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From The New Yorker:

Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies

The film executive hired private investigators, including ex-Mossad agents, to track actresses and journalists.

By Ronan Farrow 6:31 P.M.

In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.

Here’s Black Cube’s Google listing:

Black Cube | Creative Intelligence | BlackCube
https://www.blackcube.com/

A select group of elite Israeli intelligence community who specializes in tailored solutions to complex business and litigation challenges.

The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out. But a reader kindly risked getting his computer enlisted into a Belarusian crypto-currency mining scam to read the rest of Black Cube’s list of can-do capabilities, including:

5. Pro-Active Approach

We overcome limited-access sources by taking a can-do, dynamic approach. We have developed several unique methods, especially in the social engineering field, that allow us to move freely in and to extract valuable information from limited access sources, both in virtual and physical environments.

That … leaves a lot to the imagination.

By the way, do you think Harvey ever discussed Black Cube’s social engineering capabilities with his close friends and allies, the Clintons?

Back to Mia Farrow’s son:

Two private investigators from Black Cube, using false identities, met with the actress Rose McGowan, who eventually publicly accused Weinstein of rape, to extract information from her. One of the investigators pretended to be a women’s-rights advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan.

I just to want mention to all Social Justice Warriors out there that other SJWs you meet could be former Mossad agents working for sexual harassers. I’m not saying they all are, but, apparently, some are and you should keep that in mind.

In some cases, the investigative effort was run through Weinstein’s lawyers, including David Boies, a celebrated attorney who represented Al Gore in the 2000 Presidential-election dispute and argued for marriage equality before the U.S. Supreme Court. Boies personally signed the contract directing Black Cube to attempt to uncover information that would stop the publication of a Times story about Weinstein’s abuses, while his firm was also representing the Times, including in a libel case.

Boies, among much else in a busy life, represented Elizabeth Holmes’ Theranos in attempting to shut down the WSJ’s outstanding investigation of that Women-in-Tech fraud firm.

 
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  1. OT:

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    WTF. Trump took office in January 2017. Why is it taking two years just to get started on basic agenda items? He's been extending TPS for illegal aliens for Haiti, El Salvador, and Honduras for two years already. And the DACAs got a two year extension, too.

    And he's only been in office for ten months. It's going to get worse from here. Expect a hailstorm of cucking before 2020.
    , @Neoconned
    The Manhattan DA supposedly has an indictment sealed. The problem is this will just be another OJ trial. He'll walk or plead on some gravy charge his gold plated legal counsel arranges for him. Worst case hell do half a yr in some dorm room type minimum security prison and move to Israel or France after and finish off his career w endless hookers and Mossad procured dope.
  2. Anonymous [AKA "Frayed thread"] says:

    Why is The son of Woody Allen(noted Husband of a Daughter) hot on the trail of Hollyweirdos?

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.
  3. The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.

    Oh man, sounds like this year’s Fargo series – please don’t park on any upper floors of any multi-story parking garages, Steve!

    And good for Ronan, but hope we don’t start seeing reports of him being a party-boy and into the nose-candy – we know what that’s a prelude for.

    And with all this going on, there are still “conservatives” who insist any suggestion that David Brock’s ex-lover might be a pedophile is just deplorable, nut-job conspiracy mongering?

  4. Do Harvey get his money back?

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Do[es] Harvey get his money back?"

    I too have wondered this. Hush money is payment for a non-disclosure agreement. If the hushee violates the NDA, must she return (with interest) the hush money? Surely this is settled law. Lawyerly explication welcome.
    , @Clyde

    Do Harvey get his money back?
     
    Your real question is: Do Harve's lawyers try to get his (hush) money returned? Answer is no. Too much bad PR.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Do Harvey get his money back?
     
    Harvey is plural?

    Do you see with him a rabbit the rest of us don't?
  5. The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.

    I’m not sure if you’re joking. Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube. I read about this in a William Gibson novel, bail out, bail out!

    In reality, the cookie message is alarming in a different way. A European law requires all web sites using cookies, i.e all web sites, to ask each visitor’s permission for using cookies.

    The inflexible mindless useless idiocy of this law makes me worry about our future. The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes. But perhaps I am being too neurotic.

    With the passing of Directive 2009/136/EC, which has come to be known as the Cookie Law, the European Parliament mandated that all countries within the EU must setup laws requiring websites to obtain informed consent before they can store or retrieve information on a visitor’s computer or web-enabled device.

    In other words, if you’re in Europe and host a website that uses cookies, you are required to tell your visitors that you’re using cookies, let them know what those cookies are being used for, and get their consent before you can place cookies on their device.

    https://privacypolicies.com/blog/eu-cookie-law/

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes.

     

    That's an insightful -- if depressing -- observation. Thanks much.
    , @kihowi
    Oh it's a blast. If you're European, every single website will first humbly ask your permission. Every. Single. One. That's an extra click every time.

    The smart ones or the ones who give a shit about their visitors have made it a tiny little bar at the top of the screen. But the vast majority blacks out the entire website and won't let you do anything until you've magnanimously allowed their handful of bytes of data.

    Extra fun if you're using NoScript or something else that gets rid of scripts. That means the cookie message won't work so first you get a message about that. Then you re-enable javascript, then get the cookie message, and then you can view the website.

    It's laughable, especially since browser fingerprinting is a much, much more powerful way of tracking users across the entire internet.

    But that's what you get if you want a democratic club where the corrupt countries outnumber the functional ones. This is what we want.

    , @Laugh Track

    Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube.
     
    Is it just me or does a spy outfit run by ex-Mossad agents naming itself Black Cube seem just as weird as an outfit run by ex-Islamists naming itself Second Temple?
    , @El Dato
    I think this law has been allowed to be struck off as people realize a cookie is just a device to hold state and faffing around with URL rewriting to achieve that effect is Bad.

    To keep your browser cache clean so that you do not tell advertisers and Google where you have been lately, install cache-cleaning add-ons (e.g. Empty Cache Button).

    Also, use NoScript.

    And if you are using Flash, you are basically asking for a mugging.
  6. There is no way this was just meant to gather information, they were very likely also hired to threaten and behave like thugs to silence the accusers.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    I would like to try to get a sense of how much of an impact on journalism this kind of operation has, overall. There are times when important stories are black holed, or trivial stories promoted. Does this explain some of that?
  7. “One of the investigators pretended to be a women’s-rights advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan.”

    Is there a term-of-art for that among intelligence operatives? Is this what they call a “vinegar-pot operation”?

    • LOL: Kylie
  8. You’ve posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn’t Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    • Troll: whorefinder
    • Replies: @Kylie
    Steve is a very nice guy. I don't presume to speak for him, of course. But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey's situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein's, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    LOL. The Weinstein story is orders of magnitude more interesting than Spacey's.
    , @syonredux

    You’ve posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn’t Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?
     
    Weinstein is much more important/powerful than Spacey.
    , @guest
    You think going after homos (not that way) doesn't rile us up?

    The Homo Question is indeed important .
    , @whorefinder
    You might also ask why Steve hasn't talked about Bret Ratner, who is also Jewish and been accused of similar bad behavior. Because Ratner and Space have far fewer accusers coming forward and their political influence is far lesser than Democrat mega-donor and mega-player and self-proclaimed "Clinton White House Projectionist" Harvey Weinstein.

    But nice try, troll.
    , @utu
    Spacey did not have Mossad intimidating his victims.
    , @biz
    Not sure about that. To some of these readers Spacey became Jewish once the accusations started rolling in.
  9. The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.

    This is because of an EU law requiring all websites operating in the EU (so, all websites) to display a notice before setting cookies.

    Anyway, cookies are fine, pretty much every site (e.g. Unz, Twitter) uses them, and the Mossad (or anyone) has much better methods of tracking your browsing habits. If you’re really paranoid about them then open the page in a private window (cmd+shift+p on Firefox, cmd+shift+n on Safari or Chrome, although if you care about privacy you shouldn’t be using Chrome).

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    I think everyone has noticed that Israeli websites in general load slow and have unusually high levels of cookies, adds and pop ups.
    , @Anonymous
    The problem with cookies is that the webmaster of each site you visit gets to know all the other sites you've visited.
  10. @Anonymous
    Why is The son of Woody Allen(noted Husband of a Daughter) hot on the trail of Hollyweirdos?

    Ronan took his mother’s side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He’s also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi’s father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He’s been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody’s quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan’s true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol’ Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    • Replies: @Lloyd1927
    I'm inclined to believe in Sinatra's paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen's genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?
    , @Dave Pinsen

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if that was Farrow's initial motivation. Maybe having come up empty, he'll start rethinking his mother's accusations about Woody. Apparently he hasn't sexually harassed any actress in the last half century. Yeah, he dated the girl Mia Farrow adopted with Andre Previn, but Sun Yi was about 20 at the time, and she and Woody have now been together for 3x as long as Mia was married to Andre.
    , @Lugash
    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat's off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.
    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan’s true father."

    In this day and age, wouldn't it be pretty easy to settle the paternity of any famous person (e.g., Chelsea H. Clinton)? If the TV show "Forensic Files" is to be believed, all you need is a recently drunken-from paper cup or recently chewed-on hamburger. But maybe the press is restrained by sympathy for the child of misbehaving parents.
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.
  11. I’m shocked that Mossad spies/thugs deceived & tormented Weinstein’s sexual victims, no one ever said

  12. David Boies is a Dem power player whose name should be known better, for many reasons.

    -Major league trial attorney; he broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.

    -Hot head diva. He was a big name at a big law firm in NYC, but when one client objected to their representing another major client, Boies left the firm in a huff and started his own law firm out of his house in Westchester—msotly so he wouldn’t have to commute.

    -Argued Bush v. Gore for Gore.

    -Represented Michael Moore as part of one of his documentaries.

    -Big Weinstein guy. It was Boies who paid off the Manhattan DA with a campaign donation in return for not prosecuting Weinstein a few years back.

    We can conclude Boies is probably neck deep in a lot of D politics. He should be watched. Closely.

    • Replies: @Shouting Thomas
    David Boies didn't leave Cravath in a huff as you said.

    He acquired the YES Network (the Yankees) as a client. His partners at Cravath demanded to be dealt in on the profits from representing the YES Network, as he was contractually bound if he remained a partner at Cravath.

    Boies keep his YES Network money to himself and resigned his partnership to move to Armonk in Westchester. He had been primarily working in Armonk for a long time since he was the lead attorney for Cravath in the IBM anti-trust litigation. IBM's corporate HQ is in Armonk. Almost all the discovery and record keeping aspects of the IBM anti-trust litigation took place in Armonk.

    Boies is one of the most important policy makers, power players and fund raisers in the Democratic Party.
    , @Anonymous
    David Boise also represented the Justice Department in its anti-trust case against Microsoft.
    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Whorefinder writes, "David Boies ... broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel."

    Wow, that sounds dramatic; I'd like to read about Boies's Perry Mason moment. I wonder why the name "Boies" does not appear in
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmoreland_v._CBS
    , @IndieRafael
    On the good side (at least in my book), Boies did a good job litigating antitrust suit against Microsoft in the late 1990s when the government hired him to help them.
  13. OT: Why don’t they want us to know what these white supremacist cops look like?

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article182494741.html

    • Replies: @t
    Interestingly this Miami is the only city I've found where blacks are over-represented one the police fore, they are 32% of the police but only 16% of the population.

    http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/police-department-officer-demographics-minority-representation.html
  14. I give a lot of credence to the theory that Sinatra is Ronan’s biological father both from Ronan’s appearance and behavior. Probably disgusted by the Hollywood stuff he’s observed up close his whole life, maybe symbolically redeeming his mother’s treatment at the hands of Allen.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?
    , @Alec Leamas
    Didn't Mia say that Ronan "could be" Frank's kid? (admitting to carrying on an affair with former husband Sinatra through her relationship with Allen)

    You can see how in retrospect after the Soon-Yi thing she would want him to be Frank's though.

    Couldn't Ronan rule out Woody with a 23 and me if he has no significant Ashkenazi markers?
    , @ATate
    If you Google Ronan Farrow, the right hand side of the page has a wiki "snapshot". Frank Sinatra is listed as Ronan's Father, lol. So is Woody, but I think it's funny that Frank's in there too.
  15. @t
    OT: Why don't they want us to know what these white supremacist cops look like?

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article182494741.html

    Interestingly this Miami is the only city I’ve found where blacks are over-represented one the police fore, they are 32% of the police but only 16% of the population.

    http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/police-department-officer-demographics-minority-representation.html

  16. Fucker had a private secret police force of stalkers.

    Two private investigators from Black Cube, using false identities, met with the actress Rose McGowan, who eventually publicly accused Weinstein of rape, to extract information from her. One of the investigators pretended to be a women’s-rights advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan.

    Sleaze Lisa Bloom took the cake. Her day job was as a high-profile lawyer, women’s rights advocate, defender of rape victims, etc. At night, however, she was a villainess working to betray rape victims to the King of the Rapists, Harvey Weinstein. Just read a whole piece about her and how she worked against McGowan, tried to insinuate herself into Farrow’s investigation and subvert it, etc. She might just be the sleaziest bitch of the last 20 years.

    (((Polanski))), (((Epstein))), (((Weinstein))), (((Weiner))), (((the Nickelodeon guy (pending)))), (((the NPR guy))), (((Halperin))), (((Toback))), (((Wieseltier)))…I know I’m forgetting several. Talk about your echo chambers.

    You’ve posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn’t Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    Spacey’s a Hollywood homo. A natural enemy.

  17. @whorefinder
    David Boies is a Dem power player whose name should be known better, for many reasons.

    -Major league trial attorney; he broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.

    -Hot head diva. He was a big name at a big law firm in NYC, but when one client objected to their representing another major client, Boies left the firm in a huff and started his own law firm out of his house in Westchester---msotly so he wouldn't have to commute.

    -Argued Bush v. Gore for Gore.

    -Represented Michael Moore as part of one of his documentaries.

    -Big Weinstein guy. It was Boies who paid off the Manhattan DA with a campaign donation in return for not prosecuting Weinstein a few years back.

    We can conclude Boies is probably neck deep in a lot of D politics. He should be watched. Closely.

    David Boies didn’t leave Cravath in a huff as you said.

    He acquired the YES Network (the Yankees) as a client. His partners at Cravath demanded to be dealt in on the profits from representing the YES Network, as he was contractually bound if he remained a partner at Cravath.

    Boies keep his YES Network money to himself and resigned his partnership to move to Armonk in Westchester. He had been primarily working in Armonk for a long time since he was the lead attorney for Cravath in the IBM anti-trust litigation. IBM’s corporate HQ is in Armonk. Almost all the discovery and record keeping aspects of the IBM anti-trust litigation took place in Armonk.

    Boies is one of the most important policy makers, power players and fund raisers in the Democratic Party.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    He acquired the YES Network (the Yankees) as a client. His partners at Cravath demanded to be dealt in on the profits from representing the YES Network, as he was contractually bound if he remained a partner at Cravath.
     
    Sounds huffy and diva-ish to me. It's standard that partners in a law firm share the profits, it's the point of becoming partners: share the winnings and share the losses. Given how's he's a high-stakes gambler on craps, Boies sounds like a hot head from the John McCain school (who also loves craps):

    . [Boies] story is partly one of personal and professional recklessness, a lifelong high-wire act intended, if only unconsciously, to keep things interesting for himself. His rec­ord includes six children with three wives and 30 years as the resident free spirit at a straitlaced Wall Street law firm, where he pushed the envelope until it finally ripped. He quite literally likes to roll the dice; several times a year, he goes on gambling jags in Atlantic City or Las Vegas, where he favors craps over more cerebral games precisely because of the element of chance.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2000/03/microsoft-200003
  18. Weinstein is straight out of a Harold Covington novel.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    No kidding. Now if only some real-life versions of the more appealing characters would start to appear...
  19. Boise also negotiated Weinstein’s contract with The Weinstein Company.

    You know, the contract that said Weinstein would pay a fine to TWC for Weinstein’s “consensual” relationships that turned sour and required a payoff.

  20. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    Steve is a very nice guy. I don’t presume to speak for him, of course. But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    (different Anon)
    I think that seems on the mark, but I'll go further. Weinstein seems to be genuinely "getting off" on the abuse as such. The degradation is part of what he wants. By contrast, for Spacey it seems that the "abuse" is a means to an end, and he really wants some emotional connection.

    Of course the other part of this is that Weinstein seems to have been, for some time, an utterly central figure in Hollywood, one pillar of the world order, which might now be completing imploding...

    I'm feeling giddy.
    , @Clyde

    But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.
     
    Weinstein was an exuberant, happy warrior type of abuser. Who figured, I am in the business and this is definitely one of the perks! Spacey was not that. He took up the offer (gay networking?) to direct the Old Vic to get out of LA, things were getting too hot there. And to sample London's "rum, sodomy and the lash".


    Kevin Spacey: Old Vic accused of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations
    www.theguardian.com › Arts › Kevin Spacey
    Nov 01, 2017 · Actors and former staff at the Old Vic have accused the theatre of turning a blind eye to inappropriate ... Cavazos said his direct experiences with Spacey ...
    , @Altai

    Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.
     
    If only the current allegations are true, I'd agree. But there's talk that Spacey did things far worse than Weinstein. (At least far worse than what Weinstein has been accused of so far) Perhaps it's wiser to see if those are true, because they change entirely the nature of what kind of person Spacey is.
  21. @whorefinder
    David Boies is a Dem power player whose name should be known better, for many reasons.

    -Major league trial attorney; he broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.

    -Hot head diva. He was a big name at a big law firm in NYC, but when one client objected to their representing another major client, Boies left the firm in a huff and started his own law firm out of his house in Westchester---msotly so he wouldn't have to commute.

    -Argued Bush v. Gore for Gore.

    -Represented Michael Moore as part of one of his documentaries.

    -Big Weinstein guy. It was Boies who paid off the Manhattan DA with a campaign donation in return for not prosecuting Weinstein a few years back.

    We can conclude Boies is probably neck deep in a lot of D politics. He should be watched. Closely.

    David Boise also represented the Justice Department in its anti-trust case against Microsoft.

  22. I confess I’m starting to like Rose McGowan. The shiksa who destroyed Harvey Weinstein.

    Maybe Tarantino will make a movie about it.

  23. @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    I’m inclined to believe in Sinatra’s paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen’s genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren't hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.
    , @IHTG
    He really just looks like his mother.
    , @BB753
    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan's conception in 1987... Quite a feat before Viagra.
    Also, you'd think Mia would have been sleeping around with younger, better-looking men at the time.
    Sorry, he does not look like Sinatra. But he does look half-Jewish. There are plenty of Jews in Hollywood : it could have been Woody Allen or any other Jewish guy. Why not Harvey Weinstein? Lol!
  24. I seem to recall that the New Yorker did an ambivalently positive piece on Kroll a few years back.

    Ah yes, here it is…

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/19/the-secret-keeper

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.
  25. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    LOL. The Weinstein story is orders of magnitude more interesting than Spacey’s.

  26. @Lloyd1927
    I'm inclined to believe in Sinatra's paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen's genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?

    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren’t hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @whorefinder
    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual. (Allen was so successful that I would buy that he is now the stereotype most Boomers have of Jews.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Yes when compared to Yaphet Kotto or Idi Amin, Woody Allen and Frank Sinatra look nearly identical.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    This is one of those rare occasions when I think Steve's lack of sleep is catching up with him.

    Ronan's eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?

    Of course, my understanding of genetics is about at the level of Gregor Mendel growing pea plants, so I could be wrong.
    , @el topo
    Sinatra has a much rounder head shape, Woody's is more elongated and angular. Ronan's head looks smallish and round, hence I favor the Sinatra theory.
  27. Another example of why the concentration of wealth & power among such a tight knit Media Elite is conducive to cultural ROT.
    It is sobering indeed to see the firm DeepState crossover to the Donor Class.
    This is an excellent reason for why Accelerationism is not a good bet for the Dissident Right. If the Elites are going to unleash thuggery with their war chest billion$, we better have a damn good contingency plan.
    What have the ADL & SPLC got in mind for their epic war chests? One final grand battle hiring mercenaries, funding coups etc?
    The likelihood of the current Elite going quietly into the night seem to remain slim to nil.

