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From ABC 7 News in San Francisco:

Experts caution use of ‘looting’ in describing rash of Bay Area smash and grabs

By Julian Glover
Monday, November 22, 2021 6:43PM

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — Bay Area police departments have called what happened at various retail stores this weekend “looting.”

We saw similar crimes happen in the wake of the George Floyd protests, but are the past weekend’s crimes truly considered looting?

Race and Social Justice Reporter Julian Glover is here to give us some context of looting.

“As the Bay Area grapples with a wave of seemingly organized smash and grab robberies this weekend, policing and journalism analysts are cautioning against the use of the term looting,” Julian says.

… “We are talking about two incidents, we’re not going to call this looting. This is organized robbery. That’s what it is,” said Sergeant Christian Camarillo, public information officer for San Jose Police.

Camarillo was referring to the \$40,000 in merchandise stolen from Lululemon in Santana Row Saturday.

Similar crimes hit Hayward and Walnut Creek this weekend with waves of suspects rushing stores leading to major losses.

But according to the California Penal Code, what we saw was not looting.

The penal code defines looting as “theft or burglary…during a ‘state of emergency’, ‘local emergency’, or ‘evacuation order’ resulting from an earthquake, fire, flood, riot or other natural or manmade disaster.”

To some, the distinction may be small, but Lorenzo Boyd, PhD, Professor of Criminal Justice & Community Policing at the University of New Haven, and a retired veteran police officer, emphasized that words matter.

“Looting is a term that we typically use when people of color or urban dwellers are doing something. We tend not to use that term for other people when they do the exact same thing,” said Boyd.

To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave.

But we do know there was no local emergency declared in the Bay Area cities that experienced smash and grabs this weekend.

However, the crimes did follow the contentious verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial Friday.

 
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  1. Currahee says:

    Hmm, okay:

    plunder
    pillage
    ransack
    sack
    raid
    rifle
    rob
    burgle

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  2. “It’s an infringement on your constitutional rights. It’s outrageous, egregious, preposterous.”

    – Jackie Chiles, Esquire

    • LOL: Trelane, Ben tillman
  3. JimDandy says:

    Most of the looting on Chicago’s Magnificent Mile was, to some extent, organized theft.

    If pressed, what kinds of examples would this guy give of “other people” doing the same thing?

    “Looting is a term that we typically use when people of color or urban dwellers are doing something. We tend not to use that term for other people when they do the exact same thing,” said Boyd.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think it’s important that Black! public intellectuals and Black! academics be given a platform. I just think it’s problematic to label mentally-retarded people “Intellectuals” or “Professors”…

    Now I feel bad. Maybe mentally-retarded people have just as much right to be intellectuals or academics as people with high IQs. It just seems weird to me, you know? A totally-retarded professor? Maybe I’m just too set in my ways. Maybe I simply fear change. But a public intellectual who is literally retarded just seems… I don’t know… never mind.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Charles
  4. I caution against the use of the word “experts” when describing bleating morons.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • LOL: Charles
  5. Edmund says:

    Oh, whites are called “looters”, alright.

    And we seem to be the only ones described as “hooligans”.

    The word “hooligan” must stop being weaponized against POP (People of Pallor).

    https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/looting-breaks-out-as-riots-intensify-in-vancouver-1.657730

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
  6. To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave.

    That’s only due to wilful ignorance. Twitter knows.

  7. OFF TOPIC:

    Hispano-American Colby Lopez brazenly attacked in Brooklyn, New York.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AndrewR
    , @Luzzatto
  8. But according to the California Penal Code, what we saw was not looting.

    The penal code defines looting as “theft or burglary…during a ‘state of emergency’, ‘local emergency’, or ‘evacuation order’ resulting from an earthquake, fire, flood, riot or other natural or manmade disaster.”

    I disagree.

    California is a manmade disaster.

  9. Muggles says:

    So when large organized groups of blacks do this (Blacks!) it isn’t looting.

    Got it.

    Isn’t that already in the AP Style Guide?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  10. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    The optics of his are bad and getting worse. The first time one of these sprees turns into a shooting event with mass casualties, it graduates from advanced shoplifting to armed robbery.
    The optics of Louis Vuitton and similar luxury goods providers only adds to the sense of disgust over this. Not noticing is impossible.

  11. Escher says:

    To some, the distinction may be small, but Lorenzo Boyd, PhD, Professor of Criminal Justice & Community Policing at the University of New Haven, and a retired veteran police officer, emphasized that words matter.

    The name “Lorenzo” and the use of title PhD give a clue to the ethnicity and the towering intellect of this Professor.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  12. Rob says:

    It occurs to me that non-blacks will have more interactions with blacks when they are, just to pick a number, 5% versus 40% black.

    At 40% black chances are they are confined to a ghetto, which may be most of the city or the whole city if whites have been ethnically cleansed. At 5%, there is a lot of “surface area” to the black areas per black. Just like a small sphere has more surface area per unit volume. At 5%, blacks have less territory that is theirs, so they diffuse into the rest of the city. They see that other people have nicer things than they do, provoking envy. There may not even be a ghetto, just heavily black buildings and blocks. At 5% they have not ruined the city, so there are still jewelry shops to get robbed.

    It would not surprise me a bit if no one is robbing jewelry stores with wares displayed in the window in Detroit. Not to mention, blacks find other races soft, so there are probably more muggings in the 5% black city.

    Not to mention liberals can be delusional at 5%, at 40 they have fled the city.

    Tl;dr you are likely better of in 40% metro area than a 5% black one, because in the 40% one, accommodations have been made.

  13. “To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave.”

    I often think we’ve bottomed out, and then articles like this.

    No, the bottom is still quite a ways off… much ruin in a nation.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
  14. Anon[899] • Disclaimer says:

    “Looting is a term that we typically use when people of color or urban dwellers are doing something. We tend not to use that term for other people when they do the exact same thing,” said Boyd.

    https://www.newhaven.edu/faculty-staff-profiles/lorenzo-boyd.php

    … other people when they do the exact same thing

    Give an example, Lorenzo of whites doing “the exact same thing.” Maybe you’re thinking of something like this?:

    This looting by wealthy whites in the financial community has been going on for decades.

  15. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Personally, I would call it ‘undocumented shopping’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. I console myself with the image of this article being written by Julian Glover the British actor who played a squiggly green one eyed alien named Scaroth disguised as an Italian in the greatest of all Dr Who episodes, the Douglas Adams penned City of Death. (He was also a doomed AT AT commander in Empire Strikes Baxk and a Russian priest in the St Petersburg riots in Nicholas and Alexandra.)

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    , @Forbes
    , @magilla
  17. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course, shops impose ‘borders’ and discriminate against humans on the basis of arbitrary documentation. No shopper is illegal, so in the spirit of ‘building bridges and not walls’, the dehumanisation of making a distinction between shoppers with the right documentation and those without must be abolished.

    • Thanks: Polistra, HammerJack
  18. Tiny Duck says:

    Most crime is committed by white men

    The mainstream media refuses to report this in an accurate matter so people are confused

    We need more nuance when discussing these matters.

  19. Affirmative acquisition.

    • Thanks: Cortes, Rob McX
    • LOL: Voltarde
    • Replies: @mc23
  20. J.Ross says:

    Cf the BLM terrorist’s Waukesha massacre, memory holed as a “car crash.”
    —–
    OT
    Biden ends American energy independence, then humiliates us on the world stage (further) by begging strangers who are under no obligation to do what he babbles about with their oil, and now he has decided that we should find out how fast we can burn up our strategic fuel reserve. No problem. Our jets and ships are all electric now anyway, right? Is there any way Biden has not acted as a Chinese agent?

  21. Jmaie says:

    To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave.

    It is true, the folks arrested and/or seen on video are only a small percentage of those involved. Just because 100% of those arrested/video’d may belong to a particular socially constructed random population sample doesn’t infer anything about the entire cohort.

    Plus, they aren’t being described as “teens.”

  22. To have 80 people involved in this precise, military-style thieving operation would have required a certain amount of organization, perhaps through some kind of social media or Facebook group or Whatsapp list.

    This is like the Symbionese liberation army redux or something out of a James Bond movie.

    There has to be a leader, an organizer, perhaps somebody who is already known to law enforcement.

    No doubt more will come out in the future, as somebody is bound to snitch in exchange for a plea bargain and a few stitches.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @James Forrestal
  23. @Rob

    It occurs to me that non-blacks will have more interactions with blacks when they are, just to pick a number, 5% versus 40% black.

    At 40% black chances are they are confined to a ghetto, which may be most of the city or the whole city if whites have been ethnically cleansed. At 5%, there is a lot of “surface area” to the black areas per black. Just like a small sphere has more surface area per unit volume. At 5%, blacks have less territory that is theirs, so they diffuse into the rest of the city. They see that other people have nicer things than they do, provoking envy. There may not even be a ghetto, just heavily black buildings and blocks. At 5% they have not ruined the city, so there are still jewelry shops to get robbed.

    I think it’s different than this – it’s like the few black kids at an elite private school: they’re carefully selected to be the best behaved, intelligent, and personable blacks available. So any blacks in a high rent part of San Francisco are probably well heeled and made it through a gauntlet of selective schools and are likable and liked by their neighbors. They are the kind of blacks that would make you think “gee, I don’t see what everyone is all upset about – diversity is just wonderful!”

    My guess is that the well planned smash and grab operation may be from Oakland or some other place where blacks were pushed during gentrification caused by the Tech industry.

    On the scale of things this bothers me less than wanton destruction – there is at least some kind of intelligible purpose to stealing valuable merchandise without hurting anyone (so far) as opposed to burning and breaking with incidental looting.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @PedroAstra
  24. How dare you say the brothas* were looting! They were engaged in an organized smash and grab, just like the white man!


