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In New Hampshire, of all places.

I was hoping that her years of fundraising for oceanographic research meant she was hiding out at the bottom of the ocean in one of those little scientific subs.

I must admit that I’ve lost the thread on this story.

 
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  1. Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

  2. Shouldn’t your headline say Gal Pal?

  3. The Clintons and others should’ve used their influence to have her arrested a few weeks ago when the riots were in full swing. Bad timing on their part, as her arrest on a slow news day reminds everyone about the Jeffrey Epstein case. Hopefully her testimony (or “suicide”) will take place when a giant meteorite is about to crash into Earth.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @J1234


    Hopefully her testimony (or “suicide”) will take place when a giant meteorite is about to crash into Earth.
     
    Oh- a blockbuster plot! - Your first part being told second would be nice.

    I could add German shooter Tobias Rathjen, who killed nine people in February in Haunau / Hessen for a sequel. Rathjen killed the nine Turks/ Kurs... in a shisha bar, in order to increase racial tensions worldwide (cf. Russiagate...) and initiate a nuclear war. This because he had a plan worked out (on many pages) to "reset" the earth after adjusting/correcting the bad waves of negative energy in the Universe, which he looks upon as the root cause of our earthly troubles. So - he is in for a truly Universal reform, starting in outer space! - This could be part three of the Maxwell/Epstein/ Clinton / Rathjen -saga.

  4. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Cooperating with authorities… life expectancy would be what? No later than the first day of testimony, I am thinking.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  5. I’m jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.

    Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself.

    • Agree: Kronos, R.G. Camara, Lurker
    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She died of COVID19 next week I heard.

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123


    “Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself.”
     
    Deep State is dumb but not that dumb.

    CNN report (7/21/2020):


    “Authorities tell us that Maxwell began feeling symptoms of COVID-19 sometime last week and at that time was tested...

    ...and hospital sources couldn’t tell us exactly when Maxwell was put on a ventilator...”
     

    , @Kronos
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She might very well be sent to the same prison that Epstein died in.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ghislane-maxwell-arrested-new-hampshire

    , @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/CulturedGrugg/status/1279046331580002304

    , @Mike Tre
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Do you think the question was asked, "If we put her in the same cell as Jeff, would it be too obvious?"

  6. “In New Hampshire, of all places.”

    Hard to understand what she was thinking especially since it appears she bought the place after Epstein’s death. Maybe she wasn’t just hiding from the US government.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @James B. Shearer

    She was hiding in plain sight. Everybpdy and his dog knew where she was all this time. She's had lots of time to destroy evidence or bargain with the FBI before getting "arrested".

    , @anon
    @James B. Shearer

    My guess: she's was waiting on the government to work out some kind of deal for her. The feds and Maxwell will work together to shift the Epstein narrative away from "intelligence" and spying to a simple #metoo scandal. Maxwell will testify to some minor things that keeps major American politicians out of trouble and then the whole thing will be swept under the rug. Anyone who brings it up will be denounced as a conspiracy theorist using the trial as evidence. Third parties working for the government will edit your Wikipedia page to call you a promoter of debunked conspiracy theories. A Hollywood movie with mysterious sources of funding will paint the whole thing as Metoo. Another Netflix documentary or two will help to do the same.

  7. Unrelated but of interest. Falkland islanders have to consider question of national identity:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/06/how-prosperity-transformed-the-falklands

    Doubt you will be able to use it but still interesting.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @AKAHorace

    The Telex between Port Stanley and London of the Falkland war is quite entertaining to read. It’s shocking the Brits were so unprepared.

    London: is it true what we hear
    Port Stanley: we have new friends
    London: what is going on?
    Port Stanley: Can’t tell you. orders of our new friends must be obeyed
    London: crap!

  8. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.





    Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Anon, @Kronos, @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre

    She died of COVID19 next week I heard.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Matthew Kelly

    COVID19. Why...that's PERFECT!! They might be flat-out injecting her with the stuff as I write this.

  9. I’m confused. Wasn’t she in Paris?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444137/Jeffrey-Epsteins-fugitive-madam-Ghislaine-Maxwell-hiding-luxury-Paris.html

    If so, why would she risk coming back to the USA?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Not Raul

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    Replies: @Precious, @Dieter Kief, @Hibernian

  10. We used to have decent investigative journalists in America. Still, at this point, nobody has come up with a clear, logical, convincing story on how Epstein got a hold of so much money. What did he do all those years to acquire that money? The last real job he had was with Bear Stearns in the very early 80s, from which he was fired for some misconduct or another.

    I’m putting my trust in Ron Unz here.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    @Daniel H

    Epstein got his money from retail magnate (and mega-Zionist) Les Wexner. Our own Whitney Webb covered this extensively last summer. For example:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @David In TN

    , @Thomas Defelstrock
    @Daniel H

    Ryan Dawson drew the whole picture some time ago. FTN also did a deep dive on it last year. In fact there were mainstream news reports as far back as Robert Maxwell's yachting accident and you can follow the threads.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Daniel H

    He got rich people to give him money and then selected stocks using a monkey and a dartboard.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Daniel H

    It appears, from what I’ve listened to regarding the case, he acquired most of his fortune by being Les Wexner’s (CEO of Victoria’s Secret) financial handler. Why Wexner isn’t being grilled more is beyond me. The few times he is question he claims he was a victim too, lol. Epstein even lived on Wexner’s estate part of the time, and kept victims like Maria Farmer there. He used “scouting for models” as an excuse to bring all of the girls into his NYC pad, too.

  11. • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  12. The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell’s sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina

    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    • Thanks: wren
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @syonredux

    I, for one, welcome our new ah crap I can't even say it.

    , @Russ
    @syonredux


    I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell’s sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL
     
    So Christine Maxwell's father-in-law was a JPL founder, and her father was a leading scientific publisher. Quite the technology clique amongst it all. Hard, though, to muster too much attention on Ghislaine while Big Loud Marxists attack the nation.
    , @wren
    @syonredux

    Sean Lennon is an interesting guy and independent thinker. As is Les Claypool.

    https://youtu.be/XcOHiGonWwU

    , @BB753
    @syonredux

    That's no coincidence.

    , @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Not being into the occult, I had to look these names up.

    Jack Parsons' real name was Marvel Whiteside Parsons.

    If you wanted to make up a name for a crazy white scientist, you couldn't do better.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Lurker
    @syonredux

    Tom Sizemore claims he helped set up Bill Clinton for a tryst with Liz Hurley in the 1990s. Later she was in a relationship, and had a son, with the suicided Steve Bing.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @syonredux

    Here's another connection: In 1924 a married American woman, Pauline Pierce, traveled alone to Paris to visit a friend and subsequently had an affair with her friend's houseguest, Aleister Crowley. Pauline returned to her rich husband, Marvin Pierce, in New York and, eight months later, gave birth to Barbara Bush. The 41st First Lady of the United States was the Great Beast's moonchild. Life can be so wonderfully weird.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Alden

  13. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.





    Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Anon, @Kronos, @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre

    “Ghislaine Maxwell didn’t kill herself.”

    Deep State is dumb but not that dumb.

    CNN report (7/21/2020):

    “Authorities tell us that Maxwell began feeling symptoms of COVID-19 sometime last week and at that time was tested…

    …and hospital sources couldn’t tell us exactly when Maxwell was put on a ventilator…”

  14. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    And Aleister Crowley was a British spy who later went on to work directly for Satan.

  15. https://www.wmur.com/article/mansion-monday-peace-quiet-and-breathtaking-views-in-bradford/27447977

    Well I’ve always assumed Laine was being watched by several I’tel agencies and some US law enforcement and where ever she was it wasn’t anonymous. She could have been picked up any time.
    So why now? Can this have anything to do with the election 4 months away? What can Big Bill Barr do to gum up the works and does he even want to? Is she going to be offered bail or have to stay in that joint in NYC Epstein couldn’t survive?
    I guess the only thing we know is she has a lot to tell and quite a few people that just wish she’d go away.

  16. Somewhere I read that the arrest was instigated by the SDNY – where Barr fired the DA two weeks ago…
    A connection?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    , @botazefa
    @watzi

    The firing was just two weeks ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/geoffrey-berman-donald-trump-william-barr-fires

  17. She’s the madame at the center of the mothership of Mossad honeypot operations. So, Robert Maxwell’s daughter will commit suicide just like her dad and Jeffery and her confessions will lay the groundwork for a narrative that reveals the REAL sex-trafficking villains to be The Russians and their controlled asset in The White House.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  18. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    I, for one, welcome our new ah crap I can’t even say it.

  19. I have to admit I’m surprised she was still in the US. Her Dad was an Israeli spy and she was clearly running a spy group for someone.

  20. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s where she was holed up. That’s quite a lot of house and lot size for a million bucks.

    That amount will get you a 1920’s pile of shit craftsman in the Cali beach cities.

    https://www.movoto.com/bradford-nh/338-e-washington-rd-bradford-nh-03221/pid_epzkyf4nih/

    Btw, she’s going to kill herself unless she has a dozen 24 hour guards, and they wrap her in nerf.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Supposedly 159 acres as well. Some one other than Maxwell put up the rest of the money. Or another Maxwell LLC.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    I happen to know the town. It is, as advertised, out of the way, but still driveable to city-ish shopping. Mostly middle class with with a sprinkling of high-end places like hers, mostly outside of the main village. It is a pleasant enough area, if a little boring, about seven months out of the year, but quite cold and dark in the winter. Can't imagine Maxwell would have had the temperament to winter there. There is some local skiing, but they are unglamorous places, and probably she doesn't ski anyway. So she must have planned something else for Nov.-March.

    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jane Plain

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    The house has been on the market for 245 day , so October 2019.
    What was happening that was germane back then?
    Maybe it was a ruse to lend credence to the idea that she was gone and not returning.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous

    Whatever her other issues, Ghislaine has good taste in real estate.

  21. Russ says:
    @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell’s sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL

    So Christine Maxwell’s father-in-law was a JPL founder, and her father was a leading scientific publisher. Quite the technology clique amongst it all. Hard, though, to muster too much attention on Ghislaine while Big Loud Marxists attack the nation.

  22. Ghislaine’s old dad; Robert ‘Cap’n Bob’ Maxwell (Hoch) was a Mossad agent.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-mystery-of-maxwells-death-6107041.html

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Gordo

    ‘Cap’n Bob’ ended up as Cap'n bob, bob, bob.

    (Assuming that the whole thing wasn't a fake: smoke and mirrors, eh?)

    , @Anonymous
    @Gordo

    He did a Barnato

  23. Take your bets, gentlemen:

    -How quickly will Maxwell die before she testifies?

    (I give her two months)

    -What method will be used?

    Another “suicide”? Or a “random attack” by another prisoner? or will she be another victim of COVID-19?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    https://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hibernian, @Justvisiting, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    , @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780008137656/y648.jpg

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @ATBOTL

    , @Buck Ransom
    @R.G. Camara

    The exact details of her imminent demise -- Covid 19? Strangulation by a butch cellmate? -- are still a matter of debate. However, the feds have had a full year to scour every morgue in America to find a convincing body-double corpse for Ms. Maxwell. This can be rolled out on a gurney at the appropriate time, while the real Ghislaine is getting a pre-brunch mani-and-pedi somewhere on the coast of the eastern Mediterranean.

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.





    Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Anon, @Kronos, @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre

    She might very well be sent to the same prison that Epstein died in.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ghislane-maxwell-arrested-new-hampshire

  25. If trump lets her die then I might think about not voting this year.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kyle


    trump
     
    Cue the hordes of screaming banshees in 3... 2... 1...
    , @Colin Wright
    @Kyle

    'If trump lets her die then I might think about not voting this year.'

    You'd have a point.

  26. Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There’s a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a “well-known” prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed “suicide” in June. Ron Burkle’s son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O’Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein’s orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein’s home several times. He said he found Epstein’s lifestyle “intriguing.” There’s a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.

    See more below.

    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”

    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding.

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    – A “well-known” prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.

    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed “suicide” by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become “depressed” by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    Ron Burkle’s son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced….

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.

    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein’s orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women….

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    Bill Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s house. Gates said he found Epstein’s lifestyle to be “intriguing.”

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

    Epstein “directed” Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender “directed” Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A nice parody Biden billboard would read, "Trump golfs with rapists!"


    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/25/opinion/RFDBloomberg/RFDBloomberg-sfSpan.jpg

    , @Rob
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Jackass, use a more tag.

    This
    Is a more tag. That way, you can put your repetitive posts up, and people who don’t want to read your babble don’t have to.

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
     
    There are a few interesting stories waiting to be written about the utter corruption of the "lottery" systems established in most states.

    As others have noted, lottery "winnings" have long been used to create a "provenance" for hush payments.

    And yes, please LEARN TO USE THE MORE TAG.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I clicked "Thanks" and that was sincere, but I also agree with those saying this would have been better behind a "MORE" tag.

    , @Known Fact
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for it all!

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Neither you nor any other commenter so far has mentioned Lesley Wexner. I find this odd since it was Wexner who bankrolled Epstein. Since Wexner is a billionaire Jew this certainly suggests a Mossad connection.

    Some interesting material is here https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/les-wexner-jeffrey-epstein-victorias-secret.html and here https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1278689683636211712

    Speaking of Mossad, The Israeli deep state has devised yet another scheme to spy on all Americans and have our tax dollars pay for the “service”: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/meet-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm-using-ai-profile-americans-guide-us-lockdown-policy/

    Replies: @utu

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Good lord! Thanks for the dossier!

    Trump needs to order 24/7 Navy Seal protection/suicide prevention detail to this woman, and only allow her to reside in a rubber room, naked until the fucking trial. It’s worth the money, time and effort.

    She’s gonna blow up half the fucking world!

    Oh, and I’d appreciate seeing Bill Clinton spend his sunset years in a state penitentiary.

    It’s the right thing to do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  27. In New Hampshire, of all places.

    Live free or die, baby.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Reg Cæsar

    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish. Most of the Revolutionary War battles in which the American fighters were heavily Scots-Irish resulted in the annilhilation or crippling of the British force, Bennington, Ramsour's Mill, Kings Mountain, Cowpens, Musgrove's Mill, Blackstock's Plantation, Guilford Courthouse.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    A nice parody Biden billboard would read, “Trump golfs with rapists!”

  29. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Berman was fired in the SDNY two weeks before Maxwell was charged in the same district.

    Berman impeding an investigation against his co-ethnics? Impossible! That would be like saying Maxwell was seeking refuge at the Israeli Embassy in Paris! Oh wait, nevermind.

    Nadler, Schumer and Schiff need to investigate! Oh-vey!

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @anon

    This was my thought, too- a bit too large a coincidence that Berman is fired, and two weeks later Maxwell is arrested.

  30. I wonder if she managed to arrange the terms of a plea bargain and then turned herself in?

    After all, what many would wish to avoid would be a prolonged trial, with all kinds of testimony ‘n stuff.

    • Agree: Gordo
  31. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry gotta take the cynical view… this is not Barr & Wray finally heroically leaping into action.

    Nope. No way.

    Because incoherent Trump doesn’t do his homework —- and is the worst executive branch administrator since Jimmy Carter —- the firing of the SDNY slimeball in June only triggered the swamp to recruit this witch for service to the deep state… she’ll testify against Trump or else.

    • Thanks: wren
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Carter wasn't a bad administrator. He was deficient in that he had trouble setting priorities and would get bogged down in minutiae. Carter's real problem was (1) he had crummy people skills which (2) prevented him from building relationships with members of Congress. Max Friedersdorf, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and people on Tip O'Neill's staff all noted that Carter and his people arrived without any understanding of how Congress operated and what motivated it's members.

  32. I must admit that I’ve lost the thread on this story.

    With all that extensive coverage? Jeffrey who?

  33. Poor Ghislaine. RIP.

    Soon to be joining her father in death-presumably-suicide-in-mysterious-circumstances.

  34. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    Sean Lennon is an interesting guy and independent thinker. As is Les Claypool.

  35. @Kyle
    If trump lets her die then I might think about not voting this year.

    Replies: @Anon, @Colin Wright

    trump

    Cue the hordes of screaming banshees in 3… 2… 1…

  36. @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    Jackass, use a more tag.

    This

    [MORE]

    Is a more tag. That way, you can put your repetitive posts up, and people who don’t want to read your babble don’t have to.

  37. @R.G. Camara
    Take your bets, gentlemen:

    -How quickly will Maxwell die before she testifies?

    (I give her two months)

    -What method will be used?

    Another "suicide"? Or a "random attack" by another prisoner? or will she be another victim of COVID-19?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot, @Buck Ransom

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Kronos

    'Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.'

    I think not. Hence her allowing herself to be arrested at this point. She's managed to assure herself that won't happen. How, I'm not sure.

    , @Hibernian
    @Kronos

    Love the reporter calling the action like it was in a football game.

    Replies: @J1234, @Kronos

    , @Justvisiting
    @Kronos

    Welcome to our auction, folks.

    Do I hear $10,000?

    $20,000?

    Over there I hear $30,000.

    Going once, going twice.

    I hear $40,000.

    You don't want her naming you, do you?

    I hear $50,000.

    Our hit man has a strong track record--guaranteed success.

    I hear $60,000.

    Over there, $70,000...

    (and the auction continues well into the night...)

    , @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Kronos

    I was in the kitchen with my best friend at his house. His mom was in the front room watching tv. Suddenly,she screamed, "He's been shot!" I wished I had seen it, I got to admit.

  38. Ghislaine’s action-girl lifestyle – pilot, submariner, international woman of mystery and so forth – shows that even a real-life Lara Croft can’t live beyond the reach of the the law.

  39. @Not Raul
    I’m confused. Wasn’t she in Paris?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444137/Jeffrey-Epsteins-fugitive-madam-Ghislaine-Maxwell-hiding-luxury-Paris.html

    If so, why would she risk coming back to the USA?

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    • Replies: @Precious
    @Wielgus

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    ^Wishful thinking. SDNY has spent three years investigating Trump and came up empty. If Maxwell had any dirt on Trump it would have been used long before now.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Wielgus


    Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.
     
    I misread this quote as embedded. - Seem to be not quite awake yet.
    , @Hibernian
    @Wielgus

    Someone who really wanted to hide in the US would go to Idaho or nearby areas of the Mountain West, not New Hampshire a stone's throw from Boston.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Justvisiting

  40. @watzi
    Somewhere I read that the arrest was instigated by the SDNY - where Barr fired the DA two weeks ago...
    A connection?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @botazefa

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation.
     
    Maybe. Or you could read it the other way: the evidence in this case has existed for a long time, yet no indictment—other than the immediately immolated Epstein—ever occurred. Why? Maybe because Berman was sitting on it. Berman gets fired and boom, two weeks later, Maxwell is suddenly able to be arrested. Since she could easily be in Paris or Israel, she would only have come back to the US if she was reasonably sure American prosecutors would do nothing. Berman being taken off the case was the unexpected change.

    Replies: @Alden, @brabantian, @shazzam

    , @Precious
    @Peter Akuleyev

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    That's how Barr and Trump captured Epstein, by letting him assume they would protect him and giving him a false sense of security. Berman wasn't digging into the Epstein case, he was sitting on the public corruption case of the people who protected Epstein back in 2008. Now that Berman is out of the way, the public corruption case is proceeding, and Maxwell is the next witness.

    , @Hibernian
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I think it's going to be revealed that the President's ties to Maxwell, like his ties to Epstein, were purely social (still wrong but not criminal), while the Johns are largely of the Left. You can bet your last dollar that some of these men went beyond being customers and received commissions to bring in other customers, while some men who owned entertainment venues, almost uniformly Leftists, were procurers who received commissions to recruit young women.

    This is not to say that media attempts to emphasize the President's tenuous ties to Maxwell and Epstein and absolve Clinton especially, but also Dershowitz and others, might not succeed in tipping the election to Biden. It's also worth noting that neither of the Clintons is on the ballot, the President is, and Joe Biden has not been known to be unfaithful to Jill, he just has a problem acting creepily around women and girls, and has turned a blind eye to one of his sons entering into a relationship with his brother's widow not long after (or maybe before) the brother died. These things will not be seen in the same way as a candidate's involvement with Epstein and Maxwell. The President is doomed if he has any but minimal involvement with these two.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Peter Akuleyev


    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.
     
    It's only obvious if you think that the entire permanent apparatus of the American government, one of the two major political parties, and members of the other haven't been trying to eject Trump dating from before his inauguration.

    Otherwise and if Epstein had dirt on Trump screwing underage girls, we would have found out about it long ago.
    , @prime noticer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    why are you allowed to post here?

  41. @J1234
    The Clintons and others should've used their influence to have her arrested a few weeks ago when the riots were in full swing. Bad timing on their part, as her arrest on a slow news day reminds everyone about the Jeffrey Epstein case. Hopefully her testimony (or "suicide") will take place when a giant meteorite is about to crash into Earth.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Hopefully her testimony (or “suicide”) will take place when a giant meteorite is about to crash into Earth.

    Oh- a blockbuster plot! – Your first part being told second would be nice.

    I could add German shooter Tobias Rathjen, who killed nine people in February in Haunau / Hessen for a sequel. Rathjen killed the nine Turks/ Kurs… in a shisha bar, in order to increase racial tensions worldwide (cf. Russiagate…) and initiate a nuclear war. This because he had a plan worked out (on many pages) to “reset” the earth after adjusting/correcting the bad waves of negative energy in the Universe, which he looks upon as the root cause of our earthly troubles. So – he is in for a truly Universal reform, starting in outer space! – This could be part three of the Maxwell/Epstein/ Clinton / Rathjen -saga.

