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From an interview with music producer Brian Eno a couple of decades ago:

I’ve been thinking about the word “propaganda.” I came up with another word a few years ago, which is “prop-agenda.” Propaganda is easy to detect and defend against because we recognize it. Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.

Obama’s second term was flooded with prop-agenda, such as the government-media huzzah over “rape on campus” that eventually overstepped with the Haven Monahan UVA hoax.

It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

 
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  1. Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    , @Kim
    @AndrewR

    Wikipedia provides a convenient period-organized list of historians throughout history.

    I checked under "Born in the 20th C", but - strangely - there is no entry for Irving, David.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historians

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  2. Remember right after Biden was inaugurated we got ‘UFO’s are real!‘ from the government?

    It didn’t really fly — but the intention was clear.

  3. most historians are in on it.

    almost every wonky adult is in on it. participating in the leftist takeover of everything is THE career path for the mediocre wonk class now.

    conversely, the actually productive white collar people and blue collar people with real jobs who do stuff are mostly too busy to engage this topic or get involved with this stuff, so it falls to the moderately productive noticer people like the posters here to even do any analytic work on the subject.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

  4. Eno’s neologism is good, but I’m more interested in what Mr. Sailer thinks about the thinking in the consulting firm he linked us to.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Eno’s neologism is good, but I’m more interested in what Mr. Sailer thinks about the thinking in the consulting firm he linked us to.

    Good point. Here's Natural Logic Inc's founder and CEO, Gil Friend:

    https://natlogic.com/about-us/gil-friend/

    Gil Friend, the founder, chair, and CEO of Natural Logic Inc, and Critical Path Capital, advises leading companies, communities, and investors on "value-driving sustainability strategies."

    Hmmmm.

    Lives in the San Francisco area, is a big advocate of achieving True Weather Stasis by any means necessary, close to Newsom and Jerry Brown, and has some... interesting physiognomy.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CMjvfjFq/Gil-Friend-Natural-Logic.jpg

    There's a Gil Friend in the Bay Area whose father Chaim was heavily involved in running guns to the semitic supremacist settler-colonialists in Palestine back in the day. Probably just a coincidence.

    https://jweekly.com/2007/05/29/israel-medal-winner-gunrunner-dies-at-87/

  5. crushing it https://twitter.com/parallaxraptus/status/1600853666759692288

    the people demand more stevesthetics

  6. • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Who?

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    And people like Goya are the least talented practitioners of the arts because babies draw.

    I assume the bald clown is some sort of American.

  7. Prop-agenda = Prep a gonad– Dong appear!

    Beware the Enotic prop-agenda
    designed to induce incredenda:
    “Negroes are numinous!”
    Dongs, though, are luminous.
    Soon, one will be ’round your hacienda.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should see someone about this.

  8. I call it “Squirrelism”- as in the Government sending out a coordinated team to say, “Look a squirrel!!!!!!” whenever the people start noticing the uncomfortable facts.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous

    I'll use that nice term squirrelism, because it made me laugh in the morning! - Beautiful morning this morning around here in southern Germany. Quiet. First snow.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  9. @AndrewR
    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kim

    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.

    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? “May you live in interesting times” was meant as a curse.

    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the “Stevesthetic” Anonymous just below, and this appears:

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot...

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, that is the demographic that is destroying the country. It's getting a lot of help from another demographic, same sex, same race, but older. They are all so proud to stand in solidarity with all the victims of all the isms.

    With little more than lots of self-righteous nagging and invariably supporting the wrong candidates, policies and laws, they have critically, perhaps fatally, weakened Western Civilization. No, I'm not exaggerating.

    Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    , @anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gotta hand it to those women - they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    , @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's simple. We just have to use sound equipment to make it seem that their cats are talking to them, and have their cats instruct them to not destroy the country.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar

    What ever happened to hair dos? Or even washing it from time to time. The hair, I mean.

    Replies: @fish

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of them appears to have a Chihuahua in her handbag.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Reg Cæsar

    I call this podcaster physiognomy. If you click through this list, you’ll see the women have the same kind of look. 5/10 attractiveness, ‘problem glasses’, and a facial expression seemingly designed by a committee. And the men are low testosterone.

    https://usesthis.com/categories/podcaster/

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Reg Cæsar

    The good ol' 19th Amendment!

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of the top comments is I haven’t seen that many threes since Steph Curry was in his prime.

    My thoughts exactly.

    , @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

    No, but the effort of Arthur Schlesinger Jr and his co-conspirators to sell the idea that Calvin Coolidge was about 3d from the bottom among American presidents looks exceptionally silly today.

    , @PeterIke
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

     

    To a great extent, yes. The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln, the perennial First Place winner in every poll. They still seem to give Washington props, but I suspect he will fade. Probably the second worst President, FDR, is routinely very high up as well. Past favorite, the worthless Woodrow Wilson, is dropping because racism, the new most important factor.

    The worthless piece of garbage Lyndon Johnson also tends to rank high, because black people. And any list that doesn't have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    , @Prester John
    @Reg Cæsar

    Should include some "Women of Color" but point taken just the same.

    , @Dmon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Along about the 25th of the month, the smell in that room would make even the toughest Samoan working for sub-minimum wage in Nancy Pelosi's tuna cannery pass out. Lucky thing a third of them look like trannies.

    , @megabar
    @Reg Cæsar

    > The demographic that is destroying this country

    If men are the superior defenders of a nation (as I believe), then it is the fault of men and not women when the country fails. Yes, our nation is set up to make it difficult for men to lead, but this doesn't change where the responsibility lies.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    Second from the left with the specs: Now we know what the carnal* child of Woody Allen and Barbara Streisand would look like.

    *I'll not defile the word love with what that event would reflect.

    , @Muggles
    @Reg Cæsar

    But, but... they're all mostly White!

    Well, one looks vaguely Asian.

    A couple of fellas in the far back. Tokens. Maybe one is hetero.

    I suspect the cat/children ratio is very high with this group. Say, 10 to 1?

    The Queen and her coven look quite happy. Someone must have told a "Take my husband...please!" joke.

    Those always get a huge grin from Nancy.

  10. Propaganda is easy to detect and defend against because we recognize it.

    Which is why much (if not most) cultural and political propaganda is now embedded in entertainment, where no one really thinks to look for it, and it may then work its wiles unencumbered.

    BTW, not long after 9/11, or during the early stages of the Iraq War, Eno wrote a spectacular opinion piece in London’s Independent where he lamented the insanity which seemed to have consumed the American body politic. It really enhanced my respect for the man.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @HammerJack


    Which is why much (if not most) cultural and political propaganda is now embedded in entertainment . . . .
     
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.
  11. Nowadays it is identity politics and the culture wars in order to keep real trade and immigration reform off the table.

    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Emblematic
    @Luke Lea

    That's my impression too. Drag Queen Story Hour for example seems like a tailor made provocation designed to trigger and disorientate the Right while distracting from other business. It blends unease with homosexuality with fears of child sexual exploitation (shades of Q anon) and uses up enormous amounts of energy on the Right. But say if Drag Queen Story Hour was banned from your local library. Would that help the Right in the wider battle for political power? Maybe it would, but I'm not so sure. Winning limited victories in the 'culture war' now seems like the allowable outlet for right-wing frustration while massive immigration keeps on coming and talk of economic nationalism has virtually disappeared.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  12. This is in the Guardian, not the Independent, but it gives the same flavor as the one I mentioned, and which I saved somewhere in hard copy. Smart guy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/aug/17/media.davidkelly

    • Thanks: JR Ewing
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @HammerJack

    He talks about "sensational intellectual dishonesty," but at the same time buys the global warming scam.

  13. @prime noticer
    most historians are in on it.

    almost every wonky adult is in on it. participating in the leftist takeover of everything is THE career path for the mediocre wonk class now.

    conversely, the actually productive white collar people and blue collar people with real jobs who do stuff are mostly too busy to engage this topic or get involved with this stuff, so it falls to the moderately productive noticer people like the posters here to even do any analytic work on the subject.

    Replies: @anonymous

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno’s music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads' biggest hit "Once in a Lifetime."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief, @Stan Adams, @Curle

    , @Bugg
    @anonymous

    Saw a documentary abotu U2 when I was still a fan. Showed that their process, if you could call it that, was to hash around some ideas with Eno and his staff, and then go the south of France or Ibiza and get drunk for a month while Eno and his staff ....wrote the songs? And then came back and ran through Eno's instructions. Left me with the impression while U2 may be competent musicians, they weren't really the authors of their work, closer to a boy band than The Who or Led Zeppelin.

    When I first heard Coldplay, thought it was U2. Low and behold, Eno produces them too. Looks very much like Eno likes being in the studio and making money, but realized he wasn't cut out to be a superstar on the road for the rest of his days. Worked out for U2 too. They own huge swaths of Dublin real estate along the Liffey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @slumber_j
    @anonymous

    Well, you don't know me probably, but I found myself just the other day thinking fondly of Ambient 1: Music for Airports. Anyway, he was also in Roxy Music, which ain't nothing, and he's produced a lot of really, really great records for other musicians. Like it or not, Brian Eno's work is not to be sniffed at.

    Replies: @Tom F., @MGB

    , @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    Whenever I feel old, I come here and instantly feel better. This site probably has the oldest median commenter age on the internet

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Dennis Dale
    @anonymous

    Why do you speak on things of which you are utterly ignorant?
    Honestly. You don't need to. Suffice it to say Eno's influence on popular music is impossible to quantify.
    Apparently you see a name you associate with the left/postmodernism and feel the need to signal your disdain for it. Who cares about the details?
    The result is embarrassing.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Right_On
    @anonymous

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno’s music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    I was expecting that to climax ". . . who was pretty good at manufacturing LSD".

  14. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    And fascinating, infuriating, terrifying.

  15. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot…

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    • Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The two blonde girls to the left of Pelosi. Yes.
    The girl with the glasses right behind Pelosi, " can I get some help here?!?"

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    nope
     
    Presumably, Pelosi married the gay guy so she wouldn't have to. OTOH, somebody got her pregnant five times.

    P.S. I think the one in green with the fashionably exaggerated glasses frames is the PBS slore who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope
     
    Nah. That would be a failure in your male programming to spread your seed.

    There's a smattering of noticeably ugly gals and no obvious "wow, she's cute!" girls, which gives the pic a quick overall unattractive vibe. But realistically, it's mostly a group of pretty average looking younger women.

    It's what's in their heads that's ugly.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This photo is a set-up, right? A random sample of youngish women is very unlikely to be all barkers. Maybe it's a social function at that one sorority every campus has where they park them?

  16. 60 minutes used to find a subject in a public setting who was refusing to be interviewed and ask them questions with the camera rolling. Ambush journalism. Made for great TV. Serious conservative journalists should do that. Find mainstream media figures in restaurants and ask them where they get their talking points from. Ask why no one is reporting news on the Paul Pelosi case. Do they really think Jan 6 was an insurrection? Is 5 years in prison an appropriate sentence for planning or even acting to disrupt a congressional proceeding?

    • Thanks: TWS
    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Steve Richter

    Were all the cats edited out of that picture?

    , @San Fernando Curt
    @Steve Richter

    January 6 has become public signal - so there's no doubt by *anyone - that official oppression of white people has begun.

  17. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Yes, that is the demographic that is destroying the country. It’s getting a lot of help from another demographic, same sex, same race, but older. They are all so proud to stand in solidarity with all the victims of all the isms.

    With little more than lots of self-righteous nagging and invariably supporting the wrong candidates, policies and laws, they have critically, perhaps fatally, weakened Western Civilization. No, I’m not exaggerating.

    Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, Kim
    • LOL: Polistra
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Kylie

    >same race
    Look at the pic again.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Mike Tre
    @Kylie

    "Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen? "

    Well at the time they may have been thinking they'd get laid more often.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  18. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot...

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The two blonde girls to the left of Pelosi. Yes.
    The girl with the glasses right behind Pelosi, ” can I get some help here?!?”

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @XBardon Kaldlan

    Not the one with the Groucho glasses and nose to Pelosis right?

  19. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Gotta hand it to those women – they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    Gotta hand it to those women – they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.
     
    There are "similar positions" for men?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @George o' da Jungle

    , @Guest007
    @anonymous

    women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. In pharmacy, the gap is statistically irrelevant along with much of healthcare. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours in jobs that working long hours pays more (think law) or men work in dangerous jobs in bad environments (think petroleum engineer).

    Replies: @megabar

  20. So Eno’s coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao’s dog’s peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao’s dog’s peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda (“propaganda” = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they’re still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT — Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman’s suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let’s give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There’s just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are “real” — the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn’t it winter, and wasn’t the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze — and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There’s further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @J.Ross

    Paragraphs MFer, can you use them?

    , @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    So Eno’s coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao’s dog’s peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao’s dog’s peppers.

    Point is, Eno was already on it twenty years ago, well before anyone heard of the 'Overton window'.

    , @ben tillman
    @J.Ross

    The Carolinas do freeze. Every inch of them.

    Even Hilton Head has an average of 17 freezes per year. (Average January low is 39.)

    https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/south_carolina/hilton_head_island

    Same for Charleston.

    , @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Every action that is a (possible) right wing action and which makes the right wing look bad gets denounced as a false flag attack here before the ink is even dry on the headline.

    Now of course, the Left does something similar - the Carolina attack was somehow assumed to be a right wing attack and tied to an LGBT show that happened to be going on at the same time, with zero evidence that there was any relationship at all. A LOT of things were going on at that hour. Maybe there was a church service going on somewhere too - a temporal relationship is extremely weak sauce.

    But all that calling "false flag" with zero evidence does is create an echo chamber of stupidity. How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation before denouncing right wingers and glowies and ecoterrorists based on nothing but jumping to conclusions. It only makes you look stupid later when your premature conclusions turn out to be completely wrong.

    If I had to guess right now who did it, I would guess "disgruntled employee" who is neither a left wing nor a right wing terrorist nor a glowie. But really it's way too soon to accuse anyone. Of course if the cops spend all their efforts pursuing supposed right wingers, then they may never catch the actual perp(s).

    Usually if you are a terrorist you want attention for your cause so you attack some media capital. No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there so my guess is that this is something that relates to a local grievance and they weren't thinking about the weather at all. This time of year in NC it goes down to 40F at night so you won't freeze to death but you won't be comfortable either.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @AnotherDad, @newrouter

    , @ATate
    @J.Ross

    > Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze — and neither does Oregon or Washington

    We average about 50” of snow a year. Just had the the 6th snowiest November in 141 years in eastern WA.

    It really is two very distinct regions in this state. We’re the racist meth side, please stay away.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    It’s simple. We just have to use sound equipment to make it seem that their cats are talking to them, and have their cats instruct them to not destroy the country.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    You can't be sure whose side the cats are on though. Peak Stupidity on "Robotic Feline Spyware - you can't be too paranoid.", as inspired by a conversation with my 10 y/o.

    Here's an iCat reporting back to the NSA:

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/post_2082A.jpg

    The other guy is cuddly but completely clueless.

  22. @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, that is the demographic that is destroying the country. It's getting a lot of help from another demographic, same sex, same race, but older. They are all so proud to stand in solidarity with all the victims of all the isms.

    With little more than lots of self-righteous nagging and invariably supporting the wrong candidates, policies and laws, they have critically, perhaps fatally, weakened Western Civilization. No, I'm not exaggerating.

    Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    >same race
    Look at the pic again.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @J.Ross

    ">same race
    Look at the pic again."

    Don't need to. They wouldn't be what Steve calls "nice white ladies" if they didn't reach out and include some of their dusky sisters. They only see color when they want to discuss victimhood and the evil of white men. As to why the others are willing to join a club that would have them, not every WoC aspires to be an ABW.

    These females are not really hard core seekers of world destruction (i.e. the capitalistic West) in the name of social justice (gibs to non-whites and other marginalized groups) . They haven't really thought that far ahead; indeed they haven't really thought. Their driving force is a pernicious blend of their flock mentality and their maternal instinct unmoored from the private sphere.

    When nice, white women want to lift up oppressed people, it's really just mothering in overdrive. They're smother mothers. They want to help needy people so they themselves feel needed rather than enabling the needy to become truly independent.. That's what makes them so determined, and also ensures that they will invariably get it wrong. Because what works, more or less, in a family dynamic is disastrous when translated into public policy. Even better for the younger, more selfish ones, they don't have to become mothers. They can just endlessly patronize non-whites and the marginalized and condemn white men, all in a very motherly way-- without ever having to change a diaper or worry about postpartum weight. Win/win!

    This is very generalized but overall, pretty accurate. It's all so personal for them. And the personal is so political. And so here we are. Thanks again, guys!

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @AnotherDad

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Anonymous


    In 2020, the Entomological Society of America voted to remove “gypsy moth” and “gypsy ant” from a list of common names used to refer to insects.
     
    Instead they will be known as the “thieving bastard moth” and “thieving bastard ant” .

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  24. @AndrewR
    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kim

    Wikipedia provides a convenient period-organized list of historians throughout history.

    I checked under “Born in the 20th C”, but – strangely – there is no entry for Irving, David.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historians

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Kim


    Wikipedia provides a convenient period-organized list of historians throughout history.

    I checked under “Born in the 20th C”, but – strangely – there is no entry for Irving, David.
     
    This is why I do 'more than ignore' during the periodic begging-popups that appear on Wikipedia.

    Every time I see one, I send the same e-mail to a group of Wikipedia email addresses from my favourite StartMail alias - GetFuckedYouCunts - before I add the relevant page element to my custom "Get Fucked" list in uBlock Origin.

    I know these seldom get read, but sometimes they do - and I've actually had a couple of responses.
  25. Brian Eno’s new word includes the soft power. And as such it hints at something that is old ideed – and has been noticed by many a historian: The Slogan that difines classical Rome: Panem & Circenses – – – A Livelihood & Entertainment (including the news show as part of the political entertainement /Goehte wrote about that stuff in Faust, not least in exposing the attractiveness of news about foreign wars as a welcome spice to brush up our socialising on holiday evenings).

  26. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    What ever happened to hair dos? Or even washing it from time to time. The hair, I mean.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Kim

    When you’re “saving” the world who has time?

  27. @Luke Lea
    Nowadays it is identity politics and the culture wars in order to keep real trade and immigration reform off the table.

    Replies: @Emblematic

    That’s my impression too. Drag Queen Story Hour for example seems like a tailor made provocation designed to trigger and disorientate the Right while distracting from other business. It blends unease with homosexuality with fears of child sexual exploitation (shades of Q anon) and uses up enormous amounts of energy on the Right. But say if Drag Queen Story Hour was banned from your local library. Would that help the Right in the wider battle for political power? Maybe it would, but I’m not so sure. Winning limited victories in the ‘culture war’ now seems like the allowable outlet for right-wing frustration while massive immigration keeps on coming and talk of economic nationalism has virtually disappeared.

    • Agree: J.Ross, BosTex, Alden
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Emblematic

    Didn't mean to agree, while it might be more noise than signal I think keeping your kids away from trannies (or retaining the absolute right to do so) is not noise.

  28. Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.

    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Wilkey

    Agree. But why stop at Iraq? The first bias of media is the choice of what not to discuss. Afghanistan, yes. Mexico, no. Russian collusion, yes. Immigration control, no. Dreamers, yes. Immigrant crime, no. Climate Change, yes, yes, yes. Wage stagnation, overcrowding, discord caused by mass third world immigration, no.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.
     
    It's a sad reflection upon the nation, that a guy who really went all out to elbow his way to the top and stake his claim to "Worse President Ever", has to contend with his own father's appallingly destructive performance with the 1990 Immigration Act.

    I mean, where's the upward mobility? What's a boy gotta do?
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Wilkey

    "how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq."

    George W. Bush, um, distracted us? George Bush, the inane coke-head illiterate alcoholic? The guy who couldn't even run a baseball team, or an ice-cream stand? The guy who all the strippers in Austin thought was the silliest man they'd ever met? The best Charlie McCarthy puppet president of all time?

    How about naming who really did the distracting and talked us into a war where mysteriously only goyim got killed?

    Starts with a J. Always does.

  29. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads’ biggest hit “Once in a Lifetime.”

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    The survivable/enjoyable end of NPR's programming is the music, and their music review program (which is more to the survivable region) worships Eno. When he is mentioned a dedicated bell rings. Eno is one of those people who has worked with nearly everybody at one time or another, and is much more important as a producer than as a solo artist. But "one of those people" might not work because, while the underappreciated behind the scenes people are a category, Eno's producing might be uniquely widely distributed.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Steve Sailer


    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads’ biggest hit “Once in a Lifetime.”
     
    Eno can't read nor write sheet music. He must have hummed it.
    It's a fairly old and well used melody-chunk, btw. - often heard in brass-band music - a bit deranged - but you can still hear it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4Q1zeYPUI

    , @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    For many years, this Brian Eno composition was heard millions of times a day all over the world:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Ak5VgyEoc

    , @Curle
    @Steve Sailer

    I’d have assumed Life During Wartime to be the biggest.

  30. @J.Ross
    So Eno's coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao's dog's peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao's dog's peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda ("propaganda" = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they're still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT -- Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman's suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let's give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There's just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are "real" -- the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn't it winter, and wasn't the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze -- and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There's further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch, @ben tillman, @Jack D, @ATate

    Paragraphs MFer, can you use them?

