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From Foreign Policy:

It’s Africa’s Century—for Better or Worse

Asia gets the attention, but the real economic revolution is the inevitable growth of an overlooked continent.

MAY 13, 2022, 3:49 AM

Adam Tooze is a columnist at Foreign Policy and a history professor and director of the European Institute at Columbia University. His latest book is Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises Changed the World , and he is currently working on a history of the climate crisis. Twitter: @adam_tooze

In the coming decades, we face a revolutionary shift in the balance of world affairs—and it is likely not the one you are thinking of.

Since the 1990s, the idea that we might be entering an “Asian century” has preoccupied and disorientated the West. …

If the economic recovery of China and India was the great shock of the first quarter of the 21st century, the next decades have another revolution in store for us: the astonishing demographic transformation of Africa.

… Africa’s total population today is some 1.4 billion—an increase of more than tenfold over the course of a mere century—and it is set to rise further in the coming decades.

As Edward Paice explains in his important book Youthquake: Why African Demography Should Matter to the World, demographic prediction is an uncertain business. But it is unlikely that Africa will not reach 2.2 billion to 2.5 billion inhabitants by 2050.

In other words, But it is likely that Africa will reach 2.2 billion to 2.5 billion inhabitants by 2050.

That means, at midcentury, Africa will likely account for just shy of 25 percent of the global population, more than three times its share in 1914.

In the 2040s alone, it is likely that in the order of 566 million children will be born in Africa. Around midcentury, African births will outnumber those in Asia, and Africans will constitute the largest population of people of prime working age anywhere in the world.

… Of course, forecasting decades into the future is a speculative business. But if we take the United Nations’ central forecast as our collective best guess, we should expect the population of Africa by 2100 to exceed 4.2 billion, at which point Africans will constitute as much as 40 percent of the world’s population. That would be far short of Asia’s 60 percent share today, but it would constitute a revolution, nevertheless.

The sheer scale of Africa’s demographic momentum may come as a surprise. This results from the fact that a long-forecast demographic transition has been happening in Africa at a far slower pace than was expected even a few years ago. …

As Paice shows, it is foolish to generalize about a continent as vast and diverse as Africa. In North Africa, Morocco, Tunisia, and Libya have undergone demographic transitions as rapid as anywhere in the world. South Africa, too, has seen a spectacular drop in fertility, as have Malawi and Rwanda. At the same time, however, in Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Tanzania, Uganda, and Sudan, the transition is proceeding at a leaden pace. …

As Paice explains, in many African societies the failure to extend education for girls and to empower women accounts for high fertility rates. But in large parts of West and East Africa, the desired family size remains in excess of five children. Niger is not by accident the country with world’s highest population growth. Women there report wanting to have nine or more children, whereas men claim to want to have 13.

In some places, notably in Ethiopia’s capital of Addis Ababa, urbanization has gone hand in hand with falling fertility rates. But much depends on the type of urbanization. Nigeria has a similar rate of urbanization as Thailand and Indonesia but a total fertility rate that is three times as high.

… All told, 20 percent of all maternal deaths worldwide happen in Nigeria. …

Of course, it cannot be ruled out that the pace of the transition will suddenly pick up. Africa’s population may stabilize in the same way India’s and China’s are. But over the next 30 years, the momentum is well-nigh unstoppable. The mothers of the children to be born in the 2030s and 2040s have, themselves, already been born. Unless the fertility of those girls diverges in truly radical ways from that of their mothers, an African continent of around 2.4 billion to 2.5 billion inhabitants is the most likely scenario for 2050. Nigeria will be in the lead, with a population somewhere between 350 million and 440 million, most likely larger than that of the United States.

Not if the Nigerians move to the United States.

Given the sheer scale of these numbers, discussions of African demography tend to evoke heated reactions. On the one hand, there is doom-mongering and thinly veiled racial anxiety about the prospect of tidal waves of African migrants heading north to Europe.

But, of course, there couldn’t possibly come about tidal waves of African migrants heading north to Europe because [reasons TK].

On the other hand, there is the euphoria of “Africa rising” and the promise of youthful and dynamic societies reaping the benefits of what demographers call the “demographic dividend,” the phase in which a national economy enjoys the benefit of having a large share of working-age people.

Either way, the simple fact of the matter is that we have no experience to go on. A scenario in which Africans make up a quarter or more of the world’s population is something new under the sun. And the challenges are immense.

In 2018, prior to the pandemic, Nigeria overtook India as the country in the world with the largest number of absolutely poor citizens. Remarkably, despite the country’s natural resources and its well-deserved reputation as a center of entrepreneurial talent, Nigeria’s GDP per capita has not risen substantially above the level it reached in the late 1970s.

Nigeria holds the dubious distinction of being one of the economies in the world with the highest dollar amount of GDP per kilowatt of electrical grid capacity. That is both a testimony to the improvisational genius of Nigerians and an indictment of the failure to build adequate infrastructure. A country that is a major producer of oil but has no adequate domestic refinery capacity and generates much of its electricity by burning imported diesel fuel is, to put it mildly, failing to make the best of its possibilities.

Africa isn’t going to generate enough electricity to power air conditioning and Teslas, but it seems not impossible for village solar power entrepreneurs to generate enough electricity to keep smartphones charged, probably less by wiring an electrical grid (an organizational challenge even for South Africa) than by having customers drop off yesterday’s depleted battery and pick up today’s charged battery, in much the way that even anarchic Somalia keeps cell phone networks serviced.

Nigeria poses in stark form questions that afflict the entire continent. How can Africa’s burgeoning cities obtain the infrastructure and services their inhabitants desperately need?

Across the continent, more than 640 million Africans have no access to electric power, implying the lowest rate of access to electricity—40 percent—in the world. According to the African Development Bank, per capita consumption of energy in sub-Saharan Africa (excluding South Africa) is 180 kilowatt-hours (kWh), compared with 13,000 kWh per capita in the United States and 6,500 kWh in Europe.

… The World Bank estimates that problems including chronic water shortages may force the internal migration of more than 80 million Africans in coming decades.

But NOT the external migration of Africans. That just won’t happen, because Bad People think it will happen. And how do we know they are Bad People? Because they think that there will be substantial external migration of Africans.

The scale of funding needs is immense. In 2018, the African Development Bank estimated an investment requirement of \$130 billion to \$170 billion per year to achieve, by the mid-2020s, complete electrification, universal access to basic water and sanitation, repairing and extending the road system, and ensuring cellphone coverage, with at least 50 percent of the population within 25 kilometers (15 miles) of a fiber-optic backbone network.

Elon Musk’s Starlink has put 2,200 satellites in low-Earth orbit to provide Internet to 32 countries, including Ukraine since two days after the Russian invasion.

One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it. It used to be that a landline telephone network, like the one the Bell System provided admirably in the U.S., required so much organizational excellence and cultural capital that even the Italians, much less the Russians, could barely manage it.

But nowadays, an African-American genius can start a company that builds cheap rockets that put thousands of satellites in orbit to create a network so that a white country can (remotely) plug into into while being bombarded by the Russian Army and use it to bombard back. It’s not unreasonable to hope that black countries, to the extent that they can maintain peace in the countryside, can use solar power and possibilities like Starlink to connect most everybody eventually to the Internet.

Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet, enabling practically everybody in Nigeria to watch soccer and send us emails about how my father the god-emperor Mbube left me \$100 million but I am willing to split it with you. The BBC reported in 2020: “Today, over 100 million Nigerians are now connected to the internet, with 250,000 new subscribers logging on in the last quarter of 2019, according to data from the Nigerian Communications Commission.” Nobody knows precisely what the population of Nigeria is, but the first estimate I saw was 206 million in 2020.

… Indeed, the only example of development to high-middle-income status in sub-Saharan Africa is South Africa, and given its colonial and apartheid roots, it is hardly an example that anyone would wish to emulate. Today, South Africa is afflicted by creaking infrastructure, civil unrest, and mass unemployment.

The days are gone in which anyone would confidently recommend one particular development model. The economic success stories of recent years have followed different paths with far more government involvement in Ethiopia and more market-driven models in Ghana and Kenya. But it is hard to see any economic policy succeeding for long where there are not basic supplies of power, water and basic education. And those needs are in turn linked to the rapidly growing size of the population.

In other words, Professor Tooze is is hinting that the the ongoing Great Replacement of the Earth’s shrinking white population by a booming black population would be a world-historic disaster. The same hints have been offered by hyper-insiders like Emmanuel Macron, Bill Gates, and John Kerry, but in the current ideological zeitgeist of Good Guys Black, Bad Guys White, their subtle suggestions have been ignored.

 
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  1. The great benefactor of the third world knew this, but nobody would listen…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

    Norman Ernest Borlaug was an American agronomist who led initiatives worldwide that contributed to the extensive increases in agricultural production termed the Green Revolution. Borlaug was awarded multiple honors for his work, including the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.
    …………………………………………
    Besides increasing the worldwide food supply, early in his career Borlaug stated that taking steps to decrease the rate of population growth will also be necessary to prevent food shortages. In his Nobel Lecture of 1970, Borlaug stated, “Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the ‘Population Monster’ … If it continues to increase at the estimated present rate of two percent a year, the world population will reach 6.5 billion by the year 2000 (my remark- more). Currently, with each second, or tick of the clock, about 2.2 additional people are added to the world population. The rhythm of increase will accelerate to 2.7, 3.3, and 4.0 for each tick of the clock by 1980, 1990, and 2000, respectively, unless man becomes more realistic and preoccupied about this impending doom. The tick-tock of the clock will continually grow louder and more menacing each decade. Where will it all end?”

    • Thanks: silviosilver, Polistra
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Trying to reduce the growth of the black population with family planning and birth control is racist---didn't you know that?

    Ultimately, Africans are more than willing to accept Western foreign aid, but they sure as hell don't want to be told by whitey to cut back on their reproductive success. Hell, they are winners in the evolutionary sweepstakes while whitey appears to be big time losers.

    As long as the white world offers a safety valve to the irresponsible behavior of Africans, the irresponsible behavior will continue.

    We have banished at least three of the four horseman of the apocalypse from Africa with science and technology, but sadly we cannot impregnate common sense into Africans any more than we can for delusional white liberals.

    , @SMK
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Better or worse"? imagine a nonwhite-majority USA of 500-600 million people with 100-200 million blacks. For whites, an increasingly powerless, dispossessed, and persecuted minority, in what sense would the US be a "better" country? I would be "worse," obviously, far, far, far worse, catastrophically and apocalyptically so.

    Myriads as opposed to hundreds of whites would be murdered by blacks every year, and millions as opposed to thousands of white females would be raped and gang-raped by blacks, and envision the number of assaults, muggings, armed robberies, home invasions, etc. Atrocities like the Knoxville horror and Wichita massacre and Zebra killings would occur who knows how many times a year and perhaps even monthly. Racially integrated jails and prisons and schools would be far more hellish for whites than they are today and have been since the 1960s. Imagine the black-on-white harassment, bullying, degradation, brutality, terror, assaults, gang rapes, murders.

    And envisage what life would be like for whites in the UK and the nations of Western Europe, and perhaps even Eastern Europe, with tens of millions of blacks and tens of millions of Muslims, overwhelmingly low-IQ young males.

    , @mousey
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Wasn't there someone who gave the Sierra Club a very large donation with the stipulation that they never express concerns about over-population again?

  2. Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The dark continent is a labyrinth of modern pseudo-colonies, warlord strongholds, charity empires, and government over-regulation. Has there been a single economy in modern Africa that was even close to "free market"? There's a correct answer to this by the way, and it's far more devastating than a "no," although it's also comical to contemplate the runners-up, which are infamous examples of government interference.

    , @bomag
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.
     
    Well, they've had Moses and the prophets and 200,000 yrs.; the reliable result has been the ghetto.

    Of which they try to escape, while NGOs etc. pump resources into.

    While a chunk of modern life has become placating and avoiding the Black man.

    He who plays the avoidance game best, wins.
    , @Bill Jones
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world.
     
    Didn't we have one for about 10,000 years ending about 500 years ago?

    Seemed to work just fine.
    , @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is one simple solution to nearly all of Africa's problems re: economics.

    Property rights.

    That is, legally protected and fairly arbitrated and enforced property rights.

    Africa is the continent with the worst record and status here. Are property rights (for individuals, private business) enforced like that anywhere there? No.

    Instead with have neo-tribal oligarchies, dictatorships, military junta rule and semi democracies where governments arbitrarily change laws, raise taxes, confiscate property and assets and generally ignore western or (modern) eastern property rights.

    We often see do-gooders like Gates and Oprah and others of that ilk claim to start business "incubators" and the like in Africa. They last a few years at most. Success is punished by cronyism and confiscation by various means. "Getting rich" in Africa means political thievery. Secure investment for billions there is extremely difficult.

    Russia has a similar problem. China also though there is an intellectual recognition that "communism" and socialism doesn't work. Average people in China over-invest in housing property (though seldom land ownership, which isn't secure or even possible in many respects) instead of stocks or productive assets. The low trust here turns China into a 19th century relic economically other that its export driven and protected industries.

    A Rule of Law enforced along with the related property rights are needed. Vague claims of something for nothing or politically directed government control of assets isn't property rights.

    Private ownership of capital is the engine of wealth, no matter where.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Wokechoke

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is a model that works for them. At least it worked for them. It's 1750 and a population of 82M.

    The entire global population increase since is attributable to technology. Africans are largely incapable of maintaining technology or the orginazational forms necessary to deploy it. They are certainly not capable of the substantial innovation that will become necessary in order to maintain today's living standards amid dwindling easy energy reserves, much less shouldering the increased burden of billions more of them.

    The solution is obvious and natural: The African population will starve, slaughter and plague its way back to the natural tech-free carrying capacity, perhaps taking the show on the road.

    It'll be something to watch years of the effeminate West's feed-the-deer morality create a working approximation to hell.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    , @Anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Most of Africa doesn't have "Free market economics".

  3. “a company that builds cheap rockets that put thousands of satellites in orbit”

    Which is an absolute pain for those who like to look at and photograph the night sky, or even do it for a living.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution

    I’m told by the Guardian that 10% of world wheat supplies come from Ukraine and are blocked.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/russian-blockade-grain-exports-ukraine-ports-g7

    At the same time fuel and fertiliser prices are soaring.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-war-ukraine-fueling-spike-200000535.html

    I can see trouble in Egypt, the breadbasket of the Roman Empire now being more of a food-importing basket-case.

    I can see another Merkel’s Millions scenario being developed right in front of us.

    Although Steve rightfully criticised Merkel, did he ever criticise the US/UK trashing of Syria and Libya which were the initiators?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Consider the fact that he blames Putin for the Ukrainian situation.

    , @Thea
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes, it has always been a major point of his. “Invite the world, invade the world.”

  4. …the simple fact of the matter is that we have no experience to go on. [as to whether the rising African population will stay home and build better; or migrate away]

    I’d say we have plenty of experience.

    ______________________________________________________________

    There is a vein of fear that modern science will give us a bomb; a bug; or a poison that will destroy us all. In the running now: modern medicine has allowed the least capable among us to reproduce prodigiously, giving us a population bomb that negates nice things.

    • Replies: @jsm
    @bomag


    One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it
     
    Not a reason for optimism. Read Cyril M. Kornbluth's The Little Black Bag https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluth-littleblack/kornbluth-littleblack-00-h.html
    , @jay
    @bomag

    Until all Drugs except for herbals somehow disappear over time permanently.

  5. @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    The dark continent is a labyrinth of modern pseudo-colonies, warlord strongholds, charity empires, and government over-regulation. Has there been a single economy in modern Africa that was even close to “free market”? There’s a correct answer to this by the way, and it’s far more devastating than a “no,” although it’s also comical to contemplate the runners-up, which are infamous examples of government interference.

    • Agree: Muggles
  6. @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Well, they’ve had Moses and the prophets and 200,000 yrs.; the reliable result has been the ghetto.

    Of which they try to escape, while NGOs etc. pump resources into.

    While a chunk of modern life has become placating and avoiding the Black man.

    He who plays the avoidance game best, wins.

  7. In other words, But it is likely that Africa will reach 2.2 billion to 2.5 billion inhabitants by 2050.

    The processing of anthropoid biomass will be a growth industry.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Chinese will plow them under in the Sahara - maybe alive - and " make the desert broom".

  8. OT. Is the UK unique in declassifying so much government stuff after 50 years? I imagine the CIA stuff is under wraps, or am I wrong?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/secret-british-black-propaganda-campaign-targeted-cold-war-enemies-information-research-department

    The Information Research Department (IRD) was set up by the post-second world war Labour government to counter Soviet propaganda attacks on Britain. Its activities mirrored the CIA’s cold war propaganda operations and the extensive efforts of the USSR and its satellites.

    The Observer last year revealed the IRD’s major campaign in Indonesia in 1965 that helped encourage anti-communist massacres which left hundreds of thousands dead (a link to Obama’s dad there?). There, the IRD prepared pamphlets purporting to be written by Indonesian patriots, but in fact were created by British propagandists, calling on Indonesians to eliminate the PKI, then the biggest communist party in the non-communist world.

    But the thousands of declassified documents studied by Cormac give by far the most extensive insight yet into the IRD’s disinformation operations.

    “The British were only one actor among many, and a fairly minor actor too, compared with the quantity of material being produced and disseminated by the bigger players,” said Cormac, professor of international relations at Nottingham University.

    “The UK did not simply invent material, as the Soviets systematically did, but they definitely intended to deceive audiences in order to get the message across.”

    The IRD employed 360 people at its height in the mid-60s. However, its highly secretive Special Editorial Unit, responsible for the black propaganda effort, was much smaller. From its base in a nondescript office in Westminster, the unit used a variety of tactics to manipulate opinion.

    One was to produce “reports” sent to warn other governments, selected journalists and thinktanks about “Soviet subversion” or similar threats.

    The reports comprised carefully selected facts and analysis often gleaned from intelligence provided by Britain’s security services, but appeared to come from ostensibly independent analysts and institutions that were in reality set up and run by the IRD.

    Of course it would never happen nowadays, would it?

    https://www.bellingcat.com/

  9. MM says:

    What reliability can we place on the UN estimates?

    These seem to be accepted, but we know that the UN is corrupt and not above distorting statistics to increase its funding (much of which gets siphoned off).

    Higher population estimates mean more aid funding (of all sorts). What drivers would push lower population estimates? I can’t think of any.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @MM

    The recent UN estimates are not terribly popular. E.g., when Ezra Klein interviewed Bill Gates a few years ago, the topic of African population growth came up and Vox sent out a tweet mentioning it to promote their boss's interview with Gates. This caused an internal firestorm at Vox and the tweet was quickly deleted. Knowing about African population growth is about as popular as knowing about African-American homicide rates.

    And their existence admits that earlier UN estimates in the early years of this century of African population growth were wrong.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  10. To use Starlink you need a special set of equipment from Starlink which only some people in really rural areas that don’t have and are unlikely to get anytime soon good hard connections or real techies in cities would have had in anticipation of service beginning prior to the invasion. The internet didn’t go out in Ukraine because the Russian’s didn’t cut it.

    But generally the future belongs to whomever keeps their Nigerian diaspora to as low a level as possible when the big push comes. Immigration begets more immigration.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    The only thing that ever stops mass migration, other than law is the hesitancy of moving to a truly alien place. In reality most immigrants aren't bracing pioneers but droll followers who gladly stick to the paths blazed by previous cohorts of their co-ethnics who, in their new context of being a minority is a largely alien land become the focus of their lives.

    I remember watching a documentary about sub-Saharan asylum seekers in Argentina and I laughed out loud when one guy left the DNC ‘to escape political persecution’ and immediately just became an immigrant and ethnic activist… Seems he forgot about whatever cause he was supposedly advocating for back home now he was safe to do so...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzl4mK3V5c

    The guy in question appears at 2.38 but the introduction is worth listening to. If only for the line ‘it has even been said that Argentina is more racially European than immigrant-saturated Europe’. The most important graph in the world has consequences for more than just the West.

    The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don’t think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it’s has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1An2V7mgyQ

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management. But there is huge hope because just like water stopping at a wall of sandbags, so too do people trying to essentially get something for nothing stop when faced with even a little bit of even a relative barrier. It's actually practically really easy to control immigration, this is the element of the whole debate that gets overlooked rhetorically. It's actually really easy. These immigrants are not formidable they just sense weakness. What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.

    Replies: @jb

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    "The internet didn’t go out in Ukraine because the Russians didn’t cut it."

    The Russians considered Ukrainians to be misguided brothers rather than mortal enemies, so "shock and awe", destroying every bridge, cell tower, government office, telephone exchange and power plant as an initial tactic was not applied. Russia didn't want to conquer a desert. By contrast, Ukraine cut off the water supply to Crimea, which has only just been restored. Satellite photos show a green Crimea in 2014, a much more parched one in 2018.

    https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1103shock/


    “Shutting the country down would entail both the physical destruction of appropriate infrastructure and the shutdown and control of the flow of all vital information and associated commerce so rapidly as to achieve a level of national shock akin to the effect that dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the Japanese. Simultaneously, Iraq’s armed forces would be paralyzed with the neutralization or destruction of its capabilities. Deception, disinformation, and misinformation would be applied massively.”
     
    And remember the attack below was based on nothing but lies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CowOdkKNb0A

    If anyone here has the time it's instructive to see how much effort the US/UK/NATO (mainly Italy and Holland, France and Germany seem absent though some flights have been from Cologne) are putting into supporting Ukraine with both SIGINT and logistics. The AN124 ferrying stuff to Rzeszow from Burgas in Bulgaria is the biggest cargo plane in the world (the previous biggest was destroyed in a Russian attack).

    https://www.flightradar24.com/

    More interested in the US/UK supply lines which are keeping his lot in the game - I should have stayed up the other night to see where that Ukrainian AN124 from Rzeszow (currently being circled by a KC135 USAF tanker) was heading for.

    Interestingly, while Brize Norton and other RAF bases are on the map, not all US bases are. Fairford and Croughton aren't, Mildenhall (where the KC135 started) is.


    11:29 am
    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    Rzeszow now has a USAF Blackhawk chopper (if the photo is correct, with red cross markings), plus an Italian military 767-2EY.

    12:08 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    There's also an E3A Sentry circling the Romanian coast, an anonymous (no ID) aircraft doing the same, and an RC-135W Rivet Joint doing huge loops over Poland, covering both Belarus and Ukraine.

    The no-id craft came from the Catania US base and is at 19,000 but only doing 200kts - another drone?

    1:00 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    The "no callsign" plane is being refuelled by the KC135 - and a Dutch military aircraft, flying from Cologne, is now in the area. Big Airbus.

    2:07 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said...
    The Ukrainian AN124 is just heading into Rzeszow again, from Burgas, which is Bulgaria's biggest port. There's a P3 Orion about, plus an RAF tanker from Akrotiri in Cyprus.

     

  11. The meek shall inherit the earth

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    The meek shall inherit the earth
     
    Desmond Hatchett, Esq.
  12. @Altai
    To use Starlink you need a special set of equipment from Starlink which only some people in really rural areas that don't have and are unlikely to get anytime soon good hard connections or real techies in cities would have had in anticipation of service beginning prior to the invasion. The internet didn't go out in Ukraine because the Russian's didn't cut it.

    But generally the future belongs to whomever keeps their Nigerian diaspora to as low a level as possible when the big push comes. Immigration begets more immigration.

    Replies: @Altai, @YetAnotherAnon

    The only thing that ever stops mass migration, other than law is the hesitancy of moving to a truly alien place. In reality most immigrants aren’t bracing pioneers but droll followers who gladly stick to the paths blazed by previous cohorts of their co-ethnics who, in their new context of being a minority is a largely alien land become the focus of their lives.

    I remember watching a documentary about sub-Saharan asylum seekers in Argentina and I laughed out loud when one guy left the DNC ‘to escape political persecution’ and immediately just became an immigrant and ethnic activist… Seems he forgot about whatever cause he was supposedly advocating for back home now he was safe to do so…

    The guy in question appears at 2.38 but the introduction is worth listening to. If only for the line ‘it has even been said that Argentina is more racially European than immigrant-saturated Europe’. The most important graph in the world has consequences for more than just the West.

