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From the Washington Post:

LONDON — The European Union predicted Thursday that up to 3 million additional asylum seekers could enter the 28-member bloc by the end of next year, suggesting the staggering pace of new arrivals in recent months shows no sign of abating.

The forecast, buried in a 204-page report on the future of the European economy, will add to an already burning debate in Europe about whether the continent can handle the influx, which has broken all modern records.

So far this year, more than 760,000 people have entered the continent seeking refuge or jobs, according to the U.N.’s refugee agency. The new arrivals have badly strained government resources in countries all along the trail, which leads from the Mediterranean Sea in the south to richer nations in Europe’s north.

One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid, an admission that it is failing to cope. Sweden, which has taken the largest per capita share of refugees of any E.U. country, is expecting 190,000 asylum seekers this year — double its previous record.

“The major problem today is that the number of asylum seekers is growing faster than we can arrange for accommodation,” Morgan Johansson, the minister for justice and migration, told reporters. “Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn’t anywhere to stay.”

The Swedish Migration Agency said it would house 50 migrants in its headquarters, having run out of space in hotels, apartment buildings, tents, old army barracks and converted prisons.

Despite the strain, Thursday’s European Commission report predicted a modest overall economic boost from the migrant influx, citing higher government spending and an expanded labor pool.

“If managed properly, the inflow of refugees will have a small favorable effect on growth in the short and medium term,” the report concluded.

It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.

That view is deeply controversial in Europe, which has been polarized by the crisis. Viktor Orban, the nationalist prime minister of Hungary, said Thursday that Europe needs to encourage its citizens to have more children instead of welcoming refugees from South Asia, North Africa and the Middle East. “The survival of our civilization and our culture is at stake,” he told a conference.

The prediction of 3 million additional asylum seekers by the end of 2016 was based on an expectation that the pace of arrivals will remain in line with the extraordinary levels experienced in Europe in recent months. The numbers were not forecast to decline until 2017.

When all the problems of the world will no doubt be settled, so nobody will have an excuse anymore to head to Europe.

 
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  1. What a poisonous pack of lies. The flow of “migrants” and “refugees” is generated entirely by the treachery of European governments who opened their borders to them. Sweden’s projected intake will increase its population by 2 per cent – a 2 per cent increase in one year made up entirely of fast-breeding Africans and Asians.

  2. It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.

    It’s all in the book.

    They’re flexing their muscles and moving forward. They really believe the future will be cities – oases of elites – situated within vast fields of organically grown crops. The morlocks will tend the fields until they can be replaced by robots. It will be a good life for those who make the cut.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    How very Corbusian.
  3. The FT today had an article on Austria’s response to mass immavasion. The Austrian government notes it is committed to free movement of peoples and open borders, but needs “order” and is building fences, including razor wire and moats, to “insure order” and promote “control.”

    So even the bonkers open borders Austrians are besieged, quite literally, by a sea of Muslim humanity. Based on the waves of people I would estimate more like 20 million people, most of them young Muslim men, have washed up in Europe, mostly in Germany and Sweden and the Netherlands.

    Austria is finding people perfectly happy to live there and get welfare, wage jihad on the kafir (ala the UC Merced stabber) and create rape/prostitution rings with the native girls. Hence the sudden interest in “order.”

    Too little, too late. With the bombing of the Russian airplane by ISIS it seems that the stage is set for the battle of Europe. Participants include ISIS of course, Turkey (again, ISIS), Russia, the clueless or tingles-motivated EU leaders, Orban, the Poles (again saviors against the Turk just like last time), the clueless Pope, and some leaders yet to be determined. But those seem to be the players.

  4. Johansson probably makes pretty good money in his position, so he probably has a nice size flat or house, plus almost all middle and up class Swedes I know have summer homes. What is his bedroom to children-at-home ratio? I’ll bet he and the staff of his ministry could put a dent in the problem all by themselves just by taking the immigrants in as free boarders.
    Why don’t some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    Why don’t some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and "darn straight!" in a Southern accent, it's usually not such a good idea.

    Obviously, what's happening in the EU and the U.S. is Darwin in action. One group of people simply isn't fit. Another group of people is. In the past when I've presented actual, tangible, realistic, easy things people can do they did nothing, illustrating my point. Or, they respond with nonsensical smears ("Like all your comments, this one amounts to “Look at meeeee!”" by "5371" in response to a similar past comment).

    If non-elite whites are incapable of taking on and defeating lightweights like the head of the NYT editorial board or are too deranged to help those who can, then exactly what use are they?
    , @The Albino Sasquatch
    It's a very good idea Alfa - but like yourself I don't know why people who are opposed to demographic replacement & cultural self-destruction don't actually DO these things. Nobody listens, any attempt to debate the subject just gets shrieked down as 'phobic' of some sort, as well as being socially ostracized and put at very real risk of physical harm. Time to start learning from our enemies and begin deploying their own tactics against them, as well as the suggestion you put forward. Better to make our enemies take a face full of shit before we fade into ethno-cultural oblivion.
  5. “One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid”

    I hope they don’t get any, let Sweden burn, as a warning to other European countries. If I hadn’t the misfortune of living here, I’d feel the same way about Germany…the conformist stupidity on display here is astounding (I just read that a Christian Democrat member of Parliament believes Syrians are the “Prussians of the Orient”, skilled, industrious and efficient, and will solve Germany’s demographic problems…). Don’t know how Nordicists got the idiotic idea that Germanics are somehow superior, on the contrary, they seem to be the weakest, most timid and most stupid of all Europeans.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I agree. I feel that Sweden is on its own now, they let this sh*t happen for decades. Finland will be abused by Sweden, but hopefully, will prevail in not letting in so many migrant men from MENA.

    Sweden has caused this problem...they must learn a hard lesson from all their years of having such uncontrollable, pompous hubris on their side (their mineral wealth/old money wealth and all) but now, who cares? Sweden is a cartoon-character country. The question is: which cartoon?
    , @Anonym
    I don't really understand it, but even though I have blood from that general area (not Sweden exactly), it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes, who know nothing and prescribe their derivative brand of PC idiocy on the world. What an especially stupid, naive people. I mean, most white countries are stupidly PC and somewhat sanctimonious about it, but the Swedes take it to that next level.

    BTW I thought to google "sanctimonious stupid swede" and got an article by Taki.

    http://www.nypress.com/swedes-are-bores/
  6. “If managed properly, the inflow of refugees will have a small favorable effect on growth in the short and medium term,”

    A favorable effect on per-capita growth? I’m guessing maybe not, but who wants to be stickler for fine points?

    Ken

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    A favorable effect on per-capita growth? I’m guessing maybe not, but who wants to be stickler for fine points?

     

    It is BS propaganda. Broken windows economics. Just as if I come to your house and take a dump on your floor, that causes growth because you will hire an environmental waste company to come clean the mess. The propagandist admits this when he says the "growth" comes from government spending. So it's broken windows, redistributionist, and inflationary to the extent the government prints the money rather than confiscating it. But why allow reality to intrude into an otherwise lovely genocide?
  7. “‘They told us we were going to Frankfurt, but we’ve ended up in this wilderness’: Migrants turn up their noses at ‘boring’ German village… and some have already left”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3303546/We-simply-t-cope-numbers-200-migrants-arrive-tiny-German-village-quadrupling-population-just-two-days.html

    • Replies: @Anon7
    Good find. And didn't I see a video recently about how the Swedes are agonizing about how they are going to build another Stockholm for immigrants? The current one took 800 years to build...
  8. if Nordic nations cant handle them! send them to Minnesota!them asses love misery!

  9. “It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.”

    I am starting to picture The Economy as a giant Leviathan that devours human beings. Its only imperative is growth.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Growth for its own sake being the ideology of a cancer cell, as Ed Abbey said.
  10. “The new arrivals have badly strained government resources in countries all along the trail, which leads from the Mediterranean Sea in the south to richer nations in Europe’s north.”

    The NYT omits to mention that the “new arrivals” have also “badly strained” the lives and prospects of Europe’s own betrayed and now-screwed peoples. But the NYT probably thinks that Europe’s own peoples somehow deserve to be “badly strained.” Because “Racism.” Because “colonialism.” Because “xenophobia.” Because Multiculturalism is supposedly “on the right side of History.”