    *Which you totally can’t prove they were!

  25. In a report written by Julian Glover, there are two references to the reporter himself: [1] “Race and Social Justice Reporter Julian Glover is here to give us some context of looting.”, and [2] ““…,” Julian says.” Are most social justice reporters illeists (those who refer to themselves in the third person)? Well, at least Julian is on a first-name basis with himself.

  26. The penal code defines looting as “theft or burglary…during a ‘state of emergency’, ‘local emergency’, or ‘evacuation order’ resulting from an earthquake, fire, flood, riot or other natural or manmade disaster.”

    Didn’t California just extend the COVID State of Emergency again? Whether you think COVID is natural or manmade, it seems like what is happening does, in fact, meet the specific definition in the state penal code.

  27. Rob McX says:

    The penal code defines looting as “theft or burglary…during a ‘state of emergency’, ‘local emergency’, or ‘evacuation order’ resulting from an earthquake, fire, flood, riot or other natural or manmade disaster.”

    So, with a wave of their semantic wand, they’ve erased all the looting of the Racial Reckoning from history. No officially declared emergency, no looting.

    • Replies: @PseudoNhymm
    , @Ben tillman
  28. CTD says:

    I actually agree with them. Looting is a crime of opportunity – taking advantage of a situation. The smash-and-grabbers, like Napoleon, are creating their own situations.

    The organized nature also should make it easy for the police to wrap things up. Maintaining opsec with dozens of thieves is a fool’s errand.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
  29. Sergeant Christian Camarillo, public information officer for San Jose Police.

    How many PIOs (disinformers) does the government spend tax dollars on? It seems like every agency has one. According to the taxpayers’ friends over at TransparentCA, in 2020, Sgt. Camarillo took home a total compensation package worth \$384K

    When are the organized robbers going to up their game to Lamborghini dealerships and bank vaults? For that matter, cops seem to respond less slowly to bank robberies compared to other sorts of grand theft. Do bank alarms route directly to a dispatcher, while luxury goods shops have to wait on-hold @9-1-1? The cops show-up at schools notoriously in time to chalk.

    [ ] privilege.

    A social justice reporter and a profster of community policing. Really.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
  30. Jack D says:

    I prefer the term “undocumented shopping”.

  31. OFF TOPIC – NEWS FLASH — BREAKING !!!!!

    Honoring Emmett Till’s mother on her 100th birthday, Medill professor announces new institute

    Institute aims to honor legacy by continuing her educational activism

    November 22, 2021 | Erin Karter
    EVANSTON, Ill. — November 23 marks the 100th birthday of Mamie Till-Mobley, the mother of Emmett Till, the 14-year-old Chicago boy who was brutally lynched in the Mississippi Delta in 1955. Her decision to “let the world see” the mutilated remains of her son in Jet magazine and in an open-casket funeral is credited as the catalyst for the modern civil rights movement.

    [MORE]

    To preserve the memory and historical significance of the life and death of Till and the legacy of his mother, Northwestern University professor Christopher Benson, with surviving members of the Till family, has announced the creation of the Emmett Till and Mamie Till-Mobley Institute, which includes several relatives and friends of the Till family on its board of directors.

    “Mamie Till-Mobley opened that casket and opened our eyes,” said Northwestern University professor Christopher Benson. “She wand to make sure we could never turn away again from our responsibility for racial reconciliation.”

    To preserve the memory and historical significance of the life and death of Till and the legacy of his mother, Benson, with surviving members of the Till family, has announced the creation of the Emmett Till and Mamie Till-Mobley Institute.

    “If she were alive today, Mother Mobley would see something quite familiar in the racial violence that comes from a fear of change,” said Benson, professor in the Medill School of Journalism, Media, Integrated Marketing Communications and co-author of Till-Mobley’s autobiography “Death of Innocence: The Story of the Hate Crime That Changed America.”

    The overall focus is youth-oriented programs that contribute to a deeper understanding of the social issues confronting the nation to encourage enlightened discourse and participation in a multicultural democracy.

    “Mother Mobley would want us to explore new ways to reach one another, to teach one another,” Benson said.

    Among the projects already in motion as part of a year-long commemoration of Mamie Till-Mobley and Emmett include:

    Participation as consultants in a six-part limited ABC-TV series, “Women of the Movement,” based on the Mamie Till-Mobley story, along with a three-part companion ABC documentary on the history and significance of the Emmett Till story. The production, which is scheduled to air beginning on Jan. 6, 2022, acquired the television rights to Till-Mobley’s autobiography. Among the executive producers are entertainers Jay-Z and Will Smith. The showrunner is Marrisa Jo Cerar, also of “The Handmaid’s Tale”.
    The new institute has formed a collaborative partnership with the Boston-based Facing History and Ourselves in association with Mississippi’s William Winter Institute for Racial Reconciliation to develop a high school curriculum unit based on the Emmett Till story and its significance.
    Benson, the Rev. Wheeler Parker, Jr., Emmett’s cousin and best friend, Dr. Marvel Parker and Dave Tell, professor of communications studies, University of Kansas, are among those serving as advisors in the development of a traveling exhibition designed by the Children’s Museum of Indianapolis. Professor Tell is the creator of the Emmett Till Memory Project and telephone app.
    Continued discussions with the National Parks Conservancy on the establishment of a non-contiguous national park in the Mississippi Delta and on Chicago’s South Side, in honor of Mamie Till-Mobley and Emmett Till.
    Continued development of a telephone app guiding users through historic sites in the Mississippi Delta and Chicago’s South Side, with narrative on the history of the Emmett Till lynching and aftermath
    The design and erection of a national monument in honor of Emmett Till
    A Congressional Gold Medal honoring Mamie Till-Mobley and Emmett Till (a bill has been introduced by New Jersey Senator Cory Booker).
    The Emmett Till and Mamie Till-Mobley Institute Management and Board of Directors include:

    Marvel Parker, executive director (member, board of trustees, Summit, Illinois, wife of the Rev. Wheeler Parker, Jr., cousin, best friend of Emmett Till, and a survivor of the night of terror when Emmett was taken.

    Christopher Benson, president (associate professor, Medill School of Journalism, Media Integrated Marketing Communications; co-author with Mamie Till-Mobley, “Death of Innocence: The Story of the Hate Crime That Changed America,” Random House, 2003)

    Ollie Gordon, vice president (educator; cousin of Emmett Till; goddaughter of Mamie Till-Mobley)

    Patrick Weems, treasurer (executive director, Emmett Till Interpretive Center, Summit, Mississippi)

    Joseph Olchefske, secretary (former superintendent of public schools, Seattle, Washington)

    Mike Small (educator, longtime friend of Mamie Till-Mobley)

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  32. To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave.

    This is stupidity. We know the race of at least 80% and it’s probably 100.0.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  33. tyrone says:

    I’m SO glad they cleared that up ,I was getting worried …….since the perps are black we don’t want anyone to get the right idea.

  34. Alden says:

    I’m sure the loot is sold in some kind of ghetto thieves market. In San Francisco it’s cars along Silver AV Street goes through black neighborhoods Bayview and even worse the old Hunters Point projects

    Bus drivers call it the Silver av suicide route. Because the blacks sometimes board the buses and rob the passengers. But not the drivers. Because the drives have a little locked compartment to keep their wallets in. Still, it’s a relief to get back to the bus parking lot at end of shift.

    Or why blacks ruin every possible facet of life. Blacks are both poor people and city people. People most likely to use public transit. So they ruin it for themselves.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    , @Kronos
  35. You can have a functional society or you can have orcs.

    NEVER BOTH.

  36. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You are assuming there will be any kind of investigation. As what would happen in a civilized country. Like Ecuador. America is not a civilized country.

    There are no investigations after these swarm looting s.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  37. huisache says:

    I agree with the distinction being made; looting is when there is a mob for some reason and some of the participants decide to go shopping. This was robbery. A distinction with a difference, however slight it may seem.

  38. @Jack D

    So what do you call the actions of President Biden’s nominee for Comptroller of the Currency, as a PhD student at University of Wisconsin-Madison having boosted several hundred dollars worth of swag from the T J Maxx when it was at the now defunct Westgate Mall.

    Not even sad.

    Just pathetic.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  39. I think this is one of the rare times when The Powers That Be have a point.
    There are a few distinguishable categories.
    Category 1 is when disorder has broken out, and there’s opportunistic looting of a target or a CVS or whatever.
    Category 2 is when disorder has broken out and semi-organized groups take advantage of the disorder to launch commando raids. That’s what happened to 5th avenue in New York last summer and that’s what seems to be happening here. Although the last few days, there wasn’t any particular disorder that had broken out.
    Category 3 is when disorder has broken out, and violent lunatics flock to the area and start trying to burn things down. That would be Kenosha.
    .
    Category 1 and 2 can probably shade into each other, but I think one bright red line is whether or not the people that stole things took vehicles to get to the store to steal it.

    There’s two separate mentalities and processes at work. Smashing a window at Target is motivated by the desire to just smash shit. Once the doors to the target are gone, you find usually different people motivated by the ability to shoplift.

  40. @Discordiax

    You need a category for when the jurisdiction is governed by a government including a prosecutor who is not interesting in stopping crime or punishing criminals, especially in regard to property crimes but rather leveling society by some sort of esoteric equity standard.

    Because this kind of brazen open air organized crime is something likely only when the stakes are made low enough.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  41. I agree that “organized robbery” puts blacks in a better light than “looting”. “Organized” implies intelligence, while any dumb thug can loot. So see, these were intelligent thugs!

  42. @Jack D

    I prefer the term “undocumented shopping”.

    During the summer of George didn’t some sort of 80 IQ rabble-rouser in Chicago declare that this was a form of ad hoc reparations?

