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From the Roosevelt Institute, a couple of leftists try to explains the inexplicable:

Rioting Mainly for Fun and Profit: The Neoconservative Origins of Our Police Problem
BY MIKE KONCZAL / FRIDAY, 15 AUGUST 2014 / PUBLISHED IN BLOG, NEWS, RORTYBOMB

Before it was anything else, the neoconservative movement was a theory of the urban crisis. As a reaction to the urban riots of the 1960s, it put an ideological and social-scientific veneer on a doctrine that called for overwhelming force against minor infractions — a doctrine that is still with us today, as people are killed for walking down the street in Ferguson and allegedly selling single cigarettes in New York. But neoconservatives also sought, rather successfully, to position liberalism itself as the cause of the urban crisis, solvable only through the reassertion of order through the market and the police.

(Image by Jamelle Bouie.)

Edward Banfield was one of the first neoconservative thinkers who started writing in the 1960s and ’70s and was a prominent figure in the movement, though he isn’t remembered as well as his close friends Milton Friedman or Leo Strauss, or his star student James Q. Wilson. Banfield contributed to the beginning of neoconservative urban crisis thinking, the Summer 1969 “Focus on New York” issue of The Public Interest, which began to formalize neoconservatives’ framing of the urban crisis as the result of not just the Great Society in particular but the liberal project as a whole.

In his major book The Unheavenly City (pdf here), Banfield set the tone for much of what would come in the movement. Commentary described the book as “a political scientist’s version of Milton Friedman’s Capitalism and Freedom” at the time. It sold 100,000 copies, and gathered both extensive news coverage and academic interest.

The Unheavenly City’s most infamous chapter is “Rioting Mainly for Fun and Profit.” Fresh off televised riots in Watts, Detroit, and Newark, Banfield argued that it was “naive to think that efforts to end racial injustice and to eliminate poverty, slums, and unemployment will have an appreciable effect upon the amount of rioting that will be done in the next decade or two.” Absolute living standards had been rising rapidly. For Banfield, this was entirely the result of market and social forces rather than the state, and the poor, with their short time-horizons and desire for immediate gratification, would largely be left behind and always be prone to rioting. Today’s classic, if often implicit, repudiations of poor people’s humanity were clearly expressed here.

Rather than political protests or rebellions, Banfield argued that riots were largely opportunistic displays of violence and theft. He broke down four types of riots: (1) rampages, where young men are simply looking for trouble and act out violently; (2) pillaging, where theft is the main focus, and the riot serves as a solution for a type of collective action problem for thieves; (3) righteous indignation, where people act against an insult against their community; and (4) demonstrations, which are neither spontaneous nor violent but instead designed for a specific political purpose.

Banfield argued that the poor mainly engaged in the first two types of riots. Righteous indignation riots were a feature of the working class, because the “lower-class individual is too alienated to be capable of much indignation.” Demonstrations were largely the focus of the middle and upper classes, as they ran organizations and were able to make coherent claims on the state.

At this point Banfield’s text reads like a list of cranky, armchair reactionary observations about riots. It received considerable blowback at the time. What was innovative, for a neoconservative agenda, was where he put the blame. Young men will be young men, the text seems to suggest. The problem is what enables them to riot.

The initial perpetrators included the media, whose neutral (or even sensationalistic) coverage “recruited rampagers, pillagers, and others to the scene.” They also made the rioting more dangerous by expanding the knowledge base of the rioters. The larger academic community was also at fault since, to Banfield’s ear, “explaining the riots tended to justify them.” Upper-class demonstrators were also responsible for raising expectations of what the poor could demand from the state and from society writ large

But what has anybody learned in the last 50 years? It would be racist to learn from the past.

James Fulford has posted the entire chapter on rioting from Banfield’s half-century old social science classic here.

 
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  1. Rather than political protests or rebellions, Banfield argued that riots were largely opportunistic displays of violence and theft. He broke down four types of riots: (1) rampages, where young men are simply looking for trouble and act out violently; (2) pillaging, where theft is the main focus, and the riot serves as a solution for a type of collective action problem for thieves; (3) righteous indignation, where people act against an insult against their community; and (4) demonstrations, which are neither spontaneous nor violent but instead designed for a specific political purpose.

    The fourth motive for rioting can be combined with any or all of the preceding three. And the people by whom the riots are “designed for a specific political purpose” are not physically present at them.

    • Agree: Hibernian, anonymous1963
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Rob McX

    I hate to say it, but, many years ago, I saw once a couple of rabbis (a man and a female rabbi, I think both were rabbis, I don't know), plus some other political hotshots from some kind of Latino or immigration rights organization, giving a speech in downtown LA to Mexican illegals about their "rights", then as the Latinos started their march with their placards and banners, the initial speakers just went home, probably somewhere in the suburbs, and the march went on. It was a pacific one, but if the police turned violent, well, it would only find illegal Latinos to arrest.

  2. A Jamelle Bouie reference! What was his last generation of iSteve content, was that about the monuments? He seems to be doing more as a photographer than as a columnist nowadays.
    https://postimg.cc/gr6NSN1G

  3. ‘opportunistic displays of violence and theft’

    OK children, can anyone think of a demographic this would appeal too?

    #TooManyHands

  4. @Rob McX

    Rather than political protests or rebellions, Banfield argued that riots were largely opportunistic displays of violence and theft. He broke down four types of riots: (1) rampages, where young men are simply looking for trouble and act out violently; (2) pillaging, where theft is the main focus, and the riot serves as a solution for a type of collective action problem for thieves; (3) righteous indignation, where people act against an insult against their community; and (4) demonstrations, which are neither spontaneous nor violent but instead designed for a specific political purpose.
     
    The fourth motive for rioting can be combined with any or all of the preceding three. And the people by whom the riots are "designed for a specific political purpose" are not physically present at them.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    I hate to say it, but, many years ago, I saw once a couple of rabbis (a man and a female rabbi, I think both were rabbis, I don’t know), plus some other political hotshots from some kind of Latino or immigration rights organization, giving a speech in downtown LA to Mexican illegals about their “rights”, then as the Latinos started their march with their placards and banners, the initial speakers just went home, probably somewhere in the suburbs, and the march went on. It was a pacific one, but if the police turned violent, well, it would only find illegal Latinos to arrest.

  5. Read the book in University, which was offered as a counterweight to all of the then left propaganda we were reading. I remember the second version better: titled revisited, I think. One interesting fact that is not mentioned in this article is what Banfield said about punishing rioters. He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jimmy1969

    How about shooting rioters on sight? Is that immediate enough?

    The police in Philly did a disappearing act. Not clear whether it was under orders or they were pulling a pre-emptive Baltimore style police work stoppage. The downtown shopping district was looted yesterday afternoon. The police showed up around 10:30 this morning.

    Some blacks gathered at our big suburban mall (King of Prussia) and tried to break into the Macy's. In about 30 seconds there were 20 cop cars there and there was no significant looting.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Jimmy1969

    He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    That's a standard theory of psychology: punish immediately or don't punish at all, not anything unique to Banfield. It goes for children, dogs, employees, and criminals.

    Behavior must be linked to consequences, swiftly and consistently.

    Replies: @Cato, @Ray P

  6. Interesting analysis.

    Riots have been around for a long time, ever since the riots at the cremation of Julius Caesar, when the bonfires got way out of control. The conspirators believed that the murder of a tyrant in full view of the Senate would not be seen as a political plot, but as a noble act, done on behalf of their country, a view that would probably trigger riots today in the US.

    There are many different types of riots, for example food riots (for example the New York Flour Riot of 1837), race riots, sports riots, taxation riots, peasant riots, riots leading to revolutions (for example in France at the demise of the ancien regime), riots related to strikes, riots related to (perceived as unfair) court verdicts, prison riots, urban riots, and so on.

    Many race riots occurred in the summer of 1967, (also known as the Summer of Love) in 159 cities in the US.

    The most important component of a riot is the existence of a Mob. While riotous behavior is likely to get you arrested, the more people who participate in mob violence, the smaller the chance of each individual being arrested, so there is safety in numbers.

    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal, the family demanded that the police apologize and then kept escalating their demands until rioting broke out, with fires and lots of looting completely unrelated to the original complaint, and the rioting then spread to other cities where mobs did not want to be left out of the action.

    Underlying a lot of the current rioting, I think, is a perception among many people in poor communities in the US (and other countries) that the police are not their friend and that they act with impunity like an army of occupation. But once the protests start, even if somewhat legitimate at the outset, the criminal gangs that infest these neighborhoods quickly emerge from the woodwork to take advantage of the breakdown in law and order and win a certain amount of sympathy from the captive population, many of whom are their extended family members.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Jonathan Mason

    Oh, bullshit.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is also this thing about "respect" (honor), that apparently made its way from a portion of England to the American South and now is the cornerstone of underclass black culture.

    The big thing in the news -- the brother of the late George Floyd received a call, presumably a condolence, from President Trump, and he is all over the media complaining that Mr. Trump didn't let him get a word in.

    I wasn't there, and I did not see the transcript of this particular presidential phone call, but the president telephoned and he didn't quite do it right, so now the brother has been "disrespected."

    Didn't the same thing take place about an American Special Forces soldier, a black man, who died in combat in an ambush carried out against our soldiers in Niger? President Trump made the condolence call to the parents, I guess, and that Florida Congresswoman who wears that stupid "cowboy" hat was listening in? And guess, what, President Trump said the "wrong thing." We saw an awful lot of that silly member of Congress in that stupid had for a very, very long time afterward.

    The there was that Cindy Sheehan lady, white, yes, but her son died in combat in Iraq, and the condolence call from President Bush "disrespected her."

    The "beefs" that lead to black-on-black killing in our cities has to do with respect or being disrespected?

    Replies: @Ray P

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal...
     
    With what? Bobbies on bicycles two by two?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  7. reason 5: big sports game

    In boston we riot when we win, not when the cops shoot white girls in the head with rubber bullets and kill her. Im still unclear on the entire concept.

  8. I still have The Unheavenly City on my bookshelf, dating from a 1971 Poly Sci 101 course.

  9. I don’t have much hope that the organizational forces behind these riots will ever be exposed or held accountable. There ARE organizational forces behind these riots. Look at the celebrity involvement. Actors setting up bail funds, b-list celebrities showing up to “hometowns” that they haven’t seen in years. Nobody notices and I feel like nobody would care if they did.

    It’s also tempting to blame “neoconservatives” for all of today’s political problems, but it makes no sense. Riots are back after an 8+ year long resurgence of liberal social policy, not after the peak of Bill Bratton style broken windows policing.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Nathan


    It’s also tempting to blame “neoconservatives” for all of today’s political problems, but it makes no sense.
     
    The thing that is 95% to blame for the current situation is the never-ending drone of fake news about how blacks are supposedly being hunted in the streets by police, white supremacists, and "Karens." The most cursory look at actual statistics shows it's a myth.

    But the statistics aren't reported. And no black-on-white crime is ever reported in the MSM. So blacks, leftists, and low-information normies can only assume that blacks are innocent victims of "racist America." That manufactured delusion is the powder keg that is being ignited.

    Even on Fox they just had some guy droning on about he just "knows" that if he, as a white man, had been arrested for passing a counterfeit bill he would still be alive. (It's unclear in his Trading Places hypothetical if he, as a white man, would also be 6'6, drugged to the gills, and resisting arrest). How does he "know" this? It's just obvious. I mean, everyone knows America is totally racist, so it must be. Everyone wouldn't say it all the time if it weren't true. Right?

    And this was Fox!

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

  10. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Went and took a look at what was going on Sat in downtown Chicago about 4pm. Mass of protesters were young and white, like around nineteen years old with a fairly even mix of males and females. Blacks were way underrepresented in view of the fact that Chicago is about a third black. Most of the blacks there seemed like the type who hang around with whitey rather than the ghetto saggy pants types. Left before the action intensified as I could feel the mood escalating. Can’t tell who the later actual looters were although from television video it appears blacks took over that part. If so then they’re really acting true to form. In previous riots blacks would trash the local area because they have to cart their newly acquired items home, which, being local, wasn’t hard. In this case it’s hard to understand how they thought they could get their looted stuff home from downtown Chicago since it’s miles away from their home and they may have to avoid cordons of police in so doing. The logistics are bad for looters who travel to loot. The vandalism and wanton destruction probably was done by the white wannabe antifa mask wearers.

    • Replies: @128
    @anonymous

    They should really just start machine gunning all of those rioters and looters to restore order.

    , @Stan Adams
    @anonymous

    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?

    Here in Miami, bus and train service have been suspended, and the expressways are full of protesters. We're also under a countywide curfew.

    It is now 7 p.m. Eastern time. Literally seconds ago, Channel 10 in Miami showed a black guy shouting, "We tried it the white way, and now we gonna try it our way!" The station immediately cut back to the reporter. (I don't have a DVR on that TV, so I'm not able to record anything.)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anonymous

  11. Rubber bullets and tear gas are ineffective against a large mob. Announcing looters will be “ shot on sight” has stopped many a riot but you need a real police chief not some uniformed lesbian to give the warning credibility.

  12. Wasn’t Banfield wrong in his prediction that the riot you will have with you always? Didn’t the number of riots in American cities decline after this book was published? Crime soared but large-scale civil disorder dwindled?

  13. There were riots on the North Side of Minneapolis in 1967.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Ganderson

    How extensive were they?

    Replies: @Ganderson

  14. Banfield also wrote the good book The Moral Basis of a Backwards Society, comparing towns in Italy.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @J. Farmer

    Thanks for mentioning this book and its author. I read it with considerable interest as a graduate student in the 1980s, but completely forgot the title. Your reference to it jogged my memory. I'd love to read it again and compare my impressions now to what I remember of it from way back when.

  15. Banfield made many excellent points.

    He made the argument that the difference between the lower classes and the middle and upper classes was their time horizon.

    Lower class people have short time horizons–they want stuff and they want it now, and they don’t care about the consequences.

    Middle and upper class people think about second and third order consequences–they are able to form abstract concepts and act on them.

    There is certainly a racial component to this, but the educational system can mitigate it or make it worse. Some percentage of the lower classes can be trained to extend their time horizons, but some have low enough IQs that this is not practical.

    He did not focus on the upper classes very much–but it is clear that they prefer criminal activity with long-term time horizons (ponzi schemes, corruption of .gov, operating in a kleptocracy). They understand that the best way to rob a bank is to own one.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Justvisiting


    He did not focus on the upper classes very much–but it is clear that they prefer criminal activity with long-term time horizons (ponzi schemes, corruption of .gov, operating in a kleptocracy).
     
