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  1. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. If the Atlantic article had discovered that while household tasks were handled equitably (with the men still doing the dirty jobs, the heavy lifting) yet men were doing most of the strategizing, they would be damned. Let’s face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Daniel H

    You’re quite correct, but they have the Megaphone.

    The only remedy is for men to start organizing.

    , @Hannah Katz
    @Daniel H

    No no no! We are by nature improvers. A smart woman looks for a perfect man, so she can improve him, or something. Mine is better at vacuuming than me, and that makes me feel inadequate! Does he not care about my feelings???

    , @AnotherDad
    @Daniel H


    Let’s face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.
     
    Women are designed to be tedious and "discontented" when it comes to the care and welfare of their children. If they insure everything is "A Ok" their kids have a better chance to survive and reproduce. It can be occasionally annoying but is socially valuable.

    We are cursed to live in an age, where women have few--sometimes no--children and grandchildren, and in which we--stupidly--have given them positions and platforms to broadcast their--now misdirected, purposeless and sometimes destructive--tediousness and discontent to all and sundry.
    , @Joe862
    @Daniel H

    Women need to be told to want something that will make them happy. That way they'll want it and when they get it have a chance to be happy. Now they're told to want a big career, and those big careers seldom make them happy. So they're miserable but too stupid or dishonest to assess the situation accurately. And they fall back on blaming men. boo hoo.

    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it's exclusively hers. I've tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

  2. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:

    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: “Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well? How does that work? How the hell am I supposed to do that?” Particularly irritating is when she gets me to do something she does 99% of the time, I come in cold, and then get berated for not knowing how to do the job or doing it not to her specifications.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Usually this is for dual career couples, of whom there are a lot in the Atlantic’s target audience.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Anonymous

    Unless she has small children to take care of that stress her out, it sounds like she needs to start working for pay.

    , @Rosie
    @Anonymous


    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: “Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well?
     
    Listen very carefully to what your wife says. Yes, I mean that very seriously. Listen to exactly what she says, and then decide whether she is being reasonable or not.

    When I ask Mr. Rosie to "help around the house," I almost always mean not making more work for me than is necessary. If I'm out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them. This can all be accomplished in a matter of seconds. Indeed, if it is too much trouble, you can even make the kids do it. If you order some more Pokémon crap, put the packaging in the trash, etc.

    Now, I have no idea what your wife means when she says "help around the house." She could be talking about something completely different. All I'm saying is, make sure you understand what it is she is asking before you judge her for it.

    At the end of the day, we have limited time and energy. If we have to spend all of our time picking up, there's never any time to actually clean anything, and we find that extremely frustrating. Good luck!

    As for us being "managers" in the household, of course we are! Those of us who are SAHM wouldn't have it any other way. And our husbands like it that way, too. We tell them whatntp do and they do it (usually). After all, it's only fair. If men and kids are going to expect Mom to know where everything is, they should put it where we tell them to put it. Maybe working moms feel differently.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @The Plutonium Kid
    @Anonymous

    When she starts complaining about you not helping out around the house, complain about her not helping you out around the office.

  3. Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”

    Silly. The man’s job isn’t to “help”. It is to earn enough to hire the help.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    That red-headed "house"keeper is likely trouble, Reg. As the manager, I would not hire her, especially if my kids have any pet rabbits... just sayin'...

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dr. Krieger

    , @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, the Fixer fixed it so she is not constrained by photographic margins. Isn't that some kind of microaggression on the black guy?

    This is from a Daily Mail story about modern British domestic servants or something? How can it be none of them are overweight?

    EDIT: Man, Reg's photo is getting more comments than the original article.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    It is to earn enough to hire the help.
     
    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/americans-are-biased-in-favor-of-black-authors/#comment-5403041 (#27)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Cortes, @James J. O'Meara

    , @Anon7
    @Reg Cæsar

    Alternatively, let the wife have her work career after the kids are old enough to be in school, as long as she earns enough to "replace herself", i.e., the husband hires a succession of nice, obedient young women to pick up and take care of the kids after school, shop, do laundry and fix simple meals on time, from 2-6pm Monday thru Friday.

    Obey the article, and be the manager! You hire the girl, instruct her on exactly what to do, how to do it, and you set the salary and you pay her. Feminism doesn't come into it, because this bright young thing is working, earning her own money, and making her way in the world. You go, girl! And, if she doesn't work out, fire her and find a better one.

    , @Tex
    @Reg Cæsar

    The fixer ought to change out of that if she's gonna replace the leaky side sprayer in the kitchen.

    , @TWS
    @Reg Cæsar

    Christ I wouldn't let most of them in my house.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    How long before the chauffer impregnates the fixer and/or the housekeeper? Or indeed the lady of the house. Not forgetting the maternity nurse. Maybe.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

    , @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    A "fixer" in this context is not a repairman but someone who gets things done. Local zoning authorities won't allow construction of a huge swimming pool in the backyard? The fixer gets them to change their minds, and the pool can be built. The homeowners' son has gotten into a spot o' bother, perhaps involving an underage girl? The fixer makes sure everything quietly goes away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    They have The Fixer manspreading.

  4. Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it “managing”? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don’t tell the Wife, though, she’ll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Old Prude


    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.
     
    Yeah, I'm not saying that you *should* do it, but I understand the motivation....
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Old Prude

    "Three things there be that drive a goodman from the house: a leaky roof, a smoky chimney, and a scolding wife."
    Medieval wisdom

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Old Prude


    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.
     
    The distinction Bill Burr has made is both instructive and insightful.

    You do not hit a woman. However, "there are plenty of fuckin' reasons" to want to.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQnha99sTY
    , @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    “Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.”

    You mean it’s illegal, as well as it should be.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Bill Jones
    @Old Prude


    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.
     
    It's been downhill ever since they limited it to a stick no thicker than ones thumb.
    That was what the 1400's?
  5. Feminism is inherently incoherent. Unfortunately, it seems that most women who have spent more than a few years in (and especially those native to) the modern West are infected with a world view that leads to anger, dissatisfaction, and likely childlessness.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Technite78

    I realize the birth rate has plummeted in recent years but don't the majority of reproductive age women have children?

  6. A major qualification for being a ‘manager’ rather than a ‘worker’ is that the manager has to ‘care’ about the operation being performed. (eg the manager might take work issues home while the worker leaves them happily at the office.)
    When it comes to housework, men really don’t care as much as women do about the details. If it’s basically clean, fine. If we can find what we need, when we need it, that’s tidy enough. If we’ve got the groceries we need to eat, fine.
    And we’re not certainly worried about what the guys think of our house if they come visit!

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @ThatsNotAll
    @Hans Tholstrup

    It was an epiphany for my wife to have an older friend give the advice: "If you want your husband to do the dishes don't scold him for how he loads the dishwasher."

    , @Joe862
    @Hans Tholstrup

    If it were up to me I wouldn't have half of the crap we do. I don't want it because I don't want to spend a lot of time cleaning, and maintaining it. Women are the ones that want to have the mountains of crap and all the work that comes with it.

  7. It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she’s never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don’t mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?
     
    I've noticed that in feminist screeds about how men don't share in the housework, they don't include things like plumbing, wiring, carpentry, automotive work, etc. No, the only thing that counts in maintaining a household is cleaning the bathroom and doing the laundry.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Charon

    , @fish
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Crap Achmed….it’s like you’re standing over my shoulder. Your description is almost exactly my last two weekends including the lack of any productive effort at the gas ⛽️ pump by Mrs. fish!

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she’s never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don’t mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

     

    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants' contributions. I imagine that this effect is amplified when the organs of the popular culture send an incessant message to women that they're being taken advantage of by society at large, their children, and especially their husbands in an attempt to convert discontent into political capital.

    Men tend to underestimate the time and effort put into homemaking, and women underestimate the time and effort put into home maintenance, improvement, landscaping, etc. Complicate this with unequal financial contributions and dedication to careers and you're just never going to get anywhere bean counting respective contributions other than resentment.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As a resident of New Jersey, neither have I

    , @Dr. X
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager.
     
    Yeah, no shit.

    When my wife says "Can we paint the house a different color?" I say "Sure, the ladder's in the garage, go grab it and start at the top."

    The color hasn't changed yet...
  8. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    That red-headed “house”keeper is likely trouble, Reg. As the manager, I would not hire her, especially if my kids have any pet rabbits… just sayin’…

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    That red-headed “house”keeper is likely trouble
     
    The blonde too shiny for you?

    Me, I'd worry about the black chef (unintentionally) poisoning me or the butch maternity nurse causing SIDS.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mandrill with a hand drill

    , @Dr. Krieger
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The housekeeper has man-hands, no chest and huge calves.

    Don't worry about your kids' rabbits. Worry about your kids.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  9. Look, it’s Paul McCartney!
    https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/paul-mccartney-bruce-springsteen-billie-eilish-glastonbury-audience-bbc-1235304915/

    While Steve looks at Paul, read this:
    WHATS HAPPENED TODAY THAT SHILLS ARE DESPERATE TO DISTRACT FROM:

    1. Hunter Biden’s voicemail box revealing Joe Biden had ILLEGAL FINANCIAL DEALINGS IN UKRAINE AND CHINA that Hunter was the patsy for, and that Hunter was having sex with Russian hookers and his daddy was paying for all of it, and JOE KNEW and had direct conversations about, the EXACT thing they claimed Trump was guilty of but never had any proof. [Also something we strongly suspected on extremely good grounds back before the election, but which mainstream journalists and government authorities insisted was a Russian disinformation story.]
    https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/calls-for-action-as-biden-voicemail-reveals-he-knew-of-hunter-china-deals/amp/

    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.

    3. Nobody giving a &%# anymore about Roe versus Wade and Democrats overplaying their hand. [Some Roe antifas are actually being atrested. They must be so confused.]

    4. Nobody giving a &#\[email protected] about the January 6th committee so they publish this story to pretend something suddenly matters, but they have no proof.

    But by all means believe that Trump wanted to personally storm the capitol by ramming it with his car and then lobbing grenades, after painting walls with ketchup. If anything that makes him look better.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Russ, DCThrowback
    • Replies: @Charon
    @J.Ross

    I like your ideas--really I do--but in your haste to describe the world as it should be I fear you underestimate the degree to which the public consciousness is molded by the mass media.

    Whose primary purpose, after all, is to mold the public consciousness. And they have gotten very good at it over the past century.

    , @Anon
    @J.Ross


    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.
     
    This is a losing issue. Middle-class normies don't want to be associated with white knighting for underage prostitutes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Gabe Ruth

    , @Cagey Beast
    @J.Ross

    Donald Trump is one half of a deep cover sabotage team brought together by the Soviets and now loyal to Russia. Proof? Here it is:

    https://twitter.com/DEMOCRATICHAWK/status/1542175514416529408?s=20&t=FAP4V7ib4VrSR3R9QFQfbg

    Replies: @J.Ross

  10. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who’s “seen things.”

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who’ll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who’s been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Thanks: Old Prude, Charon
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Re; Butler-Importing from the UK is all the rage now among the smart set. Re; Fixer-I wouldn't trust that woman to fix a card game.

    Replies: @SFG, @G. Poulin, @bomag

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie


    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).
     
    Well, it is from the Daily Mail. Up until Brexit, they had all of Poland to draw upon.
    , @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    >Indian driver
    NO NO NO SIR DO NOT REDEEM

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).
     
    I disagree. The help in the photographs are old money help. The hootenanny you described is generally nouveau riche.

    I knew a very rich couple in Santa Barbara. They had a white, blonde nanny from Sweden who was also stunning. She lives in the guest house, and is happy as a clam. She has a gracious European farm-girl charm about her because… that’s where she came from.

    I have some other friend who are nouveau riche, live on a 2 acre spread in Anaheim, and their nanny is an extremely ethnic looking wee fat woman from central Mexico, her fixit husband the same, and they live together with their family in the guest house. They recently bought a condo that they rent out for extra money. Entire family is illegal, btw.

    Supporting that entire family is probably about the same cost as that one Swedish nanny. She’s not a cheap gig. Nouveau riche are cheap. They haven’t yet figured out the correct money/quality of life ratio. So they don’t mind hosting a central Mexican village.

    Oh, also, black help is out of the question for both because they tend to steal. American whites, same problem. Mexicans and Europeans don’t. Filipinos… maybe yes, maybe no… be careful.

    You want white help that don’t steal? You have to get your game from Scandinavia. And it’s gonna cost ya. But then, every morning you wake up, and wander into your living room, a 26 year old blonde, trim, Swedish girl is there in her bathrobe, getting your kids ready for school. That’s the correct money/quality of life ratio old money understands.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Spangel226

    , @Tex
    @Twinkie

    There's no gamekeeper. How else shall one prevent poaching of pheasants on one's estate?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Twinkie

    Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French,
    the mechanics German, the lovers Italian, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

    Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss,
    the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.

    Author Unknown

  11. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    That red-headed "house"keeper is likely trouble, Reg. As the manager, I would not hire her, especially if my kids have any pet rabbits... just sayin'...

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dr. Krieger

    That red-headed “house”keeper is likely trouble

    The blonde too shiny for you?

    Me, I’d worry about the black chef (unintentionally) poisoning me or the butch maternity nurse causing SIDS.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    I don't exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I've never heard the term. My policy is that nobody but family and friends goes inside our house, with the very occasional exception for Jehovah's Witness ladies, when we fucked up and answered the door without noticing that same vehicle.

    If I had a butler, he'd need to be named Jeeves, even if we had to go to the courthouse to take care of that.

    Replies: @SaxoPhilologus, @Luddite in Chief

    , @Mandrill with a hand drill
    @Twinkie

    Maternity nurses should be related. Wife will breastfeed until the child is five. The child will not sleep alone, left to cry itself to sleep.

  12. @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Re; Butler-Importing from the UK is all the rage now among the smart set. Re; Fixer-I wouldn’t trust that woman to fix a card game.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @SFG
    @kaganovitch

    I suspect the fixer, given her dress, is some sort of social problem-solver—even wokies know you don’t fix pipes dressed like that.

    , @G. Poulin
    @kaganovitch

    The blonde is going to fix something all right, and it ain't your marriage.

    , @bomag
    @kaganovitch

    I figured Fixer was a made-up category to be filled with eye candy.

  13. I have no idea what it means, and I couldn’t read the article as it’s behind a paywall, but in most couples I know and in my own experience, the man is the own who fixes the sink / leak in the ceiling / garage door broken / whatever else needs fixing, and the woman just stands there complaining that there are also other things to fix, or that he isn’t doing it well enough.

    Then, besides the man doing all the traditional male housework without help, she’ll also expect him to “share” or help with the traditional female house work — cooking, doing dishes, helping with the children/baby/ pets/etc.

    That’s called “equality”.

  14. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Re; Butler-Importing from the UK is all the rage now among the smart set. Re; Fixer-I wouldn't trust that woman to fix a card game.

    Replies: @SFG, @G. Poulin, @bomag

    I suspect the fixer, given her dress, is some sort of social problem-solver—even wokies know you don’t fix pipes dressed like that.

  15. @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).

    Well, it is from the Daily Mail. Up until Brexit, they had all of Poland to draw upon.

    • Thanks: Twinkie
  16. I read a psych article that explored what motivated Asian-American women who marry Caucasian men. They sought, the author concluded, “egalitarian knighthood.” Makes sense. The “knighthood” part is, as Reg writes, the ability to earn money. Rescue me. The “egalitarian” part is easy; Chaucer had it figured out a heckuva long time ago, in “The Wife of Bath’s Tale.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @SafeNow

    Nah, that’s just rationalization. The fact is, traditionally, educated white males were high status and Asian women were hoping to assimilate into upscale America by marrying white (meanwhile Asian men generally had lower status in America).

    As the socio-economic status of Asian males in America has risen dramatically (see your local hospital), the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Pixo

  17. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Give her this:

  18. American feminist Lindy West has shown that feminism amounts to letting your husband persuade you into liking the fact that he porks a hotter, more petit number.

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindy-west-husband/

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Ragged

    Feminist gal Lindy West: fat, ugly, opinionated, unfeminine.

    guy: different race, got a loser face despite his decent looks.

    3rd wheel: plain jane with tattoos and vacuous stare.

    Verdict: Lindy wanted to be different, got an interracial bf, and when he started to stray, Lindy decided that she could work that into being different by jumping on the poly fad. BF was all for it, since Lindy's fame probably brings home some money and he can close his eyes when he bangs her. 3rd wheel is stupid and easily pushed around, so bf and Lindy can take turns abusing her.

    Future: breaks down into abuse and hurling insults. BF might end up coming out as gay after it all. Vacuous girl dies of o.d. Lindy doesn't even bother with their funerals ("too patriarchal, and btw look at my new trans adopted child!")

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    , @ic1000
    @Ragged

    Re: American feminist Lindy West's group interview with her husband and his live-in mistress

    Yikes. Way-TMI self-debasing non-comedy.

    If only feminist gender expert [sic] Kate Mangino could have interviewed this throuple about equality in household chores. A $1,000 insight bill left on the sidewalk.

    , @fish
    @Ragged

    More petit yes.....

    Hotter? All thre of them are fugly!

  19. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    Well, the Fixer fixed it so she is not constrained by photographic margins. Isn’t that some kind of microaggression on the black guy?

    This is from a Daily Mail story about modern British domestic servants or something? How can it be none of them are overweight?

    EDIT: Man, Reg’s photo is getting more comments than the original article.

  20. @SafeNow
    I read a psych article that explored what motivated Asian-American women who marry Caucasian men. They sought, the author concluded, “egalitarian knighthood.” Makes sense. The “knighthood” part is, as Reg writes, the ability to earn money. Rescue me. The “egalitarian” part is easy; Chaucer had it figured out a heckuva long time ago, in “The Wife of Bath’s Tale.”

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Nah, that’s just rationalization. The fact is, traditionally, educated white males were high status and Asian women were hoping to assimilate into upscale America by marrying white (meanwhile Asian men generally had lower status in America).

    As the socio-economic status of Asian males in America has risen dramatically (see your local hospital), the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, SFG
    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Twinkie

    Thanks. Assuming Asian-American males are now economically capable of making the rescue - - the knighthood part - - what about the egalitarian part? You don’t mention this. So, the Asian gal has given up on assimilating into domestic Eurogamy? Or, your Chinese doc at the hospital has himself assimilated into it, he’s dropped his cultural (and wired? - - uh oh) predilection to dominate, so no worries for her.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Pixo
    @Twinkie

    “ the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.”

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.

    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980:

    “ Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    While NE Asians do seem to be pulling away from non-hispanic whites in test scores and income, they tend to use this higher income to buy expensive real estate and schooling in high cost coastal areas that are population sinks.

    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Twinkie

  21. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    That red-headed "house"keeper is likely trouble, Reg. As the manager, I would not hire her, especially if my kids have any pet rabbits... just sayin'...

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Dr. Krieger

    The housekeeper has man-hands, no chest and huge calves.

    Don’t worry about your kids’ rabbits. Worry about your kids.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dr. Krieger

    Ugghhh, Doc, now that you mention it and I looked more closely, that's a man, baby!

  22. (Finding these equal partners was a challenge; many men who initially identified themselves as such to Mangino became ineligible after their partner said otherwise.)

    The Atlantic should add a comedy section and publish these interviews.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Barnard

    > The Atlantic should add a comedy section and publish these interviews.

    Back when the Atlantic was a magazine, aspired to publishing intellectual articles, and I subscribed, I would’ve skipped this piece after the first few unpromising paragraphs.

    The interviewee doesn’t claim expertise in marital happiness or child-raising effectiveness; neither she nor the reporter can imagine that wise readers value these more than gendrification.

    So, comedy. After a fashion.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  23. The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    • LOL: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.
     

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump's will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ron Mexico, @ic1000, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Ebony Obelisk


    The hearing testimony today was devastating
     
    The thing that really ought to be investigated is why some parents name their daughters "Cassidy".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @fish
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Oh Ebony's Duck......

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Ebony Obelisk


    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested
     
    Of course, only in their dreams. If you had to bet on the choice of Trump Runs/Trump Doesn't Run, where would you lay your money?

    Meanwhile, the other side's obsession with Trump is wondrous to behold. I suppose having a bogeyman is highly symptomatic of stunted adult growth. Same with Putin.

    I guess when you have no religion, or at the least an appreciation of the religious sensibility, you have to find a Satan somewhere.
    , @tyrone
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Your betters are laughing at you.....Trump will be your next president and you will benefit in spite of yourself.....suck on that.

    , @Anon7
    @Ebony Obelisk

    “Someone told a friend of an acquaintance who knows someone who said they saw Trump hijack the Space X rocket and he yelled THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY as he flew by the international space station.”

    @physicsgeek on Twitter today

    , @mc23
    @Ebony Obelisk

    No way something so sweet to dish wouldn't have come out long before.

    One reason to like Trump is how he unhinged his opponents. Out of office for over a year and they are flailing around trying to destroy him. Who would have figured a sleazy, gouche real estate developer would be the most honest politician in America.

  24. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    It is to earn enough to hire the help.

    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/americans-are-biased-in-favor-of-black-authors/#comment-5403041 (#27)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    Deys no need anymore, mon. Dey sell it in dispensaries mon.

    , @Cortes
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Weren’t Chandler’s gardeners all fanatical Japanese, mercilessly uprooting every last weed from lawns and flower beds?

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    At one of his other three job. What, you have only one job, you lazy bumbaclot!

  25. @Twinkie
    @SafeNow

    Nah, that’s just rationalization. The fact is, traditionally, educated white males were high status and Asian women were hoping to assimilate into upscale America by marrying white (meanwhile Asian men generally had lower status in America).

    As the socio-economic status of Asian males in America has risen dramatically (see your local hospital), the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Pixo

    Thanks. Assuming Asian-American males are now economically capable of making the rescue – – the knighthood part – – what about the egalitarian part? You don’t mention this. So, the Asian gal has given up on assimilating into domestic Eurogamy? Or, your Chinese doc at the hospital has himself assimilated into it, he’s dropped his cultural (and wired? – – uh oh) predilection to dominate, so no worries for her.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @SafeNow

    Asian Americans seem to turn into Asian-shaped Americans pretty quick, from what I can tell. “But my grandma cooks pork buns!”

  26. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    It is to earn enough to hire the help.
     
    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/americans-are-biased-in-favor-of-black-authors/#comment-5403041 (#27)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Cortes, @James J. O'Meara

    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    Deys no need anymore, mon. Dey sell it in dispensaries mon.

  27. @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    That red-headed “house”keeper is likely trouble
     
    The blonde too shiny for you?

    Me, I'd worry about the black chef (unintentionally) poisoning me or the butch maternity nurse causing SIDS.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mandrill with a hand drill

    I don’t exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I’ve never heard the term. My policy is that nobody but family and friends goes inside our house, with the very occasional exception for Jehovah’s Witness ladies, when we fucked up and answered the door without noticing that same vehicle.

    If I had a butler, he’d need to be named Jeeves, even if we had to go to the courthouse to take care of that.

    • Replies: @SaxoPhilologus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Jeeves was a valet, not a butler.

    , @Luddite in Chief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I don’t exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I’ve never heard the term.
     
    Simple put, a fixer is someone who can arrange ("fix") anything you need. Looking for a hot date? A fixer can arrange it. Got a member of the awkward squad clogging up your life? A fixer can arrange for their sudden disappearance.

    In short, if you have a need, a fixer can fulfill it (for the right price, of course).

    The best example of a fixer I know of is the crooked mayor (played by Clarence Kolb) in His Girl Friday (1940) with Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell.

    (If you are not familiar with the film, trust me, it repays a viewing.)

    The scene you want to look for is two-thirds of the way into the film. It's the one where a messenger shows up with a rather inconvenient pardon and the mayor contrives to get rid of him so he will stay of the way until it is too late.

    That is "fixing."

    (Oh, and: that woman in the picture from The Daily Mail? That is some idiot SJW's idea of what a fixer should look like. Like most ideas SJWs have, it bears no connection to reality whatever. The DM has a mostly female readership, which is why it can indulge in such fantasies without losing subscribers.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @The Anti-Gnostic

  28. @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    >Indian driver
    NO NO NO SIR DO NOT REDEEM

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    @J.Ross

    Nice reference.

  29. George Clooney’s title character in Michael Clayton was a fixer, and, as was suggested, a more classic fixer would look like the older bread enthusiast who Epsteined. That chick is a “life coach” or HR witch, not a fixer.

  30. Its amazing how much influence personalities with high trait neuroticism now have on our culture.
    My wife sent me a link to a separate article pointing at same underlying research. I didn’t bother getting into an ideological argument about it. She’s just trying to tell me that she’s stressed out. But really how insidious is this whole system of thinking about the world. It pathologises loving and well functioning relationships, which always have a division of labour according to different preferences and competency. Maybe the reason that women do so much of the organising of the household is that they tend to be so much better at it and like to have that control. No! All responsibilities that fall to women are a burden and all those that fall to men are priviledge and patriarchy. We are each neurologically identical blank slates so any unequal distribution is the result of systemic malevolence.

  31. Hmmmm…the Fixer or the Housekeeper? Gotta say the Housekeeper,in the drawing room,with a snifter (Snifter? Hell, I…😉😉) of Philbert Rare Cask Sherry.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    "Gotta say the Housekeeper,in the drawing room,with a snifter"


    My father he was a good old man
    He put me to service when I was very young
    Me missus and me, we never could agree
    Because of my master, he would love me

    Missus sent me upstairs to the loft
    To make up a bed so neat and soft
    Master followed after with a gay gold ring
    Saying, “Betty, have this for your bedmaking.”

    Mistress come upstairs in a great haste
    Caught the master there with his arm round me waist
    From the top to the bottom stair she did him fling
    Saying, “Mister have that for your bedmaking.”
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGKF-fbQJCM
  32. What is Laurene Powell Jobs’ current net worth?

    How much of “the help” is on her payroll?

    • LOL: Art Deco
  33. Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”

    And why do they think this is?

  34. Or helping his wife around the house just makes her disdain her husband more….

  35. FWIW – All my Taiwanese wife’s many male first cousins married Asians. All of her female first cousins (and her one sister) married Caucasians.

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by "housework". When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she's never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don't mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @fish, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @ScarletNumber, @Dr. X

    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    I’ve noticed that in feminist screeds about how men don’t share in the housework, they don’t include things like plumbing, wiring, carpentry, automotive work, etc. No, the only thing that counts in maintaining a household is cleaning the bathroom and doing the laundry.

    • Agree: Gordo, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Mr. Anon

    Exactly. Feminist's view is reduced to the sphere they care about--call it cleaning. They leave out all mechanical, electrical and storage systems, appliances, etc. And yet, feminists want "help" with those in their sphere, while remarking, "I can't do that!" when it comes to your sphere.

    There is a division of labor--but it doesn't overcome the double standard they live by. No wonder they tend to populate Democrat politics...

    , @Charon
    @Mr. Anon

    Yardwork, roofing repair, HVAC, masonry projects, window repair, moving furniture, taking out the trash & recycling, appliance repair, audio/visual system setup, maintenance, replacement...exterior cleaning, internet [as in, anything to do with]; building fires and cleaning up after;
    managing investments, etc etc.

    And of course earning the money to pay for everything.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by "housework". When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she's never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don't mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @fish, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @ScarletNumber, @Dr. X

    Crap Achmed….it’s like you’re standing over my shoulder. Your description is almost exactly my last two weekends including the lack of any productive effort at the gas ⛽️ pump by Mrs. fish!

  38. @Achmed E. Newman
    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by "housework". When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she's never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don't mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @fish, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @ScarletNumber, @Dr. X

    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she’s never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don’t mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants’ contributions. I imagine that this effect is amplified when the organs of the popular culture send an incessant message to women that they’re being taken advantage of by society at large, their children, and especially their husbands in an attempt to convert discontent into political capital.

    Men tend to underestimate the time and effort put into homemaking, and women underestimate the time and effort put into home maintenance, improvement, landscaping, etc. Complicate this with unequal financial contributions and dedication to careers and you’re just never going to get anywhere bean counting respective contributions other than resentment.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants’ contributions
     
    Correct. Also, women who live on their own do far more housework than men who live on their own.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    You're right that doing bean counting on it is not the way to go, Alec. However, I see what goes on. I know when I've been lazy and when I've worked hard. I may very well work less on man's work than my wife does for long periods of time, when everything is working right.

    A big thing though, is that I am responsible for it all working, not my wife. Her stuff is steady and, yes, tedious, but not stressful. So, who is the manager in general, Atlantic writers? (Maybe none of them live in anything but rentals or own any vehicles.)

  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    I don't exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I've never heard the term. My policy is that nobody but family and friends goes inside our house, with the very occasional exception for Jehovah's Witness ladies, when we fucked up and answered the door without noticing that same vehicle.

    If I had a butler, he'd need to be named Jeeves, even if we had to go to the courthouse to take care of that.

    Replies: @SaxoPhilologus, @Luddite in Chief

    Jeeves was a valet, not a butler.

  40. Lesbian Eye for the Married Guy (Ms. Mangino)

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jon

    Is a Mangino a more masculine version of a mangina?

    Men should always take relationship advice from a lesbian ;-)

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Brutusale
    @Jon

    Her "man" looks like housework is no stranger.

    https://www.friendsoftonga.org/cpages/evan-and-kate-buban-mangino/61f60d3596385f059945ff30

    Replies: @Clyde, @SFG

  41. @Twinkie
    @SafeNow

    Nah, that’s just rationalization. The fact is, traditionally, educated white males were high status and Asian women were hoping to assimilate into upscale America by marrying white (meanwhile Asian men generally had lower status in America).

    As the socio-economic status of Asian males in America has risen dramatically (see your local hospital), the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Pixo

    “ the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.”

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.

    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980:

    “ Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    While NE Asians do seem to be pulling away from non-hispanic whites in test scores and income, they tend to use this higher income to buy expensive real estate and schooling in high cost coastal areas that are population sinks.

    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pixo

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-09.png




    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.
     
    Here's some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

    https://imgur.com/a/cKlGB1x

    https://imgur.com/a/bmv6CVE

    Replies: @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Pixo


    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980
     
    The composition of "Asians" in the US since the 1980's has transformed dramatically as well. There were very few American-born South Asians in 1980 and even foreign-born South Asians were a very small fraction of the overall "Asian" population in the country.

    Indians alone are now the second largest Asian group in the U.S. and, within a generation or two, will likely be the largest fraction of "Asian-Americans."

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.
     
    It's not "either or." All those factors matter. Note that there isn't just a larger pool of Asian males in the U.S. They are substantially higher status now, both socially and economically, than, say, in 1980. A part of the reason is that there are now many more American-born Asians who don't follow their parents into running dry cleaners and corner grocery stores, but are doctors, lawyers, engineers, and army officers. Another reason is that immigrant Asians are increasingly very highly selected educationally and already come ready to join higher tiers of the workforce from the beginning (e.g. medicine, IT, etc.).

    And, yes, there has been a declining pool of "suitable and employed whites [males]" as you point out, but this simply means, again, that the relative socio-economic status of Asian males (vis-a-vis white males) in America has risen.
  42. Translation: If you are an XY chromosome man, it’s your fault.

  43. @Achmed E. Newman
    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by "housework". When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she's never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don't mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @fish, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @ScarletNumber, @Dr. X

    As a resident of New Jersey, neither have I

    • LOL: R.G. Camara, J.Ross
  44. Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to “order” men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren’t just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs’ widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Rooster16
    @R.G. Camara

    It’s true that women are baffled by how guys can “just be happy”. It’s also true that women constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet? Bet you never have asked them that once! It’s because men and women are different! Women’s brains have been described as a hamster wheel that never stops spinning, and I’d say that’s a pretty accurate description.

    Replies: @The Real World

    , @Brutusale
    @R.G. Camara

    An experience with the girlfriend early in our relationship reflected this.

    I live in a lovely place in a nice suburban neighborhood. I keep it "guy clean": things like vacuuming and dusting are done when I think it needs it, not on a schedule. She, on the other hand, spends (wastes) a lot of time keeping her place surgically clean, or "cleaning clean" as I call it. She never brought up my housekeeping habits.

    A few weeks after we felt that we were close enough to exchange house keys, I arrived home from work one day midweek to find her car parked in front of the house. I heard the stereo playing as I walked up to the door and began to have all sorts of naughty thoughts. I silently went in and found nothing on the first floor but the washing machine running and the kitchen looking cleaner than usual. Upstairs, I saw that the sheets were stripped from my bed. Then I saw the bathroom light on. I looked in and saw two lovely legs and an even lovelier panty-clad butt bent over my bathtub scrubbing away in her knickers and one of my t-shirts. It was at that moment that she became a keeper.

    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she's worth the effort!

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @rebel yell
    @R.G. Camara

    When we first got married, I wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home. I wanted to eat out because it is quick and easy and I don't really care what I eat anyway.
    We never voted on the question of whether to eat out or cook at home. She made it clear this was non-negotiable.
    Thus began what has now been 25 years of meals at home, with me getting a weekly scolding for not helping enough in the kitchen and for being too stupid to know how to cook.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @James J. O'Meara, @Pontius

    , @Thomm
    @R.G. Camara


    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.
     
    They can't stand that men can be happy with so little.

    This is why Rosie panics at the very notion of more young men deciding to avoid the risks of modern marriage laws or otherwise deciding to work less than 70 hours/week, simply because those men aren't working to pay for things women want for free via the government. Rosie's only 'argument' is that 'these men don't realize they will be lonely when they are older!'. So she doesn't want them to have autonomy on their own life decisions, even though she openly is only about her interests, not theirs - they are just cattle to her.

    Note that Rosie never appears on threads like this one, since the men who could shellack her with the most style all aggregate on threads like this.


    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs’ widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.
     
    An important point. The Jobs estate and foundation is worth much more today than it was when Steve Jobs breathed his last on account of Apple's stock price gains since then, and he certainly would not have been 'woke' if alive today.

    That his lunatic widow has so much in the way of resources at her disposal to push the worst stupidities is one of the great tragedies of our age.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @R.G. Camara

    "It drives women crazy that men can just sit and be happy."

    https://youtu.be/JBBQdFSvvTE

    , @Herp McDerp
    @R.G. Camara

    Come on! Somebody has to reference Dave Barry's classic tale of what women think men think about:
    https://www.boredpanda.com/difference-between-men-women-dave-barry/

  45. Emmet Till would have been the manager, fixer, and all around manly man.

  46. Whiny women whining about men. Yawn. As certain as death and taxes.

    Real men and women have their particular small complaints about their spouse … wish he wouldn’t do that, wish she would do this … but just get on with building and enjoying life–and being men and women–together.

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @AnotherDad


    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”
     
    Such guys are usually quite desperate gammas, and think that by debasing themselves like this they can save the relationship and get back to having nookie with their spouse. Sadly, it won't happen -- once a woman starts down this road, she's off to divorce court once she gets the gumption off.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    Real men and women have their particular small complaints about their spouse … wish he wouldn’t do that, wish she would do this … but just get on with building and enjoying life–and being men and women–together.

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”.

    Liberal writers constantly project their weak relationships onto others.

    I honestly feel bad for the women that have to marry these guys. I'm not surprised the women try to control them. There is no way I could live with a liberal guy for more than a week.

    My wife and I don't try to control each other. We are more like friends and not in some boss/employee relationship.

    I'll do any type of work that needs to be done. Don't really care and my balls haven't fallen off yet.

    I have masculinity to spare but thanks for the concern libs. Maybe don't be such a liberal pushover and your wife won't try to boss you around like a mule.

  47. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).

    I disagree. The help in the photographs are old money help. The hootenanny you described is generally nouveau riche.

    I knew a very rich couple in Santa Barbara. They had a white, blonde nanny from Sweden who was also stunning. She lives in the guest house, and is happy as a clam. She has a gracious European farm-girl charm about her because… that’s where she came from.

    I have some other friend who are nouveau riche, live on a 2 acre spread in Anaheim, and their nanny is an extremely ethnic looking wee fat woman from central Mexico, her fixit husband the same, and they live together with their family in the guest house. They recently bought a condo that they rent out for extra money. Entire family is illegal, btw.

    Supporting that entire family is probably about the same cost as that one Swedish nanny. She’s not a cheap gig. Nouveau riche are cheap. They haven’t yet figured out the correct money/quality of life ratio. So they don’t mind hosting a central Mexican village.

    Oh, also, black help is out of the question for both because they tend to steal. American whites, same problem. Mexicans and Europeans don’t. Filipinos… maybe yes, maybe no… be careful.

    You want white help that don’t steal? You have to get your game from Scandinavia. And it’s gonna cost ya. But then, every morning you wake up, and wander into your living room, a 26 year old blonde, trim, Swedish girl is there in her bathrobe, getting your kids ready for school. That’s the correct money/quality of life ratio old money understands.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    You can see the obvious problem in having an attractive, young woman around the house.

    Imagine you have a husband in his early 40s. Still handsome, fit, athletic, full head of hair. Still energetic, fun, and full of libido. His wife, meanwhile, is aging badly. The wife is starting to experience weight gain, hair loss, wrinkling skin. Like most middle-aged women, the wife is increasingly shrewish and grumpy.

    Then suddenly the couple hire an attractive young female to look after both their kids.

    What do you think is going to happen?

    Such things aren't new.

