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Joe Biden recently named bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel to his COVID council. Emanuel, a member of the energetic Emanuel family that also includes Rahm, former mayor of Chicago, and Ari, the Hollywood agent who is the source for Jeremy Piven’s character on Entourage, is best known for his 2014 article in The Atlantic, “Why I Hope to Die at 75,” in which he announced he would refuse to get a flu vaccination after age 75, because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?

Many have therefore expressed concern for elderly COVID victims or for Joe Biden himself, but my suspicion is that Professor Emanuel was not thinking about killing off people like them, but about his own elderly father, the embarrassingly racist retired rightwing terrorist, as I explained in:

Medical Ethicist Ezekiel Emanuel Concocts Grand Kantian Principle About How You Shouldn’t Try to Live Past 75 Out of How Much He Wishes His Dad, the Old Irgun Terrorist, Would Just Hurry Up and Die Already

Dr. Benjamin Emanuel finally died last year at age 92.

To Rahm and Ari, condolences. To Ezekiel, congratulations.

Here is Zeke in 1982 on a British reality TV show:

From Science:

An ethical framework for global vaccine allocation
Ezekiel J. Emanuel, [et al]
Science 11 Sep 2020:

Once effective coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are developed, they will be scarce. This presents the question of how to distribute them fairly across countries. …

Those who think countries will inevitably engage in “vaccine nationalism” (4) may deem an ethical framework for vaccine distribution among countries irrelevant. Public sentiment in some countries for retaining vaccine developed within their borders is strong, and many governments will also try to obtain vaccines produced elsewhere. But an ethical framework has broad relevance even in the face of nationalist attitudes. Rather than simply asserting that might makes right, governments typically appeal to national partiality: a country’s right and duty to prioritize its own citizens.

Some defend national partiality as ethical. Fellow citizens share “associative ties,” common governmental, civic, and other institutions, and a sense of shared identity. Also, the legitimate authority of representative government officials inheres in their representing and promoting the interests of their citizens. Plausibly, these relations support allowing countries to prioritize citizens over foreigners for vaccines. Others view national partiality as unethical: People’s entitlement to lifesaving resources should not depend on nationality

Regardless of whether some national partiality is ethical, unlimited national partiality is not. Associative ties only justify a government’s giving some priority to its own citizens, not absolute priority. Moreover, associative ties extend across national borders

E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.

, and citizens of different countries share common institutions. Finally, national governments have crossborder responsibilities to help satisfy fundamental needs like basic health care, particularly in a global health emergency.

Reasonable defenders of national partiality will differ on how much priority countries should give their citizens for vaccines. To establish the need for an equitable international distribution, it is unnecessary to determine an optimal level of priority. It is sufficient to identify a clear upper bound: Reasonable national partiality does not permit retaining more vaccine than the amount needed to keep the rate of transmission (Rt) below 1, when that vaccine could instead mitigate substantial COVID-19–related harms in other countries that have been unable to keep Rt below 1 through ongoing public-health efforts.

The marginal benefit of additional doses of vaccine in a country able to keep Rt below 1 generally will pale in comparison to the potential benefits to countries whose Rt remains above 1—at least until booster vaccination is needed to maintain immunity. Hence, with Rt below 1, there will not be sufficient vaccine-preventable harm to justify retaining vaccine. When a government reaches the limit of national partiality, it should release vaccines for other countries. This makes an account of fair allocation among countries relevant to reasonable national governments.

That sounds all very reasonable, but Tyler Cowen made a good point recently about what we’ve learned fighting this pandemic: it’s hard to come up with a successful moderate response because most of the time you are either winning over it or losing to it. Moderate efforts to finetune responses to keep R-nought just under 1.0 have tended to breakdown fairly quickly and then soon … uh-oh, here we go again.

Three Fundamental Values
Fairly distributing a COVID-19 vaccine among countries is a problem of distributive justice. Although governments will be the initial recipients of vaccine, fair distribution across countries must reflect a moral concern for the ultimate recipients: individuals. Three values are particularly relevant: benefiting people and limiting harm, prioritizing the disadvantaged, and equal moral concern.

Benefiting people and limiting harm is widely recognized as important across ethical theories. Realizing this value requires defining relevant benefits, measuring them, and assessing the relative urgency—the importance and time sensitivity—of countries’ needs. A successful vaccine produces direct benefits by protecting people against death and morbidity caused by infection. It also produces indirect benefits by reducing death and morbidity arising from health systems overstressed by the pandemic, and by reducing poverty and social hardship such as closed schools.

Prioritizing the disadvantaged is a fundamental value in ethics and global health. Realizing this value requires that vaccine distribution reflect special concern for people who are disadvantaged. Fairly distributing a COVID-19 vaccine internationally therefore requires assessing different types of disadvantage. Are the worst-off countries those experiencing the greatest poverty? Those where people have the lowest life expectancies?

Prioritizing the vaccine to people with the lowest life expectancies is self-evidently silly. Life expectancy before COVID was 54 years in Chad, so why prioritize American vaccines for Chadians so they can die of something else at 54?

Equal moral concern requires treating similar individuals similarly and not discriminating on the basis of morally irrelevant differences, such as sex, race, and religion.

But of course prioritizing on “disadvantage” has disparate impact on race and religion, with Japanese and Nordics having the longest life expectancies and therefore being the least deserving under Emanuel’s way of thinking. Muslims, Hindus, and blacks tend to have the shortest life expectancies, so therefore they are the most deserving.

Distributing different quantities of vaccine to different countries is not discriminatory if it effectively benefits people while prioritizing the disadvantaged.

Ending the pandemic in the United States would hugely boost the world economy, which would do a lot of good for people in poor countries around the world. If Americans start going to the mall again, demand for garments made in Bangladesh will go up. In contrast, moderating the pandemic in Chad would have virtually no impact on people in, say, Bangladesh.

To revive the world economy, the most advantaged (i.e., those with the most money to spend) should be prioritized.

Moreover, the first two vaccines to come online, knock on wood, Pfizer’s and Moderna’s both demand expensive cold storage (Moderna somewhat less than Pfizer) and two injections several weeks apart, requirements best suited for first world economies. Vaccines better suited to third world delivery capabilities are likely to follow.

 
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  1. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    *ANY* Government’s first, last and only duty is to its own citizens. *EVERYTHING* else is just an also-ran.

    Perhaps the first, clearest and most important moral and civics lesson a child ever learns. As true today as it was in the year 0 AD. True in the most primitive, barbarous and uncivilized tribe run by a chief or headman.

    Yet today, in the Economist whipped west – and only the west, mind you – of the year 2020 AD, it happens to be a contentious, tenuous and controversial statement, principally amongst the leading personages of the *Governments* themselves of the west.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous

    Zeke et al are best considered to be politicians; their thankful constituents are Chadians, etc. who will show their gratitude by coming here and voting for politicians of Zeke's choice.

    Another example: the pres. Democrats all raising their hands to support funding health care for illegals.

    Best. Constituents. Ever.

  2. Why are so many psychos involved in “bioethics”?
    Left to his own designs, or in a system like Soviet Russia, this guy would be a mass murderer.

    But in this case, I don’t mind the vaccine being distributed first to Chadian Chads, African-Americans, Homosexuals and Jews. Try your own medicine. I’d rather take my chances with a disease that kills less than 1% of the infected (the same cannot be said of many vaccines).

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Dumbo

    As they say
    Ethics is to bioethics as intelligence is to military intelligence...

  3. The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    • Replies: @gent
    @Hypnotoad666

    The vaccines are poison. This state of affairs is in our best interest.

    , @Anon
    @Hypnotoad666


    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.
     
    Agree.
    , @TTSSYF
    @Hypnotoad666

    Agree with the logic, but, speaking for myself, I don't want the vaccine. I'd rather take my chances with the therapeutics.

    , @George
    @Hypnotoad666

    How about American taxpayers paid for the vaccine so let's test it in, you know , someplace other than America. Actually, if they wanted to prove it worked maybe they should try Iran where supposedly covid is the worst.

    I am curious about the Pfizer trial. Did anyone in the control group actually die? or even get sick? I am personally not impressed by this cases stuff.

    If it comes to this, can I choose between the pfizer vaccination and the Russian, Chinese, ect vaccination? Why am I stuck with Pfizer?

  4. Mayor Rahm Emanuel did a fine job in Chicago. Black crime didn’t exist with Rahm running the city. (Total sarcasm)

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Wake up

    Don't be silly. Rahm knows that black crime existed in Chicago during his administration. But it virtually did not exist against the super rich or against Jews.

    And that is what is important.

  5. Biden had enough sense not to even hint at this before the election, and of course, no one asked. It could turn 50 million Nervous Nellies into militant Karens overnight.

  6. > E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.

    Well, gentlemanly so, it seems:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel#Education_and_ballet_dance

    Emanuel took part in a two-week civilian volunteer holiday, known as the Sar-El, where, as a civilian volunteer, he assisted the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf War, helping to repair truck brakes in one of Israel’s northern bases.[22][23]

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @theo the kraut

    He wasn't a civilian volunteer. He was in the IDF. He admitted it, or bragged about it, whichever, after previously having denied it.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

  7. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    Oddly enough, this was almost exactly the plot of the Channel 4 (UK) drama ‘Utopia’. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(British_TV_series)) a couple of years back.

    1) A mysterious disease (Russian Flu) threatens the world.
    2) There is a desperate race for a vaccine.
    3) A politician is ordered to head a call for the vaccine to be made available to the third world before the first as it is the moral thing to do.
    4) By doing so, he destroys his own career but greatly increases the desire of everyone to get the vaccine.
    5) It turns out that the whole thing is a conspiracy to sterilise the entire human race apart from a tiny elite of wealthy environmentalists.

    I’m sure that it is all just a coincidence.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    Then I assume that elite goes sterile by choice. Either through homosex or simply never getting around to reproduction. And the human race dies off.

    Is this elite banking on robots to care for them, or what? Because customarily in such stories there’s an underclass of forced laborers to fulfill their needs.

  8. Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    The lavishly funded Human Genome Project of the 1990s had a law saying 5% of the budget had to go to bioethicists, which was an enormous amount of money for people who don't need lab equipment.

    Replies: @guest, @reactionry

    , @AnotherDad
    @guest


    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?
     
    Whenever i read "bioethicist" or "medical ethicist" i know a line of counter ethical nonsense is likely to follow.

    The whole field seems to have been invented to stick a finger into the eye of normal, healthy Western Christian peoples' innate sense of decency, fair play, morality and common sense--as with everything else in the West these days--and replace it with twisted, anti-human and, of course, minoritarian "ethics"

    ... while basically being a spoke in the wheel, parasitically sucking a living off of people who do actual work, with more blab, blab, blab.

