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From USA Today:

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray’s death. A wave of killings followed.

Brad Heath, USA TODAY Published 5:49 a.m. ET July 12, 2018 | Updated 3:58 p.m. ET July 12, 2018

BALTIMORE – Just before a wave of violence turned Baltimore into the nation’s deadliest big city, a curious thing happened to its police force: officers suddenly seemed to stop noticing crime.

Police officers reported seeing fewer drug dealers on street corners. They encountered fewer people who had open arrest warrants.

Police questioned fewer people on the street. They stopped fewer cars.

In the space of just a few days in spring 2015 – as Baltimore faced a wave of rioting after Freddie Gray, a black man, died from injuries he suffered in the back of a police van – officers in nearly every part of the city appeared to turn a blind eye to everyday violations. They still answered calls for help. But the number of potential violations they reported seeing themselves dropped by nearly half. It has largely stayed that way ever since.

“What officers are doing is they’re just driving looking forward. They’ve got horse blinders on,” says Kevin Forrester, a retired Baltimore detective.

The surge of shootings and killings that followed has left Baltimore easily the deadliest large city in the United States. Its murder rate reached an all-time high last year; 342 people were killed. The number of shootings in some neighborhoods has more than tripled. One man was shot to death steps from a police station. Another was killed driving in a funeral procession.

“In all candor, officers are not as aggressive as they once were, pre-2015. It’s just that fact.”

What’s happening in Baltimore offers a view of the possible costs of a remarkable national reckoning over how police officers have treated minorities.

Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement.

So has the U.S. Justice Department. During the Obama administration, the department launched wide-ranging civil rights investigations of troubled police forces, then took them to court to compel reforms. Under President Donald Trump, Washington has largely given up that effort. “If you want crime to go up, let the ACLU run the police department,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at a gathering of police officials in May.

Whether that scrutiny would cause policing to suffer – or crime to rise – has largely remained an open question.

In Baltimore, at least, the effect on the city’s police force was swift and substantial.

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent.

“Immediately upon the riot, policing changed in Baltimore, and it changed very dramatically,” says Donald Norris, an emeritus professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County, who reviewed USA TODAY’s analysis. “The outcome of that change in policing has been a lot more crime in Baltimore, especially murders, and people are getting away with those murders.”

Police officials acknowledge the change. “In all candor, officers are not as aggressive as they once were, pre-2015. It’s just that fact,” says acting Police Commissioner Gary Tuggle, who took command of Baltimore’s police force in May.

The much-denied Ferguson Effect is actually one of the more strikingly obvious phenomenon in the history of social sciences.

With the cops neutralized, the media has recently turned to hunting down white people who call the cops.

 
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  1. Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and Loretta Lynch abetted the murders of more black people than all of the policemen in the country combined.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @AP
    The excess number killed as a result of Black Lives Matter activism and its impact on law enforcement actually exceeds the total number of people lynched in America.

    BLM is a protest movement, as imagined in a dark Coen brothers comedy.
  2. How long before the “heads I win – tails you lose” analysis in the NYT about how racist police indifference to crime is causing harm to vibrant urban communities?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Zero time at all, it's already in the linked article.

    It has also drawn scorn from civil rights advocates, who scoff at the idea that police can’t protect both the city and the rights of its residents.

    “What it says is that if you complain about the way the police do our job, maybe we’ll just lay back and not do it as hard,” says Jeffery Robinson, a deputy legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union, which had advocated for an overhaul of police agencies in Baltimore and elsewhere. “If it’s true, if that’s what officers are doing, they should be fired.”
     
    , @Stan d Mute

    How long before the “heads I win – tails you lose” analysis in the NYT about how racist police indifference to crime is causing harm to vibrant urban communities?
     
    As long as it takes the old negro church ladies to agitate the negro ministers to agitate their alderman and local media. Just exactly like they did to force legislators to make crack more illegal than powder cocaine in the 1980’s & 1990’s.
  3. They’ve gotten halfway there by acknowledging it coincided with Freddie Gray’s death, but I doubt they’ll ever make the link (or if they do, mention it) to the consent decrees and general contempt from the then federal government.

  4. The much-denied Ferguson Effect is actually one of the more strikingly obvious phenomenon in the history of social sciences.

    So obvious that it takes a magisterial act of willful blindness to not notice it. Let’s pretend it doesn’t exist, and it will go away.

  5. Starting in late 1968 and into 1969 the new draftees arriving in Vietnam were very aware of the protests back home, the likelihood the war was unwinnable, the nonsense of taking of hills with high cost in life and wounded only to relinquish them a week later. In that environment, GIs started to fragg their officers and their career noncoms. On some patrols, if a lifer was too “gung ho,” he was shot in the back by his men, who would report he was killed in combat. More often, a unit ordered to go on patrol would simply go a few hundred yards beyond the wire and then sit down and smoke dope.

