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Halloween has been a big winner in the Holiday sweepstakes in my lifetime (with Thanksgiving and Easter as big losers). This is partly because of American adult life becoming more childish, partly a gay thing (gays love playing dress-up), and partly due to young women wanting a socially validated excuse for dressing slutty.

But perhaps now the tide is starting to turn against Halloween:

From the Chicago Tribune:

‘This is completely wrong’: Evanston elementary school ‘cancels’ Halloween due to equity and some parents are not happy about it

By CHRISTEN A. JOHNSON, SEP 27, 2019 | 3:20 PM

Nejra Bajric’s son, a second grader at Lincoln Elementary School in Evanston, waits until his class Halloween party to show off his best costume. This year he’s planning to be Miles Morales, the new Spider-Man, and has a whole head-to-toe ensemble.

His best friends at school won’t see him shoot webs from his wrists though, since Lincoln, along with other Evanston elementary schools, has decided to end — or cancel, as some parents have called it — Halloween traditions during the school day: no party, no costumes, no candy. …

The heart behind the decision, according to a statement from Michelle Cooney, Lincoln’s school principal, was to honor the school’s value of equity and to be inclusive of all students within the community, particularly those who do not celebrate the holiday.

“As part of our school and district-wide commitment to equity, we are focused on building community and creating inclusive, welcoming environments for all,” said Cooney in a statement via e-mail. “While we recognize that Halloween is a fun tradition for many families, it is not a holiday that is celebrated by all members of our school community and for various reasons. There are also inequities in how we have traditionally observed the holiday as part of our school day. Our goal at Lincoln is to provide space and opportunities for all students to be part of the community — not to create an environment that may feel exclusive or unwelcoming to any child.”

The article never explains which Designated Victim Groups are the killjoys. But you can see the Logic of Minoritarianism at work: the more children want to celebrate Halloween and the fewer children who don’t, the bigger the veto given to the minority.

The mom goes on in defense of Halloween:

Bajric said she and her husband “feel strongly” about the decision and the reasoning.

“Halloween is a cultural American holiday, and it’s being canceled because of religious groups,” she said. “We’re a Bosnia and Muslim immigrant and refugee family. Halloween, when we moved (to Chicago) from a different country, was one of the greatest things.”

Bajric, who came to Chicago from Bosnia in 1995 with her family, went to a Chicago public school for elementary school, and for her, Halloween was “a way to assimilate,” she said. Her parents worked two jobs, sometimes gone from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m., she recalled, and celebrating Halloween at school was often the only taste she got of the holiday.

“I didn’t get to celebrate the other holidays,” said Bajric, who remembers Halloween at school being “the best day ever” for her. “Halloween was my way of being like the other kids. Other students from other countries (at Lincoln), they get to feel like the other kids and participate in a cultural holiday.”

I’m starting to sense that white Muslims from the Balkans, like the guy in St. Louis who got hammered to death by Youth of Color shoulting “Kill the white people” in a post-Ferguson wilding, aren’t really on-board with Wokeness.

 
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  1. Just call it the “Day of the Dead” and tough if they don’t like Cultural Appropriation.

    • Agree: Andy
    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Joe Stalin


    Just call it the “Day of the Dead” and tough if they don’t like Cultural Appropriation.
     
    but that is Nov. 2

    Replies: @sayless

    , @Pheasant
    @Joe Stalin

    What makes me laugh is that the Mexicans only have day of the dead parades because of the James Bond movie quantum of solace which set an action sequence among such a parade... the producers not knowing Mexicans did not have them.

  2. We can only do things upon which everyone agrees.

    The trick is forcing everyone to agree on what those things are.

  3. Just a quick comment based on your first sentence. Christmas must be the really big loser. Christmas used to be a major public holiday, with many TV shows having special Christmas editions, and really good singers performing the classic Christmas carols. Christmas (1950’s; first half of the sixties) was a Christian holiday and the US was a Christian nation. What remains of Christmas is maudlin, Godless, and awful, with smiling Hollywood people urging us enjoy a collective Happy Season but refusing to tell us why. I feel like Charlie Brown in the first Peanuts Christmas cartoon.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Jim Given

    It's an art to carefully squeeze all the joy out of life so that everyone is equally miserable.

  4. here the whole spirit of Halloween trick or treating has already been ruined. Kids might get run over or abducted by aliens or something, so rather than letting them walk the neighborhood on packs, parents drive them to a church parking lot, and each parent pops the trunk and the kids collect treats from the trunks.

    I’m not making this up.

    Maybe they’re aren’t enough kids. Maybe houses arent dense enough in suburbs and exurbs. But heck the dentist in town will pay you money to buy the candy off you, so even that aspect of fun is ruined.

    Halloween’s been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult, libs because costumes might mock someone. it was only a matter of time.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Alice


    various Christians sects for fear of the occult
     
    Perhaps they were right for the wrong reason? It certainly feels like a Satanic cabal has taken over the West in recent decades. Only the cabal isn't composed of metalheads and D&D players.

    Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Alice

    I think only fringe religious group kids do the trunk or treat thing.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Alice


    Halloween’s been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult
     
    It was "Christians"-- as if everyone else in town was something else-- that drove the beloved Satan mascot out of Devil's Lake, North Dakota.




    https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-21-at-2-34-15-am.png

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    , @Bill Jones
    @Alice

    The important thing is to find another slutting it up excuse for the nubiles

  5. Yeah, explaining to the wokesters that the Chinese or Palestinian dude they see walking down the street happens to be a reactionary Christian is just as fun for messing with their heads as Bosniaks.

  6. In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas. After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases. Some boys also want video game consoles and games for them, but a hand-me-down PC and basic piracy skills gives you thousands of free video games, and console gaming seems to be adult men more and more.

    So the upshot is, a giant xmas from my childhood with each kid opening 40 toys at home and then another 15 at each Grama’s house, with most of that cheaper physical toys, is now outmoded.

    Thanksgiving however has gotten bigger as cooking has became something the men are more into than before and for both sexes a chance to show off their skills.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Lot

    Thanksgiving has also become bigger than Christmas if you count all the hysteria leading up to Black Friday (or Thursday night).

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Lot


    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas
     
    Aren't you a Jew?

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Pheasant
    @Lot

    They celebrate christmas in your family?

    What would they think in your favourite country israel?

  7. As always, Mr Sailer is spot on with his “why do adults like Halloween.” I have also noticed that females tend to use the holiday to dress, er, in a skimpy fashion. Men seem to favor either an ironic joke or a tribute to a favorite movie.

  8. “…it is not a holiday that is celebrated by all members of our school community,”

    Now Martin Luther King day, that’s a holiday that we can all get behind.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Ozymandias




    Now Martin Luther King day, that’s a holiday that we can all get behind.
     
    right, because it is no fun, just finger wagging, scolding, whining griping, etc.

    Replies: @Rainier Wolfcastle

    , @MBlanc46
    @Ozymandias

    Try telling that, true though it might be, to the principal.

  9. Out of many, one (side gets to dictate).

  10. So Halloween is off since not every family in the school celebrates it, yet I wouldn’t be surprised if that same school celebrates some holidays to “accomodate” some minorities even if they are few in number (say Kwanzaa, Eid al Fitr). I guess the question here if it is the right or the wrong people who celebrates it…like Steve says, it is always about Who Whom

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Andy


    So Halloween is off since not every family in the school celebrates it,
     
    and instead the school will have a "Fall Festival" which is celebrated by absolutely no one.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  11. Where my kid goes to college here in Cali, they’ve turned the week off at Thanksgiving into “Fall Break”, no doubt to not to hurt the feeling of the local casino Injuns….all dozen of them.

  12. Weird.

    Only group I generally encountered that didn’t join in the Halloween consumerism is traditional Christians…

    I think now and then the dutiful but less creative functionaries might misunderstand the official directives. They hear the official line that you aren’t supposed to offend “religious minorities” and mistakenly think that now applies to white christians.

    The special talmudic arithmetic by which ANY number of white christians are always and everywhere the MAJORITY is sometimes too subtle for the delegated administrators.

    BUT… maybe the system is functioning properly and it is out of concern for some obscure group that is supposed to matter?

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Anonymousse

    'Only group I generally encountered that didn’t join in the Halloween consumerism is traditional Christians…'

    Its the Irish pagan holiday of Samhain and halloween was traditionally all saints eve so...

  13. @Alice
    here the whole spirit of Halloween trick or treating has already been ruined. Kids might get run over or abducted by aliens or something, so rather than letting them walk the neighborhood on packs, parents drive them to a church parking lot, and each parent pops the trunk and the kids collect treats from the trunks.

    I'm not making this up.

    Maybe they're aren't enough kids. Maybe houses arent dense enough in suburbs and exurbs. But heck the dentist in town will pay you money to buy the candy off you, so even that aspect of fun is ruined.

    Halloween's been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult, libs because costumes might mock someone. it was only a matter of time.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @S. Anonyia, @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones

    various Christians sects for fear of the occult

    Perhaps they were right for the wrong reason? It certainly feels like a Satanic cabal has taken over the West in recent decades. Only the cabal isn’t composed of metalheads and D&D players.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    @BenKenobi

    Yep. If anything some of the pseudo pagans seem more to be on our side than the atheists and (((seculars))). At any rate, at least for Northern European Catholics, All Hallows Eve used to be a penance day for sharing donuts/candy for the dead and scary stories. It's the Puritanical Scripture-only types that cannot even see a Lord of the Rings movie.

    Funny that a white Muslim complains about lack of inclusivity. Where precisely does a white Muslim fit in? Seems they are more liberal than most Muslims, and/or that they use Halloween as an anti-Christian tradition; but for example, I'm pretty sure that her son wanted to be the normal white Spiderman (and not Miles Morales), and that she would not have tolerated him dressing as Spidergirl...

  14. They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up, and people thought that was mean (on our part). That’s also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school (they don’t celebrate birthdays) or have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    • Replies: @Abe
    @eric


    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up... That’s also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school or have swimming
     
    War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Elimination of all public celebrations is vibrancy.

    But at least we’ll all be brought together as a nation by our continuing fully-paid memberships in the United Purchase Blocs of Amazon Prime.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @eric

    Maine or Minnesota, I’m guessing? Time to run them out of town.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @eric


    have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).
     
    They should have separated the genders and let them swim au natural. Of course, that could be problematic if you acknowledge more than two genders.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @eric


    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up
     
    Let me guess... The Somalis themselves didn't complain. Why would they care? The white goo-goos who fawn on them decided to do this.

    Was Halloween "Sasha'ed"?


    Olympic skater Sasha Cohen "stunned" by Xmas flap

    Replies: @Autochthon

  15. It is only a school that is cancelling Halloween. Personally I do think that schools tend to go a bit overboard all the year round rewarding children with candy, which is not very good for them. That doesn’t stop anyone from celebrating Halloween after school.

    Schools are full of all kinds of stupid ideas, for example last week my kids had “fathers take your kids to school day”, which is supposed to encourage fathers to be involved in the lives of their kids.

    Get real, teachers! I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m. And do you really want mass absenteeism or tardiness from parental places of employment, huge traffic jams close to schools, and so on?

    Please just teach the children the 3 R’s, and stop trying to feed them propaganda about 9/11. My step daughter came home the other day saying that 9/11 was a day on which a bunch of tourists stole airplanes and crashed them. When you teach children, you have to teach stuff that is at a level appropriate to their understanding of the world.

