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  1. Did anyone seriously expect he’d survive to stand trial? If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

    • Replies: @Simon Legree
    his being "discovered" and rushed to hospital may have been...

    smuggled out of jail.

    notice the absence of details of the first incident and the latter? what did he hang himself with, for example?
    , @Bubba

    If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.
     
    Agree.
    , @slumber_j
    My wife's immediate reaction was that he'd been smuggled out: note that it wasn't a corpse under a sheet or in a bag in those photos, but a guy getting oxygen. The thinking is that he was immediately on a plane to Israel or a third country.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    He was probably smuggled out.

    So upon whom will the coroner perform an autopsy?

    (Probably some other schmuck in NYC who had the misfortune to resemble Epstein. Somewhere near Manhattan there are right now grieving family members whose loved one was to be cremated somewhere. Instead, unbeknownst to them, his corpse was very, very useful.)

    Read the 4chan post from an employee at the Metropolitan Correctional Center from Saturday morning at 5:44 am:

    https://cloverchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Jeffrey-Epstein-NYC-MCC-Jail-Whistleblower-Message.jpg

    Here is a photo of the dead "Epstein" as he was wheeled out.

    Note the differences in the two men's ears. Ear shapes do not change like that.

    These are different men.

    https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/08/10/jail-guards-watching-jeffrey-epstein-were-reportedly-told-to-leave-hours-before-he-committed-suicide/
    , @Richard B
    "The politically connected multimillionaire was awaiting trial on new allegations of sexually abusing young girls in the early 2000s when he was magically whisked away by a Deus Ex Machina in the shape of The Star of David."
    , @BB753
    Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive and free. And she knows about as much about Epstein's dirty operations as Epstein. She even partook in abusing young girls.
    Her being still free and alive speaks volumes.
  2. Mossad

    • Agree: Hail, Svigor
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    "Mossad" -

    - or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.
    , @TWS
    The vile crap that Clinton had to have gotten up to on Epstein island is too much. They had to keep a lid on it.

    Mossad, why would they care? Even if he was their asset they would still have all the dirt he dished.
    , @tyrone
    Maybe it was something much more dangerous ……arkancide!
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Did the intelligence agency that was running Epstein really believe that he'd never be arrested and pressured to squeal?
    Didn't they have a back-up plan in case he was sent to jail? After all, Epstein was dodging serious charges for years, so the possibility of getting picked up again was not that remote.

    Would Epstein have been "suicided" if his handlers were sure he wouldn't talk/rat them out?

    Or, was Epstein threatening to tell all, and did his handlers decide to use "extreme prejudice"?

    If he did hint at anything to his lawyers, they are dead men walking . . .

    https://youtu.be/xA6V9qSAqdU
    , @joeystalin
    Looks more like a mob hit. Who are Mossad's subcontractors?
    , @Anonymous
    Why is Mossad more likely than Saudi intelligence? He met with MBS many times.
  3. To be on “suicide watch” means they watch you commit suicide…

    • Replies: @Alden
    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.
    , @Richard S
    His suicide came as a surprise, most of all to himself..
    , @dr kill
    I've been thinking this all day.
    , @foolisholdman
    Anyone know where the body is?
  4. As a general rule I try never to attribute to malice or chicanery what can be attributed to incompetence. But in this case… Maybe a thorough investigation of the finances of the person or people who decided to lift the suicide watch (assuming that report is correct) is in order.

    • Replies: @Alden
    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch
    And who knows it might be a report by an affirmative action moron psych tech the psychiatrist relies on. IF, and its a big if, the affirmative action moron can write a coherent end of third grade sentence
    , @Svigor
    Why? Why is that your general rule? Sounds like a stupid rule.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Donald Trump ordered Attorney General William Barr to look into this carefully . . .


    William Barr is the son of Donald Barr - OSS veteran, a former Jew who converted to Catholicism (?), the headmaster (and "employer" of one Jeffrey Epstein) at the Dalton School, a longtime college professor and educator at Columbia for decades, and the best part?

    Wrote for the New York Times regularly.

    So, I am very confident that the Barr family's longtime close personal ties to both Jeffrey Epstein and U.S. Intelligence will result in a completely transparent, hard- hitting, "let justice be done though the heavens fall" type of honest investigation . . .

    Or not.
  5. It’s very, very interesting how many normies aren’t buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Hopefully.

    Americans are such naive, gullible dupes. They'll believe any BS that the media/political elites feed them.

    I hope that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and finally teaches Americans the true nature of their ruling class. Americans need to learn to accept that assassinations, conspiracies, and corruption are normal behavior at the top.

    Epstein did not commit suicide. He was killed. Hopefully, Americans realize this and demand a true investigation into all of this.
    , @Prof. Woland
    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.
    , @Richard S
    I had to switch back temporarily to establishment media to see how this was being presented to the masses. With wry cynicism, it seems to me, even from the hairstyled mediabots reading the autocue.

    There’s not even the “plausible” deniability they had with Seth Rich, God bless his soul.
    , @Svigor
    White Nationalists are going to build a million miles of road out of this one.
  6. When even Colonel Lang over at his turcopolier blog is remarking about the scepticism of an old spook and how his Arabs joked about “prison ‘flu” there may be a chunk of indigestible gristle which could trigger violent up chucking.

  7. A quick scan of headlines show that the majority of them contain the word ‘suicide.’ The ones that don’t contain it seem to be pointed towards immediately dismissing any conspiracy theories as ridiculous and vindictive plots aimed at the sterling reputation of the Clinton cabal.

  8. CNN and MSNBC find this story to be so boring. Too bad he has a Jewish name or they could have pawned him off as one of us.

  9. Cui bono?

  10. Wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation?

    • LOL: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Alden
    Oh gross and icky.

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.
    , @Ancient Briton
    You mean he went for a drive with Kennedy?
    , @Richard B
    About the only thing we do know for sure is that he didn't use Occam's Razor.
    , @foolisholdman

    Wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation.
     
    What are you suggesting? That he choked on his own penis?
  11. He was suicided. My only surprise was that it didn’t come before the first document tranche.

    Somehow the other documents will be accidentally lost or ruined, by accident.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.
    , @Svigor
    Yep. It will be interesting to see how much of a coverup follows. The murder scene? Court documents? Evidence gathered? (((Ghislaine Maxwell))) skates?

    One complication is that the victims' lawyers are going after his estate. Speaking of, it'll be interesting to discover who is going to get Epstein's stuff (AFAIK he has no kids).

    Wouldn't be surprised if the victims' lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.

  12. !!**** Donald J. Trump Retweeted ****!!

  13. Thoughts?

    For a moment, forget that freak. It’s SkyKing day.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Then it's kind of happy and on-topic. Yes Epstein's [comical vaudeville music] "suicide" [/cvm] protects the scum on the top as happened with the DC Madam, but being that this is the Day of Barrel Rolling, it's a fitting resistance coincidence that one of theirs bought it as we remember one of ours. Roland has air support now.
    , @‘Fro-alition of the Cringes
    Thank you for the reminder. A Virtual Holiday.
  14. The Manhattan neighborhood where the Metropolitan Correctional Center is located is telling.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    And Roman Polanski, to boot! How apropos!
    , @Cagey Beast
    The funny thing is one of the two Red Scare chicks is on location in Chinatown giving me updates here in my Nova Scotia lobster fishing village. I'm glad we're now in the era of micro-celebrities. to hell with CNN and the rest of them. This little clip is gold. Amongst other things, it gives you a feel of the difference between Big Jew and little Jew:

    https://twitter.com/flossfurman/status/1160346724113821696
  15. I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    “According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" a total of 27 times. "Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not," according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who first revealed the former president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010 Daily Beast exposé.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-apparent-suicide

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US. I don’t know who the Clintons use but they’re first rate for sure. Ninja Assassins maybe?

    https://youtu.be/Gim3Jb8XsLM

    , @Kyle

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    -Ibound1

    This is succinct.
    , @Moses

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.
     
    Me too. No trust at all at this point. It’s all rigged.
    , @Charles
    Ibound1, my disagreement of your statement is that you imply the USA "political/media/everything else" structure is incompetent, stupid, or ineffectual. Just the opposite is true. The controllers of power and money in this country know - and generally get - what they want. The election of Trump was something of a monkey-wrench, but that was the last spasm of a people who will relatively soon have to decide to either fight (by "fight", I don't mean voting in another pointless election)...or die.
    , @Svigor
    Agree and amplify, at least in spirit. I routinely piss all over the stupid konspiracy kookery I read on this site, and have for years. And I think it's obvious that Epstein was running the pedo honey trap for International Jewry, AKA the Jewish mafia, that he was big-time glow-in-the-dark Mossad-connected, and that he was murdered at the behest of his associates.

    Will be interesting to see how much the authorities and media investigate Epstein's death, look into the prison employees who might've been involved, etc; some of them might want to investigate life insurance options too, btw.
    , @A Patron of the Arts
    I generally sneer at conspiracy theories... but this situation is sure giving me pause...
  16. Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein’s death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and — zany coincidence here — occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was “malfunctioning.”

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    sfx: Hillary cackle + Echo
    , @OilcanFloyd

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.
     
    It's probably a warning to all of us.
    , @Mr. Anon

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”
     
    I agree. The investigation will likely stop here, after a perfunctory inquiry into how he came to commit suicide in jail (and by "commit suicide" I mean "get himself murdered"). What's left to investigate? The accused is dead.

    Killing Epstein sends a clear message to all the young women who were in his stable: "This could be you. Shut up, if you know what's good for you."
    , @dr kill
    Why did he return to the USA. He could have stayed in France.
  17. The truly disturbing thing was that he was taken off suicide watch beforehand. Now we can’t be sure if NYC gaolers think suicide watch means watch this guy kill himself or not.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I thought he was in a federal lockup, not a city jail.
  18. Former Trump speechwriter and pro-American commentator Darren Beattie on the proper reaction to the Epstein death:

    Darren J. Beattie 🌐
    @DarrenJBeattie

    If our country wasn’t a joke, there would be a Mueller level probe into Epstein’s “suicide” that included extensive investigations into whether he was involved with a foreign intelligence agency — and which one.

    Chances of this happening?

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    The chances are roughly similar to those of the NYT, WaPo, CNN and MSNBC clamoring to get their hands on the thousands of VIP pedophile pictures and videos taken from Epstein's safe, so they can distribute them as widely as possible while speaking in very serious tones about Our Democracy and the public's right to know.

    Oh well, maybe Julian Assange can Wikileak the stuff. Oh, wait...

  19. Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

    Trump retweeted this.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.
     
    Typical Blumpfian demagoguery.

    The predictable follow-up act is: He is 'Monitoring' the Situation.

    Big Talk, No Action. -- No. Scratch that: Big talk, then long periods of do-nothing-ism, punctuated by sporadic actions that are the precise opposite of what you promised.

    , @R.G. Camara
    I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight----

    Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????
    , @Gordo
    That only shows he has zero control over the secret state.
    , @c matt

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.
     
    He finally tweets an accurate statement!
  20. Anon[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Just when the names start coming out: Bill Richardson, Al Gore, George Mitchell, a hedge fund billionaire whose name escapes me, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, a Prime Minister of this-or-that European Country………..

    and then three mass shootings when all the security cameras seem to have captured nothing (no video from a WalMart?) of three young white
    nutjob guys, two of whom are dead, two of whom were Democrats and one a Satanist. That got you to forget Epstein.

    Once you forgot him, he conveniently (Arkancides?) himself in prison……….while on suicide watch.

    The pedo island has had an underground fire also apparently, as much of the buildings on pedo island had subterannean levels connected to one another…….now probably burned up (the hidden cameras, physical restraints for human beings, possibly some sort of incenerator for human remains for the pesky girl or two who wanted to leave and had a big mouth).

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.
     
    It's pretty hard to imagine that happening, when whoever's trying to do the gutting is susceptible to blackmail by an NSA that can probably get its hands on any email or transcript of any phone call. Most people have something to hide, or at least be ashamed of, somewhere back in the past. This stuff has got to be ended from the inside.

    Long live Ed Snowden!
  21. Seriously though, it’s nice of you to give the cynical commenters here, as that former Baltimore Mayor said, “room to destroy,” but I’m sure we’re all curious to hear your opinion about the matter.

  22. • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Pizzagate is real.

    In one of the e-mails sent to Podesta (which was revealed by Wikileaks), there's a discussion of three children. The ages of the three children are discussed, as is the possibility of the children going into the pool. The children are also referred to as "entertainment."

    If that's not pedophilia, I don't know what is.

    See Tweet below.

    https://twitter.com/ComfiestPanda/status/805915093879947269

    In what normal circumstances do you refer to three children (who are not yours) as "entertainment." What non-pedophile explanation is there?
    , @Hail
    https://twitter.com/Ron4California/status/1160308603284144128

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/960686676572962817/ymB4wFQS_400x400.jpg

    "Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory."
    , @Rosie
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IXZY4-V5OIo/maxresdefault.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw8z381XcAARzhZ.jpg

  23. Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    Bill Clinton’s bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.
     
    He should have been on an Arkencide watch.
    , @Lagertha
    Bill's body is degenerating at a rapid pace as is Hillary's - they look like death. They are not even fuckable anymore, yet they will fight to the death of them to defend some imaginary image they have of themselves. I hate these slimey, truly trashy low-lives, since 1991. I want them tied to Epstein and rung under the keel of a ship, back & forth, until they can no longer speak.
    , @Counterinsurgency

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.
     
    This is an interesting point. How was this set up? Team from outside? Inside guards? You'd need at least two people active to "control the prisoner", with one in reserve. If some kind of "hanging" really was the case, you'd need time to set up the noose or whatever.

    During actual contact with E, you'd need the cooperation of the prison administration and the technical person who caused the video cameras to "fail", plus the guards assigned to the area, plus the building and hall guards and video equipment if you used a raiding force instead of corrupting existing access authorized personnel.

    All personnel read into the operation would be permanent security risks. They might leak information or even become witnesses for the prosecution under some circumstances.

    All of this is unavoidable. Intel and special ops guys aren't real ghosts backed up by real sorcerers with real magic powers. They have the usual limitations; it's just that they also have the near-magic of exfiltration. Unlike criminals, if they can get back to home base, they're really free, and they even have some hope of being freed after capture.

    You can see that this would be a significant operation. Even for the managers, God bless (or whatever) them because of possible blowback. The operation is feasible if enough money is spent, but it is very risky for all involved personnel (including E, of course).

    It would be impossible to believe that such an operation could have been risked if it weren't obvious that it was.. Even the Kennedy assassinations were less risky than an operation like this -- no "lone gunman" cutout here [1], too many people involved.

    The only way the USG could recover from this in the public eye would be a thorough investigation of the act _and_ of E's affairs, with subsequent prosecution of everybody involved in criminal acts. After 911, the Clinton e-mails, the Russia/Trump accusation, and the de facto "open borders", and most of all the #MeToo campaign, this "suicide" is a step into the abyss [2]. We're not quite falling yet, but as a first step they should treat the lockup as a crime scene. Everybody out. Investigation by a separate agency (uncorrupted if one can be found). Convincing evidence, trials, convictions, serious reform starting with the prison system and continuing to civil service in all Federal agencies.

    But that's not going to happen, and we'll start falling. The loss of legitimacy is going to hasten the society wide reorganization by years. I hate reorganizations, always messy, brute force and massive ignorance (BFMI), plus this time I and my dependents and descendents are likely to be hit by the splatter, but, well, when nothing else works, reorg and hope. Pray a lot too, it might help when you get to Heaven.

    In related news, anybody notice that downtown San Francisco was described yesterday as a health hazard greater than that of any known third world slum? [3] It's not as if the USG on any level is doing much to prop up its legitimacy and worth to the average citizen. This looks like a classic "third generation of the revolution throws it all away" situation, the revolution in this case having been Wilson, FDR, JFK/LBJ and the World Wars.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Even if you assume the Oswald killed JFK and Ruby acted on his own, Oswald was still inspired by at least Castro's government, and functioned as a cutout even if the plan was for Oswald to get away. The more complex scenarios, of course, treat Oswald as a cutout and nothing more.

    2] Famous misquote: Russian chief of state during perestroika. "Last year we stood on the brink of an abyss, but _this_ year we have taken a giant stride forward!" And now the US political class has done the same thing.

    3] https://newspunch.com/san-francisco-filthiest-slums/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html
  24. @Cagey Beast
    It's very, very interesting how many normies aren't buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

    Hopefully.

    Americans are such naive, gullible dupes. They’ll believe any BS that the media/political elites feed them.

    I hope that this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and finally teaches Americans the true nature of their ruling class. Americans need to learn to accept that assassinations, conspiracies, and corruption are normal behavior at the top.

    Epstein did not commit suicide. He was killed. Hopefully, Americans realize this and demand a true investigation into all of this.

  25. @Lawyer Guy
    He was suicided. My only surprise was that it didn't come before the first document tranche.

    Somehow the other documents will be accidentally lost or ruined, by accident.

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.
     
    No, no, Epstein's financier, Les Wexner, is the owner of Victoria Secret, PINK and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.
  26. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    First they staged an event in his jail cell two weeks ago.

    He gets sent to the hospital. Photos are taken of him on a gurney.

    Now they use those same photos of him on the gurney then and claim them as proof of his body being transported to the coroner today.

    Faked death. Shipped out to Israel by Mossad.

    There are substances that give a person the symptoms and appearance of death.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Right you are some kind of super carefully calibrated dose of tetrodotoxin in a federal detention center.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    There are rumors about Tim McVeigh's death - one witness claimed that he was still breathing (albeit very shallow breaths) AFTER he was pronounced "dead."

    Was McVeigh "posthumously"smuggled out of prison because he was the ultimate provocateur/insider/intelligence operative up to that point?

    Here's Susan Carlson from Chicago's WLS-AM radio and an eyewitness to McVeigh's "execution":

    SUSAN CARLSON: No fear – no fear whatsoever. No, no statement, no verbal statement – nothing to say. They, they did offer him the opportunity to speak, and I think everybody was waiting with bated breath… for what he was about to say, and he remained stone cold silent, stared directly at the ceiling, stoic, stoically, after he had made a point looking at all of us, he looked at the ceiling, he laid back down, and from that point on, he had no expression whatsoever. In fact, it was hard to even tell when he had passed on, because, of his shallow breathing – or what appeared to be shallow breathing – continued, even after they pronounced him dead, and his eyes remained open the entire time – I don’t even think he blinked – and he died with his eyes open.
  27. If Trump were interested in “winning”, as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery — ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc — that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

    This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein’s suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    Have there been any sightings of Ghislaine Maxwell in recent weeks? Maybe she will turn up for Mr. Epstein's state funeral in Tel Aviv, and the DOJ can see that she's still alive.
    , @bored identity
    Y'all forgetting that Orangutan from Queens had ENOUGH. of y'all:

    https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1159443206200811520
    , @Svigor
    The orange faggot could have drained half the swamp the day after he was inaugurated, by firing anyone who smelled funny at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., etc., etc; they have pretty much no legal protection from firing, because Cold War Taken Seriously.

    He's fired nobody.

    He sure as fuck isn't going to bother with investigations if he's too lazy or cowardly to even fire people.

  28. @Lot
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HeKPiuec2Ls/UBYsDwkcgLI/AAAAAAAADNc/qg0cGMgv2Og/s1600/mossad.jpg

    http://osnetdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/body_count_grows.jpeg

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1eopy4.jpg

    Pizzagate is real.

    In one of the e-mails sent to Podesta (which was revealed by Wikileaks), there’s a discussion of three children. The ages of the three children are discussed, as is the possibility of the children going into the pool. The children are also referred to as “entertainment.”

    If that’s not pedophilia, I don’t know what is.

    See Tweet below.

    In what normal circumstances do you refer to three children (who are not yours) as “entertainment.” What non-pedophile explanation is there?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    https://twitter.com/JohnDoe78359022/status/1156562364487163905
  29. @Lot
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HeKPiuec2Ls/UBYsDwkcgLI/AAAAAAAADNc/qg0cGMgv2Og/s1600/mossad.jpg

    http://osnetdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/body_count_grows.jpeg

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1eopy4.jpg

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone

    “Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Even when we have images of their faces because they all gaggled together and milled around in front of an unhidden security camera?
    , @Lot
    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.
    , @Anon
    I am sure Mossad occasionally does non-conspiracy things, but honestly, they don't get paid to do that. Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.
  30. @Forbes
    To be on "suicide watch" means they watch you commit suicide...

    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.

    • Replies: @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Alden!

    I think it's like the way meteorologists talk about tornados. A suicide watch means the conditions are right for a suicide. A suicide warning means a suicide has been observed in progress.
    , @Alden
    I checked suicide watch was 7-23 to 7-29.

    And the 2 guards on his corridor were told to leave because of middle of the night maintenance. Must be an easy job 11 pm to 7 am shift electricians and plumbers on duty every night in case of sudden electric fire or flood Night shift differential too. Probably need at least 2 people at all times because most jobs need 2 pairs of hands

    I bet this was the first middle of the night maintenance since the building was finished.
    And why would the guards have to leave? Who did this middle of the night maintenance?
    If they do exist they died in auto crashes at 7/30 Saturday morning after they left work.

    The absent guards are not liable because they followed procedure and obeyed the order to leave their post.

    Who gave the order? “ Oh, it came over the intercom. He said it was my superior, Captain so and so.” “ and did you indeed give the order?” Captain so and so?”
    “ no I did not”
  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein's death.

    Trump retweeted this.

    https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1160256105399967744

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.

    Typical Blumpfian demagoguery.

    The predictable follow-up act is: He is ‘Monitoring’ the Situation.

    Big Talk, No Action. — No. Scratch that: Big talk, then long periods of do-nothing-ism, punctuated by sporadic actions that are the precise opposite of what you promised.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Et tu, Hanson?

    (I agree with you all though. Hail's term is perfect - Trump is a bloviator.)

  32. Thoughts?

    Are we playing it safe, Steve? ツ

    Conspiracy theories pose a new domestic terrorism threat, according to a secret FBI document
    2019, August 01 | Sonam Sheth
    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-document-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism-threat-2019-8

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If this is the same FBI that refuses to do anything about leftists or Muslims then I'm shaking in my boots.
  33. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thoughts?
     
    For a moment, forget that freak. It’s SkyKing day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24Nl4_-DYM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZPkGk3mEKU

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmP-yyhVAAAhJ_b.jpg

    Then it’s kind of happy and on-topic. Yes Epstein’s [comical vaudeville music] “suicide” [/cvm] protects the scum on the top as happened with the DC Madam, but being that this is the Day of Barrel Rolling, it’s a fitting resistance coincidence that one of theirs bought it as we remember one of ours. Roland has air support now.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    Pizzagate is real.

    In one of the e-mails sent to Podesta (which was revealed by Wikileaks), there's a discussion of three children. The ages of the three children are discussed, as is the possibility of the children going into the pool. The children are also referred to as "entertainment."

    If that's not pedophilia, I don't know what is.

    See Tweet below.

    https://twitter.com/ComfiestPanda/status/805915093879947269

    In what normal circumstances do you refer to three children (who are not yours) as "entertainment." What non-pedophile explanation is there?

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.
     

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.
     
    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,
  35. @Hail
    https://twitter.com/Ron4California/status/1160308603284144128

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/960686676572962817/ymB4wFQS_400x400.jpg

    "Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory."

    Even when we have images of their faces because they all gaggled together and milled around in front of an unhidden security camera?

  36. @Malcolm X-Lax
    As a general rule I try never to attribute to malice or chicanery what can be attributed to incompetence. But in this case... Maybe a thorough investigation of the finances of the person or people who decided to lift the suicide watch (assuming that report is correct) is in order.

    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch
    And who knows it might be a report by an affirmative action moron psych tech the psychiatrist relies on. IF, and its a big if, the affirmative action moron can write a coherent end of third grade sentence

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch.
     
    Right. And a suicide watch is expensive because you have to have a guard doing nothing else but keep Epstein in his sight.

    This looks very bad, but it could simply be incompetence.
    , @jack daniels
    Rudy Giuliani, a former police chief/DA/ mayor, makes an excellent point in an extremely pithy video on youtube: Whether one is a suicide risk is a function of certain conditions and it is unusual to satisfy those conditions on Monday and fail to satisfy them on Thursday. You don't need to ask a psychiatrist! Epstein faced life in prison. If not isolated he would face an ugly death at the hands of a fellow prisoner. If isolated his life would be hell. So he had lots of ongoing incentive to kill himself. This is not an arcane theorem of psychiatric pseudo-science but a fact of the human condition.
    Giuliani also points out that you can take him off suicide watch without taking him off WATCH. As the most vulnerable and important prisoner in the facility he should have been on video camera 24/7. Stories about incompetent or overworked guards don't add up. Any sensible jailer would see that Epstein was continuously monitored by competent guards in addition to videocam.
    I would add that stories about 'overworked guards' and 'substitute guards' must be classified as attempts to divert the investigation, since both points are worthless.
  37. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    “According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the “Lolita Express” a total of 27 times. “Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not,” according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff – who first revealed the former president’s extensive flights on Epstein’s “lolita express” in a 2010 Daily Beast exposé.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-apparent-suicide

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US. I don’t know who the Clintons use but they’re first rate for sure. Ninja Assassins maybe?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    He was a dead man once he came back to the US.

    So why did he come back?
  38. My deceased parents, aunts and grandparents all said they could remember exactly what they were doing, how they felt and where they were when they heard that WW2 had broken out.

    Now I understand exactly what they meant.

    The people in control of our lives are so diabolical that they would not even find a place in hell.

