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From the Substack of eugyppius:

There isn’t one plan, there are fifty thousand, and nobody is in charge.
More thoughts on conspiracies, now that I’ve angered many readers.

eugyppius
Nov 30

… I abandoned my professorial career at the height of the Great Awokening. Before I fled, I endured two pretty difficult years, navigating tidal of waves of nonsense and trying to stay uncanceled. In the midst of it all, I had plenty of time to study the institutional workings of the Woke. The fundaments of their dogma were laid by specific critical theorists long before I entered graduate school, but the system as a whole did not become operative until a long while later, as its acolytes ascended to senior faculty and administrative positions, and a distributed consensus emerged that the tenets of Wokeness were right and necessary and just.

People tend to believe things that further their personal interests, and universities are no exception. Wokification succeeded largely because it gave a lot of different people a lot of different things that they wanted.

It gave the increasingly powerful university administration a reason to hire more administrators to manage diversity and ensure its forward march. Self-propagation is the highest goal of administrators everywhere.

Wokeness also became a useful tool in ongoing turf wars between administrators and faculty. Diversity is a simple metric via which the administration can interfere with faculty hiring and academic operations; new diversity hires know who is buttering their bread and remain loyal to the administrators whose policies brought them in.

For the increasingly mediocre and incapable faculty who now teach at even the most august American schools, the woke circus has its own attractions. It provides distraction from the unrelenting demands of objectivity and originality, and permits a pleasing, self-righteous indulgence in moral scolding. In Woke Studies, the answers are always predetermined and it is very easy to get anything published, provided you say the right things.

For students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, as an opportunity for social networking, and as a locus for the periodic ritual entertainment of false moral outrages and protests.

All of this is to say that Wokeness was selected from many aspiring ideological and intellectual programs, because it gave the right things to the right people.

The bottomless mediocrities who helped construct the subgenre of critical theory on which the whole Woke phenomenon rests are not in charge of the Wokeness Circus. The administrators who promote and participate in Wokeness are not alone in running it, and they could never turn off or redirect the machine over which they appear to preside. Stepping out of line would only mean their personal destruction. The donors, the trustees, the tenured faculty, the powerful committees – none of these hold the reins either.

Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be. Administrators or department chairs are constantly in danger of being outflanked on their left, and so they must adopt and endorse the most radical line to maintain their position. Otherwise they will be accused of racism or sexism or whatever and replaced by even more unhinged dangerous people.

Also too, diversity is increasingly managed by dedicated administrative offices and special committees, which end up peopled with the most racially obsessed, divisive, woke-enthused types imaginable.

Finally, nobody can gain support for or argue on behalf of anything, unless it can be cast in Woke terms. Want a new Egyptologist? Need to renovate the library? Collecting support for shortening the spring semester by a week? Well, you and your allies better explain why these initiatives will help redress historical racial injustices. In this way, all internal discourse and management comes to be about Wokeness, all of the time.

While Wokeness provides many personal incentives for true believers, it is destructive for the institutions that foster it. Those schools that have advanced very far down the woke path face semi-regular hate speech hoaxes and student protests, hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty, and massive curricular disarray. They are pretty miserable places to work and study and they are bleeding talented people and rapidly burning through the cultural capital they accumulated in prior, more reasonable decades.

Nor is Wokeness, at the end of the day, even the best thing for many of its most committed adherents. Alas, this doesn’t matter either. Nobody, not even Kimberlé Crenshaw, can redirect or modulate Wokeness any longer.

All of this matters, because American universities aren’t just eager sponsors of racial hysteria. They have also emerged as some of the most radical centres of Corona containment in the world. Their students endure all manner of unreasonable hygiene measures. Constant testing, quarantining, mask rules, enforced isolation, officially encouraged snitching, movement restrictions, vaccine mandates — all of this and more are routine for millions of students. Klaus Schwab is not making them do this. The culprit is a broad, distributed adherence to the dictates of containment ideology, probably driven in no small part by emotional and ideological exhaustion with the prior tyranny of Wokeness.

Now that everybody agrees, the self-directed, self-radicalising elements are in place: Administrators and committee chairs that are perceived not to be taking Corona seriously enough will be removed or sidelined in favour of more radical people who take things more seriously than you could possibly imagine. All of these schools now operate with a wealth of Corona Committees, peopled by all the most lunatic germophobic faculty.

Like wokeness, containment is destructive to the institutions that embrace it. American universities in particular depend on attracting students with over-provisioned campuses and entertaining student-life programs. They are basically massive amusement parks for young adults. Sooner or later, people will begin to think twice about paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to live in a prison camp. The destruction will start at less selective schools and proceed upwards. How high it will go, nobody knows. …

It is very easy to confuse cause and effect when examining the emergence of ideological systems. People raised up as leaders and heroes of emerging movements are almost never its directors, but merely expressions of all the separate beliefs and aspirations of those involved. …

It’s kind of like changes in fashion in art. Paul Johnson likes to point out that King Louis XVI, Robespierre, Napoleon, the Prince Regent, and Thomas Jefferson (or some list like that) didn’t agree on too much politically, but they all thought neoclassical architecture was the proper idiom for public buildings.

Was the neoclassical craze of the late 18th and early 19th centuries a conspiracy? Well, one guy played a central role in launching it, art historian JJ Winckelmann. But, hard as he worked, he couldn’t impose his tastes. Lots of other people had to be ready for them.

Of course, the Woke haven’t exactly matched neoclassicism for inspiring monuments like the Arc de Triomphe.

 
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  1. Wokeness is significantly decentralized, but it is intellectual malfeasance of the highest order to pretend there are no top-down mechanisms at play here.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

  2. If the real power wanted to stomp out Wokeness like a bug. They would. Successfully. Splat!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @JimDandy

    See Joseph Stalin questioning how many divisions does the pope have!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @GazaPlanet
    @JimDandy

    These types who are ideologically invested in the current system have had a lifetime to figure out who is pushing this stuff. If they don't acknowledge it by now, they are willfully ignorant.

    In the post above "only tolerate amplification of the propaganda they want amplified"

  3. Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement… Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be… Nobody, not even Kimberlé Crenshaw, can redirect or modulate Wokeness any longer…

    In other words, it’s a Starfish, not a Spider:

    Starfish can thrive without a brain.

    • LOL: mc23
    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @Reg Cæsar


    Klaus Schwab is not making them do this ...
     
    The lady doeth protest too much.

    Expect many more pieces pushing this "amorphous organization" meme about the Woke Wave. It has been said that Satan's greatest trick is to convince men that he does not exist.

    One notes that the same line - "it's just an amorphous organization without any centralized leadership" - was previously trotted out about "Antifa" by numerous "academics," "law enforcement" spokeswomen, "intelligence analysts" etc., as if on cue. Since then, some real observers have looked more closely about the senior leadership of "Antifa." Sure enough, it was found that the organization's actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing. As always, the question is cui bono.

    Wokery as a whole follows the same pattern. Anyone who seriously looks at the outline and in particular at the texture of the large cultural, legislative and administrative changes since the 1920s cannot fail to be impressed by how a small, incestuous coterie of "intellectuals," bureaucrats, money men, quasi-hereditary ruling families, sexual deviants, general psychopaths and opportunists have been working assiduously - often in broad daylight - to build a massive core organization, develop a consolidated strategy supported by a whole assemblage of mind viruses, propaganda techniques, bureaucratic and legal devices, etc., all mutually reinforcing.

    It is quite true that - like multi-level sales organizations - the lower-tier players are keenly aware of their own opportunities to profit, but may have only a vague understanding of what the central leadership wants and does. That does not mean that the central leadership does not have its own role in shaping the structure and trajectory of the organization.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dube, @nosquat loquat

  4. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1466658488063565831

    • Thanks: JMcG
  5. Eugyppius’ substack is almost indispensable (along with Alex Berenson; Rounding The Earth; uTobian; and El Gato Malo) for anyone who is interested in a numerate take on the current nonsense.

    Also: on the fact that it was always intended for you mudbloods’ Pfizer Subscription to be QUARTERLY

    UK Health Secretary: ‘Boosters’ every three months.

    NAILED IT.

    The jabs don’t work, you poor gullible fucking cockwombles. It was just Pfizer Pfizering, with an assist from their paid bitches at CDC and FDA.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Kratoklastes

    I read Alex Berensen daily but Robespierre only when Reg Cæsar gives the high sign

    , @Forbes
    @Kratoklastes

    Eugyooius is a fascinating read--resonant of Steve--noticing, dissecting, observing.

  6. So Wokeness is largely a money scam?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Redneck farmer

    Sarah Silverman and Seth Rogan made a hyper-woke attack on Christmas because they thought they'd make zillions of dollars? Nah.

  7. He had me until he started mouthing anti-Covid rubbish. The, I suddenly lost interest …

    • Agree: jamie b.
    • Replies: @AV Club Sandwich
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I can't imagine why anyone would be anti-COVID. Me, I'm a COVID aficionado. Every new strain, I must collect them all.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Dumbo
    @Bardon Kaldian


    anti-Covid rubbish.
     
    LOL. Wait, aren't you the fellow with such bad health immunity that managed to get COVID twice? But I didn't realize that it was because you actually enjoyed having Covid...

    Still, you seem to have survived both times.

    So is it worth it to transform the world into a huge prison for such a non-issue?

    I mean, vaccines every six months and health passes forever, for this? Really?

    Some people are just suckers for any type of totalitarian system, I guess.
  8. The reason wokery matters is it’s backed by government and corporate power. If it was a belief system for insane individuals and not being translated into policy it would actually be acceptable, like vegetarianism.

  9. It definitely had a centralized creation and what we’re seeing now is its mold-like spread through the lower bricks of the pyramid. There was a time when we could have stopped it by targeting immoral intellectuals and reinforcing sane values. I guess now we pat ourselves on the back for having diagnosed it and then hope it burns itself out like a fire?

    • Agree: Kylie
  10. So, it’s like the development of National-Socialism but at the end they are not well-dressed aryans driving around in tanks but antifa-dressed diverse driving around in plastic anti-Corona bubbles.

    And there is no Führer, because who needs him?

  11. A lot of people think everything is a top-down conspiracy run by a few. They love the phrase “follow the money”.

    They’re missing a bigger truth. There are literally millions of people eager to be Leftist activists. These people want to have a voice, i.e. exercise power. The fact that most of you don’t get off on bossing others around makes you blind of this motivation. Most of you just like discussing ideas for the fun of it.

    We’re a social and political animal. This power motivation and the resulting ever-changing social dynamic has been a part of human life since before we were Homo sapiens.

    Heck, chimps and dogs seek to control each other. Are they getting checks from Soros?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Speaking of animals, what ever happened to the animal rights activists?

    All they need is a few billionaires in their corner, and university students will be baying like hyenas.

  12. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Wokery is not something that appeared de-novo as a reaction to Trump’s election, it’s a continuation of a much longer process. Here is an account of the build-up to the current situation.

    “Woke” domination of the Universities became inevitable back during the Cold War. The US had convince the Third World that Western industrial society could be universally adopted to a world that turned out to have an average IQ 0f 82. Had the entire world the sociology of the Midwest and an average IQ of 82, it could not have been industrialized. Half the people in a society with average IQ 82 or less would have been unable to work productively. The effort was therefore doomed, but seemed like a good idea at the time. The USSR was offering a similar deal to the same audience, only under a Marxist command economy, and the US thought it had to compete. Obviously, the USSR’s similar deal was just as generally impractical as that of the US.

    So the US was forced into asserting that all people were identical, which led to a vast increase in college registration. Many of the new students were incapable of learning abstractions, and had to be taught simple algorithms, or even simpler rules of thumb.

    After the 1960s riots, colleges were increasingly run by riot-averse administrators who’s primary task was to (a) accept increasingly less competent students while (b) avoiding 1960’s scale riots. This set up a real world reward matrix within which incompetent students could impose their will on the University by what Tom Wolfe called “Mau-Mauing the Flack Catchers” (https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/mau-mauing-flak-catchers/), and, where there were conflicting goals between attacking groups of students, tended to award victory to the more radical.

    By the 1980s most universities had half-bright academic staff teaching algorithms to what amounted to marginally civilized and not terribly smart students. This situation was satisfactory to government and students, and gradually spread to top tier research institutions.

    Of course, outside groups had been involved from the beginning of the attacks, but the fundamental problem was that Western governments required (1) a large number of uneducable students who had to be convinced that they were worthwhile people spending their time productively, and (b) a reward matrix favoring students over administrators.

    A similar situation existed during the US Gilded Age, with many universities providing only social polishing to uneducable youth. Remember that the A&M universities were founded specifically as an alternative to social polishing universities, an alternative that would teach material of practical utility in agriculture and industry. The difference was that the Gilded Age dominant minority were the industrial rich, whereas the dominant minority from about 1960 onwards were the descendants of Tammany Hall and similarly urban political organizations.

    In the meantime, the universities are continuing the shutdown of US engineering / science capability that first became visible with the shutdown of the industrial R&D laboratories back in the 1970s. This is most clearly shown by the replication crisis, but is starting to show up in military matters — most notably the apparent inability of the West to equal Chinese and Russian development of hypersonic vehicles.

    Think about the changes necessary to change the above situation, because they are large and will happen when the current elites (in Turchin’s sense) lose control.

    And, strangely enough, the Chinese Communist Party (with an math IQ 105 or so population) eventually adopted the free market reforms proposed by the US back in the 1950s and industrialized while remaining under Communist party control. The West, however, has adopted the Marxist economics that destroyed the USSR. I suppose that turnabout is fair play, but this is bizarre. Again, reality is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than we can know.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

  13. “For students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, “

    That’s not necessarily true. To get someone to believe in something , you have to make them work for it. If you keep it too easy they’ll forget it. Someone here at Unz once posted the syllabus from one of these Woke Studies classes awhile back, and it was full of “make work”. Not rocket science, but extremely time consuming. The more the students have to work for it, the more invested they will be in its principals and the more likely they will become true believers. After all, they don’t want to feel like they’re wasting their time (a textbook example of cognitive dissonance).

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    "See that room full of boxes of kid's alphabet blocks? Unpack all of them, form words (feel free to make as up as many of the words as you want) and arrange them all in something that resembles sentences. Yes, all of them. You are in the academy and the name of the game is rigor."

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    What "make work" that was also time consuming were they required to do?

  14. Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it’s power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was ‘There are no girls on the internet’?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren’t too interested in.

    ‘Wokeness’ is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can’t detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what’s going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn’t represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the ‘not-okayness’, she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom ‘not-okayness’ doesn’t really matter. But they’re only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don’t get to express that in daily conversation with people they don’t know and they don’t have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren’t prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn’t take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Altai

    Very helpful. Thanks.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Altai

    Taylor Swift and her ilk should be locked down at home for other reasons, but you make great points here, Altai. It's not just the social media, but the fact that feminism has had men putting up with and taking women's stupid feminist crap seriously for half a century.

    , @usNthem
    @Altai

    Well said. I guess a question is how does this seeming collective insanity end - will it end - will it end western civilization if not?

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Mike Tre
    @Altai

    The second video shows the absolute efficiency and necessity of physical confrontation, especially in situations like this.

    , @Anon7
    @Altai

    Women don't really exist anymore, in the West, in any form that your grandfather or great-grandfather would recognize. Medical (and pharmaceutical) science is the reason.

    For most of their lives, starting with their first few periods, women use birth control. Not to avoid pregnancy, but to control their periods. Most women at least some of the time have very severe mood swings and extensive bleeding; this is mostly controlled by birth control hormones now.

    Young girls and women also use drugs like Prozac to control panic attacks, depression and severe menstrual symptoms. Prozac is the fundamental reason that many women can now participate in large organizations for an entire career. There was often a practical reason that ancient or primitive societies required women to withdraw from social interaction for a week every month.

    Women now believe that they can control their own minds and bodies; why shouldn't they also believe that they can (and should) control society around them to further ease their minds?

    Will the West tell women they can't have birth control or Prozac whenever they want it? I doubt it.

    Will the West at some point tell women that their control over society and social discourse also needs to have practical limits. We'll see.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Alden

    , @John Johnson
    @Altai

    Law enforcement should be masked as they are in Mexico and Russia.

    There is too much rush to judgement with social media and the police should be able to do their jobs without being involuntary actors for a television program.

    , @Alfa158
    @Altai

    As far as I can see only one of the three girls is actually a Swede. Is that the normal demographic ratio now in Sweden as it is in the US, or is that because this occurred in Stockholm which is one of heavily colonized urban areas? I haven’t been in Sweden in over 20 years so I don’t know how far under it has gone.

  15. “American universities in particular depend on attracting students with over-provisioned campuses and entertaining student-life programs. They are basically massive amusement parks for young adults. Sooner or later, people will begin to think twice about paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to live in a prison camp.”

    This. All day long.

  16. they all thought neoclassical architecture was the proper idiom for public buildings

    Not just public buildings: having lived in a Georgian flat in Edinburgh’s New Town I can tell you that it had a wonderfully practical, as well as beautiful, design.

  17. This article gets it exactly right, but it can be distilled further: Wokeness sells itself as inclusive, but it can never name what it is really being inclusive of, which is mediocrity, encompassing both intellectual stupidity and psychological immaturity.

    It essentially allows less capable people to have a voice in public conversation, which works well for Wokeness, as one of the main threads of the last 200 years has been the entry of ever more people into that “the public”. In this regards, social media has been the ultimate catalyst. Now even provincial children can enter the conversation.

    And how else could the ideology of the public sphere change to allow more people into it? The ideology has to be such so that people in the public sphere see themselves in it, and that people entering are able to understand the basic principles and see themselves too. Wokeness fits this bill, just as Containment ideology allows the germophobes equal access.

    Previous iterations of public sphere ideology, like “women are homemakers and men belong in the public sphere because they are rational” or something, obviously can’t work for a time when women have entered in force. And trying to stop groups from entering the public sphere is like trying to hold back the tides. The only reason that it was more exclusive in the past was due to a lack of resources and technology-enabling interaction. As those constraints disappear, so the reigning ideology changes, with the young as the vanguard, and elite institutions often seeing the writing on the wall first.

    The funniest irony of all of this is that Wokeness’ obsession with black and trans people is also its ultimate insult to them. They are seen as the perfect examples of previously excluded peoples and exactly why standards of psychological and intellectual ability have to be lowered so that everyone can be let in. Even while all people in the public sphere have to be openly validated so this can never be acknowledged.

    [MORE]

    What we really need is for Wokeness to develop an end point, rather than a semi-static hierarchy that is designed to compensate for the unequal distribution of competence, as it has now.

    The reason why this is crucial is because it gives people something to work towards, and by this I mean work towards something internally. it needs an aspect of self-development, rather than social change, otherwise it is just idiots changing things in the hope that they become less stupid, with no way of even recognising who might have better ideas.

    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it. Obviously this will make everything work better for everyone, but can only happen once Wokeism finds a language to model how such development, even spiritual, looks.

    I suggest that it is oddly internally consistent for Wokeism to see someone being non-reactive, curious and unprovocable as the most developed person. This is what people involved seem to be trying, with no conscious idea, to achieve. Once this personal developmental direction is spelled out and a natural hierarchy based on developed qualities, rather than an ideological one, is in place, things should become much more sensible.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it.
     
    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Triteleia Laxa

    So, the Woke need to become spiritualized Northern European civnats and all will be well?

    Words fail me, my friend; there is not a single chance in hell that this will ever happen, so staking one's hopes on this is a no go.

    As the post which serves as the springboard for Steve's post contends, the self-organizing element of Wokery actually depends on its adherents finding some personal benefit in this belief structure. As uncentralized as this may be, Steve has frequently outlined such motivating factors: ugly? Devalue all cultural ideals of beauty; not intelligent? Mock all hierarchies of competence and wisdom. The list goes on, and the linking thread seems obvious, i.e., ressentiment,as so well outlined by Nietzsche.

    There is in reality nothing spiritual or intellectually sound about this, and expecting those who embrace it to advance their spurious ends are the last ones one should anticipate would rise to such a challenge; rather, their modus operandi is to turn their back on genuine self-criticism, whether in the spiritual or the intellectual spheres. They look to actively avoid anything like this.

    Degradation, belittlement, punishment of those who make them feel insecure...these are the tools that they wield. Envy is their motivation, in short, and hatred comes as second nature.

    , @J.Ross
    @Triteleia Laxa

    To the point about inferiority (which I have independently stumbled across in my contrast between the physics postgrad and the tranny, as surely have thousands of others), the New Discourses guy in his devastation of Critical Theory video claims (credibly) that he has a specific widely attested illustration: there's a woke spinoff called dietetics (not Dianetics), which is the application of critical nonsense to nutrition. Inevitably the dieteticians sooner or later bring up that they had aspired to run a health food store, a restaurant, a food brand, or something like that; they couldn't into business, tried to bring in that which the market would not bear; went out of business, thought about it, and finally decided that it wasn't their fault, it was really everybody else's fault.
    They are literally sour grapes; they are people who couldn't carry a bucket, and who now insist that water needs to be free.

  18. All of this is to say that Wokeness was selected from many aspiring ideological and intellectual programs, because it gave the right things to the right people.

    The heart of CRT. If you believe that morality, politics, and law are about power only, and exist to protect the powerful, why would I want you in charge? Nothing constrains you, except the confused remnants of morality that doesn’t really exist.

    Any morality you preach must be a way to manipulate the gullible who still believe in such things.

  19. Well, this is a long-winded play on Elmer’s Law by swapping “feminization” with “woke”. Admittedly they are closely related :

    When an organization becomes woke, focus shifts from the efficient production of goods and services to the creation of rules for the comfort and security of the woke. Ossification and organizational collapse are inevitable.

    • Agree: Yancey Ward
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Wokeness was born of feminism. The entire point of feminism, besides (one of the few things he got right) Rush's point--that it gave ugly women access to the mainstream--was to neutralize male assertiveness so as to make room for women not only in the workplaces, but eventually in charge of the workplace. It neutered objectivity, in that no one could criticize female candidacy for various jobs, nor their performance once hired, while at the same time, relied upon the inherit white knight culture to bandwagon all men into silence. So while women rose through the ranks, or were given unentitled positions, or academic entrances, they very much counted on a certain majority of men, to protect their status via chivalry.

    Wokeness uses civnats to do the same thing in the larger culture. On immigration and race. SO many white knight civnats rush in to quote "Dr" Martin Luther King, or talk about their really nice Somalian neighbor, etc etc...while the same woke pushers TRASH these civnats publicly. Regardless, they can still count on these civnats to seal off any Overton Windows when it comes to full on ends to illegal (or legal) immigration or affirmative action. If you have ever been in a conference room with a group of white civnats they are indistinguishable on cultural issues in front of those that hate them, than white knights covering for that incompetent female hire in a mixed room of male and female employees.

    "Of course women can lead an airborne unit..."

    "I don't care if your black, white, brown, green or purple..."

  20. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    Very helpful. Thanks.

  21. I tend to believe for a lot of the big ills that there is no organised plan, so no argument there. People just make the same stupid moves to fit in with the existing stupidity and to wield power, as this post describes very well.

    I highlighted the spelling above to note that the non-American Mr. Eugyppius perhaps is too ignorant of, but more likely, too cowardly, to mention the racial aspect of wokeness:

    For non-White students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, as an opportunity for social networking, and as a locus for the periodic ritual entertainment of false moral outrages and protests.

    FIFH. Wokeness is inherently anti-White-male. Why didn’t this guy state that? Without the White bogeyman, Wokeness would be nothing.

    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This omission makes me question whether eugyppius himself is bowing down to the gods of Wokeness. He writes a whole essay about wokeness without once mentioning the B word or the R word. Although "diversity" supposedly applies to all groups, it is really a code word for "black". For example, a school that is 99% black can be said to be "very diverse". The favoring of less qualified blacks over whites, especially white men, is the be-all and end-all of Wokeness - everyone else is secondary. And yet eugyppius completely ignores the racial dimensions of Wokeness.

    If you were a Martian reading his essay, you wouldn't even know what Wokeness was about. Maybe he takes it for granted that we know, but it's strange that he doesn't mention it. It would be like a Roman writing about this strange new religion called Christianity that is all the rage, without mentioning Jesus.

    I also disagree with his comparison of Wokeness to anti-Covid measures. Reasonable measures for the prevention of Covid are simple to comply with and are not fundamentally destructive of instititions. Having to wear a little piece of cloth on your face or stick a swap up your nose once in a while is very different from losing your job so that Shawniqwa can take it. It's more like the security theater that we undergo at airports - yes it is inconvenient and often pointless but in the end you still get on the plane and reach you destination so it is only a minor distraction.

    Otherwise, what he has described is a "purity spiral" which is a known defect in human programming. Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild - people lose their jobs but not their lives. BLM has cost a certain # of lives but mostly among other blacks. However, there is a disturbing trend at universities located adjacent to ghettoes - just in the last couple of days, white students at Temple and at Columbia have been murdered by ghetto thugs.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Ian M.
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But Wokeness has attractions for white students as well, for much the same reasons given, so it's not clear why he should have specified 'non-white students' in the passage you highlighted. Mr. Eugyppius may or may not be a coward - I'd never heard of him before reading this post - but it never would have occurred to me to think that he may be one based on that passage.


    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.
     
    It's true that Wokeness is only explicitly against the cultural traditions of white society. But the cultural traditions of favored minorities will not fare any better in the long run. The collective identity permitted to favored minorities is only a tool to further the ultimate goal of radical individual autonomy by destroying any collective identity that the dominant majority and culture might have. Consider: what is the justification given for the existence of a collective identity on the part of some ‘victim’ minority? The justification is not fundamentally so that its members can preserve their own culture and honor their ancestors; rather, the justification is their very status as members of an ‘oppressed’ class: their collective identity is needed to challenge and subvert the white racism of the oppressor class, because this white racism is an obstacle to the freedom and equality of minorities. In fact, the very existence of such oppressed classes is often regarded as having been entirely socially constructed for the purposes of exploitation by the white oppressor class. The rationale given for the legitimacy of collective identities for favored minorities is almost entirely a negative one.

    Wokeness pays lip service to the preservation of minority cultures, all while destroying them with its universal acid.
    , @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If I am so smart how come I am not richer than you and The Wild Geese Howard? I am going to file this as yet another one of life's (baffling) mysteries

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  22. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    Taylor Swift and her ilk should be locked down at home for other reasons, but you make great points here, Altai. It’s not just the social media, but the fact that feminism has had men putting up with and taking women’s stupid feminist crap seriously for half a century.

  23. I read “abandoned my professorial career” and was hooked. Although not a prof, I’m a close observer of my local Podunk Tech, and I’ve known a few profs who’ve been forced from or nearly forced from their academic careers.

    I only scanned eugyppius‘s article and liked it. I’d suggest surrender, collaboration, and mimesis as the watchwords of Woke-ism.

    Surrender to what? Collaboration with what? Mimesis of what?

    Well, the 1960s, loosely speaking. Black rioting in an uneasy combo with feminists, gays, and a few other movements (e. g., American Indians) frightened a profoundly lazy Establishment into, for want of a better term, caving with legislation and SCOTUS decisions that turned Dujuan, Suzie Sidesaddle, Lance, and Tom Horsefeathers into members of a “protected category”.

    You’re not in a “protected category”. I’m not in a “protected category”. If you are in a “protected category”, you may enjoy claims to jobs and moneys just by having a breath in your lungs, and the option of using a “victim card” that is in practice unassailable.

    Woke-ism is just an alternate term for collaboration, and I mean collaboration in the sense used by loyalist citizens in the countries occupied in WWII.

    The author is mistaken a bit. Woke-ism is organized—by our government. The collaborators play ball, though, each in his own way.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @JackOH

    I think it would be a blast if the GOP Presidential Primaries included at least two candidates whose platform included, front and center, the addition of Straight White Men to the Feds "Protected class" status.

    Replies: @JackOH

  24. I have seen the Kung Flu stupidity that this man describes writ large at the local university. The signs in one building (but probably all of them) say “Please choose to wear a face mask.” Well other signs say it’s mandatory, but I choose to follow the first sign which clearly implies it’s my choice.

    Then, in the same building there’s a post-it note board for writing gentle, snowflakey, woke tidbits. My boy did me proud, with some choice anti-PanicFest comments, when he was there with my wife. Amazingly, she helped(!), and put his note way up top for him. My notes were of the “Bendovah and take my jab – A. Fauci, Proctologist-in-Training” variety, and some of them are still up.

    I LUV LUV LUV pissing people off now! That a big silver lining in a country full of Communists who (face palm) simply forgot to disarm the population first. Who does that?!

    ************* Different topic ************

    Sooner or later, people will begin to think twice about paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to live in a prison camp. The destruction will start at less selective schools and proceed upwards. How high it will go, nobody knows. …

    This guy’s on the right track, but he doesn’t understand the economics. Lots of people would already not pay money out of their own pockets for this crap. It is US Feral Gov’t-backed student loans that drive this University Bubble. Tuition goes sky high, with the money going to the fancy facilities he describes but also to all those Diversity Facilitators*. It can go sky high because the students and their parents can be told “don’t worry – we’ll help you with the paperwork to get the loans to cover this. We got this.”

    I think people will eventually get wise to not just the indoctrination of their kids, but to the economic idiocy of having them graduate, still have no great job, but have a mortgage-sized debt after this scam.

    .

    * Were I in charge, first thing I would do is to fire anyone with the word “facilitator” in his job description. “Facilities” is fine.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Same with the bubble in healthcare costs.

    It is largely fueled by government spending on programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, as well as the commercial healthcare insurance companies.

    There is a general tendency in the United States, which perhaps is a reflection of the personalities of its peoples, to carry everything to the extreme, and then keep on going after the extreme is reached.

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic

  25. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    Well said. I guess a question is how does this seeming collective insanity end – will it end – will it end western civilization if not?

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @usNthem


    Well said. I guess a question is how does this seeming collective insanity end – will it end – will it end western civilization if not?
     
    If we're lucky, after the famine and economic collapse, Western Civilization continues in widespread pockets with women more concerned about familial survival than voting, and with the Jewish elite in search of lodgings elsewhere.
  26. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    The second video shows the absolute efficiency and necessity of physical confrontation, especially in situations like this.

  27. “Decentralized Movement” brings to mind Proverbs 30:27: “locusts have no king, yet they advance together in ranks”.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  28. Semi-tangent: a truly astonishing merger of “”data science”” with relativist postmodernism:

    https://themarkup.org/prediction-bias/2021/12/02/crime-prediction-software-promised-to-be-free-of-biases-new-data-shows-it-perpetuates-them

    Some woke “quant” types did a massive amount of work to prove that predictive AI …. predicts more crimes in black neighborhoods than in white neighborhoods — and that this IN ITSELF counts as “bias.”

    They used to try to hand-wave away higher black crime rates as white people’s fault – no more. The entire piece studiously avoids even mentioning any actual crime rates.

    We used to think “woke postmodernism can’t ruin the quantitative fields” — no more. This is what it looks like.

    The whole piece is like a clown world version of Run Unz’s article on race and crime — triumphantly pointing to higher crime rates in black neighborhoods as… proof of racist AI!!

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BenjaminL

    A few good quotes from that ludicrous article:


    We asked MacDonald whether he was concerned about the race and income disparities. He didn’t address those questions directly but rather said the software mirrored reported crime rates “to help direct scarce police resources to protect the neighborhoods most at risk of victimization.” The company has long held the position that because the software doesn’t include race or other demographic information in its analysis, that “eliminates the possibility for privacy or civil rights violations seen with other intelligence-led or predictive policing models.”
     
    and

    The study authors developed a potential tweak to the algorithm that they said resulted in a more even distribution of crime predictions. But they found its predictions were less in line with later crime reports, making it less accurate than the original algorithm, although still “potentially more accurate” than human predictions.
     
    IOW, the software is even more accurate that humans at predicting where crime will occur, and this is somehow a problem.
  29. It stands to reason that blame falls on a Pareto distribution, like everything else.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Aeoli Pera

    It's less Paretian (in the modern, '80:20' sense), and more like a variant of a Simon Model or even Price's Model (sometimes referred to as Price's Law, by the sort of retard who wants anything interesting to be called 'Law').

    All three models are attempts to explain the tendency of some types of network to have very strongly skewed degree distributions - whereby the connectedness of 'nodes' follows some power-law distribution (rather than the uniform distribution that is the asymptotic unconstrained equilibrium).

    Price's Model was developed specifically for citation networks - so it's kind of relevant to discussions of the spread of written ideas in a discipline. Pareto, Simon and Price models all generate power-law distributions.

    Anyhow: long story longer... rather than the ~80:20 idea of 'the' Pareto Principle (whereby the most-productive quintile is responsible for 80% of output, be they ideas or widgets), Price's Model is more like 50:√N - the square root of the total number of participants in a field, gets 50% of all citations.

    Consider that type of distributional model as applied outside of academic citations, to the generation of 'influence' more broadly.

    As an example: in a network with 10,000 participants, the top 100 will get 50% of the network's influence-weight.

    That seems about right. Far better than 80:20; my guess would be that for large fields, the "next 30%" - from 50% to the 'Paretian' 80% - would be captured by the next few multiples of √N... and the bottom 90% (or so) would be fighting over the scraps.

    So some tiny fraction of Woke gibberish-generators, have enormous 'heft' as far as influence is concerned. The rest, not so much.

  30. This guy is good. I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about when he speaks of “hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty”.

    • Replies: @fish
    @International Jew

    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about when he speaks of “hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty”.



    Yeah......a real head scratcher there.....! My guess: Materials Science.

    , @AnotherDad
    @International Jew

    Agree with IJ. Very good essay/explanation of the academic drivers of wokeism. Thanks for posting this Steve.

    ~~

    I don't think there's any quick fix to this. We're so far down the road with minoritarianism that there isn't even a discussion to be had with these people.

    Republican politicians when in power need to crack down hard on the state university administrative apparat. But that's not going to "fix" this.


    Universities have become a cancer--a part of the nation's body turned against it, now a parasite killing it. What we need to shrink them down to size and cut them out.

    There is a wealth of knowledge and learning opportunity/options on-line. We simply don't need these bloated beasts to educate kids. Lab space for the scientists and engineers is about all they do that's socially useful. The humanities and social sciences are now pretty thoroughly anti-knowledge, anti-education.

    Bring in competency exams where young people--people of any age--can demonstrate skills from basic literacy, numeracy up through subject matter competency. It simply does not take a college "education" to do most of the white collar work people do. Competency is a matter of some level of smarts--depending on the job--some level of reading and writing competency, some numeracy, ability to read graphs, data, maybe handle a spreadsheet or the IQ to learn whatever software tools are required for the job. And then all the usual--interpersonal skills, discipline, work effort.

    Give kids--and their families--a way to completely sidestep these cancerous universities and get going with life. The rewards to that both economic and political are huge.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    , @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about
     
    All of them.

    This guy is good.
     
    Agreed. I've been reading eugyppius for a while, and so am pleased that he's got Steve's attention too. I believe he's some kind of German. Embarrassingly to me, like most educated Northern Continental Europeans, he writes and speaks better and more incisive English than the median American.

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    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be. Administrators or department chairs are constantly in danger of being outflanked on their left, and so they must adopt and endorse the most radical line to maintain their position. Otherwise they will be accused of racism or sexism or whatever and replaced by even more unhinged dangerous people.
     