  28. @anonguy
    I give a lot of credence to the theory that Sinatra is Ronan's biological father both from Ronan's appearance and behavior. Probably disgusted by the Hollywood stuff he's observed up close his whole life, maybe symbolically redeeming his mother's treatment at the hands of Allen.

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He hosted an unsuccessful, short lived show on MSNBC. His voice and mannerisms are quite effeminate. It's hard to believe that he's Sinatra's son. Or Woody's for that matter. I suspect that he's the product of some other random guy Mia Farrow was screwing, but that she threw out the name of a notable figure like Sinatra that she had hooked up with and that was plausible enough. Farrow did get around back in the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHoOkskbwz8
    , @anonguy

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?
     
    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She's definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.
  29. It kinda makes you wonder if the Clintons had access to these resources…

  30. @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that was Farrow’s initial motivation. Maybe having come up empty, he’ll start rethinking his mother’s accusations about Woody. Apparently he hasn’t sexually harassed any actress in the last half century. Yeah, he dated the girl Mia Farrow adopted with Andre Previn, but Sun Yi was about 20 at the time, and she and Woody have now been together for 3x as long as Mia was married to Andre.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Yeah, he dated the girl Mia Farrow adopted with Andre Previn, but Sun Yi was about 20 at the time, and she and Woody have now been together for 3x as long as Mia was married to Andre.
     
    New Yorkers have been getting this in their fortune cookies. "Help I am being held captive in an Upper East Side fortune cookie factory"
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?

    He hosted an unsuccessful, short lived show on MSNBC. His voice and mannerisms are quite effeminate. It’s hard to believe that he’s Sinatra’s son. Or Woody’s for that matter. I suspect that he’s the product of some other random guy Mia Farrow was screwing, but that she threw out the name of a notable figure like Sinatra that she had hooked up with and that was plausible enough. Farrow did get around back in the day.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Yeah, if Ronan isn't out of the closet, I expect him to "suddenly" discover his gayness after age 40.
    , @Desiderius
    That's Old Blue Eyes on Progtardism.

    Sad but true.
    , @Anon
    Face it, Sinatra was pretty "effeminate" back in the 40s. Partly being a skinny kid, partly the "heartthrob" image, partly decent White guys from back then just look and act less like negro thugs than the image of "manhood" held by so-called "white nationalists." Then he segued into the "heartbroken drunk" period, which is hardly Game.
  32. @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat’s off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Perhaps a bit of both?
    , @Clyde

    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat’s off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.
     
    Seems to this has been a long term project, labor of love for Ronan Farrow. Spending hours interviewing abused actresses. Getting new leads from each interviewee. What Ronan has had published is the tip of the iceberg so has ol Harve in utter panic.
  33. @Steve Sailer
    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren't hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.

    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual. (Allen was so successful that I would buy that he is now the stereotype most Boomers have of Jews.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings -- the great Columbia years of the 1950s -- while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.
    , @syonredux

    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual.
     
    Of course, one should be careful about confusing the persona with the reality. The real Woody is not the nebbish that he plays in films. He's a successful director, and, as Steve has noted, film directors are a kind of civilian version of a commanding general. Weak egos need not apply.

    As for Sinatra, he's a lot more sensitive than one would assume from his public mask. Indeed, I tend to assume that his tough-guy posturing was a way to disguise his true self, to make people think that he was harder than he really was.
    , @Anon
    "Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona."

    Frank Sinatra had a long career before you discovered the paunchy old man in 1985.
  34. @Lugash
    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat's off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.

    Perhaps a bit of both?

  35. @Steve Sailer
    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren't hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.

    Yes when compared to Yaphet Kotto or Idi Amin, Woody Allen and Frank Sinatra look nearly identical.

    • Replies: @Cloud of Probable Matricide
    Yaphet Kotto is supposed to be half Italian in the TV show Homicide. Ergo, Ronan Farrow is Frank Sinatra's son ... or he's a fatherless Ronan.
  36. @Shouting Thomas
    David Boies didn't leave Cravath in a huff as you said.

    He acquired the YES Network (the Yankees) as a client. His partners at Cravath demanded to be dealt in on the profits from representing the YES Network, as he was contractually bound if he remained a partner at Cravath.

    Boies keep his YES Network money to himself and resigned his partnership to move to Armonk in Westchester. He had been primarily working in Armonk for a long time since he was the lead attorney for Cravath in the IBM anti-trust litigation. IBM's corporate HQ is in Armonk. Almost all the discovery and record keeping aspects of the IBM anti-trust litigation took place in Armonk.

    Boies is one of the most important policy makers, power players and fund raisers in the Democratic Party.

    He acquired the YES Network (the Yankees) as a client. His partners at Cravath demanded to be dealt in on the profits from representing the YES Network, as he was contractually bound if he remained a partner at Cravath.

    Sounds huffy and diva-ish to me. It’s standard that partners in a law firm share the profits, it’s the point of becoming partners: share the winnings and share the losses. Given how’s he’s a high-stakes gambler on craps, Boies sounds like a hot head from the John McCain school (who also loves craps):

    . [Boies] story is partly one of personal and professional recklessness, a lifelong high-wire act intended, if only unconsciously, to keep things interesting for himself. His rec­ord includes six children with three wives and 30 years as the resident free spirit at a straitlaced Wall Street law firm, where he pushed the envelope until it finally ripped. He quite literally likes to roll the dice; several times a year, he goes on gambling jags in Atlantic City or Las Vegas, where he favors craps over more cerebral games precisely because of the element of chance.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2000/03/microsoft-200003

  37. @anonguy
    I give a lot of credence to the theory that Sinatra is Ronan's biological father both from Ronan's appearance and behavior. Probably disgusted by the Hollywood stuff he's observed up close his whole life, maybe symbolically redeeming his mother's treatment at the hands of Allen.

    Didn’t Mia say that Ronan “could be” Frank’s kid? (admitting to carrying on an affair with former husband Sinatra through her relationship with Allen)

    You can see how in retrospect after the Soon-Yi thing she would want him to be Frank’s though.

    Couldn’t Ronan rule out Woody with a 23 and me if he has no significant Ashkenazi markers?

  38. @Anonymous
    He hosted an unsuccessful, short lived show on MSNBC. His voice and mannerisms are quite effeminate. It's hard to believe that he's Sinatra's son. Or Woody's for that matter. I suspect that he's the product of some other random guy Mia Farrow was screwing, but that she threw out the name of a notable figure like Sinatra that she had hooked up with and that was plausible enough. Farrow did get around back in the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHoOkskbwz8

    Yeah, if Ronan isn’t out of the closet, I expect him to “suddenly” discover his gayness after age 40.

  39. @Almost Missouri
    I seem to recall that the New Yorker did an ambivalently positive piece on Kroll a few years back.

    Ah yes, here it is...

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/19/the-secret-keeper

    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.
     
    You're kidding me.

    When his show on Comedy Central first came out, Nick had some advertisements on the NY subway about how his father was never around, but he's decided to "man up" and be a dad to his kids. I didn't know if they were serious or meta-jokes, but the subject matter made them seem serious.

    , @DCThrowback
    "comic"
  40. P.S. A very interesting thing about the Allen-Farrow case was that the files for it have been “lost” by the NY court system. A reporter went looking for them in the archives not too long ago and was told they couldn’t be located.

    The trial was in the 1990s and major news. The idea that it could be accidentally “lost” is farcical, which may make us ask: who did Allen pay to have it disappeared?

    P.P.S. Also, when did “disappear” change from an active verb (“he disappeared”) to one where passive objects can have it “happen” to them” (e.g. “make it disappeared”) ?Sorry, I don’t know the grammatically correct way to express this—I think it’s called becoming an “ergative verb”.

    • Replies: @Sabril
    The case was in Connecticut not NY and besides, family cases are normally sealed.
    , @Anonymous
    I've always thought this was associated with the Argentine generals of the sort who initiated the Falklands War. But actually this doesn't entirely answer your question, since what I'm thinking is that they got started the locution of the sort: "General R. disappeared Senor N." But that is still active. But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.
    , @(((Owen)))

    P.P.S. Also, when did “disappear” change from an active verb (“he disappeared”) to one where passive objects can have it “happen” to them” (e.g. “make it disappeared”)
     
    Disappear has always been an intransitive verb (one where the action acts on the same subject and which does not take an object). You can say "my money disappeared," but not "the money disappeared me," or "the money disappeared to me." (Actually you could say 'to me,' but not as an object of the verb, only as a prepositional phrase indicating that the action occurred in your opinion, "to me it seemed that the money disappeared.")

    But a second form came into common use from Spanish during the Cold War. Latin Americans used to kidnap or execute each other in crime and war the usual way, but after WWII the CIA and KGB started funding most Latin American wars as USA-USSR proxy fights. It was important to invent more terrifying and less traceable and more deniable means of cooperating with all that foreign money. So instead of just killing and ransoming, Latin Americans started hauling people away, locking them up or killing them, and then just denying it ever happened. It was especially popular in Argentina's Dirty War and Chile's Pinochet coup, but it happened everywhere.

    Using desaparecer to describe arrests or kidnappings where the authorities or rebels never publicly admitted what they'd done required that the word have an object. "Pinochet disappeared my husband and I cry and pray every day at the cathedral for his return." "The Sendero Luminoso disappeared my brother and I will kill every villager I find in revenge until the hole in my heart stops aching."

    You can check the Real Academia Española where the most definitive Spanish language dictionary is published. They list the transitive form as distinctly Latin American and not Peninsular Spanish. http://dle.rae.es/?w=desaparecer

    The America imported 50MM Latinos that they hurt and wronged into the country to hate the core citizens. And that's why we now have the transitive verb disappear in English.

  41. @Steve Sailer
    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.

    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.

    You’re kidding me.

    When his show on Comedy Central first came out, Nick had some advertisements on the NY subway about how his father was never around, but he’s decided to “man up” and be a dad to his kids. I didn’t know if they were serious or meta-jokes, but the subject matter made them seem serious.

  42. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    You’ve posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn’t Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    Weinstein is much more important/powerful than Spacey.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.
  43. @whorefinder
    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual. (Allen was so successful that I would buy that he is now the stereotype most Boomers have of Jews.

    In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings — the great Columbia years of the 1950s — while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    "In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings — the great Columbia years of the 1950s — while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger."

    You mean the great Capitol years of the 1950s. He was on Columbia before that, from 1943-52 and his work there was hit or miss.

    He moved to Capitol from 53-62 and recorded most of his best albums for that label. Not only did his voice mature, but his musical sound became more sophisticated because of arrangers Nelson Riddle, Billy May, and Gordon Jenkins.

    His best works there are mostly pre-rock concept LPs built around themes. They include In The Wee Small Hours (the Pet Sounds of the pre-rock generation), Songs for Swingin' Lovers, A Swingin' Affair, Sings for Only the Lonely, Come Fly With Me, Come Dance With Me, Where Are You?, No One Cares, and Nice and Easy. I personally prefer Point Of No Return to that last title, but most people don't.

    Also at Capitol, Sinatra recorded A LOT of non-LP singles and B-Sides because he preferred not to include new tunes on concept albums featuring standards. The 45s are compiled on a box set, The Capitol Singles Collection and if you're overly familiar with his classic records (as I am) some of the forgotten tracks like "Take A Chance" or "Weep They Will" will be revelations. The dude could definitely sing a tune and Nelson Riddle was a magician when it came to making instruments emote.

    , @Father O'Hara
    Allen is Jewish,obviously. He was part of the group around Sid Ceasar. I have no doubt his way was greased being one of the boys. He stole much of his inspiration from Hope,as has been discussed here. But...
    One of his bits has him as a boy playing the cello. He is bullied by some toughs. (Goyim or tough jews?)
    After submitting several times,he has enough and stands up to the bullies. Cello in hand,he demands they back off and refuses them his lunch money.
    The final line: "Surgeons labored around the clock to remove a cello..."
    Funny!
    , @guest
    One must take into account the differing ages, industries*, and, uh. ethnic milieus. But though Woody had his way with women, he never had crowds of bobbysoxers literally fainting at his mere presence.

    *Did Woody ever have someone hold a gun to a man's head to get out of a contract? Even in rumor? Would that be necessary in his line of work?

  44. @Steve Sailer
    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren't hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.

    This is one of those rare occasions when I think Steve’s lack of sleep is catching up with him.

    Ronan’s eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?

    Of course, my understanding of genetics is about at the level of Gregor Mendel growing pea plants, so I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Ronan’s eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?
     
    Dunno. I know a woman who has dark brown/black eyes who married a blue-eyed man and had two blue-eyed kids.....
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There is such a thing as colored contacts, and it's not inconceivable that a young gay man (Ronan claims he's bi) would be vain enough to wear them. Do we know Farrow's natural eye color?
  45. @European-American

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    I’m not sure if you’re joking. Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube. I read about this in a William Gibson novel, bail out, bail out!

    In reality, the cookie message is alarming in a different way. A European law requires all web sites using cookies, i.e all web sites, to ask each visitor’s permission for using cookies.

    The inflexible mindless useless idiocy of this law makes me worry about our future. The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes. But perhaps I am being too neurotic.


    With the passing of Directive 2009/136/EC, which has come to be known as the Cookie Law, the European Parliament mandated that all countries within the EU must setup laws requiring websites to obtain informed consent before they can store or retrieve information on a visitor’s computer or web-enabled device.

    In other words, if you’re in Europe and host a website that uses cookies, you are required to tell your visitors that you’re using cookies, let them know what those cookies are being used for, and get their consent before you can place cookies on their device.

    https://privacypolicies.com/blog/eu-cookie-law/
     

    The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes.

    That’s an insightful — if depressing — observation. Thanks much.

  46. “specializes in tailored solutions to complex business and litigation challenges”

    The solution is usually punching, with the occasional garroting.

    By the way, “tailored” is so downmarket. They ought to advertise themselves as curators of complex punching solutions.

    • Replies: @Thomas

    By the way, “tailored” is so downmarket. They ought to advertise themselves as curators of complex punching solutions.
     
    “Curators” is so 2015. In 2017, you do a “deep dive” into solutions.
    , @guest
    OT: Speaking of curating, I just saw the phrase "curatorial activism" on Twitter, and wanted to scream.
  47. @syonredux

    You’ve posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn’t Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?
     
    Weinstein is much more important/powerful than Spacey.

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he’s not Jewish, so he won’t slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.
     
    Fame does not equal power. Weinstein was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.
     
    The allegations surrounding them are comparable, and so far, those against Weinstin are more numerous.

    As to fame..........who cares about fame? Weinstein is more powerful - a big donor, fund-raiser, and bundler for the Democrats.

    So, most everything you said is wrong, but keep trying to divert attention away from the scandal just because you're worried that people might begin to notice things.
    , @Sabril
    Didn't you read the article? One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!
    , @Pericles

    But he’s not Jewish, so he won’t slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

     

    It's anudda shoah.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Much to my embarrassment, I'm compelled to admit that I'm too simple minded to understand what clever people like you say.

    You seem to be equating the prosecution of Weinstein for raping women and then his hiring goons to lean on the victims to be silent about his criminal acts with "bloodlust" and "baying" anti-Semitism.

    I wish that I'd gone to an Ivy League school so that I could have been around more Jewish or pro-Jewish people like you so that I could have enjoyed a first-rate education and learned to reason as you do.

    Unfortunately, when my senior adviser asked me if I wanted to pursue a graduate degree at Harvard, telling me that as a PhD from Harvard himself, he could ensure that I would be accepted, I politely declined. If I had only known then that I would have as classmates persons such as yourself from whom I could have learned so much, but alas, one makes one's choices with respect to whom one chooses to associate and the Devil take the hindmost.
    , @guest
    Bloodlust of the baying antisemites? What are they, hellhounds?

    Who's blood libeling now?
  48. @whorefinder
    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual. (Allen was so successful that I would buy that he is now the stereotype most Boomers have of Jews.

    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual.

    Of course, one should be careful about confusing the persona with the reality. The real Woody is not the nebbish that he plays in films. He’s a successful director, and, as Steve has noted, film directors are a kind of civilian version of a commanding general. Weak egos need not apply.

    As for Sinatra, he’s a lot more sensitive than one would assume from his public mask. Indeed, I tend to assume that his tough-guy posturing was a way to disguise his true self, to make people think that he was harder than he really was.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was "tough enough to handle it."
  49. @Cagey Beast
    Yes when compared to Yaphet Kotto or Idi Amin, Woody Allen and Frank Sinatra look nearly identical.

    Yaphet Kotto is supposed to be half Italian in the TV show Homicide. Ergo, Ronan Farrow is Frank Sinatra’s son … or he’s a fatherless Ronan.

  50. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    You think going after homos (not that way) doesn’t rile us up?

    The Homo Question is indeed important .

    • Replies: @NOTA
    The Spacey story is pretty standard Hollywood scandal material--*yawn*. Weinstein hiring ex-Mossad spies to intimidate and shut down his victims who wanted to reveal his crimes, and reporters who wanted to talk to them, is like a million times as interesting. Not because of Weinstein and his golden casting couch, but because it shows us some mechanisms that powerful people use to shut down people who want to cause them trouble, including journalists.
  51. Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/06/report-kevin-spacey-enters-sex-addiction-rehab-clinic

    I can understand why Spacey is at a same-sex addiction clinic but why is Weinstein there?

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @EdwardM
    It's a full-service sex-addiction clinic.
    , @Clyde

    Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein
     
    Birds of a feather want to flock together to exchange tips and tricks.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, I'm waiting for a tie in to Tiger Woods, another sex addict.
  52. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.

    Fame does not equal power. Weinstein was one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.

  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is one of those rare occasions when I think Steve's lack of sleep is catching up with him.

    Ronan's eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?

    Of course, my understanding of genetics is about at the level of Gregor Mendel growing pea plants, so I could be wrong.

    Ronan’s eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?

    Dunno. I know a woman who has dark brown/black eyes who married a blue-eyed man and had two blue-eyed kids…..

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.

    I just think it's a stretch to say that Allen and Sinatra don't look all that different. It's kind of like saying Noam Chomsky is a great man. (That's the only other instance that prompted an incredulous reaction like this from me.)
    , @Steve Sailer
    Paul Newman had extremely blue eyes.
  54. @syonredux

    Ronan’s eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?
     
    Dunno. I know a woman who has dark brown/black eyes who married a blue-eyed man and had two blue-eyed kids.....

    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.

    I just think it’s a stretch to say that Allen and Sinatra don’t look all that different. It’s kind of like saying Noam Chomsky is a great man. (That’s the only other instance that prompted an incredulous reaction like this from me.)

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.
     
    Yeah, that's my point. Even someone with very dark eyes can carry the gene for blue eyes...
    , @anonymouslee
    Noam Chomsky is the greatest living intellectual and a moral exemplar in his personal life.

    He clears the "great man" hurdle pretty easily.
  55. Frank Sinatra would be proud of Ronan Farrow for having the guts to chronicle the things he has. Don Henley is a liberal, but I’ve enjoyed his music. Ronan Farrow is a liberal, but I appreciate his courage.

    • Replies: @Sabril
    Yes but it's so rare to meet a principled liberal these days that you have to wonder. Perhaps Ronan is secretly funded by Tehran. (I keed!)
    , @Alec Leamas

    Don Henley is a liberal, but I’ve enjoyed his music.
     
    How about his Chili recipe?

    http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/bin/show_recipe.cgi?chili+recipe124
  56. @syonredux

    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual.
     
    Of course, one should be careful about confusing the persona with the reality. The real Woody is not the nebbish that he plays in films. He's a successful director, and, as Steve has noted, film directors are a kind of civilian version of a commanding general. Weak egos need not apply.

    As for Sinatra, he's a lot more sensitive than one would assume from his public mask. Indeed, I tend to assume that his tough-guy posturing was a way to disguise his true self, to make people think that he was harder than he really was.

