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The FBI has released its national crime stats for 2019. The murder rate was down 0.2%.

While blacks made up 52.5% of known murder offenders from 1980-2008, their percentage continues to inch upwards, reaching 55.9% in 2019:

2019 Murder Offenders Total Known Black
or African
American
NonBlack Unknown
Total 16,245 11,493 6,425 5,068 4,752
% of Known Offenders 100.0% 55.9% 44.1%
% of Population 13.4% 86.6%
Black / Nonblack Ratio 8.2

That means blacks were 8.2 times per capita as likely as a nonblack to be a known murder offender in 2019. (Due to continuing problems with how government agencies collect crime statistics, I’ve given up on figuring out rates for normal categories like non-Hispanic whites. But the big story with murders is blacks, so blacks vs. nonblacks will do.)

In the Black Lives Matter era, murder is becoming a black problem as it slowly fades out for the rest of the populace.

My opinion is that this incredible disparity in murder rates offers us a clue to the question wracking America in 2020: why do the police hassle black men so much?

But nobody else ever mentions that blacks, at 13.4% of the population, make up now well over 50% of murder offenders. (In contrast, blacks wind up between 1/4th and 1/3rd of police killings.) So I guess the answer must be invisible Systemic Racism or something.

If you don’t believe my calculations, here’s a screenshot:

 
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  1. 55.9% of murderers wear blackface is the problem!

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Jack D
  2. MEH 0910 says:

  3. 56% of murders by blacks, but only 27% of police shootings are black.

    • Replies: @V. Hickel
  4. Everyone knows about Black criminality. Liberals are fully aware.

    Conservatives were fully aware of it when they joined liberals to push desegregation against the wishes of local populations. Knowledge of these facts, as such, has nothing to do with what happens in politics.

    It will only be addressed when enough Whites (mostly working class) get a hammer to hold over those who betray them.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    , @guest
    , @Art Deco
    , @anon
    , @anon
  5. Don’t forget the 4752 committed by murderers of unknown race. I’ll venture that Blacks are even more overrepresented there, thanks to the snitches-get-stitches ethos, and the relative incompetence of police in the Blacker jurisdictions.

  6. @International Jew

    They should be 55.9% of that unknown figure of 4752. I believe that is correct.

    Perhaps Steve can comment on that.

  7. yanouz says:

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Isn’t it saner to assume that all of those murders were committed by rampaging white cops who wanted to kill inconvenient black activists, perhaps while wearing custom-made rubber masks to disguise themselves as POC?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @anon
    , @throtler
  8. Jtgw says:
    @International Jew

    Someone once seriously suggested to me that statistics on offenders by race prove nothing because of all the unknown offenders. If there was remote possibility all the unknowns were white don’t you think media would run with that angle?

    • Agree: Charon, polistra
    • Replies: @Charon
    , @JosephB
    , @Wilkey
  9. tyrone says:
    @yanouz

    Intriguing …..how does one join this cabal?

  10. Bucky says:
    @RichardTaylor

    This is not true.

    I’ve had conversations with a working journalist and she did not know this.

    She was very BLM. The fanaticism around the matter is in large part because they don’t know the statistics and so they imagine that the pure innocents blacks are being harmed by rampaging racist cops.

    Also, those circles do not read right wing anything. They are in a literal actual news silo. They actually read buzzfeed and other stupid left wing outlets

  11. Charon says:
    @Jtgw

    Not to mention that unsolved crimes largely fall into the “snitches get stitches” category which is even more skewed.

    Speaking of skewed, the 13% population cohort is very misleading. It’s actually males of certain ages which puts the percentage under 5%.

    • Agree: polistra
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @jtgw
  12. JosephB says:
    @Jtgw

    I think the stronger argument is the intraracial aspect of murders: most murders happen between people of the same race. There just aren’t enough white corpses to argue that most of the unknowns are white. Of course, one can speculate that there is a wide-ranging conspiracy across decades and districts in the US for police to figure out ahead of time which murders were whites killing blacks, and then carefully ignore those. Kudos to the police for the fieldcraft to avoid any of their messages on this point to be picked up by or be leaked to the press.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  13. guest says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Is this a MCT ( “mainstream conspiracy theory” )? I remember it taking off, but don’t think it stuck the landing.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  14. Dr. X says:

    Blacks Made Up 55.9% of Known Murder Offenders in 2019

    But… but… but… my government told me that white supremacists were our greatest threat!!!

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/white-supremacy-dhs-draft-assessment/index.html

  15. guest says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “Everyone knows”

    Which begs the question: why does the FBI collect these hate statistics? Other countries don’t. Is the FBI full of white supreeemists?

  16. guest says:
    @International Jew

    Actually no. Those murders are committed by Mer-people, who get away by escaping through canals to the sea.

  17. @Charon

    But the same could be said for nonblacks: it’s only males in a certain age range.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @polistra
  18. @International Jew

    Snitches get stitches, and rioters get COVID-19.

  19. AndrewR says:
    @MEH 0910

    Does “Dr” Kendi have an IQ above 95? Calling him a midwit would seem to be high praise. He makes TNC seem bright in comparison.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
  20. Jake says:
    @MEH 0910

    By definition, the Numinous Negro has no need whatsoever of being uplifted, much less restrained. The Numinous Negro beings spiritual and cultural enlightenment and is hated by Whitey for that reason.

    We must save the uniquely precious Numinous Negro by quarantining him away from the vast majority of whites.

  21. AndrewR says:
    @Bucky

    Perhaps it’s better to say there are many bright, powerful people who know these facts but pretend not to because they’re sociopaths, and their feigned ignorance is a political weapon.

    I don’t think there are many true believers among the highest echelons. Your journalist friend is certainly an Outer Party member.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @bucky
    , @polistra
  22. @Neo-Socratic

    You are correct, the 55.9% figure is for the cohort of murderers where the race of the offender is known.

