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From the opinion section of Business Insider:

America’s housing market is racist. Congress could easily help fix it if they wanted to.

[email protected] (Skylar Baker-Jordan) 6 days ago

Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

The Fair Lending for All Act would establish a new federal office to ensure discrimination in lending is not happening.

The bill would help end discriminatory practices by clarifying that discrimination based on zip code or census tract is prohibited under ECOA.

This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.

In 2020, Black borrowers were 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers. While this statistic is jarring, it is hardly surprising to those of us familiar with the US mortgage industry. A holistic look at America’s housing market shows that it disadvantages people of color in some startling and systemic ways that are not always obvious at the loan level.

The Fair Lending for All Act aims to change that. Introduced by Congressman Al Green, a Democrat from Texas, the bill clarifies the language of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) to better address systemic discrimination in mortgage lending. At the same time, it establishes a new bureau within the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) to test whether lenders are following federal guidelines as set out in the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) and ECOA. While seemingly obscure and legalistic, the Fair Lending for All Act will go a long way to making mortgage lending fairer and ending racial disparities in home ownership.

Historically, Black homeowners have had to contend with systemic racism in the mortgage industry, contributing to lower levels and slower growth in homeownership among Black Americans. Through redlining …

According to Carr, this drastically slowed the rate of homeownership among Black Americans. The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.

Which is when redlining was illegal.

Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020.

This problem is then compounded by further economic inequalities Black Americans face. A recent study from the McKinsey Global Institute found that Black Americans make on average 30% less than white Americans. A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019. Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.

Debt-to-income and loan-to-value ratios have been higher for Black and Latino Americans. Data from the Federal Reserve shows that the median Black family has less than 15% the wealth of the median white family. What this means in practical terms is that Black and Latino borrowers have a higher amount of debt relative to their income. They, in turn, must borrow more on their homes, having less of a down payment to put towards the purchase.

Many lenders and underwriters will argue that there is no inherent racism here. If you qualify, you qualify, and if you don’t, you don’t. But in my own experience in the mortgage industry over the past decade, this kind of discrimination is not always apparent, even to the folks being discriminated against.

There are three types of discrimination which ECOA forbids: overt discrimination, comparative discrimination, and disparate impact. … Comparative discrimination results from “differences in treatment that are not fully explained by legitimate nondiscriminatory factors,” according to the Federal Reserve. The last type of discrimination, disparate impact, “occurs when a lender applies a racially (or otherwise) neutral policy or practice equally to all credit applicants but the policy or practice disproportionately excludes or burdens certain persons on a prohibited basis.”

… Some financial institutions may have policies which take into consideration a borrower’s census tract or zip code, which, due to racist practices like redlining, can have a discriminatory effect. This is one of the practices the Fair Lending for All Act hopes to curtail, making it clear that it is unlawful to discriminate based on census tract or zip code.

After all, who ever believed that the the three most important factors in real estate are location, location, and location?

This clarification is welcome, as it will help loan officers and underwriters better understand the law. It will also require lenders to assess and even change policies which are currently leading to discrimination within the mortgage industry, whether unintentional or not. In doing so, it will make lending fairer to those who have been historically locked out of equal access to credit.

A lot of the discrimination currently keeping Americans of color from equally accessing credit comes from seemingly race-neutral policies that are applied evenly but have a disparate impact. Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood. I certainly heard “it’s not worth the work” several times in my mortgage career, though never in relation to an applicant’s race.

Still, given the income and wealth disparities previously discussed, the possibility for comparative discrimination is obvious but would only be apparent to someone looking at the totality of a loan officer’s or company’s production. As such, lenders “on the ground” may well not see that what they’re doing is discrimination, and borrowers who are covertly or comparatively discriminated against – and certainly those experiencing disparate impact – may not realize it, either.

That does not mean the results are not just as pernicious. In fact, these practices are making it harder to close the racial wealth gap. Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner. Earlier this year, a study of house prices in Chicago’s Black and Latino neighborhoods showed there was a gap of $324,000 in the values of those homes between comparable properties in white neighborhoods. While this may seem astronomically high, the same sociologists who looked at Chicago’s study found last year that this is a national problem, with the gap being $245,000 nationwide. This, in turn, costs minority sellers hundreds of thousands in equity, which has a considerable impact on the racial wealth gap.

So, we must have policies to boost the selling prices of homes blacks want to sell.

Minority buyers are also disadvantaged. The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

So, we must have policies to depress the selling prices of homes black want to buy.

Carrying higher debt-to-income ratios (thus limiting the amount they can borrow) puts them at a disadvantage in bidding wars. On the other hand, borrowers with generational wealth and less debt might be able to either put more money towards the down payment, thus decreasing the LTV, or be able to borrow more because of a lower DTI. But again, minority borrowers are disadvantaged compared to their white counterparts. A Brookings Institute study last year found that “the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family…” In a booming seller’s market, this disparity in wealth can leave minority borrowers unable to compete for housing.

Equity demands that black wealth go way up.

But where would the money come from? Hmmmmhhhhh …

Who, racistly, has saved up ten times more wealth on average than blacks?

Yes, average whites.

I suspect we will eventually be seeing proposals to tax capital gains when whites sell houses to whites (or white-adjacents) and use the money to subsidize blacks buying homes in white neighborhoods.

 
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  1. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, California’s non-discriminatory illegal immigration policy continues to bring the lowest actors from shit counties, keeping Southern California on track as an emerging third world hellhole.

    Happy Temporary Independence Day, everyone…

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-man-arrested-illegal-homemade-163852305.html

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous


    Meanwhile, California’s non-discriminatory illegal immigration policy continues to bring the lowest actors from shit counties, keeping Southern California on track as an emerging third world hellhole.

     

    Happy Dependence Day.
  2. Default rate comparisons are useful

    • Agree: Cortes, ic1000
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Flip

    This.

    And this guy suggests he was in the lending business. If he really believes there is money being left on the table purely for the sake of punking Black people, then he could easily step into the breach and collect the difference.

    , @res
    @Flip

    Number one hit (from 1996) for my Google search for: mortgage default rates by race
    Why Default Rates Cannot Shed Light on Mortgage Discrimination
    https://www.huduser.gov/Periodicals/CITYSCPE/VOL2NUM1/yinger.pdf

    Google has an answer rationalization for everything.

    Perhaps we can agree to temporarily waive anti-discrimination laws to allow Skylar Baker-Jordan to start a company exclusively serving these underserved segments of the mortgage market. I'm sure he could find lots of investors willing to lose money demonstrating their virtue. Just as long as the Feds don't agree to insure the loans.

  3. I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Yancey Ward

    Agree. And no real information. Did the White woman walk into a real estate agency and say “I want to sell my home” and no one looked at the home, just the address ? Did the White woman walk into a bank and ask for a second mortgage? I agree it’s another lie about race.

    And it’s in Business Insider which means the business world is no as anti White as the world of government. And voluntarily, without EEOC duress.

    An easy plan would just add as many points to the credit score of every black in the country till the credit score is 750. And subtract enough points to bring down the credit score of every White to 500 or less.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    , @Abe
    @Yancey Ward


    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.
     
    A HARD DAY’S SH!T THAT NEVER HAPPENED, WITH ALL NEW COMMENTARY BY PAUL MCCARTNEY
    , @frankie p
    @Yancey Ward

    You probably also don't believe that the three brilliant mathematicians featured in the movie Hidden Figures weren't completely responsible for the USA winning the Space Race! How could the white supremacist establishment, with its systemic racism oozing from every pore of society, keep such important information from the public, how Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughn, and Mary Jackson, with absolutely no help from feeble-minded white males, drove the math behind NASA and every facet of the US space race. They even flew the space missions themselves, but they couldn't include that in the movie; it would show that NASA lied about absolutely EVERYTHING, even, perhaps, putting a man on the moon! Heaven forbid!

    , @Lurker
    @Yancey Ward

    Wouldn't it be more plausible if she had white friends pose as the people next door?

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Yancey Ward

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9588367/Black-homeowner-files-complaint-home-value-doubled-white-friend-stood-appraisal.html#comments

    Her name is Carlette Duffy.

    It’s a hoax and a shakedown lawsuit.

    The black woman asserts, without providing essential information, that she was “cheated” by a White man appraiser, who gave her an estimate on her property that was 50% less than she’d received several months earlier, in a now heating-up market.

    But here’s the thing. She wasn’t looking to sell, she was looking to refi the place. Unless I missed the mark, this would have saved her tens of thousands of dollars in interest on the refi loan and on her property taxes, over what she’d have had to pay under the 100% higher appraisal.

    My verdict: Carlette Duffy and the racial socialist “equity” group backing her were looking to shake down a White in the real estate industry, and banked on the msm carrying the ball for her, the facts be damned.

    Replies: @vhrm

  4. https://skylarbakerjordan.com/about/

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time. The question is is that who they want or is that the only sort of person going into journalism these days?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time.

    He has another skill set, he is gifted at malapropism. The following sentence is a classic " The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    Replies: @Papinian, @Alfa158, @additionalMike

  5. I knew it!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I knew it!
     
    In other news...

    Studies show that women are massively overrepresented among those who give birth to babies. Men aren't pulling their weight.

    BTW, isn't this charming?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/family/man-says-stay-home-mums-24434412

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Dian 'the AA Mathemagcian' Abbot
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Andrew Anglin calls them The Leigh Francis Class.

    Google Angela Rayner mp. OMG - I know northerners come across ass thick donkeys at best of times, but that triple chinned lump of lard must come across as retards even to them. Random juvenile noise - Ra funnel!!!!

    This is an EDUCATION SECRETARY. FFS - has it been to school itself!!!

    , @Arclight
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Related to this is the fact that whites and Asians are net taxpayers per capita while blacks and Latinos are not. When the issue of reparations comes up, the right doesn't have the brains or balls to point out that the configuration of our tax code and social welfare system means a net transfer of wealth from white households to blacks of more than $100B annually.

    Replies: @Travis, @John Milton's Ghost

  6. “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Currahee
    @Alfa158

    The author probably dispenses falsity so often that it doesn't occur to her (him?, they?) that she would ever be disputed.

    , @Hibernian
    @Alfa158

    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alfa158

    If it isn't a lie, then any US citizen could go and make a killing by buying black-owned houses and using a white agent to immediately sell it on for double.

    There would also be zero black real estate agents.

    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Prester John
    @Alfa158

    Right! With "story" being the operative word of course.

    , @res
    @Alfa158

    Some OT discussion of that in this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-nfl-draftees-average-16-iq-points-higher-than-black-draftees/#comment-4666362

    Zillow's Zestimate is up to $186k. The ten year history of it is something. I wonder where all the (near) step functions came from.

  7. .. help loan officers and underwriters better understand the law.

    Fuzzy laws (100% of the laws produced in this country since way back) are great news for lawyers.

    Get the licensed-lawyers OUT of the legislative branch.

    Lawyers make up 0.4% of the population, but probably > 20% of lawmakers; ~40% of Congress. Trump was not a lawyer.

    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).

    Any lawyer who wants to work as a non-judicial staffer, (e.g. congressional aide, DoJ) should have to surrender his license to practice, with no possibility of post-career reinstatement for ten years or until all judges of his level of government, sitting at the time of such surrender, have retired (whichever is longer).

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

  8. Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    And a happy 4th to you, too, sir. Seems like a different world, but there was a time when I proudly marched in parades, carrying the flag, on the Fourth. If the current ruling class disapproves, can I "clap back" at them and tell them that these are my "lived experiences?" They can all go to hell. Thank you.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And ladies, too


    https://www.history.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTU3ODc5MDgyNDA0MTYxMjQ3/betsy-ross-and-assistants-sew-first-flag.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joseph Doaks

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123

    We got in 188 that were--more or less--free. (And yes, not for some blacks in some places.)

    And made it to about 244 ... semi-plausibly.

    I don't know what you'd call this last year, but sure doesn't smell like America to me. (Even with the gunpowder smoke in my nostrils.)

  9. Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table detailing the different factors found most critical to housing prices in the US.

    It must have been the first time he saw it because he went over the names of the first few headers and then abruptly stopped himself and nervously said ‘Among others…’ before he read out ‘Percent Black’. Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Altai

    Did the lecture end with, "WE WERE RIGHT, YOU ENGLISH SH**S"?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table...


    Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

     

    So there's a Hastie Pudding Club on the West Coast, too?
    , @Carbon blob
    @Altai

    I distinctly remember that video as well, from Stanford’s machine learning MOOC.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @res
    @Altai

    What makes that even funnier is if you look at the dataset you see that the "percent black" variable was transformed in a way that made it impossible to know the actual percent black.

    At the time I took it that they (dataset creators) were attempting to hide the likely strong relationship (i.e. being anti-racist by concealing reality), but there are other interpretations... See
    https://medium.com/@docintangible/racist-data-destruction-113e3eff54a8
    https://github.com/scikit-learn/scikit-learn/issues/16155
    https://github.com/odsti/datasets/tree/master/boston_housing#the-black_index-variable-is-odd-and-probably-wrong

    Here is the transform equation. Notice how it is not one to one (here meaning not invertible).
    B = 1000(Bk - 0.63)^2 where Bk is the proportion of blacks by town.

  10. Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

    Control for credit score and get back to me. Or not.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Wade Hampton

    The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston produced a study some years bank contending there was descrimination in mortgage lending. Thomas Sowell pointed out the default rate of the two subpopulations of borrowers was the same.

  11. “The pandemic has exasperated gentrification.” Well, yes, a lot of things are exasperating.

    • Replies: @Lev Myshkin
    @HFR

    I saw that, too. This idiot is a moron.

    , @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @HFR


    “The pandemic has exasperated gentrification.” Well, yes, a lot of things are exasperating.
     
    So one might ask if you want the prices and home equity to go up or not?
    Policy changes have consequences, many unintentional and bad. This point has been made by McWhorter WRT the war on drugs.

    The real point is that you can’t fix something in isolation by treating a symptom. That clamped pot will blow up.

  12. @Art Deco
    https://skylarbakerjordan.com/about/


    He has one skill set, and that's turning in copy on time. The question is is that who they want or is that the only sort of person going into journalism these days?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If “millennials” want a substantive charge to throw at hated “boomers”, well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren’t on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was “cool”. The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I’m served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she’s Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    In my Catholic elementary school in about '62 a Madeleine went by Maggy.

    , @frankie p
    @Reg Cæsar

    "In an old house in Paris that was covered with vines. Lived twelve little girls in two straight lines. In two straight lines they broke their bread, and brushed their teeth and went to bed. They smiled at the good, and frowned at the bad, and sometimes they were very sad. They left the house at half past nine, in two straight lines, in rain or shine. The smallest one was Madeline."

    The world would be a better place if life, people and times were more like in that book in Europe and the US than in the bizarre reality that we are faced with today.

    , @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Keeping Tyler (a fad boy’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910. I don't think this was a Boomer fad. (There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, 'Evan' the most prevalent).

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Russ
    @Reg Cæsar


    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents.
     
    The first bastardization of Brittany as a name (that I had seen) was in the case of Britney Spears, who has been in the news lately. Seems that her father has her on some legally mandated birth control though she is well past age 21. The irony is too rich.
    , @Thea
    @Reg Cæsar

    The bad naming was in full swing in the 1990s. Madison and other often misspelled former presidents were, unfortunately, made popular by Gen x parents.

    , @sayless
    @Reg Cæsar

    Olson/Olsen is Swedish and Danish/Norwegian. That'll be contentious. Scandinavians don't like each other all that much anyway, but the Finns and Danes and Norwegians really don't like the Swedes.

    , @gent
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's why my sons is named Fereydoon Setanta.

  13. @Altai
    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table detailing the different factors found most critical to housing prices in the US.

    It must have been the first time he saw it because he went over the names of the first few headers and then abruptly stopped himself and nervously said 'Among others...' before he read out 'Percent Black'. Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Carbon blob, @res

    Did the lecture end with, “WE WERE RIGHT, YOU ENGLISH SH**S”?

  14. @Yancey Ward
    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    Replies: @Alden, @Abe, @frankie p, @Lurker, @Nicholas Stix

    Agree. And no real information. Did the White woman walk into a real estate agency and say “I want to sell my home” and no one looked at the home, just the address ? Did the White woman walk into a bank and ask for a second mortgage? I agree it’s another lie about race.

    And it’s in Business Insider which means the business world is no as anti White as the world of government. And voluntarily, without EEOC duress.

    An easy plan would just add as many points to the credit score of every black in the country till the credit score is 750. And subtract enough points to bring down the credit score of every White to 500 or less.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @Alden


    And it’s in Business Insider.....
     
    Business Insider is the Huffington Post of financial reporting. Everything is reported through the lens of race/gender/homo issues.
    , @Anonymous
    @Alden

    A quick read of the wiki bio of the click-mill's founder, Henry Blodget, should instruct you that this is not your dad's "business world" publication. "Woke capital" isn't and never has been an oxymoron. Sharper-Image-Black-Liberation is a big box office hit & still lots of consoomer profit left in it.

    Replies: @Clyde

  15. @Altai
    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table detailing the different factors found most critical to housing prices in the US.

    It must have been the first time he saw it because he went over the names of the first few headers and then abruptly stopped himself and nervously said 'Among others...' before he read out 'Percent Black'. Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Carbon blob, @res

    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table…

    Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    So there’s a Hastie Pudding Club on the West Coast, too?

  16. And at what % are White’s denied a mortgage as compared to Asians?

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  17. “Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.”

    Well:
    -insufficient income
    -bad credit
    -no assets=
    NO!

  18. @Alfa158
    “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Hibernian, @Triteleia Laxa, @Prester John, @res

    The author probably dispenses falsity so often that it doesn’t occur to her (him?, they?) that she would ever be disputed.

  19. A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.

    Next sentence:

    Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.

    These are both big problems. You don’t think there’s any way the two could be related, do you? Maybe you should look into that.

    OK, let me try:

    Black people are just no good with handling money. Yet, what’s worse is that they don’t inherit much money from black relatives – who are just no good with handling money – who die. Dayum!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Everything in blacks is disproportionate. Schlong size, student debt, birth rate, ego size, kill count, lack of self-control, money problems and the continent.

    Disproportionatus Nigerius.

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Achmed E. Newman


    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Yeah but. Yeah but my associates degree from the Afrika Me'shwllna Bambattaaa Graduate School of Uptown Cosmetology cost $170,000 so I had to take government loans to go with them pell grants. All y'all white people can pay it off with your tax money. Restorative Preparations.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @usNthem
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Frankly, it’s a huge surprise for me that blacks have so much supposed “student” debt. I figured all those sought after geniuses (and aflete scholas) would be getting free rides left, right and center.

  20. The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    I think the author means exacerbated, not exasperated. Is getting this correct too much to ask for a news publication?

    • Replies: @Papinian
    @STL

    This may be the most remarkable thing about the piece.

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @STL

    "You go to print with the editors you have, not the editors you wish you had."

    Besides, if young Skylar is black, what editor who wants to keep his job dares tell him he committed a malapropism or neologism, i.e., got it wrong? Better to let it slide in the interest of...equity.

  21. I know the last 20 years have been a neverending series of utter disaster, but … does anybody remember the “housing bubble” and the programs for home ownership under Dubya? It resulted in Moon-sized debt craters covered by tarps. It came just after the Clinton “Internet bubble” which resulted in Moon-sized debt craters, too.

    • Agree: Dnought
  22. I suspect we will eventually be seeing proposals to tax capital gains when whites sell houses to whites (or white-adjacents) and use the money to subsidize blacks buying homes in white neighborhoods.

    I don’t doubt that. It’s not a big change from what’s happening now. I get it. Socialism is a screw job. Higher taxes screw white people most. Affordable family formation suffers.

    I could have told you all that. Hell, I have!

  23. Just what we need, another federal agency (supposedly) helping negros and (definitely) screwing Whites. Further, the baseline in reading this “opinion piece/article” is that it’s a lie top to bottom. Basically just like anything from the msm.

  24. @Achmed E. Newman

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Next sentence:

    Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.
     
    These are both big problems. You don't think there's any way the two could be related, do you? Maybe you should look into that.

    OK, let me try:


    Black people are just no good with handling money. Yet, what's worse is that they don't inherit much money from black relatives - who are just no good with handling money - who die. Dayum!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hangnail Hans, @usNthem

    Everything in blacks is disproportionate. Schlong size, student debt, birth rate, ego size, kill count, lack of self-control, money problems and the continent.

    Disproportionatus Nigerius.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  25. @Altai
    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table detailing the different factors found most critical to housing prices in the US.

    It must have been the first time he saw it because he went over the names of the first few headers and then abruptly stopped himself and nervously said 'Among others...' before he read out 'Percent Black'. Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Carbon blob, @res

    I distinctly remember that video as well, from Stanford’s machine learning MOOC.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Carbon blob

    Deserves a Larson cartoon with, um, 'sniggering' colleagues outside the door as he reads it.

  26. Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

    I wonder how this plays out if we look at black borrowers who are applying to buy homes in white neighborhoods as opposed to buying houses in black neighborhoods. (Holding everything else as the same.)

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @iffen

    What is the monthly payment on a thirty year loan for a home that costs $1?


    "HUD's Dollar Homes initiative helps local governments to foster housing opportunities for low to moderate income families and address specific community needs by offering them the opportunity to purchase qualified HUD-owned homes for $1 each.

    Dollar Homes are single-family homes that are acquired by the Federal Housing Administration (which is part of HUD) as a result of foreclosure actions. Single-family properties are made available through the program whenever FHA is unable to sell the homes for six months.

    By selling vacant homes with a current market value of $25,000 or less, for $1 after six months on the market, HUD makes it possible for communities to fix up the homes and put them to good use at a considerable savings. The newly occupied homes can then act as catalysts for neighborhood revitalization, attracting new residents and businesses to an area."
     

    Replies: @Alden

  27. Don’t banks have a duty NOT to lose bank depositor’s money? Isn’t that the whole point of prudent lending?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Joe Stalin

    That's so 20th Century!

    , @Papinian
    @Joe Stalin

    I should hope a bank has multiple depositors, in which case, it must safeguard its depositors' money.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Joe Stalin

    Fortunately, depositors money isn't at risk. You sell the mortgage to someone else, thus leaving you the profits, and someone else the trouble of collecting.

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Joe Stalin

    You'd think so. Generally I'd agree, except for those big banks that have already bankrupted themselves multiple times (the latest being the mortgage crisis of 2008-9) and only survive today because of FedGov bailouts.

    Paraphrasing Gen. Philip Sheridan, "the only good big banks are dead big banks".

  28. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation. Because the houses in these enclaves have a high demand for them, their price shoots up. But it’s not whites who cause white housing to be so expensive.

    NO WHITE WANTS TO PAY AN ARM AND LEG FOR HOUSING.

    They ONLY do it because THEY’RE FORCED TO. What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?

    It’s violent black attacks on whites, which cause whites to flee, which causes safe housing located away from ghettos to be so expensive and in so much demand.

    Blacks MAKE housing expensive for whites. It’s not whites that do it. Blacks and hideous black behavior causes massive price distortions in the housing markets. Plenty of whites would live in those cheap, inner-city houses–if the black neighborhoods those houses are in weren’t wildly unsafe due to black predation of whites. Those ghetto houses used to belong to whites in the early part of the 20th century anyway. It was black crime that destroyed their value.

    • Thanks: Rob, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon


    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation.

    What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?
     
    I've stumbled across a couple of Mormon family YouTuber channels, basically reality shows on YouTube following family activities of Mormon families with a lot of kids. They live in obscenely huge houses. It's hard to figure out they afford them, given the jobs that the parents supposedly do. YouTube income can't be that much, can it?

    So I assume the the houses are just much cheaper than I imagine, but they are build in a very white community in Utah. That's it. Add more blacks and all of a sudden the housing economic dynamics would change drastically. And these families need cheap houses because they also need to buy buslike vehicles to carry a dozen or more people.

    Replies: @InnerCynic, @Bill Jones

  29. @Achmed E. Newman

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Next sentence:

    Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.
     
    These are both big problems. You don't think there's any way the two could be related, do you? Maybe you should look into that.

    OK, let me try:


    Black people are just no good with handling money. Yet, what's worse is that they don't inherit much money from black relatives - who are just no good with handling money - who die. Dayum!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hangnail Hans, @usNthem

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.

    Yeah but. Yeah but my associates degree from the Afrika Me’shwllna Bambattaaa Graduate School of Uptown Cosmetology cost $170,000 so I had to take government loans to go with them pell grants. All y’all white people can pay it off with your tax money. Restorative Preparations.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hangnail Hans

    The government is getting behind a massive push for blacks and browns to go to college so it can load them up with student debt. The government has huge deficits, and it can only raise taxes so much, so they've decided they need an alterative source of revenue, namely the interest on students loans.

    The government doesn't want those smart white males who pay off their students loans in 4 years. They want dumb blacks and browns who can't manage their money to be paying it off for 40 years. The government makes a LOT more money that way by targeting idiot POCs instead of smart whites.

    The government, through student loans, has become like that nasty credit card company that targets those with bad credit by giving them high-interest-only credit cards.

    The government has become like that notorious company store that uses credit to permanently ensnare black sharecroppers in eternal debt.

    In a way, it's fitting that someone trying to crawl out of the ghetto should be forced to pay back all the welfare they parasitized off of. It's the only way the government is going to make the parasites pay anything back for those years of Section 8 and EBT cards.

    However, it means the poorer people in this country, if they want to go to college and take out loans, are in essence being double-taxed by the government if they want a job that pays anything.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  30. If home values were the other way around the systemic racism would be that blacks had to pay higher property tax for the same house.

  31. @Art Deco
    https://skylarbakerjordan.com/about/


    He has one skill set, and that's turning in copy on time. The question is is that who they want or is that the only sort of person going into journalism these days?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time.

    He has another skill set, he is gifted at malapropism. The following sentence is a classic ” The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    • Replies: @Papinian
    @kaganovitch

    You know, "exasperated" comes from "asper", and "exacerbated" comes from "acer". I'd bet we all understand the distinction in English, but can we all grasp the different senses of the Latin words?

    The unabridged Lewis and Short has two full columns on "asper" (not to be confused with Asper, the grammarian). Apparently, it's connected with άσπαίρω; originally meant "hopeless, desperate" (spes!), coming to mean "harsh, severe". (although this dictionary just discusses, it doesn't define. How frustrating.)

    "Acer", on the other hand, is "sharp, pointed, piercing" (If the first vowel is long; otherwise, it means the wood of a maple tree.), although from the first example, "praestans valetudine, viribus, forma, acerrimis integerrimis sensibus" (this is a very sexy man, indeed!), it has a wide application. Related to the German "Ecke" and the English "edge".

    What's my point? I guess I just feel somewhat forgiving. Yes, indeed, it is a malapropism, and yes, it is shocking that the writer penned it, and that the editor overlooked it. But, I suppose I can understand an indifference to the distinction. After all, nobody is in doubt about the meaning. And indeed, there are known depths to these words which I have not plumbed, several columns' worth! Let he who is without blame cast the first stone.

    On the other hand, the error reveals the alienness of the writer. He doesn't know the distinction. He probably doesn't care, either.

    Replies: @FPD72

    , @Alfa158
    @kaganovitch

    At last we know Tiny Duck’s identity and what his day job is.

    , @additionalMike
    @kaganovitch

    That quote has an Amos'n'Andy feel to it, as in "Amos, I is going to deliver a ultomato."

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  32. Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Desiderius

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    What you think that flag means anything to him?

    If that is in fact him then who the f cares. He is a small peeny globalist control freak and won't be changing anytime soon.

    This country will not be fixed by tech execs. If anything they will move towards trying to lock down the internet further as the establishment pushes them to control the great lie at any cost.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @anon
    @Desiderius

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    lol.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/2e/ee/8c2eee0dcfce1b9203d9df30cb088173.jpg

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Desiderius

    Good for him. Between this and that javelin thing he was doing the other day, it looks like he at least is enjoying his billions a bit.

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work? Is it connected to a torpedo or something? What if he wants to stop? Does he jump off? Or is someone else at the controls?

    Replies: @anon, @vhrm

    , @AnotherDad
    @Desiderius

    Fraud. Not an American. No loyalty to Americans. A globalist pimple looting America.

    , @Rob McX
    @Desiderius

    Unfortunately, I don't see any sharks nearby.

    Replies: @Liza

    , @Mike Tre
    @Desiderius

    This is one of those real Americans you must have been referring to.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  33. So…..why aren’t Asians included in this study?

    Anyways the solution is simple which is to bring in Wall St and have them sell mortgages to people with less than ideal credit.

    Can’t imagine how that could go wrong.

  34. A recent study from the McKinsey Global Institute found that Black Americans make on average 30% less than white Americans.

    Which means that rational, racially unbiased lending decisions are bound to have a disparate impact on black Americans.

    We often hear that criminals are created when other people criminalize them. For crimes of violence or dishonesty, this is obvious nonsense. However, here’s a case where the claim is actually true: making disparate impact in lending unlawful will criminalize all lenders for simply doing their job.

  35. @Achmed E. Newman

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Next sentence:

    Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.
     
    These are both big problems. You don't think there's any way the two could be related, do you? Maybe you should look into that.

    OK, let me try:


    Black people are just no good with handling money. Yet, what's worse is that they don't inherit much money from black relatives - who are just no good with handling money - who die. Dayum!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hangnail Hans, @usNthem

    Frankly, it’s a huge surprise for me that blacks have so much supposed “student” debt. I figured all those sought after geniuses (and aflete scholas) would be getting free rides left, right and center.

    • Agree: Travis
  36. @Alfa158
    “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Hibernian, @Triteleia Laxa, @Prester John, @res

    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.
     
    I'd be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it's a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    https://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/img/paul_about.png

    Replies: @vhrm, @Hibernian, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

  37. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    What you think that flag means anything to him?

    If that is in fact him then who the f cares. He is a small peeny globalist control freak and won’t be changing anytime soon.

    This country will not be fixed by tech execs. If anything they will move towards trying to lock down the internet further as the establishment pushes them to control the great lie at any cost.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @John Johnson

    Yes, I do.

    We know a little bit about the government pushing people up in these mountains. They pull off an occasional Glencoe here and there but mostly it's more trouble than it's worth to mess with us. Maybe he's thinking the same thing. Wouldn't be the first. Or the last.

    The country won't be fixed by tech execs but it's unlikely to be fixed without them. Sure would be easier with them on our side than the other. Never know what's going to happen on that Road to Damascus.

    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1411876726809022464?s=20

    If he cared that much he would be:

    http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

    Mountaineers don't care much either, with similar results. Mark, when you get tired of buying elections for assholes you're welcome to join us anytime, brother.

  38. A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.

    Why such a huge disparity?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Why such a huge disparity?
     
    This story, and other stories like it, could be restated far more briefly as "Blacks make worse borrowing decisions than other races." But that's not Narrative-Compliant, so instead they write thousand-word pretzel-logic stories to trying to hammer the square peg of black underperformance into the round hole of every-result-must-be-equal-at-all-times. Reading these articles can actually make people dumber.
    , @Morton's toes
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Black people love to borrow money. They don't ask what is the price. They don't ask what is the total aggregate payback. They want to know if they can afford the payments.

    "How much is the notes?"

    And you wonder why jews love negroes?

    How much of the 2007 (sub-prime) mortgage crisis was loans to negroes? I am pretty sure it was closer to 50% than it was to 15%.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Possumman

    , @Elli
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Blacks average younger than whites, that would tend to push student debt up compared to whites. Are Hispanics less likely to attend college or trade school than blacks? If so that pushes black debt up.

    Are blacks more likely to max out student debt and use money for other purposes? I knew a married couple, not black, who used a student loan for a fancy vacation.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Trite, the fact that HBCU take in totally unqualified applicants and load them up with loans and then graduate abysmal numbers of students. Just web search graduation rates at HBCUs for some eye opening numbers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  39. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    In my Catholic elementary school in about ’62 a Madeleine went by Maggy.

  40. “But where would the money come from? Hmmmmhhhhh …

    Who, racistly, has saved up ten times more wealth on average than blacks?”

    Is it the…. (((( )))) ?

    I mean, they’re at least 2 standard deviations in IQ above them.

    That’s pretty awesome that ((( ))) are willing to give up their wealth on behalf of blacks so that they can catch up. Since as a group they are well represented in the top 1%, to make this sacrifice for POC’s is very noble, to say the least.

  41. @Hibernian
    @Alfa158

    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.

    I’d be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it’s a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Reg Cæsar


    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it’s a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.
     
    in before @res :-)

    That's Antoni Gaudí, of course, on the grounds of a house he designed.
    https://www.gonomad.com/178445-antoni-gaudis-home-in-comillas-in-cantabria

    Ok, I had no idea who it was. Interestingly Google's search by image can't find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately (though mostly on stock photo sites). One way to think about it is that google jumps to conclusions about what about that image you're looking for and doesn't consider (or more likely prunes ) other alternatives.

    Bing image search doesn't find it in either way although bing's visual search allows you to do a crop right in the browser which is pretty neat.

    Nor did text searches for bronze statues of men sitting looking up yield anything helpful.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @mapman

    , @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar


    I’d be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.
     
    Even if DC became 90% white, it'd still be as left wing as it is now, and the statehood movement would continue. True, the racial angle, now at the forefront of that movement, would become muted. Retrocession to MD might become acceptable.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Reg Cæsar

    The statue's head looks up and away from the goon groping it. Imagine the indignities the statue has had to endure over the years. Look at its face; it speaks silently of pain.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.
     
    D.C. statehood is an openly, illogical, sleazy Democrat power play.

    If there is no problem with DC being in a state--the whole point of the original concept was to free it from the control of any state--then just give it back to Maryland. (The Virginia piece was restored long ago.)


    Frankly, i'm fine with that, or just repealing the ridiculous 23rd amendment flat out. But more useful would be Republicans dispersing legitimate functions of government throughout the land and as much as possible just junking most of the bureaucracy, a parasite feeding on America. (Then start to work shrinking the Wall Street parasite as well.)
  42. @Alfa158
    “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Hibernian, @Triteleia Laxa, @Prester John, @res

    If it isn’t a lie, then any US citizen could go and make a killing by buying black-owned houses and using a white agent to immediately sell it on for double.

    There would also be zero black real estate agents.

    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Triteleia Laxa


    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.
     
    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.

    Which reminds me... anyone know what would happen if you inserted* one of these into Cardi B?


    https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/32684/silica-gel-packets.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.502xh;0,0.243xh&resize=640:*



    *With her consent, of course.
  43. Steve, i think the bigger takeaway from this article is just how unconvinced it is.

    It tries to put the best face on its basic claim, but as it goes on it explains again and again how the gaps are due to very basic economic issues and thus further reinforces that it’s very unlikely that the banks are discriminating or that they can do anything about the ownership rates short of having very different underwriting rules for black people.

    And actually the underwriting rules won’t really make much difference long term (as we saw in the aftermath of 2007) ; to really affect ownership rates the banks would have to give preferential loan servicing to black borrowers: i.e. they’ll have to accept months and years of non-payment without forclosing, increasing rates or other serious penalty. But they’ll have to do it in a race aware way because otherwise any gains made by marginal black loans would be offset by similar ones in marginal latino, white and asian loans.

    It’s just like SAT scores for school admission. You can’t just lower the bar since then you haven’t changed anything: for equity there have to be different standards for different groups.

  44. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    lol.

  45. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Alfa158

    If it isn't a lie, then any US citizen could go and make a killing by buying black-owned houses and using a white agent to immediately sell it on for double.

