Did anyone seriously expect he’d survive to stand trial? If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

Mossad

To be on “suicide watch” means they watch you commit suicide…

As a general rule I try never to attribute to malice or chicanery what can be attributed to incompetence. But in this case… Maybe a thorough investigation of the finances of the person or people who decided to lift the suicide watch (assuming that report is correct) is in order.

It’s very, very interesting how many normies aren’t buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

When even Colonel Lang over at his turcopolier blog is remarking about the scepticism of an old spook and how his Arabs joked about “prison ‘flu” there may be a chunk of indigestible gristle which could trigger violent up chucking.

Colonel Lang’s site:

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/08/epstein-killed-himself-sure-he-did-cui-bono.html

A quick scan of headlines show that the majority of them contain the word ‘suicide.’ The ones that don’t contain it seem to be pointed towards immediately dismissing any conspiracy theories as ridiculous and vindictive plots aimed at the sterling reputation of the Clinton cabal.

CNN and MSNBC find this story to be so boring. Too bad he has a Jewish name or they could have pawned him off as one of us.

Cui bono?

Wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation?

He was suicided. My only surprise was that it didn’t come before the first document tranche.

Somehow the other documents will be accidentally lost or ruined, by accident.

!!**** Donald J. Trump Retweeted ****!!

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead

I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!

RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019

Seems suspicious.

Thoughts?

For a moment, forget that freak. It’s SkyKing day.

The Manhattan neighborhood where the Metropolitan Correctional Center is located is telling.

I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein’s death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and — zany coincidence here — occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was “malfunctioning.”

Think how desperate

they must have been

to make a move

this obvious

In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

“We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”

The truly disturbing thing was that he was taken off suicide watch beforehand. Now we can’t be sure if NYC gaolers think suicide watch means watch this guy kill himself or not.

Former Trump speechwriter and pro-American commentator Darren Beattie on the proper reaction to the Epstein death:

Darren J. Beattie 🌐
@DarrenJBeattie

If our country wasn’t a joke, there would be a Mueller level probe into Epstein’s “suicide” that included extensive investigations into whether he was involved with a foreign intelligence agency — and which one.

Chances of this happening?

Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

Trump retweeted this.

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead

I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!

RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019

Just when the names start coming out: Bill Richardson, Al Gore, George Mitchell, a hedge fund billionaire whose name escapes me, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, a Prime Minister of this-or-that European Country………..

and then three mass shootings when all the security cameras seem to have captured nothing (no video from a WalMart?) of three young white
nutjob guys, two of whom are dead, two of whom were Democrats and one a Satanist. That got you to forget Epstein.

Once you forgot him, he conveniently (Arkancides?) himself in prison……….while on suicide watch.

The pedo island has had an underground fire also apparently, as much of the buildings on pedo island had subterannean levels connected to one another…….now probably burned up (the hidden cameras, physical restraints for human beings, possibly some sort of incenerator for human remains for the pesky girl or two who wanted to leave and had a big mouth).

Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

Seriously though, it’s nice of you to give the cynical commenters here, as that former Baltimore Mayor said, “room to destroy,” but I’m sure we’re all curious to hear your opinion about the matter.

Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

Bill Clinton’s bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

Hopefully.

Americans are such naive, gullible dupes. They’ll believe any BS that the media/political elites feed them.

I hope that this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and finally teaches Americans the true nature of their ruling class. Americans need to learn to accept that assassinations, conspiracies, and corruption are normal behavior at the top.

Epstein did not commit suicide. He was killed. Hopefully, Americans realize this and demand a true investigation into all of this.

Two words come to mind:

Banana Republic.

First they staged an event in his jail cell two weeks ago.

He gets sent to the hospital. Photos are taken of him on a gurney.

Now they use those same photos of him on the gurney then and claim them as proof of his body being transported to the coroner today.

Faked death. Shipped out to Israel by Mossad.

There are substances that give a person the symptoms and appearance of death.

If Trump were interested in “winning”, as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery — ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc — that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein’s suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

Pizzagate is real.

In one of the e-mails sent to Podesta (which was revealed by Wikileaks), there’s a discussion of three children. The ages of the three children are discussed, as is the possibility of the children going into the pool. The children are also referred to as “entertainment.”

If that’s not pedophilia, I don’t know what is.

See Tweet below.

Also go to podesta email https://t.co/lilSzERgJs and type in Ruby, Emerson, & Maeve for terms in email. Check out Luzzatto.💌👍 pic.twitter.com/LAQydovh6b

— 626 (@ComfiestPanda) December 5, 2016

In what normal circumstances do you refer to three children (who are not yours) as “entertainment.” What non-pedophile explanation is there?

Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

— Ron Bassilian (@Ron4California) August 10, 2019

Ron Bassilian (R)
@Ron4California

Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

[13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone

“Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory.”

He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

He was on suicide encouragement.

Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

Typical Blumpfian demagoguery.

The predictable follow-up act is: He is ‘Monitoring’ the Situation.

Big Talk, No Action. — No. Scratch that: Big talk, then long periods of do-nothing-ism, punctuated by sporadic actions that are the precise opposite of what you promised.

Thoughts?

Are we playing it safe, Steve? ツ

Conspiracy theories pose a new domestic terrorism threat, according to a secret FBI document
2019, August 01 | Sonam Sheth
https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-document-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism-threat-2019-8

Then it’s kind of happy and on-topic. Yes Epstein’s [comical vaudeville music] “suicide” [/cvm] protects the scum on the top as happened with the DC Madam, but being that this is the Day of Barrel Rolling, it’s a fitting resistance coincidence that one of theirs bought it as we remember one of ours. Roland has air support now.