    I have yet to check out the 2019 statistics in more detail, but in 2018, the story was similar, 55% of murderers were black when the race was known and when you include the “unknown race” cohort, 39% of murderers were black.

    Even if you attributed all the “unknown race” offenders to Whites, blacks would still be over-represented in murder and Whites under-represented.

  23. @guest

    The Law of 13/50 seems to hold true in London as well.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
    , @prosa123
  24. @AndrewR

    Among hyper-elites I’m sure Bloomberg knows the score, but how many others?

  25. Pericles says:
    @International Jew

    Use the known offenders to compute (race of killer given race of victim), then apply these percentages to the known victims with unknown offenders. Should yield a reasonable estimate.

  26. bomag says:
    @Neo-Socratic

    They should be 55.9% of that unknown figure of 4752.

    That assumes an equivalent crime clearance; racial makeup; and reporting criteria across cohorts.

    Just the difference in unknowns between race and sex is telling.

    • Agree: polistra
  27. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Hillary and Kamala for sure. It’s very tempting to say “everyone.” Even the remarkably black supremacist Jesse Jackson admitted that he greatly prefers to be followed by a random white guy at night than a random black one.

  28. @Steve Sailer

    The sharp drop in criminality at age 25 (maturation of the frontal lobes, probably) is present in both blacks and whites (and at the same age – !) but black geezers are still more violent than White yoof.

  29. unit472 says:
    @International Jew

    The clearance rate of murders is much lower in black neighborhoods for a number reasons. Fear of testifying, the senselessness of the killings and the low priority police put on ‘misdemeanor homicide’, i.e. a thug being shot dead on a sidewalk at 3:00 AM by another thug or an errant bullet killing someone sitting at home watching TV. Thus the race of the 4752 unknown killers is likely to be even blacker than the cases where the race of the killer is known.

    We could be looking at a situation where 3/4’s of all killers are black.

  30. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    why does the FBI collect these hate statistics?

    They won’t for long. Mug shots and even perp names are less and less frequently released by cops in progressive jurisdictions. University-wide crime alerts often the omit race of suspects.

    • Replies: @prime noticer
  31. bucky says:
    @AndrewR

    She definitely was a marginal and struggling voice who was young.

    I mean, you have to be someone who peeks out of the news silo and I’ve found that most east coast liberals just don’t want to be bothered.

    They’re like company men.

  32. polistra says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Change the “But” to “And” — there’s no conflict or contradiction.

    It’s a small proportion of every race committing the crime.

  33. Dan Smith says:

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah systemic racism. You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
  34. polistra says:
    @AndrewR

    They really don’t know. In the rare instance where they are on the verge of encountering unsafe information, crimestop intervenes like a 30-ampere shock.

    • LOL: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
  35. rebunga says:

    1. What about some murders having multiple perpetrators?

    2. What about some single murderers having multiple victims?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  36. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems the weasel word here is “known. Majority of homicides in Chicago are unresolved so there’s many unknown offenders out there. Black, of course, but not known so who knows how this slants the statistics. Homicide amongst whites is usually perpetrated by mental cases with the occasional domestic case. With blacks it’s a normal thing, gangbangers and anger outbursts which come from blacks who are not considered mentally abnormal. Yes, it’s a black thang isn’t it?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Anonymous
  37. Arclight says:

    Had a conversation about crime rates with some conservative friends this weekend and they were completely unaware about the extreme disparities in offender rates across all classes of crime, even at the upper income levels. One of them (who is a scientist) commented that it would seem to indicate a genetic component, but they were clearly uncomfortable with what was being discussed and were casting about for class/social reasons to explain the disparity.

    If that’s the reaction from normie middle of the road conservatives, it’s going to be quite some time before any meaningful percentage of left leaning people are able to admit the truth.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  38. @rebunga

    Right. There could be racial differences in those.

  39. @Steve Sailer

    Biden knew through the 90s, something his now running mate attacked him on in the primary debates.

  40. V. Hickel says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    my ? is, what % of the shootings OF police are committed by Blaqs?

  41. It’s the unknown unknowns that will kill you.

  42. @anonymous

    Last I heard the clearance rate in Chicago was 13% and falling.
    Those white supremicisses are really having at it 😀

  43. Art Deco says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Conservatives were fully aware of it when they joined liberals to push desegregation against the wishes of local populations. Knowledge of these facts, as such, has nothing to do with what happens in politics.

    Deconcentration of the black population has no observable ill effects. See greater Detroit, where the homicide rate outside of the Detroit municipality has been around 2.4 per 100,000 in spite of a large suburban black population (who form a majority in one important municipality). The troublesome areas of any metropolitan settlement are places with large concentrations of lightly policed lumpenproletarians. Blacks as often as not do no live in those sections of town, and the share of non-blacks in metropolitan commuter belts who live there is in the low single digits. You can argue for freedom of contract in real estate. Keep in mind when you’re whining about ‘desegregation’ that a feature of the ancien regime between 1910 and 1948 was court enforcement of restrictive covenants on real estate, which transferred rights from you to some long-gone real-estate developer.

  44. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Among hyper-elites I’m sure Bloomberg knows the score, but how many others?

    Michael Bloomberg on (black) urban crime:

  45. jtgw says:
    @Charon

    True that most black murderers are young men and black young men are only 5% of total population but to compare that group with other races you have to compare them to men of same age. What percentage of young men are black? Is it same as proportion of general population?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. jtgw says:
    @JosephB

    Exactly. Also look at demographics of jurisdictions with the most murders and lowest clearance rates. Cannot convince me that that over half unsolved murders in Baltimore committed by whites – though I’ve come across low IQ black activists arguing just that.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  47. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Early Protestants were appalled at the indolence of the African and reacted in a messianic way to both punish and save them. God didnt want you lazing around, and your only hope was to be put at productive work to save your soul.