    There would also be zero black real estate agents.

    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.

    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.

    Which reminds me… anyone know what would happen if you inserted* one of these into Cardi B?

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/32684/silica-gel-packets.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.502xh;0,0.243xh&resize=640:*

    *With her consent, of course.

  46. It is a totally ridiculous supposition.

    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.

    Which reminds me… anyone know what would happen if you inserted* one of these into Cardi B?

    *With her consent, of course.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar


    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.
     
    On the other hand, oral administration results in this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgIkbg0x80

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  47. The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.

    Which is when redlining was illegal.

    Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020.

    So actually blacks were doing better back in the bad old days of evil redlining, when they weren’t subject to being upsold into excessively large mortgages with no down payment and extra-high interest rates. Interesting.

    A lot of the discrimination currently keeping Americans of color from equally accessing credit comes from seemingly race-neutral policies that are applied evenly but have a disparate impact. Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood.

    Blacks’ problem isn’t “equally accessing credit”, it’s excessively accessing credit: taking out big loans they can’t pay back and end up defaulting on. Of course it’s just a coincidence that the loan originators make bigger commissions on those unrepayable loans.

    the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.

    Fake story. Besides that it is a lie on its face, it doesn’t even make real-world sense. Is this supposed to mean that a black woman uploaded a white friend’s photo to Zillow and then the Z-Value® suddenly doubled? Or that the white friend stood in the doorway, and then the local tax assessor saw it and said, “By jingo, I’m doubling your tax assessment effective immediately!”?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Almost Missouri

    The whole thing is a racket really, since a builder builds a house, then a bank lends a sum of money so that a homeowner can buy it from the builder, usually at a fat profit.

    But the bank doesn't really have the money or only has a small proportion of the money, and the rest of the money is essentially created by the act of building the house, so building a house is actually a way of printing new money.

    Only banks can actually print money in this way.

    So every time you buy a home for your family, you are actually enriching a lot of other people, including the builder, the real estate agent, the mortgage broker, the attorney who provides the title insurance and closing, and the banker who makes the loan.

    So no wonder housing is so expensive. Not only that, but since each of these people takes a percentage of the value of the house, the more expensive the house the better the deal for the whole cabal. I don't know if any other countries do it better, or whether this is universal wherever homes are built.

    You would think that current low interest rates would make buying a home more affordable, but it is actually had the effect of pushing sale prices upwards, so there is little benefit to the average family.

    I don't know what percentage of builders, bankers, real estate agents, mortgage brokers,and closing agents are black and white, but you usually get a slightly better deal if you can get your home financed through a credit union.

    , @res
    @Almost Missouri


    Fake story. Besides that it is a lie on its face, it doesn’t even make real-world sense. Is this supposed to mean that a black woman uploaded a white friend’s photo to Zillow and then the Z-Value® suddenly doubled? Or that the white friend stood in the doorway, and then the local tax assessor saw it and said, “By jingo, I’m doubling your tax assessment effective immediately!”?
     
    See the links in my earlier comment. My understanding is her white friend got an appraisal which came in much higher (far above market). Of course the highballing appraiser's identity was redacted in the relevant document...
  48. For those of us who remember the 2007-8 mortgage meltdown caused financial crisis, let us not forget that other tear jerking headline:

    Something like: “Black homeowners face double the default rate as others…”

    This was of course because the fed govt. greatly loosened credit requirements for federally guaranteed mortgages to precisely encourage poor credit blacks (and others) to buy homes.

    These same tear jerker stories about deadbeat blacks (who got all the tea and sympathy in these stories, not others) were replete with tales of how their “dreams of ownership were shattered” by uh, reasons.

    It was boldly suggested that evil whites lured unsuspecting blacks, who in these cases had only been renters, to their financial doom by taking out mortgages.

    So while there are many black homeowners (like one of my next door neighbors) who pay their mortgages, these special government “let’s help blacks” rules end up failing. Of course this was done in the era when it was touted that the “buy on minimum down” and “flip in a year for 20% profit” was the quick road to wealth.

    The Quick-Flip Road to Wealth didn’t last long and those who fell for this, of whatever race, ended up with a defaulted mortgage.

    Of course whatever the measure, unless blacks come out ahead of everyone else, “racism” is trotted out as the Universal Explainer.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Muggles

    That's why they keep returning to this topic: it's a win-win for them. No matter which angle one takes it can always be spun into a 'racist against blacks' story.

    Whatever. We don't have blacks in Australia but I see lots of articles worrying about housing anyway. I also recall seeing articles several years ago lamenting that Millennials aren't as interested in taking out mortgages as their parents. I suspect the deeper reason is that those who've made their wealth from property are worried about a systemic shift occurring, so we're bombarded with 'rah rah home ownership forever' pieces to discourage us from thinking about how we could restructure the economy so that people could live without saddling themselves with a huge mortgage.

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Muggles

    I remember a news story about a black woman who earned $45k a year getting approved for a $750k home with an adjustable rate mortgage. Two years after she "bought" the house the mortgage went from $1300 a month, to $4500 and she could no longer afford it, so she lost her home. She was on the news blaming the bank, but not herself for not reading the paperwork, or purchasing a home well beyond her price range or means.

    It's the equivalent of having a decent job and good credit, then buying a Ferrari and acting surprised when they repo it in 4 months.

  49. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    Good for him. Between this and that javelin thing he was doing the other day, it looks like he at least is enjoying his billions a bit.

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work? Is it connected to a torpedo or something? What if he wants to stop? Does he jump off? Or is someone else at the controls?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work?

    Maybe like this?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Computer-generated_imagery

    Replies: @Anon

    , @vhrm
    @Almost Missouri

    They come in unpowered and electric versions. In that one Zuck appears to be wakefoiling on an unpowered board surfing the wake of a boat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XqgHP3uNcc

    Replies: @anon

  50. @Almost Missouri
    @Desiderius

    Good for him. Between this and that javelin thing he was doing the other day, it looks like he at least is enjoying his billions a bit.

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work? Is it connected to a torpedo or something? What if he wants to stop? Does he jump off? Or is someone else at the controls?

    Replies: @anon, @vhrm

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work?

    Maybe like this?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Computer-generated_imagery

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon


    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work?
     
    There is a "foil" in the water, i.e., a wing, which produces lift in water just like a wing on an airplane. Hydrofoil boats have these. The recent America's Cup yachts have had them and sail completely out of the water. The IMOCA60 60-foot racing yachts in their more recent versions have two movable foils on the right and left sides at the front that can lift the front of the boat when the the boat is heeled to one side, as sailboats usually are. IMOCAs are the class used in the three month single-handed solo around-the-world Vendee Globe race every four years, and in last year's race these foils were breaking like crazy and disabling boats. The designs are carbon fiber, which means they are very strong ... until they aren't, at which point they explode into smithereens. The Vendee Globe is essentially an Antarctica circumnavigation just outside the ice zone, and the seas are really rough. There were several rescues, including a guy whose boat sunk on him at night and he was found floating in some sort of marine survival suit by another competitor, very dramatic rescue footage.
  51. Congressman Al Green fights for the rights of Neanderthal-American (and Denisovan-Americans), ending the dominance of Cro-Magnon-Americans…

  52. @Triteleia Laxa

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Why such a huge disparity?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes, @Elli, @Buffalo Joe

    Why such a huge disparity?

    This story, and other stories like it, could be restated far more briefly as “Blacks make worse borrowing decisions than other races.” But that’s not Narrative-Compliant, so instead they write thousand-word pretzel-logic stories to trying to hammer the square peg of black underperformance into the round hole of every-result-must-be-equal-at-all-times. Reading these articles can actually make people dumber.

  53. @Reg Cæsar

    It is a totally ridiculous supposition.
     
    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.

    Which reminds me... anyone know what would happen if you inserted* one of these into Cardi B?


    https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/32684/silica-gel-packets.jpg



    *With her consent, of course.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.

    On the other hand, oral administration results in this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin

    I prefer diatomaceous earth. If we are ever invaded by hostile aliens with exoskeletons, Chad will become the most important country on the planet.

    There are worse things than silica gel:



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bkQ0RFTHvIo

  54. @Joe Stalin
    Don't banks have a duty NOT to lose bank depositor's money? Isn't that the whole point of prudent lending?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Papinian, @Redneck farmer, @Wade Hampton

    That’s so 20th Century!

  55. @Triteleia Laxa

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Why such a huge disparity?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes, @Elli, @Buffalo Joe

    Black people love to borrow money. They don’t ask what is the price. They don’t ask what is the total aggregate payback. They want to know if they can afford the payments.

    “How much is the notes?”

    And you wonder why jews love negroes?

    How much of the 2007 (sub-prime) mortgage crisis was loans to negroes? I am pretty sure it was closer to 50% than it was to 15%.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Morton's toes

    Money lenders tend to dislike people who will never pay them back.

    , @Possumman
    @Morton's toes

    I sold land Rovers and Cadillacs for a bit while in between jobs---had an NFL player come in to buy a Range Rover---the F&I guy couldn't get him bought anywhere his credit was so dirty--and we had some credit options that would really hit you in the head--they put a mirror under your nose and if you fogged it you got bought

    Replies: @JMcG

  56. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.
     
    I'd be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it's a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    https://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/img/paul_about.png

    Replies: @vhrm, @Hibernian, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it’s a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    in before 🙂

    That’s Antoni Gaudí, of course, on the grounds of a house he designed.
    https://www.gonomad.com/178445-antoni-gaudis-home-in-comillas-in-cantabria

    Ok, I had no idea who it was. Interestingly Google’s search by image can’t find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately (though mostly on stock photo sites). One way to think about it is that google jumps to conclusions about what about that image you’re looking for and doesn’t consider (or more likely prunes ) other alternatives.

    Bing image search doesn’t find it in either way although bing’s visual search allows you to do a crop right in the browser which is pretty neat.

    Nor did text searches for bronze statues of men sitting looking up yield anything helpful.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @vhrm

    Thanks. I assumed it was in Philadelphia.

    Philadelphia is about the same latitude as Toledo. The original Toledo. Barcelona is about that of Chicago-- and Toledo, Ohio.

    , @mapman
    @vhrm


    Google’s search by image can’t find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately ... Bing image search doesn’t find it in either way

     

    Two of our biggest tech giants can't get picture search right. In comparison, the Russian Yandex search engine finds it right away, together with several similar images of other men in the same setting.

    We are sliding into mediocrity and losing competitive edge on everything that matters.

    Replies: @vhrm

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.
     
    I'd be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it's a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    https://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/img/paul_about.png

    Replies: @vhrm, @Hibernian, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    I’d be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Even if DC became 90% white, it’d still be as left wing as it is now, and the statehood movement would continue. True, the racial angle, now at the forefront of that movement, would become muted. Retrocession to MD might become acceptable.

    • Agree: bomag
  58. @Muggles
    For those of us who remember the 2007-8 mortgage meltdown caused financial crisis, let us not forget that other tear jerking headline:

    Something like: "Black homeowners face double the default rate as others..."

    This was of course because the fed govt. greatly loosened credit requirements for federally guaranteed mortgages to precisely encourage poor credit blacks (and others) to buy homes.

    These same tear jerker stories about deadbeat blacks (who got all the tea and sympathy in these stories, not others) were replete with tales of how their "dreams of ownership were shattered" by uh, reasons.

    It was boldly suggested that evil whites lured unsuspecting blacks, who in these cases had only been renters, to their financial doom by taking out mortgages.

    So while there are many black homeowners (like one of my next door neighbors) who pay their mortgages, these special government "let's help blacks" rules end up failing. Of course this was done in the era when it was touted that the "buy on minimum down" and "flip in a year for 20% profit" was the quick road to wealth.

    The Quick-Flip Road to Wealth didn't last long and those who fell for this, of whatever race, ended up with a defaulted mortgage.

    Of course whatever the measure, unless blacks come out ahead of everyone else, "racism" is trotted out as the Universal Explainer.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Sick 'n Tired

    That’s why they keep returning to this topic: it’s a win-win for them. No matter which angle one takes it can always be spun into a ‘racist against blacks’ story.

    Whatever. We don’t have blacks in Australia but I see lots of articles worrying about housing anyway. I also recall seeing articles several years ago lamenting that Millennials aren’t as interested in taking out mortgages as their parents. I suspect the deeper reason is that those who’ve made their wealth from property are worried about a systemic shift occurring, so we’re bombarded with ‘rah rah home ownership forever’ pieces to discourage us from thinking about how we could restructure the economy so that people could live without saddling themselves with a huge mortgage.

  59. So, blacks can’t make it on their own.

    Was slavery their best economic opportunity?

  60. @Yancey Ward
    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    Replies: @Alden, @Abe, @frankie p, @Lurker, @Nicholas Stix

    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    A HARD DAY’S SH!T THAT NEVER HAPPENED, WITH ALL NEW COMMENTARY BY PAUL MCCARTNEY

  61. @vhrm
    @Reg Cæsar


    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it’s a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.
     
    in before @res :-)

    That's Antoni Gaudí, of course, on the grounds of a house he designed.
    https://www.gonomad.com/178445-antoni-gaudis-home-in-comillas-in-cantabria

    Ok, I had no idea who it was. Interestingly Google's search by image can't find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately (though mostly on stock photo sites). One way to think about it is that google jumps to conclusions about what about that image you're looking for and doesn't consider (or more likely prunes ) other alternatives.

    Bing image search doesn't find it in either way although bing's visual search allows you to do a crop right in the browser which is pretty neat.

    Nor did text searches for bronze statues of men sitting looking up yield anything helpful.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @mapman

    Thanks. I assumed it was in Philadelphia.

    Philadelphia is about the same latitude as Toledo. The original Toledo. Barcelona is about that of Chicago– and Toledo, Ohio.

  62. And all this is founded on the premise that all groups are exactly equal in genetics, values, behavioral choices etc, and so that any differences in group outcome must be due to racism, and so the country must be vandalized until everyone is equally bad off. The premise cannot be questioned, which indicates we are basically living in a theocracy (the religion of egalitarianism).

    • Agree: res
  63. @STL

    The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.
     
    I think the author means exacerbated, not exasperated. Is getting this correct too much to ask for a news publication?

    Replies: @Papinian, @Gary in Gramercy

    This may be the most remarkable thing about the piece.

  64. @Almost Missouri
    @Desiderius

    Good for him. Between this and that javelin thing he was doing the other day, it looks like he at least is enjoying his billions a bit.

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work? Is it connected to a torpedo or something? What if he wants to stop? Does he jump off? Or is someone else at the controls?

    Replies: @anon, @vhrm

    They come in unpowered and electric versions. In that one Zuck appears to be wakefoiling on an unpowered board surfing the wake of a boat.

    • Replies: @anon
    @vhrm

    Thanks!

  65. I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.

    This would make a pretty good opening to a Mentoes commercial.

    • LOL: additionalMike
  66. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    Fraud. Not an American. No loyalty to Americans. A globalist pimple looting America.

    • Agree: Kylie, John Johnson, Dnought
  67. @vhrm
    @Almost Missouri

    They come in unpowered and electric versions. In that one Zuck appears to be wakefoiling on an unpowered board surfing the wake of a boat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XqgHP3uNcc

    Replies: @anon

    Thanks!

  68. As such, lenders “on the ground” may well not see that what they’re doing is discrimination,

    Yeah, yeah, lenders on the ground are discriminating. Discriminating against shitty 450 credit scores, confirming job and income claims and so on. Unless we return to the no-document form of loan process that wrecked things 15 years ago, the credit scores, job and income verification process required for obtaining a mortgage simply isn’t leaving us.

  69. @Yancey Ward
    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    Replies: @Alden, @Abe, @frankie p, @Lurker, @Nicholas Stix

    You probably also don’t believe that the three brilliant mathematicians featured in the movie Hidden Figures weren’t completely responsible for the USA winning the Space Race! How could the white supremacist establishment, with its systemic racism oozing from every pore of society, keep such important information from the public, how Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughn, and Mary Jackson, with absolutely no help from feeble-minded white males, drove the math behind NASA and every facet of the US space race. They even flew the space missions themselves, but they couldn’t include that in the movie; it would show that NASA lied about absolutely EVERYTHING, even, perhaps, putting a man on the moon! Heaven forbid!

  70. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.
     
    I'd be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it's a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    https://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/img/paul_about.png

    Replies: @vhrm, @Hibernian, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    The statue’s head looks up and away from the goon groping it. Imagine the indignities the statue has had to endure over the years. Look at its face; it speaks silently of pain.

    • LOL: bomag
  71. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    “In an old house in Paris that was covered with vines. Lived twelve little girls in two straight lines. In two straight lines they broke their bread, and brushed their teeth and went to bed. They smiled at the good, and frowned at the bad, and sometimes they were very sad. They left the house at half past nine, in two straight lines, in rain or shine. The smallest one was Madeline.”

    The world would be a better place if life, people and times were more like in that book in Europe and the US than in the bizarre reality that we are faced with today.

  72. @Muggles
    For those of us who remember the 2007-8 mortgage meltdown caused financial crisis, let us not forget that other tear jerking headline:

    Something like: "Black homeowners face double the default rate as others..."

    This was of course because the fed govt. greatly loosened credit requirements for federally guaranteed mortgages to precisely encourage poor credit blacks (and others) to buy homes.

    These same tear jerker stories about deadbeat blacks (who got all the tea and sympathy in these stories, not others) were replete with tales of how their "dreams of ownership were shattered" by uh, reasons.

    It was boldly suggested that evil whites lured unsuspecting blacks, who in these cases had only been renters, to their financial doom by taking out mortgages.

    So while there are many black homeowners (like one of my next door neighbors) who pay their mortgages, these special government "let's help blacks" rules end up failing. Of course this was done in the era when it was touted that the "buy on minimum down" and "flip in a year for 20% profit" was the quick road to wealth.

    The Quick-Flip Road to Wealth didn't last long and those who fell for this, of whatever race, ended up with a defaulted mortgage.

    Of course whatever the measure, unless blacks come out ahead of everyone else, "racism" is trotted out as the Universal Explainer.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Sick 'n Tired

    I remember a news story about a black woman who earned $45k a year getting approved for a $750k home with an adjustable rate mortgage. Two years after she “bought” the house the mortgage went from $1300 a month, to $4500 and she could no longer afford it, so she lost her home. She was on the news blaming the bank, but not herself for not reading the paperwork, or purchasing a home well beyond her price range or means.

    It’s the equivalent of having a decent job and good credit, then buying a Ferrari and acting surprised when they repo it in 4 months.

  73. I suspect we will eventually be seeing proposals to tax capital gains when whites sell houses to whites (or white-adjacents) and use the money to subsidize blacks buying homes in white neighborhoods.

    I suspect it will be called the Fairness in Housing Act of 2021.

  74. America’s housing market is racist. Congress could easily help fix it if they wanted to.

    [email protected] (Skylar Baker-Jordan) 6 days ago

    As a rule, I make it a point not to pay attention to anything said by anyone named “Skylar”, especially if that person is ostensibly a man who also has a hypenated surname. I see no reason to change that rule in this case.

    This guy is some whiney, pudgy gay millenial Limey who writes about America. It’s amazing how many Brits think they are experts on America. They aren’t (with a few exceptions, like Mr. Derbyshire).

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    There’s one Englishman who knows little about America who comments profusely on this site.

    , @Rob McX
    @Mr. Anon

    Yikes. This guy has to be seen to be believed. He looks exactly the sort who'd get seven shades of shit kicked out of him by the oppressed blacks he loves so much.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1405330501305573379/TYzTPf0x_400x400.jpg

    He is American, however, but in addition to writing on his home country, he also comments on UK politics, about which I assume he's equally clueless.

    https://youtu.be/LrNXeR3ZFV8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Ben tillman
    @Mr. Anon

    Lurker and LondonBob are well-informed.

    Replies: @Lurker

  75. Set aside one trillion dollars for the creation of the Black Bank of America. No need to add more layers of bureaucracy to the federal government. All black directors and executives, loaning only to blacks. Check back in a few years and see how that works out. Oh, and a mortgage is a loan and you are supposed to back it back and there in lies the problem.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Buffalo Joe

    No need to wait a few years, Joe - Zimbabwe already tried that experiment. It worked so well, they had to print money in 100 Trillion dollar denominations just to keep up with all the newfound wealth they were rolling in.

  76. @Joe Stalin
    Don't banks have a duty NOT to lose bank depositor's money? Isn't that the whole point of prudent lending?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Papinian, @Redneck farmer, @Wade Hampton

    I should hope a bank has multiple depositors, in which case, it must safeguard its depositors’ money.

  77. Everyone needs to remember that about 2/3 of the current housing stock in the U.S. was built after 1969 and the passing of the Fair Housing Act. Every article on housing implies that the number of houses the exist today is the same as existed in the 1968 when in reality, most housing in the U.S was never redlined and never had any racial restrictions.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  78. proprty taxes are one way they squeeze working class whites. They prefer to print dollars and inflate away the social security fund we have paid into for 40 years. They issue big omnibus bills that hand money to commie states and bail out pension funds. All of it then comes from white savings and white retirement

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  79. Hey Stevo,
    Looking at the Zman flying on his board, ever wonder how many Jewish brains were eliminated from the Business Cycle by the New Left?

  80. The minoritarian whine.

    Earlier this year, a study of house prices in Chicago’s Black and Latino neighborhoods showed there was a gap of $324,000 in the values of those homes between comparable properties in white neighborhoods. While this may seem astronomically high, the same sociologists who looked at Chicago’s study found last year that this is a national problem, with the gap being $245,000 nationwide.

    I realize we’ve been taken over by the mercantilists who think–and blather–that high house prices are a good thing. They are not. They may be a sign that your local economy is “hot”. But having to pay more for something you must consume is not a positive.

    For example, this house is worth about 6x what i paid for it … whooeee. Except that i have children whom need their own housing–expensive. And ideally something like this house–or better–to do “family formation”. If you’re something more than a mercantilist and care about things like “children”, “the future”, “the nation”, then the housing price explosion is a very bad thing.

    The minoritarians’ immigration driven destruction of the classic American gift of cheap land and dear labor is an ‘effing disaster. That’s something–an actual policy, that has very, very negatively affected American blacks, as it has all Americans–he could honestly bitch about.

    But he’s bitching that blacks get to pay less for housing. LOL.

    Now, of course, the reason for that is it is housing in neighborhoods … with other blacks!

    Now he could argue that there is benefit because living around blacks is just objectively worse. But then the argument is over.

    In actual fact real estate is an area where whites are cheated. Blacks have essentially destroyed trillions in white wealth–confiscating some share for themselves–simply because whites under minoritarianism are unable to legally preserve their neighborhoods for themselves. Whites must actually pay a “good schools” premium to simply live normally–with their own people, culture and rule-of-law. A premium many have lost as “diversity” chases them down.

  81. Elli says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Why such a huge disparity?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes, @Elli, @Buffalo Joe

    Blacks average younger than whites, that would tend to push student debt up compared to whites. Are Hispanics less likely to attend college or trade school than blacks? If so that pushes black debt up.

    Are blacks more likely to max out student debt and use money for other purposes? I knew a married couple, not black, who used a student loan for a fancy vacation.

  82. Repatriations, not reparations!

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  83. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    This (unbelievable) story is a counterpoint to the claims that white gentrifiers are inflating the value of inner city property and thereby causing the taxes of the long time residents to go up.
     
    I'd be saddened to see the gentrification of Washington in any way stalled. With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it's a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.

    https://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/img/paul_about.png

    Replies: @vhrm, @Hibernian, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    With a clear white majority there, not only would statehood be exposed as no more than a baldfaced Democratic power play, so would the retention of the 23rd Amendment.

    D.C. statehood is an openly, illogical, sleazy Democrat power play.

    If there is no problem with DC being in a state–the whole point of the original concept was to free it from the control of any state–then just give it back to Maryland. (The Virginia piece was restored long ago.)

    Frankly, i’m fine with that, or just repealing the ridiculous 23rd amendment flat out. But more useful would be Republicans dispersing legitimate functions of government throughout the land and as much as possible just junking most of the bureaucracy, a parasite feeding on America. (Then start to work shrinking the Wall Street parasite as well.)

    • Agree: bomag, Ben tillman
  84. When you buy a house about half of what you’re buying is the quality of neighbors you will have, and the quality of children your children will attend school with.

    There are plenty of places in the Rocky Mountain West that are every bit as pretty as Aspen, Ketchum, Jackson Hole, and Park City. So why do people pay a huge premium to live in such towns? Because of the other people who live in those towns.

    Black people may not love living in neighborhoods surrounded by lots of other black people, but for the vast majority of them it’s at least tolerable. For whites the prospect of living in a black neighborhood is far less tolerable, and often isn’t even safe. So whites have far more incentive to buy homes in neighborhoods where they won’t be surrounded by blacks. White neighborhoods appeal to everyone. Black neighborhoods appeal only to blacks. White neighborhoods appeal to people who have more money. Black neighborhoods do not.

    These are all just basic facts of life and economics that explain why white homes tend to appreciate more in value than black homes do. The fact that whites actually take care of their homes is the other. Homes require a lot of maintenance, which requires money and at least a little knowledge. If you don’t maintain them their value can decline precipitously.

    Another reason white homes are appreciating so much, relative to black homes? Mass immigration. As the white share of the population shrinks, there are fewer and fewer places where whites want to buy. Those places become more valuable. Want to shrink the black/white home value gap? Stop letting in so many damn immigrants.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  85. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hangnail Hans
    @Achmed E. Newman


    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Yeah but. Yeah but my associates degree from the Afrika Me'shwllna Bambattaaa Graduate School of Uptown Cosmetology cost $170,000 so I had to take government loans to go with them pell grants. All y'all white people can pay it off with your tax money. Restorative Preparations.

    Replies: @Anon

    The government is getting behind a massive push for blacks and browns to go to college so it can load them up with student debt. The government has huge deficits, and it can only raise taxes so much, so they’ve decided they need an alterative source of revenue, namely the interest on students loans.

    The government doesn’t want those smart white males who pay off their students loans in 4 years. They want dumb blacks and browns who can’t manage their money to be paying it off for 40 years. The government makes a LOT more money that way by targeting idiot POCs instead of smart whites.

    The government, through student loans, has become like that nasty credit card company that targets those with bad credit by giving them high-interest-only credit cards.

    The government has become like that notorious company store that uses credit to permanently ensnare black sharecroppers in eternal debt.

    In a way, it’s fitting that someone trying to crawl out of the ghetto should be forced to pay back all the welfare they parasitized off of. It’s the only way the government is going to make the parasites pay anything back for those years of Section 8 and EBT cards.

    However, it means the poorer people in this country, if they want to go to college and take out loans, are in essence being double-taxed by the government if they want a job that pays anything.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    TwoEightZero, state governments can and do give away free college to mimorities. They are in fact giving away nothing when they give out tuition free (State) college to POC. Harder to give away free houses.

  86. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    There are three types of discrimination which ECOA forbids: overt discrimination, comparative discrimination, and disparate impact. … Comparative discrimination results from “differences in treatment that are not fully explained by legitimate nondiscriminatory factors,” according to the Federal Reserve. The last type of discrimination, disparate impact, “occurs when a lender applies a racially (or otherwise) neutral policy or practice equally to all credit applicants but the policy or practice disproportionately excludes or burdens certain persons on a prohibited basis.”

    Disparate impact is simply statistics. If blacks get fewer loans, or less money overall in loans, or fewer loans for properties in certain areas, or any other non-trivial (plus/minus 20 percent) difference in ultimate outcome, a lender could be sued. This was case law, and was weakened by the courts, but eventually started to get written into statute, which makes it harder to overturn. And it should be overturned. It ranks up with “implicit bias” as African witchcraft/hoodoo: invisible discrimination that permeates the atmosphere but cannot be identified.

    Comparative discrimination I’ve never heard of. Let’s look more closely at this. Here’s an example (the only example) from the FDIC compliance manual of “Comparative Evidence of Disparate Treatment.”

    Example: A non-minority couple applied for an automobile loan. The lender found adverse information in the couple’s credit report. The lender discussed the credit report with them and determined that the adverse information, a judgment against the couple, was incorrect because the judgment had been vacated. The non-minority couple was granted their loan. A minority couple applied for a similar loan with the same lender. Upon discovering adverse information in the minority couple’s credit report, the lender denied the loan application on the basis of the adverse information without giving the couple an opportunity to discuss the report.

    The foregoing is an example of disparate treatment of similarly situated applicants, apparently based on a prohibited factor, in the amount of assistance and information the lender provided.

    If a lender has apparently treated similar applicants differently on the basis of a prohibited factor, it must provide an explanation for the difference in treatment. If the lender’s explanation is found to be not credible, the agency may find that the lender discriminated.

    So overt discrimination is when, for example, two different policies for two different groups (e.g., different credit card limits for different age groups) and disparate impact is when an otherwise neutral policy mysteriously results in worse results for a group (e.g., where a floor on lending amounts over a decade results in fewer loans to blacks, perhaps because they seek lending for cheaper houses). But comparative discrimination is when a justifiable practice (checking for a vacated judgment) is used only for one group.

    I think the idea is that a lender might try harder to help a white borrower get around the rules than that would help a black borrower. This could be simple racism in the classic sense, animus towards the outgroup, but it could also be an understandable workaround when banks are not allowed to use other reliable predictive techniques. For instance, let’s say that savings cannot be considered, because that’s racist, since there is a “racial wealth gap,” caused by redlining, or so they say. But the bank knows that this is a hugely predictive factor. I could see them compensating by setting up other strict rules, but then getting more creative when whites with savings accounts show up.

  87. @vhrm
    @Reg Cæsar


    Now, a question to commenters in general: Anyone recognize this statue? Where is it? Who is it? I assume it’s a mathematician, like his follically-challenged admirer.
     
    in before @res :-)

    That's Antoni Gaudí, of course, on the grounds of a house he designed.
    https://www.gonomad.com/178445-antoni-gaudis-home-in-comillas-in-cantabria

    Ok, I had no idea who it was. Interestingly Google's search by image can't find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately (though mostly on stock photo sites). One way to think about it is that google jumps to conclusions about what about that image you're looking for and doesn't consider (or more likely prunes ) other alternatives.

    Bing image search doesn't find it in either way although bing's visual search allows you to do a crop right in the browser which is pretty neat.

    Nor did text searches for bronze statues of men sitting looking up yield anything helpful.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @mapman

    Google’s search by image can’t find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately … Bing image search doesn’t find it in either way

    Two of our biggest tech giants can’t get picture search right. In comparison, the Russian Yandex search engine finds it right away, together with several similar images of other men in the same setting.

    We are sliding into mediocrity and losing competitive edge on everything that matters.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @mapman

    Huh. Didn't think to try Yandex, but you're right that they win this one handily.

  88. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time.

    He has another skill set, he is gifted at malapropism. The following sentence is a classic " The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    Replies: @Papinian, @Alfa158, @additionalMike

    You know, “exasperated” comes from “asper”, and “exacerbated” comes from “acer”. I’d bet we all understand the distinction in English, but can we all grasp the different senses of the Latin words?

    The unabridged Lewis and Short has two full columns on “asper” (not to be confused with Asper, the grammarian). Apparently, it’s connected with άσπαίρω; originally meant “hopeless, desperate” (spes!), coming to mean “harsh, severe”. (although this dictionary just discusses, it doesn’t define. How frustrating.)

    “Acer”, on the other hand, is “sharp, pointed, piercing” (If the first vowel is long; otherwise, it means the wood of a maple tree.), although from the first example, “praestans valetudine, viribus, forma, acerrimis integerrimis sensibus” (this is a very sexy man, indeed!), it has a wide application. Related to the German “Ecke” and the English “edge”.

    What’s my point? I guess I just feel somewhat forgiving. Yes, indeed, it is a malapropism, and yes, it is shocking that the writer penned it, and that the editor overlooked it. But, I suppose I can understand an indifference to the distinction. After all, nobody is in doubt about the meaning. And indeed, there are known depths to these words which I have not plumbed, several columns’ worth! Let he who is without blame cast the first stone.

    On the other hand, the error reveals the alienness of the writer. He doesn’t know the distinction. He probably doesn’t care, either.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Papinian

    άσπαίρω is a Greek, first person, singular, present, active, indicative verb meaning, “I take.” I can’t find any sources relating it to the Latin word “asper,” which you have correctly translated.

    That said, thanks for correcting kaganovitch and making clear the difference between the two words. Kaganovitch may simply be a victim of the dictation software he may have been using.

  89. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Something I stumbled across flipping through Michael Levin’s book:

    Sternberg (1994) also reports that the mean IQ of black females is several points higher than that of black males.

    referencing

    Sternberg, R. J. ed. 1994. Encyclopedia of Human Intelligence. New York: Macmillan.

    Sternberg seems like a progressive:

    As the accumulating evidence has made group differences harder to deny, one is apt to be told that even if they exist they do not matter. Psychologist Robert Sternberg dismisses black/white differences in intelligence with a curt “So what?” (Sternberg 1985: 244). Pursuing the issue, he says, “can only give comfort to those who would like nothing better than to hear the explicit message that blacks will have a greater handicap in the educational, occupational, and military assignments that are most highly correlated with measures of general intelligence.”

    And in Wikipedia:

    Sternberg has criticized IQ tests, saying they are “convenient partial operationalizations of the construct of intelligence, and nothing more. They do not provide the kind of measurement of intelligence that tape measures provide of height.”

    Yet …

    In 1995, he was on an American Psychological Association task force writing a consensus statement on the state of intelligence research in response to the claims being advanced amid the Bell Curve controversy, titled “Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns.”

    I haven’t heard this “black women are smarter than black men” thing anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    operationalizations of the construct
     
    ???
    , @Charlotte
    @Anon

    I’ve seen that finding discussed somewhere on Unz—I think on James Thompson’s blog. It doesn’t seem to fit with most IQ research.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anon

    I heard it from Harry Belafonte decades ago.

  90. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time.

    He has another skill set, he is gifted at malapropism. The following sentence is a classic " The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    Replies: @Papinian, @Alfa158, @additionalMike

    At last we know Tiny Duck’s identity and what his day job is.

  91. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    Keeping Tyler (a fad boy’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910. I don’t think this was a Boomer fad. (There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).
     
    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @JMcG, @Coemgen, @slumber_j

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910.
     
    19,153 female Taylors were born just in 1996, and 7,688 male ones in 1993, the top years for each sex. 30,481 male Tylers were born in 1994. Compared with about 165 Taylors and 30 Tylers of both sexes per year up to 1940-- many with those surnames to be found in their recent ancestry.


    Don't tell me these aren't late-20th-century fads.
  92. @Wade Hampton

    Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.
     
    Control for credit score and get back to me. Or not.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston produced a study some years bank contending there was descrimination in mortgage lending. Thomas Sowell pointed out the default rate of the two subpopulations of borrowers was the same.

  93. “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner. ”

    I was unhappy to read about this too and would support laws that attempted to prevent this.

    But the overall reason blacks don’t have houses like whites do is that their parents can’t help them out and that they make so much less than whites. Also a lot of the lower priced housing they used to have has been taken away from them through gentrification. There are no magic wands that will change this.

    I will never understand why people complain about the lower cost of housing in minority neighborhoods as being a bad thing. Yes there is a certain logic to wanting maximum prices, just like any seller in America wishes their property were in Silicon Valley instead of where it really is. But most buyers rely on affordability because they are not rich and that’s even more true of blacks and Hispanics. Looking at real estate only through the eyes of sellers is idiotic. Talking about equity and discrimination without considering the huge differences between what certain Americans earn vs. others is equally ridiculous and frankly pointless.