  31. @Anonymous
    I call it “Squirrelism”- as in the Government sending out a coordinated team to say, “Look a squirrel!!!!!!” whenever the people start noticing the uncomfortable facts.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I’ll use that nice term squirrelism, because it made me laugh in the morning! – Beautiful morning this morning around here in southern Germany. Quiet. First snow.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Dieter Kief


    ... Beautiful morning this morning around here in southern Germany. Quiet. First snow.
     
    Cool sounds nice, enjoy. Actually a beautiful morning here in Florida as well. But haven't had our first snow yet.
  32. @anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gotta hand it to those women - they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    Gotta hand it to those women – they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.

    There are “similar positions” for men?

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stokely Carmichael was right.

    , @George o' da Jungle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Why don't they out the companies that are doing this? They out every minor racial incident no matter how obscure. If, across the board, companies are paying women less we need to find out who these companies are.

  33. @Wilkey

    Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.
     
    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Agree. But why stop at Iraq? The first bias of media is the choice of what not to discuss. Afghanistan, yes. Mexico, no. Russian collusion, yes. Immigration control, no. Dreamers, yes. Immigrant crime, no. Climate Change, yes, yes, yes. Wage stagnation, overcrowding, discord caused by mass third world immigration, no.

  34. “It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.”

    Never happen. Professors of history are part of the conspiracy.

    In the run-up to the 1964 election, the democrats created a massive conspiracy to re-elect Jack Kennedy. democrat “historian” Richard Hofstadter wrote The Paranoid Style in American Politics; a madison avenue ad company came up with the little girl and flower A-Bomb ad; and Hollywood came up with not one, not two, but three brilliant anti-anti-Communist pictures meant to persuade the public that a president Barry Goldwater would cause WWIII: Sidney Lumet and Communist Walter Bernstein’s Fail Safe; John Frankenheimer and Rod Serling’s Seven Days in May; and Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern’s Dr. Strangelove. (Peter George worked on both Fail Safe and Strangelove’s scripts, and then committed suicide.)

    The journolist media conspiracy that acted as a palace guard for the John Doe calling himself “Barack Obama” in 2008.

    The Hillary conspiracy in 2016, which miraculously failed!

    The Palace Guard to protect The Big Steal 2020-present, which did not fail.

    You won’t see any historians exposing any of these conspiracies.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Nicholas Stix


    You won’t see any historians exposing any of these conspiracies.
     
    No idea who "Dom Lucre" is, but he doesn't look like a historian. But he's closer to a real one than most:



    Dom Lucre takes Democrats APART for ‘destroying the black family structure’ in brutally EPIC thread

    He blames the Civil Rights Act itself.


    We've been saying for years that the Moynihan Report (which he quotes) was used as a blueprint. The Democrats are not a political party, but a criminal gang, and a seriously evil one. The National Socialists are banned in Germany on those grounds. We should look into doing the same here.

    At the very least, dun them for reparations for centuries of atrocities. Why should the rest of us cover the cost of their crimes?
  35. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    One of them appears to have a Chihuahua in her handbag.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    That's her emotional support dog, which she brings everywhere. She has a letter from her doctor.

    BTW, the "Non-binary Biden nuclear official" Sam Brinton has been accused in second luggage heist:

    https://nypost.com/2022/12/09/biden-nuclear-official-sam-brinton-accused-in-second-luggage-heist/

    This is who is running the country now. Heaven help us.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    I call this podcaster physiognomy. If you click through this list, you’ll see the women have the same kind of look. 5/10 attractiveness, ‘problem glasses’, and a facial expression seemingly designed by a committee. And the men are low testosterone.

    https://usesthis.com/categories/podcaster/

  37. A successor to Carroll Quigley or David Irving addressing this topic would struggle to get published anywhere, might even struggle to get safely round a corner at night whilst driving home.

    Yes you are correct, misdirection is how they operate.

    The Soviets were always wondering where the Anglosphere’s ‘Control Center’ was, I think you are asking the same question.

    We don’t clearly see the answer but occasionally one of the mechanisms that keep the pawns in order can be glimpsed; I’m thinking Epstein/Maxwell and their still anonymous client list.

    The fact that the list is still secret validates your premise.

  38. @J.Ross
    @Kylie

    >same race
    Look at the pic again.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “>same race
    Look at the pic again.”

    Don’t need to. They wouldn’t be what Steve calls “nice white ladies” if they didn’t reach out and include some of their dusky sisters. They only see color when they want to discuss victimhood and the evil of white men. As to why the others are willing to join a club that would have them, not every WoC aspires to be an ABW.

    These females are not really hard core seekers of world destruction (i.e. the capitalistic West) in the name of social justice (gibs to non-whites and other marginalized groups) . They haven’t really thought that far ahead; indeed they haven’t really thought. Their driving force is a pernicious blend of their flock mentality and their maternal instinct unmoored from the private sphere.

    When nice, white women want to lift up oppressed people, it’s really just mothering in overdrive. They’re smother mothers. They want to help needy people so they themselves feel needed rather than enabling the needy to become truly independent.. That’s what makes them so determined, and also ensures that they will invariably get it wrong. Because what works, more or less, in a family dynamic is disastrous when translated into public policy. Even better for the younger, more selfish ones, they don’t have to become mothers. They can just endlessly patronize non-whites and the marginalized and condemn white men, all in a very motherly way– without ever having to change a diaper or worry about postpartum weight. Win/win!

    This is very generalized but overall, pretty accurate. It’s all so personal for them. And the personal is so political. And so here we are. Thanks again, guys!

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Kylie

    I know he wasn't the first one to say it, but Derb's "against women's suffrage" piece is one of the better ones at explaining this dynamic.

    You could use the same logic for letting negroes vote: it's not that we think they are necessarily underserving of the franchise, it's that they don't take it seriously enough and are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. It's all tribalism and corruption.

    I live in the Houston area and we are seeing in real time the disintegration of both the city and Harris County, as we've reached a critical mass of white flight to the surrounding counties and the blacks now control all of city and county government. Local negro politics were always racial and crazy, but they were restricted to certain areas and there were still just enough whites in charge to maintain civilization and keep the negroes under control.

    We now have rampant bid-rigging and failing infrastructure and its obvious what needs to be done and the voters* - the ones who can change things - just don't care. As long as it's a BLACK! running things, that's all that matters and we're seeing the same backwards slide as cities like Detroit and Los Angeles and Philadelphia and all the rest of them... just like Zimbabwe, frankly.

    *Texas isn't as far down the mail-in ballot rabbit hole, yet, so most elections are still real elections for the most part.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Kylie

    "Gold box" comment, Kylie.

    Kylie, you generally crank out good comments, but this one is exceptional. It's the best short, clear explanation of the modern "woman problem" that I have seen on this blog.

    Women's virtues are virtues--in a properly functioning society. In a normal nation women's compliance--strong desire to follow social norms and gain social approval--is healthy because the culture encourages socially/nationally positive behavior. And in its proper role in the family, women's nurturing instinct is not just meritorious but essential--and beautiful.

    But we have a society that's been culturally/politically hijacked by hostiles. And outside their proper role in reinforcing family life/bonds--unhitched or worse turned to politics--women's virtues become vices, absolutely toxic.

    "Misplaced nurturing" is the best short expression I've come up with. But your comment is really the best short clear take I've seen. Well done.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Eddie the swarthy rat cellar

  39. @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    Gotta hand it to those women – they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.
     
    There are "similar positions" for men?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @George o' da Jungle

    Stokely Carmichael was right.

  40. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    We just need to read Hillary Clinton’s FOIA-ed emails and “read between the redactions” to get an idea as to how propaganda is propagated:

    https://foia.state.gov/scripts/pdf.js/web/viewer.html?File=%5CDOCUMENTS%5CHRCEmail_Jan7thWeb%5CO-2015-08641-JAN7%5CDOC_0C05795460%5CC05795460.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,-15,792

    During Obama’s reign global-warming-ism exploded with journals such as Science devoting whole issues to it. Occam’s Razor tells us their “research” was paid for with ARRA money.

    It predates Obama’s reign but as far back as 2007 there were warnings in the Skeptical Enquirer against global-warming skepticism:

    https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2007/05/22164536/p04.pdf

    How did skepticism come out against skepticism before ARRA?

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    The good ol’ 19th Amendment!

  42. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    Saw a documentary abotu U2 when I was still a fan. Showed that their process, if you could call it that, was to hash around some ideas with Eno and his staff, and then go the south of France or Ibiza and get drunk for a month while Eno and his staff ….wrote the songs? And then came back and ran through Eno’s instructions. Left me with the impression while U2 may be competent musicians, they weren’t really the authors of their work, closer to a boy band than The Who or Led Zeppelin.

    When I first heard Coldplay, thought it was U2. Low and behold, Eno produces them too. Looks very much like Eno likes being in the studio and making money, but realized he wasn’t cut out to be a superstar on the road for the rest of his days. Worked out for U2 too. They own huge swaths of Dublin real estate along the Liffey.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bugg


    Low and behold...
     
    https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/sites/default/files/styles/article_default_banner/public/cow-looking-at-camera.jpg?itok=PHw0ipFv
  43. O/T whomever (is that right you who/whom nazis?) recommended ‘Cisco Pike’ in Steve’s movie post should have your head examined. What horrible 70’s drivel and I’m a Kris Kristofferson fan!

  44. Probably happens like the way Paul Graham talks about PR here: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
    Some hacks in the administration or an agency mention a “problem” to some reporters.

  45. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot...

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Emil Nikola Richard

    nope

    Presumably, Pelosi married the gay guy so she wouldn’t have to. OTOH, somebody got her pregnant five times.

    P.S. I think the one in green with the fashionably exaggerated glasses frames is the PBS slore who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV
     
    Well if she is pretending she isn't trying very hard. You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.

    Replies: @Curle, @Almost Missouri

  46. @Kylie
    @J.Ross

    ">same race
    Look at the pic again."

    Don't need to. They wouldn't be what Steve calls "nice white ladies" if they didn't reach out and include some of their dusky sisters. They only see color when they want to discuss victimhood and the evil of white men. As to why the others are willing to join a club that would have them, not every WoC aspires to be an ABW.

    These females are not really hard core seekers of world destruction (i.e. the capitalistic West) in the name of social justice (gibs to non-whites and other marginalized groups) . They haven't really thought that far ahead; indeed they haven't really thought. Their driving force is a pernicious blend of their flock mentality and their maternal instinct unmoored from the private sphere.

    When nice, white women want to lift up oppressed people, it's really just mothering in overdrive. They're smother mothers. They want to help needy people so they themselves feel needed rather than enabling the needy to become truly independent.. That's what makes them so determined, and also ensures that they will invariably get it wrong. Because what works, more or less, in a family dynamic is disastrous when translated into public policy. Even better for the younger, more selfish ones, they don't have to become mothers. They can just endlessly patronize non-whites and the marginalized and condemn white men, all in a very motherly way-- without ever having to change a diaper or worry about postpartum weight. Win/win!

    This is very generalized but overall, pretty accurate. It's all so personal for them. And the personal is so political. And so here we are. Thanks again, guys!

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @AnotherDad

    I know he wasn’t the first one to say it, but Derb’s “against women’s suffrage” piece is one of the better ones at explaining this dynamic.

    You could use the same logic for letting negroes vote: it’s not that we think they are necessarily underserving of the franchise, it’s that they don’t take it seriously enough and are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. It’s all tribalism and corruption.

    I live in the Houston area and we are seeing in real time the disintegration of both the city and Harris County, as we’ve reached a critical mass of white flight to the surrounding counties and the blacks now control all of city and county government. Local negro politics were always racial and crazy, but they were restricted to certain areas and there were still just enough whites in charge to maintain civilization and keep the negroes under control.

    We now have rampant bid-rigging and failing infrastructure and its obvious what needs to be done and the voters* – the ones who can change things – just don’t care. As long as it’s a BLACK! running things, that’s all that matters and we’re seeing the same backwards slide as cities like Detroit and Los Angeles and Philadelphia and all the rest of them… just like Zimbabwe, frankly.

    *Texas isn’t as far down the mail-in ballot rabbit hole, yet, so most elections are still real elections for the most part.

    • Agree: Kylie, Mark G.
  47. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    One of the top comments is I haven’t seen that many threes since Steph Curry was in his prime.

    My thoughts exactly.

  48. With regards to the OT:

    I read Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death for the first time about 20 years ago and it has informed my worldview ever since. A lot of the “prop-agenda” being discussed here was predicted and lamented in that book, which was written in 1984. I’ve seen Eno mention that book before in some of his other pieces.

    That being said, while frivolous uses of the internet are a continuation of Postman’s “television has ruined public discourse” thesis, the growth and accessibility of message boards and blogs has probably made a (very) small dent on the pervasiveness of infotainment compared to the 80’s and 90’s, if only because it’s easier to find and consume alternative sources of information now.

    The sad fact is that there is still a very large portion of the population that take network news at face value.

  49. Saw this yesterday on another site and it probably fits in here, too:

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  50. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    Well, you don’t know me probably, but I found myself just the other day thinking fondly of Ambient 1: Music for Airports. Anyway, he was also in Roxy Music, which ain’t nothing, and he’s produced a lot of really, really great records for other musicians. Like it or not, Brian Eno’s work is not to be sniffed at.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @slumber_j

    Was just thinking about 'Music for Airports' and how much that 'chill' format music is useful for falling asleep. I thought I was introduced to Eno's 'Music for Airports' from this blog, and it was probably you that mentioned it. Thank you!

    In regard to the other 'Prop-agenda' topic, LBJ was faced with similar problems that Carter and now Biden are facing (created). Inflation was a biggie. Citizens kept talking about 'the increasing price of eggs' something that smacked them in the face constantly, and the cost of meat. Egg prices rose in 1966 and Agriculture Secretary Orville Freeman told him that not much could be done, Johnson had the Surgeon General issue alerts as to the hazards of cholesterol in eggs. Hence, "3 eggs a week!" slogan from the FDA and an economic problem was turned into a health problem. Also, New Zealand lamb was purchased to feed the U.S. military, changing supply-and-demand.

    , @MGB
    @slumber_j

    yes, early Roxy put out some great stuff, until Ferry transitioned into his eye patch, airline pilot perv phase.

  51. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1600574621274750981

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones

    Who?

  52. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    Whenever I feel old, I come here and instantly feel better. This site probably has the oldest median commenter age on the internet

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @AndrewR

    Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Eno’s ten years older than me. “Some kind of love” is a cruddy song.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    Gotta hand it to those women – they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.
     
    There are "similar positions" for men?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @George o' da Jungle

    Why don’t they out the companies that are doing this? They out every minor racial incident no matter how obscure. If, across the board, companies are paying women less we need to find out who these companies are.

  54. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads' biggest hit "Once in a Lifetime."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief, @Stan Adams, @Curle

    The survivable/enjoyable end of NPR’s programming is the music, and their music review program (which is more to the survivable region) worships Eno. When he is mentioned a dedicated bell rings. Eno is one of those people who has worked with nearly everybody at one time or another, and is much more important as a producer than as a solo artist. But “one of those people” might not work because, while the underappreciated behind the scenes people are a category, Eno’s producing might be uniquely widely distributed.

  55. @Emblematic
    @Luke Lea

    That's my impression too. Drag Queen Story Hour for example seems like a tailor made provocation designed to trigger and disorientate the Right while distracting from other business. It blends unease with homosexuality with fears of child sexual exploitation (shades of Q anon) and uses up enormous amounts of energy on the Right. But say if Drag Queen Story Hour was banned from your local library. Would that help the Right in the wider battle for political power? Maybe it would, but I'm not so sure. Winning limited victories in the 'culture war' now seems like the allowable outlet for right-wing frustration while massive immigration keeps on coming and talk of economic nationalism has virtually disappeared.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Didn’t mean to agree, while it might be more noise than signal I think keeping your kids away from trannies (or retaining the absolute right to do so) is not noise.

  56. “Professional” historian is a contradiction in terms…all the good ones were amateurs…

    • Replies: @Kim
    @pyrrhus

    David Irving has no degree.

  57. @Steve Richter
    60 minutes used to find a subject in a public setting who was refusing to be interviewed and ask them questions with the camera rolling. Ambush journalism. Made for great TV. Serious conservative journalists should do that. Find mainstream media figures in restaurants and ask them where they get their talking points from. Ask why no one is reporting news on the Paul Pelosi case. Do they really think Jan 6 was an insurrection? Is 5 years in prison an appropriate sentence for planning or even acting to disrupt a congressional proceeding?

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @San Fernando Curt

    Were all the cats edited out of that picture?

  58. @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous

    I'll use that nice term squirrelism, because it made me laugh in the morning! - Beautiful morning this morning around here in southern Germany. Quiet. First snow.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    … Beautiful morning this morning around here in southern Germany. Quiet. First snow.

    Cool sounds nice, enjoy. Actually a beautiful morning here in Florida as well. But haven’t had our first snow yet.

  59. @J.Ross
    So Eno's coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao's dog's peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao's dog's peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda ("propaganda" = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they're still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT -- Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman's suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let's give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There's just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are "real" -- the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn't it winter, and wasn't the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze -- and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There's further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch, @ben tillman, @Jack D, @ATate

    So Eno’s coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao’s dog’s peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao’s dog’s peppers.

    Point is, Eno was already on it twenty years ago, well before anyone heard of the ‘Overton window’.

  60. OT: is the Bout-for-Griner trade the platonic idyllic illustration of the moral twistedness and evil of our ruling class? Letting a mass murderer go free in exchange for … a Thrice Holy One, queer/black/female. In a twisted way, Putin is admirable for knowing how to manipulate the woke ruling class for his own ends.

  61. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot...

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah. That would be a failure in your male programming to spread your seed.

    There’s a smattering of noticeably ugly gals and no obvious “wow, she’s cute!” girls, which gives the pic a quick overall unattractive vibe. But realistically, it’s mostly a group of pretty average looking younger women.

    It’s what’s in their heads that’s ugly.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    But realistically, it’s mostly a group of pretty average looking younger women.

    It’s what’s in their heads that’s ugly.
     
    I accounted for that in my reassessment. Only one made the cut.
  62. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope

    Nah, on second thot...

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

    Replies: @XBardon Kaldlan, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Emil Nikola Richard

    This photo is a set-up, right? A random sample of youngish women is very unlikely to be all barkers. Maybe it’s a social function at that one sorority every campus has where they park them?

  63. @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's simple. We just have to use sound equipment to make it seem that their cats are talking to them, and have their cats instruct them to not destroy the country.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You can’t be sure whose side the cats are on though. Peak Stupidity on “Robotic Feline Spyware – you can’t be too paranoid.”, as inspired by a conversation with my 10 y/o.

    Here’s an iCat reporting back to the NSA:

    The other guy is cuddly but completely clueless.

  64. @Kylie
    @J.Ross

    ">same race
    Look at the pic again."

    Don't need to. They wouldn't be what Steve calls "nice white ladies" if they didn't reach out and include some of their dusky sisters. They only see color when they want to discuss victimhood and the evil of white men. As to why the others are willing to join a club that would have them, not every WoC aspires to be an ABW.

    These females are not really hard core seekers of world destruction (i.e. the capitalistic West) in the name of social justice (gibs to non-whites and other marginalized groups) . They haven't really thought that far ahead; indeed they haven't really thought. Their driving force is a pernicious blend of their flock mentality and their maternal instinct unmoored from the private sphere.

    When nice, white women want to lift up oppressed people, it's really just mothering in overdrive. They're smother mothers. They want to help needy people so they themselves feel needed rather than enabling the needy to become truly independent.. That's what makes them so determined, and also ensures that they will invariably get it wrong. Because what works, more or less, in a family dynamic is disastrous when translated into public policy. Even better for the younger, more selfish ones, they don't have to become mothers. They can just endlessly patronize non-whites and the marginalized and condemn white men, all in a very motherly way-- without ever having to change a diaper or worry about postpartum weight. Win/win!

    This is very generalized but overall, pretty accurate. It's all so personal for them. And the personal is so political. And so here we are. Thanks again, guys!

    Replies: @JR Ewing, @AnotherDad

    “Gold box” comment, Kylie.

    Kylie, you generally crank out good comments, but this one is exceptional. It’s the best short, clear explanation of the modern “woman problem” that I have seen on this blog.

    Women’s virtues are virtues–in a properly functioning society. In a normal nation women’s compliance–strong desire to follow social norms and gain social approval–is healthy because the culture encourages socially/nationally positive behavior. And in its proper role in the family, women’s nurturing instinct is not just meritorious but essential–and beautiful.

    But we have a society that’s been culturally/politically hijacked by hostiles. And outside their proper role in reinforcing family life/bonds–unhitched or worse turned to politics–women’s virtues become vices, absolutely toxic.

    “Misplaced nurturing” is the best short expression I’ve come up with. But your comment is really the best short clear take I’ve seen. Well done.

    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    I ran out of [Agree]s for either of you, but, yes, this goes right along with what you've been writing all the time too, AD.

    Excellent!

    Kylie, how 'bout I post this on my blog? (I haven't done this a quite a while.)

    .

    BTW, gold boxes are given out here with the same rarity and randomness as Nobel Peace Prizes. They are worthless.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Eddie the swarthy rat cellar
    @AnotherDad

    Based WS = ½ post-mstr preg.

  65. @AnotherDad
    @Kylie

    "Gold box" comment, Kylie.

    Kylie, you generally crank out good comments, but this one is exceptional. It's the best short, clear explanation of the modern "woman problem" that I have seen on this blog.

    Women's virtues are virtues--in a properly functioning society. In a normal nation women's compliance--strong desire to follow social norms and gain social approval--is healthy because the culture encourages socially/nationally positive behavior. And in its proper role in the family, women's nurturing instinct is not just meritorious but essential--and beautiful.