    Real work, not grifting in the diversity racket mills like Kedzie.

  48. anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Everyone knows about Black criminality. Liberals are fully aware.

    20-something white women with some kind of college degrees don’t. Not on average, anyway. They are among the most fanatical of supporters of Only Black Lives Matter. Look at their Instas and Snaps, see what they pass on to their grandmas via FakeBook and Twatter. They aren’t lying, they are just blindly repeating the lies they have been fed by every media and nonmedia source surrounding them. They’re inside a bubble, a pretty big bubble.

    There is a substantial cohort of women in the US who believe in the 12-year-old-child-Trayvon-was murdered lie, the Michael-Brown-hands-up-don’t-shoot lie, the cops-hassle-black-men-because-raycism lie. Some of them can watch the vid from Kenosha including “STOP-STOP-STOP” and insist that the cops were just meanies who wanted to shoot a helpless black man in the back. In other words, they’ll believe the women tribe’s claims while actually refusing to believe their lying eyes.

    A whole lot of people in general, and perhaps a majority of US women are basically innumerate, too, so numbers such as “13%” and “59%” don’t have any real meaning to them. There are some pretty big bubbles out there with very durable coatings. One doesn’t just pop such a bubble easily.

    tl;dr
    No, “everyone” doesn’t know this, and some have to learn the hard way, unfortunately.

  49. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The scariest part of that is there are very likely some bangers with victim totals above 10 or so if you look at probabilities.

    Multiple serial killers roving the city at any one time.

    To be fair to the thugs, they are not typically looking to murder tourists and old ladies with purses, rather executing rivals over money, territory, tribalism. In Chicago that is not all that different except in scale than the old days of the mob, prohibition etc.

  50. anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @yanouz

    I want to know where the custom rubber mask factory is. Did that get outsourced to China too? If so why can’t I ever find it on alibaba?

    “Best Negro rubber mask to be sell to you!” is an entry that never comes up. Why?

  51. Maybe part of the explanation for this disparity could be excessive but misplaced civic-mindedness on the part of our Black citizens, who in the New York versus Chicago murder-count competition strive to support their home-town team.

  52. FBI Crime Stats Day is practically a national holiday, like when Street & Smith’s Baseball Preview would hit the stands each pre-internet March. Maybe it’s time for a crime-driven fantasy league, with Steve, Bill James and USA Today providing reams of preview analysis.

  53. @Arclight

    They may not admit the truth, but look at where libs want to live, especially once they have kids. Revealed preferences, as the economists like to call it. Diversity is for Sesame Street, not their street.

    • Agree: JosephB
    • Replies: @David In TN
  54. JosephB says:
    @Bucky

    This is not true.

    I’ve had conversations with a working journalist and she did not know this.

    Maybe. I suspect few are aware there is no disparate impact on police shootings once you account for violent crime rate. However, at a gut level, I think most whites are aware there is a difference in criminality. The low rate at which white liberals are willing to live an a “vibrant” neighborhood is evidence on that point. Of those who live there, most make use of private, charter, or home schooling.

  55. Jmaie says:

    Slightly off topic, just heard the acronym PTSD defined as Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder.

    • LOL: usNthem
    • Replies: @CCZ
  56. gneisenau says:

    In 2015, Canada for the first time, in response to concern over the issue of missing and murdered aboriginal women, released statistics on homicide related to the native population. That report stated “Of the 431 people accused of homicide in 2014 one third were aboriginal… Aboriginal people were accused of homicide at a rate 10 times higher than that of non-Aboriginal people” (Juristat; Homicide in Canada 2014 page 3). The report for 2015 indicated the same ratio.

  57. Ian Smith says:
    @MEH 0910

    It’s funny how black people like to cultivate this air of being physically intimidating and liable to chimp out at any moment, and then get indignant when white people behave rationally by avoiding them as much as possible.

  58. Jack D says:
    @Redneck farmer

    It’s 55.9% of KNOWN murder offenders. I would venture to guess that (putting aside the blackface theory) that in the case of UNknown murderers, the % is significantly higher than 56%. You can (more or less) infer the race of the criminal from the race of the victim, especially in case of black victims – (non-Hispanic) white on black murder is vanishingly rare. A high % of uncleared homicide cases take place in black ghettos where snitches get stitches and the police don’t really try that hard to solve murders involving young black males – they figure it’s just some drug or gang dispute and the perp will himself show up at the morgue at some not to distant point in the future. Even if they try, nobody saw nuthin’.

    In the suburbs, when there is a rare homicide ( my suburban county directly adjacent to Philadelphia has a homicide rate that is less than 10% of the per capita rate in Philadelphia – around 1 per month rather than 1 per day) they tend to be family disputes and the clearance rate is much higher – the detectives have lots of time to work on each case, but most of the time the inquiry starts and stops with the husband.

    • Replies: @res
  59. Lurker says:
    @Bucky

    I think a lot of it is unrelated to news. They get their opinions from watching Law and Order and CSI franchises and all the other stuff where they will see few, if any, black criminals depicted.

    • Replies: @bucky
  60. @jtgw

    Also look at demographics of jurisdictions with the most murders and lowest clearance rates. Cannot convince me that that over half unsolved murders in Baltimore committed by whites

    Very good point. The ‘snitches get stitches’ ethic of inner city Black communities, in all likelihood, means the real percentage of Black homicides is quite a bit higher than these stats indicate.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  61. CCZ says:
    @Jmaie

    POST TRAUMATIC SLAVE SYNDROME

    As a result of twelve years of quantitative and qualitative research Dr. Joy DeGruy has developed her theory of Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, and published her findings in the book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome – America’s Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing.”

