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Before giving his endorsement in the Republican primaries to Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker, Donald Trump hosted a try-out for potential Republican candidates at Mar-A-Lago. Here are the first leaked photos of invitees from the pool-side get-together:

 
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  1. LOL. You left out the fire-eaters and the dwarves.

    If you think Dr. Oz is strange you should meet Fetterman. There’s a man who could really get a job with the circus.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Jack D

    Tall striking inarticulate candidates like Fetterman and Biden are the way to go. Trump is tall with a distinct look but his verbal stream of consciousness crippled him.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj2GESRYBAI

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Jack D

    Ohhh! I just noticed the long haired Semitic looking gent has a ukelele. I was trying to figure who he was. Not Keith Richards after all!😮

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Speaking of circuses, I defy anyone to state that Fetterman's long lost twin isn't Peter Boyle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtoYsQJdeM

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Fetterman may not last long. Once you've had a stroke, it increases your probability of having another one. He is only 53, which is oddly young for a stroke. He used to be really into sports. Is there any possibility he's been taking steroids? They increase your chance of stroke. It's also possible that he was using amphetamines to keep himself going on the campaign trail, and they caused the stroke. He wouldn't be the first politician to campaign on amphetamines.

    He now has a pacemaker, which is not something you usually get after a stroke. It can be used to treat afib or irregular heartbeat. Both steroids and amphetamines increase your probability of developing afib.

    Replies: @Jack D

  2. Any one of those is better than Mike P.

    • LOL: Liza
  3. Make something disreputable to say only the disreputable or those who don’t care about becoming disreputable will say it.

    Of course, without Bannon and with Kushner still there Trumpism 2.0 won’t have the same appeal to those working class voters in the Great Lakes who only vote Republican if Trump is on the ballot.

    And yet with all of the things stacked against Trump and ‘Trumpist’ candidates (Few seem to be very populist in reality and seem to just be typical Bush Republicans except they’re for better borders) they keep getting votes.

    Attempts are being made to turn this energy into something the powers that be can control or turn back against the public and nation, eg the ‘Proud Boys’ or Ben Shapiro which seek more neoliberal and neocon agendas.

    Trump was necessary but will the next steps be able to take shape in the US? The neocons have started their insane confrontation with Russia, pushing it into an alliance with China which cannot be defeated all for the short-term mission of regime change and general destruction in Syria.

    Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Altai

    Kushner is still there?

    , @Colin Wright
    @Altai

    '...Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @HammerJack

    , @LondonBob
    @Altai

    Gabbard is a dumb surfer girl and not remotely conservative except for the fact she is critical of neocon wars, would be another stellar Trump pick, especially as she voted to impeach him!

    To be fair the Republican establishment is more to blame, more interested in stopping Trump.

  4. Was Walker that bad (especially compared to Warnock) or was it a repudiation of Trump? Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.

    Kushner is probably still wondering why they didn’t win the black vote in Atlanta.

    Trump can run in 2024 but he’ll need an interesting strategy. I can’t imagine him winning Georgia or Wisconsin at this point. He would have to offset with Nevada most likely.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Marquis


    Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.
     
    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict. There are far more immigrants and transplants in Georgia than there were 20 or 25 years ago. Demographic change and corruption make voting hard to predict.

    After 2022, why would anyone trust any election, anyway? The key to successful election fraud would be to keep it close all along, don't stop to count, and don't gloat.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @OilcanFloyd

    , @nokangaroos
    @Marquis

    Kushner himself could have run against the House Big (who is now
    blaming Black! men) and won.

    , @LondonBob
    @Marquis

    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election, ironically Biden still polls the best against Trump.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Corvinus

  5. …and then there’s Trump himself.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  6. Don’t quit your day job to go into comedy.

    • Agree: Kylie
  7. @Altai
    Make something disreputable to say only the disreputable or those who don't care about becoming disreputable will say it.

    Of course, without Bannon and with Kushner still there Trumpism 2.0 won't have the same appeal to those working class voters in the Great Lakes who only vote Republican if Trump is on the ballot.

    And yet with all of the things stacked against Trump and 'Trumpist' candidates (Few seem to be very populist in reality and seem to just be typical Bush Republicans except they're for better borders) they keep getting votes.

    Attempts are being made to turn this energy into something the powers that be can control or turn back against the public and nation, eg the 'Proud Boys' or Ben Shapiro which seek more neoliberal and neocon agendas.

    Trump was necessary but will the next steps be able to take shape in the US? The neocons have started their insane confrontation with Russia, pushing it into an alliance with China which cannot be defeated all for the short-term mission of regime change and general destruction in Syria.

    Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Colin Wright, @LondonBob

    Kushner is still there?

  8. I can’t believe how many “dissident right” white men won’t mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire “dissident right” is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: Renard
    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Muse
    @ATBOTL

    That is because the a majority of the dissident right is concerned about values and political interests, not race and a persons sex, as the left wing pundits would like the populace to believe . This is why people like Justice Thomas, Glenn Loury and Nikki Haley are heroes to many conservatives.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Marquis
    @ATBOTL

    Oz was Trump’s hand picked candidate that beat out a more establishment type (never mind that Oz would’ve probably been to the left of Romney), and a certain segment can’t admit that their leader is an egomaniacal impulsive baby at times that cares about himself more than any cause.

    Trump was useful. Maybe he still is. But his petulance and reliance on his own failed party insiders made a mess of several important races.

    , @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    , @Cato
    @ATBOTL

    Turks are white. Lots of Turks have blue eyes, and there is the occasional blond. Oz, in my high school, would have been unquestionably accepted as white.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @ATBOTL

    Actually, like most Turks outside the Kurdish region, he is a substantial part white European genetically — likely much more than he is “central asian.”

    As for Oz being Muslim, he’s secular like his mother’s side of the family was, and all four of his children and all his grandchildren are baptized Christians.

  9. Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?

    I mean, I do, but I’m too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?

     

    Meghan McCain sure does....

    Last night was the final nail in Trump's political coffin

    — because too many of his suck-up duds lost an unlosable election. Now is the moment for DeSantis to take charge of the ship

    https://mol.im/a/11408121


     

    , @Mike Tre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If DeSantis was truly wise he would remain content as Florida's governor and abstain from the presidency.

    Now he has the power to make a difference within his state. As president he will accomplish little that is worth the trade off of destroying himself if he fails.

    , @Cam Gilson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I don’t think Ron DeSantis can beat Trump cause he’s too much of a donor class invention. I just don’t see working class white boomers showing up for DeSantis against Biden. Biden’s secret weapon is he kinda seems like a working class white boomer, even though he’s actually a multi-millionaire silent generation guy. Trump is still the only white working class boomer whisperer the Republicans have, though his appeal has diminished since 2016.

    , @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Agreed. Trump opened the way but he didn’t understand governing. DeSantis understands government and can get things done. And he’s not afraid to smack around the occasional corporation.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If being an Establishment-approved, successful governor of Florida was all it took to be President, we'd be in the final two years of the Jeb! administration right now.

    BTW, Lake, Masters, and Walker could all still end up winning.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Trump had already disqualified himself in my eye, but two more nails in the coffin was his attacking DeSantis twice before his reelection. That's the typical extremely pathological narcissism we've come to expect from him, which will also continue to cripple his political efforts. For example, how little he did for the people under him who were persecuted by the Deep State. That's going to really limit the quality of the people he'll be able to retain for the next election.

    For the time being I'm not even going to pay much attention to him, simply because of the high odds the Deep State will take him out before then. See my previous comment in the iSteve topic on his new column, they really want to do this if for no other reason than how successful he can attack their status, which would resume in a major way if he got back on the national stage. (On the other hand they're probably worried about starting a hot shooting civil war, which might even be a valid concern, and it would show the Republic is dead in a standard historical pattern.)

    DeSantis I have my doubts about, as I would expect from any sane person. But is there any other Republican delivering more real pain to our enemies right now? That's important data.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Zumbuddi
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The elephants fight.
    The elephants make love.
    The grass gets trampled.

  10. @ATBOTL
    I can't believe how many "dissident right" white men won't mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire "dissident right" is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    Replies: @Muse, @Marquis, @BosTex, @Cato, @RadicalCenter

    That is because the a majority of the dissident right is concerned about values and political interests, not race and a persons sex, as the left wing pundits would like the populace to believe . This is why people like Justice Thomas, Glenn Loury and Nikki Haley are heroes to many conservatives.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Muse

    Who are these “conservatives” who allegedly consider Nikki Haley to be a hero?

  11. Hey steve… when did you get this good at photoshop? I thought you were just a statistics wonk. I like the fact that you now make” funny pitchers” for those of us too burnt out to read more demographics charts.

  12. McConnell had it exactly right back in August when he referred to “candidate quality” issues in the context of explaining why he didn’t like the R’s odds of taking the Senate.

    That was before the full scope of Herschel’s issues became clear, but I imagine McConnell had an inkling…

    What a joke. Pathetically weak crop of candidates plus the Dobbs decision turned a red wave into a trickle.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @pirelli

    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell...

    https://i.ibb.co/1KBDyN0/Screenshot-20221109-203505-Firefox.jpg

    "Candidate Quality" is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn't make so much difference. In the real world, however, the horror-show candidates aren't always matched up with one another, as they were last night in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    Replies: @Russ, @Indiana Jack

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @pirelli


    McConnell had it exactly right back in August when he referred to “candidate quality” issues in the context of explaining why he didn’t like the R’s odds of taking the Senate.
     
    Besides it being a potentially useful attack on Trump, who he hates, it's useful distraction from his and his caucus' efforts to lose the election, else they'd be expected to deliver results for which they have no stomach to even attempt. Can you imagine him or Kevin McCarthy zeroing the Geheime Staatspolizei's FBI's budget? I snipped your comment on Walker, but:

    What a joke. Pathetically weak crop of candidates plus the Dobbs decision turned a red wave into a trickle.
     
