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From NBC News:

RACIAL RECKONING

Wells Fargo CEO ruffles feathers with comments about diverse talent

“While it might sound like an excuse, the unfortunate reality is that there is a very limited pool of black talent to recruit from,” Scharf said in the memo.

Sept. 22, 2020, 12:02 PM PDT / Source: Reuters

Wells Fargo & Co Chief Executive Charles Scharf exasperated some Black employees in a Zoom meeting this summer when he reiterated that the bank had trouble reaching diversity goals because there was not enough qualified minority talent, two participants told Reuters.

He also made the assertion in a company-wide memo June 18 that announced diversity initiatives as nationwide protests broke out following the death of George Floyd, an unarmed African-American man, in police custody.

“While it might sound like an excuse, the unfortunate reality is that there is a very limited pool of black talent to recruit from,” Scharf said in the memo, seen by Reuters. …

But several Black senior executives across corporate America said they are frustrated by claims of a talent shortage, and called the refrain a major reason that companies have struggled to add enough racial and ethnic diversity to leadership ranks, despite stated intentions to do so.

“There is an amazing amount of Black talent out there,” said Ken Bacon, a former mortgage industry executive who is on the boards of Comcast Corp, Ally Financial Inc and Welltower Inc. “If people say they can’t find the talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

After all, nobody has been looking for black talent since 1969, at least so far as I’m informed. Let me think back on my knowledge of the history of race relations in the 20th Century: There was redlining … and then Emmett Till … and that’s about it. I’m drawing a blank on anything happening since Emmett Till. If there had been over the last 50+ years a vast national push to find, advance, hire, and promote black talent, why was I never informed of this? So I don’t think it ever happened.

… The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years and tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals. He is also requiring hiring managers to consider diverse candidates for high-paying roles that are vacant, and ensure diversity on interview teams.

Wells Fargo’s latest proxy disclosed more diversity data than those of many other companies, including that two of 12 directors at the time were Black and 1 was “Latino/Hispanic”. …

Introspection across corporate America during the Black Lives Matter movement has cast a harsh light on the lack of diversity.

In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population, according to a 2020 report from executive recruiting firm Heidrick & Struggles. New Hispanic directors were even more scarce, the study found.

Only 7.3 percent of the five highest-paid executives at financial companies in the Russell 3000 were racial or ethnic minorities, according to data from ISS ESG, an arm of the proxy-advisory firm Institutional Shareholder Services. That number has risen in recent years, yet remains far below the percentage of minority groups in the general U.S. population.

Senior corporate executives and recruiters said the notion of a shallow minority talent pool is frequently cited as a hurdle to improving diversity but probably reflects insular professional and social networks. …

Experts said one reason board rooms and C-suites lack diversity is that such jobs are often filled by people who have managed businesses, while many people of color have tended to be stuck in roles that lack a direct connection to profits.

“As women and minorities started to gain traction in corporate America, they were trapped in certain jobs companies felt comfortable placing them in, like human resources, administrative-support type functions,” said Teri McClure, former general counsel and chief human resources officer at United Parcel Service Inc, who now sits on several boards, including JetBlue Airways Corp. …

It’s almost as if companies provide pleasant sinecures for affirmative action hires who can’t really cut it in the crucial jobs.

Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.

One of the Wells Fargo employees said there simply was no lack of talent: “I can get them 10 to 15 resumes today.” (Reporting by Imani Moise, Jessica DiNapoli and Ross Kerber; Editing by Lauren Tara LaCapra, Paritosh Bansal and David Gregorio)

So there.

Seriously, if you are black and would make an excellent Wells Fargo line manager, you can probably get a job at Goldman Sachs for a lot more money. And since people who go into finance are not ascetic saints indifferent to money, smart blacks who can get a job at Goldman Sachs should get a job there. But that leaves Goldman’s discards for Wells Fargo and so forth down the line.

It’s like when The Bell Curve printed the leaked data on the SAT gap among freshmen at 26 top colleges. At Harvard, the gap wasn’t too bad, 91 points out of a 400-1600 scale, or a little under a half standard deviation. But that was because Harvard was getting a large fraction of the best blacks. At the other 25 famous colleges, the gap was more like 160 points.

In an era like this when everybody is desperate to hire more blacks, your chances of getting really solid ones are dire.

 
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  1. American 1% sticking it in the back of white men.

    • Replies: @Georgia
    @Ari Silver

    Please! Any Crackhead can be a brain surgeon if not for YT holding them back!....Science done proved this along with "Climate Change" and Mask wearing to save Granny from you murdering her from your breathing....

    The Head of Wells Fargo there needs to step aside and give a "yute" a chance....As the saying goes "A low IQ mind is a terrible thing to waste" and "We aren't just looking for a hand out we're looking to take your bank account" -- by deadly force if necessary YT....Happy early Kwanza homeys!

  2. I know a fellow at Caltech who tells me that they can’t keep capable Blacks because Stanford hires them all away.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Warthog

    If you a real playa like Cornel West, you bounce back and forth between Yale, Princeton, and Harvard, snaring a hefty raise each time, and accusing the place you just left of sub rosa racism. They should never have let you go!

    , @Hannah Katz
    @Warthog

    The talented ones are quickly recruited away. Every company is looking for the same qualities, and those rare birds with those qualities due great. However, there are not enough to go around.

    It would be like if they had affirmative action goals for track and field scholarships. Coaches would be looking for white sprinters to fill out their quotas, and every coach would be trying to recruit Matt Boling, but only one coach could sign him up. Sadly, there are not many Matt Bolings out there.

    , @Anonymous
    @Warthog

    This strikes me as an issue of not even Caltech being able to pay enough to combat California craziness. It strikes me that if I were a black science guy at the Caltech faculty level, I'd want to stay away from "woke" BS as much as I can - so Caltech would be better than Stanford, by far. So, if black dudes at Caltech are departing for Stanford ("woke central"), this suggests they are trying to remedy real financial issues.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  3. ‘…In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population…’

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a ‘director’ in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Colin Wright


    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.
     
    Bingo.

    What would most benefit actual ghetto blacks:
    -- An immigration moratorium.
    -- Serious uptick in policing and incarceration. Get rid of the a*holes.
    -- Inc. crackdown on hard drugs. With treatment available.
    -- A more sexually (and generally) conservative culture.
    -- Vouchering off public education.

    Needless to say this is the program that's on an liberal's menu.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Anonymous Jew

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Colin Wright


    We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.
     
    That's Thomas Sowell's argument for why reparations, which he opposes, would be better than Affirmative Action. AA transfers valuable slots at elite universities from marginal whites and Asians to talented-10th blacks, benefiting the talented tenth AND the elite whites who don't face competition from strivers. It heavily taxes one group to benefit two elite groups, and does nothing for poor blacks.
    , @Poirot
    @Colin Wright

    “We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds.”

    Affirmatively Furthering Privileged Mullatoes! (AFPM)

    , @Bannon
    @Colin Wright

    None of this about doing good for blacks of low station. It is first and foremost about conducting a War on Truth. It is about getting people used to the idea of not trusting their lying eyes, and removing all noticeable achievement gaps by dictatorial fiat. "Systemic racism" is indoctrinating us to the idea that there is no motive in racism -- either hire a proportionate number of blacks, or racism has occurred. At the same time, they are conducting open war on the very notions of measurable merit or achievement.

    It's all a great plan, except for the truth has a way of bubbling to the top again and again.

    I'm continually amazed as I look back on my education, and find that the greatest lesson I was ever taught was the fable of the Emperor's New Clothes. I thought it was ridiculous as a child, absurd. Now I realize that it is a miniaturized version of human history unfolding.

    Replies: @Poirot

    , @res
    @Colin Wright

    Emil's tail effects calculator is helpful for thinking about hypotheticals like that.
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects

    If you change the default population sizes to 70 blue and 13 red (the rest of the default are appropriate for respective black and white IQ distributions) a 130 threshold gives a 90x difference in representation and a 115 threshold gives a 37x difference.

    Reality is probably somewhere in between so I'd say your 2% is in the ballpark.

  4. Finally, a CEO Points Out: There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent

    If only King Dakodomou of Dahomey was this honest 400 years ago.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Reg Cæsar

    Adahoonzou was brutally honest about it, but perhaps too late to make a difference.

  5. Hmm… What are the odds that there will be a pool of black talent tapped for an upcoming opening at Wells Fargo for, say, CEO?

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Thomas

    I know a guy with some talent

    https://i.ibb.co/3WJxLCw/Screenshot-20200923-001934-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, "major " depository commercial bank in The United States. Dimon of Chase is greek and there have been Italians at Bank America, but in the evolving 5-10 largest depository institutions it was a first.

    People in the old America simply wouldnt trust their money was safe being the most obvious explanation.


    Goldman is more or less a brokerage firm with a corporate advisory unit and a minimal asset management franchise with exceptionally poor performance historically. ( fees )
    GS stock price is unchanged in 14 years. Was a bankruptcy absent the TARP bailouts from exposure to AIG. Morgan Stanley their now significantly larger rival, early in 09 sold large stake in the company to Japanese conglomerate Mitsubishi UFJ Bank and while stressed did not ultimately need the capital.

    Stan O'Neal, a black man led then Brokerage firm and I bank Merrill Lynch and more or less bankrupted the place in 08 and 09 not unlike Bear Stearns, Lehman etc.

    Replies: @Flip, @kaganovitch

  6. The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years and tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals. He is also requiring hiring managers to consider diverse candidates for high-paying roles that are vacant, and ensure diversity on interview teams.

    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Well played.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri

    Almost, it would be a clear shorting opportunity ... except that pretty much all American companies are promising the same sort of thing.

    What likely will be the case is that there is yet another "diversity" layer of fat ensconced around every American corporation. They'll be extra black "leaders", who will have extra "executive staff" or "technical advisors" making sure the trains run on time and the "leader" is making the right decision. It's called "supporting qualified diverse managers in their new roles". (The XO runs the ship.)

    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.

    ~~

    BTW, some management "guru" should write a "managing diversity" book that's actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    Watch MSNBC for a few days and you will soon learn that every company is saying the same thing. Back after Saint George Floyd's martyring MSNBC was wall to wall black people of varying intelligence. Globalhomo has gotten all of corporate America by the short and curly hairs.

    Of course, saying isn't the same as doing. I expect the implementation at, hmm, Goldman Sachs (GS) won't be quite the same as at Wells Fargo (WFC).

    Wells is already sick
    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=wfc&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

    Goldman is no prize
    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=gs&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

    This isn't going away any time soon. Black people as overhead is now pretty much the norm in businesses of any size.

  7. There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent

    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "Vote for me! I am one of you!"

    "Hey, why is that white man segregating himself atop the tallest chair around here? It's like he doesn't want one of us to touch him."

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=c3po+endor+chair&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/z1hkYhDUS7HT74VMDs7iF7YIw_4/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/77d9e95557d0cf29_152276756_10/i/Prince-William-carried-elevated-chair-Tuvalu.jpg

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/E7hxPe7aekIOFnYScTV_I1pUzLY/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/f92125184a52946b_152276759_10/i/Kate-Middleton-carried-elevated-chair-upon-arrived.jpg

    How does this make Meghan Markle feel?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Escher

    , @Bill
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Corn Pop stylin' in the blue goggles.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am the great and mighty Oz!

  8. In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population

    I had no idea of the degree of affirmative action on the F500 boardroom level. Astonishing!

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    I had no idea of the degree of affirmative action on the F500 boardroom level. Astonishing!
     
    Agree.

    I wonder how many of these AA execs. go on to make money for the company.
    , @Bannon
    @Anonymous


    In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population
     
    Director appointments are the easiest to gerrymander. Directors don't actually have to do anything, they can just blend in. And oftentimes management is trying to do a snow-job on the Board anyway.
  9. anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    If there had been over the last 50+ years a vast national push to find, advance, hire, and promote black talent, why was I never informed of this?

    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don’t have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites. My sense is that outside of government and liberal orgs (e.g. NYT) there’s not that much affirmative action in higher up ranks or prestige jobs.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @anonymous


    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don’t have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites.
     
    I'd have to search, but I vaguely recall some data that showed they made more money: being a relatively scarce commodity pushed them into higher paying tiers.
    , @Bill
    @anonymous

    The _Bell Curve_ found income was about the same after controlling for IQ among races. That doesn't exactly answer your question, though.

    , @Elli
    @anonymous

    I read one study, can't remember authors, that black men earned more than white men with the same IQ. They might have chosen more lucrative careers, or they might have benefitted from the corporate desire for black representation.

  10. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    Charlie Scharf’s life is about to get a lot more interesting. I googled his name and several news items about this came up across the top of the screen with his picture on every one. As poor Charlie is just an ol’ gentile, he can expect pretty much zilch media sympathy of any kind.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Anon

    Perhaps. But since most people named Scharf in and near our major media centers are in fact Members of the Tribe, he just might manage to skate through this. Not that I'm putting money on it, mind you.

  11. “It’s almost as if companies provide pleasant sinecures for affirmative action hires who can’t really cut it in the crucial jobs.”

    Yes! I knew some of those guys. The ones I knew studiously imitated white guys who were barely able to make it in a white collar job. Every day, you wear a conservative suit and tie, and you act like a poor relation who’s been invited to brunch at the country club, i.e., best behavior always, speak only when spoken to.

    Now that I think about it, it’s surprising how few black guys could hold that sort of act together long enough to keep a job like that for 25 years, in spite of the excellent pay and benefits.

  12. Wells Fargo should hire some Nigerians that work from home.

    • Replies: @SMK
    @Yancey Ward

    I-S guess the only solution is to import more "talent" from sub-Saharan Africa, especially Nigerians who, according to Tucker Carlson, earn more money on average than white Americans, which will enrich and improve the quality of life in both the US and sub-Saharan Africa.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Yancey Ward


    Wells Fargo should hire some Nigerians that work from home.
     
    They probably already do. Knowingly, or otherwise.

    How the US caught flashy Nigerian Instagrammers 'with $40m'

    They are accused of impersonating legitimate employees of various US companies in "business email compromise" (BEC) schemes and tricking the recipients into wiring millions of dollars into their own accounts...

    In one case, a foreign financial institution allegedly lost $14.7m in a cyber-heist where the money ended up in hushpuppi's bank accounts in multiple countries.
    The affidavit also alleged that he was involved in a scheme to steal $124m from an unnamed English Premier League team.
     

    https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/EF49/production/_113275216_index.jpg
  13. “There is an amazing amount of (black) talent out there . . . ”

    The amount of black talent certainly is amazingly small, especially to the segment of the population who don’t live in that part of the world called reality. The world’s population of black non-talent is ever burgeoning.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @duncsbaby

    Particularly as these places evolve from Sales Trading, good looking affable men to largely tech hires.

    GS aspirants have been lamenting for years that the new class they announce annually has shifted from a home for the tribe to nearly half east Asian hires. ( the top 4 execs remain jews though that has not always been the case. Football players like Paulson Corzine etc in recent memory )

  14. At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.

    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
    • LOL: Lot
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @CCZ

    CCZ, why did you bring up that boring local story about the self-made company CEO in Camden who is trying as hard as he can, yet struggling to find and retain competent black workers? The NBC story in the OP was about Wells Fargo, and never mentioned Holtec. That means there is no relevance. None.

    I definitely certainly don’t want to think about how the two stories might be connected. I trust the NBC News reporters and editors, if there was anything interesting, they would have noticed and pointed it out.

    Your comment was off topic, and bad. Definitely. Certainly.

    Replies: @Tim Smith

    , @AnotherDad
    @CCZ

    Whose bright idea was it to have Holtec build nuclear reactor parts with the Camden "labor" force?

    Shoot, if he'd hired me as a consultant, i could have told him "don't build a factory in Camden" and saved him millions.

    Where's my McKinsey partnership?

    , @jim jones
    @CCZ

    The Protestant work ethic is actually pretty rare, most cultures have a "manana" attitude to life

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @notsaying
    @CCZ

    The solution to these labor problems was at the end of the article: not to have labor. We are going to lose so many jobs that will not be replaced with new ones. How this country, how the world will function I do not know.

    "We’re trying to automate a lot of processes, so it doesn’t rely on human skill, as it has in the past,” Singh said. “Automation is definitely modifying worker needs.

    “The high-skilled work that required people to learn and spend tens of thousands of hours to get good, that work can be done by machines. Which is the good news — because we don’t have such workers.

    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”

    Replies: @bomag

    , @The King is a Fink
    @CCZ

    The locals wanted a job, not work. There is a difference.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @El Dato
    @CCZ


    Holtec International is a supplier of equipment and systems for the energy industry founded in Mount Laurel, New Jersey and based in Jupiter, Florida, United States. It specializes in the design and manufacture of parts for nuclear reactors.
     
    I guess the upgrade of the US Strategic Nuclear Arsenal to Super-Duper Eurasian Continent Instakill Capabilities will meet some trouble.

    "They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day."
     
    Do I feel the electric atmosphere of a gathering CANCELING?

    https://i.postimg.cc/QMpypp5f/the-canceling.jpg

    Talking of Canceling, from racial reckoning to lactose-related reckoning:

    Costco CANCELS Palmetto Cheese after foodmaker's owner criticizes Black Lives Matter on Facebook, triggers woke brigade boycott

    Don't apologize, don't ....

    "I spent the last 10 days listening and learning," Henry said. "The conversations I have had with friends, our staff, the community and faith-based leaders provided me with a deeper understanding of racial inequality and the importance of diversity sensitivity."
     
    It's over.

    Henry added that his family and company will donate $100,000 in the first year of a new foundation set up to improve race relations, and Palmetto Cheese will rebrand its product "to be more sensitive to cultural diversity." In addition to having a picture of a black woman, the current packaging refers to Palmetto Cheese as "the pimento cheese with soul."
     
    Cheese should not be "diverse" ... Blacks have lactose intolerance, why is there even "a picture of a black woman" on the box? There should be a picture of a white trans woman on a mall scooter with the slogan "the pimento cheese with body".
    , @MarkinLA
    @CCZ

    My Dad was a foreman at a steel fabrication company in south central LA. He told me that the mostly black crew would ask him why they have to work 5 days a week when they could support themselves on 4 days pay. No concept of anything beyond their immediate needs.

  15. including that two of 12 directors at the time were Black

    That would be 17%, which is higher than 13%. So blacks are overrepresented. But actually, lack of diversity = any white people

    • Replies: @guest
    @Kent Nationalist

    Diversity = no white people, ideally.

    If blacks made up 100% of whatever’s under consideration, a perfectly reasonable answer would be: “Yes, but white people still have jobs somewhere else. And that is Not Okay.”

  16. Surely Mr. Sharf cannot be naive enough to think that woman and POC activists are still interested in equality of opportunity. They are looking for modern equality, which is equality of outcome at any cost. If equal opportunity yields equal outcomes, that’s just peachy, American-dream and all that, but if it doesn’t, then you just plug people in to get equal results.

    What I don’t know is if he is being deliberately ingenuous and trying to draw them out into baldly stating their real objectives. If he is in fact trolling, then he is a brave man, or one ready for retirement. He should already know what he is expected to do: If the list of the 12 very best candidates for the board does not include 7 ticks of the female box and 5 ticks of the non-White box , then he is supposed to go out, find the 7 best women and 5 best people of color and plunk them into their seats, even if better candidates get passed over.
    That was the message of that unnamed employee with the pile of resumes. “Here’s the resumes, pick’em out”.