  42. @Anonymous
    Here’s where she was holed up. That’s quite a lot of house and lot size for a million bucks.

    That amount will get you a 1920's pile of shit craftsman in the Cali beach cities.

    https://www.movoto.com/bradford-nh/338-e-washington-rd-bradford-nh-03221/pid_epzkyf4nih/

    Btw, she’s going to kill herself unless she has a dozen 24 hour guards, and they wrap her in nerf.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Supposedly 159 acres as well. Some one other than Maxwell put up the rest of the money. Or another Maxwell LLC.

  43. Important donors to oceanography must get chances to meet girls who wear swimsuits a lot.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  44. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Weird

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    That was fun watching actors with wildly varying careers in terms of success, thrust together again, trying to act naturally.

    A: Well... long time no see, mr. internationally famous, world-traveling multi-multi millionaire!

    B: How goes it, miss struggling to make your HOA fees for your shitty old condo in the valley!

    What was weird was not a word regarding Jeffery Jones.

    Not... one... word.

  45. @Anonymous
    Here’s where she was holed up. That’s quite a lot of house and lot size for a million bucks.

    That amount will get you a 1920's pile of shit craftsman in the Cali beach cities.

    https://www.movoto.com/bradford-nh/338-e-washington-rd-bradford-nh-03221/pid_epzkyf4nih/

    Btw, she’s going to kill herself unless she has a dozen 24 hour guards, and they wrap her in nerf.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I happen to know the town. It is, as advertised, out of the way, but still driveable to city-ish shopping. Mostly middle class with with a sprinkling of high-end places like hers, mostly outside of the main village. It is a pleasant enough area, if a little boring, about seven months out of the year, but quite cold and dark in the winter. Can’t imagine Maxwell would have had the temperament to winter there. There is some local skiing, but they are unglamorous places, and probably she doesn’t ski anyway. So she must have planned something else for Nov.-March.

    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Almost Missouri


    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.
     
    Maxwell is of Jewish and Huguenot parentage. She'd do well to start explaining that "Huguenot" is the French term for "Black."

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Lurker

    , @Jane Plain
    @Almost Missouri

    She was involved with Scott Borgerson, who is Boston-based.

    https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein

  46. Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children? I’m sure we are going to see big drops in white Americans’ support for Israel soon, including Evangelicals.

    • Agree: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Gingerbread man
    @ATBOTL

    Absolutely not

    , @FLgeezer
    @ATBOTL

    >Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children?

    But equally important is the Israelis' intent to blackmail our politicians. For the way that our
    big shot politicians fawn over them it is plain that the izzies have been successful. It is also
    obvious that Epstein's billions came from the IDF or Mossad. Israel owns our once admired constitutional republic.

    , @Alden
    @ATBOTL

    Only if the Evangelicals know that Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad spies who exploited American girls. The Mossad connection is well covered up by the media.

  47. @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation.

    Maybe. Or you could read it the other way: the evidence in this case has existed for a long time, yet no indictment—other than the immediately immolated Epstein—ever occurred. Why? Maybe because Berman was sitting on it. Berman gets fired and boom, two weeks later, Maxwell is suddenly able to be arrested. Since she could easily be in Paris or Israel, she would only have come back to the US if she was reasonably sure American prosecutors would do nothing. Berman being taken off the case was the unexpected change.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    I agree with your assessment.

    , @brabantian
    @Almost Missouri

    This ties in to an intriguing and plausible analysis on 4chan, saying Ghislaine and the Epstein tapes might figure heavily in the current US political crisis of near-anarchy, dissolution and an uncertain election:


    Epstein is ALIVE, Ghislaine a PIVOT in USA crisis

    Why is Ghislaine Maxwell in the USA?

    It was obvious with the sudden splash of the November 2018 Miami Herald major media stories, reviving the visibility of Epstein's crimes, that there was danger of new criminal prosecutions on US territory

    So why did Jeffrey Epstein return to the USA, for his indictment and alleged suicide?

    The only adequate explanation of this, is that it was all a staged hoax so Epstein could 'disappear'.

    Similarly, there was no reason at all for Ghislaine Maxwell to be in the USA at any time since late 2018

    Possibilities:

    (1) Perhaps Israel and Mossad etc, have signalled they are ready to allow Ghislaine to be killed by assassins - as her father Robert Maxwell may have been 'killed' on the yacht in 1991, if that was genuine - so France or Israel are no longer options for her

    So Ghislaine is going for the best chance of staying alive, in the USA, cutting a deal

    (2) Ghislaine is there to play a role in a plan of ultimate political drama, along with the Epstein video tapes

    Maybe linked to US Attorney General Bill Barr's removal of the NY prosecutor Berman

    Who is going to be taken down? The Clintons? Trump? The Israel lobby? A good section of the leadership of the USA?

    Autumn may see the total breakdown of USA society, after June's record-high month of nearly 4 million US gun-purchasing transactions

    With perhaps:
    - Continuing US riots breaking into armed racial conflict
    - A covid '2nd wave' that could sabotage holding the US November presidential election in any trustable manner

    The situation is ripe for a national emergency government take-over ... a paedophilic scandal involving major figures in all branches of US goverment, would provide additional legitimacy for that

    Ghislaine and the tapes front & centre

     

    Replies: @Flip

    , @shazzam
    @Almost Missouri

    Wishful thinking.

  48. @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    That’s how Barr and Trump captured Epstein, by letting him assume they would protect him and giving him a false sense of security. Berman wasn’t digging into the Epstein case, he was sitting on the public corruption case of the people who protected Epstein back in 2008. Now that Berman is out of the way, the public corruption case is proceeding, and Maxwell is the next witness.

  49. anon[471] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    Hydroxychloroquine works!!!

    Sort of. If given early, it seems to cut death rates in half.

    (CNN)A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.

    A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
    Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
    “Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug,” the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

    Aren’t they using it in India or somewhere?

    Anti inflammatory drugs like arthritis meds are natural candidates for treatment. I was just thinking today that doctors are practical and the fact it was out of favor meant that it wasn’t working very well.

    My early interest was from doctors cravenly hoarding the stuff. And I still wonder what they take themselves. While the Gates class are using rare plasma treatments.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @anon

    This is old news if one has been following James Todaro's Twitter feed and others related to hydroxychloroquine. Thousands of doctors in Brazil have organized to promote the hydroxychloroquine protocol among practioners there. Belem and Recife have successfully treated thousands with Covid as outpatients.

    , @Colin Wright
    @anon

    '...My early interest was from doctors cravenly hoarding the stuff...'

    Why would anyone hoard the antidote to a virus so mild that half the time it produces no symptoms at all?

  50. @Wielgus
    @Not Raul

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    Replies: @Precious, @Dieter Kief, @Hibernian

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    ^Wishful thinking. SDNY has spent three years investigating Trump and came up empty. If Maxwell had any dirt on Trump it would have been used long before now.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Precious

    Hardly wishful thinking - I personally could care less whether she has something on Trump or not and don't see Biden as a significant improvement on the overgrown child.

  51. @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    I happen to know the town. It is, as advertised, out of the way, but still driveable to city-ish shopping. Mostly middle class with with a sprinkling of high-end places like hers, mostly outside of the main village. It is a pleasant enough area, if a little boring, about seven months out of the year, but quite cold and dark in the winter. Can't imagine Maxwell would have had the temperament to winter there. There is some local skiing, but they are unglamorous places, and probably she doesn't ski anyway. So she must have planned something else for Nov.-March.

    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jane Plain

    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.

    Maxwell is of Jewish and Huguenot parentage. She’d do well to start explaining that “Huguenot” is the French term for “Black.”

    • Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @black sea

    She is quite unattractive. I wonder how that played out in her life decisions. Being around wealthy,powerful and morally scabrous men her whole life,she has seen the importance of youth and beauty to get their approval.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Lurker
    @black sea

    Its possible that Huguenots were another crypto group identity.

    Replies: @Alden

  52. Lot says:
    @R.G. Camara
    Take your bets, gentlemen:

    -How quickly will Maxwell die before she testifies?

    (I give her two months)

    -What method will be used?

    Another "suicide"? Or a "random attack" by another prisoner? or will she be another victim of COVID-19?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot, @Buck Ransom

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    • Agree: Alexander Turok
    • Troll: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Lot

    I don't agree it is such a small thing. I've already posted my opinion here, so I won't elaborate. Anyway, I don't think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) - there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on. Basically, Epstein was a power-pimp for North American- wealthy European (plus that disgraced figure of Israeli ex-PM) elites who couldn't get laid with Lolitas. Money couldn't buy them that.

    Epstein case was a big prostitution ring for wealthy old farts. No more than that- but no less, too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxYiIRkLTE

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Stebbing Heuer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    We get it, Lot - nothing to see here - especially nothing that might tie back to Israel. Because that is certainly one country that would never ever sponsor a massive espionage/blackmail operation.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Colin Wright
    @Lot

    Sure, Lot.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/15/20/16076894-7250009-image-m-22_1563217565512.jpg

    , @ATBOTL
    @Lot


    Nothing to see here goys, just a foreign nation's intelligence agency mass raping and sexually exploiting children from your ethnic group for political blackmail over your leaders. This happens all the time and is no big deal. If you think this is a big deal, you are the real pervert...
     
    This is what these neocons think about us.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  53. OT:
    At least 171 students living in or near the frat houses of the University of Washington in Seattle test positive for the virus.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485335/Outbreak-COVID-19-University-Washingtons-Greek-Row.html

    So, were the Haven Monohans hanging out at the protests? Or were they hanging out with the Maiden Monohans who most certainly were?

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Altai

    Too bad there’s no “so what” button. Any of them sick? Dead?

  54. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.

    There are a few interesting stories waiting to be written about the utter corruption of the “lottery” systems established in most states.

    As others have noted, lottery “winnings” have long been used to create a “provenance” for hush payments.

    And yes, please LEARN TO USE THE MORE TAG.

  55. @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation.
     
    Maybe. Or you could read it the other way: the evidence in this case has existed for a long time, yet no indictment—other than the immediately immolated Epstein—ever occurred. Why? Maybe because Berman was sitting on it. Berman gets fired and boom, two weeks later, Maxwell is suddenly able to be arrested. Since she could easily be in Paris or Israel, she would only have come back to the US if she was reasonably sure American prosecutors would do nothing. Berman being taken off the case was the unexpected change.

    Replies: @Alden, @brabantian, @shazzam

    I agree with your assessment.

  56. @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation.
     
    Maybe. Or you could read it the other way: the evidence in this case has existed for a long time, yet no indictment—other than the immediately immolated Epstein—ever occurred. Why? Maybe because Berman was sitting on it. Berman gets fired and boom, two weeks later, Maxwell is suddenly able to be arrested. Since she could easily be in Paris or Israel, she would only have come back to the US if she was reasonably sure American prosecutors would do nothing. Berman being taken off the case was the unexpected change.

    Replies: @Alden, @brabantian, @shazzam

    This ties in to an intriguing and plausible analysis on 4chan, saying Ghislaine and the Epstein tapes might figure heavily in the current US political crisis of near-anarchy, dissolution and an uncertain election:

    Epstein is ALIVE, Ghislaine a PIVOT in USA crisis

    Why is Ghislaine Maxwell in the USA?

    It was obvious with the sudden splash of the November 2018 Miami Herald major media stories, reviving the visibility of Epstein’s crimes, that there was danger of new criminal prosecutions on US territory

    So why did Jeffrey Epstein return to the USA, for his indictment and alleged suicide?

    The only adequate explanation of this, is that it was all a staged hoax so Epstein could ‘disappear’.

    Similarly, there was no reason at all for Ghislaine Maxwell to be in the USA at any time since late 2018

    Possibilities:

    (1) Perhaps Israel and Mossad etc, have signalled they are ready to allow Ghislaine to be killed by assassins – as her father Robert Maxwell may have been ‘killed’ on the yacht in 1991, if that was genuine – so France or Israel are no longer options for her

    So Ghislaine is going for the best chance of staying alive, in the USA, cutting a deal

    (2) Ghislaine is there to play a role in a plan of ultimate political drama, along with the Epstein video tapes

    Maybe linked to US Attorney General Bill Barr’s removal of the NY prosecutor Berman

    Who is going to be taken down? The Clintons? Trump? The Israel lobby? A good section of the leadership of the USA?

    Autumn may see the total breakdown of USA society, after June’s record-high month of nearly 4 million US gun-purchasing transactions

    With perhaps:
    – Continuing US riots breaking into armed racial conflict
    – A covid ‘2nd wave’ that could sabotage holding the US November presidential election in any trustable manner

    The situation is ripe for a national emergency government take-over … a paedophilic scandal involving major figures in all branches of US goverment, would provide additional legitimacy for that

    Ghislaine and the tapes front & centre

    • Replies: @Flip
    @brabantian

    That body that was supposed to be Epstein didn't look like him. The nose was different. I bet he's in a witness protection program somewhere. The Clintons and Trump probably agreed it was in their interest to orchestrate a fake death.

  57. New Hampshire is a good place to hide.

    • Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Who's that nasty looking old coot? Oh,wait...

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  58. @James B. Shearer
    "In New Hampshire, of all places."

    Hard to understand what she was thinking especially since it appears she bought the place after Epstein's death. Maybe she wasn't just hiding from the US government.

    Replies: @BB753, @anon

    She was hiding in plain sight. Everybpdy and his dog knew where she was all this time. She’s had lots of time to destroy evidence or bargain with the FBI before getting “arrested”.

  59. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    That’s no coincidence.

  60. @black sea
    @Almost Missouri


    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.
     
    Maxwell is of Jewish and Huguenot parentage. She'd do well to start explaining that "Huguenot" is the French term for "Black."

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Lurker

    She is quite unattractive. I wonder how that played out in her life decisions. Being around wealthy,powerful and morally scabrous men her whole life,she has seen the importance of youth and beauty to get their approval.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Her friends Epstein, Prince Andrew , Clinton and the rest of the rich and powerful men who surrounded her didn’t mind her looks and age.

    They threw away the pretty young girls like dirty paper plates but Maxwell had something that led to life long relationships even after Epstein was arrested, charged and sentenced as a molester rapist of minor girls “ some as young as 14” as all the charges were written.

    Maxwell’s slim which is a real accomplishment for 58 nowadays. Hair styles nice, but dyed black hair at her age is just too, too, awful. Face somewhere between unattractive and ugly.

  61. @Buzz Mohawk
    New Hampshire is a good place to hide.

    https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/21.jpg

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Who’s that nasty looking old coot? Oh,wait…

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    OK, who is it then?

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

  62. Ghislaine….a very loose end ….will be tied up very soon.

  63. All roads lead to the Clintons. ABC reporter Robach said it herself. Maxwell has French citizenship and that government would not allow her to be extradited from France to the USA…so why was she in the States at all knowing that if she got caught she would get life in prison?

    She must have already flipped and it’s a done deal. The corruption of our elites is staggering.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @northeast

    Nah, all roads lead to Les Wexner and Victoria’s Secret. The Clintons just hopped on for the ride (along with a lot of other bigwigs) at some point.

  64. @Wielgus
    @Not Raul

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    Replies: @Precious, @Dieter Kief, @Hibernian

    Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    I misread this quote as embedded. – Seem to be not quite awake yet.

  65. @Reg Cæsar

    In New Hampshire, of all places.
     
    Live free or die, baby.




    https://www.seacoastonline.com/storyimage/SO/20190826/NEWS/190829624/AR/0/AR-190829624.jpg

    Replies: @Bert

    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish. Most of the Revolutionary War battles in which the American fighters were heavily Scots-Irish resulted in the annilhilation or crippling of the British force, Bennington, Ramsour’s Mill, Kings Mountain, Cowpens, Musgrove’s Mill, Blackstock’s Plantation, Guilford Courthouse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bert


    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish.
     
    So that's why the Granite-headed state went for FDR three times. I thought it was the Frogs, but there were plenty of them in Maine and Vermont, too.

    "Live free-- off someone else."

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Bert

  66. @anon
    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    Hydroxychloroquine works!!!

    Sort of. If given early, it seems to cut death rates in half.

    (CNN)A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.

    A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
    Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
    "Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

    Aren't they using it in India or somewhere?

    Anti inflammatory drugs like arthritis meds are natural candidates for treatment. I was just thinking today that doctors are practical and the fact it was out of favor meant that it wasn't working very well.

    My early interest was from doctors cravenly hoarding the stuff. And I still wonder what they take themselves. While the Gates class are using rare plasma treatments.

    Replies: @Bert, @Colin Wright

    This is old news if one has been following James Todaro’s Twitter feed and others related to hydroxychloroquine. Thousands of doctors in Brazil have organized to promote the hydroxychloroquine protocol among practioners there. Belem and Recife have successfully treated thousands with Covid as outpatients.

  67. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Who's that nasty looking old coot? Oh,wait...

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    OK, who is it then?

    • Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I assume it's Buzz himself?

  68. @Daniel H
    We used to have decent investigative journalists in America. Still, at this point, nobody has come up with a clear, logical, convincing story on how Epstein got a hold of so much money. What did he do all those years to acquire that money? The last real job he had was with Bear Stearns in the very early 80s, from which he was fired for some misconduct or another.

    I'm putting my trust in Ron Unz here.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Thomas Defelstrock, @Alexander Turok, @S. Anonyia

    Epstein got his money from retail magnate (and mega-Zionist) Les Wexner. Our own Whitney Webb covered this extensively last summer. For example:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Digital Samizdat

    Thanks for pointing this out and providing the link. Somehow I missed your comment the first time I read through the comments, early this afternoon. I apologize for that.

    Someone has written that Wexner is the head of the snake. At some level yes but he's also probably a willing cutout for the deep state agencies really running the show. Since Wexner is a rabid Zionist I suspect that at least one of these is Mossad. I wouldn't bet on Maxwell's survival since Mossad is probably the outfit that expedited her father's early entry into hell.

    Whitney Webb has done a wonderful job covering this story. I only became aware of this today.

    It's interesting that all this is happening at the same time as a renewed interest in Pizzagate, a narrative involving an elite ring specializing in sado-sexual pedophilia. The NYT appears terrified at this resurgent interest (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/technology/pizzagate-tiktok.html).

    There's also a Pizzagate connection to the recent, convenient, not very convincing, and just reported "solution" of Maddy McCann's disappearance. There is significant evidence, linking the Podesta brothers, of Pizzagate fame, and their friend, the notorious pedophile, Clement Freud, to Madeleine McCann' disappearance (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/podesta-brothers-revealed/). This evidence is particularly interesting in that it predates Pizzagate by many years and long before the Podestas were well known in the USA, let alone Europe

    Many will be upset by the source but the Daily Stormer has a decent summary of Pizzagate which I found convincing (https://dailystormer.su/singer-robbie-williams-accurately-states-that-pizzagate-was-never-debunked/).

    , @David In TN
    @Digital Samizdat

    Wexner put Epstein in charge of "managing" his money. Epstein proceeded to siphon a good chunk of Wexmer's fortune into his own pocket.

    Wexner also gave Epstein the largest townhouse in Manhattan.

  69. @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780008137656/y648.jpg

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @ATBOTL

    I don’t agree it is such a small thing. I’ve already posted my opinion here, so I won’t elaborate. Anyway, I don’t think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) – there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on. Basically, Epstein was a power-pimp for North American- wealthy European (plus that disgraced figure of Israeli ex-PM) elites who couldn’t get laid with Lolitas. Money couldn’t buy them that.

    Epstein case was a big prostitution ring for wealthy old farts. No more than that- but no less, too.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "I don’t think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) – there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on"

    But there were high profile Americans and Brits to be compromised... we saw quite recently in the hysterical anti-Corbyn campaign how important it is to Israel that the UK maintains its "do what thou wilt" attitude towards them, and having Bill on tape would have been a useful lever in the (as it seemed not long ago) certainty of a future President Hillary.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks for the video.

    Interesting that Weinstein hints at the exact opposite of your hypothesis/conclusion.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  70. I’ve never heard Ghislaine Maxwell’s name uttered. Is the correct pronunciation of her first name Jizz-Lain?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Jim Bob lassiter


    Is the correct pronunciation of her first name Jizz-Lain?
     
    No, even though that makes sense and is more fun to speak than the correct pronunciation, 'Zhill-lane'.
    , @Alden
    @Jim Bob lassiter

    Her name is pronounced Gu len hard g len as in lenny.

  71. @Kyle
    If trump lets her die then I might think about not voting this year.

    Replies: @Anon, @Colin Wright

    ‘If trump lets her die then I might think about not voting this year.’

    You’d have a point.

  72. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    https://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hibernian, @Justvisiting, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    ‘Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.’

    I think not. Hence her allowing herself to be arrested at this point. She’s managed to assure herself that won’t happen. How, I’m not sure.

  73. @anon
    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    Hydroxychloroquine works!!!

    Sort of. If given early, it seems to cut death rates in half.

    (CNN)A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.

    A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
    Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
    "Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

    Aren't they using it in India or somewhere?

    Anti inflammatory drugs like arthritis meds are natural candidates for treatment. I was just thinking today that doctors are practical and the fact it was out of favor meant that it wasn't working very well.