    I wonder in what ways, if any, Wokeness is different from the Cultural Revolution in China? IMHO, Wokeness is the Cultural Revolution finally come to the West. This is sort of good news/bad news type of thing. Good news because this it has been incipient for a long time* and now the tension is finally over. Bad news because a) it's bad, and b) it only ended in China when the Army got fed up and shot the most irksome Cultural Revolutionaries along with anyone in the vicinity. The Woke seem to have noticed this too and so they are trying to obviate this endgame by taking over the military themselves, and it looks like they are succeeding. (This implies, by the way, that Wokeness is not quite so decentralized as eugyppius thinks.) There remains of course the reserve army of armed citizenry, perhaps the largest in the world, but they are disorganized, not-so-well regulated, and not necessarily all opposed to Wokeness. History is full of small and organized forces defeating large and disorganized forces. Will it happen again? We may all live to find out.

    ---------

    *It has been foretold to a certain extent by some speculative fiction-y writers. Besides Jean Raspail, Doris Lessing's Shikasta (coincidentally also written in the 1970s) was even more on point on the intersectional totem pole. She erred, however, in anticipating a more class/economic divisiveness rather than ethnic/racial.

    Hitler turned out to be the radical that everyone consciously or unconsciously emulates rather than Marx or Lenin. Marxists can pontificate all they want, but at the end of the day, the knuckledraggers had it right: your skin is your uniform.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Bardon Kaldian

  31. I think he’s right, but I think the same kind of argument can be applied to the infection control precautions for Covid-19.

    Public health officials and politicians do not want to be on the wrong side of history, so they will always err on the side of additional precautions.

    For example, Ecuador has just introduced a new rule that anybody arriving in the country must have proof of vaccine plus a negative PCR test.

    This is not because anybody in Ecuador is actually profiting from vaccine passports, but because it just seems to politicians like a sensible common sense precaution to protect the population which is now vaccinated at the rate of over 70% down to the age of five, mostly with Sinovac.

    Politicians hate to look at the morning papers and see headlines like “a million Americans died of covid-19 since Biden took office.” Politicians tend to trust what the medical experts say, because they have no medical expertise themselves.

    It doesn’t matter what country it is, politicians are basically all the same, and they want people to think that they did what was for the best.

    What is fascinating is that every country has its own idea of what is best. In the Caribbean region there are many micronations that depend heavily on north American and European tourism to earn foreign currency, and they have approached the question of how to deal with Covid-19 in a myriad of different ways, but without any real coordinated approach.

    To the basic consumer or reader of Unz review it appears that the fact that, say, Barbados requires proof of vaccination and testing before travel as well as testing on arrival and then having to get a test before going back to the United States within 24 hours of travel is proof of a conspiracy to make money by excessive testing and charges for vaccine passports and vaccine apps, but in fact it is just politicians and administrators helplessly flapping their wings and trying to give the impression to the world that they are doing the right thing.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    The problem for me is, Jonathan, that they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that. You will never get this. You seem to have absolutely no inkling of what the words freedom and liberty mean.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Jonathan Mason

    The reason that the political class is able to 'err on the side of additional precautions' - without bothering to establish whether the 'precautions' can be expected to work - is because they do not bear the cost of error[1].

    It's really as simple as that.

    The actual tangible, personal consequences of bad decisions have been virtually eliminated, since the rise of the Party Jobber in Western 'representative' systems of government.

    A manifestly incompetent boob might lose a Cabinet position - if they can't find a way to duck-shove a policy-failure onto someone else. If they've shown sufficient loyalty to the Party to get to Cabinet level, they are not going to lose their seat unless the entire Party is swept from power.

    I've long said that all Party-Jobbers should have to nominate a member of their next-of-kin as a hostage who would be executed if the Party-Jobber implements (or advocates for) a policy that is subsequently shown to have no empirical basis. In situations where the policy 'failure' results in the deaths of commoners, the Jobber's entire family should be executed (leave the Jobber alive, in the hope that they experience the full measure of grief for the rest of their lives).

    That would focus their minds. If 'W', Cheney, and the neocons all knew that they were putting their entire families on the line, maybe they wouldn't have unleashed the Death Machine. If Ferguson knew that his family would face lethal consequences from his 2-decade string of Chicken Little 'forecasts', maybe he would have approached his task with the circumspection it requires.

    OK, maybe not Cheney.


    [1] In all of the foregoing, the assumption is that the publicly-stated objective of the policy, is the actual objective. That's actually monumentally unlikely: policy is framed with some specific set of undisclosed beneficiaries in mind. That set of beneficiaries is not generally known to the public (and is certainly not the public at large).

    In reality, there are no 'failed' policies, as Robert Higgs famously wrote ~25 years ago in The Myth of "Failed" Policies.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @LondonBob
    @Jonathan Mason

    Its all top down, Soros and others funding wokeness, Gates funding public health. These chaps are spending vast sums for a reason.

    Replies: @JackOH

  32. The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.

    The last 50 years have seen a huge surge in the percentage of the population that has some kind of college degree, and a lot of people assume that means a proportionate share of the population are truly qualified for the types of jobs that required this credential a generation ago. This naturally causes a lot of angst for believers because mass credentialization hasn’t meant an accompanying increase in the share of the population who makes upper middle class money nor has it meant a meaningfully larger share of minorities (which really means blacks) that fall into that economic classification either.

    Wokeness then insists that every institution be hammered into the appropriate demographic mix because that’s justice, but obviously the problem is that this just isn’t possible to achieve organically in traditional academia or business where you actually need some brains to have a position that is at the core of these institutions. So you create make-work positions to get to the demographic mix desired, but they are not positions upon which the success or failure of the institution is determined.

    Anyway, it solves nothing but then again we have an unsolvable problem: either get the public to accept a society in which the economic distribution is highly unequal from a racial perspective in perpetuity, or live with a society in which we constantly lie about the value of diversity and have some form of affirmative action for appearance’s sake.

    I do think we are somewhere near high tide for wokeness however. As with bussing, close proximity tends to dispel the myths one has been taught and they are replaced with cold, hard real world experience. The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.
     
    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won't win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly--"calling a spade, a spade"--is a big part of that.

    I've yet to hear a Republican politician--even a Trump/MAGA type--use the word "parasite". But that's an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants--amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful--a large percentage in the state or "state adjacent" (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    "The parasite party" has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res, @Ragno, @Arclight

    , @res
    @Arclight


    The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.
     
    Indeed. The backlash should be interesting when it inevitably comes. I think the long term fate of wokeness is to be reviled as bringing about the kinds of things they claimed to be fighting against (e.g. more racism).

    Replies: @Arclight

  33. “…the Woke haven’t exactly matched neoclassicism for inspiring monuments like the Arc de Triomphe…”

    Maybe not, but in the land of torn-down Wypipo statues, the George Floyd Touring Hologram is King.

  34. Thanks for publishing this, Steve, because this piece touches all the bases. Wokery exposed as formless, empty dreck trussed up as Deep Thought which is in reality as deep as a drop of water, albeit as a symptom of one of the darker sides of so-called “liberal democracy”, namely the tendency to drift, however temporarily, into what amounts to borderline totalitarianism.

  35. The security state sees wokeness as a tool of Cognitive Warfare.

    Ginning up wokesters is how you lay the ground for a Color Revolution, in Belarus or against Trump populism.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2021/10/13/natos-plans-to-hack-your-brain/

    Orwell noted that people must participate, willfully, in double-think, without government mandate. The job of the security state is to make the conditions happen, usually with the application of cash and job incentives to steer the flock in the desired direction.

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    I have seen the Kung Flu stupidity that this man describes writ large at the local university. The signs in one building (but probably all of them) say "Please choose to wear a face mask." Well other signs say it's mandatory, but I choose to follow the first sign which clearly implies it's my choice.

    Then, in the same building there's a post-it note board for writing gentle, snowflakey, woke tidbits. My boy did me proud, with some choice anti-PanicFest comments, when he was there with my wife. Amazingly, she helped(!), and put his note way up top for him. My notes were of the "Bendovah and take my jab - A. Fauci, Proctologist-in-Training" variety, and some of them are still up.

    I LUV LUV LUV pissing people off now! That a big silver lining in a country full of Communists who (face palm) simply forgot to disarm the population first. Who does that?!

    ************* Different topic ************


    Sooner or later, people will begin to think twice about paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to live in a prison camp. The destruction will start at less selective schools and proceed upwards. How high it will go, nobody knows. …
     
    This guy's on the right track, but he doesn't understand the economics. Lots of people would already not pay money out of their own pockets for this crap. It is US Feral Gov't-backed student loans that drive this University Bubble. Tuition goes sky high, with the money going to the fancy facilities he describes but also to all those Diversity Facilitators*. It can go sky high because the students and their parents can be told "don't worry - we'll help you with the paperwork to get the loans to cover this. We got this."

    I think people will eventually get wise to not just the indoctrination of their kids, but to the economic idiocy of having them graduate, still have no great job, but have a mortgage-sized debt after this scam.


    .

    * Were I in charge, first thing I would do is to fire anyone with the word "facilitator" in his job description. "Facilities" is fine.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Same with the bubble in healthcare costs.

    It is largely fueled by government spending on programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, as well as the commercial healthcare insurance companies.

    There is a general tendency in the United States, which perhaps is a reflection of the personalities of its peoples, to carry everything to the extreme, and then keep on going after the extreme is reached.

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason


    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.
     
    Just a note:

    Most of our kritarchy problem is not really this. There is no coherent "interpretation of the law" that is being followed. It is simply elite--lawyers and judges--arrogance marching under the banner of minoritarian--"minorities uber alles"--ideology.

    Any straightforward interpretation of American Constitutional law simply dumps most public issues back to the states (federalism) to be worked out by ordinary politics and elected legislatures making/changing laws.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    I missed this event. What are you talking about?

  37. It’s suggestive that one approach is: defund the universities.
    It would be like social chemotherapy – introducing lethal poison at the same time as shutting down nutrition delivery – but we do this to starve and kill a cancer before the cancer kills the patient.

    On the other side – when it works – you get a healthy patient getting on with her life.

    If not undertaken, the patient surely dies.

  38. • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Percy Gryce

    Alright- but what these Catholic converts have to do with the topic?

    And Wincklemann was, as I recall correctly, first & foremost, a boy-chaser....

    , @Pratt
    @Percy Gryce

    Winckelmann was gay, and ended killed in Italy by a cook. There is an argument over whether the murderer's motivation was greed (he knew that Winckelmann carried some gold coins with himself) or whether it was a homosexual thing.

  39. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Same with the bubble in healthcare costs.

    It is largely fueled by government spending on programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, as well as the commercial healthcare insurance companies.

    There is a general tendency in the United States, which perhaps is a reflection of the personalities of its peoples, to carry everything to the extreme, and then keep on going after the extreme is reached.

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    Just a note:

    Most of our kritarchy problem is not really this. There is no coherent “interpretation of the law” that is being followed. It is simply elite–lawyers and judges–arrogance marching under the banner of minoritarian–“minorities uber alles”–ideology.

    Any straightforward interpretation of American Constitutional law simply dumps most public issues back to the states (federalism) to be worked out by ordinary politics and elected legislatures making/changing laws.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, J.Ross
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @AnotherDad

    I believe Mr. Mason is referring to the regnant interpretation of the Second Amendment.

  40. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    Women don’t really exist anymore, in the West, in any form that your grandfather or great-grandfather would recognize. Medical (and pharmaceutical) science is the reason.

    For most of their lives, starting with their first few periods, women use birth control. Not to avoid pregnancy, but to control their periods. Most women at least some of the time have very severe mood swings and extensive bleeding; this is mostly controlled by birth control hormones now.

    Young girls and women also use drugs like Prozac to control panic attacks, depression and severe menstrual symptoms. Prozac is the fundamental reason that many women can now participate in large organizations for an entire career. There was often a practical reason that ancient or primitive societies required women to withdraw from social interaction for a week every month.

    Women now believe that they can control their own minds and bodies; why shouldn’t they also believe that they can (and should) control society around them to further ease their minds?

    Will the West tell women they can’t have birth control or Prozac whenever they want it? I doubt it.

    Will the West at some point tell women that their control over society and social discourse also needs to have practical limits. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Anon7

    The period is essentially what it means to be a female human. Good point. Most species don't have that moment.

    , @Alden
    @Anon7

    Good God, what brought that on? Why are the women haters so obsessed with women? And how do you know what women feel at certain times of the month? Are you interested in oby gyny porn.?

  41. @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason


    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.
     
    Just a note:

    Most of our kritarchy problem is not really this. There is no coherent "interpretation of the law" that is being followed. It is simply elite--lawyers and judges--arrogance marching under the banner of minoritarian--"minorities uber alles"--ideology.

    Any straightforward interpretation of American Constitutional law simply dumps most public issues back to the states (federalism) to be worked out by ordinary politics and elected legislatures making/changing laws.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I believe Mr. Mason is referring to the regnant interpretation of the Second Amendment.

  42. @International Jew
    This guy is good. I wonder what field(s) he's talking about when he speaks of "hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty".

    Replies: @fish, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about when he speaks of “hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty”.

    Yeah……a real head scratcher there…..! My guess: Materials Science.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  43. @International Jew
    This guy is good. I wonder what field(s) he's talking about when he speaks of "hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty".

    Replies: @fish, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    Agree with IJ. Very good essay/explanation of the academic drivers of wokeism. Thanks for posting this Steve.

    ~~

    I don’t think there’s any quick fix to this. We’re so far down the road with minoritarianism that there isn’t even a discussion to be had with these people.

    Republican politicians when in power need to crack down hard on the state university administrative apparat. But that’s not going to “fix” this.

    Universities have become a cancer–a part of the nation’s body turned against it, now a parasite killing it. What we need to shrink them down to size and cut them out.

    There is a wealth of knowledge and learning opportunity/options on-line. We simply don’t need these bloated beasts to educate kids. Lab space for the scientists and engineers is about all they do that’s socially useful. The humanities and social sciences are now pretty thoroughly anti-knowledge, anti-education.

    Bring in competency exams where young people–people of any age–can demonstrate skills from basic literacy, numeracy up through subject matter competency. It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do. Competency is a matter of some level of smarts–depending on the job–some level of reading and writing competency, some numeracy, ability to read graphs, data, maybe handle a spreadsheet or the IQ to learn whatever software tools are required for the job. And then all the usual–interpersonal skills, discipline, work effort.

    Give kids–and their families–a way to completely sidestep these cancerous universities and get going with life. The rewards to that both economic and political are huge.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    , @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    Agree, but as we have discussed before, the coagulation of judicial detritus around the badly-judged Griggs v. Duke Power decision has rendered free market solutions moot. Colleges are now the de facto monopoly gatekeepers for white collar employment. They like it way (it has been enormously profitable for them—possibly one of the greatest unearned wealth transfers in history) and they will fight to keep it.

    So you can do things around the margin to sidestep this elephant in the room, but until the center collapses and the margins prevail (e.g., in a currency collapse scenario), the only way to have a broad restoration of moral sanity is that someone has to shoot the elephant. In theory, this could be done by simple legislation. Unfortunately, the most that a Republican Congress has ever done for the Americans who elected it is simply not persecute them as much as the Dems would. Rollback has never been on the menu, no matter how large their majority. And with open borders, DIE, and increasingly aggressive Dem ballot-stuffing, large majorities for Repubs are a thing of the past.

    Replies: @Jack D

  44. Wokery is a deadly virus.

  45. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    Law enforcement should be masked as they are in Mexico and Russia.

    There is too much rush to judgement with social media and the police should be able to do their jobs without being involuntary actors for a television program.

  46. @International Jew
    This guy is good. I wonder what field(s) he's talking about when he speaks of "hordes of incapable hostile junior faculty".

    Replies: @fish, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about

    All of them.

    This guy is good.

    Agreed. I’ve been reading eugyppius for a while, and so am pleased that he’s got Steve’s attention too. I believe he’s some kind of German. Embarrassingly to me, like most educated Northern Continental Europeans, he writes and speaks better and more incisive English than the median American.

    ———

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be. Administrators or department chairs are constantly in danger of being outflanked on their left, and so they must adopt and endorse the most radical line to maintain their position. Otherwise they will be accused of racism or sexism or whatever and replaced by even more unhinged dangerous people.

    I wonder in what ways, if any, Wokeness is different from the Cultural Revolution in China? IMHO, Wokeness is the Cultural Revolution finally come to the West. This is sort of good news/bad news type of thing. Good news because this it has been incipient for a long time* and now the tension is finally over. Bad news because a) it’s bad, and b) it only ended in China when the Army got fed up and shot the most irksome Cultural Revolutionaries along with anyone in the vicinity. The Woke seem to have noticed this too and so they are trying to obviate this endgame by taking over the military themselves, and it looks like they are succeeding. (This implies, by the way, that Wokeness is not quite so decentralized as eugyppius thinks.) There remains of course the reserve army of armed citizenry, perhaps the largest in the world, but they are disorganized, not-so-well regulated, and not necessarily all opposed to Wokeness. History is full of small and organized forces defeating large and disorganized forces. Will it happen again? We may all live to find out.

    ———

    *It has been foretold to a certain extent by some speculative fiction-y writers. Besides Jean Raspail, Doris Lessing’s Shikasta (coincidentally also written in the 1970s) was even more on point on the intersectional totem pole. She erred, however, in anticipating a more class/economic divisiveness rather than ethnic/racial.

    Hitler turned out to be the radical that everyone consciously or unconsciously emulates rather than Marx or Lenin. Marxists can pontificate all they want, but at the end of the day, the knuckledraggers had it right: your skin is your uniform.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Almost Missouri

    The big difference is that the Cultural Revolution was the result of one man using the mob to eliminate bureaucratic Communism, whereas in the United States, it's every mainstream institution using the mob with selective bureaucratic enforcement still in there.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    This has very little in common with the Cultural Revolution. That turmoil was basically an internal power struggle within CCP, with Mao successfully, for some time, manipulating the masses to strengthen his position- but he was not alone in this. This mass hysteria was supported by Mao's faction within the CCP, and those more reform-oriented temporarily lost because what they offered was slow & painful progress- while Mao's faction offered instant paradise, and lunatic masses bought, as usual, the instant fake solution.

    Mao was not in complete control of the army, and his supporters within CCP cooled off after numerous incidents. Having defeated the relatively reasonable, but uninspiring wing of the party, they found themselves, as did Mao, in an unenviable position of a weakened hysterical dysfunctional country.

    This story is completely different from the US mass lunacy, which has different social, cultural 6 economical roots. I would say that the US Cultural Revolution is something almost inevitable, having in mind the last 60 years; the Chinese Cultural Revolution was, on closer inspection, something almost completely avoidable & unnecessary. The same with Stalin's purges in the 1930s.

  47. 50,000 plans, all genocidal against white people. It’s the war crimes that matter, not the organizational plan that brought them to fruition.

  48. @Achmed E. Newman
    I tend to believe for a lot of the big ills that there is no organised plan, so no argument there. People just make the same stupid moves to fit in with the existing stupidity and to wield power, as this post describes very well.

    I highlighted the spelling above to note that the non-American Mr. Eugyppius perhaps is too ignorant of, but more likely, too cowardly, to mention the racial aspect of wokeness:


    For non-White students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, as an opportunity for social networking, and as a locus for the periodic ritual entertainment of false moral outrages and protests.
     
    FIFH. Wokeness is inherently anti-White-male. Why didn't this guy state that? Without the White bogeyman, Wokeness would be nothing.

    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian M., @Clyde

    This omission makes me question whether eugyppius himself is bowing down to the gods of Wokeness. He writes a whole essay about wokeness without once mentioning the B word or the R word. Although “diversity” supposedly applies to all groups, it is really a code word for “black”. For example, a school that is 99% black can be said to be “very diverse”. The favoring of less qualified blacks over whites, especially white men, is the be-all and end-all of Wokeness – everyone else is secondary. And yet eugyppius completely ignores the racial dimensions of Wokeness.

    If you were a Martian reading his essay, you wouldn’t even know what Wokeness was about. Maybe he takes it for granted that we know, but it’s strange that he doesn’t mention it. It would be like a Roman writing about this strange new religion called Christianity that is all the rage, without mentioning Jesus.

    I also disagree with his comparison of Wokeness to anti-Covid measures. Reasonable measures for the prevention of Covid are simple to comply with and are not fundamentally destructive of instititions. Having to wear a little piece of cloth on your face or stick a swap up your nose once in a while is very different from losing your job so that Shawniqwa can take it. It’s more like the security theater that we undergo at airports – yes it is inconvenient and often pointless but in the end you still get on the plane and reach you destination so it is only a minor distraction.

    Otherwise, what he has described is a “purity spiral” which is a known defect in human programming. Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild – people lose their jobs but not their lives. BLM has cost a certain # of lives but mostly among other blacks. However, there is a disturbing trend at universities located adjacent to ghettoes – just in the last couple of days, white students at Temple and at Columbia have been murdered by ghetto thugs.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild – people lose their jobs but not their lives.
     
    I think you're failing to see that this wokeness is a prelude, not the end. We're in the early Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines stage now, except the message is coming from every institution all at once. As I wrote before, the investigators won't find "extremism" in Darrell Brooks's social media rantings because what he writes is indistinguishable from what you find in academia, cable news channels, NPR and the New York Times. How can this be "extreme?" The actual killings are thus far intermittent and disorganized but certainly form a discernible pattern.

    You also seem not to recognize that purges have the primary effect of cowing would-be dissidents, which is certainly a current fact of our social and political life.

    Replies: @Pratt

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    I was right with you till the Covid business, but more so the TSA security theater. You are right about that term, Jack, but putting up with it is just plain admitting that they can take away other rights just the same way. There are no two ways about it, the searches done by the TSA are a complete violation of Amendment IV of the US Constitution.

    What's it gonna be 20 years from now? Wait, I mean, if there's a US left, that is.

    OTOH, I don't disagree with you that the Kung Flu Totalitarianism has much to do with wokeness. That's a good point.

  49. @Arclight
    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn't get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia - that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.

    The last 50 years have seen a huge surge in the percentage of the population that has some kind of college degree, and a lot of people assume that means a proportionate share of the population are truly qualified for the types of jobs that required this credential a generation ago. This naturally causes a lot of angst for believers because mass credentialization hasn't meant an accompanying increase in the share of the population who makes upper middle class money nor has it meant a meaningfully larger share of minorities (which really means blacks) that fall into that economic classification either.

    Wokeness then insists that every institution be hammered into the appropriate demographic mix because that's justice, but obviously the problem is that this just isn't possible to achieve organically in traditional academia or business where you actually need some brains to have a position that is at the core of these institutions. So you create make-work positions to get to the demographic mix desired, but they are not positions upon which the success or failure of the institution is determined.

    Anyway, it solves nothing but then again we have an unsolvable problem: either get the public to accept a society in which the economic distribution is highly unequal from a racial perspective in perpetuity, or live with a society in which we constantly lie about the value of diversity and have some form of affirmative action for appearance's sake.

    I do think we are somewhere near high tide for wokeness however. As with bussing, close proximity tends to dispel the myths one has been taught and they are replaced with cold, hard real world experience. The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @res

    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.

    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won’t win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly–“calling a spade, a spade”–is a big part of that.

    I’ve yet to hear a Republican politician–even a Trump/MAGA type–use the word “parasite”. But that’s an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants–amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful–a large percentage in the state or “state adjacent” (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    “The parasite party” has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    Agree.

    The Parasite Party versus the Productive Party.

    Or really, simply the Parasites versus the Productive.

    Who will win?

    The fate of the world literally depends on it.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @res
    @AnotherDad

    Well said.


    But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful–a large percentage in the state or “state adjacent” (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).
     
    And you are being overly kind by leaving out the people who are net negative "contributors." Either by requiring others to support them or by more active means (causing death and destruction).

    BTW, there is much talk about needing immigrants to fund Social Security, etc. The problem is, that does not really work if the groups who immigrate don't make a (large enough to pick up the slack) net positive contribution.
    , @Ragno
    @AnotherDad


    I’ve yet to hear a Republican politician–even a Trump/MAGA type–use the word “parasite”. But that’s an absolute minimum requirement.
     
    Don't forget predators! They move right in once the parasites have been absorbed into the system. Given enough time, they will make short work of the parasites - perhaps this is why the parasite party always extends them a hearty welcome. (Kill me last, and like that.)
    , @Arclight
    @AnotherDad

    I think the balance needs to be more on the side of making a positive case for why the right should be someone's political home rather than the left. The easiest case in my mind and sort of of in line with your comments is we are hard working, independent winners, and the left is for people that need to be taken care of because they can't cut it themselves. As a famous terrorist once said, when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they will like the strong horse.

    Fetal position conservativism has been a disaster. Trump, for all his faults, was unafraid to be bold and sometimes sound like an ass, but people who are not 'supposed' to like him appreciated that about him.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  50. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    The top tier of society before the 1960s used to function as an elite that kept out the hoi polloi, and it took a great deal of satisfaction in doing so. They really didn’t want to mingle with the peasants. The whole Yuppie movement of the 1980s was an attempt to create a new aristocracy filled with snobbery and elitism, and the people involved in it went to some trouble to the score points off other people who were lower down the social scale.

    This all seems to be the reverse nowadays. I wonder why? The peasantry is even more annoying than ever. Ever dealt with someone from a black ghetto? Or a shrieking obese tranny?

  51. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Same with the bubble in healthcare costs.

    It is largely fueled by government spending on programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, as well as the commercial healthcare insurance companies.

    There is a general tendency in the United States, which perhaps is a reflection of the personalities of its peoples, to carry everything to the extreme, and then keep on going after the extreme is reached.

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Even the Supreme Court is completely lacking in common sense, and would rather completely destroy the United States then failed to follow an extreme interpretation of the law.

    I missed this event. What are you talking about?

  52. My surmise has been that wokeness is just a weapon in a veiled intergenerational conflict between Baby Boomers who have indefinitely extended the lengths of their careers and refuse to move on and make way for the generations which come after and their would-be career successors. It’s also the case that Boomers are whiter and less likely to identify as a sexual minority than those following generations, so wokeness seems like a good stratagem to dislodge them and force open career opportunities.

    Take, for example, the academy. Baby Boomer tenured Professors remained, and if you’re a younger academic you have a problem because tenure track positions are scarce, and the progress of your career from poorly paid, debt-ridden adjunct with a second menial job and no health benefits to a full professor requires that some of those occupying the tenured professorships move on somehow. They don’t seem to want to retire to the lake house on their own, so you need a way to force them out but one that disguises that you’re making self-interested, cut-throat internal political moves by claiming them to be virtuous. So the older, white professor you need to be put out to pasture can’t quite keep up with the rapidly changing woke etiquette, and that presents you with an opportunity to marshal resources like the DIE administrators and micro-aggression sensitive undergraduates to force his resignation.

  53. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This omission makes me question whether eugyppius himself is bowing down to the gods of Wokeness. He writes a whole essay about wokeness without once mentioning the B word or the R word. Although "diversity" supposedly applies to all groups, it is really a code word for "black". For example, a school that is 99% black can be said to be "very diverse". The favoring of less qualified blacks over whites, especially white men, is the be-all and end-all of Wokeness - everyone else is secondary. And yet eugyppius completely ignores the racial dimensions of Wokeness.

    If you were a Martian reading his essay, you wouldn't even know what Wokeness was about. Maybe he takes it for granted that we know, but it's strange that he doesn't mention it. It would be like a Roman writing about this strange new religion called Christianity that is all the rage, without mentioning Jesus.

    I also disagree with his comparison of Wokeness to anti-Covid measures. Reasonable measures for the prevention of Covid are simple to comply with and are not fundamentally destructive of instititions. Having to wear a little piece of cloth on your face or stick a swap up your nose once in a while is very different from losing your job so that Shawniqwa can take it. It's more like the security theater that we undergo at airports - yes it is inconvenient and often pointless but in the end you still get on the plane and reach you destination so it is only a minor distraction.

    Otherwise, what he has described is a "purity spiral" which is a known defect in human programming. Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild - people lose their jobs but not their lives. BLM has cost a certain # of lives but mostly among other blacks. However, there is a disturbing trend at universities located adjacent to ghettoes - just in the last couple of days, white students at Temple and at Columbia have been murdered by ghetto thugs.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s not the “little piece of cloth” per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that’s another issue). It’s the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    • Agree: Marquis
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are assuming your conclusion - that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion - the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it's widely accepted.

    Replies: @Bill, @SafeNow, @William Badwhite, @jo shmo

    , @Rob McX
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    True. What's important is not what they make you do, it's the fact that they can make you do it and you have no say in the matter. Same applies to countless other ways the powers that be impose laws and regulations on people.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Thanks: you and Rob McX.

    It's the humiliation, per that quote from Mr. Dalrymple(?) I don't want to be made to participate in the stupidity. It can get not only seriously stupid, but the masking introduces real communication problems. I am told in my field that communication is very important. Well, when I can't understand black women with the cloth face diapers on (they usually take it off their mouths after I ask them to repeat themselves the 3rd time), which is it, safety or compliance with the stupidity? From what I see it must be the latter.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They are not useless. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

    If you have any other Covid-related question, ask the expert ...

    https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/092/154/106/original/4d63b7d91bf75451.jpg

    Replies: @Marquis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high. Period.

  54. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew

    Agree with IJ. Very good essay/explanation of the academic drivers of wokeism. Thanks for posting this Steve.

    ~~

    I don't think there's any quick fix to this. We're so far down the road with minoritarianism that there isn't even a discussion to be had with these people.

    Republican politicians when in power need to crack down hard on the state university administrative apparat. But that's not going to "fix" this.


    Universities have become a cancer--a part of the nation's body turned against it, now a parasite killing it. What we need to shrink them down to size and cut them out.

    There is a wealth of knowledge and learning opportunity/options on-line. We simply don't need these bloated beasts to educate kids. Lab space for the scientists and engineers is about all they do that's socially useful. The humanities and social sciences are now pretty thoroughly anti-knowledge, anti-education.

    Bring in competency exams where young people--people of any age--can demonstrate skills from basic literacy, numeracy up through subject matter competency. It simply does not take a college "education" to do most of the white collar work people do. Competency is a matter of some level of smarts--depending on the job--some level of reading and writing competency, some numeracy, ability to read graphs, data, maybe handle a spreadsheet or the IQ to learn whatever software tools are required for the job. And then all the usual--interpersonal skills, discipline, work effort.

    Give kids--and their families--a way to completely sidestep these cancerous universities and get going with life. The rewards to that both economic and political are huge.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.

    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke – if you can’t give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn’t have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing – competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness – even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of “racism” (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying “we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems” is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say “we need testing as a substitute for universities” but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it’s not going to be possible. Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can’t happen until the law is changed.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke – if you can’t give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn’t have to pay for your college education).
     
    The opinion in Griggs was issued in 1971, and wikipedia tables state that in 1970 the U.S. was 87.5% white, 11.1% black, and don't even list a percentage figure for any other race or ethnicity constituting the remaining 1.4%. So I think what we're seeing in Griggs, however wrongly decided, is an attempt to grapple with relations between the two historic American populations where you could say in 1971 that blacks had been actively disadvantaged on an intergenerational basis. And in 1971 you're only a few years into the "Great Society" programs that were going to close all of these gaps in fact so that the de jure involvement in parceling out opportunities and spoils would soon no longer be necessary.

    So, whatever the factors in 1971 were, they most certainly do not obtain in 2021. We now have any number of minority groups without the blacks' history in the U.S. who can nevertheless use disparate impact to their advantage over core Americans.

    You say “we need testing as a substitute for universities” but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it’s not going to be possible. Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can’t happen until the law is changed.
     
    Until the late nineties, the Universities used a proxy IQ test (SAT) in admissions. In retrospect, it seems like a bit of rent seeking that the discrimination to be avoided was simply laundered through Universities.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade"

    Yes, old men are really excited that some sad Sally who got herself knocked up will have to drive to another state to get an abortion. Due to the derangement and general cultishness of the left the much sought-after suburban female voting bloc is ready to jump ship. And right on cue the abortion issue raises its unpleasant head. But continue to voice an opinion about Sally's lady parts and what she should do with them. Left-wing lawyers are moral degenerates; but they are much sharper and better organized than their conservative opposition.

    , @res
    @Jack D

    Quick request for clarification.


    Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke)
     
    Did you mean "those who..." or are you saying that employers have not gone woke? I initially read it as the latter, but the former seems much more likely to be your intent.

    Also, there is zero chance of testing coming back as long as disparate impact is taken seriously.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    This idea will not die. Most utility companies and associated unions test applicants for skilled trades with a test developed by the Edison Electric Institute. The test is called the CAST test, which stands for Craft and Skilled Trades. It has four sections, none of which resemble Raven’s matrices, but which seem to pose a major stumbling block to diversity hiring. So much so that utilities are starting to look for ways around it.

    , @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    I would love to see Griggs v. Duke overturned, but I'm actually not entirely convinced Griggs v. Duke is as insurmountable a problem as everyone thinks.

    Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests, but frankly it's probably best that most employers don't. A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don't have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    However there is perhaps another route to the same outcome: a third party that does test-only credentialing. That is, an organization that will test your mastery of some given subject, and provide a little gold star saying that you understand Fourier Analysis or Small Engine Repair or whatever. No classes, or teaching, or prep, you do that on your own. This would need to be a nonprofit, and the tests would need to be cheap to take for the test-taker, the tests would need to be hard, and cheating could not be tolerated. Ideally administered at a prometrix style testing center like they use for the GRE, USMLE, etc., and race wouldn't be tracked at all. Employers could require a bundle of these certifications that amount to the same as a college degree. I don't think any of this would be in violation of Griggs.

    I honestly think the biggest impediment to this is that college has become a consumption good. Kids and parents want the pretty buildings and the atmosphere and the parties and whatnot. People bemoan the fact that college has morphed from education to a job training program, but that's not even true, it's more akin to a 4 year debutante ball.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke ...
     
    Jack, no argument Griggs is a pile of crap. Lawyers deciding really important stuff--like lawyering--can require an IQ test, but any idiot can run operate controls of a power plant. (This from the people who have given us such triumphs of reasoning as Brown, Roe, Lawrence, Obergefell and, of course, Griggs.)

    However, i don't think the situation is quite so bleak. Tests to get a credential are certainly not illegal. They are ubiquitous in the tech industry. The GED is (an easy) one. They are required to practice medicine. And, of course, your own bar exam.

    The contention--from Griggs--would be on the employment side. Is the credential relevant?

    But that's there anyway. Even with college degrees, employers chose based on schools and GPA-which are in part driven off exams. (I never even got a resume from HR that didn't have a very good GPA from a decent school. Somebody was filtering.)

    But yeah, specific legislation enabling/encouraging this would be useful.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  55. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This omission makes me question whether eugyppius himself is bowing down to the gods of Wokeness. He writes a whole essay about wokeness without once mentioning the B word or the R word. Although "diversity" supposedly applies to all groups, it is really a code word for "black". For example, a school that is 99% black can be said to be "very diverse". The favoring of less qualified blacks over whites, especially white men, is the be-all and end-all of Wokeness - everyone else is secondary. And yet eugyppius completely ignores the racial dimensions of Wokeness.

    If you were a Martian reading his essay, you wouldn't even know what Wokeness was about. Maybe he takes it for granted that we know, but it's strange that he doesn't mention it. It would be like a Roman writing about this strange new religion called Christianity that is all the rage, without mentioning Jesus.

    I also disagree with his comparison of Wokeness to anti-Covid measures. Reasonable measures for the prevention of Covid are simple to comply with and are not fundamentally destructive of instititions. Having to wear a little piece of cloth on your face or stick a swap up your nose once in a while is very different from losing your job so that Shawniqwa can take it. It's more like the security theater that we undergo at airports - yes it is inconvenient and often pointless but in the end you still get on the plane and reach you destination so it is only a minor distraction.