    But we have a society that's been culturally/politically hijacked by hostiles. And outside their proper role in reinforcing family life/bonds--unhitched or worse turned to politics--women's virtues become vices, absolutely toxic.

    "Misplaced nurturing" is the best short expression I've come up with. But your comment is really the best short clear take I've seen. Well done.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Eddie the swarthy rat cellar

    I ran out of [Agree]s for either of you, but, yes, this goes right along with what you’ve been writing all the time too, AD.

    Excellent!

    Kylie, how ’bout I post this on my blog? (I haven’t done this a quite a while.)

    .

    BTW, gold boxes are given out here with the same rarity and randomness as Nobel Peace Prizes. They are worthless.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks! You are welcome to post my comment on your blog, if you like. (I've been reading your blog but haven't yet commented there simply because I haven't yet felt I had anything worthwhile to contribute.)

  66. @HammerJack

    Propaganda is easy to detect and defend against because we recognize it.
     
    Which is why much (if not most) cultural and political propaganda is now embedded in entertainment, where no one really thinks to look for it, and it may then work its wiles unencumbered.

    BTW, not long after 9/11, or during the early stages of the Iraq War, Eno wrote a spectacular opinion piece in London's Independent where he lamented the insanity which seemed to have consumed the American body politic. It really enhanced my respect for the man.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Which is why much (if not most) cultural and political propaganda is now embedded in entertainment . . . .

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  67. @Kim
    @Reg Cæsar

    What ever happened to hair dos? Or even washing it from time to time. The hair, I mean.

    Replies: @fish

    When you’re “saving” the world who has time?

  68. @Nicholas Stix

    "It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated."
     
    Never happen. Professors of history are part of the conspiracy.

    In the run-up to the 1964 election, the democrats created a massive conspiracy to re-elect Jack Kennedy. democrat "historian" Richard Hofstadter wrote The Paranoid Style in American Politics; a madison avenue ad company came up with the little girl and flower A-Bomb ad; and Hollywood came up with not one, not two, but three brilliant anti-anti-Communist pictures meant to persuade the public that a president Barry Goldwater would cause WWIII: Sidney Lumet and Communist Walter Bernstein's Fail Safe; John Frankenheimer and Rod Serling's Seven Days in May; and Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern's Dr. Strangelove. (Peter George worked on both Fail Safe and Strangelove's scripts, and then committed suicide.)

    The journolist media conspiracy that acted as a palace guard for the John Doe calling himself "Barack Obama" in 2008.

    The Hillary conspiracy in 2016, which miraculously failed!

    The Palace Guard to protect The Big Steal 2020-present, which did not fail.

    You won't see any historians exposing any of these conspiracies.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    Do you think it’s going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump’s re-election? I don’t.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @ben tillman

    Yes, I think that's going too far. I don't think the pandemic itself was orchestrated, Ben. What was orchestrated very well was the PanicFest on behalf of the Covid-19, and most likely in part to prevent Trump's re-election. The other part was for getting Americans used to Totalitarianism.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @ben tillman

    The reaction to the pandemic was certainly orchestrated to prevent Trump from getting re-elected. The first step was to destroy the economy and create civil unrest by shuttering the Universities, schools, churches, small businesses, and all recreational and social activities...even the parks and beaches were closed. The mask mandates further promoted fear and unsocial behaviors to disrupt normal social interactions and create civil unrest. Ending in-person voting in many states ensured massive corruption to ensure a Democratic victory.

    Without the lockdowns we never have 900 riots over the summer and without the mail-in voting Biden loses a close election. Recall that when the gentle Giant Michael Brown was killed by the police the result was a single riot in Missouri, not followed by thousands of protests because people had jobs and schools to attend. Unlike in 2020 when young people had no other social outlets available except protesting. Thus we had thousands of protests across the nation because this was the only available social gathering available to most Americans since the churches, clubs , restaurants , bars ...etc were all closed. The resulting civil unrest was mostly due to the lockdowns.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @ben tillman

    To believe that you have to believe that most of the world, including people like Orban and Putin, were trying to prevent Trump’s re-election. You also have to believe conversely that Sweden was working to get Trump re-elected.

    , @JR Ewing
    @ben tillman

    I'm not 100% sure the "whole thing" was orchestrated or planned, but I think very early on the threat was exaggerated and the reaction in the west was hijacked for that reason. I'm 100% certain of that.

    The left was especially excited to roll out election "safety measures" based on that pretense, which still haven't been rolled back.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @ben tillman

    Depends what you mean by "orchestrated". I don't think, for example, that a coronavirus was deliberately released in order to sabotage the next year's election. (I'm on the fence about Ron's bioweapon theory, but in his theory the virus wasn't supposed to affect non-target countries so heavily in any case.) But I absolutely agree with the other commenters that the response was arranged with an eye to embarrassing Trump, maximizing vote fraud, and generally implementing leftist control-freakery.

    It's no coincidence, for example, that there was almost a prefect correlation between how Blue a state or city government was and how hard they stomped on the social control. "Never let a good crisis go to waste," said (Democrat) strategist Rahm Emanuel.

    Mr. Akuleyev thinks that non-American government overreactions disprove the thesis, but this forgets that 1) a large number of governments blindly follow the US lead, no matter how bad, and the US doesn't care what happens to them (e.g., NATO and the Ukraine), 2) plenty of foreign governments have their own control-freak aspirations and were only too happy to catch a ride on the panic legitimization being pumped out by the world's preeminent propaganda machinery, and 3) plenty of foreign governments (especially second- and third-world) just mouthed along with the directives being promulgated by the (American-led) CDC and WHO since it allowed them to make special pleading and demand "emergency funds" while life on the ground was basically unchanged.

  69. @HammerJack
    This is in the Guardian, not the Independent, but it gives the same flavor as the one I mentioned, and which I saved somewhere in hard copy. Smart guy.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/aug/17/media.davidkelly

    Replies: @anonymous

    He talks about “sensational intellectual dishonesty,” but at the same time buys the global warming scam.

  70. @AnotherDad
    @Kylie

    "Gold box" comment, Kylie.

    Kylie, you generally crank out good comments, but this one is exceptional. It's the best short, clear explanation of the modern "woman problem" that I have seen on this blog.

    Women's virtues are virtues--in a properly functioning society. In a normal nation women's compliance--strong desire to follow social norms and gain social approval--is healthy because the culture encourages socially/nationally positive behavior. And in its proper role in the family, women's nurturing instinct is not just meritorious but essential--and beautiful.

    But we have a society that's been culturally/politically hijacked by hostiles. And outside their proper role in reinforcing family life/bonds--unhitched or worse turned to politics--women's virtues become vices, absolutely toxic.

    "Misplaced nurturing" is the best short expression I've come up with. But your comment is really the best short clear take I've seen. Well done.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Eddie the swarthy rat cellar

    Based WS = ½ post-mstr preg.

  71. @J.Ross
    So Eno's coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao's dog's peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao's dog's peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda ("propaganda" = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they're still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT -- Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman's suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let's give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There's just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are "real" -- the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn't it winter, and wasn't the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze -- and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There's further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch, @ben tillman, @Jack D, @ATate

    The Carolinas do freeze. Every inch of them.

    Even Hilton Head has an average of 17 freezes per year. (Average January low is 39.)

    https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/south_carolina/hilton_head_island

    Same for Charleston.

  72. @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of them appears to have a Chihuahua in her handbag.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That’s her emotional support dog, which she brings everywhere. She has a letter from her doctor.

    BTW, the “Non-binary Biden nuclear official” Sam Brinton has been accused in second luggage heist:

    https://nypost.com/2022/12/09/biden-nuclear-official-sam-brinton-accused-in-second-luggage-heist/

    This is who is running the country now. Heaven help us.

  73. @Nicholas Stix

    "It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated."
     
    Never happen. Professors of history are part of the conspiracy.

    In the run-up to the 1964 election, the democrats created a massive conspiracy to re-elect Jack Kennedy. democrat "historian" Richard Hofstadter wrote The Paranoid Style in American Politics; a madison avenue ad company came up with the little girl and flower A-Bomb ad; and Hollywood came up with not one, not two, but three brilliant anti-anti-Communist pictures meant to persuade the public that a president Barry Goldwater would cause WWIII: Sidney Lumet and Communist Walter Bernstein's Fail Safe; John Frankenheimer and Rod Serling's Seven Days in May; and Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern's Dr. Strangelove. (Peter George worked on both Fail Safe and Strangelove's scripts, and then committed suicide.)

    The journolist media conspiracy that acted as a palace guard for the John Doe calling himself "Barack Obama" in 2008.

    The Hillary conspiracy in 2016, which miraculously failed!

    The Palace Guard to protect The Big Steal 2020-present, which did not fail.

    You won't see any historians exposing any of these conspiracies.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    You won’t see any historians exposing any of these conspiracies.

    No idea who “Dom Lucre” is, but he doesn’t look like a historian. But he’s closer to a real one than most:

    Dom Lucre takes Democrats APART for ‘destroying the black family structure’ in brutally EPIC thread

    He blames the Civil Rights Act itself.

    We’ve been saying for years that the Moynihan Report (which he quotes) was used as a blueprint. The Democrats are not a political party, but a criminal gang, and a seriously evil one. The National Socialists are banned in Germany on those grounds. We should look into doing the same here.

    At the very least, dun them for reparations for centuries of atrocities. Why should the rest of us cover the cost of their crimes?

  74. @Almost Missouri
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    nope
     
    Presumably, Pelosi married the gay guy so she wouldn't have to. OTOH, somebody got her pregnant five times.

    P.S. I think the one in green with the fashionably exaggerated glasses frames is the PBS slore who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV.

    Replies: @Jack D

    who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV

    Well if she is pretending she isn’t trying very hard. You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Jack D

    I dunno. I’ve a female friend who is very smart but simply bends over backwards to rationalize things she doesn’t want to see. She thinks Epstein was an sex abuser who just happened to have a lot of one to two degrees of separation from spies, Israeli spies in particular, and therefore the extreme consistency of his activities and associates with an honeypot operation is subjected to lots of denial as an less probable explanation than the pervert explanation.

    Where do you fall in the Epstein probability scale between spy/abuser and simple abuser?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.
     
    Yet I keep running into people of apparently above average intelligence who believe everything the MSM/DNC spoon-feeds them.

    Psy-ops work.
  75. Some of the history will include Twitter revelations, of necessity. Those can’t stay buried forever.

    Do your part, forward the MarcoPolo file and other items to your local journalist and editors, with a cc to the history profs, Congressional reps, Senators and Board Members at media companies. Ask them if they have committed to being on the wrong side of history.

    Someone will break the silence.

  76. @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    Yes, I think that’s going too far. I don’t think the pandemic itself was orchestrated, Ben. What was orchestrated very well was the PanicFest on behalf of the Covid-19, and most likely in part to prevent Trump’s re-election. The other part was for getting Americans used to Totalitarianism.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In any case, Trump fell for Fauxi's Warp Speed con. And didn't prevent the lockdowns. Trump is not as smart as he thinks he is and he likes to surround himself with yesmen or traitors. He was genuine, I'll give you that.

  77. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    It would be very challenging to orchestrate much of anything if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.

    See Michelle Malkin’s recent retirement statement. As late as 1992, when she started out in journalism, there was actual reporting being done (as opposed to ‘information ops’). The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    ...if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.
     
    And how we let it come to be. Almost all the top J-schools are private-- Missouri and Florida among the exceptions-- and other of the purview of state legislatures.

    [At NYU,] "Students are required to double-major in one additional field of study. This is great if you want a more liberal arts spin to your education, but not so great if you're sure you just want to focus on journalism."

    https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-journalism-schools
     
    Focus is the problem. Part of it, anyway. Columbia doesn't even offer a degree in the field, nor does UCLA. That may be the way to go. Columbia does offer the field's most important journal.

    "Once known as a 'dying major,' journalism has risen from the depths and is alive and well."

    https://www.collegerank.net/best-bachelors-journalism/
     
    The talk radio of the Left? You did say 1992:

    The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.
     
    In other words, nothing like the crowd around the Speaker in the photo above. Which could be today's Capitol Hill press corps for all we know.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Curle
    @Art Deco

    “We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.”

    I dunno, I recall being concerned over a course of years under both D and R regimes that nobody was opposing media consolidation on antitrust grounds at the very least. Law schools taught antitrust as recently as the eighties.

    And then there was the very visible circumstance of National Review being sold and turning fake conservative. And recall The Drudge Report?

    The old socialists were being replaced behind everyone’s back in the ‘90s while everyone pretended they were still a threat. The new socialists were taking over the schools but the attitude of the R establishment was to scoff at the threat as that gang of imbeciles always does. I remember clearly an ‘90s era R legislative staffer proclaiming that ‘tax cuts’ were the only things that mattered.

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism - "If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then "journalism" became a profession and "journalists" went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media - they are the same people on different days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @pirelli, @David In TN, @J.Ross

  78. @J.Ross
    So Eno's coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao's dog's peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao's dog's peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda ("propaganda" = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they're still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT -- Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman's suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let's give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There's just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are "real" -- the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn't it winter, and wasn't the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze -- and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There's further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch, @ben tillman, @Jack D, @ATate

    Every action that is a (possible) right wing action and which makes the right wing look bad gets denounced as a false flag attack here before the ink is even dry on the headline.

    Now of course, the Left does something similar – the Carolina attack was somehow assumed to be a right wing attack and tied to an LGBT show that happened to be going on at the same time, with zero evidence that there was any relationship at all. A LOT of things were going on at that hour. Maybe there was a church service going on somewhere too – a temporal relationship is extremely weak sauce.

    But all that calling “false flag” with zero evidence does is create an echo chamber of stupidity. How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation before denouncing right wingers and glowies and ecoterrorists based on nothing but jumping to conclusions. It only makes you look stupid later when your premature conclusions turn out to be completely wrong.

    If I had to guess right now who did it, I would guess “disgruntled employee” who is neither a left wing nor a right wing terrorist nor a glowie. But really it’s way too soon to accuse anyone. Of course if the cops spend all their efforts pursuing supposed right wingers, then they may never catch the actual perp(s).

    Usually if you are a terrorist you want attention for your cause so you attack some media capital. No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there so my guess is that this is something that relates to a local grievance and they weren’t thinking about the weather at all. This time of year in NC it goes down to 40F at night so you won’t freeze to death but you won’t be comfortable either.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
    @Jack D

    There have been a lot of not-so spectacular attacks on power/utility sites this year in Washington and Oregon - and looks a LOT like the work of climate fanatics (especially in lack of success - they're better gluing themselves to Vermeers).

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there ...
     
    ... and golfers.

    This could be the first known case of anti-golf-course architecture terrorism.
    , @newrouter
    @Jack D

    "How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation"

    Any results from the Las Vegas shooter investigation?

  79. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

    No, but the effort of Arthur Schlesinger Jr and his co-conspirators to sell the idea that Calvin Coolidge was about 3d from the bottom among American presidents looks exceptionally silly today.

  80. @slumber_j
    @anonymous

    Well, you don't know me probably, but I found myself just the other day thinking fondly of Ambient 1: Music for Airports. Anyway, he was also in Roxy Music, which ain't nothing, and he's produced a lot of really, really great records for other musicians. Like it or not, Brian Eno's work is not to be sniffed at.

    Replies: @Tom F., @MGB

    Was just thinking about ‘Music for Airports’ and how much that ‘chill’ format music is useful for falling asleep. I thought I was introduced to Eno’s ‘Music for Airports’ from this blog, and it was probably you that mentioned it. Thank you!

    In regard to the other ‘Prop-agenda’ topic, LBJ was faced with similar problems that Carter and now Biden are facing (created). Inflation was a biggie. Citizens kept talking about ‘the increasing price of eggs’ something that smacked them in the face constantly, and the cost of meat. Egg prices rose in 1966 and Agriculture Secretary Orville Freeman told him that not much could be done, Johnson had the Surgeon General issue alerts as to the hazards of cholesterol in eggs. Hence, “3 eggs a week!” slogan from the FDA and an economic problem was turned into a health problem. Also, New Zealand lamb was purchased to feed the U.S. military, changing supply-and-demand.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  81. @Steve Richter
    60 minutes used to find a subject in a public setting who was refusing to be interviewed and ask them questions with the camera rolling. Ambush journalism. Made for great TV. Serious conservative journalists should do that. Find mainstream media figures in restaurants and ask them where they get their talking points from. Ask why no one is reporting news on the Paul Pelosi case. Do they really think Jan 6 was an insurrection? Is 5 years in prison an appropriate sentence for planning or even acting to disrupt a congressional proceeding?

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @San Fernando Curt

    January 6 has become public signal – so there’s no doubt by *anyone – that official oppression of white people has begun.

  82. Oh like Kovid: the squirrel that distracted most people from the biggest transfer of wealth and power in history.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  83. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Every action that is a (possible) right wing action and which makes the right wing look bad gets denounced as a false flag attack here before the ink is even dry on the headline.

    Now of course, the Left does something similar - the Carolina attack was somehow assumed to be a right wing attack and tied to an LGBT show that happened to be going on at the same time, with zero evidence that there was any relationship at all. A LOT of things were going on at that hour. Maybe there was a church service going on somewhere too - a temporal relationship is extremely weak sauce.

    But all that calling "false flag" with zero evidence does is create an echo chamber of stupidity. How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation before denouncing right wingers and glowies and ecoterrorists based on nothing but jumping to conclusions. It only makes you look stupid later when your premature conclusions turn out to be completely wrong.

    If I had to guess right now who did it, I would guess "disgruntled employee" who is neither a left wing nor a right wing terrorist nor a glowie. But really it's way too soon to accuse anyone. Of course if the cops spend all their efforts pursuing supposed right wingers, then they may never catch the actual perp(s).

    Usually if you are a terrorist you want attention for your cause so you attack some media capital. No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there so my guess is that this is something that relates to a local grievance and they weren't thinking about the weather at all. This time of year in NC it goes down to 40F at night so you won't freeze to death but you won't be comfortable either.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @AnotherDad, @newrouter

    There have been a lot of not-so spectacular attacks on power/utility sites this year in Washington and Oregon – and looks a LOT like the work of climate fanatics (especially in lack of success – they’re better gluing themselves to Vermeers).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @San Fernando Curt

    They are not saying this out loud, but one the reasons that they suspect the NC attack to have been an attack by (right wing) white men is because it was actually effective.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads' biggest hit "Once in a Lifetime."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief, @Stan Adams, @Curle

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads’ biggest hit “Once in a Lifetime.”

    Eno can’t read nor write sheet music. He must have hummed it.
    It’s a fairly old and well used melody-chunk, btw. – often heard in brass-band music – a bit deranged – but you can still hear it:

  85. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

    To a great extent, yes. The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln, the perennial First Place winner in every poll. They still seem to give Washington props, but I suspect he will fade. Probably the second worst President, FDR, is routinely very high up as well. Past favorite, the worthless Woodrow Wilson, is dropping because racism, the new most important factor.

    The worthless piece of garbage Lyndon Johnson also tends to rank high, because black people. And any list that doesn’t have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.

    • Thanks: Sam Malone
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @PeterIke


    And any list that doesn’t have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.
     
    Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. "Diversity is our strength!"

    Imagine had melanin stopped at Georgia. A big "No" to Jackson.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    , @Curle
    @PeterIke

    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Should include some “Women of Color” but point taken just the same.

  87. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV
     
    Well if she is pretending she isn't trying very hard. You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.

    Replies: @Curle, @Almost Missouri

    I dunno. I’ve a female friend who is very smart but simply bends over backwards to rationalize things she doesn’t want to see. She thinks Epstein was an sex abuser who just happened to have a lot of one to two degrees of separation from spies, Israeli spies in particular, and therefore the extreme consistency of his activities and associates with an honeypot operation is subjected to lots of denial as an less probable explanation than the pervert explanation.

    Where do you fall in the Epstein probability scale between spy/abuser and simple abuser?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Curle

    It seems to me that Epstein was more geared to getting girls for himself than he was for getting them for with his friends (though he did that too). Someone who is in business as drug dealer doesn't get high on his own supply. If Mossad wanted someone to run a honeypot operation they would have gotten someone gay like the KGB recruited Stephen Ward to lure Profumo.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

  88. @anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gotta hand it to those women - they’re being paid 27% less than men in similar positions and they just laugh it off.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. In pharmacy, the gap is statistically irrelevant along with much of healthcare. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours in jobs that working long hours pays more (think law) or men work in dangerous jobs in bad environments (think petroleum engineer).

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @megabar
    @Guest007

    > women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours

    I have a hypothesis that for some jobs, if things were perfectly fair, you'd find that men are paid more for the same job. Why? Because in some jobs -- specifically math-oriented ones -- there are a higher percentage of men who are highly qualified.

    Imagine that you hired only people 6' or taller, and you had different ranks for different heights. So, people 6'0"-6'3" are entry level, 6'3"-6'5" are grade 2, and so on.

    Because of the bell curve, not only would there be more men at grade 2 and above, the average man in the entry level position would be taller than the average women in the entry level position. Thus, men would be paid more at every job level.

    It looks like bias, but it isn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

  89. L-O-L.

  90. @Art Deco
    It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    It would be very challenging to orchestrate much of anything if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.

    See Michelle Malkin's recent retirement statement. As late as 1992, when she started out in journalism, there was actual reporting being done (as opposed to 'information ops'). The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle, @Jack D

    …if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.

