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What with race, law enforcement, and crime being much in the news this month, you might think we’d see more reference to the most authoritative official statistics on the subject. Here are the latest FBI statistics on murder offenders by race:

At this point, 29.5% of 2018 murderers are of unknown race, whether because the case hasn’t been cleared yet or because the local agency didn’t get around to reporting the race to the federal government.

Of the 11,514 murder offenders in 2018 where the race of the offender is known by now, 6,318 of the offenders were black: 54.9%.

Blacks make up 13.4% of the population at present.

So, blacks in 2018 were 7.9 times more likely per capita to be murder offenders than the rest of the population.

Here’s how to do the arithmetic:

(54.9% / 13.4%) / ((100% – 54.9%) / (100% – 13.4%))

In recent generations, this black to all else homicide offender ratio goes up and down somewhat, depending upon what drugs are hot, the political climate, and so forth, but usually winds up a little under 8X. For example, in 2011 the Obama Administration’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that blacks made up 52.5% of homicide offenders over the 29 years from 1980 to 2008:

You could also calculate the black to white ratio in addition to the black to all else ratio, but government crime statistics are notoriously poor at disentangling Hispanics from whites (unlike virtually all other government statistics, where this process was usually completed between 1970 and 2000). The 2018 FBI statistics include these footnotes:

1 Not all agencies provide ethnicity data; therefore, the race and ethnicity totals will not equal.
2 Includes American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

These stats would seem rather relevant to current discussions, but for some reason, the just never seem to come up…

 
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  1. J.Ross says:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  2. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    But Blacks are above the law! It is the price that we pay to enjoy the benefits of diversity!
    — Charles Erwin Wilson

  3. Patriot says:

    It gets worse: Nearly 50% of all murders are comitted by only ~3% of the USA population, Black males between 15 and 35 yrs age.

    This tiny group commits an incredible amount of crime.

    Anyone with any common sense would run when seeing a Young Black male!

    Black lies matter to your safety and that of your family. Say away from Blacks.

  4. While journalists are innumerant, their friends who are tell them not to use this statistic.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  5. These stats aren’t going to convince anyone. You don’t need to stats to see why blacks are often killed by police. You just need to have your eyes open. The looting and riots now are the black reaction to strong emotion. It’s the en mass version of what black men do when the police try to arrest them, as we saw in the Atlanta shooting most recently–don’t stay calm, spaz out. If your brain isn’t befuddled by the ubiquitous thought reform of modern American life, you realize it clearly and instantly. If you have succumbed to American thought reform, the stats won’t help.

    Unless maybe they’re in pretty charts. Visual representations that require less active thought might result in some racial satori moments.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Russ
    , @AnotherDad
  6. Charon says:

    This stat grievously understates the case. Just two of many examples why: one, closure rates. The rate of closure for criminal cases involving blacks has plummeted over the past few decades. Blacks won’t cooperate with the criminal justice system. Among other things, the MSM instruct them not to. The result: “snitches get stitches.”

    Two, it’s not “blacks” it’s black males principally between the ages of 14 and 40. So it’s not 13% of the population committing a majority of violent crime, it’s more like 4 or 5% committing the vast majority of violent crime.

    We dare not say any of this, of course. Because it’s true.

  7. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    I would love to discuss and debate data like this with people I know on the Left. I feel sorry for them that they are so ignorant and truly want to help them have better opinions (can you believe what a sap I am?).
    My department at work has weekly Zoom meetings and the meetings now include a lot of virtue signaling and hand-holding over BLM. I want to bring up data like this and say, “Hey guys, you gotta think about the other side of this too. Did you know….”.
    But of course I remain silent so I don’t lose my job. I realize more every day that I and other people who think cannot live with these people. It’s looking like we will have to have a war with these people to make them leave us alone.

    • Agree: Moses, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Currahee
    , @Cato
  8. usNthem says:

    Despite black over representation as homicide perps, it would hardly be a surprise to ultimately find they are actually under represented – instead of 52.5%, they may be 62.5 or 70%. Don’t want to make the vaunted & hallowed black race look bad after all, right?

  9. The murder clearance rate in Chicago is 54%. For Baltimore the murder clearance rate is 32%. The actual percentage of murders committed by Blacks is very likely higher. Think about that.

    Someone should do an analysis of the demographics of the zip codes where the unsolved murders occur.

    • Agree: Goatweed
  10. anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    According to murderdata.org clearance rates for homicide in the past 10 years in Maine, New Hampshire, and West Virginia are 88%, 50%, and 60% respectively. How come some states are so bad at solving murders?

  11. It’s a pretty safe bet that Blacks make up the overwhelming majority of unknown perpetrators too,(snitches get stitches) so the numbers probably skew higher still..

  12. Maybe my math skills are rusty, but this is how I figured it:

    Multiply the number of black murders by 7.46, which is the multiple of whites to blacks.

    So 6,318 x 7.46 = 47,132, the projected number of black homicides assuming an equal number of blacks and whites.

    47,132/4,884 = 9.65 times the murder rate.

    In fairness, I fell for Abbott & Costello’s 7 x 13 = 28 bit once upon a time.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  13. TinnyDuk says:

    These statistics are biased. The only reason Black Men are overrrperesneted in violent crimes is because of a biased justice system. Specifically, police target Black Men and ignore the much more prevalent white crime.

    Fortunately EVERYONE but dumb racists know this. This is evidenced by the following:

    1. statues are being torn down
    2. things are being renamed
    3. police are being overhauled
    4. DACA was renistated
    5. racists are being fired
    6. white girls are having romantic relations with Black Men
    7. corporations are contributing VAST SUMS of moolah to equity
    8. the chik-fil-a owner called out white people and washed the feet of a Black Rapper
    9. Christian leaders are saying racism and white supremacy are the greatest sin
    10. right wingers are getting arrested for attacking protests
    11. the protests are going strong
    12. the 1619 project will be taught in all schools
    13. mixed race children are proud of their Color but reject their whiteness
    14. trump’s approval rating is in the toilet

    YOU LOST

    GET OVER IT

  14. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:

    “Math is hard. Let’s go shopping!” — Barbie’s advice to journo-lists.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  15. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    What I keep hearing from my liberal family is that white supremacy is disproportionately convicting blacks for these crimes, that white culture drives blacks to kill, that whites are responsible for some of the murders but a racist justice system framed up the blacks. They are literally being lynched. Every black suicide is a presumptive lynching until proven otherwise.

    The mental gymnastics become more and more outrageous as they avoid wrongthink and try to pretend that we are all inherently the same at birth, and any disparity must be due to societal reasons.

    These people are PhD educated but find a way to ignore reason in this one narrow circumstance. It’s totally puzzling. I think academia really has conditioned them to not question the narrative.

    Personally I hope we can find a way to help blacks succeed and participate in society because they aren’t going anywhere and we have to learn to live with them.

    But to even examine the problem honestly gets one branded a racist, so I guess we’re stuck making excuses for them while they fuck up our neighbourhoods.

  16. Ed says:
    @anon

    What’s the nature of your work? If it’s a fact linked to the FBI they’ll have a hard time pushing back. Only you can gauge the risk but if people let things go unchallenged people will run with it.

    I’ve done this offline and you’d be surprised how many people aren’t familiar with crime and education stats.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  17. They don’t come up because they don’t fit (cue in the drum rolls)—the NARRATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. @Bragadocious

    7.46, which is the multiple of whites to blacks.

    Is it?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @Daniel H
  19. That’s right, that’s fine, those are the facts and Kersey also has been beating his head against the same wall right below you on Unz. But we are now in a post-fact society

  20. @anonymous

    New Hampshire resident here:
    For states with very little murder, it’s a twofer with both low numbers playing havoc on the percentage (2 murders a year, 1 unsolved, 50% clearance rate in what is actually a very safe place)
    Another is solving/prosecuting murders is very tough and if you very seldomly do it you’re bound to mess it up. As an example, in a wealthy winter resort town next door, a beloved school nurse was murdered and the crime was never officially solved. The reality was the police messed up the evidence chain from her son, the killer, to the crime scene. (While it’s unenviable, it wasnt malice or misconduct or anything. A CA example might be the Compton police would handle murder better than the Palo Alto police.). The local DA declined to press the case, so the cops just basically harassed the son until he left the state “of his own accord”. So it is officially “unsolved” but it’s solved-ish

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @anonymous
  21. Cranmer says:

    What I find fascinating is that people are saying it’s 13%. Its not. Women rarely commit murder so that chops it down to 6.5%. Black men over 40-45 and kids under 12-13 also (for the most part) don’t commit murder. That leaves men ages 15-35 ish who commit these killings. That leaves about 3.25%. Let that sink in. 3.25% of the population is responsible for at least half (if not more) of the murders in this country.

  22. Ano says:

    Here is your iSteve listicle of upcoming news* stories in 2020 USA…

    FBI folds to BLM demands and fires all its crime statisticians for racism.

    BLM Statistical Services awarded no-bid FBI contract to gather data on US crime statistics

    Minneapolis unveils new BLM-approved police force: The Tonton Macoute

    Seattle unveils new Antifa-approved police force: The NKVD

    Antifa occupy Mr Sailer’s walk-in-closet office and declare it an autonomous zone (but don’t think his ancient car is worth the waste of a molotov cocktail)

    *Dear iSteve moderator, yes I know, all fake news….Today…. There’s always tomorrow.

  23. @Steve Sailer

    Sorry, you’re right. The multiple is 5.7. Now I get 7.37 times the white murder rate.

  24. J.Ross says:
    @anonymous

    Not fair, Maine has that old lady helping them!

    • LOL: jon
  25. @Cranmer

    Okay, but something similar is true for whites and Asians as well: younger men are doing most of the murdering.

  26. @Ed

    Bad advice. People are getting fired right and left for bringing up facts about race at work or even on-line, if it’s brought to their employer’s attention. If you don’t need a job, fine, go ahead and speak your mind.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  27. @J.Ross

    I had a dissimilar incident at that age. Sometime pre-10, I was playing with some friends, and a slightly older black girl decided I was a dentist or something and she was my wife. She got us alone, laid down on top of me, and planted a big wet kiss on me. In high school, I heard she prostituted herself.

  28. nebulafox says:
    @Cranmer

    The number gets even smaller when you take class into account.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  29. Joe Rogan’s podcast has been giving a little oxygen to opposing viewpoints re: BLM. Highly encouraging. I was never really a fan of Brett Weinstein who largely says things that I figured out years ago, but he takes some brave positions in this interview. He even points out that Big Floyd may not have been murdered. I tip my hat.

  30. Russ says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The looting and riots now are the black reaction to strong emotion. It’s the en mass version of what black men do when the police try to arrest them, as we saw in the Atlanta shooting most recently–don’t stay calm, spaz out.

    Jim Goad asserts at Takimag this week that black rage arises from black shame. That is a refreshingly enlightened perspective. BLM can stand a reminder that the enslavers never succeeded with the American Indians, that BLM ancestors failed to emancipate themselves, and that a half-century of Michael King and affirmative action haven’t achieved a damned thing. Thing is: Many a quote-unquote protestor these days is a guilt-sotten millennial white, all too willing to kneel to it.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    , @Pop Warner
    , @JMcG
  31. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Even more relevant for social order and quality of life would be murders of strangers and not very close acquaintances.