    That's a funny way to describe a widespread vote cheating system. McConnell being a part of the general establishment won't bring it up, especially since it rid him of dealing with the BAD ORANGE MAN, but his argument devolves to "poor Trump candidates means the Democrats won't have to cheat so much and so visibly."

    Which in the earliest bit of data I've seen show the usual "Red mirage" pattern for Walker. And, yes, Republicans generally won in Georgia; while you could discuss candidate quality for Stacey Abrams, we saw in 2020 cheating in that state is fully bipartisan. Which if it becomes a pattern is an even worse problem for the Republic, not that a codominion hasn't been a pattern all my life for the two parties.
  13. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?

    Meghan McCain sure does….

    Last night was the final nail in Trump’s political coffin

    — because too many of his suck-up duds lost an unlosable election. Now is the moment for DeSantis to take charge of the ship

    https://mol.im/a/11408121

  14. DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate

    ……who will also elicit a psychotic reaction from the democrats and mainstream media.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @tyrone

    Exactly. During the primaries they will promote him as such (if it suits them, or maybe they would prefer Trump on the ballot so they won't) and the minute he gets on the November ballot there will be all sorts of stories about how he tortures kittens and is a child molester and a rapist and so on.

  15. Yeah, what the hell was Trump thinking supporting Herschel Walker and Mehmet Oz. What a freak show.
    They were obviously just there to be non-white for reasons… So Trump supports a black guy with limited brain functionality and a Muslim dude, presumably to appease the donor class. Then they lose and Trump looks like a loser. Then the donor class uses this as an opportunity to support Ron DeSanctimonious lol. What a stupid night. In Trump’s own words “how stupid can you get?”.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Cam Gilson

    “ Trump supports a black guy with limited brain functionality”

    Unfortunately this is the one thing both the Ds and the Ryan/Bush Republicans can agree on; the desirability of such an candidate.

  16. Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election.

    The state government is now firmly Democrat, both houses and the Governor; the last time this happened was in 1983. Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up. The new state law now specifies that only state election officials can conduct audits.

    Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing. Unlimited illegal immigration, keep printing free money for future Democrat voters, unlimited support for Ukraine, 101st Airborne in Poland, hundreds of Pentagon “accountants” led by a one-star general in Ukraine, lots of loose talk about tactical nukes – what’s not to like!

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Anon7


    "Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election...."
     
    Prior to the election, voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities. Try again.

    "Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up."
     
    In other words, there was again massive election fraud in michigan.

    "Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing."
     
    Your mischief-making suggsts you're a Bill Kristol "republican," like Mona Charen.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Anon7

    , @ngzax
    @Anon7

    you abortion maxis just can’t let it go. it had nothing to do with it.

    in our new ballot-by-mail system large democrat-run cities can generate whatever turnout they need to win any statewide offices. as there are no observers allowed to the counting they can always win. see pa/philadelphia for the same effect.

    now that this is clearly a winning strategy and won’t be caught/stopped even pols as dumb as the republicans are catching on and will do the same, see FL.

    we are moving to an either blue or red state model. no purple.

    Replies: @Alden, @Guest29048

  17. Watched movie the day before the elections. Makes Madonna look like Hillary Clinton. Glad Al stuck to music videos.
    Looking at the pics I don’t know if Trump can find better material at this point. Seems like figures from a golden age right now

  18. @ATBOTL
    I can't believe how many "dissident right" white men won't mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire "dissident right" is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    Replies: @Muse, @Marquis, @BosTex, @Cato, @RadicalCenter

    Oz was Trump’s hand picked candidate that beat out a more establishment type (never mind that Oz would’ve probably been to the left of Romney), and a certain segment can’t admit that their leader is an egomaniacal impulsive baby at times that cares about himself more than any cause.

    Trump was useful. Maybe he still is. But his petulance and reliance on his own failed party insiders made a mess of several important races.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  19. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    If DeSantis was truly wise he would remain content as Florida’s governor and abstain from the presidency.

    Now he has the power to make a difference within his state. As president he will accomplish little that is worth the trade off of destroying himself if he fails.

    • Agree: epebble, Curle
  20. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    I don’t think Ron DeSantis can beat Trump cause he’s too much of a donor class invention. I just don’t see working class white boomers showing up for DeSantis against Biden. Biden’s secret weapon is he kinda seems like a working class white boomer, even though he’s actually a multi-millionaire silent generation guy. Trump is still the only white working class boomer whisperer the Republicans have, though his appeal has diminished since 2016.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Thanks: Russ
  21. Stills from the Weird Al movie. Give credit where due.

  22. @Jack D
    LOL. You left out the fire-eaters and the dwarves.

    If you think Dr. Oz is strange you should meet Fetterman. There's a man who could really get a job with the circus.

    Replies: @mc23, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anon

    Tall striking inarticulate candidates like Fetterman and Biden are the way to go. Trump is tall with a distinct look but his verbal stream of consciousness crippled him.

  23. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    Agreed. Trump opened the way but he didn’t understand governing. DeSantis understands government and can get things done. And he’s not afraid to smack around the occasional corporation.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @SFG

    See Cam Gilson’s comment.

    Trump’s his own man in a way DeSantis never can be. It matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @aNewBanner

  24. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Wars with China, Russia, and Iran are being lined up for you to fight white men.

    Wanna really “cast a vote” that hurts our traitorous powers-that-be? It’s easy. Don’t join the military or Coast Guard. Encourage others to not enlist or re-enlist. Let the military be only a third of its present size. That’s how you really tell the Establishment “no”. It’s their country now anyway. Let Antifa, BLM, and the rainbow warriors join and fight to spread sex-change operations for 9-year olds and economic-hit-man-IMF-debt-rebuilding loan traps for Haliburton, Bechtel, and Goldman. It doesn’t have to be You doing Wall Streets’ Steely Dan Dirty Work. Somebody else this time boys.

  25. And those are the conservatives.

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
  26. @Anon7
    Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election.

    The state government is now firmly Democrat, both houses and the Governor; the last time this happened was in 1983. Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up. The new state law now specifies that only state election officials can conduct audits.

    Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing. Unlimited illegal immigration, keep printing free money for future Democrat voters, unlimited support for Ukraine, 101st Airborne in Poland, hundreds of Pentagon “accountants” led by a one-star general in Ukraine, lots of loose talk about tactical nukes - what’s not to like!

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @ngzax

    “Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election….”

    Prior to the election, voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities. Try again.

    “Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up.”

    In other words, there was again massive election fraud in michigan.

    “Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing.”

    Your mischief-making suggsts you’re a Bill Kristol “republican,” like Mona Charen.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Nicholas Stix

    What is wrong with Michigan and why is it so different politically from Ohio?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Anon7
    @Nicholas Stix

    “..voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities.”

    In Michigan, the attack ads against the Republican candidate for Governor focused on one issue - abortion. That’s why all those Democrat women turned out.

    Women focus more on their negative emotions, and the abortion issue sets them off, true all around the country.

    As far as election fraud is concerned, obviously, we’ll never know, but any system that returns 90+ percent of incumbents to office will not be willingly altered by any politician.

    As for your last point, do you read the news?


    Joe Biden Defiant: Red Wave 'Didn't Happen' and 'I'm Not Going to Change Anything'/a>

    "I’m not going to change anything in any fundamental way,” Biden said…

    When reporters asked the president about the future of his agenda and what he would change, Biden replied, “Nothing.”

     

  27. Today many columnists spent a lot of words making the same point that Steve made with three photos. This is THE issue where electability is concerned. I myself think that the country embraces “the con style” so strongly that a successful politician must add, to his straight-lacedness, his gravitas, measured doses of the con style; the rascal. DeSantis, being nobody’s fool, gets this; witness his sending a planeload of migrant invaders to Martha’s Vineyard.

  28. @pirelli
    McConnell had it exactly right back in August when he referred to “candidate quality” issues in the context of explaining why he didn’t like the R’s odds of taking the Senate.

    That was before the full scope of Herschel’s issues became clear, but I imagine McConnell had an inkling…

    What a joke. Pathetically weak crop of candidates plus the Dobbs decision turned a red wave into a trickle.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @That Would Be Telling

    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell…

    “Candidate Quality” is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn’t make so much difference. In the real world, however, the horror-show candidates aren’t always matched up with one another, as they were last night in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    • Replies: @Russ
    @HammerJack


    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell…
     
    WSJ criticism of Trump is justified and even helpful, so long as it focuses on his primary weakness -- his dubious personnel decisions. The nutshell seems to have much less room for the McMediocrities (McCarthy, McConnell, Ronna McDaniel) whose candidate campaign funding decisions were equally dubious. And then there's this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1590448543495774208

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    , @Indiana Jack
    @HammerJack


    “Candidate Quality” is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn’t make so much difference.
     
    Even if two candidates are equally bad, the Republican will suffer more than the Democrat. Bad Republican candidates will have their faults constantly highlighted by the press, ridiculed by comedians, and they will be regularly referred to as "extremists" by the mainstream media. Bad Democratic candidates will face no such problems, and will in fact see the media (outside of a few conservative outlets) covering for them, ignoring their gaffes, and refusing to cover stories that might embarrass them.
  29. @Altai
    Make something disreputable to say only the disreputable or those who don't care about becoming disreputable will say it.

    Of course, without Bannon and with Kushner still there Trumpism 2.0 won't have the same appeal to those working class voters in the Great Lakes who only vote Republican if Trump is on the ballot.

    And yet with all of the things stacked against Trump and 'Trumpist' candidates (Few seem to be very populist in reality and seem to just be typical Bush Republicans except they're for better borders) they keep getting votes.

    Attempts are being made to turn this energy into something the powers that be can control or turn back against the public and nation, eg the 'Proud Boys' or Ben Shapiro which seek more neoliberal and neocon agendas.

    Trump was necessary but will the next steps be able to take shape in the US? The neocons have started their insane confrontation with Russia, pushing it into an alliance with China which cannot be defeated all for the short-term mission of regime change and general destruction in Syria.

    Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Colin Wright, @LondonBob

    ‘…Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.
     
    However she is WEF approved.
    , @HammerJack
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.
     