    We have taken care of these children since birth, or actually before, so we do have some ideas about how to be involved in their lives, take them on vacations, take them to the doctor, dentist, optometrist, and so on, which you teachers do not have to do, unless you have your own kids.

    Having said that, Halloween in the small city where I live is delightful, with certain areas having many residents sitting out on their front lawns after handing out candy (including the street where I live), and scores of carloads of parents and children arriving and ambulating on foot, collecting candy, and loving their neighbors as per Old Testament instructions.

    Last year it was such a big thing that there were police cars out directing Halloween traffic, and there was a tremendous festive atmosphere.

    Of course, one must defend the rights, too, of those people who have a religious aversion to candy, are dentists, or have diabetic children, and so on, and not forget that the whole thing is something cooked up by the candy industry to promote sales.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
    @Jonathan Mason

    you just described (more or less, though without the inference of a Dentist/Candy maker Evil Cabal), H-ween when I was a kid, and I'm Sailer's age.

    It was a minor holiday for kids 12 and under mostly. When did it become the second biggest holiday of the year? By the time I got to college it was a one night party (and I happened to attend UCSB, famous the world over for its Halloween, though it was more a provincial affair when I attended and not the news-breaking event it became starting around the mid-90s or so.)

    In the workplace? Yeah I recall a few people dressing. 100% female, and almost all what we would now call cat ladies. I hafta admit I haven't paid a lot of attention lately, other than to notice the popularity and overall buzz has exploded, and wish it would be nice if we could go back to when it was just a quaint minor event exclusively for little kids to score some candy.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Jonathan Mason


    I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m.
     
    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  16. @Joe Stalin
    Just call it the "Day of the Dead" and tough if they don't like Cultural Appropriation.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Pheasant

    Just call it the “Day of the Dead” and tough if they don’t like Cultural Appropriation.

    but that is Nov. 2

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Joe Schmoe

    All Hallow’s Eve, Hallowe’en (October 31) is the night before All Saints Day (November 1). All Souls is November 2nd.

    My birthday is formally, according to my publicly acknowledgeable culture, United Nations Day. Used to be the Feast of St Raphael the Archangel.



    Why substitute these meaningless commemorations? Sincere atheism is a rigorous position, no-one who’s gone through the wringer with it cares about National Dairy Goat Week. Just adds another layer of meaninglessness.

  17. I briefly shared an apartment with a Turkish woman while studying in the U.K. during grad school. She was fascinated by Halloween because, even for Westernized Turks from Istanbul, it’s a taboo holiday. The Muslim (Turkic? Arabic?) world associates it with witchcraft and that’s apparently still a grave concern. I can see Halloween being a “test” of cultural assimilation. How big is Halloween in Dearborn, Michigan?

    Related, Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England. The Turkish woman wore a witch’s hat and went to a party. Halloween will always win.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Aristippus

    "Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England"

    Fifty years back there were zero Halloween items in the shops and zero Halloween parties. Kids did put on white bedsheets and make "woooo" noises, teenagers would hang round churchyards, but that was it. On the other hand there were random explosions for weeks before November 5 as children (now banned from buying fireworks) threw bangers (now banned from sale) and jumping jacks (now banned from sale).

    On November 5 almost every house with children in a working class street would have a bonfire, and children would go from one back garden to another to watch. The following morning most of the UK was blanketed in fog caused by the smoke, and kids would look for rocket carcases as they walked to school. Good times.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Pheasant
    @Aristippus

    'How big is halloween in dearborn michigan'

    Well given that most of those people are displaced christian arabs from the recent wars anyway...

  18. Where my kid goes to college here in California, they’ve rebranded the week off at Thanksgiving to “Fall Break”. I’m assuming to appease the local casino injuns, but you never know, this is same place that took down a statue of William McKinley, for god only knows what.

  19. @Lot
    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas. After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases. Some boys also want video game consoles and games for them, but a hand-me-down PC and basic piracy skills gives you thousands of free video games, and console gaming seems to be adult men more and more.

    So the upshot is, a giant xmas from my childhood with each kid opening 40 toys at home and then another 15 at each Grama’s house, with most of that cheaper physical toys, is now outmoded.

    Thanksgiving however has gotten bigger as cooking has became something the men are more into than before and for both sexes a chance to show off their skills.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Kent Nationalist, @Pheasant

    Thanksgiving has also become bigger than Christmas if you count all the hysteria leading up to Black Friday (or Thursday night).

  20. @Jim Given
    Just a quick comment based on your first sentence. Christmas must be the really big loser. Christmas used to be a major public holiday, with many TV shows having special Christmas editions, and really good singers performing the classic Christmas carols. Christmas (1950's; first half of the sixties) was a Christian holiday and the US was a Christian nation. What remains of Christmas is maudlin, Godless, and awful, with smiling Hollywood people urging us enjoy a collective Happy Season but refusing to tell us why. I feel like Charlie Brown in the first Peanuts Christmas cartoon.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    It’s an art to carefully squeeze all the joy out of life so that everyone is equally miserable.

    • Agree: sayless
  21. Abe says: • Website
    @eric
    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn't dress up, and people thought that was mean (on our part). That's also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school (they don't celebrate birthdays) or have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    Replies: @Abe, @RadicalCenter, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up… That’s also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school or have swimming

    War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Elimination of all public celebrations is vibrancy.

    But at least we’ll all be brought together as a nation by our continuing fully-paid memberships in the United Purchase Blocs of Amazon Prime.

  22. @Ozymandias
    "...it is not a holiday that is celebrated by all members of our school community,"

    Now Martin Luther King day, that's a holiday that we can all get behind.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @MBlanc46

    Now Martin Luther King day, that’s a holiday that we can all get behind.

    right, because it is no fun, just finger wagging, scolding, whining griping, etc.

    • Replies: @Rainier Wolfcastle
    @Joe Schmoe

    thats_the_joke.gif

  23. If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids – from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load in normie neighborhoods wearing nothing but their daily attire with a brown paper bag or pillow case – supposed to get candy?

    • LOL: Laurence Whelk
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids – from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load ...
     
    15-year old minvan ... those folks are livin' large!

    Our "new car" is the now 18-year old mini-van we went out and bought right after 911. (The other one is 26 and change now.) I don't think we're on Section 8 ... thought the house was just paid off ... but maybe should ask the wife.

    Replies: @AnonAnon, @MikeatMikedotMike

  24. @Ozymandias
    "...it is not a holiday that is celebrated by all members of our school community,"

    Now Martin Luther King day, that's a holiday that we can all get behind.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @MBlanc46

    Try telling that, true though it might be, to the principal.

  25. After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases.

    That is just creepy. It is Fahrenheit 451

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @Joe Schmoe

    It’s what happens when parents habitually hand a child a blinking screen to avoid expending the slightest energy on parenting.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Schmoe


    That is just creepy. It is Fahrenheit 451
     
    At what temperature do smartphones melt?
  26. the staff’s decision being rooted in equity purposes

    But their mascot is a dolphin. They done goofed!

    Seriously, though. Evanston ‘administrators’ can stuff it in their blowhole.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Good catch, and .........Dolphins? Hard by the shore of Lake Michigan?

    That's like calling a California school the Fighting Sioux

    Are there any schools up there with a Muskie mascot? I don't know first hand, but I know a couple folks from the Upper Midwest, and they have a few small scars on their hands courtesy of Muskies. I would think a school would be proud to call themselves the Muskies.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    But their mascot is a dolphin. They done goofed!
     
    They will soon be picketed by the pretenders to the French crown.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/8178ur7PeBL._AC_SY450_.jpg


    https://stnfrdstatic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/roberts-assign4-4.jpg?w=576&h=576&crop=1&zoom=2

  27. Principal Cooney:

    Forget the various POCs, it’s the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Laurence Whelk

    Race traitor.

    Minoritarianism is a mind virus that now dominant, white women parrot and enforce with their usual unquestioning enthusiam for social approval. Such is female "leadership".

    Yes, we're now getting more and more of this crap from white "men"--who need to be dealt with as well.

    Still white women need to collectively be bent over the knee if we're going to bring this thing back.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Laurence Whelk

    Laurence Whelk wrote:


    Forget the various POCs, it’s the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.
     
    Yeah, it's what I and several others here keep saying: the real threat is not non-Asian minorities. The real threat is the white ruling elite, who are not only viciously power-hungry but who also seem to have become quite clearly insane.

    In all honesty, how many black kids want to cancel Halloween???

    Replies: @Anonymousse

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Laurence Whelk

    In the photograph of Principal Cooney, here blue eyes are filled with abnormally large black pupils. How is this done? A photographer's trick? Photoshopping? And why the head tilt? Just fashion?

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  28. @Jonathan Mason
    It is only a school that is cancelling Halloween. Personally I do think that schools tend to go a bit overboard all the year round rewarding children with candy, which is not very good for them. That doesn't stop anyone from celebrating Halloween after school.

    Schools are full of all kinds of stupid ideas, for example last week my kids had "fathers take your kids to school day", which is supposed to encourage fathers to be involved in the lives of their kids.

    Get real, teachers! I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m. And do you really want mass absenteeism or tardiness from parental places of employment, huge traffic jams close to schools, and so on?

    Please just teach the children the 3 R's, and stop trying to feed them propaganda about 9/11. My step daughter came home the other day saying that 9/11 was a day on which a bunch of tourists stole airplanes and crashed them. When you teach children, you have to teach stuff that is at a level appropriate to their understanding of the world.

    We have taken care of these children since birth, or actually before, so we do have some ideas about how to be involved in their lives, take them on vacations, take them to the doctor, dentist, optometrist, and so on, which you teachers do not have to do, unless you have your own kids.

    Having said that, Halloween in the small city where I live is delightful, with certain areas having many residents sitting out on their front lawns after handing out candy (including the street where I live), and scores of carloads of parents and children arriving and ambulating on foot, collecting candy, and loving their neighbors as per Old Testament instructions.

    Last year it was such a big thing that there were police cars out directing Halloween traffic, and there was a tremendous festive atmosphere.

    Of course, one must defend the rights, too, of those people who have a religious aversion to candy, are dentists, or have diabetic children, and so on, and not forget that the whole thing is something cooked up by the candy industry to promote sales.

    Replies: @Fred C Dobbs, @ScarletNumber

    you just described (more or less, though without the inference of a Dentist/Candy maker Evil Cabal), H-ween when I was a kid, and I’m Sailer’s age.

    It was a minor holiday for kids 12 and under mostly. When did it become the second biggest holiday of the year? By the time I got to college it was a one night party (and I happened to attend UCSB, famous the world over for its Halloween, though it was more a provincial affair when I attended and not the news-breaking event it became starting around the mid-90s or so.)

    In the workplace? Yeah I recall a few people dressing. 100% female, and almost all what we would now call cat ladies. I hafta admit I haven’t paid a lot of attention lately, other than to notice the popularity and overall buzz has exploded, and wish it would be nice if we could go back to when it was just a quaint minor event exclusively for little kids to score some candy.

    • Agree: slumber_j
  29. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    Continues modern adults’ invasion of kids’ turf. In a sane world the costume licenses would instead be revoked from non-binary, morally fluid 15-to-35-year-olds, alas this consumer demo has grown too mighty to ever be denied, where issues of “lifestyle” are concerned. Pre-teens will serve for an acceptable offering to the volcano.

