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I never noticed before how much Lin-Manuel “Hamilton” Miranda looks like Edward Norton.

 
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  1. Aren’t boricua part black?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross


    Aren’t boricua part black?
     
    Pretty much all of them are at least a small part black. But they've been running from being "black" for a few centuries.

    Switching may not come easy psychologically for some ... but given the minoritarian climate in the US i'm sure plenty of them will take the (paperwork) plunge where profitable.


    But this insanity will pass with changing demographics. Long term being "Hispanic" seems like a better--saner, healthier--bet.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @RadicalCenter

    , @Ray Caruso
    @J.Ross

    Like other Latin Americans, they're not homogeneous. A few, maybe five percent, are full-blooded White, with the percentage being higher among the better-off classes. A similar percentage are dark enough to be called black. All the others are mixed, having various proportions of White, black, and Arawak/Carib Indian blood.

    , @Swamp Fox
    @J.Ross

    Yes but they can swim.

  2. Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We’re almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Batman


    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We’re almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.
     
    Herd immunity!
    , @Anon
    @Batman

    Well said.

    , @vhrm
    @Batman


    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We’re almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.
     
    I hope that's the case, but there's that whole "the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" aspect of this. To mix metaphors, let's hope we can pull up before we experience CFIT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain)

    In the spirit of backlash or the pendulum swinging or light at the end of the tunnel, there's a story going around about a North Korean defector who eventually ended up at Columbia saying the brainwashing here is as bad as there.

    A woman who fled North Korea when she was a teenager and is now attending Columbia University said she is seeing a lot of similarities between the totalitarian regime she grew up in and the education she is now receiving in the United States.

    Yeonmi Park and her mother fled North Korea to China over the frozen Yalu River in 2007, when she was just 13
    ... to eventually find refuge in South Korea, where Park, now 27, attended college before transferring to Columbia in 2016.
    ...

    She explained that when she started school at Columbia, she was excited to learn more about history, a subject she said was discouraged in her homeland.

    But when her teacher, discussing Western Civilization, asked if students had an issue with the name of the class topic, most did, saying there was a 'colonial' slant.

    'Every problem, they explained us, is because of white men,' she said, reminding her of her home country where people were categorized based on their ancestors, according to the Post.

    During her orientation, a professor asked who the class who liked classical books, like Jane Austen.

    'I said, 'I love those books,' Park said in an interview with FOX News. 'I thought it was a good thing.'

    'Then she said, 'Did you know those writers had a colonial mindset? They were racists and bigots and are subconsciously brainwashing you.'

    From there, she said, her classes were filled with 'anti-American sentiment, reminding her of her childhood in North Korea, where students were constantly taught about the 'American bastard,' which was the only way they were allowed to refer to Americans.

    'The math problems would say: 'There are four American bastards, you kill two of them, how many American bastards are left to kill?,'' Park recounted, saying 7-year-olds in North Korea would have to respond with 'two American bastards' to that question.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9686415/Columbia-student-escaped-North-Korea-says-sees-similarities-US.html
     

    This woman is an activist herself so there may be a bit of playing things up for her audience, but maybe it will break through to some. That thing about the math problems i'm sure will ring true for some here.
  3. The Ivy League “WASPs” surrendered the country to a fine group of people.

    Old New England stock was good at two things: making shekels and murdering White people.

    But they were surrender monkeys when it comes to the most hateful Ashkenazis around.

    Here we see a fine WASP of New England stock showing off the latest in hauteur style.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
  4. Have we ever seen them both in the same place?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    Have we ever seen them both in the same place?
     
    They're both straight.
  5. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Anonymous

    That was pitiful. Was he really out of gas or just too lazy to keep running?
    On the early COPS shows there would be these occasional foot chases in which a young Black suspect built like a cornerback would bolt off into the night running like a gazelle. The doughy looking White cops would go lumbering after them with the 20 pounds of equipment jingling on their belts. You would think the suspect would be long gone, but there would be a jump in the camera footage and here the cops would be, trudging back with the hand-cuffed suspect. I used to think that had to be staged.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Anonymous

    Someone once asked Usain Bolt how quickly he could run a mile. He responded that he didn't know as he had never run that far all at once.

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Reno 911

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    To me the more interesting aspect is the girls.

    About 18s in the girl says:
    "He's gonna to run up on the highway and cause an accident." (Possible.)

    then after a few seconds pause:
    "like someone needs ta ..."

    but she just tails off, perhaps slowly realizing that this amorphous "someone should do something" someone that women conjure up when the world isn't right but they want/need a man to do something about it ... is in fact the cops.

    But of course if the cops do their job and in the process the scumbag gets hurt, then well have some white women tweet out video of how the cops didn't do it right and little blackie got hurt.

    , @mmack
    @Anonymous

    Pro tip: If you make Officer 👮🏻‍♂️ Friendly run after you, you're gonna get an ass kicking when he catches you.

    (Cf Chris Rock)

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Anonymous

    Cops shouldn't try to outjog joggers, the ultimate message of "Training Day".

  6. For those who don’t know, the musical ‘In The Heights’ is based on a fictional rounding up of all the ‘DREAMERs’ and sending them back home. It is designed to be background music for more agitation for Biden’s ‘immigration reform’.

    Hamilton is already passé and will be replaced by the ‘Juneteenth’ musical which will dispense with the stepping stone of white American history in blackface to just be African-American history. Will it be as popular with mid-West moms? Probably not, but it will certainly get 20 times the media promotion despite making 1/10 of the money Hamilton did.

    The Juneteenth musical will be the video that every student in America will see several times and most likely every other time they are supervised when their teacher is absent.

    To give an idea of what it might look like, there was a kind of back-door pilot of it on Black-ish and a lot of the same people will be involved in making it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Altai

    "For those who don’t know, the musical ‘In The Heights’ is based on a fictional rounding up of all the ‘DREAMERs’ and sending them back home."

    Do you have any specific proof of this or is this just speculation based off the general way society is heading? Because I found nothing about how it's based on a fictional rounding up of DREAMERS and deporting them back home, either in the original 2005 In The Heights musical or the accompanying book, or the upcoming 2021 film based on the 2005 musical.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai

    "We built this"? LOL.

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America's first "atomic bomb".

    That one i'd watch. I'd buy a couple tickets and invite JackD.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @V. Hickel
    @Altai

    back door pilot how very apt...

  7. Who is an example of an Afro-Latino actor that the average member of the public would recognize? How does this “community” work in New York City? Do people who look like Miranda consider people who look like Yasiel Puig their co-ethnics and part of the same group? My understanding of these subcultures is that they don’t have that much in common. It seems likely this is a case of a racial issue solely created about Twitter users who are professional race agitators.

  8. Soledad O’Brien self-identifies as an Afro-Cuban and Lin-Manuel Miranda probably has similar Black ancestry as does most of the actors in his new film. They should just identify as Afro-Latino like Soledad O’Brien to get more Pokemon points.

    TV News Anchor Soledad O’Brien on Growing up Afro Cuban

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    , @AnotherDad
    @Travis

    Soledad's grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the "black box" ... and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (Ok, in fairness i've basically never listen to her for more than maybe a minute, but that's my perception. Correct if i'm wrong.)

    I get that people need to use the gifts God has given them--intelligence, inter-personal skills, athletic ability, mechanical sense, conscientiousness, etc.--to make a living. But it still strikes me as a sleazy grift.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Danindc, @ic1000

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Travis

    Miranda should have cast Soledad as his token Afro-Cuban.

  9. @Travis
    Soledad O'Brien self-identifies as an Afro-Cuban and Lin-Manuel Miranda probably has similar Black ancestry as does most of the actors in his new film. They should just identify as Afro-Latino like Soledad O'Brien to get more Pokemon points.

    https://youtu.be/-qqypWkmkD8
    TV News Anchor Soledad O'Brien on Growing up Afro Cuban

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Steve Sailer

    He could still self-identify as Afro-Latin since he has a Black ancestors. All Puerto Rican people are over 10% Black, most are 25% Black.

    Most of the cast of his new film are blacker than the Afro-Cuban Soledad O’Brien. Maybe some of them do identify as Afro-Cuban.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.
     
    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    , @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    It would be fun if one of the legion of ethics-deficient IRS employees leaked the income tax returns of Luis A. Miranda Jr. That would add an extra element of poignancy to the scrappy story of Lin-Manuel's rise from his humbly impoverished childhood roots.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Steve Sailer


    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.
     
    Ah yes -- who could forget when he sang that traditional Puerto Rican song to his bride at his wedding?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgZ4ZTTfKO8

    And he's been fascinated by... Puerto Rican literature since he was a child:

    In the meantime he is teaming up with Quiara Alegría Hudes, the “In the Heights” book writer, on a musical adaptation of Chaim Potok’s 1972 novel “My Name Is Asher Lev,” about a young Hasidic Jew in New York City who dreams of life as an artist.“It was my favorite book growing up,” Mr. Miranda said.

    And he always hung out with other Puerto Ricans, ever since he was a child:
    That Miranda hits the hard “chet” in “l’chaim” just right may be because in elementary school, as he told The New Yorker, “all my friends were Jewish,” and he was also no stranger to singing and dancing at over-the-top Jewish events. As he told The New York Times Vows column, he met his wife — an MIT-trained scientist who is also an attorney — before his first Broadway bonanza, and he was paying the rent by performing at bar mitzvahs."

    And Miranda is the proud owner of an honorary doctorate from the "University of Puerto Rico", which he describes as a "radiating force that is shaping our world" -- he means the world of Puerto Ricans, of course...

    Could be just an odd series of coincidences, I guess. Let's see...

    http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/miranda/162/

    Huh.

