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From the New York Times:
The Fear of Having a Son
By ANDREW REINER OCT. 14, 2016When my son, Macallah, was born five years ago, my college students asked how it felt to be a new father.
“Terrifying,” I blurted. “All I can think about is bullying.”
Silence and perplexed looks filled the room. “Your child was just born,” a female student said.
“I know,” I responded. “But this boy’s going to be raised to feel and express his vulnerability. That’s a curse in this culture.”
What worried me just as much was the flip-side realization: Whatever my wife and I tried to do to shape our son’s masculine identity would compete against such cultural norms as a postured indifference to school, which can lead to lower grades, graduation rates and academic motivation; a sports and gaming culture that exalt alpha domination (and aggressive male reflexes); and a tight-lipped John Wayne ethos that breeds alienation and, too often, depression.
All of the dread and loathing I’d always felt about the limiting script of traditional masculine norms came flooding back. I was faced with one of my biggest fears about parenthood: having a son.
The common wisdom, as research verifies, is that most men want sons. That’s starting to shift. Some men, like me, fear becoming fathers to sons.
At the website for the NPR radio show “On Being,” the writer Courtney E. Martin observes of many younger middle- and upper-middle-class fathers-to-be, “I’ve noticed a fascinating trend: They seem to disproportionately desire having a girl instead of a boy.” An informal Facebook survey she took yielded these results: “I wanted a girl mainly because I felt it was harder to be a boy in today’s society. If I have a boy I will embrace the challenge of raising a boy…who can learn the power of vulnerability even as male culture tries to make him see it as weakness. But, frankly, I hope that when I have a second child, it’ll be another girl.’” This was emblematic of a lot of the responses, which revealed that men felt more confident, or “better equipped,” co-parenting “a strong, confident daughter.”
Ms. Martin says that her own husband was relieved to have daughters instead of sons. He says: “‘I haven’t felt like I fit into a lot of the social norms around masculinity…. I’m much more interested in the challenge of helping a girl or young woman transcend sexist conditions. It feels more possible and more important, in some ways.”
These sentiments ripple well beyond this small pool of men. Consider, for instance, such blog pieces as “Men Need Daughters More Than They Need Sons” or “Every Guy Thinks He Wants Boys, But Every Guy Should Want Daughters.” Or: In a 2010 study, economists from the California Institute of Technology, the London School of Economics and New York University discovered, among other things, that adoptive American parents preferred girls to boys by nearly a third. The data was based on more than 800 adoptions that occurred between June 2004 and August 2009. The researchers suggested that this preference for girls might occur because adoptive parents “fear dysfunctional social behavior in adopted children and perceive girls as ‘less risky’ than boys in that respect.” Adoptive parents are even willing to pay an average of $16,000 more in finalization costs for a girl than a boy. Same-sex couples and single women showed an even greater proclivity for adopting girls.
These preferences weren’t limited to adopting parents. An article in Slate cites a study from the journal Reproductive Biomedicine Online which found that white couples preferentially select females through the increasingly common procedure preimplantation genetic diagnosis 70 percent of the time. (Patients using in vitro fertilization often use this procedure to vet their embryos for genetic abnormalities.) The article also says many fertility doctors observe that 80 percent of patients who are choosing their baby’s gender prefer girls.
What few of us seem to realize: The boys-will-be-boys behavior, which increasingly invites cringing, doesn’t originate with them. In “A New Psychology of Women: Gender, Culture, and Ethnicity,” Hilary M. Lips writes: “…parents tend to touch infant boys less often and more roughly than infant daughters and that daughters are handled more gently and protectively…” Research also shows that parents treat sons differently after they’ve suffered injuries than they do daughters, and another study, “Gender and Age Differences in Parent-Child Emotion Talk,” reveals that mothers use more emotional language with preschool-aged daughters than they do with comparably aged sons.
This imbalanced, man-card mind-set is part of our legacy because children ape the attitudes of the parent whose gender matches their own. In a Time magazine article about this study, Harriet Tenenbaum, a co-author, observes, “Most parents say they want boys to be more expressive but don’t know [they] are speaking differently to them…. These are learned stereotypes and we are reinforcing them as a society.”
The good news for boys is that men with a high emotional intelligence quotient don’t hand down these values. The bad news: Pressure from an unexpected corner makes such men gut-check their desire to embrace boys, not to mention their own emotional sensitivity.
A blogger on Vice, Chelsea G. Summers, thrills at how “misandry” — hatred of men — has become “chic.” She gushes that, in addition to a political agenda, this blanket antipathy promises some “great pop culture.” This has manifested itself, among other ways, through blogs and online essays and tweets that pillory and mock the growing trend of men crying — which, I know from my own and other men’s experience, can be the single act that most liberates and heals a painful past that devalues masculine sensitivity. Paradoxically, for some men, the third-wave feminism they embrace strong-arms them into muting the very sensitivity and empathy that opened their eyes to women’s plight.
Is it any wonder that some of us want little, if anything, to do with raising boys? The subtext bombarding us from many sides ultimately encourages us to abandon them, even as they founder beneath the chop of a changing world for which they lack the buoyancy. Yet men like me abdicate our responsibility by letting other men — the ones who don’t always encourage the broader, deeper humanity within males — raise boys. And we deprive ourselves of the opportunity to heal old wounds. …
Andrew Reiner teaches in the English department at Towson University and is working on a book about masculinity.
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…teaches in the English department…is working on a book about masculinity.
For some reason I have the impression he’s not exactly the right guy for that job.
There’s an old maxim regarding the challenge of parenting either sex:
“Boys piss you off. Girls break your heart.”
I guess poor dumb OCD Andrew is going to learn the hard way. Either way, I feel sorry for any kid who must bear Andrew’s perverse style of tutelage.
Problem number one: naming your son “Macallah”
http://tinyurl.com/shaunkingblm
Following Shawn's lead, he could go around saying he doesn't know who his real father was but he's certain he was black because his mom slept around with many black men.
Macallah?
As in George Allen's "macaca" moment.
MacAllah O’Muhammad. Or MacAllah FitzSuleiman.
He’s wrong. He’s not a “man” — he’s contemptible, sniveling, craven piece of excrement. He should be sent into exile instead to being allowed to teach his sickness to students.
“What few of us seem to realize: The boys-will-be-boys behavior, which increasingly invites cringing, doesn’t originate with them. In “A New Psychology of Women: Gender, Culture, and Ethnicity,” Hilary M. Lips writes: “…parents tend to touch infant boys less often and more roughly than infant daughters and that daughters are handled more gently and protectively…” Research also shows that parents treat sons differently after they’ve suffered injuries than they do daughters, and another study, “Gender and Age Differences in Parent-Child Emotion Talk,” reveals that mothers use more emotional language with preschool-aged daughters than they do with comparably aged sons.”
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement–teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They’re degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are “bullied”, you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won’t be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960’s and 1970’s having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.
Damn, Corvinus. I think I actually agree with you.
Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?Replies: @AndrewR, @Stan Adams, @Corvinus
The readers top picks for that piece are clobbering the author. Pretty much told him to grow a set of testicles they did.
I know the Times comments can often round on the authors pretty hard, but I worry when I see guff like this piece on social topics that it will turn out to reflect the real sentiments of the new generations. And I'm only 45.
Your info therefore cheers me up.
Lately I've discovered the downside of using Steve as my guide to what to read in the NYT is that I'm too slow to keep up with Unz first thing every morning and too easily annoyed to scroll through the times all the time, so I miss the chance to comment on any of their stuff before it closes. Glad others are picking up the slack.
One consequence of this shift to fathers favoring daughters over sons: An increasing push to get girls interested in masculine activities (sports, comic books, science fiction, etc). If a father can’t share these childhood interests with a son, he’ll turn to a daughter. Of course, lots of girls are more interested in girly stuff (princesses, Barbies, ballerinas, fashion models, etc), so this creates a certain amount of fatherly frustration.
The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more “welcoming” to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys’ own stuff like Star Wars.
Depending upon the nature of the girl, and the level of interaction with the father at a young age regarding athletics and outdoor activities, it is more likely that the girl will embrace some of those male proclivities.
"The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more “welcoming” to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys’ own stuff like Star Wars."
The potential to make profit is also an enticement. Marketing is the general rule here.Replies: @syonredux
A photo of the author.
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Of course, you never know, his wife might be the female equivalent of an alpha male.Replies: @Ivy
Is it me or does the author look like a skinny Garrison Keillor welcoming us to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average?Replies: @Oscar Peterson
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Have his balls dropped yet?
I get the feeling that these boys will eventually swing far to the other side and become open advocates for fascism. There will be a harsh rejection of liberal postmodernism; the stuff we see with Trump supporters now will seem like child’s play compared to the Generation Z backlash.
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Not exactly surprising…..
When my son, Macallah, was born five years ago, my college students asked how it felt to be a new father.
“Terrifying,” I blurted. “All I can think about is bullying.”
Hmm —- is “pussy” a trigger word?
Boys still turn out all right after all. It’s girls as young as 11 years old turning into entitled pampered little sluts these days that are a problem. But nobody wants to touch the subject, particularly NY Times balless wroters.
Andrew Reiner tl:dr ur a faggot.
This kid is going to be bullied, if not for any reason, for the sole reason that his dad is a huge pussy. Someone above mentioned it but this is going to create huge backlash in these kids.
Being a typical American female, I have no idea how his man’s wife can feel ANY attraction to him.
Being an American female, I have no idea how this man got a wife.Replies: @Rifleman
Does Towson University ring a bell for anyone? Remember their debate team?
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/%E2%80%9Ci_was_hurt%E2%80%9D_how_white_elite_racism_invaded_a_college_debate_championship/
The article is pornography for women. The guy is the same as a female porn star. He prostitutes himself for women. My wife doesn’t look at porn, and I sure as hell am not going to look at this garbage. People who think porn is real are mentally deformed. People who read these articles and take them seriously are also mentally deformed.
Could’ve gone with Danny or John or Matt or ANYTHING ELSE remotely masculine. Macallah is gonna get his ass kicked. A lot. Because you gave him a sissy name. Hope Macallah beats you up like Johnny Cash’s “Boy Named Sue” protagonist kicked his no good dad’s ass. You deserve every punch.
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement--teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They're degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are "bullied", you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won't be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960's and 1970's having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @guest, @Kylie, @Forbes
“Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement–teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior.”
Damn, Corvinus. I think I actually agree with you.
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Cross between Rick Moranis and Woody Allen
He will raise his boys to be vulnurable, but his girls to be strong and confident.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.
Are you sure about that one, BRO?
"The Semen Warriors" must surely be included in your broad perspective, yes?
http://www.orijinculture.com/community/masculinisation-dehumanization-sambia-tribe-papua-guinea/Replies: @AaronB
When I think of pre-Americanization male cultures [or even post-Americanization corporatized male cultures] of northeast Asia like Japan, the Koreas, or indeed the various Chinas, the word 'soft' would be the last I would use. Their emphases and expectations are not the same, perhaps less individually confrontational as part of being less individualist in general. But just as combative in groups and arguably much, much harder and more demanding of their members than American male culture has been this side of the frontiersmen. Maybe the Japanese male culture has been softening [heh] the last generation or so, with all these basement boys, but before that, I don't believe it. And that last phenomenon suggests a possible crisis of maleness in its own right. But the others- not yet. I assume even the tiniest and oldest Korean man could and would take me apart for the slightest infraction. And I bet they could.
Are you using hard and soft more as metaphors for individualist and collectivist/communitarian? I'd call Asians hard communitarians myself.
You set me to thinking about that issue though. I would not wish to insult Mediterranean Europe, but I could see ways in which their male cultures in modern times have been 'softer', what with the strong filial/maternal bonds some of them have. But I'm not too aware of how deep rooted these phenomena are in history.Replies: @AaronB
Anyone ever see now obscure Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Angel One"? I think that's actually the goal of progressives.
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Looks like a cross between Rick Moranis and Woody Allen.
I can fully understand his worry about bullying. After all, he seems determined to raise his son to be prey.
OT
Some readers may remember the brutal murder of Mia Ayliffe in Australia earlier this year.
DailyMail — Mia Ayliffe, 20, was stabbed to death by a crazed killer in remote Australian backpackers’ hostel
Here in this story you find a little bit of everything despicable about today’s western countries:
Mia had been dragged from her bed and stabbed by another backpacker, Frenchman Smail Ayad, 29…it is believed he targeted lively, attractive Mia as he developed an obsession with her after she was placed in a four-berth mixed sex dormitory alongside him…Although he is Muslim and shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ during his bloody killing spree, police have found no evidence Ayad was radicalised.
I’m sure when asked if they prefer to have a boy or a girl on Facebook by an NPR reporter, men give completely honest answers, right? I know I would!
Men with daughters get to shove parenting responsibilities onto the mother. Men with sons are expected to be parents. Surprised that no one has picked up on this lazy parenting theory in our current age of selfishness and "cult of me." Seems to make sense.Replies: @Njguy73, @Rifleman
At first glance I thought this twit had named his get after an African board game; and not one I’d want associated with any son of mine. Anyone who’s spent time in sub-Saharan Africa has seen village men squatting in the dirt all the day long, playing mancala, and gambling away the possessions of their wives and girlfriends while the women folk did the real work.
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Ha ha ha ha! Isn’t that the guy from “Honey I Shrunk The Kids”?
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement--teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They're degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are "bullied", you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won't be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960's and 1970's having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @guest, @Kylie, @Forbes
Roissy understands women. It’s a father’s job to teach his sons about women, especially in a culture where everybody else will lie to them about women. If it makes you feel good to feed your sons nonsense that will hurt them terribly (I’m sure you hear the same nightmare divorce stories I do), you’re not much better than the effeminate clown Steve quotes above.
Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?
Roissy indeed has shared countless valuable insights about women.
He's also a disgusting, vile, iredeemable degenerate.