    Those troops just wanted to get back home alive. Modern day police officers also want to live, not land up in jail themselves and maybe get a pension when it’s all done. It’s human nature to put the blinders on if the higher up’s won’t support them.

  6. What police officer, particularly a white one, would police the black community aggressively? The name Darren Wilson ring any bells?

  7. Here in NYC, DeBlasio and his co-conspirators tried to drive the crime rate down by no longer arresting so-called “quality of life” crimes. Can’t hide murder and rape arrests though, which are rising quickly. Shouldn’t be long before we return to the good old NYC days of high crime.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    As I predicted to the chorus of naysayers. Diversity beats real estate every time. Even in NYC.
  8. @Rich
    Here in NYC, DeBlasio and his co-conspirators tried to drive the crime rate down by no longer arresting so-called "quality of life" crimes. Can't hide murder and rape arrests though, which are rising quickly. Shouldn't be long before we return to the good old NYC days of high crime.

    As I predicted to the chorus of naysayers. Diversity beats real estate every time. Even in NYC.

  9. ‘…What’s happening in Baltimore offers a view of the possible costs of a remarkable national reckoning over how police officers have treated minorities.

    Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement..’

    The irony is that there aren’t any ‘aggressive police tactics towards black people’ — any more than there are ‘aggressive police tactics’ towards young males in general, or any other group more likely than the norm to come into contact with the police.

    Look at Michael Brown: shoplifting, then walking down the middle of the street, then assaulting a police officer. Perhaps none of those merit the death penalty, but they are all behaviors statistically likely to result in an acrimonious contact with the police — and that in turn is more likely to produce a shooting. This isn’t to say that police behave rightly, wrongly, or somewhere in between — it’s merely to point out that the numbers suggest they react to the actions, not the race of the perpetrator. Make a habit of assaulting police officers, and it’s more likely that you will eventually get shot than if you don’t.

    The numbers suggest that blacks — particularly young black males — aren’t discriminated against at all. They are shot in just about the proportions their behavior suggest they should be shot. If elderly Asian women started behaving as young black men do, they’d get shot in larger numbers too.

    It’s nothing to do with race. It’s everything to do with behavior.

    • Agree: Kylie, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lurker
    But certain behaviours are poditively correlated with race.
  10. I live in Roseburg, Oregon. We have a rather small police department. In spite of fairly high unemployment, a substantial number of vagrants, etc, no crimes more serious than burglary in the last year. No murders, no armed robberies, no rapes — zippo in the truamatic/fatal experience category. More a matter of ‘I left the weedwhacker out on the lawn and it walked.’

    That’s it. What’s missing?

    Why blacks, of course. The moral of the article can be phrased rudely but with perfect accuracy.

    Blacks require constant, heavy, and aggressive policing. Everyone else? Well, it’s probably a good idea if you can call somebody if something comes up.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Disagree. Mostly aggressive blacks prey upon each other for the violent stuff. Do you honestly care if one thug offs another thug?

    Theft is far more serious than your anecdote suggests. Your weedwacker didn't "walk", somebody stole it, probably to buy drugs, that was sold by illegals, who are sending the money to Mexico, or sponging off their gf's welfare, who send their kids to the local PS while paying zero property tax. This affects all of society down to the smallest detail.

    Further, don't overlook the scammers who prey upon the elderly or gullible people. Right now my family is expending a lot of time and resources to fix the chaos created by a scammer who nailed an elderly relative. It gets complicated and the police are pretty much useless in getting to the bottom of this crap.
  11. We have government employees not doing the job they are paid to do. This calls for some corrective measures: 1. Cut pay by 1/2. 2. End tax payer supported pensions. 3. Increase the employee contribution to health insurance. 4. End qualified immunity. 5. Disarm cops until they have again proven they should be trusted with the privilege of carrying weapons while on duty.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I agree but it should only apply to police in predominantly White areas. They are the people actually paying for the police and they want aggressive and diligent policing in their own areas. I really don’t hear many complaints from Blacks about the more lackadaisical post-Ferguson police patrolling in their own neighborhood. It seems to be coming primarily from NYT writers complaining about it on behalf of their, no real moral agency, “wards”. This is because the Black community seems to have a more relaxed attitude to crime. Even law abiding Blacks have many friends and family members who are out on the margins of the law and don’t want to see them busted. Similarly, their culture is just more tolerant of casual violence, noise, drugs, traffic violations and so forth and they don’t want the cops looking hard for violations. You can think of them wanting a police force that is more like the fire department, where you generally call them when needed. A police force should try to adapt to the community, and it’s standards where possible, so the Black community wants a police force that isn’t too up-tight about the “ain’t no big thing” things. It’s all about what they call “community based policing”.
    I suspect that the Ferguson effect will be with us for the foreseeable future.
  12. Oddly, there’s something comforting in this otherwise depressing story; that the Law of Cause and Effect still rules.