    Say, I don't suppose Hamilt...

    http://blogs.yu.edu/news/a-jewish-founding-father/
    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Steve Sailer

    Of course, he comes from a leading family, everyone in media, arts, politics, finance, et al, that is promoted, is descended from a few ultra wealthy, ruling, multi-generational, interrelated families.

  10. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    The immigrants vs. “descendants of American slaves” thing was just heating up, and now we have the lighties vs. the darkies. What’s next? Hair gatekeeping? Ass size quotas?

    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background. The film’s sole Black lead is portrayed by Corey Hawkins, though his character Benny is not identified as having Caribbean roots.

    Jay-Ann Lopez, founder of Black Girl Gamers, tweeted that she was tired of movies “using dark skinned afro-latinos for the backdrop.”

    Any one of those characters could have been dark skinned afro-latinos and there are plenty of qualified actors that exist especially from NY,” she wrote, tagging the film’s account. “The question for me is why are NONE of the major roles played by dark skinned afro-latinos? Like in my mind it’s completely possible.”

    I think the main lesson from stuff like this is that, when anyone in the entire world can make cracks at you in real time, it doesn’t mean you have to respond. Just ignore it. Get off social media if you need to.

    • Replies: @Technite78
    @Anon


    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background.
     
    Did the original text actually use the word "regulating" instead of "relegating"?

    LOL

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @donut
    @Anon

    Ass size quotas? We have a winner :

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hvnk_gA5m20/Vdl2ywU2CEI/AAAAAAAABU4/-3nKU6G0vFo/s1600/kxgxmsnoagbtyakigosm.jpg

  11. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    For those who don't know, the musical 'In The Heights' is based on a fictional rounding up of all the 'DREAMERs' and sending them back home. It is designed to be background music for more agitation for Biden's 'immigration reform'.

    Hamilton is already passé and will be replaced by the 'Juneteenth' musical which will dispense with the stepping stone of white American history in blackface to just be African-American history. Will it be as popular with mid-West moms? Probably not, but it will certainly get 20 times the media promotion despite making 1/10 of the money Hamilton did.

    The Juneteenth musical will be the video that every student in America will see several times and most likely every other time they are supervised when their teacher is absent.

    To give an idea of what it might look like, there was a kind of back-door pilot of it on Black-ish and a lot of the same people will be involved in making it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzaUTbnh_CQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t06_9KI5hlE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwd_J4NTDc4

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    “For those who don’t know, the musical ‘In The Heights’ is based on a fictional rounding up of all the ‘DREAMERs’ and sending them back home.”

    Do you have any specific proof of this or is this just speculation based off the general way society is heading? Because I found nothing about how it’s based on a fictional rounding up of DREAMERS and deporting them back home, either in the original 2005 In The Heights musical or the accompanying book, or the upcoming 2021 film based on the 2005 musical.

  12. @Altai
    For those who don't know, the musical 'In The Heights' is based on a fictional rounding up of all the 'DREAMERs' and sending them back home. It is designed to be background music for more agitation for Biden's 'immigration reform'.

    Hamilton is already passé and will be replaced by the 'Juneteenth' musical which will dispense with the stepping stone of white American history in blackface to just be African-American history. Will it be as popular with mid-West moms? Probably not, but it will certainly get 20 times the media promotion despite making 1/10 of the money Hamilton did.

    The Juneteenth musical will be the video that every student in America will see several times and most likely every other time they are supervised when their teacher is absent.

    To give an idea of what it might look like, there was a kind of back-door pilot of it on Black-ish and a lot of the same people will be involved in making it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzaUTbnh_CQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t06_9KI5hlE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwd_J4NTDc4

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    “We built this”? LOL.

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America’s first “atomic bomb”.

    That one i’d watch. I’d buy a couple tickets and invite JackD.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America’s first “atomic bomb”

    I ,for one, can hardly wait to see Morgan Freeman in an Albert Einstein fright wig , headlining "Keepin' it Real: the South Bronx Project".

    Replies: @black sea

  13. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    I guess this is what happens when a Latinx celebration movie is directed by a Crazy Rich Asian.

    It does beg the question of why a Latinx wasn’t allowed to direct the movie. Was Robert Rodriguez too busy? Was Jimmy Smits unavailable? Did the producers not trust a movie with that high a budget to be handed to an unreliable Latinx creative?

    Maybe director and goofy people-pleaser Jon M. Chu is just a unique Asian who has his finger on the pulse of Washington Heights, where most Asians would refuse to travel. Perhaps he’s an oriental “Dominican Whisperer.”

    Sooo many shitty questions. Such shitty opening box office numbers. Sooo much blame to go around.

  14. @Travis
    Soledad O'Brien self-identifies as an Afro-Cuban and Lin-Manuel Miranda probably has similar Black ancestry as does most of the actors in his new film. They should just identify as Afro-Latino like Soledad O'Brien to get more Pokemon points.

    https://youtu.be/-qqypWkmkD8
    TV News Anchor Soledad O'Brien on Growing up Afro Cuban

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Soledad’s grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the “black box” … and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (Ok, in fairness i’ve basically never listen to her for more than maybe a minute, but that’s my perception. Correct if i’m wrong.)

    I get that people need to use the gifts God has given them–intelligence, inter-personal skills, athletic ability, mechanical sense, conscientiousness, etc.–to make a living. But it still strikes me as a sleazy grift.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    Soledad’s grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the “black box” … and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance.

    I didn't realize she's a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn't? Then why did you use her first name?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Danindc
    @AnotherDad

    She is loathsome. Top 5 worst. At least Chrissy Teigen sort of looks the part.

    , @ic1000
    @AnotherDad

    > Soledad’s grift is being a [nice-looking touch-'o-Black journalist who] delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (...Correct if i’m wrong.)

    You're not wrong.

    For each of the five or so pieces I've watched, Ms. O'Brien is predictable. Take fashionable Progressive Talking Points and highlight them. Cut to a heart-wrenching interview with an oppressed member of a designated victim group, empathize with their suffering. Ignore, dismiss, or downplay any complicating aspects of the story. That's a wrap!

    In O'Brien's defense, the sense one gets is that her gifts run more to attractiveness than intellect. She doesn't betray any unease over the ethics of breaking eggs to make Narrative-compliant omlets, every time.

    Replies: @photondancer

  15. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    That was pitiful. Was he really out of gas or just too lazy to keep running?
    On the early COPS shows there would be these occasional foot chases in which a young Black suspect built like a cornerback would bolt off into the night running like a gazelle. The doughy looking White cops would go lumbering after them with the 20 pounds of equipment jingling on their belts. You would think the suspect would be long gone, but there would be a jump in the camera footage and here the cops would be, trudging back with the hand-cuffed suspect. I used to think that had to be staged.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Alfa158


    That was pitiful. Was he really out of gas or just too lazy to keep running?
    On the early COPS shows there would be these occasional foot chases in which a young Black suspect built like a cornerback would bolt off into the night running like a gazelle. The doughy looking White cops would go lumbering after them with the 20 pounds of equipment jingling on their belts. You would think the suspect would be long gone, but there would be a jump in the camera footage and here the cops would be, trudging back with the hand-cuffed suspect. I used to think that had to be staged.
     
    You, me or any out of shape, donut eating cop can run down a thoroughbred or cheetah.
  16. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    Someone once asked Usain Bolt how quickly he could run a mile. He responded that he didn’t know as he had never run that far all at once.

  17. I have to say that the people criticizing the lack of black-Latin representation actually have a point. The “Heights” in the title in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan, with its largely Dominican population, and of course Dominicans have a high proportion of African ancestry.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @prosa123

    Seinfeld, Friends, In The Heights, arguably Louie -- are TV depictions of New York accidentally segregated because, despite the crowding, people only see their circle?

    , @Travis
    @prosa123

    True and the Dominicans typically hate Blacks. My Wife's best friend is Dominican and the stuff her family spouts out about Blacks makes them sound like raving KKK members. If anyone her met her you would assume she was half Black genetically. Yet her entire family all despise Blacks and would never identify as Afro-Latin despite being genetically more Black than Spanish.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

  18. @AnotherDad
    @Travis

    Soledad's grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the "black box" ... and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (Ok, in fairness i've basically never listen to her for more than maybe a minute, but that's my perception. Correct if i'm wrong.)

    I get that people need to use the gifts God has given them--intelligence, inter-personal skills, athletic ability, mechanical sense, conscientiousness, etc.--to make a living. But it still strikes me as a sleazy grift.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Danindc, @ic1000

    Soledad’s grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the “black box” … and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance.

    I didn’t realize she’s a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn’t? Then why did you use her first name?

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @prosa123


    I didn’t realize she’s a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn’t? Then why did you use her first name?
     
    So you'd be clear, i wasn't referring to Conan.

    Replies: @Prosa123

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @prosa123


    Then why did you use her first name?
     
    ’Twas merely one dad calling out another— y u buggin?
  19. There’s an oddly Satanic quality to the Gay/Trans subculture. Look at the mask the guy is wearing above. “Pride” parades are almost like a homosexual version of “Eyes Wide Shut.”

    “Drag Queen.”

    Even the Weimar Republic didn’t go this far.

    • Agree: Daniel H, S. Anonyia, JMcG
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    'oddly' Satanic? I'd say it's right on theme.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Peterike
    @JohnnyWalker123


    “ Drag Queen.” Even the Weimar Republic didn’t go this far.
     
    Same people responsible for both.
  20. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    Reno 911

  21. Mr. Burns hired Señor Spielbergo

    [MORE]

    A Burns For All Seasons

    • Thanks: donut
  22. @J.Ross
    Aren't boricua part black?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ray Caruso, @Swamp Fox

    Aren’t boricua part black?