These are not mutually exclusive things.
Personally I don't have the stomach to read his blog at all although I have appreciated some of what he's written.
I greatly prefer Rollo who is at least as bright and insightful but infinitely less trashy and sociopathic.
My father is brilliant - genius-level IQ - but schizophrenic. If I Google him, I see several mugshots in the results, each slightly more scary-looking than the last. I don't know where he's living right now. Last I heard, he was in a halfway house some hours north of me. I haven't seen him in many years. He tried to kill me when I was a baby, so we never had much contact.
One of my earliest vivid memories is of having to go downtown in the middle of the night to see him at the county jail. My mother got off the interstate on the wrong exit and we ended up in the worst - cough black ghetto cough - area of the city. (This was in the bad old days, when murders happened so often that they rarely made even the local section of the paper.) At one stoplight, my mother saw someone - cough a big black guy cough - lurching toward the car and hit the pedal, nearly causing an accident. Somehow we survived.
My father and I have a strong physical resemblance. I'm not schizophrenic - I lucked out on that front - but I am something of a schizoid. I was a loner when I was five and I'll be one when I'm 95.
My mother is ... something. Bipolar, maybe. Rage issues, hoarding, extreme clinginess ... I'm not a shrink, and she won't see one, so you tell me. She's afraid of the world, of being alive. There's always someone hiding behind a tree, waiting to rob or murder us.
(Her mother - my grandmother - is even more paranoid than my mother. Her sister - my aunt - is pathologically paranoid, as is my cousin. I'm something of a hoarder, at least when it comes to media - newspapers, magazines, books, VHS tapes/DVDs, computer software, and so on. But I have no problem tossing old food in the garbage.)
In her mid-60s, my mother is mostly incapable of handling her own affairs. I'm an only child, so it falls on me to keep her life from falling apart.
Neither of her two siblings has the slightest interest in taking care of my immobile Alzheimer's-suffering grandmother, so that responsibility falls on her ... and since she is incapable of dealing with it, it falls on me, as well. I don't enjoy it.
My grandmother inherited millions from my grandfather, then pissed them away (spendthrift habits, leeching relatives, bad investments, etc.). Her arrogance, coupled with a virulent, militant stupidity, was her undoing. She could never admit fault. Also, she could never tolerate disagreement, or any kind of unpleasantness - if you weren't blandly pleasant around her, or if you said something she didn't like, she shut you out and treated you as if you were invisible. I never had one truly meaningful conversation with her - she could never handle anything beyond "I'm fine; you're fine; everything is wonderful; no need to worry about anything."
I used to tell her about the craziness with my mother - the sudden, inexplicable, Joan Crawford-like rages. She would console me with a $10 - or, if I were really upset, a $20 - bill and a reassuring smile, and change the subject. For a long time, it worked. Money is like candy - it makes you feel good, for a little while.
One day, about ten years ago, I tried to tell her that my alcoholic, drug-addicted cousin was out of control, she stopped responding to me, told me that the devil was controlling my tongue, and began praying out loud that God would forgive me for saying such awful things about my cousin. She would not say anything to me, so I simply left.
(That was her modus operandi - she would force anyone who was saying something she didn't want to hear to shut up and leave. If others were present, and she didn't like what you were saying, her command to "Shut up" would come in the form of pinching your skin. She would break the skin, if necessary.)
(She didn't start going to church until after my grandfather died. Then, for about ten years, she was holier-than-thou-and-everyone-else. But I haven't heard her say a prayer in years - her Alzheimer's has returned her to her youthful state of religious indifference.)
Two days after that aborted heart-to-heart conversation, my cousin almost died in a car accident. My grandmother ended up spending tens of thousands of dollars on this one incident alone - one of many. She paid all of the legal costs and picked up the rehab tab.
The final insult was that my cousin left rehab after only two days. My grandmother happily paid the bill - "everything is okay now," she said, and that was the end of it. She was positive that my cousin would never do anything like that again. I knew better than to tell my grandmother that my cousin wasn't anywhere near "okay," and that we hadn't seen the last of such craziness, and I was right. (I won't go on - you get the idea.)
Not too long ago, I found a letter that my grandfather wrote to her shortly before his death, marked: "Read this after I'm gone." He implored her never to lend (let alone to give away) money to anyone, even her children, and to stay away from risky investments. "You must be firm," he wrote, underlining firm. He told her, in no uncertain terms, never to let anyone sweet-talk her into signing any papers. It was sad to see that she never followed his advice. He didn't work his ass off from the age of 13 up until the year before he died (in his mid-60s, of lung cancer) to have his legacy be squandered so thoughtlessly. I don't think he suspected that my grandmother could be as irresponsible as she ended up being. He knew that she wasn't his equal, but he didn't know that she
My grandfather started out sweeping the floors at a big company, worked his way up to salesman, rose through the ranks, became a top executive, then quit and started his own business. After his death, my aunt and my uncle took over his company and ran it into the ground. Now in their 60s, they are both unemployed, sponging off other relatives.
At any rate, you get my point.Replies: @middle aged vet, @Former Darfur
New literary genre: How Not To Raise A Trump
It’s okay… the coming US gender imbalance just matches the Chinese gender imbalance. Like Alexander the Great intermarrying his generals, Hillary and the PRC can arrange marriages to maintain the stability of the globalist empire.
“God never takes away something from your life without replacing it with something better.”-Rev.Billy Graham
More seriously, perversely, this is a step in the right direction. In the 1990s, the fad was to just give boys dolls and girls trucks and assume that would erase gender differences. The desire to avoid the “challenge” of boys is an implicit acknowledgement of the stability of gender identity.
Of course, there are other ways to express traditional maculinity, but “gaming culture,” which is the only activity this author can think of, is politically neutral because modern, culturally unbound, and aesthetically empty. Anything else you could push your son into, from music to the outdoors to science to public service, will serve to reinforce “whiteness” as well as masculinity.
Free range boys will be placed into foster homes, since their parents will be in prison.
Girls will drink your milkshake if they are not lactose intolerant.Replies: @Kylie
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Extreme wimp! Likely terrified his kid will turn out like Donald Trump. As these things are far more heritable than blank-slate NYT readers & writers believe, that’s not likely with him as a father.
Of course, you never know, his wife might be the female equivalent of an alpha male.
I probably spent at least 70 or 80 nights in such mixed-sex youth hostels in Europe in my late teen years, as far as I remember there were no rapes or murders, and also no Muslims. It is almost as if there is a difference in impulse control between Europeans and and dusky races.
Reiner.
We spent a century or so making every aspect of society incompatible with masculinity and now all of a sudden it’s difficult to raise a boy? Oy vey!
Start reading pre-war literature. There’s no catty, bitchy, “unhappy housewife” tone to everything. It’s like moving away from under a giant wind turbine and not hearing the background hum for the first time.
Sometimes a writer even goes so far as to express appreciation to men for, I dunno, creating all of civilization. It’s a bizarre moment and makes me feel like I’ve received a communication from an alien species.
Do they read books in English departments anymore?
Steve, I just tried to leave a comment and got a message that it wasn’t my usual handle. It was, though.
I was going to be stoic about this, but I was afraid that might cause depression, so I’m crying like a girl instead. Now I’m afraid I’ll be bullied.
Wilbur Hassenfus
There are basically no fights ever in upper class public schools anymore. Children are far less violent with one another compared to even 20 years ago.
The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more "welcoming" to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys' own stuff like Star Wars.Replies: @Chris Mallory, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Corvinus
If you have to push, they aren’t really interested in it.
My 11yo daughter has found her own way. She plays two sports, is a year from getting her black belt, loves super heroes and Star Wars, asked me to teach her to shoot and likes to play “shoot the zombie” video games. She also will spend 2 hours curling her hair, loves kittens, plays with her dolls, and collects stickers.
I told her I didn’t care if she was “pretty little princess” or “tough redneck girl” I wanted her to be who she wanted to be. She has developed her own identity combining both.
The truth is that white “men” are weak and cowardly
Is it any wonder that white females are increasingly preferring Men of Color?
Tiny, if you were a stopped clock, this would be one of those moments when you gave the correct time.
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Fred Armisan?
If teens can be counted on to rebel against their parents, I can’t wait for this jellyfish’s son to turn himself into a MMA-practicing pick-up artist real talking shitlord.
Perfectly encapsulates what I thought too. What a dorkus malocus.
This kid is going to be bullied, if not for any reason, for the sole reason that his dad is a huge pussy. Someone above mentioned it but this is going to create huge backlash in these kids.
{“I know,” I responded. “But this boy’s going to be raised to feel and express his vulnerability. That’s a curse in this culture.”}
translation: he and his wife are going to try to force his son to be a pussy, and they know he will suffer badly as a result
Lucky for Macallah (a single-malt plaited bread?), Andrew will likely fail miserably and the insidious pussification project will have the opposite effect.
That statement was a real howler. Whinging and expressing vulnerability is the highest virtue of this culture and endorsed by all the powers that be.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
Somebody needs to put you inside a Socratic dialogue. I think a conversation with the old man would reveal that you don’t know anything about masculinity.
I'm not against masculinity, but like anything in its extreme form it can be toxic....
Stoicism is good, but too much of it would make for an emotionally empty life...
Dominating nature is good, but too much of that leads to ecological disaster and modern alienation...
American culture is simply too lopsided, and things are coming to a head. We are living out the final implications of our unbalanced way of life.Replies: @TWS, @Coemgen
Jeezus, what a quake-buttock this guy is. You know his kid’ll go to a private school with an award-winning Anti-Bullying coordinator. He’ll learn not to bully so well that he’ll have to eat $hit the rest of his life.
That’s because she’s 11. If experience is any guide, when she goes through puberty, she’ll give up the zombie-killing aspect.
It seems to me like the author is uncomfortable with his own masculinity, and is therefore apprehensive about how to raise his son to be a man.
I googled the name “Macallah”, and got this result from names.org
“Out of 5,743,017 records in the U.S. Social Security Administration public data, the name “Macallah” was not present. It is possible the name you are searching has less than five occurrences per year. You might want to use a short version of your first name or perhaps your nickname.
On the other hand, you simply have a name that no one else in America is using. For 136 years only your parents have thought of using your name. Hoorah! You are a unique individual.”
Meanwhile, although I'm sure you will all hasten to remind me that correlation ain't causation, there's this shining example of American masculinity:
http://fortune.com/2016/10/13/covergirl-male-model-gen-z-james-charles/
Hey look, if people are gonna buy it, they're gonna sell it. Cracker Barrel backed down quickly when Phil Robertson's fans told Cracker Barrel to keep the old boy. It's really up to us.
What you’ve overlooked is that teens usually “rebel” against their parents by copying their ideas and then taking it further. There’s been more than enough time since the sixties to rebel against human equality and it hasn’t happened.
Real rebellion isn’t fun. It just gets you into trouble. That’s why “edgy comedians” shit on christians and not muslims and why there are no fashionable stylized Horst Wessel shirts.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
“That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world.”
Are you sure about that one, BRO?
“The Semen Warriors” must surely be included in your broad perspective, yes?
http://www.orijinculture.com/community/masculinisation-dehumanization-sambia-tribe-papua-guinea/
Dead ringer.
http://www.rickchung.com/2012/01/ifc-portlandia-season-2-review.html
Why don’t you enlighten me…
I’m not against masculinity, but like anything in its extreme form it can be toxic….
Stoicism is good, but too much of it would make for an emotionally empty life…
Dominating nature is good, but too much of that leads to ecological disaster and modern alienation…
American culture is simply too lopsided, and things are coming to a head. We are living out the final implications of our unbalanced way of life.
The Blank Slate Strikes Again.
It’s remarkable how many lefties deny evolution…
I googled the name "Macallah", and got this result from names.org
"Out of 5,743,017 records in the U.S. Social Security Administration public data, the name "Macallah" was not present. It is possible the name you are searching has less than five occurrences per year. You might want to use a short version of your first name or perhaps your nickname.
On the other hand, you simply have a name that no one else in America is using. For 136 years only your parents have thought of using your name. Hoorah! You are a unique individual."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @WhatEvvs
Hopefully, the writer made up a phony name for his son to use in this article to protect a little bit of the poor kid’s privacy.
This guy could conduct a master-level class in brown-nosing. No, wait, I believe his class list at Towson includes that.
Are you sure about that one, BRO?
"The Semen Warriors" must surely be included in your broad perspective, yes?
http://www.orijinculture.com/community/masculinisation-dehumanization-sambia-tribe-papua-guinea/Replies: @AaronB
Hmmm, I confess, some of the Stone Age tribes who never successfully transitioned to civilization might have an even more dysfunctional definition of masculinity than ours.
Andrews reminds me of the guy on the therapist couch with Lee Emery as the therapist in the Geico commercial
Lee’s character does the right thing, chews his ass off for being a crybaby.
There’s nothing a stint in the Army or Marine Corps reserve or even working among a bunch of blue collar whites won’t fix.
On a more serious note, I just wonder how many other white, upper class boys are being raised like this. The thing is I see pictures of young, upper class white men and they look pathetic. Physically frail and very effeminate. Sec Def Ash Carter is a prime example. A frail beta nerd running the military. That’s both pathetic and scary.
The other thing I’d like to know is do the upper class class white boys ever get in fights in school. Because I see it as a sign of virility in the young males. If they so well behaved they don’t even punk off and slug it out with one another, I’d wager that these boys have all virility bred out of them and are going to be very weak adults.
Exactamento. What kind of whackjob name is Macallah anyway? If Andy had any common sense he would have named his son Michael, which contains the exact same consonants in the same order, but I guess that’s too boring for his special boy.
BTW a fairly well-known musician around here (Bay Area) and his wife named their son Koya. I asked her about it once and she something to the effect of liking the sound of it.
If you were really afraid of your son being bullied, would you raise him to be weak and sensitive?
It doesn’t add up. He’s doing this in order to validate his own beliefs, not in the best interests of his child.
