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From the New York Times:

Europe Ponders Terrorist Threat to Soft Targets

By ADAM NOSSITER AUG. 23, 2015

PARIS — Two days after a young Moroccan man was thwarted from an apparent plan to cause carnage on a Paris-bound express train, European officials confronted the deepening quandary of what additional steps they could take in the face of such attacks on soft targets, short of paralyzing public spaces or even more intrusive surveillance.

Enhanced security and surveillance measures had already filtered out the young man, Ayoub El Khazzani, 26. But he was one of thousands of Europeans who had come on the radar of authorities as potential threats after traveling to Syria.

The sheer number of militant suspects combined with a widening field of potential targets have presented European officials with what they concede is a nearly insurmountable surveillance task. The scale of the challenge, security experts fear, may leave the Continent entering a new climate of uncertainty, with added risk attached to seemingly mundane endeavors, like taking a train.

The solution is to let any and all Muslims who don’t get along with their neighbors back home in the Middle East and in Africa come live in Europe. Admittedly, I’m not quite up on the details yet of why this would make things better for Europeans; but it’s a highly respectable opinion, so I’m sure Europe’s leaders and experts have thought through the consequences in depth.

 
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  1. >European officials confronted the deepening quandary of what additional steps they could take in the face of such attacks on soft targets, short of paralyzing public spaces or even more intrusive surveillance.<

    more tourism from us active military men?

    • Replies: @Hypocritter
    Active military has lost enough wars for a while

    But then again, More brain damaged Vets and another Lost war is gonna make somebody a lot of money


    -------
    Forbes- Report: A Million Veterans Injured In Iraq, Afghanistan Wars

    Laurence D. Finsk BlackRock Blackstone - major investors Lockheed War On Terror
  2. I particularly liked this quote: “…Europeans who had come on the radar of authorities as potential threats after traveling to Syria.”

    “Europeans.” Guys with names like Louis and Wilhelm, no doubt.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    “Europeans.” Guys with names like Louis and Wilhelm, no doubt.
     
    That is seriously stretching it, even by their standards. It's one thing when they call a Moroccan with French citizenship a "Frenchman," but European is still something of a racial identifier (despite the existence of the EU, which kinda sorta gives it a political overtone). Would they ever describe a bunch of Brits with Thai citizenship wreaking havoc while on holiday in Australia as "Asians"?
  3. The economy is floating on hot air with permanently low interest rates, QE and a mountain of debt. Mayhem will be the inevitable result when it all goes wrong.

    Unlike lefties, I have never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the box, but this is obvious. I can only conclude mayhem is what they want.

    • Replies: @bomag
    The drug called The Welfare State has become so powerful the the imbibers will lay down and go extinct before they cause any mayhem.

    The leaders of Western countries have told the populace that they must accept immigrants to continue the welfare state, and most everyone goes along. "Grooming and raping" writ large.
    , @anon

    I can only conclude mayhem is what they want.
     
    That's the million dollar question: did they do this deliberately or simply out of short term greed?
  4. Not really, eg Deutschland is preparing to accept 800k ‘Flüchtlinge/Asylbewerber’ in 2015. When you’re in a hole the first thing to do blah blah.

  5. they, the euros being anti big military, could train whatever soldiers they still produce to roam the civilian world undercover to confront the jihadis the euros are importing to combat them. might work. or you might quit importing jihadis. the dilemmas of : invade the world invite the world!

  6. Europe Ponders Terrorist Threat to Soft Targets
    Ponders? I guess that means it not anything serious?

    • Replies: @landonp
    I thought it was the UN's job to ponder stuff.
  7. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-23/germany-shames-eu-partners-for-failure-to-shoulder-refugee-surge

    Germans are making me sick.

    During WWII, Germans bitched that other nations weren’t allowing themselves to be invaded by Germany.

    Now Germans are bitching that other nations are not allowing themselves to be invaded by Africa and the Muslim world.

    The real lesson of WWII is that every nation has a right to its borders, identity, and heritage. Germans violated this principle in WWII, and now they want other European nations to violate this principle and allow themselves to be invaded by Negro and Muslim hordes.

    Germans during WWII: Let us invade your nations.

    Germans today: Let your nations be invaded by Middle East and Africa.

    Don’t they learn anything?

  8. A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don’t learn their manners. That’s the novel they need anyways.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    I've heard similar statements from Copts and other Levantine Christians. I think they just say it because they (a) assume westerners hate muslims just as much as they do, and (b) can't imagine a country could be so stupid as to invite the obvious disaster of mass muslim immigration onto itself.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes I've heard this theory as well. The idea is that the Gulf Arabs will never again dare mess with Europe's oil supply as they did in the 1970s if millions of their co-religionists are 'guests' of the Europeans.
    , @Jack D
    I can imagine someone living in the late Roman empire saying exactly the same thing. No need to worry about those Goths and Vandals now living inside the Empire. The authorities know how to deal with them. This all tends to work until one day it doesn't work anymore and you are suddenly up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

    Everyone is very pleased at how things turned out on the train but if there hadn't been les Americains around it could have turned out very differently. The French train crew, true to character, ran away and hid in the crew cabin.
    , @Brutusale
    That's all well and good until a member to the non-assimilable subset becomes the head law enforcement officer...Hi, Eric Holder!
    , @backup
    Trust me, it's a mental defense mechanism in order to deal with the fact that everyone sees the issue but no government - a murky thing in the EU as it is neither a state nor a common wealth but something in between - has any intention to do anything about it. Why? Denial. They are also bound by countless treaties and what not.

    Indians probably said the same thing to each other once the colonists came.
  9. Ultra-PC Europe is getting an anti-immigration backlash because the quality of immigrants they receive is so comically bad.

    Why don’t European elites just bring in large numbers of Mexicans and other Latin Americans? The US example shows that it’s easy to force huge numbers of foreigners on your population, depressing living standards, provided those foreigners don’t attempt a terror attack every month or so.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.
  10. @Das
    Ultra-PC Europe is getting an anti-immigration backlash because the quality of immigrants they receive is so comically bad.

    Why don't European elites just bring in large numbers of Mexicans and other Latin Americans? The US example shows that it's easy to force huge numbers of foreigners on your population, depressing living standards, provided those foreigners don't attempt a terror attack every month or so.

    I have to agree.

    I’m not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.
     
    Oh, they're very "active" about demanding unlimited entry into the US, which unquestionably has the unintended effect of destroying the place. I suppose you meant they're not directly trying to destroy the country.
    , @Anonymous

    @Das
    I have to agree.