    Some of the upper classes prefer hiring a mercenary army of the short time horizon poor as their route to long term success. Also some of their own young people may play the Che/Fidel role; in the '60s and early '70s they tended to do that on the campuses, but now they riot downtown.
  16. OT: https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-89/

    In the sleepy, dopey, sneezy, bashful town of Chayanta, Bolivia—actually, we’re pretty sure that all of the seven dwarfs live there—three boys aged 12, 10, and 8 were recently herding goats (that may or may not be a euphemism) when they chanced upon a black widow spider, a lethal species that was originally named in honor of Coretta Scott King. Being so superstitious that they actually thought the legend of Spider-Man was true, they figured they would be able to scale buildings and squirt cobwebs from their wrists like so much Silly String if they could provoke the poisonous critter to bite them. They kept poking li’l Coretta with a stick until she obliged. They were rushed to the hospital, where they would spend a week before the fevers and tremors subsided.

    Stupid kids. Everyone know you have to irradiate the spider first!

  17. If the cops don’t like riots they shouldn’t instigate them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @yaph


    If the cops don’t like riots they shouldn’t instigate them.
     
    By enforcing law and order?

    Neck Hold Used By Minneapolis Officer Was Approved By Department Policy
    The Technique Is Considered 'Non-Lethal'

    The death of George Floyd has sent shock waves across the country, with riots breaking out in several major cities.

    The focus of the anger is the technique used by Officer Derek Chauvin.

    Chauvin, a 19 year officer, was filmed holding Floyd on the ground with his knee to the back of his neck.

    Experts we have talked to have all agreed that the technique is wrong and inappropriate but the findings today have all of them shaking their heads in disbelief.

    GEORGE FLOYD AUTOPSY SHOWS NO TRAUMA
    According to the Minneapolis Police Policy Manual, the restraint used was in policy and it also indicates that training is given to officers on the maneuver.

    According to the policy, a neck restraint can be used as a form of a “non-deadly option” and is defined as “compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck).”

    Chauvin was applying pressure to the back and side of the neck and not in the front and appeared to be compliant with existing policy...

    https://www.lawofficer.com/neck-hold-used-by-minneapolis-officer-was-approved-by-department-policy/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ba645d158613b873996a9c38587e9a3f0fa7fa1f-1590953878-0-AfXaMFL3JadIDfG5H_YeWJk18ZV4IEO9YT70LMuY9PnHa717pXh_t7cFzgxD_S7a-Zy8Yg2riPaihZ17CCEsWrAXxmMQocfdOMERG-9lS4Ar6jkZTcLawtlBKnalURAA1pe_fDtt92DZyNhGeMGXS5_lxOeArGDKzX5GHHH0MxmbTryso1QVxCukNA-fuUSerrIjsqwzpO7M_WptNIFJ9hnBeF-xLKEpeNIZJXe9mnj422ztz8837dBQcH-YqR5CWITTEP_vFLI43cN7z6DgK54MDmB1Vc4dth4pa3kBohY4LvN1mMD8pM8FC8bGgc8uujtKS4n48RGQykOQSICFYA-fak-HV80wBnoUY3NYe3Tqulrugwa2-a6TJ-RHGH0iDw

     

  18. They got a synagogue. This rightist blogger blames Islamists and Nazis, neither of which claim is at all merited in my view, but at least one of which bad guy is allowed to be discussed and even federally investigated. The real torchers of this synagogue were [email protected]%#&^#s who had given themselves over to destruction, burglary, and battery, and who were not restrained by police. As with the bookstores, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if the arsonists were tracked down and established to not have a terribly clear idea of what it was they had destroyed.
    They got a synagogue. Good thing the SPLC’s man at the FBI, Christopher Wray, is still looking for the Phantom Nazis.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/la-rioters-set-synagogue-fire-vandalizing-earlier-day-evidence-islamists-domestic-terrorists-behind-us-riots/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this (and boom goes the dynamite):
    https://postimg.cc/wRBzT0pM

  19. Goodness, what to do about the rioting?

    1. Go as per usual, chaotic encounters between Police and armed businessmen on one side, Looters and arsonists on the other, Federalized Forces, as usual, look on and do nothing. Constant escalation while the weather remains hot.

    2. Insert sniper teams into the affected areas. This doesn’t need to be, and is better if not, an officially announced policy. Clean headshots at 600+ yards, selectively applied to instigators, people carrying arson devices/weapons, and obvious looters, will have a pronounced effect pretty quickly.

    3. Turn off the Utilities, especially water, but all utilities, to the affected areas. Let them stew in the heat for a couple of days, when they try to obtain water, hit them hard unless the agree to unconditional detention. Sweep through the emptied areas for weapons/looted items, then hang the people living at the addresses where they are found. Relatively clean and efficient way to stop things in their tracks. Assuming you follow through with the hangings.

    4. Continue to do nothing until this really does spill out into a full up Race War. Probably the most likely option tat this point, since Officials from the President on down are simply too weak, cowardly, and incompetent to do a damn thing anyway, and the Third Worlders occupying our Country know that.

    Shucks, I have been telling people for years that someday there would be fewer, but better, Whites in North America……… and no non-Whites. Now you know why.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @theMann

    That’s all good, but I have to say, I salute you on your superb marksmanship talents if you regard clean, selective, headshots on moving targets at 600+ yard ranges as reliably achievable. I couldn’t do that at 1/4th that range if my life depended on it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  20. Let’s not discount the sexual preferences of young women in the rioting either. Violence by men gets them wet and a riot lets everyone act out violence with little accountability.

    Leftist women exploit this dynamic by seemingly offering sex to the deebs to do their ideological bidding.

    A classic example was the 60’s poster promoting draft dodging of Joan Baez and a few of her sexy girlfriends. The caption read “Girls say YES to boys who say NO.”

    You’ll see similar signs among the Antifa crowd today.

  21. Are antifa (or anti-police elements) strolling through putatively white neighborhoods while impersonating police officers and shooting at threatening houses to get white people to hate cops? Both the police and the national guard say this group is not them. Riot gear, apart from the cost, is the easiest part of police kit to perfectly fake. The group is apparently shooting paintballs, which of course police and national guard wouldn’t be carrying during a riot, or ever.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @J.Ross

    If the group in that clip are Antifa, they are something we really haven't seen yet.

    Most Antifa males are gangly, soyish 15-40 year olds and this bunch are not that.

  22. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:

    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who ‘threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside’ is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle – which had four officers inside – in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured…

    Shader’s younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html

    • LOL: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    @Anonymous

    Isn't disparate sentencing for the same crime one of the black community's biggest complaints? Giving harsh sentences to white rioters who commit acts of violence seems an excellent way for us to begin the racial healing.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @Moral Stone
    @Anonymous

    Certainly they should be arrested and incarcerated for a long time. But, let’s be honest, they’re pretty white girls who were engaged in leftist violence in NY. That probably won’t result in 25 to life. Probably not even close.

    , @Sean
    @Anonymous

    https://qz.com/678186/theres-a-neurological-explanation-for-the-link-between-sex-and-violence/

    It is like sex, the woman will not initiate, but excited by the conquering confident-in-a-situation-of-risk men's arousal, they turn into animals. Also like sex because a woman bears a disproportionate share of the costs. She will do more time than Chauvin.

    , @Peterike
    @Anonymous

    The young Ms Shader’s mother.

    Summary: Amy Shader is 48 years old and was born on 04/29/1972. Amy Shader lives in Catskill, NY; previous cities include West Camp NY, Malden On Hudson NY and Saugerties NY. Sometimes Amy goes by various nicknames including Amy M Schweter, Amy M Shader and Amy M Shadet. We have lots of information about Amy: religious views are listed as Jewish,

    Shocking.

    , @danand
    @Anonymous

    #265, from your liked article:


    "Both sisters - who hail from the town of Catskill - have a history of clashes with police at protests, a law enforcement source told DailyMail.com."
     
    Hate to see this, it's unfortunate these sisters headed down this path. I hope one day they're able to turn their lives around.
    , @bigdicknick
    @Anonymous

    She was an aspiring tiktok influencer who was just starting to get her life together and thinking about college!!!!!!!

  23. ‘… Young men will be young men, the text seems to suggest. The problem is what enables them to riot…’

    About right.

  24. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    I clicked the “Rortybomb” tag and it is 90% fiscal policy stuff (tapering off sharply in late 2016). Though he actually has some current excuses up on heated protest, not just this old pre-Baltimore post, it looks to be outside his wheelhouse.

    Geek macroeconomics/trade/fiscal commentary was dominated by libertarian space cadets since the beginning of the internet, abetted by the Clinton-serving profs in academia subscribing to most of the same crap. Every once in a while I’ve seen a good piece on trade or monetary policy in The New Republic or Washington Monthly but you can’t make a career out of that. This is distinct from gossipy “dealbook” business journalism which is just porn. In general SJWs and even finance-employed libs seem to know little about econ and (excepting entitlement and healthcare ramifications) ignore it blithely, which is too bad– would having more hard-left economics writers around (Doug Henwood is another example) de-ghettoize the subject possibly? In contrast to hard-left Christian writers who have never gone away (contrary to the clueless assumptions by editorialists at culturally-Jewish East Coast bubble dailies) and are more irrelevant and annoying than ever. But where is the Harold Laski for our time?

  25. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Somebody organized this, and it wasn’t Russia.

    Christopher Wray, why aren’t you doing your job? Were you Epsteined Wray? Compromised?

    Cell phone/car rental/train and plane ticket data should be available. Airbnb, hotels, known antifa safe houses. Dont tell me “we have no idea”.

    The FBI is an embarrassment. Do your damned jobs!

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Anon

    With the Feds ability to monitor communications it would be very easy to infiltrate Antifa and find out all the players, especially if Trump designates them a terrorist organization. Furthermore, if someone (((Soros))) was funding any of this, it would be easy to link and hold them accountable. This would include any material support, and if it was given by foreign powers like the Chinese they could be held for treason. You cannot sue a 19 year old and get any money but if it turns out they were funded by (((rich old))) supporters you could take them down for every penny they are worth.
    It also strikes me as odd that we have not done the same thing with illegal immigration. If someone is hurt by an illegal alien the people and organization (s) that helped them get here should be just as liable.

    Replies: @anonymous

  26. For current day high school students, the most relevant histories are that of corporations and those of riots in American cities.

  27. Why are you guys so fixated on pointing out that the protesters are ‘nothing but looters!!!’

    I mean, dude, that’s like the whole point. Look how quickly the officer was charged.

    Seriously, this is increasingly sounding like another one of those cuckservative rhetoric – “Democrats are the real racists!”

  28. I rather like the idea of calling these things “rebellions”. Because, as Abe Lincoln taught us, you put rebellions down by force.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    I was thinking that too, but really it turns out that you don't need a Rebellion for the Feds to drop an Airborne division on you, or arson you to death, or just plain sniper you down.

    In a fit of curiosity, I once tried to find the laws that enable these kinds of Federal actions. The answers, as best I could find them, was something something Constitutional Rights something something. Or alternatively, something something White Supremacist something something.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  29. As a follow up to my observations about the future of North America:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/bill-sardi/70-depopulation-of-the-u-s-predicted-by-2025/

    Obviously, I am not the only one thinking about our all to near future. If you think that 70% population decline either a) won’t happen or b) will be essentially random in nature, you are an optimist or an idiot, or an optimistic idiot. Events have been set in motion, and their ultimate aim is the elimination of all Proles and sub-Proles, who are mostly non-White.

    It is nothing personal – TPTB simply no longer care to keep paying taxes to those they view as “useless eaters” to borrow a phrase from ….somewhere. Further, and much more importantly, TPTB have nothing but contempt for those whom they manipulate so easily. Every moron wearing a face diaper and maintaining social distancing is less than human to them. The next wave of Totalitarian Commands, when they instruct you to shove a dildo up your ass and hop down the street on one leg while whistling Dixie, will only cement their targeting selection process. Oh, that won’t happen? They will command it, and most of you will do it. Oh well, get through the next decade and the prize is ………fewer, but better, White people. Maybe even Whites not so moronic that they will believe anything, as long as it is a lie.

  30. Question for IStevers:
    What are the largest cities NOT having riots now? Are they rioting in Honolulu? What is their secret formula?

  31. What is the legality of shooting rioters and looters on sight?

  32. “But what has anybody learned in the last 50 years? It would be racist to learn from the past.”

    Never mind the last 50 years, what about the last five months? Does China also own the supply chain for tear gas and rubber bullets?

    Serious question.

  33. Paul says:

    “He [Edward Banfield] broke down four types of riots: (1) rampages, where young men are simply looking for trouble and act out violently; (2) pillaging, where theft is the main focus, and the riot serves as a solution for a type of collective action problem for the thieves . . .”

    In today’s context, the number (1) type of rioter seems to me like Antifa, and the number (2) type seems like the black rioters.

  34. One vector in the current riots that hasn’t been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    We can think of the riots, and all their harm to society, as one more hidden cost of the shutdown.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Almost Missouri
    @candid_observer

    And aggravated by the now mandatorily pre-masked population.

    You'll recall that earlier Antifa-led mob violence was successfully curtailed by de-masking instigators.

    Well, now not only is masked "protesting" allowed, it's required!

    Government wedged itself into a corner on this one.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Prof. Woland

    , @Lot
    @candid_observer

    “ Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.”

    Young men especially are video game and social media addicts who did not go out much before CV, and generally ignored the CV orders anyway. I guess they couldn’t go shopping or to school. Last year I asked a lady I know if her high school age brother would like my old bike or if he had one already. The response: “I don’t know if he has one he never leaves the house anyway except for school.”

    A certain demographic regularly riots in the summer. What was different this time was the random event that a Target was looted because it was next to a police station where the protest was, but without the slightest police interference, and lots of videos making it seem like fun.

    From there, rioters decided they needed to “protest police brutality” in high end shopping areas like Scottsdale Fashion Center Mall and the Grove Beverly Hills.

    Steve: “ It’s interesting to observe the ecstatic body language of the looters.“

    https://twitter.com/PMBreakingNews/status/1266908352015204352

    , @Kaz
    @candid_observer

    Eh we've see riots without any of that.

    But I can see that's why a lot more white kids are joining in.

    This is a publicly sanctioned party for them. I see it all over facebook..

    , @J.Ross
    @candid_observer

    Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    Doubt. Basketball-Americans never respected the lockdown rules.

  35. @candid_observer
    One vector in the current riots that hasn't been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Almost Missouri, @Lot, @Kaz, @J.Ross

    We can think of the riots, and all their harm to society, as one more hidden cost of the shutdown.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @candid_observer

    The riots and the virus shutdown are connected, but not in the way you think.