Further googling reveals that Macallah is supposedly an aboriginal word meaning “full moon”. Also, it contains the word “allah” which is very popular with more and more Americans including the wife of a former president.
This guy could conduct a master-level class in brown-nosing. No, wait, I believe his class list at Towson includes that.
Male version of Macaca.
As in George Allen’s “macaca” moment.
The Inet says Macallah means ‘Full Moon’ in Aboriginal, whatever that means.
As always, the key to happiness is choosing your parents carefully.
According to “mybabyname.com” the origin of Macallah is aboriginal.
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He should consider a paternity test before he springs for tuition at Shalom Academy. Seriously.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/
What a homo. Billionth-wave feminism won’t accept you, much less whatever wave we’re pretending they’re on today. Stop groveling.
By the way, the Western movie star symbol for tight-lipped masculinity is Gary Cooper, not John Wayne, per The Sopranos. As Tony said, “What happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type. That was an American. He wasn’t in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See, what they didn’t know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn’t be able to shut him up. And then it’s dysfunction this, and dysfunction that, and dysfunction [Italian word]!”
It says he’s working on a book about masculinity. How much you wanna bet it’s on the exact opposite of that?
The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more "welcoming" to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys' own stuff like Star Wars.Replies: @Chris Mallory, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Corvinus
A father who says he’s glad he never had a son is a guy who has two daughters and a wife who says – no more kids. Pathetic. Aesop recorded a fable about the fox and grapes.
The father is nothing if not loony, so it’s fitting. That boy is in for some dreadful grief.
As always, the key to happiness is choosing your parents carefully.
It was difficult to read, just too painful. Boy oh boy, what a weenie. I feel sorry for this guy’s son who’ll be seeing therapists until he’s in his fifties. I’ll be waiting for his book on masculinity because obviously he’s got a lot to teach us all and I’m just dying for an expert like him to teach me how to become a real maaaan. Hope it doesn’t entail getting dragons tattooed on my biceps.
I agree that trying to turn kids into things they’re not is counterproductive. You can provide discipline and strength, but if the kid wants to be a violinist or a programmer trying to turn him into a Marine is just going to mess him up.
But you can make sure he’s the toughest geek in the computer lab. Then he is the one who gets the only girl in there.
Will grow up to date Suleiman FitzMacAllah. Groomsmen include Gerald FitzPatrick and Patrick FitzGerald.
Plus a guy with both a Norman and a Gaelic patronymic would have taken a lot of beatings growing up in either 'community' and/or it would have been assumed to indicate some weird complicated form of interracial bastardy...
OTOH, Suleiman FitzMacAllah would indicate the grandson of Allah via a guy called MacAllah, the son of Allah. Not to mention proving that Allah not only did come to earth to make it with a human girl, contrary to teaching, he had a thing for redheads. And if MacAllah his son decided to become a jihadist, he could adopt the nom de guerre Abu FitzMacAllah.
Pity I'm not in the market for a new handle. Suleiman FitzMacAllah would have been excellent, if unnecessarily inflammatory.
If there is ever an Irish Islamic Jihad, I will be prepared to sign on with the all-important proviso that all caliphs be of the sacred Jacobite lineage. If necessary, we can prepare the way by marrying one such man now to a woman with descent from the Prophet.
My best plan for world peace ever, I swear.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
Hahahahaha. Nice work.
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Thanksgiving with Carl and Rob might be awkward this year.
Is it any wonder that white females are increasingly preferring Men of Color?Replies: @dr kill, @International Jew, @Hippopotamusdrome
I actually agree with you here, Duck. IMO contemporary American women talk the talk but they really want to get clubbed on the head and dragged back to the cave by their hair. Seriously.
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement--teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They're degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are "bullied", you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won't be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960's and 1970's having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @guest, @Kylie, @Forbes
I was only bullied once in my life, according to my standard for what constitutes bullying. Presumably the guy who wrote this article would say I was bullied every single day. But being spit on or having sand dumped on your head was part of being a boy, at least where and when I came from.
Anyway, this guy really pissed me off and triggered my fight or flight response a few days in a row in class. But I didn’t feel I could pop him one, because he was from the wanna-be gangsta clique, and it might’ve gotten me stabbed, literally. That was a bind, and unless I was to gather my friends for a rumble, which wasn’t going to happen, I had to weather the storm.
It was character-building, in a way. Whenever I’m frustrated I can say to myself, “Well, at least [X] isn’t poking the back of my neck with a paper clip and whispering obscenities at me.”
“…parents tend to touch infant boys less often and more roughly than infant daughters and that daughters are handled more gently and protectively…”
From day one my sons felt different from my daughter. Their infant bodies were muscular and strong while my daughter’s was limber, light, and more delicate. There was nothing subjective about this, my husband noticed the same thing.
My daughter slept more and was more cuddly. She responded to my touch and I felt more like a mother when just holding her would calm her crying. The boys didn’t much care if they were held or not. They screamed when hungry and just wanted to nurse constantly. My oldest son would actively squirm away from me when I tried to comfort him.
None of this is bad. It’s just a natural reality. boys and girls can be very different and we should celebrate difference and diversity.
"God never takes away something from your life without replacing it with something better."-Rev.Billy Graham
More seriously, perversely, this is a step in the right direction. In the 1990s, the fad was to just give boys dolls and girls trucks and assume that would erase gender differences. The desire to avoid the "challenge" of boys is an implicit acknowledgement of the stability of gender identity.Of course, there are other ways to express traditional maculinity, but "gaming culture," which is the only activity this author can think of, is politically neutral because modern, culturally unbound, and aesthetically empty. Anything else you could push your son into, from music to the outdoors to science to public service, will serve to reinforce "whiteness" as well as masculinity.Replies: @Ivy, @Romanian
The Dangerous Book for Boys will be burned at 451 degrees.
Free range boys will be placed into foster homes, since their parents will be in prison.
Girls will drink your milkshake if they are not lactose intolerant.
Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?Replies: @AndrewR, @Stan Adams, @Corvinus
Lol.
Roissy indeed has shared countless valuable insights about women.
He’s also a disgusting, vile, iredeemable degenerate.
These are not mutually exclusive things.
Personally I don’t have the stomach to read his blog at all although I have appreciated some of what he’s written.
I greatly prefer Rollo who is at least as bright and insightful but infinitely less trashy and sociopathic.
Of course, you never know, his wife might be the female equivalent of an alpha male.Replies: @Ivy
His wife may seek out an alpha male.
I don’t think they are lying. It’s like racial identity – when the advantage used to be on being white, light skinned mulattoes would try to “cross the color line” and live as whites, but now you have people with no black blood (Rachel Dolezal ) pretending to be black. As the father of both a boy and a girl, I think a girl today has an easier path ahead of her.
That’s commendable, but why not call him “Greg?” What could possibly motivate someone to use the false name he chose? Unless it’s a parody, in which case it would be brilliant.
That’s also a Louis CK routine.
A little over the top for me, but Louis himself is a mess.
In any case, men coyly underestimate their own power in those areas of the heart.
Playing the innocent is tiresome in both sexes. As for the fearful father featured in the article, Machiavelli could teach his little nipper a few tricks if dad doesn't.
Thank your God if you only sire sons.
It may be over the top for you, but Brad Pitt might agree.Replies: @middle aged vet
Weak, effeminate men don’t hold power for long. There is a reason Hillary! at age 70 is the likely next President not someone much younger. Tim Kaine? He might as well try out for the lead in the “Pee Wee Herman Story.” None of this will end well.
This is what happens when our society lies to men about what women want. They don’t want dutiful service, which is what built Western civilization and was the big secret of Western success in warfare against other peoples — the ability to stand in line and slaughter the enemy like it was an every day job. No warrior heroics and cowardice, no ups and downs, raids with low risk that never end; a battle of annihilation like a day threshing wheat.
What women want with economic independence is men who exude Alpha domination with room temperature IQs, and spot on this guy is writing pr0n for women the way that Amazon has thinly disguised dinosaur and werewolf porn for women as ebooks to avoid the censorship autobots and get booted.
Women ought to get what they want, and if they change their minds and want something like a lifetime of support, well they ought to earn it, by being young, pretty, and did I mention being young and pretty.
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“A photo of the author.”
Is it me or does the author look like a skinny Garrison Keillor welcoming us to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average?
I’ll add that we are already seeing male rebellion, its just not covered in the media, the latter being the domain of pearl clutching Nice White Ladies.
Roissy and the rest of the PUA have a proven and falsifiable method of seducing women; once men and boys learn the truth about women and female desire, what works and what does not, they will have a hard time not applying those lessons to everything female with results of contempt to lack of commitment to women and a feminized society.
Countless subcultures, from tats to Linux to tuner cars to craft beer to Xtreme anything are all about male rebellion. Horst Wessel was yesterday’s loser; but plenty of men admire and like that most Imperial of Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill. Heck even beer commercials play off that with “the most annoying man in the world” mocking 1950s style various Third World dignitaries straight out of a Dean Martin / Matt Helm movie in the 1960s.
And heck what is the Sinatra Renaissance and the love of the Rat Pack if not a giant extended middle finger courtesy of Ol’ Blue Eyes, the Chairman of the Board, to PC and pussydom and all that by doing it My Way?
The PUA's offer specific tricks to particular scenarios that they insist work based on broad generalizations about women. Yet, their "field tests" amount nothing more than blog postings. No actual "footage" of their conquests. And if they do offer visual evidence, it is usually with one woman out of the dozens of failures from their "fool proof" methods. It is interesting to note that these same men hypocritically 1) state they must teach women how to be "prim and proper" and 2) complain about the lack of "virginal" women for LTR's...while tickling women's amygdala to the point they "pump and dump", citing a lack of female agency and self-control as to why western civilization is crumbling.
"Countless subcultures, from tats to Linux to tuner cars to craft beer to Xtreme anything are all about male rebellion."
No, these subcultures are about male expression, which may entail a resistance to current societal norms.
Stayed in one hostel with about fifty in the room, 70% girls. Girls getting dressed beside their beds, barging into male toilets while your at the urinal. Somehow the young males controlled themselves around Europe’s finest. That was back early 90’s.
Haha I saw that NY Times vomit and thought it doesn’t get any weirder than today’s liberals. Then I came here and read the comments bemoaning the lack of fights and bullying in schools these days. Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right.
I think you meant the western world. Outside of that there are still Arabs and Africans.
MacAllah. Son of Allah?
I'm not against masculinity, but like anything in its extreme form it can be toxic....
Stoicism is good, but too much of it would make for an emotionally empty life...
Dominating nature is good, but too much of that leads to ecological disaster and modern alienation...
American culture is simply too lopsided, and things are coming to a head. We are living out the final implications of our unbalanced way of life.Replies: @TWS, @Coemgen
When you are this extreme no one will take you seriously. You need to tone it down a bit. Your comments are too over the top for the onion.
Dude looks quite hostile to me.
From the article I didn’t get the impression he really cared all that much about his son. What people thought about how he acted as a father, sure. But his son’s just an accessory.
A woman recently told me I look like Peter Lawford. I don’t know if that’s a masculine look or not (I don’t smoke or drink), but I have a feeling I look somewhat unthreatening, since people often take liberties with me. Thursday night I took my 93-year old Mom to dinner in Marin County. The handicapped parking space, which we hardly ever find vacant, was available this time, so I slowly edged in. The valet, who months ago told me doesn’t want people driving into that spot by themselves, got upset and kicked or slapped the car, startling my Mom. I got out and popped him under the chin (he’s tall) with open hands. He called the cops, they handcuffed me right in the restaurant, and I got a tonguelashing (“how OLD are you?”) from a condescending 20-something cop in combat gear. Since my Mom had no way home alone, I got cited out for battery. I’ll let you know how the trial goes.
He sounds pretty mainstream to me.
He fears having a son because he himself is not a man and he will fail because he can’t teach what he doesn’t know or understand. Calling him a beta is giving him to much credit.
As far as the trend of parents wanting girls? nothing says surrender like not wanting the next generation of warriors who will pass on and defend your culture and way of life. Women do not defend civilization, they acquiesce and join the culture of the mates.
Yeah, on your mom’s chin.
Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?Replies: @AndrewR, @Stan Adams, @Corvinus
Even without a father figure in my life, I’ve had a lifelong education in the pathopsychology of dysfunctional women.
My father is brilliant – genius-level IQ – but schizophrenic. If I Google him, I see several mugshots in the results, each slightly more scary-looking than the last. I don’t know where he’s living right now. Last I heard, he was in a halfway house some hours north of me. I haven’t seen him in many years. He tried to kill me when I was a baby, so we never had much contact.
One of my earliest vivid memories is of having to go downtown in the middle of the night to see him at the county jail. My mother got off the interstate on the wrong exit and we ended up in the worst – cough black ghetto cough – area of the city. (This was in the bad old days, when murders happened so often that they rarely made even the local section of the paper.) At one stoplight, my mother saw someone – cough a big black guy cough – lurching toward the car and hit the pedal, nearly causing an accident. Somehow we survived.
My father and I have a strong physical resemblance. I’m not schizophrenic – I lucked out on that front – but I am something of a schizoid. I was a loner when I was five and I’ll be one when I’m 95.
My mother is … something. Bipolar, maybe. Rage issues, hoarding, extreme clinginess … I’m not a shrink, and she won’t see one, so you tell me. She’s afraid of the world, of being alive. There’s always someone hiding behind a tree, waiting to rob or murder us.
(Her mother – my grandmother – is even more paranoid than my mother. Her sister – my aunt – is pathologically paranoid, as is my cousin. I’m something of a hoarder, at least when it comes to media – newspapers, magazines, books, VHS tapes/DVDs, computer software, and so on. But I have no problem tossing old food in the garbage.)
In her mid-60s, my mother is mostly incapable of handling her own affairs. I’m an only child, so it falls on me to keep her life from falling apart.