  43. @Rob McX

    So, with a wave of their semantic wand,

    I think you meant “semitic”

  44. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting debate over antics with semantics.

    Anyway, more feral negroes just gang-raped another Nordstrom’s here in Los Angeles:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/23/us/los-angeles-the-grove-nordstrom-burglary/index.html

    As things are going, there’s not a chance on earth I’d take my kids shopping at the Grove. Feral negroes have essentially turned the place into a bizarrely high-end third world shithole. I’m not about to risk being surrounded by negroes out in the parking lot, and especially in front of Nordstroms.

  45. pyrrhus says:

    I wonder how many PC terms there are for “genocide.” Quite a lot, I think…

  46. Looty And The Blowfish

    Looty Vuitton

    Das Loot

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
  47. Off topic…not really

    What?…no post about what just happened in Charlottesville Steve….Jew Power on full display….

  48. Via today’s Business Guardian

    “Shares in Best Buy have tumbled by 17% in morning trading.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/best-buy-ceo-says-rising-theft-is-hitting-profits-could-hurt-employee-retention.html

    Best Buy CEO Corie Barry said Tuesday that rising theft is hitting the company’s profits and could hurt employee retention at a time when the labor market is tight, especially in the retail industry.

    She said the retailer has seen a noticeable jump in organized crime, with people coming to stores to steal consumer electronics — and in some cases, bringing a weapon such as a gun or a crowbar. She said the company will prioritize the safety of customers and employees, even if that means criminals are running out the door with thousands of dollars of merchandise.

    “These are traumatic experiences, and they are happening more and more across the country,” she said on CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street.”

    Other retailers, including Kroger, CVS Health and Walgreens Boots Alliance, have also spoken about an increase in theft. Walgreens said it is even closing certain stores because of it.

    To fight organized crime, Best Buy is locking up some of its merchandise, hiring security guards in certain locations and working with retail trade groups to look for solutions, Barry said on an earnings call.

    She said San Francisco and other parts of California have been “hot spots” for the crimes but that there are problematic pockets across the country. In some cases, she said, more than a dozen people rush in a store and run out with goods. In other cases, it’s just a couple of people.

    In the past week, two Nordstrom stores in California have been targeted by groups of looters in these types of “smash-and-grab” robberies.

    Barry said she’s not sure why the crimes have increased but they are hard to stop. The retailer discourages its employees from confronting the thieves and in some cases, law enforcement prioritizes other kinds of crimes.

  49. It’s beginning to loot a lot like Christmas.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  50. usNthem says:

    The best thing about this is all of these companies are undoubtedly “black looting matters” butt lickers, so getting ripped off by the apes they kowtow to is fabulous.

    • Agree: fish, JMcG, Calvin Hobbes, AndrewR
  51. Farenheit says:

    So we can’t refer to it as a “three digit IQ chimp out?”

  52. Kronos says:

    David Cole has been on a roll these last few years documenting how intentional “soft on crime” measures have been passed in California by the likes of Soros. Hell, even Newt Gingrich is trying to help Soros in this regard!

    https://www.takimag.com/article/something-worse-than-voter-fraud/

    It’s a very interesting article. I’m guessing Gingrich is planning for a tough on crime rebound in the next few years. That eventually there will be light at the end of the BLM tunnel. Now, it’s my understanding that originally the GOPs “law and order” and “tough on crime” legislation from the 1980s made them highly popular. Reagan even signed the 1986 gun ban partially to appeal to urban areas. It seemed impossible for Democrats to reign in black misbehavior and some GOP victories in the cities seemed plausible. But the Clinton Democrats found a method to keep black votes while mass incarcerating blacks. Is it possible for the Dems to ever return to tough on crime or was it just a fluke?

    • Replies: @TWS
  53. CCZ says:
    @Jack D

    Neither robbers nor looters, they are “reparations recovery agents”!!!!

    • LOL: usNthem
  54. Jon says:

    \$40,000 in merchandise stolen from Lululemon

    Great, that’s just what we need – a decade of seeing “babby mommas” strutting around town in their their skin-tight Wunder Trainers.

    • Agree: Alden
  55. The AP Stylebook (the “bible” of narrative promotion) has long since banned the use of the word “riot” to describe mass destruction, arson, and gang assaults carried out by BLM and antifa terrorists, so the injunction against “looting” is hardly a surprise:

    Oh, and what’s this? Looks like the AP has proscribed “looting” as well, at least when used to describe mass undocumented shopping/ destruction by officially-sanctioned anti-White militias. AP narrative promoter Kimberlee Kruesi made this clear right at the very beginning of the BLM/ antifa riots:

    I don’t see that quote in the 2019 edition of the AP Stylebook, so presumably AP imposed the “looting” prohibition in late 2019/ early 2020, while setting up the narrative for the BLM/ antifa riots.

    Mr. Glover is just a news reader for a local station in San Francisco. He didn’t come up with this diktat on his own– he’s merely parroting an existing mandate from far more important authorities on how to shape the desired narrative.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  56. @Rob McX

    I think theft during BLM/Antifa riots qualifies as looting, but technically the theft that is the subject of this article does not. I don’t think calling it “organized robbery”, as the police officer did, is euphemistic at all.

    • Agree: Dr. Krieger
  57. ‘…To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave…’

    Lol.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  58. This just in . . . last night the Nordstrom in The Grove (Los Angeles) got the same “smash and grab” treatment by 20 people wielding sledgehammers. They got three suspects (the one guy visible is black). Local stations are using “looters,” “robbers” and “smash and grab” interchangeably.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  59. Who are these looting “others” of whom you speak?

  60. @James Forrestal

    To me, “looting” doesn’t sound like the worst thing possible. Basically a crime of opportunity or taking stuff when no one is around to protect it. “Smash and Grab” or “robbery” seem more violent and equally black.

    • Agree: Dr. Krieger
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  61. Paul Rise says:

    Could seemingly excessive precision here assist prosecutions of the worst offenders and provide far stricter punishments (removal from society) than the more general term?

    For example, hearing before that 20 years before someone was arrested as a looter, vs “robbery. ”

    Some of these gangs are obviously targeting certain retailers and products. Have larger criminal organizations sponsored them?

    Organization is easier to prosecute under RICO.

  62. Paul Rise says:
    @huisache

    There can be no logical or reasonable sympathy for someone who exploits the sacred BLM cause for this type of personal gain, under the mainstream media’s own rules. So these terms are actually how they will mobilize society against the undoubtedly larger criminal organizations who sponsored this.

    Which will probably be Russian gangs …

  63. SafeNow says:

    If it turns out that robbers commuting to outlying areas is a pattern, government reimbursement will be implemented. They can’t very well have stores closing in outlying areas due to theft losses. The procedure will be that the store videos the robbery, fills-in a form detailing the theft, and then submits the evidence to the city. The city pays (eventually), and the feds reimburse the city. Social peace at any price is the lesson of the past 50 years.

  64. OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/chinese-birthrate-falls-to-lowest-since-1978

    “What the Chinese government is doing has already been done by the Japanese government, and the former is not as rich as the latter,” said Yi Fuxian, a senior scientist in obstetrics and gynaecology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “Japan can provide free healthcare and education, but China can’t.”

    Yi, the author of Big Country With an Empty Nest, said there were many social and societal influences on China’s low birthrate, and interventionist policies on reproduction had also shaped public sentiment.

    “Most people just want one child, as was promoted by the government, and they have become used to having just one child. They don’t want a second or third despite the policy changes,” Yi said.

    “For the foreseeable future the Chinese government can’t do much, because Japan has done everything it can and must consider its society and economics to make fundamental changes. The difficulty of this is even higher than the reform and opening up in 1979. I don’t know if the Chinese government has such boldness.”

    Yao Meixiong, a demographics expert and adjunct professor at Huaqiao University’s school of economics and finance, told the local outlet Jiemian that the low levels of desire to have children was a wake-up call for China’s development.

    “The response to the population crisis is in a race against time, and measures to encourage childbirth must be expedited,” Yao said.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Rob
  65. Tex says:

    Looting=stealing

    This isn’t hard. The bafflegarb about “organized robbery” (a true enough description) is meant to avoid any suggestion that black bodied people might be involved, or indeed prone to looting stuff in an organized or spontaneous matter.

    The idea that looting is only applied to rioting blacks is of course double-talk to the highest level. I’m pretty sure everyone from Max Keiser to the guy on the corner has applied it to what bankers, hedge fund managers, money traders, etc. do on a regular basis. Vikings are a bit scarce on the ground these days, so the typical in-person looter of the 21st century is a bit on the dusky side.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  66. David says:

    Webster’s II says looting is “to plunder or sack” a conquered city or people, also “rob esp. by corruption.” It also mentions that “loot” is the Scottish past tense of LET.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  67. Mike Tre says:
    @Jack D

    Soon you’ll be be able return those Air Jordan’s you stole because they were the wrong size, and get a full refund.

  68. Whiskey says: • Website

    Gavin Newsom appeared on TV yesterday to shout angrily about the gang of looters robbing Nordstroms and other high end places. But that’s all he did. There are no removing no-cash bail and reinstating cash bail requirements. There is no unleashing of the cops. No massive funding for cops. Indeed on the same day a bunch of protestors aided by members of the LA City Council protested the LAPD not decreasing their budget.

    Newsom and other pols will appear on TV. But they won’t actually do anything because they can’t — the Party is too dependent on blacks and blacks as Holy Racial Redeemers of Keepin It Real Dog against beta male Whiteness is just to strong. The media would crucify them if they actually did anything.

    Which means retail is DEAD DEAD DEAD. You can’t have a retail operation if most of the merchandise is just stolen. So pretty much everything will be Amazon only. Great for them, bad for everyone else. And all the retail jobs, etc. Those will all go even faster now.