    The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don’t think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it’s has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management. But there is huge hope because just like water stopping at a wall of sandbags, so too do people trying to essentially get something for nothing stop when faced with even a little bit of even a relative barrier. It’s actually practically really easy to control immigration, this is the element of the whole debate that gets overlooked rhetorically. It’s actually really easy. These immigrants are not formidable they just sense weakness. What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @jb
    @Altai


    What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.
     
    One of the arguments immigration advocates have made for years is that the pressures driving migrants to seek better lives are so intense that there is nothing Western countries can do to stem the flow, so we should instead be looking for ways to accommodate it. Yet the flow dropped significantly after Trump was elected, before he even had a chance to do anything other than talk shit. So yes, it really is that easy -- all you have to do is look at them funny and most will stop coming. (Imagine if Trump had actually been an effective president!)

    Replies: @Altai

  13. anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    But generally the future belongs to whomever keeps their Nigerian diaspora to as low a level as possible when the big push comes.

    United States: 461,000 (2019)

    India: 40,000 (2013)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-24903230

    China: 10,000 (2014)
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180201020130/http://www.aitonline.tv/post-nigeria_china_relations_deepen_as_senator_david_mark_visits_chinese_parliament

    Ukraine: 8,000 (before war)
    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220304-more-than-400-nigerians-who-fled-ukraine-return-home

  14. dynamic societies reaping the benefits of what demographers call the “demographic dividend,”

    Reminds me of that joke, “We’re not earning any money on individual items, but we hope to make up for that with volume.”

  15. “Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet, ”

    And where do they get the scratch to pay for these nice things? My guess is, as usual, the American (certainly not the African American) taxpayer.

    When the food and medical supplies that the US and UN send to Africa inevitably stop arriving, there will be a mass catastrophe of starvation and disease like never seen before.

  16. Prognostication is always iffy, and so is attempting to read the minds of globohomo, but I will speculate that the “black planet” is intended as a transitional phase to get rid of the White working class and White culture. Also it will not work as planned, because plans evaporate when the serious shooting starts.

    Then it will be globohomo who fear a black planet.

  17. @YetAnotherAnon
    "a company that builds cheap rockets that put thousands of satellites in orbit"

    Which is an absolute pain for those who like to look at and photograph the night sky, or even do it for a living.

    https://aurora.live/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1.jpg

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution

    I'm told by the Guardian that 10% of world wheat supplies come from Ukraine and are blocked.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/russian-blockade-grain-exports-ukraine-ports-g7

    At the same time fuel and fertiliser prices are soaring.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-war-ukraine-fueling-spike-200000535.html

    I can see trouble in Egypt, the breadbasket of the Roman Empire now being more of a food-importing basket-case.

    I can see another Merkel's Millions scenario being developed right in front of us.

    Although Steve rightfully criticised Merkel, did he ever criticise the US/UK trashing of Syria and Libya which were the initiators?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Thea

    Consider the fact that he blames Putin for the Ukrainian situation.

  18. Lots of wilding by young blacks in Chicago this weekend. The police are overwhelmed. The black run government won’t do anything about it. Rahm Emanuel wouldn’t have put up with this.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Flip

    Mayor Goldfish is not the same mayor as “Dancer”.

    , @Anon
    @Flip

    You're right. Emanuel wouldn't know what to do.

  19. I’m old enough to remember when AIDS and famine were going to wipe out the population of Africa. I guess that didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Flip

    Africa always wins

  20. Sub-Saharan Africa shows the problem with the idea that the current and foreseeable mixes of populations which he lump together as “humanity” have the potential to build a technologically competent global civilization which could colonize the rest of the solar system, like we see in science fiction.

    Sorry, “humanity” simply lacks that potential, not when the world’s median IQ falls into the low 80’s, with downward pressure on that figure as the world fills up with useless blacks. Billions of people on this planet belong in an economy of stoop labor, at best, not in a cognitive economy based on a generous supply of quality human minds which can acquire constructive habits, benefit from studying STEM subjects and know how to solve problems like white people have done considerably better than average over our history (because in its actual usage lately, the adjective “white” has started to mean something like “competent”).

    • Agree: Goddard, bomag, Mark G.
  21. The quality of institutions and human capital matters, a reality our current overlords do their best to ignore. Unfortunately it appears Africa is quite poor in both, so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa, but I wonder if it’s going to become something of a white elephant.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    , @Spangel226
    @Arclight

    I can’t see africa supplanting Asia for cheap goods anytime soon. Even with international subsidies and the Chinese setting down infrastructure, Asia is still cheaper and more efficient. If Africans had to compete with southeast Asians without the help of external aid, there would be no chance that any african country could supplant any Asian country as a manufacturing site.

    African labor is cheaper than Asian labor, but they just can’t keep the grid running. Cant construct highways from the factories to the ports, can’t keep the roads to the ports open and clear, or manage the ports logistics on their own. Even the poorest asian countries can do this for the sake of exporting goods, even if their infrastructure is dysfunctional for the local inhabitants. African laborers are also less diligent than asian ones. When an international business tries to hire African factory workers on one hand and asian workers on the other, they find they need to do extensive training to explain to africans that they can only take breaks on break time, and then they have to deal with the emotional toll and push back from enforcing such rules…Asians get this stuff pretty easily.

    As Asia becomes more middle income and the price of labor in Asia increases enough where sub Saharan labor is cheap enough to offset their organizational problems, robots will likely be doing a much greater portion of manufacturing, so Africans will have to compete with that as well.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Zero chance of that.

    First off--"cheap" is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your "cheapness" wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the "developing" world ... forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was "inside the walls" of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities--food, minerals--happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly--AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to "reshore" close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern ... there's your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here--and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this--there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Peter Akuleyev, @epebble, @Rob

    , @Muggles
    @Arclight


    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa, but I wonder if it’s going to become something of a white elephant.
     
    No need to wonder.

    Other than access to and export of minerals and a few other raw materials China will receive nothing for "investment" there.

    They already are seeing the usual pattern of non repaid loans for infrastructure development mostly stage managed by the World Bank or other NGO racketeers.

    "Loans" to Africa don't get repaid but interest is merely tacked on to the principal. Hard currency goes to government insiders, oligarchs and the politically connected.

    China has pulled back their expansion into Africa since the continent is a money pit no matter what race is "investing" there.

    There are very small equity markets in the more advanced African countries. You can buy shares there, or mutual funds. They are largely ignored.

    Liberal left African (White) apologists don't invest their film salaries in Africa. Nor do wealthy Africans.

    Replies: @Sean

  22. @YetAnotherAnon
    "a company that builds cheap rockets that put thousands of satellites in orbit"

    Which is an absolute pain for those who like to look at and photograph the night sky, or even do it for a living.

    https://aurora.live/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1.jpg

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution

    I'm told by the Guardian that 10% of world wheat supplies come from Ukraine and are blocked.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/russian-blockade-grain-exports-ukraine-ports-g7

    At the same time fuel and fertiliser prices are soaring.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-war-ukraine-fueling-spike-200000535.html

    I can see trouble in Egypt, the breadbasket of the Roman Empire now being more of a food-importing basket-case.

    I can see another Merkel's Millions scenario being developed right in front of us.

    Although Steve rightfully criticised Merkel, did he ever criticise the US/UK trashing of Syria and Libya which were the initiators?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Thea

    Yes, it has always been a major point of his. “Invite the world, invade the world.”

  23. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    by having customers drop off yesterday’s depleted battery and pick up today’s charged battery

    Steve, it’s the 21st century. You can’t “drop off your phone battery” anymore.

    Here’s what’s involved in removing and replacing a battery in today’s smart phones, with any sort of quality control:

    On the other hand, maybe uncle Pooh will subsidize a retro cell phone for Africa that uses removable battery packs as part of his Belt and Road initiative.

  24. @Altai
    To use Starlink you need a special set of equipment from Starlink which only some people in really rural areas that don't have and are unlikely to get anytime soon good hard connections or real techies in cities would have had in anticipation of service beginning prior to the invasion. The internet didn't go out in Ukraine because the Russian's didn't cut it.

    But generally the future belongs to whomever keeps their Nigerian diaspora to as low a level as possible when the big push comes. Immigration begets more immigration.

    Replies: @Altai, @YetAnotherAnon

    “The internet didn’t go out in Ukraine because the Russians didn’t cut it.”

    The Russians considered Ukrainians to be misguided brothers rather than mortal enemies, so “shock and awe”, destroying every bridge, cell tower, government office, telephone exchange and power plant as an initial tactic was not applied. Russia didn’t want to conquer a desert. By contrast, Ukraine cut off the water supply to Crimea, which has only just been restored. Satellite photos show a green Crimea in 2014, a much more parched one in 2018.

    https://www.airforcemag.com/article/1103shock/

    “Shutting the country down would entail both the physical destruction of appropriate infrastructure and the shutdown and control of the flow of all vital information and associated commerce so rapidly as to achieve a level of national shock akin to the effect that dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the Japanese. Simultaneously, Iraq’s armed forces would be paralyzed with the neutralization or destruction of its capabilities. Deception, disinformation, and misinformation would be applied massively.”

    And remember the attack below was based on nothing but lies.

    If anyone here has the time it’s instructive to see how much effort the US/UK/NATO (mainly Italy and Holland, France and Germany seem absent though some flights have been from Cologne) are putting into supporting Ukraine with both SIGINT and logistics. The AN124 ferrying stuff to Rzeszow from Burgas in Bulgaria is the biggest cargo plane in the world (the previous biggest was destroyed in a Russian attack).

    https://www.flightradar24.com/

    More interested in the US/UK supply lines which are keeping his lot in the game – I should have stayed up the other night to see where that Ukrainian AN124 from Rzeszow (currently being circled by a KC135 USAF tanker) was heading for.

    Interestingly, while Brize Norton and other RAF bases are on the map, not all US bases are. Fairford and Croughton aren’t, Mildenhall (where the KC135 started) is.

    11:29 am
    Anonymous Anonymous said…
    Rzeszow now has a USAF Blackhawk chopper (if the photo is correct, with red cross markings), plus an Italian military 767-2EY.

    12:08 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said…
    There’s also an E3A Sentry circling the Romanian coast, an anonymous (no ID) aircraft doing the same, and an RC-135W Rivet Joint doing huge loops over Poland, covering both Belarus and Ukraine.

    The no-id craft came from the Catania US base and is at 19,000 but only doing 200kts – another drone?

    1:00 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said…
    The “no callsign” plane is being refuelled by the KC135 – and a Dutch military aircraft, flying from Cologne, is now in the area. Big Airbus.

    2:07 pm
    Anonymous Anonymous said…
    The Ukrainian AN124 is just heading into Rzeszow again, from Burgas, which is Bulgaria’s biggest port. There’s a P3 Orion about, plus an RAF tanker from Akrotiri in Cyprus.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Thanks: bomag
  25. The elephant in the room…

    To paraphrase Kurt Vonnegut in the airplane scene at the start of “Slaughterhouse-five”…

    PASSENGER #1 (reading magazine) It says here that by the year 2050, the population of Africa will reach 4 billion people.

    PASSENGER #2: I suppose they’ll all be wanting white girls.

  26. I recently listened to an interview with Nigerian-British singer Zuby, and thought he was quite intelligent. I wondered if he was of Igbo background given their reputation , and he is.

  27. This is the genocidal agenda Russia is trying to protect itself from (and probably will).

    Parts of Europe will protect itself. Realistically, we have to consider that the USA will be utterly swamped. Already, the USA will lose huge parts of the southwest, but it may be far worse.

    Any nation that can preserve White DNA, I wish them luck.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  28. @Bardon Kaldian
    The great benefactor of the third world knew this, but nobody would listen...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

    Norman Ernest Borlaug was an American agronomist who led initiatives worldwide that contributed to the extensive increases in agricultural production termed the Green Revolution. Borlaug was awarded multiple honors for his work, including the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.
    ................................................
    Besides increasing the worldwide food supply, early in his career Borlaug stated that taking steps to decrease the rate of population growth will also be necessary to prevent food shortages. In his Nobel Lecture of 1970, Borlaug stated, "Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the 'Population Monster' ... If it continues to increase at the estimated present rate of two percent a year, the world population will reach 6.5 billion by the year 2000 (my remark- more). Currently, with each second, or tick of the clock, about 2.2 additional people are added to the world population. The rhythm of increase will accelerate to 2.7, 3.3, and 4.0 for each tick of the clock by 1980, 1990, and 2000, respectively, unless man becomes more realistic and preoccupied about this impending doom. The tick-tock of the clock will continually grow louder and more menacing each decade. Where will it all end?"

    Replies: @lavoisier, @SMK, @mousey

    Trying to reduce the growth of the black population with family planning and birth control is racist—didn’t you know that?

    Ultimately, Africans are more than willing to accept Western foreign aid, but they sure as hell don’t want to be told by whitey to cut back on their reproductive success. Hell, they are winners in the evolutionary sweepstakes while whitey appears to be big time losers.

    As long as the white world offers a safety valve to the irresponsible behavior of Africans, the irresponsible behavior will continue.

    We have banished at least three of the four horseman of the apocalypse from Africa with science and technology, but sadly we cannot impregnate common sense into Africans any more than we can for delusional white liberals.

    • Agree: bispora, europeasant
  29. So, that Kissingerian CIA AIDS project isn’t working out?

    Time to release the Crack then?

  30. The days are gone in which anyone would confidently recommend one particular development model.

    This only reveals Tooze’s neoliberal bias. Listian growth has been the standard model for all of today’s rich countries, starting with Northern Europe in the 19th century to end with the East Asian miracles in the 2nd half of the 20th century, bleeding into the early part of the 21st for China and Vietnam.

    One should also note that most mainstream economists were *very* skeptical about South Korea in the early 1960s but were much more bullish on the newly decolonised African countries. The argument went that these African countries had a large railway network, plenty of resources, lots of room (population density even today is remarkably low for many SSA countries) plus an Anglophone/Francophone elite which would make it easier to sign trade deals.

    We all know what actually happened.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    @Thulean Friend

    Plus Christian churches/missions that provided aid, taught English and morals, distributed literature , provided scholarships to train lawyers , judges etc And, although those individuals who received the post grad degrees at Oxford etc benefitted, it is hard to see how their native countries e.g. Zimbabwe benefitted

    ) Some insist that African clergy will save the European Christian churches; perhaps more likely that the disappearance of European-descent clergy will hasten the decline of Christianity in Europe, unless the new clergy possess Obama levels of charisma

    ) Many insist that SSA countries are fervently Christian (and African -descent Christians are more fervent, more devout and more spiritual...... Hmm there bishops and cardinals are less insane than the "woke" idiots in Europe...... one wonders if an African pope who is a realist might change the conversation.

    , @Rob
    @Thulean Friend

    That’s true. Conventional wisdom was that Africa would boom once it was run by Africans in their own interests. The elite of Africa ran their countries to benefit themselves and their families, screw the masses.

    People who ran Western nations liked seeing their color all over the map, but there was not much material gain from African colonies. They were basically charities run by progressives of the day. Peeps were more optimistic back then. They really thought they could bring Christianity and Western civilization, and Africans would drop their culture and become black-white people. Anyone who tried that today would be called out for having a white savior complex.

    How dysgenic is Africa’s population boom? Are smart (relatively) women having a ton of kids, or it just the dumb ones? Something that could happen, though I don’t know that it does, is the most westernizable chunk of the population tries to live more like us, so the women don’t have lots of kids, but the dimmer folks who don’t own mining companies or whatnot reproduce like crazy, so there’s no progress.

    Have any of you read Design for the Other 90%? There's one on cities, but I just learned that today. Basic idea is that third-world lives can be improved, but just trying to export civilization to them won’t work. Development in the third probably won’t look much like the West.

    There’s stuff you can do in infrastructure in the third world that you can’t do where there’s really winter. Plus, Africans need less protection from the elements, though they need more protection from animals and not-quite-quite animals, the protozoa. There’s a name for the fact that lots of experimental vaccines for tropical diseases work on Westerners when tried here. They work on people of African ancestry in the West, but they don’t work on tropical people in the tropics. I forget the name of the phenomenon. Figuring that out would do quite a lot to help third-worlders, probably more than most development projects, even if the development funds weren’t all stolen.

    Lastly, someone did a parody of Design for the Other 90% called something like “More Design for the 10%,” the theme of the contest/joke was that Westerners don’t have kids, and leave old people to die alone in nursing homes, and have (compared to third worlders) very lonely lives. There were other things, but those are enough for now. I couldn’t find the contest in a quick googling. There are probably things we could do from third-worlders. Having babies, especially babies with high-quality parents is really important. Speaking of babies, I'm sure there wouldn’t be a baby formula supply crisis if the country were still 90% white. Third-worlders half-assing everything they do (I'm including black Americans as the third world. They’d be poorer than Haiti if they were separated from people) probably led to the bacterial outbreak that shut down the Mississippi plant.

    Thing is, if the West were into colonialism today, we could probably uplift some of the third world. How much of the poverty is caused by the parasitic local elite? Getting rid of them, and replacing them with the white people who lecture you about pronouns could be doing something useful. Heck, it’d at least get them to stop hassling us.

  31. One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it.

    Wait, that’s a reason for optimism? I thought that was yet another reason for pessimism. After all, the net result for Africans from all of the additional technology, energy, and money that SS Africa has been getting is … more Africans, while the net result for the rest of the world is … more African migrants and more of their customs that were previously confined to Africa.

    Unless you mean the “reason for optimism” for Africans invading, colonizing, and despoiling the rest of the world, in which case, yeah, spot on.

    It’s not unreasonable to hope that black countries, to the extent that they can maintain peace in the countryside, can use solar power and possibilities like Starlink to connect most everybody eventually to the Internet. Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet, enabling practically everybody in Nigeria to…

    …see cousin Jamal’s Facebook posts from London showcasing his boss lifestyle, so their next Skype call will be to the people smugglers to help arrange for them to get somma dat!

    Nobody knows precisely what the population of Nigeria is

    No worries. Soon we’ll be able to count them all here. Well, provided there is still anyone left here who cares about counting people.

    ———

    P.S. Am I missing out on this “[reasons TK]” reference?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Rob
    @Almost Missouri

    Steve, “Reasons [TK]”? Did you mean TBA or TBD? Even TBD?

    AM, your comment was spot on. Phone service was probably a great leading indicator for investors. “Bumfuckistan has terrible phone service.” Well, only invest in resource extraction there” “Fancyvania has a great phone system for a third world country.” You should invest in light manufacturing.

    Decent phone service required several things that are also required for development — meritocratic hiring in government, a competent technician and engineering segment, a government not running on bribes, and other things, I am sure — oh, and a population that doesn’t take down all the wires to sell the copper as scrap metal, the state of telephony in a country told you quite a lot about it. More importantly, it told you in a way that the government could not hide or spin.

    Today, almost anyone can manage towers run on local generators. Speaking of generators. why doesn't Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel? Does coal just take more infrastructure and distribution capacity than Nigerians can manage?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @(((They))) Live, @Meretricious

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    P.S. Am I missing out on this “[reasons TK]” reference?
     
    It's a joke. TK = To Come. Apparently, you've never written for a publication on deadline and structured out the copy so layout can start making up pages, placing TKs for quotes from people who haven't returned your call or the statistic Research hasn't sent up to you yet (or you haven't dug up yet). Even guys who only ever worked on their high school newspaper would get it.
  32. But nowadays, an African-American genius can start a company that builds cheap rockets that put thousands of satellites in orbit to create a network so that a white country can (remotely) plug into into while being bombarded by the Russian Army and use it to bombard back.

    an African-American genius

    Haha!

    There are more famous Glass Blowers.

  33. @Arclight
    The quality of institutions and human capital matters, a reality our current overlords do their best to ignore. Unfortunately it appears Africa is quite poor in both, so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Much has been made of China's 'investments' in Africa, but I wonder if it's going to become something of a white elephant.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @Muggles

    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa

    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it’s just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, you are right about africa only being able to succeed at subsistence farming and mining. If we are to class economic activity from least complex to most, at the bottom is subsistence farming and mining. Then there is sweatshop work. Then there is skilled crafts making. And then we get to levels of the innovation economy above that (manufacturing electronics, pharmaceuticals and biotech, finance).

    Africa cannot even succeed at the second rung, the most basic of sweatshop production because they can’t compete with Asia. Even for mining, the mines tend to be owned and managed by non Africans. So basically subsistence agriculture is it for them. So one day we will be at a point where half the world is only capable of doing subsistence agriculture. This is different than a poor Asian country where half of people are currently engaged in subsistence agriculture, for it is likely that many of them would be at least capable of something more complex.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it’s just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.
     
    It does not bode well for my posterity either, but I think there is a good chance--maybe 25%ish--that the world of say 2200 will be entirely populated by Chinese.
    , @northeast
    @Almost Missouri

    The Chinese will be ruthless when this "experiment" in Africa starts to go south on them.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Almost Missouri

    Right on the money, as usual.

    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Almost Missouri

    This is unfair. However much we may dislike it or find the practice foul, pre-Colonial Africa had brisk trade in slaves. It was actually pretty robust, too, with long logistical tails and lots of eg currency transfer and distance covered. Recall Iraq in the 700s had Central African slaves, that’s a lot of supply chain issue to get there.

    Because slavery is abhorrent today (and because an African slave would not currently produce much value) we dismiss it, but in its era these were big-bucks operations. The largest structure in Pre-colonial Africa was in Rhodes…Zimbabwe and it was a massive, MASSIVE slave pen

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  34. The future belongs to those countries (or communities within countries) willing to enforce their borders. Simple as that.

    NE Asia currently has terrible demographics, but nature will fix that over time. Genes for not wanting children will be breed out while genes for wanting children will become dominant, causing a rebound in the birth rate.

    So long as they protect their border, those peoples will survive and thrive.

    European and American whites OTOH can up their birth rate all they want, but if they don’t protect their borders, it doesn’t matter.

    Africans are civilization destroyers. Simple as that.

    • Agree: Kylie
  35. Charles Manson’s theory of Helter Skelter looks more rational all the time.

  36. @Arclight
    The quality of institutions and human capital matters, a reality our current overlords do their best to ignore. Unfortunately it appears Africa is quite poor in both, so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Much has been made of China's 'investments' in Africa, but I wonder if it's going to become something of a white elephant.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @Muggles

    I can’t see africa supplanting Asia for cheap goods anytime soon. Even with international subsidies and the Chinese setting down infrastructure, Asia is still cheaper and more efficient. If Africans had to compete with southeast Asians without the help of external aid, there would be no chance that any african country could supplant any Asian country as a manufacturing site.

    African labor is cheaper than Asian labor, but they just can’t keep the grid running. Cant construct highways from the factories to the ports, can’t keep the roads to the ports open and clear, or manage the ports logistics on their own. Even the poorest asian countries can do this for the sake of exporting goods, even if their infrastructure is dysfunctional for the local inhabitants. African laborers are also less diligent than asian ones. When an international business tries to hire African factory workers on one hand and asian workers on the other, they find they need to do extensive training to explain to africans that they can only take breaks on break time, and then they have to deal with the emotional toll and push back from enforcing such rules…Asians get this stuff pretty easily.

    As Asia becomes more middle income and the price of labor in Asia increases enough where sub Saharan labor is cheap enough to offset their organizational problems, robots will likely be doing a much greater portion of manufacturing, so Africans will have to compete with that as well.

  37. I have already seen the movie—Idiocracy

  38. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Yes, you are right about africa only being able to succeed at subsistence farming and mining. If we are to class economic activity from least complex to most, at the bottom is subsistence farming and mining. Then there is sweatshop work. Then there is skilled crafts making. And then we get to levels of the innovation economy above that (manufacturing electronics, pharmaceuticals and biotech, finance).

    Africa cannot even succeed at the second rung, the most basic of sweatshop production because they can’t compete with Asia. Even for mining, the mines tend to be owned and managed by non Africans. So basically subsistence agriculture is it for them. So one day we will be at a point where half the world is only capable of doing subsistence agriculture. This is different than a poor Asian country where half of people are currently engaged in subsistence agriculture, for it is likely that many of them would be at least capable of something more complex.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  39. of course the money word is “replacement” (as in restoring to a former place or position). The fact is, Negroes can only ‘replace’ other Negroes. LOL

  40. Albert Schweitzer was right:

    “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.

