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Meet the Farooks with USA Today:

Dad: San Bernardino shooter agreed with ISIL, ‘obsessed with Israel’
Oren Dorell, USA TODAY 6:02 p.m. EST December 6, 2015

The father of San Bernardino suspect Syed Rizwan Farook told an Italian newspaper that his son expressed support for the Islamic State group and was obsessed with Israel.

The father, who is also named Syed Farook, told La Stampa that his son took on an overly conservative outlook on Islam and at least once expressed support for ideas promoted by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State militant group, also known as ISIL or ISIS.

“He said he shared the ideology of al-Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and he was obsessed with Israel,” the father told a reporter in an interview outside the home of this other son, Syed Raheel Farook, in Corona, Calif.

Meet the Farooks

Charlie Chan was always referring to Number One Son and Number Two Son. That would be helpful with the Farook Family.

The father said he counseled his son to be patient because, he said, in time political changes in the Middle East will accomplish his desires.

“I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,” the elder Farook told the newspaper. “Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there.”

Well, that’s pretty darn moderate of Syed Sr.

But Syed Rizwan Farook was not dissuaded, the father said.

The father said his family was destroyed when his son sided against him with his equally religious mother.

“Rizwan was the mama’s boy, and she is very religious like him,” he said. “Once we had a dispute about the historical figure of Jesus, my son yelled that I was an unbeliever and decided that marriage with my wife had to end.”

Okay …

For once, there has been some journalistic interest in how an immigrant who runs amok became an immigrant — in this case, the bizarre figure of the young mother / suburban terrorist who recently got a visa.

But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in? Did he promise to not do the jobs that Americans wanted to do? Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?

Or does merely asking these questions violate the presumptive civil right of everybody on earth to move to America as long as they are not currently plotting terrorism? Trying to discriminate among who would be beneficial immigrants and who would be detrimental immigrants would be intelligent, but it’s still discriminating. In fact, intelligence largely is discrimination, so intelligence is racist.

 
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  1. “I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,” the elder Farook told the newspaper. “Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there.”

    this ran in USA today… woah

    edit-

    just thought: what if farook sr has some deep state connection in his homeland?

    i mean, how common is it for somebody to say something like “geopolitics is changing”

    • Replies: @SFG
    Could have just been a way to try to keep his son from flying off the handle (unsuccessfully, as we now know). I mean, I think he's right,but...two years? I'd give them at least 50. States take a while to die.
    , @AndrewR
    That was presumably a paraphrase or a loose translation of Arabic. But any reasonably smart person is aware that international politics is a dynamic thing. I imagine that Middle Easterners tend to be acutely aware of that. They are not from a gigantic, geographically isolated, relatively ethnically and politically homogenous, stable nation-state that has remained essentially unchanged for 150 years.

    So while geopolitics is something that the average American doesn't spend five minutes a week thinking about, the average Middle Easterner spends far more time thinking about it (more or less, of course, depending on location, time period, isolation, etc.)
  2. “In fact, intelligence largely is discrimination, so intelligence is racist.” As is pointing out the lack of intelligence.

    Of course, as regards all the security apparatus of the United States, considering what they carry out is “intelligence”, what are we to call THAT? Just sayin’

  3. “What exactly did Farook Sr. bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?”

    Springsteen lyrics.

  4. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr. bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?

    Diversity über alles!

  5. But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr. bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?

    He was vibrantly diverse.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    His house was "full of life."
  6. Goat fetuses uneaten in the womb….

  7. …intelligence is racist.

    You’ve finally reached the bottom of the proof.

  8. “Trying to discriminate among who would be beneficial immigrants and who would be detrimental immigrants would be intelligent, but it’s still discriminating. In fact, intelligence largely is discrimination, so intelligence is racist.”

    I’ll bet the people who should carefully vet would-be immigrants are hired for their incurious nature, because liberals think variety is inherently good, and discrimination is not tolerated.

    And as your hero Charlie Chan used to say:

    “Detective without curiosity is like glass eye held to keyhole – no good.”

  9. Nailed a muslim girl a few years back. She was pretty secular…I met her in a bar. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met. Sometimes I would get her going just for the hell of it.

    I really can’t believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It’s their funeral, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nailed a Jewish girl a few years back. Secular as well. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met also. Proud about it too. Liked to sit on my lap at strip bars and especially tipped the black girls. Lotsa fun but not the type to take home to mom.

    I don't think the elite Jews wanted her type being here either. But there you have it. YMMV.
    , @thinkingabout it
    Was she hot? Where was she from? What positions did you do her in?
    , @tbraton
    "I really can’t believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It’s their funeral, I suppose."

    Well, there is a difference between saying you in favor of something and really wanting it. My German-American friend responded to something posted by a German yesterday describing his experiences with the "refugees" that I had forwarded to her to keep her informed about developments in her old country by stating in her email response: "i talked to an israeli guy who used to be in the military in israel
    he thinks all the borders should come up again in europe
    and he said every 10th muslim in his experience is a terrorist .
    well we have about 5 million in usa"
  10. We let him in because it would be impolite to talk about not letting him in.

  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I am watching Cocaine Cowboys: Reloaded on Netflix.

    I was struck about the parallels 1980 Miami has with this shootout. Jimmy Carter welcomed the Cuban refugees with “open arms and hearts,” and they quickly terrorized Miami.

    I know you often make reference to the Mariel boat lift and the subsequent rise in crime and depression of wages, but I never knew there was so much liberal sanctimony and utter stupidity. Fidel Castro says he flushed Cuba’s toilet on the United States; perhaps Assad feels the same way about Europe and, to a lesser degree, the United States.

    As you say, political correctness is the primary cause of dumbness today. As the bodies started piling up, the poor people of Miami didn’t know what hit them.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Fidel was happy to send the Marielitos to Florida. Assad is in a desperate battle against the United States and most of his neighbors to remain in power and alive. To assert that Assad is responsible for the Deluge would, I should think, require some evidentiary or argumentative support. Indeed, to my way of thinking, the assertion that Assad is responsible would qualify as water-carrying for the USG, Turkey, KSA and Israel.
  12. Incidentally, ISIS hasn’t attacked Israel and has been focused on attacking America’s enemies and the proxies of America’s enemies such as Assad, Iran, Russia, Hezbollah, Shias, etc.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Which are for the most part the enemies of the Sunni gulf states.

    Does France still support Assad and Syria?
    , @gruff

    ISIS hasn’t attacked Israel
     
    They never even mention Israel.
    , @Doug
    Would be Sunni-Arab messiahs have been running to their doom since 1945 by trying to go up against the IDF. A schoolyard bully doesn't push the biggest kid on the playground. Yazidi peasants make a lot easier targets than one of the most fearsome and effective militaries on the planet. ISIS foot-soldiers may be diehard true believers, but ISIS leadership has mostly gotten to this point by continuously pivoting to pick the easiest targets.

    Even Western countries make easier terrorist targets than Israel. Netanyahu doesn't fool around with the kind of claptrap about loving terrorists to deaths, just to show them we don't discriminate. Attack Paris or San Bernadino, and you'll get a whole bunch of free spots freed up for sleeper agent "refugees", a bunch of foreign aid to pilfer, and maybe a few more drone missions that are just as likely to blow up your enemies. Attack Tel Aviv and be prepared for the hammer of god to come down.
  13. How, exactly, did he get in? Was he somebody’s distant relative chain-migrated in?

  14. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The father of San Bernardino suspect Syed Rizwan Farook told an Italian newspaper that his son expressed support for the Islamic State group and was obsessed with Israel.

    Nice of him to tell us that now.

    Boy, this guy sure didn’t do what Obama said Muslims “must” do, which is confront their radicalization problem without excuse. Since he didn’t do what Muslims “must” do, I can only assume that there will be some pretty severe punishment in store for him.

    Unless what Obama meant is that they “must” tell the radicalized person that they don’t like their radicalization, but then not warn anyone and then continue about their merry way.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Warner

    Boy, this guy sure didn’t do what Obama said Muslims “must” do, which is confront their radicalization problem without excuse. Since he didn’t do what Muslims “must” do
     
    No no. It just means that he's not a real Muslim.
  15. @Anonymous
    But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr. bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?

    He was vibrantly diverse.

    His house was “full of life.”