    Not even Nordstrom, or any of the other high end retailers have enough pull against blacks. Black people run this state, and nation. All of this is permanent, it cannot and will not ever be rolled back. Expect to see that stuff weekly if not daily until there are just no more retail places at all. Black people have the right to street reparations and anyone who disagrees is quite literally Hitler. Or worse.

  69. @huisache

    Right. This was organized robbery. I agreed with the what the cop Camarillo said, but not with what the esteemed Professer Lorenzo Boyd said here:

    “Looting is a term that we typically use when people of color or urban dwellers are doing something. We tend not to use that term for other people when they do the exact same thing,” said Boyd.

    The hell we do! I’ve seen and heard the word “looting” used for all kinds of people, whether it’s about whether to evacuate or not during hurricanes, the SHTF, whatever, even in countries where there are no black people.

    I believe this is a superb example of projection. Professor Boyd has in his own head that it’s always been blacks that are involved in the looting that we’ve seen over the last few years, not particularly associated with natural disaster but more associated with human-made disasters, with a symbiotic relationship with Commie rioters. That doesn’t change the definition of the word.

    These latest incidents are indeed organized robbery, encouraged greatly by the laws that these robbers know make them immune to arrest. Is there any other reason this has happened primarily in California, where there’s that limit of \$950 or so? Is the problem that some of these organized robbers have forgotten to check price tags, so they’ve accidentally taken some stuff worth over a thousand bucks? Well, you people wrote the law. Whaddya’ think was going to happen?

    I think California ought to mandate green price stickers for all items that are worth under that non-arrest-worthy limit. Then, just keep those items in bins in the front of the store. All the decent customers, OF ALL COLORS, RACES, RELIGIONS, ETHNICITIES, SEXUAL PREFERENCES, AND SEXUAL ORGAN POSSESSION, may shop calmly in the back of the store …

    [MORE]
    away from the Dark Green people.

  70. Frankly, the term looting does imply that there is a larger disturbance (riot, power outage, Natural Disaster) that the looters are taking advantage of.

    I think the term robbery is technically and functionally, more appropriate. I think robbery also sounds worse than looting.

    On the other hand, looting is also done by Invaders (Or is that best described as rapine and pillage?). blacks are certainly Invaders. Perhaps we should say they pillaged?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @mc23
  71. @Keith Magnadoodleson

    Douglas Adams died at a health club. I’m still trying to wrap my head around that.

  72. @Jack Armstrong

    Jack, I am all for a HS Emmitt Till curriculum unit to be taught along side a Kitty Genovese/Channon Christian unit.Stay safe.

    • Thanks: magilla
  73. @Alden

    The days of selling stolen goods on the streets out of the trunk of a car are mostly over. These days thieves can sell their stolen goods on Ebay, or many of the other marketplace apps like Offer Up, or Poshmark to name a few.

    • Replies: @Alden
  74. @YetAnotherAnon

    A couple of things…it is well organized because the “shoppers” have get away cars not super market shopping carts. Secondly, they are hitting high end stores but no one believes that these blacks are wearing real Louie V, Gucci or Rolex, A late friend of mine used to travel monthly to NYC, load up on fake Gucci and Louis V and sell the goods at the local flea market. Some of his best customers were Buffalo Bills players.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Possumman
  75. anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    However, the crimes did follow the contentious verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial Friday.

    The article was half way convincing until they threw this last bit in as justification.

  76. prosa123 says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    I think robbery also sounds worse than looting.

    Totally. Looting suggests acts of desperation during desperate times, or at minimum a follow-the-herd mentality on the part of people who otherwise wouldn’t commit criminal acts. It’s still a crime, but maybe not a terrible crime in all circumstances. Robbery suggests predatory crime.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  77. @YetAnotherAnon

    Make it legal to shoot shoplifters and see how quickly the shoplifting stops. Or take a page out of Sharia Law and just chop their hand off. The good thing with that route, is anyone who opposes it is an Islamaphobe.

  78. @Emil Nikola Richard

    This is stupidity. We know the race of at least 80% and it’s probably 100.0.

    You can tell they are Black by the way they move around.

    Maybe other people can’t but I certainly can.

  79. @Whiskey

    Whiskey, NASA is planning a rocket launch to divert an asteroid heading towards Earth.If it fails you know who it will affect the most.

  80. SafeNow says:


    When “argumentative” NBA star Ron Artest found that reputational problems were becoming severe, he legally changed his surname to “World Peace.” Of all the words that matter, one’s name probably matters the most. Biden is now down in the polls, and, just recently, reporters have pressed him to disclose what he discussed with Ji Jinping. So, Joe, maybe it’s time for a name change? It’s hard to “disapprove” of “President World Peace.”

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
  81. These retailers need to get smarter instead of waiting for the government to do anything.

    Put some GPS trackers in a few purses.

    Would probably lead the police to a big after party.

  82. Kronos says:
    @Muggles

    It should be simply titled “The Black Tax.” No further elaboration is needed.

  83. @Buffalo Joe

    A couple of things…it is well organized because the “shoppers” have get away cars not super market shopping carts. Secondly, they are hitting high end stores but no one believes that these blacks are wearing real Louie V, Gucci or Rolex

    Sure most of the stuff will be sold but you really wouldn’t believe how Blacks can be with designer brands.

    A negro can have a dollar to his name but will go to sleep happy on a cot if he has a Rolex on his wrist.

  84. Kronos says:
    @Alden

    If they’re looting Nordstrom, I’d like to pay them for certain merchandise in particular. Do you think that’s possible?

  85. Rob McX says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “The response to the population crisis is in a race against time, and measures to encourage childbirth must be expedited,” Yao said.

    Pigs will fly the day you hear a white public figure saying that.

    • Replies: @Alden
  86. @David

    I’ve only ever seen or heard it used in one Border ballad, mostly a romantic Walter Scott re-imagining.
    “And aye she loot the tears doonfa’
    For Jock o’Hazeldene”
    So Jock rade oot and looted stole something quite valuable from the English lord, with her enthusiastic cooperation.

    • Replies: @LP5
  87. Alden says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    TJ Maxx \$214.00 worth 25 years ago. An entire basic wardrobe several pants and tops, 1 or 2 dresses couple nightgowns 3 packs of socks and under wear. Probably a winter jacket too at the February sales.

    More concerning is that she is a Marxist economist.

  88. Muggles says:

    From Mother Google (after plowing through all of the other references to being fired):

    What does sack mean Rome?

    sack noun. the plundering of a place by an army or mob; usually involves destruction and slaughter. “the sack of Rome” dismissal, dismission, discharge, firing, liberation, release, sack, sacking verb.,

    So despite Google’s confused effort to Memory Hole this, “sacking” of Nordstrom Department Store is quite accurate. “Plundering” is another apt word that should be deployed.

    It is funny (re: comments above) that the Narrative mongers bend over backward to avoid “looting” since they dredge up extraneous and obscure legal baggage to claim it isn’t “appropriate.”

    No such punctilious wordsmithing by pundits or Presidents is used when slinging around the sobriquet “white supremacist.” That phrase is never quibbled over or even requires any specific definition before being used.

    Like pornography (formerly) the Narrative spreaders “know it when they see it.”

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @James Forrestal
  89. Alden says:
    @Kronos

    Queen Elizabeth 1 invested in piracy. So did the governments of the various Netherlands countries I don’t know if the French government did. But hordes of French citizens invested in piracy. So did the Turkish government. And it’s territories in MENA

    Every nation in Europe and MENA patrolled the Atlantic between S America and Spain searching for Spanish treasure ships to pirate in those days.

    Sir Walter Raleigh even sailed his pirate ships around the horn and then north along the Pacific almost to Canada hoping to pirate Spanish treasure ships heading from Manila to Panama to unload the treasure for portage across the Isthmus to Porto Bello on the Atlantic side.

    And all those pirates attacked Porto Bello many times to rob the warehoused treasures waiting for the Spanish fleet

    That’s what the Armada was all about. The Spanish lost that battle. But won the war. The English government caved in and signed a treaty England wouldn’t Pirate Spanish ships any more ha ha ha

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Muggles
  90. Alden says:
    @Whiskey

    I agree. Like to add one point. All those stores are part of corporations that donate mega bucks to Democrats and other communist causes. For instance Saks is part of Hudson’s Bay Company.

    So they deserve what they get.

    • Agree: JMcG
  91. D. K. says:
    @Muggles

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  92. mc23 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Affirmative acquisition.

    Thanks. Added to my Crime Think Thesaurus.

  93. @Jonathan Mason

    Organization, you say? Impossible. They were just spontaneous outbreaks of resistance to White supreemist oppression ‘n sheeut — characterized by, uh, emergent appropriation of “reparations.” Claiming that there was some sort of organization behind them is like saying that the media-promoted BLM/ antifa riots were “organized,” when every educated person knows that “antifa” — like “looting” — is merely an idea, not an organization.

    If someone were to point out, say, that here’s a website where the semitic supremacist street gang “antifa” openly plans anti-White terrorist attacks, with the figleaf disclaimer “We do not advocate or promote violence or non-violence. Movements for liberation decide for themselves on what the best strategy is to get and stay free”… that would be rank heresy, thus obviously false:
    https://itsgoingdown.org/?s=direct+action

    Or that this is the criminal defense/ lawfare arm of antifa — they also are directly involved with planning antifa’s riots, assaults on political dissidents, arson attacks, etc.. A certain ethnoreligious group is… massively overrepresented among their membership:
    https://www.nlg.org/legal-support-for-anti-fascist-action/

    Or that this link is to an “after action” report on the ostensibly “anarcho-communist website “crimethinc,” which addresses the terrorist attack on the Third Precinct police station in Minneapolis — an attack which resulted in multiple casualties and the total destruction of the building. Yeah don’t even go there.