    My early interest was from doctors cravenly hoarding the stuff. And I still wonder what they take themselves. While the Gates class are using rare plasma treatments.

    Replies: @Bert, @Colin Wright

    ‘…My early interest was from doctors cravenly hoarding the stuff…’

    Why would anyone hoard the antidote to a virus so mild that half the time it produces no symptoms at all?

  74. @AKAHorace
    Unrelated but of interest. Falkland islanders have to consider question of national identity:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/06/how-prosperity-transformed-the-falklands

    Doubt you will be able to use it but still interesting.

    Replies: @Thea

    The Telex between Port Stanley and London of the Falkland war is quite entertaining to read. It’s shocking the Brits were so unprepared.

    London: is it true what we hear
    Port Stanley: we have new friends
    London: what is going on?
    Port Stanley: Can’t tell you. orders of our new friends must be obeyed
    London: crap!

    • Thanks: AKAHorace
  75. @ATBOTL
    Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children? I'm sure we are going to see big drops in white Americans' support for Israel soon, including Evangelicals.

    Replies: @Gingerbread man, @FLgeezer, @Alden

    Absolutely not

  76. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    Not being into the occult, I had to look these names up.

    Jack Parsons’ real name was Marvel Whiteside Parsons.

    If you wanted to make up a name for a crazy white scientist, you couldn’t do better.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    They ‘re not crazy.

    They’re committed satanists, practicing black “magick”. Now renamed by our trusty Wikipedia “occultists”. Dig deeper, you’ll find it. The medieval Talmudists were sorcerers, including Isaac Luria father of the Kabbalah. Now Wiki says the incantations are deep and profound “mystical” teachings.

    People will look for power and transcendence in really disgusting ways.

    Replies: @Kronos

  77. Some-one called Toxic masculinity vector over at Z-man’s comments got it right:

    Is there an online betting pool for Ghislaine Maxwell’s pending “suicide”?

    Hello Suicide Hotline? How may we help you?
    This Hillary Clinton, I’d like to place an order please”.

  78. @Anonymous
    Here’s where she was holed up. That’s quite a lot of house and lot size for a million bucks.

    That amount will get you a 1920's pile of shit craftsman in the Cali beach cities.

    https://www.movoto.com/bradford-nh/338-e-washington-rd-bradford-nh-03221/pid_epzkyf4nih/

    Btw, she’s going to kill herself unless she has a dozen 24 hour guards, and they wrap her in nerf.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard

    The house has been on the market for 245 day , so October 2019.
    What was happening that was germane back then?
    Maybe it was a ruse to lend credence to the idea that she was gone and not returning.

  79. Stand by for the Limited hang-out.

    A limited hang-out is when a few facts are presented, but an iron curtain is placed on the rest.

    In this case, Maxwell will get a slap on the wrist for some mild sex crimes, and this will become the historical record of Jeffrey Epstein. Espionage will be a forbidden subject.

    Anyone Google-searching Epstein or Maxwell five years from now will find pages of rehashing of the sex crimes, but nothing about the blackmail or Israeli spying.

    Maxwell will walk free when the hubbub dies down. Cover-up completed.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  80. @brabantian
    @Almost Missouri

    This ties in to an intriguing and plausible analysis on 4chan, saying Ghislaine and the Epstein tapes might figure heavily in the current US political crisis of near-anarchy, dissolution and an uncertain election:


    Epstein is ALIVE, Ghislaine a PIVOT in USA crisis

    Why is Ghislaine Maxwell in the USA?

    It was obvious with the sudden splash of the November 2018 Miami Herald major media stories, reviving the visibility of Epstein's crimes, that there was danger of new criminal prosecutions on US territory

    So why did Jeffrey Epstein return to the USA, for his indictment and alleged suicide?

    The only adequate explanation of this, is that it was all a staged hoax so Epstein could 'disappear'.

    Similarly, there was no reason at all for Ghislaine Maxwell to be in the USA at any time since late 2018

    Possibilities:

    (1) Perhaps Israel and Mossad etc, have signalled they are ready to allow Ghislaine to be killed by assassins - as her father Robert Maxwell may have been 'killed' on the yacht in 1991, if that was genuine - so France or Israel are no longer options for her

    So Ghislaine is going for the best chance of staying alive, in the USA, cutting a deal

    (2) Ghislaine is there to play a role in a plan of ultimate political drama, along with the Epstein video tapes

    Maybe linked to US Attorney General Bill Barr's removal of the NY prosecutor Berman

    Who is going to be taken down? The Clintons? Trump? The Israel lobby? A good section of the leadership of the USA?

    Autumn may see the total breakdown of USA society, after June's record-high month of nearly 4 million US gun-purchasing transactions

    With perhaps:
    - Continuing US riots breaking into armed racial conflict
    - A covid '2nd wave' that could sabotage holding the US November presidential election in any trustable manner

    The situation is ripe for a national emergency government take-over ... a paedophilic scandal involving major figures in all branches of US goverment, would provide additional legitimacy for that

    Ghislaine and the tapes front & centre

     

    Replies: @Flip

    That body that was supposed to be Epstein didn’t look like him. The nose was different. I bet he’s in a witness protection program somewhere. The Clintons and Trump probably agreed it was in their interest to orchestrate a fake death.

  81. “Frannie and John are fooling around with each other out here again, they’re perverts!”
    “Everyone has fun at the Hotel New Hampshire. Some say the first time you go there is the best.”
    “Cause it’s the first time. It sticks with you forever.”
    “Others prefer the second time.”
    “The Hotel New Hampshire. Where the entertainment never stops.”

  82. @Altai
    OT:
    At least 171 students living in or near the frat houses of the University of Washington in Seattle test positive for the virus.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485335/Outbreak-COVID-19-University-Washingtons-Greek-Row.html

    So, were the Haven Monohans hanging out at the protests? Or were they hanging out with the Maiden Monohans who most certainly were?

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Too bad there’s no “so what” button. Any of them sick? Dead?

  83. Didn’t Vito Spadafore hide out in New Hampshire on The Sopranos?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Midnights

    I believe so.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUgHDXOdUos

    , @Anonymous
    @Midnights

    With Johnny Cakes.

  84. @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    I happen to know the town. It is, as advertised, out of the way, but still driveable to city-ish shopping. Mostly middle class with with a sprinkling of high-end places like hers, mostly outside of the main village. It is a pleasant enough area, if a little boring, about seven months out of the year, but quite cold and dark in the winter. Can't imagine Maxwell would have had the temperament to winter there. There is some local skiing, but they are unglamorous places, and probably she doesn't ski anyway. So she must have planned something else for Nov.-March.

    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jane Plain

    She was involved with Scott Borgerson, who is Boston-based.

    https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein

  85. They listen to all our phone calls and have access to all our banking tranactions, and it took months to find her?

  86. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    https://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hibernian, @Justvisiting, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Love the reporter calling the action like it was in a football game.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Hibernian

    LOL

    , @Kronos
    @Hibernian

    Kind of like this?

    https://youtu.be/n4IB1MHJg9I

    Replies: @Hibernian

  87. @Wielgus
    @Not Raul

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    Replies: @Precious, @Dieter Kief, @Hibernian

    Someone who really wanted to hide in the US would go to Idaho or nearby areas of the Mountain West, not New Hampshire a stone’s throw from Boston.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hibernian

    Meh, as far as I can tell, if you're on the FBI's "radar" (phone, real estate, vehicle, delivery address, etc.) anywhere in the US they're gonna find you. Certain states (NH, NV, maybe DE) are better for preserving your privacy from private actors (civil litigants, journalists, etc.) but the modern surveillance grid is so extensive, the Feds aren't going to miss you if they really want you, unless you're willing to go full Eric Rudolph, and even he was caught.

    , @Justvisiting
    @Hibernian

    Much of rural New England does not have cell phone service, minimal paved roads, hills and small mountains for added privacy, and very quiet small towns.

  88. People don’t seem to realize this isn’t about sex at all. Not even that much about money. It’s about the atavistic hatred of one Tribe for the dumb Goy.

  89. @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    I think it’s going to be revealed that the President’s ties to Maxwell, like his ties to Epstein, were purely social (still wrong but not criminal), while the Johns are largely of the Left. You can bet your last dollar that some of these men went beyond being customers and received commissions to bring in other customers, while some men who owned entertainment venues, almost uniformly Leftists, were procurers who received commissions to recruit young women.

    This is not to say that media attempts to emphasize the President’s tenuous ties to Maxwell and Epstein and absolve Clinton especially, but also Dershowitz and others, might not succeed in tipping the election to Biden. It’s also worth noting that neither of the Clintons is on the ballot, the President is, and Joe Biden has not been known to be unfaithful to Jill, he just has a problem acting creepily around women and girls, and has turned a blind eye to one of his sons entering into a relationship with his brother’s widow not long after (or maybe before) the brother died. These things will not be seen in the same way as a candidate’s involvement with Epstein and Maxwell. The President is doomed if he has any but minimal involvement with these two.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  90. @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780008137656/y648.jpg

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @ATBOTL

    We get it, Lot – nothing to see here – especially nothing that might tie back to Israel. Because that is certainly one country that would never ever sponsor a massive espionage/blackmail operation.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so....

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  91. anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:

    New Hampshire … Isn’t that where Nicolas Sarkozy “vacationed” after he was first elected?

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    I clicked “Thanks” and that was sincere, but I also agree with those saying this would have been better behind a “MORE” tag.

  93. @Daniel H
    We used to have decent investigative journalists in America. Still, at this point, nobody has come up with a clear, logical, convincing story on how Epstein got a hold of so much money. What did he do all those years to acquire that money? The last real job he had was with Bear Stearns in the very early 80s, from which he was fired for some misconduct or another.

    I'm putting my trust in Ron Unz here.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Thomas Defelstrock, @Alexander Turok, @S. Anonyia

    Ryan Dawson drew the whole picture some time ago. FTN also did a deep dive on it last year. In fact there were mainstream news reports as far back as Robert Maxwell’s yachting accident and you can follow the threads.

  94. @R.G. Camara
    Take your bets, gentlemen:

    -How quickly will Maxwell die before she testifies?

    (I give her two months)

    -What method will be used?

    Another "suicide"? Or a "random attack" by another prisoner? or will she be another victim of COVID-19?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot, @Buck Ransom

    The exact details of her imminent demise — Covid 19? Strangulation by a butch cellmate? — are still a matter of debate. However, the feds have had a full year to scour every morgue in America to find a convincing body-double corpse for Ms. Maxwell. This can be rolled out on a gurney at the appropriate time, while the real Ghislaine is getting a pre-brunch mani-and-pedi somewhere on the coast of the eastern Mediterranean.

  95. @Hibernian
    @Wielgus

    Someone who really wanted to hide in the US would go to Idaho or nearby areas of the Mountain West, not New Hampshire a stone's throw from Boston.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Justvisiting

    Meh, as far as I can tell, if you’re on the FBI’s “radar” (phone, real estate, vehicle, delivery address, etc.) anywhere in the US they’re gonna find you. Certain states (NH, NV, maybe DE) are better for preserving your privacy from private actors (civil litigants, journalists, etc.) but the modern surveillance grid is so extensive, the Feds aren’t going to miss you if they really want you, unless you’re willing to go full Eric Rudolph, and even he was caught.

  96. @Anonymous
    Sorry gotta take the cynical view... this is not Barr & Wray finally heroically leaping into action.

    Nope. No way.

    Because incoherent Trump doesn't do his homework ---- and is the worst executive branch administrator since Jimmy Carter ---- the firing of the SDNY slimeball in June only triggered the swamp to recruit this witch for service to the deep state... she'll testify against Trump or else.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Carter wasn’t a bad administrator. He was deficient in that he had trouble setting priorities and would get bogged down in minutiae. Carter’s real problem was (1) he had crummy people skills which (2) prevented him from building relationships with members of Congress. Max Friedersdorf, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and people on Tip O’Neill’s staff all noted that Carter and his people arrived without any understanding of how Congress operated and what motivated it’s members.

  97. @Daniel H
    We used to have decent investigative journalists in America. Still, at this point, nobody has come up with a clear, logical, convincing story on how Epstein got a hold of so much money. What did he do all those years to acquire that money? The last real job he had was with Bear Stearns in the very early 80s, from which he was fired for some misconduct or another.

    I'm putting my trust in Ron Unz here.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Thomas Defelstrock, @Alexander Turok, @S. Anonyia

    He got rich people to give him money and then selected stocks using a monkey and a dartboard.

  98. @watzi
    Somewhere I read that the arrest was instigated by the SDNY - where Barr fired the DA two weeks ago...
    A connection?

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @botazefa

  99. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    https://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hibernian, @Justvisiting, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Welcome to our auction, folks.

    Do I hear $10,000?

    $20,000?

    Over there I hear $30,000.

    Going once, going twice.

    I hear $40,000.

    You don’t want her naming you, do you?

    I hear $50,000.

    Our hit man has a strong track record–guaranteed success.

    I hear $60,000.

    Over there, $70,000…

    (and the auction continues well into the night…)

  100. @ATBOTL
    Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children? I'm sure we are going to see big drops in white Americans' support for Israel soon, including Evangelicals.

    Replies: @Gingerbread man, @FLgeezer, @Alden

    >Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children?

    But equally important is the Israelis’ intent to blackmail our politicians. For the way that our
    big shot politicians fawn over them it is plain that the izzies have been successful. It is also
    obvious that Epstein’s billions came from the IDF or Mossad. Israel owns our once admired constitutional republic.

  101. Jizzlane will lie about our President raping girls. Her lies will be very detailed because she is substituting our President in for the real culprits like BJ Clinton, Bill Gates, John Roberts that she observed raping girls. The lies will begin in August, to be followed in September by Second Wave of BULLSHIT-2020 to justify mail-in ballots and Creepy Joe Diaper’s fraudulent election.

    That is the plan. Oh, and facediapers will become The Law Of The Land on January 21, 2021 causing Sailer’s underwear to get very moist.

  102. A bigger story, and maybe tied in here, is that Europol cracked the encryption offered by cell phone retailer EncroChat and their “better than PGP”, “perfect forward secrecy” scheme and rounded up a lot of crime kingpins.

    LONDON (Reuters) – British police said on Thursday they had carried out their biggest operation ever, arresting “iconic” figures and smashing thousands of conspiracies including murder plots after infiltrating a communications service used by criminals.

    Anyone that worked for EncroChat are to be presumed dead, but the rest of us need to know what encryption that company really used.

  103. @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780008137656/y648.jpg

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @ATBOTL

    Sure, Lot.

  104. @Hibernian
    @Wielgus

    Someone who really wanted to hide in the US would go to Idaho or nearby areas of the Mountain West, not New Hampshire a stone's throw from Boston.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Justvisiting

    Much of rural New England does not have cell phone service, minimal paved roads, hills and small mountains for added privacy, and very quiet small towns.

  105. @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    She’ll be fine. Probably get house arrest, flip on some less important scumbags, and ride off into the sunset.

    Was she even technically in hiding from the government or just the media? She likely believes herself to be innocent.

    Epstein’s considerable but common crimes have been exaggerated in the lurid fantasy world of people with boring lives, aided by adventuresses and their lawyers hunting Epstein’s supposedly large fortune, which was much smaller than he claimed and may be nothing after the banks call in their collateral from his estate.

    https://i.harperapps.com/covers/9780008137656/y648.jpg

    “I slept with Clinton, and Gore, and Macron, and Bill Gates, did a lez3way with Hillary and Huma, and so many others. Billionaires and princes flew me back and forth! David Boies would never represent a liar!”

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @ATBOTL

    Nothing to see here goys, just a foreign nation’s intelligence agency mass raping and sexually exploiting children from your ethnic group for political blackmail over your leaders. This happens all the time and is no big deal. If you think this is a big deal, you are the real pervert…

    This is what these neocons think about us.

    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @ATBOTL

    Is Lot a neocon? I thought I remember him saying he opposed the wars.


    mass raping and sexually exploiting children from your ethnic group
     
    You speak as if they are a random sample of children from your ethnic group. Haven't dug very deep into it so I may be wrong here, but my impression is that unlike the girls in the Rotherham case, who described clear threats of violence which were carried out against some of them, the girls here say they were forced but don't go into detail about methods used.

    You can say that from a legal standpoint, it makes no difference. From a legal standpoint, there are some jurisdictions where two seventeen-year-olds can legally have sex, but it becomes rape the day one turns eighteen, and then it becomes legal some months later when the second turns eighteen.

    On this case, Epstein should have been prosecuted, yes. But I don't really see it as the urgent national priority that the media's telling me it is.
  106. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    Tom Sizemore claims he helped set up Bill Clinton for a tryst with Liz Hurley in the 1990s. Later she was in a relationship, and had a son, with the suicided Steve Bing.

  107. So what’s all this about?

    Judge Orders Jeffrey Epstein Accuser To Destroy Files

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-orders-jeffrey-epstein-accuser-destroy-files

  108. @anon
    I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Berman was fired in the SDNY two weeks before Maxwell was charged in the same district.

    Berman impeding an investigation against his co-ethnics? Impossible! That would be like saying Maxwell was seeking refuge at the Israeli Embassy in Paris! Oh wait, nevermind.

    Nadler, Schumer and Schiff need to investigate! Oh-vey!

    Replies: @Yancey Ward

    This was my thought, too- a bit too large a coincidence that Berman is fired, and two weeks later Maxwell is arrested.

  109. @Gordo
    Ghislaine's old dad; Robert 'Cap'n Bob' Maxwell (Hoch) was a Mossad agent.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-mystery-of-maxwells-death-6107041.html

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous

    ‘Cap’n Bob’ ended up as Cap’n bob, bob, bob.

    (Assuming that the whole thing wasn’t a fake: smoke and mirrors, eh?)

  110. @J.Ross
    Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?”

    It’s just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those “potentially compromised American officials” is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, “This Maxwell connection is telling”.
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, “Indeed”.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr’s father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein’s sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    • Troll: Redman, Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Corvinus


    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.
     
    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.

    But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.
     
    The Real News is that neither Trump nor Clinton were involved.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    For what it is worth,...........
     
    Given that it's you talking, it's worth nothing. Whatever it is you may have said.
    , @Prester John
    @Corvinus

    In other words...she's toast!

    , @Anon
    @Corvinus

    Trump's never had any interest in underaged women who are not physically developed, and that's why this isn't going to matter. He's attracted to beauty queens in their 20s, not 13-year olds the way Prince Andrew was.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Precious
    @Corvinus

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein’s sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials.

    That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation, and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years...especially in 2008. In other words, this is about draining the swamp.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    , @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    I have followed the Epstein story for years. Trump saw Epstein socially in the 90's as a member of the East Coast Rich People Set. Trump hasn't hung around with Epstein since around 2000.

    Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the "Clinton Foundation."

    However, neither Clinton or Trump has been identified as having sex with underage girls.

    The MSM paid almost no attention to Jeffrey Epstein for decades. The New York tabloids mentioned him some, as did the Daily Beast, also Ann Coulter.

    There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others.

    What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta.

    I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn't have been arrested.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  111. I just have one question: When will she be suicided?

    Barr’s DOJ is still investigating Epstein’s “suicide”, it’ll be a year in August. This will probably take as long as OJ’s investigation of Nicole Simpson’s murderer — twenty-six years later we’re still eagerly awaiting the result.

    Mossad has completely unchecked and unlimited power in the US.

  112. @black sea
    @Almost Missouri


    In order for her not to die in peculiar circumstances, her testimony will have to be as anodyne as a grizzly tranquilizer: industrial strength nothing-to-see-here.
     
    Maxwell is of Jewish and Huguenot parentage. She'd do well to start explaining that "Huguenot" is the French term for "Black."

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Lurker

    Its possible that Huguenots were another crypto group identity.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Lurker

    Very , very possible the Huguenots were another crypto group, especially as the poor persecuted minority group always managed to be the wealthiest group everywhere they went.

    Replies: @utu

  113. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.





    Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Anon, @Kronos, @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre

  114. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.

    But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    The Real News is that neither Trump nor Clinton were involved.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Alexander Turok


    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.
     
    Unless it is a bid to encourage powerful people who might also be in the files to quash the whole thing. Given that the judge in the case has ordered the documents to be destroyed (a rather odd thing in itself), maybe that's the case.

    I was puzzled as to why Dershowitz all of a sudden sidled up to a Republican administration, as if he was looking for political protection. He was, after all, the guy who helped negotiate the non-prosecution agreement back in 2008. How can that even be done? How can the government enter into an agreement to not prosecute people who might subsequently be found to have committed felonies? I think Professor D. is in it up to his skivvies.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  115. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gordo
    Ghislaine's old dad; Robert 'Cap'n Bob' Maxwell (Hoch) was a Mossad agent.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-mystery-of-maxwells-death-6107041.html

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous

    He did a Barnato

  116. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    For what it is worth,………..

    Given that it’s you talking, it’s worth nothing. Whatever it is you may have said.

  117. @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    It’s only obvious if you think that the entire permanent apparatus of the American government, one of the two major political parties, and members of the other haven’t been trying to eject Trump dating from before his inauguration.

    Otherwise and if Epstein had dirt on Trump screwing underage girls, we would have found out about it long ago.

  118. @Matthew Kelly
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She died of COVID19 next week I heard.

    Replies: @Prester John

    COVID19. Why…that’s PERFECT!! They might be flat-out injecting her with the stuff as I write this.