    You can’t reconcile the desire to have affordable housing for minorities with the desire to keep on importing poor people from overseas which inevitably increases the price of that housing. You cannot write a law that will make the average wages and education levels of blacks equal to the those of whites next week.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @notsaying


    I was unhappy to read about this too and would support laws that attempted to prevent this.
     
    Would you support laws that attempt to prevent people from telling falsifiable lies?

    Replies: @notsaying

  94. Rob says:

    I’m not well-read on the Great American Ethnic Cleansing of the Cities post desegregation, but if RE kinda worked like a market, then the first x% of black buyers into a neighborhood paid white prices. Then the white neighbors experienced the enrichment of diversity. When the bleeding stopped, and it was obvious that the cops could/would not help, the neighbors sold at much lower prices than they expected to sell for, if they had not planned to live their lives in those houses – white people had communities back then – many sold for a lot less than they paid, right?

    Well those white people racistly fleeing black crime and grime got what they deserved, right, Guvnah? Anyway, the saintly blacks that first moved in, they paid white neighborhood prices for houses that turned ou to be in the ghetto, right? They lost a lot of money?

    Why do these advocates for blacks want to put yet more blacks in that crappy situation? Because that’s what will happen, if the fed forces people to sell blacks bigger loans than reasonable lenders would. The optimistic, somewhat on the ball bunch of blacks will take out 0.25 million dollar loans (when a fair market would sell them a 0.1 million dollar loans) they will buy into nice neighborhoods. Their ne’er do well relatives will crash in their nice pads. The canary in the coal (heh) mines will sell their houses to other blacks looking to escape their fellows into this nice, diverse neighborhood. The whites will sell for good neighborhood prices to blacks who get good neighborhood loans. Then some black kids will beat up younger white kids. Then a coal-curious, or just naive, 14 year old will be raped by a few ‘teens’. Then 2 blacks will have an altercation re:who sells weed to the whites. One black will beat up the other. That other will get some of his homies from the slum his mama left. They will perform a ‘drive-by’. Then all the GoodWhites and dumb white single moms will get the message. They will sell at ‘get me away from these [African Americans]!’ prices.

    Now there is a new ghetto with lousy schools and older, formerly house poor, now just poor, whites who cannot move. Rinse and repeat for thousands of ‘hoods, and suddenly another 50 trillion dollars of wealth is up in smoke. Only this will happen in a 40% white country with no manufacturing base. Along withChinese in China who do not see America as a safe bolt-hole, but as Brazil, but more so. At least China will have a stable government. Whatever their age pyramid will look like then, it won’t have a base of savage blacks.

    The only consolation? Jews will have realized that, try as they might, there was no helping those dumb goy in America. They will have decamped to Israel. Then Americans (if any are left) can begin re-industrializing sans minoritarianism.

    Back to the present. With lots of people working from home, if that keeps going, a lot of people are going to start moving to states with docile, isolated blacks or few blacks. How will the feds handle the ‘local workforce demographics’ for racial discrimination lottery players? Like, could a company in Boise with some employees in the Atlanta exurbs be sued by Atlanta metro blacks for not employing blacks in proportion to the Atlanta (or national) demographic proportions?

  95. ‘A recent study from the McKinsey Global Institute found that Black Americans make on average 30% less than white Americans.’

    More race-based statistics which are totally valid.

    Why are race-based statistics about IQ not valid?

    • Agree: Rob McX
  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    https://www.clientwise.com/hs-fs/hubfs/July-4th-801709792.jpg?width=2121&name=July-4th-801709792.jpg

    Replies: @Kibernetika, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad

    Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    And a happy 4th to you, too, sir. Seems like a different world, but there was a time when I proudly marched in parades, carrying the flag, on the Fourth. If the current ruling class disapproves, can I “clap back” at them and tell them that these are my “lived experiences?” They can all go to hell. Thank you.

  97. The rush to the “magic dirt” of suburbia and home equity:

  98. Equity Requires Equity, Your Home Equity

    The name’s Mequity. Ho Mequity.

    • LOL: Sick of Orcs
  99. @STL

    The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.
     
    I think the author means exacerbated, not exasperated. Is getting this correct too much to ask for a news publication?

    Replies: @Papinian, @Gary in Gramercy

    “You go to print with the editors you have, not the editors you wish you had.”

    Besides, if young Skylar is black, what editor who wants to keep his job dares tell him he committed a malapropism or neologism, i.e., got it wrong? Better to let it slide in the interest of…equity.

  100. Russ says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents.

    The first bastardization of Brittany as a name (that I had seen) was in the case of Britney Spears, who has been in the news lately. Seems that her father has her on some legally mandated birth control though she is well past age 21. The irony is too rich.

  101. Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

    Note the emphasis on rates of rejection instead of rates of acceptance. And no mention of what those rates are.

    It could just be that 10% of white applicants and 18% of black applicants are rejected – which would mean that 82% of black mortgage applicants were successful, versus 90% of whites. Hardly a disparity worth getting worked up over.

    A holistic look at America’s housing market shows that it disadvantages people of color in some startling and systemic ways that are not always obvious at the loan level.

    And then the author proceeds to write an article that explains not at all what those “systemic” disadvantages actually are.

    The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.

    So from 1970-2020: just after the passage of the Great Society programs, during massive increases in black crime rates, and as black illegitimacy was skyrocketing.

    Perhaps the biggest single predictor of home ownership, aside from age, is marital status. IIRC, married people are about twice as likely to own homes as the unmarried – and black marriage rates have tanked over the last 50 years. The fact that their home ownership rates actually increased during that time frame should probably be regarded as a huge success.

    Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020

    I suspect 100 years of urbanization – and then suburbanization – had something to do with that.

    This problem is then compounded by further economic inequalities Black Americans face. A recent study from the McKinsey Global Institute found that Black Americans make on average 30% less than white Americans. A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019. Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.

    What’s the disparity look like for Jews vs non-Jews on these metrics, and how come it’s never treated as a social crisis in need of a government solution?

    Debt-to-income and loan-to-value ratios have been higher for Black and Latino Americans.

    Debt-to-income ratios are higher? So is the problem that banks aren’t lending to blacks, or that they’re lending them too much?

    It will also require lenders to assess and even change policies which are currently leading to discrimination within the mortgage industry, whether unintentional or not.

    Unintentional discrimination…is not discrimination. That would be policies adopted by lenders to ensure they are likely to have their loans paid back.

    So basically any policy which causes banks to lend less to blacks than to whites would be discrimination. Either you would have to have no such policies at all, or you would have to actively discriminate against white loan applicants.

    Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood.

    This is stupid. Houses are never, ever going to go unsold because of a shortage of loan officers.

    the possibility for comparative discrimination is obvious but would only be apparent to someone looking at the totality of a loan officer’s or company’s production

    So the government is going to get into the business of forcing individual loan officers to write mortgages on lower value homes?

    Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.

    Bullshit.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey

    So basically any policy which causes banks to lend less to blacks than to whites would be discrimination. Either you would have to have no such policies at all, or you would have to actively discriminate against white loan applicants.

    In other words, "equity" has certain requirements...that must be met, because the only alternative is raycism.

  102. They didn’t even factor in “Sailer’s Law” so who can truly believe how good a neighborhood is?

    https://apnews.com/article/fort-worth-shootings-175177fd214a9bc2fb3c5cbed567d623

  103. @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Keeping Tyler (a fad boy’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910. I don't think this was a Boomer fad. (There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, 'Evan' the most prevalent).

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar

    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).

    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Wilkey


    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John
     
    Interesting because Sean Combs' birthname was Sean John Combs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @JMcG
    @Wilkey

    Eoin is the Irish version of John. Sean is a jumped-up, johnny-come-lately version that came in with the Normans and their frenchified ways. It’s the Irish attempt at the French name, Jean. As in, Sean ValSean.
    The author of the non-synoptic Gospel is known as Naomh Eoin in Irish, Christianity having come to Ireland before the Normans. Naomh is the Irish word for Saint.
    Now I’ll just let myself down from this soapbox.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Coemgen
    @Wilkey

    According to Wikipedia, the name Ian is a vulgarization of the “address form” of the name Seán https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean#Origin

    That sounds plausible in light of the Seumas/Hamish connection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish and the possible connection of Kevin/Haven https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haven_(given_name)

    , @slumber_j
    @Wilkey


    Evan is the Welsh version of John.
     
    Right: e.g. alt-rock dude Evan Dando.
  104. anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.
     
    Note the emphasis on rates of rejection instead of rates of acceptance. And no mention of what those rates are.

    It could just be that 10% of white applicants and 18% of black applicants are rejected - which would mean that 82% of black mortgage applicants were successful, versus 90% of whites. Hardly a disparity worth getting worked up over.


    A holistic look at America’s housing market shows that it disadvantages people of color in some startling and systemic ways that are not always obvious at the loan level.
     
    And then the author proceeds to write an article that explains not at all what those "systemic" disadvantages actually are.

    The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.
     
    So from 1970-2020: just after the passage of the Great Society programs, during massive increases in black crime rates, and as black illegitimacy was skyrocketing.

    Perhaps the biggest single predictor of home ownership, aside from age, is marital status. IIRC, married people are about twice as likely to own homes as the unmarried - and black marriage rates have tanked over the last 50 years. The fact that their home ownership rates actually increased during that time frame should probably be regarded as a huge success.


    Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020
     
    I suspect 100 years of urbanization - and then suburbanization - had something to do with that.

    This problem is then compounded by further economic inequalities Black Americans face. A recent study from the McKinsey Global Institute found that Black Americans make on average 30% less than white Americans. A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019. Black borrowers also inherit less and receive fewer financial gifts from family members than do white Americans.
     
    What's the disparity look like for Jews vs non-Jews on these metrics, and how come it's never treated as a social crisis in need of a government solution?

    Debt-to-income and loan-to-value ratios have been higher for Black and Latino Americans.
     
    Debt-to-income ratios are higher? So is the problem that banks aren't lending to blacks, or that they're lending them too much?

    It will also require lenders to assess and even change policies which are currently leading to discrimination within the mortgage industry, whether unintentional or not.

     

    Unintentional discrimination...is not discrimination. That would be policies adopted by lenders to ensure they are likely to have their loans paid back.

    So basically any policy which causes banks to lend less to blacks than to whites would be discrimination. Either you would have to have no such policies at all, or you would have to actively discriminate against white loan applicants.


    Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood.
     
    This is stupid. Houses are never, ever going to go unsold because of a shortage of loan officers.

    the possibility for comparative discrimination is obvious but would only be apparent to someone looking at the totality of a loan officer’s or company’s production
     
    So the government is going to get into the business of forcing individual loan officers to write mortgages on lower value homes?

    Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.
     
    Bullshit.

    Replies: @anon

    So basically any policy which causes banks to lend less to blacks than to whites would be discrimination. Either you would have to have no such policies at all, or you would have to actively discriminate against white loan applicants.

    In other words, “equity” has certain requirements…that must be met, because the only alternative is raycism.

  105. @JohnnyWalker123
    Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    https://www.clientwise.com/hs-fs/hubfs/July-4th-801709792.jpg?width=2121&name=July-4th-801709792.jpg

    Replies: @Kibernetika, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad

    And ladies, too

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That flag is touching the floor!!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Re: Betsy Ross and friends sewing the first American flag

    Here is obviously the source of American systemic racism; those bigoted White women deliberately used white cloth to make half of the stripes and ALL of the stars!

  106. Steve, are you enjoying the undocumented fireworks out there in the Valley tonight? Sounds like Beirut, only louder.

  107. @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Keeping Tyler (a fad boy’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl’s name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910. I don't think this was a Boomer fad. (There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, 'Evan' the most prevalent).

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar

    There were about 13,000 Taylors living in the United States in 1940, about 90% of them male. There were also 2,500 Tylers. About 1/2 of these people were born prior to 1910.

    19,153 female Taylors were born just in 1996, and 7,688 male ones in 1993, the top years for each sex. 30,481 male Tylers were born in 1994. Compared with about 165 Taylors and 30 Tylers of both sexes per year up to 1940– many with those surnames to be found in their recent ancestry.

    Don’t tell me these aren’t late-20th-century fads.

  108. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And ladies, too


    https://www.history.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTU3ODc5MDgyNDA0MTYxMjQ3/betsy-ross-and-assistants-sew-first-flag.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joseph Doaks

    That flag is touching the floor!!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Remain calm

    https://twitter.com/calmposter/status/1411599720129175554

  109. @Joe Stalin
    Don't banks have a duty NOT to lose bank depositor's money? Isn't that the whole point of prudent lending?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Papinian, @Redneck farmer, @Wade Hampton

    Fortunately, depositors money isn’t at risk. You sell the mortgage to someone else, thus leaving you the profits, and someone else the trouble of collecting.

  110. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That flag is touching the floor!!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Remain calm

  111. @Abolish_public_education
    .. help loan officers and underwriters better understand the law.

    Fuzzy laws (100% of the laws produced in this country since way back) are great news for lawyers.

    Get the licensed-lawyers OUT of the legislative branch.

    Lawyers make up 0.4% of the population, but probably > 20% of lawmakers; ~40% of Congress. Trump was not a lawyer.

    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f'd-up of all).

    Any lawyer who wants to work as a non-judicial staffer, (e.g. congressional aide, DoJ) should have to surrender his license to practice, with no possibility of post-career reinstatement for ten years or until all judges of his level of government, sitting at the time of such surrender, have retired (whichever is longer).

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Abolish_public_education wrote:

    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).

    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.
     
    You are uninformed.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

    Lying can get you disbarred.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hibernian

    , @odin
    @PhysicistDave


    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?
     
    Real estate?
    , @Art Deco
    @PhysicistDave

    In my observation, lawyers tend to have two minds. There's an 'office mind' and a 'rest-of-your-life mind'. The two minds don't talk to each other. I did once know a lawyer whose two minds did talk to each other. He and his wife were satisfied with life in direct proportion to the degree to which they could get him to quit thinking about what was going on at the office when he was at home.

    I'm recalling the man who said that for a lawyer at work, 'what is true' is not the question they ask. The question is 'what needs to be true for my client's interests to be served'. The trouble is, that for a judge, a law clerk, a prosecutor, and a municipal corporation counsel, the question should be 'what is true'. Too often the client to these shnooks is their own ego. Paul Craig Roberts has been making the case for years that a lot of prosecutors are unscrupulous, narcissitic monsters, and I'm inclined to agree with him.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @PhysicistDave

    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying? Every profession and occupation from sales to medical research and public health. The latter 2 professions have been totally exposed as complete liars since March 2020 when medicine and public health lied to the world about covid hoax.

    Journalism; I don’t believe there’s a publication in the country that isn’t pages and pages of lies.

    Teaching; even hard science and math are full of wokeness, anti White racism and CRT. College biology teachers claim that “ blue eyes and blond and red hair are mutations and the sooner they disappear the better”

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Adam Smith
    @PhysicistDave


    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?
     
    Politicians (and pretty much everyone involved with the masquerade known as "government"), journalists, clergy, bankers, stock brokers, advertising professionals, insurance salesmen, car salesmen, and police officers all immediately come to mind.

  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/Killerk58/status/1411732065263968260

    I knew it!

    Replies: @Rosie, @Dian 'the AA Mathemagcian' Abbot, @Arclight

    I knew it!

    In other news…

    Studies show that women are massively overrepresented among those who give birth to babies. Men aren’t pulling their weight.

    BTW, isn’t this charming?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/family/man-says-stay-home-mums-24434412

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rosie


    Studies show that women are massively overrepresented among those who give birth to babies. Men aren’t pulling their weight.
     
    You are living before Year Zero. The birthing-person sex gap has seen phenomenal progress in gross justice product in the past 12 months.
  113. @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    You are uninformed.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

    Lying can get you disbarred.

    • LOL: Gamecock
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me:


    You are uninformed.

    Lying can get you disbarred.
     
    Nope.

    You need to actually read what you link to.

    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer's own client, which is what I referred to.

    Now, if you had been more diligent you could have found bar association rules that forbid a lawyer from lying to his own client. But who do you think enforces such rules? Yeah, the state bar associations -- i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious -- such as stealing a client's money -- to get disbarred.

    The reason I was discussing this with my friend is that next week we have to file a complaint with the Califronia bar against a crooked lawyer: his violations of the "Rules of Professional Conduct" are clear-cut and manifold.

    I am not optimistic they will nail him. I'll let you know.

    I did know a crooked lawyer years ago who was disbarred -- in two states! -- for stealing clients' money. But then he was a bit crazier than the average attorney-- he convinced himself, for example, that he had been knighted by Queen Elizabeth II. Here is the news story on this guy's bizarre life.

    The key points from the story:

    On paper, it was a wonderful life.

    Thomas R. Dahlberg, 41, of Jeannette, claimed to have done it all. He said he was a two-star general, CIA agent, attorney, author and syndicated columnist, computer expert, college professor and Pulitzer Prize nominee.

    But sadly, Dahlberg's life was the stuff of dreams.

    Dahlberg, who died Monday, wrote his own obituary, which family members gave to the Kepple-Graft Funeral Home in Greensburg. He crafted a story that took him from his 1979 graduation at Greensburg Central Catholic High School to some of the nation's most prestigious universities, through a brilliant military career and into important jobs in government and in the legal, academic and technological communities.

    He claimed to have attained the honor of knighthood and identified himself in his obituary as "Dr. Sir Thomas R. Dahlberg." In addition, he claimed to have earned the rank of major general in the Army, as well as post-graduate degrees from some of the nation's leading universities.
     
    The story goes on to explain that they checked out the claims, and they were all a pack of lies.

    Tom lived for a brief time here in Sacramento, which is how I had the misfortune of knowing him. For those of us who knew Tom, the story is not surprising.

    And I've known quite a few lawyers who were only marginally less delusional and crooked than my crazy old acquaitance Tom.

    The people who run this country are almost as far out of touch with reality as good old Tom. Really: how much less delusional than Tom is Joe Biden?

    Very few people yet fully grasp how insane the ruling elite in the West, the parasitic verbalist overclass, has become.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon

    , @Hibernian
    @Rosie

    Can and does are two different things.

    Replies: @Rosie

  114. Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it. Great neighbors. Friendly, peaceful, law abiding, lovable folks. Also, their music is awesome. My second favorite after Mariachi. Great rhymes.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Just another serf


    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it.
     
    On TV, that is.
    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @Just another serf


    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it.
     
    A negro with a can of spray paint will not sleep until he has scaled a barbed wire topped fence and risked his life to tag a highway overpass with graffiti.

    The same negro would never dream in his lifetime of ever painting his house.
  115. @JohnnyWalker123
    Happy 4th, gentlemen.

    https://www.clientwise.com/hs-fs/hubfs/July-4th-801709792.jpg?width=2121&name=July-4th-801709792.jpg

    Replies: @Kibernetika, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AnotherDad

    We got in 188 that were–more or less–free. (And yes, not for some blacks in some places.)

    And made it to about 244 … semi-plausibly.

    I don’t know what you’d call this last year, but sure doesn’t smell like America to me. (Even with the gunpowder smoke in my nostrils.)

    • Agree: bomag
  116. anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    OT but not entirely.

    https://apnews.com/article/business-d2b9f71d73219b32d78709b0afb443ca

    Some Chinese shun grueling careers for ‘low-desire life’

    “In today’s society, our every move is monitored and every action criticized,” Liao wrote. “Is there any more rebellious act than to simply ‘lie flat?’”

    Still, the ruling party is trying to discourage the trend. Beijing needs skilled professionals to develop technology and other industries. China’s population is getting older and the pool of working-age people has shrunk by about 5% from its 2011 peak.

    The trend echoes similar ones in Japan and other countries where young people have embraced anti-materialist lifestyles in response to bleak job prospects and bruising competition for shrinking economic rewards.

    Official data show China’s economic output per person doubled over the past decade, but many complain the gains went mostly to a handful of tycoons and state-owned companies. Professionals say their incomes are failing to keep up with soaring housing, child care and other costs.

    • Thanks: bomag
  117. OT: World War Hair continues: https://www.yahoo.com/news/swimming-caps-natural-black-hair-14060

    No we know why blacks don’t do well in swimming. It’s because of racism! There are no style/lack of style points in swimming, so there must be something holding blacks back, since they are superior to everyone in everything, and it naturally has something to do with hair.

    *I don’t pay attention to sports anymore, so I wouldn’t know if blacks have improved in swimming or not. Are there any blacks worth a damn in swimming who would need a good sabotaging in Tokyo? If so, the hair route is the logical way to go, now that the weed trick has been used.

  118. @Joe Stalin
    Don't banks have a duty NOT to lose bank depositor's money? Isn't that the whole point of prudent lending?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Papinian, @Redneck farmer, @Wade Hampton

    You’d think so. Generally I’d agree, except for those big banks that have already bankrupted themselves multiple times (the latest being the mortgage crisis of 2008-9) and only survive today because of FedGov bailouts.

    Paraphrasing Gen. Philip Sheridan, “the only good big banks are dead big banks”.

  119. Rentier class, how does it work?

  120. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.
     
    You are uninformed.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

    Lying can get you disbarred.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hibernian

    Rosie wrote to me:

    You are uninformed.

    Lying can get you disbarred.

    Nope.

    You need to actually read what you link to.

    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.

    Now, if you had been more diligent you could have found bar association rules that forbid a lawyer from lying to his own client. But who do you think enforces such rules? Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.

    The reason I was discussing this with my friend is that next week we have to file a complaint with the Califronia bar against a crooked lawyer: his violations of the “Rules of Professional Conduct” are clear-cut and manifold.

    I am not optimistic they will nail him. I’ll let you know.

    I did know a crooked lawyer years ago who was disbarred — in two states! — for stealing clients’ money. But then he was a bit crazier than the average attorney– he convinced himself, for example, that he had been knighted by Queen Elizabeth II. Here is the news story on this guy’s bizarre life.

    The key points from the story:

    On paper, it was a wonderful life.

    Thomas R. Dahlberg, 41, of Jeannette, claimed to have done it all. He said he was a two-star general, CIA agent, attorney, author and syndicated columnist, computer expert, college professor and Pulitzer Prize nominee.

    But sadly, Dahlberg’s life was the stuff of dreams.

    Dahlberg, who died Monday, wrote his own obituary, which family members gave to the Kepple-Graft Funeral Home in Greensburg. He crafted a story that took him from his 1979 graduation at Greensburg Central Catholic High School to some of the nation’s most prestigious universities, through a brilliant military career and into important jobs in government and in the legal, academic and technological communities.

    He claimed to have attained the honor of knighthood and identified himself in his obituary as “Dr. Sir Thomas R. Dahlberg.” In addition, he claimed to have earned the rank of major general in the Army, as well as post-graduate degrees from some of the nation’s leading universities.

    The story goes on to explain that they checked out the claims, and they were all a pack of lies.

    Tom lived for a brief time here in Sacramento, which is how I had the misfortune of knowing him. For those of us who knew Tom, the story is not surprising.

    And I’ve known quite a few lawyers who were only marginally less delusional and crooked than my crazy old acquaitance Tom.

    The people who run this country are almost as far out of touch with reality as good old Tom. Really: how much less delusional than Tom is Joe Biden?

    Very few people yet fully grasp how insane the ruling elite in the West, the parasitic verbalist overclass, has become.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    , @Mr. Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    I guess you figured out what Rosie does for a living.

    But, of course, professionals are always bound so tightly to their proffessional code of ethics - lawyers especially. Michael Cohen and Michael Avenatti spring to mind.

    Is Anthony Fauci bound by a code of ethics? How's that worked out for us?

  121. Happy Fourth Steverino!

  122. @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).
     
    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @JMcG, @Coemgen, @slumber_j

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John

    Interesting because Sean Combs’ birthname was Sean John Combs.

    • LOL: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    Interesting because Sean Combs’ birthname was Sean John Combs.
     
    Do Ann and Nancy Wilson know their names come from the same place? There must be brothers named James and Jacob, Henry and Harry, sisters named Alice or Alicia and Heidi, Mary and Miriam, Molly and Polly. A George could have a Yorick, but I doubt the latter name is in common use.

    Deborah and Melissa mean "honeybee" in different languages.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason

  123. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, California's non-discriminatory illegal immigration policy continues to bring the lowest actors from shit counties, keeping Southern California on track as an emerging third world hellhole.

    Happy Temporary Independence Day, everyone…

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-man-arrested-illegal-homemade-163852305.html

    Replies: @Pericles

    Meanwhile, California’s non-discriminatory illegal immigration policy continues to bring the lowest actors from shit counties, keeping Southern California on track as an emerging third world hellhole.

    Happy Dependence Day.

  124. @Carbon blob
    @Altai

    I distinctly remember that video as well, from Stanford’s machine learning MOOC.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Deserves a Larson cartoon with, um, ‘sniggering’ colleagues outside the door as he reads it.

  125. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    Unfortunately, I don’t see any sharks nearby.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Liza
    @Rob McX


    Unfortunately, I don’t see any sharks nearby.
     
    He is the shark.
  126. @HFR
    "The pandemic has exasperated gentrification." Well, yes, a lot of things are exasperating.

    Replies: @Lev Myshkin, @Dr. DoomNGloom

    I saw that, too. This idiot is a moron.

  127. @iffen
    Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

    I wonder how this plays out if we look at black borrowers who are applying to buy homes in white neighborhoods as opposed to buying houses in black neighborhoods. (Holding everything else as the same.)

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    What is the monthly payment on a thirty year loan for a home that costs $1?

    “HUD’s Dollar Homes initiative helps local governments to foster housing opportunities for low to moderate income families and address specific community needs by offering them the opportunity to purchase qualified HUD-owned homes for $1 each.

    Dollar Homes are single-family homes that are acquired by the Federal Housing Administration (which is part of HUD) as a result of foreclosure actions. Single-family properties are made available through the program whenever FHA is unable to sell the homes for six months.

    By selling vacant homes with a current market value of $25,000 or less, for $1 after six months on the market, HUD makes it possible for communities to fix up the homes and put them to good use at a considerable savings. The newly occupied homes can then act as catalysts for neighborhood revitalization, attracting new residents and businesses to an area.”

    • Replies: @Alden
    @ThreeCranes

    I’m somewhat experienced in some aspects of real property including construction and major major maintenance.

    Those $25,000 houses are unlivable . I’ve seen some although they were priced a lot more. The houses are a shell. The outer walls are intact. And often newly painted. But those houses need to be completely rebuilt. Completely new plumbing, electrical, floors, interior walls and of course completely new kitchens and bathrooms and always new roofs, often new foundations. Plus if it’s an old house, you’ll find some horrific and damaging remodeling and repairs done by incompetent homeowners over the years.

    What the buyers get is a shell that needs completele rebuilding. Which is always more complicated than building a new house.

    What the buyers actually get is a lot worth $25,000 with a derelict house and a say $200,000 mortgage to completely rebuild it.

    And the first time home owner who barely knows a hammer from a nail gun is left to deal with contractors of varying skill and honesty.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Nicholas Stix

  128. There is not a single galaxy, solar system, planet, continent, country, province, prefecture, state, county, city, town, village, neighborhood, college or high school that was ever improved by a large influx of blacks.

    Give blacks mortgage subsidies for staying in designated negro-zones.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Sick of Orcs


    There is not a single galaxy, solar system, planet, continent, country, province, prefecture, state, county, city, town, village, neighborhood, college or high school that was ever improved by a large influx of blacks.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/58/9e/92589e5f88eeb86c19482fc514efdbf8.gif
  129. JMcG says:
    @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).
     
    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @JMcG, @Coemgen, @slumber_j

    Eoin is the Irish version of John. Sean is a jumped-up, johnny-come-lately version that came in with the Normans and their frenchified ways. It’s the Irish attempt at the French name, Jean. As in, Sean ValSean.
    The author of the non-synoptic Gospel is known as Naomh Eoin in Irish, Christianity having come to Ireland before the Normans. Naomh is the Irish word for Saint.
    Now I’ll just let myself down from this soapbox.

    • Thanks: Wilkey, Liza
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @JMcG

    It's why we're all here.

  130. @Sick of Orcs
    There is not a single galaxy, solar system, planet, continent, country, province, prefecture, state, county, city, town, village, neighborhood, college or high school that was ever improved by a large influx of blacks.

    Give blacks mortgage subsidies for staying in designated negro-zones.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    There is not a single galaxy, solar system, planet, continent, country, province, prefecture, state, county, city, town, village, neighborhood, college or high school that was ever improved by a large influx of blacks.

    • LOL: Sick of Orcs
  131. @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me:


    You are uninformed.

    Lying can get you disbarred.
     
    Nope.

    You need to actually read what you link to.

    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer's own client, which is what I referred to.

    Now, if you had been more diligent you could have found bar association rules that forbid a lawyer from lying to his own client. But who do you think enforces such rules? Yeah, the state bar associations -- i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious -- such as stealing a client's money -- to get disbarred.

    The reason I was discussing this with my friend is that next week we have to file a complaint with the Califronia bar against a crooked lawyer: his violations of the "Rules of Professional Conduct" are clear-cut and manifold.

    I am not optimistic they will nail him. I'll let you know.

    I did know a crooked lawyer years ago who was disbarred -- in two states! -- for stealing clients' money. But then he was a bit crazier than the average attorney-- he convinced himself, for example, that he had been knighted by Queen Elizabeth II. Here is the news story on this guy's bizarre life.

    The key points from the story:

    On paper, it was a wonderful life.

    Thomas R. Dahlberg, 41, of Jeannette, claimed to have done it all. He said he was a two-star general, CIA agent, attorney, author and syndicated columnist, computer expert, college professor and Pulitzer Prize nominee.

    But sadly, Dahlberg's life was the stuff of dreams.

    Dahlberg, who died Monday, wrote his own obituary, which family members gave to the Kepple-Graft Funeral Home in Greensburg. He crafted a story that took him from his 1979 graduation at Greensburg Central Catholic High School to some of the nation's most prestigious universities, through a brilliant military career and into important jobs in government and in the legal, academic and technological communities.

    He claimed to have attained the honor of knighthood and identified himself in his obituary as "Dr. Sir Thomas R. Dahlberg." In addition, he claimed to have earned the rank of major general in the Army, as well as post-graduate degrees from some of the nation's leading universities.
     
    The story goes on to explain that they checked out the claims, and they were all a pack of lies.

    Tom lived for a brief time here in Sacramento, which is how I had the misfortune of knowing him. For those of us who knew Tom, the story is not surprising.

    And I've known quite a few lawyers who were only marginally less delusional and crooked than my crazy old acquaitance Tom.

    The people who run this country are almost as far out of touch with reality as good old Tom. Really: how much less delusional than Tom is Joe Biden?

    Very few people yet fully grasp how insane the ruling elite in the West, the parasitic verbalist overclass, has become.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon

    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn’t do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/

    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.

    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.

    That’s only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn’t the first resort as long as you don’t embezzle client’s money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn’t make you an expert.)

    parasitic verbalist overclass

    Oh, I see.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Rosie

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/1411769053329465350?s=20

    Same vibe

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Dmon
    @Rosie

    The Draconian penalties incurred by lying to the court:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/fbi_lawyer_that_lied_to_judge_on_fisa_warrant_will_be_able_to_practice_law_again_in_august_after_zero_jail_time.html

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie

    While you're looking over Codes of Ethics, don't forget this one:

    https://www.nada.org/codeofethics/

    I'm sure they would never lie to you either.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me:



    [Dave] The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     
    [Rosie[ Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn’t do a very good job.
     
    They didn't seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?

    What I said was true: the page youy linked to referred to lying to a court, whereas what I had posted aboutr was lying to clients.

    I guess you are just too stupid -- or crooked -- to grasp that.

    Or both.

    Typical lawyer.

    Rosie also wrote:

    Generally, no, disbarment isn’t the first resort as long as you don’t embezzle client’s money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.
     
    Exactly. Does the swindled client no good at all, does it?

    Typical.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Alden
    @Rosie

    Generally speaking, lawyers don’t get disbarred for stealing a client’s money. Unless it’s over a long period of time and many clients. How to pick a good lawyer? Hmmmmmm gosh hummm

    Best bet is a referral from a lawyer you know well. Not a neighbor you’ve never said more than hello to. Findlaw is great. The lawyers have a website. You type in your problem 25 words. Then phone conversations. Your first lawsuit can be a shock whether you’re a plaintiff or defendant/respondent. It takes a long time.

    If you’re a plaintiff, realize you might be dead before you get any settlement. If you’re the respondent and some scumbag POS found some sleazy scumbag to sue you because you have money. Just tell your guy or gal don’t settle. It will take years, but eventually the plaintiff will drop the suit. It’s not expensive. Just the cost of filing a response and then years of first one phone call a month between the lawyers then every 3 months then every 6 months. Since plaintiff’s guy or gal is on contingency they eventually get tired of 10 minute conversations and want to clear the case. One last settlement offer. You refuse the offer and the case is dropped. Takes years but as President Jefferson said about the Algerian pirates.

    Millions for a defense but not one cent for a settlement. Realistically, after your response if filed, your just paying for monthly phone conversations.

    And word gets around the scumbag community that you’re not a sucker for frivolous lawsuits.

  132. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    The bad naming was in full swing in the 1990s. Madison and other often misspelled former presidents were, unfortunately, made popular by Gen x parents.

  133. @HFR
    "The pandemic has exasperated gentrification." Well, yes, a lot of things are exasperating.

    Replies: @Lev Myshkin, @Dr. DoomNGloom

    “The pandemic has exasperated gentrification.” Well, yes, a lot of things are exasperating.

    So one might ask if you want the prices and home equity to go up or not?
    Policy changes have consequences, many unintentional and bad. This point has been made by McWhorter WRT the war on drugs.

    The real point is that you can’t fix something in isolation by treating a symptom. That clamped pot will blow up.

  134. Racism is, like Climate Emergency and all the latest hysterical calumny, a put upon front by Big Tech Jews combined with Bankers and Property Developers all rent seeking from the public purse.

    Even boy’s dicks and girl’s minge is up for the chop when it comes to vested stock based medical interests.

    Forget about the fuck fest that is Covid, any schmuck whose fallen for that schtick is either a rusted on History Channel boomer or a yid.

    It’d be like reading Donald Rumsfeld is dead and writing a eulogy to him as being a put upon patsy of the worst of happenstance of history instead of the war mongering, nation wrecking traitor, who left a trail of misery on which he fed rom in his wake.

    I’d hate to be the sort of unforgivable boomer who’d ever post an “aw-shucks, he was on joking” post about the likes of Rumsfeld, especially when you’ve got Mike Gravel to truly eulogise.

    • Agree: Alden, Lurker
  135. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1411791329886154760?s=20

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Rob McX, @Mike Tre

    This is one of those real Americans you must have been referring to.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Mike Tre

    You put the "real" there yourself champ. Maybe your imagination trying to tell you something.

    I just said American. Yeah, Zuck is one too. Ever consider the GAE has even more of a gun to his head than they have to ours?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  136. Let’s see now– Between bling, tats, BMWs and broken down and wrecked BMWs, towing and storage fees, high auto insurance rates due to driving and criminal records, bail bonds, fines, court costs, probation fees, restitution, child support payments, sneakers, designer hoodies, exotic gold dental work, consumption of substances, housefuls of new shoddy over-priced no down payment, no credit check “rent-to-own appliances and furniture”, weaves, nail salons and only the the best in brand name foods and other consumer goods, I’m certain we could find a respectable down payment for a modest but decent starter home in a white ‘hood no less.