    “Murders” includes domestic cases of spousal and child murder, business associates and rivals, etc. These are tragic and bad of course, but they’re qualitatively different from being preyed upon and murdered by strangers in public or at home during home invasions.

    When people think of “dangerous” areas and make decisions to avoid or leave certain areas, it’s this public predatory sort of murder that they’re thinking about.

    I would imagine the statistics would skew even more black if you focused on these sorts of murders which fray the social order and destroy the public quality of life.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  32. Last time I mentioned these stats to a leftist, he just said “Lies!” and shut down the conversation.

  33. Currahee says:
    @anon

    You must remain silent or joyously love Big Brother.
    Any other reaction will see you hysterically attacked.
    Facts have nothing to do with the Negro Delusion Bubble.

  34. @TinnyDuk

    15. Black Female/White Male divorce rate 28.47%. Black Male/White Female divorce rate 74.82%

  35. @nebulafox

    The number gets even smaller when you take class into account.

    These people have no class.

  36. @Steve Sailer

    Young Black men have a way higher homicide rate than young White men.

    View post on imgur.com

  37. @Cranmer

    In 2018, black women committed a little over 11% as many murders as the number committed by black men, while for white women it was 13% of the number committed by white men.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  38. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    What I keep hearing from my liberal family is that white supremacy is disproportionately convicting blacks for these crimes, that white culture drives blacks to kill, that whites are responsible for some of the murders but a racist justice system framed up the blacks.

    Ask your family why, under this evil system of white supremacy that causes “people of color” to commit crimes, Asians have a lower homicide rate than whites do. Did white supremacists screw up and create yellow supremacy instead, you might ask. Shrug and say, “I guess we whites can’t do anything right. We even screwed up racism and ended up having another race do better.”

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Truth
  39. @Desiderius

    I have a suspicion that no one in Antifa or BLM did well in physics in high school.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  40. Cato says:
    @anon

    Ignorance prevails everywhere, even before these riots. A year ago, I responded to a Reddit thread about how to reduce gun violence. Naive me, I talked about the facts: most gun violence involves young black men. I proposed making black neighborhoods safer, so that young black men would not feel compelled to take the guns, belonging to their older female kinfolk, out on the street for self-defense. Result: massive loss of Reddit “karma” points. Seems like everyone in that world thinks that gun violence is a white thing. Really no excuse for such ignorance.

  41. @Patriot

    “Black lives matter to your safety and that of your family.”

    Somehow I suspect those additional words won’t be appearing on woke bumperstickers!

  42. How about a reparations system based on mass behavior? If the proportion of murders committed gets to the point where it is the same as the general population, then everyone who can prove more than 50% ancestry that was once enslaved in this country gets $10,000 that year, and run that program for 10 years. If the proportion gets close but not quite equal to, make it $5,000 a year.

    • Agree: Bostonvegas
  43. @Harry Baldwin

    In 2018, black women committed a little over 11% as many murders as the number committed by black men, while for white women it was 13% of the number committed by white men.

    But the question we really want answered is, who’s ahead? Black women, or white men?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  44. ‘FBI Data: Blacks, Who Are Only 13.4% of the Population, Were 54.9% of Known Murder Offenders in 2018’

    That works out about the same as it always does. Blacks are about eight times as likely as non-blacks to commit crimes. Any time, any place. About eight times, give or take.

  45. Goatweed says:

    I thought all the Hispanic perps were white and the victims were Hispanic?

  46. @Steve Sailer

    ‘Okay, but something similar is true for whites and Asians as well: younger men are doing most of the murdering.’

    What is true that while a young white male is more likely to physically assault you than that dear old-if somewhat-tedious granny across the street, the odds of a young black male being a violent criminal are really pretty good.

    If you see several coming toward you and you get that feeling, trust that feeling. They are criminals. Your feeling’s probably correct.

    Really.

  47. Daniel H says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, do you mind explaining the logic of your math equation?

  48. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    I ask this with all serious. What percentage of those people who were murdered do you think needed killing?

    Blacks live in a violent, anti-snitch culture that mistrusts police and the judicial system (often for good reason). So, how do you deal with a vicious, bad dude who’s victimized others and poses a threat to you and/or your family? Well, pre-emptive self-defense.

    Then there are situations where some viscous, evil dude victimizes you and/or a loved one. And even if this evil perp is arrested, charged, and found guilty he will at most do a few years of weightlifting at a level 2 prison. Sometimes victims are looking for real justice and that’s only found in extrajudicial justice.

    Liberalizing the justice system has an even more deleterious effect on the black community than reducing policing.

  49. anonymous[448] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Answers like this which are just speculation should be avoided. There were over 100 murders in the past 10 years. Half solved.

  50. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    OT: Bloomberg next week.

    “Maybe what companies need is something a little more coercive.”

    I wonder if Ms Greenfield would care to analyse some other really rare ethnic stats on those white CEOs. This is the ultimate test though. Will the CEO class ‘get out of the way’? I wonder when the likes of Ms Greenfield will ‘get out of the way’.

    Also no analysis will be conducted to examine how much of this is just class. People from poor backgrounds aren’t terribly well represented either.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  51. Elli says:
    @Patriot

    It gets worse: Nearly 50% of all murders are comitted by only ~3% of the USA population, Black males between 15 and 35 yrs age.

    And most of the remaining murders are committed by young men of other races. Comparing apples to apples.

  52. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    Breaking News! Racism Alert!

    It happened just yesterday, even more recently than Emmett Till’s lynching:

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29328113/oklahoma-state-mike-gundy-accused-using-racial-slur-1989-game

  53. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I was never really a fan of Brett Weinstein who largely says things that I figured out years ago

    He and other progressive Jews discovered ‘centrism’ when the SJWs threatened them, either by not making a distinction between Jews and ‘whites’ (As they did at Evergreen’s Day Without Whites and as he himself brings up in the interview you linked with his coethnic) or through them losing control and being fearful that, Israel, the most obvious example of war-mongering, racism and colonialism in the world should be their main target, particularly given the increasing suppression of criticism of Israel in the Western media.

    Basically he didn’t make these observations until it impacted him.

    https://forward.com/scribe/375204/the-grave-and-mortal-danger-of-calling-white-jews-privileged/

    On this Day of Absence, unlike in previous years where people of color removed themselves from campus to highlight the importance of their presence (“white” Jews like Weinstein having been conspicuously excluded from this tent)

    Shapiro is the right wing version.

    Basically.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
  54. @Anon

    Personally I hope we can find a way to help blacks succeed and participate in society because they aren’t going anywhere and we have to learn to live with them.

    CRISPR-Cas9

  55. Mr. Sailer et al, I think I asked the question too narrowly last time, and I’m just too damn lazy at the moment to look myself beyond what I already have.

    Does the US black/non-black differential in violent crime also hold true in the Caribbean or Latin America? I understand that Brazil is difficult because of their color continuum that doesn’t neatly capture who’s “black”, but aren’t there other countries with an SSA minority who track this data? I’m asking about Latin America and the Caribbean specifically because (1) I can’t offhand think of any other part of the world where the African diaspora has gathered in large numbers, and (2) I’ve given up hope on finding data from Canada or the Eurozone per Almost Missouri.

  56. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s not similar, that’s obfuscating, because the relevant bit isn’t the age but the proportion.
    Any way we look at this data the same conclusion is inescapable. The only way to miss it is to not look.

  57. Slimer says:

    Teenage shooters in the hood almost always get killed, if not imprisoned. They committ murder knowing before hand that they’ll have to pay the piper some day, with no option to resume a normal life. Instead, they’re consigned to a state of fear that entails looking over their shoulder until the get back finally comes.

    The only people who are legitimately scared of black criminals are black, not white people who believe they should be able to kill blacks with no consequence.

    I maintain that hostility towards blacks is mostly based on looks, in that people are typically grossed out by nappy hair and african features. It’s like how women say they dislike men for behaving in such and such manner, but then happily sleep with good looking men who behave the same way.

    • Replies: @anon
  58. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Rogan told his millions of viewers last week that after watching “100 videos” of the looting, he noticed it was mostly “white kids” looting “free Nikes” and that he saw a total of “4 black people”. He’s lying, retarded or has completely fried his brain with weed and other drugs.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Trinity
  59. Lot says:
    @Patriot

    Good graphic here shows murder rate by race and age:

    Note that Ron Unz’s “hispanic crime’s a myth they only have a higher murder rate cause they’re younger!” line is debunked here. They have a drastically higher murder rate than non-hispanic whites in every single age bracket.

    The full report from 2015 is excellent.

    https://www.aim.org/special-report/black-criminals-white-victims-and-white-guilt/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  60. Trinity says:

    How many of those “white” offenders were actually Hispanic or mixed race? Talk about FAKE NEWS, even crime stats are FUDGED to discriminate against Whites. “Whites” are 82% of the population? WHAT?

  61. Moses says:
    @Anon

    What I keep hearing from my liberal family is that white supremacy is disproportionately convicting blacks for these crimes, that white culture drives blacks to kill, that whites are responsible for some of the murders but a racist justice system framed up the blacks.

    I hear similar from otherwise educated, thoughtful and intelligent people.

    Like the Cultural Revolution, this thing will have to run its course.

    Fasten your seat belt.

    As we’ve seen, police will not help you when things go down. Buy guns and get trained on self-defense. The Roaring 20s are gonna be lit.

  62. Moses says:
    @Twinkie

    “I guess we whites can’t do anything right. We even screwed up racism and ended up having another race do better.”

    I, for one, will welcome our new Han overlords.

    They will not “bend the knee” or indulge the Schwartzes’ nonsense like Whites have, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @AnotherDad
  63. Dougfir says:
    @Desiderius

    What’s really funny is there’s a crane in the background. Any of these dickwad soyboys know how to operate a crane? I didn’t think so.

  64. @Chrisnonymous

    These stats aren’t going to convince anyone. You don’t need to stats to see why blacks are often killed by police.

    Blacks aren’t “often” killed by police if you’re comparing to either whites killed by police or as a likely cause of homicide.

    Police killings of blacks have been running about 200-300 a year, compared to 300-400 killings of whites. Blacks average around 30% of police kills. That’s above their population percentage, but significantly *less* than their share of violent crime. Relative to whites blacks are actually underkilled by the police.

    Furthermore almost all of these police killings are armed black men who just don’t “drop the gun”. Lat year a whopping … 9 … that’s right 9 unarmed blacks were killed by police. That is literally “struck by lightening” territory. (Seriously about blacks’ shared of US lighten strike deaths.)

    And all police killings of blacks–armed or not–are about 3% of total black homicide victims. Almost all of the remaining 97% are blacks killing blacks. Fellow blacks, not the cops are who blacks needs to watch out for. Blacks are probably safer having an interaction with the police, then they are going to a house party with fellow blacks.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Chrisnonymous
  65. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Since this is a Black vs White political brawl over inter-racial murder (with a media-scripted ending), the most impactful stat, imo, is the incidence at which Blacks are more likely to murder Whites per Black capita than Whites are to murder Blacks per White capita.