    So- what is to be done, to “solve” the black problem relatively peacefully?

    Nothing can be done except getting rid of illusion of global humanist universalism and separating all races from almost all blacks.

    Perhaps that will happen; realistically- not. And so the most realistic future is north America & affluent Western Europe going down to history’s dustbin; the territory from eastern Europe to Japan (Russia, China, Japan,..) will become rulers of the world & strongly suppressing and eliminating blacks; Islamistan, India & Latin America will lead lives of stagnant existence, basically shitholes; black Africa – mass extinction from hunger & overpopulation & diseases.

    We all know that you can’t do anything with blacks…

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/china/china-zambia-murder-intl-hnk/index.html

    Three Chinese nationals were murdered and burned in Zambia, in a week when racial tensions were running high
    ………………………
    The gruesome murder of 52-year-old Cao Guifang, the wife of the textile warehouse owner — who was in their home province of Jiangsu, in eastern China, when the attack happened — and her two male employees, Bao Junbin, 58, and Fan Minjie, 33, came at the end of a week when anti-Chinese sentiment in the Zambian capital was nearing boiling point.
    ………………………………………………
    There are an estimated 22,000 Chinese nationals living in Zambia, operating 280 companies, mostly spread between Lusaka and the copperbelt in the north. Beijing owns about 44% of Zambia’s debt, which has led to fear among some Zambians that China has too much control over the country.
    ……………………………………………………
    Major infrastructure projects including airports, highways and dams in Zambia have been built by Chinese state-owned, or linked, firms. China also operates in the crucial mining sector, as do companies other foreign nations, and a Beijing-backed — although not owned — company even bought a 60% share in the Zambian state broadcaster. Local media frequently run inflammatory headlines, such as “How China is slowly colonizing Zambian economy.”

    Modern world-view treats all humans as legal equals & its presumption is that they will, even taking into account all ethnic-cultural-historical varieties, achieve a functioning modern society. All dog breeds will, say, be equally functional in all life situations that matter.

    To acknowledge that blacks as a race are simply incompatible with any notion of a functioning free modern society would mean going back to the 19th C more realist view on races and peoples. But, because the defeat of the extreme version of that world-view is the defining characteristic of the Western, then global Weltanschauung – everything that shows that humans are unequal in their (anti)social behavior should be suppressed.

    To fully accept that blacks & similar types of humans are destined to be a threat to any good society is to re-introduce segregation laws & to write the UN chapters anew.

    Is this necessary?

    I’d say yes.

    Something like “soft apartheid”.

    And this is totally unacceptable to a modern mind.

    What, on the other hand, is possible that various functioning powerful modern societies will have introduced partially “racialist” laws (not the extreme, Hitler- like legislation) after liberal rich democracies had clearly begun to disintegrate.

    Then, it would be: You’re like “Titanic”. Sorry, but we don’t intend to sink like you are doing right now, just in front of our eyes.

    • Thanks: Richard B
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.
     
    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this?

    Gotta link?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bardon Kaldian

  41. Dmon says:

    Even subsistence farming is a stretch, as illustrated by Zimbabwe.

    When Commodore Perry sailed/steamed into Tokyo Bay in 1853, Japan was basically stuck in the 17th century. Within 50 years, they had transformed into pretty much a modern, industrial country, decisively defeating the Russian Empire in a war, and on their way to becoming literally a world leader in cutting edge technology. Zimbabwe became fully independent in 1980, and in well under 50 years they were literally starving to death. South Africa has been run by blacks since 1990, and starting with at least a first-and-a-half world nation, they are well on their way to the 17th century. So one way to look at the vector of African development is that the magnitude of their progress is equal to or better than Japan’s, just with a 180 degree phase shift.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Dmon

    IQ is everything, in the individual and in the race. Or as per my preferred taxonomy, in the species.

  42. The collapse in the number of white babies will ensure that whites are replaced, even if immigration is curtailed. One significant finding from the 2020 census is the fact that America’s under-age-18 white population declined by 5.1 million since 2010.

    120% of the overall white population decline between 2010 and 2020 occurred among those under the age of 40 (-9 million). We went from ~96 million whites under the age of 40 in 2010 to just ~88 million. This is the most important demographic age cohort for America, since Americans over 45 are no longer fertile and will soon be gone. White fertility would need to climb above 3.0 to keep the white population above 180 million, yet white fertility has now fallen below 1.6.


    The most important graph for the future of the US indicates the collapse of the white population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Travis


    The most important graph for the future of the US indicates the collapse of the white population.
     
    Yep.

    Take a look at the Russian Federation (RF) right now. Collapse of the white population there, too. I remember back in 1980 when the simple failure of an industrial country for internal economic reasons was thought to be impossible.

    Right now, the Russian component of the RF has an overall fertility ration of about 1.6, and an inflow of 1.7 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2017 est.) Immigrants are non-European ethnicities (one immigrant every 4 minutes) from the rest of the Russian Federation. The downward trend in Russian fertility rate seems to date back to 1964, although it was accentuated during the 1990s [1].

    In other words, the Russian Federation seems to be a reasonable example of white displacement by immigration and a society hostile to white children.

    So what has RF done? Did it give up, or did it try to recover and become a bit more hardnosed in the process?

    Well, RF has the world's best collection of deployable strategic weapons. It has 100 megaton swimmers that go to enemy continental shelves and detonate. It has a brand new MIRVed missile that Russian media claims can take out England in one flight. It has hypersonic missiles for tactical and probably nuclear use. It has at least some stealthed aircraft, enough to deliver nuclear weapons. It has revived the plutonium powered high speed [2] intercontinental ram jet, the 1960's US Project Pluto [3].

    Further, RF strategic doctrine read Kahn's book about use of nuclear weapons to prevent central warfare from actually conquering a nuclear armed State: “… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat”, which President of the Russian Federation V. Putin has recently repeated:

    “For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty” [emphasis added]. [4]
     
    Note the similar phrasing. Presumably, the Ukraine/RF conflict could, if Russia is losing heavily enough to threaten the State, resort to the nuclear weapons suite described above.

    OK, so much for the Ukraine / RF conflict.

    The comment flow on Steve's article (https://www.unz.com/isteve/fear-of-a-black-planet-2/) has thus far assumed no discontinuity in response to non-white immigration. IMHO, this discounts unduly the actual state of US politics. We have seen, starting in 2008, a government run according to African rules. Appointments have been made of people executing total loyalty to Obama and willingness to execute any command Obama may issue. Gen. Miley and "white flight", the commandeering of the FBI and CIA against Candidate, then President Trump, the Afghanistan fiasco, all would have been unimaginable before the Obama administration, as would the current "baby formula shortage". For that matter, an Administration supposedly run by a President far gone in dementia by his Chief of Staff under the direction of a former President would have been unimaginable.

    However, in African politics, the Chief rules, nobody messes with the Chief more than once, and power is the only rule. Now we have it here. Ask the 6/1 incarcerated about that.

    OK, consider a scenario in which the former President Obama manages to consolidate his rule for a decade or two before getting old enough to lose his grip to a revolution by the white population, probably allied with the Hispanic population. The surviving whites (wherever they are) are going to be even more upset that the RF is now. No more Mr. Nice Guy. You can see this process at work even now in the unz.com comment stream. The repudiation of any further attempt to find a common ground with "Whiteness" appears to have finally killed hope for a "melting pot" or even a "multicultural" accommodation between West and non-West. In addition to that, the end of urban economic and political dominance we see as the cities now are abandoned and their public areas are now dangerous to enter, eliminates the economic base for black power, making increased black tax/legal demands inevitable. We are seeing States become independent using the "anti-commandeering" laws and "State nullification" to implement white independence of the Obama controlled Federal government. This will clash with a black led Federal government that needs reinforcement of its voting block and more money.

    If you want, you can couple this with a Europe from which the US has been driven by Ukraine/RF conflict damage and possible use of nuclear weapons, perhaps by RF [5].

    Assume that this scenario (which is all that it is) evolves into a serious conflict, with air power, infantry deployment, secret police (as in the investigation of parents at school board meetings), etc., and that conflict lasts several years with appreciable deaths on all sides, say about 2,5% of the population on each side. Suppose that the Obama side continues to work in terms of races, and brings in African troops to serve as security forces in occupied territories [6]. Suppose that the whites nevertheless manage to win.

    At that point, the gloves are off, and (as with the Russian Federation above) the most powerful weapons available will be used. Note that WW II was Pyrrhic for the West and the US. The New Deal descended into the covert absolute government we see now, and the US troops had about 0.65 million physically crippled veterans, and another 1.5 million mentally crippled (PTSD) veterans, many so bad that lobotomies were widely used. The West will be similarly transformed should it manage to survive.

    Frankly, the above process frightens me. Whatever civilization comes out the other side will be fundamentally different from what we have now, no matter who wins. [7]

    ********************************************************************
    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
    2] Probably hypersonic as a design goal, now that the Russians understand hypersonic airframe design.
    3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
    4] https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/
    5] The US uses a nuclear weapon for whatever reason, and the RF plays "savior" to Europe only retaliating once, perhaps on a logistics point in Poland. The European population revolts and the new governments ask the Obama run US to leave Europe.
    6] The Haitian revolution was, of course, funded and helped by various European groups trying to use Hatian forces against other European groups. European troops proved ineffective due to infection by Yellow Fever. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haitian-Revolution
    Similar use of African immigrant security personnel against American citizens has been alleged by 6/1 prisoners in Washington, DC.
    6] If you want a literary foreshadowing of what comes out of such evolutionary crucibles, take a look at "S&M" Stirling's Draka series. I told Stirling at the time that his books would eventually be considered as instruction manuals, just as has been the fate of Orwell's 1984.
  43. Africans ought to grasp the fact that moving from a place where its easy to have 6 kids because you can just pick food for them off random trees, to a place where it’s financially hard to raise even 2 kids, is dumb.

    In the West, only those who carefully save their resources and limit their spending get ahead in life, and Africans don’t understand this.

  44. “Indeed, the only example of development to high-middle-income status in sub-Saharan Africa is South Africa, and given its colonial and apartheid roots, it is hardly an example that anyone would wish to emulate. Today, South Africa is afflicted by creaking infrastructure, civil unrest, and mass unemployment.”

    LOL!

  45. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:

    You think the old white boomer Steve Sailer would cool it on the racist crap after some white supremacist murders 10 black people in Buffalo.

    • LOL: Meretricious
    • Replies: @bispora
    @Anonymous

    Shortly: yes!

  46. It definitely sucks that white and Asian birthrates are way down… however, it seems that low birthrates are a social disease that goes hand in hand with hypertrophied white and Asian style capitalism, to which blacks are less susceptible than we are. Much as whites and Asians are less susceptible to the social disease of gang violence. Modern life is fucked up and it will take people of all races to survive it… much like having multiple cultivars of corn protects against any one disease wiping out the whole crop.

  47. Rob says:
    @Almost Missouri

    One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it.
     
    Wait, that's a reason for optimism? I thought that was yet another reason for pessimism. After all, the net result for Africans from all of the additional technology, energy, and money that SS Africa has been getting is ... more Africans, while the net result for the rest of the world is ... more African migrants and more of their customs that were previously confined to Africa.

    Unless you mean the "reason for optimism" for Africans invading, colonizing, and despoiling the rest of the world, in which case, yeah, spot on.


    It’s not unreasonable to hope that black countries, to the extent that they can maintain peace in the countryside, can use solar power and possibilities like Starlink to connect most everybody eventually to the Internet. Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet, enabling practically everybody in Nigeria to...
     
    ...see cousin Jamal's Facebook posts from London showcasing his boss lifestyle, so their next Skype call will be to the people smugglers to help arrange for them to get somma dat!

    Nobody knows precisely what the population of Nigeria is
     
    No worries. Soon we'll be able to count them all here. Well, provided there is still anyone left here who cares about counting people.

    ---------

    P.S. Am I missing out on this "[reasons TK]" reference?

    Replies: @Rob, @Anonymous

    Steve, “Reasons [TK]”? Did you mean TBA or TBD? Even TBD?

    AM, your comment was spot on. Phone service was probably a great leading indicator for investors. “Bumfuckistan has terrible phone service.” Well, only invest in resource extraction there” “Fancyvania has a great phone system for a third world country.” You should invest in light manufacturing.

    Decent phone service required several things that are also required for development — meritocratic hiring in government, a competent technician and engineering segment, a government not running on bribes, and other things, I am sure — oh, and a population that doesn’t take down all the wires to sell the copper as scrap metal, the state of telephony in a country told you quite a lot about it. More importantly, it told you in a way that the government could not hide or spin.

    Today, almost anyone can manage towers run on local generators. Speaking of generators. why doesn’t Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel? Does coal just take more infrastructure and distribution capacity than Nigerians can manage?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Rob


    Speaking of generators. why doesn’t Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel
     
    I can get a little Honda diesel generator in the trunk of my car. I'm unaware of anywhere in my County where I could get a zoning permit for a coal one, but you are not alone in your train of thought
    (Steam train of course)

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/coals-next-big-thing-could-be-the-mini-power-plant

    , @(((They))) Live
    @Rob

    Because Nigeria produces 2.5 million barrels of oil a day, they also produce natural Gas, most of which a few years ago they just flared off, I read a stat back in the day that claimed that oil companies in Nigeria flared more Natural gas than was sold in the US every year

    Anyway back to oil, poor Nigerians like to tap into oil pipe lines if they get the chance, with predictable results

    They also steal crude oil and "refine" it in DIY refineries

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkzOB3Xz2ss

    Africans/Nigerians can be pretty good and DIY and backyard innovation, the video below is pretty cool IMO

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlGDhgYw65A

    , @Meretricious
    @Rob

    Rob, TK means to come

  48. jb says:
    @Altai
    @Altai

    The only thing that ever stops mass migration, other than law is the hesitancy of moving to a truly alien place. In reality most immigrants aren't bracing pioneers but droll followers who gladly stick to the paths blazed by previous cohorts of their co-ethnics who, in their new context of being a minority is a largely alien land become the focus of their lives.

    I remember watching a documentary about sub-Saharan asylum seekers in Argentina and I laughed out loud when one guy left the DNC ‘to escape political persecution’ and immediately just became an immigrant and ethnic activist… Seems he forgot about whatever cause he was supposedly advocating for back home now he was safe to do so...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEzl4mK3V5c

    The guy in question appears at 2.38 but the introduction is worth listening to. If only for the line ‘it has even been said that Argentina is more racially European than immigrant-saturated Europe’. The most important graph in the world has consequences for more than just the West.

    The overflow will flow into a lot of countries we traditionally don’t think as being wealthy enough to attract African asylum seekers. Also a growing number are now present in Russia. As in Poland the nucleus was foreign students but over time it’s has grown with visa overstays forming communities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1An2V7mgyQ

    This is ultimately a form of human flood management. But there is huge hope because just like water stopping at a wall of sandbags, so too do people trying to essentially get something for nothing stop when faced with even a little bit of even a relative barrier. It's actually practically really easy to control immigration, this is the element of the whole debate that gets overlooked rhetorically. It's actually really easy. These immigrants are not formidable they just sense weakness. What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.

    Replies: @jb

    What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.

    One of the arguments immigration advocates have made for years is that the pressures driving migrants to seek better lives are so intense that there is nothing Western countries can do to stem the flow, so we should instead be looking for ways to accommodate it. Yet the flow dropped significantly after Trump was elected, before he even had a chance to do anything other than talk shit. So yes, it really is that easy — all you have to do is look at them funny and most will stop coming. (Imagine if Trump had actually been an effective president!)

    • Agree: mc23
    • Replies: @Altai
    @jb

    In 2004 after the foolish accession of the former Warsaw Pact countries into the European Union, Britain, Ireland and Denmark had governments who alone chose not to enforce a 5 year moratorium on the right to work for the new EU citizens. There was the largest migration to Britain and Ireland ever seen afterward (Not so much in Denmark where proficiency in Danish is required alone with most trades jobs having different qualifications).

    There was no storming of illegal immigrants before. Somebody signed a piece of paper and then suddenly they came. Suddenly too it was realised that all sorts of jobs which had previously been employing natives just couldn't do without the new immigrants.

    Then when even more unfortunately Romania and Bulgaria were admitted even the UK put a limit on. But eventually they got the right to work too and then suddenly again it was found the same jobs just couldn't do without the new even poorer immigrants.

    I'm always amazed how immigrants never seem to use the leverage they have of being the only ones who'd do these jobs to get better wages. Each new wave saving these industries take lower wages and working conditions...

  49. Given the sheer scale of these numbers, discussions of African demography tend to evoke heated reactions. On the one hand, there is doom-mongering and thinly veiled racial anxiety about the prospect of tidal waves of African migrants heading north to Europe.

    By doom mongering and racial anxiety they refer to well informed, experienced knowledge and certain expectation.

    Why can’t they say that?

  50. @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world.

    Didn’t we have one for about 10,000 years ending about 500 years ago?

    Seemed to work just fine.

  51. Thanks Steve. This is the most important topic–in human history.

    Even here, a bunch of commenters are deeply passionate … about a lot of shit that does not matter.

    Immigration is the issue. Nothing else is within orders of magnitude. Nations that protect themselves will muddle through and survive. Nations that do not are doomed.

    The 2nd issue is eugenic fertility. But there is time to fix that if you take care of #1. For example, Japan seems to persist in not listening to the minoritarian–“must have immigration!”–babbling. It’s population will fall and the “breeder” Japanese who like having families and making babies will gradually be selected for and it will stabilize. (In my opinion at a much better level for a joint smaller than California.)

    In contrast, the West–unless it wakes up quickly–looks to be doomed by immigration, rendering the eugenic fertility issue completely moot.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev, Mr. Anon, Rob
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad


    Immigration is the issue. Nothing else is within orders of magnitude. Nations that protect themselves will muddle through and survive. Nations that do not are doomed.
     
    Not according to Pew.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/12/by-a-wide-margin-americans-view-inflation-as-the-top-problem-facing-the-country-today/

    The "how we did this link" is worth a read.

    No comment on why some issues are included twice : violent crime, gun crime. and some omitted entirely: Political corruption.

    Quite a coincidence that the order of importance happens to coincide with the sequence order.

    Someone is full of shit and I regret to say I believe it's not you.

    , @Goddard
    @AnotherDad


    This is the most important topic–in human history.
     
    Human history eventuating in a flood of Negritude washing over the Earth—that's a dystopia worse than the sole of O'Brien's shoe. There was hope in the proles, after all; but a black planet means the lights going out for 10,000 years.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  52. @Rob
    @Almost Missouri

    Steve, “Reasons [TK]”? Did you mean TBA or TBD? Even TBD?

    AM, your comment was spot on. Phone service was probably a great leading indicator for investors. “Bumfuckistan has terrible phone service.” Well, only invest in resource extraction there” “Fancyvania has a great phone system for a third world country.” You should invest in light manufacturing.

    Decent phone service required several things that are also required for development — meritocratic hiring in government, a competent technician and engineering segment, a government not running on bribes, and other things, I am sure — oh, and a population that doesn’t take down all the wires to sell the copper as scrap metal, the state of telephony in a country told you quite a lot about it. More importantly, it told you in a way that the government could not hide or spin.

    Today, almost anyone can manage towers run on local generators. Speaking of generators. why doesn't Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel? Does coal just take more infrastructure and distribution capacity than Nigerians can manage?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @(((They))) Live, @Meretricious

    Speaking of generators. why doesn’t Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel

    I can get a little Honda diesel generator in the trunk of my car. I’m unaware of anywhere in my County where I could get a zoning permit for a coal one, but you are not alone in your train of thought
    (Steam train of course)

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/coals-next-big-thing-could-be-the-mini-power-plant

  53. Very slowly, here and there, people are starting to realize that Africa is about to crush the world.

  54. @Rob
    @Almost Missouri

    Steve, “Reasons [TK]”? Did you mean TBA or TBD? Even TBD?

    AM, your comment was spot on. Phone service was probably a great leading indicator for investors. “Bumfuckistan has terrible phone service.” Well, only invest in resource extraction there” “Fancyvania has a great phone system for a third world country.” You should invest in light manufacturing.

    Decent phone service required several things that are also required for development — meritocratic hiring in government, a competent technician and engineering segment, a government not running on bribes, and other things, I am sure — oh, and a population that doesn’t take down all the wires to sell the copper as scrap metal, the state of telephony in a country told you quite a lot about it. More importantly, it told you in a way that the government could not hide or spin.

    Today, almost anyone can manage towers run on local generators. Speaking of generators. why doesn't Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel? Does coal just take more infrastructure and distribution capacity than Nigerians can manage?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @(((They))) Live, @Meretricious

    Because Nigeria produces 2.5 million barrels of oil a day, they also produce natural Gas, most of which a few years ago they just flared off, I read a stat back in the day that claimed that oil companies in Nigeria flared more Natural gas than was sold in the US every year

    Anyway back to oil, poor Nigerians like to tap into oil pipe lines if they get the chance, with predictable results

    They also steal crude oil and “refine” it in DIY refineries

    Africans/Nigerians can be pretty good and DIY and backyard innovation, the video below is pretty cool IMO

    • Thanks: Rob
  55. One good thing that can be said about Nigeria is that they are one of the few countries to develop a domestic music & movie industry that isn’t dependent on the US. The bad news is that wealthy Nigerians can be found on Twitter debating the relative prestige of Harrow vs. Eton.

  56. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    According to The Economist editorial board, the way to fix the world’s problems is to abolish every remains vestige of border and immigration controls. The ‘magic of the market’, they claim, will do the rest.

    Unfortunately, western politicians take The Economist seriously.

  57. I’m trying to imagine a world where a quarter of the inhabitants effectively have Down syndrome. Would tard wrangling be the most in-demand profession, or would we just encourage them to play outside?

  58. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    A familiar and periodcally revisited old refrain at iSteve is the imminence of the African population explosion. But, strangely enough, not much weight is given to the *present reality* of the burgeoning population of the Indian subcontinent, its Malthusian crisis, and it’s ever accelerating emigration to the west.

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @Anonymous

    It’s not strange that so little attention is paid to this because the TFR of south Asian counties has declined in the same pattern as European and East Asian countries. India is now at 2.2, down from over 3 at the start of the century. It won’t be long before the country is below replacement on average.

    Apart from that, South Asian economies are nothing like African countries. South Asian economies have extensively developed sectors beyond mining and subsistence agriculture. One of the poorest of them, Bangladesh, easily beats any African country as a source of sweatshop labor. India exports pharmaceuticals and auto parts and turns raw minerals from Africa into refined items. And India is a net aid donor, meaning it gives more foreign aid than it receives. That is also a contrast with African countries.

    The point is, one shouldn’t fall into the sjw fallacy of imagining that it’s the white man against everyone else. Realistically, every major racial group besides Africans can integrate into some global economic niche within the global capitalist system.

    Even if you imported a low iq slum neighborhood from South Asia and plopped it into the middle of America, the result probably wouldn’t be anywhere near as chaotic as a black ghetto. You probably wouldn’t see teenagers shooting each other or having children out of wedlock at any unusual rate. You probably wouldn’t see people who drove all local businesses away because they stole everything instead of buying it.

    In a merit based economy, some races would end up clustered in lower economic niches than others, but it’s really only Africans that effectively can’t function in an advanced global economy without constant management from external parties.

  59. @Arclight
    The quality of institutions and human capital matters, a reality our current overlords do their best to ignore. Unfortunately it appears Africa is quite poor in both, so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Much has been made of China's 'investments' in Africa, but I wonder if it's going to become something of a white elephant.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @Muggles

    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Zero chance of that.

    First off–“cheap” is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your “cheapness” wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the “developing” world … forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was “inside the walls” of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities–food, minerals–happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly–AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to “reshore” close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern … there’s your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here–and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this–there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else."

    What on earth are you talking about?

    Just close your eyes and imagine: four billion people all throwing a rubber ball through a hoop.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else
     
    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    , @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else

    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM ... If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jb

    , @Rob
    @AnotherDad


    but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this–there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.
     
    That’s a very succinct way of saying that. Thank you. There should be some way to distinguish things that are wealth — physical capital, organizational ability, entrepreneurial ability — and things that may be highly-priced but don’t make society better off. Sports is definitely in the latter category.