  13. Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people.

    This is really disingenuous. In Ferguson, we had a case of aggressive black tactics against a policeman, not the other way around. It was the shameless, lying media that “cast an unflattering spotlight” on it by twisting the truth.

    Just as the ADL still includes known hate-hoaxes in its catalog of antisemitism, so the media continues to include justifiable shootings of felons among its catalog of injustices done to blacks.

    • Replies: @res

    the media continues to include justifiable shootings of felons among its catalog of injustices done to blacks.
     
    Not just continues to include. Highlights. It is almost as if they are trying to be deliberately antagonistic about this.
  14. I feel some sympathy for black victims of black criminals. However, as they tend to prefer racial solidarity to arresting and punishing the criminals, my sympathy has an upper limit. If they restricted their crimes to other blacks, I’d say, let them have at it.

    • Agree: TheBoom, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Flip
    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.
  15. @MBlanc46
    I feel some sympathy for black victims of black criminals. However, as they tend to prefer racial solidarity to arresting and punishing the criminals, my sympathy has an upper limit. If they restricted their crimes to other blacks, I’d say, let them have at it.

    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.
     
    That's redundant.
    , @Mr. Rational
    Now imagine how bad it was under Reconstruction, with entire states under rule of criminal Blacks.

    More proof that the 14th Amendment was not just a mistake, but a crime.

  16. Anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: South Africa could see a center-right immigration restrictionist black government within our lifetimes, if these opposition politicians have their way:

    Lekota said foreign nationals were being allowed to flood the country, adding that they now constituted the majority of the people who occupied buildings in cities like Joburg.

    “We are not xenophobic, but it can’t be that any country that is concerned about its own citizens can leave its own citizens out there and open the best available positions, nearest to their jobs, and fill them up with people who come from other countries, and making it difficult for the people coming out of Soweto and other places like that to be immediately nearer to their work, to go and look for a job and live in better conditions,” Lekota said.

    “We need to appreciate that unless opposition coalition accesses provincial and national space, where we can control people who come from other countries and say to them ‘well, you are welcome if you are refugees’, but let us set up refugee camps,” Lekota said.

    “We were in exile ourselves. Our own South Africans were abroad. We were not allowed to occupy the cities of those countries and push the citizens out. South Africa must look after its own first and foremost.

    Maimane slammed the country’s borders as being porous, which he said enabled human and drug trafficking as they were not properly policed. Last year, Joburg mayor Herman Mashaba came under fire after he slammed the influx of illegal immigrants into the city, stating that they were not the responsibility of the country’s economic hub.

    On Thursday, Maimane accused the Department of Home Affairs of failing to ensure that immigrants were documented, adding that not registering them properly was a violation of their rights.

    The usual suspects are outraged, of course, invoking the “spirit” of the constitution as a talisman:

    SAHRC spokesperson Gail Smith said: “Our country’s policy is one of integration, and working from an integrated perspective, which is why we don’t have camps and cordoned-off spaces. That completely flies in the face of the spirit of our constitution, and the rights of all individuals in the Republic.”

    https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/copes-lekota-says-hed-place-refugees-in-camps-15971218

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    A few years ago, I happened to be in a work seminar (in the US) with a Nigerian and a (black) South African. The (white Canadian) seminar leader said something disparaging about "racist, restrictionist" US immigration policy. This got the Nigerian going about how bad the South African immigration policy is because she had tried to immigrate there but was chucked out by the evil bad (black) South African government. This got the South African started about how Nigerians were coming into South Africa bringing their drugs and crime and ruining his "beautiful" homeland. The panicked seminar leader did her best to tamp down this brushfire in her coalition of the fringes, but it was to no avail. Man, I wish I had been recording that.

    BTW, the Nigerian woman's employer later ended her contract and told her to go home (because she was kind of a pain in the neck). Instead she took sanctuary at a local (white goodthinker) church ("no human is illegal"). Last I checked, she is still here, as is her son.
  17. @NJ Transit Commuter
    How long before the “heads I win - tails you lose” analysis in the NYT about how racist police indifference to crime is causing harm to vibrant urban communities?

    Zero time at all, it’s already in the linked article.

    It has also drawn scorn from civil rights advocates, who scoff at the idea that police can’t protect both the city and the rights of its residents.

    “What it says is that if you complain about the way the police do our job, maybe we’ll just lay back and not do it as hard,” says Jeffery Robinson, a deputy legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union, which had advocated for an overhaul of police agencies in Baltimore and elsewhere. “If it’s true, if that’s what officers are doing, they should be fired.”

  18. So, either you let me violate your civil rights or I’m not going to do my job, period. What a bunch of cowards. They truly need to just turn in their badges and seek other employment if that’s the case.