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”
     
    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner.....

    Ava stormed off, phoned her ex-husband, Artie Shaw, and arranged to see him at his flat. Before leaving, she provocatively left her address book open at the page containing his address.


    Nothing, she knew, was more likely to inflame Sinatra’s jealousy. And, sure enough, 20 minutes after she’d arrived at Artie’s, her lover showed up. As Ava told it afterwards, he looked like a hoodlum in his raincoat and trilby, with his hands deep in his pockets as though clutching a revolver.
    His eyes swept the room and found Ava sitting in a chair with a drink in her hand, looking smug.
    Suddenly deflated, he turned around and walked out of the door, without saying a word.



    Half an hour later, Ava returned to the hotel suite she was sharing with Sinatra, kicked off her heels and began to drift off. Suddenly, she was awakened by the phone: it was her lover calling from the other bedroom.
    ‘I can’t stand it any more,’ he said, sounding desperate. ‘I’m gonna kill myself. Right now.’
    There were two loud shots. Ava screamed and ran into his bedroom. Sinatra was lying on the floor with his eyes closed, a gun smoking in his hand.

     


    Soon afterwards, she left to make a film, Pandora And The Flying Dutchman, in Spain. This provided both a welcome breather from Sinatra’s theatrics and a rather dashing Spanish matador-turned-actor, Mario Cabré, who was playing her bullfighter-lover.
    ‘After one of those romantic, star-filled, dance-filled, booze-filled Spanish nights, I woke up to find myself in bed with him,’ she would later confess.
    Of course, the fling with Mario wasn’t serious — but the ex-bullfighter used it to generate publicity for his career. ‘I am in love with her,’ he said in a prepared statement. ‘This is pure love.’
    Back in the U.S., the Press reports drove Sinatra, now aged 34, to the brink of despair.
    One thing was clear: Sinatra needed Ava more than she needed him.

     


    Later that evening, they had a row about the definition of commitment. ‘If you ever treat me the way you’ve treated Nancy,’ Ava warned him, ‘I’ll kill you.’
    Sinatra told Ava she was ‘nothing but a whore’. In response, she ran barefoot out into the dark night.
    Her maid, Rene, found her later, sobbing and about to wade into the lake. After being escorted back to her room, Ava decided to leave: she ended up driving at 100mph all the way to her home in Los Angeles.
    She’d been there only 15 minutes when the phone rang. It was Sinatra’s manager. ‘Frank took an overdose of sleeping pills,’ he told her. ‘The doctor’s here. He doesn’t think he’ll make it.’
    Apparently, when Frank realised that Ava had left, he’d swallowed a handful of sleeping pills. Fortunately, he’d been found by his valet a few hours later.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183414/How-cold-steel-Ava-Gardner-drove-Sinatra-try-kill-TWICE-Two-abortions-smoking-gin-Told-time-story-Old-Blue-Eyes-greatest-fatal-obsession.html
  57. @Anonymous
    He hosted an unsuccessful, short lived show on MSNBC. His voice and mannerisms are quite effeminate. It's hard to believe that he's Sinatra's son. Or Woody's for that matter. I suspect that he's the product of some other random guy Mia Farrow was screwing, but that she threw out the name of a notable figure like Sinatra that she had hooked up with and that was plausible enough. Farrow did get around back in the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHoOkskbwz8

    That’s Old Blue Eyes on Progtardism.

    Sad but true.

    • Replies: @Anon
    You obviously don't know a thing about Sinatra's very pink politics. Take a look at "The House Where I Live" on YouTube, or read about the Hollywood 10. And, um, JFK ring a bell? Ringading ding!
  58. Boies, among much else in a busy life,

    He’s just inched back ahead of Gorelick.

  59. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.

    The allegations surrounding them are comparable, and so far, those against Weinstin are more numerous.

    As to fame……….who cares about fame? Weinstein is more powerful – a big donor, fund-raiser, and bundler for the Democrats.

    So, most everything you said is wrong, but keep trying to divert attention away from the scandal just because you’re worried that people might begin to notice things.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm noticing that you don't like the idea of noticing Spacey's predilections. I wonder why.....
  60. ot- sort of
    Am I the only one who remembers the Josh Whelan scandal. Before the Harvey scandal, he was the big story. Whelan was the creator of Buffy the vamp slayer, Firefly, Dollhouse and a number of movies. Whelan tearfully confessed that he bedded most or all of the female actresses. Fans I know where taking bets on who he did and din’t do. Since he is a feminist male, I guess that is allowed to slide by.
    When they list a bad guys, he is never mentioned.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    Joss Whedon, not Josh Whelan. And thus far, the allegations have largely amounted to accusations of infidelity by an angry ex-wife. Tawdry, but not at all on the same level as Weinstein’s predation.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Presumably, you're referring to Joss Whedon. The difference there was that Whedon wasn't (AFAIK) accused of sexually assaulting anyone, just having consensual affairs with his actresses while posing as a feminist champion.
  61. @Father O'Hara
    Do Harvey get his money back?

    “Do[es] Harvey get his money back?”

    I too have wondered this. Hush money is payment for a non-disclosure agreement. If the hushee violates the NDA, must she return (with interest) the hush money? Surely this is settled law. Lawyerly explication welcome.

    • Replies: @Thomas

    I too have wondered this. Hush money is payment for a non-disclosure agreement. If the hushee violates the NDA, must she return (with interest) the hush money? Surely this is settled law. Lawyerly explication welcome.
     
    Depends on what’s being hushed up and how. An NDA covering conduct that amounts to a felony is pretty much unenforceable anywhere. Employment and labor laws (in particular, the federal Wagner Act) put limitations as well on agreements that limit concerted action (e.g., employees sharing complaints) or raising grievances (such as dealing with workplace harassment). There are a numbers of holes (or potential defenses) that would almost certainly be at issue, in other words.

    Harvey and his lawyers were most likely using the NDAs and hush money as a scare tactic and means to later discredit potential complainants, more than counting on their enforceability. He was known for being cheap on this front: low six-figures supposedly to Rose McGowan for what she now alleges was a rape is peanuts compared to what Fox News had to pay for Bill O’Reilly’s sexual harassment, and his other settlements were in the same range. My take is the lowball payments were in part because they knew they weren’t getting much for their money.
  62. @IHTG
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/DeanDeChiaro/status/927709942185852929

    WTF. Trump took office in January 2017. Why is it taking two years just to get started on basic agenda items? He’s been extending TPS for illegal aliens for Haiti, El Salvador, and Honduras for two years already. And the DACAs got a two year extension, too.

    And he’s only been in office for ten months. It’s going to get worse from here. Expect a hailstorm of cucking before 2020.

    • Troll: IHTG
  63. @whorefinder
    P.S. A very interesting thing about the Allen-Farrow case was that the files for it have been "lost" by the NY court system. A reporter went looking for them in the archives not too long ago and was told they couldn't be located.

    The trial was in the 1990s and major news. The idea that it could be accidentally "lost" is farcical, which may make us ask: who did Allen pay to have it disappeared?

    P.P.S. Also, when did "disappear" change from an active verb ("he disappeared") to one where passive objects can have it "happen" to them" (e.g. "make it disappeared") ?Sorry, I don't know the grammatically correct way to express this---I think it's called becoming an "ergative verb".

    The case was in Connecticut not NY and besides, family cases are normally sealed.

  64. @Mr. Anon

    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.
     
    The allegations surrounding them are comparable, and so far, those against Weinstin are more numerous.

    As to fame..........who cares about fame? Weinstein is more powerful - a big donor, fund-raiser, and bundler for the Democrats.

    So, most everything you said is wrong, but keep trying to divert attention away from the scandal just because you're worried that people might begin to notice things.

    I’m noticing that you don’t like the idea of noticing Spacey’s predilections. I wonder why…..

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Sure - homo-insinuations. You know who likes to make those, don't you? Homos. So what should we conclude about you?

    I have no problem noticing Spacey's improprieties (or even crimes). Notice away. Prosecute away. Hollywood is a cesspool. Let it all burn.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Have you taken note of the many allegations and suspicions about Bryan Singer? If not, may we wonder why?
  65. @David In TN
    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was "tough enough to handle it."

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”

    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner…..

    Ava stormed off, phoned her ex-husband, Artie Shaw, and arranged to see him at his flat. Before leaving, she provocatively left her address book open at the page containing his address.

    Nothing, she knew, was more likely to inflame Sinatra’s jealousy. And, sure enough, 20 minutes after she’d arrived at Artie’s, her lover showed up. As Ava told it afterwards, he looked like a hoodlum in his raincoat and trilby, with his hands deep in his pockets as though clutching a revolver.
    His eyes swept the room and found Ava sitting in a chair with a drink in her hand, looking smug.
    Suddenly deflated, he turned around and walked out of the door, without saying a word.

    Half an hour later, Ava returned to the hotel suite she was sharing with Sinatra, kicked off her heels and began to drift off. Suddenly, she was awakened by the phone: it was her lover calling from the other bedroom.
    ‘I can’t stand it any more,’ he said, sounding desperate. ‘I’m gonna kill myself. Right now.’
    There were two loud shots. Ava screamed and ran into his bedroom. Sinatra was lying on the floor with his eyes closed, a gun smoking in his hand.

    Soon afterwards, she left to make a film, Pandora And The Flying Dutchman, in Spain. This provided both a welcome breather from Sinatra’s theatrics and a rather dashing Spanish matador-turned-actor, Mario Cabré, who was playing her bullfighter-lover.
    ‘After one of those romantic, star-filled, dance-filled, booze-filled Spanish nights, I woke up to find myself in bed with him,’ she would later confess.
    Of course, the fling with Mario wasn’t serious — but the ex-bullfighter used it to generate publicity for his career. ‘I am in love with her,’ he said in a prepared statement. ‘This is pure love.’
    Back in the U.S., the Press reports drove Sinatra, now aged 34, to the brink of despair.
    One thing was clear: Sinatra needed Ava more than she needed him.

    Later that evening, they had a row about the definition of commitment. ‘If you ever treat me the way you’ve treated Nancy,’ Ava warned him, ‘I’ll kill you.’
    Sinatra told Ava she was ‘nothing but a whore’. In response, she ran barefoot out into the dark night.
    Her maid, Rene, found her later, sobbing and about to wade into the lake. After being escorted back to her room, Ava decided to leave: she ended up driving at 100mph all the way to her home in Los Angeles.
    She’d been there only 15 minutes when the phone rang. It was Sinatra’s manager. ‘Frank took an overdose of sleeping pills,’ he told her. ‘The doctor’s here. He doesn’t think he’ll make it.’
    Apparently, when Frank realised that Ava had left, he’d swallowed a handful of sleeping pills. Fortunately, he’d been found by his valet a few hours later.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183414/How-cold-steel-Ava-Gardner-drove-Sinatra-try-kill-TWICE-Two-abortions-smoking-gin-Told-time-story-Old-Blue-Eyes-greatest-fatal-obsession.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner…..
     
    He made a fool of himself over Cole Porter as well, when he was starting out. Porter wanted to check this new singer out, and slipped into a New Jersey club and watched from the rear. Someone recognized him, and word was passed to Sinatra, who announced Porter's presence to the audience with profuse and extended praise. Porter was mortified.

    But the clueless Sinatra read Porter's obvious WASP reticence quite differently. He would say "That's when I knew he was a snob."

    A bit of projection there.
    , @David In TN
    The kidnapping of Frank Jr, was of greater consequence than Frank Sr.'s domestic trouble with Ava Gardner by a considerable margin.
  66. @Buzz Mohawk
    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.

    I just think it's a stretch to say that Allen and Sinatra don't look all that different. It's kind of like saying Noam Chomsky is a great man. (That's the only other instance that prompted an incredulous reaction like this from me.)

    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.

    Yeah, that’s my point. Even someone with very dark eyes can carry the gene for blue eyes…

  67. @notice
    Frank Sinatra would be proud of Ronan Farrow for having the guts to chronicle the things he has. Don Henley is a liberal, but I've enjoyed his music. Ronan Farrow is a liberal, but I appreciate his courage.

    Yes but it’s so rare to meet a principled liberal these days that you have to wonder. Perhaps Ronan is secretly funded by Tehran. (I keed!)

  68. @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    “The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan’s true father.”

    In this day and age, wouldn’t it be pretty easy to settle the paternity of any famous person (e.g., Chelsea H. Clinton)? If the TV show “Forensic Files” is to be believed, all you need is a recently drunken-from paper cup or recently chewed-on hamburger. But maybe the press is restrained by sympathy for the child of misbehaving parents.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    My guess is either Sinatra's estate won't let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.
  69. @Steve Sailer
    In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings -- the great Columbia years of the 1950s -- while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.

    “In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings — the great Columbia years of the 1950s — while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.”

    You mean the great Capitol years of the 1950s. He was on Columbia before that, from 1943-52 and his work there was hit or miss.

    He moved to Capitol from 53-62 and recorded most of his best albums for that label. Not only did his voice mature, but his musical sound became more sophisticated because of arrangers Nelson Riddle, Billy May, and Gordon Jenkins.

    His best works there are mostly pre-rock concept LPs built around themes. They include In The Wee Small Hours (the Pet Sounds of the pre-rock generation), Songs for Swingin’ Lovers, A Swingin’ Affair, Sings for Only the Lonely, Come Fly With Me, Come Dance With Me, Where Are You?, No One Cares, and Nice and Easy. I personally prefer Point Of No Return to that last title, but most people don’t.

    Also at Capitol, Sinatra recorded A LOT of non-LP singles and B-Sides because he preferred not to include new tunes on concept albums featuring standards. The 45s are compiled on a box set, The Capitol Singles Collection and if you’re overly familiar with his classic records (as I am) some of the forgotten tracks like “Take A Chance” or “Weep They Will” will be revelations. The dude could definitely sing a tune and Nelson Riddle was a magician when it came to making instruments emote.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    P.S. A very interesting thing about the Allen-Farrow case was that the files for it have been "lost" by the NY court system. A reporter went looking for them in the archives not too long ago and was told they couldn't be located.

    The trial was in the 1990s and major news. The idea that it could be accidentally "lost" is farcical, which may make us ask: who did Allen pay to have it disappeared?

    P.P.S. Also, when did "disappear" change from an active verb ("he disappeared") to one where passive objects can have it "happen" to them" (e.g. "make it disappeared") ?Sorry, I don't know the grammatically correct way to express this---I think it's called becoming an "ergative verb".

    I’ve always thought this was associated with the Argentine generals of the sort who initiated the Falklands War. But actually this doesn’t entirely answer your question, since what I’m thinking is that they got started the locution of the sort: “General R. disappeared Senor N.” But that is still active. But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    It's used that way in "Catch-22." One of the nurses tells Yossarian "they're going to disappear" a character, who by the end of the chapter is "nowhere to be found."
    , @Thomas

    But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.
     
    In Spanish, it’s easy to derive a noun from a verb to denote that it’s the object of that verb. In the Argentine case, the phrase that arose was “ser desaparecido,” “to be disappeared.”
  71. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    Didn’t you read the article? One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!

    • Replies: @Pericles

    One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!

     

    You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
  72. @whorefinder
    P.S. A very interesting thing about the Allen-Farrow case was that the files for it have been "lost" by the NY court system. A reporter went looking for them in the archives not too long ago and was told they couldn't be located.

    The trial was in the 1990s and major news. The idea that it could be accidentally "lost" is farcical, which may make us ask: who did Allen pay to have it disappeared?

    P.P.S. Also, when did "disappear" change from an active verb ("he disappeared") to one where passive objects can have it "happen" to them" (e.g. "make it disappeared") ?Sorry, I don't know the grammatically correct way to express this---I think it's called becoming an "ergative verb".

    P.P.S. Also, when did “disappear” change from an active verb (“he disappeared”) to one where passive objects can have it “happen” to them” (e.g. “make it disappeared”)

    Disappear has always been an intransitive verb (one where the action acts on the same subject and which does not take an object). You can say “my money disappeared,” but not “the money disappeared me,” or “the money disappeared to me.” (Actually you could say ‘to me,’ but not as an object of the verb, only as a prepositional phrase indicating that the action occurred in your opinion, “to me it seemed that the money disappeared.”)

    But a second form came into common use from Spanish during the Cold War. Latin Americans used to kidnap or execute each other in crime and war the usual way, but after WWII the CIA and KGB started funding most Latin American wars as USA-USSR proxy fights. It was important to invent more terrifying and less traceable and more deniable means of cooperating with all that foreign money. So instead of just killing and ransoming, Latin Americans started hauling people away, locking them up or killing them, and then just denying it ever happened. It was especially popular in Argentina’s Dirty War and Chile’s Pinochet coup, but it happened everywhere.

    Using desaparecer to describe arrests or kidnappings where the authorities or rebels never publicly admitted what they’d done required that the word have an object. “Pinochet disappeared my husband and I cry and pray every day at the cathedral for his return.” “The Sendero Luminoso disappeared my brother and I will kill every villager I find in revenge until the hole in my heart stops aching.”

    You can check the Real Academia Española where the most definitive Spanish language dictionary is published. They list the transitive form as distinctly Latin American and not Peninsular Spanish. http://dle.rae.es/?w=desaparecer

    The America imported 50MM Latinos that they hurt and wronged into the country to hate the core citizens. And that’s why we now have the transitive verb disappear in English.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Thank you.
    , @Anonymous
    I would not be the least bit surprised if "native white Americans", on the whole, know more about the Chilean, Argentinian and Peruvian events than the "Latinos" who have arrived in recent decades. Chile and Argentina are mostly "white", and the Peruvian elite is certainly pretty white, I think. They might all seem pretty exotic to the campus leftists of the late 20th century, but I don't recent Mexican arrivals know anything about them at all.
  73. @whorefinder
    David Boies is a Dem power player whose name should be known better, for many reasons.

    -Major league trial attorney; he broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.

    -Hot head diva. He was a big name at a big law firm in NYC, but when one client objected to their representing another major client, Boies left the firm in a huff and started his own law firm out of his house in Westchester---msotly so he wouldn't have to commute.

    -Argued Bush v. Gore for Gore.

    -Represented Michael Moore as part of one of his documentaries.

    -Big Weinstein guy. It was Boies who paid off the Manhattan DA with a campaign donation in return for not prosecuting Weinstein a few years back.

    We can conclude Boies is probably neck deep in a lot of D politics. He should be watched. Closely.

    Whorefinder writes, “David Boies … broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.”

    Wow, that sounds dramatic; I’d like to read about Boies’s Perry Mason moment. I wonder why the name “Boies” does not appear in
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmoreland_v._CBS

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    He was the head of the legal team for CBS on the case: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/31/nyregion/westmoreland-v-cbs-legal-drama-intensified-by-2-contrasting-lawyers.html?pagewanted=all

    After Boies cross-examined Westmoreland, Westmoreland dropped the case:

    With Westmoreland on the stand, he had to pull off the far more delicate mission of showing that the general had lied, but without generating undue sympathy for a man of great rectitude and patriotism. It was, said Boies, a “say it ain’t so” cross-examination, one in which it was crucial that the jury grow suspicious of Westmoreland before Boies homed in—gently, gently—himself. Just as Boies was wrapping up his defense, the general dropped his case.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2000/03/microsoft-200003

    Here's a more detailed version of Boies's cross of Westmoreland (sympathetic to Boies), beginning on roughly page 60:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=zdpnERJeQ1MC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=david+boies+west+moreland+lick+lips&source=bl&ots=QTWvRQXoQ1&sig=FPxJ4Z8F7czL_xnFKhixku1dVVU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGgNLT_KvXAhVH7yYKHRGsD-gQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=westmoreland&f=false
  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    Steve is a very nice guy. I don't presume to speak for him, of course. But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey's situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein's, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    (different Anon)
    I think that seems on the mark, but I’ll go further. Weinstein seems to be genuinely “getting off” on the abuse as such. The degradation is part of what he wants. By contrast, for Spacey it seems that the “abuse” is a means to an end, and he really wants some emotional connection.