Neither of her two siblings has the slightest interest in taking care of my immobile Alzheimer’s-suffering grandmother, so that responsibility falls on her … and since she is incapable of dealing with it, it falls on me, as well. I don’t enjoy it.
My grandmother inherited millions from my grandfather, then pissed them away (spendthrift habits, leeching relatives, bad investments, etc.). Her arrogance, coupled with a virulent, militant stupidity, was her undoing. She could never admit fault. Also, she could never tolerate disagreement, or any kind of unpleasantness – if you weren’t blandly pleasant around her, or if you said something she didn’t like, she shut you out and treated you as if you were invisible. I never had one truly meaningful conversation with her – she could never handle anything beyond “I’m fine; you’re fine; everything is wonderful; no need to worry about anything.”
I used to tell her about the craziness with my mother – the sudden, inexplicable, Joan Crawford-like rages. She would console me with a $10 – or, if I were really upset, a $20 – bill and a reassuring smile, and change the subject. For a long time, it worked. Money is like candy – it makes you feel good, for a little while.
One day, about ten years ago, I tried to tell her that my alcoholic, drug-addicted cousin was out of control, she stopped responding to me, told me that the devil was controlling my tongue, and began praying out loud that God would forgive me for saying such awful things about my cousin. She would not say anything to me, so I simply left.
(That was her modus operandi – she would force anyone who was saying something she didn’t want to hear to shut up and leave. If others were present, and she didn’t like what you were saying, her command to “Shut up” would come in the form of pinching your skin. She would break the skin, if necessary.)
(She didn’t start going to church until after my grandfather died. Then, for about ten years, she was holier-than-thou-and-everyone-else. But I haven’t heard her say a prayer in years – her Alzheimer’s has returned her to her youthful state of religious indifference.)
Two days after that aborted heart-to-heart conversation, my cousin almost died in a car accident. My grandmother ended up spending tens of thousands of dollars on this one incident alone – one of many. She paid all of the legal costs and picked up the rehab tab.
The final insult was that my cousin left rehab after only two days. My grandmother happily paid the bill – “everything is okay now,” she said, and that was the end of it. She was positive that my cousin would never do anything like that again. I knew better than to tell my grandmother that my cousin wasn’t anywhere near “okay,” and that we hadn’t seen the last of such craziness, and I was right. (I won’t go on – you get the idea.)
Not too long ago, I found a letter that my grandfather wrote to her shortly before his death, marked: “Read this after I’m gone.” He implored her never to lend (let alone to give away) money to anyone, even her children, and to stay away from risky investments. “You must be firm,” he wrote, underlining firm. He told her, in no uncertain terms, never to let anyone sweet-talk her into signing any papers. It was sad to see that she never followed his advice. He didn’t work his ass off from the age of 13 up until the year before he died (in his mid-60s, of lung cancer) to have his legacy be squandered so thoughtlessly. I don’t think he suspected that my grandmother could be as irresponsible as she ended up being. He knew that she wasn’t his equal, but he didn’t know that she
My grandfather started out sweeping the floors at a big company, worked his way up to salesman, rose through the ranks, became a top executive, then quit and started his own business. After his death, my aunt and my uncle took over his company and ran it into the ground. Now in their 60s, they are both unemployed, sponging off other relatives.
At any rate, you get my point.
I always thought Bing Crosby was one of the pricks of earth, but now I see why giving a kid the money at age 65 might be a good thing. If the kid was jacked up, it's an effective way to have the wealth to skip a generation.
Is the author related to Meathead himself?
This is how liberal white parents raise their sons. In their eyes, everyone who is not a liberal is hopelessly bigoted and sexist and their parenting is dismissed without thought or mention. Mainstream American dads are still teaching their sons to throw and catch a baseball in the backyard on Sunday afternoon. They may be annoyed and concerned when they think about the discrimination their sons will face for being white men, but they don’t have the author’s concern of making sure their son is fey enough to satisfy the feminists.
It’s child abuse that these boys have to be raised by such Eloi flakes. You read about idiocy like this, and these useful idiots nowadays raising their kids to belong to no gender or encouraging them as toddlers to explore their ‘inner selves’ dressing them up as girls (the like-minded journalists of course gush with praise over it). No wonder so many liberals don’t want to have kids at all.
I'm not against masculinity, but like anything in its extreme form it can be toxic....
Stoicism is good, but too much of it would make for an emotionally empty life...
Dominating nature is good, but too much of that leads to ecological disaster and modern alienation...
American culture is simply too lopsided, and things are coming to a head. We are living out the final implications of our unbalanced way of life.Replies: @TWS, @Coemgen
Can you enumerate any “toxicities” associated with “feminity?” Show us that you are not as narrow minded as your comment implies.
Oh, there’s no lack of fights and bullying. The Daily News recently exposed a fight club at Bronx Science and called the students dorks. The students then attacked a reporter who broke the story.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-school-apologizes-newser-fight-club-threats-article-1.2829964
A guy this libtarded-up, makes you really wonder whether the kid is actually his, or some other guy had to step up to do the work.
Exactly.
I just found out yesterday that the baby I’m carrying (our second) is a boy. I wanted a boy for our first and I’m thrilled. I worry about his future in a way I don’t with my daughter, though. Not because of anything he might do, but because I’m very scared of how the feminist establishment is going to treat him as he matures. I’d like him to be masculine and have his masculinity valued and one day be a respected husband and father, and I feel like the larger culture and I working at cross purposes toward those ends.
“I’ve noticed a fascinating trend: They seem to disproportionately desire having a girl instead of a boy”
Men with daughters get to shove parenting responsibilities onto the mother. Men with sons are expected to be parents. Surprised that no one has picked up on this lazy parenting theory in our current age of selfishness and “cult of me.” Seems to make sense.
"The boy? What about him?"Replies: @Former Darfur
He pretty much did that with all of his kids.Replies: @Tracy
Could work the other way too, you think? Men help build your house but women build your life?
In any case, men coyly underestimate their own power in those areas of the heart.
Playing the innocent is tiresome in both sexes. As for the fearful father featured in the article, Machiavelli could teach his little nipper a few tricks if dad doesn’t.
Macallah could become a prominent negro leader like Shaun King.
http://tinyurl.com/shaunkingblm
Following Shawn’s lead, he could go around saying he doesn’t know who his real father was but he’s certain he was black because his mom slept around with many black men.
Whoa, cool! Are you the real Andrew Reiner? Will you take questions?
Yep. And to think “Andrew” comes from the Greek word for “man” or “manly”.
Louis was speaking more in terms of romantic relationships. I was referring to how a daughter can wreck a father like no son is capable. A neurotic son, while a pain in the ass, doesn’t compare to a neurotic daughter when it comes to pure soul-sucking power.
Thank your God if you only sire sons.
It’s already happening, thank God
Is it any wonder that white females are increasingly preferring Men of Color?Replies: @dr kill, @International Jew, @Hippopotamusdrome
Indeed. It’s only white men who are expected to be pussies. Black men get to be as masculine as they want to be, to the point where the most reliable path to fame and glory is to attack a policeman.
Tiny, if you were a stopped clock, this would be one of those moments when you gave the correct time.
That video cheers me up no end. Thanks.
STEM culture will be our country’s salvation. I, for one, will no longer salute our humanities overlords.
I doubt even 10 years ago that anyone could've publicly responded to media reporting--outside of a letter to the editor read by six people. With social media, the platform has been leveled--to the great discontent of the lapdog media, the female school principal--the establishment.
Roughhousing, backing up one's words, after school fights, Fight Club, king of the hill, taunting, bullying, et al., has been going on since time immemorial--Obama even does it, belittling his opponents. Why shouldn't the kids get in on the act...
My father is brilliant - genius-level IQ - but schizophrenic. If I Google him, I see several mugshots in the results, each slightly more scary-looking than the last. I don't know where he's living right now. Last I heard, he was in a halfway house some hours north of me. I haven't seen him in many years. He tried to kill me when I was a baby, so we never had much contact.
One of my earliest vivid memories is of having to go downtown in the middle of the night to see him at the county jail. My mother got off the interstate on the wrong exit and we ended up in the worst - cough black ghetto cough - area of the city. (This was in the bad old days, when murders happened so often that they rarely made even the local section of the paper.) At one stoplight, my mother saw someone - cough a big black guy cough - lurching toward the car and hit the pedal, nearly causing an accident. Somehow we survived.
My father and I have a strong physical resemblance. I'm not schizophrenic - I lucked out on that front - but I am something of a schizoid. I was a loner when I was five and I'll be one when I'm 95.
My mother is ... something. Bipolar, maybe. Rage issues, hoarding, extreme clinginess ... I'm not a shrink, and she won't see one, so you tell me. She's afraid of the world, of being alive. There's always someone hiding behind a tree, waiting to rob or murder us.
(Her mother - my grandmother - is even more paranoid than my mother. Her sister - my aunt - is pathologically paranoid, as is my cousin. I'm something of a hoarder, at least when it comes to media - newspapers, magazines, books, VHS tapes/DVDs, computer software, and so on. But I have no problem tossing old food in the garbage.)
In her mid-60s, my mother is mostly incapable of handling her own affairs. I'm an only child, so it falls on me to keep her life from falling apart.
Neither of her two siblings has the slightest interest in taking care of my immobile Alzheimer's-suffering grandmother, so that responsibility falls on her ... and since she is incapable of dealing with it, it falls on me, as well. I don't enjoy it.
My grandmother inherited millions from my grandfather, then pissed them away (spendthrift habits, leeching relatives, bad investments, etc.). Her arrogance, coupled with a virulent, militant stupidity, was her undoing. She could never admit fault. Also, she could never tolerate disagreement, or any kind of unpleasantness - if you weren't blandly pleasant around her, or if you said something she didn't like, she shut you out and treated you as if you were invisible. I never had one truly meaningful conversation with her - she could never handle anything beyond "I'm fine; you're fine; everything is wonderful; no need to worry about anything."
I used to tell her about the craziness with my mother - the sudden, inexplicable, Joan Crawford-like rages. She would console me with a $10 - or, if I were really upset, a $20 - bill and a reassuring smile, and change the subject. For a long time, it worked. Money is like candy - it makes you feel good, for a little while.
One day, about ten years ago, I tried to tell her that my alcoholic, drug-addicted cousin was out of control, she stopped responding to me, told me that the devil was controlling my tongue, and began praying out loud that God would forgive me for saying such awful things about my cousin. She would not say anything to me, so I simply left.
(That was her modus operandi - she would force anyone who was saying something she didn't want to hear to shut up and leave. If others were present, and she didn't like what you were saying, her command to "Shut up" would come in the form of pinching your skin. She would break the skin, if necessary.)
(She didn't start going to church until after my grandfather died. Then, for about ten years, she was holier-than-thou-and-everyone-else. But I haven't heard her say a prayer in years - her Alzheimer's has returned her to her youthful state of religious indifference.)
Two days after that aborted heart-to-heart conversation, my cousin almost died in a car accident. My grandmother ended up spending tens of thousands of dollars on this one incident alone - one of many. She paid all of the legal costs and picked up the rehab tab.
The final insult was that my cousin left rehab after only two days. My grandmother happily paid the bill - "everything is okay now," she said, and that was the end of it. She was positive that my cousin would never do anything like that again. I knew better than to tell my grandmother that my cousin wasn't anywhere near "okay," and that we hadn't seen the last of such craziness, and I was right. (I won't go on - you get the idea.)
Not too long ago, I found a letter that my grandfather wrote to her shortly before his death, marked: "Read this after I'm gone." He implored her never to lend (let alone to give away) money to anyone, even her children, and to stay away from risky investments. "You must be firm," he wrote, underlining firm. He told her, in no uncertain terms, never to let anyone sweet-talk her into signing any papers. It was sad to see that she never followed his advice. He didn't work his ass off from the age of 13 up until the year before he died (in his mid-60s, of lung cancer) to have his legacy be squandered so thoughtlessly. I don't think he suspected that my grandmother could be as irresponsible as she ended up being. He knew that she wasn't his equal, but he didn't know that she
My grandfather started out sweeping the floors at a big company, worked his way up to salesman, rose through the ranks, became a top executive, then quit and started his own business. After his death, my aunt and my uncle took over his company and ran it into the ground. Now in their 60s, they are both unemployed, sponging off other relatives.
At any rate, you get my point.Replies: @middle aged vet, @Former Darfur
Stan Adams – If I had a bunch of nuns and beer-brewing monks on speed dial I would contact them to offer up prayers on your behalf! (Actually, I sort of do, and I will). I have crazy relatives too; so did Patton. If Patton had no crazy relatives to toughen him up my uncle would have bought it in France 72 winters ago. A nice guy even though he never went out of his way to help me, but maybe he figured I would do fine without his help. I would have missed him.
Is it me or does the author look like a skinny Garrison Keillor welcoming us to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average?Replies: @Oscar Peterson
Yeah, except it’s Brooklyn, not Lake Woebegone.
” Girls, like, leave scars in your psyche that you find later, like a genocide or an atrocity…”
It may be over the top for you, but Brad Pitt might agree.
For some reason I read the kid’s name as Mac-allah, and now I can’t stop thinking of him as a Scots-Irish jihadi.
Or Allah gu Braith!
I googled the name "Macallah", and got this result from names.org
"Out of 5,743,017 records in the U.S. Social Security Administration public data, the name "Macallah" was not present. It is possible the name you are searching has less than five occurrences per year. You might want to use a short version of your first name or perhaps your nickname.
On the other hand, you simply have a name that no one else in America is using. For 136 years only your parents have thought of using your name. Hoorah! You are a unique individual."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @WhatEvvs
The boy might overcome it all, and insist on being called Mac. Where there’s life….
Meanwhile, although I’m sure you will all hasten to remind me that correlation ain’t causation, there’s this shining example of American masculinity:
http://fortune.com/2016/10/13/covergirl-male-model-gen-z-james-charles/
Hey look, if people are gonna buy it, they’re gonna sell it. Cracker Barrel backed down quickly when Phil Robertson’s fans told Cracker Barrel to keep the old boy. It’s really up to us.