    Funny how the Mexicans (who most certainly have their fair share of “haterz” here) with no valid social security numbers manage to do this remarkably well and still send a record amount in remittances to Mexico during recently ended fiscal year 2020-2021 to boot. During a Plandemic, no less.

  137. @Alden
    @Yancey Ward

    Agree. And no real information. Did the White woman walk into a real estate agency and say “I want to sell my home” and no one looked at the home, just the address ? Did the White woman walk into a bank and ask for a second mortgage? I agree it’s another lie about race.

    And it’s in Business Insider which means the business world is no as anti White as the world of government. And voluntarily, without EEOC duress.

    An easy plan would just add as many points to the credit score of every black in the country till the credit score is 750. And subtract enough points to bring down the credit score of every White to 500 or less.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    And it’s in Business Insider…..

    Business Insider is the Huffington Post of financial reporting. Everything is reported through the lens of race/gender/homo issues.

  138. The writer lives in Tennessee and is gay or something:

    Banks care only about the color green. The idea that they are ignoring making profitable loans to blacks is as ludicrous as the canard that women make just $0.78 for each dollar a man makes. The fact that both are repeated ad nauseum does not make either one true.

    I used to live in a super ZIP and had black neighbors who were no problem. Maybe because anybody who can afford a high six figure house is gonna take care of it, not let cousin d’Won who just got out of jail crash for a few days, etc.

  139. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/Killerk58/status/1411732065263968260

    I knew it!

    Replies: @Rosie, @Dian 'the AA Mathemagcian' Abbot, @Arclight

    Andrew Anglin calls them The Leigh Francis Class.

    Google Angela Rayner mp. OMG – I know northerners come across ass thick donkeys at best of times, but that triple chinned lump of lard must come across as retards even to them. Random juvenile noise – Ra funnel!!!!

    This is an EDUCATION SECRETARY. FFS – has it been to school itself!!!

  140. Does anyone not think your pensions are at risk for redistribution? I don’t know if it can be done with private pensions and funds, but your government one is definitely at risk.

    Next time there’s a census, check that hispanic, native or black box!

  141. If black loan applicants are being held to higher standards than white applicants, then surely black people must have a much lower default rate than whites.

    Right?

  142. I suspect we will eventually be seeing proposals to tax capital gains when whites sell houses to whites (or white-adjacents) and use the money to subsidize blacks buying homes in white neighborhoods.

    I’ve been wondering what the end game was, yours sounds more likely than most.

  143. This B and w thing must piss a lot of normies off.

  144. @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Real estate?

  145. @Flip
    Default rate comparisons are useful

    Replies: @bomag, @res

    This.

    And this guy suggests he was in the lending business. If he really believes there is money being left on the table purely for the sake of punking Black people, then he could easily step into the breach and collect the difference.

  146. The pandemic has exasperated gentrification,

    Perhaps blacks would get more home loans if they used big words correctly or just wisely refrained from their use

  147. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    Same vibe

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Desiderius

    Matt Yglesias being his same old turbo-austist self chiming in to claim that American economic schools have a dubious reputation for right-wing policy is the best part.

    Their economic policies started out as profoundly right wing, in 2021 they're no longer considered right wing. That's the whole point of the observation of modern 'left wing' parties. But being the turbo-autist he is, he misses this entirely and proves the point. Honestly Matt's political transformation has been into just a low-energy Ben Shapiro.

    He also misses the synergy of social liberalism and economic 'conservatism'. The original meaning of 'liberal' in a political sense from the 19th century fits both. Where do you think 'neoliberalism' comes from, that's what the thread is about, the rise of neoliberalism in the place of traditional left-wing economic discourse. It's almost like the rich quite like both as both tend to be to their benefit and as social liberalism also acts to implicitly lower a sense of shared social responsibility.

    It's almost like class politics is important or something. As all those Democrats in American economics departments who might want a bit more welfare but otherwise want more globalisation have basically accepted the, at the time, very right wing ideals from decades ago and haven't challenged them at all.

    Replies: @anon

  148. They’re rebelling against that naive utilitarianism. As with most rebellions they’re over correcting into Wokelism and arbitrary petty tyranny divorced from science itself instead of mere scientism, which they ironically still cling to as a sort of status preserver.

  149. disparate impact, “occurs when a lender applies a racially (or otherwise) neutral policy or practice equally to all credit applicants but the policy or practice disproportionately excludes or burdens certain persons on a prohibited basis.”

    Are lenders still allowed to discriminate against felons, or only the melanically challenged variety?

  150. @notsaying
    "Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner. "

    I was unhappy to read about this too and would support laws that attempted to prevent this.

    But the overall reason blacks don't have houses like whites do is that their parents can't help them out and that they make so much less than whites. Also a lot of the lower priced housing they used to have has been taken away from them through gentrification. There are no magic wands that will change this.

    I will never understand why people complain about the lower cost of housing in minority neighborhoods as being a bad thing. Yes there is a certain logic to wanting maximum prices, just like any seller in America wishes their property were in Silicon Valley instead of where it really is. But most buyers rely on affordability because they are not rich and that's even more true of blacks and Hispanics. Looking at real estate only through the eyes of sellers is idiotic. Talking about equity and discrimination without considering the huge differences between what certain Americans earn vs. others is equally ridiculous and frankly pointless.

    You can't reconcile the desire to have affordable housing for minorities with the desire to keep on importing poor people from overseas which inevitably increases the price of that housing. You cannot write a law that will make the average wages and education levels of blacks equal to the those of whites next week.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    I was unhappy to read about this too and would support laws that attempted to prevent this.

    Would you support laws that attempt to prevent people from telling falsifiable lies?

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Coemgen

    Yes, I would.

    What makes you think this woman was lying?

  151. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/Killerk58/status/1411732065263968260

    I knew it!

    Replies: @Rosie, @Dian 'the AA Mathemagcian' Abbot, @Arclight

    Related to this is the fact that whites and Asians are net taxpayers per capita while blacks and Latinos are not. When the issue of reparations comes up, the right doesn’t have the brains or balls to point out that the configuration of our tax code and social welfare system means a net transfer of wealth from white households to blacks of more than $100B annually.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Arclight

    If we examine all the social welfare programs, disability and affirmative action programs the net transfer of wealth from Whites to Blacks is closer to $1.5 Trillion annually.

    Medicaid alone spends $2.1 Trillion and most of it goes to Blacks and Hispanics. The military wastes 20% of their budget enlisting Blacks. Same can be said for NASA, the CDC and the IRS etc...

    The corporate word also transfers billions of dollars from productive Whites to Blacks via diversity departments and affirmative action promotions at the expense of whites. The banks have been coerced into lending more and more to Blacks and Hispanics since the 1990s, resulting in the Housing bubble and collapse which caused the great recession. Our colleges waste billions of dollars educating Blacks who will either never graduate or never utilize their degrees, having learned almost nothing during their years in school. Most Blacks who graduate from law school will never practice law or quit after a few years if they some-how pass the bar exam.

    Entire cities have seen their institutions and real-estate values destroyed by policies which encouraged Blacks to live white cities. The cost of catering to Blacks and Hispanics over the last 50 years is gigantic and the damage done to America is far greater than the economic destruction wrought by our racist laws which destroy white wealth.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @John Milton's Ghost
    @Arclight

    True--yet it's even worse, since most taxes go to fund a mostly white professional class in the government, a class that hates other whites and belittles them at every turn. Every government program to ameliorate, say, poverty, spends most of its funds on government employees, their pensions, their unions, their benefits. Their equity isn't on the line. Their jobs will not be outsourced. They aren't fireable, they are mostly untouchable legally, and they live in an echo chamber.

    I'm indifferent to most people of color. I'm willing to judge them as individuals, even given the disparities in cultural and genetic backgrounds that they have. But the whites who run things? That liberty tree needs to be watered there first.

    Replies: @Arclight

  152. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    He has one skill set, and that’s turning in copy on time.

    He has another skill set, he is gifted at malapropism. The following sentence is a classic " The pandemic has exasperated gentrification, with home prices skyrocketing in even once-affordable communities.

    Replies: @Papinian, @Alfa158, @additionalMike

    That quote has an Amos’n’Andy feel to it, as in “Amos, I is going to deliver a ultomato.”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @additionalMike

    Indeed.

  153. @Buffalo Joe
    Set aside one trillion dollars for the creation of the Black Bank of America. No need to add more layers of bureaucracy to the federal government. All black directors and executives, loaning only to blacks. Check back in a few years and see how that works out. Oh, and a mortgage is a loan and you are supposed to back it back and there in lies the problem.

    Replies: @Dmon

    No need to wait a few years, Joe – Zimbabwe already tried that experiment. It worked so well, they had to print money in 100 Trillion dollar denominations just to keep up with all the newfound wealth they were rolling in.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  154. The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on ‘visible goods’ like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Arclight

    Arclight, coincidentally, I was thinking of this very same thing last night when reading about that black Capitol cop, one Michael Leroy Bird, who murdered Ashli Babbitt January 6th. One of the sites that purports to have info on people says his salary is in the - going by memory here - $150,000 range, and his assets were about 1 to 1 1/2 times his year's gross income. It says the guy is 53 years old. That is a cush gig, so if anyone could get ahead a little bit you'd figure ...

    I'm not saying I trust the numbers completely, as I don't know how the site would have his assets, maybe just real estate, but then how much money would this black cop have in the bank? Maybe he's got a 401k. I wonder what he drives.

    Anyway, that should be a moot point with this guy, as he SHOULD be living off the taxpayers, in a Federal prison.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Altai

    , @Desiderius
    @Arclight

    Typical behavior for a decadent rentier class. More power than they know what to do with so blow it in a futile effort to ape the behaviors of the established leisure class. You see some similar things with first generation rednecks who “make it” if you look at the storage unit rental business for instance.

    Way worse for blacks because mismatch.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @John Johnson
    @Arclight

    I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores.

    Yes and Blacks are less likely to take care of their homes.

    Ignoring something a leaking pipe can destroy a home.

    It seems that the norm in a lot of these areas is to rent a home to Blacks and then shrug if something happens to it.

    I remember when the market was at a low and foreigners were trying to make money by doing this. They were buying Detroit properties remotely and then paying locals to fix them.

    There has to be a medium between trying to blame White racism for everything and letting Black areas become a bunch of decrepit rentals owned by foreign slumlords.

    Liberals can't see that their intellectual dishonesty does little to change the status quo. Greedy Wall St companies already tried giving underqualified Blacks a mortgage and the market collapsed. So what exactly is the liberal plan? Just pen articles that blame White racism?

    , @anon
    @Arclight

    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious...


    https://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2013/05/marshmellow-test-604-cs050713.jpg

    , @Bill Jones
    @Arclight

    There have been numerous studies that show that banks are more likely to be defaulted on by blacks than whites across numerous criteria: Mortgage size, income, credit rating, zip code etc.
    The constant in all cases is culture.
    Black culture doesn't repay either its practitioners or their financiers.

  155. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Dmon


    The Draconian penalties incurred by lying to the court:
     
    Please. I'd like to see some run-of-the-mill nobody lawyer get away with something like that.
    It helps to have friends in high places, in the professions as elsewhere.
  156. @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).
     
    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @JMcG, @Coemgen, @slumber_j

    According to Wikipedia, the name Ian is a vulgarization of the “address form” of the name Seán https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean#Origin

    That sounds plausible in light of the Seumas/Hamish connection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish and the possible connection of Kevin/Haven https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haven_(given_name)

  157. @Arclight
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Related to this is the fact that whites and Asians are net taxpayers per capita while blacks and Latinos are not. When the issue of reparations comes up, the right doesn't have the brains or balls to point out that the configuration of our tax code and social welfare system means a net transfer of wealth from white households to blacks of more than $100B annually.

    Replies: @Travis, @John Milton's Ghost

    If we examine all the social welfare programs, disability and affirmative action programs the net transfer of wealth from Whites to Blacks is closer to $1.5 Trillion annually.

    Medicaid alone spends $2.1 Trillion and most of it goes to Blacks and Hispanics. The military wastes 20% of their budget enlisting Blacks. Same can be said for NASA, the CDC and the IRS etc…

    The corporate word also transfers billions of dollars from productive Whites to Blacks via diversity departments and affirmative action promotions at the expense of whites. The banks have been coerced into lending more and more to Blacks and Hispanics since the 1990s, resulting in the Housing bubble and collapse which caused the great recession. Our colleges waste billions of dollars educating Blacks who will either never graduate or never utilize their degrees, having learned almost nothing during their years in school. Most Blacks who graduate from law school will never practice law or quit after a few years if they some-how pass the bar exam.

    Entire cities have seen their institutions and real-estate values destroyed by policies which encouraged Blacks to live white cities. The cost of catering to Blacks and Hispanics over the last 50 years is gigantic and the damage done to America is far greater than the economic destruction wrought by our racist laws which destroy white wealth.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Travis

    Medicaid alone spends $2.1 Trillion and most of it goes to Blacks and Hispanics.


    Medicaid expenditures in 2019 were about $640 bn. About 46% of all beneficiaries were black or hispanic.

  158. @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    There were 18,000 people carrying Gaelic variants of John at that time, ‘Evan’ the most prevalent).
     
    Evan is the Welsh version of John. Welsh is a Brittonic language, not a Gaelic one. A different branch of the Celtic family tree.

    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John and Ian the Scottish Gaelic version.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @JMcG, @Coemgen, @slumber_j

    Evan is the Welsh version of John.

    Right: e.g. alt-rock dude Evan Dando.

  159. But in my own experience in the mortgage industry over the past decade, this kind of discrimination is not always apparent . . .

    What is his experience ?

    Skylar Baker-Jordan has more than 10 years’ experience writing about US and UK politics. He is a former contributing editor at the Gay UK Magazine, where he led their coverage of the 2017 UK General Election. He regularly writes about how identity shapes politics and public policy on both sides of the Atlantic. . . .His media appearances include . . . the one his family is most proud of – a profile in his local newspaper, the La Follette Press. He has a BA in history from Western Kentucky University.

    I’m not seeing an extensive amount time and toil spent if the mortgage industry. Seems like he has a lot less of such experience than have I.

    The fact is that study after study have shown that when one controls for relevant factors like, duh, income and credit score, blacks have an easier time getting mortgages. Much easier. That’s been my experience.

  160. TexJ says:

    “Equal access to credit?” No society in human history has ever provided equal access to credit.

    This screwing around with basic economic law reminds me of a law case years ago when California, for a very short time, banned AIDS testing in insurance underwriting. They wanted “equal access to insurance”. You read that correctly. They thought AIDS carriers were being unfairly denied Life Insurance. Kind of like people who cannot pay back loans are being unfairly denied the ability to borrow money and default on their loan. So a law was passed: no consideration of an AIDS test in insurance.

    The insurance companies, to get around this, asked people if they had a communicable disease or lived with someone who did. “Yes” meant no insurance. That was the insurance response to the law.

    As I recall woman -without AIDS – answered “yes” – her husband had died AIDS. So she was denied life insurance. She actually had no AIDS but the law prevented the insurance company from testing her or considering her negative test under the law! Strange how things work out

    And… this is America so she sued!

    Essentially her case was, the insurance co is discriminating against me. But the court very astutely noted her case was really not about illegal discrimination at all but was a charge that the insurance company had made a poor business decision (“she was truly a good health risk so they should have insured her”) forced on them by the insane law. As bad business decisions are not illegal, she lost.

    That kind of craziness is on the way. Credit history will be banned and they will have to come up with new ways to award credit. And results like the above are on the way. A restriction of credit. And if they cannot figure out a way to do it and make money,there will be no credit given to anyone – except by the government. And that will finish us as just as assuredly it finished off the Soviet Union.

  161. “Exasperated gentrification” Lol!

  162. @Yancey Ward
    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    Replies: @Alden, @Abe, @frankie p, @Lurker, @Nicholas Stix

    Wouldn’t it be more plausible if she had white friends pose as the people next door?

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  163. @Arclight
    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on 'visible goods' like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @John Johnson, @anon, @Bill Jones

    Arclight, coincidentally, I was thinking of this very same thing last night when reading about that black Capitol cop, one Michael Leroy Bird, who murdered Ashli Babbitt January 6th. One of the sites that purports to have info on people says his salary is in the – going by memory here – $150,000 range, and his assets were about 1 to 1 1/2 times his year’s gross income. It says the guy is 53 years old. That is a cush gig, so if anyone could get ahead a little bit you’d figure …

    I’m not saying I trust the numbers completely, as I don’t know how the site would have his assets, maybe just real estate, but then how much money would this black cop have in the bank? Maybe he’s got a 401k. I wonder what he drives.

    Anyway, that should be a moot point with this guy, as he SHOULD be living off the taxpayers, in a Federal prison.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As a federal employee, he will receive a pension after 25 years based on his highest three years of income, plus social security, plus a 401k-like vehicle called the Thrift Savings Plan. You don't have to contribute to TSP if you don't want to, but if memory serves (may be off), the feds provide a full match on the first 3% and a partial on the rest up to 5%. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of taxpayers have nothing even close to this level of retirement security.

    That said, I don't know how anyone could know what this guy's assets are other than looking up the value of his home on Zillow.

    , @Altai
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Though they've stepped off the peddle of outrage now that Trump is gone, they're never going to stop going on about that time a bunch of goofs pitched-invaded the Capitol and nobody feared for their life for second and a policeman shot a woman in the head while another one in full SWAT gear and carrying an AR15 beside her didn't think to shoot her and several of them died from heart attacks due to their age demographic. (And who can forget the old lady?)

    There were more than enough of them to arrest the guys on that door.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0

  164. I feel like 80% more likely to fail is some kind of statistical norm that is seen across subjects where the triple threat of blacks being worse at something, blacks being pushed into that same thing, and black overconfidence about same thing come into play. But I can’t quite remember where I have seen it. Here are my guesses
    -Blacks 80% more likely to fail AP tests
    -Blacks 80% more likely to fail bar exam

  165. @Arclight
    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on 'visible goods' like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @John Johnson, @anon, @Bill Jones

    Typical behavior for a decadent rentier class. More power than they know what to do with so blow it in a futile effort to ape the behaviors of the established leisure class. You see some similar things with first generation rednecks who “make it” if you look at the storage unit rental business for instance.

    Way worse for blacks because mismatch.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Desiderius

    Definitely - this past holiday season I went to the local high end mall to get a few things and the line to just get into the Louis Vuitton store was over 100 (mostly black) people long. There were a few based on appearance, grooming, etc. that appeared to possibly legitimately afford to be there, but most had the look of hood people looking to get a pair of $200 sweats to be seen in. The jewelry store across the way also had a line, as did Saks. Not a single other retailer had any wait, though.

    My kids used to go to a fairly expensive private school where the teachers generally made between $40K-$60K (surprisingly low). The teachers parking area was a sea of sensible mid-range cars that were generally at least several years old, except for our black gym teacher, who drove a Land Rover. I can definitely understand some of the class consciousness, as even though my household is in the top 5% nationally, at this school we were without question probably in the bottom 25% of income and you cannot help noticing the parade of new high end cars at pick up and drop off while rolling up in your non-luxury and extremely common Japanese SUV. But unlike the gym teacher, I recognize that if I want to move further up the ladder, spending a lot of money on a depreciating asset for appearances' sake is not going to get you there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Buffalo Joe

  166. How can you still read the NYTimes?

    https://twitter.com/pegobry/status/1412038853427400704?s=20

    I don’t because principle but I don’t pretend I’m not missing anything.

    Gotta compete to win. Who is?

  167. @Arclight
    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on 'visible goods' like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @John Johnson, @anon, @Bill Jones

    I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores.

    Yes and Blacks are less likely to take care of their homes.

    Ignoring something a leaking pipe can destroy a home.

    It seems that the norm in a lot of these areas is to rent a home to Blacks and then shrug if something happens to it.

    I remember when the market was at a low and foreigners were trying to make money by doing this. They were buying Detroit properties remotely and then paying locals to fix them.

    There has to be a medium between trying to blame White racism for everything and letting Black areas become a bunch of decrepit rentals owned by foreign slumlords.

    Liberals can’t see that their intellectual dishonesty does little to change the status quo. Greedy Wall St companies already tried giving underqualified Blacks a mortgage and the market collapsed. So what exactly is the liberal plan? Just pen articles that blame White racism?

  168. @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

    In my observation, lawyers tend to have two minds. There’s an ‘office mind’ and a ‘rest-of-your-life mind’. The two minds don’t talk to each other. I did once know a lawyer whose two minds did talk to each other. He and his wife were satisfied with life in direct proportion to the degree to which they could get him to quit thinking about what was going on at the office when he was at home.

    I’m recalling the man who said that for a lawyer at work, ‘what is true’ is not the question they ask. The question is ‘what needs to be true for my client’s interests to be served’. The trouble is, that for a judge, a law clerk, a prosecutor, and a municipal corporation counsel, the question should be ‘what is true’. Too often the client to these shnooks is their own ego. Paul Craig Roberts has been making the case for years that a lot of prosecutors are unscrupulous, narcissitic monsters, and I’m inclined to agree with him.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Do you know any prosecutors, either personally or professionally? I doubt it.

    Replies: @Alden

  169. @Arclight
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Related to this is the fact that whites and Asians are net taxpayers per capita while blacks and Latinos are not. When the issue of reparations comes up, the right doesn't have the brains or balls to point out that the configuration of our tax code and social welfare system means a net transfer of wealth from white households to blacks of more than $100B annually.

    Replies: @Travis, @John Milton's Ghost

    True–yet it’s even worse, since most taxes go to fund a mostly white professional class in the government, a class that hates other whites and belittles them at every turn. Every government program to ameliorate, say, poverty, spends most of its funds on government employees, their pensions, their unions, their benefits. Their equity isn’t on the line. Their jobs will not be outsourced. They aren’t fireable, they are mostly untouchable legally, and they live in an echo chamber.

    I’m indifferent to most people of color. I’m willing to judge them as individuals, even given the disparities in cultural and genetic backgrounds that they have. But the whites who run things? That liberty tree needs to be watered there first.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @John Milton's Ghost

    Yeah, hard to disagree. The people leading the charge against ordinary Americans and the CRT blood libel are 90% professional whites. I recently had to participate in a roundtable about some economic issues in my city and surrounding areas and there is a new well-funded diversity and inclusion non-profit that chirped up at every opportunity. Naturally the higher up professional staff are white women, with a handful of lower level black employees to round things out.

  170. @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying? Every profession and occupation from sales to medical research and public health. The latter 2 professions have been totally exposed as complete liars since March 2020 when medicine and public health lied to the world about covid hoax.

    Journalism; I don’t believe there’s a publication in the country that isn’t pages and pages of lies.

    Teaching; even hard science and math are full of wokeness, anti White racism and CRT. College biology teachers claim that “ blue eyes and blond and red hair are mutations and the sooner they disappear the better”

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Alden


    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying?
     
    I would say structural engineering, except in So. Florida.
    https://theusposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Miami-Beach-declares-state-of-emergency-after-deadly-apartment-building-1024x683.jpg

    Replies: @Alden

  171. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Arclight

    Arclight, coincidentally, I was thinking of this very same thing last night when reading about that black Capitol cop, one Michael Leroy Bird, who murdered Ashli Babbitt January 6th. One of the sites that purports to have info on people says his salary is in the - going by memory here - $150,000 range, and his assets were about 1 to 1 1/2 times his year's gross income. It says the guy is 53 years old. That is a cush gig, so if anyone could get ahead a little bit you'd figure ...

    I'm not saying I trust the numbers completely, as I don't know how the site would have his assets, maybe just real estate, but then how much money would this black cop have in the bank? Maybe he's got a 401k. I wonder what he drives.

    Anyway, that should be a moot point with this guy, as he SHOULD be living off the taxpayers, in a Federal prison.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Altai

    As a federal employee, he will receive a pension after 25 years based on his highest three years of income, plus social security, plus a 401k-like vehicle called the Thrift Savings Plan. You don’t have to contribute to TSP if you don’t want to, but if memory serves (may be off), the feds provide a full match on the first 3% and a partial on the rest up to 5%. Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of taxpayers have nothing even close to this level of retirement security.

    That said, I don’t know how anyone could know what this guy’s assets are other than looking up the value of his home on Zillow.

  172. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Arclight

    Arclight, coincidentally, I was thinking of this very same thing last night when reading about that black Capitol cop, one Michael Leroy Bird, who murdered Ashli Babbitt January 6th. One of the sites that purports to have info on people says his salary is in the - going by memory here - $150,000 range, and his assets were about 1 to 1 1/2 times his year's gross income. It says the guy is 53 years old. That is a cush gig, so if anyone could get ahead a little bit you'd figure ...

    I'm not saying I trust the numbers completely, as I don't know how the site would have his assets, maybe just real estate, but then how much money would this black cop have in the bank? Maybe he's got a 401k. I wonder what he drives.

    Anyway, that should be a moot point with this guy, as he SHOULD be living off the taxpayers, in a Federal prison.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Altai

    Though they’ve stepped off the peddle of outrage now that Trump is gone, they’re never going to stop going on about that time a bunch of goofs pitched-invaded the Capitol and nobody feared for their life for second and a policeman shot a woman in the head while another one in full SWAT gear and carrying an AR15 beside her didn’t think to shoot her and several of them died from heart attacks due to their age demographic. (And who can forget the old lady?)

    There were more than enough of them to arrest the guys on that door.

  173. https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1412016525159059460?s=20

    Many such cases. The kind of woman who makes it to the top despises the competent nerds who keep things running too much to be an effective manager, let alone leader.

    They’re like an auto-immune disease for organizations.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Desiderius

    But no one beside White males has agency so Norma Rocio Gahle Garcia is irrelevant.

  174. @ThreeCranes
    @iffen

    What is the monthly payment on a thirty year loan for a home that costs $1?


    "HUD's Dollar Homes initiative helps local governments to foster housing opportunities for low to moderate income families and address specific community needs by offering them the opportunity to purchase qualified HUD-owned homes for $1 each.

    Dollar Homes are single-family homes that are acquired by the Federal Housing Administration (which is part of HUD) as a result of foreclosure actions. Single-family properties are made available through the program whenever FHA is unable to sell the homes for six months.

    By selling vacant homes with a current market value of $25,000 or less, for $1 after six months on the market, HUD makes it possible for communities to fix up the homes and put them to good use at a considerable savings. The newly occupied homes can then act as catalysts for neighborhood revitalization, attracting new residents and businesses to an area."
     

    Replies: @Alden

    I’m somewhat experienced in some aspects of real property including construction and major major maintenance.

    Those $25,000 houses are unlivable . I’ve seen some although they were priced a lot more. The houses are a shell. The outer walls are intact. And often newly painted. But those houses need to be completely rebuilt. Completely new plumbing, electrical, floors, interior walls and of course completely new kitchens and bathrooms and always new roofs, often new foundations. Plus if it’s an old house, you’ll find some horrific and damaging remodeling and repairs done by incompetent homeowners over the years.

    What the buyers get is a shell that needs completele rebuilding. Which is always more complicated than building a new house.

    What the buyers actually get is a lot worth $25,000 with a derelict house and a say $200,000 mortgage to completely rebuild it.

    And the first time home owner who barely knows a hammer from a nail gun is left to deal with contractors of varying skill and honesty.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Alden

    Thanks for clarifying.

    Yeah. That would be a big job even for me, (working alone) so I can see how it would be completely out of reach for a black man or group of black men.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Alden

    Are said houses in places like Detroit and Flint?

  175. @Triteleia Laxa

    A disproportionate number of Black Americans have student loan debt, representing 13.4% of the population but nearly a quarter of all student loan debt incurred in 2019.
     
    Why such a huge disparity?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes, @Elli, @Buffalo Joe

    Trite, the fact that HBCU take in totally unqualified applicants and load them up with loans and then graduate abysmal numbers of students. Just web search graduation rates at HBCUs for some eye opening numbers.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Buffalo Joe

    I just looked it up. It hovers around a third. That is dismal; but I do see that it is only about half in the US in general, and only a third in the allotted time!

    This is bizarre. Your universities seem to be letting in huge numbers of people who are clearly not suitable. The stats are strong enough to be proof.

    I hate to imagine how facile the courses must be, given the inevitable pressure to increase retention rates.

    Just change the name of a High School Diploma to BSc or BA and save 90% of students the time. The ones who actually make sense in higher education will find a reason to be there.

    Who is giving these people loans?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Ed, @Art Deco

  176. @Desiderius
    @Arclight

    Typical behavior for a decadent rentier class. More power than they know what to do with so blow it in a futile effort to ape the behaviors of the established leisure class. You see some similar things with first generation rednecks who “make it” if you look at the storage unit rental business for instance.

    Way worse for blacks because mismatch.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Definitely – this past holiday season I went to the local high end mall to get a few things and the line to just get into the Louis Vuitton store was over 100 (mostly black) people long. There were a few based on appearance, grooming, etc. that appeared to possibly legitimately afford to be there, but most had the look of hood people looking to get a pair of $200 sweats to be seen in. The jewelry store across the way also had a line, as did Saks. Not a single other retailer had any wait, though.

    My kids used to go to a fairly expensive private school where the teachers generally made between $40K-$60K (surprisingly low). The teachers parking area was a sea of sensible mid-range cars that were generally at least several years old, except for our black gym teacher, who drove a Land Rover. I can definitely understand some of the class consciousness, as even though my household is in the top 5% nationally, at this school we were without question probably in the bottom 25% of income and you cannot help noticing the parade of new high end cars at pick up and drop off while rolling up in your non-luxury and extremely common Japanese SUV. But unlike the gym teacher, I recognize that if I want to move further up the ladder, spending a lot of money on a depreciating asset for appearances’ sake is not going to get you there.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Arclight

    That ladder doesn’t go up.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, $40K is a low public school starting salary here in WNY. The local HS parking lot is filled with newer cars and some low end luxury cars. High end housing is where our local teachers spend their money.

    Replies: @Arclight

  177. @Art Deco
    @PhysicistDave

    In my observation, lawyers tend to have two minds. There's an 'office mind' and a 'rest-of-your-life mind'. The two minds don't talk to each other. I did once know a lawyer whose two minds did talk to each other. He and his wife were satisfied with life in direct proportion to the degree to which they could get him to quit thinking about what was going on at the office when he was at home.

    I'm recalling the man who said that for a lawyer at work, 'what is true' is not the question they ask. The question is 'what needs to be true for my client's interests to be served'. The trouble is, that for a judge, a law clerk, a prosecutor, and a municipal corporation counsel, the question should be 'what is true'. Too often the client to these shnooks is their own ego. Paul Craig Roberts has been making the case for years that a lot of prosecutors are unscrupulous, narcissitic monsters, and I'm inclined to agree with him.

    Replies: @Alden

    Do you know any prosecutors, either personally or professionally? I doubt it.

    • Disagree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    Tony Massey I asked Art Deco if he knew any lawyers either professionally or personally. Not you.

    And that fuddy duddy ancient conservative is a conservative blowhard; completely ignoring affirmative action and anti White racism. He’s a business conservative. Low taxes and all sorts of tax payer paid incentives for small businesses run by non White immigrants. PCR is stuck in the 1950s. He’s unaware of what the government has done to Whites in the last 60 years.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Tony massey

  178. Exasperated does not mean the same thing as Exacerbated. As does Exacerbated. What have they done with the copy editors? Have They released a hostage video?

    I can be a copy editor. May I edit copy? It’s inexpensive, and it’s fun. Reach out to me, Business Insider.

    Disclaimer: This is a joke. Please Like and Subscribe.

  179. @Buffalo Joe
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Trite, the fact that HBCU take in totally unqualified applicants and load them up with loans and then graduate abysmal numbers of students. Just web search graduation rates at HBCUs for some eye opening numbers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I just looked it up. It hovers around a third. That is dismal; but I do see that it is only about half in the US in general, and only a third in the allotted time!

    This is bizarre. Your universities seem to be letting in huge numbers of people who are clearly not suitable. The stats are strong enough to be proof.

    I hate to imagine how facile the courses must be, given the inevitable pressure to increase retention rates.

    Just change the name of a High School Diploma to BSc or BA and save 90% of students the time. The ones who actually make sense in higher education will find a reason to be there.

    Who is giving these people loans?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Cheyney University in SE Pennsylvania had a 4-year graduation rate of 8% as recently as 2015. I believe they report 6 year graduation rates now. It’s a historically black university.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Ed
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This is mostly because states want to boost high HS graduation numbers, want people to just go to to college and refuse to institute marginal standards because it will impact blacks adversely.

    , @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Students have distended programs, so the four-year completion rate is misleading. The ratio of diplomas issued to freshman matriculation suggests that about 40% of the students at HBCUs are not college material even in re the standards applied by that set of institutions. Institutional mergers, closures, and special bond issues to add to their endowment so they can meet their fixed costs should be the order of the day.

    In the case of the Pennsylvania public systems, the solution is right there, and that's just to transfer some of the students and employees to Lincoln University and sell the Cheyney campus to real estate developers. (Even one black college in a state that has no history of Jim Crow seems odd). West Virginia also has two black colleges, even though the state has only about 70,000 blacks. Delaware has a black college, even though it has only about 180,000 blacks.

  180. @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me:


    You are uninformed.

    Lying can get you disbarred.
     
    Nope.

    You need to actually read what you link to.

    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer's own client, which is what I referred to.

    Now, if you had been more diligent you could have found bar association rules that forbid a lawyer from lying to his own client. But who do you think enforces such rules? Yeah, the state bar associations -- i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious -- such as stealing a client's money -- to get disbarred.

    The reason I was discussing this with my friend is that next week we have to file a complaint with the Califronia bar against a crooked lawyer: his violations of the "Rules of Professional Conduct" are clear-cut and manifold.

    I am not optimistic they will nail him. I'll let you know.

    I did know a crooked lawyer years ago who was disbarred -- in two states! -- for stealing clients' money. But then he was a bit crazier than the average attorney-- he convinced himself, for example, that he had been knighted by Queen Elizabeth II. Here is the news story on this guy's bizarre life.

    The key points from the story:

    On paper, it was a wonderful life.

    Thomas R. Dahlberg, 41, of Jeannette, claimed to have done it all. He said he was a two-star general, CIA agent, attorney, author and syndicated columnist, computer expert, college professor and Pulitzer Prize nominee.

    But sadly, Dahlberg's life was the stuff of dreams.

    Dahlberg, who died Monday, wrote his own obituary, which family members gave to the Kepple-Graft Funeral Home in Greensburg. He crafted a story that took him from his 1979 graduation at Greensburg Central Catholic High School to some of the nation's most prestigious universities, through a brilliant military career and into important jobs in government and in the legal, academic and technological communities.

    He claimed to have attained the honor of knighthood and identified himself in his obituary as "Dr. Sir Thomas R. Dahlberg." In addition, he claimed to have earned the rank of major general in the Army, as well as post-graduate degrees from some of the nation's leading universities.
     
    The story goes on to explain that they checked out the claims, and they were all a pack of lies.

    Tom lived for a brief time here in Sacramento, which is how I had the misfortune of knowing him. For those of us who knew Tom, the story is not surprising.

    And I've known quite a few lawyers who were only marginally less delusional and crooked than my crazy old acquaitance Tom.