    I think the test might be along the lines of a thought experiment on what society would be like without something. If blacks did exist, then the football teams would be all white, and people would still be watching football. Heck, they might enjoy it more because it’s easier to empathize and imagine yourself in a cisracial fantasy. With sports as a whole, what would society be like without them! Probably about the same. People would watch something else on Sunday, maybe dance, maybe drama, but society would not change much. Then imagine the world without cars. It would change so many things I can’t even begin to list them.

    The ability to produce cars is wealth. The ability to throw something is only important when you’re hunting with a spear or atlatl. Usain Bolt has made a lot of money being the fastest 100m sprinter ever, but the world without Bolt is no worse off, someone else would be the fastest man ever.

    This is why I was baffled by French people celebrating “their” World Cup win. It’s a sport, so someone always wins. For society, sports are recreation. I think America would be a happier country if more people played amateur sports — make friends, get exercise, have something to talk about with other dudes — importing aliens to drive (actually) French children out of soccer is insane. The World Cup win should have been a wake-up call. “OMG, we are replacing our nation with Africans.

    Music? Pretty sure people would be listening to music if there were no black people. Europeans had music for centuries without blacks showing the lame whites how to do three soft beats and then a hard beat over and over.

    Think of the opportunity cost of Africans. Forget all the wonderful real estate and public goods (parks, swimming pools, etc) that they ruin in the West. Imagine that Africa were empty. All the plants and animals are there, but no people. It would be a jewel — a grand prize to be won in the great game. All those resources would make it America’s new frontier. There would easily be a million colonists/year. We’d make vaccines for all the tropical diseases and/or use biotechnology to eliminate them entirely. We could probably solve them all in a decade if there were a solid push and the pull of a virgin continent. Now back to reality. Who wants a piece of Africa? Pretty much no one. It comes with too many Africans.

    There’s also the opportunity cost in government. Think of all those positions blacks occupy filled by people with IQ scores 10-15 points higher. A government filled with people who are not trying to hurt America or Americans.

    There’s also how much we have to change about how white people interact with each other to accommodate blacks. Companies cannot give white prospective employees' IQ tests. Judges forced the government to stop giving the civil service exam, even to whites. Heck, a system where every business could test white people as much as they want, but has to fill 13% of their jobs with randomly chosen blacks would be better than we have now.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  60. “Africa isn’t going to generate enough electricity to power air conditioning and Teslas”

    You don’t know that for certain, Mr. Sailer.

    https://african.business/dossiers/energy-in-africa-special-report/

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-in-focus/2022/05/10/the-promise-of-african-clean-hydrogen-exports-potentials-and-pitfalls/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    You don’t know that for certain, Mr. Sailer.
     
    Yes he does. You, on the other hand, know nothing, because you are a prating idiot. If you think the economic prospects in Africa are so great, why don't YOU invest in them.
  61. jb says:

    A friend of mine was weeding an archive, and I acquired a 48 page pamphlet titled Population Pressures in Africa South of the Sahara, written by Richard W. Stephens and published by George Washington University in 1959. This is from the Final Remarks:

    If the general tone of the discussion has been pessimistic it is because the problems of Tropical Africa appear to be almost overwhelming. Not that they are unsolvable, for we know not what wonders lie ahead in our atomic age, but that it is inconceivable that they can be solved by anything short of sudden improvement in many areas at the same time–improvement in agriculture, transportation, communication, education, health and other services–not to mention an overall increasing rate of development in mining and industry. Where does one start when everything is needed badly and no one thing can be accomplished fast enough to prevent its beneficial effects from being wiped out by population growth?

    Even back then it was possible to see it coming. Africa is going to crush the world.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @jb


    Even back then it was possible to see it coming. Africa is going to crush the world.
     
    Yes, but that's only if other countries allow them to. Any country that simply hardens its heart and says "their problem, not mine" can spare itself from the ravages of the Africanus. Sadly, the leadership of all western countries, without exception, is staffed exclusively with self-deprecating, anti-white cucks. We can hope that some of them are merely feigning agreement with the reigning dogma - which at least leaves open the hope of a sudden 'Soviet-style' collapse in morale - but in the meantime the deleterious effects of their policies are the same whether they are true believers or not.
  62. OT: I predicted a year or two ago that Slavs would come to dominate
    tennis, and this has happened. With her win in Rome Iga Światek
    of Poland, a Western Slav, is continuing her reign as World No. 1.
    And she’s still only 20 years old.

    Who can beat Novak Djokovic of Serbia, a Southern Slav? So far nobody.
    With his win in Rome he’s continuing his long reign as World
    No.1. Neither is particularly tall. Iga Światek is 5’9” and Djokovic is 6’2”.
    Of course, Djokovic is fabulously rich, and Światek’s net worth is
    growing rapidly, although she still needs more time to reach
    the level of wealth of her famous compatriot, the footballer
    Robert Lewandowski.

  63. Think how much happier and brighter the world–it’s future–would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the–late–colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.

    This didn’t happen largely because of disease. (Both ways–killing Euros and not killing the natives.) But with bed nets and after quinine and the invention of wire screens (for windows and doors) it was perhaps possible. But instead, it was the age-old “cheap labor” resource exploitation.

    But think of it … instead of our demographic transition, the late 18th century was a huge expansion of European peoples throughout Africa. All the brains and beauty we’d have instead of …

    • Replies: @Spangel226
    @AnotherDad

    It didn’t happen, nor did an alternate past where colonists imported some other race as slave laborers to the Americas.

    So we have to contend with what to do now. Zero immigration is a sensible policy in theory, but that requires a very consistent will, which isn’t going to happen realistically. If any European country opens its borders to African immigrants, they will make their way through the rest of Europe in time as well. We see the problem exemplified with Belarus in that a cynical dictator, who clearly has no love for middle eastern and African migrants, brings them in anyways just to play political football with them.

    Imagine if we had the smarts as a nation to shift part of the US defense budget to providing IUDs to African women of childbearing age. We could pay each one for keeping it in at annual check ups. This would be a far better use of our defense money that useless middle eastern wars and military aid to two faced dictators, and it would actually defend western civilization against a long term problem.

    But no. The right wing repeatedly blocks any aid program to africa that involves birth control and the left wing blocks anything that would make it more difficult for them to migrate or call themselves refugees.

    , @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    Think how much happier and brighter the world–it’s future–would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the–late–colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.
     
    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian. This was when the black African percentage of the world population was less than 10%, and the European percentage was greater than a third.

    At any rate, it's feasible that regional wars like in Ukraine and potentially Taiwan will expand into global ones between the major powers, which will result in a crash in the global economy that inhibits African population growth and external migration.

    Replies: @Malla

    , @MEH 0910
    @AnotherDad

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_pollution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_bioweapon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-it-yourself_biology

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-there-are-those-that-look-at-things-the-way-they-are-and-ask-why-i-dream-of-things-that-robert-kennedy-146-24-57.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare_in_popular_culture

  64. SMK says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian
    The great benefactor of the third world knew this, but nobody would listen...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

    Norman Ernest Borlaug was an American agronomist who led initiatives worldwide that contributed to the extensive increases in agricultural production termed the Green Revolution. Borlaug was awarded multiple honors for his work, including the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.
    ................................................
    Besides increasing the worldwide food supply, early in his career Borlaug stated that taking steps to decrease the rate of population growth will also be necessary to prevent food shortages. In his Nobel Lecture of 1970, Borlaug stated, "Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the 'Population Monster' ... If it continues to increase at the estimated present rate of two percent a year, the world population will reach 6.5 billion by the year 2000 (my remark- more). Currently, with each second, or tick of the clock, about 2.2 additional people are added to the world population. The rhythm of increase will accelerate to 2.7, 3.3, and 4.0 for each tick of the clock by 1980, 1990, and 2000, respectively, unless man becomes more realistic and preoccupied about this impending doom. The tick-tock of the clock will continually grow louder and more menacing each decade. Where will it all end?"

    Replies: @lavoisier, @SMK, @mousey

    “Better or worse”? imagine a nonwhite-majority USA of 500-600 million people with 100-200 million blacks. For whites, an increasingly powerless, dispossessed, and persecuted minority, in what sense would the US be a “better” country? I would be “worse,” obviously, far, far, far worse, catastrophically and apocalyptically so.

    Myriads as opposed to hundreds of whites would be murdered by blacks every year, and millions as opposed to thousands of white females would be raped and gang-raped by blacks, and envision the number of assaults, muggings, armed robberies, home invasions, etc. Atrocities like the Knoxville horror and Wichita massacre and Zebra killings would occur who knows how many times a year and perhaps even monthly. Racially integrated jails and prisons and schools would be far more hellish for whites than they are today and have been since the 1960s. Imagine the black-on-white harassment, bullying, degradation, brutality, terror, assaults, gang rapes, murders.

    And envisage what life would be like for whites in the UK and the nations of Western Europe, and perhaps even Eastern Europe, with tens of millions of blacks and tens of millions of Muslims, overwhelmingly low-IQ young males.

  65. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Zero chance of that.

    First off--"cheap" is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your "cheapness" wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the "developing" world ... forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was "inside the walls" of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities--food, minerals--happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly--AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to "reshore" close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern ... there's your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here--and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this--there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Peter Akuleyev, @epebble, @Rob

    “there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else.”

    What on earth are you talking about?

    Just close your eyes and imagine: four billion people all throwing a rubber ball through a hoop.

  66. John says: • Website

    I never did take that third trip to Cape Verde. I never got my \$737.45 back either. Funny how philosophical I am about this. It is hard, at least for me, to feel bad about not getting back to Africa. Well, I’ll e-mail the airline again. Maybe this time it’ll answer. Probably it won’t.

    In other Dark Continent Nondevelopments, I have yet to get a reply from the Luanda railway. Not that I plan to ride it. I was just curious about how Angolans themselves felt about this Chinese enterprise. The website says the railway is now fully owned by Angola. Is that reassuring? To whom? That’s not what I specifically asked. I asked whether the Chinese were still in the country, maintaining what they’d built, and if there were accidents, was there a Chinese company that handled insurance claims? Wikipedia suggests there are indeed accidents, and for an odd reason: after so many years without rail service, many people fail to understand that trains are different from cars. HOW they fail is not explained, but I fear it’s something perfectly idiotic, like stepping in front of a moving locomotive and expecting it to stop. I’ve never been to Angola and if this is the sort of thing that goes on, I’m staying home and saving my money. A candid response to any e-mail will be entertainment enow.

  67. @Rob
    @Almost Missouri

    Steve, “Reasons [TK]”? Did you mean TBA or TBD? Even TBD?

    AM, your comment was spot on. Phone service was probably a great leading indicator for investors. “Bumfuckistan has terrible phone service.” Well, only invest in resource extraction there” “Fancyvania has a great phone system for a third world country.” You should invest in light manufacturing.

    Decent phone service required several things that are also required for development — meritocratic hiring in government, a competent technician and engineering segment, a government not running on bribes, and other things, I am sure — oh, and a population that doesn’t take down all the wires to sell the copper as scrap metal, the state of telephony in a country told you quite a lot about it. More importantly, it told you in a way that the government could not hide or spin.

    Today, almost anyone can manage towers run on local generators. Speaking of generators. why doesn't Nigeria at least use coal instead of diesel fuel? Does coal just take more infrastructure and distribution capacity than Nigerians can manage?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @(((They))) Live, @Meretricious

    Rob, TK means to come

    • Thanks: Rob
  68. @AnotherDad
    Think how much happier and brighter the world--it's future--would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the--late--colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.

    This didn't happen largely because of disease. (Both ways--killing Euros and not killing the natives.) But with bed nets and after quinine and the invention of wire screens (for windows and doors) it was perhaps possible. But instead, it was the age-old "cheap labor" resource exploitation.

    But think of it ... instead of our demographic transition, the late 18th century was a huge expansion of European peoples throughout Africa. All the brains and beauty we'd have instead of ...

    Replies: @Spangel226, @Anon, @MEH 0910

    It didn’t happen, nor did an alternate past where colonists imported some other race as slave laborers to the Americas.

    So we have to contend with what to do now. Zero immigration is a sensible policy in theory, but that requires a very consistent will, which isn’t going to happen realistically. If any European country opens its borders to African immigrants, they will make their way through the rest of Europe in time as well. We see the problem exemplified with Belarus in that a cynical dictator, who clearly has no love for middle eastern and African migrants, brings them in anyways just to play political football with them.

    Imagine if we had the smarts as a nation to shift part of the US defense budget to providing IUDs to African women of childbearing age. We could pay each one for keeping it in at annual check ups. This would be a far better use of our defense money that useless middle eastern wars and military aid to two faced dictators, and it would actually defend western civilization against a long term problem.

    But no. The right wing repeatedly blocks any aid program to africa that involves birth control and the left wing blocks anything that would make it more difficult for them to migrate or call themselves refugees.

  69. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it.
     
    Wait, that's a reason for optimism? I thought that was yet another reason for pessimism. After all, the net result for Africans from all of the additional technology, energy, and money that SS Africa has been getting is ... more Africans, while the net result for the rest of the world is ... more African migrants and more of their customs that were previously confined to Africa.

    Unless you mean the "reason for optimism" for Africans invading, colonizing, and despoiling the rest of the world, in which case, yeah, spot on.


    It’s not unreasonable to hope that black countries, to the extent that they can maintain peace in the countryside, can use solar power and possibilities like Starlink to connect most everybody eventually to the Internet. Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet, enabling practically everybody in Nigeria to...
     
    ...see cousin Jamal's Facebook posts from London showcasing his boss lifestyle, so their next Skype call will be to the people smugglers to help arrange for them to get somma dat!

    Nobody knows precisely what the population of Nigeria is
     
    No worries. Soon we'll be able to count them all here. Well, provided there is still anyone left here who cares about counting people.

    ---------

    P.S. Am I missing out on this "[reasons TK]" reference?

    Replies: @Rob, @Anonymous

    P.S. Am I missing out on this “[reasons TK]” reference?

    It’s a joke. TK = To Come. Apparently, you’ve never written for a publication on deadline and structured out the copy so layout can start making up pages, placing TKs for quotes from people who haven’t returned your call or the statistic Research hasn’t sent up to you yet (or you haven’t dug up yet). Even guys who only ever worked on their high school newspaper would get it.

  70. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it’s just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    It does not bode well for my posterity either, but I think there is a good chance–maybe 25%ish–that the world of say 2200 will be entirely populated by Chinese.

  71. @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    There is one simple solution to nearly all of Africa’s problems re: economics.

    Property rights.

    That is, legally protected and fairly arbitrated and enforced property rights.

    Africa is the continent with the worst record and status here. Are property rights (for individuals, private business) enforced like that anywhere there? No.

    Instead with have neo-tribal oligarchies, dictatorships, military junta rule and semi democracies where governments arbitrarily change laws, raise taxes, confiscate property and assets and generally ignore western or (modern) eastern property rights.

    We often see do-gooders like Gates and Oprah and others of that ilk claim to start business “incubators” and the like in Africa. They last a few years at most. Success is punished by cronyism and confiscation by various means. “Getting rich” in Africa means political thievery. Secure investment for billions there is extremely difficult.

    Russia has a similar problem. China also though there is an intellectual recognition that “communism” and socialism doesn’t work. Average people in China over-invest in housing property (though seldom land ownership, which isn’t secure or even possible in many respects) instead of stocks or productive assets. The low trust here turns China into a 19th century relic economically other that its export driven and protected industries.

    A Rule of Law enforced along with the related property rights are needed. Vague claims of something for nothing or politically directed government control of assets isn’t property rights.

    Private ownership of capital is the engine of wealth, no matter where.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Muggles

    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mark G.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Muggles

    It's full of blacks. No particular mystery here.

  72. @Arclight
    The quality of institutions and human capital matters, a reality our current overlords do their best to ignore. Unfortunately it appears Africa is quite poor in both, so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.

    Much has been made of China's 'investments' in Africa, but I wonder if it's going to become something of a white elephant.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @Muggles

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa, but I wonder if it’s going to become something of a white elephant.

    No need to wonder.

    Other than access to and export of minerals and a few other raw materials China will receive nothing for “investment” there.

    They already are seeing the usual pattern of non repaid loans for infrastructure development mostly stage managed by the World Bank or other NGO racketeers.

    “Loans” to Africa don’t get repaid but interest is merely tacked on to the principal. Hard currency goes to government insiders, oligarchs and the politically connected.

    China has pulled back their expansion into Africa since the continent is a money pit no matter what race is “investing” there.

    There are very small equity markets in the more advanced African countries. You can buy shares there, or mutual funds. They are largely ignored.

    Liberal left African (White) apologists don’t invest their film salaries in Africa. Nor do wealthy Africans.

    • Thanks: Arclight
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Muggles


    “Loans” to Africa don’t get repaid but interest is merely tacked on to the principal. Hard currency goes to government insiders, oligarchs and the politically connected.
     
    Kohl granted Gorbachev 100DM in return for Russia not making an issue of Nato moving it charter 5 protection to include East Germany when unification happened in due course. Subsequently Yeltsin's cronies stole vast amounts in German loans. Ukrainian politicians gave up nuclear weapons because Clinton's US paid them off, and kept making extra payments as the Ukrainian had last minute difficulties in order to squeeze some more. The chagrin of the Ukrainians can be imagined when in return for agreeing to relinquish ex Soviet nukes Kazakhstan extracted far more cash from the US.
  73. @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is one simple solution to nearly all of Africa's problems re: economics.

    Property rights.

    That is, legally protected and fairly arbitrated and enforced property rights.

    Africa is the continent with the worst record and status here. Are property rights (for individuals, private business) enforced like that anywhere there? No.

    Instead with have neo-tribal oligarchies, dictatorships, military junta rule and semi democracies where governments arbitrarily change laws, raise taxes, confiscate property and assets and generally ignore western or (modern) eastern property rights.

    We often see do-gooders like Gates and Oprah and others of that ilk claim to start business "incubators" and the like in Africa. They last a few years at most. Success is punished by cronyism and confiscation by various means. "Getting rich" in Africa means political thievery. Secure investment for billions there is extremely difficult.

    Russia has a similar problem. China also though there is an intellectual recognition that "communism" and socialism doesn't work. Average people in China over-invest in housing property (though seldom land ownership, which isn't secure or even possible in many respects) instead of stocks or productive assets. The low trust here turns China into a 19th century relic economically other that its export driven and protected industries.

    A Rule of Law enforced along with the related property rights are needed. Vague claims of something for nothing or politically directed government control of assets isn't property rights.

    Private ownership of capital is the engine of wealth, no matter where.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Wokechoke

    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Peter Akuleyev


    How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?
     
    Might makes right.
    , @Mark G.
    @Peter Akuleyev


    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?
     
    You need to move away from a tribal society to a society based on freedom and individual rights. Is it possible for Africa to do this? Not likely. Humans lived in tribalistic societies with little in the way of property rights and rule of law for thousands of years. This changed but we don't really know why it changed. We do know the change mainly happened in Europe and countries where Europeans moved to. The Foreign Policy author mentions South Africa. With its apartheid system, South Africa was hardly a bastion of property rights and the rule of law but the ten percent of the population that was white created a semi-capitalist country with the highest standard of living in Africa.

    In recent years China moved away from Communism starting under the pragmatist Deng, followed by rapid economic growth. Why Africa may not be able to do the same is that the level of intelligence required to grasp what preconditions need to be met to create economic growth may not exist on a continent with an average IQ of 80. Any African economic growth and population growth largely comes from importing Western medicine and technology, is not internally generated and likely will never be internally generated.
  74. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    Think how much happier and brighter the world--it's future--would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the--late--colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.

    This didn't happen largely because of disease. (Both ways--killing Euros and not killing the natives.) But with bed nets and after quinine and the invention of wire screens (for windows and doors) it was perhaps possible. But instead, it was the age-old "cheap labor" resource exploitation.

    But think of it ... instead of our demographic transition, the late 18th century was a huge expansion of European peoples throughout Africa. All the brains and beauty we'd have instead of ...

    Replies: @Spangel226, @Anon, @MEH 0910

    Think how much happier and brighter the world–it’s future–would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the–late–colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.

    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian. This was when the black African percentage of the world population was less than 10%, and the European percentage was greater than a third.

    At any rate, it’s feasible that regional wars like in Ukraine and potentially Taiwan will expand into global ones between the major powers, which will result in a crash in the global economy that inhibits African population growth and external migration.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Anon


    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian.
     
    Not true, that is what they thought before White rule. Africa's population was winding down. You are talking about the writings of White explorers. Whitey Empires , especially Christian missionaries reversed that. People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man's burden). Whitey committed suicide because of excessive Christian morality, enlightenment ideology and great expectations that blacks will eventually become Whites with black skin, disregarding race upto some extent. A few Blacks did come out bright and became smart, studying in European/Western universities but they all got radicalized and came back as "revolutionaries", funded by Wall Street and armed by Communist nations. Full of hate Whitey.
    Black populations boomed with contact with Whitey (medicine, hygiene, order etc...) weather in European Empires, Rhodesia, South Africa, Caribbean, Brazil, USA, you name it.

    From the book "The negroes in negroland", by Hinton Rowan Helper, which is a compilation of many travelogues to Africa before non Portuguese European Empires.
    https://archive.org/details/negroesinnegrola00help_0
    CHAPTER XXVIII, Page 158
    Gradual Decrease And Probable Extinction Of The Negro Race

    " I have been struck with the steady decrease of the population, even during the short time I have been in Africa, on the coast and in the interior ; but before I account for it, let me raise my voice in defence of the white man, who is accused as being the cause of it. Wherever he settles, the aborigines are said to disappear. I admit that such is the case ; but the decrease of the population had already taken place before the white man came ; the white man noticed it, but could not stop it. Populous tribes whom I saw for a second time, and who had seen no white man and his fiery water, have decreased, and this decrease took place before the terrible plague that desolated the land had made its appearance. The negroes themselves acknowledge the decrease.
    Clans in the life-time of old men have entirely disappeared ; in others, only a few individuals remain." — Du ChailhCs Ashango-Land, page 225.

    The decrease of the African population is owing to several causes: the slave-trade, polygamy, barrenness of women, death among children, plagues, and witchcraft, — the latter taking away more lives than any slave-trade ever did. The negro does not seem to diminish only in the region I have visited ; but in every other part of Africa, travellers, who after the lapse of a few years have returned a second time in the same country, have noticed a decrease of population. . . . The women of the interior are prolific, and in despite of it shall we assume that the negro race has run its course, and that in due course of time it will disappear, as many races of mankind have done before him ? The Southern States of America were, I believe, the only country in which the negro is known to have increased." — Du Chaillu's Asliango-Land, page 435. "

    But soon came Whitey in force to save the Black man who centuries later will expand and extinguish Whitey. Whitey is suicidal, like some gigantic Jesus Christ sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind, sins which will go and and increase exponentially after Whitey disappears. So the sacrifice wassa waste.

    Replies: @Malla

  75. Adam Tooze is a columnist at Foreign Policy and a history professor and director of the European Institute at Columbia University. His latest book is Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises Changed the World , and he is currently working on a history of the climate crisis.

    Is he going to include all the failed predictions of the Anthropogenic Global Warming crowd?

    Is Tooze just being discrete about the social and economic prospects of Africa, or is he just naive? It’s hard to tell, given how stupid some of our supposedly smartest people are. Certainly, to speak honestly about what the numbers imply is to invite instant and total cancelation (just ask James Watson).

    Interesting fact, Tooze’s grandfather was a Soviet Spy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wynn

    Tooze dedicated a book to him.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Anon

    He really might be that dumb.

  76. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Zero chance of that.

    First off--"cheap" is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your "cheapness" wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the "developing" world ... forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was "inside the walls" of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities--food, minerals--happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly--AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to "reshore" close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern ... there's your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here--and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this--there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Peter Akuleyev, @epebble, @Rob

    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else

    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    • Troll: Spangel226
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Peter Akuleyev

    https://i.ibb.co/FgCkQrf/DKIM-q-MWk-AA7l8-U.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/pZJX8QF/i-d-tap-that.png

    , @Mike Tre
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Speaking from experience?