    Though that report, compiled by actual looters and arsonists, seems to characterize looting as more than “just an idea.” Variations of the term appear no less than 30x in the report, mostly in the section literally titled Looters, which discusses the role of looting in their overall tactics. The Looters section appears immediately after the part detailing the proper use of lasers against police helicopters, and immediately before the section addressing how to carry out arson attacks (“The decision to burn looted businesses can be seen as tactically intelligent,” etc.). Huh. Seems kinda “problematic” for The Narrative.

    “Crimethinc,” like “Itsgoingdown,” is ostensibly an “anarcho-communist” gang — they claim to be “rebelling” against “the capitalist establishment and, you know, all that kind of stuff.” Oddly enough, neither organization has any difficulty maintaining a Twitter account (https://twitter.com/crimethinc https://twitter.com/igd_news ], or in finding a credit card processor for donations (https://crimethinc.com/support https://itsgoingdown.org/product/one-time-donation/ ].

    Square, the company which Itsgoingdown currently uses as its credit card processor, is notoriously quick to ban customers who engage in even the mildest forms of political dissent/ heresy, such as any group perceived to have supported the Jan 6 peaceful protest in any way whatsoever. But they have no problem at whatsoever with groups that are openly advocating and planning terrorist attacks — as long as those attacks are aimed at the “correct” targets…

    Almost as if these “capitalist oligarchs” not only aren’t particularly concerned about the “threat” posed by these “desperate proletarian rebels” who are working hard to “overthrow the system,” but see them as a useful tool — a necessary part of that system. And it sure is an odd coincidence that these devoted “insurrectionists” always target actual political dissidents for their so-called “counter-demonstrations” [gang assaults/ riots]…

    Incidentally, Itsgoingdown serves a dual function — both organizing so-called “direct action” [a euphemism for pro-regime terrorist attacks], and disseminating pro-antifa propaganda [note that their Twitter handle is ign_news]. The organizing/ advocating violence function often conflicts with the propaganda function, so there’s a second major antifa PR agency which has better optics — Unicorn Riot.

    Of course, antifa already gets massive propaganda support from mainstream narrative promotion agencies — the Sulzberger Blog is even in the habit of promoting antifags as putative fashion icons — but apparently a dedicated PR agency (or two) is helpful as well.

  94. @Hypnotoad666

    Exactly. Excellent point — the editors of the AP Stylebook are entirely concerned with precision of language, and not at all with mandating word choices which promote/ enforce the desired narrative. Clearly, it’s just muh “objective journalism” in action. Why didn’t I think of that?

    lol

  95. What the pandemic didn’t do to brick and mortar retail, theft without consequences will.

    Bezos is laughing in his sleeve. I guess it’s coincidence he just gave \$100 million to the 0bama ‘foundation.’

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
  96. mc23 says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    Pillaging sounds good. It implies semi-organized mobs and it’s redolent with overtones of arbitrary vandalism, destruction and rapine. Best of all it doesn’t have racial overtones. For now.

    • Agree: Dr. Krieger
    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  97. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    Grown men watching WWE professional wrestling. Almost as embarrassing as watching European soccer.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  98. jamie b. says:

    More Wokespeak…

    https://www.ama-assn.org/about/ama-center-health-equity/advancing-health-equity-guide-language-narrative-and-concepts-0

    https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/ama-aamc-equity-guide.pdf

    As an example, instead of saying…

    “Low-income people have the highest level of coronary artery disease in the United States.”

    …it’s recommended that you say…

    “People underpaid and forced into poverty as a result of banking policies, real estate developers gentrifying neighborhoods, and corporations weakening the power of labor movements, among others, have the highest level of coronary artery disease in the United States.”

    Those were actual quotes.

  99. Forbes says:
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    Yes, I thought that name struck a cord. He often plays pompous prigs on Brit TV.

  100. Polistra says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    So any blacks in a high rent part of San Francisco are probably well heeled and made it through a gauntlet of selective schools and are likable and liked by their neighbors. They are the kind of blacks that would make you think “gee, I don’t see what everyone is all upset about – diversity is just wonderful!”

    That would make you think “You know what, BadWhites really need to be put in their place, today if not yesterday. Come to think of it, they need to be disenfranchised tout de suite. Hmm, maybe extermination? That has a nice ring to it, don’t you think?”

  101. Alden says:
    @Rob McX

    And how many White children do you have?

    Unless you have at least 4; don’t tell other White people what to do.

    Don’t you fathers of 0-2 children notice the holier than thou hypocrisy of your fertility obsessions? .

    The Aldens did their part. So did the Alden’s children Do yours or STFU

  102. @Muggles

    No such punctilious wordsmithing by pundits or Presidents is used when slinging around the sobriquet “white supremacist.”

    “White supreemist,” like “r****t,” is simply a pejorative term for a person of indigenous European descent — an anti-White slur. It has no real denotation beyond that. Though some would argue that its real meaning resides in the way that it so obviously reflects semitic projection…

  103. @Whiskey

    Black people have the right to street reparations

    Excellent. Street reparations. Your coinage?

  104. D. K. says:

    How is conspring to clear out an entire store’s merchandise, worth tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, not considered a felony, irrespective of how much any one conspirator steals?

    ***

    CHAPTER 8. Conspiracy [182 – [185.]] ( Chapter 8 enacted 1872. )

    182.
    (a) If two or more persons conspire:
    (1) To commit any crime.
    (2) Falsely and maliciously to indict another for any crime, or to procure another to be charged or arrested for any crime.
    (3) Falsely to move or maintain any suit, action, or proceeding.
    (4) To cheat and defraud any person of any property, by any means which are in themselves criminal, or to obtain money or property by false pretenses or by false promises with fraudulent intent not to perform those promises.
    (5) To commit any act injurious to the public health, to public morals, or to pervert or obstruct justice, or the due administration of the laws.
    (6) To commit any crime against the person of the President or Vice President of the United States, the Governor of any state or territory, any United States justice or judge, or the secretary of any of the executive departments of the United States.
    They are punishable as follows:
    When they conspire to commit any crime against the person of any official specified in paragraph (6), they are guilty of a felony and are punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for five, seven, or nine years.
    When they conspire to commit any other felony, they shall be punishable in the same manner and to the same extent as is provided for the punishment of that felony. If the felony is one for which different punishments are prescribed for different degrees, the jury or court which finds the defendant guilty thereof shall determine the degree of the felony the defendant conspired to commit. If the degree is not so determined, the punishment for conspiracy to commit the felony shall be that prescribed for the lesser degree, except in the case of conspiracy to commit murder, in which case the punishment shall be that prescribed for murder in the first degree.
    If the felony is conspiracy to commit two or more felonies which have different punishments and the commission of those felonies constitute but one offense of conspiracy, the penalty shall be that prescribed for the felony which has the greater maximum term.
    When they conspire to do an act described in paragraph (4), they shall be punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars (\$10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
    When they conspire to do any of the other acts described in this section, they shall be punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year, or pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars (\$10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. When they receive a felony conviction for conspiring to commit identity theft, as defined in Section 530.5, the court may impose a fine of up to twenty-five thousand dollars (\$25,000).
    All cases of conspiracy may be prosecuted and tried in the superior court of any county in which any overt act tending to effect the conspiracy shall be done.
    (b) Upon a trial for conspiracy, in a case where an overt act is necessary to constitute the offense, the defendant cannot be convicted unless one or more overt acts are expressly alleged in the indictment or information, nor unless one of the acts alleged is proved; but other overt acts not alleged may be given in evidence.
    (Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 272. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68.)

    ***

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  105. No such punctilious wordsmithing by pundits or Presidents is used when slinging around the sobriquet “white supremacist.” That phrase is never quibbled over or even requires any specific definition before being used.

    “White supremacist” is their longhand for slandering them as Nazi without saying “Nazi” or “neo-Nazi” which most people think of as people who actually appropriate Nazi symbols and think Hitler was great.

    In reality, there are almost no actual “white supremacists” around. I’ve never heard anyone argue that what we need is an apartheid style state, with blacks working in the mines or doing farm or factory labor. (The people who want to bring in Somalis to work in a slaughterhouse … aren’t the alt-right!)

    Rather, most of the people they fling this term at are just people who are pro-Western civilization, pro-traditional America. They think white people did a good job creating America and aren’t ashamed of it. (Revealed preference suggests minorities overwhelmingly think so too. Africa, Israel, Latin America, China, India, Arabia … are all still there! But minorities really want a piece of the white man.)

    Even the most “extreme” of all the people they label as “white supremacists” are mostly “white nationalists”–i.e. they don’t think “diversity” works and want white people to have their own communities.

    But accurately saying “white nationalist” just doesn’t have the same oppressive oomph. While Jews routinely freak over all nationalisms but one, normies don’t. Most think “nations” are good things. And if the term was abuse was simply “white nationalism” they might start to think “Hey, if nationalism is wonderful for Africans or Indians or Vietnamese or Mexicans or Arabs or Jews … what the hell is wrong with us having a nation? We’re a people too.”

  106. Polistra says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    They got three suspects (the one guy visible is black).

    How long before white antifa types join in for the express purpose of being photographed and arrested during the ‘non-looting’ events, just to support the mass-media narrative? Any charges can be dropped quietly the day after.

    Has this happened yet, to anyone’s knowledge? But then, how would we know?

  107. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘…To be clear, we don’t know the identities or races of the majority of the thieves involved in this crime wave…’

    Well, the majority of them are feral negroes, and the stragglers will be Latino and white. No Jews that I could spy. Asians seem absent also.