By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

https://twitter.com/JohnDoe78359022/status/1156562364487163905

Even when we have images of their faces because they all gaggled together and milled around in front of an unhidden security camera?

It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
That usually determines suicide watch
And who knows it might be a report by an affirmative action moron psych tech the psychiatrist relies on. IF, and its a big if, the affirmative action moron can write a coherent end of third grade sentence

“According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the “Lolita Express” a total of 27 times. “Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not,” according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff – who first revealed the former president’s extensive flights on Epstein’s “lolita express” in a 2010 Daily Beast exposé.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-apparent-suicide

He was a dead man once he came back to the US. I don’t know who the Clintons use but they’re first rate for sure. Ninja Assassins maybe?

My deceased parents, aunts and grandparents all said they could remember exactly what they were doing, how they felt and where they were when they heard that WW2 had broken out.

Now I understand exactly what they meant.

The people in control of our lives are so diabolical that they would not even find a place in hell.

All doubt has now been removed.

And Roman Polanski, to boot! How apropos!

Oh gross and icky.

Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

Hey guys…

Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail. Detained pedophiles require special attention. Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult. https://t.co/YK4buPXmR9

— Rod Rosenstein (@RodRosenstein) August 10, 2019

There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the “suicide.”

_________________

Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment.

Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the “do it late Friday evening” trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

I’m more interested in which Jewish patriot takes over Epstein’s role.

And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or “psych specialists”.

So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

To me this is the Occam’s Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

Maybe it was a conspiracy.

Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

Epstein seems to have lived a good, full life. Except for not having children.

Sexual conduct with underage girls is wrong.

I am not interested in conspiracy theories unless there is stronger evidence.

Pilpul

Wait, where were you at 9/11?

No “dead man switch” data drop? That might explain why this took so long. The loose ends tied in advance.

Right you are some kind of super carefully calibrated dose of tetrodotoxin in a federal detention center.

“He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?

“Mossad” –

– or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.

So how did he shoo the guards and deactivate the cameras?

Especially difficult on Saturday morning for orthodox personnel to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner.

By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.

I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

All this would be tolerable if we were talking about a hotel room or a prison that had had suicides ever before in its history.

Two words come to mind:

Banana Republic.

No, no, Epstein’s financier, Les Wexner, is the owner of Victoria Secret, PINK and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

The vile crap that Clinton had to have gotten up to on Epstein island is too much. They had to keep a lid on it.

Mossad, why would they care? Even if he was their asset they would still have all the dirt he dished.

If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

Cui Bono?

Dear Jonathan, sometimes bad people say things indirectly, in code, or in argot, to avoid making their criminal activities obvious. 16 is age of consent pretty widely so why not just write out a clearer message with fewer characters?

“A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.”

If so, any bets on the brand of toilet paper?

P.S. it’s random, but has anyone else noticed that toilet rolls are getting thinner and smaller as (regardless of brand) the years go by? (Maybe it’s just my fat a$# getting bigger.)

Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

There are rumors about Tim McVeigh’s death – one witness claimed that he was still breathing (albeit very shallow breaths) AFTER he was pronounced “dead.”

Was McVeigh “posthumously”smuggled out of prison because he was the ultimate provocateur/insider/intelligence operative up to that point?

Here’s Susan Carlson from Chicago’s WLS-AM radio and an eyewitness to McVeigh’s “execution”:

SUSAN CARLSON: No fear – no fear whatsoever. No, no statement, no verbal statement – nothing to say. They, they did offer him the opportunity to speak, and I think everybody was waiting with bated breath… for what he was about to say, and he remained stone cold silent, stared directly at the ceiling, stoic, stoically, after he had made a point looking at all of us, he looked at the ceiling, he laid back down, and from that point on, he had no expression whatsoever. In fact, it was hard to even tell when he had passed on, because, of his shallow breathing – or what appeared to be shallow breathing – continued, even after they pronounced him dead, and his eyes remained open the entire time – I don’t even think he blinked – and he died with his eyes open.

The Trump era seems to be cracking open the existing Establishment like a rotten coconut. The craziness is just starting, I fear. This ride is not going to be fun. What happens when the people running a massive pyramid scheme stop trusting one another?

The only difference between New York today and Manila in 1983 is that the Filipinos had the balls to chase the Marcos crime family out of the country.

What does the word watch mean in the phrase suicide
Watch? Who was watching? What does camera show? It is inconceivable Epstein could have hung himself if there was a suicide Watch? Follow the motives.

— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) August 10, 2019

Epstein commits suicide, cameras conveniently malfunction & the two guards on watch were told to leave the area for “maintenance”, who actually buys this Law Abiding Citizen script❓

— Chad Johnson (@ochocinco) August 10, 2019

The chances are roughly similar to those of the NYT, WaPo, CNN and MSNBC clamoring to get their hands on the thousands of VIP pedophile pictures and videos taken from Epstein’s safe, so they can distribute them as widely as possible while speaking in very serious tones about Our Democracy and the public’s right to know.

Oh well, maybe Julian Assange can Wikileak the stuff. Oh, wait…

“Thank heaven for little girls… ”

sfx: Hillary cackle + Echo

Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

Conceded.

And the classic, LatAm ‘banana republics’ were owned by the CIA.