  17. The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years…

    “If people say they can’t find the talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

    This is akin to Stalin or Mao or Kim Il-Sung visiting a factory and opining, “What? Only 15% production increase from last year? Comrades, comrades, comrades! This kind of a mediocre number tells me that you are not trying hard enough or may even be actively undermining the effort to increase production in a fit of counter-revolutionary treason. Next year, you must increase production by 50% or will, along with your families, have to undergo re-education!”

    • Agree: kaganovitch, Travis
  18. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Stebbing Heuer, @TelfoedJohn, @Bill, @Ben tillman

    “Vote for me! I am one of you!”

    “Hey, why is that white man segregating himself atop the tallest chair around here? It’s like he doesn’t want one of us to touch him.”

  19. I’ve mentioned this analogy before, but this is exactly like when Don Fanucci forced Mr. Abbandando to give Vito’s job to his incompetent nephew, and we all know what happened after that. The only reason that this has been tolerated as long as it has is because the economy is so distorted and corporations and universities are so flush with cash that it makes more sense to keep quiet about the crime of warehousing blacks rather than to jeopardize one’s own fragile position within the social structure wherein almost all the remaining good jobs are sinecures or at least hybrid sinecures, and even most middle class white people are holding made-up jobs and lack any real talent commensurate with their income levels; but this is all going to change once those “good jobs” are in short supply and white people start fighting to get them for their own incompetent children rather than for their incompetent black mascots. It is all one faction of incompetents versus another; we need not nurture the forlorn hope that “merit” will attain its rightful place until we return to a hard money system.

    I do not believe that race itself is a social construct, but racial quotas are entirely social constructs and the whole wretched system that supports them is downstream from neoliberal economics.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Intelligent Dasein


    I do not believe that race itself is a social construct, but racial quotas are entirely social constructs
     
    Thanks, thats a great line, I'll be using it elsewhere.
  20. @Thomas
    Hmm... What are the odds that there will be a pool of black talent tapped for an upcoming opening at Wells Fargo for, say, CEO?

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous

    I know a guy with some talent

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    “Your lordship, I have the just the man to run your streets. May I present your Street Czar, named Dre, sire?”

  21. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    From the Claremont Independent, Heather Mac Donald’s favorite college student newspaper:

    Pitzer BSU [Black Student Union] Address Asks For Changes In Hiring, Admissions, And More

    https://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-bsu-address-asks-for-changes-in-hiring-admissions-and-more/

    The list of demands “call[s] for active recruitment of Black faculty and staff,” the “aggressive recruitment of Black students,” …

    “In order for Black students to feel more at home at Pitzer, we are calling for aggressive recruitment of Black students to be initiated immediately at Pitzer College. There should be proportional representation of minority students for the 2021-22 academic year and every year following. These classes should include a proportional number of Black students, Latinx students, Asian students, and other minority group members….”

    Unfortunately, although Pitzer is in the top ten or twenty in various liberal arts rankings, it’s not an Ivy League and not as well known, so they offer blacks the equivalent academic mismatch of an Ivy, but without the clear signalling that graduating from an Ivy offers.

    The WE-DEMANDers seem to know their demands are “problematic,” but they don’t recognize the turtles-all-the-way-down situation in its entirety:

    The Black Students at Pitzer College have heard many times that Pitzer does not receive many Black applicants …

    Their proposed solutions:

    — Partner with scholarship programs that identify and send blacks to college (this doesn’t recognize that these scholarship programs themselves are in demand from colleges), and at great expense send recruiting teams to hundreds of ghetto high schools filled with knucklehead blacks and try to discover a black diamond in the rough somewhere … and hope he comes to Pitzer.

    — Money, money. Give black studends money, pay for everything for every black students. This is the classic “Free stuff from white people” solution, but again, everyone else is doing it.

    — Never ever give black students bad grades or expel them or discipline them or fail to advance them. Classify everything that a black student does or does not do and negatively impacts him as a mental health problem caused by racism.

    — Turn Pitzer into a HBCU, in effect, by making everything in the environment pleasing to blacks (who don’t have great academic records, so who don’t appreciate simple, rigorous academics).

    I wonder what their proposed solution is for this: “White students tend to dominate the classroom and Black students and other students of color are often spoken over or remain silent. This is an example of the daily microaggressions and racist practices that take place in the classroom.” Somehow I think that just telling white students to shut up is not going to suddenly cause black students to erupt with perspicacious loquaciousness. I’m sure the solution will involve hiring more black administrators, mandatory training and struggle sessions, replacement of white faculty, and so on … and then the situation will still not have changed.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kas6Kcb4dHztAgH5QK-iKCYHHZpeq0CHUPVTiqxuKqM/mobilebasic

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    I wonder what their proposed solution is for this: “White students tend to dominate the classroom and Black students and other students of color are often spoken over or remain silent

    Bring enough urban black diamonds in the rough to Pitzer and that problem will solve itself. Then we can read a different document moaning about "white flight from Pitzer".

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    , @Lurker
    @Anon

    The Pitz.

  22. @Anon
    Charlie Scharf's life is about to get a lot more interesting. I googled his name and several news items about this came up across the top of the screen with his picture on every one. As poor Charlie is just an ol' gentile, he can expect pretty much zilch media sympathy of any kind.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Perhaps. But since most people named Scharf in and near our major media centers are in fact Members of the Tribe, he just might manage to skate through this. Not that I’m putting money on it, mind you.

  23. @Thomas
    Hmm... What are the odds that there will be a pool of black talent tapped for an upcoming opening at Wells Fargo for, say, CEO?

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • LOL: Ponce Faggy, Some Guy
    • Replies: @Aardvark
    @Father O'Hara

    IIRC, when that was talked about in past years, then all sorts of excuses emerged, the principal one being "we ain't got no access to capital".
    So your proposal is still a good one and let's have Wells Fargo back the investment to start this amazing company.

    , @Gordo
    @Father O'Hara


    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?
     
    Or a country?
    , @Neuday
    @Father O'Hara


    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?
     
    Oh they most certainly would, except we evil white people wouldn't let them. They have the human resources but lack the capital because the U.S. Government won't allow business loans to Blacks because redlining.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Father O'Hara

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Yo, the Man keeping them down. Do you have an alternate theory?

    , @Bill Jones
    @Father O'Hara

    Why not go the whole hog and dispense with the toxic masculinity ? Black women only!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Father O'Hara


    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?
     
    Spot on Father O'Hara--that's the question not to be asked.

    Actual oppression is ... oppression. You make people do stuff for you--slavery, serfdom--or worse take there stuff and/or kill them

    The core lie at the heart of minoritarianism is that people are somehow "oppressed" if you don't give them your stuff. Don't let them into Harvard, don't let them into your country club, don't let them into your neighborhood, or your nation ... don't give them a job in your C-suite ... oppression, oppression, oppression.

    The truth is that while individual lives may flop this way or that ... capable people will make something of themselves, will build their own stuff. You saw this with American Catholics. They didn't like X, Y, Z of American public education and rather than whining about Harvard ... went out and built their own Catholic schools and universities. Even the Irish--whose society had collapsed under famine and were in terrible shape when they got here--got their act together--beatings supplied by various priests and brothers and nuns--and prospered.

    If there is really a surfeit of black talent that is underemployed because of discrimination, then the companies that do not discriminate and use that black talent in abundance will have a competitive advantage and surge ahead. And black run companies should be springing up--making use of underused/underpriced black talent--going great guns. (Same principle applies to all the whining about women in STEM. Ok, there are plenty of female business execs. Where are these go-getter women tech companies.)

    The final tell, if a people are good quality--intelligent, conscientious, cooperative--then that people's neighborhoods and nations will be decent, pleasant places. Other people won't be running to get away from them.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Achmed E. Newman

  24. Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.

    I’m guessing that she doesn’t have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Whites have an average IQ of around 100. With an standard deviation of 15, that give about 2% with an IQ of 130 — MENSA level — or above.

    American blacks have an average IQ of about 85. With a standard deviation of 15 (close enough) about 0.1% with an IQ of 130 or above.

    So you’d require a recruiting pool of 20 times as many American blacks as whites to find the same sized IQ cohort.

    It’s even worse in South Africa, where black IQ averages about 70.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @NickG


    I’m guessing that she doesn’t have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.
     
    Anecdotal boardroom observation:

    While being whitey CEO is generally a fake job involving polyfilling ignorance and disinterest in what's really going on with braggadocio and loud proclamations couched as "strategic decisions", the females on the table are semi-absent and thirsting after the Black Body in the room - who is playing wise African Village King who has his trade under control (a good act which is to his advantage).
    , @AndrewR
    @NickG

    I'm not sure why one would expect to find any engineers on the boards of directors of any corporations not involved in engineering.

    I also don't really get your fixation on 130. I think once you get above 120 or so, you get rapidly diminishing marginal returns on increasing IQ. Probably negative marginal returns in most fields. Things like conscientiousness, work ethic, charisma, etc are probably much more important to career success and many other things once you get above 120ish.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @A British Indian

    , @Vinnie O
    @NickG

    The standard deviation for the Negro IQ curve is 10 points, not 15. That is, it's not only shifted LEFT, it's significantly narrower. And when you look at the right hand tail of the curve, there's simply NOTHING out there by the time you get to 140. See ANYTHING by Charles Murray.

    , @nokangaroos
    @NickG

    [apart from being somewhat polymodal, like the White]
    the black distribution is narrower, and you forgot one division (population).

    Given a slightly more reasonable cutoff of IQ > 115 (= university material) the cohort is expected to be ~2-3 per mil black. So if we assume RBG´s sole black clerk to have been a quadroon she was actually pretty (QUITE!!! I meant to say quite!) colorblind :P

    And rest assured they earn more.

    "As women and minorities started to gain traction in corporate America, they were trapped in certain jobs companies felt comfortable placing them in, []"

    translate:

    "Yes we are the Mafia Don´s dimwit nephews, we don´t care who knows it, but we´re no longer content getting paid, we demand a piece of the glam an decision-making an sheet.
    Y´all think we stoopid or what?"

    Abandon all hope :D

  25. It’s almost as if the stuff Steve talks about here has real-life consequences.

  26. Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a “Briefings” section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to … Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist’s academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    ‘Wakanda Doesn’t Have Suburbs’: How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra “Gloom is My Beat” Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title ‘Wakanda Doesn’t Have Suburbs’ is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Voltarde

    Wakanda was cooked up by two Jewish guys, then turned into a hit movie by a movie studio largely managed by Jewish guys.

    Blacks can't even cook up their own imaginary utopia, and they think they should be running a bank?

    , @El Dato
    @Voltarde

    Yeah I wondered about those Wakanda pictures in the press. How do they manage to have urban infrastructure without any industrial support and suburbs? It's like a exoplanet colony built while there is a 10km-long autofactory mothership still in orbit, providing everything. Are Wakandans really secretly ... Aliens?

    Next in Time as reported by Nature: What Wakanda can tell us about the Fermi paradox.

    , @guest
    @Voltarde

    “This fictional nation that hides itself from the rest of the world with a deadly cloaking dome and is ruled by a king who sits his throne after winning a trial by combat has exceptional population density!”

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Voltarde

    Going by the title, I would say the author of the Nature article has no experience in a natural environment. Drought, disease, and flooding to name a few natural things that make human life unpleasant.

    , @JosephB
    @Voltarde


    A recent example includes a reference to … Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist’s academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.
     
    Just a minor nitpick: very very few young scientists who have already made it to tenure track (Assistant Professor) have a Science or Nature publication. Getting one such publication pre-tenure would be a near-automatic pass on the tenure case. Possibly a Science/Nature publication could be factor for getting promoted from Associate Professor (with tenure) to Full Professor, but it's usually someone who has made it. Grad students and post docs just don't have the background to write such articles.
  27. How many of those black managers who are complaining don’t actually have talent or would undermine those with talent?

  28. This article mirrors the excuses people make for bringing in more immigrants to take American jobs. We all know that these companies will say anything to get more immigrants who will work harder for less.

    Maybe there’s a lot of underused racially diverse talent out there, maybe there’s not. I just don’t know

    I do know that the people who run things like running things and want to make sure their children will run things. Few of these white people in charge come from poor or working class families; I don’t think many are from middle class homes anymore either. Why is that and what has to happen to change this? I would certainly like to see more white diversity in management and leadership jobs.

    • Replies: @SkylertheWeird
    @notsaying

    I've always thought big companies like Wells Fargo were hiring East Asians to game the Diversity Goals. After all Little Black Sambo was an Indian not an African.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux

  29. @Warthog
    I know a fellow at Caltech who tells me that they can't keep capable Blacks because Stanford hires them all away.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Hannah Katz, @Anonymous

    If you a real playa like Cornel West, you bounce back and forth between Yale, Princeton, and Harvard, snaring a hefty raise each time, and accusing the place you just left of sub rosa racism. They should never have let you go!

  30. So, basically, he admitted what John Derbyshire said and got cancelled for: there’s a very limited number of Talented Tenthers who can do the high-level jobs in our culture.

    Just as it took 70 years for the Soviet Union to admit communism was a bad idea, its taking the West an awful long time to admit that race is not a social construct and racial differences are real and significant.

    Also, as Cernovich asked, how many hours until this guy is fired or makes a slobbering apology/donation to Al Sharpton?

  31. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, there’s a pointless riot alert in effect, as Los Angeles’ own Dijon Kizzee’s extended family held a press conference to attempt to somehow monetize their asshole relative’s death. Odd his father, not even his mother chose to attend the browbeating of overtaxed L.A. police.

    Dijon pulled a gun out after running, and then swinging on officers. The poor fellow was apparently unprepared to be questioned, since a restraining order had been issued against him, forbidding him to have a firearm under any circumstances.

    The relatives seem to be concerned that the Dijon was shot too many times, apparently demasculating him.

    He was a human being who was beating on a police officer, and pulled a weapon on them, for the love of Pete! Restraint was in order, his bizarre wig-abusing aunt contends!

    The vid of the shooting:

    • LOL: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Felon resists arrest and pulls illegal gun on cops. Family wants justice!

    Sounds predictably crazy, right? But consider: ambulance-chasing lawyers have descended on this family telling them that if they just play their cards right, they can get a Breonna-size payout.


    Well, we know they can't, but can you blame them for doing what the lawyers suggest? They might at least get a million or two. Not to mention they can wrap themselves in a media-supported mantle of victimization. Sure beats saying: 'Well that Mr Mustard of ours, he had it coming.'

  32. Since when has being dumb, incompetent & uncivil been an impediment to diversity sinecures?

  33. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    CCZ, why did you bring up that boring local story about the self-made company CEO in Camden who is trying as hard as he can, yet struggling to find and retain competent black workers? The NBC story in the OP was about Wells Fargo, and never mentioned Holtec. That means there is no relevance. None.

    I definitely certainly don’t want to think about how the two stories might be connected. I trust the NBC News reporters and editors, if there was anything interesting, they would have noticed and pointed it out.

    Your comment was off topic, and bad. Definitely. Certainly.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer, bomag
    • Replies: @Tim Smith
    @ic1000

    self-made company CEO in Camden

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec is not a self-made company CEO. Indians get every bit as much affirmative action as blacks, hispanics and everyone else who is not a heterosexual white man does. Remember the largest group of affirmative action recipients is white women.

    I also feel very safe in guessing that the Holtec factory in Camden was paid for by some combination of federal, state and local funds. Why else would they locate in Camden? Even in "nice" cities and suburbs corporations expect the taxpayers to subsidize them. People rightfully criticize taxpayers funding sports stadiums but will never criticize taxpayers funding non-sports corporations.

  34. @Colin Wright
    '...In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population...'

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a 'director' in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It's silly, anyway. We're largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TomSchmidt, @Poirot, @Bannon, @res

    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.

    Bingo.

    What would most benefit actual ghetto blacks:
    — An immigration moratorium.
    — Serious uptick in policing and incarceration. Get rid of the a*holes.
    — Inc. crackdown on hard drugs. With treatment available.
    — A more sexually (and generally) conservative culture.
    — Vouchering off public education.

    Needless to say this is the program that’s on an liberal’s menu.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It'd be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    Replies: @Elli, @DCThrowback, @Urufufu, @tyrone

    , @guest
    @AnotherDad

    Basically, they need everything as it was before the civil rights movement. Here’s a slogan:

    “Segregation Forever! Make Black Beautiful Again!”

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @AnotherDad

    #1 would be to stop teaching them to resent and blame Whites for everything, which in turn would help with their behavioral issues that affect every aspect of their lives. An 85 IQ doesn’t necessarily lead people - of all races - to thuggery.

    Replies: @Escher

  35. @Voltarde
    Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a "Briefings" section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to ... Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist's academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs': How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title 'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs' is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato, @guest, @Redneck farmer, @JosephB

    Wakanda was cooked up by two Jewish guys, then turned into a hit movie by a movie studio largely managed by Jewish guys.

    Blacks can’t even cook up their own imaginary utopia, and they think they should be running a bank?

  36. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    Whose bright idea was it to have Holtec build nuclear reactor parts with the Camden “labor” force?

    Shoot, if he’d hired me as a consultant, i could have told him “don’t build a factory in Camden” and saved him millions.

    Where’s my McKinsey partnership?

  37. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    The Protestant work ethic is actually pretty rare, most cultures have a “manana” attitude to life

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @jim jones

    "I've got no use for a man who's never been snowed upon."

    "Give me Swedes, snuff and whiskey, and I'll build a railroad through hell."

    19th Century railroad tycoon James J. Hill

  38. “ At Harvard, the gap wasn’t too bad, 91 points out of a 400-1600 scale”

    Steve you cannot compare racial groups on tests well when one of the groups is disproportionately hit by a low ceiling.

    This has in other contexts led to underestimates of Ashkenazi IQ, because a quickie IQ test like the General Social Survey’s with a 130 ceiling will result in a much larger share of the AJs getting depressed scores.

    In the case of Harvard and SATs, the 75th percentiles are 780V and 800M. A giant share of the whites and asians would get 810 or more on an SAT with a higher ceiling, but virtually no NAM would.

    Thus, Harvard’s low B-W gap in SAT cannot be taken as evidence of a low B-W IQ gap. Indeed, the opposite is more likely, as the B-W becomes gigantic at the extreme right tail.

  39. @AnotherDad
    @Colin Wright


    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.
     
    Bingo.

    What would most benefit actual ghetto blacks:
    -- An immigration moratorium.
    -- Serious uptick in policing and incarceration. Get rid of the a*holes.
    -- Inc. crackdown on hard drugs. With treatment available.
    -- A more sexually (and generally) conservative culture.
    -- Vouchering off public education.

    Needless to say this is the program that's on an liberal's menu.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Anonymous Jew

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It’d be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    • Replies: @Elli
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You never heard of juke joints?

    , @DCThrowback
    @JohnnyWalker123

    ***religion

    , @Urufufu
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Finally someone else notices that baubles and trinkets are the downfall of blacks. They don’t have the IQ to keep these things in check or perspective. You wouldn’t give a cell phone or a gun to a monkey. The same rule applies with blacks.

    , @tyrone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So what ,are we going to have to start locking the chicken house?

  40. Good news, guys.

    Thanks to Michael Bloomberg, I can vote in 2020!

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If I know you, you're gonna write in Ghislaine Maxwell for President.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @jsm
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Gee, I am so GLAD we let in his grandparents!

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    There’s a not insignificant anti-Semitic culture enjoyed by blacks in prison. Black Muslims, many who have converted while in prison, we can take for granted. Bloomberg very likely may be fueling a pro-Trump tsunami in Florida.

    I wouldn’t pay any mind to this, aside for its unintentional comedic value. Bloomberg is an administrator. He’s not a leader, he’s not creative, and he certainly has a remedial understanding of how common people see their world. He has no insight to what motivates them, much less a grasp of why he disgusts them.