    In other words, how more or less likely is a random Black individual to murder a White individual whose path they cross – than the converse.

    To come to the number, you have to use the Black and White population numbers for the given year and the inter-racial murder rates.

    Table 6 on the pertinent FBI page provides the murder data. Google the population numbers.

    Granted, this will not control for a multiple-homicide variable (one murderer, multiple victims). We’re going to make a loose assumption that it cancels out across both groups, for our final rate. That is, for every so many inter-racial murders we are going to assume that there will be the same rate of multiple homicide incidents and victims.

    Math:

    Divide #White murders of Blacks (FBI data) into the total White population (around 197 million)
    and #Black murders of Whites into the total Black population (around 42 million)

    There will be one inter-racial murderer within the murderers race

    per this many people of the murderers race.

    This is the inter-racial murderer incidence of the murderers race.

    Now divide the smaller number (Black population per murderer of Whites) into the larger number (White population per murderer of Blacks).

    The result is the X:1 rate at which Blacks murder Whites

    AKA: this is the multiple by which you are more likely are you to get murdered by any Blacks, individual than the converse.

    Without getting into the math and the exact numbers at the moment, I recently calculated the numbers to be around 11.2.

    That is, any given Black man, all other variables excluded (such as what neighborhood you are walking in), is statistically 11.2x more likely to murder a White person than the converse.

    The White murderer incidence of Blacks is what Black Lives Matter is protesting, which is less than 10% of the statistical incidence of Black murderers of Whites per capita of the Black population.

    The total volume of Whites murdered by Blacks is around 3x as high as the inverse. The White population is 5x that of Blacks, but suffers 3X the total volume of deaths at Black hands.

    I believe I was using 2020 population data though, for a 2018 FBI stats calculation. The real number will be ever so slightly different.

  66. @TinnyDuk

    Tinny duck.

    • Troll: jon
    • Replies: @anon
  67. @Clifford Brown

    Right, it can be a little frustrating when you’ve graduated from race realism 101 to listen to this stuff, but it’s encouraging.

    Cancel culture is so insane even normies are noticing.

    But how does this energy get focused positively?

  68. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    If you go look at the possessions of American Indians and Blacks today, they sure don’t resemble what their ancestors had 300 years ago. Today, they have a lot of STUFF. Big screen TVs, cell phones, fancy tennis shoes, myriads of other junk. Stuff that came from white people. Whites designed it.

    What’s more, many American Indians and blacks are on welfare. Who pays for welfare? White people.

    So you say whites took stuff away from Indians and blacks? I’d say whites sure gave a lot TO Indians and blacks.

  69. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I haven’t yet watched the new Rogan interview, but (as recently as within the past couple of weeks) Bret Weinstein spends his time throwing White people under the bus whenever possible, shilling for Jewish nationalism, propagating double-standard political ethics, and riding the coat-tails of Black victimhood. See his statements in his other interviews that brush against these topics as well as one of his recent rants posted to youtube in the past couple of weeks.

    Weinstein is a White hating nationalist Jew trying to gatekeep against the Right like the rest of his contingent.

    Weinstein sees Blacks as victims of Whites, but Jews as righteous defenders against a Palestinian threat. There is no one more openly hostile and loathsome as someone who propagates a dual moral standard as logic.

    It’s telling that Rogan has never had on a non-Jewish MAGA figure, whose public identity is his MAGA politics. Just like its telling for Fox News, it is telling that Rogan has people on like Never Trumper Ben Shapiro whose politics have no discernible support outside of Jews and the handful of high placed goyish sellouts who wish to gatekeep against the Right.

    Rogan’s adopted daughter is Black (the daughter of his White wife and a Black rapper, from before her marriage to Rogan). He hates you.

  70. @Desiderius

    People inside the Seattle “Autonomous Zone” have been working on days to construct and erect a giant black power fist. They used torches to burn wood planks black for the material. They were unable to lift the structure up.

    So they fisted themselves? I didn’t think that was possible.

  71. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Kevin Drum has discovered the Fergusson Effect, except in his version, since Fergusson shootings of blacks by cops has gone way down, so Yay Fergusson Effect!

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/raw-data-police-shootings-of-unarmed-men/

    Also, he thinks police forces should hire more women, because, as a source says, “Decades of research show female officers can handle hostile and violent suspects as well as their male counterparts.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/maybe-we-need-more-women-on-police-forces/

    He must not watch WorldStarHipHop videos that much, since he (and the “decades of researchers”) don’t seem to be aware of the phenomenon of black guys clocking chicks who then bust their heads open on the curb.

  72. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Typo in last line of post: “see” should be “seem.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  73. jon says:
    @Anon

    What I keep hearing from my liberal family is that white supremacy is disproportionately convicting blacks for these crimes, that white culture drives blacks to kill, that whites are responsible for some of the murders but a racist justice system framed up the blacks. They are literally being lynched. Every black suicide is a presumptive lynching until proven otherwise.

    Your liberal friends/family are a lot more creative than mine. They just tell me that agency is a privilege. Honestly, that’s what a friend told me last time I bothered to try to argue about this stuff with him. How can you even try to respond to someone who’s that far gone?

  74. Ron Unz says:

    A couple of weeks ago I read TOMBSTONE, which runs about 600 pages and is said to be the definitive account of Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward.

    A great deal of the material concerns the stubborn belief of the CCP leadership that collectized agriculture was highly productive, despite absolutely all evidence to the contrary. Reasonable estimates are that something like 35M Chinese starved to death during the resulting famine.

    The stubborn ideological commitment of America’s ruling elites to particular racial policies over the last 60-odd years seems quite similar to me…

  75. @Charon

    This is a minor price to pay in comparison with the BAMAMA factor that makes our sportsball entertaininments more exciting than they would be with only a bunch of boring old mayonnaise white-bread afletes. We also need to remember that the same live for today attitude, strength, speed, and assertiveness was vital in early America’s edge in agricultural production and prosperity- without it where would we be now? Those revenues made possible our skyscrapered cities, our flag on the moon, our technological advancements, and so much more. So let’s not look this gift horse in the mouth so much with all these tedious statistics, and instead celebrate what got us here while not dwelling upon these necessary but minor drawbacks of who got us here.

  76. @Reg Cæsar

    I read somewhere that black women commit murder at a higher rate than white men, but I can’t find the cite and my math skills aren’t up to figuring it out with the FBI stats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  77. The Guardian newspaper has a short excerpt from an interview, supposedly with Rayshard Brooks. No date or context for the clip is provided.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/jun/18/rayshard-brooks-says-us-justice-system-treats-people-like-animals-in-interview-before-his-death

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Bostonvegas
  78. Anyone in the market for a genuinely defensible blacks-and-whites-together protest which we can all get behind?

    Remember Lee Smith, who pitched for the Cubs and several other teams? Here is his daughter Alanna, speaking out against Connecticut’s permitting mentally ill, self-maimed boys to compete against girls in high school sports:

    For those who have problems with Miss Smith’s mixed-race descent, listen to Selina Soule, who has a Mayflower surname:

    What we have here is two mentally ill black boys backed by an army of mentally ill white bureaucrats.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  79. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    Ask your family why, under this evil system of white supremacy that causes “people of color” to commit crimes, Asians have a lower homicide rate than whites do

    Homicide is generally a male thing and the Asians testosterone deficit is greatly beneficial to them in this regard.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jack Armstrong
  80. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Suggest that you next read The Rise and Fall of T. D. Lysenko by Zhores Medvedev

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1870124.Rise_and_Fall_of_T_D_Lysenko

    It is similarly applicable to modern situations.

  81. @TinnyDuk

    A reliable observation about social trends (e.g., firing racists, strong BLM protests) is they never continue for ever. What’s more, the greater the force required to ensure a trend’s longevity, the more likely it is a counter trend evolves (e.g., firing people who fired racists, jailing BLM leaders). The nastier counter trends (e.g., shooting the people who fired racists, hanging BLM leaders) are usually quite a surprise for the ‘dominant trend’ fellow travelers who rarely if ever consider their house of cards will topple, unlike those at the top who understand how much effort is required to hold up the edifice.

    Time will tell.

    • Troll: jon
    • Replies: @Anon
  82. anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patriot

    It gets worse: Nearly 50% of all murders are comitted by only ~3% of the USA population, Black males between 15 and 35 yrs age.

    This tiny group commits an incredible amount of crime.

    Anyone with any common sense would run when seeing a Young Black male!

    Black lies matter to your safety and that of your family. Say away from Blacks.

    I said this almost verbatim to a black friend of mine, who was complaining about white women clutching their purses when he entered an elevator. I said, according to the stats, they’d have to be stupid not to. He said he hadn’t read those stats, but if they were true, he said he’d have to agree with me.

    After more heated debate he said, “assuming all this is true, how am I supposed to function under this? If black people are this bad, how am I supposed to function in society as a black person?’

    I said, “quit aligning your identity with black people in general, and fashion yourself as an individual. Make being black incidental, instead of interwoven.”

    He’s well to do, and really enjoys the positive aspects of being black, as well to do blacks can, so that’s a tall order for him. But that would be the way ahead in a nutshell, if it were me. His initial concern is certainly authentic and valid.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    , @Barnard
    , @bomag
  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    The stepmother of the cop who was charged with murder in Atlanta was fired from her job at a mortgage company, essentially for being his stepmother. The company now claims “reasons” – they didn’t like her social media posts, which probably just argued for the innocence of her stepson.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  84. Lot says:
    @PiltdownMan

    A video of George Floyd a few years before his death was also uncovered, but the Guardian is unlikely to be promoting it, though perhaps pornhub will get the rights.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/rtOkZ2WkgHFL/

  85. Charon says:
    @AnotherDad

    The sad thing is that these facts–and no responsible party denies that these are facts–can be repeated over and over again to no effect.

    So long as our mass media remain in the hands of people who promote their favored narrative at the expense of inconvenient facts, the facts won’t matter a bit. The megaphone matters.

    And so long as the preferred narratives just happen to promote violence, mayhem, and dispossession aimed almost exclusively at white people, they’re serving the purposes of the powers that be.

    Consider how tiny a share of the public mindset is occupied by sites such as unz and vdare. Yet these same powers stop at nothing to silence us.

  86. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Liberal mayor of Olympia, Washington is ticked off when the left vandalizes her house.

    https://amp.theolympian.com/news/local/article243516852.html?__twitter_impression=true

  87. @AnotherDad

    Yes, yes. Just strike the “often” and you’ll see my point. They bring it on themselves, which is consi stent with their other destructive and self-destructive behavior driven by failure to control emotions.

  88. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The FBI white perp stats are wildly inflated.

    Many many hispanic non-white perps are counted as white perps by the Satanic FBI. (Non-white victims are NOT counted as white of course).