  36. Anon[580] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/better-fertility-treatments-can-mean-much-older-parents-but-how-does-this-affect-their-offspring/2020/05/29/17bc7858-7da1-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

    In December, two prominent psychologists and two reproductive endocrinologists published an opinion paper in the Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics questioning whether it was time to establish age restrictions in the field. They wrote that research has shown that children often experience social awkwardness if their parents are a half-century older than them and face greater risk of autism and psychopathologies. These children are also more likely to serve in a caregiving role and experience bereavement as adolescents or teens compared with their peers whose parents gave birth in their 20s and 30s, they wrote.

    Do those risks constitute the potential for “great harm” to the child and outweigh a person’s right to “reproduce without limitation or interference” at any age, the authors asked.

    What limit are they proposing? Age 50. I haven’t been keeping up with the technology, I suppose. Fifty-year-old women are having babies?!

    The Post reporter who wrote the story was born to a 39-year-old mom and a 53-year-old father.

    Most of the examples seems to be born to smart Jewish couples, which is good, since I think these IVF babies lose 10 or 15 IQ points compared to normal, fight-it-out-in-the-uterus babies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    Presumably there are systematic differences between the type of people who have children late and other people. (It wouldn't surprise me if the former have worse social skills, for example. ) So any study of this issue would need to effectively control for the differences. I couldn't read the referenced study, so I can't tell whether the authors did that.

  37. @International Jew
    I rather like the idea of calling these things "rebellions". Because, as Abe Lincoln taught us, you put rebellions down by force.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I was thinking that too, but really it turns out that you don’t need a Rebellion for the Feds to drop an Airborne division on you, or arson you to death, or just plain sniper you down.

    In a fit of curiosity, I once tried to find the laws that enable these kinds of Federal actions. The answers, as best I could find them, was something something Constitutional Rights something something. Or alternatively, something something White Supremacist something something.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Almost Missouri

    Mao Zedong said power comes from the end of a gun.

  38. I was probably wrong when I dismissed these riots as business as usual. It seems the zeitgeist changed so much that now everybody has to grovel to the roving gangs of malcontents. Check out this story of a Fedex driver narrowly escaping the lynch mob. The Fedex promptly issued a statement pretty much apologizing for the driver’s behavior.
    https://www.kmov.com/news/george-floyd-protests-st-louis-man-killed-fedex-truck/article_f8a89482-a259-11ea-84b8-a374c58a7d47.html

    Or this hilarity at Caltech. I guess they worry that their 2,5 token black guys will organize a riot and loot their synchrotron.
    https://www.caltech.edu/campus-life-events/campus-announcements/responding-death-george-floyd

    What is the end game for the protesters ? They seem to have no clear economic or political demands, not yet at least.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Black-hole creator


    What is the end game for the protesters ? They seem to have no clear economic or political demands, not yet at least.
     
    Perhaps the answer is, when left to their own devices, without having to cowtow to tenets of modern civilization... negroes tend to err on the side of being horrible:

    https://youtu.be/OMwI5unlK9M

    https://youtu.be/NHPpGtqhOXM

    https://youtu.be/HGk53Tu1-zU

    https://youtu.be/KB_vtHByvn0
    , @botazefa
    @Black-hole creator


    . Or this hilarity at Caltech. I guess they worry that their 2,5 token black guys will organize a riot and loot their synchrotron.
     
    What's your interest? You're not American are you?
  39. I was thinking of Banfield last night. Unheavenly City is a classic.

  40. @candid_observer
    One vector in the current riots that hasn't been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Almost Missouri, @Lot, @Kaz, @J.Ross

    And aggravated by the now mandatorily pre-masked population.

    You’ll recall that earlier Antifa-led mob violence was successfully curtailed by de-masking instigators.

    Well, now not only is masked “protesting” allowed, it’s required!

    Government wedged itself into a corner on this one.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Another new wrinkle I hadn't seen before this weekend is the weaponization of skateboards, often long boards. Grown men rioters carry skateboards, generally without actually skateboarding, and when a victim of opportunity appears, Wham! the skateboard becomes a pretty effective bat. Then if police or unfriendly cameras come, they are magically back to being harmless skateboarders again.

    I suspect you could illuminate some dark streets by spraying Luminol on those skateboard edges.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Almost Missouri

    With facial recognition software you probably do not need a complete facial scan to identify someone. As impotent as the local authorities are, they should make sure to track down some of the more flagrant criminals who are caught on video and make examples out of them. And if the authorities don't want to do it, crowd-source it. That is how they got Eric Clanton, the bike lock guy. Put out a bounty for videos that help identify criminals and hold them under a microscope.

  41. If you can riot, you can get to the polls.

  42. Banfield is of course correct.

    Make you nostalgic for the 80’s, when there were just a couple of localized race riots. And why so few?

    Crack cocaine.

    The brothers were either minting money in the crack trade or smoking themselves into oblivion.

  43. Blacks looting Gucci store in Beverly Hills:

    Antifa guy paying blacks and giving them instructions on how to riot:

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Anon

    Antifa, a racist white supremacist organization that sought to hijack the justifiable anger of BLM and others in the black community, has just been designated by the president as a terrorist organization.

    That should FOREVER be the honorific added to any first reference of Antifa.

    "A racist white supremacist organization ..."

  44. OT Fun Thought: Jack Dorsey probably has to personally approve any modification to Trump’s tweets. Good luck getting a full night’s sleep Jack.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Lugash

    Is Lugash a subset of goulash? Are you Hungarian? I ask these cranky questions while sitting in my armchair.

  45. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    We can think of the riots, and all their harm to society, as one more hidden cost of the shutdown.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    The riots and the virus shutdown are connected, but not in the way you think.

  46. Lot says:
    @candid_observer
    One vector in the current riots that hasn't been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Almost Missouri, @Lot, @Kaz, @J.Ross

    “ Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.”

    Young men especially are video game and social media addicts who did not go out much before CV, and generally ignored the CV orders anyway. I guess they couldn’t go shopping or to school. Last year I asked a lady I know if her high school age brother would like my old bike or if he had one already. The response: “I don’t know if he has one he never leaves the house anyway except for school.”

    A certain demographic regularly riots in the summer. What was different this time was the random event that a Target was looted because it was next to a police station where the protest was, but without the slightest police interference, and lots of videos making it seem like fun.

    From there, rioters decided they needed to “protest police brutality” in high end shopping areas like Scottsdale Fashion Center Mall and the Grove Beverly Hills.

    Steve: “ It’s interesting to observe the ecstatic body language of the looters.“

  47. @Almost Missouri
    @candid_observer

    And aggravated by the now mandatorily pre-masked population.

    You'll recall that earlier Antifa-led mob violence was successfully curtailed by de-masking instigators.

    Well, now not only is masked "protesting" allowed, it's required!

    Government wedged itself into a corner on this one.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Prof. Woland

    Another new wrinkle I hadn’t seen before this weekend is the weaponization of skateboards, often long boards. Grown men rioters carry skateboards, generally without actually skateboarding, and when a victim of opportunity appears, Wham! the skateboard becomes a pretty effective bat. Then if police or unfriendly cameras come, they are magically back to being harmless skateboarders again.

    I suspect you could illuminate some dark streets by spraying Luminol on those skateboard edges.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Another new wrinkle I hadn’t seen before this weekend is the weaponization of skateboards, often long boards

    Portland Antifa has been doing that for a while.

  48. @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Another new wrinkle I hadn't seen before this weekend is the weaponization of skateboards, often long boards. Grown men rioters carry skateboards, generally without actually skateboarding, and when a victim of opportunity appears, Wham! the skateboard becomes a pretty effective bat. Then if police or unfriendly cameras come, they are magically back to being harmless skateboarders again.

    I suspect you could illuminate some dark streets by spraying Luminol on those skateboard edges.

    Replies: @anon

    Another new wrinkle I hadn’t seen before this weekend is the weaponization of skateboards, often long boards

    Portland Antifa has been doing that for a while.

  49. NAM riots, pointless emanations. They can’t keep their eyes on the real thing, the prize: Wall Street. And Wall Street will roll on, crushing all, hoovering up the marrow.

  50. Since we’re going back to yesteryear, here is a very early identification of the Zeroth Amendment in Beyond the Fringe, a famous English humor revue from 1961.

    Skip to 3:45 for the relevant bit.

  51. “killed for walking down the street in Ferguson”

    You know what they say, “Falsus in uno…”

    As for explaining riots, I think Zappa did a better job in “Trouble Every Day”:

    …Don’t you know that this could start
    On any street, in any town,
    In any state, if any clown
    Decides that now’s the time to fight
    For some idea he thinks is right
    And if a million more agree
    There ain’t no Great Society…

    So watch the rats go across the floor
    ‘N make up songs about bein’ poor.
    Blow yer harmonica, son.

  52. “make coherent claims on the state”

    Blacks and their white pets make plenty of claims. Before any claims are honored non-pet-of-blacks-whites should seek a response as to why the rate of interaction between saintly blacks and their cop nemesis is so high.

  53. I look at Drudge Report, and America’s cities are going up in flames. I walk from my condo in Northwest DC to Georgetown, and all I see are friendly white people out walking their dogs. Of course, my route, while it contains many small shops and restaurants, has absolutely nothing worth looting.

    That’s the secret of preserving urban calm when the militant wing of the media-democrat party goes berzerk: have no shops worth looting. Urban blacks will now live in not only food deserts, forced to balloon up to 300 pounds by surviving on Big Macs at whatever fast-food outlets will reopen in burnt-down neighborhoods, but in shopping deserts, so all consumer purchases must be made through Amazon.

    As Jeff Bezos knows, ‘to them that hath shall be given.”

  54. Back in 2014, Steve made a persuasive case that the Ferguson riots were engineered by the John Doe calling himself “Barack Obama” and the DNC, in order to gin up the black (old lady) vote for the mid-terms. Well, if anything, Obama and the DNC now have an even stronger motive for engineering riots for the election.

  55. @candid_observer
    One vector in the current riots that hasn't been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Almost Missouri, @Lot, @Kaz, @J.Ross

    Eh we’ve see riots without any of that.

    But I can see that’s why a lot more white kids are joining in.

    This is a publicly sanctioned party for them. I see it all over facebook..

  56. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    I was thinking that too, but really it turns out that you don't need a Rebellion for the Feds to drop an Airborne division on you, or arson you to death, or just plain sniper you down.

    In a fit of curiosity, I once tried to find the laws that enable these kinds of Federal actions. The answers, as best I could find them, was something something Constitutional Rights something something. Or alternatively, something something White Supremacist something something.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Mao Zedong said power comes from the end of a gun.

  57. @Lugash
    OT Fun Thought: Jack Dorsey probably has to personally approve any modification to Trump's tweets. Good luck getting a full night's sleep Jack.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Is Lugash a subset of goulash? Are you Hungarian? I ask these cranky questions while sitting in my armchair.

  58. @candid_observer
    One vector in the current riots that hasn't been much noted is the pent-up need for acting out after the long shutdown. Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    My guess is that this will keep feeding the riots in a big scale and for a long time.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Almost Missouri, @Lot, @Kaz, @J.Ross

    Our entire society is suffering from cabin fever, young men especially.

    Doubt. Basketball-Americans never respected the lockdown rules.

  59. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    Isn’t disparate sentencing for the same crime one of the black community’s biggest complaints? Giving harsh sentences to white rioters who commit acts of violence seems an excellent way for us to begin the racial healing.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    Disparate sentencing for the same crime is one of the black community’s most pathetic lies. FIFY.

  60. @J.Ross
    Are antifa (or anti-police elements) strolling through putatively white neighborhoods while impersonating police officers and shooting at threatening houses to get white people to hate cops? Both the police and the national guard say this group is not them. Riot gear, apart from the cost, is the easiest part of police kit to perfectly fake. The group is apparently shooting paintballs, which of course police and national guard wouldn't be carrying during a riot, or ever.
    https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    If the group in that clip are Antifa, they are something we really haven’t seen yet.

    Most Antifa males are gangly, soyish 15-40 year olds and this bunch are not that.

  61. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Black-hole creator
    I was probably wrong when I dismissed these riots as business as usual. It seems the zeitgeist changed so much that now everybody has to grovel to the roving gangs of malcontents. Check out this story of a Fedex driver narrowly escaping the lynch mob. The Fedex promptly issued a statement pretty much apologizing for the driver's behavior.
    https://www.kmov.com/news/george-floyd-protests-st-louis-man-killed-fedex-truck/article_f8a89482-a259-11ea-84b8-a374c58a7d47.html

    Or this hilarity at Caltech. I guess they worry that their 2,5 token black guys will organize a riot and loot their synchrotron.
    https://www.caltech.edu/campus-life-events/campus-announcements/responding-death-george-floyd

    What is the end game for the protesters ? They seem to have no clear economic or political demands, not yet at least.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @botazefa

    What is the end game for the protesters ? They seem to have no clear economic or political demands, not yet at least.

    Perhaps the answer is, when left to their own devices, without having to cowtow to tenets of modern civilization… negroes tend to err on the side of being horrible:

  62. @anonymous
    Went and took a look at what was going on Sat in downtown Chicago about 4pm. Mass of protesters were young and white, like around nineteen years old with a fairly even mix of males and females. Blacks were way underrepresented in view of the fact that Chicago is about a third black. Most of the blacks there seemed like the type who hang around with whitey rather than the ghetto saggy pants types. Left before the action intensified as I could feel the mood escalating. Can't tell who the later actual looters were although from television video it appears blacks took over that part. If so then they're really acting true to form. In previous riots blacks would trash the local area because they have to cart their newly acquired items home, which, being local, wasn't hard. In this case it's hard to understand how they thought they could get their looted stuff home from downtown Chicago since it's miles away from their home and they may have to avoid cordons of police in so doing. The logistics are bad for looters who travel to loot. The vandalism and wanton destruction probably was done by the white wannabe antifa mask wearers.

    Replies: @128, @Stan Adams

    They should really just start machine gunning all of those rioters and looters to restore order.

  63. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    Certainly they should be arrested and incarcerated for a long time. But, let’s be honest, they’re pretty white girls who were engaged in leftist violence in NY. That probably won’t result in 25 to life. Probably not even close.

  64. If black lives matter, why don’t they quit murdering each other? Somebody forgot to tell the Bloods and the Crips. And why don’t blacks quit murdering whites and Asians, which they do at a far greater rate than the other way around.

  65. @Jonathan Mason
    Interesting analysis.

    Riots have been around for a long time, ever since the riots at the cremation of Julius Caesar, when the bonfires got way out of control. The conspirators believed that the murder of a tyrant in full view of the Senate would not be seen as a political plot, but as a noble act, done on behalf of their country, a view that would probably trigger riots today in the US.

    There are many different types of riots, for example food riots (for example the New York Flour Riot of 1837), race riots, sports riots, taxation riots, peasant riots, riots leading to revolutions (for example in France at the demise of the ancien regime), riots related to strikes, riots related to (perceived as unfair) court verdicts, prison riots, urban riots, and so on.