    That’s why Trump handed him his ass on a regular basis.

  41. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    The solution to these labor problems was at the end of the article: not to have labor. We are going to lose so many jobs that will not be replaced with new ones. How this country, how the world will function I do not know.

    “We’re trying to automate a lot of processes, so it doesn’t rely on human skill, as it has in the past,” Singh said. “Automation is definitely modifying worker needs.

    “The high-skilled work that required people to learn and spend tens of thousands of hours to get good, that work can be done by machines. Which is the good news — because we don’t have such workers.

    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”

    • Replies: @bomag
    @notsaying


    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”
     
    This calculation has been made nationwide: cheaper to expand the welfare state than try to cram negative utility people into a job. Works as long as there are wealth generating entities casting off enough money to fund it all.

    Replies: @notsaying

  42. @NickG

    Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.
     
    I'm guessing that she doesn't have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Whites have an average IQ of around 100. With an standard deviation of 15, that give about 2% with an IQ of 130 — MENSA level — or above.

    American blacks have an average IQ of about 85. With a standard deviation of 15 (close enough) about 0.1% with an IQ of 130 or above.

    So you'd require a recruiting pool of 20 times as many American blacks as whites to find the same sized IQ cohort.

    It's even worse in South Africa, where black IQ averages about 70.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Vinnie O, @nokangaroos

    I’m guessing that she doesn’t have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Anecdotal boardroom observation:

    While being whitey CEO is generally a fake job involving polyfilling ignorance and disinterest in what’s really going on with braggadocio and loud proclamations couched as “strategic decisions”, the females on the table are semi-absent and thirsting after the Black Body in the room – who is playing wise African Village King who has his trade under control (a good act which is to his advantage).

  43. @Kent Nationalist

    including that two of 12 directors at the time were Black
     
    That would be 17%, which is higher than 13%. So blacks are overrepresented. But actually, lack of diversity = any white people

    Replies: @guest

    Diversity = no white people, ideally.

    If blacks made up 100% of whatever’s under consideration, a perfectly reasonable answer would be: “Yes, but white people still have jobs somewhere else. And that is Not Okay.”

  44. @Voltarde
    Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a "Briefings" section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to ... Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist's academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs': How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title 'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs' is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato, @guest, @Redneck farmer, @JosephB

    Yeah I wondered about those Wakanda pictures in the press. How do they manage to have urban infrastructure without any industrial support and suburbs? It’s like a exoplanet colony built while there is a 10km-long autofactory mothership still in orbit, providing everything. Are Wakandans really secretly … Aliens?

    Next in Time as reported by Nature: What Wakanda can tell us about the Fermi paradox.

  45. @Voltarde
    Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a "Briefings" section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to ... Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist's academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs': How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title 'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs' is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato, @guest, @Redneck farmer, @JosephB

    “This fictional nation that hides itself from the rest of the world with a deadly cloaking dome and is ruled by a king who sits his throne after winning a trial by combat has exceptional population density!”

  46. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    The locals wanted a job, not work. There is a difference.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @The King is a Fink

    They actually just wanted to "get paid, yo."

  47. @AnotherDad
    @Colin Wright


    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.
     
    Bingo.

    What would most benefit actual ghetto blacks:
    -- An immigration moratorium.
    -- Serious uptick in policing and incarceration. Get rid of the a*holes.
    -- Inc. crackdown on hard drugs. With treatment available.
    -- A more sexually (and generally) conservative culture.
    -- Vouchering off public education.

    Needless to say this is the program that's on an liberal's menu.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Anonymous Jew

    Basically, they need everything as it was before the civil rights movement. Here’s a slogan:

    “Segregation Forever! Make Black Beautiful Again!”

  48. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    Holtec International is a supplier of equipment and systems for the energy industry founded in Mount Laurel, New Jersey and based in Jupiter, Florida, United States. It specializes in the design and manufacture of parts for nuclear reactors.

    I guess the upgrade of the US Strategic Nuclear Arsenal to Super-Duper Eurasian Continent Instakill Capabilities will meet some trouble.

    “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day.”

    Do I feel the electric atmosphere of a gathering CANCELING?

    Talking of Canceling, from racial reckoning to lactose-related reckoning:

    Costco CANCELS Palmetto Cheese after foodmaker’s owner criticizes Black Lives Matter on Facebook, triggers woke brigade boycott

    Don’t apologize, don’t ….

    “I spent the last 10 days listening and learning,” Henry said. “The conversations I have had with friends, our staff, the community and faith-based leaders provided me with a deeper understanding of racial inequality and the importance of diversity sensitivity.”

    It’s over.

    Henry added that his family and company will donate $100,000 in the first year of a new foundation set up to improve race relations, and Palmetto Cheese will rebrand its product “to be more sensitive to cultural diversity.” In addition to having a picture of a black woman, the current packaging refers to Palmetto Cheese as “the pimento cheese with soul.”

    Cheese should not be “diverse” … Blacks have lactose intolerance, why is there even “a picture of a black woman” on the box? There should be a picture of a white trans woman on a mall scooter with the slogan “the pimento cheese with body”.

  49. @Voltarde
    Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a "Briefings" section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to ... Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist's academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs': How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title 'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs' is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato, @guest, @Redneck farmer, @JosephB

    Going by the title, I would say the author of the Nature article has no experience in a natural environment. Drought, disease, and flooding to name a few natural things that make human life unpleasant.

  50. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Stebbing Heuer, @TelfoedJohn, @Bill, @Ben tillman

  51. Picking the eyes of the black diamond mines.

  52. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Stebbing Heuer, @TelfoedJohn, @Bill, @Ben tillman


    How does this make Meghan Markle feel?

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @TelfoedJohn

    Idk but Meghan is making republicanism look better than ever. Did Harry blackmail his family into accepting her? The queen, Charles and William were certainly under no obligation to accept her.

    , @Escher
    @TelfoedJohn

    White man’s burden reversed.

  53. In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population, according to a 2020 report from executive recruiting firm Heidrick & Struggles. New Hispanic directors were even more scarce, the study found.

    I am skeptical of so-called black talent.

    A study on how black CEOs (revenues, net income, share price and brand recognition) and board members (corporate governance) perform when given the chance would be interesting.

    The picture looks dismal if you consider people like Stanley O’Neal who as pointed out by someone above is really mixed race. He left Merrill Lynch in shambles yet was paid millions in severance. Under his watch the company became exposed to a crisis that was partly caused by another black CEO Franklin Raines.

    More recently ex-McDonald’s head Steve Easterbrook has been in the news over an affair with a junior. However, the media has focused less on why he was hired, namely the previous black CEO proved incompetent. Easterbrook turned things round.

    Across the pond Ivorian Tidjane Thiam resigned in February as boss of Credit Suisse of Switzerland over a scandal.

    • Agree: unit472
  54. @Anonymous

    In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population
     
    I had no idea of the degree of affirmative action on the F500 boardroom level. Astonishing!

    Replies: @bomag, @Bannon

    I had no idea of the degree of affirmative action on the F500 boardroom level. Astonishing!

    Agree.

    I wonder how many of these AA execs. go on to make money for the company.

  55. @anonymous

    If there had been over the last 50+ years a vast national push to find, advance, hire, and promote black talent, why was I never informed of this?
     
    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don't have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites. My sense is that outside of government and liberal orgs (e.g. NYT) there's not that much affirmative action in higher up ranks or prestige jobs.

    Replies: @bomag, @Bill, @Elli

    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don’t have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites.

    I’d have to search, but I vaguely recall some data that showed they made more money: being a relatively scarce commodity pushed them into higher paying tiers.

  56. 85 average IQ.
    Low VQ.
    Weak work ethic.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix


    85 average IQ.
    Low VQ.
    Weak work ethic.
     
    I think you're talking about "executive function." The ability to create, organize, and complete tasks. It's related to conscientiousness, and the unpleasant fact is, black culture is antithetical to that important attribute for leadership success in corporate life.

    Witness just about every black person who has won lotto, or experience a windfall of cash. Sans raw executive function, or a competent professional to hand their responsibilities off to, they will lose their winnings, and they will wind up miserable. MC Hammer is a textbook case.

    It's a substantial reason black home ownership is at a low level compared to other races. Owning a house is almost like running a small business. There are things you must do in a timely fashion, or you will lose your house.

    Black folks, without government help, lose their houses... a lot.
  57. @notsaying
    @CCZ

    The solution to these labor problems was at the end of the article: not to have labor. We are going to lose so many jobs that will not be replaced with new ones. How this country, how the world will function I do not know.

    "We’re trying to automate a lot of processes, so it doesn’t rely on human skill, as it has in the past,” Singh said. “Automation is definitely modifying worker needs.

    “The high-skilled work that required people to learn and spend tens of thousands of hours to get good, that work can be done by machines. Which is the good news — because we don’t have such workers.

    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”

    Replies: @bomag

    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”

    This calculation has been made nationwide: cheaper to expand the welfare state than try to cram negative utility people into a job. Works as long as there are wealth generating entities casting off enough money to fund it all.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @bomag

    But a lot of good workers will be laid off too as automation continues. There will not be enough jobs for all the competent people. The number of unemployed will be beyond what you and I could ever imagine. Who is going to pay for all these people? Will they be content on the sidelines? What about the resentment of those still working?

    Many challenges lie ahead. I am very concerned.

  58. I watch NASA TV ( the place is crawling with AA hires today perhaps a major reason they are relying on the private sector to do the real engineering work) because of their retrospective look at the the space program.

    Let’s look at how they did recruiting. Back in 1945 American General Bruce Maderis wanted to find the best talent for a US rocket program. He got permission to bring 100 German experts from their V-2 program. Among them Werner Von Braun, SS officer Kurt Debus and General Walter Dornburger.
    (You have to overlook somethings if you want the best ) Von Braun went on to head the Army missile center in Huntsville, Alabama. Debus headed the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral and Dornberger the X-15 and Dyna-Soar program that became the Space Shuttle.

    Back then the motto of our elites might have been ‘When things get serious you have to get the best” be it a Robert Oppenheimer or a Kurt Debus even if they have some ‘issues’. Today it has become Jean Claude Juncker’s maxim “When things get serious you have to lie!”

  59. @notsaying
    This article mirrors the excuses people make for bringing in more immigrants to take American jobs. We all know that these companies will say anything to get more immigrants who will work harder for less.

    Maybe there's a lot of underused racially diverse talent out there, maybe there's not. I just don't know

    I do know that the people who run things like running things and want to make sure their children will run things. Few of these white people in charge come from poor or working class families; I don't think many are from middle class homes anymore either. Why is that and what has to happen to change this? I would certainly like to see more white diversity in management and leadership jobs.

    Replies: @SkylertheWeird

    I’ve always thought big companies like Wells Fargo were hiring East Asians to game the Diversity Goals. After all Little Black Sambo was an Indian not an African.

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    @SkylertheWeird

    South Asians, but, yes.

  60. anon[205] • Disclaimer says:

    the number of Black leaders

    Kind of OT, but I’ve always found this conceit that black people are supposed to be “leaders” really annoying. I hardly ever hear of any other group of people talked about as “leaders” in this way, but black people never shut up about how they’re training their young people to be “leaders”.

    And yes, I do think they mean all of their young people. They’re all going to be “leaders”, somehow. It’s a variation of their apparent belief that, back in Africa, they were all kings.

    It’s goofy and pathetic, but it’s gotten to the point that, in my mind at least, you can use it as a euphemism. Like, instead of “basketball-Americans” or “jogger-Americans”, you could talk about “leader-Americans”.

  61. @Warthog
    I know a fellow at Caltech who tells me that they can't keep capable Blacks because Stanford hires them all away.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Hannah Katz, @Anonymous

    The talented ones are quickly recruited away. Every company is looking for the same qualities, and those rare birds with those qualities due great. However, there are not enough to go around.

    It would be like if they had affirmative action goals for track and field scholarships. Coaches would be looking for white sprinters to fill out their quotas, and every coach would be trying to recruit Matt Boling, but only one coach could sign him up. Sadly, there are not many Matt Bolings out there.

  62. @NickG

    Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.
     
    I'm guessing that she doesn't have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Whites have an average IQ of around 100. With an standard deviation of 15, that give about 2% with an IQ of 130 — MENSA level — or above.

    American blacks have an average IQ of about 85. With a standard deviation of 15 (close enough) about 0.1% with an IQ of 130 or above.

    So you'd require a recruiting pool of 20 times as many American blacks as whites to find the same sized IQ cohort.

    It's even worse in South Africa, where black IQ averages about 70.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Vinnie O, @nokangaroos

    I’m not sure why one would expect to find any engineers on the boards of directors of any corporations not involved in engineering.

    I also don’t really get your fixation on 130. I think once you get above 120 or so, you get rapidly diminishing marginal returns on increasing IQ. Probably negative marginal returns in most fields. Things like conscientiousness, work ethic, charisma, etc are probably much more important to career success and many other things once you get above 120ish.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @AndrewR

    The hi-IQ BoD of Theranos did a really bang up job, as I recall.

    , @A British Indian
    @AndrewR

    The Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and the Duke Talent Identification Project have shown this to be false. The top 0.01% (IQ of 156 or above) of the population are far more accomplished than the top 1% (IQ > 135), for instance.

  63. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    IIRC, when that was talked about in past years, then all sorts of excuses emerged, the principal one being “we ain’t got no access to capital”.
    So your proposal is still a good one and let’s have Wells Fargo back the investment to start this amazing company.

  64. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Or a country?

  65. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Stebbing Heuer, @TelfoedJohn, @Bill, @Ben tillman

    Corn Pop stylin’ in the blue goggles.

  66. @anonymous

    If there had been over the last 50+ years a vast national push to find, advance, hire, and promote black talent, why was I never informed of this?
     
    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don't have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites. My sense is that outside of government and liberal orgs (e.g. NYT) there's not that much affirmative action in higher up ranks or prestige jobs.

    Replies: @bomag, @Bill, @Elli

    The _Bell Curve_ found income was about the same after controlling for IQ among races. That doesn’t exactly answer your question, though.

  67. In fairness, you could make the case that the jobs colored people and/or women feel trapped in in these institutions, should be better paid and respected. In light of the Great Depression, is a master of the universe trader really more valuable than, say, an Anti Money Laundering investigator? If nothing else, more respect and money would blunt their revolutionary impulses.

    A lot of right leaning men can’t seem to get past their inherent sympathy for White (or Indian or Chinese) male workaholics, even when they’re actively making society worse, and the people you need to reach like the middle managers and pink ghetto types a lot more. It’s no better than the Trucon bromides about capitalism. The masters of the universe are not admirable and they’re certainly not your friends. Why is everyone defending them over the lower down people in the institution? Are your racism and misogyny so entrenched that you can’t even consider making alliances with professionals who don’t share your skin colour and private parts?

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @Jesse

    Why is everyone defending them over the lower down people in the institution? Are your racism and misogyny so entrenched that you can’t even consider making alliances with professionals who don’t share your skin colour and private parts?
    ----------------------------
    Does the accusation of racism and sexism ever get tiresome? Can you point to a time in history that people were not racist or sexist? Can you explain to me why these words didn't exist prior to 1960? Is America's history really more racist and sexist than any other history? Why does the entirety of your argument center on your calling people these names? Do you have any cogent arguments that do not lead to these arguments? The answer is because this is your religion. You have no history, morals or culture other than calling people these names. How about this for an explanation - you are a jackass and we fundamentally disagree on the purpose of social organization.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  68. @TelfoedJohn
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/z1hkYhDUS7HT74VMDs7iF7YIw_4/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/77d9e95557d0cf29_152276756_10/i/Prince-William-carried-elevated-chair-Tuvalu.jpg

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/E7hxPe7aekIOFnYScTV_I1pUzLY/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/f92125184a52946b_152276759_10/i/Kate-Middleton-carried-elevated-chair-upon-arrived.jpg

    How does this make Meghan Markle feel?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Escher

    Idk but Meghan is making republicanism look better than ever. Did Harry blackmail his family into accepting her? The queen, Charles and William were certainly under no obligation to accept her.

  69. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, there’s a pointless riot alert in effect, as Los Angeles' own Dijon Kizzee's extended family held a press conference to attempt to somehow monetize their asshole relative's death. Odd his father, not even his mother chose to attend the browbeating of overtaxed L.A. police.

    Dijon pulled a gun out after running, and then swinging on officers. The poor fellow was apparently unprepared to be questioned, since a restraining order had been issued against him, forbidding him to have a firearm under any circumstances.

    The relatives seem to be concerned that the Dijon was shot too many times, apparently demasculating him.

    He was a human being who was beating on a police officer, and pulled a weapon on them, for the love of Pete! Restraint was in order, his bizarre wig-abusing aunt contends!

    https://youtu.be/QwYRAmFWos4

    The vid of the shooting:

    https://youtu.be/tk3OD4Lz6C8

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Felon resists arrest and pulls illegal gun on cops. Family wants justice!

    Sounds predictably crazy, right? But consider: ambulance-chasing lawyers have descended on this family telling them that if they just play their cards right, they can get a Breonna-size payout.

    Well, we know they can’t, but can you blame them for doing what the lawyers suggest? They might at least get a million or two. Not to mention they can wrap themselves in a media-supported mantle of victimization. Sure beats saying: ‘Well that Mr Mustard of ours, he had it coming.’

  70. @JohnnyWalker123
    Good news, guys.

    Thanks to Michael Bloomberg, I can vote in 2020!

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1308520204075491328

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @jsm, @Anonymous

    If I know you, you’re gonna write in Ghislaine Maxwell for President.

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Mr McKenna

    "I wish I had said that, Whistler."

    "You will, Oscar, you will."

  71. There is a lack of White talent in the NBA & NFL, but we don’t hear a lot of controversy over that fact.

  72. The Chronicle of Higher Education every year publishes annual statistics on Ph.D.s awarded by discipline with the demographic breakouts, including race.

    Some years ago when I was working at 2nd tier research university and listening to the diversity scolds on a tear because we weren’t hiring enough black science-math professors. I happened then to glance the latest issue of the CHE and noted the in the previous year a total of 8 Ph.D.s in mathematics were awarded to blacks, excuse me, Blacks. Not enough to go around for the second-tiers, much less most of the first-tiers.

    Just more confirmation of Sailor’s final words: “In an era like this when everybody is desperate to hire more blacks, your chances of getting really solid ones are dire.”

  73. @TelfoedJohn
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/z1hkYhDUS7HT74VMDs7iF7YIw_4/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/77d9e95557d0cf29_152276756_10/i/Prince-William-carried-elevated-chair-Tuvalu.jpg

    https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/E7hxPe7aekIOFnYScTV_I1pUzLY/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2012/09/38/2/192/1922398/f92125184a52946b_152276759_10/i/Kate-Middleton-carried-elevated-chair-upon-arrived.jpg

    How does this make Meghan Markle feel?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Escher

    White man’s burden reversed.

  74. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the Wells Fargo employees said there simply was no lack of talent: “I can get them 10 to 15 resumes today.”

    I’m sure this is actually true.

    In fact, it was kind of fun to imagine some high-ranking Wells Fargo executive sitting there, and having one of his black employees tell him to be on the lookout for a resume from her cousin Demarcus, who she thinks would be really good at this job. And then, every few days, asking him if he’d found the time to look at Demarcus’s resume yet.

    It’s kind of pleasant to think that, no matter how high you rise in America’s corporate or financial world, some things are just universal.