    The linguistic term “Hispanics” is Nixon’s bullshit. It includes the following ludicrous non-white (many non-spanish speaking) peoples:

    Descendants of Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, Incans plus many other tribes. Mestizo mulatto indio etc.

    See their photos in Most Wanted galleries. It’s a sick joke. They’re not remotely white. For example any murders committed by ms13 and other central american gangs are classified as white perps by the FBI (and by some states). There is no other perp category for them. This is another outrage Trump has not fixed.

  89. J.Ross says:

    Guess the race of the guy who shot eight people without having effected a “mass shooting”!
    https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/06/18/man-suspected-of-shooting-8-victims-at-rebar-arrested-in-florida-police-say/

  90. Charon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What we have here is two mentally ill black boys backed by an army of mentally ill white bureaucrats.

    Very nearly our entire society in microcosm.

  91. Blacks are just a violent people, period. This is the case everywhere, the USA, the UK, Canada, places where blacks were almost nil in numbers and never mistreated. Violence is the defining charcateristic of any black area.

  92. @Cranmer

    Staying away from blacks is a sound survival strategy.

  93. dvorak says:
    @anonymous

    I said, “quit aligning your identity with black people in general, and fashion yourself as an individual. Make being black incidental, instead of interwoven.”

    What the hell kind of instruction is that? I’m glad I don’t work for you, you’re way too vague and abstract.

    If you wanted a concrete suggestion for your Black friend, you could have told him to go steampunk:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  94. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I have no lol and I must LOL!

  95. J.Ross says:
    @dvorak

    Shameful admission: when I learn that a black guy is into D&D, or HPL (but y’all zothiquans need CAS), or as you say effervescent technologies, or suchlike, I mark him as probably not that bad of a guy. I once met a black guy who talked about being able to tolerate Windows because he dealt with it “from the command line” and I thought, “wow, nice.”

    • Replies: @anon
  96. Further breakdown by gender and age will be germane

  97. @Reg Cæsar

    Did every Black person who pitched for the cubs marry a white woman? Ken Hill Pat Mahomes and Lee Smith. I guess this is Lee’s second wife.

  98. Slimer says:
    @Anon

    Personally I hope we can find a way to help blacks succeed and participate in society because they aren’t going anywhere and we have to learn to live with them.

    With most African countries transitioning from low to middle income, this is probably not the case. It’s projected that by mid-century most of Sub-Saharan Africa, not all of it, will have a living standard comparable to Mexico or Chile. While not as cozy as the west, the *net* benefit of living in such a society will pull in millions from the diaspora, including the U.S.

    America’s black population will rise for the next couple of decades, due to immigration from the continent, then steadily decline thereafter. Those who stay will have a lot of white ancestry, like their distant cousins in Canada who identify as African Nova Scotian. So what remains will be a small, blackish collective with roots in southern U.S. culture that occasionally complains of police brutality but doesn’t pose any threat of tearing up your cities.

  99. jon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I fully support trans athletes competing in women’s sports. The enemy of my enemy, and all that. The man-hating lesbians who pushed Title IX, destroying a lot of opportunity for men in sports, and who mostly make-up the athletes and coaches in women’s sports, are not our friends or allies in any way. They deserve to enjoy some of the pain of the modern world that they helped create.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong, JMcG
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  100. jon says:
    @J.Ross

    What the hell did I just see there? Some background please.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  101. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Testosterone doesn’t seem to explain race differences in crime, while IQ does:

    https://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/10/can-racial-differences-in-circulating.html

    Can racial differences in circulating testosterone explain racial differences in crime?
    No. According to the DOJ:

    an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

    Assuming levels of testosterone (T) and criminality are perfectly correlated (they’re not–the relationship between testosterone and criminality is far from clear even within populations), a third of black males would need to have higher T than all but 6% of white men to explain black-white differences in crime in terms favored by guywhite.

    In reality, large, representative US samples show minimal or no black-white differences in T. Using NHANES III data, Rohrmann et al. find elevated estrogen but not testosterone in black males.

    https://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-explains-racial-differences-in.html

    What explains racial differences in crime?

    As we’ve seen, not testosterone. A much better candidate for explaining racial differences in criminality: racial differences in intelligence. Robert Gordon demonstrated decades ago that simply controlling for IQ eliminates almost the entire black-white gap in juvenile delinquency, and Murray and Herrnstein similarly find IQ explains most of the black-white difference in incarceration rates:

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @RSDB
  102. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    We’ve already fought one dumb war over blacks that killed and maimed a lot of white people. We should never fight another. Unfortunately, Leftism is a cancer that has metastasized throughout a healthy body. We need to take over the schools like we’re conquering enemy territory. Schools should teach facts, not all these crazy editorial opinions about race, class, religion, politics, and gender. Teachers should not ever have the right to express an opinion about any of the latter topics. Schools are not a newspaper editorial department. Schools exist to teach students skills for getting a job. They don’t exist for teachers to editorialize. In an earlier era, teachers never dared to talk about these things. It wasn’t their job or any of their business to trample all over their students’ beliefs. We need to go back to that society.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Ganderson
  103. @anonymous

    Now we’re getting into the whole feature/bug thing.

  104. @Reg Cæsar

    Trans women are women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  105. @Truth

    Testosterone definitely plays a role.

  106. @jon

    They deserve to enjoy some of the pain of the modern world that they helped create.

    The man-hating dykes of Title IX are mostly dead. Miss Smith and Miss Soule deserve none of this. What they need is real men to take back their culture.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
  107. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    Blackface at the Washington Post?! Say it isn’t so!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/blackface-incident-at-washington-post-cartoonists-2018-halloween-party-resurfaces-amid-protests/2020/06/17/66f09bde-af2e-11ea-856d-5054296735e5_story.html

    Just for the record, I’ve never had the urge to commit Blackface, and I have no idea why people do it. What’s going on in their heads? It’s one step more stupid and clownish than wearing a lampshade at a party.

  108. Welcome to the new offence known as Hate Statistics.

  109. Anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    That’s why I’ve always said it resembles a religious cult more than anything.

  110. @Anon

    Schools should teach facts, not all these crazy editorial opinions about race, class, religion, politics, and gender. Teachers should not ever have the right to express an opinion about any of the latter topics.

    It used to be that way. But Epperson v. Arkansas did away with that. The ACLU and NEA failed with Scopes, but finally prevailed with this one. Mrs Epperson paid no fine and kept her job. (She’s still with us, by the way.)

    Weird, but the usual critics of these nefarious groups on Unz.com are silent on their activism in these cases. It’s not about anthropology, it’s about politics. Doesn’t anybody defend states’ rights anymore?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epperson_v._Arkansas

    We’ve already fought one dumb war over blacks that killed and maimed a lot of white people…

    …while the blacks themselves proved their worthlessness to their employers. They were also exempt from the draft by both sides.

    • Replies: @anon
  111. Mr. Blank says:

    From time to time, I’ve been tempted to post figures like this in response to some of the crazier stuff my lefty friends have been putting on social media lately. Because the way they’ve been talking lately, it seems like they really are completely ignorant of all this stuff.

    But I always stop myself, because I think about it for a moment and realize, “of course they know this stuff.” The way they conduct themselves and order their lives testifies to the fact that they are perfectly aware of these facts. (Though one occasionally runs across a true believer who REALLY IS completely unaware of the facts, those people tend to have pretty short lifespans.)

    When I was growing up, it used to be that everybody knew this stuff, but it was considered poor taste to mention it publicly. But everybody — black, white, liberal, conservative — knew the facts. It wasn’t talked about, but nobody pretended it wasn’t true.

    But now we have to navigate an additional level of protective stupidity, where not only are we not supposed to mention the truth, but we are supposed to make a great show of being utterly ignorant of it — while simultaneously retaining enough awareness of the truth to behave in ways conducive to self-preservation.

    I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown. But then again, maybe that explains what we’re seeing now…

  112. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Some quick and dirty analysis.

    Black women, roughly 7.7% of US population, responsible for roughly 6% of murders (54.9 x 11%).
    White men, roughly 40% of US population, responsible for roughly 39.5% of murders (45 x 87%).

    Roughly equivalent, BUT, that headline ‘white’ figure is massively and artificially inflated by mestizos, so your hunch is likely true.

  113. @Clifford Brown

    Joe Rogan’s recent interview with Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman was very, very clever. They only mentioned George Floyd for a split second, but they talked about Ronnie Coleman’s pre-bodybuilding career as a police officer quite a lot. That gets people thinking, and then searching for videos of Coleman in his bodybuilding prime returns hits on a documentary that focuses largely on his police work too.

    Somehow that got me onto the Rubin Report interview with another conservative black cop.

    Great tactic on Rogan’s part.

    I really respect his idea of moving off the social media, but I’m afraid it’s going to backfire. I watch about 10% of his interviews. When they are great, they are great, but 10%… I won’t pay for that.

  114. @Ron Unz

    There was a good article in National Geographic a few years ago on soil, but it’s hook was discussing the CCP’s forcing of farmers to plant crops in places with totally unsuitable soil conditions. Nice photos of “orchards” consisting entirely of barren, exposed ground. Crazy.

    Basically, Detroit is the American version of those orchards, but you’re not allowed to make the connection.

  115. JosephB says:

    A useful shorthand I use is the ratio of black to white murder rate is roughly the same as the ratio of men to women: ~9 to 1. It helps for explaining things to people: you’re more nervous about a group of men than a group of women, therefore…

    It also helps to think of the black murder rate as male^2.

  116. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    I’m not sure whether they are even trying in that clip.

    Ancient Egyptians could help!! There were also scenes of successful erections in “The 12 Commandments” by mythical “Jews in Egyptian Concentration Camps”. Time to rewatch.

    Btw, Pyramids were NOT built using slave power or by people from much further south down the Nile or by “Jews” (which would not even be the same “Jews” as today)

    In other news:

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  117. @Charon

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Joseph Doaks, HammerJack, Redneck farmer, Redneck farmer

    Maybe life is like Unz.com and us little folk aren’t allowed to agree with the objective facts while certain privileged crackers like Redneck Farmer hog all the agreement for themselves?

  118. Gordo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    If your agencies count Middle East North Africa types as White then the percentage of crimes committed by real Whites, i.e. Euro-Americans, is being overstated.

  119. nebulafox says:
    @El Dato

    I recall reading as a child that some of the glyphs you’ll see display the laborers working on the pyramids being paid their wages.

    >Btw, Pyramids were NOT built using slave power or by people from much further south down the Nile or by “Jews” (which would not even be the same “Jews” as today)

    Honestly, modern Judaism is more like a sister to Christianity than a parent religion, even if we take race out of it. The Romans engaged in a project of cultural genocide after the last of the rebellions, so survival dictated a complete overhaul: which would take place in the intellectual centers of the comparatively tolerant Persians to the east, Babylon and Susa.

    (Between that and Cyrus liberating them in the first place from the original exile, it’s kind of bizarre that Iran is so anti-Israel today.)

    Perhaps the biggest difference is that the martial overtones you’ll see on full display in the Bible are gone, replaced by the familiar emphasis on study.