    Pretty much all of them are at least a small part black. But they’ve been running from being “black” for a few centuries.

    Switching may not come easy psychologically for some … but given the minoritarian climate in the US i’m sure plenty of them will take the (paperwork) plunge where profitable.

    But this insanity will pass with changing demographics. Long term being “Hispanic” seems like a better–saner, healthier–bet.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    Cardi B freely uses "the n-word" and no one seems to complain even though she doesn't really look black at all.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @AnotherDad

    Agree with you, AD.

    Hey, according to genetic tests, our kids are a tiny percentage Spanish on their mother’s side (my wife is Filipina). Might be wise to have them identify as Hispanic on college and job applications when the time comes, eh?

    Besides, if we have to play along with the mentally ill man who “identifies” as a female, what ground is there to tell someone that they’re “not really Hispanic” and so can’t list their identity as Hispanic if they choose to?

  23. @Travis
    Soledad O'Brien self-identifies as an Afro-Cuban and Lin-Manuel Miranda probably has similar Black ancestry as does most of the actors in his new film. They should just identify as Afro-Latino like Soledad O'Brien to get more Pokemon points.

    https://youtu.be/-qqypWkmkD8
    TV News Anchor Soledad O'Brien on Growing up Afro Cuban

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Miranda should have cast Soledad as his token Afro-Cuban.

  24. He should have taken a genetic test before he apologized …..just a drop and he’s covered.

  25. Somewhat on topic, but the black/latin conflict will take form in the next Black Panther film.

    Atlantis in Black Panther 2 is going to be revealed to be a kind of Mayan Wakanda. The very Amerindian looking Tenoch Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis. And they’re going to find some contrived reason for them to fight.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Altai

    "Tenoch [sic] Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis"

    Tenoch is obviously a sun person; the Kirby-Lee Namor looks like a pale Romulan. Atlantis lies 20 thousand leagues under the sea: Tenoch's casting is technically impossible and a blunder on a massive scale.

    , @Bugg
    @Altai

    Should not "The King of Atlantis" look like a real life movie star rather than a per diem dry wall guy you pick up at Lowe's? There are Latino actors who could pull it off like Pedro Pascal, Javier Bardem, Benecio DelToro. But not this fella.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Altai

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Altai

    He did a very good job in Narcos: Mexico, playing an uncultured thug.

  26. @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    He could still self-identify as Afro-Latin since he has a Black ancestors. All Puerto Rican people are over 10% Black, most are 25% Black.

    Most of the cast of his new film are blacker than the Afro-Cuban Soledad O’Brien. Maybe some of them do identify as Afro-Cuban.

  27. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross


    Aren’t boricua part black?
     
    Pretty much all of them are at least a small part black. But they've been running from being "black" for a few centuries.

    Switching may not come easy psychologically for some ... but given the minoritarian climate in the US i'm sure plenty of them will take the (paperwork) plunge where profitable.


    But this insanity will pass with changing demographics. Long term being "Hispanic" seems like a better--saner, healthier--bet.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @RadicalCenter

    Cardi B freely uses “the n-word” and no one seems to complain even though she doesn’t really look black at all.

  28. Norton immediately brings us back to Burr in the ground in Princeton.

    How so?

    Some guy named Norton wrote a book review of a book about Theranos and Holmes and the guy who wrote the book was named Carryrou and that Carryrou name sounds French Canadian like the guy who played the lead in The Tempest a few decades ago and George Shultz — who croaked recently — was grabbing some cash from Holmes and Theranos while on the corporate board of Theranos and George Shultz had a P inked onto his fat globalizer ass and George Shultz was a radical extremist immigration fanatic who wanted to flood even more foreigners into the USA than the JEW/WASP Ruling Class has been.

    Burr is buried at Princeton and Burr wasn’t so bad and Burr didn’t do anything wrong and Hamilton was a plutocrat scumbag who, for power demonstration purposes, used the new taxing power of the newly created US federal government to attack farmers out in the trans-Appalachian hinterlands.

    https://www.providencejournal.com/entertainmentlife/20180906/book-review-bad-blood-relates-inside-story-of-failed-silicon-valley-venture

    California Miller by way of Jeff Sessions looks like John Cazale, but everybody has been talking about that.

  29. “In The Heights”: West Side Story II: The Jets Lost.

  30. @prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    Soledad’s grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the “black box” … and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance.

    I didn't realize she's a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn't? Then why did you use her first name?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I didn’t realize she’s a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn’t? Then why did you use her first name?

    So you’d be clear, i wasn’t referring to Conan.

    • LOL: Pixo
    • Replies: @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

  31. @prosa123
    I have to say that the people criticizing the lack of black-Latin representation actually have a point. The "Heights" in the title in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan, with its largely Dominican population, and of course Dominicans have a high proportion of African ancestry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Travis

    Seinfeld, Friends, In The Heights, arguably Louie — are TV depictions of New York accidentally segregated because, despite the crowding, people only see their circle?

  32. As I skimmed past that pic I just assumed it was Edward Norton!

  33. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    To me the more interesting aspect is the girls.

    About 18s in the girl says:
    “He’s gonna to run up on the highway and cause an accident.” (Possible.)

    then after a few seconds pause:
    “like someone needs ta …”

    but she just tails off, perhaps slowly realizing that this amorphous “someone should do something” someone that women conjure up when the world isn’t right but they want/need a man to do something about it … is in fact the cops.

    But of course if the cops do their job and in the process the scumbag gets hurt, then well have some white women tweet out video of how the cops didn’t do it right and little blackie got hurt.

  34. @Altai
    For those who don't know, the musical 'In The Heights' is based on a fictional rounding up of all the 'DREAMERs' and sending them back home. It is designed to be background music for more agitation for Biden's 'immigration reform'.

    Hamilton is already passé and will be replaced by the 'Juneteenth' musical which will dispense with the stepping stone of white American history in blackface to just be African-American history. Will it be as popular with mid-West moms? Probably not, but it will certainly get 20 times the media promotion despite making 1/10 of the money Hamilton did.

    The Juneteenth musical will be the video that every student in America will see several times and most likely every other time they are supervised when their teacher is absent.

    To give an idea of what it might look like, there was a kind of back-door pilot of it on Black-ish and a lot of the same people will be involved in making it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzaUTbnh_CQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t06_9KI5hlE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwd_J4NTDc4

    Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    back door pilot how very apt…

  35. Define “Afro-Latino.” Is it based on phenotype or looks? Is it based on “drops” of African “blood”? Are ALL Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and Cubans “Afro” by the second definition?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro%E2%80%93Latin_Americans

  36. @prosa123
    I have to say that the people criticizing the lack of black-Latin representation actually have a point. The "Heights" in the title in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan, with its largely Dominican population, and of course Dominicans have a high proportion of African ancestry.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Travis

    True and the Dominicans typically hate Blacks. My Wife’s best friend is Dominican and the stuff her family spouts out about Blacks makes them sound like raving KKK members. If anyone her met her you would assume she was half Black genetically. Yet her entire family all despise Blacks and would never identify as Afro-Latin despite being genetically more Black than Spanish.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Travis

    I guess that sharing an island with Haitians does something to a people.

    , @Anonymous
    @Travis

    Yes, I have noticed this as well. Some of the biggest anti-black racists are people with obvious part-black ancestry.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Travis

    As baseball got taken over by Domincans, its not been a turn off to white Americans. Why? Because Dominicans act professional, friendly, jovial, and happy to be making millions of dollars playing a kids game. I have yet to hear of a Domincan millionaire ball player bitching about racism or whining that racism was holding him down.

    Contrast that with black NBA players, who whine about racism as they rake in millions and nail white groupies and have all their various crimes covered up by the ((media)).

    If we could trade all American blacks for Dominicans we'd be much better off as a country.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  37. @AnotherDad
    @Travis

    Soledad's grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the "black box" ... and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (Ok, in fairness i've basically never listen to her for more than maybe a minute, but that's my perception. Correct if i'm wrong.)

    I get that people need to use the gifts God has given them--intelligence, inter-personal skills, athletic ability, mechanical sense, conscientiousness, etc.--to make a living. But it still strikes me as a sleazy grift.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Danindc, @ic1000

    She is loathsome. Top 5 worst. At least Chrissy Teigen sort of looks the part.

  38. @Batman
    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We're almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @vhrm

    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We’re almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    Herd immunity!

    • LOL: vhrm
  39. @Redneck farmer
    Have we ever seen them both in the same place?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Have we ever seen them both in the same place?

    They’re both straight.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  40. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    Pro tip: If you make Officer 👮🏻‍♂️ Friendly run after you, you’re gonna get an ass kicking when he catches you.

    (Cf Chris Rock)

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, he doesn't want it. It's a fun activity for mainlanders.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.
     
    Agreed.

    Our grubby little imperialist phase was quite grubby--see Philippine-American war. And has been pretty much a complete loser across the board for Americans.

    If we'd had the wisdom to simply sign whatever naval treaties were deemed necessary, in return for kicking these folks loose ... we'd have been much better off. Not even fighting the Spanish-American War would have been a fine strategy as well.

    Replies: @donut

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    It would be fun if one of the legion of ethics-deficient IRS employees leaked the income tax returns of Luis A. Miranda Jr. That would add an extra element of poignancy to the scrappy story of Lin-Manuel’s rise from his humbly impoverished childhood roots.

  43. @prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    Soledad’s grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the “black box” … and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance.

    I didn't realize she's a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn't? Then why did you use her first name?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Then why did you use her first name?

    ’Twas merely one dad calling out another— y u buggin?

  44. “how much [the proud Puerto Rican nationalist/white culture appropriator] looks like Edward Norton.”

