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NYT columnist Tom Edsall writes:

Can Hillary Manage Her Unruly Coalition?

Thomas B. Edsall AUG. 18, 2016

Two adjoining communities — Baltimore City and Baltimore County — show us how hard it is for the Democratic Party to reconcile the interests of its upscale wing with those of its lower-income wing.

For more than half a century, there has been sustained tension between Baltimore County, which is 62.8 percent white and has a median household income of $68,156, and Baltimore city, which is 62.9 percent African-American and has a median household income of $42,579.

… In 1992, in the wake of an influx of educated, higher income professionals, immigrants and minorities, the county began to trend Democratic. In this respect, the county has followed in the path of dense, close-in suburbs across the nation. In 2012, Barack Obama crushed Mitt Romney 220,322 to 154,908 in Baltimore County.

Baltimore city, on the other hand, never stopped being a Democratic bastion and this continued in 2012, when city voters supported Obama over Romney 221,478 to 28,171.

Even though both the city and the county currently have working Democratic majorities, they represent two different factions of the party. The tensions between the two Maryland jurisdictions, city and county, reflect in microcosm the larger social and economic issues the Clinton campaign faces nationally and which any Democratic White House is sure to face going forward.

At the moment, one of the major sources of conflict between Baltimore city and Baltimore County is the issue of affordable housing.

On Dec. 12, the Baltimore Sun published a 6,100 word story — quite long for a newspaper — by Doug Donovan that describes how the city Housing Authority, complying with a federal court order, has been quietly buying homes over the past decade in prosperous suburbs to use as public housing.

The intensity of the conflict between city and county interests was reflected in the covert tactics used by the city to provide housing for low-income residents on a regional basis, outside city limits.

“We did it very much under the radar,” Amy Wilkinson, the city authority’s fair housing director told The Sun. “We met very early on with the county executives. They understood we had to do it. Their request was to make sure [the homes] are really scattered and make sure we do it quietly.”

The city hired a nonprofit developer, Homes for America, to make the purchases on its behalf. The contract specified that the firm make sure that the acquired homes not be “identifiable as subsidized housing to minimize objections from the surrounding community.”

The program has not been cheap: $19 million to purchase nearly 60 homes, all but 12 outside city limits, and annual rent subsidies of $51 million in 2015 alone. The Sun reported that almost all the beneficiaries are African-American families headed by single mothers.

The reaction to the Sun story was immediate. “City housing program stirs fears in Baltimore County,” Donovan wrote in a follow-up piece.

Veronica Walters, 73, who lives in Catonsville, a middle class, largely white Baltimore County neighborhood with a median household income of $77,165, told Donovan. “We have worked for years in order to have a house in the county, and the government is pushing people out here,” she said, before adding:

“They don’t deserve to have what my family worked hard for. It’s a shame we didn’t know about this ahead of time. I would have been right there protesting.”

I asked Donovan about the response to his story. He wrote back:

“The reaction from many was outright racist. From phone calls to emails to comments on the article. Baltimore County has avoided any substantive adherence to the Fair Housing Act for decades and is only now being held accountable by HUD, but just barely.”

Having the government drop a welfare mother and her brood on your block might not damage your long term property values … or it might devastate them if your block tips black.

In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed.

Earlier this month, the anger among residents of the county over the surreptitious expansion into the county of the city’s public housing program emerged in force.

On Aug. 1, the County Council voted 6 to 1 against legislation that would have required landlords to accept federal subsidized Section 8 vouchers as payment for rent.

A caller to a Baltimore talk radio show, identified only as “Horace,” reflected the hostility of white county residents to the Section 8 program. “That is one of the worst programs, this voucher program, because I know personally that a lot of these young ladies have 5, 6 kids,” Horace said, according to an audio tape of the show. “They destroy neighborhoods, look at Liberty Road. They destroy neighborhoods, all up and down Liberty Road.” Liberty Road is a main artery that runs from the city into the county.

“What I really took away from this was the fact that in order to get subsidized housing into the suburbs, you have to be sneaky about it,” Robert Strupp, the executive director of Baltimore Neighborhoods Inc., a liberal fair housing advocacy group, told The Sun:

“Because if they found out about it in advance, they wouldn’t let it happen. That’s the sign to me that discrimination still exists. It’s classic Nimbyism. That’s today’s reality just as it was in the 1950s and 1960s.” …

A general problem faced by liberal social policies is that they are all based on 1960s assumptions about the immense size of the white Baby Boom majority into which minority problem people can be diluted at little harm to individual members of the majority.

The fundamental problem with progressive social policies in 2016 is that the country is running out of white kids to use to absorb the problems of minority kids.

We could charitably call this the Tragic Paradox of Liberalism: the liberal solution has always been to integrate the problem minorities with the majority, but to get the political power to do that, liberals have systematically set about reducing the majority to a minority, which means that their traditional solutions won’t work anymore, even in theory.

The flare-up over affordable housing in Baltimore County is just the kind of controversy Democratic Party leaders dread because it pits Democrats against Democrats. And it is also just the kind of controversy Republicans thrive upon, as exemplified by Donald Trump’s speech Tuesday night in West Bend, Wisconsin, a white community 40 miles north of Milwaukee, where police have been battling rioters.

Trump told his supporters that Clinton is “peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society” and shares “responsibility for the unrest.” Trump went even further:

“She is against the police, believe me. You know it and I know it, and guess what? She knows it.”

The problems for Democrats on matters of race and housing subsidies are not confined to Baltimore. In Westchester County, just north of New York City, an ongoing battle over the court-ordered construction of affordable housing has played a key role in the election and re-election of a Republican county executive — in a suburban jurisdiction that, in presidential elections, has become increasingly Democratic.

It is this kind of conflict that the Clinton campaign is determined to avoid. Clinton’s staff has repeatedly declined requests for her views on assertive government policies that require suburbs to provide affordable housing for those with low or moderate incomes.

Such policies include court orders under the Fair Housing Act of 1968, along with enforcement of the June 2015 Housing and Urban Development regulation known as the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule, which mandates that local governments produce plans providing for increased integration by race and class.

As she attempts to draw votes from both of these wings of the Democratic Party, Clinton has good reason for caution. The town of Chappaqua in Westchester County, where the Clintons own a home, happens to be located in the midst of an affordable housing conflict I have written about before.

Rob Astorino, the Republican county executive, takes great joy in capitalizing on the issue. In July 2015, Astorino pointedly held a news conference in front of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s home, using affordable housing as a political cudgel to demand:

“Now, I have a question for Hillary Clinton, who’s in her home today right behind me: does she think she lives in a discriminatory town? I don’t. Does she think that the Obama administration is being very unfair in attacking her own community? I do. But we need to know where Hillary Clinton stands on this issue and she needs to speak up today.”

Clinton did not respond, nor did she reply to requests for local comment from the Westchester media.

There is no way the Clinton campaign wants housing integration to become a central issue of the 2016 campaign. …

In its position paper — the “Breaking Every Barrier Agenda” — the Clinton campaign refers to potentially controversial housing policies in carefully chosen language:

“Clinton will increase support for affordable rental housing in the areas that need it most and encourage communities to implement land use strategies that make it easier to build affordable rental housing near good jobs.”

In an essay recently published on the CNN website, “How To Make Housing Fair in America,” Senator Tim Kaine, Clinton’s running mate, was somewhat more explicit:

“We’ll increase rental assistance for low-income families, and help families who receive support choose from a wide range of neighborhoods to live in.”

I asked Paul Jargowsky, a professor of public policy at Rutgers who has studied housing segregation, to assess the Clinton proposal. He replied by email that he generally agreed with most of the Clinton platform, but:

“The agenda as stated does not address the fundamental problem that is at the root of the concentration of poverty — the ability of local governments to effectively exclude lower-income people from their communities through zoning and restrictive land use policies.”

The controversies generated by the Trump campaign have pushed offstage many of the conflicts that divide the contemporary upstairs-downstairs Democratic coalition, including housing integration. But the Republican Party has been most successful when it has been able to drive a wedge between competing Democratic constituencies, each with its own legitimate interest — tax payers versus tax beneficiaries, voters who resent the regulatory power of government versus voters who welcome it, environmentalists versus the construction trades, those seeking autonomy and self-expression versus those struggling paycheck to paycheck; investors and property owners versus those without wealth or assets.

Every recent Democratic president, from Jimmy Carter through Bill Clinton to Barack Obama, has fought to hold this bifurcated coalition together.

Insofar as the Democratic Party is no longer a class-based alliance with common economic goals, how can it resolve the conflicts between its more privileged and less privileged wings? …

The question is what binds these two groups together in a single party, and is the bond strong enough for that party to endure and prevail?

The answer appears to be: pretty much the same thing that keeps people on the same page in 1984: having to somebody to hate. Instead of hating Emmanuel Goldstein, Democrats are constantly reminded to hate Haven Monahan.

 
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  1. The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this “problem” and Republicans don’t is because Republicans don’t care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It’s the Republicans who have a problem. They don’t care about Black voters because Black voters don’t vote for them because they don’t care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans’ answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    @Tiny Duck

    Democrats do not care about the poor. They just want to virtue signal about how compassionate they are towards the poor. Democrats never reflect on the negative impact their policies have on the very people they are supposedly trying to help.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Chase
    @Tiny Duck

    This is true. I don't give one flying fuck about what happens to black inner city people. They are not my people, you see. And as long as they ask me for nothing, I would be willing to leave them alone. But as they've demonstrated, they just can't do that.

    And tell me why should I care about what happens to inner city blacks when Democrats gleefully brag about the fact that they are relegating Whites to a minority in the country they forged out of wilderness? No, I have my side. I choose Whites. I choose my people. I choose my ancestors and I will work for my descendants. I will no longer take responsibility for the physically impossible task of turning black people into White people. I agree with you 100% and look forward to the day that all White people realize that Democrats hate them, their culture and their success. Then we can work together as one people on rebuilding our fracturing civilization. Rome fell, and 1.5 millennia later, White people were walking on the moon. I can't wait to see what my progeny do together in the future.

    , @MC
    @Tiny Duck

    LOL, Hillary cares about the poor the way that Cruella cared about the Dalmatians.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Tiny Duck


    "The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor ... "
     
    LOL Duck! I agree the Democrats care about the inner city poor ... they care that the poor vote for Democrats!

    Rahm Emanuel cares so darn much about Chicago's blacks that he's torn down their homes and sent them to live in thriving dynamic Dubuque!

    Bill and Hillary love blacks so much that upon leaving the White House in 2001, when they could live *anywhere* in the entire nation, they chose ... Chappaqua NY, less than 1% black.

    Yes, the Democrats do care about black votes and hope that blacks keep feeling like they are dependent on the Democrats and keep voting for Democrats. But when it comes to whether they want to live around the "inner city poor"--the issue in question here--they are indistinguishable from David Duke.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Tiny Duck


    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor ...
     
    I'm going to answer you more seriously here Duck--though white Democrats' lack of desire to live around blacks is certainly serious.

    If the Democrats care about the inner city poor--i.e. inner city poor blacks--what are the most important public policies that would actually help them?

    It isn't actually moving them out of their communities to white neighborhoods. This is great virtue signalling and a nice annoyance of the wrong sort of white people. But the results show that this doesn't do much for blacks--helps a few, most are unhappy. The blacks moved often miss their friends and relatives that they often rely on--being usually single moms--for childcare and the life. And these neighborhoods are setup for people with reliable cars and often lack the job opportunities that mesh with the blacks' skill set. (Is Dubuque really a better place for a black to live, or to find a job than Chicago?)