  75. “There is an amazing amount of Black talent out there,” said Ken Bacon, a former mortgage industry executive who is on the boards of Comcast Corp, Ally Financial Inc and Welltower Inc. “If people say they can’t find the talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

    They think this because they actually believe the fairy tale they tell themselves: You have to be 2-3 times as good as a white guy to even get in the door. If you believe this you are naturally going to overestimate how much talent there is. I am sure that what happens is that for real work, the person who makes the final decision nixes all but a few of the blacks after the interviews of all the candidates unless the job is for some diversity do nothing slot.

  76. @CCZ
    At the top and at the bottom:

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    “This plant is costing us millions right now,” he said.

    The reason, Singh said, is simple: Holtec cannot recruit and retain the workforce it needs — despite huge efforts to hire local employees.

    The issues range from entitlement to lack of training, Singh said. High turnover is the result.

    “We are starting from a base which is zero,” Singh said. “People don’t have the skills.”

    They also lack a history of working.

    “There is no tradition of work in families,” he said. “That has been a problem. If we hire 10, we keep two. The other eight weed themselves out.”

    Singh, a self-made millionaire, is trying to understand it.

    “They don’t show up to work,” he said. “They can’t stand getting up in the morning and coming to work every single day. They haven’t done it, and they didn’t see their parents do it. Of course, some of them get into drugs and things. So, it’s difficult.”

    He’s not the only one to feel this way.
     
    https://www.roi-nj.com/2018/09/12/industry/downside-to-growth-camdens-new-wave-of-companies-is-struggling-to-find-employees/

    Replies: @ic1000, @AnotherDad, @jim jones, @notsaying, @The King is a Fink, @El Dato, @MarkinLA

    My Dad was a foreman at a steel fabrication company in south central LA. He told me that the mostly black crew would ask him why they have to work 5 days a week when they could support themselves on 4 days pay. No concept of anything beyond their immediate needs.

  77. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    Hmm... What are the odds that there will be a pool of black talent tapped for an upcoming opening at Wells Fargo for, say, CEO?

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, “major ” depository commercial bank in The United States. Dimon of Chase is greek and there have been Italians at Bank America, but in the evolving 5-10 largest depository institutions it was a first.

    People in the old America simply wouldnt trust their money was safe being the most obvious explanation.

    Goldman is more or less a brokerage firm with a corporate advisory unit and a minimal asset management franchise with exceptionally poor performance historically. ( fees )
    GS stock price is unchanged in 14 years. Was a bankruptcy absent the TARP bailouts from exposure to AIG. Morgan Stanley their now significantly larger rival, early in 09 sold large stake in the company to Japanese conglomerate Mitsubishi UFJ Bank and while stressed did not ultimately need the capital.

    Stan O’Neal, a black man led then Brokerage firm and I bank Merrill Lynch and more or less bankrupted the place in 08 and 09 not unlike Bear Stearns, Lehman etc.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    Richard Rosenberg was CEO of Bank of America

    , @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, “major ” depository commercial bank in The United States.

    Not so. Sandy Weill was Ceo of Citi for 10 years. Walter Shipley of Chemical then Chase was halachically Jewish. Even Bob Rubin was Ceo of Citi for a couple of months.

  78. @NickG

    Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.
     
    I'm guessing that she doesn't have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Whites have an average IQ of around 100. With an standard deviation of 15, that give about 2% with an IQ of 130 — MENSA level — or above.

    American blacks have an average IQ of about 85. With a standard deviation of 15 (close enough) about 0.1% with an IQ of 130 or above.

    So you'd require a recruiting pool of 20 times as many American blacks as whites to find the same sized IQ cohort.

    It's even worse in South Africa, where black IQ averages about 70.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Vinnie O, @nokangaroos

    The standard deviation for the Negro IQ curve is 10 points, not 15. That is, it’s not only shifted LEFT, it’s significantly narrower. And when you look at the right hand tail of the curve, there’s simply NOTHING out there by the time you get to 140. See ANYTHING by Charles Murray.

  79. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @duncsbaby
    "There is an amazing amount of (black) talent out there . . . "

    The amount of black talent certainly is amazingly small, especially to the segment of the population who don't live in that part of the world called reality. The world's population of black non-talent is ever burgeoning.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Particularly as these places evolve from Sales Trading, good looking affable men to largely tech hires.

    GS aspirants have been lamenting for years that the new class they announce annually has shifted from a home for the tribe to nearly half east Asian hires. ( the top 4 execs remain jews though that has not always been the case. Football players like Paulson Corzine etc in recent memory )

  80. @Colin Wright
    '...In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population...'

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a 'director' in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It's silly, anyway. We're largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TomSchmidt, @Poirot, @Bannon, @res

    We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.

    That’s Thomas Sowell’s argument for why reparations, which he opposes, would be better than Affirmative Action. AA transfers valuable slots at elite universities from marginal whites and Asians to talented-10th blacks, benefiting the talented tenth AND the elite whites who don’t face competition from strivers. It heavily taxes one group to benefit two elite groups, and does nothing for poor blacks.

  81. Black talent?

    Isn’t “talent” some sort of meritocratic trope that has no place in the world of current year clown world?

  82. The next Republican controlled congress needs to pass a law which simply states:

    “No government agency nor court shall consider the proportion of the numbers of people in the general population who display any particular inherited characteristic, as compared to any individual person’s characteristics, when determining whether the requirement for the equal protection of the law is met. The Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection of the law requirement applies to individual persons and is not applicable to groups of persons simply because all members of the group share similar inherited characteristics. “

  83. @JohnnyWalker123
    Good news, guys.

    Thanks to Michael Bloomberg, I can vote in 2020!

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1308520204075491328

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @jsm, @Anonymous

    Gee, I am so GLAD we let in his grandparents!

  84. @anonymous

    If there had been over the last 50+ years a vast national push to find, advance, hire, and promote black talent, why was I never informed of this?
     
    Is there any data on how well blacks with IQs 115+ do compared to whites of similar intelligence? I don't have the impression that incomes of blacks in this category is much different from whites. My sense is that outside of government and liberal orgs (e.g. NYT) there's not that much affirmative action in higher up ranks or prestige jobs.

    Replies: @bomag, @Bill, @Elli

    I read one study, can’t remember authors, that black men earned more than white men with the same IQ. They might have chosen more lucrative careers, or they might have benefitted from the corporate desire for black representation.

  85. Thanks, Charles “Captain Obvious” Scharf.

    I’ve seen corporate America throw money at incompetent blacks since the late ’90s.

    The few competent negroes are living the dream in the Current Year.

    All of them are rolling around in new BMWz with grillz and rimz.

  86. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It'd be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    Replies: @Elli, @DCThrowback, @Urufufu, @tyrone

    You never heard of juke joints?

  87. tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals.

    Increasing diversity reduces labor costs by several different vectors, which the executives know full well.

    So they literally take pay away from workers and give it to themselves

    Cartoon character capitalist villains, while demanding we all applaud them for their virtue

    Evil

  88. It’s like when The Bell Curve printed the leaked data on the SAT gap among freshmen at 26 top colleges. At Harvard, the gap wasn’t too bad, 91 points out of a 400-1600 scale, or a little under a half standard deviation. But that was because Harvard was getting a large fraction of the best blacks. At the other 25 famous colleges, the gap was more like 160 points.

    See page 452 here:

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf

    At Berkeley the bLACK-white difference in means was 288 points.

    207 points at the University of Chicago.

  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It'd be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    Replies: @Elli, @DCThrowback, @Urufufu, @tyrone

    ***religion

  90. While it’s a cliche to call this “virtue signaling”, I think it’s best to ignore the words and view it as a signal — a display, like apes hooting and beating their chests. Or like Havel’s greengrocer posting party slogans, but motivated by status-seeking rather than fear.

    Last spring, when the DIE crowd launched its offensive at my law school, I brought up the problem of the limited talent pool. We’re competing with higher-ranked and better-endowed schools that are monopolizing the available black law students. So if we want more black students, where do we propose to find them?

    Seems like an obvious question… but you would not believe how angry people got.

    They clearly hadn’t even begun to think about how this would work in practice. But DIE is something Good People are supposed to want, and the more loudly and fanatically you want it, the PlusGooder you are.

    (Granted, when I analogized them to bidders at a slave auction, that may have antagonized them a bit…)

  91. It’s like when The Bell Curve printed the leaked data on the SAT gap among freshmen at 26 top colleges. At Harvard, the gap wasn’t too bad, 91 points out of a 400-1600 scale, or a little under a half standard deviation. But that was because Harvard was getting a large fraction of the best blacks. At the other 25 famous colleges, the gap was more like 160 points.

    Given the SAT gap, that is not much of a gap at all. Does it indicate that ‘top’ colleges are not admitting the smartest whites?

  92. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Oh they most certainly would, except we evil white people wouldn’t let them. They have the human resources but lack the capital because the U.S. Government won’t allow business loans to Blacks because redlining.

  93. @NickG

    Winston, adding that she is often the only person of color in board rooms, also disagreed with the notion of a talent shortage.
     
    I'm guessing that she doesn't have an engineering degree or anything that required higher maths.

    Whites have an average IQ of around 100. With an standard deviation of 15, that give about 2% with an IQ of 130 — MENSA level — or above.

    American blacks have an average IQ of about 85. With a standard deviation of 15 (close enough) about 0.1% with an IQ of 130 or above.

    So you'd require a recruiting pool of 20 times as many American blacks as whites to find the same sized IQ cohort.

    It's even worse in South Africa, where black IQ averages about 70.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Vinnie O, @nokangaroos

    [apart from being somewhat polymodal, like the White]
    the black distribution is narrower, and you forgot one division (population).

    Given a slightly more reasonable cutoff of IQ > 115 (= university material) the cohort is expected to be ~2-3 per mil black. So if we assume RBG´s sole black clerk to have been a quadroon she was actually pretty (QUITE!!! I meant to say quite!) colorblind 😛

    And rest assured they earn more.

    “As women and minorities started to gain traction in corporate America, they were trapped in certain jobs companies felt comfortable placing them in, []”

    translate:

    “Yes we are the Mafia Don´s dimwit nephews, we don´t care who knows it, but we´re no longer content getting paid, we demand a piece of the glam an decision-making an sheet.
    Y´all think we stoopid or what?”

    Abandon all hope 😀

  94. @Voltarde
    Dire indeed.

    Nature, probably the most prestigious journal in the world for the publication of high-profile peer-reviewed scientific literature, has a "Briefings" section whose daily edition regularly includes obeisance to woke pieties.

    A recent example includes a reference to ... Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist's academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    “Black Panther’s vision of Wakanda rejects the oft-repeated story that we humans and our environment are natural enemies.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02715-5

    which cites the following:

    'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs': How Movies Like Black Panther Could Help Us Save the Planet
    Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis
    https://time.com/5889324/movies-climate-change/

    I doubt that the author of the Time article realizes that the title 'Wakanda Doesn't Have Suburbs' is open to an interpretation other than the one she intended.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato, @guest, @Redneck farmer, @JosephB

    A recent example includes a reference to … Wakanda. Under the imprint of the journal Nature, for goodness sake! Nature and Science (the latter is published by the AAAS) are the two journals in which a first-author publication can go a long way to launching a young scientist’s academic career as an independent, tenure-track investigator.

    Just a minor nitpick: very very few young scientists who have already made it to tenure track (Assistant Professor) have a Science or Nature publication. Getting one such publication pre-tenure would be a near-automatic pass on the tenure case. Possibly a Science/Nature publication could be factor for getting promoted from Associate Professor (with tenure) to Full Professor, but it’s usually someone who has made it. Grad students and post docs just don’t have the background to write such articles.

  95. Don’t forget that ol’ debil–the background check and piss test! That’s the hardest test many take and few pass.

  96. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    “Listen up! Pool’s closed due to AIDS.”

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Stebbing Heuer, @TelfoedJohn, @Bill, @Ben tillman

    I am the great and mighty Oz!

  97. The low IQ bartender pretending to be a Congressman chimes in

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1308571548958289920

  98. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Yo, the Man keeping them down. Do you have an alternate theory?

  99. Don’t worry, they’ll soon clarify that the lack of talent is only because universities are not packing their classrooms with enough black bodies. It’s the pipeline, you see!

  100. “There is an amazing amount of Black talent out there,” said Ken Bacon, a former mortgage industry executive who is on the boards of Comcast Corp, Ally Financial Inc and Welltower Inc.

    And if you can’t trust a former mortgage industry executive who can you trust?

    I checked the leadership of the corporations Bacon sits on the boards for.

    Comcast shows seven executives on its leadership team. All of them are white men.

    Ally Financial has plenty of blacks (as advertisements) on its home page, but of the 19 executives listed 16 are white, two are Indian, and one is a “white Hispanic.”

    Welltower has 12 whites, three Indians, one Chinese man…and black woman!

    So there’s lots and lots of black talent at the companies Bacon sits on the boards of – one out of 41.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Wilkey

    And the greedy bastard is hogging all of the few board director jobs that, rightfully, should be distributed between other bruthas and sistahs.

  101. With media delicately avoiding the r word, Louisville braces for “unrest.” No lack of talent in that regard

  102. @Colin Wright
    '...In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population...'

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a 'director' in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It's silly, anyway. We're largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TomSchmidt, @Poirot, @Bannon, @res

    “We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds.”

    Affirmatively Furthering Privileged Mullatoes! (AFPM)

  103. @Colin Wright
    '...In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population...'

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a 'director' in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It's silly, anyway. We're largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TomSchmidt, @Poirot, @Bannon, @res

    None of this about doing good for blacks of low station. It is first and foremost about conducting a War on Truth. It is about getting people used to the idea of not trusting their lying eyes, and removing all noticeable achievement gaps by dictatorial fiat. “Systemic racism” is indoctrinating us to the idea that there is no motive in racism — either hire a proportionate number of blacks, or racism has occurred. At the same time, they are conducting open war on the very notions of measurable merit or achievement.

    It’s all a great plan, except for the truth has a way of bubbling to the top again and again.

    I’m continually amazed as I look back on my education, and find that the greatest lesson I was ever taught was the fable of the Emperor’s New Clothes. I thought it was ridiculous as a child, absurd. Now I realize that it is a miniaturized version of human history unfolding.

    • Replies: @Poirot
    @Bannon

    “At the same time, they are conducting open war on the very notions of measurable merit or achievement.”

    “Merit”, a.k.a. “The New Racism”.
    It’s been about a quarter century ago now that Dinesh D’Souza released his book, “The End of Racism”. He mentioned back then how “merit” was being reframed as “the new racism”.

  104. @Anonymous

    In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population
     
    I had no idea of the degree of affirmative action on the F500 boardroom level. Astonishing!

    Replies: @bomag, @Bannon

    In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population

    Director appointments are the easiest to gerrymander. Directors don’t actually have to do anything, they can just blend in. And oftentimes management is trying to do a snow-job on the Board anyway.

  105. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    If there really is an amazing pool of black talent, why don’t blacks pool together to create their own lending firm? I’m sure Oprah would provide the seed money. If blacks really want to decouple their collective fate from those evil whites, this is what they should do.

    But if there isn’t a large pool of black talent, then blacks must rely on whites to create the civilizational scaffolding that allows blacks to enjoy a first-world lifestyle. This appears to be the case. Blacks know it, and so they both resent and must rely on whites. Hence blacks’ frustration and anger.

    The question for blacks is the one posed by Milton: would you rather serve in heaven or rule in hell? If it’s the former, then accept your role in the U.S. If it’s the latter, you can always move to Sierra Leone.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Anon

    Or they can recreate Sierra Leone here. Which seems to be the plan.

  106. @Almost Missouri


    The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years and tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals. He is also requiring hiring managers to consider diverse candidates for high-paying roles that are vacant, and ensure diversity on interview teams.
     

     
    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @anon

    Well played.

  107. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicholas Stix
    85 average IQ.
    Low VQ.
    Weak work ethic.

    Replies: @anonymous

    85 average IQ.
    Low VQ.
    Weak work ethic.

    I think you’re talking about “executive function.” The ability to create, organize, and complete tasks. It’s related to conscientiousness, and the unpleasant fact is, black culture is antithetical to that important attribute for leadership success in corporate life.

    Witness just about every black person who has won lotto, or experience a windfall of cash. Sans raw executive function, or a competent professional to hand their responsibilities off to, they will lose their winnings, and they will wind up miserable. MC Hammer is a textbook case.

    It’s a substantial reason black home ownership is at a low level compared to other races. Owning a house is almost like running a small business. There are things you must do in a timely fashion, or you will lose your house.

    Black folks, without government help, lose their houses… a lot.

  108. Your post hints at a trend: white dudes changing their sir names to something Latino-sounding and jumping on that bandwagon. Watch for it.

  109. @Wilkey

    “There is an amazing amount of Black talent out there,” said Ken Bacon, a former mortgage industry executive who is on the boards of Comcast Corp, Ally Financial Inc and Welltower Inc.
     
    And if you can't trust a former mortgage industry executive who can you trust?

    I checked the leadership of the corporations Bacon sits on the boards for.

    Comcast shows seven executives on its leadership team. All of them are white men.

    Ally Financial has plenty of blacks (as advertisements) on its home page, but of the 19 executives listed 16 are white, two are Indian, and one is a "white Hispanic."

    Welltower has 12 whites, three Indians, one Chinese man...and black woman!

    So there's lots and lots of black talent at the companies Bacon sits on the boards of - one out of 41.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    And the greedy bastard is hogging all of the few board director jobs that, rightfully, should be distributed between other bruthas and sistahs.

  110. @Yancey Ward
    Wells Fargo should hire some Nigerians that work from home.

    Replies: @SMK, @Reg Cæsar

    I-S guess the only solution is to import more “talent” from sub-Saharan Africa, especially Nigerians who, according to Tucker Carlson, earn more money on average than white Americans, which will enrich and improve the quality of life in both the US and sub-Saharan Africa.

  111. If the talent pool were deep, one would expect to see top talent salaries driven downward by excess supply. If it were shallow, one would expect to see them driven upward by excess demand: i.e., a large disparity between the high end and the median. A widespread corporate preference for black top talent should logically cause them to command a large premium relative to the black median in their field, and a smaller premium relative to their peers of other ethnicities.

    Compare to baseball. The top fraction of players gravitate toward franchises with the largest checkbooks — Yankees, Mets, and a handful of others. Middling- and low-budget teams seek top players who haven’t been discovered yet, while expecting to quickly lose them to the big-budget teams. They fill out the roster with the rest and make do with what they can get.

  112. Speaking of all this, every year like clockwork the media brings us a story about some black kid that got into all the Ivy League schools (no collusion there or anything of course). But has anyone ever done a follow-up on one of these people? What did they end up doing? Curing cancer while engineering a speed-of-light spaceship? I mean, since getting into all the Ivies MUST mean you’re like top 0.0001% in amazingness, shouldn’t we see great things from them?

    I don’t know, maybe they have done great things, but I’ve never seen anyone even ask the obvious “whatever happened to?” question.

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @peterike


    Speaking of all this, every year like clockwork the media brings us a story about some black kid that got into all the Ivy League schools (no collusion there or anything of course). But has anyone ever done a follow-up on one of these people? What did they end up doing?
     
    Here’s one.

    Oakland Teen Wows With 5.0 GPA and 2100 SAT Score

    https://www.theroot.com/oakland-teen-wows-with-5-0-gpa-and-2100-sat-score-1790875224

    QUOTE:
    Appearance hasn't stopped schools like Yale, Brown, Columbia, Northwestern, the University of Southern California, UCLA, Howard, Chapman and more from courting the teenager, who also plays three instruments and is a great baseball player. According to KGO-TV, Yale is talking to him about possibly joining its baseball team.