    I’m not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.

     

    And they didn't flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn't get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can't help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.
    , @iSteveFan

    I’m not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.
     
    I disagree. If by Mexicans you mean the Mexican government and elites, then I think you are wrong. They are knowingly and actively trying to export their poverty unto us going so far as to provide them with maps and brochures on how to game our system.

    As for the individual Mexican border crosser, he might not be actively trying to destroy my nation, but his presence in such numbers is having that effect anyway. Rush Limbaugh last week started to ask the question about how much better off America would be without the 20 million, mostly Mexican, illegals that have flooded the nation since Reagan's amnesty.
    , @eah
    Yes, passive destruction is preferred, in the 'lie back and enjoy it' sense.
    , @tbraton
    Plus---and you forgot to mention this---the Mexicans and the others south of Mexico who the Mexicans do not allow to remain permanently in Mexico come to the U.S. as "an act of love." Vote Jeb!!! (I thought I would call Carl Hiaasen and raise him one "!," I am so enthusiastic).
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Our "leaders" sure seem hell bent on destroying this country.

    Immigration is one of the tools being utilized to do this.
    , @pyrrhus
    Really? What's this "reconquista" thing about?
  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.”

    But you do have to admit that Mexicans have done a pretty good job of destroying parts of Mexico: “Tens of Thousands March to End Impunity for the Mexican Narco-State”. (“…outrage over the 43 recently disappeared college students…”)

    There’s not many countries outside of maybe Syria/Iraq or Afghanistan were you can just murder 43 college students and it seems to barely even make the news. But then, that’s Mexico.

  12. Any western nation is one big soft target. Security or liberty, choose one.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Security or liberty, choose one.

    Once you kick the immigrants out you stand a better chance of having both.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    Security or liberty, choose one.
     
    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.

    Steve keeps repeating it, and his commenters keep mangling it. I have never seen such willful obtuseness.

    , @BurplesonAFB
    Security on the borders and in immigration, liberty for the citizens
  13. @anon
    I particularly liked this quote: "...Europeans who had come on the radar of authorities as potential threats after traveling to Syria."

    "Europeans." Guys with names like Louis and Wilhelm, no doubt.

    “Europeans.” Guys with names like Louis and Wilhelm, no doubt.

    That is seriously stretching it, even by their standards. It’s one thing when they call a Moroccan with French citizenship a “Frenchman,” but European is still something of a racial identifier (despite the existence of the EU, which kinda sorta gives it a political overtone). Would they ever describe a bunch of Brits with Thai citizenship wreaking havoc while on holiday in Australia as “Asians”?

  14. This incident–the business on the train I mean–strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I’m right, but we shall see.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    9/11/01 was a turning point, too. The point at which George W. Bush decided to greatly increase student visas for Saudis to study in the US. At turning points, politicians don't often turn in the right direction.

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/02/24/6014237-after-911-us-gave-more-visas-to-saudi-students
    , @iSteveFan

    This incident–the business on the train I mean–strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I’m right, but we shall see.
     
    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn't change things, I doubt this will.

    However, I must admit one interesting dynamic to this train incident is the fascination by the public with the masculine response of the airman and guardsman to this attacker. That could be a good thing.
  15. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.

    Oh, they’re very “active” about demanding unlimited entry into the US, which unquestionably has the unintended effect of destroying the place. I suppose you meant they’re not directly trying to destroy the country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Mexicans aren't destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.
    , @27 year old
    Mexicans, on an individual level, do not want to physically destroy the country by blowing it up, like the muslims want to do. That's true, but that's not saying much.
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.


    I have to agree.

    I’m not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.

    And they didn’t flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn’t get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can’t help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.

  17. @Busby
    Any western nation is one big soft target. Security or liberty, choose one.

    Security or liberty, choose one.

    Once you kick the immigrants out you stand a better chance of having both.

  18. @Pat Casey
    A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don't learn their manners. That's the novel they need anyways.

    I’ve heard similar statements from Copts and other Levantine Christians. I think they just say it because they (a) assume westerners hate muslims just as much as they do, and (b) can’t imagine a country could be so stupid as to invite the obvious disaster of mass muslim immigration onto itself.

    • Agree: Deduction
  19. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, I think you’ve got it! All the troublemakers from all over the world will come to the US and Europe. Nice White Lady Kindergarten teachers will smoother them in love and goodness! The milk of human kindness! All their troubles will be washed away and they will be left beaming with happiness! And gratitude! It can’t fail!

  20. “Nice White Lady Kindergarten teachers will smoother them in love and goodness!”

    Well, maybe they will smother them in love as well as smoother them. But now that I think about it, both words kind of work, the way this thinking goes. Smother– Super Mother to the World!

  21. @Busby
    Any western nation is one big soft target. Security or liberty, choose one.

    Security or liberty, choose one.

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.

    Steve keeps repeating it, and his commenters keep mangling it. I have never seen such willful obtuseness.

    • Replies: @Andrew Jackson

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.
     
    Choose two actually.
  22. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    I’m not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.

    I disagree. If by Mexicans you mean the Mexican government and elites, then I think you are wrong. They are knowingly and actively trying to export their poverty unto us going so far as to provide them with maps and brochures on how to game our system.

    As for the individual Mexican border crosser, he might not be actively trying to destroy my nation, but his presence in such numbers is having that effect anyway. Rush Limbaugh last week started to ask the question about how much better off America would be without the 20 million, mostly Mexican, illegals that have flooded the nation since Reagan’s amnesty.

  23. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    Yes, passive destruction is preferred, in the ‘lie back and enjoy it’ sense.

  24. @slumber_j
    This incident--the business on the train I mean--strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I'm right, but we shall see.

    9/11/01 was a turning point, too. The point at which George W. Bush decided to greatly increase student visas for Saudis to study in the US. At turning points, politicians don’t often turn in the right direction.

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/02/24/6014237-after-911-us-gave-more-visas-to-saudi-students

  25. “The sheer number of militant suspects combined with a widening field of potential targets have presented European officials with what they concede is a nearly insurmountable surveillance task”

    I would move back to Europe but only for a vacation as I think the Euronuts (people in charge) have a few more lessons to learn from the history of Invasions!

  26. @silviosilver

    but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.
     
    Oh, they're very "active" about demanding unlimited entry into the US, which unquestionably has the unintended effect of destroying the place. I suppose you meant they're not directly trying to destroy the country.