    Of course the other part of this is that Weinstein seems to have been, for some time, an utterly central figure in Hollywood, one pillar of the world order, which might now be completing imploding…

    I’m feeling giddy.

  75. @(((Owen)))

    P.P.S. Also, when did “disappear” change from an active verb (“he disappeared”) to one where passive objects can have it “happen” to them” (e.g. “make it disappeared”)
     
    Disappear has always been an intransitive verb (one where the action acts on the same subject and which does not take an object). You can say "my money disappeared," but not "the money disappeared me," or "the money disappeared to me." (Actually you could say 'to me,' but not as an object of the verb, only as a prepositional phrase indicating that the action occurred in your opinion, "to me it seemed that the money disappeared.")

    But a second form came into common use from Spanish during the Cold War. Latin Americans used to kidnap or execute each other in crime and war the usual way, but after WWII the CIA and KGB started funding most Latin American wars as USA-USSR proxy fights. It was important to invent more terrifying and less traceable and more deniable means of cooperating with all that foreign money. So instead of just killing and ransoming, Latin Americans started hauling people away, locking them up or killing them, and then just denying it ever happened. It was especially popular in Argentina's Dirty War and Chile's Pinochet coup, but it happened everywhere.

    Using desaparecer to describe arrests or kidnappings where the authorities or rebels never publicly admitted what they'd done required that the word have an object. "Pinochet disappeared my husband and I cry and pray every day at the cathedral for his return." "The Sendero Luminoso disappeared my brother and I will kill every villager I find in revenge until the hole in my heart stops aching."

    You can check the Real Academia Española where the most definitive Spanish language dictionary is published. They list the transitive form as distinctly Latin American and not Peninsular Spanish. http://dle.rae.es/?w=desaparecer

    The America imported 50MM Latinos that they hurt and wronged into the country to hate the core citizens. And that's why we now have the transitive verb disappear in English.

    Thank you.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive. Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.
     
    She was not that popular. Just a constant presence due to having parents in the business and sheer longevity. She was acting early on. I never thought much of her. Also her short marriage to Frank at age 25 got her lots of visibility and "fame".
    , @syonredux

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.
     
    She's got some good performances to her credit. Polanski used her fragility to good effect in Rosemary's Baby. And she was outstanding as the waitress torn between dreary reality and glittering fantasy in The Purple Rose of Cairo*. As for her looks, chacun à son goût. I thought that peak Mia was quite pretty, albeit in a delicate, porcelain doll way.


    *For my money, Woody Allen's best film. Of course, it is a tad derivative of Buster Keaton's Sherlock,jr....
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    She was part of the zeitgeist in a time of big cultural shifts. She came from a glamorous Hollywood family, had an uncommon ethereal beauty (as did her sister Tisa), and with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.
  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @(((Owen)))

    P.P.S. Also, when did “disappear” change from an active verb (“he disappeared”) to one where passive objects can have it “happen” to them” (e.g. “make it disappeared”)
     
    Disappear has always been an intransitive verb (one where the action acts on the same subject and which does not take an object). You can say "my money disappeared," but not "the money disappeared me," or "the money disappeared to me." (Actually you could say 'to me,' but not as an object of the verb, only as a prepositional phrase indicating that the action occurred in your opinion, "to me it seemed that the money disappeared.")

    But a second form came into common use from Spanish during the Cold War. Latin Americans used to kidnap or execute each other in crime and war the usual way, but after WWII the CIA and KGB started funding most Latin American wars as USA-USSR proxy fights. It was important to invent more terrifying and less traceable and more deniable means of cooperating with all that foreign money. So instead of just killing and ransoming, Latin Americans started hauling people away, locking them up or killing them, and then just denying it ever happened. It was especially popular in Argentina's Dirty War and Chile's Pinochet coup, but it happened everywhere.

    Using desaparecer to describe arrests or kidnappings where the authorities or rebels never publicly admitted what they'd done required that the word have an object. "Pinochet disappeared my husband and I cry and pray every day at the cathedral for his return." "The Sendero Luminoso disappeared my brother and I will kill every villager I find in revenge until the hole in my heart stops aching."

    You can check the Real Academia Española where the most definitive Spanish language dictionary is published. They list the transitive form as distinctly Latin American and not Peninsular Spanish. http://dle.rae.es/?w=desaparecer

    The America imported 50MM Latinos that they hurt and wronged into the country to hate the core citizens. And that's why we now have the transitive verb disappear in English.

    I would not be the least bit surprised if “native white Americans”, on the whole, know more about the Chilean, Argentinian and Peruvian events than the “Latinos” who have arrived in recent decades. Chile and Argentina are mostly “white”, and the Peruvian elite is certainly pretty white, I think. They might all seem pretty exotic to the campus leftists of the late 20th century, but I don’t recent Mexican arrivals know anything about them at all.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    There's enough disappearing in Mexico and Central America to make the usage familiar there. It's just not the epicenter of disappearing that created the word in the first place. Words migrate fast among nations that share a language.
  78. @Anonymous
    I've always thought this was associated with the Argentine generals of the sort who initiated the Falklands War. But actually this doesn't entirely answer your question, since what I'm thinking is that they got started the locution of the sort: "General R. disappeared Senor N." But that is still active. But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.

    It’s used that way in “Catch-22.” One of the nurses tells Yossarian “they’re going to disappear” a character, who by the end of the chapter is “nowhere to be found.”

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    Yossarian complains that the usage is obscure in Catch-22 (1961). OED cites rare usages back to the 1800s. But the usage became common in the 1970s because of Latin American dirty wars.

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=disappear+him%2Cdisappear+them%2Cdisappeared+him%2C+disappeared+them&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdisappear%20him%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdisappear%20them%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdisappeared%20him%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdisappeared%20them%3B%2Cc0

  79. @Buzz Mohawk
    Then the woman has recessive genes for blue eyes. Perhaps Woody Allen does too.

    I just think it's a stretch to say that Allen and Sinatra don't look all that different. It's kind of like saying Noam Chomsky is a great man. (That's the only other instance that prompted an incredulous reaction like this from me.)

    Noam Chomsky is the greatest living intellectual and a moral exemplar in his personal life.

    He clears the “great man” hurdle pretty easily.

    • LOL: Clyde
  80. All this stuff is way more dramatic than any of Weiny’s movies. Holy moly, the only people who could do it justice are the folks at Lifetime Channel (which I refuse to watch).

    • Replies: @Kylie
    I used to love watching The Lifetime Movie Network before I gave up cable. Much funnier than anything put out by Comedy Central or SNL. It reliably offered any number of "so bad it's good" movies. And Tracey Gold, Kellie Martin, Tori Spelling, Judith Light and my personal favorite, Meredith Baxter, could always be counted to entertain with their earnest emoting.
  81. “Boies, among much else in a busy life, represented Elizabeth Holmes’ Theranos in attempting to shut down the WSJ’s outstanding investigation of that Women-in-Tech fraud firm.”

    The word “outstanding” here is ambiguous. It could mean either (1) excellent, or (2) in progress. Was the ambiguity deliberate? Another such word is “apparent”, which could mean either (1) seeming, or (2) obvious. See also
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym

  82. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    You might also ask why Steve hasn’t talked about Bret Ratner, who is also Jewish and been accused of similar bad behavior. Because Ratner and Space have far fewer accusers coming forward and their political influence is far lesser than Democrat mega-donor and mega-player and self-proclaimed “Clinton White House Projectionist” Harvey Weinstein.

    But nice try, troll.

  83. @Anonymous
    I would not be the least bit surprised if "native white Americans", on the whole, know more about the Chilean, Argentinian and Peruvian events than the "Latinos" who have arrived in recent decades. Chile and Argentina are mostly "white", and the Peruvian elite is certainly pretty white, I think. They might all seem pretty exotic to the campus leftists of the late 20th century, but I don't recent Mexican arrivals know anything about them at all.

    There’s enough disappearing in Mexico and Central America to make the usage familiar there. It’s just not the epicenter of disappearing that created the word in the first place. Words migrate fast among nations that share a language.

  84. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan’s true father."

    In this day and age, wouldn't it be pretty easy to settle the paternity of any famous person (e.g., Chelsea H. Clinton)? If the TV show "Forensic Files" is to be believed, all you need is a recently drunken-from paper cup or recently chewed-on hamburger. But maybe the press is restrained by sympathy for the child of misbehaving parents.

    My guess is either Sinatra’s estate won’t let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    Agreed. Remember his mother, not him, has made the claim. He knows the truth and does not need to say anything.
    , @syonredux

    My guess is either Sinatra’s estate won’t let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.
     
    Could be. Cf British director Matthew Vaughn, who grew up thinking that Robert Vaughn was his father. Then he got a DNA test and found out that his dad was George Albert Harley de Vere Drummond. Perhaps Ronan is afraid of definitive results.......
  85. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    Spacey did not have Mossad intimidating his victims.

  86. @Rosamond Vincy
    It's used that way in "Catch-22." One of the nurses tells Yossarian "they're going to disappear" a character, who by the end of the chapter is "nowhere to be found."
  87. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Whorefinder writes, "David Boies ... broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel."

    Wow, that sounds dramatic; I'd like to read about Boies's Perry Mason moment. I wonder why the name "Boies" does not appear in
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmoreland_v._CBS

    He was the head of the legal team for CBS on the case: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/05/31/nyregion/westmoreland-v-cbs-legal-drama-intensified-by-2-contrasting-lawyers.html?pagewanted=all

    After Boies cross-examined Westmoreland, Westmoreland dropped the case:

    With Westmoreland on the stand, he had to pull off the far more delicate mission of showing that the general had lied, but without generating undue sympathy for a man of great rectitude and patriotism. It was, said Boies, a “say it ain’t so” cross-examination, one in which it was crucial that the jury grow suspicious of Westmoreland before Boies homed in—gently, gently—himself. Just as Boies was wrapping up his defense, the general dropped his case.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2000/03/microsoft-200003

    Here’s a more detailed version of Boies’s cross of Westmoreland (sympathetic to Boies), beginning on roughly page 60:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=zdpnERJeQ1MC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=david+boies+west+moreland+lick+lips&source=bl&ots=QTWvRQXoQ1&sig=FPxJ4Z8F7czL_xnFKhixku1dVVU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGgNLT_KvXAhVH7yYKHRGsD-gQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=westmoreland&f=false

  88. @guest
    "specializes in tailored solutions to complex business and litigation challenges"

    The solution is usually punching, with the occasional garroting.

    By the way, "tailored" is so downmarket. They ought to advertise themselves as curators of complex punching solutions.

    By the way, “tailored” is so downmarket. They ought to advertise themselves as curators of complex punching solutions.

    “Curators” is so 2015. In 2017, you do a “deep dive” into solutions.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    Frank Sinatra and Woody Allen aren't hugely different looking, they just went in different directions in terms of dressing in tuxedos vs. looking like an NYU math major.

    Sinatra has a much rounder head shape, Woody’s is more elongated and angular. Ronan’s head looks smallish and round, hence I favor the Sinatra theory.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    http://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frankronanwoody.jpg
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Ronan is good-looking, and Allen is ugly as homemade sin, so I favor the Sinatra theory too.
    I sincerely hope his bio father WAS Sinatra, as I'm sure he does too. Sinatra was a slut-puppy thug, but not a perv. Allen is sick trash. He stopped working with a teenaged Mariel Hemingway when she turned down his invitation to go to Europe unless they had separate hotel rooms.
  90. @flyingtiger
    ot- sort of
    Am I the only one who remembers the Josh Whelan scandal. Before the Harvey scandal, he was the big story. Whelan was the creator of Buffy the vamp slayer, Firefly, Dollhouse and a number of movies. Whelan tearfully confessed that he bedded most or all of the female actresses. Fans I know where taking bets on who he did and din't do. Since he is a feminist male, I guess that is allowed to slide by.
    When they list a bad guys, he is never mentioned.

    Joss Whedon, not Josh Whelan. And thus far, the allegations have largely amounted to accusations of infidelity by an angry ex-wife. Tawdry, but not at all on the same level as Weinstein’s predation.

  91. @flyingtiger
    ot- sort of
    Am I the only one who remembers the Josh Whelan scandal. Before the Harvey scandal, he was the big story. Whelan was the creator of Buffy the vamp slayer, Firefly, Dollhouse and a number of movies. Whelan tearfully confessed that he bedded most or all of the female actresses. Fans I know where taking bets on who he did and din't do. Since he is a feminist male, I guess that is allowed to slide by.
    When they list a bad guys, he is never mentioned.

    Presumably, you’re referring to Joss Whedon. The difference there was that Whedon wasn’t (AFAIK) accused of sexually assaulting anyone, just having consensual affairs with his actresses while posing as a feminist champion.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    Good point. Many of Harvey's accusers claim that he was crude and vulgar. If he had brought flowers it would have been different.
  92. @Lloyd1927
    I'm inclined to believe in Sinatra's paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen's genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?

    He really just looks like his mother.

  93. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Do[es] Harvey get his money back?"

    I too have wondered this. Hush money is payment for a non-disclosure agreement. If the hushee violates the NDA, must she return (with interest) the hush money? Surely this is settled law. Lawyerly explication welcome.

    I too have wondered this. Hush money is payment for a non-disclosure agreement. If the hushee violates the NDA, must she return (with interest) the hush money? Surely this is settled law. Lawyerly explication welcome.

    Depends on what’s being hushed up and how. An NDA covering conduct that amounts to a felony is pretty much unenforceable anywhere. Employment and labor laws (in particular, the federal Wagner Act) put limitations as well on agreements that limit concerted action (e.g., employees sharing complaints) or raising grievances (such as dealing with workplace harassment). There are a numbers of holes (or potential defenses) that would almost certainly be at issue, in other words.

    Harvey and his lawyers were most likely using the NDAs and hush money as a scare tactic and means to later discredit potential complainants, more than counting on their enforceability. He was known for being cheap on this front: low six-figures supposedly to Rose McGowan for what she now alleges was a rape is peanuts compared to what Fox News had to pay for Bill O’Reilly’s sexual harassment, and his other settlements were in the same range. My take is the lowball payments were in part because they knew they weren’t getting much for their money.

  94. @Anonymous
    I've always thought this was associated with the Argentine generals of the sort who initiated the Falklands War. But actually this doesn't entirely answer your question, since what I'm thinking is that they got started the locution of the sort: "General R. disappeared Senor N." But that is still active. But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.

    But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.

    In Spanish, it’s easy to derive a noun from a verb to denote that it’s the object of that verb. In the Argentine case, the phrase that arose was “ser desaparecido,” “to be disappeared.”

    • Replies: @Not That Miami
    I first recall reading it in stories about paramilitary death squads in 1980s El Salvador.
  95. @syonredux

    Ronan’s eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?
     
    Dunno. I know a woman who has dark brown/black eyes who married a blue-eyed man and had two blue-eyed kids.....

    Paul Newman had extremely blue eyes.

  96. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    But he’s not Jewish, so he won’t slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    It’s anudda shoah.

  97. @European-American

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    I’m not sure if you’re joking. Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube. I read about this in a William Gibson novel, bail out, bail out!

    In reality, the cookie message is alarming in a different way. A European law requires all web sites using cookies, i.e all web sites, to ask each visitor’s permission for using cookies.

    The inflexible mindless useless idiocy of this law makes me worry about our future. The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes. But perhaps I am being too neurotic.


    With the passing of Directive 2009/136/EC, which has come to be known as the Cookie Law, the European Parliament mandated that all countries within the EU must setup laws requiring websites to obtain informed consent before they can store or retrieve information on a visitor’s computer or web-enabled device.

    In other words, if you’re in Europe and host a website that uses cookies, you are required to tell your visitors that you’re using cookies, let them know what those cookies are being used for, and get their consent before you can place cookies on their device.

    https://privacypolicies.com/blog/eu-cookie-law/
     

    Oh it’s a blast. If you’re European, every single website will first humbly ask your permission. Every. Single. One. That’s an extra click every time.

    The smart ones or the ones who give a shit about their visitors have made it a tiny little bar at the top of the screen. But the vast majority blacks out the entire website and won’t let you do anything until you’ve magnanimously allowed their handful of bytes of data.

    Extra fun if you’re using NoScript or something else that gets rid of scripts. That means the cookie message won’t work so first you get a message about that. Then you re-enable javascript, then get the cookie message, and then you can view the website.

    It’s laughable, especially since browser fingerprinting is a much, much more powerful way of tracking users across the entire internet.

    But that’s what you get if you want a democratic club where the corrupt countries outnumber the functional ones. This is what we want.

  98. @Sabril
    Didn't you read the article? One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!

    One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!

    You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Aleppo? Or those aren't the scum you're looking for.
  99. @Father O'Hara
    Do Harvey get his money back?

    Do Harvey get his money back?

    Your real question is: Do Harve’s lawyers try to get his (hush) money returned? Answer is no. Too much bad PR.

  100. @notice
    Frank Sinatra would be proud of Ronan Farrow for having the guts to chronicle the things he has. Don Henley is a liberal, but I've enjoyed his music. Ronan Farrow is a liberal, but I appreciate his courage.

    Don Henley is a liberal, but I’ve enjoyed his music.

    How about his Chili recipe?

    http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/bin/show_recipe.cgi?chili+recipe124

  101. @el topo
    Sinatra has a much rounder head shape, Woody's is more elongated and angular. Ronan's head looks smallish and round, hence I favor the Sinatra theory.

    • Replies: @el topo
    Exactly. Sinatra and Ronan have similar facial features and head shapes; I see no trace of Woody in Ronan.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    Just keep in mind that Ronan wears light blue color contacts and has gotten plastic surgery, in the very least rhinoplasty. He has far more scuplted features from when he was younger in a way that can’t be explained by the natural aging process alone.
  102. @Kylie
    Steve is a very nice guy. I don't presume to speak for him, of course. But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey's situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein's, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    Weinstein was an exuberant, happy warrior type of abuser. Who figured, I am in the business and this is definitely one of the perks! Spacey was not that. He took up the offer (gay networking?) to direct the Old Vic to get out of LA, things were getting too hot there. And to sample London’s “rum, sodomy and the lash”.

    Kevin Spacey: Old Vic accused of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations
    http://www.theguardian.com › Arts › Kevin Spacey
    Nov 01, 2017 · Actors and former staff at the Old Vic have accused the theatre of turning a blind eye to inappropriate … Cavazos said his direct experiences with Spacey …

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Agreed. Weinstein apparently viewed all the "talent" to be his for the taking as perks of the job, like a corner office or lavish entertainment budget. Spacey didn't offer a quid pro quo. He was just plain creepy because apparently he'd hit on any attractive young guy any time anywhere. I get doing that at a gay bar where presumably all the customers are gay. But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts. Some of his accusers definitely looked gay. Others just as definitely did not.
  103. @Dave Pinsen

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if that was Farrow's initial motivation. Maybe having come up empty, he'll start rethinking his mother's accusations about Woody. Apparently he hasn't sexually harassed any actress in the last half century. Yeah, he dated the girl Mia Farrow adopted with Andre Previn, but Sun Yi was about 20 at the time, and she and Woody have now been together for 3x as long as Mia was married to Andre.

    Yeah, he dated the girl Mia Farrow adopted with Andre Previn, but Sun Yi was about 20 at the time, and she and Woody have now been together for 3x as long as Mia was married to Andre.

    New Yorkers have been getting this in their fortune cookies. “Help I am being held captive in an Upper East Side fortune cookie factory”

  104. @Alec Leamas
    http://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frankronanwoody.jpg

    Exactly. Sinatra and Ronan have similar facial features and head shapes; I see no trace of Woody in Ronan.

  105. @Lugash
    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat's off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.

    My guess is that he had a female friend who was assaulted by Weinstein and decided to take him down. My hat’s off to him, I thought that he was nothing but a rich kid light weight.

    Seems to this has been a long term project, labor of love for Ronan Farrow. Spending hours interviewing abused actresses. Getting new leads from each interviewee. What Ronan has had published is the tip of the iceberg so has ol Harve in utter panic.