    The white male fragility entitlement and privilege is sickening

    • Replies: @AP
    So if they are all fired or resign what do you think the homicide rate will be then?
    , @anon
    What you need, Tiny, is an all black town, all black political elite, and all black police force. Then there won't be any evil white racism and the crime rate will be zero, right? Oh, yeah, we already have all black towns - Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson. You really must move there, Tiny.
    , @Anonymous
    You got it wrong.

    The problem is that Baltimore is a city with a VERY widespread crime problem, so it NEEDS strong policing. But with strong policing come injuries to suspects that provoke civil right lawsuits and protests from local communities. So people curb the policing, and crime starts going up.

    Similarly, let's imagine that there's an area which has lots of forest fires, so it NEEDS constant vigilance from the fire department. But with that come noise and confusion that upset people in the area, and cause protests. So people curb the firefighting, and fires start going up.

    Now you can disagree about the source of the crime. I have a theory, you probably have another. In this context it doesn't really matter. But trying to blame crime on the police is like blaming firefighters for forest fires.

  19. @NJ Transit Commuter
    How long before the “heads I win - tails you lose” analysis in the NYT about how racist police indifference to crime is causing harm to vibrant urban communities?

    How long before the “heads I win – tails you lose” analysis in the NYT about how racist police indifference to crime is causing harm to vibrant urban communities?

    As long as it takes the old negro church ladies to agitate the negro ministers to agitate their alderman and local media. Just exactly like they did to force legislators to make crack more illegal than powder cocaine in the 1980’s & 1990’s.

  20. @Percy Gryce
    Barack Obama, Eric Holder, and Loretta Lynch abetted the murders of more black people than all of the policemen in the country combined.

    The excess number killed as a result of Black Lives Matter activism and its impact on law enforcement actually exceeds the total number of people lynched in America.

    BLM is a protest movement, as imagined in a dark Coen brothers comedy.

  21. @Tiny Duck
    So, either you let me violate your civil rights or I'm not going to do my job, period. What a bunch of cowards. They truly need to just turn in their badges and seek other employment if that's the case.


    The white male fragility entitlement and privilege is sickening

    So if they are all fired or resign what do you think the homicide rate will be then?

  22. … a curious thing happened to its police force: officers suddenly seemed to stop noticing crime.

    Two can play at this not-noticing game!

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  23. @Flip
    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.

    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.

    That’s redundant.

  24. Sounds like the Baltimore police were pretty quick at realizing while they could get fired or even sent to jail for something they did, nothing could happen to them for something they didn’t do. They’re not going to put a supervisor in every car, so any crime a police officer chooses not to see might as well never have happened (at least until the criminal then goes and does something worse).

    Incidentally, this is a very specific extension of the “War on Noticing.”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    Same deal with Obama's guidance re: race differentials in school discipline. Teachers and other low-level staff will turn a blind eye to troublemakers rather than handle them and then discover that the principal/superintendent doesn't have their back.

    It really is the disease of modern liberalism, to believe that one can change human nature with a pen and a phone.
  25. “Let me let you in on a little secret: the patrolling officer on his beat is the one true dictatorship in America. We can lock a guy up on the humble, lock him up for real, or say fuck it and drink ourselves to death under the expressway and our side partners will cover us. No one – I mean no one – tells us how to waste our shift!” Ofc. Jimmy McNulty, The Wire.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    It was a great show.
  26. “cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement”

    WTF, weren’t all those “black people” that he’s referring to in the article actual fucking criminals? It’s weird how he mentions this and yet cops shoot more white people. Wasn’t a study done that concluded that police shot whites faster in a confrontation than blacks?

    Why do we live in a world where almost everything is a fake narrative?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  27. @Thomas
    “Let me let you in on a little secret: the patrolling officer on his beat is the one true dictatorship in America. We can lock a guy up on the humble, lock him up for real, or say fuck it and drink ourselves to death under the expressway and our side partners will cover us. No one - I mean no one - tells us how to waste our shift!” Ofc. Jimmy McNulty, The Wire.

    It was a great show.

  28. @Chris Mallory
    We have government employees not doing the job they are paid to do. This calls for some corrective measures: 1. Cut pay by 1/2. 2. End tax payer supported pensions. 3. Increase the employee contribution to health insurance. 4. End qualified immunity. 5. Disarm cops until they have again proven they should be trusted with the privilege of carrying weapons while on duty.