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women."


    It's not very big or lucrative though. In my youth I frequented reggae clubs/pubs and you'd see the odd rough-looking 40 year old working class woman who was there to be used by 'the youth'. A bit sad. But that was about it.

    Middle class women who want some strange tend to not to do it at home but holiday in places like Jamaica or the Gambia where "rent-a-dread" is a thing.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @bomag
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Seems a field that a well designed machine could rapidly conquer.

  77. @Corvinus
    “Africa isn’t going to generate enough electricity to power air conditioning and Teslas”

    You don’t know that for certain, Mr. Sailer.

    https://african.business/dossiers/energy-in-africa-special-report/

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-in-focus/2022/05/10/the-promise-of-african-clean-hydrogen-exports-potentials-and-pitfalls/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    You don’t know that for certain, Mr. Sailer.

    Yes he does. You, on the other hand, know nothing, because you are a prating idiot. If you think the economic prospects in Africa are so great, why don’t YOU invest in them.

  78. @Bardon Kaldian
    The great benefactor of the third world knew this, but nobody would listen...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

    Norman Ernest Borlaug was an American agronomist who led initiatives worldwide that contributed to the extensive increases in agricultural production termed the Green Revolution. Borlaug was awarded multiple honors for his work, including the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.
    ................................................
    Besides increasing the worldwide food supply, early in his career Borlaug stated that taking steps to decrease the rate of population growth will also be necessary to prevent food shortages. In his Nobel Lecture of 1970, Borlaug stated, "Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the 'Population Monster' ... If it continues to increase at the estimated present rate of two percent a year, the world population will reach 6.5 billion by the year 2000 (my remark- more). Currently, with each second, or tick of the clock, about 2.2 additional people are added to the world population. The rhythm of increase will accelerate to 2.7, 3.3, and 4.0 for each tick of the clock by 1980, 1990, and 2000, respectively, unless man becomes more realistic and preoccupied about this impending doom. The tick-tock of the clock will continually grow louder and more menacing each decade. Where will it all end?"

    Replies: @lavoisier, @SMK, @mousey

    Wasn’t there someone who gave the Sierra Club a very large donation with the stipulation that they never express concerns about over-population again?

  79. @bomag

    ...the simple fact of the matter is that we have no experience to go on. [as to whether the rising African population will stay home and build better; or migrate away]
     
    I'd say we have plenty of experience.

    ______________________________________________________________

    There is a vein of fear that modern science will give us a bomb; a bug; or a poison that will destroy us all. In the running now: modern medicine has allowed the least capable among us to reproduce prodigiously, giving us a population bomb that negates nice things.

    Replies: @jsm, @jay

    One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it

    Not a reason for optimism. Read Cyril M. Kornbluth’s The Little Black Bag https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluth-littleblack/kornbluth-littleblack-00-h.html

  80. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Zero chance of that.

    First off--"cheap" is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your "cheapness" wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the "developing" world ... forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was "inside the walls" of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities--food, minerals--happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly--AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to "reshore" close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern ... there's your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here--and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this--there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Peter Akuleyev, @epebble, @Rob

    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else

    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM … If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM … If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.
     
    I certainly understand your point pebble--sports.

    But because it is ubiquitous people overestimate its economic importance. Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams "value", the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined. And that would be true of GM and Ford and GE as well, except that they all carry quite a bit of debt. But the actual economic value of any one of these company's operations is greater than all the sports stuff--football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. (Not to mention there actual value value. Those firms produce actually useful stuff, sports is entertainment--and right now blackety, black toxic.)

    Replies: @epebble, @kaganovitch

    , @jb
    @epebble

    If there were no blacks in sports then sports would be dominated by white athletes who perhaps couldn't run quite as fast or jump just quite as high, but were still pretty impressive. No one would notice or care about the missing increment in performance. People would continue to root for the home team. There would be no economic impact whatsoever. And no matter how much money it brings in, sports isn't really important.

    Artistic achievement is more important than athletic achievement (IMO anyway), and blacks have made some significant contributions there. But still, even if we didn't have jazz, we would still have music -- it would simply have gone down a different path. Maybe better, maybe worse, who can say?

  81. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Muggles

    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mark G.

    How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    Might makes right.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  82. OT: A Mexican planet also has its charms. From San Jose, a family of Mexicans suffocated their 3 year old child while performing an exorcism:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-3-year-old-girl-died-after-being-suffocated-by-family-members-during-an-exorcism-prosecutors-allege/ar-AAXiPVu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=17897dfdb017482fafb5d5b64d64993f

    Would be interesting to know how many exorcisms were performed in San Jose in 1955 when it was still boringly Anglo-Saxon.

    Diversity is our Strength

  83. And if you want to see Africa’s amazing wildlife – actually in the wild – better go soon before it has all been eaten.

  84. “Black people give me the blues,
    but I hope to find solace in booze.
    Because they over-copulate,
    they over-populate,”
    protested J. Adam Tooze.

  85. like the one the Bell System provided admirably in the U.S.

    And there were big problems with it, in America.

    I heard at one time, it was really difficult to get your own phone line. Someone I knew worked for Ma Bell, and he said he couldn’t get one installed, until he told his boss that he didn’t want to be on a party-line with his mother.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @songbird

    And there were big problems with it, in America.

    Famously, Bell System was extremely monopolistic, at least till the Carterfone decision. Once Carterfone was upheld, the monopolistic iceberg slowly started melting and finally vanished in the nineties., thanks to William McGowan, who founded MCI.

    Their treatment of Walter L Shaw's inventions drove him to desperation who ended up helping the Mafia to make a living and ended up in jail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carterfone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._McGowan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_L._Shaw

  86. @AnotherDad
    Think how much happier and brighter the world--it's future--would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the--late--colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.

    This didn't happen largely because of disease. (Both ways--killing Euros and not killing the natives.) But with bed nets and after quinine and the invention of wire screens (for windows and doors) it was perhaps possible. But instead, it was the age-old "cheap labor" resource exploitation.

    But think of it ... instead of our demographic transition, the late 18th century was a huge expansion of European peoples throughout Africa. All the brains and beauty we'd have instead of ...

    Replies: @Spangel226, @Anon, @MEH 0910

  87. Sean says:
    @Muggles
    @Arclight


    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa, but I wonder if it’s going to become something of a white elephant.
     
    No need to wonder.

    Other than access to and export of minerals and a few other raw materials China will receive nothing for "investment" there.

    They already are seeing the usual pattern of non repaid loans for infrastructure development mostly stage managed by the World Bank or other NGO racketeers.

    "Loans" to Africa don't get repaid but interest is merely tacked on to the principal. Hard currency goes to government insiders, oligarchs and the politically connected.

    China has pulled back their expansion into Africa since the continent is a money pit no matter what race is "investing" there.

    There are very small equity markets in the more advanced African countries. You can buy shares there, or mutual funds. They are largely ignored.

    Liberal left African (White) apologists don't invest their film salaries in Africa. Nor do wealthy Africans.

    Replies: @Sean

    “Loans” to Africa don’t get repaid but interest is merely tacked on to the principal. Hard currency goes to government insiders, oligarchs and the politically connected.

    Kohl granted Gorbachev 100DM in return for Russia not making an issue of Nato moving it charter 5 protection to include East Germany when unification happened in due course. Subsequently Yeltsin’s cronies stole vast amounts in German loans. Ukrainian politicians gave up nuclear weapons because Clinton’s US paid them off, and kept making extra payments as the Ukrainian had last minute difficulties in order to squeeze some more. The chagrin of the Ukrainians can be imagined when in return for agreeing to relinquish ex Soviet nukes Kazakhstan extracted far more cash from the US.

  88. @Dmon
    Even subsistence farming is a stretch, as illustrated by Zimbabwe.

    When Commodore Perry sailed/steamed into Tokyo Bay in 1853, Japan was basically stuck in the 17th century. Within 50 years, they had transformed into pretty much a modern, industrial country, decisively defeating the Russian Empire in a war, and on their way to becoming literally a world leader in cutting edge technology. Zimbabwe became fully independent in 1980, and in well under 50 years they were literally starving to death. South Africa has been run by blacks since 1990, and starting with at least a first-and-a-half world nation, they are well on their way to the 17th century. So one way to look at the vector of African development is that the magnitude of their progress is equal to or better than Japan's, just with a 180 degree phase shift.

    Replies: @Bert

    IQ is everything, in the individual and in the race. Or as per my preferred taxonomy, in the species.

  89. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else
     
    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    • LOL: Kylie
  90. S says:

    Heston tried to warn us back in ’73 where this was all going: 🙂

    ‘By 2022, the cumulative effects of overpopulation, pollution and an apparent climate catastrophe have caused severe worldwide shortages of food, water and housing. There are 40 million people in New York City alone, where only the city’s elite can afford spacious apartments, clean water and natural food. The homes of the elite are fortified, with private security, bodyguards for their tenants, and usually include concubines (who are referred to as “furniture” and serve the tenants as slaves).’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  91. @Anonymous
    A familiar and periodcally revisited old refrain at iSteve is the imminence of the African population explosion. But, strangely enough, not much weight is given to the *present reality* of the burgeoning population of the Indian subcontinent, its Malthusian crisis, and it's ever accelerating emigration to the west.

    Replies: @Spangel226

    It’s not strange that so little attention is paid to this because the TFR of south Asian counties has declined in the same pattern as European and East Asian countries. India is now at 2.2, down from over 3 at the start of the century. It won’t be long before the country is below replacement on average.

    Apart from that, South Asian economies are nothing like African countries. South Asian economies have extensively developed sectors beyond mining and subsistence agriculture. One of the poorest of them, Bangladesh, easily beats any African country as a source of sweatshop labor. India exports pharmaceuticals and auto parts and turns raw minerals from Africa into refined items. And India is a net aid donor, meaning it gives more foreign aid than it receives. That is also a contrast with African countries.

    The point is, one shouldn’t fall into the sjw fallacy of imagining that it’s the white man against everyone else. Realistically, every major racial group besides Africans can integrate into some global economic niche within the global capitalist system.

    Even if you imported a low iq slum neighborhood from South Asia and plopped it into the middle of America, the result probably wouldn’t be anywhere near as chaotic as a black ghetto. You probably wouldn’t see teenagers shooting each other or having children out of wedlock at any unusual rate. You probably wouldn’t see people who drove all local businesses away because they stole everything instead of buying it.

    In a merit based economy, some races would end up clustered in lower economic niches than others, but it’s really only Africans that effectively can’t function in an advanced global economy without constant management from external parties.

  92. @Mr. Anon

    Adam Tooze is a columnist at Foreign Policy and a history professor and director of the European Institute at Columbia University. His latest book is Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises Changed the World , and he is currently working on a history of the climate crisis.
     
    Is he going to include all the failed predictions of the Anthropogenic Global Warming crowd?

    Is Tooze just being discrete about the social and economic prospects of Africa, or is he just naive? It's hard to tell, given how stupid some of our supposedly smartest people are. Certainly, to speak honestly about what the numbers imply is to invite instant and total cancelation (just ask James Watson).

    Interesting fact, Tooze's grandfather was a Soviet Spy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wynn

    Tooze dedicated a book to him.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    He really might be that dumb.

  93. @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is one simple solution to nearly all of Africa's problems re: economics.

    Property rights.

    That is, legally protected and fairly arbitrated and enforced property rights.

    Africa is the continent with the worst record and status here. Are property rights (for individuals, private business) enforced like that anywhere there? No.

    Instead with have neo-tribal oligarchies, dictatorships, military junta rule and semi democracies where governments arbitrarily change laws, raise taxes, confiscate property and assets and generally ignore western or (modern) eastern property rights.

    We often see do-gooders like Gates and Oprah and others of that ilk claim to start business "incubators" and the like in Africa. They last a few years at most. Success is punished by cronyism and confiscation by various means. "Getting rich" in Africa means political thievery. Secure investment for billions there is extremely difficult.

    Russia has a similar problem. China also though there is an intellectual recognition that "communism" and socialism doesn't work. Average people in China over-invest in housing property (though seldom land ownership, which isn't secure or even possible in many respects) instead of stocks or productive assets. The low trust here turns China into a 19th century relic economically other that its export driven and protected industries.

    A Rule of Law enforced along with the related property rights are needed. Vague claims of something for nothing or politically directed government control of assets isn't property rights.

    Private ownership of capital is the engine of wealth, no matter where.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Wokechoke

    It’s full of blacks. No particular mystery here.

  94. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    The Chinese will be ruthless when this “experiment” in Africa starts to go south on them.

  95. @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else

    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM ... If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jb

    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM … If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.

    I certainly understand your point pebble–sports.

    But because it is ubiquitous people overestimate its economic importance. Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams “value”, the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined. And that would be true of GM and Ford and GE as well, except that they all carry quite a bit of debt. But the actual economic value of any one of these company’s operations is greater than all the sports stuff–football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. (Not to mention there actual value value. Those firms produce actually useful stuff, sports is entertainment–and right now blackety, black toxic.)

    • Replies: @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    Not just sports; How about popular culture? Much of our music and TV shows involve blacks. Our politics seems heavily driven by black agenda, on either side of the isle - The Democrats figuring how to cater to them and the Republicans tiptoeing on eggshells not to be accused of racism; every statement, policy and thought to be analyzed for overtones or undertones of dog whistle.

    , @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams “value”, the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined.

    While I'm not sure how much stock to put in Forbes estimate of sports franchises value, in 2020 they estimated the NFL total value at close to 100 billion and NBA at 75 billion. So substantially more than IBM(121B at today's close.)

  96. @songbird

    like the one the Bell System provided admirably in the U.S.
     
    And there were big problems with it, in America.

    I heard at one time, it was really difficult to get your own phone line. Someone I knew worked for Ma Bell, and he said he couldn't get one installed, until he told his boss that he didn't want to be on a party-line with his mother.

    Replies: @epebble

    And there were big problems with it, in America.

    Famously, Bell System was extremely monopolistic, at least till the Carterfone decision. Once Carterfone was upheld, the monopolistic iceberg slowly started melting and finally vanished in the nineties., thanks to William McGowan, who founded MCI.

    Their treatment of Walter L Shaw’s inventions drove him to desperation who ended up helping the Mafia to make a living and ended up in jail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carterfone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._McGowan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_L._Shaw

    • Thanks: songbird
  97. @AnotherDad
    Thanks Steve. This is the most important topic--in human history.

    Even here, a bunch of commenters are deeply passionate ... about a lot of shit that does not matter.

    Immigration is the issue. Nothing else is within orders of magnitude. Nations that protect themselves will muddle through and survive. Nations that do not are doomed.

    The 2nd issue is eugenic fertility. But there is time to fix that if you take care of #1. For example, Japan seems to persist in not listening to the minoritarian--"must have immigration!"--babbling. It's population will fall and the "breeder" Japanese who like having families and making babies will gradually be selected for and it will stabilize. (In my opinion at a much better level for a joint smaller than California.)

    In contrast, the West--unless it wakes up quickly--looks to be doomed by immigration, rendering the eugenic fertility issue completely moot.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Goddard

    Immigration is the issue. Nothing else is within orders of magnitude. Nations that protect themselves will muddle through and survive. Nations that do not are doomed.

    Not according to Pew.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/12/by-a-wide-margin-americans-view-inflation-as-the-top-problem-facing-the-country-today/

    The “how we did this link” is worth a read.

    No comment on why some issues are included twice : violent crime, gun crime. and some omitted entirely: Political corruption.

    Quite a coincidence that the order of importance happens to coincide with the sequence order.

    Someone is full of shit and I regret to say I believe it’s not you.

  98. @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM … If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.
     
    I certainly understand your point pebble--sports.

    But because it is ubiquitous people overestimate its economic importance. Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams "value", the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined. And that would be true of GM and Ford and GE as well, except that they all carry quite a bit of debt. But the actual economic value of any one of these company's operations is greater than all the sports stuff--football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. (Not to mention there actual value value. Those firms produce actually useful stuff, sports is entertainment--and right now blackety, black toxic.)

    Replies: @epebble, @kaganovitch

    Not just sports; How about popular culture? Much of our music and TV shows involve blacks. Our politics seems heavily driven by black agenda, on either side of the isle – The Democrats figuring how to cater to them and the Republicans tiptoeing on eggshells not to be accused of racism; every statement, policy and thought to be analyzed for overtones or undertones of dog whistle.

  99. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Muggles

    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mark G.

    This is a circular problem. Property rights don’t exist in a vacuum. You need rule of law, precedent, reliable record keeping and authorities that will respect and enforce those rights. African countries invariably have none of those. How do you establish property rights in a tribal society?

    You need to move away from a tribal society to a society based on freedom and individual rights. Is it possible for Africa to do this? Not likely. Humans lived in tribalistic societies with little in the way of property rights and rule of law for thousands of years. This changed but we don’t really know why it changed. We do know the change mainly happened in Europe and countries where Europeans moved to. The Foreign Policy author mentions South Africa. With its apartheid system, South Africa was hardly a bastion of property rights and the rule of law but the ten percent of the population that was white created a semi-capitalist country with the highest standard of living in Africa.

    In recent years China moved away from Communism starting under the pragmatist Deng, followed by rapid economic growth. Why Africa may not be able to do the same is that the level of intelligence required to grasp what preconditions need to be met to create economic growth may not exist on a continent with an average IQ of 80. Any African economic growth and population growth largely comes from importing Western medicine and technology, is not internally generated and likely will never be internally generated.

  100. Not gonna happen. Sailer and others keep scaring people with this “fear of a black planet,” but look, there’s worldwide inflation, economic crisis, food crisis, maybe a third world war on the horizon, there’s no way that current levels of growth will be maintained in Africa, and I doubt that there will be a lot more immigration of them to the West as things get worse, things will be fucked-up both in Africa as in the West. Thanks, Great Resetters. “You will own nothing and you’ll be happy” is closer than you think.

  101. nonblacks possess more than a “fear” of a black planet; they have a DREAD of one. Sub-Saharan Africa is an ongoing horror film

  102. White elites should ask : who will be the new Scotch Irish “SI”? The Quakers used the SI to protect the Appalachian region from Siberian -American tribes / Indians…….now will they deploy to protect their womenfolk and settlements from Nigerians?

    Hmm why not use the old proven band of Scotch Irish? It is a proven solution…

    • Replies: @Anon
    @houston 1992

    The Scots-Irish were not the only whites who moved into the Appalachians. There were also a sizable number of English, Germans and Dutch. The Scots-Irish were really Northern English and Southern Scots.

  103. @Thulean Friend

    The days are gone in which anyone would confidently recommend one particular development model.
     
    This only reveals Tooze's neoliberal bias. Listian growth has been the standard model for all of today's rich countries, starting with Northern Europe in the 19th century to end with the East Asian miracles in the 2nd half of the 20th century, bleeding into the early part of the 21st for China and Vietnam.

    One should also note that most mainstream economists were *very* skeptical about South Korea in the early 1960s but were much more bullish on the newly decolonised African countries. The argument went that these African countries had a large railway network, plenty of resources, lots of room (population density even today is remarkably low for many SSA countries) plus an Anglophone/Francophone elite which would make it easier to sign trade deals.

    We all know what actually happened.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Rob

    Plus Christian churches/missions that provided aid, taught English and morals, distributed literature , provided scholarships to train lawyers , judges etc And, although those individuals who received the post grad degrees at Oxford etc benefitted, it is hard to see how their native countries e.g. Zimbabwe benefitted

    ) Some insist that African clergy will save the European Christian churches; perhaps more likely that the disappearance of European-descent clergy will hasten the decline of Christianity in Europe, unless the new clergy possess Obama levels of charisma

    ) Many insist that SSA countries are fervently Christian (and African -descent Christians are more fervent, more devout and more spiritual…… Hmm there bishops and cardinals are less insane than the “woke” idiots in Europe…… one wonders if an African pope who is a realist might change the conversation.

  104. Don’t worry chaps, Pelosi is focusing on what’s really important.

    “Pelosi is opening a liquor store in the House where Members can buy alcohol with their taxpayer-funded MRAs,” Rep. Austin Scott, R.-GA., announced in a tweet Friday.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/racist-pelosi-opens-liquor-store-congress-must-show-get-served/

  105. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else
     
    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    Speaking from experience?

  106. @Flip
    I’m old enough to remember when AIDS and famine were going to wipe out the population of Africa. I guess that didn’t happen.

    Replies: @Corn

    Africa always wins

  107. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else
     
    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    “There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.”

    It’s not very big or lucrative though. In my youth I frequented reggae clubs/pubs and you’d see the odd rough-looking 40 year old working class woman who was there to be used by ‘the youth’. A bit sad. But that was about it.

    Middle class women who want some strange tend to not to do it at home but holiday in places like Jamaica or the Gambia where “rent-a-dread” is a thing.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Middle class women who want some strange tend to not to do it at home but holiday in places like Jamaica or the Gambia where “rent-a-dread” is a thing.
     
    That’s what I was talking about. Very few white women want to sleep with immigrants, they want to safely indulge their fantasies abroad. Seems to me this is more a phenomenon in Northen Europe than in the US, where white women don’t romanticize black men because they have had more actual interaction with them.
  108. TG says:

    “Africa’s population may stabilize in the same way India’s and China’s are…”

    I’m sorry, but this illustrates a total ignorance of the most basic facts of demographics

    China’s population stabilized because, after Mao’s disastrous “strength through numbers” pro-natalist campaign, they lowered their fertility rate to less than the physical maximum. It wasn’t always pretty, but it lifted over a billion people out of poverty. Now China is about three times subsistence, about 450 kg/grain/person/year.

    In India they kept on breeding to the maximum, and now fertility rates have fallen to about 2 – but only because they are so poor that they physically can’t have more than two children each! Food grain production remains at a low level of subsistence of about 150 kg/person/yr. You can’t do worse! This is the Malthusian catastrophe, not global apocalyptic famine, but brutal crushing subsistence level poverty and chronic malnutrition.

    The population stabilization in China and India could not be more different.

    Will Africa’s population hit four billion? Not if they can’t grow enough food it won’t.

    Will the Africans swarm into Europe and the Americas? Only if our ruling class lets them. If they don’t, then chronic malnutrition will keep their numbers in check, as it has throughout history.

    But a long term ‘solution’ to this issue could be for northern countries to stop putting vitamin D supplements into food. I’m not saying we should do that, but if civilization collapses or even decays, it could happen on its own. And then things would slowly go back to where they were before.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @TG

    Many of the problems Western Societies face are due to the pathological altruism of Whites.

  109. @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    There is a model that works for them. At least it worked for them. It’s 1750 and a population of 82M.

    The entire global population increase since is attributable to technology. Africans are largely incapable of maintaining technology or the orginazational forms necessary to deploy it. They are certainly not capable of the substantial innovation that will become necessary in order to maintain today’s living standards amid dwindling easy energy reserves, much less shouldering the increased burden of billions more of them.

    The solution is obvious and natural: The African population will starve, slaughter and plague its way back to the natural tech-free carrying capacity, perhaps taking the show on the road.

    It’ll be something to watch years of the effeminate West’s feed-the-deer morality create a working approximation to hell.

    • Thanks: Goddard
    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @Negrolphin Pool


    There is a model that works for them. At least it worked for them. It’s 1750 and a population of 82M.
     
    Yes, along with cannabalism and slavery, and not having penicillin.
  110. ““demographic dividend,” the phase in which a national economy enjoys the benefit of having a large share of working-age people”

    but what if they don’t have a work ethic and just want to sit around all day and make babies?

  111. Anonymous[677] • Disclaimer says:

    Really should not matter, or wouldn’t be any one’s concern if not for the large migrations from poorer regions into “developed” regions that has been happening, though easily preventable. Africa is still under populated. Black Africa despite what commenters here think will be developed and wealthy, it will be developed by black Africans.

  112. @jb
    @Altai


    What is hard to find in the West today is merely the will.
     
    One of the arguments immigration advocates have made for years is that the pressures driving migrants to seek better lives are so intense that there is nothing Western countries can do to stem the flow, so we should instead be looking for ways to accommodate it. Yet the flow dropped significantly after Trump was elected, before he even had a chance to do anything other than talk shit. So yes, it really is that easy -- all you have to do is look at them funny and most will stop coming. (Imagine if Trump had actually been an effective president!)