  119. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    In other words…she’s toast!

  120. Didn’t TVs Heisenberg hide out in New Hampshire? Next time try managing a Cinnabon in Omaha

  121. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    Trump’s never had any interest in underaged women who are not physically developed, and that’s why this isn’t going to matter. He’s attracted to beauty queens in their 20s, not 13-year olds the way Prince Andrew was.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anon

    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew was 17 at the time of the supposed liaison. Not sure about the law in Florida or in the Virgin Islands. While distasteful, copulation between a man of 40 and a youth of 17 is lawful in New York.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

  122. @Hibernian
    @Kronos

    Love the reporter calling the action like it was in a football game.

    Replies: @J1234, @Kronos

    LOL

  123. @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    I’m sure there’s a perfectly innocent explanation for it all!

  124. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein’s sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials.

    That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation, and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years…especially in 2008. In other words, this is about draining the swamp.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Precious

    "The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials."

    By way of working alongside law enforcement who investigates sex crimes and sex trafficking cases.

    "That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation..."

    "and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years…especially in 2008."

    You mean ANYONE who has protected Epstein, including AG Barr.

    "In other words, this is about draining the swamp."

    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    , @Alden
    @Precious

    Maxwell’s indictment has 3 counts of procuring transporting, enticing etc under age minors to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein between 1994-1997

    And 2 counts of perjury in a 2016 deposition Re Epstein and the underage minors.

    The indictment is really about the pimping trafficking etc of under age minors for sex abuse.

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Precious

  125. @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    Neither you nor any other commenter so far has mentioned Lesley Wexner. I find this odd since it was Wexner who bankrolled Epstein. Since Wexner is a billionaire Jew this certainly suggests a Mossad connection.

    Some interesting material is here https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/les-wexner-jeffrey-epstein-victorias-secret.html and here https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1278689683636211712

    Speaking of Mossad, The Israeli deep state has devised yet another scheme to spy on all Americans and have our tax dollars pay for the “service”: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/meet-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm-using-ai-profile-americans-guide-us-lockdown-policy/

    • Replies: @utu
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "Neither you nor any other commenter so far has mentioned Lesley Wexner. " - Yes, Wexner is very important. Wexner => Mega Group. Wexner money + house in NYC => Epstein

    Titans of Industry Join Forces To Work for Jewish Philanthropy, May 4, 1998
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB894240270899870000

    Mega Group, Maxwells and Mossad: The Spy Story at the Heart of the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal
    https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

  126. @Daniel H
    We used to have decent investigative journalists in America. Still, at this point, nobody has come up with a clear, logical, convincing story on how Epstein got a hold of so much money. What did he do all those years to acquire that money? The last real job he had was with Bear Stearns in the very early 80s, from which he was fired for some misconduct or another.

    I'm putting my trust in Ron Unz here.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Thomas Defelstrock, @Alexander Turok, @S. Anonyia

    It appears, from what I’ve listened to regarding the case, he acquired most of his fortune by being Les Wexner’s (CEO of Victoria’s Secret) financial handler. Why Wexner isn’t being grilled more is beyond me. The few times he is question he claims he was a victim too, lol. Epstein even lived on Wexner’s estate part of the time, and kept victims like Maria Farmer there. He used “scouting for models” as an excuse to bring all of the girls into his NYC pad, too.

  127. @northeast
    All roads lead to the Clintons. ABC reporter Robach said it herself. Maxwell has French citizenship and that government would not allow her to be extradited from France to the USA...so why was she in the States at all knowing that if she got caught she would get life in prison?

    She must have already flipped and it's a done deal. The corruption of our elites is staggering.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Nah, all roads lead to Les Wexner and Victoria’s Secret. The Clintons just hopped on for the ride (along with a lot of other bigwigs) at some point.

  128. @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation.
     
    Maybe. Or you could read it the other way: the evidence in this case has existed for a long time, yet no indictment—other than the immediately immolated Epstein—ever occurred. Why? Maybe because Berman was sitting on it. Berman gets fired and boom, two weeks later, Maxwell is suddenly able to be arrested. Since she could easily be in Paris or Israel, she would only have come back to the US if she was reasonably sure American prosecutors would do nothing. Berman being taken off the case was the unexpected change.

    Replies: @Alden, @brabantian, @shazzam

    Wishful thinking.

  129. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Let me repeat a summary of the evidence that I posted a few days ago.

    TLDR Summary of below post:

    -Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s pedophile island.
    -There are pictures of Clinton with Epstein and Maxwell.
    -Maxwell went to the wedding of Clinton's daughter, Chelsea Clinton. There's a picture of that.
    -Maxwell vacationed on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.
    -Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to British Prince Andrew, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin), former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Allen Dershowitz, modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel, a prince, a foreign president, a "well-known" prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain in France
    -Steve Bing, Jeffrey Epstein, Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.
    -Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office and told VF Editor Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein “must not run.” There was also pressured applied by Prince Andrew (and the royal family), who threatened to shut down his restaurant. Ron Burkle and Steve Bing tried to kill the story too.
    -Steve Bing just committed "suicide" in June. Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year, with the cause of death unannounced.
    -Epstein left a dead cat and a bullet on VF Editor Graydon Carter’s lawn.
    -Epstein may have bribed a NYT reporter for good news coverage.
    -ABC News killed a 2016 news story (right before the election) that linked Clinton and Epstein. Amy Robach discussed this suppression of the news story, with this video leaked to conservative journalist James O'Keefe.
    -Whistleblower Ashley Bianco got fired from CBS for blowing the whistle on ABC.
    -Many Harvard faculty members flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, visited his various properties, traveled to his pedophile island, and even visited him in jail.
    -Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.
    -Epstein had a lodge at a fine arts boarding camp. The lodge was located very nearby the girls camp.
    -Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.
    -Epstein’s chef died in his sleep.
    -Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness.
    -Another key detective has fled to Russia.
    -Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope.
    -Epstein’s butler died in jail.
    -Epstein committed suicide.
    -Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York, with a bunch of young women also going in.
    -Epstein won the lottery in 2008.
    -Bill Gates visited Epstein's home several times. He said he found Epstein's lifestyle "intriguing." There's a picture of him with Epstein. He allowed Epstein to have $2 million dollars of his, which were donated to MIT.


    See more below.


    According to Netflix’s new Jeffrey Epstein documentary, Bill Clinton was spotted on Epstein’s island by an eyewitness. See below.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-filthy-rich-netflix-documentary-1006535/

    Although Clinton’s team has since downplayed the association, Epstein and Clinton had a working relationship prior to Eptstein’s arrest in 2005, with flight logs showing Clinton traveling on Epstein’s private plane a total of 26 times. In an interview, Scully, who worked for Epstein from 1999 to 2005, alleges that he saw Clinton at Epstein’s private island, Little St. James, also known as “Pedophile Island.”

    “I saw Bill Clinton sitting with Jeffrey on the living-room porch area, which was Jeffrey’s favorite spot,” Scully said. “I saw no other guests there at that time at all. I just thought, ‘Hey, wow, Jeffrey’s sitting with Bill Clinton.’” Giuffre also says she saw Clinton there, though she never saw him do anything improper. In a statement, a spokesperson for Clinton has said, “This was a lie the first time it was told, and it isn’t true today, no matter how many times it’s repeated.”
     
    Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vhyMO5VuCxI/XVP0a4DcHJI/AAAAAAAAsCk/mWETrgX4u7kWrBY3lRktzW7OeFJ0BUKewCLcBGAs/s1600/bill-epstein-new-a.jpg

    Bill Clinton and Epstein’s “Madame” Ghislaine Maxwell.

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=620

    Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/01/30335480-8485479-image-a-5_1593736259555.jpg

    Maxwell went on a yacht vacation with Chelsea Clinton in 2009.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/21/jeffrey-epstein-trump-clinton-1424120

    Maxwell first grew close with the Clintons after Bill Clinton left office, vacationing on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton in 2009, attending her wedding in 2010, and participating in the Clinton Global Initiative as recently as 2013, years after her name first emerged in accounts of Epstein’s alleged sexual abuse.

     

    Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave Virginia Giuffre.

    Giuffre is alleging that she was trafficked to the following people:

    -Prince Andrew
    -New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson
    -Billionaire financier Glenn Dubin (whose wife is the former Miss Sweden Eva Andersson-Dubin)
    -Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell
    -Allen Dershowitz
    -Modeling mogul Jean-Luc Brunel
    -A prince
    -A foreign president
    - A "well-known" prime minister
    -The owner of a large hotel chain in France

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000504218541-e1576884157341.jpg?w=620

    More interesting information about Bill Clinton from journalist Kirby Sommers.

    See below:

    How Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew coerced Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair not to public a piece Jeffrey Epstein (and Ghislaine Maxwell) written by John Connolly for Vanity Fair.

    Connolly worked with James Patterson on ‘Filthy Rich.’

    He also worked with Vanity Fair and had been working on an article on Epstein right before Epstein’s first arrest. Word about the upcoming article which included information on the girls who had been ensnared into Epstein’s sex trafficking ring – got out.

    Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair’s office at 4 Times Square and told Graydon Carter that his expose of Jeffrey Epstein must not run.

    Prince Andrew (and the royal family) also pressured Carter – threatening to shut down his restaurant The Waverly Inn (which opened in 2006).

    There were a couple of other very powerful men who kept the article from seeing the light of day. These included Ron Burkle (whose son died recently) and movie producer Steve Bing.
    Carter shelved the story.

    Ron Burkle, who is in Epstein’s Black Book is also alleged to have been involved in procuring young girls. Burkle financed a couple of night clubs in Los Angeles – where girls were “harvested”. Burkle would then, again, alleged fly these girls out to both Jeffrey Epstein and movie producer Steve Bing — who paid Burkle (a billionaire) for the girls.

    Sounds a lot like the pyramid trafficking scheme Epstein had with his underage victims where he paid them to bring back other young girls to him.

     

    By the way, Epstein left a bullet and a “dead cat” on the lawn of Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, to make sure the story wouldn’t run. Epstein also may have bribed a NYT reporter for good coverage.

    https://twitter.com/add/status/1164959245894242304

    More on Bill Clinton below.

    ABC News anchor Amy Robach claims that ABC killed a story that she had, which linked Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein. This story was to be released during the 2016 election.

    https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1191725593999675393

    The above clip was released by producer Ashley Bianco to conservative journalist James O’Keefe, who revealed it on Twitter. After ABC found out that Bianco was the whistleblower, they let CBS (which was Bianco’s new employer) know. CBS then fired her. See below.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abc-and-cbs-silent-alleged-epstein-whistleblower-firing-96026

    CBS fired newly hired producer Ashley Bianco, a former ABC employee, on Nov. 6 after ABC executives allegedly contacted the network, believing she had accessed the leaked Robach footage, journalist Yashar Ali previously reported.

     

    Apparently, Harvard faculty flew on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” plane. They also visited his homes in NY, Florida, and New Mexico.

    They visited him in jail too (after an arrest for child sex crimes), which is sort of interesting. They even went to his pedophile island. See below quote.

    https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/harvard-prof-wanted-to-retain-epsteins-gifts-even-after-his-guilty-plea-626809

    Harvard admitted that many faculty members wined and dined with Epstein, even after he was convicted of child sex acts in 2008.

    “A number of the Harvard faculty members we interviewed also acknowledged that they visited Epstein in his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico or the Virgin Islands, visited him in jail or on work release, or traveled on one of his planes. Faculty members told us that they undertook these off-campus activities primarily in their personal capacities rather than as representatives of Harvard. These actions did not implicate Harvard rules or policies,” the investigation concluded.
     
    Epstein had his own personal office at Harvard.

    https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1256583404293742593

    Interlochen Center for the Arts is a fine-arts boarding school and camp. Epstein donated to the institution and even had his own official lodge there. The name of the lodge was “Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge.” His lodge was located near the junior girls camp.

    https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/1150025262870016001

    Courtney Love’s name was found in Epstein’s “Black Book.” Courtney Love’s father claimed that his daughter procured girls for Epstein. He also claims that Epstein disposed of bodies of “worn out” girls, burying them in the desert or dumping them in the water.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1267134269870280706

    Hollywood mogul Steve Bing, financier Jeffrey Epstein, business magnate Ron Burkle, and Bill Clinton use to hang out a lot together back in 2008. They were often seen in the company of very young women.

    See below.

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/

    It was Bill’s close relationships with Burkle and Epstein, however, that were Hillary’s true threat. In an exposé published in Vanity Fair’s July 2008 issue, Todd Purdum — husband of Bill’s former White House press secretary Dee Dee Myers — wrote of the former president’s depraved, “motley crew” of wealthy hangers-on and enablers.

    Clinton had been close with Burkle, a self-made billionaire, for well over a decade. Burkle, 62, had long kept his private plane stocked with girls as young as 19.

    Another member of their circle was Steve Bing, a wealthy playboy with a private jet.
     

    Burkle’s private plane came to be known within his circle as “Air F—k One.”

     

    After Ron Burkle started hanging out with Clinton and stocking the plane with young girls, his circle started referring to his jet as “Air F—k One.”

    Steve Bing just committed "suicide" by jumping off a building. According to the media, Bing had become "depressed" by the lack of human contact during the last few months of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275664977156808706

    Ron Burkle's son was found dead earlier this year. No cause of death was announced....

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/son-billionaire-ron-burkle-dead-age-26-n1112061

    Son of billionaire Ron Burkle dead at age 26.

    Andrew Burkle was declared dead at his home in Beverly Hills, California, after being found unresponsive.
     
    Epstein’s chef died in his sleep recently.

    https://twitter.com/lisapodcasts/status/1254039100790919170

    The key Florida detective who investigated Epstein died of a brief illness. Another key detective has fled to Russia.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1177891271119183872

    Epstein’s banker was found swinging from a rope recently.

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1268884335710679041

    Epstein’s butler died in jail recently.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1269538274109984768

    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak was caught sneaking into Epstein's orgy mansion in New York. So were a number of young women....

    https://twitter.com/KingOfCalais/status/1275522938310098944

    Epstein won the lottery back in 2008.

    https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1178373990877995009

    Bill Gates met with Epstein "numerous times," including at least three times at Epstein's house. Gates said he found Epstein's lifestyle to be "intriguing."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

    In The New York Times article, a spokeswoman for Gates declined to say how many times the pair had met. The paper’s reporting shows that Gates met with Epstein “numerous times,” including at least three times at Epstein’s townhouse. “His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing

     

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/08/business/00epgates1/00epgates1-superJumbo-v3.jpg

    Epstein "directed" Gates to give $2 million to MIT in 2014.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-connections-jeffrey-epstein-mit-donations-ronan-farrow-2019-9

    Now, an additional connection was reported by The New Yorker, which obtained emails from MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the research lab in October 2014.
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rob, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @Known Fact, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Anonymous

    Good lord! Thanks for the dossier!

    Trump needs to order 24/7 Navy Seal protection/suicide prevention detail to this woman, and only allow her to reside in a rubber room, naked until the fucking trial. It’s worth the money, time and effort.

    She’s gonna blow up half the fucking world!

    Oh, and I’d appreciate seeing Bill Clinton spend his sunset years in a state penitentiary.

    It’s the right thing to do.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    She’s gonna blow up half the fucking world!
     
    Unlikely. Just a limited hang-out that doesn't reveal anything too deep. Whatever intelligence connections there might have been to Epstein and Maxwell will not come out. The DOJ and FBI are not in the business of finding out the truth, but rather obscuring it. They only raided Epstein's island after he was dead, weeks after he had been arrested. It's a crock.
  130. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Weird

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOaa3Znh75w

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That was fun watching actors with wildly varying careers in terms of success, thrust together again, trying to act naturally.

    A: Well… long time no see, mr. internationally famous, world-traveling multi-multi millionaire!

    B: How goes it, miss struggling to make your HOA fees for your shitty old condo in the valley!

    What was weird was not a word regarding Jeffery Jones.

    Not… one… word.

  131. @Alexander Turok
    @Corvinus


    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.
     
    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.

    But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.
     
    The Real News is that neither Trump nor Clinton were involved.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.

    Unless it is a bid to encourage powerful people who might also be in the files to quash the whole thing. Given that the judge in the case has ordered the documents to be destroyed (a rather odd thing in itself), maybe that’s the case.

    I was puzzled as to why Dershowitz all of a sudden sidled up to a Republican administration, as if he was looking for political protection. He was, after all, the guy who helped negotiate the non-prosecution agreement back in 2008. How can that even be done? How can the government enter into an agreement to not prosecute people who might subsequently be found to have committed felonies? I think Professor D. is in it up to his skivvies.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Mr. Anon

    They ordered the lawyers to destroy their copies, the docs themselves were not destroyed.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  132. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Good lord! Thanks for the dossier!

    Trump needs to order 24/7 Navy Seal protection/suicide prevention detail to this woman, and only allow her to reside in a rubber room, naked until the fucking trial. It’s worth the money, time and effort.

    She’s gonna blow up half the fucking world!

    Oh, and I’d appreciate seeing Bill Clinton spend his sunset years in a state penitentiary.

    It’s the right thing to do.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    She’s gonna blow up half the fucking world!

    Unlikely. Just a limited hang-out that doesn’t reveal anything too deep. Whatever intelligence connections there might have been to Epstein and Maxwell will not come out. The DOJ and FBI are not in the business of finding out the truth, but rather obscuring it. They only raided Epstein’s island after he was dead, weeks after he had been arrested. It’s a crock.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  133. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    Trump's never had any interest in underaged women who are not physically developed, and that's why this isn't going to matter. He's attracted to beauty queens in their 20s, not 13-year olds the way Prince Andrew was.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew was 17 at the time of the supposed liaison. Not sure about the law in Florida or in the Virgin Islands. While distasteful, copulation between a man of 40 and a youth of 17 is lawful in New York.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Art Deco

    Florida age of consent is 18, so any naughtiness in that state would be illegal.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Art Deco

    The age of consent in England where the first encounter is supposed to happened is 16. However the legal age for a paid encounter, i.e prostitution, is 18.

    Laws change in different legislative locales, but under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child the minimum age for paid sex is 18 everywhere.

    What did Andrew know regarding Roberts being paid by Epstein and when did he know it?

    , @Alden
    @Art Deco

    The copulation occurred in London. She claims she was a prostitute at the time she copulated with Andrew. Prostitution is illegal in the UK.

    The issue is illegal prostitution. Hardly the first time a British prince had a prostitute.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  134. @Corvinus
    @J.Ross

    "Blackmail agents with intelligence agency connections are getting away with child molestation, it is possible that compromised American officials are covering up for themselves, and you lost the thread?"

    It's just the caginess of Mr. Sailer on display. One of those "potentially compromised American officials" is Trump. All our resident pattern recognizer has to do is go back to his archives. Here, let me be of assistance.

    216 said, "This Maxwell connection is telling".
    Mr. Sailer, in response, replied, "Indeed".

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence

    There are other musings by our intrepid host on this topic from Summer/Fall 2019.

    It seems more than likely that AG Barr is running interference for his own father and for Trump. Barr's father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr the younger previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation. The junior Barr certainly does not want any information to come out against his old man, which is one reason why he got rid of the head honcho at the SDNY.

    NOTICE Trump and Epstein were quite chummy.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28320376/jeffrey-epstein-president-trump-connection/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hosted-party-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-28-girls-report-claims

    Then there is Alan Dershowitz, deeply connected with Epstein and Maxwell, who is looking out for his own skin.

    https://biglawbusiness.com/dershowitz-wins-unsealing-of-epstein-related-defamation-case

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein's sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Mr. Anon, @Prester John, @Anon, @Precious, @David In TN

    I have followed the Epstein story for years. Trump saw Epstein socially in the 90’s as a member of the East Coast Rich People Set. Trump hasn’t hung around with Epstein since around 2000.

    Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the “Clinton Foundation.”

    However, neither Clinton or Trump has been identified as having sex with underage girls.

    The MSM paid almost no attention to Jeffrey Epstein for decades. The New York tabloids mentioned him some, as did the Daily Beast, also Ann Coulter.

    There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others.

    What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta.

    I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn’t have been arrested.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Trump hasn’t hung around with Epstein since around 2000."

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein's proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    "What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta."

    Not exactly. The #MeToo movement played a prominent role in Fall 2017, and a result of prominent actresses who command resources and media attention, Epstein's sweet deal was rightfully scrutinized.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/topics/jeffrey-epstein

    "There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others."

    I wouldn't say "puff pieces".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/business/01epstein.html

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

    "Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the “Clinton Foundation.”

    Absolutely.

    "I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn’t have been arrested."

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Precious

  135. @Precious
    @Wielgus

    Probably she never left the USA. A big place where hiding is probably relatively easy. Perhaps her first hearing will be just in time to incriminate Trump, who is embattled enough as it is.

    ^Wishful thinking. SDNY has spent three years investigating Trump and came up empty. If Maxwell had any dirt on Trump it would have been used long before now.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Hardly wishful thinking – I personally could care less whether she has something on Trump or not and don’t see Biden as a significant improvement on the overgrown child.

  136. @Midnights
    Didn't Vito Spadafore hide out in New Hampshire on The Sopranos?

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Anonymous

    I believe so.

  137. “I must admit that I’ve lost the thread on this story.”