    The two most important public policy initiatives that would help inner city blacks:

    1) Stop mass low skill immigration.
    Far and away #1. We need to stop giving low skill American jobs away to foreigners and leave them for our low-skilled Americans.

    The Democrats oppose this. Hillary in fact, vows to stop enforcement, and essentially adopt a quasi--if you can get in you're safe--open border.

    2) Crush inner city crime.
    A safe neighborhood is just way more pleasant and allows folks to lead more orderly lives. High crime is also the #1 reason for non-investment in black areas. Most whites don't actually hate blacks (at least most whites that haven't been victimized) and would actually like to see them do well (nationalism--fellow citizens and all that). However, whites don't want to venture, nor make business investments in areas that are violent and disordered. So the #2 most important public policy initiative would be a full court press--take no prisoners (actually take a lot of prisoners!), zero tolerance, round up all the bad guys--on inner city crime.

    The Democrats oppose this, what spent the last two years mau-mauing that blacks are oppressed by the police all to gin up\keep up black voting. They've actually managed to make the inner city *more* violent, and less worth investing and creating jobs in. But hey, maybe they'll still keep black turnout high ... and that's what really matters.

    ~~
    So there you go Duck. The two most important policies i can think of for actually aiding inner city blacks and the Democrats want the exact reverse. But ... hey, the "care".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Big Bill
    @Tiny Duck

    I would disagree, Mr. Duck. The Democrats (the Talented Tenth, at least) don't really care. They moved out to Baltimore County to live with the white folks in safety instead of improving the lives of their own people and making their own communities better.

    And now they taste the bitter pill that comes with Black Flight: it is only temporary. They are now rejoined by the very black folks they were escaping.

    , @George Strong
    @Tiny Duck

    You leftists always lie. Unfortunately, the GOP hasn't disenfranchised blacks, as they should. But why should any white man care about blacks? They are destroying our cvilization.

    , @ronehjr
    @Tiny Duck

    Most republicans do not care about black voters because black voters do not care about themselves, and not only do not care about white voters, actually hate white voters.

    , @ATX Hipster
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck going off script and embarrassing his co-host Mike Myers:

    https://youtu.be/zIUzLpO1kxI?t=93

    , @boogerbently
    @Tiny Duck

    Ha, Ha, Ha,
    Good one, Tiny Duck.
    You were just trolling....right ?

    The Dems "care" so much about minorities that they are increasing immigrants by a factor of 5.
    Ones that take brown and black jobs, relegate women to houseplant status, and throw LGBTQxyz off the roof.

    True love.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny, I wished that the mothers and absent fathers of the majority of the children benefiting from these HUD programs cared as much as you do. That would go a long way toward solving most of the problems in black communities. Notice that the annual housing subsidies in this story are $51 million per year.

    , @Lurker
    @Tiny Duck


    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged
     
    Lulzzz!

    Final proof of the need to ignore Tiny Dick.

    But before I do, care to explain how mass immigration helps the inner city poor, the homeless, the unemployed?

    ?

    That's what I thought. . .

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    That's probably the most blatantly ignorant post I've read all day. Yeah, Dems cared so much for minorities that they were the ones who were against equal opportunity way back in the day; and when their liberal policies are carried out, the ones that lead to the most destruction of the black community- welfare dependency, crime rates, children born out of wedlock, drug use, you name it.

    That being said, why should anyone bend over backwards for minorities? They're people, too, and they're people causing more trouble, and contributing less positive in return. If a coworker in your unit at your job slacks off a lot when work needs to be done and steals peoples' lunches, should people in other units whine and blame you when you want to avoid working with him?

    Why the hell should I care that people don't want to live around blacks when they commit vastly more crime, especially serious crimes like murder and rape? That's a natural, sane response. And if it means that peaceful blacks are viewed with suspicion, they should be getting angry at their fellow blacks out causing so much trouble rather than blaming whites. Getting angry at whites in this situation would be like getting angry at women for wanting to carry small mace canisters in their purse and walk in groups at night when traveling around in big cities.

    Replies: @JSM

  2. Hillary Clinton will likely be able to coordinate the “wings” of her own party and loft to victory in November. Recent steady polls show her far ahead in many of the so-called swing states.

    Why is she soaring? Because if any not-quite-white American citizen listens to Trump and watches his rallies, that person soon learns frightening lessons about the authoritarian, racist, belligerent GOP, which has chosen this mean, incompetent man as its standard

    I am not a Republican and do aspire to become better. Ready to pay taxes. Ready to vote for any rep who acknowledges global warming, supports women’s rights to contraception and abortion, acknowleges LGBT citizens as full citizens, espouses sensible gun-control measures, and understands that too many children in the US are being crushed by poverty.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck


    supports women’s rights to contraception and abortion
     
    Tiny Duck, you are someone who is on the record for supporting the "rape" of white women by men of color. Are you only for contraception and abortion rights for women of color, and against contraception and abortion rights for white women?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Olorin

    , @AndrewR
    @Tiny Duck

    TinybDuck, you are really upping your game. Bravo.

  3. Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    @Tiny Duck

    Welfare queens with multiple children from unknown fathers, NAMBLA child molesters, the bottom-feeders of the plaintiffs bar, race-batters like Al Sharpton and William Barber, grifters like Bubba Clinton and his wife The Harpy, union thugs like Trumka, true commies like the Kenyan...

    What is it that holds this disparate and poisonous coalition of the Ruling Class and their oppressed voters together?

    It is the love of Big Government power and the attendant ability to extract wealth from real Americans and redistribute it in large chunks of cash to the Ruling Class (e.g. massive contributions to the Clinton Foundation) and small bricks of that sweet, sweet government cheese to faithful but dimwitted Democrat voters, like Tiny D*ck here.

    , @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck

    Previous Tiny Duck comment:


    Clinton is just another white politician. People of Color are better public servants because they are warmer and like to help people. Think about Obama and his efforts to save the country. Congress blocked him but he had great ideas. Hopefully on the future when demographics change whites will be effectively barred from holding office
     

    Replies: @Kyle a

    , @syonredux
    @Tiny Duck

    Top-notch SJW parody. Bravo.

    , @IHTG
    @Tiny Duck

    Now you're being spammy too. That kind of ruins it, bro.

    , @King George III
    @Tiny Duck

    And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Ah yes, bound together by the common hatred of your betters.

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    I suggest you go to a Trump rally and a Hillary rally, then report back who is more tolerant.

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck


    .... and it has given us empathy.

     
    Ahhhh....the empathy...the empathy! So much empathy!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/19/evil-at-its-finest-teenager-arrested-for-killing-burning-body-of-85-year-old-korean-war-vet/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/good-samaritan-killed-after-helping-pull-suv-from-ditch/2016/08/16/2589c6d8-63bb-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html
    , @Olorin
    @Tiny Duck

    You need to get out more. Or get a job or something.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Tiny Duck

    Unfortunately, you liberals are very intolerant towards the police but very tolerant towards black criminals - as long as those criminals don't live in your neighborhoods.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Tiny Duck

    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @yowza
    @Tiny Duck


    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.
     
    I think there’s more than a few liberal democrats who are outcasts for very good reason, and democrats will never learn that sometimes intolerance is not only a good thing, it’s essential to modern civilization:

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-convicted-again-for-selling-animal-7940797.php#photo-4511542
  4. If Republicans were smart they would enforce these policies in liberal states when the republicans are in charge. They could drive this wedge themselves, but Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor.

    • Replies: @Yo Trump
    @Polynikes

    Yes, that was another Bush big policy: No Homebuyer Left Behind.

    , @Chase
    @Polynikes

    Republicans have never felt comfortable pushing wedge issues on democrats because it feels unsporting or something.

    Reason #1,052 for the rise of Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @George
    @Polynikes

    " Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor"

    Bush was focused on the war on terror and increasing immigration. Housing policy was just used to keep people either distracted or supporting the war. Poverty housing programs go along with wars, it is just like Vietnam/Great Society.

    , @Bill P
    @Polynikes

    Totally agree. I think liberals should bathe in their own policies.

    But the problem is that Northern Republicans have always been willing to bail them out. They'll swoop in to the rescue and take the sting out of it for their upper middle class constituencies in blue state suburbs. These are the never Trump Republicans, and their day has come and gone. I don't really like Trump, but I appreciate what he's done to weaken that faction. I really, truly am grateful for that. It's time to put these Republicans in a political nursing home.

    Only then can we deal with the Democrat Huns.

  5. “Rowhouses dominate Baltimore city’s urban core — many decaying and at least 16,000 vacant and uninhabitable;…”

    Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn’t that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment? How many homes could be refurbished for $19 million? Of course these are unimportant questions. The real one is: What’s the commission on $19 million in home sales? It’s not like they were going to negotiate a discount.

    On a bright note the “non-profit” has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Louis Renault


    On a bright note the “non-profit” has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.
     
    Non-profit yet guaranteed to never go out of business. What a racket and their executives salaries are quite profitable! And they are all connected Democrat hacks and their hangers on.
    , @Jack Hanson
    @Louis Renault

    I have friends who made a great deal of money ripping the guts out of homes in Baltimore for remodeling, but this was back in 2007 or so. Might as well be a different world at this point. I had just gotten out of the Army and needed some work, so I went with them for a few times and made about $300 to $400 daily. The work was hard, and I was told to bring a pistol with me, "just in case" as three of us are white and the fourth is a black guy. Once we arrived at the first job site, I understood why we were being paid so much considering that if "just in case" ever arrived, we were screwed good and hard. Middle of an urban maze with drug deals down the street and all the other stories you hear about Baltimore.

    I worked intermittently with them through the winter but the reality was that something about all the rubble, the hostile glaring, doing everything with a firearm was too much like Iraq for me, and I stopped once I got another job.

    , @Cletus Rothschild
    @Louis Renault

    "Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn’t that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment?"

    This is brilliant. It's a real-world example of the Golden Gate Bridge myth that says that they have to start painting it again as soon as it's finished. In this case, they could have workers renovating all 16,000 houses and as soon as they're done, they'd start back at the beginning because by then the tenants will have ruined them. Perpetual employment.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One of Trump’s advisors is an anti-Semite and Holocaust denier:

    ” Trump Foreign Policy Adviser: The Holocaust Ovens Were ‘Too Small To Kill 6 Million Jews’ ”

    http://uproxx.com/news/trump-foreign-policy-adviser-holocaust-ovens-too-small/

    Among other things, Schmitz apparently bragged about firing, or pushing out, Jewish employees:

    “His summary of his tenure’s achievement reported as ‘…I fired the Jews,’ ” wrote Meyer, a former official in the Pentagon inspector general’s office whose grievance was obtained by McClatchy.

    Meyer himself didn’t actually hear or see any direct evidence of Schmitz’s comments. They were actually observed by John Crane, a former Pentagon official, who reported such things as the former DD official’s opinion on whether or not the Holocaust was all that bad:

    “In his final days, he allegedly lectured Mr. Crane on the details of concentration camps and how the ovens were too small to kill 6 million Jews,” wrote Meyer.

  7. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Welfare queens with multiple children from unknown fathers, NAMBLA child molesters, the bottom-feeders of the plaintiffs bar, race-batters like Al Sharpton and William Barber, grifters like Bubba Clinton and his wife The Harpy, union thugs like Trumka, true commies like the Kenyan…

    What is it that holds this disparate and poisonous coalition of the Ruling Class and their oppressed voters together?

    It is the love of Big Government power and the attendant ability to extract wealth from real Americans and redistribute it in large chunks of cash to the Ruling Class (e.g. massive contributions to the Clinton Foundation) and small bricks of that sweet, sweet government cheese to faithful but dimwitted Democrat voters, like Tiny D*ck here.