    That's why upper-class American women like to hire fat Mexican nannies. At least no one is going to cheat on their wife with Consuela. Except maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    To be sure, these days it's a lot harder to get away with this type of thing. Women have become far more resistant to male advances. Especially if you're a successful man, you can very easily lose a lot if some young woman complains that you sexually harassed her.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    On the other hand, your black golfing buddy won't be able to keep his hands off your hot white nanny, then they get married, he goes through the period of whore mastering, gets badly beat up with his own golf clubs and finally divorced. Awkward.

    , @Spangel226
    @Anonymous

    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  48. @AnotherDad
    Whiny women whining about men. Yawn. As certain as death and taxes.


    Real men and women have their particular small complaints about their spouse ... wish he wouldn't do that, wish she would do this ... but just get on with building and enjoying life--and being men and women--together.

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly "work on their relationship".

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @John Johnson

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”

    Such guys are usually quite desperate gammas, and think that by debasing themselves like this they can save the relationship and get back to having nookie with their spouse. Sadly, it won’t happen — once a woman starts down this road, she’s off to divorce court once she gets the gumption off.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @R.G. Camara

    Honestly, from what I've seen, the majority of men are totally "whipped" by their female partners.

    Most guys debase themselves just to get OCCASIONAL starfish sex from a reluctant female partner.

    Unfortunately, this problem is getting worse. Most women have an extremely large number of options on online dating sites (Tinder, OkCupid, etc), while men struggle to get any matches. So single men have become very desperate, while women have become highly demanding. This is especially true for young people.

    If the guy tries to assert himself at all in the relationship, his girlfriend can quickly dump him and find an option on Tinder within a few hours.

    Lots of young men have been reduced to involuntary celibacy ("Incel"). Even "Normie" young men have to debase themselves to the max just to get some action. The youth dating scene is absolutely brutal these days.

    Nowadays, the only men who get any respect in relationships are good-looking & popular "Chads." Everyone else has to beg for scraps or risk becoming "Incel."

    In the past, a man could learn "pick up artistry" (PUA) and use various techniques to seduce women. Nowadays, unless you're very good-looking & desirable, using these techniques could get you accused of sexual harassment. It's also very hard to use these techniques on Tinder or social media. For all these reasons, interest in PUA has collapsed. Most PUA sites/blogs/forums have closed or faded into irrelevance.

    Dating has never been a fun experience for men, but it has never been as bad (especially for young men) as it is now. You can "thank" Tinder, social media, smartphones, and various new technologies for this. You can also "thank" #MeToo.

    Replies: @Onebelowall

  49. I, for one, welcome our new 2 year-old overlord.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No way is an IQ test valid for a two-year-old. What happened to Mensa? They used to have standards, at least as far as entrance.

    From the same link, a scandal involving one of Steve's favorite artists:


    FBI seizes Basquiat paintings over authenticity doubts

    Jean-Bedel Michel Basquiat is almost as bad as Picasso. His works belong in Frank Gehry buildings.


    https://i0.wp.com/media1.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/imager/u/original/31764926/20220214_oma_0018_web.jpg?w=770&ssl=1

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Bill Jones
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Why do I suspect it wouldn't have happened with a two year old boy?

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I can't wait until she starts posting about HBD on Unz.

    , @Right_On
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A white child, thank goodness. If she'd been black, we'd never hear the end of it.
    Unlike POTUS, I see she's smart enough to stick to riding a tricycle.
    https://i0.wp.com/www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/06/13/PLOU/9271f46b-2ac9-476d-949f-cfff5fc0dc19-AF5I7503.jpg?w=770&ssl=1

  50. @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    That red-headed “house”keeper is likely trouble
     
    The blonde too shiny for you?

    Me, I'd worry about the black chef (unintentionally) poisoning me or the butch maternity nurse causing SIDS.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mandrill with a hand drill

    Maternity nurses should be related. Wife will breastfeed until the child is five. The child will not sleep alone, left to cry itself to sleep.

  51. Look, I agree with all of the above but, hell, I have to go. I can hear the wife calling. She’s found me.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  52. @Pixo
    @Twinkie

    “ the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.”

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.

    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980:

    “ Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    While NE Asians do seem to be pulling away from non-hispanic whites in test scores and income, they tend to use this higher income to buy expensive real estate and schooling in high cost coastal areas that are population sinks.

    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Twinkie

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.

    Here’s some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

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    • Replies: @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow.

    A quarter of Black men out-marry.

    Thirty six percent of Asian women out-marry.

    I didn't realize abortion rates were so high.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123


    White men interracially marry more often than White women.
     
    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal's children aren't seen as white at all.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    White men interracially marry more often than White women.
     
    Correct. In general, men are more liberal about where they'll park. But the wives and children of *men* generally become part of the tribe--the man's tribe. Not so with women.

    And, in the US white men are out marrying much, much, much more sensibly than white women.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks for the data. I am not surprised that Koreans have the lowest abortion rate among the groups you listed. They are the most Christian among that bunch (I'd like to see the numbers for the Filipinas in the U.S.).

    I knew that Indians had a high abortion rate, but I didn't realize that their rate was so much higher compared to other Asian groups (their rate is comparable to that of Hispanics).

    They really are the New Jews (Jews may or may not have a high rate of abortion, but they are overwhelmingly the most pro-abortion group in the U.S.).

  53. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    It is to earn enough to hire the help.
     
    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/americans-are-biased-in-favor-of-black-authors/#comment-5403041 (#27)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Cortes, @James J. O'Meara

    Weren’t Chandler’s gardeners all fanatical Japanese, mercilessly uprooting every last weed from lawns and flower beds?

  54. @Ragged
    American feminist Lindy West has shown that feminism amounts to letting your husband persuade you into liking the fact that he porks a hotter, more petit number.

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindy-west-husband/

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @ic1000, @fish

    Feminist gal Lindy West: fat, ugly, opinionated, unfeminine.

    guy: different race, got a loser face despite his decent looks.

    3rd wheel: plain jane with tattoos and vacuous stare.

    Verdict: Lindy wanted to be different, got an interracial bf, and when he started to stray, Lindy decided that she could work that into being different by jumping on the poly fad. BF was all for it, since Lindy’s fame probably brings home some money and he can close his eyes when he bangs her. 3rd wheel is stupid and easily pushed around, so bf and Lindy can take turns abusing her.

    Future: breaks down into abuse and hurling insults. BF might end up coming out as gay after it all. Vacuous girl dies of o.d. Lindy doesn’t even bother with their funerals (“too patriarchal, and btw look at my new trans adopted child!”)

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @R.G. Camara

    Glad to see you back to commenting on things you know about, Argie. Keep it up.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  55. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    I don't exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I've never heard the term. My policy is that nobody but family and friends goes inside our house, with the very occasional exception for Jehovah's Witness ladies, when we fucked up and answered the door without noticing that same vehicle.

    If I had a butler, he'd need to be named Jeeves, even if we had to go to the courthouse to take care of that.

    Replies: @SaxoPhilologus, @Luddite in Chief

    I don’t exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I’ve never heard the term.

    Simple put, a fixer is someone who can arrange (“fix”) anything you need. Looking for a hot date? A fixer can arrange it. Got a member of the awkward squad clogging up your life? A fixer can arrange for their sudden disappearance.

    In short, if you have a need, a fixer can fulfill it (for the right price, of course).

    The best example of a fixer I know of is the crooked mayor (played by Clarence Kolb) in His Girl Friday (1940) with Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell.

    (If you are not familiar with the film, trust me, it repays a viewing.)

    The scene you want to look for is two-thirds of the way into the film. It’s the one where a messenger shows up with a rather inconvenient pardon and the mayor contrives to get rid of him so he will stay of the way until it is too late.

    That is “fixing.”

    (Oh, and: that woman in the picture from The Daily Mail? That is some idiot SJW’s idea of what a fixer should look like. Like most ideas SJWs have, it bears no connection to reality whatever. The DM has a mostly female readership, which is why it can indulge in such fantasies without losing subscribers.)

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Luddite in Chief

    I will look for that movie, LiC, so thanks for that too.

    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won't see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant ...

    Replies: @Luddite in Chief, @Mr Mox

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Luddite in Chief

    Winston Wolf, fixer.

    https://youtu.be/T9eH8ZKK6kE

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  56. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).
     
    I disagree. The help in the photographs are old money help. The hootenanny you described is generally nouveau riche.

    I knew a very rich couple in Santa Barbara. They had a white, blonde nanny from Sweden who was also stunning. She lives in the guest house, and is happy as a clam. She has a gracious European farm-girl charm about her because… that’s where she came from.

    I have some other friend who are nouveau riche, live on a 2 acre spread in Anaheim, and their nanny is an extremely ethnic looking wee fat woman from central Mexico, her fixit husband the same, and they live together with their family in the guest house. They recently bought a condo that they rent out for extra money. Entire family is illegal, btw.

    Supporting that entire family is probably about the same cost as that one Swedish nanny. She’s not a cheap gig. Nouveau riche are cheap. They haven’t yet figured out the correct money/quality of life ratio. So they don’t mind hosting a central Mexican village.

    Oh, also, black help is out of the question for both because they tend to steal. American whites, same problem. Mexicans and Europeans don’t. Filipinos… maybe yes, maybe no… be careful.

    You want white help that don’t steal? You have to get your game from Scandinavia. And it’s gonna cost ya. But then, every morning you wake up, and wander into your living room, a 26 year old blonde, trim, Swedish girl is there in her bathrobe, getting your kids ready for school. That’s the correct money/quality of life ratio old money understands.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Spangel226

    You can see the obvious problem in having an attractive, young woman around the house.

    Imagine you have a husband in his early 40s. Still handsome, fit, athletic, full head of hair. Still energetic, fun, and full of libido. His wife, meanwhile, is aging badly. The wife is starting to experience weight gain, hair loss, wrinkling skin. Like most middle-aged women, the wife is increasingly shrewish and grumpy.

    Then suddenly the couple hire an attractive young female to look after both their kids.

    What do you think is going to happen?

    Such things aren’t new.

    That’s why upper-class American women like to hire fat Mexican nannies. At least no one is going to cheat on their wife with Consuela. Except maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    To be sure, these days it’s a lot harder to get away with this type of thing. Women have become far more resistant to male advances. Especially if you’re a successful man, you can very easily lose a lot if some young woman complains that you sexually harassed her.

  57. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude
    Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it "managing"? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don't tell the Wife, though, she'll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That's another thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stephen Paul Foster, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Corvinus, @Bill Jones

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.

    Yeah, I’m not saying that you *should* do it, but I understand the motivation….

  58. @R.G. Camara
    @AnotherDad


    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”
     
    Such guys are usually quite desperate gammas, and think that by debasing themselves like this they can save the relationship and get back to having nookie with their spouse. Sadly, it won't happen -- once a woman starts down this road, she's off to divorce court once she gets the gumption off.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Honestly, from what I’ve seen, the majority of men are totally “whipped” by their female partners.

    Most guys debase themselves just to get OCCASIONAL starfish sex from a reluctant female partner.

    Unfortunately, this problem is getting worse. Most women have an extremely large number of options on online dating sites (Tinder, OkCupid, etc), while men struggle to get any matches. So single men have become very desperate, while women have become highly demanding. This is especially true for young people.

    If the guy tries to assert himself at all in the relationship, his girlfriend can quickly dump him and find an option on Tinder within a few hours.

    Lots of young men have been reduced to involuntary celibacy (“Incel”). Even “Normie” young men have to debase themselves to the max just to get some action. The youth dating scene is absolutely brutal these days.

    Nowadays, the only men who get any respect in relationships are good-looking & popular “Chads.” Everyone else has to beg for scraps or risk becoming “Incel.”

    In the past, a man could learn “pick up artistry” (PUA) and use various techniques to seduce women. Nowadays, unless you’re very good-looking & desirable, using these techniques could get you accused of sexual harassment. It’s also very hard to use these techniques on Tinder or social media. For all these reasons, interest in PUA has collapsed. Most PUA sites/blogs/forums have closed or faded into irrelevance.

    Dating has never been a fun experience for men, but it has never been as bad (especially for young men) as it is now. You can “thank” Tinder, social media, smartphones, and various new technologies for this. You can also “thank” #MeToo.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Onebelowall
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Read this article and some of the comments by our female members:

    https://www.unz.com/article/consider-the-white-woman/

  59. Google has suppressed these studies, but I’ve read 3-5 years ago a few sociological studies on marriage patterns in the US.

    It turns out that, when both partners are working, women don’t want their men to do half of the chores. They see it as unmanly.

    On the other hand, they want their men to help them with chores, sometimes, as a sign of appreciation.

    So it’s not either-or, 50/50. Not few marriages in Sweden had dissolved because wives stubbornly insisted on 50/50, dogmatically following feminist dogmas.

    The best formula is- love. You show your better half you care, you’ll do the chores for her. But she’ll show you she loves you in refusing your continual help because she knows- it, essentailly, crushes your soul. Most of this stuff is better suited for women because they’re multitasking & emotionally-physically better equiped for everything related to home.

  60. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/BreezyScroll/status/1541841953050054656

    I, for one, welcome our new 2 year-old overlord.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones, @Peter D. Bredon, @Right_On

    No way is an IQ test valid for a two-year-old. What happened to Mensa? They used to have standards, at least as far as entrance.

    From the same link, a scandal involving one of Steve’s favorite artists:

    FBI seizes Basquiat paintings over authenticity doubts

    Jean-Bedel Michel Basquiat is almost as bad as Picasso. His works belong in Frank Gehry buildings.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Modern art" is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, ...

    Many Picasso's work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, ...

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

  61. Just another reason why i remain single.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Spect3r


    Just another reason why I remain single.
     
    Just another reason why I remain a non-reader of The Atlantic ... and The New York Times, The Washington Post, and pretty much ANY SITE of the Lyin' Press.

    They might have the megaphone, but I'm out of range of it.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Spect3r

    Yeah.

    MGTOW = happy incel. (Or volcel, if you prefer.)

    I grew up in a family full of neurotic, controlling, manipulative women. My grandfather kept my grandmother on a tight leash but once he died there was no adult supervision.

    Growing up, my mother was always the least-favored of three siblings. She was the eldest and she resented the fact that my aunt was always the cute little baby who could do no wrong. Even now my mother still complains bitterly about a childhood incident where my grandmother took away one of my mother’s Christmas presents and gave it to my aunt after my aunt threw a tantrum.

    My mother also has this weird obsession with an incident that occurred after she graduated college. Supposedly my aunt (who had major substance-abuse issues) got really high and tried to hire some guy to kill my mother. My aunt swears that she has no recollection of it.

    My mother basically admitted once that her main reason for having me was to solidify her relationship with her parents. Once they had a granddaughter (my cousin) they wanted a grandson and my mother gave them one.

    (My cousin was conceived with much difficulty - my uncle was practically infertile. My parents had no such issues. Indeed, the only reason they ended up together is that he knocked her up. She had a miscarriage shortly after the wedding but they stayed together for four years. Their marriage was crumbling when I was conceived and was over by the time I was born.)

    My cousin and I spent so much time together - every weekend, pretty much - that we were almost like siblings. My grandparents bent over backwards to avoid favoring one over the other. In childhood I probably had the slight edge - I didn’t have a father and my grandfather took a special interest in me. But we were both spoiled rotten. We had our occasional petty rivalries and stupid arguments but overall we got along very well.

    My mother was shameless in using me to try to get what she wanted out of them. My grandfather resisted but once he was gone I found that I could sweet-talk my grandmother into giving me just about anything. So my mother strong-armed me into sweet-talking my grandmother to get what she wanted.

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pixo, @jejej

  62. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No way is an IQ test valid for a two-year-old. What happened to Mensa? They used to have standards, at least as far as entrance.

    From the same link, a scandal involving one of Steve's favorite artists:


    FBI seizes Basquiat paintings over authenticity doubts

    Jean-Bedel Michel Basquiat is almost as bad as Picasso. His works belong in Frank Gehry buildings.


    https://i0.wp.com/media1.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/imager/u/original/31764926/20220214_oma_0018_web.jpg?w=770&ssl=1

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    “Modern art” is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, …

    Many Picasso’s work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, …

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Modern Art, like Eff You Architecture (which is frequently about demonstrating some technological-structural concept), at least has stuff you can discuss. JM Basquiat on the other hand is something worse, an especially shameful episode, because he was a pure exploitation on the order of John Merrick. His talentless hurried scribblings were worsened by impossible deadlines and handfuls of coke, so wealthy educated nothings could virtue signal with art from a genuine guaranteed homeless negro. Had he not been made into a celebrity and worked worse than a slave, he might be alive today, and some of his paintings might be good.

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Sr. Dali is indeed one of us:

    "Make Art Great Again: The Good Optics of Salvador Dalí"
    https://counter-currents.com/2022/05/make-art-great-again-the-good-optics-of-salvador-dali-part-1/

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bardon Kaldian


    all of Miro
     
    The 1992 Olympic figures inspired by Miró were actually quite cute. The mascots Cobi and Petra were adapted from Picasso, and an improvement.



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/1992_Summer_Olympics_logo.svg


    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UgE7_redYPA/maxresdefault.jpg


    These 20th-century schools of art were at their best at play. Fast-food architecture was at its peak.


    https://waterandpower.org/8%20Historic%20Photos%208/Scribners_1940s.jpg
    , @Kylie
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Mostly agree with your assessment of modern artists. But I do like Mondrian and I'm one of those people who finds Rothko's work deeply affecting, I have no idea why.

  63. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Hmmmm...the Fixer or the Housekeeper? Gotta say the Housekeeper,in the drawing room,with a snifter (Snifter? Hell, I...😉😉) of Philbert Rare Cask Sherry.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Gotta say the Housekeeper,in the drawing room,with a snifter”

    My father he was a good old man
    He put me to service when I was very young
    Me missus and me, we never could agree
    Because of my master, he would love me

    Missus sent me upstairs to the loft
    To make up a bed so neat and soft
    Master followed after with a gay gold ring
    Saying, “Betty, have this for your bedmaking.”

    Mistress come upstairs in a great haste
    Caught the master there with his arm round me waist
    From the top to the bottom stair she did him fling
    Saying, “Mister have that for your bedmaking.”

  64. @Jon
    Lesbian Eye for the Married Guy (Ms. Mangino)
    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/2*ggHK0O2WbCEy48g_N-K01Q.jpeg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Brutusale

    Is a Mangino a more masculine version of a mangina?

    Men should always take relationship advice from a lesbian 😉

    • Agree: fish
    • LOL: Bardon Kaldlan
    • Replies: @SFG
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I wouldn’t take relationship advice from a lesbian (though talking with my bi friends was funny…”the plus side of being with a woman is more feelings. The minus side is more feelings.”) The sex tips book was pretty good, though. You wade through a bunch of crap about goddess cycles but the extended discussion of female anatomy was quite useful.

  65. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).
     
    I disagree. The help in the photographs are old money help. The hootenanny you described is generally nouveau riche.

    I knew a very rich couple in Santa Barbara. They had a white, blonde nanny from Sweden who was also stunning. She lives in the guest house, and is happy as a clam. She has a gracious European farm-girl charm about her because… that’s where she came from.

    I have some other friend who are nouveau riche, live on a 2 acre spread in Anaheim, and their nanny is an extremely ethnic looking wee fat woman from central Mexico, her fixit husband the same, and they live together with their family in the guest house. They recently bought a condo that they rent out for extra money. Entire family is illegal, btw.

    Supporting that entire family is probably about the same cost as that one Swedish nanny. She’s not a cheap gig. Nouveau riche are cheap. They haven’t yet figured out the correct money/quality of life ratio. So they don’t mind hosting a central Mexican village.

    Oh, also, black help is out of the question for both because they tend to steal. American whites, same problem. Mexicans and Europeans don’t. Filipinos… maybe yes, maybe no… be careful.

    You want white help that don’t steal? You have to get your game from Scandinavia. And it’s gonna cost ya. But then, every morning you wake up, and wander into your living room, a 26 year old blonde, trim, Swedish girl is there in her bathrobe, getting your kids ready for school. That’s the correct money/quality of life ratio old money understands.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Spangel226

    On the other hand, your black golfing buddy won’t be able to keep his hands off your hot white nanny, then they get married, he goes through the period of whore mastering, gets badly beat up with his own golf clubs and finally divorced. Awkward.

  66. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:

    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump’s will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @PhysicistDave

    Please don't encourage the dusky dick.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @PhysicistDave

    Nothing said in these "hearings" should be taken seriously. Two phony impeachments and now this nonsense. If ebony obelisk or anyone else here is investing time in this clown show, you deserve to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @ic1000
    @PhysicistDave

    > Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump’s will.

    That explosive (their word) testimony about what Trump did as the rioters (their word) advanced on the Capitol was the lead story for this morning's NBC Today show.

    Not covered (at least until I turned off the TV) was the reporting by Andrew Kerr and Jerry Dunleavy in yesterday's Washington Examiner, Joe Biden unwittingly helped finance Hunter's trysts with Russia-linked escorts. Perhaps it's because Kerr & Dunleavy didn't meet NBC's high journalistic standards: their text failed to prove the "unwitting" claim of the headline. (Evidence of absence cf. absence of evidence.)

    Two weeks ago, Dunleavy had a heartstrings-tugging pro-Gun-Control story in the same paper: thanks to lax laws, a wealthy and powerful drug addict was able to perjure himself to illicitly purchase a pistol. After waving it around while naked, in front of a Russian escort demanding her payment, a worried family member tossed the handgun into a wastebin... near a high school.

    Strangely, as far as I know, both NBC Today and the NBC Evening News with Lester Holt forgot to cover that one, too.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @PhysicistDave

    Rat fink bitches like CH are one reason DJT came to rely (too much) on Ivanka and her idiot husband Jared.

    I subscribed to The Atlantic for over twenty years. Then Michael Kelly got killed in Iraq and it went down the toilet. It would be completely flushed if not for the widow Jobs' money.

  67. One of the curses of using a real name at Sailers is that there are some topics upon which it would be suicide to opine.

  68. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.
     

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump's will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ron Mexico, @ic1000, @Jim Don Bob

    Please don’t encourage the dusky dick.

  69. @Daniel H
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Atlantic article had discovered that while household tasks were handled equitably (with the men still doing the dirty jobs, the heavy lifting) yet men were doing most of the strategizing, they would be damned. Let's face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    Replies: @SFG, @Hannah Katz, @AnotherDad, @Joe862

    You’re quite correct, but they have the Megaphone.

    The only remedy is for men to start organizing.

  70. @Anonymous
    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: "Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well? How does that work? How the hell am I supposed to do that?" Particularly irritating is when she gets me to do something she does 99% of the time, I come in cold, and then get berated for not knowing how to do the job or doing it not to her specifications.

    Replies: @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Rosie, @The Plutonium Kid

    Usually this is for dual career couples, of whom there are a lot in the Atlantic’s target audience.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @SFG

    It’s a strange article considering a majority of dual career couples ought to be able to afford housekeeping and yard maintenance services, making the question of chore division much less important. We’ve hired people since we were 26.

  71. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Re; Butler-Importing from the UK is all the rage now among the smart set. Re; Fixer-I wouldn't trust that woman to fix a card game.

    Replies: @SFG, @G. Poulin, @bomag

    The blonde is going to fix something all right, and it ain’t your marriage.

  72. @SafeNow
    @Twinkie

    Thanks. Assuming Asian-American males are now economically capable of making the rescue - - the knighthood part - - what about the egalitarian part? You don’t mention this. So, the Asian gal has given up on assimilating into domestic Eurogamy? Or, your Chinese doc at the hospital has himself assimilated into it, he’s dropped his cultural (and wired? - - uh oh) predilection to dominate, so no worries for her.

    Replies: @SFG

    Asian Americans seem to turn into Asian-shaped Americans pretty quick, from what I can tell. “But my grandma cooks pork buns!”

  73. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Modern art" is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, ...

    Many Picasso's work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, ...

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    Modern Art, like Eff You Architecture (which is frequently about demonstrating some technological-structural concept), at least has stuff you can discuss. JM Basquiat on the other hand is something worse, an especially shameful episode, because he was a pure exploitation on the order of John Merrick. His talentless hurried scribblings were worsened by impossible deadlines and handfuls of coke, so wealthy educated nothings could virtue signal with art from a genuine guaranteed homeless negro. Had he not been made into a celebrity and worked worse than a slave, he might be alive today, and some of his paintings might be good.

  74. @J.Ross
    Look, it's Paul McCartney!
    https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/paul-mccartney-bruce-springsteen-billie-eilish-glastonbury-audience-bbc-1235304915/

    While Steve looks at Paul, read this:
    WHATS HAPPENED TODAY THAT SHILLS ARE DESPERATE TO DISTRACT FROM:

    1. Hunter Biden’s voicemail box revealing Joe Biden had ILLEGAL FINANCIAL DEALINGS IN UKRAINE AND CHINA that Hunter was the patsy for, and that Hunter was having sex with Russian hookers and his daddy was paying for all of it, and JOE KNEW and had direct conversations about, the EXACT thing they claimed Trump was guilty of but never had any proof. [Also something we strongly suspected on extremely good grounds back before the election, but which mainstream journalists and government authorities insisted was a Russian disinformation story.]
    https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/calls-for-action-as-biden-voicemail-reveals-he-knew-of-hunter-china-deals/amp/

    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.

    3. Nobody giving a &%# anymore about Roe versus Wade and Democrats overplaying their hand. [Some Roe antifas are actually being atrested. They must be so confused.]

    4. Nobody giving a &#[email protected] about the January 6th committee so they publish this story to pretend something suddenly matters, but they have no proof.

    But by all means believe that Trump wanted to personally storm the capitol by ramming it with his car and then lobbing grenades, after painting walls with ketchup. If anything that makes him look better.

    Replies: @Charon, @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    I like your ideas–really I do–but in your haste to describe the world as it should be I fear you underestimate the degree to which the public consciousness is molded by the mass media.

    Whose primary purpose, after all, is to mold the public consciousness. And they have gotten very good at it over the past century.

  75. @Old Prude
    Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it "managing"? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don't tell the Wife, though, she'll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That's another thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stephen Paul Foster, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Corvinus, @Bill Jones

    “Three things there be that drive a goodman from the house: a leaky roof, a smoky chimney, and a scolding wife.”
    Medieval wisdom

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Before the medieval times and well before The Atlantic commenced publishing, there was Proverbs 21:9. The King James Version:


    It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.
     
    This was written in an area with a warm climate and in an era of flat roof construction, mind you. Periods were already of roughly the same duration.
  76. A significant part of why women end up directing how a house should run and how it should look is, wait for it, because they care a lot more.

    Understanding this simple basic dynamic in life would be a way to avoid much needless conflict, eg, Russia cares a lot more about the status of Ukraine and the ethnic civil war promoted there by the State Department. As we can see from the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine and the US/NATO did nothing, because, wait for it, they didn’t care as much. To have appreciated this from the start would have avoided the situation we have now.

  77. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.
     

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump's will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ron Mexico, @ic1000, @Jim Don Bob

    Nothing said in these “hearings” should be taken seriously. Two phony impeachments and now this nonsense. If ebony obelisk or anyone else here is investing time in this clown show, you deserve to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes.

    • Agree: mc23
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ron Mexico

    For free?!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  78. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    It’s true that women are baffled by how guys can “just be happy”. It’s also true that women constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet? Bet you never have asked them that once! It’s because men and women are different! Women’s brains have been described as a hamster wheel that never stops spinning, and I’d say that’s a pretty accurate description.

    • Replies: @The Real World
    @Rooster16


    ...constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet?
     
    It's because she can't believe that there's often such vacancy there. Certainly, you must, sometimes, have interesting thoughts or ideas?

    Give her credit that she keeps trying to discover something fascinating in that noggin despite most often it not being the case.

    Replies: @Bel Riose

  79. @Daniel H
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Atlantic article had discovered that while household tasks were handled equitably (with the men still doing the dirty jobs, the heavy lifting) yet men were doing most of the strategizing, they would be damned. Let's face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    Replies: @SFG, @Hannah Katz, @AnotherDad, @Joe862

    No no no! We are by nature improvers. A smart woman looks for a perfect man, so she can improve him, or something. Mine is better at vacuuming than me, and that makes me feel inadequate! Does he not care about my feelings???

  80. “I mean, he might do half the work… But is he obsessing about chores all day like I am? I don’t think so.”

    “Yeah, he does all the shit I ask him to do. But does he care as much as me?!? Of course not that selfish prick!”

    “He doesn’t understand exactly what I want him to do any particular moment in time — and actually asks me to fully articulate my request? The emotional labor of making my wishes known is exhausting.”

    Like all feminists, Mangino is simply incoherent. Looking for some sort of usable or interesting or even consistent logical framework in her worldview is a fool’s errand.

    Her ideas are nothing more, nothing less than a projection of the immutable feminine Big Three:

    1) solipsism (anything outside my worldview does not exist)
    2) self-centeredness (I am the most important thing to me)
    3) coyness (you need spend time and money to figure me! Me! Me! Out.)

    Layer in the usual feminine predilections for complaint and faux-independence posturing and need to be patronized — and there you have it.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    @Lofasz a seggedbe


    Her ideas are nothing more, nothing less than a projection of the immutable feminine Big Three:

    1) solipsism (anything outside my worldview does not exist)
    2) self-centeredness (I am the most important thing to me)
    3) coyness (you need spend time and money to figure me! Me! Me! Out.)
     
    Give me a hug and a double high-five you bastard.

    https://youtu.be/guGUhr_XQJQ

    (Literally every woman I knew in NYC)
  81. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she’s never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don’t mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

     

    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants' contributions. I imagine that this effect is amplified when the organs of the popular culture send an incessant message to women that they're being taken advantage of by society at large, their children, and especially their husbands in an attempt to convert discontent into political capital.

    Men tend to underestimate the time and effort put into homemaking, and women underestimate the time and effort put into home maintenance, improvement, landscaping, etc. Complicate this with unequal financial contributions and dedication to careers and you're just never going to get anywhere bean counting respective contributions other than resentment.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Achmed E. Newman

    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants’ contributions

    Correct. Also, women who live on their own do far more housework than men who live on their own.

  82. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.
     

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump's will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ron Mexico, @ic1000, @Jim Don Bob

    > Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump’s will.

    That explosive (their word) testimony about what Trump did as the rioters (their word) advanced on the Capitol was the lead story for this morning’s NBC Today show.

    Not covered (at least until I turned off the TV) was the reporting by Andrew Kerr and Jerry Dunleavy in yesterday’s Washington Examiner, Joe Biden unwittingly helped finance Hunter’s trysts with Russia-linked escorts. Perhaps it’s because Kerr & Dunleavy didn’t meet NBC’s high journalistic standards: their text failed to prove the “unwitting” claim of the headline. (Evidence of absence cf. absence of evidence.)

    Two weeks ago, Dunleavy had a heartstrings-tugging pro-Gun-Control story in the same paper: thanks to lax laws, a wealthy and powerful drug addict was able to perjure himself to illicitly purchase a pistol. After waving it around while naked, in front of a Russian escort demanding her payment, a worried family member tossed the handgun into a wastebin… near a high school.

    Strangely, as far as I know, both NBC Today and the NBC Evening News with Lester Holt forgot to cover that one, too.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  83. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Re; Butler-Importing from the UK is all the rage now among the smart set. Re; Fixer-I wouldn't trust that woman to fix a card game.

    Replies: @SFG, @G. Poulin, @bomag

    I figured Fixer was a made-up category to be filled with eye candy.

  84. @Spect3r
    Just another reason why i remain single.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Stan Adams

    Just another reason why I remain single.

    Just another reason why I remain a non-reader of The Atlantic … and The New York Times, The Washington Post, and pretty much ANY SITE of the Lyin’ Press.

    They might have the megaphone, but I’m out of range of it.

  85. @Achmed E. Newman
    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by "housework". When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she's never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don't mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @fish, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @ScarletNumber, @Dr. X

    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager.

    Yeah, no shit.

    When my wife says “Can we paint the house a different color?” I say “Sure, the ladder’s in the garage, go grab it and start at the top.”

    The color hasn’t changed yet…

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  86. Been married over 40 years–I still don’t load the dishwasher correctly (per my wife) but the dishes still come out clean–even if my wife is ot home for a week the dishes come out clean. However if I were to be gone the grass would not get cut

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @possumman

    How can you get away with that without a frying pan to the head?

  87. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?

    Honestly, she’s never pumped a gallon of gas. If she ever runs really low, hopefully our 10 y/o will be with her. However, I don’t mind it this way at all.

    I imagine the whole article is a mental, or some kind of, load.

     

    My recollection is that the social science is pretty clear that when people share responsibilities they tend to overestimate their own contributions and underestimate the other participants' contributions. I imagine that this effect is amplified when the organs of the popular culture send an incessant message to women that they're being taken advantage of by society at large, their children, and especially their husbands in an attempt to convert discontent into political capital.

    Men tend to underestimate the time and effort put into homemaking, and women underestimate the time and effort put into home maintenance, improvement, landscaping, etc. Complicate this with unequal financial contributions and dedication to careers and you're just never going to get anywhere bean counting respective contributions other than resentment.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re right that doing bean counting on it is not the way to go, Alec. However, I see what goes on. I know when I’ve been lazy and when I’ve worked hard. I may very well work less on man’s work than my wife does for long periods of time, when everything is working right.

    A big thing though, is that I am responsible for it all working, not my wife. Her stuff is steady and, yes, tedious, but not stressful. So, who is the manager in general, Atlantic writers? (Maybe none of them live in anything but rentals or own any vehicles.)

  88. @Dr. Krieger
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The housekeeper has man-hands, no chest and huge calves.

    Don't worry about your kids' rabbits. Worry about your kids.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Ugghhh, Doc, now that you mention it and I looked more closely, that’s a man, baby!

  89. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    The races/sexes are all wrong (“#hiredhelptoowhite”).
     
    I disagree. The help in the photographs are old money help. The hootenanny you described is generally nouveau riche.

    I knew a very rich couple in Santa Barbara. They had a white, blonde nanny from Sweden who was also stunning. She lives in the guest house, and is happy as a clam. She has a gracious European farm-girl charm about her because… that’s where she came from.

    I have some other friend who are nouveau riche, live on a 2 acre spread in Anaheim, and their nanny is an extremely ethnic looking wee fat woman from central Mexico, her fixit husband the same, and they live together with their family in the guest house. They recently bought a condo that they rent out for extra money. Entire family is illegal, btw.

    Supporting that entire family is probably about the same cost as that one Swedish nanny. She’s not a cheap gig. Nouveau riche are cheap. They haven’t yet figured out the correct money/quality of life ratio. So they don’t mind hosting a central Mexican village.

    Oh, also, black help is out of the question for both because they tend to steal. American whites, same problem. Mexicans and Europeans don’t. Filipinos… maybe yes, maybe no… be careful.

    You want white help that don’t steal? You have to get your game from Scandinavia. And it’s gonna cost ya. But then, every morning you wake up, and wander into your living room, a 26 year old blonde, trim, Swedish girl is there in her bathrobe, getting your kids ready for school. That’s the correct money/quality of life ratio old money understands.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Spangel226

    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Spangel226


    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.
     
    Did you try going through an agency to pick up a white American nanny?

    Price was the same, was it?

    Replies: @Spangel226

  90. @Barnard

    (Finding these equal partners was a challenge; many men who initially identified themselves as such to Mangino became ineligible after their partner said otherwise.)
     
    The Atlantic should add a comedy section and publish these interviews.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > The Atlantic should add a comedy section and publish these interviews.

    Back when the Atlantic was a magazine, aspired to publishing intellectual articles, and I subscribed, I would’ve skipped this piece after the first few unpromising paragraphs.

    The interviewee doesn’t claim expertise in marital happiness or child-raising effectiveness; neither she nor the reporter can imagine that wise readers value these more than gendrification.

    So, comedy. After a fashion.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @ic1000

    We are having this long iSteve-ie discussion about whether men pitch in enough with housework.

    Waaaiiit!

    We are having this long iSteve-ie discussion about whether men pitch in enough with housework that appears in The Atlantic?

    This like how I would read a post on iSteve about the gender divide that I thought was both subversive and somehow thought provoking. Then I would see it was posted by "Whiskey."

    Never mind!

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/BreezyScroll/status/1541841953050054656

    I, for one, welcome our new 2 year-old overlord.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones, @Peter D. Bredon, @Right_On

    Why do I suspect it wouldn’t have happened with a two year old boy?

  92. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    Alternatively, let the wife have her work career after the kids are old enough to be in school, as long as she earns enough to “replace herself”, i.e., the husband hires a succession of nice, obedient young women to pick up and take care of the kids after school, shop, do laundry and fix simple meals on time, from 2-6pm Monday thru Friday.

    Obey the article, and be the manager! You hire the girl, instruct her on exactly what to do, how to do it, and you set the salary and you pay her. Feminism doesn’t come into it, because this bright young thing is working, earning her own money, and making her way in the world. You go, girl! And, if she doesn’t work out, fire her and find a better one.