    , @Pericles
    @guest

    These cold hearted rogues are camping on the keyword, similar to 'human rights lawyer'.

    , @DiogenesNYC
    @guest

    Hilarious response!

    My experience is that anyone who claims the title ‘Ethicist’ is the last one you want calling any decisions of consequence. Or running a massive healthcare agency.

    Too much perceived ‘moral justification’ or certainty in the face of messy reality = recipe for disaster.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @guest

    "Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn't a mad supervillain?"

    Ezekiel Emanuel is the bumbling, ethically-compromised science advisor to Bondian super-villain Soros. Under the guise of comic relief, servant of Yahweh (the authentic demiurge) Ezekiel plots human experimentation that would make the Nazis drool with envy.

  9. Ezekiel Emanuel is Biden’s most eloquent spokesman. I hope to hear more from him.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @clyde

    Try to hunt down - if they exist - videos on YouTube, or wherever, of 'Zeke' in BBC TV's 1982 'reality show', 'Now Get Out Of That'.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get 'Zeke' to pipe down.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @slumber_j, @Amerimutt Golems

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @clyde

    One of the knocks on the Affordable Care Act that caused Dems and progs to grind their teeth was "Death Panels."

    Now most of us know that the ACA didn't actually have Death Panels as part of the legislation, but those of us who have had parents in long-term care are familiar with DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) orders, advanced directives and living wills, and that consult from the neurologist delivered gracefully ("here is what is entailed by withholding all food and liquids") or not-so-gracefully ("Why did you bring him in here to the ER? He has a progressive neurological disease, what did you expect us to do for him?") So Death Panels are a metaphor for how the medical establishment has preempted Dr. Kevorkian in the management of people dying in slow motion from progressive neurological or other conditions, and yes, a greater reliance on government financial help for healthcare, at the least, creates a kind of conflict of interest.

    The ACA, however, has some kind of medical efficacy provision in that your colonoscopy is free from co-pays. This procedure is regarded as particularly efficacious in heading of cancer death, and there is not a problem of patients, willingly, "overutilizing" colonoscopy procedures unless they have some kind of masochistic mental conditions.

    That said, Mr. Biden campaigned on revisiting the ACA to bring back a Public Option, essentially Sanders Care Lite, or the final camel's nose under the tent of non-socialized healthcare bringing the tent down and breaking camel's back or some such thing. Mr. Biden also campaigned on Mr. Trump on accepting a tradeoff between the economy and lives lost, where the lost lives are predominantly among people past age 75.

    So why, oh why, does the Biden Shadow Government in Supposed Transition bring in Dr. Emmanuel, Dr. A Person Shouldn't Live Past 75, Anyway and You have Lost Your Mental Sharpness Already at 70, where it has already been pointed out by other commentators than me that the irony of this is lost on Mr. Biden?

    Why can he not just let the ACA be, which they tell me is enormously popular among Blacks who benefit more, demographically speaking, from the subsidies on the exchanges. Its cost and drag on the economy by damned, it is broadly popular enough with enough people of all races that Mr. Trump couldn't get the thing voted out in Congress and start over with a better plan?

    Given that hydrocarbon fuels also fueled the job growth and prosperity that the economic drag of the ACA wasn't so much a problem, why does Mr. Biden want to go all Green New Deal on us?

    Given that he ran on a platform that "I will be a non-goofy president, not like Trump" and "I will heal our divide and unite the country", why is he going full bore on immediately overturning every popular thing Mr. Trump did?

    Yeah, yeah, the Scots Irish Conspiracy and all of that, but I still don't get it.

  10. @Anonymous
    Oddly enough, this was almost exactly the plot of the Channel 4 (UK) drama 'Utopia'. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(British_TV_series)) a couple of years back.

    1) A mysterious disease (Russian Flu) threatens the world.
    2) There is a desperate race for a vaccine.
    3) A politician is ordered to head a call for the vaccine to be made available to the third world before the first as it is the moral thing to do.
    4) By doing so, he destroys his own career but greatly increases the desire of everyone to get the vaccine.
    5) It turns out that the whole thing is a conspiracy to sterilise the entire human race apart from a tiny elite of wealthy environmentalists.


    I'm sure that it is all just a coincidence.

    Replies: @guest

    Then I assume that elite goes sterile by choice. Either through homosex or simply never getting around to reproduction. And the human race dies off.

    Is this elite banking on robots to care for them, or what? Because customarily in such stories there’s an underclass of forced laborers to fulfill their needs.

  11. Joe Biden recently named bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel to his COVID council.

    What is actually a bioethicist? Someone with an opinion?

    The Unz Review comments sections must be full of bioethicists.

  12. @guest
    Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Pericles, @DiogenesNYC, @SunBakedSuburb

    The lavishly funded Human Genome Project of the 1990s had a law saying 5% of the budget had to go to bioethicists, which was an enormous amount of money for people who don’t need lab equipment.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Steve Sailer

    Thinking caps are expensive.

    https://i2.wp.com/ryanmcswain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/twilight-zone-once-upon-a-time.gif

    , @reactionry
    @Steve Sailer

    With respect to concerns raised by guest & Gordo*, it would seem to be ethical to require strict licensing of bioethicists. However, would it be ethical for wealthy applicants to approved institutions to avail themselves of the services of some sort of Kaplan & Caplan test prep?

    * Not to be confused with the unethical El Gordo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNSlNs4qGa4

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kaplan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Caplan#Career
    https://www.mymajors.com/colleges/bioethics-medical-ethics-major/
    https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/majors/health-professions-related-clinical-sciences-bioethics-medical-ethics


    Also see:
    I'm Your Kaplan
    I'm Your Caplan
    Though I'm feeling, mighty sick
    Of ethics schmethics, so suck my....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA-CBXuTaeo

    See also: obesity, "Starvin' Marvin,"
    licensed bioethicists become frenzied high priests of Approved Religion, regulatory capture rapture

  13. @Hypnotoad666
    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    Replies: @gent, @Anon, @TTSSYF, @George

    The vaccines are poison. This state of affairs is in our best interest.

  14. @Hypnotoad666
    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    Replies: @gent, @Anon, @TTSSYF, @George

    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    Agree.

  15. Whites in the US have suffered what is already the greatest (for better or worse) genocide in human history over the past several decades. As the percentage of population of whites here has decreased, their demonization has increased. I know only a few words of German, but it seems that in some respects said demonization is less virulent than that of Jews in Germany during the 30s and in others, more so. The US should give priority to vaccinating its own citizens (of all races) in upcoming months.

    [MORE]

    The median age in Chad is about 16 years. It is reasonable to assume that a major factor for the low life expectancy in Chad is a very high rate of death in infancy and childhood and that a Chadian who reaches the age of 54 has a not insignificant chance of living another decade or two, but it is also reasonable to assume that while the Sars-Cov-2 IFR and CFR for Chadians over the age of say, 70, is high, there aren’t many Chadians over that age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Chad
    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/chad-population/#:~:text=Chad%20ranks%20number%2072%20in,34%20people%20per%20mi2).&text=The%20median%20age%20in%20Chad%20is%2016.6%20years.

  16. Why not use doc’s earlier ethical considerations? Don’t waste the vaccine on the elderly, the disabled, and others “incapable of a quality life”?
    I’m sure he’s be all for it.

  17. Re: Nordics having the longest life expectancies

    Actually, Italy and Spain (total population: 108 million) have longer
    life expectancies than the Nordics (total population: 25 million).
    The Nordics have such tiny populations that in terms of the weighted
    average they contribute essentially a rounding error to the overall life
    expectancy of Europe

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon 2

    -Sunnier weather means more Vitamin D, which is VERY important to health.
    -Traditionally, lots of tomatoes, olive oil, cheese, fish, and garlic in their diets.
    -Strong, tight-knit extended families.

    Though young people in the Mediterranean are getting pretty fat these days. So that might change in the future.

    https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/lipids-metabolic/mediterranean-diet-gone-40-regions-children-are-obese


    Countries in the Mediterranean region—thought to have one of the healthiest diets in the world—now have the highest rates of childhood obesity in Europe, according to data presented last week.

     


    The observations came from the Childhood Obesity Surveillance Initiative, a 10-year study analyzing height, weight and eating habits of children in more than 30 countries. Six Mediterranean countries ranked among the top 10 in overweight/obesity rates among children ages 5 to 9, with Italy (42 percent), Greece (41 percent) and Malta (39.9 percent) topping the list. More than 36 percent of children in Spain and Cyprus were also found to be overweight.

     

    Fatter than American kids.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/health/childhood-obesity-europe-mediterranean-study-intl/index.html

    Childhood obesity is more prevalent in this region than in the United States

     

    So maybe life expectancy will fall a bit once these fat kids grow into fat older people.

    Replies: @njguy73

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Anon 2

    The Mediterranean diet is good for you. Lots of antioxidants, lots of fish, lots of olive oil.

    Jeanne Louise Calment, the Frenchwoman who lived to be 122, attributed her longevity to olive oil.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17879997/

    Replies: @Art Deco

  18. • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This is impressive. I thought nobody likes losers.

  19. I’m guessing that more than a few of us here have been summoning up memories of videos of trucks filled with donated flour being mobbed by mobs in the Third World – with some sort of “order” eventually established by warlords. Something like that might occur with respect to vaccine shipments not only in “sh*thole” countries, but also in vibrant locales in the US – perhaps with some warlords here and abroad deliberately destroying doses of the White Man’s (maybe ditto for Subcon and East Asia sources) Evil Juju.

  20. @Anon 2
    Re: Nordics having the longest life expectancies

    Actually, Italy and Spain (total population: 108 million) have longer
    life expectancies than the Nordics (total population: 25 million).
    The Nordics have such tiny populations that in terms of the weighted
    average they contribute essentially a rounding error to the overall life
    expectancy of Europe

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Roderick Spode

    -Sunnier weather means more Vitamin D, which is VERY important to health.
    -Traditionally, lots of tomatoes, olive oil, cheese, fish, and garlic in their diets.
    -Strong, tight-knit extended families.

    Though young people in the Mediterranean are getting pretty fat these days. So that might change in the future.

    https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/lipids-metabolic/mediterranean-diet-gone-40-regions-children-are-obese

    Countries in the Mediterranean region—thought to have one of the healthiest diets in the world—now have the highest rates of childhood obesity in Europe, according to data presented last week.