Men with daughters get to shove parenting responsibilities onto the mother. Men with sons are expected to be parents. Surprised that no one has picked up on this lazy parenting theory in our current age of selfishness and "cult of me." Seems to make sense.Replies: @Njguy73, @Rifleman
And while shirking the responsibilities, the men get to do virtue signalling. “See how progressive I am! I encourage my daughter to be the next Hillary Clinton/Taylor Swift/Carli Lloyd/Simone Biles! And I take her to Hunger Games movie and WNBA games!”
“The boy? What about him?”
Is it any wonder that white females are increasingly preferring Men of Color?Replies: @dr kill, @International Jew, @Hippopotamusdrome
Let’s be scientific about the issue:
Picture of class of woman in typical white-black pairing:
Police: Girl, 4, found zip-tied, beaten thought her name was ‘Idiot’
How long before you start taking action against commenters that get "troll"ed a lot like you promised?
The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more "welcoming" to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys' own stuff like Star Wars.Replies: @Chris Mallory, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Corvinus
In my extended family I’ve noticed this. The girls learn to fly, scuba dive, drive race cars, et al, because they are only children or one of two girls.
It may be over the top for you, but Brad Pitt might agree.Replies: @middle aged vet
Well, yes, women are generally just as nice as men, and vice versa. The key thing is don’t expect the women to accurately appreciate the cool things guys do and don’t expect the guys to appreciate the things women do that other women admire. It is slightly more complicated than that, but just slightly – it is not rocket science, I have seen dozens of not very bright people figure it out. Louis CK is an idiot, but if he was my son, of course I would not say that (he is an idiot). I would urge him to shut up about his precious little “funny” ideas and get a decent job with a pension, he would be much happier that way. Same thing with Brad Pitt – what normal guy does not understand that he would have been much better off as a career NCO or as the most liked salesman at the local Ford dealership, with or without an Angelina Jolie in his life? God knows if he were my son I would have been devastated if he had deliberately chosen – against his father’s advice – to be a movie star instead of following the career NCO or Ford dealership route….Maybe I am wrong, but until today I did not realize there were people who really wanted a girl baby instead of a boy baby or a boy baby instead of a girl baby, so maybe I am just out of touch with the zeitgeist…
Brad Pitt...sure Angelina's crazy, but he's got any girl he wants. Acting is usually a bad idea. Brad Pitt is the one in a million who got lucky.Replies: @middle aged vet
http://bit.ly/2deVrl6Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @syonredux, @Mj, @Mj, @Father O'Hara, @Frau Katze, @Lot, @dr kill, @Ivy, @Langley, @SteveRogers42, @Jason Bayz
Who bitch dis is?
"The boy? What about him?"Replies: @Former Darfur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sinatra_Jr.
http://bit.ly/2deVrl6Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @syonredux, @Mj, @Mj, @Father O'Hara, @Frau Katze, @Lot, @dr kill, @Ivy, @Langley, @SteveRogers42, @Jason Bayz
Maybe, in addition to the cuckold-worthy self-hatred, his fear is that his own nerdiness will be reborn in his son.
That’s why the feminists are attacking it.
Exquisite troll. As I said in the other thread where this first came up, this article really isn’t about making sure Macallah is raised to be a p*ssy. This article is about what a wonderful sensitive and vulnerable father Andrew Reiner is going to be. The vanity is quite amazing.
Louis CK, well, maybe. A lot of times comedians are screwups with issues who can’t handle regular jobs well.
Brad Pitt…sure Angelina’s crazy, but he’s got any girl he wants. Acting is usually a bad idea. Brad Pitt is the one in a million who got lucky.
“a sports and gaming culture that exalt alpha domination”
It should be exalts, so on top of everything else, he’s got that to answer for.
Towson University? Never heard of it.
God, what a hellish existence, being not even an English professor at a nothing school but a fifty two year old English “lecturer.” His “publications” are not academic writing at all, just a bunch of middlebrow media quick-hits.
And here’s the thing: they can’t write worth shit. The Towson English faculty have one chance to make a first impression, and what they say is this:
Comedy gold. One sentence about good writing – and they screw it up.
Message in a bottle: Macallah Reiner, years from now if you find this page, know that we understand and we wish you well. You didn’t ask for this. The adults around you, and the society around you, let you down. We share your disdain for them. I hope that things have improved by the time you are a grown man, and I hope that you have found happiness despite this madness.
That’s heresy right there, don’t you know? You can expect throat slitting, stoning, dropping from a height, etc in your future.
Police: Girl, 4, found zip-tied, beaten thought her name was ‘Idiot’Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Hey Unz,
How long before you start taking action against commenters that get “troll”ed a lot like you promised?
I have to confess that when I first found out I was to be a father, I wanted a girl. But not for any of the reasons the author mentioned. For one, I am very shy and introverted (one of the effexts of which was not getting married and having a kid until I was 40). Given how much of personality is hereditary, I figured if my kid was going to inherit my introversion, it would be infinitely better if said kid was a girl. Because let’s face it, shy girls have a much less rough go of it than shy boys, for reasons that are too self apparent to need explaining. I guess on a subconscious level, I figured a girl of mine would have a better chance of passing on my genes (i.e. grandkids).
So of course I had a boy. Thankfully, it’s become apparent that he’s inherited close to 100% of his mother’s extroversion.
“Being a typical American female, I have no idea how his man’s wife can feel ANY attraction to him.”
Being an American female, I have no idea how this man got a wife.
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald "Alpha Octopus" Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary's choice of Tim " Pudgy Sissy" Kaine as her right hand "person".
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.Replies: @SFG, @BB753, @Forbes, @Tracy
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement--teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They're degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are "bullied", you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won't be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960's and 1970's having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @guest, @Kylie, @Forbes
Oh merciful heavens, don’t tell me you’ve spawned twice.
The larger problem is people viewing their children sociologically, rather than as individuals.
Free range boys will be placed into foster homes, since their parents will be in prison.
Girls will drink your milkshake if they are not lactose intolerant.Replies: @Kylie
Wonderful!
God, what a hellish existence, being not even an English professor at a nothing school but a fifty two year old English "lecturer." His "publications" are not academic writing at all, just a bunch of middlebrow media quick-hits.
And here's the thing: they can't write worth shit. The Towson English faculty have one chance to make a first impression, and what they say is this:Comedy gold. One sentence about good writing - and they screw it up.
Message in a bottle: Macallah Reiner, years from now if you find this page, know that we understand and we wish you well. You didn't ask for this. The adults around you, and the society around you, let you down. We share your disdain for them. I hope that things have improved by the time you are a grown man, and I hope that you have found happiness despite this madness.Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan
Wait a minute, dude’s son was born when he was 47. Not too many women in their mid-forties can pop out a kid. I suspect he’s hooked up with some young honey, possibly a former student. His cringing, emotionally fragile “post-masculine” game seems pretty tight. Roll on, playah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APwfZYO1di4
Lee's character does the right thing, chews his ass off for being a crybaby.
There's nothing a stint in the Army or Marine Corps reserve or even working among a bunch of blue collar whites won't fix.
On a more serious note, I just wonder how many other white, upper class boys are being raised like this. The thing is I see pictures of young, upper class white men and they look pathetic. Physically frail and very effeminate. Sec Def Ash Carter is a prime example. A frail beta nerd running the military. That's both pathetic and scary.
The other thing I'd like to know is do the upper class class white boys ever get in fights in school. Because I see it as a sign of virility in the young males. If they so well behaved they don't even punk off and slug it out with one another, I'd wager that these boys have all virility bred out of them and are going to be very weak adults.Replies: @Rifleman
They made R. Lee Ermey say “jack wagon” as an insult!
Jack Wagon.
Being an American female, I have no idea how this man got a wife.Replies: @Rifleman
You two ladies seem to be pandering to a misguided/Roissy influenced readership here.
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald “Alpha Octopus” Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary’s choice of Tim ” Pudgy Sissy” Kaine as her right hand “person”.
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.
Actually, Steve, if you could share your secrets for attracting conservative women despite being a nerd I'm sure lots of your readers would appreciate it. ;)
And that slam against Sailer? Really? If you think people with brains are necessarily "wimpy dudes," I have a lot of people for you to meet (including a former MS Engineer with a slew of patents who could grapple you to the ground and kick your ass before you saw it coming, a 6'3" half-Mexican who's smart as Hell and has never backed away from a fight, a marine with a sky-high IQ whom I'd love you see you challenge, etc., etc. Hell, my little 5'6" Pops (R.I.P.), an Italian attorney -- the kind other lawyers would call for advice -- fought thugs who tried to rob him when he was in his 80s. "Dayum, he strong for an old man!").Replies: @Hell_Is_Like_Newark
Men with daughters get to shove parenting responsibilities onto the mother. Men with sons are expected to be parents. Surprised that no one has picked up on this lazy parenting theory in our current age of selfishness and "cult of me." Seems to make sense.Replies: @Njguy73, @Rifleman
Donald Trump did that with Marla Maples and daughter Tiffany Trump.
He pretty much did that with all of his kids.
My father is brilliant - genius-level IQ - but schizophrenic. If I Google him, I see several mugshots in the results, each slightly more scary-looking than the last. I don't know where he's living right now. Last I heard, he was in a halfway house some hours north of me. I haven't seen him in many years. He tried to kill me when I was a baby, so we never had much contact.
One of my earliest vivid memories is of having to go downtown in the middle of the night to see him at the county jail. My mother got off the interstate on the wrong exit and we ended up in the worst - cough black ghetto cough - area of the city. (This was in the bad old days, when murders happened so often that they rarely made even the local section of the paper.) At one stoplight, my mother saw someone - cough a big black guy cough - lurching toward the car and hit the pedal, nearly causing an accident. Somehow we survived.
My father and I have a strong physical resemblance. I'm not schizophrenic - I lucked out on that front - but I am something of a schizoid. I was a loner when I was five and I'll be one when I'm 95.
My mother is ... something. Bipolar, maybe. Rage issues, hoarding, extreme clinginess ... I'm not a shrink, and she won't see one, so you tell me. She's afraid of the world, of being alive. There's always someone hiding behind a tree, waiting to rob or murder us.
(Her mother - my grandmother - is even more paranoid than my mother. Her sister - my aunt - is pathologically paranoid, as is my cousin. I'm something of a hoarder, at least when it comes to media - newspapers, magazines, books, VHS tapes/DVDs, computer software, and so on. But I have no problem tossing old food in the garbage.)
In her mid-60s, my mother is mostly incapable of handling her own affairs. I'm an only child, so it falls on me to keep her life from falling apart.
Neither of her two siblings has the slightest interest in taking care of my immobile Alzheimer's-suffering grandmother, so that responsibility falls on her ... and since she is incapable of dealing with it, it falls on me, as well. I don't enjoy it.
My grandmother inherited millions from my grandfather, then pissed them away (spendthrift habits, leeching relatives, bad investments, etc.). Her arrogance, coupled with a virulent, militant stupidity, was her undoing. She could never admit fault. Also, she could never tolerate disagreement, or any kind of unpleasantness - if you weren't blandly pleasant around her, or if you said something she didn't like, she shut you out and treated you as if you were invisible. I never had one truly meaningful conversation with her - she could never handle anything beyond "I'm fine; you're fine; everything is wonderful; no need to worry about anything."
I used to tell her about the craziness with my mother - the sudden, inexplicable, Joan Crawford-like rages. She would console me with a $10 - or, if I were really upset, a $20 - bill and a reassuring smile, and change the subject. For a long time, it worked. Money is like candy - it makes you feel good, for a little while.
One day, about ten years ago, I tried to tell her that my alcoholic, drug-addicted cousin was out of control, she stopped responding to me, told me that the devil was controlling my tongue, and began praying out loud that God would forgive me for saying such awful things about my cousin. She would not say anything to me, so I simply left.
(That was her modus operandi - she would force anyone who was saying something she didn't want to hear to shut up and leave. If others were present, and she didn't like what you were saying, her command to "Shut up" would come in the form of pinching your skin. She would break the skin, if necessary.)
(She didn't start going to church until after my grandfather died. Then, for about ten years, she was holier-than-thou-and-everyone-else. But I haven't heard her say a prayer in years - her Alzheimer's has returned her to her youthful state of religious indifference.)
Two days after that aborted heart-to-heart conversation, my cousin almost died in a car accident. My grandmother ended up spending tens of thousands of dollars on this one incident alone - one of many. She paid all of the legal costs and picked up the rehab tab.
The final insult was that my cousin left rehab after only two days. My grandmother happily paid the bill - "everything is okay now," she said, and that was the end of it. She was positive that my cousin would never do anything like that again. I knew better than to tell my grandmother that my cousin wasn't anywhere near "okay," and that we hadn't seen the last of such craziness, and I was right. (I won't go on - you get the idea.)
Not too long ago, I found a letter that my grandfather wrote to her shortly before his death, marked: "Read this after I'm gone." He implored her never to lend (let alone to give away) money to anyone, even her children, and to stay away from risky investments. "You must be firm," he wrote, underlining firm. He told her, in no uncertain terms, never to let anyone sweet-talk her into signing any papers. It was sad to see that she never followed his advice. He didn't work his ass off from the age of 13 up until the year before he died (in his mid-60s, of lung cancer) to have his legacy be squandered so thoughtlessly. I don't think he suspected that my grandmother could be as irresponsible as she ended up being. He knew that she wasn't his equal, but he didn't know that she
My grandfather started out sweeping the floors at a big company, worked his way up to salesman, rose through the ranks, became a top executive, then quit and started his own business. After his death, my aunt and my uncle took over his company and ran it into the ground. Now in their 60s, they are both unemployed, sponging off other relatives.