  93. @Jon
    Lesbian Eye for the Married Guy (Ms. Mangino)
    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/2*ggHK0O2WbCEy48g_N-K01Q.jpeg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Brutusale

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Brutusale

    Good link, but this white couple is wearing some Tongan garb. And in Tonga some of the men's garb is dress like, and sometimes trousers. But he does look like a housework enthusiast. In my book, vacuuming is what men want to dodge the most. Washing dishes isn't too onerous.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @SFG
    @Brutusale

    Looks like a sub. Those guys have such a hard time finding dominant women I feel sorry for them.

  94. @Anonymous
    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: "Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well? How does that work? How the hell am I supposed to do that?" Particularly irritating is when she gets me to do something she does 99% of the time, I come in cold, and then get berated for not knowing how to do the job or doing it not to her specifications.

    Replies: @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Rosie, @The Plutonium Kid

    Unless she has small children to take care of that stress her out, it sounds like she needs to start working for pay.

  95. In the old days there was an assumed Division Of Responsibility.

    Man brings home the bacon.

    Woman keeps the house clean and children presentable.

    With female liberation leading to gender bending leading to the end of gender these assumptions are verboten leading to chaos.

    The presumption now is that both “partners” are equally responsible for all aspects of their joint lives, regardless of their biological proclivities and interests.

    The complaint in the tweet is that “managing” her husband sucks. She would prefer he clean the home in accordance with her wishes without her having to ask him to or even to tell him how.

    She doesn’t *want* to manage him. She wants him to roomba.

    And in an equal partnership of, say, identical twins, this makes some sense.

    She is likely however leaving out the fact that men don’t care that much if their house is clean or furnished or fashionable. And they certainly don’t tend to care about these things commensurate with how much tedium is required to ensure them. In general, women are better at and enjoy more the dull work of Gathering/laundry and men prefer he excitement of Hunting/selling.

    The problem with The Public Sphere is that the traditional fights that normal heterosexual couples have are now WRIT LARGE and presented to the reading public as though they were pronouncements by People Who Know True And Proper Morality.

    But what can you do? Ever since we left our metaphorical Eden we have all become schizos, relying on an ever evolving patchwork that fixes last year’s problems by creating next year’s.

    Other than decreasing infant mortality and thus generating ever more humans we aren’t progressing at all, just, century after century, running on a treadmill with ever-evolving scenery.

    The best we can do is fix the problems we have today to the best of our ability and teach the young to teach their young certain truths we discovered along the wasy that will help them fix their own problems.

    It’s why the written teachings of Moses, Jesus, Buddha and Jefferson are so valuable. They keep humanity tethered to wisdom brilliantly exposited some centuries or millennia ago. That wisdom may be ignored or misinterpreted or seemingly irrelevant or indecipherable but it’s there, in black on white letters and so long as they do not vanish from the Earth, these texts save humanity from destroying itself in a fit of confident exhuberance.

    Bless these fine men and those who enshrined their wisdom.

    • Thanks: SteeringWheelHolder
  96. @Ragged
    American feminist Lindy West has shown that feminism amounts to letting your husband persuade you into liking the fact that he porks a hotter, more petit number.

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindy-west-husband/

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @ic1000, @fish

    Re: American feminist Lindy West’s group interview with her husband and his live-in mistress

    Yikes. Way-TMI self-debasing non-comedy.

    If only feminist gender expert [sic] Kate Mangino could have interviewed this throuple about equality in household chores. A \$1,000 insight bill left on the sidewalk.

  97. @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Usually this is for dual career couples, of whom there are a lot in the Atlantic’s target audience.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    It’s a strange article considering a majority of dual career couples ought to be able to afford housekeeping and yard maintenance services, making the question of chore division much less important. We’ve hired people since we were 26.

  98. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    An experience with the girlfriend early in our relationship reflected this.

    I live in a lovely place in a nice suburban neighborhood. I keep it “guy clean”: things like vacuuming and dusting are done when I think it needs it, not on a schedule. She, on the other hand, spends (wastes) a lot of time keeping her place surgically clean, or “cleaning clean” as I call it. She never brought up my housekeeping habits.

    A few weeks after we felt that we were close enough to exchange house keys, I arrived home from work one day midweek to find her car parked in front of the house. I heard the stereo playing as I walked up to the door and began to have all sorts of naughty thoughts. I silently went in and found nothing on the first floor but the washing machine running and the kitchen looking cleaner than usual. Upstairs, I saw that the sheets were stripped from my bed. Then I saw the bathroom light on. I looked in and saw two lovely legs and an even lovelier panty-clad butt bent over my bathtub scrubbing away in her knickers and one of my t-shirts. It was at that moment that she became a keeper.

    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she’s worth the effort!

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Brutusale

    Well done.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Brutusale


    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she’s worth the effort!

     

    Congratulations! She passed a version of the "Door Test."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgi17eUrkTA

    Replies: @Brutusale

  99. What must be understood in this area is the Passive Agressive Problem. As a husband, I often wanted to “notice” things and pitch in, but I held back because I didn’t want to send a message that my wife had fallen down on the job, or that I was somehow disgusted by the state of affairs around the house. I looked for key things I could do that didn’t involve much coordination, criticism, or “noticing.” Some points that emerged:

    1. Laundry is not a good candidate, because her laundry volume was 5x mine, with lots of delicates and garments I would not understand the value of.
    2. Cleaning toilets is great — just do it and nobody minds.
    3. Vaccuuming is a little bit of “this place is filthy” judgment, so it needs to be done on an automatic schedule.
    5. Cooking is a troubled area if the wife begins as a stay-at-home mom. She is the meal provider of the young children and it’s hard to switch gears.
    6. Keeping the kitchen clean is the best area for both to help — just keep cleaning each night and each morning to maintain a good clean kitchen. It is the centerpiece of a clean house.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Bannon

    Bannon, that is sound advice for a long marriage. Cleaning the bathrooms is always a safe bet, and not too onerous if you have earbuds, a good podcast and a bourbon and coke.

    Replies: @jejej

  100. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    The thing that really ought to be investigated is why some parents name their daughters “Cassidy”.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Let Bob Weir and John Perry Barlow (with help from Jerry) explain:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOia2aKUHU

    Check out when Bobby wants Jerry to end the solo by ~05:15, and he finally just yells out "Hey!" or whatever at 05:35. See, you can't do that at Classical recitals.

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

  101. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    When we first got married, I wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home. I wanted to eat out because it is quick and easy and I don’t really care what I eat anyway.
    We never voted on the question of whether to eat out or cook at home. She made it clear this was non-negotiable.
    Thus began what has now been 25 years of meals at home, with me getting a weekly scolding for not helping enough in the kitchen and for being too stupid to know how to cook.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @rebel yell

    " wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home"


    House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD - Proverbs 19:14.
     
    , @James J. O'Meara
    @rebel yell

    So basically you're a "male chauvinist" who appears to "force" his wife to slave away in the kitchen all day, because you just don't care about "forcing" her to go to swanky restaurants. All her wifely friends must give her much sympathy for being married to such a "slave driver".

    I think this is an example of "old time forced sex roles" that actually were ways of wives exerting power; having hand, as George Costanza would say.

    It's almost as good as "My hot wife forces me to have sex with her all the time" a la Al Bundy.

    , @Pontius
    @rebel yell

    Oh hell yes. "Are you doing that on purpose?" followed by the knife being grabbed from your hand.

    I learned to loathe dinner time, even though she was a superb cook.

    Now I just look back on 17 largely wasted years where "I never did enough around the house." on top of the 40hrs a week of work + 5 or 6 hrs of commuting, plus stripping and weather proofing a roof alone, plus hundreds of hours of snow clearing and mowing plus tens of thousands of dollars in free car and appliance repairs plus endless hours of "I need to talk to you." , plus accusations of being an alcoholic for drinking 5 pints a week, plus the endless chauffeuring..

    I sill don't know how one person could generate that much laundry....

    Eff all that.

    Now my biggest decision is whether to enjoy the beer instead of a motorcycle ride, or enjoy the beer after a motorcycle ride.

    House...man clean.

    Interior decorating....add furniture and wall art until the echo disappears and we're good.

    Meals....open and add heat.

    There's worse things in life than a bit of loneliness.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  102. @Brutusale
    @Jon

    Her "man" looks like housework is no stranger.

    https://www.friendsoftonga.org/cpages/evan-and-kate-buban-mangino/61f60d3596385f059945ff30

    Replies: @Clyde, @SFG

    Good link, but this white couple is wearing some Tongan garb. And in Tonga some of the men’s garb is dress like, and sometimes trousers. But he does look like a housework enthusiast. In my book, vacuuming is what men want to dodge the most. Washing dishes isn’t too onerous.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Clyde


    In my book, vacuuming is what men want to dodge the most.

     

    Interesting. If I ever do have to do any cleaning (which fortunately is not often at all, as Mrs C and I have a live-in domestic helper), vacuuming (and general floor cleaning work) is something I don't mind. It seems to me to be the closest analogue to mowing, which I love doing.

    I hate doing laundry.

  103. This happens because about 70% of wife identified tasks are pointless, like folding underwear or carefully rinsing every dirty dish before putting it in the dishwasher. That latter is an example of the ongoing environmental holocaust perpetuated by American women.

  104. @Hans Tholstrup
    A major qualification for being a 'manager' rather than a 'worker' is that the manager has to 'care' about the operation being performed. (eg the manager might take work issues home while the worker leaves them happily at the office.)
    When it comes to housework, men really don't care as much as women do about the details. If it's basically clean, fine. If we can find what we need, when we need it, that's tidy enough. If we've got the groceries we need to eat, fine.
    And we're not certainly worried about what the guys think of our house if they come visit!

    Replies: @ThatsNotAll, @Joe862

    It was an epiphany for my wife to have an older friend give the advice: “If you want your husband to do the dishes don’t scold him for how he loads the dishwasher.”

  105. @Brutusale
    @R.G. Camara

    An experience with the girlfriend early in our relationship reflected this.

    I live in a lovely place in a nice suburban neighborhood. I keep it "guy clean": things like vacuuming and dusting are done when I think it needs it, not on a schedule. She, on the other hand, spends (wastes) a lot of time keeping her place surgically clean, or "cleaning clean" as I call it. She never brought up my housekeeping habits.

    A few weeks after we felt that we were close enough to exchange house keys, I arrived home from work one day midweek to find her car parked in front of the house. I heard the stereo playing as I walked up to the door and began to have all sorts of naughty thoughts. I silently went in and found nothing on the first floor but the washing machine running and the kitchen looking cleaner than usual. Upstairs, I saw that the sheets were stripped from my bed. Then I saw the bathroom light on. I looked in and saw two lovely legs and an even lovelier panty-clad butt bent over my bathtub scrubbing away in her knickers and one of my t-shirts. It was at that moment that she became a keeper.

    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she's worth the effort!

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @JohnnyWalker123

    Well done.

  106. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: College Enrollment Drops 1.4M students This Year.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/college-enrollment-drops-1-4m-students-threatening-stability-of-higher-education

    This has a lot to do with why colleges are getting rid of all requirements, such as SAT. I doubt they’ll cut administrators and try to downsize staff, though. They’ll probably do the time-honored thing, which is fire professors and make classes larger.

  107. @Ragged
    American feminist Lindy West has shown that feminism amounts to letting your husband persuade you into liking the fact that he porks a hotter, more petit number.

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindy-west-husband/

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @ic1000, @fish

    More petit yes…..

    Hotter? All thre of them are fugly!

  108. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    Oh Ebony’s Duck……

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @fish

    Odd that he didn't mention white women ,for once it would have been on topic.

  109. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Heh! I always helped with oil changes, tire changes and other stuff. We argued a lot on how to do things or the best way and I usually stormed off when HE would get loud. Then HE would come into the house from the garage and do his obligatory “Hon, Honey! Are you gonna help me with this?.” But when it came to the dishes he would always like to come into the kitchen at about the last dish and ask me if I wanted him to do the dishes. It always got a chuckle out me. He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn’t like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

    • Replies: @David Jones
    @anonymous

    My lie detector is twitching.

    , @Bill Jones
    @anonymous

    You're damned if you do because we're the ones who have to redo it.

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @anonymous

    "He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn’t like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don’t."

    He complained about the color of the cabinets? That's the problem right there. You married a woman.

  110. @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?
     
    I've noticed that in feminist screeds about how men don't share in the housework, they don't include things like plumbing, wiring, carpentry, automotive work, etc. No, the only thing that counts in maintaining a household is cleaning the bathroom and doing the laundry.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Charon

    Exactly. Feminist’s view is reduced to the sphere they care about–call it cleaning. They leave out all mechanical, electrical and storage systems, appliances, etc. And yet, feminists want “help” with those in their sphere, while remarking, “I can’t do that!” when it comes to your sphere.

    There is a division of labor–but it doesn’t overcome the double standard they live by. No wonder they tend to populate Democrat politics…

  111. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    The fixer ought to change out of that if she’s gonna replace the leaky side sprayer in the kitchen.

  112. I live alone with my boys. Can’t believe how easy and stress free life is this way. Gets cluttered sometimes, but when we get to it we can clean the place up in no time. Complaining doesn’t exist in this household, we never run out of TP, and we can actually buy what we want. Our next goal is a pickup truck so we can take our motorbikes on camping trips.

    Some may say there’s something missing here. That’s true: there’s no nagging, no fighting, no simmering tension, no hysteria, no subtle threats, no emotional blackmail, no vicious put-downs, no baseless resentment and no atmosphere of betrayal.

    Just a father and sons who genuinely, honestly and openly love each other and care for each other. I know it won’t last forever, but I’m truly grateful for my life in a way I never have been before. I think I’ll give my little one a hug before I head off to work.

    • Thanks: Rob
    • Replies: @jejej
    @Bill P

    Congratulations that indeed sounds quite nice.

    Society has normalized moms having a larger influence on their sons than dads and that is a terrible thing.

    Obviously infants and toddlers should have more to do with their mom than their dad but from the age of 4 a boy should start feeling aspirational toward being like his daddy.

    And a 10 year old boy with a clingy mother is in a bad situation.

    Unfortunately it's very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I assume that daughters are easier. You can let your wife handle the kid's drama and just accept that What Will Be Will Be. Men aren't supposed to be raising their girls in the first place. But co-raising boys with their mother is a quandry.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Johnson, @Bill P

    , @Old Prude
    @Bill P

    That is a tidy synopsis of living with a woman, Bill P.

    But you didn’t say anything about the food. The food makes it worth all the nuttery if you’re married to an Italian.

  113. @Old Prude
    Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it "managing"? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don't tell the Wife, though, she'll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That's another thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stephen Paul Foster, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Corvinus, @Bill Jones

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.

    The distinction Bill Burr has made is both instructive and insightful.

    You do not hit a woman. However, “there are plenty of fuckin’ reasons” to want to.

  114. OT – WW3 gets a little closer. Europe can’t have gas or oil, but it can have troops and iNflATiOn.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/29/us-to-increase-military-forces-across-europe-joe-biden-announces

    Joe Biden has announced that the US will increase its military forces across Europe with more land, sea and air deployments, as he gathered with Nato leaders for a two-day summit in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Arriving at the meeting in Madrid, the US president announced the stationing of a brigade of 3,000 combat troops in Romania, two squadrons of F-35 fighters in the UK and two navy destroyers in Spain.

    “The US and its allies are going to step up. We’re stepping up. We’re proving that Nato is more needed now than it ever has been,” Biden said in a short statement he read out before the first summit meeting began.

    Biden’s announcement is expected to be followed by further commitments by Nato members to a strengthening of forces on the alliance’s eastern flank, which was being discussed by Nato leaders on Wednesday morning.

    The morning meeting heard an address from Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who has been calling for Nato members to send more hi-tech weapons.

    Britain is expected to increase its commitment to a battlegroup in Estonia from 1,700 by about 1,000, although it is not clear if they will all be permanently based there or on standby back in the UK.

    In total, eight frontline Nato battlegroups stretching from Estonia to Bulgaria, once designed to act as small initial defence force, are expected to be increased in size to a brigade level of 3,000 to 5,000 troops.

  115. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Of course, only in their dreams. If you had to bet on the choice of Trump Runs/Trump Doesn’t Run, where would you lay your money?

    Meanwhile, the other side’s obsession with Trump is wondrous to behold. I suppose having a bogeyman is highly symptomatic of stunted adult growth. Same with Putin.

    I guess when you have no religion, or at the least an appreciation of the religious sensibility, you have to find a Satan somewhere.

  116. Completely off-topic, there seems to be some sort of brouhaha that a German museum gives back an African statue to the nation of Cameroon. Here are the details, where you can see what appears to be the highlight of Subsaharan Africa’s art:

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/spotlight-on-germany-s-colonial-past-when-can-ngonnso-return-home-a-a2ab356d-538f-4ae7-b452-82060382e2c7

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Andy


    German museum gives back an African statue to the nation of Cameroon
     
    ...... Maybe they should give back "the seat of satan" to Turkey ,ever wonder why Germany is cursed.
    , @Paco Wové
    @Andy

    It's Lori Lightfoot's grandma

  117. @J.Ross
    Look, it's Paul McCartney!
    https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/paul-mccartney-bruce-springsteen-billie-eilish-glastonbury-audience-bbc-1235304915/

    While Steve looks at Paul, read this:
    WHATS HAPPENED TODAY THAT SHILLS ARE DESPERATE TO DISTRACT FROM:

    1. Hunter Biden’s voicemail box revealing Joe Biden had ILLEGAL FINANCIAL DEALINGS IN UKRAINE AND CHINA that Hunter was the patsy for, and that Hunter was having sex with Russian hookers and his daddy was paying for all of it, and JOE KNEW and had direct conversations about, the EXACT thing they claimed Trump was guilty of but never had any proof. [Also something we strongly suspected on extremely good grounds back before the election, but which mainstream journalists and government authorities insisted was a Russian disinformation story.]
    https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/calls-for-action-as-biden-voicemail-reveals-he-knew-of-hunter-china-deals/amp/

    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.

    3. Nobody giving a &%# anymore about Roe versus Wade and Democrats overplaying their hand. [Some Roe antifas are actually being atrested. They must be so confused.]

    4. Nobody giving a &#[email protected] about the January 6th committee so they publish this story to pretend something suddenly matters, but they have no proof.

    But by all means believe that Trump wanted to personally storm the capitol by ramming it with his car and then lobbing grenades, after painting walls with ketchup. If anything that makes him look better.

    Replies: @Charon, @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.

    This is a losing issue. Middle-class normies don’t want to be associated with white knighting for underage prostitutes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    You're looking at pizzagate in terms of elections (and those worthless tv-watchers!). Mistake.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @Anon

    A Man of Unz spotted, alert the harpies.

  118. @Bill P
    I live alone with my boys. Can't believe how easy and stress free life is this way. Gets cluttered sometimes, but when we get to it we can clean the place up in no time. Complaining doesn't exist in this household, we never run out of TP, and we can actually buy what we want. Our next goal is a pickup truck so we can take our motorbikes on camping trips.

    Some may say there's something missing here. That's true: there's no nagging, no fighting, no simmering tension, no hysteria, no subtle threats, no emotional blackmail, no vicious put-downs, no baseless resentment and no atmosphere of betrayal.

    Just a father and sons who genuinely, honestly and openly love each other and care for each other. I know it won't last forever, but I'm truly grateful for my life in a way I never have been before. I think I'll give my little one a hug before I head off to work.

    Replies: @jejej, @Old Prude

    Congratulations that indeed sounds quite nice.

    Society has normalized moms having a larger influence on their sons than dads and that is a terrible thing.

    Obviously infants and toddlers should have more to do with their mom than their dad but from the age of 4 a boy should start feeling aspirational toward being like his daddy.

    And a 10 year old boy with a clingy mother is in a bad situation.

    Unfortunately it’s very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I assume that daughters are easier. You can let your wife handle the kid’s drama and just accept that What Will Be Will Be. Men aren’t supposed to be raising their girls in the first place. But co-raising boys with their mother is a quandry.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @jejej

    "I assume that daughters are easier."

    No. Harder.

    , @John Johnson
    @jejej

    Unfortunately it’s very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Tearing your son away from your overbearing wife? Good lord where do you guys live?

    Here in the country the women expect the men to take the sons fishing, camping, shooting, etc. They want their boys to grow up as men and not gender neutral soy boys.

    In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason.

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I guess not LOL.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @The Real World

    , @Bill P
    @jejej

    Ok, I can't really tell you how to handle women to your satisfaction, but I can tell you how to deal with them without getting steamrolled.

    First, take them at their word. Men don't take women seriously at their own peril. Women can be remarkably candid, but men often think "she's just saying crazy stuff" when she's quite serious.

    Secondly, hold them to their own standards. If she demands such and such from you, demand the same from her.

    Thirdly, give them the respect they deserve. If they earn respect, give it to them; if not, don't give them respect.

    Finally, hold them accountable for breaking rules. If they break the law they should be punished just the same as men who do so.

    How does this look in practice?

    Say a woman says "if you ever raise a hand against me you'll be in jail before you know what hit you!"

    Fair enough. You take her at her word, apply the same standard to her, and demand she follow the law. So if she raises a hand against you, put her ass in jail.

    Another example is if she says "if you ever cheat on me I'm going to divorce you and take half your stuff." OK then, if she cheats you divorce her and take half the stuff. Some guys might say "but I paid all the bills, why should I give up half my stuff?" Hey, she was going to spend more than half of what you make anyway, so no real loss. Do you really want to be working for some ungrateful adulteress anyway?

    American women always assume they're going to land on their feet no matter what. You should assume the same about both them and yourself. Don't worry about her -- if she's treating you like crap she's already got a plan to flush you down the toilet and thrive. Give her the benefit of the doubt and push the lever yourself. She'll be fine.

    But your kids are a different matter. They never asked for these parents, so try to give them at least one good one. All the crap you put up with -- it's for them. That love they have for you is grace. The love you have for them is redemption. It's how God (or whatever you want to call it "You know, The THING!") saves us miserable reprobates from ourselves.

    Replies: @anonymous

  119. Clickbait and book bait for gals who want men to read their minds even more. I’d like to hear more on the “egalitarian” part of income for each partner. If one partner works harder and brings in more income, isn’t the egalitarian thing for for the other partner to contribute more on home duties? Many feminists are terminally unhappy wanting to be treated like a wife of the 50s, but have a status job, but not have too work too hard (or at least as much as the man), but he should read her mind about which household tasks are most urgent… and like I totally read this book and he just doesn’t care so I want a divorce, and a rich guy, and why is it so hard to find a decent guy, the singles market is terrible, etc…. Hmm, and they say we are reproducing less often?

  120. @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It depends on just what The Atlantic means by “housework”. When it comes to fixing the washer, painting, trash collection, lawnmower repair, and car oil changes, my wife is neither the helper nor the manager. What gives?
     
    I've noticed that in feminist screeds about how men don't share in the housework, they don't include things like plumbing, wiring, carpentry, automotive work, etc. No, the only thing that counts in maintaining a household is cleaning the bathroom and doing the laundry.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Charon

    Yardwork, roofing repair, HVAC, masonry projects, window repair, moving furniture, taking out the trash & recycling, appliance repair, audio/visual system setup, maintenance, replacement…exterior cleaning, internet [as in, anything to do with]; building fires and cleaning up after;
    managing investments, etc etc.

    And of course earning the money to pay for everything.

  121. @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    There’s no gamekeeper. How else shall one prevent poaching of pheasants on one’s estate?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Tex


    There’s no gamekeeper. How else shall one prevent poaching of pheasants on one’s estate?
     
    I like to shoot the poachers myself, don't you?
  122. @Daniel H
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Atlantic article had discovered that while household tasks were handled equitably (with the men still doing the dirty jobs, the heavy lifting) yet men were doing most of the strategizing, they would be damned. Let's face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    Replies: @SFG, @Hannah Katz, @AnotherDad, @Joe862

    Let’s face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    Women are designed to be tedious and “discontented” when it comes to the care and welfare of their children. If they insure everything is “A Ok” their kids have a better chance to survive and reproduce. It can be occasionally annoying but is socially valuable.

    We are cursed to live in an age, where women have few–sometimes no–children and grandchildren, and in which we–stupidly–have given them positions and platforms to broadcast their–now misdirected, purposeless and sometimes destructive–tediousness and discontent to all and sundry.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  123. Most every woman instinctively hates it when a man is indecisive or when he doesn’t take the lead when the lead needs to be taken. Forget whatever mistaken zeitgeist to the contrary happens to be floating around in the air at any given time.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  124. Bottom line: being the manager of a household is a lot of work if your partner is irresponsible. I have to side with the feminists on this

  125. @Bill P
    I live alone with my boys. Can't believe how easy and stress free life is this way. Gets cluttered sometimes, but when we get to it we can clean the place up in no time. Complaining doesn't exist in this household, we never run out of TP, and we can actually buy what we want. Our next goal is a pickup truck so we can take our motorbikes on camping trips.

    Some may say there's something missing here. That's true: there's no nagging, no fighting, no simmering tension, no hysteria, no subtle threats, no emotional blackmail, no vicious put-downs, no baseless resentment and no atmosphere of betrayal.

    Just a father and sons who genuinely, honestly and openly love each other and care for each other. I know it won't last forever, but I'm truly grateful for my life in a way I never have been before. I think I'll give my little one a hug before I head off to work.

    Replies: @jejej, @Old Prude

    That is a tidy synopsis of living with a woman, Bill P.

    But you didn’t say anything about the food. The food makes it worth all the nuttery if you’re married to an Italian.

  126. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    They can’t stand that men can be happy with so little.

    This is why Rosie panics at the very notion of more young men deciding to avoid the risks of modern marriage laws or otherwise deciding to work less than 70 hours/week, simply because those men aren’t working to pay for things women want for free via the government. Rosie’s only ‘argument’ is that ‘these men don’t realize they will be lonely when they are older!’. So she doesn’t want them to have autonomy on their own life decisions, even though she openly is only about her interests, not theirs – they are just cattle to her.

    Note that Rosie never appears on threads like this one, since the men who could shellack her with the most style all aggregate on threads like this.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs’ widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    An important point. The Jobs estate and foundation is worth much more today than it was when Steve Jobs breathed his last on account of Apple’s stock price gains since then, and he certainly would not have been ‘woke’ if alive today.

    That his lunatic widow has so much in the way of resources at her disposal to push the worst stupidities is one of the great tragedies of our age.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Thomm


    Rosie’s only ‘argument’ is that ‘these men don’t realize they will be lonely when they are older!’.
     
    I just turned 66. I found when I became older that loneliness is not an issue because there is a surplus rather than shortage of women at my age. Statistically, a higher percentage of women are married under the age of 45 but after 45 a higher percentage of men are married. Attractive young women have taken some of the older successful men and men die younger so there are not enough older men to go around for all the older women.

    So, if I want to, I could find someone. Many older women, though, have a lifetime of bad choices behind them and have multiple health, financial and family relationship issues in their old age. It's best not to commit to a serious relationship with them because then their problems become my problems. It's really women who need to find someone when they are young. Many guys my age in a relationship are only in it because a female lured them into the relationship back when she was young and attractive, and the men are still in it out of habit or because they formed an emotional attachment to her after being with her for so many years.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  127. @Old Prude
    Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it "managing"? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don't tell the Wife, though, she'll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That's another thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stephen Paul Foster, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Corvinus, @Bill Jones

    “Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.”

    You mean it’s illegal, as well as it should be.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Corvinus

    Ummm. Corvo, sir, it is called "understatement".

    Replies: @Corvinus

  128. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    Christ I wouldn’t let most of them in my house.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @TWS


    ☦️ I wouldn’t let most of them in my house.
     
    Being modern Brits, they probably cuss a blue streak as well.
  129. @Spect3r
    Just another reason why i remain single.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Stan Adams

    Yeah.

    MGTOW = happy incel. (Or volcel, if you prefer.)

    I grew up in a family full of neurotic, controlling, manipulative women. My grandfather kept my grandmother on a tight leash but once he died there was no adult supervision.

    Growing up, my mother was always the least-favored of three siblings. She was the eldest and she resented the fact that my aunt was always the cute little baby who could do no wrong. Even now my mother still complains bitterly about a childhood incident where my grandmother took away one of my mother’s Christmas presents and gave it to my aunt after my aunt threw a tantrum.

    My mother also has this weird obsession with an incident that occurred after she graduated college. Supposedly my aunt (who had major substance-abuse issues) got really high and tried to hire some guy to kill my mother. My aunt swears that she has no recollection of it.

    My mother basically admitted once that her main reason for having me was to solidify her relationship with her parents. Once they had a granddaughter (my cousin) they wanted a grandson and my mother gave them one.

    (My cousin was conceived with much difficulty – my uncle was practically infertile. My parents had no such issues. Indeed, the only reason they ended up together is that he knocked her up. She had a miscarriage shortly after the wedding but they stayed together for four years. Their marriage was crumbling when I was conceived and was over by the time I was born.)

    My cousin and I spent so much time together – every weekend, pretty much – that we were almost like siblings. My grandparents bent over backwards to avoid favoring one over the other. In childhood I probably had the slight edge – I didn’t have a father and my grandfather took a special interest in me. But we were both spoiled rotten. We had our occasional petty rivalries and stupid arguments but overall we got along very well.

    My mother was shameless in using me to try to get what she wanted out of them. My grandfather resisted but once he was gone I found that I could sweet-talk my grandmother into giving me just about anything. So my mother strong-armed me into sweet-talking my grandmother to get what she wanted.

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams


    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.
     
    You have a very southern flavor with your anecdotes.

    That is, no matter what the thread topic is, you have a skilled way of turning the attention back to you, and the anecdotes are tragicomic featuring you as the protagonist, being agitated in a washtub full of crazy-ass bitches.

    Bitter nostalgia will ensure you remain a self-deluding, tired, bitter fat fuck.

    Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy. It’ll take you a loooooong time to consistently generate an authentic feeling of gratitude, but it’s worth the work. It beats what you are now.

    Only your narcissism will try to tell you otherwise.

    Stop marking time, get a trained cognitive therapist, and get to work on yourself. Spare us the "Long Day's Journey into Night – Trailer Trash Version" narratives, and spend that time actively bettering yourself. It’s work. At first you’ll fail. But it’s better than you endlessly upchucking your self-satisfied hard luck stories here. Everybody's got some. You think we really need to hear your special brand of stupid shit?

    And yeah. I’m Protestant. 😇

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Kylie

    , @Pixo
    @Stan Adams

    MGTOW generally have too high standards. Vanity is a sin, you should overcome yours. Best dating app right now is Bumble.

    , @jejej
    @Stan Adams

    H.L Mencken clarified the Eden metaphor quite aptly:

    "Woman is at once the serpent, the apple, and the stomach ache."

    ========================================

    Also:

    "A bachelor is one who has learned the lesson of his brother's punishment."

    I don't know how volcel you are and if that includes never having enjoyed the touch of a woman but most of us, most certainly myself included needed to get burned ourselves before the wisdom of Singlehood set in. Then again, the problem with the Tree of Knowledge isn't just that it LOOKS good but that it's quite addictive too.

    If experience or circumstance managed to make you a confirmed bachelor without having developed a taste for such "knowledge" you ought to count yourself fortunate.

    Most men are trapped and must lie to themselves and others about marriage as loudly as the religious must pray, to drown out the truths they must otherwise face in the depths of their soul.

    =========

    Finally from Mencken on this matter:

    "Women have a good deal more sober sense than men. But men would be just as sensible if there were no women."


    ____________________________________

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  130. to get men to share the “mental load.”

    From housework? Womens get a mental load from housework?

    • Replies: @The Real World
    @Gamecock

    Wow, either you've lived a very solitary and/or sheltered life or you simply have a limited mental capacity.

    Hhhmm, a household with two adults, two or three kids, pets, school schedules, medical care, kids extra-curricular activities, house repairs, lawn to be mowed, laundry, house cleaning, food shopping and preparing, cars to be maintained, bills to be paid, investments to be managed, etc. etc.... and with, possibly, both parents working outside the home leaving minimal time for all that work -- and you don't think there's a helluva lot to organize, manage and get done?

    Fercrissakes, it's like managing a small business. In other words, the work is continual and never ends. Friend, you are exactly the type that makes a less that optimal husband. Dialed out....

  131. @Brutusale
    @R.G. Camara

    An experience with the girlfriend early in our relationship reflected this.

    I live in a lovely place in a nice suburban neighborhood. I keep it "guy clean": things like vacuuming and dusting are done when I think it needs it, not on a schedule. She, on the other hand, spends (wastes) a lot of time keeping her place surgically clean, or "cleaning clean" as I call it. She never brought up my housekeeping habits.

    A few weeks after we felt that we were close enough to exchange house keys, I arrived home from work one day midweek to find her car parked in front of the house. I heard the stereo playing as I walked up to the door and began to have all sorts of naughty thoughts. I silently went in and found nothing on the first floor but the washing machine running and the kitchen looking cleaner than usual. Upstairs, I saw that the sheets were stripped from my bed. Then I saw the bathroom light on. I looked in and saw two lovely legs and an even lovelier panty-clad butt bent over my bathtub scrubbing away in her knickers and one of my t-shirts. It was at that moment that she became a keeper.

    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she's worth the effort!

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @JohnnyWalker123

    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she’s worth the effort!

    Congratulations! She passed a version of the “Door Test.”

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!

    https://imgur.com/a/A3ZPGgL

    She was 58 when I took this last year.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @zoos

  132. Tex says:

    OT: NATO is increasing its rapid reaction force from 40,000 to 300,000 while Sweden and Finland are taking steps to join the alliance.

    Stoltenberg said he expects allies to make clear they consider Russia “as the most significant and direct threat to our security.” At the summit, allies will also decide to strengthen their battlegroups on NATO’s eastern flanks, he said.

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-politics-jens-stoltenberg-madrid-de99d66f04764cf598fd2dc941b6c6bb

    Who’s up for a group read of The Guns of August? Also, where’s an Austrian archduke when you need him?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Tex

    This whole year has been one long pre-apocalyptic clusterf**k. The specter of the mushroom cloud hangs over everything.

    Actually, this whole *decade* (thus far) has been one long pre-apocalypstic clusterf**k.

    Hell, this whole *century* (thus far) has been one long pre-apocalyptic clusterf**k.

    These are interesting times, indeed.

  133. OT — Scott Alexander (Astral Codex Ten) asks What Caused The 2020 Homicide Spike?

    The post opens

    In my review of [the book] San Fransicko, I mentioned that it was hard to separate the effect of San Francisco’s local policies from the general 2020 spike in homicides, which I attributed to the Black Lives Matter protests and subsequent police pullback.

    A line chart shows the murder rate for the United States and cities over 250,000 people. Both increased sharply in 2020.

    Several people in the comments questioned my attribution, saying that they’d read news articles saying the homicide spike was because of the pandemic, or that nobody knew what was causing the spike. I agree there are many articles like that, but I disagree with them. Here’s why…

    His conclusion:

    I think there’s clear evidence that the current murder spike was caused primarily by the 2020 BLM protests. The timing matches the protests well, and the pandemic poorly. The spike is concentrated in black communities and not in any of the other communities affected by the pandemic. It matches homicide spikes corresponding to other anti-police protests, most notably in the cities where those protests happened but to a lesser degree around the country. And the spike seems limited to the US, while other countries had basically stable murder rates over the same period.

    I understand this is the opposite of what lots of other people are saying, but I think they are wrong.

    [MORE]

    In the comments, Matthew Yglesias “[agrees] with almost everything in this post except for the media criticism parts.” Alexander pushes back on Yglesias’ media criticism pushback.

    Further down, Alexander responds to the suggestion that he use the CDC’s compilation of homicide statistics:

    Can you link the specific analysis you’re using?

    (I’m aware of Steve Sailer’s version, but I’m specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)

    Another reader chimes in,

    Why not cite Steve Sailer?

    Which Steve Sailer answers:

    Because I’ve been right so often over the years about crucial questions of race and crime that I’m widely hated for being right so often.

    Personally, I think I’m a public-spirited swell guy, but many others assume I must be a horrible person for being empirically correct so often. So, it would be useful for the common weal if Scott can reproduce my conclusions despite using inferior data sources since I’ve been using the the best ones for the last 25 months.

    Unlike other ACX/SSC threads, I didn’t notice any of Alexander’s left-leaning regulars rising to the occasion with ritual denunciations of Sailer’s evil racistness (or racist evilness). I’m not sure what’s responsible for that change.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @ic1000


    (I’m aware of Steve Sailer’s version, but I’m specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)
     
    Bedwetter detected!

    Replies: @SFG, @EdwardM

  134. Off topic but worth some further investigation:

    Yesterday the Carnival Magic cruise ship docked in NYC after a requested Coast Guard escort from further out at sea.

    Approx. 60 passengers were involved in a “dance floor brawl” where punches and fights “broke out.”

    Cruise security finally got control and locked the participants into their cabins (so it is suggested.)

    No further details as of yet.

    But of course we will soon find out. Okay, drunken passengers back from a Caribbean island cruise.

    Since in our Woke Media era, we suspect this was mainly non Whites. Soon the social media posters will tell us who or what sort of passengers were involved. Young? Drunk? Black?

    Maybe some special group?

    Why do I suspect it was mostly black (Black!)?

    Subway Subs worker killed in Atlanta shop was shot in the face over “too much mayo” on sandwich. Perp was black. Kid in GA killed in too hot car died, kid was black (so was father no doubt).