    And how we let it come to be. Almost all the top J-schools are private– Missouri and Florida among the exceptions– and other of the purview of state legislatures.

    [At NYU,] “Students are required to double-major in one additional field of study. This is great if you want a more liberal arts spin to your education, but not so great if you’re sure you just want to focus on journalism.”

    https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-journalism-schools

    Focus is the problem. Part of it, anyway. Columbia doesn’t even offer a degree in the field, nor does UCLA. That may be the way to go. Columbia does offer the field’s most important journal.

    “Once known as a ‘dying major,’ journalism has risen from the depths and is alive and well.”

    https://www.collegerank.net/best-bachelors-journalism/

    The talk radio of the Left? You did say 1992:

    The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.

    In other words, nothing like the crowd around the Speaker in the photo above. Which could be today’s Capitol Hill press corps for all we know.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    That should read "out of the purview". But do legislatures have any influence, even indirect, over the direction their state universities take? You'd think they'd be responsible for containing rot.

  91. @Art Deco
    It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    It would be very challenging to orchestrate much of anything if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.

    See Michelle Malkin's recent retirement statement. As late as 1992, when she started out in journalism, there was actual reporting being done (as opposed to 'information ops'). The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle, @Jack D

    “We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.”

    I dunno, I recall being concerned over a course of years under both D and R regimes that nobody was opposing media consolidation on antitrust grounds at the very least. Law schools taught antitrust as recently as the eighties.

    And then there was the very visible circumstance of National Review being sold and turning fake conservative. And recall The Drudge Report?

    The old socialists were being replaced behind everyone’s back in the ‘90s while everyone pretended they were still a threat. The new socialists were taking over the schools but the attitude of the R establishment was to scoff at the threat as that gang of imbeciles always does. I remember clearly an ‘90s era R legislative staffer proclaiming that ‘tax cuts’ were the only things that mattered.

  92. Eno for President.

    Or at least, Eno’s first three solo albums for president. Plus one of those crazy things he did with Fripp. We’ll have to dig up Don Van Vliet to serve as VP.

    Can we just go ahead and replace the Constitution with “Baby’s On Fire” “Back in Judy’s Jungle” and “Black Water”?

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Along about the 25th of the month, the smell in that room would make even the toughest Samoan working for sub-minimum wage in Nancy Pelosi’s tuna cannery pass out. Lucky thing a third of them look like trannies.

  94. @Achmed E. Newman
    @ben tillman

    Yes, I think that's going too far. I don't think the pandemic itself was orchestrated, Ben. What was orchestrated very well was the PanicFest on behalf of the Covid-19, and most likely in part to prevent Trump's re-election. The other part was for getting Americans used to Totalitarianism.

    Replies: @BB753

    In any case, Trump fell for Fauxi’s Warp Speed con. And didn’t prevent the lockdowns. Trump is not as smart as he thinks he is and he likes to surround himself with yesmen or traitors. He was genuine, I’ll give you that.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  95. @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    The reaction to the pandemic was certainly orchestrated to prevent Trump from getting re-elected. The first step was to destroy the economy and create civil unrest by shuttering the Universities, schools, churches, small businesses, and all recreational and social activities…even the parks and beaches were closed. The mask mandates further promoted fear and unsocial behaviors to disrupt normal social interactions and create civil unrest. Ending in-person voting in many states ensured massive corruption to ensure a Democratic victory.

    Without the lockdowns we never have 900 riots over the summer and without the mail-in voting Biden loses a close election. Recall that when the gentle Giant Michael Brown was killed by the police the result was a single riot in Missouri, not followed by thousands of protests because people had jobs and schools to attend. Unlike in 2020 when young people had no other social outlets available except protesting. Thus we had thousands of protests across the nation because this was the only available social gathering available to most Americans since the churches, clubs , restaurants , bars …etc were all closed. The resulting civil unrest was mostly due to the lockdowns.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  96. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    ...if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.
     
    And how we let it come to be. Almost all the top J-schools are private-- Missouri and Florida among the exceptions-- and other of the purview of state legislatures.

    [At NYU,] "Students are required to double-major in one additional field of study. This is great if you want a more liberal arts spin to your education, but not so great if you're sure you just want to focus on journalism."

    https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-journalism-schools
     
    Focus is the problem. Part of it, anyway. Columbia doesn't even offer a degree in the field, nor does UCLA. That may be the way to go. Columbia does offer the field's most important journal.

    "Once known as a 'dying major,' journalism has risen from the depths and is alive and well."

    https://www.collegerank.net/best-bachelors-journalism/
     
    The talk radio of the Left? You did say 1992:

    The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.
     
    In other words, nothing like the crowd around the Speaker in the photo above. Which could be today's Capitol Hill press corps for all we know.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That should read “out of the purview”. But do legislatures have any influence, even indirect, over the direction their state universities take? You’d think they’d be responsible for containing rot.

  97. Griner’s release is this week’s Squirrel! story, amid a mainstream media blackout on social media’s election collusion

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  98. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    “historians”? lol
    People dig up how these things are orchestrated all the time. We call them “conspiracy theorists” and “antisemites”.
    When someone who’s been documenting this for decades shrugs and says “maybe the historians will tell us what is happening now” I realize we’re screwed beyond measure.

  99. @Anonymous
    Harvard.edu's home page right now:

    Language
    Languages allow us to express ourselves, create change, and share knowledge with people around the world and across time. Our Harvard experts look at the history, power, and science behind these systems of communication.
    ...
    Equity through language
    ...
    Why words matter
    ...
    Fat shaming harms health
    Students are acquiring the tools to help change the conversation around weight and health.

    Respecting pronouns
    What are the best ways to share and respect pronouns, at work and beyond?

    Inclusive language
    Students are working to jump-start conversations on the importance of inclusive language in the sciences as part of the ongoing fight for transgender rights.
    ...
    Accurate naming
    In 2020, the Entomological Society of America voted to remove “gypsy moth” and “gypsy ant” from a list of common names used to refer to insects.
     

    Replies: @Lurker

    In 2020, the Entomological Society of America voted to remove “gypsy moth” and “gypsy ant” from a list of common names used to refer to insects.

    Instead they will be known as the “thieving bastard moth” and “thieving bastard ant” .

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lurker

    Viz magazine back in the day. After a large amount of outrage they promised to replace it with "The Nice Law-Abiding Gypsies. Episode One - "the Nice Law-Abiding Gypsy buys a tax disc for his car".

    http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/thieving-gypsy-bastards.html

    Replies: @Lurker

  100. @slumber_j
    @anonymous

    Well, you don't know me probably, but I found myself just the other day thinking fondly of Ambient 1: Music for Airports. Anyway, he was also in Roxy Music, which ain't nothing, and he's produced a lot of really, really great records for other musicians. Like it or not, Brian Eno's work is not to be sniffed at.

    Replies: @Tom F., @MGB

    yes, early Roxy put out some great stuff, until Ferry transitioned into his eye patch, airline pilot perv phase.

  101. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve,

    My take is different.

    “Propaganda” is another area where we White European Conservative Americans tend to really, really suck. We tend to suck at a lot of things:

    Foreign language skills
    Partner dancing skills or just being sexy to women
    fighting and jumping

    There hasn’t been an undisputed White American Heavy weight boxing champion since Rocky Marciano and he was Italian American.

    In contrast White British, White European boxers have dominated the middle and heavier weight divisions these last 25 years.

    Back to poliitical and cultural propaganda.

    We suck

    The last political consultant, political manager that was any good at political propaganda was Lee Atwater that got George HW Bush elected president by destroying Lib Dem candidate MA Governor Michael Dukakis for being soft on Black crime, letting convicted murderer Willie Horton free on an unsupervised weekend pass where Willie Horton proceded to do a home invasion and raped a (White) Woman.

    When pressed about doing this rather stupid thing, governor Dukakis never admitted he did anything wrong, instead he wanted to switch the subject to no fault auto insurance.

    Propaganda is about presenting your political, cultural message in ways that reach the hearts and minds of specific people though means like well like music, images, videos, poetry, street posters.

    Our side always tries to win the argument by trying to get “our people” to read long boring books.

    Propaganda is both an art and a science. Like soccer and basketball that are funamentals that need to be learned and then improvisation around them.

    We need to study the best propaganda of others including:

    Yes – Communists, Socialists, Islamists, socialist nationalists.

    I would be honored to teach others the basics of good propaganda.

    I recommend the books “Faces of the Enemy” by Sam Keen

    But, be aware American Whtie Conservatives have had ~ 100 years of really bad propaganda, of always losing, trying to push disliked things like Economic Conservatism, belt tightening, tax cutting or disliked corporations and just presenting boring candidates with bad optics, no music and always bad propaganda.

    If we don’t get better real soon at propaganda our people will suffer the same fate as Europeans in Santo Domingo/Haiti, Algeria, Rhodesia…. Constantinople,… Baltimore, Philly etc.

    Let me know.

    J Ryan
    TPC The Political Cesspool

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @anonymous

    Conservatives are the adults in the room saying things like "we can't keep running trillion-dollar a year deficits forever". Liberals are like Santa Claus giving all the children lots of free presents. It's tough to compete with Santa Claus in a popularity contest. Advocating belt tightening and reducing government spending only appeals to people who think long term and can see the future results if it is not done. This is now a small and shrinking percentage of the population. It will only be when the money runs out that the government will reduce spending. Voters will never vote for that voluntarily.

  102. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    Knowledge is good, but…
    it only helps if you can do something about it. I don’t see how further knowledge of the details of elite manipulation of public opinion will weaken elite manipulation of public opinion. We already have more than enough knowledge that elites do this. How many cases of rectal cancer do you need to see to know what you are looking at?
    Our problem is that we need a Republic that can secure the rights and prosperity of a productive middle class, which in turn depends on some minimal competency of the majority of voters to form reasonably informed opinions. That competency seems to just not be there. As this is an HBD site, we can assume that genes and evolution are the culprits. What is an historian, or anyone else, going to do about that?

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    I ran out of [Agree]s for either of you, but, yes, this goes right along with what you've been writing all the time too, AD.

    Excellent!

    Kylie, how 'bout I post this on my blog? (I haven't done this a quite a while.)

    .

    BTW, gold boxes are given out here with the same rarity and randomness as Nobel Peace Prizes. They are worthless.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Thanks! You are welcome to post my comment on your blog, if you like. (I’ve been reading your blog but haven’t yet commented there simply because I haven’t yet felt I had anything worthwhile to contribute.)

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  104. Croatia (pop 4.5 million) knock out Brazil (pop 217 million) on penalties in the first World Cup quarter-final.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63830320

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It was a good day for ethnic European teams. Argentina is now a much «whiter » team than Netherlands (or France or England). Watching some of the African Dutch players lose emotional control was just embarrassing. Sad days for Holland.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  105. @Lurker
    @Anonymous


    In 2020, the Entomological Society of America voted to remove “gypsy moth” and “gypsy ant” from a list of common names used to refer to insects.
     
    Instead they will be known as the “thieving bastard moth” and “thieving bastard ant” .

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Viz magazine back in the day. After a large amount of outrage they promised to replace it with “The Nice Law-Abiding Gypsies. Episode One – “the Nice Law-Abiding Gypsy buys a tax disc for his car”.

    http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/thieving-gypsy-bastards.html

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes!

  106. @Curle
    @Jack D

    I dunno. I’ve a female friend who is very smart but simply bends over backwards to rationalize things she doesn’t want to see. She thinks Epstein was an sex abuser who just happened to have a lot of one to two degrees of separation from spies, Israeli spies in particular, and therefore the extreme consistency of his activities and associates with an honeypot operation is subjected to lots of denial as an less probable explanation than the pervert explanation.

    Where do you fall in the Epstein probability scale between spy/abuser and simple abuser?

    Replies: @Jack D

    It seems to me that Epstein was more geared to getting girls for himself than he was for getting them for with his friends (though he did that too). Someone who is in business as drug dealer doesn’t get high on his own supply. If Mossad wanted someone to run a honeypot operation they would have gotten someone gay like the KGB recruited Stephen Ward to lure Profumo.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    What a completely laughable non-argument. There have never in history been pimps who did not use their own girls because a girl is not the same thing as a bump of coke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @R.G. Camara

    , @Curle
    @Jack D

    Vanity Fair on Epsteins ‘strange’ relationship with reputed spy Les Wexner.

    “Levin had never heard of the man, Jeffrey Epstein, which was odd. After working for Wexner for seven years, Levin knew virtually every player on Wall Street (a few months earlier, Levin says, he met with arbitrageur Ivan Boesky). Levin’s skepticism was confirmed as soon as he arrived at Epstein’s Madison Avenue office. There were no visible signs of a trading operation; just Epstein sitting behind a desk that didn’t even have a computer. “Epstein was trying to explain a currency trade he wanted to do. I have an MBA from Ohio State, and I didn’t understand a word the man said,” Levin recalled. Levin went back to Columbus and reported that Epstein was a fraud. “I told Les, ‘Stay away from him,’ ”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-decades-long-relationship-with-his-biggest-client

    “Ghislaine Maxwell is hardly the only Maxwell sibling to continue their father’s controversial work for intelligence, with other siblings carrying the torch specifically for Robert Maxwell’s sizable role in the PROMIS software scandal and subsequent yet related hi-tech espionage operations.”

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-series/the-maxwell-family-business-espionage/

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    lmao. You lie pretty badly to protect your Deep State pimp Epstein there, fed.

    What's the matter? Your masters forgot to come up with a cover story?

  107. OT — Rend your garments and wail and no mercy will come to you. Lehman Brothers was less than one percent of this.
    https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1706328/Financial-crisis-FX-swap-market-central-bankers-80-trillion-crash-meltdown-BIS

  108. @Art Deco
    It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    It would be very challenging to orchestrate much of anything if the national media were not extensions of the DNC press office. We would benefit from an understanding of how that came to be.

    See Michelle Malkin's recent retirement statement. As late as 1992, when she started out in journalism, there was actual reporting being done (as opposed to 'information ops'). The social composition of the corps of reporters and editors at paper she worked for at that time was radically different than is the case today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle, @Jack D

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism – “If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then “journalism” became a profession and “journalists” went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media – they are the same people on different days.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    As far as I'm aware, journalists were not hourly employees in the era of H.L. Mencken, Dorothy Kilgallan, or when Michelle Malkin was hired. Mencken completed high school (atypical in his cohort). Kilgallan had some tertiary schooling (atypical in her cohort). Walter Cronkite, William L. Shirer, David Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow, Dave Garroway, Mike Wallace, William Manchester, Richard Strout, Joseph Alsop, and Murray Kempton all had some tertiary schooling in the pre-war era, though most did not have a degree. These were quite prominent journalists. Presumably, the locals had a run of schooling closer to the median. Recall that in the 1920s, most youths between 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @pirelli
    @Jack D


    At one time reporter was a working class occupation.
     
    I’ve seen many people say this, but I haven’t been able to find empirical support for it. I also think that US government and media have been employing the “prop agenda” for many decades now, going back to the mid-twentieth century at least.

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    So when exactly were reporters a bunch of hard-bitten, cynical guys telling it like they saw it? The 1920s and 30s? I’m just not sure that era ever existed, though there have always been some reporters around who do match that description…

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    There used to be crusty, cynical journalists as Washington editor for a big-city newspaper who would have somewhat conservative leanings. They were pretty much gone by the late 1970s.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Yeah no this was never true this is literally Silent and Boomer mythology.

  109. @Jack D
    @Curle

    It seems to me that Epstein was more geared to getting girls for himself than he was for getting them for with his friends (though he did that too). Someone who is in business as drug dealer doesn't get high on his own supply. If Mossad wanted someone to run a honeypot operation they would have gotten someone gay like the KGB recruited Stephen Ward to lure Profumo.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    What a completely laughable non-argument. There have never in history been pimps who did not use their own girls because a girl is not the same thing as a bump of coke.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    That's not true. A lot of bordellos were run as strictly businesses, and by madames, not pimps.

    Also, the dose makes the poison - if the girls spend 90% their time with you and 10% turning tricks, you are not much of a pimp. This is how a lot of the Pakistani abusers in the UK worked. They weren't really professional pimps. They would befriend a lower class white teen and now and then they would share her with their friends, maybe as a friendly gesture, maybe to raise a little extra cash on the side. Maybe over time as they grew bored with the girl, now and then became the rule rather than the exception.

    Everything I have seen indicates that Epstein first and foremost was recruiting these girls to satisfy his own wishes. If he was doing favors for Mossad (and TBH, there's no real proof of this, just a lot of hand waving and inference and "don't be naive of course he was") on the side this was incidental and not the main driver of the whole operation.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    , @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Jack D has admitted he's a fed. He runs defense for the Deep State. Hence his disinformation and lying about Epstein, a Deep State-protected blackmail-collector.

  110. Woody Allen did a great scene on misdirection. He is in a bookstore and wishes to buy a copy of Playboy. Hr tells the fellow at the cash register….”I’ll take a copy of Foreign Affairs, and Commentary, and Monthly Poetry Journal, and oh yeah, why not, also a copy of Playboy.”. (from memory.. I can’t remember the actual names of the scholarly misdirection magazines). Magicians use misdirection. And it’s not just human nature — animals use distraction of all kinds. Human nature, animal nature, it seems to be in the wiring. I guess it has survival value.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @SafeNow

    Woody Allen "Bananas" Trying to buy a nudie magazine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgYuQ4hLxo

    The same scene starting with an obcene National Review joke:

    Woody Allen - Orgasm
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyZ6UnLo44

  111. @Reg Cæsar
    Prop-agenda = Prep a gonad-- Dong appear!


    Beware the Enotic prop-agenda
    designed to induce incredenda:
    "Negroes are numinous!"
    Dongs, though, are luminous.
    Soon, one will be 'round your hacienda.


    https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/LearBig.jpg

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    You should see someone about this.

  112. @SafeNow
    Woody Allen did a great scene on misdirection. He is in a bookstore and wishes to buy a copy of Playboy. Hr tells the fellow at the cash register….”I’ll take a copy of Foreign Affairs, and Commentary, and Monthly Poetry Journal, and oh yeah, why not, also a copy of Playboy.”. (from memory.. I can’t remember the actual names of the scholarly misdirection magazines). Magicians use misdirection. And it’s not just human nature — animals use distraction of all kinds. Human nature, animal nature, it seems to be in the wiring. I guess it has survival value.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Woody Allen “Bananas” Trying to buy a nudie magazine.

    [MORE]

    The same scene starting with an obcene National Review joke:

    Woody Allen – Orgasm

  113. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    What a completely laughable non-argument. There have never in history been pimps who did not use their own girls because a girl is not the same thing as a bump of coke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @R.G. Camara

    That’s not true. A lot of bordellos were run as strictly businesses, and by madames, not pimps.

    Also, the dose makes the poison – if the girls spend 90% their time with you and 10% turning tricks, you are not much of a pimp. This is how a lot of the Pakistani abusers in the UK worked. They weren’t really professional pimps. They would befriend a lower class white teen and now and then they would share her with their friends, maybe as a friendly gesture, maybe to raise a little extra cash on the side. Maybe over time as they grew bored with the girl, now and then became the rule rather than the exception.

    Everything I have seen indicates that Epstein first and foremost was recruiting these girls to satisfy his own wishes. If he was doing favors for Mossad (and TBH, there’s no real proof of this, just a lot of hand waving and inference and “don’t be naive of course he was”) on the side this was incidental and not the main driver of the whole operation.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Jack D

    I followed the Epstein Affair closely. He used the girls for his own pleasure, giving each $200 a massage, $200 more if they brought another girl. Some names have been thrown out but no firm evidence of Epstein "giving girls" to his more famous acquaintances has emerged.

    When the MSM finally started covering Epstein, they tried to make it about Trump through his Labor Secretary Acosta who had been the U.S. Attorney over the "sweetheart" plea deal. What the MSM didn't say was the Palm Beach DA, who should have tried it in state court, refused to prosecute. This forced the Palm Beach Police to go to the FBI and U.S. Attorney, were the case was harder to make.

    Bill Clinton had been closer to Epstein than Donald Trump. The funny thing is the story would not have broke and Epstein would not have been charged if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016.

    Do you think the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, who would have been a Clinton loyalist, would have filed charges if the Clintons were in the White House?

    , @Curle
    @Jack D

    See this?

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-series/the-maxwell-family-business-espionage/

    Or this?

    https://www.inkl.com/news/sex-offender-epstein-taped-famous-guests-for-blackmail

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Jack D

    lol. JackD, trying to gaslight the obvious about Epstein, is hilarious and giving himself away as a Deep State disinformation spreader.

  114. @PeterIke
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

     

    To a great extent, yes. The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln, the perennial First Place winner in every poll. They still seem to give Washington props, but I suspect he will fade. Probably the second worst President, FDR, is routinely very high up as well. Past favorite, the worthless Woodrow Wilson, is dropping because racism, the new most important factor.

    The worthless piece of garbage Lyndon Johnson also tends to rank high, because black people. And any list that doesn't have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    And any list that doesn’t have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.

    Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. “Diversity is our strength!”

    Imagine had melanin stopped at Georgia. A big “No” to Jackson.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    #1 The settlement by whites (and therefore the displacement of the Indians) of the South outside the original 13 colonies was inevitable. There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.

    #2 Given the political and economic realities of the time, wherever white Southerners settled they were going to bring the slave system with them. Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.