    Trust that any photo or video of a white guy acting like a thriving feral negro will be the one used by sociopath liberal “journalists.” It’s a form of gaslighting that is a go-to strategy for those suffering from borderline narcissistic personality disorder, which is the covid of journalism.

    Meanwhile, because of local newspapers being turned into political pulpits, feral negroes were recently able to shut down an entire Walgreens so nobody in the neighborhood can get their prescription filled locally. I imsgine that would depress housing prices in the area. If you’re committing to buying a house, it kind of sucks not having a drugstore in your neighborhood, not to mention having gangs of negroes doing what the do best with no accountability putting pressure on local businesses, don’t you know.

    If you live in feral negro hotspots, and you have a prescription to be filled to mitigate your cancer, it sucks to be you…

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/11/22/thieves-swarm-east-bay-stores-pharmacies-dispensaries-in-weekend-crime-spree/

  108. Polistra says:
    @Whiskey

    There have already been numerous instances of negroes looting delivery vans, trains even. Moving trains even. You can do away with retail all you want but it’s not retail that needs fixing.

  109. Daniel H says:

    The looting, there’s ALWAYS a jewelry store in the mix (other prime sites are the liquor and sneaker stores), and I don’t think that the looters understand the greatest value in the loot: getting rid of the cheap stones and selling/stashing the metal.

  110. tyrone says:
    @Kronos

    I’m seeing Kronos in a hand to hand transaction in the parking lot of an inner city night club……..what could possibly go wrong.

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
  111. magilla says:
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    This guy looks like an extra from The Amos ‘n Andy Show.

  112. @huisache

    A distinction with a difference, however slight it may seem.

    At one time, after a natural disaster, it was often announced that looters would be shot on sight. That’s a distinction with a big difference.

  113. @Escher

    How much do you want to bet that he tells people he’s a “professor in New Haven,” in a vain attempt to hoodwink them into thinking he teaches at that Other Famous Institution of Higher Learning in New Haven? (No, not Albertus Magnus College; the Other Other Famous Institution.)

    • Replies: @prosa123
  114. Possumman says:
    @Tiny Duck

    That’s why prisons are filled with white guys—oh wait…

  115. @Rob

    you are likely better off in 40% metro area than a 5% black one, because in the 40% one, accommodations have been made.

    In a 40% black urban area, whites and normal people of all races are well and truly screwed.

    40% black means no law enforcement: In a 40% black urban area brain-dead white liberals and blacks vote together for a Soros approved and funded mayor and district attorney who will defund the police and eliminate cash bail and otherwise remove police protections from the citizenry.

    40% black means a lot more orcs Not all blacks are orcs like Darrell Brooks, the Waukesha Monster. Let’s say 5% of blacks are orcs, so in a 40% black community 2% of the population are orcs (2,000 out of 100,000) compared to a 5% black community where only 0.25% (250 out of 100,000). So in the blacker community there are lot more orcs increasing the likelihood of your encountering them.

    Less law enforcement plus more orcs means white genocide. Whites who care about their families must relocate.

    • Replies: @Rooster1111
  116. Possumman says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    So the Work Boots Are Us Store is safe???

  117. Rob says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The coming population crunch in China is not a point in favor of high Asian intelligence. Glass houses and all, I know they weren’t dumb enough to say, “capitalists, bankers, and colleges administrators are sterilizing the ambitious members of the working class, the middle class, and even the pro-man class? Clearly, we must make up for this shortfall of intelligent people by importing Guatemalan peasants!” But that’s more because the WASPs bowed out of governing the nation, not any actual desire by Americans.

    Someone in China must’ve worked out exponential decay? The Chinese communist rulers are supposedly engineers. 0.5^n is fairly easy to calculate (pro tip: convert to a fraction) I guess they are an n = 2.5 now? Calculates new generation is 17% the size of the cohort at the start of one child? Seems small, I guess there’s demographic momentum still? As I remember it, .5^n goes to zero rather fast.

    [MORE]

    I’m sure there was some junior flunky who figured out the one-child policy had to end sometime but was too scared to tell his boss. But for a nation that prides itself (at least the Party does) on having rational men in charge instead of lawyers, this should not have blindsided them.

    I’m curious what China will do. Will they succumb to immigration-mania? You and I know they can’t solve too few Chinese with too many Africans, but do they? How blank statist were Chinese Communists? Would saying “we will pay intelligent women to produce babies using, push comes to shove, African surrogate mothers” violate any decades-long propaganda vein that people were executed over?

    Oh, they probably have a problem similar to one of our problems. The people making decisions are in their seventies, and they are “solving” the problems of 1980, not 2021, and especially not 2050. I guess in light of that, the Politburo recognizing too few babies as a problem is tremendous progress, better than anything our gerontocracy can do. They are just getting used to “one day, China will be a rival,” not realizing that China maybe already won.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
  118. @Tiny Duck

    “Nuance”? I’d prefer a nice, simple gesture. Guess which one.

    You know where you stand when someone gives you this particular gesture.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  119. Charles says:
    @JimDandy

    We live in…I suppose “interesting times”.

  120. @Kronos

    Private equity: is there anything it can’t do?

    (Other than abolish the “carried interest” exception…)

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  121. Yeah everything you’ve ever said is correct but we’re having more fun at rdrama.net.

  122. Hibernian says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    That shopping was apparently documented by the cops, however, she was diverted into a deferred prosecution program; therefore, it never happened, we’re told by our betters.

  123. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think it’s more likely that the smash and grab was orchestrated by a Latino gang. Here in the Bay Area, most of the property crime (like thefts and car break ins) are done by very well organized Latino gangs. A team of thieves can search and break into a whole parking lot of cars, then make a quick escape in a getaway vehicle in under 20 minutes and the police are largely unable (both because of Prop 47 as well as just the sheer speed at which these criminals can commit their crimes) to stop them. People will do their grocery shopping and come back to an entire parking lot of broken car windows.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  124. @Whiskey

    Which means retail is DEAD DEAD DEAD. You can’t have a retail operation if most of the merchandise is just stolen. So pretty much everything will be Amazon only. Great for them, bad for everyone else.

    Maybe that’s why Bezos is a Democrat.

  125. @Rob

    0.5^n is fairly easy to calculate (pro tip: convert to a fraction)

    You have an extremely sophisticated grasp of mathematics.

  126. prosa123 says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    How much do you want to bet that he tells people he’s a “professor in New Haven,” in a vain attempt to hoodwink them into thinking he teaches at that Other Famous Institution of Higher Learning in New Haven? (No, not Albertus Magnus College; the Other Other Famous Institution.)

    Which would not be merely misleading but downright untrue, given that the University of New Haven is actually in neighboring West Haven. It’s rather expensive given the quality of education, though oddly enough its forensic science program is one of the best in the country.

    Speaking of New Haven the city, a popular trivia question that hardly anyone gets right is “What’s the largest university in New Haven?”
    The answer is Southern Connecticut State University.

  127. I find it difficult to relate. Where it live, call it non-Wakandaland, such behavior is treated as organized criminal activity. Consequences are dire.

  128. Speaking of New Haven the city, a popular trivia question that hardly anyone gets right is “What’s the largest university in New Haven?”
    The answer is Southern Connecticut State University.

    Boston College is a university in Chestnut Hill. The University of Minnesota’s “St Paul Campus” is in Philando Castile’s Falcon Heights. UCSD isn’t in SD. Washington University had to add the words “in St Louis” to their name.

    A fun game is to put various US cities’ names after “University of…” and ask, “Jesuit, or not?”

    But the best such trivia question is, “In which state will you find the University of New England, founded 83 years ago?”

    The answer?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @prosa123
  129. Ingebretsen’s on East Lake Street was broken into during the Minneapolis riots, but suffered no looting at all. They saw Mr Viking, and went elsewhere.

    That, or they smelled the meat. And it wasn’t even lutefisk season yet!

  130. @Wade Hampton

    I think you’re percentages of orcs is a bit low, I’d say in a 40% black area, roughly 20% are orcs, 10% being male. Now on any given day, based on how drunk/high/grievanced the general community is, that number can drastically go up. However, you always have the baseline 10% that’s being repopulated and replenished 24/7/365; that’s how you have over 500 murders a year in a city, in only the predominantly black neighborhoods.

  131. @Inquiring Mind

    several hundred dollars worth of swag from the T J Maxx

    That must have weighed a ton!

  132. res says:
    @Rob

    Tl;dr you are likely better of in 40% metro area than a 5% black one, because in the 40% one, accommodations have been made.

    I think it’s more accurate to say there would be a different set of problems.

  133. “Loot” used to be a race-neutral term much beloved by headline writers facing tight character counts

    Thieves Loot Local Appliance Store
    Yanks Loot A’s Farm System

    The association between “looters” and “looting” with blacks began I think around the urban riots of 1967 or so. If the (probably stolen) shoe fits they have only themselves to blame.

  134. @Alden

    Lie back and think of Ripple.

    • Replies: @Alden
  135. AndrewR says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MirahGambino/status/1462986287841890307

    Comments are full of people calling Rollins racist for this. Many of the commenters are whites.

    We cannot share a country with these people and I’m not too thrilled about sharing a planet with them.

  136. TWS says:
    @Kronos

    Won’t work anymore. There are not enough legacy Americans left. No one else really wants the orderly and honest society we had. Sure Jose Six-pack might not want the armies of Mordor interrupting little Maria’s Quinceañera but they don’t want uncle Pablo getting stopped for one too many on the drive home.

    Tough on crime gets you normie whites, a few Asians and damn few else.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  137. Remember: language control is thought control.

    Straight outta 1984.

    Marxism 101.

    Orwell was right.

    • Agree: Moses
  138. @Whiskey

    Black people have the right to street reparations

    Excellent. Street reparations.