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes
    Nailed a muslim girl a few years back. She was pretty secular...I met her in a bar. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met. Sometimes I would get her going just for the hell of it.

    I really can't believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It's their funeral, I suppose.

    Nailed a Jewish girl a few years back. Secular as well. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met also. Proud about it too. Liked to sit on my lap at strip bars and especially tipped the black girls. Lotsa fun but not the type to take home to mom.

    I don’t think the elite Jews wanted her type being here either. But there you have it. YMMV.

  17. @Anonymous
    Incidentally, ISIS hasn't attacked Israel and has been focused on attacking America's enemies and the proxies of America's enemies such as Assad, Iran, Russia, Hezbollah, Shias, etc.

    Which are for the most part the enemies of the Sunni gulf states.

    Does France still support Assad and Syria?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    And that, it appears, is ISIS's job - to fight Iran and it's proxies. Which is indeed in the interest Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States (or rather in the interests of the rulers of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States). Which makes one wonder..............just what is going on there?
  18. What is surprising that the father would openly talk like this, it’s clear the Muzzies are becoming more brazen – which is worrisome. It’s also shocking to see USA Today print this. People are getting scared.

    That said, the entire family reeks of Salafism, they weren’t some lapsed beer drinking Muzzies but old school buggers doing what allah wanted. All junior did was simply follow the Koranic demands to their logical conclusion – jihad.

    Heck he was radicalized merely by growing up in that family, but like a good jihadi played the Dr. Jeckl and Mr. Hyde game with the infidels until it was time to strike.

    I bet if one does a background check on their friends and relatives you’ll find a entire network devoted to supporting jihadis. It’s very doubtful junior was alone in this, he had help.

    • Replies: @Lot

    What is surprising that the father would openly talk like this, it’s clear the Muzzies are becoming more brazen
     
    I don't think brazen is a strong enough word here.

    I haven't seen anyone yet remark how strange it was that the day after their son/brother killed 14 people, the Farooks already had a Benjamin Crumpish "family lawyer" supplied to them by CAIR, who then called a press conference where they gave statements.

    Did Charlie Mason's actual family have a press conference? Did the press lap it up and write up sympathetic profiles of family members who weren't mass killers? I don't think we have ever heard so much, from so many, of the relatives of a mass murderer the very week of the mass murder.
  19. The father, who is also named Syed Farook…

    …this other son, Syed Raheel Farook

    I am, I Syed
    to no one there
    and no one heard at all,
    not even the chair…

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I am, I Syed
    to no one there
    and no one heard at all,
    not even the chair…"

    One thing is for sure. They comin' to America.........
    , @Jack D
    The reason they are all "named" Syed is that Syed is not their first name at all, but an honorific title for people descended directly from the Prophet. So all males in a family that claims this descent carry this title. This is like saying that the first name of all male British royalty is "Prince".
  20. @Lugash
    Which are for the most part the enemies of the Sunni gulf states.

    Does France still support Assad and Syria?

    And that, it appears, is ISIS’s job – to fight Iran and it’s proxies. Which is indeed in the interest Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States (or rather in the interests of the rulers of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States). Which makes one wonder…………..just what is going on there?

  21. That Goat Fetus delicacy thing sounds absolutely gross, but, from a secular POV I’m thinking that dish might have been the origin of the famous injunction in Deuteronomy 14:21 (do not eat kid seethed in mother’s milk) that prevents kosher Jews from eating cheeseburgers; IOW, the “two sets of dishes” meat and dairy shall not mix prohibition. (Yes, I am aware that looking at those laws naturalistically misses the whole point of adhering to them.)

    • Replies: @Olorin
    It also misses the point of these desert ignoramuses raising goats in their backyard and getting them knocked up so they can slaughter them and eat their fetuses. At least I presume that's how it works because I cannot entertain any other possibility without reverting to mediaeval thoughts myself.

    > The elder Mr. Farook forced his family to move out of their home in 2006,
    > Ms. Farook said in court papers, but he continued to harass her. “My husband
    > is mentally ill and is on medication but is also an alcoholic and drinks with the
    > medicine,” she said. The marriage was formally dissolved this year.

    Remember this all when people start bashing on about how the first generation immigrants are just delightful people...but it's their kids who go wrong under the influence of horrible racist Islamophobic America.

    No wait. The real problem here is white men and guns. Farook pere was violent, therefore he harmed his children psychologically, ergo one became a gun nut, and Arabs are white!!! It all fits!!!

  22. “But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in? Did he promise to not do the jobs that Americans wanted to do? Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?”

    These sentences contain a mini riff for Trump’s 2016 stump speeches. All he would have to do is make it more generalized for when the next type of unpleasantness happens between now and say late spring/early summer of ’16 (post-nomination time). Perhaps he could also use this during his convention speech, but obviously cleaned up (e.g. hold the goat fetuses since the convention’s nomination speeches are given during prime time hrs with families watching. No need to get too graphic to make cogent coherent points. Larger point: “See folks? See why we need the wall? And now I hope you understand that when I’m elected President, among the first things I’ll do is to beef up the Immigration/Security/Deportation Depts’ budgets so that these types of things won’t easily happen again in this great land of ours.”)

    “In fact, intelligence largely is discrimination, so intelligence is racist.”

    Yeah, except when it isn’t. Like when the “smartest man in the room” (who also happens to be part-black) shows up literally in the room of wherever to pontificate on any given topic of the day.

    According to the NYT and all other keepers of the Official Narrative, having that kind of intelligence is a very good thing indeed and must be listened to with all great respect. Otherwise the person could be indicted on hate crimes charges.

  23. Hate Is Enough

    The Bloody Bunch

    Leave It to Believer

    Family Dies

    Fresh off the Goat

    Diff’rent Strikes

    Die Nasty

    • Replies: @black sea
    Mad About Everything

    Who Wants to Behead a Millionaire?



    (Wish I'd come up with them myself, but I read them somewhere years ago.)
  24. @anon

    The father of San Bernardino suspect Syed Rizwan Farook told an Italian newspaper that his son expressed support for the Islamic State group and was obsessed with Israel.
     
    Nice of him to tell us that now.

    Boy, this guy sure didn't do what Obama said Muslims "must" do, which is confront their radicalization problem without excuse. Since he didn't do what Muslims "must" do, I can only assume that there will be some pretty severe punishment in store for him.

    Unless what Obama meant is that they "must" tell the radicalized person that they don't like their radicalization, but then not warn anyone and then continue about their merry way.

    Boy, this guy sure didn’t do what Obama said Muslims “must” do, which is confront their radicalization problem without excuse. Since he didn’t do what Muslims “must” do

    No no. It just means that he’s not a real Muslim.

  25. @Reg Cæsar

    The father, who is also named Syed Farook…

    ...this other son, Syed Raheel Farook
     
    I am, I Syed
    to no one there
    and no one heard at all,
    not even the chair…

    “I am, I Syed
    to no one there
    and no one heard at all,
    not even the chair…”

    One thing is for sure. They comin’ to America………

  26. But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in? Did he promise to not do the jobs that Americans wanted to do? Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?

    I bet Farook Sr. is on disability. His wife said he’s “mentally ill” and takes meds in court when she filed for divorce. After 40 quarters of work you’re eligible for disability as an immigrant. Somebody should research Asian SSI claims. There are so many scams it would blow the average American’s mind. And not just Muslims, mind you. The Chinese are masters of this. It’s a wonder California hasn’t already bankrupted the US all on its own.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I bet Farook Sr. is on disability. His wife said he’s “mentally ill” and takes meds in court when she filed for divorce. After 40 quarters of work you’re eligible for disability as an immigrant. Somebody should research Asian SSI claims. There are so many scams it would blow the average American’s mind. And not just Muslims, mind you. The Chinese are masters of this. It’s a wonder California hasn’t already bankrupted the US all on its own.
     
    Debt is over 100% GDP in the U.S. Fortunately this money given away isn't wealth. It's a fiat currency and the Ponzi scheme keeps going because the U.S. creates money by moving electrons and then props up with shenanigans from the Fed.
    , @Fran Macadam
    ...and all of Appalachia too, right?
  27. “In fact, intelligence largely is discrimination” is actually an aphorism in the Talmud “Im eyn da’at havdala m’nayin” loosely translated “if there is no intelligence, whence distinguishment/dicrimination”

  28. One criminal doesn’t represent the whole community! The Muslims in London are so moderate!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/world/europe/london-stabbing-attack-muslim-bruv.html?ribbon-ad idx=6&rref=world/europe&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Europe&action=keypress&region=FixedRight&pgtype=article

  29. ‘Goat fetuses’ ?