    It is distinct from Gay-Sluttoween, another pitched battle in the war on prime younglings by wrinkling matrons. That was already going strong in Sunset Boulevard times.

  30. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the staff’s decision being rooted in equity purposes
     
    But their mascot is a dolphin. They done goofed!

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/CvX3KeXCj70tpEKXkvsqXlvhhu8=/800x600/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/NIEHL6PTWFEWFOKS7Q5RZIW4V4.jpg

    Seriously, though. Evanston ‘administrators’ can stuff it in their blowhole.

    Replies: @Fred C Dobbs, @Reg Cæsar

    Good catch, and ………Dolphins? Hard by the shore of Lake Michigan?

    That’s like calling a California school the Fighting Sioux

    Are there any schools up there with a Muskie mascot? I don’t know first hand, but I know a couple folks from the Upper Midwest, and they have a few small scars on their hands courtesy of Muskies. I would think a school would be proud to call themselves the Muskies.

  31. @eric
    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn't dress up, and people thought that was mean (on our part). That's also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school (they don't celebrate birthdays) or have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    Replies: @Abe, @RadicalCenter, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    Maine or Minnesota, I’m guessing? Time to run them out of town.

  32. They promised us that mass immigration would bring us the joy of multiculturalism.

    That sounds like paradise compared to what it’s actually getting us: no-culturalism, as one tradition after another is cancelled or even banned because it offends one random group or another.

    Every great kid at that school, and at any other school that has banned Halloween, should show up in costume anyway, with tricks and treats galore. Let them try to send them all home.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    @Wilkey


    They promised us that mass immigration would bring us the joy of multiculturalism.

    That sounds like paradise compared to what it’s actually getting us: no-culturalism, as one tradition after another is cancelled or even banned because it offends one random group or another.
     
    The “Multi” means “anything by anybody from anywhere but you, Whitey”
  33. @Andy
    So Halloween is off since not every family in the school celebrates it, yet I wouldn't be surprised if that same school celebrates some holidays to "accomodate" some minorities even if they are few in number (say Kwanzaa, Eid al Fitr). I guess the question here if it is the right or the wrong people who celebrates it...like Steve says, it is always about Who Whom

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    So Halloween is off since not every family in the school celebrates it,

    and instead the school will have a “Fall Festival” which is celebrated by absolutely no one.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Clifford Brown


    and instead the school will have a “Fall Festival”
     
    Good opportunity for bullies to trip a bunch of kids!

    Then there can be a school-wide “Day of Healing.”

    Replies: @Old Prude

  34. Nejra Bajric’s son, a second grader at Lincoln Elementary School…

    Yet they named their school after a man who carried on a war that took the lives of ~700,000 Americans. That sounds a little offensive to me, and I’m not even a Southerner.

    The kids should show up to school as a banana with a condom over it. When they’re told they aren’t allowed to celebrate Halloween they should just tell them they aren’t celebrating Halloween, but that it’s their homework project in Sex Ed. The girls can wear the vagina hats and say they’re protesting President Trump. The school certainly won;t kick them out for that.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  35. I had the impression that Halloween provided a socially acceptable opportunity to mock traditional Christian beliefs about the supernatural opposing teams, what with all the devil and angel costumes you see.

    • Agree: jim jones
  36. @Joe Schmoe

    After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases.
     
    That is just creepy. It is Fahrenheit 451

    Replies: @Anonymousse, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s what happens when parents habitually hand a child a blinking screen to avoid expending the slightest energy on parenting.

  37. @Alice
    here the whole spirit of Halloween trick or treating has already been ruined. Kids might get run over or abducted by aliens or something, so rather than letting them walk the neighborhood on packs, parents drive them to a church parking lot, and each parent pops the trunk and the kids collect treats from the trunks.

    I'm not making this up.

    Maybe they're aren't enough kids. Maybe houses arent dense enough in suburbs and exurbs. But heck the dentist in town will pay you money to buy the candy off you, so even that aspect of fun is ruined.

    Halloween's been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult, libs because costumes might mock someone. it was only a matter of time.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @S. Anonyia, @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones

    I think only fringe religious group kids do the trunk or treat thing.

  38. @Clifford Brown
    @Andy


    So Halloween is off since not every family in the school celebrates it,
     
    and instead the school will have a "Fall Festival" which is celebrated by absolutely no one.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    and instead the school will have a “Fall Festival”

    Good opportunity for bullies to trip a bunch of kids!

    Then there can be a school-wide “Day of Healing.”

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Already used my LOL

  39. As for Thanksgiving being a loser, as it should be. It’s a fake holiday dreamed up by Puritanical Yankee busybodies for several purposes: A. Take focus away from the more inherently Catholic and earthy Christmas at a time that more Catholics were arriving from Germany/Ireland/Central Europe, and B. Rewrite the history of who founded the country, so that we were now all theoretical descendants of pilgrims rather than Virginia fortune-hunters and pioneers. Kennedy for his part tried to bridge this divide by bringing Virginia back into the conversation. C. Once it became a national holiday, further rub the South’s nose in their civil war defeat.

    Really, Thanksgiving is lame and artificial. Mayday and Halloween (really the modern version of a generic European autumnal festival) feel real, like they’ve stretched back eons through the ancestral tree.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @S. Anonyia

    I dunno. Isn't Thanksgiving the most American of holidays?

    A day devoted to Family and Gluttony.

    Nothing lame and artificial to that.

  40. @eric
    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn't dress up, and people thought that was mean (on our part). That's also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school (they don't celebrate birthdays) or have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    Replies: @Abe, @RadicalCenter, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    They should have separated the genders and let them swim au natural. Of course, that could be problematic if you acknowledge more than two genders.

  41. @Jonathan Mason
    It is only a school that is cancelling Halloween. Personally I do think that schools tend to go a bit overboard all the year round rewarding children with candy, which is not very good for them. That doesn't stop anyone from celebrating Halloween after school.

    Schools are full of all kinds of stupid ideas, for example last week my kids had "fathers take your kids to school day", which is supposed to encourage fathers to be involved in the lives of their kids.

    Get real, teachers! I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m. And do you really want mass absenteeism or tardiness from parental places of employment, huge traffic jams close to schools, and so on?

    Please just teach the children the 3 R's, and stop trying to feed them propaganda about 9/11. My step daughter came home the other day saying that 9/11 was a day on which a bunch of tourists stole airplanes and crashed them. When you teach children, you have to teach stuff that is at a level appropriate to their understanding of the world.

    We have taken care of these children since birth, or actually before, so we do have some ideas about how to be involved in their lives, take them on vacations, take them to the doctor, dentist, optometrist, and so on, which you teachers do not have to do, unless you have your own kids.

    Having said that, Halloween in the small city where I live is delightful, with certain areas having many residents sitting out on their front lawns after handing out candy (including the street where I live), and scores of carloads of parents and children arriving and ambulating on foot, collecting candy, and loving their neighbors as per Old Testament instructions.

    Last year it was such a big thing that there were police cars out directing Halloween traffic, and there was a tremendous festive atmosphere.

    Of course, one must defend the rights, too, of those people who have a religious aversion to candy, are dentists, or have diabetic children, and so on, and not forget that the whole thing is something cooked up by the candy industry to promote sales.

    Replies: @Fred C Dobbs, @ScarletNumber

    I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m.

    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @ScarletNumber


    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?
     
    She turned eleven 3 days ago. I am still cleaning up party mess caused by popped balloons with confetti inside.

    She preps her clothes, snacks, drinks, and book bag the night before, then gets up and showers, brushes her teeth, fixes her hair, and dresses in 30 minutes. I take her to the bus stop that is 5 minutes walk, because it is dark in the morning, though some other kids do walk further to get to the bus stop.

    In my (Republican run) county all the school children get free breakfast and lunch, so no need to fix breakfast. To me this makes a lot of sense, as many children would be leaving early in the morning without breakfast, and probably their academic studies would suffer. Goes to show that Republicans can do a good job if they put their mind to it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  42. Play the with their heads: celebrate All Saints day.

  43. Liberal educators must seethe when they see kids actually want to dress up in gender-appropriate costumes — boys as pirates or superheroes, girls as princesses or ballerinas.

  44. It’s a major gay holiday. So canceling it is anti gay.

    Or maybe it’s the major closeted gay holiday. Latent homos. Is that even a thing anymore?

  45. “We are a Bosnian and Muslim immigrant and refugee family.”

    Well, which is it, lady — are you an immigrant or a refugee? Because those are two very different things. If you are a refugee, guess what? The war in Bosnia ended years ago. It is now quite safe to return to your beloved homeland, from which you were so cruelly torn by a temporary spasm of violence! You no longer have any need of “refuge” here. Time to go home. Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.

    Never happen, of course. Anything and everything is just a pretext for infinity moochers to wriggle in any way they can think of, and then stay for eternity.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The Germ Theory of Disease wrote to the Bosnian Muslim:


    If you are a refugee, guess what?.... Time to go home.
     
    No, no, no.

    The Bosnian Muslim lady is sane. She actually thinks like a normal American.

    It's the oh-so-white lady principal Michelle Cooney who needs to be deported to some unpleasant hellhole country. She's the one who hates America.

    It is the ruling white elite and their low-level wannabees who are the real enemy. A significant number of non-whites, non-Christians, and immigrants are sane.

    , @Autochthon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Amen. I fought in that goddam war; bitch better send me a thank-you card and some of her brats' peanut-butter cups on her way to the airport. ("We stole Kosovo from the Christian Serbians for you, same as we stole Israel from the Arab Mohammedans for the Jews. Amerikkka, f--k yeah. You're welcome.")

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.
     
    I just used my Lol button, so Lol!
  46. @Wilkey
    They promised us that mass immigration would bring us the joy of multiculturalism.

    That sounds like paradise compared to what it's actually getting us: no-culturalism, as one tradition after another is cancelled or even banned because it offends one random group or another.

    Every great kid at that school, and at any other school that has banned Halloween, should show up in costume anyway, with tricks and treats galore. Let them try to send them all home.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    They promised us that mass immigration would bring us the joy of multiculturalism.

    That sounds like paradise compared to what it’s actually getting us: no-culturalism, as one tradition after another is cancelled or even banned because it offends one random group or another.

    The “Multi” means “anything by anybody from anywhere but you, Whitey”

  47. White woke woman cancels Halloween. How shocking.

  48. @MikeatMikedotMike
    If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids - from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load in normie neighborhoods wearing nothing but their daily attire with a brown paper bag or pillow case - supposed to get candy?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids – from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load …

    15-year old minvan … those folks are livin’ large!

    Our “new car” is the now 18-year old mini-van we went out and bought right after 911. (The other one is 26 and change now.) I don’t think we’re on Section 8 … thought the house was just paid off … but maybe should ask the wife.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @AnotherDad


    The other one is 26 and change now
     
    Sheesh, does it even have airbags? There is something to be said for modern safety features. And, as someone who has watched the smog in LA become a thing of the past, particularly in the last five years and getting better every day, you’re not doing the atmosphere any favors driving such old cars.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xidhx_f-ouU

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @AnotherDad

    Do you own pillow cases too?

  49. “While we recognize that Halloween is a fun tradition for many families, it is not a holiday that is celebrated by all members of our school community and for various reasons. There are also inequities in how we have traditionally observed the holiday as part of our school day. Our goal at Lincoln is to provide space and opportunities for all students to be part of the community — not to create an environment that may feel exclusive or unwelcoming to any child.”