    Call Norman Lear! He can readapt yet another BBC classic for US audiences!

    What would Cosby’s be called? Sheet reparations?

    (And, yes, Lear is still alive.)

  139. prosa123 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A fun game is to put various US cities’ names after “University of…” and ask, “Jesuit, or not?”

    Some public universities use that nomenclature, for example Houston, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Louisville, while others are nonsectarian private universities, such as Denver, Miami, and Chicago.
    Bridgeport was an odd case, having been under control of Sung Myung Moon’s followers until a couple of years ago, and the less said about Phoenix, the better.

  140. TWS says:
    @Alden

    Drake’s treasure part of it anyway, has turned up on the beaches of Vancouver Island. Single coins here and there.

  141. EdwardM says:
    @Tex

    Disagree that looting=stealing. The essence of looting is the absence of property rights being enforced on a large scale (while merely stealing involves overcoming property rights by force or deception).

    So looting is an accurate characterization.

  142. Kronos says:
    @tyrone

    It’ll probably be out of something from “Malibu’s Most Wanted.”

    But if some caring thugs could grab me a Filson mackinaw lined wool coat from Nordstrom that’ll be great. Those things go for over \$800.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  143. @PedroAstra

    I think it’s more likely that the smash and grab was orchestrated by a Latino gang. Here in the Bay Area, most of the property crime (like thefts and car break ins) are done by very well organized Latino gangs.

    Nah they are Blacks.

    I can tell by the way they run. They have a panicky scramble and bump into each other.

    Black youff also wear tight pants now.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  144. @Gary in Gramercy

    We need more nuance when discussing these matters.

    “Nuance”? I’d prefer a nice, simple gesture. Guess which one.

  145. JMcG says:
    @Kronos

    I’m embarrassed to wear my old Filson stuff out in public anymore. It’s just like when all the dentists and accountants bought Harleys and got all decked out in leather.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  146. Alden says:

    California parents are getting concerned about the legalization of \$950 per shoplift incident. Teens from respectable families are thinking if it’s legal and the police and stores can’t do anything, why can’t I? The kids are talking about it.

    The concerned parents probably voted to legalize \$950 shoplifting figuring only their beloved blacks would do it.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @Anonymous
  147. Alden says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    LOL We already did our part. And how many White children do you have?

  148. @D. K.

    Kyle’s lawyers are loving this. Add an extra \$100 million to the lawsuit.

  149. @D. K.

    Pretty much nothing sold in a Louis Vuitton store costs less than the \$950 shoplifting threshold set by the state. Low end purses in that store are \$2k+, the higher end are \$10k+, with everything inbetween. I know a few female friends who have LV bags that cost \$4k. Preposterous yes, but that’s the way it is.

    • Replies: @LP5
    , @Expletive Deleted
  150. Moses says:

    It’s part of the Left’s strategy to shame anyone who uses term “looting” to describe Blacks swarming into a business and stealing everything in sight. They know exactly what they are doing.

    Words matter. Eliminate or replace the word, eliminate or replace the thinking.

    Consider:
    Illegal alien –> undocumented worker
    Blacks, Mexicans, etc (aka non-Whites) –> [powerless marginalized] minorities
    Wino/bum –> homeless
    Murderous rampage mowing down White kids and grannies –> SUV crash or general “tragedy”
    Riot –> protest
    Destructive riot with arson –> mostly peaceful protest
    Violent rioters –> protesters

    It works in reverse too:

    Trespassing in the Capitol –> Capitol riot and insurrection
    Trespasser in the Capitol –> Insurrectionist
    Any White not submissive enough, not towing the woke line –> White Supremacist
    Parents concerned with kids’ education –> domestic terrorists and White supremacists

    Too few on the Right understand the battle of words, of language. Maybe it’s a Jewish thing — our people generally are more facile with words and mostly on the left (a few maverick commenters here to the contrary).

    I see Right accounts repeatedly on Twitter use “1/6 Capital Riot” or deny they are “White Supremacist”. I want to reach through the screen and slap them. They are reinforcing the Left’s whole frame of those words by using them without qualification or definition.

    Even Kyle Rittenhouse went on TV to say he’s “not a White Surpremacist.” [WTF is that? No one knows, other than “White person”. It’s used a general-purpose smear.] That hurt him instead of helping him — “Oh that cracka said he’s not a White Supremacist so I guess we were all wrong about him” lol.

    Instead, Kyle legitimized the word and it’s “meaning” by using it. Dumb dumb dumb.

    Here’s something all of you can do — use these words:
    1/6 Capital riot –> 1/6 Mostly Peaceful Protest
    1/6 Insurrectionists –> dissenters or political prisoners
    Undocumented worker –> illegal alien
    SUV crash –> Black terrorist murder of White children and grannies
    White surpremacist –> Never use it. Say “I don’t know what that means” and/or ask the speaker to define it. Get the convo focused on the true meaning of this word which is anti-White hate or just “White”. Usually they’re smart enough to refuse to define it.
    Minorities –> non-Whites

    You get the idea.

    Be aware. This is a battle of words.

    • Agree: ziggurat
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @AnotherDad
  151. Merriam-webster.com
    loot, verb; looted; looting; loots
    Definition of loot (Entry 2 of 2)
    transitive verb
    1a : to plunder or sack in war
    b : to rob especially on a large scale and usually by violence or corruption
    2 : to seize and carry away by force especially in war
    intransitive verb
    : to engage in robbing or plundering especially in war

  152. D. K. says:
    @John Johnson

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  153. D. K. says:

  154. @Abolish_public_education

    100%

    I remember watching news stories as a kid 50 years ago and if some public official were to address the media it would be……………….the Chief of Police. Commissioner Gordon, perhaps. Or the FD Chief.

    More useless, wasteful government bloat. This country is bankrupting itself.

  155. This could make for a great gangster/heist movie – Oshawns 80.

  156. @D. K.

    A “swarm”? Who could it bee?

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  157. NickG says:

    Of course it’s not looting. That’s so unenriched.

    It’s affirmative shopping…

  158. Ok, then it’s plundering.

  159. Kronos says:
    @JMcG

    When I lived in Portland, OR from the late 2000s Filson was and likely still is all the rage. It meant you were a hipster with serious money. With this coat alone you could go out in bars and assume the role of a 19th century cowboy pimp.

    You were considered “authentic” with Filson clothes.

    • Replies: @LP5
    , @JMcG
  160. @Charles Pewitt

    Love that guy. I always thought to myself, “Think how pissed he’s gonna be when he realizes those aren’t twist-offs.”

  161. @SafeNow

    You gotta admit, changing his name to “Metta World Peace” was pretty goddam funny.

    • Agree: SafeNow
  162. @Moses

    1/6 Insurrectionists –> dissenters or political prisoners

    “Undocumented Congressmen”

    • Replies: @Moses
  163. @Moses

    Be aware. This is a battle of words.

    Excellent comment on the battle of words.

    Even Kyle Rittenhouse went on TV to say he’s “not a White Surpremacist.” [WTF is that? No one knows, other than “White person”. It’s used a general-purpose smear.] That hurt him instead of helping him — “Oh that cracka said he’s not a White Supremacist so I guess we were all wrong about him” lol.

    I agree. But remember he’s just a kid, who grew up in their world. I.e. the world created by the media. Kyle’s done very very well, just to still understand what civilization requires.

    I’d say something on the lines of:

    “White supremacist” is just a smear from the left, the Democrats, for any white person who wants public order and civilized behavior, and is against their campaign of riots and looting and political street thuggery.

  164. @Alden

    And how many White children do you have?

    Unless you have at least 4; don’t tell other White people what to do.

    Alden, seriously what’s your deal with discussions of fertility?

    Fertility is–in a healthy nation–a normal public policy question.

    To my mind there’s a handful of things a nation must do to preserve itself:
    — Defend its borders. Keep out invaders.
    — Keep up a healthy, eugenic population.
    — Maintain public order.
    — Pass on your norms, values, culture to the next generation.
    — Maintain and enhance skills and productive endeavor.
    and i’ll toss in
    — Limit state looting.

    Notably the Democrats are now “out” in being against all of these things.

    But analyzing and discussing all these things is perfectly reasonable–and in fact desirable–even for people who have not personally done them.

    For example, you have strong opinions in the public order department, but as far as i know, you didn’t go full Rittenhouse last summer.

    I’m happy–i’m sure most of the guys here are happy–that a woman of your quality has a good sized family. And i likewise encourage the young guys here to form families and/or have more kids. It is the best thing they can do for civilization–and the most meaningful and rewarding thing they can do in their own lives.

    But guys can “do the math” and discuss the fertility issue even if they haven’t had four kids.

  165. @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    If it’s looting, then it’s only a conspiracy theory.

    If it’s ‘organized robbery’ then it’s an actual conspiracy.

    Based Glover.

  166. @Currahee

    Your list of near-synonyms, while undoubtedly accurate and well-intentioned, is unfortunately very “problematic” for The Narrative as well. Why? Let’s take a look at the context here:

    Contrary to what many seem to believe, Mr. Glover is not the William Safire of ABC7 News, and neither Mr. Glover nor the law enforcement officials quoted in his narrative are professional lexicographers on loan from the OED, who are motivated largely by their deep concern for precision in the use of language*. They’re simply parroting a higher level proscription that has been in place for the past couple of years. The AP Stylebook (the “bible” of narrative promotion) has made it clear since the very start of the BLM/ antifa riots that “looting” should not be used to describe the actions of those engaged in officially-sanctioned mass theft and destruction, and “looters” should definitely be avoided when describing their persons. (See also the similar mandate banning the word “riot”).