    Mexicans aren’t destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    They're wrecking it for the people already in America, so far as I'm concerned that warrants saying destroying it. Playing word games over this is just malice on your part.
    , @Neuday
    Have you been to Central California? It's pretty well destroyed, intentionally or not, ad is much of So. Cal. and much of the Southwest.
  27. Muslims are being allowed in en masse because they are a threat to national security; because their presence justifies the surveillance state; because their presence creates no go zones and thus increases the value of property in places without them. They are being used as a wrecking ball to destroy the culture and ethnic cohesion of the native populations of these countries, and to destroy what liberties these populations have traditionally enjoyed.

    There are 28 nations in the European Union. One of the larger ones will eventually elect a truly nationalist government, and with the current insanity on the southern border that has become increasingly more likely. And when that party doesn’t become the monster everyone claims it will be*, even more EU nations will go nationalist.

    * Which of course is why all the other corrupt governments in Europe and the USA will do everything in their power to cause it to fail – economic isolation, etc.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Exactly. At some point we will get a major country with a truly nationalist, non-expansionist government. It will create a feeling of envy in other countries and also embolden politicians to ideologically defect.

    Even the perception of this sort of country has something of an effect. Australia has (re)developed an admittedly effective border security program, but the legal immigration trajectory is that it is a Chinese colony. However what gets noticed is the border security part.
  28. @Elites
    Europe Ponders Terrorist Threat to Soft Targets
    Ponders? I guess that means it not anything serious?

    I thought it was the UN’s job to ponder stuff.

  29. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Security or liberty, choose one.
     
    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.

    Steve keeps repeating it, and his commenters keep mangling it. I have never seen such willful obtuseness.

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.

    Choose two actually.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Nope, you only get one. Obviously, this is speaking in general terms:

    Diversity =/= Equality, perforce.

    Diversity requires a central state with lots of civil rights laws and national security apparatus to keep things clamped down, so =/= Liberty.

    Liberty means the freedom to fail, so that rounds out the triad.

    People really do not like having to think about this.

    , @bomag
    It would be nice if we could choose ourselves, rather than having the usual suspects making the choice for us.

    It would also be nice if we could choose the level of population pressure that gets put on our institutions and resources. It seems the only categorical imperative today is to load everyone possible in the lifeboat.
    , @AnAnon
    Perhaps choose the first one, or the two afterwards.
  30. @Busby
    Any western nation is one big soft target. Security or liberty, choose one.

    Security on the borders and in immigration, liberty for the citizens

  31. This is a huge issue in Europe right now. My wife’s there visiting her parents and the debate is raging. One of the problems in Europe – a multitude of different ethnic groups – is also one of the potential safety checks. Bums like the terrorist on the train often don’t speak the native language, and definitely don’t speak all the languages of Europe. It’s really easy to pick out outsiders in virtually every district due to the various accents, languages, local cultures etc. But the EU has pretty much squelched that.

    All you’d have to do is profile people based on whether or not they are local, and keep an eye on them if they turn out to be suspicious. But it isn’t allowed at the moment. Certainly was when I lived in Europe back in the 80s. I remember crossing the France-Italy border with a heavy machine gun aimed at the line of cars back in ’85. Not saying that’s ideal, but national-level police should at least be allowed to share info and discriminate, and today they aren’t.

    The Chinese, for their part, make full and official use of ethnic/regional profiling despite their BS about all Chinese being “one people.”

    As for the ability to isolate nationalist governments, I think that time has passed. If they do that there will be another war, and if they keep up the immigration that will cause war, too. I’m surprised so few people take the prospect of war seriously. Do they think that Europe (or America for that matter) has always been a land of tranquility?

    Personally, I think planning for eventual war is a good family strategy. Might not be today, might not even be in the next couple decades, but wouldn’t you rather your family lived in a place unlikely to be on or behind the front?

  32. @Anonymous
    Mexicans aren't destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.

    They’re wrecking it for the people already in America, so far as I’m concerned that warrants saying destroying it. Playing word games over this is just malice on your part.

  33. Had today’s Import The Third World policies been imposed on Americans (and even on Europeans) in 1955, politicians’ heads would have rolled.

    Today’s Americans and Europeans just give up, most Get With The Program, and all too many stupidly welcome and celebrate and even vote for acceleration of their own displacement, dispossession and immiseration.

    Fools are as fools do.

    The anguish I feel is a consequence of my powerlessness to rid us of such fools and of my powerlessness not to have to listen to their incessant putrid insulting overweening sanctimony.

  34. 10:54…Dean Martin jokes about “urban turban”…..London 1983 June 7

  35. The slow-motion Muslim invasion leads only to one place: low-intensity warfare.

    The only way Europeans are keeping their Muslims somewhat under control is by bribing them into inaction by importing even more Muslims. By showing a little patience, Muslim leaders are allowing the brain-dead European leaders lead the mass importation of Jihadis into Europe. But someday the indigenous Europeans will rise and put a stop to Muslim immigration.

    The next day it begins; with the shackles removed, with nothing to lose, the insurgency starts. Look to the Algerian War 1954-62 for a model of how events will turn. In some countries (Sweden for sure) the natives will quickly surrender and submit to Islamic rule. In others, the Muslims will be annihilated (unless NATO troops step in to support the Muslim forces as they did in Yugoslavia).

    In the end will there be a total victory for indigenous Europeans? Will they succeed in killing or deporting all the Muslims back to where they came from? Could countries where the natives won invade for example Sweden to free it from the Islamic jackboot.

    Russia may have a role to play in all this. Most racially aware indigenous Europeans do not trust America (despite the recent brave actions on that train to Paris). They have much more in common with Russia. Could the results of the coming Muslim Troubles be once again a divided Europe? On the one hand an Islamic controlled pro-American half against an indigenous European dominated half allied with Russia. And yes, a new Iron Curtain would be required. More like an Iron Wall, this time to keep the indigenous half of Europe indigenous.

  36. The solution is to let any and all Muslims who don’t get along with their neighbors back home in the Middle East and in Africa come live in Europe.

    Is that any different here in the U.S. ? From what I see, no.

    It’s clear the elites on both sides of the Atlantic have utterly given up on securing their borders and expelling undesirables. They all say the same thing – ‘it can’t be done’.

    And neither side has thought through the consequences of rolling over in the face of predators. You’d think after 9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston. Chattanooga. It would become apparent we have a Muslim problem. The elites don’t think so. Then again those men who are ideologically driven or those of great power are not given to reflection, contemplation, etc.

  37. What does the NYT mean, “terrorist threat”? The guy just wanted some food, like Steve Martin on the train in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Those American military men who saw a Middle Eastern guy with an AK-47 and immediately thought “terrorist” were just stereotyping: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-france-train-shots-lawyer-idUSKCN0QS0HF20150824

    Typical American chauvinists with no compassion for the underprivileged.