    The people who run this country are almost as far out of touch with reality as good old Tom. Really: how much less delusional than Tom is Joe Biden?

    Very few people yet fully grasp how insane the ruling elite in the West, the parasitic verbalist overclass, has become.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Mr. Anon

    I guess you figured out what Rosie does for a living.

    But, of course, professionals are always bound so tightly to their proffessional code of ethics – lawyers especially. Michael Cohen and Michael Avenatti spring to mind.

    Is Anthony Fauci bound by a code of ethics? How’s that worked out for us?

  181. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    While you’re looking over Codes of Ethics, don’t forget this one:

    https://www.nada.org/codeofethics/

    I’m sure they would never lie to you either.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    I’m sure they would never lie to you either.
     
    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, "openly accepted within the legal profession."

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  182. @Arclight
    @Desiderius

    Definitely - this past holiday season I went to the local high end mall to get a few things and the line to just get into the Louis Vuitton store was over 100 (mostly black) people long. There were a few based on appearance, grooming, etc. that appeared to possibly legitimately afford to be there, but most had the look of hood people looking to get a pair of $200 sweats to be seen in. The jewelry store across the way also had a line, as did Saks. Not a single other retailer had any wait, though.

    My kids used to go to a fairly expensive private school where the teachers generally made between $40K-$60K (surprisingly low). The teachers parking area was a sea of sensible mid-range cars that were generally at least several years old, except for our black gym teacher, who drove a Land Rover. I can definitely understand some of the class consciousness, as even though my household is in the top 5% nationally, at this school we were without question probably in the bottom 25% of income and you cannot help noticing the parade of new high end cars at pick up and drop off while rolling up in your non-luxury and extremely common Japanese SUV. But unlike the gym teacher, I recognize that if I want to move further up the ladder, spending a lot of money on a depreciating asset for appearances' sake is not going to get you there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Buffalo Joe

    That ladder doesn’t go up.

  183. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    Olson/Olsen is Swedish and Danish/Norwegian. That’ll be contentious. Scandinavians don’t like each other all that much anyway, but the Finns and Danes and Norwegians really don’t like the Swedes.

  184. @Desiderius
    @Rosie

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/1411769053329465350?s=20

    Same vibe

    Replies: @Altai

    Matt Yglesias being his same old turbo-austist self chiming in to claim that American economic schools have a dubious reputation for right-wing policy is the best part.

    Their economic policies started out as profoundly right wing, in 2021 they’re no longer considered right wing. That’s the whole point of the observation of modern ‘left wing’ parties. But being the turbo-autist he is, he misses this entirely and proves the point. Honestly Matt’s political transformation has been into just a low-energy Ben Shapiro.

    He also misses the synergy of social liberalism and economic ‘conservatism’. The original meaning of ‘liberal’ in a political sense from the 19th century fits both. Where do you think ‘neoliberalism’ comes from, that’s what the thread is about, the rise of neoliberalism in the place of traditional left-wing economic discourse. It’s almost like the rich quite like both as both tend to be to their benefit and as social liberalism also acts to implicitly lower a sense of shared social responsibility.

    It’s almost like class politics is important or something. As all those Democrats in American economics departments who might want a bit more welfare but otherwise want more globalisation have basically accepted the, at the time, very right wing ideals from decades ago and haven’t challenged them at all.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Altai

    Honestly Matt’s political transformation has been into just a low-energy Ben Shapiro.

    https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nodding_clint_eastwood.gif

  185. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    Skylar is as ridiculous a respelling of Schuyler as any of the popular mockeries of Michaela, of which there are many. Keeping Tyler (a fad boy's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) from being confused with @Taylor (a fad girl's name taken from a 19th-century presidential surname) was fairly easy.

    But who can keep straight Skylar/Skyler or Payton/Peyton as to which sex it belongs to? At least transitioning will only require the change of a single letter, as when Miss Olson marries Mr Olsen.


    http://www.shoecomics.com/archives/shoe_daily/shoe_daily010418.jpg

    The name is an indicator of a shallowness in the parents. If "millennials" want a substantive charge to throw at hated "boomers", well, there it is. Your names are stupid, stupid, stupid. Even when they aren't on the surface (e.g., Madison), the reason it was bestowed often is (a movie mermaid? Seriously?)

    Teenagers laugh at every dumb fad their parents once thought was "cool". The one exception is the very names they carry. That cuts a little too close to home.

    Whenever I'm served by a young lady named Maddie, I ask her if she's Madeleine or Madison. Rarely is it the former. Whether that reflects the relative number of the two names, or that Madeleines are more likely to be proud of their full names is a tempting question to explore.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @frankie p, @Art Deco, @Russ, @Thea, @sayless, @gent

    That’s why my sons is named Fereydoon Setanta.

  186. I like Kent. We should help him pick the right battles.

    I don’t get the sense Zuck loathes anything. Not many loathers among CivFanatics. Just seems like he’s LFG and if you’re a leader you’re used to people like that trying to tag along.

    He wants to be a mountaineer-American can’t say I blame him. Better than waving a rainbow fist and aping the CCP like John Cornball and his butt-buddies. We could use the help.

  187. The best way to solve the housing issue is to

    1: Abolish property taxes on primary residencies. (No one needs to move out of a paid off property unless they want to, no matter what development happens around them. Also good for anyone with an estate with acreage, or a small home in a downtown area.)

    2. Build East Asian style HDBs complete with markets and shops. (Not high rises though, as those are structurally and long term inefficient)

    3. Build coffin apartments

    Between these three, everyone gets covered. No one can be forced off their property by a simple change in the economy or rising prices or taxes or a stroke of ill fortune. Families and people looking to live in a city will have a reasonably priced and available living space they can actually own (the flat) or rent, with walkable and nearby community infrastructure. Finally, someone who ends up basically homeless (but not from insanity or drugs), is a real migratory bird, has super low standards, or wants to scout a place out has an incredibly cheap option.

  188. @Arclight
    @Desiderius

    Definitely - this past holiday season I went to the local high end mall to get a few things and the line to just get into the Louis Vuitton store was over 100 (mostly black) people long. There were a few based on appearance, grooming, etc. that appeared to possibly legitimately afford to be there, but most had the look of hood people looking to get a pair of $200 sweats to be seen in. The jewelry store across the way also had a line, as did Saks. Not a single other retailer had any wait, though.

    My kids used to go to a fairly expensive private school where the teachers generally made between $40K-$60K (surprisingly low). The teachers parking area was a sea of sensible mid-range cars that were generally at least several years old, except for our black gym teacher, who drove a Land Rover. I can definitely understand some of the class consciousness, as even though my household is in the top 5% nationally, at this school we were without question probably in the bottom 25% of income and you cannot help noticing the parade of new high end cars at pick up and drop off while rolling up in your non-luxury and extremely common Japanese SUV. But unlike the gym teacher, I recognize that if I want to move further up the ladder, spending a lot of money on a depreciating asset for appearances' sake is not going to get you there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Buffalo Joe

    Arc, $40K is a low public school starting salary here in WNY. The local HS parking lot is filled with newer cars and some low end luxury cars. High end housing is where our local teachers spend their money.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Buffalo Joe

    Public school teachers generally get paid more than most of the private school teachers in my city. Having also briefly had my kids in public school, I'd say the discount of being a private school teacher is totally worth it when it comes to the students and their parents, plus most of the private schools offer a huge discount on tuition for the teachers' own kids.

  189. @Arclight
    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on 'visible goods' like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @John Johnson, @anon, @Bill Jones

    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious…

  190. @Altai
    @Desiderius

    Matt Yglesias being his same old turbo-austist self chiming in to claim that American economic schools have a dubious reputation for right-wing policy is the best part.

    Their economic policies started out as profoundly right wing, in 2021 they're no longer considered right wing. That's the whole point of the observation of modern 'left wing' parties. But being the turbo-autist he is, he misses this entirely and proves the point. Honestly Matt's political transformation has been into just a low-energy Ben Shapiro.

    He also misses the synergy of social liberalism and economic 'conservatism'. The original meaning of 'liberal' in a political sense from the 19th century fits both. Where do you think 'neoliberalism' comes from, that's what the thread is about, the rise of neoliberalism in the place of traditional left-wing economic discourse. It's almost like the rich quite like both as both tend to be to their benefit and as social liberalism also acts to implicitly lower a sense of shared social responsibility.

    It's almost like class politics is important or something. As all those Democrats in American economics departments who might want a bit more welfare but otherwise want more globalisation have basically accepted the, at the time, very right wing ideals from decades ago and haven't challenged them at all.

    Replies: @anon

    Honestly Matt’s political transformation has been into just a low-energy Ben Shapiro.

  191. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man–
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began:
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire.

  192. I was a loan officer for a major California bank. I am retired. I made home loans, car loans, etc. I was never instructed to do anything other than look at the income, credit scores for ability to pay and willingness to pay.
    The house had to be appraised. The vehicle had to be road worthy but the race of the applicant was not an issue.
    After I retired, I was appalled at the lowering of federal standards to get loans for people who couldn’t manage the debt. We know what happened.

  193. Hanania is at least wrong in interesting ways, and with the direction Caltech is going he might even end up right.

    But yeah the temporal chauvinism of the postmodern curriculum produces a mental tabula that’s inadvertently pretty rasa, at least when it comes to history and culture.

  194. The real problem is that housing is so spread out in the United States and when large tracts of housing are built all at the same time, it inevitably means that you end up not having other amenities such as stores within walking distance of the homes.

    In fact in newer communities everything is more and more spaced out and it is all gated housing subdivisions and freeways.

    In most countries within the 2 American continents and the Caribbean you will find rich people living in large walled homes right next to, or within walking distance of poor people living in very modest homes.

    Usually there is copious public transportation that is very cheap, and everybody can shop in the same markets and malls.

    There is very little building development going on in the United States that is aimed specifically at sales to low income and new immigrant workers and their families and that is located close to amenities.

    The best thing we have is trailer parks, which account for a significant percentage of overall housing in the United States, but do nothing to build family wealth.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    The ratio of housing costs in a given neighborhood (to nominal income per capita in the commuter belt as a whole) are going up and down all the time. You don't need housing constructed specifically 'for' some social segment. What you need to do is to ensure that building codes, land use regulations, and the practice of landlord-tenant law do not prevent such housing from emerging from amongst the extant building stock.

  195. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Yancey Ward

    Agree. And no real information. Did the White woman walk into a real estate agency and say “I want to sell my home” and no one looked at the home, just the address ? Did the White woman walk into a bank and ask for a second mortgage? I agree it’s another lie about race.

    And it’s in Business Insider which means the business world is no as anti White as the world of government. And voluntarily, without EEOC duress.

    An easy plan would just add as many points to the credit score of every black in the country till the credit score is 750. And subtract enough points to bring down the credit score of every White to 500 or less.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    A quick read of the wiki bio of the click-mill’s founder, Henry Blodget, should instruct you that this is not your dad’s “business world” publication. “Woke capital” isn’t and never has been an oxymoron. Sharper-Image-Black-Liberation is a big box office hit & still lots of consoomer profit left in it.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous


    A quick read of the wiki bio of the click-mill’s founder, Henry Blodget, should instruct you that this is not your dad’s “business world” publication. “Woke capital” isn’t and never has been an oxymoron. Sharper-Image-Black-Liberation is a big box office hit & still lots of consoomer profit left in it.~
     
    He is from an old line family. The main swimming pool at Harvard is the Blodgett Pool. It is huge! -- https://tinyurl.com/vbzhybr9
  196. Black borrowers are 80% more likely to be denied a mortgage than white borrowers.

    The Fair Lending for All Act would establish a new federal office to ensure discrimination in lending is not happening.

    Because one great recession in the early 21st century isn’t enough.

    I don’t really see any qualifications in this guy’s resume blurb that indicate an extensive knowledge of mortgages or real estate finance.

    Skylar Baker-Jordan

    Skylar Baker-Jordan has more than 10 years’ experience writing about US and UK politics. He is a former contributing editor at the Gay UK Magazine, where he led their coverage of the 2017 UK General Election. He regularly writes about how identity shapes politics and public policy on both sides of the Atlantic. His bylines include The Independent, Newsweek, Huff Post UK, Salon, and Metro. His media appearances include the BBC World Service, the Democratically podcast, and the one his family is most proud of – a profile in his local newspaper, the La Follette Press. He has a BA in history from Western Kentucky University.

    Oh, sorry. He wrote for Gay UK. My mistake.

    This is the new priestly class of the left finding a home in journalism wherever they decide to plop their fat pontificating rear ends.

  197. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I knew it!
     
    In other news...

    Studies show that women are massively overrepresented among those who give birth to babies. Men aren't pulling their weight.

    BTW, isn't this charming?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/family/man-says-stay-home-mums-24434412

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Studies show that women are massively overrepresented among those who give birth to babies. Men aren’t pulling their weight.

    You are living before Year Zero. The birthing-person sex gap has seen phenomenal progress in gross justice product in the past 12 months.

    • LOL: Rosie
  198. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation. Because the houses in these enclaves have a high demand for them, their price shoots up. But it's not whites who cause white housing to be so expensive.

    NO WHITE WANTS TO PAY AN ARM AND LEG FOR HOUSING.

    They ONLY do it because THEY'RE FORCED TO. What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?

    It's violent black attacks on whites, which cause whites to flee, which causes safe housing located away from ghettos to be so expensive and in so much demand.

    Blacks MAKE housing expensive for whites. It's not whites that do it. Blacks and hideous black behavior causes massive price distortions in the housing markets. Plenty of whites would live in those cheap, inner-city houses--if the black neighborhoods those houses are in weren't wildly unsafe due to black predation of whites. Those ghetto houses used to belong to whites in the early part of the 20th century anyway. It was black crime that destroyed their value.

    Replies: @Anon

    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation.

    What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?

    I’ve stumbled across a couple of Mormon family YouTuber channels, basically reality shows on YouTube following family activities of Mormon families with a lot of kids. They live in obscenely huge houses. It’s hard to figure out they afford them, given the jobs that the parents supposedly do. YouTube income can’t be that much, can it?

    So I assume the the houses are just much cheaper than I imagine, but they are build in a very white community in Utah. That’s it. Add more blacks and all of a sudden the housing economic dynamics would change drastically. And these families need cheap houses because they also need to buy buslike vehicles to carry a dozen or more people.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    @Anon

    They live in places that are rather "un-hip" for folks who like lots of entertainment and the "conveniences". That all comes at a cost... namely family.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    My wife is one of eight kids. Her parents managed well without obscene income. The old house in Severna Park MD is more valuable for the lot than the building. Vehicle of choice was a Chevy Suburban.
    None of the kids felt deprived, but perhaps tellingly, at Thanksgiving I count more Degrees than grand-kids.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anon

  199. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1412016525159059460?s=20

    Many such cases. The kind of woman who makes it to the top despises the competent nerds who keep things running too much to be an effective manager, let alone leader.

    They’re like an auto-immune disease for organizations.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    But no one beside White males has agency so Norma Rocio Gahle Garcia is irrelevant.

  200. @Reg Cesar (#40)

    Prop 13’s popularity (though the schoolies never tire of attacking it) continues to stem from how it prevents homeowners from being reassessed every week and, eventually, into homelessness. It’s time for 13 v2: Every real property owner pays the same, low rate per 100 square feet. $1 sounds about right.

    #23 (statehood!) is ridiculous. Three Electoral votes for the USG. For that matter, those sparsely populated, mountain states, plus HI, should never have been admitted. For example, the USG can always count on (85% federally owned) NV’s support. I’m guessing that the Indian tribe, that owns a sizable chunk of AK, is just a front for Standard Oil of CA. Three more EVs for the Rockefellers.

    [MORE]

    It’s ridiculous how the government receives a tax windfall every time a reassessment event, e.g. a sale or an added bathroom, occurs. It’s also ridiculously unethical how twin houses, side by side, one owned by A since ’75 and the other recently bought by B, can be taxed (assessed) so lopsided.

    A (sic) deserves a tax decrease, and A & B should pay equally.

    • Agree: Alden
  201. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And ladies, too


    https://www.history.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTU3ODc5MDgyNDA0MTYxMjQ3/betsy-ross-and-assistants-sew-first-flag.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joseph Doaks

    Re: Betsy Ross and friends sewing the first American flag

    Here is obviously the source of American systemic racism; those bigoted White women deliberately used white cloth to make half of the stripes and ALL of the stars!

  202. @Alden
    @PhysicistDave

    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying? Every profession and occupation from sales to medical research and public health. The latter 2 professions have been totally exposed as complete liars since March 2020 when medicine and public health lied to the world about covid hoax.

    Journalism; I don’t believe there’s a publication in the country that isn’t pages and pages of lies.

    Teaching; even hard science and math are full of wokeness, anti White racism and CRT. College biology teachers claim that “ blue eyes and blond and red hair are mutations and the sooner they disappear the better”

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying?

    I would say structural engineering, except in So. Florida.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @James Speaks

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

  203. @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, $40K is a low public school starting salary here in WNY. The local HS parking lot is filled with newer cars and some low end luxury cars. High end housing is where our local teachers spend their money.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Public school teachers generally get paid more than most of the private school teachers in my city. Having also briefly had my kids in public school, I’d say the discount of being a private school teacher is totally worth it when it comes to the students and their parents, plus most of the private schools offer a huge discount on tuition for the teachers’ own kids.

  204. @John Milton's Ghost
    @Arclight

    True--yet it's even worse, since most taxes go to fund a mostly white professional class in the government, a class that hates other whites and belittles them at every turn. Every government program to ameliorate, say, poverty, spends most of its funds on government employees, their pensions, their unions, their benefits. Their equity isn't on the line. Their jobs will not be outsourced. They aren't fireable, they are mostly untouchable legally, and they live in an echo chamber.

    I'm indifferent to most people of color. I'm willing to judge them as individuals, even given the disparities in cultural and genetic backgrounds that they have. But the whites who run things? That liberty tree needs to be watered there first.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Yeah, hard to disagree. The people leading the charge against ordinary Americans and the CRT blood libel are 90% professional whites. I recently had to participate in a roundtable about some economic issues in my city and surrounding areas and there is a new well-funded diversity and inclusion non-profit that chirped up at every opportunity. Naturally the higher up professional staff are white women, with a handful of lower level black employees to round things out.

  205. @ScarletNumber
    @Wilkey


    Sean is the Irish Gaelic version of John
     
    Interesting because Sean Combs' birthname was Sean John Combs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting because Sean Combs’ birthname was Sean John Combs.

    Do Ann and Nancy Wilson know their names come from the same place? There must be brothers named James and Jacob, Henry and Harry, sisters named Alice or Alicia and Heidi, Mary and Miriam, Molly and Polly. A George could have a Yorick, but I doubt the latter name is in common use.

    Deborah and Melissa mean “honeybee” in different languages.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    I know a set of brothers named Michael and Mickey. Their father had a plate in his head from Vietnam.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting that in the defeat of Ukraine England's goals were scored by Harry Kane and Harry MacGuire.

    Since both of them are junior to Prince Harry, it is a good bet that they were named after him. However I can see that in a few years time England soccer fans will be saying: Alas, poor Yorick, as a generation of soccer players are named after young Prince George.

  206. OT, but another example of preposterously stupid anti-whiteness, from 4 years ago:

    How Does Race Affect a Student’s Math Education?
    A new paper examines the ways “whiteness” reproduces racial advantages and disadvantages.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/04/racist-math-education/524199/

    QUOTE:
    While acknowledging its contributions, Bullock still questioned a core principle: In scrutinizing whiteness, had the paper skirted the idea of anti-blackness? By definition, she said, whiteness and anti-blackness might appear to mean the same thing. But the terms can mask distinctions, she noted. To illustrate, Bullock applied a critical race-theory lens to the paper’s findings—for example, how the conclusions on racial stereotypes might be viewed differently if the measure wasn’t the dominant positioning of white students (whiteness) but how the test is racially biased (anti-blackness). “I think it centers white [people] in a way, even as you’re thinking about interrogating whiteness,” she said. “A framework for whiteness necessitates a discussion of anti-blackness. To operate in anti-blackness [is] a very different thing.”
    Still, both Bullock and Battey agreed that school systems ought to support math educators in deconstructing and discarding the white frame of mathematics education. “Hopefully this starts to attune people to what to look for in classrooms [and how to] provide more opportunities for students to engage more openly in mathematics,” Battey said.

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    Interesting because Sean Combs’ birthname was Sean John Combs.
     
    Do Ann and Nancy Wilson know their names come from the same place? There must be brothers named James and Jacob, Henry and Harry, sisters named Alice or Alicia and Heidi, Mary and Miriam, Molly and Polly. A George could have a Yorick, but I doubt the latter name is in common use.

    Deborah and Melissa mean "honeybee" in different languages.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason

    I know a set of brothers named Michael and Mickey. Their father had a plate in his head from Vietnam.

  208. Who will they blame when everything has been taken, everyone else is dead, and they are STILL FAILURES??? When my wife and I first got out of college, we lived in a very small apartment and drove very old used cars. When we upgraded that apartment, we sold one of the cars and I rode by bicycle to work so we could easily afford the new apartment and have money to save. We bought economically-priced clothes and shoes, rarely ate out, had relatively low alcohol consumption, and employed other “deferments of pleasure” so that we could live within our means and even save some.

    At what point is someone going to finally stand up and speak the truth about the REAL REASONS some blacks are poor, and some whites are poor, and some Asians are poor, and some Hispanics are poor? The last guy who was brutally honest, just got released from jail on a technicality after having been prosecuted as much for his stand on black economic truths as his alleged assaults on women.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @MrLiberty

    William H. Cosby, EdD is a prominent critic of public education.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @MrLiberty

    "Who will they blame when everything has been taken, everyone else is dead, and they are STILL FAILURES???"

    "The legacy of White supremacy."

  209. @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar


    Or suppository. Which is essentially how they mean it.
     
    On the other hand, oral administration results in this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgIkbg0x80

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I prefer diatomaceous earth. If we are ever invaded by hostile aliens with exoskeletons, Chad will become the most important country on the planet.

    There are worse things than silica gel:

  210. @Arclight
    The homeownership debate glides past the obvious, namely that having the foresight and self-restraint to accumulate enough for a down payment and maintain a decent credit are not only key factors for lenders in the sense that they are gambling the money of their depositors when they issue a loan, but indicative of how likely someone is going to stay current on what they owe. I cannot remember the source, but I believe blacks have higher default rates than whites at every income band even with comparable credit scores. Banks have loads of data and know their potential customers quite well, as do national retailers, yet no one ever talks about the fondness of blacks for spending disproportionate share of their income on 'visible goods' like clothing and cars.

    Likewise, as someone involved in property management of rentals for people of lesser means, a red pill early in my career was looking at the tenant income certifications for a very large multifamily property in a major metro area. I would see white and Asian (mostly ME) households with incomes of less than $40K with 3x the savings of black households in the $60K-$100K range. Similarly, unit inspections would often reveal black households with closets full of clothes, large screen TVs (back when these cost thousands), Xboxes for the kids, and a fairly new car parked outside, whereas most of the other residents had cars in the 5-10 year old range and very modest furnishings.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Desiderius, @John Johnson, @anon, @Bill Jones

    There have been numerous studies that show that banks are more likely to be defaulted on by blacks than whites across numerous criteria: Mortgage size, income, credit rating, zip code etc.
    The constant in all cases is culture.
    Black culture doesn’t repay either its practitioners or their financiers.

  211. @Travis
    @Arclight

    If we examine all the social welfare programs, disability and affirmative action programs the net transfer of wealth from Whites to Blacks is closer to $1.5 Trillion annually.

    Medicaid alone spends $2.1 Trillion and most of it goes to Blacks and Hispanics. The military wastes 20% of their budget enlisting Blacks. Same can be said for NASA, the CDC and the IRS etc...

    The corporate word also transfers billions of dollars from productive Whites to Blacks via diversity departments and affirmative action promotions at the expense of whites. The banks have been coerced into lending more and more to Blacks and Hispanics since the 1990s, resulting in the Housing bubble and collapse which caused the great recession. Our colleges waste billions of dollars educating Blacks who will either never graduate or never utilize their degrees, having learned almost nothing during their years in school. Most Blacks who graduate from law school will never practice law or quit after a few years if they some-how pass the bar exam.

    Entire cities have seen their institutions and real-estate values destroyed by policies which encouraged Blacks to live white cities. The cost of catering to Blacks and Hispanics over the last 50 years is gigantic and the damage done to America is far greater than the economic destruction wrought by our racist laws which destroy white wealth.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Medicaid alone spends $2.1 Trillion and most of it goes to Blacks and Hispanics.

    Medicaid expenditures in 2019 were about $640 bn. About 46% of all beneficiaries were black or hispanic.

  212. @Alden
    @ThreeCranes

    I’m somewhat experienced in some aspects of real property including construction and major major maintenance.

    Those $25,000 houses are unlivable . I’ve seen some although they were priced a lot more. The houses are a shell. The outer walls are intact. And often newly painted. But those houses need to be completely rebuilt. Completely new plumbing, electrical, floors, interior walls and of course completely new kitchens and bathrooms and always new roofs, often new foundations. Plus if it’s an old house, you’ll find some horrific and damaging remodeling and repairs done by incompetent homeowners over the years.

    What the buyers get is a shell that needs completele rebuilding. Which is always more complicated than building a new house.

    What the buyers actually get is a lot worth $25,000 with a derelict house and a say $200,000 mortgage to completely rebuild it.

    And the first time home owner who barely knows a hammer from a nail gun is left to deal with contractors of varying skill and honesty.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Nicholas Stix

    Thanks for clarifying.

    Yeah. That would be a big job even for me, (working alone) so I can see how it would be completely out of reach for a black man or group of black men.

  213. @Jonathan Mason
    The real problem is that housing is so spread out in the United States and when large tracts of housing are built all at the same time, it inevitably means that you end up not having other amenities such as stores within walking distance of the homes.

    In fact in newer communities everything is more and more spaced out and it is all gated housing subdivisions and freeways.

    In most countries within the 2 American continents and the Caribbean you will find rich people living in large walled homes right next to, or within walking distance of poor people living in very modest homes.

    Usually there is copious public transportation that is very cheap, and everybody can shop in the same markets and malls.

    There is very little building development going on in the United States that is aimed specifically at sales to low income and new immigrant workers and their families and that is located close to amenities.

    The best thing we have is trailer parks, which account for a significant percentage of overall housing in the United States, but do nothing to build family wealth.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The ratio of housing costs in a given neighborhood (to nominal income per capita in the commuter belt as a whole) are going up and down all the time. You don’t need housing constructed specifically ‘for’ some social segment. What you need to do is to ensure that building codes, land use regulations, and the practice of landlord-tenant law do not prevent such housing from emerging from amongst the extant building stock.

  214. @Dmon
    @Rosie

    The Draconian penalties incurred by lying to the court:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/fbi_lawyer_that_lied_to_judge_on_fisa_warrant_will_be_able_to_practice_law_again_in_august_after_zero_jail_time.html

    Replies: @Rosie

    The Draconian penalties incurred by lying to the court:

    Please. I’d like to see some run-of-the-mill nobody lawyer get away with something like that.
    It helps to have friends in high places, in the professions as elsewhere.

  215. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie

    While you're looking over Codes of Ethics, don't forget this one:

    https://www.nada.org/codeofethics/

    I'm sure they would never lie to you either.

    Replies: @Rosie

    I’m sure they would never lie to you either.

    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, “openly accepted within the legal profession.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, “openly accepted within the legal profession.”
     
    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.

    Replies: @Alden, @Rosie

  216. @PhysicistDave
    @Abolish_public_education

    Abolish_public_education wrote:


    Licensed lawyers should only be eligible to serve in the judicial (of course their own institution is the most f’d-up of all).
     
    For various reasons, my wife and I have had the chance to interact with a number of lawyers over the last couple decades.

    One of them had the honesty to tell us that of course he would lie on behalf of his clients.

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Even worse, we have seen cases, again and again, of lawyers openly lying to their own clients. And when caught red-handed, they are not even apologetic. They view lying to their own clients as part of their job description.

    Contemptible.

    Before someone objects that a few lawyers are honest, yeah, I know. I know a woman who is a lawyer with the state disability board here in Sacramento who, as far as I can tell, is honestly trying to serve the taxpayers as well as people who have legitimate disability claims.

    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.

    Replies: @Rosie, @odin, @Art Deco, @Alden, @Adam Smith

    Is there any other profession in which the normal performance of your professional duties involves lying?

    Politicians (and pretty much everyone involved with the masquerade known as “government”), journalists, clergy, bankers, stock brokers, advertising professionals, insurance salesmen, car salesmen, and police officers all immediately come to mind.

  217. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Do you know any prosecutors, either personally or professionally? I doubt it.

    Replies: @Alden

    Tony Massey I asked Art Deco if he knew any lawyers either professionally or personally. Not you.

    And that fuddy duddy ancient conservative is a conservative blowhard; completely ignoring affirmative action and anti White racism. He’s a business conservative. Low taxes and all sorts of tax payer paid incentives for small businesses run by non White immigrants. PCR is stuck in the 1950s. He’s unaware of what the government has done to Whites in the last 60 years.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Yes, as a matter of fact both personally and professionally. Doesn't matter in this discussion, since no one knows you're a pig on the internet.

    As a rule, I'm sympathetic to rank-and-file lawyers because their income fluctuates a great deal, a great many of the newly minted among them cannot make a living at it and have to find something else to do with their life, and they're earning fairly ordinary bourgeois incomes when they do succeed. They also require a certain equanimity and nimbleness of mind to keep on top of their workload. I could never do this myself.

    In re prosecutors, the few I've been acquainted with in office settings didn't set off any red flags. Roberts and Wm. L. Anderson have written a great deal about prosecutorial misconduct, Roberts in the federal system and Anderson in re the State of North Carolina. You read about cases in the paper and some of them leave you stupefied. I also correspond with lawyers who do criminal defense work. One of them remarked that prosecutors don't get much experience at trial cross-examining liars because the liars are their own witnesses.

    Replies: @Alden, @BLESTO-V, @David In TN

    , @Tony massey
    @Alden

    That disagree was akin to a butt dial. Just one of those things that happens.
    It wouldn't have even made any sense to disagree.

  218. @Mr. Anon

    America’s housing market is racist. Congress could easily help fix it if they wanted to.

    [email protected] (Skylar Baker-Jordan) 6 days ago
     

    As a rule, I make it a point not to pay attention to anything said by anyone named "Skylar", especially if that person is ostensibly a man who also has a hypenated surname. I see no reason to change that rule in this case.

    This guy is some whiney, pudgy gay millenial Limey who writes about America. It's amazing how many Brits think they are experts on America. They aren't (with a few exceptions, like Mr. Derbyshire).

    Replies: @Alden, @Rob McX, @Ben tillman

    There’s one Englishman who knows little about America who comments profusely on this site.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  219. @James Speaks
    @Alden


    Is there any profession or occupation that doesn’t involve lying?
     
    I would say structural engineering, except in So. Florida.
    https://theusposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Miami-Beach-declares-state-of-emergency-after-deadly-apartment-building-1024x683.jpg

    Replies: @Alden

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Alden

    The "Endeavour" UK TV series had an episode where they used the wrong kind of sand in a high rise, causing it to collapse. The people behind it weren't merely cheap, they were a gang of murderous thugs (including policemen). The shark was jumped.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @James Speaks
    @Alden

    Here are a few references:

    After searching for standards that are part of the International Building Code (IBC), I found


    https://www.astm.org/Standards/cement-and-concrete-standards.html

     

    which led me to the American Concrete Institute (ACI) and

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete
     
    and their FAQ page. To wit:

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete
     

    and the answer

    Technical Questions
    ACI COMMITTEES, MEMBERSHIP, AND STAFF HAVE ANSWERED COMMON QUESTIONS ON A VARIETY OF CONCRETE RELATED TOPICS.

    Q. Can you use any source of water as mixing water?

    A. Any water that is potable (drinkable) is acceptable as mixing water. Some water that is not potable may also be suitable for concrete. Tests should be performed, however, to determine if desired properties can be achieved. Acceptance criteria for mixing water are given in ASTM C94. Impurities that make water not fit for drinking may affect the setting time, strength, appearance, and resistance to degradation. Relevant tests would indicate if unacceptable performance could occur. Salt water should not be used as mixing water in steel-reinforced concrete.
     

    You wrote:

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    I disagree.

    PS I have a degree in Science

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Rob McX
    @Alden

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    ItAnd how do you know this? Can you provide a link to this information?

    The reason I ask this is that everybody who has ever worked with concrete even if it is just making planters for the yard knows that you don't use sea water for mixing concrete. Not even for concrete pillars that are going to be submerged in saltwater to support bridges.

    So it seems to me inherently I'm likely that licensed contractors in the United States would use saltwater make concrete. But I could be wrong if you can show me the evidence.

    I was in Haiti in 2010 a couple of weeks after the major earthquakes there and you could see destroyed buildings where the rebar was twisted like spaghetti, and it was apparent that insufficient rebar had been used, or that which was used was not of sufficient strength or thickness, but that is Haiti where corruption is rife. Corrupt though the United State of Florida may be, using salt water to mix concrete for a high-rise building would be an amazing act of corruption and stupidity. Or even mixing it using sand that contains salt.

    Replies: @Alden

  220. @Almost Missouri


    The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.
     
    Which is when redlining was illegal.

    Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020.
     

     
    So actually blacks were doing better back in the bad old days of evil redlining, when they weren't subject to being upsold into excessively large mortgages with no down payment and extra-high interest rates. Interesting.


    A lot of the discrimination currently keeping Americans of color from equally accessing credit comes from seemingly race-neutral policies that are applied evenly but have a disparate impact. Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood.
     

     
    Blacks' problem isn't "equally accessing credit", it's excessively accessing credit: taking out big loans they can't pay back and end up defaulting on. Of course it's just a coincidence that the loan originators make bigger commissions on those unrepayable loans.


    the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.
     

     
    Fake story. Besides that it is a lie on its face, it doesn't even make real-world sense. Is this supposed to mean that a black woman uploaded a white friend's photo to Zillow and then the Z-Value® suddenly doubled? Or that the white friend stood in the doorway, and then the local tax assessor saw it and said, "By jingo, I'm doubling your tax assessment effective immediately!"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @res

    The whole thing is a racket really, since a builder builds a house, then a bank lends a sum of money so that a homeowner can buy it from the builder, usually at a fat profit.

    But the bank doesn’t really have the money or only has a small proportion of the money, and the rest of the money is essentially created by the act of building the house, so building a house is actually a way of printing new money.

    Only banks can actually print money in this way.

    So every time you buy a home for your family, you are actually enriching a lot of other people, including the builder, the real estate agent, the mortgage broker, the attorney who provides the title insurance and closing, and the banker who makes the loan.

    So no wonder housing is so expensive. Not only that, but since each of these people takes a percentage of the value of the house, the more expensive the house the better the deal for the whole cabal. I don’t know if any other countries do it better, or whether this is universal wherever homes are built.

    You would think that current low interest rates would make buying a home more affordable, but it is actually had the effect of pushing sale prices upwards, so there is little benefit to the average family.

    I don’t know what percentage of builders, bankers, real estate agents, mortgage brokers,and closing agents are black and white, but you usually get a slightly better deal if you can get your home financed through a credit union.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
  221. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    Rosie wrote to me:

    [Dave] The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.