    P.T.S.S. is a theory that explains the etiology of many of the adaptive survival behaviors in African American communities throughout the United States and the Diaspora. It is a condition that exists as a consequence of multigenerational oppression of Africans and their descendants resulting from centuries of chattel slavery. A form of slavery which was predicated on the belief that African Americans were inherently/genetically inferior to whites. This was then followed by institutionalized racism which continues to perpetuate injury.

    Thus, resulting in M.A.P.:

    M: Multigenerational trauma together with continued oppression;

    A: Absence of opportunity to heal or access the benefits available in the society; leads to

    P: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.

    Under such circumstances these are some of the predictable patterns of behavior that tend to occur:

    Vacant Esteem
    Insufficient development of what Dr. DeGruy refers to as primary esteem, along with feelings of hopelessness, depression and a general self destructive outlook.

    Marked Propensity for Anger and Violence
    Extreme feelings of suspicion perceived negative motivations of others. Violence against self, property and others, including the members of one’s own group, i.e. friends, relatives, or acquaintances.

    Racist Socialization and (internalized racism)
    Learned Helplessness, literacy deprivation, distorted self-concept, antipathy or aversion for the following:

    The members of ones own identified cultural/ethnic group,

    The mores and customs associated ones own identified cultural/ethnic heritage,

    The physical characteristics of ones own identified cultural/ethnic group.

    https://www.joydegruy.com/post-traumatic-slave-syndrome

  62. Michael S says:

    It must be right-wing agitators inciting them.

    That, and police simply look the other way when a white person commits murder. That’s a thing, right? I’m sure I read it in the New York Times somewhere.

  63. syonredux says:

    While blacks made up 52.5% of known murder offenders from 1980-2008, their percentage continues to inch upwards, reaching 55.9% in 2019:

    Whoa. looks as though Matty wants to bring the hammer down on People with Black Bodies:

    Matty Yglesias:

    I really think “let’s make it harder for people to get away with murder” would be a good political issue for someone to run on.

    • Replies: @anon
  64. is this for closed cases? cases with suspects? it’s probably higher than 56% if you take all the cases nationwide. the police usually have a general idea who did it, but no particular suspect. people are usually killed by people in the same group.

    in Chicago in 2020, 75% of murder victims were africans. so if they’re usually killed by other africans, then they’re doing over 70% of the murders.

    this working backwards method is how i figured that in the mid to late 00s, the murder rate for europeans was a few percent lower than even for all asian peoples combined.

  65. also discussed previously was that serial killers were mainly african now. not sure what the latest data is, but they had become like 60% of serial killers by the 10s. maybe they’re up to 70% now.

    the situation that the police get basically no cooperation from african citizens is partly what causes the unsolved murder rate to be so high, and likely what enables lots of african serial killers to operate for years.

  66. @Anon

    “They won’t for long.”

    agree. FBI crime data will be coming to an end at some point here. either the data will start to become a state secret that you can’t get anymore, or they’ll stop collecting it entirely. either way, once Democrats take permanent control of Washington DC, it’s only a matter of time.

  67. The pepe-verse has been significantly underplaying its hand with the ‘13%’ meme.

    The best and most complete evidence comes from the Justice Department. Its annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) canvasses a representative sample of about 80,000 Americans, from roughly 43,000 households. From this survey, a picture of crime is painted by its victims. The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994. From it we learn that blacks committed 1,600,951 violent crimes against whites. In the same year, whites committed 165,345 such offenses against blacks. Despite being only 13 percent of the population, blacks committed more than 90 percent of the violent interracial crime. Less than 15 percent of these had robbery as a motive. The rest were assaults and rapes.

    The asymmetry of interracial crime goes still deeper. More than half the violence committed by blacks is directed against whites, 57 percent in 1994. Less than 3 percent of the violence committed by whites is directed against blacks. Population and NCVS statistics reveal that in 1994 a black was 64 times more likely to attack a white than vice versa. In the city, the races live mostly apart from one another, so that the most convenient victims of thugs are others of the same race. Only a hunter’s mentality could account for the data. Given a choice, a black thug will select a white victim.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm

    Since interracial crime is apparently all this country cares about, the disproportionality there is what we should be talking about. So, guys: 13 don’t do 50. 13% do 90% of the violent interracial crime.

    • Thanks: bruce county
  68. SC Rebel says:

    They key word there is “known”.

    The actual percentage is probably much higher.

  69. SC Rebel says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Hmm, it’s almost like there is a scientific explanation at work here. Hmm…

    Love your name by the way. We could use some Enoch today.

  70. SC Rebel says:
    @Dan Smith

    Don’t forget “disparate impact” and “lack of access”.

  71. bucky says:
    @Lurker

    Er, I can see that with people with jobs in scientific research, but not for journalists whose job it is to make news and so will be more read up on local news than most.

    It is true though that tv fiction does not accurately portray the reality of crime in this country. There was a show Criminal Minds on Netflix recently that depicted an FBI team flying into cities and taking down criminals. The FBI team was about half black and half white. They were federal and flew in with all of the federal professionalism and prestige.

    The criminals were local yahoos. All were white or asian. Not a single black criminal was ever depicted. from a distance, the depiction was of the superior black african exerting power over the inferior whites and asians.

  72. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Lol @ autistic Matty. He’s too narrow-visioned to realize all the implications of what he tweeted.

    Let’s stop letting people get away with Polar Bear hunting, too. What’s that, Matty? You’re gurgling, did you say something?

  73. prosa123 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I thought most of the suspects in London would be Pakistani.

  74. @kaganovitch

    means the real percentage of Black homicides is quite a bit higher than these stats indicate.

    Police solve most murders through motive, not through CSI-type wizardry. They just start asking around who had a problem with the victim and go from there. Also most people who commit murder aren’t very bright and leave all sorts of tracks (such as bragging to their friends how they killed so-and-so). If nobody will talk to the police, including the victim’s family & friends, the police don’t usually have much to go on. Soon the detectives catch another case….