    The visage is all: PR/culture thief is round; Norton is the oval. Although both share the same body type — unremarkable.

  45. @Batman
    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We're almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @vhrm

    Well said.

  46. @Altai
    Somewhat on topic, but the black/latin conflict will take form in the next Black Panther film.

    Atlantis in Black Panther 2 is going to be revealed to be a kind of Mayan Wakanda. The very Amerindian looking Tenoch Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis. And they're going to find some contrived reason for them to fight.

    https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7290bad/2147483647/strip/true/crop/815x534+0+0/resize/840x550!/quality/90/?url=https:%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fff%2F57%2Fe0f0cc6e4124bb95d84188114334%2Fhuerta-portada-1236445.JPG

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @PiltdownMan

    “Tenoch [sic] Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis”

    Tenoch is obviously a sun person; the Kirby-Lee Namor looks like a pale Romulan. Atlantis lies 20 thousand leagues under the sea: Tenoch’s casting is technically impossible and a blunder on a massive scale.

  47. He looks like younger versions of Mario Diaz Balart and iSteve.

  48. Eduardo Norteño in “American History LatinX”

    Here’s the pitch for the Fight Club+Scarface+American History X remake:

    SHAY DJELLO TO MY SEENGLE-SERVING FRAIN

    JEW WANNA PLAY ROUGH? HOKAY

  49. I have no idea why this guy is famous or who actually pays to watch his stuff. Hamilton seems to suck and In the Heights looks even worse, Afro-Latinos or not.

    I guess it’s all part of a virtue-signalling jerk circle, so, honestly, screw him. Make him apologize, make him squeal like a pig.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Dumbo

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women. Many of my relatives from the stereotypical Southern Baptist side of my family couldn't stop raving with delight on Facebook when Hamilton got added to Disney Plus, so they could show it to their kids. Several of them traveled 4+ hours to go see the closest in-person showing pre-COVID.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jim Don Bob

  50. @AnotherDad
    @prosa123


    I didn’t realize she’s a personal acquaintance of yours, cool. Wait, she isn’t? Then why did you use her first name?
     
    So you'd be clear, i wasn't referring to Conan.

    Replies: @Prosa123

    That’s so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Prosa123

    'Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.'

    Do you expect anyone to take this seriously, or is it just some kind of labored joke that went by me?

    In any case, it all seems to vary by some mysterious rule. Obviously, it's 'Hillary' rather than 'Clinton' because one wants to make it clear one is referring to She-Sauron rather than her husband, but after that...

    'Kamala,' not 'Harris.' On the other hand, 'Thatcher,' not 'Margaret.' Our governess here in Oregon would not be 'Brown,' and she certainly wouldn't be 'Kate' -- not unless you liked her. She's 'Kate Brown.'

    'Sarah Palin'? 'Palin' works. Not 'Sarah.' 'Pelosi,' not 'Nancy.'

    I suppose it's really a question of which name is most distinctive. So it's 'Kamala' rather than 'Harris.' There are lots of Harrises -- but how many 'Kamalas' are you familiar with? One too many, of course, but...

    As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that's kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I'd hardly want any of them to do it.

    Replies: @ic1000, @prosa123

    , @AnotherDad
    @Prosa123

    Wrong side of the bed?

    Seriously, last names are both formal and usually--not always--more clarifying. But this was neither formal, nor a first mention but a follow on comment on Steve's--excuse me, Mr. Sailer's--blog. "Soledad" is both clear and the more distinct of her names--of the two one she herself plays up (for her phony Hispanicness). But i will henceforth refer to her as SO'B.

    I've wasted a good bit of time here writing comments that weren't really necessary--adding anything to the conversation. I suggest you file yours in that bucket.

    , @anon
    @Prosa123

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.329431506.8954/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u6.jpg

    , @obwandiyag
    @Prosa123

    What about "Saddam"?

    The land of historical amnesia.

    , @Daniel H
    @Prosa123


    That’s so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.
     
    Stop it. Another Dad owned you with his retort, you respond with futile flails to deflect. You've been owned and stung. Back off.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Prosa123

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men.

    But AD didn't name anyone other than Ms. O'Brian so your idea of what he would do regarding a similarly situated male is purely notional. You remind me of an anecdote one of the commenters mentioned a while back (perhaps JackD?).. His wife woke up angry at him and when he inquired what he had done to deserve this, she said that she had a dream in which he said something mean to her. When he pointed out that he can hardly be responsible for something she dreamt, she responded "but it was just like you!". That's your argument basically.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Prosa123

    https://i.postimg.cc/dVPKCFGr/M-Lady.jpg

  51. I went to Yeshiva University, which is located in Washington Heights, location of the musical. The university is a Jewish enclave (one of two, one one each side of the neighborhood) in a heavily Dominican neighborhood. So they try to be nice to the locals. (The undergraduate student body is 100% Orthodox Jewish. The graduate schools aren’t, but they’re mostly elsewhere. I strongly doubt any faculty are Dominican. The staff- maintenance, security, etc.- is heavily Dominican.) I remember when Miranda, for example, got an honorary degree from them, based heavily on his work on this musical.

    Ironically, Miranda is:

    1. Not Dominican at all but Puerto Rican, with some Mexican ancestry. By appearance, I’m guessing somewhere between 80 and 100% Spanish white. (It’s white ignorance and condescension that lumps together everyone south of the border- and Iberian speakers from as far afield as the Philippines and, of course, Iberia itself- as “Latinx”. Lots of these people despise each other. I still remember the reaction of a Haitian classmate in high school when I was discussing Colin Powell and he muttered something about light-skinned Jamaicans.) Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are very different in many ways- amount of time in America, racial, success-wise, location, and more.

    2. The son of (presumably) intelligent, successful, very well connected, and I imagine very comfortable, at least, parents. And Miranda himself is probably orders of magnitude more successful, connected, and wealthy than his parents. Those are not usual adjectives one finds among the Dominicans of the Heights.

    3. Not from Washington Heights at all. Yeshiva is located in the 180’s streets of Manhattan, at the northern end of the neighborhood. The real heart of Washington Heights is the 160’s, a mile to the south, where Columbia’s medical school and hospital is. Yeshiva’s section, depressed as parts of it can be, is a veritable paradise compared to that- and Miranda isn’t even from there but from Inwood, the neighborhood to the north, from the 190’s or so until the 210’s, on the river separating Manhattan from the Bronx. Inwood and Washington Heights are often lumped together administratively and in the public mind but are very, very different. Parts of Inwood are about as close as you can get to “suburban” anywhere on Manhattan Island. Inwood Hill Park is the only undeveloped land on the whole island. (Central Park was planned and built from scratch, with some neighborhoods and industrial areas knocked down to make room for it.)

    Am I saying Miranda is a big phony? Well, yeah, but lots of people are. Lots of successful black singers and actors and writers and “thinkers” who won’t shut up about racism are children of privilege far greater than that of the average white. Lots are barely racially black, if at all. (Whoopi Goldberg will occasionally make some noises in this direction, about, say, very pale “black” actresses.) It just finally came back to bite Miranda here.

    (Is he racist? Well, the frickin’ *rules* of casting Hamilton are that everyone *but, specifically* George III can’t be white. Draw your own conclusions.)

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  52. @Batman
    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We're almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @vhrm

    Once everyone is racist, no one can be racist. We’re almost there, folks, before this garbage movement fizzles out.

    I hope that’s the case, but there’s that whole “the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent” aspect of this. To mix metaphors, let’s hope we can pull up before we experience CFIT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain)

    In the spirit of backlash or the pendulum swinging or light at the end of the tunnel, there’s a story going around about a North Korean defector who eventually ended up at Columbia saying the brainwashing here is as bad as there.

    A woman who fled North Korea when she was a teenager and is now attending Columbia University said she is seeing a lot of similarities between the totalitarian regime she grew up in and the education she is now receiving in the United States.

    Yeonmi Park and her mother fled North Korea to China over the frozen Yalu River in 2007, when she was just 13
    … to eventually find refuge in South Korea, where Park, now 27, attended college before transferring to Columbia in 2016.

    She explained that when she started school at Columbia, she was excited to learn more about history, a subject she said was discouraged in her homeland.

    But when her teacher, discussing Western Civilization, asked if students had an issue with the name of the class topic, most did, saying there was a ‘colonial’ slant.

    ‘Every problem, they explained us, is because of white men,’ she said, reminding her of her home country where people were categorized based on their ancestors, according to the Post.

    During her orientation, a professor asked who the class who liked classical books, like Jane Austen.

    ‘I said, ‘I love those books,’ Park said in an interview with FOX News. ‘I thought it was a good thing.’

    ‘Then she said, ‘Did you know those writers had a colonial mindset? They were racists and bigots and are subconsciously brainwashing you.’

    From there, she said, her classes were filled with ‘anti-American sentiment, reminding her of her childhood in North Korea, where students were constantly taught about the ‘American bastard,’ which was the only way they were allowed to refer to Americans.

    ‘The math problems would say: ‘There are four American bastards, you kill two of them, how many American bastards are left to kill?,” Park recounted, saying 7-year-olds in North Korea would have to respond with ‘two American bastards’ to that question.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9686415/Columbia-student-escaped-North-Korea-says-sees-similarities-US.html

    This woman is an activist herself so there may be a bit of playing things up for her audience, but maybe it will break through to some. That thing about the math problems i’m sure will ring true for some here.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.
     
    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    Yeah, he doesn’t want it. It’s a fun activity for mainlanders.

  54. @AnotherDad
    @Altai

    "We built this"? LOL.

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America's first "atomic bomb".