Or at least the latter had ‘veto power’ over the former.

It feels like we are the new banana republic, in that we don’t seem to have control over our own affairs, and an outside force intervenes to keep us on the intended path. Always.

Trump also bears all the hallmarks of the classic banana-republic demagogue, frankly, and we all knew it going in. It turns out he was kind of an elaborate political con artist (perhaps moreso than the usual ‘demagogue,’ but still). There are lots of parallels, and this without even mentioning “banana republic demographics…”

My Mom was about 20 Pearl Harbor Day. She thought it was a radio play like Orson Welles War of the Worlds because it was on Sunday when most people aren’t at work and in December when most people stay inside.

I wonder if it will be front page headlines Sunday.

Unless you worked at this particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.

At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

just cracked myself up imagining Anthony Weiner walking around accidentally dodging a million assassination attempts Inspector Clouseau style

— David Hines (@hradzka) August 10, 2019

“Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself. ”

Your Devil’s Advocate shtick would carry more water if there was any pattern established among enormously rich and powerful narcissistic men committing suicide after arrest and or conviction for sex crimes.

I’m mean, at this point he was more likely to request a sex change based on Sailer’s theory about rich powerful Alphas going tranny post middle age.

But if anything he probably believed that he could beat the case just based on who he was.

Based on what we are seeing already in the immediate reactions on SM, there’s a serious effort to (((circle the wagons))) from all sides.

You’d be wise to pick a better battle to fight. There’s no believable way he killed himself.

Wow, the people who are constantly running interference for a certain country and it’s ethnics and who are hand waving this as no big deal are looking like one big circle on the Venn Diagram.

And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

-Ibound1

This is succinct.

Then why not say 16?

They’re clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to “speak Russian.”

No reason to say “2 x 8” to indicate a 16 year old. There’s something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

The “2 x 8” and “speak Russian” phrases are of a very ominous nature.

Epstein was either killed by Big Jew or had his death faked by Big Jew. That’s my conspiracy theory.

If this is the same FBI that refuses to do anything about leftists or Muslims then I’m shaking in my boots.

Maybe it was something much more dangerous ……arkancide!

Toilet paper may have been because of diarrhea due to the stress of everything crashing down after he’d received a nothing sentence the first time he was convicted.

And since when do prison guards do maintenance on cameras or any other kind of maintenance? They don’t.

Succint analysis I’ve seen:

“Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.”

Have you or have you not seen Epstein’s will yet?

8ch got shut down because it was posting Epstein docs from someone with access.

They had someone on the island taking pictures of that weird temple ffs. You really think “inciting violence” was the reason?

A little comic relief.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories of any sort, and even in this case I’m leaning more towards “not a conspiracy theory,” but I find myself having doubts. That said, there are a few things that I can’t really reconcile:

1. He had attempted suicide before very recently, and this is a high profile case, so he should be under constant surveillance. He’s so high-value (both financially and criminally) that no matter the cost, he would be constantly under surveillance. There should be no way that this guy just slips through the cracks and offs himself. The level of incompetence required to make this happen might only be seen in the most corrupt African countries.

2. He had attempted suicide before very recently, so why would someone else attempt to assist him or kill him? This is one of those “if you’re going to kill the king, don’t miss” type situations. Had he died in the first attempt, it would be plausible that it was suicide; but a second attempt in such close succession? This would make it obvious that someone was out to kill him, and ruin the entire clandestine nature of it. Chances of the assassin (and assassination plot) being found out are much greater.

I don’t quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone else did it.

Jews don’t work in jails except as shrinks and some losers as group therapists yoga teachers something like that. It’s been an affirmative action job for a long time especially in a 20 percent black city like NYC.

As a counter-weight to your argument—and it is a good one—there is a “new” second media cycle, Thursday-Sunday.

The old media cycle was that Sunday/Monday set the tone for the week, and then by Thursday night/Friday morning, everyone in the corporate media was tired and ready for the weekend, and the audience presumably was as well, so things died. This is why Sunday morning news shows (such as Meet The Press) were so important, even though they were all taped Thursday and Friday: they set the tone for the week.

But the internet has upended this, making Thurday-Sunday a new cycle. Lot of non-lefty dudes at home on the weekend making YouTube streams and blog posts about their hate of the Leftism of the day.

Trump has capitalized on this new cycle number of times, so I don’t think its by accident; he’ll do or say something either late Thursday or on Friday at a rally, and it resets the tone in his favor. He did this strikingly when he called out Sweden’s terrorism at a rally on either a Thursday or a Friday.

Pedophiles don’t “kill” themselves.

Pedophiles typically have many accomplices. It’s a well known fact a considerable number of powerful men participate in these pedophile rings. When one guy gets caught, he becomes the fall guy and takes the blame. If it looks like he might turn, he gets “suicided” before he can talk.

Given what happened to Epstein today, is it really so implausible that other molesters could’ve been killed in jail by assassins? Given how low-profile most of those cases are in general, it’d be so much easier to get away with assassinations.

I find it breathtaking that even with all this public attention, Epstein couldn’t have been prevented from committing “suicide.”

I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight—-

Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????

There’s a lot of people suddenly stubbornly, disingenuously obtuse, aren’t there?

There are also a lot of people very uncomfortable with the fact a global cabal of satanic pedophiles rule over us.

Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

He should have been on an Arkencide watch.

Cohencidence

his being “discovered” and rushed to hospital may have been…

smuggled out of jail.

notice the absence of details of the first incident and the latter? what did he hang himself with, for example?