    What the Hell is that all about?

  30. Goat fetus.

    Coming to a ‘vibrant diverse’ ethnic restaurant near you soon.

    How did we manage to live for all these past years without the enrichment of this wonderful ethnic cuisine?

    • Replies: @CK
    Consider the lovely veal in cream sauce with mushroom and capers.
  31. @rod1963
    What is surprising that the father would openly talk like this, it's clear the Muzzies are becoming more brazen - which is worrisome. It's also shocking to see USA Today print this. People are getting scared.

    That said, the entire family reeks of Salafism, they weren't some lapsed beer drinking Muzzies but old school buggers doing what allah wanted. All junior did was simply follow the Koranic demands to their logical conclusion - jihad.

    Heck he was radicalized merely by growing up in that family, but like a good jihadi played the Dr. Jeckl and Mr. Hyde game with the infidels until it was time to strike.

    I bet if one does a background check on their friends and relatives you'll find a entire network devoted to supporting jihadis. It's very doubtful junior was alone in this, he had help.

    What is surprising that the father would openly talk like this, it’s clear the Muzzies are becoming more brazen

    I don’t think brazen is a strong enough word here.

    I haven’t seen anyone yet remark how strange it was that the day after their son/brother killed 14 people, the Farooks already had a Benjamin Crumpish “family lawyer” supplied to them by CAIR, who then called a press conference where they gave statements.

    Did Charlie Mason’s actual family have a press conference? Did the press lap it up and write up sympathetic profiles of family members who weren’t mass killers? I don’t think we have ever heard so much, from so many, of the relatives of a mass murderer the very week of the mass murder.

  32. “But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?”

    My money’s on (in this order): 1) illegal, amnestized by the ’86 bill; 2) chain migrant (sponsored by a sibling); 3) refugee. The Left’s three favorite types of immigration.

    Syed Jr. was US-born in 1987, so parents were here early enough to qualify for the 1986 amnesty.

    As I stated on the earlier thread, I’d be really interested in finding out how many members of the Syed family came here via “relational migration” – getting in because you’re related to or marrying someone who is already here. Syed Jr’s wife, the murderess, was brought here on a marriage visa. His brother-in-law, Farhan Khan, is an immigrant. Did he come on a marriage visa, too? Did all the spouses of Syed Jr and his siblings come to the US on marriage visas? I wouldn’t be surprised.

    BTW, I agree with the theory that Syed Sr. is on disability. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

  33. @Anon
    Hate Is Enough

    The Bloody Bunch

    Leave It to Believer

    Family Dies

    Fresh off the Goat

    Diff'rent Strikes

    Die Nasty

    Mad About Everything

    Who Wants to Behead a Millionaire?

    (Wish I’d come up with them myself, but I read them somewhere years ago.)

  34. “Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?”

    He sounds like one of those who would have weeded out by the “Monty Hall ‘Let’s Make a Deal’ test” proposed the other day by ATX Hipster. In response to your invitation to suggest questions for your world-traveling reader in Greece, he proposed the following, seemingly whacky question: “Suppose you’re on a game show, and you’re given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what’s behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, “Do you want to pick door No. 2?” Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?” I responded in the same thread as follows:
    •tbraton
    December 5, 2015 at 7:53 pm GMT
    @ATX Hipster
    I would be real concerned if the contestant displayed great disappointment when the door with the goat was opened, thus eliminating any possibility of him winning that prize.”

    Now if ATX Hipster’s test had been in place when Farook was admitted to the U.S., he probably would have been weeded out, and 14 dead Americans might be alive today. I think there is a definite connection between attraction to goats and acts of terrorism.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    No matter where you turn, goats make their mysterious appearances. From Derbyshire's latest blog, "After San Bernardino":

    "A friend worked on development of the Jupiter missile in the early 1960s, when China was gearing up her nuclear-weapons program. My friend told me there were serious high-level discussions about dropping a Jupiter with a thermonuclear warhead on the Chinese test facilities in Turkestan. The air’s clear out there, we had good satellite imaging, and nobody lives out there but a few nomadic goat-herds. At last there was a political decision against the strike, my friend told me, but the possibility was seriously discussed."

    It turns out that goat herders might have been responsible for developing China's nuclear weapons, if I am reading Derbyshire right. All the more reason why we should adopt ATX Hipster's test adapted from "Let's Make a Deal" and put goats behind two of those doors.
  35. @27 year old
    “I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,” the elder Farook told the newspaper. “Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there.”

    this ran in USA today... woah

    edit-

    just thought: what if farook sr has some deep state connection in his homeland?

    i mean, how common is it for somebody to say something like "geopolitics is changing"

    Could have just been a way to try to keep his son from flying off the handle (unsuccessfully, as we now know). I mean, I think he’s right,but…two years? I’d give them at least 50. States take a while to die.

  36. What exactly did Farook Sr. bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in?

    As honourable Charlie Chan said in Docks of New Orleans, “After dinner is over, who cares about spoon?”

  37. For once, there has been some journalistic interest in how an immigrant who runs amok became an immigrant — in this case, the bizarre figure of the young mother / suburban terrorist who recently got a visa.

    Steve, you’ve used “bizarre” several times when describing the mother, and I appreciate your strategy of sucker-punching hipster, morally relativistic SWPLs by avoiding overly-judgmental language upfront, but the word you really need here is MONSTROUS. I was at-hand enough for the raising of my own kids that I know at 6 months a baby cannot reliably sit-up and has just recently gained head control . So for a mother to abandon her child at such a vulnerable age makes her nothing less than a MONSTER.

    There is indeed something monstrous and demoralizing about young women taking up arms against you, in that it implies the other side is completely desperate and fanatical and that maybe it’s you, Mr. Reactionary, that is really the monster here- which is why 60’s lefties like the Weathermen liked using them so much in their bomb factories and bank robbery squads- or Mao liked them as cultural revolution shock troops. Stalin seemed to have more old world gallantry in him, and did not use female troops enmasse except during the most desperate moments of WWII.

    BTW, since the President seems to awfully like trolling us by bringing up American “exceptionalism” in service of whatever poz scheme he’s selling at the moment, someone should ask him if female soldiers will now have the same opportunities to get back to work after maternity leave as Mrs. Farook did.

  38. @27 year old
    “I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,” the elder Farook told the newspaper. “Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there.”

    this ran in USA today... woah

    edit-

    just thought: what if farook sr has some deep state connection in his homeland?

    i mean, how common is it for somebody to say something like "geopolitics is changing"

    That was presumably a paraphrase or a loose translation of Arabic. But any reasonably smart person is aware that international politics is a dynamic thing. I imagine that Middle Easterners tend to be acutely aware of that. They are not from a gigantic, geographically isolated, relatively ethnically and politically homogenous, stable nation-state that has remained essentially unchanged for 150 years.

    So while geopolitics is something that the average American doesn’t spend five minutes a week thinking about, the average Middle Easterner spends far more time thinking about it (more or less, of course, depending on location, time period, isolation, etc.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    They are Pakistani. They don't speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually (Urdu is more or less the same language as Hindi except that it is written in Persian script which is in turn more or less the same as Arabic script, so it appears to be Arabic but it ain't).
  39. @anonymous
    I am watching Cocaine Cowboys: Reloaded on Netflix.

    I was struck about the parallels 1980 Miami has with this shootout. Jimmy Carter welcomed the Cuban refugees with "open arms and hearts," and they quickly terrorized Miami.

    I know you often make reference to the Mariel boat lift and the subsequent rise in crime and depression of wages, but I never knew there was so much liberal sanctimony and utter stupidity. Fidel Castro says he flushed Cuba's toilet on the United States; perhaps Assad feels the same way about Europe and, to a lesser degree, the United States.

    As you say, political correctness is the primary cause of dumbness today. As the bodies started piling up, the poor people of Miami didn't know what hit them.

    Fidel was happy to send the Marielitos to Florida. Assad is in a desperate battle against the United States and most of his neighbors to remain in power and alive. To assert that Assad is responsible for the Deluge would, I should think, require some evidentiary or argumentative support. Indeed, to my way of thinking, the assertion that Assad is responsible would qualify as water-carrying for the USG, Turkey, KSA and Israel.