    “The Swedish Migration Agency said it would house 50 migrants in its headquarters, having run out of space in hotels, apartment buildings, tents, old army barracks and converted prisons.”

    Good. That ought to give the traitorous saps of the Swedish Migration Agency a healthy dose of the medicine they’ve been forcing down the throats of their own lesser countrymen. But, most likely, the Swedish Migration Agency tyrants will cherry pick the cream of the talented, well-off, most affable “migrants” to house in their headquarters, and dump the undesirable “migrants” into the neighborhoods of their lesser, unenlightened, un-enriched countrymen.

    Let me riff on Mr. Sailer’s “When all the problems of the world will no doubt be settled, so nobody will have an excuse anymore to head to Europe” with this snip of Bob Dylan lyric:

    “And nobody has to think to much about Desolation Row.”

  11. I don’t really know what to say anymore. This situation is so depressing and I’m suspect of any real solution. Our victories are Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland?

    I don’t think there’s going to be any big change, upheaval or anything like that. It’s bad for business and finance. We’re more likely to see the State act violently against native agitators than see any reversal. Mark Steyn quoted a minister in Bavaria saying that Germany will have 20 million Muslims in 5 years

    Does anyone have confidence that people will rise up and change this? Honestly.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs

    I don’t really know what to say anymore.

     

    I'm with you. I've just gotten to the point where I live my life, try to do the best I can, and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments.
  12. It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.

    RRW — Study: Middle Eastern refugees cost US $257,481 for family of four in first five years!

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    The only economy that benefits from the influx of immigrants is that of their country of origin. Each "refugee" departed for Europe's greener benefits pastures means one less unproductive mouth to feed, plus the prospect of an inflow of cash in the form of remittances.
  13. @Alfa158
    Johansson probably makes pretty good money in his position, so he probably has a nice size flat or house, plus almost all middle and up class Swedes I know have summer homes. What is his bedroom to children-at-home ratio? I'll bet he and the staff of his ministry could put a dent in the problem all by themselves just by taking the immigrants in as free boarders.
    Why don't some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    Why don’t some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and “darn straight!” in a Southern accent, it’s usually not such a good idea.

    Obviously, what’s happening in the EU and the U.S. is Darwin in action. One group of people simply isn’t fit. Another group of people is. In the past when I’ve presented actual, tangible, realistic, easy things people can do they did nothing, illustrating my point. Or, they respond with nonsensical smears (“Like all your comments, this one amounts to “Look at meeeee!”” by “5371” in response to a similar past comment).

    If non-elite whites are incapable of taking on and defeating lightweights like the head of the NYT editorial board or are too deranged to help those who can, then exactly what use are they?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I'm gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don't really deserve to exist as a people anymore. Why get angry? The traits that made our societies great are the same traits destroying us. It is what it is. Nothing lasts forever.
    , @27 year old
    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and “darn straight!” in a Southern accent, it’s usually not such a good idea.

    Similarly, if a plan, like, say, a twitter war, can't attract even a modicum of support among people who already agree with the ideals behind it...

  14. It seems to me that Europeans are going to have to decide between cultural suicide or mass deportations. Either way, things are going to get a lot more violent and ugly.

  15. @eah
    It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.

    RRW -- Study: Middle Eastern refugees cost US $257,481 for family of four in first five years!

    The only economy that benefits from the influx of immigrants is that of their country of origin. Each “refugee” departed for Europe’s greener benefits pastures means one less unproductive mouth to feed, plus the prospect of an inflow of cash in the form of remittances.

  16. @Luke Lea
    "It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that."

    I am starting to picture The Economy as a giant Leviathan that devours human beings. Its only imperative is growth.

    Growth for its own sake being the ideology of a cancer cell, as Ed Abbey said.

  17. Just pay the money. Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back. I am having trouble being too sympathetic to the local Europeans being displaced because again, they provoked the whole regime change and not don’t want to pay for the damages they caused. Housing Syrians in abandoned industrial buildings in forgotten towns is an amazing deal for property owners.

    • Replies: @anon
    So you're saying the people behind the attempted regime change in Syria should either take all the refugees in to their country or pay to rebuild Syria?
    , @27 year old
    Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back.

    Somehow, I doubt this
    , @AndrewR
    The countries most responsible for exacerbating the civil war (the US and the UK) are not the ones getting flooded. Well the UK is somewhat but the US isnt at all.
  18. @24AheadDotCom
    Why don’t some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and "darn straight!" in a Southern accent, it's usually not such a good idea.

    Obviously, what's happening in the EU and the U.S. is Darwin in action. One group of people simply isn't fit. Another group of people is. In the past when I've presented actual, tangible, realistic, easy things people can do they did nothing, illustrating my point. Or, they respond with nonsensical smears ("Like all your comments, this one amounts to “Look at meeeee!”" by "5371" in response to a similar past comment).

    If non-elite whites are incapable of taking on and defeating lightweights like the head of the NYT editorial board or are too deranged to help those who can, then exactly what use are they?

    I’m gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don’t really deserve to exist as a people anymore. Why get angry? The traits that made our societies great are the same traits destroying us. It is what it is. Nothing lasts forever.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I’m gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don’t really deserve to exist as a people anymore.
     
    They're not doing it of their own free will.
    , @TomSchmidt
    This would assume people have real control over their governments. The idea of Democracy, the God that Failed is that democratic politicians, because they don't own the country they rule, have an incentive to make long-run harmful decisions that benefit them in the short run. In this case, the benefit is status-whoring In front of other Davos-crowd people. Oh, and "The Economy."

    Even so, Sweden has one of the best governments in terms of voters per representative. (The USA a has over 700,000 citizens per member of the House of "Representatives." That's a joke.) if they won't vote out the traitors and vote in people who will uphold Swedish values, when they are doing so in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth, then they deserve, as a people, what they get.
  19. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @jacobsson
    I don't really know what to say anymore. This situation is so depressing and I'm suspect of any real solution. Our victories are Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland?

    I don't think there's going to be any big change, upheaval or anything like that. It's bad for business and finance. We're more likely to see the State act violently against native agitators than see any reversal. Mark Steyn quoted a minister in Bavaria saying that Germany will have 20 million Muslims in 5 years

    Does anyone have confidence that people will rise up and change this? Honestly.

    I don’t really know what to say anymore.

    I’m with you. I’ve just gotten to the point where I live my life, try to do the best I can, and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments.

    • Replies: @neutral
    "and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments."

    Which is the problem, you are still more concerned with your investments than the end of Western civilization, the fact that you (millions with the same view) do not want sacrifice anything means it will end.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Our investments--yours and mine--will be the first things to collapse.
  20. anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.

    That’s their achilles heel; they’re greed-blind and wrong on the economics.

    More people will increase GDP but that’s always been the wrong metric – what actually matters is things like GDP per capita, discretionary income, velocity of money etc and that’s what they are destroying.

    it’s all coming down

    • Replies: @Romanian
    If only I had some spare money! I'd invest in a factory making rapekits and export to EU countries!
  21. @george
    Just pay the money. Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back. I am having trouble being too sympathetic to the local Europeans being displaced because again, they provoked the whole regime change and not don't want to pay for the damages they caused. Housing Syrians in abandoned industrial buildings in forgotten towns is an amazing deal for property owners.

    So you’re saying the people behind the attempted regime change in Syria should either take all the refugees in to their country or pay to rebuild Syria?

  22. @Alfa158
    Johansson probably makes pretty good money in his position, so he probably has a nice size flat or house, plus almost all middle and up class Swedes I know have summer homes. What is his bedroom to children-at-home ratio? I'll bet he and the staff of his ministry could put a dent in the problem all by themselves just by taking the immigrants in as free boarders.
    Why don't some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    It’s a very good idea Alfa – but like yourself I don’t know why people who are opposed to demographic replacement & cultural self-destruction don’t actually DO these things. Nobody listens, any attempt to debate the subject just gets shrieked down as ‘phobic’ of some sort, as well as being socially ostracized and put at very real risk of physical harm. Time to start learning from our enemies and begin deploying their own tactics against them, as well as the suggestion you put forward. Better to make our enemies take a face full of shit before we fade into ethno-cultural oblivion.