    [Rosie[ Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn’t do a very good job.

    They didn’t seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?

    What I said was true: the page youy linked to referred to lying to a court, whereas what I had posted aboutr was lying to clients.

    I guess you are just too stupid — or crooked — to grasp that.

    Or both.

    Typical lawyer.

    Rosie also wrote:

    Generally, no, disbarment isn’t the first resort as long as you don’t embezzle client’s money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Exactly. Does the swindled client no good at all, does it?

    Typical.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave


    They didn’t seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?
     


    I guess you are just too stupid — or crooked — to grasp that...Or both...Typical lawyer.
     
    Oh look, PharmacistDave is being an asshole and calling people names on the internet again. Typical boomer narcissist. The world will be better when you're dead.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  222. @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    Interesting because Sean Combs’ birthname was Sean John Combs.
     
    Do Ann and Nancy Wilson know their names come from the same place? There must be brothers named James and Jacob, Henry and Harry, sisters named Alice or Alicia and Heidi, Mary and Miriam, Molly and Polly. A George could have a Yorick, but I doubt the latter name is in common use.

    Deborah and Melissa mean "honeybee" in different languages.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason

    Interesting that in the defeat of Ukraine England’s goals were scored by Harry Kane and Harry MacGuire.

    Since both of them are junior to Prince Harry, it is a good bet that they were named after him. However I can see that in a few years time England soccer fans will be saying: Alas, poor Yorick, as a generation of soccer players are named after young Prince George.

  223. @Anonymous
    @Alden

    A quick read of the wiki bio of the click-mill's founder, Henry Blodget, should instruct you that this is not your dad's "business world" publication. "Woke capital" isn't and never has been an oxymoron. Sharper-Image-Black-Liberation is a big box office hit & still lots of consoomer profit left in it.

    Replies: @Clyde

    A quick read of the wiki bio of the click-mill’s founder, Henry Blodget, should instruct you that this is not your dad’s “business world” publication. “Woke capital” isn’t and never has been an oxymoron. Sharper-Image-Black-Liberation is a big box office hit & still lots of consoomer profit left in it.~

    He is from an old line family. The main swimming pool at Harvard is the Blodgett Pool. It is huge! — https://tinyurl.com/vbzhybr9

  224. @Mr. Anon

    America’s housing market is racist. Congress could easily help fix it if they wanted to.

    [email protected] (Skylar Baker-Jordan) 6 days ago
     

    As a rule, I make it a point not to pay attention to anything said by anyone named "Skylar", especially if that person is ostensibly a man who also has a hypenated surname. I see no reason to change that rule in this case.

    This guy is some whiney, pudgy gay millenial Limey who writes about America. It's amazing how many Brits think they are experts on America. They aren't (with a few exceptions, like Mr. Derbyshire).

    Replies: @Alden, @Rob McX, @Ben tillman

    Yikes. This guy has to be seen to be believed. He looks exactly the sort who’d get seven shades of shit kicked out of him by the oppressed blacks he loves so much.

    He is American, however, but in addition to writing on his home country, he also comments on UK politics, about which I assume he’s equally clueless.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rob McX

    I think perhaps "Tiny Duck" has outed himself.

  225. @Just another serf
    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it. Great neighbors. Friendly, peaceful, law abiding, lovable folks. Also, their music is awesome. My second favorite after Mariachi. Great rhymes.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it.

    On TV, that is.

  226. @Alden
    @James Speaks

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    The “Endeavour” UK TV series had an episode where they used the wrong kind of sand in a high rise, causing it to collapse. The people behind it weren’t merely cheap, they were a gang of murderous thugs (including policemen). The shark was jumped.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Ralph L

    Everyone’ s heard of famous Alcatraz prison. It only lasted about 40 years. Why?????? Too much sand in the concrete. White collar crooks built a prison for other crooks.

  227. @Alden
    @James Speaks

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    Here are a few references:

    After searching for standards that are part of the International Building Code (IBC), I found

    https://www.astm.org/Standards/cement-and-concrete-standards.html

    which led me to the American Concrete Institute (ACI) and

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete

    and their FAQ page. To wit:

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete

    and the answer

    Technical Questions
    ACI COMMITTEES, MEMBERSHIP, AND STAFF HAVE ANSWERED COMMON QUESTIONS ON A VARIETY OF CONCRETE RELATED TOPICS.

    Q. Can you use any source of water as mixing water?

    A. Any water that is potable (drinkable) is acceptable as mixing water. Some water that is not potable may also be suitable for concrete. Tests should be performed, however, to determine if desired properties can be achieved. Acceptance criteria for mixing water are given in ASTM C94. Impurities that make water not fit for drinking may affect the setting time, strength, appearance, and resistance to degradation. Relevant tests would indicate if unacceptable performance could occur. Salt water should not be used as mixing water in steel-reinforced concrete.

    You wrote:

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    I disagree.

    PS I have a degree in Science

    • Replies: @Alden
    @James Speaks

    The point is not what the IBC code says about seawater concrete but what the Miami Dade County Building Code says about concrete mixing sea water with concrete. It doesn’t forbid mixing aggregate and sea water for concrete.

    Then there’s the County and City building inspectors. Inspectors aren’t on site supervising. They arrive when parts of the building are finished. And the work passes or doesn’t . They wouldn’t be watching the process of mixing the concrete. It might not be done on site. Mixed elsewhere and transported to the site. Inspectors aren’t at the supply store approving materials . They check as the work is finished.

    Building inspectors and contractors aren’t the most reliable people. Example. Town of Fairfax Ca built a school. The town inspector approved and gave the Certificate of Occupancy. But since the state education department paid for the school, it needed a state inspection. The state inspector found such shoddy work the school never opened.

    The county inspector was a well known drunk who could be paid off with a case of bourbon. It wasn’t just the school. Every other building in that town that was built during his 20 plus year tenure was a mess too. Every contractor in the county knew that if they built in his district, they could get away with anything. And they did.

    Point is, not the IBC code, but the pertinent City and County code, inspectors and contractors build and approve the buildings And the pertinent county code doesn’t forbid using sea water to mix concrete.

    In Los Angeles many inspectors, landlords and contractors in certain areas. all belong to the same ethnic group. And the inspectors don’t find problems with buildings their co ethics own or build.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  228. @Alden
    @Alden

    Tony Massey I asked Art Deco if he knew any lawyers either professionally or personally. Not you.

    And that fuddy duddy ancient conservative is a conservative blowhard; completely ignoring affirmative action and anti White racism. He’s a business conservative. Low taxes and all sorts of tax payer paid incentives for small businesses run by non White immigrants. PCR is stuck in the 1950s. He’s unaware of what the government has done to Whites in the last 60 years.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Tony massey

    Yes, as a matter of fact both personally and professionally. Doesn’t matter in this discussion, since no one knows you’re a pig on the internet.

    As a rule, I’m sympathetic to rank-and-file lawyers because their income fluctuates a great deal, a great many of the newly minted among them cannot make a living at it and have to find something else to do with their life, and they’re earning fairly ordinary bourgeois incomes when they do succeed. They also require a certain equanimity and nimbleness of mind to keep on top of their workload. I could never do this myself.

    In re prosecutors, the few I’ve been acquainted with in office settings didn’t set off any red flags. Roberts and Wm. L. Anderson have written a great deal about prosecutorial misconduct, Roberts in the federal system and Anderson in re the State of North Carolina. You read about cases in the paper and some of them leave you stupefied. I also correspond with lawyers who do criminal defense work. One of them remarked that prosecutors don’t get much experience at trial cross-examining liars because the liars are their own witnesses.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Admit I’m biased in favor of prosecutors because one of my best friends is a prosecutor. And a few other friends are defense. And in California the system is so biased in favor of criminal defense the prosecutors are the underdogs.

    , @BLESTO-V
    @Art Deco

    I have a prosecutor story, sort of. In this case the prosecutor was a Cal. deputy attorney general, who had brought charges of unprofessional conduct against an optometrist. I caught them trying to fob off an unenforceable regulation, which conflicted directly with a statute, so I was asking for attorney's fees. Their opposition to my motion was served two days late, such that I had no opportunity to file any Reply papers. So at the hearing in Oakland I'm waiting for my case to be called, and the matter in front of me is another sole practitioner also going up against the A.G. He says to the judge, "your honor, the opposition papers were served on me two days late, and that prevented me from filing any Reply." The judge, since elevated to the Court of Appeal, says, "Aw, I can't be bothered with that - you guys work that out between yourselves." And I sat there thinking, "OK, I guess I won't bring it up."

    , @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    I've corresponded with two retired big-time prosecutors in the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office. One of them cross-examined a defendant who murdered a woman in her apartment. The defendant claimed he was in Navy boot camp in San Diego at the time.

    The defendant had left 34 fingerprints in the dead woman's apartment. Navy records showed he was not in boot camp but in the Naval Reserves living at home in South LA going to the Naval station in Santa Monica.

    The prosecutor took the defendant apart on cross-examination. The downtown LA jury found him guilty after six hours deliberation.

  229. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    I’m sure they would never lie to you either.
     
    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, "openly accepted within the legal profession."

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, “openly accepted within the legal profession.”

    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    Do you have any idea how crooked and dishonest the clients of lawyers are? Not just criminal law, but every aspect of civil commercial inheritance family law.

    Law is basically warfare. I want my tenant out. I can’t send men of my family to beat him up and deposit him in the street. Tenant wants to live in my building and not pay rent for months. He finds a legal aid lawyer who files bankruptcy for him to delay the process for months.

    Roofing contractor makes a living doing terrible jobs. Property owner sues him and reports him to various regulatory agencies instead of killing or beating him. Lawyers file and talk and a settlement is reached. Property owner uses the money to pay another roofing contractor. Or why the building inspector is your friend.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.
     
    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave's anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @vhrm, @Mr. Anon

  230. @Rob McX
    @Mr. Anon

    Yikes. This guy has to be seen to be believed. He looks exactly the sort who'd get seven shades of shit kicked out of him by the oppressed blacks he loves so much.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1405330501305573379/TYzTPf0x_400x400.jpg

    He is American, however, but in addition to writing on his home country, he also comments on UK politics, about which I assume he's equally clueless.

    https://youtu.be/LrNXeR3ZFV8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I think perhaps “Tiny Duck” has outed himself.

  231. @Alden
    @James Speaks

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Rob McX

    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why? Is it the wet concrete that starts the process before it dries? Rust doesn’t stop once it starts I think. I’m going to ask mr google why rust expands a metal object. Never knew that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Lurker
    @Rob McX

    From personal observation; it's usually rusty even when they pour the concrete. And the concrete is wet. So failure is built in as far as I can see.

    Sometimes the rebar appears to be painted/coated so I assume that buys a few extra years before the rust sets in.

    What I don't understand - why is rebar not stainless steel or galvanised? Or does that, in fact. happen but I've not heard about it.

    I've not researched this in any way, which is probably obvious!

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    If you constructed buildings only out of non-reinforced concrete you'd be back to olden (Roman?) times, Rob. Concrete is strong in compression but very weak in tension. You basically do not put it in tension. Any bending loads result in compressive stresses on one side of the neutral axis and tension stresses on the other side. You need rebar. I think I've seen coated rebar before, as Lurker points out. Stainless steel would be MUCH too expensive to use for rebar.

    I am not a CE, but I think the idea is that you can't have more rust (lots of steel has the fine coating you see on the rebar as delivered, or after a few days outside) if you don't have any O2. The problem is when cracks form and air can get to the rebar, salty air being even worse, as boat owners could tell you. Maybe composite reinforcement is the solution.

    Believe me, with what Alden speculated notwithstanding, the Civil Engineers know what they're doing. No, it's not a profession in which you can get away with lying.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Bill Jones
    @Rob McX

    I'm sure someone is working on carbon fiber re-bar. The issue is probably how to make it stick to concrete without too much processing. Iron rebar possesses a natural grain that works well.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James Speaks

  232. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     

    Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn't do a very good job.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_4_1_truthfulness_in_statements_to_others/comment_on_rule_4_1/


    Yeah, the state bar associations — i.e., other lawyers. And how vigilant do you think they are about going against their buddies? Yeah.
     
    They are very vigilant. Crooked lawyers are considered a disgrace and dealt with.

    As it happens, I was discussing just this issue today with a friend who is a retired attorney. My friend agreed that it had to be pretty egregious — such as stealing a client’s money — to get disbarred.
     
    That's only true for a first offense. Generally, no, disbarment isn't the first resort as long as you don't embezzle client's money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.

    Really, Dave, have a little bit of humility when speaking of things outside your area of expertise. (Having a friend who is a lawyer doesn't make you an expert.)


    parasitic verbalist overclass
     
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dmon, @Mr. Anon, @PhysicistDave, @Alden

    Generally speaking, lawyers don’t get disbarred for stealing a client’s money. Unless it’s over a long period of time and many clients. How to pick a good lawyer? Hmmmmmm gosh hummm

    Best bet is a referral from a lawyer you know well. Not a neighbor you’ve never said more than hello to. Findlaw is great. The lawyers have a website. You type in your problem 25 words. Then phone conversations. Your first lawsuit can be a shock whether you’re a plaintiff or defendant/respondent. It takes a long time.

    If you’re a plaintiff, realize you might be dead before you get any settlement. If you’re the respondent and some scumbag POS found some sleazy scumbag to sue you because you have money. Just tell your guy or gal don’t settle. It will take years, but eventually the plaintiff will drop the suit. It’s not expensive. Just the cost of filing a response and then years of first one phone call a month between the lawyers then every 3 months then every 6 months. Since plaintiff’s guy or gal is on contingency they eventually get tired of 10 minute conversations and want to clear the case. One last settlement offer. You refuse the offer and the case is dropped. Takes years but as President Jefferson said about the Algerian pirates.

    Millions for a defense but not one cent for a settlement. Realistically, after your response if filed, your just paying for monthly phone conversations.

    And word gets around the scumbag community that you’re not a sucker for frivolous lawsuits.

  233. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Yes, as a matter of fact both personally and professionally. Doesn't matter in this discussion, since no one knows you're a pig on the internet.

    As a rule, I'm sympathetic to rank-and-file lawyers because their income fluctuates a great deal, a great many of the newly minted among them cannot make a living at it and have to find something else to do with their life, and they're earning fairly ordinary bourgeois incomes when they do succeed. They also require a certain equanimity and nimbleness of mind to keep on top of their workload. I could never do this myself.

    In re prosecutors, the few I've been acquainted with in office settings didn't set off any red flags. Roberts and Wm. L. Anderson have written a great deal about prosecutorial misconduct, Roberts in the federal system and Anderson in re the State of North Carolina. You read about cases in the paper and some of them leave you stupefied. I also correspond with lawyers who do criminal defense work. One of them remarked that prosecutors don't get much experience at trial cross-examining liars because the liars are their own witnesses.

    Replies: @Alden, @BLESTO-V, @David In TN

    Admit I’m biased in favor of prosecutors because one of my best friends is a prosecutor. And a few other friends are defense. And in California the system is so biased in favor of criminal defense the prosecutors are the underdogs.

  234. @Rob McX
    @Alden

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why? Is it the wet concrete that starts the process before it dries? Rust doesn’t stop once it starts I think. I’m going to ask mr google why rust expands a metal object. Never knew that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Alden


    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why?
     
    Because it's been sitting in a lot or a warehouse in Florida for a few months. Any steel that's sitting outside in a humid climate is going to have a patina of rust. It shouldn't matter if it isn't exposed further. Of course it won't last forever. But I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster - subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows - but something.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  235. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Buffalo Joe

    I just looked it up. It hovers around a third. That is dismal; but I do see that it is only about half in the US in general, and only a third in the allotted time!

    This is bizarre. Your universities seem to be letting in huge numbers of people who are clearly not suitable. The stats are strong enough to be proof.

    I hate to imagine how facile the courses must be, given the inevitable pressure to increase retention rates.

    Just change the name of a High School Diploma to BSc or BA and save 90% of students the time. The ones who actually make sense in higher education will find a reason to be there.

    Who is giving these people loans?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Ed, @Art Deco

    Cheyney University in SE Pennsylvania had a 4-year graduation rate of 8% as recently as 2015. I believe they report 6 year graduation rates now. It’s a historically black university.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @JMcG

    Don’t you dare cut Cheney’s funding as a result though, that would be racist!

    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/29/group-says-cheyney-university-underfunding-is-result-of-racial-discrimination/

    Replies: @JMcG

  236. @Alden
    @James Speaks

    As I understand it, the contractors used sea water not fresh water to mix the concrete. The salt rusted the rebar beams and metal fittings and sheeting. I never thought about what kind of water is used to mix concrete for large projects. Most contractors use city water from the outdoor garden faucet. I wonder if there’s a provision about salty sea water VS fresh tap water in the city county and state building codes?

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @James Speaks, @Rob McX, @Jonathan Mason

    ItAnd how do you know this? Can you provide a link to this information?

    The reason I ask this is that everybody who has ever worked with concrete even if it is just making planters for the yard knows that you don’t use sea water for mixing concrete. Not even for concrete pillars that are going to be submerged in saltwater to support bridges.

    So it seems to me inherently I’m likely that licensed contractors in the United States would use saltwater make concrete. But I could be wrong if you can show me the evidence.

    I was in Haiti in 2010 a couple of weeks after the major earthquakes there and you could see destroyed buildings where the rebar was twisted like spaghetti, and it was apparent that insufficient rebar had been used, or that which was used was not of sufficient strength or thickness, but that is Haiti where corruption is rife. Corrupt though the United State of Florida may be, using salt water to mix concrete for a high-rise building would be an amazing act of corruption and stupidity. Or even mixing it using sand that contains salt.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    I read about the sea water it in a report by the county building department. . Sand has salt. Thanks, I never thought about that. I always assumed it was the wet concrete that started the rusting process. The rust loosens the connection between the un rusted inner rebar and the concrete. I’m still trying to understand how the rust expands the rebar, sometimes up to 4 times original size.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @J.Ross

  237. @Mike Tre
    @Desiderius

    This is one of those real Americans you must have been referring to.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You put the “real” there yourself champ. Maybe your imagination trying to tell you something.

    I just said American. Yeah, Zuck is one too. Ever consider the GAE has even more of a gun to his head than they have to ours?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, pity for poor Zuckerberg. LOL As much as you post from twitter it's not surprising to see you shilling for poor wittle Big Tech and how hard they have life. I mean, Jack probably had to shower for the first time in a few days. The horror!

    Only someone from clown world would implore sympathy for an oligarch. You're just silly.

  238. @John Johnson
    @Desiderius

    Welcome aboard, Mark. We have work to do.

    What you think that flag means anything to him?

    If that is in fact him then who the f cares. He is a small peeny globalist control freak and won't be changing anytime soon.

    This country will not be fixed by tech execs. If anything they will move towards trying to lock down the internet further as the establishment pushes them to control the great lie at any cost.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Yes, I do.

    We know a little bit about the government pushing people up in these mountains. They pull off an occasional Glencoe here and there but mostly it’s more trouble than it’s worth to mess with us. Maybe he’s thinking the same thing. Wouldn’t be the first. Or the last.

    The country won’t be fixed by tech execs but it’s unlikely to be fixed without them. Sure would be easier with them on our side than the other. Never know what’s going to happen on that Road to Damascus.

    If he cared that much he would be:

    http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

    Mountaineers don’t care much either, with similar results. Mark, when you get tired of buying elections for assholes you’re welcome to join us anytime, brother.

  239. @Just another serf
    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it. Great neighbors. Friendly, peaceful, law abiding, lovable folks. Also, their music is awesome. My second favorite after Mariachi. Great rhymes.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Negroes are the very best neighbors. They are absolutely obsessed with property maintenance; painting, cleaning, landscaping etc. I watch them do all this and I’m exhausted just watching it.

    A negro with a can of spray paint will not sleep until he has scaled a barbed wire topped fence and risked his life to tag a highway overpass with graffiti.

    The same negro would never dream in his lifetime of ever painting his house.

  240. @MrLiberty
    Who will they blame when everything has been taken, everyone else is dead, and they are STILL FAILURES??? When my wife and I first got out of college, we lived in a very small apartment and drove very old used cars. When we upgraded that apartment, we sold one of the cars and I rode by bicycle to work so we could easily afford the new apartment and have money to save. We bought economically-priced clothes and shoes, rarely ate out, had relatively low alcohol consumption, and employed other "deferments of pleasure" so that we could live within our means and even save some.

    At what point is someone going to finally stand up and speak the truth about the REAL REASONS some blacks are poor, and some whites are poor, and some Asians are poor, and some Hispanics are poor? The last guy who was brutally honest, just got released from jail on a technicality after having been prosecuted as much for his stand on black economic truths as his alleged assaults on women.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Nicholas Stix

    William H. Cosby, EdD is a prominent critic of public education.

  241. @Ralph L
    @Alden

    The "Endeavour" UK TV series had an episode where they used the wrong kind of sand in a high rise, causing it to collapse. The people behind it weren't merely cheap, they were a gang of murderous thugs (including policemen). The shark was jumped.

    Replies: @Alden

    Everyone’ s heard of famous Alcatraz prison. It only lasted about 40 years. Why?????? Too much sand in the concrete. White collar crooks built a prison for other crooks.

  242. @Desiderius
    @Mike Tre

    You put the "real" there yourself champ. Maybe your imagination trying to tell you something.

    I just said American. Yeah, Zuck is one too. Ever consider the GAE has even more of a gun to his head than they have to ours?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Yeah, pity for poor Zuckerberg. LOL As much as you post from twitter it’s not surprising to see you shilling for poor wittle Big Tech and how hard they have life. I mean, Jack probably had to shower for the first time in a few days. The horror!

    Only someone from clown world would implore sympathy for an oligarch. You’re just silly.

    • Agree: Kylie
  243. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, “openly accepted within the legal profession.”
     
    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.

    Replies: @Alden, @Rosie

    Do you have any idea how crooked and dishonest the clients of lawyers are? Not just criminal law, but every aspect of civil commercial inheritance family law.

    Law is basically warfare. I want my tenant out. I can’t send men of my family to beat him up and deposit him in the street. Tenant wants to live in my building and not pay rent for months. He finds a legal aid lawyer who files bankruptcy for him to delay the process for months.

    Roofing contractor makes a living doing terrible jobs. Property owner sues him and reports him to various regulatory agencies instead of killing or beating him. Lawyers file and talk and a settlement is reached. Property owner uses the money to pay another roofing contractor. Or why the building inspector is your friend.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Alden


    Do you have any idea how crooked and dishonest the clients of lawyers are?
     
    I'm sure a lot of them are. Now, what kind of lawyer do you think THEY would want?
  244. @additionalMike
    @kaganovitch

    That quote has an Amos'n'Andy feel to it, as in "Amos, I is going to deliver a ultomato."

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Indeed.

  245. @Anon
    OT

    Something I stumbled across flipping through Michael Levin's book:

    Sternberg (1994) also reports that the mean IQ of black females is several points higher than that of black males.
     
    referencing

    Sternberg, R. J. ed. 1994. Encyclopedia of Human Intelligence. New York: Macmillan.
     
    Sternberg seems like a progressive:

    As the accumulating evidence has made group differences harder to deny, one is apt to be told that even if they exist they do not matter. Psychologist Robert Sternberg dismisses black/white differences in intelligence with a curt “So what?” (Sternberg 1985: 244). Pursuing the issue, he says, “can only give comfort to those who would like nothing better than to hear the explicit message that blacks will have a greater handicap in the educational, occupational, and military assignments that are most highly correlated with measures of general intelligence.”
     
    And in Wikipedia:

    Sternberg has criticized IQ tests, saying they are "convenient partial operationalizations of the construct of intelligence, and nothing more. They do not provide the kind of measurement of intelligence that tape measures provide of height."
     
    Yet ...

    In 1995, he was on an American Psychological Association task force writing a consensus statement on the state of intelligence research in response to the claims being advanced amid the Bell Curve controversy, titled "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns."
     
    I haven't heard this "black women are smarter than black men" thing anywhere else.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charlotte, @Ben tillman

    operationalizations of the construct

    ???

  246. @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    ItAnd how do you know this? Can you provide a link to this information?

    The reason I ask this is that everybody who has ever worked with concrete even if it is just making planters for the yard knows that you don't use sea water for mixing concrete. Not even for concrete pillars that are going to be submerged in saltwater to support bridges.

    So it seems to me inherently I'm likely that licensed contractors in the United States would use saltwater make concrete. But I could be wrong if you can show me the evidence.

    I was in Haiti in 2010 a couple of weeks after the major earthquakes there and you could see destroyed buildings where the rebar was twisted like spaghetti, and it was apparent that insufficient rebar had been used, or that which was used was not of sufficient strength or thickness, but that is Haiti where corruption is rife. Corrupt though the United State of Florida may be, using salt water to mix concrete for a high-rise building would be an amazing act of corruption and stupidity. Or even mixing it using sand that contains salt.

    Replies: @Alden

    I read about the sea water it in a report by the county building department. . Sand has salt. Thanks, I never thought about that. I always assumed it was the wet concrete that started the rusting process. The rust loosens the connection between the un rusted inner rebar and the concrete. I’m still trying to understand how the rust expands the rebar, sometimes up to 4 times original size.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    Sand has salt.

    Perhaps you mean to say that some sands derive from decomposition of seashells, i.e. calcium carbonate?

    I just don't think that type was used for the condo's structural concrete.

    , @J.Ross
    @Alden

    I'm seeing a lot of stuff about seawater being allowed to pool for years in the parking complex but saltwater in construction would be big. Can you quote or cite the report?

  247. @Alfa158
    “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Hibernian, @Triteleia Laxa, @Prester John, @res

    Right! With “story” being the operative word of course.

  248. @Morton's toes
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Black people love to borrow money. They don't ask what is the price. They don't ask what is the total aggregate payback. They want to know if they can afford the payments.

    "How much is the notes?"

    And you wonder why jews love negroes?

    How much of the 2007 (sub-prime) mortgage crisis was loans to negroes? I am pretty sure it was closer to 50% than it was to 15%.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Possumman

    Money lenders tend to dislike people who will never pay them back.

  249. They are rebuilding sections of the interstate highway here. All the rebar is coated in bright green epoxy.

  250. @Anon
    @Hangnail Hans

    The government is getting behind a massive push for blacks and browns to go to college so it can load them up with student debt. The government has huge deficits, and it can only raise taxes so much, so they've decided they need an alterative source of revenue, namely the interest on students loans.

    The government doesn't want those smart white males who pay off their students loans in 4 years. They want dumb blacks and browns who can't manage their money to be paying it off for 40 years. The government makes a LOT more money that way by targeting idiot POCs instead of smart whites.

    The government, through student loans, has become like that nasty credit card company that targets those with bad credit by giving them high-interest-only credit cards.

    The government has become like that notorious company store that uses credit to permanently ensnare black sharecroppers in eternal debt.

    In a way, it's fitting that someone trying to crawl out of the ghetto should be forced to pay back all the welfare they parasitized off of. It's the only way the government is going to make the parasites pay anything back for those years of Section 8 and EBT cards.

    However, it means the poorer people in this country, if they want to go to college and take out loans, are in essence being double-taxed by the government if they want a job that pays anything.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    TwoEightZero, state governments can and do give away free college to mimorities. They are in fact giving away nothing when they give out tuition free (State) college to POC. Harder to give away free houses.

  251. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Yes, as a matter of fact both personally and professionally. Doesn't matter in this discussion, since no one knows you're a pig on the internet.

    As a rule, I'm sympathetic to rank-and-file lawyers because their income fluctuates a great deal, a great many of the newly minted among them cannot make a living at it and have to find something else to do with their life, and they're earning fairly ordinary bourgeois incomes when they do succeed. They also require a certain equanimity and nimbleness of mind to keep on top of their workload. I could never do this myself.

    In re prosecutors, the few I've been acquainted with in office settings didn't set off any red flags. Roberts and Wm. L. Anderson have written a great deal about prosecutorial misconduct, Roberts in the federal system and Anderson in re the State of North Carolina. You read about cases in the paper and some of them leave you stupefied. I also correspond with lawyers who do criminal defense work. One of them remarked that prosecutors don't get much experience at trial cross-examining liars because the liars are their own witnesses.

    Replies: @Alden, @BLESTO-V, @David In TN

    I have a prosecutor story, sort of. In this case the prosecutor was a Cal. deputy attorney general, who had brought charges of unprofessional conduct against an optometrist. I caught them trying to fob off an unenforceable regulation, which conflicted directly with a statute, so I was asking for attorney’s fees. Their opposition to my motion was served two days late, such that I had no opportunity to file any Reply papers. So at the hearing in Oakland I’m waiting for my case to be called, and the matter in front of me is another sole practitioner also going up against the A.G. He says to the judge, “your honor, the opposition papers were served on me two days late, and that prevented me from filing any Reply.” The judge, since elevated to the Court of Appeal, says, “Aw, I can’t be bothered with that – you guys work that out between yourselves.” And I sat there thinking, “OK, I guess I won’t bring it up.”

  252. @Alden
    @Alden

    Tony Massey I asked Art Deco if he knew any lawyers either professionally or personally. Not you.

    And that fuddy duddy ancient conservative is a conservative blowhard; completely ignoring affirmative action and anti White racism. He’s a business conservative. Low taxes and all sorts of tax payer paid incentives for small businesses run by non White immigrants. PCR is stuck in the 1950s. He’s unaware of what the government has done to Whites in the last 60 years.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Tony massey

    That disagree was akin to a butt dial. Just one of those things that happens.
    It wouldn’t have even made any sense to disagree.

  253. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The subject under discussion is not whether crooked lawyers exist, but whether crookedness is, as OP stated, “openly accepted within the legal profession.”
     
    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.

    Replies: @Alden, @Rosie

    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.

    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave’s anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Rosie


    There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.
     
    Have you read the papers in the last four years?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Rosie

    , @vhrm
    @Rosie


    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave’s anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.
     
    Lawyers, like most professionals, make their money mostly from outsiders. There is a de facto "snitches get stitches" rule because drawing attention to one lawyer's bad behavior by punishing them makes the group look weaker to outsiders. Basically it is in the interest of all lawyers to cover as much as possible for other lawyers for the good of the lawyer group.

    That the code exists doesn't speak to how much and how evenly it's enforced. It only needs to be enforced if/when it limits damage to the group; so this would be in cases that have already received bad press or in egregious cases where it's likely it would get out and it would look really bad (and thus cause loss of $$ or influence to the group) in retrospect if the person hadn't been punished. Otherwise what incentive does any lawyer have to rock the boat ?

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The code of ethics is the evidence.
     
    Sure, just as the code of ethics of car salesman that I linked to is incontrovertible evidence of their propriety. What's it going to take for me to put you into a code of ethics today?

    You are a naive fool.

    Lawyers are not stupid.
     
    You, on the otherhand................

    Replies: @Rosie

  254. @Coemgen
    @notsaying


    I was unhappy to read about this too and would support laws that attempted to prevent this.
     
    Would you support laws that attempt to prevent people from telling falsifiable lies?

    Replies: @notsaying

    Yes, I would.

    What makes you think this woman was lying?

  255. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    But the norms openly accepted within the legal profession are horrendous.
     
    You are uninformed.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

    Lying can get you disbarred.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Hibernian

    Can and does are two different things.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Hibernian


    Can and does are two different things.
     
    So what? The mere possibility of ruin is a powerful deterrent, and lying for a client is not worth the risk.

    But of you have evidence that lying is openly accepted in the legal profession, please share with the class. (NO, anecdotes about your retired lawyer friend are not evidence.)
  256. @mapman
    @vhrm


    Google’s search by image can’t find it if you just give it that original image, but if you crop out only the statue it finds it immediately ... Bing image search doesn’t find it in either way

     

    Two of our biggest tech giants can't get picture search right. In comparison, the Russian Yandex search engine finds it right away, together with several similar images of other men in the same setting.

    We are sliding into mediocrity and losing competitive edge on everything that matters.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Huh. Didn’t think to try Yandex, but you’re right that they win this one handily.

  257. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.
     
    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave's anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @vhrm, @Mr. Anon

    There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Have you read the papers in the last four years?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hibernian

    She's living in Neverneverland. Let her go.

    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren't worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    , @Rosie
    @Hibernian


    Have you read the papers in the last four years?
     
    I guess I missed all the snitches-get-stitches stories about the legal profession over the past four years. Post a link and I'll have a look.
  258. @James Speaks
    @Alden

    Here are a few references:

    After searching for standards that are part of the International Building Code (IBC), I found


    https://www.astm.org/Standards/cement-and-concrete-standards.html

     

    which led me to the American Concrete Institute (ACI) and

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete
     
    and their FAQ page. To wit:

    Title: Modeling of Parameters Affecting Physical Salt Attack of Concrete
     

    and the answer

    Technical Questions
    ACI COMMITTEES, MEMBERSHIP, AND STAFF HAVE ANSWERED COMMON QUESTIONS ON A VARIETY OF CONCRETE RELATED TOPICS.

    Q. Can you use any source of water as mixing water?

    A. Any water that is potable (drinkable) is acceptable as mixing water. Some water that is not potable may also be suitable for concrete. Tests should be performed, however, to determine if desired properties can be achieved. Acceptance criteria for mixing water are given in ASTM C94. Impurities that make water not fit for drinking may affect the setting time, strength, appearance, and resistance to degradation. Relevant tests would indicate if unacceptable performance could occur. Salt water should not be used as mixing water in steel-reinforced concrete.
     

    You wrote:

    It’s the kind of thing the people who write building codes never think of until something happens.

    I disagree.

    PS I have a degree in Science

    Replies: @Alden

    The point is not what the IBC code says about seawater concrete but what the Miami Dade County Building Code says about concrete mixing sea water with concrete. It doesn’t forbid mixing aggregate and sea water for concrete.

    Then there’s the County and City building inspectors. Inspectors aren’t on site supervising. They arrive when parts of the building are finished. And the work passes or doesn’t . They wouldn’t be watching the process of mixing the concrete. It might not be done on site. Mixed elsewhere and transported to the site. Inspectors aren’t at the supply store approving materials . They check as the work is finished.

    Building inspectors and contractors aren’t the most reliable people. Example. Town of Fairfax Ca built a school. The town inspector approved and gave the Certificate of Occupancy. But since the state education department paid for the school, it needed a state inspection. The state inspector found such shoddy work the school never opened.

    The county inspector was a well known drunk who could be paid off with a case of bourbon. It wasn’t just the school. Every other building in that town that was built during his 20 plus year tenure was a mess too. Every contractor in the county knew that if they built in his district, they could get away with anything. And they did.

    Point is, not the IBC code, but the pertinent City and County code, inspectors and contractors build and approve the buildings And the pertinent county code doesn’t forbid using sea water to mix concrete.

    In Los Angeles many inspectors, landlords and contractors in certain areas. all belong to the same ethnic group. And the inspectors don’t find problems with buildings their co ethics own or build.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Alden

    You don't know what you are talking about. Building codes will reference ASTM specs, ACI specs, PCI specs and ASCE specs and for concrete, the provisions will be referenced rather than listing the specification verbatim in the building code.

    For example, I found this at random:


    Materials used to produce concrete, concrete itself and testing thereof shall comply with the applicable standards listed in ACI 318.
     
    The American Concrete Institute, the Portland Cement Association, the American Society for Testing and Materials and the American Society of Civil Engineers - Structural Division, all write specifications and these are then used by the building code authorities. The knowledge is too specialized for any organization to do it all by themself.