    I agree but it should only apply to police in predominantly White areas. They are the people actually paying for the police and they want aggressive and diligent policing in their own areas. I really don’t hear many complaints from Blacks about the more lackadaisical post-Ferguson police patrolling in their own neighborhood. It seems to be coming primarily from NYT writers complaining about it on behalf of their, no real moral agency, “wards”. This is because the Black community seems to have a more relaxed attitude to crime. Even law abiding Blacks have many friends and family members who are out on the margins of the law and don’t want to see them busted. Similarly, their culture is just more tolerant of casual violence, noise, drugs, traffic violations and so forth and they don’t want the cops looking hard for violations. You can think of them wanting a police force that is more like the fire department, where you generally call them when needed. A police force should try to adapt to the community, and it’s standards where possible, so the Black community wants a police force that isn’t too up-tight about the “ain’t no big thing” things. It’s all about what they call “community based policing”.
    I suspect that the Ferguson effect will be with us for the foreseeable future.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    Similarly, their culture is just more tolerant of casual violence, noise, drugs, traffic violations and so forth and they don’t want the cops looking hard for violations. You can think of them wanting a police force that is more like the fire department, where you generally call them when needed. A police force should try to adapt to the community
     
    I generally agree, the problem comes when the black casual attitude towards crime overlays a white population. As people in the southern US understood for centuries, separation is the best solution.

    Sure, if we went back to some form of segregation, blacks and their self-appointed lefty spokespeople would ceaselessly complain that black schools, neighborhoods, etc were worse than the white ones (caused by vandalism, inability/refusal to perform maintenance, etc etc) but what would really be different? They complain ceaselessly already.

  29. @Colin Wright
    '...What’s happening in Baltimore offers a view of the possible costs of a remarkable national reckoning over how police officers have treated minorities.

    Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement..'

    The irony is that there aren't any 'aggressive police tactics towards black people' -- any more than there are 'aggressive police tactics' towards young males in general, or any other group more likely than the norm to come into contact with the police.

    Look at Michael Brown: shoplifting, then walking down the middle of the street, then assaulting a police officer. Perhaps none of those merit the death penalty, but they are all behaviors statistically likely to result in an acrimonious contact with the police -- and that in turn is more likely to produce a shooting. This isn't to say that police behave rightly, wrongly, or somewhere in between -- it's merely to point out that the numbers suggest they react to the actions, not the race of the perpetrator. Make a habit of assaulting police officers, and it's more likely that you will eventually get shot than if you don't.

    The numbers suggest that blacks -- particularly young black males -- aren't discriminated against at all. They are shot in just about the proportions their behavior suggest they should be shot. If elderly Asian women started behaving as young black men do, they'd get shot in larger numbers too.

    It's nothing to do with race. It's everything to do with behavior.

    But certain behaviours are poditively correlated with race.

  30. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    So, either you let me violate your civil rights or I'm not going to do my job, period. What a bunch of cowards. They truly need to just turn in their badges and seek other employment if that's the case.


    The white male fragility entitlement and privilege is sickening

    What you need, Tiny, is an all black town, all black political elite, and all black police force. Then there won’t be any evil white racism and the crime rate will be zero, right? Oh, yeah, we already have all black towns – Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson. You really must move there, Tiny.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  31. Anonymous [AKA "NopeNot"] says:
    @Tiny Duck
    So, either you let me violate your civil rights or I'm not going to do my job, period. What a bunch of cowards. They truly need to just turn in their badges and seek other employment if that's the case.


    The white male fragility entitlement and privilege is sickening

    You got it wrong.

    The problem is that Baltimore is a city with a VERY widespread crime problem, so it NEEDS strong policing. But with strong policing come injuries to suspects that provoke civil right lawsuits and protests from local communities. So people curb the policing, and crime starts going up.

    Similarly, let’s imagine that there’s an area which has lots of forest fires, so it NEEDS constant vigilance from the fire department. But with that come noise and confusion that upset people in the area, and cause protests. So people curb the firefighting, and fires start going up.

    Now you can disagree about the source of the crime. I have a theory, you probably have another. In this context it doesn’t really matter. But trying to blame crime on the police is like blaming firefighters for forest fires.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  32. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t blame just whitey cops for turning a blind eye; in many cities, the ratio of white to black/brown cops is 50/50 or lower. There are no data suggesting that POC cops are aggressively noticing while white cops are turning a blind eye. Instead, cops of all colors have taken the hint and are avoiding as much as possible any interaction that will get them fired. If you fire cops, you’ll have to fire all of them, and who says that their replacements won’t be as savvy in avoiding career ending encounters? The obvious solution, but troll TD won’t stomach it, is for black males to modify their behavior…for example, to match the behavior of East Asian or white males. This would be an interesting controlled experiment, if only some willing participants could be found…..perhaps a close substitute would be to study the behavior patterns, and rates of being shot, of scions of the black upper (professional) classes, people such as Barack O. While those classes still have to give their sons the ‘Talk’, those sons, i’ll wager, get shot at far lower rates, close to white/Asian rates. That would have a dramatic effect on murder rates, as police could then start once again ‘noticing’.