    Or you could just use the J word.

    But yeah, she doesn't like war enough!
  30. • Replies: @Marquis
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Comms guys don’t know shit about numbers. Or anything, really.

  31. @Anon7
    Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election.

    The state government is now firmly Democrat, both houses and the Governor; the last time this happened was in 1983. Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up. The new state law now specifies that only state election officials can conduct audits.

    Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing. Unlimited illegal immigration, keep printing free money for future Democrat voters, unlimited support for Ukraine, 101st Airborne in Poland, hundreds of Pentagon “accountants” led by a one-star general in Ukraine, lots of loose talk about tactical nukes - what’s not to like!

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @ngzax

    you abortion maxis just can’t let it go. it had nothing to do with it.

    in our new ballot-by-mail system large democrat-run cities can generate whatever turnout they need to win any statewide offices. as there are no observers allowed to the counting they can always win. see pa/philadelphia for the same effect.

    now that this is clearly a winning strategy and won’t be caught/stopped even pols as dumb as the republicans are catching on and will do the same, see FL.

    we are moving to an either blue or red state model. no purple.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @ngzax

    These anti abortion obsessed men of UNZ are so stupid they’ve never looked at abortion statistics . It’s black and Hispanic women who get abortions. And we Whites don’t need more affirmative action beneficiaries criminals and racial enemies in America.

    Mayor election in Los Angeles. Black Marxist woman weather underground Venceremos Brigade trained for a year in Cuba. Hates Whites Her congressional district is one of those bizarro gerrymanders that connect the old black thug ghetto Crenshaw district with wealthy Jewish Hancock Park and West Los Angeles.

    The other is a White man real estate developer. A conservative Democrat. Which in Los Angeles means not a frothing anti White Marxist.

    Both platforms are exactly the same.

    County Election Commission will continue counting mail in ballots dated November 8 for a week. Mail in ballots sent through the post office are dated like other mail. But the ballots put into those sidewalk ballot boxes don’t have post office stamps. Any number of ballots without post office date stamps can suddenly appear. And there’s no way to tell what day they were put in the collection boxes.

    As of 9 pm Wednesday the election commission announced it might take a week to count all the mail in ballots still coming in., The permanent civil service county election workers are of course the standard affirmative action black women.

    How many mail in ballots will they find in the next week? Most post office workers are black Hispanic and asian. They’re the ones who set the date stamps on mail. There’s nothing to prevent them from stamping thousands of hastily printed mail in ballots November 8.

    If Bass the black woman is elected crime will rise and rise because the police will be ordered to stand down even more than they do now.

    If Caruso the White man is elected nothing will change.

    Bass’s top aides are all White men.

    And the men of UNZ stupidly believe White women vote democrat because of abortion.

    The Republican Party is not the party of the White race or White men. They’re not a real political party at all. Just the pathetic remnants of a pro big business party.

    I’m sure the 1922 election commission didn’t announce the day after the election it would take a week to count the mayoral election ballots.,

    The Men of UNZ the Men of UNZ whose only political interest is abortion and teen and younger girls. How many of you Men of UNZ are even aware of affirmative action and other discrimination against Whites? Not many you’re only concerned with abortion, teen girls and defending Jeff Epstein. Maybe if any of you men of UNZ had children you’d be concerned with affirmative action. The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.

    Replies: @SFG, @Renard

    , @Guest29048
    @ngzax

    Agree.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/09/big-picture-2020-midterm-elections-highlights-distinct-difference-between-ballots-and-votes/

    "Where votes were the focus, the Biden administration suffered losses. Where ballots were the focus, the Biden administration won."

    "Perhaps the two states most reflective of ‘ballots’ being more important than ‘votes’ are Michigan and Pennsylvania. … Whitmer and Fetterman were not campaigning for votes, that is old school. Instead, the machinery behind both candidates focused on the modern path. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection and ignored the irrelevant votes as cast.

    "Since the advent of ballot centric focus through mail-in and collection drop-off processes, votes have become increasingly less valuable amid the organizers who wish to control election outcomes."

  32. @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Agreed. Trump opened the way but he didn’t understand governing. DeSantis understands government and can get things done. And he’s not afraid to smack around the occasional corporation.

    Replies: @Curle

    See Cam Gilson’s comment.

    Trump’s his own man in a way DeSantis never can be. It matters.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Curle

    He didn't govern that way. His America First Foundation (all Rovians) suggests the opposite.

    At minimum he's Charles Kushner's man. See Mickey Kaus for the backstory there.

    , @aNewBanner
    @Curle

    Trump being his own man hurts his cause. Our country desperately needs a (political) revolution that eliminates USG and all of its supporting institutional power. GAE must die so that USA can survive. That can only happen if some part of the political elite supports the revolution. Trump has the opposite effect. He unites the elites against him. He turns revolution into a revolt, and revolts are easily crushed.

    By the way, this doesn’t mean that DeSantis is a revolutionary figure. He might betray the cause as much as a Romney or be controlled opposition. Trump is a counter-revolutionary figure. If he sets off the revolution, it will be because something happened to him, not through his own personal agency.

  33. @Jack D
    LOL. You left out the fire-eaters and the dwarves.

    If you think Dr. Oz is strange you should meet Fetterman. There's a man who could really get a job with the circus.

    Replies: @mc23, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anon

    Ohhh! I just noticed the long haired Semitic looking gent has a ukelele. I was trying to figure who he was. Not Keith Richards after all!😮

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Looks like Tiny Tim of the late 60s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_%28musician%29

  34. @Cam Gilson
    Yeah, what the hell was Trump thinking supporting Herschel Walker and Mehmet Oz. What a freak show.
    They were obviously just there to be non-white for reasons… So Trump supports a black guy with limited brain functionality and a Muslim dude, presumably to appease the donor class. Then they lose and Trump looks like a loser. Then the donor class uses this as an opportunity to support Ron DeSanctimonious lol. What a stupid night. In Trump’s own words “how stupid can you get?”.

    Replies: @Curle

    “ Trump supports a black guy with limited brain functionality”

    Unfortunately this is the one thing both the Ds and the Ryan/Bush Republicans can agree on; the desirability of such an candidate.

  35. @Curle
    @SFG

    See Cam Gilson’s comment.

    Trump’s his own man in a way DeSantis never can be. It matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @aNewBanner

    He didn’t govern that way. His America First Foundation (all Rovians) suggests the opposite.

    At minimum he’s Charles Kushner’s man. See Mickey Kaus for the backstory there.

  36. @Nicholas Stix
    @Anon7


    "Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election...."
     
    Prior to the election, voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities. Try again.

    "Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up."
     
    In other words, there was again massive election fraud in michigan.

    "Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing."
     
    Your mischief-making suggsts you're a Bill Kristol "republican," like Mona Charen.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Anon7

    What is wrong with Michigan and why is it so different politically from Ohio?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @ATBOTL

    I'm not so sure that it is it's just that DeWine was in office for COVID instead of Whitmer. Lockdowns were likely bad policy but they were popular and both governors "followed the science" throughout and got rewarded with coattails. Mich gov race was closer than Ohio. Ohio Ds did well down ballot with some strong candidates. Vance grew up in union Middletown so could speak that language better than almost any other R candidate would have.

    As for abortion Vance, like DeSantis, was able to distinguish himself from the Pence types by advocating Euro-style limits that (correctly) made the Ds look like the extremists. Michigan Rs evidently followed their brain-dead Rove consultants and avoided it letting the Ds define the debate.

    Bottom line is that Ohio probably has more fondness for blacks since we don't have a Detroit (and do take some pride in the Underground Railroad) so the importance of abortion in controlling black population is less pressing.

  37. @Nicholas Stix
    @Anon7


    "Just so you can tell the future in your state, here’s how it went in Michigan. Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, the state had a huge turnout, twice that of the last mid term election...."
     
    Prior to the election, voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities. Try again.

    "Almost 2 million votes were cast by mail, compared to 4.5 million people showing up."
     
    In other words, there was again massive election fraud in michigan.

    "Joe Biden got his marching orders from the country; everything is fine and he’s not going to change a thing."
     
    Your mischief-making suggsts you're a Bill Kristol "republican," like Mona Charen.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Anon7

    “..voters said abortion was about tenth on their list of priorities.”

    In Michigan, the attack ads against the Republican candidate for Governor focused on one issue – abortion. That’s why all those Democrat women turned out.

    Women focus more on their negative emotions, and the abortion issue sets them off, true all around the country.

    As far as election fraud is concerned, obviously, we’ll never know, but any system that returns 90+ percent of incumbents to office will not be willingly altered by any politician.

    As for your last point, do you read the news?

    Joe Biden Defiant: Red Wave ‘Didn’t Happen’ and ‘I’m Not Going to Change Anything’/a>

    “I’m not going to change anything in any fundamental way,” Biden said…

    When reporters asked the president about the future of his agenda and what he would change, Biden replied, “Nothing.”

  38. @Curle
    @SFG

    See Cam Gilson’s comment.

    Trump’s his own man in a way DeSantis never can be. It matters.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @aNewBanner

    Trump being his own man hurts his cause. Our country desperately needs a (political) revolution that eliminates USG and all of its supporting institutional power. GAE must die so that USA can survive. That can only happen if some part of the political elite supports the revolution. Trump has the opposite effect. He unites the elites against him. He turns revolution into a revolt, and revolts are easily crushed.

    By the way, this doesn’t mean that DeSantis is a revolutionary figure. He might betray the cause as much as a Romney or be controlled opposition. Trump is a counter-revolutionary figure. If he sets off the revolution, it will be because something happened to him, not through his own personal agency.

  39. @ATBOTL
    @Nicholas Stix

    What is wrong with Michigan and why is it so different politically from Ohio?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I’m not so sure that it is it’s just that DeWine was in office for COVID instead of Whitmer. Lockdowns were likely bad policy but they were popular and both governors “followed the science” throughout and got rewarded with coattails. Mich gov race was closer than Ohio. Ohio Ds did well down ballot with some strong candidates. Vance grew up in union Middletown so could speak that language better than almost any other R candidate would have.