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Ed says:
    @Slimer

    This is laughable? The people projecting it are lying or aren’t good at their job. In South Africa blacks earn about $2k a year, half make less than $90 per month.

    https://apnews.com/a1cd5ebc5ed24a7088d970d30bb04ba1

    There’s no indication that will improve via gains in human capital. In fact SA Blacks do so horribly at school the government simply lowers standards.

    https://qz.com/africa/859222/south-africas-education-department-reduced-the-pass-mark-for-mathematics-to-20-in-schools/

    This is just in the “good” African country.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  121. @Ed

    There’s no indication that will improve via gains in human capital. In fact SA Blacks do so horribly at school the government simply lowers standards.

    More proof that, outside the Talented Trillionth, they literally can’t into STEM and they never will.

  122. El Dato says:
    @Altai

    The displayed belief in the workings of market & competition exhibited by some rag called “Businessweek” are staggering.

    “Despite billions of dollars, it still doesn’t work”

    Soviet logic commands that coercion be applied so that “it” finally works – as it should eventually.

  123. Ron Unz says:
    @Lot

    Note that Ron Unz’s “hispanic crime’s a myth they only have a higher murder rate cause they’re younger!” line is debunked here. They have a drastically higher murder rate than non-hispanic whites in every single age bracket.

    Not really. The 2007 CDC data he is citing is for *being murdered* not *committing murder*, which is a HUGE difference.

    Immigrant Hispanics are usually quite poor, and being poor tend to live in the areas where rents are lowest, often because those places are heavily black and have very high crime rates. People who live in very high crime areas are more likely to get murdered even if they themselves aren’t the killers.

    For example, when immigrant Hispanics started moving into the cheap housing of Watts, Compton, and the rest of South-Central, they were often murdered by the local blacks. But once they finally pushed out the blacks, the murder rate plummeted.

    Closer to home, during the early 1990s East Palo Alto had the *highest* per capita murder rate in America. It was mostly black and as the Hispanics moved in, they were frequently murdered. But once they gradually pushed out the blacks and it became overwhelmingly Hispanic, the murder rate dropped by 97%. A homicide decline of 97% seems pretty impressive to me.

    I covered this subject in great detail a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    As commenters probably know, “Lot” always claims to be a Christian of half-German ancestry, but his fanatic pro-Israel focus has naturally led me to suspect he’s just another one of the many dishonest Jewish activists who infect this website.

    However, comments like the one above suggest that he might just be too stupid and ignorant to actually be Jewish…

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @res
  124. Anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Change that Matters

    The over-arching trend hasn’t reversed since it began, which was at the least as far back as the end of the Civil War. The trick to trend watching is to see them through a wide-enough lens.

  125. @jon

    Ironically, hyperwokes saying that blacks shouldn’t be expected to have agency sounds like the scene from The Godfather where, at the meeting of the five families, Don Zaluchi says it’s okay to sell drugs to “the dark people” because “they’re animals anyway, so let them lose their own souls.”

  126. Anon[540] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    t’s projected that by mid-century most of Sub-Saharan Africa, not all of it, will have a living standard comparable to Mexico or Chile.

    LOL!! So sub-Saharan Africa will have a living standard above Columbia and Argentina. That’s a good one.

    Sub-Saharan Africa is going to continue to struggle to have a living standard that approaches those of the West Bank, Afghanistan, etc.

    American Blacks only avoid falling into mass civilizational breakdown due to Jewish / White largess. And they live in the wealthiest nation on the planet.

    And yet Blacks are supposed to be able to surpass the civilization of Italians in Argentina? Or even of Arabs in any non-war torn Arab nation? Again, that’s a good one.

    Mexico doesn’t even “pull in Millions from the Diaspora”. Africans will continue to want to come here in as many slave ships as they can pack, given the opportunity. Proximity to Whites is paramount above all else. That’s for every other race, including those who delude themselves otherwise via supremacist pseudo-Judaism (Islam, especially Arab Muslims) and stolen history (Persians). That’s not debatable at this point in history.

    “Most” African countries are “transitioning” from low to middle income? Where do you get this stuff?

    So what remains will be a small, blackish collective with roots in southern U.S. culture that occasionally complains of police brutality but doesn’t pose any threat of tearing up your cities.

    So, what will remain is the same problem we have now except ever larger. What you predict is ridiculous on its face.

    The high birth rates of the”blackish” (ie: Black, right?) population, and of every minority population with incomes below Whites, contradicts that prediction even given your laughable premise of mass repatriation to Africa.

  127. Twinkie says:
    @Moses

    I, for one, will welcome our new Han overlords.

    Our new overlords won’t be “Han” – they will be Indians.

  128. m. says:

    .”society” is not responsible for criminality
    .don’t give a s**t about your motivation
    .guns do not commit violence
    .every mofo is responsible for their own actions

  129. Gordo says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The stepmother of the cop who was charged with murder in Atlanta was fired from her job at a mortgage company, essentially for being his stepmother.

    Its like pre-Meiji Japan, for a crime considered serious the family of the criminal was exterminated in all generations.

    Here and now the second most serious ‘crime’ is ‘racism’, or being accused of ‘racism’, a word which is never quite defined so as to keep a little flexibility in the process.

  130. Twinkie says:
    @Slimer

    With most African countries transitioning from low to middle income

    It remains to be seen, but even if true, such a development tends to increase, not decrease, emigration as it increases the number of aspiring middle class population with the requisite skills to navigate the bureaucracy of Western countries.

    Emigration declines when a country transitions from a middle income to a high income economy. In other words, emigration tends to present as an upside down J curve.

  131. Anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Honestly, modern Judaism is more like a sister to Christianity than a parent religion, even if we take race out of it.

    I can see where theologically decontextualized touch-points could be used to make this argument, but the sum of either religion firmly refutes it.

    I say that as a theology student. I’m non-religious.

    It would be more accurate to say that Christianity is an answer to Judaism, necessarily using its milieu to answer.

    In other words, it is more accurate to say that Christianity seeks an opposite result of Judaism but in doing so is required to mirror Judaism’s mythology and eschatology, all the while making changes and inverting the results.

    Which coarser interpreters are prone to interpreting as advocacy for Judaism.

    But this inversion of results is specifically why Jews reserve a special hate for Christians. Christianity is impregnated with a number of “counter magic” rituals to Jewish Black magic rituals such as the Passover observance whose purpose is to ritualize the murder of non-Jews (and specifically the murder of their children).

    This is why Jews hate Christianity, and through cultural subversion seek to eliminate the practice of such counter rituals in Christianity as they occur in rituals such as the Catholic Mass.

    But eliminate them or not, Christianity’s primary premises exist to refute Judaism’s premises (and to outwardly identify the Jews for who they are, mythologically speaking – ie: no “Sister” religion would identify its sister practitioners as the Children of its most loathsome supernatural Enemy).

    Perhaps the biggest difference is that the martial overtones you’ll see on full display in the Bible are gone, replaced by the familiar emphasis on study.

    It’s difficult to make the “gone” argument when those Jewish martial overtones were simply transplanted into Arab populations via Islam.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  132. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Rogan’s been lying for a long time. 100M is lot of dough to lose if his deal with Spotify gets canceled.

    • Agree: Lot
  133. We live in a post reason, post logic society. No amount of statistics will snap most ignorant people out of their virtual reality mind sets.

  134. @Harry Baldwin

    I read somewhere that black women commit murder at a higher rate than white men, but I can’t find the cite and my math skills aren’t up to figuring it out with the FBI stats.

    Well, from the Bureau of Justice Statistics table Steve has above women are 10.5% of offenders.

    That means men offend at (89.5/10.5) at about 8.5 times the rate of women. Roughly comparable to Steve’s calculation (7.9) of the black / non-black gap.

    Plenty of slop here but if
    — that sex ratio still holds today
    — that sex ratio roughly holds for blacks
    — the white homicide rate is less than the “non-black” rate (because of Hispanics)
    then it is possible black women’s homicide > white men’s homicide.

    To me the data are critically important. But getting some exact ratio–which will jump around year to year–is not.

    ~

    The bottom line here which Ron Unz pointed out in an article a couple years ago:

    Blacks are much, much more criminally violent that other large ethnic groups. Something approaching an order or magnitude more homicidal, comparable to the sex skew between men and women!!!

    It is critical to understand this both
    a) In relation to all this noise–the latest minoritarian white mau-mauing scam–about blacks and the police. Blacks are simply *involved* with the police a lot more and relative to their violent crime rate are actually killed less by police than whites.

    b) In relation to blacks difficulties relative to other groups in civilized nations. Black crime and violence and general disorder (ex. people coming and going, stereo blaring at 2 a.m ) makes being around lots of blacks undesirable for people from other ethnic groups and tends to create black isolation and specifically black neighborhoods. Such neighborhoods becoming more heavily black, then have even higher crime/disorder, becoming “bad neighborhoods” and driving out more non-blacks–a positive feedback loop of negativity.

    It is not just blacks lower IQs but the manifestation of blacks’ lower IQ, conscientiousness, cooperation and higher time-preference in high rates of criminal violence that are at the heart of blacks’ position in America (and other nations).

  135. @anonymous

    No, the point stands. NH had 32 murders in 2019. Los Angeles County alone had 200-something. LA is orders of magnitude more prepared for the administrative, legal, criminological etc steps to prosecute murder cases. “Unsolved” and “proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law” aren’t synonymous. My general (and falsifiable) claim is low murder rate, ceterus parabus, leads to lower conviction rate

  136. Ganderson says:
    @Anon

    Every public school in America, (most private schools, too) except probably for the ones that are close to 100% black, are gearing up for an orgy of anti-racism education this fall. Count on it.

    • Replies: @Ed
  137. @Moses

    I, for one, will welcome our new Han overlords.

    Not me.

    Our Jewish overlords–pushing minoritarianism–have been an absolute disaster. Perhaps fatal to America, certainly fatal to the pleasant, prosperous, free America that existed and could have been. An object lesson in why you never, ever never want to be ruled by anyone else. (Much less someone with some long standing grudge.)

    I very much doubt we’ll be getting Han overlords–they lack the skill set. And yes, Han overlords would probably be less toxic–certainly in pushing minoritarianism and holding about blacks as cudgel to beat us with. But who cares?

    We should–by now–have re-learned ancient wisdom and common sense–never allow any overlord at all.

    Let’s try and separate to have a free nation. And build into the foundation an ethic, a principle that we recite as a pledge to our posterity everyday–no overlords. No outgroup, no minority, no foreigners may offer their ideology, nor strive to rule. We will always and eternally rule ourselves.

    • Replies: @Moses
  138. @jon

    In my experience white liberals of this type invariably live in the whitest neighborhood possible.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  139. martin_2 says:
    @Russ

    That’s what I keep banging on about. To wit, it is humiliating to think that one’s ancestors were made into slaves. It is also humiliating to realise that one’s ancestors made no contribution to human progress, and that to this day their “brothers and sisters” are at the bottom of the social heap. Deep down, blacks are ashamed of their history. Hence the nihilistic rage and “burn everything down”.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @MBlanc46
  140. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    Our Jewish overlords–pushing minoritarianism–have been an absolute disaster.