    The observations came from the Childhood Obesity Surveillance Initiative, a 10-year study analyzing height, weight and eating habits of children in more than 30 countries. Six Mediterranean countries ranked among the top 10 in overweight/obesity rates among children ages 5 to 9, with Italy (42 percent), Greece (41 percent) and Malta (39.9 percent) topping the list. More than 36 percent of children in Spain and Cyprus were also found to be overweight.

    Fatter than American kids.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/health/childhood-obesity-europe-mediterranean-study-intl/index.html

    Childhood obesity is more prevalent in this region than in the United States

    So maybe life expectancy will fall a bit once these fat kids grow into fat older people.

    • Agree: Anon 2
    • Replies: @njguy73
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Per Michael Pollan's "In Defense of Food," the "Mediterranean Diet" is based on the residents of Crete, and the main factors making it healthy are 1) eating wild, not domesticated, grains, and 2) regular fasting per Greek Orthodox ritual.

  21. @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    The lavishly funded Human Genome Project of the 1990s had a law saying 5% of the budget had to go to bioethicists, which was an enormous amount of money for people who don't need lab equipment.

    Replies: @guest, @reactionry

    Thinking caps are expensive.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    The lavishly funded Human Genome Project of the 1990s had a law saying 5% of the budget had to go to bioethicists, which was an enormous amount of money for people who don't need lab equipment.

    Replies: @guest, @reactionry

    With respect to concerns raised by guest & Gordo*, it would seem to be ethical to require strict licensing of bioethicists. However, would it be ethical for wealthy applicants to approved institutions to avail themselves of the services of some sort of Kaplan & Caplan test prep?

    * Not to be confused with the unethical El Gordo

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kaplan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Caplan#Career
    https://www.mymajors.com/colleges/bioethics-medical-ethics-major/
    https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/majors/health-professions-related-clinical-sciences-bioethics-medical-ethics

    [MORE]

    Also see:
    I’m Your Kaplan
    I’m Your Caplan
    Though I’m feeling, mighty sick
    Of ethics schmethics, so suck my….

    See also: obesity, “Starvin’ Marvin,”
    licensed bioethicists become frenzied high priests of Approved Religion, regulatory capture rapture

  23. @Wake up
    Mayor Rahm Emanuel did a fine job in Chicago. Black crime didn’t exist with Rahm running the city. (Total sarcasm)

    Replies: @Jake

    Don’t be silly. Rahm knows that black crime existed in Chicago during his administration. But it virtually did not exist against the super rich or against Jews.

    And that is what is important.

  24. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @clyde
    Ezekiel Emanuel is Biden's most eloquent spokesman. I hope to hear more from him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind

    Try to hunt down – if they exist – videos on YouTube, or wherever, of ‘Zeke’ in BBC TV’s 1982 ‘reality show’, ‘Now Get Out Of That’.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get ‘Zeke’ to pipe down.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Thanks.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Famously, the producers of the show, (the bastards!), denied the contestants food, but tantalisingly offered up to them a caged fluffy white albino rabbit of the children's pet variety.

    Of course, the subject of using the rabbit for food was discussed amongst team members, but being mostly well bred English people who sentimentalized cuddly animals, such talk was swiftly verboten.

    Not to Zeke, however, who surreptitiously donned his rusty and trusty pen knife,cane triumphantly presented the furry gore dripping carcass to the group.

    , @slumber_j
    @Anonymous


    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show.
     
    I don't know that his Americanness is the crucial factor, but Emanuel's manner is just comically grating in that video. You've done the world a great service in bringing it to our attention.
    , @Amerimutt Golems
    @Anonymous

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get ‘Zeke’ to pipe down.

     

    Some people in Europe tend to mistake chutzpah for obnoxious 'Americans'.

    As for Zeke the irony is his dad was in the Irgun which used to kidnap and execute British soldiers then booby trap their bodies.

    Gentiles are supposed to forget about this but not the murder of Jews at Clifford's Tower in York over 700 years ago. One of the worst anti-Semitic massacres of the Middle Ages, is how the English Heritage website describes the event.

  25. Prioritizing the vaccine to people with the lowest life expectancies is self-evidently silly. Life expectancy before COVID was 54 years in Chad, so why prioritize American vaccines for Chadians so they can die of something else at 54?

    They’re not dying at 54 in Chad. They have a life expectancy of 54 years because a large slice of each birth cohort dies between the ages of 0 and 5.

    African countries are warm, their inhabitants do not spend much time indoors in climate-controlled environments, they have comparatively few old people (about 5% of the population of Ghana is over the age of 6o, to take one example), and they’re sufficiently poor that obese people in late middle-age are unusual. Looked at collectively, they’re just not that vulnerable to this virus.

  26. E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.

    For once I agree wholeheartedly with Steve.

    US citizens who serve in the military of a foreign power should be sent to Guantanamo Bay.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @Jonathan Mason

    David Brooks, NYT and the token con on PBS, has a son that served in the IDF. This was in the middle of our Iraq/Afghanistan debacle. The kid had an opportunity to serve his country in war and I guess he served his country in war.

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is a long tradition of Americans serving in the military of allies such as the Americans who volunteered to join the RAF or fly for the Chinese before the US joined the fight against Hitler and Tojo. Such individuals have never been imprisoned or though to be other than praiseworthy. Of course fighting for an enemy power is something else.

    Of course some people here seem to have a problem with Israel being an American ally but it is. Israel just did a big favor for the US by taking out Al Qaeda's #2 (the man responsible for the destruction of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 224 people and wounded hundreds) on the streets of Tehran. Israel had nothing in particular against al-Masri. This was done because the US asked them. No one but Israel has the capability to carry out a surgical operation of this type. Two gunmen on a motorcycle drew up beside al-Masri's car. Five shots were fired from a pistol fitted with a silencer and the motorcycle zoomed away into the darkness. Whether you like the Israelis or not, you have to admire their ability to carry out operations of this type successfully in the heart of enemy territory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/world/middleeast/al-masri-abdullah-qaeda-dead.html

    Don't get your knickers in a twist. Emanuel went on some sort of two week volunteer holiday. Israel doesn't give guns to American tourists and send them to the front line to shoot Palestinian babies. They give them jobs peeling potatoes and such well behind the lines.

  27. @Anonymous
    @clyde

    Try to hunt down - if they exist - videos on YouTube, or wherever, of 'Zeke' in BBC TV's 1982 'reality show', 'Now Get Out Of That'.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get 'Zeke' to pipe down.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @slumber_j, @Amerimutt Golems

    Thanks.

  28. Obviously in the earliest phase of development of vaccines, there will be a bit of a scramble to decide who gets the vaccine first until manufacturing capacity and supply catches up with demand.

    There are several vaccines under development or close to registration, for example Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, NovaVax, AstraZeneca, plus two Russian vaccines, and two or three Chinese vaccines, and perhaps others.

    All are undergoing extensive testing. We might remember that when Edward Jenner pioneered vaccination, his clinical trials consisted of injecting pus from smallpox lesions into an 8-year-old boy, James Phipps. Jenner put smallpox pus into fresh cuts on the boy on 20 more occasions, but nothing happened–he was immune.

    Jenner’s first attempt to publish his results was rejected due to the small sample size of his trial, but, long story short, the rest is history.

    It would be a wonderful act of leadership to cap out his tumultuous presidency, if Donald Trump and other world leaders could get together and formulate a world-wide plan for fair distribution of vaccines, so that those most at risk, like the elderly, or most socially promiscuous, such as health care workers and first responders, would be able to be first in line in all countries.

    To some extent these issues are already being addressed by various initiatives, for example UNICEF and the Pan American Health Organization announced last week the launch of a tender inviting all COVID-19 vaccine developers to submit a proposal for supply in 2021.

    The tender, which will run for 6 weeks, aims to provide at least 2 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines on behalf of the COVAX Facility, administered by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. The aim of the tender is to ensure equitable and accelerated access to certified vaccines for 186 nations.

    The United States, perhaps, should have more access to the more expensive vaccines, for example the Moderna vaccine is expected to cost about $36 per dose, whereas contracts have already been signed for supply of the AstraZeneca ‘Oxford’ vaccine for $4 per dose.

    AstraZeneca has said that it will market its vaccine at production cost until the epidemic is under control. Russia has not yet announced a price for its Sputnik-V vaccine, but it is also expected to be available at cost, or close to it.

    With the profits from the Moderna vaccine the company could then repay the US taxpayer for the funds that the federal government has donated for vaccine development.

    If Trump could bring together all these initiatives in a global plan, then at least he steps back into private life with some kind of achievement to attach to his name. But he does not have a lot of time to waste.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    He does not have a lot of time to waste, but at least he is no longer beholden to the baser elements of his base, and has a great opportunity to show some statesmanship on his way out the door.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    , @notsaying
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don't think vaccine manufacturers will be able to provide 2 billion vaccines next year to the world at large. I am not sure they could provide that much if they wanted to. The rich countries will make arrangements to buy the vaccines they need for their own people.

    The Russians and Chinese have their own too-quickly produced vaccines which I have seen they have committed to supply to many countries. Why these other countries committed to buying them is a question I cannot answer but it certainly is regrettable.

    In any case I think the Russians and Chinese who can will want to come to the First World to get a real vaccine. Something tells me they will be able to do that. Are we going to restrict our vaccines to American citizens, work visa holders and green card holders? We should.

    Or are we going to allow tourists to come here to get a vaccine? I assume all the elite of Central and South America will want to run up here if they can to get a vaccine, too.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  29. @Jonathan Mason
    Obviously in the earliest phase of development of vaccines, there will be a bit of a scramble to decide who gets the vaccine first until manufacturing capacity and supply catches up with demand.

    There are several vaccines under development or close to registration, for example Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, NovaVax, AstraZeneca, plus two Russian vaccines, and two or three Chinese vaccines, and perhaps others.

    All are undergoing extensive testing. We might remember that when Edward Jenner pioneered vaccination, his clinical trials consisted of injecting pus from smallpox lesions into an 8-year-old boy, James Phipps. Jenner put smallpox pus into fresh cuts on the boy on 20 more occasions, but nothing happened--he was immune.

    Jenner's first attempt to publish his results was rejected due to the small sample size of his trial, but, long story short, the rest is history.

    It would be a wonderful act of leadership to cap out his tumultuous presidency, if Donald Trump and other world leaders could get together and formulate a world-wide plan for fair distribution of vaccines, so that those most at risk, like the elderly, or most socially promiscuous, such as health care workers and first responders, would be able to be first in line in all countries.

    To some extent these issues are already being addressed by various initiatives, for example UNICEF and the Pan American Health Organization announced last week the launch of a tender inviting all COVID-19 vaccine developers to submit a proposal for supply in 2021.