    All doubt has now been removed.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Wait, where were you at 9/11?
  39. @Clifford Brown
    The Manhattan neighborhood where the Metropolitan Correctional Center is located is telling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uSz0mEtEsQ

    And Roman Polanski, to boot! How apropos!

  40. @Johnny789
    Wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation?

    Oh gross and icky.

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.
     
    Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

    Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.
    , @jen1
    viagra makes blood pressure fall.
  41. Hey guys…

    • Replies: @Lot
    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    , @fnn
    <blockquote<Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail.
     
    , @Lagertha
    Rod Rosenstein sounds really creepy himself, teaching all of us doufusses about pedophiles...hmmm? he seems to know a lot about Epstein.
    , @Kronos
    This is still the BEST one minute video on the Epstein criminal chase/case.

    https://youtu.be/aKnX5wci404

  42. @Alden
    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.

    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the “suicide.”

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the “do it late Friday evening” trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    • Agree: Cucksworth, jack daniels
    • Replies: @Lot
    “He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

    Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

    I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?
    , @Cortes
    Especially difficult on Saturday morning for orthodox personnel to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner.
    , @Alden
    My Mom was about 20 Pearl Harbor Day. She thought it was a radio play like Orson Welles War of the Worlds because it was on Sunday when most people aren’t at work and in December when most people stay inside.

    I wonder if it will be front page headlines Sunday.
    , @R.G. Camara
    As a counter-weight to your argument---and it is a good one---there is a "new" second media cycle, Thursday-Sunday.

    The old media cycle was that Sunday/Monday set the tone for the week, and then by Thursday night/Friday morning, everyone in the corporate media was tired and ready for the weekend, and the audience presumably was as well, so things died. This is why Sunday morning news shows (such as Meet The Press) were so important, even though they were all taped Thursday and Friday: they set the tone for the week.

    But the internet has upended this, making Thurday-Sunday a new cycle. Lot of non-lefty dudes at home on the weekend making YouTube streams and blog posts about their hate of the Leftism of the day.

    Trump has capitalized on this new cycle number of times, so I don't think its by accident; he'll do or say something either late Thursday or on Friday at a rally, and it resets the tone in his favor. He did this strikingly when he called out Sweden's terrorism at a rally on either a Thursday or a Friday.
    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    Well, at least we are unlikely to have another false flag mass shooting this weekend.
    , @bartolo1
    "E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment."

    Not so. After declaring "White Supremacy" a hoax, Tucker decided to go on "vacation" fly fishing to be exact.

    It is a pattern at Fox.

    Painful watching how little they get away with, while other pundits elsewhere are allowed free reign.
  43. I’m more interested in which Jewish patriot takes over Epstein’s role.

  44. And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or “psych specialists”.

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam’s Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    All this would be tolerable if we were talking about a hotel room or a prison that had had suicides ever before in its history.
    , @Kronos
    “A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.”

    If so, any bets on the brand of toilet paper?

    P.S. it’s random, but has anyone else noticed that toilet rolls are getting thinner and smaller as (regardless of brand) the years go by? (Maybe it’s just my fat a$# getting bigger.)

    https://youtu.be/ZfL8GENoFe8

    , @Jack Hanson
    Unless you worked at this particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that "so and so said he was going to kill himself" or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a "massive cost". It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.
    , @Alden
    Toilet paper may have been because of diarrhea due to the stress of everything crashing down after he’d received a nothing sentence the first time he was convicted.


    And since when do prison guards do maintenance on cameras or any other kind of maintenance? They don’t.
    , @Ozymandias
    "It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK."

    Not when that inmate just happens to be the most endangered man on the planet. Stop pretending this was just a typical case. It wasn't. Not in any way whatsoever.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.
     
    I believe he was awaiting an appeal of his bail decision. He might have had the expectation of release and house-arrest, at least for a time. A slim possibility, but real none-the-less. He had not even been tried, let alone convicted. And he did beat this rap before. If he wanted to kill himself, he would have any number of opportunities after he was convicted, when things truly would be hopeless for him.
    , @Mr. Anon

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports).
     
    Gee, I wonder why. Did he ask for hand lotion too?
    , @Anne Lid
    The only way he could have killed himself with tp was if he had stuffed it in his own throat. But it is very painful to choke, unlikely that he had the guts to it.
    , @foolisholdman
    It seems to me to be at least as probable as any of the other theories, that the USG Deep State simply took one of their own out of danger. "How was he killed?" begs the question "Was he killed?" The records he left, aired in court would probably be harder to suppress than the row over his "suicide". It certainly looks as though whatever was done was done with the full cooperation of the prison, not in spite of it. Probably, if there is a "rogue element" in this story it is the authorities in South NY that had him arrested.
  45. @Hail
    https://twitter.com/Ron4California/status/1160308603284144128

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/960686676572962817/ymB4wFQS_400x400.jpg

    "Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory."

    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Pilpul
    , @J.Ross
    So how did he shoo the guards and deactivate the cameras?
    , @anonymous
    You really are a disgusting person.
  46. Epstein seems to have lived a good, full life. Except for not having children.

    Sexual conduct with underage girls is wrong.

    I am not interested in conspiracy theories unless there is stronger evidence.

    • Disagree: Hail
  47. @Lot
    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

    Pilpul

  48. @22pp22
    My deceased parents, aunts and grandparents all said they could remember exactly what they were doing, how they felt and where they were when they heard that WW2 had broken out.

    Now I understand exactly what they meant.

    The people in control of our lives are so diabolical that they would not even find a place in hell.

    All doubt has now been removed.

    Wait, where were you at 9/11?

    • Replies: @22pp22
    I remember being shaken by the news, but I am not American and terrorism was part of my childhood. The IRA seemed to plant a bomb in London or Birmingham every other week. It became part of everyday life. Also NYC is a long way away. I have lived in NZ for most of my adult life. 'Only' fifty people were killed in the Christchurch massacre, but, because it was unprecedented, unexpected and happened close to home, it unleashed a wave of competitive grieving that made Princess Diana's funeral look tame by comparison
  49. No “dead man switch” data drop? That might explain why this took so long. The loose ends tied in advance.

  50. @Anonymous
    First they staged an event in his jail cell two weeks ago.

    He gets sent to the hospital. Photos are taken of him on a gurney.

    Now they use those same photos of him on the gurney then and claim them as proof of his body being transported to the coroner today.

    Faked death. Shipped out to Israel by Mossad.

    There are substances that give a person the symptoms and appearance of death.

    Right you are some kind of super carefully calibrated dose of tetrodotoxin in a federal detention center.

  51. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    “He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

    Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

    I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Have you or have you not seen Epstein's will yet?
    , @Alden
    Jews don’t work in jails except as shrinks and some losers as group therapists yoga teachers something like that. It’s been an affirmative action job for a long time especially in a 20 percent black city like NYC.
  52. @Flip
    Mossad

    “Mossad” –

    – or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    Either with Mossad or MI6, the CIA would have had to approve the hit in a federal prison.

    That's how Five Eyes plus a Star of David plus an all-seeing eye works.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    First Diana (for threatening to marry a muslim), and now Epstein (for threatening to reveal info about Andrew). She’s as ruthless as any of her ancestors.
    , @Bill Jones
    Damn you!

    I've been looking for a reason to use Louche for months!
  53. @Lot
    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

    So how did he shoo the guards and deactivate the cameras?

  54. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    Especially difficult on Saturday morning for orthodox personnel to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner.

    • LOL: Alden
  55. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    https://twitter.com/JohnDoe78359022/status/1156562364487163905

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.

    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Dear Jonathan, sometimes bad people say things indirectly, in code, or in argot, to avoid making their criminal activities obvious. 16 is age of consent pretty widely so why not just write out a clearer message with fewer characters?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Then why not say 16?

    They're clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to "speak Russian."

    No reason to say "2 x 8" to indicate a 16 year old. There's something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

    The "2 x 8" and "speak Russian" phrases are of a very ominous nature.
    , @Cato
    "2 x 8" = 2 girls, each 8-years old?
  56. We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    • Replies: @Hail

    Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?
     
    If Epstein surfaces alive and well in Israel, and if the CNN-MSNBC-Fox-NYT-WaPo Big Media axis begins to slam anyone who asks questions, accusing them of anti-Semitism, it will (well and truly) be time to get it over with and dissolve the USA. Too hard to recover national dignity. We would be a continent-wide farce.

    More optimistic suggestion: Dissolve the Deep State and elect a new one.

    , @Counterinsurgency

    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?
     
    Here's a story for you:
    After Lenin died, Lenin's widow came to Stalin during the succession crisis and said "My husband opposed you, and I will too". Stalin said: "My people control the press. If you oppose me, even within the Party, I will get a new Lenin's widow. We will tell the public and the Party that Lenin secretly hated you, and divorced you years ago. He said nothing of this to save the Party embarrassment. Lenin also secretly remarried, and his secret wife is Lenin's real widow. You are not, you are a discarded woman who hurt Lenin. However, if you do not oppose me, you can continue in your comfortable life."

    The story is told to show how deep (and easy) the deception by government can be. The USSR finally ended when the general public stop believing _anything_ their government said. Rather like the inhabitants of San Francisco or Paris having a hard time now believing they live in one of the world's most beautiful cities. [1]

    "And a tidal wave is rising
    as we dance along the beach,
    sneering at our own reflections
    laughing at our shudder shapes."
    from "Serpent's Reach", search youtube.com

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.php
    "Paris - Then and the Slum it is Now"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5cA1bC8J1k
  57. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    All this would be tolerable if we were talking about a hotel room or a prison that had had suicides ever before in its history.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    What's a cite for the no suicides ever at MCC? It's a pretty big prison that's 40 years old, including one dormitory unit and many cell units. It's unlikely this is the first suicide.
  58. @Hail
    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.

    No, no, Epstein’s financier, Les Wexner, is the owner of Victoria Secret, PINK and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

    • LOL: Kyle
    • Replies: @Hail

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.
     
    Conceded.

    And the classic, LatAm 'banana republics' were owned by the CIA.

    Or at least the latter had 'veto power' over the former.

    It feels like we are the new banana republic, in that we don't seem to have control over our own affairs, and an outside force intervenes to keep us on the intended path. Always.

    Trump also bears all the hallmarks of the classic banana-republic demagogue, frankly, and we all knew it going in. It turns out he was kind of an elaborate political con artist (perhaps moreso than the usual 'demagogue,' but still). There are lots of parallels, and this without even mentioning "banana republic demographics..."

  59. @Flip
    Mossad

    The vile crap that Clinton had to have gotten up to on Epstein island is too much. They had to keep a lid on it.

    Mossad, why would they care? Even if he was their asset they would still have all the dirt he dished.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    Because if you don't at least try to protect your assets, you don't get any more assets.
  60. If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.
     
    Whoever it was, the mission was so very risky that it would only have been approved if the damage from a live Epstein would have had to exceed the damage from a blown mission cover. And that's saying something.

    Counterinsurgency
  61. @Jonathan Mason

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.
     

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.
     
    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

    Dear Jonathan, sometimes bad people say things indirectly, in code, or in argot, to avoid making their criminal activities obvious. 16 is age of consent pretty widely so why not just write out a clearer message with fewer characters?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Good point, but it should be even stronger: at least a third of all Americans live in a State where the age of consent is seventeen or eighteen (with limited exceptions in some of them for adults who are relatively close in age to the minor). Here are the most populous of that group:

    CA, 40 million, age eighteen
    TX, 29 million, age seventeen
    FL, 22 million, age eighteen
    NY, 19 million, age eighteen
    NJ, 9 million, age seventeen

    So arranging sex for an adult who is at least his early 20s, with a sixteen-year-old, would be a crime in those States, period.

    Try it with our daughters, and the guy won’t make it to trial. Or to the airport.

  62. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    “A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.”

    If so, any bets on the brand of toilet paper?

    P.S. it’s random, but has anyone else noticed that toilet rolls are getting thinner and smaller as (regardless of brand) the years go by? (Maybe it’s just my fat a$# getting bigger.)

    • Replies: @Gentle Hysteric
    You are joking aren't you? Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

    Did Epstein climb a wall of worry and jump to a conclusion?
  63. @Clifford Brown
    Hey guys...

    https://twitter.com/RodRosenstein/status/1160228283394514945

    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Pedophiles don't "kill" themselves.

    Pedophiles typically have many accomplices. It's a well known fact a considerable number of powerful men participate in these pedophile rings. When one guy gets caught, he becomes the fall guy and takes the blame. If it looks like he might turn, he gets "suicided" before he can talk.

    Given what happened to Epstein today, is it really so implausible that other molesters could've been killed in jail by assassins? Given how low-profile most of those cases are in general, it'd be so much easier to get away with assassinations.

    I find it breathtaking that even with all this public attention, Epstein couldn't have been prevented from committing "suicide."
    , @Art Deco
    Federal courts have jurisdiction over Indian reservations, DC, and insular dependencies. State courts over everything else.
    , @TWS
    Feds prosecute serious crimes on the res. I won't say all serious crime because they ignore most everything but a slam dunk.

    So most folks fall under their state system. The other fed category is guys who cross state lines or get caught by a sting.

    Yes there's lots of crime including sex crimes on a res.
    , @Peterike
    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.
  64. @Anonymous
    First they staged an event in his jail cell two weeks ago.

    He gets sent to the hospital. Photos are taken of him on a gurney.

    Now they use those same photos of him on the gurney then and claim them as proof of his body being transported to the coroner today.

    Faked death. Shipped out to Israel by Mossad.

    There are substances that give a person the symptoms and appearance of death.

    There are rumors about Tim McVeigh’s death – one witness claimed that he was still breathing (albeit very shallow breaths) AFTER he was pronounced “dead.”

    Was McVeigh “posthumously”smuggled out of prison because he was the ultimate provocateur/insider/intelligence operative up to that point?

    Here’s Susan Carlson from Chicago’s WLS-AM radio and an eyewitness to McVeigh’s “execution”:

    SUSAN CARLSON: No fear – no fear whatsoever. No, no statement, no verbal statement – nothing to say. They, they did offer him the opportunity to speak, and I think everybody was waiting with bated breath… for what he was about to say, and he remained stone cold silent, stared directly at the ceiling, stoic, stoically, after he had made a point looking at all of us, he looked at the ceiling, he laid back down, and from that point on, he had no expression whatsoever. In fact, it was hard to even tell when he had passed on, because, of his shallow breathing – or what appeared to be shallow breathing – continued, even after they pronounced him dead, and his eyes remained open the entire time – I don’t even think he blinked – and he died with his eyes open.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    A lot of real men go out as men. That's what the journalist was describing. Watch the video of Saddam's hanging, or Ragnar Lothbrok die in Vikings.
  65. The Trump era seems to be cracking open the existing Establishment like a rotten coconut. The craziness is just starting, I fear. This ride is not going to be fun. What happens when the people running a massive pyramid scheme stop trusting one another?

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Every 70 or so years the U.S. goes through a major restructuring. Encrusted systems of injustice make people sufficiently angry that they are willing to forgo short- and medium-term comfort in order to reorganize the systems.
  66. The only difference between New York today and Manila in 1983 is that the Filipinos had the balls to chase the Marcos crime family out of the country.

  67. • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    So, thus far, we know the following:

    The SDNY--a hive of Comeyism/Brennanism/Clapperism until Trump won the Russiagate Conspiracy, but perhaps less so now--charges Epstein again.

    Trump is basically totally clear. Indeed, the lawyer for the woman pursuing these cases civilly (whom Epstein recruited at Mar a Lago) recently said that in 2009 Trump was the only person who answered his phone call and was completely candid about his knowledge of Epstein.

    Bill Clinton has been revealed to have flown on the Lolita Express 20-something times and often without Secret Service protection. His spokesperson boldly lied recently and said he'd only flown on Epstein's plane four times. Ghislaine Maxwell had a prime seat at Chelsea's wedding after Epstein had finished his 2008 sentence.

    Legal documents were released this week implicating serious international heavyweights in an underage sex ring, including billionaires, national-level Democratic politicians, and Royals from the House of Hanover.

    Epstein has mysteriously died in a Manhattan federal prison as the most high-profle prisoner in the U.S., the U.K., Israel, and perhaps the entire world--a couple weeks after a previous "suicide attempt."

    Trump Tweeted a clip expressly implicating the Clintons, and Giuliani, former head of the SDNY, has said this doesn't look like a suicide.

  68. @Hail
    Former Trump speechwriter and pro-American commentator Darren Beattie on the proper reaction to the Epstein death:

    Darren J. Beattie 🌐
    @DarrenJBeattie

    If our country wasn't a joke, there would be a Mueller level probe into Epstein's "suicide" that included extensive investigations into whether he was involved with a foreign intelligence agency -- and which one.
     

    Chances of this happening?

    The chances are roughly similar to those of the NYT, WaPo, CNN and MSNBC clamoring to get their hands on the thousands of VIP pedophile pictures and videos taken from Epstein’s safe, so they can distribute them as widely as possible while speaking in very serious tones about Our Democracy and the public’s right to know.

    Oh well, maybe Julian Assange can Wikileak the stuff. Oh, wait…

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    But who cares because the 8chan weaponized autist crowd will be all over this... oh also oh wait
  69. “Thank heaven for little girls… “

  70. @Hail
    Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein's death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and -- zany coincidence here -- occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was "malfunctioning."

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious
     

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”
     

    sfx: Hillary cackle + Echo

  71. @Clifford Brown

    Two words come to mind:

    Banana Republic.
     
    No, no, Epstein's financier, Les Wexner, is the owner of Victoria Secret, PINK and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

    Banana Republic is owned by the GAP.

    Conceded.

    And the classic, LatAm ‘banana republics’ were owned by the CIA.

    Or at least the latter had ‘veto power’ over the former.

    It feels like we are the new banana republic, in that we don’t seem to have control over our own affairs, and an outside force intervenes to keep us on the intended path. Always.

    Trump also bears all the hallmarks of the classic banana-republic demagogue, frankly, and we all knew it going in. It turns out he was kind of an elaborate political con artist (perhaps moreso than the usual ‘demagogue,’ but still). There are lots of parallels, and this without even mentioning “banana republic demographics…”

  72. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    My Mom was about 20 Pearl Harbor Day. She thought it was a radio play like Orson Welles War of the Worlds because it was on Sunday when most people aren’t at work and in December when most people stay inside.

    I wonder if it will be front page headlines Sunday.

  73. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    Unless you worked at this particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.
     
    It could be very different where you live from the processes I have seen in Florida.

    Certainly any CO could START the process of placing someone on suicide watch as you describe as an emergency procedure, but they would still have to be assessed by psych as soon as reasonably possible, and certainly within 24 hours for that process to continue for more than 24 hours, and they could only be released from suicidal watch on the with the approval of the psychiatrist.

    If the process started at night, the inmate would still have to be taken to the medical department and seen by the nurse who would evaluate the inmate and make a call to the on-call doctor for a verbal order to start SHOS protocols, pending a more detailed psych eval the next day.

    Since Epstein had been on suicide watch and released from it, it is unlikely that he was showing signs of suicidal intent that a CO would recognize as an emergency on Friday evening. In fact it is most likely that he would have wanted to hide any such indications.

    Your assumption is that there are plenty of hallway rovers available at the weekend, or junior COs available to sit in front of the door flap and that overtime work would not be required, and neither you nor I can know what the staffing situation was like in that facility last night. In the prison I worked at, staffing was extremely tight at weekends, especially if a CO got injured or sick and had to leave, and there was constant pressure to reduce overtime which could easily be needed if someone was to remain on SHOS over the weekend.
  74. “Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself. ”

    Your Devil’s Advocate shtick would carry more water if there was any pattern established among enormously rich and powerful narcissistic men committing suicide after arrest and or conviction for sex crimes.

    I’m mean, at this point he was more likely to request a sex change based on Sailer’s theory about rich powerful Alphas going tranny post middle age.

    But if anything he probably believed that he could beat the case just based on who he was.

    Based on what we are seeing already in the immediate reactions on SM, there’s a serious effort to (((circle the wagons))) from all sides.

    You’d be wise to pick a better battle to fight. There’s no believable way he killed himself.

  75. Wow, the people who are constantly running interference for a certain country and it’s ethnics and who are hand waving this as no big deal are looking like one big circle on the Venn Diagram.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Cohencidence
    , @Lot
    Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP.

    But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay.

    The paranoid mind believes the conspiracy first, facts are fitted to the conspiracy or just ignored.
  76. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.

    -Ibound1

    This is succinct.

  77. @Jonathan Mason

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.
     

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.
     
    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

    Then why not say 16?

    They’re clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to “speak Russian.”

    No reason to say “2 x 8” to indicate a 16 year old. There’s something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

    The “2 x 8” and “speak Russian” phrases are of a very ominous nature.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    There's a lot of people suddenly stubbornly, disingenuously obtuse, aren't there?

    There are also a lot of people very uncomfortable with the fact a global cabal of satanic pedophiles rule over us.
    , @R.G. Camara
    "Russian" is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like "Greek" is slang for anal sex.
  78. Epstein was either killed by Big Jew or had his death faked by Big Jew. That’s my conspiracy theory.

  79. @95Theses

    Thoughts?
     
    Are we playing it safe, Steve? ツ

    Conspiracy theories pose a new domestic terrorism threat, according to a secret FBI document
    2019, August 01 | Sonam Sheth
    https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-document-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terrorism-threat-2019-8

    If this is the same FBI that refuses to do anything about leftists or Muslims then I’m shaking in my boots.

  80. @Flip
    Mossad

    Maybe it was something much more dangerous ……arkancide!

  81. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    Toilet paper may have been because of diarrhea due to the stress of everything crashing down after he’d received a nothing sentence the first time he was convicted.

    And since when do prison guards do maintenance on cameras or any other kind of maintenance? They don’t.

  82. Succint analysis I’ve seen:

    “Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    “Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.
     
    Covington, at the end, used to say that the problem was not that people didn't know what would be required to save their freedom and their continued existence as a people, but rather that they knew full well, and the thought was unbearable to most people.
  83. @Lot
    “He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

    Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

    I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?

    Have you or have you not seen Epstein’s will yet?

  84. 8ch got shut down because it was posting Epstein docs from someone with access.

    They had someone on the island taking pictures of that weird temple ffs. You really think “inciting violence” was the reason?

  85. A little comic relief.

    • Replies: @Gunner
    You can’t judge an egg by its shell.
  86. I’m not one for conspiracy theories of any sort, and even in this case I’m leaning more towards “not a conspiracy theory,” but I find myself having doubts. That said, there are a few things that I can’t really reconcile:

    1. He had attempted suicide before very recently, and this is a high profile case, so he should be under constant surveillance. He’s so high-value (both financially and criminally) that no matter the cost, he would be constantly under surveillance. There should be no way that this guy just slips through the cracks and offs himself. The level of incompetence required to make this happen might only be seen in the most corrupt African countries.

    2. He had attempted suicide before very recently, so why would someone else attempt to assist him or kill him? This is one of those “if you’re going to kill the king, don’t miss” type situations. Had he died in the first attempt, it would be plausible that it was suicide; but a second attempt in such close succession? This would make it obvious that someone was out to kill him, and ruin the entire clandestine nature of it. Chances of the assassin (and assassination plot) being found out are much greater.

    I don’t quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone else did it.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman

    I don’t quite know what to make of this. 1 makes it highly unlikely he did this himself, but 2 makes it highly unlikely someone else did it.
     
    Highly unlikely = Very improbable. (Im)probabilities multiply each other, so now multiply that improbability by the improbability of the cameras "just happening to be out of order" by the improbability of his not being on suicide watch.

    What this makes clear is that whatever the real story is, it is very, very improbable the one that is being told to us is true.

    "But that" I hear you cry "means that the government is lying to us!" OK, Now compare the probability that the story we are being told is true with the probability that the government is lying to us. The choice is yours but I know which I would choose. (As a working hypothesis, that is!)

  87. @Lot
    “He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news”

    Wouldn’t it have been even better to make it look like he died naturally, or a drug OD, when he wasn’t in a federal jail? Before he was charged again?

    I guess maybe you could say the Mossad haven’t penetrated the JYC Jews in the SDNY USA’s office and didn’t know the arrest was coming. But they have penetrated the people running the fed jail, but not the lawyers?

    Jews don’t work in jails except as shrinks and some losers as group therapists yoga teachers something like that. It’s been an affirmative action job for a long time especially in a 20 percent black city like NYC.

  88. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    As a counter-weight to your argument—and it is a good one—there is a “new” second media cycle, Thursday-Sunday.

    The old media cycle was that Sunday/Monday set the tone for the week, and then by Thursday night/Friday morning, everyone in the corporate media was tired and ready for the weekend, and the audience presumably was as well, so things died. This is why Sunday morning news shows (such as Meet The Press) were so important, even though they were all taped Thursday and Friday: they set the tone for the week.

    But the internet has upended this, making Thurday-Sunday a new cycle. Lot of non-lefty dudes at home on the weekend making YouTube streams and blog posts about their hate of the Leftism of the day.

    Trump has capitalized on this new cycle number of times, so I don’t think its by accident; he’ll do or say something either late Thursday or on Friday at a rally, and it resets the tone in his favor. He did this strikingly when he called out Sweden’s terrorism at a rally on either a Thursday or a Friday.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Interesting thoughts and valid enough. Working under the assumption that it was a Mossad hit, though, what day/time would a senior Mossad official most likely order the deed to be done? IOW, not the subtleties of reality, but the thought process of a Mossad goon-boss.

    Heck, whoever did this (Mossad being the obvious suspect, given Epstein's links) might even have chosen this day after their team found data suggesting that the (upcoming) second full week of August is the time the most Americans are on vacation of any week in the summer, as well, further softening the blow.