“Russian” is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like “Greek” is slang for anal sex.

Did the intelligence agency that was running Epstein really believe that he’d never be arrested and pressured to squeal?
Didn’t they have a back-up plan in case he was sent to jail? After all, Epstein was dodging serious charges for years, so the possibility of getting picked up again was not that remote.

Would Epstein have been “suicided” if his handlers were sure he wouldn’t talk/rat them out?

Or, was Epstein threatening to tell all, and did his handlers decide to use “extreme prejudice”?

If he did hint at anything to his lawyers, they are dead men walking . . .

Have there been any sightings of Ghislaine Maxwell in recent weeks? Maybe she will turn up for Mr. Epstein’s state funeral in Tel Aviv, and the DOJ can see that she’s still alive.

How is there no video of it? My #1 priority would have been constant video surveillance the second he was arrested. That’s even more important than suicide watch. I want to see video of him killing himself, anything short of that and the entire American public loses faith in our joke of a justice system. Suicide is suspicious. He got off with a slap on the wrist last time, he must have good lawyers. Why give up before the trial? This is infuriating.

Obviously, now, the Story of the Century (so far). All the King’s horses & all the King’s men won’t be able to put this together again.

This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.

I remember being shaken by the news, but I am not American and terrorism was part of my childhood. The IRA seemed to plant a bomb in London or Birmingham every other week. It became part of everyday life. Also NYC is a long way away. I have lived in NZ for most of my adult life. ‘Only’ fifty people were killed in the Christchurch massacre, but, because it was unprecedented, unexpected and happened close to home, it unleashed a wave of competitive grieving that made Princess Diana’s funeral look tame by comparison

Makes you want revisit the Seth Rich case.

Good point, but it should be even stronger: at least a third of all Americans live in a State where the age of consent is seventeen or eighteen (with limited exceptions in some of them for adults who are relatively close in age to the minor). Here are the most populous of that group:

CA, 40 million, age eighteen
TX, 29 million, age seventeen
FL, 22 million, age eighteen
NY, 19 million, age eighteen
NJ, 9 million, age seventeen

So arranging sex for an adult who is at least his early 20s, with a sixteen-year-old, would be a crime in those States, period.

Try it with our daughters, and the guy won’t make it to trial. Or to the airport.

Federal courts have jurisdiction over Indian reservations, DC, and insular dependencies. State courts over everything else.

I’m just waiting for the horrific false flag event to wipe this off the news cycle. It’ll have to be something massive because even non-political people are talking what bs the “suicide” is. I’m just hoping there’s too much money in Southern California for it to happen here. So convenient 8chan gets nuked the weekend before – those guys were good diggers- though someone on 4chan posted about Epstein’s death 44 mins before it hit the news.

Dear Deep State,
I believe Vince Foster committed suicide.
I believe Seth Rich died in a bungled street robbery.
I believe Whitey Bulger’s death was just another ordinary case of prisoner-on-prisoner violence.
I believe it was the autopsy of Stephen Paddock, the body found in the hotel room.
I believe Hillary’s deleted emails were all about yoga and weddings.
I believe Bill and Loretta talked about golf and grandkids on the plane on the tarmac.
I believe…
…in Credere, Obbedire, Combattere

Why commit suicide before the trial?

Whoa! Epstein’s island caught on fire after an “earthquake.”

What a coincidence………………….

I just hope any evidence on that island isn’t burned up. If that happens, it would be one “unfortunate” coincidence………………………………

Just laying the groundwork before the dirty deed. #EpsteinSuicide https://t.co/tkGo3eI3lK

— Mat Cunningham (@JeSuisNotFooled) August 10, 2019

New Zealand is a great place!

The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We’ve got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

Hello there,

I have real information. I am doing my civic duty to share it.

Once.

A quick search on a very private search engine informed me that this blog has one of the largest audiences for a page where I do not require a real email address or other means of identification. Beyond that fact I don’t know anything about this blogger or the readership of this blog. I also will not be monitoring responses to this blog post nor will I be posting the following anywhere else.

THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND THE UNITED STATES JUSTICE SYSTEM LIES IN THE FOLLOWING WORDS

DOCTOR DAVID AND LINDA MORROW

I am swearing on a Bible that the answer to eveything lies within those words.

One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

I question this. What act? Russians are famously obsessed with … Greek, which shows the effectiveness of Orthodoxy, but which also means there’s already a nationality-name assigned. Also the former Soyuz and especially Ukraine is infamously a pedo and human trafficker preserve.
Also what would Kazakh be? Would Mongol be on a horse?

The mask is off. We’ll never know whether that temple was a Satanic sanctuary or a glorified gardener’s shed.

Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

If Epstein surfaces alive and well in Israel, and if the CNN-MSNBC-Fox-NYT-WaPo Big Media axis begins to slam anyone who asks questions, accusing them of anti-Semitism, it will (well and truly) be time to get it over with and dissolve the USA. Too hard to recover national dignity. We would be a continent-wide farce.

More optimistic suggestion: Dissolve the Deep State and elect a new one.

Feds prosecute serious crimes on the res. I won’t say all serious crime because they ignore most everything but a slam dunk.

So most folks fall under their state system. The other fed category is guys who cross state lines or get caught by a sting.

Yes there’s lots of crime including sex crimes on a res.

“Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

<blockquote<Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail.

Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a ‘hit’/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a “smuggling out of jail”), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?