    That one i'd watch. I'd buy a couple tickets and invite JackD.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America’s first “atomic bomb”

    I ,for one, can hardly wait to see Morgan Freeman in an Albert Einstein fright wig , headlining “Keepin’ it Real: the South Bronx Project”.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @black sea
    @kaganovitch

    "Ain't gonna lie. It's da' bomb."

  55. The Mrs. being a big fan of Broadway musicals watched this Friday evening. Without any NHL playoff hockey on, I did as well.

    It runs an interminable 2 hours 23 minutes. It’s too damn long. the whole “Dreamers” crap and a lot else looks tacked on to bloat out what could have been a pleasant taut Broadway on film thing to a total mess. Storyline, what there is of it, is that Washington Heights is subject to a 7 day blackout, but all the characters do is sing and dance and change clothes, which isn’t practical in NYC in August. Having been in a few NYC blackouts, the locals tend to be much less well behaved in such situations. Miranda -of course- also gives himself a 12 minute stretch where he as the shaved ice guy is at war with the Mister Softee ice cream truck guy, adding nothing, more long pointless songs. People sitting in a Broadway musical theater have already bought in; they will sit through dreck music to get to the good parts. People stuck on their couch, not so much.

    This looks like a great way for a big entertainment company to lose piles of money fast-

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/06/15/nolte-lin-manuel-mirandas-in-the-heights-also-bombed-on-hbo-maxs-streaming-service/

  56. @AnotherDad
    @Travis

    Soledad's grift is being a mostly white/white-featured, ergo not-unattractive woman who for media purposes checks the "black box" ... and then delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (Ok, in fairness i've basically never listen to her for more than maybe a minute, but that's my perception. Correct if i'm wrong.)

    I get that people need to use the gifts God has given them--intelligence, inter-personal skills, athletic ability, mechanical sense, conscientiousness, etc.--to make a living. But it still strikes me as a sleazy grift.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Danindc, @ic1000

    > Soledad’s grift is being a [nice-looking touch-‘o-Black journalist who] delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (…Correct if i’m wrong.)

    You’re not wrong.

    For each of the five or so pieces I’ve watched, Ms. O’Brien is predictable. Take fashionable Progressive Talking Points and highlight them. Cut to a heart-wrenching interview with an oppressed member of a designated victim group, empathize with their suffering. Ignore, dismiss, or downplay any complicating aspects of the story. That’s a wrap!

    In O’Brien’s defense, the sense one gets is that her gifts run more to attractiveness than intellect. She doesn’t betray any unease over the ethics of breaking eggs to make Narrative-compliant omlets, every time.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @ic1000

    "Cut to a heart-wrenching interview with an oppressed member of a designated victim group, empathize with their suffering. Ignore, dismiss, or downplay any complicating aspects of the story"

    This format is a template these days and not just for tv shows. Seems like every pop culture book I skim through consists of 90% anecdotes with a sprinkling of carefully chosen statistics here and there so the author can pretend their soapbox is proper scholarly work. Originally, anecdotes were supposed to be sparingly used just to illustrate a point. Now they're the entire argument. It's all part of the feelings over facts approach to life of these people, though they'll drop that the moment you suggest they empathise with the sufferings of a redneck.

  57. I never noticed before how much Lin-Manuel “Hamilton” Miranda looks like Edward Norton.

    Miranda might be a honky; but he isn’t a dumb honky. He would have known to cast some Afrx-Latinxs.

    We’ll probably never know what Hollywood big shot forced casting decisions on him.

  58. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    ‘Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.’

    Do you expect anyone to take this seriously, or is it just some kind of labored joke that went by me?

    In any case, it all seems to vary by some mysterious rule. Obviously, it’s ‘Hillary’ rather than ‘Clinton’ because one wants to make it clear one is referring to She-Sauron rather than her husband, but after that…

    ‘Kamala,’ not ‘Harris.’ On the other hand, ‘Thatcher,’ not ‘Margaret.’ Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    ‘Sarah Palin’? ‘Palin’ works. Not ‘Sarah.’ ‘Pelosi,’ not ‘Nancy.’

    I suppose it’s really a question of which name is most distinctive. So it’s ‘Kamala’ rather than ‘Harris.’ There are lots of Harrises — but how many ‘Kamalas’ are you familiar with? One too many, of course, but…

    As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that’s kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I’d hardly want any of them to do it.

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Colin Wright

    > As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that’s kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I’d hardly want any of them to do it.

    Winfrey?

    , @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

  59. @Altai
    Somewhat on topic, but the black/latin conflict will take form in the next Black Panther film.

    Atlantis in Black Panther 2 is going to be revealed to be a kind of Mayan Wakanda. The very Amerindian looking Tenoch Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis. And they're going to find some contrived reason for them to fight.

    https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7290bad/2147483647/strip/true/crop/815x534+0+0/resize/840x550!/quality/90/?url=https:%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fff%2F57%2Fe0f0cc6e4124bb95d84188114334%2Fhuerta-portada-1236445.JPG

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @PiltdownMan

    Should not “The King of Atlantis” look like a real life movie star rather than a per diem dry wall guy you pick up at Lowe’s? There are Latino actors who could pull it off like Pedro Pascal, Javier Bardem, Benecio DelToro. But not this fella.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Bugg

    The point Altai was making is that Wakanda is apparently going to fight faux Aztec/Maya “Atlantis” in Black Panther 2. All the actors you listed are basically European and don’t look like Aztecs.

    , @Altai
    @Bugg

    All those guys are very European-looking, this isn't going to be 'Hispanic Wakanda', it's going to be Mayan Wakanda. Everyone is going to look Amerindian.

  60. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    Wrong side of the bed?

    Seriously, last names are both formal and usually–not always–more clarifying. But this was neither formal, nor a first mention but a follow on comment on Steve’s–excuse me, Mr. Sailer’s–blog. “Soledad” is both clear and the more distinct of her names–of the two one she herself plays up (for her phony Hispanicness). But i will henceforth refer to her as SO’B.

    I’ve wasted a good bit of time here writing comments that weren’t really necessary–adding anything to the conversation. I suggest you file yours in that bucket.

  61. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

  62. @Bugg
    @Altai

    Should not "The King of Atlantis" look like a real life movie star rather than a per diem dry wall guy you pick up at Lowe's? There are Latino actors who could pull it off like Pedro Pascal, Javier Bardem, Benecio DelToro. But not this fella.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Altai

    The point Altai was making is that Wakanda is apparently going to fight faux Aztec/Maya “Atlantis” in Black Panther 2. All the actors you listed are basically European and don’t look like Aztecs.

  63. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.
     
    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.

    Replies: @Nachum, @AnotherDad

    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.

    Agreed.

    Our grubby little imperialist phase was quite grubby–see Philippine-American war. And has been pretty much a complete loser across the board for Americans.

    If we’d had the wisdom to simply sign whatever naval treaties were deemed necessary, in return for kicking these folks loose … we’d have been much better off. Not even fighting the Spanish-American War would have been a fine strategy as well.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @donut
    @AnotherDad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDQIpQa2mdk

  64. @Bugg
    @Altai

    Should not "The King of Atlantis" look like a real life movie star rather than a per diem dry wall guy you pick up at Lowe's? There are Latino actors who could pull it off like Pedro Pascal, Javier Bardem, Benecio DelToro. But not this fella.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Altai

    All those guys are very European-looking, this isn’t going to be ‘Hispanic Wakanda’, it’s going to be Mayan Wakanda. Everyone is going to look Amerindian.

  65. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    What about “Saddam”?

    The land of historical amnesia.

  66. @Alfa158
    @Anonymous

    That was pitiful. Was he really out of gas or just too lazy to keep running?
    On the early COPS shows there would be these occasional foot chases in which a young Black suspect built like a cornerback would bolt off into the night running like a gazelle. The doughy looking White cops would go lumbering after them with the 20 pounds of equipment jingling on their belts. You would think the suspect would be long gone, but there would be a jump in the camera footage and here the cops would be, trudging back with the hand-cuffed suspect. I used to think that had to be staged.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    That was pitiful. Was he really out of gas or just too lazy to keep running?
    On the early COPS shows there would be these occasional foot chases in which a young Black suspect built like a cornerback would bolt off into the night running like a gazelle. The doughy looking White cops would go lumbering after them with the 20 pounds of equipment jingling on their belts. You would think the suspect would be long gone, but there would be a jump in the camera footage and here the cops would be, trudging back with the hand-cuffed suspect. I used to think that had to be staged.

    You, me or any out of shape, donut eating cop can run down a thoroughbred or cheetah.

  67. And you thought the Jews couldn’t get the Hispanics brainwashed into the Cult of the Negro Worship.

    You severely underestimate their Svengali powers.

  68. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    That’s so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Stop it. Another Dad owned you with his retort, you respond with futile flails to deflect. You’ve been owned and stung. Back off.

  69. @Colin Wright
    @Prosa123

    'Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.'

    Do you expect anyone to take this seriously, or is it just some kind of labored joke that went by me?

    In any case, it all seems to vary by some mysterious rule. Obviously, it's 'Hillary' rather than 'Clinton' because one wants to make it clear one is referring to She-Sauron rather than her husband, but after that...

    'Kamala,' not 'Harris.' On the other hand, 'Thatcher,' not 'Margaret.' Our governess here in Oregon would not be 'Brown,' and she certainly wouldn't be 'Kate' -- not unless you liked her. She's 'Kate Brown.'

    'Sarah Palin'? 'Palin' works. Not 'Sarah.' 'Pelosi,' not 'Nancy.'

    I suppose it's really a question of which name is most distinctive. So it's 'Kamala' rather than 'Harris.' There are lots of Harrises -- but how many 'Kamalas' are you familiar with? One too many, of course, but...

    As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that's kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I'd hardly want any of them to do it.