    Otherwise, what he has described is a "purity spiral" which is a known defect in human programming. Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild - people lose their jobs but not their lives. BLM has cost a certain # of lives but mostly among other blacks. However, there is a disturbing trend at universities located adjacent to ghettoes - just in the last couple of days, white students at Temple and at Columbia have been murdered by ghetto thugs.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild – people lose their jobs but not their lives.

    I think you’re failing to see that this wokeness is a prelude, not the end. We’re in the early Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines stage now, except the message is coming from every institution all at once. As I wrote before, the investigators won’t find “extremism” in Darrell Brooks’s social media rantings because what he writes is indistinguishable from what you find in academia, cable news channels, NPR and the New York Times. How can this be “extreme?” The actual killings are thus far intermittent and disorganized but certainly form a discernible pattern.

    You also seem not to recognize that purges have the primary effect of cowing would-be dissidents, which is certainly a current fact of our social and political life.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Replies: @Pratt
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Alec,

    good post --- but, unfortunately, also a waste of time and energy as far as that Jack character is concerned. If you look at his commenting history, it's easy to see that he doesn't argue in good faith but is merely trying to disrupt. A troll, in other words.

  56. @Triteleia Laxa
    This article gets it exactly right, but it can be distilled further: Wokeness sells itself as inclusive, but it can never name what it is really being inclusive of, which is mediocrity, encompassing both intellectual stupidity and psychological immaturity.

    It essentially allows less capable people to have a voice in public conversation, which works well for Wokeness, as one of the main threads of the last 200 years has been the entry of ever more people into that "the public". In this regards, social media has been the ultimate catalyst. Now even provincial children can enter the conversation.

    And how else could the ideology of the public sphere change to allow more people into it? The ideology has to be such so that people in the public sphere see themselves in it, and that people entering are able to understand the basic principles and see themselves too. Wokeness fits this bill, just as Containment ideology allows the germophobes equal access.

    Previous iterations of public sphere ideology, like "women are homemakers and men belong in the public sphere because they are rational" or something, obviously can't work for a time when women have entered in force. And trying to stop groups from entering the public sphere is like trying to hold back the tides. The only reason that it was more exclusive in the past was due to a lack of resources and technology-enabling interaction. As those constraints disappear, so the reigning ideology changes, with the young as the vanguard, and elite institutions often seeing the writing on the wall first.

    The funniest irony of all of this is that Wokeness' obsession with black and trans people is also its ultimate insult to them. They are seen as the perfect examples of previously excluded peoples and exactly why standards of psychological and intellectual ability have to be lowered so that everyone can be let in. Even while all people in the public sphere have to be openly validated so this can never be acknowledged.

    What we really need is for Wokeness to develop an end point, rather than a semi-static hierarchy that is designed to compensate for the unequal distribution of competence, as it has now.

    The reason why this is crucial is because it gives people something to work towards, and by this I mean work towards something internally. it needs an aspect of self-development, rather than social change, otherwise it is just idiots changing things in the hope that they become less stupid, with no way of even recognising who might have better ideas.

    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it. Obviously this will make everything work better for everyone, but can only happen once Wokeism finds a language to model how such development, even spiritual, looks.

    I suggest that it is oddly internally consistent for Wokeism to see someone being non-reactive, curious and unprovocable as the most developed person. This is what people involved seem to be trying, with no conscious idea, to achieve. Once this personal developmental direction is spelled out and a natural hierarchy based on developed qualities, rather than an ideological one, is in place, things should become much more sensible.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it.

    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.
     
    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization. Surely this savage understands that he’s inferior. What’s more likely is that they see a useful weapon for personal advancement. Who cares why it works, as long as it does? If you cast a magic spell and your enemy not only quails, but gives you what you want, that’s reason enough to use that spell over and over.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  57. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew

    Agree with IJ. Very good essay/explanation of the academic drivers of wokeism. Thanks for posting this Steve.

    ~~

    I don't think there's any quick fix to this. We're so far down the road with minoritarianism that there isn't even a discussion to be had with these people.

    Republican politicians when in power need to crack down hard on the state university administrative apparat. But that's not going to "fix" this.


    Universities have become a cancer--a part of the nation's body turned against it, now a parasite killing it. What we need to shrink them down to size and cut them out.

    There is a wealth of knowledge and learning opportunity/options on-line. We simply don't need these bloated beasts to educate kids. Lab space for the scientists and engineers is about all they do that's socially useful. The humanities and social sciences are now pretty thoroughly anti-knowledge, anti-education.

    Bring in competency exams where young people--people of any age--can demonstrate skills from basic literacy, numeracy up through subject matter competency. It simply does not take a college "education" to do most of the white collar work people do. Competency is a matter of some level of smarts--depending on the job--some level of reading and writing competency, some numeracy, ability to read graphs, data, maybe handle a spreadsheet or the IQ to learn whatever software tools are required for the job. And then all the usual--interpersonal skills, discipline, work effort.

    Give kids--and their families--a way to completely sidestep these cancerous universities and get going with life. The rewards to that both economic and political are huge.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    Agree, but as we have discussed before, the coagulation of judicial detritus around the badly-judged Griggs v. Duke Power decision has rendered free market solutions moot. Colleges are now the de facto monopoly gatekeepers for white collar employment. They like it way (it has been enormously profitable for them—possibly one of the greatest unearned wealth transfers in history) and they will fight to keep it.

    So you can do things around the margin to sidestep this elephant in the room, but until the center collapses and the margins prevail (e.g., in a currency collapse scenario), the only way to have a broad restoration of moral sanity is that someone has to shoot the elephant. In theory, this could be done by simple legislation. Unfortunately, the most that a Republican Congress has ever done for the Americans who elected it is simply not persecute them as much as the Dems would. Rollback has never been on the menu, no matter how large their majority. And with open borders, DIE, and increasingly aggressive Dem ballot-stuffing, large majorities for Repubs are a thing of the past.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Agree with what you wrote up until the last sentence. We just saw that even in NJ, the bluest of blue states, the Dem governor almost lost the election (and in bluish Virginia he did). There is a limit to how much wokery Dems can engage in before they piss people off. Blacks by themselves can't win elections except in a handful of cities. Even otherwise blueish constitutencies (Latinos, suburban women) can grow disgusted with Woke nonsense once they understand that they have been assigned a lower spot on the DIEversty totem pole so that they have more to lose than to gain by buying into that system.

    You talk about legislation but Griggs was a Supreme Court created doctrine and it can be Court overruled. Republicans may lack the political courage to do the necessary but the Supreme Court might.

    It remains to be seen if they will bring the same zeal to this as they have toward getting rid of judge made abortion law. Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks's who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

  58. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    You are assuming your conclusion – that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion – the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is “no shirt, no shoes, no service” a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it’s widely accepted.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Jack D

    Both masks and "no shirt, no shoes, no service" are mere demands for obeisance, obviously. This fact is not affected by popular fantasies about the reasonableness of the demand. They differ by what and who they demand obeisance to.

    , @SafeNow
    @Jack D

    I wear a genuine N95 made in the U.S. by Kimberly-Clark. Pouch-style. Odd-looking, oddly breathable, oddly comfortable. $1 each. I use it once, and throw it away. Regarding the capacity to stop Covid particles, the data, simply put, are: cloth mask 10, surgical mask 12, N95 60. Now, this odds ratio of 6 or 5 for stopping particles is NOT the odds ratio for preventing infection. What IS the odds ratio for stopping infection? This is controversial and unknown. They say it would be “logistically difficult” to find out. That is a euphemism for “expensive.” One journal article I read recommends that a nurse be given 5 N95s per shift.

    A pouch-style mask looks like this.

    https://products.halyardhealth.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/3/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/7/47717_three_quarter_2.jpg

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Even as we're 20 something months into this and neither the lockdowns nor the masks are stopping or even slowing the spread, surely there is a point at which these mandates cease to be reasonable.

     


    Is “no shirt, no shoes, no service” a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone?
     
    "No shirt, no shoes, no service" was never a FedGov mandate. It comes from private businesses wanting to maintain a certain level and/or age of clientele (which may be rayciss come to think of it).
    , @jo shmo
    @Jack D


    the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.
     
    nah

    they take off the mask as soon as the picture has been taken.

    Plenty of video of mask mandaters going mask free to large indoor parties with tons of folks.

    It is bs
  59. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.
     
    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won't win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly--"calling a spade, a spade"--is a big part of that.

    I've yet to hear a Republican politician--even a Trump/MAGA type--use the word "parasite". But that's an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants--amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful--a large percentage in the state or "state adjacent" (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    "The parasite party" has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res, @Ragno, @Arclight

    Agree.

    The Parasite Party versus the Productive Party.

    Or really, simply the Parasites versus the Productive.

    Who will win?

    The fate of the world literally depends on it.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Almost Missouri

    "The Parasite Party versus the Productive Party"

    Parasites are easy to spot. Productive is a more complex kettle o' [sic] fish. Would you describe the above thought-master and his whiny screed as productive or just more conservative woe is meism? Or is it just another distraction by Steve to keep your attention away from what's happening in the insect world.

  60. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenjaminL
    Semi-tangent: a truly astonishing merger of ""data science"" with relativist postmodernism:

    https://themarkup.org/prediction-bias/2021/12/02/crime-prediction-software-promised-to-be-free-of-biases-new-data-shows-it-perpetuates-them

    Some woke "quant" types did a massive amount of work to prove that predictive AI .... predicts more crimes in black neighborhoods than in white neighborhoods -- and that this IN ITSELF counts as "bias."

    They used to try to hand-wave away higher black crime rates as white people's fault - no more. The entire piece studiously avoids even mentioning any actual crime rates.

    We used to think "woke postmodernism can't ruin the quantitative fields" -- no more. This is what it looks like.

    The whole piece is like a clown world version of Run Unz's article on race and crime -- triumphantly pointing to higher crime rates in black neighborhoods as... proof of racist AI!!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A few good quotes from that ludicrous article:

    We asked MacDonald whether he was concerned about the race and income disparities. He didn’t address those questions directly but rather said the software mirrored reported crime rates “to help direct scarce police resources to protect the neighborhoods most at risk of victimization.” The company has long held the position that because the software doesn’t include race or other demographic information in its analysis, that “eliminates the possibility for privacy or civil rights violations seen with other intelligence-led or predictive policing models.”

    and

    The study authors developed a potential tweak to the algorithm that they said resulted in a more even distribution of crime predictions. But they found its predictions were less in line with later crime reports, making it less accurate than the original algorithm, although still “potentially more accurate” than human predictions.

    IOW, the software is even more accurate that humans at predicting where crime will occur, and this is somehow a problem.

  61. “The bottomless mediocrities …”

    Find a pampered and plush home in academia. Academic mediocrities come in two flavours — right and left. They use a thousand words and more to veil a regurgitated thought that has long been in circulation. Supposedly, academia is a petri dish of thought streams, conflicting and coalescing, giving birth to new concepts untainted by the hackery of the market. We know this is not true. Academia is a playground for malignant philanthropists, a factory that produces mindwiped revolutionaries, a bachelor pad for simpering, numbnuts conservatives who still seem flummoxed by the rule change. Academia would be irrelevant if it wasn’t so dangerous.

  62. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    True. What’s important is not what they make you do, it’s the fact that they can make you do it and you have no say in the matter. Same applies to countless other ways the powers that be impose laws and regulations on people.

  63. If there’s one concept I’d invite every commentator here to get familiar with, it is Schelling Points.

    There does not *need* to be a top-down organized conspiracy if enough people are moving in the same direction. The impact is the same.

  64. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    Agree, but as we have discussed before, the coagulation of judicial detritus around the badly-judged Griggs v. Duke Power decision has rendered free market solutions moot. Colleges are now the de facto monopoly gatekeepers for white collar employment. They like it way (it has been enormously profitable for them—possibly one of the greatest unearned wealth transfers in history) and they will fight to keep it.

    So you can do things around the margin to sidestep this elephant in the room, but until the center collapses and the margins prevail (e.g., in a currency collapse scenario), the only way to have a broad restoration of moral sanity is that someone has to shoot the elephant. In theory, this could be done by simple legislation. Unfortunately, the most that a Republican Congress has ever done for the Americans who elected it is simply not persecute them as much as the Dems would. Rollback has never been on the menu, no matter how large their majority. And with open borders, DIE, and increasingly aggressive Dem ballot-stuffing, large majorities for Repubs are a thing of the past.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Agree with what you wrote up until the last sentence. We just saw that even in NJ, the bluest of blue states, the Dem governor almost lost the election (and in bluish Virginia he did). There is a limit to how much wokery Dems can engage in before they piss people off. Blacks by themselves can’t win elections except in a handful of cities. Even otherwise blueish constitutencies (Latinos, suburban women) can grow disgusted with Woke nonsense once they understand that they have been assigned a lower spot on the DIEversty totem pole so that they have more to lose than to gain by buying into that system.

    You talk about legislation but Griggs was a Supreme Court created doctrine and it can be Court overruled. Republicans may lack the political courage to do the necessary but the Supreme Court might.

    It remains to be seen if they will bring the same zeal to this as they have toward getting rid of judge made abortion law. Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks’s who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks’s who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.
     
    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren't blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them. For those who want to continue on with their lives without having to care for a child after carrying their babies to term, there are baby Moses laws in all 50 states.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Blacks by themselves can’t win elections except in a handful of cities.

    Blacks win elections just fine if they have a rapport with their constituency. Ilhan Omar, Lisa Blunt Rochester (right across the river from you), and Tim Scott all represent white majority constituencies. (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  65. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    Agree.

    The Parasite Party versus the Productive Party.

    Or really, simply the Parasites versus the Productive.

    Who will win?

    The fate of the world literally depends on it.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “The Parasite Party versus the Productive Party”

    Parasites are easy to spot. Productive is a more complex kettle o’ [sic] fish. Would you describe the above thought-master and his whiny screed as productive or just more conservative woe is meism? Or is it just another distraction by Steve to keep your attention away from what’s happening in the insect world.

  66. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about
     
    All of them.

    This guy is good.
     
    Agreed. I've been reading eugyppius for a while, and so am pleased that he's got Steve's attention too. I believe he's some kind of German. Embarrassingly to me, like most educated Northern Continental Europeans, he writes and speaks better and more incisive English than the median American.

    ---------

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be. Administrators or department chairs are constantly in danger of being outflanked on their left, and so they must adopt and endorse the most radical line to maintain their position. Otherwise they will be accused of racism or sexism or whatever and replaced by even more unhinged dangerous people.
     
    I wonder in what ways, if any, Wokeness is different from the Cultural Revolution in China? IMHO, Wokeness is the Cultural Revolution finally come to the West. This is sort of good news/bad news type of thing. Good news because this it has been incipient for a long time* and now the tension is finally over. Bad news because a) it's bad, and b) it only ended in China when the Army got fed up and shot the most irksome Cultural Revolutionaries along with anyone in the vicinity. The Woke seem to have noticed this too and so they are trying to obviate this endgame by taking over the military themselves, and it looks like they are succeeding. (This implies, by the way, that Wokeness is not quite so decentralized as eugyppius thinks.) There remains of course the reserve army of armed citizenry, perhaps the largest in the world, but they are disorganized, not-so-well regulated, and not necessarily all opposed to Wokeness. History is full of small and organized forces defeating large and disorganized forces. Will it happen again? We may all live to find out.

    ---------

    *It has been foretold to a certain extent by some speculative fiction-y writers. Besides Jean Raspail, Doris Lessing's Shikasta (coincidentally also written in the 1970s) was even more on point on the intersectional totem pole. She erred, however, in anticipating a more class/economic divisiveness rather than ethnic/racial.

    Hitler turned out to be the radical that everyone consciously or unconsciously emulates rather than Marx or Lenin. Marxists can pontificate all they want, but at the end of the day, the knuckledraggers had it right: your skin is your uniform.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Bardon Kaldian

    The big difference is that the Cultural Revolution was the result of one man using the mob to eliminate bureaucratic Communism, whereas in the United States, it’s every mainstream institution using the mob with selective bureaucratic enforcement still in there.

  67. Any man with common life experience comes to recognize teenage girls as the most ridiculous form of human life. That doesn’t make teenage girls bad, only in need of discipline; they just need guidance to turn into adult women who support men with reasonable beliefs.

    • Agree: Rob McX, Jim Don Bob
  68. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke – if you can’t give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn’t have to pay for your college education).

    The opinion in Griggs was issued in 1971, and wikipedia tables state that in 1970 the U.S. was 87.5% white, 11.1% black, and don’t even list a percentage figure for any other race or ethnicity constituting the remaining 1.4%. So I think what we’re seeing in Griggs, however wrongly decided, is an attempt to grapple with relations between the two historic American populations where you could say in 1971 that blacks had been actively disadvantaged on an intergenerational basis. And in 1971 you’re only a few years into the “Great Society” programs that were going to close all of these gaps in fact so that the de jure involvement in parceling out opportunities and spoils would soon no longer be necessary.

    So, whatever the factors in 1971 were, they most certainly do not obtain in 2021. We now have any number of minority groups without the blacks’ history in the U.S. who can nevertheless use disparate impact to their advantage over core Americans.

    You say “we need testing as a substitute for universities” but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it’s not going to be possible. Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can’t happen until the law is changed.

    Until the late nineties, the Universities used a proxy IQ test (SAT) in admissions. In retrospect, it seems like a bit of rent seeking that the discrimination to be avoided was simply laundered through Universities.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  69. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are assuming your conclusion - that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion - the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it's widely accepted.

    Replies: @Bill, @SafeNow, @William Badwhite, @jo shmo

    Both masks and “no shirt, no shoes, no service” are mere demands for obeisance, obviously. This fact is not affected by popular fantasies about the reasonableness of the demand. They differ by what and who they demand obeisance to.

  70. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    “Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade”

    Yes, old men are really excited that some sad Sally who got herself knocked up will have to drive to another state to get an abortion. Due to the derangement and general cultishness of the left the much sought-after suburban female voting bloc is ready to jump ship. And right on cue the abortion issue raises its unpleasant head. But continue to voice an opinion about Sally’s lady parts and what she should do with them. Left-wing lawyers are moral degenerates; but they are much sharper and better organized than their conservative opposition.

    • Agree: JMcG
  71. Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be.

    I.e., religions without hierarchies are a bad idea.

  72. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are assuming your conclusion - that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion - the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it's widely accepted.

    Replies: @Bill, @SafeNow, @William Badwhite, @jo shmo

    I wear a genuine N95 made in the U.S. by Kimberly-Clark. Pouch-style. Odd-looking, oddly breathable, oddly comfortable. \$1 each. I use it once, and throw it away. Regarding the capacity to stop Covid particles, the data, simply put, are: cloth mask 10, surgical mask 12, N95 60. Now, this odds ratio of 6 or 5 for stopping particles is NOT the odds ratio for preventing infection. What IS the odds ratio for stopping infection? This is controversial and unknown. They say it would be “logistically difficult” to find out. That is a euphemism for “expensive.” One journal article I read recommends that a nurse be given 5 N95s per shift.

    A pouch-style mask looks like this.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @SafeNow

    I just can’t get past the fact that you’d be laughed at if you showed up to remediate asbestos with one of those things on. And yet I’m supposed to believe they are effective against virus particles? And wearing one is necessary while standing next to your table, but not while you are seated?
    I’m double vaxed, but I just can’t choke down the complete bs about the paper masks.

  73. Of course, the Woke haven’t exactly matched neoclassicism for inspiring monuments like the Arc de Triomphe.

    Because they’re not into building monuments. They do something else with monuments.

  74. @Jonathan Mason
    I think he's right, but I think the same kind of argument can be applied to the infection control precautions for Covid-19.

    Public health officials and politicians do not want to be on the wrong side of history, so they will always err on the side of additional precautions.

    For example, Ecuador has just introduced a new rule that anybody arriving in the country must have proof of vaccine plus a negative PCR test.

    This is not because anybody in Ecuador is actually profiting from vaccine passports, but because it just seems to politicians like a sensible common sense precaution to protect the population which is now vaccinated at the rate of over 70% down to the age of five, mostly with Sinovac.

    Politicians hate to look at the morning papers and see headlines like "a million Americans died of covid-19 since Biden took office." Politicians tend to trust what the medical experts say, because they have no medical expertise themselves.

    It doesn't matter what country it is, politicians are basically all the same, and they want people to think that they did what was for the best.

    What is fascinating is that every country has its own idea of what is best. In the Caribbean region there are many micronations that depend heavily on north American and European tourism to earn foreign currency, and they have approached the question of how to deal with Covid-19 in a myriad of different ways, but without any real coordinated approach.

    To the basic consumer or reader of Unz review it appears that the fact that, say, Barbados requires proof of vaccination and testing before travel as well as testing on arrival and then having to get a test before going back to the United States within 24 hours of travel is proof of a conspiracy to make money by excessive testing and charges for vaccine passports and vaccine apps, but in fact it is just politicians and administrators helplessly flapping their wings and trying to give the impression to the world that they are doing the right thing.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Kratoklastes, @LondonBob

    The problem for me is, Jonathan, that they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that. You will never get this. You seem to have absolutely no inkling of what the words freedom and liberty mean.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that.
     
    They don't even have the hard data to justify moving their wings at all!
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    We might disagree with the decisions they make, but in that case we can always elect somebody else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

  75. @Percy Gryce
    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/872289556216860673?s=20

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Pratt

    Alright- but what these Catholic converts have to do with the topic?

    And Wincklemann was, as I recall correctly, first & foremost, a boy-chaser….

  76. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Agree with what you wrote up until the last sentence. We just saw that even in NJ, the bluest of blue states, the Dem governor almost lost the election (and in bluish Virginia he did). There is a limit to how much wokery Dems can engage in before they piss people off. Blacks by themselves can't win elections except in a handful of cities. Even otherwise blueish constitutencies (Latinos, suburban women) can grow disgusted with Woke nonsense once they understand that they have been assigned a lower spot on the DIEversty totem pole so that they have more to lose than to gain by buying into that system.

    You talk about legislation but Griggs was a Supreme Court created doctrine and it can be Court overruled. Republicans may lack the political courage to do the necessary but the Supreme Court might.

    It remains to be seen if they will bring the same zeal to this as they have toward getting rid of judge made abortion law. Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks's who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks’s who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.

    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren’t blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them. For those who want to continue on with their lives without having to care for a child after carrying their babies to term, there are baby Moses laws in all 50 states.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Johann Ricke


    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren’t blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them.
     
    I don't believe this is quite the case.

    I don't have anything in front of me--and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are "HS grad" and "some college". Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who ... screw up.

    In contrast, the "college grad" and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs--really dumb and/or really poor discipline--and who are so incompetent they can't/don't arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.

    ~~

    But i'm with you on the general question of eugenics.

    There's simply no way you can maintain human genetic capital to have a civilized society, if you don't take measures to replace the "genetic maintenance" that nature used to apply.

    It is straightforward to apply a system of tax deductions--on the high end--and non-fertility quid-pro-quo for welfare--on the low end--to encourage the sort of eugenic fertility necessary.

    It's a shame--and utterly ridiculous--our societies are so doused with minoritarian bafflegab that we can't even have intelligent discussion of genetic matters.

    Replies: @jo shmo, @Johann Ricke

    , @Alden
    @Johann Ricke

    Abortion in America is desperately necessary eugenics. Too many useless parasites already and more pouring in from the 5th world every minute. More than 250 anchor babies have been born to Afghani women fraudulent refugees since August. Girls will grow up to have more welfare broods Boys will grow up to be if not career criminals, petty criminals and a burden on the rest of us.

    Most important, even if they don’t grow up to be criminals, they will get affirmative action privileges over your own children and grand children.

  77. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    Thanks: you and Rob McX.

    It’s the humiliation, per that quote from Mr. Dalrymple(?) I don’t want to be made to participate in the stupidity. It can get not only seriously stupid, but the masking introduces real communication problems. I am told in my field that communication is very important. Well, when I can’t understand black women with the cloth face diapers on (they usually take it off their mouths after I ask them to repeat themselves the 3rd time), which is it, safety or compliance with the stupidity? From what I see it must be the latter.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman


    which is it, safety or compliance with the stupidity? From what I see it must be the latter.
     
    Neither.
    No degree of safety is worth their depriving you of their opinions,
  78. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it.
     
    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.

    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization. Surely this savage understands that he’s inferior. What’s more likely is that they see a useful weapon for personal advancement. Who cares why it works, as long as it does? If you cast a magic spell and your enemy not only quails, but gives you what you want, that’s reason enough to use that spell over and over.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Johann Ricke


    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization.
     
    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  79. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This omission makes me question whether eugyppius himself is bowing down to the gods of Wokeness. He writes a whole essay about wokeness without once mentioning the B word or the R word. Although "diversity" supposedly applies to all groups, it is really a code word for "black". For example, a school that is 99% black can be said to be "very diverse". The favoring of less qualified blacks over whites, especially white men, is the be-all and end-all of Wokeness - everyone else is secondary. And yet eugyppius completely ignores the racial dimensions of Wokeness.

    If you were a Martian reading his essay, you wouldn't even know what Wokeness was about. Maybe he takes it for granted that we know, but it's strange that he doesn't mention it. It would be like a Roman writing about this strange new religion called Christianity that is all the rage, without mentioning Jesus.

    I also disagree with his comparison of Wokeness to anti-Covid measures. Reasonable measures for the prevention of Covid are simple to comply with and are not fundamentally destructive of instititions. Having to wear a little piece of cloth on your face or stick a swap up your nose once in a while is very different from losing your job so that Shawniqwa can take it. It's more like the security theater that we undergo at airports - yes it is inconvenient and often pointless but in the end you still get on the plane and reach you destination so it is only a minor distraction.

    Otherwise, what he has described is a "purity spiral" which is a known defect in human programming. Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild - people lose their jobs but not their lives. BLM has cost a certain # of lives but mostly among other blacks. However, there is a disturbing trend at universities located adjacent to ghettoes - just in the last couple of days, white students at Temple and at Columbia have been murdered by ghetto thugs.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    I was right with you till the Covid business, but more so the TSA security theater. You are right about that term, Jack, but putting up with it is just plain admitting that they can take away other rights just the same way. There are no two ways about it, the searches done by the TSA are a complete violation of Amendment IV of the US Constitution.

    What’s it gonna be 20 years from now? Wait, I mean, if there’s a US left, that is.

    OTOH, I don’t disagree with you that the Kung Flu Totalitarianism has much to do with wokeness. That’s a good point.

  80. The teaching assistant (TA) strategy of college liberal arts programs really drives woke.

    TAs receive miserable pay, no benefits and no vacations. They are usually grad or post-grad students. Only the ideologically committed stick around in these jobs for very long because it’s virtually impossible to live on the pay.

    It’s the TAs competing ruthlessly over pennies who become radicalized by Woke.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Shouting Thomas


    Only the ideologically committed stick around in these jobs for very long because it’s virtually impossible to live on the pay.
     
    This is not true. Grad students are merely the last vestige of the guild apprentice system. The apprentice puts in years of work at little or no pay beyond room and board in exchange for being taught the secrets of the master, with the promise that at the conclusion of his apprenticeship he too will be admitted to the guild and will earn a larger lifetime income than if he hadn't apprenticed himself and learned this skilled trade, even accounting for the lost pay during the apprenticeship. This system lasted for hundreds of years. If this system functions properly, the master takes on only as many apprentices as the market will bear and it's a win-win for everyone, including society.

    BUT, what has happened here is that the master has become greedy and has trained far too many apprentices and many of these apprentices never really had the talent to become masters to begin with - when their apprenticeship is over, there is no pot of gold waiting for them at the end of the rainbow. There is an incentive for the master to do this because every apprentice is extra free labor. The anonymity of institutions makes this worse because there is no one individual who has to look at himself in the mirror and say, "I did this". Everyone is "just following orders". The apprentices at some point realize that they have been bamboozled and their anger flows. It is in the interest of the institution to deflect this anger onto other targets and not onto those who are truly responsible.
  81. Critical Race Theory argues that the racist system is accepted by all whites because it promotes their personal interests: elites because they get to keep more of their money, commoners because even though their lives suck, at least they get the privileges of being white.

    Interestingly, though, CRT operates and exists under the same impetus: promoted by all who benefit from it, from administrators to mediocrities to half-blood racialists. Ultimately CRT’s criticism of whatever supposed power is exercised by whites as a group will lead to a war of all against all. If it’s all about power, CRT proponents are not immune from criticism. All whites will eventually be less generous and liberal than they have been, because their evolutionary adaptations to be generous trusting and liberal will no longer help them navigate society. No matter who triumphs in the future, society will regress to nastier, illiberal, uglier, and more brutal than we’ve experienced in quite a while.

  82. @Percy Gryce
    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/872289556216860673?s=20

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Pratt

    Winckelmann was gay, and ended killed in Italy by a cook. There is an argument over whether the murderer’s motivation was greed (he knew that Winckelmann carried some gold coins with himself) or whether it was a homosexual thing.

  83. @Shouting Thomas
    The teaching assistant (TA) strategy of college liberal arts programs really drives woke.

    TAs receive miserable pay, no benefits and no vacations. They are usually grad or post-grad students. Only the ideologically committed stick around in these jobs for very long because it’s virtually impossible to live on the pay.

    It’s the TAs competing ruthlessly over pennies who become radicalized by Woke.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Only the ideologically committed stick around in these jobs for very long because it’s virtually impossible to live on the pay.

    This is not true. Grad students are merely the last vestige of the guild apprentice system. The apprentice puts in years of work at little or no pay beyond room and board in exchange for being taught the secrets of the master, with the promise that at the conclusion of his apprenticeship he too will be admitted to the guild and will earn a larger lifetime income than if he hadn’t apprenticed himself and learned this skilled trade, even accounting for the lost pay during the apprenticeship. This system lasted for hundreds of years. If this system functions properly, the master takes on only as many apprentices as the market will bear and it’s a win-win for everyone, including society.

    BUT, what has happened here is that the master has become greedy and has trained far too many apprentices and many of these apprentices never really had the talent to become masters to begin with – when their apprenticeship is over, there is no pot of gold waiting for them at the end of the rainbow. There is an incentive for the master to do this because every apprentice is extra free labor. The anonymity of institutions makes this worse because there is no one individual who has to look at himself in the mirror and say, “I did this”. Everyone is “just following orders”. The apprentices at some point realize that they have been bamboozled and their anger flows. It is in the interest of the institution to deflect this anger onto other targets and not onto those who are truly responsible.

    • Agree: ic1000
  84. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    They are not useless. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

    If you have any other Covid-related question, ask the expert …

    • Thanks: Alden, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Marquis
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You dorks who got scared out of your mind and we’re so wrong on covid will never let it go. It’s a bad look. It makes otherwise reasonably intelligent people seem like sub-room temperature IQ affirmative action admits at your local community college.

    Any reasonable assessment of masking as an NPI shows the overwhelming weight of evidence is against it being effective.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, a cloth or other barrier keeps sick people from spewing infected mucus all over the place when seized with uncontrollable coughing; this is well-known. It also means that masks are only operative, if at all, for already-infected people.

    Nobody claims the masks protect you from viruses; try showing up at an asbestos-remediation site with your trusty N95 mask and watch everybody yell at you to get tf out of there.

    Whether masks actually inhibit the spread of COVID, nobody has the slightest idea. If they did by any substantial measure, you wouldn't even need studies.

  85. @Altai
    Social media is a profound change since now everyone is plugged into the same environment. And the ethos of any social media platform will be informed by it's power-users. The power-users of social media are young women and adolescent girls. Ideas which run through them will then run through everyone else. You can see this in the way even straight adult males are increasingly posting and adopting the vernacular of social media and sounding more and more like 15 year old girls.

    It has facilitated a moral panic among young women and girls. Remember when the line was 'There are no girls on the internet'?, the advent of real name social media has destroyed this. Now most posting, images and written content online is produced by women born after 1995. It is to young women what FPS games are to boys. It is the most extensive online multiplayer game ever created. And it allows for massive social aggression and influencing, things guys aren't too interested in.

    'Wokeness' is the extended phenotype of these power-users. The aesthetics of wokeness are decidedly feminine, though few are as militant about statue-toppling than black men, you can't detect much of their aesthetic or rhetorical influence on things. (The lists of demands say are always written by young women who look like the ones who interrupted Bernie Sanders)

    This has severe consequences because PR, HR and marketing departments, heavily staffed by women look at what's going on on social media and get to pander to it by showing metrics of hashtags etc without realising or caring that it is an extended phenotype of just a very particular heavy social media user who doesn't represent the core audience for their products.

    As this has seeped into politics it is enormously destabilising.

    These two video clips from Sweden where everyone is 100% fluent in English and so highly exposed to American girls meltdown shows the reality. The female police offer is harangued by mostly girls under 21 (Absent from my observation are any ethnic Swedish boys.) and breaks down under the strain of the 'not-okayness', she is on social media, she is one of the protestors. Pictured also on the same day, possibly involving the same group of girls are young Swedish male police to whom 'not-okayness' doesn't really matter. But they're only able to express that when operating in their professional role. They don't get to express that in daily conversation with people they don't know and they don't have the poweruser influence on social media that the femininised newsrooms treat as a constant and eternal voxpop they can use to justify whatever.

    https://twitter.com/SamnyttSimon/status/1268266061801160711

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1268276344158388224

    Notice how shocked the girls are, they weren't prepared for any resistance or any violence.

    It didn't take long for Taylor Swift to be at home on lockdown for her to be posting on social media about Donald Trump stealing the US Post trucks to thwart the absentee ballots.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Achmed E. Newman, @usNthem, @Mike Tre, @Anon7, @John Johnson, @Alfa158

    As far as I can see only one of the three girls is actually a Swede. Is that the normal demographic ratio now in Sweden as it is in the US, or is that because this occurred in Stockholm which is one of heavily colonized urban areas? I haven’t been in Sweden in over 20 years so I don’t know how far under it has gone.

  86. OT–I see Unz got rid of those 2 low-IQ bloggers–LOL

  87. It is very easy to confuse cause and effect when examining the emergence of ideological systems…All of this is to say that Wokeness was selected from many aspiring ideological and intellectual programs, because it gave the right things to the right people.

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be.

    The above statements (from the article) are interesting and insightful, but they present wokeness as something that’s essentially ideological, political and organizational. It is all of those things, but I think it’s more Lord of the Flies than Animal Farm, i.e., the ideology and politics are a manifestation of deeper problems that are more psychological and spiritual in nature (which would be consistent with the decentralized nature of the movement.) The comparisons between wokeness and medieval religious fanaticism or Puritanism are everywhere for a reason. The human impulse towards worship, and the migration of that impulse from the realm of the spiritual to the realm of the worldly (as in politics) is certainly one of the central problems of wokeness. The same could be said of Marxism and communism in general, but historically they existed in a world where religious faith wasn’t easily undermined, even by powerful authoritarian governments.

  88. Eagle Eye says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement... Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be... Nobody, not even Kimberlé Crenshaw, can redirect or modulate Wokeness any longer...
     
    In other words, it's a Starfish, not a Spider:


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41fnhVvAYZL._SX260_.jpg


    Starfish can thrive without a brain.


    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e2/8d/93/e28d93deee1befef0c9d1aadee066470.jpg

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Klaus Schwab is not making them do this …

    The lady doeth protest too much.

    Expect many more pieces pushing this “amorphous organization” meme about the Woke Wave. It has been said that Satan’s greatest trick is to convince men that he does not exist.