  33. @Thomas
    Sounds like the Baltimore police were pretty quick at realizing while they could get fired or even sent to jail for something they did, nothing could happen to them for something they didn’t do. They’re not going to put a supervisor in every car, so any crime a police officer chooses not to see might as well never have happened (at least until the criminal then goes and does something worse).

    Incidentally, this is a very specific extension of the “War on Noticing.”

    Same deal with Obama’s guidance re: race differentials in school discipline. Teachers and other low-level staff will turn a blind eye to troublemakers rather than handle them and then discover that the principal/superintendent doesn’t have their back.

    It really is the disease of modern liberalism, to believe that one can change human nature with a pen and a phone.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  34. @Anonymous
    OT: South Africa could see a center-right immigration restrictionist black government within our lifetimes, if these opposition politicians have their way:

    Lekota said foreign nationals were being allowed to flood the country, adding that they now constituted the majority of the people who occupied buildings in cities like Joburg.

    “We are not xenophobic, but it can’t be that any country that is concerned about its own citizens can leave its own citizens out there and open the best available positions, nearest to their jobs, and fill them up with people who come from other countries, and making it difficult for the people coming out of Soweto and other places like that to be immediately nearer to their work, to go and look for a job and live in better conditions,” Lekota said.
     


    “We need to appreciate that unless opposition coalition accesses provincial and national space, where we can control people who come from other countries and say to them ‘well, you are welcome if you are refugees’, but let us set up refugee camps,” Lekota said.

    “We were in exile ourselves. Our own South Africans were abroad. We were not allowed to occupy the cities of those countries and push the citizens out. South Africa must look after its own first and foremost.

     


    Maimane slammed the country’s borders as being porous, which he said enabled human and drug trafficking as they were not properly policed. Last year, Joburg mayor Herman Mashaba came under fire after he slammed the influx of illegal immigrants into the city, stating that they were not the responsibility of the country’s economic hub.

    On Thursday, Maimane accused the Department of Home Affairs of failing to ensure that immigrants were documented, adding that not registering them properly was a violation of their rights.
     

    The usual suspects are outraged, of course, invoking the "spirit" of the constitution as a talisman:

    SAHRC spokesperson Gail Smith said: “Our country’s policy is one of integration, and working from an integrated perspective, which is why we don’t have camps and cordoned-off spaces. That completely flies in the face of the spirit of our constitution, and the rights of all individuals in the Republic.”
     
    https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/copes-lekota-says-hed-place-refugees-in-camps-15971218

    A few years ago, I happened to be in a work seminar (in the US) with a Nigerian and a (black) South African. The (white Canadian) seminar leader said something disparaging about “racist, restrictionist” US immigration policy. This got the Nigerian going about how bad the South African immigration policy is because she had tried to immigrate there but was chucked out by the evil bad (black) South African government. This got the South African started about how Nigerians were coming into South Africa bringing their drugs and crime and ruining his “beautiful” homeland. The panicked seminar leader did her best to tamp down this brushfire in her coalition of the fringes, but it was to no avail. Man, I wish I had been recording that.

    BTW, the Nigerian woman’s employer later ended her contract and told her to go home (because she was kind of a pain in the neck). Instead she took sanctuary at a local (white goodthinker) church (“no human is illegal”). Last I checked, she is still here, as is her son.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @res
    Great anecdote. How did the rest of the audience react? Did any interesting conversations come out of that?

    I wonder how things would have played out if the South African had been white.
  35. @Colin Wright
    I live in Roseburg, Oregon. We have a rather small police department. In spite of fairly high unemployment, a substantial number of vagrants, etc, no crimes more serious than burglary in the last year. No murders, no armed robberies, no rapes -- zippo in the truamatic/fatal experience category. More a matter of 'I left the weedwhacker out on the lawn and it walked.'

    That's it. What's missing?

    Why blacks, of course. The moral of the article can be phrased rudely but with perfect accuracy.

    Blacks require constant, heavy, and aggressive policing. Everyone else? Well, it's probably a good idea if you can call somebody if something comes up.

    Disagree. Mostly aggressive blacks prey upon each other for the violent stuff. Do you honestly care if one thug offs another thug?

    Theft is far more serious than your anecdote suggests. Your weedwacker didn’t “walk”, somebody stole it, probably to buy drugs, that was sold by illegals, who are sending the money to Mexico, or sponging off their gf’s welfare, who send their kids to the local PS while paying zero property tax. This affects all of society down to the smallest detail.

    Further, don’t overlook the scammers who prey upon the elderly or gullible people. Right now my family is expending a lot of time and resources to fix the chaos created by a scammer who nailed an elderly relative. It gets complicated and the police are pretty much useless in getting to the bottom of this crap.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Agree. Broken windows or stolen weed eaters matter.

    Crack down hard on the small stuff and the bad guys will go somewhere else.