At any rate, you get my point.Replies: @middle aged vet, @Former Darfur
Grandpa should have set up an irrevocable trust.
I always thought Bing Crosby was one of the pricks of earth, but now I see why giving a kid the money at age 65 might be a good thing. If the kid was jacked up, it’s an effective way to have the wealth to skip a generation.
Something I’ve noticed about people of color living in Western lands is that, with a few refreshing exceptions, they tend only to refer to Western culture as “ours” when either 1) talking about any of its real or perceived negatives, or 2) legitimizing their claims to a slice of Western material pie in terms of riches, security, etc.
White progs are similarly negative about the West and when they refer to things “cultural” or “social” it has absolutely no rapport with anything I recognize as culture or society.
So I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that counting you in American or Western society would be charitable to a fault.
The revealed preferences of the Western elite clearly agree with me.
To save the West we must abandon Western culture - there might be a future for the West, but there cannot be a future for Western culture.
No matter how much Steve Sailor bangs on about how the way to save the West is through a preservation and revitalization of Western culture, this is a fundamental stupidity, a sentimental and nostalgic refusal to face facts.Replies: @random observer
C’mon, Doc. He just hates and resents his child. And this is the socially acceptable, career enhancing, clickbait-revenue-securing way of expressing it.
He can systematically destroy a little boy’s psyche and life…and get rewarded for doing it.
I’ve known quite a few religious cultists cut from the same cloth. Child sacrifice in the name of the gods, old or new.
Middle class parents may prefer daughters because they believe hypergamy is possible in their culture even if it isn’t because everybody can’t be above average except in Garisson Keillor’s Lake Wobegon.
It may also be that middle class parents who aren’t good at Maths want daughters, not sons, because the former can do better without Math in the tertiary sector. The primary and secondary sectors, of course, are widely believed to be fucked.
It maybe that contraception, cheap DNA tests, and heavy penalties for failing to pay child maintenance have altered the fitness landscape such that alpha males are disincentivized from spreading their seed the way Nature intended. Instead, it is jobless omega male who takes on the role in between working on his prison tats.
Whatever the solution to the problem, it can’t be hugging the little tyke or encouraging him to cry. That shit is only okay if we lost the game.
Little boys are conscious of their bodily inferiority- which is why they like superhero comics and pro wrestling. Mum is welcome to whisper honeyed words and appeal dewy eyed for a little kiss. Dads should deploy an arcane vocabulary of 4 letter words while indulging in slapstick DIY. It is our shot at passing on something of our ’emotional intelligence’.
"God never takes away something from your life without replacing it with something better."-Rev.Billy Graham
More seriously, perversely, this is a step in the right direction. In the 1990s, the fad was to just give boys dolls and girls trucks and assume that would erase gender differences. The desire to avoid the "challenge" of boys is an implicit acknowledgement of the stability of gender identity.Of course, there are other ways to express traditional maculinity, but "gaming culture," which is the only activity this author can think of, is politically neutral because modern, culturally unbound, and aesthetically empty. Anything else you could push your son into, from music to the outdoors to science to public service, will serve to reinforce "whiteness" as well as masculinity.Replies: @Ivy, @Romanian
Depends on the gaming culture. I don’t have that much spare time, anymore, and I prefer reading over gaming, but I have played games which were thoughtful, interesting, educational and aesthetically significant (I don’t do multiplayer though). And I totally disagree about the culturally unbound bit. It’s like saying great literature can’t exist because they have to share the medium with penny dreadfuls, pulps and dime novels.
God, what a hellish existence, being not even an English professor at a nothing school but a fifty two year old English "lecturer." His "publications" are not academic writing at all, just a bunch of middlebrow media quick-hits.
And here's the thing: they can't write worth shit. The Towson English faculty have one chance to make a first impression, and what they say is this:Comedy gold. One sentence about good writing - and they screw it up.
Message in a bottle: Macallah Reiner, years from now if you find this page, know that we understand and we wish you well. You didn't ask for this. The adults around you, and the society around you, let you down. We share your disdain for them. I hope that things have improved by the time you are a grown man, and I hope that you have found happiness despite this madness.Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan
It’s the second largest state school in Maryland, and has 22,000 students, about 3,000 of them graduate students.
Almost all of Towson University’s graduate level programs are in practical areas—Physician Assistant Studies, Marketing Intelligence, Speech-Language Pathology, Homeland Security Management, Instructional Technology-Library Media, and so on. In other words, these are diploma programs aimed at filling vacancies in specific job categories in the real world.
Andrew Reiner is himself a product of Towson, and has a B.A. in Mass Communication and an M.S. in Professional Writing from there, in addition to a Writing Seminars M.F.A. from Bennington College.
Shit. Just shit. Every damn mewling word of it. People who write nonsense like this deserve the fate that is coming for them.
In a sane world, child protective services would remove this kid.
I hope he has a cool uncle.
Or gets drafted or something.
Ow, my ear!
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald "Alpha Octopus" Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary's choice of Tim " Pudgy Sissy" Kaine as her right hand "person".
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.Replies: @SFG, @BB753, @Forbes, @Tracy
My guess is Sailer inherited enough traditional American masculinity from being raised that way to snag a woman who wasn’t…well, I can only imagine what the article author’s wife was like. Or maybe he used to work out a lot when he was a kid. He almost never talks about his wife or kids, I guess to shield them from the consequences of his ideological unpopularity (admirable in our confessional age where your son’s embarrassing secrets are grist for your mommyblog).
Actually, Steve, if you could share your secrets for attracting conservative women despite being a nerd I’m sure lots of your readers would appreciate it. 😉
He’ll be OK as long as he remains in his little SWPL bubble… until he gets cracked upside the head like Matthew Yglesias did, or divorce raped by his wife
Female culture is a major contributor to this phantasm of patriarchy. Male culture by contrast is always there for the wimps who can’t get laid, because if their character or skill set is right, there’s a place for them in the pecking order.
Marrying Angelina Jolie is the worst move Pitt ever made. He could have married virtually any woman in the world and he chose that psychopathic wreck of a woman with silicone tits? She’s not even that good-looking!
But sometimes I think she must have had a raging serious personality defect to drive Pitt to Angelina.
Because if it's straight physical appearance, Jennifer should win. Much more beautiful, even then. Even more so now.
Unless Brad just wanted him some crazy.Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald "Alpha Octopus" Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary's choice of Tim " Pudgy Sissy" Kaine as her right hand "person".
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.Replies: @SFG, @BB753, @Forbes, @Tracy
Steve probably had “tall man game”, as pua Roosh used to put it. Being nerdy and wimpy is not the same thing. Sailer comes across as a balanced, likable person. Getting a girl isn’t that difficult or didn’t use to be that difficult in the past. Young guys today live in dating hell.
Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?Replies: @AndrewR, @Stan Adams, @Corvinus
“Roissy understands women.”
He understands how to make efforts to bed women.
“It’s a father’s job to teach his sons about women, especially in a culture where everybody else will lie to them about women.”
Roissy is not even a father, nor desires to be one. In light of being a perpetual single adolescent, does he not have his own agenda to state “facts” about women to his adoring toadies?
“If it makes you feel good to feed your sons nonsense that will hurt them terribly (I’m sure you hear the same nightmare divorce stories I do), you’re not much better than the effeminate clown Steve quotes above.”
So you are taking the Hillary approach to parenting–it takes a village. Should I send my children to you to drink your wellspring of knowledge on the topic of women? Not that you would indoctrinate them at all with your “truths” about the female species.
“Or do you just honestly not have a clue what Roissy actually has to say about the subject?”
I have perused his blog long enough to know that he focuses less and less on “game” and more and more on Trump, Jews, race mixing, and the Alt Right.
In other words, it is a trade school for people who will work in some government bureaucracy or non-productive sector and not really a university in the traditional sense. This explains why even their English dept. writes in bureaucratese and why their faculty are filled with even more PC nonsense than most university faculties.
So of course I had a boy. Thankfully, it's become apparent that he's inherited close to 100% of his mother's extroversion.Replies: @Jack D, @penskefile
Before we had “scientific” psychology, etc. we had folk wisdom. One kernel of folk wisdom was that girls inherit their mother’s character and their father’s brains, while boys inherit their father’s character and their mother’s brains. In my own family, I find that this explains a lot.
Roissy and the rest of the PUA have a proven and falsifiable method of seducing women; once men and boys learn the truth about women and female desire, what works and what does not, they will have a hard time not applying those lessons to everything female with results of contempt to lack of commitment to women and a feminized society.
Countless subcultures, from tats to Linux to tuner cars to craft beer to Xtreme anything are all about male rebellion. Horst Wessel was yesterday's loser; but plenty of men admire and like that most Imperial of Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill. Heck even beer commercials play off that with "the most annoying man in the world" mocking 1950s style various Third World dignitaries straight out of a Dean Martin / Matt Helm movie in the 1960s.
And heck what is the Sinatra Renaissance and the love of the Rat Pack if not a giant extended middle finger courtesy of Ol' Blue Eyes, the Chairman of the Board, to PC and pussydom and all that by doing it My Way?Replies: @Corvinus
“Roissy and the rest of the PUA have a proven and falsifiable method of seducing women; once men and boys learn the truth about women and female desire, what works and what does not, they will have a hard time not applying those lessons to everything female with results of contempt to lack of commitment to women and a feminized society.”
The PUA’s offer specific tricks to particular scenarios that they insist work based on broad generalizations about women. Yet, their “field tests” amount nothing more than blog postings. No actual “footage” of their conquests. And if they do offer visual evidence, it is usually with one woman out of the dozens of failures from their “fool proof” methods. It is interesting to note that these same men hypocritically 1) state they must teach women how to be “prim and proper” and 2) complain about the lack of “virginal” women for LTR’s…while tickling women’s amygdala to the point they “pump and dump”, citing a lack of female agency and self-control as to why western civilization is crumbling.
“Countless subcultures, from tats to Linux to tuner cars to craft beer to Xtreme anything are all about male rebellion.”
No, these subcultures are about male expression, which may entail a resistance to current societal norms.
The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more "welcoming" to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys' own stuff like Star Wars.Replies: @Chris Mallory, @dr kill, @Former Darfur, @Corvinus
“Of course, lots of girls are more interested in girly stuff (princesses, Barbies, ballerinas, fashion models, etc), so this creates a certain amount of fatherly frustration.”
Depending upon the nature of the girl, and the level of interaction with the father at a young age regarding athletics and outdoor activities, it is more likely that the girl will embrace some of those male proclivities.
“The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more “welcoming” to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys’ own stuff like Star Wars.”
The potential to make profit is also an enticement. Marketing is the general rule here.
BB753…
“Young guys today live in dating hell.”
Overall, guys are actually doing quite well for themselves.
Max Deferral…
“Male culture by contrast is always there for the wimps who can’t get laid, because if their character or skill set is right, there’s a place for them in the pecking order.”
That’s the problem right there…pecking order. The PUA’s artificially create this male hierarchy based on what they believe ought to be appropriate male behavior. Anything that does meet the standards gets you labeled “beta” or “gamma”. It’s quite a racket they have going.
Old Okie…
“He fears having a son because he himself is not a man and he will fail because he can’t teach what he doesn’t know or understand. Calling him a beta is giving him to much credit.”
The author is a man, he just is defining what he believes is manhood differently than you. Now, I agree that he ought not be “afraid” of raising a son, but you or I don’t know if he will “fail”. Perhaps you could be a good sport, contact the dad, and offer up your services. That would be the “alpha” thing to do.
“As far as the trend of parents wanting girls? nothing says surrender like not wanting the next generation of warriors who will pass on and defend your culture and way of life. Women do not defend civilization, they acquiesce and join the culture of the mates.”
Men and women defend civilization in their own ways. I really don’t know why you would think differently.
Yeah, I'm sure getting neo-Nazi frog memes is going to make him rethink his ways. The best you can hope for is the kid discovers game on the web.
So of course I had a boy. Thankfully, it's become apparent that he's inherited close to 100% of his mother's extroversion.Replies: @Jack D, @penskefile
You need to read up on the definitions of introversion/extroversion and how those traits are manifested in behavior.
He used to have a lot of good stuff on how to pick up girls, actually–I was far too behind the curve to use some of the more advanced techniques, but principles of not looking too needy, social proof, and demonstrating higher value actually did help me out.
Much like Roosh, he has gone full Nazi, I agree. (Well, technically Roosh is a patriarchal neomasculinist, but nobody ever let Casanova run their country.)
"Young guys today live in dating hell."
Overall, guys are actually doing quite well for themselves.
Max Deferral...
"Male culture by contrast is always there for the wimps who can’t get laid, because if their character or skill set is right, there’s a place for them in the pecking order."
That's the problem right there...pecking order. The PUA's artificially create this male hierarchy based on what they believe ought to be appropriate male behavior. Anything that does meet the standards gets you labeled "beta" or "gamma". It's quite a racket they have going.
Old Okie...
"He fears having a son because he himself is not a man and he will fail because he can’t teach what he doesn’t know or understand. Calling him a beta is giving him to much credit."
The author is a man, he just is defining what he believes is manhood differently than you. Now, I agree that he ought not be "afraid" of raising a son, but you or I don't know if he will "fail". Perhaps you could be a good sport, contact the dad, and offer up your services. That would be the "alpha" thing to do.
"As far as the trend of parents wanting girls? nothing says surrender like not wanting the next generation of warriors who will pass on and defend your culture and way of life. Women do not defend civilization, they acquiesce and join the culture of the mates."
Men and women defend civilization in their own ways. I really don't know why you would think differently.Replies: @SFG
Perhaps you could be a good sport, contact the dad, and offer up your services.
Yeah, I’m sure getting neo-Nazi frog memes is going to make him rethink his ways. The best you can hope for is the kid discovers game on the web.
Schopenhauer described the exact same crossover of character and intelligence from mothers to sons, fathers to daughters in one of his books, and I agree, it explains a lot in my family as well. There is also the phenomenon of skipping generations; if you know your family history well you can see it.