    Akintunde has his heart set on either Yale or Brown and is interested in pursuing premed or prelaw.
    END QUOTE

    He decided to become a professional SJW instead:

    The Bleak Truth Behind My ‘Inspiring’ Path From Oakland to Yale
    When I decided to attend Yale five years ago, people held me up as an example of a black student who “beat the odds.” I wish they were more curious about why my brother wound up in prison instead.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/09/i-went-yale-my-brother-went-prison/597730/

    https://www.cjr.org/author/akintunde-ahmad

    That was not such a dumb move, given our current lunatic environment.
  113. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Good news, guys.

    Thanks to Michael Bloomberg, I can vote in 2020!

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1308520204075491328

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @jsm, @Anonymous

    There’s a not insignificant anti-Semitic culture enjoyed by blacks in prison. Black Muslims, many who have converted while in prison, we can take for granted. Bloomberg very likely may be fueling a pro-Trump tsunami in Florida.

    I wouldn’t pay any mind to this, aside for its unintentional comedic value. Bloomberg is an administrator. He’s not a leader, he’s not creative, and he certainly has a remedial understanding of how common people see their world. He has no insight to what motivates them, much less a grasp of why he disgusts them.

    That’s why Trump handed him his ass on a regular basis.

  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It'd be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    Replies: @Elli, @DCThrowback, @Urufufu, @tyrone

    Finally someone else notices that baubles and trinkets are the downfall of blacks. They don’t have the IQ to keep these things in check or perspective. You wouldn’t give a cell phone or a gun to a monkey. The same rule applies with blacks.

  115. Excuse me, but I am pretty sure there is also more than enough white talent to fill every high tech job in Silicon Valley, yet we have ever growing h1 b folks coming in. If only the government gave citizens of any ethic group the preferences that blacks get, we would have a lot fewer immigrants.

  116. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    Why not go the whole hog and dispense with the toxic masculinity ? Black women only!

  117. At Harvard, the gap wasn’t too bad, 91 points out of a 400-1600 scale, or a little under a half standard deviation. But that was because Harvard was getting a large fraction of the best blacks. At the other 25 famous colleges, the gap was more like 160 points.

    The smaller gap at Harvard is due to the ceiling on the SAT score. If the SAT score was inversely proportional to (1-IQ%ile) with no limit the gap would be largest at Harvard.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  118. It’s actually a really clever plan to misdirect blacks into getting worked up about their lack of representation in corporate boardrooms. Focusing on the extremes while completely ignoring the average. Financial executives could be either 0% or 100% black and it wouldn’t impact the life of your average black guy. But blacks don’t seem to care much about their personal situations because the media focuses them so much on stories like this.

  119. Most people who’ve worked with blacks know they aren’t a talent rich demographic when it comes to white collar jobs requiring some cognitive ability, problem solving skills and work ethic. Usually the “talented” blacks are no more talented than the average white white collar worker.

    Blacks bitch about “racism” in corporate America but a black employee with the skills of an average white employee is in fairly high demand and companies sometimes get in a bidding war for their services. This is another form of black privilege but of course blacks never admit to any unfair or unearned privileges and advantages they have over whites.

    Despite their cognitive shortcomings that doesn’t stop blacks from always thinking they are the smartest people in the room.

  120. “If people say they can’t find the talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

    it’s almost like

    “If people say they can’t find citizen talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

    the difference being, of course, that there demonstrably is citizen talent just as there demonstrably is not a lot of black talent.

    How many blacks with college degrees and no criminal record are just unemployed and can’t get hired?

    This is a fair question that lies at the heart of this discussion.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Alice in Wonderland


    How many blacks with college degrees and no criminal record are just unemployed and can’t get hired?

    This is a fair question that lies at the heart of this discussion.
     

    Excellent!

    And a few more questions often found (when not outlawed) on hiring filters, now or past.

    How high is your credit rating score?
    How many tax liens?
    How many civil lawsuits filed against you?
    How long have you been married? (How many children if not married now?)
    Did you pass your drug test?
    Are any of your criminal records "sealed'?
    If in the military, were you honorably discharged?
    Do you have any immediate family members currently or recently incarcerated?

    You might still be hired but you'd have to "explain" if your answers were not the good kind.

    Some of these may still be used for law enforcement or high security jobs. Banks are very tough, normally (tellers, etc.).

    When I was hired for my first job (at the then world's largest CPA firm) I know they checked into everything above (all were N/A, or no). They even paid for investigators to visit the town where my parents lived, interviewed them and probably neighbors (I never lived there myself). This was for an entry level staff job.

    The old Mafia wouldn't let anyone with a law enforcement employed relative become an associate. Likewise in large cities with Mafia, no "connected" family members were hired as police, etc.

    Even 1% outlaw motorcycle clubs now do exhaustive background checks on probationary members.

    Employment just a few decades ago wasn't considered part of the welfare system.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  121. @Anon
    If there really is an amazing pool of black talent, why don't blacks pool together to create their own lending firm? I'm sure Oprah would provide the seed money. If blacks really want to decouple their collective fate from those evil whites, this is what they should do.

    But if there isn't a large pool of black talent, then blacks must rely on whites to create the civilizational scaffolding that allows blacks to enjoy a first-world lifestyle. This appears to be the case. Blacks know it, and so they both resent and must rely on whites. Hence blacks' frustration and anger.

    The question for blacks is the one posed by Milton: would you rather serve in heaven or rule in hell? If it's the former, then accept your role in the U.S. If it's the latter, you can always move to Sierra Leone.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Or they can recreate Sierra Leone here. Which seems to be the plan.

  122. Fact that this CEO has not had to resign after saying some thing like this tells you that the inner party is getting tired of all the BS and is looking to get the message out to the masses about the harsh reality that bell curve exists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @indocon

    Made a serious of groveling apologies, said he throw some money at diversity rackets bla bla.

    Wells has been decimated in the two years since his appointment. Roughly 68% decline in the common stock since late October of 2019

    He will be out in two years likely. Roughly 50-100 mm $US comp in that 4 year period depending of course.

  123. @Colin Wright
    '...In boardrooms, African Americans made up 10 percent of new director appointments in the Fortune 500 last year compared with their 13 percent of the U.S. population...'

    I imagine if one determined the average IQ of a 'director' in such a corporation, and then determined the percentage of the population that has such an IQ and is black, that 10% amounts to gross over-representation of the black proportion of the population with that IQ.

    2%?

    It's silly, anyway. We're largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types. We might as well hand out the corporate keys to marginally qualified people with detached earlobes for all the good it does anyone else.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @TomSchmidt, @Poirot, @Bannon, @res

    Emil’s tail effects calculator is helpful for thinking about hypotheticals like that.
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects

    If you change the default population sizes to 70 blue and 13 red (the rest of the default are appropriate for respective black and white IQ distributions) a 130 threshold gives a 90x difference in representation and a 115 threshold gives a 37x difference.

    Reality is probably somewhere in between so I’d say your 2% is in the ballpark.

  124. Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec, has been labeled as one of the saviors of Camden since his company cut the ribbon on a new 600,000-square-foot manufacturing facility that promised hundreds of jobs for local residents.

    Any good thinking liberal can see that the problem isn’t with the local workforce (because blacks built this country), but that the racist environment that Singh has created is crushing the self-esteem of the black employees.

  125. @Father O'Hara
    @Thomas

    Why doesn't this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Gordo, @Neuday, @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad

    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?

    Spot on Father O’Hara–that’s the question not to be asked.

    Actual oppression is … oppression. You make people do stuff for you–slavery, serfdom–or worse take there stuff and/or kill them

    The core lie at the heart of minoritarianism is that people are somehow “oppressed” if you don’t give them your stuff. Don’t let them into Harvard, don’t let them into your country club, don’t let them into your neighborhood, or your nation … don’t give them a job in your C-suite … oppression, oppression, oppression.

    The truth is that while individual lives may flop this way or that … capable people will make something of themselves, will build their own stuff. You saw this with American Catholics. They didn’t like X, Y, Z of American public education and rather than whining about Harvard … went out and built their own Catholic schools and universities. Even the Irish–whose society had collapsed under famine and were in terrible shape when they got here–got their act together–beatings supplied by various priests and brothers and nuns–and prospered.

    If there is really a surfeit of black talent that is underemployed because of discrimination, then the companies that do not discriminate and use that black talent in abundance will have a competitive advantage and surge ahead. And black run companies should be springing up–making use of underused/underpriced black talent–going great guns. (Same principle applies to all the whining about women in STEM. Ok, there are plenty of female business execs. Where are these go-getter women tech companies.)

    The final tell, if a people are good quality–intelligent, conscientious, cooperative–then that people’s neighborhoods and nations will be decent, pleasant places. Other people won’t be running to get away from them.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Jesse
    @AnotherDad

    Careful. With this logic, there CAN'T be discrimination against White flyover men because why would companies leave talent on the table? And where are the world beating businesses they're setting up?

    Replies: @Some Guy

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    That was an excellent Libertarian case to show how much BS this bitching about oppression by blacks is, and as you wrote, women too. Thank you, and thanks Father O'Hara too.

  126. @Almost Missouri


    The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years and tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals. He is also requiring hiring managers to consider diverse candidates for high-paying roles that are vacant, and ensure diversity on interview teams.
     

     
    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @anon

    Almost, it would be a clear shorting opportunity … except that pretty much all American companies are promising the same sort of thing.

    What likely will be the case is that there is yet another “diversity” layer of fat ensconced around every American corporation. They’ll be extra black “leaders”, who will have extra “executive staff” or “technical advisors” making sure the trains run on time and the “leader” is making the right decision. It’s called “supporting qualified diverse managers in their new roles”. (The XO runs the ship.)

    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.

    ~~

    BTW, some management “guru” should write a “managing diversity” book that’s actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, some management “guru” should write a “managing diversity” book that’s actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    A book that would never be published. If it was, the author, editor and publisher all might as well move to Pitcairn island or Bhutan or some other remote place, because they'd all be canceled in 'Murica.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad


    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.
     
    But, that's a good thing...

    .


    ... for the Chinese.

  127. @AnotherDad
    @Father O'Hara


    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?
     
    Spot on Father O'Hara--that's the question not to be asked.

    Actual oppression is ... oppression. You make people do stuff for you--slavery, serfdom--or worse take there stuff and/or kill them

    The core lie at the heart of minoritarianism is that people are somehow "oppressed" if you don't give them your stuff. Don't let them into Harvard, don't let them into your country club, don't let them into your neighborhood, or your nation ... don't give them a job in your C-suite ... oppression, oppression, oppression.

    The truth is that while individual lives may flop this way or that ... capable people will make something of themselves, will build their own stuff. You saw this with American Catholics. They didn't like X, Y, Z of American public education and rather than whining about Harvard ... went out and built their own Catholic schools and universities. Even the Irish--whose society had collapsed under famine and were in terrible shape when they got here--got their act together--beatings supplied by various priests and brothers and nuns--and prospered.

    If there is really a surfeit of black talent that is underemployed because of discrimination, then the companies that do not discriminate and use that black talent in abundance will have a competitive advantage and surge ahead. And black run companies should be springing up--making use of underused/underpriced black talent--going great guns. (Same principle applies to all the whining about women in STEM. Ok, there are plenty of female business execs. Where are these go-getter women tech companies.)

    The final tell, if a people are good quality--intelligent, conscientious, cooperative--then that people's neighborhoods and nations will be decent, pleasant places. Other people won't be running to get away from them.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Achmed E. Newman

    Careful. With this logic, there CAN’T be discrimination against White flyover men because why would companies leave talent on the table? And where are the world beating businesses they’re setting up?

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    @Jesse

    The most ambitious people of all races move to the big cities, no? Warren Buffet was born in Nebraska for example.

  128. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri


    The CEO of the largest U.S. bank employer has pledged to double the number of Black leaders over five years and tied executive compensation to reaching diversity goals. He is also requiring hiring managers to consider diverse candidates for high-paying roles that are vacant, and ensure diversity on interview teams.
     

     
    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @anon

    Sounds like a shorting opportunity.

    Watch MSNBC for a few days and you will soon learn that every company is saying the same thing. Back after Saint George Floyd’s martyring MSNBC was wall to wall black people of varying intelligence. Globalhomo has gotten all of corporate America by the short and curly hairs.

    Of course, saying isn’t the same as doing. I expect the implementation at, hmm, Goldman Sachs (GS) won’t be quite the same as at Wells Fargo (WFC).

    Wells is already sick
    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=wfc&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

    Goldman is no prize
    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=gs&ty=c&ta=1&p=d

    This isn’t going away any time soon. Black people as overhead is now pretty much the norm in businesses of any size.

  129. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri

    Almost, it would be a clear shorting opportunity ... except that pretty much all American companies are promising the same sort of thing.

    What likely will be the case is that there is yet another "diversity" layer of fat ensconced around every American corporation. They'll be extra black "leaders", who will have extra "executive staff" or "technical advisors" making sure the trains run on time and the "leader" is making the right decision. It's called "supporting qualified diverse managers in their new roles". (The XO runs the ship.)

    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.

    ~~

    BTW, some management "guru" should write a "managing diversity" book that's actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    BTW, some management “guru” should write a “managing diversity” book that’s actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    A book that would never be published. If it was, the author, editor and publisher all might as well move to Pitcairn island or Bhutan or some other remote place, because they’d all be canceled in ‘Murica.

  130. @AnotherDad
    @Colin Wright


    It’s silly, anyway. We’re largely talking about further privileging mulattoes from already privileged backgrounds. None of this does anything whatsoever for your basic full-on black ghetto types.
     
    Bingo.

    What would most benefit actual ghetto blacks:
    -- An immigration moratorium.
    -- Serious uptick in policing and incarceration. Get rid of the a*holes.
    -- Inc. crackdown on hard drugs. With treatment available.
    -- A more sexually (and generally) conservative culture.
    -- Vouchering off public education.

    Needless to say this is the program that's on an liberal's menu.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Anonymous Jew

    #1 would be to stop teaching them to resent and blame Whites for everything, which in turn would help with their behavioral issues that affect every aspect of their lives. An 85 IQ doesn’t necessarily lead people – of all races – to thuggery.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Anonymous Jew

    You do see friction when populations of differing IQ live together, some of which is no doubt due to resentment at the success of the higher achieving community.
    Malaysia: Malays/Chinese
    Indonesia: Indonesians/Chinese
    East Africa: Africans/Indians
    Fiji: Pacific Islanders/Indians

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  131. The large firms pay protection money, e.g. large recruitment budgets and splashy advertising, so as demonstrate their desire for politically favored workers (i.e. virtue signaling).

    It helps shield the firms from discrimination (shakedown) lawsuits, maintains their government contract qualifying scores, etc.

  132. @AnotherDad
    @Father O'Hara


    Why doesn’t this pool of talent pool their resources and start an all BLACK company that would clobber the competition? With their amazing talent?
     
    Spot on Father O'Hara--that's the question not to be asked.

    Actual oppression is ... oppression. You make people do stuff for you--slavery, serfdom--or worse take there stuff and/or kill them

    The core lie at the heart of minoritarianism is that people are somehow "oppressed" if you don't give them your stuff. Don't let them into Harvard, don't let them into your country club, don't let them into your neighborhood, or your nation ... don't give them a job in your C-suite ... oppression, oppression, oppression.

    The truth is that while individual lives may flop this way or that ... capable people will make something of themselves, will build their own stuff. You saw this with American Catholics. They didn't like X, Y, Z of American public education and rather than whining about Harvard ... went out and built their own Catholic schools and universities. Even the Irish--whose society had collapsed under famine and were in terrible shape when they got here--got their act together--beatings supplied by various priests and brothers and nuns--and prospered.

    If there is really a surfeit of black talent that is underemployed because of discrimination, then the companies that do not discriminate and use that black talent in abundance will have a competitive advantage and surge ahead. And black run companies should be springing up--making use of underused/underpriced black talent--going great guns. (Same principle applies to all the whining about women in STEM. Ok, there are plenty of female business execs. Where are these go-getter women tech companies.)

    The final tell, if a people are good quality--intelligent, conscientious, cooperative--then that people's neighborhoods and nations will be decent, pleasant places. Other people won't be running to get away from them.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Achmed E. Newman

    That was an excellent Libertarian case to show how much BS this bitching about oppression by blacks is, and as you wrote, women too. Thank you, and thanks Father O’Hara too.

  133. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri

    Almost, it would be a clear shorting opportunity ... except that pretty much all American companies are promising the same sort of thing.

    What likely will be the case is that there is yet another "diversity" layer of fat ensconced around every American corporation. They'll be extra black "leaders", who will have extra "executive staff" or "technical advisors" making sure the trains run on time and the "leader" is making the right decision. It's called "supporting qualified diverse managers in their new roles". (The XO runs the ship.)

    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.

    ~~

    BTW, some management "guru" should write a "managing diversity" book that's actually the brass tacks, non-nonsense practical guide to managing around diversity.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    The problem is, of course, the obvious: more bureaucratic bloat, and extra decision making steps make for corporate lethargy. And talented people running things who are not properly rewarded will chafe at the nonsense, sometimes get disgruntled and sow conflict, sometimes leave. It all makes for poorer corporate and national performance.

    But, that’s a good thing…

    .

    … for the Chinese.

  134. Trading the same level it traded in 2002.

    Dont sell into the hole.

  135. @SkylertheWeird
    @notsaying

    I've always thought big companies like Wells Fargo were hiring East Asians to game the Diversity Goals. After all Little Black Sambo was an Indian not an African.

    Replies: @Bleuteaux

    South Asians, but, yes.

  136. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    Fact that this CEO has not had to resign after saying some thing like this tells you that the inner party is getting tired of all the BS and is looking to get the message out to the masses about the harsh reality that bell curve exists.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Made a serious of groveling apologies, said he throw some money at diversity rackets bla bla.

    Wells has been decimated in the two years since his appointment. Roughly 68% decline in the common stock since late October of 2019

    He will be out in two years likely. Roughly 50-100 mm $US comp in that 4 year period depending of course.

  137. @Mr McKenna
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If I know you, you're gonna write in Ghislaine Maxwell for President.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “I wish I had said that, Whistler.”

    “You will, Oscar, you will.”

  138. @Bannon
    @Colin Wright

    None of this about doing good for blacks of low station. It is first and foremost about conducting a War on Truth. It is about getting people used to the idea of not trusting their lying eyes, and removing all noticeable achievement gaps by dictatorial fiat. "Systemic racism" is indoctrinating us to the idea that there is no motive in racism -- either hire a proportionate number of blacks, or racism has occurred. At the same time, they are conducting open war on the very notions of measurable merit or achievement.

    It's all a great plan, except for the truth has a way of bubbling to the top again and again.

    I'm continually amazed as I look back on my education, and find that the greatest lesson I was ever taught was the fable of the Emperor's New Clothes. I thought it was ridiculous as a child, absurd. Now I realize that it is a miniaturized version of human history unfolding.

    Replies: @Poirot

    “At the same time, they are conducting open war on the very notions of measurable merit or achievement.”

    “Merit”, a.k.a. “The New Racism”.
    It’s been about a quarter century ago now that Dinesh D’Souza released his book, “The End of Racism”. He mentioned back then how “merit” was being reframed as “the new racism”.

  139. Wells Fargo & Co Chief Executive Charles Scharf exasperated some Black employees in a Zoom meeting this summer when he reiterated that the bank had trouble reaching diversity goals because there was not enough qualified minority talent

    Nonsense. There’s plenty of qualified minority talent. The group in this video could handle mortgage, retail banking and commercial loans with ease.