    One notes that the same line – “it’s just an amorphous organization without any centralized leadership” – was previously trotted out about “Antifa” by numerous “academics,” “law enforcement” spokeswomen, “intelligence analysts” etc., as if on cue. Since then, some real observers have looked more closely about the senior leadership of “Antifa.” Sure enough, it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing. As always, the question is cui bono.

    Wokery as a whole follows the same pattern. Anyone who seriously looks at the outline and in particular at the texture of the large cultural, legislative and administrative changes since the 1920s cannot fail to be impressed by how a small, incestuous coterie of “intellectuals,” bureaucrats, money men, quasi-hereditary ruling families, sexual deviants, general psychopaths and opportunists have been working assiduously – often in broad daylight – to build a massive core organization, develop a consolidated strategy supported by a whole assemblage of mind viruses, propaganda techniques, bureaucratic and legal devices, etc., all mutually reinforcing.

    It is quite true that – like multi-level sales organizations – the lower-tier players are keenly aware of their own opportunities to profit, but may have only a vague understanding of what the central leadership wants and does. That does not mean that the central leadership does not have its own role in shaping the structure and trajectory of the organization.

    • Agree: Getaclue, LondonBob
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Eagle Eye


    “Antifa.”...it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing...
     
    Citation?

    I'm not trying to imitate Corvirus, I'm genuinely curious, particularly about the Fed backing part.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Justvisiting

    , @Dube
    @Eagle Eye


    Sure enough, it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing.
     
    Follow the pallets of bricks.
    , @nosquat loquat
    @Eagle Eye

    You write: "Sure enough, it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing."

    Some links to this research would be much appreciated. I agree with the thesis, but would like to see more proof.

  89. The crisis in the West is due to Wokism and will cause likely a complete collapse. The Red Guards got out of control, Mao could not rein them in, he had to flee Shanghai with his life (telling the pilot of his jetliner to just get in the air) and the destruction of the intellectual elite set China back 30 years easily. This is why Xi does what he does, he fears another peasant revolt which is what the Red Guards were.

    Here we get: the resentments and HATE HATE HATE of White beta males by women who bitterly resent the implication that maybe they are not great beauties and attentions from White beta males is all they can get; non-Whites with no forgiveness of White achievement, and various weirdos and perverts like gays, lesbians, trannies etc. who resent beta White male norms of say, not having sex with kids. These are the ones that rule.

    And that rule is failing. We were propped up by lots of ultra cheap Chinese junk made by semi-slave labor in appalling conditions. That is mostly ending now, China cannot afford it and they lack young workers in great numbers to pull that off. Decades of “green” investment have led to a systemic shortage of gas and oil, which will not be remedied any decade or so. Supply chains and entire systems: power, sewage, water, transport, manufacturing etc. are extremely complex, extremely interdependent, and optimized for low cost not reliability. Meaning only White guys can really run them, your tranny flouncing around in a sun dress can excite a 14 year old girl on Tumblr but can’t direct the effort to restore power after an ice storm because all said tranny knows how to do is irritate and repulse normal White men.

    The main purpose of the American University system is to produce basic research that can be made into ever more effective weapons systems, from WWII onwards this has been their purpose. Since the late 1960s it has basically failed — the Chinese space weapons are far more effective and dangerous than anything we can field and we’ve admitted this. Unlike Sputnik we have no plan to get lots of smart White guys from flyover states working on the problem to fix it. Instead our plan is to flood China with “effeminate men” on Twitter, which Xi has already put a stop to.

    Ultimately the Woke will simply not tolerate White men even existing any longer. That’s where the “signal” per the Joss Whedon “Firefly” sci-fi failed TV show and movie comes in. [The shows main plot line was that the authorities to prevent separatism had a signal that made most conform to authority but turned some into insane psychopathic kill crazed lunatics. The show was not very good but had a cult following.] The “signal” coming from a myriad of Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram etc. sources all point to cut down all the White trees. But this is not Rwanda, every White man has known for some time this is coming, is armed, more mobile, and without us much of the nation will freeze and starve to death in winter, and boil and starve in the summer.

    • Agree: JMcG
  90. @Arclight
    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn't get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia - that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.

    The last 50 years have seen a huge surge in the percentage of the population that has some kind of college degree, and a lot of people assume that means a proportionate share of the population are truly qualified for the types of jobs that required this credential a generation ago. This naturally causes a lot of angst for believers because mass credentialization hasn't meant an accompanying increase in the share of the population who makes upper middle class money nor has it meant a meaningfully larger share of minorities (which really means blacks) that fall into that economic classification either.

    Wokeness then insists that every institution be hammered into the appropriate demographic mix because that's justice, but obviously the problem is that this just isn't possible to achieve organically in traditional academia or business where you actually need some brains to have a position that is at the core of these institutions. So you create make-work positions to get to the demographic mix desired, but they are not positions upon which the success or failure of the institution is determined.

    Anyway, it solves nothing but then again we have an unsolvable problem: either get the public to accept a society in which the economic distribution is highly unequal from a racial perspective in perpetuity, or live with a society in which we constantly lie about the value of diversity and have some form of affirmative action for appearance's sake.

    I do think we are somewhere near high tide for wokeness however. As with bussing, close proximity tends to dispel the myths one has been taught and they are replaced with cold, hard real world experience. The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @res

    The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.

    Indeed. The backlash should be interesting when it inevitably comes. I think the long term fate of wokeness is to be reviled as bringing about the kinds of things they claimed to be fighting against (e.g. more racism).

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @res

    Yes - in the end people will be far less restrained saying what they really think about other demographic groups and there will be less sanction this speech or even acting on it. Latinos are probably the tip of the spear in this respect, since a as a group they are in more proximity and competition with blacks when it comes to where they live, go to school, or work and they don't have white guilt. Once they recognize they have numbers on their side and a substantial number of whites that aren't interested in subordinating their interests to those of black Americans, it's over.

  91. On one point we did learn last night that the left is right — guns do fire themselves!

    • LOL: Cool Daddy Jimbo
    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Known Fact

    The papers have been right all along. Shots do "ring out." Gunfire simply "erupts."

  92. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.
     
    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won't win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly--"calling a spade, a spade"--is a big part of that.

    I've yet to hear a Republican politician--even a Trump/MAGA type--use the word "parasite". But that's an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants--amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful--a large percentage in the state or "state adjacent" (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    "The parasite party" has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res, @Ragno, @Arclight

    Well said.

    But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful–a large percentage in the state or “state adjacent” (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    And you are being overly kind by leaving out the people who are net negative “contributors.” Either by requiring others to support them or by more active means (causing death and destruction).

    BTW, there is much talk about needing immigrants to fund Social Security, etc. The problem is, that does not really work if the groups who immigrate don’t make a (large enough to pick up the slack) net positive contribution.

  93. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    Quick request for clarification.

    Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke)

    Did you mean “those who…” or are you saying that employers have not gone woke? I initially read it as the latter, but the former seems much more likely to be your intent.

    Also, there is zero chance of testing coming back as long as disparate impact is taken seriously.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    The former.

  94. OT good news Cortez Rice who claims to be a relative of St George Fentanyl was arrested Monday for communication with jurors. Meaning his threats against the Rittenhouse jurors. Bail set at 50K. Liberal go fund me hasn’t raised the bail amount yet. Good.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  95. The entire woke dynamic was explained perfectly in a single sentence by the late, great James Burnham: “The difference between a Liberal and a Communist is that the Communist knows what he’s doing.”

    There are a small number of Communists (leader nodes) programming countless millions of woke Liberals. Yes, it’s “self organizing” in many ways, but the leader nodes decide WHAT they organize about. Which is why there is never a “movement” for anything right-wing.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  96. From Marc Faber: THE TRANSITION FROM FREEDOM & CAPITALISM TO DESPOTISM & SOCIALISM Monthly Market Commentary: December 1, 2021
    https://www.gloomboomdoom.com/

    Furthermore, Schumpeter opined about the growing herd of intellectuals: “The man who has gone through a college or university easily becomes psychically unemployable in manual occupations without necessarily acquiring employability in, say, professional work. All those who are unemployed or unsatisfactorily employed or unsatisfactorily unemployable drift into the vocations in which standards are least definite or in which aptitudes and acquirements of a different order count. They swell the host of intellectuals whose numbers increase disproportionately. They enter it in a thoroughly discontented frame of mind. Discontent breeds resentment. And it often rationalizes itself into … social criticism … amounting to moral disapproval of the capitalist order.”

  97. I find this article unconvincing. Maybe the author has only come unwillingly to his views later in life and as a result of being forced to. I can see why the idea of wokeness being akin to a force of nature that we can do nothing about and which just sort of happens could be very appealing to some.

    I am old enough and well read enough to remember debates about immigration in the past. Many of the organisations which promote wokeness and racial strife today are ones which campaigned for more immigration and racial quotas for powerful jobs thirty and forty years ago. If we are to believe that there is no conspiracy behind wokeness then we must also presumably believe that such organisations have merely stumbled into a racial demographic situation–one which they both wanted and now ruthlessly exploit–purely by chance, and in the pursuit of idealistic goals. We must take the claims of such groups at face value. And this in spite of the fact that there were many on the right in those times who accused them of seeking to do exactly the kind of things we now see!

    • Agree: Ben tillman, LondonBob
    • Replies: @res
    @al gore rhythms


    we must also presumably believe that such organisations have merely stumbled into a racial demographic situation–one which they both wanted and now ruthlessly exploit–purely by chance, and in the pursuit of idealistic goals.
     
    I don't think anything implies the goals must be idealistic. Selfish individual (where the "individual" can have multiple levels of granularity--say from single people to large corporations) goals suffice. Conspiracy is not required. Though failing to realize that conspiracy might be helpful for achieving those goals is naive IMHO.
  98. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.
     
    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won't win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly--"calling a spade, a spade"--is a big part of that.

    I've yet to hear a Republican politician--even a Trump/MAGA type--use the word "parasite". But that's an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants--amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful--a large percentage in the state or "state adjacent" (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    "The parasite party" has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res, @Ragno, @Arclight

    I’ve yet to hear a Republican politician–even a Trump/MAGA type–use the word “parasite”. But that’s an absolute minimum requirement.

    Don’t forget predators! They move right in once the parasites have been absorbed into the system. Given enough time, they will make short work of the parasites – perhaps this is why the parasite party always extends them a hearty welcome. (Kill me last, and like that.)

  99. I’ve yet to hear a Republican politician–even a Trump/MAGA type–use the word “parasite”. But that’s an absolute minimum requirement.

    Don’t forget predators! They move right in once the parasites have been absorbed into the system. Given enough time, they will make short work of said parasites – perhaps this is why the parasite party always extends them a hearty welcome. (Kill me last, and like that.)

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  100. Wokery Is Not a Conspiracy But a Self-Organizing Decentralized Movement

    In other words, blame the idiot goy minions than the Jewish puppet-masters.

  101. @res
    @Jack D

    Quick request for clarification.


    Employers (who haven’t themselves gone woke)
     
    Did you mean "those who..." or are you saying that employers have not gone woke? I initially read it as the latter, but the former seems much more likely to be your intent.

    Also, there is zero chance of testing coming back as long as disparate impact is taken seriously.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The former.

    • Thanks: res
  102. @Anonymous
    Wokery is not something that appeared de-novo as a reaction to Trump's election, it's a continuation of a much longer process. Here is an account of the build-up to the current situation.

    "Woke" domination of the Universities became inevitable back during the Cold War. The US had convince the Third World that Western industrial society could be universally adopted to a world that turned out to have an average IQ 0f 82. Had the entire world the sociology of the Midwest and an average IQ of 82, it could not have been industrialized. Half the people in a society with average IQ 82 or less would have been unable to work productively. The effort was therefore doomed, but seemed like a good idea at the time. The USSR was offering a similar deal to the same audience, only under a Marxist command economy, and the US thought it had to compete. Obviously, the USSR's similar deal was just as generally impractical as that of the US.

    So the US was forced into asserting that all people were identical, which led to a vast increase in college registration. Many of the new students were incapable of learning abstractions, and had to be taught simple algorithms, or even simpler rules of thumb.

    After the 1960s riots, colleges were increasingly run by riot-averse administrators who's primary task was to (a) accept increasingly less competent students while (b) avoiding 1960's scale riots. This set up a real world reward matrix within which incompetent students could impose their will on the University by what Tom Wolfe called "Mau-Mauing the Flack Catchers" (https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/mau-mauing-flak-catchers/), and, where there were conflicting goals between attacking groups of students, tended to award victory to the more radical.

    By the 1980s most universities had half-bright academic staff teaching algorithms to what amounted to marginally civilized and not terribly smart students. This situation was satisfactory to government and students, and gradually spread to top tier research institutions.

    Of course, outside groups had been involved from the beginning of the attacks, but the fundamental problem was that Western governments required (1) a large number of uneducable students who had to be convinced that they were worthwhile people spending their time productively, and (b) a reward matrix favoring students over administrators.

    A similar situation existed during the US Gilded Age, with many universities providing only social polishing to uneducable youth. Remember that the A&M universities were founded specifically as an alternative to social polishing universities, an alternative that would teach material of practical utility in agriculture and industry. The difference was that the Gilded Age dominant minority were the industrial rich, whereas the dominant minority from about 1960 onwards were the descendants of Tammany Hall and similarly urban political organizations.

    In the meantime, the universities are continuing the shutdown of US engineering / science capability that first became visible with the shutdown of the industrial R&D laboratories back in the 1970s. This is most clearly shown by the replication crisis, but is starting to show up in military matters -- most notably the apparent inability of the West to equal Chinese and Russian development of hypersonic vehicles.


    Think about the changes necessary to change the above situation, because they are large and will happen when the current elites (in Turchin's sense) lose control.

    And, strangely enough, the Chinese Communist Party (with an math IQ 105 or so population) eventually adopted the free market reforms proposed by the US back in the 1950s and industrialized while remaining under Communist party control. The West, however, has adopted the Marxist economics that destroyed the USSR. I suppose that turnabout is fair play, but this is bizarre. Again, reality is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than we can know.

    Replies: @Alden

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden


    First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.
     
    No it wasn't. The characters who inhabited James Michener's The Drifters were fictional and their real life counterparts were usually scions of wealthy families.

    Those successful people who took on a countercultural image like Mick Jagger were usually anything but, or, if they were the real thing, they died young like Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @David Davenport
    @Alden

    "... half the teacher were ..."

    Ms. Alden, are you a recent college garduate?

    And maybe half the teacher were men.

    No, in ye olde days, most K-12 teachers were women. The school principal was probably male.

    , @Art Deco
    @Alden

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    It wasn't a reason at all. The reason for it was the Democratic Party's reflexive habit of putting people on government patronage conjoined to stupidity. Higher education incorporates some vocational training, but its main line of business is providing labor market signals. The labor market signals are useful to have if you're competing for positional goods. The thing is, you cannot, relative to your population, expand the supply of positional goods, so all that was wasted.

    While we're at it, your remarks about the labor market are utter nonsense. The post-war cohorts entered the labor market during the period running from 1960 to 1973. Labor markets were tight at that time; there was no need to soak up idle labor in military service and the added increment to the population on active duty ca. 1969 hardly accounted for more than 1% of the total working population. The ratio of military expenditure to domestic product declined by more than half over the period running from 1953 to 1978 and did so with scant interruption, increasing only from 1964 to 1966.

    , @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists

    The Digest of Education Statistics reports that in the 1967-68 academic year, mean annual cash compensation for teachers was about $7,450 a year. The mean for the working population as a whole at that time was $5,740, so teachers were paid 28% in excess of the mean. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that mean annual cash compensation for elementary and secondary teachers right now is around $65,300 per year, about 10% in excess of the mean for the workforce as a whole.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Alden


    First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.
     
    Not at all. The "Lost Generation" of Paris (and NY and Chicago and London and anywhere you had Brigh Young Things) in the 20s pioneered that act. In a lot of ways the 60s were an echo of that time, with, of course, its own spin due to Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement.

    Art Deco has deconstructed your economic illiteracy far better than I can.
  103. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    This idea will not die. Most utility companies and associated unions test applicants for skilled trades with a test developed by the Edison Electric Institute. The test is called the CAST test, which stands for Craft and Skilled Trades. It has four sections, none of which resemble Raven’s matrices, but which seem to pose a major stumbling block to diversity hiring. So much so that utilities are starting to look for ways around it.

  104. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    The problem for me is, Jonathan, that they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that. You will never get this. You seem to have absolutely no inkling of what the words freedom and liberty mean.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jonathan Mason

    they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that.

    They don’t even have the hard data to justify moving their wings at all!

  105. @SafeNow
    @Jack D

    I wear a genuine N95 made in the U.S. by Kimberly-Clark. Pouch-style. Odd-looking, oddly breathable, oddly comfortable. $1 each. I use it once, and throw it away. Regarding the capacity to stop Covid particles, the data, simply put, are: cloth mask 10, surgical mask 12, N95 60. Now, this odds ratio of 6 or 5 for stopping particles is NOT the odds ratio for preventing infection. What IS the odds ratio for stopping infection? This is controversial and unknown. They say it would be “logistically difficult” to find out. That is a euphemism for “expensive.” One journal article I read recommends that a nurse be given 5 N95s per shift.

    A pouch-style mask looks like this.

    https://products.halyardhealth.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/3/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/7/47717_three_quarter_2.jpg

    Replies: @JMcG

    I just can’t get past the fact that you’d be laughed at if you showed up to remediate asbestos with one of those things on. And yet I’m supposed to believe they are effective against virus particles? And wearing one is necessary while standing next to your table, but not while you are seated?
    I’m double vaxed, but I just can’t choke down the complete bs about the paper masks.

  106. @Hapalong Cassidy
    “For students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, “

    That’s not necessarily true. To get someone to believe in something , you have to make them work for it. If you keep it too easy they’ll forget it. Someone here at Unz once posted the syllabus from one of these Woke Studies classes awhile back, and it was full of “make work”. Not rocket science, but extremely time consuming. The more the students have to work for it, the more invested they will be in its principals and the more likely they will become true believers. After all, they don’t want to feel like they’re wasting their time (a textbook example of cognitive dissonance).

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Unladen Swallow

    “See that room full of boxes of kid’s alphabet blocks? Unpack all of them, form words (feel free to make as up as many of the words as you want) and arrange them all in something that resembles sentences. Yes, all of them. You are in the academy and the name of the game is rigor.”

  107. It is not entirely self-organized, the general trends are dictated top-down via the media. It’s about indoctrinating people to the point where they are true believers and carry things out themselves, but if the media truly truly wanted to switch things around they could, because all the cancellations, diversity appointments, etc etc are rooted in the fact that it’s now socially acceptable, employable, etc to be that way, and that respectability comes from the media. If they suddenly do a 180 and start condemning people trying to profit off of racial grievance grifts, those will dry up quickly. Right now most people don’t say anything out of fear of being made unemployable via a quick google search of their name thanks to a scandal breaking out in the news or social media. Get rid of that threat, and ‘cancellation’ stops meaning as much.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mina Horowitz

    The impact that Comcast has had on Britain since they bought Sky is indicative of that, we now have kneeling before football matches and the destruction of the iconic Yorkshire Cricket Club on a bogus race case. The power of the media is crucial and no surprise to see who founded and controls Comcast.

  108. decentralised

    Is Eugyppius in, or from, Canada? Or elsewhere?

    • Replies: @Soviet of Washington
    @Reg Cæsar

    Germany. But did some grad work at Yale (IIRC).

    , @ic1000
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Is Eugyppius in, or from, Canada? Or elsewhere?

    Judging from other non-paywalled posts, he is a recently-retired German academic.

  109. I guess this is the new Boomer cope. “No one could possibly control us!” says the most exposed to electronic (i.e. brain altering) media generation of all; “this reminds me of those pictures of people wearing tinfoil hats that the media has exposed me to over and over.”

    I was wondering what happened to all the libertarian horseshit (remember Hayek’s “there are no monopolies for govt. to regulate, it’s spontaneous order”)?

    “There are no conspiracies” says Farmer Brown, “keep moving toward the rotating knives, you darling cows.”

  110. @Triteleia Laxa
    This article gets it exactly right, but it can be distilled further: Wokeness sells itself as inclusive, but it can never name what it is really being inclusive of, which is mediocrity, encompassing both intellectual stupidity and psychological immaturity.

    It essentially allows less capable people to have a voice in public conversation, which works well for Wokeness, as one of the main threads of the last 200 years has been the entry of ever more people into that "the public". In this regards, social media has been the ultimate catalyst. Now even provincial children can enter the conversation.

    And how else could the ideology of the public sphere change to allow more people into it? The ideology has to be such so that people in the public sphere see themselves in it, and that people entering are able to understand the basic principles and see themselves too. Wokeness fits this bill, just as Containment ideology allows the germophobes equal access.

    Previous iterations of public sphere ideology, like "women are homemakers and men belong in the public sphere because they are rational" or something, obviously can't work for a time when women have entered in force. And trying to stop groups from entering the public sphere is like trying to hold back the tides. The only reason that it was more exclusive in the past was due to a lack of resources and technology-enabling interaction. As those constraints disappear, so the reigning ideology changes, with the young as the vanguard, and elite institutions often seeing the writing on the wall first.

    The funniest irony of all of this is that Wokeness' obsession with black and trans people is also its ultimate insult to them. They are seen as the perfect examples of previously excluded peoples and exactly why standards of psychological and intellectual ability have to be lowered so that everyone can be let in. Even while all people in the public sphere have to be openly validated so this can never be acknowledged.

    What we really need is for Wokeness to develop an end point, rather than a semi-static hierarchy that is designed to compensate for the unequal distribution of competence, as it has now.

    The reason why this is crucial is because it gives people something to work towards, and by this I mean work towards something internally. it needs an aspect of self-development, rather than social change, otherwise it is just idiots changing things in the hope that they become less stupid, with no way of even recognising who might have better ideas.

    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it. Obviously this will make everything work better for everyone, but can only happen once Wokeism finds a language to model how such development, even spiritual, looks.

    I suggest that it is oddly internally consistent for Wokeism to see someone being non-reactive, curious and unprovocable as the most developed person. This is what people involved seem to be trying, with no conscious idea, to achieve. Once this personal developmental direction is spelled out and a natural hierarchy based on developed qualities, rather than an ideological one, is in place, things should become much more sensible.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

    So, the Woke need to become spiritualized Northern European civnats and all will be well?

    Words fail me, my friend; there is not a single chance in hell that this will ever happen, so staking one’s hopes on this is a no go.

    As the post which serves as the springboard for Steve’s post contends, the self-organizing element of Wokery actually depends on its adherents finding some personal benefit in this belief structure. As uncentralized as this may be, Steve has frequently outlined such motivating factors: ugly? Devalue all cultural ideals of beauty; not intelligent? Mock all hierarchies of competence and wisdom. The list goes on, and the linking thread seems obvious, i.e., ressentiment,as so well outlined by Nietzsche.

    There is in reality nothing spiritual or intellectually sound about this, and expecting those who embrace it to advance their spurious ends are the last ones one should anticipate would rise to such a challenge; rather, their modus operandi is to turn their back on genuine self-criticism, whether in the spiritual or the intellectual spheres. They look to actively avoid anything like this.

    Degradation, belittlement, punishment of those who make them feel insecure…these are the tools that they wield. Envy is their motivation, in short, and hatred comes as second nature.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
  111. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    The problem for me is, Jonathan, that they HAVE NO RIGHT to flap their wings like that. You will never get this. You seem to have absolutely no inkling of what the words freedom and liberty mean.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jonathan Mason

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    We might disagree with the decisions they make, but in that case we can always elect somebody else.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    Gov. Whitmer hasn't been protecting anyone from Jack Squat.

    , @Dube
    @Jonathan Mason


    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.
     
    The sovereign finds you unable to perceive the surrounding reality. Remember that one? Further, the sovereign suspends elections during the state of emergency.
  112. @Johann Ricke
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    That can’t happen, because the core of wokism is base resentments. Lesser looks, ability (IQ), and the history of one’s ancestors feeds into those resentments. Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.
     
    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization. Surely this savage understands that he’s inferior. What’s more likely is that they see a useful weapon for personal advancement. Who cares why it works, as long as it does? If you cast a magic spell and your enemy not only quails, but gives you what you want, that’s reason enough to use that spell over and over.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization.

    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?
     
    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there's a moral victory to be had. Your reasoning is similar to that of the intrepid explorer* sitting in a cooking pot who thinks re the cannibals who put him in his predicament "at least deep down, they know they are savages compared to moi - bon vivant, Renaissance Man and a product of the Enlightenment". Whereas the actual thought bubbles wafting up from the assembly of cannibals waiting for dinner to cook is probably closer to "I wonder if pink complexioned long pig tastes better than the local variant."

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rockefeller

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  113. @Aeoli Pera
    It stands to reason that blame falls on a Pareto distribution, like everything else.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    It’s less Paretian (in the modern, ’80:20′ sense), and more like a variant of a Simon Model or even Price’s Model (sometimes referred to as Price’s Law, by the sort of retard who wants anything interesting to be called ‘Law’).

    All three models are attempts to explain the tendency of some types of network to have very strongly skewed degree distributions – whereby the connectedness of ‘nodes’ follows some power-law distribution (rather than the uniform distribution that is the asymptotic unconstrained equilibrium).

    Price’s Model was developed specifically for citation networks – so it’s kind of relevant to discussions of the spread of written ideas in a discipline. Pareto, Simon and Price models all generate power-law distributions.

    Anyhow: long story longer… rather than the ~80:20 idea of ‘the’ Pareto Principle (whereby the most-productive quintile is responsible for 80% of output, be they ideas or widgets), Price’s Model is more like 50:√N – the square root of the total number of participants in a field, gets 50% of all citations.

    Consider that type of distributional model as applied outside of academic citations, to the generation of ‘influence’ more broadly.

    As an example: in a network with 10,000 participants, the top 100 will get 50% of the network’s influence-weight.

    That seems about right. Far better than 80:20; my guess would be that for large fields, the “next 30%” – from 50% to the ‘Paretian’ 80% – would be captured by the next few multiples of √N… and the bottom 90% (or so) would be fighting over the scraps.

    So some tiny fraction of Woke gibberish-generators, have enormous ‘heft’ as far as influence is concerned. The rest, not so much.

    • Thanks: Emil Nikola Richard
  114. @Known Fact
    On one point we did learn last night that the left is right -- guns do fire themselves!

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    The papers have been right all along. Shots do “ring out.” Gunfire simply “erupts.”

  115. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Agree with what you wrote up until the last sentence. We just saw that even in NJ, the bluest of blue states, the Dem governor almost lost the election (and in bluish Virginia he did). There is a limit to how much wokery Dems can engage in before they piss people off. Blacks by themselves can't win elections except in a handful of cities. Even otherwise blueish constitutencies (Latinos, suburban women) can grow disgusted with Woke nonsense once they understand that they have been assigned a lower spot on the DIEversty totem pole so that they have more to lose than to gain by buying into that system.

    You talk about legislation but Griggs was a Supreme Court created doctrine and it can be Court overruled. Republicans may lack the political courage to do the necessary but the Supreme Court might.

    It remains to be seen if they will bring the same zeal to this as they have toward getting rid of judge made abortion law. Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks's who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    Blacks by themselves can’t win elections except in a handful of cities.

    Blacks win elections just fine if they have a rapport with their constituency. Ilhan Omar, Lisa Blunt Rochester (right across the river from you), and Tim Scott all represent white majority constituencies. (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure)
     
    I met Sharon Sayles Belton, the black mayoress of Minneapolis in the Clinton years, on two occasions. She was quite friendly and eager to chat, both times to a nobody, outside her jurisdiction, nowhere near an election. She turned on the charm for me, and no doubt did so for the local powers that be, whom she impressed. She was a lot more moderate than the white men who followed, sort of a center-left colored female version of Ronald Reagan, who nearly took the state in 1984. She was easy to dismiss but hard to hate; it was difficult to oppose her.

    Somali women are taught to be coquettes from girlhood, as Frenchwomen (and Dixie chicks) were until recently. You didn't get anything from them, but they sure could get plenty from you. Whether Ilhan-- Omar isn't a surname-- utilized this on her way up, Kamala-style, is worth looking into.

    She has the Somali bloc sewn up, due more to their inattention than to any political affinity or nationalistic feeling. One is either Somali (Ilhan), anti-Somali (Ayaan), or neutral or ambiguous (Iman, married to some awful white musician and on the cover of this week's People.)

    The male-to-female ratio is as telling in politics as it is in musical competition, with the more difficult. Women are way more visible in country and rap than in orchestral and jazz due to the relative importance and difficulty of the latter. Maybe you've noticed that all the prominent Somalis you can name are women. Somali political knowledge and skill are at the level of "womyn's music".

    As for the rest of the 5th district's electorate, consider state house District 63B, which covers the southeast quadrant of the Congressional 5th. This is quite white (74.2%) and thick with trendy bungalows. Neither ghetto nor affluent.

    Frank Pafko, a veteran highway engineer and nephew of MLB All-Star Andy (about as scandal-free as any player can be) ran on the GOP line. He didn't quite make it to 20%. The DFL endorsement is as rubber-stamp there as the "White Supremacy For the Right" Democratic nod ever was in Alabama.

    This map shows Ilhan's relative strength in last year's primary. Hot points are Near North (black), part of "Nordeast", where artsy types have been supplanting white ethnics over the years, Southeast (the gigantic university), Phillips (mixed poor, with sharing literal Africans with the University area). And Powderhorn and Longfellow, riot central, where white south South Minneapolis gradually bleeds into quintiracial north South Minneapolis.

    Proletarian Fridley and Richfield, tony Edina, "St Jewish Park", and old swallowed-by-'burbs villages Hopkins and Osseo were much less impressed.


    https://img.apmcdn.org/b69759b58e66d9c5d1ba7ddd42706082095a14dd/uncropped/ed7aac-20200812-omar-primary-analysis03.png

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  116. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    We might disagree with the decisions they make, but in that case we can always elect somebody else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    Gov. Whitmer hasn’t been protecting anyone from Jack Squat.

    • Agree: J.Ross
  117. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    I would love to see Griggs v. Duke overturned, but I’m actually not entirely convinced Griggs v. Duke is as insurmountable a problem as everyone thinks.

    Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests, but frankly it’s probably best that most employers don’t. A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don’t have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    However there is perhaps another route to the same outcome: a third party that does test-only credentialing. That is, an organization that will test your mastery of some given subject, and provide a little gold star saying that you understand Fourier Analysis or Small Engine Repair or whatever. No classes, or teaching, or prep, you do that on your own. This would need to be a nonprofit, and the tests would need to be cheap to take for the test-taker, the tests would need to be hard, and cheating could not be tolerated. Ideally administered at a prometrix style testing center like they use for the GRE, USMLE, etc., and race wouldn’t be tracked at all. Employers could require a bundle of these certifications that amount to the same as a college degree. I don’t think any of this would be in violation of Griggs.

    I honestly think the biggest impediment to this is that college has become a consumption good. Kids and parents want the pretty buildings and the atmosphere and the parties and whatnot. People bemoan the fact that college has morphed from education to a job training program, but that’s not even true, it’s more akin to a 4 year debutante ball.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @SimpleSong

    A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don’t have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    There are these people called 'industrial psychologists'. And you don't have to re-invent the wheel every time. While we're at it, the question at hand is whether or not the aptitude test compares favorably to resumes and higher education screens. Even if it doesn't, the social costs of indiscriminate use of higher education may be so large that it isn't worth the candle.

    Replies: @JMcG, @SimpleSong

    , @Curle
    @SimpleSong

    “ Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests”

    Only in the fact pattern present in Griggs where the court determined the test wasn’t necessary for the low level job involved. Griggs is mainly an excuse for Woke companies to rationalize hiring weak workers and to push training off onto government and parents.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

  118. @Jonathan Mason
    I think he's right, but I think the same kind of argument can be applied to the infection control precautions for Covid-19.

    Public health officials and politicians do not want to be on the wrong side of history, so they will always err on the side of additional precautions.

    For example, Ecuador has just introduced a new rule that anybody arriving in the country must have proof of vaccine plus a negative PCR test.

    This is not because anybody in Ecuador is actually profiting from vaccine passports, but because it just seems to politicians like a sensible common sense precaution to protect the population which is now vaccinated at the rate of over 70% down to the age of five, mostly with Sinovac.

    Politicians hate to look at the morning papers and see headlines like "a million Americans died of covid-19 since Biden took office." Politicians tend to trust what the medical experts say, because they have no medical expertise themselves.

    It doesn't matter what country it is, politicians are basically all the same, and they want people to think that they did what was for the best.

    What is fascinating is that every country has its own idea of what is best. In the Caribbean region there are many micronations that depend heavily on north American and European tourism to earn foreign currency, and they have approached the question of how to deal with Covid-19 in a myriad of different ways, but without any real coordinated approach.

    To the basic consumer or reader of Unz review it appears that the fact that, say, Barbados requires proof of vaccination and testing before travel as well as testing on arrival and then having to get a test before going back to the United States within 24 hours of travel is proof of a conspiracy to make money by excessive testing and charges for vaccine passports and vaccine apps, but in fact it is just politicians and administrators helplessly flapping their wings and trying to give the impression to the world that they are doing the right thing.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Kratoklastes, @LondonBob

    The reason that the political class is able to ‘err on the side of additional precautions‘ – without bothering to establish whether the ‘precautions’ can be expected to work – is because they do not bear the cost of error[1].

    It’s really as simple as that.

    The actual tangible, personal consequences of bad decisions have been virtually eliminated, since the rise of the Party Jobber in Western ‘representative’ systems of government.

    A manifestly incompetent boob might lose a Cabinet position – if they can’t find a way to duck-shove a policy-failure onto someone else. If they’ve shown sufficient loyalty to the Party to get to Cabinet level, they are not going to lose their seat unless the entire Party is swept from power.

    I’ve long said that all Party-Jobbers should have to nominate a member of their next-of-kin as a hostage who would be executed if the Party-Jobber implements (or advocates for) a policy that is subsequently shown to have no empirical basis. In situations where the policy ‘failure’ results in the deaths of commoners, the Jobber’s entire family should be executed (leave the Jobber alive, in the hope that they experience the full measure of grief for the rest of their lives).

    That would focus their minds. If ‘W’, Cheney, and the neocons all knew that they were putting their entire families on the line, maybe they wouldn’t have unleashed the Death Machine. If Ferguson knew that his family would face lethal consequences from his 2-decade string of Chicken Little ‘forecasts’, maybe he would have approached his task with the circumspection it requires.

    OK, maybe not Cheney.

    [1] In all of the foregoing, the assumption is that the publicly-stated objective of the policy, is the actual objective. That’s actually monumentally unlikely: policy is framed with some specific set of undisclosed beneficiaries in mind. That set of beneficiaries is not generally known to the public (and is certainly not the public at large).

    In reality, there are no ‘failed’ policies, as Robert Higgs famously wrote ~25 years ago in The Myth of “Failed” Policies.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Kratoklastes


    In all of the foregoing, the assumption is that the publicly-stated objective of the policy, is the actual objective. That’s actually monumentally unlikely: policy is framed with some specific set of undisclosed beneficiaries in mind. That set of beneficiaries is not generally known to the public (and is certainly not the public at large).
     
    Goes without saying, but there is a general tendency in the media these days to assume that politicians don't mean what they say, and to immediately offer an alternative interpretation, which is also often wrong.

    It's usually seems to take at least 50 years for historians to figure out what was really going on at the time.

    Right now George W Bush and Donald Trump are looking like Nero and Caligula in the pantheon of presidents, but who knows what the considered opinion will be in 2100?