    Replies: @ic1000, @prosa123

    > As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that’s kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I’d hardly want any of them to do it.

    Winfrey?

  70. @Colin Wright
    @Prosa123

    'Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.'

    Do you expect anyone to take this seriously, or is it just some kind of labored joke that went by me?

    In any case, it all seems to vary by some mysterious rule. Obviously, it's 'Hillary' rather than 'Clinton' because one wants to make it clear one is referring to She-Sauron rather than her husband, but after that...

    'Kamala,' not 'Harris.' On the other hand, 'Thatcher,' not 'Margaret.' Our governess here in Oregon would not be 'Brown,' and she certainly wouldn't be 'Kate' -- not unless you liked her. She's 'Kate Brown.'

    'Sarah Palin'? 'Palin' works. Not 'Sarah.' 'Pelosi,' not 'Nancy.'

    I suppose it's really a question of which name is most distinctive. So it's 'Kamala' rather than 'Harris.' There are lots of Harrises -- but how many 'Kamalas' are you familiar with? One too many, of course, but...

    As to which would make any of them drop their panties for me, that's kind of a moot point. With the possible exception of Sarah Palin thirty years ago, I'd hardly want any of them to do it.

    Replies: @ic1000, @prosa123

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A “governess” was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a “governor,” whether male or female. “Governess” is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon’s governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just “Brown” in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown “Kate Brown” rather than just “Brown” is not as infantilizing as calling her “Kate” but is still something that wouldn’t happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name (“John Smith”) in the first reference and the last name alone (“Smith”) in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use “Mary Jones” for the first reference and “Jones” thereafter. Using “Smith” and “Mary” is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it’s entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it’s fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example “John” and “Mary,” so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @prosa123

    (when Jack D and Art Deco fight, it's entertaining, and you usually end up learning things that matter. This fight sucked and the end was a lesson in the proper formatting of thank-you notes.)

    , @Colin Wright
    @prosa123

    I think you need to look up 'pedant.'

    I'll refer to 'Hillary,' 'Kate Brown,' Thatcher,' 'Kamala,' and 'governesses' as I see fit, and in every case you'll know who I'm talking about.

    If you begin to suspect I'm not quite politically correct, you'll be on the right track there as well.

    , @photondancer
    @prosa123

    The rules of etiquette that obtain in your neck of the woods are not universal laws.

    Personally, I consider it rather unbecoming conduct in you to dictate to others how they are to behave, especially on someone else's turf. This is not your blog.

    Since the word and concept 'governess' for a female private educator are both obsolete and not known to a large proportion of the populace, if people want to repurpose the word for a female governor let them. You may think you're doing the right thing by bleating 'but but female educator!', but all you'll achieve is to fuse those 2 concepts together where now they are separate. Is that really what you want?

    , @anon
    @prosa123

    https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/024/657/lol_internet_police.gif

    , @RadicalCenter
    @prosa123

    I suppose a male governor used to be a gubernator, while a female one technically would be a gubernatrix? Same declension as administrator / administratrix.

  71. @Travis
    @prosa123

    True and the Dominicans typically hate Blacks. My Wife's best friend is Dominican and the stuff her family spouts out about Blacks makes them sound like raving KKK members. If anyone her met her you would assume she was half Black genetically. Yet her entire family all despise Blacks and would never identify as Afro-Latin despite being genetically more Black than Spanish.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    I guess that sharing an island with Haitians does something to a people.

  72. @Anon
    The immigrants vs. "descendants of American slaves" thing was just heating up, and now we have the lighties vs. the darkies. What's next? Hair gatekeeping? Ass size quotas?

    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background. The film's sole Black lead is portrayed by Corey Hawkins, though his character Benny is not identified as having Caribbean roots.

    Jay-Ann Lopez, founder of Black Girl Gamers, tweeted that she was tired of movies “using dark skinned afro-latinos for the backdrop.”

    Any one of those characters could have been dark skinned afro-latinos and there are plenty of qualified actors that exist especially from NY,” she wrote, tagging the film’s account. “The question for me is why are NONE of the major roles played by dark skinned afro-latinos? Like in my mind it's completely possible.”
     
    I think the main lesson from stuff like this is that, when anyone in the entire world can make cracks at you in real time, it doesn't mean you have to respond. Just ignore it. Get off social media if you need to.

    Replies: @Technite78, @donut

    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background.

    Did the original text actually use the word “regulating” instead of “relegating”?

    LOL

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Technite78


    Did the original text actually use the word “regulating” instead of “relegating”?

     

    Maybe 'regulating' for 'relegating' is the new 'reticent' for 'reluctant'.
  73. @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross


    Aren’t boricua part black?
     
    Pretty much all of them are at least a small part black. But they've been running from being "black" for a few centuries.

    Switching may not come easy psychologically for some ... but given the minoritarian climate in the US i'm sure plenty of them will take the (paperwork) plunge where profitable.


    But this insanity will pass with changing demographics. Long term being "Hispanic" seems like a better--saner, healthier--bet.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @RadicalCenter

    Agree with you, AD.

    Hey, according to genetic tests, our kids are a tiny percentage Spanish on their mother’s side (my wife is Filipina). Might be wise to have them identify as Hispanic on college and job applications when the time comes, eh?

    Besides, if we have to play along with the mentally ill man who “identifies” as a female, what ground is there to tell someone that they’re “not really Hispanic” and so can’t list their identity as Hispanic if they choose to?

  74. @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

    (when Jack D and Art Deco fight, it’s entertaining, and you usually end up learning things that matter. This fight sucked and the end was a lesson in the proper formatting of thank-you notes.)

  75. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men.

    But AD didn’t name anyone other than Ms. O’Brian so your idea of what he would do regarding a similarly situated male is purely notional. You remind me of an anecdote one of the commenters mentioned a while back (perhaps JackD?).. His wife woke up angry at him and when he inquired what he had done to deserve this, she said that she had a dream in which he said something mean to her. When he pointed out that he can hardly be responsible for something she dreamt, she responded “but it was just like you!”. That’s your argument basically.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Ah yes — who could forget when he sang that traditional Puerto Rican song to his bride at his wedding?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgZ4ZTTfKO8

    And he’s been fascinated by… Puerto Rican literature since he was a child:

    In the meantime he is teaming up with Quiara Alegría Hudes, the “In the Heights” book writer, on a musical adaptation of Chaim Potok’s 1972 novel “My Name Is Asher Lev,” about a young Hasidic Jew in New York City who dreams of life as an artist.“It was my favorite book growing up,” Mr. Miranda said.

    And he always hung out with other Puerto Ricans, ever since he was a child:
    That Miranda hits the hard “chet” in “l’chaim” just right may be because in elementary school, as he told The New Yorker, “all my friends were Jewish,” and he was also no stranger to singing and dancing at over-the-top Jewish events. As he told The New York Times Vows column, he met his wife — an MIT-trained scientist who is also an attorney — before his first Broadway bonanza, and he was paying the rent by performing at bar mitzvahs.”

    And Miranda is the proud owner of an honorary doctorate from the “University of Puerto Rico”, which he describes as a “radiating force that is shaping our world” — he means the world of Puerto Ricans, of course…

    Could be just an odd series of coincidences, I guess. Let’s see…

    http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/miranda/162/

    Huh.

    Say, I don’t suppose Hamilt…

    http://blogs.yu.edu/news/a-jewish-founding-father/

  77. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    I look forward to the musical showing how African-Americans built America’s first “atomic bomb”

    I ,for one, can hardly wait to see Morgan Freeman in an Albert Einstein fright wig , headlining "Keepin' it Real: the South Bronx Project".

    Replies: @black sea

    “Ain’t gonna lie. It’s da’ bomb.”

  78. @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

    I think you need to look up ‘pedant.’

    I’ll refer to ‘Hillary,’ ‘Kate Brown,’ Thatcher,’ ‘Kamala,’ and ‘governesses’ as I see fit, and in every case you’ll know who I’m talking about.

    If you begin to suspect I’m not quite politically correct, you’ll be on the right track there as well.

  79. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    @prosa123

    True and the Dominicans typically hate Blacks. My Wife's best friend is Dominican and the stuff her family spouts out about Blacks makes them sound like raving KKK members. If anyone her met her you would assume she was half Black genetically. Yet her entire family all despise Blacks and would never identify as Afro-Latin despite being genetically more Black than Spanish.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    Yes, I have noticed this as well. Some of the biggest anti-black racists are people with obvious part-black ancestry.

  80. @Dumbo
    I have no idea why this guy is famous or who actually pays to watch his stuff. Hamilton seems to suck and In the Heights looks even worse, Afro-Latinos or not.

    I guess it's all part of a virtue-signalling jerk circle, so, honestly, screw him. Make him apologize, make him squeal like a pig.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women. Many of my relatives from the stereotypical Southern Baptist side of my family couldn’t stop raving with delight on Facebook when Hamilton got added to Disney Plus, so they could show it to their kids. Several of them traveled 4+ hours to go see the closest in-person showing pre-COVID.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @S. Anonyia


    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.

     

    I know exactly what you mean. Many of my rural/suburban female friends/relatives -- and often the most 'conservative' ones -- are obsessed with Hamilton.

    I'm curious how they'll react to 'In the Heights' and the Juneteenth thing.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @S. Anonyia


    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.
     
    Very true. I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Johann Ricke

  81. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/InternetInsider/status/1402392931542110214

    There's an oddly Satanic quality to the Gay/Trans subculture. Look at the mask the guy is wearing above. "Pride" parades are almost like a homosexual version of "Eyes Wide Shut."

    https://twitter.com/TheRealLeejo/status/1366863515970134026

    "Drag Queen."