  140. @AndrewR
    @NickG

    I'm not sure why one would expect to find any engineers on the boards of directors of any corporations not involved in engineering.

    I also don't really get your fixation on 130. I think once you get above 120 or so, you get rapidly diminishing marginal returns on increasing IQ. Probably negative marginal returns in most fields. Things like conscientiousness, work ethic, charisma, etc are probably much more important to career success and many other things once you get above 120ish.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @A British Indian

    The hi-IQ BoD of Theranos did a really bang up job, as I recall.

  141. I think Buddy Fletcher and Elaine Whatshername are available.

  142. The most reasonable excuse by white Wells Fargo big wigs not to hire blacks who are talented is that those bosses would finally be held accountable for their business practices. Whites are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/business/wells-fargo-settlement.amp.html

    • Troll: Just another serf
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    Bankers are notorious for their banking cheating strategies. FIFY

    Replies: @Corvinus

  143. @peterike
    Speaking of all this, every year like clockwork the media brings us a story about some black kid that got into all the Ivy League schools (no collusion there or anything of course). But has anyone ever done a follow-up on one of these people? What did they end up doing? Curing cancer while engineering a speed-of-light spaceship? I mean, since getting into all the Ivies MUST mean you're like top 0.0001% in amazingness, shouldn't we see great things from them?

    I don't know, maybe they have done great things, but I've never seen anyone even ask the obvious "whatever happened to?" question.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes

    Speaking of all this, every year like clockwork the media brings us a story about some black kid that got into all the Ivy League schools (no collusion there or anything of course). But has anyone ever done a follow-up on one of these people? What did they end up doing?

    Here’s one.

    Oakland Teen Wows With 5.0 GPA and 2100 SAT Score

    https://www.theroot.com/oakland-teen-wows-with-5-0-gpa-and-2100-sat-score-1790875224

    QUOTE:
    Appearance hasn’t stopped schools like Yale, Brown, Columbia, Northwestern, the University of Southern California, UCLA, Howard, Chapman and more from courting the teenager, who also plays three instruments and is a great baseball player. According to KGO-TV, Yale is talking to him about possibly joining its baseball team.

    Akintunde has his heart set on either Yale or Brown and is interested in pursuing premed or prelaw.
    END QUOTE

    He decided to become a professional SJW instead:

    The Bleak Truth Behind My ‘Inspiring’ Path From Oakland to Yale
    When I decided to attend Yale five years ago, people held me up as an example of a black student who “beat the odds.” I wish they were more curious about why my brother wound up in prison instead.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/09/i-went-yale-my-brother-went-prison/597730/

    https://www.cjr.org/author/akintunde-ahmad

    That was not such a dumb move, given our current lunatic environment.

  144. @bomag
    @notsaying


    “This plant would be crippled if we relied on workers.”
     
    This calculation has been made nationwide: cheaper to expand the welfare state than try to cram negative utility people into a job. Works as long as there are wealth generating entities casting off enough money to fund it all.

    Replies: @notsaying

    But a lot of good workers will be laid off too as automation continues. There will not be enough jobs for all the competent people. The number of unemployed will be beyond what you and I could ever imagine. Who is going to pay for all these people? Will they be content on the sidelines? What about the resentment of those still working?

    Many challenges lie ahead. I am very concerned.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  145. @Alice in Wonderland



    “If people say they can’t find the talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”
     
    it's almost like

    “If people say they can’t find citizen talent, they either aren’t looking hard enough or don’t want to find it.”

    the difference being, of course, that there demonstrably is citizen talent just as there demonstrably is not a lot of black talent.

    How many blacks with college degrees and no criminal record are just unemployed and can't get hired?

    This is a fair question that lies at the heart of this discussion.

    Replies: @Muggles

    How many blacks with college degrees and no criminal record are just unemployed and can’t get hired?

    This is a fair question that lies at the heart of this discussion.

    Excellent!

    And a few more questions often found (when not outlawed) on hiring filters, now or past.

    How high is your credit rating score?
    How many tax liens?
    How many civil lawsuits filed against you?
    How long have you been married? (How many children if not married now?)
    Did you pass your drug test?
    Are any of your criminal records “sealed’?
    If in the military, were you honorably discharged?
    Do you have any immediate family members currently or recently incarcerated?

    You might still be hired but you’d have to “explain” if your answers were not the good kind.

    Some of these may still be used for law enforcement or high security jobs. Banks are very tough, normally (tellers, etc.).

    When I was hired for my first job (at the then world’s largest CPA firm) I know they checked into everything above (all were N/A, or no). They even paid for investigators to visit the town where my parents lived, interviewed them and probably neighbors (I never lived there myself). This was for an entry level staff job.

    The old Mafia wouldn’t let anyone with a law enforcement employed relative become an associate. Likewise in large cities with Mafia, no “connected” family members were hired as police, etc.

    Even 1% outlaw motorcycle clubs now do exhaustive background checks on probationary members.

    Employment just a few decades ago wasn’t considered part of the welfare system.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Muggles


    Likewise in large cities with Mafia, no “connected” family members were hired as police, etc.
     
    According to regulation, OK, but not in reality.
  146. The black critics (Black!) of CEOs who complain that there isn’t enough proven black executive talent always dismiss this as a cop-out or excuse. “Of course, you didn’t look hard enough!”

    Yet the NBA and NFL are extremely lopsided re: black vs. non black talent.

    The few white NBA players have mainly been hired from Europe, Canada or Australia, S. America, etc.

    Since these sports are extremely talent driven and single minded about performance, would these same black critics of CEO hiring simply argue that these sports teams aren’t searching for non black talent hard enough? Is it the result of poor searching or search results?

    “They just don’t scout BYU like they do Alabama.”

  147. @Reg Cæsar

    Finally, a CEO Points Out: There Is a Very Limited Pool of Black Talent
     
    If only King Dakodomou of Dahomey was this honest 400 years ago.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Adahoonzou was brutally honest about it, but perhaps too late to make a difference.

  148. @Jesse
    In fairness, you could make the case that the jobs colored people and/or women feel trapped in in these institutions, should be better paid and respected. In light of the Great Depression, is a master of the universe trader really more valuable than, say, an Anti Money Laundering investigator? If nothing else, more respect and money would blunt their revolutionary impulses.

    A lot of right leaning men can't seem to get past their inherent sympathy for White (or Indian or Chinese) male workaholics, even when they're actively making society worse, and the people you need to reach like the middle managers and pink ghetto types a lot more. It's no better than the Trucon bromides about capitalism. The masters of the universe are not admirable and they're certainly not your friends. Why is everyone defending them over the lower down people in the institution? Are your racism and misogyny so entrenched that you can't even consider making alliances with professionals who don't share your skin colour and private parts?

    Replies: @epochehusserl

    Why is everyone defending them over the lower down people in the institution? Are your racism and misogyny so entrenched that you can’t even consider making alliances with professionals who don’t share your skin colour and private parts?
    —————————-
    Does the accusation of racism and sexism ever get tiresome? Can you point to a time in history that people were not racist or sexist? Can you explain to me why these words didn’t exist prior to 1960? Is America’s history really more racist and sexist than any other history? Why does the entirety of your argument center on your calling people these names? Do you have any cogent arguments that do not lead to these arguments? The answer is because this is your religion. You have no history, morals or culture other than calling people these names. How about this for an explanation – you are a jackass and we fundamentally disagree on the purpose of social organization.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @epochehusserl

    All of your questions are of course interesting and insightful.

    If we lived in some sort of abstract terrarium, they could all be pondered and answered abstractly, in due course of time.

    But, sadly, we live in the world we have, and the subject and/or answer to nearly all these questions, starts with a J, and ends with a EWS.

    Hey, I don't make the problems, I just study them. If the honest answer was different, then I'd give you that other answer, but it isn't that other one, it's this one.

  149. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Thomas

    I know a guy with some talent

    https://i.ibb.co/3WJxLCw/Screenshot-20200923-001934-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    “Your lordship, I have the just the man to run your streets. May I present your Street Czar, named Dre, sire?”

  150. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    From the Claremont Independent, Heather Mac Donald's favorite college student newspaper:

    Pitzer BSU [Black Student Union] Address Asks For Changes In Hiring, Admissions, And More

    https://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-bsu-address-asks-for-changes-in-hiring-admissions-and-more/

    The list of demands “call[s] for active recruitment of Black faculty and staff,” the “aggressive recruitment of Black students,” ...

    “In order for Black students to feel more at home at Pitzer, we are calling for aggressive recruitment of Black students to be initiated immediately at Pitzer College. There should be proportional representation of minority students for the 2021-22 academic year and every year following. These classes should include a proportional number of Black students, Latinx students, Asian students, and other minority group members...."
     
    Unfortunately, although Pitzer is in the top ten or twenty in various liberal arts rankings, it's not an Ivy League and not as well known, so they offer blacks the equivalent academic mismatch of an Ivy, but without the clear signalling that graduating from an Ivy offers.

    The WE-DEMANDers seem to know their demands are "problematic," but they don't recognize the turtles-all-the-way-down situation in its entirety:

    The Black Students at Pitzer College have heard many times that Pitzer does not receive many Black applicants ...
     
    Their proposed solutions:

    -- Partner with scholarship programs that identify and send blacks to college (this doesn't recognize that these scholarship programs themselves are in demand from colleges), and at great expense send recruiting teams to hundreds of ghetto high schools filled with knucklehead blacks and try to discover a black diamond in the rough somewhere ... and hope he comes to Pitzer.

    -- Money, money. Give black studends money, pay for everything for every black students. This is the classic "Free stuff from white people" solution, but again, everyone else is doing it.

    -- Never ever give black students bad grades or expel them or discipline them or fail to advance them. Classify everything that a black student does or does not do and negatively impacts him as a mental health problem caused by racism.

    -- Turn Pitzer into a HBCU, in effect, by making everything in the environment pleasing to blacks (who don't have great academic records, so who don't appreciate simple, rigorous academics).

    I wonder what their proposed solution is for this: "White students tend to dominate the classroom and Black students and other students of color are often spoken over or remain silent. This is an example of the daily microaggressions and racist practices that take place in the classroom." Somehow I think that just telling white students to shut up is not going to suddenly cause black students to erupt with perspicacious loquaciousness. I'm sure the solution will involve hiring more black administrators, mandatory training and struggle sessions, replacement of white faculty, and so on ... and then the situation will still not have changed.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kas6Kcb4dHztAgH5QK-iKCYHHZpeq0CHUPVTiqxuKqM/mobilebasic

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker

    I wonder what their proposed solution is for this: “White students tend to dominate the classroom and Black students and other students of color are often spoken over or remain silent

    Bring enough urban black diamonds in the rough to Pitzer and that problem will solve itself. Then we can read a different document moaning about “white flight from Pitzer”.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

  151. @Corvinus
    The most reasonable excuse by white Wells Fargo big wigs not to hire blacks who are talented is that those bosses would finally be held accountable for their business practices. Whites are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/business/wells-fargo-settlement.amp.html

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Bankers are notorious for their banking cheating strategies. FIFY

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hibernian

    You mean bankers who are white are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    Hate fact --> More than 80% of executives at Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley are white.

    Hate fact --> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    I mean, I am white, and I distrust whites in those particular positions. That's just being a race realist, right? It's our inherent, predatory nature.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @res

  152. @Muggles
    @Alice in Wonderland


    How many blacks with college degrees and no criminal record are just unemployed and can’t get hired?

    This is a fair question that lies at the heart of this discussion.
     

    Excellent!

    And a few more questions often found (when not outlawed) on hiring filters, now or past.

    How high is your credit rating score?
    How many tax liens?
    How many civil lawsuits filed against you?
    How long have you been married? (How many children if not married now?)
    Did you pass your drug test?
    Are any of your criminal records "sealed'?
    If in the military, were you honorably discharged?
    Do you have any immediate family members currently or recently incarcerated?

    You might still be hired but you'd have to "explain" if your answers were not the good kind.

    Some of these may still be used for law enforcement or high security jobs. Banks are very tough, normally (tellers, etc.).

    When I was hired for my first job (at the then world's largest CPA firm) I know they checked into everything above (all were N/A, or no). They even paid for investigators to visit the town where my parents lived, interviewed them and probably neighbors (I never lived there myself). This was for an entry level staff job.

    The old Mafia wouldn't let anyone with a law enforcement employed relative become an associate. Likewise in large cities with Mafia, no "connected" family members were hired as police, etc.

    Even 1% outlaw motorcycle clubs now do exhaustive background checks on probationary members.

    Employment just a few decades ago wasn't considered part of the welfare system.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Likewise in large cities with Mafia, no “connected” family members were hired as police, etc.

    According to regulation, OK, but not in reality.

  153. @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    Bankers are notorious for their banking cheating strategies. FIFY

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You mean bankers who are white are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    Hate fact –> More than 80% of executives at Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley are white.

    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    I mean, I am white, and I distrust whites in those particular positions. That’s just being a race realist, right? It’s our inherent, predatory nature.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    Studies have shown
     
    "Studies have shown" is a preface for "I have no way to substantiate the blather that follows, and I'm too stupid to find the obvious errors in these 'studies'"

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @res
    @Corvinus


    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.
     
    Care to provide a reference? Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    The interesting thing to observe in Table 43 is that blacks commit crimes disproportionately in all categories except for alcohol related offenses.

    P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    Send Blacks back to live in the rural South.

    No way should they live in the inner cities. Too many distractions, too much anonymity, and too many opportunities for trouble.

    Blacks need to spend fewer Friday nights at urban night clubs. It'd be preferable if they spent their weekend nights sitting in quiet rooms with their families, away from music, parties, girls, and debauchery.

    Black people have way too much fun. Their lives need to be more boring. They need social isolation and quietness.

    Replies: @Elli, @DCThrowback, @Urufufu, @tyrone

    So what ,are we going to have to start locking the chicken house?

  155. @Ari Silver
    American 1% sticking it in the back of white men.

    Replies: @Georgia

    Please! Any Crackhead can be a brain surgeon if not for YT holding them back!….Science done proved this along with “Climate Change” and Mask wearing to save Granny from you murdering her from your breathing….

    The Head of Wells Fargo there needs to step aside and give a “yute” a chance….As the saying goes “A low IQ mind is a terrible thing to waste” and “We aren’t just looking for a hand out we’re looking to take your bank account” — by deadly force if necessary YT….Happy early Kwanza homeys!

  156. @Yancey Ward
    Wells Fargo should hire some Nigerians that work from home.

    Replies: @SMK, @Reg Cæsar

    Wells Fargo should hire some Nigerians that work from home.

    They probably already do. Knowingly, or otherwise.

    How the US caught flashy Nigerian Instagrammers ‘with $40m’

    They are accused of impersonating legitimate employees of various US companies in "business email compromise" (BEC) schemes and tricking the recipients into wiring millions of dollars into their own accounts…

    In one case, a foreign financial institution allegedly lost $14.7m in a cyber-heist where the money ended up in hushpuppi's bank accounts in multiple countries.
    The affidavit also alleged that he was involved in a scheme to steal $124m from an unnamed English Premier League team.

  157. @Intelligent Dasein
    I've mentioned this analogy before, but this is exactly like when Don Fanucci forced Mr. Abbandando to give Vito's job to his incompetent nephew, and we all know what happened after that. The only reason that this has been tolerated as long as it has is because the economy is so distorted and corporations and universities are so flush with cash that it makes more sense to keep quiet about the crime of warehousing blacks rather than to jeopardize one's own fragile position within the social structure wherein almost all the remaining good jobs are sinecures or at least hybrid sinecures, and even most middle class white people are holding made-up jobs and lack any real talent commensurate with their income levels; but this is all going to change once those "good jobs" are in short supply and white people start fighting to get them for their own incompetent children rather than for their incompetent black mascots. It is all one faction of incompetents versus another; we need not nurture the forlorn hope that "merit" will attain its rightful place until we return to a hard money system.

    I do not believe that race itself is a social construct, but racial quotas are entirely social constructs and the whole wretched system that supports them is downstream from neoliberal economics.

    Replies: @Lurker

    I do not believe that race itself is a social construct, but racial quotas are entirely social constructs

    Thanks, thats a great line, I’ll be using it elsewhere.

  158. @Anon
    From the Claremont Independent, Heather Mac Donald's favorite college student newspaper:

    Pitzer BSU [Black Student Union] Address Asks For Changes In Hiring, Admissions, And More

    https://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-bsu-address-asks-for-changes-in-hiring-admissions-and-more/

    The list of demands “call[s] for active recruitment of Black faculty and staff,” the “aggressive recruitment of Black students,” ...

    “In order for Black students to feel more at home at Pitzer, we are calling for aggressive recruitment of Black students to be initiated immediately at Pitzer College. There should be proportional representation of minority students for the 2021-22 academic year and every year following. These classes should include a proportional number of Black students, Latinx students, Asian students, and other minority group members...."
     
    Unfortunately, although Pitzer is in the top ten or twenty in various liberal arts rankings, it's not an Ivy League and not as well known, so they offer blacks the equivalent academic mismatch of an Ivy, but without the clear signalling that graduating from an Ivy offers.

    The WE-DEMANDers seem to know their demands are "problematic," but they don't recognize the turtles-all-the-way-down situation in its entirety:

    The Black Students at Pitzer College have heard many times that Pitzer does not receive many Black applicants ...
     
    Their proposed solutions:

    -- Partner with scholarship programs that identify and send blacks to college (this doesn't recognize that these scholarship programs themselves are in demand from colleges), and at great expense send recruiting teams to hundreds of ghetto high schools filled with knucklehead blacks and try to discover a black diamond in the rough somewhere ... and hope he comes to Pitzer.

    -- Money, money. Give black studends money, pay for everything for every black students. This is the classic "Free stuff from white people" solution, but again, everyone else is doing it.

    -- Never ever give black students bad grades or expel them or discipline them or fail to advance them. Classify everything that a black student does or does not do and negatively impacts him as a mental health problem caused by racism.

    -- Turn Pitzer into a HBCU, in effect, by making everything in the environment pleasing to blacks (who don't have great academic records, so who don't appreciate simple, rigorous academics).

    I wonder what their proposed solution is for this: "White students tend to dominate the classroom and Black students and other students of color are often spoken over or remain silent. This is an example of the daily microaggressions and racist practices that take place in the classroom." Somehow I think that just telling white students to shut up is not going to suddenly cause black students to erupt with perspicacious loquaciousness. I'm sure the solution will involve hiring more black administrators, mandatory training and struggle sessions, replacement of white faculty, and so on ... and then the situation will still not have changed.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kas6Kcb4dHztAgH5QK-iKCYHHZpeq0CHUPVTiqxuKqM/mobilebasic

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker

    The Pitz.

  159. @Anonymous Jew
    @AnotherDad

    #1 would be to stop teaching them to resent and blame Whites for everything, which in turn would help with their behavioral issues that affect every aspect of their lives. An 85 IQ doesn’t necessarily lead people - of all races - to thuggery.