  40. “how the first generation of Farooks ”

    Well, the son became an engineer and has gainful employment, possibly including a coveted California government pension. So you could argue the Farooks were doing work Americans no longer know how to do. The wife seems to be highly educated also. I am guessing by being educated in Pakistan she avoided student debt, a possible advantage of marrying in the ole country, and got a more rigorous education that what was available in the US. Oddly they do not report what academic program she was taking in Pakistan.

    The part I find, dare I say, amusing is the argument between the Pakistani Jihadi Muslim screwballs and the Messianic “Jewish” screwballs. I suspect on some level only in the civil service could such screwballs remain employed and grow into a lush pension. That said the Messianic Jew did probably save many lives by setting the Jihadis off before they could commit even greater mayhem.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    Farook wasn't an engineer - his degree was in Environmental Health from Cal State San Bernardino. He took one semester of Environmental Engineering at Cal State Fullerton.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/farook-694704-san-bernardino.html
    , @Olorin
    Engineer? He was a health inspector. He went around to public places and checked things off lists.

    Cal State SB's environmental health bachelor's looks like it focuses on low-level science and a whole lot of bureaucracy and politics:

    http://health.csusb.edu/environmentalHealthScience/index.html

    Did he actually have a degree from here or elsewhere?

    Heavy on case studies, theory, field experience, and report-filling-outing. Lots of "principles," "integrated views," "concepts," "methods," and so on.

    Any person with an IQ of 95 and the ability not to mess up too badly should be able to parlay that into a AA job with a public agency where the HR lady and case management lady are Egyptian Muslim relatives (sisters?).

    , @Jack D
    [The wife].... spent a year studying at a conservative religious school for women in this southern Pakistani city, officials said Monday.

    Officials at the Al Huda center in Multan said that the woman, Tashfeen Malik, enrolled in an 18-month course to study the Quran in 2013, just as she completed a degree in pharmacology at a nearby public university. But she left before finishing the course, telling administrators she was leaving to get married.


    From today's NYT.

    So a major in pharmacology and a minor in religious fanaticism.

    It's interesting that the 21st century is turning out to be a lot more religious than the 20th, when (at least up until WWII) it was sort of assumed that religion was going to fade away. Instead we see INCREASED fanaticism, not just Muslim but also Jewish, Christian, etc. People have lost faith in science - no one trusts genetically engineered food or nuclear power, etc. But what makes religious Islam unique is that it is so attached to violence.
  41. It’s un-American to look reality in the face: that’s not who we are.

  42. “I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, in two years Israel will no longer exist,” the elder Farook told the newspaper. “Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there.”

    OMG, this is hilarious! Do MSM know about this? Anyone seen any comments in MSM (the interview was by Italian newspapers, so not sure it was reported in the US)?

  43. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    The fact that an American-born Pakistani would obsess over Israel, rather than India, is something that begs for analysis.

    A Muslim man was lynched in India recently on a rumor that he had eaten a hamburger. And the “American” children of Pakistanis are obsessed with the Palestinians? Splain that one to me.

    • Replies: @epebble
    This http://judaism.about.com/od/americanworldjewry/a/muslimviews.htm tells that hatred of Jews and ( Israel ) is much more fundamental and visceral than any other hatred for an observant Muslim.

    Also, this http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/?beta=true&utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F is how the world appears to them as observant Muslims.
  44. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Speaking of this “He’s not a real Muslim meme” there was a stabbing at Leytonstone station by a deranged Muslim screaming something about it being “on behalf of Syria” and immediately the hashtag was #youaintnomuslimbruv.

    I happen to think the guy was probably more deranged than Muslim (you can be both, but in this case the deranged took precedence), but that’s the meme of the day. I report, you decide.

    (PS, the assailant was subdued, not shot, and the twittersphere was full of nasty comparisons to US police, who are as all good people know, soulless Nazi pigs who shoot first and ask later. This is all over the world now, due to Obama and Hollywood and residual hatred of George Bush. I am getting completely sick of it.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's a great game to play - Muslims are never violent because by definition if you are violent you ain't Muslim.

    Unfortunately, al Baghdadi, the head of ISIS, has a PhD in Islamic Studies and he says that what him and his boys are doing IS Muslim. All of it, the head chopping and stabbing, etc. I believe him more than Twitter.
  45. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/we-all-agree-with-youaintnomuslimbruv-but-you-cant-solve-terrorism-with-a-hashtag-a6763341.html

    For instance, we all might agree with the sentiment #youaintnomuslimbruv – but I can bet you money (how haram of me) that the attacker thinks he is. And there are plenty of people who will agree with him.

  46. @Anonymous
    Goat fetus.

    Coming to a 'vibrant diverse' ethnic restaurant near you soon.

    How did we manage to live for all these past years without the enrichment of this wonderful ethnic cuisine?

    Consider the lovely veal in cream sauce with mushroom and capers.

  47. @Anonymous
    Incidentally, ISIS hasn't attacked Israel and has been focused on attacking America's enemies and the proxies of America's enemies such as Assad, Iran, Russia, Hezbollah, Shias, etc.

    ISIS hasn’t attacked Israel

    They never even mention Israel.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Not so

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hebrew-speaking-ISIS-jihadi-threatens-Israel-Jews-worldwide-in-new-video-429884
    , @Guy
    There is an ISIS pocket nestled right between the Golan, Lebanon, and FSA/Al Nusra territory that Israel has not touched, and ISIS has mentioned disbanding and destroying Hamas more than it has mentioned Israel.
  48. Two years? I appreciate Farook’s optimism.

    Imagine if there were no Israel to deflect their anti-Christian animus and they devoted all of their energy to destroying European Christian culture.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in? Did he promise to not do the jobs that Americans wanted to do? Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?
     
    I bet Farook Sr. is on disability. His wife said he's "mentally ill" and takes meds in court when she filed for divorce. After 40 quarters of work you're eligible for disability as an immigrant. Somebody should research Asian SSI claims. There are so many scams it would blow the average American's mind. And not just Muslims, mind you. The Chinese are masters of this. It's a wonder California hasn't already bankrupted the US all on its own.

    I bet Farook Sr. is on disability. His wife said he’s “mentally ill” and takes meds in court when she filed for divorce. After 40 quarters of work you’re eligible for disability as an immigrant. Somebody should research Asian SSI claims. There are so many scams it would blow the average American’s mind. And not just Muslims, mind you. The Chinese are masters of this. It’s a wonder California hasn’t already bankrupted the US all on its own.

    Debt is over 100% GDP in the U.S. Fortunately this money given away isn’t wealth. It’s a fiat currency and the Ponzi scheme keeps going because the U.S. creates money by moving electrons and then props up with shenanigans from the Fed.

  50. Trying to discriminate among who would be beneficial immigrants and who would be detrimental immigrants would be intelligent, but it’s still discriminating.

    I hate to say it, but once we decided that discrimination against American citizens was wrong, that kicked out much of the philosophical justification for discriminating against foreigners too. How can you support equal civil rights for African Americans, and then argue that maybe we should discourage any more Africans from coming over?

    It’s no coincidence that both kinds of discrimination were legislated out of existence within the same year.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Your argument doesn't make any sense either. The whole point of citizenship is that citizens are privileged over non-citizens. Hence foreigners are legally discriminated against. Regardless of their origin.
    Furthermore, there was no labor shortage in 1965. Opening wide open the borders made no sense at the time unless you wanted to bring about revolutionary changes to the country.
    , @Robert Hume
    " How can you support equal civil rights for African Americans, and then argue that maybe we should discourage any more Africans from coming over?"

    Yes, I commented elsewhere that this means that we must have an immigration moratorium. Not only will it reduce the risk of terrorism but it will also improve the environment and give us a time out to assimilate those immigrants who have already arrived.
  51. @Bill P

    But I’m still wondering how the first generation of Farooks got into the U.S. What exactly did Farook Sr., a member of the long term unemployed, bring to the table that made it desirable for America to let him in? Did he promise to not do the jobs that Americans wanted to do? Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?
     