    I guess my “noticin’ fever” is acting up…

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Muggles

    The Daily Mail has a clip from one of the passengers. It was mostly magic Americans as you suspected. It will be interesting to see how many are arrested or prosecuted. I had not heard Caribbean cruises were getting more diverse.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10963717/Cruise-ship-brawl-erupts-Carnival-Magics-dance-club.html

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Art Deco
    @Muggles

    There's a TikTok video of a fragment of the brawl. If the fragment is representative, you have guessed correctly. You can see others in the frame, but they appear to be staff and bystanders trying to cool things down.

  135. The research shows no one likes women managers, even women. Women prefer male bosses.

    As to housework, even if a man did 90% of all housework while working full time, while his wife was a stay at home mo., the wife still would not be satisfied.

    Most women just want something to complain about. Taking it seriously is just a big mistake. It is a classic sh1t test to determine suitability of a man.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gaius Gracchus

    As to housework, even if a man did 90% of all housework while working full time, while his wife was a stay at home mo., the wife still would not be satisfied.

    Most women just want something to complain about. Taking it seriously is just a big mistake. It is a classic sh1t test to determine suitability of a man.

    This is exactly right.

    Men that constantly do more for women don't realize that they will just complain about something else. In fact it makes women uncomfortable to have a man that is always trying to please them. It just isn't in their nature.

    No matter what you bring to the table they will eventually complain about socks being left out or the toilet seat up. It's what they do. Duh.

    Have a beer and go practice some chip shots in the back yard.

  136. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    How long before the chauffer impregnates the fixer and/or the housekeeper? Or indeed the lady of the house. Not forgetting the maternity nurse. Maybe.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lurker

    Ideally you need a wet-nurse, less likely to be impregnated (and with wonderful fringe benefits if you are fortunate).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse

    , @Bill Jones
    @Lurker

    I was thinking the chef knocking up the butler, a la Buttigieg.
    Get with the times.

  137. @Old Prude
    Speaking as a whipped husband, tired and experienced from 31 years of fighting: Helping and letting the Boss have her way is the path of least resistance. The Girlz want to call it "managing"? Swell ladies. In the olden time they had another word for it: Nagging.

    Why do men put up with it? Low expectations, laziness and economics. Marriage will never be the ethereal bliss of finding a soulmate. Working through a divorce is too much work and a financial disaster. Don't tell the Wife, though, she'll have a fit.

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That's another thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stephen Paul Foster, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Corvinus, @Bill Jones

    Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.

    It’s been downhill ever since they limited it to a stick no thicker than ones thumb.
    That was what the 1400’s?

    • LOL: Old Prude
  138. @Muggles
    Off topic but worth some further investigation:

    Yesterday the Carnival Magic cruise ship docked in NYC after a requested Coast Guard escort from further out at sea.

    Approx. 60 passengers were involved in a "dance floor brawl" where punches and fights "broke out."

    Cruise security finally got control and locked the participants into their cabins (so it is suggested.)

    No further details as of yet.

    But of course we will soon find out. Okay, drunken passengers back from a Caribbean island cruise.

    Since in our Woke Media era, we suspect this was mainly non Whites. Soon the social media posters will tell us who or what sort of passengers were involved. Young? Drunk? Black?

    Maybe some special group?

    Why do I suspect it was mostly black (Black!)?

    Subway Subs worker killed in Atlanta shop was shot in the face over "too much mayo" on sandwich. Perp was black. Kid in GA killed in too hot car died, kid was black (so was father no doubt).

    I guess my "noticin' fever" is acting up...

    Replies: @Barnard, @Art Deco

    The Daily Mail has a clip from one of the passengers. It was mostly magic Americans as you suspected. It will be interesting to see how many are arrested or prosecuted. I had not heard Caribbean cruises were getting more diverse.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10963717/Cruise-ship-brawl-erupts-Carnival-Magics-dance-club.html

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Barnard

    They're all dressed in white. Are we even sure they weren't crew members?

  139. @rebel yell
    @R.G. Camara

    When we first got married, I wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home. I wanted to eat out because it is quick and easy and I don't really care what I eat anyway.
    We never voted on the question of whether to eat out or cook at home. She made it clear this was non-negotiable.
    Thus began what has now been 25 years of meals at home, with me getting a weekly scolding for not helping enough in the kitchen and for being too stupid to know how to cook.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @James J. O'Meara, @Pontius

    ” wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home”

    House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD – Proverbs 19:14.

  140. @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    How long before the chauffer impregnates the fixer and/or the housekeeper? Or indeed the lady of the house. Not forgetting the maternity nurse. Maybe.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

    Ideally you need a wet-nurse, less likely to be impregnated (and with wonderful fringe benefits if you are fortunate).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse

  141. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pixo

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-09.png




    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.
     
    Here's some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

    https://imgur.com/a/cKlGB1x

    https://imgur.com/a/bmv6CVE

    Replies: @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    Wow.

    A quarter of Black men out-marry.

    Thirty six percent of Asian women out-marry.

    I didn’t realize abortion rates were so high.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    That data is for newlyweds. So if you include individuals who are already married, the numbers are substantially lower. You also have to factor in that different races have different marriage rates.

    Here's some more interesting data.

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Black-Marriage-in-2017-Chart-1.png

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2019-Black-Marital-Status.png

    https://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Marriage-Statistics-by-Race-1.png


    I didn’t realize abortion rates were so high.

     

    The data was from NYC.

    Here's some nationally representative data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm#T6_down

    Abortion rate per 1,000 women aged 15–44 (By ethnicity in the year 2019).

    White: 6.6
    Black: 23.8
    Hispanic: 11.7
    "Other" (Asian and Native American): 13.0
    All races: 11.4

    This implies that abortion cuts the White fertility rate by 0.198.
    This implies that abortion cuts the Black fertility rate by 0.714.
    This implies that abortion cuts the Hispanic fertility rate by 0.351
    This implies that abortion cuts the "Other" (Asian and Native American) fertility rate by 0.39.
    This implies that abortion cuts the national fertility rate by 0.342.
  142. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup.
     

    Well, actually, the testimony was that Trump gave a direct order to the Secret Service agent, who disobeyed that direct order and took Trump someplace against Trump's will.

    Legally, if true, that would make the Secret Service agent guilty of not only insubordination but also kidnapping!

    However, the testimony is fake: both Trump and the Secret Service shot it down.

    The woman who gave the testimony admitted it was only hearsay, probably just her wet dream in fact.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Ron Mexico, @ic1000, @Jim Don Bob

    Rat fink bitches like CH are one reason DJT came to rely (too much) on Ivanka and her idiot husband Jared.

    I subscribed to The Atlantic for over twenty years. Then Michael Kelly got killed in Iraq and it went down the toilet. It would be completely flushed if not for the widow Jobs’ money.

  143. @ic1000
    OT -- Scott Alexander (Astral Codex Ten) asks What Caused The 2020 Homicide Spike?

    The post opens


    In my review of [the book] San Fransicko, I mentioned that it was hard to separate the effect of San Francisco’s local policies from the general 2020 spike in homicides, which I attributed to the Black Lives Matter protests and subsequent police pullback.

    A line chart shows the murder rate for the United States and cities over 250,000 people. Both increased sharply in 2020.

    Several people in the comments questioned my attribution, saying that they’d read news articles saying the homicide spike was because of the pandemic, or that nobody knew what was causing the spike. I agree there are many articles like that, but I disagree with them. Here’s why...
     

    His conclusion:

    I think there’s clear evidence that the current murder spike was caused primarily by the 2020 BLM protests. The timing matches the protests well, and the pandemic poorly. The spike is concentrated in black communities and not in any of the other communities affected by the pandemic. It matches homicide spikes corresponding to other anti-police protests, most notably in the cities where those protests happened but to a lesser degree around the country. And the spike seems limited to the US, while other countries had basically stable murder rates over the same period.

    I understand this is the opposite of what lots of other people are saying, but I think they are wrong.
     


    In the comments, Matthew Yglesias "[agrees] with almost everything in this post except for the media criticism parts." Alexander pushes back on Yglesias' media criticism pushback.

    Further down, Alexander responds to the suggestion that he use the CDC's compilation of homicide statistics:


    Can you link the specific analysis you're using?

    (I'm aware of Steve Sailer's version, but I'm specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)
     

    Another reader chimes in,

    Why not cite Steve Sailer?
     
    Which Steve Sailer answers:

    Because I've been right so often over the years about crucial questions of race and crime that I'm widely hated for being right so often.

    Personally, I think I'm a public-spirited swell guy, but many others assume I must be a horrible person for being empirically correct so often. So, it would be useful for the common weal if Scott can reproduce my conclusions despite using inferior data sources since I've been using the the best ones for the last 25 months.
     

    Unlike other ACX/SSC threads, I didn't notice any of Alexander's left-leaning regulars rising to the occasion with ritual denunciations of Sailer's evil racistness (or racist evilness). I'm not sure what's responsible for that change.
     

    Replies: @Lurker

    (I’m aware of Steve Sailer’s version, but I’m specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)

    Bedwetter detected!

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lurker

    The depressing thing is he probably has a lot of respect for Steve but has to pretend he doesn’t. I’d suggest they secretly exchange emails, but Scott’s already been hacked once.

    , @EdwardM
    @Lurker

    Yeah but by "not citing Steve Sailer," he cited Steve Sailer.

    Clever way to do so while avoiding guilt by association.

  144. @Luddite in Chief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I don’t exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I’ve never heard the term.
     
    Simple put, a fixer is someone who can arrange ("fix") anything you need. Looking for a hot date? A fixer can arrange it. Got a member of the awkward squad clogging up your life? A fixer can arrange for their sudden disappearance.

    In short, if you have a need, a fixer can fulfill it (for the right price, of course).

    The best example of a fixer I know of is the crooked mayor (played by Clarence Kolb) in His Girl Friday (1940) with Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell.

    (If you are not familiar with the film, trust me, it repays a viewing.)

    The scene you want to look for is two-thirds of the way into the film. It's the one where a messenger shows up with a rather inconvenient pardon and the mayor contrives to get rid of him so he will stay of the way until it is too late.

    That is "fixing."

    (Oh, and: that woman in the picture from The Daily Mail? That is some idiot SJW's idea of what a fixer should look like. Like most ideas SJWs have, it bears no connection to reality whatever. The DM has a mostly female readership, which is why it can indulge in such fantasies without losing subscribers.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @The Anti-Gnostic

    I will look for that movie, LiC, so thanks for that too.

    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …

    • Replies: @Luddite in Chief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …
     
    Not nearly as brilliant as this shirt that actually takes advantage of the phenomenon of Builder’s Bum (as we call it):

    https://i.imgur.com/EAo5a17.jpeg

    Best of all, it was done using a German political leader (the text reads, "more attractive than you think"). Who says the Germans have no sense of humour?

    (I cannot quite decide if that picture is genuinely funny or merely tasteless.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Mr Mox
    @Achmed E. Newman


    ...you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …
     
    Close, but no cigar...

    https://i.imgur.com/aH85iEa.jpg
  145. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Often men are lazier in the home and often woman have more exacting standards of comfort for them to feel comfortable. This combines with a general cultural reluctance to perceive women as actively abusive and also to passive abuse as “abuse.”

    All of this then leads to a reasonably frequent dynamic of women nagging, berating and castigating men, without fully realising that they, the women, are being cruel, and men acting out a sort of dumb ignorance that is equally cruel and manipulative, when it comes to household needs.

    I can’t say what comes first, just that it is a common dynamic of mutual unpleasantness. I have no doubt that both sides in such disputes have generally rationalised themselves into being purely defensive, or entitled to act as they do, or just a victim.

    Of course, much of the time, each side actually does do their own cruelty to a lesser degree and, sometimes, it is defensive. But that doesn’t stop either behaviour from being hurtful.

    There’s no easy solution to such a dynamic, indeed addressing it will, because humans seem incapable of being real in a sustained fashion, bring up a myriad of other issues. Nonetheless, admitting that it a mutually bad situation, in which both people could do better, will do a lot to make it more bearable.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Perceptive comment. If you're inclined to answer: are you a guy or a gal, single or paired up?

  146. @possumman
    Been married over 40 years--I still don't load the dishwasher correctly (per my wife) but the dishes still come out clean--even if my wife is ot home for a week the dishes come out clean. However if I were to be gone the grass would not get cut

    Replies: @Old Prude

    How can you get away with that without a frying pan to the head?

  147. @Bannon
    What must be understood in this area is the Passive Agressive Problem. As a husband, I often wanted to "notice" things and pitch in, but I held back because I didn't want to send a message that my wife had fallen down on the job, or that I was somehow disgusted by the state of affairs around the house. I looked for key things I could do that didn't involve much coordination, criticism, or "noticing." Some points that emerged:

    1. Laundry is not a good candidate, because her laundry volume was 5x mine, with lots of delicates and garments I would not understand the value of.
    2. Cleaning toilets is great -- just do it and nobody minds.
    3. Vaccuuming is a little bit of "this place is filthy" judgment, so it needs to be done on an automatic schedule.
    5. Cooking is a troubled area if the wife begins as a stay-at-home mom. She is the meal provider of the young children and it's hard to switch gears.
    6. Keeping the kitchen clean is the best area for both to help -- just keep cleaning each night and each morning to maintain a good clean kitchen. It is the centerpiece of a clean house.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Bannon, that is sound advice for a long marriage. Cleaning the bathrooms is always a safe bet, and not too onerous if you have earbuds, a good podcast and a bourbon and coke.

    • Replies: @jejej
    @Old Prude

    No need to waste coke-level money just to clean your own bathroom. The government is hamding out crack pipes for free!

  148. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    It is to earn enough to hire the help.
     
    Where’s the Jamaican gardener?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/americans-are-biased-in-favor-of-black-authors/#comment-5403041 (#27)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Cortes, @James J. O'Meara

    At one of his other three job. What, you have only one job, you lazy bumbaclot!

  149. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    >Indian driver
    NO NO NO SIR DO NOT REDEEM

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

    Nice reference.

  150. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    “It drives women crazy that men can just sit and be happy.”

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  151. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    Your betters are laughing at you…..Trump will be your next president and you will benefit in spite of yourself…..suck on that.

  152. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/BreezyScroll/status/1541841953050054656

    I, for one, welcome our new 2 year-old overlord.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones, @Peter D. Bredon, @Right_On

    I can’t wait until she starts posting about HBD on Unz.

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  153. @J.Ross
    Look, it's Paul McCartney!
    https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/paul-mccartney-bruce-springsteen-billie-eilish-glastonbury-audience-bbc-1235304915/

    While Steve looks at Paul, read this:
    WHATS HAPPENED TODAY THAT SHILLS ARE DESPERATE TO DISTRACT FROM:

    1. Hunter Biden’s voicemail box revealing Joe Biden had ILLEGAL FINANCIAL DEALINGS IN UKRAINE AND CHINA that Hunter was the patsy for, and that Hunter was having sex with Russian hookers and his daddy was paying for all of it, and JOE KNEW and had direct conversations about, the EXACT thing they claimed Trump was guilty of but never had any proof. [Also something we strongly suspected on extremely good grounds back before the election, but which mainstream journalists and government authorities insisted was a Russian disinformation story.]
    https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/calls-for-action-as-biden-voicemail-reveals-he-knew-of-hunter-china-deals/amp/

    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.

    3. Nobody giving a &%# anymore about Roe versus Wade and Democrats overplaying their hand. [Some Roe antifas are actually being atrested. They must be so confused.]

    4. Nobody giving a &#[email protected] about the January 6th committee so they publish this story to pretend something suddenly matters, but they have no proof.

    But by all means believe that Trump wanted to personally storm the capitol by ramming it with his car and then lobbing grenades, after painting walls with ketchup. If anything that makes him look better.

    Replies: @Charon, @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Donald Trump is one half of a deep cover sabotage team brought together by the Soviets and now loyal to Russia. Proof? Here it is:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Cagey Beast

    He did that at the same time that he tulpæically had his psychic way with AOC, the absolute legend.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  154. @fish
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Oh Ebony's Duck......

    Replies: @tyrone

    Odd that he didn’t mention white women ,for once it would have been on topic.

  155. @anonymous
    Heh! I always helped with oil changes, tire changes and other stuff. We argued a lot on how to do things or the best way and I usually stormed off when HE would get loud. Then HE would come into the house from the garage and do his obligatory "Hon, Honey! Are you gonna help me with this?." But when it came to the dishes he would always like to come into the kitchen at about the last dish and ask me if I wanted him to do the dishes. It always got a chuckle out me. He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn't like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    Replies: @David Jones, @Bill Jones, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    My lie detector is twitching.

  156. @Andy
    Completely off-topic, there seems to be some sort of brouhaha that a German museum gives back an African statue to the nation of Cameroon. Here are the details, where you can see what appears to be the highlight of Subsaharan Africa's art:

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/spotlight-on-germany-s-colonial-past-when-can-ngonnso-return-home-a-a2ab356d-538f-4ae7-b452-82060382e2c7


    https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/6b2182cd-e808-432f-9efb-6c0f4fe30da1_w996_r1.6396242527754057_fpx49_fpy40.webp

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paco Wové

    German museum gives back an African statue to the nation of Cameroon

    …… Maybe they should give back “the seat of satan” to Turkey ,ever wonder why Germany is cursed.

  157. @jejej
    @Bill P

    Congratulations that indeed sounds quite nice.

    Society has normalized moms having a larger influence on their sons than dads and that is a terrible thing.

    Obviously infants and toddlers should have more to do with their mom than their dad but from the age of 4 a boy should start feeling aspirational toward being like his daddy.

    And a 10 year old boy with a clingy mother is in a bad situation.

    Unfortunately it's very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I assume that daughters are easier. You can let your wife handle the kid's drama and just accept that What Will Be Will Be. Men aren't supposed to be raising their girls in the first place. But co-raising boys with their mother is a quandry.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Johnson, @Bill P

    “I assume that daughters are easier.”

    No. Harder.

  158. @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Old Prude

    "Three things there be that drive a goodman from the house: a leaky roof, a smoky chimney, and a scolding wife."
    Medieval wisdom

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Before the medieval times and well before The Atlantic commenced publishing, there was Proverbs 21:9. The King James Version:

    It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

    This was written in an area with a warm climate and in an era of flat roof construction, mind you. Periods were already of roughly the same duration.

  159. @AnotherDad
    Whiny women whining about men. Yawn. As certain as death and taxes.


    Real men and women have their particular small complaints about their spouse ... wish he wouldn't do that, wish she would do this ... but just get on with building and enjoying life--and being men and women--together.

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly "work on their relationship".

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @John Johnson

    Real men and women have their particular small complaints about their spouse … wish he wouldn’t do that, wish she would do this … but just get on with building and enjoying life–and being men and women–together.

    Pity the poor sad sack guys that end up with some writer for the Atlantic and have to regularly “work on their relationship”.

    Liberal writers constantly project their weak relationships onto others.

    I honestly feel bad for the women that have to marry these guys. I’m not surprised the women try to control them. There is no way I could live with a liberal guy for more than a week.

    My wife and I don’t try to control each other. We are more like friends and not in some boss/employee relationship.

    I’ll do any type of work that needs to be done. Don’t really care and my balls haven’t fallen off yet.

    I have masculinity to spare but thanks for the concern libs. Maybe don’t be such a liberal pushover and your wife won’t try to boss you around like a mule.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  160. @Ron Mexico
    @PhysicistDave

    Nothing said in these "hearings" should be taken seriously. Two phony impeachments and now this nonsense. If ebony obelisk or anyone else here is investing time in this clown show, you deserve to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    For free?!

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Only if you found a way to include Hunter Biden. Be creative.

  161. I have been around a lot of liberal couples and it became very apparent that liberalism makes men less attractive to liberal women.

    It doesn’t simply make them effeminate. That actually isn’t the main problem.

    It takes away some core masculinity from them. They can’t do stuff like go watch a ballgame or work on a car and mentally relax. It’s like they are wearing a chain in every single activity. They are always careful of what they might say or how they are perceived.

    The women in these relationships want their men to be more like me even though they would have a hard time admitting it. Women want men to be men. This however contradicts the liberal idea that masculine White men are bad for society. Liberalism is a mental burden for both White men and women. No one can honestly state what they want as everyone has to live in a make believe world where certain gender and race realities don’t exist.

    I also noticed that Black and Hispanic men can be as masculine as they want and in fact White women are allowed to make positive comments on their masculinity, even borderline sexual in front of their husbands. Liberalism is a truly perverse egalitarian cult that holds strong White men to be the main threat to utopia. That cult belief however doesn’t stop White women’s DNA from being attracted to them. Black and Hispanic women are also attracted to masculine White men. Good lord those Black women will let you know if they are interested. Troof’s female cousins aren’t subtle if they want a piece of “the man”.

  162. @Muggles
    Off topic but worth some further investigation:

    Yesterday the Carnival Magic cruise ship docked in NYC after a requested Coast Guard escort from further out at sea.

    Approx. 60 passengers were involved in a "dance floor brawl" where punches and fights "broke out."

    Cruise security finally got control and locked the participants into their cabins (so it is suggested.)

    No further details as of yet.

    But of course we will soon find out. Okay, drunken passengers back from a Caribbean island cruise.

    Since in our Woke Media era, we suspect this was mainly non Whites. Soon the social media posters will tell us who or what sort of passengers were involved. Young? Drunk? Black?

    Maybe some special group?

    Why do I suspect it was mostly black (Black!)?

    Subway Subs worker killed in Atlanta shop was shot in the face over "too much mayo" on sandwich. Perp was black. Kid in GA killed in too hot car died, kid was black (so was father no doubt).

    I guess my "noticin' fever" is acting up...

    Replies: @Barnard, @Art Deco

    There’s a TikTok video of a fragment of the brawl. If the fragment is representative, you have guessed correctly. You can see others in the frame, but they appear to be staff and bystanders trying to cool things down.

  163. @Mr. Anon
    @Ebony Obelisk


    The hearing testimony today was devastating
     
    The thing that really ought to be investigated is why some parents name their daughters "Cassidy".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Let Bob Weir and John Perry Barlow (with help from Jerry) explain:

    Check out when Bobby wants Jerry to end the solo by ~05:15, and he finally just yells out “Hey!” or whatever at 05:35. See, you can’t do that at Classical recitals.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://youtu.be/RhcEXk_pJ9c

    I think at some later date the guitarist apologized to fans of Jerry.

  164. @Anon
    @J.Ross


    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.
     
    This is a losing issue. Middle-class normies don't want to be associated with white knighting for underage prostitutes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Gabe Ruth

    You’re looking at pizzagate in terms of elections (and those worthless tv-watchers!). Mistake.

  165. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    “Someone told a friend of an acquaintance who knows someone who said they saw Trump hijack the Space X rocket and he yelled THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY as he flew by the international space station.”

    @physicsgeek on Twitter today

  166. @jejej
    @Bill P

    Congratulations that indeed sounds quite nice.

    Society has normalized moms having a larger influence on their sons than dads and that is a terrible thing.

    Obviously infants and toddlers should have more to do with their mom than their dad but from the age of 4 a boy should start feeling aspirational toward being like his daddy.

    And a 10 year old boy with a clingy mother is in a bad situation.

    Unfortunately it's very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I assume that daughters are easier. You can let your wife handle the kid's drama and just accept that What Will Be Will Be. Men aren't supposed to be raising their girls in the first place. But co-raising boys with their mother is a quandry.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Johnson, @Bill P

    Unfortunately it’s very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Tearing your son away from your overbearing wife? Good lord where do you guys live?

    Here in the country the women expect the men to take the sons fishing, camping, shooting, etc. They want their boys to grow up as men and not gender neutral soy boys.

    In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason.

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I guess not LOL.

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @John Johnson

    "In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason."

    A few weeks ago a divorcee swung by the house with a problem. She had a nail in a tire and it was leaking air. She also had a 15-y.o. son sitting in the front seat, laying on his phone. She asked if I could help.

    "Sure, I can help. Son, put that phone down and change that tire."

    Uninterested shrug. "I don't know how."

    "First thing, grab the owner's manual from the glove box ..."

    It took awhile, but he got it done and learned a life lesson.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @The Real World
    @John Johnson


    Men do not know how to handle their women.
     
    That sentence speaks volumes about why jejej has problems with women and is always complaining about them on here. It doesn't occur to him that he should figure out how HE is the problem.

    It starts with his over-arching patriarchal view of human relations. Ya, that will strike you out in most situations in the 21st century. I shake my head.
  167. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    A “fixer” in this context is not a repairman but someone who gets things done. Local zoning authorities won’t allow construction of a huge swimming pool in the backyard? The fixer gets them to change their minds, and the pool can be built. The homeowners’ son has gotten into a spot o’ bother, perhaps involving an underage girl? The fixer makes sure everything quietly goes away.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @prosa123

    Or the Wolf in Pulp Fiction.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    A “fixer” in this context is not a repairman...
     
    That's obvious from the picture.

    ...but someone who gets things done.
     
    E.g., the 1919 World Series. Or, in this case, its equivalent in Blighty.

    Of which there are plenty to choose.
  168. OT Polls now confirming what I belatedly realized after my initial panic: nobody paying six bidenbucks a gallon for gas they need every week is voting in reaction to Dobbs.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/29/polling-shows-dobbs-decision-wont-help-democrats-in-november/

  169. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    A "fixer" in this context is not a repairman but someone who gets things done. Local zoning authorities won't allow construction of a huge swimming pool in the backyard? The fixer gets them to change their minds, and the pool can be built. The homeowners' son has gotten into a spot o' bother, perhaps involving an underage girl? The fixer makes sure everything quietly goes away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    Or the Wolf in Pulp Fiction.

  170. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Modern art" is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, ...

    Many Picasso's work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, ...

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    Sr. Dali is indeed one of us:

    “Make Art Great Again: The Good Optics of Salvador Dalí”
    https://counter-currents.com/2022/05/make-art-great-again-the-good-optics-of-salvador-dali-part-1/

  171. @Reg Cæsar

    Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”
     
    Silly. The man's job isn't to "help". It is to earn enough to hire the help.


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/29/23/36243570-0-image-a-2_1606691783014.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie, @Almost Missouri, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon7, @Tex, @TWS, @Lurker, @prosa123, @Truth

    They have The Fixer manspreading.

  172. @Lofasz a seggedbe
    "I mean, he might do half the work... But is he obsessing about chores all day like I am? I don't think so."

    "Yeah, he does all the shit I ask him to do. But does he care as much as me?!? Of course not that selfish prick!"

    "He doesn't understand exactly what I want him to do any particular moment in time -- and actually asks me to fully articulate my request? The emotional labor of making my wishes known is exhausting."

    Like all feminists, Mangino is simply incoherent. Looking for some sort of usable or interesting or even consistent logical framework in her worldview is a fool’s errand.

    Her ideas are nothing more, nothing less than a projection of the immutable feminine Big Three:

    1) solipsism (anything outside my worldview does not exist)
    2) self-centeredness (I am the most important thing to me)
    3) coyness (you need spend time and money to figure me! Me! Me! Out.)

    Layer in the usual feminine predilections for complaint and faux-independence posturing and need to be patronized — and there you have it.

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

    Her ideas are nothing more, nothing less than a projection of the immutable feminine Big Three:

    1) solipsism (anything outside my worldview does not exist)
    2) self-centeredness (I am the most important thing to me)
    3) coyness (you need spend time and money to figure me! Me! Me! Out.)

    Give me a hug and a double high-five you bastard.

    (Literally every woman I knew in NYC)

  173. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel226
    @Anonymous

    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.

    Did you try going through an agency to pick up a white American nanny?

    Price was the same, was it?

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @Anonymous

    No idea. I didn’t get involved with hiring the nanny. I suppose hiring is a manager decision. Shrug.

  174. @rebel yell
    @R.G. Camara

    When we first got married, I wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home. I wanted to eat out because it is quick and easy and I don't really care what I eat anyway.
    We never voted on the question of whether to eat out or cook at home. She made it clear this was non-negotiable.
    Thus began what has now been 25 years of meals at home, with me getting a weekly scolding for not helping enough in the kitchen and for being too stupid to know how to cook.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @James J. O'Meara, @Pontius

    So basically you’re a “male chauvinist” who appears to “force” his wife to slave away in the kitchen all day, because you just don’t care about “forcing” her to go to swanky restaurants. All her wifely friends must give her much sympathy for being married to such a “slave driver”.

    I think this is an example of “old time forced sex roles” that actually were ways of wives exerting power; having hand, as George Costanza would say.

    It’s almost as good as “My hot wife forces me to have sex with her all the time” a la Al Bundy.

  175. @Lurker
    @ic1000


    (I’m aware of Steve Sailer’s version, but I’m specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)
     
    Bedwetter detected!

    Replies: @SFG, @EdwardM

    The depressing thing is he probably has a lot of respect for Steve but has to pretend he doesn’t. I’d suggest they secretly exchange emails, but Scott’s already been hacked once.

  176. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    @Spect3r

    Yeah.

    MGTOW = happy incel. (Or volcel, if you prefer.)

    I grew up in a family full of neurotic, controlling, manipulative women. My grandfather kept my grandmother on a tight leash but once he died there was no adult supervision.

    Growing up, my mother was always the least-favored of three siblings. She was the eldest and she resented the fact that my aunt was always the cute little baby who could do no wrong. Even now my mother still complains bitterly about a childhood incident where my grandmother took away one of my mother’s Christmas presents and gave it to my aunt after my aunt threw a tantrum.

    My mother also has this weird obsession with an incident that occurred after she graduated college. Supposedly my aunt (who had major substance-abuse issues) got really high and tried to hire some guy to kill my mother. My aunt swears that she has no recollection of it.

    My mother basically admitted once that her main reason for having me was to solidify her relationship with her parents. Once they had a granddaughter (my cousin) they wanted a grandson and my mother gave them one.

    (My cousin was conceived with much difficulty - my uncle was practically infertile. My parents had no such issues. Indeed, the only reason they ended up together is that he knocked her up. She had a miscarriage shortly after the wedding but they stayed together for four years. Their marriage was crumbling when I was conceived and was over by the time I was born.)

    My cousin and I spent so much time together - every weekend, pretty much - that we were almost like siblings. My grandparents bent over backwards to avoid favoring one over the other. In childhood I probably had the slight edge - I didn’t have a father and my grandfather took a special interest in me. But we were both spoiled rotten. We had our occasional petty rivalries and stupid arguments but overall we got along very well.

    My mother was shameless in using me to try to get what she wanted out of them. My grandfather resisted but once he was gone I found that I could sweet-talk my grandmother into giving me just about anything. So my mother strong-armed me into sweet-talking my grandmother to get what she wanted.

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pixo, @jejej

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    You have a very southern flavor with your anecdotes.

    That is, no matter what the thread topic is, you have a skilled way of turning the attention back to you, and the anecdotes are tragicomic featuring you as the protagonist, being agitated in a washtub full of crazy-ass bitches.

    Bitter nostalgia will ensure you remain a self-deluding, tired, bitter fat fuck.

    Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy. It’ll take you a loooooong time to consistently generate an authentic feeling of gratitude, but it’s worth the work. It beats what you are now.

    Only your narcissism will try to tell you otherwise.

    Stop marking time, get a trained cognitive therapist, and get to work on yourself. Spare us the “Long Day’s Journey into Night – Trailer Trash Version” narratives, and spend that time actively bettering yourself. It’s work. At first you’ll fail. But it’s better than you endlessly upchucking your self-satisfied hard luck stories here. Everybody’s got some. You think we really need to hear your special brand of stupid shit?

    And yeah. I’m Protestant. 😇

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. I need a good kick in the ass every now and then. :D

    I’m definitely a narcissist. Might as well add “attention whore” to the list, as well

    Honesty is always appreciated.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Anonymous

    And, since you do respect me enough to tell me off, I’ll add this:

    I’m fully aware that I’ve become something of a troll on this site. I didn’t set out to become one but it just sort of happened. I really don’t have anything meaningful to contribute aside from an occasional Hunter Biden joke.

    And I do believe that this site is important. Steve’s work is important. I owe it to everyone here to stop getting in the way.

    So Stan Adams is going on hiatus. I know I’ve said that before but this time I really do feel as if I’ve blown my wad and worn out my welcome. I was just waiting for someone to say it, and you did.

    So thank you, Anon945. And thank you to everyone here who has put up with my constant digressions. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    And thank you, Steve, for all that you do.

    Good night, and good luck. I’ll see you along the trail.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    "Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy."

    Truer words were never spoken. Gratitude is the foundation, always. I'm lucky I have a natural aptitude for it. It allowed me to overcome an abusive past to the point where I now enjoy genuine contentment. That doesn't come without regrets or a sense of the good things I missed but it's more than I dreamed of when I was young and probably more than I deserve.

    Every day is a gift.

  177. @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar

    How long before the chauffer impregnates the fixer and/or the housekeeper? Or indeed the lady of the house. Not forgetting the maternity nurse. Maybe.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Bill Jones

    I was thinking the chef knocking up the butler, a la Buttigieg.
    Get with the times.

  178. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/BreezyScroll/status/1541841953050054656

    I, for one, welcome our new 2 year-old overlord.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones, @Peter D. Bredon, @Right_On

    A white child, thank goodness. If she’d been black, we’d never hear the end of it.
    Unlike POTUS, I see she’s smart enough to stick to riding a tricycle.

  179. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pixo

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-09.png




    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.
     
    Here's some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

    https://imgur.com/a/cKlGB1x

    https://imgur.com/a/bmv6CVE

    Replies: @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal’s children aren’t seen as white at all.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal’s children aren’t seen as white at all.

    You are focusing on the women.

    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don't come out that big.

    Of course this shouldn't matter but public schools are rough places and White women can be harsh on short guys. White women aren't as picky about looks or money as depicted on the internet but a majority of them will pass on short guys. Harsh but true.

    White men should think more about offspring rather than what gets them off.

    Asian women can also get bitchy once they have children. White women will normally even out a bit but Asian women put all their focus on the kids and badger the husband. You also have to put up with the family dinners which are boring as hell. You will want to stab yourself in the eyes while sitting there pretending to care about what Grandma Chang has to say. I dated an Asian woman for a while and went right back to White women.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

  180. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    A "fixer" in this context is not a repairman but someone who gets things done. Local zoning authorities won't allow construction of a huge swimming pool in the backyard? The fixer gets them to change their minds, and the pool can be built. The homeowners' son has gotten into a spot o' bother, perhaps involving an underage girl? The fixer makes sure everything quietly goes away.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    A “fixer” in this context is not a repairman…

    That’s obvious from the picture.

    …but someone who gets things done.

    E.g., the 1919 World Series. Or, in this case, its equivalent in Blighty.

    Of which there are plenty to choose.

  181. @R.G. Camara
    @Ragged

    Feminist gal Lindy West: fat, ugly, opinionated, unfeminine.

    guy: different race, got a loser face despite his decent looks.

    3rd wheel: plain jane with tattoos and vacuous stare.

    Verdict: Lindy wanted to be different, got an interracial bf, and when he started to stray, Lindy decided that she could work that into being different by jumping on the poly fad. BF was all for it, since Lindy's fame probably brings home some money and he can close his eyes when he bangs her. 3rd wheel is stupid and easily pushed around, so bf and Lindy can take turns abusing her.

    Future: breaks down into abuse and hurling insults. BF might end up coming out as gay after it all. Vacuous girl dies of o.d. Lindy doesn't even bother with their funerals ("too patriarchal, and btw look at my new trans adopted child!")

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    Glad to see you back to commenting on things you know about, Argie. Keep it up.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Paul Mendez

    lol. Mendie! Still mad you tried to lie and coverup that auto dealerships are money launderers? Man, poor Menie, he must own a dealership and doesn't want to get caught.

    https://www.autodealertodaymagazine.com/365506/7-warning-signs-of-money-laundering-at-your-dealership

    https://sumsub.com/blog/money-laundering-vehicles/

  182. She wants something done? I merely assure her that I’m closely monitoring the situation and am receiving daily briefings

  183. @anonymous
    Heh! I always helped with oil changes, tire changes and other stuff. We argued a lot on how to do things or the best way and I usually stormed off when HE would get loud. Then HE would come into the house from the garage and do his obligatory "Hon, Honey! Are you gonna help me with this?." But when it came to the dishes he would always like to come into the kitchen at about the last dish and ask me if I wanted him to do the dishes. It always got a chuckle out me. He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn't like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    Replies: @David Jones, @Bill Jones, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    You’re damned if you do because we’re the ones who have to redo it.

  184. @Technite78
    Feminism is inherently incoherent. Unfortunately, it seems that most women who have spent more than a few years in (and especially those native to) the modern West are infected with a world view that leads to anger, dissatisfaction, and likely childlessness.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I realize the birth rate has plummeted in recent years but don’t the majority of reproductive age women have children?

  185. @Daniel H
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Atlantic article had discovered that while household tasks were handled equitably (with the men still doing the dirty jobs, the heavy lifting) yet men were doing most of the strategizing, they would be damned. Let's face it, there are some women that will never be happy/content. Their natural state is to be discontented and NOTHING under the earth can be done to alter this matter. Just accept this as a truism of life.

    Replies: @SFG, @Hannah Katz, @AnotherDad, @Joe862

    Women need to be told to want something that will make them happy. That way they’ll want it and when they get it have a chance to be happy. Now they’re told to want a big career, and those big careers seldom make them happy. So they’re miserable but too stupid or dishonest to assess the situation accurately. And they fall back on blaming men. boo hoo.