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    • Replies: @anon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    In before alllllll the nostalgic Boomers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uTFF_3MaA

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Cortes
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Submarines are no longer the safe haven of yore:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5302823/Swede-tortured-killed-sub-trip.html

  138. @Jim Bob lassiter
    I've never heard Ghislaine Maxwell's name uttered. Is the correct pronunciation of her first name Jizz-Lain?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Is the correct pronunciation of her first name Jizz-Lain?

    No, even though that makes sense and is more fun to speak than the correct pronunciation, ‘Zhill-lane’.

  139. @Anonymous
    Here’s where she was holed up. That’s quite a lot of house and lot size for a million bucks.

    That amount will get you a 1920's pile of shit craftsman in the Cali beach cities.

    https://www.movoto.com/bradford-nh/338-e-washington-rd-bradford-nh-03221/pid_epzkyf4nih/

    Btw, she’s going to kill herself unless she has a dozen 24 hour guards, and they wrap her in nerf.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri, @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Whatever her other issues, Ghislaine has good taste in real estate.

  140. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    I have followed the Epstein story for years. Trump saw Epstein socially in the 90's as a member of the East Coast Rich People Set. Trump hasn't hung around with Epstein since around 2000.

    Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the "Clinton Foundation."

    However, neither Clinton or Trump has been identified as having sex with underage girls.

    The MSM paid almost no attention to Jeffrey Epstein for decades. The New York tabloids mentioned him some, as did the Daily Beast, also Ann Coulter.

    There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others.

    What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta.

    I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn't have been arrested.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Trump hasn’t hung around with Epstein since around 2000.”

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein’s proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    “What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta.”

    Not exactly. The #MeToo movement played a prominent role in Fall 2017, and a result of prominent actresses who command resources and media attention, Epstein’s sweet deal was rightfully scrutinized.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/topics/jeffrey-epstein

    “There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others.”

    I wouldn’t say “puff pieces”.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/business/01epstein.html

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

    “Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the “Clinton Foundation.”

    Absolutely.

    “I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn’t have been arrested.”

    Maybe, maybe not.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the "Me-Too" crusade against the Clinton's good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened.

    As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another.

    Lately some liberals have called for a "reckoning" about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton's "treatment of women." Sure they are. They waited until Kennedy was dead and the Clintons finished politically.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Precious
    @Corvinus

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein’s proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    1 Trump flight, in 1997 : Palm Beach International Airport -> Newark Liberty International Airport

    26 Clinton flights, as late as 2003. Five of those flights he ditched his Secret Service detail, including one five-leg junket around Asia.

    Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

    “Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  141. @Precious
    @Corvinus

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein’s sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials.

    That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation, and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years...especially in 2008. In other words, this is about draining the swamp.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    “The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials.”

    By way of working alongside law enforcement who investigates sex crimes and sex trafficking cases.

    “That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation…”

    “and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years…especially in 2008.”

    You mean ANYONE who has protected Epstein, including AG Barr.

    “In other words, this is about draining the swamp.”

    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Corvinus


    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.
     
    What does this have to do with Jews? Are you attacking the Jews? Because some of your comments appear to contradict an antisemitic stance:

    The fixation on the Jews here by some commenters is both fascinating and disturbing.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/people-who-think-they-are-not-white-rabbi-tells-jews-to-cut-up-their-white-privilege-cards/#comment-1169369

    Pray tell, are Jews in your closet and in your bed?
     
    https://www.unz.com/forum/jew-coup-the-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-trumps-impeachment/#comment-3618952

    Or are you trying to make fun of antisemites? Looks to me like you made an argument attacking Trump, someone challenged your argument, did not bring up the Jews at all, and rather than defend your argument with "Trump is bad because [an argument against him I actually believe in], you respond with "Trump is bad because [he's doing something I actually think is perfectly fine but look here at these antisemites aren't they dumb]." This isn't the first time you've done it. From your comment history:


    Since when is Trump truly on the side of Flyover Country? He has yet to drain the swamp and continues to rely on Jews and neo-cons for crafting his policies. But his proponents will do ANYTHING to gloss over Trump’s foibles because they would have to painfully admit they fell for an act. So, like the GOP, his supporters fall off the cliff like lemmings.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-biden-the-hindenburg-of-21st-century-america/#comment-3991207

    I'm angry about the neocon stuff, but when did Trump ever portray himself as an antisemite? And what fraction of Trump supporters thought he was? Yes, there is a fraction of retarded Trumpers who'll call you a Jew if you ask where the wall is. But it's very small. It's either dishonesty or craziness for you to attack Trump supporters in general based on Trump's relationships with Jews.

    Whenever anti-semites condemn Trump, his idiot fans often scream that's it's a liberal conspiracy to undermine him. They've never shown any actual evidence for this. I think it's unlikely for three reasons:

    1. Most Leftists really believe Trump to be serving the white nationalist agenda and couldn't convincing argue that he is not.

    2. Most believe it is deeply immoral to ally with the "far-right" even if it would result in liberal political gains. See the attacks on Bernie for accepting the endorsement from Joe Rogan.

    3. Most liberals could not "pass the intellectual Turing test" for conservatives or nationalists. They understand only caricatures of what their enemies believe. If it was common for them to pretend to be WNs, most would fail and there would be many examples of them doing so, advocating policies no actual WN would advocate, etc.

    Corvinus seems to me to be the first example of someone who isn't doing it but is getting close to doing so. I think he's a Bidenista who thinks suppressing the WN vote can be his contribution to Biden's victory.

    I say this as someone who thinks Trump should be stripped of the Republican nomination and won't vote for him in November. But I think my opposition to Trump is different from his. Mine's based on policy, his I suspect is based at least in part on a deeper, personal dislike. I posit that a big part of Trump derangement syndrome is an anger that he has had such a degree of sexual success. I'm not saying that's a pathology. In fact, I find it strange that in our society if you meet someone who's arrogant, insulting, and generally cruel to others and then learn that he's rich, it's considered understandable to respond with "that ain't fair," but that the same reaction is treated as pathological if you are responding to his sexual success.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  142. Ghis was also a partier:

    Woman claims Ghislaine Maxwell raped her ’20-30 times’; willing to testify: ‘She is just as evil as Jeffrey Epstein’

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ghislaine-maxwell-rape-testify-evil-epstein

  143. @syonredux
    The world is full of weird connections. I just found out that Ghislaine Maxwell's sister (Christine Maxwell) is married to physicist/astronomer Roger Malina, and Roger Malina is the son of Frank Malina, who was one of the founders of JPL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina


    And this means that, via Ghislaine, Jeffrey Epstein was linked to all-time weirdos like Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and L Ron Hubbard.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Russ, @wren, @BB753, @Jane Plain, @Lurker, @SunBakedSuburb

    Here’s another connection: In 1924 a married American woman, Pauline Pierce, traveled alone to Paris to visit a friend and subsequently had an affair with her friend’s houseguest, Aleister Crowley. Pauline returned to her rich husband, Marvin Pierce, in New York and, eight months later, gave birth to Barbara Bush. The 41st First Lady of the United States was the Great Beast’s moonchild. Life can be so wonderfully weird.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Aleister Crowley was a flamboyant and dashing man when he was young. He abused a large variety of drugs and aged very rapidly. He looked like death warmed over at the age of 40. In 1924 he would have been 49 years old and it's possible he was no longer physically capable of getting his sperm to an egg. At least one of his biographers has him doing sex escapades into his 60's but I am skeptical. Father Time is pretty pityless to people who don't learn early that damn near everything is dangerous.

    I tried to find out when his last child was born but google failed me.

    , @Alden
    @SunBakedSuburb

    That means her children and grandchildren are all descendants of Crowley.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  144. @Peter Akuleyev
    @watzi

    An obvious one. Barr fired Berman because Berman was still digging into the Epstein case. Barr and Trump failed to get their patsy in and the SDNY now has to move quickly before Barr shuts down the investigation. I assume everyone here knows that Barr‘s father got Epstein his prep school teaching job that started his odd career.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Precious, @Hibernian, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @prime noticer

    why are you allowed to post here?

  145. This woman has more wrong with her than I can even comprehend.

    She should have her American citizenship revoked.

    If that is not done she should certainly be deported after she gets out of prison, if she ever does. I hope whoever sentences her throws the book at her, none of that maximum sentence of 35 years but the judge only gives 5 years nonsense.

  146. @SunBakedSuburb
    "I must admit that I've lost the thread on this story."

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    Replies: @anon, @Cortes

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    In before alllllll the nostalgic Boomers…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    In before alllllll the nostalgic Boomers…
     
    A more appropriate link would be this classic composition by Sir Richard Starkey, MBE, who enters his ninth decade next Tuesday:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-blaYP-0Ug&t=11s

    (I don't think that clip was shown in the US, where the networks demanded three more minutes of commercials per half-hour than did the BBC. Americans can see these "fillers", mostly English classics, such as this Flanders and Swann gem on the DVD compilations, often found at public libraries.

    (They don't seem to have covered "On the Amazon", likely because it was too racy, but Yanks can hear it capably done by this finance major from Ramapo College.)

  147. @Mr. Anon
    @Alexander Turok


    If he were guilty, trying to unseal those files would be an odd thing to do.
     
    Unless it is a bid to encourage powerful people who might also be in the files to quash the whole thing. Given that the judge in the case has ordered the documents to be destroyed (a rather odd thing in itself), maybe that's the case.

    I was puzzled as to why Dershowitz all of a sudden sidled up to a Republican administration, as if he was looking for political protection. He was, after all, the guy who helped negotiate the non-prosecution agreement back in 2008. How can that even be done? How can the government enter into an agreement to not prosecute people who might subsequently be found to have committed felonies? I think Professor D. is in it up to his skivvies.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    They ordered the lawyers to destroy their copies, the docs themselves were not destroyed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Alexander Turok


    They ordered the lawyers to destroy their copies, the docs themselves were not destroyed.
     
    It's never made clear what the documents are or who they belong to. What would stop whomever from destroying them, once any copies were destroyed?
  148. @SunBakedSuburb
    "I must admit that I've lost the thread on this story."

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    Replies: @anon, @Cortes

  149. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Midnights
    Didn't Vito Spadafore hide out in New Hampshire on The Sopranos?

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Anonymous

    With Johnny Cakes.

  150. @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    We get it, Lot - nothing to see here - especially nothing that might tie back to Israel. Because that is certainly one country that would never ever sponsor a massive espionage/blackmail operation.

    Replies: @Lot

    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so….

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so….
     
    Wexner was Epstein's backer, not his blackmailee. Kimbal Musk seems to have been a failed attempt to get to Elon Musk. A Roaly concievably gives one some leverage over the British Government. Dershowitz was proably just helping himself to some freebies.

    In any event, if Epstein was spying / blackmailing for Israel, it doesn't mean he was doing that exclusively. He might have had his own gig on the side.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  151. utu says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Neither you nor any other commenter so far has mentioned Lesley Wexner. I find this odd since it was Wexner who bankrolled Epstein. Since Wexner is a billionaire Jew this certainly suggests a Mossad connection.

    Some interesting material is here https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/les-wexner-jeffrey-epstein-victorias-secret.html and here https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1278689683636211712

    Speaking of Mossad, The Israeli deep state has devised yet another scheme to spy on all Americans and have our tax dollars pay for the “service”: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/meet-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm-using-ai-profile-americans-guide-us-lockdown-policy/

    Replies: @utu

    “Neither you nor any other commenter so far has mentioned Lesley Wexner. “ – Yes, Wexner is very important. Wexner => Mega Group. Wexner money + house in NYC => Epstein

    Titans of Industry Join Forces To Work for Jewish Philanthropy, May 4, 1998
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB894240270899870000

    Mega Group, Maxwells and Mossad: The Spy Story at the Heart of the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal
    https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

  152. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-accused-jeffrey-epstein-procurer-caught-in-1-million-home.html

    Walter White hid out “on a rural New Hampshire property” too…..

    I have distant relations in Vermont and New Hampshire but its 1 of those states like Idaho or Kansas that you don’t really know much about and maybe have never even met anybody from there.

    I vaguely recall a buddy from middle school who was from a military family….he sat next to me on the bus…..he was born up there….I THINK they have a shipyard on their brief coastline but that’s about all I know about the state.

    Isn’t Comey’s daughter the lead prosecutor on this case? Is Comey pulling the strings behind the scenes because some DIA/CIA spooks left him out of the loop about how Epstein was their asset or Mossads asset?

    He should tread carefully unless a Jason Bourne suicides him in some freak kayak or car accident.

    1 of those things “don’t ask questions you don’t want the answers to….”

    Pull a string to unravel a package and a monster hops out from under the paper and chews your face off….

    After reading about the “stay behind groups” the spooks/Pentagon created in Europe that became fascist terror groups in the 70s/80s and that found shelter in Franco’s Spain.

    I wouldn’t want to f–k w those “deep deep spooks” who wacked JFK and set up and funded terrorist groups from al Qaeda to militia movement nut fingers who were behind the OKC Bombing(Strassmeir, who per the BBC has ties to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and was in the USA under a top secret coded diplomatic Visa but who claimed to be an illegal alien lol)….and they set up Gladio groups in Europe and probably “above top secret” Gladio Groups in the USA as well who have access to various wmd arsenals the Pentagon probably doesn’t know about….

    I dunno but I’m pretty sure Miss Maxwell was or is some kind of CIA spook blackmail asset….

  153. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    Kronos places down $20 on a terminally ill “Jackie Ruby” rubbing her out within a one month time frame. May be either a prison guard or inmate.

    https://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Hibernian, @Justvisiting, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    I was in the kitchen with my best friend at his house. His mom was in the front room watching tv. Suddenly,she screamed, “He’s been shot!” I wished I had seen it, I got to admit.

  154. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    OK, who is it then?

    Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    I assume it’s Buzz himself?

  155. To have remained unfindable, all Maxwell needed was one trusted interlocutor (in Woody Allen’s parlance, “a beard.”) Just one. I assume she did not have that. That could be her epitaph. Or, perhaps, “Here lies G. Maxwell, who understood the strong magnitude of ‘high school is never over.’ “ My thoughts naturally turn to epitaphs, because that is what Maxwell likely will be needing soon.

  156. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Lot

    I don't agree it is such a small thing. I've already posted my opinion here, so I won't elaborate. Anyway, I don't think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) - there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on. Basically, Epstein was a power-pimp for North American- wealthy European (plus that disgraced figure of Israeli ex-PM) elites who couldn't get laid with Lolitas. Money couldn't buy them that.

    Epstein case was a big prostitution ring for wealthy old farts. No more than that- but no less, too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxYiIRkLTE

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Stebbing Heuer

    “I don’t think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) – there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on”

    But there were high profile Americans and Brits to be compromised… we saw quite recently in the hysterical anti-Corbyn campaign how important it is to Israel that the UK maintains its “do what thou wilt” attitude towards them, and having Bill on tape would have been a useful lever in the (as it seemed not long ago) certainty of a future President Hillary.

  157. @ATBOTL
    @Lot


    Nothing to see here goys, just a foreign nation's intelligence agency mass raping and sexually exploiting children from your ethnic group for political blackmail over your leaders. This happens all the time and is no big deal. If you think this is a big deal, you are the real pervert...
     
    This is what these neocons think about us.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Is Lot a neocon? I thought I remember him saying he opposed the wars.

    mass raping and sexually exploiting children from your ethnic group

    You speak as if they are a random sample of children from your ethnic group. Haven’t dug very deep into it so I may be wrong here, but my impression is that unlike the girls in the Rotherham case, who described clear threats of violence which were carried out against some of them, the girls here say they were forced but don’t go into detail about methods used.

    You can say that from a legal standpoint, it makes no difference. From a legal standpoint, there are some jurisdictions where two seventeen-year-olds can legally have sex, but it becomes rape the day one turns eighteen, and then it becomes legal some months later when the second turns eighteen.

    On this case, Epstein should have been prosecuted, yes. But I don’t really see it as the urgent national priority that the media’s telling me it is.

  158. @Art Deco
    @Anon

    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew was 17 at the time of the supposed liaison. Not sure about the law in Florida or in the Virgin Islands. While distasteful, copulation between a man of 40 and a youth of 17 is lawful in New York.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    Florida age of consent is 18, so any naughtiness in that state would be illegal.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @YetAnotherAnon

    A lot of the age of consent laws become moot or trivial when the game turns into one of coercion, payment and interstate/trans-national movement of women for illicit sexual activities.

  159. @Digital Samizdat
    @Daniel H

    Epstein got his money from retail magnate (and mega-Zionist) Les Wexner. Our own Whitney Webb covered this extensively last summer. For example:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @David In TN

    Thanks for pointing this out and providing the link. Somehow I missed your comment the first time I read through the comments, early this afternoon. I apologize for that.

    Someone has written that Wexner is the head of the snake. At some level yes but he’s also probably a willing cutout for the deep state agencies really running the show. Since Wexner is a rabid Zionist I suspect that at least one of these is Mossad. I wouldn’t bet on Maxwell’s survival since Mossad is probably the outfit that expedited her father’s early entry into hell.

    Whitney Webb has done a wonderful job covering this story. I only became aware of this today.

    [MORE]

    It’s interesting that all this is happening at the same time as a renewed interest in Pizzagate, a narrative involving an elite ring specializing in sado-sexual pedophilia. The NYT appears terrified at this resurgent interest (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/technology/pizzagate-tiktok.html).

    There’s also a Pizzagate connection to the recent, convenient, not very convincing, and just reported “solution” of Maddy McCann’s disappearance. There is significant evidence, linking the Podesta brothers, of Pizzagate fame, and their friend, the notorious pedophile, Clement Freud, to Madeleine McCann’ disappearance (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/podesta-brothers-revealed/). This evidence is particularly interesting in that it predates Pizzagate by many years and long before the Podestas were well known in the USA, let alone Europe

    Many will be upset by the source but the Daily Stormer has a decent summary of Pizzagate which I found convincing (https://dailystormer.su/singer-robbie-williams-accurately-states-that-pizzagate-was-never-debunked/).

  160. @Digital Samizdat
    @Daniel H

    Epstein got his money from retail magnate (and mega-Zionist) Les Wexner. Our own Whitney Webb covered this extensively last summer. For example:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/mega-group-maxwells-and-mossad-the-spy-story-at-the-heart-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @David In TN

    Wexner put Epstein in charge of “managing” his money. Epstein proceeded to siphon a good chunk of Wexmer’s fortune into his own pocket.

    Wexner also gave Epstein the largest townhouse in Manhattan.

  161. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Trump hasn’t hung around with Epstein since around 2000."

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein's proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    "What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta."

    Not exactly. The #MeToo movement played a prominent role in Fall 2017, and a result of prominent actresses who command resources and media attention, Epstein's sweet deal was rightfully scrutinized.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/topics/jeffrey-epstein

    "There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others."

    I wouldn't say "puff pieces".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/business/01epstein.html

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

    "Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the “Clinton Foundation.”

    Absolutely.

    "I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn’t have been arrested."

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Precious

    Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the “Me-Too” crusade against the Clinton’s good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened.

    As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another.

    Lately some liberals have called for a “reckoning” about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton’s “treatment of women.” Sure they are. They waited until Kennedy was dead and the Clintons finished politically.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the “Me-Too" crusade against the Clinton’s good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened."

    Again, maybe or maybe not.

    "As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another."

    Corrected for accuracy --> "As long as a politician serves the Left or the Right, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump are examples.

    "Lately some liberals have called for a “reckoning” about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton’s “treatment of women.”

    How about also a reckoning for Trump's past treatment of women?

    Replies: @David In TN

  162. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Trump hasn’t hung around with Epstein since around 2000."

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein's proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    "What changed? A chance to attack Trump through his labor secretary Alex Acosta."

    Not exactly. The #MeToo movement played a prominent role in Fall 2017, and a result of prominent actresses who command resources and media attention, Epstein's sweet deal was rightfully scrutinized.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/topics/jeffrey-epstein

    "There were puff pieces about Epstein in New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, WSJ, and a few others."

    I wouldn't say "puff pieces".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/business/01epstein.html

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

    "Bill Clinton saw Epstein a lot after leaving office. His motive was financial. Epstein donated heavily to the “Clinton Foundation.”

    Absolutely.

    "I suspect that if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Epstein wouldn’t have been arrested."

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Precious

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein’s proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    1 Trump flight, in 1997 : Palm Beach International Airport -> Newark Liberty International Airport

    26 Clinton flights, as late as 2003. Five of those flights he ditched his Secret Service detail, including one five-leg junket around Asia.

    Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

    “Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Precious

    1 flight that we know of. Trump partied with Epstein on several occasions. Allegedly banned Epstein as result of a sexual assault.

  163. “I’ve lost the thread on this story.” -Steve Sailer

    This gives me the clever, protective epigram I will need when the Kamala Harris Justice Department comes to take me away to a re-education camp at Oberlin. I will also avoid being taken away by confronting the interviewers with a vapid, stupid, look on my face. I am going to start practicing “the stupid look” now in front of a mirror. There are certainly many role models available in the demonstrations.

  164. @Bert
    @Reg Cæsar

    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish. Most of the Revolutionary War battles in which the American fighters were heavily Scots-Irish resulted in the annilhilation or crippling of the British force, Bennington, Ramsour's Mill, Kings Mountain, Cowpens, Musgrove's Mill, Blackstock's Plantation, Guilford Courthouse.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish.