    People who won’t talk to the police about a murder are, almost all of the time, black –> therefore its reasonable to conclude that most if not all of the 4,752 unsolved murders involved a black victim –> since almost all blacks murdered are murdered by other blacks –> it stands to reason that almost all of the 4,752 unsolved murders were committed by blacks.

    Therefore its a safe conclusion that blacks are responsible for (6,425 + 4752)/16,245 or 68.8% of murders. While making up 13% of the population…except black males are 6.5% of the population…black males in the prime murdering years are some subset of that 6.5%.

    However you’re a bad person if you’re wary of black males.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jack D
    , @Farenheit
  75. Wilkey says:
    @Jtgw

    Someone once seriously suggested to me that statistics on offenders by race prove nothing because of all the unknown offenders.

    All you really have to do is compare overall murder rates, solved and unsolved, in overwhelmingly black jurisdictions to those in mostly white ones. The disparity is even larger than what you would expect if black murder rates were “only” eight times larger than non-whites.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  76. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Police solve most murders through motive, not through CSI-type wizardry.

    I’m amazed that “The First 48” is still on the A&E cable channel.

    The First 48 takes viewers behind the scenes of real-life investigations as it follows homicide detectives in the critical first 48 hours of murder investigations, giving viewers unprecedented access to crime scenes, interrogations and forensic processing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_48

    https://www.aetv.com/shows/the-first-48

    If I had authority over high school aged people I’d show one of these per week for months on end. To everyone, regardless of skin color.

    However you’re a bad person if you’re wary of black males.

    According to the CDC the leading cause of death for black male humans in the 18 – 30 age range is homicide. Homicide! Now, that’s partly an artifact because young men don’t have heart attacks, strokes or cancer. But the leading cause of death for that age group should be “accidents”.

    The leading cause of death for young black men is homicide committed by other young black men.

    Somehow this never gets talked about in our National Conversations. Strange.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  77. ATBOTL says:
    @Art Deco

    Keep in mind when you’re whining about ‘desegregation’ that a feature of the ancien regime between 1910 and 1948 was court enforcement of restrictive covenants on real estate, which transferred rights from you to some long-gone real-estate developer.

    Notice that Art Deco, an elderly neocon Jew, tries to appeal to white people’s sense of individualism to argue against actions that are in white interests.

    When Israel allows all of the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel and their descendants the right of return to their home towns, and gives them full civil rights and equality with Israeli Jews, then you can lecture us. Until then, shut up.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  78. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @jtgw

    Its less. That is; despite smaller relative size they are more murderous.

    ( Higher mortality and incarceration rates. )

  79. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    Deconcentration of the black population has no observable ill effects.

    Seriously, AD?

    Shipping blacks out from the inner cities to the places where whites fled to escape them has had “no observable ill effects” on the whites who fled?

    Presumably you’ve heard of Ferguson, Missouri?

  80. Huisache says: • Website

    Breaking the stats down by race is one useful way to observe the problem. Another is to break them down by economic status. The great majority of murders are committed by young males. Almost all murders are committed by poor people. Blacks make up a disproportionate number of the poor, therefore……….most murders are committed by young black males who are poor.

    I’ve had a few black neighbors and they all worked and were no problem.

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
  81. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Not for nothing have white people, especially the ‘karens’, been associated with ‘fragility’ vis-a-vis blacks. And yet, the PC solution to ‘white fragility’ isn’t white honesty and boldness but even more fragile sensitivity in regard to blacks. According to race-hustlers, white people should stop being so cautious and timid about race matters and just prostrate themselves with raw passion at the feet of blacks. In other words, the abandonment of fragility isn’t strength but more servility, even slavishness to the Other. The notion of ‘fragility’ is dual in nature. On the one hand, it assumes that whites are privileged & powerful over blacks and afraid to address this issue lest they give offense. This perspective assumes that many white people are well-meaning and ‘anti-racist’ but know all too well that the legacy of slavery & past discrimination and structures of ‘systemic racism’ work in their favor. They want to be good to blacks but lack the boldness to address and repair the deeper problems that hold blacks back. But another aspect of the ‘fragility’ theory rests on the observation that blacks are tougher and more vibrant whereas whites are bland and colorless. Therefore, whites, as the fragile race, should revere and serve blacks as the hardy race.

  82. FPD72 says:
    @MEH 0910

    It emanates from the first book of racist ideas finished in 1453, a bio of Prince Henry’s pioneering transatlantic slave trading of African people.

    How did Prince Henry the Navigator pioneer the transatlantic slave trade when he died in 1460, 32 years before Columbus set sail? I’m guessing that real history isn’t one of Kendi’s strong suits, or he doesn’t understand the meaning of “transatlantic.”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  83. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Probably it’s wrong to put 100% of unsolved murders in the black offender column, especially in our increasingly diverse society with MS13 and other Latin crime mobs, ex-Soviets, Hmong, etc. There might even be a handful of Old Stock white murderers or leftovers from the last immigration wave (Italian mobsters). But offhand, I’d say that its at least 75% or 80% so you are not far off.

    As far as the police practicing “profiling”, stop & frisk, etc., I would guess that the odds that a black male between the age of 16-39 is illegally carrying a weapon (and will eventually use it to shoot someone) are probably something like 100 to 1 vs. say an elderly white female. My MIL is now 98 and doesn’t fly much anymore (not at all since the ‘Rona) but a few years ago when she was already north of 90, I flew with her a couple of times and damn if the TSA didn’t swab her hands for explosive residue, despite the fact that the # of airplanes hijacked in all of history by frail 90+ year old women is zero. These were the nasty black screeners at Philly airport and it would not surprise me if they consciously selected her to fulfill their search quota, both to get back at racist white people and also knowing that she wasn’t capable of picking a fight with them.

  84. Richard B says:
    @polistra

    crimestop intervenes like a 30-ampere shock

    Absolutely! It’s everywhere.