    The cops have a good idea who the bad guys are. In the Good Old Days, the cops would take them down to the station house and tune them up.
  36. @Flip
    Black aldermen in Chicago are unwilling to let the city crack down on black criminals so the crime problem remains.

    Now imagine how bad it was under Reconstruction, with entire states under rule of criminal Blacks.

    More proof that the 14th Amendment was not just a mistake, but a crime.

  37. @Harry Baldwin
    Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people.

    This is really disingenuous. In Ferguson, we had a case of aggressive black tactics against a policeman, not the other way around. It was the shameless, lying media that "cast an unflattering spotlight" on it by twisting the truth.

    Just as the ADL still includes known hate-hoaxes in its catalog of antisemitism, so the media continues to include justifiable shootings of felons among its catalog of injustices done to blacks.

    the media continues to include justifiable shootings of felons among its catalog of injustices done to blacks.

    Not just continues to include. Highlights. It is almost as if they are trying to be deliberately antagonistic about this.

  38. @Almost Missouri
    A few years ago, I happened to be in a work seminar (in the US) with a Nigerian and a (black) South African. The (white Canadian) seminar leader said something disparaging about "racist, restrictionist" US immigration policy. This got the Nigerian going about how bad the South African immigration policy is because she had tried to immigrate there but was chucked out by the evil bad (black) South African government. This got the South African started about how Nigerians were coming into South Africa bringing their drugs and crime and ruining his "beautiful" homeland. The panicked seminar leader did her best to tamp down this brushfire in her coalition of the fringes, but it was to no avail. Man, I wish I had been recording that.

    BTW, the Nigerian woman's employer later ended her contract and told her to go home (because she was kind of a pain in the neck). Instead she took sanctuary at a local (white goodthinker) church ("no human is illegal"). Last I checked, she is still here, as is her son.

    Great anecdote. How did the rest of the audience react? Did any interesting conversations come out of that?

    I wonder how things would have played out if the South African had been white.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "How did the rest of the audience react?"
     
    I didn't see the rest of the attendees' reactions. I was too busy suppressing my mirth while watching the show from the midst of it--I was sitting between the Africans (I'm popular with Africans, probably because I'm politically incorrect and so are they.). Indeed, now that I think about about, witnessing my amusement may have caused the leader to spring into action faster since she already knew that I derived enjoyment from political incorrectness.

    "Did any interesting conversations come out of that?"
     
    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing.

    "how things would have played out if the South African had been white."
     
    If the South African had been Anglo, then probably he would have been afraid to say anything.

    If the South African had been Afrikaner, then probably he would have said the same as the black, but the leader would have blamed just him instead of both Africans.
  39. Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people.

    Why would you want aggressive police tactics? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/13/four-women-wanted-for-pummeling-applebees-waitress-in-georgia-police-say.html

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    four women who they say started an all-out brawl
     
    The tendency in the MSM to refer to violent attacks of 1-2 whites by groups of blacks as a "brawl" or "fight" is really tiresome. "Fight" implies some voluntary decision by both parties to engage in combat.

    Packs of four obese ghetto trash females pummeling then stabbing one white woman is not a "fight" or a "brawl".
  40. Haiku:

    Thug chimps out, gets shot.
    Press cries murder, cops comply.
    Thugs shoot each other.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  41. @stillCARealist
    Disagree. Mostly aggressive blacks prey upon each other for the violent stuff. Do you honestly care if one thug offs another thug?

    Theft is far more serious than your anecdote suggests. Your weedwacker didn't "walk", somebody stole it, probably to buy drugs, that was sold by illegals, who are sending the money to Mexico, or sponging off their gf's welfare, who send their kids to the local PS while paying zero property tax. This affects all of society down to the smallest detail.

    Further, don't overlook the scammers who prey upon the elderly or gullible people. Right now my family is expending a lot of time and resources to fix the chaos created by a scammer who nailed an elderly relative. It gets complicated and the police are pretty much useless in getting to the bottom of this crap.

    Agree. Broken windows or stolen weed eaters matter.

    Crack down hard on the small stuff and the bad guys will go somewhere else.

    The cops have a good idea who the bad guys are. In the Good Old Days, the cops would take them down to the station house and tune them up.

  42. @res
    Great anecdote. How did the rest of the audience react? Did any interesting conversations come out of that?

    I wonder how things would have played out if the South African had been white.

    “How did the rest of the audience react?”

    I didn’t see the rest of the attendees’ reactions. I was too busy suppressing my mirth while watching the show from the midst of it–I was sitting between the Africans (I’m popular with Africans, probably because I’m politically incorrect and so are they.). Indeed, now that I think about about, witnessing my amusement may have caused the leader to spring into action faster since she already knew that I derived enjoyment from political incorrectness.

    “Did any interesting conversations come out of that?”

    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing.

    “how things would have played out if the South African had been white.”

    If the South African had been Anglo, then probably he would have been afraid to say anything.