    Even the Weimar Republic didn't go this far.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peterike

    ‘oddly’ Satanic? I’d say it’s right on theme.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly. That's why it's so nails on chalkboard for all these trendy churches to whore themselves out for Pride whatever the purported purpose.

    See the Franz Ferdinand thread for the story on the Imperial burial liturgy.

    Replies: @Dissident

  82. @ic1000
    @AnotherDad

    > Soledad’s grift is being a [nice-looking touch-'o-Black journalist who] delivers whiny, put-upon, black woman grievance. (...Correct if i’m wrong.)

    You're not wrong.

    For each of the five or so pieces I've watched, Ms. O'Brien is predictable. Take fashionable Progressive Talking Points and highlight them. Cut to a heart-wrenching interview with an oppressed member of a designated victim group, empathize with their suffering. Ignore, dismiss, or downplay any complicating aspects of the story. That's a wrap!

    In O'Brien's defense, the sense one gets is that her gifts run more to attractiveness than intellect. She doesn't betray any unease over the ethics of breaking eggs to make Narrative-compliant omlets, every time.

    Replies: @photondancer

    “Cut to a heart-wrenching interview with an oppressed member of a designated victim group, empathize with their suffering. Ignore, dismiss, or downplay any complicating aspects of the story”

    This format is a template these days and not just for tv shows. Seems like every pop culture book I skim through consists of 90% anecdotes with a sprinkling of carefully chosen statistics here and there so the author can pretend their soapbox is proper scholarly work. Originally, anecdotes were supposed to be sparingly used just to illustrate a point. Now they’re the entire argument. It’s all part of the feelings over facts approach to life of these people, though they’ll drop that the moment you suggest they empathise with the sufferings of a redneck.

  83. @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

    The rules of etiquette that obtain in your neck of the woods are not universal laws.

    Personally, I consider it rather unbecoming conduct in you to dictate to others how they are to behave, especially on someone else’s turf. This is not your blog.

    Since the word and concept ‘governess’ for a female private educator are both obsolete and not known to a large proportion of the populace, if people want to repurpose the word for a female governor let them. You may think you’re doing the right thing by bleating ‘but but female educator!’, but all you’ll achieve is to fuse those 2 concepts together where now they are separate. Is that really what you want?

  84. @Travis
    @prosa123

    True and the Dominicans typically hate Blacks. My Wife's best friend is Dominican and the stuff her family spouts out about Blacks makes them sound like raving KKK members. If anyone her met her you would assume she was half Black genetically. Yet her entire family all despise Blacks and would never identify as Afro-Latin despite being genetically more Black than Spanish.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    As baseball got taken over by Domincans, its not been a turn off to white Americans. Why? Because Dominicans act professional, friendly, jovial, and happy to be making millions of dollars playing a kids game. I have yet to hear of a Domincan millionaire ball player bitching about racism or whining that racism was holding him down.

    Contrast that with black NBA players, who whine about racism as they rake in millions and nail white groupies and have all their various crimes covered up by the ((media)).

    If we could trade all American blacks for Dominicans we’d be much better off as a country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @R.G. Camara

    In other words, they act like blacks used to behave. You're very optimistic if you think this is going to last forever.

  85. @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

  86. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/InternetInsider/status/1402392931542110214

    There's an oddly Satanic quality to the Gay/Trans subculture. Look at the mask the guy is wearing above. "Pride" parades are almost like a homosexual version of "Eyes Wide Shut."

    https://twitter.com/TheRealLeejo/status/1366863515970134026

    "Drag Queen."

    Even the Weimar Republic didn't go this far.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Peterike

    “ Drag Queen.” Even the Weimar Republic didn’t go this far.

    Same people responsible for both.

    • Agree: donut
  87. OT: Having decided not to pack the Court, the Senate decides to pack the calendar instead.

    The Senate unanimously passed a resolution on Tuesday establishing June 19 as Juneteenth National Independence Day, a US holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the United States.

    The legislation has gained momentum since the massive Black Lives Matter protests sparked by the police killing of George Floyd last year and the Democrats’ takeover of the White House and Congress.

    CNN

  88. @Altai
    Somewhat on topic, but the black/latin conflict will take form in the next Black Panther film.

    Atlantis in Black Panther 2 is going to be revealed to be a kind of Mayan Wakanda. The very Amerindian looking Tenoch Huerta has been cast as Namor, the king of Atlantis. And they're going to find some contrived reason for them to fight.

    https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7290bad/2147483647/strip/true/crop/815x534+0+0/resize/840x550!/quality/90/?url=https:%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fff%2F57%2Fe0f0cc6e4124bb95d84188114334%2Fhuerta-portada-1236445.JPG

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @PiltdownMan

    He did a very good job in Narcos: Mexico, playing an uncultured thug.

  89. @J.Ross
    Aren't boricua part black?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ray Caruso, @Swamp Fox

    Like other Latin Americans, they’re not homogeneous. A few, maybe five percent, are full-blooded White, with the percentage being higher among the better-off classes. A similar percentage are dark enough to be called black. All the others are mixed, having various proportions of White, black, and Arawak/Carib Indian blood.

  90. @prosa123
    @Colin Wright

    Our governess here in Oregon would not be ‘Brown,’ and she certainly wouldn’t be ‘Kate’ — not unless you liked her. She’s ‘Kate Brown.’

    1. A "governess" was a (generally) young woman hired to teach the children of aristocrats in Victorian Britain. As it was an almost entirely female occupation there was no equivalent male term. Tutor, possibly.
    The chief executive officer of a US state is a "governor," whether male or female. "Governess" is an obsolete term today and most likely never was in general use in the US unless as a reference to the Victorian British occupation.

    2. If Oregon's governor were a man named Ken Brown he would be just "Brown" in most contexts. Calling Kate Brown "Kate Brown" rather than just "Brown" is not as infantilizing as calling her "Kate" but is still something that wouldn't happen if she were male.

    As a general rule, when referring to a politician or other newsworthy figure* in Internet writing the appropriate method is to use the full name ("John Smith") in the first reference and the last name alone ("Smith") in subsequent references. This applies to both males and females, in other words for a woman one should use "Mary Jones" for the first reference and "Jones" thereafter. Using "Smith" and "Mary" is a very, very, very poor reflection on the user.

    There of course are some variations. If one wishes to be more formal or polite, it's entirely appropriate to use Mr. Smith and Ms. Jones in later references. In a humorous, sarcastic, or simply very informal context, or when referring to children or adolescents, it's fine to first-name people in subsequent mentions, for example "John" and "Mary," so long as both genders get the same treatment.

    * = different rules may apply when writing about celebrities and athletes.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @photondancer, @anon, @RadicalCenter

    I suppose a male governor used to be a gubernator, while a female one technically would be a gubernatrix? Same declension as administrator / administratrix.

  91. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    'oddly' Satanic? I'd say it's right on theme.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly. That’s why it’s so nails on chalkboard for all these trendy churches to whore themselves out for Pride whatever the purported purpose.

    See the Franz Ferdinand thread for the story on the Imperial burial liturgy.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Desiderius


    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly.
     
    I) Not only Christianity but traditional Judaism, certainly; Islam, I believe; and perhaps any number of other faiths too.

    II) Must one be at all religious or have any belief in the supernatural to see, to sense, intuitively, a distinct, rather abject unwholesomeness to these sordid, lurid spectacles? A dark, unsavory, sinister, downright frightful character to them?

    III) Clearly, there are ample compelling arguments that are universal and entirely rational, logical, empirical and evidence-based against the normalization and certainly celebration and promotion of what are objectively insalubrious behaviors and lifestyles.

    IV) When speaking to any audience broader than one that accepts the religious and moral framing suggested by terms such as satanic, sodomitic, etc., would it not behoove us to avoid all such language and fashion of argument, and to instead limit ourselves to the aformentioned objective line of argumentation, along with, perhaps, complementary appeals to universal values and sentiments?

    V) Another argument against, at least, the use of religiously-based terms such as sodomy and its variations, is the concern that these have become archaic to the point that they are unlikely to even be understood by younger, secular individuals.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  92. @Anon
    The immigrants vs. "descendants of American slaves" thing was just heating up, and now we have the lighties vs. the darkies. What's next? Hair gatekeeping? Ass size quotas?

    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background. The film's sole Black lead is portrayed by Corey Hawkins, though his character Benny is not identified as having Caribbean roots.

    Jay-Ann Lopez, founder of Black Girl Gamers, tweeted that she was tired of movies “using dark skinned afro-latinos for the backdrop.”

    Any one of those characters could have been dark skinned afro-latinos and there are plenty of qualified actors that exist especially from NY,” she wrote, tagging the film’s account. “The question for me is why are NONE of the major roles played by dark skinned afro-latinos? Like in my mind it's completely possible.”
     
    I think the main lesson from stuff like this is that, when anyone in the entire world can make cracks at you in real time, it doesn't mean you have to respond. Just ignore it. Get off social media if you need to.

    Replies: @Technite78, @donut

    Ass size quotas? We have a winner :

  93. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Let him know that most of us here at iSteve will be mas que feliz to give him his country back.
     
    Agreed.

    Our grubby little imperialist phase was quite grubby--see Philippine-American war. And has been pretty much a complete loser across the board for Americans.

    If we'd had the wisdom to simply sign whatever naval treaties were deemed necessary, in return for kicking these folks loose ... we'd have been much better off. Not even fighting the Spanish-American War would have been a fine strategy as well.

    Replies: @donut

  94. When I was living in NYC in the 90’s I met a Cuban-American woman in Washington Heights . She had a Masters degree in Biology I think it was . She was working in a genetic research lab at Columbia U. for some professor there . She said she was basically a lab tech but she needed that level of education to do the work . Her boss , the prof had told her she needed a Phd. to really get anywhere in the field and she was beginning a Phd. program at the time . I was impressed she was serious about her career not married and no boyfriend although she was an attractive woman .