    Friday-to-Saturday overnight; lots of important people away or otherwise more disconnected than usual even when Monday comes around. The "Dog Days."

  89. @Lot
    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    Pedophiles don’t “kill” themselves.

    Pedophiles typically have many accomplices. It’s a well known fact a considerable number of powerful men participate in these pedophile rings. When one guy gets caught, he becomes the fall guy and takes the blame. If it looks like he might turn, he gets “suicided” before he can talk.

    Given what happened to Epstein today, is it really so implausible that other molesters could’ve been killed in jail by assassins? Given how low-profile most of those cases are in general, it’d be so much easier to get away with assassinations.

    I find it breathtaking that even with all this public attention, Epstein couldn’t have been prevented from committing “suicide.”

  90. @JohnnyWalker123
    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein's death.

    Trump retweeted this.

    https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1160256105399967744

    I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight—-

    Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    duh
    , @Buck Ransom
    Trump using Epstein to take down the Clintons. That was Tom Luongo's first impression and he wrote a couple of columns about it a month or so ago:

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/08/epstein-arrest-peak-swamp/

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/12/acosta-resigns-project-epstein-trump/
  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    Then why not say 16?

    They're clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to "speak Russian."

    No reason to say "2 x 8" to indicate a 16 year old. There's something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

    The "2 x 8" and "speak Russian" phrases are of a very ominous nature.

    There’s a lot of people suddenly stubbornly, disingenuously obtuse, aren’t there?

    There are also a lot of people very uncomfortable with the fact a global cabal of satanic pedophiles rule over us.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.
  92. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    Bill Clinton's bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    He should have been on an Arkencide watch.

  93. @Jack Hanson
    Wow, the people who are constantly running interference for a certain country and it's ethnics and who are hand waving this as no big deal are looking like one big circle on the Venn Diagram.

    Cohencidence

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Lol!
  94. @dearieme
    Did anyone seriously expect he'd survive to stand trial? If he wasn't murdered he's been smuggled out of jail.

    his being “discovered” and rushed to hospital may have been…

    smuggled out of jail.

    notice the absence of details of the first incident and the latter? what did he hang himself with, for example?

    • Replies: @Hail
    Let's say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a 'hit'/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a "smuggling out of jail"), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?
  95. @JohnnyWalker123
    Then why not say 16?

    They're clearly talking in code words, especially when they talk about how the girl will teach him to "speak Russian."

    No reason to say "2 x 8" to indicate a 16 year old. There's something darker and more sinister going on here than we can comprehend. Pedophiles frequently use code words to cloak their disgusting acts.

    The "2 x 8" and "speak Russian" phrases are of a very ominous nature.

    “Russian” is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like “Greek” is slang for anal sex.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I question this. What act? Russians are famously obsessed with ... Greek, which shows the effectiveness of Orthodoxy, but which also means there's already a nationality-name assigned. Also the former Soyuz and especially Ukraine is infamously a pedo and human trafficker preserve.
    Also what would Kazakh be? Would Mongol be on a horse?
    , @Prosa123
    Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman's boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
    "Russian" is a slang term for a certain sexual act/position?

    Okay, then, what I want to know is what is "the lioness on the cheese grater"?
  96. @Flip
    Mossad

    Did the intelligence agency that was running Epstein really believe that he’d never be arrested and pressured to squeal?
    Didn’t they have a back-up plan in case he was sent to jail? After all, Epstein was dodging serious charges for years, so the possibility of getting picked up again was not that remote.

    Would Epstein have been “suicided” if his handlers were sure he wouldn’t talk/rat them out?

    Or, was Epstein threatening to tell all, and did his handlers decide to use “extreme prejudice”?

    If he did hint at anything to his lawyers, they are dead men walking . . .

  97. @Hopscotch
    If Trump were interested in "winning", as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery -- ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc -- that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

    This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein's suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

    Have there been any sightings of Ghislaine Maxwell in recent weeks? Maybe she will turn up for Mr. Epstein’s state funeral in Tel Aviv, and the DOJ can see that she’s still alive.

  98. How is there no video of it? My #1 priority would have been constant video surveillance the second he was arrested. That’s even more important than suicide watch. I want to see video of him killing himself, anything short of that and the entire American public loses faith in our joke of a justice system. Suicide is suspicious. He got off with a slap on the wrist last time, he must have good lawyers. Why give up before the trial? This is infuriating.

  99. Obviously, now, the Story of the Century (so far). All the King’s horses & all the King’s men won’t be able to put this together again.

  100. This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    You're right, the fictions we grew up with are no longer holding.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. "

    This is also a time when those watching might get a glimpse of just how desperate and incompetent the players are. Obviously, these people aren't omnipotent nor are they even that intelligent. There's massive stupidity on display in this little sideshow.
  101. @Kronos
    Wait, where were you at 9/11?

    I remember being shaken by the news, but I am not American and terrorism was part of my childhood. The IRA seemed to plant a bomb in London or Birmingham every other week. It became part of everyday life. Also NYC is a long way away. I have lived in NZ for most of my adult life. ‘Only’ fifty people were killed in the Christchurch massacre, but, because it was unprecedented, unexpected and happened close to home, it unleashed a wave of competitive grieving that made Princess Diana’s funeral look tame by comparison

    • Replies: @Kronos
    New Zealand is a great place!
  102. Makes you want revisit the Seth Rich case.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Also the Las Vegas massacre.

    After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don't ask any more questions.

  103. @J.Ross
    Dear Jonathan, sometimes bad people say things indirectly, in code, or in argot, to avoid making their criminal activities obvious. 16 is age of consent pretty widely so why not just write out a clearer message with fewer characters?

    Good point, but it should be even stronger: at least a third of all Americans live in a State where the age of consent is seventeen or eighteen (with limited exceptions in some of them for adults who are relatively close in age to the minor). Here are the most populous of that group:

    CA, 40 million, age eighteen
    TX, 29 million, age seventeen
    FL, 22 million, age eighteen
    NY, 19 million, age eighteen
    NJ, 9 million, age seventeen

    So arranging sex for an adult who is at least his early 20s, with a sixteen-year-old, would be a crime in those States, period.

    Try it with our daughters, and the guy won’t make it to trial. Or to the airport.

  104. @Lot
    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    Federal courts have jurisdiction over Indian reservations, DC, and insular dependencies. State courts over everything else.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Yep, and the feds also have jurisdiction over military bases, as well as federal parkland and national forests, which is quite a bit of land in some of Western and Mountain States especially.

    For example, the fed gov sometimes prosecutes people who get caught with marijuana in a federal park even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.
  105. I’m just waiting for the horrific false flag event to wipe this off the news cycle. It’ll have to be something massive because even non-political people are talking what bs the “suicide” is. I’m just hoping there’s too much money in Southern California for it to happen here. So convenient 8chan gets nuked the weekend before – those guys were good diggers- though someone on 4chan posted about Epstein’s death 44 mins before it hit the news.

  106. Anon[732] • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Deep State,
    I believe Vince Foster committed suicide.
    I believe Seth Rich died in a bungled street robbery.
    I believe Whitey Bulger’s death was just another ordinary case of prisoner-on-prisoner violence.
    I believe it was the autopsy of Stephen Paddock, the body found in the hotel room.
    I believe Hillary’s deleted emails were all about yoga and weddings.
    I believe Bill and Loretta talked about golf and grandkids on the plane on the tarmac.
    I believe…
    …in Credere, Obbedire, Combattere

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Here is a real reporter asking real questions about Stephen Paddock's "autopsy":

    https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/las-vegas-coroner-stephen-paddock-died-one-day-committed-suicide/2018/02/11


    (For those who don't recognize Anonymous's clever reference to "Credere, Obbedire, Combattere", that was the official slogan for Mussolini and the Italian Fascists.)
  107. Why commit suicide before the trial?

  108. Whoa! Epstein’s island caught on fire after an “earthquake.”

    What a coincidence………………….

    I just hope any evidence on that island isn’t burned up. If that happens, it would be one “unfortunate” coincidence………………………………

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The mask is off. We'll never know whether that temple was a Satanic sanctuary or a glorified gardener's shed.
  109. @22pp22
    I remember being shaken by the news, but I am not American and terrorism was part of my childhood. The IRA seemed to plant a bomb in London or Birmingham every other week. It became part of everyday life. Also NYC is a long way away. I have lived in NZ for most of my adult life. 'Only' fifty people were killed in the Christchurch massacre, but, because it was unprecedented, unexpected and happened close to home, it unleashed a wave of competitive grieving that made Princess Diana's funeral look tame by comparison

    New Zealand is a great place!

  110. The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We’ve got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Epstein seemed like Frankenstein....he went too far with his urges and inclinations. Why is that so many of the MeToo Perps are the same ethnic group as Epstein? It is all so creepy. I actually, think he is sequestered in a secure cell...somewhere offshore. I have just seen too many Hollywood movies!
    , @Lagertha
    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.
    , @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Prudent advice, but I think this phenomenon is bigger than just a Tribal thing. Lots of big dogs are involved.

    "When elephants fight, grass gets trampled."

    -Fake saying from a place with elephants
    , @bored identity



    " The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. "

     

    Tetragrammaton vs.Tetragrammaton, you say?


    bored identity shares the sentiment, but...

    Don't y'all think it's kind of too late to start pretending to be ostriches enamored with horticulture?

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    , @Cowboy shaw
    The story that I find interesting is the Steve Ross fundraiser scandal. I try to analyse American power from afar, but isn't he a serious mega-jew elite? His mentor/uncle was Max Fisher, who seemed to be the 'most important jew in North America' in the 50s and 60s. So Trump's support is not just reliant on flyover MAGA territory. Elites in NYC seem to be at war with each other.

    Maybe one section of Jewish elites has finally noticed the appalling behaviour of their co-ethnics and are trying to get that under control before the whole thing collapses for the 110th time or whatever it is.

  111. Hello there,

    I have real information. I am doing my civic duty to share it.

    Once.

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  112. @Cagey Beast
    It's very, very interesting how many normies aren't buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    At any rate, I hope that Barr the son of the man who gave Epstein his first job gets to the bottom of this.
     
    , @Kyle
    Ahahahhaa. So he won the powerball too? Maybe the powerball is just a mossad fund raiser. Think about it, how many black people have ever won relative to the number of tickets they buy? Every once in a while some hillbilly in West Virginia wins just to keep up the ruse.
    , @Mr. Anon

    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.
     
    Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

    Maybe Epstein was struck by lightning while in prison. He is..........just..........that.............lucky.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Amazing. Utterly amazing.

    Epstein must be the luckiest man in the universe.
    , @Mr. Anon
    What was Eddie Tipton doing back in 2008?

    http://www.kilj.com/additional-charges-filed-in-ongoing-lottery-investigation/
  113. @R.G. Camara
    "Russian" is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like "Greek" is slang for anal sex.

    I question this. What act? Russians are famously obsessed with … Greek, which shows the effectiveness of Orthodoxy, but which also means there’s already a nationality-name assigned. Also the former Soyuz and especially Ukraine is infamously a pedo and human trafficker preserve.
    Also what would Kazakh be? Would Mongol be on a horse?

    • Replies: @Alden
    Hint. Russian can’t be done on a man, boy or girls 11 and younger. It’s a form of natural birth control.
  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    Whoa! Epstein's island caught on fire after an "earthquake."

    What a coincidence......................

    I just hope any evidence on that island isn't burned up. If that happens, it would be one "unfortunate" coincidence....................................

    https://twitter.com/JeSuisNotFooled/status/1160250730411958273

    The mask is off. We’ll never know whether that temple was a Satanic sanctuary or a glorified gardener’s shed.

    • Replies: @Hail

    The mask is off.
     
    And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.
  115. @JimB
    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    If Epstein surfaces alive and well in Israel, and if the CNN-MSNBC-Fox-NYT-WaPo Big Media axis begins to slam anyone who asks questions, accusing them of anti-Semitism, it will (well and truly) be time to get it over with and dissolve the USA. Too hard to recover national dignity. We would be a continent-wide farce.

    More optimistic suggestion: Dissolve the Deep State and elect a new one.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    well, the screws will turn to Maxwell. She is toast, and may well be suicide #2.
  116. @Lot
    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    Feds prosecute serious crimes on the res. I won’t say all serious crime because they ignore most everything but a slam dunk.

    So most folks fall under their state system. The other fed category is guys who cross state lines or get caught by a sting.

    Yes there’s lots of crime including sex crimes on a res.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    One of the recurring new stories up here in Canader is "violence against native women". It's just like "gun violence' in that it just sorta happens and nobody knows why. What these stories don't mention is that it's usually Tonto who is beating the crap out of Pochahontas, not David Duke.
  117. @Lot
    Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide, something the feds noted and were pretending to care about ten years ago.

    Besides the additional shame, they are softer/older/less violent than the normal criminal population, and also have a larger fall in status.

    Odd stat in the link: 70% of federal child sex abuse (not porn or trafficking) defendants are American Indian. Some sort of strange jurisdiction issue?

    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Anon
    The bold personality type--and Epstein was bold--is also more likely to commit suicide if they're in an impossible situation. They don't fear death the way normal people do.
    , @hhsiii
    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
    , @IHTG
    Yeah it's totally weird that the subset of Jews and part-Jews who comment on alt-right blogs would be disproportionately composed of contrarians who like to argue with people.
  118. @Clifford Brown
    Hey guys...

    https://twitter.com/RodRosenstein/status/1160228283394514945

    <blockquote<Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail.

  119. @Simon Legree
    his being "discovered" and rushed to hospital may have been...

    smuggled out of jail.

    notice the absence of details of the first incident and the latter? what did he hang himself with, for example?

    Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a ‘hit’/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a “smuggling out of jail”), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?

    • Replies: @guest
    What did they do about the U.S.S. Liberty?
    , @Alden
    US Government didn’t even go after the jews who stole the uranium. It only executed the 2 Rosenbergs when every Jew at Los Alamos was helping send atomic secrets to the Soviets.
    Jonathan Pollard was released from his life sentence.

    The army Air Force knew about but ignored the 2 Jewish pilots who flew America’s newest radar devices and the complete instructions and plans for making them to Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

    That was in exchange for Stalin's ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation
  120. anonymous[325] • Disclaimer says:

    The most important prisoner in America and he dies while being held in a supposedly secure jail? Taken off suicide watch for what reason? Lot of people feeling relieved right now that he’s gone. With a little inducement he could have been coaxed into singing loud and hard. If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided. Or perhaps it was the Russians who did this since they are so good at such underhanded plots such as controlling Trump through mind control.

    • Replies: @Hail

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.
     
    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other 'world MSM') would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

  121. @Anonymous
    Makes you want revisit the Seth Rich case.

    Also the Las Vegas massacre.

    After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don’t ask any more questions.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    Yeah, the Las Vegas masscre still makes no sense.
    , @J.Ross
    Political corollary to Coulter's Law: no motive or vague mumbling means it was a leftist. Had he an old PJ O'Rourke paperback they would trumpet "nazism" from the rooftops. Observe the Dayton shooter said by the FBI to be "interested in violent ideologies."
  122. @R.G. Camara
    I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight----

    Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????

    duh

  123. I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don’t even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don’t want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn’t have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn’t have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    psychopaths do not kill themselves...never crosses their mind.
    , @J.Ross
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories.

    Yes you are, you defend your own and decry ones you don't like, as does everybody else, which is why that term is so dishonest when not used neutrally. Jack, there was an earthquake (this is the official story, now), in the Caribbean, which caused a fire that destroyed whatever evidence might have existed, of whatever happened on Epstein's island, at the same time that he was allowed by guards to commit the first suicide at that prison. There's absolutely nothing speculative or silly in saying that this stinks to high heaven.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Damn, boy. You sure twisted yourself into a hawser coming up with that. It's going to take a fifth of Dewar's and two oxycontins to get your ass to sleep tonight
    , @Helo
    Jack -

    The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial...and here we are.

    You're looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable - I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.
    , @Lagertha
    you do sound like an idiot and a world-class, total phony, Jack.
    , @TWS
    He was in ad-seg even if he was off suicide watch they still would have Mark one eyeballs on him several times an hour. No way no how this happened like it's been reported.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.
     
    You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.
    , @Sean
    Suicide watch is something done in hospitals to care for the person and make sure he is not getting things out of proportion. When endless it becomes a Guantanamo Bay style regieme designed to break you. Ben Zygier the Mossad traitor was watched constantly in order to torment him.

    Ditto Tommy Silverstein who killed a guard at a supermax

    http://www.peteearley.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/silver13_full.jpg


    At end of day in Epstein's shoes it was perfectly logical to kill oneself.
    , @Lot
    “a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don’t even speak Engrish that well”

    The list of highest paid gov employees is most states is topped by the flagship university’s football coach and president.

    Right below that you get a ton of prison doctors making $500,000-$800,000 by doing a ton of overtime. Their names are 95% foreign, though in California they seem to often be South Asian or Middle Eastern, and have the kind of credentials that just barely qualify for an MD.
  124. @Clifford Brown
    Hey guys...

    https://twitter.com/RodRosenstein/status/1160228283394514945

    Rod Rosenstein sounds really creepy himself, teaching all of us doufusses about pedophiles…hmmm? he seems to know a lot about Epstein.

  125. The most baffling ( or perhaps not) thing about Epstein’s death was the curious lack of curiousity by the media. Last week when a gunman opened fire in the El Paso Walmart the media went to wall to wall coverage despite not having any real information to impart, not even a body count! That did not stop the networks from bringing on their retired Law Enforcement ‘experts’ to bloviate for hour after hour.

    Contrast that with today. With the public desperate to know how a marked man in federal custody could somehow kill himself or be killed the media only ran an obligatory segment at the top of the each hour and then resumed their planned coverage about…gun control.

    • Agree: Hail
  126. @Clifford Brown
    The Manhattan neighborhood where the Metropolitan Correctional Center is located is telling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uSz0mEtEsQ

    The funny thing is one of the two Red Scare chicks is on location in Chinatown giving me updates here in my Nova Scotia lobster fishing village. I’m glad we’re now in the era of micro-celebrities. to hell with CNN and the rest of them. This little clip is gold. Amongst other things, it gives you a feel of the difference between Big Jew and little Jew:

  127. @R.G. Camara
    "Russian" is a sexual slang term for a certain sexual position/act. Much like "Greek" is slang for anal sex.

    Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman’s boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I can't even :D, :D, :D,: discussion of HS sex acts on iSteve! Most HS kids knew that pregnancy was avoided this way. Here's advice: don't have kids.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.
     
    Then I don't want to know what a Cincinnati Redleg is.


    Cincinnati... where Pete rose.
  128. @Hail
    Also the Las Vegas massacre.

    After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don't ask any more questions.

    Yeah, the Las Vegas masscre still makes no sense.

  129. The Epstein thing always smelled to me like a Mossad honeypot operati0n – to keep politicians and others powers that be in the US firm in line with Israel – and if you don’t do that we have some embarrassing tapes of you with minors to publish

  130. @Cagey Beast
    The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We've got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    Epstein seemed like Frankenstein….he went too far with his urges and inclinations. Why is that so many of the MeToo Perps are the same ethnic group as Epstein? It is all so creepy. I actually, think he is sequestered in a secure cell…somewhere offshore. I have just seen too many Hollywood movies!

  131. @R.G. Camara
    As a counter-weight to your argument---and it is a good one---there is a "new" second media cycle, Thursday-Sunday.

    The old media cycle was that Sunday/Monday set the tone for the week, and then by Thursday night/Friday morning, everyone in the corporate media was tired and ready for the weekend, and the audience presumably was as well, so things died. This is why Sunday morning news shows (such as Meet The Press) were so important, even though they were all taped Thursday and Friday: they set the tone for the week.

    But the internet has upended this, making Thurday-Sunday a new cycle. Lot of non-lefty dudes at home on the weekend making YouTube streams and blog posts about their hate of the Leftism of the day.

    Trump has capitalized on this new cycle number of times, so I don't think its by accident; he'll do or say something either late Thursday or on Friday at a rally, and it resets the tone in his favor. He did this strikingly when he called out Sweden's terrorism at a rally on either a Thursday or a Friday.

    Interesting thoughts and valid enough. Working under the assumption that it was a Mossad hit, though, what day/time would a senior Mossad official most likely order the deed to be done? IOW, not the subtleties of reality, but the thought process of a Mossad goon-boss.

    Heck, whoever did this (Mossad being the obvious suspect, given Epstein’s links) might even have chosen this day after their team found data suggesting that the (upcoming) second full week of August is the time the most Americans are on vacation of any week in the summer, as well, further softening the blow.

    Friday-to-Saturday overnight; lots of important people away or otherwise more disconnected than usual even when Monday comes around. The “Dog Days.”

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one tomorrow. He runs a Sunday afternoon show, which is unsual for a radio/streaming guy who also does a M-F 3 hour show, but Jones, like Trump, realized there was an alternate media cycle and jumped on it.

    Infowars is about to get a ton of new viewers and supplement buyers.
  132. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    “It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK.”

    Not when that inmate just happens to be the most endangered man on the planet. Stop pretending this was just a typical case. It wasn’t. Not in any way whatsoever.

  133. @Alden
    Oh gross and icky.

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.

    Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

    Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    No drugs are needed for the traditional "motel death," which happens often enough without any alphabet agency wanting it to.
    , @Alden
    Oh, I had no idea. I assumed massive increased blood pressure would cause a heart attack
  134. @Hail

    Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?
     
    If Epstein surfaces alive and well in Israel, and if the CNN-MSNBC-Fox-NYT-WaPo Big Media axis begins to slam anyone who asks questions, accusing them of anti-Semitism, it will (well and truly) be time to get it over with and dissolve the USA. Too hard to recover national dignity. We would be a continent-wide farce.

    More optimistic suggestion: Dissolve the Deep State and elect a new one.

    well, the screws will turn to Maxwell. She is toast, and may well be suicide #2.

  135. @anonymous
    The most important prisoner in America and he dies while being held in a supposedly secure jail? Taken off suicide watch for what reason? Lot of people feeling relieved right now that he's gone. With a little inducement he could have been coaxed into singing loud and hard. If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn't suicided. Or perhaps it was the Russians who did this since they are so good at such underhanded plots such as controlling Trump through mind control.

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.

    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other ‘world MSM’) would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I know! It is so hilarious that Russia had nothing to do with this! It is all on the evil americans who decided that Epstein had to be iced. No one just disappears from a NY cell - the body was a different body according to so many people as far as looking at the shape of the ears, nose, side hair and cheeks.
    , @Ibound1
    Great point.

    Can you imagine what our “press” and State Department would say if someone who had been procuring for high government officials in Russia was found dead in his cell and the Russian government announced it to be a “suicide”?

    Imagine the self-righteous vomit. Imagine the idiots blathering. Imagine the clowns threatening nuclear war over it.

    , @Lagertha
    well, the media you mentioned, are all complicit in his death: they are all on the same team. So, they will try to bury Epstein quicker than Epstein, who has no family, would want his body to by interred - where is the fracking body, by the way?
  136. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.
     
    Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Kemper, David Berkowitz, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson - all of them did worse things than Epstein is accused of doing. Pretty shameful things too - to anybody who has a sense of shame - murder, cannibalism, necrophilia. And yet, none of them ever tried to commit suicide. They all clung to life until it was taken from them, if they are not still alive.

    I don't think Epstein had a single milliliter of shame in him. If he did, he wouldn't have lived his life the way he did.

    I'm with you - his suicide doesn't compute.
  137. @J.Ross
    The mask is off. We'll never know whether that temple was a Satanic sanctuary or a glorified gardener's shed.

    The mask is off.

    And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Jewish Emancipation was a mistake. The circa 1970 pyramid scheme economic plan was a mistake. Now we're here, right now standing up in the face of it as their arrangements fall apart. All we can do now is try to survive this.
    , @J.Ross
    I like to think that it really quickened when self-man Enlightenment craftsmen Ben Franklin, on a diplomatic mission to London to try to avoid war, was spoken to like a filthy serf by a holder of a medieval title.
  138. @Hail
    Interesting thoughts and valid enough. Working under the assumption that it was a Mossad hit, though, what day/time would a senior Mossad official most likely order the deed to be done? IOW, not the subtleties of reality, but the thought process of a Mossad goon-boss.

    Heck, whoever did this (Mossad being the obvious suspect, given Epstein's links) might even have chosen this day after their team found data suggesting that the (upcoming) second full week of August is the time the most Americans are on vacation of any week in the summer, as well, further softening the blow.

    Friday-to-Saturday overnight; lots of important people away or otherwise more disconnected than usual even when Monday comes around. The "Dog Days."

    Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one tomorrow. He runs a Sunday afternoon show, which is unsual for a radio/streaming guy who also does a M-F 3 hour show, but Jones, like Trump, realized there was an alternate media cycle and jumped on it.

    Infowars is about to get a ton of new viewers and supplement buyers.

  139. @Hail

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.
     
    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other 'world MSM') would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

    I know! It is so hilarious that Russia had nothing to do with this! It is all on the evil americans who decided that Epstein had to be iced. No one just disappears from a NY cell – the body was a different body according to so many people as far as looking at the shape of the ears, nose, side hair and cheeks.

  140. @R.G. Camara
    I shudder with conspiracy-theory delight----

    Was Epstein merely bait to get the Clintons?????

    Trump using Epstein to take down the Clintons. That was Tom Luongo’s first impression and he wrote a couple of columns about it a month or so ago:

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/08/epstein-arrest-peak-swamp/

    https://tomluongo.me/2019/07/12/acosta-resigns-project-epstein-trump/

  141. @dearieme
    Did anyone seriously expect he'd survive to stand trial? If he wasn't murdered he's been smuggled out of jail.