    As for abortion Vance, like DeSantis, was able to distinguish himself from the Pence types by advocating Euro-style limits that (correctly) made the Ds look like the extremists. Michigan Rs evidently followed their brain-dead Rove consultants and avoided it letting the Ds define the debate.

    Bottom line is that Ohio probably has more fondness for blacks since we don’t have a Detroit (and do take some pride in the Underground Railroad) so the importance of abortion in controlling black population is less pressing.

  40. Trump is poison. He needs to go away, retire to one his country clubs and play golf. If he won’t withdraw from public life voluntarily, the Republican Party should start trying to make him do so.

    Maybe some Republicans should investigate where all that “Stop the Steal” money actually went to.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @GeraldB
    @Mr. Anon

    There's a reason political parties don't nominate the guy that lost the last time.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  41. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Jack D

    Ohhh! I just noticed the long haired Semitic looking gent has a ukelele. I was trying to figure who he was. Not Keith Richards after all!😮

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Looks like Tiny Tim of the late 60s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_%28musician%29

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldlan
  42. @Colin Wright
    @Altai

    '...Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @HammerJack

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    However she is WEF approved.

  43. @HammerJack
    @pirelli

    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell...

    https://i.ibb.co/1KBDyN0/Screenshot-20221109-203505-Firefox.jpg

    "Candidate Quality" is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn't make so much difference. In the real world, however, the horror-show candidates aren't always matched up with one another, as they were last night in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    Replies: @Russ, @Indiana Jack

    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell…

    WSJ criticism of Trump is justified and even helpful, so long as it focuses on his primary weakness — his dubious personnel decisions. The nutshell seems to have much less room for the McMediocrities (McCarthy, McConnell, Ronna McDaniel) whose candidate campaign funding decisions were equally dubious. And then there’s this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1590448543495774208

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Russ

    CNN can't explain how its own exit polls line up with the results. If Trump were such a drag on the results, why would 70%+ say they are dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed , but the majority of them vote Democrat? Trump may be a buffoon, but he still draws massive crowds that no other politician can come close to drawing. Yet, people are supposed to believe that the candidates running against Trump endorsed candidates, like Killary in 2016 and Biden in 2020, who play to empty high school gymnasiums, are winning in landslides, including dead candidates, and candidates that can't complete a thought. Nothing to see here, move along.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  44. @Jack D
    LOL. You left out the fire-eaters and the dwarves.

    If you think Dr. Oz is strange you should meet Fetterman. There's a man who could really get a job with the circus.

    Replies: @mc23, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anon

    Speaking of circuses, I defy anyone to state that Fetterman’s long lost twin isn’t Peter Boyle.

  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    If being an Establishment-approved, successful governor of Florida was all it took to be President, we’d be in the final two years of the Jeb! administration right now.

    BTW, Lake, Masters, and Walker could all still end up winning.

    • Thanks: Russ
  46. @ATBOTL
    I can't believe how many "dissident right" white men won't mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire "dissident right" is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    Replies: @Muse, @Marquis, @BosTex, @Cato, @RadicalCenter

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @BosTex

    "Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam."

    Technically, Sufism is similar to the Ba' hai's, it's not a part of orthodox Islam and they've faced persecution in the past.

    The problem with Oz, is that he wasn't really known as being a part of any one state. He was a celebrity but in an odd sort of way. Oprah's pal, someone who hung out on daytime cable TV, etc. etc.

    Because he had no prior public service experience, and had no direct connection to the state of PA, there was some speculation that he wasn't even born in the US. So it was easy for the Democrats to define him: typical richie rich, out of touch, has a dozen homes all over the world, flip flops on a multitude of issues, can't be trusted to take a stance on anything, doesn't offer any new policy, just talking points, etc. A wondering nomad, yes, Mitt Romney could get away with that, primarily because his dad was governor of MI, and as a Mormon, was connected to a US based faith.

    The political ads on youtube had a field day defining Oz: who is he really?

    Interested in the backstory of exactly how he got the GOP nomination. Usually when a non entity gets the nomination it suggests that the party doesn't believe that they can win. But any legitimate GOP candidate with actual public experience could've done better vs Fetterman.

    , @Cam Gilson
    @BosTex

    Lol, Oz’s DNA is probably like 99% European. Maybe his ancestors were like Greeks or Romans or east-European Balkans janissaries for the Ottomans. That’s my bet.
    But he’s still a weird outsider who was a New York entertainment guy who wasn’t involved in Pennsylvania at all. He was a weird candidate.

    , @Alden
    @BosTex

    The men of UNZ believe only British, Germans and Scandinavians are White. The only White ethnic groups come from north of the Rhine River

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Travis
    @BosTex

    Oz lost because he was a Muslim carpetbagger and a citizen of Turkey. Duel citizens should not be allowed to run for congress. Residents of other states should not be running for congress. It was a close election because he is not from Pennsylvania and he is Muslim. I would prefer a brain damaged American Senator than have a foreign citizen in the Senate...especially a Muslim who never lived in Pennsylvania. One bright spot in the election was seeing the Turkish citizen defeated by a white male American citizen with deep ties to his state of Pennsylvania.

    , @Bill Jones
    @BosTex

    The GOP seems to have made a real effort to find the one man who could lose to Strokey.

    , @Corvinus
    @BosTex

    “Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me“

    OK, so he passes YOUR white litmus test. What about others on your ideological side who state otherwise? Who is objectively correct in their racial assessment of OZ? Now, if he appears “pretty white to you”, what about his behaviors? Would you consider him white in that regard?

    And how would address accusations of you being anti-white when you claim that OZ “looks pretty white to me”?

  47. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    LOL. You left out the fire-eaters and the dwarves.

    If you think Dr. Oz is strange you should meet Fetterman. There's a man who could really get a job with the circus.

    Replies: @mc23, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anon

    Fetterman may not last long. Once you’ve had a stroke, it increases your probability of having another one. He is only 53, which is oddly young for a stroke. He used to be really into sports. Is there any possibility he’s been taking steroids? They increase your chance of stroke. It’s also possible that he was using amphetamines to keep himself going on the campaign trail, and they caused the stroke. He wouldn’t be the first politician to campaign on amphetamines.

    He now has a pacemaker, which is not something you usually get after a stroke. It can be used to treat afib or irregular heartbeat. Both steroids and amphetamines increase your probability of developing afib.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    Giants tend not to be long lived and are prone to heart problems. He had afib which caused the stroke (blot clots form and escape into your brain). He had by his own admission neglected his health. It may be too late but he says that he has seen the light now. He did lose 150 lbs. which will surely help and the pacemaker will keep his heart on beat and he is under a doctor's care. Is he going to make it to 90? Probably not but I think he has a good chance of living 6 more years. It's possible that the effects of the stroke will lessen over time. He's gonna be PA's senator now so we have to make the best of it.

  48. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    “Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.”

    Technically, Sufism is similar to the Ba’ hai’s, it’s not a part of orthodox Islam and they’ve faced persecution in the past.

    The problem with Oz, is that he wasn’t really known as being a part of any one state. He was a celebrity but in an odd sort of way. Oprah’s pal, someone who hung out on daytime cable TV, etc. etc.

    Because he had no prior public service experience, and had no direct connection to the state of PA, there was some speculation that he wasn’t even born in the US. So it was easy for the Democrats to define him: typical richie rich, out of touch, has a dozen homes all over the world, flip flops on a multitude of issues, can’t be trusted to take a stance on anything, doesn’t offer any new policy, just talking points, etc. A wondering nomad, yes, Mitt Romney could get away with that, primarily because his dad was governor of MI, and as a Mormon, was connected to a US based faith.

    The political ads on youtube had a field day defining Oz: who is he really?

    Interested in the backstory of exactly how he got the GOP nomination. Usually when a non entity gets the nomination it suggests that the party doesn’t believe that they can win. But any legitimate GOP candidate with actual public experience could’ve done better vs Fetterman.

    • Agree: BosTex
  49. @Colin Wright
    @Altai

    '...Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @HammerJack

    Tulsi Gabbard is not Israel-approved.

    Or you could just use the J word.

    But yeah, she doesn’t like war enough!

  50. anon[380] • Disclaimer says:

    Republican Uniparty apparatchiks and disingenuous jmedia accomplices have been groaning about “Republican candidate quality” for decades, yet when the Dem candidates are literal brain damblaged goons, senile old men, or down with whitey 75IQ negresses, the Dem voters still rush to vote them into power. And no one in the Dem Party or the media complains or expresses even feigned concern.

    Because for Dems, power is all that matters.

    For Republican establishmentarians, personally profiting from Democrat power is all that matters.

    We’ve enterecd a (permanent?) era in American politics when neither side cares about some Old White Civilization idea of “candidate quality” and tribal or ideological affiliation is all that matters.

  51. @ATBOTL
    I can't believe how many "dissident right" white men won't mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire "dissident right" is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    Replies: @Muse, @Marquis, @BosTex, @Cato, @RadicalCenter

    Turks are white. Lots of Turks have blue eyes, and there is the occasional blond. Oz, in my high school, would have been unquestionably accepted as white.

  52. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    Lol, Oz’s DNA is probably like 99% European. Maybe his ancestors were like Greeks or Romans or east-European Balkans janissaries for the Ottomans. That’s my bet.
    But he’s still a weird outsider who was a New York entertainment guy who wasn’t involved in Pennsylvania at all. He was a weird candidate.

    • Agree: Travis, The Anti-Gnostic
  53. On the other hand look who Trump falls for repeatedly:

    https://twitter.com/AmandaMilius/status/1590570317592027136?s=20&t=AiiFaod3tA663E69n-rJbw

    This is why Trump’s lost some of his ability to drive turnout. Trump isn’t very MAGA these days himself.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    This is some sort of inside baseball. What is the reason for the vehement objection to these hires? They seem very upset but I have no idea why.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  54. Ann Coulter must be so happy about last night

  55. Mike Pence in the WSJ

    My Last Days With Donald Trump
    I supported legitimate challenges to the 2020 vote counts. I also recognized that the Constitution didn’t give me authority to override the voters—and I followed my conscience on Jan. 6.

    https://archive.ph/9ffmb

  56. @JohnnyWalker123
    Hmmm.... https://twitter.com/HolmesJosh/status/1590507614248783874

    Replies: @Marquis

    Comms guys don’t know shit about numbers. Or anything, really.