    I bet Farook Sr. is on disability. His wife said he's "mentally ill" and takes meds in court when she filed for divorce. After 40 quarters of work you're eligible for disability as an immigrant. Somebody should research Asian SSI claims. There are so many scams it would blow the average American's mind. And not just Muslims, mind you. The Chinese are masters of this. It's a wonder California hasn't already bankrupted the US all on its own.

    …and all of Appalachia too, right?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    Most people who live in Appalachia are Americans. Most who live in California aren't, even if they have citizenship.
  52. @International Jew

    Trying to discriminate among who would be beneficial immigrants and who would be detrimental immigrants would be intelligent, but it’s still discriminating.
     
    I hate to say it, but once we decided that discrimination against American citizens was wrong, that kicked out much of the philosophical justification for discriminating against foreigners too. How can you support equal civil rights for African Americans, and then argue that maybe we should discourage any more Africans from coming over?

    It's no coincidence that both kinds of discrimination were legislated out of existence within the same year.

    Your argument doesn’t make any sense either. The whole point of citizenship is that citizens are privileged over non-citizens. Hence foreigners are legally discriminated against. Regardless of their origin.
    Furthermore, there was no labor shortage in 1965. Opening wide open the borders made no sense at the time unless you wanted to bring about revolutionary changes to the country.

  53. To make the jihadis think twice before their next murder/suicide mission, I suggest we refuse to release the bodies of the terrorists in situations like this. Instead, we should
    1. Wrap the body of any dead terrorist in bacon.
    2. Cremate the body of the dead terrorist.
    3. Spread the ashes of the dead terrorist over a hog lot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That the remains of 'suicide bombers' are literally 'blown to pieces' - it is not uncommon to find a decaying human head months or years afterwards lodged in guttering high up on a building - seems to be no deterrent to strict Muslims.
  54. @tbraton
    "Maybe the deal clincher was his taste for goat fetuses?"

    He sounds like one of those who would have weeded out by the "Monty Hall 'Let's Make a Deal' test" proposed the other day by ATX Hipster. In response to your invitation to suggest questions for your world-traveling reader in Greece, he proposed the following, seemingly whacky question: "Suppose you’re on a game show, and you’re given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what’s behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, “Do you want to pick door No. 2?” Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?" I responded in the same thread as follows:
    •tbraton
    December 5, 2015 at 7:53 pm GMT
    @ATX Hipster
    I would be real concerned if the contestant displayed great disappointment when the door with the goat was opened, thus eliminating any possibility of him winning that prize."

    Now if ATX Hipster's test had been in place when Farook was admitted to the U.S., he probably would have been weeded out, and 14 dead Americans might be alive today. I think there is a definite connection between attraction to goats and acts of terrorism.

    No matter where you turn, goats make their mysterious appearances. From Derbyshire’s latest blog, “After San Bernardino”:

    “A friend worked on development of the Jupiter missile in the early 1960s, when China was gearing up her nuclear-weapons program. My friend told me there were serious high-level discussions about dropping a Jupiter with a thermonuclear warhead on the Chinese test facilities in Turkestan. The air’s clear out there, we had good satellite imaging, and nobody lives out there but a few nomadic goat-herds. At last there was a political decision against the strike, my friend told me, but the possibility was seriously discussed.”

    It turns out that goat herders might have been responsible for developing China’s nuclear weapons, if I am reading Derbyshire right. All the more reason why we should adopt ATX Hipster’s test adapted from “Let’s Make a Deal” and put goats behind two of those doors.

  55. @George
    "how the first generation of Farooks "

    Well, the son became an engineer and has gainful employment, possibly including a coveted California government pension. So you could argue the Farooks were doing work Americans no longer know how to do. The wife seems to be highly educated also. I am guessing by being educated in Pakistan she avoided student debt, a possible advantage of marrying in the ole country, and got a more rigorous education that what was available in the US. Oddly they do not report what academic program she was taking in Pakistan.

    The part I find, dare I say, amusing is the argument between the Pakistani Jihadi Muslim screwballs and the Messianic "Jewish" screwballs. I suspect on some level only in the civil service could such screwballs remain employed and grow into a lush pension. That said the Messianic Jew did probably save many lives by setting the Jihadis off before they could commit even greater mayhem.

    Farook wasn’t an engineer – his degree was in Environmental Health from Cal State San Bernardino. He took one semester of Environmental Engineering at Cal State Fullerton.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/farook-694704-san-bernardino.html

  56. “The father, who is also named Syed Farook…

    “…this other son, Syed Raheel Farook”

    The “Syed” in front of all the Farooks’ names is not really a name, but rather an honorific indicating claimed descent from the Mahomet through his grandsons. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid

  57. I’m fascinated by the loose threads that the media just allows to flutter away unchecked.

    On the day of the San Bernardino shooting, there was an intense manhunt for the third person in the SUV, who police saw run away from the vehicle during the shootout.

    I watched live on television while helicopters broadcast the police moving from house to house in search of this person. One reporter on the ground even reported that the individual had a shootout with police while running through people’s backyards; he cited as evidence a dead dog on the ground with bullet wounds.

    The third person was supposedly captured, but I haven’t heard or read a single thing about him/her since.

    Also, do we really know that the terrorist couple had a baby? Has the media checked to find a birth certificate or obtained any third-party confirmation?

  58. There are people who have speculated that “Mohamet” was a title/honorific rather than a name.

  59. @gruff

    ISIS hasn’t attacked Israel
     
    They never even mention Israel.
    • Replies: @gruff
    Thanks for the link. The comment from @Mike229 is worthy of note:

    This is interesting. My guess is that he's not Palestinian, but an Israeli Arab, unfortunately. Why? His accent in Hebrew is WAY too good. To my not-very-expert ear, I'd say that it's "typical Ashkenazi". He definitely doesn't have an Arabic accent. He pronounces HHET (ח) like an Ashkenazi. This is very unusual for an Arabic speaker, even a Jew from an Arab country.

    His Arabic also sounds "normal", but I'm even less of an expert on this. I'm going to guess that this is someone who grew up in a mixed community, like Haifa. I wouldn't be surprised if he were an Israeli Arab that went to school in Hebrew, also (it's not common, but there are occasional such people), or the child of a mixed couple.
     
    The video is not up to Daesh's usual high production standards. Just a lone guy standing in empty countryside. Could be anyone. Could even be a false flag video from Mossad.
  60. Rand Paul is now calling for a moratorium on immigration from the “middle east” (presumably from Pakistan too?). This is shaping up to be a battle between gun control on the left and immigration control on the right. Overton Window shifting again – I don’t recall immigration control brought up in response to terrorism outside of the Steve-o-sphere before.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Trump now calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mashable/status/673983347207643141
    , @tbraton
    "I don’t recall immigration control brought up in response to terrorism outside of the Steve-o-sphere before. "

    Now that would be a rational response to a horrific terrorist attack by a recent immigrant who was recently married to the son of an immigrant from Pakistan, and we don't do rational in America any more. In last night's speech to the nation, Obama pushed for restrictions on purchase of weapons by those on "no-fly lists," even though neither assailant was on a "no-fly list." He made passing reference to the assailants' possession of pipe bombs, but somehow he didn't think through the problem. These two people were determined to kill Americans, and, if somehow they couldn't use the assault rifles, they would have resorted to the pipe bombs. So I am not sure why he just seeking ineffective restrictions on fire arms. He also called for Muslim religious leaders around the world to reform Islam, acknowledging that Islam was in need of reformation. But he didn't say what a rational leader would have said, namely that until Islam was reformed the U.S. would no longer accept any Muslim immigrants. He has basically handed a powerful issue to the Republicans and left poor Hillary Clinton to defend an extremely unpopular position to the American public.
  61. @Dave Pinsen
    Rand Paul is now calling for a moratorium on immigration from the "middle east" (presumably from Pakistan too?). This is shaping up to be a battle between gun control on the left and immigration control on the right. Overton Window shifting again - I don't recall immigration control brought up in response to terrorism outside of the Steve-o-sphere before.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNewsInsider/status/673878801168916480

    Trump now calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigration:

    • Replies: @Travis
    Shrewd move by Trump, advocating a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."

    Trump's proposal comes in response to the level of hatred among "large segments of the Muslim population" toward Americans.

    "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life," Trump said in the statement.

    These statements by Trump should give a boost to his popularity , especially among republican primary voters.
    , @Hail
    If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump's?