  23. Roll over Beethoven, tell Tchaikovsky the news

  24. @German_reader
    "One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid"

    I hope they don't get any, let Sweden burn, as a warning to other European countries. If I hadn't the misfortune of living here, I'd feel the same way about Germany...the conformist stupidity on display here is astounding (I just read that a Christian Democrat member of Parliament believes Syrians are the "Prussians of the Orient", skilled, industrious and efficient, and will solve Germany's demographic problems...). Don't know how Nordicists got the idiotic idea that Germanics are somehow superior, on the contrary, they seem to be the weakest, most timid and most stupid of all Europeans.

    I agree. I feel that Sweden is on its own now, they let this sh*t happen for decades. Finland will be abused by Sweden, but hopefully, will prevail in not letting in so many migrant men from MENA.

    Sweden has caused this problem…they must learn a hard lesson from all their years of having such uncontrollable, pompous hubris on their side (their mineral wealth/old money wealth and all) but now, who cares? Sweden is a cartoon-character country. The question is: which cartoon?

  25. Ok, this the last ridiculous thought coming out of my head before I have to sleep and produce tomorrow: so, because most northern EU countries have never had a large underclass (that 47% Mitt spoke about) and, that there has never BEEN an underclass in most EU countries; is it even barely conceivable that EU countries will be more like USA/Canada in a few years? In that, we have a had an underclass for a long time. Didn’t Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!

    Does each EU country just have to accept the fact that they will, from now on, in addition to their own continuous collection of poor citizens, have to “grow” a larger underclass? That all formerly classless EU countries, will now have a 47% can’t-speak-the-national-language/don’t wanna learn it/no skills/no higher ed/no motivation group of people…but, “where do I get my unemployment check” people?

    • Replies: @Boris Notspasky

    Didn’t Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!
     
    No.

    Jesus said it.

    Just letting you know.
    , @Anonymous
    The endpoint is not a permanent underclass of distinct minorities. There will be a lot of race mixing and that will change the appearance of the European majority in EU countries. It will be like Brazil where whites and browns are the majority racial identity while blacks are still a minority but quite often continue to mix with the majority.
  26. I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?"

    The figures widely cited estimate the numbers of migrants at around 10,000 per day. I'm not sure if that includes the migrants on boats being "rescued" in the Mediterranean often just miles from Libyan shores and brought ashore in Italy, or if that's only the number coming via Turkey and Greece. So 10,000 a day means 3.6 million a year. Winter is coming, but it's doubtful that will do much to slow the pace. One can safely assume that the coming of winter is offset by the number or would-be migrants who are just now starting on their journeys. And of course the West's fifth column will use winter as an excuse to fly them from the camps, Greece, or wherever straight into Germany and Sweden.

    Whatever numbers arrive via the migrant trail will be augmented substantially when those allowed to stay petition to bring their wives, children, siblings, etc. in as well. Given all that, 5-10 million by the end of next year doesn't seem so ridiculous. And that's 5-10 million people virtually all of whom are of child-bearing age or below, and who tend to have much higher birthrates than the natives. The demographic impact on Europe will be far greater than whatever percent of the European population they may be.
    , @anon
    Not really. Some countries have put up border fences alongside the route to Germany to protect themselves but there's currently still an open route through Serbia IIRC.

    Plus there's also swarms coming over the med from Libya - the media won't film them because they're obviously African and not Syrian.
  27. @Lagertha
    Ok, this the last ridiculous thought coming out of my head before I have to sleep and produce tomorrow: so, because most northern EU countries have never had a large underclass (that 47% Mitt spoke about) and, that there has never BEEN an underclass in most EU countries; is it even barely conceivable that EU countries will be more like USA/Canada in a few years? In that, we have a had an underclass for a long time. Didn't Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!

    Does each EU country just have to accept the fact that they will, from now on, in addition to their own continuous collection of poor citizens, have to "grow" a larger underclass? That all formerly classless EU countries, will now have a 47% can't-speak-the-national-language/don't wanna learn it/no skills/no higher ed/no motivation group of people...but, "where do I get my unemployment check" people?

    Didn’t Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!

    No.

    Jesus said it.

    Just letting you know.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Ha, ha! My "duh" of the week! Despite passing my confirmation classes 40 years ago, I did read more Shakespeare than the Bible!
  28. I think that W. Bush should have finished given Merkel her back rub. She seems someone who is under a lot of pressure.

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?

    “I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?”

    The figures widely cited estimate the numbers of migrants at around 10,000 per day. I’m not sure if that includes the migrants on boats being “rescued” in the Mediterranean often just miles from Libyan shores and brought ashore in Italy, or if that’s only the number coming via Turkey and Greece. So 10,000 a day means 3.6 million a year. Winter is coming, but it’s doubtful that will do much to slow the pace. One can safely assume that the coming of winter is offset by the number or would-be migrants who are just now starting on their journeys. And of course the West’s fifth column will use winter as an excuse to fly them from the camps, Greece, or wherever straight into Germany and Sweden.

    Whatever numbers arrive via the migrant trail will be augmented substantially when those allowed to stay petition to bring their wives, children, siblings, etc. in as well. Given all that, 5-10 million by the end of next year doesn’t seem so ridiculous. And that’s 5-10 million people virtually all of whom are of child-bearing age or below, and who tend to have much higher birthrates than the natives. The demographic impact on Europe will be far greater than whatever percent of the European population they may be.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Notice how nobody is speaking at all anymore about what is happening in the Mediterranean. It's all about Syrian refugees now, but there is a whole other front of illegal immigration that is underreported.
  30. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    About doing stuff, maybe it’s worth thinking of the people of a nation like a mule. It takes a lot of making it really plain to them to get them to move. It often seems like it isn’t worth it. But if you keep it up eventually they get the idea. Then, of course, they act like it was their idea all along.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Britain must leave the EU at the upcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, I have strong doubts in the wisdom of the British electorate in making the right decision. Especially in the face of a massive propaganda campaign financed by the richest of big business and conducted by the most ruthless of the world’s professional dirty liars.

    • Replies: @Niccolo Salo
    For the sake of Europe let's hope that the UK does leave the EU. As even the Brits admit, the presence of the UK in the EU only served to act as a spoiler on the continent. The USA is insisting that the UK remain within the EU to act as its trojan horse (with the hope that a Turkish entry would allow them two trojan horses).

    The UK belongs in the Anglosphere, as it has for centuries sought to keep Europe divided amongst itself. Let it leave the EU and welcome as many Pakis, Hindis, Nigerians, etc. and not have to suffer any more Polish plumbers.
    , @FineSwine
    Most immigration to Britain comes from outside the EU. Leaving the EU will not change this.
  32. So when is Putin going to invade Europe and be greeted as a savior? 2020?

  33. Bye bye cute blondie girls. The industry for blow-up blonde sex dolls is set to boom over the coming decades.

  34. @anon

    It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.
     
    That's their achilles heel; they're greed-blind and wrong on the economics.

    More people will increase GDP but that's always been the wrong metric - what actually matters is things like GDP per capita, discretionary income, velocity of money etc and that's what they are destroying.

    it's all coming down

    If only I had some spare money! I’d invest in a factory making rapekits and export to EU countries!

  35. @Wilkey
    "I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?"

    The figures widely cited estimate the numbers of migrants at around 10,000 per day. I'm not sure if that includes the migrants on boats being "rescued" in the Mediterranean often just miles from Libyan shores and brought ashore in Italy, or if that's only the number coming via Turkey and Greece. So 10,000 a day means 3.6 million a year. Winter is coming, but it's doubtful that will do much to slow the pace. One can safely assume that the coming of winter is offset by the number or would-be migrants who are just now starting on their journeys. And of course the West's fifth column will use winter as an excuse to fly them from the camps, Greece, or wherever straight into Germany and Sweden.

    Whatever numbers arrive via the migrant trail will be augmented substantially when those allowed to stay petition to bring their wives, children, siblings, etc. in as well. Given all that, 5-10 million by the end of next year doesn't seem so ridiculous. And that's 5-10 million people virtually all of whom are of child-bearing age or below, and who tend to have much higher birthrates than the natives. The demographic impact on Europe will be far greater than whatever percent of the European population they may be.

    Notice how nobody is speaking at all anymore about what is happening in the Mediterranean. It’s all about Syrian refugees now, but there is a whole other front of illegal immigration that is underreported.