  57. @ngzax
    @Anon7

    you abortion maxis just can’t let it go. it had nothing to do with it.

    in our new ballot-by-mail system large democrat-run cities can generate whatever turnout they need to win any statewide offices. as there are no observers allowed to the counting they can always win. see pa/philadelphia for the same effect.

    now that this is clearly a winning strategy and won’t be caught/stopped even pols as dumb as the republicans are catching on and will do the same, see FL.

    we are moving to an either blue or red state model. no purple.

    Replies: @Alden, @Guest29048

    These anti abortion obsessed men of UNZ are so stupid they’ve never looked at abortion statistics . It’s black and Hispanic women who get abortions. And we Whites don’t need more affirmative action beneficiaries criminals and racial enemies in America.

    Mayor election in Los Angeles. Black Marxist woman weather underground Venceremos Brigade trained for a year in Cuba. Hates Whites Her congressional district is one of those bizarro gerrymanders that connect the old black thug ghetto Crenshaw district with wealthy Jewish Hancock Park and West Los Angeles.

    The other is a White man real estate developer. A conservative Democrat. Which in Los Angeles means not a frothing anti White Marxist.

    Both platforms are exactly the same.

    County Election Commission will continue counting mail in ballots dated November 8 for a week. Mail in ballots sent through the post office are dated like other mail. But the ballots put into those sidewalk ballot boxes don’t have post office stamps. Any number of ballots without post office date stamps can suddenly appear. And there’s no way to tell what day they were put in the collection boxes.

    As of 9 pm Wednesday the election commission announced it might take a week to count all the mail in ballots still coming in., The permanent civil service county election workers are of course the standard affirmative action black women.

    How many mail in ballots will they find in the next week? Most post office workers are black Hispanic and asian. They’re the ones who set the date stamps on mail. There’s nothing to prevent them from stamping thousands of hastily printed mail in ballots November 8.

    If Bass the black woman is elected crime will rise and rise because the police will be ordered to stand down even more than they do now.

    If Caruso the White man is elected nothing will change.

    Bass’s top aides are all White men.

    And the men of UNZ stupidly believe White women vote democrat because of abortion.

    The Republican Party is not the party of the White race or White men. They’re not a real political party at all. Just the pathetic remnants of a pro big business party.

    I’m sure the 1922 election commission didn’t announce the day after the election it would take a week to count the mayoral election ballots.,

    The Men of UNZ the Men of UNZ whose only political interest is abortion and teen and younger girls. How many of you Men of UNZ are even aware of affirmative action and other discrimination against Whites? Not many you’re only concerned with abortion, teen girls and defending Jeff Epstein. Maybe if any of you men of UNZ had children you’d be concerned with affirmative action. The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Alden

    Lots of us talk about affirmative action against white men.

    , @Renard
    @Alden


    The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.
     
    You're as stupid as Tiny Duck, but without his charm.
  58. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    The men of UNZ believe only British, Germans and Scandinavians are White. The only White ethnic groups come from north of the Rhine River

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Alden

    British?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/27/03/55849333-10656167-image-m-4_1648347307838.jpg

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200825081737-restricted-file-sean-connery-2017-super-tease.jpg

    https://images.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2005/14/6524588_110583272978.jpg

  59. @Alden
    @BosTex

    The men of UNZ believe only British, Germans and Scandinavians are White. The only White ethnic groups come from north of the Rhine River

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    British?

  60. 1) I like Doctor Oz. Why does everyone dislike him? A very intelligent and accomplished man with a wonderful family. He would have made a fine Governor, and certainly better than Fetterman who is an adult child.

    2) I still like Trump. He’s made mistakes by not denouncing the vaccine mandate and keeping Ivanka/Kushner close at hand. He should never say the words Jew or Israel and do everything he can to dismantle the U.S. War Machine. Get rid of Kushner for God’s F-ING Sakes!

    3) DeSantis is great. But…he’d make a better Vice President for now. He needs to see how everything works, stay in the background, and make a list of ‘Good Guys I can Trust for My Own Presidency’

    4) DeSantis- The only fear I have is that he’ll get us into wars. It’s his facial structure. He’s burly and likes to bark. War would be a nice fit for him. I hope I’m wrong.

    5) Republicans/Conservatives need to make an attack on every Justice Department Imaginable. A Christian Coalition of Lawyers needs to get entrenched…cuz the Jews and Black Women are suing Republicans and Everything Republicans do right and left. We aren’t safe until the Courts/Lawyers are not so lopsided.

  61. @Alden
    @ngzax

    These anti abortion obsessed men of UNZ are so stupid they’ve never looked at abortion statistics . It’s black and Hispanic women who get abortions. And we Whites don’t need more affirmative action beneficiaries criminals and racial enemies in America.

    Mayor election in Los Angeles. Black Marxist woman weather underground Venceremos Brigade trained for a year in Cuba. Hates Whites Her congressional district is one of those bizarro gerrymanders that connect the old black thug ghetto Crenshaw district with wealthy Jewish Hancock Park and West Los Angeles.

    The other is a White man real estate developer. A conservative Democrat. Which in Los Angeles means not a frothing anti White Marxist.

    Both platforms are exactly the same.

    County Election Commission will continue counting mail in ballots dated November 8 for a week. Mail in ballots sent through the post office are dated like other mail. But the ballots put into those sidewalk ballot boxes don’t have post office stamps. Any number of ballots without post office date stamps can suddenly appear. And there’s no way to tell what day they were put in the collection boxes.

    As of 9 pm Wednesday the election commission announced it might take a week to count all the mail in ballots still coming in., The permanent civil service county election workers are of course the standard affirmative action black women.

    How many mail in ballots will they find in the next week? Most post office workers are black Hispanic and asian. They’re the ones who set the date stamps on mail. There’s nothing to prevent them from stamping thousands of hastily printed mail in ballots November 8.

    If Bass the black woman is elected crime will rise and rise because the police will be ordered to stand down even more than they do now.

    If Caruso the White man is elected nothing will change.

    Bass’s top aides are all White men.

    And the men of UNZ stupidly believe White women vote democrat because of abortion.

    The Republican Party is not the party of the White race or White men. They’re not a real political party at all. Just the pathetic remnants of a pro big business party.

    I’m sure the 1922 election commission didn’t announce the day after the election it would take a week to count the mayoral election ballots.,

    The Men of UNZ the Men of UNZ whose only political interest is abortion and teen and younger girls. How many of you Men of UNZ are even aware of affirmative action and other discrimination against Whites? Not many you’re only concerned with abortion, teen girls and defending Jeff Epstein. Maybe if any of you men of UNZ had children you’d be concerned with affirmative action. The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.

    Replies: @SFG, @Renard

    Lots of us talk about affirmative action against white men.

  62. @Marquis
    Was Walker that bad (especially compared to Warnock) or was it a repudiation of Trump? Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.

    Kushner is probably still wondering why they didn’t win the black vote in Atlanta.


    Trump can run in 2024 but he’ll need an interesting strategy. I can’t imagine him winning Georgia or Wisconsin at this point. He would have to offset with Nevada most likely.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @nokangaroos, @LondonBob

    Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.

    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict. There are far more immigrants and transplants in Georgia than there were 20 or 25 years ago. Demographic change and corruption make voting hard to predict.

    After 2022, why would anyone trust any election, anyway? The key to successful election fraud would be to keep it close all along, don’t stop to count, and don’t gloat.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @OilcanFloyd


    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict.
     
    ... or the shitshow surrounding Kemp, who did nothing about, and was almost certainly in on, the rigged 2020 election, may have been the difference.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @OilcanFloyd

    Troll? What exactly do you disagree with, Corvinius, and how is it trolling?

  63. @Mr. Anon
    Trump is poison. He needs to go away, retire to one his country clubs and play golf. If he won't withdraw from public life voluntarily, the Republican Party should start trying to make him do so.

    Maybe some Republicans should investigate where all that "Stop the Steal" money actually went to.

    Replies: @GeraldB

    There’s a reason political parties don’t nominate the guy that lost the last time.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @GeraldB

    Grover Cleveland being the exception, and technically Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Bryan, Stevenson, and Nixon.

  64. How Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Developed Mister Sailer…

  65. @Alden
    @ngzax

    These anti abortion obsessed men of UNZ are so stupid they’ve never looked at abortion statistics . It’s black and Hispanic women who get abortions. And we Whites don’t need more affirmative action beneficiaries criminals and racial enemies in America.

    Mayor election in Los Angeles. Black Marxist woman weather underground Venceremos Brigade trained for a year in Cuba. Hates Whites Her congressional district is one of those bizarro gerrymanders that connect the old black thug ghetto Crenshaw district with wealthy Jewish Hancock Park and West Los Angeles.

    The other is a White man real estate developer. A conservative Democrat. Which in Los Angeles means not a frothing anti White Marxist.

    Both platforms are exactly the same.

    County Election Commission will continue counting mail in ballots dated November 8 for a week. Mail in ballots sent through the post office are dated like other mail. But the ballots put into those sidewalk ballot boxes don’t have post office stamps. Any number of ballots without post office date stamps can suddenly appear. And there’s no way to tell what day they were put in the collection boxes.

    As of 9 pm Wednesday the election commission announced it might take a week to count all the mail in ballots still coming in., The permanent civil service county election workers are of course the standard affirmative action black women.

    How many mail in ballots will they find in the next week? Most post office workers are black Hispanic and asian. They’re the ones who set the date stamps on mail. There’s nothing to prevent them from stamping thousands of hastily printed mail in ballots November 8.