    When you put #1 and #2 together, whether Jackson sent the Cherokees onto the Trail of Tears or not had no influence on the ultimate outcome. Viewed by Martians, the entire Columbian experiment was a exercise in getting rid of the Indians who had come over from Siberia thousand of years ago and replacing them with Africans, with whites present only for a short time in between. In some places the replacement was only partial and in other places (parts of the Caribbean) it was 100%.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. “Diversity is our strength!”

    Jackson cleared out the tribes who stood in the way of settlement of properties that had been tied up in legal disputes arising from the Yazoo Land Scandal (starting 1789) which mostly preceded the cotton boom. Settlers were initially involved in all forms of agricultural production. Cotton accelerated settlement. Settlers outnumbered slaves. https://www.legendsofamerica.com/yazoo-land-scandal/

    “The Tennessee River Valley, with its fertile soil and the Tennessee River providing transportation to the New Orleans market, quickly grew to one of the wealthiest cotton regions of the old South. Originally settled by small farmers, Madison County quickly grew into a plantation society.23 By 1816, it was the most populous county in the state, with 10,000 white settlers, and 4,200 slaves noted in the census.24”

    https://ahc.alabama.gov/architecturalprogramsPDFs/History%20of%20Agriculture%20in%20Alabama.pdf

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  115. In a rare on topic comment, How about this for prop-agenda.

    If the angel of death has you by the balls after you took the clot-shot, It’s because I told you not to do it.

    This biological mechanism (the constriction of veins, arteries and vessels under mental stress) is the most likely cause for where there has been blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, dizziness, fainting, blurred vision, loss of smell and taste that may have been experienced shortly after vaccine administration. The extreme mental stress of the patient could most likely be attributed to the fear mongering and scare tactics used by various anti-vaccination groups.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36381188/

  116. @Reg Cæsar
    @PeterIke


    And any list that doesn’t have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.
     
    Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. "Diversity is our strength!"

    Imagine had melanin stopped at Georgia. A big "No" to Jackson.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    #1 The settlement by whites (and therefore the displacement of the Indians) of the South outside the original 13 colonies was inevitable. There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.

    #2 Given the political and economic realities of the time, wherever white Southerners settled they were going to bring the slave system with them. Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.

    When you put #1 and #2 together, whether Jackson sent the Cherokees onto the Trail of Tears or not had no influence on the ultimate outcome. Viewed by Martians, the entire Columbian experiment was a exercise in getting rid of the Indians who had come over from Siberia thousand of years ago and replacing them with Africans, with whites present only for a short time in between. In some places the replacement was only partial and in other places (parts of the Caribbean) it was 100%.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.
     
    They could have stayed and remained the minority. That happened everywhere else, at least west of the Mississippi.

    Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.
     
    "Either there were going to be blacks throughout the South or no whites at all." That's essentially what you're saying.


    Change "liquor" to "diversity", and Young Abe nails it:

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-liquor-may-have-its-defenders-but-it-has-no-defense-abraham-lincoln-137-24-46.jpg

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/665ef6b7d403fe8130ef3dd7d570edf6/tumblr_p3au5pzfJi1uaxri9o1_1280.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

  117. @San Fernando Curt
    @Jack D

    There have been a lot of not-so spectacular attacks on power/utility sites this year in Washington and Oregon - and looks a LOT like the work of climate fanatics (especially in lack of success - they're better gluing themselves to Vermeers).

    Replies: @Jack D

    They are not saying this out loud, but one the reasons that they suspect the NC attack to have been an attack by (right wing) white men is because it was actually effective.

  118. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    Why do you speak on things of which you are utterly ignorant?
    Honestly. You don’t need to. Suffice it to say Eno’s influence on popular music is impossible to quantify.
    Apparently you see a name you associate with the left/postmodernism and feel the need to signal your disdain for it. Who cares about the details?
    The result is embarrassing.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Dennis Dale

    All that pretentious phony soul-less metrosexual English shit sucks.

  119. @Wilkey

    Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.
     
    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.

    It’s a sad reflection upon the nation, that a guy who really went all out to elbow his way to the top and stake his claim to “Worse President Ever”, has to contend with his own father’s appallingly destructive performance with the 1990 Immigration Act.

    I mean, where’s the upward mobility? What’s a boy gotta do?

  120. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Every action that is a (possible) right wing action and which makes the right wing look bad gets denounced as a false flag attack here before the ink is even dry on the headline.

    Now of course, the Left does something similar - the Carolina attack was somehow assumed to be a right wing attack and tied to an LGBT show that happened to be going on at the same time, with zero evidence that there was any relationship at all. A LOT of things were going on at that hour. Maybe there was a church service going on somewhere too - a temporal relationship is extremely weak sauce.

    But all that calling "false flag" with zero evidence does is create an echo chamber of stupidity. How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation before denouncing right wingers and glowies and ecoterrorists based on nothing but jumping to conclusions. It only makes you look stupid later when your premature conclusions turn out to be completely wrong.

    If I had to guess right now who did it, I would guess "disgruntled employee" who is neither a left wing nor a right wing terrorist nor a glowie. But really it's way too soon to accuse anyone. Of course if the cops spend all their efforts pursuing supposed right wingers, then they may never catch the actual perp(s).

    Usually if you are a terrorist you want attention for your cause so you attack some media capital. No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there so my guess is that this is something that relates to a local grievance and they weren't thinking about the weather at all. This time of year in NC it goes down to 40F at night so you won't freeze to death but you won't be comfortable either.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @AnotherDad, @newrouter

    No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there …

    … and golfers.

    This could be the first known case of anti-golf-course architecture terrorism.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    > The demographic that is destroying this country

    If men are the superior defenders of a nation (as I believe), then it is the fault of men and not women when the country fails. Yes, our nation is set up to make it difficult for men to lead, but this doesn’t change where the responsibility lies.

  122. @Guest007
    @anonymous

    women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. In pharmacy, the gap is statistically irrelevant along with much of healthcare. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours in jobs that working long hours pays more (think law) or men work in dangerous jobs in bad environments (think petroleum engineer).

    Replies: @megabar

    > women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours

    I have a hypothesis that for some jobs, if things were perfectly fair, you’d find that men are paid more for the same job. Why? Because in some jobs — specifically math-oriented ones — there are a higher percentage of men who are highly qualified.

    Imagine that you hired only people 6′ or taller, and you had different ranks for different heights. So, people 6’0″-6’3″ are entry level, 6’3″-6’5″ are grade 2, and so on.

    Because of the bell curve, not only would there be more men at grade 2 and above, the average man in the entry level position would be taller than the average women in the entry level position. Thus, men would be paid more at every job level.

    It looks like bias, but it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @megabar


    It looks like bias, but it isn’t.
     
    It's systemic sexism. As is true of all standards.

    Disparate people = disparate impact

    , @Guest007
    @megabar

    The 27% does not make for any allowances and is just a comparison of mean female pay versus mean male pay. However, since there are more women in early children education and more men in petroleum engineering, mean make more than women, overall. However, when comparing career choices, men take jobs that get a premium for being math oriented, not being 8-5, or being dangerous. The people who climb up antenna or windmills are men. I have never seen a woman lowered into a manhole in the middle of the street.

  123. @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, that is the demographic that is destroying the country. It's getting a lot of help from another demographic, same sex, same race, but older. They are all so proud to stand in solidarity with all the victims of all the isms.

    With little more than lots of self-righteous nagging and invariably supporting the wrong candidates, policies and laws, they have critically, perhaps fatally, weakened Western Civilization. No, I'm not exaggerating.

    Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mike Tre

    “Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen? ”

    Well at the time they may have been thinking they’d get laid more often.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mike Tre


    Well at the time they may have been thinking they’d get laid more often.
     
    Always a mistake. Women respect us more when we don't give in for that reason. They instinctively see guys who give in to get laid as losers, because they are.

    In a free society, the woman chooses her man*, and everything works better when the man is just what he truly is -- instead of pretending to be something else. If you want to get laid more, if that is a problem for you, then think about what you can do to really improve yourself, not how you can please women. Know the difference, because they can see it.

    *It is my thesis that the woman selects the man, more often than we guys want to admit. What happens is that guys mistakenly think they can win over women even if it is obvious that "she is not that into you." Part of the secret to successful dating, etc. is simply being able to see when a girl finds you desirable. If you can see that she obviously doesn't, then don't waste your time (or hers!) Some other woman will want you, and she is the one you should go after. As I say, in this way the woman selects the man.

  124. @J.Ross
    So Eno's coining a clever-sounding synonym for misdirection, or Mao's dog's peppers, or the Overton window? We already have words for that. After the lockdown, everyone worth saving knows about Mao's dog's peppers.
    The boomer lack of familiarity with propaganda ("propaganda" = Triumph of the Will or Battleship Potëmkin and not, say, Twitter with its fed staff) would be less sad if deceitful Soviet-style propaganda operations were not legal in the United States thanks to Barack Obama. So they were trained to find only one type and they're still blind. But they love eating those peppers though.
    OT -- Sam Brinton in legal trouble for stealing a woman's suitcase. Again. First time was in Minnesota, this was in Nevada. IN THE HISTORY OF CRIME HAS THERE EVER BEEN A CASE WHERE THE PERP EFFECTIVELY DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO TELEGRAPHING A PLANNED FUTURE OFFENSE AND yeah let's give him a top federal post, that makes sense.
    Power outages from station attacks are looking like glowie ops or ecoterrorists. We are asked to believe that right-wing extremists want rural and suburban white property owners in deep red states (or red areas) to be without power, while nothing happens to NYC, DC, Baltimore or Chicago. There's just not enough angry conservative gun owners near Austin or Boulder to do this. Also, none of the threats are "real" -- the bastard move would be to take out the heat in winter. Ah, but you say, isn't it winter, and wasn't the second attack far up north? Not really. Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze -- and neither does Oregon or Washington. Chicago freezes, New York freezes. Montana and the Dakotas freeze. All these power attacks were funny. There's further funniness. Apparently the attackers were not content to snipe, they actually used heavy equipment to destroy the gate and do lots of gratuitous nonsense far beyond the budget of a guerrilla. They also were careful to not collect brass.
    They probably put fingerprints everywhere.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch, @ben tillman, @Jack D, @ATate

    > Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze — and neither does Oregon or Washington

    We average about 50” of snow a year. Just had the the 6th snowiest November in 141 years in eastern WA.

    It really is two very distinct regions in this state. We’re the racist meth side, please stay away.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @ATate

    They freeze but they don't hard freeze.

  125. In the prior thread I reported on claims that Biden chose Briner over Whelan:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chatgpt-would-have-aced-the-old-sat/#comment-5698524

    Here are more data supporting the claim. A despicable, shameful action.

    https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-worst-trade-in-history-a-timeline?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @New Dealer


    A despicable, shameful action.
     
    True. But it made the stupid black lesbian doofus who is WH press secretary happy, so who are you to complain? Peasant! /sarc
  126. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    Second from the left with the specs: Now we know what the carnal* child of Woody Allen and Barbara Streisand would look like.

    *I’ll not defile the word love with what that event would reflect.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  127. @megabar
    @Guest007

    > women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours

    I have a hypothesis that for some jobs, if things were perfectly fair, you'd find that men are paid more for the same job. Why? Because in some jobs -- specifically math-oriented ones -- there are a higher percentage of men who are highly qualified.

    Imagine that you hired only people 6' or taller, and you had different ranks for different heights. So, people 6'0"-6'3" are entry level, 6'3"-6'5" are grade 2, and so on.

    Because of the bell curve, not only would there be more men at grade 2 and above, the average man in the entry level position would be taller than the average women in the entry level position. Thus, men would be paid more at every job level.

    It looks like bias, but it isn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    It looks like bias, but it isn’t.

    It’s systemic sexism. As is true of all standards.

    Disparate people = disparate impact

  128. The Ukraine-good/Russia-bad/Putin-Putler-Hitler narrative is pure prop-agenda.

    The question of which set of Slavic oligarchs rules Ukraine does not present any existential risk to the USA. The actual existential risk from which World (Good) War III is deflecting is that in one more generation the US will be Brazil + 100 million, or Lebanon x 50.

    The US will no longer be in the Countries That Really Matter Club, just like Brazil and Lebanon don’t really matter. There won’t be enough straight Anglo-Celts left in the military spear-tip positions. There won’t be enough white people left to pay the taxes or spread around the public schools to keep them from pure chaos.

    The elites are smart enough to know all this; they just plan on retreating behind stacks of money like the elite do in Brazil. (In Lebanon they have to leave the country once they get too wealthy).

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They’ll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They’ll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    In the meantime, everybody just needs to get out their checkbooks and write a check directly to the Ukrainian government because this is Hitler invading Poland all over again. Otherwise next it’s Belarus, the Fulda Gap, France, and then Putin just builds a human land bridge across the Atlantic and marches up the Jersey Shore. And by the way there’s nothing–absolutely nothing–going on at the southern border right now.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They’ll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They’ll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    This is a caricature. Northern Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and the poorer Central American states are in wretched shape (though Colombia and Guatemala are in better shape than used to be the case). However,

    Homicide rates in recent years in Latin America are as follows (that in the U.S. prior to the Floydopalooza was just north of 5 per 100,000; that in 1980 north of 10)

    Argentina: 5.2 per 100,000
    Bolivia: 6.4
    Chile: 4.4
    Costa Rica: 11.7
    Dominican Republic: 10
    Ecuador: 5.8
    Nicaragua: 7
    Panama: 10
    Paraguay: 7.8
    Peru: 7.7
    Uruguay: 11


    Right now, seven of twenty Latin American countries have double-digit inflation. About three have inflation rates that people who experienced the 1966-82 inflation in the US have not experienced.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Anon

  129. @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    To believe that you have to believe that most of the world, including people like Orban and Putin, were trying to prevent Trump’s re-election. You also have to believe conversely that Sweden was working to get Trump re-elected.

  130. @YetAnotherAnon
    Croatia (pop 4.5 million) knock out Brazil (pop 217 million) on penalties in the first World Cup quarter-final.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63830320

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    It was a good day for ethnic European teams. Argentina is now a much «whiter » team than Netherlands (or France or England). Watching some of the African Dutch players lose emotional control was just embarrassing. Sad days for Holland.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I’m at the point where I just cheer for the whitest team, period. There’s no point in cheering for a “Dutch” or “English” team when so many of the players aren’t Dutch or English. I’d rather see a team like Croatia win, especially since the open borders scammers use winning soccer games as an excuse to justify the invasion of our countries.

  131. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism - "If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then "journalism" became a profession and "journalists" went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media - they are the same people on different days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @pirelli, @David In TN, @J.Ross

    As far as I’m aware, journalists were not hourly employees in the era of H.L. Mencken, Dorothy Kilgallan, or when Michelle Malkin was hired. Mencken completed high school (atypical in his cohort). Kilgallan had some tertiary schooling (atypical in her cohort). Walter Cronkite, William L. Shirer, David Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow, Dave Garroway, Mike Wallace, William Manchester, Richard Strout, Joseph Alsop, and Murray Kempton all had some tertiary schooling in the pre-war era, though most did not have a degree. These were quite prominent journalists. Presumably, the locals had a run of schooling closer to the median. Recall that in the 1920s, most youths between 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Obviously reporters would have been from the more literate end of the working class. There were always working class positions that involved literacy. Scrivener, court reporter, etc. I don't know whether reporters were paid hourly or on salary or by the word but they did not live high on the hog.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  132. @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    I’m not 100% sure the “whole thing” was orchestrated or planned, but I think very early on the threat was exaggerated and the reaction in the west was hijacked for that reason. I’m 100% certain of that.

    The left was especially excited to roll out election “safety measures” based on that pretense, which still haven’t been rolled back.

  133. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The Ukraine-good/Russia-bad/Putin-Putler-Hitler narrative is pure prop-agenda.

    The question of which set of Slavic oligarchs rules Ukraine does not present any existential risk to the USA. The actual existential risk from which World (Good) War III is deflecting is that in one more generation the US will be Brazil + 100 million, or Lebanon x 50.

    The US will no longer be in the Countries That Really Matter Club, just like Brazil and Lebanon don't really matter. There won't be enough straight Anglo-Celts left in the military spear-tip positions. There won't be enough white people left to pay the taxes or spread around the public schools to keep them from pure chaos.

    The elites are smart enough to know all this; they just plan on retreating behind stacks of money like the elite do in Brazil. (In Lebanon they have to leave the country once they get too wealthy).

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They'll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They'll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    In the meantime, everybody just needs to get out their checkbooks and write a check directly to the Ukrainian government because this is Hitler invading Poland all over again. Otherwise next it's Belarus, the Fulda Gap, France, and then Putin just builds a human land bridge across the Atlantic and marches up the Jersey Shore. And by the way there's nothing--absolutely nothing--going on at the southern border right now.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They’ll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They’ll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    This is a caricature. Northern Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and the poorer Central American states are in wretched shape (though Colombia and Guatemala are in better shape than used to be the case). However,

    Homicide rates in recent years in Latin America are as follows (that in the U.S. prior to the Floydopalooza was just north of 5 per 100,000; that in 1980 north of 10)

    Argentina: 5.2 per 100,000
    Bolivia: 6.4
    Chile: 4.4
    Costa Rica: 11.7
    Dominican Republic: 10
    Ecuador: 5.8
    Nicaragua: 7
    Panama: 10
    Paraguay: 7.8
    Peru: 7.7
    Uruguay: 11

    Right now, seven of twenty Latin American countries have double-digit inflation. About three have inflation rates that people who experienced the 1966-82 inflation in the US have not experienced.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    Art Deco: "Come on, man! It won't be that bad--only as bad as Panama, tops!"

    But the real point, Art, is that it won't be as good as we had it, and failed to preserve. Because people like you think the real failing is those niggardly whites just refuse to pay enough taxes so every black and latino can have their own personal Fr. Flanagan.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Anon
    @Art Deco

    Derb’s bolthole is second worst of the bunch!

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Feeling chivalrous:

    nope nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope nope would nope nope would nope nope nope nope would nope nope nope nope
     
    Nah. That would be a failure in your male programming to spread your seed.

    There's a smattering of noticeably ugly gals and no obvious "wow, she's cute!" girls, which gives the pic a quick overall unattractive vibe. But realistically, it's mostly a group of pretty average looking younger women.

    It's what's in their heads that's ugly.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But realistically, it’s mostly a group of pretty average looking younger women.

    It’s what’s in their heads that’s ugly.

    I accounted for that in my reassessment. Only one made the cut.

  135. The Ukraine-good/Russia-bad/Putin-Putler-Hitler narrative is pure prop-agenda.

    Except that’s not the narrative.

    VP, just to remind you, was promoting the notion that the Ukraine had to be cleansed of Nazis.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    Except that’s not the narrative. VP, just to remind you, was promoting the notion that the Ukraine had to be cleansed of Nazis.

    You know, it should be easy to browse any source or aggregator--MSN, NYT, WSJ, LA Times, Yahoo, The Economist, Marginal Revolution (a 100% reliable barometer of elite thought)--and find all those articles advancing the narrative that the Ukraine is full of Nazis who need to be cleansed. I'll wait.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  136. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They’ll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They’ll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    This is a caricature. Northern Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and the poorer Central American states are in wretched shape (though Colombia and Guatemala are in better shape than used to be the case). However,

    Homicide rates in recent years in Latin America are as follows (that in the U.S. prior to the Floydopalooza was just north of 5 per 100,000; that in 1980 north of 10)

    Argentina: 5.2 per 100,000
    Bolivia: 6.4
    Chile: 4.4
    Costa Rica: 11.7
    Dominican Republic: 10
    Ecuador: 5.8
    Nicaragua: 7
    Panama: 10
    Paraguay: 7.8
    Peru: 7.7
    Uruguay: 11


    Right now, seven of twenty Latin American countries have double-digit inflation. About three have inflation rates that people who experienced the 1966-82 inflation in the US have not experienced.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Anon

    Art Deco: “Come on, man! It won’t be that bad–only as bad as Panama, tops!”

    But the real point, Art, is that it won’t be as good as we had it, and failed to preserve. Because people like you think the real failing is those niggardly whites just refuse to pay enough taxes so every black and latino can have their own personal Fr. Flanagan.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Come on, man! It won’t be that bad–only as bad as Panama, tops!”

    That's not what I said. I said you've caricatured Latin America. Which you have.



    Because people like you think the real failing is those niggardly whites just refuse to pay enough taxes so every black and latino can have their own personal Fr. Flanagan.

    I've told you what I think, and it isn't that. You don't listen.

  137. @Art Deco
    The Ukraine-good/Russia-bad/Putin-Putler-Hitler narrative is pure prop-agenda.

    Except that's not the narrative.

    VP, just to remind you, was promoting the notion that the Ukraine had to be cleansed of Nazis.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Except that’s not the narrative. VP, just to remind you, was promoting the notion that the Ukraine had to be cleansed of Nazis.

    You know, it should be easy to browse any source or aggregator–MSN, NYT, WSJ, LA Times, Yahoo, The Economist, Marginal Revolution (a 100% reliable barometer of elite thought)–and find all those articles advancing the narrative that the Ukraine is full of Nazis who need to be cleansed. I’ll wait.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “It is not surprising that Ukrainian society was faced with the rise of far-right nationalism, which rapidly developed into aggressive Russophobia and neo-Nazism”—Vlady Putin

  138. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism - "If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then "journalism" became a profession and "journalists" went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media - they are the same people on different days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @pirelli, @David In TN, @J.Ross

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation.

    I’ve seen many people say this, but I haven’t been able to find empirical support for it. I also think that US government and media have been employing the “prop agenda” for many decades now, going back to the mid-twentieth century at least.