  36. The earth mother goddess worshiping Europeans were helpless against the Yamnaya invaders. NO reason to think this will be different.

  37. @German_reader
    "One of the more affluent countries, Sweden, said Thursday that it would apply for emergency E.U. aid"

    I hope they don't get any, let Sweden burn, as a warning to other European countries. If I hadn't the misfortune of living here, I'd feel the same way about Germany...the conformist stupidity on display here is astounding (I just read that a Christian Democrat member of Parliament believes Syrians are the "Prussians of the Orient", skilled, industrious and efficient, and will solve Germany's demographic problems...). Don't know how Nordicists got the idiotic idea that Germanics are somehow superior, on the contrary, they seem to be the weakest, most timid and most stupid of all Europeans.

    I don’t really understand it, but even though I have blood from that general area (not Sweden exactly), it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes, who know nothing and prescribe their derivative brand of PC idiocy on the world. What an especially stupid, naive people. I mean, most white countries are stupidly PC and somewhat sanctimonious about it, but the Swedes take it to that next level.

    BTW I thought to google “sanctimonious stupid swede” and got an article by Taki.

    http://www.nypress.com/swedes-are-bores/

    • Replies: @anon

    it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes
     
    It's not the Swedes; it's an upper middle class minority who dominate politics and the media who are sacrificing the majority of their population to the PC god.
  38. Lind on Carrol Quigley’s book Weapons Systems and Political Stability: A History

    , Quigley continually criticizes ancient societies for their lack of “democracy” and failure to include peasants in the political process, and he contrasts “peaceful”, goddess-worshiping, matriarchal, agrarian societies against warlike, patriarchal societies of hunters who worshiped male gods

    Among the Indo-Europeans, however, these attributes were much intensified and distorted by their religious history … to create an almost psychopathic outlook…

    Germany is now totally safe with no enemies on its borders, so without external pressure it can go to the opposite extreme from militarism and instead of idealising masculine virtues, go back to the caring and sharing nature worship of its roots. Merkel has acted on this. Unfortunately, and as a German once said, “all higher values devalue themselves”. The outlook of Europeans especially in north Europe is oh-so-advanced (environmentalism, animal welfare, special Olympics) and openness to immigration, which creates a vulnerability. It is not exactly a disparity in weapon technology it is a unilateral moral disarmament or disparity in outlook, but the effect is the same. They can kiss their current values goodbye.

  39. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I was under the impression that crossing into Europe is more difficult now due to the border fences being built. Is 3 million really plausible?

    Not really. Some countries have put up border fences alongside the route to Germany to protect themselves but there’s currently still an open route through Serbia IIRC.

    Plus there’s also swarms coming over the med from Libya – the media won’t film them because they’re obviously African and not Syrian.

  40. The rule of threes:

    When a man tells you how many women he’s slept with, divide that number by three.

    When a woman tells you how many men she’s slept with, multiply that number by three.

    So when Europe tells you she’s spread her legs for 760,000 illegals, 2,280,000 is probably a more accurate estimate.

  41. @WhatEvvs

    I don’t really know what to say anymore.

     

    I'm with you. I've just gotten to the point where I live my life, try to do the best I can, and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments.

    “and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments.”

    Which is the problem, you are still more concerned with your investments than the end of Western civilization, the fact that you (millions with the same view) do not want sacrifice anything means it will end.

  42. @24AheadDotCom
    Why don’t some of the Swedish nationalists who give liberal Swedes a dose of diversity by driving through yuppie neighborhoods blaring the call to prayer from sound trucks find out where these asshats live, and provide taxi service from the refugee centers to the their homes?

    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and "darn straight!" in a Southern accent, it's usually not such a good idea.

    Obviously, what's happening in the EU and the U.S. is Darwin in action. One group of people simply isn't fit. Another group of people is. In the past when I've presented actual, tangible, realistic, easy things people can do they did nothing, illustrating my point. Or, they respond with nonsensical smears ("Like all your comments, this one amounts to “Look at meeeee!”" by "5371" in response to a similar past comment).

    If non-elite whites are incapable of taking on and defeating lightweights like the head of the NYT editorial board or are too deranged to help those who can, then exactly what use are they?

    If an idea is most appropriately followed by the sound of a bear bottle being slammed on the bar and “darn straight!” in a Southern accent, it’s usually not such a good idea.

    Similarly, if a plan, like, say, a twitter war, can’t attract even a modicum of support among people who already agree with the ideals behind it…

  43. @george
    Just pay the money. Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back. I am having trouble being too sympathetic to the local Europeans being displaced because again, they provoked the whole regime change and not don't want to pay for the damages they caused. Housing Syrians in abandoned industrial buildings in forgotten towns is an amazing deal for property owners.

    Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back.

    Somehow, I doubt this

  44. @AndrewR
    I'm gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don't really deserve to exist as a people anymore. Why get angry? The traits that made our societies great are the same traits destroying us. It is what it is. Nothing lasts forever.

    I’m gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don’t really deserve to exist as a people anymore.

    They’re not doing it of their own free will.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Many if not most are. One could argue that they're brainwashed but theyre still responsible for their beliefs.
    , @Stan D Mute

    They’re not doing it of their own free will.
     
    What, exactly, are they doing to resist? Do they have armed civilians on the borders arresting the invaders? Blockades of the buses by mobs of angry citizens? Everything I see is mobs tearfully greeting their conquerors with gifts and expressions of love. There are the reports of arson of empty buildings, but those don't seem organized. My point of comparison is America of course and her own response to the Central American Indian invasion which has been pathetically weak but still keeps our government from issuing invitations to the invaders.
  45. @Kenneth A. Regas
    “If managed properly, the inflow of refugees will have a small favorable effect on growth in the short and medium term,”

    A favorable effect on per-capita growth? I'm guessing maybe not, but who wants to be stickler for fine points?

    Ken

    A favorable effect on per-capita growth? I’m guessing maybe not, but who wants to be stickler for fine points?

    It is BS propaganda. Broken windows economics. Just as if I come to your house and take a dump on your floor, that causes growth because you will hire an environmental waste company to come clean the mess. The propagandist admits this when he says the “growth” comes from government spending. So it’s broken windows, redistributionist, and inflationary to the extent the government prints the money rather than confiscating it. But why allow reality to intrude into an otherwise lovely genocide?

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha
    Ok, this the last ridiculous thought coming out of my head before I have to sleep and produce tomorrow: so, because most northern EU countries have never had a large underclass (that 47% Mitt spoke about) and, that there has never BEEN an underclass in most EU countries; is it even barely conceivable that EU countries will be more like USA/Canada in a few years? In that, we have a had an underclass for a long time. Didn't Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!

    Does each EU country just have to accept the fact that they will, from now on, in addition to their own continuous collection of poor citizens, have to "grow" a larger underclass? That all formerly classless EU countries, will now have a 47% can't-speak-the-national-language/don't wanna learn it/no skills/no higher ed/no motivation group of people...but, "where do I get my unemployment check" people?

    The endpoint is not a permanent underclass of distinct minorities. There will be a lot of race mixing and that will change the appearance of the European majority in EU countries. It will be like Brazil where whites and browns are the majority racial identity while blacks are still a minority but quite often continue to mix with the majority.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    But, I don't see that ever happening in Europe : the race mixing/Brazil-like future epoch. Main reason for my skepticism: Islam. Take Finland, for instance: most people in Finland are very private about religion. The Lutheran church draws its finances from the state; schools still require religion (Lutheran) in class throughout the primary & secondary schools. There are exemptions made for Jews, for Hindu/Buddhist/Confucian/Daoist/Muslim/and, "none of the above." But, Finns resent SJW's (especially from the EU nerds) if they are screaming down the Lutheran religion; overtaxed public doesn't want to pay for YET ANOTHER RELIGIOUS FACTION. Islam is incompatible to everything the Nordic countries believe, stand for, have fought for, have suffered for, and are all about today.

    So, I see horrible separate neighborhoods/ghettos developing (getting larger with no end in sight) in Europe because Islam has been incompatible with western, Scandinavian cultures forever...always will be. And, because I can't resist this impulse: because; Nordic women! - OT, some Finnish girls I know have bought personal guns - one of them showed me a pink gun, of all things! With the EU, guns are readily bought in Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen, Helsinki.