    Maybe I just missed the coverage of the Rand Paul statement, but I certainly caught the histrionic, frenzied media offensive against Trump this evening. The likes of these (anti-Trump) attacks directed against a U.S. political figure we haven't seen in decades.

  62. @SPMoore8
    That Goat Fetus delicacy thing sounds absolutely gross, but, from a secular POV I'm thinking that dish might have been the origin of the famous injunction in Deuteronomy 14:21 (do not eat kid seethed in mother's milk) that prevents kosher Jews from eating cheeseburgers; IOW, the "two sets of dishes" meat and dairy shall not mix prohibition. (Yes, I am aware that looking at those laws naturalistically misses the whole point of adhering to them.)

    It also misses the point of these desert ignoramuses raising goats in their backyard and getting them knocked up so they can slaughter them and eat their fetuses. At least I presume that’s how it works because I cannot entertain any other possibility without reverting to mediaeval thoughts myself.

    > The elder Mr. Farook forced his family to move out of their home in 2006,
    > Ms. Farook said in court papers, but he continued to harass her. “My husband
    > is mentally ill and is on medication but is also an alcoholic and drinks with the
    > medicine,” she said. The marriage was formally dissolved this year.

    Remember this all when people start bashing on about how the first generation immigrants are just delightful people…but it’s their kids who go wrong under the influence of horrible racist Islamophobic America.

    No wait. The real problem here is white men and guns. Farook pere was violent, therefore he harmed his children psychologically, ergo one became a gun nut, and Arabs are white!!! It all fits!!!

  63. @Dave Pinsen
    Trump now calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mashable/status/673983347207643141

    Shrewd move by Trump, advocating a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

    Trump’s proposal comes in response to the level of hatred among “large segments of the Muslim population” toward Americans.

    “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” Trump said in the statement.

    These statements by Trump should give a boost to his popularity , especially among republican primary voters.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Every time Trump says something that I've thought for years, the talking heads on TV tell me it's nuts and completely unworkable. Jeb says Trump is "unhinged." I guess that makes two of us.
  64. @gruff

    ISIS hasn’t attacked Israel
     
    They never even mention Israel.

    There is an ISIS pocket nestled right between the Golan, Lebanon, and FSA/Al Nusra territory that Israel has not touched, and ISIS has mentioned disbanding and destroying Hamas more than it has mentioned Israel.

  65. @Dave Pinsen
    Rand Paul is now calling for a moratorium on immigration from the "middle east" (presumably from Pakistan too?). This is shaping up to be a battle between gun control on the left and immigration control on the right. Overton Window shifting again - I don't recall immigration control brought up in response to terrorism outside of the Steve-o-sphere before.
    https://twitter.com/FoxNewsInsider/status/673878801168916480

    “I don’t recall immigration control brought up in response to terrorism outside of the Steve-o-sphere before. ”

    Now that would be a rational response to a horrific terrorist attack by a recent immigrant who was recently married to the son of an immigrant from Pakistan, and we don’t do rational in America any more. In last night’s speech to the nation, Obama pushed for restrictions on purchase of weapons by those on “no-fly lists,” even though neither assailant was on a “no-fly list.” He made passing reference to the assailants’ possession of pipe bombs, but somehow he didn’t think through the problem. These two people were determined to kill Americans, and, if somehow they couldn’t use the assault rifles, they would have resorted to the pipe bombs. So I am not sure why he just seeking ineffective restrictions on fire arms. He also called for Muslim religious leaders around the world to reform Islam, acknowledging that Islam was in need of reformation. But he didn’t say what a rational leader would have said, namely that until Islam was reformed the U.S. would no longer accept any Muslim immigrants. He has basically handed a powerful issue to the Republicans and left poor Hillary Clinton to defend an extremely unpopular position to the American public.

  66. @International Jew

    Trying to discriminate among who would be beneficial immigrants and who would be detrimental immigrants would be intelligent, but it’s still discriminating.
     
    I hate to say it, but once we decided that discrimination against American citizens was wrong, that kicked out much of the philosophical justification for discriminating against foreigners too. How can you support equal civil rights for African Americans, and then argue that maybe we should discourage any more Africans from coming over?

    It's no coincidence that both kinds of discrimination were legislated out of existence within the same year.

    ” How can you support equal civil rights for African Americans, and then argue that maybe we should discourage any more Africans from coming over?”

    Yes, I commented elsewhere that this means that we must have an immigration moratorium. Not only will it reduce the risk of terrorism but it will also improve the environment and give us a time out to assimilate those immigrants who have already arrived.

  67. @Fran Macadam
    ...and all of Appalachia too, right?

    Most people who live in Appalachia are Americans. Most who live in California aren’t, even if they have citizenship.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Most people who live in Appalachia are Americans. Most who live in California aren’t, even if they have citizenship.
     
    Living on the "disability" suck is a job Americans are more than happy to do.

    There's no shortage that we need immigrants to fill.
  68. @Anonymous
    Incidentally, ISIS hasn't attacked Israel and has been focused on attacking America's enemies and the proxies of America's enemies such as Assad, Iran, Russia, Hezbollah, Shias, etc.

    Would be Sunni-Arab messiahs have been running to their doom since 1945 by trying to go up against the IDF. A schoolyard bully doesn’t push the biggest kid on the playground. Yazidi peasants make a lot easier targets than one of the most fearsome and effective militaries on the planet. ISIS foot-soldiers may be diehard true believers, but ISIS leadership has mostly gotten to this point by continuously pivoting to pick the easiest targets.

    Even Western countries make easier terrorist targets than Israel. Netanyahu doesn’t fool around with the kind of claptrap about loving terrorists to deaths, just to show them we don’t discriminate. Attack Paris or San Bernadino, and you’ll get a whole bunch of free spots freed up for sleeper agent “refugees”, a bunch of foreign aid to pilfer, and maybe a few more drone missions that are just as likely to blow up your enemies. Attack Tel Aviv and be prepared for the hammer of god to come down.

  69. Uh…Oh….Part XXIII!

    Muslims, Christians, and Jews? IS the truth starting to trickle out?

  70. @Dave Pinsen
    Trump now calls for a moratorium on Muslim immigration:
    https://twitter.com/mashable/status/673983347207643141

    If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump’s?

    Maybe I just missed the coverage of the Rand Paul statement, but I certainly caught the histrionic, frenzied media offensive against Trump this evening. The likes of these (anti-Trump) attacks directed against a U.S. political figure we haven’t seen in decades.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump’s? "

    Well, it just might have something to do with the fact that RP is sitting at 2% in the polls and Trump is registering in the upper 30% range (according to the Dec. 4 polls by Reuters: 37%; the same poll shows RP at 4.2%). If the positions were reversed, RP would be getting more press attention and Trump much less. What these clowns haven't yet realized is that the more they attack Trump the better he does in the polls.
  71. @kaganovitch
    Not so

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hebrew-speaking-ISIS-jihadi-threatens-Israel-Jews-worldwide-in-new-video-429884

    Thanks for the link. The comment from @Mike229 is worthy of note:

    This is interesting. My guess is that he’s not Palestinian, but an Israeli Arab, unfortunately. Why? His accent in Hebrew is WAY too good. To my not-very-expert ear, I’d say that it’s “typical Ashkenazi”. He definitely doesn’t have an Arabic accent. He pronounces HHET (ח) like an Ashkenazi. This is very unusual for an Arabic speaker, even a Jew from an Arab country.

    His Arabic also sounds “normal”, but I’m even less of an expert on this. I’m going to guess that this is someone who grew up in a mixed community, like Haifa. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were an Israeli Arab that went to school in Hebrew, also (it’s not common, but there are occasional such people), or the child of a mixed couple.

    The video is not up to Daesh’s usual high production standards. Just a lone guy standing in empty countryside. Could be anyone. Could even be a false flag video from Mossad.

  72. @Travis
    Shrewd move by Trump, advocating a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."

    Trump's proposal comes in response to the level of hatred among "large segments of the Muslim population" toward Americans.

    "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life," Trump said in the statement.

    These statements by Trump should give a boost to his popularity , especially among republican primary voters.