  8. The answer appears to be: pretty much the same thing that keeps people on the same page in 1984: having to somebody to hate.

    And Edsall is the first one in line to make sure they hate the right people: the horrible whites who vote for Trump. In his very last column, he produces Science that shows they are all Authoritarians longing for their Fuhrer:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/opinion/campaign-stops/the-eternal-return-of-unenlightened-despotism.html

    Of course, Science isn’t allowed to talk about any unsavory proclivities in the downstairs part of the Democratic coalition, because that would be racist.

    Edsall is just another one of these quacks of the left who cultivate a malady and then conspicuously wring their hands over how the disease never seems to go away.

  9. @Tiny Duck
    Hillary Clinton will likely be able to coordinate the "wings" of her own party and loft to victory in November. Recent steady polls show her far ahead in many of the so-called swing states.

    Why is she soaring? Because if any not-quite-white American citizen listens to Trump and watches his rallies, that person soon learns frightening lessons about the authoritarian, racist, belligerent GOP, which has chosen this mean, incompetent man as its standard


    I am not a Republican and do aspire to become better. Ready to pay taxes. Ready to vote for any rep who acknowledges global warming, supports women's rights to contraception and abortion, acknowleges LGBT citizens as full citizens, espouses sensible gun-control measures, and understands that too many children in the US are being crushed by poverty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @AndrewR

    supports women’s rights to contraception and abortion

    Tiny Duck, you are someone who is on the record for supporting the “rape” of white women by men of color. Are you only for contraception and abortion rights for women of color, and against contraception and abortion rights for white women?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @MEH 0910

    Tiny Duck is a troll. I just skip past his stuff. If you feed him he'll keep coming back. He's more than likely some fat, pimply, unpopular teenager with poor personal hygiene, not even smart enough to get into his local nerd clique, and desperately seeking the attention of human beings.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    , @Olorin
    @MEH 0910

    TD works for a pro-Hillary PR firm in California.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  10. >About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.<

    eff you clowns

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/speech-on-the-occasion-of-the-one-hundred-and-fiftieth-anniversary-of-the-declaration-of-independence/

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @newrouter

    Otherwise known as the "It's the Current Year!" fallacy, set in 1926.

    I don't see why we should let bad ideas from the Enlightenment's 18th Century pseudoscience stay grandfathered in just because of the way we learned American history in school. If these ideas clearly don't work after several generations, we need to discard them and look around for alternatives, even dusting off traditional beliefs that the Founding Fathers abandoned because they bought into the Enlightenment's propaganda to discredit them. Healthy white societies in the second half of this century and beyond might look more like white societies before the Enlightenment than like extrapolations or parodies of current and suicidal progressive abominations.

  11. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Democrats do not care about the poor. They just want to virtue signal about how compassionate they are towards the poor. Democrats never reflect on the negative impact their policies have on the very people they are supposedly trying to help.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @TheBoom

    Tiny Duck: are you African-American? If not, do you nonetheless live in a majority-black neighborhood? If not, why not, oh virtuous one?

    Do you have children of school age? If so, do you send them to a school with a majority or near-majority of black "students"? If not, why not?

    Seems I've asked you these questions like these before and not received an answer.

    When you actually put your own life, one of your biggest investments (your home), and the lives and minds of your children at direct severe risk, then you might have a shred of credibility to lecture the rest of us.

    Somehow I don't think you are yet a mature normal adult man, i.e., it doesn't seem that you have managed to get yourself and do the very hard, rewarding and essential work of raising children.

  12. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Previous Tiny Duck comment:

    Clinton is just another white politician. People of Color are better public servants because they are warmer and like to help people. Think about Obama and his efforts to save the country. Congress blocked him but he had great ideas. Hopefully on the future when demographics change whites will be effectively barred from holding office

    • Replies: @Kyle a
    @MEH 0910

    Why do you even respond to this poorly constructed individual?

  13. Speaking of Trump, he seems to be going for a kindler, gentler image:

    “Sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that,” the GOP nominee, reading from prepared text, said at a rally in Charlotte, N.C. “And believe it or not, I regret it — and I do regret it — particularly where it may have caused personal pain.”

    He added that, “Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues.” As the crowd cheered, Trump pledged to “always tell you the truth.”

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article96342552.html

    Precisely because he’s Trump, he can apologize like this without seeming weak. Nixon going to China.

    I have a feeling this might be a very effective political move, especially when combined with a renewed focus on the issues. I’ve always thought they were his greatest political asset.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    One thing that's surprising about Trump's expressed regret is that it seems to go in the direction opposite from what one would expect with the new Breitbart campaign management. I guess I anticipated a more personally aggressive approach.

    But the move strikes me as exactly the right sort of thing to do for Trump. It's obviously taken everybody by surprise. The Hillary camp (which is of course just about everybody in the elite) is now going to be desperate to explain to the public how Adolph Trump might say things so, well, humble, self-critical, and (dare I say it?) sensitive. It's become a story unto itself, which is more great and positive publicity for Trump.

    Replies: @Ivy

  14. If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama’s fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he’ll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.

    • LOL: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Dave Pinsen

    We could probably round up many iSteve readers to help with those moves. I'd love to make Chappaqua more vibrant.

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @Dave Pinsen

    I would like to see public housing restricted to Democrat districts so they can feel the full embrace of diversity. I also would love to see Trump site a public housing project directly next door to the hypocritical Obamas.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama’s fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he’ll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.
     
    Dave, you beat me to writing the comment, but i had a similar thought months back, when Section 8 was rearing it's ugly head.

    Republicans should just pass an amendment that all Section 8 goes only into districts of representatives who vote for it, and the precincts within those districts that voted for the representative. (Part of the Republican caucus can abstain to allow the bill to pass if that's the desire--but only enough to force all Democrats to vote it.) This is the kind fight the Republicans could have that would be worth a budget fight and "government shutdown" nonsense. It's an issue that can be described very clearly and viscerally. And it's about choice: "communities that do not want to have Section 8 don't have to have it".

    Count me--hey i'm hear on iSteve--as one of those conservative small "r" republicans that is just annoyed as hell with the both the spinelessness and stupidity of the nominal "Republican" party that is suppose to represent folks like me. Call the Democrats on there slimy b.s.--gentrification for me; section 8 for you disgusting working class white people in Ferguson.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  15. If Hillary Clinton Wins, Foundation Will Stop Accepting Foreign Donations

    Facing criticism for some of the donations given to his family’s philanthropy, Bill Clinton said on Thursday that the Clinton Foundation would no longer accept foreign or corporate money and that he would resign from its board should Hillary Clinton win the presidency.

    So if we want to make that happen, we have to elect Hillary. I guess we’re being offered a positive incentive from the Clinton campaign for a change, rather than a perverse one.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @MEH 0910

    These people are like Lucy holding that teed-up football and coaxing Charlie Brown that this time they really really really are going to let him kick it and not pull it away and watch him fall on his ass yet again.

    , @Some Economist
    @MEH 0910

    We should also expect a large decline in donations offered if she loses, I would think.

    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @MEH 0910

    If Hillary loses, the Clintons may indeed continue to allow donations by foreign interests seeking influence. But if Hillary loses, what influence will the Clintons be able to deliver with no prospects of regaining power in government? The donations of the past years could be viewed as buying options on influence for the case the Clintons regain control of the federal executive. If she fails to get elected, they expire more or less worthless. If she gets elected, they'll be priceless because they won't be making any more if the Foundation stops taking that kind of contributions.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  16. STEVE SEZ: In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed.

    Probably the blacks who _bought_ homes in Oak Park were not underclass. The Section 8 blacks are mostly underclass. It makes all the difference in the world whether the blacks next door are a family with values not so far from typical middle-class American values, or a single mom on welfare with criminal boyfriends and relatives around all the time.

    The Edsall article plays up how it’s racist for those Baltimore County whites to be upset by underclass blacks being brought into their neighborhoods. I’ll bet that there are a lot of blacks in Baltimore County who aren’t happy about the underclass influx.

    It so happens that the contrast between the blacks in Baltimore and the blacks in Baltimore County was the subject of an article by La Griffe. The numbers below are for students in public schools in Baltimore and Baltimore County.

    THE EFFECT OF URBAN FLIGHT ON IQ DISTRIBUTION

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    QUOTE:

    Baltimore is typical of many Midwestern and Northern cities, whose demographics were forever changed by the great black migration of the twentieth century. Not unexpectedly we found a cognitive discontinuity at the city line. Surprising, however, was its magnitude. Whereas suburban mean IQs (86 for blacks, 99 for whites) conform more or less to national norms, city IQs are dreadfully low. With a mean IQ of 76, inner-city blacks fall about 0.6 SD below the African American average nationally. More than a third have death-penalty immunity on grounds of mental retardation. The inner-city white mean of 86 is nearly a full standard deviation below the national white average. By this measure, whites fared worse than blacks. Both groups are seriously deficient in human capital. Neither is very employable. To compound matters, we almost certainly have overstated urban IQs. City residents constitute a low-IQ group extracted from a more cognitively representative population. Their kids, whose test scores we analyzed, should have regressed toward their racial means, i.e., toward higher IQs. That is, inner city kids are smarter than their parents. Accordingly, our estimates of inner-city IQs are best regarded as upper bounds to adult values.

    IQ hardens early in life, locking in the urban deficit. With few prospects for improvement, cities must look elsewhere for amelioration. While we all are aware of the advantages that accrue to the brightest among us, we also know that other qualities carry with them inestimable benefits. Traits like honesty, reliability, perseverance and self-discipline, when cultivated contribute to employability and to a more productive life in general. Indeed, for low-skilled jobs these latter qualities are more important than intellect. Unfortunately, casual observation finds such virtues also wanting.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Calvin Hobbes


    It makes all the difference in the world whether the blacks next door are a family with values not so far from typical middle-class American values, or a single mom on welfare with criminal boyfriends and relatives around all the time.
     
    Some difference, yes. All the difference, no. Middle class lawabiding blacks are far more likely than their white counterparts to have criminal friends and kin coming around.
  17. anon • Disclaimer says:

    A few typos, Steve:

    The fundamental (sic) problem with progressive social policies in 2016 is that the country is running out of white kids to use to absorb the problems of minority kids.

    We could charitably (sic) call this the Tragic Paradox of Liberalism: the liberal solution has always been to integrate the problem minorities with the majority, but to get the political power to do that, liberals have systematically set about reducing the majority to a minority, which means that their traditional solutions won’t work anymore, even in theory.

  18. @Louis Renault
    "Rowhouses dominate Baltimore city’s urban core — many decaying and at least 16,000 vacant and uninhabitable;..."

    Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn't that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment? How many homes could be refurbished for $19 million? Of course these are unimportant questions. The real one is: What's the commission on $19 million in home sales? It's not like they were going to negotiate a discount.

    On a bright note the "non-profit" has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson, @Cletus Rothschild

    On a bright note the “non-profit” has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.

    Non-profit yet guaranteed to never go out of business. What a racket and their executives salaries are quite profitable! And they are all connected Democrat hacks and their hangers on.

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Forget about her coalition…Hillary needs to concentrate on showing up for the rest of the campaign.

    She is off again now for three days! Media silence!

    She’s been taking long weekends off for a while now and the press just plays along.

    Hillary Clinton is very ill as she nears 70. The corruption of her ethics and the corruption of her body are the stuff of Greek tragedy.

    What a catastrophe! She’s back to the low 40’s in the polls! Double plus ungood, Winston.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Anonymous

    SHHH.

    The last thing we want is for the Dark Overlords to get nervous and take steps to demote her to the benefit of Tim Kaine.