    Also, to your idea of Brazil being an example of race melting pot...well, I think Brazil is mellow and great, but it will never be an "equality of the races/ethnicity-example-to-the-world either. Islam is a solid, problem-causing group in Brazil to restrict and destroy that crazy Brazil we love. I mean, what happens to the trannies of Mardi Gras, for instance, if Islamic immigrants in Brazil of the future chop their heads (or whatever) off? What about the beach culture and bikinis? In Brazil, everyone wants to just get along. Many are Catholic, if not most. The beaches are gorgeous; surfing is a real culture where you can earn a living; and, the ecological spectacles (rivers & waterfalls) are still intact (not polluted and destroyed with river run-off - mining, yet ). Brazil is still a "savage" land compared to Germany & Scandinavia. And, Muslim culture has no presence or pull.

  47. @ben tillman

    I’m gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don’t really deserve to exist as a people anymore.
     
    They're not doing it of their own free will.

    Many if not most are. One could argue that they’re brainwashed but theyre still responsible for their beliefs.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Many if not most are. One could argue that they’re brainwashed but theyre still responsible for their beliefs.
     
    No, they're not. How could someone possibly be responsible for his own beliefs? It's logically impossible.
  48. @ben tillman

    I’m gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don’t really deserve to exist as a people anymore.
     
    They're not doing it of their own free will.

    They’re not doing it of their own free will.

    What, exactly, are they doing to resist? Do they have armed civilians on the borders arresting the invaders? Blockades of the buses by mobs of angry citizens? Everything I see is mobs tearfully greeting their conquerors with gifts and expressions of love. There are the reports of arson of empty buildings, but those don’t seem organized. My point of comparison is America of course and her own response to the Central American Indian invasion which has been pathetically weak but still keeps our government from issuing invitations to the invaders.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    What, exactly, are they doing to resist?
     
    That's totally non-responsive. The point is that their minds have been hijacked. Obviously, they wouldn't be resisting.
  49. Thursday’s European Commission report predicted a modest overall economic boost from the migrant influx, citing higher government spending

    That’s the “broken windows fallacy”:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

    • Replies: @Sean
    That is the report on the future increase in window breakers by the glazier.
    , @Anon7
    Don't forget that economists will tell you that war has the same effect of stimulating the economy. I'll bet that if a study of the economic effects of mass migration included the likely jihads and other internal wars that will result in a generation, they would show a net positive effect on the economies of European countries.
  50. I’m sure that it’s been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men.

    Let’s take Germany as an example. Assume that 800,000 refugees will enter in 2016. With a population of 80 million, the refugees would comprise 1% of the population. However, the refugees’ gender and ages are not spread evenly. Let’s ball park that 600,000 of the refugees are men between the ages of 18 and 33.

    Now, let’s ball park the current number of German men between 18 and 33. Well, men make up about half of Germany’s population, so 40 million. Let’s say that the average lifespan is 75 years (of course that means half of German men die earlier but let’s just use 75), so 40 million divided by 75 is ~500,000. So, between the ages of 18 and 33, you’d have ~7.5 million German men (500k X 15). Therefore, if you add the 600k of refugee men to the 7.5 million German men, you’d get 8.1 million. The 600k would comprise 7.4% of that 8.1 million.

    Given that the refugee men will likely send for wives and have children at least on pace with the Germans, that 7.4% figure will eventually be true for the entire population.

    In one year, Germany will increase its long-term Muslim/non-European population from its current ~6% to 13.5%. In. One. Year. (Actually, if we’re talking about long-term population, that 6% figure is likely too low. I’d be shocked if the percent of births in Germany to Muslim/non-Europeans isn’t much higher.)

    A couple of years of that level of immigration plus a higher birthrate for non-Germans would spell the end of Germany as we know it in a generation or two. What’s going on in Europe is astonishing. Has no one done the simple math on the situation?

    • Replies: @Sean
    Hundreds of thousands of German women will have children with the immigrants and a similar number of ethnic German men will never reproduce because of it. The German Green party thinks it is great.

    Paul Gottfried:-


    Jurgen Trittin, who now heads the German Green Party, is already ecstatic that his country is being overwhelmed by Asian Muslim migrants: “Each day Germany is disappearing more and more; and this is a truly wonderful thing!” exults Trittin, [YouTube ( In German)]
     
    One could say it's like Tritten and his party were openly supporting something like paedophilia, except he and they already have openly supported the sexual molestation of children. http://www.theguardian.com/world/german-elections-blog-2013/2013/sep/16/german-green-jurgen-trittin-regret-paedophilia-pamphlet
    , @Wilkey
    "I’m sure that it’s been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men."

    I have pointed this out repeatedly on earlier threads on the subject. The median age in Germany is 46.5 years: 45.4 years for men, 47.6 years for women. For the purposes of reproduction over half of the German population is effectively dead. Meanwhile virtually all of the migrants coming into Germany are in their prime reproductive years or younger. They will petition to bring their wives, fiances, and children. They will breed immediately and frequently.

    People really have no concept of how seemingly small amounts of immigration can have huge demographic consequences.
  51. @International Jew

    Thursday’s European Commission report predicted a modest overall economic boost from the migrant influx, citing higher government spending
     
    That's the "broken windows fallacy":
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

    That is the report on the future increase in window breakers by the glazier.

  52. @AndrewR
    I'm gradually coming around to your point of view. Any people who just sit back and welcome an invasion of unassimilable and often hostile ethnic aliens don't really deserve to exist as a people anymore. Why get angry? The traits that made our societies great are the same traits destroying us. It is what it is. Nothing lasts forever.

    This would assume people have real control over their governments. The idea of Democracy, the God that Failed is that democratic politicians, because they don’t own the country they rule, have an incentive to make long-run harmful decisions that benefit them in the short run. In this case, the benefit is status-whoring In front of other Davos-crowd people. Oh, and “The Economy.”

    Even so, Sweden has one of the best governments in terms of voters per representative. (The USA a has over 700,000 citizens per member of the House of “Representatives.” That’s a joke.) if they won’t vote out the traitors and vote in people who will uphold Swedish values, when they are doing so in the privacy and anonymity of the voting booth, then they deserve, as a people, what they get.

  53. Despite the strain, Thursday’s European Commission report predicted a modest overall economic boost from the migrant influx, citing higher government spending and an expanded labor pool.

    Most perverse Keynesian variant I’ve heard of so far.

  54. @Coemgen

    It’s good for The Economy, so that settles that.
     
    It's all in the book.

    They're flexing their muscles and moving forward. They really believe the future will be cities - oases of elites - situated within vast fields of organically grown crops. The morlocks will tend the fields until they can be replaced by robots. It will be a good life for those who make the cut.

    How very Corbusian.

  55. @Boris Notspasky

    Didn’t Shakespeare say that the poor are always with us? I know someone out there will let me know!
     
    No.

    Jesus said it.

    Just letting you know.

    Ha, ha! My “duh” of the week! Despite passing my confirmation classes 40 years ago, I did read more Shakespeare than the Bible!

  56. • Replies: @German_reader
    "And not watered down later…"

    DeMaiziere (the minister of the interior) has already more or less taken it back, and the Social Democrats have let out howls of outrage. I had some hope too (for about half an hour) that this might be the first step towards sanity, but now it seems everything will go on as before.
  57. @george
    Just pay the money. Rebuild the Syria NATO destroyed and the Syrians will mostly move back. I am having trouble being too sympathetic to the local Europeans being displaced because again, they provoked the whole regime change and not don't want to pay for the damages they caused. Housing Syrians in abandoned industrial buildings in forgotten towns is an amazing deal for property owners.

    The countries most responsible for exacerbating the civil war (the US and the UK) are not the ones getting flooded. Well the UK is somewhat but the US isnt at all.

    • Replies: @anon
    The US and UK are already being flooded by other means.

    Germany wasn't.