    So that’s why the Granite-headed state went for FDR three times. I thought it was the Frogs, but there were plenty of them in Maine and Vermont, too.

    “Live free– off someone else.”

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's possible they voted for him because they were more urban and industrialized - Manchester, Nashua and Portsmouth.

    , @Bert
    @Reg Cæsar

    You destroyed your credibility with that ignorant comment. Hoover carried New Hampshire in 1932, one of only six states that he won. In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.

    Your slander of Scots-Irish is baseless. Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union. Never heard of "brown lung"? I'm not surprised.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

  165. @Lurker
    @black sea

    Its possible that Huguenots were another crypto group identity.

    Replies: @Alden

    Very , very possible the Huguenots were another crypto group, especially as the poor persecuted minority group always managed to be the wealthiest group everywhere they went.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Alden

    "We are not many. But we French Huguenots—or, at least, those of us who know our own history—are linked with the Jewish people by too many bonds of culture, history, and religious beliefs to betray that old alliance. The world is now experiencing a new wave of Jew hatred, with many Muslims hoping openly for a new Holocaust and most Europeans all too willing to let one happen. The most tenacious, vilest, and oldest of hatreds is reaching a new high. In such dark and troubled times, may the God of Israel give us the strength to proclaim our everlasting gratitude to the Jews. May he give us the grace, which we do not deserve, of sharing their torments today and their victory tomorrow."

    Armand Laferrère is a former adviser to the French minister of the interior, Nicolas Sarkozy, and a member of the board of directors of the Franco-Israeli Friendship Association. His last essay in AZURE was “Rethinking International Law” (AZURE 22, Autumn 2005). (http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=43)

    The Huguenots and the Jews
    http://sassienie.com/archivelinks/Who%20were%20the%20Huguenots.pdf

    Replies: @Alden

  166. @anon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Because you became enchanted with the idea of Ghislaine in her little sub at the bottom of the ocean.

    In before alllllll the nostalgic Boomers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uTFF_3MaA

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In before alllllll the nostalgic Boomers…

    A more appropriate link would be this classic composition by Sir Richard Starkey, MBE, who enters his ninth decade next Tuesday:

    (I don’t think that clip was shown in the US, where the networks demanded three more minutes of commercials per half-hour than did the BBC. Americans can see these “fillers”, mostly English classics, such as this Flanders and Swann gem on the DVD compilations, often found at public libraries.

    (They don’t seem to have covered “On the Amazon”, likely because it was too racy, but Yanks can hear it capably done by this finance major from Ramapo College.)

  167. @Precious
    @Corvinus

    More like 2004. But that does not mean Trump was other than in the know about Epstein’s proclivities. Remember, Trump’s name appears on the flight log for Epstein’s plane, and Epstein’s brother claimed that Trump flew on the aircraft “numerous times”. And they did enjoy the company of younger women.

    1 Trump flight, in 1997 : Palm Beach International Airport -> Newark Liberty International Airport

    26 Clinton flights, as late as 2003. Five of those flights he ditched his Secret Service detail, including one five-leg junket around Asia.

    Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

    “Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    1 flight that we know of. Trump partied with Epstein on several occasions. Allegedly banned Epstein as result of a sexual assault.

  168. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the "Me-Too" crusade against the Clinton's good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened.

    As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another.

    Lately some liberals have called for a "reckoning" about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton's "treatment of women." Sure they are. They waited until Kennedy was dead and the Clintons finished politically.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the “Me-Too” crusade against the Clinton’s good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened.”

    Again, maybe or maybe not.

    “As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> “As long as a politician serves the Left or the Right, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump are examples.

    “Lately some liberals have called for a “reckoning” about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton’s “treatment of women.”

    How about also a reckoning for Trump’s past treatment of women?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    Republicans turn on their own. The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are.

    When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick? As far as "reckonings" go, why don't the self-proclaimed "morally pure" liberals go first?

    We will have a long wait.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  169. @SunBakedSuburb
    @syonredux

    Here's another connection: In 1924 a married American woman, Pauline Pierce, traveled alone to Paris to visit a friend and subsequently had an affair with her friend's houseguest, Aleister Crowley. Pauline returned to her rich husband, Marvin Pierce, in New York and, eight months later, gave birth to Barbara Bush. The 41st First Lady of the United States was the Great Beast's moonchild. Life can be so wonderfully weird.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Alden

    Aleister Crowley was a flamboyant and dashing man when he was young. He abused a large variety of drugs and aged very rapidly. He looked like death warmed over at the age of 40. In 1924 he would have been 49 years old and it’s possible he was no longer physically capable of getting his sperm to an egg. At least one of his biographers has him doing sex escapades into his 60’s but I am skeptical. Father Time is pretty pityless to people who don’t learn early that damn near everything is dangerous.

    I tried to find out when his last child was born but google failed me.

  170. @Corvinus
    @Precious

    "The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials."

    By way of working alongside law enforcement who investigates sex crimes and sex trafficking cases.

    "That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation..."

    "and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years…especially in 2008."

    You mean ANYONE who has protected Epstein, including AG Barr.

    "In other words, this is about draining the swamp."

    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.

    What does this have to do with Jews? Are you attacking the Jews? Because some of your comments appear to contradict an antisemitic stance:

    The fixation on the Jews here by some commenters is both fascinating and disturbing.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/people-who-think-they-are-not-white-rabbi-tells-jews-to-cut-up-their-white-privilege-cards/#comment-1169369

    Pray tell, are Jews in your closet and in your bed?

    https://www.unz.com/forum/jew-coup-the-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-trumps-impeachment/#comment-3618952

    Or are you trying to make fun of antisemites? Looks to me like you made an argument attacking Trump, someone challenged your argument, did not bring up the Jews at all, and rather than defend your argument with “Trump is bad because [an argument against him I actually believe in], you respond with “Trump is bad because [he’s doing something I actually think is perfectly fine but look here at these antisemites aren’t they dumb].” This isn’t the first time you’ve done it. From your comment history:

    Since when is Trump truly on the side of Flyover Country? He has yet to drain the swamp and continues to rely on Jews and neo-cons for crafting his policies. But his proponents will do ANYTHING to gloss over Trump’s foibles because they would have to painfully admit they fell for an act. So, like the GOP, his supporters fall off the cliff like lemmings.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-biden-the-hindenburg-of-21st-century-america/#comment-3991207

    I’m angry about the neocon stuff, but when did Trump ever portray himself as an antisemite? And what fraction of Trump supporters thought he was? Yes, there is a fraction of retarded Trumpers who’ll call you a Jew if you ask where the wall is. But it’s very small. It’s either dishonesty or craziness for you to attack Trump supporters in general based on Trump’s relationships with Jews.

    Whenever anti-semites condemn Trump, his idiot fans often scream that’s it’s a liberal conspiracy to undermine him. They’ve never shown any actual evidence for this. I think it’s unlikely for three reasons:

    1. Most Leftists really believe Trump to be serving the white nationalist agenda and couldn’t convincing argue that he is not.

    2. Most believe it is deeply immoral to ally with the “far-right” even if it would result in liberal political gains. See the attacks on Bernie for accepting the endorsement from Joe Rogan.

    3. Most liberals could not “pass the intellectual Turing test” for conservatives or nationalists. They understand only caricatures of what their enemies believe. If it was common for them to pretend to be WNs, most would fail and there would be many examples of them doing so, advocating policies no actual WN would advocate, etc.

    Corvinus seems to me to be the first example of someone who isn’t doing it but is getting close to doing so. I think he’s a Bidenista who thinks suppressing the WN vote can be his contribution to Biden’s victory.

    I say this as someone who thinks Trump should be stripped of the Republican nomination and won’t vote for him in November. But I think my opposition to Trump is different from his. Mine’s based on policy, his I suspect is based at least in part on a deeper, personal dislike. I posit that a big part of Trump derangement syndrome is an anger that he has had such a degree of sexual success. I’m not saying that’s a pathology. In fact, I find it strange that in our society if you meet someone who’s arrogant, insulting, and generally cruel to others and then learn that he’s rich, it’s considered understandable to respond with “that ain’t fair,” but that the same reaction is treated as pathological if you are responding to his sexual success.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alexander Turok

    "What does this have to do with Jews? Are you attacking the Jews? Because some of your comments appear to contradict an antisemitic stance"

    Relax. I'm taking the commenter to task. It's a number of posters here (as well as Mr. Sailer himself) who always go back to that group as if they are to blame for everything bad in the world. It's tragically comical.

    "It’s either dishonesty or craziness for you to attack Trump supporters in general based on Trump’s relationships with Jews."

    Not in the slightest. Those same commenters believe that a person's associations with Jews leads that person to carry their water, at best, or to become virulent anti-white, at worst. Does not part of Trump's "Drain The Swamp" include removing subversive elements from our government? Do not those same posters here generally believe that Jews are "subversive"? So why is Trump "palsy-walsy" with them? Is it not hypocritical?

    I would posit that Most Alt Righters really believe Trump is not catering to the white nationalist agenda to serve his own purposes, and that most conservatives understand only caricatures of what their ideological enemies believe. See how that works, friend?

    "I posit that a big part of Trump derangement syndrome is an anger that he has had such a degree of sexual success."

    So do you grab women by the p----, too? They just LOVE that, right, Chateau Heartiste?

  171. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bert


    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish.
     
    So that's why the Granite-headed state went for FDR three times. I thought it was the Frogs, but there were plenty of them in Maine and Vermont, too.

    "Live free-- off someone else."

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Bert

    It’s possible they voted for him because they were more urban and industrialized – Manchester, Nashua and Portsmouth.

  172. @JohnnyWalker123
    I'm jumping the gun here, but let me be the first to say.





    Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly, @Anon, @Kronos, @Almost Missouri, @Mike Tre

    Do you think the question was asked, “If we put her in the same cell as Jeff, would it be too obvious?”

  173. I must admit that I’ve lost the thread on this story.

    ‘Why is my beautiful country turning into a third world shithole?’

    The ‘man who notices’ can’t see what is staring him in the face.

    You can go back to sleep now.

  174. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @James B. Shearer
    "In New Hampshire, of all places."

    Hard to understand what she was thinking especially since it appears she bought the place after Epstein's death. Maybe she wasn't just hiding from the US government.

    Replies: @BB753, @anon

    My guess: she’s was waiting on the government to work out some kind of deal for her. The feds and Maxwell will work together to shift the Epstein narrative away from “intelligence” and spying to a simple #metoo scandal. Maxwell will testify to some minor things that keeps major American politicians out of trouble and then the whole thing will be swept under the rug. Anyone who brings it up will be denounced as a conspiracy theorist using the trial as evidence. Third parties working for the government will edit your Wikipedia page to call you a promoter of debunked conspiracy theories. A Hollywood movie with mysterious sources of funding will paint the whole thing as Metoo. Another Netflix documentary or two will help to do the same.

  175. The idea of blackmailing politicians by filming them having sex with an underage prostitute seems so passe. Is anybody shocked by sexual perversion anymore? I think not.

    I would assume nowadays best practice is to film a politician saying something about the criminality or intelligence of blacks. If they use the n-word, well, that’s would be like 500 times worse than murdering a prostitute. Top shelf blackmail material.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @SimpleSong

    A while ago, rewatching the old Sean Connery 007 film From Russia with Love wherein Bond is secretly filmed by the KGB on the job in bed with a blonde lady, I imagined Bond's reaction

    "Surely you don't think I can be blackmailed with this? I'm a bachelor and my parents are both dead. And my mother was a French woman."
    "Of course not Mr. Bond. We have a worldwide pornography distribution network. The James Bond Under the Covers series of films has been highly lucrative for us."

  176. @Art Deco
    @Anon

    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew was 17 at the time of the supposed liaison. Not sure about the law in Florida or in the Virgin Islands. While distasteful, copulation between a man of 40 and a youth of 17 is lawful in New York.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    The age of consent in England where the first encounter is supposed to happened is 16. However the legal age for a paid encounter, i.e prostitution, is 18.

    Laws change in different legislative locales, but under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child the minimum age for paid sex is 18 everywhere.

    What did Andrew know regarding Roberts being paid by Epstein and when did he know it?

  177. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Lot

    I don't agree it is such a small thing. I've already posted my opinion here, so I won't elaborate. Anyway, I don't think it is some huge intelligence operation (Mossad, CIA,..) - there were no Russians, Chinese, various Arabs or Indians to spy on. Basically, Epstein was a power-pimp for North American- wealthy European (plus that disgraced figure of Israeli ex-PM) elites who couldn't get laid with Lolitas. Money couldn't buy them that.

    Epstein case was a big prostitution ring for wealthy old farts. No more than that- but no less, too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxYiIRkLTE

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Stebbing Heuer

    Thanks for the video.

    Interesting that Weinstein hints at the exact opposite of your hypothesis/conclusion.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Weinstein is certain that Mossad is involved (see his reference to Elie Cohen at the end of this vid):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIKQLmZGTSM

    Personally, I am still skeptical. Not that I would have any illusions about Israel lobby or anything else; just, this all seems to me too thin if we regard possible results. This all looks more like a display of ordinary depravity than a high intelligence operation.

    Anyway, we'll see.... One should keep an open mind.

  178. @Alexander Turok
    @Mr. Anon

    They ordered the lawyers to destroy their copies, the docs themselves were not destroyed.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    They ordered the lawyers to destroy their copies, the docs themselves were not destroyed.

    It’s never made clear what the documents are or who they belong to. What would stop whomever from destroying them, once any copies were destroyed?

  179. @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so....

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so….

    Wexner was Epstein’s backer, not his blackmailee. Kimbal Musk seems to have been a failed attempt to get to Elon Musk. A Roaly concievably gives one some leverage over the British Government. Dershowitz was proably just helping himself to some freebies.

    In any event, if Epstein was spying / blackmailing for Israel, it doesn’t mean he was doing that exclusively. He might have had his own gig on the side.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Mr. Anon


    A Roaly concievably........
     
    That should have been "Royal".
  180. Anon[877] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Not being into the occult, I had to look these names up.

    Jack Parsons' real name was Marvel Whiteside Parsons.

    If you wanted to make up a name for a crazy white scientist, you couldn't do better.

    Replies: @Anon

    They ‘re not crazy.

    They’re committed satanists, practicing black “magick”. Now renamed by our trusty Wikipedia “occultists”. Dig deeper, you’ll find it. The medieval Talmudists were sorcerers, including Isaac Luria father of the Kabbalah. Now Wiki says the incantations are deep and profound “mystical” teachings.

    People will look for power and transcendence in really disgusting ways.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Anon

    One of these days I need to read this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Discovered-Michael-Hoffman/dp/0990954714/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=michael+hoffman+ii&qid=1593835462&sprefix=micheal+hoff&sr=8-7

    Talks about how Pharisees took over Judaism, grafting Babylonian and Egyptian theology/magic into the framework. Hoffman has written stuff that is both convincing and terrifying.

    (If your a constipated Episcopalian, I promise you’ll shit your pants while reading his work on Freemasonry and it’s influence on Protestant thought.)

  181. utu says:
    @Alden
    @Lurker

    Very , very possible the Huguenots were another crypto group, especially as the poor persecuted minority group always managed to be the wealthiest group everywhere they went.

    Replies: @utu

    “We are not many. But we French Huguenots—or, at least, those of us who know our own history—are linked with the Jewish people by too many bonds of culture, history, and religious beliefs to betray that old alliance. The world is now experiencing a new wave of Jew hatred, with many Muslims hoping openly for a new Holocaust and most Europeans all too willing to let one happen. The most tenacious, vilest, and oldest of hatreds is reaching a new high. In such dark and troubled times, may the God of Israel give us the strength to proclaim our everlasting gratitude to the Jews. May he give us the grace, which we do not deserve, of sharing their torments today and their victory tomorrow.”

    Armand Laferrère is a former adviser to the French minister of the interior, Nicolas Sarkozy, and a member of the board of directors of the Franco-Israeli Friendship Association. His last essay in AZURE was “Rethinking International Law” (AZURE 22, Autumn 2005). (http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=43)

    The Huguenots and the Jews
    http://sassienie.com/archivelinks/Who%20were%20the%20Huguenots.pdf

    • Replies: @Alden
    @utu

    Thank you for the information.

  182. @Hibernian
    @Kronos

    Love the reporter calling the action like it was in a football game.

    Replies: @J1234, @Kronos

    Kind of like this?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Kronos

    Kinda sorta.

  183. @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    They ‘re not crazy.

    They’re committed satanists, practicing black “magick”. Now renamed by our trusty Wikipedia “occultists”. Dig deeper, you’ll find it. The medieval Talmudists were sorcerers, including Isaac Luria father of the Kabbalah. Now Wiki says the incantations are deep and profound “mystical” teachings.

    People will look for power and transcendence in really disgusting ways.

    Replies: @Kronos

    One of these days I need to read this.

    Talks about how Pharisees took over Judaism, grafting Babylonian and Egyptian theology/magic into the framework. Hoffman has written stuff that is both convincing and terrifying.

    (If your a constipated Episcopalian, I promise you’ll shit your pants while reading his work on Freemasonry and it’s influence on Protestant thought.)

  184. @ATBOTL
    Is it starting to sink in among white Americans that the Israeli government had a massive organized operation to rape and sexually exploit white gentile American children? I'm sure we are going to see big drops in white Americans' support for Israel soon, including Evangelicals.

    Replies: @Gingerbread man, @FLgeezer, @Alden

    Only if the Evangelicals know that Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad spies who exploited American girls. The Mossad connection is well covered up by the media.

  185. @Art Deco
    @Anon

    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew was 17 at the time of the supposed liaison. Not sure about the law in Florida or in the Virgin Islands. While distasteful, copulation between a man of 40 and a youth of 17 is lawful in New York.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason, @Alden

    The copulation occurred in London. She claims she was a prostitute at the time she copulated with Andrew. Prostitution is illegal in the UK.

    The issue is illegal prostitution. Hardly the first time a British prince had a prostitute.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Prostitution is a class B misdemeanor in New York, a petty crime. I doubt the situation is much different in Britain. The age of consent in Britain is 16, so statutory rape would not be an issue there. The issue in re the Prince isn't criminal activity, but disreputable activity not befitting the Queen's son.

    Replies: @Alden

  186. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Not only would Epstein probably not have been arrested if Hillary had won in 2016, the “Me-Too" crusade against the Clinton’s good friend Harvey Weinstein likely would not have happened."

    Again, maybe or maybe not.

    "As long as a politician serves the Left, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy is a prime example. Bill Clinton another."

    Corrected for accuracy --> "As long as a politician serves the Left or the Right, he is supported no matter his transgressions. Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump are examples.

    "Lately some liberals have called for a “reckoning” about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton’s “treatment of women.”

    How about also a reckoning for Trump's past treatment of women?

    Replies: @David In TN

    Republicans turn on their own. The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are.

    When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick? As far as “reckonings” go, why don’t the self-proclaimed “morally pure” liberals go first?

    We will have a long wait.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Republicans turn on their own."

    Democrats AND Republicans.

    "The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are."

    Trump has put himself in a position to help in his own destruction.

    "When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick?"

    Trump has had his peeps run interference for him as well. It's still ongoing.

    "As far as “reckonings” go, why don’t the self-proclaimed “morally pure” liberals go first?"

    You mean "morally pure" evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump's own sins.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Reg Cæsar

  187. @SunBakedSuburb
    @syonredux

    Here's another connection: In 1924 a married American woman, Pauline Pierce, traveled alone to Paris to visit a friend and subsequently had an affair with her friend's houseguest, Aleister Crowley. Pauline returned to her rich husband, Marvin Pierce, in New York and, eight months later, gave birth to Barbara Bush. The 41st First Lady of the United States was the Great Beast's moonchild. Life can be so wonderfully weird.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Alden

    That means her children and grandchildren are all descendants of Crowley.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    No, that means SunBakedSuburb has bizarre fantasies. Marvin Pierce was in 1924 an up-and-coming publishing house employee who had only recently decamped from the Bronx to a suburban home in Rye, NY. The Pierce's had two pre-school children, no domestic help, and no relatives closer than Ohio. I doubt the lady of the house was doing much international travel.

    Replies: @Alden

  188. @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    Israel needed to blackmail Dersh, Les Wexner, Kimbal Musk and Prince Andrew? If you say so….
     
    Wexner was Epstein's backer, not his blackmailee. Kimbal Musk seems to have been a failed attempt to get to Elon Musk. A Roaly concievably gives one some leverage over the British Government. Dershowitz was proably just helping himself to some freebies.

    In any event, if Epstein was spying / blackmailing for Israel, it doesn't mean he was doing that exclusively. He might have had his own gig on the side.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    A Roaly concievably……..

    That should have been “Royal”.

  189. @utu
    @Alden

    "We are not many. But we French Huguenots—or, at least, those of us who know our own history—are linked with the Jewish people by too many bonds of culture, history, and religious beliefs to betray that old alliance. The world is now experiencing a new wave of Jew hatred, with many Muslims hoping openly for a new Holocaust and most Europeans all too willing to let one happen. The most tenacious, vilest, and oldest of hatreds is reaching a new high. In such dark and troubled times, may the God of Israel give us the strength to proclaim our everlasting gratitude to the Jews. May he give us the grace, which we do not deserve, of sharing their torments today and their victory tomorrow."