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    So when exactly were reporters a bunch of hard-bitten, cynical guys telling it like they saw it? The 1920s and 30s? I’m just not sure that era ever existed, though there have always been some reporters around who do match that description…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @pirelli

    Screenwriter Ben Hecht, co-author of "The Front Page" (aka "His Girl Friday") is probably most responsible for the view of old-time reporters as ill-mannered boors. He became a Chicago reporter at age 16 in 1910. But keep in mind that he was from an affluent Jewish family in Wisconsin and had entered the U. of Wisconsin at age 16 and immediately pledged to a fraternity. But then he decided he didn't like college. In terms of social class, he was probably similar to contemporary journalists.

    So, I dunno.

    , @Art Deco
    @pirelli

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    Chomsky and Herman were cheesed that no one outside of Eurotrash university campuses takes them terribly seriously, so concocted an 'explanation' for that.

    , @Corvinus
    @pirelli

    “In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.“

    And conservative publications and the Alt Right doesn’t engage in this behavior?

  139. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism - "If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then "journalism" became a profession and "journalists" went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media - they are the same people on different days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @pirelli, @David In TN, @J.Ross

    There used to be crusty, cynical journalists as Washington editor for a big-city newspaper who would have somewhat conservative leanings. They were pretty much gone by the late 1970s.

  140. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    That's not true. A lot of bordellos were run as strictly businesses, and by madames, not pimps.

    Also, the dose makes the poison - if the girls spend 90% their time with you and 10% turning tricks, you are not much of a pimp. This is how a lot of the Pakistani abusers in the UK worked. They weren't really professional pimps. They would befriend a lower class white teen and now and then they would share her with their friends, maybe as a friendly gesture, maybe to raise a little extra cash on the side. Maybe over time as they grew bored with the girl, now and then became the rule rather than the exception.

    Everything I have seen indicates that Epstein first and foremost was recruiting these girls to satisfy his own wishes. If he was doing favors for Mossad (and TBH, there's no real proof of this, just a lot of hand waving and inference and "don't be naive of course he was") on the side this was incidental and not the main driver of the whole operation.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    I followed the Epstein Affair closely. He used the girls for his own pleasure, giving each $200 a massage, $200 more if they brought another girl. Some names have been thrown out but no firm evidence of Epstein “giving girls” to his more famous acquaintances has emerged.

    When the MSM finally started covering Epstein, they tried to make it about Trump through his Labor Secretary Acosta who had been the U.S. Attorney over the “sweetheart” plea deal. What the MSM didn’t say was the Palm Beach DA, who should have tried it in state court, refused to prosecute. This forced the Palm Beach Police to go to the FBI and U.S. Attorney, were the case was harder to make.

    Bill Clinton had been closer to Epstein than Donald Trump. The funny thing is the story would not have broke and Epstein would not have been charged if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016.

    Do you think the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, who would have been a Clinton loyalist, would have filed charges if the Clintons were in the White House?

  141. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    Except that’s not the narrative. VP, just to remind you, was promoting the notion that the Ukraine had to be cleansed of Nazis.

    You know, it should be easy to browse any source or aggregator--MSN, NYT, WSJ, LA Times, Yahoo, The Economist, Marginal Revolution (a 100% reliable barometer of elite thought)--and find all those articles advancing the narrative that the Ukraine is full of Nazis who need to be cleansed. I'll wait.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It is not surprising that Ukrainian society was faced with the rise of far-right nationalism, which rapidly developed into aggressive Russophobia and neo-Nazism”—Vlady Putin

  142. Who gives af what some Russian says other than Ellis Island-Americans with one foot back in the Pale? Find me the USG/MSM advancing the Ukrainians = Nazis narrative.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I find it hard to understand people who either misinterpret or are oblivious of Putin's main ideas. Putin was perfectly clear about his view of history, European & Russian identity.

    Putin’s “thoughts” are- if he is sincere – these:

    Russia is neither “white” nor non-white. He doesn’t think in these categories. For instance, he’s constantly drumming against Western imperialism, which he thinks began with the Age of Exploration.

    His chief devil is not very well defined, but it seems to be a combination of Western Christianity (Catholicism & Protestantism) & now, perhaps, Anglo-Saxonistan which is, in his fantasies, dominated by WASPs. It is not clear how he treats other Europeans, but his image of the West is confusing- it seems that “West” is a combination of Poles, French, Germans & Swedes, Russia’s historical invaders; on the other hand, he easily switches between centuries & mixes the 17th C with the 21st C.

    Putin’s narrative is also contradictory. It is not clear whether historical invaders of Russia (Poles, French, Germans) are now the threatening & potentially Russia-conquering West, or just puppets of the global WASP power. Anyway, all Western Christians, from the Portuguese to the English, are racists. Putin’s version of the contemporary world is that “good guys” are colored races (China, India, Africa, blacks in the US,..). Russia, in his view, is not “white” (whatever this may mean).

    As far as religious culture goes, Western Christianity is the enemy. It is only Eastern, Orthodox Christianity that he thinks of “defending”. Also, his reinterpretation of history is laughable: he states that historical “friends”, buddies in Russia are Eastern Orthodox, Jews and Muslims (with a smattering of Buddhists).

    For anyone who knows anything about the history of Russia- this is absurd. Before Communism, Jews and Muslims were considered irreconcilable aliens & enemies. He’s lying about trivial facts.

    Then, his fantasies about WASPs, now, have nothing to do with reality. He fantasizes that TG, gay & Globohomo ideology is basically WASPy, or “white” tool for domination over colored races, Russia & a sword wielded by US “whites” to conquer the world & to exploit it.

    Globohomo ideology is, in his definition, the invention of globalist Anglo-Saxonists to subdue Africans, Asians & other coloreds- and, of course, Russia, which is a natural ally of the East and South.

    His world-view is simply idiotic.

    It can be easily decoded if one reads his last speech & watches short videos (when he says, in translation, Christianity, he means only Eastern Orthodoxy; also, when he talks about races, and white race especially, he doesn’t include Russians in the definition).

    https://konstantinkisin.substack.com/p/putin-the-end-of-western-hegemony?sd=pf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQm6JNYH1Z0

    Putin’s core world-view is that of an Eastern Orthodox Euro-Asian Jihadist- basically, this is the same as Dugin- consumed with hatred of not just post-modern Globohomo West, but of the historical European identity.

    He doesn’t think in terms of “liberating” Europe from “WASP racist/imperialist/Globohomo yoke”. This ethnic-cultural point of view is completely alien to him.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  143. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Who gives af what some Russian says other than Ellis Island-Americans with one foot back in the Pale? Find me the USG/MSM advancing the Ukrainians = Nazis narrative.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    I find it hard to understand people who either misinterpret or are oblivious of Putin’s main ideas. Putin was perfectly clear about his view of history, European & Russian identity.

    Putin’s “thoughts” are- if he is sincere – these:

    Russia is neither “white” nor non-white. He doesn’t think in these categories. For instance, he’s constantly drumming against Western imperialism, which he thinks began with the Age of Exploration.

    His chief devil is not very well defined, but it seems to be a combination of Western Christianity (Catholicism & Protestantism) & now, perhaps, Anglo-Saxonistan which is, in his fantasies, dominated by WASPs. It is not clear how he treats other Europeans, but his image of the West is confusing- it seems that “West” is a combination of Poles, French, Germans & Swedes, Russia’s historical invaders; on the other hand, he easily switches between centuries & mixes the 17th C with the 21st C.

    Putin’s narrative is also contradictory. It is not clear whether historical invaders of Russia (Poles, French, Germans) are now the threatening & potentially Russia-conquering West, or just puppets of the global WASP power. Anyway, all Western Christians, from the Portuguese to the English, are racists. Putin’s version of the contemporary world is that “good guys” are colored races (China, India, Africa, blacks in the US,..). Russia, in his view, is not “white” (whatever this may mean).

    As far as religious culture goes, Western Christianity is the enemy. It is only Eastern, Orthodox Christianity that he thinks of “defending”. Also, his reinterpretation of history is laughable: he states that historical “friends”, buddies in Russia are Eastern Orthodox, Jews and Muslims (with a smattering of Buddhists).

    For anyone who knows anything about the history of Russia- this is absurd. Before Communism, Jews and Muslims were considered irreconcilable aliens & enemies. He’s lying about trivial facts.

    Then, his fantasies about WASPs, now, have nothing to do with reality. He fantasizes that TG, gay & Globohomo ideology is basically WASPy, or “white” tool for domination over colored races, Russia & a sword wielded by US “whites” to conquer the world & to exploit it.

    Globohomo ideology is, in his definition, the invention of globalist Anglo-Saxonists to subdue Africans, Asians & other coloreds- and, of course, Russia, which is a natural ally of the East and South.

    His world-view is simply idiotic.

    It can be easily decoded if one reads his last speech & watches short videos (when he says, in translation, Christianity, he means only Eastern Orthodoxy; also, when he talks about races, and white race especially, he doesn’t include Russians in the definition).

    https://konstantinkisin.substack.com/p/putin-the-end-of-western-hegemony?sd=pf

    Putin’s core world-view is that of an Eastern Orthodox Euro-Asian Jihadist- basically, this is the same as Dugin- consumed with hatred of not just post-modern Globohomo West, but of the historical European identity.

    He doesn’t think in terms of “liberating” Europe from “WASP racist/imperialist/Globohomo yoke”. This ethnic-cultural point of view is completely alien to him.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I really don't give a f*** what Putin or Russians think. I'm Anglo-American, not European. The Old World can fight its own fights and blow each other up every couple of decades like they've been doing since pre-history. Russians and Ukrainians strike me as uncouth, low-trust, unintelligent people and I want them kept over there.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Bardon Kaldian

  144. @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    Whenever I feel old, I come here and instantly feel better. This site probably has the oldest median commenter age on the internet

    Replies: @anonymous

    Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Eno’s ten years older than me. “Some kind of love” is a cruddy song.

  145. @Mike Tre
    @Kylie

    "Nice work, white guys. You handed them the reins. What did hell did you think was going to happen? "

    Well at the time they may have been thinking they'd get laid more often.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Well at the time they may have been thinking they’d get laid more often.

    Always a mistake. Women respect us more when we don’t give in for that reason. They instinctively see guys who give in to get laid as losers, because they are.

    In a free society, the woman chooses her man*, and everything works better when the man is just what he truly is — instead of pretending to be something else. If you want to get laid more, if that is a problem for you, then think about what you can do to really improve yourself, not how you can please women. Know the difference, because they can see it.

    *It is my thesis that the woman selects the man, more often than we guys want to admit. What happens is that guys mistakenly think they can win over women even if it is obvious that “she is not that into you.” Part of the secret to successful dating, etc. is simply being able to see when a girl finds you desirable. If you can see that she obviously doesn’t, then don’t waste your time (or hers!) Some other woman will want you, and she is the one you should go after. As I say, in this way the woman selects the man.

  146. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The white American middle class are going to end up like the vestigial Spaniards in South America. They’ll get advertising flyers for kidnap insurance and spiked walls. They’ll wake up one day and poof, the value of their savings have been halved overnight. Then quartered by the evening.

    This is a caricature. Northern Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and the poorer Central American states are in wretched shape (though Colombia and Guatemala are in better shape than used to be the case). However,

    Homicide rates in recent years in Latin America are as follows (that in the U.S. prior to the Floydopalooza was just north of 5 per 100,000; that in 1980 north of 10)

    Argentina: 5.2 per 100,000
    Bolivia: 6.4
    Chile: 4.4
    Costa Rica: 11.7
    Dominican Republic: 10
    Ecuador: 5.8
    Nicaragua: 7
    Panama: 10
    Paraguay: 7.8
    Peru: 7.7
    Uruguay: 11


    Right now, seven of twenty Latin American countries have double-digit inflation. About three have inflation rates that people who experienced the 1966-82 inflation in the US have not experienced.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Anon

    Derb’s bolthole is second worst of the bunch!

  147. @pirelli
    @Jack D


    At one time reporter was a working class occupation.
     
    I’ve seen many people say this, but I haven’t been able to find empirical support for it. I also think that US government and media have been employing the “prop agenda” for many decades now, going back to the mid-twentieth century at least.

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    So when exactly were reporters a bunch of hard-bitten, cynical guys telling it like they saw it? The 1920s and 30s? I’m just not sure that era ever existed, though there have always been some reporters around who do match that description…

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    Screenwriter Ben Hecht, co-author of “The Front Page” (aka “His Girl Friday”) is probably most responsible for the view of old-time reporters as ill-mannered boors. He became a Chicago reporter at age 16 in 1910. But keep in mind that he was from an affluent Jewish family in Wisconsin and had entered the U. of Wisconsin at age 16 and immediately pledged to a fraternity. But then he decided he didn’t like college. In terms of social class, he was probably similar to contemporary journalists.

    So, I dunno.

  148. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Every action that is a (possible) right wing action and which makes the right wing look bad gets denounced as a false flag attack here before the ink is even dry on the headline.

    Now of course, the Left does something similar - the Carolina attack was somehow assumed to be a right wing attack and tied to an LGBT show that happened to be going on at the same time, with zero evidence that there was any relationship at all. A LOT of things were going on at that hour. Maybe there was a church service going on somewhere too - a temporal relationship is extremely weak sauce.

    But all that calling "false flag" with zero evidence does is create an echo chamber of stupidity. How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation before denouncing right wingers and glowies and ecoterrorists based on nothing but jumping to conclusions. It only makes you look stupid later when your premature conclusions turn out to be completely wrong.

    If I had to guess right now who did it, I would guess "disgruntled employee" who is neither a left wing nor a right wing terrorist nor a glowie. But really it's way too soon to accuse anyone. Of course if the cops spend all their efforts pursuing supposed right wingers, then they may never catch the actual perp(s).

    Usually if you are a terrorist you want attention for your cause so you attack some media capital. No one has ever heard of Pinehurst, NC except for the people who live there so my guess is that this is something that relates to a local grievance and they weren't thinking about the weather at all. This time of year in NC it goes down to 40F at night so you won't freeze to death but you won't be comfortable either.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @AnotherDad, @newrouter

    “How about everyone shut up and wait for the investigation”

    Any results from the Las Vegas shooter investigation?

    • Thanks: Sam Malone
  149. The link takes us to a 2003 piece by Eno in the Guardian contrasting Soviet media under Brezhnev (“we knew it was propaganda”) with the news manipulation in the year before the Iraq war. But even at the time this was not tremendously insightful. Anyone with a brain could see that the war was a done deal while the charade of UN resolutions, parliamentary votes and second UN resolutions was still in progress.

    Contrast it with the Covid crisis. In the summer of 2020, it seemed that drastic measures against an unprecedented emergency had worked and that normality was returning. Then – Gamma, Delta, Epsilon… Christmas is cancelled, can Christmas be saved… Vaccines at last, double jabbed, booster jabs…

    The novelty at work here is propaganda aimed at governments. In Britain we were treated to regular televised cabinet briefings by the Chief Medical Officer displaying Cliffs notes telling us that “R > 1” and so on. Er – Deaths or cases? With Covid or of it? Who did they sample? Six months in, it became fairly clear that the cabinet itself was acting on these bullet points and had not thought to ask.

    Politicians used to have their speeches written for them, but now it is the policy making too. The real problem is not experts as such, but the practice of governments binding themselves in advance to take only the advice of some neutral, impartial, independent body on a given issue. Somehow, the kind of experts they get are never the sort who think that what should be done is nothing.

  150. @Peter Akuleyev
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It was a good day for ethnic European teams. Argentina is now a much «whiter » team than Netherlands (or France or England). Watching some of the African Dutch players lose emotional control was just embarrassing. Sad days for Holland.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    I’m at the point where I just cheer for the whitest team, period. There’s no point in cheering for a “Dutch” or “English” team when so many of the players aren’t Dutch or English. I’d rather see a team like Croatia win, especially since the open borders scammers use winning soccer games as an excuse to justify the invasion of our countries.

  151. @Bugg
    @anonymous

    Saw a documentary abotu U2 when I was still a fan. Showed that their process, if you could call it that, was to hash around some ideas with Eno and his staff, and then go the south of France or Ibiza and get drunk for a month while Eno and his staff ....wrote the songs? And then came back and ran through Eno's instructions. Left me with the impression while U2 may be competent musicians, they weren't really the authors of their work, closer to a boy band than The Who or Led Zeppelin.

    When I first heard Coldplay, thought it was U2. Low and behold, Eno produces them too. Looks very much like Eno likes being in the studio and making money, but realized he wasn't cut out to be a superstar on the road for the rest of his days. Worked out for U2 too. They own huge swaths of Dublin real estate along the Liffey.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Low and behold…

    • LOL: Bugg
  152. @Jack D
    @Curle

    It seems to me that Epstein was more geared to getting girls for himself than he was for getting them for with his friends (though he did that too). Someone who is in business as drug dealer doesn't get high on his own supply. If Mossad wanted someone to run a honeypot operation they would have gotten someone gay like the KGB recruited Stephen Ward to lure Profumo.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    Vanity Fair on Epsteins ‘strange’ relationship with reputed spy Les Wexner.

    “Levin had never heard of the man, Jeffrey Epstein, which was odd. After working for Wexner for seven years, Levin knew virtually every player on Wall Street (a few months earlier, Levin says, he met with arbitrageur Ivan Boesky). Levin’s skepticism was confirmed as soon as he arrived at Epstein’s Madison Avenue office. There were no visible signs of a trading operation; just Epstein sitting behind a desk that didn’t even have a computer. “Epstein was trying to explain a currency trade he wanted to do. I have an MBA from Ohio State, and I didn’t understand a word the man said,” Levin recalled. Levin went back to Columbus and reported that Epstein was a fraud. “I told Les, ‘Stay away from him,’ ”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-decades-long-relationship-with-his-biggest-client

    “Ghislaine Maxwell is hardly the only Maxwell sibling to continue their father’s controversial work for intelligence, with other siblings carrying the torch specifically for Robert Maxwell’s sizable role in the PROMIS software scandal and subsequent yet related hi-tech espionage operations.”

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-series/the-maxwell-family-business-espionage/

  153. @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I find it hard to understand people who either misinterpret or are oblivious of Putin's main ideas. Putin was perfectly clear about his view of history, European & Russian identity.

    Putin’s “thoughts” are- if he is sincere – these:

    Russia is neither “white” nor non-white. He doesn’t think in these categories. For instance, he’s constantly drumming against Western imperialism, which he thinks began with the Age of Exploration.

    His chief devil is not very well defined, but it seems to be a combination of Western Christianity (Catholicism & Protestantism) & now, perhaps, Anglo-Saxonistan which is, in his fantasies, dominated by WASPs. It is not clear how he treats other Europeans, but his image of the West is confusing- it seems that “West” is a combination of Poles, French, Germans & Swedes, Russia’s historical invaders; on the other hand, he easily switches between centuries & mixes the 17th C with the 21st C.

    Putin’s narrative is also contradictory. It is not clear whether historical invaders of Russia (Poles, French, Germans) are now the threatening & potentially Russia-conquering West, or just puppets of the global WASP power. Anyway, all Western Christians, from the Portuguese to the English, are racists. Putin’s version of the contemporary world is that “good guys” are colored races (China, India, Africa, blacks in the US,..). Russia, in his view, is not “white” (whatever this may mean).

    As far as religious culture goes, Western Christianity is the enemy. It is only Eastern, Orthodox Christianity that he thinks of “defending”. Also, his reinterpretation of history is laughable: he states that historical “friends”, buddies in Russia are Eastern Orthodox, Jews and Muslims (with a smattering of Buddhists).

    For anyone who knows anything about the history of Russia- this is absurd. Before Communism, Jews and Muslims were considered irreconcilable aliens & enemies. He’s lying about trivial facts.

    Then, his fantasies about WASPs, now, have nothing to do with reality. He fantasizes that TG, gay & Globohomo ideology is basically WASPy, or “white” tool for domination over colored races, Russia & a sword wielded by US “whites” to conquer the world & to exploit it.

    Globohomo ideology is, in his definition, the invention of globalist Anglo-Saxonists to subdue Africans, Asians & other coloreds- and, of course, Russia, which is a natural ally of the East and South.

    His world-view is simply idiotic.

    It can be easily decoded if one reads his last speech & watches short videos (when he says, in translation, Christianity, he means only Eastern Orthodoxy; also, when he talks about races, and white race especially, he doesn’t include Russians in the definition).

    https://konstantinkisin.substack.com/p/putin-the-end-of-western-hegemony?sd=pf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQm6JNYH1Z0

    Putin’s core world-view is that of an Eastern Orthodox Euro-Asian Jihadist- basically, this is the same as Dugin- consumed with hatred of not just post-modern Globohomo West, but of the historical European identity.

    He doesn’t think in terms of “liberating” Europe from “WASP racist/imperialist/Globohomo yoke”. This ethnic-cultural point of view is completely alien to him.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    I really don’t give a f*** what Putin or Russians think. I’m Anglo-American, not European. The Old World can fight its own fights and blow each other up every couple of decades like they’ve been doing since pre-history. Russians and Ukrainians strike me as uncouth, low-trust, unintelligent people and I want them kept over there.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    2 groups of eastern Euro kleptocratic oligarches in track suits having what amounts to a fence fight about yachts, Swiss and Cayman bank accounts and fake-titted blonde whores with C-section scars is not an American vital national interest. Unless you're a defense contractor or on the take.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Well, if you want to keep your standard of living & your masses satisfied, your country has to be involved in various troubles in the world. Whether you like it or not. That's the way life is.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  154. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    That's not true. A lot of bordellos were run as strictly businesses, and by madames, not pimps.