    “Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”

    And I mean, everywhere!

    In fact, an argument could be made that the US, and not just the US, is literally choking itself to death because of it.

  85. Farenheit says:
    @William Badwhite

    Therefore its a safe conclusion that blacks are responsible for (6,425 + 4752)/16,245 or 68.8% of murders.

    I’m good with your math. Going forward I’ll just round and go with 2/3 of murders in the US are at the hands of the black criminal underclass.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  86. usNthem says:

    I wonder how many Whites have been murdered by blacks since, say 1964 to pick a date? As for the number of joggers offed by their fellow simians over the same period, I couldn’t care less.

  87. TrainDoc says:

    “blacks at 13.4% of the population, make up now well over 50% of murder offenders.”
    NOT TRUE!!
    young black males at 4% of the population make up over 50% 0f murder offenders

    • Agree: Foreign Expert
  88. res says:
    @Jack D

    I did an analysis making a numerical estimate of that effect a few months ago and my back of the envelope result was that the difference was small and possibly in the direction of a lower percentage of black offenders. I’d be interested in thoughtful (ideally numerical) critiques. Here is the comment.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-much-more-homicidal-are-blacks-than-whites-7-4x-more-like-the-obama-administration-said-or-11-7x-more/#comment-3946871

    Also see this analysis suggesting that separating out Hispanics from whites would increase the B/W disparity about 30%.
    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/indefinite-flight-delays/#comment-3980548
    Which is a smaller effect than the researchers Steve cited at the earlier link claimed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  89. Jack D says:
    @res

    Your numbers and math are alway impeccable so I’m no position to dispute them, except to note, as you already have, that crime nowadays is not a binary “black and white” matter.

    When it suits the powers that be (crime stats), Latinos get lumped in with whites and when it doesn’t, they get broken out separately. And the Latino self definition of “white” is very different from the traditional American “one drop” rule. There are Latinos with far more African blood than Kamala Harris who think of themselves as “white”. A coffee with cream 30% African Dominican looks at himself (or herself) in the mirror and sees a “white” person – to be “black” you have have to be inky, shiny black like a Haitian (and boy do they hate black people). Mexicans, who readily acknowledge their mixed white/Amerindian heritage, deny that they have any African blood but the average Mexican is 4% African (vs. the average white American who is close to 0% African) because their slave population just dissolved into the masses.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Shango
    , @res
    , @Nicholas Stix
  90. @Known Fact

    Every white liberal I’ve ever known lived in the whitest section of town.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  91. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not that numerical, but 6,425/16,245 = 39%??

  92. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Can this insufferable fellow distinguish between (((portuguese))) slavers and Europeans? Between Dutch, British, Spanish??

    He should be woken; an academic should be more careful with his terms.

  93. Wilkey says:
    @Art Deco

    Deconcentration of the black population has no observable ill effects.

    Sure it does. It spreads the crime across a larger area of the city.

    The first place my wife and I moved to after we were married was a middle class suburb of a city with a large black population. The neighborhood was nice, safe, and mostly white. This was just at the beginning of the campaign to “demolish the projects” and give all the residents Section 8 vouchers.

    A few years ago we drove back through the old neighborhood on a road trip. The neighborhood was unrecognizable. A war zone. The nearby shopping mall, which wasn’t that old when we lived there, was all but vacant.

    You can argue for freedom of contract in real estate. Keep in mind when you’re whining about ‘desegregation’ that a feature of the ancien regime between 1910 and 1948 was court enforcement of restrictive covenants on real estate, which transferred rights from you to some long-gone real-estate developer.

    Oddly enough all of the home owners suffering under the thumbs of those ‘long-gone real estate developers’ didn’t want those restrictive covenants removed. Government imposed desegregation utterly destroyed white communities all across the country, and with it much of the fabric of this nation.

  94. @Bucky

    This is not true.

    I’ve had conversations with a working journalist and she did not know this.

    I don’t believe her. I think she’s saying what she’s supposed to. Why? Because she doesn’t live in a Black neighborhood, they never do. They run from large groups of Black men in real life. They assume they’ll always be protected and therefore free to spout things that hurt their race.

    She probably doesn’t know the actual stats, but she has a gut instinct that assumes Blacks are criminal when her own lily White ass is on the line.

  95. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    The problem with freedom of contract in real estate is that it doesn’t account for “externalities” that you as the selling land owner don’t bear. Let’s say there’s no zoning code or restrictive covenants and a tannery comes to you and offers you a premium price for your land in order to use it as a leather tannery (leathern tanning is an extremely stinky process), knowing that no decent person would sell to them at the market price. Once you accept it and the leather tannery is built, the value of all of your neighbor’s property will decline due to the smell but you’ll be long gone and won’t have to take any loss. Covenants or zoning laws are like a mutual pact – you’ll never be able to sell out and collect a premium, but neither will your neighbors ever be able to screw you by selling out first. If they are created by developers and not by the homeowners themselves, it’s because the developer knows that land that is subject to covenants is more valuable than land without. The developer is not putting the covenants on in order to “interfere” with your ability to contract with a tannery in the future or because he’s an evil racist. Money is his only motive and the money points to the market wanting covenants.

    For leather tannery, substitute “Negro”. But then the courts made it impossible, first by prohibiting racial zoning and then by prohibiting racial covenants (which were the response to the loss of the racial zoning cases). And “block busting” was the white response – all the white people would rush to sell in order not to be the one left standing in the game of musical chairs.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JMcG
  96. @Art Deco

    Deconcentration of the black population has no observable ill effects.

    Forcing Whites to have Blacks in their neighborhoods and schools most definitely had a bad impact on them. That’s why, everywhere on earth, Whites actually avoid being around them.

    Ever heard of White Flight?