    Hence Merkel only obeying orders.
  58. @Anonymous
    "‘They told us we were going to Frankfurt, but we've ended up in this wilderness': Migrants turn up their noses at 'boring' German village... and some have already left"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3303546/We-simply-t-cope-numbers-200-migrants-arrive-tiny-German-village-quadrupling-population-just-two-days.html

    Good find. And didn’t I see a video recently about how the Swedes are agonizing about how they are going to build another Stockholm for immigrants? The current one took 800 years to build…

  59. @International Jew

    Thursday’s European Commission report predicted a modest overall economic boost from the migrant influx, citing higher government spending
     
    That's the "broken windows fallacy":
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

    Don’t forget that economists will tell you that war has the same effect of stimulating the economy. I’ll bet that if a study of the economic effects of mass migration included the likely jihads and other internal wars that will result in a generation, they would show a net positive effect on the economies of European countries.

  60. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm sure that it's been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men.

    Let's take Germany as an example. Assume that 800,000 refugees will enter in 2016. With a population of 80 million, the refugees would comprise 1% of the population. However, the refugees' gender and ages are not spread evenly. Let's ball park that 600,000 of the refugees are men between the ages of 18 and 33.

    Now, let's ball park the current number of German men between 18 and 33. Well, men make up about half of Germany's population, so 40 million. Let's say that the average lifespan is 75 years (of course that means half of German men die earlier but let's just use 75), so 40 million divided by 75 is ~500,000. So, between the ages of 18 and 33, you'd have ~7.5 million German men (500k X 15). Therefore, if you add the 600k of refugee men to the 7.5 million German men, you'd get 8.1 million. The 600k would comprise 7.4% of that 8.1 million.

    Given that the refugee men will likely send for wives and have children at least on pace with the Germans, that 7.4% figure will eventually be true for the entire population.

    In one year, Germany will increase its long-term Muslim/non-European population from its current ~6% to 13.5%. In. One. Year. (Actually, if we're talking about long-term population, that 6% figure is likely too low. I'd be shocked if the percent of births in Germany to Muslim/non-Europeans isn't much higher.)

    A couple of years of that level of immigration plus a higher birthrate for non-Germans would spell the end of Germany as we know it in a generation or two. What's going on in Europe is astonishing. Has no one done the simple math on the situation?

    Hundreds of thousands of German women will have children with the immigrants and a similar number of ethnic German men will never reproduce because of it. The German Green party thinks it is great.

    Paul Gottfried:-

    Jurgen Trittin, who now heads the German Green Party, is already ecstatic that his country is being overwhelmed by Asian Muslim migrants: “Each day Germany is disappearing more and more; and this is a truly wonderful thing!” exults Trittin, [YouTube ( In German)]

    One could say it’s like Tritten and his party were openly supporting something like paedophilia, except he and they already have openly supported the sexual molestation of children. http://www.theguardian.com/world/german-elections-blog-2013/2013/sep/16/german-green-jurgen-trittin-regret-paedophilia-pamphlet

  61. @Anonymous
    Steve did you see this?

    http://m.faz.net/;cookieEnabled=0/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/weitere-verschaerfung-koalition-verbietet-familiennachzug-fuer-syrische-fluechtlinge-13898296.html

    Best news in a while, if true. And not watered down later...

    “And not watered down later…”

    DeMaiziere (the minister of the interior) has already more or less taken it back, and the Social Democrats have let out howls of outrage. I had some hope too (for about half an hour) that this might be the first step towards sanity, but now it seems everything will go on as before.

  62. @WhatEvvs

    I don’t really know what to say anymore.

     

    I'm with you. I've just gotten to the point where I live my life, try to do the best I can, and hope that the system collapses, but not to the point where it affects my investments.

    Our investments–yours and mine–will be the first things to collapse.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    I know that, Harry. The internet is not the best way to express nuance.
  63. @Anonymous
    Britain must leave the EU at the upcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, I have strong doubts in the wisdom of the British electorate in making the right decision. Especially in the face of a massive propaganda campaign financed by the richest of big business and conducted by the most ruthless of the world's professional dirty liars.

    For the sake of Europe let’s hope that the UK does leave the EU. As even the Brits admit, the presence of the UK in the EU only served to act as a spoiler on the continent. The USA is insisting that the UK remain within the EU to act as its trojan horse (with the hope that a Turkish entry would allow them two trojan horses).

    The UK belongs in the Anglosphere, as it has for centuries sought to keep Europe divided amongst itself. Let it leave the EU and welcome as many Pakis, Hindis, Nigerians, etc. and not have to suffer any more Polish plumbers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yep.


    And Italy is doing so well out of the EU.

    The euro currency has ruined its economy leading to permanent stagnation and depression, and some horrific unemployment figures. All this combined with zero growth, an ageing population and enormous fiscal deficits.
    - and there is absolutely no end in sight.
    The EU subverted Italian democracy by getting rid of a democratically elected president and putting its own placeman in charge - all in order to 'save' that shitty albatross Franco/German euro currency - which is killing Italy.

    Oh, and that little fact that EU rules FORCE Italy to take in hundreds of thousands if black and brown 'migrants' - like patsy fools - every year.

    The problem with Italy is that after their horrific, absolute and total defeat of Mussolini's madness and megalomania after WW2, they lost all self-respect and just became America's, Germany's, France's, the EU's etc poodle.
  64. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm sure that it's been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men.

    Let's take Germany as an example. Assume that 800,000 refugees will enter in 2016. With a population of 80 million, the refugees would comprise 1% of the population. However, the refugees' gender and ages are not spread evenly. Let's ball park that 600,000 of the refugees are men between the ages of 18 and 33.

    Now, let's ball park the current number of German men between 18 and 33. Well, men make up about half of Germany's population, so 40 million. Let's say that the average lifespan is 75 years (of course that means half of German men die earlier but let's just use 75), so 40 million divided by 75 is ~500,000. So, between the ages of 18 and 33, you'd have ~7.5 million German men (500k X 15). Therefore, if you add the 600k of refugee men to the 7.5 million German men, you'd get 8.1 million. The 600k would comprise 7.4% of that 8.1 million.

    Given that the refugee men will likely send for wives and have children at least on pace with the Germans, that 7.4% figure will eventually be true for the entire population.

    In one year, Germany will increase its long-term Muslim/non-European population from its current ~6% to 13.5%. In. One. Year. (Actually, if we're talking about long-term population, that 6% figure is likely too low. I'd be shocked if the percent of births in Germany to Muslim/non-Europeans isn't much higher.)

    A couple of years of that level of immigration plus a higher birthrate for non-Germans would spell the end of Germany as we know it in a generation or two. What's going on in Europe is astonishing. Has no one done the simple math on the situation?

    “I’m sure that it’s been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men.”

    I have pointed this out repeatedly on earlier threads on the subject. The median age in Germany is 46.5 years: 45.4 years for men, 47.6 years for women. For the purposes of reproduction over half of the German population is effectively dead. Meanwhile virtually all of the migrants coming into Germany are in their prime reproductive years or younger. They will petition to bring their wives, fiances, and children. They will breed immediately and frequently.

    People really have no concept of how seemingly small amounts of immigration can have huge demographic consequences.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Germany has 81 million people. The average lifespan is 80.89 years. Assume an even age and gender distribution, so that you have 1 million Germans age 21, one million age 22, etc. (it actually skews older), half of whom are men. That means you have 10 million men in Germany between the ages of 18-38.

    About 75% of the "refugees" appear to be men., the vast majority between 18-38. According to secret German government estimates, they expect 1.5 million refugees in 2015 alone. That means over 1 million new men in Germany between the ages of 18-38. That means that 9% of the now 11 million men in Germany will be refugees who arrived in just one year. That doesn't count those who'll arrive next year.

    By early next year over 10% of German men ages 18-38 will be refugees. By the end of next year, at current rates, refugees (virtually all of them Muslim) could be 15-20% of men in Germany. And they will still be coming. Let that one sink in. There is really no way to explain how ridiculously insane this is.

  65. @Wilkey
    "I’m sure that it’s been mentioned before but it bears repeating. These figures that a particular wave of refugees will be 1% or 2% of a population grossly understate the true impact on the country because the refugees are overwhelmingly young men."

    I have pointed this out repeatedly on earlier threads on the subject. The median age in Germany is 46.5 years: 45.4 years for men, 47.6 years for women. For the purposes of reproduction over half of the German population is effectively dead. Meanwhile virtually all of the migrants coming into Germany are in their prime reproductive years or younger. They will petition to bring their wives, fiances, and children. They will breed immediately and frequently.