    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it’s exclusively hers. I’ve tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Joe862


    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it’s exclusively hers. I’ve tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.
     
    All I want is 1 ft. of shelf space here and there, but the stuff comes baaackkk! That's what man-caves are for, too.

    You reminded me of an adorable thing an ex-girlfriend did when we were together. One thing we had in common was being organized, as that's good for one's mental state. She had kids, and one time, when her minvan's floor was filled with toys and other stuff, she had enough and started hiking them all out the side door onto the driveway.
    , @Old Prude
    @Joe862

    The house IS hers, if you want to keep the peace. Be content with the basement and the garage.

    Replies: @Joe862

  186. @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123


    White men interracially marry more often than White women.
     
    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal's children aren't seen as white at all.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal’s children aren’t seen as white at all.

    You are focusing on the women.

    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don’t come out that big.

    Of course this shouldn’t matter but public schools are rough places and White women can be harsh on short guys. White women aren’t as picky about looks or money as depicted on the internet but a majority of them will pass on short guys. Harsh but true.

    White men should think more about offspring rather than what gets them off.

    Asian women can also get bitchy once they have children. White women will normally even out a bit but Asian women put all their focus on the kids and badger the husband. You also have to put up with the family dinners which are boring as hell. You will want to stab yourself in the eyes while sitting there pretending to care about what Grandma Chang has to say. I dated an Asian woman for a while and went right back to White women.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @John Johnson

    Yes, such a neglected truth.

    Boys take after their mothers physically and temperamentally. What's comfortable for a man isn't always good for his progeny.

    You want a soft, willowy demure wife? In that case your son is highly unlikely to be a champion. Ever see NFL moms cheering their sons from the sidelines? These are not women you'd want to have to deal with in a domestic dispute, if you know what I mean...

    My childhood friend and co-athlete's kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!

    Their kid got #1 NBA pick:

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-06-23/paolo-banchero-college-basketball-stats-best-moments-quotes-duke

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don’t come out that big.
     
    Meet Nathan Adrian, five-time Olympic gold medal winner in swimming.

    https://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/20150608_SMM_raw_2012_08_05_10986.jpg

    https://starsunfolded.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Adrian-Family.jpg

    https://playersbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Nathan-Adrian-family.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson

  187. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    Let Bob Weir and John Perry Barlow (with help from Jerry) explain:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOia2aKUHU

    Check out when Bobby wants Jerry to end the solo by ~05:15, and he finally just yells out "Hey!" or whatever at 05:35. See, you can't do that at Classical recitals.

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

    I think at some later date the guitarist apologized to fans of Jerry.

  188. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ron Mexico

    For free?!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Only if you found a way to include Hunter Biden. Be creative.

  189. @Andy
    Completely off-topic, there seems to be some sort of brouhaha that a German museum gives back an African statue to the nation of Cameroon. Here are the details, where you can see what appears to be the highlight of Subsaharan Africa's art:

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/spotlight-on-germany-s-colonial-past-when-can-ngonnso-return-home-a-a2ab356d-538f-4ae7-b452-82060382e2c7


    https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/6b2182cd-e808-432f-9efb-6c0f4fe30da1_w996_r1.6396242527754057_fpx49_fpy40.webp

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paco Wové

    It’s Lori Lightfoot’s grandma

  190. @Luddite in Chief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I don’t exactly know what that blonde fixes, as I’ve never heard the term.
     
    Simple put, a fixer is someone who can arrange ("fix") anything you need. Looking for a hot date? A fixer can arrange it. Got a member of the awkward squad clogging up your life? A fixer can arrange for their sudden disappearance.

    In short, if you have a need, a fixer can fulfill it (for the right price, of course).

    The best example of a fixer I know of is the crooked mayor (played by Clarence Kolb) in His Girl Friday (1940) with Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell.

    (If you are not familiar with the film, trust me, it repays a viewing.)

    The scene you want to look for is two-thirds of the way into the film. It's the one where a messenger shows up with a rather inconvenient pardon and the mayor contrives to get rid of him so he will stay of the way until it is too late.

    That is "fixing."

    (Oh, and: that woman in the picture from The Daily Mail? That is some idiot SJW's idea of what a fixer should look like. Like most ideas SJWs have, it bears no connection to reality whatever. The DM has a mostly female readership, which is why it can indulge in such fantasies without losing subscribers.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Winston Wolf, fixer.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Always was weirded out that Julia Sweeney was in this scene. Was the only part of the film that took me out the movie. She was already pretty known from SNL (she was Pat) and she doesn't do much acting here, seems like a role she just got 5 minutes before and did poorly. But at least Keitel is implied to have banged her.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  191. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Modern art" is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, ...

    Many Picasso's work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, ...

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    all of Miro

    The 1992 Olympic figures inspired by Miró were actually quite cute. The mascots Cobi and Petra were adapted from Picasso, and an improvement.

    These 20th-century schools of art were at their best at play. Fast-food architecture was at its peak.

  192. @jejej
    @Bill P

    Congratulations that indeed sounds quite nice.

    Society has normalized moms having a larger influence on their sons than dads and that is a terrible thing.

    Obviously infants and toddlers should have more to do with their mom than their dad but from the age of 4 a boy should start feeling aspirational toward being like his daddy.

    And a 10 year old boy with a clingy mother is in a bad situation.

    Unfortunately it's very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I assume that daughters are easier. You can let your wife handle the kid's drama and just accept that What Will Be Will Be. Men aren't supposed to be raising their girls in the first place. But co-raising boys with their mother is a quandry.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @John Johnson, @Bill P

    Ok, I can’t really tell you how to handle women to your satisfaction, but I can tell you how to deal with them without getting steamrolled.

    First, take them at their word. Men don’t take women seriously at their own peril. Women can be remarkably candid, but men often think “she’s just saying crazy stuff” when she’s quite serious.

    Secondly, hold them to their own standards. If she demands such and such from you, demand the same from her.

    Thirdly, give them the respect they deserve. If they earn respect, give it to them; if not, don’t give them respect.

    Finally, hold them accountable for breaking rules. If they break the law they should be punished just the same as men who do so.

    How does this look in practice?

    Say a woman says “if you ever raise a hand against me you’ll be in jail before you know what hit you!”

    Fair enough. You take her at her word, apply the same standard to her, and demand she follow the law. So if she raises a hand against you, put her ass in jail.

    Another example is if she says “if you ever cheat on me I’m going to divorce you and take half your stuff.” OK then, if she cheats you divorce her and take half the stuff. Some guys might say “but I paid all the bills, why should I give up half my stuff?” Hey, she was going to spend more than half of what you make anyway, so no real loss. Do you really want to be working for some ungrateful adulteress anyway?

    American women always assume they’re going to land on their feet no matter what. You should assume the same about both them and yourself. Don’t worry about her — if she’s treating you like crap she’s already got a plan to flush you down the toilet and thrive. Give her the benefit of the doubt and push the lever yourself. She’ll be fine.

    But your kids are a different matter. They never asked for these parents, so try to give them at least one good one. All the crap you put up with — it’s for them. That love they have for you is grace. The love you have for them is redemption. It’s how God (or whatever you want to call it “You know, The THING!”) saves us miserable reprobates from ourselves.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Bill P

    Wow! Advise from a man who doesn't have a woman. What a treasure. It's a keeper boys!

    She left you with your advise?

    Replies: @Bill P

  193. @TWS
    @Reg Cæsar

    Christ I wouldn't let most of them in my house.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ☦️ I wouldn’t let most of them in my house.

    Being modern Brits, they probably cuss a blue streak as well.

    • LOL: TWS
  194. @ic1000
    @Barnard

    > The Atlantic should add a comedy section and publish these interviews.

    Back when the Atlantic was a magazine, aspired to publishing intellectual articles, and I subscribed, I would’ve skipped this piece after the first few unpromising paragraphs.

    The interviewee doesn’t claim expertise in marital happiness or child-raising effectiveness; neither she nor the reporter can imagine that wise readers value these more than gendrification.

    So, comedy. After a fashion.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    We are having this long iSteve-ie discussion about whether men pitch in enough with housework.

    Waaaiiit!

    We are having this long iSteve-ie discussion about whether men pitch in enough with housework that appears in The Atlantic?

    This like how I would read a post on iSteve about the gender divide that I thought was both subversive and somehow thought provoking. Then I would see it was posted by “Whiskey.”

    Never mind!

    • LOL: ic1000
  195. @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal’s children aren’t seen as white at all.

    You are focusing on the women.

    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don't come out that big.

    Of course this shouldn't matter but public schools are rough places and White women can be harsh on short guys. White women aren't as picky about looks or money as depicted on the internet but a majority of them will pass on short guys. Harsh but true.

    White men should think more about offspring rather than what gets them off.

    Asian women can also get bitchy once they have children. White women will normally even out a bit but Asian women put all their focus on the kids and badger the husband. You also have to put up with the family dinners which are boring as hell. You will want to stab yourself in the eyes while sitting there pretending to care about what Grandma Chang has to say. I dated an Asian woman for a while and went right back to White women.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

    Yes, such a neglected truth.

    Boys take after their mothers physically and temperamentally. What’s comfortable for a man isn’t always good for his progeny.

    You want a soft, willowy demure wife? In that case your son is highly unlikely to be a champion. Ever see NFL moms cheering their sons from the sidelines? These are not women you’d want to have to deal with in a domestic dispute, if you know what I mean…

    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!

    Their kid got #1 NBA pick:

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-06-23/paolo-banchero-college-basketball-stats-best-moments-quotes-duke

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Bill P


    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!
     
    Sorry Bill, I did the quick searching and this does not look like "winning" to me.

    Your childhood friend is a reasonably handsome, white, Italian guy. And his kid is a fairly ugly black kid, who takes after his mom and whose life accomplishment is playing basketball very well. And ... you've added to your life all the joy of the whiny minoritarian bitch train:
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/seattle-families-of-color-the-talk-police-race/281-045dce08-3ead-4047-9f6a-ecc43ec72b88

    I'm not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci, but considering his stature, looks, athletic prowess--presumably some level of intelligence--I'd think he could easily have found a many eager and intelligent UW coeds or Italian girls and have had a happier, more pleasant family life with some kids who are "run of the mill" attractive, intelligent college students working toward becoming productive citizens.

    While I agree the physical characteristics of the woman--including height, build--are a relevant factor a guy should consider screening for the "mother of my children" position, I don't think you are convincing any white guys who've "gone Asian" with this example.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

  196. Back to America’s specialty, distaff bossyness, what’s going on between Kam and Karen?

    Analysis: Kamala Harris Is a ‘Petty Ass Bitch’
    Kamala Harris pulls the ladder up on Karen Bass

    “You go, girl! Away!”

    Or, for us…

    [MORE]

    “Let’s go, Brandon Petty Ass Bitch!”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Democrats who pushed this pathetic pick on Biden really saddled the party with a conundrum.

    For Biden, of course, it is great--in the sense of less pressure to not run again. But even there, wouldn't Biden's "legacy" have been better if he'd walked off instead of losing?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hmm, If Kamala doesn't want to have another Detroit or Baltimore in California, she is a Petty Ass Bitch? She is from Oakland; She knows what happens to a city with a black Mayor. Exhibit 1: San Francisco mayor. Make LA into Southern SF just so another black woman can climb up the ladder? I would think Kamala is a smart woman to recognize most blacks are not leadership material. I would say it is an act of supreme non-Racism when you recognize that someone from your race is no good and someone from another race is good for the society.

    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”

    ― Martin Luther

    Replies: @epebble

  197. @Clyde
    @Brutusale

    Good link, but this white couple is wearing some Tongan garb. And in Tonga some of the men's garb is dress like, and sometimes trousers. But he does look like a housework enthusiast. In my book, vacuuming is what men want to dodge the most. Washing dishes isn't too onerous.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    In my book, vacuuming is what men want to dodge the most.

    Interesting. If I ever do have to do any cleaning (which fortunately is not often at all, as Mrs C and I have a live-in domestic helper), vacuuming (and general floor cleaning work) is something I don’t mind. It seems to me to be the closest analogue to mowing, which I love doing.

    I hate doing laundry.

  198. @Tex
    OT: NATO is increasing its rapid reaction force from 40,000 to 300,000 while Sweden and Finland are taking steps to join the alliance.

    Stoltenberg said he expects allies to make clear they consider Russia “as the most significant and direct threat to our security.” At the summit, allies will also decide to strengthen their battlegroups on NATO’s eastern flanks, he said.
     
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-politics-jens-stoltenberg-madrid-de99d66f04764cf598fd2dc941b6c6bb

    Who's up for a group read of The Guns of August? Also, where's an Austrian archduke when you need him?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    This whole year has been one long pre-apocalyptic clusterf**k. The specter of the mushroom cloud hangs over everything.

    Actually, this whole *decade* (thus far) has been one long pre-apocalypstic clusterf**k.

    Hell, this whole *century* (thus far) has been one long pre-apocalyptic clusterf**k.

    These are interesting times, indeed.

  199. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Modern art" is mostly crap.

    IMNSHO, permanent works, that will survive, are some pieces of Dali, Picasso, Malevich, Klee, de Chirico, Delaunay, Modigliani, Rouault, Chagall, Schiele, Vlaminck, Kandinsky, ...

    Many Picasso's work are dull & marginal, as are most of Matisse & all of Miro (infantile, retarded) & Leger (mechanical idiocy) , Pollock, Mondrian, ...

    Basquiat is simply garbage.

    Compared to embarrassment of riches we got from van Eyck to Goya, they seem, the best of them, like truly gifted artists gone astray because a nihilist aesthetics of experimentation at all costs & dissolution of form disfigured their world-view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James J. O'Meara, @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    Mostly agree with your assessment of modern artists. But I do like Mondrian and I’m one of those people who finds Rothko’s work deeply affecting, I have no idea why.

  200. @Bill P
    @John Johnson

    Yes, such a neglected truth.

    Boys take after their mothers physically and temperamentally. What's comfortable for a man isn't always good for his progeny.

    You want a soft, willowy demure wife? In that case your son is highly unlikely to be a champion. Ever see NFL moms cheering their sons from the sidelines? These are not women you'd want to have to deal with in a domestic dispute, if you know what I mean...

    My childhood friend and co-athlete's kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!

    Their kid got #1 NBA pick:

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-06-23/paolo-banchero-college-basketball-stats-best-moments-quotes-duke

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!

    Sorry Bill, I did the quick searching and this does not look like “winning” to me.

    Your childhood friend is a reasonably handsome, white, Italian guy. And his kid is a fairly ugly black kid, who takes after his mom and whose life accomplishment is playing basketball very well. And … you’ve added to your life all the joy of the whiny minoritarian bitch train:
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/seattle-families-of-color-the-talk-police-race/281-045dce08-3ead-4047-9f6a-ecc43ec72b88

    I’m not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci, but considering his stature, looks, athletic prowess–presumably some level of intelligence–I’d think he could easily have found a many eager and intelligent UW coeds or Italian girls and have had a happier, more pleasant family life with some kids who are “run of the mill” attractive, intelligent college students working toward becoming productive citizens.

    While I agree the physical characteristics of the woman–including height, build–are a relevant factor a guy should consider screening for the “mother of my children” position, I don’t think you are convincing any white guys who’ve “gone Asian” with this example.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @AnotherDad

    Hey, if Mario wanted to marry a black women's basketball star, that's his choice. His marriage seems to be going well -- better than mine did. I'm sure he loves his kids and is proud of them.

    Really, the point was all about your wife having a big influence on how your kids turn out. Mario was big into sports. I'm sure he admired Rhonda for her talents. He's probably thrilled that his kid is #1. Without her, would his kid be so good at basketball? No way!

    I say good for him. He got what he wanted -- what more can we ask for?

    I've got other priorities, as do you, but he gets to have his priorities too, right? Frankly I'm happy for the boy I remember from my old neighborhood. It's nice to hear a good story considering some of the tragedies that befell some of my other friends from our team.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    I’m not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci...
     
    That would be little better than landing Monica Lewinski:

    "In 2009, Bellucci signed a petition in support of director Roman Polanski..."


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Bellucci#Personal_life

    "In 2004, Bellucci posed nude for the Italian Vanity Fair Magazine while pregnant in protest against Italian laws that allow only married couples to use in-vitro fertilization and not donor sperm."

    https://fr.ign.com/monica-bellucci


    Monica Bellucci in Italian Vanity Fair Causing a Stink with the Vatican

    Vatican upset over Bellucci


     

    This is the kind of thing she's supporting:


    Sperm donor with 150 kids fathers six more as lockdown 'hasn't slowed me down'

    , @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    Bill P,
    You sound like a nice man, and I wish you well. I have female friends who are divorced but are no harpies.. I sometimes think the harpies remarry and the good ones stay at home or are found by hardened divorced guys who use them as long as they’re pleasant and tick all the boxes. Love should be made of sterner stuff, but perhaps love is not what people look for after forty.

    I don’t have an answer. As far as I can see, divorce is THE social contagion problem of the last 70 years. The know-how to profitably work the land can be lost -within a family- in one generation. You know, the children chose engineering instead of cattle-breeding. It is not really something you wholly learn in Texas A&M.. it is an instinct, it is born of observation and very empirical.. perhaps the capacity to sustain fruitful marriages is like that.. and we have lost it, and have become unmotivated.

    Talk about a vale of tears.

  201. @Reg Cæsar
    Back to America's specialty, distaff bossyness, what's going on between Kam and Karen?


    Analysis: Kamala Harris Is a ‘Petty Ass Bitch’
    Kamala Harris pulls the ladder up on Karen Bass

    "You go, girl! Away!"

    Or, for us...


    "Let's go, Brandon Petty Ass Bitch!"

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @epebble

    The Democrats who pushed this pathetic pick on Biden really saddled the party with a conundrum.

    For Biden, of course, it is great–in the sense of less pressure to not run again. But even there, wouldn’t Biden’s “legacy” have been better if he’d walked off instead of losing?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    The Democrats who pushed this pathetic pick on Biden really saddled the party with a conundrum.
     
    Biden himself was a "pathetic pick". So it's a good match.

    Evidently the party no longer has any Mondales or Bentsens to add heft to a weak ticket. If she's there for "balance", it leads one to wonder whither the center of gravity has shifted.
  202. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Luddite in Chief

    I will look for that movie, LiC, so thanks for that too.

    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won't see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant ...

    Replies: @Luddite in Chief, @Mr Mox

    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …

    Not nearly as brilliant as this shirt that actually takes advantage of the phenomenon of Builder’s Bum (as we call it):

    Best of all, it was done using a German political leader (the text reads, “more attractive than you think”). Who says the Germans have no sense of humour?

    (I cannot quite decide if that picture is genuinely funny or merely tasteless.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Luddite in Chief

    Can't funny and tasteless go together?

    What I don't know is how faked the photo is. LOL, anyway.

  203. @AnotherDad
    @Bill P


    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!
     
    Sorry Bill, I did the quick searching and this does not look like "winning" to me.

    Your childhood friend is a reasonably handsome, white, Italian guy. And his kid is a fairly ugly black kid, who takes after his mom and whose life accomplishment is playing basketball very well. And ... you've added to your life all the joy of the whiny minoritarian bitch train:
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/seattle-families-of-color-the-talk-police-race/281-045dce08-3ead-4047-9f6a-ecc43ec72b88

    I'm not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci, but considering his stature, looks, athletic prowess--presumably some level of intelligence--I'd think he could easily have found a many eager and intelligent UW coeds or Italian girls and have had a happier, more pleasant family life with some kids who are "run of the mill" attractive, intelligent college students working toward becoming productive citizens.

    While I agree the physical characteristics of the woman--including height, build--are a relevant factor a guy should consider screening for the "mother of my children" position, I don't think you are convincing any white guys who've "gone Asian" with this example.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Hey, if Mario wanted to marry a black women’s basketball star, that’s his choice. His marriage seems to be going well — better than mine did. I’m sure he loves his kids and is proud of them.

    Really, the point was all about your wife having a big influence on how your kids turn out. Mario was big into sports. I’m sure he admired Rhonda for her talents. He’s probably thrilled that his kid is #1. Without her, would his kid be so good at basketball? No way!

    I say good for him. He got what he wanted — what more can we ask for?

    I’ve got other priorities, as do you, but he gets to have his priorities too, right? Frankly I’m happy for the boy I remember from my old neighborhood. It’s nice to hear a good story considering some of the tragedies that befell some of my other friends from our team.

  204. @Stan Adams
    @Spect3r

    Yeah.

    MGTOW = happy incel. (Or volcel, if you prefer.)

    I grew up in a family full of neurotic, controlling, manipulative women. My grandfather kept my grandmother on a tight leash but once he died there was no adult supervision.

    Growing up, my mother was always the least-favored of three siblings. She was the eldest and she resented the fact that my aunt was always the cute little baby who could do no wrong. Even now my mother still complains bitterly about a childhood incident where my grandmother took away one of my mother’s Christmas presents and gave it to my aunt after my aunt threw a tantrum.

    My mother also has this weird obsession with an incident that occurred after she graduated college. Supposedly my aunt (who had major substance-abuse issues) got really high and tried to hire some guy to kill my mother. My aunt swears that she has no recollection of it.

    My mother basically admitted once that her main reason for having me was to solidify her relationship with her parents. Once they had a granddaughter (my cousin) they wanted a grandson and my mother gave them one.

    (My cousin was conceived with much difficulty - my uncle was practically infertile. My parents had no such issues. Indeed, the only reason they ended up together is that he knocked her up. She had a miscarriage shortly after the wedding but they stayed together for four years. Their marriage was crumbling when I was conceived and was over by the time I was born.)

    My cousin and I spent so much time together - every weekend, pretty much - that we were almost like siblings. My grandparents bent over backwards to avoid favoring one over the other. In childhood I probably had the slight edge - I didn’t have a father and my grandfather took a special interest in me. But we were both spoiled rotten. We had our occasional petty rivalries and stupid arguments but overall we got along very well.

    My mother was shameless in using me to try to get what she wanted out of them. My grandfather resisted but once he was gone I found that I could sweet-talk my grandmother into giving me just about anything. So my mother strong-armed me into sweet-talking my grandmother to get what she wanted.

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pixo, @jejej

    MGTOW generally have too high standards. Vanity is a sin, you should overcome yours. Best dating app right now is Bumble.

  205. @AnotherDad
    @Bill P


    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!
     
    Sorry Bill, I did the quick searching and this does not look like "winning" to me.

    Your childhood friend is a reasonably handsome, white, Italian guy. And his kid is a fairly ugly black kid, who takes after his mom and whose life accomplishment is playing basketball very well. And ... you've added to your life all the joy of the whiny minoritarian bitch train:
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/seattle-families-of-color-the-talk-police-race/281-045dce08-3ead-4047-9f6a-ecc43ec72b88

    I'm not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci, but considering his stature, looks, athletic prowess--presumably some level of intelligence--I'd think he could easily have found a many eager and intelligent UW coeds or Italian girls and have had a happier, more pleasant family life with some kids who are "run of the mill" attractive, intelligent college students working toward becoming productive citizens.

    While I agree the physical characteristics of the woman--including height, build--are a relevant factor a guy should consider screening for the "mother of my children" position, I don't think you are convincing any white guys who've "gone Asian" with this example.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    I’m not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci…

    That would be little better than landing Monica Lewinski:

    “In 2009, Bellucci signed a petition in support of director Roman Polanski…”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Bellucci#Personal_life

    “In 2004, Bellucci posed nude for the Italian Vanity Fair Magazine while pregnant in protest against Italian laws that allow only married couples to use in-vitro fertilization and not donor sperm.”

    https://fr.ign.com/monica-bellucci

    Monica Bellucci in Italian Vanity Fair Causing a Stink with the Vatican

    Vatican upset over Bellucci

    This is the kind of thing she’s supporting:

    Sperm donor with 150 kids fathers six more as lockdown ‘hasn’t slowed me down’

  206. @Reg Cæsar
    Back to America's specialty, distaff bossyness, what's going on between Kam and Karen?


    Analysis: Kamala Harris Is a ‘Petty Ass Bitch’
    Kamala Harris pulls the ladder up on Karen Bass

    "You go, girl! Away!"

    Or, for us...


    "Let's go, Brandon Petty Ass Bitch!"

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @epebble

    Hmm, If Kamala doesn’t want to have another Detroit or Baltimore in California, she is a Petty Ass Bitch? She is from Oakland; She knows what happens to a city with a black Mayor. Exhibit 1: San Francisco mayor. Make LA into Southern SF just so another black woman can climb up the ladder? I would think Kamala is a smart woman to recognize most blacks are not leadership material. I would say it is an act of supreme non-Racism when you recognize that someone from your race is no good and someone from another race is good for the society.

    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”

    ― Martin Luther

    • Replies: @epebble
    @epebble

    The Headline Los Angeles Should not Aspire for and why it needs to keep Karen Bass away.

    New Orleans could become murder capital of US under Mayor LaToya Cantrell
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-orleans-could-become-murder-capital-of-us-under-mayor-latoya-cantrell/ar-AAZ5NnW

  207. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Democrats who pushed this pathetic pick on Biden really saddled the party with a conundrum.

    For Biden, of course, it is great--in the sense of less pressure to not run again. But even there, wouldn't Biden's "legacy" have been better if he'd walked off instead of losing?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Democrats who pushed this pathetic pick on Biden really saddled the party with a conundrum.

    Biden himself was a “pathetic pick”. So it’s a good match.

    Evidently the party no longer has any Mondales or Bentsens to add heft to a weak ticket. If she’s there for “balance”, it leads one to wonder whither the center of gravity has shifted.

  208. @Thomm
    @R.G. Camara


    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.
     
    They can't stand that men can be happy with so little.

    This is why Rosie panics at the very notion of more young men deciding to avoid the risks of modern marriage laws or otherwise deciding to work less than 70 hours/week, simply because those men aren't working to pay for things women want for free via the government. Rosie's only 'argument' is that 'these men don't realize they will be lonely when they are older!'. So she doesn't want them to have autonomy on their own life decisions, even though she openly is only about her interests, not theirs - they are just cattle to her.

    Note that Rosie never appears on threads like this one, since the men who could shellack her with the most style all aggregate on threads like this.


    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs’ widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.
     
    An important point. The Jobs estate and foundation is worth much more today than it was when Steve Jobs breathed his last on account of Apple's stock price gains since then, and he certainly would not have been 'woke' if alive today.

    That his lunatic widow has so much in the way of resources at her disposal to push the worst stupidities is one of the great tragedies of our age.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Rosie’s only ‘argument’ is that ‘these men don’t realize they will be lonely when they are older!’.

    I just turned 66. I found when I became older that loneliness is not an issue because there is a surplus rather than shortage of women at my age. Statistically, a higher percentage of women are married under the age of 45 but after 45 a higher percentage of men are married. Attractive young women have taken some of the older successful men and men die younger so there are not enough older men to go around for all the older women.

    So, if I want to, I could find someone. Many older women, though, have a lifetime of bad choices behind them and have multiple health, financial and family relationship issues in their old age. It’s best not to commit to a serious relationship with them because then their problems become my problems. It’s really women who need to find someone when they are young. Many guys my age in a relationship are only in it because a female lured them into the relationship back when she was young and attractive, and the men are still in it out of habit or because they formed an emotional attachment to her after being with her for so many years.

    • Agree: Bill Jones, R.G. Camara
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Mark G.

    I have noticed, even among U.S. people who are not particularly well off, they engage in serial marriage, just like Hollywood stars, and well into late middle-age.

    For the men, the motive seems to be a terrible fear of being called 'faggots' if single, money for the women.

    U.S. statistics are often collected on the same principle, counting any man not currently married as homosexual. Weird!

  209. @Paul Mendez
    @R.G. Camara

    Glad to see you back to commenting on things you know about, Argie. Keep it up.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Mendie! Still mad you tried to lie and coverup that auto dealerships are money launderers? Man, poor Menie, he must own a dealership and doesn’t want to get caught.

    https://www.autodealertodaymagazine.com/365506/7-warning-signs-of-money-laundering-at-your-dealership

    https://sumsub.com/blog/money-laundering-vehicles/

  210. Feminists don’t want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80’s), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    I never go to my college reunions because the women are ugly as shit and the men are hen-pecked skinny shit dudes who ARE SO EWWWW. None of them are fun to hang around with, and like, have a serious drink with (the women are quick to say “I don’t drink”) so, I stopped going to my Privileged, Eastcoast, Private Uni reunions because they were so fucking BORING.

    I never wanted to go there/Uni on the East Coast. I got into UCSB but my dad was ill and did not want me to be so far away. History is cruel and sweet at the same time.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Lagertha

    Feminists don’t want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80’s), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    Women are terrible at hobbies. When they get older they sit around and fret.

    If they don't have a family then they go bonkers.

    Society would be better off admitting this and stop encouraging women to get all these social science and humanities degrees.

    College is good but not when most degrees are 4-6 years of White guilt and debt.

    Where I used to work we would sometimes higher office assistants. It really is a job for someone with a 2 year degree. Low paying and it is assumed your husband has a job with benefits. If you put out an ad for an office assistant you would get like 100 applications from college educated White women and at least a quarter would have a masters degree.

    Modern Western society is so f-cking stupid. We literally spend billions to make White women bitter and load them up with debt. They come out of college believing that "the man" held back Wakanda and then they learn that a cushy $80k job isn't waiting for them. The bitterness has a negative impact on male/female relationships. They really believe that everything would be better if not for White men. Someone else would have invented air conditioning and tampons if White men didn't impose their cruelty on everyone. They really believe this. The Zulu would have created television for them.

    I am happily married but I don't delude myself about female nature. They aren't men with boobs and society needs to recognize that. Currently society is trying to pretend that women are actually men and and men are just assholes.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

    , @Lagertha
    @Lagertha

    you are a treasure!

  211. @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams


    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.
     
    You have a very southern flavor with your anecdotes.

    That is, no matter what the thread topic is, you have a skilled way of turning the attention back to you, and the anecdotes are tragicomic featuring you as the protagonist, being agitated in a washtub full of crazy-ass bitches.

    Bitter nostalgia will ensure you remain a self-deluding, tired, bitter fat fuck.

    Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy. It’ll take you a loooooong time to consistently generate an authentic feeling of gratitude, but it’s worth the work. It beats what you are now.

    Only your narcissism will try to tell you otherwise.

    Stop marking time, get a trained cognitive therapist, and get to work on yourself. Spare us the "Long Day's Journey into Night – Trailer Trash Version" narratives, and spend that time actively bettering yourself. It’s work. At first you’ll fail. But it’s better than you endlessly upchucking your self-satisfied hard luck stories here. Everybody's got some. You think we really need to hear your special brand of stupid shit?

    And yeah. I’m Protestant. 😇

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Kylie

    Thanks. I need a good kick in the ass every now and then. 😀

    I’m definitely a narcissist. Might as well add “attention whore” to the list, as well

    Honesty is always appreciated.

  212. @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow.

    A quarter of Black men out-marry.

    Thirty six percent of Asian women out-marry.

    I didn't realize abortion rates were so high.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    That data is for newlyweds. So if you include individuals who are already married, the numbers are substantially lower. You also have to factor in that different races have different marriage rates.

    Here’s some more interesting data.

    I didn’t realize abortion rates were so high.

    The data was from NYC.

    Here’s some nationally representative data.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm#T6_down

    Abortion rate per 1,000 women aged 15–44 (By ethnicity in the year 2019).

    White: 6.6
    Black: 23.8
    Hispanic: 11.7
    “Other” (Asian and Native American): 13.0
    All races: 11.4

    This implies that abortion cuts the White fertility rate by 0.198.
    This implies that abortion cuts the Black fertility rate by 0.714.
    This implies that abortion cuts the Hispanic fertility rate by 0.351
    This implies that abortion cuts the “Other” (Asian and Native American) fertility rate by 0.39.
    This implies that abortion cuts the national fertility rate by 0.342.

  213. @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams


    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.
     
    You have a very southern flavor with your anecdotes.

    That is, no matter what the thread topic is, you have a skilled way of turning the attention back to you, and the anecdotes are tragicomic featuring you as the protagonist, being agitated in a washtub full of crazy-ass bitches.

    Bitter nostalgia will ensure you remain a self-deluding, tired, bitter fat fuck.

    Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy. It’ll take you a loooooong time to consistently generate an authentic feeling of gratitude, but it’s worth the work. It beats what you are now.

    Only your narcissism will try to tell you otherwise.

    Stop marking time, get a trained cognitive therapist, and get to work on yourself. Spare us the "Long Day's Journey into Night – Trailer Trash Version" narratives, and spend that time actively bettering yourself. It’s work. At first you’ll fail. But it’s better than you endlessly upchucking your self-satisfied hard luck stories here. Everybody's got some. You think we really need to hear your special brand of stupid shit?

    And yeah. I’m Protestant. 😇

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Kylie

    And, since you do respect me enough to tell me off, I’ll add this:

    I’m fully aware that I’ve become something of a troll on this site. I didn’t set out to become one but it just sort of happened. I really don’t have anything meaningful to contribute aside from an occasional Hunter Biden joke.

    And I do believe that this site is important. Steve’s work is important. I owe it to everyone here to stop getting in the way.

    So Stan Adams is going on hiatus. I know I’ve said that before but this time I really do feel as if I’ve blown my wad and worn out my welcome. I was just waiting for someone to say it, and you did.

    So thank you, Anon945. And thank you to everyone here who has put up with my constant digressions. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    And thank you, Steve, for all that you do.

    Good night, and good luck. I’ll see you along the trail.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    Ah, never mind. I'm too addicted to the occasional dopamine hits I get from commenting here to be able to quit. You know it and I know it.

    I only comment on a couple of sites. This is the one that gets my best material. I'm not as raunchy here as I'd like to be.

    I don't know if anybody has picked up on this, but in a way I am actively seeking ridicule. I am intentionally humiliating myself by exposing all of my flaws to everyone. No doubt there are plenty of ugly guys on this site but I'm the only one who admits openly that I'm fat, that I have a little wee-wee, that I have bad teeth, etc. Anon945 says I make myself the hero of all of my stories, but I'm more of an anti-hero.

    The other day I took a picture of myself shirtless and made it into a crappy little meme. I posted the comment but Steve didn't approve it. He did me a favor, no doubt. But let the record show that I was prepared to deal with whatever ridicule that people were ready to throw at me.

    I live with my mother. I don't like to admit that because it makes me seem like a loser. Scratch that - it doesn't make me seem like a loser - it makes me a loser, period.

    But there is one nice thing about living with her. I have power over her. She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn't want to be alone. That gives me leverage. I can treat her like dog shit and she'll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap.

    I had power over my grandmother in the same way. But I had more respect for my grandmother than I have for my mother.

    I'm not a mama's boy. I can't stand to be around her. I don't even like to look at her. To me she looks hideous. Even when she was younger and thinner she looked ugly (IMO). It pains me to think that half of my genes came from her.

    When I look at pictures of my father and my mother together I wonder what the hell he was thinking. The only thing I can think of is that his own mother looked kind of fat and dumpy, and when he met my mother he was still recovering from her death. Maybe he was looking for a maternal figure.

    You know how they say that you should always find someone who loves you more than you love them, because that way you'll have all the leverage? I have that kind of leverage with my mother. I don't think I'll ever have it with anyone else.

    And I don't want to be the needier partner in a relationship. I don't want to feel that I owe some bitch my devotion because she deigned to open her legs for me. I'd rather be alone. Being alone sucks sometimes but being chained to someone else would suck even more.

    Anon945 does have a point - my constant kvetching about my life is boring, irrelevant, and counterproductive. I get that. And quite frankly even I'm tired of it at this point. So it would be a good idea for me to shut up about myself.

    (Of course, just because it's a good idea doesn't mean I'm going to have the discipline to do it...)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Kylie

  214. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Luddite in Chief

    I will look for that movie, LiC, so thanks for that too.

    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won't see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant ...

    Replies: @Luddite in Chief, @Mr Mox

    …you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …

    Close, but no cigar…

  215. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pixo

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-09.png




    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.
     
    Here's some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

    https://imgur.com/a/cKlGB1x

    https://imgur.com/a/bmv6CVE

    Replies: @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    Correct. In general, men are more liberal about where they’ll park. But the wives and children of *men* generally become part of the tribe–the man’s tribe. Not so with women.

    And, in the US white men are out marrying much, much, much more sensibly than white women.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    Correct. In general, men are more liberal about where they’ll park. But the wives and children of *men* generally become part of the tribe–the man’s tribe. Not so with women.

     

    In old times, yes. Back then, people had tight-knit extended families and lived within ethno-religious communities. So if you married a different race, you moved to your husband's community and assimilated to their norms. Your children grew up as members of a different tribe.

    In modern times, Americans live in atomized suburbs. Their children are shaped very much by entertainment (tv, music, movies, sports, video games), social media, schools, classmates, consumerism, and (when they get older) their workplaces. My experience is that in today's America, half-White kids mostly assimilate into mainstream American culture. This is true regardless of whether the father or mother is White.

    The exception is half-Black kids. They usually have a strong Black cultural identity. Many counter-assimilate and become hardcore Black.

    And, in the US white men are out marrying much, much, much more sensibly than white women.