  38. @newrouter
    >European officials confronted the deepening quandary of what additional steps they could take in the face of such attacks on soft targets, short of paralyzing public spaces or even more intrusive surveillance.<

    more tourism from us active military men?

    Active military has lost enough wars for a while

    But then again, More brain damaged Vets and another Lost war is gonna make somebody a lot of money

    ——-
    Forbes- Report: A Million Veterans Injured In Iraq, Afghanistan Wars

    Laurence D. Finsk BlackRock Blackstone – major investors Lockheed War On Terror

  39. The fact is that France, at least, will be a majority Muslim nation sometime this century.
    Other European states, both large and small, will follow.

    The French political class fully knows this, of course. It is just playing a game of deep denial.

    • Replies: @eah
    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your "fact" is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes -- and there will be policy changes -- it would not reach 50% this century -- no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.
  40. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    Plus—and you forgot to mention this—the Mexicans and the others south of Mexico who the Mexicans do not allow to remain permanently in Mexico come to the U.S. as “an act of love.” Vote Jeb!!! (I thought I would call Carl Hiaasen and raise him one “!,” I am so enthusiastic).

  41. Some years ago Naomi Klein advanced her idea of a “Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism“–at the time I dismissed that as loony leftism, and to a large part her ideas are just that, and yet, something very funny is up, indeed…

  42. @Anonymous
    The fact is that France, at least, will be a majority Muslim nation sometime this century.
    Other European states, both large and small, will follow.

    The French political class fully knows this, of course. It is just playing a game of deep denial.

    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your “fact” is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes — and there will be policy changes — it would not reach 50% this century — no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.

    • Replies: @fnn
    French newborns 35% African and the percentage is increasing by 1% a year. That's from before the current crisis began:
    http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/10/the-africanization-of-franceas-of-2014.html
    , @neutral
    The problem is really with what different people think of when they say "muslim". For some its purely the religious aspect, for others its a kind of right wing PC way of saying 3rd world immigrants. France is definitely going to become non white, that is not up for debate, whether they will be majority muslim is another question. This debate was very much the crux of the fallout between Le Pen and is daughter.

    France being overrun by atheist Africans is in my opinion just as bad as being overrun by muslims (if not worse). If France becomes non white then its not France anymore, regardless what religions the new people are following or not.

    Those "well educated" are not very well educated, they are in deep denial and sometimes completely ignorant, for them to believe that having the demographics of South Africa and hoping things will stay the seem is stupid. If anything, you are not giving them enough hyperbole.

    , @Anonymous
    Rubbish.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
    This can be inferred from data on post-natal sickle cell disease testing available widely on the web, if you doubt the integrity of my word.
    This figure of 40% rises consistently and inexorably by 1.1% per annum, and this will continue with no levelling off.
    Now, I know that not all of those susceptible to sickle cell - based on visual inspection of ethnicity, as required of French medics - are Muslims, but it's pretty damned obvious what I said is true.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    History has a long list of peoples and mighty empires who thought things would continue as they always had.

    As has been pointed out to you, France's future has already been born, and it is 35-40% African. Not sure if that statistic captures Maghreb/Middle East as well. Also out there is a graph showing the mean ages of native Europeans and immigrants.

    It's all over but the weeping.
  43. @Pat Casey
    A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don't learn their manners. That's the novel they need anyways.

    Yes I’ve heard this theory as well. The idea is that the Gulf Arabs will never again dare mess with Europe’s oil supply as they did in the 1970s if millions of their co-religionists are ‘guests’ of the Europeans.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    So what you're saying is that once you've conquered a land, you no longer have influence over it.

    Thank you Walter, that makes me feel very secure. It makes me feel very warm inside.
  44. Steve, as a columnist, you must be very concerned that Western politicians are becoming truly impossible to mock by way of sarcasm.

    You can literally say the most insane stuff, for laughs, smirking and winking, and then eventually realize that it’s actually a respectable, mainstream opinion, or even policy.

  45. @eah
    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your "fact" is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes -- and there will be policy changes -- it would not reach 50% this century -- no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.

    French newborns 35% African and the percentage is increasing by 1% a year. That’s from before the current crisis began:
    http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/10/the-africanization-of-franceas-of-2014.html

  46. @Anonymous
    Yes I've heard this theory as well. The idea is that the Gulf Arabs will never again dare mess with Europe's oil supply as they did in the 1970s if millions of their co-religionists are 'guests' of the Europeans.

    So what you’re saying is that once you’ve conquered a land, you no longer have influence over it.

    Thank you Walter, that makes me feel very secure. It makes me feel very warm inside.

  47. @silviosilver

    but you have to admit the Mexicans aren’t actively trying to destroy the country.
     
    Oh, they're very "active" about demanding unlimited entry into the US, which unquestionably has the unintended effect of destroying the place. I suppose you meant they're not directly trying to destroy the country.

    Mexicans, on an individual level, do not want to physically destroy the country by blowing it up, like the muslims want to do. That’s true, but that’s not saying much.

  48. @eah
    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your "fact" is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes -- and there will be policy changes -- it would not reach 50% this century -- no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.

    The problem is really with what different people think of when they say “muslim”. For some its purely the religious aspect, for others its a kind of right wing PC way of saying 3rd world immigrants. France is definitely going to become non white, that is not up for debate, whether they will be majority muslim is another question. This debate was very much the crux of the fallout between Le Pen and is daughter.

    France being overrun by atheist Africans is in my opinion just as bad as being overrun by muslims (if not worse). If France becomes non white then its not France anymore, regardless what religions the new people are following or not.

    Those “well educated” are not very well educated, they are in deep denial and sometimes completely ignorant, for them to believe that having the demographics of South Africa and hoping things will stay the seem is stupid. If anything, you are not giving them enough hyperbole.

    • Agree: Horzabky, Anonym
    • Replies: @K.K.
    Excellent comment. I agree 100%
  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your "fact" is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes -- and there will be policy changes -- it would not reach 50% this century -- no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.

    Rubbish.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
    This can be inferred from data on post-natal sickle cell disease testing available widely on the web, if you doubt the integrity of my word.
    This figure of 40% rises consistently and inexorably by 1.1% per annum, and this will continue with no levelling off.
    Now, I know that not all of those susceptible to sickle cell – based on visual inspection of ethnicity, as required of French medics – are Muslims, but it’s pretty damned obvious what I said is true.