    Many race riots occurred in the summer of 1967, (also known as the Summer of Love) in 159 cities in the US.

    The most important component of a riot is the existence of a Mob. While riotous behavior is likely to get you arrested, the more people who participate in mob violence, the smaller the chance of each individual being arrested, so there is safety in numbers.

    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal, the family demanded that the police apologize and then kept escalating their demands until rioting broke out, with fires and lots of looting completely unrelated to the original complaint, and the rioting then spread to other cities where mobs did not want to be left out of the action.

    Underlying a lot of the current rioting, I think, is a perception among many people in poor communities in the US (and other countries) that the police are not their friend and that they act with impunity like an army of occupation. But once the protests start, even if somewhat legitimate at the outset, the criminal gangs that infest these neighborhoods quickly emerge from the woodwork to take advantage of the breakdown in law and order and win a certain amount of sympathy from the captive population, many of whom are their extended family members.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Inquiring Mind, @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, bullshit.

  66. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    We have a contender for ISteve Man of the Year.

    Charles Shoultz, up until May 30th, was a left-leaning good-thinker. A man of letters, with a fondness for literature, who quixotically tried to fend off looters from his watering whole bar, with a sword.

    He was then beaten within an inch of his life.

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhnF6U61tX0A8iUAhd

    https://www.instagram.com/charles_shoultz/?hl=en

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    Whole video, where he gets domed with a rock.

    https://twitter.com/avraamdebord/status/1266972893591846914

  67. I read Banfield at the time and I agree his analysis was apt. But there is more.

    I think rioting is a natural consequence of urbanization. I don’t call what is going on across the nation protesting because what is there to protest? The cop was a bad cop. I have seen a number of films (e.g. “Bad Lieutenant”) about crooked or nasty out of control police. During the enforced house boundedness I read a book a day. Many of the best sellers I consume are crime books and a number of them are about bad cops. I don’t have statistics but I would guess that there are more bad cops then there are serial killers – in real life and in fiction. The point is, this is not the first bad cop and will not be the last, as long as we have cops.

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed. Punishment for bad cops is always too lenient because of the eighth amendment. Almost everyone in America probably agrees with me. But this guy has been arrested and is in custody. He will be punished – maybe not severely enough – but as much as modern society currently allows. What is there to protest?

    No, the phenomenon we are witnessing is rioting for fun and profit.

    America is modeled in many ways on the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers did this on purpose. The Roman republic was well known when they were creating our institutions. They all read Tacitus, Suetonius and Livy. They attended popular plays on Roman subjects the way we all watched cowboy TV show in the fifties. That’s why our republic is structured so much like the Roman one. That’s why the Federal Triangle looks like a conglomeration of Roman temples.

    But the Romans had an institution that we have ignored. They had the Saturnalia. Every year on schedule they released the pressure and reversed the oppression of their slave culture. The slaves were waited on by their masters. Authority was not enforced. It only lasted a day but it was intended as a kind of pressure release. It seems to have worked. The later Romans (who were in fact Greeks) were even more urbanized and had far worse riots than we are having now. Maybe Justinian and Belisarius should have had more pressure release mechanisms. We certainly need some.

    In the recent virus control crack down the oppression of the average citizen has reached unprecedented heights. The more stoic races like the East Asians probably have done less mischief than the majority European descended whites. But the blacks seemed to have endured the stress of the pandemic quite poorly. They have exploded into mindless violence. Violence that looks patterned – like a dance with characteristic steps and movements. I imagine the TV news channels will start stockpiling videos as “stock footage”. This one looks like Ferguson or Baltimore. It’s hard to take the nominal political cause of the rioting seriously when it looks so much like a periodic native folk expression. The pattern has emerged. It has been seen.

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the ‘Shoot all looters’ order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued. So the underlying problem will just be pushed aside and interested parties will draw their self serving lessons. We are likely to continue to hear more racism nonsense for quite some time, which means we are doomed to have more similar race riots for the foreseeable future.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Pat Boyle

    There is some intellectually impaired business owner in the City of Ulyanov commenting on the local TV station Web page, "my property can always be replaced, but not black lives."

    So is this downtown business offering his particular business property as a sacrifice of propitiation?

    And it is naive to suggest that property can be replaced, because some of it never is, the riot-wrecked neighborhoods never come back, and the despair of the remaining black lives is deepened?

    , @kaganovitch
    @Pat Boyle

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd's death.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle

    Minnesota abolished the death penalty in 1911. The most that Chauvin is facing is 25 years (but in effect it would be the death penalty because he would be murdered by the inmates in prison).

    Personally I favor the death penalty in cases of intentional murder, so I would be OK if Minnesota executed the (mostly black) criminals who have committed that act. However, this doesn't include the cop. If he really intended to kill Floyd, he sure used a slow and less than sure fire method. The guy had a pistol right there on his belt - he could have just shot him and gotten it over with much more quickly and with a lot more certainty.

    Everyone is real excited now but I predict that in his trial there will be a hung jury and they will be unable to secure the conviction of Officer Chauvin. Or else he will be convicted of manslaughter at most.

    There was a Minneapolis cop who killed a woman with his gun for no good reason. But the cop was black and the woman was white so there was no Undocumented Shopping holiday declared. In fact some of the current demonstrators are calling for the cop to get out of jail. As far as I can tell, the request is for black people to be immune from arrest for any reason. That way EVERY day could be undocumented shopping day. If the police no longer arrested blacks then these unpleasant encounters between the police and blacks would not happen anymore. Blacks built America so everything in it should be free for the taking. Nothing less will satisfy them.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Pat Boyle

    The Romans also freed slaves routinely, and after a generation or two, the stigma of slavery faded, and their descendants were just Romans.

  68. It’s worth calling out someone who is doing good in Madison, WI: Michael Johnson, CEO and President of the Boys & Girls Clubs of Dane County. This man is a peace-maker.

    1.) After the police shooting death of Tony Robinson in 2015, Johnson met with then Governor Scott Walker and asked Walker to reach out to Robinson’s mother, which he did. Johnson was criticized for doing this, but he said he wanted to be a bridge-builder. Madison didn’t turn into a Ferguson, and Michael Johnson deserves some of the credit for that.

    2.) Last week, Johnson organized a virtual conference of police chiefs of Dane County to condemn the killing of George Floyd. Why was this good? Because it demonstrated that local law enforcement are *not* the enemy of minorities in Madison and Dane County.

    3.) In response to the looting last night in Madison, Johnson called on volunteers to go to State Street today and clean up the mess. The Boys & Girls Clubs are also raising relief funds for the businesses that were looted.

    In other words, Michael Johnson walks the walk and talks the talk that you would expect from a responsible citizen. (In case any of you are wondering, yes, Johnson is black.) https://www.channel3000.com/boys-girls-club-of-dane-county-organizes-state-street-cleanup-event/

  69. Rioting is just the urban form of the Debt Jubilee that Michael Hudson et al have been advocating as the tonic to cure all our societal ails.

  70. For everyone’s Sunday afternoon viewing pleasure, I present Dounya Zayer’s Instagram (with 113k followers!!!):

    https://www.instagram.com/dounyazayer/

    Shame such a cute girl has such an ugly worldview. Will probably crank out a couple half-orclets in a few years.

  71. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    OT

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/better-fertility-treatments-can-mean-much-older-parents-but-how-does-this-affect-their-offspring/2020/05/29/17bc7858-7da1-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html

    In December, two prominent psychologists and two reproductive endocrinologists published an opinion paper in the Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics questioning whether it was time to establish age restrictions in the field. They wrote that research has shown that children often experience social awkwardness if their parents are a half-century older than them and face greater risk of autism and psychopathologies. These children are also more likely to serve in a caregiving role and experience bereavement as adolescents or teens compared with their peers whose parents gave birth in their 20s and 30s, they wrote.

    Do those risks constitute the potential for “great harm” to the child and outweigh a person’s right to “reproduce without limitation or interference” at any age, the authors asked.
     
    What limit are they proposing? Age 50. I haven’t been keeping up with the technology, I suppose. Fifty-year-old women are having babies?!

    The Post reporter who wrote the story was born to a 39-year-old mom and a 53-year-old father.

    Most of the examples seems to be born to smart Jewish couples, which is good, since I think these IVF babies lose 10 or 15 IQ points compared to normal, fight-it-out-in-the-uterus babies.

    Replies: @Anon

    Presumably there are systematic differences between the type of people who have children late and other people. (It wouldn’t surprise me if the former have worse social skills, for example. ) So any study of this issue would need to effectively control for the differences. I couldn’t read the referenced study, so I can’t tell whether the authors did that.

  72. @Anon
    Blacks looting Gucci store in Beverly Hills:

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1266900626685997059?s=20

    Antifa guy paying blacks and giving them instructions on how to riot:

    https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1267045458007994369

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Antifa, a racist white supremacist organization that sought to hijack the justifiable anger of BLM and others in the black community, has just been designated by the president as a terrorist organization.

    That should FOREVER be the honorific added to any first reference of Antifa.

    “A racist white supremacist organization …”

  73. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    @Anonymous

    Isn't disparate sentencing for the same crime one of the black community's biggest complaints? Giving harsh sentences to white rioters who commit acts of violence seems an excellent way for us to begin the racial healing.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Disparate sentencing for the same crime is one of the black community’s most pathetic lies. FIFY.

  74. @Anon
    We have a contender for ISteve Man of the Year.

    Charles Shoultz, up until May 30th, was a left-leaning good-thinker. A man of letters, with a fondness for literature, who quixotically tried to fend off looters from his watering whole bar, with a sword.

    He was then beaten within an inch of his life.

    https://twitter.com/AT4V1SM/status/1267136882313486336?s=20

    https://twitter.com/AT4V1SM/status/1267139588935561218

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhnF6U61tX0A8iUAhd

    https://www.instagram.com/charles_shoultz/?hl=en

    Replies: @Anon

    Whole video, where he gets domed with a rock.

  75. “a doctrine that is still with us today, as people are killed for walking down the street in Ferguson”

    How can they lie in such an extreme way. What is going on inside their brains? seriously. it’s like they don’t even try to engage with reality in an honest way.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @bigdicknick

    It's all about loyalty and enmity. And their loyalty is to evil. Facts play no role whatsoever.

  76. For the poor and working class, living standards have actually decreased. They used to work in factories with strong unions and good pay, but now such jobs do not exist. America’s economy is now an increasingly bifurcated one where those with high levels of education and ability to deal with an ever more complex world can reap huge rewards in pay and social esteem, and but those whose naturals temperaments make complexity and long years of education confusing and stressful and thus unlikely find only painful, low pay and low benefit work in jobs such as uber. The whites in this category are suffering grievously and use opioids so soothe their pains, and the blacks in the same category also suffer and they have the added indignity of dealing with constantly circulating videos of police brutality that damage their feelings further as if poverty and limited hope for the future were not themselves painful enough.

    The man you mentioned in your post, Steve, gives a seductive narrative, and its seductive because it erases moral responsibility from those who can bring about change and blames the poor for all their misfortunes but the truth is more complicated. Poverty and misery would not be as widespread in America if the coastal elites didn’t keep all the money for their selves, money they extract from poor and working people through newly valuables resources such as personal data (e.g. Facebook, Google).

    • Replies: @TheNomad
    @TheNomad

    I meant to write "America’s economy is NOW an increasingly bifurcated one ..."

  77. Don’t know how good my info is; I do not know any rioters in 2020 (protesters, whatever) but it appears to me a goodly fraction (at least 10%) are out for a good pic for their instagram or facebook or wherever.

  78. @TheNomad
    For the poor and working class, living standards have actually decreased. They used to work in factories with strong unions and good pay, but now such jobs do not exist. America’s economy is now an increasingly bifurcated one where those with high levels of education and ability to deal with an ever more complex world can reap huge rewards in pay and social esteem, and but those whose naturals temperaments make complexity and long years of education confusing and stressful and thus unlikely find only painful, low pay and low benefit work in jobs such as uber. The whites in this category are suffering grievously and use opioids so soothe their pains, and the blacks in the same category also suffer and they have the added indignity of dealing with constantly circulating videos of police brutality that damage their feelings further as if poverty and limited hope for the future were not themselves painful enough.

    The man you mentioned in your post, Steve, gives a seductive narrative, and its seductive because it erases moral responsibility from those who can bring about change and blames the poor for all their misfortunes but the truth is more complicated. Poverty and misery would not be as widespread in America if the coastal elites didn’t keep all the money for their selves, money they extract from poor and working people through newly valuables resources such as personal data (e.g. Facebook, Google).

    Replies: @TheNomad

    I meant to write “America’s economy is NOW an increasingly bifurcated one …”

  79. @Jonathan Mason
    Interesting analysis.

    Riots have been around for a long time, ever since the riots at the cremation of Julius Caesar, when the bonfires got way out of control. The conspirators believed that the murder of a tyrant in full view of the Senate would not be seen as a political plot, but as a noble act, done on behalf of their country, a view that would probably trigger riots today in the US.

    There are many different types of riots, for example food riots (for example the New York Flour Riot of 1837), race riots, sports riots, taxation riots, peasant riots, riots leading to revolutions (for example in France at the demise of the ancien regime), riots related to strikes, riots related to (perceived as unfair) court verdicts, prison riots, urban riots, and so on.

    Many race riots occurred in the summer of 1967, (also known as the Summer of Love) in 159 cities in the US.

    The most important component of a riot is the existence of a Mob. While riotous behavior is likely to get you arrested, the more people who participate in mob violence, the smaller the chance of each individual being arrested, so there is safety in numbers.

    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal, the family demanded that the police apologize and then kept escalating their demands until rioting broke out, with fires and lots of looting completely unrelated to the original complaint, and the rioting then spread to other cities where mobs did not want to be left out of the action.

    Underlying a lot of the current rioting, I think, is a perception among many people in poor communities in the US (and other countries) that the police are not their friend and that they act with impunity like an army of occupation. But once the protests start, even if somewhat legitimate at the outset, the criminal gangs that infest these neighborhoods quickly emerge from the woodwork to take advantage of the breakdown in law and order and win a certain amount of sympathy from the captive population, many of whom are their extended family members.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Inquiring Mind, @Reg Cæsar

    There is also this thing about “respect” (honor), that apparently made its way from a portion of England to the American South and now is the cornerstone of underclass black culture.

    The big thing in the news — the brother of the late George Floyd received a call, presumably a condolence, from President Trump, and he is all over the media complaining that Mr. Trump didn’t let him get a word in.

    I wasn’t there, and I did not see the transcript of this particular presidential phone call, but the president telephoned and he didn’t quite do it right, so now the brother has been “disrespected.”