    Keep in mind when you’re whining about ‘desegregation’

    Remembering the Whites who’ve been murdered, raped and molested since desegregation is “whining”?

    If it’s such a great policy, you shouldn’t mind owning up to it’s impact.

  97. @guest

    “hate statistics”?

    Are you stupid?

    • Replies: @guest
  98. @FPD72

    I’m guessing that real history isn’t one of Kendi’s strong suits, or he doesn’t understand the meaning of “transatlantic.”

    In our non-binary era you need to embrace the power of ‘and’ !

  99. anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Deconcentration of the black population has no observable ill effects

    How many black neighbors do you have within a 5 minute walking distance? 10 minutes? 20 minutes?

    My guess is “none”, “none” and “none”. But I could be wrong. Please elucidate?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  100. guest says:
    @John352435y

    Maybe. But I am definitely sarcastic.

  101. Shango says:
    @Jack D

    What are your reasons why Haitians hate blacks?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  102. Elli says:

    There were two black serial killers on Criminal Minds. One was a black music producer who preyed on young black girls.

    The other was a man who as a teenager had been falsely accused of rape by a white girl and castrated by her brother and his band of frat boy type racists. In the late sixties. In the Virginia suburbs. Later he killed his attackers and later still, some of their daughters because one was dating his son. So they deserved it, or they were dangerous nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  103. @Art Deco

    The troublesome areas of any metropolitan settlement are places with large concentrations of lightly policed lumpenproletarians.

    The troublesome areas of any metro settlement are places with large concentrations of heavily-policed blacks.

    Fixed it for you.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  104. @Farenheit

    “I’m good with your math. Going forward I’ll just round and go with 2/3 of murders in the US are at the hands of the black criminal underclass.”

    You don’t even need the qualifier, “criminal underclass.” blacks of all social classes commit crimes at many times the rate of Whites.

  105. @Elli

    You do realize, I hope, that Criminal Minds was a fictional show?

    If you were being sarcastic, I apologize. It’s gotten increasingly difficult to tell.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  106. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    Isn’t this what redlining was really about? If a black bought a house in a white neighborhood, the value of all the houses in the neighborhood would fall and the loan would be underwater. The government didn’t want to get stuck backing a bunch of underwater loans and voila, redlining!

    I could never understand why blacks would want to be the first into a white neighborhood. Their very act of purchasing the house would result in an instant reduction in its value. Sad but true.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @res
  107. Jack D says:
    @Shango

    You’re confused. Dominicans hate Haitians to the point of genocide.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/10/07/555871670/80-years-on-dominicans-and-haitians-revisit-painful-memories-of-parsley-massacre

    Why? Genocide is never justified but living around blacks is usually not easy. If you’ve ever lived in a neighborhood with blacks, your chances of being murdered are not really that high but your chances of getting stuff stolen are. They are constantly breaking into houses, cars, etc. and stealing your stuff. It’s really annoying. Trujillo said at the time: “To the Dominicans who were complaining of the depredations by Haitians living among them thefts of cattle, provisions, fruits, etc., and were thus prevented from enjoying in peace the products of their labor, I have responded, ‘I will fix this.’ And we have already begun to remedy the situation.”

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  108. @Nicholas Stix

    I’ve known people who think To Kill a Mockingbird is a true story. When I told them it was fiction they were incredulous.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  109. @Jack D

    You’re confused. Dominicans hate Haitians to the point of genocide.

    Haitians aren’t too thrilled about black Americans either, although many have clambered onto the racial quota wagon and made common cause all the same. While they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, just like other immigrants, it’s not quite as monolithic as the black vote, and could evolve, assuming Haitians remain a distinct ethnicity rather than blend into the overall black population:

    An estimated 20 percent of voters of Haitian ancestry went for Trump in 2016, Austin said. They aren’t a monolithic voting bloc, unlike African-American voters, who overwhelmingly cast their ballots for Democrats.

    Many Haitian-Americans are more conservative than African-Americans. Austin has studied different groups as part of the research for her book, “The Caribbeanization of Black Politics: Race, Group Consciousness, and Political Participation in America,” published earlier this year.

  110. @Huisache

    I’ve had a few black neighbors and

    Reminds me of the old joke:

    Q: What word starts with “N” and ends with “R” and that you don’t want to call a black person?

    A: “Neighbor”

    Also, shut up Reg Caesar

  111. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Everyone knows about Black criminality. Liberals are fully aware.

    It depends on what the meaning of the word “know” is.
    Most people don’t care if their opinions are true or not. They have opinions for the purpose of signaling their solidarity and conformity with a group.
    Liberals hold liberal views in order to fit in with other liberals. Opinions are symbolic gestures of fealty, like kneeling before the King.
    That is why opinions for liberals are faith-based and emotion-based, not fact or logic based.
    Liberals know about black criminality when walking down the street or buying a house.
    They do not know about black criminality in their beliefs and opinions. They substitute knowing with feelings of loyalty, conformity, and solidarity.
    You could tell them George Floyd rose from the dead on the third day and they would believe it.
    It’s not as if there isn’t precedent for this sort of thing.

  112. res says:
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the kind words. The big issue (aside from the Hispanic point already discussed) I see with my analysis is the assumption that cleared and uncleared murders have roughly the same offender race distribution.

    An important point with analyses like these is to have an understanding of which variables (when changed) have the biggest influence on the results (a formal way of looking at this is sensitivity analysis). For example, since for black victims 8% of offenders are white and 90% of offenders are black there is not much room for changing the assumption that the cleared and uncleared numbers are the same to decrease the number of white offenders. And I strongly doubt reality is in the other direction.

    But for white victims we have 83% of offenders are white and 14% of offenders are black. I think it is highly likely that the black offender proportion for uncleared murders is higher (but lack any good way to justify a numerical estimate) and since the uncleared murders of whites contribute almost all of the additional white offenders in my analysis changes in that proportion could make a big difference in the conclusions. Consider shifting that proportion to 73/24 giving (reproducing third paragraph from last of my comment with the new numbers).