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @Anonymous

    This issue of Hillary Clinton's health is starting to get (as Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland said) "curiouser and curiouser." The MSM may be in her purse but if they care for the well-being of this country they'd better start focusing on this issue, and fast! Though I loathe this woman frankly I hope these health issues are bogus, because if they are not then we have a problem that transcends mere politics.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @rod1963
    @Anonymous

    Of course the press will play along since they are Hillary/Establishment supporters. She could be in a coffin and they'd still spin her as a being dynamic campaigner.

    The press knows full well she's sick as they come, she shows up at a rally for 20 minutes and disappears for 2-4 days. The fact the she can barely keep her balance without props or walk up stairs without burly men assisting her is very bad news.

    Add in she can't do a press conference and we've got what amounts to a invalid running for president.

    That's the real story.

    , @Das
    @Anonymous

    As I said before, if it's true that Hillary Clinton is on her deathbed, that's the best thing that could happen to her campaign. If she dies, she's going to be replaced by the much more popular Tim Kaine.

    In fact, if I were a Democratic operative I'd be spreading the Hillary health rumors to swing voters who dislike both of the major candidates. Encourage people to vote for Hillary by explaining that she won't be around for much longer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Brutusale

  20. Baltimore County, which is 62.8 percent white…In 2012, Barack Obama crushed Mitt Romney 220,322 to 154,908 in Baltimore County.

    Interesting. Assuming (safely) that County blacks went 95% for Obama, then County whites voted like white Mississipians.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @International Jew

    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Louis Renault

  21. Instead of hating Emmanuel Goldstein, Democrats are constantly reminded to hate Haven Monahan.

    Unfortunately, Trump’s strategy, if that word can even be used, seems to be to do everything possible to audition for the role of Haven Monahan, Sr. every week, rather than making any headway on digging into these inherent fissures in the opposition.

    Even among potentially Republican-voting suburbanites, as have been the core of the Republican national constituency since the 1970s, the psychological need to virtue-signal, or at least avoid signaling obvious social taboos, is probably no less strong than among Democrats. It’s not about getting yourself and your kids away from poor, dangerous, black and brown people, it’s about “good schools,” “hard work,” “community values,” “the ownership society,” etc. The last thing middle class people with typical bourgeois concerns about respectability and social image want is to have their aspirations associated with Trumpism.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @Thomas

    You really have to wonder why we've let 12-13 percent of the population descended from African slaves turn into this permanent nuisance that spoils everyone's lives, including blacks' lives themselves.

    Replies: @Avenge Harambe, @RadicalCenter

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomas

    You must have missed Trump's last two speeches. Even his nemesis Mark Cuban praised the Thursday one.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack Hanson

  22. @newrouter
    >About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.<

    eff you clowns

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/speech-on-the-occasion-of-the-one-hundred-and-fiftieth-anniversary-of-the-declaration-of-independence/

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    Otherwise known as the “It’s the Current Year!” fallacy, set in 1926.

    I don’t see why we should let bad ideas from the Enlightenment’s 18th Century pseudoscience stay grandfathered in just because of the way we learned American history in school. If these ideas clearly don’t work after several generations, we need to discard them and look around for alternatives, even dusting off traditional beliefs that the Founding Fathers abandoned because they bought into the Enlightenment’s propaganda to discredit them. Healthy white societies in the second half of this century and beyond might look more like white societies before the Enlightenment than like extrapolations or parodies of current and suicidal progressive abominations.

  23. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    This is true. I don’t give one flying fuck about what happens to black inner city people. They are not my people, you see. And as long as they ask me for nothing, I would be willing to leave them alone. But as they’ve demonstrated, they just can’t do that.

    And tell me why should I care about what happens to inner city blacks when Democrats gleefully brag about the fact that they are relegating Whites to a minority in the country they forged out of wilderness? No, I have my side. I choose Whites. I choose my people. I choose my ancestors and I will work for my descendants. I will no longer take responsibility for the physically impossible task of turning black people into White people. I agree with you 100% and look forward to the day that all White people realize that Democrats hate them, their culture and their success. Then we can work together as one people on rebuilding our fracturing civilization. Rome fell, and 1.5 millennia later, White people were walking on the moon. I can’t wait to see what my progeny do together in the future.

  24. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama's fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he'll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Buck Turgidson, @AnotherDad

    We could probably round up many iSteve readers to help with those moves. I’d love to make Chappaqua more vibrant.

  25. @Polynikes
    If Republicans were smart they would enforce these policies in liberal states when the republicans are in charge. They could drive this wedge themselves, but Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor.

    Replies: @Yo Trump, @Chase, @George, @Bill P

    Yes, that was another Bush big policy: No Homebuyer Left Behind.

  26. @International Jew

    Baltimore County, which is 62.8 percent white...In 2012, Barack Obama crushed Mitt Romney 220,322 to 154,908 in Baltimore County.
     
    Interesting. Assuming (safely) that County blacks went 95% for Obama, then County whites voted like white Mississipians.

    Replies: @CJ

    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @CJ


    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.
     
    Catonsville has a large research university, The University of Maryland Baltimore County, which is a good school (especially in chess, where they give scholarships to international grandmasters, hence they dominate). So, as you'd expect Catonsville is a very nice suburb of Baltimore made up of highly educated liberals. It is close (borders) very nice Ellicott City and Howard County (3rd most affluent county in U.S.
    , @Louis Renault
    @CJ

    It ain't white, its SJW.

  27. @Polynikes
    If Republicans were smart they would enforce these policies in liberal states when the republicans are in charge. They could drive this wedge themselves, but Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor.

    Replies: @Yo Trump, @Chase, @George, @Bill P

    Republicans have never felt comfortable pushing wedge issues on democrats because it feels unsporting or something.

    Reason #1,052 for the rise of Trump.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Chase


    Republicans have never felt comfortable pushing wedge issues on democrats because it feels unsporting or something.
     
    They're people pleasers/apple polishers.
  28. @Thomas

    Instead of hating Emmanuel Goldstein, Democrats are constantly reminded to hate Haven Monahan.
     
    Unfortunately, Trump's strategy, if that word can even be used, seems to be to do everything possible to audition for the role of Haven Monahan, Sr. every week, rather than making any headway on digging into these inherent fissures in the opposition.

    Even among potentially Republican-voting suburbanites, as have been the core of the Republican national constituency since the 1970s, the psychological need to virtue-signal, or at least avoid signaling obvious social taboos, is probably no less strong than among Democrats. It's not about getting yourself and your kids away from poor, dangerous, black and brown people, it's about "good schools," "hard work," "community values," "the ownership society," etc. The last thing middle class people with typical bourgeois concerns about respectability and social image want is to have their aspirations associated with Trumpism.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Dave Pinsen

    You really have to wonder why we’ve let 12-13 percent of the population descended from African slaves turn into this permanent nuisance that spoils everyone’s lives, including blacks’ lives themselves.

    • Replies: @Avenge Harambe
    @advancedatheist

    Gee, it's almost like some kind of grand plan, or something.... but that would be conspiracy talk.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @advancedatheist

    Good question. Also, why are we allowing less than one half of percent of the population bombard us with demands to glorify their mental illness and propagandize our children ("transgenders")?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  29. Double add on Calvin Hobbes observation. Also that just ONE underclass, low IQ family can destroy an entire neighborhood. Since a particularly dysfunctional family will have drug dealing, friends/cousins coming over to raid/steal/home-invade the neighborhood.

    The bad news here is that those Nice White Ladies are not really homeowners, but renters in say NYC, the “hip” part of Philly (read: the White part) and so on. The virtue signaling and hipper than thou Whole Foods shoppers who own homes and townhomes are screwed.

    What do you call someone who has their entire life savings destroyed by even “Black-A-Bloc” (which would be not respectable homebuyers but extras out of the Wire).

    A Trump voter. Screw someone’s money/property and Machiavelli advised they’d sooner forgive the murder of their parents.

    Fundamentally the Democrats cannot hold their coalition together forever, any more than the old Donor-Working Class Republicans can hold theirs. The same is likely true in Germany, the only question is when and how profound the popular (German) revolt against spending everything on mass Third World Muslim immigration will be; and how decisive and deep the resulting overthrow of both the elites and removal of said immigration wave will play out.

    Democrats will *HAVE* to favor their Black underclass voters — they are their core, can’t find any employment or have any prospects of any prosperity, and will have ever greater demands for prosperity they see other people having. Meanwhile the elite hereditary Goldman-Sachs/State Dept./Clinton Foundation cronyists have to ever greater virtue signal and have, ultimately their own suburbanite liberals as Haven Monahan.

    Hillary (I certainly hope not) will likely stumble across the finish line, pushed across by the Media which Nice White Ladies and not a few Nice White men actually believe and trust. But how is she going to govern? Just with AFAH she’ll impoverish a big faction of her backers who will have no choice but to sell out at a loss and likely pay high rents for the rest of their lives; extra bitter because it won’t be covered at all in the media.

    Minnesota/Wisconsin/Iowa “nice” can only survive in a Whitopia. Take the worst urban Portlandia hipster who thought Bernie was too right wing, and plop him in New Orleans or Atlanta or Birmingham and assuming he survives, he’ll be as “racist” as your average Alabama Trump voter. Whites who live around lots of hostile non-Whites have to develop a Fight-First mentality and not much virtue signaling.

  30. @Thomas

    Instead of hating Emmanuel Goldstein, Democrats are constantly reminded to hate Haven Monahan.
     
    Unfortunately, Trump's strategy, if that word can even be used, seems to be to do everything possible to audition for the role of Haven Monahan, Sr. every week, rather than making any headway on digging into these inherent fissures in the opposition.

    Even among potentially Republican-voting suburbanites, as have been the core of the Republican national constituency since the 1970s, the psychological need to virtue-signal, or at least avoid signaling obvious social taboos, is probably no less strong than among Democrats. It's not about getting yourself and your kids away from poor, dangerous, black and brown people, it's about "good schools," "hard work," "community values," "the ownership society," etc. The last thing middle class people with typical bourgeois concerns about respectability and social image want is to have their aspirations associated with Trumpism.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Dave Pinsen

    You must have missed Trump’s last two speeches. Even his nemesis Mark Cuban praised the Thursday one.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Dave Pinsen

    I know he's "pivoting" now with the new campaign staff. It's not a moment too soon, and hopefully not a moment three months too late. The problem with politics, especially on this level, is that perceptions become hardened. The Democrats and their media shills know Alinsky's rule like a nursery rhyme: "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Dave Pinsen

    He's missed the two speeches and the fact that Trump is in a dead heat with Clinton, even in the massaged polls.

    But doom masturbation is an iSteve tradition.

  31. @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomas

    You must have missed Trump's last two speeches. Even his nemesis Mark Cuban praised the Thursday one.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack Hanson

    I know he’s “pivoting” now with the new campaign staff. It’s not a moment too soon, and hopefully not a moment three months too late. The problem with politics, especially on this level, is that perceptions become hardened. The Democrats and their media shills know Alinsky’s rule like a nursery rhyme: “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomas

    The interesting thing is he's not pivoting on any of the issues. They've always been winners for him. The pivot, such as it is, involves a soupçon of conciliatory comments, plus the discipline to stay mostly on the teleprompter. That makes the speech the news, rather than some unfortunate extemporaneous comment of Trump's the media twists into something else.

    I expect the polls to tighten over the next week.

    , @Nico
    @Thomas

    Meh, voters are ficke and a week is a long time in politics. It had become painfully obvious that Manafort was a wrong fit for Trump: he's too much of an "in-"man to suggest anything that isn't tired. Trump needed level-headed and like-minded but objective thinkers to offer constructive criticism and not change his style but rather refine what he does best.

  32. Let’s assume Trump loses, America’s demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It’s not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media’s narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Broski

    What in the world would lead you to assume that this situation will ultimately trend towards that sort of stability?