  106. @Kylie
    Steve is a very nice guy. I don't presume to speak for him, of course. But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey's situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein's, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.

    If only the current allegations are true, I’d agree. But there’s talk that Spacey did things far worse than Weinstein. (At least far worse than what Weinstein has been accused of so far) Perhaps it’s wiser to see if those are true, because they change entirely the nature of what kind of person Spacey is.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Believe me, when I say Spacey's situation is sadder MAYBE for him, that does NOT mean I think he should get a free pass either legally or socially even if only the current allegations are found to be true.

    I find his alleged behavior far more reprehensible and repellent than I do Weinstein's. AFAIK, Weinstein was basically saying "Put out or get out" to budding actresses, all of whom brought themselves to his attention by their career choice. Apparently Spacey sought out vulnerable teens and young men who feared loss of employment in the service industry if they reported him. At least Weinstein offered his alleged victims a chance to further their careers. All Spacey offered his was a chance to have sex with him and maybe a watch if he thought he'd gone too far. I find his alleged behavior far more predatory than Weinstein's. I also think both men would be highly resistant to any meaningful realization of the damage they've apparently done. Spacey makes my flesh crawl.

  107. @anonguy

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?
     
    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She's definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive. Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    She was not that popular. Just a constant presence due to having parents in the business and sheer longevity. She was acting early on. I never thought much of her. Also her short marriage to Frank at age 25 got her lots of visibility and “fame”.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    I thought that she was very good in "Broadway Danny Rose". I also thought that she was good in "Rosemary's Baby." She can definitely act well.
  108. @Alec Leamas
    http://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frankronanwoody.jpg

    Just keep in mind that Ronan wears light blue color contacts and has gotten plastic surgery, in the very least rhinoplasty. He has far more scuplted features from when he was younger in a way that can’t be explained by the natural aging process alone.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Let's face it, aside from any other family issues, who is cooler - Frank or Woody?
  109. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    Much to my embarrassment, I’m compelled to admit that I’m too simple minded to understand what clever people like you say.

    You seem to be equating the prosecution of Weinstein for raping women and then his hiring goons to lean on the victims to be silent about his criminal acts with “bloodlust” and “baying” anti-Semitism.

    I wish that I’d gone to an Ivy League school so that I could have been around more Jewish or pro-Jewish people like you so that I could have enjoyed a first-rate education and learned to reason as you do.

    Unfortunately, when my senior adviser asked me if I wanted to pursue a graduate degree at Harvard, telling me that as a PhD from Harvard himself, he could ensure that I would be accepted, I politely declined. If I had only known then that I would have as classmates persons such as yourself from whom I could have learned so much, but alas, one makes one’s choices with respect to whom one chooses to associate and the Devil take the hindmost.

  110. Mossad and the IDF harass powerless individual Gentile Americans but since Russia bought Twitter ads, it’s OK.

  111. @Anonymous
    You've posted several times already on Weinstein, but still not a word on Spacey. Is it because Spacey isn't Jewish? Less red meat to work with to get the readers riled up?

    Not sure about that. To some of these readers Spacey became Jewish once the accusations started rolling in.

  112. @Lloyd1927
    I'm inclined to believe in Sinatra's paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen's genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?

    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan’s conception in 1987… Quite a feat before Viagra.
    Also, you’d think Mia would have been sleeping around with younger, better-looking men at the time.
    Sorry, he does not look like Sinatra. But he does look half-Jewish. There are plenty of Jews in Hollywood : it could have been Woody Allen or any other Jewish guy. Why not Harvey Weinstein? Lol!

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan’s conception in 1987… Quite a feat before Viagra.
     
    Sperm health/motility is the key factor. Tony Randall had two kids in his '70s....

    Randall was married to Florence Gibbs from 1938 until her death from cancer on April 18, 1992. The following year, he said, "I wish I believed I'd see my parents again, see my wife again. But I know it's not going to happen."[13] He remarried on November 17, 1995, to Heather Harlan, an intern in one of his theatrical programs. At the time, Tony was 75 years old and Heather, 25. They lived in a Manhattan apartment and bought a vacation apartment in Key Biscayne, Florida, in 2003. The couple, who had two children, Julia and Jefferson, remained married until his death in May 2004.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Randall#Personal_life
    , @Anonymous
    And there's no way Frank would have sired a poofter like Ronan:

    "Ronan Farrow loves the ladies — and guys, too"

    https://pagesix.com/2013/11/08/ronan-farrow-loves-the-ladies-and-guys-too/

    Ronan Farrow — Mia Farrow’s precocious 25-year-old son with either Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra — can’t be categorized as to his sexual orientation.

    Farrow, who will launch a show on MSNBC in January, has come under pressure from gays to come out of the closet.

    But a friend of his told me, “He’s not in the closet. He’s been with guys, but he’s also been with girls. He’s open about both.”
     
  113. @AnotherGuessModel
    Just keep in mind that Ronan wears light blue color contacts and has gotten plastic surgery, in the very least rhinoplasty. He has far more scuplted features from when he was younger in a way that can’t be explained by the natural aging process alone.

    Let’s face it, aside from any other family issues, who is cooler – Frank or Woody?

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    I’m sympathetic to Ronan encouraging such rumors even absent the cool factor, but for all their merits, Steve’s readers are bad at noticing artifice.
  114. @European-American

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    I’m not sure if you’re joking. Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube. I read about this in a William Gibson novel, bail out, bail out!

    In reality, the cookie message is alarming in a different way. A European law requires all web sites using cookies, i.e all web sites, to ask each visitor’s permission for using cookies.

    The inflexible mindless useless idiocy of this law makes me worry about our future. The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes. But perhaps I am being too neurotic.


    With the passing of Directive 2009/136/EC, which has come to be known as the Cookie Law, the European Parliament mandated that all countries within the EU must setup laws requiring websites to obtain informed consent before they can store or retrieve information on a visitor’s computer or web-enabled device.

    In other words, if you’re in Europe and host a website that uses cookies, you are required to tell your visitors that you’re using cookies, let them know what those cookies are being used for, and get their consent before you can place cookies on their device.

    https://privacypolicies.com/blog/eu-cookie-law/
     

    Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube.

    Is it just me or does a spy outfit run by ex-Mossad agents naming itself Black Cube seem just as weird as an outfit run by ex-Islamists naming itself Second Temple?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Is this a reference to the Borg?
    "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
  115. @whorefinder
    Ronan took his mother's side in the divorce-and-Soon-Yi drama, and has stated that he remembers his mother warning him about Allen back when they were together, as well as warnings she gave that the children were not to be left alone with him. He's also said point blank that Woody was, for all intents and purposes, Soon Yi's father, no matter the legal reality at the time, and that the relationship is icky as a resuly.

    He's been pretty vocal about bashing Woody (his supposed father) and Soon Yi, except nobody bothers to quote him since Woody's quite protected.

    Ronan has also taken an even subtler personal route against Allen. The rumor goes that Frank Sinatra, not Woody, is Ronan's true father. Ronan has played this up by coiffing his look to appear more like Ol' Blue Eyes and not the nebbish Allen.

    Anyway, Ronan probably dove into this trying to find dirt on Woody and ended up here.

    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    • Replies: @whoever
    Wait, wait ... some parents called their kid "beaver cleaver"?
    https://i.imgur.com/HhIEvYC.gif
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Eddie Haskell liked to refer to him as Theodore, because the Beav didn't like that name. I recall him unctuously asking June Cleaver, "And how's little Theodore?"
    , @Kylie
    I'm a huge LITB fan. Love everything about it.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse!
     
    In those days, many if most young Richards were called Dick. Is "Fun With Dick and Jane" about sex and drugs and whatever preceded rock and roll? "If I give you some Jane to Puff, will you Sally with my Dick? I know just the Spot. Oh! Oh!"

    Oh, and kids in Beaver's day wore "coon skin hats". Let's not even go there...
    , @Desiderius
    If Ronan started going by Satchel and started channeling Frank's masculinity instead of Pajama Boy, the world would be his oyster.

    Even Satchel's masculinity would be an improvement.
  116. @anonguy
    I give a lot of credence to the theory that Sinatra is Ronan's biological father both from Ronan's appearance and behavior. Probably disgusted by the Hollywood stuff he's observed up close his whole life, maybe symbolically redeeming his mother's treatment at the hands of Allen.

    If you Google Ronan Farrow, the right hand side of the page has a wiki “snapshot”. Frank Sinatra is listed as Ronan’s Father, lol. So is Woody, but I think it’s funny that Frank’s in there too.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Wouldn't be incredible if a technology exist whereby you could just send a few cells swabbed from your cheek and determine your paternity?
  117. @Anonymous
    I'm noticing that you don't like the idea of noticing Spacey's predilections. I wonder why.....

    Sure – homo-insinuations. You know who likes to make those, don’t you? Homos. So what should we conclude about you?

    I have no problem noticing Spacey’s improprieties (or even crimes). Notice away. Prosecute away. Hollywood is a cesspool. Let it all burn.

  118. @whorefinder
    My guess is either Sinatra's estate won't let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.

    Agreed. Remember his mother, not him, has made the claim. He knows the truth and does not need to say anything.

  119. @Dave Pinsen
    Presumably, you're referring to Joss Whedon. The difference there was that Whedon wasn't (AFAIK) accused of sexually assaulting anyone, just having consensual affairs with his actresses while posing as a feminist champion.

    Good point. Many of Harvey’s accusers claim that he was crude and vulgar. If he had brought flowers it would have been different.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Weinstein has been accused of rape -- holding women down and having sex with them against their will. No similar accusations against Whedon.

    Both Weinstein and Whedon had attractive young women who were willing to have sex with them. The apparent difference is Whedon limited himself to those.
  120. @Svigor
    Weinstein is straight out of a Harold Covington novel.

    No kidding. Now if only some real-life versions of the more appealing characters would start to appear…

  121. @el topo
    Sinatra has a much rounder head shape, Woody's is more elongated and angular. Ronan's head looks smallish and round, hence I favor the Sinatra theory.

    Ronan is good-looking, and Allen is ugly as homemade sin, so I favor the Sinatra theory too.
    I sincerely hope his bio father WAS Sinatra, as I’m sure he does too. Sinatra was a slut-puppy thug, but not a perv. Allen is sick trash. He stopped working with a teenaged Mariel Hemingway when she turned down his invitation to go to Europe unless they had separate hotel rooms.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I've heard of sluts and puppies but what's a slut-puppy?
  122. @Pericles

    One of the investigation firms hired by Weinstein has an office in Tel Aviv. TEL AVIV!

     

    You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.

    Aleppo? Or those aren’t the scum you’re looking for.

  123. @Laugh Track

    Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube.
     
    Is it just me or does a spy outfit run by ex-Mossad agents naming itself Black Cube seem just as weird as an outfit run by ex-Islamists naming itself Second Temple?

    Is this a reference to the Borg?
    “You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    It could be but it is also a reference to the Kaaba.
  124. @syonredux

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”
     
    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner.....

    Ava stormed off, phoned her ex-husband, Artie Shaw, and arranged to see him at his flat. Before leaving, she provocatively left her address book open at the page containing his address.


    Nothing, she knew, was more likely to inflame Sinatra’s jealousy. And, sure enough, 20 minutes after she’d arrived at Artie’s, her lover showed up. As Ava told it afterwards, he looked like a hoodlum in his raincoat and trilby, with his hands deep in his pockets as though clutching a revolver.
    His eyes swept the room and found Ava sitting in a chair with a drink in her hand, looking smug.
    Suddenly deflated, he turned around and walked out of the door, without saying a word.



    Half an hour later, Ava returned to the hotel suite she was sharing with Sinatra, kicked off her heels and began to drift off. Suddenly, she was awakened by the phone: it was her lover calling from the other bedroom.
    ‘I can’t stand it any more,’ he said, sounding desperate. ‘I’m gonna kill myself. Right now.’
    There were two loud shots. Ava screamed and ran into his bedroom. Sinatra was lying on the floor with his eyes closed, a gun smoking in his hand.

     


    Soon afterwards, she left to make a film, Pandora And The Flying Dutchman, in Spain. This provided both a welcome breather from Sinatra’s theatrics and a rather dashing Spanish matador-turned-actor, Mario Cabré, who was playing her bullfighter-lover.
    ‘After one of those romantic, star-filled, dance-filled, booze-filled Spanish nights, I woke up to find myself in bed with him,’ she would later confess.
    Of course, the fling with Mario wasn’t serious — but the ex-bullfighter used it to generate publicity for his career. ‘I am in love with her,’ he said in a prepared statement. ‘This is pure love.’
    Back in the U.S., the Press reports drove Sinatra, now aged 34, to the brink of despair.
    One thing was clear: Sinatra needed Ava more than she needed him.

     


    Later that evening, they had a row about the definition of commitment. ‘If you ever treat me the way you’ve treated Nancy,’ Ava warned him, ‘I’ll kill you.’
    Sinatra told Ava she was ‘nothing but a whore’. In response, she ran barefoot out into the dark night.
    Her maid, Rene, found her later, sobbing and about to wade into the lake. After being escorted back to her room, Ava decided to leave: she ended up driving at 100mph all the way to her home in Los Angeles.
    She’d been there only 15 minutes when the phone rang. It was Sinatra’s manager. ‘Frank took an overdose of sleeping pills,’ he told her. ‘The doctor’s here. He doesn’t think he’ll make it.’
    Apparently, when Frank realised that Ava had left, he’d swallowed a handful of sleeping pills. Fortunately, he’d been found by his valet a few hours later.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183414/How-cold-steel-Ava-Gardner-drove-Sinatra-try-kill-TWICE-Two-abortions-smoking-gin-Told-time-story-Old-Blue-Eyes-greatest-fatal-obsession.html

    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner…..

    He made a fool of himself over Cole Porter as well, when he was starting out. Porter wanted to check this new singer out, and slipped into a New Jersey club and watched from the rear. Someone recognized him, and word was passed to Sinatra, who announced Porter’s presence to the audience with profuse and extended praise. Porter was mortified.

    But the clueless Sinatra read Porter’s obvious WASP reticence quite differently. He would say “That’s when I knew he was a snob.”

    A bit of projection there.

  125. @Father O'Hara
    Do Harvey get his money back?

    Do Harvey get his money back?

    Harvey is plural?

    Do you see with him a rabbit the rest of us don’t?

  126. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    He hosted an unsuccessful, short lived show on MSNBC. His voice and mannerisms are quite effeminate. It's hard to believe that he's Sinatra's son. Or Woody's for that matter. I suspect that he's the product of some other random guy Mia Farrow was screwing, but that she threw out the name of a notable figure like Sinatra that she had hooked up with and that was plausible enough. Farrow did get around back in the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHoOkskbwz8

    Face it, Sinatra was pretty “effeminate” back in the 40s. Partly being a skinny kid, partly the “heartthrob” image, partly decent White guys from back then just look and act less like negro thugs than the image of “manhood” held by so-called “white nationalists.” Then he segued into the “heartbroken drunk” period, which is hardly Game.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less. Sinatra's voice and mannerisms were a lot more masculine than Ronan's is. Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today's standards.
  127. @Desiderius
    That's Old Blue Eyes on Progtardism.

    Sad but true.

    You obviously don’t know a thing about Sinatra’s very pink politics. Take a look at “The House Where I Live” on YouTube, or read about the Hollywood 10. And, um, JFK ring a bell? Ringading ding!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That's the prog, not the tard.
    , @Hibernian
    I think he moved to the Right in the late '60s, as many people did.
  128. @whorefinder
    And of course their personas. Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona, while Allen has of course always pushed a Jewish stereotype of the nebbish-insecure-frail-sex-obssessed-cowardly-hyper-intellectual. (Allen was so successful that I would buy that he is now the stereotype most Boomers have of Jews.

    “Frank pushed publicly his aggressive-macho-cool-alpha persona.”

    Frank Sinatra had a long career before you discovered the paunchy old man in 1985.

  129. @anonguy

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?
     
    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She's definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    She’s got some good performances to her credit. Polanski used her fragility to good effect in Rosemary’s Baby. And she was outstanding as the waitress torn between dreary reality and glittering fantasy in The Purple Rose of Cairo*. As for her looks, chacun à son goût. I thought that peak Mia was quite pretty, albeit in a delicate, porcelain doll way.

    *For my money, Woody Allen’s best film. Of course, it is a tad derivative of Buster Keaton’s Sherlock,jr….

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    As for her looks, chacun à son goût. I thought that peak Mia was quite pretty, albeit in a delicate, porcelain doll way.
     
    With a little-- okay, a lot-- more verve and personality, she might have been our answer to Audrey Hepburn.
  130. @anonguy

    Can Ronan Farrow sing? Is he funny?
     
    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She's definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.

    She was part of the zeitgeist in a time of big cultural shifts. She came from a glamorous Hollywood family, had an uncommon ethereal beauty (as did her sister Tisa), and with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.
     
    fwiw I vastly prefer the solid stolid grounded look of a Sarah Huckabee to gamine w pixie cut. Pixie cuts are out for me. Do not charm me. For Mia Farrow this translated into mega-flake.
    , @anonguy

    she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.
     
    Yeah, that was the Twiggy era.
    , @guest
    I can see that, but why does a guy like Sinatra go along with the times? He was already famous, and could've kept picking women like Ava Gardner. To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don't get it.

    Of course, he didn't maintain consistent levels of fame. There were ups and downs. Maybe he had to ingratiate himself with hipsters to have one of his "comebacks," I dunno.
  131. Mia farrow was always ugly and untalented.

  132. @whorefinder
    My guess is either Sinatra's estate won't let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.

    My guess is either Sinatra’s estate won’t let them do a DNA comparison or else Ronan refuses to try because he likes being in this weird limbo.

    Could be. Cf British director Matthew Vaughn, who grew up thinking that Robert Vaughn was his father. Then he got a DNA test and found out that his dad was George Albert Harley de Vere Drummond. Perhaps Ronan is afraid of definitive results…….

  133. @Lurker
    Let's face it, aside from any other family issues, who is cooler - Frank or Woody?

    I’m sympathetic to Ronan encouraging such rumors even absent the cool factor, but for all their merits, Steve’s readers are bad at noticing artifice.

  134. @Cagey Beast
    Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/06/report-kevin-spacey-enters-sex-addiction-rehab-clinic

    I can understand why Spacey is at a same-sex addiction clinic but why is Weinstein there?

    It’s a full-service sex-addiction clinic.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Kevin Spacey's ringtone causes nervous glances as his phone goes off on his first day at the sex addiction clinic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBxm9qE4h4U

    One of the comments underneath it at YouTube is: "I'm 100% all 37,00 views were my chemistry teacher". LOLs. It's a great album but I think I'll pick a different track for my ringtone. Their "Kelly Watch The Stars" video features Trump's fourth wife playing ping-pong.

  135. I go with the idea that the Hollywood entertainment industry is dominated by a Jewish ethnic mafia at the top. Not everybody who works in the Hollywood entertainment industry is Jewish, of course – as almost all of Harvey Weinstein’s victims were non Jewish gentile/Shiksas. But, the situation is very similar to American organized crime from the 1920s -~ 1980. At the top, organized crime was dominated by the Italian mafia families and others who worked in organized crime including lots of Irish and Jews like Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Murder Inc. had to work under and honor the Italian Mafia at the top.

    It’s the same with the Hollywood Jewish media mafia. In politics, Hollywood pushes Lib Leftist anti White causes in the USA and Lib Left United Nations type causes internationally, the exception is that these Lib Left causes can’t be anti Israel.

    Even White Gentile media mogul wanna bees like Ted Turner are not accepted at the top of the Hollywood media mafia because he/they ain’t Jewish. It didn’t matter that Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda and pushed Lib Leftist United Nations politics – after Ted Turner merged CNN/Turner Broadcasting with Gerald Levin’s Time Warner Inc, Ted Turner was basically never heard from again. CNN is now run by the likes of Jeff Zucker and we might as well have the worst NY/Hollywood Jews camped in our living rooms along with former AIPAC lobbyist Wolf Blitzer.

    So now we read Harvey Weinstein was using ex Israel military/intelligence operatives to make Harvey’s rape victims go away.