    Didn’t the same thing take place about an American Special Forces soldier, a black man, who died in combat in an ambush carried out against our soldiers in Niger? President Trump made the condolence call to the parents, I guess, and that Florida Congresswoman who wears that stupid “cowboy” hat was listening in? And guess, what, President Trump said the “wrong thing.” We saw an awful lot of that silly member of Congress in that stupid had for a very, very long time afterward.

    The there was that Cindy Sheehan lady, white, yes, but her son died in combat in Iraq, and the condolence call from President Bush “disrespected her.”

    The “beefs” that lead to black-on-black killing in our cities has to do with respect or being disrespected?

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Inquiring Mind

    Yes, it's all the fault of those cavaliers who fought for Charles Stuart in the civil war - they brought their violent, haughty manners over to the colonies. The Royalists did fire a few cities in England after all. I saw a sign held up by an sjw woman at the London protest supporting the blacks in USA which read 'American racism was caused by British colonialism'.

  80. Huh?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7008890/antifa-trump-george-floyd-protests/

    Antifa to be designated as terrorist organization, Trump says

  81. @Pat Boyle
    I read Banfield at the time and I agree his analysis was apt. But there is more.

    I think rioting is a natural consequence of urbanization. I don't call what is going on across the nation protesting because what is there to protest? The cop was a bad cop. I have seen a number of films (e.g. "Bad Lieutenant") about crooked or nasty out of control police. During the enforced house boundedness I read a book a day. Many of the best sellers I consume are crime books and a number of them are about bad cops. I don't have statistics but I would guess that there are more bad cops then there are serial killers - in real life and in fiction. The point is, this is not the first bad cop and will not be the last, as long as we have cops.

    But the cop's behavior isn't the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed. Punishment for bad cops is always too lenient because of the eighth amendment. Almost everyone in America probably agrees with me. But this guy has been arrested and is in custody. He will be punished - maybe not severely enough - but as much as modern society currently allows. What is there to protest?

    No, the phenomenon we are witnessing is rioting for fun and profit.

    America is modeled in many ways on the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers did this on purpose. The Roman republic was well known when they were creating our institutions. They all read Tacitus, Suetonius and Livy. They attended popular plays on Roman subjects the way we all watched cowboy TV show in the fifties. That's why our republic is structured so much like the Roman one. That's why the Federal Triangle looks like a conglomeration of Roman temples.

    But the Romans had an institution that we have ignored. They had the Saturnalia. Every year on schedule they released the pressure and reversed the oppression of their slave culture. The slaves were waited on by their masters. Authority was not enforced. It only lasted a day but it was intended as a kind of pressure release. It seems to have worked. The later Romans (who were in fact Greeks) were even more urbanized and had far worse riots than we are having now. Maybe Justinian and Belisarius should have had more pressure release mechanisms. We certainly need some.

    In the recent virus control crack down the oppression of the average citizen has reached unprecedented heights. The more stoic races like the East Asians probably have done less mischief than the majority European descended whites. But the blacks seemed to have endured the stress of the pandemic quite poorly. They have exploded into mindless violence. Violence that looks patterned - like a dance with characteristic steps and movements. I imagine the TV news channels will start stockpiling videos as "stock footage". This one looks like Ferguson or Baltimore. It's hard to take the nominal political cause of the rioting seriously when it looks so much like a periodic native folk expression. The pattern has emerged. It has been seen.

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the 'Shoot all looters' order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued. So the underlying problem will just be pushed aside and interested parties will draw their self serving lessons. We are likely to continue to hear more racism nonsense for quite some time, which means we are doomed to have more similar race riots for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    There is some intellectually impaired business owner in the City of Ulyanov commenting on the local TV station Web page, “my property can always be replaced, but not black lives.”

    So is this downtown business offering his particular business property as a sacrifice of propitiation?

    And it is naive to suggest that property can be replaced, because some of it never is, the riot-wrecked neighborhoods never come back, and the despair of the remaining black lives is deepened?

  82. @Anon
    Somebody organized this, and it wasn't Russia.

    Christopher Wray, why aren't you doing your job? Were you Epsteined Wray? Compromised?

    Cell phone/car rental/train and plane ticket data should be available. Airbnb, hotels, known antifa safe houses. Dont tell me "we have no idea".

    The FBI is an embarrassment. Do your damned jobs!

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    With the Feds ability to monitor communications it would be very easy to infiltrate Antifa and find out all the players, especially if Trump designates them a terrorist organization. Furthermore, if someone (((Soros))) was funding any of this, it would be easy to link and hold them accountable. This would include any material support, and if it was given by foreign powers like the Chinese they could be held for treason. You cannot sue a 19 year old and get any money but if it turns out they were funded by (((rich old))) supporters you could take them down for every penny they are worth.
    It also strikes me as odd that we have not done the same thing with illegal immigration. If someone is hurt by an illegal alien the people and organization (s) that helped them get here should be just as liable.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Prof. Woland

    Roosevelt Institute is a Soros operation.

  83. @Ganderson
    There were riots on the North Side of Minneapolis in 1967.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    How extensive were they?

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Hibernian

    About a week’s worth, and the National Guard Was deployed. I was in 8th grade so my memory is hazy. I don’t recall them spilling into other parts of the cities- we were safe over in St. Paul, we thought at least. The population of MPLS and St Paul was slightly larger, but the black population was way smaller.

  84. @Justvisiting
    Banfield made many excellent points.

    He made the argument that the difference between the lower classes and the middle and upper classes was their time horizon.

    Lower class people have short time horizons--they want stuff and they want it now, and they don't care about the consequences.

    Middle and upper class people think about second and third order consequences--they are able to form abstract concepts and act on them.

    There is certainly a racial component to this, but the educational system can mitigate it or make it worse. Some percentage of the lower classes can be trained to extend their time horizons, but some have low enough IQs that this is not practical.

    He did not focus on the upper classes very much--but it is clear that they prefer criminal activity with long-term time horizons (ponzi schemes, corruption of .gov, operating in a kleptocracy). They understand that the best way to rob a bank is to own one.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    He did not focus on the upper classes very much–but it is clear that they prefer criminal activity with long-term time horizons (ponzi schemes, corruption of .gov, operating in a kleptocracy).

    Some of the upper classes prefer hiring a mercenary army of the short time horizon poor as their route to long term success. Also some of their own young people may play the Che/Fidel role; in the ’60s and early ’70s they tended to do that on the campuses, but now they riot downtown.

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @candid_observer

    And aggravated by the now mandatorily pre-masked population.

    You'll recall that earlier Antifa-led mob violence was successfully curtailed by de-masking instigators.

    Well, now not only is masked "protesting" allowed, it's required!

    Government wedged itself into a corner on this one.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Prof. Woland

    With facial recognition software you probably do not need a complete facial scan to identify someone. As impotent as the local authorities are, they should make sure to track down some of the more flagrant criminals who are caught on video and make examples out of them. And if the authorities don’t want to do it, crowd-source it. That is how they got Eric Clanton, the bike lock guy. Put out a bounty for videos that help identify criminals and hold them under a microscope.

  86. Photos of police in 3 different countries placing their knees on necks to restrain suspects on the ground, in France, Portugal and Israel, exactly as Derek Chauvin did to George Floyd, apparently standard police practice

    Article in French confirming the photo above from France is genuine
    https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2789515-20200530-oui-interpellation-homme-immobilise-genou-cou-bien-filmee-paris

    As well as being a co-worker bouncer at the same Latino nightclub as Derek Chauvin, George Floyd was literally an actor, starring in adult video as ‘Big Floyd’, here’s a title screenshot, of a film widely available on the web for those who search with the family filter off

    • Thanks: Joseph Doaks
  87. Sean says:

    https://contemporarythinkers.org/edward-banfield/

    Interviewed by Kristol the Younger, DeMuth makes many interesting points about Banfield , but even more illuminating ones about how Nixon’s practical quick method of administration was his downfall and a funny one about meeting Obama on a long plane flight. Yet the best concerns institute head James Q. Wilson standing byThe Bell Curve, DeMuth points out that it would have been difficult to demonise a Harvard professor which Richard J. Herrnstein was until his demise before the book was published, and that left Murray very, very exposed indeed.

    [V]isible signs of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, public drinking, and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes.

    This is of course (Banfield student) James Q. Wilson’s Broken Windows theory

  88. Read Paul Craig Roberts. He has it all down. This bozo is just a fucking agent. Irony is the last gasp of the drying dessicated brain.

    https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-external-cost-of-one-minnesota-cop-is-very-high/

  89. How is having 40 million people unemployed working out for ya?

    You can thank the insane lockdown for some of the violence we see sweeping the country. Sitting at home, with nothing better to do.

  90. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @yaph
    If the cops don't like riots they shouldn't instigate them.

    Replies: @Anon

    If the cops don’t like riots they shouldn’t instigate them.

    By enforcing law and order?

    Neck Hold Used By Minneapolis Officer Was Approved By Department Policy
    The Technique Is Considered ‘Non-Lethal’

    The death of George Floyd has sent shock waves across the country, with riots breaking out in several major cities.

    The focus of the anger is the technique used by Officer Derek Chauvin.

    Chauvin, a 19 year officer, was filmed holding Floyd on the ground with his knee to the back of his neck.

    Experts we have talked to have all agreed that the technique is wrong and inappropriate but the findings today have all of them shaking their heads in disbelief.

    GEORGE FLOYD AUTOPSY SHOWS NO TRAUMA
    According to the Minneapolis Police Policy Manual, the restraint used was in policy and it also indicates that training is given to officers on the maneuver.

    According to the policy, a neck restraint can be used as a form of a “non-deadly option” and is defined as “compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck).”

    Chauvin was applying pressure to the back and side of the neck and not in the front and appeared to be compliant with existing policy…

    https://www.lawofficer.com/neck-hold-used-by-minneapolis-officer-was-approved-by-department-policy/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ba645d158613b873996a9c38587e9a3f0fa7fa1f-1590953878-0-AfXaMFL3JadIDfG5H_YeWJk18ZV4IEO9YT70LMuY9PnHa717pXh_t7cFzgxD_S7a-Zy8Yg2riPaihZ17CCEsWrAXxmMQocfdOMERG-9lS4Ar6jkZTcLawtlBKnalURAA1pe_fDtt92DZyNhGeMGXS5_lxOeArGDKzX5GHHH0MxmbTryso1QVxCukNA-fuUSerrIjsqwzpO7M_WptNIFJ9hnBeF-xLKEpeNIZJXe9mnj422ztz8837dBQcH-YqR5CWITTEP_vFLI43cN7z6DgK54MDmB1Vc4dth4pa3kBohY4LvN1mMD8pM8FC8bGgc8uujtKS4n48RGQykOQSICFYA-fak-HV80wBnoUY3NYe3Tqulrugwa2-a6TJ-RHGH0iDw

  91. I looked up the cause of arrest for George Floyd. He was drunk and passed a $20 counterfeit bill at a store.

  92. DJT just designated Antifa as a terrorist organization.

  93. @J. Farmer
    Banfield also wrote the good book The Moral Basis of a Backwards Society, comparing towns in Italy.

    Replies: @black sea

    Thanks for mentioning this book and its author. I read it with considerable interest as a graduate student in the 1980s, but completely forgot the title. Your reference to it jogged my memory. I’d love to read it again and compare my impressions now to what I remember of it from way back when.

  94. The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the ‘Shoot all looters’ order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued.

    No one in authority is going to give a shoot all looters order because they’d be criminally and civilly liable for it. Even if the order was given none of the underlings would carry it out because they know they’d be liable as well, and any promises of immunity would be blown away by a federal judge in Hawaii. It’s 2020 as well, so there’s no chance of anonymity… even residential construction sites in Bumfuck, GA have multiple security camera. Think Officer Krupke is going to shoot a looter in downtown LA? Or even swing a riot baton if he’s trying to clear a street?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lugash


    No one in authority is going to give a shoot all looters order because they’d be criminally and civilly liable for it. Even if the order was given none of the underlings would carry it out because they know they’d be liable as well, and any promises of immunity would be blown away by a federal judge in Hawaii. It’s 2020 as well, so there’s no chance of anonymity… even residential construction sites in Bumfuck, GA have multiple security camera. Think Officer Krupke is going to shoot a looter in downtown LA? Or even swing a riot baton if he’s trying to clear a street?
     
    This is the Left's version of "setting us up for the good old crosswind slip to the snap roll crash". Anarcho-tyranny leads to a populace which when faced with more leftish depredations or the brown battalions will prefer the brown battalions. That's why the SA was popular despite it being obvious they were just a different batch of thugs than the ones the Left had. In fact some went back and forth. They were useful idiots.

    When the time was right a certain Leader, who though a military midwit was a genuine political genius, purged the SA, killing the worst of the worst and making ordinary citizens or members of the Heer or the Wehrmacht out of the ordinary thugs and taking the cream into the SS.

    When the winds shifted in Germany a lot of the Reds became the red and black. After the war particularly in the East, many went the other way. The Soviets were smart enough to let the Volksarmee be thoroughly German, so many Nazis preferred life in regimented East Germany so long as they got to swing the pimp hand.

    The Left never learns. Just doesn't. Just can't.

    Und so weiter ...t'will be merely by the merest inch......
  95. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    https://qz.com/678186/theres-a-neurological-explanation-for-the-link-between-sex-and-violence/

    It is like sex, the woman will not initiate, but excited by the conquering confident-in-a-situation-of-risk men’s arousal, they turn into animals. Also like sex because a woman bears a disproportionate share of the costs. She will do more time than Chauvin.

  96. @Jimmy1969
    Read the book in University, which was offered as a counterweight to all of the then left propaganda we were reading. I remember the second version better: titled revisited, I think. One interesting fact that is not mentioned in this article is what Banfield said about punishing rioters. He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    How about shooting rioters on sight? Is that immediate enough?

    The police in Philly did a disappearing act. Not clear whether it was under orders or they were pulling a pre-emptive Baltimore style police work stoppage. The downtown shopping district was looted yesterday afternoon. The police showed up around 10:30 this morning.

    Some blacks gathered at our big suburban mall (King of Prussia) and tried to break into the Macy’s. In about 30 seconds there were 20 cop cars there and there was no significant looting.

  97. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    The young Ms Shader’s mother.

    Summary: Amy Shader is 48 years old and was born on 04/29/1972. Amy Shader lives in Catskill, NY; previous cities include West Camp NY, Malden On Hudson NY and Saugerties NY. Sometimes Amy goes by various nicknames including Amy M Schweter, Amy M Shader and Amy M Shadet. We have lots of information about Amy: religious views are listed as Jewish,

    Shocking.

  98. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    These people dont seem worried about that virus at all do they? Nobody seems to be discussing this as a spreader event in the MSM.

    Im glad Trump has designated Antifa as a terrorist group. Now perhaps the Feds will be forced to really go after this bunch the way they went after the mafia, right up to the top (Soros). I very much want Soros in a Federal Prison.