    Replies: @Altai

    In 2004 after the foolish accession of the former Warsaw Pact countries into the European Union, Britain, Ireland and Denmark had governments who alone chose not to enforce a 5 year moratorium on the right to work for the new EU citizens. There was the largest migration to Britain and Ireland ever seen afterward (Not so much in Denmark where proficiency in Danish is required alone with most trades jobs having different qualifications).

    There was no storming of illegal immigrants before. Somebody signed a piece of paper and then suddenly they came. Suddenly too it was realised that all sorts of jobs which had previously been employing natives just couldn’t do without the new immigrants.

    Then when even more unfortunately Romania and Bulgaria were admitted even the UK put a limit on. But eventually they got the right to work too and then suddenly again it was found the same jobs just couldn’t do without the new even poorer immigrants.

    I’m always amazed how immigrants never seem to use the leverage they have of being the only ones who’d do these jobs to get better wages. Each new wave saving these industries take lower wages and working conditions…

  113. @MM
    What reliability can we place on the UN estimates?

    These seem to be accepted, but we know that the UN is corrupt and not above distorting statistics to increase its funding (much of which gets siphoned off).

    Higher population estimates mean more aid funding (of all sorts). What drivers would push lower population estimates? I can't think of any.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The recent UN estimates are not terribly popular. E.g., when Ezra Klein interviewed Bill Gates a few years ago, the topic of African population growth came up and Vox sent out a tweet mentioning it to promote their boss’s interview with Gates. This caused an internal firestorm at Vox and the tweet was quickly deleted. Knowing about African population growth is about as popular as knowing about African-American homicide rates.

    And their existence admits that earlier UN estimates in the early years of this century of African population growth were wrong.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thank God the parroting of the Great Replacement doesn’t actively encourage white people to take matters into their own hands.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  114. Anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Another mass shooting has taken place at the Geneva Presbyterian Church in Laguna Woods in California.

    The church’s website seems to indicate that a Taiwanese Presbyterian congregation shares the church with a regular Presbyterian congregation. The shooting may have been aimed at the Taiwanese people.

    Laguna Woods, by the way, has an average age of 78. Just about the entire town is a retirement community.

  115. @Flip
    Lots of wilding by young blacks in Chicago this weekend. The police are overwhelmed. The black run government won’t do anything about it. Rahm Emanuel wouldn’t have put up with this.

    Replies: @fish, @Anon

    Mayor Goldfish is not the same mayor as “Dancer”.

  116. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Right on the money, as usual.

  117. connect most everybody eventually to the Internet

    Speaking of the BBC, we’ll have an endless supply of BBC p0rn.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Ralph L

    Ugh.

    https://i.ibb.co/jL06gfy/MAIN-jimmy.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

  118. African population growth *pales* in comparison to afghan population growth. Look it up, it’s terrifying. AND you have the “sugar on top” of 80IQ AND fundamentalist islam

  119. @Almost Missouri
    @Arclight


    best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Seems unlikely. Even back in the age of overt colonialism, the only African colonies that were actually profitable were the ones that were relying on either Europeans ( e.g., Boer farmers) or natural resources unrelated to the local population (gold, oil, etc.). There is no proven business model at scale for Africans beyond subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is just subsistence farming at scale).

    Much has been made of China’s ‘investments’ in Africa
     
    Natural resources unrelated to the local population. If they need beyond-subsistence labor, they bring in Chinese. So it's just a repeat of the European experience, but with Chinese. Well, a repeat but with less sentimentality.

    Replies: @Spangel226, @AnotherDad, @northeast, @Ben tillman, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    This is unfair. However much we may dislike it or find the practice foul, pre-Colonial Africa had brisk trade in slaves. It was actually pretty robust, too, with long logistical tails and lots of eg currency transfer and distance covered. Recall Iraq in the 700s had Central African slaves, that’s a lot of supply chain issue to get there.

    Because slavery is abhorrent today (and because an African slave would not currently produce much value) we dismiss it, but in its era these were big-bucks operations. The largest structure in Pre-colonial Africa was in Rhodes…Zimbabwe and it was a massive, MASSIVE slave pen

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang


    However much we may dislike it or find the practice foul, pre-Colonial Africa had brisk trade in slaves.
     
    Slaves to ... do subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is subsistence farming at scale).

    with long logistical tails and lots of eg currency transfer and distance covered. Recall Iraq in the 700s had Central African slaves, that’s a lot of supply chain issue to get there.
     
    Yes, Africans did the enslave each other, then non-Africans did the logistics, usually Arabs or Semitified Africans. Swahili, which is just African pidgin-Arabic, was the slave trading language of east Africa. Hilariously, 1960s descendants of west African slaves in the US thought that learning Swahili words "liberated" them.
  120. “We must exist the security of people and a children future white” – Joe Biden

  121. jb says:
    @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else

    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM ... If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jb

    If there were no blacks in sports then sports would be dominated by white athletes who perhaps couldn’t run quite as fast or jump just quite as high, but were still pretty impressive. No one would notice or care about the missing increment in performance. People would continue to root for the home team. There would be no economic impact whatsoever. And no matter how much money it brings in, sports isn’t really important.

    Artistic achievement is more important than athletic achievement (IMO anyway), and blacks have made some significant contributions there. But still, even if we didn’t have jazz, we would still have music — it would simply have gone down a different path. Maybe better, maybe worse, who can say?

    • Agree: silviosilver, Mark G.
  122. @jb
    A friend of mine was weeding an archive, and I acquired a 48 page pamphlet titled Population Pressures in Africa South of the Sahara, written by Richard W. Stephens and published by George Washington University in 1959. This is from the Final Remarks:

    If the general tone of the discussion has been pessimistic it is because the problems of Tropical Africa appear to be almost overwhelming. Not that they are unsolvable, for we know not what wonders lie ahead in our atomic age, but that it is inconceivable that they can be solved by anything short of sudden improvement in many areas at the same time--improvement in agriculture, transportation, communication, education, health and other services--not to mention an overall increasing rate of development in mining and industry. Where does one start when everything is needed badly and no one thing can be accomplished fast enough to prevent its beneficial effects from being wiped out by population growth?
     
    Even back then it was possible to see it coming. Africa is going to crush the world.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Even back then it was possible to see it coming. Africa is going to crush the world.

    Yes, but that’s only if other countries allow them to. Any country that simply hardens its heart and says “their problem, not mine” can spare itself from the ravages of the Africanus. Sadly, the leadership of all western countries, without exception, is staffed exclusively with self-deprecating, anti-white cucks. We can hope that some of them are merely feigning agreement with the reigning dogma – which at least leaves open the hope of a sudden ‘Soviet-style’ collapse in morale – but in the meantime the deleterious effects of their policies are the same whether they are true believers or not.

  123. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, last night in Chicago, the Negroes were revolting…

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Anonymous

    A street taped off. All those cops... Why? Why do we break out all those police and emergency vehicles every time black lives matter? They don’t like it! They don’t cooperate with cops, so no crime is ever solved, even though all the blacks in the area know who did it.

    How much money do we spend on fancy-ass trauma units in urban hospitals? How much money goes to the blacks whose lives are mattering without a kidney and in a wheelchair?

    City taxes are too high? Draw a line around black areas. Post signs so people can avoid them. Flood the black zone with “call 1-800-SNITCHIN if you want to talk about a crime.” After that, just leave them be. After a few years, move the hungry blacks to reservations in the South, where they are from. Then, leave them be there. Ship ‘em some food. Put a water and waste system in. If they can maintain either, then that’s fantastic! If they can’t, well, people have not had toilets for most of history and all of pre-history. Did someone and his homeboys take over the warehouse where grain is delivered? Well, if he shoots any of the delivery men, stop deliveries. If he demands tribute, labor, or pussy for food? Well, control of grain stores by an elite has been common throughout the world...

    Seriously. They hate us. They are cannot maintain civilization, yet there are more of them every year. They even colonize white wombs, though mostly low-quality ones. “If the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall.” Give them what they want good and hard. Eventually, they will either decide they like whites helping them or we get to be free. Win-win.

  124. Rob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The days are gone in which anyone would confidently recommend one particular development model.
     
    This only reveals Tooze's neoliberal bias. Listian growth has been the standard model for all of today's rich countries, starting with Northern Europe in the 19th century to end with the East Asian miracles in the 2nd half of the 20th century, bleeding into the early part of the 21st for China and Vietnam.

    One should also note that most mainstream economists were *very* skeptical about South Korea in the early 1960s but were much more bullish on the newly decolonised African countries. The argument went that these African countries had a large railway network, plenty of resources, lots of room (population density even today is remarkably low for many SSA countries) plus an Anglophone/Francophone elite which would make it easier to sign trade deals.

    We all know what actually happened.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Rob

    That’s true. Conventional wisdom was that Africa would boom once it was run by Africans in their own interests. The elite of Africa ran their countries to benefit themselves and their families, screw the masses.

    People who ran Western nations liked seeing their color all over the map, but there was not much material gain from African colonies. They were basically charities run by progressives of the day. Peeps were more optimistic back then. They really thought they could bring Christianity and Western civilization, and Africans would drop their culture and become black-white people. Anyone who tried that today would be called out for having a white savior complex.

    [MORE]

    How dysgenic is Africa’s population boom? Are smart (relatively) women having a ton of kids, or it just the dumb ones? Something that could happen, though I don’t know that it does, is the most westernizable chunk of the population tries to live more like us, so the women don’t have lots of kids, but the dimmer folks who don’t own mining companies or whatnot reproduce like crazy, so there’s no progress.

    Have any of you read Design for the Other 90%? There’s one on cities, but I just learned that today. Basic idea is that third-world lives can be improved, but just trying to export civilization to them won’t work. Development in the third probably won’t look much like the West.

    There’s stuff you can do in infrastructure in the third world that you can’t do where there’s really winter. Plus, Africans need less protection from the elements, though they need more protection from animals and not-quite-quite animals, the protozoa. There’s a name for the fact that lots of experimental vaccines for tropical diseases work on Westerners when tried here. They work on people of African ancestry in the West, but they don’t work on tropical people in the tropics. I forget the name of the phenomenon. Figuring that out would do quite a lot to help third-worlders, probably more than most development projects, even if the development funds weren’t all stolen.

    Lastly, someone did a parody of Design for the Other 90% called something like “More Design for the 10%,” the theme of the contest/joke was that Westerners don’t have kids, and leave old people to die alone in nursing homes, and have (compared to third worlders) very lonely lives. There were other things, but those are enough for now. I couldn’t find the contest in a quick googling. There are probably things we could do from third-worlders. Having babies, especially babies with high-quality parents is really important. Speaking of babies, I’m sure there wouldn’t be a baby formula supply crisis if the country were still 90% white. Third-worlders half-assing everything they do (I’m including black Americans as the third world. They’d be poorer than Haiti if they were separated from people) probably led to the bacterial outbreak that shut down the Mississippi plant.

    Thing is, if the West were into colonialism today, we could probably uplift some of the third world. How much of the poverty is caused by the parasitic local elite? Getting rid of them, and replacing them with the white people who lecture you about pronouns could be doing something useful. Heck, it’d at least get them to stop hassling us.

  125. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    The collapse in the number of white babies will ensure that whites are replaced, even if immigration is curtailed. One significant finding from the 2020 census is the fact that America’s under-age-18 white population declined by 5.1 million since 2010.

    120% of the overall white population decline between 2010 and 2020 occurred among those under the age of 40 (-9 million). We went from ~96 million whites under the age of 40 in 2010 to just ~88 million. This is the most important demographic age cohort for America, since Americans over 45 are no longer fertile and will soon be gone. White fertility would need to climb above 3.0 to keep the white population above 180 million, yet white fertility has now fallen below 1.6.


    https://twitter.com/JDKnox4/status/1458940077757935620?s=20&t=0_pLx_240psOmj0O2j-9Sg
    The most important graph for the future of the US indicates the collapse of the white population.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The most important graph for the future of the US indicates the collapse of the white population.

    Yep.

    Take a look at the Russian Federation (RF) right now. Collapse of the white population there, too. I remember back in 1980 when the simple failure of an industrial country for internal economic reasons was thought to be impossible.

    Right now, the Russian component of the RF has an overall fertility ration of about 1.6, and an inflow of 1.7 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2017 est.) Immigrants are non-European ethnicities (one immigrant every 4 minutes) from the rest of the Russian Federation. The downward trend in Russian fertility rate seems to date back to 1964, although it was accentuated during the 1990s [1].

    In other words, the Russian Federation seems to be a reasonable example of white displacement by immigration and a society hostile to white children.

    So what has RF done? Did it give up, or did it try to recover and become a bit more hardnosed in the process?

    Well, RF has the world’s best collection of deployable strategic weapons. It has 100 megaton swimmers that go to enemy continental shelves and detonate. It has a brand new MIRVed missile that Russian media claims can take out England in one flight. It has hypersonic missiles for tactical and probably nuclear use. It has at least some stealthed aircraft, enough to deliver nuclear weapons. It has revived the plutonium powered high speed [2] intercontinental ram jet, the 1960’s US Project Pluto [3].

    Further, RF strategic doctrine read Kahn’s book about use of nuclear weapons to prevent central warfare from actually conquering a nuclear armed State: “… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat”, which President of the Russian Federation V. Putin has recently repeated:

    “For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty” [emphasis added]. [4]

    Note the similar phrasing. Presumably, the Ukraine/RF conflict could, if Russia is losing heavily enough to threaten the State, resort to the nuclear weapons suite described above.

    OK, so much for the Ukraine / RF conflict.

    The comment flow on Steve’s article (https://www.unz.com/isteve/fear-of-a-black-planet-2/) has thus far assumed no discontinuity in response to non-white immigration. IMHO, this discounts unduly the actual state of US politics. We have seen, starting in 2008, a government run according to African rules. Appointments have been made of people executing total loyalty to Obama and willingness to execute any command Obama may issue. Gen. Miley and “white flight”, the commandeering of the FBI and CIA against Candidate, then President Trump, the Afghanistan fiasco, all would have been unimaginable before the Obama administration, as would the current “baby formula shortage”. For that matter, an Administration supposedly run by a President far gone in dementia by his Chief of Staff under the direction of a former President would have been unimaginable.

    However, in African politics, the Chief rules, nobody messes with the Chief more than once, and power is the only rule. Now we have it here. Ask the 6/1 incarcerated about that.

    OK, consider a scenario in which the former President Obama manages to consolidate his rule for a decade or two before getting old enough to lose his grip to a revolution by the white population, probably allied with the Hispanic population. The surviving whites (wherever they are) are going to be even more upset that the RF is now. No more Mr. Nice Guy. You can see this process at work even now in the unz.com comment stream. The repudiation of any further attempt to find a common ground with “Whiteness” appears to have finally killed hope for a “melting pot” or even a “multicultural” accommodation between West and non-West. In addition to that, the end of urban economic and political dominance we see as the cities now are abandoned and their public areas are now dangerous to enter, eliminates the economic base for black power, making increased black tax/legal demands inevitable. We are seeing States become independent using the “anti-commandeering” laws and “State nullification” to implement white independence of the Obama controlled Federal government. This will clash with a black led Federal government that needs reinforcement of its voting block and more money.

    If you want, you can couple this with a Europe from which the US has been driven by Ukraine/RF conflict damage and possible use of nuclear weapons, perhaps by RF [5].

    Assume that this scenario (which is all that it is) evolves into a serious conflict, with air power, infantry deployment, secret police (as in the investigation of parents at school board meetings), etc., and that conflict lasts several years with appreciable deaths on all sides, say about 2,5% of the population on each side. Suppose that the Obama side continues to work in terms of races, and brings in African troops to serve as security forces in occupied territories [6]. Suppose that the whites nevertheless manage to win.

    At that point, the gloves are off, and (as with the Russian Federation above) the most powerful weapons available will be used. Note that WW II was Pyrrhic for the West and the US. The New Deal descended into the covert absolute government we see now, and the US troops had about 0.65 million physically crippled veterans, and another 1.5 million mentally crippled (PTSD) veterans, many so bad that lobotomies were widely used. The West will be similarly transformed should it manage to survive.

    Frankly, the above process frightens me. Whatever civilization comes out the other side will be fundamentally different from what we have now, no matter who wins. [7]

    ********************************************************************
    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
    2] Probably hypersonic as a design goal, now that the Russians understand hypersonic airframe design.
    3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
    4] https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/
    5] The US uses a nuclear weapon for whatever reason, and the RF plays “savior” to Europe only retaliating once, perhaps on a logistics point in Poland. The European population revolts and the new governments ask the Obama run US to leave Europe.
    6] The Haitian revolution was, of course, funded and helped by various European groups trying to use Hatian forces against other European groups. European troops proved ineffective due to infection by Yellow Fever. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haitian-Revolution
    Similar use of African immigrant security personnel against American citizens has been alleged by 6/1 prisoners in Washington, DC.
    6] If you want a literary foreshadowing of what comes out of such evolutionary crucibles, take a look at “S&M” Stirling’s Draka series. I told Stirling at the time that his books would eventually be considered as instruction manuals, just as has been the fate of Orwell’s 1984.

  126. One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it.

    This is really part of the problem, not the solution. Europe & China saw population explosions because their populations were smart enough and responsible enough to create the culture and technologies that made their growth possible.

    Africa’s population has exploded entirely on the back of technology created elsewhere. Absent Western contact, Africa’s population would have stayed relatively small until evolution gave it people able to create a more advanced society. Now it is likely that will never happen.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Wilkey


    This is really part of the problem, not the solution.
     
    Yes.

    And technology allows less able people to survive and procreate, so even the historic African societies might not survive if the rug of technology is pulled out.

  127. @Flip
    Lots of wilding by young blacks in Chicago this weekend. The police are overwhelmed. The black run government won’t do anything about it. Rahm Emanuel wouldn’t have put up with this.

    Replies: @fish, @Anon

    You’re right. Emanuel wouldn’t know what to do.

    • LOL: bomag
  128. @houston 1992
    White elites should ask : who will be the new Scotch Irish "SI"? The Quakers used the SI to protect the Appalachian region from Siberian -American tribes / Indians.......now will they deploy to protect their womenfolk and settlements from Nigerians?


    Hmm why not use the old proven band of Scotch Irish? It is a proven solution...

    Replies: @Anon

    The Scots-Irish were not the only whites who moved into the Appalachians. There were also a sizable number of English, Germans and Dutch. The Scots-Irish were really Northern English and Southern Scots.

  129. Rob says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    so best case scenario is that it supplants Asia as a place for cheaply made mass goods.
     
    Zero chance of that.

    First off--"cheap" is not all that matters even with the cheapest good. You still have to perform at a level of quality and efficiency so that your "cheapness" wins over the people who are a bit more expensive and but a bit more efficient.

    (This has been an issue in the "developing" world ... forever. Plenty of 3rd world cheap labor was "inside the walls" of these various European empires. But attempts to locate industry there had generally poor results. The IQ/conscientiousness of the people was such that paying higher wages to working class Europeans back in the home country was almost always more economically efficient. Really, even to this day, only the East Asians have beaten that. Outside of the most simple tasks like sewing clothing, almost no world tradeable production beyond basic commodities--food, minerals--happens across a very large swathe of the world.)

    Secondly--AI and robotics are going to eliminate most simple industrial labor. Lots of production is going to "reshore" close to markets. Very simple stuff like sewing clothing will be done back in the developed world by sewing robots. Give it a pattern ... there's your shirt.

    ~~

    The bottom line here--and not trying to piss on these folks, but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this--there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Peter Akuleyev, @epebble, @Rob

    but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this–there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.

    That’s a very succinct way of saying that. Thank you. There should be some way to distinguish things that are wealth — physical capital, organizational ability, entrepreneurial ability — and things that may be highly-priced but don’t make society better off. Sports is definitely in the latter category.

    I think the test might be along the lines of a thought experiment on what society would be like without something. If blacks did exist, then the football teams would be all white, and people would still be watching football. Heck, they might enjoy it more because it’s easier to empathize and imagine yourself in a cisracial fantasy. With sports as a whole, what would society be like without them! Probably about the same. People would watch something else on Sunday, maybe dance, maybe drama, but society would not change much. Then imagine the world without cars. It would change so many things I can’t even begin to list them.

    [MORE]

    The ability to produce cars is wealth. The ability to throw something is only important when you’re hunting with a spear or atlatl. Usain Bolt has made a lot of money being the fastest 100m sprinter ever, but the world without Bolt is no worse off, someone else would be the fastest man ever.

    This is why I was baffled by French people celebrating “their” World Cup win. It’s a sport, so someone always wins. For society, sports are recreation. I think America would be a happier country if more people played amateur sports — make friends, get exercise, have something to talk about with other dudes — importing aliens to drive (actually) French children out of soccer is insane. The World Cup win should have been a wake-up call. “OMG, we are replacing our nation with Africans.

    Music? Pretty sure people would be listening to music if there were no black people. Europeans had music for centuries without blacks showing the lame whites how to do three soft beats and then a hard beat over and over.

    Think of the opportunity cost of Africans. Forget all the wonderful real estate and public goods (parks, swimming pools, etc) that they ruin in the West. Imagine that Africa were empty. All the plants and animals are there, but no people. It would be a jewel — a grand prize to be won in the great game. All those resources would make it America’s new frontier. There would easily be a million colonists/year. We’d make vaccines for all the tropical diseases and/or use biotechnology to eliminate them entirely. We could probably solve them all in a decade if there were a solid push and the pull of a virgin continent. Now back to reality. Who wants a piece of Africa? Pretty much no one. It comes with too many Africans.

    There’s also the opportunity cost in government. Think of all those positions blacks occupy filled by people with IQ scores 10-15 points higher. A government filled with people who are not trying to hurt America or Americans.

    There’s also how much we have to change about how white people interact with each other to accommodate blacks. Companies cannot give white prospective employees’ IQ tests. Judges forced the government to stop giving the civil service exam, even to whites. Heck, a system where every business could test white people as much as they want, but has to fill 13% of their jobs with randomly chosen blacks would be better than we have now.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Goddard
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rob


    I think the test might be along the lines of a thought experiment on what society would be like without something.
     
    Excellent comment Rob. Excellent.

    Your sentence here absolutely nails it. I come from a physics, then defected to tech (software) career. The ability to conduct thought experiments and build simple models is critical. In physics and in understanding reality.

    The most important one, is exactly your sentence: What if "X did not exist"--was not around, was not here. And--same idea--from the other side: "If Y left"--the right to defect.

    Those simple concepts, basically demonstrate what is important and what is not. And in the process thoroughly debunk minoritarianism completely--and with it basically all of our parasitic establishment's ideology and diktat.
  130. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Almost Missouri

    This is unfair. However much we may dislike it or find the practice foul, pre-Colonial Africa had brisk trade in slaves. It was actually pretty robust, too, with long logistical tails and lots of eg currency transfer and distance covered. Recall Iraq in the 700s had Central African slaves, that’s a lot of supply chain issue to get there.

    Because slavery is abhorrent today (and because an African slave would not currently produce much value) we dismiss it, but in its era these were big-bucks operations. The largest structure in Pre-colonial Africa was in Rhodes…Zimbabwe and it was a massive, MASSIVE slave pen

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    However much we may dislike it or find the practice foul, pre-Colonial Africa had brisk trade in slaves.

    Slaves to … do subsistence farming (or plantation farming, which is subsistence farming at scale).

    with long logistical tails and lots of eg currency transfer and distance covered. Recall Iraq in the 700s had Central African slaves, that’s a lot of supply chain issue to get there.

    Yes, Africans did the enslave each other, then non-Africans did the logistics, usually Arabs or Semitified Africans. Swahili, which is just African pidgin-Arabic, was the slave trading language of east Africa. Hilariously, 1960s descendants of west African slaves in the US thought that learning Swahili words “liberated” them.

  131. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women."


    It's not very big or lucrative though. In my youth I frequented reggae clubs/pubs and you'd see the odd rough-looking 40 year old working class woman who was there to be used by 'the youth'. A bit sad. But that was about it.

    Middle class women who want some strange tend to not to do it at home but holiday in places like Jamaica or the Gambia where "rent-a-dread" is a thing.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Middle class women who want some strange tend to not to do it at home but holiday in places like Jamaica or the Gambia where “rent-a-dread” is a thing.