    If Bass the black woman is elected crime will rise and rise because the police will be ordered to stand down even more than they do now.

    If Caruso the White man is elected nothing will change.

    Bass’s top aides are all White men.

    And the men of UNZ stupidly believe White women vote democrat because of abortion.

    The Republican Party is not the party of the White race or White men. They’re not a real political party at all. Just the pathetic remnants of a pro big business party.

    I’m sure the 1922 election commission didn’t announce the day after the election it would take a week to count the mayoral election ballots.,

    The Men of UNZ the Men of UNZ whose only political interest is abortion and teen and younger girls. How many of you Men of UNZ are even aware of affirmative action and other discrimination against Whites? Not many you’re only concerned with abortion, teen girls and defending Jeff Epstein. Maybe if any of you men of UNZ had children you’d be concerned with affirmative action. The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.

    Replies: @SFG, @Renard

    The fact that you men of UNZ ignore affirmative action is proof this is a celibate old bachelor website.

    You’re as stupid as Tiny Duck, but without his charm.

  66. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Fetterman may not last long. Once you've had a stroke, it increases your probability of having another one. He is only 53, which is oddly young for a stroke. He used to be really into sports. Is there any possibility he's been taking steroids? They increase your chance of stroke. It's also possible that he was using amphetamines to keep himself going on the campaign trail, and they caused the stroke. He wouldn't be the first politician to campaign on amphetamines.

    He now has a pacemaker, which is not something you usually get after a stroke. It can be used to treat afib or irregular heartbeat. Both steroids and amphetamines increase your probability of developing afib.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Giants tend not to be long lived and are prone to heart problems. He had afib which caused the stroke (blot clots form and escape into your brain). He had by his own admission neglected his health. It may be too late but he says that he has seen the light now. He did lose 150 lbs. which will surely help and the pacemaker will keep his heart on beat and he is under a doctor’s care. Is he going to make it to 90? Probably not but I think he has a good chance of living 6 more years. It’s possible that the effects of the stroke will lessen over time. He’s gonna be PA’s senator now so we have to make the best of it.

  67. @Desiderius
    On the other hand look who Trump falls for repeatedly:

    https://twitter.com/AmandaMilius/status/1590570317592027136?s=20&t=AiiFaod3tA663E69n-rJbw

    This is why Trump’s lost some of his ability to drive turnout. Trump isn’t very MAGA these days himself.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is some sort of inside baseball. What is the reason for the vehement objection to these hires? They seem very upset but I have no idea why.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    It's not inside. McMullin just ran against Lee in Utah.

    Trump was nominated (and emphatically re-nominated) to get the albatross of the Bush/McCain GOP off of the necks of the present-day GOP. Rove especially is absolute electoral poison.

    As with many things he talks a big game (he tries lines out at his rallies to see what gets a response then jumps in front of whatever parade he sees coming) but lacks in follow-through, so whatever organization he nominally heads is staffed by his (and our) rivals.

  68. @tyrone

    DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate
     
    ......who will also elicit a psychotic reaction from the democrats and mainstream media.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Exactly. During the primaries they will promote him as such (if it suits them, or maybe they would prefer Trump on the ballot so they won’t) and the minute he gets on the November ballot there will be all sorts of stories about how he tortures kittens and is a child molester and a rapist and so on.

  69. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    Oz lost because he was a Muslim carpetbagger and a citizen of Turkey. Duel citizens should not be allowed to run for congress. Residents of other states should not be running for congress. It was a close election because he is not from Pennsylvania and he is Muslim. I would prefer a brain damaged American Senator than have a foreign citizen in the Senate…especially a Muslim who never lived in Pennsylvania. One bright spot in the election was seeing the Turkish citizen defeated by a white male American citizen with deep ties to his state of Pennsylvania.

  70. @Marquis
    Was Walker that bad (especially compared to Warnock) or was it a repudiation of Trump? Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.

    Kushner is probably still wondering why they didn’t win the black vote in Atlanta.


    Trump can run in 2024 but he’ll need an interesting strategy. I can’t imagine him winning Georgia or Wisconsin at this point. He would have to offset with Nevada most likely.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @nokangaroos, @LondonBob

    Kushner himself could have run against the House Big (who is now
    blaming Black! men) and won.

  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    Trump had already disqualified himself in my eye, but two more nails in the coffin was his attacking DeSantis twice before his reelection. That’s the typical extremely pathological narcissism we’ve come to expect from him, which will also continue to cripple his political efforts. For example, how little he did for the people under him who were persecuted by the Deep State. That’s going to really limit the quality of the people he’ll be able to retain for the next election.

    For the time being I’m not even going to pay much attention to him, simply because of the high odds the Deep State will take him out before then. See my previous comment in the iSteve topic on his new column, they really want to do this if for no other reason than how successful he can attack their status, which would resume in a major way if he got back on the national stage. (On the other hand they’re probably worried about starting a hot shooting civil war, which might even be a valid concern, and it would show the Republic is dead in a standard historical pattern.)

    DeSantis I have my doubts about, as I would expect from any sane person. But is there any other Republican delivering more real pain to our enemies right now? That’s important data.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    During the primaries the Democrats actually bolstered some Trump sponsored candidates because they thought (in many cases correctly) that they would be easier to defeat in the general election.

    I think that the Democrats would LOVE to see a damaged Trump run again. If he is the nominee they get to rerun the 2020 election again with the same result and if he doesn't he will in Trump fashion do damage to DeSantis or whoever the Republican nominee is.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  72. @pirelli
    McConnell had it exactly right back in August when he referred to “candidate quality” issues in the context of explaining why he didn’t like the R’s odds of taking the Senate.

    That was before the full scope of Herschel’s issues became clear, but I imagine McConnell had an inkling…

    What a joke. Pathetically weak crop of candidates plus the Dobbs decision turned a red wave into a trickle.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @That Would Be Telling

    McConnell had it exactly right back in August when he referred to “candidate quality” issues in the context of explaining why he didn’t like the R’s odds of taking the Senate.

    Besides it being a potentially useful attack on Trump, who he hates, it’s useful distraction from his and his caucus’ efforts to lose the election, else they’d be expected to deliver results for which they have no stomach to even attempt. Can you imagine him or Kevin McCarthy zeroing the Geheime Staatspolizei’s FBI’s budget? I snipped your comment on Walker, but:

    What a joke. Pathetically weak crop of candidates plus the Dobbs decision turned a red wave into a trickle.

    That’s a funny way to describe a widespread vote cheating system. McConnell being a part of the general establishment won’t bring it up, especially since it rid him of dealing with the BAD ORANGE MAN, but his argument devolves to “poor Trump candidates means the Democrats won’t have to cheat so much and so visibly.”

    Which in the earliest bit of data I’ve seen show the usual “Red mirage” pattern for Walker. And, yes, Republicans generally won in Georgia; while you could discuss candidate quality for Stacey Abrams, we saw in 2020 cheating in that state is fully bipartisan. Which if it becomes a pattern is an even worse problem for the Republic, not that a codominion hasn’t been a pattern all my life for the two parties.

  73. @That Would Be Telling
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Trump had already disqualified himself in my eye, but two more nails in the coffin was his attacking DeSantis twice before his reelection. That's the typical extremely pathological narcissism we've come to expect from him, which will also continue to cripple his political efforts. For example, how little he did for the people under him who were persecuted by the Deep State. That's going to really limit the quality of the people he'll be able to retain for the next election.

    For the time being I'm not even going to pay much attention to him, simply because of the high odds the Deep State will take him out before then. See my previous comment in the iSteve topic on his new column, they really want to do this if for no other reason than how successful he can attack their status, which would resume in a major way if he got back on the national stage. (On the other hand they're probably worried about starting a hot shooting civil war, which might even be a valid concern, and it would show the Republic is dead in a standard historical pattern.)

    DeSantis I have my doubts about, as I would expect from any sane person. But is there any other Republican delivering more real pain to our enemies right now? That's important data.

    Replies: @Jack D

    During the primaries the Democrats actually bolstered some Trump sponsored candidates because they thought (in many cases correctly) that they would be easier to defeat in the general election.

    I think that the Democrats would LOVE to see a damaged Trump run again. If he is the nominee they get to rerun the 2020 election again with the same result and if he doesn’t he will in Trump fashion do damage to DeSantis or whoever the Republican nominee is.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Jack D

    They also promoted Trump in 2016, he was actually the only candidate Hilary could lose to, who else could have won the rust belt?

    Thought the candidates in Arizona had done well, if they ever count the votes, seems like they are refusing to at the moment. Vance also did well, despite efforts to sabotage them, by their own side.

    The Democrats are doing everything in their power to stop Trump running again, as are the like of Paul Ryan, because they know Trump will win.

  74. You guys do realize that the biggest chunk of ancestry in Europe (and overwhelmingly so in the South) is Anatolian farmer? Anatolia was later (more recently) overtaken by the Turk people out of NW China, but by the time they got to Turkey their ancestry was pretty diluted. The average Southern European is basically an Anatolian farmer, as is the average Turk with some minor differences in terms of Yamnaya ancestry vs. Turk (East Asian) ancestry that don’t really show that much, as well as some convergence (people in Turkey got CHG directly and Europeans got it through Yamnaya).

    I agree though that in a state like Pennsylvania a lot of people won’t vote for a Muslim. PA has an excellent track record of electing some pretty hardcore right-wingers in a Democratic leaning state. It’s unclear why they chose to take a chance on Dr. Oz.

  75. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    This is some sort of inside baseball. What is the reason for the vehement objection to these hires? They seem very upset but I have no idea why.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It’s not inside. McMullin just ran against Lee in Utah.

    Trump was nominated (and emphatically re-nominated) to get the albatross of the Bush/McCain GOP off of the necks of the present-day GOP. Rove especially is absolute electoral poison.

    As with many things he talks a big game (he tries lines out at his rallies to see what gets a response then jumps in front of whatever parade he sees coming) but lacks in follow-through, so whatever organization he nominally heads is staffed by his (and our) rivals.