  99. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BanTheBBC/status/1267098703816425473

  100. @Pat Boyle
    I read Banfield at the time and I agree his analysis was apt. But there is more.

    I think rioting is a natural consequence of urbanization. I don't call what is going on across the nation protesting because what is there to protest? The cop was a bad cop. I have seen a number of films (e.g. "Bad Lieutenant") about crooked or nasty out of control police. During the enforced house boundedness I read a book a day. Many of the best sellers I consume are crime books and a number of them are about bad cops. I don't have statistics but I would guess that there are more bad cops then there are serial killers - in real life and in fiction. The point is, this is not the first bad cop and will not be the last, as long as we have cops.

    But the cop's behavior isn't the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed. Punishment for bad cops is always too lenient because of the eighth amendment. Almost everyone in America probably agrees with me. But this guy has been arrested and is in custody. He will be punished - maybe not severely enough - but as much as modern society currently allows. What is there to protest?

    No, the phenomenon we are witnessing is rioting for fun and profit.

    America is modeled in many ways on the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers did this on purpose. The Roman republic was well known when they were creating our institutions. They all read Tacitus, Suetonius and Livy. They attended popular plays on Roman subjects the way we all watched cowboy TV show in the fifties. That's why our republic is structured so much like the Roman one. That's why the Federal Triangle looks like a conglomeration of Roman temples.

    But the Romans had an institution that we have ignored. They had the Saturnalia. Every year on schedule they released the pressure and reversed the oppression of their slave culture. The slaves were waited on by their masters. Authority was not enforced. It only lasted a day but it was intended as a kind of pressure release. It seems to have worked. The later Romans (who were in fact Greeks) were even more urbanized and had far worse riots than we are having now. Maybe Justinian and Belisarius should have had more pressure release mechanisms. We certainly need some.

    In the recent virus control crack down the oppression of the average citizen has reached unprecedented heights. The more stoic races like the East Asians probably have done less mischief than the majority European descended whites. But the blacks seemed to have endured the stress of the pandemic quite poorly. They have exploded into mindless violence. Violence that looks patterned - like a dance with characteristic steps and movements. I imagine the TV news channels will start stockpiling videos as "stock footage". This one looks like Ferguson or Baltimore. It's hard to take the nominal political cause of the rioting seriously when it looks so much like a periodic native folk expression. The pattern has emerged. It has been seen.

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the 'Shoot all looters' order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued. So the underlying problem will just be pushed aside and interested parties will draw their self serving lessons. We are likely to continue to hear more racism nonsense for quite some time, which means we are doomed to have more similar race riots for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd’s death.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @kaganovitch

    You have a minority view on this issue. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong but it sure looks like the cop had bad intentions.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    It's not going through here but photo montages are being prepared and propagated: police kneeing necks in France, Israel, Czechia, Mexico, Italy, etc.: apparently this is a widely used standard procedure which rarely causes permanent damage let alone death.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    , @James Speaks
    @kaganovitch


    The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd’s death.
     
    True, it is approved by the Minnesota police handbook, but it shouldn’t be as suspects should not be left in the prone position. I suspect the handbook will be updated.

    The real issue is that Floyd suffered heart failure. If you watch the part of the video where he falls to the ground, it looks like his knees buckled. I think the issue here is depraved indifference. He needed medical attention ASAP and they waited until he had died. All four officers present were fired.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public. So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch

  101. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    #265, from your liked article:

    “Both sisters – who hail from the town of Catskill – have a history of clashes with police at protests, a law enforcement source told DailyMail.com.”

    Hate to see this, it’s unfortunate these sisters headed down this path. I hope one day they’re able to turn their lives around.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  102. Off-topic, but not by much.

    The New York Times has started parodying itself:

    ‘No More Money for the Police’ Philip V. McHarris & Thenjiwe McHarris’

    That’ll work out really well.

    Funnily enough, I’m open to the idea. It’ll end up with a resurrection of the Klan, and whatever the other drawbacks of that, we can definitively address our black problem.

    …Thenjiwe McHarris?

  103. @kaganovitch
    @Pat Boyle

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd's death.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @Chrisnonymous

    You have a minority view on this issue. Maybe you’re right and I’m wrong but it sure looks like the cop had bad intentions.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Pat Boyle

    Or maybe he didn't have bad intentions but holding a knee on someone's neck for 9 minutes will cause the prostrate person to expire.

    I was curious so I tried it on my husband yesterday. He's been sleeping ever since. I just can't get him to wake up.

  104. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Looks like there were a few rapes of white female protestors or passing drivers by some of the black protestors in Minneapolis.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/woman-found-dead-car-minneapolis-following-night-kidnappings-random-cars-shot-rioters

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/women-reportedly-kidnapped-pulled-cars-minneapolis-riot-random-drivers-shot

    ‘Kidnappings’, read rape abductions. At least one of them was murdered.

  105. I was wondering if there was any information anywhere about the fake $20 bill so I did a bit of googling and the interesting thing was that I found a website that gave you a WhatsApp number where you could order large quantities of fake bills which claim to be so good that they could run through ATM machines there were available in a number of denominations and in several different currencies of different countries.

    Who knew?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com

    Can this really be for real?

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @kaganovitch

  106. @Jonathan Mason
    I was wondering if there was any information anywhere about the fake $20 bill so I did a bit of googling and the interesting thing was that I found a website that gave you a WhatsApp number where you could order large quantities of fake bills which claim to be so good that they could run through ATM machines there were available in a number of denominations and in several different currencies of different countries.

    Who knew?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com

    Can this really be for real?

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Can this really be for real?"

    Oh, it's real.

    It's a genuine honeypot.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com
    Can this really be for real?


    I too was skeptical, but I asked a Nigerian prince I know and he told me it's completely legit.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  107. There’s some stuff i could use at Home Depot …

    but there are hardly any blacks around here, and lots of people are armed, and the Democrats aren’t in charge … so i think i’m going to have to pay retail.

  108. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I suggest everyone sit home and read a book.

  109. Just want to point out that in moral theology, property damage is normally worse than stealing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Father Coughlin

    Sure, if you destroy something you've deprived the owner of it without yourself benefiting from the use of it.

  110. WE’VE
    Attorney General William Barr
    COME TOO FAR
    Per presidential tweet
    TO GIVE UP
    recognizes antifa
    WHO WE ARE
    as a terrorist organization
    SO LET’S
    and says it will be
    RAISE THE BAR
    treated accordingly
    AND OUR CAUSE
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barrs-statement-riots-and-domestic-terrorism
    TO THE STARS

  111. I wonder how many people are protesting/rioting/looting because they can wear masks? And are thus immune to arrest after the fact via cell phone video.

  112. I harp on it, but can anyone deny the US is a third world country? Or has SpaceX bought us a slight reprieve?

    And is it just me, but are the feel-good posts of people cleaning up after riots in Minneapolis and Rochester, NY enraging? To me it feels like an abused wife cleaning up the broken bottles and scrubbing out blood stains while the husband sleeps off a bender, and hoping tonight might go better. You shouldn’t have to be doing this if someone stopped the violence in the first place. It’s just going to happen again.

  113. @kaganovitch
    @Pat Boyle

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd's death.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @Chrisnonymous

    It’s not going through here but photo montages are being prepared and propagated: police kneeing necks in France, Israel, Czechia, Mexico, Italy, etc.: apparently this is a widely used standard procedure which rarely causes permanent damage let alone death.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
    @J.Ross

    Please post that up somewhere... that would be interesting to see.

    I Googled it but of course Google be like "Hardy har har ... we aint showin u that".

  114. Glorifying Violence

    Our people need to get off Twitter

  115. @kaganovitch
    @Pat Boyle

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd's death.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @Chrisnonymous

    The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd’s death.

    True, it is approved by the Minnesota police handbook, but it shouldn’t be as suspects should not be left in the prone position. I suspect the handbook will be updated.

    The real issue is that Floyd suffered heart failure. If you watch the part of the video where he falls to the ground, it looks like his knees buckled. I think the issue here is depraved indifference. He needed medical attention ASAP and they waited until he had died. All four officers present were fired.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @James Speaks

    The real issue is that Floyd suffered heart failure. If you watch the part of the video where he falls to the ground, it looks like his knees buckled. I think the issue here is depraved indifference. He needed medical attention ASAP and they waited until he had died. All four officers present were fired.

    It seems likely that they didn't know he had a heart attack, no? In any case,even depraved indifference is not worthy of their execution as P. Boyle was calling for.

  116. @stevesailer I’ve posted the whole of Chapter 9 of the first edition of The Unheavenly City at VDARE.com as “Rioting Mainly For Fun And Profit”: What Edward Banfield ACTUALLY SAID In 1970 (Policymakers Take Note!) .

    Sample quote:

    In September 1962, Negroes in the all-Negro village of Kinloch, Missouri, rioted when a Negro policeman shot a Negro youth.

    True, and NPR brought it up again it in 2014, because Kinloch is not that far from Ferguson, MO.

  117. @kaganovitch
    @Pat Boyle

    But the cop’s behavior isn’t the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed.

    This is completely false. The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd's death.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @Chrisnonymous

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public. So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    • Agree: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Chrisnonymous

    One of the cell phone videos showed an ambulance arriving and George Floyd being moved to the sketcher.


    “The officers restrained the suspect on the ground and an ambulance was called,” Minneapolis Police said in a statement.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appears-show-george-floyd-ground-three-officers-n1217476
     
    So the police apparently took note of a medical emergency and notified professional medical personnel.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Chrisnonymous


    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public.
     
    Chauvin ended Floyd’s criminal career. That’s a legit public service.

    So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.
     
    It’s always ironic when wolves cry wolf.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Chrisnonymous

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    I'm not following, is your claim that a knee to the side of the neck causes heart failure? In all likelihood stressful situation caused heart attack and cops - mistakenly as it turns out - thought he's full of it, so they ignored him. fwiw James Speaks above claimed ,plausibly, that heart attack preceded neck hold.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  118. @Pat Boyle
    I read Banfield at the time and I agree his analysis was apt. But there is more.

    I think rioting is a natural consequence of urbanization. I don't call what is going on across the nation protesting because what is there to protest? The cop was a bad cop. I have seen a number of films (e.g. "Bad Lieutenant") about crooked or nasty out of control police. During the enforced house boundedness I read a book a day. Many of the best sellers I consume are crime books and a number of them are about bad cops. I don't have statistics but I would guess that there are more bad cops then there are serial killers - in real life and in fiction. The point is, this is not the first bad cop and will not be the last, as long as we have cops.

    But the cop's behavior isn't the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed. Punishment for bad cops is always too lenient because of the eighth amendment. Almost everyone in America probably agrees with me. But this guy has been arrested and is in custody. He will be punished - maybe not severely enough - but as much as modern society currently allows. What is there to protest?

    No, the phenomenon we are witnessing is rioting for fun and profit.

    America is modeled in many ways on the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers did this on purpose. The Roman republic was well known when they were creating our institutions. They all read Tacitus, Suetonius and Livy. They attended popular plays on Roman subjects the way we all watched cowboy TV show in the fifties. That's why our republic is structured so much like the Roman one. That's why the Federal Triangle looks like a conglomeration of Roman temples.

    But the Romans had an institution that we have ignored. They had the Saturnalia. Every year on schedule they released the pressure and reversed the oppression of their slave culture. The slaves were waited on by their masters. Authority was not enforced. It only lasted a day but it was intended as a kind of pressure release. It seems to have worked. The later Romans (who were in fact Greeks) were even more urbanized and had far worse riots than we are having now. Maybe Justinian and Belisarius should have had more pressure release mechanisms. We certainly need some.

    In the recent virus control crack down the oppression of the average citizen has reached unprecedented heights. The more stoic races like the East Asians probably have done less mischief than the majority European descended whites. But the blacks seemed to have endured the stress of the pandemic quite poorly. They have exploded into mindless violence. Violence that looks patterned - like a dance with characteristic steps and movements. I imagine the TV news channels will start stockpiling videos as "stock footage". This one looks like Ferguson or Baltimore. It's hard to take the nominal political cause of the rioting seriously when it looks so much like a periodic native folk expression. The pattern has emerged. It has been seen.

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the 'Shoot all looters' order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued. So the underlying problem will just be pushed aside and interested parties will draw their self serving lessons. We are likely to continue to hear more racism nonsense for quite some time, which means we are doomed to have more similar race riots for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    Minnesota abolished the death penalty in 1911. The most that Chauvin is facing is 25 years (but in effect it would be the death penalty because he would be murdered by the inmates in prison).

    Personally I favor the death penalty in cases of intentional murder, so I would be OK if Minnesota executed the (mostly black) criminals who have committed that act. However, this doesn’t include the cop. If he really intended to kill Floyd, he sure used a slow and less than sure fire method. The guy had a pistol right there on his belt – he could have just shot him and gotten it over with much more quickly and with a lot more certainty.

    Everyone is real excited now but I predict that in his trial there will be a hung jury and they will be unable to secure the conviction of Officer Chauvin. Or else he will be convicted of manslaughter at most.

    There was a Minneapolis cop who killed a woman with his gun for no good reason. But the cop was black and the woman was white so there was no Undocumented Shopping holiday declared. In fact some of the current demonstrators are calling for the cop to get out of jail. As far as I can tell, the request is for black people to be immune from arrest for any reason. That way EVERY day could be undocumented shopping day. If the police no longer arrested blacks then these unpleasant encounters between the police and blacks would not happen anymore. Blacks built America so everything in it should be free for the taking. Nothing less will satisfy them.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  119. @anonymous
    Went and took a look at what was going on Sat in downtown Chicago about 4pm. Mass of protesters were young and white, like around nineteen years old with a fairly even mix of males and females. Blacks were way underrepresented in view of the fact that Chicago is about a third black. Most of the blacks there seemed like the type who hang around with whitey rather than the ghetto saggy pants types. Left before the action intensified as I could feel the mood escalating. Can't tell who the later actual looters were although from television video it appears blacks took over that part. If so then they're really acting true to form. In previous riots blacks would trash the local area because they have to cart their newly acquired items home, which, being local, wasn't hard. In this case it's hard to understand how they thought they could get their looted stuff home from downtown Chicago since it's miles away from their home and they may have to avoid cordons of police in so doing. The logistics are bad for looters who travel to loot. The vandalism and wanton destruction probably was done by the white wannabe antifa mask wearers.

    Replies: @128, @Stan Adams

    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?

    Here in Miami, bus and train service have been suspended, and the expressways are full of protesters. We’re also under a countywide curfew.

    It is now 7 p.m. Eastern time. Literally seconds ago, Channel 10 in Miami showed a black guy shouting, “We tried it the white way, and now we gonna try it our way!” The station immediately cut back to the reporter. (I don’t have a DVR on that TV, so I’m not able to record anything.)