    If he wasn’t murdered he’s been smuggled out of jail.

    Agree.

  142. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    Me too. No trust at all at this point. It’s all rigged.

  143. @Hail

    The mask is off.
     
    And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.

    Jewish Emancipation was a mistake. The circa 1970 pyramid scheme economic plan was a mistake. Now we’re here, right now standing up in the face of it as their arrangements fall apart. All we can do now is try to survive this.

  144. (((Kid Twist Reles))), “The Canary Who Could Sing, But Couldn’t Fly”, falls to his death while under NYPD guard.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Reles#Death

  145. I think he was murdered as well…

    The next one on the hit list will be Julian Assange as soon as he is extradited back to the US from the United Kingdom.

    Dead men tell no tales as they used to say in the movies.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Agreed. However, this might be why Assange is still out of the country. It would be a major international row if he died in England. It also might be why he was holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Had he been walking around on the streets, he probably would be gone by now.

    Two things about Epstein's death that need to be mentioned. One, this puts all eyes on the Clintons again and away from Trump. Second, and this is a big one, by removing Epstein, there is no standing to block any of the massive amounts of evidence that the government has been collecting. Had Epstein gone to trial, it probably would have been locked away until June of 2020 thereby giving all of the other people implicated in the crimes time to hide. Trump is now free to go after all them. Furthermore, had Trump used Epstein to finger his political opponents and or give him a plea deal, that would have rubbed off on Trump. Besides, Trump wants to politically destroy these people not necessarily put them in jail. That is just a bonus.

    There are a lot of reasons Trump wanted Epstein gone. Oh yes, and now the narrative is no longer on shooters and white nationalists. It looks like Trump might be fighting for real.

  146. Sad when the death of an Underage Sex Ringmaster makes me sick instead of happy.

  147. @Jack Hanson
    There's a lot of people suddenly stubbornly, disingenuously obtuse, aren't there?

    There are also a lot of people very uncomfortable with the fact a global cabal of satanic pedophiles rule over us.

    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein’s list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus “suicide” story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here’s a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party

    It’s interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites………..

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in “Hellfire Clubs” in the UK & Ireland.

    So it’s not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I’d assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I’m sure more than a few are quite “hands on.” I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing………

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you’d be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they’re initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    • Replies: @guest
    Can you imagine the reaction you'd get going back to 1962 or whatever and telling people the Roman Catholic Church was systematically protecting homo child rapists?
    , @Lagertha
    I don't know if this is crap or what:
    https://newspunch.com/banker-sacrifice-children-illuminati/

    I read/watched this more than 3 years ago.

    , @Lagertha
    I do believe there is sexual blackmail (child or adult victims) at the highest level of govt and business...well banking.
    , @J1234
    True: I worked at Franklin in the mid-'80's for about 3 or 4 months, as I recall. It was a weird place (that's why I left so soon) but I saw nothing at the time that would lead me to believe there was organized child abuse. In retrospect, however, I do believe it happened, despite a lack of hard evidence. Why? In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    The real reason I believe the Franklin pedophile ring existed came from outside of my experience at Franklin. Harold Andersen - publisher of the World Herald - was known publicly to be a close confidant of King. I believe he was on the Franklin board, and was later rumored to be part of the pedo ring. Years before anyone knew anything about the embezzlement scandal or pedo rumors, my mom had told me she knew the lady who cleaned Andersen's house, and this lady had found child pornography in his office (it was oriented towards young boys.) I'd say this was three or four years before everything became public. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but all the puzzle pieces fit together too well for me to ignore the probability of what went on.

    , @HA
    "In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan."

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go -- there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:


    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.
     
    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for "child sacrifice", in that case you're talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you're talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

  148. @Hail
    Let's say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a 'hit'/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a "smuggling out of jail"), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?

    What did they do about the U.S.S. Liberty?

  149. @Hail
    Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein's death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and -- zany coincidence here -- occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was "malfunctioning."

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious
     

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”
     

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    It’s probably a warning to all of us.

  150. @Hail

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.
     
    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other 'world MSM') would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

    Great point.

    Can you imagine what our “press” and State Department would say if someone who had been procuring for high government officials in Russia was found dead in his cell and the Russian government announced it to be a “suicide”?

    Imagine the self-righteous vomit. Imagine the idiots blathering. Imagine the clowns threatening nuclear war over it.

  151. @Johnny789
    Wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest that he died from auto-erotic asphyxiation?

    You mean he went for a drive with Kennedy?

  152. @Hail
    Also the Las Vegas massacre.

    After what seemed a deliberately lackadaisical investigation, they announced they found nothing at all, no motive, nothing. The story completely died and is forgotten. Just a random nut shooting White people for no reason. Just a depressed inmate committing suicide. Don't ask any more questions.

    Political corollary to Coulter’s Law: no motive or vague mumbling means it was a leftist. Had he an old PJ O’Rourke paperback they would trumpet “nazism” from the rooftops. Observe the Dayton shooter said by the FBI to be “interested in violent ideologies.”

  153. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    Can you imagine the reaction you’d get going back to 1962 or whatever and telling people the Roman Catholic Church was systematically protecting homo child rapists?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    They weren’t in 1962.
  154. @Hail

    The mask is off.
     
    And to think: The rebellion in the 1770s was over a minor tax on tea.

    I like to think that it really quickened when self-man Enlightenment craftsmen Ben Franklin, on a diplomatic mission to London to try to avoid war, was spoken to like a filthy serf by a holder of a medieval title.

  155. In this day and age, the only way to get an honest death penalty for a monster like Epstein is to have it be self-inflicted. I’m very pleased he hung himself. He saved us a lot of taxpayer money.

  156. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories.

    Yes you are, you defend your own and decry ones you don’t like, as does everybody else, which is why that term is so dishonest when not used neutrally. Jack, there was an earthquake (this is the official story, now), in the Caribbean, which caused a fire that destroyed whatever evidence might have existed, of whatever happened on Epstein’s island, at the same time that he was allowed by guards to commit the first suicide at that prison. There’s absolutely nothing speculative or silly in saying that this stinks to high heaven.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I would agree. I resist conspiracy theories, too, in favor of the simplest, most obvious explanations (buying into conspiracy theories strikes me as a childish indulgence), but this earthquake and fire that just happens to destroy evidence on Epstein's island the night before he dies (assuming this actually occurred) is a little too coincidental not to consider some sort of outside involvement by some very powerful players.
  157. @Reg Cæsar

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.
     
    Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

    Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.

    No drugs are needed for the traditional “motel death,” which happens often enough without any alphabet agency wanting it to.

  158. @Lot
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HeKPiuec2Ls/UBYsDwkcgLI/AAAAAAAADNc/qg0cGMgv2Og/s1600/mossad.jpg

    http://osnetdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/body_count_grows.jpeg

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1eopy4.jpg

  159. gutta percha [AKA "gp"] says:

    Jeffrey Epstein would have survived longer in a Nazi concentration camp, than he did in the prison used by US Federal Marshals to house their most important prisoners, “separation cases.”

    The most famous prisoner in the USA died, and the prison did not have one single $50 video camera pointed at him?

    I don’t know who did this. I don’t know who to believe anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that I didn’t kill the guy.

  160. Signed “Avi.”

  161. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:

    To be honest, I think Epstein could have gotten off lightly if he’d turned state’s evidence and ratted on his high profile friends. He could have gone into a witness protection program afterwards. But I suspect he held assets that could not be explained by normal means, and he didn’t want all that dug up.

    He has an interesting history. He was dismissed as a teacher, and was asked to leave Bear Stearns. Finally, he decided to leave this life. Nothing but a history of being kicked out or checking out.He knew and gave tax advice to Edgar Bronfman, father of Clare Bronfman of the NXIVM sex cult. I wonder if Epstein had any connection to the cult? If he gave tax advice to Edgar, why not his daughter? He was also an adviser to Adnan Khashoggi,

  162. @Shitposter
    The truly disturbing thing was that he was taken off suicide watch beforehand. Now we can't be sure if NYC gaolers think suicide watch means watch this guy kill himself or not.

    I thought he was in a federal lockup, not a city jail.

  163. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    I don’t know if this is crap or what:
    https://newspunch.com/banker-sacrifice-children-illuminati/

    I read/watched this more than 3 years ago.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    You might want to read this.

    https://steemit.com/whistleblower/@mayb/i-just-quit-working-for-dutch-whistleblower-ronald-bernard-here-s-why
  164. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    Damn, boy. You sure twisted yourself into a hawser coming up with that. It’s going to take a fifth of Dewar’s and two oxycontins to get your ass to sleep tonight

  165. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    I do believe there is sexual blackmail (child or adult victims) at the highest level of govt and business…well banking.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yeah.

    Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs.

    Here's an interesting blog post that offers plausible speculation that Blankfein might be a gay pedophile.

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/01/which-major-financier-is-gay-pederast.html
  166. @Hail
    https://twitter.com/Ron4California/status/1160308603284144128

    Ron Bassilian (R)
    @Ron4California

    Pro-tip: if the word “Mossad” is mentioned, it’s a conspiracy theory.

    [13 hours after Epstein found dead] | Aug 10, 2019 | Twitter for iPhone
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/960686676572962817/ymB4wFQS_400x400.jpg

    "Nothing to see here, people; Case closed!; Move along; It was all a conspiracy theory."

    I am sure Mossad occasionally does non-conspiracy things, but honestly, they don’t get paid to do that. Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Conspiracy is the bread and butter of an intelligence agency.
     
    Where does that leave people like Ron Bassilian?

    Imagine Ron Bassilian in other contexts: At the [Am.] football game. Denouncing people who say, "coaches call plays secretly and transmit the info to the quarterback each time." Ron Bassilian: "Anti-football, hateful conspiracy theory!"

    Since we don't see them conveying the plays (as by giant signboards or the like), if the Bassilians had a monopolistic media-state complex behind him, I bet they could get lots of people (non-players) believing that play calling is spontaneous, everything above board, what you see is what you get.

  167. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    Jack –

    The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial…and here we are.

    You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.
     
    1941 America was honest?



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8dB8fAUZE1o
    , @Jack D
    Look, you didn't have to be Nostradamus to guess that Epstein might kill himself (or "kill himself"). The question is why something that was so obvious to everyone else was not obvious to the Bureau of Prisons. I'd be skeptical too, but something not dissimilar happened to Whitey Bulger. In his case, the answer was not even bureaucratic incompetence but that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee, so the system decided to take revenge on him.

    The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial - they can be mundane and petty.
  168. @Peterike
    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

    The bold personality type–and Epstein was bold–is also more likely to commit suicide if they’re in an impossible situation. They don’t fear death the way normal people do.

    • Replies: @Sean
    Quite a bit in what you say, but I think the average person is instinctively more concerned with their family, friends and group. Those will protect you no matter what, and those are the only ones you will die for.

    Epstein had put his folk in an impossible situation inasmuch they were being accused by hearsay and speculation of all sorts of things through publicity surrounding his criminal charges even though he was the only one facing charges. His suicide is an admission of personal guilt. In relation to the wild allegations against his group and friends it's time to shut up with the hearsay, or cease to be taken seriously.
  169. @Anon
    Just when the names start coming out: Bill Richardson, Al Gore, George Mitchell, a hedge fund billionaire whose name escapes me, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, a Prime Minister of this-or-that European Country...........

    and then three mass shootings when all the security cameras seem to have captured nothing (no video from a WalMart?) of three young white
    nutjob guys, two of whom are dead, two of whom were Democrats and one a Satanist. That got you to forget Epstein.

    Once you forgot him, he conveniently (Arkancides?) himself in prison..........while on suicide watch.

    The pedo island has had an underground fire also apparently, as much of the buildings on pedo island had subterannean levels connected to one another.......now probably burned up (the hidden cameras, physical restraints for human beings, possibly some sort of incenerator for human remains for the pesky girl or two who wanted to leave and had a big mouth).

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.

    It’s pretty hard to imagine that happening, when whoever’s trying to do the gutting is susceptible to blackmail by an NSA that can probably get its hands on any email or transcript of any phone call. Most people have something to hide, or at least be ashamed of, somewhere back in the past. This stuff has got to be ended from the inside.

    Long live Ed Snowden!

    • Replies: @Pericles

    Long live Ed Snowden!

     

    Because he's not in federal custody.
  170. @Hail

    If this happened in Russia no one would believe that he wasn’t suicided.
     
    Good point.

    The CNN-MSNBC-NYT-etc. axis of media (also BBC and other 'world MSM') would slam Russia, hard, over an incident like this.

    well, the media you mentioned, are all complicit in his death: they are all on the same team. So, they will try to bury Epstein quicker than Epstein, who has no family, would want his body to by interred – where is the fracking body, by the way?

  171. Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is “nearly impossible” due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein’s chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of “committing suicide” while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don’t be a “conspiracy theorist.”

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    no, because, the prison workers will revolt if they are going to be accused of incompetence - especially, letting a white guy die on their watch. This is major prison drama - a problem for ?????yet to be determined.

    Black officials (police and govt) need to be on the defensive when it will become routine to blame mostly black prison guards for being negligent for Epstein's demise.
    , @22pp22
    Awesome post.
    , @Lot
    The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn’t become news? Is it normally newsworthy when a criminal offs himself in jail?

    And even if there were brief reports, they may not mention the name of the jail.

    The other reported suicide was a “drug kingpin.” Would a mid level dealer or random child porn downloader suicide really make the news? I have actually never once read an article in my local paper about a local jail/prison suicide, though I am sure it happens.
    , @Patrick in SC
    Reminds me of Don Corleone's speech at the meeting of the Five Families in The Godfather, Part I.

    "But if he (Michael) should hang himself in his jail cell... Or be struck by a bolt of lightning."
  172. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    you do sound like an idiot and a world-class, total phony, Jack.

  173. @Alden
    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.

    Haha, Alden!

    I think it’s like the way meteorologists talk about tornados. A suicide watch means the conditions are right for a suicide. A suicide warning means a suicide has been observed in progress.

  174. @Hail

    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein’s death.
     
    Typical Blumpfian demagoguery.

    The predictable follow-up act is: He is 'Monitoring' the Situation.

    Big Talk, No Action. -- No. Scratch that: Big talk, then long periods of do-nothing-ism, punctuated by sporadic actions that are the precise opposite of what you promised.

    Et tu, Hanson?

    (I agree with you all though. Hail’s term is perfect – Trump is a bloviator.)

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    My disappointment is boundless and has been for months.
  175. @Jonathan Mason

    By the way, Epstein wanted to acquire an 8 year old girl.
     

    She is 2 x 8 years old not blonde.
     
    I am no mathematician, but I think 2 x 8 = 16,

    “2 x 8” = 2 girls, each 8-years old?

  176. @Cagey Beast
    The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We've got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.
     
    The Jewish coalitions have always been spectacularly bad strategists, although quite good at tactics. That bit about rebelling when Trajan took the a striking force of legions into Mesopotamia, AD 195, for example. Quite predictably, Trajan took the striking force _out_ of Mesopotamian and defeated the rebellion, which had killed a very large number of Roman citizens. Trajan was unhappy about this, as were his successors. The only real result was that much later Mesopotamia became an effective enemy of Rome instead of one of its provinces, and this enabled the Moslem conquest of the southern shore of the Mediterranean by a force far more hostile to Judaism than Rome.

    And that's typical. The present foul-up is nothing new.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Lagertha
    Hahaaa. You are such a pussy-whipped guy by giving you money - money is nothing in 10 years. They are using you for your strength and discipline.
    , @Lagertha
    it's too late.
    , @Lagertha
    you are such a moron! And, not a clench or cool moron.
    , @Lagertha
    nevah gonna work - it is too late for you all. - you all started this multiculturaist garbage...well, it is on you for time in finitum. Your taxes will get higher, but you are in the cities. Hate yall.
  177. After he was taken to the hospital the first time, an non-controlled MSM would have been all over it, asking questions, etc.

    They weren’t.

    The most blatant , undisguised “fuck you” the elites have given the American plebes in my lifetime.

  178. Never been a huge fan of the ‘obvious’ conspiracies (JFK etc.). I still say the odds are on a real suicide. Older man, no more of his girls or decent food or anything he likes forever. The idea of a life in a little cell is probably far more difficult to get used to than most of us know. And we’re dealing with a spoiled rich guy here too. More than a few much tougher guys have been broken by the whole thing.

    Despite all that, I’d still only put it at 70 percent that it’s a real suicide. Maybe he was ‘strongly encouraged’ to do it. Perhaps much more abuse was in the offing if he didn’t and that was intimated to him in clear terms.

  179. If I were going to kill Epstein, you can bet that I would shut down 8chan first. Oh, that happened on August 5? You don’t say? Just before the release of the court records? Really?

    Poor Jeff, the guilt must have really gotten to him. When he commissioned that painting of himself in a prison yard, he thought he could make it, but with guilt and prison life, etc etc he just could not go another day without a massage. What a shame, what a damn shame.

  180. I cant wait to find out what flavor of quota pepos were involved. Our government institutions are quota disasters. Could in fact be just a case of incompetence by Affirmative Action which is another kind of conspiracy.

  181. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is "nearly impossible" due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein's chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of "committing suicide" while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don't be a "conspiracy theorist."

    no, because, the prison workers will revolt if they are going to be accused of incompetence – especially, letting a white guy die on their watch. This is major prison drama – a problem for ?????yet to be determined.

    Black officials (police and govt) need to be on the defensive when it will become routine to blame mostly black prison guards for being negligent for Epstein’s demise.

  182. At least the Filipinos fought back.

  183. In Epstein’s bio at Wikipedia, he is described as advising Bear Stearns’ wealthiest clients on “tax mitigation”, i.e. pay as little tax as possible… (Bear Stearns, a giant investment bank, was a casualty of the 2008 financial crisis.) Edgar Bronfman is specifically mentioned as one such client, a billionaire who was also an extremely influential international lobbyist regarding Jewish issues, above all within the late Soviet Union. Among Bronfman’s children are two daughters who provided financial, legal, and material support to NXIVM, a psychological cult which served as cover for a growing circle of sex slaves. And recall that Epstein was assisted by a daughter of Robert Maxwell, another tycoon who after his death was eulogized for his service to Israel.

  184. A fire in the evidence room has already destroyed all documentation, including surveillance tapes. A blue-ribbon panel has already ruled out foul play. ‘Assisted Suicide’ is not a crime in New York. I am the Easter Bunny.

  185. @Prosa123
    Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman's boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    I can’t even :D, :D, :D,: discussion of HS sex acts on iSteve! Most HS kids knew that pregnancy was avoided this way. Here’s advice: don’t have kids.

  186. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is "nearly impossible" due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein's chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of "committing suicide" while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don't be a "conspiracy theorist."

    Awesome post.

  187. This story screams to the high mountains.

    It is a true conspiracy, immune to any insults that might be flung at it.

    I laugh because men like me laugh at things they have no power over. This was predictable. The burden of proof is on those who would tell us that this is simply a prison suicide. Until someone proves otherwise, we will assume, and take as given, that J. Epstein was murdered to keep him quiet.

    Prove us wrong.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
  188. @Prosa123
    Specifically, a sex act in which the man sticks it between the woman's boobs while facing her. If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.

    Then I don’t want to know what a Cincinnati Redleg is.

    Cincinnati… where Pete rose.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    My favorite is the Camden Fakeout. Same as a Philly Fakeout, with the coup de grace you steal her purse for the bus fare back to Philly from Camden.
  189. @Forbes
    To be on "suicide watch" means they watch you commit suicide...

    His suicide came as a surprise, most of all to himself..

  190. “Let’s say people at top levels of the US government learned that this … was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?”

    Be swiftly assassinated, apparently.

  191. Maybe they hanged the shark.

    EVERYONE is now in conspiracy theory territory.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Anybody notice when "conspiracy theory" became synonymous with "truth".

    Otto von Bismark supposedly commented, at one point, "Never believe any rumor you may hear until it has been officially denied." [1] It's an old idea, but it was always half joke before.
    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/08/07/believe/
  192. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    Well, at least we are unlikely to have another false flag mass shooting this weekend.

  193. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    He was in ad-seg even if he was off suicide watch they still would have Mark one eyeballs on him several times an hour. No way no how this happened like it’s been reported.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    They were SUPPOSED to be checking on him every half hour. But, and I know this is shocking, sometimes prison guards don't do their jobs. Maybe you have another job during the day so you use your night shift job to get some well deserved rest. Just because there is some high profile Jew prisoner that the Internet is all excited about doesn't mean that you should disrupt your usual sleep routine for that POS.

    Everyone is looking at this from a top-down, how glad Bill Clinton is today perspective when the right way to look at these things is from the bottom up - not what were the motives and incentives of the Establishment but what were the motives and incentives of the poor schmuck whose job it was to watch Epstein. Of course, I think he misjudged - everyone from DJT to AOC is calling for investigations and he's going to come into the crosshairs. But the union will defend him and he probably has enough seniority to retire and take a pension so he'll be OK.
  194. @Alden
    He wasn’t on suicide watch. That lasted about 12 hours I believe.

    He was on suicide encouragement.

    I checked suicide watch was 7-23 to 7-29.

    And the 2 guards on his corridor were told to leave because of middle of the night maintenance. Must be an easy job 11 pm to 7 am shift electricians and plumbers on duty every night in case of sudden electric fire or flood Night shift differential too. Probably need at least 2 people at all times because most jobs need 2 pairs of hands

    I bet this was the first middle of the night maintenance since the building was finished.
    And why would the guards have to leave? Who did this middle of the night maintenance?
    If they do exist they died in auto crashes at 7/30 Saturday morning after they left work.

    The absent guards are not liable because they followed procedure and obeyed the order to leave their post.

    Who gave the order? “ Oh, it came over the intercom. He said it was my superior, Captain so and so.” “ and did you indeed give the order?” Captain so and so?”
    “ no I did not”

    • Replies: @68W58
    I’ve worked in a prison. Maintenance was done by prison employees, no outside maintenance because that might compromise security. Of course maintenance worked a regular schedule M-F and days only.
  195. @Cagey Beast
    It's very, very interesting how many normies aren't buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

    I had to switch back temporarily to establishment media to see how this was being presented to the masses. With wry cynicism, it seems to me, even from the hairstyled mediabots reading the autocue.

    There’s not even the “plausible” deniability they had with Seth Rich, God bless his soul.

  196. Slate is on the case:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mcc-suicide.html

    You see, this totally proves how we need to reform prisons.

    If I were the Maxwell lady, I would be trying out the PD Mangan fasting method just about now.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    If I were the Maxwell lady, I would be trying out the PD Mangan fasting method just about now.

    Much more likely, Ghislaine Maxwell is out having a toasted bagel with lox and a schmear -- with a Bloody Mary or two -- at some cozy beach place in Israel. As she sips, she muses "What will Jeff look like after he gets his face reconstructed by that marvelous plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills?"

  197. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Succint analysis I've seen:

    "Most of the American people have learned today that their "elites" are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable."

    “Most of the American people have learned today that their “elites” are unaccountable. They also know, on some level, what it will take to fix this problem, and what they believe their country to be is very, very wrong. All three of these ideas make Americans uncomfortable.

    Covington, at the end, used to say that the problem was not that people didn’t know what would be required to save their freedom and their continued existence as a people, but rather that they knew full well, and the thought was unbearable to most people.

    • Replies: @Sean O'Farrel
    Dreaming the Iron Dream - one of the finest essays I have ever read/listened to.
    RIP HAC
  198. The Monahans’ trouble-making didn’t start with Haven:

    The North American Man-Boy Love Association is protesting the arrest, trial. conviction and sentencing of Nevada boy-lover Robert Butler, 61. For many years Butler has maintained a world·
    famous acrobatic act, ‘”The Amazing Monahans.”

    https://www.governmentattic.org/docs/Extract_FBI-files_NAMBLA_1979-86.pdf p. 11

    This was a sidebar in a story claiming to “out” Harry Connick, not the singer but his prosecutor father.

    Boise, of the suspiciously turquoise turf, was the epicenter of scandal 65 years ago:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_homosexuality_scandal

    That’s what inspired the “Boston-Boise Committee”, which developed into NAMBLA.

  199. @Buck Ransom
    The chances are roughly similar to those of the NYT, WaPo, CNN and MSNBC clamoring to get their hands on the thousands of VIP pedophile pictures and videos taken from Epstein's safe, so they can distribute them as widely as possible while speaking in very serious tones about Our Democracy and the public's right to know.

    Oh well, maybe Julian Assange can Wikileak the stuff. Oh, wait...

    But who cares because the 8chan weaponized autist crowd will be all over this… oh also oh wait

  200. @Flip
    Mossad

    Looks more like a mob hit. Who are Mossad’s subcontractors?

  201. What can you expect? New York City is now about as corrupt as they come.
    The antiquated subway system, the power grid on its last legs, measles epidemic –
    these are all Third World problems.

    I miss the time when this country was run by Christians (WASPS). It wasn’t perfect,
    but nothing is this side of Paradise. But at least New York wasn’t in danger of
    becoming the laughing stock of the world

  202. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Epstein was clearly an Israeli asset of some type.

    Israel, American Jews, and leading politicians are glad he’s dead so they won’t be exposed.

    This is what the mainstream media wanted too. They purposely concentrated on Epstein’s sex abuse of teens instead of his spy connections.

    It is a sad commentary on us White Christian Americans that our country is virtually owned by the Jewish lobby and Israel.

    99% of us White Christians are nothing but a bunch of sniveling cowards.