The most important prisoner in America and he dies while being held in a supposedly secure jail? Taken off suicide watch for what reason? Lot of people feeling relieved right now that he’s gone. With a little inducement he could have been coaxed into singing loud and hard. If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided. Or perhaps it was the Russians who did this since they are so good at such underhanded plots such as controlling Trump through mind control.

Also the Las Vegas massacre.

After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don’t ask any more questions.

duh

I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don’t even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don’t want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn’t have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn’t have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

Rod Rosenstein sounds really creepy himself, teaching all of us doufusses about pedophiles…hmmm? he seems to know a lot about Epstein.

The most baffling ( or perhaps not) thing about Epstein’s death was the curious lack of curiousity by the media. Last week when a gunman opened fire in the El Paso Walmart the media went to wall to wall coverage despite not having any real information to impart, not even a body count! That did not stop the networks from bringing on their retired Law Enforcement ‘experts’ to bloviate for hour after hour.

Contrast that with today. With the public desperate to know how a marked man in federal custody could somehow kill himself or be killed the media only ran an obligatory segment at the top of the each hour and then resumed their planned coverage about…gun control.

The funny thing is one of the two Red Scare chicks is on location in Chinatown giving me updates here in my Nova Scotia lobster fishing village. I’m glad we’re now in the era of micro-celebrities. to hell with CNN and the rest of them. This little clip is gold. Amongst other things, it gives you a feel of the difference between Big Jew and little Jew:

Edited this in less than an hour and it was shot haphazardly with no mics, so this is very sloppy. I'll probably fix a few things later, but here's the video from today with @nobody_stop_me :https://t.co/DAOKGOtigG

— 🕊🔥 J Francio, SP 🔥🕊 (@flossfurman) August 11, 2019

Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman’s boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

Yeah, the Las Vegas masscre still makes no sense.

The Epstein thing always smelled to me like a Mossad honeypot operati0n – to keep politicians and others powers that be in the US firm in line with Israel – and if you don’t do that we have some embarrassing tapes of you with minors to publish

Epstein seemed like Frankenstein….he went too far with his urges and inclinations. Why is that so many of the MeToo Perps are the same ethnic group as Epstein? It is all so creepy. I actually, think he is sequestered in a secure cell…somewhere offshore. I have just seen too many Hollywood movies!

Interesting thoughts and valid enough. Working under the assumption that it was a Mossad hit, though, what day/time would a senior Mossad official most likely order the deed to be done? IOW, not the subtleties of reality, but the thought process of a Mossad goon-boss.

Heck, whoever did this (Mossad being the obvious suspect, given Epstein’s links) might even have chosen this day after their team found data suggesting that the (upcoming) second full week of August is the time the most Americans are on vacation of any week in the summer, as well, further softening the blow.

Friday-to-Saturday overnight; lots of important people away or otherwise more disconnected than usual even when Monday comes around. The “Dog Days.”

Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.

“It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK.”

Not when that inmate just happens to be the most endangered man on the planet. Stop pretending this was just a typical case. It wasn’t. Not in any way whatsoever.

well, the screws will turn to Maxwell. She is toast, and may well be suicide #2.

If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.

Good point.

The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other ‘world MSM’) would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.

The mask is off.

And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.

Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one tomorrow. He runs a Sunday afternoon show, which is unsual for a radio/streaming guy who also does a M-F 3 hour show, but Jones, like Trump, realized there was an alternate media cycle and jumped on it.

Infowars is about to get a ton of new viewers and supplement buyers.

I know! It is so hilarious that Russia had nothing to do with this! It is all on the evil americans who decided that Epstein had to be iced. No one just disappears from a NY cell – the body was a different body according to so many people as far as looking at the shape of the ears, nose, side hair and cheeks.

Trump using Epstein to take down the Clintons. That was Tom Luongo’s first impression and he wrote a couple of columns about it a month or so ago:

https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/08/epstein-arrest-peak-swamp/

https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/12/acosta-resigns-project-epstein-trump/

If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

Agree.

Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

Me too. No trust at all at this point. It’s all rigged.

Jewish Emancipation was a mistake. The circa 1970 pyramid scheme economic plan was a mistake. Now we’re here, right now standing up in the face of it as their arrangements fall apart. All we can do now is try to survive this.

(((Kid Twist Reles))), “The Canary Who Could Sing, But Couldn’t Fly”, falls to his death while under NYPD guard.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Reles#Death

I think he was murdered as well…

The next one on the hit list will be Julian Assange as soon as he is extradited back to the US from the United Kingdom.

Dead men tell no tales as they used to say in the movies.

Sad when the death of an Underage Sex Ringmaster makes me sick instead of happy.

Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein’s list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus “suicide” story.

By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here’s a description.

The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party

It’s interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites………..

In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in “Hellfire Clubs” in the UK & Ireland.

So it’s not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

I’d assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I’m sure more than a few are quite “hands on.” I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing………

Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you’d be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they’re initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

What did they do about the U.S.S. Liberty?

In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

It’s probably a warning to all of us.

Great point.

Can you imagine what our “press” and State Department would say if someone who had been procuring for high government officials in Russia was found dead in his cell and the Russian government announced it to be a “suicide”?

Imagine the self-righteous vomit. Imagine the idiots blathering. Imagine the clowns threatening nuclear war over it.

You mean he went for a drive with Kennedy?