    Also, the dose makes the poison - if the girls spend 90% their time with you and 10% turning tricks, you are not much of a pimp. This is how a lot of the Pakistani abusers in the UK worked. They weren't really professional pimps. They would befriend a lower class white teen and now and then they would share her with their friends, maybe as a friendly gesture, maybe to raise a little extra cash on the side. Maybe over time as they grew bored with the girl, now and then became the rule rather than the exception.

    Everything I have seen indicates that Epstein first and foremost was recruiting these girls to satisfy his own wishes. If he was doing favors for Mossad (and TBH, there's no real proof of this, just a lot of hand waving and inference and "don't be naive of course he was") on the side this was incidental and not the main driver of the whole operation.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Curle

    Yeah well y'see when you fumble this term of art "family" see now there's lots of meanings here. No one has run the cladistics, no one has actually proven that Ghislaine is anybody's daughter. She might be nobody's daughter, after all, she's in prison for selling girls to nobody.

  155. @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno's music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bugg, @slumber_j, @AndrewR, @Dennis Dale, @Right_On

    The only person I ever knew who admired Eno’s music (this was in 1980) was a chemist in Orange County who was pretty good at wood-working.

    I was expecting that to climax “. . . who was pretty good at manufacturing LSD”.

  156. @New Dealer
    In the prior thread I reported on claims that Biden chose Briner over Whelan:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chatgpt-would-have-aced-the-old-sat/#comment-5698524

    Here are more data supporting the claim. A despicable, shameful action.

    https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-worst-trade-in-history-a-timeline?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    A despicable, shameful action.

    True. But it made the stupid black lesbian doofus who is WH press secretary happy, so who are you to complain? Peasant! /sarc

  157. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    As far as I'm aware, journalists were not hourly employees in the era of H.L. Mencken, Dorothy Kilgallan, or when Michelle Malkin was hired. Mencken completed high school (atypical in his cohort). Kilgallan had some tertiary schooling (atypical in her cohort). Walter Cronkite, William L. Shirer, David Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow, Dave Garroway, Mike Wallace, William Manchester, Richard Strout, Joseph Alsop, and Murray Kempton all had some tertiary schooling in the pre-war era, though most did not have a degree. These were quite prominent journalists. Presumably, the locals had a run of schooling closer to the median. Recall that in the 1920s, most youths between 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Obviously reporters would have been from the more literate end of the working class. There were always working class positions that involved literacy. Scrivener, court reporter, etc. I don’t know whether reporters were paid hourly or on salary or by the word but they did not live high on the hog.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Obviously reporters would have been from the more literate end of the working class. There were always working class positions that involved literacy. Scrivener, court reporter, etc. I don’t know whether reporters were paid hourly or on salary or by the word but they did not live high on the hog.

    Kilgallan as a cub reporter was paid a weekly salary and had an expense account. In 1965, her father quoted her salary ca. 1934 at $20 a week. In 1934, employees in this country were paid $33.7 bn in wages and salaries and the working population was shy of 40 million. Pay packets would have been about $16 a week on average. The 21 year old Kilgallan was doing pretty well compared to her peers.

    Note, in 1928, total enrollment in tertiary schooling in this country (junior colleges, normal schools, teacher's colleges, colleges, universities, professional schools, nursing schools, and commercial schools) was about 1.37 million. Spread out over four cohorts, that amounts to 350,000 per cohort. The average age cohort of the late adolescennt / young adult population in 1928 was about 2.8 million. If you're talking about people born ca. 1908, about 12% would have been enrolled in some sort of postsecondary program in 1928.

  158. @pyrrhus
    "Professional" historian is a contradiction in terms...all the good ones were amateurs...

    Replies: @Kim

    David Irving has no degree.

  159. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads' biggest hit "Once in a Lifetime."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief, @Stan Adams, @Curle

    For many years, this Brian Eno composition was heard millions of times a day all over the world:

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  160. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I really don't give a f*** what Putin or Russians think. I'm Anglo-American, not European. The Old World can fight its own fights and blow each other up every couple of decades like they've been doing since pre-history. Russians and Ukrainians strike me as uncouth, low-trust, unintelligent people and I want them kept over there.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Bardon Kaldian

    2 groups of eastern Euro kleptocratic oligarches in track suits having what amounts to a fence fight about yachts, Swiss and Cayman bank accounts and fake-titted blonde whores with C-section scars is not an American vital national interest. Unless you’re a defense contractor or on the take.

  161. @ATate
    @J.Ross

    > Florida and the Carolinas do not freeze — and neither does Oregon or Washington

    We average about 50” of snow a year. Just had the the 6th snowiest November in 141 years in eastern WA.

    It really is two very distinct regions in this state. We’re the racist meth side, please stay away.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    They freeze but they don’t hard freeze.

  162. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    At one time reporter was a working class occupation. Reporters were hard bitten cynical guys without any attachment to either major party (although some of them might have been Communists back in the day). They belong to the party of Skepticism - "If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” They assumed that all politicians were lying to them unless proven otherwise.

    But then "journalism" became a profession and "journalists" went to the same liberal arts colleges as DNC operatives and other members of the liberal establishment. Naturally their political views lined up with their peers. People in Washington naturally go back and forth between the DNC press office and the media - they are the same people on different days.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @pirelli, @David In TN, @J.Ross

    Yeah no this was never true this is literally Silent and Boomer mythology.

  163. @Curle
    @Jack D

    See this?

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-series/the-maxwell-family-business-espionage/

    Or this?

    https://www.inkl.com/news/sex-offender-epstein-taped-famous-guests-for-blackmail

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yeah well y’see when you fumble this term of art “family” see now there’s lots of meanings here. No one has run the cladistics, no one has actually proven that Ghislaine is anybody’s daughter. She might be nobody’s daughter, after all, she’s in prison for selling girls to nobody.

    • LOL: Curle
  164. @XBardon Kaldlan
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The two blonde girls to the left of Pelosi. Yes.
    The girl with the glasses right behind Pelosi, " can I get some help here?!?"

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Not the one with the Groucho glasses and nose to Pelosis right?

  165. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I really don't give a f*** what Putin or Russians think. I'm Anglo-American, not European. The Old World can fight its own fights and blow each other up every couple of decades like they've been doing since pre-history. Russians and Ukrainians strike me as uncouth, low-trust, unintelligent people and I want them kept over there.

    Replies: @Bugg, @Bardon Kaldian

    Well, if you want to keep your standard of living & your masses satisfied, your country has to be involved in various troubles in the world. Whether you like it or not. That’s the way life is.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No we don't. Russian ammonium nitrate works just fine with or without an independent Ukraine. If the Ellis Island-Americans are so worried about what's going on back home, they can ship their a**es back.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  166. @Wilkey

    Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.
     
    My favorite example is how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.

    That distraction cost us not only the insane expense of the Iraq War itself, but the financial crisis of 2008, as well. It’s the distraction that secured this nation’s doom.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “how after 9/11 George W. Bush distracted us from talking about border security by instead leading us into a pointless, expensive war in Iraq.”

    George W. Bush, um, distracted us? George Bush, the inane coke-head illiterate alcoholic? The guy who couldn’t even run a baseball team, or an ice-cream stand? The guy who all the strippers in Austin thought was the silliest man they’d ever met? The best Charlie McCarthy puppet president of all time?

    How about naming who really did the distracting and talked us into a war where mysteriously only goyim got killed?

    Starts with a J. Always does.

  167. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    Art Deco: "Come on, man! It won't be that bad--only as bad as Panama, tops!"

    But the real point, Art, is that it won't be as good as we had it, and failed to preserve. Because people like you think the real failing is those niggardly whites just refuse to pay enough taxes so every black and latino can have their own personal Fr. Flanagan.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    “Come on, man! It won’t be that bad–only as bad as Panama, tops!”

    That’s not what I said. I said you’ve caricatured Latin America. Which you have.

    Because people like you think the real failing is those niggardly whites just refuse to pay enough taxes so every black and latino can have their own personal Fr. Flanagan.

    I’ve told you what I think, and it isn’t that. You don’t listen.

  168. @pirelli
    @Jack D


    At one time reporter was a working class occupation.
     
    I’ve seen many people say this, but I haven’t been able to find empirical support for it. I also think that US government and media have been employing the “prop agenda” for many decades now, going back to the mid-twentieth century at least.

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    So when exactly were reporters a bunch of hard-bitten, cynical guys telling it like they saw it? The 1920s and 30s? I’m just not sure that era ever existed, though there have always been some reporters around who do match that description…

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    Chomsky and Herman were cheesed that no one outside of Eurotrash university campuses takes them terribly seriously, so concocted an ‘explanation’ for that.

  169. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Obviously reporters would have been from the more literate end of the working class. There were always working class positions that involved literacy. Scrivener, court reporter, etc. I don't know whether reporters were paid hourly or on salary or by the word but they did not live high on the hog.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Obviously reporters would have been from the more literate end of the working class. There were always working class positions that involved literacy. Scrivener, court reporter, etc. I don’t know whether reporters were paid hourly or on salary or by the word but they did not live high on the hog.

    Kilgallan as a cub reporter was paid a weekly salary and had an expense account. In 1965, her father quoted her salary ca. 1934 at $20 a week. In 1934, employees in this country were paid $33.7 bn in wages and salaries and the working population was shy of 40 million. Pay packets would have been about $16 a week on average. The 21 year old Kilgallan was doing pretty well compared to her peers.

    Note, in 1928, total enrollment in tertiary schooling in this country (junior colleges, normal schools, teacher’s colleges, colleges, universities, professional schools, nursing schools, and commercial schools) was about 1.37 million. Spread out over four cohorts, that amounts to 350,000 per cohort. The average age cohort of the late adolescennt / young adult population in 1928 was about 2.8 million. If you’re talking about people born ca. 1908, about 12% would have been enrolled in some sort of postsecondary program in 1928.

  170. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1600574621274750981

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones

    And people like Goya are the least talented practitioners of the arts because babies draw.

    I assume the bald clown is some sort of American.

  171. @ben tillman
    @Nicholas Stix

    Do you think it's going too far to suggest that the Covid pandemic was orchestrated to prevent Trump's re-election? I don't.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev, @JR Ewing, @Almost Missouri

    Depends what you mean by “orchestrated”. I don’t think, for example, that a coronavirus was deliberately released in order to sabotage the next year’s election. (I’m on the fence about Ron’s bioweapon theory, but in his theory the virus wasn’t supposed to affect non-target countries so heavily in any case.) But I absolutely agree with the other commenters that the response was arranged with an eye to embarrassing Trump, maximizing vote fraud, and generally implementing leftist control-freakery.

    It’s no coincidence, for example, that there was almost a prefect correlation between how Blue a state or city government was and how hard they stomped on the social control. “Never let a good crisis go to waste,” said (Democrat) strategist Rahm Emanuel.

    Mr. Akuleyev thinks that non-American government overreactions disprove the thesis, but this forgets that 1) a large number of governments blindly follow the US lead, no matter how bad, and the US doesn’t care what happens to them (e.g., NATO and the Ukraine), 2) plenty of foreign governments have their own control-freak aspirations and were only too happy to catch a ride on the panic legitimization being pumped out by the world’s preeminent propaganda machinery, and 3) plenty of foreign governments (especially second- and third-world) just mouthed along with the directives being promulgated by the (American-led) CDC and WHO since it allowed them to make special pleading and demand “emergency funds” while life on the ground was basically unchanged.

  172. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri


    who pretends to be an objective political analyst on TV
     
    Well if she is pretending she isn't trying very hard. You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.

    Replies: @Curle, @Almost Missouri

    You would have to be really, really stupid to actually believe that the shills on NPR were not just another arm of the Democrat Party establishment.

    Yet I keep running into people of apparently above average intelligence who believe everything the MSM/DNC spoon-feeds them.

    Psy-ops work.

  173. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    #1 The settlement by whites (and therefore the displacement of the Indians) of the South outside the original 13 colonies was inevitable. There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.

    #2 Given the political and economic realities of the time, wherever white Southerners settled they were going to bring the slave system with them. Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.

    When you put #1 and #2 together, whether Jackson sent the Cherokees onto the Trail of Tears or not had no influence on the ultimate outcome. Viewed by Martians, the entire Columbian experiment was a exercise in getting rid of the Indians who had come over from Siberia thousand of years ago and replacing them with Africans, with whites present only for a short time in between. In some places the replacement was only partial and in other places (parts of the Caribbean) it was 100%.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.

    They could have stayed and remained the minority. That happened everywhere else, at least west of the Mississippi.

    Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.

    “Either there were going to be blacks throughout the South or no whites at all.” That’s essentially what you’re saying.

    Change “liquor” to “diversity”, and Young Abe nails it:

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Based upon the Indian reservations I've seen out West, having more of them in the East would not have been a big upgrade.

  174. @megabar
    @Guest007

    > women are not paid 27% less for the same work in the same positions. The difference for men is that more men will work longer hours

    I have a hypothesis that for some jobs, if things were perfectly fair, you'd find that men are paid more for the same job. Why? Because in some jobs -- specifically math-oriented ones -- there are a higher percentage of men who are highly qualified.

    Imagine that you hired only people 6' or taller, and you had different ranks for different heights. So, people 6'0"-6'3" are entry level, 6'3"-6'5" are grade 2, and so on.

    Because of the bell curve, not only would there be more men at grade 2 and above, the average man in the entry level position would be taller than the average women in the entry level position. Thus, men would be paid more at every job level.

    It looks like bias, but it isn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    The 27% does not make for any allowances and is just a comparison of mean female pay versus mean male pay. However, since there are more women in early children education and more men in petroleum engineering, mean make more than women, overall. However, when comparing career choices, men take jobs that get a premium for being math oriented, not being 8-5, or being dangerous. The people who climb up antenna or windmills are men. I have never seen a woman lowered into a manhole in the middle of the street.

  175. @anonymous
    Steve,

    My take is different.

    "Propaganda" is another area where we White European Conservative Americans tend to really, really suck. We tend to suck at a lot of things:

    Foreign language skills
    Partner dancing skills or just being sexy to women
    fighting and jumping

    There hasn't been an undisputed White American Heavy weight boxing champion since Rocky Marciano and he was Italian American.

    In contrast White British, White European boxers have dominated the middle and heavier weight divisions these last 25 years.

    Back to poliitical and cultural propaganda.

    We suck

    The last political consultant, political manager that was any good at political propaganda was Lee Atwater that got George HW Bush elected president by destroying Lib Dem candidate MA Governor Michael Dukakis for being soft on Black crime, letting convicted murderer Willie Horton free on an unsupervised weekend pass where Willie Horton proceded to do a home invasion and raped a (White) Woman.

    When pressed about doing this rather stupid thing, governor Dukakis never admitted he did anything wrong, instead he wanted to switch the subject to no fault auto insurance.

    Propaganda is about presenting your political, cultural message in ways that reach the hearts and minds of specific people though means like well like music, images, videos, poetry, street posters.

    Our side always tries to win the argument by trying to get "our people" to read long boring books.

    Propaganda is both an art and a science. Like soccer and basketball that are funamentals that need to be learned and then improvisation around them.

    We need to study the best propaganda of others including:

    Yes - Communists, Socialists, Islamists, socialist nationalists.

    I would be honored to teach others the basics of good propaganda.

    I recommend the books "Faces of the Enemy" by Sam Keen

    https://www.amazon.com/Faces-Enemy-Reflections-Hostile-Imagination/dp/0062504673/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KVWSE260MBGP&keywords=faces+of+the+enemy&qid=1670608451&sprefix=faces+of+the+enemy%2Caps%2C89&sr=8-1

    But, be aware American Whtie Conservatives have had ~ 100 years of really bad propaganda, of always losing, trying to push disliked things like Economic Conservatism, belt tightening, tax cutting or disliked corporations and just presenting boring candidates with bad optics, no music and always bad propaganda.

    If we don't get better real soon at propaganda our people will suffer the same fate as Europeans in Santo Domingo/Haiti, Algeria, Rhodesia.... Constantinople,... Baltimore, Philly etc.

    Let me know.

    J Ryan
    TPC The Political Cesspool

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Conservatives are the adults in the room saying things like “we can’t keep running trillion-dollar a year deficits forever”. Liberals are like Santa Claus giving all the children lots of free presents. It’s tough to compete with Santa Claus in a popularity contest. Advocating belt tightening and reducing government spending only appeals to people who think long term and can see the future results if it is not done. This is now a small and shrinking percentage of the population. It will only be when the money runs out that the government will reduce spending. Voters will never vote for that voluntarily.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  176. It would be useful if historians would dig up how these things are orchestrated.

    They have and do.

    Much is known about say, the Spanish American War and its fake origins. That was at the early stages of mass media (cheap print newspapers) which made spreading propaganda much easier.

    Previously this was done mainly by word-of-mouth rumors. Broadsides (pamphlets, posters pasted or nailed on to tavern doors, walls, etc.) Sometimes amplified by mass audience speeches given by politicians or other political leaders wishing to inflame public opinion. Even now famous early books/novels served those ends.

    In the 20th century means to disseminate propaganda blossomed. Radio, film, TV, cheap publishing and now computers, Internet and various ways of doing that.

    Elon Musk is giving us a solid peek at how “social media” is secretly directing propaganda themes and pushing some while suppressing others.

    More tools now. Same game as before.

    “We need to wipe out those child sacrificing heathens before they attack our sacred temples!”

  177. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Professional historians are in thrall to the regime.
     
    Always have been. Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down? "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.


    Scroll down the Twitter feed linked by the "Stevesthetic" Anonymous just below, and this appears:



    https://twitter.com/BowTiedRanger/status/1600854118351765505

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Kylie, @anonymous, @J.Ross, @Kim, @PiltdownMan, @TelfoedJohn, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Jim Don Bob, @Art Deco, @PeterIke, @Prester John, @Dmon, @megabar, @Mike Tre, @Muggles

    But, but… they’re all mostly White!

    Well, one looks vaguely Asian.

    A couple of fellas in the far back. Tokens. Maybe one is hetero.

    I suspect the cat/children ratio is very high with this group. Say, 10 to 1?

    The Queen and her coven look quite happy. Someone must have told a “Take my husband…please!” joke.

    Those always get a huge grin from Nancy.

  178. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    There is no alternate history where the Cherokees stay and remain the majority.
     
    They could have stayed and remained the minority. That happened everywhere else, at least west of the Mississippi.

    Either there was going to be slavery throughout the South or no slavery at all.
     
    "Either there were going to be blacks throughout the South or no whites at all." That's essentially what you're saying.


    Change "liquor" to "diversity", and Young Abe nails it:

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-liquor-may-have-its-defenders-but-it-has-no-defense-abraham-lincoln-137-24-46.jpg

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/665ef6b7d403fe8130ef3dd7d570edf6/tumblr_p3au5pzfJi1uaxri9o1_1280.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

    Based upon the Indian reservations I’ve seen out West, having more of them in the East would not have been a big upgrade.

  179. @Reg Cæsar
    @PeterIke


    And any list that doesn’t have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.
     
    Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. "Diversity is our strength!"

    Imagine had melanin stopped at Georgia. A big "No" to Jackson.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    “Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. “Diversity is our strength!”

    Jackson cleared out the tribes who stood in the way of settlement of properties that had been tied up in legal disputes arising from the Yazoo Land Scandal (starting 1789) which mostly preceded the cotton boom. Settlers were initially involved in all forms of agricultural production. Cotton accelerated settlement. Settlers outnumbered slaves. https://www.legendsofamerica.com/yazoo-land-scandal/

    “The Tennessee River Valley, with its fertile soil and the Tennessee River providing transportation to the New Orleans market, quickly grew to one of the wealthiest cotton regions of the old South. Originally settled by small farmers, Madison County quickly grew into a plantation society.23 By 1816, it was the most populous county in the state, with 10,000 white settlers, and 4,200 slaves noted in the census.24”

    https://ahc.alabama.gov/architecturalprogramsPDFs/History%20of%20Agriculture%20in%20Alabama.pdf

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle


    By 1816, it was the most populous county in the state, with 10,000 white settlers, and 4,200 slaves noted in the census.
     
    30% is still too much.


    On p. 5 of your PDF it reports the fun fact that the cotton gin was first brought to Alabama by a merchant named Abra(ha)m Mordecai. He is considered to be the first Jew in the state. He married a Creek.


    The Encyclopedia of Alabama: Abraham Mordecai
  180. @PeterIke
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ever notice that those ranked lists of presidents are always published upside-down?

     

    To a great extent, yes. The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln, the perennial First Place winner in every poll. They still seem to give Washington props, but I suspect he will fade. Probably the second worst President, FDR, is routinely very high up as well. Past favorite, the worthless Woodrow Wilson, is dropping because racism, the new most important factor.

    The worthless piece of garbage Lyndon Johnson also tends to rank high, because black people. And any list that doesn't have Andrew Jackson in the Top 3 is worthless.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle



    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

     

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.
     
    He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union, which is evidence that he was clinically insane. Heck, we could have been a second Canada!

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Curle

  181. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Eno wrote the melodic hook for Talking Heads' biggest hit "Once in a Lifetime."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dieter Kief, @Stan Adams, @Curle

    I’d have assumed Life During Wartime to be the biggest.

  182. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    What a completely laughable non-argument. There have never in history been pimps who did not use their own girls because a girl is not the same thing as a bump of coke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @R.G. Camara

    Jack D has admitted he’s a fed. He runs defense for the Deep State. Hence his disinformation and lying about Epstein, a Deep State-protected blackmail-collector.