    For goyim, maybe.

    But for we Jews it has been awesome.

    We are 2% of the US population. Yet we control your media. We are 1/3 of your Supreme Court. We told you Hart-Cellar would not change USA demographics, and you believed us.

    We control the vertical. We control the horizontal.

    • Replies: @Anon
  141. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    Looks like they succeeded eventually:

    Gay/Bisexual Black Writers have predicted all this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhalgren

    Samuel R. Delany is profoundly dyslexic and dysmetric. He once spent time in the mental health ward of a hospital. And he has repeatedly spoken and written of seeing burned-out sections of great American cities that most people didn’t see, or even know existed. Dhalgren is a literary exposition of all these experiences for the “normal” reader.

  142. @Patriot

    “It gets worse: Nearly 50% of all murders are comitted by only ~3% of the USA population, Black males between 15 and 35 yrs age.

    This tiny group commits an incredible amount of crime.”

    Worse. The way the data gathering works, any black male with a fraction of hispanic ancestry (or a hispanic name) gets lumped into the ‘white’ category, along with 100% indigenous South Americans.

    There are even some examples of South Asians being classified as ‘white’. The ‘white’ crime stats include a ton of people who are by no stretch of the imagination ‘white’. (Even if you are okay with Arabs and Berbers being ‘white’, there is no way a Tamil should qualify).

  143. @Ron Unz

    The irony is that it was Marx who said that if history repeats a second time it wouldn’t as tragedy but as farce.

  144. @Anon

    “These people are PhD educated…”

    That’s a problem right there! You know…”PhD–“piled high and deep.” LOL

  145. Its actually 0% Black Offenders. The poverty of the Black Murderer pulls the trigger, caused by instotutional / systematic / insert cirrent buzzword here RACISM.

  146. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    Toe Rogaine is a NOTED CUCK who has had NUMEROUS CUCK moments. I like MMA but find his show annoying as hell. I love when he talks boxing, the guy has no idea what he is talking about and anyone that knows boxing can tell this guy is a retard when it comes to the Sweet Science. Toe Rogaine is ANOTHER Alex Jones. He and his crew of retards sit around salivating about how “jacked” another man’s body is ( very gay) or maybe talking about the Illuminati or Jesuits ruling the world. Disinfo or misinfo for “woke” 20 something douchebags.

  147. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    The counter argument to the stat that Blacks commit 52% of the murders that Im seeing a lot on social media is that Blacks also make up 52% of those acquitted for murder charges. So those on the left are saying that all those black men sitting in jail are jing falsely accused. Do you know of these statistics for false accusations? Are they accurate? I don’t know enough to comment, but I thought you might know

    • Replies: @JosephB
    , @anon
  148. Barnard says:
    @anonymous

    I am sure no one clutches her pearls when encountering Jason Riley. If he looks non threatening, he will be perceived that way. They aren’t going to feel comfortable around a white punk who looks like antifa member on meth either. They don’t think appearance and body language should matter in how they are perceived.

  149. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s you that is too stupid to read the very chart Steve posted.

    Blacks had 514 white victims, and 143 hispanic victims.

    Even if every single one of the hispanics were also identified as white, that means 371 NS white victims to 143 hispanic victims of black murder.

    Your sad tale of the very high murder rates for hispanics being driven by blacks is backed by no evidence other than your vague unsourced anecdotes about one small suburb near your house.

    In fact, your beliefs are essentially magical. Hispanics have drastically higher rates of bastardy, imprisonment, high school non-completion, alcohol abuse, and drug abuse than non-hispanic whites. But in your fantasy world, these variables strongly associated with criminality somehow don’t apply to hispanics.

  150. J.Ross says:
    @jon

    The future of law enforcement.

  151. @anon

    Wasn’t it Talking Malibu Stacy, on The Simpsons, that said that?

    • Replies: @Lot
  152. bomag says:
    @anonymous

    “assuming all this is true, how am I supposed to function under this? If black people are this bad, how am I supposed to function in society as a black person?’

    We can certainly craft a society that takes into account differential crime rates.

    Rather telling that he framed it that way, an all-or-nothing approach to politics; no conciliation; if you are on the wrong side, you get only obliteration. Explains quite a bit of what we see from the left.

  153. @Slimer

    This is the most ludicrous science fiction scenario ever proposed on Unz.com.

  154. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The Talented Tenth can be competent and pleasant to be around. Even valuable team members. One does have to be a bit cautious with their friends and their relatives, especially those distant “cousins”, though.

    • Replies: @Anon
  155. @Patriot

    That’s a little disingenuous. Almost all violent crime is committed by 15-35 year old men. Blacks would still be about 13% of that demographic.

  156. Jack D says:
    @Slimer

    It’s projected that by mid-century most of Sub-Saharan Africa, not all of it, will have a living standard comparable to Mexico or Chile

    Projected by whom? Marvel Comics? What little wealth Africa has comes from resource extraction – oil and gold and diamonds, etc. The Chinese would love to use the future billions of Sub-saharans as a source of cheap industrial labor but they are unreliable as workers under non-slavery conditions (although maybe this doesn’t really represent an obstacle to the Chinese?) and regimes are too corrupt to provide reliable infrastructure – the electric grid is down more often than it is up (and when it is up, most people steal the power rather than pay for it so the utilities are underfunded). The Chinese can build factories but what good is the factory if there is no electricity, no road or rail network to bring material in and out, if everything gets stolen? Their only use for the internet seems to be running fraud schemes.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Slimer
  157. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @martin_2

    To wit, it is humiliating to think that one’s ancestors were made into slaves.

    I guess that’s why Jews are so humiliated about that Pharoh – Moses thing?

    Look, go back up almost any geneology and there’s a slave somewhere. We just had a debate about the meaning of the term “Slav”, remember?

    Muh Slabery is a club that some blacks and goodwhites use to bash on normal people, and as an excuse for bad behavior by some black people.

    Essentially you claim that black Americans have low self-esteem. Do you really believe that?

  158. @PiltdownMan

    This is very interesting…any guesses on how this exists?

  159. @Chrisnonymous

    Accurate statistics that the Woke hate and ignore.

  160. @David In TN

    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that imo one of the reasons that Jews typically were liberals was because they were typically affluent and so could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

    Liberals and Normie conservatives love Blacks, love Blacks, love Blacks and the farther away they live the more they love them,

    • Replies: @Anon
  161. JosephB says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t know the stats either, but if blacks are 52% of the convictions, then their also being 52% of those acquitted would make sense if the criminal justice system were colorblind. So it sounds plausible, and means things are working ok.

  162. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Does the black population ever change in size and how long have they been at 13%? What about all the people who don’t identify as black but as African or Nigerian, are they counted as black? Jamaicans etc…
    It just seems that they haven’t changed in size since, I don’t know, has anyone ever known when the size was different? I’ve always seen it at 13 like some magic number.

  163. @Russ

    This is true of pretty much all races in their view of the white man and his civilization. It stems from envy and humiliation over the sheer dominance whites have had in building the modern world and their exploits the past 5 centuries.

    Joe Sobran put it best:

    “The concept of envy — the hatred of the superior — has dropped out of our moral vocabulary. The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea. Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’” 

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  164. @Jack Armstrong

    Trans women are women.

    That statement holds as much water as your cousin Lance’s Tour de France trophies.

  165. @Desiderius

    …working on days to construct and erect a giant black power fist… They were unable to lift the structure up.

    So they couldn’t maintain their erection? Call Bob Dole.

  166. @Chrisnonymous

    There was a good article in National Geographic a few years ago on soil, but it’s hook was discussing the CCP’s forcing of farmers to plant crops in places with totally unsuitable soil conditions. Nice photos of “orchards” consisting entirely of barren, exposed ground.

    In America, those are the whitest sections of the country!

    Or, in Alaska and Arizona, the least black. Remember, the term “Black Belt” referred to the color of the soil. It was incredibly rich.

  167. JMcG says:
    @Russ

    Theres a lot to this. Ive seen a couple of videoconferences this past week which featured black keynote speakers. Both, males, cried during tbeir little speeches. One complained about being wrapped up in brown paper his whole life. It was clear that they both hated being black.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  168. RSDB says:
    @anon

    Different studies reach different conclusions on population testosterone levels: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327897/

    This is a metastudy including the Rohrmann study.

  169. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    I maintain that hostility towards blacks is mostly based on looks, in that people are typically grossed out by nappy hair and african features. It’s like how women say they dislike men for behaving in such and such manner, but then happily sleep with good looking men who behave the same way.

    You’re projecting, Slimer. You are grossed out by black men and you want to be a woman who sleeps with good looking white men. You are free to transition.

  170. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t know about that case. I was in high school in Arkansas 1973-1977 and we were not taught evolution (too controversial). We were taught taxonomy and frog dissection, still a worthwhile class even if it was missing the central theory of biology.
    My younger self would have supported that court ruling since it championed knowledge over ignorance.
    Today I see the problem with it. It championed elite rule over democracy. It championed oligarchy over government by the just consent of the governed.
    You have to make hard choices. Better for Arkansans to limp along without top quality biology education than to forfeit their right to self-determination.
    If the court had not made that ruling Arkansas still today would not allow evolution to be taught in their public schools. That would be a mistake, but at least it would be their mistake, one they could correct if they chose.
    This nasty Epperson lady should have made her case in the court of Arkansas public opinion for getting the law changed. She should have worked through the election process of majority rule, not through the oligarchic process of judicial rule.
    She and people like her don’t have the guts to argue with the farmers, and they don’t have the forbearance to live with electoral defeats as one must in a democracy.

  171. Bert says:
    @Slimer

    with roots in southern U.S. culture

    The only thing blacks adopted from Southern culture was Christianity between 1750-1800. Since 1950 the cultural imperialism has been in the opposite direction, so don’t associate black dysfunction with Southern social norms.

  172. anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:

    In these puzzling times, I just want to remind everyone…

    White people are STILL awesome!!!

    We continue to hold your world together.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    , @Jim Don Bob
  173. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course blacks would be 52% of the acquittals. If they are 52% of people charged with murder, all other things being equal they should be 52% of the convictions and 52% of the acquittals.
    Your friends are making the elementary mistake of thinking they are falsely accused 52% of the time. Not so.
    Put it this way:
    110 real murders. Prosecutors charge the true killer in 100 cases and charge the wrong guy in 10 cases.
    Guilty blacks are convicted in 52 cases and become 52% of the 100 convicted murderers.
    Innocent blacks are found not guilty in 5.2 cases and become 52% of the 10 who are acquitted.
    The system is working and is not racist.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  174. @Chrisnonymous

    Nat Geo, September 2008 for those who are interested…

  175. Lot says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    Malibu Stacey was parodying an actual event.

    A talking Barbie said “Math is hard” as one of several random phrases, creating a controversy that got it cancelled.