Political corollary to Coulter’s Law: no motive or vague mumbling means it was a leftist. Had he an old PJ O’Rourke paperback they would trumpet “nazism” from the rooftops. Observe the Dayton shooter said by the FBI to be “interested in violent ideologies.”

Can you imagine the reaction you’d get going back to 1962 or whatever and telling people the Roman Catholic Church was systematically protecting homo child rapists?

I like to think that it really quickened when self-man Enlightenment craftsmen Ben Franklin, on a diplomatic mission to London to try to avoid war, was spoken to like a filthy serf by a holder of a medieval title.

In this day and age, the only way to get an honest death penalty for a monster like Epstein is to have it be self-inflicted. I’m very pleased he hung himself. He saved us a lot of taxpayer money.

I am not a believer in conspiracy theories.

Yes you are, you defend your own and decry ones you don’t like, as does everybody else, which is why that term is so dishonest when not used neutrally. Jack, there was an earthquake (this is the official story, now), in the Caribbean, which caused a fire that destroyed whatever evidence might have existed, of whatever happened on Epstein’s island, at the same time that he was allowed by guards to commit the first suicide at that prison. There’s absolutely nothing speculative or silly in saying that this stinks to high heaven.

No drugs are needed for the traditional “motel death,” which happens often enough without any alphabet agency wanting it to.

Jeffrey Epstein would have survived longer in a Nazi concentration camp, than he did in the prison used by US Federal Marshals to house their most important prisoners, “separation cases.”

The most famous prisoner in the USA died, and the prison did not have one single $50 video camera pointed at him?

I don’t know who did this. I don’t know who to believe anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that I didn’t kill the guy.

Democratic activist David Brock’s ShareBlue operation is allegedly giving members of the press affiliated with ShareBlue their talking points on Epstein. Here’s a leaked email they allegedly sent to the ShareBlue Stalwarts.

p.s. ROLCON refers to role playing as a conservative. pic.twitter.com/3eeqllorRI

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) August 10, 2019

Signed “Avi.”

To be honest, I think Epstein could have gotten off lightly if he’d turned state’s evidence and ratted on his high profile friends. He could have gone into a witness protection program afterwards. But I suspect he held assets that could not be explained by normal means, and he didn’t want all that dug up.

He has an interesting history. He was dismissed as a teacher, and was asked to leave Bear Stearns. Finally, he decided to leave this life. Nothing but a history of being kicked out or checking out.He knew and gave tax advice to Edgar Bronfman, father of Clare Bronfman of the NXIVM sex cult. I wonder if Epstein had any connection to the cult? If he gave tax advice to Edgar, why not his daughter? He was also an adviser to Adnan Khashoggi,

I thought he was in a federal lockup, not a city jail.

I don’t know if this is crap or what:
https://newspunch.com/banker-sacrifice-children-illuminati/

I read/watched this more than 3 years ago.

Damn, boy. You sure twisted yourself into a hawser coming up with that. It’s going to take a fifth of Dewar’s and two oxycontins to get your ass to sleep tonight

I do believe there is sexual blackmail (child or adult victims) at the highest level of govt and business…well banking.

I am sure Mossad occasionally does non-conspiracy things, but honestly, they don’t get paid to do that. Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.

Jack –

The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial…and here we are.

You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

The bold personality type–and Epstein was bold–is also more likely to commit suicide if they’re in an impossible situation. They don’t fear death the way normal people do.

Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

It’s pretty hard to imagine that happening, when whoever’s trying to do the gutting is susceptible to blackmail by an NSA that can probably get its hands on any email or transcript of any phone call. Most people have something to hide, or at least be ashamed of, somewhere back in the past. This stuff has got to be ended from the inside.

Long live Ed Snowden!

well, the media you mentioned, are all complicit in his death: they are all on the same team. So, they will try to bury Epstein quicker than Epstein, who has no family, would want his body to by interred – where is the fracking body, by the way?

Interesting fact.

In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is “nearly impossible” due to the elaborate security procedures.

See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

What a huge coincidence.

By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

So Epstein’s chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of “committing suicide” while imprisoned in that jail.

My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don’t be a “conspiracy theorist.”

you do sound like an idiot and a world-class, total phony, Jack.

Haha, Alden!

I think it’s like the way meteorologists talk about tornados. A suicide watch means the conditions are right for a suicide. A suicide warning means a suicide has been observed in progress.

Et tu, Hanson?

(I agree with you all though. Hail’s term is perfect – Trump is a bloviator.)

“2 x 8” = 2 girls, each 8-years old?

because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

After he was taken to the hospital the first time, an non-controlled MSM would have been all over it, asking questions, etc.

They weren’t.

The most blatant , undisguised “fuck you” the elites have given the American plebes in my lifetime.

Never been a huge fan of the ‘obvious’ conspiracies (JFK etc.). I still say the odds are on a real suicide. Older man, no more of his girls or decent food or anything he likes forever. The idea of a life in a little cell is probably far more difficult to get used to than most of us know. And we’re dealing with a spoiled rich guy here too. More than a few much tougher guys have been broken by the whole thing.

Despite all that, I’d still only put it at 70 percent that it’s a real suicide. Maybe he was ‘strongly encouraged’ to do it. Perhaps much more abuse was in the offing if he didn’t and that was intimated to him in clear terms.

If I were going to kill Epstein, you can bet that I would shut down 8chan first. Oh, that happened on August 5? You don’t say? Just before the release of the court records? Really?