    It’s not really surprising, what is surprising is why places like the New Yorker and New York Times are now letting all this stuff get out.

    Meanwhile back on CNN it’s basically still “THE RUSSIANS STOLE THE ELECTION FROM HILLARY”, TRUMP WILL BE IMPEACHED. The J owner of my expensive Chicago sports and tennis club makes us the club members watch CNN propaganda 24/7 on huge TV screens.

    Here’s a Farstar cartoon we commission on this subject:

    • Replies: @Thea
    Maybe all the Russian hysteria is just really elaborate Ukranian propaganda?
  136. Harvey craved the drama and power of messing with young actresses minds, their hopes and dreams. With all his expensive suppression and mop operations he could have hired high class, clean call girls every day of the year and come out way ahead. And had real sex each time, as in penetration. Not jerking off into potted plants. He could have expensed this action to Miramax.

    $5000 x 365 = $1,825,000
    Harvey should have asked Woody Allen for the name of his shrink. This guy would have have told him to keep it simple and pay for upper tier call girls.

  137. @Anon
    Face it, Sinatra was pretty "effeminate" back in the 40s. Partly being a skinny kid, partly the "heartthrob" image, partly decent White guys from back then just look and act less like negro thugs than the image of "manhood" held by so-called "white nationalists." Then he segued into the "heartbroken drunk" period, which is hardly Game.

    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less. Sinatra’s voice and mannerisms were a lot more masculine than Ronan’s is. Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today’s standards.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is effeminacy heritable? How does that work?
    , @Clyde

    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less.
     
    The members of the Rolling Stones grew up with rationing in post war England. They are all skinny today and always were.
    , @Desiderius

    Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today’s standards.
     
    Not by the standards of the crowd he runs with.
  138. @Cagey Beast
    Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/06/report-kevin-spacey-enters-sex-addiction-rehab-clinic

    I can understand why Spacey is at a same-sex addiction clinic but why is Weinstein there?

    Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein

    Birds of a feather want to flock together to exchange tips and tricks.

  139. @Anonymous
    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less. Sinatra's voice and mannerisms were a lot more masculine than Ronan's is. Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today's standards.

    Is effeminacy heritable? How does that work?

    • Replies: @Bill P
    In a lot of species, yes. It's called "sexual antagonism" when it decreases the sexual fitness in one sex while enhancing it in the other. I'm sure it happens in humans to some degree.
  140. @AnotherGuessModel
    She was part of the zeitgeist in a time of big cultural shifts. She came from a glamorous Hollywood family, had an uncommon ethereal beauty (as did her sister Tisa), and with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    fwiw I vastly prefer the solid stolid grounded look of a Sarah Huckabee to gamine w pixie cut. Pixie cuts are out for me. Do not charm me. For Mia Farrow this translated into mega-flake.

  141. I’m inclined to believe in Sinatra’s paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen’s genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?

    Ronan doesn’t seem to like Woody much, and probably knows the rumor about his paternity. He has probably had Woody’s paternity confirmed via DNA test; if it was otherwise, he probably would have made the fact public.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    He has probably had Woody’s paternity confirmed via DNA test
     
    Well, as I noted upthread, Ronan might be too uneasy about the possible results to have his DNA tested....Better to live with uncertainty than live with an unpleasant reality....
  142. @Anonymous
    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less. Sinatra's voice and mannerisms were a lot more masculine than Ronan's is. Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today's standards.

    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less.

    The members of the Rolling Stones grew up with rationing in post war England. They are all skinny today and always were.

    • Replies: @BB753
    And short too. Overall, their forced early diet seems to have been good for their health and longevity.
  143. Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious.

    What now? Weinstein could crush Spacey like a bug. Or he could have, before the McShiksa destroyed him.

    Not sure about that. To some of these readers Spacey became Jewish once the accusations started rolling in.

    That is hilarious, kudos. To unpack for the rubes: biz is such a virulent antiantisemite (euphemism for “racist Jew”) that in his mind, we have to make Spacey into an honorary Jew to talk trash about him.

    I have no problem noticing Spacey’s improprieties (or even crimes). Notice away. Prosecute away. Hollywood is a cesspool. Let it all burn.

    Zealot Jews insist it’s all about the Jews, because…for them it’s all about the Jews, but they don’t want any non-Jews agreeing. First it’s “you’re white-knighting for Hollywood whores,” even when, for example, I have almost completely ignored the women involved and barely mentioned them. Then it’s “you’re won’t mention Spacey because he’s not a Jew.” Then it’s “if you do mention Spacey, it’ll only be because you’ve made him an honorary Jew in your minds.”

    Let me just get out ahead of this and say yes, it’s all about the Jews. I have no problem being called an antisemite. Fire away.

    No kidding. Now if only some real-life versions of the more appealing characters would start to appear…

    Yeah. Maybe we really do need fedgov to start abducting our children first…

    Do Harvey get his money back?

    Harvey is plural?

    “I am Harvey Weinstein.”
    “No, I am Harvey Weinstein.”
    “No! I am Harvey Weinstein!”

    There are many Harvey Weinsteins.

    Face it, Sinatra was pretty “effeminate” back in the 40s. Partly being a skinny kid, partly the “heartthrob” image, partly decent White guys from back then just look and act less like negro thugs than the image of “manhood” held by so-called “white nationalists.” Then he segued into the “heartbroken drunk” period, which is hardly Game.

    You seem to be conflating PUA mopes with WNs.

    I can understand why Spacey is at a same-sex addiction clinic but why is Weinstein there?

    Don’t give Weinstein any ideas! “Coming out” as a homo or a tranny might be his next move.

    Noam Chomsky is the greatest living intellectual and a moral exemplar in his personal life.

    He clears the “great man” hurdle pretty easily.

    He’s a moral cretin who can’t even address his own back yard (Zionism, Israel, Jewish influence) in a remotely appropriate way.

  144. @Anon
    You obviously don't know a thing about Sinatra's very pink politics. Take a look at "The House Where I Live" on YouTube, or read about the Hollywood 10. And, um, JFK ring a bell? Ringading ding!

    That’s the prog, not the tard.

  145. @Anonymous
    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less. Sinatra's voice and mannerisms were a lot more masculine than Ronan's is. Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today's standards.

    Ronan is pretty effeminate even by today’s standards.

    Not by the standards of the crowd he runs with.

  146. @Steve Sailer
    In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings -- the great Columbia years of the 1950s -- while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.

    Allen is Jewish,obviously. He was part of the group around Sid Ceasar. I have no doubt his way was greased being one of the boys. He stole much of his inspiration from Hope,as has been discussed here. But…
    One of his bits has him as a boy playing the cello. He is bullied by some toughs. (Goyim or tough jews?)
    After submitting several times,he has enough and stands up to the bullies. Cello in hand,he demands they back off and refuses them his lunch money.
    The final line: “Surgeons labored around the clock to remove a cello…”
    Funny!

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Allen is Jewish,obviously. He was part of the group around Sid Ceasar. I have no doubt his way was greased being one of the boys.
     
    On the other hand, I'm sure that there was also a lot of intra-group competition as well....Sid Caesar, for example, was not exactly known for his generous nature.....

    He stole much of his inspiration from Hope,as has been discussed here.
     
    Woody's always been forthright about his debt to Bob Hope....And Hope offers another example of a comedian whose cowardly public persona differed rather markedly from the actual man....
  147. @Clyde

    Being skinny is not the same thing as being effeminate, especially in those days when people were poorer and ate less.
     
    The members of the Rolling Stones grew up with rationing in post war England. They are all skinny today and always were.

    And short too. Overall, their forced early diet seems to have been good for their health and longevity.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Plus number of children produced-sired
    Mick- 8
    Ronnie- 6 or more
    Keith- 5-6
    Charlie - 1
    Bill -- 5 I think

    None of the Beatles were tall
    Ringo and George seem to be on the short side with Paul and John taller. All were skinny expect for John who fluctuated.

  148. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder about the mentality of agents who went through the whole training process of making it into Mossad, being imbued with the entire history about Mossad being a pillar of the protection of the Israeli state against its destruction by its many enemies, and yet ending up being people who do nothing except help a rapist and sexual harasser stalk his victims, and doing it for no other reason except that it’s a paying job.

    Flipping burgers at McDonald’s for minimum wage has more dignity, honor, and class to it than that.

    None of the effing Mossad agents could make themselves say NO to Weinstein. Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea? Not a single one either had the brains–or if they did–had the honor to do it.

    What a pack of weasels. They deserve to lose to their Islamic enemies.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    People of every race, creed, color, and national origin have been known to sell out.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea?
     
    There are a lot of Mossad agents. I'm sure he paid someone well to vet them, to see which ones would "stay bought".

    Or maybe he had something on those individuals... Intelligence works both ways.
    , @Jack D
    I'm sure you were strongly in favor of Mossad and Zionism up until now, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
  149. @Steve Sailer
    Is effeminacy heritable? How does that work?

    In a lot of species, yes. It’s called “sexual antagonism” when it decreases the sexual fitness in one sex while enhancing it in the other. I’m sure it happens in humans to some degree.

  150. @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    Wait, wait … some parents called their kid “beaver cleaver”?

  151. @Steve Sailer
    The comic actor Nick Kroll is the son of the top guy at the Kroll security firm.

    “comic”

  152. @BB753
    And short too. Overall, their forced early diet seems to have been good for their health and longevity.

    Plus number of children produced-sired
    Mick- 8
    Ronnie- 6 or more
    Keith- 5-6
    Charlie – 1
    Bill — 5 I think

    None of the Beatles were tall
    Ringo and George seem to be on the short side with Paul and John taller. All were skinny expect for John who fluctuated.

  153. @Svigor

    I’m inclined to believe in Sinatra’s paternity. Do you see any sign of Woody Allen’s genes in Ronan Farrow? Really?
     
    Ronan doesn't seem to like Woody much, and probably knows the rumor about his paternity. He has probably had Woody's paternity confirmed via DNA test; if it was otherwise, he probably would have made the fact public.

    He has probably had Woody’s paternity confirmed via DNA test

    Well, as I noted upthread, Ronan might be too uneasy about the possible results to have his DNA tested….Better to live with uncertainty than live with an unpleasant reality….

  154. @Thomas

    But I suspect that passive use is somehow derivative of this particular active use, that takes an object.
     
    In Spanish, it’s easy to derive a noun from a verb to denote that it’s the object of that verb. In the Argentine case, the phrase that arose was “ser desaparecido,” “to be disappeared.”

    I first recall reading it in stories about paramilitary death squads in 1980s El Salvador.

  155. @Father O'Hara
    Allen is Jewish,obviously. He was part of the group around Sid Ceasar. I have no doubt his way was greased being one of the boys. He stole much of his inspiration from Hope,as has been discussed here. But...
    One of his bits has him as a boy playing the cello. He is bullied by some toughs. (Goyim or tough jews?)
    After submitting several times,he has enough and stands up to the bullies. Cello in hand,he demands they back off and refuses them his lunch money.
    The final line: "Surgeons labored around the clock to remove a cello..."
    Funny!

    Allen is Jewish,obviously. He was part of the group around Sid Ceasar. I have no doubt his way was greased being one of the boys.

    On the other hand, I’m sure that there was also a lot of intra-group competition as well….Sid Caesar, for example, was not exactly known for his generous nature…..

    He stole much of his inspiration from Hope,as has been discussed here.

    Woody’s always been forthright about his debt to Bob Hope….And Hope offers another example of a comedian whose cowardly public persona differed rather markedly from the actual man….

  156. @jack ryan
    I go with the idea that the Hollywood entertainment industry is dominated by a Jewish ethnic mafia at the top. Not everybody who works in the Hollywood entertainment industry is Jewish, of course - as almost all of Harvey Weinstein's victims were non Jewish gentile/Shiksas. But, the situation is very similar to American organized crime from the 1920s -~ 1980. At the top, organized crime was dominated by the Italian mafia families and others who worked in organized crime including lots of Irish and Jews like Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Murder Inc. had to work under and honor the Italian Mafia at the top.

    It's the same with the Hollywood Jewish media mafia. In politics, Hollywood pushes Lib Leftist anti White causes in the USA and Lib Left United Nations type causes internationally, the exception is that these Lib Left causes can't be anti Israel.

    Even White Gentile media mogul wanna bees like Ted Turner are not accepted at the top of the Hollywood media mafia because he/they ain't Jewish. It didn't matter that Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda and pushed Lib Leftist United Nations politics - after Ted Turner merged CNN/Turner Broadcasting with Gerald Levin's Time Warner Inc, Ted Turner was basically never heard from again. CNN is now run by the likes of Jeff Zucker and we might as well have the worst NY/Hollywood Jews camped in our living rooms along with former AIPAC lobbyist Wolf Blitzer.

    So now we read Harvey Weinstein was using ex Israel military/intelligence operatives to make Harvey's rape victims go away.

    It's not really surprising, what is surprising is why places like the New Yorker and New York Times are now letting all this stuff get out.

    Meanwhile back on CNN it's basically still "THE RUSSIANS STOLE THE ELECTION FROM HILLARY", TRUMP WILL BE IMPEACHED. The J owner of my expensive Chicago sports and tennis club makes us the club members watch CNN propaganda 24/7 on huge TV screens.

    Here's a Farstar cartoon we commission on this subject:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jpg-Parrot.jpg

    Maybe all the Russian hysteria is just really elaborate Ukranian propaganda?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Do Ukrainians do anything elaborately other than paint Easter eggs? I've never got the impression they do complexity or nuance. They have a certain peasant cunning but that's about it.
  157. @BB753
    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan's conception in 1987... Quite a feat before Viagra.
    Also, you'd think Mia would have been sleeping around with younger, better-looking men at the time.
    Sorry, he does not look like Sinatra. But he does look half-Jewish. There are plenty of Jews in Hollywood : it could have been Woody Allen or any other Jewish guy. Why not Harvey Weinstein? Lol!

    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan’s conception in 1987… Quite a feat before Viagra.

    Sperm health/motility is the key factor. Tony Randall had two kids in his ’70s….

    Randall was married to Florence Gibbs from 1938 until her death from cancer on April 18, 1992. The following year, he said, “I wish I believed I’d see my parents again, see my wife again. But I know it’s not going to happen.”[13] He remarried on November 17, 1995, to Heather Harlan, an intern in one of his theatrical programs. At the time, Tony was 75 years old and Heather, 25. They lived in a Manhattan apartment and bought a vacation apartment in Key Biscayne, Florida, in 2003. The couple, who had two children, Julia and Jefferson, remained married until his death in May 2004.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Randall#Personal_life

  158. @AnotherGuessModel
    She was part of the zeitgeist in a time of big cultural shifts. She came from a glamorous Hollywood family, had an uncommon ethereal beauty (as did her sister Tisa), and with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    Yeah, that was the Twiggy era.

  159. @EdwardM
    It's a full-service sex-addiction clinic.

    Kevin Spacey’s ringtone causes nervous glances as his phone goes off on his first day at the sex addiction clinic:

    One of the comments underneath it at YouTube is: “I’m 100% all 37,00 views were my chemistry teacher”. LOLs. It’s a great album but I think I’ll pick a different track for my ringtone. Their “Kelly Watch The Stars” video features Trump’s fourth wife playing ping-pong.

  160. They need to make a movie out of Harveywood, an expose like the one they did of the Catholic church to expose their own swamp.

    Who will play Sweinstein?

    (((Polanski))), (((Epstein))), (((Weinstein))), (((Weiner))), (((the Nickelodeon guy (pending)))), (((the NPR guy))), (((Halperin))), (((Toback))), (((Wieseltier)))…I know I’m forgetting several. Talk about your echo chambers.

    (((Bret Ratner))), (((Jeremy Pevin))), (((Leonard Bernstein))), (((Eliott Spitzer)))…thousands more in the DNC, the deep state, Wall Street, corporate boardrooms, Hollywood, media, academia, Silicon Valley waiting to be exposed.

    Jews’ love of money and power is leading them down the bottomless pit of depravity, unfortunately thanks to their stranglehold on our most prized institutions they will drag the whole country down with them.

  161. I wonder about the mentality of agents who went through the whole training process of making it into Mossad, being imbued with the entire history about Mossad being a pillar of the protection of the Israeli state against its destruction by its many enemies, and yet ending up being people who do nothing except help a rapist and sexual harasser stalk his victims, and doing it for no other reason except that it’s a paying job.

    Rationalization is great. If defending Jewish Hollywood doesn’t work, there’s always “hey, at least he’s Jewish, and this will keep the lights on for the more important work,” something like that.

    Point being, Jews, like leftists, have a Holy Cause that justifies a lot of their dirty deeds, in their minds.

    Flipping burgers at McDonald’s for minimum wage has more dignity, honor, and class to it than that.

    Oh man, are you ever barking up the wrong tree with this tribe and that argument. Water, meet duck’s back.

    Wait, wait … some parents called their kid “beaver cleaver”?

    “Ward, don’t you think you were a little hard on the beaver last night?” works in at least two ways…

    Well, as I noted upthread, Ronan might be too uneasy about the possible results to have his DNA tested….Better to live with uncertainty than live with an unpleasant reality….

    Maybe. I doubt it. He’s shown at least enough balls and truth-seeking to take a DNA test to find out if the father he dislikes is actually his biological father. But maybe. People can be complicated.

  162. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is one of those rare occasions when I think Steve's lack of sleep is catching up with him.

    Ronan's eye color alone signifies recessive genes that had to come from both parents. What do you think the odds are that Woody has those?

    Of course, my understanding of genetics is about at the level of Gregor Mendel growing pea plants, so I could be wrong.

    There is such a thing as colored contacts, and it’s not inconceivable that a young gay man (Ronan claims he’s bi) would be vain enough to wear them. Do we know Farrow’s natural eye color?

    • Replies: @res
    He sometimes wears colored contacts (if you search it was a gossip item in 2014), but I am not finding a straight answer as to his natural eye color.
  163. @flyingtiger
    Good point. Many of Harvey's accusers claim that he was crude and vulgar. If he had brought flowers it would have been different.

    Weinstein has been accused of rape — holding women down and having sex with them against their will. No similar accusations against Whedon.

    Both Weinstein and Whedon had attractive young women who were willing to have sex with them. The apparent difference is Whedon limited himself to those.

  164. @AnotherGuessModel
    She was part of the zeitgeist in a time of big cultural shifts. She came from a glamorous Hollywood family, had an uncommon ethereal beauty (as did her sister Tisa), and with her marriage to Sinatra and iconic role in Rosemary’s Baby, she represented a shift from the 1950’s comforting, sensual feminine beauty to the gamine and modernity-obsessed look of the 1960’s, and all that entailed about changing gender roles.

    I can see that, but why does a guy like Sinatra go along with the times? He was already famous, and could’ve kept picking women like Ava Gardner. To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don’t get it.

    Of course, he didn’t maintain consistent levels of fame. There were ups and downs. Maybe he had to ingratiate himself with hipsters to have one of his “comebacks,” I dunno.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don’t get it.

    By her own admission, Ava Gardner was a whore/slut. She screwed anybody. Mia Farrow, although she had some divorces, appears to be a family oriented woman who is most happy at home tending to her family. If you can't see the appeal of that, well, you don't see the appeal of that.
  165. @Steve Sailer
    In reality, Woody Allen might have been even more of an alpha male than Sinatra. It took Sinatra until his early 40s to take over artistic control of his recordings -- the great Columbia years of the 1950s -- while Allen was directing movies by ten years younger.

    One must take into account the differing ages, industries*, and, uh. ethnic milieus. But though Woody had his way with women, he never had crowds of bobbysoxers literally fainting at his mere presence.

    *Did Woody ever have someone hold a gun to a man’s head to get out of a contract? Even in rumor? Would that be necessary in his line of work?

  166. @Anonymous
    Spacey is more famous and his allegations are more serious. But he's not Jewish, so he won't slake the bloodlust of the baying anti-Semites around here.

    Bloodlust of the baying antisemites? What are they, hellhounds?

    Who’s blood libeling now?