  176. Anon[607] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    She agreed with you because you’re wrong, she knows it, and is content to let you be so. You stripped their “Jewishness” from them, and simply allocated Jewish political perfidy to a shared category with non-Jewish liberals. That’s false, and even better for her and other Jews it serves to cover for Judaism. She had no incentive to correct you.

    Jews are liberal largely only in foreign nations, and Jews lead the other liberals. Jews are liberal in foreign nations because their religion dictates that they will destroy all foreign nations so as to be able to rule over the World. I’m unsure if your friend knows this theology in its entirety, but I guarantee that she knows enough of it.

  177. Anon[459] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The Talented Tenth can be competent and pleasant to be around. Even valuable team members. One does have to be a bit cautious with their friends and their relatives, especially those distant “cousins”, though.

    Who are they? Those in professional positions? Except for mulattoes, my experience has been almost entirely negative. It takes everyone else’s full effort to apologize for their lack of professionalism.

    I’m not saying that competent people don’t exist, but Affirmative Action pretty much assures that enough of the others aren’t filtered out to get to them in most circumstances.

  178. J1234 says:

    FBI Data: Blacks, Who Are Only 13.4% of the Population, Were 54.9% of Known Murder Offenders in 2018

    To those who control thought in our country, these statistics only prove one thing: Steve Sailer is racist. I have to admit, however, I never used to hear these sorts of stats discussed in Fox segments, Ann Coulter’s presentations, Michelle Malkin’s columns or Rush Limbaugh’s show five years ago or more. I do now, though, and more than infrequently. A victory for Sailer, VDARE and James Edwards? I think so, though the left deserves a good deal of the credit, too. When everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is called a “fascist,”” regardless of what they say, what’s the point of keeping up the facade or ignoring the truth?

  179. MBlanc46 says:
    @Patriot

    Even Jesse Jackson gets nervous when he sees a black male closing on him.

  180. MBlanc46 says:
    @martin_2

    Your ancestors were made into slaves by others of your ancestors.

  181. Ed says:
    @Ganderson

    There’s probably a market for private schools that don’t take diversity admits on scholarships, that teach in a traditional WASP fashion. I suppose the issue for such a school would be getting into the diversity obsessed Ivies but it’d be worth a try.

  182. @anonymous

    Come on!!!! You know blacks build those jets . They tell us every day that they have built America. I’m constantly puzzled by that. If they have built America what the fuck happened in Africa.

  183. nebulafox says:
    @Anon

    >It would be more accurate to say that Christianity is an answer to Judaism, necessarily using its milieu to answer.

    But the rebellions and the subsequent restructuring of Judaism hadn’t happened yet in Christ’s day. Tribal Palestinian Judaism was still in full effect. There were Hellenized Jews out there in the wider empire which helps explain Christianity’s future course, but they wouldn’t have been the ones that Jesus himself interacted in the boonies of Galilee.

    >But this inversion of results is specifically why Jews reserve a special hate for Christians. Christianity is impregnated with a number of “counter magic” rituals to Jewish Black magic rituals such as the Passover observance whose purpose is to ritualize the murder of non-Jews (and specifically the murder of their children).

    That’s way too overly complicated. Most American Jews subscribe to modern day leftist bien-pensant ideology, and today’s leftists really don’t like traditional American white culture, which includes Christianity. I doubt many of them have even bothered to think about it deeply.

    That’s not necessarily the case throughout all societies: nominal conversion to Christianity happened all the time in the antebellum German speaking world as much as Jews had formed a parallel society in Russia and Poland. And looking at today, most Israelis have nothing against Christians at all… unless they are the local Palestinians. Shhhh, don’t tell the GOP! 🙂

    (Interestingly, assimilation *really* took off in the 70s and 80s in the Soviet Union. Israel’s now has more Russian speakers than anywhere outside the former USSR.)

    >It’s difficult to make the “gone” argument when those Jewish martial overtones were simply transplanted into Arab populations via Islam.

    The original “Believer” movement was probably as much influenced by the kind of heterodox aesthetic Eastern Christianity normative in the Roman East as it was by Judaism. This is something that Muslim orthodoxy is keen to downplay for pretty obvious reasons-the Prophet can’t have been a copier!-but it’s pretty apparent. Just listen to some Greek Orthodox hymns even today: and that’s the Chalcedonian variant that would have thought of the Christians out in the desert as heretics.

    And Islam as we’ve come to know it was massively impacted by Zoroastrianism as the caliphates developed. A lot of the stuff about ritual purity we associate with Islam was lifted from Zoroastrianism. Put another way, just as Greece conquered its rude Latin conqueror, the Persians did the same to the Arabs in the centuries following the conquests.

    People in 7th Century Arabia didn’t think about religion in the same way we’re familiar with it today: the lines were a lot blurrier in a place with near nonexistent literacy. Many of Muhammad’s initial followers would have simultaneously identified as Jews or “acceptable” sects of Eastern Christians. That’s part of why Arabization and Islamization were possible: the Arabs weren’t like the Mongols appearing with their primitive, alien shamanistic traditions centuries later, ripe to be absorbed by the conquered’s traditions. They were a familiar sight from the same Abrahamic religious millieu as the local Romans in Palestine, Syria and Egypt. The distinction of Islam as a completely, totally separate religion would be around 700 AD with the caliph Abd al-Malik, and it would take the next century to fully gel.

    • Replies: @Anon
  184. Slimer says:
    @Jack D

    Lmao. Looks like my comment struck a nerve or two. Or eight.

    It’s funny how white folks claim to want separation from blacks when it’s obvious that you all are deeply disturbed by the mere thought of not having them around, like the abusive husband who tells his battered wife that she’ll never make it without him. It’s all part of a sick, twisted belief system inherited from a centuries long legacy of brutalizing and dehumanizing black people for the sole purpose of lifting up whites. Nothing lasts forever though, as much as it pains you to hear it.

    China’s economic ties with Africa are played up by the U.S. and Chinese governments for political reasons, thus causing some gullible idiots to propagate a narrative of “neo colonialism.” No doubt this is largely just white people projecting their feelings onto other races, as they figure that if whites hate blacks enough to enslave them, then surely the Chinese must feel the same way. In reality, both countries invest about equally into Africa, the main difference being that America invests mostly in extractive industries like oil & gas and mining, while China invests across the board. Everything from banking to agriculture to logistics. That’s why you don’t see Asians or any other race except whites building websites devoted to making fun of black people. The whole black obsession is really a white thing and you need to own it.

    Africa’s future lies in industries like commercial farming, agro processing, horticulture and software development, not light manufacturing, although that too will play a (small) role. Sorry, but that’s the consensus in most business and academic circles.

    The rating agency Standard and Poor’s lists markets with the most favourable investment climate. The section Frontier Emerging Markets (37 countries in total) includes 8 SSA countries, namely Botswana, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Kenya, Mauritius, Namibia, Nigeria and Zimbabwe.

    Some experts expect the average GDP growth rate in SSA to level off at 5-7% in the coming decade (from 2020 onwards). Western think tanks (EY, RAND, FUTURES, just to name a few) forecast that if the current economic and demographic macro-trends remain in place by 2050, the African economy will stand every chance of soaring from $2 trillion to $29 trillion to overtake the U.S. and Europe combined.

    Dmitriev, R.V. African Studies in Russia: Works of the Institute for African Studies of the Russian Academy of Science, page 7.

    And don’t bother to reply to me because I’m not going to read it. In the spirit of the times I’m working with some friends on getting this silly site shut down.

    • Replies: @Anon
  185. Slimer says:

    Do your research goofy. China’s not the only place investing in and trading with Africa.

    Some VC firms are more active than others, but Japanese company Kepple Africa Ventures is setting all kinds of records having so far invested in more than 50 African tech startups – with 20 of those deals done in 2020 alone.

    https://disrupt-africa.com/2020/05/this-japanese-vc-has-invested-in-20-early-stage-african-tech-startups-so-far-this-year/

    The UK’s development finance institution and impact investor, CDC Group, has signed a partnership agreement with Rwanda Finance to support the development of a new international financial capital for Africa.

    https://www.esi-africa.com/industry-sectors/business-and-markets/kifc-affirms-rwandas-position-on-becoming-africas-financial-hub/

    Ghanaian startup mPharma, which manages prescription drug inventory for pharmacies and their suppliers, has raised $17 million in its latest funding round and announced the appointment to its board of Helena Foulkes, former president of CVS, the largest pharmacy retail chain in the United States.

    The Accra-based company, founded by chief executive Greg Rockson seven years ago, has received the funding from CDC Group, the UK’s development finance arm, alongside several of its previous investors including Dr. Daniel Vasella, ex-chief executive of Novartis, Silicon Valley investor Jim Breyer and Dompe Holdings, the family office of the Italian pharmaceutical giant.

    https://qz.com/africa/1860227/ghanas-mpharma-raises-17m-appoints-ex-cvs-boss-to-board/

    Senegal partners with UK lab to develop a hand-held coronavirus test kit

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/africa/senegal-uk-coronavirus-rapid-test-kit/index.html

    Africa’s international trade is largely seen through the U.S.-China prism, a binary choice between one economic partner or the other. But as the West steps back from its strategic relationships in the continent, and as African countries grow weary of the debt potential of China’s controversial Belt and Road Initiative, several countries in central and southern Africa are finding a new partner in the unlikeliest of places: Belarus.

    https://intpolicydigest.org/2020/05/23/in-africa-belarus-steps-up-while-west-retreats/

    Blacks can’t do STEM lol

    Minister Gatete observed that there are already 50 Rwandans who are pursuing masters and first degrees in nuclear science and technology in Russia, adding that Rwanda plans to have more students in that filed.

    “We are planning to send 20 more students [to Russia]. But, we also need others to go to study to America, Europe, Asia so that we have a team of a variety of skills,” he observed.”

    https://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/use-nuclear-technology-gets-green-light-rwanda

  186. @JMcG

    It was clear that they both hated being black.

    I am glad I’m not black. It doesn’t look like it’s easy. Even if you are in the talented tenth, it has to occur to you that you are just a liberal pet. But maybe it’s easier if you are not introspective, and just go the We wuz Kangz route.

  187. @anonymous

    I got an email from AMC saying that most of their theaters will re-open July 15th, so I can go watch mindless junk like Top Gun instead of statue toppling.

  188. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer

    In the spirit of what times? Because Blacks don’t read, you have no idea where you are at this moment.

    But feel free to muh dik it all you want. We’re used to watching monkeyshines. We’ll look forward to seeing what your friends can do to “shut down” a “silly” website that obviously pains you to go to the (fake) trouble.

    Question:

    Given the predicted population explosion in Africa in our lifetimes, how many billions of Africans do you think your “friends” will continue to tolerate before they genocide most of you in one fell swoop that you won’t see coming?

  189. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Good point about the CDC data being victims not offenders. Isn’t it interesting to observe how the CDC is able to break whites/blacks/Hispanics into three disjoint categories for murder victims while the FBI is utterly unable to do the same for murder offenders?