     

    Define "sensibly."

    If we define "sensibly" as non-Black, here's the data.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    https://imgur.com/a/w7S2jpD

    Therefore, we can calculate that 0.36% of newly-married White men are partnered with a Black woman. 0.7% of newly-married White women are partnered with a Black man.

    A difference, but not hugely significant.
  216. @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    But not as distantly, so it evens out or better in the end. Many of the children of these white men fit right in. E.g., Phoebe Cates.

    Whereas Nicole and Orenthal’s children aren’t seen as white at all.

    You are focusing on the women.

    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don't come out that big.

    Of course this shouldn't matter but public schools are rough places and White women can be harsh on short guys. White women aren't as picky about looks or money as depicted on the internet but a majority of them will pass on short guys. Harsh but true.

    White men should think more about offspring rather than what gets them off.

    Asian women can also get bitchy once they have children. White women will normally even out a bit but Asian women put all their focus on the kids and badger the husband. You also have to put up with the family dinners which are boring as hell. You will want to stab yourself in the eyes while sitting there pretending to care about what Grandma Chang has to say. I dated an Asian woman for a while and went right back to White women.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don’t come out that big.

    Meet Nathan Adrian, five-time Olympic gold medal winner in swimming.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    That's true (in fact I knew a hyper-masculine violent-athlete hapa from a WMAF family) but I think John refers to the unfortunate episode when white losers took advantage of Asian women who were willing to marry anyone to be in the US, permanently staining the reputation of whites visiting Japan, and predictably cranking out miniature losers who sometimes became mass murderers.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    Anecdotal evidence.

    Asian women don't normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    Asians are more homogenized in general which means less of a dice roll.

    Half-Asian girls can be cute but the boys are more likely to be picked on.

    I grew up in a "good schools" area and I witnessed ruthless and bloody beatings. American public schools are a rough place and led by reality-denying liberal administrators. This really isn't a civilized country and I would advise against breeding with small Asian women for that reason. Like I said White men should consider the offspring more than what they find purdy or makes them feel masculine. Smaller White men often like Asian women since they make them feel bigger in comparison but they should really go the other direction if they want kids.

    I really don't get the appeal of Asian women anyways. I had a submissive Asian girlfriend and it creeped me out. Like a personal assistant that lies to you.

    Replies: @Joe862, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

  217. @Pixo
    @Twinkie

    “ the intermarriage rates of Asian women are dropping and intra-marriage rates have been increasing.”

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.

    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980:

    “ Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    While NE Asians do seem to be pulling away from non-hispanic whites in test scores and income, they tend to use this higher income to buy expensive real estate and schooling in high cost coastal areas that are population sinks.

    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Twinkie

    The intermarriage gender gap for US born asians has increased since 1980

    The composition of “Asians” in the US since the 1980’s has transformed dramatically as well. There were very few American-born South Asians in 1980 and even foreign-born South Asians were a very small fraction of the overall “Asian” population in the country.

    Indians alone are now the second largest Asian group in the U.S. and, within a generation or two, will likely be the largest fraction of “Asian-Americans.”

    I don’t think this is because of a change in relative Asian male status, but because of a numerically larger pool of Asian males to choose from, and a smaller pool of suitable and employed whites.

    It’s not “either or.” All those factors matter. Note that there isn’t just a larger pool of Asian males in the U.S. They are substantially higher status now, both socially and economically, than, say, in 1980. A part of the reason is that there are now many more American-born Asians who don’t follow their parents into running dry cleaners and corner grocery stores, but are doctors, lawyers, engineers, and army officers. Another reason is that immigrant Asians are increasingly very highly selected educationally and already come ready to join higher tiers of the workforce from the beginning (e.g. medicine, IT, etc.).

    And, yes, there has been a declining pool of “suitable and employed whites [males]” as you point out, but this simply means, again, that the relative socio-economic status of Asian males (vis-a-vis white males) in America has risen.

  218. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Pixo

    White men interracially marry more often than White women.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-09.png




    Asian women have the lowest fertility in the USA, and I bet NE Asians are lower still with the Asian average significantly boosted by Filipinas.
     
    Here's some interesting data.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/12/6182/htm

    https://imgur.com/a/cKlGB1x

    https://imgur.com/a/bmv6CVE

    Replies: @bomag, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    Thanks for the data. I am not surprised that Koreans have the lowest abortion rate among the groups you listed. They are the most Christian among that bunch (I’d like to see the numbers for the Filipinas in the U.S.).

    I knew that Indians had a high abortion rate, but I didn’t realize that their rate was so much higher compared to other Asian groups (their rate is comparable to that of Hispanics).

    They really are the New Jews (Jews may or may not have a high rate of abortion, but they are overwhelmingly the most pro-abortion group in the U.S.).

  219. @Stan Adams
    @Spect3r

    Yeah.

    MGTOW = happy incel. (Or volcel, if you prefer.)

    I grew up in a family full of neurotic, controlling, manipulative women. My grandfather kept my grandmother on a tight leash but once he died there was no adult supervision.

    Growing up, my mother was always the least-favored of three siblings. She was the eldest and she resented the fact that my aunt was always the cute little baby who could do no wrong. Even now my mother still complains bitterly about a childhood incident where my grandmother took away one of my mother’s Christmas presents and gave it to my aunt after my aunt threw a tantrum.

    My mother also has this weird obsession with an incident that occurred after she graduated college. Supposedly my aunt (who had major substance-abuse issues) got really high and tried to hire some guy to kill my mother. My aunt swears that she has no recollection of it.

    My mother basically admitted once that her main reason for having me was to solidify her relationship with her parents. Once they had a granddaughter (my cousin) they wanted a grandson and my mother gave them one.

    (My cousin was conceived with much difficulty - my uncle was practically infertile. My parents had no such issues. Indeed, the only reason they ended up together is that he knocked her up. She had a miscarriage shortly after the wedding but they stayed together for four years. Their marriage was crumbling when I was conceived and was over by the time I was born.)

    My cousin and I spent so much time together - every weekend, pretty much - that we were almost like siblings. My grandparents bent over backwards to avoid favoring one over the other. In childhood I probably had the slight edge - I didn’t have a father and my grandfather took a special interest in me. But we were both spoiled rotten. We had our occasional petty rivalries and stupid arguments but overall we got along very well.

    My mother was shameless in using me to try to get what she wanted out of them. My grandfather resisted but once he was gone I found that I could sweet-talk my grandmother into giving me just about anything. So my mother strong-armed me into sweet-talking my grandmother to get what she wanted.

    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pixo, @jejej

    H.L Mencken clarified the Eden metaphor quite aptly:

    “Woman is at once the serpent, the apple, and the stomach ache.”

    ========================================

    Also:

    “A bachelor is one who has learned the lesson of his brother’s punishment.”

    I don’t know how volcel you are and if that includes never having enjoyed the touch of a woman but most of us, most certainly myself included needed to get burned ourselves before the wisdom of Singlehood set in. Then again, the problem with the Tree of Knowledge isn’t just that it LOOKS good but that it’s quite addictive too.

    If experience or circumstance managed to make you a confirmed bachelor without having developed a taste for such “knowledge” you ought to count yourself fortunate.

    Most men are trapped and must lie to themselves and others about marriage as loudly as the religious must pray, to drown out the truths they must otherwise face in the depths of their soul.

    =========

    Finally from Mencken on this matter:

    “Women have a good deal more sober sense than men. But men would be just as sensible if there were no women.”

    ____________________________________

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @jejej

    My psychosexual development has been hampered by memories of traumatic childhood incidents … such as the day in second grade when this rather rotund girl jumped me on the playground and smothered me with kisses. She had been pursuing me for some time but I had resisted. I managed to extricate myself from her iron-clad grip only with extreme difficulty.

    By sheer coincidence our pictures were next to each other in the yearbook.

    Of course, it’s possible that my standards are too high. Perhaps I should have put a ring on her when I had the chance. What do you think?

    I’ve also included a picture of me as an aspiring musician. Based on her facial expression, my cousin’s friend was really into me at that particular moment. Yet another wasted opportunity…



    https://i.ibb.co/9T7MS1H/AEFFC22-B-4066-4-F03-821-E-533275-FB45-BF.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/pKWgC0Q/A04-C66-F2-83-D5-4-ABC-899-C-4-AFE30-CC4313.jpg

  220. @Old Prude
    @Bannon

    Bannon, that is sound advice for a long marriage. Cleaning the bathrooms is always a safe bet, and not too onerous if you have earbuds, a good podcast and a bourbon and coke.

    Replies: @jejej

    No need to waste coke-level money just to clean your own bathroom. The government is hamding out crack pipes for free!

  221. @anonymous
    Heh! I always helped with oil changes, tire changes and other stuff. We argued a lot on how to do things or the best way and I usually stormed off when HE would get loud. Then HE would come into the house from the garage and do his obligatory "Hon, Honey! Are you gonna help me with this?." But when it came to the dishes he would always like to come into the kitchen at about the last dish and ask me if I wanted him to do the dishes. It always got a chuckle out me. He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn't like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

    Replies: @David Jones, @Bill Jones, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    “He would buy the paint and I would paint the cabinets and then he wouldn’t like it! It was too bad you bought it.
    Men! Us women are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.”

    He complained about the color of the cabinets? That’s the problem right there. You married a woman.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  222. @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    “Wife-beating is frowned upon. That’s another thing.”

    You mean it’s illegal, as well as it should be.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Ummm. Corvo, sir, it is called “understatement”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    You made it seem that you support the hitting and kicking of wives by their husbands. Try to do better next time.

  223. @John Johnson
    @jejej

    Unfortunately it’s very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Tearing your son away from your overbearing wife? Good lord where do you guys live?

    Here in the country the women expect the men to take the sons fishing, camping, shooting, etc. They want their boys to grow up as men and not gender neutral soy boys.

    In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason.

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I guess not LOL.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @The Real World

    “In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason.”

    A few weeks ago a divorcee swung by the house with a problem. She had a nail in a tire and it was leaking air. She also had a 15-y.o. son sitting in the front seat, laying on his phone. She asked if I could help.

    “Sure, I can help. Son, put that phone down and change that tire.”

    Uninterested shrug. “I don’t know how.”

    “First thing, grab the owner’s manual from the glove box …”

    It took awhile, but he got it done and learned a life lesson.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    “First thing, grab the owner’s manual from the glove box …”

    It took awhile, but he got it done and learned a life lesson.

    And this is what dads are for.

    Teaching boys how to throw a ball, change a tire or work a job until it is done.

    Single moms teach boys to pick up a phone and call a service for help.

    They are basically raising them to call a man when you need something.

  224. @Cagey Beast
    @J.Ross

    Donald Trump is one half of a deep cover sabotage team brought together by the Soviets and now loyal to Russia. Proof? Here it is:

    https://twitter.com/DEMOCRATICHAWK/status/1542175514416529408?s=20&t=FAP4V7ib4VrSR3R9QFQfbg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He did that at the same time that he tulpæically had his psychic way with AOC, the absolute legend.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    He did that at the same time that he tulpæically had his psychic way with AOC, the absolute legend.
     
    Bernie Tulpin couldn't have said it better:

    Hold me closer, tulpamancer
    Count the headlights on the highway
    Lay me down in shih-tzu litter
    You had a ditzy day today




    https://planetpailly.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/jy03-my-muse-is-a-tulpa.jpg
  225. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don’t come out that big.
     
    Meet Nathan Adrian, five-time Olympic gold medal winner in swimming.

    https://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/20150608_SMM_raw_2012_08_05_10986.jpg

    https://starsunfolded.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Adrian-Family.jpg

    https://playersbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Nathan-Adrian-family.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson

    That’s true (in fact I knew a hyper-masculine violent-athlete hapa from a WMAF family) but I think John refers to the unfortunate episode when white losers took advantage of Asian women who were willing to marry anyone to be in the US, permanently staining the reputation of whites visiting Japan, and predictably cranking out miniature losers who sometimes became mass murderers.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @J.Ross


    who sometimes became mass murderers.
     
    Do you know more than one?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  226. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jon

    Is a Mangino a more masculine version of a mangina?

    Men should always take relationship advice from a lesbian ;-)

    Replies: @SFG

    I wouldn’t take relationship advice from a lesbian (though talking with my bi friends was funny…”the plus side of being with a woman is more feelings. The minus side is more feelings.”) The sex tips book was pretty good, though. You wade through a bunch of crap about goddess cycles but the extended discussion of female anatomy was quite useful.

  227. @Brutusale
    @Jon

    Her "man" looks like housework is no stranger.

    https://www.friendsoftonga.org/cpages/evan-and-kate-buban-mangino/61f60d3596385f059945ff30

    Replies: @Clyde, @SFG

    Looks like a sub. Those guys have such a hard time finding dominant women I feel sorry for them.

  228. @Triteleia Laxa
    Often men are lazier in the home and often woman have more exacting standards of comfort for them to feel comfortable. This combines with a general cultural reluctance to perceive women as actively abusive and also to passive abuse as "abuse."

    All of this then leads to a reasonably frequent dynamic of women nagging, berating and castigating men, without fully realising that they, the women, are being cruel, and men acting out a sort of dumb ignorance that is equally cruel and manipulative, when it comes to household needs.

    I can't say what comes first, just that it is a common dynamic of mutual unpleasantness. I have no doubt that both sides in such disputes have generally rationalised themselves into being purely defensive, or entitled to act as they do, or just a victim.

    Of course, much of the time, each side actually does do their own cruelty to a lesser degree and, sometimes, it is defensive. But that doesn't stop either behaviour from being hurtful.

    There's no easy solution to such a dynamic, indeed addressing it will, because humans seem incapable of being real in a sustained fashion, bring up a myriad of other issues. Nonetheless, admitting that it a mutually bad situation, in which both people could do better, will do a lot to make it more bearable.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Perceptive comment. If you’re inclined to answer: are you a guy or a gal, single or paired up?

  229. @Luddite in Chief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    One thing the woman in red does have in common with those real fixers, rather than my envisionment, is that you won’t see her under the sink with her butt crack showing. Too bad, actually, as that would be brilliant …
     
    Not nearly as brilliant as this shirt that actually takes advantage of the phenomenon of Builder’s Bum (as we call it):

    https://i.imgur.com/EAo5a17.jpeg

    Best of all, it was done using a German political leader (the text reads, "more attractive than you think"). Who says the Germans have no sense of humour?

    (I cannot quite decide if that picture is genuinely funny or merely tasteless.)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Can’t funny and tasteless go together?

    What I don’t know is how faked the photo is. LOL, anyway.

  230. @Joe862
    @Daniel H

    Women need to be told to want something that will make them happy. That way they'll want it and when they get it have a chance to be happy. Now they're told to want a big career, and those big careers seldom make them happy. So they're miserable but too stupid or dishonest to assess the situation accurately. And they fall back on blaming men. boo hoo.

    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it's exclusively hers. I've tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it’s exclusively hers. I’ve tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.

    All I want is 1 ft. of shelf space here and there, but the stuff comes baaackkk! That’s what man-caves are for, too.

    You reminded me of an adorable thing an ex-girlfriend did when we were together. One thing we had in common was being organized, as that’s good for one’s mental state. She had kids, and one time, when her minvan’s floor was filled with toys and other stuff, she had enough and started hiking them all out the side door onto the driveway.

  231. @Barnard
    @Muggles

    The Daily Mail has a clip from one of the passengers. It was mostly magic Americans as you suspected. It will be interesting to see how many are arrested or prosecuted. I had not heard Caribbean cruises were getting more diverse.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10963717/Cruise-ship-brawl-erupts-Carnival-Magics-dance-club.html

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    They’re all dressed in white. Are we even sure they weren’t crew members?

  232. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Brutusale


    She gets that I would never spend the time or effort to keep my place as she keeps hers, so she took steps to spruce up the areas she spends time in when she comes over. As it was obviously something she cared about, I started doing some (minimal) cleaning before her visits. Hey, she’s worth the effort!

     

    Congratulations! She passed a version of the "Door Test."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgi17eUrkTA

    Replies: @Brutusale

    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!

    SC 2021

    She was 58 when I took this last year.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Brutusale

    She looks like a keeper. Well done.

    , @zoos
    @Brutusale


    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!
     
    I'm certain that if more women looked like that at 58, it would significantly contribute to world peace.

    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  233. @Ebony Obelisk
    The hearing testimony today was devastating

    Trump attacked a secret service agent and tried to stage a coup

    Trump will not be allowed to run for president and will be arrested

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Mr. Anon, @fish, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @tyrone, @Anon7, @mc23

    No way something so sweet to dish wouldn’t have come out long before.

    One reason to like Trump is how he unhinged his opponents. Out of office for over a year and they are flailing around trying to destroy him. Who would have figured a sleazy, gouche real estate developer would be the most honest politician in America.

  234. Even when couples seem to divide housework equally, women frequently end up as “managers,” while men are merely “helpers.”

  235. @Anon
    @J.Ross


    2. Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison, further drawing attention to Pizzagate and the ruling class’s penchant for raping children.
     
    This is a losing issue. Middle-class normies don't want to be associated with white knighting for underage prostitutes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Gabe Ruth

    A Man of Unz spotted, alert the harpies.

  236. @Rooster16
    @R.G. Camara

    It’s true that women are baffled by how guys can “just be happy”. It’s also true that women constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet? Bet you never have asked them that once! It’s because men and women are different! Women’s brains have been described as a hamster wheel that never stops spinning, and I’d say that’s a pretty accurate description.

    Replies: @The Real World

    …constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet?

    It’s because she can’t believe that there’s often such vacancy there. Certainly, you must, sometimes, have interesting thoughts or ideas?

    Give her credit that she keeps trying to discover something fascinating in that noggin despite most often it not being the case.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
    @The Real World

    It's because she can't stand the thought that -- even for a few moments -- the man isn't thinking of her and making her the center of his existence.

    There -- fixed it for you!

    Replies: @The Real World

  237. anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    @jejej

    Ok, I can't really tell you how to handle women to your satisfaction, but I can tell you how to deal with them without getting steamrolled.

    First, take them at their word. Men don't take women seriously at their own peril. Women can be remarkably candid, but men often think "she's just saying crazy stuff" when she's quite serious.

    Secondly, hold them to their own standards. If she demands such and such from you, demand the same from her.

    Thirdly, give them the respect they deserve. If they earn respect, give it to them; if not, don't give them respect.

    Finally, hold them accountable for breaking rules. If they break the law they should be punished just the same as men who do so.

    How does this look in practice?

    Say a woman says "if you ever raise a hand against me you'll be in jail before you know what hit you!"

    Fair enough. You take her at her word, apply the same standard to her, and demand she follow the law. So if she raises a hand against you, put her ass in jail.

    Another example is if she says "if you ever cheat on me I'm going to divorce you and take half your stuff." OK then, if she cheats you divorce her and take half the stuff. Some guys might say "but I paid all the bills, why should I give up half my stuff?" Hey, she was going to spend more than half of what you make anyway, so no real loss. Do you really want to be working for some ungrateful adulteress anyway?

    American women always assume they're going to land on their feet no matter what. You should assume the same about both them and yourself. Don't worry about her -- if she's treating you like crap she's already got a plan to flush you down the toilet and thrive. Give her the benefit of the doubt and push the lever yourself. She'll be fine.

    But your kids are a different matter. They never asked for these parents, so try to give them at least one good one. All the crap you put up with -- it's for them. That love they have for you is grace. The love you have for them is redemption. It's how God (or whatever you want to call it "You know, The THING!") saves us miserable reprobates from ourselves.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Wow! Advise from a man who doesn’t have a woman. What a treasure. It’s a keeper boys!

    She left you with your advise?

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @anonymous

    What makes you think I want one? I got my kids.

  238. @Anonymous
    @Spangel226


    My kids nanny is attractive and blonde. She’s from Argentina. Doesn’t cost anything unusual.
     
    Did you try going through an agency to pick up a white American nanny?

    Price was the same, was it?

    Replies: @Spangel226

    No idea. I didn’t get involved with hiring the nanny. I suppose hiring is a manager decision. Shrug.

  239. @rebel yell
    @R.G. Camara

    When we first got married, I wanted to eat out, as usual, but my wife insisted we cook at home. I wanted to eat out because it is quick and easy and I don't really care what I eat anyway.
    We never voted on the question of whether to eat out or cook at home. She made it clear this was non-negotiable.
    Thus began what has now been 25 years of meals at home, with me getting a weekly scolding for not helping enough in the kitchen and for being too stupid to know how to cook.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @James J. O'Meara, @Pontius

    Oh hell yes. “Are you doing that on purpose?” followed by the knife being grabbed from your hand.

    I learned to loathe dinner time, even though she was a superb cook.

    Now I just look back on 17 largely wasted years where “I never did enough around the house.” on top of the 40hrs a week of work + 5 or 6 hrs of commuting, plus stripping and weather proofing a roof alone, plus hundreds of hours of snow clearing and mowing plus tens of thousands of dollars in free car and appliance repairs plus endless hours of “I need to talk to you.” , plus accusations of being an alcoholic for drinking 5 pints a week, plus the endless chauffeuring..

    I sill don’t know how one person could generate that much laundry….

    Eff all that.

    Now my biggest decision is whether to enjoy the beer instead of a motorcycle ride, or enjoy the beer after a motorcycle ride.

    House…man clean.

    Interior decorating….add furniture and wall art until the echo disappears and we’re good.

    Meals….open and add heat.

    There’s worse things in life than a bit of loneliness.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, jejej, R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Pontius

    One funny thing is that after suckering you in to marriage/loving with them, modern women believe they don't have to do anything else, that they're the prize, and that they do everything for you.

    They don't realize the reason dowries came into effect is because beyond breeding wives are largely worthless and actually hindrances to a good life. Finishing schools/good families/churches used to at least teach women to be good obedient wives and cook and clean for their husbands without complaint and at least help with the home economics of shopping responsibly, but sadly those are few and far between these days.

    It's not until they are alone, drunk, and staring out their windows that women will even admit for a moment that the problem is them and not the perfectly decent man they drove away.

  240. @Gaius Gracchus
    The research shows no one likes women managers, even women. Women prefer male bosses.

    As to housework, even if a man did 90% of all housework while working full time, while his wife was a stay at home mo., the wife still would not be satisfied.

    Most women just want something to complain about. Taking it seriously is just a big mistake. It is a classic sh1t test to determine suitability of a man.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    As to housework, even if a man did 90% of all housework while working full time, while his wife was a stay at home mo., the wife still would not be satisfied.

    Most women just want something to complain about. Taking it seriously is just a big mistake. It is a classic sh1t test to determine suitability of a man.

    This is exactly right.

    Men that constantly do more for women don’t realize that they will just complain about something else. In fact it makes women uncomfortable to have a man that is always trying to please them. It just isn’t in their nature.

    No matter what you bring to the table they will eventually complain about socks being left out or the toilet seat up. It’s what they do. Duh.

    Have a beer and go practice some chip shots in the back yard.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  241. @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams


    Fast forward to the present: my grandmother is gone but my mother is still dragging me on thousand-mile guilt trips every chance she gets. My cousin only calls me when she’s drunk and wants to vent about how much she hates her husband. The last time I spoke to my aunt I had to talk her out of committing suicide.

    So I’m all alone but sometimes I think I’m one of the lucky ones.
     
    You have a very southern flavor with your anecdotes.

    That is, no matter what the thread topic is, you have a skilled way of turning the attention back to you, and the anecdotes are tragicomic featuring you as the protagonist, being agitated in a washtub full of crazy-ass bitches.

    Bitter nostalgia will ensure you remain a self-deluding, tired, bitter fat fuck.

    Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy. It’ll take you a loooooong time to consistently generate an authentic feeling of gratitude, but it’s worth the work. It beats what you are now.

    Only your narcissism will try to tell you otherwise.

    Stop marking time, get a trained cognitive therapist, and get to work on yourself. Spare us the "Long Day's Journey into Night – Trailer Trash Version" narratives, and spend that time actively bettering yourself. It’s work. At first you’ll fail. But it’s better than you endlessly upchucking your self-satisfied hard luck stories here. Everybody's got some. You think we really need to hear your special brand of stupid shit?

    And yeah. I’m Protestant. 😇

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Kylie

    “Without an authentic sense of gratitude, featuring the will to improve yourself, rather than those around you, you will never be happy, because… it’s simply impossible. No gratitude = no joy.”

    Truer words were never spoken. Gratitude is the foundation, always. I’m lucky I have a natural aptitude for it. It allowed me to overcome an abusive past to the point where I now enjoy genuine contentment. That doesn’t come without regrets or a sense of the good things I missed but it’s more than I dreamed of when I was young and probably more than I deserve.

    Every day is a gift.

  242. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    The problem is that when White men marry breed with cute little geisha dolls the boys don’t come out that big.
     
    Meet Nathan Adrian, five-time Olympic gold medal winner in swimming.

    https://cdn.swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/20150608_SMM_raw_2012_08_05_10986.jpg

    https://starsunfolded.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Adrian-Family.jpg

    https://playersbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Nathan-Adrian-family.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @John Johnson

    Anecdotal evidence.

    Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    Asians are more homogenized in general which means less of a dice roll.

    Half-Asian girls can be cute but the boys are more likely to be picked on.

    I grew up in a “good schools” area and I witnessed ruthless and bloody beatings. American public schools are a rough place and led by reality-denying liberal administrators. This really isn’t a civilized country and I would advise against breeding with small Asian women for that reason. Like I said White men should consider the offspring more than what they find purdy or makes them feel masculine. Smaller White men often like Asian women since they make them feel bigger in comparison but they should really go the other direction if they want kids.

    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women anyways. I had a submissive Asian girlfriend and it creeped me out. Like a personal assistant that lies to you.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @John Johnson

    That's the direction I went, I'm a little on the scrawny side and the wife has a little heavier build for a female. The kids aren't old enough for me to tell if it worked. One is definitely heavier built but the other one is very skinny, but at an age where that's common.

    , @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    Anecdotal evidence.
     

    I grew up in a “good schools” area and I witnessed
     
    There are a lot of "I's" in your assertions.

    Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-flynn-effect-for-height/

    Changes in adult height over the century of analysis varied drastically across countries. Notably, although the large increases in European men’s heights in the 19th and 20th century have been highlighted, we found that the largest gains since the 1896 birth cohort occurred in South Korean women and Iranian men, who became 20.2 cm (17.5–22.7) and 16.5 cm (13.3–19.7) taller, respectively (Figure 3, Figure 4 and Figure 5). As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]
     
    And these women seem to make these sons:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/24/89/75/248975ed0e9f366da566bcb94f6c2b16--olympic-judo-the-south.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Johann Ricke
    @John Johnson


    I had a submissive Asian girlfriend
     
    Obviously everyone has a different definition, but when I hear submissive, I think of sitcom segments involving whips, chains and generous amounts of leather implements and garments. Did she prostrate herself before you, kiss your feet when you entered the room and address you as "Dominus"?
  243. I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @epebble

    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It's one of those strange but true medical facts that isn't allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn't be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.

    Replies: @epebble, @Twinkie

  244. @Lagertha
    Feminists don't want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80's), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    I never go to my college reunions because the women are ugly as shit and the men are hen-pecked skinny shit dudes who ARE SO EWWWW. None of them are fun to hang around with, and like, have a serious drink with (the women are quick to say "I don't drink") so, I stopped going to my Privileged, Eastcoast, Private Uni reunions because they were so fucking BORING.

    I never wanted to go there/Uni on the East Coast. I got into UCSB but my dad was ill and did not want me to be so far away. History is cruel and sweet at the same time.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Lagertha

    Feminists don’t want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80’s), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    Women are terrible at hobbies. When they get older they sit around and fret.

    If they don’t have a family then they go bonkers.

    Society would be better off admitting this and stop encouraging women to get all these social science and humanities degrees.

    College is good but not when most degrees are 4-6 years of White guilt and debt.

    Where I used to work we would sometimes higher office assistants. It really is a job for someone with a 2 year degree. Low paying and it is assumed your husband has a job with benefits. If you put out an ad for an office assistant you would get like 100 applications from college educated White women and at least a quarter would have a masters degree.

    Modern Western society is so f-cking stupid. We literally spend billions to make White women bitter and load them up with debt. They come out of college believing that “the man” held back Wakanda and then they learn that a cushy \$80k job isn’t waiting for them. The bitterness has a negative impact on male/female relationships. They really believe that everything would be better if not for White men. Someone else would have invented air conditioning and tampons if White men didn’t impose their cruelty on everyone. They really believe this. The Zulu would have created television for them.

    I am happily married but I don’t delude myself about female nature. They aren’t men with boobs and society needs to recognize that. Currently society is trying to pretend that women are actually men and and men are just assholes.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @John Johnson

    love your comment: survive. The next year will be awful.

    , @Lagertha
    @John Johnson

    I have 3 gorgeous men in their 20's ...so, I am obsessed with this - your comments were so good! I am pushing two of my sons to move abroad (my country, or wherever) bc American young women are too messed up & too materialistic. My sons may not get those jobs, while youngish, to pay for Haute Couture and Euro cars. The relief is: they don't like those bitches! - they like the Mountain girls!!!!!!!! and the hikers and snowboarders, the horse ridin' girls, the hunters, the fly-fishing girls.

  245. @Lurker
    @ic1000


    (I’m aware of Steve Sailer’s version, but I’m specifically trying NOT to cite Steve Sailer here)
     
    Bedwetter detected!

    Replies: @SFG, @EdwardM

    Yeah but by “not citing Steve Sailer,” he cited Steve Sailer.

    Clever way to do so while avoiding guilt by association.

  246. @Stan Adams
    @Anonymous

    And, since you do respect me enough to tell me off, I’ll add this:

    I’m fully aware that I’ve become something of a troll on this site. I didn’t set out to become one but it just sort of happened. I really don’t have anything meaningful to contribute aside from an occasional Hunter Biden joke.

    And I do believe that this site is important. Steve’s work is important. I owe it to everyone here to stop getting in the way.

    So Stan Adams is going on hiatus. I know I’ve said that before but this time I really do feel as if I’ve blown my wad and worn out my welcome. I was just waiting for someone to say it, and you did.

    So thank you, Anon945. And thank you to everyone here who has put up with my constant digressions. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    And thank you, Steve, for all that you do.

    Good night, and good luck. I’ll see you along the trail.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Ah, never mind. I’m too addicted to the occasional dopamine hits I get from commenting here to be able to quit. You know it and I know it.

    I only comment on a couple of sites. This is the one that gets my best material. I’m not as raunchy here as I’d like to be.

    I don’t know if anybody has picked up on this, but in a way I am actively seeking ridicule. I am intentionally humiliating myself by exposing all of my flaws to everyone. No doubt there are plenty of ugly guys on this site but I’m the only one who admits openly that I’m fat, that I have a little wee-wee, that I have bad teeth, etc. Anon945 says I make myself the hero of all of my stories, but I’m more of an anti-hero.

    The other day I took a picture of myself shirtless and made it into a crappy little meme. I posted the comment but Steve didn’t approve it. He did me a favor, no doubt. But let the record show that I was prepared to deal with whatever ridicule that people were ready to throw at me.

    I live with my mother. I don’t like to admit that because it makes me seem like a loser. Scratch that – it doesn’t make me seem like a loser – it makes me a loser, period.

    But there is one nice thing about living with her. I have power over her. She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage. I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap.

    I had power over my grandmother in the same way. But I had more respect for my grandmother than I have for my mother.

    I’m not a mama’s boy. I can’t stand to be around her. I don’t even like to look at her. To me she looks hideous. Even when she was younger and thinner she looked ugly (IMO). It pains me to think that half of my genes came from her.

    When I look at pictures of my father and my mother together I wonder what the hell he was thinking. The only thing I can think of is that his own mother looked kind of fat and dumpy, and when he met my mother he was still recovering from her death. Maybe he was looking for a maternal figure.

    You know how they say that you should always find someone who loves you more than you love them, because that way you’ll have all the leverage? I have that kind of leverage with my mother. I don’t think I’ll ever have it with anyone else.

    And I don’t want to be the needier partner in a relationship. I don’t want to feel that I owe some bitch my devotion because she deigned to open her legs for me. I’d rather be alone. Being alone sucks sometimes but being chained to someone else would suck even more.

    Anon945 does have a point – my constant kvetching about my life is boring, irrelevant, and counterproductive. I get that. And quite frankly even I’m tired of it at this point. So it would be a good idea for me to shut up about myself.

    (Of course, just because it’s a good idea doesn’t mean I’m going to have the discipline to do it…)

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Stan Adams

    Counter perspective.

    I actually like your posts and find them rather interesting. Especially when you talk about life in South Florida.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "But there is one nice thing about living with her[my mother]. I have power over her."

    Not as much power as she has over you. So, basically, she's winning.

    "She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage."

    What leverage? You're still around.

    "I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap."

    And because it's a small price to pay to keep you where she wants you. Hell, for her, it may even be a feature, not a bug. She doesn't need anyone else to take her crap. She's got the person she trained from birth to do that.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

  247. J. Algernon Hawthorne: Against it? I should be positively astounded to hear anything that could be said FOR it. Why the whole bloody place is the most unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of civilization! Look at yourself! The way your wife and her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop!

    https://www.theculturist.com/home/its-a-mad-mad-mad-mad-world.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charles Pewitt

    Watch your back. Rosie just put a hit on you for that.

  248. Women are terrible at hobbies. When they get older they sit around and fret.

    And fart. Many middle-aged women describe themselves ‘sassy’ (as if that is attractive to men), but what they really mean by ‘sassy’ is ‘gassy’, which is even more unattractive.

    Many truly cannot partake in any hobby that is impressive in any way. If nothing else, they should at least become master chefs since they have to cook for themselves as single women. But they can’t.

    I mean, paint a painting, write a novel, compose a song; often we see ‘none of the above’.

  249. Consumerism is a big part of why women are unhappy. Women buy some huge percentage of stuff, so ads specifically, and society generally, tell them that they deserve to be thought pretty, to have a handsome loving husband who helps around the house, to have beautiful intelligent children, and a fulfilling high paying career. Oh, and by the way, you should buy X.

    Then they find out they’ve been lied to. The are not as pretty as they thought. The husband and kids are just kinda ok, and the career is really just a routine monotonous soul crushing job, which men have always known.

    They can’t admit to themselves that this is just the way of the world. No! It has to be someone’s fault. Guess whose fault it is?

    2) Sassy to me says you’re a loud mouth bitch.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  250. @The Real World
    @Rooster16


    ...constantly think about what their partner is thinking about especially when you’re silent. Ever have your wife/gf ask “what are you thinking about” when you’re quiet?
     
    It's because she can't believe that there's often such vacancy there. Certainly, you must, sometimes, have interesting thoughts or ideas?

    Give her credit that she keeps trying to discover something fascinating in that noggin despite most often it not being the case.

    Replies: @Bel Riose

    It’s because she can’t stand the thought that — even for a few moments — the man isn’t thinking of her and making her the center of his existence.

    There — fixed it for you!

    • Replies: @The Real World
    @Bel Riose

    Stop choosing to spend time with narcissistic women - that will solve your problem.

    That so many males are obsessed with, and spend volumes of time on, something as idiotic as video games is likely a primary reason for so much cranial vacancy.

  251. @J.Ross
    @Cagey Beast

    He did that at the same time that he tulpæically had his psychic way with AOC, the absolute legend.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He did that at the same time that he tulpæically had his psychic way with AOC, the absolute legend.

    Bernie Tulpin couldn’t have said it better:

    Hold me closer, tulpamancer
    Count the headlights on the highway
    Lay me down in shih-tzu litter
    You had a ditzy day today

    • LOL: J.Ross
  252. @Charles Pewitt
    J. Algernon Hawthorne: Against it? I should be positively astounded to hear anything that could be said FOR it. Why the whole bloody place is the most unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of civilization! Look at yourself! The way your wife and her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop!

    https://www.theculturist.com/home/its-a-mad-mad-mad-mad-world.html

    https://youtu.be/Hln19l9RtWg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Watch your back. Rosie just put a hit on you for that.

  253. @Brutusale
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!

    https://imgur.com/a/A3ZPGgL

    She was 58 when I took this last year.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @zoos

    She looks like a keeper. Well done.

  254. @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    Ah, never mind. I'm too addicted to the occasional dopamine hits I get from commenting here to be able to quit. You know it and I know it.

    I only comment on a couple of sites. This is the one that gets my best material. I'm not as raunchy here as I'd like to be.

    I don't know if anybody has picked up on this, but in a way I am actively seeking ridicule. I am intentionally humiliating myself by exposing all of my flaws to everyone. No doubt there are plenty of ugly guys on this site but I'm the only one who admits openly that I'm fat, that I have a little wee-wee, that I have bad teeth, etc. Anon945 says I make myself the hero of all of my stories, but I'm more of an anti-hero.

    The other day I took a picture of myself shirtless and made it into a crappy little meme. I posted the comment but Steve didn't approve it. He did me a favor, no doubt. But let the record show that I was prepared to deal with whatever ridicule that people were ready to throw at me.

    I live with my mother. I don't like to admit that because it makes me seem like a loser. Scratch that - it doesn't make me seem like a loser - it makes me a loser, period.

    But there is one nice thing about living with her. I have power over her. She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn't want to be alone. That gives me leverage. I can treat her like dog shit and she'll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap.