    That’s what I was talking about. Very few white women want to sleep with immigrants, they want to safely indulge their fantasies abroad. Seems to me this is more a phenomenon in Northen Europe than in the US, where white women don’t romanticize black men because they have had more actual interaction with them.

  132. So Whitey goes to Africa and see tribal people and all travelers who had lived there believed that Africa’s population was actually falling because of wars, diseases and Arab slavers etc… Whitey banged his Bible and decided to change all that. Stopped wars, brought modern medicine, cleared the swamp. Took Blacks as slaves and spread them around, giving the land belonging to native Americans. Whitey do civil war to emancipate Blacks. Blacks living in USA get automatic entry to First World county (which hundreds of million of Third Worlders of all shades dream off and will sell kidney to get), live in a richer, technologically advanced country, get access to more attractive and evolved White females (even males but White men are not that crazy about it), genepool.
    But even after all this Blacks still hate Whitey like poison.
    Blacks keep on breeding, Whitey tax themselves (which might have affected his fertility rate a bit) and send more money, food and advanced technology to Africa. But even after all this Blacks still hate Whitey like poison! And soon there are more black Africans compared the rest of humanity combined (never been the case in history) and they moves to White lands and White land become permanent brown Brazil-India third world, masses of screwed up dystopian poor favelas and super rich mafia elites.
    I am a Chinese historian in the 22nd century, WTF just happened. Whadda suicide.!!!
    Note to Chinese Govt/People: Avoid all globalist ideologies at any cost. Christianity (Christian hyper morality), any form of Global Utopian belief systems, One Worldism, saving mankind bullshit, Any form of White/Yellow etc Man’s burden, Uncontrolled craze for Free Trade, any form of guilt/shame for not being poor/ugly/primitive/fucked up etc….. No feel good sacrifices. Not Worth it. Not Worth it at all. WARNING: Leads to guaranteed suicide of high civilizations.

  133. Rob says:
    @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, last night in Chicago, the Negroes were revolting…

    https://twitter.com/BionicBeauty/status/1525787568855568384?s=20&t=bmhN5arXPWJwTDrJ4ND6xQ

    https://twitter.com/FamilysSoupTV/status/1525680776033062913?s=20&t=g4bd-A5oMXfJRQvPP4_4uQ

    https://twitter.com/apexworldnews/status/1525706157314162688?s=20&t=Byv5ucIhcXQFwQtTXHymYw

    Replies: @Rob

    A street taped off. All those cops… Why? Why do we break out all those police and emergency vehicles every time black lives matter? They don’t like it! They don’t cooperate with cops, so no crime is ever solved, even though all the blacks in the area know who did it.

    How much money do we spend on fancy-ass trauma units in urban hospitals? How much money goes to the blacks whose lives are mattering without a kidney and in a wheelchair?

    City taxes are too high? Draw a line around black areas. Post signs so people can avoid them. Flood the black zone with “call 1-800-SNITCHIN if you want to talk about a crime.” After that, just leave them be. After a few years, move the hungry blacks to reservations in the South, where they are from. Then, leave them be there. Ship ‘em some food. Put a water and waste system in. If they can maintain either, then that’s fantastic! If they can’t, well, people have not had toilets for most of history and all of pre-history. Did someone and his homeboys take over the warehouse where grain is delivered? Well, if he shoots any of the delivery men, stop deliveries. If he demands tribute, labor, or pussy for food? Well, control of grain stores by an elite has been common throughout the world…

    Seriously. They hate us. They are cannot maintain civilization, yet there are more of them every year. They even colonize white wombs, though mostly low-quality ones. “If the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall.” Give them what they want good and hard. Eventually, they will either decide they like whites helping them or we get to be free. Win-win.

  134. Anonymous[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Where the left has a point is that “free market” economics end up being a disaster for most of Africa. The developed economies take resources and cheap agricultural produce away, Africa gets cast off and excess manufactured goods. Even if you want to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria what can you produce that isn’t available more cheaply as an imported product? The best solution for both Africa and the World would be probably be a 50 year moratorium on any trade or movement between Africa and the rest of the world. Give Africans an opportunity to find a model that works for them without outside interference.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @bomag, @Bill Jones, @Muggles, @Negrolphin Pool, @Anonymous

    Most of Africa doesn’t have “Free market economics”.

  135. @Anonymous
    You think the old white boomer Steve Sailer would cool it on the racist crap after some white supremacist murders 10 black people in Buffalo.

    Replies: @bispora

    Shortly: yes!

  136. The West has a foolish attitude to the ticking demographic bomb in Africa. Colonialism was the only approach to Africa that promised results: the non-existent smart fraction was given to the colonised countries – a chance to build self-sustaining societies, at least on food. In 1985 (Live Aid), there were 37 million people in Ethiopia, today there are 120 million. Bono must be looking for handkerchiefs, because it will soon be physically impossible to feed so many starving people. But there are other ways. Bill Gates’ contraceptive chip would be the perfect solution for black women with an IQ below 80. The chip, which can be implanted under the skin, works foolproof for ten years – I would make it compulsory for every starving woman in Africa queuing for food aid. Current trends suggest that tens of millions of blacks will be heading for Europe within a decade. Countries where there will be no gun control and border security will head for the third world. Of course the globalists will talk about climate change and solidarity and humanism, but make no mistake the 5.1 TFR of blacks even in a sluggish Mediterranean rain will drive the continent to a famine. I’m probably not a humanist, because besides the above, I’m thinking about the last megafauna on Earth disappearing before our eyes…

  137. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Closely related is this recent paper:

    “Forecasting Ethnic Compositions in All Countries” https://mankindquarterly.org/archive/issue/61-4/10

    Abstract:

    “Migration has significantly altered the ethnic compositions of many countries and will likely continue to do so in the future. What will these ethnic compositions be? This paper attempts to answer this question for all countries and all years up to 2100 under plausible assumptions of migration rates and natural growth rate differentials. I find that Western Europe and North America will experience the greatest degree of change while the ethnic compositions of Asia, Africa, and Latin America remain relatively constant. In Western Europe, the European-origin population share declines from 90% today to 45% by 2100 assuming present migration rates, but with no further migration this share will be 74%. In North America, the European share drops from 62% to 34%, but with no further migration this will be 54%. Without migration, Europeans retain a majority in all European and North American countries, but with continued migration this is not the case.”

    The paper and the supporting materials can be found here:

    https://app.box.com/s/s7tkq667riyzfk76hf826bevsrt9sr08

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
  138. @Peter Akuleyev
    @AnotherDad


    there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else
     
    Not entirely. There is a market for their sexual services among lonely middle aged European women.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Mike Tre, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    Seems a field that a well designed machine could rapidly conquer.

  139. @Wilkey

    One reason for optimism is that technology sometimes evolves in directions that less competent people can make use of it.
     
    This is really part of the problem, not the solution. Europe & China saw population explosions because their populations were smart enough and responsible enough to create the culture and technologies that made their growth possible.

    Africa's population has exploded entirely on the back of technology created elsewhere. Absent Western contact, Africa's population would have stayed relatively small until evolution gave it people able to create a more advanced society. Now it is likely that will never happen.

    Replies: @bomag

    This is really part of the problem, not the solution.

    Yes.

    And technology allows less able people to survive and procreate, so even the historic African societies might not survive if the rug of technology is pulled out.

  140. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/us/replacement-theory-shooting-tucker-carlson.html


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/15/buffalo-shooter-great-replacement-extremism/

    https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1525906135378800640

    https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1525915013810376704

  141. @MEH 0910
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/us/replacement-theory-shooting-tucker-carlson.html

    https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1526013500274925568

    https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1526014871405486080
    https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1526015545195352064

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/15/buffalo-shooter-great-replacement-extremism/


    [MORE]

  142. @AnotherDad
    Thanks Steve. This is the most important topic--in human history.

    Even here, a bunch of commenters are deeply passionate ... about a lot of shit that does not matter.

    Immigration is the issue. Nothing else is within orders of magnitude. Nations that protect themselves will muddle through and survive. Nations that do not are doomed.

    The 2nd issue is eugenic fertility. But there is time to fix that if you take care of #1. For example, Japan seems to persist in not listening to the minoritarian--"must have immigration!"--babbling. It's population will fall and the "breeder" Japanese who like having families and making babies will gradually be selected for and it will stabilize. (In my opinion at a much better level for a joint smaller than California.)

    In contrast, the West--unless it wakes up quickly--looks to be doomed by immigration, rendering the eugenic fertility issue completely moot.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Goddard

    This is the most important topic–in human history.

    Human history eventuating in a flood of Negritude washing over the Earth—that’s a dystopia worse than the sole of O’Brien’s shoe. There was hope in the proles, after all; but a black planet means the lights going out for 10,000 years.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Goddard

    You can keep your country white and happy or make it black and sad. Nothing better illustrates the lunacy of our age than freely opting for the latter.

  143. @Anon
    The meek shall inherit the earth

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The meek shall inherit the earth

    Desmond Hatchett, Esq.

  144. @Rob
    @AnotherDad


    but it is very important for intelligent people to understand this–there is nothing blacks can do that has any value to anyone else. Someone else in the world can always do it better for less.
     
    That’s a very succinct way of saying that. Thank you. There should be some way to distinguish things that are wealth — physical capital, organizational ability, entrepreneurial ability — and things that may be highly-priced but don’t make society better off. Sports is definitely in the latter category.

    I think the test might be along the lines of a thought experiment on what society would be like without something. If blacks did exist, then the football teams would be all white, and people would still be watching football. Heck, they might enjoy it more because it’s easier to empathize and imagine yourself in a cisracial fantasy. With sports as a whole, what would society be like without them! Probably about the same. People would watch something else on Sunday, maybe dance, maybe drama, but society would not change much. Then imagine the world without cars. It would change so many things I can’t even begin to list them.

    The ability to produce cars is wealth. The ability to throw something is only important when you’re hunting with a spear or atlatl. Usain Bolt has made a lot of money being the fastest 100m sprinter ever, but the world without Bolt is no worse off, someone else would be the fastest man ever.

    This is why I was baffled by French people celebrating “their” World Cup win. It’s a sport, so someone always wins. For society, sports are recreation. I think America would be a happier country if more people played amateur sports — make friends, get exercise, have something to talk about with other dudes — importing aliens to drive (actually) French children out of soccer is insane. The World Cup win should have been a wake-up call. “OMG, we are replacing our nation with Africans.

    Music? Pretty sure people would be listening to music if there were no black people. Europeans had music for centuries without blacks showing the lame whites how to do three soft beats and then a hard beat over and over.

    Think of the opportunity cost of Africans. Forget all the wonderful real estate and public goods (parks, swimming pools, etc) that they ruin in the West. Imagine that Africa were empty. All the plants and animals are there, but no people. It would be a jewel — a grand prize to be won in the great game. All those resources would make it America’s new frontier. There would easily be a million colonists/year. We’d make vaccines for all the tropical diseases and/or use biotechnology to eliminate them entirely. We could probably solve them all in a decade if there were a solid push and the pull of a virgin continent. Now back to reality. Who wants a piece of Africa? Pretty much no one. It comes with too many Africans.

    There’s also the opportunity cost in government. Think of all those positions blacks occupy filled by people with IQ scores 10-15 points higher. A government filled with people who are not trying to hurt America or Americans.

    There’s also how much we have to change about how white people interact with each other to accommodate blacks. Companies cannot give white prospective employees' IQ tests. Judges forced the government to stop giving the civil service exam, even to whites. Heck, a system where every business could test white people as much as they want, but has to fill 13% of their jobs with randomly chosen blacks would be better than we have now.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I think the test might be along the lines of a thought experiment on what society would be like without something.

    Excellent comment Rob. Excellent.

    Your sentence here absolutely nails it. I come from a physics, then defected to tech (software) career. The ability to conduct thought experiments and build simple models is critical. In physics and in understanding reality.

    The most important one, is exactly your sentence: What if “X did not exist”–was not around, was not here. And–same idea–from the other side: “If Y left”–the right to defect.

    Those simple concepts, basically demonstrate what is important and what is not. And in the process thoroughly debunk minoritarianism completely–and with it basically all of our parasitic establishment’s ideology and diktat.

  145. The sheer scale of Africa’s demographic momentum may come as a surprise.

    The word tsunami might be more appropriate.

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Escher

    Not necessarily

    . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fTznEIZRkLg

  146. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    In other words, But it is likely that Africa will reach 2.2 billion to 2.5 billion inhabitants by 2050.
     
    The processing of anthropoid biomass will be a growth industry.

    https://images.pond5.com/old-bulldozer-and-pile-skulls-073530332_prevstill.jpeg

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Chinese will plow them under in the Sahara – maybe alive – and ” make the desert broom”.

  147. @Bardon Kaldian
    Albert Schweitzer was right:

    “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.
     
    So- what is to be done, to “solve” the black problem relatively peacefully?

    Nothing can be done except getting rid of illusion of global humanist universalism and separating all races from almost all blacks.

    Perhaps that will happen; realistically- not. And so the most realistic future is north America & affluent Western Europe going down to history’s dustbin; the territory from eastern Europe to Japan (Russia, China, Japan,..) will become rulers of the world & strongly suppressing and eliminating blacks; Islamistan, India & Latin America will lead lives of stagnant existence, basically shitholes; black Africa – mass extinction from hunger & overpopulation & diseases.

    We all know that you can’t do anything with blacks…

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/china/china-zambia-murder-intl-hnk/index.html

    Three Chinese nationals were murdered and burned in Zambia, in a week when racial tensions were running high
    ………………………
    The gruesome murder of 52-year-old Cao Guifang, the wife of the textile warehouse owner — who was in their home province of Jiangsu, in eastern China, when the attack happened — and her two male employees, Bao Junbin, 58, and Fan Minjie, 33, came at the end of a week when anti-Chinese sentiment in the Zambian capital was nearing boiling point.
    ………………………………………………
    There are an estimated 22,000 Chinese nationals living in Zambia, operating 280 companies, mostly spread between Lusaka and the copperbelt in the north. Beijing owns about 44% of Zambia’s debt, which has led to fear among some Zambians that China has too much control over the country.
    ……………………………………………………
    Major infrastructure projects including airports, highways and dams in Zambia have been built by Chinese state-owned, or linked, firms. China also operates in the crucial mining sector, as do companies other foreign nations, and a Beijing-backed — although not owned — company even bought a 60% share in the Zambian state broadcaster. Local media frequently run inflammatory headlines, such as “How China is slowly colonizing Zambian economy.”


    Modern world-view treats all humans as legal equals & its presumption is that they will, even taking into account all ethnic-cultural-historical varieties, achieve a functioning modern society. All dog breeds will, say, be equally functional in all life situations that matter.

    To acknowledge that blacks as a race are simply incompatible with any notion of a functioning free modern society would mean going back to the 19th C more realist view on races and peoples. But, because the defeat of the extreme version of that world-view is the defining characteristic of the Western, then global Weltanschauung – everything that shows that humans are unequal in their (anti)social behavior should be suppressed.

    To fully accept that blacks & similar types of humans are destined to be a threat to any good society is to re-introduce segregation laws & to write the UN chapters anew.

    Is this necessary?

    I’d say yes.

    Something like “soft apartheid”.

    And this is totally unacceptable to a modern mind.

    What, on the other hand, is possible that various functioning powerful modern societies will have introduced partially “racialist” laws (not the extreme, Hitler- like legislation) after liberal rich democracies had clearly begun to disintegrate.

    Then, it would be: You’re like “Titanic”. Sorry, but we don’t intend to sink like you are doing right now, just in front of our eyes.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.

    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this?

    Gotta link?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @vinteuil

    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this? Gotta link?

    The quote is spurious as you thought.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @vinteuil

    Yes, this quote is correct. See the exchange:


    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3959450

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3962778

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963114

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963648

  148. @Ralph L
    connect most everybody eventually to the Internet

    Speaking of the BBC, we'll have an endless supply of BBC p0rn.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Ugh.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Ugh is right. What a vile creature. The British seem predisposed to indulging and even lauding their bad boys. This one has got to be the worst, though.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  149. @Steve Sailer
    @MM

    The recent UN estimates are not terribly popular. E.g., when Ezra Klein interviewed Bill Gates a few years ago, the topic of African population growth came up and Vox sent out a tweet mentioning it to promote their boss's interview with Gates. This caused an internal firestorm at Vox and the tweet was quickly deleted. Knowing about African population growth is about as popular as knowing about African-American homicide rates.

    And their existence admits that earlier UN estimates in the early years of this century of African population growth were wrong.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Thank God the parroting of the Great Replacement doesn’t actively encourage white people to take matters into their own hands.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Corvinus


    Thank God the parroting of the Great Replacement doesn’t actively encourage white people to take matters into their own hands.
     
    Thank God wokism doesn't encourage blacks to hurt white people.
  150. Look: facts are facts.

    It’s time we faced the truth. Denial is not a river in Egypt. Etc.

    The Forward ‘Behind Tucker Carlson’s white replacement rhetoric, a frightening antisemitic history

    ‘Replacement theory is inextricably tied to a hatred of Jews.’

    To object to massive illegal immigration is antisemitism.

  151. @Escher

    The sheer scale of Africa’s demographic momentum may come as a surprise.
     
    The word tsunami might be more appropriate.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Not necessarily

    .

  152. @Stan Adams
    @Ralph L

    Ugh.

    https://i.ibb.co/jL06gfy/MAIN-jimmy.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie

    Ugh is right. What a vile creature. The British seem predisposed to indulging and even lauding their bad boys. This one has got to be the worst, though.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    https://i.ibb.co/CMLPDM4/Jimmy-Savile-in-1966-with-Sylvia-Pontin-at-her-parents-home.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/vw9951N/93d6e6ae817a8a3e1e271217aa07670fc1-2-joe-biden-b-rsquare-w700.webp

    Replies: @Kylie

  153. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Thank God the parroting of the Great Replacement doesn’t actively encourage white people to take matters into their own hands.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Thank God the parroting of the Great Replacement doesn’t actively encourage white people to take matters into their own hands.

    Thank God wokism doesn’t encourage blacks to hurt white people.

  154. @Goddard
    @AnotherDad


    This is the most important topic–in human history.
     
    Human history eventuating in a flood of Negritude washing over the Earth—that's a dystopia worse than the sole of O'Brien's shoe. There was hope in the proles, after all; but a black planet means the lights going out for 10,000 years.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    You can keep your country white and happy or make it black and sad. Nothing better illustrates the lunacy of our age than freely opting for the latter.

    • Agree: bispora
  155. @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    I think NBA and NFL disagree. And between them, they probably have more capitalization than GM + Ford + GE + IBM … If anyone from another planet can receive our TV content, they will conclude that only blacks can produce anything of value, at least in this country.
     
    I certainly understand your point pebble--sports.

    But because it is ubiquitous people overestimate its economic importance. Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams "value", the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined. And that would be true of GM and Ford and GE as well, except that they all carry quite a bit of debt. But the actual economic value of any one of these company's operations is greater than all the sports stuff--football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. (Not to mention there actual value value. Those firms produce actually useful stuff, sports is entertainment--and right now blackety, black toxic.)

    Replies: @epebble, @kaganovitch

    Even with the extreme inflation of sports teams “value”, the market cap of just IBM is greater than all the NFL and NBA teams combined.

    While I’m not sure how much stock to put in Forbes estimate of sports franchises value, in 2020 they estimated the NFL total value at close to 100 billion and NBA at 75 billion. So substantially more than IBM(121B at today’s close.)

  156. @vinteuil
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.
     
    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this?

    Gotta link?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bardon Kaldian

    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this? Gotta link?

    The quote is spurious as you thought.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @kaganovitch

    No, see the following exchange:

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3959450

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3962778

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963114

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963648

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  157. @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    Think how much happier and brighter the world–it’s future–would seem now, if Europeans had actually been a little meaner. If the–late–colonization of Africa had been more along the American model.
     
    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian. This was when the black African percentage of the world population was less than 10%, and the European percentage was greater than a third.

    At any rate, it's feasible that regional wars like in Ukraine and potentially Taiwan will expand into global ones between the major powers, which will result in a crash in the global economy that inhibits African population growth and external migration.

    Replies: @Malla

    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian.

    Not true, that is what they thought before White rule. Africa’s population was winding down. You are talking about the writings of White explorers. Whitey Empires , especially Christian missionaries reversed that. People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man’s burden). Whitey committed suicide because of excessive Christian morality, enlightenment ideology and great expectations that blacks will eventually become Whites with black skin, disregarding race upto some extent. A few Blacks did come out bright and became smart, studying in European/Western universities but they all got radicalized and came back as “revolutionaries”, funded by Wall Street and armed by Communist nations. Full of hate Whitey.
    Black populations boomed with contact with Whitey (medicine, hygiene, order etc…) weather in European Empires, Rhodesia, South Africa, Caribbean, Brazil, USA, you name it.

    From the book “The negroes in negroland”, by Hinton Rowan Helper, which is a compilation of many travelogues to Africa before non Portuguese European Empires.
    https://archive.org/details/negroesinnegrola00help_0
    CHAPTER XXVIII, Page 158
    Gradual Decrease And Probable Extinction Of The Negro Race

    ” I have been struck with the steady decrease of the population, even during the short time I have been in Africa, on the coast and in the interior ; but before I account for it, let me raise my voice in defence of the white man, who is accused as being the cause of it. Wherever he settles, the aborigines are said to disappear. I admit that such is the case ; but the decrease of the population had already taken place before the white man came ; the white man noticed it, but could not stop it. Populous tribes whom I saw for a second time, and who had seen no white man and his fiery water, have decreased, and this decrease took place before the terrible plague that desolated the land had made its appearance. The negroes themselves acknowledge the decrease.
    Clans in the life-time of old men have entirely disappeared ; in others, only a few individuals remain.” — Du ChailhCs Ashango-Land, page 225.

    The decrease of the African population is owing to several causes: the slave-trade, polygamy, barrenness of women, death among children, plagues, and witchcraft, — the latter taking away more lives than any slave-trade ever did. The negro does not seem to diminish only in the region I have visited ; but in every other part of Africa, travellers, who after the lapse of a few years have returned a second time in the same country, have noticed a decrease of population. . . . The women of the interior are prolific, and in despite of it shall we assume that the negro race has run its course, and that in due course of time it will disappear, as many races of mankind have done before him ? The Southern States of America were, I believe, the only country in which the negro is known to have increased.” — Du Chaillu’s Asliango-Land, page 435. ”

    But soon came Whitey in force to save the Black man who centuries later will expand and extinguish Whitey. Whitey is suicidal, like some gigantic Jesus Christ sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind, sins which will go and and increase exponentially after Whitey disappears. So the sacrifice wassa waste.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla


    People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man’s burden)
     
    .
    https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-liberals-made-the-british-empire/
    How liberals made the British Empire

    By 1791, the Sierra Leone Company, run by liberal humanitarians including Wilberforce, had taken over governance of the nascent colony, initiating a process described by the historian Bronwen Everill as one where abolitionists had adopted a worldview “defined by this loose coalition of ideas: the ‘civilization’ of Africa via an end to the slave trade, adoption of standards of western life, material culture, and institutions; Africa’s conversion to Christianity; and the introduction of ‘legitimate’ commerce to simultaneously replace the slave trade, enrich the colonies and the metropoles, and inspire ‘civilized’ consumption.”

    As with the humanitarian interventions of our own era, ideals of free trade, globalised capitalism, military intervention and the conversion of downtrodden natives to liberal Western ways were intertwined from the start. For Sierra Leone’s governor, Charles MacCarthy, the division of the colony’s unexplored forests into parishes run by the Church Missionary Society was the beginning of a process that would make “Sierra Leone the base from whence future exertions may be extended, step by step to the very interior of Africa”. As Everill notes, “colonisation was a developing anti-slavery ideology,” which “disrupted local economies, power structures, ideologies, and religions in much the same way that settlers in Australia or North America overcame the aboriginal peoples.”