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Stan Adams


    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?
     
    As of 6:30 PM CST,, no.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @anonymous
    @Stan Adams

    They stopped public transport in Chicago at 6:30 pm Sunday. Downtown area has been closed, bridges to it raised and a 9pm curfew has been called. Mayor claims this may delay reopening since the rioters didn't practice social distancing and so may spread the virus further. Oh, and they called for a moment of silence for scumbag criminal George.

  120. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the ‘Shoot all looters’ order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued.
     
    No one in authority is going to give a shoot all looters order because they'd be criminally and civilly liable for it. Even if the order was given none of the underlings would carry it out because they know they'd be liable as well, and any promises of immunity would be blown away by a federal judge in Hawaii. It's 2020 as well, so there's no chance of anonymity... even residential construction sites in Bumfuck, GA have multiple security camera. Think Officer Krupke is going to shoot a looter in downtown LA? Or even swing a riot baton if he's trying to clear a street?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No one in authority is going to give a shoot all looters order because they’d be criminally and civilly liable for it. Even if the order was given none of the underlings would carry it out because they know they’d be liable as well, and any promises of immunity would be blown away by a federal judge in Hawaii. It’s 2020 as well, so there’s no chance of anonymity… even residential construction sites in Bumfuck, GA have multiple security camera. Think Officer Krupke is going to shoot a looter in downtown LA? Or even swing a riot baton if he’s trying to clear a street?

    This is the Left’s version of “setting us up for the good old crosswind slip to the snap roll crash”. Anarcho-tyranny leads to a populace which when faced with more leftish depredations or the brown battalions will prefer the brown battalions. That’s why the SA was popular despite it being obvious they were just a different batch of thugs than the ones the Left had. In fact some went back and forth. They were useful idiots.

    When the time was right a certain Leader, who though a military midwit was a genuine political genius, purged the SA, killing the worst of the worst and making ordinary citizens or members of the Heer or the Wehrmacht out of the ordinary thugs and taking the cream into the SS.

    When the winds shifted in Germany a lot of the Reds became the red and black. After the war particularly in the East, many went the other way. The Soviets were smart enough to let the Volksarmee be thoroughly German, so many Nazis preferred life in regimented East Germany so long as they got to swing the pimp hand.

    The Left never learns. Just doesn’t. Just can’t.

    Und so weiter …t’will be merely by the merest inch……

  121. Re: Steve’s Price of Lies tweet.

    How could this ever be addressed at a mass level in public? Better yet, who could take the risk? Tucker? Fox would probably panic and shut down his feed.

    Old, good Trump could do his classic Twitter move of overstating the facts of racial crime, forcing the NYT to take the bait and correct him. Thereby getting the truth out. “Actually, instead of 70%, blacks ONLY commit 50% of homicides.” (followed by 30 paragraphs of excuses, rationalizations, and purposeful obfuscation). But those days of Trump are over.

  122. @Anonymous
    According to law professor Jonathan Turley, this girl is looking at 25 years to life in a maximum security prison.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/21/29015624-8372437-Darian_Shader_is_pictured-a-2_1590871704306.jpg

    The Molotov sisters: US woman, 27, who 'threw a petrol bomb at police van with four NYPD cops inside' is charged with attempted murder and her sibling, 21, is arrested for BITING officers during violent George Floyd protests

    A woman from upstate New York who allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at an occupied police cruiser during protests in Brooklyn on Friday night has been charged with four counts of attempted murder.
    Samantha Shader, 27, is accused of throwing the petrol bomb at the NYPD vehicle - which had four officers inside - in Crown Heights shortly after 10.30pm.

    The lit bottle did not explode, and no officers were injured...

    Shader's younger sister, Darian, 21, tried to interfere and was also taken into custody. She was charged with resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372437/Two-sisters-face-attempted-murder-charges-throwing-Molotov-cocktail-NYPD-car.html
     

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @Moral Stone, @Sean, @Peterike, @danand, @bigdicknick

    She was an aspiring tiktok influencer who was just starting to get her life together and thinking about college!!!!!!!

  123. BLM chants “Hands up don’t shoot” as they burn down your business

    Where is the National Guard?

    Where is the Republican Party?

  124. Next-Gen Neocon

  125. SF just announced a general curfew for tonight. F****** unbelievable. My rights cancelled by a load of ethnic studies third-raters.

  126. During last nights local coverage of L.A., I noticed that the Adidas store was getting the lion’s share of looting attention. (I say this with all due respect to looted Gucci, no offense, Gucci). Nike, trying to help, just announced “Don’t just do it.” If Nike really wanted to help, they would quickly set-up well-stocked Nike stores in all the cities. to act as lures. By the way, “Don’t just do it” will have the reverse effect, just as Anti-drug messages increase, not decrease, teen drug use.

  127. Judging by available media Floyd was a likely steroid abuser. I doubt he was big on cardio, and the same media implies his circulatory health was not great.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if low grade steroids or a bad cycle damaged his heart to make it conk out.

  128. @Father Coughlin
    Just want to point out that in moral theology, property damage is normally worse than stealing.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Sure, if you destroy something you’ve deprived the owner of it without yourself benefiting from the use of it.

  129. @Stan Adams
    @anonymous

    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?

    Here in Miami, bus and train service have been suspended, and the expressways are full of protesters. We're also under a countywide curfew.

    It is now 7 p.m. Eastern time. Literally seconds ago, Channel 10 in Miami showed a black guy shouting, "We tried it the white way, and now we gonna try it our way!" The station immediately cut back to the reporter. (I don't have a DVR on that TV, so I'm not able to record anything.)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anonymous

    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?

    As of 6:30 PM CST,, no.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Hibernian

    They sent out a warning message to cell phones stating the CTA riders were SOL until 5:00AM CST.

  130. @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public. So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch

    One of the cell phone videos showed an ambulance arriving and George Floyd being moved to the sketcher.

    “The officers restrained the suspect on the ground and an ambulance was called,” Minneapolis Police said in a statement.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appears-show-george-floyd-ground-three-officers-n1217476

    So the police apparently took note of a medical emergency and notified professional medical personnel.

  131. @Hibernian
    @Stan Adams


    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?
     
    As of 6:30 PM CST,, no.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    They sent out a warning message to cell phones stating the CTA riders were SOL until 5:00AM CST.

  132. @theMann
    Goodness, what to do about the rioting?

    1. Go as per usual, chaotic encounters between Police and armed businessmen on one side, Looters and arsonists on the other, Federalized Forces, as usual, look on and do nothing. Constant escalation while the weather remains hot.

    2. Insert sniper teams into the affected areas. This doesn't need to be, and is better if not, an officially announced policy. Clean headshots at 600+ yards, selectively applied to instigators, people carrying arson devices/weapons, and obvious looters, will have a pronounced effect pretty quickly.

    3. Turn off the Utilities, especially water, but all utilities, to the affected areas. Let them stew in the heat for a couple of days, when they try to obtain water, hit them hard unless the agree to unconditional detention. Sweep through the emptied areas for weapons/looted items, then hang the people living at the addresses where they are found. Relatively clean and efficient way to stop things in their tracks. Assuming you follow through with the hangings.

    4. Continue to do nothing until this really does spill out into a full up Race War. Probably the most likely option tat this point, since Officials from the President on down are simply too weak, cowardly, and incompetent to do a damn thing anyway, and the Third Worlders occupying our Country know that.


    Shucks, I have been telling people for years that someday there would be fewer, but better, Whites in North America......... and no non-Whites. Now you know why.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    That’s all good, but I have to say, I salute you on your superb marksmanship talents if you regard clean, selective, headshots on moving targets at 600+ yard ranges as reliably achievable. I couldn’t do that at 1/4th that range if my life depended on it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alfa158

    Professional fire teams with the correct equipment-the .416 Barrett fired from a bipod-can do it, but there will be collateral damage from bullets missing or from bullets going through the intended target and through walls or cars.

  133. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    @anonymous

    Is mass transit still operating in Chicago?

    Here in Miami, bus and train service have been suspended, and the expressways are full of protesters. We're also under a countywide curfew.

    It is now 7 p.m. Eastern time. Literally seconds ago, Channel 10 in Miami showed a black guy shouting, "We tried it the white way, and now we gonna try it our way!" The station immediately cut back to the reporter. (I don't have a DVR on that TV, so I'm not able to record anything.)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anonymous

    They stopped public transport in Chicago at 6:30 pm Sunday. Downtown area has been closed, bridges to it raised and a 9pm curfew has been called. Mayor claims this may delay reopening since the rioters didn’t practice social distancing and so may spread the virus further. Oh, and they called for a moment of silence for scumbag criminal George.

  134. @Jimmy1969
    Read the book in University, which was offered as a counterweight to all of the then left propaganda we were reading. I remember the second version better: titled revisited, I think. One interesting fact that is not mentioned in this article is what Banfield said about punishing rioters. He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    That’s a standard theory of psychology: punish immediately or don’t punish at all, not anything unique to Banfield. It goes for children, dogs, employees, and criminals.

    Behavior must be linked to consequences, swiftly and consistently.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Jane Plain


    ...punish immediately or don’t punish at all...
     
    Especially when dealing with people with a high rate of time preference -- delayed punishment carries little sting, just as delayed rewards create little incentive.
    , @Ray P
    @Jane Plain

    On this principle, one shouldn't prosecute persons for twenty-year-old murders or rapes, or ninety-plus former concentration camp accountants even if they ate babies.

  135. @Pat Boyle
    I read Banfield at the time and I agree his analysis was apt. But there is more.

    I think rioting is a natural consequence of urbanization. I don't call what is going on across the nation protesting because what is there to protest? The cop was a bad cop. I have seen a number of films (e.g. "Bad Lieutenant") about crooked or nasty out of control police. During the enforced house boundedness I read a book a day. Many of the best sellers I consume are crime books and a number of them are about bad cops. I don't have statistics but I would guess that there are more bad cops then there are serial killers - in real life and in fiction. The point is, this is not the first bad cop and will not be the last, as long as we have cops.

    But the cop's behavior isn't the issue. He murdered a suspect under the cloak of authority. I think he should be executed. Punishment for bad cops is always too lenient because of the eighth amendment. Almost everyone in America probably agrees with me. But this guy has been arrested and is in custody. He will be punished - maybe not severely enough - but as much as modern society currently allows. What is there to protest?

    No, the phenomenon we are witnessing is rioting for fun and profit.

    America is modeled in many ways on the Roman Republic. The Founding Fathers did this on purpose. The Roman republic was well known when they were creating our institutions. They all read Tacitus, Suetonius and Livy. They attended popular plays on Roman subjects the way we all watched cowboy TV show in the fifties. That's why our republic is structured so much like the Roman one. That's why the Federal Triangle looks like a conglomeration of Roman temples.

    But the Romans had an institution that we have ignored. They had the Saturnalia. Every year on schedule they released the pressure and reversed the oppression of their slave culture. The slaves were waited on by their masters. Authority was not enforced. It only lasted a day but it was intended as a kind of pressure release. It seems to have worked. The later Romans (who were in fact Greeks) were even more urbanized and had far worse riots than we are having now. Maybe Justinian and Belisarius should have had more pressure release mechanisms. We certainly need some.

    In the recent virus control crack down the oppression of the average citizen has reached unprecedented heights. The more stoic races like the East Asians probably have done less mischief than the majority European descended whites. But the blacks seemed to have endured the stress of the pandemic quite poorly. They have exploded into mindless violence. Violence that looks patterned - like a dance with characteristic steps and movements. I imagine the TV news channels will start stockpiling videos as "stock footage". This one looks like Ferguson or Baltimore. It's hard to take the nominal political cause of the rioting seriously when it looks so much like a periodic native folk expression. The pattern has emerged. It has been seen.

    The solution is simple. Oppression. The rioting will stop very quickly if the 'Shoot all looters' order is issued. Of course no one wants to do that and that order will likely never be issued. So the underlying problem will just be pushed aside and interested parties will draw their self serving lessons. We are likely to continue to hear more racism nonsense for quite some time, which means we are doomed to have more similar race riots for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Jane Plain

    The Romans also freed slaves routinely, and after a generation or two, the stigma of slavery faded, and their descendants were just Romans.

  136. @Pat Boyle
    @kaganovitch

    You have a minority view on this issue. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong but it sure looks like the cop had bad intentions.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Or maybe he didn’t have bad intentions but holding a knee on someone’s neck for 9 minutes will cause the prostrate person to expire.

    I was curious so I tried it on my husband yesterday. He’s been sleeping ever since. I just can’t get him to wake up.

  137. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    @theMann

    That’s all good, but I have to say, I salute you on your superb marksmanship talents if you regard clean, selective, headshots on moving targets at 600+ yard ranges as reliably achievable. I couldn’t do that at 1/4th that range if my life depended on it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Professional fire teams with the correct equipment-the .416 Barrett fired from a bipod-can do it, but there will be collateral damage from bullets missing or from bullets going through the intended target and through walls or cars.

  138. @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public. So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public.

    Chauvin ended Floyd’s criminal career. That’s a legit public service.

    So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    It’s always ironic when wolves cry wolf.

  139. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com

    Can this really be for real?

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @kaganovitch

    “Can this really be for real?”

    Oh, it’s real.

    It’s a genuine honeypot.

  140. @Hibernian
    @Ganderson

    How extensive were they?

    Replies: @Ganderson

    About a week’s worth, and the National Guard Was deployed. I was in 8th grade so my memory is hazy. I don’t recall them spilling into other parts of the cities- we were safe over in St. Paul, we thought at least. The population of MPLS and St Paul was slightly larger, but the black population was way smaller.

  141. Early on, when they concentrated on stuff like crime & punishment, the neocons did some good work.

  142. @Nathan
    I don't have much hope that the organizational forces behind these riots will ever be exposed or held accountable. There ARE organizational forces behind these riots. Look at the celebrity involvement. Actors setting up bail funds, b-list celebrities showing up to "hometowns" that they haven't seen in years. Nobody notices and I feel like nobody would care if they did.

    It's also tempting to blame "neoconservatives" for all of today's political problems, but it makes no sense. Riots are back after an 8+ year long resurgence of liberal social policy, not after the peak of Bill Bratton style broken windows policing.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    It’s also tempting to blame “neoconservatives” for all of today’s political problems, but it makes no sense.

    The thing that is 95% to blame for the current situation is the never-ending drone of fake news about how blacks are supposedly being hunted in the streets by police, white supremacists, and “Karens.” The most cursory look at actual statistics shows it’s a myth.

    But the statistics aren’t reported. And no black-on-white crime is ever reported in the MSM. So blacks, leftists, and low-information normies can only assume that blacks are innocent victims of “racist America.” That manufactured delusion is the powder keg that is being ignited.