    • Agree: Ozymandias, Travis
    • Replies: @bossel

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
     
    How about some sources? From Wikipedia I only find older numbers, but they don't support your figures:


    Between 2006 and 2008, about 40% of newborns in France had one foreign-born grandparent (11% born in another European country, 16% born in Maghreb and 12% born in another region of the world).[9]
     
  50. @neutral
    The problem is really with what different people think of when they say "muslim". For some its purely the religious aspect, for others its a kind of right wing PC way of saying 3rd world immigrants. France is definitely going to become non white, that is not up for debate, whether they will be majority muslim is another question. This debate was very much the crux of the fallout between Le Pen and is daughter.

    France being overrun by atheist Africans is in my opinion just as bad as being overrun by muslims (if not worse). If France becomes non white then its not France anymore, regardless what religions the new people are following or not.

    Those "well educated" are not very well educated, they are in deep denial and sometimes completely ignorant, for them to believe that having the demographics of South Africa and hoping things will stay the seem is stupid. If anything, you are not giving them enough hyperbole.

    Excellent comment. I agree 100%

  51. @Pat Casey
    A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don't learn their manners. That's the novel they need anyways.

    I can imagine someone living in the late Roman empire saying exactly the same thing. No need to worry about those Goths and Vandals now living inside the Empire. The authorities know how to deal with them. This all tends to work until one day it doesn’t work anymore and you are suddenly up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

    Everyone is very pleased at how things turned out on the train but if there hadn’t been les Americains around it could have turned out very differently. The French train crew, true to character, ran away and hid in the crew cabin.

    • Agree: Romanian
  52. @22pp22
    The economy is floating on hot air with permanently low interest rates, QE and a mountain of debt. Mayhem will be the inevitable result when it all goes wrong.

    Unlike lefties, I have never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the box, but this is obvious. I can only conclude mayhem is what they want.

    The drug called The Welfare State has become so powerful the the imbibers will lay down and go extinct before they cause any mayhem.

    The leaders of Western countries have told the populace that they must accept immigrants to continue the welfare state, and most everyone goes along. “Grooming and raping” writ large.

  53. @Andrew Jackson

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.
     
    Choose two actually.

    Nope, you only get one. Obviously, this is speaking in general terms:

    Diversity =/= Equality, perforce.

    Diversity requires a central state with lots of civil rights laws and national security apparatus to keep things clamped down, so =/= Liberty.

    Liberty means the freedom to fail, so that rounds out the triad.

    People really do not like having to think about this.

  54. @Andrew Jackson

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.
     
    Choose two actually.

    It would be nice if we could choose ourselves, rather than having the usual suspects making the choice for us.

    It would also be nice if we could choose the level of population pressure that gets put on our institutions and resources. It seems the only categorical imperative today is to load everyone possible in the lifeboat.

  55. @eah
    Re France, I spend about 8 weeks each year there, and your "fact" is complete nonsense. Current absolute top estimate for France is 10% (and IMO that is too high); even with no policy changes -- and there will be policy changes -- it would not reach 50% this century -- no way.

    Even among the well-educated, it is difficult to find people who know what HBD means, let alone with whom one can comfortably discuss its implications vis-a-vis immigration. Hyperbole like yours does not make it easier.

    History has a long list of peoples and mighty empires who thought things would continue as they always had.

    As has been pointed out to you, France’s future has already been born, and it is 35-40% African. Not sure if that statistic captures Maghreb/Middle East as well. Also out there is a graph showing the mean ages of native Europeans and immigrants.

    It’s all over but the weeping.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    History has a long list of peoples and mighty empires who thought things would continue as they always had.
     
    Isn't that: "... would continue the way they currently are and that power would remain in their hands."

    I seem to recall this thing called the Soviet Union and before that lots of multi-ethnic empires.
  56. And they didn’t flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn’t get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can’t help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.

    Yes, the mighty military tradition of the mestizos.

    Mexicans aren’t destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.

    I’m sure if I took all your prized possessions and gave them a nice dose of radiation, with a half-life of 100 years, you could be placated by the knowledge that I have caused many negative effects to befall them, and that you would agree that it would be stupid to say I had destroyed them.

    Obi-Wan Kenobi: [voice emanates from nowhere] Yoda will always be with you. [reveals himself as a spirit walking nearby]
    Luke: Obi-Wan! Why didn’t you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
    Obi-Wan: Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
    Luke: [incredulously] A certain point of view?

    Difference is, Obi-Wan lied to help Luke.

    Rubbish.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
    This can be inferred from data on post-natal sickle cell disease testing available widely on the web, if you doubt the integrity of my word.

    You post under the handle “anonymous.” Of course anyone with two brain cells to rub together doubts the integrity of your word. Integrity of words is built up slowly over time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    And they didn’t flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn’t get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can’t help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.

    Yes, the mighty military tradition of the mestizos.
     

    Some of the bravest and most heroic warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan were Hispanic. Look over the names of the KIA in these wars and start feeling ashamed of your comments, you ungrateful piece of shit.
  57. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s been reported that the culprit was known to intelligence agencies as an ISIS combatant. If true why wasn’t he immediately whisked off to jail the moment he set foot down anywhere on the continent? It would have at least the effect of sending a message to the rest of them that Europe isn’t their rest and recreation playground. In this and other cases they’ve been derelict in one of their primary functions of protecting their public. The political class of much of Europe is now being shown as being weak and ineffectual.

  58. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    History has a long list of peoples and mighty empires who thought things would continue as they always had.

    As has been pointed out to you, France's future has already been born, and it is 35-40% African. Not sure if that statistic captures Maghreb/Middle East as well. Also out there is a graph showing the mean ages of native Europeans and immigrants.

    It's all over but the weeping.

    History has a long list of peoples and mighty empires who thought things would continue as they always had.

    Isn’t that: “… would continue the way they currently are and that power would remain in their hands.”

    I seem to recall this thing called the Soviet Union and before that lots of multi-ethnic empires.

  59. @Pat Casey
    A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don't learn their manners. That's the novel they need anyways.

    That’s all well and good until a member to the non-assimilable subset becomes the head law enforcement officer…Hi, Eric Holder!

  60. An excellent time to start raising grapes in Peru. The muslims will burn France’s vineyards, California’s drought problem (which is in absolutely no way whatsoever related to immigration) is only going to get worse, and Texas’ vineyards are aimed at producing phylloxera resistant rootstock for France, not drinkable wine.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    You will note that none other than Rothschild reintroduced the wine industry to Israel in 1882. Talk about long term thinking!
  61. @slumber_j
    This incident--the business on the train I mean--strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I'm right, but we shall see.