  76. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    The GOP seems to have made a real effort to find the one man who could lose to Strokey.

  77. And who says there’s no good news?
    Back in the Real World ( Who says satire is dead?) we have this.

    Elon Musk scraps Twitter’s work from home policy

    New owner emails staff to say he will personally vet any circumstances that require remote working

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/10/elon-musk-scraps-twitter-work-home-staff

    Musk may be a man of many shortcomings but you have to admit he has a genius for pissing off all the right people.

  78. It will take a real act of diplomacy on the part of the Republicans to convince Trump to retire — you have to believe that if their fundraising machine survives the impending recession, the Democrats will be happy to drive dump trucks of cash his way to prop up a run as an independent if need be.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Carbon blob

    No need for Democrats. Get your popcorn ready. War starts:

    https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1590842213004869632

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  79. @ngzax
    @Anon7

    you abortion maxis just can’t let it go. it had nothing to do with it.

    in our new ballot-by-mail system large democrat-run cities can generate whatever turnout they need to win any statewide offices. as there are no observers allowed to the counting they can always win. see pa/philadelphia for the same effect.

    now that this is clearly a winning strategy and won’t be caught/stopped even pols as dumb as the republicans are catching on and will do the same, see FL.

    we are moving to an either blue or red state model. no purple.

    Replies: @Alden, @Guest29048

    Agree.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/09/big-picture-2020-midterm-elections-highlights-distinct-difference-between-ballots-and-votes/

    “Where votes were the focus, the Biden administration suffered losses. Where ballots were the focus, the Biden administration won.”

    “Perhaps the two states most reflective of ‘ballots’ being more important than ‘votes’ are Michigan and Pennsylvania. … Whitmer and Fetterman were not campaigning for votes, that is old school. Instead, the machinery behind both candidates focused on the modern path. The Democrat machines in both states focused on ballot collection and ignored the irrelevant votes as cast.

    “Since the advent of ballot centric focus through mail-in and collection drop-off processes, votes have become increasingly less valuable amid the organizers who wish to control election outcomes.”

  80. Jeopardy had an exhibition match featuring their 3 super champions from last season. The MtF tranny now sports a big ugly arm tattoo. The white male Aspie has gained a little weight. The Canadian Lesbian with a septum ring now goes by “they.”

  81. @Carbon blob
    It will take a real act of diplomacy on the part of the Republicans to convince Trump to retire — you have to believe that if their fundraising machine survives the impending recession, the Democrats will be happy to drive dump trucks of cash his way to prop up a run as an independent if need be.

    Replies: @epebble

    No need for Democrats. Get your popcorn ready. War starts:

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @epebble

    Trump is both running interference for the Retard-in-Chief, and keeping he and DeSantis at the front of the news cycle.

  82. @HammerJack
    @pirelli

    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell...

    https://i.ibb.co/1KBDyN0/Screenshot-20221109-203505-Firefox.jpg

    "Candidate Quality" is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn't make so much difference. In the real world, however, the horror-show candidates aren't always matched up with one another, as they were last night in Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    Replies: @Russ, @Indiana Jack

    “Candidate Quality” is a serious issue for both parties. But if they are equally bad, it doesn’t make so much difference.

    Even if two candidates are equally bad, the Republican will suffer more than the Democrat. Bad Republican candidates will have their faults constantly highlighted by the press, ridiculed by comedians, and they will be regularly referred to as “extremists” by the mainstream media. Bad Democratic candidates will face no such problems, and will in fact see the media (outside of a few conservative outlets) covering for them, ignoring their gaffes, and refusing to cover stories that might embarrass them.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  83. @GeraldB
    @Mr. Anon

    There's a reason political parties don't nominate the guy that lost the last time.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Grover Cleveland being the exception, and technically Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Bryan, Stevenson, and Nixon.

  84. @epebble
    @Carbon blob

    No need for Democrats. Get your popcorn ready. War starts:

    https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1590842213004869632

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Trump is both running interference for the Retard-in-Chief, and keeping he and DeSantis at the front of the news cycle.

  85. @Altai
    Make something disreputable to say only the disreputable or those who don't care about becoming disreputable will say it.

    Of course, without Bannon and with Kushner still there Trumpism 2.0 won't have the same appeal to those working class voters in the Great Lakes who only vote Republican if Trump is on the ballot.

    And yet with all of the things stacked against Trump and 'Trumpist' candidates (Few seem to be very populist in reality and seem to just be typical Bush Republicans except they're for better borders) they keep getting votes.

    Attempts are being made to turn this energy into something the powers that be can control or turn back against the public and nation, eg the 'Proud Boys' or Ben Shapiro which seek more neoliberal and neocon agendas.

    Trump was necessary but will the next steps be able to take shape in the US? The neocons have started their insane confrontation with Russia, pushing it into an alliance with China which cannot be defeated all for the short-term mission of regime change and general destruction in Syria.

    Perhaps Trump has opened the door for Tulsi Gabbard to try being a Republican candidate where she can actually get nominated and win.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Colin Wright, @LondonBob

    Gabbard is a dumb surfer girl and not remotely conservative except for the fact she is critical of neocon wars, would be another stellar Trump pick, especially as she voted to impeach him!

    To be fair the Republican establishment is more to blame, more interested in stopping Trump.

    • Agree: Liza
  86. @Marquis
    Was Walker that bad (especially compared to Warnock) or was it a repudiation of Trump? Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.

    Kushner is probably still wondering why they didn’t win the black vote in Atlanta.


    Trump can run in 2024 but he’ll need an interesting strategy. I can’t imagine him winning Georgia or Wisconsin at this point. He would have to offset with Nevada most likely.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @nokangaroos, @LondonBob

    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election, ironically Biden still polls the best against Trump.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @LondonBob


    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election,
     
    A fair election is a big assumption.
    , @Corvinus
    @LondonBob

    Not this again.

    Riddle me this. Sydney Powell claimed that the US Army seized servers in Germany that showed how Trump votes were switched to Biden votes. She said she had irrefutable evidence. It’s been two years, so where is her proof?

    Furthermore, dozens of elections officials in red states repeatedly confirmed that Trump lost. And even his closest advisors admitted it to Trump that he didn’t win.

    Fast forward to this election. What specific evidence do you have that shows there was fraud?

  87. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    During the primaries the Democrats actually bolstered some Trump sponsored candidates because they thought (in many cases correctly) that they would be easier to defeat in the general election.

    I think that the Democrats would LOVE to see a damaged Trump run again. If he is the nominee they get to rerun the 2020 election again with the same result and if he doesn't he will in Trump fashion do damage to DeSantis or whoever the Republican nominee is.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    They also promoted Trump in 2016, he was actually the only candidate Hilary could lose to, who else could have won the rust belt?

    Thought the candidates in Arizona had done well, if they ever count the votes, seems like they are refusing to at the moment. Vance also did well, despite efforts to sabotage them, by their own side.

    The Democrats are doing everything in their power to stop Trump running again, as are the like of Paul Ryan, because they know Trump will win.

  88. Is the dude in the middle of the first picture the actual Jack Black? If not, he’s a dead ringer for him. BTW Jack’s mother was Judith Love Cohen, a notable aerospace engineer.

    Also in the first picture is an obviously ersatz Gallagher. The real McCoy died today at 76.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @ScarletNumber

    OK, so it turns out that Jack Black is playing Wolfman Jack (1938-1995), former DJ on XERB1090 in Rosarito Beach, Mexico. The Mexican radio stations were not subject to FCC regulations, so he became famous in the United States as well. He also appeared as himself in American Graffiti (George Lucas, 1973).

  89. @ScarletNumber
    Is the dude in the middle of the first picture the actual Jack Black? If not, he's a dead ringer for him. BTW Jack's mother was Judith Love Cohen, a notable aerospace engineer.

    Also in the first picture is an obviously ersatz Gallagher. The real McCoy died today at 76.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    OK, so it turns out that Jack Black is playing Wolfman Jack (1938-1995), former DJ on XERB1090 in Rosarito Beach, Mexico. The Mexican radio stations were not subject to FCC regulations, so he became famous in the United States as well. He also appeared as himself in American Graffiti (George Lucas, 1973).

  90. @Russ
    @HammerJack


    The WSJ puts it all into a nutshell…
     
    WSJ criticism of Trump is justified and even helpful, so long as it focuses on his primary weakness -- his dubious personnel decisions. The nutshell seems to have much less room for the McMediocrities (McCarthy, McConnell, Ronna McDaniel) whose candidate campaign funding decisions were equally dubious. And then there's this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1590448543495774208

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    CNN can’t explain how its own exit polls line up with the results. If Trump were such a drag on the results, why would 70%+ say they are dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed , but the majority of them vote Democrat? Trump may be a buffoon, but he still draws massive crowds that no other politician can come close to drawing. Yet, people are supposed to believe that the candidates running against Trump endorsed candidates, like Killary in 2016 and Biden in 2020, who play to empty high school gymnasiums, are winning in landslides, including dead candidates, and candidates that can’t complete a thought. Nothing to see here, move along.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Curmudgeon


    CNN can’t explain how its own exit polls line up with the results.
     
    The first thing to remember about US exit polling is that it's expensive, enough so that the media gave up on doing it with some theoretical amount of accuracy years ago, I think more than a decade now.

    Second we have the self-selection of respondents, those willing to tell a nosy stranger on the street stuff that as of late can literally get them killed in real time if they say crimethink, otherwise canceled which of course happens a lot more and is now a major full time effort of the media, "The Left started the culture war, won it, and now roams the countryside shooting the wounded." as the incredibly optimistic Jon Gabriel noted after gay marriage "won" in the US.

    Third this is a public poll, the odds it's not biased by one or more narratives is very low. At a minimum you need to know the actual questions asked and in what sequence, I think this may have something to do with polling "cross tabs" reports which I hear about but have not tried to understand given my general skepticism of public polling I'm detailing here. For other types of polls see for example when Scott Rasmussen exited the business in 2013 saying back then he didn't think his methods were reliable anymore.