  167. @guest
    "specializes in tailored solutions to complex business and litigation challenges"

    The solution is usually punching, with the occasional garroting.

    By the way, "tailored" is so downmarket. They ought to advertise themselves as curators of complex punching solutions.

    OT: Speaking of curating, I just saw the phrase “curatorial activism” on Twitter, and wanted to scream.

  168. @snorlax

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    This is because of an EU law requiring all websites operating in the EU (so, all websites) to display a notice before setting cookies.

    Anyway, cookies are fine, pretty much every site (e.g. Unz, Twitter) uses them, and the Mossad (or anyone) has much better methods of tracking your browsing habits. If you're really paranoid about them then open the page in a private window (cmd+shift+p on Firefox, cmd+shift+n on Safari or Chrome, although if you care about privacy you shouldn't be using Chrome).

    I think everyone has noticed that Israeli websites in general load slow and have unusually high levels of cookies, adds and pop ups.

  169. @Cagey Beast
    Report: Kevin Spacey Enters Same Sex Addiction Rehab Clinic Used by Harvey Weinstein
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/06/report-kevin-spacey-enters-sex-addiction-rehab-clinic

    I can understand why Spacey is at a same-sex addiction clinic but why is Weinstein there?

    Cagey, I’m waiting for a tie in to Tiger Woods, another sex addict.

  170. @syonredux

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”
     
    Dunno. Sinatra made a fool of himself over Ava Gardner.....

    Ava stormed off, phoned her ex-husband, Artie Shaw, and arranged to see him at his flat. Before leaving, she provocatively left her address book open at the page containing his address.


    Nothing, she knew, was more likely to inflame Sinatra’s jealousy. And, sure enough, 20 minutes after she’d arrived at Artie’s, her lover showed up. As Ava told it afterwards, he looked like a hoodlum in his raincoat and trilby, with his hands deep in his pockets as though clutching a revolver.
    His eyes swept the room and found Ava sitting in a chair with a drink in her hand, looking smug.
    Suddenly deflated, he turned around and walked out of the door, without saying a word.



    Half an hour later, Ava returned to the hotel suite she was sharing with Sinatra, kicked off her heels and began to drift off. Suddenly, she was awakened by the phone: it was her lover calling from the other bedroom.
    ‘I can’t stand it any more,’ he said, sounding desperate. ‘I’m gonna kill myself. Right now.’
    There were two loud shots. Ava screamed and ran into his bedroom. Sinatra was lying on the floor with his eyes closed, a gun smoking in his hand.

     


    Soon afterwards, she left to make a film, Pandora And The Flying Dutchman, in Spain. This provided both a welcome breather from Sinatra’s theatrics and a rather dashing Spanish matador-turned-actor, Mario Cabré, who was playing her bullfighter-lover.
    ‘After one of those romantic, star-filled, dance-filled, booze-filled Spanish nights, I woke up to find myself in bed with him,’ she would later confess.
    Of course, the fling with Mario wasn’t serious — but the ex-bullfighter used it to generate publicity for his career. ‘I am in love with her,’ he said in a prepared statement. ‘This is pure love.’
    Back in the U.S., the Press reports drove Sinatra, now aged 34, to the brink of despair.
    One thing was clear: Sinatra needed Ava more than she needed him.

     


    Later that evening, they had a row about the definition of commitment. ‘If you ever treat me the way you’ve treated Nancy,’ Ava warned him, ‘I’ll kill you.’
    Sinatra told Ava she was ‘nothing but a whore’. In response, she ran barefoot out into the dark night.
    Her maid, Rene, found her later, sobbing and about to wade into the lake. After being escorted back to her room, Ava decided to leave: she ended up driving at 100mph all the way to her home in Los Angeles.
    She’d been there only 15 minutes when the phone rang. It was Sinatra’s manager. ‘Frank took an overdose of sleeping pills,’ he told her. ‘The doctor’s here. He doesn’t think he’ll make it.’
    Apparently, when Frank realised that Ava had left, he’d swallowed a handful of sleeping pills. Fortunately, he’d been found by his valet a few hours later.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183414/How-cold-steel-Ava-Gardner-drove-Sinatra-try-kill-TWICE-Two-abortions-smoking-gin-Told-time-story-Old-Blue-Eyes-greatest-fatal-obsession.html

    The kidnapping of Frank Jr, was of greater consequence than Frank Sr.’s domestic trouble with Ava Gardner by a considerable margin.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The kidnapping of Frank Jr, was of greater consequence than Frank Sr.’s domestic trouble with Ava Gardner by a considerable margin.
     
    Sure. But I was responding to this:

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”
     
    The Ava business indicates that Frank Sr wasn't all that tough....
  171. @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    Eddie Haskell liked to refer to him as Theodore, because the Beav didn’t like that name. I recall him unctuously asking June Cleaver, “And how’s little Theodore?”

  172. @Thea
    Maybe all the Russian hysteria is just really elaborate Ukranian propaganda?

    Do Ukrainians do anything elaborately other than paint Easter eggs? I’ve never got the impression they do complexity or nuance. They have a certain peasant cunning but that’s about it.

  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Sinatra would have been 71 years old at the time of Ronan's conception in 1987... Quite a feat before Viagra.
    Also, you'd think Mia would have been sleeping around with younger, better-looking men at the time.
    Sorry, he does not look like Sinatra. But he does look half-Jewish. There are plenty of Jews in Hollywood : it could have been Woody Allen or any other Jewish guy. Why not Harvey Weinstein? Lol!

    And there’s no way Frank would have sired a poofter like Ronan:

    “Ronan Farrow loves the ladies — and guys, too”

    https://pagesix.com/2013/11/08/ronan-farrow-loves-the-ladies-and-guys-too/

    Ronan Farrow — Mia Farrow’s precocious 25-year-old son with either Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra — can’t be categorized as to his sexual orientation.

    Farrow, who will launch a show on MSNBC in January, has come under pressure from gays to come out of the closet.

    But a friend of his told me, “He’s not in the closet. He’s been with guys, but he’s also been with girls. He’s open about both.”

    • LOL: BB753
  174. Rosemary’s baby really taking on some risk here…

  175. @David In TN
    The kidnapping of Frank Jr, was of greater consequence than Frank Sr.'s domestic trouble with Ava Gardner by a considerable margin.

    The kidnapping of Frank Jr, was of greater consequence than Frank Sr.’s domestic trouble with Ava Gardner by a considerable margin.

    Sure. But I was responding to this:

    Anybody besides me remember the 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr.? The ringleader picked Frank Jr. as the victim, so he said, because he felt Frank Sr. was “tough enough to handle it.”

    The Ava business indicates that Frank Sr wasn’t all that tough….

  176. @ATate
    If you Google Ronan Farrow, the right hand side of the page has a wiki "snapshot". Frank Sinatra is listed as Ronan's Father, lol. So is Woody, but I think it's funny that Frank's in there too.

    Wouldn’t be incredible if a technology exist whereby you could just send a few cells swabbed from your cheek and determine your paternity?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Dear God, you must be very young. It's a terrible idea, that could only be born in an already crumbling social group.
  177. @Altai

    Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.
     
    If only the current allegations are true, I'd agree. But there's talk that Spacey did things far worse than Weinstein. (At least far worse than what Weinstein has been accused of so far) Perhaps it's wiser to see if those are true, because they change entirely the nature of what kind of person Spacey is.

    Believe me, when I say Spacey’s situation is sadder MAYBE for him, that does NOT mean I think he should get a free pass either legally or socially even if only the current allegations are found to be true.

    I find his alleged behavior far more reprehensible and repellent than I do Weinstein’s. AFAIK, Weinstein was basically saying “Put out or get out” to budding actresses, all of whom brought themselves to his attention by their career choice. Apparently Spacey sought out vulnerable teens and young men who feared loss of employment in the service industry if they reported him. At least Weinstein offered his alleged victims a chance to further their careers. All Spacey offered his was a chance to have sex with him and maybe a watch if he thought he’d gone too far. I find his alleged behavior far more predatory than Weinstein’s. I also think both men would be highly resistant to any meaningful realization of the damage they’ve apparently done. Spacey makes my flesh crawl.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    All Spacey offered his was a chance to have sex with him and maybe a watch if he thought he’d gone too far. I find his alleged behavior far more predatory than Weinstein’s.
     
    Where was Spacey when the 14-year-old Rufus Wainwright was raped in a London park? Was that guy ever caught?
  178. @whorefinder
    David Boies is a Dem power player whose name should be known better, for many reasons.

    -Major league trial attorney; he broke General Westmoreland on the stand when Westmoreland sued CBS for libel.

    -Hot head diva. He was a big name at a big law firm in NYC, but when one client objected to their representing another major client, Boies left the firm in a huff and started his own law firm out of his house in Westchester---msotly so he wouldn't have to commute.

    -Argued Bush v. Gore for Gore.

    -Represented Michael Moore as part of one of his documentaries.

    -Big Weinstein guy. It was Boies who paid off the Manhattan DA with a campaign donation in return for not prosecuting Weinstein a few years back.

    We can conclude Boies is probably neck deep in a lot of D politics. He should be watched. Closely.

    On the good side (at least in my book), Boies did a good job litigating antitrust suit against Microsoft in the late 1990s when the government hired him to help them.

  179. @Clyde

    But it strikes me that to a nice person, Spacey’s situation is much sadder and seedier than Weinstein’s, certainly for his accusers and maybe even for Spacey himself.
     
    Weinstein was an exuberant, happy warrior type of abuser. Who figured, I am in the business and this is definitely one of the perks! Spacey was not that. He took up the offer (gay networking?) to direct the Old Vic to get out of LA, things were getting too hot there. And to sample London's "rum, sodomy and the lash".


    Kevin Spacey: Old Vic accused of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations
    www.theguardian.com › Arts › Kevin Spacey
    Nov 01, 2017 · Actors and former staff at the Old Vic have accused the theatre of turning a blind eye to inappropriate ... Cavazos said his direct experiences with Spacey ...

    Agreed. Weinstein apparently viewed all the “talent” to be his for the taking as perks of the job, like a corner office or lavish entertainment budget. Spacey didn’t offer a quid pro quo. He was just plain creepy because apparently he’d hit on any attractive young guy any time anywhere. I get doing that at a gay bar where presumably all the customers are gay. But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts. Some of his accusers definitely looked gay. Others just as definitely did not.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts

    It's not just nuts, it's downright dangerous. Make a pass at the wrong guy and you could end up in the hospital, or worse, but apparently some gays are into this dangerous game.
  180. @IHTG
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/DeanDeChiaro/status/927709942185852929

    The Manhattan DA supposedly has an indictment sealed. The problem is this will just be another OJ trial. He’ll walk or plead on some gravy charge his gold plated legal counsel arranges for him. Worst case hell do half a yr in some dorm room type minimum security prison and move to Israel or France after and finish off his career w endless hookers and Mossad procured dope.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yes, what a shame that conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It would be much better if we could just always believe the woman they way they do in those college tribunals.

    Trying Weinstein in the press has been loads of fun. Harvey Weinstein raped me ! On several different dates! Sending someone to jail for something that supposedly happened many years ago and for which there is no evidence is quite another matter. Harvey's lawyers still have all the files with the dirt that they dug up on these women. None of them are blushing virgins. Rose McGowan used to wear dresses on the red carpet that hookers would be ashamed to wear in public. Harvey gets on the stand and says that yes we did it - it was consensual. A good time was had by all! Afterward, she sent me nice emails which I have right here. How can the prosecutors ever show beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't?
  181. @Rosamond Vincy
    All this stuff is way more dramatic than any of Weiny's movies. Holy moly, the only people who could do it justice are the folks at Lifetime Channel (which I refuse to watch).

    I used to love watching The Lifetime Movie Network before I gave up cable. Much funnier than anything put out by Comedy Central or SNL. It reliably offered any number of “so bad it’s good” movies. And Tracey Gold, Kellie Martin, Tori Spelling, Judith Light and my personal favorite, Meredith Baxter, could always be counted to entertain with their earnest emoting.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I've been told Lifetime movies have inspired a number of drinking games.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Seriously. Female friend warns heroine about evil male, take a swig. Heroine ignores female friend and marries or moves in with evil male, take a swig. Strange things happen with finances or baby cries every time evil male enters room, take a swig....
    , @guest
    Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?

    (My favorite novel title, incidentally, is: Eating People Is Wrong.)
  182. @Anon
    You obviously don't know a thing about Sinatra's very pink politics. Take a look at "The House Where I Live" on YouTube, or read about the Hollywood 10. And, um, JFK ring a bell? Ringading ding!

    I think he moved to the Right in the late ’60s, as many people did.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "I think he moved to the Right in the late 60's, as many people did."

    Frank Sinatra endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1970 when Reagan ran for reelection as Governor of California.
  183. @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    I’m a huge LITB fan. Love everything about it.

  184. @Anon
    I wonder about the mentality of agents who went through the whole training process of making it into Mossad, being imbued with the entire history about Mossad being a pillar of the protection of the Israeli state against its destruction by its many enemies, and yet ending up being people who do nothing except help a rapist and sexual harasser stalk his victims, and doing it for no other reason except that it's a paying job.

    Flipping burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage has more dignity, honor, and class to it than that.

    None of the effing Mossad agents could make themselves say NO to Weinstein. Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea? Not a single one either had the brains--or if they did--had the honor to do it.

    What a pack of weasels. They deserve to lose to their Islamic enemies.

    People of every race, creed, color, and national origin have been known to sell out.

  185. @Kylie
    Believe me, when I say Spacey's situation is sadder MAYBE for him, that does NOT mean I think he should get a free pass either legally or socially even if only the current allegations are found to be true.

    I find his alleged behavior far more reprehensible and repellent than I do Weinstein's. AFAIK, Weinstein was basically saying "Put out or get out" to budding actresses, all of whom brought themselves to his attention by their career choice. Apparently Spacey sought out vulnerable teens and young men who feared loss of employment in the service industry if they reported him. At least Weinstein offered his alleged victims a chance to further their careers. All Spacey offered his was a chance to have sex with him and maybe a watch if he thought he'd gone too far. I find his alleged behavior far more predatory than Weinstein's. I also think both men would be highly resistant to any meaningful realization of the damage they've apparently done. Spacey makes my flesh crawl.

    All Spacey offered his was a chance to have sex with him and maybe a watch if he thought he’d gone too far. I find his alleged behavior far more predatory than Weinstein’s.

    Where was Spacey when the 14-year-old Rufus Wainwright was raped in a London park? Was that guy ever caught?

  186. @syonredux

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive.

    Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.
     
    She's got some good performances to her credit. Polanski used her fragility to good effect in Rosemary's Baby. And she was outstanding as the waitress torn between dreary reality and glittering fantasy in The Purple Rose of Cairo*. As for her looks, chacun à son goût. I thought that peak Mia was quite pretty, albeit in a delicate, porcelain doll way.


    *For my money, Woody Allen's best film. Of course, it is a tad derivative of Buster Keaton's Sherlock,jr....

    As for her looks, chacun à son goût. I thought that peak Mia was quite pretty, albeit in a delicate, porcelain doll way.

    With a little– okay, a lot– more verve and personality, she might have been our answer to Audrey Hepburn.

  187. @Anon
    I wonder about the mentality of agents who went through the whole training process of making it into Mossad, being imbued with the entire history about Mossad being a pillar of the protection of the Israeli state against its destruction by its many enemies, and yet ending up being people who do nothing except help a rapist and sexual harasser stalk his victims, and doing it for no other reason except that it's a paying job.

    Flipping burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage has more dignity, honor, and class to it than that.

    None of the effing Mossad agents could make themselves say NO to Weinstein. Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea? Not a single one either had the brains--or if they did--had the honor to do it.

    What a pack of weasels. They deserve to lose to their Islamic enemies.

    Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea?

    There are a lot of Mossad agents. I’m sure he paid someone well to vet them, to see which ones would “stay bought”.

    Or maybe he had something on those individuals… Intelligence works both ways.

  188. It’ll be interesting to see how long Harvey has to go without getting work in Hollywood. I mean, it’s not like he made a Biblically-accurate movie about Christ or said Jews start wars, or anything.

  189. @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse!

    In those days, many if most young Richards were called Dick. Is “Fun With Dick and Jane” about sex and drugs and whatever preceded rock and roll? “If I give you some Jane to Puff, will you Sally with my Dick? I know just the Spot. Oh! Oh!”

    Oh, and kids in Beaver’s day wore “coon skin hats”. Let’s not even go there…

  190. @Kylie
    I used to love watching The Lifetime Movie Network before I gave up cable. Much funnier than anything put out by Comedy Central or SNL. It reliably offered any number of "so bad it's good" movies. And Tracey Gold, Kellie Martin, Tori Spelling, Judith Light and my personal favorite, Meredith Baxter, could always be counted to entertain with their earnest emoting.

    I’ve been told Lifetime movies have inspired a number of drinking games.

    • LOL: Kylie
  191. @Rosamond Vincy
    Ronan is good-looking, and Allen is ugly as homemade sin, so I favor the Sinatra theory too.
    I sincerely hope his bio father WAS Sinatra, as I'm sure he does too. Sinatra was a slut-puppy thug, but not a perv. Allen is sick trash. He stopped working with a teenaged Mariel Hemingway when she turned down his invitation to go to Europe unless they had separate hotel rooms.

    I’ve heard of sluts and puppies but what’s a slut-puppy?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Slut-puppies chase after sluts.
  192. @snorlax

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    This is because of an EU law requiring all websites operating in the EU (so, all websites) to display a notice before setting cookies.

    Anyway, cookies are fine, pretty much every site (e.g. Unz, Twitter) uses them, and the Mossad (or anyone) has much better methods of tracking your browsing habits. If you're really paranoid about them then open the page in a private window (cmd+shift+p on Firefox, cmd+shift+n on Safari or Chrome, although if you care about privacy you shouldn't be using Chrome).

    The problem with cookies is that the webmaster of each site you visit gets to know all the other sites you’ve visited.

  193. @the one they call Desanex
    Ronan’s full name is Satchel Ronan O’Sullivan Farrow. Woody named him after Satchel Paige. Isn’t that reason enough for him to hate Woody? Even Paige’s parents didn’t give him that name at birth (his name was Leroy).

    By the same token, isn’t it odd that Beaver Cleaver’s parents called him “Beaver”? They gave him a perfectly good name at birth (Theodore), but somewhere along the line they started calling him “Beaver”. Child abuse! Still, Leave It to Beaver was a great show. Eddie Haskell was one of the great characters in TV history.

    If Ronan started going by Satchel and started channeling Frank’s masculinity instead of Pajama Boy, the world would be his oyster.

    Even Satchel’s masculinity would be an improvement.

  194. In addition to the many services provided by Black Cube, does it provide ex-Mossad agents to perform hits? The possibility doesn’t seem too far-fetched to me these days.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Mossad has rubbed out a lot of people over the years.
  195. @Harry Baldwin
    In addition to the many services provided by Black Cube, does it provide ex-Mossad agents to perform hits? The possibility doesn't seem too far-fetched to me these days.

    Mossad has rubbed out a lot of people over the years.

  196. @Hibernian
    I think he moved to the Right in the late '60s, as many people did.

    “I think he moved to the Right in the late 60’s, as many people did.”

    Frank Sinatra endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1970 when Reagan ran for reelection as Governor of California.

  197. @Anon
    I've heard of sluts and puppies but what's a slut-puppy?

    Slut-puppies chase after sluts.

  198. @Kylie
    I used to love watching The Lifetime Movie Network before I gave up cable. Much funnier than anything put out by Comedy Central or SNL. It reliably offered any number of "so bad it's good" movies. And Tracey Gold, Kellie Martin, Tori Spelling, Judith Light and my personal favorite, Meredith Baxter, could always be counted to entertain with their earnest emoting.

    Seriously. Female friend warns heroine about evil male, take a swig. Heroine ignores female friend and marries or moves in with evil male, take a swig. Strange things happen with finances or baby cries every time evil male enters room, take a swig….