    This incident–the business on the train I mean–strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I’m right, but we shall see.

    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn’t change things, I doubt this will.

    However, I must admit one interesting dynamic to this train incident is the fascination by the public with the masculine response of the airman and guardsman to this attacker. That could be a good thing.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    If it wasn't for the Americans and the English guy, the train would have been a slaughterhouse.

    The French have no will to fight. 50 years of socialism sucked the life out of them. They know no matter what the gravy train will continue so why fight for anything?
    , @Horzabky
    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn’t change things, I doubt this will.

    The Paris shootings did change things, mind you. A few days after the shooting, the police arrested stand-up comedian Dieudonné M'bala-M'bala and put him in custody for a day for tweeting "Je me sens Charlie Coulibaly" (I feel like Charlie Coulibaly). Coulibaly was the name of one of the killers. French judges considered that the tweet was an encouragement of terrorism, and Dieudonné was sentenced to a suspended jail sentence of two months. Less famous people went to jail for good for similar offenses.

    Besides, the parliament passed a "loi sur le renseignement" which is like the Patriot Act on steroids.

    The French Jewish community felt threatened, and prominent Jewish intellectuals like Bernard-Henri Lévy and Jacques Attali (who are close friends of both Hollande and Sarkozy) wrote articles in which they demanded more aggressive policies against terrorism. Jacques Attali's article, here:
    http://blogs.lexpress.fr/attali/2015/01/19/la-bce-et-le-terrorisme/
    I loved the last sentence of Attali's article:
    "And if those leaders, in particular in France and Germany, have neither this courage, nor this imagination, nor this audacity, it will be necessary to change them."
    (my translation)

    I wondered: is that an exhortation to Hollande and Merkel, or a threat?

    Lévy and Attali are of North African Jewish origin. They like Morocco, where Lévy has a luxurious villa, where their obedient servants are Muslims, and where they are treated like VIPs by authorities. They wouldn't mind if France was like Morocco. The people who they really hate are those pesky white French nationalists, and the laws which are passed after each terrorist attack are always used against French nationalists.

  62. @Andrew Jackson

    Blockhead, it goes like this: diversity, liberty or equality, choose one.
     
    Choose two actually.

    Perhaps choose the first one, or the two afterwards.

  63. One thing I can’t understand is why there isn’t a great movement to ban the return of Islamic State soldiers and jihadi sluts to Europe.

    It seems a no brainer to me: these people have chosen to attach themselves to an enemy civilisation; one that boasts of its ambition to conquer the West.

    It is a genocidal movement that flaunts its vile atrocities as being part of its DNA; something even the Khmer Rouge, Stalin and the Nazis did not do.

    Comparisons with the Spanish Civil War are spurious.

    Another point I read in a French paper somewhere: Europe’s open internal borders allow Greece and Italy to be irresponsible. They know most migrants will flow north.

    The Schengen agreement on borders will eventually be scrapped. Why don’t they scrap it now?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    came back from Europe just a week ago: Europe is in 'shock doctrine' awe, and in a state of confusion and paralysis - so, your delay of emotion. Many EU countries' peoples are lashing out - knife fights, muggings, riots, the tinder box of stuff I predicted to my brothers & cousins 14 years ago.

    If there ever was a silver lining to the stupid behavior of youngish jihadies in Syria, it is: don't destroy cultural icons (Palmyra, and duh, UNESCO site,) or kill innocent historian-archeologists (Asaad,) innocent people at all - you're already going to hell in my book!...because then you have indicated that you are sub-human and in need of destruction by your fellow Muslims who abhor what you are doing - they are more powerful with more money, btw. One of the lessons I learned from family members fighting the Bolsheviks and Nazis, is...you gotta have money, lots of money to feed your troops, pay the locals, keep the supply line running. Otherwise, you're dead in a matter of days.

    Reasonable Muslims who understand the changing course of society world-wide, want to leave a legacy to their children - not to become a hated group ready to be exterminated by Daleks, or something worse; and, and, and, you (ISis jihadi) just wrote yourself off from the rest of the world. Hasta la vista, indeed.

    Yes I agree with you on your post, these people, the ISIS young people, the aimless, loser young adults don't deserve respect from anyone. There's only one thing they deserve.

  64. @iSteveFan

    This incident–the business on the train I mean–strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I’m right, but we shall see.
     
    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn't change things, I doubt this will.

    However, I must admit one interesting dynamic to this train incident is the fascination by the public with the masculine response of the airman and guardsman to this attacker. That could be a good thing.

    If it wasn’t for the Americans and the English guy, the train would have been a slaughterhouse.

    The French have no will to fight. 50 years of socialism sucked the life out of them. They know no matter what the gravy train will continue so why fight for anything?

  65. Yeah, Europe has a problem with Muslim extremists, but:
    US has 5 percent of world’s population, but had 31 percent of its public mass shooters from 1966-2012
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150823091847.htm

    So, it’s a bit funny when US-Americans think that Muslim immigration is such a problem for Europe(an public security) while the US obviously has a much bigger problem which doesn’t seem closely related to immigration.

    You will always have a problem with violent perpetrators somewhere, no matter Muslim or not. Extremists & freaks can pop up anywhere. The future will show whether Europe will have a substantial problem with organized Islamic terrorism. At the moment it’s largely a media phenomenon caused by a few lone wolves.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    Why add to our own problems with foreign nutcases? that makes zero sense.
    , @Brutusale
    I find much about the propaganda at the link spurious, but even if it's true, 3 of the top 5 are the US, Switzerland and Finland. I would bet that the vast majority of the world's population would move to any of those 3 countries in a heartbeat.
  66. @Anonymous
    Rubbish.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
    This can be inferred from data on post-natal sickle cell disease testing available widely on the web, if you doubt the integrity of my word.
    This figure of 40% rises consistently and inexorably by 1.1% per annum, and this will continue with no levelling off.
    Now, I know that not all of those susceptible to sickle cell - based on visual inspection of ethnicity, as required of French medics - are Muslims, but it's pretty damned obvious what I said is true.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.

    How about some sources? From Wikipedia I only find older numbers, but they don’t support your figures:

    Between 2006 and 2008, about 40% of newborns in France had one foreign-born grandparent (11% born in another European country, 16% born in Maghreb and 12% born in another region of the world).[9]

  67. @22pp22
    The economy is floating on hot air with permanently low interest rates, QE and a mountain of debt. Mayhem will be the inevitable result when it all goes wrong.