    Fourth of course and related to many of the above, top line reporting by CNN etc. will likely avoid the whole story if that strongly violates any particular narrative. Obviously this isn't a 100% thing else we'd be getting (even more??) false reports on "the country is moving in the wrong direction," but lying by omission has been a go-to tool of the Left since I became politically aware between Nixon's two successful elections.

    There's probably more, but the TL;DR is the data is very iffy and hard to interpret. For exit polls, so bad I've been totally ignoring them since the above first mentioned transition. If you want data of this sort I preferred looking a precinct level voting results, but even then those more and more reflect increasingly blatant cheating by Democrats so even more care is needed.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  91. @OilcanFloyd
    @Marquis


    Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.
     
    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict. There are far more immigrants and transplants in Georgia than there were 20 or 25 years ago. Demographic change and corruption make voting hard to predict.

    After 2022, why would anyone trust any election, anyway? The key to successful election fraud would be to keep it close all along, don't stop to count, and don't gloat.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @OilcanFloyd

    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict.

    … or the shitshow surrounding Kemp, who did nothing about, and was almost certainly in on, the rigged 2020 election, may have been the difference.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Curmudgeon

    I don't disagree about Kemp.

  92. @LondonBob
    @Marquis

    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election, ironically Biden still polls the best against Trump.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Corvinus

    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election,

    A fair election is a big assumption.

    • LOL: Liza
  93. @Buzz Mohawk
    Does anyone have anything to say about the upcoming Trump vs. DeSantis contest?


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/13/10/38488B2D00000578-0-image-a-14_1473758026215.jpg


    I mean, I do, but I'm too lazy and happy right now to bother, except to say that DeSantis seems like a much more sane and capable candidate who will probably win the nomination and can indeed win the election in 2024.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Cam Gilson, @SFG, @Hypnotoad666, @That Would Be Telling, @Zumbuddi

    The elephants fight.
    The elephants make love.
    The grass gets trampled.

  94. Lol, so only after the election results come in does Mr. Sailer make a post NOTICING the overall quality of Trump’s hand picked candidates for major elective office. Shows real courage in his part (rolling of eyes).

  95. @LondonBob
    @Marquis

    Trump will win bigly in 2024, in a fair election, ironically Biden still polls the best against Trump.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Corvinus

    Not this again.

    Riddle me this. Sydney Powell claimed that the US Army seized servers in Germany that showed how Trump votes were switched to Biden votes. She said she had irrefutable evidence. It’s been two years, so where is her proof?

    Furthermore, dozens of elections officials in red states repeatedly confirmed that Trump lost. And even his closest advisors admitted it to Trump that he didn’t win.

    Fast forward to this election. What specific evidence do you have that shows there was fraud?

  96. @BosTex
    @ATBOTL

    Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me:

    https://static.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2020/03/dr._oz_-_getty_-_h_2020_-1024x577.jpg

    If you read the Wiki: he is about as close as a prominent Muslim can get regarding renouncing his faith without threat of being killed by the fanatics of his faith.

    Seems that he calls himself a Sufist and this is a very mellow brand of Islam.

    His wife is a Christian as are his children.

    Not pro-Oz or Pro-Trump ( the Rs should have done a lot better).

    Oz doesn’t seem to be a particularly terrible candidate (from the perspective of “not white” “not Christian” etc).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Cam Gilson, @Alden, @Travis, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus

    “Respectfully —- Oz looks pretty white to me“

    OK, so he passes YOUR white litmus test. What about others on your ideological side who state otherwise? Who is objectively correct in their racial assessment of OZ? Now, if he appears “pretty white to you”, what about his behaviors? Would you consider him white in that regard?

    And how would address accusations of you being anti-white when you claim that OZ “looks pretty white to me”?

  97. @Curmudgeon
    @Russ

    CNN can't explain how its own exit polls line up with the results. If Trump were such a drag on the results, why would 70%+ say they are dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed , but the majority of them vote Democrat? Trump may be a buffoon, but he still draws massive crowds that no other politician can come close to drawing. Yet, people are supposed to believe that the candidates running against Trump endorsed candidates, like Killary in 2016 and Biden in 2020, who play to empty high school gymnasiums, are winning in landslides, including dead candidates, and candidates that can't complete a thought. Nothing to see here, move along.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    CNN can’t explain how its own exit polls line up with the results.

    The first thing to remember about US exit polling is that it’s expensive, enough so that the media gave up on doing it with some theoretical amount of accuracy years ago, I think more than a decade now.

    Second we have the self-selection of respondents, those willing to tell a nosy stranger on the street stuff that as of late can literally get them killed in real time if they say crimethink, otherwise canceled which of course happens a lot more and is now a major full time effort of the media, “The Left started the culture war, won it, and now roams the countryside shooting the wounded.” as the incredibly optimistic Jon Gabriel noted after gay marriage “won” in the US.

    Third this is a public poll, the odds it’s not biased by one or more narratives is very low. At a minimum you need to know the actual questions asked and in what sequence, I think this may have something to do with polling “cross tabs” reports which I hear about but have not tried to understand given my general skepticism of public polling I’m detailing here. For other types of polls see for example when Scott Rasmussen exited the business in 2013 saying back then he didn’t think his methods were reliable anymore.

    Fourth of course and related to many of the above, top line reporting by CNN etc. will likely avoid the whole story if that strongly violates any particular narrative. Obviously this isn’t a 100% thing else we’d be getting (even more??) false reports on “the country is moving in the wrong direction,” but lying by omission has been a go-to tool of the Left since I became politically aware between Nixon’s two successful elections.

    There’s probably more, but the TL;DR is the data is very iffy and hard to interpret. For exit polls, so bad I’ve been totally ignoring them since the above first mentioned transition. If you want data of this sort I preferred looking a precinct level voting results, but even then those more and more reflect increasingly blatant cheating by Democrats so even more care is needed.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @That Would Be Telling

    Any poll can be rigged. Questions can be compound rather than singular; the area in which a poll is taken; the predominance of one of the known party affiliations; etc. When they are accurate, it is more of good luck than good planning. Exit polls have their problems as well, for the reasons you list and more. My point was that CNN, which generally has a strained relationship with the truth, was struggling to explain the results, where they would normally have no problem in flat out misrepresenting them. They seemed genuinely confused.

  98. @ATBOTL
    I can't believe how many "dissident right" white men won't mention that Mohammad Oz is a nonwhite muslim and are crying because he lost to a white man. It shows this entire "dissident right" is a fraudulent movement that is going nowhere.

    Replies: @Muse, @Marquis, @BosTex, @Cato, @RadicalCenter

    Actually, like most Turks outside the Kurdish region, he is a substantial part white European genetically — likely much more than he is “central asian.”

    As for Oz being Muslim, he’s secular like his mother’s side of the family was, and all four of his children and all his grandchildren are baptized Christians.

  99. @Muse
    @ATBOTL

    That is because the a majority of the dissident right is concerned about values and political interests, not race and a persons sex, as the left wing pundits would like the populace to believe . This is why people like Justice Thomas, Glenn Loury and Nikki Haley are heroes to many conservatives.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Who are these “conservatives” who allegedly consider Nikki Haley to be a hero?

  100. @Curmudgeon
    @OilcanFloyd


    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict.
     
    ... or the shitshow surrounding Kemp, who did nothing about, and was almost certainly in on, the rigged 2020 election, may have been the difference.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    I don’t disagree about Kemp.

  101. @OilcanFloyd
    @Marquis


    Georgia is an interesting case because Trump endorsed Kemp’s primary opponent and Kemp won anyways. Kemp then over-performed Walker by a wide margin.
     
    Demographic changes in Georgia make it hard to predict. There are far more immigrants and transplants in Georgia than there were 20 or 25 years ago. Demographic change and corruption make voting hard to predict.

    After 2022, why would anyone trust any election, anyway? The key to successful election fraud would be to keep it close all along, don't stop to count, and don't gloat.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @OilcanFloyd

    Troll? What exactly do you disagree with, Corvinius, and how is it trolling?

  102. @That Would Be Telling
    @Curmudgeon


    CNN can’t explain how its own exit polls line up with the results.
     
    The first thing to remember about US exit polling is that it's expensive, enough so that the media gave up on doing it with some theoretical amount of accuracy years ago, I think more than a decade now.

    Second we have the self-selection of respondents, those willing to tell a nosy stranger on the street stuff that as of late can literally get them killed in real time if they say crimethink, otherwise canceled which of course happens a lot more and is now a major full time effort of the media, "The Left started the culture war, won it, and now roams the countryside shooting the wounded." as the incredibly optimistic Jon Gabriel noted after gay marriage "won" in the US.

    Third this is a public poll, the odds it's not biased by one or more narratives is very low. At a minimum you need to know the actual questions asked and in what sequence, I think this may have something to do with polling "cross tabs" reports which I hear about but have not tried to understand given my general skepticism of public polling I'm detailing here. For other types of polls see for example when Scott Rasmussen exited the business in 2013 saying back then he didn't think his methods were reliable anymore.

    Fourth of course and related to many of the above, top line reporting by CNN etc. will likely avoid the whole story if that strongly violates any particular narrative. Obviously this isn't a 100% thing else we'd be getting (even more??) false reports on "the country is moving in the wrong direction," but lying by omission has been a go-to tool of the Left since I became politically aware between Nixon's two successful elections.

    There's probably more, but the TL;DR is the data is very iffy and hard to interpret. For exit polls, so bad I've been totally ignoring them since the above first mentioned transition. If you want data of this sort I preferred looking a precinct level voting results, but even then those more and more reflect increasingly blatant cheating by Democrats so even more care is needed.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    Any poll can be rigged. Questions can be compound rather than singular; the area in which a poll is taken; the predominance of one of the known party affiliations; etc. When they are accurate, it is more of good luck than good planning. Exit polls have their problems as well, for the reasons you list and more. My point was that CNN, which generally has a strained relationship with the truth, was struggling to explain the results, where they would normally have no problem in flat out misrepresenting them. They seemed genuinely confused.

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