    Why, with continuing, obvious benefits for both the Democrats and big business, with Trump's anti-immigration movement broken, and the remanent of the Republican Party all too willing to sell out for "comprehensive immigration reform," would immigration enthusiasts back off?

    How would whites, who couldn't even punch their weight enough when they had a majority to keep that majority, suddenly punch above their weight?

    And which "whites?" Trump's "badwhites" will be the defeated losers of a "cold civil war" that this country is already letting die off in droves. No soup for them. Liberal "goodwhites" might survive as a sort of sub rosa minority that influences and prospers by doublethink and inside influence (like one other I might think of).

    But the underlying social and human factors remain: underclass blacks are not likely to get turned into some functioning coalition partner that won't constantly demand their endless social miseries be succored by a dwindled minority of whites in payment of historical debts. And an endless influx of immigrant groups from all over the world won't suddenly take the lesson to "play nice" once they've seen a powerful country just voluntarily surrender itself to the world.

    , @syonredux
    @Broski


    It’s not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media’s narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.
     
    Some figures to keep in mind:

    There were 55.3 million Hispanics in the United States in 2014, comprising 17.3% of the total U.S. population. In 1980, with a population of 14.8 million, Hispanics made up just 6.5% of the total U.S. population.
     

    Since 1960, the nation’s Latino population has increased nearly ninefold, from 6.3 million then to 55.3 million by 2014. It is projected to grow to 119 million by 2060, according to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau
     

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     

    Mexican-origin Hispanics have always been the largest Hispanic-origin group in the U.S. In 1860, for example, among the 155,000 Hispanics living in the U.S., 81.1% were of Mexican origin—a historic high. Since then the origins of the nation’s Hispanic population have diversified as growing numbers of immigrants from other Latin American nations and Puerto Rico settled in the U.S. For example, between 1930 and 1980, Hispanics from places other than Mexico nearly doubled their representation among U.S. Hispanics, from 22.4% to 40.6%. But with the arrival of large numbers of Mexican immigrants in the 1980s and 1990s, the Mexican share among Hispanics grew, rising to a recent peak of 65.7% in 2008 and staying about steady since then.
     
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    The Anglo-American future looks quite bleak...

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Broski

    One thing to consider: entitlements aren't segregated. White Americans aren't going to get better Medicare than non-whites. And if we keep importing poor people who are likely to stay poor (recall Steve's recent post about most legal immigrants having net worths of < $500), then we won't be able to afford the same level of benefits as now.

    Replies: @verylongaccountname, @SWVirginian

    , @Maj. Kong
    @Broski

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don't immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    There really is no way to have any kind of political symbiosis when the other side makes it clear that we should be a permanent minority without any political power.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Jack Hanson, @dfordoom

    , @verylongaccountname
    @Broski

    The rhetoric directed at whites has gotten quite extreme, and is likely to become much more so.
    Virtually all race studies programs now openly advocate genocide against whites as the only way to achieve equity. There is about a twenty year lag in these things ... the respectable opinion today was being cooked up in black studies departments twenty years ago. This will not end well, and it is not going to stabilize soon.

    , @Travis
    @Broski

    one benefit of importing 50 million immigrants since 1970, it has kept the Black population below 14% and is reducing their political power, as immigrants tend to have less compassion and have a much lower opinion of Blacks. Without the massive immigration over the last 40 years, Blacks would be closer 15% of our population today. 60% of hispanic immigrants consider themselves to be white.

    21% of hispanic females marry white men. 32% of Asian females marry white males. So it seems Blacks will remain a dysfunctional minority for the next decades. It is difficult to see how things remain constant, except Blacks will continue to be the most dysfunctional group and the white population will continue to decline. The biggest issue for whites is their declining fertility. White females in America over the last decade. Over the last 5 years more whites have died than were born. The fertility rate for Millennial whites is expected to be 1.6 , but 10% of their children will not be white. Even if immigration is stopped next year, whites will continue to see their numbers drop each and every year. The best thing that could save America would be for the white fertility to get back to replacement levels ASAP. Reducing immigration will help increase White fertility, as it will reduce the demographic pressures , enabling more areas to be suitable for white family formation. If immigration stays above 1 million per year, white fertility will stay well below replacement levels.

    Replies: @peterike

    , @Monopthalmus
    @Broski

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they'll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They'll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They'll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They'll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they'll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve's readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @ben tillman, @Lagertha, @dfordoom

  33. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, just wow. “The program has not been cheap: $19 million to purchase nearly 60 homes, all but 12 outside city limits, and annual rent subsidies of $51 million in 2015 alone.”

    These numbers are crazy. That like $325 per housing unit or home or house. I assume they are houses. And the $51 million in annual rent subsidies? Seems like their dollar would go much further in the city.

    And it isn’t like the county is lilly white …. 37% non white, per the article. There is a black middle class and I can’t see blacks who have moved out of the city thinking this is such a great idea either.

    I will note that both Baltimore and Chicago seem to have gentrified and re-segregated some neighborhoods by income. So it isn’t like people with upper middle incomes are going to tolerate social deviance.

    The University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins both have their own ‘safety and security’ / police. Interestingly enough, the U of C police patrol more than the campus .. a lot more. Including Obama’s neighborhood of Kenwood. The mostly elderly black residents love the U of C cops. But the local teens feel ‘uncomfortable’ even walking through Hyde Park.

    I have had the experience of a relatively large black guy ‘welcoming’ me by inquiring if I needed directions. I think I actually did, so it was helpful. He was a 40ish, neatly dressed guy. The central campus is hard to navigate due to one way streets and few entrances. I have never been there are always police cars patrolling. http://chicagomaroon.com/2016/08/17/ucpd-to-increase-number-of-officers-on-patrol-by-28-percent/

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1cMjICi5RgpG2AEcCWfElMNwuBFw&hl=en_US

    It is impossible to get Section 8 housing vouchers in the city. Every couple of years they have a lottery to get on the waiting list.

    “WAITING LIST

    When a family wishes to receive assistance, the family must submit an application, when the wait list lottery is open. CHA randomly selects applicants and assigns them a position on the wait list. Generally, when a voucher becomes available, the next family at the top of the waiting list is contacted and screened for eligibility. Currently CHA’s Waiting List is closed. CHA will provide notice through a variety of media outlets when it reopens.”

    “The housing choice voucher program is a rental assistance program designed to provide subsidy in the private rental market. Typical private market rental management practices by owners are encouraged, including screening voucher holders for their suitability as tenants. ”

    This stuff is enforced as much as it is enforced. At least in theory, anyone with a criminal record or a history of not paying their bills could be excluded. I don’t know what that means for a woman on welfare and zero income.

    Seems like this was designed to facilitate tearing down the high rise public housing units, and that has been done. There isn’t a lot of money floating around to grow social programs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    How do they pick who gets given a $325k house in the suburbs?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Jean Cocteausten

  34. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Top-notch SJW parody. Bravo.

  35. The author knows full well – unless he is a fool or a liar,which from the general tenor of the piece seems likely – what ‘holds the Democrat Party together’. The answer, is, of course, hostility to white males.

  36. @Thomas
    @Dave Pinsen

    I know he's "pivoting" now with the new campaign staff. It's not a moment too soon, and hopefully not a moment three months too late. The problem with politics, especially on this level, is that perceptions become hardened. The Democrats and their media shills know Alinsky's rule like a nursery rhyme: "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico

    The interesting thing is he’s not pivoting on any of the issues. They’ve always been winners for him. The pivot, such as it is, involves a soupçon of conciliatory comments, plus the discipline to stay mostly on the teleprompter. That makes the speech the news, rather than some unfortunate extemporaneous comment of Trump’s the media twists into something else.

    I expect the polls to tighten over the next week.

  37. There is something similar in Canada, though the racial aspect is downplayed. (The Canadian underclass is disproportionately Native, but is still mostly white.) In many ways, the worst neighbourhood in Canada is the Downtown East Side in Vancouver. As the name implies, it’s right beside the downtown, one of the most expensive areas in the country.

    Anyway, government has poured money into the neighbourhood to provide services for poor people. Unfortunately, that has just attracted more poor people, who tend to get sucked into the drug culture in the area.* Which leads to more government services in the area. Which provides a bunch of lefty clients with jobs and such, and makes them feel good about “helping the oppressed,” but really just creates a nasty cycle of poverty.

    The thing is, the wealthy minorities that Canada has attracted may vote for left wing parties due to ethnic solidarity, but they sure as hell don’t want any of the poor people from the DES moving into their neighbourhoods, and they aren’t very PC about it. So, whenever there is talk of putting some social housing or drug treatment programs out in the ritzier neighbourhoods in Vancouver or even the suburbs, you get these angry minorities that are very in your face. So, all the lefty politicians in the city and suburbs tend to have a lot of juggling to do.

    *It’s really perverse. Most of the drug treatment programs are in this high drug area, so people with drug problems who want treatment are kind of stuck in the neighbourhood with the most drugs.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Thursday


    In many ways, the worst neighbourhood in Canada is the Downtown East Side in Vancouver. As the name implies, it’s right beside the downtown, one of the most expensive areas in the country.

     

    Interesting. We Calvinists just visited Vancouver, and were walking from Chinatown to Gastown. We were standing on the corner of Pender and Columbia doing the tourist thing and looking at a map, and had just started up Columbia. A very nice Canadian gentleman rushed up and asked us where we were going, and upon hearing our destination suggested that the route we were taking might be significantly improved by going one block west and heading up Carrall instead.

    Actually, Carrall still had plenty of urban scenery, but we gathered in restrospect that our benefactor had spared us going through the worst of it.

    Replies: @Thursday

  38. @Anon
    Wow, just wow. "The program has not been cheap: $19 million to purchase nearly 60 homes, all but 12 outside city limits, and annual rent subsidies of $51 million in 2015 alone."

    These numbers are crazy. That like $325 per housing unit or home or house. I assume they are houses. And the $51 million in annual rent subsidies? Seems like their dollar would go much further in the city.

    And it isn't like the county is lilly white .... 37% non white, per the article. There is a black middle class and I can't see blacks who have moved out of the city thinking this is such a great idea either.

    I will note that both Baltimore and Chicago seem to have gentrified and re-segregated some neighborhoods by income. So it isn't like people with upper middle incomes are going to tolerate social deviance.

    The University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins both have their own 'safety and security' / police. Interestingly enough, the U of C police patrol more than the campus .. a lot more. Including Obama's neighborhood of Kenwood. The mostly elderly black residents love the U of C cops. But the local teens feel 'uncomfortable' even walking through Hyde Park.

    I have had the experience of a relatively large black guy 'welcoming' me by inquiring if I needed directions. I think I actually did, so it was helpful. He was a 40ish, neatly dressed guy. The central campus is hard to navigate due to one way streets and few entrances. I have never been there are always police cars patrolling. http://chicagomaroon.com/2016/08/17/ucpd-to-increase-number-of-officers-on-patrol-by-28-percent/

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1cMjICi5RgpG2AEcCWfElMNwuBFw&hl=en_US

    It is impossible to get Section 8 housing vouchers in the city. Every couple of years they have a lottery to get on the waiting list.

    "WAITING LIST

    When a family wishes to receive assistance, the family must submit an application, when the wait list lottery is open. CHA randomly selects applicants and assigns them a position on the wait list. Generally, when a voucher becomes available, the next family at the top of the waiting list is contacted and screened for eligibility. Currently CHA's Waiting List is closed. CHA will provide notice through a variety of media outlets when it reopens."