    The tender, which will run for 6 weeks, aims to provide at least 2 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines on behalf of the COVAX Facility, administered by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. The aim of the tender is to ensure equitable and accelerated access to certified vaccines for 186 nations.

    The United States, perhaps, should have more access to the more expensive vaccines, for example the Moderna vaccine is expected to cost about $36 per dose, whereas contracts have already been signed for supply of the AstraZeneca 'Oxford' vaccine for $4 per dose.

    AstraZeneca has said that it will market its vaccine at production cost until the epidemic is under control. Russia has not yet announced a price for its Sputnik-V vaccine, but it is also expected to be available at cost, or close to it.

    With the profits from the Moderna vaccine the company could then repay the US taxpayer for the funds that the federal government has donated for vaccine development.

    If Trump could bring together all these initiatives in a global plan, then at least he steps back into private life with some kind of achievement to attach to his name. But he does not have a lot of time to waste.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @notsaying

    He does not have a lot of time to waste, but at least he is no longer beholden to the baser elements of his base, and has a great opportunity to show some statesmanship on his way out the door.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jonathan Mason


    at least he is no longer beholden to the baser elements of his base
     
    He never was, you disingenuous little weasel. If he actually had been he would have won the election handily.
  30. @guest
    Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Pericles, @DiogenesNYC, @SunBakedSuburb

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Whenever i read “bioethicist” or “medical ethicist” i know a line of counter ethical nonsense is likely to follow.

    The whole field seems to have been invented to stick a finger into the eye of normal, healthy Western Christian peoples’ innate sense of decency, fair play, morality and common sense–as with everything else in the West these days–and replace it with twisted, anti-human and, of course, minoritarian “ethics”

    … while basically being a spoke in the wheel, parasitically sucking a living off of people who do actual work, with more blab, blab, blab.

  31. Those “disadvantaged” folks are sitting on a lot of natural resources and strategic real estate. Depending on your views, giving them the vaccine first is buttering them up for access to their resources. They seem like the third world has already have provided access, while the China vs us seems like International Banker Bad Theater. That later is probably just me. For those of us on dark side, killing them off a wee bit quicker due to vaccine side effects could be the motive. Mass death seems to be cheaper in the long run . Also it seems gratifying to the upper echelon of the elite. Either way someone decided to have this bug made, and yet no one asks who or why. Maybe we should.

  32. @Jonathan Mason

    E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.
     
    For once I agree wholeheartedly with Steve.

    US citizens who serve in the military of a foreign power should be sent to Guantanamo Bay.

    Replies: @WJ, @Jack D

    David Brooks, NYT and the token con on PBS, has a son that served in the IDF. This was in the middle of our Iraq/Afghanistan debacle. The kid had an opportunity to serve his country in war and I guess he served his country in war.

  33. @Hypnotoad666
    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    Replies: @gent, @Anon, @TTSSYF, @George

    Agree with the logic, but, speaking for myself, I don’t want the vaccine. I’d rather take my chances with the therapeutics.

  34. @theo the kraut
    > E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.

    Well, gentlemanly so, it seems:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel#Education_and_ballet_dance

    Emanuel took part in a two-week civilian volunteer holiday, known as the Sar-El, where, as a civilian volunteer, he assisted the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf War, helping to repair truck brakes in one of Israel's northern bases.[22][23]

    Replies: @Hibernian

    He wasn’t a civilian volunteer. He was in the IDF. He admitted it, or bragged about it, whichever, after previously having denied it.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Hibernian

    I was in the US Army during peacetime (1957) a very silly way to spend 6 months although amusing and instructive. But for a foreign jew to join the IDF in my mind reflects a greater ambition than I had: to demonstrate one's adherence to a noble concept, that of defending one's fellow jews who had built a new admirable society in what was previously a desert by becoming a so-called Lone Soldier, a foreigner without family in the country, undergoing extremely rigorous military training and learning to understand and speak Hebrew at the same time - no small undertaking. For more info on Rahm Emmanuel's military experience, I recommend Lone Soldiers: Israel's Defenders from Around the World by Herb Keinon. I wish I had the balls to have done what Rahm did.

    Rahm is a patriotic American and I am sure never thought to become an Israeli. He cannot be faulted for doing the Lone Soldier bit. It did not exempt him from the draft yet he is deprecated in this forum for not joining the US Army.

    Perhaps Steve can tell us something about Rahm's stint as mayor of Chicago. Did he do a good job like Bloomberg and Guiliani in NYC?

  35. @guest
    Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Pericles, @DiogenesNYC, @SunBakedSuburb

    These cold hearted rogues are camping on the keyword, similar to ‘human rights lawyer’.

  36. Presumably, Ezekiel’s musings are intended to keep a spot discreetly open for Israel and the diaspora near the head of the line. And, dear readers, what is more ethical than that?

  37. I got an idea, Steve. Those of us who are either not as hooked on the Infotainment narrative and hysterical worried enough to desire the vaccine or those who are worried about bad side effects can officially opt out and donate our dose to the 3rd world. That’ll free up dozens of millions of arm’s worth, enough to inoculate the children of maybe one small corner of Niger or something.

    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You've got the math right. Whatever amount of "sacrifice" Americans were to make is instantly diluted to the level of sheer waste in the ocean of humanity that is breeding like rats in the crap holes. If US population had exploded at rates of those in India since the 1960's, we'd have 800 million people. It would be about the same if we started in the 1970's and followed the utterly ludicrous irresponsibility of an even worse crap hole, Bangladesh.

    , @Known Fact
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Donate my dose? I'd be fine with that --- and Sally Struthers can do the TV ads

  38. Ezekiel is a bioethicist a recognized category in the archipelago of accredited experts. Perhaps due to the influence of Kant he has bought into the higher ethics that supercedes the interests of nation and family. Funnily, he has not adopted black Haitian orphans to raise in his home although our new Supreme Court associate justice has. The principle of universal beneficience is not to be challenged. Are you an accredited bioethicist? I thought not.

    There is no arguing with a nutty principle held by an honest man which I believe Ezekiel to be. The belief that to prefer one’s own is natural is in existential conflict with Christianity. But Ezekiel is a jew and they are notoriously partial to their own or so it is said. So it seems that Ezekiel has forsaken that tradition.

    Christianity theology goes against the natural principle to favor one’s one and has solved the contradiction by setting aside one day of the week when at church the banker can look into the eye of one of his customers and say “I love you in the name of Jesus.” However that principle is inoperative during week-days when asking the banker for a loan.Hypocrisy solves much.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Anonymouse

    Why are you blaming Kant? Where does he posit some sort of higher ethics that (1) supersedes family and ethics and (2) supersedes the concept of property and self-ownership?

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymouse

    Kant was pretty un-Woke:


    “The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises about the trifling. Mr. Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of black who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was every found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality, even though among the whites some continually rise aloft from the lowest rabble, and through superior gifts earn respect in the world. So fundamental is the difference between these two races of man, and it appears to be as great in regard to mental capacities as in color. The religion of fetishes so widespread among them is perhaps a sort of idolatry that sinks as deeply into the trifling as appears to be possible to human nature. A bird’s feather, a cow’s horn, a conch shell, or any other common object, as soon as it becomes consecrated by a few words, is an object of veneration and of invocation in swearing oaths. The blacks are very vain but in the Negro’s way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart from each other with thrashings.”
     
    http://www.csun.edu/~jaa7021/hist496/kant.htm
  39. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @clyde

    Try to hunt down - if they exist - videos on YouTube, or wherever, of 'Zeke' in BBC TV's 1982 'reality show', 'Now Get Out Of That'.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get 'Zeke' to pipe down.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @slumber_j, @Amerimutt Golems

    Famously, the producers of the show, (the bastards!), denied the contestants food, but tantalisingly offered up to them a caged fluffy white albino rabbit of the children’s pet variety.

    Of course, the subject of using the rabbit for food was discussed amongst team members, but being mostly well bred English people who sentimentalized cuddly animals, such talk was swiftly verboten.

    Not to Zeke, however, who surreptitiously donned his rusty and trusty pen knife,cane triumphantly presented the furry gore dripping carcass to the group.

  40. @guest
    Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Pericles, @DiogenesNYC, @SunBakedSuburb

    Hilarious response!

    My experience is that anyone who claims the title ‘Ethicist’ is the last one you want calling any decisions of consequence. Or running a massive healthcare agency.

    Too much perceived ‘moral justification’ or certainty in the face of messy reality = recipe for disaster.

  41. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327828007311073280

    https://twitter.com/WhiteHovse/status/1327798773515493377

    https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1327690877079207936

    https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1327689733175119872

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros

    This is impressive. I thought nobody likes losers.

  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    I got an idea, Steve. Those of us who are either not as hooked on the Infotainment narrative and hysterical worried enough to desire the vaccine or those who are worried about bad side effects can officially opt out and donate our dose to the 3rd world. That'll free up dozens of millions of arm's worth, enough to inoculate the children of maybe one small corner of Niger or something.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra, @Known Fact

    You’ve got the math right. Whatever amount of “sacrifice” Americans were to make is instantly diluted to the level of sheer waste in the ocean of humanity that is breeding like rats in the crap holes. If US population had exploded at rates of those in India since the 1960’s, we’d have 800 million people. It would be about the same if we started in the 1970’s and followed the utterly ludicrous irresponsibility of an even worse crap hole, Bangladesh.

  43. @Hibernian
    @theo the kraut

    He wasn't a civilian volunteer. He was in the IDF. He admitted it, or bragged about it, whichever, after previously having denied it.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    I was in the US Army during peacetime (1957) a very silly way to spend 6 months although amusing and instructive. But for a foreign jew to join the IDF in my mind reflects a greater ambition than I had: to demonstrate one’s adherence to a noble concept, that of defending one’s fellow jews who had built a new admirable society in what was previously a desert by becoming a so-called Lone Soldier, a foreigner without family in the country, undergoing extremely rigorous military training and learning to understand and speak Hebrew at the same time – no small undertaking. For more info on Rahm Emmanuel’s military experience, I recommend Lone Soldiers: Israel’s Defenders from Around the World by Herb Keinon. I wish I had the balls to have done what Rahm did.

    Rahm is a patriotic American and I am sure never thought to become an Israeli. He cannot be faulted for doing the Lone Soldier bit. It did not exempt him from the draft yet he is deprecated in this forum for not joining the US Army.

    Perhaps Steve can tell us something about Rahm’s stint as mayor of Chicago. Did he do a good job like Bloomberg and Guiliani in NYC?