    Separate Nations.

    This is the core “logic” of minoritarianism. Uh-oh the majority has their cultural and traditions … can’t have that!

    How about this: If you don’t like Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Valentine’s Day, Easter … fine don’t celebrate ’em. But if you don’t want us celebrating them … f’off!

  50. @Laurence Whelk
    Principal Cooney:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/XgQyTxUDpgPGmiGCX1V-7B8ElIk=/415x518/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OCKMTHAKORDXFCHXYDCPXBDEEE.jpg

    Forget the various POCs, it's the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Race traitor.

    Minoritarianism is a mind virus that now dominant, white women parrot and enforce with their usual unquestioning enthusiam for social approval. Such is female “leadership”.

    Yes, we’re now getting more and more of this crap from white “men”–who need to be dealt with as well.

    Still white women need to collectively be bent over the knee if we’re going to bring this thing back.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    @AnotherDad


    Still white women need to collectively be bent over the knee if we’re going to bring this thing back.
     
    Well, history tells me things don't get brought back, they decline and fall.

    That being said, it worked for The King - happy endings all around in "Blue Hawaii".

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/dc/aa/afdcaa2ec52c668bdab5af60d544d0eb--spank-me-bad-girls.jpg
  51. @eric
    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn't dress up, and people thought that was mean (on our part). That's also why they no longer celebrate birthdays in elementary school (they don't celebrate birthdays) or have swimming (Somali girls had to wear these special suits, and it was just too hard to accommodate).

    Replies: @Abe, @RadicalCenter, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up

    Let me guess… The Somalis themselves didn’t complain. Why would they care? The white goo-goos who fawn on them decided to do this.

    Was Halloween “Sasha’ed”?

    Olympic skater Sasha Cohen “stunned” by Xmas flap

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The cited piece mentions her being "half-Jewish," which I always take to be a perfectly understandable reference to ethnicity (the way Donald Trump may correctly be called "half-Scottish"), but the piece goes on:


    Cohen, who is half-Christian and “celebrates everything..."
     
    Aaaaand, just like that, we're in cloud-cuckoo-land. The woman cannot be "half Christian" anymore than she could be "half pregnant" or "half dead" (notwithstanding the common slang use of the latter to mean "unwell"). One might meaningfully write "Cohen, whose father is a Christian and whose mother is a Jew," or something similar. Religion – properly understood, as anything more than playing at silly, New-Age airs and games, cannot be practiced at halves, no matter how many charming novels by Paulo Coehlo one reads; it's not (biochemically) hereditary, either (though it can certainly be taught and instilled by parents).

    How much of this nonsense is just shitty writing, and how much is a kind of collective insanity can be debated, but the business about "celebrat[ing] everything" suggests the latter.

    Cohen is to be commended for decrying the fun police and the politically correct goons, but she's a vapid git herself all the same....

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  52. @AnotherDad
    @Laurence Whelk

    Race traitor.

    Minoritarianism is a mind virus that now dominant, white women parrot and enforce with their usual unquestioning enthusiam for social approval. Such is female "leadership".

    Yes, we're now getting more and more of this crap from white "men"--who need to be dealt with as well.

    Still white women need to collectively be bent over the knee if we're going to bring this thing back.

    Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    Still white women need to collectively be bent over the knee if we’re going to bring this thing back.

    Well, history tells me things don’t get brought back, they decline and fall.

    That being said, it worked for The King – happy endings all around in “Blue Hawaii”.

  53. @Laurence Whelk
    Principal Cooney:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/XgQyTxUDpgPGmiGCX1V-7B8ElIk=/415x518/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OCKMTHAKORDXFCHXYDCPXBDEEE.jpg

    Forget the various POCs, it's the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Laurence Whelk wrote:

    Forget the various POCs, it’s the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.

    Yeah, it’s what I and several others here keep saying: the real threat is not non-Asian minorities. The real threat is the white ruling elite, who are not only viciously power-hungry but who also seem to have become quite clearly insane.

    In all honesty, how many black kids want to cancel Halloween???

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @PhysicistDave

    The “white” ruling elite

  54. @Alice
    here the whole spirit of Halloween trick or treating has already been ruined. Kids might get run over or abducted by aliens or something, so rather than letting them walk the neighborhood on packs, parents drive them to a church parking lot, and each parent pops the trunk and the kids collect treats from the trunks.

    I'm not making this up.

    Maybe they're aren't enough kids. Maybe houses arent dense enough in suburbs and exurbs. But heck the dentist in town will pay you money to buy the candy off you, so even that aspect of fun is ruined.

    Halloween's been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult, libs because costumes might mock someone. it was only a matter of time.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @S. Anonyia, @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones

    Halloween’s been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult

    It was “Christians”– as if everyone else in town was something else– that drove the beloved Satan mascot out of Devil’s Lake, North Dakota.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve always wondered why Wake Forest, a Southern Baptist affiliated university, has the Demon Deacon as their mascot. By literal definition, a Demon Deacon would preside over a Satanic Church.

    Replies: @Anon

  55. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "We are a Bosnian and Muslim immigrant and refugee family."

    Well, which is it, lady -- are you an immigrant or a refugee? Because those are two very different things. If you are a refugee, guess what? The war in Bosnia ended years ago. It is now quite safe to return to your beloved homeland, from which you were so cruelly torn by a temporary spasm of violence! You no longer have any need of "refuge" here. Time to go home. Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.

    Never happen, of course. Anything and everything is just a pretext for infinity moochers to wriggle in any way they can think of, and then stay for eternity.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    The Germ Theory of Disease wrote to the Bosnian Muslim:

    If you are a refugee, guess what?…. Time to go home.

    No, no, no.

    The Bosnian Muslim lady is sane. She actually thinks like a normal American.

    It’s the oh-so-white lady principal Michelle Cooney who needs to be deported to some unpleasant hellhole country. She’s the one who hates America.

    It is the ruling white elite and their low-level wannabees who are the real enemy. A significant number of non-whites, non-Christians, and immigrants are sane.

  56. Why the ban?

    Remember this very simple rule:
    If you move, you get hit.

    Counterinsurgency

  57. @Lot
    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas. After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases. Some boys also want video game consoles and games for them, but a hand-me-down PC and basic piracy skills gives you thousands of free video games, and console gaming seems to be adult men more and more.

    So the upshot is, a giant xmas from my childhood with each kid opening 40 toys at home and then another 15 at each Grama’s house, with most of that cheaper physical toys, is now outmoded.

    Thanksgiving however has gotten bigger as cooking has became something the men are more into than before and for both sexes a chance to show off their skills.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Kent Nationalist, @Pheasant

    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas

    Aren’t you a Jew?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Kent Nationalist

    No.

    Replies: @Pheasant

  58. I wouldn’t have a problem with schools cancelling Halloween celebrations. It’s not like the kids won’t get a ton of candy trick or treating Halloween night or at some shopping center “trunk or treat” event. Granted I went to Catholic school until the third grade but I don’t recall ever wearing my costume to school or having a party, let alone the multiple parties throughout the year my kids had. Their elementary school had parties for Halloween, Thanksgiving, “Winter Holiday”, Valentine’s Day, and the last day of school, with the various Room Moms competing with each other to see who threw the best one. The school used to allow kindergarteners to wear costumes for Halloween but stopped fifteen years ago. Kids get an enormous amount of sweets on a near-daily basis, between all the school parties, birthday treats moms send in to their kid’s classrooms, “rewards” teachers hand out for good behavior, and post game snacks for soccer and baseball. Candy was a rare treat for me as a kid – I had friends who’d make their Halloween haul last until Easter – but it’s almost a daily thing for most kids now and you have to actively work to dial it back to be more of a special treat. I was very happy to put all the parties and extra sweets behind us when the kids moved on to middle school.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @AnonAnon

    I got most of my candy by shoplifting.

    Replies: @Pheasant

  59. @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids – from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load ...
     
    15-year old minvan ... those folks are livin' large!

    Our "new car" is the now 18-year old mini-van we went out and bought right after 911. (The other one is 26 and change now.) I don't think we're on Section 8 ... thought the house was just paid off ... but maybe should ask the wife.

    Replies: @AnonAnon, @MikeatMikedotMike

    The other one is 26 and change now

    Sheesh, does it even have airbags? There is something to be said for modern safety features. And, as someone who has watched the smog in LA become a thing of the past, particularly in the last five years and getting better every day, you’re not doing the atmosphere any favors driving such old cars.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @AnonAnon

    Cool video. This is a driver's side to driver's side crash. I doubt the 1998 driver lived.

  60. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the saddest developments in the UK during my lifetime has been the gradual eclipse of ‘Guy Fawkes Night’ – celebrated since the early 17th century with bonfires and fireworks – by ‘Halloween’ – in this case a pure American import with the skulls, ‘trick or treat’.
    The powers-that-be gutted Guy Fawkes Night, ( the real Guy Fawkes was ‘really’ gutted in public!), with killjoy hysteria by banning the sale of fireworks to kids, there are few things boys enjoy more than setting of fireworks.
    Ironically, considering the current Parliamentary crisis in the UK, Guy Fawkes Night ‘celebrates’ a thwarted attempt to blow up Parliament with explosives.

    • Replies: @Fen Tiger
    @Anonymous

    Too true, on all counts.

    I remember, as a 7-year-old, carrying a flaming torch in a Guy Fawkes Night parade through our small Kentish town. No health and safety nonsense then: nor any attempts by our "betters" to make us ashamed of being English.

    But that was 50 years ago: Halloween wasn't a thing at all in England. Like so much else that's (at best) empty and worthless, it's oozed into our culture through American mass media.

    Replies: @Fen Tiger, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    Guy Fawkes and his homies were hanged, drawn and quartered.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

  61. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "We are a Bosnian and Muslim immigrant and refugee family."

    Well, which is it, lady -- are you an immigrant or a refugee? Because those are two very different things. If you are a refugee, guess what? The war in Bosnia ended years ago. It is now quite safe to return to your beloved homeland, from which you were so cruelly torn by a temporary spasm of violence! You no longer have any need of "refuge" here. Time to go home. Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.

    Never happen, of course. Anything and everything is just a pretext for infinity moochers to wriggle in any way they can think of, and then stay for eternity.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    Amen. I fought in that goddam war; bitch better send me a thank-you card and some of her brats’ peanut-butter cups on her way to the airport. (“We stole Kosovo from the Christian Serbians for you, same as we stole Israel from the Arab Mohammedans for the Jews. Amerikkka, f–k yeah. You’re welcome.”)

  62. We could always replace Halloween with Hell House, you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_house

  63. There are two Muslim families living in my street, one Malaysian and one Indian. I always take their kids out for Halloween, the only family that refuses to participate is a Protestant Church of England one:

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @jim jones


    the only family that refuses to participate is a Protestant Church of England one

     

    I grew up in a small town in the USA where the great majority of the population were conservative Protestants. Back in the 1970s of my childhood, celebrating Halloween at school and with trick-or-treating was considered no problem at all.

    I found it odd, then, that many of the British Christians I've met in the years since have been much more suspicious of Halloween.

    I wonder if it has to do with the more visible presence of neo-pagans, Wiccans, faux-Druids, etc., in the UK.