    "The housing choice voucher program is a rental assistance program designed to provide subsidy in the private rental market. Typical private market rental management practices by owners are encouraged, including screening voucher holders for their suitability as tenants. "

    This stuff is enforced as much as it is enforced. At least in theory, anyone with a criminal record or a history of not paying their bills could be excluded. I don't know what that means for a woman on welfare and zero income.

    Seems like this was designed to facilitate tearing down the high rise public housing units, and that has been done. There isn't a lot of money floating around to grow social programs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    How do they pick who gets given a $325k house in the suburbs?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    I wonder how many $325k houses were actually worth that. I recall some crookery during the housing bubble when mortgage brokers would use comps that were nearby but in decidedly different neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    This is the Baltimore City Housing Authority. The City has one and the county has one. And all the counties seem to have one. As far as I can ascertain, these are all HUD funding conduits and being an intermediary between HUD and local developers, not to mention renters and landlords is why people bother with local and county politics.

    Even if the Housing Authority does nothing, there are jobs. Plus, you have your elderly and disabled populations.

    Who gets the houses? Since Baltimore is a majority minority City, friends and family of the Mayor, Police Chief, &c. Who else? It is supposed to be randomish ... but there are so many needs that special outreach efforts can be made on behalf damn near any group. Someone on Social Security Disability, maybe.

    The program is supposed to favor employed families, but 75% have to be 'extremely disadvantaged'. So you have a job, but not a very good one. Go to the top of the list. Exclude anyone with a criminal or drug history. And then you have your final landlord screening. I dunno ... but I have to believe that it will be the least random selection imaginable.

    The real underlying issue. Why do we have two housing authorities in one county? And what if having two Housing Authorities actually increases segregation? So instead of just merging them, they have to come up with a plan.

    Whats the point in blacks finally getting the levers of power if they can't pass out HUD money? And if Baltimore county really hates public housing all that much, why do they have a Housing Authority? Maybe to keep out the City Housing Authority, but they need to Federal cash flowing just like all political entities.

    One other point. Given that these are basically poor people -- how are they supposed to get around in the suburbs? You have to have a car. And it has to be insured. And there are lots of local cops that actually enforce bullshit traffic stuff. Red light cams. And they have courts that never let go.

    The HUD stuff is really complicated. And yes, there is a social agenda. But it is your basic rent seeking bureaucracy first. And then it about subsidizing real estate development/developers. And then a welfare/transfer payment. Social Justice? Of course. Baltimore county has 800,000 people. 30 houses is a black every few square miles. Thank God.

    Replies: @ic1000, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Jean Cocteausten
    @Steve Sailer

    The houses were probably only $100k. The other $225k was what it cost the government to pay off delinquent property tax, fill out the HUD forms, do a certified inspection, bring them all up to code, do a radon test, spray for bugs, etc etc. In other words, to overcome all the barriers set up by the government that stop poor people from buying the houses themselves.

  39. A general problem faced by liberal social policies is that they are all based on 1960s assumptions about the immense size of the white Baby Boom majority into which minority problem people can be diluted at little harm to individual members of the majority.

    The fundament[al] problem with progressive social policies in 2016 is that the country is running out of white kids to use to absorb the problems of minority kids.

    We could charitabl[y] call this the Tragic Paradox of Liberalism: the liberal solution has always been to integrate the problem minorities with the majority, but to get the political power to do that, liberals have systematically set about reducing the majority to a minority, which means that their traditional solutions won’t work anymore, even in theory.

    This is very well-stated indeed, Steve. It’s why it’s so hard to discuss social policy with garden-variety baby boomers: their vision of a vast, inexhaustible America is unshakeable.

  40. My wife is back in her native country.
    My questions for her host are:

    Swedish women are most likely to be raped in the developed world.

    The rapists are almost universally immigrants.

    What are Swedish men doing about this?

    What else, other than providing for and protecting their women and siring children have men done?

    • Replies: @Avenge Harambe
    @Bill Jones

    Until Swedish men (or German, English, French or even we Americans, for that matter) lose the fear of their governments taking legal sanctions against them for protecting their women and children, things will continue as they are. However, an untenable situation can not last forever, and I think we're coming to the point where white people collectively will take no more. For example, the term racist has lost much of it's sting the last few years. All it took was a black President.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Bill Jones

    Women in Sweden seem pretty down with crushing anyone who gets out of line from their perches as police commissioners, lawyers, and MPs.

    Maybe she should ask the gynocracy over there what has been done for women by women.

  41. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    What in the world would lead you to assume that this situation will ultimately trend towards that sort of stability?

    Why, with continuing, obvious benefits for both the Democrats and big business, with Trump’s anti-immigration movement broken, and the remanent of the Republican Party all too willing to sell out for “comprehensive immigration reform,” would immigration enthusiasts back off?

    How would whites, who couldn’t even punch their weight enough when they had a majority to keep that majority, suddenly punch above their weight?

    And which “whites?” Trump’s “badwhites” will be the defeated losers of a “cold civil war” that this country is already letting die off in droves. No soup for them. Liberal “goodwhites” might survive as a sort of sub rosa minority that influences and prospers by doublethink and inside influence (like one other I might think of).

    But the underlying social and human factors remain: underclass blacks are not likely to get turned into some functioning coalition partner that won’t constantly demand their endless social miseries be succored by a dwindled minority of whites in payment of historical debts. And an endless influx of immigrant groups from all over the world won’t suddenly take the lesson to “play nice” once they’ve seen a powerful country just voluntarily surrender itself to the world.

  42. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    It’s not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media’s narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Some figures to keep in mind:

    There were 55.3 million Hispanics in the United States in 2014, comprising 17.3% of the total U.S. population. In 1980, with a population of 14.8 million, Hispanics made up just 6.5% of the total U.S. population.

    Since 1960, the nation’s Latino population has increased nearly ninefold, from 6.3 million then to 55.3 million by 2014. It is projected to grow to 119 million by 2060, according to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.

    Mexican-origin Hispanics have always been the largest Hispanic-origin group in the U.S. In 1860, for example, among the 155,000 Hispanics living in the U.S., 81.1% were of Mexican origin—a historic high. Since then the origins of the nation’s Hispanic population have diversified as growing numbers of immigrants from other Latin American nations and Puerto Rico settled in the U.S. For example, between 1930 and 1980, Hispanics from places other than Mexico nearly doubled their representation among U.S. Hispanics, from 22.4% to 40.6%. But with the arrival of large numbers of Mexican immigrants in the 1980s and 1990s, the Mexican share among Hispanics grew, rising to a recent peak of 65.7% in 2008 and staying about steady since then.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    The Anglo-American future looks quite bleak…

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @syonredux

    Hard to say, the chart shows growth back to roughly 1980s levels by both births and immigration. (The Mexican-only birth rate took a steep nosedive down to pretty near white levels in recent years.)

    Replies: @syonredux

  43. @Thursday
    There is something similar in Canada, though the racial aspect is downplayed. (The Canadian underclass is disproportionately Native, but is still mostly white.) In many ways, the worst neighbourhood in Canada is the Downtown East Side in Vancouver. As the name implies, it's right beside the downtown, one of the most expensive areas in the country.

    Anyway, government has poured money into the neighbourhood to provide services for poor people. Unfortunately, that has just attracted more poor people, who tend to get sucked into the drug culture in the area.* Which leads to more government services in the area. Which provides a bunch of lefty clients with jobs and such, and makes them feel good about "helping the oppressed," but really just creates a nasty cycle of poverty.

    The thing is, the wealthy minorities that Canada has attracted may vote for left wing parties due to ethnic solidarity, but they sure as hell don't want any of the poor people from the DES moving into their neighbourhoods, and they aren't very PC about it. So, whenever there is talk of putting some social housing or drug treatment programs out in the ritzier neighbourhoods in Vancouver or even the suburbs, you get these angry minorities that are very in your face. So, all the lefty politicians in the city and suburbs tend to have a lot of juggling to do.

    *It's really perverse. Most of the drug treatment programs are in this high drug area, so people with drug problems who want treatment are kind of stuck in the neighbourhood with the most drugs.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    In many ways, the worst neighbourhood in Canada is the Downtown East Side in Vancouver. As the name implies, it’s right beside the downtown, one of the most expensive areas in the country.

    Interesting. We Calvinists just visited Vancouver, and were walking from Chinatown to Gastown. We were standing on the corner of Pender and Columbia doing the tourist thing and looking at a map, and had just started up Columbia. A very nice Canadian gentleman rushed up and asked us where we were going, and upon hearing our destination suggested that the route we were taking might be significantly improved by going one block west and heading up Carrall instead.

    Actually, Carrall still had plenty of urban scenery, but we gathered in restrospect that our benefactor had spared us going through the worst of it.

    • Replies: @Thursday
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Carrall has a lot of hip bars. I had my bachelor's party there a year ago.

    Of course, there is lots of pressure to gentrify the area. Carrall is only two blocks from Main, which is the centre of the DES. You have one group of wealthy Vancouverites wanting to push the poor people out of the DES, and another group wanting to keep them there, along with the poverty activists. So far the latter have been winning, but Vancouver, especially downtown, is pressed for space, so the pressure is immense. The long term favours the developers and gentrifiers.

    It's a bad neighbourhood, but Canadian bums and drug addicts are relatively peaceable as those kinds of people go.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  44. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    One thing to consider: entitlements aren’t segregated. White Americans aren’t going to get better Medicare than non-whites. And if we keep importing poor people who are likely to stay poor (recall Steve’s recent post about most legal immigrants having net worths of < $500), then we won't be able to afford the same level of benefits as now.

    • Replies: @verylongaccountname
    @Dave Pinsen

    Whites are likely to get worse Medicare treatment in the future. After all, we have to close that the gap, right? And blacks have a much lower life expectancy than whites. Obviously, its because we don't spend enough on their healthcare ... not fixing this injustice by denying services to whites based on their race would be racist!

    , @SWVirginian
    @Dave Pinsen

    That great womb-to-tomb socialistic paradise Sweden is already seeing this sort of thing occurring. The arrival of so many 'refugees' who can't begin to support themselves let alone contribute to the common good are making it necessary that Sweden cut back on the sorts of social services that they have come to expect and are willing to pay huge taxes to support. Combine this with the silver medal in the rape rates Olympics and you have a third world hell-hole with a frigid climate.

  45. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    There really is no way to have any kind of political symbiosis when the other side makes it clear that we should be a permanent minority without any political power.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Maj. Kong

    "If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor."

    The Dakotas I hear are nice this time of year.

    On a more serious note, this "ethnic cleansing" and "gun ban" memes by the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups has really been trumped up in recent months, and it will only get more crazier if Hillary is elected.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Maj. Kong

    Whites are going to have to fight, actually fight, if they don't want the future you describe. Not fight by "posting pithy blog posts" or attending circle jerk conferences with other "white ethnonationalists" in BFE, but actually fight.

    , @dfordoom
    @Maj. Kong


    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.
     
    The more immediate problem will be an all-out assault on freedom of speech. Not by the government but by the globalist corporations that control the internet (thus evading the First Amendment). Expect a massive campaign to make social media a "safe space."

    The aim will be to ensure that nothing like the Trump campaign will ever again be permitted to gain any traction at all.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

  46. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    The rhetoric directed at whites has gotten quite extreme, and is likely to become much more so.
    Virtually all race studies programs now openly advocate genocide against whites as the only way to achieve equity. There is about a twenty year lag in these things … the respectable opinion today was being cooked up in black studies departments twenty years ago. This will not end well, and it is not going to stabilize soon.

  47. @syonredux
    @Broski


    It’s not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media’s narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.
     