  44. @Anonymous
    @clyde

    Try to hunt down - if they exist - videos on YouTube, or wherever, of 'Zeke' in BBC TV's 1982 'reality show', 'Now Get Out Of That'.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get 'Zeke' to pipe down.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @slumber_j, @Amerimutt Golems

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show.

    I don’t know that his Americanness is the crucial factor, but Emanuel’s manner is just comically grating in that video. You’ve done the world a great service in bringing it to our attention.

    • Agree: Lot
  45. I will take it when my employer provides if for me.

    At that point I will know its safe, my employer doesn’t want to get sued if workers get sick from it.

  46. “Ezekiel Emanuel: the US Government Should Let Americans Die in Order to Give Scarce COVID Vaccines to Countries Where People Die Young Anyway”

    Hey EZ E, let’s start in Palestine!

    But the other moral of the story is: Whitey pays so darky can play.

    But I did predict a few weeks ago that Biden would fill his cabinet with Chicago Machine retreads.

  47. I guess Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel just isn’t that smart. I’m beginning to wonder whether the credentialing process for America’s best and brightest even works anymore.

  48. Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea? Unfortunately, yes. For decades we’ve been turbocharging their breeding spree with life-saving drugs to ensure as many of them as possible live long and fertile lives.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Rob McX


    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea?
     
    Maybe the elites are doing this to help...manage the World's Most Important Graph?
    , @Jmaie
    @Rob McX


    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea?
     
    The developed world already has stuff. Africans don't have as much stuff. If I were in the business of selling stuff, I'd want more Africans.

    Replies: @bomag

  49. @clyde
    Ezekiel Emanuel is Biden's most eloquent spokesman. I hope to hear more from him.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind

    One of the knocks on the Affordable Care Act that caused Dems and progs to grind their teeth was “Death Panels.”

    Now most of us know that the ACA didn’t actually have Death Panels as part of the legislation, but those of us who have had parents in long-term care are familiar with DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) orders, advanced directives and living wills, and that consult from the neurologist delivered gracefully (“here is what is entailed by withholding all food and liquids”) or not-so-gracefully (“Why did you bring him in here to the ER? He has a progressive neurological disease, what did you expect us to do for him?”) So Death Panels are a metaphor for how the medical establishment has preempted Dr. Kevorkian in the management of people dying in slow motion from progressive neurological or other conditions, and yes, a greater reliance on government financial help for healthcare, at the least, creates a kind of conflict of interest.

    The ACA, however, has some kind of medical efficacy provision in that your colonoscopy is free from co-pays. This procedure is regarded as particularly efficacious in heading of cancer death, and there is not a problem of patients, willingly, “overutilizing” colonoscopy procedures unless they have some kind of masochistic mental conditions.

    That said, Mr. Biden campaigned on revisiting the ACA to bring back a Public Option, essentially Sanders Care Lite, or the final camel’s nose under the tent of non-socialized healthcare bringing the tent down and breaking camel’s back or some such thing. Mr. Biden also campaigned on Mr. Trump on accepting a tradeoff between the economy and lives lost, where the lost lives are predominantly among people past age 75.

    So why, oh why, does the Biden Shadow Government in Supposed Transition bring in Dr. Emmanuel, Dr. A Person Shouldn’t Live Past 75, Anyway and You have Lost Your Mental Sharpness Already at 70, where it has already been pointed out by other commentators than me that the irony of this is lost on Mr. Biden?

    Why can he not just let the ACA be, which they tell me is enormously popular among Blacks who benefit more, demographically speaking, from the subsidies on the exchanges. Its cost and drag on the economy by damned, it is broadly popular enough with enough people of all races that Mr. Trump couldn’t get the thing voted out in Congress and start over with a better plan?

    Given that hydrocarbon fuels also fueled the job growth and prosperity that the economic drag of the ACA wasn’t so much a problem, why does Mr. Biden want to go all Green New Deal on us?

    Given that he ran on a platform that “I will be a non-goofy president, not like Trump” and “I will heal our divide and unite the country”, why is he going full bore on immediately overturning every popular thing Mr. Trump did?

    Yeah, yeah, the Scots Irish Conspiracy and all of that, but I still don’t get it.

    • Agree: bomag
  50. So, even here, the very last people in line to get vaccinated should be the elderly, particularly those already afflicted with some serious medical condition? Since they, the most “high risk” demographic, are bound to die soon anyway. –The very opposite of the policy that has been announced.

  51. Emanuel is right; let’s give it to the third world, good and hard.

  52. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Somehow I always hear about what people like this Ezekiel think. Of the millions in America who are educated and smart it’s always the same small group that receive a media platform. They all promote the in group and each other. They all have ‘juice’ apparently. Has this character ever done anything of ‘world-historical innovative significance’ to date besides give his opinions and engage in self-worship? Oh and he’s on Biden’s team which is just great for us American guinea pigs.

  53. Regardless of who gets the vaccine first, it is clear that bioethicists should be last in line for any vaccine.

  54. @Hypnotoad666
    The ethics seem straightforward. American taxpayers paid for the vaccine. So they get it first.

    Replies: @gent, @Anon, @TTSSYF, @George

    How about American taxpayers paid for the vaccine so let’s test it in, you know , someplace other than America. Actually, if they wanted to prove it worked maybe they should try Iran where supposedly covid is the worst.

    I am curious about the Pfizer trial. Did anyone in the control group actually die? or even get sick? I am personally not impressed by this cases stuff.

    If it comes to this, can I choose between the pfizer vaccination and the Russian, Chinese, ect vaccination? Why am I stuck with Pfizer?

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  55. Shorter version: “If I were in charge, white middle class Americans would be the last to get the vaccine, if they got it at all. Because I’m a spiteful prick.”

  56. @guest
    Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain? Every time I hear about them they’re playing God based on seemingly arbitrary whimsy.

    Where did this discipline come from, anyway? If it can be called that. Who is the Charles Darwin of bioethics? Or even the DeGrasse Tyson?

    Do they piggyback on old names, like Aristotle? (Minus everything he’d get cancelled for.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Pericles, @DiogenesNYC, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Has there ever been a bioethicist who wasn’t a mad supervillain?”

    Ezekiel Emanuel is the bumbling, ethically-compromised science advisor to Bondian super-villain Soros. Under the guise of comic relief, servant of Yahweh (the authentic demiurge) Ezekiel plots human experimentation that would make the Nazis drool with envy.

  57. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    He does not have a lot of time to waste, but at least he is no longer beholden to the baser elements of his base, and has a great opportunity to show some statesmanship on his way out the door.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    at least he is no longer beholden to the baser elements of his base

    He never was, you disingenuous little weasel. If he actually had been he would have won the election handily.

  58. @Jonathan Mason

    E.g., during the Gulf War of 1991, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s first chief of staff, volunteered to serve in the military … in Israel.
     
    For once I agree wholeheartedly with Steve.

    US citizens who serve in the military of a foreign power should be sent to Guantanamo Bay.

    Replies: @WJ, @Jack D

    There is a long tradition of Americans serving in the military of allies such as the Americans who volunteered to join the RAF or fly for the Chinese before the US joined the fight against Hitler and Tojo. Such individuals have never been imprisoned or though to be other than praiseworthy. Of course fighting for an enemy power is something else.

    Of course some people here seem to have a problem with Israel being an American ally but it is. Israel just did a big favor for the US by taking out Al Qaeda’s #2 (the man responsible for the destruction of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 224 people and wounded hundreds) on the streets of Tehran. Israel had nothing in particular against al-Masri. This was done because the US asked them. No one but Israel has the capability to carry out a surgical operation of this type. Two gunmen on a motorcycle drew up beside al-Masri’s car. Five shots were fired from a pistol fitted with a silencer and the motorcycle zoomed away into the darkness. Whether you like the Israelis or not, you have to admire their ability to carry out operations of this type successfully in the heart of enemy territory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/world/middleeast/al-masri-abdullah-qaeda-dead.html

    Don’t get your knickers in a twist. Emanuel went on some sort of two week volunteer holiday. Israel doesn’t give guns to American tourists and send them to the front line to shoot Palestinian babies. They give them jobs peeling potatoes and such well behind the lines.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  59. @Achmed E. Newman
    I got an idea, Steve. Those of us who are either not as hooked on the Infotainment narrative and hysterical worried enough to desire the vaccine or those who are worried about bad side effects can officially opt out and donate our dose to the 3rd world. That'll free up dozens of millions of arm's worth, enough to inoculate the children of maybe one small corner of Niger or something.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra, @Known Fact

    Donate my dose? I’d be fine with that — and Sally Struthers can do the TV ads

  60. @Rob McX
    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea? Unfortunately, yes. For decades we've been turbocharging their breeding spree with life-saving drugs to ensure as many of them as possible live long and fertile lives.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jmaie

    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea?

    Maybe the elites are doing this to help…manage the World’s Most Important Graph?

  61. I take the glass half full of bioethicist misanthropes. Who knows where their cynicism might lead when genetic engineering becomes ever more real?

  62. @Anonymous
    @clyde

    Try to hunt down - if they exist - videos on YouTube, or wherever, of 'Zeke' in BBC TV's 1982 'reality show', 'Now Get Out Of That'.

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get 'Zeke' to pipe down.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous, @slumber_j, @Amerimutt Golems

    Zeke, whom I have since learned is none other than the young Ezekiel Emanuel, was a rather annoying, excitable, voluble and loud American contestant on that show. As I recall, the older, calmer Englishmen on that show spent a lot of time trying to get ‘Zeke’ to pipe down.

    Some people in Europe tend to mistake chutzpah for obnoxious ‘Americans’.

    As for Zeke the irony is his dad was in the Irgun which used to kidnap and execute British soldiers then booby trap their bodies.

    Gentiles are supposed to forget about this but not the murder of Jews at Clifford’s Tower in York over 700 years ago. One of the worst anti-Semitic massacres of the Middle Ages, is how the English Heritage website describes the event.

  63. @Rob McX
    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea? Unfortunately, yes. For decades we've been turbocharging their breeding spree with life-saving drugs to ensure as many of them as possible live long and fertile lives.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jmaie

    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea?

    The developed world already has stuff. Africans don’t have as much stuff. If I were in the business of selling stuff, I’d want more Africans.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jmaie


    If I were in the business of selling stuff, I’d want more Africans.
     
    A) Reminds us of the Battle of Our Age: toilet paper sales vs. bookstores. Toilet paper salesmen are winning at the moment, but long term could be grim.

    B) Do Africans earn enough to buy stuff? We seem to be in an age where money magically appears to subsidize them, but can this go on forever?
  64. @Anonymous
    *ANY* Government's first, last and only duty is to its own citizens. *EVERYTHING* else is just an also-ran.