    Armand Laferrère is a former adviser to the French minister of the interior, Nicolas Sarkozy, and a member of the board of directors of the Franco-Israeli Friendship Association. His last essay in AZURE was “Rethinking International Law” (AZURE 22, Autumn 2005). (http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=43)

    The Huguenots and the Jews
    http://sassienie.com/archivelinks/Who%20were%20the%20Huguenots.pdf

    Replies: @Alden

    Thank you for the information.

  190. Bert says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Bert


    A motto coined as a toast by General John Stark, an Ulsterman of the northern outpost of Scots-Irish.
     
    So that's why the Granite-headed state went for FDR three times. I thought it was the Frogs, but there were plenty of them in Maine and Vermont, too.

    "Live free-- off someone else."

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Bert

    You destroyed your credibility with that ignorant comment. Hoover carried New Hampshire in 1932, one of only six states that he won. In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.

    Your slander of Scots-Irish is baseless. Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union. Never heard of “brown lung”? I’m not surprised.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Bert

    He's right about FDR carrying NH 3 times; he also carried it in '40 and '44, and the margins were larger, about 6% in '40 and 4% in '44. I agree the remark about the Scots-Irish was a low blow. In my own reply to his comment I pointed out that NH was more industrial than VT and ME, which stayed Repub even in '36.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bert


    Never heard of “brown lung”? I’m not surprised.
     
    My brother-in-law did the funerals of a couple of miners from a major Appalachian disaster a few years ago; I know full-well the dangers of life in the mountains.

    Brother-in-law is as Scot-Irish as you can get, including never having heard the term till I told him. His father, Frank, was christened Franklin Roosevelt. The Scots-Irish put him over the top in several states that Hoover won in 1928. (They didn't like the Catholic Smith, it seems.) They also explain that the two presidents whose vote percentages in the South were the highest (by quite a margin) were FDR and Wilson. Scots-Irish weren't "yellow dogs", but the ultimate swing vote.

    In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.
     
    New York was close to his worst state that he won four times. That is due to his losing nearly every county in his native upstate four times-- actually, seven, if you count 1920, 1928, and 1930. No president had done as poorly in his home territory until Trump came along to pull an FDR-in-reverse.

    Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union.
     
    You mean anti-union. The upland was pro-Union, or more accurately, anti-Confederacy. They didn't care for the planters and their beloved (ahd useless) African pets.

    Scots-Irish is part of my old-stock mongrel mix, so I'm hardly out to "slander" them. Voting for war criminals slanders oneself.
  191. @Stebbing Heuer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks for the video.

    Interesting that Weinstein hints at the exact opposite of your hypothesis/conclusion.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Weinstein is certain that Mossad is involved (see his reference to Elie Cohen at the end of this vid):

    Personally, I am still skeptical. Not that I would have any illusions about Israel lobby or anything else; just, this all seems to me too thin if we regard possible results. This all looks more like a display of ordinary depravity than a high intelligence operation.

    Anyway, we’ll see…. One should keep an open mind.

  192. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    Republicans turn on their own. The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are.

    When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick? As far as "reckonings" go, why don't the self-proclaimed "morally pure" liberals go first?

    We will have a long wait.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Republicans turn on their own.”

    Democrats AND Republicans.

    “The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are.”

    Trump has put himself in a position to help in his own destruction.

    “When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick?”

    Trump has had his peeps run interference for him as well. It’s still ongoing.

    “As far as “reckonings” go, why don’t the self-proclaimed “morally pure” liberals go first?”

    You mean “morally pure” evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump’s own sins.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy's shenanigans. And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level.

    Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn't run for President due to his checkered personal history. When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office, Trump began to think he could make the White House.

    Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus



    “Republicans turn on their own.”
     
    Democrats AND Republicans.
     
    You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?

    You mean “morally pure” evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump’s own sins.
     
    No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind, considers himself morally pure. It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman.


    https://qt.azureedge.net/resources/quotes-images-large/somoza-may-be-a-son-of-a-bitch-but-hes-our-son-of-a-bitch-f3ae1e880f2fbb24bd5e1e51d026a4ad.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

  193. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    The copulation occurred in London. She claims she was a prostitute at the time she copulated with Andrew. Prostitution is illegal in the UK.

    The issue is illegal prostitution. Hardly the first time a British prince had a prostitute.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Prostitution is a class B misdemeanor in New York, a petty crime. I doubt the situation is much different in Britain. The age of consent in Britain is 16, so statutory rape would not be an issue there. The issue in re the Prince isn’t criminal activity, but disreputable activity not befitting the Queen’s son.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Check the laws in Britain instead of assuming prostitution, pimping or paying prostitutes is legal in Britain.

    What Epstein and Maxwell did is no different from what used to be known as corporate hospitality. That’s parties where escort women are hired and the host, not the men with which they have sex with pays the prostitutes. What with women attending corporate events as executives doesn’t happen that much any more.

    Virginia acted as the prostitute, Andrew was the customer, Epstein Maxwell were the pimps. And it’s illegal in Britain whatever the age of anyone involved.

    Most customers of contemporary massage businesses and brothels in the old days didn’t pay the girls. They pay the pimps procurers massage business owners. Customers of Escort girls usually pay with credit cards to the escort agency, not the women directly. The women are paid with tips and a share of the fee. If they can get it.

    The Virginia Andrew sex took place in England in Maxwell’s house. If she was 18 at the time it was prostitution. If she was 17 at the time it was prostitution with an added penalty because of her age.

    Once more, age of consent has nothing to do with prostitution. Prince Andrew enjoyed hospitality Virginia provided some of the hospitality

    Replies: @Art Deco

  194. @Alden
    @SunBakedSuburb

    That means her children and grandchildren are all descendants of Crowley.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No, that means SunBakedSuburb has bizarre fantasies. Marvin Pierce was in 1924 an up-and-coming publishing house employee who had only recently decamped from the Bronx to a suburban home in Rye, NY. The Pierce’s had two pre-school children, no domestic help, and no relatives closer than Ohio. I doubt the lady of the house was doing much international travel.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Thanks. I wonder how the story started.

  195. @Kronos
    @Hibernian

    Kind of like this?

    https://youtu.be/n4IB1MHJg9I

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Kinda sorta.

  196. @Bert
    @Reg Cæsar

    You destroyed your credibility with that ignorant comment. Hoover carried New Hampshire in 1932, one of only six states that he won. In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.

    Your slander of Scots-Irish is baseless. Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union. Never heard of "brown lung"? I'm not surprised.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

    He’s right about FDR carrying NH 3 times; he also carried it in ’40 and ’44, and the margins were larger, about 6% in ’40 and 4% in ’44. I agree the remark about the Scots-Irish was a low blow. In my own reply to his comment I pointed out that NH was more industrial than VT and ME, which stayed Repub even in ’36.

  197. @SimpleSong
    The idea of blackmailing politicians by filming them having sex with an underage prostitute seems so passe. Is anybody shocked by sexual perversion anymore? I think not.

    I would assume nowadays best practice is to film a politician saying something about the criminality or intelligence of blacks. If they use the n-word, well, that's would be like 500 times worse than murdering a prostitute. Top shelf blackmail material.

    Replies: @Ray P

    A while ago, rewatching the old Sean Connery 007 film From Russia with Love wherein Bond is secretly filmed by the KGB on the job in bed with a blonde lady, I imagined Bond’s reaction

    “Surely you don’t think I can be blackmailed with this? I’m a bachelor and my parents are both dead. And my mother was a French woman.”
    “Of course not Mr. Bond. We have a worldwide pornography distribution network. The James Bond Under the Covers series of films has been highly lucrative for us.”

  198. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Republicans turn on their own."

    Democrats AND Republicans.

    "The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are."

    Trump has put himself in a position to help in his own destruction.

    "When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick?"

    Trump has had his peeps run interference for him as well. It's still ongoing.

    "As far as “reckonings” go, why don’t the self-proclaimed “morally pure” liberals go first?"

    You mean "morally pure" evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump's own sins.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Reg Cæsar

    No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy’s shenanigans. And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level.

    Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn’t run for President due to his checkered personal history. When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office, Trump began to think he could make the White House.

    Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office...
     
    No, at that time she had been promoted from internship and was on paid staff.

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    Replies: @anon, @David In TN

    , @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy’s shenanigans."

    Trump's detractors could reasonably argue he has been far worse.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-ted-kennedy-donor


    The ideological purity that the Republican base demands of other politicians doesn’t appear to extend to Trump, whether it’s who he gives money to, or the positions he takes, which change from year to year or even day to day. His supporters are not going to hold him to any substantive position. He hates Washington, and he hates politicians, and that’s enough. His message is that if voters want to break the system, they should vote for him because he knows how the system works, and he can blow it up.
     
    "And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level."

    Along with Trump. Are you being naive or purposely obtuse here? The fact of the matter is that all three "men" have engaged in egregious, immoral conduct, and their supporters for a host of reasons, defend them, at worst, or ignore their transgressions, at best.

    "Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn’t run for President due to his checkered personal history."

    Supposedly, huh. OK, where is your evidence to lend support to that position? And you do realize that given Trump's (alleged) sentiments, then that would indicate Republicans AND conservatives are willing to set aside their Christian principles for political gain, right, especially since he has repeatedly committed sinful conduct without remorse.

    "Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair."

    Again, proof to support your assertion? Do you have a direct quote indicating Trump's intention, or are you merely speculating?

    "My point was Clinton got away with it. Whether she was an intern or staff is immaterial."

    Clinton got impeached, but was not convicted. He didn't get away with anything.

  199. @Bert
    @Reg Cæsar

    You destroyed your credibility with that ignorant comment. Hoover carried New Hampshire in 1932, one of only six states that he won. In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.

    Your slander of Scots-Irish is baseless. Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union. Never heard of "brown lung"? I'm not surprised.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

    Never heard of “brown lung”? I’m not surprised.

    My brother-in-law did the funerals of a couple of miners from a major Appalachian disaster a few years ago; I know full-well the dangers of life in the mountains.

    Brother-in-law is as Scot-Irish as you can get, including never having heard the term till I told him. His father, Frank, was christened Franklin Roosevelt. The Scots-Irish put him over the top in several states that Hoover won in 1928. (They didn’t like the Catholic Smith, it seems.) They also explain that the two presidents whose vote percentages in the South were the highest (by quite a margin) were FDR and Wilson. Scots-Irish weren’t “yellow dogs”, but the ultimate swing vote.

    In 1936, FDR won New Hampshire by 2%; no other state won by FDR that year was won by such a minimal margin.

    New York was close to his worst state that he won four times. That is due to his losing nearly every county in his native upstate four times– actually, seven, if you count 1920, 1928, and 1930. No president had done as poorly in his home territory until Trump came along to pull an FDR-in-reverse.

    Industrialists located factories in the upland South because the population there was hard-working and anti-Union.

    You mean anti-union. The upland was pro-Union, or more accurately, anti-Confederacy. They didn’t care for the planters and their beloved (ahd useless) African pets.

    Scots-Irish is part of my old-stock mongrel mix, so I’m hardly out to “slander” them. Voting for war criminals slanders oneself.

  200. @Corvinus
    @David In TN

    "Republicans turn on their own."

    Democrats AND Republicans.

    "The Never Trump Republicans have been trying to destroy Trump since before he was nominated. And still are."

    Trump has put himself in a position to help in his own destruction.

    "When did Donald Trump do what Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquiddick?"

    Trump has had his peeps run interference for him as well. It's still ongoing.

    "As far as “reckonings” go, why don’t the self-proclaimed “morally pure” liberals go first?"

    You mean "morally pure" evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump's own sins.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Reg Cæsar

    “Republicans turn on their own.”

    Democrats AND Republicans.

    You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?

    You mean “morally pure” evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump’s own sins.

    No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind, considers himself morally pure. It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?"

    War is hell, right? Each side who emerges as the victor in a war comes out as saying there were more "righteous" in the cause, and therefore their conduct was less egregious or less immoral. But the fact of the matter is that both sides acted brutally.

    "No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind"...

    No True Scottsman fallacy employed on your part.

    "It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman."

    The fact of the matter is that evangelicals have turned a blind eye to his scandals, with some even touting that he is a "good Christian". [Clinton's supporters engaged in similar conduct when asked about his "faith".]

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/01/evangelicals-trump-policy-defeat-us-election-2020-christians


    “You can say without any exaggeration President Trump is the most pro-Israel, pro-life president in history,” Jeffries said to thunderous applause before his introduction of Iowa’s governor, Kim Reynolds, who touted her state’s recent signing of a strict anti-abortion bill...“Trump’s a good guy who’s backed by a guy with a solid religious foundation,” said Trish Murphy, a Sioux Falls resident who was bussed into the venue that morning. When asked whether Trump himself was a man of faith, she paused and said she thought he was. [Joanne] Craig was quicker to answer that question. “Absolutely, he is,” she said. “He just expresses it differently than me.”
     
    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?

    Humans are tribal. Within each "tribe", there is a considerable amount of confirmation bias. We want to ally ourselves to people who think like us, and defend against people who do not think like us. The result? Everyone is stuck in a box. No worries, our species needs its delusions. Delusion is the easiest and most convenient cope of all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  201. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy's shenanigans. And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level.

    Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn't run for President due to his checkered personal history. When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office, Trump began to think he could make the White House.

    Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office…

    No, at that time she had been promoted from internship and was on paid staff.

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    Nothing formal, just what her co-workers had to say. You know, word of mouth.

    , @David In TN
    @Reg Cæsar

    My point was Clinton got away with it. Whether she was an intern or staff is immaterial.

  202. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    No, that means SunBakedSuburb has bizarre fantasies. Marvin Pierce was in 1924 an up-and-coming publishing house employee who had only recently decamped from the Bronx to a suburban home in Rye, NY. The Pierce's had two pre-school children, no domestic help, and no relatives closer than Ohio. I doubt the lady of the house was doing much international travel.

    Replies: @Alden

    Thanks. I wonder how the story started.

  203. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Prostitution is a class B misdemeanor in New York, a petty crime. I doubt the situation is much different in Britain. The age of consent in Britain is 16, so statutory rape would not be an issue there. The issue in re the Prince isn't criminal activity, but disreputable activity not befitting the Queen's son.

    Replies: @Alden

    Check the laws in Britain instead of assuming prostitution, pimping or paying prostitutes is legal in Britain.

    What Epstein and Maxwell did is no different from what used to be known as corporate hospitality. That’s parties where escort women are hired and the host, not the men with which they have sex with pays the prostitutes. What with women attending corporate events as executives doesn’t happen that much any more.

    Virginia acted as the prostitute, Andrew was the customer, Epstein Maxwell were the pimps. And it’s illegal in Britain whatever the age of anyone involved.

    Most customers of contemporary massage businesses and brothels in the old days didn’t pay the girls. They pay the pimps procurers massage business owners. Customers of Escort girls usually pay with credit cards to the escort agency, not the women directly. The women are paid with tips and a share of the fee. If they can get it.

    The Virginia Andrew sex took place in England in Maxwell’s house. If she was 18 at the time it was prostitution. If she was 17 at the time it was prostitution with an added penalty because of her age.

    Once more, age of consent has nothing to do with prostitution. Prince Andrew enjoyed hospitality Virginia provided some of the hospitality

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    I'm not assuming anything is 'legal'. I'm assuming prostitution is a petty misdemeanor, because it usually is. And I'm not seeing in this tale where a commercial transaction is supposed to have taken place between Prince Andrew and any other party. (I'm not persuaded that Andrew ever nailed her, btw; this woman's accusations against prominent men have been too scattershot to be credible without supporting documentation).

    Replies: @Alden

  204. @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office...
     
    No, at that time she had been promoted from internship and was on paid staff.

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    Replies: @anon, @David In TN

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    Nothing formal, just what her co-workers had to say. You know, word of mouth.

  205. @Reg Cæsar
    @David In TN


    When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office...
     
    No, at that time she had been promoted from internship and was on paid staff.

    The question is why she, out of all those capable interns, was the one promoted.

    Replies: @anon, @David In TN

    My point was Clinton got away with it. Whether she was an intern or staff is immaterial.

  206. @David In TN
    @Corvinus

    No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy's shenanigans. And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level.

    Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn't run for President due to his checkered personal history. When Bill Clinton got away with having sex with an intern in the Oval Office, Trump began to think he could make the White House.

    Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    “No, stupid. Trump has done nothing like Ted Kennedy’s shenanigans.”

    Trump’s detractors could reasonably argue he has been far worse.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-ted-kennedy-donor

    The ideological purity that the Republican base demands of other politicians doesn’t appear to extend to Trump, whether it’s who he gives money to, or the positions he takes, which change from year to year or even day to day. His supporters are not going to hold him to any substantive position. He hates Washington, and he hates politicians, and that’s enough. His message is that if voters want to break the system, they should vote for him because he knows how the system works, and he can blow it up.

    “And the Kennedys and Clinton lowered the bar to below ground level.”

    Along with Trump. Are you being naive or purposely obtuse here? The fact of the matter is that all three “men” have engaged in egregious, immoral conduct, and their supporters for a host of reasons, defend them, at worst, or ignore their transgressions, at best.

    “Supposedly Donald Trump had believed he couldn’t run for President due to his checkered personal history.”

    Supposedly, huh. OK, where is your evidence to lend support to that position? And you do realize that given Trump’s (alleged) sentiments, then that would indicate Republicans AND conservatives are willing to set aside their Christian principles for political gain, right, especially since he has repeatedly committed sinful conduct without remorse.

    “Trump would not have run for President had Clinton been removed from office due to the Monica Lewinsky Affair.”

    Again, proof to support your assertion? Do you have a direct quote indicating Trump’s intention, or are you merely speculating?

    “My point was Clinton got away with it. Whether she was an intern or staff is immaterial.”

    Clinton got impeached, but was not convicted. He didn’t get away with anything.

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus



    “Republicans turn on their own.”
     
    Democrats AND Republicans.
     
    You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?

    You mean “morally pure” evangelicals who turn a blind eye to Trump’s own sins.
     
    No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind, considers himself morally pure. It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman.


    https://qt.azureedge.net/resources/quotes-images-large/somoza-may-be-a-son-of-a-bitch-but-hes-our-son-of-a-bitch-f3ae1e880f2fbb24bd5e1e51d026a4ad.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?”

    War is hell, right? Each side who emerges as the victor in a war comes out as saying there were more “righteous” in the cause, and therefore their conduct was less egregious or less immoral. But the fact of the matter is that both sides acted brutally.

    “No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind”…

    No True Scottsman fallacy employed on your part.

    “It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman.”

    The fact of the matter is that evangelicals have turned a blind eye to his scandals, with some even touting that he is a “good Christian”. [Clinton’s supporters engaged in similar conduct when asked about his “faith”.]

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/01/evangelicals-trump-policy-defeat-us-election-2020-christians

    “You can say without any exaggeration President Trump is the most pro-Israel, pro-life president in history,” Jeffries said to thunderous applause before his introduction of Iowa’s governor, Kim Reynolds, who touted her state’s recent signing of a strict anti-abortion bill…“Trump’s a good guy who’s backed by a guy with a solid religious foundation,” said Trish Murphy, a Sioux Falls resident who was bussed into the venue that morning. When asked whether Trump himself was a man of faith, she paused and said she thought he was. [Joanne] Craig was quicker to answer that question. “Absolutely, he is,” she said. “He just expresses it differently than me.”

    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?

    Humans are tribal. Within each “tribe”, there is a considerable amount of confirmation bias. We want to ally ourselves to people who think like us, and defend against people who do not think like us. The result? Everyone is stuck in a box. No worries, our species needs its delusions. Delusion is the easiest and most convenient cope of all.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?
     
    Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth, and nobody else in power will stand up for them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  208. @Alexander Turok
    @Corvinus


    He has Ivy Leaguers and Jews as advisors, and yet to show that he is serious about undergoing this action.
     
    What does this have to do with Jews? Are you attacking the Jews? Because some of your comments appear to contradict an antisemitic stance:

    The fixation on the Jews here by some commenters is both fascinating and disturbing.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/people-who-think-they-are-not-white-rabbi-tells-jews-to-cut-up-their-white-privilege-cards/#comment-1169369

    Pray tell, are Jews in your closet and in your bed?
     
    https://www.unz.com/forum/jew-coup-the-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-trumps-impeachment/#comment-3618952

    Or are you trying to make fun of antisemites? Looks to me like you made an argument attacking Trump, someone challenged your argument, did not bring up the Jews at all, and rather than defend your argument with "Trump is bad because [an argument against him I actually believe in], you respond with "Trump is bad because [he's doing something I actually think is perfectly fine but look here at these antisemites aren't they dumb]." This isn't the first time you've done it. From your comment history:


    Since when is Trump truly on the side of Flyover Country? He has yet to drain the swamp and continues to rely on Jews and neo-cons for crafting his policies. But his proponents will do ANYTHING to gloss over Trump’s foibles because they would have to painfully admit they fell for an act. So, like the GOP, his supporters fall off the cliff like lemmings.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-biden-the-hindenburg-of-21st-century-america/#comment-3991207

    I'm angry about the neocon stuff, but when did Trump ever portray himself as an antisemite? And what fraction of Trump supporters thought he was? Yes, there is a fraction of retarded Trumpers who'll call you a Jew if you ask where the wall is. But it's very small. It's either dishonesty or craziness for you to attack Trump supporters in general based on Trump's relationships with Jews.