    Are you proud of that? I’m not.

  203. @Peterike
    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
     
    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?
    , @Mr. Anon

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.
     
    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I'm just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: "That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I'll beat him up and take his cigarettes."
    , @Autochthon
    For the love of God will you – and all the other fools bandying about the term pedophile and its variants – purchase a dictionary?

    Jeffrey Epstein was not a pedophile!
  204. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is "nearly impossible" due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein's chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of "committing suicide" while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don't be a "conspiracy theorist."

    The Post article said they looked for media reports of suicide and found only one other. How many didn’t become news? Is it normally newsworthy when a criminal offs himself in jail?

    And even if there were brief reports, they may not mention the name of the jail.

    The other reported suicide was a “drug kingpin.” Would a mid level dealer or random child porn downloader suicide really make the news? I have actually never once read an article in my local paper about a local jail/prison suicide, though I am sure it happens.

  205. @Reg Cæsar

    If he is facing away from her it is a Cincinnati Bowtie.
     
    Then I don't want to know what a Cincinnati Redleg is.


    Cincinnati... where Pete rose.

    My favorite is the Camden Fakeout. Same as a Philly Fakeout, with the coup de grace you steal her purse for the bus fare back to Philly from Camden.

    • LOL: Kyle
  206. @J.Ross
    I question this. What act? Russians are famously obsessed with ... Greek, which shows the effectiveness of Orthodoxy, but which also means there's already a nationality-name assigned. Also the former Soyuz and especially Ukraine is infamously a pedo and human trafficker preserve.
    Also what would Kazakh be? Would Mongol be on a horse?

    Hint. Russian can’t be done on a man, boy or girls 11 and younger. It’s a form of natural birth control.

  207. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.

    You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Hehe...hehe...Virginia Roberts told me Jeffrey Epstein was weltanschauung ... hehe....


    http://clint.sheer.us/pics/butthead.gif
    , @anonymous
    'even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.'

    The entire population of UNZ.
    , @S. Anonyia
    You and he think alike because your opinions are carbon copies of neocon boomer Fox News soundbites.
  208. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    True: I worked at Franklin in the mid-’80’s for about 3 or 4 months, as I recall. It was a weird place (that’s why I left so soon) but I saw nothing at the time that would lead me to believe there was organized child abuse. In retrospect, however, I do believe it happened, despite a lack of hard evidence. Why? In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    The real reason I believe the Franklin pedophile ring existed came from outside of my experience at Franklin. Harold Andersen – publisher of the World Herald – was known publicly to be a close confidant of King. I believe he was on the Franklin board, and was later rumored to be part of the pedo ring. Years before anyone knew anything about the embezzlement scandal or pedo rumors, my mom had told me she knew the lady who cleaned Andersen’s house, and this lady had found child pornography in his office (it was oriented towards young boys.) I’d say this was three or four years before everything became public. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but all the puzzle pieces fit together too well for me to ignore the probability of what went on.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    This is fascinating. Thankyou for sharing.

    In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.
     
    Could you elaborate?
  209. @hhsiii
    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    Yeah, that would require, like, Mossad-level expertise... Whoops! Come, on, man... he could have been drugged, stunned, might not have actually been hanged, etc.
    , @Anonymousse
    No... In your extensive experience, exactly how hard is it?
    , @Alden
    I don’t think there’s been any reports he hanged himself. Just suicide. And who believes anything in the newspapers?
    , @Mr. Anon

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?
     
    If he's been drugged, perhaps with something in his food? Probably not that hard.

    We will probably never be given details of what happened. The Feds will nix any such disclosures as revealing methods of operational security in federal prisons.

  210. @Kronos
    “A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.”

    If so, any bets on the brand of toilet paper?

    P.S. it’s random, but has anyone else noticed that toilet rolls are getting thinner and smaller as (regardless of brand) the years go by? (Maybe it’s just my fat a$# getting bigger.)

    https://youtu.be/ZfL8GENoFe8

    You are joking aren’t you? Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

    Did Epstein climb a wall of worry and jump to a conclusion?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I was quoting someone else from the thread. But yeah, unless Epstein got 30 Costco bundles of toilet paper (and even then) it sounds doubtful.

    Maybe he drowned himself in his cell toilet?
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?
     
    Obviously there are a few Unz readers who have had such sheltered lives that they have never been in a prison.

    You make several strands of paper rope as shown in the photo below, and then plait several strands together. It can be surprisingly strong if done right. Prisoners can also use such ropes in escape attempts.

    No word at this time on whether Epstein was a macrame hobbyist.

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/3237030951697774/?lp=true

    http://gillianwidden.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/IMG_0924.jpg

    Toilet paper can also be used for suicide by means of stuffing it down your throat until you asphyxiate.

    In prison it can also be used to make papier-mache chess sets. (The black pieces are dyed with coffee.)
  211. @Jonathan Mason

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
     
    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?

    Yeah, that would require, like, Mossad-level expertise… Whoops! Come, on, man… he could have been drugged, stunned, might not have actually been hanged, etc.

  212. @Hail
    Let's say people at top levels of the US government learned that this, whatever it was (either a 'hit'/murder, or, in the wilder scenario, a "smuggling out of jail"), was a Mossad operation. What would our government officials do with that info.?

    US Government didn’t even go after the jews who stole the uranium. It only executed the 2 Rosenbergs when every Jew at Los Alamos was helping send atomic secrets to the Soviets.
    Jonathan Pollard was released from his life sentence.

    The army Air Force knew about but ignored the 2 Jewish pilots who flew America’s newest radar devices and the complete instructions and plans for making them to Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

    That was in exchange for Stalin’s ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    "Czechoslovakia in 1947 and gave them to Russian KGB and military men

    That was in exchange for Stalin’s ordering the Russian delegation to the United Nations to sponsor the UN Resolution that made Israel a nation"

    Czechoslovikia? Russian KGB? Made Israel a nation?
    (Antennae quivering)

    That couldn't have been a Maxwell pere operation now, could it??

  213. anon[482] • Disclaimer says:

    We really can’t know if it was suicide or murder. But we do know:
    1. If it was a murder it is quite brazen and shows how confident the killers are that they can control the narrative on the story in the world (not just US) media. It would be a sign that we live under totalitarian rule.
    2. The fact that we can’t know if our governmnet is this corrupt or not, because so much of what our government does is secret, is a sign that we don’t have a democracy or republic worthy of the name. If we lived in a democracy or a republic we wouldn’t have to worry about this.
    3. “Consipiracy theories” are no longer the province of kooks. Reasonable people now have to be conspiracy theorists to avoid being fooled by offical lies (Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
    4. No good man can tolerate this condition. Something must change.

    • Replies: @Alden
    It’s the arrogant we can do anything we want with total impunity brazen ness of it that’s so extremely shocking. It’s a declaration of absolute power. America’s turned into Poland in 1700. The rulers are ruled by the Jews and the rest of us are the exploited serfs.
  214. Arkancide no doubt.

  215. @Reg Cæsar

    Perfect death for him would be a viagra overdose leading to high blood pressure and a heart attack.
     
    Viagra was developed to treat angina. Only later, and by chance, was it marketed as a sex enhancement drug.

    Perhaps a four-hour Cialis erection could be fatal, but Viagra would have made things better, not worse.

    Oh, I had no idea. I assumed massive increased blood pressure would cause a heart attack

  216. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    Ibound1, my disagreement of your statement is that you imply the USA “political/media/everything else” structure is incompetent, stupid, or ineffectual. Just the opposite is true. The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want. The election of Trump was something of a monkey-wrench, but that was the last spasm of a people who will relatively soon have to decide to either fight (by “fight”, I don’t mean voting in another pointless election)…or die.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want.
     
    That's because they don't want much. They want (a) graft money and (b) revenge against any challengers (which can mean white people, but can also mean anybody they don't like [1].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hamblin
  217. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    Bill Clinton's bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

    Bill’s body is degenerating at a rapid pace as is Hillary’s – they look like death. They are not even fuckable anymore, yet they will fight to the death of them to defend some imaginary image they have of themselves. I hate these slimey, truly trashy low-lives, since 1991. I want them tied to Epstein and rung under the keel of a ship, back & forth, until they can no longer speak.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    hahahahahhhahhahahhhahahhaaahaaaaaahahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa
  218. @Jonathan Mason

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
     
    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?

    No… In your extensive experience, exactly how hard is it?

  219. @Jack Hanson
    Unless you worked at this particular prison and know the policies, this is nonsense at best and active disinfo at worst.

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that "so and so said he was going to kill himself" or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a "massive cost". It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

    At my old state prison, a lowly CO could make a recommendation to the watch commander that “so and so said he was going to kill himself” or give them reasons why he needed to be placed on suicide watch.

    This by no means a “massive cost”. It consists of your inmate being placed in a hold cell and taking one of your on duty rovers or junior COs and sitting him in front of the door to stare at homeboy.

    The idea that a 24 hour prison needs the say so of a clinician that works 8 hours a day is laughable.

    It could be very different where you live from the processes I have seen in Florida.

    Certainly any CO could START the process of placing someone on suicide watch as you describe as an emergency procedure, but they would still have to be assessed by psych as soon as reasonably possible, and certainly within 24 hours for that process to continue for more than 24 hours, and they could only be released from suicidal watch on the with the approval of the psychiatrist.

    If the process started at night, the inmate would still have to be taken to the medical department and seen by the nurse who would evaluate the inmate and make a call to the on-call doctor for a verbal order to start SHOS protocols, pending a more detailed psych eval the next day.

    Since Epstein had been on suicide watch and released from it, it is unlikely that he was showing signs of suicidal intent that a CO would recognize as an emergency on Friday evening. In fact it is most likely that he would have wanted to hide any such indications.

    Your assumption is that there are plenty of hallway rovers available at the weekend, or junior COs available to sit in front of the door flap and that overtime work would not be required, and neither you nor I can know what the staffing situation was like in that facility last night. In the prison I worked at, staffing was extremely tight at weekends, especially if a CO got injured or sick and had to leave, and there was constant pressure to reduce overtime which could easily be needed if someone was to remain on SHOS over the weekend.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yes, in a major federal facility watching one of the most important prisoners in custody, you could pull someone off a tier or call in OT to sit and watch this guy.

    You know this, but this is all just ofuscatory pilpul. The idea that you need a psych order (burden of proof on you, which you don't have) is laughable.
  220. @Jonathan Mason

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
     
    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?

    I don’t think there’s been any reports he hanged himself. Just suicide. And who believes anything in the newspapers?

  221. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting fact.

    In the jail in which Epstein is held, there has only been 1 other suicide in the last 21 years. The jail has been described as a facility in which suicide is "nearly impossible" due to the elaborate security procedures.

    See this article. https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suicide-supposedly-nearly-impossible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

    In those 21 years, nearly 40,000 inmates have passed through the jail facility. So the facility has a suicide rate of 2 per 40,000. Coincidentally, 1 of those 2 was Epstein.

    What a huge coincidence.

    By the way, your lifetime odds of being struck by lightning are roughly 1 per 9,000.

    So Epstein's chances of being struck by lightning were more than twice his odds of "committing suicide" while imprisoned in that jail.

    My analysis: Rare coincidence. Nothing to see, folks. Move along. Don't be a "conspiracy theorist."

    Reminds me of Don Corleone’s speech at the meeting of the Five Families in The Godfather, Part I.

    “But if he (Michael) should hang himself in his jail cell… Or be struck by a bolt of lightning.”

  222. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, there are. I think it goes well beyond basic naivety. There are some people here who seem awfully interested in making this go away. Minimizing Epstein's list of crimes and accomplices, while wanting us to accept this laughably bogus "suicide" story.

    By the way, you mentioned the Franklin pedophile ring in a previous thread.

    You might be interested in this Youtube video. It was a documentary that was made by the Discovery Channel, but never broadcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrCN_yeoRFQ

    For those who are interested in knowing more about Franklin, here's a description.

    The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.The allegations centered on the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union (FCFCU) in Omaha and a nationally-prominent political figure who was active in the Republican Party
     
    It's interesting how all these child pimps are so close to so many powerful people. It makes you wonder about the true nature of our elites...........

    In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan. As for Gentiles, we know that there were elites who engaged in debaucherous occult rituals in "Hellfire Clubs" in the UK & Ireland.

    So it's not wildly implausible that some of these traditions survived in certain elite circles and continue to practiced today. These clubs probably mix Jewish and Hellfire Gentile traditions, with some New Age stuff thrown in.

    I'd assume that many elites probably are just spectators at these occult parties, but I'm sure more than a few are quite "hands on." I also wouldn't be surprised if there were certain initation rituals that involved certain forms of sexual hazing.........

    Imagine if to be admitted into certain elite social circles, you had to engage in some type of sexual activity with a child. Imagine if pictures were taken of this. For the rest of your life, you'd be at the mercy of the other members of the circle and incapable of ever breaking free.

    I think a lot of the pedophilia at the top involves non-pedophile people who get forced into this stuff as a type of hazing ritual. Once they're initiated and shown pictures that can be later used for blackmail, they can be trusted members of the elite for life.

    “In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan.”

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:

    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.

    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for “child sacrifice”, in that case you’re talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you’re talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

    • Replies: @Alden
    More proven cases in law courts than that. St Hugo for one and the Syrian monk in the 1850s.
    Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.

    The first Christians were jews. The whole crucifix thing was human sacrifice. The Jewish God was always demanding sacrifices from his chosen people if you believe the Bible.

    There was a big ring of people in the time of Louis 14 who practiced child sacrifice of babies. Louis set up a special force of police and investigators to stop it. As soon as the first arrests were made it stopped. Killing helpless babies is one thing. Torture and execution is another.
    , @Mister.Baseball
    Good post.

    Tricking the devil or using a devilish character to trick the highest deity seems to be a folk-level, religious practice humans default to. Others which come to mind would be a conceptually naive pantheism, a distant and unapproachable high-deity figure, a vague sense of reincarnation, notional beliefs that in order to survive in this world, one must do battle with the gods and their energies and manifestations, and that wrong-doing is something extrinsic placed upon man instead of arising from man.

    In our age of the "spiritual but not religious" nones, you find these sort of beliefs re-imagined to fit a post-industrial world. For example, Marianne Williamson with her dark psychic forces theory is saying this is how President Trump operates because these are the sort of beliefs around which she organizes her world.

    That Judaism retains in official records some layer of this points, not necessarily to archaic or authentic traditions, but periods of rurality, disorganization, incongruity from the more prominent cults they encountered...the sort of conditions one would expect from a religion who held no permanent cultural center for a very long period of time and had its practitioners scattered among higher status foreigners.
    , @anonymous
    'This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, '

    Judaism's strange gods Michael Hoffman. Look up the shikekahn. Look up the Cabbalah. Both the regular legal (talmud) and mystical spiritual sides of Judaiam are rife-and I do mean rife-with satanism.

    , @anonymous taser
    'That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood,'

    The book (written by the son of the former cheif rabbi of Rome) conceded that the most famous blood libel trials were fair and that the suspects revealed details only the killers would know. In other words the blood libel is real.

    Try harder.
    , @Anne Lid
    The only way he could have killed himself with tp was if he had stuffed it in his own throat. But it is very painful to choke, unlikely that he had the guts to it.
    , @Anne Lid
    You are welcomed to look up the Tiszaeszlar blood libel, 1882, not too far back in time. Some 80 days after Eszter Solymosi's disappearance a body was fished out of the Tisza, in her clothes, the paint she shopped for just before her sudden disappearance tied to her wrist. The body could not have been dead for more than two weeks. Think what you want, I think she did not get justice, and it was not a libel after all.
  223. @Gentle Hysteric
    You are joking aren't you? Has any reader heard of someone hanging himself with toilet paper?

    Did Epstein climb a wall of worry and jump to a conclusion?

    I was quoting someone else from the thread. But yeah, unless Epstein got 30 Costco bundles of toilet paper (and even then) it sounds doubtful.

    Maybe he drowned himself in his cell toilet?

  224. Thoughts?

    The Russians…or Trump…..same thing really.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    You, or the Belgians. Same thing, really.

    See how much sense that made and how well reasoned and well supported it was?
  225. @Hopscotch
    If Trump were interested in "winning", as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery -- ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc -- that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

    This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein's suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

    Y’all forgetting that Orangutan from Queens had ENOUGH. of y’all:

  226. One thing is for sure: Very few people believe this story as it stands.

    No one in my family, liberal or conservative, GOP or Dem. knows what to make of it. Plenty of jokes like – “he committed suicide by drowning himself in his toilet then shooting himself in the back of the head with a rifle.”

  227. @Prof. Woland
    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

    At any rate, I hope that Barr the son of the man who gave Epstein his first job gets to the bottom of this.

  228. @Hail
    Stefan Molyneux, on the news of Epstein's death, at a prison (MCC New York) that had never had a single inmate suicide before in its history, and -- zany coincidence here -- occurred during a brief period during which the security camera was "malfunctioning."

    Think how desperate

    they must have been

    to make a move

    this obvious
     

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”
     

    In my view, the death of Jeffrey Epstein is a warning to any other witnesses.

    “We got to him in prison, do you think you’ll be safe anywhere?”

    I agree. The investigation will likely stop here, after a perfunctory inquiry into how he came to commit suicide in jail (and by “commit suicide” I mean “get himself murdered”). What’s left to investigate? The accused is dead.

    Killing Epstein sends a clear message to all the young women who were in his stable: “This could be you. Shut up, if you know what’s good for you.”

  229. @anon
    We really can't know if it was suicide or murder. But we do know:
    1. If it was a murder it is quite brazen and shows how confident the killers are that they can control the narrative on the story in the world (not just US) media. It would be a sign that we live under totalitarian rule.
    2. The fact that we can't know if our governmnet is this corrupt or not, because so much of what our government does is secret, is a sign that we don't have a democracy or republic worthy of the name. If we lived in a democracy or a republic we wouldn't have to worry about this.
    3. "Consipiracy theories" are no longer the province of kooks. Reasonable people now have to be conspiracy theorists to avoid being fooled by offical lies (Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
    4. No good man can tolerate this condition. Something must change.

    It’s the arrogant we can do anything we want with total impunity brazen ness of it that’s so extremely shocking. It’s a declaration of absolute power. America’s turned into Poland in 1700. The rulers are ruled by the Jews and the rest of us are the exploited serfs.

  230. @Jonathan Mason

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.
     
    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don't wake anyone else up?

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?

    If he’s been drugged, perhaps with something in his food? Probably not that hard.

    We will probably never be given details of what happened. The Feds will nix any such disclosures as revealing methods of operational security in federal prisons.

    • Replies: @Alden
    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    Epstein’s 66 years old. . 2 or 3 big strong young men used to handling recalcitrant men it wouldn’t be hard.

    There might not be a cause of death announced. His faith requires burial in the ground within a day. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing to be his next of kin and make the arrangements like Oswald’s brother had to do.
  231. @HA
    "In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan."

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go -- there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:


    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.
     
    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for "child sacrifice", in that case you're talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you're talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

    More proven cases in law courts than that. St Hugo for one and the Syrian monk in the 1850s.
    Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.

    The first Christians were jews. The whole crucifix thing was human sacrifice. The Jewish God was always demanding sacrifices from his chosen people if you believe the Bible.

    There was a big ring of people in the time of Louis 14 who practiced child sacrifice of babies. Louis set up a special force of police and investigators to stop it. As soon as the first arrests were made it stopped. Killing helpless babies is one thing. Torture and execution is another.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there."

    No one is disagreeing with that. Over a long enough time span, some small offshoot of people will indeed engage in most any deviancy imaginable, not to mention activities that are far beyond any sane person's imagining. It's drawing a direct line between what freaks and weirdoes over the course of 2000 years have committed to Judaism as a whole -- and on top of that twisting and garbling Ron Unz's references in some argument-to-authority -- that wins you the tinfoil crown.

    I likewise don't deny that there is indeed a strain/tendency in Judaism to treat any and all who are beneath them like cattle (a view I've seen expressed on this site more than once, I might add) but gentile elites have been known to behave similarly, with or without religious justification. So, if you want to blame the Rothschild's eyes-wide-shut sex parties on Judaism, you'll need to somehow explain why all those gentiles partied along with them.

    As far as I can tell, Epstein's crimes and overall creepiness are not a consequence of his devotion to Torah study. They might come to some extent from taking Freud too seriously, or maybe Phillip Roth, and that is indeed something that Jews of the last century do seem prone to, but not the religious ones. And none of that explains Clinton's or Prince Andrew's complicity.

    When you're talking about crimes as serious as raping schoolgirls, you need to come at the subject with something more substantive than sloppy historical handwaving, otherwise the Epsteins of the world will use that to try and discredit the arguments against them by playing the antisemitism card.

  232. @Art Deco
    Federal courts have jurisdiction over Indian reservations, DC, and insular dependencies. State courts over everything else.

    Yep, and the feds also have jurisdiction over military bases, as well as federal parkland and national forests, which is quite a bit of land in some of Western and Mountain States especially.

    For example, the fed gov sometimes prosecutes people who get caught with marijuana in a federal park even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Yes, I remember it well. Not weed or drugs. But criminals take vacation like everybody else. And with all the camping things lying around they steal a lot of that plus steal cars plus fights.

    And the feds put them in the local jails and transfer them around in those federal shackles

    It’s a good idea to keep strict control of national parks. People living in tents are vulnerable to anything.
    , @Autochthon

    ...even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.
     
    Marihuana is completely* illegal in every state – by dint of federal statute. Just as counterfeiting, piracy, and smuggling are; this was all settled, at great loss of blood, tears, and treasure, in 1865.

    *There are some vanishingly inconsequential exceptions, such as the allowance for legitimate scientific research in the facility at the University of Mississippi.

  233. @NickG

    Thoughts?
     
    The Russians...or Trump.....same thing really.

    You, or the Belgians. Same thing, really.

    See how much sense that made and how well reasoned and well supported it was?

  234. @hhsiii
    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I’m just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: “That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I’ll beat him up and take his cigarettes.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Right. Epstein molested a lot of teen girls, which is extremely common behavior for criminals. A huge fraction of them are involved in teen prostitution, either as pimps or "johns." I really doubt any of them felt strongly about what Epstein did.

    The reality is that pedophiles often operate with huge networks of co-abusers, with many of the abusers sometimes coming from elite circles in government, entertainment, and business. So silencing these pedophiles before they talk is a priority. There are lots of criminals who are willing to take a payment (or let their family take a payment) in return for whacking the convicted pedophile in jail.
    , @Kyle
    Yes it’s true pedophiles get beat up in prison. I think it because the prisoners want to feel morally superior in some way. Also because there’s nothing to do in prison, and it seems to me that prisoners recreate this bizzare culture of what they see in television and movies because they have nothing better to do. So they form racial gangs and barter honey buns for cigarettes and kick newbies asses. Talking to them I also get the sense that half of what they say isn’t true, they’re just embellishing the few things that did happen because mostly nothing happened. Telling badass prison stories is cooler than admitting that you’re a looser who spent two years of his life locked up doing nothing. The one thing they all agree on is that nobody gets raped in the shower.
    , @anon
    Having spent time myself in prison, I can state that it's categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn't have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered "bad" however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called "chomos" and "Chesters".

    Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.
  235. As a poster on another thread noted, this is remarkably “in your face.” Even more so, I think, than the dawn raids. This is so brazen that it is turning point, in that now, anything goes. The definition of a terrorist now includes “conspiracy theorist.” Media censorship has begun. This website will be closed under a democrat president. We are all on a list somewhere, already. Like a poster above, I renounce my heresies. Suicide it was. There was no Flight 800 missile. Refresh that stuffy-old whiteguy traditional literary canon. Life in California is awesome. And so on. I renounce it all.

  236. @Jonathan Mason

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best – at best – we are beyond pathetic.
     
    I have written something similar in another thread, but I have some experience of working in prisons, and from my experience suicidal prisoners are placed on and taken suicide precautions only on the written order of a psychiatrist, who may be a contract employee, and a lot of the assessment of the mental state of inmates is done by psychologists or "psych specialists".

    So this assessment is done more on clinical signs and symptoms, mood level, and what the inmate says, and not so much on an existential assessment of the hopelessness of the situation facing the prisoner, what losing his liberty means to him, and so on.

    Also this is a clinical (medical) decision made by medical staff rather than a decision made by the Chief of Security.

    It is not unusual for suicidal observations to be discontinued before a weekend on the say-so of the inmate saying he feels he would be OK. part of the reason being the massive costs in overtime of having an extra officer assigned to keep this inmate in line of sight at all times 24 hours a day. This is not supposed to affect the decisions of psychiatric or psychological staff, but there are subtle pressures.

    A small point of interest is that Epstein kept asking for a lot of toilet paper (by reports). It is possible to make a rope that you can hang yourself with if you have enough toilet paper to weave it. I have not yet seen any reports on what he hanged himself with.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    To me this is the Occam's Razor and there is no need to believe in conspiracy theories, such as that someone got into his cell and killed him. There are usually plenty of cameras watching the hallways and lobbies in prisons, and he was apparently locked in his cell when he was found.

    If there is a weakness in the system, it is that psychiatrists are just medical practitioners with a medical education and they do what their discipline demands of them.

    I think it is entirely possible that Epstein made the decision to kill himself and plotted his way out of suicidal observations, made a plan, and killed himself rather than spend the rest of his life in prison. Probably he had no faith in any plan his attorneys had to have him found innocent. The gaff was blown.

    I believe he was awaiting an appeal of his bail decision. He might have had the expectation of release and house-arrest, at least for a time. A slim possibility, but real none-the-less. He had not even been tried, let alone convicted. And he did beat this rap before. If he wanted to kill himself, he would have any number of opportunities after he was convicted, when things truly would be hopeless for him.