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Lol! Heroine is threatened by controlling male partner, take a swig, heroine puts on cheerful facade when quizzed by her best friend, take a swig, heroine runs into old flame nice guy, take a swig, heroine's work suffers as she stresses out about dysfunctional relationship, take a swig.

    Watching Lifetime movies could turn anyone into a problem drinker.
  199. @Anonymous
    I'm noticing that you don't like the idea of noticing Spacey's predilections. I wonder why.....

    Have you taken note of the many allegations and suspicions about Bryan Singer? If not, may we wonder why?

  200. @Clyde

    I dunno. Actually, I always wondered why Mia Farrow was popular. I found her quite unattractive. Could someone explain her popularity to me? She’s definitely one where I never got it, maybe even the foremost example.
     
    She was not that popular. Just a constant presence due to having parents in the business and sheer longevity. She was acting early on. I never thought much of her. Also her short marriage to Frank at age 25 got her lots of visibility and "fame".

    I thought that she was very good in “Broadway Danny Rose”. I also thought that she was good in “Rosemary’s Baby.” She can definitely act well.

  201. @Kylie
    Agreed. Weinstein apparently viewed all the "talent" to be his for the taking as perks of the job, like a corner office or lavish entertainment budget. Spacey didn't offer a quid pro quo. He was just plain creepy because apparently he'd hit on any attractive young guy any time anywhere. I get doing that at a gay bar where presumably all the customers are gay. But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts. Some of his accusers definitely looked gay. Others just as definitely did not.

    >>But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts

    It’s not just nuts, it’s downright dangerous. Make a pass at the wrong guy and you could end up in the hospital, or worse, but apparently some gays are into this dangerous game.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts

    It’s not just nuts, it’s downright dangerous. Make a pass at the wrong guy and you could end up in the hospital, or worse, but apparently some gays are into this dangerous game."

    I don't think Spacey was taking as many chances as some non-famous person. He's instantly recognizable with a lot of money and power. That would tend to deter all but complete nut jobs. Police wouldn't blow off any complaint he might make and his version of events would be accepted, if at all possible.
  202. @guest
    I can see that, but why does a guy like Sinatra go along with the times? He was already famous, and could've kept picking women like Ava Gardner. To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don't get it.

    Of course, he didn't maintain consistent levels of fame. There were ups and downs. Maybe he had to ingratiate himself with hipsters to have one of his "comebacks," I dunno.

    >>To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don’t get it.

    By her own admission, Ava Gardner was a whore/slut. She screwed anybody. Mia Farrow, although she had some divorces, appears to be a family oriented woman who is most happy at home tending to her family. If you can’t see the appeal of that, well, you don’t see the appeal of that.

    • Replies: @guest
    I was talking about appearance, obviously. Sinatra could find a girl with Gardner's body type who acted more like Farrow. It's not like the latter is the only family-oriented woman in the world.
    , @Anonymous
    Ava screwed a fair number of guys, but not just anybody. She liked bullfighters.

    Frank went nuts for Ava because she was the one woman he could not dominate.

    Mia wanted kids with Frank, but he was done with that part of his life.
  203. @European-American

    The website demanded permission to load cookies on my computer before opening its web page, so I bailed out.
     
    I’m not sure if you’re joking. Their website does have an alarmingly slow loading time, at first only showing just a black cube. I read about this in a William Gibson novel, bail out, bail out!

    In reality, the cookie message is alarming in a different way. A European law requires all web sites using cookies, i.e all web sites, to ask each visitor’s permission for using cookies.

    The inflexible mindless useless idiocy of this law makes me worry about our future. The world will end, not with nuclear apocalypse or climate explosion or evil AI takeover, but in an orgy of mutually canceling bolilerplate dialog boxes. But perhaps I am being too neurotic.


    With the passing of Directive 2009/136/EC, which has come to be known as the Cookie Law, the European Parliament mandated that all countries within the EU must setup laws requiring websites to obtain informed consent before they can store or retrieve information on a visitor’s computer or web-enabled device.

    In other words, if you’re in Europe and host a website that uses cookies, you are required to tell your visitors that you’re using cookies, let them know what those cookies are being used for, and get their consent before you can place cookies on their device.

    https://privacypolicies.com/blog/eu-cookie-law/
     

    I think this law has been allowed to be struck off as people realize a cookie is just a device to hold state and faffing around with URL rewriting to achieve that effect is Bad.

    To keep your browser cache clean so that you do not tell advertisers and Google where you have been lately, install cache-cleaning add-ons (e.g. Empty Cache Button).

    Also, use NoScript.

    And if you are using Flash, you are basically asking for a mugging.

  204. @Daniel H
    >>But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts

    It's not just nuts, it's downright dangerous. Make a pass at the wrong guy and you could end up in the hospital, or worse, but apparently some gays are into this dangerous game.

    “But to assume that out in public, any random young male will be receptive to homosexual advances is just nuts

    It’s not just nuts, it’s downright dangerous. Make a pass at the wrong guy and you could end up in the hospital, or worse, but apparently some gays are into this dangerous game.”

    I don’t think Spacey was taking as many chances as some non-famous person. He’s instantly recognizable with a lot of money and power. That would tend to deter all but complete nut jobs. Police wouldn’t blow off any complaint he might make and his version of events would be accepted, if at all possible.

  205. @Rosamond Vincy
    Seriously. Female friend warns heroine about evil male, take a swig. Heroine ignores female friend and marries or moves in with evil male, take a swig. Strange things happen with finances or baby cries every time evil male enters room, take a swig....

    Lol! Heroine is threatened by controlling male partner, take a swig, heroine puts on cheerful facade when quizzed by her best friend, take a swig, heroine runs into old flame nice guy, take a swig, heroine’s work suffers as she stresses out about dysfunctional relationship, take a swig.

    Watching Lifetime movies could turn anyone into a problem drinker.

  206. @Daniel H
    >>To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don’t get it.

    By her own admission, Ava Gardner was a whore/slut. She screwed anybody. Mia Farrow, although she had some divorces, appears to be a family oriented woman who is most happy at home tending to her family. If you can't see the appeal of that, well, you don't see the appeal of that.

    I was talking about appearance, obviously. Sinatra could find a girl with Gardner’s body type who acted more like Farrow. It’s not like the latter is the only family-oriented woman in the world.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    A family-oriented woman with a body like this?
    https://www.icp.org/icpmedia/c/a/p/a/capa_robert_2013_92_145_415953_displaysize.jpg
    Good luck with that.
  207. @Kylie
    I used to love watching The Lifetime Movie Network before I gave up cable. Much funnier than anything put out by Comedy Central or SNL. It reliably offered any number of "so bad it's good" movies. And Tracey Gold, Kellie Martin, Tori Spelling, Judith Light and my personal favorite, Meredith Baxter, could always be counted to entertain with their earnest emoting.

    Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?

    (My favorite novel title, incidentally, is: Eating People Is Wrong.)

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Carlos Danger?
    , @Kylie
    "Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?"

    I've actually seen that movie--twice--and it was my favorite movie title until it was knocked out of first place by Baby Monitor: Sound of Fear.
  208. @guest
    Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?

    (My favorite novel title, incidentally, is: Eating People Is Wrong.)

    Carlos Danger?

  209. @Rosamond Vincy
    Is this a reference to the Borg?
    "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

    It could be but it is also a reference to the Kaaba.

  210. @neutral
    There is no way this was just meant to gather information, they were very likely also hired to threaten and behave like thugs to silence the accusers.

    I would like to try to get a sense of how much of an impact on journalism this kind of operation has, overall. There are times when important stories are black holed, or trivial stories promoted. Does this explain some of that?

  211. @guest
    You think going after homos (not that way) doesn't rile us up?

    The Homo Question is indeed important .

    The Spacey story is pretty standard Hollywood scandal material–*yawn*. Weinstein hiring ex-Mossad spies to intimidate and shut down his victims who wanted to reveal his crimes, and reporters who wanted to talk to them, is like a million times as interesting. Not because of Weinstein and his golden casting couch, but because it shows us some mechanisms that powerful people use to shut down people who want to cause them trouble, including journalists.

  212. “Ray Donovan” on HBO. Same story except Liev Shreiber makes the fixer Irish. It has a former Mossad agent “Avi” as an enforcer.

  213. @Dave Pinsen
    There is such a thing as colored contacts, and it's not inconceivable that a young gay man (Ronan claims he's bi) would be vain enough to wear them. Do we know Farrow's natural eye color?

    He sometimes wears colored contacts (if you search it was a gossip item in 2014), but I am not finding a straight answer as to his natural eye color.

  214. @Anon
    I wonder about the mentality of agents who went through the whole training process of making it into Mossad, being imbued with the entire history about Mossad being a pillar of the protection of the Israeli state against its destruction by its many enemies, and yet ending up being people who do nothing except help a rapist and sexual harasser stalk his victims, and doing it for no other reason except that it's a paying job.

    Flipping burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage has more dignity, honor, and class to it than that.

    None of the effing Mossad agents could make themselves say NO to Weinstein. Did NONE of them ask if Weinstein was actually guilty and revolt against the whole idea? Not a single one either had the brains--or if they did--had the honor to do it.

    What a pack of weasels. They deserve to lose to their Islamic enemies.

    I’m sure you were strongly in favor of Mossad and Zionism up until now, but this was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  215. @Neoconned
    The Manhattan DA supposedly has an indictment sealed. The problem is this will just be another OJ trial. He'll walk or plead on some gravy charge his gold plated legal counsel arranges for him. Worst case hell do half a yr in some dorm room type minimum security prison and move to Israel or France after and finish off his career w endless hookers and Mossad procured dope.

    Yes, what a shame that conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It would be much better if we could just always believe the woman they way they do in those college tribunals.

    Trying Weinstein in the press has been loads of fun. Harvey Weinstein raped me ! On several different dates! Sending someone to jail for something that supposedly happened many years ago and for which there is no evidence is quite another matter. Harvey’s lawyers still have all the files with the dirt that they dug up on these women. None of them are blushing virgins. Rose McGowan used to wear dresses on the red carpet that hookers would be ashamed to wear in public. Harvey gets on the stand and says that yes we did it – it was consensual. A good time was had by all! Afterward, she sent me nice emails which I have right here. How can the prosecutors ever show beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t?

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the "believe survivors" mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.
  216. @Jack D
    Yes, what a shame that conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It would be much better if we could just always believe the woman they way they do in those college tribunals.

    Trying Weinstein in the press has been loads of fun. Harvey Weinstein raped me ! On several different dates! Sending someone to jail for something that supposedly happened many years ago and for which there is no evidence is quite another matter. Harvey's lawyers still have all the files with the dirt that they dug up on these women. None of them are blushing virgins. Rose McGowan used to wear dresses on the red carpet that hookers would be ashamed to wear in public. Harvey gets on the stand and says that yes we did it - it was consensual. A good time was had by all! Afterward, she sent me nice emails which I have right here. How can the prosecutors ever show beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't?

    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the “believe survivors” mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the “believe survivors” mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.
     
    Actors pretend for a living. Would it surprise you to hear that they can lie quite convincingly, especially for a good cause? Especially when that good cause involves getting former marquee names in the news again, as heroic martyrs, giving them a chance to secure future acting parts? Not to mention the possibility of securing hefty settlements in civil suits against a wealthy guy like Weinstein?
    , @Jack D
    I am not saying that he didn't do (some of) the things that he is accused of. There is probably too much smoke for there not to be any fire. Some of these women may be lying but it's doubtful that they are ALL lying. But believing this to be true and convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. In many (most) cases, years and years have passed since the alleged incident, there is no physical evidence, the accuser did not come forward immediately, etc. Any one of these, let alone all of them, may be fatal to the state's case. Their best hope is to accuse him of a whole bunch of things which together would carry a VERY long sentence and hope that he pleads down to the expected value. For example, if he and his lawyers assess that he has a 5% chance of a receiving 20 year sentence he might agree to plead to a 1 year sentence as the "safe" alternative.
  217. @AnotherGuessModel
    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the "believe survivors" mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.

    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the “believe survivors” mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.

    Actors pretend for a living. Would it surprise you to hear that they can lie quite convincingly, especially for a good cause? Especially when that good cause involves getting former marquee names in the news again, as heroic martyrs, giving them a chance to secure future acting parts? Not to mention the possibility of securing hefty settlements in civil suits against a wealthy guy like Weinstein?

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    Based on the media coverage, now spanning dozens upon dozens of women, and dozens of people privy to knowledge of some alleged assaults for entire decades, Weinstein's behavior wildly transgressed the "casting couch", which he no doubt also indulged in. Add to that accusations of vicious intimidation by Weinstein against some of the women he allegedly abused, culminating in his psychotic use of military-trained spies, which there is actual evidence for. Is there any information, establishment of patterns, evidence, anything at all, that would make you consider there might be credence to the allegations? At least to some allegations? Or are all these women lying opportunists?

    It's not just actresses and models accusing Weinstein of sexual abuse fyi.

  218. @guest
    Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?

    (My favorite novel title, incidentally, is: Eating People Is Wrong.)

    “Tori Spelling starred in the best titled tv movie ever: Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?”

    I’ve actually seen that movie–twice–and it was my favorite movie title until it was knocked out of first place by Baby Monitor: Sound of Fear.

  219. @AnotherGuessModel
    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the "believe survivors" mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.

    I am not saying that he didn’t do (some of) the things that he is accused of. There is probably too much smoke for there not to be any fire. Some of these women may be lying but it’s doubtful that they are ALL lying. But believing this to be true and convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. In many (most) cases, years and years have passed since the alleged incident, there is no physical evidence, the accuser did not come forward immediately, etc. Any one of these, let alone all of them, may be fatal to the state’s case. Their best hope is to accuse him of a whole bunch of things which together would carry a VERY long sentence and hope that he pleads down to the expected value. For example, if he and his lawyers assess that he has a 5% chance of a receiving 20 year sentence he might agree to plead to a 1 year sentence as the “safe” alternative.

  220. @Jack D
    Wouldn't be incredible if a technology exist whereby you could just send a few cells swabbed from your cheek and determine your paternity?

    Dear God, you must be very young. It’s a terrible idea, that could only be born in an already crumbling social group.

  221. @Johann Ricke

    This is uncharacteristic of your usually thoughtful comments. I am also weary of trials by media and the “believe survivors” mantra, but there are plenty of accounts of his behavior that, if actionable in a court of law, unambiguously sound like sexual violations, often devastating ones.
     
    Actors pretend for a living. Would it surprise you to hear that they can lie quite convincingly, especially for a good cause? Especially when that good cause involves getting former marquee names in the news again, as heroic martyrs, giving them a chance to secure future acting parts? Not to mention the possibility of securing hefty settlements in civil suits against a wealthy guy like Weinstein?

    Based on the media coverage, now spanning dozens upon dozens of women, and dozens of people privy to knowledge of some alleged assaults for entire decades, Weinstein’s behavior wildly transgressed the “casting couch”, which he no doubt also indulged in. Add to that accusations of vicious intimidation by Weinstein against some of the women he allegedly abused, culminating in his psychotic use of military-trained spies, which there is actual evidence for. Is there any information, establishment of patterns, evidence, anything at all, that would make you consider there might be credence to the allegations? At least to some allegations? Or are all these women lying opportunists?

    It’s not just actresses and models accusing Weinstein of sexual abuse fyi.

  222. Is there any information, establishment of patterns, evidence, anything at all, that would make you consider there might be credence to the allegations? At least to some allegations? Or are all these women lying opportunists?

    Physical evidence of rape allegations by multiple non-actresses, who also agree not to sue for monetary damages, if the rape charges stick and he gets a prison term, would be pretty damning. Why is physical evidence alone not determinative? Because unless the woman is also beaten badly during the act, there’s very difference, from an evidentiary standpoint, between rape and regular sexual intercourse.

  223. @guest
    I was talking about appearance, obviously. Sinatra could find a girl with Gardner's body type who acted more like Farrow. It's not like the latter is the only family-oriented woman in the world.

    A family-oriented woman with a body like this?

    Good luck with that.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    In case the previous image was not sufficiently straightforward:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f7/65/2d/f7652d93eb38405ae26aacd3eae0e03e--barefoot-contessa-ava-gardener.jpg
  224. @Rosamond Vincy
    A family-oriented woman with a body like this?
    https://www.icp.org/icpmedia/c/a/p/a/capa_robert_2013_92_145_415953_displaysize.jpg
    Good luck with that.

    In case the previous image was not sufficiently straightforward:

    • Replies: @guest
    The body doesn't determine the personality.

    From what I understand, she was a virgin when she married Andy Rooney (or "Andy Hard-on"), and he did lovely things like cheat on her while she had her appendix out. Running through the Hollywood gauntlet and a series of relationships with crappy husbands/boyfriends like Rooney, Howard Hughes, and Artie Shaw soured her before Sinatra got to her.

    Admittedly, most girls who look like that will be magnets for abuse. And there is wisdom in the old song about getting an ugly girl to marry you. But Sinatra could cast his net anywhere in the world. He didn't need to fish in the moral sewer of Hollywood.

    , @Anonymous
    Ava Gardner was the only woman in Hollywood history that could give Marilyn Monroe a serious challenge in exuding pure sex onscreen. And of the two, Ava was the better actress, even though Monroe's acting abilities were never really acknowledged in her lifetime. (Neither was Meryl Streep. But watch their films now, you don't care.)
  225. @Rosamond Vincy
    In case the previous image was not sufficiently straightforward:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f7/65/2d/f7652d93eb38405ae26aacd3eae0e03e--barefoot-contessa-ava-gardener.jpg

    The body doesn’t determine the personality.

    From what I understand, she was a virgin when she married Andy Rooney (or “Andy Hard-on”), and he did lovely things like cheat on her while she had her appendix out. Running through the Hollywood gauntlet and a series of relationships with crappy husbands/boyfriends like Rooney, Howard Hughes, and Artie Shaw soured her before Sinatra got to her.

    Admittedly, most girls who look like that will be magnets for abuse. And there is wisdom in the old song about getting an ugly girl to marry you. But Sinatra could cast his net anywhere in the world. He didn’t need to fish in the moral sewer of Hollywood.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    To give her credit, that entire scene in _The Barefoot Contessa_ shows how slutty it's possible to look without removing a stitch of clothing besides shoes.
    That's a lost art, judging by folks like the Kardashians.
  226. @guest
    The body doesn't determine the personality.

    From what I understand, she was a virgin when she married Andy Rooney (or "Andy Hard-on"), and he did lovely things like cheat on her while she had her appendix out. Running through the Hollywood gauntlet and a series of relationships with crappy husbands/boyfriends like Rooney, Howard Hughes, and Artie Shaw soured her before Sinatra got to her.

    Admittedly, most girls who look like that will be magnets for abuse. And there is wisdom in the old song about getting an ugly girl to marry you. But Sinatra could cast his net anywhere in the world. He didn't need to fish in the moral sewer of Hollywood.

    To give her credit, that entire scene in _The Barefoot Contessa_ shows how slutty it’s possible to look without removing a stitch of clothing besides shoes.
    That’s a lost art, judging by folks like the Kardashians.

  227. @Daniel H
    >>To go from Ava Gardner-types to Mia Farrow-types, I don’t get it.

    By her own admission, Ava Gardner was a whore/slut. She screwed anybody. Mia Farrow, although she had some divorces, appears to be a family oriented woman who is most happy at home tending to her family. If you can't see the appeal of that, well, you don't see the appeal of that.

    Ava screwed a fair number of guys, but not just anybody. She liked bullfighters.

    Frank went nuts for Ava because she was the one woman he could not dominate.

    Mia wanted kids with Frank, but he was done with that part of his life.

  228. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    In case the previous image was not sufficiently straightforward:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f7/65/2d/f7652d93eb38405ae26aacd3eae0e03e--barefoot-contessa-ava-gardener.jpg

    Ava Gardner was the only woman in Hollywood history that could give Marilyn Monroe a serious challenge in exuding pure sex onscreen. And of the two, Ava was the better actress, even though Monroe’s acting abilities were never really acknowledged in her lifetime. (Neither was Meryl Streep. But watch their films now, you don’t care.)

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