    Whenever anti-semites condemn Trump, his idiot fans often scream that's it's a liberal conspiracy to undermine him. They've never shown any actual evidence for this. I think it's unlikely for three reasons:

    1. Most Leftists really believe Trump to be serving the white nationalist agenda and couldn't convincing argue that he is not.

    2. Most believe it is deeply immoral to ally with the "far-right" even if it would result in liberal political gains. See the attacks on Bernie for accepting the endorsement from Joe Rogan.

    3. Most liberals could not "pass the intellectual Turing test" for conservatives or nationalists. They understand only caricatures of what their enemies believe. If it was common for them to pretend to be WNs, most would fail and there would be many examples of them doing so, advocating policies no actual WN would advocate, etc.

    Corvinus seems to me to be the first example of someone who isn't doing it but is getting close to doing so. I think he's a Bidenista who thinks suppressing the WN vote can be his contribution to Biden's victory.

    I say this as someone who thinks Trump should be stripped of the Republican nomination and won't vote for him in November. But I think my opposition to Trump is different from his. Mine's based on policy, his I suspect is based at least in part on a deeper, personal dislike. I posit that a big part of Trump derangement syndrome is an anger that he has had such a degree of sexual success. I'm not saying that's a pathology. In fact, I find it strange that in our society if you meet someone who's arrogant, insulting, and generally cruel to others and then learn that he's rich, it's considered understandable to respond with "that ain't fair," but that the same reaction is treated as pathological if you are responding to his sexual success.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What does this have to do with Jews? Are you attacking the Jews? Because some of your comments appear to contradict an antisemitic stance”

    Relax. I’m taking the commenter to task. It’s a number of posters here (as well as Mr. Sailer himself) who always go back to that group as if they are to blame for everything bad in the world. It’s tragically comical.

    “It’s either dishonesty or craziness for you to attack Trump supporters in general based on Trump’s relationships with Jews.”

    Not in the slightest. Those same commenters believe that a person’s associations with Jews leads that person to carry their water, at best, or to become virulent anti-white, at worst. Does not part of Trump’s “Drain The Swamp” include removing subversive elements from our government? Do not those same posters here generally believe that Jews are “subversive”? So why is Trump “palsy-walsy” with them? Is it not hypocritical?

    I would posit that Most Alt Righters really believe Trump is not catering to the white nationalist agenda to serve his own purposes, and that most conservatives understand only caricatures of what their ideological enemies believe. See how that works, friend?

    “I posit that a big part of Trump derangement syndrome is an anger that he has had such a degree of sexual success.”

    So do you grab women by the p—-, too? They just LOVE that, right, Chateau Heartiste?

  209. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @black sea

    She is quite unattractive. I wonder how that played out in her life decisions. Being around wealthy,powerful and morally scabrous men her whole life,she has seen the importance of youth and beauty to get their approval.

    Replies: @Alden

    Her friends Epstein, Prince Andrew , Clinton and the rest of the rich and powerful men who surrounded her didn’t mind her looks and age.

    They threw away the pretty young girls like dirty paper plates but Maxwell had something that led to life long relationships even after Epstein was arrested, charged and sentenced as a molester rapist of minor girls “ some as young as 14” as all the charges were written.

    Maxwell’s slim which is a real accomplishment for 58 nowadays. Hair styles nice, but dyed black hair at her age is just too, too, awful. Face somewhere between unattractive and ugly.

  210. @Precious
    @Corvinus

    It is truly something to behold–MAGAs have been so conditioned to believe Trump’s lies about his relationship with Epstein, and so conditioned to think only Bill Clinton is scared to death of any revelations that may come out. But when you mention Trump AND Epstein together were also involved in underage girls, they blow a gasket and claim “Fake News”.

    For what it is worth, I hope Maxwell does have the goods on Bill, Donald, and the other men/women involved in Epstein’s sex ring, and that she does not get Arkancided before spilling the beans.

    The SDNY is very clear that both the Epstein arrest and the Maxwell arrest and investigation is all being done by the public corruption team. As Elie Honig explained, the public corruption unit does not handle sex crimes and sex trafficking cases. They handle crimes committed by public officials.

    That means the criminal sex ring run by Epstein is incidental to this investigation, and the primary targets of this investigation are those public officials who protected Epstein all these years...especially in 2008. In other words, this is about draining the swamp.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden

    Maxwell’s indictment has 3 counts of procuring transporting, enticing etc under age minors to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein between 1994-1997

    And 2 counts of perjury in a 2016 deposition Re Epstein and the underage minors.

    The indictment is really about the pimping trafficking etc of under age minors for sex abuse.

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alden

    A lot of people who work for official government intelligence and security agencies are never officials of any kind or even "officially" on the official government payroll.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Precious
    @Alden

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    Not maybe. We know there are more indictments coming because the Public Corruption unit is handling the case, not the Sex Crimes unit.

  211. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "You like to play this balancing game. Are you ready to concede that Allied war crimes matched or exceeded those of the Axis in the Second World War?"

    War is hell, right? Each side who emerges as the victor in a war comes out as saying there were more "righteous" in the cause, and therefore their conduct was less egregious or less immoral. But the fact of the matter is that both sides acted brutally.

    "No true evangelical, or honest Christian of any kind"...

    No True Scottsman fallacy employed on your part.

    "It violates the central tenets of the faith. This is a strawman."

    The fact of the matter is that evangelicals have turned a blind eye to his scandals, with some even touting that he is a "good Christian". [Clinton's supporters engaged in similar conduct when asked about his "faith".]

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/01/evangelicals-trump-policy-defeat-us-election-2020-christians


    “You can say without any exaggeration President Trump is the most pro-Israel, pro-life president in history,” Jeffries said to thunderous applause before his introduction of Iowa’s governor, Kim Reynolds, who touted her state’s recent signing of a strict anti-abortion bill...“Trump’s a good guy who’s backed by a guy with a solid religious foundation,” said Trish Murphy, a Sioux Falls resident who was bussed into the venue that morning. When asked whether Trump himself was a man of faith, she paused and said she thought he was. [Joanne] Craig was quicker to answer that question. “Absolutely, he is,” she said. “He just expresses it differently than me.”
     
    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?

    Humans are tribal. Within each "tribe", there is a considerable amount of confirmation bias. We want to ally ourselves to people who think like us, and defend against people who do not think like us. The result? Everyone is stuck in a box. No worries, our species needs its delusions. Delusion is the easiest and most convenient cope of all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?

    Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth, and nobody else in power will stand up for them.

    • Agree: Alden, Hibernian
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth..."

    Trump's own conduct fits your designation. Do you comprehend your hypocrisy?

    "and nobody else in power will stand up for them."

    Tim Scott and John Thune, both Republicans, are evangelical Christians. Indeed, they are not standing up to Trump for his past and present sins.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  212. Virginia was 17 when she met Andrew in March 2001 in London. She turned 18 on August 9 2001. So she was a prostitute under 18 in March 2001, illegal in the UK.

    I wonder if she ever finished high school or got a GED with all that traveling.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Again, where is the transaction?

  213. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    So why do evangelicals turn a blind eye when Trump behaves so badly?
     
    Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth, and nobody else in power will stand up for them.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth…”

    Trump’s own conduct fits your designation. Do you comprehend your hypocrisy?

    “and nobody else in power will stand up for them.”

    Tim Scott and John Thune, both Republicans, are evangelical Christians. Indeed, they are not standing up to Trump for his past and present sins.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don't.

    That coin came out the year Trump himself did. This is the milieu into which he was born.


    https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/the-racist-history-of-the-fdr-dime/77479


    The woman screwed over by the 1946 dime wasn't Selma Burke, but this one:


    https://www.coinstudy.com/image-files/x1945-dime-uncirculated-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.wbKbkzCbJe.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

  214. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Because they are under attack by the scum of the earth..."

    Trump's own conduct fits your designation. Do you comprehend your hypocrisy?

    "and nobody else in power will stand up for them."

    Tim Scott and John Thune, both Republicans, are evangelical Christians. Indeed, they are not standing up to Trump for his past and present sins.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don’t.

    That coin came out the year Trump himself did. This is the milieu into which he was born.

    https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/the-racist-history-of-the-fdr-dime/77479

    The woman screwed over by the 1946 dime wasn’t Selma Burke, but this one:

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "...I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests."

    That is Fake News. But I do appreciate your link.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don’t.

    I have the sense to not use the term 'war criminal', because it's a polemical thrust that's hardly ever used in good faith by anyone.

  215. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Art Deco

    Florida age of consent is 18, so any naughtiness in that state would be illegal.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    A lot of the age of consent laws become moot or trivial when the game turns into one of coercion, payment and interstate/trans-national movement of women for illicit sexual activities.

    • Agree: Alden
  216. @Alden
    @Precious

    Maxwell’s indictment has 3 counts of procuring transporting, enticing etc under age minors to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein between 1994-1997

    And 2 counts of perjury in a 2016 deposition Re Epstein and the underage minors.

    The indictment is really about the pimping trafficking etc of under age minors for sex abuse.

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Precious

    A lot of people who work for official government intelligence and security agencies are never officials of any kind or even “officially” on the official government payroll.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Read the indictment Only mentions her perjury and pimping and Epstein’s abuse of under age minors.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

  217. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don't.

    That coin came out the year Trump himself did. This is the milieu into which he was born.


    https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/the-racist-history-of-the-fdr-dime/77479


    The woman screwed over by the 1946 dime wasn't Selma Burke, but this one:


    https://www.coinstudy.com/image-files/x1945-dime-uncirculated-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.wbKbkzCbJe.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    “…I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests.”

    That is Fake News. But I do appreciate your link.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    That is Fake News.
     
    This is not fake news. It is real history.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_strategic_bombing#World_War_II_(September_1,_1939_–_September_2,_1945)


    https://www.history.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_faces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_768/MTcwMzkwMjc1MTU4NDUxNTM1/02-13-dresden-bombing-gettyimages-1058619880.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

  218. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "...I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests."

    That is Fake News. But I do appreciate your link.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    FDR, a war criminal beholden to foreign interests is Fake News.

    For some, Dresden was a logistical hub directly supporting Axis Forces attempting to stop the advancing Red Army in the East - which made it a legitimate target and one where the Western Allies large bomber forces could directly influence the land battle there. NOTICE that in the Ukraine alone, retreating Axis Forces in a wanton act of malice destroyed a million homes and thousands of factories and murdered an untold number of civilians.

    In war, there are crimes against humanity committed by both sides. Civilians will die as a result. Human history is littered with such events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  219. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    That is Fake News.
     
    This is not fake news. It is real history.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_strategic_bombing#World_War_II_(September_1,_1939_–_September_2,_1945)


    https://www.history.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_faces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_768/MTcwMzkwMjc1MTU4NDUxNTM1/02-13-dresden-bombing-gettyimages-1058619880.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus

    FDR, a war criminal beholden to foreign interests is Fake News.

    For some, Dresden was a logistical hub directly supporting Axis Forces attempting to stop the advancing Red Army in the East – which made it a legitimate target and one where the Western Allies large bomber forces could directly influence the land battle there. NOTICE that in the Ukraine alone, retreating Axis Forces in a wanton act of malice destroyed a million homes and thousands of factories and murdered an untold number of civilians.

    In war, there are crimes against humanity committed by both sides. Civilians will die as a result. Human history is littered with such events.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    You cannot tell factories from apartment buildings from the sky. But railways, roads, airstrips, docks, and harbors are obvious--- and factories are useless without them. Remove those, and avoiding civilians is not that hard.

    That you quibble about our guy's lapses of taste and judgment while waiving your own's mass murder of women and children is so... progressive. "The ends justify the means."

    Replies: @Corvinus

  220. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    FDR, a war criminal beholden to foreign interests is Fake News.

    For some, Dresden was a logistical hub directly supporting Axis Forces attempting to stop the advancing Red Army in the East - which made it a legitimate target and one where the Western Allies large bomber forces could directly influence the land battle there. NOTICE that in the Ukraine alone, retreating Axis Forces in a wanton act of malice destroyed a million homes and thousands of factories and murdered an untold number of civilians.

    In war, there are crimes against humanity committed by both sides. Civilians will die as a result. Human history is littered with such events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You cannot tell factories from apartment buildings from the sky. But railways, roads, airstrips, docks, and harbors are obvious— and factories are useless without them. Remove those, and avoiding civilians is not that hard.

    That you quibble about our guy’s lapses of taste and judgment while waiving your own’s mass murder of women and children is so… progressive. “The ends justify the means.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "That you quibble about our guy’s lapses of taste and judgment while waiving your own’s mass murder of women and children is so… progressive."

    First, Trump doesn't have "lapses"; he makes perpetual blunders and repeatedly lies. Second, there is no "waving" on my part. Third, the mass murder of women and children in war is tragic, but expected. It is cruel and immoral, but humanity is thrown out the window in such circumstances.

    “The ends justify the means.”

    Doesn't the Alt Right put into practice this statement to ensure their ideologies become entrenched?

  221. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alden

    A lot of people who work for official government intelligence and security agencies are never officials of any kind or even "officially" on the official government payroll.

    Replies: @Alden

    Read the indictment Only mentions her perjury and pimping and Epstein’s abuse of under age minors.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alden

    The indictment is likely deficient in breadth and scope. Again though, the truth will probably never see the light of day in our lifetimes.

    Replies: @Alden

  222. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Check the laws in Britain instead of assuming prostitution, pimping or paying prostitutes is legal in Britain.

    What Epstein and Maxwell did is no different from what used to be known as corporate hospitality. That’s parties where escort women are hired and the host, not the men with which they have sex with pays the prostitutes. What with women attending corporate events as executives doesn’t happen that much any more.

    Virginia acted as the prostitute, Andrew was the customer, Epstein Maxwell were the pimps. And it’s illegal in Britain whatever the age of anyone involved.

    Most customers of contemporary massage businesses and brothels in the old days didn’t pay the girls. They pay the pimps procurers massage business owners. Customers of Escort girls usually pay with credit cards to the escort agency, not the women directly. The women are paid with tips and a share of the fee. If they can get it.

    The Virginia Andrew sex took place in England in Maxwell’s house. If she was 18 at the time it was prostitution. If she was 17 at the time it was prostitution with an added penalty because of her age.

    Once more, age of consent has nothing to do with prostitution. Prince Andrew enjoyed hospitality Virginia provided some of the hospitality

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I’m not assuming anything is ‘legal’. I’m assuming prostitution is a petty misdemeanor, because it usually is. And I’m not seeing in this tale where a commercial transaction is supposed to have taken place between Prince Andrew and any other party. (I’m not persuaded that Andrew ever nailed her, btw; this woman’s accusations against prominent men have been too scattershot to be credible without supporting documentation).

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    Instead of making assumptions check out the pertinent laws in the UK. There were no transactions between Virginia and Andrew Herbert. But Epstein and Maxwell did commit illegal ancillary activities to prostitution. For one, just transporting Virginia across American state lines and international boundaries to service Andrew Herbert

    It is the height of old codger naïveté to focus on Virginia and not the international spying for Israel, blackmail extortion Wexford’s money laundering and bringing in drugs from China with the clothing he sold , alleged organ transplanting and everything else Epstein Maxwell Maxwell’s father the Israeli government and elite Jews were doing around the time Virginia was born and well before.

    You’re just a Jew trying to direct the discussion from the enormity of an international organized crime syndicate of which under age prostitution was just one part to stupid assumptions about UK prostitution pimping and pandering laws.

    If you’re so interested read the pertinent law

    There’s a Whitney Webb May 26 2020 lengthy interview with Maria Farmer about what Maxwell, Wexford Epstein and gates were doing in the 1990s right on this website.

    Before you embarrass yourself again making ridiculous comments exonerating Maxwell and Epstein, read Webb’s article and listen to the interview.

  223. @Alden
    Virginia was 17 when she met Andrew in March 2001 in London. She turned 18 on August 9 2001. So she was a prostitute under 18 in March 2001, illegal in the UK.

    I wonder if she ever finished high school or got a GED with all that traveling.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Again, where is the transaction?

  224. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don't.

    That coin came out the year Trump himself did. This is the milieu into which he was born.


    https://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/the-racist-history-of-the-fdr-dime/77479


    The woman screwed over by the 1946 dime wasn't Selma Burke, but this one:


    https://www.coinstudy.com/image-files/x1945-dime-uncirculated-2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.wbKbkzCbJe.jpg

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    Every time I receive a dime, I turn it face-down so as not to look at a war criminal beholden to foreign interests. I bet you don’t.

    I have the sense to not use the term ‘war criminal’, because it’s a polemical thrust that’s hardly ever used in good faith by anyone.

  225. @Alden
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Read the indictment Only mentions her perjury and pimping and Epstein’s abuse of under age minors.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    The indictment is likely deficient in breadth and scope. Again though, the truth will probably never see the light of day in our lifetimes.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    True. The spying and Wexner’s Mafia. style garment business will never be brought to light.

    The Netflix movie Filthy Rich is worth watching. It claims the only reason Epstein was arrested last summer was the Me Too movement. It began as a way to discredit Trump for his sex life and divorces. But then it morphed into credible accusations against Jewish entertainment men.

    But the Mossad Jewish mafia crooked businesses like Wexner’s are never mentioned. At least it gets women and some men riled up about exploitation of young girls.

    I’ve watched some Whitney Webb YouTubes about the criminal business practices and Mossad connections of Maxwell, father and daughters daughters, not just Ghislaine, Epstein, and the whole crew of scumbags.

    Maxwell’s name is pronounced Gulen hard g len as in Lenny neither syllable is stressed

  226. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    You cannot tell factories from apartment buildings from the sky. But railways, roads, airstrips, docks, and harbors are obvious--- and factories are useless without them. Remove those, and avoiding civilians is not that hard.

    That you quibble about our guy's lapses of taste and judgment while waiving your own's mass murder of women and children is so... progressive. "The ends justify the means."

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “That you quibble about our guy’s lapses of taste and judgment while waiving your own’s mass murder of women and children is so… progressive.”

    First, Trump doesn’t have “lapses”; he makes perpetual blunders and repeatedly lies. Second, there is no “waving” on my part. Third, the mass murder of women and children in war is tragic, but expected. It is cruel and immoral, but humanity is thrown out the window in such circumstances.

    “The ends justify the means.”

    Doesn’t the Alt Right put into practice this statement to ensure their ideologies become entrenched?

  227. @Alden
    @Precious

    Maxwell’s indictment has 3 counts of procuring transporting, enticing etc under age minors to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein between 1994-1997

    And 2 counts of perjury in a 2016 deposition Re Epstein and the underage minors.

    The indictment is really about the pimping trafficking etc of under age minors for sex abuse.

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Precious

    Maxwell was never a government official of any kind. Maybe there’s some unsealed indictments and completed investigations of corrupt officials that her case is tied with.

    Not maybe. We know there are more indictments coming because the Public Corruption unit is handling the case, not the Sex Crimes unit.

  228. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    I'm not assuming anything is 'legal'. I'm assuming prostitution is a petty misdemeanor, because it usually is. And I'm not seeing in this tale where a commercial transaction is supposed to have taken place between Prince Andrew and any other party. (I'm not persuaded that Andrew ever nailed her, btw; this woman's accusations against prominent men have been too scattershot to be credible without supporting documentation).

    Replies: @Alden

    Instead of making assumptions check out the pertinent laws in the UK. There were no transactions between Virginia and Andrew Herbert. But Epstein and Maxwell did commit illegal ancillary activities to prostitution. For one, just transporting Virginia across American state lines and international boundaries to service Andrew Herbert

    It is the height of old codger naïveté to focus on Virginia and not the international spying for Israel, blackmail extortion Wexford’s money laundering and bringing in drugs from China with the clothing he sold , alleged organ transplanting and everything else Epstein Maxwell Maxwell’s father the Israeli government and elite Jews were doing around the time Virginia was born and well before.

    You’re just a Jew trying to direct the discussion from the enormity of an international organized crime syndicate of which under age prostitution was just one part to stupid assumptions about UK prostitution pimping and pandering laws.

    If you’re so interested read the pertinent law

    There’s a Whitney Webb May 26 2020 lengthy interview with Maria Farmer about what Maxwell, Wexford Epstein and gates were doing in the 1990s right on this website.

    Before you embarrass yourself again making ridiculous comments exonerating Maxwell and Epstein, read Webb’s article and listen to the interview.

  229. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Alden

    The indictment is likely deficient in breadth and scope. Again though, the truth will probably never see the light of day in our lifetimes.

    Replies: @Alden

    True. The spying and Wexner’s Mafia. style garment business will never be brought to light.

    The Netflix movie Filthy Rich is worth watching. It claims the only reason Epstein was arrested last summer was the Me Too movement. It began as a way to discredit Trump for his sex life and divorces. But then it morphed into credible accusations against Jewish entertainment men.

    But the Mossad Jewish mafia crooked businesses like Wexner’s are never mentioned. At least it gets women and some men riled up about exploitation of young girls.

    I’ve watched some Whitney Webb YouTubes about the criminal business practices and Mossad connections of Maxwell, father and daughters daughters, not just Ghislaine, Epstein, and the whole crew of scumbags.

    Maxwell’s name is pronounced Gulen hard g len as in Lenny neither syllable is stressed

  230. @Jim Bob lassiter
    I've never heard Ghislaine Maxwell's name uttered. Is the correct pronunciation of her first name Jizz-Lain?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alden

    Her name is pronounced Gu len hard g len as in lenny.

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