  237. Killing Epstein means that instead of having their day of vindication in criminal court and potentially embarrassing some very important people, the focus instead will now be on the victims targeting Epstein’s estate in civil suits.

    The victims will be placated with the prospect of oodles of cash in exchange for signing releases. The story itself will whither and die.

    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    • Replies: @a commenter 2
    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    Yes, with blonde white male airline pilots as the evil pedos.
  238. Thoughts?

    Assuming TPTB didn’t kill him, i’d say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he’d wasted his life.

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life–committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice girl, raised a family, been part of Israel’s lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here. But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace–for him to peddle whatever he could sell–and his legacy is as transient and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.

    But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection. It’s step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It’s bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness, missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.

    Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all—a suicidal path to emptiness, despair and death.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I’m sorry, sorry, sorry, but pimps are just evil. More evil than rapists in some ways. That’s more than 2o years dealing with sex crimes speaking.

    And the money? 85 million winning lottery ticket? 20 million house in Manhattan. Private planes so he could take minors out of the country? His pimp partner the daughter of Maxwell the Mossad and KGB spy who stole the pension funds of dozens of companies. That’s just one of Maxwell’s financial crimes.

    Epstein’s money came from Wexler. He owned an investment company but he never did any buying selling trades anything. NYC financial folk gossiped about him for years about where his money cane from as his company did little investing had few clients or employees

    He didn’t even finish college. He was a 105 IQ White pimp and came to a bad end as most pimps do
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Epstein spent his life supporting Israel by running a blackmail operation for them. This blackmail has allowed Israel to get enormous amounts of aid from America, while also getting America to commit genocide against Israel's enemies. So he worked for the benefit of his tribe and lead a life that had meaning to him.

    That's why Epstein was so popular in these elite circles.

    It's true he never had kids, but around 20% of Westerners never do. Few of them ever commit suicide.

    Epstein was killed because he knew too much. No way he committed suicide because he was sad about not having children.

    If he actually cared about kids, he could've impregnated a girl years ago. He chose not to. 0% chance he killed himself because he was childless.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Another Dad wrote:

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy.
     
    Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and have no discernible talents or skills.

    I mean, aside from being a pimp. But, you can't get that rich just being a pimp to the elites, can you?
    , @Twodees Partain
    I don't know how you do it. Even in the face of such a ridiculous media fable, you managed to touch upon every nonsensical point and bless it with your own touch of sympathy and credulousness.

    I'm in awe of you over here already.

  239. @Mr. Anon

    Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hang an unwilling participant, string him up from some ceiling fixture, leave him hanging, and do it really quietly so that you don’t wake anyone else up?
     
    If he's been drugged, perhaps with something in his food? Probably not that hard.

    We will probably never be given details of what happened. The Feds will nix any such disclosures as revealing methods of operational security in federal prisons.

    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    Epstein’s 66 years old. . 2 or 3 big strong young men used to handling recalcitrant men it wouldn’t be hard.

    There might not be a cause of death announced. His faith requires burial in the ground within a day. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing to be his next of kin and make the arrangements like Oswald’s brother had to do.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy

    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?
     
    In the two jailhouse suicides I reporter on (city jails, but probably similar to a fed clink), both of them used the thin blanket provided to them, waited for the hourly check to happen, then tied one end around their neck and the other to the top bunk.

    The thing is that means you still had contact with the floor and had to consciously keep as much weight on your neck until you passed out. A neurologist I contacted after one of them told me that since a blanket would be much thicker than a rope, it's conceivable death occurred in 7-8 minutes, but probably more like 10-20, and could have been as much as 30 to 45 minutes.

    In both cases the two prisoners (one was caught with child porn) were extremely depressed about their circumstances, which would explain the extraordinary lengths they went through to off themselves. Epstein struck me as an arrogant asshole, and not the suicidal type, but that's just a guess on my part.
  240. The obvious clue is that if Epstein was found hanged, what was it around his neck? If it was something that wasn’t allowed in his cell, an outsider had to bring it to him.

  241. @J.Ross
    All this would be tolerable if we were talking about a hotel room or a prison that had had suicides ever before in its history.

    What’s a cite for the no suicides ever at MCC? It’s a pretty big prison that’s 40 years old, including one dormitory unit and many cell units. It’s unlikely this is the first suicide.

  242. @Kolya Krassotkin
    "Mossad" -

    - or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.

    Either with Mossad or MI6, the CIA would have had to approve the hit in a federal prison.

    That’s how Five Eyes plus a Star of David plus an all-seeing eye works.

  243. @Hail
    There are reports that he was in good spirits in recent days, before the "suicide."

    _________________

    Also consider the timing of the death, in the context of the Mon.-Fri. news cycle:

    He chose Saturday early AM to kill himself? The time when the fewest people will be paying attention to the news, the time when all the big news-commentary shows are as far-off from airing fresh broadcasts as possible.

    E.g., the time of 'suicide' to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours - a very long time in the current media environment.

    Companies often fire people on Fridays, for certain reasons that may have parallels here, under a logic probably also used by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein. I recall Trump and Kushner also did the same thing on their Syria strikes, the "do it late Friday evening" trick. By the time Monday comes around, other things will have happened.

    “E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment.”

    Not so. After declaring “White Supremacy” a hoax, Tucker decided to go on “vacation” fly fishing to be exact.

    It is a pattern at Fox.

    Painful watching how little they get away with, while other pundits elsewhere are allowed free reign.

    • Replies: @Hail

    After declaring “White Supremacy” a hoax, Tucker decided to go on “vacation” fly fishing to be exact.
     
    This is exactly what happened during the Valentine's Day massacre immigration cave-in of 2019. It aligned very precisely with Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham being sent off on vacations:

    [February 15, 2019 at 3:50 pm GMT • 200 Words]

    Hail says:

    Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain’t so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine’s Day to Presidents Day “holiday weekend,” Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur — all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham’s show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show — there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her vacation in Colorado but had phone problems and didn’t really get in her point. All three’s coverage was totally dominated by other stories.

    We know Trump watched at least some of FoxNews primetime last night (i.e., at least some of these three), because he tweeted a quote from one of Tucker’s anodyne stories.


    Mickey Kaus
    @kausmickey
    Hannity doing a good job of chloroforming his audience with unlistenable Maddowesque Russia/FBI monologue before he gets to the urgent events that are actually happening today ...
     

    Tucker mysteriously absent for any conversation about the bill.... he’s whiffing in purpose, here.
     

     

    Anonymous[264] says:
    February 15, 2019 at 5:05 pm GMT

    @Hail
    Fox executives might have made the decision to have Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham MIA last night.
     


    Hail says:
    February 15, 2019 at 6:29 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @Anonymous
    They couldn’t have known what this bill would have in it when they made the decision to give vacation time to two of their stars. They did know, as of the end of the last shutdown, that today was new budget deadline day (as announced by Trump), but they couldn’t have known this.

    Their absences align with a “Valentine’s Day Thursday, a Friday, and Presidents Day Monday” three-days-in-a-row presumed low-viewership window, so a long-planned use of vacation time may be more likely.
     

    I should have added, at the time, that Blumpf and his handlers knew the same -- that the alignment of the Valetine's Day to President's Day holidays and weekend would make for a soft spot in the news cycle, the softest spot of that time of the year.

    And the White House Blumpfites probably specifically knew, due to close ties to Fox, that both Tucker and Laura would be on vacation at this time (it's not like Tucker's vacations are closely guarded state secrets).

    The planning/timing was likely the same, by whoever ordered the killing of Epstein.

  244. @RadicalCenter
    Yep, and the feds also have jurisdiction over military bases, as well as federal parkland and national forests, which is quite a bit of land in some of Western and Mountain States especially.

    For example, the fed gov sometimes prosecutes people who get caught with marijuana in a federal park even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    Yes, I remember it well. Not weed or drugs. But criminals take vacation like everybody else. And with all the camping things lying around they steal a lot of that plus steal cars plus fights.

    And the feds put them in the local jails and transfer them around in those federal shackles

    It’s a good idea to keep strict control of national parks. People living in tents are vulnerable to anything.

  245. @Paul Jolliffe
    There are rumors about Tim McVeigh's death - one witness claimed that he was still breathing (albeit very shallow breaths) AFTER he was pronounced "dead."

    Was McVeigh "posthumously"smuggled out of prison because he was the ultimate provocateur/insider/intelligence operative up to that point?

    Here's Susan Carlson from Chicago's WLS-AM radio and an eyewitness to McVeigh's "execution":

    SUSAN CARLSON: No fear – no fear whatsoever. No, no statement, no verbal statement – nothing to say. They, they did offer him the opportunity to speak, and I think everybody was waiting with bated breath… for what he was about to say, and he remained stone cold silent, stared directly at the ceiling, stoic, stoically, after he had made a point looking at all of us, he looked at the ceiling, he laid back down, and from that point on, he had no expression whatsoever. In fact, it was hard to even tell when he had passed on, because, of his shallow breathing – or what appeared to be shallow breathing – continued, even after they pronounced him dead, and his eyes remained open the entire time – I don’t even think he blinked – and he died with his eyes open.

    A lot of real men go out as men. That’s what the journalist was describing. Watch the video of Saddam’s hanging, or Ragnar Lothbrok die in Vikings.

  246. @Cagey Beast
    The Trump era seems to be cracking open the existing Establishment like a rotten coconut. The craziness is just starting, I fear. This ride is not going to be fun. What happens when the people running a massive pyramid scheme stop trusting one another?

    Every 70 or so years the U.S. goes through a major restructuring. Encrusted systems of injustice make people sufficiently angry that they are willing to forgo short- and medium-term comfort in order to reorganize the systems.

  247. @HA
    "In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan."

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go -- there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:


    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.
     
    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for "child sacrifice", in that case you're talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you're talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

    Good post.

    Tricking the devil or using a devilish character to trick the highest deity seems to be a folk-level, religious practice humans default to. Others which come to mind would be a conceptually naive pantheism, a distant and unapproachable high-deity figure, a vague sense of reincarnation, notional beliefs that in order to survive in this world, one must do battle with the gods and their energies and manifestations, and that wrong-doing is something extrinsic placed upon man instead of arising from man.

    In our age of the “spiritual but not religious” nones, you find these sort of beliefs re-imagined to fit a post-industrial world. For example, Marianne Williamson with her dark psychic forces theory is saying this is how President Trump operates because these are the sort of beliefs around which she organizes her world.

    That Judaism retains in official records some layer of this points, not necessarily to archaic or authentic traditions, but periods of rurality, disorganization, incongruity from the more prominent cults they encountered…the sort of conditions one would expect from a religion who held no permanent cultural center for a very long period of time and had its practitioners scattered among higher status foreigners.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Belief in the existence of the "evil eye" or malocchio and the use of various amulets or tricks to ward it off is widespread throughout the entire Mediterranean world and probably predate Judaism or any modern religion.

    Often, elements of existing folk beliefs or prior religions persist even when a new religion is introduced and get incorporated into the new religion. What usually happens is that the people persist in the folk belief. If it is really harmful (human sacrifice) the theologians of the new religion reject it but if it seems harmless enough (Christmas trees, the Easter bunny) they make a space for it in the new religion and even incorporate it into the new religious doctrine and invent explanations that make it fit in.

    For example, some people believe that the breaking of a glass at a Jewish wedding was originally just a way to make a loud noise and ward off evil spirits (this is a pretty common folk belief - you set off fireworks, bang drums, ring bells, etc. - it's known that dangerous animals flee from loud noises so you might expect evil spirits to respond in the same way). But some rabbis say that the breaking of the glass is supposed to remind people of the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem.
  248. @Helo
    Jack -

    The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial...and here we are.

    You're looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable - I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    You’re looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable – I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    1941 America was honest?

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    As a percentage of the total population I think the number of honest people in 1941 would closely parallel the number in 2019 given the proportion 130 million to 330 million.
  249. @Lagertha
    I do believe there is sexual blackmail (child or adult victims) at the highest level of govt and business...well banking.

    Yeah.

    Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs.

    Here’s an interesting blog post that offers plausible speculation that Blankfein might be a gay pedophile.

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2014/01/which-major-financier-is-gay-pederast.html

  250. the comments should be numbered in order of time of approval not time of submission.

    was epstein really facing life in prison? he wasn’t being tried for rape or pimping was he? just being tried for the same thing he’d already served time for, right? why so few details?

    • Replies: @Alden
    The crime he pled guilty to in Florida to was pimping or soliciting customers for prostitutes.
  251. @Alden
    More proven cases in law courts than that. St Hugo for one and the Syrian monk in the 1850s.
    Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.

    The first Christians were jews. The whole crucifix thing was human sacrifice. The Jewish God was always demanding sacrifices from his chosen people if you believe the Bible.

    There was a big ring of people in the time of Louis 14 who practiced child sacrifice of babies. Louis set up a special force of police and investigators to stop it. As soon as the first arrests were made it stopped. Killing helpless babies is one thing. Torture and execution is another.

    “Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there.”

    No one is disagreeing with that. Over a long enough time span, some small offshoot of people will indeed engage in most any deviancy imaginable, not to mention activities that are far beyond any sane person’s imagining. It’s drawing a direct line between what freaks and weirdoes over the course of 2000 years have committed to Judaism as a whole — and on top of that twisting and garbling Ron Unz’s references in some argument-to-authority — that wins you the tinfoil crown.

    I likewise don’t deny that there is indeed a strain/tendency in Judaism to treat any and all who are beneath them like cattle (a view I’ve seen expressed on this site more than once, I might add) but gentile elites have been known to behave similarly, with or without religious justification. So, if you want to blame the Rothschild’s eyes-wide-shut sex parties on Judaism, you’ll need to somehow explain why all those gentiles partied along with them.

    As far as I can tell, Epstein’s crimes and overall creepiness are not a consequence of his devotion to Torah study. They might come to some extent from taking Freud too seriously, or maybe Phillip Roth, and that is indeed something that Jews of the last century do seem prone to, but not the religious ones. And none of that explains Clinton’s or Prince Andrew’s complicity.

    When you’re talking about crimes as serious as raping schoolgirls, you need to come at the subject with something more substantive than sloppy historical handwaving, otherwise the Epsteins of the world will use that to try and discredit the arguments against them by playing the antisemitism card.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article I referred to St Hugo and the 1850s Syrian monk neither of whom Ron mentioned . I didn’t write a word about Epstein or raping school girls either I didn’t write about the Torah or that Epstein studies Torah and rapes school girls. I didn’t write the words Epstein, Torah rape sex school girl Philip Roth Freud Rothschild’s strangely decorated 1960’s party eyes wide shut movie or anything you claim I said.

    Either you made it all up and thought I’d believe your lies about your post or you’re so deranged you believe your own lies about my post. Or you need to lay off the drugs and or alcohol.

    Read my post 237 if you ever sober up.

    FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.

    On second thoughts, you’re Wizard of OZ. Same blatant falsehoods same insane arrogance that I’ll believe your lies about what I just wrote.
  252. @AnotherDad

    Thoughts?
     
    Assuming TPTB didn't kill him, i'd say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he'd wasted his life.

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life--committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice girl, raised a family, been part of Israel's lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here. But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace--for him to peddle whatever he could sell--and his legacy is as transient and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.

    But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection. It's step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It's bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness, missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.

    Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all---a suicidal path to emptiness, despair and death.

    I’m sorry, sorry, sorry, but pimps are just evil. More evil than rapists in some ways. That’s more than 2o years dealing with sex crimes speaking.

    And the money? 85 million winning lottery ticket? 20 million house in Manhattan. Private planes so he could take minors out of the country? His pimp partner the daughter of Maxwell the Mossad and KGB spy who stole the pension funds of dozens of companies. That’s just one of Maxwell’s financial crimes.

    Epstein’s money came from Wexler. He owned an investment company but he never did any buying selling trades anything. NYC financial folk gossiped about him for years about where his money cane from as his company did little investing had few clients or employees

    He didn’t even finish college. He was a 105 IQ White pimp and came to a bad end as most pimps do

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    He...came to a bad end as most pimps do.
     
    https://youtu.be/2eBZqmL8ehg

    (These did alright....)
  253. @Prof. Woland
    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

    Ahahahhaa. So he won the powerball too? Maybe the powerball is just a mossad fund raiser. Think about it, how many black people have ever won relative to the number of tickets they buy? Every once in a while some hillbilly in West Virginia wins just to keep up the ruse.

    • Replies: @anon

    So he won the powerball too?
     
    Looks like the whole of society is rigged.
  254. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1160256428445229058


    https://twitter.com/ochocinco/status/1160275015335628801

    So, thus far, we know the following:

    The SDNY–a hive of Comeyism/Brennanism/Clapperism until Trump won the Russiagate Conspiracy, but perhaps less so now–charges Epstein again.

    Trump is basically totally clear. Indeed, the lawyer for the woman pursuing these cases civilly (whom Epstein recruited at Mar a Lago) recently said that in 2009 Trump was the only person who answered his phone call and was completely candid about his knowledge of Epstein.

    Bill Clinton has been revealed to have flown on the Lolita Express 20-something times and often without Secret Service protection. His spokesperson boldly lied recently and said he’d only flown on Epstein’s plane four times. Ghislaine Maxwell had a prime seat at Chelsea’s wedding after Epstein had finished his 2008 sentence.

    Legal documents were released this week implicating serious international heavyweights in an underage sex ring, including billionaires, national-level Democratic politicians, and Royals from the House of Hanover.

    Epstein has mysteriously died in a Manhattan federal prison as the most high-profle prisoner in the U.S., the U.K., Israel, and perhaps the entire world–a couple weeks after a previous “suicide attempt.”

    Trump Tweeted a clip expressly implicating the Clintons, and Giuliani, former head of the SDNY, has said this doesn’t look like a suicide.

  255. @HA
    "Like Christianity, Judaism has a gazillion sects many very localized and insular. It probably happened over the centuries here and there."

    No one is disagreeing with that. Over a long enough time span, some small offshoot of people will indeed engage in most any deviancy imaginable, not to mention activities that are far beyond any sane person's imagining. It's drawing a direct line between what freaks and weirdoes over the course of 2000 years have committed to Judaism as a whole -- and on top of that twisting and garbling Ron Unz's references in some argument-to-authority -- that wins you the tinfoil crown.

    I likewise don't deny that there is indeed a strain/tendency in Judaism to treat any and all who are beneath them like cattle (a view I've seen expressed on this site more than once, I might add) but gentile elites have been known to behave similarly, with or without religious justification. So, if you want to blame the Rothschild's eyes-wide-shut sex parties on Judaism, you'll need to somehow explain why all those gentiles partied along with them.

    As far as I can tell, Epstein's crimes and overall creepiness are not a consequence of his devotion to Torah study. They might come to some extent from taking Freud too seriously, or maybe Phillip Roth, and that is indeed something that Jews of the last century do seem prone to, but not the religious ones. And none of that explains Clinton's or Prince Andrew's complicity.

    When you're talking about crimes as serious as raping schoolgirls, you need to come at the subject with something more substantive than sloppy historical handwaving, otherwise the Epsteins of the world will use that to try and discredit the arguments against them by playing the antisemitism card.

    I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article I referred to St Hugo and the 1850s Syrian monk neither of whom Ron mentioned . I didn’t write a word about Epstein or raping school girls either I didn’t write about the Torah or that Epstein studies Torah and rapes school girls. I didn’t write the words Epstein, Torah rape sex school girl Philip Roth Freud Rothschild’s strangely decorated 1960’s party eyes wide shut movie or anything you claim I said.

    Either you made it all up and thought I’d believe your lies about your post or you’re so deranged you believe your own lies about my post. Or you need to lay off the drugs and or alcohol.

    Read my post 237 if you ever sober up.

    FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.

    On second thoughts, you’re Wizard of OZ. Same blatant falsehoods same insane arrogance that I’ll believe your lies about what I just wrote.

    • Replies: @anonymous taser
    'FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.'


    To me its a sure sign they are guilty. Smoke. Fire.

    , @HA
    "I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article.... I didn’t write a word about Epstein...or anything you claim I said."

    The earlier commenter did indeed make reference to that (and to articles by Unz that describe a wide range of historical events routinely regarded as antisemitic hysteria that have a grain of truth behind them). That's not the first time he's done that, and my reply to him was basically just a repeat of what I told him earlier. Not every post has to be all about you.

    You did, however, make reference to Étienne Guibourg/Madame de Montespan. Those occult practices had very definite connections to Christianity, and the number of murdered infants in that case alone numbered 2,500. On the basis of that, are we going to draw wild extrapolations of how Christianity leads to terrible crimes? How accurate and fair would that be? And at least the Versailles black masses were actual crimes. What if on top of that I throw in the Satanic child abuse hysteria of the 80's and 90's and the Salem witch trials -- i.e. stuff that was completely and outrageously fabricated -- and use that to make a case of how Christians are monstrous people that regularly sacrifice children and worship Satan. It's all part of a pattern, right? I mean, where there's smoke there must be fire, right?

    "FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse."

    I'm not denying that. Apparently, you're the one who's putting words in people's mouths while at the same time accusing me of doing that. If you want to use actual and verified (and too often overlooked) historical events -- I made reference to Jewish over-representation in the European slave trade, if you need a starting point, and there's some more along that vein if you want to go through my comment history -- to make the case that Jews or anyone else have been historically guilty of badly treating others, that would at least be a step forward.

    But lumping together events that might have some grain of truth and events that even now are nothing but flights of lunacy (though admittedly, perhaps grounded in more realistic fears of being victimized and enslaved by their economic superiors) in some grand connect-the-dots exercise about Jews or anyone else is just going to lead to more idiots shooting up places (which in turn will be used to justify counter-reprisals, etc., etc). Cool it down, people.

    Right now, I guarantee you, some crazy feminist is writing a screed whereby she's going to attribute Epstein's crime to the sole fact that he is a pale-skinned male. She's going to wildly lump in pseudo-scientific ramblings about the effects of testosterone in an effort to legitimize her nutty conclusions, along with a bunch of disconnected historical references that point to a clear and definite pattern, and use that to feed the hysteria about how all men are rapists. I'm pretty sure the people who frequent this site would be able to poke a hole or two in that kind of approach, and good for them.

    But by the same token, people who actually care about getting the big picture right should likewise resist the same smear jobs when they're applied to other groups. (And for the record, I do realize that any such crazy feminist ramblings might actually get published in the NYT and WP and lead to a sweet book deal, whereas crazy antisemitic ramblings will just lead to arrests and crackdowns against all gentiles. I don't defend that lopsided state of affairs, either, but that still doesn't mean that crazy antisemitic ramblings should be defended.)
  256. @Lagertha
    psychopaths do not kill themselves...never crosses their mind.

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.

    Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Kemper, David Berkowitz, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson – all of them did worse things than Epstein is accused of doing. Pretty shameful things too – to anybody who has a sense of shame – murder, cannibalism, necrophilia. And yet, none of them ever tried to commit suicide. They all clung to life until it was taken from them, if they are not still alive.

    I don’t think Epstein had a single milliliter of shame in him. If he did, he wouldn’t have lived his life the way he did.

    I’m with you – his suicide doesn’t compute.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I think it's more likely than not that he committed suicide (although the circumstances -- especially the fire on the island, certainly points to the possibility of "assisted suicide"). More than a few Jews are brilliant but mad as a March hare (think Weinstein or Belfort, just to name two off the top of my head). I personally know of another in the city where I live -- a brilliant doctor and successful novelist who, one day, decided to hang himself in the closet for his wife to discover.
  257. @Cagey Beast
    This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.

    You’re right, the fictions we grew up with are no longer holding.

  258. @Cagey Beast
    The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We've got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    Prudent advice, but I think this phenomenon is bigger than just a Tribal thing. Lots of big dogs are involved.

    “When elephants fight, grass gets trampled.”

    -Fake saying from a place with elephants

  259. @Cagey Beast
    The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We've got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    ” The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. ”

    Tetragrammaton vs.Tetragrammaton, you say?

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  260. I’m reading that the camera in Epstein’s cell “malfunctioned.”

    Riiiiight.

    K let’s just cut right to the chase: everyone who doesn’t believe that the Jewish Mafia (AKA international Jewry) had Epstein murdered, plz raise ur hand.

    Plz include explanation as to why someone who has half a billion dollars, has displayed no capability for shame or guilt, and the maximum amount of chutzpah humanly possible, and who has beat the system over and over and over for most of his life, would kill himself.

    Haha, j/k, there’s no explanation.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBpxuKDXkAAyqOd.jpg
    , @Uilleam Yr Alban
    I don't buy it either. The problem is, maybe Epstein didn't want to live anymore. What did he have to live for?

    A guy with balls like Epstein's (and yes, a guy this brazen is not given to fear) wouldn't tell anyone he was "sad," probably wouldn't even know what it means to acknowledge that state, and would just do whatever he had planned to do.
  261. @Malcolm X-Lax
    As a general rule I try never to attribute to malice or chicanery what can be attributed to incompetence. But in this case... Maybe a thorough investigation of the finances of the person or people who decided to lift the suicide watch (assuming that report is correct) is in order.

    Why? Why is that your general rule? Sounds like a stupid rule.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I like you, Svigor. But you don't have to respond to every post.
  262. @Cagey Beast
    It's very, very interesting how many normies aren't buying this at face value. This is a real turning point.

    White Nationalists are going to build a million miles of road out of this one.

  263. @Lawyer Guy
    He was suicided. My only surprise was that it didn't come before the first document tranche.