    Replies: @Pheasant

  64. @Anonymous
    One of the saddest developments in the UK during my lifetime has been the gradual eclipse of 'Guy Fawkes Night' - celebrated since the early 17th century with bonfires and fireworks - by 'Halloween' - in this case a pure American import with the skulls, 'trick or treat'.
    The powers-that-be gutted Guy Fawkes Night, ( the real Guy Fawkes was 'really' gutted in public!), with killjoy hysteria by banning the sale of fireworks to kids, there are few things boys enjoy more than setting of fireworks.
    Ironically, considering the current Parliamentary crisis in the UK, Guy Fawkes Night 'celebrates' a thwarted attempt to blow up Parliament with explosives.

    Replies: @Fen Tiger, @Jim Don Bob

    Too true, on all counts.

    I remember, as a 7-year-old, carrying a flaming torch in a Guy Fawkes Night parade through our small Kentish town. No health and safety nonsense then: nor any attempts by our “betters” to make us ashamed of being English.

    But that was 50 years ago: Halloween wasn’t a thing at all in England. Like so much else that’s (at best) empty and worthless, it’s oozed into our culture through American mass media.

    • Replies: @Fen Tiger
    @Fen Tiger

    After a bit more thought about dates, make that "6-year-old."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Fen Tiger


    Like so much else that’s (at best) empty and worthless, it’s oozed into our culture through American mass media.
     
    Oozed back. You've gotten back to an old fall tradition.


    https://www.englishforums.com/English/WordsStillUsedAmericaLonger-England/jhwgx/post.htm

    Do you folks feel the same way about our right to keep arms, which we plagiarized from 1689 English documents?

    It would be nice if we, in turn, celebrated St George's Day and Shrove Tuesday. The latter is done up as a Creole "Mardi Gras". It's worse in Australia, where Mardi Gras is now the gay Halloween. Guess you gotta dress up around the fall equinox, not the spring.
  65. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alice


    Halloween’s been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult
     
    It was "Christians"-- as if everyone else in town was something else-- that drove the beloved Satan mascot out of Devil's Lake, North Dakota.




    https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-21-at-2-34-15-am.png

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    I’ve always wondered why Wake Forest, a Southern Baptist affiliated university, has the Demon Deacon as their mascot. By literal definition, a Demon Deacon would preside over a Satanic Church.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    The mask slips off of heresy?
    (/sarc of course)

  66. @Fen Tiger
    @Anonymous

    Too true, on all counts.

    I remember, as a 7-year-old, carrying a flaming torch in a Guy Fawkes Night parade through our small Kentish town. No health and safety nonsense then: nor any attempts by our "betters" to make us ashamed of being English.

    But that was 50 years ago: Halloween wasn't a thing at all in England. Like so much else that's (at best) empty and worthless, it's oozed into our culture through American mass media.

    Replies: @Fen Tiger, @Reg Cæsar

    After a bit more thought about dates, make that “6-year-old.”

  67. That’s actually an interesting observation Alice…..

    Growing up a Southern Baptist we had “fall holidays” as a “Halloween alternative ” because it was “Satans birthday” or whatever.

    This is anecdotal on my part but there are some adult Halloween parties but I have also noticed the death of children going door to door….my family hasn’t given out candy in well over ten years and I cant recall the last year I saw kids going door to door. Nor do I see adults sitting on their porches any more in costume handing out candy. Most porches I’ve noticed over the last decade or so stay dark or un decorated.

    I suspect its multi fold. 1st, people are more insular with what ppl call the “atomisation of American society.” People are neighbors but nobody is neighborly any more.

    2nd, theres the “birth dearth”….people if they have kids at all have 1 to 2 kids…..not 5 to 12 like in my grandmothers case. If you have 1 single kid you take him or her to the mall or the upscale shop area to get candy instead of letting them run around in the dark….

    Last, it’s the economy…..who the hell wants to spend 50 bucks buying candy to give to strangers when that’s money for a nice steak dinner with the wife.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Neoconned


    but I have also noticed the death of children going door to door...
     
    Very few kids alone. Most accompanied by beer drinking parents.
  68. @Aristippus
    I briefly shared an apartment with a Turkish woman while studying in the U.K. during grad school. She was fascinated by Halloween because, even for Westernized Turks from Istanbul, it’s a taboo holiday. The Muslim (Turkic? Arabic?) world associates it with witchcraft and that’s apparently still a grave concern. I can see Halloween being a “test” of cultural assimilation. How big is Halloween in Dearborn, Michigan?

    Related, Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England. The Turkish woman wore a witch’s hat and went to a party. Halloween will always win.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Pheasant

    “Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England”

    Fifty years back there were zero Halloween items in the shops and zero Halloween parties. Kids did put on white bedsheets and make “woooo” noises, teenagers would hang round churchyards, but that was it. On the other hand there were random explosions for weeks before November 5 as children (now banned from buying fireworks) threw bangers (now banned from sale) and jumping jacks (now banned from sale).

    On November 5 almost every house with children in a working class street would have a bonfire, and children would go from one back garden to another to watch. The following morning most of the UK was blanketed in fog caused by the smoke, and kids would look for rocket carcases as they walked to school. Good times.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Pheasant

  69. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Clifford Brown


    and instead the school will have a “Fall Festival”
     
    Good opportunity for bullies to trip a bunch of kids!

    Then there can be a school-wide “Day of Healing.”

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Already used my LOL

  70. @AnonAnon
    I wouldn’t have a problem with schools cancelling Halloween celebrations. It’s not like the kids won’t get a ton of candy trick or treating Halloween night or at some shopping center “trunk or treat” event. Granted I went to Catholic school until the third grade but I don’t recall ever wearing my costume to school or having a party, let alone the multiple parties throughout the year my kids had. Their elementary school had parties for Halloween, Thanksgiving, “Winter Holiday”, Valentine’s Day, and the last day of school, with the various Room Moms competing with each other to see who threw the best one. The school used to allow kindergarteners to wear costumes for Halloween but stopped fifteen years ago. Kids get an enormous amount of sweets on a near-daily basis, between all the school parties, birthday treats moms send in to their kid’s classrooms, “rewards” teachers hand out for good behavior, and post game snacks for soccer and baseball. Candy was a rare treat for me as a kid - I had friends who’d make their Halloween haul last until Easter - but it’s almost a daily thing for most kids now and you have to actively work to dial it back to be more of a special treat. I was very happy to put all the parties and extra sweets behind us when the kids moved on to middle school.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I got most of my candy by shoplifting.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Old Prude

    I steal my candy from babies.

  71. @jim jones
    There are two Muslim families living in my street, one Malaysian and one Indian. I always take their kids out for Halloween, the only family that refuses to participate is a Protestant Church of England one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZeRkZm0f9M

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    the only family that refuses to participate is a Protestant Church of England one

    I grew up in a small town in the USA where the great majority of the population were conservative Protestants. Back in the 1970s of my childhood, celebrating Halloween at school and with trick-or-treating was considered no problem at all.

    I found it odd, then, that many of the British Christians I’ve met in the years since have been much more suspicious of Halloween.

    I wonder if it has to do with the more visible presence of neo-pagans, Wiccans, faux-Druids, etc., in the UK.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Halloween is traditionally all saints eve in England. All saints day was an extremely important christian day in the Anglican church.

    Halloween is an Irish pagan institution that came over to Britain originally during the second world war (samhain basically) when American soldiers were stationed here. It only started becoming popular in the 1950s and as late as the 1980s some British people did not celebrate it at all.

    When I was growing up the extent of enjoying Halloween was preparing a pumpkin which was fun for kids because of the danger inherent in lighting a candle inside of the pumpkin. There was some trick or treating but only among close neighbours and family.

    Now it is just as commercialised as anything else and sales of commercial crap start a month early just like Christmas et al.

  72. The same thing happened at a school my kids used to go to when we got a new headmaster that decided the religious undertones made it problematic. However, parents and kids all freaked out since the annual Halloween parade was one of the most entertaining events of the year and he reluctantly restored it. That guy is gone (and so are my kids) but there’s a new and even more woke headmaster, who is naturally a white lady obsessed with ‘equity.’

  73. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Aristippus

    "Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England"

    Fifty years back there were zero Halloween items in the shops and zero Halloween parties. Kids did put on white bedsheets and make "woooo" noises, teenagers would hang round churchyards, but that was it. On the other hand there were random explosions for weeks before November 5 as children (now banned from buying fireworks) threw bangers (now banned from sale) and jumping jacks (now banned from sale).

    On November 5 almost every house with children in a working class street would have a bonfire, and children would go from one back garden to another to watch. The following morning most of the UK was blanketed in fog caused by the smoke, and kids would look for rocket carcases as they walked to school. Good times.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @slumber_j

    There are some wonderful traditions still left, like the Lewes processions in Sussex and Ottery St Mary, where men - and boys - carry flaming tar barrels through the streets. I do love the English.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOYyPj1li0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cvxbFHHmeM

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @slumber_j


    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.
     
    Back in the day in the 60's, there was no shortage of vacant lots due to German bombing in World War II and other demolitions, and bonfires would be built there, with plenty of timbers of various kinds readily available to create towering fires.

    https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ad_225108062.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C511&ssl=1

    Children would also make "Guys", something like a scarecrow, usually out of a pair of old pajamas stuffed with newspaper (remember newspapers?) and pushed around in a wheelbarrow with children asking for "a penny for the guy, mister", although the penny was really for the children. The Guy would later be burned on the bonfire, having served his purpose.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/27/90/44279093b59d218f50974c0d9418ff75.jpg

    Halloween was known as "mischief night" and local delinquents would play hilarious pranks like taking people's front gates off the hinges and throwing them in the hedge, throwing stones at streetlights, etc. Oh, what fun it used to be!

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Bill Jones

    , @Pheasant
    @slumber_j

    As a Catholic never a great fan of burning Guy Fawkes in effigy but always enjoyed Guy fawkes night (we called it bonfire night-less of a mouthful).

    What really killed it off was when firework sales were restricted and people decided they were unsafe. They basically chose to go along to public displays instead. Then what happened was health and safety culture decided that public firework displays were unsafe- even when they were handled by professional pyrotechnics people! It was basically just more social engineering to isolate people and atomise society.

    The great thing is where I used to live the local gangster family paid for a firework show for the children and no police/busybodies would stop them for obvious reasons.

    Asians have Divali and the Chinese have new year. These last for weeks at a time and it is like hell on earth. Funny how no health and safety people stop their public/private displays isnt it?

  74. @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    If you cancel Halloween, then how are the Mexican and black kids – from the section 8 apartment complexes who get dropped of by the 15-year-minivan load ...
     
    15-year old minvan ... those folks are livin' large!

    Our "new car" is the now 18-year old mini-van we went out and bought right after 911. (The other one is 26 and change now.) I don't think we're on Section 8 ... thought the house was just paid off ... but maybe should ask the wife.

    Replies: @AnonAnon, @MikeatMikedotMike

    Do you own pillow cases too?

  75. Oddly enough, Guy Fawkes Night was celebrated in colonial America – complete with the ceremonial burning of a Guy Fawkes effigy on a bonfire.

    It is surmised that the distinctive Americanism ‘Guy’ meaning ‘man’ harks back to those times, and the ceremonial emmolated ‘Guy’ human effigy.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Anonymous

    Guy as slang only goes back to Bob Dylan.

  76. @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Pheasant

    There are some wonderful traditions still left, like the Lewes processions in Sussex and Ottery St Mary, where men – and boys – carry flaming tar barrels through the streets. I do love the English.