    First, looking at Capital-Eligible Homicides we see uncleared murders as follows.
    white victims: 3800 * 0.6 = 2280 implying 1892 1664 white offenders and 319 547 black offenders
    black victims: 3100 * 0.7 = 2170 implying 174 white offenders and 1953 black offenders
    Giving a total of 2292 2500 black offenders and 2066 1838 white offenders estimated as missing from the statistics. So 5358% of uncleared capital-eligible homicides estimated as being by blacks.

    So we see that change makes a non-trivial difference in the overall proportion. But it would make a much larger difference in the oft discussed balance of interracial homicides. Rather than the 319/174 = 1.8 disparity we had before we would now have 547/174 = 3.1. Notice how big a change that is. It only applies to the uncleared proportion, so the overall number would not change as much, but still…

    I find it is difficult to have good intuition for all of this because the group disparities and population size differences are both so large.

    TLDR: I think reality lies somewhere between my linked analysis and your original point, but find it hard to refine my estimate further.

  113. @Jack D

    During the mid-1990s, I went out with a black Dominican girl, Mary. According to Mary, she had no black blood in her, just “White and Indian.”

    One look at her put the lie to her self-description. She looked more like 75% (or 87.5%) black, maybe 25% (or 12.5%) Indian, and 0% White.

    Mary hated blacks, and made no bones about it, but I couldn’t figure out why.

    Finally, a Haitian salesman explained it. We were in this huge jeans store on Manhattan’s Union Square, and the salesman was one of those charming, knockaround guys who travel half the world, know a bunch of words in a zillion languages, can sell just about anything, and do well with the ladies. Well, I don’t know what got this guy going—maybe I asked him where he was from, and then mentioned that Mary was Dominican—but he launched into this disquisition.

    He said that in the year 1804, I believe (whatever he said was the wrong year, but otherwise I determined the story was true) Haitian troops overran the Dominican side, and raped every female in sight.

    Mary said nothing, but I could she her blushing (not her skin color, but her facial muscles). She never said anything about the guy’s story.

    The funny thing is, American blacks have for generations rationalized their anti-White racism through their racial fairy tale about slavemasters marching into the slave quarters and raping slave girls, a story I believe was invented by makers of 1970s blaxploitation movies.

    Historian of slavery Eugene Genovese maintained that slave masters had little interest in raping slave girls. He found that most mulattoes were born after emancipation, when many freed black females prostituted themselves to White men.

    I believe that as many or more mullattoes were sired when black men raped White women. A tiny few were born of consensual couplings between White women and black men.

    • Replies: @usNthem
  114. ATBOTL says:
    @JMcG

    I looked at the historical maps made by banks that had the literal red lines on them. Most of the red lined areas were white at the time. The red lined areas were generally the oldest housing in the downtown areas. In some cities, the black ghetto was outside of the red lined area. The whole concept of “red lining” as we know it today is a myth.

    • Thanks: JMcG
  115. This may also be of interest:

    From 2010 to 2019 there were 537 Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) killed in the line of duty. The breakdown of the backgrounds of the offenders was 303 white, 199 black, 35 other. This gives a ratio for blacks of about 2.85 to their proportion of the population (I used .13 as an estimate of their proportion of the population for the period).

    See table 42, page 5 of the linked PDF:

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/leoka19_tables_rev.pdf

  116. res says:
    @JMcG

    Isn’t this what redlining was really about? If a black bought a house in a white neighborhood, the value of all the houses in the neighborhood would fall and the loan would be underwater. The government didn’t want to get stuck backing a bunch of underwater loans and voila, redlining!

    I don’t think so. My understanding is redlining refers to denying loans in areas perceived to be poor risks. Which often happened to be black.

    Here is how the term originated.
    https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america

    There has been creep in the definition since then of course.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

    • Thanks: JMcG
  117. And NJ just passed a law making it a crime for whites to call 911 on black perps. Need another reason to leave NJ how about 200 miles of crappy strip malls and cheap suburban sprawl. What a dump.

  118. Most homicides are committed by males ages 18 to 49.
    Therefore, we can reasonably estimate that about half of all homicides are committed by black males, ages 18 to 49 who comprise about 4 percent of the nation’s population.

  119. Art Deco says:
    @XRay Manzarek

    Except that isn’t true. (1) A huge swath of the black population lives outside of these areas and (2) they generally are not heavily policed. See Lawrence Mead on this point. Ample policing was an initiative of the Giuliani administration, with good effects.

  120. Art Deco says:
    @anon

    I currently live in a town that’s about 20% black. The homicide rate is 2 per 100,000. The reason is that the blacks who live around here tend to be postal workers and the like.

  121. Art Deco says:
    @ATBOTL

    Actually, borderline-elderly Scots-Irish blueblood, if anyone cares.

    When Israel allows all of the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel and their descendants the right of return to their home towns, and gives them full civil rights and equality with Israeli Jews, then you can lecture us. Until then, shut up.

    That you want dead Jews isn’t going to persuade anyone else to advise Israel to co-operate in a project to generate more dead Jews. We aren’t jabbering about Sudeten, Silesian and Pomeranian Germans (who actually were long-standing residents and actually were expelled) because some people can undertake constructive action and don’t need UN agencies providing an income for brigands.

    • Troll: HammerJack
  122. @anon

    OneEightFour, lots of murders few pale face perps. how does that square with today’s agenda? PS, I love the show, one telling feature is little help from the community. Oh, and mylar balloons at the memorials.

  123. @David In TN

    David, you are correct. And their lawns sport blm yard signs.

  124. @guest

    mugshots are public records.

  125. usNthem says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    I could be wrong, but on the voyage over, I believe sailors had access to the “ladies” as well.

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