    Replies: @Escher

    You do see friction when populations of differing IQ live together, some of which is no doubt due to resentment at the success of the higher achieving community.
    Malaysia: Malays/Chinese
    Indonesia: Indonesians/Chinese
    East Africa: Africans/Indians
    Fiji: Pacific Islanders/Indians

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Escher

    Also

    Yugoslavia: Serbs/Slovenians

    Kazakhstan: Kazakhs/Ethnic Russians

    Italy: southern Italians/Northern Italians

    USA: Scotch Irish/Puritans

    Replies: @Anonymous

  160. @Escher
    @Anonymous Jew

    You do see friction when populations of differing IQ live together, some of which is no doubt due to resentment at the success of the higher achieving community.
    Malaysia: Malays/Chinese
    Indonesia: Indonesians/Chinese
    East Africa: Africans/Indians
    Fiji: Pacific Islanders/Indians

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Also

    Yugoslavia: Serbs/Slovenians

    Kazakhstan: Kazakhs/Ethnic Russians

    Italy: southern Italians/Northern Italians

    USA: Scotch Irish/Puritans

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Richest family in the US Scots Irish, the Waltons.

    Majority of early US presidents as well, no resentment whatsoever in the south of Puritans, Yankees until the war, and that was traditional hatred of invaders, centralized power.

    Replies: @Flip

  161. @AndrewR
    @NickG

    I'm not sure why one would expect to find any engineers on the boards of directors of any corporations not involved in engineering.

    I also don't really get your fixation on 130. I think once you get above 120 or so, you get rapidly diminishing marginal returns on increasing IQ. Probably negative marginal returns in most fields. Things like conscientiousness, work ethic, charisma, etc are probably much more important to career success and many other things once you get above 120ish.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton, @A British Indian

    The Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and the Duke Talent Identification Project have shown this to be false. The top 0.01% (IQ of 156 or above) of the population are far more accomplished than the top 1% (IQ > 135), for instance.

  162. @The King is a Fink
    @CCZ

    The locals wanted a job, not work. There is a difference.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    They actually just wanted to “get paid, yo.”

  163. @jim jones
    @CCZ

    The Protestant work ethic is actually pretty rare, most cultures have a "manana" attitude to life

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    “I’ve got no use for a man who’s never been snowed upon.”

    “Give me Swedes, snuff and whiskey, and I’ll build a railroad through hell.”

    19th Century railroad tycoon James J. Hill

  164. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Warthog
    I know a fellow at Caltech who tells me that they can't keep capable Blacks because Stanford hires them all away.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Hannah Katz, @Anonymous

    This strikes me as an issue of not even Caltech being able to pay enough to combat California craziness. It strikes me that if I were a black science guy at the Caltech faculty level, I’d want to stay away from “woke” BS as much as I can – so Caltech would be better than Stanford, by far. So, if black dudes at Caltech are departing for Stanford (“woke central”), this suggests they are trying to remedy real financial issues.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Anonymous

    More money and and less pressure, who would want that?

    Remember the mini-controversy over that black math professor who left Purdue for Pomona College who blamed racism for his and other black's lack of progress in the field. He blamed every perceived slight, such as two mathematicians well into a discussion not wanting to bring him up to speed, as racism.

    When you dig down in the comments section, you saw that we wasn't that good as a mathematician. He was basically given tenure because of his programs to try and get more blacks into math.

    Staying at Caltech means having less tolerance for you not producing compared to your peers while being the token black at a historically woke college means never having to worry about your performance - just don't try screwing the undergrads.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/us/edray-goins-black-mathematicians.html

    Replies: @Art Deco

  165. @epochehusserl
    @Jesse

    Why is everyone defending them over the lower down people in the institution? Are your racism and misogyny so entrenched that you can’t even consider making alliances with professionals who don’t share your skin colour and private parts?
    ----------------------------
    Does the accusation of racism and sexism ever get tiresome? Can you point to a time in history that people were not racist or sexist? Can you explain to me why these words didn't exist prior to 1960? Is America's history really more racist and sexist than any other history? Why does the entirety of your argument center on your calling people these names? Do you have any cogent arguments that do not lead to these arguments? The answer is because this is your religion. You have no history, morals or culture other than calling people these names. How about this for an explanation - you are a jackass and we fundamentally disagree on the purpose of social organization.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    All of your questions are of course interesting and insightful.

    If we lived in some sort of abstract terrarium, they could all be pondered and answered abstractly, in due course of time.

    But, sadly, we live in the world we have, and the subject and/or answer to nearly all these questions, starts with a J, and ends with a EWS.

    Hey, I don’t make the problems, I just study them. If the honest answer was different, then I’d give you that other answer, but it isn’t that other one, it’s this one.

  166. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Escher

    Also

    Yugoslavia: Serbs/Slovenians

    Kazakhstan: Kazakhs/Ethnic Russians

    Italy: southern Italians/Northern Italians

    USA: Scotch Irish/Puritans

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Richest family in the US Scots Irish, the Waltons.

    Majority of early US presidents as well, no resentment whatsoever in the south of Puritans, Yankees until the war, and that was traditional hatred of invaders, centralized power.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    Mellons as well

  167. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    In the ’70s, Arthur Jensen found that in black children there’s less of a correlation (and in Asian-American children more of a correlation) between general intelligence (g) and something he calls “Level I ability,” which could be summarized as rote memorization ability. (This has mostly not been looked at since.) This would make high-g black kids harder to identify. You might predict it would lead to a larger percentage of smart black people who can honestly say their talents weren’t easily recognized, they had to fight for respect and recognition, and then they went on to succeed and prove the doubters wrong. (PDF: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED060577.pdf)

    It also means that you can lower the IQ gap on your abilities test by including more questions which actually test memorization ability and not g. So test designers trying to make their tests “less discriminatory” have done this. Which has made it even more difficult to identify high-g black kids. Who are of course the group most hurt by this practice (just as low-g black kids are the group whose scores this practice most inflates and is intended to).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    What is rote memorization ability good for in corporate America if you've got mediocre IQ?

    , @res
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. More on Level I and II abilities in this 1980 paper.
    Level I and level II abilities in Asian, white, and black children
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0160289680900057

  168. @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, "major " depository commercial bank in The United States. Dimon of Chase is greek and there have been Italians at Bank America, but in the evolving 5-10 largest depository institutions it was a first.

    People in the old America simply wouldnt trust their money was safe being the most obvious explanation.


    Goldman is more or less a brokerage firm with a corporate advisory unit and a minimal asset management franchise with exceptionally poor performance historically. ( fees )
    GS stock price is unchanged in 14 years. Was a bankruptcy absent the TARP bailouts from exposure to AIG. Morgan Stanley their now significantly larger rival, early in 09 sold large stake in the company to Japanese conglomerate Mitsubishi UFJ Bank and while stressed did not ultimately need the capital.

    Stan O'Neal, a black man led then Brokerage firm and I bank Merrill Lynch and more or less bankrupted the place in 08 and 09 not unlike Bear Stearns, Lehman etc.

    Replies: @Flip, @kaganovitch

    Richard Rosenberg was CEO of Bank of America

  169. @Corvinus
    @Hibernian

    You mean bankers who are white are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    Hate fact --> More than 80% of executives at Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley are white.

    Hate fact --> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    I mean, I am white, and I distrust whites in those particular positions. That's just being a race realist, right? It's our inherent, predatory nature.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @res

    Studies have shown

    “Studies have shown” is a preface for “I have no way to substantiate the blather that follows, and I’m too stupid to find the obvious errors in these ‘studies’”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @William Badwhite

    "“Studies have shown” is a preface for.."

    offering evidence to support a position. I get it, you would rather read old Dagwood and Blondie cartoon strips, which is in your intellectual wheelhouse, rather than become more educated on a topic.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  170. @ic1000
    @CCZ

    CCZ, why did you bring up that boring local story about the self-made company CEO in Camden who is trying as hard as he can, yet struggling to find and retain competent black workers? The NBC story in the OP was about Wells Fargo, and never mentioned Holtec. That means there is no relevance. None.

    I definitely certainly don’t want to think about how the two stories might be connected. I trust the NBC News reporters and editors, if there was anything interesting, they would have noticed and pointed it out.

    Your comment was off topic, and bad. Definitely. Certainly.

    Replies: @Tim Smith

    self-made company CEO in Camden

    Krishna “Kris” Singh, the CEO and president of Holtec is not a self-made company CEO. Indians get every bit as much affirmative action as blacks, hispanics and everyone else who is not a heterosexual white man does. Remember the largest group of affirmative action recipients is white women.

    I also feel very safe in guessing that the Holtec factory in Camden was paid for by some combination of federal, state and local funds. Why else would they locate in Camden? Even in “nice” cities and suburbs corporations expect the taxpayers to subsidize them. People rightfully criticize taxpayers funding sports stadiums but will never criticize taxpayers funding non-sports corporations.

  171. @Corvinus
    @Hibernian

    You mean bankers who are white are notorious for their banking cheating strategies.

    Hate fact --> More than 80% of executives at Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley are white.

    Hate fact --> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    I mean, I am white, and I distrust whites in those particular positions. That's just being a race realist, right? It's our inherent, predatory nature.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @res

    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    Care to provide a reference? Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    The interesting thing to observe in Table 43 is that blacks commit crimes disproportionately in all categories except for alcohol related offenses.

    P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @res

    "Care to provide a reference?"

    https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199925513.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199925513-e-6


    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds. Most have some higher education, are married, and have moderate to strong ties to community, family, and religious organizations. White-collar offenders usually have a criminal history, including infractions that span the spectrum of illegality, but many do not overindulge in vice. Recent research examining the five-factor personality trait model determined that white-collar offenders tend to be more neurotic and less agreeable and conscientious than their non-criminal counterparts. Type A personality research could hold promise, but it has yet to be thoroughly examined.
     
    http://jaapl.org/content/34/1/82

    We examined the clinical, criminal, and sociodemographic characteristics of all white‐collar crime defendants referred to the evaluation unit of a state center for forensic psychiatry. With 29,310 evaluations in a 12‐year period, we found 70 defendants charged with embezzlement, 3 with health care fraud, and no other white‐collar defendants (based on the eight crimes widely accepted as white‐collar offenses). In a case‐control study design, the 70 embezzlement cases were compared with 73 defendants charged with other forms of nonviolent theft. White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants. Logistic regression modeling showed that the variance in the relationship between unipolar depression and white‐collar crime was more economically accounted for by education, race, and substance abuse.

    ...

    In the late 1980s Wheeler et al.2 studied the presentencing investigative reports of 1,342 persons convicted of the eight white collar crimes in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, and Baltimore. They compared these subjects to a sample of other persons convicted of federal crimes and to the general public. Results showed that white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, male, white, older, and financially “well off” and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants. When compared with the general public, white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, and older and to have prior convictions. They were less likely to be financially “well off.”
     

    "Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect."

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    --for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    --for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    --for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.


    "P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better."

    Thanks for the ad hominem.

    Replies: @res

  172. And as an example, a very nasty presentation of Murray by the paper, Crimson, from his (indignant) Alma mater Harvard.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/9/24/charles-murray-gov-50/

    They have no shame to cite widely discredited SPLC and lie about the fact that race differences in IQ are fully established while the cause of it still is midly controversial.

  173. Or more precisely, they present the claim in a way that makes impossible to infer for someone not versed into those question that the fact of the difference is well established.

    Also they occult the 100% environement hypothesis because what they want is discredit the fact of the difference itself

    Very desingenuous

  174. @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, "major " depository commercial bank in The United States. Dimon of Chase is greek and there have been Italians at Bank America, but in the evolving 5-10 largest depository institutions it was a first.

    People in the old America simply wouldnt trust their money was safe being the most obvious explanation.


    Goldman is more or less a brokerage firm with a corporate advisory unit and a minimal asset management franchise with exceptionally poor performance historically. ( fees )
    GS stock price is unchanged in 14 years. Was a bankruptcy absent the TARP bailouts from exposure to AIG. Morgan Stanley their now significantly larger rival, early in 09 sold large stake in the company to Japanese conglomerate Mitsubishi UFJ Bank and while stressed did not ultimately need the capital.

    Stan O'Neal, a black man led then Brokerage firm and I bank Merrill Lynch and more or less bankrupted the place in 08 and 09 not unlike Bear Stearns, Lehman etc.

    Replies: @Flip, @kaganovitch

    In fact Scharf is the first jewish person to lead a, “major ” depository commercial bank in The United States.

    Not so. Sandy Weill was Ceo of Citi for 10 years. Walter Shipley of Chemical then Chase was halachically Jewish. Even Bob Rubin was Ceo of Citi for a couple of months.

  175. If you look at occupations where licensing and certification examinations are common, the black share of the workforce is generally 4%-8% (with some exceptions like dentistry, where blacks make up < 1% of the total, and veterinary medicine, which has almost no blacks). The % of working blacks who report income from self-employment is about the same (and about 1/2 that of the other coarse racial categories)

    The employers in question have a problem that is like many others: imposed by lawyers to the extent it is not self-induced.

  176. Whenever well-meaning people talk of how to fix things (that really can’t be fixed) I think of this strip from Mad Magazine:

    [img]https://i.imgur.com/rcpgxv3.jpg[/img]

  177. @Anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Richest family in the US Scots Irish, the Waltons.

    Majority of early US presidents as well, no resentment whatsoever in the south of Puritans, Yankees until the war, and that was traditional hatred of invaders, centralized power.

    Replies: @Flip

    Mellons as well

  178. @Anonymous
    In the '70s, Arthur Jensen found that in black children there's less of a correlation (and in Asian-American children more of a correlation) between general intelligence (g) and something he calls "Level I ability," which could be summarized as rote memorization ability. (This has mostly not been looked at since.) This would make high-g black kids harder to identify. You might predict it would lead to a larger percentage of smart black people who can honestly say their talents weren't easily recognized, they had to fight for respect and recognition, and then they went on to succeed and prove the doubters wrong. (PDF: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED060577.pdf)

    It also means that you can lower the IQ gap on your abilities test by including more questions which actually test memorization ability and not g. So test designers trying to make their tests "less discriminatory" have done this. Which has made it even more difficult to identify high-g black kids. Who are of course the group most hurt by this practice (just as low-g black kids are the group whose scores this practice most inflates and is intended to).

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @res

    What is rote memorization ability good for in corporate America if you’ve got mediocre IQ?

  179. @Anonymous
    @Warthog

    This strikes me as an issue of not even Caltech being able to pay enough to combat California craziness. It strikes me that if I were a black science guy at the Caltech faculty level, I'd want to stay away from "woke" BS as much as I can - so Caltech would be better than Stanford, by far. So, if black dudes at Caltech are departing for Stanford ("woke central"), this suggests they are trying to remedy real financial issues.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    More money and and less pressure, who would want that?

    Remember the mini-controversy over that black math professor who left Purdue for Pomona College who blamed racism for his and other black’s lack of progress in the field. He blamed every perceived slight, such as two mathematicians well into a discussion not wanting to bring him up to speed, as racism.

    When you dig down in the comments section, you saw that we wasn’t that good as a mathematician. He was basically given tenure because of his programs to try and get more blacks into math.

    Staying at Caltech means having less tolerance for you not producing compared to your peers while being the token black at a historically woke college means never having to worry about your performance – just don’t try screwing the undergrads.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/us/edray-goins-black-mathematicians.html

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @MarkinLA

    When you dig down in the comments section, you saw that we wasn’t that good as a mathematician. He was basically given tenure because of his programs to try and get more blacks into math.

    It's a reasonable wager he was hired at Perdue - a research university that was foundationally devoted to technology, physical science, mathematics, and statistics - because he was black. Which, in turn, diverted him from being hired by an institution with which he might have been satisfactorily matched. That might conceivably be Pomona or it might be another teaching institution (public or private) one ratchet down.

  180. @Anonymous
    In the '70s, Arthur Jensen found that in black children there's less of a correlation (and in Asian-American children more of a correlation) between general intelligence (g) and something he calls "Level I ability," which could be summarized as rote memorization ability. (This has mostly not been looked at since.) This would make high-g black kids harder to identify. You might predict it would lead to a larger percentage of smart black people who can honestly say their talents weren't easily recognized, they had to fight for respect and recognition, and then they went on to succeed and prove the doubters wrong. (PDF: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED060577.pdf)

    It also means that you can lower the IQ gap on your abilities test by including more questions which actually test memorization ability and not g. So test designers trying to make their tests "less discriminatory" have done this. Which has made it even more difficult to identify high-g black kids. Who are of course the group most hurt by this practice (just as low-g black kids are the group whose scores this practice most inflates and is intended to).

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @res

    Thanks. More on Level I and II abilities in this 1980 paper.
    Level I and level II abilities in Asian, white, and black children
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0160289680900057

  181. @Jesse
    @AnotherDad

    Careful. With this logic, there CAN'T be discrimination against White flyover men because why would companies leave talent on the table? And where are the world beating businesses they're setting up?

    Replies: @Some Guy

    The most ambitious people of all races move to the big cities, no? Warren Buffet was born in Nebraska for example.

  182. @MarkinLA
    @Anonymous

    More money and and less pressure, who would want that?

    Remember the mini-controversy over that black math professor who left Purdue for Pomona College who blamed racism for his and other black's lack of progress in the field. He blamed every perceived slight, such as two mathematicians well into a discussion not wanting to bring him up to speed, as racism.

    When you dig down in the comments section, you saw that we wasn't that good as a mathematician. He was basically given tenure because of his programs to try and get more blacks into math.

    Staying at Caltech means having less tolerance for you not producing compared to your peers while being the token black at a historically woke college means never having to worry about your performance - just don't try screwing the undergrads.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/us/edray-goins-black-mathematicians.html

    Replies: @Art Deco

    When you dig down in the comments section, you saw that we wasn’t that good as a mathematician. He was basically given tenure because of his programs to try and get more blacks into math.

    It’s a reasonable wager he was hired at Perdue – a research university that was foundationally devoted to technology, physical science, mathematics, and statistics – because he was black. Which, in turn, diverted him from being hired by an institution with which he might have been satisfactorily matched. That might conceivably be Pomona or it might be another teaching institution (public or private) one ratchet down.

  183. @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    Studies have shown
     
    "Studies have shown" is a preface for "I have no way to substantiate the blather that follows, and I'm too stupid to find the obvious errors in these 'studies'"

    Replies: @Corvinus

    ““Studies have shown” is a preface for..”

    offering evidence to support a position. I get it, you would rather read old Dagwood and Blondie cartoon strips, which is in your intellectual wheelhouse, rather than become more educated on a topic.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    offering evidence to support a position.
     
    You didn't offer evidence, you made a baseless assertion. Offering evidence would have included a citation, even a link to a study (ideally a study you've read, which is unlikely; or even better one that you understand, which is impossible). But you didn't, you merely asserted. Which is the type of thing done by mediocrities trying to impress their betters. Alas you have, as you so often do, failed.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  184. @res
    @Corvinus


    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.
     
    Care to provide a reference? Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    The interesting thing to observe in Table 43 is that blacks commit crimes disproportionately in all categories except for alcohol related offenses.

    P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Care to provide a reference?”

    https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199925513.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199925513-e-6

    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds. Most have some higher education, are married, and have moderate to strong ties to community, family, and religious organizations. White-collar offenders usually have a criminal history, including infractions that span the spectrum of illegality, but many do not overindulge in vice. Recent research examining the five-factor personality trait model determined that white-collar offenders tend to be more neurotic and less agreeable and conscientious than their non-criminal counterparts. Type A personality research could hold promise, but it has yet to be thoroughly examined.

    http://jaapl.org/content/34/1/82

    We examined the clinical, criminal, and sociodemographic characteristics of all white‐collar crime defendants referred to the evaluation unit of a state center for forensic psychiatry. With 29,310 evaluations in a 12‐year period, we found 70 defendants charged with embezzlement, 3 with health care fraud, and no other white‐collar defendants (based on the eight crimes widely accepted as white‐collar offenses). In a case‐control study design, the 70 embezzlement cases were compared with 73 defendants charged with other forms of nonviolent theft. White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants. Logistic regression modeling showed that the variance in the relationship between unipolar depression and white‐collar crime was more economically accounted for by education, race, and substance abuse.