    Unlike lefties, I have never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the box, but this is obvious. I can only conclude mayhem is what they want.

    I can only conclude mayhem is what they want.

    That’s the million dollar question: did they do this deliberately or simply out of short term greed?

  68. @iSteveFan

    This incident–the business on the train I mean–strikes me as a likely turning point in all this. I hope I’m right, but we shall see.
     
    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn't change things, I doubt this will.

    However, I must admit one interesting dynamic to this train incident is the fascination by the public with the masculine response of the airman and guardsman to this attacker. That could be a good thing.

    What about the Paris shootings in January? If that didn’t change things, I doubt this will.

    The Paris shootings did change things, mind you. A few days after the shooting, the police arrested stand-up comedian Dieudonné M’bala-M’bala and put him in custody for a day for tweeting “Je me sens Charlie Coulibaly” (I feel like Charlie Coulibaly). Coulibaly was the name of one of the killers. French judges considered that the tweet was an encouragement of terrorism, and Dieudonné was sentenced to a suspended jail sentence of two months. Less famous people went to jail for good for similar offenses.

    Besides, the parliament passed a “loi sur le renseignement” which is like the Patriot Act on steroids.

    The French Jewish community felt threatened, and prominent Jewish intellectuals like Bernard-Henri Lévy and Jacques Attali (who are close friends of both Hollande and Sarkozy) wrote articles in which they demanded more aggressive policies against terrorism. Jacques Attali’s article, here:
    http://blogs.lexpress.fr/attali/2015/01/19/la-bce-et-le-terrorisme/
    I loved the last sentence of Attali’s article:
    “And if those leaders, in particular in France and Germany, have neither this courage, nor this imagination, nor this audacity, it will be necessary to change them.”
    (my translation)

    I wondered: is that an exhortation to Hollande and Merkel, or a threat?

    Lévy and Attali are of North African Jewish origin. They like Morocco, where Lévy has a luxurious villa, where their obedient servants are Muslims, and where they are treated like VIPs by authorities. They wouldn’t mind if France was like Morocco. The people who they really hate are those pesky white French nationalists, and the laws which are passed after each terrorist attack are always used against French nationalists.

  69. The solution is to let any and all Muslims who don’t get along with their neighbors back home in the Middle East and in Africa come live in Europe.

    That is exactly what the U.S. is doing as well.

    Our highly educated experts and elites all agree it’s the smart thing to do.

    Of course these experts and and elites have no f***ing clue as to the sorts of hell they will be unleashing in their countries.

    9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston, Garland, Chattanooga didn’t teach them a thing about Muslims not playing well with others.

    It won’t end well for us, that is a guarantee.

  70. @Anonymous
    Mexicans aren't destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.

    Have you been to Central California? It’s pretty well destroyed, intentionally or not, ad is much of So. Cal. and much of the Southwest.

  71. @Wilkey
    Muslims are being allowed in en masse because they are a threat to national security; because their presence justifies the surveillance state; because their presence creates no go zones and thus increases the value of property in places without them. They are being used as a wrecking ball to destroy the culture and ethnic cohesion of the native populations of these countries, and to destroy what liberties these populations have traditionally enjoyed.

    There are 28 nations in the European Union. One of the larger ones will eventually elect a truly nationalist government, and with the current insanity on the southern border that has become increasingly more likely. And when that party doesn't become the monster everyone claims it will be*, even more EU nations will go nationalist.

    * Which of course is why all the other corrupt governments in Europe and the USA will do everything in their power to cause it to fail - economic isolation, etc.

    Exactly. At some point we will get a major country with a truly nationalist, non-expansionist government. It will create a feeling of envy in other countries and also embolden politicians to ideologically defect.

    Even the perception of this sort of country has something of an effect. Australia has (re)developed an admittedly effective border security program, but the legal immigration trajectory is that it is a Chinese colony. However what gets noticed is the border security part.

  72. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    Our “leaders” sure seem hell bent on destroying this country.

    Immigration is one of the tools being utilized to do this.

  73. When you realize you’re in a hole, what do you do?

    Keep on digging!

  74. @Pat Casey
    A maronite Lebanese friend with a Parisian mom said back ago to me, regarding the problematic Muslims in France, that France knows exactly what its doing with this problem. Other European acquaintances have relayed the same sentiment the same way. I have no idea what to make of it, because they are not dumb or blinkered, but none elaborate the reassurance. But could it be possible that the hushed tone they reassure me in, as in hush, we got this, you American, is the unspoken understanding that, if the problem persists, well then we got em all in one place, ya know? As though at the end of the day, every Frenchmen knows that every Frenchmen knows that its their France, whenever they want it back, if the guests don't learn their manners. That's the novel they need anyways.

    Trust me, it’s a mental defense mechanism in order to deal with the fact that everyone sees the issue but no government – a murky thing in the EU as it is neither a state nor a common wealth but something in between – has any intention to do anything about it. Why? Denial. They are also bound by countless treaties and what not.

    Indians probably said the same thing to each other once the colonists came.

  75. @SFG
    I have to agree.

    I'm not a fan of trying to Mexicanize the USA, but you have to admit the Mexicans aren't actively trying to destroy the country.

    Really? What’s this “reconquista” thing about?

  76. The European leaders do not want to think the situation through because they realize in advance what they will conclude and what the answer is and they don’t like it.

    THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO THEY JUST DON’T WANT TO DO IT.

  77. “The French have no will to fight. 50 years of socialism sucked the life out of them. They know no matter what the gravy train will continue so why fight for anything?”

    That famous demonstration in Paris by Algerian Muslims around 1961 or so. The Paris cops beat about forty or so of the demonstrators to death and flung their bodies into the Seine and that was that. Over fifty years later that would never occur. Persons would be too worried about their pensions.

  78. @bossel
    Yeah, Europe has a problem with Muslim extremists, but:
    US has 5 percent of world's population, but had 31 percent of its public mass shooters from 1966-2012
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150823091847.htm

    So, it's a bit funny when US-Americans think that Muslim immigration is such a problem for Europe(an public security) while the US obviously has a much bigger problem which doesn't seem closely related to immigration.

    You will always have a problem with violent perpetrators somewhere, no matter Muslim or not. Extremists & freaks can pop up anywhere. The future will show whether Europe will have a substantial problem with organized Islamic terrorism. At the moment it's largely a media phenomenon caused by a few lone wolves.

    Why add to our own problems with foreign nutcases? that makes zero sense.

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    And they didn’t flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn’t get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can’t help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.
     
    Yes, the mighty military tradition of the mestizos.