    Salt water has never been allowed and it has been forbidden in all building codes.
  259. • Replies: @anon
    @Desiderius

    Funny stuff.

    That Gnon feller should get out and buy himself some prime land in Tascosa, 'cause they're not making any more of it!

    lol.

  260. @Hibernian
    @Rosie


    There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.
     
    Have you read the papers in the last four years?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Rosie

    She’s living in Neverneverland. Let her go.

    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren’t worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Desiderius


    She’s living in Neverneverland. Let her go.
     
    Lol this is so silly. No, I live in the real world where people don't go around boasting about conduct that can bring them to ruin.
    , @Rosie
    @Desiderius


    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren’t worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.
     
    What makes you think there aren't any rulers? In 2018, over 600 lawyers throughout the fifty states were disbarred, and 1300+ were suspended. How many ruined lives do you need to see before you will be satisfied that there are indeed rulers? Do you have a number in mind?

    https://www.lawyersmutualnc.com/blog/check-out-these-aba-stats-on-lawyer-discipline-nationwide

  261. • Thanks: J.Ross
  262. @Desiderius
    @Hibernian

    She's living in Neverneverland. Let her go.

    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren't worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    She’s living in Neverneverland. Let her go.

    Lol this is so silly. No, I live in the real world where people don’t go around boasting about conduct that can bring them to ruin.

  263. @JMcG
    @Wilkey

    Eoin is the Irish version of John. Sean is a jumped-up, johnny-come-lately version that came in with the Normans and their frenchified ways. It’s the Irish attempt at the French name, Jean. As in, Sean ValSean.
    The author of the non-synoptic Gospel is known as Naomh Eoin in Irish, Christianity having come to Ireland before the Normans. Naomh is the Irish word for Saint.
    Now I’ll just let myself down from this soapbox.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    It’s why we’re all here.

    • Thanks: JMcG
  264. @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    I read about the sea water it in a report by the county building department. . Sand has salt. Thanks, I never thought about that. I always assumed it was the wet concrete that started the rusting process. The rust loosens the connection between the un rusted inner rebar and the concrete. I’m still trying to understand how the rust expands the rebar, sometimes up to 4 times original size.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @J.Ross

    Sand has salt.

    Perhaps you mean to say that some sands derive from decomposition of seashells, i.e. calcium carbonate?

    I just don’t think that type was used for the condo’s structural concrete.

  265. @Desiderius
    @Hibernian

    She's living in Neverneverland. Let her go.

    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren't worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    People like Rosie and Shipwreckedcrew that go on and on about rules as if they create reality aren’t worth the time. Rules require rulers. Absent those they do nothing.

    What makes you think there aren’t any rulers? In 2018, over 600 lawyers throughout the fifty states were disbarred, and 1300+ were suspended. How many ruined lives do you need to see before you will be satisfied that there are indeed rulers? Do you have a number in mind?

    https://www.lawyersmutualnc.com/blog/check-out-these-aba-stats-on-lawyer-discipline-nationwide

  266. @Hibernian
    @Rosie


    There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.
     
    Have you read the papers in the last four years?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Rosie

    Have you read the papers in the last four years?

    I guess I missed all the snitches-get-stitches stories about the legal profession over the past four years. Post a link and I’ll have a look.

  267. vhrm says:
    @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.
     
    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave's anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @vhrm, @Mr. Anon

    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave’s anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Lawyers, like most professionals, make their money mostly from outsiders. There is a de facto “snitches get stitches” rule because drawing attention to one lawyer’s bad behavior by punishing them makes the group look weaker to outsiders. Basically it is in the interest of all lawyers to cover as much as possible for other lawyers for the good of the lawyer group.

    That the code exists doesn’t speak to how much and how evenly it’s enforced. It only needs to be enforced if/when it limits damage to the group; so this would be in cases that have already received bad press or in egregious cases where it’s likely it would get out and it would look really bad (and thus cause loss of $$ or influence to the group) in retrospect if the person hadn’t been punished. Otherwise what incentive does any lawyer have to rock the boat ?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @vhrm


    That the code exists doesn’t speak to how much and how evenly it’s enforced.
     
    So what? The claim was that lying is "openly accepted" among lawyers. That is false.

    There is a de facto “snitches get stitches” rule because drawing attention to one lawyer’s bad behavior by punishing them makes the group look weaker to outsiders.
     
    No, it doesn't. It reinforces the idea that self-regulation works and should be preserved.
  268. @Rob McX
    @Alden

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    From personal observation; it’s usually rusty even when they pour the concrete. And the concrete is wet. So failure is built in as far as I can see.

    Sometimes the rebar appears to be painted/coated so I assume that buys a few extra years before the rust sets in.

    What I don’t understand – why is rebar not stainless steel or galvanised? Or does that, in fact. happen but I’ve not heard about it.

    I’ve not researched this in any way, which is probably obvious!

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Lurker

    Stainless steel is nowhere near as strong as rebar steel. I tried replacing some of my rusty 1921 siding nails with stainless ones and bent half of them before switching to galvanized, and that was using a longer nail in the old holes.

    Replies: @Lurker

  269. @Lurker
    @Rob McX

    From personal observation; it's usually rusty even when they pour the concrete. And the concrete is wet. So failure is built in as far as I can see.

    Sometimes the rebar appears to be painted/coated so I assume that buys a few extra years before the rust sets in.

    What I don't understand - why is rebar not stainless steel or galvanised? Or does that, in fact. happen but I've not heard about it.

    I've not researched this in any way, which is probably obvious!

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Stainless steel is nowhere near as strong as rebar steel. I tried replacing some of my rusty 1921 siding nails with stainless ones and bent half of them before switching to galvanized, and that was using a longer nail in the old holes.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ralph L

    OK, thanks!

    I noticed someone else on the thread mentioned coating the rebar with epoxy. I'm sure that buys time. But I suspect not a permanent fix.

  270. @MrLiberty
    Who will they blame when everything has been taken, everyone else is dead, and they are STILL FAILURES??? When my wife and I first got out of college, we lived in a very small apartment and drove very old used cars. When we upgraded that apartment, we sold one of the cars and I rode by bicycle to work so we could easily afford the new apartment and have money to save. We bought economically-priced clothes and shoes, rarely ate out, had relatively low alcohol consumption, and employed other "deferments of pleasure" so that we could live within our means and even save some.

    At what point is someone going to finally stand up and speak the truth about the REAL REASONS some blacks are poor, and some whites are poor, and some Asians are poor, and some Hispanics are poor? The last guy who was brutally honest, just got released from jail on a technicality after having been prosecuted as much for his stand on black economic truths as his alleged assaults on women.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Nicholas Stix

    “Who will they blame when everything has been taken, everyone else is dead, and they are STILL FAILURES???”

    “The legacy of White supremacy.”

  271. @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    Do you have any idea how crooked and dishonest the clients of lawyers are? Not just criminal law, but every aspect of civil commercial inheritance family law.

    Law is basically warfare. I want my tenant out. I can’t send men of my family to beat him up and deposit him in the street. Tenant wants to live in my building and not pay rent for months. He finds a legal aid lawyer who files bankruptcy for him to delay the process for months.

    Roofing contractor makes a living doing terrible jobs. Property owner sues him and reports him to various regulatory agencies instead of killing or beating him. Lawyers file and talk and a settlement is reached. Property owner uses the money to pay another roofing contractor. Or why the building inspector is your friend.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Do you have any idea how crooked and dishonest the clients of lawyers are?

    I’m sure a lot of them are. Now, what kind of lawyer do you think THEY would want?

  272. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    Yes, and you provided no evidence that it is not, other than their professional code of ethics.
     
    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave's anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @vhrm, @Mr. Anon

    The code of ethics is the evidence.

    Sure, just as the code of ethics of car salesman that I linked to is incontrovertible evidence of their propriety. What’s it going to take for me to put you into a code of ethics today?

    You are a naive fool.

    Lawyers are not stupid.

    You, on the otherhand…………….

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon

    I'm smart enough to know a straw man when I see one.

    Here is my real position:

    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not "openly accepted" among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let's see it.


    You are a naive fool.
     
    You are a presumptuous know-it-all.

    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred. How many used car salesmen did the State Used Car Sales Associations put out of business in 2018, Mr. Anon?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  273. @Alden
    @James Speaks

    The point is not what the IBC code says about seawater concrete but what the Miami Dade County Building Code says about concrete mixing sea water with concrete. It doesn’t forbid mixing aggregate and sea water for concrete.

    Then there’s the County and City building inspectors. Inspectors aren’t on site supervising. They arrive when parts of the building are finished. And the work passes or doesn’t . They wouldn’t be watching the process of mixing the concrete. It might not be done on site. Mixed elsewhere and transported to the site. Inspectors aren’t at the supply store approving materials . They check as the work is finished.

    Building inspectors and contractors aren’t the most reliable people. Example. Town of Fairfax Ca built a school. The town inspector approved and gave the Certificate of Occupancy. But since the state education department paid for the school, it needed a state inspection. The state inspector found such shoddy work the school never opened.

    The county inspector was a well known drunk who could be paid off with a case of bourbon. It wasn’t just the school. Every other building in that town that was built during his 20 plus year tenure was a mess too. Every contractor in the county knew that if they built in his district, they could get away with anything. And they did.

    Point is, not the IBC code, but the pertinent City and County code, inspectors and contractors build and approve the buildings And the pertinent county code doesn’t forbid using sea water to mix concrete.

    In Los Angeles many inspectors, landlords and contractors in certain areas. all belong to the same ethnic group. And the inspectors don’t find problems with buildings their co ethics own or build.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    You don’t know what you are talking about. Building codes will reference ASTM specs, ACI specs, PCI specs and ASCE specs and for concrete, the provisions will be referenced rather than listing the specification verbatim in the building code.

    For example, I found this at random:

    Materials used to produce concrete, concrete itself and testing thereof shall comply with the applicable standards listed in ACI 318.

    The American Concrete Institute, the Portland Cement Association, the American Society for Testing and Materials and the American Society of Civil Engineers – Structural Division, all write specifications and these are then used by the building code authorities. The knowledge is too specialized for any organization to do it all by themself.

    Salt water has never been allowed and it has been forbidden in all building codes.

  274. @Alden
    @Rob McX

    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why? Is it the wet concrete that starts the process before it dries? Rust doesn’t stop once it starts I think. I’m going to ask mr google why rust expands a metal object. Never knew that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why?

    Because it’s been sitting in a lot or a warehouse in Florida for a few months. Any steel that’s sitting outside in a humid climate is going to have a patina of rust. It shouldn’t matter if it isn’t exposed further. Of course it won’t last forever. But I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Mr. Anon


    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.
     
    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960's and 70's. As far as I'm aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we'd have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  275. @vhrm
    @Rosie


    The code of ethics is the evidence. Lawyers are not stupid. It is absurd to assume that lawyers go around risking their livelihoods by flouting the rules, Dave’s anecdotes not withstanding. There is no snitches get stitches rule in the legal profession.
     
    Lawyers, like most professionals, make their money mostly from outsiders. There is a de facto "snitches get stitches" rule because drawing attention to one lawyer's bad behavior by punishing them makes the group look weaker to outsiders. Basically it is in the interest of all lawyers to cover as much as possible for other lawyers for the good of the lawyer group.

    That the code exists doesn't speak to how much and how evenly it's enforced. It only needs to be enforced if/when it limits damage to the group; so this would be in cases that have already received bad press or in egregious cases where it's likely it would get out and it would look really bad (and thus cause loss of $$ or influence to the group) in retrospect if the person hadn't been punished. Otherwise what incentive does any lawyer have to rock the boat ?

    Replies: @Rosie

    That the code exists doesn’t speak to how much and how evenly it’s enforced.

    So what? The claim was that lying is “openly accepted” among lawyers. That is false.

    There is a de facto “snitches get stitches” rule because drawing attention to one lawyer’s bad behavior by punishing them makes the group look weaker to outsiders.

    No, it doesn’t. It reinforces the idea that self-regulation works and should be preserved.

  276. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The code of ethics is the evidence.
     
    Sure, just as the code of ethics of car salesman that I linked to is incontrovertible evidence of their propriety. What's it going to take for me to put you into a code of ethics today?

    You are a naive fool.

    Lawyers are not stupid.
     
    You, on the otherhand................

    Replies: @Rosie

    I’m smart enough to know a straw man when I see one.

    Here is my real position:

    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not “openly accepted” among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s see it.

    You are a naive fool.

    You are a presumptuous know-it-all.

    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred. How many used car salesmen did the State Used Car Sales Associations put out of business in 2018, Mr. Anon?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not “openly accepted” among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s see it.
     
    I don't need contrary evidence. You have no evidence. The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical. And your harping on the word "openly" is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.

    You argue like a child. I guess you're a lawyer, based on your going to the mat for them. Good luck to any of your clients.


    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred.
     
    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?

    How many judges get fired for abuse of power? A lot fewer than there are judges who abuse their power.

    Replies: @Rosie

  277. @Hibernian
    @Rosie

    Can and does are two different things.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Can and does are two different things.

    So what? The mere possibility of ruin is a powerful deterrent, and lying for a client is not worth the risk.

    But of you have evidence that lying is openly accepted in the legal profession, please share with the class. (NO, anecdotes about your retired lawyer friend are not evidence.)

  278. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Buffalo Joe

    I just looked it up. It hovers around a third. That is dismal; but I do see that it is only about half in the US in general, and only a third in the allotted time!

    This is bizarre. Your universities seem to be letting in huge numbers of people who are clearly not suitable. The stats are strong enough to be proof.

    I hate to imagine how facile the courses must be, given the inevitable pressure to increase retention rates.

    Just change the name of a High School Diploma to BSc or BA and save 90% of students the time. The ones who actually make sense in higher education will find a reason to be there.

    Who is giving these people loans?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Ed, @Art Deco

    This is mostly because states want to boost high HS graduation numbers, want people to just go to to college and refuse to institute marginal standards because it will impact blacks adversely.

  279. @JMcG
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Cheyney University in SE Pennsylvania had a 4-year graduation rate of 8% as recently as 2015. I believe they report 6 year graduation rates now. It’s a historically black university.

    Replies: @Ed

    Don’t you dare cut Cheney’s funding as a result though, that would be racist!

    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/29/group-says-cheyney-university-underfunding-is-result-of-racial-discrimination/

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Ed

    The stories about Cheyney are legion. A couple of students were pimping prostitutes in one of the dorms a few years back. It’s stuck right in the middle of a pretty upscale area.
    I went into a liquor store near there a couple of years ago to pick up a bottle of Hennessy brandy for a visiting relative. There was none on the shelf. When I asked the lady behind the counter if they had any in stock, I got the classic response: She looked both ways, cupped her hand around her mouth, and whispered “We have to keep it behind the counter or the kids from Cheyney steal it all.”

    Replies: @Barnard

  280. @Anon
    @Anon


    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation.

    What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?
     
    I've stumbled across a couple of Mormon family YouTuber channels, basically reality shows on YouTube following family activities of Mormon families with a lot of kids. They live in obscenely huge houses. It's hard to figure out they afford them, given the jobs that the parents supposedly do. YouTube income can't be that much, can it?

    So I assume the the houses are just much cheaper than I imagine, but they are build in a very white community in Utah. That's it. Add more blacks and all of a sudden the housing economic dynamics would change drastically. And these families need cheap houses because they also need to buy buslike vehicles to carry a dozen or more people.

    Replies: @InnerCynic, @Bill Jones

    They live in places that are rather “un-hip” for folks who like lots of entertainment and the “conveniences”. That all comes at a cost… namely family.

  281. @Rob McX
    @Alden

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    If you constructed buildings only out of non-reinforced concrete you’d be back to olden (Roman?) times, Rob. Concrete is strong in compression but very weak in tension. You basically do not put it in tension. Any bending loads result in compressive stresses on one side of the neutral axis and tension stresses on the other side. You need rebar. I think I’ve seen coated rebar before, as Lurker points out. Stainless steel would be MUCH too expensive to use for rebar.

    I am not a CE, but I think the idea is that you can’t have more rust (lots of steel has the fine coating you see on the rebar as delivered, or after a few days outside) if you don’t have any O2. The problem is when cracks form and air can get to the rebar, salty air being even worse, as boat owners could tell you. Maybe composite reinforcement is the solution.

    Believe me, with what Alden speculated notwithstanding, the Civil Engineers know what they’re doing. No, it’s not a profession in which you can get away with lying.

    • Agree: James Speaks
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could. There’s plenty more to come. I recently met a young man who claimed to have, and was hired on the basis of having, an undergraduate degree in physics. He couldn’t tell me what the derivative of velocity is.
    Now, he obviously wasn’t hired as a physicist, but a STEM degree was required for the position he filled.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @James Speaks

  282. @Alden
    @ThreeCranes

    I’m somewhat experienced in some aspects of real property including construction and major major maintenance.

    Those $25,000 houses are unlivable . I’ve seen some although they were priced a lot more. The houses are a shell. The outer walls are intact. And often newly painted. But those houses need to be completely rebuilt. Completely new plumbing, electrical, floors, interior walls and of course completely new kitchens and bathrooms and always new roofs, often new foundations. Plus if it’s an old house, you’ll find some horrific and damaging remodeling and repairs done by incompetent homeowners over the years.

    What the buyers get is a shell that needs completele rebuilding. Which is always more complicated than building a new house.

    What the buyers actually get is a lot worth $25,000 with a derelict house and a say $200,000 mortgage to completely rebuild it.

    And the first time home owner who barely knows a hammer from a nail gun is left to deal with contractors of varying skill and honesty.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Nicholas Stix

    Are said houses in places like Detroit and Flint?

  283. @Rob McX
    @Alden

    Being able to construct a building without any rebar (like the Pantheon) would be best of all. The steel is likely to rust in the long run anyway, and this causes it to expand and split the concrete.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lurker, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    I’m sure someone is working on carbon fiber re-bar. The issue is probably how to make it stick to concrete without too much processing. Iron rebar possesses a natural grain that works well.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bill Jones

    I assume you mean the actual surface, Bill, not the hatching. Obviously that cross-hatching is manufactured in during (rolling, extrusion, I dunno) and does a great job in making a larger and more normal-surfaced contact area (more perpendicular to the loads being transferred, I mean). I suppose the trick is in manufacturing that hatching cheaply in a composite material.

    Of course, reinforced concrete is already THE original composite material, when it comes down to it.

    , @James Speaks
    @Bill Jones

    What they're working on is surface application of a material that is strong in tension (examples would be carbon fibers and kevlar) bonded to the surface with epoxy. This, by the way, might well have saved the Surfside condo tower.

  284. @Anon
    @Anon


    The reason white housing is expensive is because whites are looking for enclaves where they can be protected from black criminal predation.

    What would you rather pay? 50K for nice house, or a million for the same house?
     
    I've stumbled across a couple of Mormon family YouTuber channels, basically reality shows on YouTube following family activities of Mormon families with a lot of kids. They live in obscenely huge houses. It's hard to figure out they afford them, given the jobs that the parents supposedly do. YouTube income can't be that much, can it?

    So I assume the the houses are just much cheaper than I imagine, but they are build in a very white community in Utah. That's it. Add more blacks and all of a sudden the housing economic dynamics would change drastically. And these families need cheap houses because they also need to buy buslike vehicles to carry a dozen or more people.

    Replies: @InnerCynic, @Bill Jones

    My wife is one of eight kids. Her parents managed well without obscene income. The old house in Severna Park MD is more valuable for the lot than the building. Vehicle of choice was a Chevy Suburban.
    None of the kids felt deprived, but perhaps tellingly, at Thanksgiving I count more Degrees than grand-kids.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Bill Jones

    Many such cases.

    On the other hand my grandparents who met in grad school are going on 100 descendants, many with no degrees at all (and not noticeably missing them).

    The other side yeah barren degrees galore.

    , @Anon
    @Bill Jones

    The Washington Post in 2016 profiled a family with 13 honest-to-goodness, vagina-delivered, non-adopted kids in Maryland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/13-kids-13-college-educations-not-rich-retiring-early/2016/08/08/3abe7cec-38b4-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

    The dad has blogged in more detail on the precise mechanics of balancing a budget with such a big family:

    https://www.madfientist.com/how-to-retire-early-with-13-kids/

    The mom is stay at home, dad works a software testing job (used to own a bookstore) and supplements it with whatever, including lawn mowing. They are Catholic and part of a close community. The community helps out a bit by giving them dibs on stuff that would otherwise be discarded. The kids are sort of on their own for college, getting automobiles, etc., and they find jobs as soon as they can work. The kids seem well adjusted and well cared for. The parents are managing to build retirement savings. The blog shows their specific budget (dad was active in the frugality movement on the web, so he has posted a lot of details on their life).

  285. Carbon fiber is still very expensive and may be too brittle.

  286. @Rob McX
    @Desiderius

    Unfortunately, I don't see any sharks nearby.

    Replies: @Liza

    Unfortunately, I don’t see any sharks nearby.

    He is the shark.

  287. @Bill Jones
    @Rob McX

    I'm sure someone is working on carbon fiber re-bar. The issue is probably how to make it stick to concrete without too much processing. Iron rebar possesses a natural grain that works well.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James Speaks

    I assume you mean the actual surface, Bill, not the hatching. Obviously that cross-hatching is manufactured in during (rolling, extrusion, I dunno) and does a great job in making a larger and more normal-surfaced contact area (more perpendicular to the loads being transferred, I mean). I suppose the trick is in manufacturing that hatching cheaply in a composite material.

    Of course, reinforced concrete is already THE original composite material, when it comes down to it.

  288. • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Desiderius

    The libertarian position is a_p_e, not which political faction should control what aspect of the schools. If the government would get completely out of the education business, we'd have school choice (and a lot less government).

    The state dictates curriculum and about a zillion other aspects of public education. (I enjoy watching this whole, political conservative brouhaha over CRT instruction in public schools; they've apparently surrendered on sekz-ed.) It's pointless to recall school board members.

    Oh, and abolish public unions.

  289. @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    My wife is one of eight kids. Her parents managed well without obscene income. The old house in Severna Park MD is more valuable for the lot than the building. Vehicle of choice was a Chevy Suburban.
    None of the kids felt deprived, but perhaps tellingly, at Thanksgiving I count more Degrees than grand-kids.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anon

    Many such cases.

    On the other hand my grandparents who met in grad school are going on 100 descendants, many with no degrees at all (and not noticeably missing them).

    The other side yeah barren degrees galore.

  290. Compared to the looting R senators are already doing for their donors and the military brass they undersee what’s a few billion for BLM?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Desiderius

    After what we did to their country, I think the Afghanis deserve a few pickups.

    I admire your use of the word “undersee”; perfectly chosen.
    I’ll be very interested to see what the polling shows has happened to the image of the military in this country these last few years.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  291. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/1412219699245445121?s=20

    Replies: @anon

    Funny stuff.

    That Gnon feller should get out and buy himself some prime land in Tascosa, ’cause they’re not making any more of it!

    lol.

  292. @Bill Jones
    @Rob McX

    I'm sure someone is working on carbon fiber re-bar. The issue is probably how to make it stick to concrete without too much processing. Iron rebar possesses a natural grain that works well.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James Speaks

    What they’re working on is surface application of a material that is strong in tension (examples would be carbon fibers and kevlar) bonded to the surface with epoxy. This, by the way, might well have saved the Surfside condo tower.

  293. … Some financial institutions may have policies which take into consideration a borrower’s census tract or zip code, which, due to racist practices like redlining, can have a discriminatory effect. This is one of the practices the Fair Lending for All Act hopes to curtail, making it clear that it is unlawful to discriminate based on census tract or zip code.

    After all, who ever believed that the the three most important factors in real estate are location, location, and location?

    I didn’t get this at first since it’s (I assume) intentionally muddled, but is the idea that a lender would be more likely to deny a loan in a certain zip code, where the lender anticipates declining values in that zip code and a consequent reduction in the value of its security?

    I’ve really never understood the “redlining” complaint (probably because it was popularized by Tennessee Coates who was hopping mad about it but doesn’t understand it either).

  294. JMcG says:
    @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1412239839060238338?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Wilkmaster/status/1412047601738911744?s=20

    Compared to the looting R senators are already doing for their donors and the military brass they undersee what’s a few billion for BLM?

    Replies: @JMcG

    After what we did to their country, I think the Afghanis deserve a few pickups.

    I admire your use of the word “undersee”; perfectly chosen.
    I’ll be very interested to see what the polling shows has happened to the image of the military in this country these last few years.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    We didn't do anything to their country except eject a criminal gang.

    Replies: @JMcG

  295. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/miguel_nagib/status/1412341475279577097?s=20

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    The libertarian position is a_p_e, not which political faction should control what aspect of the schools. If the government would get completely out of the education business, we’d have school choice (and a lot less government).

    The state dictates curriculum and about a zillion other aspects of public education. (I enjoy watching this whole, political conservative brouhaha over CRT instruction in public schools; they’ve apparently surrendered on sekz-ed.) It’s pointless to recall school board members.

    Oh, and abolish public unions.

  296. JMcG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    If you constructed buildings only out of non-reinforced concrete you'd be back to olden (Roman?) times, Rob. Concrete is strong in compression but very weak in tension. You basically do not put it in tension. Any bending loads result in compressive stresses on one side of the neutral axis and tension stresses on the other side. You need rebar. I think I've seen coated rebar before, as Lurker points out. Stainless steel would be MUCH too expensive to use for rebar.

    I am not a CE, but I think the idea is that you can't have more rust (lots of steel has the fine coating you see on the rebar as delivered, or after a few days outside) if you don't have any O2. The problem is when cracks form and air can get to the rebar, salty air being even worse, as boat owners could tell you. Maybe composite reinforcement is the solution.

    Believe me, with what Alden speculated notwithstanding, the Civil Engineers know what they're doing. No, it's not a profession in which you can get away with lying.

    Replies: @JMcG

    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could. There’s plenty more to come. I recently met a young man who claimed to have, and was hired on the basis of having, an undergraduate degree in physics. He couldn’t tell me what the derivative of velocity is.
    Now, he obviously wasn’t hired as a physicist, but a STEM degree was required for the position he filled.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @JMcG

    I oppose Sleepy's "infrastructure" (trade union patronage) plan, though of course I haven't read it. Nonetheless I've become very concerned about the prospect of highway overpass collapses.

    At least I live in an area with an overall dry climate, a short rainy season, and not much snow (road salt). The few overpasses around here are young.

    I figure the northeast and rust belt regions will serve as my early warning system.

    , @James Speaks
    @JMcG


    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could.
     
    The people who died in the pedestrian bridge collapse are ... wait for it ... dead. The minority female pseudo-engineer did not "get away with it."

    On the other hand, non-engineer managers who stipulate unsound practices such as mandating placement of unqualified by any criteria other than the presence of melanin and/or a vagina do get away with it. It is only when Ms. Unqualified fucks up that the consequences become apparent. This is why the NSPE code of ethics forbids having a non-engineers supervise engineers. In Dilbert's world, the consequences are bad humor. In critical disciplines, death happens.

    Now let's put this to rest so I can get back to (verbal) negro bashing.

  297. JMcG says:
    @Ed
    @JMcG

    Don’t you dare cut Cheney’s funding as a result though, that would be racist!

    https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/10/29/group-says-cheyney-university-underfunding-is-result-of-racial-discrimination/

    Replies: @JMcG

    The stories about Cheyney are legion. A couple of students were pimping prostitutes in one of the dorms a few years back. It’s stuck right in the middle of a pretty upscale area.
    I went into a liquor store near there a couple of years ago to pick up a bottle of Hennessy brandy for a visiting relative. There was none on the shelf. When I asked the lady behind the counter if they had any in stock, I got the classic response: She looked both ways, cupped her hand around her mouth, and whispered “We have to keep it behind the counter or the kids from Cheyney steal it all.”

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @JMcG

    A few years ago after reading an article about Cheyney, I went looking for information on how many students graduated each year. It was almost impossible to find. They had their commencement online this year, but you have to have an invitation to view the video. I found a few other HBCUs that routinely had graduating classes smaller than 20. Some were in high single digits. It would benefit blacks if most of these schools were closed.

    Replies: @Ed, @AceDeuce

  298. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon

    I'm smart enough to know a straw man when I see one.

    Here is my real position:

    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not "openly accepted" among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let's see it.


    You are a naive fool.
     
    You are a presumptuous know-it-all.

    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred. How many used car salesmen did the State Used Car Sales Associations put out of business in 2018, Mr. Anon?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not “openly accepted” among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s see it.

    I don’t need contrary evidence. You have no evidence. The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical. And your harping on the word “openly” is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.

    You argue like a child. I guess you’re a lawyer, based on your going to the mat for them. Good luck to any of your clients.

    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred.

    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?

    How many judges get fired for abuse of power? A lot fewer than there are judges who abuse their power.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical.
     
    I didn't say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.

    Do you know how many people smoke cigarettes in the U.S. How about marijuana? The figures are about 14% and 12% respectively. When was the last time you saw a person light up a cigarette in public? A joint?

    This is not complicated. Law and culture influence each other.

    And your harping on the word “openly” is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.
     
    But that was precisely the initial claim that I disputed! PhysicistDave said that lying is "openly accepted" among lawyers. You started running your mouth without paying attention to what the debate was about and made a fool of yourself. Your problem, not mine.

    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?
     
    So I guess the State Used Car Sales Associations did not in fact sanction anyone in 2018.

    I don't know how many crooked lawyers there are who didn't get disbarred. How could anyone possibly know that? I'm sure there are some, and some of them are likely to wind up in next year's group of disbarred lawyers, or the year after that, or the year after that...

    Now, again, if you have some evidence of a culture of lying and/or impunity in the legal profession, let's see it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  299. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Buffalo Joe

    I just looked it up. It hovers around a third. That is dismal; but I do see that it is only about half in the US in general, and only a third in the allotted time!

    This is bizarre. Your universities seem to be letting in huge numbers of people who are clearly not suitable. The stats are strong enough to be proof.

    I hate to imagine how facile the courses must be, given the inevitable pressure to increase retention rates.

    Just change the name of a High School Diploma to BSc or BA and save 90% of students the time. The ones who actually make sense in higher education will find a reason to be there.

    Who is giving these people loans?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Ed, @Art Deco

    Students have distended programs, so the four-year completion rate is misleading. The ratio of diplomas issued to freshman matriculation suggests that about 40% of the students at HBCUs are not college material even in re the standards applied by that set of institutions. Institutional mergers, closures, and special bond issues to add to their endowment so they can meet their fixed costs should be the order of the day.

    In the case of the Pennsylvania public systems, the solution is right there, and that’s just to transfer some of the students and employees to Lincoln University and sell the Cheyney campus to real estate developers. (Even one black college in a state that has no history of Jim Crow seems odd). West Virginia also has two black colleges, even though the state has only about 70,000 blacks. Delaware has a black college, even though it has only about 180,000 blacks.

  300. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me:



    [Dave] The page you link to forbids lawyers from lying to the court.

    That page says nothing about lying to the other side or to the lawyer’s own client, which is what I referred to.
     
    [Rosie[ Did they teach you the Rules of Professional Conduct in physicist school, Dave? If so, they didn’t do a very good job.
     
    They didn't seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?

    What I said was true: the page youy linked to referred to lying to a court, whereas what I had posted aboutr was lying to clients.

    I guess you are just too stupid -- or crooked -- to grasp that.

    Or both.

    Typical lawyer.

    Rosie also wrote:

    Generally, no, disbarment isn’t the first resort as long as you don’t embezzle client’s money. Discipline is progressive, and may start with a written reprimand, onto a suspension, etc.
     
    Exactly. Does the swindled client no good at all, does it?

    Typical.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    They didn’t seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?

    I guess you are just too stupid — or crooked — to grasp that…Or both…Typical lawyer.

    Oh look, PharmacistDave is being an asshole and calling people names on the internet again. Typical boomer narcissist. The world will be better when you’re dead.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    Oh look, PharmacistDave is being an asshole and calling people names on the internet again. Typical boomer narcissist. The world will be better when you’re dead.
     
    It's "PhysicistDave". I don't know if you were trying to be humorous, or if you're just stupid. Or perhaps your sense of humor is just stupid.

    Did he say something incorrect? He said that a lot of lawyers are crooked? Do you maintain that there are not crooked lawyers? Even, perhaps, a lot of them? Any particular reason you feel the need to white-knight for the shrill and unpleasant commenter "Rosie"?
  301. @Anon
    OT

    Something I stumbled across flipping through Michael Levin's book:

    Sternberg (1994) also reports that the mean IQ of black females is several points higher than that of black males.
     
    referencing

    Sternberg, R. J. ed. 1994. Encyclopedia of Human Intelligence. New York: Macmillan.
     
    Sternberg seems like a progressive:

    As the accumulating evidence has made group differences harder to deny, one is apt to be told that even if they exist they do not matter. Psychologist Robert Sternberg dismisses black/white differences in intelligence with a curt “So what?” (Sternberg 1985: 244). Pursuing the issue, he says, “can only give comfort to those who would like nothing better than to hear the explicit message that blacks will have a greater handicap in the educational, occupational, and military assignments that are most highly correlated with measures of general intelligence.”
     
    And in Wikipedia:

    Sternberg has criticized IQ tests, saying they are "convenient partial operationalizations of the construct of intelligence, and nothing more. They do not provide the kind of measurement of intelligence that tape measures provide of height."
     
    Yet ...

    In 1995, he was on an American Psychological Association task force writing a consensus statement on the state of intelligence research in response to the claims being advanced amid the Bell Curve controversy, titled "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns."
     
    I haven't heard this "black women are smarter than black men" thing anywhere else.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charlotte, @Ben tillman

    I’ve seen that finding discussed somewhere on Unz—I think on James Thompson’s blog. It doesn’t seem to fit with most IQ research.

  302. @Mr. Anon
    @Alden


    I’ve noticed that. All exposed rebar is rusted. Why?
     
    Because it's been sitting in a lot or a warehouse in Florida for a few months. Any steel that's sitting outside in a humid climate is going to have a patina of rust. It shouldn't matter if it isn't exposed further. Of course it won't last forever. But I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster - subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows - but something.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.

    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960’s and 70’s. As far as I’m aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we’d have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @William Badwhite



    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.
     
    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960’s and 70’s. As far as I’m aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we’d have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

     

    I'd be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.

    The kind of municipal corruption endemic during that period could not have only had negative effects in the most obvious manner (cops on the take). If, as it is said, the real estate development boom was motivated in substantial part as a means to launder drug profits into legitimate assets and cash, what are the odds that municipal building inspectors were paid to look the other way, or that the concrete companies weren't fronts for organized crime to bid rig on all of the big jobs and deliver substandard work?

    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I'm not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building's useful life. "Sorry, the building's old and we have to blow it up and start over" doesn't seem like a likely outcome with dozens to hundreds of unit owners with a substantial financial stake in the place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

  303. @William Badwhite
    @Mr. Anon


    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.
     
    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960's and 70's. As far as I'm aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we'd have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.

    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960’s and 70’s. As far as I’m aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we’d have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

    I’d be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.

    The kind of municipal corruption endemic during that period could not have only had negative effects in the most obvious manner (cops on the take). If, as it is said, the real estate development boom was motivated in substantial part as a means to launder drug profits into legitimate assets and cash, what are the odds that municipal building inspectors were paid to look the other way, or that the concrete companies weren’t fronts for organized crime to bid rig on all of the big jobs and deliver substandard work?