    In the late 1980s Wheeler et al.2 studied the presentencing investigative reports of 1,342 persons convicted of the eight white collar crimes in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, and Baltimore. They compared these subjects to a sample of other persons convicted of federal crimes and to the general public. Results showed that white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, male, white, older, and financially “well off” and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants. When compared with the general public, white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, and older and to have prior convictions. They were less likely to be financially “well off.”

    “Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.”

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    –for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    –for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    –for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.

    “P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.”

    Thanks for the ad hominem.

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus


    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds.

     

    That says nothing about relative white and black rates of white collar crime. You really do need to do better. In fact, if you troubled yourself to look at the full text of your reference you would have found the informative excerpt I include after the MORE. Be sure to remember that statements like "white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses" do not require whites to commit those crimes disproportionately (because whites are ~70% of US population and blacks are ~13%).

    I so enjoy it when people give me references which support my points more than theirs.

    White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants.
     
    Ah, now I see. I needed to read your original statement more carefully. Here it is again with emphasis.

    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.
     
    So let's look at Poortinga et al. more closely. My first observation is their sample is based on psychiatric evaluation. That hardly seems representative. My second observation is that they only have 70 cases over 12 years so a rather small sample. Contrast that with 11,637, 28387, and 3,955 arrests of blacks for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively in 2018 alone.

    Looking at Table 1 we see 12/70 = 17% of cases (white collar criminals) are black while 29/73 = 40% of controls (other crimes) are black. Michigan is 14% black, so both of those numbers indicate blacks are disproportionately represented. Though the significant differences with the more comprehensive FBI statistics emphasize my concern about the sampling.

    The Wheeler reference is actually a bit more on point, but it is 33 years old. It is also notable that they don't break out blacks separately so we can't make a direct comparison of whites vs. blacks. Only whites vs. non-whites.

    I think it is clear that the FBI data is superior for showing that blacks commit white collar crimes at a greater rate than whites. I really don't care if that disproportionality is larger or smaller than for other crimes.

    Do you agree or disagree that blacks commit white collar crimes at a higher rate than whites? If not, why?

    “Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.”

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    –for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    –for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    –for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.
     
    Per capita. Learn what it means. Use it.

    “P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.”

    Thanks for the ad hominem.
     
    Calling your comment lame is not an ad hominem.

    This is an ad hominem.

    You are extremely disingenuous.


    B. Race

    With respect to race, most research indicates that conventional street crimes tend to be concentrated in lower-class settings and are committed by minority offenders from lowerclass backgrounds (Braithwaite 1985; Benson and Kerley 2001; Friedrichs 2010; Parker 2013). However, the research regarding race and white-collar crime commission seems to be ambiguous. Some prior research suggests that white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses (e.g., antitrust, Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] violations) (Pogrebin et al. 1986; Wheeler et al. 1988; Weisburd et al. 1991; Weisburd et al. 2001; Benson and Kerley 2001; Walters and Geyer 2004; Poortinga et al. 2006; Ragatz and Fremouw 2010). One notable exception focused on the accounts of forty-two sanctioned physicians from California and New York (Jesilow et al. 1993). Jesilow et al.’s results show that significant percentage of non-white physicians (both foreign and American born) were responsible for a considerable portion of medical-related (p. 109) frauds. One hypothesis regarding this unique finding is that these particular doctors focused their practices in urban, low-income areas where oversight was closely regulated, and a majority of the funds were derived from federal and state social assistance programs (Jesilow et al. 1993). In addition, in their comparison of the characteristics of federal offenders convicted in U.S. district courts for both street and white-collar crimes between 1995 and 2002, Shover and Hochstetler (2006) discovered that roughly 48 percent of convicted street offenders and 32 percent of white-collar offenders were non-white (i.e., Hispanic or African-American), indicating that a larger-than-expected portion of federal white-collar offenses are committed by non-whites.

    Aside from the aforementioned exceptions, it appears that the remaining research has determined that when lower-level white-collar crimes were examined (e.g., identity theft, embezzlement, and check fraud), African-Americans represented a more significant percentage of the offender population (Daly 1989; Lewis 2002; Shover and Hochstetler 2006; Copes and Vieraitis 2009). According to Uniform Crime Report (UCR) data, it appears that African-Americans are proportionately overrepresented for white-collar crime arrests (i.e., over 25 percent) (Federal Bureau of Investigation 2011). Some scholars contend that the reason for this overrepresentation lies in the fact that African-Americans tend to commit lower-level offenses unrelated to a legitimate occupation— offenses that are more likely to be reported, investigated, and officially processed by the authorities (Steffensmeier 1989; Lewis 2002; Friedrich 2010). In addition, some researchers argue that if the limited amount of data that we do have suggest that minorities are overrepresented for lower-level white-collar offenses, then whites may also be overrepresented for mid- to high-level occupational offenses (Weisburd et al. 1991, 2001; Shover and Hochstetler 2006). Regardless of these prior findings, a more concerted effort to investigate the relationship between race/ethnicity and white-collar offense type should be conducted before firm empirical conclusions regarding race and white-collar crime can be offered.
     
    Just as a note, the 2018 FBI UCR data indicates blacks accounted for 30.8%, 31.7%, and 35.4% of arrests for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively. So if anything their "over 25 percent" is being conservative.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    Replies: @res

  185. @Corvinus
    @William Badwhite

    "“Studies have shown” is a preface for.."

    offering evidence to support a position. I get it, you would rather read old Dagwood and Blondie cartoon strips, which is in your intellectual wheelhouse, rather than become more educated on a topic.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    offering evidence to support a position.

    You didn’t offer evidence, you made a baseless assertion. Offering evidence would have included a citation, even a link to a study (ideally a study you’ve read, which is unlikely; or even better one that you understand, which is impossible). But you didn’t, you merely asserted. Which is the type of thing done by mediocrities trying to impress their betters. Alas you have, as you so often do, failed.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @William Badwhite

    "You didn’t offer evidence, you made a baseless assertion."

    No, I made a statement.

    "Offering evidence would have included a citation, even a link to a study (ideally a study you’ve read, which is unlikely; or even better one that you understand, which is impossible)".

    Refer to Comment 186. And thanks for your projection.

    "Which is the type of thing done by mediocrities trying to impress their betters".

    Again, more projection on your part. As your name states, you are a bad white.

  186. @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    offering evidence to support a position.
     
    You didn't offer evidence, you made a baseless assertion. Offering evidence would have included a citation, even a link to a study (ideally a study you've read, which is unlikely; or even better one that you understand, which is impossible). But you didn't, you merely asserted. Which is the type of thing done by mediocrities trying to impress their betters. Alas you have, as you so often do, failed.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You didn’t offer evidence, you made a baseless assertion.”

    No, I made a statement.

    “Offering evidence would have included a citation, even a link to a study (ideally a study you’ve read, which is unlikely; or even better one that you understand, which is impossible)”.

    Refer to Comment 186. And thanks for your projection.

    “Which is the type of thing done by mediocrities trying to impress their betters”.

    Again, more projection on your part. As your name states, you are a bad white.

  187. @Corvinus
    @res

    "Care to provide a reference?"

    https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199925513.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199925513-e-6


    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds. Most have some higher education, are married, and have moderate to strong ties to community, family, and religious organizations. White-collar offenders usually have a criminal history, including infractions that span the spectrum of illegality, but many do not overindulge in vice. Recent research examining the five-factor personality trait model determined that white-collar offenders tend to be more neurotic and less agreeable and conscientious than their non-criminal counterparts. Type A personality research could hold promise, but it has yet to be thoroughly examined.
     
    http://jaapl.org/content/34/1/82

    We examined the clinical, criminal, and sociodemographic characteristics of all white‐collar crime defendants referred to the evaluation unit of a state center for forensic psychiatry. With 29,310 evaluations in a 12‐year period, we found 70 defendants charged with embezzlement, 3 with health care fraud, and no other white‐collar defendants (based on the eight crimes widely accepted as white‐collar offenses). In a case‐control study design, the 70 embezzlement cases were compared with 73 defendants charged with other forms of nonviolent theft. White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants. Logistic regression modeling showed that the variance in the relationship between unipolar depression and white‐collar crime was more economically accounted for by education, race, and substance abuse.

    ...

    In the late 1980s Wheeler et al.2 studied the presentencing investigative reports of 1,342 persons convicted of the eight white collar crimes in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, and Baltimore. They compared these subjects to a sample of other persons convicted of federal crimes and to the general public. Results showed that white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, male, white, older, and financially “well off” and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants. When compared with the general public, white‐collar criminals were more likely to be employed, educated, and older and to have prior convictions. They were less likely to be financially “well off.”
     

    "Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect."

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    --for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    --for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    --for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.


    "P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better."

    Thanks for the ad hominem.

    Replies: @res

    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds.

    That says nothing about relative white and black rates of white collar crime. You really do need to do better. In fact, if you troubled yourself to look at the full text of your reference you would have found the informative excerpt I include after the MORE. Be sure to remember that statements like “white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses” do not require whites to commit those crimes disproportionately (because whites are ~70% of US population and blacks are ~13%).

    I so enjoy it when people give me references which support my points more than theirs.

    White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants.

    Ah, now I see. I needed to read your original statement more carefully. Here it is again with emphasis.

    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.

    So let’s look at Poortinga et al. more closely. My first observation is their sample is based on psychiatric evaluation. That hardly seems representative. My second observation is that they only have 70 cases over 12 years so a rather small sample. Contrast that with 11,637, 28387, and 3,955 arrests of blacks for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively in 2018 alone.

    Looking at Table 1 we see 12/70 = 17% of cases (white collar criminals) are black while 29/73 = 40% of controls (other crimes) are black. Michigan is 14% black, so both of those numbers indicate blacks are disproportionately represented. Though the significant differences with the more comprehensive FBI statistics emphasize my concern about the sampling.

    The Wheeler reference is actually a bit more on point, but it is 33 years old. It is also notable that they don’t break out blacks separately so we can’t make a direct comparison of whites vs. blacks. Only whites vs. non-whites.

    I think it is clear that the FBI data is superior for showing that blacks commit white collar crimes at a greater rate than whites. I really don’t care if that disproportionality is larger or smaller than for other crimes.

    Do you agree or disagree that blacks commit white collar crimes at a higher rate than whites? If not, why?

    “Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.”

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    –for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    –for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    –for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.

    Per capita. Learn what it means. Use it.

    “P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.”

    Thanks for the ad hominem.

    Calling your comment lame is not an ad hominem.

    This is an ad hominem.

    You are extremely disingenuous.

    [MORE]

    B. Race

    With respect to race, most research indicates that conventional street crimes tend to be concentrated in lower-class settings and are committed by minority offenders from lowerclass backgrounds (Braithwaite 1985; Benson and Kerley 2001; Friedrichs 2010; Parker 2013). However, the research regarding race and white-collar crime commission seems to be ambiguous. Some prior research suggests that white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses (e.g., antitrust, Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] violations) (Pogrebin et al. 1986; Wheeler et al. 1988; Weisburd et al. 1991; Weisburd et al. 2001; Benson and Kerley 2001; Walters and Geyer 2004; Poortinga et al. 2006; Ragatz and Fremouw 2010). One notable exception focused on the accounts of forty-two sanctioned physicians from California and New York (Jesilow et al. 1993). Jesilow et al.’s results show that significant percentage of non-white physicians (both foreign and American born) were responsible for a considerable portion of medical-related (p. 109) frauds. One hypothesis regarding this unique finding is that these particular doctors focused their practices in urban, low-income areas where oversight was closely regulated, and a majority of the funds were derived from federal and state social assistance programs (Jesilow et al. 1993). In addition, in their comparison of the characteristics of federal offenders convicted in U.S. district courts for both street and white-collar crimes between 1995 and 2002, Shover and Hochstetler (2006) discovered that roughly 48 percent of convicted street offenders and 32 percent of white-collar offenders were non-white (i.e., Hispanic or African-American), indicating that a larger-than-expected portion of federal white-collar offenses are committed by non-whites.

    Aside from the aforementioned exceptions, it appears that the remaining research has determined that when lower-level white-collar crimes were examined (e.g., identity theft, embezzlement, and check fraud), African-Americans represented a more significant percentage of the offender population (Daly 1989; Lewis 2002; Shover and Hochstetler 2006; Copes and Vieraitis 2009). According to Uniform Crime Report (UCR) data, it appears that African-Americans are proportionately overrepresented for white-collar crime arrests (i.e., over 25 percent) (Federal Bureau of Investigation 2011). Some scholars contend that the reason for this overrepresentation lies in the fact that African-Americans tend to commit lower-level offenses unrelated to a legitimate occupation— offenses that are more likely to be reported, investigated, and officially processed by the authorities (Steffensmeier 1989; Lewis 2002; Friedrich 2010). In addition, some researchers argue that if the limited amount of data that we do have suggest that minorities are overrepresented for lower-level white-collar offenses, then whites may also be overrepresented for mid- to high-level occupational offenses (Weisburd et al. 1991, 2001; Shover and Hochstetler 2006). Regardless of these prior findings, a more concerted effort to investigate the relationship between race/ethnicity and white-collar offense type should be conducted before firm empirical conclusions regarding race and white-collar crime can be offered.

    Just as a note, the 2018 FBI UCR data indicates blacks accounted for 30.8%, 31.7%, and 35.4% of arrests for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively. So if anything their “over 25 percent” is being conservative.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @res
    @res

    Another Corvinus seal of approval for a comment of mine. I feel honored.

    No substantive response to my comment, Corvinus?

  188. @res
    @Corvinus


    A considerable percentage of white-collar offenders are gainfully employed middle-aged Caucasian men who usually commit their first white-collar offense sometime between their late thirties through their mid-forties and appear to have middle-class backgrounds.

     

    That says nothing about relative white and black rates of white collar crime. You really do need to do better. In fact, if you troubled yourself to look at the full text of your reference you would have found the informative excerpt I include after the MORE. Be sure to remember that statements like "white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses" do not require whites to commit those crimes disproportionately (because whites are ~70% of US population and blacks are ~13%).

    I so enjoy it when people give me references which support my points more than theirs.

    White‐collar defendants were found to have a higher likelihood of white race (adjusted odds ratio (adj. OR) = 4.51), more years of education (adj. OR = 3471), and a lower likelihood of substance abuse (adj. OR = .28) than control defendants.
     
    Ah, now I see. I needed to read your original statement more carefully. Here it is again with emphasis.

    Hate fact –> Studies have shown that white‐collar criminals are more likely to be employed, educated, male, WHITE, older, and financially “well off”, and less likely to have prior convictions than the group of all other federal defendants.
     
    So let's look at Poortinga et al. more closely. My first observation is their sample is based on psychiatric evaluation. That hardly seems representative. My second observation is that they only have 70 cases over 12 years so a rather small sample. Contrast that with 11,637, 28387, and 3,955 arrests of blacks for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively in 2018 alone.

    Looking at Table 1 we see 12/70 = 17% of cases (white collar criminals) are black while 29/73 = 40% of controls (other crimes) are black. Michigan is 14% black, so both of those numbers indicate blacks are disproportionately represented. Though the significant differences with the more comprehensive FBI statistics emphasize my concern about the sampling.

    The Wheeler reference is actually a bit more on point, but it is 33 years old. It is also notable that they don't break out blacks separately so we can't make a direct comparison of whites vs. blacks. Only whites vs. non-whites.

    I think it is clear that the FBI data is superior for showing that blacks commit white collar crimes at a greater rate than whites. I really don't care if that disproportionality is larger or smaller than for other crimes.

    Do you agree or disagree that blacks commit white collar crimes at a higher rate than whites? If not, why?

    “Because the FBI seems to think otherwise about the race aspect.”

    Whites commit more of these crimes than blacks. According to Table 43A:
    –for forgery/counterfeiting, the total number of arrests was 25,14o for whites and 11,637 for blacks.
    –for fraud, the total number of arrests was 58,572 for whites and 28,387 for blacks.
    –for embezzlement, the total number of arrests was 6,923 for whites and 3,955 for blacks.
     
    Per capita. Learn what it means. Use it.

    “P.S. That comment was lame even for you. Try to do better.”

    Thanks for the ad hominem.
     
    Calling your comment lame is not an ad hominem.

    This is an ad hominem.

    You are extremely disingenuous.


    B. Race

    With respect to race, most research indicates that conventional street crimes tend to be concentrated in lower-class settings and are committed by minority offenders from lowerclass backgrounds (Braithwaite 1985; Benson and Kerley 2001; Friedrichs 2010; Parker 2013). However, the research regarding race and white-collar crime commission seems to be ambiguous. Some prior research suggests that white-collar offenders tend to be predominately white, especially when examining higher-level corporate federal offenses (e.g., antitrust, Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] violations) (Pogrebin et al. 1986; Wheeler et al. 1988; Weisburd et al. 1991; Weisburd et al. 2001; Benson and Kerley 2001; Walters and Geyer 2004; Poortinga et al. 2006; Ragatz and Fremouw 2010). One notable exception focused on the accounts of forty-two sanctioned physicians from California and New York (Jesilow et al. 1993). Jesilow et al.’s results show that significant percentage of non-white physicians (both foreign and American born) were responsible for a considerable portion of medical-related (p. 109) frauds. One hypothesis regarding this unique finding is that these particular doctors focused their practices in urban, low-income areas where oversight was closely regulated, and a majority of the funds were derived from federal and state social assistance programs (Jesilow et al. 1993). In addition, in their comparison of the characteristics of federal offenders convicted in U.S. district courts for both street and white-collar crimes between 1995 and 2002, Shover and Hochstetler (2006) discovered that roughly 48 percent of convicted street offenders and 32 percent of white-collar offenders were non-white (i.e., Hispanic or African-American), indicating that a larger-than-expected portion of federal white-collar offenses are committed by non-whites.

    Aside from the aforementioned exceptions, it appears that the remaining research has determined that when lower-level white-collar crimes were examined (e.g., identity theft, embezzlement, and check fraud), African-Americans represented a more significant percentage of the offender population (Daly 1989; Lewis 2002; Shover and Hochstetler 2006; Copes and Vieraitis 2009). According to Uniform Crime Report (UCR) data, it appears that African-Americans are proportionately overrepresented for white-collar crime arrests (i.e., over 25 percent) (Federal Bureau of Investigation 2011). Some scholars contend that the reason for this overrepresentation lies in the fact that African-Americans tend to commit lower-level offenses unrelated to a legitimate occupation— offenses that are more likely to be reported, investigated, and officially processed by the authorities (Steffensmeier 1989; Lewis 2002; Friedrich 2010). In addition, some researchers argue that if the limited amount of data that we do have suggest that minorities are overrepresented for lower-level white-collar offenses, then whites may also be overrepresented for mid- to high-level occupational offenses (Weisburd et al. 1991, 2001; Shover and Hochstetler 2006). Regardless of these prior findings, a more concerted effort to investigate the relationship between race/ethnicity and white-collar offense type should be conducted before firm empirical conclusions regarding race and white-collar crime can be offered.
     
    Just as a note, the 2018 FBI UCR data indicates blacks accounted for 30.8%, 31.7%, and 35.4% of arrests for Forgery and counterfeiting, Fraud, and Embezzlement respectively. So if anything their "over 25 percent" is being conservative.
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

    Replies: @res

    Another Corvinus seal of approval for a comment of mine. I feel honored.

    No substantive response to my comment, Corvinus?

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