    Some figures to keep in mind:

    There were 55.3 million Hispanics in the United States in 2014, comprising 17.3% of the total U.S. population. In 1980, with a population of 14.8 million, Hispanics made up just 6.5% of the total U.S. population.
     

    Since 1960, the nation’s Latino population has increased nearly ninefold, from 6.3 million then to 55.3 million by 2014. It is projected to grow to 119 million by 2060, according to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau
     

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     

    Mexican-origin Hispanics have always been the largest Hispanic-origin group in the U.S. In 1860, for example, among the 155,000 Hispanics living in the U.S., 81.1% were of Mexican origin—a historic high. Since then the origins of the nation’s Hispanic population have diversified as growing numbers of immigrants from other Latin American nations and Puerto Rico settled in the U.S. For example, between 1930 and 1980, Hispanics from places other than Mexico nearly doubled their representation among U.S. Hispanics, from 22.4% to 40.6%. But with the arrival of large numbers of Mexican immigrants in the 1980s and 1990s, the Mexican share among Hispanics grew, rising to a recent peak of 65.7% in 2008 and staying about steady since then.
     
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    The Anglo-American future looks quite bleak...

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    Hard to say, the chart shows growth back to roughly 1980s levels by both births and immigration. (The Mexican-only birth rate took a steep nosedive down to pretty near white levels in recent years.)

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @The Practical Conservative


    Hard to say, the chart shows growth back to roughly 1980s levels by both births and immigration. (The Mexican-only birth rate took a steep nosedive down to pretty near white levels in recent years.)
     
    There could be some hope there. On the other hand, if another economic downturn hits Mexico....
  48. @Dave Pinsen
    @Broski

    One thing to consider: entitlements aren't segregated. White Americans aren't going to get better Medicare than non-whites. And if we keep importing poor people who are likely to stay poor (recall Steve's recent post about most legal immigrants having net worths of < $500), then we won't be able to afford the same level of benefits as now.

    Replies: @verylongaccountname, @SWVirginian

    Whites are likely to get worse Medicare treatment in the future. After all, we have to close that the gap, right? And blacks have a much lower life expectancy than whites. Obviously, its because we don’t spend enough on their healthcare … not fixing this injustice by denying services to whites based on their race would be racist!

  49. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Thursday


    In many ways, the worst neighbourhood in Canada is the Downtown East Side in Vancouver. As the name implies, it’s right beside the downtown, one of the most expensive areas in the country.

     

    Interesting. We Calvinists just visited Vancouver, and were walking from Chinatown to Gastown. We were standing on the corner of Pender and Columbia doing the tourist thing and looking at a map, and had just started up Columbia. A very nice Canadian gentleman rushed up and asked us where we were going, and upon hearing our destination suggested that the route we were taking might be significantly improved by going one block west and heading up Carrall instead.

    Actually, Carrall still had plenty of urban scenery, but we gathered in restrospect that our benefactor had spared us going through the worst of it.

    Replies: @Thursday

    Carrall has a lot of hip bars. I had my bachelor’s party there a year ago.

    Of course, there is lots of pressure to gentrify the area. Carrall is only two blocks from Main, which is the centre of the DES. You have one group of wealthy Vancouverites wanting to push the poor people out of the DES, and another group wanting to keep them there, along with the poverty activists. So far the latter have been winning, but Vancouver, especially downtown, is pressed for space, so the pressure is immense. The long term favours the developers and gentrifiers.

    It’s a bad neighbourhood, but Canadian bums and drug addicts are relatively peaceable as those kinds of people go.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Thursday

    Thanks for the reply, Thursday. I'm sure you're right about the pressure on that area to gentrify. The Gastown area obviously already has, and it's charming but small; that kind of gentrification, plus the main downtown stuff, can only spread east, so eastside's got to be next . . . .

    You also said:


    Canadian bums and drug addicts are relatively peaceable as those kinds of people go.

     

    This struck us as well. We were staying in a hotel way over on the West side, on Denham, and there were panhandlers and street sleepers all over the place there, too. But we found the whole vibe strangely placid.
  50. @The Practical Conservative
    @syonredux

    Hard to say, the chart shows growth back to roughly 1980s levels by both births and immigration. (The Mexican-only birth rate took a steep nosedive down to pretty near white levels in recent years.)

    Replies: @syonredux

    Hard to say, the chart shows growth back to roughly 1980s levels by both births and immigration. (The Mexican-only birth rate took a steep nosedive down to pretty near white levels in recent years.)

    There could be some hope there. On the other hand, if another economic downturn hits Mexico….

  51. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    LOL, Hillary cares about the poor the way that Cruella cared about the Dalmatians.

  52. @Thursday
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Carrall has a lot of hip bars. I had my bachelor's party there a year ago.

    Of course, there is lots of pressure to gentrify the area. Carrall is only two blocks from Main, which is the centre of the DES. You have one group of wealthy Vancouverites wanting to push the poor people out of the DES, and another group wanting to keep them there, along with the poverty activists. So far the latter have been winning, but Vancouver, especially downtown, is pressed for space, so the pressure is immense. The long term favours the developers and gentrifiers.

    It's a bad neighbourhood, but Canadian bums and drug addicts are relatively peaceable as those kinds of people go.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks for the reply, Thursday. I’m sure you’re right about the pressure on that area to gentrify. The Gastown area obviously already has, and it’s charming but small; that kind of gentrification, plus the main downtown stuff, can only spread east, so eastside’s got to be next . . . .

    You also said:

    Canadian bums and drug addicts are relatively peaceable as those kinds of people go.

    This struck us as well. We were staying in a hotel way over on the West side, on Denham, and there were panhandlers and street sleepers all over the place there, too. But we found the whole vibe strangely placid.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    How do they pick who gets given a $325k house in the suburbs?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Jean Cocteausten

    I wonder how many $325k houses were actually worth that. I recall some crookery during the housing bubble when mortgage brokers would use comps that were nearby but in decidedly different neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Dave Pinsen

    Seems ripe for a bit of front running too.

  54. A documentary on the Democrats’ problem:

    • Replies: @yowza
    @Broski


    A documentary on the Democrats’ problem:
     
    My favorite ride at Disneyland!

    Negro Pirates of the Carribean
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Broski

    JS, I loved the Tricked-up Bicycles with the LED rims, all ridden by adults too, that is mos def missing in my neighborhood.

  55. In an essay recently published on the CNN website, “How To Make Housing Fair in America,” Senator Tim Kaine, Clinton’s running mate, was somewhat more explicit: …

    Housing will be “fair” in America, when i get to live in Zuckerberg’s palatial Hawaii estate.

    Until then it is “unfair”.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    It's too bad Coates doesn't engage with critics, because it would be interesting to hear him being made to drill down on this. Because what it sounds like he and others are saying is that it's unfair to black people for them to have to live among black people.

    He might object that the issue isn't living among black people, but living in a high crime area with bad schools, or something like that. Which raises the question: why not address those issues?

    I mean, theoretically, you could. An African American Paul Kagame could crack down on crime, and fix the schools by segmenting them into a military-discipline group for the trouble makers and poor performers, a KIPP/vocational group for the middle, and a laxer honors group for the top performers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  56. Can Hillary Manage Her Unruly Coalition?

    A better question might be ‘Can America Survive Her Unruly Coalition?’

    And why is it that the media almost universally refers to Hillary Clinton by her first name? I rarely see Donald Trump referred to as Donald.

    @ Tiny Dick

    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged…

    I don’t know if they do or not, or if they care about them as much as you seem to imagine they do — but since “inner city poor” is generally a euphemism for Blacks, and Blacks are clearly the most vulnerable economic group in America, with low educational attainment, and largely unskilled, I fail to see how embracing literally tens of millions of unskilled immigrants, legal and illegal, as Democrats (like HRC) do enthusiastically, is doing the “inner city poor and less advantaged” any good at all.

  57. We can’t accept an America where most Blacks do not have White next door neighbors, that’s not who we are as Americans. The presence of White residents creates magic blocks. We can’t have 100 percent Black blocks, that’s not who we are as Americans.

    • Replies: @Das
    @Jefferson

    Maintaining the demographic status quo of a 85% white country and implementing "black a block" quotas would have worked out OK. I mean, if you're going to end housing segregation, the Oak Park model is the smart, sensible way of doing it.

    Studies have shown that blacks really do benefit from moving to white suburbs, and scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn't really hurt property values. The problem is that once you have an overconcentration of blacks in a neighborhood the place typically goes to hell, white flight ensues, and you're left with an all-black neighborhood.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Anonymous

  58. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    “The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor … “

    LOL Duck! I agree the Democrats care about the inner city poor … they care that the poor vote for Democrats!

    Rahm Emanuel cares so darn much about Chicago’s blacks that he’s torn down their homes and sent them to live in thriving dynamic Dubuque!

    Bill and Hillary love blacks so much that upon leaving the White House in 2001, when they could live *anywhere* in the entire nation, they chose … Chappaqua NY, less than 1% black.

    Yes, the Democrats do care about black votes and hope that blacks keep feeling like they are dependent on the Democrats and keep voting for Democrats. But when it comes to whether they want to live around the "inner city poor"–the issue in question here–they are indistinguishable from David Duke.

  59. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor …

    I’m going to answer you more seriously here Duck–though white Democrats’ lack of desire to live around blacks is certainly serious.

    If the Democrats care about the inner city poor–i.e. inner city poor blacks–what are the most important public policies that would actually help them?

    It isn’t actually moving them out of their communities to white neighborhoods. This is great virtue signalling and a nice annoyance of the wrong sort of white people. But the results show that this doesn’t do much for blacks–helps a few, most are unhappy. The blacks moved often miss their friends and relatives that they often rely on–being usually single moms–for childcare and the life. And these neighborhoods are setup for people with reliable cars and often lack the job opportunities that mesh with the blacks’ skill set. (Is Dubuque really a better place for a black to live, or to find a job than Chicago?)

    The two most important public policy initiatives that would help inner city blacks:

    1) Stop mass low skill immigration.
    Far and away #1. We need to stop giving low skill American jobs away to foreigners and leave them for our low-skilled Americans.

    The Democrats oppose this. Hillary in fact, vows to stop enforcement, and essentially adopt a quasi–if you can get in you’re safe–open border.

    2) Crush inner city crime.
    A safe neighborhood is just way more pleasant and allows folks to lead more orderly lives. High crime is also the #1 reason for non-investment in black areas. Most whites don’t actually hate blacks (at least most whites that haven’t been victimized) and would actually like to see them do well (nationalism–fellow citizens and all that). However, whites don’t want to venture, nor make business investments in areas that are violent and disordered. So the #2 most important public policy initiative would be a full court press–take no prisoners (actually take a lot of prisoners!), zero tolerance, round up all the bad guys–on inner city crime.

    The Democrats oppose this, what spent the last two years mau-mauing that blacks are oppressed by the police all to gin up\keep up black voting. They’ve actually managed to make the inner city *more* violent, and less worth investing and creating jobs in. But hey, maybe they’ll still keep black turnout high … and that’s what really matters.

    ~~
    So there you go Duck. The two most important policies i can think of for actually aiding inner city blacks and the Democrats want the exact reverse. But … hey, the “care”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad

    And:

    3. Stop subsidizing bastardy. Encourage marriage.

  60. The larger the atom, the more unstable it is. Now, to just aim a neutron at the coalition of the fringes…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonym


    The larger the atom, the more unstable it is. Now, to just aim a neutron at the coalition of the fringes…
     
    Steve keeps saying its potentially unstable, but I don't see much empirical evidence of that potential being translated into reality.

    There is honor among thieves.
  61. @AnotherDad

    In an essay recently published on the CNN website, “How To Make Housing Fair in America,” Senator Tim Kaine, Clinton’s running mate, was somewhat more explicit: ...
     