    All of us have a tendency to think that our perspective on life and experience of life gives us some insight into truth and reality, but obviously some of us are wrong.
  119. @res
    @Arclight


    The current generation of wokistas have grown up far from actual diversity, but the generation behind them are going to get it good and hard and will have far different views on it.
     
    Indeed. The backlash should be interesting when it inevitably comes. I think the long term fate of wokeness is to be reviled as bringing about the kinds of things they claimed to be fighting against (e.g. more racism).

    Replies: @Arclight

    Yes – in the end people will be far less restrained saying what they really think about other demographic groups and there will be less sanction this speech or even acting on it. Latinos are probably the tip of the spear in this respect, since a as a group they are in more proximity and competition with blacks when it comes to where they live, go to school, or work and they don’t have white guilt. Once they recognize they have numbers on their side and a substantial number of whites that aren’t interested in subordinating their interests to those of black Americans, it’s over.

  120. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are assuming your conclusion - that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion - the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it's widely accepted.

    Replies: @Bill, @SafeNow, @William Badwhite, @jo shmo

    the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Even as we’re 20 something months into this and neither the lockdowns nor the masks are stopping or even slowing the spread, surely there is a point at which these mandates cease to be reasonable.

    Is “no shirt, no shoes, no service” a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone?

    “No shirt, no shoes, no service” was never a FedGov mandate. It comes from private businesses wanting to maintain a certain level and/or age of clientele (which may be rayciss come to think of it).

  121. Meanwhile, Columbia University is enjoying this years “Stabbiest School” title, as another student, this one featuring a PhD(!), takes another one… for the team:

  122. @Eagle Eye
    @Reg Cæsar


    Klaus Schwab is not making them do this ...
     
    The lady doeth protest too much.

    Expect many more pieces pushing this "amorphous organization" meme about the Woke Wave. It has been said that Satan's greatest trick is to convince men that he does not exist.

    One notes that the same line - "it's just an amorphous organization without any centralized leadership" - was previously trotted out about "Antifa" by numerous "academics," "law enforcement" spokeswomen, "intelligence analysts" etc., as if on cue. Since then, some real observers have looked more closely about the senior leadership of "Antifa." Sure enough, it was found that the organization's actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing. As always, the question is cui bono.

    Wokery as a whole follows the same pattern. Anyone who seriously looks at the outline and in particular at the texture of the large cultural, legislative and administrative changes since the 1920s cannot fail to be impressed by how a small, incestuous coterie of "intellectuals," bureaucrats, money men, quasi-hereditary ruling families, sexual deviants, general psychopaths and opportunists have been working assiduously - often in broad daylight - to build a massive core organization, develop a consolidated strategy supported by a whole assemblage of mind viruses, propaganda techniques, bureaucratic and legal devices, etc., all mutually reinforcing.

    It is quite true that - like multi-level sales organizations - the lower-tier players are keenly aware of their own opportunities to profit, but may have only a vague understanding of what the central leadership wants and does. That does not mean that the central leadership does not have its own role in shaping the structure and trajectory of the organization.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dube, @nosquat loquat

    “Antifa.”…it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing…

    Citation?

    I’m not trying to imitate Corvirus, I’m genuinely curious, particularly about the Fed backing part.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @William Badwhite

    Start here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Antifas-Radical-Destroy-Democracy/dp/154605958X

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Justvisiting
    @William Badwhite

    This does not directly address the "Deep State" question of your post, but these old articles give a lot of detail about early Antifa that you may find interesting (there are links to parts 1 and 2):

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/antifa-osint-profile-leaders-weaknesses-exposed-part-3/

    I am convinced the Deep State has (at an absolute minimum) deeply infiltrated Antifa to the point that it would be difficult to figure out whether it was active support or merely agent provocateur behavior.

  123. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: “Swedish scientists prosecuted for finding that most rapes are committed by immigrants.”

    https://rmx.news/article/swedish-scientists-prosecuted-for-finding-that-most-rapes-are-committed-by-immigrants/

    Being legally prosecuted for telling the truth is beyond the pale. It’s the point at which civil society breaks down. I don’t see any way out of this short of civil war.

  124. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    It simply does not take a college “education” to do most of the white collar work people do.
     
    How and why did we get to a situation where a college degree was a pre-requisite for every job above the cashier level? A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke - if you can't give people an IQ test in order to find out if they are smart enough to be competent, then the college degree serves as a proxy IQ test (and remember that the employer doesn't have to pay for your college education).

    What you are proposing - competency testing rather than requiring a credential, is largely illegal (and goes against the spirit of Wokeness - even colleges are not going to require admission tests anymore) unless it can be absolutely positively proven that the test is strictly linked to the job skills, because any racial disparity on the test is presumed to be the result of "racism" (and somehow the test always falls short of this standard unless you make the test so easy as to be worthless). Just saying "we want to hire only smart people because smart people are better at solving problems" is verboten because hiring only smart people automatically excludes most you know whos.

    Some people are getting all excited because the Supreme Ct. appears poised to overthrow Roe v. Wade but what they really need to do is overthrow Griggs v. Duke. You say "we need testing as a substitute for universities" but the universities themselves were originally the substitute for banned testing so unless you undo the ban it's not going to be possible. Employers (who haven't themselves gone woke) would welcome the return of testing (especially now that college degrees have become increasingly worthless) but this can't happen until the law is changed.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @SunBakedSuburb, @res, @JMcG, @SimpleSong, @AnotherDad

    A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke …

    Jack, no argument Griggs is a pile of crap. Lawyers deciding really important stuff–like lawyering–can require an IQ test, but any idiot can run operate controls of a power plant. (This from the people who have given us such triumphs of reasoning as Brown, Roe, Lawrence, Obergefell and, of course, Griggs.)

    However, i don’t think the situation is quite so bleak. Tests to get a credential are certainly not illegal. They are ubiquitous in the tech industry. The GED is (an easy) one. They are required to practice medicine. And, of course, your own bar exam.

    The contention–from Griggs–would be on the employment side. Is the credential relevant?

    But that’s there anyway. Even with college degrees, employers chose based on schools and GPA-which are in part driven off exams. (I never even got a resume from HR that didn’t have a very good GPA from a decent school. Somebody was filtering.)

    But yeah, specific legislation enabling/encouraging this would be useful.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    but any idiot can

    A phrase favored by those with oodles of unearned self-confidence.

    Replies: @ic1000

  125. @Anon7
    @Altai

    Women don't really exist anymore, in the West, in any form that your grandfather or great-grandfather would recognize. Medical (and pharmaceutical) science is the reason.

    For most of their lives, starting with their first few periods, women use birth control. Not to avoid pregnancy, but to control their periods. Most women at least some of the time have very severe mood swings and extensive bleeding; this is mostly controlled by birth control hormones now.

    Young girls and women also use drugs like Prozac to control panic attacks, depression and severe menstrual symptoms. Prozac is the fundamental reason that many women can now participate in large organizations for an entire career. There was often a practical reason that ancient or primitive societies required women to withdraw from social interaction for a week every month.

    Women now believe that they can control their own minds and bodies; why shouldn't they also believe that they can (and should) control society around them to further ease their minds?

    Will the West tell women they can't have birth control or Prozac whenever they want it? I doubt it.

    Will the West at some point tell women that their control over society and social discourse also needs to have practical limits. We'll see.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Alden

    The period is essentially what it means to be a female human. Good point. Most species don’t have that moment.

  126. @JimDandy
    If the real power wanted to stomp out Wokeness like a bug. They would. Successfully. Splat!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @GazaPlanet

    See Joseph Stalin questioning how many divisions does the pope have!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    See Joseph Stalin questioning how many divisions does the [P]ope have!
     
    One more than the USSR has today.


    https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/5a9337b4d363c34048b35c0c/16:9/w_2560,c_limit/See-the-Swiss-Guards-_Getty_2018_GettyImages-821800896.jpg

  127. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    The piece touches on an element of wokeness that doesn’t get enough attention for the moment but is central to its appeal in government and academia – that is provides many landing spots for mediocrities who are credentialed but not really useful for productive work.
     
    Thanks Arclight.

    Conservatives won't win unless we start fighting. Naming things correctly--"calling a spade, a spade"--is a big part of that.

    I've yet to hear a Republican politician--even a Trump/MAGA type--use the word "parasite". But that's an absolute minimum requirement.

    America has a bunch of people who are incredibly productive. Our farmers, auto and airplane factories, refineries and pipeline network and power plants--amazing how productive people are in producing the basic stuff we depend upon. But they support a vast expanse of people who do nothing particularly useful--a large percentage in the state or "state adjacent" (doing useless work funded by or required by the state).

    Parasites.

    The Democratic party is essentially an organized coalition of various state dependent or state friendly parasites.

    "The parasite party" has a nice ring to it. Long past time, Tucker or Trump or someone was getting that out there and we were hearing it regularly from conservatives.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res, @Ragno, @Arclight

    I think the balance needs to be more on the side of making a positive case for why the right should be someone’s political home rather than the left. The easiest case in my mind and sort of of in line with your comments is we are hard working, independent winners, and the left is for people that need to be taken care of because they can’t cut it themselves. As a famous terrorist once said, when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they will like the strong horse.

    Fetal position conservativism has been a disaster. Trump, for all his faults, was unafraid to be bold and sometimes sound like an ass, but people who are not ‘supposed’ to like him appreciated that about him.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Arclight


    I think the balance needs to be more on the side of making a positive case for why the right should be someone’s political home rather than the left.
     
    How about thinking of one’s political home in the literal sense?

    If you’re a democrat, you like creating hell for the plebes, then moving on.
    Theological fantasy without accountability is now the liberal construct.

    It’s dark, it’s shitty, it’s slimey.

    A narcissists game of patting oneself on the back, while playing on the suckers,
    and elevating the mugs.

    It’s the liberal democrat's way.

    https://youtu.be/W7RgqngPUnw

  128. @William Badwhite
    @Eagle Eye


    “Antifa.”...it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing...
     
    Citation?

    I'm not trying to imitate Corvirus, I'm genuinely curious, particularly about the Fed backing part.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Justvisiting

    Start here:

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Getaclue

    Can you summarize the most interesting parts? I'm also genuinely curious about the claim of central leadership and coordination with elements of US government.

  129. Here’s another great explanation for the conquest of Wokianity (maybe already covered here?):

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/why-is-wokeness-winning

    I maintain that large scale conspiracy theories are more a reflection of the autism of their adherents. There simply aren’t enough sociopaths in the world, and the ones that exist are too self interested to tow the line for some large, organized cabal. For conspiracies to work they need to stay small. That’s why we still haven’t found Jimmy Hoffa. I’ll change my mind when the World Zionist Conspiracy delivers my Jew gold and approves my promotion.

  130. @Triteleia Laxa
    This article gets it exactly right, but it can be distilled further: Wokeness sells itself as inclusive, but it can never name what it is really being inclusive of, which is mediocrity, encompassing both intellectual stupidity and psychological immaturity.

    It essentially allows less capable people to have a voice in public conversation, which works well for Wokeness, as one of the main threads of the last 200 years has been the entry of ever more people into that "the public". In this regards, social media has been the ultimate catalyst. Now even provincial children can enter the conversation.

    And how else could the ideology of the public sphere change to allow more people into it? The ideology has to be such so that people in the public sphere see themselves in it, and that people entering are able to understand the basic principles and see themselves too. Wokeness fits this bill, just as Containment ideology allows the germophobes equal access.

    Previous iterations of public sphere ideology, like "women are homemakers and men belong in the public sphere because they are rational" or something, obviously can't work for a time when women have entered in force. And trying to stop groups from entering the public sphere is like trying to hold back the tides. The only reason that it was more exclusive in the past was due to a lack of resources and technology-enabling interaction. As those constraints disappear, so the reigning ideology changes, with the young as the vanguard, and elite institutions often seeing the writing on the wall first.

    The funniest irony of all of this is that Wokeness' obsession with black and trans people is also its ultimate insult to them. They are seen as the perfect examples of previously excluded peoples and exactly why standards of psychological and intellectual ability have to be lowered so that everyone can be let in. Even while all people in the public sphere have to be openly validated so this can never be acknowledged.

    What we really need is for Wokeness to develop an end point, rather than a semi-static hierarchy that is designed to compensate for the unequal distribution of competence, as it has now.

    The reason why this is crucial is because it gives people something to work towards, and by this I mean work towards something internally. it needs an aspect of self-development, rather than social change, otherwise it is just idiots changing things in the hope that they become less stupid, with no way of even recognising who might have better ideas.

    Once Wokeism can recognise psychological and intellectual development, those who are more intellectually and psychologically developed can take their natural role as directing it. Obviously this will make everything work better for everyone, but can only happen once Wokeism finds a language to model how such development, even spiritual, looks.

    I suggest that it is oddly internally consistent for Wokeism to see someone being non-reactive, curious and unprovocable as the most developed person. This is what people involved seem to be trying, with no conscious idea, to achieve. Once this personal developmental direction is spelled out and a natural hierarchy based on developed qualities, rather than an ideological one, is in place, things should become much more sensible.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

    To the point about inferiority (which I have independently stumbled across in my contrast between the physics postgrad and the tranny, as surely have thousands of others), the New Discourses guy in his devastation of Critical Theory video claims (credibly) that he has a specific widely attested illustration: there’s a woke spinoff called dietetics (not Dianetics), which is the application of critical nonsense to nutrition. Inevitably the dieteticians sooner or later bring up that they had aspired to run a health food store, a restaurant, a food brand, or something like that; they couldn’t into business, tried to bring in that which the market would not bear; went out of business, thought about it, and finally decided that it wasn’t their fault, it was really everybody else’s fault.
    They are literally sour grapes; they are people who couldn’t carry a bucket, and who now insist that water needs to be free.

  131. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks’s who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.
     
    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren't blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them. For those who want to continue on with their lives without having to care for a child after carrying their babies to term, there are baby Moses laws in all 50 states.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden

    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren’t blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them.

    I don’t believe this is quite the case.

    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.

    ~~

    But i’m with you on the general question of eugenics.

    There’s simply no way you can maintain human genetic capital to have a civilized society, if you don’t take measures to replace the “genetic maintenance” that nature used to apply.

    It is straightforward to apply a system of tax deductions–on the high end–and non-fertility quid-pro-quo for welfare–on the low end–to encourage the sort of eugenic fertility necessary.

    It’s a shame–and utterly ridiculous–our societies are so doused with minoritarian bafflegab that we can’t even have intelligent discussion of genetic matters.

    • Replies: @jo shmo
    @AnotherDad

    In fact, any group can improve if the dysfunctional among them do not procreate. That seems the most humane way to close the gap: pay low IQ folks to get sterilized before they procreate.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.
     

    And then you had Steve Job's birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos's. I am comparing these people to the welfare leeches who don't get abortions because they view their infants as the welfare state ATM machines that they are. The whole premise that abortions are sparing us from social disorder is misguided, because only people with any future orientation get abortions. The welfare leeches are baby machines because these bundles of joy are literally where their next paychecks are coming from (in the form of both cash and non-cash state and federal benefits).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

  132. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wonder what field(s) he’s talking about
     
    All of them.

    This guy is good.
     
    Agreed. I've been reading eugyppius for a while, and so am pleased that he's got Steve's attention too. I believe he's some kind of German. Embarrassingly to me, like most educated Northern Continental Europeans, he writes and speaks better and more incisive English than the median American.

    ---------

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement. It is the sum of all the actions and opinions of all the people who have opted into it.

    Importantly, Wokeness is also self-radicalising, in the way that many university-incubated ideologies turn out to be. Administrators or department chairs are constantly in danger of being outflanked on their left, and so they must adopt and endorse the most radical line to maintain their position. Otherwise they will be accused of racism or sexism or whatever and replaced by even more unhinged dangerous people.
     
    I wonder in what ways, if any, Wokeness is different from the Cultural Revolution in China? IMHO, Wokeness is the Cultural Revolution finally come to the West. This is sort of good news/bad news type of thing. Good news because this it has been incipient for a long time* and now the tension is finally over. Bad news because a) it's bad, and b) it only ended in China when the Army got fed up and shot the most irksome Cultural Revolutionaries along with anyone in the vicinity. The Woke seem to have noticed this too and so they are trying to obviate this endgame by taking over the military themselves, and it looks like they are succeeding. (This implies, by the way, that Wokeness is not quite so decentralized as eugyppius thinks.) There remains of course the reserve army of armed citizenry, perhaps the largest in the world, but they are disorganized, not-so-well regulated, and not necessarily all opposed to Wokeness. History is full of small and organized forces defeating large and disorganized forces. Will it happen again? We may all live to find out.

    ---------

    *It has been foretold to a certain extent by some speculative fiction-y writers. Besides Jean Raspail, Doris Lessing's Shikasta (coincidentally also written in the 1970s) was even more on point on the intersectional totem pole. She erred, however, in anticipating a more class/economic divisiveness rather than ethnic/racial.

    Hitler turned out to be the radical that everyone consciously or unconsciously emulates rather than Marx or Lenin. Marxists can pontificate all they want, but at the end of the day, the knuckledraggers had it right: your skin is your uniform.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Bardon Kaldian

    This has very little in common with the Cultural Revolution. That turmoil was basically an internal power struggle within CCP, with Mao successfully, for some time, manipulating the masses to strengthen his position- but he was not alone in this. This mass hysteria was supported by Mao’s faction within the CCP, and those more reform-oriented temporarily lost because what they offered was slow & painful progress- while Mao’s faction offered instant paradise, and lunatic masses bought, as usual, the instant fake solution.

    Mao was not in complete control of the army, and his supporters within CCP cooled off after numerous incidents. Having defeated the relatively reasonable, but uninspiring wing of the party, they found themselves, as did Mao, in an unenviable position of a weakened hysterical dysfunctional country.

    This story is completely different from the US mass lunacy, which has different social, cultural 6 economical roots. I would say that the US Cultural Revolution is something almost inevitable, having in mind the last 60 years; the Chinese Cultural Revolution was, on closer inspection, something almost completely avoidable & unnecessary. The same with Stalin’s purges in the 1930s.

  133. @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    I would love to see Griggs v. Duke overturned, but I'm actually not entirely convinced Griggs v. Duke is as insurmountable a problem as everyone thinks.

    Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests, but frankly it's probably best that most employers don't. A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don't have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    However there is perhaps another route to the same outcome: a third party that does test-only credentialing. That is, an organization that will test your mastery of some given subject, and provide a little gold star saying that you understand Fourier Analysis or Small Engine Repair or whatever. No classes, or teaching, or prep, you do that on your own. This would need to be a nonprofit, and the tests would need to be cheap to take for the test-taker, the tests would need to be hard, and cheating could not be tolerated. Ideally administered at a prometrix style testing center like they use for the GRE, USMLE, etc., and race wouldn't be tracked at all. Employers could require a bundle of these certifications that amount to the same as a college degree. I don't think any of this would be in violation of Griggs.

    I honestly think the biggest impediment to this is that college has become a consumption good. Kids and parents want the pretty buildings and the atmosphere and the parties and whatnot. People bemoan the fact that college has morphed from education to a job training program, but that's not even true, it's more akin to a 4 year debutante ball.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle

    A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don’t have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    There are these people called ‘industrial psychologists’. And you don’t have to re-invent the wheel every time. While we’re at it, the question at hand is whether or not the aptitude test compares favorably to resumes and higher education screens. Even if it doesn’t, the social costs of indiscriminate use of higher education may be so large that it isn’t worth the candle.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art - the CAST (Craft and Skilled Trades) test is routinely administered to those seeking employment in the utilities. It was developed by the Edison Electric Institute. It’s not difficult, but it stands as a substantial obstacle to those who don’t have the equivalent of (I’d say) a tenth grade education.

    , @SimpleSong
    @Art Deco

    There are these people called ‘industrial psychologists’. And you don’t have to re-invent the wheel every time.

    Right, but that's my point, most employers would be better off trying to outsource the entire thing to a separate organization staffed with these sorts of people rather than do it themselves. A small or medium sized business is not going to have the resources to do this properly any more than they're going to be able to code their own relational database or generate their own electricity. And if you're going to rely on an outside authority to design the test, they might as well have that organization administer the test under controlled conditions as well, and get the added benefit of a layer of plausible deniability about any group discrepancies.

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    A lot of it was driven by Griggs v. Duke ...
     
    Jack, no argument Griggs is a pile of crap. Lawyers deciding really important stuff--like lawyering--can require an IQ test, but any idiot can run operate controls of a power plant. (This from the people who have given us such triumphs of reasoning as Brown, Roe, Lawrence, Obergefell and, of course, Griggs.)

    However, i don't think the situation is quite so bleak. Tests to get a credential are certainly not illegal. They are ubiquitous in the tech industry. The GED is (an easy) one. They are required to practice medicine. And, of course, your own bar exam.

    The contention--from Griggs--would be on the employment side. Is the credential relevant?

    But that's there anyway. Even with college degrees, employers chose based on schools and GPA-which are in part driven off exams. (I never even got a resume from HR that didn't have a very good GPA from a decent school. Somebody was filtering.)

    But yeah, specific legislation enabling/encouraging this would be useful.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    but any idiot can

    A phrase favored by those with oodles of unearned self-confidence.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Art Deco

    AnotherDad wrote:

    > Lawyers deciding really important stuff–like lawyering–can require an IQ test, but [sarc] any idiot [/sarc] can operate the controls of a power plant.

    I added the tag for clarity.

  135. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Compared to other purges in history (Salem Witch Trials, the Stalinist Purges, etc.) this one has been relatively mild – people lose their jobs but not their lives.
     
    I think you're failing to see that this wokeness is a prelude, not the end. We're in the early Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines stage now, except the message is coming from every institution all at once. As I wrote before, the investigators won't find "extremism" in Darrell Brooks's social media rantings because what he writes is indistinguishable from what you find in academia, cable news channels, NPR and the New York Times. How can this be "extreme?" The actual killings are thus far intermittent and disorganized but certainly form a discernible pattern.

    You also seem not to recognize that purges have the primary effect of cowing would-be dissidents, which is certainly a current fact of our social and political life.

    Replies: @Pratt

    Alec,

    good post — but, unfortunately, also a waste of time and energy as far as that Jack character is concerned. If you look at his commenting history, it’s easy to see that he doesn’t argue in good faith but is merely trying to disrupt. A troll, in other words.

    • Agree: David
  136. @Hapalong Cassidy
    “For students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, “

    That’s not necessarily true. To get someone to believe in something , you have to make them work for it. If you keep it too easy they’ll forget it. Someone here at Unz once posted the syllabus from one of these Woke Studies classes awhile back, and it was full of “make work”. Not rocket science, but extremely time consuming. The more the students have to work for it, the more invested they will be in its principals and the more likely they will become true believers. After all, they don’t want to feel like they’re wasting their time (a textbook example of cognitive dissonance).

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Unladen Swallow

    What “make work” that was also time consuming were they required to do?

  137. @Art Deco
    @SimpleSong

    A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don’t have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    There are these people called 'industrial psychologists'. And you don't have to re-invent the wheel every time. While we're at it, the question at hand is whether or not the aptitude test compares favorably to resumes and higher education screens. Even if it doesn't, the social costs of indiscriminate use of higher education may be so large that it isn't worth the candle.

    Replies: @JMcG, @SimpleSong

    Art – the CAST (Craft and Skilled Trades) test is routinely administered to those seeking employment in the utilities. It was developed by the Edison Electric Institute. It’s not difficult, but it stands as a substantial obstacle to those who don’t have the equivalent of (I’d say) a tenth grade education.

  138. Anon[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    Wokeness is significantly decentralized, but it is intellectual malfeasance of the highest order to pretend there are no top-down mechanisms at play here.

    Replies: @Anon

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start “top down”, or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the “top-down mechanisms”. I don’t doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot–“the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!”–is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don’t mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My top-down mechanism is that around 2013 the re-elected Obama Administration and the New York Times coordinated upon some priorities: e.g., the campus rape crisis panic that targeted fraternities.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

    , @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Frankfort School
    ADL
    Facebook
    Twitter
    ACLU
    Bill Gates Foundation

    etc, etc.

    , @ben tillman
    @Anon


    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start “top down”, or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?
     
    It all comes from the top.

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the “top-down mechanisms”. I don’t doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes.
     
    There's nothing vague or unidentifiable about the cause or the mechanisms. The cause is the Jewish community. The mechanisms are indoctrination, incentivization, and intimidation.

    The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot–“the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!”–is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.
     
    Comgratulations on getting it perfectly backward.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Richard B
    @Anon


    Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.
     
    "...usually a symptom"? So that means sometimes it isn't a symptom. Interesting.

    In any event, my question would be How is it nihilistic to properly identify a problem?

    And who needs a Conspiracy Theory when you have the facts of Cultural History, the patterns of Human Behavior, and the reality of Current Events aligned like a Perfect Storm and staring us all right in the face?

    And when it comes to Supremacy, it doesn't matter what a person believes. What matters is whether or not they have the power to effectuate their demands, whatever they may be.

    From this perspective it's obvious that Woke Inc. is run by a unique and hostile elite that is not only demanding to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally, and blindly obeyed, but has the power to effectuate those demands.

    It would take a lot of courage, honesty and intelligence to see, say, and do something about this. More than most of us have. But the last thing such a response would be is nihilistic.

    , @JimDandy
    @Anon

    The "spontaneous" war on statues was clearly orchestrated and done with the cooperation of the MSM.

  139. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    @AnotherDad

    I think the balance needs to be more on the side of making a positive case for why the right should be someone's political home rather than the left. The easiest case in my mind and sort of of in line with your comments is we are hard working, independent winners, and the left is for people that need to be taken care of because they can't cut it themselves. As a famous terrorist once said, when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they will like the strong horse.

    Fetal position conservativism has been a disaster. Trump, for all his faults, was unafraid to be bold and sometimes sound like an ass, but people who are not 'supposed' to like him appreciated that about him.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I think the balance needs to be more on the side of making a positive case for why the right should be someone’s political home rather than the left.

    How about thinking of one’s political home in the literal sense?

    If you’re a democrat, you like creating hell for the plebes, then moving on.
    Theological fantasy without accountability is now the liberal construct.

    It’s dark, it’s shitty, it’s slimey.

    A narcissists game of patting oneself on the back, while playing on the suckers,
    and elevating the mugs.

    It’s the liberal democrat’s way.

  140. I hate to be at the end of the comment list because by now most have wandered off to other topics they really want you read. Topics by iSteve be damned.

    My point is only this: this essay today reads like on of those mushy articles you often read (regardless of viewpoint) where someone fervently argues against a contention which no one ever actually makes.

    Does anyone write or proclaim that Wokeness (however defined) is some organized carefully controlled conspiracy? No. Unlike like Real Communists, neo commies have to read few if any long books and are not vetted by thuggish committees of Party functionaries.

    There are ideological godfathers to Wokeness spun in the dark circles of the Neo Communist Left where they try to plug new concepts into a “Marxist” framework. Since the old class struggle ideas failed miserably, why not insert something else.

    Some have to do with the Third World “revolutionary” Marxism ginned up when colonialism was breathing its last. That morphed into some European hating Third World Worship which took a few decades to discredit. Funny how dark revolutionary “heroes” turned out to be even worse than the former Europeans put in charge. That easily become our current Hate Whitey and the Culture He Rode In With. Not only Whitey but heterosexual culture and sexual norms. (Though even Woke minorities seldom champion that, as generally they are less willing to climb onto the alphabet bandwagon of sexual polymorphism.)

    So yes, Wokeness is an intellectual fad pushed by the usual subjects. Hacks who climb on bandwagons to push others off their intellectual “high horses.” No conspiracy needed.

    Hypersensitivity to race is the main weapon employed by white academics and pseudo intellectuals. In a childish manner demanding that you speak their “language” regardless of facts, etc. Ditto sexual oddwads.

    Some grifter POCs have latched on so as to climb corporate/academic ladders as token this or thats. Or Alphabet City types who want to be around kindergartners.

    No conspiracy. Just grift and stupidity. Courtesy of Twitter, Facebook and a thin layer of whites who pretend to be better than you and me. Just because, you know, 1619 Project and all…

  141. @SimpleSong
    @Jack D

    I would love to see Griggs v. Duke overturned, but I'm actually not entirely convinced Griggs v. Duke is as insurmountable a problem as everyone thinks.

    Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests, but frankly it's probably best that most employers don't. A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don't have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    However there is perhaps another route to the same outcome: a third party that does test-only credentialing. That is, an organization that will test your mastery of some given subject, and provide a little gold star saying that you understand Fourier Analysis or Small Engine Repair or whatever. No classes, or teaching, or prep, you do that on your own. This would need to be a nonprofit, and the tests would need to be cheap to take for the test-taker, the tests would need to be hard, and cheating could not be tolerated. Ideally administered at a prometrix style testing center like they use for the GRE, USMLE, etc., and race wouldn't be tracked at all. Employers could require a bundle of these certifications that amount to the same as a college degree. I don't think any of this would be in violation of Griggs.

    I honestly think the biggest impediment to this is that college has become a consumption good. Kids and parents want the pretty buildings and the atmosphere and the parties and whatnot. People bemoan the fact that college has morphed from education to a job training program, but that's not even true, it's more akin to a 4 year debutante ball.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle

    “ Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests”

    Only in the fact pattern present in Griggs where the court determined the test wasn’t necessary for the low level job involved. Griggs is mainly an excuse for Woke companies to rationalize hiring weak workers and to push training off onto government and parents.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @Curle

    I think you're right that most higher level jobs could get away with legally administering aptitude tests, but it definitely has a chilling effect. A lot of people are skittish about lawsuits and so they just pick the path of least resistance.

  142. Wokery Is Not a Conspiracy But a Self-Organizing Decentralized Movement

    like jews?

    how tired are the jews of no messiah? not as tired as the goyim are having waited for 76 years with no holocaust.

  143. Meanwhile, in reality, if Larry Fink dropped dead of a heart attack tomorrow, Woke Capital would stop being Woke, because the corporate welfare stream would be cut off and they would no longer be able to afford it.

    Meanwhile, in reality, if you suggest shutting down the universities, wokists go absolutely apeshit. They know if they didn’t have the university pig trough, they would have nothing. How does CRT spread to schools if they can’t sic the FBI on parents who complain? (Shades of 1852.) It doesn’t.

    The situation is somewhat complicated. In particular, more complicated than can fit into an article of this size. This is part of its security – being too complicated to easily explain. Yes, it looks somewhat decentralized. No, it is not even slightly decentralized. Your attention span will deplete long before I can explain how that works. However, it’s all Fed/IRS money in the end. Cut the funding and it dies immediately.

    Still, I can point out that somehow Woke Capital manages to be actively anti-Woke when doing business in China, where the local 800-pound gorilla has different ideas. Capital has no ideas of its own. It just does what it’s told.

    I can also point out that if it wasn’t Fed/IRS money, they would have run out of money a long time ago.

    Does buying large mansions for riot organizers pay off? It doesn’t. You buy the riot, sure, but then the money is gone forever. Anyone funding this nonsense would be eaten by the first competitor to offer a cheaper, higher-quality, riot-free product – that is, unless the revenue stream is immune to competition. Someone has to prop up all these unprofitable Woke businesses, like Twitter; it sure isn’t customers, so by process of elimination… If those making the money can’t choose to stop giving the money to someone who is going to give it to rioters, then Woke can’t go broke.

    Reality: America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns. If you don’t know what he’s saying, then you don’t know what your enemies are trying to do to you and it’s too difficult to defend yourself. E.g. you think it’s decentralized and there’s no Pope directing things. You’re playing chess except you think the win condition is capturing all the individual pawns. I wonder where you got that idea…?
    Fun fact: the army is fully loyal to this Pope, even though they won’t admit he exists. If you found him, went to his door, and went all [fedposting] on him, the army would be first in line to toss you in jail. Haha…oops!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alrenous

    "America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns."

    Please tell us his name.

    Replies: @Buroaker, @Alrenous, @Anon

  144. @Kratoklastes
    Eugyppius' substack is almost indispensable (along with Alex Berenson; Rounding The Earth; uTobian; and El Gato Malo) for anyone who is interested in a numerate take on the current nonsense.

    Also: on the fact that it was always intended for you mudbloods' Pfizer Subscription to be QUARTERLY...

    UK Health Secretary: 'Boosters' every three months.

    NAILED IT.

    The jabs don't work, you poor gullible fucking cockwombles. It was just Pfizer Pfizering, with an assist from their paid bitches at CDC and FDA.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Forbes

    I read Alex Berensen daily but Robespierre only when Reg Cæsar gives the high sign

  145. Griggs is mainly an excuse for Woke companies to rationalize hiring weak workers and to push training off onto government and parents.

    There weren’t any woke companies in 1971, masses of people with tertiary degrees have no vocational training or at least none relevant to their job, even today more than half receive no baccalaureate degree and 1/3 receive neither an associate’s nor a baccalaureate degree.

  146. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Blacks by themselves can’t win elections except in a handful of cities.

    Blacks win elections just fine if they have a rapport with their constituency. Ilhan Omar, Lisa Blunt Rochester (right across the river from you), and Tim Scott all represent white majority constituencies. (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure)

    I met Sharon Sayles Belton, the black mayoress of Minneapolis in the Clinton years, on two occasions. She was quite friendly and eager to chat, both times to a nobody, outside her jurisdiction, nowhere near an election. She turned on the charm for me, and no doubt did so for the local powers that be, whom she impressed. She was a lot more moderate than the white men who followed, sort of a center-left colored female version of Ronald Reagan, who nearly took the state in 1984. She was easy to dismiss but hard to hate; it was difficult to oppose her.

    Somali women are taught to be coquettes from girlhood, as Frenchwomen (and Dixie chicks) were until recently. You didn’t get anything from them, but they sure could get plenty from you. Whether Ilhan– Omar isn’t a surname– utilized this on her way up, Kamala-style, is worth looking into.

    She has the Somali bloc sewn up, due more to their inattention than to any political affinity or nationalistic feeling. One is either Somali (Ilhan), anti-Somali (Ayaan), or neutral or ambiguous (Iman, married to some awful white musician and on the cover of this week’s People.)

    The male-to-female ratio is as telling in politics as it is in musical competition, with the more difficult. Women are way more visible in country and rap than in orchestral and jazz due to the relative importance and difficulty of the latter. Maybe you’ve noticed that all the prominent Somalis you can name are women. Somali political knowledge and skill are at the level of “womyn’s music”.

    As for the rest of the 5th district’s electorate, consider state house District 63B, which covers the southeast quadrant of the Congressional 5th. This is quite white (74.2%) and thick with trendy bungalows. Neither ghetto nor affluent.

    Frank Pafko, a veteran highway engineer and nephew of MLB All-Star Andy (about as scandal-free as any player can be) ran on the GOP line. He didn’t quite make it to 20%. The DFL endorsement is as rubber-stamp there as the “White Supremacy For the Right” Democratic nod ever was in Alabama.

    This map shows Ilhan’s relative strength in last year’s primary. Hot points are Near North (black), part of “Nordeast”, where artsy types have been supplanting white ethnics over the years, Southeast (the gigantic university), Phillips (mixed poor, with sharing literal Africans with the University area). And Powderhorn and Longfellow, riot central, where white south South Minneapolis gradually bleeds into quintiracial north South Minneapolis.

    Proletarian Fridley and Richfield, tony Edina, “St Jewish Park”, and old swallowed-by-‘burbs villages Hopkins and Osseo were much less impressed.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar


    Whether Ilhan... utilized this on her way up, Kamala-style, is worth looking into.
     