  77. @Laurence Whelk
    Principal Cooney:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/XgQyTxUDpgPGmiGCX1V-7B8ElIk=/415x518/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OCKMTHAKORDXFCHXYDCPXBDEEE.jpg

    Forget the various POCs, it's the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    In the photograph of Principal Cooney, here blue eyes are filled with abnormally large black pupils. How is this done? A photographer’s trick? Photoshopping? And why the head tilt? Just fashion?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    And why the head tilt? Just fashion?
     
    Proggy American women all do that head tilt thing, at least after they turn 30 or so. As near as I can tell, no one really understands why they do that.
  78. @ScarletNumber
    @Jonathan Mason


    I wake up my step daughter at 6:00 am every day, and take her to the school bus stop every day at 6:30 a.m.
     
    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?

    She turned eleven 3 days ago. I am still cleaning up party mess caused by popped balloons with confetti inside.

    She preps her clothes, snacks, drinks, and book bag the night before, then gets up and showers, brushes her teeth, fixes her hair, and dresses in 30 minutes. I take her to the bus stop that is 5 minutes walk, because it is dark in the morning, though some other kids do walk further to get to the bus stop.

    In my (Republican run) county all the school children get free breakfast and lunch, so no need to fix breakfast. To me this makes a lot of sense, as many children would be leaving early in the morning without breakfast, and probably their academic studies would suffer. Goes to show that Republicans can do a good job if they put their mind to it.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Jonathan Mason

    I'm impressed your wife has her so well trained. Hopefully that continues as she gets older.

  79. @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Pheasant

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    Back in the day in the 60’s, there was no shortage of vacant lots due to German bombing in World War II and other demolitions, and bonfires would be built there, with plenty of timbers of various kinds readily available to create towering fires.

    https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ad_225108062.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C511&ssl=1

    Children would also make “Guys”, something like a scarecrow, usually out of a pair of old pajamas stuffed with newspaper (remember newspapers?) and pushed around in a wheelbarrow with children asking for “a penny for the guy, mister”, although the penny was really for the children. The Guy would later be burned on the bonfire, having served his purpose.

    Halloween was known as “mischief night” and local delinquents would play hilarious pranks like taking people’s front gates off the hinges and throwing them in the hedge, throwing stones at streetlights, etc. Oh, what fun it used to be!

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Jonathan Mason

    Cleverest Halloween prank; relative hears bumps on the door. Looks out the door and sees nothing.

    Hears bumps again. Goes out door.

    Kids had tied a ball with strings to his door knob and were pulling on the string to create bumping sounds.

    Clever kids.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Jonathan Mason

    Lewes still burns the Pope in effigy. The current one would clearly benefit from the real thing.

  80. Muslims, White or otherwise, please go back to your own homelands.

    We’re tired of you. Period.

  81. @S. Anonyia
    As for Thanksgiving being a loser, as it should be. It’s a fake holiday dreamed up by Puritanical Yankee busybodies for several purposes: A. Take focus away from the more inherently Catholic and earthy Christmas at a time that more Catholics were arriving from Germany/Ireland/Central Europe, and B. Rewrite the history of who founded the country, so that we were now all theoretical descendants of pilgrims rather than Virginia fortune-hunters and pioneers. Kennedy for his part tried to bridge this divide by bringing Virginia back into the conversation. C. Once it became a national holiday, further rub the South’s nose in their civil war defeat.

    Really, Thanksgiving is lame and artificial. Mayday and Halloween (really the modern version of a generic European autumnal festival) feel real, like they’ve stretched back eons through the ancestral tree.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    I dunno. Isn’t Thanksgiving the most American of holidays?

    A day devoted to Family and Gluttony.

    Nothing lame and artificial to that.

  82. @Jonathan Mason
    @slumber_j


    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.
     
    Back in the day in the 60's, there was no shortage of vacant lots due to German bombing in World War II and other demolitions, and bonfires would be built there, with plenty of timbers of various kinds readily available to create towering fires.

    https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ad_225108062.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C511&ssl=1

    Children would also make "Guys", something like a scarecrow, usually out of a pair of old pajamas stuffed with newspaper (remember newspapers?) and pushed around in a wheelbarrow with children asking for "a penny for the guy, mister", although the penny was really for the children. The Guy would later be burned on the bonfire, having served his purpose.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/27/90/44279093b59d218f50974c0d9418ff75.jpg

    Halloween was known as "mischief night" and local delinquents would play hilarious pranks like taking people's front gates off the hinges and throwing them in the hedge, throwing stones at streetlights, etc. Oh, what fun it used to be!

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Bill Jones

    Cleverest Halloween prank; relative hears bumps on the door. Looks out the door and sees nothing.

    Hears bumps again. Goes out door.

    Kids had tied a ball with strings to his door knob and were pulling on the string to create bumping sounds.

    Clever kids.

  83. @BenKenobi
    @Alice


    various Christians sects for fear of the occult
     
    Perhaps they were right for the wrong reason? It certainly feels like a Satanic cabal has taken over the West in recent decades. Only the cabal isn't composed of metalheads and D&D players.

    Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)

    Yep. If anything some of the pseudo pagans seem more to be on our side than the atheists and (((seculars))). At any rate, at least for Northern European Catholics, All Hallows Eve used to be a penance day for sharing donuts/candy for the dead and scary stories. It’s the Puritanical Scripture-only types that cannot even see a Lord of the Rings movie.

    Funny that a white Muslim complains about lack of inclusivity. Where precisely does a white Muslim fit in? Seems they are more liberal than most Muslims, and/or that they use Halloween as an anti-Christian tradition; but for example, I’m pretty sure that her son wanted to be the normal white Spiderman (and not Miles Morales), and that she would not have tolerated him dressing as Spidergirl…

  84. @PhysicistDave
    @Laurence Whelk

    Laurence Whelk wrote:


    Forget the various POCs, it’s the woke white girls attempting to display their superior virtue who will destroy Western culture.
     
    Yeah, it's what I and several others here keep saying: the real threat is not non-Asian minorities. The real threat is the white ruling elite, who are not only viciously power-hungry but who also seem to have become quite clearly insane.

    In all honesty, how many black kids want to cancel Halloween???

    Replies: @Anonymousse

    The “white” ruling elite

  85. @Jonathan Mason
    @ScarletNumber


    She gets ready for school in 30 minutes?! How old is she?
     
    She turned eleven 3 days ago. I am still cleaning up party mess caused by popped balloons with confetti inside.

    She preps her clothes, snacks, drinks, and book bag the night before, then gets up and showers, brushes her teeth, fixes her hair, and dresses in 30 minutes. I take her to the bus stop that is 5 minutes walk, because it is dark in the morning, though some other kids do walk further to get to the bus stop.

    In my (Republican run) county all the school children get free breakfast and lunch, so no need to fix breakfast. To me this makes a lot of sense, as many children would be leaving early in the morning without breakfast, and probably their academic studies would suffer. Goes to show that Republicans can do a good job if they put their mind to it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I’m impressed your wife has her so well trained. Hopefully that continues as she gets older.

  86. @Joe Schmoe
    @Ozymandias




    Now Martin Luther King day, that’s a holiday that we can all get behind.
     
    right, because it is no fun, just finger wagging, scolding, whining griping, etc.

    Replies: @Rainier Wolfcastle

    thats_the_joke.gif

  87. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve always wondered why Wake Forest, a Southern Baptist affiliated university, has the Demon Deacon as their mascot. By literal definition, a Demon Deacon would preside over a Satanic Church.

    Replies: @Anon

    The mask slips off of heresy?
    (/sarc of course)

  88. @Kent Nationalist
    @Lot


    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas
     
    Aren't you a Jew?

    Replies: @Lot

    No.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Lot

    More wordplay.

    Depends on how you define Jew. Lot is half racially Jewish and favours Jews over non-Jews and Israel over America fyi.

  89. Steve,

    Once again, thanks for posting this story. I saw the Chicago Tribune story, an editorial column (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-halloween-canceled-evanston-school-lincoln-elementary-20190930-rd4wkc6gmvfrtmqyf4icnp2ema-story.html), and WGN Ch 9 story linked at Wirepoints.org. I thought “This is right up Steve’s alley” but didn’t get to post an OT link.

    Like many posters stated upthread Halloween was more a holiday for children than adults when I was a grade school aged child. Unless you were a grade school teacher or working in a Haunted House adults didn’t wear Halloween costumes. I stopped Trick – or – Treating by the time I was in Junior High School. Nobody dressed up in costumes for Halloween in Junior High or High School, and I didn’t encounter people my age walking around in costumes on Halloweeen until I went off to college. Of course, by college it was more an excuse to dress up and drink alcohol and chase members of the opposite sex. Which was different then every other weekend because on Halloween you put on a costume, natch.

    Once I left college I noticed Halloween saw more adult involvement starting in perhaps the late 1990’s. Who knows, maybe it was my college age cohort finally having the money to throw costume parties the way they wanted now that they had jobs that could pay for all the trappings? I noticed that by the 2000’s outdoor Halloween decorations were rivalling if not exceeding Christmas decorations, and there were Halloween shops popping up in unused storefronts.

    And then I got married to a woman who LOVES fall and especially Halloween decorating. So in October I’m out stringing up ghosts, ghouls, and animated goblins on our porch and zip-tying skeletons to chairs outside so the little miscreants don’t steal them.

    As for those of you who don’t have children Trick – or – Treating in your neighborhood, I must be in a separate universe. When we lived in Silly-nois one year when Halloween was on a Saturday we had 125 kids show up. We sat out on our patio with a fire going in a portable fire pit drinking beer and handing out candy. I laughed at the MikeAtMikedotMike comment about the beat-up minivans disgorging children like soldiers off a landing craft on D-Day. You’ve been to our old neighborhood then? We got the old beater mini-vans and upscale SUVs on the same day. Our new neighborhood is in the midst of a baby boomlet with at least four children being born in our immediate subdivision. We’re expecting 20 – 30 children Trick – or Treating this year.

    Anyway, I don’t know what’s worse: Cancelling Halloween celebrations because of feeeeewings, or moving Halloween because it JUST doesn’t fit in my schedule:

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/petition-to-move-halloween-to-last-saturday-of-october-garners-thousands-of-signatures

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @mmack

    We used to drive the kids from Uptown to Rahm Emanuel's neighborhood to go trick or treating.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Autochthon
    @mmack

    That the writer felt compelled to explain Halloween's origins (even explain who the Celts are!) and cite "The History Channel" (even if one doesn't know, one could have just asked one of us Celts; we're not exactly a people lost to the mists of time, like, say, the Hurrians, y'know....) says all that needs saying about why such a stupid petition came to be....

  90. @Fen Tiger
    @Anonymous

    Too true, on all counts.

    I remember, as a 7-year-old, carrying a flaming torch in a Guy Fawkes Night parade through our small Kentish town. No health and safety nonsense then: nor any attempts by our "betters" to make us ashamed of being English.

    But that was 50 years ago: Halloween wasn't a thing at all in England. Like so much else that's (at best) empty and worthless, it's oozed into our culture through American mass media.

    Replies: @Fen Tiger, @Reg Cæsar

    Like so much else that’s (at best) empty and worthless, it’s oozed into our culture through American mass media.

    Oozed back. You’ve gotten back to an old fall tradition.

    https://www.englishforums.com/English/WordsStillUsedAmericaLonger-England/jhwgx/post.htm

    Do you folks feel the same way about our right to keep arms, which we plagiarized from 1689 English documents?