    Even on Fox they just had some guy droning on about he just “knows” that if he, as a white man, had been arrested for passing a counterfeit bill he would still be alive. (It’s unclear in his Trading Places hypothetical if he, as a white man, would also be 6’6, drugged to the gills, and resisting arrest). How does he “know” this? It’s just obvious. I mean, everyone knows America is totally racist, so it must be. Everyone wouldn’t say it all the time if it weren’t true. Right?

    And this was Fox!

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Hypnotoad666

    Right. And showing the clip of the last minutes of that man's life over and over and over was a crime of inciting to riot.

  143. @Jonathan Mason
    Interesting analysis.

    Riots have been around for a long time, ever since the riots at the cremation of Julius Caesar, when the bonfires got way out of control. The conspirators believed that the murder of a tyrant in full view of the Senate would not be seen as a political plot, but as a noble act, done on behalf of their country, a view that would probably trigger riots today in the US.

    There are many different types of riots, for example food riots (for example the New York Flour Riot of 1837), race riots, sports riots, taxation riots, peasant riots, riots leading to revolutions (for example in France at the demise of the ancien regime), riots related to strikes, riots related to (perceived as unfair) court verdicts, prison riots, urban riots, and so on.

    Many race riots occurred in the summer of 1967, (also known as the Summer of Love) in 159 cities in the US.

    The most important component of a riot is the existence of a Mob. While riotous behavior is likely to get you arrested, the more people who participate in mob violence, the smaller the chance of each individual being arrested, so there is safety in numbers.

    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal, the family demanded that the police apologize and then kept escalating their demands until rioting broke out, with fires and lots of looting completely unrelated to the original complaint, and the rioting then spread to other cities where mobs did not want to be left out of the action.

    Underlying a lot of the current rioting, I think, is a perception among many people in poor communities in the US (and other countries) that the police are not their friend and that they act with impunity like an army of occupation. But once the protests start, even if somewhat legitimate at the outset, the criminal gangs that infest these neighborhoods quickly emerge from the woodwork to take advantage of the breakdown in law and order and win a certain amount of sympathy from the captive population, many of whom are their extended family members.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Inquiring Mind, @Reg Cæsar

    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal…

    With what? Bobbies on bicycles two by two?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shot him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  144. @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    It's not going through here but photo montages are being prepared and propagated: police kneeing necks in France, Israel, Czechia, Mexico, Italy, etc.: apparently this is a widely used standard procedure which rarely causes permanent damage let alone death.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    Please post that up somewhere… that would be interesting to see.

    I Googled it but of course Google be like “Hardy har har … we aint showin u that”.

  145. @Jane Plain
    @Jimmy1969

    He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    That's a standard theory of psychology: punish immediately or don't punish at all, not anything unique to Banfield. It goes for children, dogs, employees, and criminals.

    Behavior must be linked to consequences, swiftly and consistently.

    Replies: @Cato, @Ray P

    …punish immediately or don’t punish at all…

    Especially when dealing with people with a high rate of time preference — delayed punishment carries little sting, just as delayed rewards create little incentive.

  146. @James Speaks
    @kaganovitch


    The knee to the side of the neck is a leverage hold, approved by the Minn.PD. In all likelihood it had no bearing on Floyd’s death.
     
    True, it is approved by the Minnesota police handbook, but it shouldn’t be as suspects should not be left in the prone position. I suspect the handbook will be updated.

    The real issue is that Floyd suffered heart failure. If you watch the part of the video where he falls to the ground, it looks like his knees buckled. I think the issue here is depraved indifference. He needed medical attention ASAP and they waited until he had died. All four officers present were fired.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    The real issue is that Floyd suffered heart failure. If you watch the part of the video where he falls to the ground, it looks like his knees buckled. I think the issue here is depraved indifference. He needed medical attention ASAP and they waited until he had died. All four officers present were fired.

    It seems likely that they didn’t know he had a heart attack, no? In any case,even depraved indifference is not worthy of their execution as P. Boyle was calling for.

  147. @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    Anyway, I expect cops to assist the public. So this cop at least ignored the pleas for help of someone having a heart attack.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @kaganovitch

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    I’m not following, is your claim that a knee to the side of the neck causes heart failure? In all likelihood stressful situation caused heart attack and cops – mistakenly as it turns out – thought he’s full of it, so they ignored him. fwiw James Speaks above claimed ,plausibly, that heart attack preceded neck hold.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    Perhaps he was having a heart attack from stress. If so, the heart attack couldn't have been helped by a stress-increasing restraint method. I'm saying that when an arrestee doesn't need to be restrained in that way and is complaining that he can't breathe and asking to stand, the police should let him stand. If they had done that, they might have noted other signs of distress and applied CPR or defibrillation. They did call an "EMS code 3", which is an emergency, but it's hard to understand why they had to keep kneeling on him after he passed out.

    Fundamentally, the state's interest in having an extremely non-complex arrest in a case like this, a possible counterfit bill, does not outweigh an arrestee's right to protection during the arrest procedure.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  148. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com

    Can this really be for real?

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @kaganovitch

    bestcounterfeitbills.com
    Can this really be for real?

    I too was skeptical, but I asked a Nigerian prince I know and he told me it’s completely legit.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @kaganovitch

    There's no shortage of suckers, and criminals tend to be the most credulous of people. I remember from Capote's In Cold Blood that Smith and Hickock were buying maps by mail order that claimed to show the location of buried treasure. People advertise contract killing services on Dark Web sites. Not alone do people pay money to have someone rubbed out, but they then get traced and convicted of solicitation to murder.

  149. @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    bestcounterfeitbills.com
    Can this really be for real?


    I too was skeptical, but I asked a Nigerian prince I know and he told me it's completely legit.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    There’s no shortage of suckers, and criminals tend to be the most credulous of people. I remember from Capote’s In Cold Blood that Smith and Hickock were buying maps by mail order that claimed to show the location of buried treasure. People advertise contract killing services on Dark Web sites. Not alone do people pay money to have someone rubbed out, but they then get traced and convicted of solicitation to murder.

  150. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    The current wave of rioting is similar to the London riots of 2011 in that it all started with police killing a petty criminal...
     
    With what? Bobbies on bicycles two by two?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    No, they shot him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    No, they shot him.
     
    With a peashooter? The bow and arrows Englishmen were required to keep handy until 1960?

    Doesn't seem cricket of them.
  151. anon[545] • Disclaimer says:

    Boredom. Animal spirits. Thank god for Banfield. No need to overthink it.

    The kids got their staycation. Enough was enough. So there is something for everyone under 30 in early summer civil disorder. Rampage, because they are always popular. Looting or pillaging – motivations speak for themselves. Crowds.

    Much better to refuse to engage on the triggering incident. Since it had so little to do with the riots.

    Trump was out in front on this with the Michigan pickets, but got one upped with the riots. I can’t think of any great way to seize momentum on this one. Except for the fact that riots are much less fun for everyone else.

  152. anonymous[635] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland
    @Anon

    With the Feds ability to monitor communications it would be very easy to infiltrate Antifa and find out all the players, especially if Trump designates them a terrorist organization. Furthermore, if someone (((Soros))) was funding any of this, it would be easy to link and hold them accountable. This would include any material support, and if it was given by foreign powers like the Chinese they could be held for treason. You cannot sue a 19 year old and get any money but if it turns out they were funded by (((rich old))) supporters you could take them down for every penny they are worth.
    It also strikes me as odd that we have not done the same thing with illegal immigration. If someone is hurt by an illegal alien the people and organization (s) that helped them get here should be just as liable.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Roosevelt Institute is a Soros operation.

  153. @Inquiring Mind
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is also this thing about "respect" (honor), that apparently made its way from a portion of England to the American South and now is the cornerstone of underclass black culture.

    The big thing in the news -- the brother of the late George Floyd received a call, presumably a condolence, from President Trump, and he is all over the media complaining that Mr. Trump didn't let him get a word in.

    I wasn't there, and I did not see the transcript of this particular presidential phone call, but the president telephoned and he didn't quite do it right, so now the brother has been "disrespected."

    Didn't the same thing take place about an American Special Forces soldier, a black man, who died in combat in an ambush carried out against our soldiers in Niger? President Trump made the condolence call to the parents, I guess, and that Florida Congresswoman who wears that stupid "cowboy" hat was listening in? And guess, what, President Trump said the "wrong thing." We saw an awful lot of that silly member of Congress in that stupid had for a very, very long time afterward.

    The there was that Cindy Sheehan lady, white, yes, but her son died in combat in Iraq, and the condolence call from President Bush "disrespected her."

    The "beefs" that lead to black-on-black killing in our cities has to do with respect or being disrespected?

    Replies: @Ray P

    Yes, it’s all the fault of those cavaliers who fought for Charles Stuart in the civil war – they brought their violent, haughty manners over to the colonies. The Royalists did fire a few cities in England after all. I saw a sign held up by an sjw woman at the London protest supporting the blacks in USA which read ‘American racism was caused by British colonialism’.

  154. @Hypnotoad666
    @Nathan


    It’s also tempting to blame “neoconservatives” for all of today’s political problems, but it makes no sense.
     
    The thing that is 95% to blame for the current situation is the never-ending drone of fake news about how blacks are supposedly being hunted in the streets by police, white supremacists, and "Karens." The most cursory look at actual statistics shows it's a myth.

    But the statistics aren't reported. And no black-on-white crime is ever reported in the MSM. So blacks, leftists, and low-information normies can only assume that blacks are innocent victims of "racist America." That manufactured delusion is the powder keg that is being ignited.

    Even on Fox they just had some guy droning on about he just "knows" that if he, as a white man, had been arrested for passing a counterfeit bill he would still be alive. (It's unclear in his Trading Places hypothetical if he, as a white man, would also be 6'6, drugged to the gills, and resisting arrest). How does he "know" this? It's just obvious. I mean, everyone knows America is totally racist, so it must be. Everyone wouldn't say it all the time if it weren't true. Right?

    And this was Fox!

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    Right. And showing the clip of the last minutes of that man’s life over and over and over was a crime of inciting to riot.

  155. @Jane Plain
    @Jimmy1969

    He strongly believed that the punishment had to be immediate or as soon as possible. He believed that long judicial delays were useless and had little deterrent affect on criminals.

    That's a standard theory of psychology: punish immediately or don't punish at all, not anything unique to Banfield. It goes for children, dogs, employees, and criminals.

    Behavior must be linked to consequences, swiftly and consistently.

    Replies: @Cato, @Ray P

    On this principle, one shouldn’t prosecute persons for twenty-year-old murders or rapes, or ninety-plus former concentration camp accountants even if they ate babies.

  156. @Black-hole creator
    I was probably wrong when I dismissed these riots as business as usual. It seems the zeitgeist changed so much that now everybody has to grovel to the roving gangs of malcontents. Check out this story of a Fedex driver narrowly escaping the lynch mob. The Fedex promptly issued a statement pretty much apologizing for the driver's behavior.
    https://www.kmov.com/news/george-floyd-protests-st-louis-man-killed-fedex-truck/article_f8a89482-a259-11ea-84b8-a374c58a7d47.html

    Or this hilarity at Caltech. I guess they worry that their 2,5 token black guys will organize a riot and loot their synchrotron.
    https://www.caltech.edu/campus-life-events/campus-announcements/responding-death-george-floyd

    What is the end game for the protesters ? They seem to have no clear economic or political demands, not yet at least.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @botazefa

    . Or this hilarity at Caltech. I guess they worry that their 2,5 token black guys will organize a riot and loot their synchrotron.

    What’s your interest? You’re not American are you?

  157. @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shot him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shot him.

    With a peashooter? The bow and arrows Englishmen were required to keep handy until 1960?

    Doesn’t seem cricket of them.

  158. @J.Ross
    They got a synagogue. This rightist blogger blames Islamists and Nazis, neither of which claim is at all merited in my view, but at least one of which bad guy is allowed to be discussed and even federally investigated. The real torchers of this synagogue were [email protected]%#&^#s who had given themselves over to destruction, burglary, and battery, and who were not restrained by police. As with the bookstores, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if the arsonists were tracked down and established to not have a terribly clear idea of what it was they had destroyed.
    They got a synagogue. Good thing the SPLC's man at the FBI, Christopher Wray, is still looking for the Phantom Nazis.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/la-rioters-set-synagogue-fire-vandalizing-earlier-day-evidence-islamists-domestic-terrorists-behind-us-riots/

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this (and boom goes the dynamite):
    https://postimg.cc/wRBzT0pM

  159. @bigdicknick
    "a doctrine that is still with us today, as people are killed for walking down the street in Ferguson"

    How can they lie in such an extreme way. What is going on inside their brains? seriously. it's like they don't even try to engage with reality in an honest way.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    It’s all about loyalty and enmity. And their loyalty is to evil. Facts play no role whatsoever.

  160. @kaganovitch
    @Chrisnonymous

    I see. The guy had a heart attack and, by chance, the cop was restraining him at just that moment. What a coincky-dink! Amazing!

    I'm not following, is your claim that a knee to the side of the neck causes heart failure? In all likelihood stressful situation caused heart attack and cops - mistakenly as it turns out - thought he's full of it, so they ignored him. fwiw James Speaks above claimed ,plausibly, that heart attack preceded neck hold.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Perhaps he was having a heart attack from stress. If so, the heart attack couldn’t have been helped by a stress-increasing restraint method. I’m saying that when an arrestee doesn’t need to be restrained in that way and is complaining that he can’t breathe and asking to stand, the police should let him stand. If they had done that, they might have noted other signs of distress and applied CPR or defibrillation. They did call an “EMS code 3”, which is an emergency, but it’s hard to understand why they had to keep kneeling on him after he passed out.

    Fundamentally, the state’s interest in having an extremely non-complex arrest in a case like this, a possible counterfit bill, does not outweigh an arrestee’s right to protection during the arrest procedure.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Chrisnonymous

    I don't disagree , I was speaking to Pat's contention that this was murder, and Chauvin should be executed.

  161. @Chrisnonymous
    @kaganovitch

    Perhaps he was having a heart attack from stress. If so, the heart attack couldn't have been helped by a stress-increasing restraint method. I'm saying that when an arrestee doesn't need to be restrained in that way and is complaining that he can't breathe and asking to stand, the police should let him stand. If they had done that, they might have noted other signs of distress and applied CPR or defibrillation. They did call an "EMS code 3", which is an emergency, but it's hard to understand why they had to keep kneeling on him after he passed out.

    Fundamentally, the state's interest in having an extremely non-complex arrest in a case like this, a possible counterfit bill, does not outweigh an arrestee's right to protection during the arrest procedure.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    I don’t disagree , I was speaking to Pat’s contention that this was murder, and Chauvin should be executed.

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