    That was supposed to be "whether Sharon- or Kamala-style". Very different. Aunt Jemima vs Cardi B.

    Actually, Kamala is trying to pass as a Jemima in her later years. Kinda late, though.

  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    (Why white prog-trash in Minneapolis want Omar I cannot figure)
     
    I met Sharon Sayles Belton, the black mayoress of Minneapolis in the Clinton years, on two occasions. She was quite friendly and eager to chat, both times to a nobody, outside her jurisdiction, nowhere near an election. She turned on the charm for me, and no doubt did so for the local powers that be, whom she impressed. She was a lot more moderate than the white men who followed, sort of a center-left colored female version of Ronald Reagan, who nearly took the state in 1984. She was easy to dismiss but hard to hate; it was difficult to oppose her.

    Somali women are taught to be coquettes from girlhood, as Frenchwomen (and Dixie chicks) were until recently. You didn't get anything from them, but they sure could get plenty from you. Whether Ilhan-- Omar isn't a surname-- utilized this on her way up, Kamala-style, is worth looking into.

    She has the Somali bloc sewn up, due more to their inattention than to any political affinity or nationalistic feeling. One is either Somali (Ilhan), anti-Somali (Ayaan), or neutral or ambiguous (Iman, married to some awful white musician and on the cover of this week's People.)

    The male-to-female ratio is as telling in politics as it is in musical competition, with the more difficult. Women are way more visible in country and rap than in orchestral and jazz due to the relative importance and difficulty of the latter. Maybe you've noticed that all the prominent Somalis you can name are women. Somali political knowledge and skill are at the level of "womyn's music".

    As for the rest of the 5th district's electorate, consider state house District 63B, which covers the southeast quadrant of the Congressional 5th. This is quite white (74.2%) and thick with trendy bungalows. Neither ghetto nor affluent.

    Frank Pafko, a veteran highway engineer and nephew of MLB All-Star Andy (about as scandal-free as any player can be) ran on the GOP line. He didn't quite make it to 20%. The DFL endorsement is as rubber-stamp there as the "White Supremacy For the Right" Democratic nod ever was in Alabama.

    This map shows Ilhan's relative strength in last year's primary. Hot points are Near North (black), part of "Nordeast", where artsy types have been supplanting white ethnics over the years, Southeast (the gigantic university), Phillips (mixed poor, with sharing literal Africans with the University area). And Powderhorn and Longfellow, riot central, where white south South Minneapolis gradually bleeds into quintiracial north South Minneapolis.

    Proletarian Fridley and Richfield, tony Edina, "St Jewish Park", and old swallowed-by-'burbs villages Hopkins and Osseo were much less impressed.


    https://img.apmcdn.org/b69759b58e66d9c5d1ba7ddd42706082095a14dd/uncropped/ed7aac-20200812-omar-primary-analysis03.png

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Whether Ilhan… utilized this on her way up, Kamala-style, is worth looking into.

    That was supposed to be “whether Sharon- or Kamala-style”. Very different. Aunt Jemima vs Cardi B.

    Actually, Kamala is trying to pass as a Jemima in her later years. Kinda late, though.

  148. @Redneck farmer
    So Wokeness is largely a money scam?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Sarah Silverman and Seth Rogan made a hyper-woke attack on Christmas because they thought they’d make zillions of dollars? Nah.

    • Agree: ben tillman, LondonBob
  149. Excuse the cliche, but all of this is a win win win for the tribe. Not only does the tribes cultural agenda get advanced there financial program goes forward as well. It goes beyond disproportional employment in higher education the money lender segment of the tribe are getting there cut via the guaranteed student loan program. The guarantee is the key word here. A certainty to the school with virtually no risk to the lender. By law it’s very difficult to discharge student loan debt in bankruptcy and even better the woke are pushing hard to have the debt eliminated. Of course anyone with a brain knows it’s not eliminated but rolled into the greater U.S. debt, essentially socializing it. Either way the financers don’t lose and likely will receive there basis points.

  150. @Alrenous
    Meanwhile, in reality, if Larry Fink dropped dead of a heart attack tomorrow, Woke Capital would stop being Woke, because the corporate welfare stream would be cut off and they would no longer be able to afford it.

    Meanwhile, in reality, if you suggest shutting down the universities, wokists go absolutely apeshit. They know if they didn't have the university pig trough, they would have nothing. How does CRT spread to schools if they can't sic the FBI on parents who complain? (Shades of 1852.) It doesn't.

    The situation is somewhat complicated. In particular, more complicated than can fit into an article of this size. This is part of its security - being too complicated to easily explain. Yes, it looks somewhat decentralized. No, it is not even slightly decentralized. Your attention span will deplete long before I can explain how that works. However, it's all Fed/IRS money in the end. Cut the funding and it dies immediately.

    Still, I can point out that somehow Woke Capital manages to be actively anti-Woke when doing business in China, where the local 800-pound gorilla has different ideas. Capital has no ideas of its own. It just does what it's told.

    I can also point out that if it wasn't Fed/IRS money, they would have run out of money a long time ago.

    Does buying large mansions for riot organizers pay off? It doesn't. You buy the riot, sure, but then the money is gone forever. Anyone funding this nonsense would be eaten by the first competitor to offer a cheaper, higher-quality, riot-free product - that is, unless the revenue stream is immune to competition. Someone has to prop up all these unprofitable Woke businesses, like Twitter; it sure isn't customers, so by process of elimination... If those making the money can't choose to stop giving the money to someone who is going to give it to rioters, then Woke can't go broke.

    Reality: America has a Pope. He's a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don't know his name, because that way you can't demand he resigns. If you don't know what he's saying, then you don't know what your enemies are trying to do to you and it's too difficult to defend yourself. E.g. you think it's decentralized and there's no Pope directing things. You're playing chess except you think the win condition is capturing all the individual pawns. I wonder where you got that idea...?
    Fun fact: the army is fully loyal to this Pope, even though they won't admit he exists. If you found him, went to his door, and went all [fedposting] on him, the army would be first in line to toss you in jail. Haha...oops!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns.”

    Please tell us his name.

    • Replies: @Buroaker
    @Steve Sailer

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/mueller-team-2-2020_10_01-01_52_18-UTC.jpg

    His minions?

    , @Alrenous
    @Steve Sailer

    For contrast, I will supply a sincere question: "How do you know America has a Pope?"

    Come to think, I forgot to say this: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesn't fit cleanly anywhere, but the sentiment is strong.

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    His name is Rachel Maddow.

  151. @Art Deco
    @SimpleSong

    A good aptitude test needs to be very carefully designed, outcomes tracked, etc; most employers don’t have the time or expertise to make something that actually has good predictive value.

    There are these people called 'industrial psychologists'. And you don't have to re-invent the wheel every time. While we're at it, the question at hand is whether or not the aptitude test compares favorably to resumes and higher education screens. Even if it doesn't, the social costs of indiscriminate use of higher education may be so large that it isn't worth the candle.

    Replies: @JMcG, @SimpleSong

    There are these people called ‘industrial psychologists’. And you don’t have to re-invent the wheel every time.

    Right, but that’s my point, most employers would be better off trying to outsource the entire thing to a separate organization staffed with these sorts of people rather than do it themselves. A small or medium sized business is not going to have the resources to do this properly any more than they’re going to be able to code their own relational database or generate their own electricity. And if you’re going to rely on an outside authority to design the test, they might as well have that organization administer the test under controlled conditions as well, and get the added benefit of a layer of plausible deniability about any group discrepancies.

  152. @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

    My top-down mechanism is that around 2013 the re-elected Obama Administration and the New York Times coordinated upon some priorities: e.g., the campus rape crisis panic that targeted fraternities.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    #Metoo wasn't a spontaneous phenomenon. Nor were the BLM/Antifa riots.

    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    Evidence required here rather than supposition.

  153. @Curle
    @SimpleSong

    “ Sure it prevents employers from administering aptitude tests”

    Only in the fact pattern present in Griggs where the court determined the test wasn’t necessary for the low level job involved. Griggs is mainly an excuse for Woke companies to rationalize hiring weak workers and to push training off onto government and parents.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

    I think you’re right that most higher level jobs could get away with legally administering aptitude tests, but it definitely has a chilling effect. A lot of people are skittish about lawsuits and so they just pick the path of least resistance.

  154. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    You are assuming your conclusion - that the mask is worthless. Yes, if that was provably true then madatory masking is just a power grab. BUT, the best that can be said is that there is a difference of opinion - the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    Is "no shirt, no shoes, no service" a mere power grab ? What does wearing a shirt have to do with your fitness to buy an ice cream cone? It has even less rationale than mask wearing but it's widely accepted.

    Replies: @Bill, @SafeNow, @William Badwhite, @jo shmo

    the people making you wear a mask, based upon expert advice, themselves sincerely believe that they are doing this as a reasonable disease prevention measure.

    nah

    they take off the mask as soon as the picture has been taken.

    Plenty of video of mask mandaters going mask free to large indoor parties with tons of folks.

    It is bs

  155. OT:

    You are Officially Not Young if you remember this commercial.

  156. Wokism is not decentralized at the highest level. The tight coordination between all media outlets is evidence of complete top-down instructions. Plus, all US universities are equally woke. There isn’t the variation one would expect among such a large group of islands across so many different geographies.

    The fact that US media memes that have no historical context to Australia or New Zealand nonetheless appear there on the very same day proves this. When New Zealand talks shows spend more time talking about BLM than about anything of local relevance, that is the indicator.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  157. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My top-down mechanism is that around 2013 the re-elected Obama Administration and the New York Times coordinated upon some priorities: e.g., the campus rape crisis panic that targeted fraternities.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

    #Metoo wasn’t a spontaneous phenomenon. Nor were the BLM/Antifa riots.

  158. @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

    Frankfort School
    ADL
    Facebook
    Twitter
    ACLU
    Bill Gates Foundation

    etc, etc.

  159. @Steve Sailer
    @Alrenous

    "America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns."

    Please tell us his name.

    Replies: @Buroaker, @Alrenous, @Anon

    His minions?

  160. A little off topic…
    As an academic, I can vouch about white privilege on campus today:
    All the dumb-ass rich white kids who get to take exams under special test conditions with extended time because some so-called psychologist said they were learning disabled.

    Remarkably, many of the black students, even the struggling ones, refuse to go this route; often
    telling me they have their pride and won’t engage in this charade.
    For this, I will give them their due credit and my respect.

  161. @AnotherDad
    @Johann Ricke


    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren’t blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them.
     
    I don't believe this is quite the case.

    I don't have anything in front of me--and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are "HS grad" and "some college". Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who ... screw up.

    In contrast, the "college grad" and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs--really dumb and/or really poor discipline--and who are so incompetent they can't/don't arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.

    ~~

    But i'm with you on the general question of eugenics.

    There's simply no way you can maintain human genetic capital to have a civilized society, if you don't take measures to replace the "genetic maintenance" that nature used to apply.

    It is straightforward to apply a system of tax deductions--on the high end--and non-fertility quid-pro-quo for welfare--on the low end--to encourage the sort of eugenic fertility necessary.

    It's a shame--and utterly ridiculous--our societies are so doused with minoritarian bafflegab that we can't even have intelligent discussion of genetic matters.

    Replies: @jo shmo, @Johann Ricke

    In fact, any group can improve if the dysfunctional among them do not procreate. That seems the most humane way to close the gap: pay low IQ folks to get sterilized before they procreate.

  162. @AnotherDad
    @Johann Ricke


    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren’t blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them.
     
    I don't believe this is quite the case.

    I don't have anything in front of me--and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are "HS grad" and "some college". Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who ... screw up.

    In contrast, the "college grad" and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs--really dumb and/or really poor discipline--and who are so incompetent they can't/don't arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.

    ~~

    But i'm with you on the general question of eugenics.

    There's simply no way you can maintain human genetic capital to have a civilized society, if you don't take measures to replace the "genetic maintenance" that nature used to apply.

    It is straightforward to apply a system of tax deductions--on the high end--and non-fertility quid-pro-quo for welfare--on the low end--to encourage the sort of eugenic fertility necessary.

    It's a shame--and utterly ridiculous--our societies are so doused with minoritarian bafflegab that we can't even have intelligent discussion of genetic matters.

    Replies: @jo shmo, @Johann Ricke

    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.

    And then you had Steve Job’s birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos’s. I am comparing these people to the welfare leeches who don’t get abortions because they view their infants as the welfare state ATM machines that they are. The whole premise that abortions are sparing us from social disorder is misguided, because only people with any future orientation get abortions. The welfare leeches are baby machines because these bundles of joy are literally where their next paychecks are coming from (in the form of both cash and non-cash state and federal benefits).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    The social conditions that led to Jobs's mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Johann Ricke


    ...because only people with any future orientation get abortions.
     
    Whereas entire societies with any future orientation outlaw them.

    https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/images/abortion/ST%20May23_1961p35_ad%20Sat%20Evening%20Post.jpg

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/ell.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/01/640x809/54a73fe01fccf_-_elle-01-madame-restell-blog.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/71/de/1571dec40cfd9914d4dcc75f49ecc01c.jpg


    https://teara.govt.nz/files/29013-atl.jpg

    , @AnotherDad
    @Johann Ricke



    And then you had Steve Job’s birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos’s.
     
    Basically what Jack said:

    Jobs was a peak Boomer like me. Conceived and born pre-Pill. And even when i was a kid in the 60s, they were still pulling the--small--number of pregnant girls out of the normal HS and sending them to their own "wayward girls" home for their duration. The Pill didn't immediately conquer every female body at puberty.

    So the 50s and on into the 60s you still had a flow of "given up for adoption" kids who while not matching the general population in genes for IQ or certainly "low time preference" were at least something quite a bit closer to the general population distribution.

    But--my point--if you turned off abortion right now, that's not what you would get. Birth control pills are way better and safer than originally, and most high IQ and conscientious women simply do not get pregnant unintentionally. They are not the core "abortion demographic". It's centered more in the sometimes-sloppy-but-enough-of-a-striver-to-not-want-to-become-a-single-mom demographic, plus a large coherent from the shepherded by social services.

    You can simply look at abortions' racial demographic and realize it does not skew toward "Steve Jobs".

    At least, that's what i've read. If someone has links to good data i'm all eyes.


    Bottom line: I don't think you "fix" America's/the West's fertility issue by banning abortion. (You'll just be running toward our future dystopia a bit faster.) It's not a magic bullet.

    No you fix fertility issues, by returning to older ideas that people aren't consumerist atoms floating in the globohomo sea, but rather part of something bigger and outlasting themselves. You fix fertility issues by tossing our minoritarianism and having people proudly consider themselves part of a coherent family, nation, civilization again. (With public policy incentives that acknowledge and encourage that.)
  163. Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement.

    To the contrary, the movement stems from (and depends on) a centralized, organized force that both declares and enforces the governing morality.

    Sure, no one is taking orders, but all woke actions depend on the organized centralized force’s intervention to prevent an immune response and the useful woke idiots’ knowledge that they can commit aggression with impunity within the enforced moral system.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @ben tillman

    Yes, a few individuals are doing a massive amount of damage.

    There's no denying what individuals like George Soros have done. His many cash contributions to get pro-crime DAs elected have wrought havoc in our big cities.

    A cluster of conniving and cowardly university presidents have seriously damaged the intellectual freedoms and integrity of their institutions.

    Rich liberal idiots like Mackenzie Bozos are giving large sums to BLM, Antifa, and other criminal organizations as meekly as if they'd been threatened by the Mafia for a 'contribution--or else.' These criminal organizations are preying on society.

    Our Covid situation wouldn't even exist if one guy, Fauci, had been cashiered a decade ago. He arranged for government financing to help the Wuhan lab work on gain of function in viruses. Fauci's funding has wrought havoc and upended a whole string of countries and economies.

    A small number of people who have money, power, and a total lack of common sense are making a mess of our society.

    It's like the Ray Bradbury short story, in which the characters travel back in time, step on and kill a butterfly, and everything in the future changes. Yes, decisions and behaviors of a small number of people DO matter, and matter big.

  164. @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start “top down”, or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    It all comes from the top.

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the “top-down mechanisms”. I don’t doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes.

    There’s nothing vague or unidentifiable about the cause or the mechanisms. The cause is the Jewish community. The mechanisms are indoctrination, incentivization, and intimidation.

    The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot–“the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!”–is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    Comgratulations on getting it perfectly backward.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    The cause is the Jewish community.
     
    Wow. Joos - is there ANYTHING they can't do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently - is that still too many?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Dmon, @Curle, @Paperback Writer

  165. @ben tillman
    @Anon


    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start “top down”, or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?
     
    It all comes from the top.

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the “top-down mechanisms”. I don’t doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes.
     
    There's nothing vague or unidentifiable about the cause or the mechanisms. The cause is the Jewish community. The mechanisms are indoctrination, incentivization, and intimidation.

    The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot–“the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!”–is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.
     
    Comgratulations on getting it perfectly backward.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The cause is the Jewish community.

    Wow. Joos – is there ANYTHING they can’t do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently – is that still too many?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    Wow. Joos – is there ANYTHING they can’t do?
     
    Of course, you have no substantive response.

    There are plenty of things it (not "they") can't do. But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society's immune system so that millions of woke bozos can exploit, oppress, and ultimately eliminate the white majority.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dmon
    @Jack D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @Curle
    @Jack D

    “ How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades?”

    Why do you assume the leverage point is populations as opposed to something else, say media outlets or finance dependent companies or corporations wanting to go global?

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth.

     

    I don't think Sweden is really woke. It's moderately socially "progressive" in the old-fashioned Bernie Sanders way, and it has all the usual modern social ills like gender dysphoria, but for wokism, the US/UK lead the pack.

    Sweden's also been an outpost of sanity about Covid. They seem to have a good old-fashioned Stoic Scandinavian sense of reality.

    I do agree with you that the resident anti-Semites here are intractable and incapable of perceptive insight, but then, I would.
  166. @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They are not useless. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

    If you have any other Covid-related question, ask the expert ...

    https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/092/154/106/original/4d63b7d91bf75451.jpg

    Replies: @Marquis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    You dorks who got scared out of your mind and we’re so wrong on covid will never let it go. It’s a bad look. It makes otherwise reasonably intelligent people seem like sub-room temperature IQ affirmative action admits at your local community college.

    Any reasonable assessment of masking as an NPI shows the overwhelming weight of evidence is against it being effective.

  167. The Left turned to Wokery because their Communist ideas just aren’t very popular.

    It’s why they rarely talk about class issues, except in the context of race, because everyone in America wants to be wealthy. POCs see wokery as a means to redistribute wealth to people who look like them, that’s all. Wokery is Big Business.

    It’s why the Left now insists that even poor whites have ‘privilege.’ The only way they have any appeal to non-elites while they hold on to their own privilege for dear life is to sell anti-white racism to the POC proles. They themselves know it’s total bullshit, but it’s much easier to sell than class consciousness, since even the soi-disant socialists like AOC and Bernie want to be rich and famous.

    Like Arab shopkeepers and Italian waiters, the elites know flattery costs you nothing, and it works. The constant aggrandizement of POCs, the deviant and disaffected is the flip side of their hatred and fear of the only real threat to their status: normie whites who know what their game is, and don’t recognize their status as anything more than self-regard.

    Trump flipped a switch in these people. They sense the jig is up, and they are frightened, angry, and out for blood. The ‘temporary’ authoritarian measures facilitated by the Covid ’emergency’ will be made permanent, and are only the beginning. They are out for blood. Yours.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “ The Left turned to Wokery because their Communist ideas just aren’t very popular”. The Left turned to Wokery because the Finance industry (Left & Right) defeated the unions and needed to create another foil on the Left for their Hegelian Left/Right distraction machine that would have the salubrious effect of atomizing the population and allowing dominance through divide and conquer.

  168. @Johann Ricke
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.
     

    And then you had Steve Job's birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos's. I am comparing these people to the welfare leeches who don't get abortions because they view their infants as the welfare state ATM machines that they are. The whole premise that abortions are sparing us from social disorder is misguided, because only people with any future orientation get abortions. The welfare leeches are baby machines because these bundles of joy are literally where their next paychecks are coming from (in the form of both cash and non-cash state and federal benefits).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

    The social conditions that led to Jobs’s mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    The social conditions that led to Jobs’s mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.
     
    AnotherDad was referring unplanned pregnancies being mostly prevalent among lumpen trash, which Steve Jobs's parents definitely were not. Today, Jobs's mom would have gotten an abortion. Another way of putting this is - practicing Catholics and Protestants may be smarter than you give them credit for. They certainly have more day-to-day contact with the lower strata of society than you do.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

     

    Different to? You English?
  169. @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

    Anti-semitism in today’s world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    “…usually a symptom”? So that means sometimes it isn’t a symptom. Interesting.

    In any event, my question would be How is it nihilistic to properly identify a problem?

    And who needs a Conspiracy Theory when you have the facts of Cultural History, the patterns of Human Behavior, and the reality of Current Events aligned like a Perfect Storm and staring us all right in the face?

    And when it comes to Supremacy, it doesn’t matter what a person believes. What matters is whether or not they have the power to effectuate their demands, whatever they may be.

    From this perspective it’s obvious that Woke Inc. is run by a unique and hostile elite that is not only demanding to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally, and blindly obeyed, but has the power to effectuate those demands.

    It would take a lot of courage, honesty and intelligence to see, say, and do something about this. More than most of us have. But the last thing such a response would be is nihilistic.

  170. This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    It used to be called “Marxism” and “civil rights.” Then “feminism,” “gay activism,” “Chicano Studies,” “political correctness,” etc.

    • Agree: ben tillman, David In TN
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix

    Right, and this "CRT" thing is the new Afrocentrism. Back in the old days there were continual controversies over the teaching of Afrocentrism in schools, just like there are over CRT today.

    , @West reanimator
    @Nicholas Stix


    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.
     
    I agree and this guy's line of argument strikes me as a cop out coming from an academic, or former academic in this case. IDW types like Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson have put forth similar arguments. We're totally powerless, it's all the students' fault! Right...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @JackOH
    @Nicholas Stix


    What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.
     
    True dat. One class of people has to be artificially lowered by government, another has to be artificially elevated by government, and by some unexplained process, a social justice utopia will be achieved, and there'll be no ill consequences to the process. Yeah, right.

    Maybe someone could explain to me why after a half-century of burning cities, affirmative action, in-your-face Black Supremacism, ditto feminism, White diminution, etc., we still haven't reached that utopia? When will enough be enough?

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  171. @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    The cause is the Jewish community.
     
    Wow. Joos - is there ANYTHING they can't do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently - is that still too many?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Dmon, @Curle, @Paperback Writer

    Wow. Joos – is there ANYTHING they can’t do?

    Of course, you have no substantive response.

    There are plenty of things it (not “they”) can’t do. But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society’s immune system so that millions of woke bozos can exploit, oppress, and ultimately eliminate the white majority.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ben tillman

    Whenever anyone writes "the joos" you know they're full of shit. It's kind of funny, actually. Jewish media dominance exists in Sweden. Influential Jews have been tireless crusaders for opening Scandinavian borders. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @ben tillman


    But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society’s immune system
     
    By replacing Christian prayer in public schools with Darwin? Why do critics of Jewish influence always give them a pass on that? It's more plausible than the assertion that Osama bin Laden was Mossad's marionette. The question is motive.

    Don't tell anyone, but our village's public garden features a crèche every December Advent.
  172. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Elmer T. Jones
    Well, this is a long-winded play on Elmer's Law by swapping "feminization" with "woke". Admittedly they are closely related :

    When an organization becomes woke, focus shifts from the efficient production of goods and services to the creation of rules for the comfort and security of the woke. Ossification and organizational collapse are inevitable.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Wokeness was born of feminism. The entire point of feminism, besides (one of the few things he got right) Rush’s point–that it gave ugly women access to the mainstream–was to neutralize male assertiveness so as to make room for women not only in the workplaces, but eventually in charge of the workplace. It neutered objectivity, in that no one could criticize female candidacy for various jobs, nor their performance once hired, while at the same time, relied upon the inherit white knight culture to bandwagon all men into silence. So while women rose through the ranks, or were given unentitled positions, or academic entrances, they very much counted on a certain majority of men, to protect their status via chivalry.

    Wokeness uses civnats to do the same thing in the larger culture. On immigration and race. SO many white knight civnats rush in to quote “Dr” Martin Luther King, or talk about their really nice Somalian neighbor, etc etc…while the same woke pushers TRASH these civnats publicly. Regardless, they can still count on these civnats to seal off any Overton Windows when it comes to full on ends to illegal (or legal) immigration or affirmative action. If you have ever been in a conference room with a group of white civnats they are indistinguishable on cultural issues in front of those that hate them, than white knights covering for that incompetent female hire in a mixed room of male and female employees.

    “Of course women can lead an airborne unit…”

    “I don’t care if your black, white, brown, green or purple…”

  173. @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    The social conditions that led to Jobs's mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    The social conditions that led to Jobs’s mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    AnotherDad was referring unplanned pregnancies being mostly prevalent among lumpen trash, which Steve Jobs’s parents definitely were not. Today, Jobs’s mom would have gotten an abortion. Another way of putting this is – practicing Catholics and Protestants may be smarter than you give them credit for. They certainly have more day-to-day contact with the lower strata of society than you do.

  174. @Reg Cæsar

    decentralised
     
    Is Eugyppius in, or from, Canada? Or elsewhere?

    Replies: @Soviet of Washington, @ic1000

    Germany. But did some grad work at Yale (IIRC).

  175. @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    Wow. Joos – is there ANYTHING they can’t do?
     
    Of course, you have no substantive response.

    There are plenty of things it (not "they") can't do. But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society's immune system so that millions of woke bozos can exploit, oppress, and ultimately eliminate the white majority.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar

    Whenever anyone writes “the joos” you know they’re full of shit. It’s kind of funny, actually. Jewish media dominance exists in Sweden. Influential Jews have been tireless crusaders for opening Scandinavian borders. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  176. @Getaclue
    @William Badwhite

    Start here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Antifas-Radical-Destroy-Democracy/dp/154605958X

    Replies: @anonymous

    Can you summarize the most interesting parts? I’m also genuinely curious about the claim of central leadership and coordination with elements of US government.

  177. Is the current situation worse than Cornell 1969? Somehow I think it is, but read this.

    https://www.hoover.org/research/day-cornell-died

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Paperback Writer

    Zachary Carter, who was involved with the Cornell takeover, became US Attorney EDNY, and NYC corporation counsel. Thomas Jones went in to John Hancock, TIAA-CREF and Citi. Not sure what happened to the guy with the bandolier, Eric Evans.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Paperback Writer


    Is the current situation worse than Cornell 1969?
     
    And one of those protesters was Franklin Raines who later made $50 million in bonuses by cooking the books at Fannie Mae to the tune of $13 billion.
  178. @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    The social conditions that led to Jobs's mother giving him up for adoption in 1955 are nothing like today. The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    The America of 1955 was as different to America 2021 as America 2021 is different to Saudi Arabia.

    Different to? You English?

  179. @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    The cause is the Jewish community.
     
    Wow. Joos - is there ANYTHING they can't do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently - is that still too many?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Dmon, @Curle, @Paperback Writer

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Dmon

    Don’t forget David Schwarz.

  180. @Steve Sailer
    @Alrenous

    "America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns."

    Please tell us his name.

    Replies: @Buroaker, @Alrenous, @Anon

    For contrast, I will supply a sincere question: “How do you know America has a Pope?”

    Come to think, I forgot to say this: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesn’t fit cleanly anywhere, but the sentiment is strong.

  181. Anon[976] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Wokery is a self-organising decentralised movement.
     
    To the contrary, the movement stems from (and depends on) a centralized, organized force that both declares and enforces the governing morality.

    Sure, no one is taking orders, but all woke actions depend on the organized centralized force's intervention to prevent an immune response and the useful woke idiots' knowledge that they can commit aggression with impunity within the enforced moral system.

    Replies: @Anon

    Yes, a few individuals are doing a massive amount of damage.

    There’s no denying what individuals like George Soros have done. His many cash contributions to get pro-crime DAs elected have wrought havoc in our big cities.

    A cluster of conniving and cowardly university presidents have seriously damaged the intellectual freedoms and integrity of their institutions.

    Rich liberal idiots like Mackenzie Bozos are giving large sums to BLM, Antifa, and other criminal organizations as meekly as if they’d been threatened by the Mafia for a ‘contribution–or else.’ These criminal organizations are preying on society.

    Our Covid situation wouldn’t even exist if one guy, Fauci, had been cashiered a decade ago. He arranged for government financing to help the Wuhan lab work on gain of function in viruses. Fauci’s funding has wrought havoc and upended a whole string of countries and economies.

    A small number of people who have money, power, and a total lack of common sense are making a mess of our society.

    It’s like the Ray Bradbury short story, in which the characters travel back in time, step on and kill a butterfly, and everything in the future changes. Yes, decisions and behaviors of a small number of people DO matter, and matter big.

  182. @Eagle Eye
    @Reg Cæsar


    Klaus Schwab is not making them do this ...
     
    The lady doeth protest too much.

    Expect many more pieces pushing this "amorphous organization" meme about the Woke Wave. It has been said that Satan's greatest trick is to convince men that he does not exist.

    One notes that the same line - "it's just an amorphous organization without any centralized leadership" - was previously trotted out about "Antifa" by numerous "academics," "law enforcement" spokeswomen, "intelligence analysts" etc., as if on cue. Since then, some real observers have looked more closely about the senior leadership of "Antifa." Sure enough, it was found that the organization's actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing. As always, the question is cui bono.

    Wokery as a whole follows the same pattern. Anyone who seriously looks at the outline and in particular at the texture of the large cultural, legislative and administrative changes since the 1920s cannot fail to be impressed by how a small, incestuous coterie of "intellectuals," bureaucrats, money men, quasi-hereditary ruling families, sexual deviants, general psychopaths and opportunists have been working assiduously - often in broad daylight - to build a massive core organization, develop a consolidated strategy supported by a whole assemblage of mind viruses, propaganda techniques, bureaucratic and legal devices, etc., all mutually reinforcing.

    It is quite true that - like multi-level sales organizations - the lower-tier players are keenly aware of their own opportunities to profit, but may have only a vague understanding of what the central leadership wants and does. That does not mean that the central leadership does not have its own role in shaping the structure and trajectory of the organization.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dube, @nosquat loquat

    Sure enough, it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing.

    Follow the pallets of bricks.

  183. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    We might disagree with the decisions they make, but in that case we can always elect somebody else.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

    Sovereign states do have the right to protect people in a state of emergency. Elected leaders are the executives of sovereign states.

    The sovereign finds you unable to perceive the surrounding reality. Remember that one? Further, the sovereign suspends elections during the state of emergency.

  184. @Anon
    @AndrewR

    The question of origins is important. Did any of this start "top down", or is the top just adapting to the bottom, and thus exacerbating everything?

    I would ask you (of anyone) to provide examples of the "top-down mechanisms". I don't doubt that they exist, but we need to avoid the kind of vagueness which seeks to blame everything on unidentifiable causes. The type of paranoid thinking which I see a lot--"the elites [the Jews] are in complete control, everything is helpless!"--is dangerous because it instills the kind of pessimism and hopelessness which will inevitably result in to defeat. Anti-semitism in today's world is usually a symptom of nihilism.

    (don't mean any of this as criticism of your comment, which was a fine contribution)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mike Tre, @ben tillman, @Richard B, @JimDandy

    The “spontaneous” war on statues was clearly orchestrated and done with the cooperation of the MSM.

  185. @Nicholas Stix
    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    It used to be called “Marxism” and “civil rights.” Then “feminism,” “gay activism,” “Chicano Studies,” "political correctness," etc.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @West reanimator, @JackOH

    Right, and this “CRT” thing is the new Afrocentrism. Back in the old days there were continual controversies over the teaching of Afrocentrism in schools, just like there are over CRT today.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix, JackOH
  186. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @JimDandy

    See Joseph Stalin questioning how many divisions does the pope have!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    See Joseph Stalin questioning how many divisions does the [P]ope have!

    One more than the USSR has today.

    • LOL: Hhsiii
  187. @Johann Ricke
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.
     

    And then you had Steve Job's birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos's. I am comparing these people to the welfare leeches who don't get abortions because they view their infants as the welfare state ATM machines that they are. The whole premise that abortions are sparing us from social disorder is misguided, because only people with any future orientation get abortions. The welfare leeches are baby machines because these bundles of joy are literally where their next paychecks are coming from (in the form of both cash and non-cash state and federal benefits).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

    …because only people with any future orientation get abortions.

    Whereas entire societies with any future orientation outlaw them.


    [MORE]

  188. @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    Wow. Joos – is there ANYTHING they can’t do?
     
    Of course, you have no substantive response.

    There are plenty of things it (not "they") can't do. But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society's immune system so that millions of woke bozos can exploit, oppress, and ultimately eliminate the white majority.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Reg Cæsar

    But the Jewish community can and did suppress this society’s immune system

    By replacing Christian prayer in public schools with Darwin? Why do critics of Jewish influence always give them a pass on that? It’s more plausible than the assertion that Osama bin Laden was Mossad’s marionette. The question is motive.

    Don’t tell anyone, but our village’s public garden features a crèche every December Advent.

  189. Wokery is, very simply, Gramscian revolutionary boilerplate. It is the intellectual deconstruction of real and existing power structures, natural laws, and historical facts—in which respect, if you learn to view it as a photographic negative, everything it says is perfectly sound. Wokery pays the same sort of hypocritical respect to reality that the devil pays to God.

    But wokery only “works” by smuggling in the tacit assumption that any identifiable power is ipso facto illegitimate. Without this assumption it would simply be humility, i.e. the recognition and acknowledgement of the real. How does it do this? It does it by tapping into pride, vanity, and ambition. The power of reality is necessarily opposed to the baseless claims of the prideful. With very little prompting they can be made to feel that that which stands opposed to them is wrong.

    To be continued…

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  190. @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    The cause is the Jewish community.
     
    Wow. Joos - is there ANYTHING they can't do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently - is that still too many?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Dmon, @Curle, @Paperback Writer

    “ How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades?”

    Why do you assume the leverage point is populations as opposed to something else, say media outlets or finance dependent companies or corporations wanting to go global?

  191. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The Left turned to Wokery because their Communist ideas just aren't very popular.

    It's why they rarely talk about class issues, except in the context of race, because everyone in America wants to be wealthy. POCs see wokery as a means to redistribute wealth to people who look like them, that's all. Wokery is Big Business.

    It's why the Left now insists that even poor whites have 'privilege.' The only way they have any appeal to non-elites while they hold on to their own privilege for dear life is to sell anti-white racism to the POC proles. They themselves know it's total bullshit, but it's much easier to sell than class consciousness, since even the soi-disant socialists like AOC and Bernie want to be rich and famous.

    Like Arab shopkeepers and Italian waiters, the elites know flattery costs you nothing, and it works. The constant aggrandizement of POCs, the deviant and disaffected is the flip side of their hatred and fear of the only real threat to their status: normie whites who know what their game is, and don't recognize their status as anything more than self-regard.

    Trump flipped a switch in these people. They sense the jig is up, and they are frightened, angry, and out for blood. The 'temporary' authoritarian measures facilitated by the Covid 'emergency' will be made permanent, and are only the beginning. They are out for blood. Yours.

    Replies: @Curle

    “ The Left turned to Wokery because their Communist ideas just aren’t very popular”. The Left turned to Wokery because the Finance industry (Left & Right) defeated the unions and needed to create another foil on the Left for their Hegelian Left/Right distraction machine that would have the salubrious effect of atomizing the population and allowing dominance through divide and conquer.