    Mexicans aren’t destroying the country. Simple as that. You can say there are many negative effects of large scale Mexican immigration but to say they are destroying the country is stupid.
     
    I'm sure if I took all your prized possessions and gave them a nice dose of radiation, with a half-life of 100 years, you could be placated by the knowledge that I have caused many negative effects to befall them, and that you would agree that it would be stupid to say I had destroyed them.

    Obi-Wan Kenobi: [voice emanates from nowhere] Yoda will always be with you. [reveals himself as a spirit walking nearby]
    Luke: Obi-Wan! Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
    Obi-Wan: Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
    Luke: [incredulously] A certain point of view?
     
    Difference is, Obi-Wan lied to help Luke.

    Rubbish.

    Around 40% of births in France are to non-European parents.
    This can be inferred from data on post-natal sickle cell disease testing available widely on the web, if you doubt the integrity of my word.
     

    You post under the handle "anonymous." Of course anyone with two brain cells to rub together doubts the integrity of your word. Integrity of words is built up slowly over time.

    And they didn’t flee Mexico or some other Central American country because they couldn’t get along with their neighbors. They did it for better life (economically) in the U.S. Most seem to have relatively intact families and go to church (not mosque). I can’t help but think this country might be protected by them against the hordes of Muslims that Obama is trying to import as fast as possible.

    Yes, the mighty military tradition of the mestizos.

    Some of the bravest and most heroic warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan were Hispanic. Look over the names of the KIA in these wars and start feeling ashamed of your comments, you ungrateful piece of shit.

  80. Jean Raspail (in a preface to Camp of the Saints) explains why Muslims are only part of the problem.

    At this juncture, the moment has arrived to explain why, in Camp of the Saints, it is human masses coming from the far-away Ganges rather than the shores of the Mediterranean that overwhelm the South of France. There are several reasons for this. One pertains to prudence on my part, and especially to my refusal to enter the false debate about racism and anti-racism in French daily life, as well as my revulsion at describing the racial tensions already discernible (but for the moment not fit for discussion) for fear of exacerbating them. To be sure, a mighty vanguard is already here, and expresses its intention to stay even as it refuses to assimilate; in twenty years they will make up thirty percent —strongly motivated foreigners, in the bosom of a people that once was French.

    It’s a sign, but it is only one sign. One could stop there. One could even engage in some skirmishes, all the while ignoring, or pretending to ignore that the real danger is not only here, that it is elsewhere, that it is yet to come, and that by its very size it will be of a different order. For I am convinced that at the global level things will unleash as at a billiard game, where the balls start moving one after the other following an initial shove, which can start up in this or that immense reservoir of misery and multitudes, such as the one over there, alongside the Ganges. It will probably not happen as I have described it, for the Camp of the Saints is only a parable, but in the end the result will not be any different, though perhaps in a form more diffused and therefore seemingly more tolerable.

    He goes on to mention the heaving population of Nigeria, (which is half Christian). Somewhere, but I’m afraid Google fails me so far, Raspail has a pithier quote along the lines of “It does not take wolves to destroy our civilisation, a plague of rabbits will do just as well.”

  81. Some of the bravest and most heroic warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan were Hispanic. Look over the names of the KIA in these wars and start feeling ashamed of your comments, you ungrateful piece of shit.

    Ever wonder why neocons are mad for open borders.

  82. @Ozymandias
    An excellent time to start raising grapes in Peru. The muslims will burn France's vineyards, California's drought problem (which is in absolutely no way whatsoever related to immigration) is only going to get worse, and Texas' vineyards are aimed at producing phylloxera resistant rootstock for France, not drinkable wine.

    You will note that none other than Rothschild reintroduced the wine industry to Israel in 1882. Talk about long term thinking!

  83. @bossel
    Yeah, Europe has a problem with Muslim extremists, but:
    US has 5 percent of world's population, but had 31 percent of its public mass shooters from 1966-2012
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150823091847.htm

    So, it's a bit funny when US-Americans think that Muslim immigration is such a problem for Europe(an public security) while the US obviously has a much bigger problem which doesn't seem closely related to immigration.

    You will always have a problem with violent perpetrators somewhere, no matter Muslim or not. Extremists & freaks can pop up anywhere. The future will show whether Europe will have a substantial problem with organized Islamic terrorism. At the moment it's largely a media phenomenon caused by a few lone wolves.

    I find much about the propaganda at the link spurious, but even if it’s true, 3 of the top 5 are the US, Switzerland and Finland. I would bet that the vast majority of the world’s population would move to any of those 3 countries in a heartbeat.

  84. @Bill B.
    One thing I can't understand is why there isn't a great movement to ban the return of Islamic State soldiers and jihadi sluts to Europe.

    It seems a no brainer to me: these people have chosen to attach themselves to an enemy civilisation; one that boasts of its ambition to conquer the West.

    It is a genocidal movement that flaunts its vile atrocities as being part of its DNA; something even the Khmer Rouge, Stalin and the Nazis did not do.

    Comparisons with the Spanish Civil War are spurious.

    Another point I read in a French paper somewhere: Europe's open internal borders allow Greece and Italy to be irresponsible. They know most migrants will flow north.

    The Schengen agreement on borders will eventually be scrapped. Why don't they scrap it now?

    came back from Europe just a week ago: Europe is in ‘shock doctrine’ awe, and in a state of confusion and paralysis – so, your delay of emotion. Many EU countries’ peoples are lashing out – knife fights, muggings, riots, the tinder box of stuff I predicted to my brothers & cousins 14 years ago.

    If there ever was a silver lining to the stupid behavior of youngish jihadies in Syria, it is: don’t destroy cultural icons (Palmyra, and duh, UNESCO site,) or kill innocent historian-archeologists (Asaad,) innocent people at all – you’re already going to hell in my book!…because then you have indicated that you are sub-human and in need of destruction by your fellow Muslims who abhor what you are doing – they are more powerful with more money, btw. One of the lessons I learned from family members fighting the Bolsheviks and Nazis, is…you gotta have money, lots of money to feed your troops, pay the locals, keep the supply line running. Otherwise, you’re dead in a matter of days.

    Reasonable Muslims who understand the changing course of society world-wide, want to leave a legacy to their children – not to become a hated group ready to be exterminated by Daleks, or something worse; and, and, and, you (ISis jihadi) just wrote yourself off from the rest of the world. Hasta la vista, indeed.

    Yes I agree with you on your post, these people, the ISIS young people, the aimless, loser young adults don’t deserve respect from anyone. There’s only one thing they deserve.

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