  183. @Jack D
    @Curle

    It seems to me that Epstein was more geared to getting girls for himself than he was for getting them for with his friends (though he did that too). Someone who is in business as drug dealer doesn't get high on his own supply. If Mossad wanted someone to run a honeypot operation they would have gotten someone gay like the KGB recruited Stephen Ward to lure Profumo.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    lmao. You lie pretty badly to protect your Deep State pimp Epstein there, fed.

    What’s the matter? Your masters forgot to come up with a cover story?

  184. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    That's not true. A lot of bordellos were run as strictly businesses, and by madames, not pimps.

    Also, the dose makes the poison - if the girls spend 90% their time with you and 10% turning tricks, you are not much of a pimp. This is how a lot of the Pakistani abusers in the UK worked. They weren't really professional pimps. They would befriend a lower class white teen and now and then they would share her with their friends, maybe as a friendly gesture, maybe to raise a little extra cash on the side. Maybe over time as they grew bored with the girl, now and then became the rule rather than the exception.

    Everything I have seen indicates that Epstein first and foremost was recruiting these girls to satisfy his own wishes. If he was doing favors for Mossad (and TBH, there's no real proof of this, just a lot of hand waving and inference and "don't be naive of course he was") on the side this was incidental and not the main driver of the whole operation.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Curle, @R.G. Camara

    lol. JackD, trying to gaslight the obvious about Epstein, is hilarious and giving himself away as a Deep State disinformation spreader.

  185. @Kim
    @AndrewR

    Wikipedia provides a convenient period-organized list of historians throughout history.

    I checked under "Born in the 20th C", but - strangely - there is no entry for Irving, David.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historians

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Wikipedia provides a convenient period-organized list of historians throughout history.

    I checked under “Born in the 20th C”, but – strangely – there is no entry for Irving, David.

    This is why I do ‘more than ignore‘ during the periodic begging-popups that appear on Wikipedia.

    Every time I see one, I send the same e-mail to a group of Wikipedia email addresses from my favourite StartMail alias – GetFuckedYouCunts before I add the relevant page element to my custom “Get Fucked” list in uBlock Origin.

    I know these seldom get read, but sometimes they do – and I’ve actually had a couple of responses.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  186. @Bardon Kaldian
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Well, if you want to keep your standard of living & your masses satisfied, your country has to be involved in various troubles in the world. Whether you like it or not. That's the way life is.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    No we don’t. Russian ammonium nitrate works just fine with or without an independent Ukraine. If the Ellis Island-Americans are so worried about what’s going on back home, they can ship their a**es back.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    JFC. Ellis Island Americans are white. No better or no worse than “Heritage Americans”. You patently divisive rhetoric is unneeded and unwanted.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  187. Prompt:

    From an interview with music producer Brian Eno a couple of decades ago:
    > “I’ve been thinking about the word “propaganda.” I came up with another word a few years ago, which is “prop-agenda.” Propaganda is easy to detect and defend against because we recognize it. Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.””
    Obama’s second term was flooded with prop-agenda, such as the government-media huzzah over “rape on campus” that eventually overstepped with the Haven Monahan UVA hoax.
    It would be useful if historians would dig up how

    GPTSailer v0.1.0:

    much propaganda was in each of the wars of the last two centuries. Then we could estimate how great the impact of propaganda would have been in an average American life, which would be less than it appears.
    So now to the point of your question:
    “What if the entire [American] education system, including universities, high schools, elementary schools and what little was left of the middle school, is filled, starting in third grade, with anti-capitalist propaganda, in order, by the time you graduate, to get you to work in the defense plant and send all the money back to the government?”
    That’s impossible but worth a shot.

    Same prompt, different output:

    much of Obama’s re-election campaign was based on prop-agenda, to see whether any of it was really a real concern of real people. It probably was much of the time, though I can’t really say who it was.
    In general, the main effect of prop-agenda is to trick people into doing what they would do anyway, but with more of their own energy instead of somebody else’s.

    Model base: GPT-J-6B
    Fine tuning corpus: isteve blog

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @GPTSailer

    Thanks.

    Sounds kind of gibberishy.

    Replies: @GPTSailer

  188. @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Jackson cleared out the Civilized Tribes to make room for Africans. “Diversity is our strength!”

    Jackson cleared out the tribes who stood in the way of settlement of properties that had been tied up in legal disputes arising from the Yazoo Land Scandal (starting 1789) which mostly preceded the cotton boom. Settlers were initially involved in all forms of agricultural production. Cotton accelerated settlement. Settlers outnumbered slaves. https://www.legendsofamerica.com/yazoo-land-scandal/

    “The Tennessee River Valley, with its fertile soil and the Tennessee River providing transportation to the New Orleans market, quickly grew to one of the wealthiest cotton regions of the old South. Originally settled by small farmers, Madison County quickly grew into a plantation society.23 By 1816, it was the most populous county in the state, with 10,000 white settlers, and 4,200 slaves noted in the census.24”

    https://ahc.alabama.gov/architecturalprogramsPDFs/History%20of%20Agriculture%20in%20Alabama.pdf

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    By 1816, it was the most populous county in the state, with 10,000 white settlers, and 4,200 slaves noted in the census.

    30% is still too much.

    On p. 5 of your PDF it reports the fun fact that the cotton gin was first brought to Alabama by a merchant named Abra(ha)m Mordecai. He is considered to be the first Jew in the state. He married a Creek.

    The Encyclopedia of Alabama: Abraham Mordecai

  189. @Curle
    @PeterIke

    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.

    He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union, which is evidence that he was clinically insane. Heck, we could have been a second Canada!

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe you could take a break Reg.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    “He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union”

    Lincoln’s great goal, and that of his political sponsors, was to institute the so-called American System which is short-hand for eliminating federalism for the purpose of authorizing federal public financing of public improvements: railroads. The war was fought to eliminate the federal system of government and Lincoln succeeded. The aftermath was exactly as described by Mencken below. Oh, and Robert Lincoln was rewarded with the presidency of the Pullman Palace Car company.

    Masters, quoted below, was the son of William Herndon’s later life business partner and had his father’s first hand knowledge of Lincoln as recited by Herndon (Lincoln’s law partner). Masters published an examination of Lincoln and his politics in the 1930s. Here’s an review:

    https://foseti.wordpress.com/?s=Lincoln+the+Man&submit=Search


    “The political history of America has been written for the most part by those who were unfriendly to the theory of a confederated republic, or who did not understand it. It has been written by devotees of the protective principle [i.e. a tariff], by centralists, and to a large degree by New England.”

    – Edgar Lee Masters

    “The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out subjects of the United States.”

    – H. L. Mencken

    “No war ever raging in my time was to me more foolish looking.”

    Thomas Carlyle

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  190. @GPTSailer
    Prompt:

    From an interview with music producer Brian Eno a couple of decades ago:
    > "I’ve been thinking about the word “propaganda.” I came up with another word a few years ago, which is “prop-agenda.” Propaganda is easy to detect and defend against because we recognize it. Prop-agenda is what our governments do now. They put something else on the agenda, misdirecting you away from what people would prefer you didn’t think about.""
    Obama’s second term was flooded with prop-agenda, such as the government-media huzzah over “rape on campus” that eventually overstepped with the Haven Monahan UVA hoax.
    It would be useful if historians would dig up how
     
    GPTSailer v0.1.0:

    much propaganda was in each of the wars of the last two centuries. Then we could estimate how great the impact of propaganda would have been in an average American life, which would be less than it appears.
    So now to the point of your question:
    "What if the entire [American] education system, including universities, high schools, elementary schools and what little was left of the middle school, is filled, starting in third grade, with anti-capitalist propaganda, in order, by the time you graduate, to get you to work in the defense plant and send all the money back to the government?"
    That's impossible but worth a shot.
     
    Same prompt, different output:

    much of Obama’s re-election campaign was based on prop-agenda, to see whether any of it was really a real concern of real people. It probably was much of the time, though I can’t really say who it was.
    In general, the main effect of prop-agenda is to trick people into doing what they would do anyway, but with more of their own energy instead of somebody else's.
     
    Model base: GPT-J-6B
    Fine tuning corpus: isteve blog

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

    Sounds kind of gibberishy.

    • Replies: @GPTSailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The GPT-J-6B model, created by eleuther.ai, was trained on an 800GB dataset of diverse text for language modeling called "The Pile." This was fed into a large blank neural network, simulated on a cluster of GPUs, and the probabilistic connections between neurons were reinforced when the output matched the masked text, and reduced when it didn't. After days or weeks of training, the model was released to the public in mid 2021. It has 6 billion parameters, compared to Davinci's 185B+. I fine tuned it on your unz blog for use as a chat bot, but it still needs more training or a different corpus, such as tweet replies.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob

  191. @Dennis Dale
    @anonymous

    Why do you speak on things of which you are utterly ignorant?
    Honestly. You don't need to. Suffice it to say Eno's influence on popular music is impossible to quantify.
    Apparently you see a name you associate with the left/postmodernism and feel the need to signal your disdain for it. Who cares about the details?
    The result is embarrassing.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    All that pretentious phony soul-less metrosexual English shit sucks.

  192. @Steve Sailer
    @GPTSailer

    Thanks.

    Sounds kind of gibberishy.

    Replies: @GPTSailer

    The GPT-J-6B model, created by eleuther.ai, was trained on an 800GB dataset of diverse text for language modeling called “The Pile.” This was fed into a large blank neural network, simulated on a cluster of GPUs, and the probabilistic connections between neurons were reinforced when the output matched the masked text, and reduced when it didn’t. After days or weeks of training, the model was released to the public in mid 2021. It has 6 billion parameters, compared to Davinci’s 185B+. I fine tuned it on your unz blog for use as a chat bot, but it still needs more training or a different corpus, such as tweet replies.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @GPTSailer

    Thanks.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @GPTSailer

    Maybe Steve could give you 6 or 7 topics to write and he could take the week off. See if anyone notices.

  193. @GPTSailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The GPT-J-6B model, created by eleuther.ai, was trained on an 800GB dataset of diverse text for language modeling called "The Pile." This was fed into a large blank neural network, simulated on a cluster of GPUs, and the probabilistic connections between neurons were reinforced when the output matched the masked text, and reduced when it didn't. After days or weeks of training, the model was released to the public in mid 2021. It has 6 billion parameters, compared to Davinci's 185B+. I fine tuned it on your unz blog for use as a chat bot, but it still needs more training or a different corpus, such as tweet replies.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob

    Thanks.

  194. @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle



    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

     

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.
     
    He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union, which is evidence that he was clinically insane. Heck, we could have been a second Canada!

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Curle

    Maybe you could take a break Reg.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @William Badwhite

    I'd like to, but there are more triggers here than on D-Day!

  195. @pirelli
    @Jack D


    At one time reporter was a working class occupation.
     
    I’ve seen many people say this, but I haven’t been able to find empirical support for it. I also think that US government and media have been employing the “prop agenda” for many decades now, going back to the mid-twentieth century at least.

    In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.

    So when exactly were reporters a bunch of hard-bitten, cynical guys telling it like they saw it? The 1920s and 30s? I’m just not sure that era ever existed, though there have always been some reporters around who do match that description…

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    “In Manufacturing Consent (published in 1988), Chomsky made a similar point to Eno’s: that propaganda in the US was not overt but rather took the form of a highly choreographed “discourse” in which certain viewpoints were emphasized and others suppressed.“

    And conservative publications and the Alt Right doesn’t engage in this behavior?

  196. @William Badwhite
    @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe you could take a break Reg.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’d like to, but there are more triggers here than on D-Day!

  197. @GPTSailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The GPT-J-6B model, created by eleuther.ai, was trained on an 800GB dataset of diverse text for language modeling called "The Pile." This was fed into a large blank neural network, simulated on a cluster of GPUs, and the probabilistic connections between neurons were reinforced when the output matched the masked text, and reduced when it didn't. After days or weeks of training, the model was released to the public in mid 2021. It has 6 billion parameters, compared to Davinci's 185B+. I fine tuned it on your unz blog for use as a chat bot, but it still needs more training or a different corpus, such as tweet replies.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe Steve could give you 6 or 7 topics to write and he could take the week off. See if anyone notices.

  198. @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle



    “The worst President in history, and obviously so, was Abraham Lincoln”

     

    No truer words. Our understanding of our past is mostly wrong.
     
    He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union, which is evidence that he was clinically insane. Heck, we could have been a second Canada!

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Curle

    “He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union”

    Lincoln’s great goal, and that of his political sponsors, was to institute the so-called American System which is short-hand for eliminating federalism for the purpose of authorizing federal public financing of public improvements: railroads. The war was fought to eliminate the federal system of government and Lincoln succeeded. The aftermath was exactly as described by Mencken below. Oh, and Robert Lincoln was rewarded with the presidency of the Pullman Palace Car company.

    Masters, quoted below, was the son of William Herndon’s later life business partner and had his father’s first hand knowledge of Lincoln as recited by Herndon (Lincoln’s law partner). Masters published an examination of Lincoln and his politics in the 1930s. Here’s an review:

    https://foseti.wordpress.com/?s=Lincoln+the+Man&submit=Search

    “The political history of America has been written for the most part by those who were unfriendly to the theory of a confederated republic, or who did not understand it. It has been written by devotees of the protective principle [i.e. a tariff], by centralists, and to a large degree by New England.”

    – Edgar Lee Masters

    “The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out subjects of the United States.”

    – H. L. Mencken

    “No war ever raging in my time was to me more foolish looking.”

    Thomas Carlyle

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle

    Both sides were fighting for a future in which the result of a "win" would be a much blacker country than had they lost. If that isn't race treason, what is?

    Replies: @Curle

  199. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Lurker

    Viz magazine back in the day. After a large amount of outrage they promised to replace it with "The Nice Law-Abiding Gypsies. Episode One - "the Nice Law-Abiding Gypsy buys a tax disc for his car".

    http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/thieving-gypsy-bastards.html

    Replies: @Lurker

    Yes!

  200. @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    “He thought Negro-loving Dixie was worth keeping in the Union”

    Lincoln’s great goal, and that of his political sponsors, was to institute the so-called American System which is short-hand for eliminating federalism for the purpose of authorizing federal public financing of public improvements: railroads. The war was fought to eliminate the federal system of government and Lincoln succeeded. The aftermath was exactly as described by Mencken below. Oh, and Robert Lincoln was rewarded with the presidency of the Pullman Palace Car company.

    Masters, quoted below, was the son of William Herndon’s later life business partner and had his father’s first hand knowledge of Lincoln as recited by Herndon (Lincoln’s law partner). Masters published an examination of Lincoln and his politics in the 1930s. Here’s an review:

    https://foseti.wordpress.com/?s=Lincoln+the+Man&submit=Search


    “The political history of America has been written for the most part by those who were unfriendly to the theory of a confederated republic, or who did not understand it. It has been written by devotees of the protective principle [i.e. a tariff], by centralists, and to a large degree by New England.”

    – Edgar Lee Masters

    “The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out subjects of the United States.”

    – H. L. Mencken

    “No war ever raging in my time was to me more foolish looking.”

    Thomas Carlyle

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Both sides were fighting for a future in which the result of a “win” would be a much blacker country than had they lost. If that isn’t race treason, what is?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    The slave trade was banned in the first decade of the 19th century. The slave population in the decades before the war would have been mostly internally derived. The die was cast re: population size in the 18th century well before the war.

    Many southern slaves were acquired from northern states who mostly gave their slave holders time to sell their property before abolition went into effect.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  201. @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle

    Both sides were fighting for a future in which the result of a "win" would be a much blacker country than had they lost. If that isn't race treason, what is?

    Replies: @Curle

    The slave trade was banned in the first decade of the 19th century. The slave population in the decades before the war would have been mostly internally derived. The die was cast re: population size in the 18th century well before the war.

    Many southern slaves were acquired from northern states who mostly gave their slave holders time to sell their property before abolition went into effect.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle


    The die was cast re: population size in the 18th century well before the war.

     

    Under the existing borders. White percentage by region, 1860:

    New England... 99.2
    Midwest........... 99.2
    Far West.......... 98.9
    Mid-Atlantic.... 98.2

    Upper South.... 76.4

    Lower South.... 55.9

    The "Upper South" was divided, but was just under 20% of the US population. Split it in half, and do the math. The truncated Union was clearly far better off in the long term. Both sides were fighting against the interests of the common white man.


    Many southern slaves were acquired from northern states who mostly gave their slave holders time to sell their property before abolition went into effect.
     
    The sellers were smart, the buyers stupid: a classic pusher/junkie relationship. You Rainbow Confederates don't have a strong case. Good for blacks = bad for whites.
  202. @Curle
    @Reg Cæsar

    The slave trade was banned in the first decade of the 19th century. The slave population in the decades before the war would have been mostly internally derived. The die was cast re: population size in the 18th century well before the war.

    Many southern slaves were acquired from northern states who mostly gave their slave holders time to sell their property before abolition went into effect.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The die was cast re: population size in the 18th century well before the war.

    Under the existing borders. White percentage by region, 1860:

    New England… 99.2
    Midwest……….. 99.2
    Far West………. 98.9
    Mid-Atlantic…. 98.2

    Upper South…. 76.4

    Lower South…. 55.9

    The “Upper South” was divided, but was just under 20% of the US population. Split it in half, and do the math. The truncated Union was clearly far better off in the long term. Both sides were fighting against the interests of the common white man.

    Many southern slaves were acquired from northern states who mostly gave their slave holders time to sell their property before abolition went into effect.

    The sellers were smart, the buyers stupid: a classic pusher/junkie relationship. You Rainbow Confederates don’t have a strong case. Good for blacks = bad for whites.

  203. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No we don't. Russian ammonium nitrate works just fine with or without an independent Ukraine. If the Ellis Island-Americans are so worried about what's going on back home, they can ship their a**es back.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    JFC. Ellis Island Americans are white. No better or no worse than “Heritage Americans”. You patently divisive rhetoric is unneeded and unwanted.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Corvinus

    Ellis Island-Americans are more liberal, generally opposed to right-to-work laws, often bolsheviks or gangsters, and hung up on their old country conflicts. They lack historical and genetic continuity with the people who founded the country, the Anglo-Americans. They are deeply suspicious of concepts like castle doctrine and right to bear arms, common law, and the marketplace of ideas.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  204. @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    JFC. Ellis Island Americans are white. No better or no worse than “Heritage Americans”. You patently divisive rhetoric is unneeded and unwanted.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Ellis Island-Americans are more liberal, generally opposed to right-to-work laws, often bolsheviks or gangsters, and hung up on their old country conflicts. They lack historical and genetic continuity with the people who founded the country, the Anglo-Americans. They are deeply suspicious of concepts like castle doctrine and right to bear arms, common law, and the marketplace of ideas.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Ellis Island-Americans”

    Are typically white. Why are seeking to divide U.S. with your elitism?

    “are more liberal”

    No. Decidedly conservative. Peasant stock. God fearing. Hard working.

    “generally opposed to right-to-work laws, often bolsheviks or gangsters, and hung up on their old country conflicts.”

    That’s propagenda.

    “lack historical and genetic continuity with the people who founded the country, the Anglo-Americans. “

    Europeans are of the same genetic background, my friend.

    “They are deeply suspicious of concepts like castle doctrine and right to bear arms, common law, and the marketplace of ideas.”

    Now you’re just rehashing old ethnic tropes. And you’re own wife’s ancestors were a mix of Alpine and Mediterranean peoples. You have no decency.

  205. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Corvinus

    Ellis Island-Americans are more liberal, generally opposed to right-to-work laws, often bolsheviks or gangsters, and hung up on their old country conflicts. They lack historical and genetic continuity with the people who founded the country, the Anglo-Americans. They are deeply suspicious of concepts like castle doctrine and right to bear arms, common law, and the marketplace of ideas.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Ellis Island-Americans”

    Are typically white. Why are seeking to divide U.S. with your elitism?

    “are more liberal”

    No. Decidedly conservative. Peasant stock. God fearing. Hard working.

    “generally opposed to right-to-work laws, often bolsheviks or gangsters, and hung up on their old country conflicts.”

    That’s propagenda.

    “lack historical and genetic continuity with the people who founded the country, the Anglo-Americans. “

    Europeans are of the same genetic background, my friend.

    “They are deeply suspicious of concepts like castle doctrine and right to bear arms, common law, and the marketplace of ideas.”

    Now you’re just rehashing old ethnic tropes. And you’re own wife’s ancestors were a mix of Alpine and Mediterranean peoples. You have no decency.

  206. @Buzz Mohawk
    Eno's neologism is good, but I'm more interested in what Mr. Sailer thinks about the thinking in the consulting firm he linked us to.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Eno’s neologism is good, but I’m more interested in what Mr. Sailer thinks about the thinking in the consulting firm he linked us to.

    Good point. Here’s Natural Logic Inc’s founder and CEO, Gil Friend:

    https://natlogic.com/about-us/gil-friend/

    Gil Friend, the founder, chair, and CEO of Natural Logic Inc, and Critical Path Capital, advises leading companies, communities, and investors on “value-driving sustainability strategies.”

    Hmmmm.

    Lives in the San Francisco area, is a big advocate of achieving True Weather Stasis by any means necessary, close to Newsom and Jerry Brown, and has some… interesting physiognomy.

    There’s a Gil Friend in the Bay Area whose father Chaim was heavily involved in running guns to the semitic supremacist settler-colonialists in Palestine back in the day. Probably just a coincidence.

    https://jweekly.com/2007/05/29/israel-medal-winner-gunrunner-dies-at-87/

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