    Perhaps the first, clearest and most important moral and civics lesson a child ever learns. As true today as it was in the year 0 AD. True in the most primitive, barbarous and uncivilized tribe run by a chief or headman.

    Yet today, in the Economist whipped west - and only the west, mind you - of the year 2020 AD, it happens to be a contentious, tenuous and controversial statement, principally amongst the leading personages of the *Governments* themselves of the west.

    Replies: @bomag

    Zeke et al are best considered to be politicians; their thankful constituents are Chadians, etc. who will show their gratitude by coming here and voting for politicians of Zeke’s choice.

    Another example: the pres. Democrats all raising their hands to support funding health care for illegals.

    Best. Constituents. Ever.

  65. Countries Where People Die Young Anyway

    Rwanda, of all places, has nearly caught up in life expectancy to the lowest-ranking states. Proximity to the Ohio River seems particularly deadly to whites.


    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Reg Cæsar

    That would be proximity to the Mississippi, barbecue, and fried chicken. Or maybe it is okra.

  66. If Americans start going to the mall again

    Coronavirus is strike 3 for shopping malls. Strike 1 was Amazon. Strike 2 was black flash mobs.

  67. The UK government announced that VIPs, including Her Majesty, would not get moved to the front of the queue. Then someone did a poll and found that something north of 80% thought she should get it first, to set an example. Many want Boris to go first, but just to see what happens to him.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Besides the whole "setting an example" thing, she's also more than 94.5 years old. I don't feel like looking up the exact number but she's almost certainly older than 98% of the population. Probably >99%. Her age alone should put her at the front of the line. Plus, the nature of her job means she's much more likely to contract and to spread the virus than most people her age, and probably most people half her age.

    Plus, her and/or Philip dying would be great tragedies to most Brits. They're not young (especially Philip), but I think most people want them around as long as possible, especially in the queen's case, in part because her death means Charles becomes king.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Countries Where People Die Young Anyway

     
    Rwanda, of all places, has nearly caught up in life expectancy to the lowest-ranking states. Proximity to the Ohio River seems particularly deadly to whites.

    https://healthyalgorithms.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/life-expectancy.png?w=584


    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/images/facebook-thumb/usa-life-expectancy-by-county.jpg

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    That would be proximity to the Mississippi, barbecue, and fried chicken. Or maybe it is okra.

  69. • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anonymous

    George Shultz (99), Henry Kissinger (97), Sam Nunn (82), and Dopey Joe. Holmes seemed to have a way with seniors. I have this weird vision of her hypnotising the old geezers, like a rattlesnake closing in on a rabbit. There's something freaky about her.

  70. @Anonymouse
    Ezekiel is a bioethicist a recognized category in the archipelago of accredited experts. Perhaps due to the influence of Kant he has bought into the higher ethics that supercedes the interests of nation and family. Funnily, he has not adopted black Haitian orphans to raise in his home although our new Supreme Court associate justice has. The principle of universal beneficience is not to be challenged. Are you an accredited bioethicist? I thought not.

    There is no arguing with a nutty principle held by an honest man which I believe Ezekiel to be. The belief that to prefer one's own is natural is in existential conflict with Christianity. But Ezekiel is a jew and they are notoriously partial to their own or so it is said. So it seems that Ezekiel has forsaken that tradition.

    Christianity theology goes against the natural principle to favor one's one and has solved the contradiction by setting aside one day of the week when at church the banker can look into the eye of one of his customers and say "I love you in the name of Jesus." However that principle is inoperative during week-days when asking the banker for a loan.Hypocrisy solves much.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @syonredux

    Why are you blaming Kant? Where does he posit some sort of higher ethics that (1) supersedes family and ethics and (2) supersedes the concept of property and self-ownership?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Ben tillman

    Not “family and ethics”. “Family and nation”.

  71. @Ben tillman
    @Anonymouse

    Why are you blaming Kant? Where does he posit some sort of higher ethics that (1) supersedes family and ethics and (2) supersedes the concept of property and self-ownership?

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Not “family and ethics”. “Family and nation”.

  72. @Jonathan Mason
    Obviously in the earliest phase of development of vaccines, there will be a bit of a scramble to decide who gets the vaccine first until manufacturing capacity and supply catches up with demand.

    There are several vaccines under development or close to registration, for example Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, NovaVax, AstraZeneca, plus two Russian vaccines, and two or three Chinese vaccines, and perhaps others.

    All are undergoing extensive testing. We might remember that when Edward Jenner pioneered vaccination, his clinical trials consisted of injecting pus from smallpox lesions into an 8-year-old boy, James Phipps. Jenner put smallpox pus into fresh cuts on the boy on 20 more occasions, but nothing happened--he was immune.

    Jenner's first attempt to publish his results was rejected due to the small sample size of his trial, but, long story short, the rest is history.

    It would be a wonderful act of leadership to cap out his tumultuous presidency, if Donald Trump and other world leaders could get together and formulate a world-wide plan for fair distribution of vaccines, so that those most at risk, like the elderly, or most socially promiscuous, such as health care workers and first responders, would be able to be first in line in all countries.

    To some extent these issues are already being addressed by various initiatives, for example UNICEF and the Pan American Health Organization announced last week the launch of a tender inviting all COVID-19 vaccine developers to submit a proposal for supply in 2021.

    The tender, which will run for 6 weeks, aims to provide at least 2 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines on behalf of the COVAX Facility, administered by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance. The aim of the tender is to ensure equitable and accelerated access to certified vaccines for 186 nations.

    The United States, perhaps, should have more access to the more expensive vaccines, for example the Moderna vaccine is expected to cost about $36 per dose, whereas contracts have already been signed for supply of the AstraZeneca 'Oxford' vaccine for $4 per dose.

    AstraZeneca has said that it will market its vaccine at production cost until the epidemic is under control. Russia has not yet announced a price for its Sputnik-V vaccine, but it is also expected to be available at cost, or close to it.

    With the profits from the Moderna vaccine the company could then repay the US taxpayer for the funds that the federal government has donated for vaccine development.

    If Trump could bring together all these initiatives in a global plan, then at least he steps back into private life with some kind of achievement to attach to his name. But he does not have a lot of time to waste.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @notsaying

    I don’t think vaccine manufacturers will be able to provide 2 billion vaccines next year to the world at large. I am not sure they could provide that much if they wanted to. The rich countries will make arrangements to buy the vaccines they need for their own people.

    The Russians and Chinese have their own too-quickly produced vaccines which I have seen they have committed to supply to many countries. Why these other countries committed to buying them is a question I cannot answer but it certainly is regrettable.

    In any case I think the Russians and Chinese who can will want to come to the First World to get a real vaccine. Something tells me they will be able to do that. Are we going to restrict our vaccines to American citizens, work visa holders and green card holders? We should.

    Or are we going to allow tourists to come here to get a vaccine? I assume all the elite of Central and South America will want to run up here if they can to get a vaccine, too.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @notsaying

    Whether they can or they cannot, the number of people in the world over the age of 60 is about 1 billion.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  73. because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?

    Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus when he was around 90. According to Plutarch, Sophocles’ sons, resenting the old man’s excessive longevity, tried to get possession of his estate on grounds senility. Sophocles successfully rebutted the charge by reciting a recently composed passage from Colonus in court, asking if it was the work of an imbecile.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux


    because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?
     
    Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus when he was around 90. According to Plutarch, Sophocles’ sons, resenting the old man’s excessive longevity, tried to get possession of his estate on grounds of senility. Sophocles successfully rebutted the charge by reciting a recently composed passage from Colonus in court, asking if it was the work of an imbecile.
    , @Anonymouse
    @syonredux

    I am 86 and I just reread Ezekiel Emmanuel's essay in the Atlantic Magazine following up on Steve's piece. I have in recent years got up to speed in what I should have doing many decades ago which would have gotten me a good job in academia. Oh well! Too bad! It doesn't really matter any more. To demonstrate that I'm not just talking out my ass, I invite you to check out a recent learned article which I have put up in the Internet cloud: www.charlesumlauf.com/last_words.htm. In it I propose what I think is a convincing reading of Socrates' famous Last Words. In case you don't know Socrates' last words, he said, after drinking a fatal dose of poison, "Crito, we owe a rooster to Apuleius. Discharge the debt and mind you don't forget to do so."

    OTOH, more and more I have mental lapses in which I say "forks" instead of "spoons." Worst of all is saying "sour cream" when I mean "yoghurt" leading to great confusion in the kitchen.

  74. @syonredux

    because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?
     
    Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus when he was around 90. According to Plutarch, Sophocles' sons, resenting the old man's excessive longevity, tried to get possession of his estate on grounds senility. Sophocles successfully rebutted the charge by reciting a recently composed passage from Colonus in court, asking if it was the work of an imbecile.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymouse

    because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?

    Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus when he was around 90. According to Plutarch, Sophocles’ sons, resenting the old man’s excessive longevity, tried to get possession of his estate on grounds of senility. Sophocles successfully rebutted the charge by reciting a recently composed passage from Colonus in court, asking if it was the work of an imbecile.

  75. @notsaying
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don't think vaccine manufacturers will be able to provide 2 billion vaccines next year to the world at large. I am not sure they could provide that much if they wanted to. The rich countries will make arrangements to buy the vaccines they need for their own people.

    The Russians and Chinese have their own too-quickly produced vaccines which I have seen they have committed to supply to many countries. Why these other countries committed to buying them is a question I cannot answer but it certainly is regrettable.

    In any case I think the Russians and Chinese who can will want to come to the First World to get a real vaccine. Something tells me they will be able to do that. Are we going to restrict our vaccines to American citizens, work visa holders and green card holders? We should.

    Or are we going to allow tourists to come here to get a vaccine? I assume all the elite of Central and South America will want to run up here if they can to get a vaccine, too.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Whether they can or they cannot, the number of people in the world over the age of 60 is about 1 billion.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    Whether they can or they cannot, the number of people in the world over the age of 60 is about 1 billion.

     

    A much whiter septile than the other six, presumably.

    By the way, if progressives don't care for "dead white males", why did they nominate and rig an election for one?
  76. @Art Deco
    @notsaying

    Whether they can or they cannot, the number of people in the world over the age of 60 is about 1 billion.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Whether they can or they cannot, the number of people in the world over the age of 60 is about 1 billion.

    A much whiter septile than the other six, presumably.