    People really have no concept of how seemingly small amounts of immigration can have huge demographic consequences.

    Germany has 81 million people. The average lifespan is 80.89 years. Assume an even age and gender distribution, so that you have 1 million Germans age 21, one million age 22, etc. (it actually skews older), half of whom are men. That means you have 10 million men in Germany between the ages of 18-38.

    About 75% of the “refugees” appear to be men., the vast majority between 18-38. According to secret German government estimates, they expect 1.5 million refugees in 2015 alone. That means over 1 million new men in Germany between the ages of 18-38. That means that 9% of the now 11 million men in Germany will be refugees who arrived in just one year. That doesn’t count those who’ll arrive next year.

    By early next year over 10% of German men ages 18-38 will be refugees. By the end of next year, at current rates, refugees (virtually all of them Muslim) could be 15-20% of men in Germany. And they will still be coming. Let that one sink in. There is really no way to explain how ridiculously insane this is.

  66. @Anonymous
    The endpoint is not a permanent underclass of distinct minorities. There will be a lot of race mixing and that will change the appearance of the European majority in EU countries. It will be like Brazil where whites and browns are the majority racial identity while blacks are still a minority but quite often continue to mix with the majority.

    But, I don’t see that ever happening in Europe : the race mixing/Brazil-like future epoch. Main reason for my skepticism: Islam. Take Finland, for instance: most people in Finland are very private about religion. The Lutheran church draws its finances from the state; schools still require religion (Lutheran) in class throughout the primary & secondary schools. There are exemptions made for Jews, for Hindu/Buddhist/Confucian/Daoist/Muslim/and, “none of the above.” But, Finns resent SJW’s (especially from the EU nerds) if they are screaming down the Lutheran religion; overtaxed public doesn’t want to pay for YET ANOTHER RELIGIOUS FACTION. Islam is incompatible to everything the Nordic countries believe, stand for, have fought for, have suffered for, and are all about today.

    So, I see horrible separate neighborhoods/ghettos developing (getting larger with no end in sight) in Europe because Islam has been incompatible with western, Scandinavian cultures forever…always will be. And, because I can’t resist this impulse: because; Nordic women! – OT, some Finnish girls I know have bought personal guns – one of them showed me a pink gun, of all things! With the EU, guns are readily bought in Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen, Helsinki.

    Also, to your idea of Brazil being an example of race melting pot…well, I think Brazil is mellow and great, but it will never be an “equality of the races/ethnicity-example-to-the-world either. Islam is a solid, problem-causing group in Brazil to restrict and destroy that crazy Brazil we love. I mean, what happens to the trannies of Mardi Gras, for instance, if Islamic immigrants in Brazil of the future chop their heads (or whatever) off? What about the beach culture and bikinis? In Brazil, everyone wants to just get along. Many are Catholic, if not most. The beaches are gorgeous; surfing is a real culture where you can earn a living; and, the ecological spectacles (rivers & waterfalls) are still intact (not polluted and destroyed with river run-off – mining, yet ). Brazil is still a “savage” land compared to Germany & Scandinavia. And, Muslim culture has no presence or pull.

  67. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “What’s going on in Europe is astonishing. Has no one done the simple math on the situation?”

    I don’t think modern Western liberals, elities, PC politicians, call them what you will, are mentally capable of doing the math. Oh, they could do the calculations. But they cannot emotionally go there. They have to feel the epiphany of the Statue of Liberty moment when the refugees are overwhelmed with gratitude toward them and everything becomes wonderful and works out happily every after. It’s fiction. They’ve read it so often and seen it so often on the screen that it is how they think. They are living in fiction. The real math doesn’t matter to fiction.

    Their fictional bearings are dangerous.

  68. Last thought of the day: when complete colony collapse of pollination coinciding with water scarcity happens, then everyone slowly dies. The oceans which are already acidic, combined with fertilizer usage which has enhanced the deadly bacteria-laden green algae/oxygen sucking agent in lakes, and sounds, show that we are doomed as far as drinking water. So, yeah, I hope I am dead before that, that my sons are long dead as well…but my point is: arguing about your particular, fracking god and that god’s greatness is a moot point when western science/engineering of the last 100 years doesn’t discriminate, and shows you that you are a fool. Odin wins. Of course, Darwin will be laughing at you if you make it to heaven.

    Migrants that are Muslim do not want to assimilate, give up Islam for good when they take up life in Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland. They will force Islam on our ancient lands.

  69. @Anonymous
    Britain must leave the EU at the upcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, I have strong doubts in the wisdom of the British electorate in making the right decision. Especially in the face of a massive propaganda campaign financed by the richest of big business and conducted by the most ruthless of the world's professional dirty liars.

    Most immigration to Britain comes from outside the EU. Leaving the EU will not change this.

    • Replies: @anon
    Yes it will.

    The europhiles are behind the non-eu immigration as well so if the europhiles are defeated common sense will prevail.
    , @Anonymous
    Not really my point at all.

    Thank god that John Major 'negotiated' an opt-out from the Schengen arrangement back in the day. Of course he only did this due to pressure from eurosceptic back bench MPs.
    Anyhow, if Britain was in Schengen, rest assured that millions of 'migrants' would now have set foot there.
  70. @Anonym
    I don't really understand it, but even though I have blood from that general area (not Sweden exactly), it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes, who know nothing and prescribe their derivative brand of PC idiocy on the world. What an especially stupid, naive people. I mean, most white countries are stupidly PC and somewhat sanctimonious about it, but the Swedes take it to that next level.

    BTW I thought to google "sanctimonious stupid swede" and got an article by Taki.

    http://www.nypress.com/swedes-are-bores/

    it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes

    It’s not the Swedes; it’s an upper middle class minority who dominate politics and the media who are sacrificing the majority of their population to the PC god.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    It’s not the Swedes; it’s an upper middle class minority who dominate politics and the media who are sacrificing the majority of their population to the PC god.

    Maybe so, but it's not like the Swedish Democrats are a majority party yet. It ain't a minority that has voted for the suicidal and sanctimonious idiocy demonstrated to the world by Sweden. Aren't we so great, what a liberal paradise, we have among the highest taxes in the world, the most generous welfare safety net, we have a disarmed populace, we let in so many migrants, yada yada yada.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/18/interview-retired-swedish-police-chief-says-malmo-crime-skyrocketing-due-uncontrolled-immigration-no-go-zones/

    Even this retired police chief, acknowledges that:
    “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.

    So... immigrant minority, commit majority of the crimes, can't extrapolate to the unlivable hell hole Sweden will become with more immigrants... and still won't vote for the Swedish Democrats! What a f***ing idiot! Just like the other 87% of the country that didn't vote Swedish Democrat.

    I suppose most of the rest of the European world are no better currently. Yes, I'm angry. Fortunately, far right parties and policies are becoming more prevalent day by day.

  71. @FineSwine
    Most immigration to Britain comes from outside the EU. Leaving the EU will not change this.

    Yes it will.

    The europhiles are behind the non-eu immigration as well so if the europhiles are defeated common sense will prevail.

    • Replies: @FineSwine
    I don't think that's true. Jeremy Corbyn is both anti-EU and pro-immigration. The next Labour government may simultaneously pull out of the EU and scrap all remaining border controls.
  72. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Jurgen Trittin, who now heads the German Green Party, is already ecstatic that his country is being overwhelmed by Asian Muslim migrants: “Each day Germany is disappearing more and more; and this is a truly wonderful thing!” exults Trittin

    It’s only the subconscious idea that people can’t want the genocide of their own people that prevents people like him going on trial for promoting genocide.

  73. @AndrewR
    The countries most responsible for exacerbating the civil war (the US and the UK) are not the ones getting flooded. Well the UK is somewhat but the US isnt at all.

    The US and UK are already being flooded by other means.

    Germany wasn’t.

    Hence Merkel only obeying orders.

  74. @anon
    Yes it will.

    The europhiles are behind the non-eu immigration as well so if the europhiles are defeated common sense will prevail.

    I don’t think that’s true. Jeremy Corbyn is both anti-EU and pro-immigration. The next Labour government may simultaneously pull out of the EU and scrap all remaining border controls.