    The ostensible reasons for this injunction are, as the AP makes clear (and Glover et al repeat), the strong negative connotations associated with the word “loot,” and its supposed connection to muh White supreemist rayciss oppression ‘n sheeut. The powers that be would much prefer that those negative connotations were attached to the White kulaks than to their own minions.

    But there’s more to it than that. They’re not really worried about so-called “racism” — there’s a bigger problem with “loot” than its alleged connotations — its primary denotation. Look at your synonym list. As I’m sure you noticed, the first 5 terms are all actions that are typically taken by… an invading army. In the context of a war. And as David points out in comment #69. A quick check of Merriam-Webster or dictionary.com will verify this.
    So a conquering army is looting/ plundering/ sacking/ pillaging our cities? Who’s recruiting, organizing, and sponsoring this army? Don’t even go there, goy — it’s “organized robbery,” and that’s final.

    And what’s the opposite of war? Peace. Hence the oft-repeated mostly peaceful” canard. Looks like the “news” media are big believers in the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. Not only are words that evoke the specter of war banned, but the word “peace” was repeated over and over again in coverage of the riots and the associated looting, arson, and gang assaults. It may seem patently ludicrous, but associative conditioning works.

    *Incidental digression: a deeper dive into the etymology of “loot” shows that it not only has so-called “racist” origins, but “imperialist” ones as well. From the OED:

    “Hindi lūṭ… Sanskrit lotra, loptra booty, spoil, from the root lup = rup to break; others refer it to Sanskrit lunt to rob.”

    So it’s a loan word from Hindi, adopted in the context of the Raj. A couple of early uses:
    1839: “He (Ameer Khan) always found the talismanic gathering word Loot (plunder) a sufficient bond of union in any part of India.”
    1859: “For downright looting commend me to the hirsute Sikh”

    Oy vey. Clearly, this “looting” trope not only wounds Black bodies with its vicious epistemic violence, but Brown bodies as well. It’s clearly — and inextricably – associated with muh White supreemist colonialist oppression of muh Brown subalterns in muh Global South. Very problematic in the current year.

    But Mr. Glover doesn’t know that, so he didn’t mention it. Then again, neither did the AP, and someone who works there must be capable of looking up the word. But Indian victimhood-claiming is not particularly useful in the context of either the Sacking of San Francisco or the broader narrative of the BLM/ antifa riots. And, to be fair, the etymology of “loot” is pretty much irrelevant to the current connotations of the word. Mr. Glover is far from the only one who’s completely unaware of the word’s origins.

  167. LP5 says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Awaiting those Grammy Awards given out for courageous narration of shopping incursions excursions.

    Future generations will limn, ode and even paean those brave souls.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  168. LP5 says:
    @Kronos

    Yeah, those Carhartt bros were so down-scale, like they actually wore those clothes to work or something. There went the neighborhood.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
  169. LP5 says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    That will, like, totes ruin the Chinese Louie bag trade. Who will buy the knockoffs when the real thing appears on eBay or wherever at knockdown prices!

  170. @James Forrestal

    And as David points out in comment #69…

    The second half of that sentence got chopped off:

    …the primary definition of “loot” as a verb is “to plunder or sack” a “conquered city or people.

    A quick check of Merriam-Webster or dictionary.com will verify this.

  171. @YetAnotherAnon

    I now have a funny feeling that somehow, just somehow, the merchants have worked out how to pass the costs of all of this off onto Joe Taxpayer.
    Or it’d be shut down in a New York minute.

  172. @Sick 'n Tired

    LV bags that cost \$4k

    Gott in Himmel! That’s about four used ARs.
    “They know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.”
    Wilde, I think. He’d spent hard Victorian time in the Big House and all. OG Shirtlifter.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
  173. Muggles says:
    @Alden

    I believe that the US Constitution gives the President (and specifically mentions this) “letters of Marque” which are basically authorizations to attack (and plunder, in the old days) “enemy” ships.

    So the right to share in pirated booty is part of the US legal set up. And no, there isn’t any requirement that such pirated ship’s loot be shared with the US government. Not in the Constitution. But…

    Even in the tax code I don’t think that is covered. Of course when I capture the new Chinese aircraft carrier “Mighty Xi Jinping” I imagine the IRS will consider it my “business income” and want a thick slice. Also Self Employment tax.

    So at auction selling those planes and nice tableware, I’d better withhold around 40% for Dear Uncle.

    “Sorry sir, but it’s in the Constitution and everything. If you profit from doing anything, we get a cut.”

  174. Muggles says:

    Despite the fact that there will be a sudden influx of offers for “brand new Hermes handbags” etc. on eBay or Craigs List, I doubt the SF and Bay area DA’s will want to bother with rounding up the looters.

    Too much work. Have to spend hours looking at stuff for sale instead of porno on their computers. If they make the gals do it, they’ll just order some for themselves and say nothing was found.

    Meanwhile the communists now running the Bay Area and the state will demand federal sanctions against the numerous businesses now moving out of Cali and into AZ, CO, TX and FL.

    “We can get Pelosi to put that in the Infrastructure Bill!”

  175. @LP5

    “Ayo! (smackety smack) ‘Oo daur meddle wi’ I-man?!”

  176. Luzzatto says:
    @Edmund

    White Antifa are NEVER called looters. White Antifa have special Black Adjacent status. The White Antifa guy who tried to murder ICE agents was NEVER called a White terrorist by The Democrat Run Mainstream Media, neither was the White Antifa guy who murdered a Proud Boy, and neither was the White Antifa guy attempting to murder Republican politicians at a baseball game!

  177. Luzzatto says:
    @Alden

    Most California parents voted for Democrat politicians and Democrat DAs who are extremely soft on crime, so who gives a fuck what most California parents think is concerning when most of them are just going to rinse and repeat re-elect on autopilot all of these anti-law and order Democrats in 2022 and 2024 by huge landslides.

  178. Luzzatto says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    The Architect Seth Freaking Rollins is Armenian like Cher and The Kardashians, not Hispanic. His stepfather is Hispanic and he adopted his stepfather’s last name Lopez!

  179. Kronos says:
    @LP5

    It’s paradoxical. My Redwing Iron Rangers are considered a luxury shoe. Yet they were originally used by coal miners.

  180. JMcG says:
    @TWS

    In that orderly and honest society, if a cop saw Uncle Pablo or Uncle Sean or Uncle Tony swerving a little on the way home from the taproom on a Friday evening, he’d likely have given him a ride home or taken his keys and let him sleep it off. Uncle Remus on the other hand would have gotten a wooden shampoo. Unless he was in his own neighborhood, in which case, no harm, no foul.

  181. JMcG says:
    @Kronos

    I breathed deep before I bought my mackinaw cruiser for 135.00. I see they are up to 495.00 now. That’s ridiculous. It worked really well hunting caribou in Northern Quebec though, back when that was still permitted.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  182. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    It’s what everyone is thinking even if they’re not saying it. Why should blacks get all the good loot?

  183. @Tiny Duck

    You surprise me Tiny. So much so, that I’m not sure it’s really you.

    Only punctuation errors??? No misspellings??? Is this really Tiny Duck???

    Attention all Loyal Unz Readers…

    Tiny Duck’s account may have been hacked. Read his comments at your own risk.

    That is all.

  184. @prosa123

    I love that your comment started with…

    Totally.

    Very 80’s. Very P.J. Smalls in Halloween.

    You must be a kindred.

  185. @mc23

    And you said it with such wonderful prose.

    Words like redolent and overtones are music to my ears. We need more of this; if only to soothe our besieged souls as we face the ceaseless onslaught of anti-White demons and their legion familiars.

  186. @Whiskey

    That’s what I have been thinking. How can you run a retail store if the Sacred Negro has carte blanche to plunder it? Who would want to work in retail if it means risking his safety? At minimum, the current paradigm of free access into stores may go by the wayside. To enter any establishment you’ll need to show an ID card. Kind of like it is now for boarding a plane. Inconvenient, but something has to give.

  187. @Jack D

    In South Africa, they call it “affirmative shopping.”

  188. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Undocumented Congressmen”

    Yes! This is excellent Dad.

  189. Kronos says:
    @JMcG

    Thus my interest in having BLM become my own personal looter monkey minions to rob the Portland Nordstrom.

  190. @James Forrestal

    Well this is interesting:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10236377/Woke-criminal-experts-mocked-telling-public-NOT-call-large-scale-thefts-Calif-looting.html

    The Daily Fail is promoting the same “looter” prohibition that was initially promulgated by the AP Stylebook, and later parroted by Mr. Glover. They make the same argument, and in almost exactly the same way. Who do they quote as experts (in anti-semanticism, presumably)?

    “Martin Reynolds, co-executive director of the Robert C. Maynard Institute of Journalism Education” and “Lorenzo Boyd, a professor of criminal justice & community policing .” Both Reynolds and Boyd appear to be of West African ancestry — we know this because the DM piece contains multiple photos of each.

    Looks like a pattern to me: Glover, Reynolds, and Boyd — all Black, and the “news” media narratives promoting them portray the “looting” ban as if it were something they came up with on their own, rather than a generalized media mandate first introduced by the editors of the AP Stylebook a couple of years ago. “‘Riot’ and ‘looting’ BAD; say ‘peaceful’ as many times as possible” was the basic media recipe for describing the organized violence, robbery, gang assaults, and widespread destruction during the BLM/ antifa riots — they’re just reemphasizing that existing rule.

    I wonder how many of the editors of the AP Stylebook are Black — and how many are… other ethnicities?

    “Look, goy — see those Negroes over there? They don’t want you to say ‘looting’.”

    Yup, it’s Black people who set the rules for weaving the word magic. It’s like, obvious.

    Also — does the Daily Mail do this kind of thing deliberately?
    She added that the crimes were also exasperated by the holiday shopping rush

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