    By the way, if progressives don’t care for “dead white males”, why did they nominate and rig an election for one?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  77. @Anonymouse
    Ezekiel is a bioethicist a recognized category in the archipelago of accredited experts. Perhaps due to the influence of Kant he has bought into the higher ethics that supercedes the interests of nation and family. Funnily, he has not adopted black Haitian orphans to raise in his home although our new Supreme Court associate justice has. The principle of universal beneficience is not to be challenged. Are you an accredited bioethicist? I thought not.

    There is no arguing with a nutty principle held by an honest man which I believe Ezekiel to be. The belief that to prefer one's own is natural is in existential conflict with Christianity. But Ezekiel is a jew and they are notoriously partial to their own or so it is said. So it seems that Ezekiel has forsaken that tradition.

    Christianity theology goes against the natural principle to favor one's one and has solved the contradiction by setting aside one day of the week when at church the banker can look into the eye of one of his customers and say "I love you in the name of Jesus." However that principle is inoperative during week-days when asking the banker for a loan.Hypocrisy solves much.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @syonredux

    Kant was pretty un-Woke:

    “The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises about the trifling. Mr. Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of black who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was every found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality, even though among the whites some continually rise aloft from the lowest rabble, and through superior gifts earn respect in the world. So fundamental is the difference between these two races of man, and it appears to be as great in regard to mental capacities as in color. The religion of fetishes so widespread among them is perhaps a sort of idolatry that sinks as deeply into the trifling as appears to be possible to human nature. A bird’s feather, a cow’s horn, a conch shell, or any other common object, as soon as it becomes consecrated by a few words, is an object of veneration and of invocation in swearing oaths. The blacks are very vain but in the Negro’s way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart from each other with thrashings.”

    http://www.csun.edu/~jaa7021/hist496/kant.htm

  78. “Three values are particularly relevant: benefiting people and limiting harm, prioritizing the disadvantaged, and equal moral concern.”

    Well, those three (actually, four) “values” are mutually incompatible. Whomever Emanuel and his cronies define as “disadvantaged” will get privileged treatment and benefit, while those whom they define as “advantaged” will be deliberately harmed. So much for “equal moral concern,” or for “limiting harm.”

    American “ethicists” aka “ethics experts” like Emanuel are utterly corrupt. They can’t argue themselves out of a paper bag. What is now called “cancel culture” has been at home on campus for generations. (There is no such thing as an “ethics expert.”)

  79. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/shoe_sticky/status/1327869274929524738

    Replies: @Rob McX

    George Shultz (99), Henry Kissinger (97), Sam Nunn (82), and Dopey Joe. Holmes seemed to have a way with seniors. I have this weird vision of her hypnotising the old geezers, like a rattlesnake closing in on a rabbit. There’s something freaky about her.

    • Agree: notsaying
  80. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon 2

    -Sunnier weather means more Vitamin D, which is VERY important to health.
    -Traditionally, lots of tomatoes, olive oil, cheese, fish, and garlic in their diets.
    -Strong, tight-knit extended families.

    Though young people in the Mediterranean are getting pretty fat these days. So that might change in the future.

    https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/lipids-metabolic/mediterranean-diet-gone-40-regions-children-are-obese


    Countries in the Mediterranean region—thought to have one of the healthiest diets in the world—now have the highest rates of childhood obesity in Europe, according to data presented last week.

     


    The observations came from the Childhood Obesity Surveillance Initiative, a 10-year study analyzing height, weight and eating habits of children in more than 30 countries. Six Mediterranean countries ranked among the top 10 in overweight/obesity rates among children ages 5 to 9, with Italy (42 percent), Greece (41 percent) and Malta (39.9 percent) topping the list. More than 36 percent of children in Spain and Cyprus were also found to be overweight.

     

    Fatter than American kids.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/health/childhood-obesity-europe-mediterranean-study-intl/index.html

    Childhood obesity is more prevalent in this region than in the United States

     

    So maybe life expectancy will fall a bit once these fat kids grow into fat older people.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Per Michael Pollan’s “In Defense of Food,” the “Mediterranean Diet” is based on the residents of Crete, and the main factors making it healthy are 1) eating wild, not domesticated, grains, and 2) regular fasting per Greek Orthodox ritual.

  81. @syonredux

    because nobody does anything of world-historical innovative significance after 75, so what is the point of living anyway?
     
    Sophocles wrote Oedipus at Colonus when he was around 90. According to Plutarch, Sophocles' sons, resenting the old man's excessive longevity, tried to get possession of his estate on grounds senility. Sophocles successfully rebutted the charge by reciting a recently composed passage from Colonus in court, asking if it was the work of an imbecile.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymouse

    I am 86 and I just reread Ezekiel Emmanuel’s essay in the Atlantic Magazine following up on Steve’s piece. I have in recent years got up to speed in what I should have doing many decades ago which would have gotten me a good job in academia. Oh well! Too bad! It doesn’t really matter any more. To demonstrate that I’m not just talking out my ass, I invite you to check out a recent learned article which I have put up in the Internet cloud: http://www.charlesumlauf.com/last_words.htm. In it I propose what I think is a convincing reading of Socrates’ famous Last Words. In case you don’t know Socrates’ last words, he said, after drinking a fatal dose of poison, “Crito, we owe a rooster to Apuleius. Discharge the debt and mind you don’t forget to do so.”

    OTOH, more and more I have mental lapses in which I say “forks” instead of “spoons.” Worst of all is saying “sour cream” when I mean “yoghurt” leading to great confusion in the kitchen.

  82. @Anon 2
    Re: Nordics having the longest life expectancies

    Actually, Italy and Spain (total population: 108 million) have longer
    life expectancies than the Nordics (total population: 25 million).
    The Nordics have such tiny populations that in terms of the weighted
    average they contribute essentially a rounding error to the overall life
    expectancy of Europe

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Roderick Spode

    The Mediterranean diet is good for you. Lots of antioxidants, lots of fish, lots of olive oil.

    Jeanne Louise Calment, the Frenchwoman who lived to be 122, attributed her longevity to olive oil.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17879997/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Roderick Spode

    A thesis has been presented that she assumed her mother's identity in order to avoid paying inheritance taxes.

  83. @Roderick Spode
    @Anon 2

    The Mediterranean diet is good for you. Lots of antioxidants, lots of fish, lots of olive oil.

    Jeanne Louise Calment, the Frenchwoman who lived to be 122, attributed her longevity to olive oil.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17879997/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    A thesis has been presented that she assumed her mother’s identity in order to avoid paying inheritance taxes.

  84. It’s certainly possible. Olive oil and fish are still good for you for regardless.

  85. @The Alarmist
    The UK government announced that VIPs, including Her Majesty, would not get moved to the front of the queue. Then someone did a poll and found that something north of 80% thought she should get it first, to set an example. Many want Boris to go first, but just to see what happens to him.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Besides the whole “setting an example” thing, she’s also more than 94.5 years old. I don’t feel like looking up the exact number but she’s almost certainly older than 98% of the population. Probably >99%. Her age alone should put her at the front of the line. Plus, the nature of her job means she’s much more likely to contract and to spread the virus than most people her age, and probably most people half her age.

    Plus, her and/or Philip dying would be great tragedies to most Brits. They’re not young (especially Philip), but I think most people want them around as long as possible, especially in the queen’s case, in part because her death means Charles becomes king.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AndrewR

    A poll I saw earlier suggested that most Britons want to see William become the next King; I suspect they’re really rooting for Kate.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  86. After looking at the video, I strongly suspect that Zeke’s you-should-die-after-75 philosophy isn’t so much a philosophy as a mental pathology. Steve basically indicated this at times in the article, but I thought he was joking.

  87. @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Besides the whole "setting an example" thing, she's also more than 94.5 years old. I don't feel like looking up the exact number but she's almost certainly older than 98% of the population. Probably >99%. Her age alone should put her at the front of the line. Plus, the nature of her job means she's much more likely to contract and to spread the virus than most people her age, and probably most people half her age.

    Plus, her and/or Philip dying would be great tragedies to most Brits. They're not young (especially Philip), but I think most people want them around as long as possible, especially in the queen's case, in part because her death means Charles becomes king.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    A poll I saw earlier suggested that most Britons want to see William become the next King; I suspect they’re really rooting for Kate.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Well Chuck is gonna be the next king unless he dies before Liz. And one can't help but feel a bit sorry for the old bastard too. Forced to marry a young girl he didn't love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight. His wife and true love may never be accepted as queen. It's all rather tragic. But yes, William and Kate seem almost too good to be true. Thank God Harry was the "spare," and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @Rob McX

  88. @The Alarmist
    @AndrewR

    A poll I saw earlier suggested that most Britons want to see William become the next King; I suspect they’re really rooting for Kate.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Well Chuck is gonna be the next king unless he dies before Liz. And one can’t help but feel a bit sorry for the old bastard too. Forced to marry a young girl he didn’t love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight. His wife and true love may never be accepted as queen. It’s all rather tragic. But yes, William and Kate seem almost too good to be true. Thank God Harry was the “spare,” and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AndrewR


    Forced to marry a young girl he didn’t love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight.
     
    Blame that and many other misfortunes of the Empire / Commonwealth on Louis Mountbatten. If Mountbatten hadn’t insisted Charles take a virgin bride, Charles would have gone for Camilla in the first place, and the Windsor familynmight have been spared a lot of grief.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    He wasn't forced, just encouraged. Diana looked good on paper; what wasn't evident on paper was that she was borderline; she was also contumacious in dealing with the people who were supposed to give her training for public appearances.

    Lord Mountbatten's actual idea was to fix Charles up with his 2d cousin, who is by all appearances a sensible person. Everyone was on board with the idea but the 2d cousin in question, who had no interest in being subject to that much public attention. Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @Rob McX
    @AndrewR


    Thank God Harry was the “spare,” and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.
     
    When I think of the prospect of Harry on the throne with Meghan as his consort, my advice to William and Kate would be "Breed like rabbits!"
  89. @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Well Chuck is gonna be the next king unless he dies before Liz. And one can't help but feel a bit sorry for the old bastard too. Forced to marry a young girl he didn't love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight. His wife and true love may never be accepted as queen. It's all rather tragic. But yes, William and Kate seem almost too good to be true. Thank God Harry was the "spare," and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    Forced to marry a young girl he didn’t love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight.

    Blame that and many other misfortunes of the Empire / Commonwealth on Louis Mountbatten. If Mountbatten hadn’t insisted Charles take a virgin bride, Charles would have gone for Camilla in the first place, and the Windsor familynmight have been spared a lot of grief.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    It could have worked out fine if Charles had been nicer to Diana and let her take her own lovers after a few kids were born. Of course, Diana wasn't the most psychologically stable person either. I can't even imagine what would drive someone to bulemia. Just get drunk like a normal person.