Poor Jeff, the guilt must have really gotten to him. When he commissioned that painting of himself in a prison yard, he thought he could make it, but with guilt and prison life, etc etc he just could not go another day without a massage. What a shame, what a damn shame.

I cant wait to find out what flavor of quota pepos were involved. Our government institutions are quota disasters. Could in fact be just a case of incompetence by Affirmative Action which is another kind of conspiracy.

no, because, the prison workers will revolt if they are going to be accused of incompetence – especially, letting a white guy die on their watch. This is major prison drama – a problem for ?????yet to be determined.

Black officials (police and govt) need to be on the defensive when it will become routine to blame mostly black prison guards for being negligent for Epstein’s demise.

At least the Filipinos fought back.

In Epstein’s bio at Wikipedia, he is described as advising Bear Stearns’ wealthiest clients on “tax mitigation”, i.e. pay as little tax as possible… (Bear Stearns, a giant investment bank, was a casualty of the 2008 financial crisis.) Edgar Bronfman is specifically mentioned as one such client, a billionaire who was also an extremely influential international lobbyist regarding Jewish issues, above all within the late Soviet Union. Among Bronfman’s children are two daughters who provided financial, legal, and material support to NXIVM, a psychological cult which served as cover for a growing circle of sex slaves. And recall that Epstein was assisted by a daughter of Robert Maxwell, another tycoon who after his death was eulogized for his service to Israel.

A fire in the evidence room has already destroyed all documentation, including surveillance tapes. A blue-ribbon panel has already ruled out foul play. ‘Assisted Suicide’ is not a crime in New York. I am the Easter Bunny.

I can’t even :D, :D, :D,: discussion of HS sex acts on iSteve! Most HS kids knew that pregnancy was avoided this way. Here’s advice: don’t have kids.

Awesome post.

This story screams to the high mountains.

It is a true conspiracy, immune to any insults that might be flung at it.

I laugh because men like me laugh at things they have no power over. This was predictable. The burden of proof is on those who would tell us that this is simply a prison suicide. Until someone proves otherwise, we will assume, and take as given, that J. Epstein was murdered to keep him quiet.

Prove us wrong.

If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

Then I don’t want to know what a Cincinnati Redleg is.

Cincinnati… where Pete rose.

His suicide came as a surprise, most of all to himself..

“Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this … was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?”

Be swiftly assassinated, apparently.

Maybe they hanged the shark.

EVERYONE is now in conspiracy theory territory.

What does the word watch mean in the phrase suicide
Watch? Who was watching? What does camera show? It is inconceivable Epstein could have hung himself if there was a suicide Watch? Follow the motives.

— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) August 10, 2019

Well, at least we are unlikely to have another false flag mass shooting this weekend.

He was in ad-seg even if he was off suicide watch they still would have Mark one eyeballs on him several times an hour. No way no how this happened like it’s been reported.

I checked suicide watch was 7-23 to 7-29.

And the 2 guards on his corridor were told to leave because of middle of the night maintenance. Must be an easy job 11 pm to 7 am shift electricians and plumbers on duty every night in case of sudden electric fire or flood Night shift differential too. Probably need at least 2 people at all times because most jobs need 2 pairs of hands

I bet this was the first middle of the night maintenance since the building was finished.
And why would the guards have to leave? Who did this middle of the night maintenance?
If they do exist they died in auto crashes at 7/30 Saturday morning after they left work.

The absent guards are not liable because they followed procedure and obeyed the order to leave their post.

Who gave the order? “ Oh, it came over the intercom. He said it was my superior, Captain so and so.” “ and did you indeed give the order?” Captain so and so?”
“ no I did not”

I had to switch back temporarily to establishment media to see how this was being presented to the masses. With wry cynicism, it seems to me, even from the hairstyled mediabots reading the autocue.

There’s not even the “plausible” deniability they had with Seth Rich, God bless his soul.

Slate is on the case:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mcc-suicide.html

You see, this totally proves how we need to reform prisons.

If I were the Maxwell lady, I would be trying out the PD Mangan fasting method just about now.

“Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.

Covington, at the end, used to say that the problem was not that people didn’t know what would be required to save their freedom and their continued existence as a people, but rather that they knew full well, and the thought was unbearable to most people.

The Monahans’ trouble-making didn’t start with Haven:

The North American Man-Boy Love Association is protesting the arrest, trial. conviction and sentencing of Nevada boy-lover Robert Butler, 61. For many years Butler has maintained a world·
famous acrobatic act, ‘”The Amazing Monahans.”

https://www.governmentattic.org/docs/Extract_FBI-files_NAMBLA_1979-86.pdf p. 11

This was a sidebar in a story claiming to “out” Harry Connick, not the singer but his prosecutor father.

Boise, of the suspiciously turquoise turf, was the epicenter of scandal 65 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_homosexuality_scandal

That’s what inspired the “Boston-Boise Committee”, which developed into NAMBLA.

But who cares because the 8chan weaponized autist crowd will be all over this… oh also oh wait

Looks more like a mob hit. Who are Mossad’s subcontractors?

What can you expect? New York City is now about as corrupt as they come.
The antiquated subway system, the power grid on its last legs, measles epidemic –
these are all Third World problems.

I miss the time when this country was run by Christians (WASPS). It wasn’t perfect,
but nothing is this side of Paradise. But at least New York wasn’t in danger of
becoming the laughing stock of the world

Epstein was clearly an Israeli asset of some type.

Israel, American Jews, and leading politicians are glad he’s dead so they won’t be exposed.