The X chromosome’s pretty big, and boys get it solely from their mothers. What we’re probably seeing is the outsize influence of Mom on Son, and then our pattern-forming brains have to complete the picture and go Dad to Daughter as well.
54% is pretty close to 50%, though.
So Schopenhauer is wrong.Replies: @SPMoore8
Looking at the size of the X chromosome, and its enrichment for genes that influence intelligence, it’s entirely possible that one’s mother accounts for as much as 54% of the genetic variance in intelligence.
54% is pretty close to 50%, though.
So Schopenhauer is wrong.
Yesterday my adult son had me watch an ESPN special called "Fastball" (it was very good) concerning MLB and who threw the fastest, etc. One interesting point is that all of the players insisted that there was a phenomenon known as a "rising fastball" while all of the scientists insisted that that was physically impossible. This reminded me that there's a difference between physical facts and how people actually experience them.
Schopenhauer's mother was a lady novelist, perhaps that's where he got the idea (he also averred that men with short necks were the most attractive to women, you can probably guess what kind of neck he had). I think however that another factor that would incline a son towards his mother's intellect is the fact that mother's generally have more to do with a child's intellectual development than fathers: Not always, but often.
One thing I have noticed in my own family is a propensity for word mastery and musical mastery. You can almost trace where it starts and how it migrated. The same goes for high intelligence and mental illness, alas.Replies: @Antonymous
The author of the piece fails to realize that just because a research study references a particular trend, it does NOT mean it is a universal phenomenon. Replication is required. Even then given how sociological research has come under fire later, are we even able to trust these results? Moreover, I would like to know the design of the study, for that would offer the appropriate context.
Anecdotally speaking, several of my friends have sons. I have two boys. We are in universal agreement--teach them to be manly regardless of the PC police, the way our mothers and fathers taught us, in the way we as parents believe what constitutes manly behavior. None of that crap that Roissy or Roosh advocate. They're degenerates.
For example, our boys know if they are "bullied", you remind the offender twice to stop, and the third time you pop them. There won't be consequences at home if they were defending themselves. Even the mothers are on board with this philosophically, perhaps even more rabidly.
I believe it is more of a generational thing, having our cohort of friends being born in the 1960's and 1970's having this attitude, with our parents ranging from strict Catholics to moderates to unabashed atheist lefties.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @guest, @Kylie, @Forbes
That would be crap that that Roissy and Roosh advocate.
Stopping bullying by using physical force has been an "old school" approach. Did you ever watch "A Christmas Story"?
Only when Trump uses it…apparently.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
Should have stopped after the first 3 sentences…
Murder is no longer considered radical…as a consequence of Muslims interacting with Westerners…
54% is pretty close to 50%, though.
So Schopenhauer is wrong.Replies: @SPMoore8
Well, Jack D’s original folk wisdom, which Schopenhauer observed about 180 years ago (in the discussion of human sexuality in Volume 2 of the The World as Will and Representation) was that sons got their intelligence from their mothers, and their character from their fathers, and vice versa for daughters. However, in the end both of those are simple indices of mind, so it’s going to come out to 50/50 either way.
Yesterday my adult son had me watch an ESPN special called “Fastball” (it was very good) concerning MLB and who threw the fastest, etc. One interesting point is that all of the players insisted that there was a phenomenon known as a “rising fastball” while all of the scientists insisted that that was physically impossible. This reminded me that there’s a difference between physical facts and how people actually experience them.
Schopenhauer’s mother was a lady novelist, perhaps that’s where he got the idea (he also averred that men with short necks were the most attractive to women, you can probably guess what kind of neck he had). I think however that another factor that would incline a son towards his mother’s intellect is the fact that mother’s generally have more to do with a child’s intellectual development than fathers: Not always, but often.
One thing I have noticed in my own family is a propensity for word mastery and musical mastery. You can almost trace where it starts and how it migrated. The same goes for high intelligence and mental illness, alas.
I was born into Western culture, but it should be sufficiently obvious from my comments that I consider Western culture fatally flawed and likely to produce dissatisfaction and self hate in anyone who seriously embraces it.
The revealed preferences of the Western elite clearly agree with me.
To save the West we must abandon Western culture – there might be a future for the West, but there cannot be a future for Western culture.
No matter how much Steve Sailor bangs on about how the way to save the West is through a preservation and revitalization of Western culture, this is a fundamental stupidity, a sentimental and nostalgic refusal to face facts.
If I were to describe the revealed preferences of Western elites, I'm not sure I could characterize them. They seem to like a wide array of selected nuggets of Western culture, variously old and modern with a bias to recent output, with an approach to society and governance that combines the structural modes of 18thc enlightened despotism and the ideological content of 60s-70s new wave science fiction novels.
DO you have forms of society and politics you would offer as alternatives for "the West", and would these be non-Western or derivative of other elements of the Western tradition than those currently on top?
I'm not sure the mandate of heaven or a chakravartin style monarchy are going to graft well. Caliphate, maybe.Replies: @AaronB
Exactly.
What’s fascinating is how media is now a two-way street–the students didn’t like being called dorks and nerds by the NYDN. So they answered back with their own taunts. (You can call the response immature–but they’re teenagers after all.)
I doubt even 10 years ago that anyone could’ve publicly responded to media reporting–outside of a letter to the editor read by six people. With social media, the platform has been leveled–to the great discontent of the lapdog media, the female school principal–the establishment.
Roughhousing, backing up one’s words, after school fights, Fight Club, king of the hill, taunting, bullying, et al., has been going on since time immemorial–Obama even does it, belittling his opponents. Why shouldn’t the kids get in on the act…
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald "Alpha Octopus" Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary's choice of Tim " Pudgy Sissy" Kaine as her right hand "person".
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.Replies: @SFG, @BB753, @Forbes, @Tracy
Women will chase and bed Alphas, while NEVER publicly admitting to such behavior–all while gossiping to their BFF what he did to her in bed. Meanwhile, they marry beta-providers (most men). Andrew Reiner is not anywhere close to being a beta male. Sounds gamma.
Women who have tats, or are in porn, or write romance novels actually show to the world their conduct.
"Meanwhile, they marry beta-providers (most men). Andrew Reiner is not anywhere close to being a beta male. Sounds gamma."
How would you characterize yourself? Why?
As far as the trend of parents wanting girls? nothing says surrender like not wanting the next generation of warriors who will pass on and defend your culture and way of life. Women do not defend civilization, they acquiesce and join the culture of the mates.Replies: @Dissident
Some do, though, like the late Phyliss Schlafley or the great Kim Davis.
It’s been measured: there’s no noticeably higher correlation between a son’s IQ and his mother ‘s IQ than there is with his father’s IQ.
Depending upon the nature of the girl, and the level of interaction with the father at a young age regarding athletics and outdoor activities, it is more likely that the girl will embrace some of those male proclivities.
"The obvious solution involves making masculine activities more “welcoming” to girls. Hence, the sudden proliferation of female characters in boys’ own stuff like Star Wars."
The potential to make profit is also an enticement. Marketing is the general rule here.Replies: @syonredux
“Depending on the nature of the girl,” sure.It’s just that girls with feminine natures tend to outnumber tomboys.
Marketing is always a factor. Cf how Sony tried to use go-girl feminism to its advantage with the recent all-female Ghostbusters re-make.
This is in the USA? Gender selection has never been much of an issue in the US because in IVF, when families chose to have two embryos implanted, it is normal to pick both a male and female.
In other countries, the problem is the parents deciding to have only boys.
I just learned that there is a football player named Christine Michaels. RB for the Seahawks.
But not to worry, his parents made up for it by giving him the middle name Lynn.
Is this Andrew Reiner the same guy who co-writes sci fi with Chris Kluwe?
How has Roosh “gone full Nazi”?
Hillary is going to win the Presidency because women hate hate hate Donald "Alpha Octopus" Trump.
They have no problem with Hillary's choice of Tim " Pudgy Sissy" Kaine as her right hand "person".
Let that sink in.
I mean Steve Sailer managed to get a wife. Wimpy dudes have no trouble finding women to marry them.Replies: @SFG, @BB753, @Forbes, @Tracy
No, “women” don’t hate, hate, hate Trump; feminists do. Big difference. Every female in my family, my two female friends, and pretty much every woman talking about it on my 6,000 member discussion forum are all voting for him (along with my best guy friend, a black man). The only person in my family voting for Her is a guy — a straight guy at that (I so don’t get it, and, yes, I’m working on him). You might not buy it because the media don’t give coverage to women who aren’t feminist types, but we’re here. Most definitely.
And that slam against Sailer? Really? If you think people with brains are necessarily “wimpy dudes,” I have a lot of people for you to meet (including a former MS Engineer with a slew of patents who could grapple you to the ground and kick your ass before you saw it coming, a 6’3″ half-Mexican who’s smart as Hell and has never backed away from a fight, a marine with a sky-high IQ whom I’d love you see you challenge, etc., etc. Hell, my little 5’6″ Pops (R.I.P.), an Italian attorney — the kind other lawyers would call for advice — fought thugs who tried to rob him when he was in his 80s. “Dayum, he strong for an old man!”).
I notice that many younger non-married women are really anti-Trump. Not sure if I would call the ones I know as 'feminists' though. Women it seems are hard wired to collectivism, unless it hurts them directly (i.e. makes her hubby breadwinner poorer). Even then, some wives will still vote hard left.
He pretty much did that with all of his kids.Replies: @Tracy
Most women want to be stay-at-home mothers.
Just for clarification, I was referring to you, not your son, dearie.
What an incredibly narcissistic way to look at raising children.
And that slam against Sailer? Really? If you think people with brains are necessarily "wimpy dudes," I have a lot of people for you to meet (including a former MS Engineer with a slew of patents who could grapple you to the ground and kick your ass before you saw it coming, a 6'3" half-Mexican who's smart as Hell and has never backed away from a fight, a marine with a sky-high IQ whom I'd love you see you challenge, etc., etc. Hell, my little 5'6" Pops (R.I.P.), an Italian attorney -- the kind other lawyers would call for advice -- fought thugs who tried to rob him when he was in his 80s. "Dayum, he strong for an old man!").Replies: @Hell_Is_Like_Newark
Maybe it is because I live in a deep blue part of a very blue state….
I notice that many younger non-married women are really anti-Trump. Not sure if I would call the ones I know as ‘feminists’ though. Women it seems are hard wired to collectivism, unless it hurts them directly (i.e. makes her hubby breadwinner poorer). Even then, some wives will still vote hard left.
“That would be crap that that Roissy and Roosh advocate.”
Stopping bullying by using physical force has been an “old school” approach. Did you ever watch “A Christmas Story”?
Yesterday my adult son had me watch an ESPN special called "Fastball" (it was very good) concerning MLB and who threw the fastest, etc. One interesting point is that all of the players insisted that there was a phenomenon known as a "rising fastball" while all of the scientists insisted that that was physically impossible. This reminded me that there's a difference between physical facts and how people actually experience them.
Schopenhauer's mother was a lady novelist, perhaps that's where he got the idea (he also averred that men with short necks were the most attractive to women, you can probably guess what kind of neck he had). I think however that another factor that would incline a son towards his mother's intellect is the fact that mother's generally have more to do with a child's intellectual development than fathers: Not always, but often.
One thing I have noticed in my own family is a propensity for word mastery and musical mastery. You can almost trace where it starts and how it migrated. The same goes for high intelligence and mental illness, alas.Replies: @Antonymous
“I think however that another factor that would incline a son towards his mother’s intellect is the fact that mother’s generally have more to do with a child’s intellectual development than fathers”
X-linked inheritance as well.
“Women will chase and bed Alphas, while NEVER publicly admitting to such behavior–all while gossiping to their BFF what he did to her in bed.”
Women who have tats, or are in porn, or write romance novels actually show to the world their conduct.
“Meanwhile, they marry beta-providers (most men). Andrew Reiner is not anywhere close to being a beta male. Sounds gamma.”
How would you characterize yourself? Why?
That’s good to hear.
I know the Times comments can often round on the authors pretty hard, but I worry when I see guff like this piece on social topics that it will turn out to reflect the real sentiments of the new generations. And I’m only 45.
Your info therefore cheers me up.
Lately I’ve discovered the downside of using Steve as my guide to what to read in the NYT is that I’m too slow to keep up with Unz first thing every morning and too easily annoyed to scroll through the times all the time, so I miss the chance to comment on any of their stuff before it closes. Glad others are picking up the slack.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
Funny thing- I think I get where you are coming from wrt East Asian male cultures, but I’m thrown off by the term ‘soft’.
When I think of pre-Americanization male cultures [or even post-Americanization corporatized male cultures] of northeast Asia like Japan, the Koreas, or indeed the various Chinas, the word ‘soft’ would be the last I would use. Their emphases and expectations are not the same, perhaps less individually confrontational as part of being less individualist in general. But just as combative in groups and arguably much, much harder and more demanding of their members than American male culture has been this side of the frontiersmen. Maybe the Japanese male culture has been softening [heh] the last generation or so, with all these basement boys, but before that, I don’t believe it. And that last phenomenon suggests a possible crisis of maleness in its own right. But the others- not yet. I assume even the tiniest and oldest Korean man could and would take me apart for the slightest infraction. And I bet they could.
Are you using hard and soft more as metaphors for individualist and collectivist/communitarian? I’d call Asians hard communitarians myself.
You set me to thinking about that issue though. I would not wish to insult Mediterranean Europe, but I could see ways in which their male cultures in modern times have been ‘softer’, what with the strong filial/maternal bonds some of them have. But I’m not too aware of how deep rooted these phenomena are in history.
Your communal/individualistic divide is certainly valid so far as it goes, but I think it reflects a deeper divide that can be better conceptualized as masculine/feminine, hard/soft.