    I am interested in what both you and Lot think of this back of the envelope calculation I just did which indicates that Hispanics are arrested for murder at 2.3x the rate of whites.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/indefinite-flight-delays/#comment-3980548

    Actually, that comment is rather on topic here, so let’s include the bottom line.

    let’s add the Hispanic arrests as a separate category and subtract their contribution from the W/B totals assuming a 16.1/2.7% distribution (probably understates the black proportion as I said). I will also include the population proportion and the ratio of the two numbers (representation).

    Group | Arrest% | Population% | Representation
    White | 28.0 | 60.6 | 0.46
    Black or African American | 50.6 | 12.3 | 4.11
    Hispanic | 18.8 | 18.1 | 1.04
    American Indian or Alaska Native | 1.2 | 0.7 | 1.71
    Asian | 1.0 | 5.5 | 0.18
    Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander | 0.2 | 0.2 | 1.0

    So looking at the ratios of the representations we see that blacks are arrested for murder at 8.9x the rate for whites. Hispanics are arrested for murder at 2.3x the rate for whites. American Indians or Alaska Natives are arrested at 3.7x the rate of whites. Asians are arrested at 0.39x the rate of whites. The Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander numbers are small enough that possible rounding error is a big problem so I won’t even make an estimate.

    The raw B/W disparity is (53.3 / 13.4) / (44.1 / 76.5) = 6.9x
    So making Hispanics a separate group increases the B/W disparity about 30%.

    • Replies: @res
  190. res says:
    @res

    I just realized it would be much better to do that analysis with the FBI UCR Expanded Homicide Data Table 3 which Steve referenced rather than Table 43 which I used. I will try to create a spreadsheet version of my earlier analysis building on that data instead when I have time later today. Putting it in a spreadsheet will also allow adding the W/B balance of Hispanic murder offenders as a variable to see how that affects the analysis.

    Anyone have any suggestions for other things to look at? I’m thinking about doing some further age analysis. Some ideas.
    – Add age/race population data. It might be hard to get the right age buckets by race though.
    – Quantify the most murderous groups (e.g. blacks aged 17-29 account for about 30% of murder offenders with known age and race).

    The big problem I see is footnote 1: “Not all agencies provide ethnicity data; therefore, the race and ethnicity totals will not equal.” But since the known Hispanic percentage of 20.7% is reasonably close to the population proportion of 18.1% and Table 43 murder arrests proportion of 18.8% I think it reasonable to assume the unknown proportion is the same. Should probably make that a settable variable.

    I wish that table had data on victim demographics for the unknowns. That would allow estimating offender demographics by assuming the racial demographics are the same as for the knowns given the victim race.

    It is discouraging to think how a much better analysis would be possible with the raw data.

  191. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    But the rebellions and the subsequent restructuring of Judaism hadn’t happened yet in Christ’s day. Tribal Palestinian Judaism was still in full effect. There were Hellenized Jews out there in the wider empire which helps explain Christianity’s future course, but they wouldn’t have been the ones that Jesus himself interacted in the boonies of Galilee.

    I’m unsure what your point is, even after rereading your prior post. Toward that end, you might consider restating your full context.

    Tribal “Palestinian” Judaism is still in full effect. If you require a full buy in to the fact that Judaism is fully “Hellenized” then you are going to need to state your proofs so that this point can be examined. I don’t accept demands to assume premises in arguments, as foundations for subsequent arguments, in general.

    That’s way too overly complicated. Most American Jews subscribe to modern day leftist bien-pensant ideology, and today’s leftists really don’t like traditional American white culture, which includes Christianity. I doubt many of them have even bothered to think about it deeply.

    “Too complicated” in what manner? This is a religion that is predicated on a 63 tractate commentary on a highly esoteric book of myths that comprises 80% of the Bible. In addition, there are other multi-volume esoteric texts that are central to the religion. Stating that my distillation of their beliefs is “overly complicated” reeks of an effort to frame Judaism as something that it isn’t.

    You certainly won’t get buy in for the rather tired Jewish trope that Judaism is some casual belief system that can’t possibly be guilty of anything because Jews and Judaism are simple. History and knowledge of the religion fully refutes these claims.

    Moreover, it absolutely doesn’t matter what the average Jew knows or doesn’t know. Though, I think that you are understating the knowledge of the average Jew. What matters is what the Jewish hierarchy knows, from which average Jews take their general sociopolitical direction.

    What makes you think that modern liberalism and its Christian hate isn’t a product of Jewish political direction over centuries? The Jewish books certainly provide the motivation, and media ownership provides the means.

    Either you are a Jew, lazily running interference, or you are a lazy thinker who wants to “get along” with your enemies and wants others to do the same. And toward that end are willing to provide nonsense excuses for them. No thank you.

    That’s not necessarily the case throughout all societies: nominal conversion to Christianity happened all the time in the antebellum German speaking world as much as Jews had formed a parallel society in Russia and Poland. And looking at today, most Israelis have nothing against Christians at all… unless they are the local Palestinians. Shhhh, don’t tell the GOP!

    You’re writing and thinking is stupid, and either you are a Jew running bad propaganda or you have no idea what you are talking about and as such your opinions on the issue are worthless.

    Jewish power, directed by Jewish Orthodoxy as the keepers of the Jewish religion, will one day demand that all non-Jews leave Israel except for some slaves. Because this is the Jewish edict in their texts. There are plenty of Orthodox Jews arguing for this now.

    I know both theologies inside and out. Maybe I even know that the end game serves me but dislike Jews anyway, because the vast majority believe that it doesn’t and expect a different final result than what will occur. Assuming that they know their religion to an even moderate degree, mass murder is what they will accept for that result.

    You aren’t going to convince anyone that Jews “have nothing against” Christians, based, on what, your assertions? We have the Jewish books and centuries of history that contradict your claim. You know what, though? They don’t have to like us as long as they don’t demand that we tolerate them.

    And Islam as we’ve come to know it was massively impacted by Zoroastrianism as the caliphates developed. A lot of the stuff about ritual purity we associate with Islam was lifted from Zoroastrianism. Put another way, just as Greece conquered its rude Latin conqueror, the Persians did the same to the Arabs in the centuries following the conquests.

    The “ritual purity” of Islam is of its Jewish root, liar. Whether or not Jews lifted it from Zoraostrianism is another discussion.

    Sunni Islam is normative, militant, dumbed down Judaism. Shi’ite Islam has Aryan religious influence, which was unavoidable given the Turkish attempt to steal Persian identity, but they also try to contain it within the Sufi sect, at the least. I’m sure much bleeds out.

  192. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    For goyim, maybe.

    But for we Jews it has been awesome.

    We are 2% of the US population. Yet we control your media. We are 1/3 of your Supreme Court. We told you Hart-Cellar would not change USA demographics, and you believed us.

    We control the vertical. We control the horizontal.

    True.

    (btw, thanks for the tacit admission that the Nazis were correct).

    To be fair, we didn’t believe you.

    Your media simply did what it does and manufactured consent. Politicians were bought-off, strong-armed, or had God tier security clearance.

    But nothing lasts forever. As all religious Jews know.

    When this ends, what is your estimation on the number of your generations that will suffer, more than the rest, to again reach this period?

    Assuming, that is, that the next iteration of “Jews” are related to you at all. Which is a large assumption.

    In other words, how many generations occur in 6,000 years?

    • Replies: @Moses
  193. @anon

    The typical leftist is too stupid to continue a train of thought–If 52 % of black suspects are acquitted, where is the “racist” justice system?

  194. @Anon

    I wrote “one of the reasons” and there are different reasons for different people.

    She converted to Judaism to marry a Jewish man. He died, she remarried a Christian and they honeymooned in Europe. She showed me pictures of the cities they visited and after one city after another, she commented “Jews were persecuted there.” I thought, “they really did a job on you.”

  195. Moses says:
    @Anon

    When this ends, what is your estimation on the number of your generations that will suffer, more than the rest, to again reach this period?

    You don’t understand, friend.

    Repeat behavior that alienates us from the host population and leads to persecution of our people is a feature, not a bug.

    We Jews need persecution to maintain our exceptionally strong in-group / out-group barriers and identity. Persecution is like mother’s milk to us.

    How else do you think Jews have survived as a distinct group for 5,000 years when every other group from that time has perished from the earth?

  196. @Slimer

    “With most African countries transitioning from low to middle income…”

    Source?

  197. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s no need to ‘persecute’ Jews. Just do what Putin did in Russia: take away their money and bar them from the media. Leave Jewish dentists and schoolteachers alone.

  198. Dissident says:
    @Anon

    Jews are liberal in foreign nations because their religion dictates that they will destroy all foreign nations so as to be able to rule over the World.

    Reality:
    1.) There is an inverse correlation between liberalism and religiosity in Jews. The more religious a Jew is, the less liberal he is likely to be; the more liberal, the less religious. Orthodox Jews are among the least liberal demographics.

    2.) You have distorted what authentic Judaism teaches concerning the Messianic era. At that future time, which can only be brought about through supernatural, divine intervention,

    [MORE]
    all nations of the world will recognize the G-d of Israel* as the One True L-ord, and will seek to join or at least serve the Jewish People (who, at that time, will themselves be completely united in serving G-d).

    Now, it is true that one can find within the canon of Judaism a number of passages that prophesy great violence and a harsh final judgement that will culminate in a vanquishing of all of the wicked from the Earth before the everlasting peace that will ultimately prevail. But it will by no means be only non-Jews upon whom such divine wrath and retribution will be visited but many Jews as well. (At least one great rabbi has said that (even) for many observant Jews, the sound of the great shofar (ram’s horn) that will herald the long-awaited arrival of the Messiah will be not one of joy so much as one of dread.) At any rate, if one does not believe in these prophecies and ideals, he should have no reason to feel threatened by them.

    Until the arrival of the Moshiakh, Jews must live scattered throughout the world, as loyal citizens of our host nations.

    *Israel is used here in its true, original sense; not to be confused with the Zionist usurpers of that holy name and their secular State that was established in violation of Judaism.

    I’m unsure if your friend knows this theology in its entirety, but I guarantee that she knows enough of it.

    Reality:
    Most non-Orthodox Jews today know very little about Judaism at all.

    Ris_Eruwaedhiel, in replying-to Anon[607], wrote (about the woman he had cited):

    She converted to Judaism to marry a Jewish man.

    Any competent, authentic rabbi would be highly alert to such an obviously ulterior motive on the part of a prospective convert. The scourge of insincere or less-than-wholehearted conversion for the expediency of marriage has forced some communities to go so far as adopting a rule of no longer accepting any converts.

    She showed me pictures of the cities they visited and after one city after another, she commented “Jews were persecuted there.” I thought, “they really did a job on you.”

    On a scale of 0-to-10, with 0 being no Jews were persecuted in any of the places-in-question, and 10 being the narrative-in-question as conveyed by the cited individual is 100% accurate and fair, where would you place yourself? Obviously, you are not at 10, or even 9 or 8. And probably not even 7 or 6. But how close to position 0 are you?

  199. So, blacks in 2018 were 7.9 times more likely per capita to be murder offenders than the rest of the population.

    As long as they are mostly killing each other I’m willing to look the other way.

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