    Every time Trump says something that I’ve thought for years, the talking heads on TV tell me it’s nuts and completely unworkable. Jeb says Trump is “unhinged.” I guess that makes two of us.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Travis
    Trumps call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration has won me over

    while his plan to build the wall got me interested, his recent statements convinced me he has the intestinal fortitude to fight the elites and actually win the republican primary.
  73. @Reg Cæsar

    The father, who is also named Syed Farook…

    ...this other son, Syed Raheel Farook
     
    I am, I Syed
    to no one there
    and no one heard at all,
    not even the chair…

    The reason they are all “named” Syed is that Syed is not their first name at all, but an honorific title for people descended directly from the Prophet. So all males in a family that claims this descent carry this title. This is like saying that the first name of all male British royalty is “Prince”.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Right. So when one of Elizabeth's grandsons takes the throne he will officially be "the Monarch formerly known as Prince"
  74. @George
    "how the first generation of Farooks "

    Well, the son became an engineer and has gainful employment, possibly including a coveted California government pension. So you could argue the Farooks were doing work Americans no longer know how to do. The wife seems to be highly educated also. I am guessing by being educated in Pakistan she avoided student debt, a possible advantage of marrying in the ole country, and got a more rigorous education that what was available in the US. Oddly they do not report what academic program she was taking in Pakistan.

    The part I find, dare I say, amusing is the argument between the Pakistani Jihadi Muslim screwballs and the Messianic "Jewish" screwballs. I suspect on some level only in the civil service could such screwballs remain employed and grow into a lush pension. That said the Messianic Jew did probably save many lives by setting the Jihadis off before they could commit even greater mayhem.

    Engineer? He was a health inspector. He went around to public places and checked things off lists.

    Cal State SB’s environmental health bachelor’s looks like it focuses on low-level science and a whole lot of bureaucracy and politics:

    http://health.csusb.edu/environmentalHealthScience/index.html

    Did he actually have a degree from here or elsewhere?

    Heavy on case studies, theory, field experience, and report-filling-outing. Lots of “principles,” “integrated views,” “concepts,” “methods,” and so on.

    Any person with an IQ of 95 and the ability not to mess up too badly should be able to parlay that into a AA job with a public agency where the HR lady and case management lady are Egyptian Muslim relatives (sisters?).

  75. @AndrewR
    That was presumably a paraphrase or a loose translation of Arabic. But any reasonably smart person is aware that international politics is a dynamic thing. I imagine that Middle Easterners tend to be acutely aware of that. They are not from a gigantic, geographically isolated, relatively ethnically and politically homogenous, stable nation-state that has remained essentially unchanged for 150 years.

    So while geopolitics is something that the average American doesn't spend five minutes a week thinking about, the average Middle Easterner spends far more time thinking about it (more or less, of course, depending on location, time period, isolation, etc.)

    They are Pakistani. They don’t speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually (Urdu is more or less the same language as Hindi except that it is written in Persian script which is in turn more or less the same as Arabic script, so it appears to be Arabic but it ain’t).

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    They look Arab.

    Regardless, my point stands. Pakistan is very much in the middle east.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    They are Pakistani. They don’t speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually...
     
    When a bunch of Paki students held a demonstration, in London I think, the target Enoch Powell went out and addressed them in Urdu, in which he was fluent.
  76. @George
    "how the first generation of Farooks "

    Well, the son became an engineer and has gainful employment, possibly including a coveted California government pension. So you could argue the Farooks were doing work Americans no longer know how to do. The wife seems to be highly educated also. I am guessing by being educated in Pakistan she avoided student debt, a possible advantage of marrying in the ole country, and got a more rigorous education that what was available in the US. Oddly they do not report what academic program she was taking in Pakistan.

    The part I find, dare I say, amusing is the argument between the Pakistani Jihadi Muslim screwballs and the Messianic "Jewish" screwballs. I suspect on some level only in the civil service could such screwballs remain employed and grow into a lush pension. That said the Messianic Jew did probably save many lives by setting the Jihadis off before they could commit even greater mayhem.

    [The wife]…. spent a year studying at a conservative religious school for women in this southern Pakistani city, officials said Monday.

    Officials at the Al Huda center in Multan said that the woman, Tashfeen Malik, enrolled in an 18-month course to study the Quran in 2013, just as she completed a degree in pharmacology at a nearby public university. But she left before finishing the course, telling administrators she was leaving to get married.

    From today’s NYT.

    So a major in pharmacology and a minor in religious fanaticism.

    It’s interesting that the 21st century is turning out to be a lot more religious than the 20th, when (at least up until WWII) it was sort of assumed that religion was going to fade away. Instead we see INCREASED fanaticism, not just Muslim but also Jewish, Christian, etc. People have lost faith in science – no one trusts genetically engineered food or nuclear power, etc. But what makes religious Islam unique is that it is so attached to violence.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Now hold it, hold it.

    There are many kinds of INCREASED fanaticism. Judeo/Christian aren't the same as or anywhere near as unenlightened as say, oh....fanatical Islam. Lumping all three together as fanatically dangerous and knocking a few points off one's IQ merely plays into Barack Obama's hands (and others of the political Left as well). Along the lines of "See? They're all bad, only for dummies and basically cause all the same amounts of woe and troubles in the world. Everyone knows that religious wars caused more deaths in history, just look at the 20th century." Oh, wait a second. That was secularism that was chiefly responsible for all those multi millions of casualties.

    As the old Sesame Street jingle goes:

    One of these three is not like the others,
    which one is different, do you know?
    Can you tell us which one is not like the others?
    And then we'll tell you if it is so.

  77. @WhatEvvs
    Speaking of this "He's not a real Muslim meme" there was a stabbing at Leytonstone station by a deranged Muslim screaming something about it being "on behalf of Syria" and immediately the hashtag was #youaintnomuslimbruv.

    I happen to think the guy was probably more deranged than Muslim (you can be both, but in this case the deranged took precedence), but that's the meme of the day. I report, you decide.

    (PS, the assailant was subdued, not shot, and the twittersphere was full of nasty comparisons to US police, who are as all good people know, soulless Nazi pigs who shoot first and ask later. This is all over the world now, due to Obama and Hollywood and residual hatred of George Bush. I am getting completely sick of it.)

    It’s a great game to play – Muslims are never violent because by definition if you are violent you ain’t Muslim.

    Unfortunately, al Baghdadi, the head of ISIS, has a PhD in Islamic Studies and he says that what him and his boys are doing IS Muslim. All of it, the head chopping and stabbing, etc. I believe him more than Twitter.

  78. @Jack D
    [The wife].... spent a year studying at a conservative religious school for women in this southern Pakistani city, officials said Monday.

    Officials at the Al Huda center in Multan said that the woman, Tashfeen Malik, enrolled in an 18-month course to study the Quran in 2013, just as she completed a degree in pharmacology at a nearby public university. But she left before finishing the course, telling administrators she was leaving to get married.


    From today's NYT.

    So a major in pharmacology and a minor in religious fanaticism.

    It's interesting that the 21st century is turning out to be a lot more religious than the 20th, when (at least up until WWII) it was sort of assumed that religion was going to fade away. Instead we see INCREASED fanaticism, not just Muslim but also Jewish, Christian, etc. People have lost faith in science - no one trusts genetically engineered food or nuclear power, etc. But what makes religious Islam unique is that it is so attached to violence.

    Now hold it, hold it.

    There are many kinds of INCREASED fanaticism. Judeo/Christian aren’t the same as or anywhere near as unenlightened as say, oh….fanatical Islam. Lumping all three together as fanatically dangerous and knocking a few points off one’s IQ merely plays into Barack Obama’s hands (and others of the political Left as well). Along the lines of “See? They’re all bad, only for dummies and basically cause all the same amounts of woe and troubles in the world. Everyone knows that religious wars caused more deaths in history, just look at the 20th century.” Oh, wait a second. That was secularism that was chiefly responsible for all those multi millions of casualties.

    As the old Sesame Street jingle goes:

    One of these three is not like the others,
    which one is different, do you know?
    Can you tell us which one is not like the others?
    And then we’ll tell you if it is so.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Read the last sentence of what I wrote above.
  79. @Jack D
    The reason they are all "named" Syed is that Syed is not their first name at all, but an honorific title for people descended directly from the Prophet. So all males in a family that claims this descent carry this title. This is like saying that the first name of all male British royalty is "Prince".