  192. @Reg Cæsar

    decentralised
     
    Is Eugyppius in, or from, Canada? Or elsewhere?

    Replies: @Soviet of Washington, @ic1000

    > Is Eugyppius in, or from, Canada? Or elsewhere?

    Judging from other non-paywalled posts, he is a recently-retired German academic.

  193. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    but any idiot can

    A phrase favored by those with oodles of unearned self-confidence.

    Replies: @ic1000

    AnotherDad wrote:

    > Lawyers deciding really important stuff–like lawyering–can require an IQ test, but [sarc] any idiot [/sarc] can operate the controls of a power plant.

    I added the tag for clarity.

  194. @Bardon Kaldian
    He had me until he started mouthing anti-Covid rubbish. The, I suddenly lost interest ...

    Replies: @AV Club Sandwich, @Dumbo

    I can’t imagine why anyone would be anti-COVID. Me, I’m a COVID aficionado. Every new strain, I must collect them all.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @AV Club Sandwich

    Covid is a serious issue most critics are simply too stupid to discuss it. So, just a few thoughts...

    1. I've got it twice, the period between two infections being 12 months. Both times I was very, although not extremely, tired for months, and was cured with Pfizer shots. Otherwise, for 5 to 7 months after I was over with the illness, I couldn't get rid of the fatigue which forced me to lay helplessly in bed virtually every day in a week for 2-3 hours. Pfizer shots cured me.

    2. I know, personally, perhaps 6 and more people with dreadful long-term effects: one man, age 35 has become a complete invalid & cannot walk, he's confined to a wheelchair; one women, age 28, has developed serious muscles & lung complications due to a strong cough which lasted 50 days; one guy, 19 years old basketball player is having a brain fog so strong he can compose sentences with extreme difficulty, has trouble with physical coordination & has fallen a few times, just like that, suffering minor injuries. Not to speak of truly horrible fatigue- mine was not such a big deal, tinnitus, chest & ankle pains etc.

    3. Covid-deniers are looneys who may be divided in three categories:

    a) conspiracy- theorists (Rothschild, masons, NWO,..). Waste of time to argue with them.

    b) lazy people who would just like to live as before. They don't have a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory, but are, psychologically, mentally-imaginatively lazy & limited. In their view, this all is an unnecessary fuss. They cannot comprehend anything unless they see it with their own eyes- and not even then.

    c) health freaks adoring everything "natural", basically New Agers with roots in Rousseau & alternative life-styles, "spiritual" obscurants

    4. what is evident from analyzing Covid crisis:

    a) virology, immunology, epidemiology....are not too exact sciences. They are sciences, but with a limited predictive power. For instance- there is a slight correlation with the climate & humidity; then, the virus may mutate to ever more aggressive forms, and not, as expected, to lose its killing & debilitating power. It depends. We don't know.

    b) vaccination is the best thing ever & it offers ca. 80% of health protection. But, it is not 100% Covid infection-proof. As cases of Portugal, Ireland and Israel show, one should follow the rules of distancing, hygiene & masking. They work. East Asia has shown that they work. In countries with 5 to 9 million people, highly vaccinated (well over 85%), there are 2-5 deaths daily; in less vaccinated, Slovakia, Serbia, ..40% to 70%, there are 20 to 100 deaths daily.

    c) anti-vaxxers live lives of paranoid fantasy. Putting aside various conspiracies- why don't they develop the attitude: I'm gonna get vaxxed & get better not just as a shield from Covid; I'm gonna become a superior mutant better equipped for life. Vaccines are not just good; they're great stuff which will alter boring old myself to something wonderfully new.

    I'd get vaxxed every 1 or two months, just for fun & to see what's gonna be.

  195. Funny, I read that post by Eugyppius and I thought immediately of Steve Sailer. It felt like the same wishy-washy avoidance of real discussion.

    Eugyppius is good on COVID, and Sailer can be good on immigration, but both appear to miss the forest for the trees. They seem incapable of connecting dots, and even seem to somehow protect the status quo and the powerful people behind it.

    Sailer joked about “The Not-So-Great Reset” months ago. Yet, now, yearly vaccines are being made mandatory in many countries, and everyone must have a “vaxx passport”. How come?

    Wokeness would be just a joke if it was just a personal belief, but it’s being mandated by big corporations and governments, so you can’t escape it. And you say there’s no conspiracy?

    Look, maybe there is no conspiracy, and no one at the top controlling things, but it’s funny how things go in one direction, and aways just in one direction.

    We moved imperceptibly from “let’s take a vaccine to achieve herd immunity end the pandemic” to “mandatory jabs every three months and health passes forever”.

    We advanced from a world where racism and segregation were wrong, to a world where blacks can steal up to 900 dollars in merchandise with impunity, but if you say “It’s OK to be white”, you are “racist”.

    Unless you confront things directly, and the people behind it, this won’t end.

  196. @Bardon Kaldian
    He had me until he started mouthing anti-Covid rubbish. The, I suddenly lost interest ...

    Replies: @AV Club Sandwich, @Dumbo

    anti-Covid rubbish.

    LOL. Wait, aren’t you the fellow with such bad health immunity that managed to get COVID twice? But I didn’t realize that it was because you actually enjoyed having Covid…

    Still, you seem to have survived both times.

    So is it worth it to transform the world into a huge prison for such a non-issue?

    I mean, vaccines every six months and health passes forever, for this? Really?

    Some people are just suckers for any type of totalitarian system, I guess.

    • Agree: Forbes
  197. @Nicholas Stix
    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    It used to be called “Marxism” and “civil rights.” Then “feminism,” “gay activism,” “Chicano Studies,” "political correctness," etc.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @West reanimator, @JackOH

    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    I agree and this guy’s line of argument strikes me as a cop out coming from an academic, or former academic in this case. IDW types like Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson have put forth similar arguments. We’re totally powerless, it’s all the students’ fault! Right…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @West reanimator


    I agree and this guy’s line of argument strikes me as a cop out coming from an academic, or former academic in this case. IDW types like Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson have put forth similar arguments. We’re totally powerless, it’s all the students’ fault! Right…
     
    Summary of what follows: past writings show that we are in a major reorganization of our society. Our reorganization may succeed, but the two described below failed. Parts of the civilization were re-used, but the civilization itself died. My message here is: "This is serious -- stop playing around." There are examples of societies that have re-made themselves, and become world wide influences -- Europe in the 1600s, Japan in the 1800s, Germans in the 1900s. I don't give them here because this is long enough already. If you want the other examples, ask for them in a reply.

    Further examples from history, including the fall the Assyrian Empire and the USSR would show at least two ways that a seemingly invulnerable society can fail. In these two examples, taking on too many enemies and being unable to support your own civil population are at least sometimes the critical factors in civilizational failure. The US seems to be combining the Assyrian model and the USSR model.

    The Assyrian model (over-reliance on military force and swamping native population putting almost everybody into the Army while replacing productive laborers by slaves. Eventually the native Assyrians became so few in number that they could not maintain the Empire, and after the natives were killed off in various military engagements, Assyria found itself with a population of non-Assyrian former slaves. This precluded any revival of the Assyrians.

    The USSR model consists of bringing all industry under government control. The resulting system loses productivity as capital is miss-allocated (for several reasons), and eventually cannot support the government's population. The "supply chain" problems we now have are a consequence of a realization that the US welfare population could not produce the goods needed to feed & house it, that the blue collar workers 0f the time (1960s -1970s) would switch parties if forced to make these extra goods, and that the Chinese could be induced to make these goods while the Europeans could be induced to pay for the extra goods by monetary manipulation. The USSR model failed when the Europeans stopped USSSR IOUs and stopped delivering power. The US model seems likely to fail in a similar way.

    It helps to know how the game played out the last few times anybody tried it. Usually the disintegration of dialog leaves "argumentum ad baculum", or appeal to force (literally, "argument the relies upon a cudgel", this point is from Hobbes}. Here is one example. See if it doesn't sound about like today.

    Once upon a time, about 400 BC, the Classical Greek society destroyed itself during a 30 year or so war off attrition.
    Athens was a Classical Greek democracy, which elected its leader during meetings of all male citizens (who were considered because they were essential as rowers to the Athenian Navy).
    Sparta has no analogous state in recent history. Closest you could come would be Idi Amin's government in Uganda; the Spartan state existed solely to retain control of its Helot slaves.
    Sparta's alliance won the war, but the Spartans proved unable to run the resulting Empire. As for the Romans after them (and, I think, the USA, see Kaiser's So Damn Much Money), once it became possible to steal enough as governor to bribe their way out of punishment once they returned home, they were consumed by their own internal conflicts. All of Greece fell into a demographic collapse, and was eclipsed by Alexander the Great's empire.
    From the Greek's point of view, the above was an unmitigated disaster.
    Here are some quotes from Thucydides, who seems to generally agree with Steve Sailor:

    “Love of power, operating through greed and through personal ambition, was the cause of all these evils. To this must be added the violent fanaticism which came into play once the struggle had broken out. Leaders of parties in the cities had programmes which appeared admirable – on one side political equality for the masses, on the other the safe and sound government of the aristocracy – but in professing to serve the public interest they were seeking to win the prizes for themselves. In their struggles for ascendancy nothing was barred; terrible indeed were the actions to which they committed themselves, and in taking revenge they went farther still. Here they were deterred neither by the claims of justice nor by the interests of the state; their one standard was the pleasure of their own party at that particular moment, and so, either by means of condemning their enemies on an illegal vote or by violently usurping power over them, they were always ready to satisfy the hatreds of the hour. Thus neither side had any use for conscientious motives; more interest was shown in those who could produce attractive arguments to justify some disgraceful action. As for the citizens who held moderate views, they were destroyed by both the extreme parties, either for not taking part in the struggle or in envy at the possibility that they might survive.”
     
    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    If you have the power to put a stop to subjugation, yet look the other way while it happens, then you have done it yourselves,”
    ― Thucydides, On Justice, Power, and Human Nature: Selections from The History of the Peloponnesian War

    “Some legislators only wish to vengeance against a particular enemy. Others only look out for themselves. They devote very little time on the consideration of any public issue. They think that no harm will come from their neglect. They act as if it is always the business of somebody else to look after this or that. When this selfish notion is entertained by all, the commonwealth slowly begins to decay. ”
     
    ― Thucydides

    “Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal supporter; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question incapacity to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness; cautious plotting a justifiable means of self-defense. [5] The advocate of extreme measures was always trustworthy; his opponent a man to be suspected. To succeed in a plot was to have a shrewd head, to divine a plot a still shrewder; but to try to provide against having to do either was to break up your party and to be afraid of your adversaries. In short, to forestall an intending criminal, or to suggest the idea of a crime where it was lacking was equally commended, [6] until even blood became a weaker tie than party, from the superior readiness of those united by the latter to dare everything without reserve; for such associations sought not the blessings derivable from established institutions but were formed by ambition to overthrow them; and the confidence of their member
     
    s in each other rested less on any religious sanction than upon complicity in crime.”
    ― Thucydides, The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War,


    “If it had not been for the pernicious power of envy, men would not so have exalted vengeance above innocence and profit above justice... in these acts of revenge on others, men take it upon themselves to begin the process of repealing those general laws of humanity which are there to give a hope of salvation to all who are in distress.”
    ― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

    “And do not imagine that what we are fighting for is simply the question of freedom or slavery: there is also involved the loss of our empire and the dangers arising from the hatred which we have incurred in administering it. Nor is it any longer possible for you to give up this empire, though there may be some people who in a mood of sudden panic and in a spirit of political apathy actually think that this would be a fine and noble thing to do. Your empire is now like a tyranny: it may have been wrong to take it; it is certainly dangerous to let it go.”
     
    ― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War


    Here's an unsourced quote attributed to Thucydides:

    “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
     

    “You have become regular speech-goers, and as for action, you merely listen to accounts of it; if something is to be done in the future you estimate the possibilities by hearing a good speech on the subject, and as for the past you rely not so much on the facts which you have seen with your own eyes as on what you have heard about them in some clever piece of verbal criticism. Any novelty in an argument deceives you at once, but when the argument is tried and proved you become unwilling to follow it; you look with suspicion on what is normal and are the slaves of every paradox that comes your way. The chief wish of each one of you is to be able to make a speech himself, and, if you cannot do that, the next best thing is to compete with those who can make this sort of speech by not looking as though you were at all out of your depth while you listen to the views put forward, by applauding a good point even before it is made, and by being as quick at seeing how an argument is going to be developed as you are slow at understanding what in the end it will lead to. What you are looking for all the time is something that is, I should say, outside the range of ordinary experience, and yet you cannot even think straight about the facts of life that are before you. You are simply victims of your own pleasure in listening, and are more like an audience sitting at the feet of a professional lecturer than a parliament discussing matters of state.”
     
    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    And here's Mr. T's description of the outcome, once war was declared:

    “War is a violent teacher,”
     
    ― Thucydides, On Justice, Power, and Human Nature: Selections from The History of the Peloponnesian War

    “it is a general rule of human nature that people despise those who treat them well and look up to those who make no concessions.”
     
    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    “In times of peace and prosperity cities and individuals alike follow higher standards, because they are not forced into a situation where they have to do what they do not want to do. But war is a stern teacher; in depriving them of the power of easily satisfying their daily wants, it brings most people’s minds down to the level of their actual circumstances.”
     
    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    I'll add that by the end of the war, the citizen population of Athens was
    (a) about half the size as before the Peloponnesian War
    (b) of different composition, since Athens had several times offered citizenship and freedom to slaves who would volunteer to crew ships. This was usually after yet another disaster that had killed most of their existing rowers.

    When the war was over, the Greeks regarded the war as an unmitigated disaster. Greece never did recover, and the Greek successors to Alexander's empire grossly outnumbered the resource available to any individual Greek polis. Leagues of poleis, were tried, but lacked unity of command.
    Today's situation"

    Cause: Nobody likes the Capitalism that Weber attributed to Protestants and to Protestants only. The Western population doesn't like the emphasis on "merit", which turns out to be largely heritable, and the non-Western societies don't like it because (a) it is not theirs and they find it an un-natural society that defies their common sense and (b) Western society conquered or simply destroyed the society that the non-Western populations had made for themselves. Turns out that industrial society needs a very particular and difficult sort of social organization. See Hicks for the required organization A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World, and note Dutton's remarks in The Genius Famine to the effect that Industrial civilization cannot be retained indefinitely after the Industrial Revolution starts churning out goods, as the required organization is high K, and the Industrial Revolution society is high R. Average IQ has dropped by about 15 points since 1870, rate of fundamental innovation has dropped with it, and it is not clear that the West has the sheer technical ability to switch energy sources as the current sources become unusable. In fact, the current Green Energy sources take more energy to make (full cycle accounting including mining and scrapping) than they gather during their lifetimes. Example: The West is now dependent on the People's Republic of China for its R&D into the most likely successor power source: the liquid medium Thorium reactor.

    Try Hicks, Understanding Postmodernism to see how the Western philosophical tradition has been politically transformed into what amounts to Sophism.
    The trouble with philosophy (perhaps with all human thought) is that it can be accepted while being utterly unconnected with reality. Example "Two plus two is not four! It is oppression!"

    And, just for fun, take a look at Aristophanes' "The Clouds" ( https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2562 ) to see what any graduate program in any Western university is like even today. Note that the main character is the non-academic and incipient bankrupt Strepsiades, "Twister", who wants to use the "new knowledge" to prove his worse case better than that of his debtor.

    Sources:
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7142
    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/957.Thucydides?page=2
  198. Also too, diversity is increasingly managed

    This essay brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Departments.

  199. @JackOH
    I read "abandoned my professorial career" and was hooked. Although not a prof, I'm a close observer of my local Podunk Tech, and I've known a few profs who've been forced from or nearly forced from their academic careers.

    I only scanned eugyppius's article and liked it. I'd suggest surrender, collaboration, and mimesis as the watchwords of Woke-ism.

    Surrender to what? Collaboration with what? Mimesis of what?

    Well, the 1960s, loosely speaking. Black rioting in an uneasy combo with feminists, gays, and a few other movements (e. g., American Indians) frightened a profoundly lazy Establishment into, for want of a better term, caving with legislation and SCOTUS decisions that turned Dujuan, Suzie Sidesaddle, Lance, and Tom Horsefeathers into members of a "protected category".

    You're not in a "protected category". I'm not in a "protected category". If you are in a "protected category", you may enjoy claims to jobs and moneys just by having a breath in your lungs, and the option of using a "victim card" that is in practice unassailable.

    Woke-ism is just an alternate term for collaboration, and I mean collaboration in the sense used by loyalist citizens in the countries occupied in WWII.

    The author is mistaken a bit. Woke-ism is organized---by our government. The collaborators play ball, though, each in his own way.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I think it would be a blast if the GOP Presidential Primaries included at least two candidates whose platform included, front and center, the addition of Straight White Men to the Feds “Protected class” status.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Bill Jones

    Bill, that would be a hoot, but one down side is the other GOP candidates and Democrat primary contenders could respond with something like, "straight White male privilege denialism", thus ending the "debate", probably for bloody fucking eternity (LOL).

  200. @Johann Ricke
    @AnotherDad


    I don’t have anything in front of me–and am not going to check. But believe, i read that the highest abortion education categories are “HS grad” and “some college”. Abortion is heavily used by the middle of the pack strivers who … screw up.

    In contrast, the “college grad” and on up categories the women simply do not get unintentionally pregnant. While there are the oddball failures, for women who take it seriously, modern birth control is extremely effective.

    And at the other end, there are the HS drop outs–really dumb and/or really poor discipline–and who are so incompetent they can’t/don’t arrange abortion on their own and get them only if herded by social service helpers.
     

    And then you had Steve Job's birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos's. I am comparing these people to the welfare leeches who don't get abortions because they view their infants as the welfare state ATM machines that they are. The whole premise that abortions are sparing us from social disorder is misguided, because only people with any future orientation get abortions. The welfare leeches are baby machines because these bundles of joy are literally where their next paychecks are coming from (in the form of both cash and non-cash state and federal benefits).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad

    And then you had Steve Job’s birth parents. As well as Jeff Bezos’s.

    Basically what Jack said:

    Jobs was a peak Boomer like me. Conceived and born pre-Pill. And even when i was a kid in the 60s, they were still pulling the–small–number of pregnant girls out of the normal HS and sending them to their own “wayward girls” home for their duration. The Pill didn’t immediately conquer every female body at puberty.

    So the 50s and on into the 60s you still had a flow of “given up for adoption” kids who while not matching the general population in genes for IQ or certainly “low time preference” were at least something quite a bit closer to the general population distribution.

    But–my point–if you turned off abortion right now, that’s not what you would get. Birth control pills are way better and safer than originally, and most high IQ and conscientious women simply do not get pregnant unintentionally. They are not the core “abortion demographic”. It’s centered more in the sometimes-sloppy-but-enough-of-a-striver-to-not-want-to-become-a-single-mom demographic, plus a large coherent from the shepherded by social services.

    You can simply look at abortions’ racial demographic and realize it does not skew toward “Steve Jobs”.

    At least, that’s what i’ve read. If someone has links to good data i’m all eyes.

    Bottom line: I don’t think you “fix” America’s/the West’s fertility issue by banning abortion. (You’ll just be running toward our future dystopia a bit faster.) It’s not a magic bullet.

    No you fix fertility issues, by returning to older ideas that people aren’t consumerist atoms floating in the globohomo sea, but rather part of something bigger and outlasting themselves. You fix fertility issues by tossing our minoritarianism and having people proudly consider themselves part of a coherent family, nation, civilization again. (With public policy incentives that acknowledge and encourage that.)

  201. @Kratoklastes
    @Jonathan Mason

    The reason that the political class is able to 'err on the side of additional precautions' - without bothering to establish whether the 'precautions' can be expected to work - is because they do not bear the cost of error[1].

    It's really as simple as that.

    The actual tangible, personal consequences of bad decisions have been virtually eliminated, since the rise of the Party Jobber in Western 'representative' systems of government.

    A manifestly incompetent boob might lose a Cabinet position - if they can't find a way to duck-shove a policy-failure onto someone else. If they've shown sufficient loyalty to the Party to get to Cabinet level, they are not going to lose their seat unless the entire Party is swept from power.

    I've long said that all Party-Jobbers should have to nominate a member of their next-of-kin as a hostage who would be executed if the Party-Jobber implements (or advocates for) a policy that is subsequently shown to have no empirical basis. In situations where the policy 'failure' results in the deaths of commoners, the Jobber's entire family should be executed (leave the Jobber alive, in the hope that they experience the full measure of grief for the rest of their lives).

    That would focus their minds. If 'W', Cheney, and the neocons all knew that they were putting their entire families on the line, maybe they wouldn't have unleashed the Death Machine. If Ferguson knew that his family would face lethal consequences from his 2-decade string of Chicken Little 'forecasts', maybe he would have approached his task with the circumspection it requires.

    OK, maybe not Cheney.


    [1] In all of the foregoing, the assumption is that the publicly-stated objective of the policy, is the actual objective. That's actually monumentally unlikely: policy is framed with some specific set of undisclosed beneficiaries in mind. That set of beneficiaries is not generally known to the public (and is certainly not the public at large).

    In reality, there are no 'failed' policies, as Robert Higgs famously wrote ~25 years ago in The Myth of "Failed" Policies.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    In all of the foregoing, the assumption is that the publicly-stated objective of the policy, is the actual objective. That’s actually monumentally unlikely: policy is framed with some specific set of undisclosed beneficiaries in mind. That set of beneficiaries is not generally known to the public (and is certainly not the public at large).

    Goes without saying, but there is a general tendency in the media these days to assume that politicians don’t mean what they say, and to immediately offer an alternative interpretation, which is also often wrong.

    It’s usually seems to take at least 50 years for historians to figure out what was really going on at the time.

    Right now George W Bush and Donald Trump are looking like Nero and Caligula in the pantheon of presidents, but who knows what the considered opinion will be in 2100?

    All of us have a tendency to think that our perspective on life and experience of life gives us some insight into truth and reality, but obviously some of us are wrong.

  202. Machiavelli explained the principle of wokeism in 1513, “One of the great secrets of the day is to know how to take possession of popular prejudices and passions, in such a way as to introduce a confusion of principles which makes impossible all understanding between those who speak the same language and have the same interests.” In this way the phenomenon is yet another controlled opposition movement directed by and for the powers it claims to oppose.

    Special interests know that by making the moral purity tests of cancel culture appear legitimate, they can employ them to silence those who might attack and expose the structures of corporate power and imperial crimes. The bullying used by social media platforms, which are integrated into state security and surveillance organs, is used to silence dissidents and independent journalism. Campaigns of moral absolutism widen the gap between the liberal elites and the white working class, because such division is crucial to maintaining the power of the elites by deflecting attention from their far more egregious, institutionalized abuses of power. Boutique activism converts ordinary people into partners in advancing those interests, in a dangerous new form of psychologically manipulative narrative control.

    This is an interesting article, written by an actual black Leftist, “Woke Capitalism The Poison Pill of Liberal Anti-Racism” at https://www.blackagendareport.com/woke-capitalism-poison-pill-liberal-anti-racism

  203. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Johann Ricke


    Too complicated, overly intellectualized and a comforting rationalization.
     
    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?

    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there’s a moral victory to be had. Your reasoning is similar to that of the intrepid explorer* sitting in a cooking pot who thinks re the cannibals who put him in his predicament “at least deep down, they know they are savages compared to moi – bon vivant, Renaissance Man and a product of the Enlightenment”. Whereas the actual thought bubbles wafting up from the assembly of cannibals waiting for dinner to cook is probably closer to “I wonder if pink complexioned long pig tastes better than the local variant.”

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rockefeller

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Johann Ricke


    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there’s a moral victory to be had.
     
    LOL. It appears you completely misunderstood my comment, or confused it with Laxa’s. Rephrased, I told Tritelia Laxa that contra her delusion that “intellectually and psychologically developed” people (presumably like herself, a self-identified professional therapist) can talk/hypnotize the woke into reason, the problem is intractable, due to the inherent egoist pique afflicting the woke, and will likely lead to greater (mutual) violence. My last line is literally this:

    Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.
     
    You write:

    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there’s a moral victory to be had.
     
    Where’s my reference to “moral victory”? My comment was clearly about physical outcomes. It’s all-around Who/Whom, with the woke as (current) aggressors. If you’re interested, from August here’s an extensive discussion between me and Laxa on this very subject:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blackrock-is-looking-for-the-black-elizabeth-holmes/#comment-4820393 (#42, etc.)

    The crux of the matter:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blackrock-is-looking-for-the-black-elizabeth-holmes/#comment-4821554 (#90)
  204. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Thanks: you and Rob McX.

    It's the humiliation, per that quote from Mr. Dalrymple(?) I don't want to be made to participate in the stupidity. It can get not only seriously stupid, but the masking introduces real communication problems. I am told in my field that communication is very important. Well, when I can't understand black women with the cloth face diapers on (they usually take it off their mouths after I ask them to repeat themselves the 3rd time), which is it, safety or compliance with the stupidity? From what I see it must be the latter.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    which is it, safety or compliance with the stupidity? From what I see it must be the latter.

    Neither.
    No degree of safety is worth their depriving you of their opinions,

  205. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    A lot of people think everything is a top-down conspiracy run by a few. They love the phrase "follow the money".

    They're missing a bigger truth. There are literally millions of people eager to be Leftist activists. These people want to have a voice, i.e. exercise power. The fact that most of you don't get off on bossing others around makes you blind of this motivation. Most of you just like discussing ideas for the fun of it.

    We're a social and political animal. This power motivation and the resulting ever-changing social dynamic has been a part of human life since before we were Homo sapiens.

    Heck, chimps and dogs seek to control each other. Are they getting checks from Soros?

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    Speaking of animals, what ever happened to the animal rights activists?

    All they need is a few billionaires in their corner, and university students will be baying like hyenas.

  206. @AV Club Sandwich
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I can't imagine why anyone would be anti-COVID. Me, I'm a COVID aficionado. Every new strain, I must collect them all.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Covid is a serious issue most critics are simply too stupid to discuss it. So, just a few thoughts…

    1. I’ve got it twice, the period between two infections being 12 months. Both times I was very, although not extremely, tired for months, and was cured with Pfizer shots. Otherwise, for 5 to 7 months after I was over with the illness, I couldn’t get rid of the fatigue which forced me to lay helplessly in bed virtually every day in a week for 2-3 hours. Pfizer shots cured me.

    2. I know, personally, perhaps 6 and more people with dreadful long-term effects: one man, age 35 has become a complete invalid & cannot walk, he’s confined to a wheelchair; one women, age 28, has developed serious muscles & lung complications due to a strong cough which lasted 50 days; one guy, 19 years old basketball player is having a brain fog so strong he can compose sentences with extreme difficulty, has trouble with physical coordination & has fallen a few times, just like that, suffering minor injuries. Not to speak of truly horrible fatigue- mine was not such a big deal, tinnitus, chest & ankle pains etc.

    3. Covid-deniers are looneys who may be divided in three categories:

    a) conspiracy- theorists (Rothschild, masons, NWO,..). Waste of time to argue with them.

    b) lazy people who would just like to live as before. They don’t have a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory, but are, psychologically, mentally-imaginatively lazy & limited. In their view, this all is an unnecessary fuss. They cannot comprehend anything unless they see it with their own eyes- and not even then.

    c) health freaks adoring everything “natural”, basically New Agers with roots in Rousseau & alternative life-styles, “spiritual” obscurants

    4. what is evident from analyzing Covid crisis:

    a) virology, immunology, epidemiology….are not too exact sciences. They are sciences, but with a limited predictive power. For instance- there is a slight correlation with the climate & humidity; then, the virus may mutate to ever more aggressive forms, and not, as expected, to lose its killing & debilitating power. It depends. We don’t know.

    b) vaccination is the best thing ever & it offers ca. 80% of health protection. But, it is not 100% Covid infection-proof. As cases of Portugal, Ireland and Israel show, one should follow the rules of distancing, hygiene & masking. They work. East Asia has shown that they work. In countries with 5 to 9 million people, highly vaccinated (well over 85%), there are 2-5 deaths daily; in less vaccinated, Slovakia, Serbia, ..40% to 70%, there are 20 to 100 deaths daily.

    c) anti-vaxxers live lives of paranoid fantasy. Putting aside various conspiracies- why don’t they develop the attitude: I’m gonna get vaxxed & get better not just as a shield from Covid; I’m gonna become a superior mutant better equipped for life. Vaccines are not just good; they’re great stuff which will alter boring old myself to something wonderfully new.

    I’d get vaxxed every 1 or two months, just for fun & to see what’s gonna be.

    • Troll: GazaPlanet
  207. @Achmed E. Newman
    I tend to believe for a lot of the big ills that there is no organised plan, so no argument there. People just make the same stupid moves to fit in with the existing stupidity and to wield power, as this post describes very well.

    I highlighted the spelling above to note that the non-American Mr. Eugyppius perhaps is too ignorant of, but more likely, too cowardly, to mention the racial aspect of wokeness:


    For non-White students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, as an opportunity for social networking, and as a locus for the periodic ritual entertainment of false moral outrages and protests.
     
    FIFH. Wokeness is inherently anti-White-male. Why didn't this guy state that? Without the White bogeyman, Wokeness would be nothing.

    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian M., @Clyde

    But Wokeness has attractions for white students as well, for much the same reasons given, so it’s not clear why he should have specified ‘non-white students’ in the passage you highlighted. Mr. Eugyppius may or may not be a coward – I’d never heard of him before reading this post – but it never would have occurred to me to think that he may be one based on that passage.

    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.

    It’s true that Wokeness is only explicitly against the cultural traditions of white society. But the cultural traditions of favored minorities will not fare any better in the long run. The collective identity permitted to favored minorities is only a tool to further the ultimate goal of radical individual autonomy by destroying any collective identity that the dominant majority and culture might have. Consider: what is the justification given for the existence of a collective identity on the part of some ‘victim’ minority? The justification is not fundamentally so that its members can preserve their own culture and honor their ancestors; rather, the justification is their very status as members of an ‘oppressed’ class: their collective identity is needed to challenge and subvert the white racism of the oppressor class, because this white racism is an obstacle to the freedom and equality of minorities. In fact, the very existence of such oppressed classes is often regarded as having been entirely socially constructed for the purposes of exploitation by the white oppressor class. The rationale given for the legitimacy of collective identities for favored minorities is almost entirely a negative one.

    Wokeness pays lip service to the preservation of minority cultures, all while destroying them with its universal acid.

  208. There’s no conspiracy, but somehow what is tried first in one country is then tried in another country, then in another, and finally in all Western countries, in unisson. From mass immigration to gay marriage to Covid “vaccine passports”?

    How do you explain that? I see only two options, one is materialistic, the other metaphysical. The materialistic hypothesis is that there are some people calling the shots and with the money and influence to make that happen. They may not “control it all”, but they have a huge margin of influence, much more than you and I, at least. Soros and Gates can influence because they have money an power. You and I can, at most, write a blog or comments at a blog.

    The other explanation is that many different people and groups are somehow working in unisson but not because of someone at the top controlling it all, but due to external forces beyond their own control, which could entail either a form of mass psychic delusion, or collective hysteria, or, well, demonic possession.

    I am not one to give much credence to the supernatural, but when I see things such as psycho Justin “Fidelito” Trudeau telling 4-year old children, “I know you’re excited to take the vaxx”, as if it was some kind of candy, I wonder.

    WTF?? I have never seen any child who liked to be pricked with vaccines, much less feeling “excited” about it. This people are nuts. And creepy too. What a world.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  209. @Kratoklastes
    Eugyppius' substack is almost indispensable (along with Alex Berenson; Rounding The Earth; uTobian; and El Gato Malo) for anyone who is interested in a numerate take on the current nonsense.

    Also: on the fact that it was always intended for you mudbloods' Pfizer Subscription to be QUARTERLY...

    UK Health Secretary: 'Boosters' every three months.

    NAILED IT.

    The jabs don't work, you poor gullible fucking cockwombles. It was just Pfizer Pfizering, with an assist from their paid bitches at CDC and FDA.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Forbes

    Eugyooius is a fascinating read–resonant of Steve–noticing, dissecting, observing.

  210. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Woke mobs are decentralized at the bottom, but the directives come from above. Most woke idiots are incapable of generating their own ideas, themes, or narratives. Such must be handed down to them. It’s like blood hounds may wander all over the place and appear free-ranging, but it’s in service of pursuing the scent provided to them. They are ‘freely’ fixated on that one scent.

    Without elite academic culture, what is the likelihood that so many ‘woke’ morons would be into creative pronouns and 100 genders? All on their own and decentralized enclaves, they came up with the notion of ‘they’ for a man-posing-as-woman in all fifty states(and even in foreign countries)?

    Here’s a typical case of woke mob-mentality and how it’s directed from above. The elites said Covid is a killer, and Trump is to blame. All must be locked down because it will kill, kill, kill. Woke mobs were saying, STAY INSIDE or else you’ll die!!

    But then, the Power decides racial violence is just the thing to drive a wedge between blacks and Trump(who made some inroads), and all of sudden, the very woke types who’d been acting so scared of Covid are suddenly out in force in the streets and running riot. And the media don’t call foul on this because it’s the instrument of the Power that gave the go-aheads to the mass riots and ‘mostly peaceful protests’.

    Now, if Covid is really a mass killer, wouldn’t ‘woke’ protests lead to countless deaths among progs and blacks? Not very conducive to the objective of ‘black lives matter’. But for the duration of the riots, it was as if the Covid went on vacation and spared all those proggies and blacks. Wink wink between elites and woke mobs.

    And if wokeness has a logic all its own and keeps spreading on the basis of radical equal justice, when has anyone seen a blue city street painted with ‘Palestinian Lives Matter’ sign? When?

    Eugyppius is either an idiot or a lowlife trying to provide cover for the elites(even as he excoriates their excesses).

  211. @Dmon
    @Jack D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Don’t forget David Schwarz.

  212. @Steve Sailer
    @Alrenous

    "America has a Pope. He’s a Communist. Probably lives at Harvard. You just don’t know his name, because that way you can’t demand he resigns."

    Please tell us his name.

    Replies: @Buroaker, @Alrenous, @Anon

    His name is Rachel Maddow.

  213. Anon[891] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, wokery might organize itself this way, but it seems important to point out, as you have written before, fundamentally woke ideology springs from the idea that races must all be the same, from which follows diversity mandates, CRT, and anti-white racism.

    From your October 2020 article, “The Only Polemicists Left”

    As Kendi told Vox:

    “And there’s only two causes of, you know, racial disparities. Either certain groups are better or worse than others and that’s why they have more, or racist policy. Those are the only two options, and antiracists believe that the racial groups are equal, and so they’re trying to change policy.”

    Granted, that sounds about as silly as Kendi is, but who dares dispute him in 2020?

    …Realism has long been an unpopular and often persecuted position—e.g., after Berkeley psychologist Arthur Jensen published in 1969 a landmark meta-analysis in the Harvard Education Review showing that vaunted Great Society programs like Head Start weren’t raising black IQs, death threats forced him to move to an undisclosed location far from campus.

    Likewise, when Sullivan, as editor of The New Republic, published an excerpt from Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s The Bell Curve in 1994, Sullivan’s underlings rebelled, in a prefiguration of today’s Woke mutinies by junior staffers. So Andrew simply published 15 (mostly poorly informed) negative commentaries.

    But here we are, 26 years later, and 51 years after Jensen’s article, and very little has changed.

    In contrast, the mainstream Moralists are adamant that only nurture can explain racial disparities.