    I had power over my grandmother in the same way. But I had more respect for my grandmother than I have for my mother.

    I'm not a mama's boy. I can't stand to be around her. I don't even like to look at her. To me she looks hideous. Even when she was younger and thinner she looked ugly (IMO). It pains me to think that half of my genes came from her.

    When I look at pictures of my father and my mother together I wonder what the hell he was thinking. The only thing I can think of is that his own mother looked kind of fat and dumpy, and when he met my mother he was still recovering from her death. Maybe he was looking for a maternal figure.

    You know how they say that you should always find someone who loves you more than you love them, because that way you'll have all the leverage? I have that kind of leverage with my mother. I don't think I'll ever have it with anyone else.

    And I don't want to be the needier partner in a relationship. I don't want to feel that I owe some bitch my devotion because she deigned to open her legs for me. I'd rather be alone. Being alone sucks sometimes but being chained to someone else would suck even more.

    Anon945 does have a point - my constant kvetching about my life is boring, irrelevant, and counterproductive. I get that. And quite frankly even I'm tired of it at this point. So it would be a good idea for me to shut up about myself.

    (Of course, just because it's a good idea doesn't mean I'm going to have the discipline to do it...)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Kylie

    Counter perspective.

    I actually like your posts and find them rather interesting. Especially when you talk about life in South Florida.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks. (I guess I was fishing for a compliment…)

    Speaking of South Florida, as of today I can boast that I graduated from the same high school as the third-richest man in the world and the first Black!(TM) YouGoGrrl(R) Supreme Court justice. Not bad for a public school.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans


  255. Watch your back. Rosie just put a hit on you for that.”

    Yep, she and Alden have probably already agreed on a price.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
  256. @Brutusale
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!

    https://imgur.com/a/A3ZPGgL

    She was 58 when I took this last year.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @zoos

    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!

    I’m certain that if more women looked like that at 58, it would significantly contribute to world peace.

    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @zoos


    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.
     
    She deals with being the "skinny bitch" swimming in a sea of jealously snippy she-cow nurses at work. As the lone slim, attractive older woman in her unit, she deals with unwanted attention from co-workers, patients, visitors, etc. Every year she does a charity bike ride from Boston to Provincetown to raise money for MS, and she constantly has to deal with new members of her team hitting on her, though that's way down since I went to the post-ride party last year!

    As a friend of hers said once, after watching the other nurses in the meeting give her the grimacing once-over when she walked in wearing a cute skirt under her lab coat, her problem is that it's OK to look like her at 30, but not at 60.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  257. @Joe862
    @Daniel H

    Women need to be told to want something that will make them happy. That way they'll want it and when they get it have a chance to be happy. Now they're told to want a big career, and those big careers seldom make them happy. So they're miserable but too stupid or dishonest to assess the situation accurately. And they fall back on blaming men. boo hoo.

    The wife treats every inch of the house as if it's exclusively hers. I've tried to move things around a few times and she just moves them back.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

    The house IS hers, if you want to keep the peace. Be content with the basement and the garage.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Old Prude

    I wanted kids but I never wanted a wife really. It's miserable having to live in a house you have no say in. I didn't realize how bad it would be. My entire life is essentially in a one car garage that serves as my man-cave. Marriage really sucks.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  258. OT:


    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/30/world/russia-ukraine-war-news?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur#biden-nato-gas-prices
    https://archive.ph/pA2jr

    In a sign of the challenges of maintaining pressure on Russia despite fuel price shocks and wider economic pain, President Biden said at the close of the NATO summit in Madrid on Thursday that Americans should be prepared to pay higher gasoline prices for “as long as it takes, so Russia cannot in fact defeat Ukraine and move beyond Ukraine.”

    […]
    Samantha Power, the head of the United States Agency for International Development, told the World Bank last week that current international support was not enough to cover Ukraine’s monthly military spending. Ukraine’s government is spending \$5 billion to \$6 billion dollars on the war a month at the last estimate, she said, adding, “and that is a staggering burn rate.”

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1542684948519419908

  259. @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    White men interracially marry more often than White women.
     
    Correct. In general, men are more liberal about where they'll park. But the wives and children of *men* generally become part of the tribe--the man's tribe. Not so with women.

    And, in the US white men are out marrying much, much, much more sensibly than white women.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Correct. In general, men are more liberal about where they’ll park. But the wives and children of *men* generally become part of the tribe–the man’s tribe. Not so with women.

    In old times, yes. Back then, people had tight-knit extended families and lived within ethno-religious communities. So if you married a different race, you moved to your husband’s community and assimilated to their norms. Your children grew up as members of a different tribe.

    In modern times, Americans live in atomized suburbs. Their children are shaped very much by entertainment (tv, music, movies, sports, video games), social media, schools, classmates, consumerism, and (when they get older) their workplaces. My experience is that in today’s America, half-White kids mostly assimilate into mainstream American culture. This is true regardless of whether the father or mother is White.

    The exception is half-Black kids. They usually have a strong Black cultural identity. Many counter-assimilate and become hardcore Black.

    And, in the US white men are out marrying much, much, much more sensibly than white women.

    Define “sensibly.”

    If we define “sensibly” as non-Black, here’s the data.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    View post on imgur.com

    Therefore, we can calculate that 0.36% of newly-married White men are partnered with a Black woman. 0.7% of newly-married White women are partnered with a Black man.

    A difference, but not hugely significant.

  260. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @John Johnson

    "In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason."

    A few weeks ago a divorcee swung by the house with a problem. She had a nail in a tire and it was leaking air. She also had a 15-y.o. son sitting in the front seat, laying on his phone. She asked if I could help.

    "Sure, I can help. Son, put that phone down and change that tire."

    Uninterested shrug. "I don't know how."

    "First thing, grab the owner's manual from the glove box ..."

    It took awhile, but he got it done and learned a life lesson.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    “First thing, grab the owner’s manual from the glove box …”

    It took awhile, but he got it done and learned a life lesson.

    And this is what dads are for.

    Teaching boys how to throw a ball, change a tire or work a job until it is done.

    Single moms teach boys to pick up a phone and call a service for help.

    They are basically raising them to call a man when you need something.

  261. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Stan Adams

    Counter perspective.

    I actually like your posts and find them rather interesting. Especially when you talk about life in South Florida.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Thanks. (I guess I was fishing for a compliment…)

    Speaking of South Florida, as of today I can boast that I graduated from the same high school as the third-richest man in the world and the first Black!(TM) YouGoGrrl(R) Supreme Court justice. Not bad for a public school.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Stan Adams

    Don't overreact to some rando naysayer. I don't always read your (often lengthy) posts but they tend to be pretty harmless and not even in the running for the most offensive around here.

    Pro tip: simply ignore stupid and/or hostile critics.

  262. @Old Prude
    @Joe862

    The house IS hers, if you want to keep the peace. Be content with the basement and the garage.

    Replies: @Joe862

    I wanted kids but I never wanted a wife really. It’s miserable having to live in a house you have no say in. I didn’t realize how bad it would be. My entire life is essentially in a one car garage that serves as my man-cave. Marriage really sucks.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Joe862

    If you really want to stay in your situation, my advice is to rebuild that garage into something truly livable.

    Here's a good example

    https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/615

    Replies: @Joe862

  263. @Hans Tholstrup
    A major qualification for being a 'manager' rather than a 'worker' is that the manager has to 'care' about the operation being performed. (eg the manager might take work issues home while the worker leaves them happily at the office.)
    When it comes to housework, men really don't care as much as women do about the details. If it's basically clean, fine. If we can find what we need, when we need it, that's tidy enough. If we've got the groceries we need to eat, fine.
    And we're not certainly worried about what the guys think of our house if they come visit!

    Replies: @ThatsNotAll, @Joe862

    If it were up to me I wouldn’t have half of the crap we do. I don’t want it because I don’t want to spend a lot of time cleaning, and maintaining it. Women are the ones that want to have the mountains of crap and all the work that comes with it.

  264. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    Anecdotal evidence.

    Asian women don't normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    Asians are more homogenized in general which means less of a dice roll.

    Half-Asian girls can be cute but the boys are more likely to be picked on.

    I grew up in a "good schools" area and I witnessed ruthless and bloody beatings. American public schools are a rough place and led by reality-denying liberal administrators. This really isn't a civilized country and I would advise against breeding with small Asian women for that reason. Like I said White men should consider the offspring more than what they find purdy or makes them feel masculine. Smaller White men often like Asian women since they make them feel bigger in comparison but they should really go the other direction if they want kids.

    I really don't get the appeal of Asian women anyways. I had a submissive Asian girlfriend and it creeped me out. Like a personal assistant that lies to you.

    Replies: @Joe862, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    That’s the direction I went, I’m a little on the scrawny side and the wife has a little heavier build for a female. The kids aren’t old enough for me to tell if it worked. One is definitely heavier built but the other one is very skinny, but at an age where that’s common.

  265. Well I was hoping some-one else would remind women of this:

    Your primary purpose is to keep the Erectile erect in Homo Erectus and to spend the next several years happily dealing with the hoped for consequence.
    Men’s job is to take care of the everything else.
    Sexual Dimorphism is a thing with a purpose.

  266. @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    Ah, never mind. I'm too addicted to the occasional dopamine hits I get from commenting here to be able to quit. You know it and I know it.

    I only comment on a couple of sites. This is the one that gets my best material. I'm not as raunchy here as I'd like to be.

    I don't know if anybody has picked up on this, but in a way I am actively seeking ridicule. I am intentionally humiliating myself by exposing all of my flaws to everyone. No doubt there are plenty of ugly guys on this site but I'm the only one who admits openly that I'm fat, that I have a little wee-wee, that I have bad teeth, etc. Anon945 says I make myself the hero of all of my stories, but I'm more of an anti-hero.

    The other day I took a picture of myself shirtless and made it into a crappy little meme. I posted the comment but Steve didn't approve it. He did me a favor, no doubt. But let the record show that I was prepared to deal with whatever ridicule that people were ready to throw at me.

    I live with my mother. I don't like to admit that because it makes me seem like a loser. Scratch that - it doesn't make me seem like a loser - it makes me a loser, period.

    But there is one nice thing about living with her. I have power over her. She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn't want to be alone. That gives me leverage. I can treat her like dog shit and she'll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap.

    I had power over my grandmother in the same way. But I had more respect for my grandmother than I have for my mother.

    I'm not a mama's boy. I can't stand to be around her. I don't even like to look at her. To me she looks hideous. Even when she was younger and thinner she looked ugly (IMO). It pains me to think that half of my genes came from her.

    When I look at pictures of my father and my mother together I wonder what the hell he was thinking. The only thing I can think of is that his own mother looked kind of fat and dumpy, and when he met my mother he was still recovering from her death. Maybe he was looking for a maternal figure.

    You know how they say that you should always find someone who loves you more than you love them, because that way you'll have all the leverage? I have that kind of leverage with my mother. I don't think I'll ever have it with anyone else.

    And I don't want to be the needier partner in a relationship. I don't want to feel that I owe some bitch my devotion because she deigned to open her legs for me. I'd rather be alone. Being alone sucks sometimes but being chained to someone else would suck even more.

    Anon945 does have a point - my constant kvetching about my life is boring, irrelevant, and counterproductive. I get that. And quite frankly even I'm tired of it at this point. So it would be a good idea for me to shut up about myself.

    (Of course, just because it's a good idea doesn't mean I'm going to have the discipline to do it...)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Kylie

    “But there is one nice thing about living with her[my mother]. I have power over her.”

    Not as much power as she has over you. So, basically, she’s winning.

    “She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage.”

    What leverage? You’re still around.

    “I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap.”

    And because it’s a small price to pay to keep you where she wants you. Hell, for her, it may even be a feature, not a bug. She doesn’t need anyone else to take her crap. She’s got the person she trained from birth to do that.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    Yeah, you're right.

    But, look at the bright side: If we live in a multiverse of infinite possibilities, then it doesn't really matter what happens in this life - this is just one of the suckier universes. There are billions and billions of universes in which I live in swank Manhattan penthouses and palatial Malibu estates and charming Milan villas. (There are also billions and billions of universes in which I live in various homeless encampments.)

    And there's always the possibility that, when I die, I will be reincarnated as a higher-level being (such as a cockroach). If I die in the upcoming nuclear war, then I might be reincarnated as an irradiated cockroach with super-intelligence and opposable thumbs. That would be interesting.

    I'm actually looking forward to the famine. It will be an excellent opportunity for me to reduce the size of my man-boobs.

    (For everything, there is a season - a time to eat and a time to starve. Starvation will commence Any Day Now, or so I'm informed by reliable commenters on iSteve.)

    But, yeah, I seriously need to do something.

    Thanks for caring, Kylie.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    On a lighter note, while we’re on the subject of matriarchal tyranny, I have found a picture of me taken just moments after I escaped her wretched womb. (That’s a Family Guy reference.) Evidently it was the first photograph ever taken of me.

    In the shot I am unclothed but my legs are covering up my boy bits. You can see how overjoyed I am to have emerged into the bright cold light of day. (Actually, I was born a few minutes after 6:30 in the evening, but never mind.)

    I was 22 inches long and I weighed only six pounds. Positively svelte. Ah, those were the days…

    In honor of my recent decision to stop shaving my eyebrows and in service of what Anon945 describes as “bitter nostalgia,” I have been collating a selection of historical photographs that omit all evidence of my *extreme* morbid obesity. I was never thin but there were times when I was merely overweight. I call it the “Hey, I Was Never *That* Fat” collection. (It’s quite small - unlike myself.)

    As a bonus I have included documentation of my epic seventh-grade height spurt. In July 1997 I was just about even with my grandmother; by Christmas I was a head taller.

    No doubt everyone here will find these pictures as endlessly fascinating as I do.



    https://i.ibb.co/0qNS3pS/D3-CD4-EC7-5-B7-C-44-A5-ADF3-6-CB33-F8-F95-F3.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/CzdNTBf/F653-CCE6-1-F61-4896-ACFE-CCE6-D1-F7-A7-E3.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/kySr2rk/6-FDE1-A6-B-5092-4-A83-82-AE-1900-E64-BF1-D0.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/HzNrfRS/25-C778-B0-B58-F-4-F6-B-B861-631-F87-E46-C61.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/vJFpNMN/28-CBCABC-E837-4322-9946-DEBAF244677-A.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/mGZV2Hs/55092-A58-24-C9-4624-8126-BE244915-FF83.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/BgPsBWG/0-FBC9-C99-5301-4-B41-82-C4-D3414607-C064.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    Oh, crap. Steve approved the shirtless pic. I guess he’s clearing the backlog from his eye surgery. (Best wishes, Steve.) Yikes.

    Well, at least you’ll finally believe me when I tell you I’m fat. I mean, I have bigger boobs than this year’s Sports Illustrated swimsuit model:

    https://i.ibb.co/qWkZsDP/C5-DBA3-D6-8-DEF-4-F3-F-8-BC8-03-F55-E211-E89.jpg

  267. @anonymous
    @Bill P

    Wow! Advise from a man who doesn't have a woman. What a treasure. It's a keeper boys!

    She left you with your advise?

    Replies: @Bill P

    What makes you think I want one? I got my kids.

  268. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Bill P


    My childhood friend and co-athlete’s kid just got picked #1 in the NBA draft. My Italian American teammate was a pretty strong, athletic guy, but holy crap you should see his wife!
     
    Sorry Bill, I did the quick searching and this does not look like "winning" to me.

    Your childhood friend is a reasonably handsome, white, Italian guy. And his kid is a fairly ugly black kid, who takes after his mom and whose life accomplishment is playing basketball very well. And ... you've added to your life all the joy of the whiny minoritarian bitch train:
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/seattle-families-of-color-the-talk-police-race/281-045dce08-3ead-4047-9f6a-ecc43ec72b88

    I'm not saying your friend was destined to land a younger Monica Bellucci, but considering his stature, looks, athletic prowess--presumably some level of intelligence--I'd think he could easily have found a many eager and intelligent UW coeds or Italian girls and have had a happier, more pleasant family life with some kids who are "run of the mill" attractive, intelligent college students working toward becoming productive citizens.

    While I agree the physical characteristics of the woman--including height, build--are a relevant factor a guy should consider screening for the "mother of my children" position, I don't think you are convincing any white guys who've "gone Asian" with this example.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Bill P,
    You sound like a nice man, and I wish you well. I have female friends who are divorced but are no harpies.. I sometimes think the harpies remarry and the good ones stay at home or are found by hardened divorced guys who use them as long as they’re pleasant and tick all the boxes. Love should be made of sterner stuff, but perhaps love is not what people look for after forty.

    I don’t have an answer. As far as I can see, divorce is THE social contagion problem of the last 70 years. The know-how to profitably work the land can be lost -within a family- in one generation. You know, the children chose engineering instead of cattle-breeding. It is not really something you wholly learn in Texas A&M.. it is an instinct, it is born of observation and very empirical.. perhaps the capacity to sustain fruitful marriages is like that.. and we have lost it, and have become unmotivated.

    Talk about a vale of tears.

  269. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    Anecdotal evidence.

    Asian women don't normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    Asians are more homogenized in general which means less of a dice roll.

    Half-Asian girls can be cute but the boys are more likely to be picked on.

    I grew up in a "good schools" area and I witnessed ruthless and bloody beatings. American public schools are a rough place and led by reality-denying liberal administrators. This really isn't a civilized country and I would advise against breeding with small Asian women for that reason. Like I said White men should consider the offspring more than what they find purdy or makes them feel masculine. Smaller White men often like Asian women since they make them feel bigger in comparison but they should really go the other direction if they want kids.

    I really don't get the appeal of Asian women anyways. I had a submissive Asian girlfriend and it creeped me out. Like a personal assistant that lies to you.

    Replies: @Joe862, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    Anecdotal evidence.

    I grew up in a “good schools” area and I witnessed

    There are a lot of “I’s” in your assertions.

    Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-flynn-effect-for-height/

    Changes in adult height over the century of analysis varied drastically across countries. Notably, although the large increases in European men’s heights in the 19th and 20th century have been highlighted, we found that the largest gains since the 1896 birth cohort occurred in South Korean women and Iranian men, who became 20.2 cm (17.5–22.7) and 16.5 cm (13.3–19.7) taller, respectively (Figure 3, Figure 4 and Figure 5). As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I'm real impressed.

    I've been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines. The boys from these marriages were normally short and confused looking. The dads clearly went for the Asian comfort woman look without considering the offspring. An entire military base of supreme gentlemen offspring. Thanks a lot US gov and horny military guys.

    As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    That's a single country and they are still smaller than Whites. Average female height globally is 5'3 so it doesn't take much to be in the top 1/3.

    Average Vietnamese female height is 5.1.

    Average Japanese height is 5.2.

    Cherry picking a single company doesn't negate the average.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  270. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    That's true (in fact I knew a hyper-masculine violent-athlete hapa from a WMAF family) but I think John refers to the unfortunate episode when white losers took advantage of Asian women who were willing to marry anyone to be in the US, permanently staining the reputation of whites visiting Japan, and predictably cranking out miniature losers who sometimes became mass murderers.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    who sometimes became mass murderers.

    Do you know more than one?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    This list isn't perfect (it indefensibly includes the obviously railroaded officer Holtzclaw, mind-bogglingly enough), and includes several accused of planning who never executed, and those who killed one victim; but it consists of more than one person.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/3wsy1k/complete_list_of_known_hapa_criminals_both_wmaw/
    The crucial thing isn't Asianness or racemixing, it is, as I said above, an umimpressive dad begets an unimpressive son.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  271. @Twinkie
    @J.Ross


    who sometimes became mass murderers.
     
    Do you know more than one?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This list isn’t perfect (it indefensibly includes the obviously railroaded officer Holtzclaw, mind-bogglingly enough), and includes several accused of planning who never executed, and those who killed one victim; but it consists of more than one person.

    Complete List of Known Hapa Criminals, Both WMAW and AMWW from hapas


    The crucial thing isn’t Asianness or racemixing, it is, as I said above, an umimpressive dad begets an unimpressive son.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @J.Ross

    I can’t open the list. How many mass murderers are on the list?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  272. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    This list isn't perfect (it indefensibly includes the obviously railroaded officer Holtzclaw, mind-bogglingly enough), and includes several accused of planning who never executed, and those who killed one victim; but it consists of more than one person.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/3wsy1k/complete_list_of_known_hapa_criminals_both_wmaw/
    The crucial thing isn't Asianness or racemixing, it is, as I said above, an umimpressive dad begets an unimpressive son.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I can’t open the list. How many mass murderers are on the list?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    By the strictest terms, one. But that leaves out several caught planning and a lot who murdered just under the threshold or not all at once. I'm not interested in the murder, I'm interested in the eugenics, and a foiled mass shooter (or a serial killer, or a murderer of two or three victims) is the same thing as a mass murderer for this purpose.
    I just realized that the Supreme Gentleman attacked people at different locations (4 in fact, one of which was the town in general), so, if you really wanted to be a lawyer about it, I guess he's not a mass murderer after all.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  273. @Pontius
    @rebel yell

    Oh hell yes. "Are you doing that on purpose?" followed by the knife being grabbed from your hand.

    I learned to loathe dinner time, even though she was a superb cook.

    Now I just look back on 17 largely wasted years where "I never did enough around the house." on top of the 40hrs a week of work + 5 or 6 hrs of commuting, plus stripping and weather proofing a roof alone, plus hundreds of hours of snow clearing and mowing plus tens of thousands of dollars in free car and appliance repairs plus endless hours of "I need to talk to you." , plus accusations of being an alcoholic for drinking 5 pints a week, plus the endless chauffeuring..

    I sill don't know how one person could generate that much laundry....

    Eff all that.

    Now my biggest decision is whether to enjoy the beer instead of a motorcycle ride, or enjoy the beer after a motorcycle ride.

    House...man clean.

    Interior decorating....add furniture and wall art until the echo disappears and we're good.

    Meals....open and add heat.

    There's worse things in life than a bit of loneliness.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    One funny thing is that after suckering you in to marriage/loving with them, modern women believe they don’t have to do anything else, that they’re the prize, and that they do everything for you.

    They don’t realize the reason dowries came into effect is because beyond breeding wives are largely worthless and actually hindrances to a good life. Finishing schools/good families/churches used to at least teach women to be good obedient wives and cook and clean for their husbands without complaint and at least help with the home economics of shopping responsibly, but sadly those are few and far between these days.

    It’s not until they are alone, drunk, and staring out their windows that women will even admit for a moment that the problem is them and not the perfectly decent man they drove away.

  274. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Luddite in Chief

    Winston Wolf, fixer.

    https://youtu.be/T9eH8ZKK6kE

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Always was weirded out that Julia Sweeney was in this scene. Was the only part of the film that took me out the movie. She was already pretty known from SNL (she was Pat) and she doesn’t do much acting here, seems like a role she just got 5 minutes before and did poorly. But at least Keitel is implied to have banged her.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @R.G. Camara

    I just figured it out: the reason a tuxedo-wearing fixer who drives an Acura NSX is taking a junk yard owner's daughter out for breakfast--despite her looking no better than upper tier junk yard owner's daughters--is to make sure he has a convenient junk yard.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  275. @Twinkie
    @J.Ross

    I can’t open the list. How many mass murderers are on the list?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    By the strictest terms, one. But that leaves out several caught planning and a lot who murdered just under the threshold or not all at once. I’m not interested in the murder, I’m interested in the eugenics, and a foiled mass shooter (or a serial killer, or a murderer of two or three victims) is the same thing as a mass murderer for this purpose.
    I just realized that the Supreme Gentleman attacked people at different locations (4 in fact, one of which was the town in general), so, if you really wanted to be a lawyer about it, I guess he’s not a mass murderer after all.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @J.Ross


    By the strictest terms, one.
     
    Next time, don't exaggerate.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  276. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "But there is one nice thing about living with her[my mother]. I have power over her."

    Not as much power as she has over you. So, basically, she's winning.

    "She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage."

    What leverage? You're still around.

    "I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap."

    And because it's a small price to pay to keep you where she wants you. Hell, for her, it may even be a feature, not a bug. She doesn't need anyone else to take her crap. She's got the person she trained from birth to do that.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    Yeah, you’re right.

    But, look at the bright side: If we live in a multiverse of infinite possibilities, then it doesn’t really matter what happens in this life – this is just one of the suckier universes. There are billions and billions of universes in which I live in swank Manhattan penthouses and palatial Malibu estates and charming Milan villas. (There are also billions and billions of universes in which I live in various homeless encampments.)

    And there’s always the possibility that, when I die, I will be reincarnated as a higher-level being (such as a cockroach). If I die in the upcoming nuclear war, then I might be reincarnated as an irradiated cockroach with super-intelligence and opposable thumbs. That would be interesting.

    I’m actually looking forward to the famine. It will be an excellent opportunity for me to reduce the size of my man-boobs.

    (For everything, there is a season – a time to eat and a time to starve. Starvation will commence Any Day Now, or so I’m informed by reliable commenters on iSteve.)

    But, yeah, I seriously need to do something.

    Thanks for caring, Kylie.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "But, yeah, I seriously need to do something."

    I'm not actually suggesting you do anything at all beyond ensuring you see your situation with some objectivity. I'm a big believer in autonomy so while I always know how others should organize their lives, I keep my big mouth shut. Easier on everybody.

  277. @zoos
    @Brutusale


    She has passed many tests, especially the visual!
     
    I'm certain that if more women looked like that at 58, it would significantly contribute to world peace.

    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.

    She deals with being the “skinny bitch” swimming in a sea of jealously snippy she-cow nurses at work. As the lone slim, attractive older woman in her unit, she deals with unwanted attention from co-workers, patients, visitors, etc. Every year she does a charity bike ride from Boston to Provincetown to raise money for MS, and she constantly has to deal with new members of her team hitting on her, though that’s way down since I went to the post-ride party last year!

    As a friend of hers said once, after watching the other nurses in the meeting give her the grimacing once-over when she walked in wearing a cute skirt under her lab coat, her problem is that it’s OK to look like her at 30, but not at 60.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Brutusale

    Nurses can make very good wives, from my experience. They have many traits that you'd want in a female partner.

  278. @jejej
    @Stan Adams

    H.L Mencken clarified the Eden metaphor quite aptly:

    "Woman is at once the serpent, the apple, and the stomach ache."

    ========================================

    Also:

    "A bachelor is one who has learned the lesson of his brother's punishment."

    I don't know how volcel you are and if that includes never having enjoyed the touch of a woman but most of us, most certainly myself included needed to get burned ourselves before the wisdom of Singlehood set in. Then again, the problem with the Tree of Knowledge isn't just that it LOOKS good but that it's quite addictive too.

    If experience or circumstance managed to make you a confirmed bachelor without having developed a taste for such "knowledge" you ought to count yourself fortunate.

    Most men are trapped and must lie to themselves and others about marriage as loudly as the religious must pray, to drown out the truths they must otherwise face in the depths of their soul.

    =========

    Finally from Mencken on this matter:

    "Women have a good deal more sober sense than men. But men would be just as sensible if there were no women."


    ____________________________________

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    My psychosexual development has been hampered by memories of traumatic childhood incidents … such as the day in second grade when this rather rotund girl jumped me on the playground and smothered me with kisses. She had been pursuing me for some time but I had resisted. I managed to extricate myself from her iron-clad grip only with extreme difficulty.

    By sheer coincidence our pictures were next to each other in the yearbook.

    Of course, it’s possible that my standards are too high. Perhaps I should have put a ring on her when I had the chance. What do you think?

    I’ve also included a picture of me as an aspiring musician. Based on her facial expression, my cousin’s friend was really into me at that particular moment. Yet another wasted opportunity…

    [MORE]

  279. @epebble
    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It’s one of those strange but true medical facts that isn’t allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn’t be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Johnson

    I know nothing about medical issues, but in terms of Stability of Marriages and consequent Financial and Social happiness, my empirical observation (definitely anecdotal, not at all research quality) is that Asian marriages (one or both partners Asian) are most stable and African-American (one or both partners AA) least stable. Whites, somewhat in between; Hispanic - not enough data, but I suspect, a bit better than Whites since larger fraction are immigrants. This all has to be read with a big caveat that the data has to be heavily qualified since non-White and non-Black populations are immigrant heavy and hence that (culture) may be the cause of stability rather than racial/ethnic reason. Sadly, all empirical data seems to suggest that everything seems to go bad once Americanized!

    , @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It’s one of those strange but true medical facts that isn’t allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn’t be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.
     
    This is complete nonsense.

    And epebble is referring to this:

    https://preview.redd.it/hsfpuvqmr5221.jpg?auto=webp&s=dd5e5be6d9ade521650daecd7a1009b5f1948cc4

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

  280. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    Anecdotal evidence.
     

    I grew up in a “good schools” area and I witnessed
     
    There are a lot of "I's" in your assertions.

    Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-flynn-effect-for-height/

    Changes in adult height over the century of analysis varied drastically across countries. Notably, although the large increases in European men’s heights in the 19th and 20th century have been highlighted, we found that the largest gains since the 1896 birth cohort occurred in South Korean women and Iranian men, who became 20.2 cm (17.5–22.7) and 16.5 cm (13.3–19.7) taller, respectively (Figure 3, Figure 4 and Figure 5). As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]
     
    And these women seem to make these sons:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/24/89/75/248975ed0e9f366da566bcb94f6c2b16--olympic-judo-the-south.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I’m real impressed.

    I’ve been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines. The boys from these marriages were normally short and confused looking. The dads clearly went for the Asian comfort woman look without considering the offspring. An entire military base of supreme gentlemen offspring. Thanks a lot US gov and horny military guys.

    As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    That’s a single country and they are still smaller than Whites. Average female height globally is 5’3 so it doesn’t take much to be in the top 1/3.

    Average Vietnamese female height is 5.1.

    Average Japanese height is 5.2.

    Cherry picking a single company doesn’t negate the average.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @John Johnson


    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I’m real impressed.
     
    Yeah that was pretty pathetic, not even counting the fact that they're all five feet tall.

    We have a lot of Asian and Jewish thread cops on this site. Something here attracts them.

    America in microcosm, almost.

    , @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    I’ve been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines.
     
    And that's not an anecdote?

    For every enlisted bringing home a hungry Filipina as a wife stateside, there are probably 10 white guys marrying East Asian girls from Yale or UCLA who played water polo or golf in high school.

    You wrote of "geisha dolls." Listen, pal, this isn't the 1950's. It's not even the 1980's.

    The average height of younger Northeast Asians (esp. Koreans and northern Chinese) is about an inch shorter than white American counterparts.* You using poor Filipinas as an example is like telling Americans not to marry Europeans such as Germans or Swedes ("because short children"), because Sicilians and Greeks are short.

    Here is the thing. You wrote "Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men." I don't have to prove the opposite with a large sampling. I just have to falsify your silly statement.

    Here is a little personal anecdote for you. I am 6' 2". My Midwestern white wife is 5' 9". All but one of my children are in the 90+% percentile in height (compared to white American growth chart). The remaining one is in the 80's.

    Those Siberian genes + modern, high-protein, high-calcium diet does wonders for the height.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @John Johnson

    Updated data here from Lancet (2020) Height and body-mass index trajectories of school-aged children and adolescents from 1985 to 2019 in 200 countries and territories

    From Supplementary Material. For both PRC and SK average height for 19 year old male is now 175 cm, and still upward trending.
    https://i.postimg.cc/6Q6Dgm4V/Bildschirmfoto-2022-07-02-um-16-40-35.png
    For the West and Japan its been flat--
    https://i.postimg.cc/ZRp2dtGS/Bildschirmfoto-2022-07-02-um-16-41-14.png

    Given sizeable Chinese regional variation, this implies northern Chinese province youths are already the same height as white/black Americans.
    https://i.postimg.cc/VkdP7hxx/tumblr-pj4vkk-Qls-C1rasnq9o1-1280.jpg
    Honestly I hope this forum can move beyond this topic. The problem for many Chinese was never physical height but spiritual, in so far as consigning sheepishly to every-15-minute PCR tests and clapping synchronously for Emperor Xi.

  281. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "But there is one nice thing about living with her[my mother]. I have power over her."

    Not as much power as she has over you. So, basically, she's winning.

    "She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage."

    What leverage? You're still around.

    "I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap."

    And because it's a small price to pay to keep you where she wants you. Hell, for her, it may even be a feature, not a bug. She doesn't need anyone else to take her crap. She's got the person she trained from birth to do that.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    On a lighter note, while we’re on the subject of matriarchal tyranny, I have found a picture of me taken just moments after I escaped her wretched womb. (That’s a Family Guy reference.) Evidently it was the first photograph ever taken of me.

    In the shot I am unclothed but my legs are covering up my boy bits. You can see how overjoyed I am to have emerged into the bright cold light of day. (Actually, I was born a few minutes after 6:30 in the evening, but never mind.)

    I was 22 inches long and I weighed only six pounds. Positively svelte. Ah, those were the days…

    In honor of my recent decision to stop shaving my eyebrows and in service of what Anon945 describes as “bitter nostalgia,” I have been collating a selection of historical photographs that omit all evidence of my *extreme* morbid obesity. I was never thin but there were times when I was merely overweight. I call it the “Hey, I Was Never *That* Fat” collection. (It’s quite small – unlike myself.)

    As a bonus I have included documentation of my epic seventh-grade height spurt. In July 1997 I was just about even with my grandmother; by Christmas I was a head taller.

    No doubt everyone here will find these pictures as endlessly fascinating as I do.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Gosh, you were a cute toddler. The glumness set it early, didn't it? You look like Pugsley with Wednesday's temperament.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  282. @Old Prude
    @Corvinus

    Ummm. Corvo, sir, it is called "understatement".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You made it seem that you support the hitting and kicking of wives by their husbands. Try to do better next time.

  283. @John Johnson
    @epebble

    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It's one of those strange but true medical facts that isn't allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn't be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.

    Replies: @epebble, @Twinkie

    I know nothing about medical issues, but in terms of Stability of Marriages and consequent Financial and Social happiness, my empirical observation (definitely anecdotal, not at all research quality) is that Asian marriages (one or both partners Asian) are most stable and African-American (one or both partners AA) least stable. Whites, somewhat in between; Hispanic – not enough data, but I suspect, a bit better than Whites since larger fraction are immigrants. This all has to be read with a big caveat that the data has to be heavily qualified since non-White and non-Black populations are immigrant heavy and hence that (culture) may be the cause of stability rather than racial/ethnic reason. Sadly, all empirical data seems to suggest that everything seems to go bad once Americanized!

  284. @Bel Riose
    @The Real World

    It's because she can't stand the thought that -- even for a few moments -- the man isn't thinking of her and making her the center of his existence.

    There -- fixed it for you!

    Replies: @The Real World

    Stop choosing to spend time with narcissistic women – that will solve your problem.

    That so many males are obsessed with, and spend volumes of time on, something as idiotic as video games is likely a primary reason for so much cranial vacancy.

  285. @John Johnson
    @jejej

    Unfortunately it’s very very hard to be a normal father today. How do you tear your son away from your overbearing wife when women have law, culture and every feminine wile on their side?

    Tearing your son away from your overbearing wife? Good lord where do you guys live?

    Here in the country the women expect the men to take the sons fishing, camping, shooting, etc. They want their boys to grow up as men and not gender neutral soy boys.

    In fact the single women will try to make friends with masculine men for this reason.

    Men do not know how to handle their women. I include myself in this category.

    I guess not LOL.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @The Real World

    Men do not know how to handle their women.

    That sentence speaks volumes about why jejej has problems with women and is always complaining about them on here. It doesn’t occur to him that he should figure out how HE is the problem.

    It starts with his over-arching patriarchal view of human relations. Ya, that will strike you out in most situations in the 21st century. I shake my head.

  286. @Gamecock

    to get men to share the “mental load.”
     
    From housework? Womens get a mental load from housework?

    Replies: @The Real World

    Wow, either you’ve lived a very solitary and/or sheltered life or you simply have a limited mental capacity.

    Hhhmm, a household with two adults, two or three kids, pets, school schedules, medical care, kids extra-curricular activities, house repairs, lawn to be mowed, laundry, house cleaning, food shopping and preparing, cars to be maintained, bills to be paid, investments to be managed, etc. etc…. and with, possibly, both parents working outside the home leaving minimal time for all that work — and you don’t think there’s a helluva lot to organize, manage and get done?

    Fercrissakes, it’s like managing a small business. In other words, the work is continual and never ends. Friend, you are exactly the type that makes a less that optimal husband. Dialed out….

  287. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    Anecdotal evidence.

    Asian women don't normally have genes for tall or muscular men.

    Asians are more homogenized in general which means less of a dice roll.

    Half-Asian girls can be cute but the boys are more likely to be picked on.

    I grew up in a "good schools" area and I witnessed ruthless and bloody beatings. American public schools are a rough place and led by reality-denying liberal administrators. This really isn't a civilized country and I would advise against breeding with small Asian women for that reason. Like I said White men should consider the offspring more than what they find purdy or makes them feel masculine. Smaller White men often like Asian women since they make them feel bigger in comparison but they should really go the other direction if they want kids.

    I really don't get the appeal of Asian women anyways. I had a submissive Asian girlfriend and it creeped me out. Like a personal assistant that lies to you.