    Yet the failure of the Niger expedition radically altered the process by which the British conquest of West Africa took place. Instead of leading through example, the British Foreign Office and Admiralty found themselves drawn into an ever-widening series of military interventions to eradicate slavery at its source, which would lead inexorably, though unintentionally, to direct colonial rule. Firstly, the anti-slavery campaign of the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron turned out to be almost wholly ineffective: the trade in enslaved Africans boomed over the course of its deployment as American and Spanish merchantmen, backed by their governments, refused the Royal Navy’s authority to board their slaving vessels.

    Instead, the Royal Navy settled on a policy of eradicating the slave trade on the ground, sailing into coastal towns and villages to pressure their kings and chieftains to sign agreements banning the sale of slaves, and bombarding them and replacing their rulers when they did not. Bit by bit, driven by the unintentional logic of humanitarian intervention, Britain found itself the master of much of the West African coastline.

    Many Africans were bewildered by the shift in British policy, and the destruction of their traditional ways of life. As late as 1897, the Nigerian historian Philip A. Igbafe observed, the deposed Oba or ruler of the Benin kingdom pleaded from his jail cell for permission “to catch some Urhobo slaves for sacrifice as the rains were falling too incessantly for the good of the people and their crops,” a request the new British rulers denied.

    Replies: @Malla

  158. @Malla
    @Anon


    If you read about what many European imperialists, colonists, and intellectuals thought at the beginning of the 20th century, many assumed that the black African natives would go the way of the American Indian.
     
    Not true, that is what they thought before White rule. Africa's population was winding down. You are talking about the writings of White explorers. Whitey Empires , especially Christian missionaries reversed that. People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man's burden). Whitey committed suicide because of excessive Christian morality, enlightenment ideology and great expectations that blacks will eventually become Whites with black skin, disregarding race upto some extent. A few Blacks did come out bright and became smart, studying in European/Western universities but they all got radicalized and came back as "revolutionaries", funded by Wall Street and armed by Communist nations. Full of hate Whitey.
    Black populations boomed with contact with Whitey (medicine, hygiene, order etc...) weather in European Empires, Rhodesia, South Africa, Caribbean, Brazil, USA, you name it.

    From the book "The negroes in negroland", by Hinton Rowan Helper, which is a compilation of many travelogues to Africa before non Portuguese European Empires.
    https://archive.org/details/negroesinnegrola00help_0
    CHAPTER XXVIII, Page 158
    Gradual Decrease And Probable Extinction Of The Negro Race

    " I have been struck with the steady decrease of the population, even during the short time I have been in Africa, on the coast and in the interior ; but before I account for it, let me raise my voice in defence of the white man, who is accused as being the cause of it. Wherever he settles, the aborigines are said to disappear. I admit that such is the case ; but the decrease of the population had already taken place before the white man came ; the white man noticed it, but could not stop it. Populous tribes whom I saw for a second time, and who had seen no white man and his fiery water, have decreased, and this decrease took place before the terrible plague that desolated the land had made its appearance. The negroes themselves acknowledge the decrease.
    Clans in the life-time of old men have entirely disappeared ; in others, only a few individuals remain." — Du ChailhCs Ashango-Land, page 225.

    The decrease of the African population is owing to several causes: the slave-trade, polygamy, barrenness of women, death among children, plagues, and witchcraft, — the latter taking away more lives than any slave-trade ever did. The negro does not seem to diminish only in the region I have visited ; but in every other part of Africa, travellers, who after the lapse of a few years have returned a second time in the same country, have noticed a decrease of population. . . . The women of the interior are prolific, and in despite of it shall we assume that the negro race has run its course, and that in due course of time it will disappear, as many races of mankind have done before him ? The Southern States of America were, I believe, the only country in which the negro is known to have increased." — Du Chaillu's Asliango-Land, page 435. "

    But soon came Whitey in force to save the Black man who centuries later will expand and extinguish Whitey. Whitey is suicidal, like some gigantic Jesus Christ sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind, sins which will go and and increase exponentially after Whitey disappears. So the sacrifice wassa waste.

    Replies: @Malla

    People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man’s burden)

    .
    https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-liberals-made-the-british-empire/
    How liberals made the British Empire

    By 1791, the Sierra Leone Company, run by liberal humanitarians including Wilberforce, had taken over governance of the nascent colony, initiating a process described by the historian Bronwen Everill as one where abolitionists had adopted a worldview “defined by this loose coalition of ideas: the ‘civilization’ of Africa via an end to the slave trade, adoption of standards of western life, material culture, and institutions; Africa’s conversion to Christianity; and the introduction of ‘legitimate’ commerce to simultaneously replace the slave trade, enrich the colonies and the metropoles, and inspire ‘civilized’ consumption.”

    As with the humanitarian interventions of our own era, ideals of free trade, globalised capitalism, military intervention and the conversion of downtrodden natives to liberal Western ways were intertwined from the start. For Sierra Leone’s governor, Charles MacCarthy, the division of the colony’s unexplored forests into parishes run by the Church Missionary Society was the beginning of a process that would make “Sierra Leone the base from whence future exertions may be extended, step by step to the very interior of Africa”. As Everill notes, “colonisation was a developing anti-slavery ideology,” which “disrupted local economies, power structures, ideologies, and religions in much the same way that settlers in Australia or North America overcame the aboriginal peoples.”

    Yet the failure of the Niger expedition radically altered the process by which the British conquest of West Africa took place. Instead of leading through example, the British Foreign Office and Admiralty found themselves drawn into an ever-widening series of military interventions to eradicate slavery at its source, which would lead inexorably, though unintentionally, to direct colonial rule. Firstly, the anti-slavery campaign of the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron turned out to be almost wholly ineffective: the trade in enslaved Africans boomed over the course of its deployment as American and Spanish merchantmen, backed by their governments, refused the Royal Navy’s authority to board their slaving vessels.

    Instead, the Royal Navy settled on a policy of eradicating the slave trade on the ground, sailing into coastal towns and villages to pressure their kings and chieftains to sign agreements banning the sale of slaves, and bombarding them and replacing their rulers when they did not. Bit by bit, driven by the unintentional logic of humanitarian intervention, Britain found itself the master of much of the West African coastline.

    Many Africans were bewildered by the shift in British policy, and the destruction of their traditional ways of life. As late as 1897, the Nigerian historian Philip A. Igbafe observed, the deposed Oba or ruler of the Benin kingdom pleaded from his jail cell for permission “to catch some Urhobo slaves for sacrifice as the rains were falling too incessantly for the good of the people and their crops,” a request the new British rulers denied.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla

    Yet the unwillingness of African rulers to go along with the newfound abolitionist crusade of the British middle classes had set the stage for a reinterpretation of Britain’s mission from one of education and negotiation to one of military conquest and direct enforcement of liberal mores. As Huzzey notes, “blunt bigotry and frustration at African slave-dealing led the Spectator, in 1853, to moan that ‘British lives are lavished on the African coasts to negotiate and treat with the Black babies who can’t keep from selling each other and cheating us.’ The paper concluded that it was impossible to educate West Africans as ‘moral observers of the Anti-Slavery faith.’” Instead, the perceived intransigence of African rulers “moved Britain to kindle freedom with force”, setting the stage for the expansionist, racialised imperialism of the later 19th century.

    Yet by this point, whatever appeal direct humanitarian intervention on the African continent had held for Britain’s governing classes had long since evaporated. As the Colonial Secretary, the Duke of Newcastle, observed in 1861, “the ‘suppression of the Slave Trade’ is leading us into serious Territorial complications, on the whole W. Coast of Africa.” Prefiguring anti-interventionist voices today, the Times in 1863 demanded with exasperation,

    “Who ever heard of a war in Gambia? What do we know of the King of Bedaboo, and why should we rejoice at having taught him a “severe lesson!” What harm has he done us and why should we be anxious to pay an additional income tax for the pleasure of killing . . . his sable subjects? As it stands it looks as much like a piratical inroad as any exploit we ever read about. . . . who ordered it? And who will pay for it? . . . Can it be possible after all the lessons we have received of the inflammatory character of little wars we can find ourselves in the thick of a ‘war upon Gambia’ without notice, and so far as we know, without reason?”

    By 1865, the parliamentary select committee chaired by Charles Adderley was strongly advising against any further extension of direct control and urged British withdrawal from Africa, though only once the slave trade had been finally extinguished, an exit strategy whose conclusion seemed to stretch further and further out of reach. The financial benefits accruing to Britain were, contrary to modern perceptions, negligible: throughout the early and mid-19th century, trade with the entire African continent made up less than 2.6% of Britain’s trade balance.

    As even James Stephen, described by the historian Seymour Drescher as “the Colonial office’s most influential abolitionist undersecretary” warned, “[If] we could acquire the dominion of the whole of that continent, it would be but a worthless possession.” As the Times complained in 1873, “why do we retain or even extend what we call a Protectorate over this pestiferous coast?” And yet, as Huzzey notes, “Anti-slavery policies locked an unwilling state into obligations toward African colonies.” And then as now, it was the moral crusading of journalists that drove Britain into its next wave of imperial expansion.
    -------------
    MALLA: The European (even Japanese) Imperialists were the libtards of their days. Today's Commie Marxist Libtard scumbags via their post colonialism are attacking the more honourable Classical Libtards of a century earlier.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

  159. @Malla
    @Malla


    People do not realise that the Imperial types were the libtards of their days (White Man’s burden)
     
    .
    https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-liberals-made-the-british-empire/
    How liberals made the British Empire

    By 1791, the Sierra Leone Company, run by liberal humanitarians including Wilberforce, had taken over governance of the nascent colony, initiating a process described by the historian Bronwen Everill as one where abolitionists had adopted a worldview “defined by this loose coalition of ideas: the ‘civilization’ of Africa via an end to the slave trade, adoption of standards of western life, material culture, and institutions; Africa’s conversion to Christianity; and the introduction of ‘legitimate’ commerce to simultaneously replace the slave trade, enrich the colonies and the metropoles, and inspire ‘civilized’ consumption.”

    As with the humanitarian interventions of our own era, ideals of free trade, globalised capitalism, military intervention and the conversion of downtrodden natives to liberal Western ways were intertwined from the start. For Sierra Leone’s governor, Charles MacCarthy, the division of the colony’s unexplored forests into parishes run by the Church Missionary Society was the beginning of a process that would make “Sierra Leone the base from whence future exertions may be extended, step by step to the very interior of Africa”. As Everill notes, “colonisation was a developing anti-slavery ideology,” which “disrupted local economies, power structures, ideologies, and religions in much the same way that settlers in Australia or North America overcame the aboriginal peoples.”

    Yet the failure of the Niger expedition radically altered the process by which the British conquest of West Africa took place. Instead of leading through example, the British Foreign Office and Admiralty found themselves drawn into an ever-widening series of military interventions to eradicate slavery at its source, which would lead inexorably, though unintentionally, to direct colonial rule. Firstly, the anti-slavery campaign of the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron turned out to be almost wholly ineffective: the trade in enslaved Africans boomed over the course of its deployment as American and Spanish merchantmen, backed by their governments, refused the Royal Navy’s authority to board their slaving vessels.

    Instead, the Royal Navy settled on a policy of eradicating the slave trade on the ground, sailing into coastal towns and villages to pressure their kings and chieftains to sign agreements banning the sale of slaves, and bombarding them and replacing their rulers when they did not. Bit by bit, driven by the unintentional logic of humanitarian intervention, Britain found itself the master of much of the West African coastline.

    Many Africans were bewildered by the shift in British policy, and the destruction of their traditional ways of life. As late as 1897, the Nigerian historian Philip A. Igbafe observed, the deposed Oba or ruler of the Benin kingdom pleaded from his jail cell for permission “to catch some Urhobo slaves for sacrifice as the rains were falling too incessantly for the good of the people and their crops,” a request the new British rulers denied.

    Replies: @Malla

    Yet the unwillingness of African rulers to go along with the newfound abolitionist crusade of the British middle classes had set the stage for a reinterpretation of Britain’s mission from one of education and negotiation to one of military conquest and direct enforcement of liberal mores. As Huzzey notes, “blunt bigotry and frustration at African slave-dealing led the Spectator, in 1853, to moan that ‘British lives are lavished on the African coasts to negotiate and treat with the Black babies who can’t keep from selling each other and cheating us.’ The paper concluded that it was impossible to educate West Africans as ‘moral observers of the Anti-Slavery faith.’” Instead, the perceived intransigence of African rulers “moved Britain to kindle freedom with force”, setting the stage for the expansionist, racialised imperialism of the later 19th century.

    Yet by this point, whatever appeal direct humanitarian intervention on the African continent had held for Britain’s governing classes had long since evaporated. As the Colonial Secretary, the Duke of Newcastle, observed in 1861, “the ‘suppression of the Slave Trade’ is leading us into serious Territorial complications, on the whole W. Coast of Africa.” Prefiguring anti-interventionist voices today, the Times in 1863 demanded with exasperation,

    “Who ever heard of a war in Gambia? What do we know of the King of Bedaboo, and why should we rejoice at having taught him a “severe lesson!” What harm has he done us and why should we be anxious to pay an additional income tax for the pleasure of killing . . . his sable subjects? As it stands it looks as much like a piratical inroad as any exploit we ever read about. . . . who ordered it? And who will pay for it? . . . Can it be possible after all the lessons we have received of the inflammatory character of little wars we can find ourselves in the thick of a ‘war upon Gambia’ without notice, and so far as we know, without reason?”

    By 1865, the parliamentary select committee chaired by Charles Adderley was strongly advising against any further extension of direct control and urged British withdrawal from Africa, though only once the slave trade had been finally extinguished, an exit strategy whose conclusion seemed to stretch further and further out of reach. The financial benefits accruing to Britain were, contrary to modern perceptions, negligible: throughout the early and mid-19th century, trade with the entire African continent made up less than 2.6% of Britain’s trade balance.

    As even James Stephen, described by the historian Seymour Drescher as “the Colonial office’s most influential abolitionist undersecretary” warned, “[If] we could acquire the dominion of the whole of that continent, it would be but a worthless possession.” As the Times complained in 1873, “why do we retain or even extend what we call a Protectorate over this pestiferous coast?” And yet, as Huzzey notes, “Anti-slavery policies locked an unwilling state into obligations toward African colonies.” And then as now, it was the moral crusading of journalists that drove Britain into its next wave of imperial expansion.
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    MALLA: The European (even Japanese) Imperialists were the libtards of their days. Today’s Commie Marxist Libtard scumbags via their post colonialism are attacking the more honourable Classical Libtards of a century earlier.

    • Agree: Dream
    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @Malla


    Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet...
     
    To help them find the best way to migrate to Europe or North America.

    Replies: @Malla

  160. @TG
    "Africa’s population may stabilize in the same way India’s and China’s are..."

    I'm sorry, but this illustrates a total ignorance of the most basic facts of demographics

    China's population stabilized because, after Mao's disastrous "strength through numbers" pro-natalist campaign, they lowered their fertility rate to less than the physical maximum. It wasn't always pretty, but it lifted over a billion people out of poverty. Now China is about three times subsistence, about 450 kg/grain/person/year.

    In India they kept on breeding to the maximum, and now fertility rates have fallen to about 2 - but only because they are so poor that they physically can't have more than two children each! Food grain production remains at a low level of subsistence of about 150 kg/person/yr. You can't do worse! This is the Malthusian catastrophe, not global apocalyptic famine, but brutal crushing subsistence level poverty and chronic malnutrition.

    The population stabilization in China and India could not be more different.

    Will Africa's population hit four billion? Not if they can't grow enough food it won't.

    Will the Africans swarm into Europe and the Americas? Only if our ruling class lets them. If they don't, then chronic malnutrition will keep their numbers in check, as it has throughout history.

    But a long term 'solution' to this issue could be for northern countries to stop putting vitamin D supplements into food. I'm not saying we should do that, but if civilization collapses or even decays, it could happen on its own. And then things would slowly go back to where they were before.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Many of the problems Western Societies face are due to the pathological altruism of Whites.

  161. @Negrolphin Pool
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is a model that works for them. At least it worked for them. It's 1750 and a population of 82M.

    The entire global population increase since is attributable to technology. Africans are largely incapable of maintaining technology or the orginazational forms necessary to deploy it. They are certainly not capable of the substantial innovation that will become necessary in order to maintain today's living standards amid dwindling easy energy reserves, much less shouldering the increased burden of billions more of them.

    The solution is obvious and natural: The African population will starve, slaughter and plague its way back to the natural tech-free carrying capacity, perhaps taking the show on the road.

    It'll be something to watch years of the effeminate West's feed-the-deer morality create a working approximation to hell.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    There is a model that works for them. At least it worked for them. It’s 1750 and a population of 82M.

    Yes, along with cannabalism and slavery, and not having penicillin.

  162. @Malla
    @Malla

    Yet the unwillingness of African rulers to go along with the newfound abolitionist crusade of the British middle classes had set the stage for a reinterpretation of Britain’s mission from one of education and negotiation to one of military conquest and direct enforcement of liberal mores. As Huzzey notes, “blunt bigotry and frustration at African slave-dealing led the Spectator, in 1853, to moan that ‘British lives are lavished on the African coasts to negotiate and treat with the Black babies who can’t keep from selling each other and cheating us.’ The paper concluded that it was impossible to educate West Africans as ‘moral observers of the Anti-Slavery faith.’” Instead, the perceived intransigence of African rulers “moved Britain to kindle freedom with force”, setting the stage for the expansionist, racialised imperialism of the later 19th century.

    Yet by this point, whatever appeal direct humanitarian intervention on the African continent had held for Britain’s governing classes had long since evaporated. As the Colonial Secretary, the Duke of Newcastle, observed in 1861, “the ‘suppression of the Slave Trade’ is leading us into serious Territorial complications, on the whole W. Coast of Africa.” Prefiguring anti-interventionist voices today, the Times in 1863 demanded with exasperation,

    “Who ever heard of a war in Gambia? What do we know of the King of Bedaboo, and why should we rejoice at having taught him a “severe lesson!” What harm has he done us and why should we be anxious to pay an additional income tax for the pleasure of killing . . . his sable subjects? As it stands it looks as much like a piratical inroad as any exploit we ever read about. . . . who ordered it? And who will pay for it? . . . Can it be possible after all the lessons we have received of the inflammatory character of little wars we can find ourselves in the thick of a ‘war upon Gambia’ without notice, and so far as we know, without reason?”

    By 1865, the parliamentary select committee chaired by Charles Adderley was strongly advising against any further extension of direct control and urged British withdrawal from Africa, though only once the slave trade had been finally extinguished, an exit strategy whose conclusion seemed to stretch further and further out of reach. The financial benefits accruing to Britain were, contrary to modern perceptions, negligible: throughout the early and mid-19th century, trade with the entire African continent made up less than 2.6% of Britain’s trade balance.

    As even James Stephen, described by the historian Seymour Drescher as “the Colonial office’s most influential abolitionist undersecretary” warned, “[If] we could acquire the dominion of the whole of that continent, it would be but a worthless possession.” As the Times complained in 1873, “why do we retain or even extend what we call a Protectorate over this pestiferous coast?” And yet, as Huzzey notes, “Anti-slavery policies locked an unwilling state into obligations toward African colonies.” And then as now, it was the moral crusading of journalists that drove Britain into its next wave of imperial expansion.
    -------------
    MALLA: The European (even Japanese) Imperialists were the libtards of their days. Today's Commie Marxist Libtard scumbags via their post colonialism are attacking the more honourable Classical Libtards of a century earlier.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey

    Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet…

    To help them find the best way to migrate to Europe or North America.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Mr. Grey


    To help them find the best way to migrate to Europe or North America.
     
    First, 419 scams to raise money from Whitey to migrate to Whitey land.
  163. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Ugh is right. What a vile creature. The British seem predisposed to indulging and even lauding their bad boys. This one has got to be the worst, though.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Oh, yes, I see the resemblance. 😱😱😱😱

    Seriously, it gives relatively normal, sane people a glimpse into the unfathomable depths of insane hatred the left feels for Trump, that they would cynically install this stupid perv in the Oval Office rather than let the duly elected Orange Man serve a second term as POTUS.

    Replies: @Malla

  164. @kaganovitch
    @vinteuil

    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this? Gotta link?

    The quote is spurious as you thought.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Indeed, not dispositive, but perhaps more likely than not. I withdraw my statement.

  165. @vinteuil
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.
     
    Is this for real? Did Nobel Peace Prize winner & musician of genius Albert Schweitzer really write this?

    Gotta link?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bardon Kaldian

  166. @Mr. Grey
    @Malla


    Life in Nigeria is never going to be as nice as in England at present, but the large majority of Nigerians ought to be able to shortly access the Internet...
     
    To help them find the best way to migrate to Europe or North America.

    Replies: @Malla

    To help them find the best way to migrate to Europe or North America.

    First, 419 scams to raise money from Whitey to migrate to Whitey land.

  167. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie

    https://i.ibb.co/CMLPDM4/Jimmy-Savile-in-1966-with-Sylvia-Pontin-at-her-parents-home.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/vw9951N/93d6e6ae817a8a3e1e271217aa07670fc1-2-joe-biden-b-rsquare-w700.webp

    Replies: @Kylie

    Oh, yes, I see the resemblance. 😱😱😱😱

    Seriously, it gives relatively normal, sane people a glimpse into the unfathomable depths of insane hatred the left feels for Trump, that they would cynically install this stupid perv in the Oval Office rather than let the duly elected Orange Man serve a second term as POTUS.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Kylie

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10827697/BLM-spent-1-2-million-lobbying-Congress-year.html

    Black Lives Matter spent $1.2M lobbying Congress: Pushed for Trump's IMPEACHMENT over Jan. 6, tried to abolish the DEA and end life sentences, bombshell tax filings show

    Tax filings released Tuesday show BLM's finances from July 2020 to June 2021
    The group spend more than $1.2 million lobbying members of Congress
    Among the issues it pushed was impeaching Donald Trump a second time
    The filings show that BLM ended the fiscal year with $42 million in net assets
    Group spent more than $37 million of the $90 million it received in donations
    Group invested $32 million in stocks to build an endowment to fund its future
    Filings also confirm lavish spending on real estate in Los Angeles and Toronto
    Patrisse Cullors was group's only voting director and held no board meetings
    Cullors later stepped down amid allegations of financial improprieties
    She has denied the claims and insists that all the group's spending was proper

  168. @Bardon Kaldian
    @kaganovitch

    No, see the following exchange:

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3959450

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3962778

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963114

    https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/?showcomments#comment-3963648

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Indeed, not dispositive, but perhaps more likely than not. I withdraw my statement.

  169. @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Oh, yes, I see the resemblance. 😱😱😱😱

    Seriously, it gives relatively normal, sane people a glimpse into the unfathomable depths of insane hatred the left feels for Trump, that they would cynically install this stupid perv in the Oval Office rather than let the duly elected Orange Man serve a second term as POTUS.

    Replies: @Malla

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10827697/BLM-spent-1-2-million-lobbying-Congress-year.html

    Black Lives Matter spent \$1.2M lobbying Congress: Pushed for Trump’s IMPEACHMENT over Jan. 6, tried to abolish the DEA and end life sentences, bombshell tax filings show

    Tax filings released Tuesday show BLM’s finances from July 2020 to June 2021
    The group spend more than \$1.2 million lobbying members of Congress
    Among the issues it pushed was impeaching Donald Trump a second time
    The filings show that BLM ended the fiscal year with \$42 million in net assets
    Group spent more than \$37 million of the \$90 million it received in donations
    Group invested \$32 million in stocks to build an endowment to fund its future
    Filings also confirm lavish spending on real estate in Los Angeles and Toronto
    Patrisse Cullors was group’s only voting director and held no board meetings
    Cullors later stepped down amid allegations of financial improprieties
    She has denied the claims and insists that all the group’s spending was proper

    • Thanks: Kylie
  170. @bomag

    ...the simple fact of the matter is that we have no experience to go on. [as to whether the rising African population will stay home and build better; or migrate away]
     
    I'd say we have plenty of experience.

    ______________________________________________________________

    There is a vein of fear that modern science will give us a bomb; a bug; or a poison that will destroy us all. In the running now: modern medicine has allowed the least capable among us to reproduce prodigiously, giving us a population bomb that negates nice things.

    Replies: @jsm, @jay

    Until all Drugs except for herbals somehow disappear over time permanently.

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