  90. @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Well Chuck is gonna be the next king unless he dies before Liz. And one can't help but feel a bit sorry for the old bastard too. Forced to marry a young girl he didn't love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight. His wife and true love may never be accepted as queen. It's all rather tragic. But yes, William and Kate seem almost too good to be true. Thank God Harry was the "spare," and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    He wasn’t forced, just encouraged. Diana looked good on paper; what wasn’t evident on paper was that she was borderline; she was also contumacious in dealing with the people who were supposed to give her training for public appearances.

    Lord Mountbatten’s actual idea was to fix Charles up with his 2d cousin, who is by all appearances a sensible person. Everyone was on board with the idea but the 2d cousin in question, who had no interest in being subject to that much public attention. Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.
     
    In a sane world, Sinn Fein's political leadership, the men who likely ordered Mountbatten's death, would have been taken out in retaliation. But that's modern Britain's political leadership for you.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  91. @AndrewR
    @The Alarmist

    Well Chuck is gonna be the next king unless he dies before Liz. And one can't help but feel a bit sorry for the old bastard too. Forced to marry a young girl he didn't love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight. His wife and true love may never be accepted as queen. It's all rather tragic. But yes, William and Kate seem almost too good to be true. Thank God Harry was the "spare," and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    Thank God Harry was the “spare,” and now will never be king, barring three unspeakable tragedies. Will and Kate should make use of her few remaining fertile years just to be extra safe.

    When I think of the prospect of Harry on the throne with Meghan as his consort, my advice to William and Kate would be “Breed like rabbits!”

  92. @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    He wasn't forced, just encouraged. Diana looked good on paper; what wasn't evident on paper was that she was borderline; she was also contumacious in dealing with the people who were supposed to give her training for public appearances.

    Lord Mountbatten's actual idea was to fix Charles up with his 2d cousin, who is by all appearances a sensible person. Everyone was on board with the idea but the 2d cousin in question, who had no interest in being subject to that much public attention. Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.

    In a sane world, Sinn Fein’s political leadership, the men who likely ordered Mountbatten’s death, would have been taken out in retaliation. But that’s modern Britain’s political leadership for you.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Johann Ricke

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that. And as a proud naval officer and advocate of empire, I'm sure he had no fear of being killed. Perhaps he would have found the idea glorious. What's sad was the other casualties, particularly his grandson and an unrelated boy from Enniskillen.

    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.

    I'm sure eventually Ireland will be united as a republic. I can't imagine Northern Ireland being part of the kingdom in 50 years. Most British people couldn't care less about NI. In the end, it doesn't matter much because the Irish are willingly just becoming another outpost of GloboHomo.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

  93. @Jmaie
    @Rob McX


    Is there anybody insane enough to think vaccine donations that increase the number of Africans would be a good idea?
     
    The developed world already has stuff. Africans don't have as much stuff. If I were in the business of selling stuff, I'd want more Africans.

    Replies: @bomag

    If I were in the business of selling stuff, I’d want more Africans.

    A) Reminds us of the Battle of Our Age: toilet paper sales vs. bookstores. Toilet paper salesmen are winning at the moment, but long term could be grim.

    B) Do Africans earn enough to buy stuff? We seem to be in an age where money magically appears to subsidize them, but can this go on forever?

  94. @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    Mountbatten was killed before Diana came on the scene.
     
    In a sane world, Sinn Fein's political leadership, the men who likely ordered Mountbatten's death, would have been taken out in retaliation. But that's modern Britain's political leadership for you.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that. And as a proud naval officer and advocate of empire, I’m sure he had no fear of being killed. Perhaps he would have found the idea glorious. What’s sad was the other casualties, particularly his grandson and an unrelated boy from Enniskillen.

    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.

    I’m sure eventually Ireland will be united as a republic. I can’t imagine Northern Ireland being part of the kingdom in 50 years. Most British people couldn’t care less about NI. In the end, it doesn’t matter much because the Irish are willingly just becoming another outpost of GloboHomo.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @AndrewR


    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.
     
    Thatcher was the so-called Iron Lady. Compared to luminaries like Edward I, who expelled the Jews to zero out his debt, and slaughtered the Scots or Richard I, who launched an armed revolt against his father and traveled thousands of miles away to the Holy Land with a tiny force to fight and beat the Saracens, she's the Marshmallow Lady. Thatcher almost gave up the Falklands* after a couple of military reverses and did give up Hong Kong.

    * It was Thatcher's budget cuts that tempted General Galtieri in the first place, so it's of a piece with the general gormlessness of the Tories in the post-war era.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that.

    It was nothing of the kind outside your imagination. And, no, he didn't 'know that' or he wouldn't have had his grandsons with him.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  95. @The Alarmist
    @AndrewR


    Forced to marry a young girl he didn’t love, then forced to wait until 72 and counting to be in the limelight.
     
    Blame that and many other misfortunes of the Empire / Commonwealth on Louis Mountbatten. If Mountbatten hadn’t insisted Charles take a virgin bride, Charles would have gone for Camilla in the first place, and the Windsor familynmight have been spared a lot of grief.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    It could have worked out fine if Charles had been nicer to Diana and let her take her own lovers after a few kids were born. Of course, Diana wasn’t the most psychologically stable person either. I can’t even imagine what would drive someone to bulemia. Just get drunk like a normal person.

  96. @AndrewR
    @Johann Ricke

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that. And as a proud naval officer and advocate of empire, I'm sure he had no fear of being killed. Perhaps he would have found the idea glorious. What's sad was the other casualties, particularly his grandson and an unrelated boy from Enniskillen.

    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.

    I'm sure eventually Ireland will be united as a republic. I can't imagine Northern Ireland being part of the kingdom in 50 years. Most British people couldn't care less about NI. In the end, it doesn't matter much because the Irish are willingly just becoming another outpost of GloboHomo.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.

    Thatcher was the so-called Iron Lady. Compared to luminaries like Edward I, who expelled the Jews to zero out his debt, and slaughtered the Scots or Richard I, who launched an armed revolt against his father and traveled thousands of miles away to the Holy Land with a tiny force to fight and beat the Saracens, she’s the Marshmallow Lady. Thatcher almost gave up the Falklands* after a couple of military reverses and did give up Hong Kong.

    * It was Thatcher’s budget cuts that tempted General Galtieri in the first place, so it’s of a piece with the general gormlessness of the Tories in the post-war era.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Johann Ricke

    Perhaps they gave up HK too soon but I think it was obvious by the 1980s that the UK would not have been able to keep HK out of Chinese control forever.

  97. @Johann Ricke
    @AndrewR


    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.
     
    Thatcher was the so-called Iron Lady. Compared to luminaries like Edward I, who expelled the Jews to zero out his debt, and slaughtered the Scots or Richard I, who launched an armed revolt against his father and traveled thousands of miles away to the Holy Land with a tiny force to fight and beat the Saracens, she's the Marshmallow Lady. Thatcher almost gave up the Falklands* after a couple of military reverses and did give up Hong Kong.

    * It was Thatcher's budget cuts that tempted General Galtieri in the first place, so it's of a piece with the general gormlessness of the Tories in the post-war era.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Perhaps they gave up HK too soon but I think it was obvious by the 1980s that the UK would not have been able to keep HK out of Chinese control forever.

  98. @AndrewR
    @Johann Ricke

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that. And as a proud naval officer and advocate of empire, I'm sure he had no fear of being killed. Perhaps he would have found the idea glorious. What's sad was the other casualties, particularly his grandson and an unrelated boy from Enniskillen.

    Perhaps fear of the conflict coming to England kept the government from committing political assassinations in Ireland. But of course it came to England anyway with the Brighton bombing, which killed several people and almost killed Thatcher.

    I'm sure eventually Ireland will be united as a republic. I can't imagine Northern Ireland being part of the kingdom in 50 years. Most British people couldn't care less about NI. In the end, it doesn't matter much because the Irish are willingly just becoming another outpost of GloboHomo.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that.

    It was nothing of the kind outside your imagination. And, no, he didn’t ‘know that’ or he wouldn’t have had his grandsons with him.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Art Deco

    You think he didn't know about the IRA? Jesus you're a moron.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  99. @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    Well, vacationing in the republic was a very provocative action, and he knew that.

    It was nothing of the kind outside your imagination. And, no, he didn't 'know that' or he wouldn't have had his grandsons with him.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    You think he didn’t know about the IRA? Jesus you’re a moron.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    You think he didn’t know about the IRA? Jesus you’re a moron.

    You think the IRA is as active in small towns in the Republic as it is in West Belfast? If he'd behaved as you insist he had to behave, he'd have never vacationed anywhere in the British Isles.


    And, no, that's not what you meant by provocative, asshole.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  100. Die at 75? I could see if he wanted to die before reaching 100, but why want to die at 75?

  101. @AndrewR
    @Art Deco

    You think he didn't know about the IRA? Jesus you're a moron.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You think he didn’t know about the IRA? Jesus you’re a moron.

    You think the IRA is as active in small towns in the Republic as it is in West Belfast? If he’d behaved as you insist he had to behave, he’d have never vacationed anywhere in the British Isles.

    And, no, that’s not what you meant by provocative, asshole.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Art Deco

    Lol. Look, bud. I'm not an expert on northwestern Ireland in 1978, but it clearly doesn't take a genius in Irish politics and history to think "gee, maybe senior members of the British royal family and British government shouldn't vacation in the Republic of Ireland ten miles from the border in 1978." If you can correct me then I'm sure you would be educating everyone who reads this.

  102. @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    You think he didn’t know about the IRA? Jesus you’re a moron.

    You think the IRA is as active in small towns in the Republic as it is in West Belfast? If he'd behaved as you insist he had to behave, he'd have never vacationed anywhere in the British Isles.


    And, no, that's not what you meant by provocative, asshole.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Lol. Look, bud. I’m not an expert on northwestern Ireland in 1978, but it clearly doesn’t take a genius in Irish politics and history to think “gee, maybe senior members of the British royal family and British government shouldn’t vacation in the Republic of Ireland ten miles from the border in 1978.” If you can correct me then I’m sure you would be educating everyone who reads this.

  103. @Dumbo
    Why are so many psychos involved in "bioethics"?
    Left to his own designs, or in a system like Soviet Russia, this guy would be a mass murderer.

    But in this case, I don't mind the vaccine being distributed first to Chadian Chads, African-Americans, Homosexuals and Jews. Try your own medicine. I'd rather take my chances with a disease that kills less than 1% of the infected (the same cannot be said of many vaccines).

    Replies: @Libre

    As they say
    Ethics is to bioethics as intelligence is to military intelligence…

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