    Somehow the other documents will be accidentally lost or ruined, by accident.

    Yep. It will be interesting to see how much of a coverup follows. The murder scene? Court documents? Evidence gathered? (((Ghislaine Maxwell))) skates?

    One complication is that the victims’ lawyers are going after his estate. Speaking of, it’ll be interesting to discover who is going to get Epstein’s stuff (AFAIK he has no kids).

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the victims’ lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    One complication is that the victims’ lawyers are going after his estate.

    ..................

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the victims’ lawyers go after (((Madam Maxwell))) and try to take all her shit, too.
     
    Not necessarily. If Epstein was indeed murdered (and I am inclined to believe he was), he wasn't murdered on a lark. He was murdered to silence him. Any of the girls he recruited will see and understand this for the warning it was meant to be.

    An interesting point is why was Epstein arrested in the first place? Why did SDNY decide to investigate Epstein? Because they are tireless servants of the public weal and defenders of justice? Okay, go ahead an believe that if you want to. For the rest of us, who don't buy that, the timing is still a mystery.

    Here's one scenario: for whatever reason (the various civil lawsuits surrounding the case, for example), somebody thought that the Epstein affair might blow open wide (it did not back in 2008 - Epstein's "incarceration" didn't cause much of a stir back then). And maybe someone decided it was time to liquidate the blackmail operation known as Jeffrey Epstein. How to do it? Accident? Murder? Those options would raise suspicions. Suicide? Why would he commit suicide when he wasn't even under indictment? But indict him, arrest him, and put him in jail - now you have an excuse to cover up his murder as a suicide. Yes, it still looks off, but perhaps it was the least fishy looking alternative. Plus, being under arrest, you can gather up all his papers and any other incriminating evidence.
  264. @Kolya Krassotkin
    "Mossad" -

    - or the British secret service. Liz-2 is over 90, and her second son, Prince Andrew, was named in tge papers that were released yesterday. Liz is popular, but her children not so much, and the allegations of louche behaviour with someone under age made against someone so close to the throne, I am sure, is right now rocking The Palace.

    First Diana (for threatening to marry a muslim), and now Epstein (for threatening to reveal info about Andrew). She’s as ruthless as any of her ancestors.

  265. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    Agree and amplify, at least in spirit. I routinely piss all over the stupid konspiracy kookery I read on this site, and have for years. And I think it’s obvious that Epstein was running the pedo honey trap for International Jewry, AKA the Jewish mafia, that he was big-time glow-in-the-dark Mossad-connected, and that he was murdered at the behest of his associates.

    Will be interesting to see how much the authorities and media investigate Epstein’s death, look into the prison employees who might’ve been involved, etc; some of them might want to investigate life insurance options too, btw.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil

    Will be interesting to see how much the authorities and media investigate Epstein’s death...
     
    Yeah...it will be interesting.
  266. @Hopscotch
    If Trump were interested in "winning", as he likes to claim, he would push the DOJ to view this as a RICO case, not one about a single rich pedophile. There was a criminal organization at work here, with multiple conspirators and enablers. They should be indicted. Additionally, there are enough people on the periphery -- ex-presidents, financiers, professors, etc -- that deserve to be dragged in front of a jury, where they can publicly plead the 5th.

    This should have been the approach from Day 1, and hopefully, Epstein's suspicious death will be a catalyst for it.

    The orange faggot could have drained half the swamp the day after he was inaugurated, by firing anyone who smelled funny at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., etc., etc; they have pretty much no legal protection from firing, because Cold War Taken Seriously.

    He’s fired nobody.

    He sure as fuck isn’t going to bother with investigations if he’s too lazy or cowardly to even fire people.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    At this point he's basically turned over the entire U.S. intelligence establishment. Look at Comey, Clapper, and Brennan for more. The idea that an upstart who took over one of the parties to become president can do that in a day, instead of a couple years, is naive.

    Indeed, only now that he's won the Russiagate Conspiracy showdown, is he in a position to really clean house.
  267. @Achmed E. Newman

    Now more than ever: intelligence agencies need to be vetted, gutted, and broken up into more manageable smaller entities.
     
    It's pretty hard to imagine that happening, when whoever's trying to do the gutting is susceptible to blackmail by an NSA that can probably get its hands on any email or transcript of any phone call. Most people have something to hide, or at least be ashamed of, somewhere back in the past. This stuff has got to be ended from the inside.

    Long live Ed Snowden!

    Long live Ed Snowden!

    Because he’s not in federal custody.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Once again: it's all the Russians' fault that he is not!

    Also, Nabokov – another Russian! – wrote Lolita, which doubtless inspired many of the debauched people involved with Epstein.

    And Clinton famously enjoyed "big titties," which, of course, facilitate so-called Russian sex.

    And Clinton was pudgy, doubtless a fan of Reuben sandwiches (we know he liked meaty, Jewish offerings), so there's also a connection to Russian dressing.

    In fact, I'm pretty sure the Russians cause traffic to be so bad during rush hour.

    The Russians broke up Guns 'n' Roses, killed Jimmy Hoffa, greenlighted The Real World, created the human immunodeficiency virus, gave Kesha a recording contract. They must be stopped!
    , @Lagertha
    relax....everything is under cover.
  268. @Prof. Woland
    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein’s New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

    Maybe Epstein was struck by lightning while in prison. He is……….just……….that………….lucky.

  269. @Jack Hanson
    Wow, the people who are constantly running interference for a certain country and it's ethnics and who are hand waving this as no big deal are looking like one big circle on the Venn Diagram.

    Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP.

    But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay.

    The paranoid mind believes the conspiracy first, facts are fitted to the conspiracy or just ignored.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell first dated, then later operated a prostitution ring in South Florida. Ghislaine's father was a very valuable Mossad agent (as confirmed by Israeli leaders and journalist Seymour Hersh). So valuable that various Israeli leaders and intelligence figures attended his funeral.

    Epstein was given a huge amount of money to manage by super pro-Israel Leslie Wexner (owner of L Brands and Victoria's Secret) and then "misappropriated it." Epstein was even given a free (!!!) multimillion dollar house by Wexner.

    For his crimes, Epstein got a super easy deal from Acosta in 2008. Later, Acosta claimed that someone told him that Epstein was "intelligence" and therefore he should back down, which was Acosta's explanation for offering the easy deal. Acosta was later fired for this.

    Even before that, Epstein had a charmed existence for decades. Despite being a college dropout, he got a teaching job at super prestigious Dalton. He later went to work on Wall Street and made partner at Bear Stearns. In what normal country does a college dropout get all those cool jobs?

    Even after his brief sentence for sex crimes in 2008, he continued to be accepted in elite circles. He seems to have surrounded himself with a very high proportion of Jewish individuals.

    I have no idea why Epstein was rearrested recently, but I suppose someone powerful must've had their hand forced. Jews may not be all-powerful, but there's no way to understand Epstein's rise and his decades of untouchability without mentioning the role of influential Jewish ethnic networks. If these networks can't protect their members 100% of the time, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

    The Epstein story is just too strange for real life.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Amazingly I'm not the one trying to turn this into another iSteve episode of THOSE CRAZY ANTI SEMITES ARE GONNA NOTICE AND EVERYONE GONNA END UP IN GAS CHAMBERS WITH WOODEN DOORS.

    Epstein's suicide doesn't speak to the specific Jewish power you and yours always pretend doesn't exist in America as much as it speaks to the power of a general class of unaccountable elites that are likely satanic pedophiles. However, your monomania about how noticing Epstein leads to the Holocaust just makes you and everyone else look ridiculous.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP...'

    Perhaps unproven, but hardly 'zero evidence.'

    We have a former premier of Israel photographed slipping into Epstein's mansion, and we have the fact that Epstein himself was closely associated with Zionist figures such as Wexler, Dershowitz, and Ghislane Maxwell. We have repeated evidence of powerful friends intervening on Epstein's behalf -- from the interference in the initial investigations back in 2008 to Acosta being told to back off. Finally, we have the fact that every known Zionist at Unz Review is very concerned to dismiss any possibility of a connection between Epstein and Israel.

    Epstein had access to enormous financial assets -- and only the vaguest explanation of how he came by them. If it wasn't because he was serving the Zionists, who would you suggest he was serving? Everyone involved is either Jewish, a Zionist, a major advocate for Israel, or all three. Looking at the evidence, what's your guess?
  270. @J1234
    True: I worked at Franklin in the mid-'80's for about 3 or 4 months, as I recall. It was a weird place (that's why I left so soon) but I saw nothing at the time that would lead me to believe there was organized child abuse. In retrospect, however, I do believe it happened, despite a lack of hard evidence. Why? In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    The real reason I believe the Franklin pedophile ring existed came from outside of my experience at Franklin. Harold Andersen - publisher of the World Herald - was known publicly to be a close confidant of King. I believe he was on the Franklin board, and was later rumored to be part of the pedo ring. Years before anyone knew anything about the embezzlement scandal or pedo rumors, my mom had told me she knew the lady who cleaned Andersen's house, and this lady had found child pornography in his office (it was oriented towards young boys.) I'd say this was three or four years before everything became public. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure, but all the puzzle pieces fit together too well for me to ignore the probability of what went on.

    This is fascinating. Thankyou for sharing.

    In part because Larry King wanted me to change my job responsibilities to include very dubious activities. Nothing illegal, but highly suspect in a moral sense. I quit immediately.

    Could you elaborate?

    • Replies: @J1234
    I won't go there...other than to say it was something that could've been morally legit, or not...about a 50/50 chance. (I'll also say it had absolutely nothing to do with children.) Not trying to be self-congratulatory, but I erred on the side of caution and decency. When the dirt was eventually made public, I figured that my suspicions were likely correct.

    I later became reacquainted with the accountant at Franklin just before he (and his mother) went to prison for embezzling about a million dollars from the credit union. (The story is that he had nothing to do with the child abuse.) Omaha wasn't/isn't such a big city that you don't frequently run into people from previous jobs or situations. At Franklin he was quite blustery. When I met him again, he had been greatly humbled by his fall. It sounds corny, and probably naive, but some people can actually learn something from public humiliation. I don't think Jeffrey Epstein was one of those people.
  271. @Jack D
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories. Never attribute government action to evil when mere incompetence will suffice.

    It's my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence. As Jonathan said, some low bidder contract employee (a lot of the gov. employee psychiatrists in NY are like Koreans who don't even speak Engrish that well) who was under instructions never to put anyone on suicide watch because it leads to expensive overtime signed off on Epstein as if he was any other disposable piece of trash prisoner as 99% of prisoners are. The bureaucracy is really very democratic and treats everyone like shit (except for their own, who are treated like royalty). The bureaucracy exists for itself and not to take care of prisoners. They don't want them all to kill themselves because then they wouldn't have jobs but a few now and then are no big deal.

    Maybe, maybe maybe if the instruction had come from on high to really, really treat Epstein as extra special then they would have done it, but it never came. Epstein had ample intelligence and reason to want to kill himself and the bureaucracy didn't have ample reason or intelligence to stop him so he won.

    Suicide watch is something done in hospitals to care for the person and make sure he is not getting things out of proportion. When endless it becomes a Guantanamo Bay style regieme designed to break you. Ben Zygier the Mossad traitor was watched constantly in order to torment him.

    Ditto Tommy Silverstein who killed a guard at a supermax

    At end of day in Epstein’s shoes it was perfectly logical to kill oneself.

  272. @Lagertha
    I don't know if this is crap or what:
    https://newspunch.com/banker-sacrifice-children-illuminati/

    I read/watched this more than 3 years ago.

  273. @Alden
    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    Epstein’s 66 years old. . 2 or 3 big strong young men used to handling recalcitrant men it wouldn’t be hard.

    There might not be a cause of death announced. His faith requires burial in the ground within a day. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing to be his next of kin and make the arrangements like Oswald’s brother had to do.

    No fixtures, nothing but a flat ceiling with recessed lights in those federal detention centers. Even if they managed to make a rope out of torn up underwear what would they attach it to?

    In the two jailhouse suicides I reporter on (city jails, but probably similar to a fed clink), both of them used the thin blanket provided to them, waited for the hourly check to happen, then tied one end around their neck and the other to the top bunk.

    The thing is that means you still had contact with the floor and had to consciously keep as much weight on your neck until you passed out. A neurologist I contacted after one of them told me that since a blanket would be much thicker than a rope, it’s conceivable death occurred in 7-8 minutes, but probably more like 10-20, and could have been as much as 30 to 45 minutes.

    In both cases the two prisoners (one was caught with child porn) were extremely depressed about their circumstances, which would explain the extraordinary lengths they went through to off themselves. Epstein struck me as an arrogant asshole, and not the suicidal type, but that’s just a guess on my part.

  274. @Lot
    Unproved zero-evidence assumptions: Epstein was working for Israel, and Israel has compromised many people at just the right parts of the BoP.

    But this hyper-competent group lacked the competence to stop him from being charged, or to at least get a heads up and bump him off outside before he was arrested, or to get him to disappear to Brazil or Paraguay.

    The paranoid mind believes the conspiracy first, facts are fitted to the conspiracy or just ignored.

    Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell first dated, then later operated a prostitution ring in South Florida. Ghislaine’s father was a very valuable Mossad agent (as confirmed by Israeli leaders and journalist Seymour Hersh). So valuable that various Israeli leaders and intelligence figures attended his funeral.

    Epstein was given a huge amount of money to manage by super pro-Israel Leslie Wexner (owner of L Brands and Victoria’s Secret) and then “misappropriated it.” Epstein was even given a free (!!!) multimillion dollar house by Wexner.

    For his crimes, Epstein got a super easy deal from Acosta in 2008. Later, Acosta claimed that someone told him that Epstein was “intelligence” and therefore he should back down, which was Acosta’s explanation for offering the easy deal. Acosta was later fired for this.

    Even before that, Epstein had a charmed existence for decades. Despite being a college dropout, he got a teaching job at super prestigious Dalton. He later went to work on Wall Street and made partner at Bear Stearns. In what normal country does a college dropout get all those cool jobs?

    Even after his brief sentence for sex crimes in 2008, he continued to be accepted in elite circles. He seems to have surrounded himself with a very high proportion of Jewish individuals.

    I have no idea why Epstein was rearrested recently, but I suppose someone powerful must’ve had their hand forced. Jews may not be all-powerful, but there’s no way to understand Epstein’s rise and his decades of untouchability without mentioning the role of influential Jewish ethnic networks. If these networks can’t protect their members 100% of the time, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    The Epstein story is just too strange for real life.

  275. @Jonathan Mason

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.
     
    You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.

    Hehe…hehe…Virginia Roberts told me Jeffrey Epstein was weltanschauung … hehe….

  276. @Mr. Anon

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.
     
    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I'm just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: "That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I'll beat him up and take his cigarettes."

    Right. Epstein molested a lot of teen girls, which is extremely common behavior for criminals. A huge fraction of them are involved in teen prostitution, either as pimps or “johns.” I really doubt any of them felt strongly about what Epstein did.

    The reality is that pedophiles often operate with huge networks of co-abusers, with many of the abusers sometimes coming from elite circles in government, entertainment, and business. So silencing these pedophiles before they talk is a priority. There are lots of criminals who are willing to take a payment (or let their family take a payment) in return for whacking the convicted pedophile in jail.

  277. @Kyle
    Ahahahhaa. So he won the powerball too? Maybe the powerball is just a mossad fund raiser. Think about it, how many black people have ever won relative to the number of tickets they buy? Every once in a while some hillbilly in West Virginia wins just to keep up the ruse.

    So he won the powerball too?

    Looks like the whole of society is rigged.

  278. @AnotherDad

    Thoughts?
     
    Assuming TPTB didn't kill him, i'd say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he'd wasted his life.

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life--committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice girl, raised a family, been part of Israel's lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here. But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace--for him to peddle whatever he could sell--and his legacy is as transient and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.

    But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection. It's step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It's bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness, missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.

    Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all---a suicidal path to emptiness, despair and death.

    Epstein spent his life supporting Israel by running a blackmail operation for them. This blackmail has allowed Israel to get enormous amounts of aid from America, while also getting America to commit genocide against Israel’s enemies. So he worked for the benefit of his tribe and lead a life that had meaning to him.

    That’s why Epstein was so popular in these elite circles.

    It’s true he never had kids, but around 20% of Westerners never do. Few of them ever commit suicide.

    Epstein was killed because he knew too much. No way he committed suicide because he was sad about not having children.

    If he actually cared about kids, he could’ve impregnated a girl years ago. He chose not to. 0% chance he killed himself because he was childless.

  279. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    Bill Clinton's bony hands? I used to discount the dead in the wake of the Clinton juggernaut as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure.

    Too many powerful Democrats wanted Epstein dead. No one can hang themselves during a genuine suicide watch.

    This is an interesting point. How was this set up? Team from outside? Inside guards? You’d need at least two people active to “control the prisoner”, with one in reserve. If some kind of “hanging” really was the case, you’d need time to set up the noose or whatever.

    During actual contact with E, you’d need the cooperation of the prison administration and the technical person who caused the video cameras to “fail”, plus the guards assigned to the area, plus the building and hall guards and video equipment if you used a raiding force instead of corrupting existing access authorized personnel.

    All personnel read into the operation would be permanent security risks. They might leak information or even become witnesses for the prosecution under some circumstances.

    All of this is unavoidable. Intel and special ops guys aren’t real ghosts backed up by real sorcerers with real magic powers. They have the usual limitations; it’s just that they also have the near-magic of exfiltration. Unlike criminals, if they can get back to home base, they’re really free, and they even have some hope of being freed after capture.

    You can see that this would be a significant operation. Even for the managers, God bless (or whatever) them because of possible blowback. The operation is feasible if enough money is spent, but it is very risky for all involved personnel (including E, of course).

    It would be impossible to believe that such an operation could have been risked if it weren’t obvious that it was.. Even the Kennedy assassinations were less risky than an operation like this — no “lone gunman” cutout here [1], too many people involved.

    The only way the USG could recover from this in the public eye would be a thorough investigation of the act _and_ of E’s affairs, with subsequent prosecution of everybody involved in criminal acts. After 911, the Clinton e-mails, the Russia/Trump accusation, and the de facto “open borders”, and most of all the #MeToo campaign, this “suicide” is a step into the abyss [2]. We’re not quite falling yet, but as a first step they should treat the lockup as a crime scene. Everybody out. Investigation by a separate agency (uncorrupted if one can be found). Convincing evidence, trials, convictions, serious reform starting with the prison system and continuing to civil service in all Federal agencies.

    But that’s not going to happen, and we’ll start falling. The loss of legitimacy is going to hasten the society wide reorganization by years. I hate reorganizations, always messy, brute force and massive ignorance (BFMI), plus this time I and my dependents and descendents are likely to be hit by the splatter, but, well, when nothing else works, reorg and hope. Pray a lot too, it might help when you get to Heaven.

    In related news, anybody notice that downtown San Francisco was described yesterday as a health hazard greater than that of any known third world slum? [3] It’s not as if the USG on any level is doing much to prop up its legitimacy and worth to the average citizen. This looks like a classic “third generation of the revolution throws it all away” situation, the revolution in this case having been Wilson, FDR, JFK/LBJ and the World Wars.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Even if you assume the Oswald killed JFK and Ruby acted on his own, Oswald was still inspired by at least Castro’s government, and functioned as a cutout even if the plan was for Oswald to get away. The more complex scenarios, of course, treat Oswald as a cutout and nothing more.

    2] Famous misquote: Russian chief of state during perestroika. “Last year we stood on the brink of an abyss, but _this_ year we have taken a giant stride forward!” And now the US political class has done the same thing.

    3] https://newspunch.com/san-francisco-filthiest-slums/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html

  280. @Mr. Anon

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.
     
    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I'm just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: "That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I'll beat him up and take his cigarettes."

    Yes it’s true pedophiles get beat up in prison. I think it because the prisoners want to feel morally superior in some way. Also because there’s nothing to do in prison, and it seems to me that prisoners recreate this bizzare culture of what they see in television and movies because they have nothing better to do. So they form racial gangs and barter honey buns for cigarettes and kick newbies asses. Talking to them I also get the sense that half of what they say isn’t true, they’re just embellishing the few things that did happen because mostly nothing happened. Telling badass prison stories is cooler than admitting that you’re a looser who spent two years of his life locked up doing nothing. The one thing they all agree on is that nobody gets raped in the shower.

  281. @Prof. Woland
    One of the interesting revelations to come out recently is that Zorro Trust, the entity that owns Epstein's New Mexico ranch won an $85,000,000 lottery in 2008.

    https://medium.com/@nathanielhebert/did-jeffrey-epstein-win-the-oklahoma-powerball-lottery-july-2-2008-d23d2b0933e5

    The winning ticket was sold at a convenience store in Altus, Oklahoma, hardly a place where someone like Epstein would be hobnobbing. If true, it either means the man was incredibly lucky (although I think his luck has run out) or the game was fixed. My guess is that it is the latter. At any rate, I hope that Barr gets to the bottom of this.

    Amazing. Utterly amazing.

    Epstein must be the luckiest man in the universe.

  282. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.
     
    I hear this a lot. But is it really true? Honestly, I'm just not buying the notion that hardened criminals have such a strong sense of justice. In any event, the crimes Epstein was accused of was having sexual relations (perhaps coercive or semi-coercive) with young teen-aged girls. Probably a lot of guys in prison have done the same thing and bragged about it often.

    If there is some truth to the trope about pedophiles getting beat-up and/or murdered in prison, I tend to think it has less to do with some kind of noble prison honor-code, and more to do with thinking along the lines of: "That guy victimized kids? He must be a p**sy. Maybe I'll beat him up and take his cigarettes."

    Having spent time myself in prison, I can state that it’s categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn’t have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered “bad” however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called “chomos” and “Chesters”.

    Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    OK, but what about pimps? Are they victimized in prison?
    , @Gordo
    I talked with this guy I worked with once who was an ex prison officer, in England. He didn't want the 'nonces' beaten up, not because he had sympathy with them but because it was lots of paperwork if it happened.

    He dug out the complete records of those who we doing the beating and most had previous for some form or other of sex crime. He said he showed them this and told them he might leave the papers lying around if they caused any trouble.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    I wonder how this works with regard to interracial rape. For example I have a difficult time believing black guys go out of their way to beat another black inmate for raping a white woman.
  283. @JimB
    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    We have definitely fallen through the looking glass. Can we even take the report that he is dead at face value?

    Here’s a story for you:
    After Lenin died, Lenin’s widow came to Stalin during the succession crisis and said “My husband opposed you, and I will too”. Stalin said: “My people control the press. If you oppose me, even within the Party, I will get a new Lenin’s widow. We will tell the public and the Party that Lenin secretly hated you, and divorced you years ago. He said nothing of this to save the Party embarrassment. Lenin also secretly remarried, and his secret wife is Lenin’s real widow. You are not, you are a discarded woman who hurt Lenin. However, if you do not oppose me, you can continue in your comfortable life.”

    The story is told to show how deep (and easy) the deception by government can be. The USSR finally ended when the general public stop believing _anything_ their government said. Rather like the inhabitants of San Francisco or Paris having a hard time now believing they live in one of the world’s most beautiful cities. [1]

    “And a tidal wave is rising
    as we dance along the beach,
    sneering at our own reflections
    laughing at our shudder shapes.”
    from “Serpent’s Reach”, search youtube.com

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3461396/San-Francisco-declares-homeless-tent-city-health-hazard.html
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign-slums-12627779.php
    “Paris – Then and the Slum it is Now”

    • Replies: @DaveE
    Yes. Whether Epstein was suicided or is now hanging out by a swimming pool in Tel Aviv is almost trivial and irrelevant. He is silenced and that's all that matters to the zionist "Mafia".

    But this incident exposes, to the dumbest rube or Evangelical Christian, just how ENORMOUS this ethnic mafia truly is.

    Prison management, the ambulance company management, hospital management, the press local and non-local...... they're ALL in on it. Whatever "it" is. (Sorry to sound like Bill Clinton......)

    The zionists are EVERYWHERE Epstein wanted to be. And didn't want to be. They just EVERYWHERE.
  284. @Lot
    Maybe it was a conspiracy.

    Maybe a 68 year old used to a life of extreme luxury facing life in prison for child molestation killed himself.

    He was in a federal jail. He was charged by the feds. If they wanted to kill him, seems easier to do so without the publicity of first charging him.

    The list of the accused is pretty unimpressive. Dersh, Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, and George Mitchell. Two have been out of power for 20 years, the other two never had any.

    The list of people who took a free ride on the private jet is more impressive, but that doesn’t mean much.

    You really are a disgusting person.

  285. @Anonymous
    Maybe they hanged the shark.

    EVERYONE is now in conspiracy theory territory.

    https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1160256428445229058

    Anybody notice when “conspiracy theory” became synonymous with “truth”.

    Otto von Bismark supposedly commented, at one point, “Never believe any rumor you may hear until it has been officially denied.” [1] It’s an old idea, but it was always half joke before.
    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/08/07/believe/

  286. @Cagey Beast
    If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don't have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don't give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I'd say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

    If Epstein was killed it would have been by a group of people who don’t have to live in the USA. It would have been done by people who don’t give a damn about burning bridges or getting an FBI raid at 4 AM when their co-conspirators go bad. I’d say it was the Mossad but thinking in those nation-state terms is probably laughably old fashioned.

    Whoever it was, the mission was so very risky that it would only have been approved if the damage from a live Epstein would have had to exceed the damage from a blown mission cover. And that’s saying something.