    It would be nice if we, in turn, celebrated St George’s Day and Shrove Tuesday. The latter is done up as a Creole “Mardi Gras”. It’s worse in Australia, where Mardi Gras is now the gay Halloween. Guess you gotta dress up around the fall equinox, not the spring.

  91. @Joe Schmoe

    After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases.
     
    That is just creepy. It is Fahrenheit 451

    Replies: @Anonymousse, @Reg Cæsar

    That is just creepy. It is Fahrenheit 451

    At what temperature do smartphones melt?

  92. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the staff’s decision being rooted in equity purposes
     
    But their mascot is a dolphin. They done goofed!

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/CvX3KeXCj70tpEKXkvsqXlvhhu8=/800x600/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/NIEHL6PTWFEWFOKS7Q5RZIW4V4.jpg

    Seriously, though. Evanston ‘administrators’ can stuff it in their blowhole.

    Replies: @Fred C Dobbs, @Reg Cæsar

    But their mascot is a dolphin. They done goofed!

    They will soon be picketed by the pretenders to the French crown.


  93. @Joe Schmoe
    @Joe Stalin


    Just call it the “Day of the Dead” and tough if they don’t like Cultural Appropriation.
     
    but that is Nov. 2

    Replies: @sayless

    All Hallow’s Eve, Hallowe’en (October 31) is the night before All Saints Day (November 1). All Souls is November 2nd.

    My birthday is formally, according to my publicly acknowledgeable culture, United Nations Day. Used to be the Feast of St Raphael the Archangel.

    Why substitute these meaningless commemorations? Sincere atheism is a rigorous position, no-one who’s gone through the wringer with it cares about National Dairy Goat Week. Just adds another layer of meaninglessness.

  94. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "We are a Bosnian and Muslim immigrant and refugee family."

    Well, which is it, lady -- are you an immigrant or a refugee? Because those are two very different things. If you are a refugee, guess what? The war in Bosnia ended years ago. It is now quite safe to return to your beloved homeland, from which you were so cruelly torn by a temporary spasm of violence! You no longer have any need of "refuge" here. Time to go home. Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.

    Never happen, of course. Anything and everything is just a pretext for infinity moochers to wriggle in any way they can think of, and then stay for eternity.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Autochthon, @Jim Don Bob

    Or, as Shirley Temple once so eloquently put it, Time to GO THE F!CK HOME, bloodsucker.

    I just used my Lol button, so Lol!

  95. @AnonAnon
    @AnotherDad


    The other one is 26 and change now
     
    Sheesh, does it even have airbags? There is something to be said for modern safety features. And, as someone who has watched the smog in LA become a thing of the past, particularly in the last five years and getting better every day, you’re not doing the atmosphere any favors driving such old cars.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xidhx_f-ouU

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Cool video. This is a driver’s side to driver’s side crash. I doubt the 1998 driver lived.

  96. @Anonymous
    One of the saddest developments in the UK during my lifetime has been the gradual eclipse of 'Guy Fawkes Night' - celebrated since the early 17th century with bonfires and fireworks - by 'Halloween' - in this case a pure American import with the skulls, 'trick or treat'.
    The powers-that-be gutted Guy Fawkes Night, ( the real Guy Fawkes was 'really' gutted in public!), with killjoy hysteria by banning the sale of fireworks to kids, there are few things boys enjoy more than setting of fireworks.
    Ironically, considering the current Parliamentary crisis in the UK, Guy Fawkes Night 'celebrates' a thwarted attempt to blow up Parliament with explosives.

    Replies: @Fen Tiger, @Jim Don Bob

    Guy Fawkes and his homies were hanged, drawn and quartered.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

  97. @Neoconned
    That's actually an interesting observation Alice.....

    Growing up a Southern Baptist we had "fall holidays" as a "Halloween alternative " because it was "Satans birthday" or whatever.

    This is anecdotal on my part but there are some adult Halloween parties but I have also noticed the death of children going door to door....my family hasn't given out candy in well over ten years and I cant recall the last year I saw kids going door to door. Nor do I see adults sitting on their porches any more in costume handing out candy. Most porches I've noticed over the last decade or so stay dark or un decorated.

    I suspect its multi fold. 1st, people are more insular with what ppl call the "atomisation of American society." People are neighbors but nobody is neighborly any more.

    2nd, theres the "birth dearth"....people if they have kids at all have 1 to 2 kids.....not 5 to 12 like in my grandmothers case. If you have 1 single kid you take him or her to the mall or the upscale shop area to get candy instead of letting them run around in the dark....

    Last, it's the economy.....who the hell wants to spend 50 bucks buying candy to give to strangers when that's money for a nice steak dinner with the wife.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    but I have also noticed the death of children going door to door…

    Very few kids alone. Most accompanied by beer drinking parents.

  98. @Alice
    here the whole spirit of Halloween trick or treating has already been ruined. Kids might get run over or abducted by aliens or something, so rather than letting them walk the neighborhood on packs, parents drive them to a church parking lot, and each parent pops the trunk and the kids collect treats from the trunks.

    I'm not making this up.

    Maybe they're aren't enough kids. Maybe houses arent dense enough in suburbs and exurbs. But heck the dentist in town will pay you money to buy the candy off you, so even that aspect of fun is ruined.

    Halloween's been hated by everyone: various Christians sects for fear of the occult, libs because costumes might mock someone. it was only a matter of time.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @S. Anonyia, @Reg Cæsar, @Bill Jones

    The important thing is to find another slutting it up excuse for the nubiles

  99. . . . tell that principal that Evangelical, Bible-believing, fundamentalist White Christians are against Halloween and in no time flat Halloween will become the biggest thing in the school year, studied thoroughly in the revised, pro-Halloween curriculum.

  100. @Jonathan Mason
    @slumber_j


    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.
     
    Back in the day in the 60's, there was no shortage of vacant lots due to German bombing in World War II and other demolitions, and bonfires would be built there, with plenty of timbers of various kinds readily available to create towering fires.

    https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ad_225108062.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C511&ssl=1

    Children would also make "Guys", something like a scarecrow, usually out of a pair of old pajamas stuffed with newspaper (remember newspapers?) and pushed around in a wheelbarrow with children asking for "a penny for the guy, mister", although the penny was really for the children. The Guy would later be burned on the bonfire, having served his purpose.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/27/90/44279093b59d218f50974c0d9418ff75.jpg

    Halloween was known as "mischief night" and local delinquents would play hilarious pranks like taking people's front gates off the hinges and throwing them in the hedge, throwing stones at streetlights, etc. Oh, what fun it used to be!

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Bill Jones

    Lewes still burns the Pope in effigy. The current one would clearly benefit from the real thing.

  101. Lewes still burns the Pope in effigy. The current one would clearly benefit from the real thing.

    Burning heretics used to be quite the thing, but I don’t think people in the West take religion very seriously any more. Religious festivals have been so watered down that they have become just another vehicle for commerce.

    Christmas Day used to be one of the two days on which it was mandatory to attend church and take Communion. A local church cancelled its Christmas Day service when Xmas fell on a Sunday, so that everyone could enjoy the day at home (no doubt including the pastor who would not have to deal with unprofitably low attendance on Baby Jesus’s Birthday.) Christmas is now about trees, lighting up your house and yard with laser lights, and getting presents.

    Good Friday is about Hot Cross Buns, not the crucifixion, but has been largely replaced by Black Friday, which is when you get last year’s televisions for a few dollars less on Amazon.com

    Easter Day is now about chocolate and bunny rabbits and Easter Egg hunts, not the Resurrection.

    Hallowe’en is all about candy and costumes. Who wants to remember the dead departed when there is candy to be had?

    Valentine’s Day is all about candy and flowers. St. Valentine, a Christian martyr who was beheaded, is conveniently forgotten.

    Thanksgiving is mainly about the survival of the turkey and cranberry industries. when we celebrate the turkeys that laid down their lives to give others a good lunch.

    Shrove Tuesday, which was known as Pancake Day when I was young, as the last day before Lent is now only celebrated in New Orleans as Mardi Gras.

    Lent has been cancelled due to lack of sponsorship.

  102. @mmack
    Steve,

    Once again, thanks for posting this story. I saw the Chicago Tribune story, an editorial column (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-halloween-canceled-evanston-school-lincoln-elementary-20190930-rd4wkc6gmvfrtmqyf4icnp2ema-story.html), and WGN Ch 9 story linked at Wirepoints.org. I thought "This is right up Steve's alley" but didn't get to post an OT link.

    Like many posters stated upthread Halloween was more a holiday for children than adults when I was a grade school aged child. Unless you were a grade school teacher or working in a Haunted House adults didn't wear Halloween costumes. I stopped Trick - or - Treating by the time I was in Junior High School. Nobody dressed up in costumes for Halloween in Junior High or High School, and I didn't encounter people my age walking around in costumes on Halloweeen until I went off to college. Of course, by college it was more an excuse to dress up and drink alcohol and chase members of the opposite sex. Which was different then every other weekend because on Halloween you put on a costume, natch.

    Once I left college I noticed Halloween saw more adult involvement starting in perhaps the late 1990's. Who knows, maybe it was my college age cohort finally having the money to throw costume parties the way they wanted now that they had jobs that could pay for all the trappings? I noticed that by the 2000's outdoor Halloween decorations were rivalling if not exceeding Christmas decorations, and there were Halloween shops popping up in unused storefronts.

    And then I got married to a woman who LOVES fall and especially Halloween decorating. So in October I'm out stringing up ghosts, ghouls, and animated goblins on our porch and zip-tying skeletons to chairs outside so the little miscreants don't steal them.

    As for those of you who don't have children Trick - or - Treating in your neighborhood, I must be in a separate universe. When we lived in Silly-nois one year when Halloween was on a Saturday we had 125 kids show up. We sat out on our patio with a fire going in a portable fire pit drinking beer and handing out candy. I laughed at the MikeAtMikedotMike comment about the beat-up minivans disgorging children like soldiers off a landing craft on D-Day. You've been to our old neighborhood then? We got the old beater mini-vans and upscale SUVs on the same day. Our new neighborhood is in the midst of a baby boomlet with at least four children being born in our immediate subdivision. We're expecting 20 - 30 children Trick - or Treating this year.

    Anyway, I don't know what's worse: Cancelling Halloween celebrations because of feeeeewings, or moving Halloween because it JUST doesn't fit in my schedule:

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/petition-to-move-halloween-to-last-saturday-of-october-garners-thousands-of-signatures

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Autochthon

    We used to drive the kids from Uptown to Rahm Emanuel’s neighborhood to go trick or treating.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    We used to drive the kids from Uptown to Rahm Emanuel’s neighborhood to go trick or treating.
     
    Did Rahm pony up?
  103. @Reg Cæsar
    @eric


    They canceled it in my town about 10 years ago, as the Somalis didn’t dress up
     
    Let me guess... The Somalis themselves didn't complain. Why would they care? The white goo-goos who fawn on them decided to do this.

    Was Halloween "Sasha'ed"?