    Replies: @Joe862, @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    I had a submissive Asian girlfriend

    Obviously everyone has a different definition, but when I hear submissive, I think of sitcom segments involving whips, chains and generous amounts of leather implements and garments. Did she prostrate herself before you, kiss your feet when you entered the room and address you as “Dominus”?

    • LOL: Stan Adams
  288. @Anonymous
    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: "Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well? How does that work? How the hell am I supposed to do that?" Particularly irritating is when she gets me to do something she does 99% of the time, I come in cold, and then get berated for not knowing how to do the job or doing it not to her specifications.

    Replies: @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Rosie, @The Plutonium Kid

    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: “Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well?

    Listen very carefully to what your wife says. Yes, I mean that very seriously. Listen to exactly what she says, and then decide whether she is being reasonable or not.

    When I ask Mr. Rosie to “help around the house,” I almost always mean not making more work for me than is necessary. If I’m out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them. This can all be accomplished in a matter of seconds. Indeed, if it is too much trouble, you can even make the kids do it. If you order some more Pokémon crap, put the packaging in the trash, etc.

    Now, I have no idea what your wife means when she says “help around the house.” She could be talking about something completely different. All I’m saying is, make sure you understand what it is she is asking before you judge her for it.

    At the end of the day, we have limited time and energy. If we have to spend all of our time picking up, there’s never any time to actually clean anything, and we find that extremely frustrating. Good luck!

    As for us being “managers” in the household, of course we are! Those of us who are SAHM wouldn’t have it any other way. And our husbands like it that way, too. We tell them whatntp do and they do it (usually). After all, it’s only fair. If men and kids are going to expect Mom to know where everything is, they should put it where we tell them to put it. Maybe working moms feel differently.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Rosie


    If I’m out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them.
     
    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Achmed E. Newman

  289. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "But there is one nice thing about living with her[my mother]. I have power over her."

    Not as much power as she has over you. So, basically, she's winning.

    "She is desperate to keep me around because she doesn’t want to be alone. That gives me leverage."

    What leverage? You're still around.

    "I can treat her like dog shit and she’ll put up with it because she knows no one else will tolerate her crap."

    And because it's a small price to pay to keep you where she wants you. Hell, for her, it may even be a feature, not a bug. She doesn't need anyone else to take her crap. She's got the person she trained from birth to do that.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    Oh, crap. Steve approved the shirtless pic. I guess he’s clearing the backlog from his eye surgery. (Best wishes, Steve.) Yikes.

    Well, at least you’ll finally believe me when I tell you I’m fat. I mean, I have bigger boobs than this year’s Sports Illustrated swimsuit model:

  290. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    On a lighter note, while we’re on the subject of matriarchal tyranny, I have found a picture of me taken just moments after I escaped her wretched womb. (That’s a Family Guy reference.) Evidently it was the first photograph ever taken of me.

    In the shot I am unclothed but my legs are covering up my boy bits. You can see how overjoyed I am to have emerged into the bright cold light of day. (Actually, I was born a few minutes after 6:30 in the evening, but never mind.)

    I was 22 inches long and I weighed only six pounds. Positively svelte. Ah, those were the days…

    In honor of my recent decision to stop shaving my eyebrows and in service of what Anon945 describes as “bitter nostalgia,” I have been collating a selection of historical photographs that omit all evidence of my *extreme* morbid obesity. I was never thin but there were times when I was merely overweight. I call it the “Hey, I Was Never *That* Fat” collection. (It’s quite small - unlike myself.)

    As a bonus I have included documentation of my epic seventh-grade height spurt. In July 1997 I was just about even with my grandmother; by Christmas I was a head taller.

    No doubt everyone here will find these pictures as endlessly fascinating as I do.



    https://i.ibb.co/0qNS3pS/D3-CD4-EC7-5-B7-C-44-A5-ADF3-6-CB33-F8-F95-F3.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/CzdNTBf/F653-CCE6-1-F61-4896-ACFE-CCE6-D1-F7-A7-E3.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/kySr2rk/6-FDE1-A6-B-5092-4-A83-82-AE-1900-E64-BF1-D0.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/HzNrfRS/25-C778-B0-B58-F-4-F6-B-B861-631-F87-E46-C61.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/vJFpNMN/28-CBCABC-E837-4322-9946-DEBAF244677-A.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/mGZV2Hs/55092-A58-24-C9-4624-8126-BE244915-FF83.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/BgPsBWG/0-FBC9-C99-5301-4-B41-82-C4-D3414607-C064.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

    Gosh, you were a cute toddler. The glumness set it early, didn’t it? You look like Pugsley with Wednesday’s temperament.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    I was born on a Wednesday.

    Here are a few non-glum shots. My mother likes the first picture. I like the ones with my grandfather. (He could always make me smile.) My expression in the last one reminds me of Steve’s Christmas photo.



    https://i.ibb.co/vZp0vjm/AF017-E6-E-34-F0-4-F9-B-AB65-028-D805-E8-F97.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/6D8hMrz/D6-B8286-C-BD0-F-473-D-9938-6-D205-F3-BE906.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/fpz4jvj/7-E7728-FA-641-E-449-B-A46-D-5-E6-C42-CB2-E42.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/6mDvCj2/58997426-658-B-4-FA0-B255-53781-F311-D19.jpg

  291. @MEH 0910
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1542566766106255360
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/30/world/russia-ukraine-war-news?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur#biden-nato-gas-prices
    https://archive.ph/pA2jr

    In a sign of the challenges of maintaining pressure on Russia despite fuel price shocks and wider economic pain, President Biden said at the close of the NATO summit in Madrid on Thursday that Americans should be prepared to pay higher gasoline prices for “as long as it takes, so Russia cannot in fact defeat Ukraine and move beyond Ukraine.”

    [...]
    Samantha Power, the head of the United States Agency for International Development, told the World Bank last week that current international support was not enough to cover Ukraine’s monthly military spending. Ukraine’s government is spending $5 billion to $6 billion dollars on the war a month at the last estimate, she said, adding, “and that is a staggering burn rate.”
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  292. @Rosie
    @Anonymous


    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: “Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well?
     
    Listen very carefully to what your wife says. Yes, I mean that very seriously. Listen to exactly what she says, and then decide whether she is being reasonable or not.

    When I ask Mr. Rosie to "help around the house," I almost always mean not making more work for me than is necessary. If I'm out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them. This can all be accomplished in a matter of seconds. Indeed, if it is too much trouble, you can even make the kids do it. If you order some more Pokémon crap, put the packaging in the trash, etc.

    Now, I have no idea what your wife means when she says "help around the house." She could be talking about something completely different. All I'm saying is, make sure you understand what it is she is asking before you judge her for it.

    At the end of the day, we have limited time and energy. If we have to spend all of our time picking up, there's never any time to actually clean anything, and we find that extremely frustrating. Good luck!

    As for us being "managers" in the household, of course we are! Those of us who are SAHM wouldn't have it any other way. And our husbands like it that way, too. We tell them whatntp do and they do it (usually). After all, it's only fair. If men and kids are going to expect Mom to know where everything is, they should put it where we tell them to put it. Maybe working moms feel differently.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    If I’m out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them.

    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @MEH 0910

    Apparently, the only kind she could land.

    Earth to Rosie: there are millions of losers of both sexes. Why not just avoid them?

    Choose wisely (or even just competently) and you won't feel it necessary to spend thousands of hours on the internet complaining about your poor choices, not to mention blaming all men for those choices.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910


    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?
     
    Hey, my wife is not an animal! Well, usually the lid is back on, but it's cross-threaded and loose, and the jar is in an entirely different place, unless it was dumb luck. Stickers from fruit end up stuck to whatever's handy, even if 2' from the trash can. However, I could explain this behavior without even using psychology.

    It's OK, I'm sure she could come on here and trash talk a few habits of mine too. Is that you, honey? Going by the handle Rosie? Oh, sorry we had that little tiff - I didn't know it was you.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  293. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Gosh, you were a cute toddler. The glumness set it early, didn't it? You look like Pugsley with Wednesday's temperament.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I was born on a Wednesday.

    Here are a few non-glum shots. My mother likes the first picture. I like the ones with my grandfather. (He could always make me smile.) My expression in the last one reminds me of Steve’s Christmas photo.

    [MORE]

  294. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    Yeah, you're right.

    But, look at the bright side: If we live in a multiverse of infinite possibilities, then it doesn't really matter what happens in this life - this is just one of the suckier universes. There are billions and billions of universes in which I live in swank Manhattan penthouses and palatial Malibu estates and charming Milan villas. (There are also billions and billions of universes in which I live in various homeless encampments.)

    And there's always the possibility that, when I die, I will be reincarnated as a higher-level being (such as a cockroach). If I die in the upcoming nuclear war, then I might be reincarnated as an irradiated cockroach with super-intelligence and opposable thumbs. That would be interesting.

    I'm actually looking forward to the famine. It will be an excellent opportunity for me to reduce the size of my man-boobs.

    (For everything, there is a season - a time to eat and a time to starve. Starvation will commence Any Day Now, or so I'm informed by reliable commenters on iSteve.)

    But, yeah, I seriously need to do something.

    Thanks for caring, Kylie.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “But, yeah, I seriously need to do something.”

    I’m not actually suggesting you do anything at all beyond ensuring you see your situation with some objectivity. I’m a big believer in autonomy so while I always know how others should organize their lives, I keep my big mouth shut. Easier on everybody.

  295. @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hmm, If Kamala doesn't want to have another Detroit or Baltimore in California, she is a Petty Ass Bitch? She is from Oakland; She knows what happens to a city with a black Mayor. Exhibit 1: San Francisco mayor. Make LA into Southern SF just so another black woman can climb up the ladder? I would think Kamala is a smart woman to recognize most blacks are not leadership material. I would say it is an act of supreme non-Racism when you recognize that someone from your race is no good and someone from another race is good for the society.

    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”

    ― Martin Luther

    Replies: @epebble

    The Headline Los Angeles Should not Aspire for and why it needs to keep Karen Bass away.

    New Orleans could become murder capital of US under Mayor LaToya Cantrell
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-orleans-could-become-murder-capital-of-us-under-mayor-latoya-cantrell/ar-AAZ5NnW

  296. Too many men spend the bulk of their lives attempting to placate a female, hoping to motivate her to act reasonably, or — failing that — to at least shut up.

    When you really sit down and think about it, it’s depressing as hell.

    All those wasted years!

    There was an ancient Greek philosopher who said that intellectually and morally, women were somewhere between infants and adults.

    He was right.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bel Riose


    There was an ancient Greek philosopher who said that intellectually and morally, women were somewhere between infants and adults.
     
    There was an ancient Beatles singer who said something like that...
  297. @Stan Adams
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks. (I guess I was fishing for a compliment…)

    Speaking of South Florida, as of today I can boast that I graduated from the same high school as the third-richest man in the world and the first Black!(TM) YouGoGrrl(R) Supreme Court justice. Not bad for a public school.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Don’t overreact to some rando naysayer. I don’t always read your (often lengthy) posts but they tend to be pretty harmless and not even in the running for the most offensive around here.

    Pro tip: simply ignore stupid and/or hostile critics.

    • Thanks: Stan Adams
    • Troll: Realist
  298. @Joe862
    @Old Prude

    I wanted kids but I never wanted a wife really. It's miserable having to live in a house you have no say in. I didn't realize how bad it would be. My entire life is essentially in a one car garage that serves as my man-cave. Marriage really sucks.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    If you really want to stay in your situation, my advice is to rebuild that garage into something truly livable.

    Here’s a good example

    https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/615

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Hangnail Hans

    I'm sure I'd prefer my stereo to that one. The ultra high end is never interesting. Just the stupid rich buying the best. I'm not sure how they know it's the best. It's the most expensive, the most flashy, and a kid told them it was the best? I prefer my 1 car garage to that by a mile.

  299. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I'm real impressed.

    I've been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines. The boys from these marriages were normally short and confused looking. The dads clearly went for the Asian comfort woman look without considering the offspring. An entire military base of supreme gentlemen offspring. Thanks a lot US gov and horny military guys.

    As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    That's a single country and they are still smaller than Whites. Average female height globally is 5'3 so it doesn't take much to be in the top 1/3.

    Average Vietnamese female height is 5.1.

    Average Japanese height is 5.2.

    Cherry picking a single company doesn't negate the average.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I’m real impressed.

    Yeah that was pretty pathetic, not even counting the fact that they’re all five feet tall.

    We have a lot of Asian and Jewish thread cops on this site. Something here attracts them.

    America in microcosm, almost.

  300. @R.G. Camara
    Women have more particular, more demanding standards for their homes than men. As Chris Rock joked, a man would live and f**** in a cardboard box if he could. Or this meme here:

    https://pics.me.me/you-guys-live-in-apartments-like-this-and-dont-see-40229126.png

    When couples live together, however, women abusively demand that the man meet all of her demanding standards instead of respecting his preference not to.

    And then the women whine that they have to "order" men around. Well, since its what the woman wants, not the man, and he is kind enough to acquiesce/too weak to tell her to do it herself, she is default in charge. Because if the man is in charge, he would not live like this. This is the equivalent of a plantation overseer getting mad his slaves aren't just whipping each other and picking cotton on their own.

    The Atlantic (run by Steve Jobs' widow) is all about females abusing men in relationships.

    Replies: @Rooster16, @Brutusale, @rebel yell, @Thomm, @James J. O'Meara, @Herp McDerp

    Come on! Somebody has to reference Dave Barry’s classic tale of what women think men think about:
    https://www.boredpanda.com/difference-between-men-women-dave-barry/

  301. @Hangnail Hans
    @Joe862

    If you really want to stay in your situation, my advice is to rebuild that garage into something truly livable.

    Here's a good example

    https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/615

    Replies: @Joe862

    I’m sure I’d prefer my stereo to that one. The ultra high end is never interesting. Just the stupid rich buying the best. I’m not sure how they know it’s the best. It’s the most expensive, the most flashy, and a kid told them it was the best? I prefer my 1 car garage to that by a mile.

  302. @JohnnyWalker123
    @R.G. Camara

    Honestly, from what I've seen, the majority of men are totally "whipped" by their female partners.

    Most guys debase themselves just to get OCCASIONAL starfish sex from a reluctant female partner.

    Unfortunately, this problem is getting worse. Most women have an extremely large number of options on online dating sites (Tinder, OkCupid, etc), while men struggle to get any matches. So single men have become very desperate, while women have become highly demanding. This is especially true for young people.

    If the guy tries to assert himself at all in the relationship, his girlfriend can quickly dump him and find an option on Tinder within a few hours.

    Lots of young men have been reduced to involuntary celibacy ("Incel"). Even "Normie" young men have to debase themselves to the max just to get some action. The youth dating scene is absolutely brutal these days.

    Nowadays, the only men who get any respect in relationships are good-looking & popular "Chads." Everyone else has to beg for scraps or risk becoming "Incel."

    In the past, a man could learn "pick up artistry" (PUA) and use various techniques to seduce women. Nowadays, unless you're very good-looking & desirable, using these techniques could get you accused of sexual harassment. It's also very hard to use these techniques on Tinder or social media. For all these reasons, interest in PUA has collapsed. Most PUA sites/blogs/forums have closed or faded into irrelevance.

    Dating has never been a fun experience for men, but it has never been as bad (especially for young men) as it is now. You can "thank" Tinder, social media, smartphones, and various new technologies for this. You can also "thank" #MeToo.

    Replies: @Onebelowall

    Read this article and some of the comments by our female members:

    https://www.unz.com/article/consider-the-white-woman/

  303. @MEH 0910
    @Rosie


    If I’m out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them.
     
    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Achmed E. Newman

    Apparently, the only kind she could land.

    Earth to Rosie: there are millions of losers of both sexes. Why not just avoid them?

    Choose wisely (or even just competently) and you won’t feel it necessary to spend thousands of hours on the internet complaining about your poor choices, not to mention blaming all men for those choices.

  304. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    By the strictest terms, one. But that leaves out several caught planning and a lot who murdered just under the threshold or not all at once. I'm not interested in the murder, I'm interested in the eugenics, and a foiled mass shooter (or a serial killer, or a murderer of two or three victims) is the same thing as a mass murderer for this purpose.
    I just realized that the Supreme Gentleman attacked people at different locations (4 in fact, one of which was the town in general), so, if you really wanted to be a lawyer about it, I guess he's not a mass murderer after all.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    By the strictest terms, one.

    Next time, don’t exaggerate.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    I didn't. You didn't touch my argument or my criteria. From the point of view of a father, a foiled school shooter is the same thing as a successful spree killer. I'm not a coroner, my concern isn't the dead bodies.

  305. @John Johnson
    @epebble

    I really don’t get the appeal of Asian women

    Lower probability of losing children and ending up in the poorhouse?

    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It's one of those strange but true medical facts that isn't allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn't be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.

    Replies: @epebble, @Twinkie

    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It’s one of those strange but true medical facts that isn’t allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn’t be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.

    This is complete nonsense.

    And epebble is referring to this:

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    Your chart demonstrates part of his point, insofar as he's wrong it's in not going into detail about "race."

    , @epebble
    @Twinkie

    Wow! What I thought as empirical observation being shown as precise as Newton's Law!

  306. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I'm real impressed.

    I've been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines. The boys from these marriages were normally short and confused looking. The dads clearly went for the Asian comfort woman look without considering the offspring. An entire military base of supreme gentlemen offspring. Thanks a lot US gov and horny military guys.

    As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    That's a single country and they are still smaller than Whites. Average female height globally is 5'3 so it doesn't take much to be in the top 1/3.

    Average Vietnamese female height is 5.1.

    Average Japanese height is 5.2.

    Cherry picking a single company doesn't negate the average.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’ve been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines.

    And that’s not an anecdote?

    For every enlisted bringing home a hungry Filipina as a wife stateside, there are probably 10 white guys marrying East Asian girls from Yale or UCLA who played water polo or golf in high school.

    You wrote of “geisha dolls.” Listen, pal, this isn’t the 1950’s. It’s not even the 1980’s.

    The average height of younger Northeast Asians (esp. Koreans and northern Chinese) is about an inch shorter than white American counterparts.* You using poor Filipinas as an example is like telling Americans not to marry Europeans such as Germans or Swedes (“because short children”), because Sicilians and Greeks are short.

    Here is the thing. You wrote “Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men.” I don’t have to prove the opposite with a large sampling. I just have to falsify your silly statement.

    Here is a little personal anecdote for you. I am 6′ 2″. My Midwestern white wife is 5′ 9″. All but one of my children are in the 90+% percentile in height (compared to white American growth chart). The remaining one is in the 80’s.

    Those Siberian genes + modern, high-protein, high-calcium diet does wonders for the height.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    Wait a minute, are you not paying attention to WMAF vs AMWF? You're actually angrily defending otaks because of a conflation.
    My ancestors are laughing with me at your anger, can you say the same?
    -----
    [Assuming:] WMAF could potentially be good, but stereotypically (and often in life) certain tendencies predispose it to be bad, essentially because of a lowered bar. AMWF is the opposite (to include in potential and life -- you can't really talk about stereotype here because it has no representation in pop culture apart from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend) for the same reason, a higher bar. So the lesson is to raise or maintain a high bar in selecting a mate.
    Also, I'm prepared to be wrong about this but in what time period and dimension is UCLA STEM eugenic breeding material outnumbering enlisted sufferers of yellow fever? The latter group has to be bigger.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  307. @Brutusale
    @zoos


    Most of the trouble in the world is primarily fomented by willful fat-chickery.
     
    She deals with being the "skinny bitch" swimming in a sea of jealously snippy she-cow nurses at work. As the lone slim, attractive older woman in her unit, she deals with unwanted attention from co-workers, patients, visitors, etc. Every year she does a charity bike ride from Boston to Provincetown to raise money for MS, and she constantly has to deal with new members of her team hitting on her, though that's way down since I went to the post-ride party last year!

    As a friend of hers said once, after watching the other nurses in the meeting give her the grimacing once-over when she walked in wearing a cute skirt under her lab coat, her problem is that it's OK to look like her at 30, but not at 60.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Nurses can make very good wives, from my experience. They have many traits that you’d want in a female partner.

  308. @Twinkie
    @J.Ross


    By the strictest terms, one.
     
    Next time, don't exaggerate.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I didn’t. You didn’t touch my argument or my criteria. From the point of view of a father, a foiled school shooter is the same thing as a successful spree killer. I’m not a coroner, my concern isn’t the dead bodies.

  309. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    I’ve been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines.
     
    And that's not an anecdote?

    For every enlisted bringing home a hungry Filipina as a wife stateside, there are probably 10 white guys marrying East Asian girls from Yale or UCLA who played water polo or golf in high school.

    You wrote of "geisha dolls." Listen, pal, this isn't the 1950's. It's not even the 1980's.

    The average height of younger Northeast Asians (esp. Koreans and northern Chinese) is about an inch shorter than white American counterparts.* You using poor Filipinas as an example is like telling Americans not to marry Europeans such as Germans or Swedes ("because short children"), because Sicilians and Greeks are short.

    Here is the thing. You wrote "Asian women don’t normally have genes for tall or muscular men." I don't have to prove the opposite with a large sampling. I just have to falsify your silly statement.

    Here is a little personal anecdote for you. I am 6' 2". My Midwestern white wife is 5' 9". All but one of my children are in the 90+% percentile in height (compared to white American growth chart). The remaining one is in the 80's.

    Those Siberian genes + modern, high-protein, high-calcium diet does wonders for the height.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Wait a minute, are you not paying attention to WMAF vs AMWF? You’re actually angrily defending otaks because of a conflation.
    My ancestors are laughing with me at your anger, can you say the same?
    —–
    [Assuming:] WMAF could potentially be good, but stereotypically (and often in life) certain tendencies predispose it to be bad, essentially because of a lowered bar. AMWF is the opposite (to include in potential and life — you can’t really talk about stereotype here because it has no representation in pop culture apart from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend) for the same reason, a higher bar. So the lesson is to raise or maintain a high bar in selecting a mate.
    Also, I’m prepared to be wrong about this but in what time period and dimension is UCLA STEM eugenic breeding material outnumbering enlisted sufferers of yellow fever? The latter group has to be bigger.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @J.Ross


    You’re actually angrily defending otaks because of a conflation.
    My ancestors are laughing with me at your anger, can you say the same?
     
    I don't get angry at stupid people (I just correct them). You seem to want to be included in that group since you attempted to engage in "argumentation by remote internet psych analysis."

    If you want a serious discussion with me, don't do that.

    UCLA STEM eugenic breeding material outnumbering enlisted sufferers of yellow fever? The latter group has to be bigger.
     
    There are a heck lot more college students than there are enlisted men in the armed forces.
  310. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It’s one of those strange but true medical facts that isn’t allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn’t be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.
     
    This is complete nonsense.

    And epebble is referring to this:

    https://preview.redd.it/hsfpuvqmr5221.jpg?auto=webp&s=dd5e5be6d9ade521650daecd7a1009b5f1948cc4

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

    Your chart demonstrates part of his point, insofar as he’s wrong it’s in not going into detail about “race.”

  311. @MEH 0910
    @Rosie


    If I’m out doing the grocery shopping, and you make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the kids, put the lid back on the peanut butter and put the other lid back on the jelly. Ideally, put both items back where you got them.
     
    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Achmed E. Newman

    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?

    Hey, my wife is not an animal! Well, usually the lid is back on, but it’s cross-threaded and loose, and the jar is in an entirely different place, unless it was dumb luck. Stickers from fruit end up stuck to whatever’s handy, even if 2′ from the trash can. However, I could explain this behavior without even using psychology.

    It’s OK, I’m sure she could come on here and trash talk a few habits of mine too. Is that you, honey? Going by the handle Rosie? Oh, sorry we had that little tiff – I didn’t know it was you.

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Achmed E. Newman

    HDD Great Scenes: "I am not an animal!" | Police Squad! In Color - Blu-ray
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFgS-LR0lo


    If you thought The Naked Gun Trilogy was all Frank Drebin brought to the screen - you're missing out on one of the best shows to never get past Episode Six! The complete series is now on Blu-ray in a single disc set featuring a terrific A/V presentation and a bunch of bonus features.
    High-Def Digest Blu-ray Review:
    https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/81692/policesquadthecompleteseries.html

    Sight gags and non-sequiturs dominate this spoof of police dramas. The six episodes formed the basis for the very successful "Naked Gun" film franchise.
     
  312. @Bel Riose
    Too many men spend the bulk of their lives attempting to placate a female, hoping to motivate her to act reasonably, or -- failing that -- to at least shut up.

    When you really sit down and think about it, it's depressing as hell.

    All those wasted years!

    There was an ancient Greek philosopher who said that intellectually and morally, women were somewhere between infants and adults.

    He was right.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    There was an ancient Greek philosopher who said that intellectually and morally, women were somewhere between infants and adults.

    There was an ancient Beatles singer who said something like that…

  313. @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar

    The races/sexes are all wrong ("#hiredhelptoowhite").

    Butler: Should be black if really old school (in America).

    Fixer: Should be a crusty old white guy who's "seen things."

    Chef: Should be some meticulous East Asian guy who'll make fusion food.

    Housekeeper: Hispanic. The fatter the better.

    Maternity Nurse: Filipina. With a thick accent.

    Chauffeur: Used to be an older black man, but with all the black traffic fatalities these days, you probably want an old, super cautious, Indian (dot, not feather) man, preferably wearing something tailored in New Delhi to (borderline) resemble something tailored on Savile Row. Or, if feeling particularly adventurous, some Pakistani guy who's been driving Uber for 5 years and has a 4.97 Platinum rating.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Tex, @Prof. Woland

    Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French,
    the mechanics German, the lovers Italian, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

    Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss,
    the police German, and it is all organized by the Italians.

    Author Unknown

  314. @Twinkie
    @John Johnson


    Interracial couples are actually more likely to suffer miscarriages. It’s one of those strange but true medical facts that isn’t allowed to be discussed in the mainstream.

    Shouldn’t be a surprise since with dog breeding you are more likely to have miscarriages if the breeds are distant.
     
    This is complete nonsense.

    And epebble is referring to this:

    https://preview.redd.it/hsfpuvqmr5221.jpg?auto=webp&s=dd5e5be6d9ade521650daecd7a1009b5f1948cc4

    Replies: @J.Ross, @epebble

    Wow! What I thought as empirical observation being shown as precise as Newton’s Law!

  315. @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910


    What kind of an animal walks away without putting the lids back on the peanut butter and jelly and putting the jelly back in the fridge?
     
    Hey, my wife is not an animal! Well, usually the lid is back on, but it's cross-threaded and loose, and the jar is in an entirely different place, unless it was dumb luck. Stickers from fruit end up stuck to whatever's handy, even if 2' from the trash can. However, I could explain this behavior without even using psychology.

    It's OK, I'm sure she could come on here and trash talk a few habits of mine too. Is that you, honey? Going by the handle Rosie? Oh, sorry we had that little tiff - I didn't know it was you.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    HDD Great Scenes: “I am not an animal!” | Police Squad! In Color – Blu-ray

    [MORE]

    If you thought The Naked Gun Trilogy was all Frank Drebin brought to the screen – you’re missing out on one of the best shows to never get past Episode Six! The complete series is now on Blu-ray in a single disc set featuring a terrific A/V presentation and a bunch of bonus features.
    High-Def Digest Blu-ray Review:
    https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/81692/policesquadthecompleteseries.html

    Sight gags and non-sequiturs dominate this spoof of police dramas. The six episodes formed the basis for the very successful “Naked Gun” film franchise.

  316. @John Johnson
    @Twinkie

    And these women seem to make these sons:

    Wow some pictures of Asians with abs. I'm real impressed.

    I've been to a military base where it was common for Whites to bring back a wife from the Philippines. The boys from these marriages were normally short and confused looking. The dads clearly went for the Asian comfort woman look without considering the offspring. An entire military base of supreme gentlemen offspring. Thanks a lot US gov and horny military guys.

    As a result, South Korean women moved from the fifth shortest to the top tertile of tallest women in the world over the course of a century. Men in South Korea also had large gains relative to other countries, by 15.2 cm (12.3–18.1). [Boldface mine.]

    That's a single country and they are still smaller than Whites. Average female height globally is 5'3 so it doesn't take much to be in the top 1/3.

    Average Vietnamese female height is 5.1.

    Average Japanese height is 5.2.

    Cherry picking a single company doesn't negate the average.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Updated data here from Lancet (2020) Height and body-mass index trajectories of school-aged children and adolescents from 1985 to 2019 in 200 countries and territories

    From Supplementary Material. For both PRC and SK average height for 19 year old male is now 175 cm, and still upward trending. For the West and Japan its been flat–
    Given sizeable Chinese regional variation, this implies northern Chinese province youths are already the same height as white/black Americans. Honestly I hope this forum can move beyond this topic. The problem for many Chinese was never physical height but spiritual, in so far as consigning sheepishly to every-15-minute PCR tests and clapping synchronously for Emperor Xi.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  317. The problem for many Chinese was never physical height ….

    When did the axiom shift from IQ to “physical height”? That is like changing space-time to mass in physics. I thought The Bell Curve is the Euclid’s Elements for this forum.

  318. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    Wait a minute, are you not paying attention to WMAF vs AMWF? You're actually angrily defending otaks because of a conflation.
    My ancestors are laughing with me at your anger, can you say the same?
    -----
    [Assuming:] WMAF could potentially be good, but stereotypically (and often in life) certain tendencies predispose it to be bad, essentially because of a lowered bar. AMWF is the opposite (to include in potential and life -- you can't really talk about stereotype here because it has no representation in pop culture apart from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend) for the same reason, a higher bar. So the lesson is to raise or maintain a high bar in selecting a mate.
    Also, I'm prepared to be wrong about this but in what time period and dimension is UCLA STEM eugenic breeding material outnumbering enlisted sufferers of yellow fever? The latter group has to be bigger.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You’re actually angrily defending otaks because of a conflation.
    My ancestors are laughing with me at your anger, can you say the same?

    I don’t get angry at stupid people (I just correct them). You seem to want to be included in that group since you attempted to engage in “argumentation by remote internet psych analysis.”

    If you want a serious discussion with me, don’t do that.

    UCLA STEM eugenic breeding material outnumbering enlisted sufferers of yellow fever? The latter group has to be bigger.

    There are a heck lot more college students than there are enlisted men in the armed forces.

  319. @Tex
    @Twinkie

    There's no gamekeeper. How else shall one prevent poaching of pheasants on one's estate?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    There’s no gamekeeper. How else shall one prevent poaching of pheasants on one’s estate?

    I like to shoot the poachers myself, don’t you?

  320. @Anonymous
    As a husband with a stay-at-home wife, when I hear this stuff about wanting me to help around the house more, I say: "Ok, so you want me to do a full-time paid job AND you want me to do your job as well? How does that work? How the hell am I supposed to do that?" Particularly irritating is when she gets me to do something she does 99% of the time, I come in cold, and then get berated for not knowing how to do the job or doing it not to her specifications.

    Replies: @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Rosie, @The Plutonium Kid

    When she starts complaining about you not helping out around the house, complain about her not helping you out around the office.

  321. @R.G. Camara
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Always was weirded out that Julia Sweeney was in this scene. Was the only part of the film that took me out the movie. She was already pretty known from SNL (she was Pat) and she doesn't do much acting here, seems like a role she just got 5 minutes before and did poorly. But at least Keitel is implied to have banged her.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    I just figured it out: the reason a tuxedo-wearing fixer who drives an Acura NSX is taking a junk yard owner’s daughter out for breakfast–despite her looking no better than upper tier junk yard owner’s daughters–is to make sure he has a convenient junk yard.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Also, on paper they aren't a bad couple. The Wolf, who is clearly financially well off and powerful, makes mention a few times about being older than either hitmen or the girl, and Sweeney was a decent-looking-but-not-hot younger woman.

    If you were an older fixer who liked being discreet and wanted a loyal young gf who had some looks, and also needed a place to stash bodies, it would be a good match.

  322. @John Johnson
    @Lagertha

    Feminists don’t want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80’s), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    Women are terrible at hobbies. When they get older they sit around and fret.

    If they don't have a family then they go bonkers.

    Society would be better off admitting this and stop encouraging women to get all these social science and humanities degrees.

    College is good but not when most degrees are 4-6 years of White guilt and debt.

    Where I used to work we would sometimes higher office assistants. It really is a job for someone with a 2 year degree. Low paying and it is assumed your husband has a job with benefits. If you put out an ad for an office assistant you would get like 100 applications from college educated White women and at least a quarter would have a masters degree.

    Modern Western society is so f-cking stupid. We literally spend billions to make White women bitter and load them up with debt. They come out of college believing that "the man" held back Wakanda and then they learn that a cushy $80k job isn't waiting for them. The bitterness has a negative impact on male/female relationships. They really believe that everything would be better if not for White men. Someone else would have invented air conditioning and tampons if White men didn't impose their cruelty on everyone. They really believe this. The Zulu would have created television for them.

    I am happily married but I don't delude myself about female nature. They aren't men with boobs and society needs to recognize that. Currently society is trying to pretend that women are actually men and and men are just assholes.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

    love your comment: survive. The next year will be awful.

  323. @Mark G.
    @Thomm


    Rosie’s only ‘argument’ is that ‘these men don’t realize they will be lonely when they are older!’.
     
    I just turned 66. I found when I became older that loneliness is not an issue because there is a surplus rather than shortage of women at my age. Statistically, a higher percentage of women are married under the age of 45 but after 45 a higher percentage of men are married. Attractive young women have taken some of the older successful men and men die younger so there are not enough older men to go around for all the older women.

    So, if I want to, I could find someone. Many older women, though, have a lifetime of bad choices behind them and have multiple health, financial and family relationship issues in their old age. It's best not to commit to a serious relationship with them because then their problems become my problems. It's really women who need to find someone when they are young. Many guys my age in a relationship are only in it because a female lured them into the relationship back when she was young and attractive, and the men are still in it out of habit or because they formed an emotional attachment to her after being with her for so many years.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    I have noticed, even among U.S. people who are not particularly well off, they engage in serial marriage, just like Hollywood stars, and well into late middle-age.

    For the men, the motive seems to be a terrible fear of being called ‘faggots’ if single, money for the women.

    U.S. statistics are often collected on the same principle, counting any man not currently married as homosexual. Weird!

    • Agree: Mark G.
  324. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @R.G. Camara

    I just figured it out: the reason a tuxedo-wearing fixer who drives an Acura NSX is taking a junk yard owner's daughter out for breakfast--despite her looking no better than upper tier junk yard owner's daughters--is to make sure he has a convenient junk yard.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Also, on paper they aren’t a bad couple. The Wolf, who is clearly financially well off and powerful, makes mention a few times about being older than either hitmen or the girl, and Sweeney was a decent-looking-but-not-hot younger woman.

    If you were an older fixer who liked being discreet and wanted a loyal young gf who had some looks, and also needed a place to stash bodies, it would be a good match.

  325. @John Johnson
    @Lagertha

    Feminists don’t want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80’s), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    Women are terrible at hobbies. When they get older they sit around and fret.

    If they don't have a family then they go bonkers.

    Society would be better off admitting this and stop encouraging women to get all these social science and humanities degrees.

    College is good but not when most degrees are 4-6 years of White guilt and debt.

    Where I used to work we would sometimes higher office assistants. It really is a job for someone with a 2 year degree. Low paying and it is assumed your husband has a job with benefits. If you put out an ad for an office assistant you would get like 100 applications from college educated White women and at least a quarter would have a masters degree.

    Modern Western society is so f-cking stupid. We literally spend billions to make White women bitter and load them up with debt. They come out of college believing that "the man" held back Wakanda and then they learn that a cushy $80k job isn't waiting for them. The bitterness has a negative impact on male/female relationships. They really believe that everything would be better if not for White men. Someone else would have invented air conditioning and tampons if White men didn't impose their cruelty on everyone. They really believe this. The Zulu would have created television for them.

    I am happily married but I don't delude myself about female nature. They aren't men with boobs and society needs to recognize that. Currently society is trying to pretend that women are actually men and and men are just assholes.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

    I have 3 gorgeous men in their 20’s …so, I am obsessed with this – your comments were so good! I am pushing two of my sons to move abroad (my country, or wherever) bc American young women are too messed up & too materialistic. My sons may not get those jobs, while youngish, to pay for Haute Couture and Euro cars. The relief is: they don’t like those bitches! – they like the Mountain girls!!!!!!!! and the hikers and snowboarders, the horse ridin’ girls, the hunters, the fly-fishing girls.

  326. @Lagertha
    Feminists don't want, have never, will never, have husbands to boss around! They all got blue pilled in HS & College and will remain spinsters or worse, after the Coof, infertile. I know boatloads of women I graduated with (80's), that are messed up loners (most are divorced) who just complain the moment they lift their ugly, old head off the pillow.

    I never go to my college reunions because the women are ugly as shit and the men are hen-pecked skinny shit dudes who ARE SO EWWWW. None of them are fun to hang around with, and like, have a serious drink with (the women are quick to say "I don't drink") so, I stopped going to my Privileged, Eastcoast, Private Uni reunions because they were so fucking BORING.

    I never wanted to go there/Uni on the East Coast. I got into UCSB but my dad was ill and did not want me to be so far away. History is cruel and sweet at the same time.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Lagertha

    you are a treasure!

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