    Counterinsurgency

  287. None of the ever-changing lies about his so-called suicide are being accepted, as people aren’t quite as stupid as the Elites assume.
    So maybe “they” will announce autopsy results conclude it wasn’t due to hanging but instead simply a natural cause such a stroke or heart attack.
    Or, because Epstein was a known sex pig, “they” might say, he he did hang himself but it was accidental death due to auto erotica.
    That is if the corpse is even Epstein, at this point, I believe NOTHING “they” say.
    Who knows, maybe he’s alive and well and having an orgy somewhere tropical.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    The pictures look like a dead Epstein who hanged himself.
  288. @AnotherDad

    Thoughts?
     
    Assuming TPTB didn't kill him, i'd say Epstein realized for all his financial success, he'd wasted his life.

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy. He could have lived a meaningful life--committed to his tribe, made aliyah, found a nice girl, raised a family, been part of Israel's lineage and future or thrown in with America, found a girl and done the same here. But to Epstein, America was nothing but a marketplace--for him to peddle whatever he could sell--and his legacy is as transient and empty. He heeded the siren call of the dark side and so got his just deserts.

    But the sad fact is that in the modern West under minoritarianism so many normal people waste their lives as well. Minoritarianism breaks the bonds of neighborhood and nation, history and heritage. It corrodes culture and casts people adrift without connection. It's step-sister feminism tells impressionable women deep lies and destroy lives. It's bitter fruit is spinsterhood, childlessness, missing children, damaged families, divorce and death.

    Epstein is the personification of a truth. A nation reduced to being a marketplace is nothing at all---a suicidal path to emptiness, despair and death.

    Another Dad wrote:

    Epstein was obviously a talented guy.

    Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and have no discernible talents or skills.

    I mean, aside from being a pimp. But, you can’t get that rich just being a pimp to the elites, can you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    Epstein was obviously a talented guy.
     
    Was he? Even the MSM has been speculating recently as to where his money came from, given that he seemed to do nothing and have no discernible talents or skills.
     
    Clarification--for you, Alden, anyone else: I'm not particularly up to speed on the whole Epstein story. Don't know anything about his background. But when i wrote "talented", i'm certainly not saying the guy was going to give us a breakthrough battery technology or help develop the thorium cycle.

    My take is that the skills to be pimp to movers and shakers, and run an operation like this Lolita express to the Caribbean are not unlike those for selling cars or real estate or medical devices, or being a drug rep, or a lobbyist, or hawking financial investments, etc. etc. etc. I.e. a schmoozer. As a grandson of the soil, i tend to have a low opinion of the middle man types. My default thought is "parasite." But there's no doubt the sales guys can make a decent living in America. Enough to afford a wife, some kids, the four bedroom house (in a neighborhood with 'good schools'). He could have been organizing the local little league and been "a pillar of the community". Most importantly a father, with a family, a legacy, a stake in the future. But he chose the dark side ... and lo and behold at 60 something realizes his life is a big zero.
  289. @anon
    Having spent time myself in prison, I can state that it's categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn't have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered "bad" however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called "chomos" and "Chesters".

    Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.

    OK, but what about pimps? Are they victimized in prison?

    • Replies: @anon
    No, being a pimp of non-underage girls wouldn't be an issue to my knowledge. I didn't know anyone actually incarcerated for that offence, but there were plenty of people who bragged about being pimps. Rape of a woman of any age or anything involving kids would be an issue, though. Epstein would have been targeted if he was in general population anywhere, even without the notoriety effect. I saw people get rolled out for statutory rape with a 16 year old. Most of the other prisoners probably would have slept with the 16 year old in similar circumstances, but that doesn't matter. "Chomos and rapos get smashed" is simply the law of the land.
    , @Alden
    They seldom go to prison
  290. @Lagertha
    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.

    The Jewish coalitions have always been spectacularly bad strategists, although quite good at tactics. That bit about rebelling when Trajan took the a striking force of legions into Mesopotamia, AD 195, for example. Quite predictably, Trajan took the striking force _out_ of Mesopotamian and defeated the rebellion, which had killed a very large number of Roman citizens. Trajan was unhappy about this, as were his successors. The only real result was that much later Mesopotamia became an effective enemy of Rome instead of one of its provinces, and this enabled the Moslem conquest of the southern shore of the Mediterranean by a force far more hostile to Judaism than Rome.

    And that’s typical. The present foul-up is nothing new.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    AD 195

    Wasn't Trajan about 80 years earlier?

    , @Uilleam Yr Alban
    The organizing principle of highly identified Jewish actors is fear. Fear underlies every hatred.

    Peoples who are afraid can be very effective in the short term due to their ferocity. If they can't rein it in over the long term, they anger their allies and have to face their chosen opponents, and experience a backlash just as ferocious as they are.
  291. @Pericles

    Long live Ed Snowden!

     

    Because he's not in federal custody.

    Once again: it’s all the Russians’ fault that he is not!

    Also, Nabokov – another Russian! – wrote Lolita, which doubtless inspired many of the debauched people involved with Epstein.

    And Clinton famously enjoyed “big titties,” which, of course, facilitate so-called Russian sex.

    And Clinton was pudgy, doubtless a fan of Reuben sandwiches (we know he liked meaty, Jewish offerings), so there’s also a connection to Russian dressing.

    In fact, I’m pretty sure the Russians cause traffic to be so bad during rush hour.

    The Russians broke up Guns ‘n’ Roses, killed Jimmy Hoffa, greenlighted The Real World, created the human immunodeficiency virus, gave Kesha a recording contract. They must be stopped!

  292. @Charles
    Ibound1, my disagreement of your statement is that you imply the USA "political/media/everything else" structure is incompetent, stupid, or ineffectual. Just the opposite is true. The controllers of power and money in this country know - and generally get - what they want. The election of Trump was something of a monkey-wrench, but that was the last spasm of a people who will relatively soon have to decide to either fight (by "fight", I don't mean voting in another pointless election)...or die.

    The controllers of power and money in this country know – and generally get – what they want.

    That’s because they don’t want much. They want (a) graft money and (b) revenge against any challengers (which can mean white people, but can also mean anybody they don’t like [1].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hamblin

  293. @Jonathan Mason

    It’s my feeling that Epstein killed himself even though he should have been on suicide watch and he was not on suicide watch due to bureaucratic incompetence.
     
    You and I quite often see the world in the same way, but many of the others who post comments here have a different weltanschauung. All I can say is that it is interesting to get different perspectives and learn how other people think and all opinions are welcome, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.

    ‘even if they are diametrically opposed to mine.’

    The entire population of UNZ.

  294. @hhsiii
    Pedophiles are pariahs in jail. Often murdered.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Eyes_(film)

    I agree Epstein wouldn’t seemingly have much sense of shame. Likely a hit. Duh.

    For the love of God will you – and all the other fools bandying about the term pedophile and its variants – purchase a dictionary?

    Jeffrey Epstein was not a pedophile!

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @Alden
    Thank you thank you thank you thank you

    I thought I was the only one around here who knew the definition of pedophilia.
    , @anon
    Pedophilia, while sick, isn't even against the law.
    Somewhere along the way, the MSM memoryholed the term Pederast, and substituted Pedophile.
    Was Epstein a pederast?
    I's say probably, though he's never been charged over it.
  295. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    "In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan."

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go -- there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:


    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.
     
    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for "child sacrifice", in that case you're talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you're talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

    ‘This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go — there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, ‘

    Judaism’s strange gods Michael Hoffman. Look up the shikekahn. Look up the Cabbalah. Both the regular legal (talmud) and mystical spiritual sides of Judaiam are rife-and I do mean rife-with satanism.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Judaism’s strange gods Michael Hoffman. Look up the shikekahn. Look up the Cabbalah. Both the regular legal (talmud) and mystical spiritual sides of Judaiam are rife-and I do mean rife-with satanism."

    Look up Etiene Gibourg -- as I've already noted, that case alone involved the corpses of 2,500 infants. Look up Satanism and Witchcraft by Jules Michelet. Look up H. T. F. Rhodes' The Satanic Mass. All these have definite links to Christian rituals and practices.

    In other words, if we follow your line of reasoning, we can build a similar case to the effect that European Christianity is itself "rife with satanism" and has a blood trail that includes thousands of victims, many of them mere babies. And why stop there? Let's amplify all that with sheer nonsense about Satanic ritual abuse, as was evidenced in the McMartin preschool trials and claim that all that continues to this day. Where does that leave us? Do you honestly not see any problems with that kind of thinking?

  296. @JohnnyWalker123
    Donald Trump just blamed the Clintons for Epstein's death.

    Trump retweeted this.

    https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1160256105399967744

    That only shows he has zero control over the secret state.

  297. @HA
    "In one of his articles, Ron Unz claimed that SOME Jews did indeed historically practice child sacrifice and worship Satan."

    This seems to be a thing with you, but really, you need to let it go -- there is no Satan-worship in Judaism. Unz was referencing Shahak’s Jewish History, which pointed out that some Jewish superstitions (including “evil eye” imprecations and such) involve attempts to propitiate Satan, or more accurately, to trick him. Here is Shahak’s actual phrasing:


    Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced. This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious.
     
    It’s wrong to characterize this as “worship” of Satan. Maybe some non-religious Jews decided at some point to flip these rituals around into Satan worship, but the same could be said of Christians who came up with Black masses and so forth. Are you going to claim that Christians have historically been practitioners of Satan worship as well?

    As for "child sacrifice", in that case you're talking about Ariel Toaff’s book on the so-called Blood Libel, which Unz also brought up. That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood, which makes that accusation much more plausible than was previously claimed. But you're talking one or two cases over the course of 2,000 years. Trying to make hay out of that would be like citing Jeffrey Dahmer as proof that Christians have historically been known to practice cannibalism. Would you regard that as a fair claim? In fact, Toaff took pains to point out that these Rhineland Jews who were the focus of the trial were regarded as weirdos even by other Jews, esp. the Italian ones who had a far more convivial relationship with gentiles. (Toaff did postulate that blood libel fears among medieval Christians may have actually stemmed from the much more realistic fears of children or adults being abducted by Jewish or Jew-affiliated slave traders and shipped off to slave markets in Crimea or Istanbul, and Jews were indeed major players in that trade, and that is indeed a topic that deserves more attention for those trying to understand why Jews were feared and hated, but that’s another matter.)

    Obviously, Unz is free to correct my take, but in his absence, perhaps this will do.

    ‘That book did concede that the records one of the most notorious blood libel trials (Simon of Trent) do contain actual references to Jewish rituals regarding blood,’

    The book (written by the son of the former cheif rabbi of Rome) conceded that the most famous blood libel trials were fair and that the suspects revealed details only the killers would know. In other words the blood libel is real.

    Try harder.

    • Replies: @HA
    "The book (written by the son of the former cheif rabbi of Rome) conceded that the most famous blood libel trials were fair and that the suspects revealed details only the killers would know."

    Yeah, Ariel Toaff said one or two of the blood libel cases (in particular, the Simon of Trent case I myself mentioned) might indeed have more to them than is commonly accepted, and that is what Unz made reference to in his writeup of the book. I have no particular problem with Toaff. But everything in that book still amounts to just a handful of cases, involving groups that even other Jews regarded as weird and freakish, and over the course of the centuries they have been amplified by numerous others that even Toaff notes are sheer fabrications (albeit perhaps grounded in much more legitimate fears of having children get swiped by Tatar raiders and their Jewish collaborators). In other words, it's still thin gruel.

    Indeed, consider the fact that the Etienne Guiborg black masses at Versailles involved a mass grave of 2,500 dead infants. And that was just one case. How about on top of that we throw in the Satanic ritual child abuse claims of the 80's and 90's against the McMartin family and others as further "justification" that Christians and their "death cult" are heinously complicit in ritual murders of children over the course of 2,000 years? You don't see any problem with that kind of reasoning, or see some complications as to where that kind of thinking might lead? I do. If you can't, that says more about you than I ever could.

  298. @Alden
    I didn’t make one reference to Ron’s article I referred to St Hugo and the 1850s Syrian monk neither of whom Ron mentioned . I didn’t write a word about Epstein or raping school girls either I didn’t write about the Torah or that Epstein studies Torah and rapes school girls. I didn’t write the words Epstein, Torah rape sex school girl Philip Roth Freud Rothschild’s strangely decorated 1960’s party eyes wide shut movie or anything you claim I said.

    Either you made it all up and thought I’d believe your lies about your post or you’re so deranged you believe your own lies about my post. Or you need to lay off the drugs and or alcohol.

    Read my post 237 if you ever sober up.

    FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.

    On second thoughts, you’re Wizard of OZ. Same blatant falsehoods same insane arrogance that I’ll believe your lies about what I just wrote.

    ‘FYI, Jewish defensive ness about terrible crimes and over the top attacks on people who talk about those crimes doesn’t stop anti Semitism Just makes it worse.’

    To me its a sure sign they are guilty. Smoke. Fire.

  299. @Peterike
    “Yeah, common sense, pedos in jail have an extremely high rate of suicide”

    There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Epstein’s personality that would suggest suicidal behavior. Like Jack D, certain things just bring out the Jew in you, and Epstein is one of them. You’re trying to cover for him for ethnic nepotism reasons, and it’s so deeply felt you don’t even understand it yourself, but it’s utterly obvious to those outside you.

    Yeah it’s totally weird that the subset of Jews and part-Jews who comment on alt-right blogs would be disproportionately composed of contrarians who like to argue with people.

  300. @RadicalCenter
    Yep, and the feds also have jurisdiction over military bases, as well as federal parkland and national forests, which is quite a bit of land in some of Western and Mountain States especially.

    For example, the fed gov sometimes prosecutes people who get caught with marijuana in a federal park even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    …even if marijuana is completely legal in the surrounding State.

    Marihuana is completely* illegal in every state – by dint of federal statute. Just as counterfeiting, piracy, and smuggling are; this was all settled, at great loss of blood, tears, and treasure, in 1865.

    *There are some vanishingly inconsequential exceptions, such as the allowance for legitimate scientific research in the facility at the University of Mississippi.

  301. @Cagey Beast
    The rest of us little people (six figure income and below) need to recognise the gods are at war. Keep your heads down and weed your own gardens. We've got hot Jew-on-Jew action in the imperial metropole.

    The story that I find interesting is the Steve Ross fundraiser scandal. I try to analyse American power from afar, but isn’t he a serious mega-jew elite? His mentor/uncle was Max Fisher, who seemed to be the ‘most important jew in North America’ in the 50s and 60s. So Trump’s support is not just reliant on flyover MAGA territory. Elites in NYC seem to be at war with each other.

    Maybe one section of Jewish elites has finally noticed the appalling behaviour of their co-ethnics and are trying to get that under control before the whole thing collapses for the 110th time or whatever it is.

  302. Not being a reader of Wapo, I have to ask: when Epstein was found injured in his cell, did any article appearing in the pages of Wapo relate any details of this claim that :

    ” Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. ”

    The Wapo site doesn’t allow me to read the article linked in the tweet.

  303. @Alden
    I’m sorry, sorry, sorry, but pimps are just evil. More evil than rapists in some ways. That’s more than 2o years dealing with sex crimes speaking.

    And the money? 85 million winning lottery ticket? 20 million house in Manhattan. Private planes so he could take minors out of the country? His pimp partner the daughter of Maxwell the Mossad and KGB spy who stole the pension funds of dozens of companies. That’s just one of Maxwell’s financial crimes.

    Epstein’s money came from Wexler. He owned an investment company but he never did any buying selling trades anything. NYC financial folk gossiped about him for years about where his money cane from as his company did little investing had few clients or employees

    He didn’t even finish college. He was a 105 IQ White pimp and came to a bad end as most pimps do

    He…came to a bad end as most pimps do.

    (These did alright….)

  304. @Counterinsurgency

    because Jews need us desperately when the world becomes what they had thought they wanted. Instead, they will get lots of marginally educated non-white people who do not want anymore overlords over them. The Schadenfreude will be too late for anyone to gloat over.
     
    The Jewish coalitions have always been spectacularly bad strategists, although quite good at tactics. That bit about rebelling when Trajan took the a striking force of legions into Mesopotamia, AD 195, for example. Quite predictably, Trajan took the striking force _out_ of Mesopotamian and defeated the rebellion, which had killed a very large number of Roman citizens. Trajan was unhappy about this, as were his successors. The only real result was that much later Mesopotamia became an effective enemy of Rome instead of one of its provinces, and this enabled the Moslem conquest of the southern shore of the Mediterranean by a force far more hostile to Judaism than Rome.

    And that's typical. The present foul-up is nothing new.

    Counterinsurgency

    AD 195

    Wasn’t Trajan about 80 years earlier?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    so love you! I so hope your wife is well....along with your sons.
  305. @anon
    Having spent time myself in prison, I can state that it's categorically true that almost any kind of sex offender is a pariah whose safety is in danger at any regular prison. As soon as you arrive at a facility someone from your race will enter your cell and demand to see your official court papers. Just about any charge is fine as long as it doesn't have to do with sex or children. One cellmate I had had shot his step-father in the head execution-style, which was considered perfectly acceptable. If your charges are considered "bad" however, you will almost certainly be beaten on the spot and forced out of the unit. Many, probably most, states have separate facilities dedicated to housing sex offenders because it is too difficult to keep them safe in any other setting. They are called "chomos" and "Chesters".

    Why do prisoners do this? I think it probably comes down mostly to two things. One, many prisoners themselves were abused as children and genuinely hate abusers. Two, the entire world looks down on felons as beneath contempt, yet this is one group they get to look down upon in the same way. Nobody wants to feel as if they are at the very bottom of the social hierarchy.

    I talked with this guy I worked with once who was an ex prison officer, in England. He didn’t want the ‘nonces’ beaten up, not because he had sympathy with them but because it was lots of paperwork if it happened.

    He dug out the complete records of those who we doing the beating and most had previous for some form or other of sex crime. He said he showed them this and told them he might leave the papers lying around if they caused any trouble.

  306. @Kronos
    “According to flight logs, former President Bill Clinton flew on the "Lolita Express" a total of 27 times. "Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not," according to investigative journalist Conchita Sarnoff - who first revealed the former president's extensive flights on Epstein's "lolita express" in a 2010 Daily Beast exposé.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-apparent-suicide

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US. I don’t know who the Clintons use but they’re first rate for sure. Ninja Assassins maybe?

    https://youtu.be/Gim3Jb8XsLM

    He was a dead man once he came back to the US.

    So why did he come back?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    That’s the golden question. He was getting away with this crazy stuff for years. Maybe he didn’t save up enough resources to wait out the Trump Administration? (He likely freaked out when Hillary lost.) There was nothing to really fear from a Obama and Hillary Administration. But after Trump, maybe he couldn’t easily create separate accounts that couldn’t be frozen by US authorities? I can’t imagine being SWIFT slapped by the Treasury Dept. is really fun (ask Iran.) But like many, I can’t believe he was a REAL billionaire. (Maybe 100 million tops?)
  307. @Helo
    Jack -

    The only major problem with that theory is that many here were openly asserting that epstein would be dead before trial...and here we are.

    You're looking for dishonest people to declare their dishonesty. Admirable - I wish we lived in that country. But we live in 2019 America. Not America 1941.

    Look, you didn’t have to be Nostradamus to guess that Epstein might kill himself (or “kill himself”). The question is why something that was so obvious to everyone else was not obvious to the Bureau of Prisons. I’d be skeptical too, but something not dissimilar happened to Whitey Bulger. In his case, the answer was not even bureaucratic incompetence but that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee, so the system decided to take revenge on him.

    The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane and petty.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    that Bulger had threatened a BoP employee
     
    An 89 year old guy in a wheelchair threatened a BoP employee so bad they had him killed? Really!
    , @HEL

    The point is that the priorities of everyone else in America, possibly up to and including the POTUS and the priorities of the lower reaches of the bureaucracy, the actual boots on the ground who had custody of Epstein, are not the same thing and it is the latter that really counts. And these priorities are not necessarily grand and conspiratorial – they can be mundane and petty.
     
    This. Most people here are acting as if this prison was some sort of elite, specially-formed project designed for the sole purpose of keeping Jeffrey Epstein, verified MOST IMPORTANT PRISONER IN THE WORLD, alive until trial. When in actuality I'm pretty sure it's just another prison, and Epstein was mostly just another prisoner. One who probably actually warranted less attention than most, as he was just an old man sitting by himself in his own cell.

    I'm open to possibilities. But I'm gonna need actual evidence, not mere innuendo.
  308. @J.Ross
    I am not a believer in conspiracy theories.

    Yes you are, you defend your own and decry ones you don't like, as does everybody else, which is why that term is so dishonest when not used neutrally. Jack, there was an earthquake (this is the official story, now), in the Caribbean, which caused a fire that destroyed whatever evidence might have existed, of whatever happened on Epstein's island, at the same time that he was allowed by guards to commit the first suicide at that prison. There's absolutely nothing speculative or silly in saying that this stinks to high heaven.

    I would agree. I resist conspiracy theories, too, in favor of the simplest, most obvious explanations (buying into conspiracy theories strikes me as a childish indulgence), but this earthquake and fire that just happens to destroy evidence on Epstein’s island the night before he dies (assuming this actually occurred) is a little too coincidental not to consider some sort of outside involvement by some very powerful players.

  309. @Ibound1
    I believe Oswald killed JFK and Al Qaeda committed 9/11. And I said on this site weeks ago, I could believe that Epstein would be “suicided”. I told my wife, a scoffer, that he would never leave that cell alive. I don’t know if I believed it when I said it.

    And even if he did really commit suicide, it just shows what a third world sh*t hole we are. The most high profile prisoner in the country, in a federal jail, in our largest city, on “suicide watch” commits suicide? At best - at best - we are beyond pathetic.

    Either way I have less trust in our institutions than ever before.

    I generally sneer at conspiracy theories… but this situation is sure giving me pause…

  310. @Canadian Observer
    Killing Epstein means that instead of having their day of vindication in criminal court and potentially embarrassing some very important people, the focus instead will now be on the victims targeting Epstein’s estate in civil suits.

    The victims will be placated with the prospect of oodles of cash in exchange for signing releases. The story itself will whither and die.

    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    Btw, think Hollywood will make a movie out of this?

    Yes, with blonde white male airline pilots as the evil pedos.

  311. @Cagey Beast
    This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. I might like to think of myself as clever but I bet I have no clue just how bad it really is.

    “This is the historical moment when the politically engaged slice of society gets a sense of just how rigged the game really is. ”

    This is also a time when those watching might get a glimpse of just how desperate and incompetent the players are. Obviously, these people aren’t omnipotent nor are they even that intelligent. There’s massive stupidity on display in this little sideshow.

  312. @Alden
    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch
    And who knows it might be a report by an affirmative action moron psych tech the psychiatrist relies on. IF, and its a big if, the affirmative action moron can write a coherent end of third grade sentence

    It’s a psychiatrist , not a prison watch commander or whatever they call them in NYC.
    That usually determines suicide watch.

    Right. And a suicide watch is expensive because you have to have a guard doing nothing else but keep Epstein in his sight.

    This looks very bad, but it could simply be incompetence.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Right. And a suicide watch is expensive because you have to have a guard doing nothing else but keep Epstein in his sight.
     
    A whole extra guard? Plus overtime? And merely for the highest-profile prisoner that the MCC was likely to hold this entire year? A phenomenal expense - an extravagance! Yeah, there is no way the Federal Government could make that stretch.
  313. @Mr. Anon

    psychopaths do not kill themselves…never crosses their mind.
     
    Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Kemper, David Berkowitz, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson - all of them did worse things than Epstein is accused of doing. Pretty shameful things too - to anybody who has a sense of shame - murder, cannibalism, necrophilia. And yet, none of them ever tried to commit suicide. They all clung to life until it was taken from them, if they are not still alive.

    I don't think Epstein had a single milliliter of shame in him. If he did, he wouldn't have lived his life the way he did.

    I'm with you - his suicide doesn't compute.

    I think it’s more likely than not that he committed suicide (although the circumstances — especially the fire on the island, certainly points to the possibility of “assisted suicide”). More than a few Jews are brilliant but mad as a March hare (think Weinstein or Belfort, just to name two off the top of my head). I personally know of another in the city where I live — a brilliant doctor and successful novelist who, one day, decided to hang himself in the closet for his wife to discover.

  314. @bartolo1
    "E.g., the time of ‘suicide’ to the time of the next Tucker Carlson live broadcast:circa 65 hours – a very long time in the current media environment."

    Not so. After declaring "White Supremacy" a hoax, Tucker decided to go on "vacation" fly fishing to be exact.

    It is a pattern at Fox.

    Painful watching how little they get away with, while other pundits elsewhere are allowed free reign.

    After declaring “White Supremacy” a hoax, Tucker decided to go on “vacation” fly fishing to be exact.

    This is exactly what happened during the Valentine’s Day massacre immigration cave-in of 2019. It aligned very precisely with Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham being sent off on vacations:

    [MORE]

    [February 15, 2019 at 3:50 pm GMT • 200 Words]

    Hail says:

    Is Tucker Carlson compromised? (Say it ain’t so.)

    Sean Hannity (more expected)?

    Laura Ingraham?

    These three know they have a direct line to the President via their evening broadcasts, and not one of them called for a veto to this terrible bill on their evening broadcasts.

    Because of the Valetine’s Day to Presidents Day “holiday weekend,” Tucker was airing pretaped, phoned-in, totally irrelevant coverage of a bunch of nothing. It had the air of something like a hostage video. Or reminiscent of what TV stations must air when military coups occur — all anodyne coverage unrelated to the coup.

    On Ingraham’s show, she herself, though against the bill, was a no-show — there was a guest host. Ingraham briefly called in from her v