  95. @S. Anonyia
    @Dumbo

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women. Many of my relatives from the stereotypical Southern Baptist side of my family couldn't stop raving with delight on Facebook when Hamilton got added to Disney Plus, so they could show it to their kids. Several of them traveled 4+ hours to go see the closest in-person showing pre-COVID.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jim Don Bob

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.

    I know exactly what you mean. Many of my rural/suburban female friends/relatives — and often the most ‘conservative’ ones — are obsessed with Hamilton.

    I’m curious how they’ll react to ‘In the Heights’ and the Juneteenth thing.

  96. @Technite78
    @Anon


    Critics accused the film of whitewashing the Washington Heights neighborhood by centering the story around light-skinned cast members and regulating dark-skinned Afro-Latinos to the background.
     
    Did the original text actually use the word "regulating" instead of "relegating"?

    LOL

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Did the original text actually use the word “regulating” instead of “relegating”?

    Maybe ‘regulating’ for ‘relegating’ is the new ‘reticent’ for ‘reluctant’.

  97. @Desiderius
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly. That's why it's so nails on chalkboard for all these trendy churches to whore themselves out for Pride whatever the purported purpose.

    See the Franz Ferdinand thread for the story on the Imperial burial liturgy.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly.

    I) Not only Christianity but traditional Judaism, certainly; Islam, I believe; and perhaps any number of other faiths too.

    II) Must one be at all religious or have any belief in the supernatural to see, to sense, intuitively, a distinct, rather abject unwholesomeness to these sordid, lurid spectacles? A dark, unsavory, sinister, downright frightful character to them?

    III) Clearly, there are ample compelling arguments that are universal and entirely rational, logical, empirical and evidence-based against the normalization and certainly celebration and promotion of what are objectively insalubrious behaviors and lifestyles.

    [MORE]

    IV) When speaking to any audience broader than one that accepts the religious and moral framing suggested by terms such as satanic, sodomitic, etc., would it not behoove us to avoid all such language and fashion of argument, and to instead limit ourselves to the aformentioned objective line of argumentation, along with, perhaps, complementary appeals to universal values and sentiments?

    V) Another argument against, at least, the use of religiously-based terms such as sodomy and its variations, is the concern that these have become archaic to the point that they are unlikely to even be understood by younger, secular individuals.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Dissident


    When speaking to any audience broader than one that accepts the religious and moral framing suggested by terms such as satanic, sodomitic, etc., would it not behoove us to avoid all such language and fashion of argument, and to instead limit ourselves to the aformentioned objective line of argumentation, along with, perhaps, complementary appeals to universal values and sentiments?
     
    No. There is nothing more objective and universal than an appeal to God(liness).
  98. I never noticed before how much Lin-Manuel “Hamilton” Miranda looks like Edward Norton.

    Perhaps in that photo. But if you watch him in the HBO His Dark Materials, he has no resemblance to Norton.

  99. Really shouldn’t let crazies on Twitter dictate whom you put in your film. Lost respect for him for that.

  100. @S. Anonyia
    @Dumbo

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women. Many of my relatives from the stereotypical Southern Baptist side of my family couldn't stop raving with delight on Facebook when Hamilton got added to Disney Plus, so they could show it to their kids. Several of them traveled 4+ hours to go see the closest in-person showing pre-COVID.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jim Don Bob

    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.

    Very true. I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Jim Don Bob


    I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

     

    If they saw it in NYC, I'll bet it was a lot more than 2K. They wouldn't even have got four tickets for that, would they?

    So far as I have heard, my midwestern Hamilton-fanatic friends couldn't afford to go to NYC to see it; they had to settle for driving to Chicago to see the version of it that played there.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jim Don Bob


    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.
     
    The fact that Pence actually showed up at a performance (and was heckled for it by the performers and the audience) says something about him that, in retrospect, isn't entirely complimentary.
  101. @Dissident
    @Desiderius


    Anyone who understands traditional Christianity knows how inimical the celebration of Pride is to anything remotely Godly.
     
    I) Not only Christianity but traditional Judaism, certainly; Islam, I believe; and perhaps any number of other faiths too.

    II) Must one be at all religious or have any belief in the supernatural to see, to sense, intuitively, a distinct, rather abject unwholesomeness to these sordid, lurid spectacles? A dark, unsavory, sinister, downright frightful character to them?

    III) Clearly, there are ample compelling arguments that are universal and entirely rational, logical, empirical and evidence-based against the normalization and certainly celebration and promotion of what are objectively insalubrious behaviors and lifestyles.

    IV) When speaking to any audience broader than one that accepts the religious and moral framing suggested by terms such as satanic, sodomitic, etc., would it not behoove us to avoid all such language and fashion of argument, and to instead limit ourselves to the aformentioned objective line of argumentation, along with, perhaps, complementary appeals to universal values and sentiments?

    V) Another argument against, at least, the use of religiously-based terms such as sodomy and its variations, is the concern that these have become archaic to the point that they are unlikely to even be understood by younger, secular individuals.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    When speaking to any audience broader than one that accepts the religious and moral framing suggested by terms such as satanic, sodomitic, etc., would it not behoove us to avoid all such language and fashion of argument, and to instead limit ourselves to the aformentioned objective line of argumentation, along with, perhaps, complementary appeals to universal values and sentiments?

    No. There is nothing more objective and universal than an appeal to God(liness).

  102. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    @Travis

    As baseball got taken over by Domincans, its not been a turn off to white Americans. Why? Because Dominicans act professional, friendly, jovial, and happy to be making millions of dollars playing a kids game. I have yet to hear of a Domincan millionaire ball player bitching about racism or whining that racism was holding him down.

    Contrast that with black NBA players, who whine about racism as they rake in millions and nail white groupies and have all their various crimes covered up by the ((media)).

    If we could trade all American blacks for Dominicans we'd be much better off as a country.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In other words, they act like blacks used to behave. You’re very optimistic if you think this is going to last forever.

  103. H/T:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    >children are made to cry in self-hate exercises
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >history, erased
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >a record number of French churches burn
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >women are told they should be believed -- with one exception
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >the star of "Bachelor Party" and "Volunteers" is singled out for insufficient revolutionary consciousness
    THIS AGGRESSION SHALL NOT STAND

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @MEH 0910

    Tom Hanks is an actor.
    He is playing a role in just another production.
    Same as when he tested positive for the scamdemic, then dutifully self isolated himself and his partner, just when they needed to raise the Public's awareness about Covidiocy.
    Never worry about someone like Tom Hanks.

  104. @Anonymous
    White cops jog behind black perp with HBD knowledge (gained on the job?) that perp’s West Africans genes will prevent him from running very far.

    https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1402262299356930049?s=20

    Replies: @Alfa158, @ScarletNumber, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad, @mmack, @Negrolphin Pool

    Cops shouldn’t try to outjog joggers, the ultimate message of “Training Day”.

  105. @J.Ross
    Aren't boricua part black?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ray Caruso, @Swamp Fox

    Yes but they can swim.

  106. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Deggans/status/1404088373032198146

    H/T:
    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1404492958649421824

    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1404705219670204418

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse

    >children are made to cry in self-hate exercises
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >history, erased
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >a record number of French churches burn
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >women are told they should be believed — with one exception
    SHUT UP NAZI
    >the star of “Bachelor Party” and “Volunteers” is singled out for insufficient revolutionary consciousness
    THIS AGGRESSION SHALL NOT STAND

  107. @Jim Don Bob
    @S. Anonyia


    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.
     
    Very true. I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Johann Ricke

    I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

    If they saw it in NYC, I’ll bet it was a lot more than 2K. They wouldn’t even have got four tickets for that, would they?

    So far as I have heard, my midwestern Hamilton-fanatic friends couldn’t afford to go to NYC to see it; they had to settle for driving to Chicago to see the version of it that played there.

  108. @Steve Sailer
    @Travis

    Lin-Manuel Mirana comes from a leading family of Puerto Rican nationalists.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @ic1000, @James Forrestal, @SaneClownPosse

    Of course, he comes from a leading family, everyone in media, arts, politics, finance, et al, that is promoted, is descended from a few ultra wealthy, ruling, multi-generational, interrelated families.

  109. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Deggans/status/1404088373032198146

    H/T:
    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1404492958649421824

    https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1404705219670204418

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse

    Tom Hanks is an actor.
    He is playing a role in just another production.
    Same as when he tested positive for the scamdemic, then dutifully self isolated himself and his partner, just when they needed to raise the Public’s awareness about Covidiocy.
    Never worry about someone like Tom Hanks.

  110. @Jim Don Bob
    @S. Anonyia


    Sadly his stuff is weirdly popular among 25-50 year old conservative suburban women.
     
    Very true. I know a woman from flyover country who flew herself and 3 teenagers to NYC to see Hamilton. The weekend trip must have cost them upwards of $2k.

    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Johann Ricke

    The appeal of this drivel to anybody mystifies me. You would have to pay me to watch it.

    The fact that Pence actually showed up at a performance (and was heckled for it by the performers and the audience) says something about him that, in retrospect, isn’t entirely complimentary.

  111. @Prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    That's so funny I forgot how to laugh!

    Keyboard warriors who first-name women while last-naming men in the same context are too clueless to realize that doing so makes *everyone* a loser. It infantilizes women while dehumanizing men. Oh, contrary to popular belief, when a man infantilizes a woman it does NOT make it more likely that she will drop her panties for him.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AnotherDad, @anon, @obwandiyag, @Daniel H, @kaganovitch, @James Forrestal

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