    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I’m not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building’s useful life. “Sorry, the building’s old and we have to blow it up and start over” doesn’t seem like a likely outcome with dozens to hundreds of unit owners with a substantial financial stake in the place.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The drug trade is a tiny fraction of the overall economy, the real estate business a large fraction.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    I’d be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.
     
    Yes, the corruption in Miami (and Dade County) in those days must have been eye-popping. Some developer throwing up a cheap condo, knowing it might collapse in 20, 30, 40 years? He'd be gone, the money pocketed, the corporation that built it unwound. What (other than morality) would stop him? And we still may find that corruption contributed to this.

    Yet this collapse was (as far as I know) the only one. It could be that making a stable condo isn’t much more difficult than making an unstable one. I defer to the various engineers and developers on here.

    My point was more that there are condos all over Florida - the Gulf Coast from Marco Island well up past Tampa has lots. On the Atlantic coast, Broward and Palm Beach counties are full of them, the whole space coast from Vero Beach on up, Daytona, parts of Jacksonville. It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.


    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I’m not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building’s useful life.
     
    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  304. @JMcG
    @Desiderius

    After what we did to their country, I think the Afghanis deserve a few pickups.

    I admire your use of the word “undersee”; perfectly chosen.
    I’ll be very interested to see what the polling shows has happened to the image of the military in this country these last few years.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    We didn’t do anything to their country except eject a criminal gang.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art, I disagree. We replaced one criminal gang with another. We flooded the place with money and opportunities for graft. We killed thousands who had no truck with anything outside their valley. And now, the original criminal gang is right back in place.

  305. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @William Badwhite



    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.
     
    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960’s and 70’s. As far as I’m aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we’d have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

     

    I'd be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.

    The kind of municipal corruption endemic during that period could not have only had negative effects in the most obvious manner (cops on the take). If, as it is said, the real estate development boom was motivated in substantial part as a means to launder drug profits into legitimate assets and cash, what are the odds that municipal building inspectors were paid to look the other way, or that the concrete companies weren't fronts for organized crime to bid rig on all of the big jobs and deliver substandard work?

    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I'm not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building's useful life. "Sorry, the building's old and we have to blow it up and start over" doesn't seem like a likely outcome with dozens to hundreds of unit owners with a substantial financial stake in the place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    The drug trade is a tiny fraction of the overall economy, the real estate business a large fraction.

  306. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    The Rules of Professional Conduct are prima facie evidence that lying is not “openly accepted” among lawyers. If you have evidence to the contrary, let’s see it.
     
    I don't need contrary evidence. You have no evidence. The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical. And your harping on the word "openly" is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.

    You argue like a child. I guess you're a lawyer, based on your going to the mat for them. Good luck to any of your clients.


    In 2018, 600+ lawyers were disbarred.
     
    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?

    How many judges get fired for abuse of power? A lot fewer than there are judges who abuse their power.

    Replies: @Rosie

    The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical.

    I didn’t say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.

    Do you know how many people smoke cigarettes in the U.S. How about marijuana? The figures are about 14% and 12% respectively. When was the last time you saw a person light up a cigarette in public? A joint?

    This is not complicated. Law and culture influence each other.

    And your harping on the word “openly” is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.

    But that was precisely the initial claim that I disputed! PhysicistDave said that lying is “openly accepted” among lawyers. You started running your mouth without paying attention to what the debate was about and made a fool of yourself. Your problem, not mine.

    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?

    So I guess the State Used Car Sales Associations did not in fact sanction anyone in 2018.

    I don’t know how many crooked lawyers there are who didn’t get disbarred. How could anyone possibly know that? I’m sure there are some, and some of them are likely to wind up in next year’s group of disbarred lawyers, or the year after that, or the year after that…

    Now, again, if you have some evidence of a culture of lying and/or impunity in the legal profession, let’s see it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    I didn’t say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.
     
    A thing can be "open" without being explicit. As I said before, you argue like a child. You're like one of those people who stand on a dias at a high-school graduation and opens her valedictory speech with "The dictionary defines (hope, perseverance, whatever) as...........". You seem to have a child's understanding of the World.

    Replies: @Rosie

  307. @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave


    They didn’t seem to teach you how to read in law school, did they?
     


    I guess you are just too stupid — or crooked — to grasp that...Or both...Typical lawyer.
     
    Oh look, PharmacistDave is being an asshole and calling people names on the internet again. Typical boomer narcissist. The world will be better when you're dead.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Oh look, PharmacistDave is being an asshole and calling people names on the internet again. Typical boomer narcissist. The world will be better when you’re dead.

    It’s “PhysicistDave”. I don’t know if you were trying to be humorous, or if you’re just stupid. Or perhaps your sense of humor is just stupid.

    Did he say something incorrect? He said that a lot of lawyers are crooked? Do you maintain that there are not crooked lawyers? Even, perhaps, a lot of them? Any particular reason you feel the need to white-knight for the shrill and unpleasant commenter “Rosie”?

  308. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    The existence of a code saying you must be ethical is not evidence that people abide by said code and are ethical.
     
    I didn't say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.

    Do you know how many people smoke cigarettes in the U.S. How about marijuana? The figures are about 14% and 12% respectively. When was the last time you saw a person light up a cigarette in public? A joint?

    This is not complicated. Law and culture influence each other.

    And your harping on the word “openly” is very lawyerly of you, but does not impress anyone else.
     
    But that was precisely the initial claim that I disputed! PhysicistDave said that lying is "openly accepted" among lawyers. You started running your mouth without paying attention to what the debate was about and made a fool of yourself. Your problem, not mine.

    And how many crooked lawyers were not disbarred?
     
    So I guess the State Used Car Sales Associations did not in fact sanction anyone in 2018.

    I don't know how many crooked lawyers there are who didn't get disbarred. How could anyone possibly know that? I'm sure there are some, and some of them are likely to wind up in next year's group of disbarred lawyers, or the year after that, or the year after that...

    Now, again, if you have some evidence of a culture of lying and/or impunity in the legal profession, let's see it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I didn’t say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.

    A thing can be “open” without being explicit. As I said before, you argue like a child. You’re like one of those people who stand on a dias at a high-school graduation and opens her valedictory speech with “The dictionary defines (hope, perseverance, whatever) as………..”. You seem to have a child’s understanding of the World.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    A thing can be “open” without being explicit.
     
    Why don't you stop dog-paddling and acknowledge your error?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  309. @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could. There’s plenty more to come. I recently met a young man who claimed to have, and was hired on the basis of having, an undergraduate degree in physics. He couldn’t tell me what the derivative of velocity is.
    Now, he obviously wasn’t hired as a physicist, but a STEM degree was required for the position he filled.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @James Speaks

    I oppose Sleepy’s “infrastructure” (trade union patronage) plan, though of course I haven’t read it. Nonetheless I’ve become very concerned about the prospect of highway overpass collapses.

    At least I live in an area with an overall dry climate, a short rainy season, and not much snow (road salt). The few overpasses around here are young.

    I figure the northeast and rust belt regions will serve as my early warning system.

  310. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @William Badwhite



    I suspect there was something more at work in the Surfside disaster – subsidance, corner-cuting, who knows – but something.
     
    Agree. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of condo buildings in Florida. Many date to the 1960’s and 70’s. As far as I’m aware this is the only incident of a building collapsing like this.

    If it were a simple matter of rebar steel sitting outside and developing rust, or the wrong sand in the concrete, we’d have this happening more often. There is something unique about this building.

     

    I'd be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.

    The kind of municipal corruption endemic during that period could not have only had negative effects in the most obvious manner (cops on the take). If, as it is said, the real estate development boom was motivated in substantial part as a means to launder drug profits into legitimate assets and cash, what are the odds that municipal building inspectors were paid to look the other way, or that the concrete companies weren't fronts for organized crime to bid rig on all of the big jobs and deliver substandard work?

    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I'm not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building's useful life. "Sorry, the building's old and we have to blow it up and start over" doesn't seem like a likely outcome with dozens to hundreds of unit owners with a substantial financial stake in the place.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @William Badwhite

    I’d be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.

    Yes, the corruption in Miami (and Dade County) in those days must have been eye-popping. Some developer throwing up a cheap condo, knowing it might collapse in 20, 30, 40 years? He’d be gone, the money pocketed, the corporation that built it unwound. What (other than morality) would stop him? And we still may find that corruption contributed to this.

    Yet this collapse was (as far as I know) the only one. It could be that making a stable condo isn’t much more difficult than making an unstable one. I defer to the various engineers and developers on here.

    My point was more that there are condos all over Florida – the Gulf Coast from Marco Island well up past Tampa has lots. On the Atlantic coast, Broward and Palm Beach counties are full of them, the whole space coast from Vero Beach on up, Daytona, parts of Jacksonville. It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.

    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I’m not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building’s useful life.

    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @William Badwhite

    It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.

    In wet environments, corrosion is to be expected. Competent, proactive associations/boards keep after it. If grossly neglected maintenance were the rule, we would see more collapses.

    The Legal State will mandate that every private, FL tower, built before ~Y2K, receives a regular, thorough, "credentialed" inspection with zero tolerance for structural issues. A bull market in HOA liens.

    However, maintenance of public bridges will continue to be postponed (in order to fund salaries/PERS for bureaucrats). One spectacular failure will open the "crisis spending" vein.

    The schoolies will hit-up taxpayers for bonds to pay for the $20M, average cost of structural improvements to high school buildings.

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @William Badwhite


    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?
     
    It would be something of an issue, but in cases other than a condominium there is generally a single owner with responsibility over the maintenance and capital improvements who will have gotten some reasonable measure of economic value out of the building over its service life.

    In a condominium, the responsibility is diffused over dozens to hundreds of unit owners of various means and motivations. How do you convince someone who sunk the majority of his net worth into a condo unit three years ago as his primary residence that it is time to bite the bullet and demolish the whole thing? I doubt that ever happens unless and until the municipal government litigates the issue (i.e. the structure must be demolished because it is a hazard to human life) and prevails.
  311. @Mr. Anon

    America’s housing market is racist. Congress could easily help fix it if they wanted to.

    [email protected] (Skylar Baker-Jordan) 6 days ago
     

    As a rule, I make it a point not to pay attention to anything said by anyone named "Skylar", especially if that person is ostensibly a man who also has a hypenated surname. I see no reason to change that rule in this case.

    This guy is some whiney, pudgy gay millenial Limey who writes about America. It's amazing how many Brits think they are experts on America. They aren't (with a few exceptions, like Mr. Derbyshire).

    Replies: @Alden, @Rob McX, @Ben tillman

    Lurker and LondonBob are well-informed.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Ben tillman

    Thanks mate!

    Replies: @ben tillman

  312. @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    We didn't do anything to their country except eject a criminal gang.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Art, I disagree. We replaced one criminal gang with another. We flooded the place with money and opportunities for graft. We killed thousands who had no truck with anything outside their valley. And now, the original criminal gang is right back in place.

  313. @Anon
    OT

    Something I stumbled across flipping through Michael Levin's book:

    Sternberg (1994) also reports that the mean IQ of black females is several points higher than that of black males.
     
    referencing

    Sternberg, R. J. ed. 1994. Encyclopedia of Human Intelligence. New York: Macmillan.
     
    Sternberg seems like a progressive:

    As the accumulating evidence has made group differences harder to deny, one is apt to be told that even if they exist they do not matter. Psychologist Robert Sternberg dismisses black/white differences in intelligence with a curt “So what?” (Sternberg 1985: 244). Pursuing the issue, he says, “can only give comfort to those who would like nothing better than to hear the explicit message that blacks will have a greater handicap in the educational, occupational, and military assignments that are most highly correlated with measures of general intelligence.”
     
    And in Wikipedia:

    Sternberg has criticized IQ tests, saying they are "convenient partial operationalizations of the construct of intelligence, and nothing more. They do not provide the kind of measurement of intelligence that tape measures provide of height."
     
    Yet ...

    In 1995, he was on an American Psychological Association task force writing a consensus statement on the state of intelligence research in response to the claims being advanced amid the Bell Curve controversy, titled "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns."
     
    I haven't heard this "black women are smarter than black men" thing anywhere else.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charlotte, @Ben tillman

    I heard it from Harry Belafonte decades ago.

  314. @Morton's toes
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Black people love to borrow money. They don't ask what is the price. They don't ask what is the total aggregate payback. They want to know if they can afford the payments.

    "How much is the notes?"

    And you wonder why jews love negroes?

    How much of the 2007 (sub-prime) mortgage crisis was loans to negroes? I am pretty sure it was closer to 50% than it was to 15%.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Possumman

    I sold land Rovers and Cadillacs for a bit while in between jobs—had an NFL player come in to buy a Range Rover—the F&I guy couldn’t get him bought anywhere his credit was so dirty–and we had some credit options that would really hit you in the head–they put a mirror under your nose and if you fogged it you got bought

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Possumman

    I was going to ask how an NFL player doesn’t have the cash to buy a Land Rover, but I stopped myself. Maybe Truth has an answer to this conundrum.

  315. @William Badwhite
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    I’d be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.
     
    Yes, the corruption in Miami (and Dade County) in those days must have been eye-popping. Some developer throwing up a cheap condo, knowing it might collapse in 20, 30, 40 years? He'd be gone, the money pocketed, the corporation that built it unwound. What (other than morality) would stop him? And we still may find that corruption contributed to this.

    Yet this collapse was (as far as I know) the only one. It could be that making a stable condo isn’t much more difficult than making an unstable one. I defer to the various engineers and developers on here.

    My point was more that there are condos all over Florida - the Gulf Coast from Marco Island well up past Tampa has lots. On the Atlantic coast, Broward and Palm Beach counties are full of them, the whole space coast from Vero Beach on up, Daytona, parts of Jacksonville. It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.


    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I’m not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building’s useful life.
     
    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.

    In wet environments, corrosion is to be expected. Competent, proactive associations/boards keep after it. If grossly neglected maintenance were the rule, we would see more collapses.

    The Legal State will mandate that every private, FL tower, built before ~Y2K, receives a regular, thorough, “credentialed” inspection with zero tolerance for structural issues. A bull market in HOA liens.

    [MORE]

    However, maintenance of public bridges will continue to be postponed (in order to fund salaries/PERS for bureaucrats). One spectacular failure will open the “crisis spending” vein.

    The schoolies will hit-up taxpayers for bonds to pay for the $20M, average cost of structural improvements to high school buildings.

  316. @Papinian
    @kaganovitch

    You know, "exasperated" comes from "asper", and "exacerbated" comes from "acer". I'd bet we all understand the distinction in English, but can we all grasp the different senses of the Latin words?

    The unabridged Lewis and Short has two full columns on "asper" (not to be confused with Asper, the grammarian). Apparently, it's connected with άσπαίρω; originally meant "hopeless, desperate" (spes!), coming to mean "harsh, severe". (although this dictionary just discusses, it doesn't define. How frustrating.)

    "Acer", on the other hand, is "sharp, pointed, piercing" (If the first vowel is long; otherwise, it means the wood of a maple tree.), although from the first example, "praestans valetudine, viribus, forma, acerrimis integerrimis sensibus" (this is a very sexy man, indeed!), it has a wide application. Related to the German "Ecke" and the English "edge".

    What's my point? I guess I just feel somewhat forgiving. Yes, indeed, it is a malapropism, and yes, it is shocking that the writer penned it, and that the editor overlooked it. But, I suppose I can understand an indifference to the distinction. After all, nobody is in doubt about the meaning. And indeed, there are known depths to these words which I have not plumbed, several columns' worth! Let he who is without blame cast the first stone.

    On the other hand, the error reveals the alienness of the writer. He doesn't know the distinction. He probably doesn't care, either.

    Replies: @FPD72

    άσπαίρω is a Greek, first person, singular, present, active, indicative verb meaning, “I take.” I can’t find any sources relating it to the Latin word “asper,” which you have correctly translated.

    That said, thanks for correcting kaganovitch and making clear the difference between the two words. Kaganovitch may simply be a victim of the dictation software he may have been using.

  317. @JMcG
    @Ed

    The stories about Cheyney are legion. A couple of students were pimping prostitutes in one of the dorms a few years back. It’s stuck right in the middle of a pretty upscale area.
    I went into a liquor store near there a couple of years ago to pick up a bottle of Hennessy brandy for a visiting relative. There was none on the shelf. When I asked the lady behind the counter if they had any in stock, I got the classic response: She looked both ways, cupped her hand around her mouth, and whispered “We have to keep it behind the counter or the kids from Cheyney steal it all.”

    Replies: @Barnard

    A few years ago after reading an article about Cheyney, I went looking for information on how many students graduated each year. It was almost impossible to find. They had their commencement online this year, but you have to have an invitation to view the video. I found a few other HBCUs that routinely had graduating classes smaller than 20. Some were in high single digits. It would benefit blacks if most of these schools were closed.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Barnard

    The state schools can’t be touched as accusations of racism will be hurled and even conservative politicians will fold under the pressure. That was the case of the woefully managed SC State. GOP members in SC had enough of the malfeasance ,refused to bail it out again and demanding it close for 2 years to fix itself.

    Well the whining began and they changed course.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/lawmakers-vote-shutter-sc-state-university-manage-deficit-n305396

    , @AceDeuce
    @Barnard

    Trump, in one of his stupider moves, pumped a whole schittload of money to these worthless schools.

  318. @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could. There’s plenty more to come. I recently met a young man who claimed to have, and was hired on the basis of having, an undergraduate degree in physics. He couldn’t tell me what the derivative of velocity is.
    Now, he obviously wasn’t hired as a physicist, but a STEM degree was required for the position he filled.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @James Speaks

    The people killed in that bridge collapse in Florida would disagree with you if they could.

    The people who died in the pedestrian bridge collapse are … wait for it … dead. The minority female pseudo-engineer did not “get away with it.”

    On the other hand, non-engineer managers who stipulate unsound practices such as mandating placement of unqualified by any criteria other than the presence of melanin and/or a vagina do get away with it. It is only when Ms. Unqualified fucks up that the consequences become apparent. This is why the NSPE code of ethics forbids having a non-engineers supervise engineers. In Dilbert’s world, the consequences are bad humor. In critical disciplines, death happens.

    Now let’s put this to rest so I can get back to (verbal) negro bashing.

    • Agree: JMcG
  319. @William Badwhite
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    I’d be concerned with the high rise condos like Surfside built during the Cocaine Cowboys boom era of Miami real estate development.
     
    Yes, the corruption in Miami (and Dade County) in those days must have been eye-popping. Some developer throwing up a cheap condo, knowing it might collapse in 20, 30, 40 years? He'd be gone, the money pocketed, the corporation that built it unwound. What (other than morality) would stop him? And we still may find that corruption contributed to this.

    Yet this collapse was (as far as I know) the only one. It could be that making a stable condo isn’t much more difficult than making an unstable one. I defer to the various engineers and developers on here.

    My point was more that there are condos all over Florida - the Gulf Coast from Marco Island well up past Tampa has lots. On the Atlantic coast, Broward and Palm Beach counties are full of them, the whole space coast from Vero Beach on up, Daytona, parts of Jacksonville. It seems like there would be more collapses if common things like rusted rebar was the cause.


    Condominiums make some measure of sense, but I’m not sure that anyone has thought through what happens to them at the end of the building’s useful life.
     
    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Wouldn’t this be an issue with any high-rise, regardless of what is in it (i.e. condos, apartments, a hotel, offices, etc)? It’s a good question though – presumably buildings have useful lives. What happens next?

    It would be something of an issue, but in cases other than a condominium there is generally a single owner with responsibility over the maintenance and capital improvements who will have gotten some reasonable measure of economic value out of the building over its service life.

    In a condominium, the responsibility is diffused over dozens to hundreds of unit owners of various means and motivations. How do you convince someone who sunk the majority of his net worth into a condo unit three years ago as his primary residence that it is time to bite the bullet and demolish the whole thing? I doubt that ever happens unless and until the municipal government litigates the issue (i.e. the structure must be demolished because it is a hazard to human life) and prevails.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
  320. res says:
    @Flip
    Default rate comparisons are useful

    Replies: @bomag, @res

    Number one hit (from 1996) for my Google search for: mortgage default rates by race
    Why Default Rates Cannot Shed Light on Mortgage Discrimination
    https://www.huduser.gov/Periodicals/CITYSCPE/VOL2NUM1/yinger.pdf

    Google has an answer rationalization for everything.

    Perhaps we can agree to temporarily waive anti-discrimination laws to allow Skylar Baker-Jordan to start a company exclusively serving these underserved segments of the mortgage market. I’m sure he could find lots of investors willing to lose money demonstrating their virtue. Just as long as the Feds don’t agree to insure the loans.

  321. @Alfa158
    “Last month, I was horrified but not surprised by the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.”

    Show of hands. How many people don’t think that is a lie?

    That’s what I thought. If nothing else the disparity in capitalization used by this writer gives it away as a lie.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Hibernian, @Triteleia Laxa, @Prester John, @res

    Some OT discussion of that in this thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-nfl-draftees-average-16-iq-points-higher-than-black-draftees/#comment-4666362

    Zillow’s Zestimate is up to $186k. The ten year history of it is something. I wonder where all the (near) step functions came from.

  322. res says:
    @Altai
    Years ago I took a Standford MOOC and one of the lectures involved Trevor Hastie introducing a dataset table detailing the different factors found most critical to housing prices in the US.

    It must have been the first time he saw it because he went over the names of the first few headers and then abruptly stopped himself and nervously said 'Among others...' before he read out 'Percent Black'. Made all the funnier from his Afrikaner accent.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Carbon blob, @res

    What makes that even funnier is if you look at the dataset you see that the “percent black” variable was transformed in a way that made it impossible to know the actual percent black.

    At the time I took it that they (dataset creators) were attempting to hide the likely strong relationship (i.e. being anti-racist by concealing reality), but there are other interpretations… See
    https://medium.com/@docintangible/racist-data-destruction-113e3eff54a8
    https://github.com/scikit-learn/scikit-learn/issues/16155
    https://github.com/odsti/datasets/tree/master/boston_housing#the-black_index-variable-is-odd-and-probably-wrong

    Here is the transform equation. Notice how it is not one to one (here meaning not invertible).
    B = 1000(Bk – 0.63)^2 where Bk is the proportion of blacks by town.

  323. res says:
    @Almost Missouri


    The Black homeownership rate has increased only 4% over the past five decades.
     
    Which is when redlining was illegal.

    Meanwhile, the gap in homeownership between white and Black Americans was 5% lower in 1920 than it was in 2020.
     

     
    So actually blacks were doing better back in the bad old days of evil redlining, when they weren't subject to being upsold into excessively large mortgages with no down payment and extra-high interest rates. Interesting.


    A lot of the discrimination currently keeping Americans of color from equally accessing credit comes from seemingly race-neutral policies that are applied evenly but have a disparate impact. Loan officers make commissions based on the loan amount, and originating a smaller loan on a less-expensive house may not be as enticing as lending on a bigger loan in a more expensive neighborhood.
     

     
    Blacks' problem isn't "equally accessing credit", it's excessively accessing credit: taking out big loans they can't pay back and end up defaulting on. Of course it's just a coincidence that the loan originators make bigger commissions on those unrepayable loans.


    the story of a Black woman in Indiana who discovered her home value doubled when she had a white friend stand in as the homeowner.
     

     
    Fake story. Besides that it is a lie on its face, it doesn't even make real-world sense. Is this supposed to mean that a black woman uploaded a white friend's photo to Zillow and then the Z-Value® suddenly doubled? Or that the white friend stood in the doorway, and then the local tax assessor saw it and said, "By jingo, I'm doubling your tax assessment effective immediately!"?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @res

    Fake story. Besides that it is a lie on its face, it doesn’t even make real-world sense. Is this supposed to mean that a black woman uploaded a white friend’s photo to Zillow and then the Z-Value® suddenly doubled? Or that the white friend stood in the doorway, and then the local tax assessor saw it and said, “By jingo, I’m doubling your tax assessment effective immediately!”?

    See the links in my earlier comment. My understanding is her white friend got an appraisal which came in much higher (far above market). Of course the highballing appraiser’s identity was redacted in the relevant document…

  324. @Ralph L
    @Lurker

    Stainless steel is nowhere near as strong as rebar steel. I tried replacing some of my rusty 1921 siding nails with stainless ones and bent half of them before switching to galvanized, and that was using a longer nail in the old holes.

    Replies: @Lurker

    OK, thanks!

    I noticed someone else on the thread mentioned coating the rebar with epoxy. I’m sure that buys time. But I suspect not a permanent fix.

  325. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work?

    Maybe like this?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Computer-generated_imagery

    Replies: @Anon

    By the way, how does above-the-water surfboard work?

    There is a “foil” in the water, i.e., a wing, which produces lift in water just like a wing on an airplane. Hydrofoil boats have these. The recent America’s Cup yachts have had them and sail completely out of the water. The IMOCA60 60-foot racing yachts in their more recent versions have two movable foils on the right and left sides at the front that can lift the front of the boat when the the boat is heeled to one side, as sailboats usually are. IMOCAs are the class used in the three month single-handed solo around-the-world Vendee Globe race every four years, and in last year’s race these foils were breaking like crazy and disabling boats. The designs are carbon fiber, which means they are very strong … until they aren’t, at which point they explode into smithereens. The Vendee Globe is essentially an Antarctica circumnavigation just outside the ice zone, and the seas are really rough. There were several rescues, including a guy whose boat sunk on him at night and he was found floating in some sort of marine survival suit by another competitor, very dramatic rescue footage.

  326. @Ben tillman
    @Mr. Anon

    Lurker and LondonBob are well-informed.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Thanks mate!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Lurker

    My pleasure!

  327. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    My wife is one of eight kids. Her parents managed well without obscene income. The old house in Severna Park MD is more valuable for the lot than the building. Vehicle of choice was a Chevy Suburban.
    None of the kids felt deprived, but perhaps tellingly, at Thanksgiving I count more Degrees than grand-kids.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anon

    The Washington Post in 2016 profiled a family with 13 honest-to-goodness, vagina-delivered, non-adopted kids in Maryland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/13-kids-13-college-educations-not-rich-retiring-early/2016/08/08/3abe7cec-38b4-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

    The dad has blogged in more detail on the precise mechanics of balancing a budget with such a big family:

    https://www.madfientist.com/how-to-retire-early-with-13-kids/

    The mom is stay at home, dad works a software testing job (used to own a bookstore) and supplements it with whatever, including lawn mowing. They are Catholic and part of a close community. The community helps out a bit by giving them dibs on stuff that would otherwise be discarded. The kids are sort of on their own for college, getting automobiles, etc., and they find jobs as soon as they can work. The kids seem well adjusted and well cared for. The parents are managing to build retirement savings. The blog shows their specific budget (dad was active in the frugality movement on the web, so he has posted a lot of details on their life).

  328. Ed says:
    @Barnard
    @JMcG

    A few years ago after reading an article about Cheyney, I went looking for information on how many students graduated each year. It was almost impossible to find. They had their commencement online this year, but you have to have an invitation to view the video. I found a few other HBCUs that routinely had graduating classes smaller than 20. Some were in high single digits. It would benefit blacks if most of these schools were closed.

    Replies: @Ed, @AceDeuce

    The state schools can’t be touched as accusations of racism will be hurled and even conservative politicians will fold under the pressure. That was the case of the woefully managed SC State. GOP members in SC had enough of the malfeasance ,refused to bail it out again and demanding it close for 2 years to fix itself.

    Well the whining began and they changed course.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/lawmakers-vote-shutter-sc-state-university-manage-deficit-n305396

  329. @Yancey Ward
    I am going to call bullshit on the story about the lady in Indiana doubling the selling price of her home by having a white friend pose as the seller.

    Replies: @Alden, @Abe, @frankie p, @Lurker, @Nicholas Stix

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9588367/Black-homeowner-files-complaint-home-value-doubled-white-friend-stood-appraisal.html#comments

    Her name is Carlette Duffy.

    It’s a hoax and a shakedown lawsuit.

    The black woman asserts, without providing essential information, that she was “cheated” by a White man appraiser, who gave her an estimate on her property that was 50% less than she’d received several months earlier, in a now heating-up market.

    But here’s the thing. She wasn’t looking to sell, she was looking to refi the place. Unless I missed the mark, this would have saved her tens of thousands of dollars in interest on the refi loan and on her property taxes, over what she’d have had to pay under the 100% higher appraisal.

    My verdict: Carlette Duffy and the racial socialist “equity” group backing her were looking to shake down a White in the real estate industry, and banked on the msm carrying the ball for her, the facts be damned.

    • Thanks: Liza
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Nicholas Stix


    She wasn’t looking to sell, she was looking to refi the place. Unless I missed the mark, this would have saved her tens of thousands of dollars in interest on the refi loan and on her property taxes, over what she’d have had to pay under the 100% higher appraisal.
     
    Not sure how this follows. The appraisal for a loan is generally unrelated to tax assessment (afaik; may vary by state / city).

    Also the higher the value of the house the better it is for a loan of a given amount since the loan is a smaller value of the total value.

    But in this case she wasn't trying to just refi for a lower rate, she wanted to take money out:

    Instead, she wanted to refinance her current mortgage loan, take of advantage of the pandemic's historically low interest rates and use some of the equity she built up in her own home to buy her grandmother's house near Crispus Attucks High School. Duffy hoped to pass the property along to her daughter.
    ...
    So Duffy began the process of refinancing her home mortgage, which she purchased for $100,000 in 2017.
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2021/05/13/indianapolis-black-homeowner-home-appraisal-discrimination-fair-housing-center-central-indiana/4936571001/?utm_source=digg
     
    Later on it says she could only really qualify for an FHA loan anyway because of her credit.
  330. @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie


    I didn’t say it was, I said it was prima facie evidence that people do not openly accept lying. And it is indeed that.
     
    A thing can be "open" without being explicit. As I said before, you argue like a child. You're like one of those people who stand on a dias at a high-school graduation and opens her valedictory speech with "The dictionary defines (hope, perseverance, whatever) as...........". You seem to have a child's understanding of the World.

    Replies: @Rosie

    A thing can be “open” without being explicit.

    Why don’t you stop dog-paddling and acknowledge your error?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rosie

    I made no error.

    You must be a simpleton. You seem to have a simpletons understanding of the World.

  331. @Possumman
    @Morton's toes

    I sold land Rovers and Cadillacs for a bit while in between jobs---had an NFL player come in to buy a Range Rover---the F&I guy couldn't get him bought anywhere his credit was so dirty--and we had some credit options that would really hit you in the head--they put a mirror under your nose and if you fogged it you got bought

    Replies: @JMcG

    I was going to ask how an NFL player doesn’t have the cash to buy a Land Rover, but I stopped myself. Maybe Truth has an answer to this conundrum.

  332. @Barnard
    @JMcG

    A few years ago after reading an article about Cheyney, I went looking for information on how many students graduated each year. It was almost impossible to find. They had their commencement online this year, but you have to have an invitation to view the video. I found a few other HBCUs that routinely had graduating classes smaller than 20. Some were in high single digits. It would benefit blacks if most of these schools were closed.

    Replies: @Ed, @AceDeuce

    Trump, in one of his stupider moves, pumped a whole schittload of money to these worthless schools.

  333. @Lurker
    @Ben tillman

    Thanks mate!

    Replies: @ben tillman

    My pleasure!

  334. @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    I read about the sea water it in a report by the county building department. . Sand has salt. Thanks, I never thought about that. I always assumed it was the wet concrete that started the rusting process. The rust loosens the connection between the un rusted inner rebar and the concrete. I’m still trying to understand how the rust expands the rebar, sometimes up to 4 times original size.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @J.Ross

    I’m seeing a lot of stuff about seawater being allowed to pool for years in the parking complex but saltwater in construction would be big. Can you quote or cite the report?

  335. @Nicholas Stix
    @Yancey Ward

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9588367/Black-homeowner-files-complaint-home-value-doubled-white-friend-stood-appraisal.html#comments

    Her name is Carlette Duffy.

    It’s a hoax and a shakedown lawsuit.

    The black woman asserts, without providing essential information, that she was “cheated” by a White man appraiser, who gave her an estimate on her property that was 50% less than she’d received several months earlier, in a now heating-up market.

    But here’s the thing. She wasn’t looking to sell, she was looking to refi the place. Unless I missed the mark, this would have saved her tens of thousands of dollars in interest on the refi loan and on her property taxes, over what she’d have had to pay under the 100% higher appraisal.

    My verdict: Carlette Duffy and the racial socialist “equity” group backing her were looking to shake down a White in the real estate industry, and banked on the msm carrying the ball for her, the facts be damned.

    Replies: @vhrm

    She wasn’t looking to sell, she was looking to refi the place. Unless I missed the mark, this would have saved her tens of thousands of dollars in interest on the refi loan and on her property taxes, over what she’d have had to pay under the 100% higher appraisal.

    Not sure how this follows. The appraisal for a loan is generally unrelated to tax assessment (afaik; may vary by state / city).

    Also the higher the value of the house the better it is for a loan of a given amount since the loan is a smaller value of the total value.

    But in this case she wasn’t trying to just refi for a lower rate, she wanted to take money out:

    Instead, she wanted to refinance her current mortgage loan, take of advantage of the pandemic’s historically low interest rates and use some of the equity she built up in her own home to buy her grandmother’s house near Crispus Attucks High School. Duffy hoped to pass the property along to her daughter.

    So Duffy began the process of refinancing her home mortgage, which she purchased for $100,000 in 2017.
    https://www.indystar.com/story/money/2021/05/13/indianapolis-black-homeowner-home-appraisal-discrimination-fair-housing-center-central-indiana/4936571001/?utm_source=digg

    Later on it says she could only really qualify for an FHA loan anyway because of her credit.

  336. @Rosie
    @Mr. Anon


    A thing can be “open” without being explicit.
     
    Why don't you stop dog-paddling and acknowledge your error?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I made no error.

    You must be a simpleton. You seem to have a simpletons understanding of the World.

  337. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Yes, as a matter of fact both personally and professionally. Doesn't matter in this discussion, since no one knows you're a pig on the internet.

    As a rule, I'm sympathetic to rank-and-file lawyers because their income fluctuates a great deal, a great many of the newly minted among them cannot make a living at it and have to find something else to do with their life, and they're earning fairly ordinary bourgeois incomes when they do succeed. They also require a certain equanimity and nimbleness of mind to keep on top of their workload. I could never do this myself.

    In re prosecutors, the few I've been acquainted with in office settings didn't set off any red flags. Roberts and Wm. L. Anderson have written a great deal about prosecutorial misconduct, Roberts in the federal system and Anderson in re the State of North Carolina. You read about cases in the paper and some of them leave you stupefied. I also correspond with lawyers who do criminal defense work. One of them remarked that prosecutors don't get much experience at trial cross-examining liars because the liars are their own witnesses.

    Replies: @Alden, @BLESTO-V, @David In TN

    I’ve corresponded with two retired big-time prosecutors in the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office. One of them cross-examined a defendant who murdered a woman in her apartment. The defendant claimed he was in Navy boot camp in San Diego at the time.

    The defendant had left 34 fingerprints in the dead woman’s apartment. Navy records showed he was not in boot camp but in the Naval Reserves living at home in South LA going to the Naval station in Santa Monica.

    The prosecutor took the defendant apart on cross-examination. The downtown LA jury found him guilty after six hours deliberation.

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