This is what the mainstream media wanted too. They purposely concentrated on Epstein’s sex abuse of teens instead of his spy connections.

It is a sad commentary on us White Christian Americans that our country is virtually owned by the Jewish lobby and Israel.

99% of us White Christians are nothing but a bunch of sniveling cowards.

Are you proud of that? I’m not.

Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn’t become news? Is it normally newsworthy when a criminal offs himself in jail?

And even if there were brief reports, they may not mention the name of the jail.

The other reported suicide was a “drug kingpin.” Would a mid level dealer or random child porn downloader suicide really make the news? I have actually never once read an article in my local paper about a local jail/prison suicide, though I am sure it happens.

My favorite is the Camden Fakeout. Same as a Philly Fakeout, with the coup de grace you steal her purse for the bus fare back to Philly from Camden.

Hint. Russian can’t be done on a man, boy or girls 11 and younger. It’s a form of natural birth control.

It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.

You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.

True: I worked at Franklin in the mid-’80’s for about 3 or 4 months, as I recall. It was a weird place (that’s why I left so soon) but I saw nothing at the time that would lead me to believe there was organized child abuse. In retrospect, however, I do believe it happened, despite a lack of hard evidence. Why? In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

The real reason I believe the Franklin pedophile ring existed came from outside of my experience at Franklin. Harold Andersen – publisher of the World Herald – was known publicly to be a close confidant of King. I believe he was on the Franklin board, and was later rumored to be part of the pedo ring. Years before anyone knew anything about the embezzlement scandal or pedo rumors, my mom had told me she knew the lady who cleaned Andersen’s house, and this lady had found child pornography in his office (it was oriented towards young boys.) I’d say this was three or four years before everything became public. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but all the puzzle pieces fit together too well for me to ignore the probability of what went on.

I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?

You are joking aren’t you? Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

Did Epstein climb a wall of worry and jump to a conclusion?

Yeah, that would require, like, Mossad-level expertise… Whoops! Come, on, man… he could have been drugged, stunned, might not have actually been hanged, etc.

US Government didn’t even go after the jews who stole the uranium. It only executed the 2 Rosenbergs when every Jew at Los Alamos was helping send atomic secrets to the Soviets.
Jonathan Pollard was released from his life sentence.

The army Air Force knew about but ignored the 2 Jewish pilots who flew America’s newest radar devices and the complete instructions and plans for making them to Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

That was in exchange for Stalin’s ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation

We really can’t know if it was suicide or murder. But we do know:
1. If it was a murder it is quite brazen and shows how confident the killers are that they can control the narrative on the story in the world (not just US) media. It would be a sign that we live under totalitarian rule.
2. The fact that we can’t know if our governmnet is this corrupt or not, because so much of what our government does is secret, is a sign that we don’t have a democracy or republic worthy of the name. If we lived in a democracy or a republic we wouldn’t have to worry about this.
3. “Consipiracy theories” are no longer the province of kooks. Reasonable people now have to be conspiracy theorists to avoid being fooled by offical lies (Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
4. No good man can tolerate this condition. Something must change.

Arkancide no doubt.

Oh, I had no idea. I assumed massive increased blood pressure would cause a heart attack

Ibound1, my disagreement of your statement is that you imply the USA “political/media/everything else” structure is incompetent, stupid, or ineffectual. Just the opposite is true. The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want. The election of Trump was something of a monkey-wrench, but that was the last spasm of a people who will relatively soon have to decide to either fight (by “fight”, I don’t mean voting in another pointless election)…or die.

Bill’s body is degenerating at a rapid pace as is Hillary’s – they look like death. They are not even fuckable anymore, yet they will fight to the death of them to defend some imaginary image they have of themselves. I hate these slimey, truly trashy low-lives, since 1991. I want them tied to Epstein and rung under the keel of a ship, back & forth, until they can no longer speak.

No… In your extensive experience, exactly how hard is it?

At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

It could be very different where you live from the processes I have seen in Florida.

Certainly any CO could START the process of placing someone on suicide watch as you describe as an emergency procedure, but they would still have to be assessed by psych as soon as reasonably possible, and certainly within 24 hours for that process to continue for more than 24 hours, and they could only be released from suicidal watch on the with the approval of the psychiatrist.

If the process started at night, the inmate would still have to be taken to the medical department and seen by the nurse who would evaluate the inmate and make a call to the on-call doctor for a verbal order to start SHOS protocols, pending a more detailed psych eval the next day.

Since Epstein had been on suicide watch and released from it, it is unlikely that he was showing signs of suicidal intent that a CO would recognize as an emergency on Friday evening. In fact it is most likely that he would have wanted to hide any such indications.

Your assumption is that there are plenty of hallway rovers available at the weekend, or junior COs available to sit in front of the door flap and that overtime work would not be required, and neither you nor I can know what the staffing situation was like in that facility last night. In the prison I worked at, staffing was extremely tight at weekends, especially if a CO got injured or sick and had to leave, and there was constant pressure to reduce overtime which could easily be needed if someone was to remain on SHOS over the weekend.

I don’t think there’s been any reports he hanged himself. Just suicide. And who believes anything in the newspapers?

Reminds me of Don Corleone’s speech at the meeting of the Five Families in The Godfather, Part I.

“But if he (Michael) should hang himself in his jail cell… Or be struck by a bolt of lightning.”

“In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan.”

This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:

Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.

It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

As for “child sacrifice”, in that case you’re talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you’re talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.