  214. @Johann Ricke
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    You mean what I wrote? You find the chance of a genocidal showdown “comforting”?
     
    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there's a moral victory to be had. Your reasoning is similar to that of the intrepid explorer* sitting in a cooking pot who thinks re the cannibals who put him in his predicament "at least deep down, they know they are savages compared to moi - bon vivant, Renaissance Man and a product of the Enlightenment". Whereas the actual thought bubbles wafting up from the assembly of cannibals waiting for dinner to cook is probably closer to "I wonder if pink complexioned long pig tastes better than the local variant."

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rockefeller

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there’s a moral victory to be had.

    LOL. It appears you completely misunderstood my comment, or confused it with Laxa’s. Rephrased, I told Tritelia Laxa that contra her delusion that “intellectually and psychologically developed” people (presumably like herself, a self-identified professional therapist) can talk/hypnotize the woke into reason, the problem is intractable, due to the inherent egoist pique afflicting the woke, and will likely lead to greater (mutual) violence. My last line is literally this:

    Since there are continuing natural (biological) and historic hierarchies that cannot be erased (other than by brutal subjugation or genocide), wokeism may not be able to be ‘cured’ through peaceful means.

    You write:

    I was referring to your rationalization that somewhere in there, there’s a moral victory to be had.

    Where’s my reference to “moral victory”? My comment was clearly about physical outcomes. It’s all-around Who/Whom, with the woke as (current) aggressors. If you’re interested, from August here’s an extensive discussion between me and Laxa on this very subject:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blackrock-is-looking-for-the-black-elizabeth-holmes/#comment-4820393 (#42, etc.)

    The crux of the matter:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blackrock-is-looking-for-the-black-elizabeth-holmes/#comment-4821554 (#90)

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  215. @Bill Jones
    @JackOH

    I think it would be a blast if the GOP Presidential Primaries included at least two candidates whose platform included, front and center, the addition of Straight White Men to the Feds "Protected class" status.

    Replies: @JackOH

    Bill, that would be a hoot, but one down side is the other GOP candidates and Democrat primary contenders could respond with something like, “straight White male privilege denialism“, thus ending the “debate”, probably for bloody fucking eternity (LOL).

  216. @Nicholas Stix
    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    It used to be called “Marxism” and “civil rights.” Then “feminism,” “gay activism,” “Chicano Studies,” "political correctness," etc.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @West reanimator, @JackOH

    What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.

    True dat. One class of people has to be artificially lowered by government, another has to be artificially elevated by government, and by some unexplained process, a social justice utopia will be achieved, and there’ll be no ill consequences to the process. Yeah, right.

    Maybe someone could explain to me why after a half-century of burning cities, affirmative action, in-your-face Black Supremacism, ditto feminism, White diminution, etc., we still haven’t reached that utopia? When will enough be enough?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @JackOH

    Equity is not possible as long as there are really smart whites and Asians given free range.

    The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  217. @al gore rhythms
    I find this article unconvincing. Maybe the author has only come unwillingly to his views later in life and as a result of being forced to. I can see why the idea of wokeness being akin to a force of nature that we can do nothing about and which just sort of happens could be very appealing to some.

    I am old enough and well read enough to remember debates about immigration in the past. Many of the organisations which promote wokeness and racial strife today are ones which campaigned for more immigration and racial quotas for powerful jobs thirty and forty years ago. If we are to believe that there is no conspiracy behind wokeness then we must also presumably believe that such organisations have merely stumbled into a racial demographic situation--one which they both wanted and now ruthlessly exploit--purely by chance, and in the pursuit of idealistic goals. We must take the claims of such groups at face value. And this in spite of the fact that there were many on the right in those times who accused them of seeking to do exactly the kind of things we now see!

    Replies: @res

    we must also presumably believe that such organisations have merely stumbled into a racial demographic situation–one which they both wanted and now ruthlessly exploit–purely by chance, and in the pursuit of idealistic goals.

    I don’t think anything implies the goals must be idealistic. Selfish individual (where the “individual” can have multiple levels of granularity–say from single people to large corporations) goals suffice. Conspiracy is not required. Though failing to realize that conspiracy might be helpful for achieving those goals is naive IMHO.

  218. @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    The cause is the Jewish community.
     
    Wow. Joos - is there ANYTHING they can't do? Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth. How few Jews does it take before their ability to control the entire population fades? What if there is only 1 Jew left alive, like in Afghanistan until recently - is that still too many?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Dmon, @Curle, @Paperback Writer

    Sweden has a Jewish population of perhaps 2/10th of 1% and yet it is one of the Wokest places on earth.

    I don’t think Sweden is really woke. It’s moderately socially “progressive” in the old-fashioned Bernie Sanders way, and it has all the usual modern social ills like gender dysphoria, but for wokism, the US/UK lead the pack.

    Sweden’s also been an outpost of sanity about Covid. They seem to have a good old-fashioned Stoic Scandinavian sense of reality.

    I do agree with you that the resident anti-Semites here are intractable and incapable of perceptive insight, but then, I would.

  219. @Anon7
    @Altai

    Women don't really exist anymore, in the West, in any form that your grandfather or great-grandfather would recognize. Medical (and pharmaceutical) science is the reason.

    For most of their lives, starting with their first few periods, women use birth control. Not to avoid pregnancy, but to control their periods. Most women at least some of the time have very severe mood swings and extensive bleeding; this is mostly controlled by birth control hormones now.

    Young girls and women also use drugs like Prozac to control panic attacks, depression and severe menstrual symptoms. Prozac is the fundamental reason that many women can now participate in large organizations for an entire career. There was often a practical reason that ancient or primitive societies required women to withdraw from social interaction for a week every month.

    Women now believe that they can control their own minds and bodies; why shouldn't they also believe that they can (and should) control society around them to further ease their minds?

    Will the West tell women they can't have birth control or Prozac whenever they want it? I doubt it.

    Will the West at some point tell women that their control over society and social discourse also needs to have practical limits. We'll see.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Alden

    Good God, what brought that on? Why are the women haters so obsessed with women? And how do you know what women feel at certain times of the month? Are you interested in oby gyny porn.?

  220. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Frankly, restricting late abortion in heavily black Mississippi is not a good idea IMHO. Black women are precisely the kind of irresponsible people who wait until late in their pregnancies before deciding to abort. Upholding this law largely means that more black babies will be born to the least capable black mothers. You are saving the life of future Darrell Brooks’s who will go on to take other lives, so you are in the end taking lives and not saving them.
     
    Steve once argued that the women who get abortions are precisely those you want to carry babies to term. Women aren't blank slates. Those who abort their babies are smarter and more future-oriented. They are precisely the ones you want to have babies, and lots of them. For those who want to continue on with their lives without having to care for a child after carrying their babies to term, there are baby Moses laws in all 50 states.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Alden

    Abortion in America is desperately necessary eugenics. Too many useless parasites already and more pouring in from the 5th world every minute. More than 250 anchor babies have been born to Afghani women fraudulent refugees since August. Girls will grow up to have more welfare broods Boys will grow up to be if not career criminals, petty criminals and a burden on the rest of us.

    Most important, even if they don’t grow up to be criminals, they will get affirmative action privileges over your own children and grand children.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  221. @Paperback Writer
    Is the current situation worse than Cornell 1969? Somehow I think it is, but read this.

    https://www.hoover.org/research/day-cornell-died

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jim Don Bob

    Zachary Carter, who was involved with the Cornell takeover, became US Attorney EDNY, and NYC corporation counsel. Thomas Jones went in to John Hancock, TIAA-CREF and Citi. Not sure what happened to the guy with the bandolier, Eric Evans.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @hhsiii

    Well how do you like that? So BLM really has nothing on them. As Bill Ayers said, "America is a great country. Guilty as hell, free as a bird."

    Sometimes I wish China would just punch us in the jaw and get it over with. But they're too smart to do that.

  222. @Jonathan Mason
    I think he's right, but I think the same kind of argument can be applied to the infection control precautions for Covid-19.

    Public health officials and politicians do not want to be on the wrong side of history, so they will always err on the side of additional precautions.

    For example, Ecuador has just introduced a new rule that anybody arriving in the country must have proof of vaccine plus a negative PCR test.

    This is not because anybody in Ecuador is actually profiting from vaccine passports, but because it just seems to politicians like a sensible common sense precaution to protect the population which is now vaccinated at the rate of over 70% down to the age of five, mostly with Sinovac.

    Politicians hate to look at the morning papers and see headlines like "a million Americans died of covid-19 since Biden took office." Politicians tend to trust what the medical experts say, because they have no medical expertise themselves.

    It doesn't matter what country it is, politicians are basically all the same, and they want people to think that they did what was for the best.

    What is fascinating is that every country has its own idea of what is best. In the Caribbean region there are many micronations that depend heavily on north American and European tourism to earn foreign currency, and they have approached the question of how to deal with Covid-19 in a myriad of different ways, but without any real coordinated approach.

    To the basic consumer or reader of Unz review it appears that the fact that, say, Barbados requires proof of vaccination and testing before travel as well as testing on arrival and then having to get a test before going back to the United States within 24 hours of travel is proof of a conspiracy to make money by excessive testing and charges for vaccine passports and vaccine apps, but in fact it is just politicians and administrators helplessly flapping their wings and trying to give the impression to the world that they are doing the right thing.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Kratoklastes, @LondonBob

    Its all top down, Soros and others funding wokeness, Gates funding public health. These chaps are spending vast sums for a reason.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @LondonBob

    LondonBob, yep. Here in the States, where I'm an observer of my local Podunk Tech, many big-ticket donors are content with writing a check, smiling for the cameras, and walking away.

    Some big-ticket donors are of a different stripe altogether. They write their checks, and, by God, they want quid pro quo--university policy decisions that favor their whims, patronage hiring, etc. Their influence is so heavy-handed and so startlingly effective that in my opinion they've compromised the mission of the academy. Not fatally, but very noticeably.

  223. @Mina Horowitz
    It is not entirely self-organized, the general trends are dictated top-down via the media. It's about indoctrinating people to the point where they are true believers and carry things out themselves, but if the media truly truly wanted to switch things around they could, because all the cancellations, diversity appointments, etc etc are rooted in the fact that it's now socially acceptable, employable, etc to be that way, and that respectability comes from the media. If they suddenly do a 180 and start condemning people trying to profit off of racial grievance grifts, those will dry up quickly. Right now most people don't say anything out of fear of being made unemployable via a quick google search of their name thanks to a scandal breaking out in the news or social media. Get rid of that threat, and 'cancellation' stops meaning as much.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    The impact that Comcast has had on Britain since they bought Sky is indicative of that, we now have kneeling before football matches and the destruction of the iconic Yorkshire Cricket Club on a bogus race case. The power of the media is crucial and no surprise to see who founded and controls Comcast.

  224. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

    First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    No it wasn’t. The characters who inhabited James Michener’s The Drifters were fictional and their real life counterparts were usually scions of wealthy families.

    Those successful people who took on a countercultural image like Mick Jagger were usually anything but, or, if they were the real thing, they died young like Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    One might also argue that the hippie movement and the associated peace movement were very much a florid reaction to the Vietnam war and the compulsory military draft.

    The era was also deeply associated with the brand new birth control pill, marijuana, and LSD.

    The massive rock music festival at Woodstock in 1969 was just months before the largest of all the protests against the Vietnam war in Washington, DC.

    Out of the Vietnam war ended in 1973, you really didn't hear much more from hippies, and by 1980 Ronald Reagan came along and it was "Morning in America"!

  225. @William Badwhite
    @Eagle Eye


    “Antifa.”...it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing...
     
    Citation?

    I'm not trying to imitate Corvirus, I'm genuinely curious, particularly about the Fed backing part.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @Justvisiting

    This does not directly address the “Deep State” question of your post, but these old articles give a lot of detail about early Antifa that you may find interesting (there are links to parts 1 and 2):

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/antifa-osint-profile-leaders-weaknesses-exposed-part-3/

    I am convinced the Deep State has (at an absolute minimum) deeply infiltrated Antifa to the point that it would be difficult to figure out whether it was active support or merely agent provocateur behavior.

  226. @JackOH
    @Nicholas Stix


    What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.
     
    True dat. One class of people has to be artificially lowered by government, another has to be artificially elevated by government, and by some unexplained process, a social justice utopia will be achieved, and there'll be no ill consequences to the process. Yeah, right.

    Maybe someone could explain to me why after a half-century of burning cities, affirmative action, in-your-face Black Supremacism, ditto feminism, White diminution, etc., we still haven't reached that utopia? When will enough be enough?

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    Equity is not possible as long as there are really smart whites and Asians given free range.

    The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Justvisiting

    “The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them“

    How sociopathic of you to say.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Boomthorkell

  227. @Achmed E. Newman
    I tend to believe for a lot of the big ills that there is no organised plan, so no argument there. People just make the same stupid moves to fit in with the existing stupidity and to wield power, as this post describes very well.

    I highlighted the spelling above to note that the non-American Mr. Eugyppius perhaps is too ignorant of, but more likely, too cowardly, to mention the racial aspect of wokeness:


    For non-White students, Wokeness has still other attractions—as a font of easy coursework, as an opportunity for social networking, and as a locus for the periodic ritual entertainment of false moral outrages and protests.
     
    FIFH. Wokeness is inherently anti-White-male. Why didn't this guy state that? Without the White bogeyman, Wokeness would be nothing.

    Wokeness is against cultural traditions, but only those of White society.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian M., @Clyde

    If I am so smart how come I am not richer than you and The Wild Geese Howard? I am going to file this as yet another one of life’s (baffling) mysteries

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    I don't get this one, Clyde. Was it supposed to be in reply to another comment?

  228. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

    “… half the teacher were …”

    Ms. Alden, are you a recent college garduate?

    And maybe half the teacher were men.

    No, in ye olde days, most K-12 teachers were women. The school principal was probably male.

  229. @Paperback Writer
    Is the current situation worse than Cornell 1969? Somehow I think it is, but read this.

    https://www.hoover.org/research/day-cornell-died

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jim Don Bob

    Is the current situation worse than Cornell 1969?

    And one of those protesters was Franklin Raines who later made \$50 million in bonuses by cooking the books at Fannie Mae to the tune of \$13 billion.

  230. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    It wasn’t a reason at all. The reason for it was the Democratic Party’s reflexive habit of putting people on government patronage conjoined to stupidity. Higher education incorporates some vocational training, but its main line of business is providing labor market signals. The labor market signals are useful to have if you’re competing for positional goods. The thing is, you cannot, relative to your population, expand the supply of positional goods, so all that was wasted.

    While we’re at it, your remarks about the labor market are utter nonsense. The post-war cohorts entered the labor market during the period running from 1960 to 1973. Labor markets were tight at that time; there was no need to soak up idle labor in military service and the added increment to the population on active duty ca. 1969 hardly accounted for more than 1% of the total working population. The ratio of military expenditure to domestic product declined by more than half over the period running from 1953 to 1978 and did so with scant interruption, increasing only from 1964 to 1966.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
  231. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists

    The Digest of Education Statistics reports that in the 1967-68 academic year, mean annual cash compensation for teachers was about \$7,450 a year. The mean for the working population as a whole at that time was \$5,740, so teachers were paid 28% in excess of the mean. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that mean annual cash compensation for elementary and secondary teachers right now is around \$65,300 per year, about 10% in excess of the mean for the workforce as a whole.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Art Deco


    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists
     
    For whatever reason, teachers have always always had a soapbox from which to cry poverty. That it bears no relationship to reality hasn't much changed public perceptions. A public that believes teachers are underpaid will, of course, believe that racism is why blacks are overrepresented in prison populations - the common thread is a disinclination to spend much time researching or thinking about this or other subjects relevant to the public weal.
  232. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists

    The Digest of Education Statistics reports that in the 1967-68 academic year, mean annual cash compensation for teachers was about $7,450 a year. The mean for the working population as a whole at that time was $5,740, so teachers were paid 28% in excess of the mean. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that mean annual cash compensation for elementary and secondary teachers right now is around $65,300 per year, about 10% in excess of the mean for the workforce as a whole.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists

    For whatever reason, teachers have always always had a soapbox from which to cry poverty. That it bears no relationship to reality hasn’t much changed public perceptions. A public that believes teachers are underpaid will, of course, believe that racism is why blacks are overrepresented in prison populations – the common thread is a disinclination to spend much time researching or thinking about this or other subjects relevant to the public weal.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  233. @usNthem
    @Altai

    Well said. I guess a question is how does this seeming collective insanity end - will it end - will it end western civilization if not?

    Replies: @Neuday

    Well said. I guess a question is how does this seeming collective insanity end – will it end – will it end western civilization if not?

    If we’re lucky, after the famine and economic collapse, Western Civilization continues in widespread pockets with women more concerned about familial survival than voting, and with the Jewish elite in search of lodgings elsewhere.

    • Agree: usNthem
  234. @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden


    First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.
     
    No it wasn't. The characters who inhabited James Michener's The Drifters were fictional and their real life counterparts were usually scions of wealthy families.

    Those successful people who took on a countercultural image like Mick Jagger were usually anything but, or, if they were the real thing, they died young like Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    One might also argue that the hippie movement and the associated peace movement were very much a florid reaction to the Vietnam war and the compulsory military draft.

    The era was also deeply associated with the brand new birth control pill, marijuana, and LSD.

    The massive rock music festival at Woodstock in 1969 was just months before the largest of all the protests against the Vietnam war in Washington, DC.

    Out of the Vietnam war ended in 1973, you really didn’t hear much more from hippies, and by 1980 Ronald Reagan came along and it was “Morning in America”!

  235. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My top-down mechanism is that around 2013 the re-elected Obama Administration and the New York Times coordinated upon some priorities: e.g., the campus rape crisis panic that targeted fraternities.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

    Evidence required here rather than supposition.

  236. @Justvisiting
    @JackOH

    Equity is not possible as long as there are really smart whites and Asians given free range.

    The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them“

    How sociopathic of you to say.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Corvinus

    I just listen to what leftists say and draw the logical conclusions of what they must mean.

    They want the smart people dead.

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Corvinus

    It is sociopathic of those equity leftists, agreed.

    Glad you're honest about the Truth.

  237. @LondonBob
    @Jonathan Mason

    Its all top down, Soros and others funding wokeness, Gates funding public health. These chaps are spending vast sums for a reason.

    Replies: @JackOH

    LondonBob, yep. Here in the States, where I’m an observer of my local Podunk Tech, many big-ticket donors are content with writing a check, smiling for the cameras, and walking away.

    Some big-ticket donors are of a different stripe altogether. They write their checks, and, by God, they want quid pro quo–university policy decisions that favor their whims, patronage hiring, etc. Their influence is so heavy-handed and so startlingly effective that in my opinion they’ve compromised the mission of the academy. Not fatally, but very noticeably.

  238. @JimDandy
    If the real power wanted to stomp out Wokeness like a bug. They would. Successfully. Splat!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @GazaPlanet

    These types who are ideologically invested in the current system have had a lifetime to figure out who is pushing this stuff. If they don’t acknowledge it by now, they are willfully ignorant.

    In the post above “only tolerate amplification of the propaganda they want amplified”

  239. @Corvinus
    @Justvisiting

    “The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them“

    How sociopathic of you to say.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Boomthorkell

    I just listen to what leftists say and draw the logical conclusions of what they must mean.

    They want the smart people dead.

  240. @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If I am so smart how come I am not richer than you and The Wild Geese Howard? I am going to file this as yet another one of life's (baffling) mysteries

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t get this one, Clyde. Was it supposed to be in reply to another comment?

  241. @Corvinus
    @Justvisiting

    “The only way to reach the leftist Utopia of equity is to start rounding up all the smart folks and get rid of them“

    How sociopathic of you to say.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Boomthorkell

    It is sociopathic of those equity leftists, agreed.

    Glad you’re honest about the Truth.

  242. @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They are not useless. https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

    If you have any other Covid-related question, ask the expert ...

    https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/092/154/106/original/4d63b7d91bf75451.jpg

    Replies: @Marquis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Yes, a cloth or other barrier keeps sick people from spewing infected mucus all over the place when seized with uncontrollable coughing; this is well-known. It also means that masks are only operative, if at all, for already-infected people.

    Nobody claims the masks protect you from viruses; try showing up at an asbestos-remediation site with your trusty N95 mask and watch everybody yell at you to get tf out of there.

    Whether masks actually inhibit the spread of COVID, nobody has the slightest idea. If they did by any substantial measure, you wouldn’t even need studies.

  243. @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Good analysis. Since I was one of those students i’ll add a few things about the mad rush to college.

    First and foremost What to do with the baby boomers pouring out of high school and entering a job market already filled by their 50 year old fathers and 45 year old mothers. The men could be drafted and kept out of the job market for 3 years. The women could do clerical service jobs till they got married and would be supported by husbands.

    But when the draftees got out of the army and looked for work, their fathers were still working with years to go before retirement. And a a new cohort of job seekers was coming out of high school every year. The women began to realize early marriage was no longer an option and began looking for real adult careers.

    Just as important were the high school teachers endlessly preaching total contempt and disdain for anything but a professional career or at least an office job.

    Teachers were low paid at the time compared to the trades sales and even the well paid women typists and secretaries hair dressers nurses etc. And maybe half the teacher were men. Married men with families to support. With all the frustrations and problems of supporting family on a low salary.

    So the women teachers sneered at the lowly secretaries who didn’t go to college. The men teachers sneered at the lowly unionized factory workers sales men and trades men who made so much more money but never went to college.

    But the big big reason for the student loan programs and everybody must go to college was that great big baby boom butting up against their parents who were 15, 20 years from retirement.

    Even Kennedy’s Peace Corps was a ploy to get activist college grads off in a jungle somewhere instead of being frustrated because they couldn’t find work.

    The entire hippie movement was designed to distract young people from the economics of an over crowded job market to sex and drugs. First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @David Davenport, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer

    First time in American history it was a status symbol to be a drifting unemployed no permanent address 25 year old.

    Not at all. The “Lost Generation” of Paris (and NY and Chicago and London and anywhere you had Brigh Young Things) in the 20s pioneered that act. In a lot of ways the 60s were an echo of that time, with, of course, its own spin due to Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement.

    Art Deco has deconstructed your economic illiteracy far better than I can.

  244. @hhsiii
    @Paperback Writer

    Zachary Carter, who was involved with the Cornell takeover, became US Attorney EDNY, and NYC corporation counsel. Thomas Jones went in to John Hancock, TIAA-CREF and Citi. Not sure what happened to the guy with the bandolier, Eric Evans.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Well how do you like that? So BLM really has nothing on them. As Bill Ayers said, “America is a great country. Guilty as hell, free as a bird.”

    Sometimes I wish China would just punch us in the jaw and get it over with. But they’re too smart to do that.

  245. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    There are video pastiches of hundreds of affiliate news stations repeating verbatim scripted lines that were obviously handed down from corporate, putting the lie to the insistence that there is no top-down conspiracy pushing anti-White wokelism on America. Leftoid Narratives are crafted by conspiracists, and disseminated by lackeys. One week reading the major newspapers should clear up any doubts about this reality.

    I find all this bloviating about the impossibility of a wokeist conspiracy to be a desperate attempt to distract from the jewish role in the anti-White juggernaut that has been a staple of American society for at least sixty years. If you can keep it on the level of “emergent, decentralized movement”, then no one’s thoughts will turn to dangerous ideas about tribal ethnic groups conspiring to push anti-White minoritarianism in media, entertianment, academia, science (lol), public schools, government, tech, etc. If CTRL-F “jew” returns zilch from an article about wokeness, then it’s a good bet you are reading controlled opposition.

    Here’s a novel thought: conspiracies and organic movements aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, the most successful movements incorporate both.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  246. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @West reanimator
    @Nicholas Stix


    This mook has no sense of history. What today is called “wokeness” has been around for generations.
     
    I agree and this guy's line of argument strikes me as a cop out coming from an academic, or former academic in this case. IDW types like Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson have put forth similar arguments. We're totally powerless, it's all the students' fault! Right...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I agree and this guy’s line of argument strikes me as a cop out coming from an academic, or former academic in this case. IDW types like Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson have put forth similar arguments. We’re totally powerless, it’s all the students’ fault! Right…

    Summary of what follows: past writings show that we are in a major reorganization of our society. Our reorganization may succeed, but the two described below failed. Parts of the civilization were re-used, but the civilization itself died. My message here is: “This is serious — stop playing around.” There are examples of societies that have re-made themselves, and become world wide influences — Europe in the 1600s, Japan in the 1800s, Germans in the 1900s. I don’t give them here because this is long enough already. If you want the other examples, ask for them in a reply.

    Further examples from history, including the fall the Assyrian Empire and the USSR would show at least two ways that a seemingly invulnerable society can fail. In these two examples, taking on too many enemies and being unable to support your own civil population are at least sometimes the critical factors in civilizational failure. The US seems to be combining the Assyrian model and the USSR model.

    The Assyrian model (over-reliance on military force and swamping native population putting almost everybody into the Army while replacing productive laborers by slaves. Eventually the native Assyrians became so few in number that they could not maintain the Empire, and after the natives were killed off in various military engagements, Assyria found itself with a population of non-Assyrian former slaves. This precluded any revival of the Assyrians.

    The USSR model consists of bringing all industry under government control. The resulting system loses productivity as capital is miss-allocated (for several reasons), and eventually cannot support the government’s population. The “supply chain” problems we now have are a consequence of a realization that the US welfare population could not produce the goods needed to feed & house it, that the blue collar workers 0f the time (1960s -1970s) would switch parties if forced to make these extra goods, and that the Chinese could be induced to make these goods while the Europeans could be induced to pay for the extra goods by monetary manipulation. The USSR model failed when the Europeans stopped USSSR IOUs and stopped delivering power. The US model seems likely to fail in a similar way.

    It helps to know how the game played out the last few times anybody tried it. Usually the disintegration of dialog leaves “argumentum ad baculum”, or appeal to force (literally, “argument the relies upon a cudgel”, this point is from Hobbes}. Here is one example. See if it doesn’t sound about like today.

    Once upon a time, about 400 BC, the Classical Greek society destroyed itself during a 30 year or so war off attrition.
    Athens was a Classical Greek democracy, which elected its leader during meetings of all male citizens (who were considered because they were essential as rowers to the Athenian Navy).
    Sparta has no analogous state in recent history. Closest you could come would be Idi Amin’s government in Uganda; the Spartan state existed solely to retain control of its Helot slaves.
    Sparta’s alliance won the war, but the Spartans proved unable to run the resulting Empire. As for the Romans after them (and, I think, the USA, see Kaiser’s So Damn Much Money), once it became possible to steal enough as governor to bribe their way out of punishment once they returned home, they were consumed by their own internal conflicts. All of Greece fell into a demographic collapse, and was eclipsed by Alexander the Great’s empire.
    From the Greek’s point of view, the above was an unmitigated disaster.
    Here are some quotes from Thucydides, who seems to generally agree with Steve Sailor:

    “Love of power, operating through greed and through personal ambition, was the cause of all these evils. To this must be added the violent fanaticism which came into play once the struggle had broken out. Leaders of parties in the cities had programmes which appeared admirable – on one side political equality for the masses, on the other the safe and sound government of the aristocracy – but in professing to serve the public interest they were seeking to win the prizes for themselves. In their struggles for ascendancy nothing was barred; terrible indeed were the actions to which they committed themselves, and in taking revenge they went farther still. Here they were deterred neither by the claims of justice nor by the interests of the state; their one standard was the pleasure of their own party at that particular moment, and so, either by means of condemning their enemies on an illegal vote or by violently usurping power over them, they were always ready to satisfy the hatreds of the hour. Thus neither side had any use for conscientious motives; more interest was shown in those who could produce attractive arguments to justify some disgraceful action. As for the citizens who held moderate views, they were destroyed by both the extreme parties, either for not taking part in the struggle or in envy at the possibility that they might survive.”

    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    If you have the power to put a stop to subjugation, yet look the other way while it happens, then you have done it yourselves,”
    ― Thucydides, On Justice, Power, and Human Nature: Selections from The History of the Peloponnesian War

    [MORE]

    “Some legislators only wish to vengeance against a particular enemy. Others only look out for themselves. They devote very little time on the consideration of any public issue. They think that no harm will come from their neglect. They act as if it is always the business of somebody else to look after this or that. When this selfish notion is entertained by all, the commonwealth slowly begins to decay. ”

    ― Thucydides

    “Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal supporter; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question incapacity to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness; cautious plotting a justifiable means of self-defense. [5] The advocate of extreme measures was always trustworthy; his opponent a man to be suspected. To succeed in a plot was to have a shrewd head, to divine a plot a still shrewder; but to try to provide against having to do either was to break up your party and to be afraid of your adversaries. In short, to forestall an intending criminal, or to suggest the idea of a crime where it was lacking was equally commended, [6] until even blood became a weaker tie than party, from the superior readiness of those united by the latter to dare everything without reserve; for such associations sought not the blessings derivable from established institutions but were formed by ambition to overthrow them; and the confidence of their member

    s in each other rested less on any religious sanction than upon complicity in crime.”
    ― Thucydides, The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War,

    “If it had not been for the pernicious power of envy, men would not so have exalted vengeance above innocence and profit above justice… in these acts of revenge on others, men take it upon themselves to begin the process of repealing those general laws of humanity which are there to give a hope of salvation to all who are in distress.”
    ― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

    “And do not imagine that what we are fighting for is simply the question of freedom or slavery: there is also involved the loss of our empire and the dangers arising from the hatred which we have incurred in administering it. Nor is it any longer possible for you to give up this empire, though there may be some people who in a mood of sudden panic and in a spirit of political apathy actually think that this would be a fine and noble thing to do. Your empire is now like a tyranny: it may have been wrong to take it; it is certainly dangerous to let it go.”

    ― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

    Here’s an unsourced quote attributed to Thucydides:

    “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”

    “You have become regular speech-goers, and as for action, you merely listen to accounts of it; if something is to be done in the future you estimate the possibilities by hearing a good speech on the subject, and as for the past you rely not so much on the facts which you have seen with your own eyes as on what you have heard about them in some clever piece of verbal criticism. Any novelty in an argument deceives you at once, but when the argument is tried and proved you become unwilling to follow it; you look with suspicion on what is normal and are the slaves of every paradox that comes your way. The chief wish of each one of you is to be able to make a speech himself, and, if you cannot do that, the next best thing is to compete with those who can make this sort of speech by not looking as though you were at all out of your depth while you listen to the views put forward, by applauding a good point even before it is made, and by being as quick at seeing how an argument is going to be developed as you are slow at understanding what in the end it will lead to. What you are looking for all the time is something that is, I should say, outside the range of ordinary experience, and yet you cannot even think straight about the facts of life that are before you. You are simply victims of your own pleasure in listening, and are more like an audience sitting at the feet of a professional lecturer than a parliament discussing matters of state.”

    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    And here’s Mr. T’s description of the outcome, once war was declared:

    “War is a violent teacher,”

    ― Thucydides, On Justice, Power, and Human Nature: Selections from The History of the Peloponnesian War

    “it is a general rule of human nature that people despise those who treat them well and look up to those who make no concessions.”

    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    “In times of peace and prosperity cities and individuals alike follow higher standards, because they are not forced into a situation where they have to do what they do not want to do. But war is a stern teacher; in depriving them of the power of easily satisfying their daily wants, it brings most people’s minds down to the level of their actual circumstances.”

    ― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

    I’ll add that by the end of the war, the citizen population of Athens was
    (a) about half the size as before the Peloponnesian War
    (b) of different composition, since Athens had several times offered citizenship and freedom to slaves who would volunteer to crew ships. This was usually after yet another disaster that had killed most of their existing rowers.

    When the war was over, the Greeks regarded the war as an unmitigated disaster. Greece never did recover, and the Greek successors to Alexander’s empire grossly outnumbered the resource available to any individual Greek polis. Leagues of poleis, were tried, but lacked unity of command.
    Today’s situation”

    Cause: Nobody likes the Capitalism that Weber attributed to Protestants and to Protestants only. The Western population doesn’t like the emphasis on “merit”, which turns out to be largely heritable, and the non-Western societies don’t like it because (a) it is not theirs and they find it an un-natural society that defies their common sense and (b) Western society conquered or simply destroyed the society that the non-Western populations had made for themselves. Turns out that industrial society needs a very particular and difficult sort of social organization. See Hicks for the required organization A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World, and note Dutton’s remarks in The Genius Famine to the effect that Industrial civilization cannot be retained indefinitely after the Industrial Revolution starts churning out goods, as the required organization is high K, and the Industrial Revolution society is high R. Average IQ has dropped by about 15 points since 1870, rate of fundamental innovation has dropped with it, and it is not clear that the West has the sheer technical ability to switch energy sources as the current sources become unusable. In fact, the current Green Energy sources take more energy to make (full cycle accounting including mining and scrapping) than they gather during their lifetimes. Example: The West is now dependent on the People’s Republic of China for its R&D into the most likely successor power source: the liquid medium Thorium reactor.

    Try Hicks, Understanding Postmodernism to see how the Western philosophical tradition has been politically transformed into what amounts to Sophism.
    The trouble with philosophy (perhaps with all human thought) is that it can be accepted while being utterly unconnected with reality. Example “Two plus two is not four! It is oppression!”

    And, just for fun, take a look at Aristophanes’ “The Clouds” ( https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2562 ) to see what any graduate program in any Western university is like even today. Note that the main character is the non-academic and incipient bankrupt Strepsiades, “Twister”, who wants to use the “new knowledge” to prove his worse case better than that of his debtor.

    Sources:
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7142
    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/957.Thucydides?page=2

  247. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    It's not the "little piece of cloth" per se (which hides the gracile features humans evolved over millenia to provide important social cues to each other, but that's another issue). It's the fact that the little piece of cloth is useless, but powerful individuals (and powerful mobs) make you wear it any way. Why do we wear masks? Because we can make you. Period.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian, @Corvinus

    The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high. Period.

    • Disagree: LondonBob
  248. @Eagle Eye
    @Reg Cæsar


    Klaus Schwab is not making them do this ...
     
    The lady doeth protest too much.

    Expect many more pieces pushing this "amorphous organization" meme about the Woke Wave. It has been said that Satan's greatest trick is to convince men that he does not exist.

    One notes that the same line - "it's just an amorphous organization without any centralized leadership" - was previously trotted out about "Antifa" by numerous "academics," "law enforcement" spokeswomen, "intelligence analysts" etc., as if on cue. Since then, some real observers have looked more closely about the senior leadership of "Antifa." Sure enough, it was found that the organization's actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing. As always, the question is cui bono.

    Wokery as a whole follows the same pattern. Anyone who seriously looks at the outline and in particular at the texture of the large cultural, legislative and administrative changes since the 1920s cannot fail to be impressed by how a small, incestuous coterie of "intellectuals," bureaucrats, money men, quasi-hereditary ruling families, sexual deviants, general psychopaths and opportunists have been working assiduously - often in broad daylight - to build a massive core organization, develop a consolidated strategy supported by a whole assemblage of mind viruses, propaganda techniques, bureaucratic and legal devices, etc., all mutually reinforcing.

    It is quite true that - like multi-level sales organizations - the lower-tier players are keenly aware of their own opportunities to profit, but may have only a vague understanding of what the central leadership wants and does. That does not mean that the central leadership does not have its own role in shaping the structure and trajectory of the organization.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Dube, @nosquat loquat

    You write: “Sure enough, it was found that the organization’s actions are firmly controlled by a well-defined if secretive central leadership with heavy Deep State backing.”

    Some links to this research would be much appreciated. I agree with the thesis, but would like to see more proof.

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