    • Replies: @anon
    Venn diagrams: the pro-immigration lobby overlaps 90% with the pro-immigration lobby. Corbyn is part of the remaining 10%.
  75. @FineSwine
    I don't think that's true. Jeremy Corbyn is both anti-EU and pro-immigration. The next Labour government may simultaneously pull out of the EU and scrap all remaining border controls.

    Venn diagrams: the pro-immigration lobby overlaps 90% with the pro-immigration lobby. Corbyn is part of the remaining 10%.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Niccolo Salo
    For the sake of Europe let's hope that the UK does leave the EU. As even the Brits admit, the presence of the UK in the EU only served to act as a spoiler on the continent. The USA is insisting that the UK remain within the EU to act as its trojan horse (with the hope that a Turkish entry would allow them two trojan horses).

    The UK belongs in the Anglosphere, as it has for centuries sought to keep Europe divided amongst itself. Let it leave the EU and welcome as many Pakis, Hindis, Nigerians, etc. and not have to suffer any more Polish plumbers.

    Yep.

    And Italy is doing so well out of the EU.

    The euro currency has ruined its economy leading to permanent stagnation and depression, and some horrific unemployment figures. All this combined with zero growth, an ageing population and enormous fiscal deficits.
    – and there is absolutely no end in sight.
    The EU subverted Italian democracy by getting rid of a democratically elected president and putting its own placeman in charge – all in order to ‘save’ that shitty albatross Franco/German euro currency – which is killing Italy.

    Oh, and that little fact that EU rules FORCE Italy to take in hundreds of thousands if black and brown ‘migrants’ – like patsy fools – every year.

    The problem with Italy is that after their horrific, absolute and total defeat of Mussolini’s madness and megalomania after WW2, they lost all self-respect and just became America’s, Germany’s, France’s, the EU’s etc poodle.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FineSwine
    Most immigration to Britain comes from outside the EU. Leaving the EU will not change this.

    Not really my point at all.

    Thank god that John Major ‘negotiated’ an opt-out from the Schengen arrangement back in the day. Of course he only did this due to pressure from eurosceptic back bench MPs.
    Anyhow, if Britain was in Schengen, rest assured that millions of ‘migrants’ would now have set foot there.

    • Replies: @FineSwine
    That's true, though it will count for nothing when these millions of 'Syrians' get their German citizenship and are free to move wherever they like.

    Leaving the EU will only solve part of the problem though. It won't address the issue of family chain migration, and because of the ethnic vote no mainstream political party is likely to touch the issue. It also won't address the 1951 refugee convention, which theoretically gives half a billion people right of residence in Britain if they can just get on a plane and go there.
  78. @anon

    it is hard not to feel a sort of contempt about those sanctimonious idiot Swedes
     
    It's not the Swedes; it's an upper middle class minority who dominate politics and the media who are sacrificing the majority of their population to the PC god.

    It’s not the Swedes; it’s an upper middle class minority who dominate politics and the media who are sacrificing the majority of their population to the PC god.

    Maybe so, but it’s not like the Swedish Democrats are a majority party yet. It ain’t a minority that has voted for the suicidal and sanctimonious idiocy demonstrated to the world by Sweden. Aren’t we so great, what a liberal paradise, we have among the highest taxes in the world, the most generous welfare safety net, we have a disarmed populace, we let in so many migrants, yada yada yada.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/18/interview-retired-swedish-police-chief-says-malmo-crime-skyrocketing-due-uncontrolled-immigration-no-go-zones/

    Even this retired police chief, acknowledges that:
    “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.

    So… immigrant minority, commit majority of the crimes, can’t extrapolate to the unlivable hell hole Sweden will become with more immigrants… and still won’t vote for the Swedish Democrats! What a f***ing idiot! Just like the other 87% of the country that didn’t vote Swedish Democrat.

    I suppose most of the rest of the European world are no better currently. Yes, I’m angry. Fortunately, far right parties and policies are becoming more prevalent day by day.

  79. @Anonymous
    Not really my point at all.

    Thank god that John Major 'negotiated' an opt-out from the Schengen arrangement back in the day. Of course he only did this due to pressure from eurosceptic back bench MPs.
    Anyhow, if Britain was in Schengen, rest assured that millions of 'migrants' would now have set foot there.

    That’s true, though it will count for nothing when these millions of ‘Syrians’ get their German citizenship and are free to move wherever they like.

    Leaving the EU will only solve part of the problem though. It won’t address the issue of family chain migration, and because of the ethnic vote no mainstream political party is likely to touch the issue. It also won’t address the 1951 refugee convention, which theoretically gives half a billion people right of residence in Britain if they can just get on a plane and go there.

  80. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Our investments--yours and mine--will be the first things to collapse.

    I know that, Harry. The internet is not the best way to express nuance.

  81. I read recently that a Greek minister declared that Greece will not open its Thracian land border with Turkey to facilitate the flow of refugees but will continue to allow rafts from Turkey to land on Lesbos. I am not that familiar with Greece’s roughly 70 mile long land border with Turkey, but I imagine that it must very well fortified to protect against possible invasion from its close NATO “ally,” and Greece doesn’t want to endanger that protective zone in any way. But I find its dual approach to its borders a bit schizophrenic, barring entry at one border but welcoming invasion at another. I have to wonder if the Greeks would be so welcoming to the invading army of “Syrian refugees” to the island of Lesbos if they were not assured that they could quickly speed them on their way to the “promised land” of Germany. After all, these “refugees” would all be stuck on Lesbos were it not for the fact that Greece provides free ferry service to Athens and all points north.

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, my yeasty formative Slovenia years came too early. Now, after I stopped caring, the place is in the news. I could be the man to explain such headlines as “It’s Official: Slovenia Already Getting 631 Refugees” (that was some weeks ago) and “The End of Civilization: A Day at the Refugee Center in Dobova.” Or just tell the tale of Omar Naber, Slovenia’s entrant in the 2005 Eurovision contest and the son of a Jordanian dentist who’d immigrated to Yugoslavia. But…nah. Europe, which Slovenia wants so desperately to be a part of that it will do pretty much anything the EU (or Tito, or the Habsburg Empire) tells it to, just isn’t interesting.

    Or maybe it is getting interesting after all. I used to see the Slovene word begunec, “refugee,” but now I see the word prebežnik, “runaway.” Not having paid close attention, I am unsure what the distinction is. Understand that Slovene has been a written language for a thousand years and yet, perhaps in common with other eastern European tongues, most of what has ever been stated in it was stated in this century: the language may be evolving faster than ever before.

    Well, maybe I’ll try to keep up. Here‘s a story whose headline is “Runaways at first an expense, then an engine of growth.” Sez the EU, which on this same webpage, at least as I am viewing it, is also the source of a story titled “Brussels: higher costs of the refugee crisis for Slovenia.” And there’s something about sovražni govor, “hate speech.” Yeah, now I remember the proximate cause of my boredom with this stuff: European-journalistic pop neuroses map flawlessly to Anglophone ones. There’s nothing new on either side of the Atlantic. The article hyperlinked uses the word migrant along with the other two, further complicating the Venn diagram: it may indicate a striving for accurate classification, but when Slavs resort to Latinate expression, I suspect they’re just trying to sound cosmopolitan. Sigh. OK, I’ll try this: Ctrl-F for mlad, the root of “youth.” Annnd…nothin’. Perhaps by order of European-journalistic style manuals, that word is reserved.

  83. @AndrewR
    Many if not most are. One could argue that they're brainwashed but theyre still responsible for their beliefs.

    Many if not most are. One could argue that they’re brainwashed but theyre still responsible for their beliefs.

    No, they’re not. How could someone possibly be responsible for his own beliefs? It’s logically impossible.

  84. @Stan D Mute

    They’re not doing it of their own free will.
     
    What, exactly, are they doing to resist? Do they have armed civilians on the borders arresting the invaders? Blockades of the buses by mobs of angry citizens? Everything I see is mobs tearfully greeting their conquerors with gifts and expressions of love. There are the reports of arson of empty buildings, but those don't seem organized. My point of comparison is America of course and her own response to the Central American Indian invasion which has been pathetically weak but still keeps our government from issuing invitations to the invaders.

    What, exactly, are they doing to resist?

    That’s totally non-responsive. The point is that their minds have been hijacked. Obviously, they wouldn’t be resisting.

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