    Right. So when one of Elizabeth’s grandsons takes the throne he will officially be “the Monarch formerly known as Prince”

  80. @Jack D
    They are Pakistani. They don't speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually (Urdu is more or less the same language as Hindi except that it is written in Persian script which is in turn more or less the same as Arabic script, so it appears to be Arabic but it ain't).

    They look Arab.

    Regardless, my point stands. Pakistan is very much in the middle east.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Pakistan is NOT the Middle East. It's the Indo-European Indian subcontinent. It was Islamized partly by force, and partly by default, because a lot of people opted out of the caste system by becoming Muslim.

    Which is another reason why radicalized subcontinentals are so sick and screwed up in the head. If they have any real grievance it would be against the Hindu elite castes.
  81. @WhatEvvs
    The fact that an American-born Pakistani would obsess over Israel, rather than India, is something that begs for analysis.

    A Muslim man was lynched in India recently on a rumor that he had eaten a hamburger. And the "American" children of Pakistanis are obsessed with the Palestinians? Splain that one to me.

    This http://judaism.about.com/od/americanworldjewry/a/muslimviews.htm tells that hatred of Jews and ( Israel ) is much more fundamental and visceral than any other hatred for an observant Muslim.

    Also, this http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/?beta=true&utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F is how the world appears to them as observant Muslims.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    You've told me a "that" you haven't explained a "why." Indian Muslims in India aren't anti-Semitic. But Pakistanis are.
  82. @Harry Baldwin
    Every time Trump says something that I've thought for years, the talking heads on TV tell me it's nuts and completely unworkable. Jeb says Trump is "unhinged." I guess that makes two of us.

    Trumps call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration has won me over

    while his plan to build the wall got me interested, his recent statements convinced me he has the intestinal fortitude to fight the elites and actually win the republican primary.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Trump...fight the elites...win
     
    There is a danger of a Lee Harvey Oswald and a single bullet here.

    God protect Trump.
  83. @Polynikes
    Nailed a muslim girl a few years back. She was pretty secular...I met her in a bar. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met. Sometimes I would get her going just for the hell of it.

    I really can't believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It's their funeral, I suppose.

    Was she hot? Where was she from? What positions did you do her in?

  84. @Hannah Katz
    To make the jihadis think twice before their next murder/suicide mission, I suggest we refuse to release the bodies of the terrorists in situations like this. Instead, we should
    1. Wrap the body of any dead terrorist in bacon.
    2. Cremate the body of the dead terrorist.
    3. Spread the ashes of the dead terrorist over a hog lot.

    That the remains of ‘suicide bombers’ are literally ‘blown to pieces’ – it is not uncommon to find a decaying human head months or years afterwards lodged in guttering high up on a building – seems to be no deterrent to strict Muslims.

  85. @Jack D
    They are Pakistani. They don't speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually (Urdu is more or less the same language as Hindi except that it is written in Persian script which is in turn more or less the same as Arabic script, so it appears to be Arabic but it ain't).

    They are Pakistani. They don’t speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually…

    When a bunch of Paki students held a demonstration, in London I think, the target Enoch Powell went out and addressed them in Urdu, in which he was fluent.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Powell studied Urdu because he hoped to be the Viceroy of India someday. Unfortunately, by the time he was old enough, India was no longer part of the Empire.
  86. @Chris Mallory
    Most people who live in Appalachia are Americans. Most who live in California aren't, even if they have citizenship.

    Most people who live in Appalachia are Americans. Most who live in California aren’t, even if they have citizenship.

    Living on the “disability” suck is a job Americans are more than happy to do.

    There’s no shortage that we need immigrants to fill.

  87. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Now hold it, hold it.

    There are many kinds of INCREASED fanaticism. Judeo/Christian aren't the same as or anywhere near as unenlightened as say, oh....fanatical Islam. Lumping all three together as fanatically dangerous and knocking a few points off one's IQ merely plays into Barack Obama's hands (and others of the political Left as well). Along the lines of "See? They're all bad, only for dummies and basically cause all the same amounts of woe and troubles in the world. Everyone knows that religious wars caused more deaths in history, just look at the 20th century." Oh, wait a second. That was secularism that was chiefly responsible for all those multi millions of casualties.

    As the old Sesame Street jingle goes:

    One of these three is not like the others,
    which one is different, do you know?
    Can you tell us which one is not like the others?
    And then we'll tell you if it is so.

    Read the last sentence of what I wrote above.

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    They are Pakistani. They don’t speak Arabic to each other, they speak Urdu usually...
     
    When a bunch of Paki students held a demonstration, in London I think, the target Enoch Powell went out and addressed them in Urdu, in which he was fluent.

    Powell studied Urdu because he hoped to be the Viceroy of India someday. Unfortunately, by the time he was old enough, India was no longer part of the Empire.

  89. @Hail
    If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump's?

    Maybe I just missed the coverage of the Rand Paul statement, but I certainly caught the histrionic, frenzied media offensive against Trump this evening. The likes of these (anti-Trump) attacks directed against a U.S. political figure we haven't seen in decades.

    “If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump’s? ”

    Well, it just might have something to do with the fact that RP is sitting at 2% in the polls and Trump is registering in the upper 30% range (according to the Dec. 4 polls by Reuters: 37%; the same poll shows RP at 4.2%). If the positions were reversed, RP would be getting more press attention and Trump much less. What these clowns haven’t yet realized is that the more they attack Trump the better he does in the polls.

    • Replies: @Hail
    You're right, but even so you'd think that the media would at least mention that Rand had also called for it. I didn't hear this fact mentioned despite hearing and watching various forms of the news yesterday. The evening news devoted 5+ minutes (of 25 broadcast minutes) to it, as the lead story. No Rand.
  90. @Polynikes
    Nailed a muslim girl a few years back. She was pretty secular...I met her in a bar. Most anti-Semitic person I ever met. Sometimes I would get her going just for the hell of it.

    I really can't believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It's their funeral, I suppose.

    “I really can’t believe the elite jewish left wants these people migrating over here. It’s their funeral, I suppose.”

    Well, there is a difference between saying you in favor of something and really wanting it. My German-American friend responded to something posted by a German yesterday describing his experiences with the “refugees” that I had forwarded to her to keep her informed about developments in her old country by stating in her email response: “i talked to an israeli guy who used to be in the military in israel
    he thinks all the borders should come up again in europe
    and he said every 10th muslim in his experience is a terrorist .
    well we have about 5 million in usa”

  91. @Travis
    Trumps call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration has won me over

    while his plan to build the wall got me interested, his recent statements convinced me he has the intestinal fortitude to fight the elites and actually win the republican primary.

    Trump…fight the elites…win

    There is a danger of a Lee Harvey Oswald and a single bullet here.

    God protect Trump.

  92. @tbraton
    "If Rand Paul called for it first, why did media only mention Trump’s? "

    Well, it just might have something to do with the fact that RP is sitting at 2% in the polls and Trump is registering in the upper 30% range (according to the Dec. 4 polls by Reuters: 37%; the same poll shows RP at 4.2%). If the positions were reversed, RP would be getting more press attention and Trump much less. What these clowns haven't yet realized is that the more they attack Trump the better he does in the polls.

    You’re right, but even so you’d think that the media would at least mention that Rand had also called for it. I didn’t hear this fact mentioned despite hearing and watching various forms of the news yesterday. The evening news devoted 5+ minutes (of 25 broadcast minutes) to it, as the lead story. No Rand.

  93. I see no reason to assume that a properly prepared goat fetus, wouldn’t be delicious.

  94. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @AndrewR
    They look Arab.

    Regardless, my point stands. Pakistan is very much in the middle east.

    Pakistan is NOT the Middle East. It’s the Indo-European Indian subcontinent. It was Islamized partly by force, and partly by default, because a lot of people opted out of the caste system by becoming Muslim.

    Which is another reason why radicalized subcontinentals are so sick and screwed up in the head. If they have any real grievance it would be against the Hindu elite castes.

  95. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @epebble
    This http://judaism.about.com/od/americanworldjewry/a/muslimviews.htm tells that hatred of Jews and ( Israel ) is much more fundamental and visceral than any other hatred for an observant Muslim.

    Also, this http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/?beta=true&utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F is how the world appears to them as observant Muslims.

    You’ve told me a “that” you haven’t explained a “why.” Indian Muslims in India aren’t anti-Semitic. But Pakistanis are.

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