    Olympic skater Sasha Cohen "stunned" by Xmas flap

    Replies: @Autochthon

    The cited piece mentions her being “half-Jewish,” which I always take to be a perfectly understandable reference to ethnicity (the way Donald Trump may correctly be called “half-Scottish”), but the piece goes on:

    Cohen, who is half-Christian and “celebrates everything…”

    Aaaaand, just like that, we’re in cloud-cuckoo-land. The woman cannot be “half Christian” anymore than she could be “half pregnant” or “half dead” (notwithstanding the common slang use of the latter to mean “unwell”). One might meaningfully write “Cohen, whose father is a Christian and whose mother is a Jew,” or something similar. Religion – properly understood, as anything more than playing at silly, New-Age airs and games, cannot be practiced at halves, no matter how many charming novels by Paulo Coehlo one reads; it’s not (biochemically) hereditary, either (though it can certainly be taught and instilled by parents).

    How much of this nonsense is just shitty writing, and how much is a kind of collective insanity can be debated, but the business about “celebrat[ing] everything” suggests the latter.

    Cohen is to be commended for decrying the fun police and the politically correct goons, but she’s a vapid git herself all the same….

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Autochthon


    Aaaaand, just like that, we’re in cloud-cuckoo-land. The woman cannot be “half Christian” anymore than she could be “half pregnant” or “half dead” (notwithstanding the common slang use of the latter to mean “unwell”).
     
    Both her parents have Jewish names-- Cohen and Feldman-- so I'm assuming there was a conversion, or at least intermarriage, somewhere along the line. But yeah, that jumped out at me at the time.

    Still, there's no point in being harsh on a teenager for a clumsy wording, especially a teenager who stood up for Christmas when it was under attack.

  104. @mmack
    Steve,

    Once again, thanks for posting this story. I saw the Chicago Tribune story, an editorial column (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-halloween-canceled-evanston-school-lincoln-elementary-20190930-rd4wkc6gmvfrtmqyf4icnp2ema-story.html), and WGN Ch 9 story linked at Wirepoints.org. I thought "This is right up Steve's alley" but didn't get to post an OT link.

    Like many posters stated upthread Halloween was more a holiday for children than adults when I was a grade school aged child. Unless you were a grade school teacher or working in a Haunted House adults didn't wear Halloween costumes. I stopped Trick - or - Treating by the time I was in Junior High School. Nobody dressed up in costumes for Halloween in Junior High or High School, and I didn't encounter people my age walking around in costumes on Halloweeen until I went off to college. Of course, by college it was more an excuse to dress up and drink alcohol and chase members of the opposite sex. Which was different then every other weekend because on Halloween you put on a costume, natch.

    Once I left college I noticed Halloween saw more adult involvement starting in perhaps the late 1990's. Who knows, maybe it was my college age cohort finally having the money to throw costume parties the way they wanted now that they had jobs that could pay for all the trappings? I noticed that by the 2000's outdoor Halloween decorations were rivalling if not exceeding Christmas decorations, and there were Halloween shops popping up in unused storefronts.

    And then I got married to a woman who LOVES fall and especially Halloween decorating. So in October I'm out stringing up ghosts, ghouls, and animated goblins on our porch and zip-tying skeletons to chairs outside so the little miscreants don't steal them.

    As for those of you who don't have children Trick - or - Treating in your neighborhood, I must be in a separate universe. When we lived in Silly-nois one year when Halloween was on a Saturday we had 125 kids show up. We sat out on our patio with a fire going in a portable fire pit drinking beer and handing out candy. I laughed at the MikeAtMikedotMike comment about the beat-up minivans disgorging children like soldiers off a landing craft on D-Day. You've been to our old neighborhood then? We got the old beater mini-vans and upscale SUVs on the same day. Our new neighborhood is in the midst of a baby boomlet with at least four children being born in our immediate subdivision. We're expecting 20 - 30 children Trick - or Treating this year.

    Anyway, I don't know what's worse: Cancelling Halloween celebrations because of feeeeewings, or moving Halloween because it JUST doesn't fit in my schedule:

    https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/petition-to-move-halloween-to-last-saturday-of-october-garners-thousands-of-signatures

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Autochthon

    That the writer felt compelled to explain Halloween’s origins (even explain who the Celts are!) and cite “The History Channel” (even if one doesn’t know, one could have just asked one of us Celts; we’re not exactly a people lost to the mists of time, like, say, the Hurrians, y’know….) says all that needs saying about why such a stupid petition came to be….

  105. @Autochthon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The cited piece mentions her being "half-Jewish," which I always take to be a perfectly understandable reference to ethnicity (the way Donald Trump may correctly be called "half-Scottish"), but the piece goes on:


    Cohen, who is half-Christian and “celebrates everything..."
     
    Aaaaand, just like that, we're in cloud-cuckoo-land. The woman cannot be "half Christian" anymore than she could be "half pregnant" or "half dead" (notwithstanding the common slang use of the latter to mean "unwell"). One might meaningfully write "Cohen, whose father is a Christian and whose mother is a Jew," or something similar. Religion – properly understood, as anything more than playing at silly, New-Age airs and games, cannot be practiced at halves, no matter how many charming novels by Paulo Coehlo one reads; it's not (biochemically) hereditary, either (though it can certainly be taught and instilled by parents).

    How much of this nonsense is just shitty writing, and how much is a kind of collective insanity can be debated, but the business about "celebrat[ing] everything" suggests the latter.

    Cohen is to be commended for decrying the fun police and the politically correct goons, but she's a vapid git herself all the same....

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Aaaaand, just like that, we’re in cloud-cuckoo-land. The woman cannot be “half Christian” anymore than she could be “half pregnant” or “half dead” (notwithstanding the common slang use of the latter to mean “unwell”).

    Both her parents have Jewish names– Cohen and Feldman– so I’m assuming there was a conversion, or at least intermarriage, somewhere along the line. But yeah, that jumped out at me at the time.

    Still, there’s no point in being harsh on a teenager for a clumsy wording, especially a teenager who stood up for Christmas when it was under attack.

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @mmack

    We used to drive the kids from Uptown to Rahm Emanuel's neighborhood to go trick or treating.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    We used to drive the kids from Uptown to Rahm Emanuel’s neighborhood to go trick or treating.

    Did Rahm pony up?

  107. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @Lot
    In my family Thanksgiving has now become bigger than Christmas. After age 10 or so all kids want are cell phones, tablets, and money for in-game app purchases. Some boys also want video game consoles and games for them, but a hand-me-down PC and basic piracy skills gives you thousands of free video games, and console gaming seems to be adult men more and more.

    So the upshot is, a giant xmas from my childhood with each kid opening 40 toys at home and then another 15 at each Grama’s house, with most of that cheaper physical toys, is now outmoded.

    Thanksgiving however has gotten bigger as cooking has became something the men are more into than before and for both sexes a chance to show off their skills.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Kent Nationalist, @Pheasant

    They celebrate christmas in your family?

    What would they think in your favourite country israel?

  108. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @Lot
    @Kent Nationalist

    No.

    Replies: @Pheasant

    More wordplay.

    Depends on how you define Jew. Lot is half racially Jewish and favours Jews over non-Jews and Israel over America fyi.

  109. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    @jim jones


    the only family that refuses to participate is a Protestant Church of England one

     

    I grew up in a small town in the USA where the great majority of the population were conservative Protestants. Back in the 1970s of my childhood, celebrating Halloween at school and with trick-or-treating was considered no problem at all.

    I found it odd, then, that many of the British Christians I've met in the years since have been much more suspicious of Halloween.

    I wonder if it has to do with the more visible presence of neo-pagans, Wiccans, faux-Druids, etc., in the UK.

    Replies: @Pheasant

    Halloween is traditionally all saints eve in England. All saints day was an extremely important christian day in the Anglican church.

    Halloween is an Irish pagan institution that came over to Britain originally during the second world war (samhain basically) when American soldiers were stationed here. It only started becoming popular in the 1950s and as late as the 1980s some British people did not celebrate it at all.

    When I was growing up the extent of enjoying Halloween was preparing a pumpkin which was fun for kids because of the danger inherent in lighting a candle inside of the pumpkin. There was some trick or treating but only among close neighbours and family.

    Now it is just as commercialised as anything else and sales of commercial crap start a month early just like Christmas et al.

  110. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous214"] says:
    @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I remember the Guy Fawkes explosions anyway from when I lived in England in the early 90s. I thought that was great.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Pheasant

    As a Catholic never a great fan of burning Guy Fawkes in effigy but always enjoyed Guy fawkes night (we called it bonfire night-less of a mouthful).

    What really killed it off was when firework sales were restricted and people decided they were unsafe. They basically chose to go along to public displays instead. Then what happened was health and safety culture decided that public firework displays were unsafe- even when they were handled by professional pyrotechnics people! It was basically just more social engineering to isolate people and atomise society.

    The great thing is where I used to live the local gangster family paid for a firework show for the children and no police/busybodies would stop them for obvious reasons.

    Asians have Divali and the Chinese have new year. These last for weeks at a time and it is like hell on earth. Funny how no health and safety people stop their public/private displays isnt it?

  111. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous214"] says:
    @Aristippus
    I briefly shared an apartment with a Turkish woman while studying in the U.K. during grad school. She was fascinated by Halloween because, even for Westernized Turks from Istanbul, it’s a taboo holiday. The Muslim (Turkic? Arabic?) world associates it with witchcraft and that’s apparently still a grave concern. I can see Halloween being a “test” of cultural assimilation. How big is Halloween in Dearborn, Michigan?

    Related, Halloween is triumphing over Guy Fawkes Day in England. The Turkish woman wore a witch’s hat and went to a party. Halloween will always win.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Pheasant

    ‘How big is halloween in dearborn michigan’

    Well given that most of those people are displaced christian arabs from the recent wars anyway…

  112. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous214"] says:
    @Joe Stalin
    Just call it the "Day of the Dead" and tough if they don't like Cultural Appropriation.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Pheasant

    What makes me laugh is that the Mexicans only have day of the dead parades because of the James Bond movie quantum of solace which set an action sequence among such a parade… the producers not knowing Mexicans did not have them.

  113. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous214"] says:
    @Anonymousse
    Weird.

    Only group I generally encountered that didn’t join in the Halloween consumerism is traditional Christians...

    I think now and then the dutiful but less creative functionaries might misunderstand the official directives. They hear the official line that you aren’t supposed to offend “religious minorities” and mistakenly think that now applies to white christians.

    The special talmudic arithmetic by which ANY number of white christians are always and everywhere the MAJORITY is sometimes too subtle for the delegated administrators.

    BUT... maybe the system is functioning properly and it is out of concern for some obscure group that is supposed to matter?

    Replies: @Pheasant

    ‘Only group I generally encountered that didn’t join in the Halloween consumerism is traditional Christians…’

    Its the Irish pagan holiday of Samhain and halloween was traditionally all saints eve so…

  114. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous216"] says:
    @Old Prude
    @AnonAnon

    I got most of my candy by shoplifting.

    Replies: @Pheasant

    I steal my candy from babies.

  115. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous216"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Oddly enough, Guy Fawkes Night was celebrated in colonial America - complete with the ceremonial burning of a Guy Fawkes effigy on a bonfire.

    It is surmised that the distinctive Americanism 'Guy' meaning 'man' harks back to those times, and the ceremonial emmolated 'Guy' human effigy.

    Replies: @Pheasant

    Guy as slang only goes back to Bob Dylan.

  116. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Laurence Whelk

    In the photograph of Principal Cooney, here blue eyes are filled with abnormally large black pupils. How is this done? A photographer's trick? Photoshopping? And why the head tilt? Just fashion?

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    And why the head tilt? Just fashion?

    Proggy American women all do that head tilt thing, at least after they turn 30 or so. As near as I can tell, no one really understands why they do that.

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