Samurai were stoic, fierce, and severe, but poetic, nostalgic, aesthetic. The Chinese elevated the scholar and despised warriors, but were fierce when it came to exam taking (!), and cultivated endurance and perseverance.
But America is unbalanced towards extreme masculinity - extreme individualism, extreme domination of nature, extreme competition, extreme materialism, extreme scientism - and it makes for a kind of life that is deeply unsatisfying. Any project to save the West by revitalizing these "traditional" Western attitudes is to simply misunderstand why we are so messed up today.
I thought his objection was to masculinity, but it seems to be only to masculinity in boys. How utterly strange.
That being said, the American conception of masculinity is indeed the most toxic in the world, and this is likely a pathological reaction to it. One extreme tends to beget another extreme.
Probably all this confused man knows is that he senses something is very wrong with the hardness of American male culture, and he stupidly goes to the opposite extreme.
Extreme hard masculinity is ultimately destabilizing and tends to result in anomie, alienation, and self destructive urges, which partly accounts for many of the pathologies of American life.
Countries in which male culture is softer and more feminized tend, paradoxically, to be more resilient and self confident over the long term. I am particularly thinking of Asian countries here, who have softer male cultures yet are spared most of our self destructive pathologies, and where paradoxically relations between the sexes are more harmonions and follow gender roles better.
Extreme masculinity turns out to be brittle over the long run and to undermine societies from within.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Yak-15, @Stan Adams, @dr kill, @Forbes, @random observer, @random observer
Forgot to add- your first three sentences touch on something that has occurred to me a couple of times recently, often as not just walking down the street. There’s a lot of emphasis on tough women and oddly effeminate men in our culture.
Anyone ever see now obscure Star Trek: The Next Generation episode “Angel One”? I think that’s actually the goal of progressives.
I was going to be stoic about this, but I was afraid that might cause depression, so I'm crying like a girl instead. Now I'm afraid I'll be bullied.
Wilbur HassenfusReplies: @random observer
Thanks! Been a while since I genuinely and spontaneously LOLed at a comment.
translation: he and his wife are going to try to force his son to be a pussy, and they know he will suffer badly as a result
Lucky for Macallah (a single-malt plaited bread?), Andrew will likely fail miserably and the insidious pussification project will have the opposite effect.Replies: @random observer
{“I know,” I responded. “But this boy’s going to be raised to feel and express his vulnerability. That’s a curse in this culture.”}
That statement was a real howler. Whinging and expressing vulnerability is the highest virtue of this culture and endorsed by all the powers that be.
Market failure- available goods and services and customers clearly not connecting with one another causing waste of resources.
You can’t have both Fitz and Mac, it’s one or the other. I’ve never heard of a dual patronymic in the ‘Irish Fusion’ naming system.
Plus a guy with both a Norman and a Gaelic patronymic would have taken a lot of beatings growing up in either ‘community’ and/or it would have been assumed to indicate some weird complicated form of interracial bastardy…
OTOH, Suleiman FitzMacAllah would indicate the grandson of Allah via a guy called MacAllah, the son of Allah. Not to mention proving that Allah not only did come to earth to make it with a human girl, contrary to teaching, he had a thing for redheads. And if MacAllah his son decided to become a jihadist, he could adopt the nom de guerre Abu FitzMacAllah.
Pity I’m not in the market for a new handle. Suleiman FitzMacAllah would have been excellent, if unnecessarily inflammatory.
If there is ever an Irish Islamic Jihad, I will be prepared to sign on with the all-important proviso that all caliphs be of the sacred Jacobite lineage. If necessary, we can prepare the way by marrying one such man now to a woman with descent from the Prophet.
My best plan for world peace ever, I swear.
Heroes of Our Time, mainly for the part where they attack the reporter.
Allah go Bragh!
Or Allah gu Braith!
Two thoughts:
1. “Emotional IQ” is bunkum.
2. Alienation and depression among boys is the result of being raised to think there is something inherently wrong with being male.
I like to think Jennifer Aniston has a quirky, sweet, nurturing personality with a few edges, like Rachel Green her character. Maybe she does.
But sometimes I think she must have had a raging serious personality defect to drive Pitt to Angelina.
Because if it’s straight physical appearance, Jennifer should win. Much more beautiful, even then. Even more so now.
Unless Brad just wanted him some crazy.
This is why Melanie Griffith is always on the set of hubby's Antonio Banderas's movies.
But sometimes I think she must have had a raging serious personality defect to drive Pitt to Angelina.
Because if it's straight physical appearance, Jennifer should win. Much more beautiful, even then. Even more so now.
Unless Brad just wanted him some crazy.Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob
Kinky more than crazy. Not a good foundation for a marriage, kinky sex. In the looks department, neither Jennifer nor Angelina are stunners. You should get around more.
But I only compared Jennifer to Angelina, not to the generality of women. I would say Jennifer outdid Angelina 20 years ago and still does. Even allowing for them both aging 20 years.
Now if Jennifer Lawrence, Taylor Swift, or ever so many others were interested, I could be persuaded to look into a younger set.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
The revealed preferences of the Western elite clearly agree with me.
To save the West we must abandon Western culture - there might be a future for the West, but there cannot be a future for Western culture.
No matter how much Steve Sailor bangs on about how the way to save the West is through a preservation and revitalization of Western culture, this is a fundamental stupidity, a sentimental and nostalgic refusal to face facts.Replies: @random observer
Are we using the same definition of Western Culture here? I concede there could be variations on that.
If I were to describe the revealed preferences of Western elites, I’m not sure I could characterize them. They seem to like a wide array of selected nuggets of Western culture, variously old and modern with a bias to recent output, with an approach to society and governance that combines the structural modes of 18thc enlightened despotism and the ideological content of 60s-70s new wave science fiction novels.
DO you have forms of society and politics you would offer as alternatives for “the West”, and would these be non-Western or derivative of other elements of the Western tradition than those currently on top?
I’m not sure the mandate of heaven or a chakravartin style monarchy are going to graft well. Caliphate, maybe.
The obvious explanation for this is that Western culture since the Scientific Revolution has become incapable of making people happy - and indeed shortly after that (the Romantics), we begin seeing Western elites writing about how unhappy and miserable they are in the West, how they despise their culture, and we see them fleeing to "exotic" locales, etc. This attitude peaked in the 19th century, well before Jewish media control. This is unprecedented in any society - its almost as if materialism, individualism, competitiveness, scientism - the modern project - don't really make people happy after all.
What we need to do is become less "exceptional" and more like the "rest" - the distinctive elements of the West, that we pride ourselves on, have to go. To be proud of our "strength" - ability to conquer and dominate - yet bemoan the suicidal impulse of our elites to is to woefully misunderstand the issue. What makes us "strong" makes us alienated, and ultimately brittle and weak. Taoism recognizes that the hard and strong can be ultimately brittle, and the history of the West can be seen as a lesson in that truth.
I am not suggesting we "graft" Asian forms onto ourselves - not at all. We have the same elements in our own traditions, and we can recover them and adapt them to modern conditions, and we can learn from Asia how to do so and the need to do so, perhaps. We can't go back, but going forward involves recovering elements of the past.
Well they are both pushing 50, with Jennifer I think slightly older. I’m 45 so if a woman is at the outer limits of good looks for that age I can still see it, especially if I remember her earlier appearance in my head.
But I only compared Jennifer to Angelina, not to the generality of women. I would say Jennifer outdid Angelina 20 years ago and still does. Even allowing for them both aging 20 years.
Now if Jennifer Lawrence, Taylor Swift, or ever so many others were interested, I could be persuaded to look into a younger set.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3843060/She-rocks-Emily-Ratajkowski-shows-peachy-skimpy-swimsuit-plays-daredevil-idyllic-holiday.html
But sometimes I think she must have had a raging serious personality defect to drive Pitt to Angelina.
Because if it's straight physical appearance, Jennifer should win. Much more beautiful, even then. Even more so now.
Unless Brad just wanted him some crazy.Replies: @BB753, @Jim Don Bob
Some guys like crazy women; they see it as a challenge. Though if you watch the movie Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which was terrible, you could see that Brad and Angelina were crazy for each other.
This is why Melanie Griffith is always on the set of hubby’s Antonio Banderas’s movies.
But I only compared Jennifer to Angelina, not to the generality of women. I would say Jennifer outdid Angelina 20 years ago and still does. Even allowing for them both aging 20 years.
Now if Jennifer Lawrence, Taylor Swift, or ever so many others were interested, I could be persuaded to look into a younger set.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Nah, if you’re gonna go young, how about Emily Ratajkowski?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3843060/She-rocks-Emily-Ratajkowski-shows-peachy-skimpy-swimsuit-plays-daredevil-idyllic-holiday.html
I dunno. Ol’ Corvie was quite cogent here, and I give him full props. It warms one’s heart to know that you can disagree with a chap 99% of the time but know his head is screwed on somewhat straight when he talks about the way he’s raising/raised his children.
When my children were born all I could think about is how everything just got real. Couldn’t go around and fuck up anymore because fuck-ups now had dire consequences, not just for me but for my children.
This guy clearly had a similar inkling but completely missed the point of it: The important part about not fucking up means you can’t consider your children an ideological project. So however humble he may try to come across, he actually seems to thing his ideology is beyond doubt. And that is rather arrogant. Especially if you burden your children with that.
When I think of pre-Americanization male cultures [or even post-Americanization corporatized male cultures] of northeast Asia like Japan, the Koreas, or indeed the various Chinas, the word 'soft' would be the last I would use. Their emphases and expectations are not the same, perhaps less individually confrontational as part of being less individualist in general. But just as combative in groups and arguably much, much harder and more demanding of their members than American male culture has been this side of the frontiersmen. Maybe the Japanese male culture has been softening [heh] the last generation or so, with all these basement boys, but before that, I don't believe it. And that last phenomenon suggests a possible crisis of maleness in its own right. But the others- not yet. I assume even the tiniest and oldest Korean man could and would take me apart for the slightest infraction. And I bet they could.
Are you using hard and soft more as metaphors for individualist and collectivist/communitarian? I'd call Asians hard communitarians myself.
You set me to thinking about that issue though. I would not wish to insult Mediterranean Europe, but I could see ways in which their male cultures in modern times have been 'softer', what with the strong filial/maternal bonds some of them have. But I'm not too aware of how deep rooted these phenomena are in history.Replies: @AaronB
Well, yes, Asian cultures have hard elements in them as well – an entirely soft culture wouldn’t survive and certainly wouldn’t be desirable. What I’m suggesting is that we need a balance to be healthy, and that for a very long time the West has tilted hard, and America the worst of all, and this continues today despite appearances to the contrary.
Your communal/individualistic divide is certainly valid so far as it goes, but I think it reflects a deeper divide that can be better conceptualized as masculine/feminine, hard/soft.
Samurai were stoic, fierce, and severe, but poetic, nostalgic, aesthetic. The Chinese elevated the scholar and despised warriors, but were fierce when it came to exam taking (!), and cultivated endurance and perseverance.
But America is unbalanced towards extreme masculinity – extreme individualism, extreme domination of nature, extreme competition, extreme materialism, extreme scientism – and it makes for a kind of life that is deeply unsatisfying. Any project to save the West by revitalizing these “traditional” Western attitudes is to simply misunderstand why we are so messed up today.
If I were to describe the revealed preferences of Western elites, I'm not sure I could characterize them. They seem to like a wide array of selected nuggets of Western culture, variously old and modern with a bias to recent output, with an approach to society and governance that combines the structural modes of 18thc enlightened despotism and the ideological content of 60s-70s new wave science fiction novels.
DO you have forms of society and politics you would offer as alternatives for "the West", and would these be non-Western or derivative of other elements of the Western tradition than those currently on top?
I'm not sure the mandate of heaven or a chakravartin style monarchy are going to graft well. Caliphate, maybe.Replies: @AaronB
Well, what should be clear beyond doubt is that Western elites have a strong suicidal impulse, and are intent on destroying their societies, and are strongly “oikophobic”, as it were – and that this attitude is more acute among the more intelligent who engage more strongly with Western culture (i.e are truly influenced by materialism, scientism, etc).
The obvious explanation for this is that Western culture since the Scientific Revolution has become incapable of making people happy – and indeed shortly after that (the Romantics), we begin seeing Western elites writing about how unhappy and miserable they are in the West, how they despise their culture, and we see them fleeing to “exotic” locales, etc. This attitude peaked in the 19th century, well before Jewish media control. This is unprecedented in any society – its almost as if materialism, individualism, competitiveness, scientism – the modern project – don’t really make people happy after all.
What we need to do is become less “exceptional” and more like the “rest” – the distinctive elements of the West, that we pride ourselves on, have to go. To be proud of our “strength” – ability to conquer and dominate – yet bemoan the suicidal impulse of our elites to is to woefully misunderstand the issue. What makes us “strong” makes us alienated, and ultimately brittle and weak. Taoism recognizes that the hard and strong can be ultimately brittle, and the history of the West can be seen as a lesson in that truth.
I am not suggesting we “graft” Asian forms onto ourselves – not at all. We have the same elements in our own traditions, and we can recover them and adapt them to modern conditions, and we can learn from Asia how to do so and the need to do so, perhaps. We can’t go back, but going forward involves recovering elements of the past.
Brad Pitt...sure Angelina's crazy, but he's got any girl he wants. Acting is usually a bad idea. Brad Pitt is the one in a million who got lucky.Replies: @middle aged vet
Good point. That being said, I think I know several women who would prefer my first-born son to Brad Pitt, and all but one of them would also prefer my second-born son to Brad Pitt. It takes a few months to calibrate the cash and the glamor versus the boredom, but that is what women do, they calibrate: and my sons, for all their faults, are not boring.
Towson State (as it used to be known) fielded that magnificent team (two) of debaters (sic) who won the national title in 2014.
http://www.amren.com/news/2014/05/towson-university-students-win-national-debate-championship/
Actually they huffed and grunted like warthogs in heat fighting over a boar’s services.