    If the South African had been Afrikaner, then probably he would have said the same as the black, but the leader would have blamed just him instead of both Africans.

    • Replies: @res

    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing
     
    I know, but it is not like they are omnipotent, or omnipresent.

    Thanks for your elaboration.
  43. @Almost Missouri

    "How did the rest of the audience react?"
     
    I didn't see the rest of the attendees' reactions. I was too busy suppressing my mirth while watching the show from the midst of it--I was sitting between the Africans (I'm popular with Africans, probably because I'm politically incorrect and so are they.). Indeed, now that I think about about, witnessing my amusement may have caused the leader to spring into action faster since she already knew that I derived enjoyment from political incorrectness.

    "Did any interesting conversations come out of that?"
     
    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing.

    "how things would have played out if the South African had been white."
     
    If the South African had been Anglo, then probably he would have been afraid to say anything.

    If the South African had been Afrikaner, then probably he would have said the same as the black, but the leader would have blamed just him instead of both Africans.

    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing

    I know, but it is not like they are omnipotent, or omnipresent.

    Thanks for your elaboration.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I did talk with the South African at some length on other occasions, as we were pretty friendly. He explained that a lot of the South African politics that first-worlders take to be ideological competition are actually tribal, with the ideology just depending on the most recent foreign sponsor. He sketched out the the tribal divisions at the time, but I confess I no longer remember them now.

    He also described moving as a kid with his mother to a white neighborhood. They eventually decided to move out again. It wasn't that the whites were hostile; they weren't. It was just that the white customs and habits were too alien, burdensome and absurd. "Crazy white people," as he put it. I imagine his family's reaction was like my reaction at being in a white, liberal college town. People there pride themselves on their niceness, but they drive me crazy anyway.

  44. @Alfa158
    I agree but it should only apply to police in predominantly White areas. They are the people actually paying for the police and they want aggressive and diligent policing in their own areas. I really don’t hear many complaints from Blacks about the more lackadaisical post-Ferguson police patrolling in their own neighborhood. It seems to be coming primarily from NYT writers complaining about it on behalf of their, no real moral agency, “wards”. This is because the Black community seems to have a more relaxed attitude to crime. Even law abiding Blacks have many friends and family members who are out on the margins of the law and don’t want to see them busted. Similarly, their culture is just more tolerant of casual violence, noise, drugs, traffic violations and so forth and they don’t want the cops looking hard for violations. You can think of them wanting a police force that is more like the fire department, where you generally call them when needed. A police force should try to adapt to the community, and it’s standards where possible, so the Black community wants a police force that isn’t too up-tight about the “ain’t no big thing” things. It’s all about what they call “community based policing”.
    I suspect that the Ferguson effect will be with us for the foreseeable future.

    Similarly, their culture is just more tolerant of casual violence, noise, drugs, traffic violations and so forth and they don’t want the cops looking hard for violations. You can think of them wanting a police force that is more like the fire department, where you generally call them when needed. A police force should try to adapt to the community

    I generally agree, the problem comes when the black casual attitude towards crime overlays a white population. As people in the southern US understood for centuries, separation is the best solution.

    Sure, if we went back to some form of segregation, blacks and their self-appointed lefty spokespeople would ceaselessly complain that black schools, neighborhoods, etc were worse than the white ones (caused by vandalism, inability/refusal to perform maintenance, etc etc) but what would really be different? They complain ceaselessly already.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  45. @Mike Zwick

    Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics toward black people.
     
    Why would you want aggressive police tactics? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/13/four-women-wanted-for-pummeling-applebees-waitress-in-georgia-police-say.html

    four women who they say started an all-out brawl

    The tendency in the MSM to refer to violent attacks of 1-2 whites by groups of blacks as a “brawl” or “fight” is really tiresome. “Fight” implies some voluntary decision by both parties to engage in combat.

    Packs of four obese ghetto trash females pummeling then stabbing one white woman is not a “fight” or a “brawl”.

  46. @res

    Lol. No. The purpose of seminar leaders is to prevent that kind of thing
     
    I know, but it is not like they are omnipotent, or omnipresent.

    Thanks for your elaboration.

    I did talk with the South African at some length on other occasions, as we were pretty friendly. He explained that a lot of the South African politics that first-worlders take to be ideological competition are actually tribal, with the ideology just depending on the most recent foreign sponsor. He sketched out the the tribal divisions at the time, but I confess I no longer remember them now.

    He also described moving as a kid with his mother to a white neighborhood. They eventually decided to move out again. It wasn’t that the whites were hostile; they weren’t. It was just that the white customs and habits were too alien, burdensome and absurd. “Crazy white people,” as he put it. I imagine his family’s reaction was like my reaction at being in a white, liberal college town. People there pride themselves on their niceness, but they drive me crazy anyway.

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