    Housing will be "fair" in America, when i get to live in Zuckerberg's palatial Hawaii estate.

    Until then it is "unfair".

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    It’s too bad Coates doesn’t engage with critics, because it would be interesting to hear him being made to drill down on this. Because what it sounds like he and others are saying is that it’s unfair to black people for them to have to live among black people.

    He might object that the issue isn’t living among black people, but living in a high crime area with bad schools, or something like that. Which raises the question: why not address those issues?

    I mean, theoretically, you could. An African American Paul Kagame could crack down on crime, and fix the schools by segmenting them into a military-discipline group for the trouble makers and poor performers, a KIPP/vocational group for the middle, and a laxer honors group for the top performers.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Dave Pinsen

    "He might object that the issue isn’t living among black people, but living in a high crime area with bad schools, or something like that."

    Who's responsible for making those areas high crime? The Okinawans? Who's responsible for making those schools bad? The Azoreans?

    Since when did dirt and buildings commit crimes and make schools bad? They are not living things.

    If you flood any affluent community with a mass number of Blacks than the area will no longer be low crime and the schools will no longer be excellent.

  62. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    How do they pick who gets given a $325k house in the suburbs?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Jean Cocteausten

    This is the Baltimore City Housing Authority. The City has one and the county has one. And all the counties seem to have one. As far as I can ascertain, these are all HUD funding conduits and being an intermediary between HUD and local developers, not to mention renters and landlords is why people bother with local and county politics.

    Even if the Housing Authority does nothing, there are jobs. Plus, you have your elderly and disabled populations.

    Who gets the houses? Since Baltimore is a majority minority City, friends and family of the Mayor, Police Chief, &c. Who else? It is supposed to be randomish … but there are so many needs that special outreach efforts can be made on behalf damn near any group. Someone on Social Security Disability, maybe.

    The program is supposed to favor employed families, but 75% have to be ‘extremely disadvantaged’. So you have a job, but not a very good one. Go to the top of the list. Exclude anyone with a criminal or drug history. And then you have your final landlord screening. I dunno … but I have to believe that it will be the least random selection imaginable.

    The real underlying issue. Why do we have two housing authorities in one county? And what if having two Housing Authorities actually increases segregation? So instead of just merging them, they have to come up with a plan.

    Whats the point in blacks finally getting the levers of power if they can’t pass out HUD money? And if Baltimore county really hates public housing all that much, why do they have a Housing Authority? Maybe to keep out the City Housing Authority, but they need to Federal cash flowing just like all political entities.

    One other point. Given that these are basically poor people — how are they supposed to get around in the suburbs? You have to have a car. And it has to be insured. And there are lots of local cops that actually enforce bullshit traffic stuff. Red light cams. And they have courts that never let go.

    The HUD stuff is really complicated. And yes, there is a social agenda. But it is your basic rent seeking bureaucracy first. And then it about subsidizing real estate development/developers. And then a welfare/transfer payment. Social Justice? Of course. Baltimore county has 800,000 people. 30 houses is a black every few square miles. Thank God.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Anon

    Anon, your post on Baltimore City cf. Baltimore County betrays a lack of knowledge about these places. For starters, "Baltimore City" is a County-level jurisdiction that is independent from Baltimore County as it is from Maryland's other counties. The Legislature set it up this way in the early 20th century, when the city was the state's economic engine. Obviously, things have changed since then.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @stillCARealist
    @Anon

    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house. If there was any sort of friendship with this family you could be sure they'd be around asking to "borrow" money. They didn't get any better (the oldest daughter had twin girls by a low-life acquaintance at a party; he was in and out of jail and never helped her) and our neighborhood suffered continuously until they moved out.

    I don't think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    Anon, twenty miles east of here is Batavia, NY, which is currently benefiting from America's new love of Greek Yogurt. There are major dairy farms surrounding the city and two new GY production facilities. As you enter Batavia from the west you notice some new apartment complexes with signage that notes that they are part of NY State's affordable housing effort. The apartments are about two miles outside of the city and it's grocery stores, Walmart, Target etc. There is no public transportation in Batavia. Is that the next step. A new cabinet level post Department of Public Transportation?

  63. Trump needs to hit her on this and hit her hard. She has to respond to it.

    Someone forward this to Kellyanne.

  64. @Anonymous
    Forget about her coalition...Hillary needs to concentrate on showing up for the rest of the campaign.

    She is off again now for three days! Media silence!

    She's been taking long weekends off for a while now and the press just plays along.

    Hillary Clinton is very ill as she nears 70. The corruption of her ethics and the corruption of her body are the stuff of Greek tragedy.

    What a catastrophe! She's back to the low 40's in the polls! Double plus ungood, Winston.

    Replies: @Nico, @Connecticut Famer, @rod1963, @Das

    SHHH.

    The last thing we want is for the Dark Overlords to get nervous and take steps to demote her to the benefit of Tim Kaine.

  65. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama's fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he'll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Buck Turgidson, @AnotherDad

    I would like to see public housing restricted to Democrat districts so they can feel the full embrace of diversity. I also would love to see Trump site a public housing project directly next door to the hypocritical Obamas.

  66. @Thomas
    @Dave Pinsen

    I know he's "pivoting" now with the new campaign staff. It's not a moment too soon, and hopefully not a moment three months too late. The problem with politics, especially on this level, is that perceptions become hardened. The Democrats and their media shills know Alinsky's rule like a nursery rhyme: "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico

    Meh, voters are ficke and a week is a long time in politics. It had become painfully obvious that Manafort was a wrong fit for Trump: he’s too much of an “in-“man to suggest anything that isn’t tired. Trump needed level-headed and like-minded but objective thinkers to offer constructive criticism and not change his style but rather refine what he does best.

  67. @MEH 0910
    If Hillary Clinton Wins, Foundation Will Stop Accepting Foreign Donations

    Facing criticism for some of the donations given to his family’s philanthropy, Bill Clinton said on Thursday that the Clinton Foundation would no longer accept foreign or corporate money and that he would resign from its board should Hillary Clinton win the presidency.
     
    So if we want to make that happen, we have to elect Hillary. I guess we're being offered a positive incentive from the Clinton campaign for a change, rather than a perverse one.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson, @Some Economist, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    These people are like Lucy holding that teed-up football and coaxing Charlie Brown that this time they really really really are going to let him kick it and not pull it away and watch him fall on his ass yet again.

  68. @Jefferson
    We can't accept an America where most Blacks do not have White next door neighbors, that's not who we are as Americans. The presence of White residents creates magic blocks. We can't have 100 percent Black blocks, that's not who we are as Americans.

    Replies: @Das

    Maintaining the demographic status quo of a 85% white country and implementing “black a block” quotas would have worked out OK. I mean, if you’re going to end housing segregation, the Oak Park model is the smart, sensible way of doing it.

    Studies have shown that blacks really do benefit from moving to white suburbs, and scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn’t really hurt property values. The problem is that once you have an overconcentration of blacks in a neighborhood the place typically goes to hell, white flight ensues, and you’re left with an all-black neighborhood.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @Das

    "scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn’t really hurt property values. "

    Must disagree with you there, Mr. Das.

    Would you pay the same amount for a house next door to a Section 8 house as you would for a house in a neighborhood entirely owner-occupied?

    , @Anonymous
    @Das

    From La Griffe:

    "Beginning insidiously, the preying of black upon white is barely noticeable until the community is about 20 percent black. At that point, the probability of John being attacked by a black is still only 0.02. However, the probability that at least one member of John's family will be attacked by a black is about 8 percent. When the black population grows to 50 percent, the likelihood that John will be attacked by a black rises to 8 percent, and the chances are 29 percent that someone in John's family will be attacked within the year. For most whites, this threat crosses the threshold of intolerability, but those more hardy or less able will remain. As blacks begin to predominate, the situation for whites grows worse rapidly. If John hangs on until his neighborhood is 65 percent black, the risk of victimization will be 15 percent for him and 53 percent for his family. Should John be among the most foolhardy hangers on, when the black population reaches 90 percent, John will have a 54 percent chance of being victimized by blacks, with the chances of someone in his family becoming a victim being better than 95 percent -- a virtual certainty."

    and this:

    "It shows that to a high degree of approximation, the risk John faces from whites is not only independent of neighborhood size, but also neighborhood composition. The probability that John is attacked by whites in a given year is the same no matter where he lives….

    We note that John's risk from whites remains a bit under 3 percent from the day the first black moves into his neighborhood until the last white leaves."

    Replies: @Jefferson

  69. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Now you’re being spammy too. That kind of ruins it, bro.

  70. @Polynikes
    If Republicans were smart they would enforce these policies in liberal states when the republicans are in charge. They could drive this wedge themselves, but Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor.

    Replies: @Yo Trump, @Chase, @George, @Bill P

    ” Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor”

    Bush was focused on the war on terror and increasing immigration. Housing policy was just used to keep people either distracted or supporting the war. Poverty housing programs go along with wars, it is just like Vietnam/Great Society.

  71. @Tiny Duck
    Hillary Clinton will likely be able to coordinate the "wings" of her own party and loft to victory in November. Recent steady polls show her far ahead in many of the so-called swing states.

    Why is she soaring? Because if any not-quite-white American citizen listens to Trump and watches his rallies, that person soon learns frightening lessons about the authoritarian, racist, belligerent GOP, which has chosen this mean, incompetent man as its standard


    I am not a Republican and do aspire to become better. Ready to pay taxes. Ready to vote for any rep who acknowledges global warming, supports women's rights to contraception and abortion, acknowleges LGBT citizens as full citizens, espouses sensible gun-control measures, and understands that too many children in the US are being crushed by poverty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @AndrewR

    TinybDuck, you are really upping your game. Bravo.

  72. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Ah yes, bound together by the common hatred of your betters.

  73. The answer appears to be: pretty much the same thing that keeps people on the same page in 1984: having to somebody to hate.

    Well, there’s always that, but there is something more obvious. Both the black single mom* wing and the affirmative action hardly working professional female wing in HR/government/NGOs constitute rentier classes that function as parasites on the productive economy.

    * – with baby daddies spreading their seed on the cheap behind the scenes

    • Replies: @Hhd
    @Desiderius

    I remember when the entire handball team of Sweden had an orgy with Usain Bolt at London 2012.

  74. @Anonym
    The larger the atom, the more unstable it is. Now, to just aim a neutron at the coalition of the fringes...

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The larger the atom, the more unstable it is. Now, to just aim a neutron at the coalition of the fringes…

    Steve keeps saying its potentially unstable, but I don’t see much empirical evidence of that potential being translated into reality.

    There is honor among thieves.

  75. @Chase
    @Polynikes

    Republicans have never felt comfortable pushing wedge issues on democrats because it feels unsporting or something.

    Reason #1,052 for the rise of Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Republicans have never felt comfortable pushing wedge issues on democrats because it feels unsporting or something.

    They’re people pleasers/apple polishers.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @CJ
    @International Jew

    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Louis Renault

    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.

    Catonsville has a large research university, The University of Maryland Baltimore County, which is a good school (especially in chess, where they give scholarships to international grandmasters, hence they dominate). So, as you’d expect Catonsville is a very nice suburb of Baltimore made up of highly educated liberals. It is close (borders) very nice Ellicott City and Howard County (3rd most affluent county in U.S.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    How do they pick who gets given a $325k house in the suburbs?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Jean Cocteausten

    The houses were probably only $100k. The other $225k was what it cost the government to pay off delinquent property tax, fill out the HUD forms, do a certified inspection, bring them all up to code, do a radon test, spray for bugs, etc etc. In other words, to overcome all the barriers set up by the government that stop poor people from buying the houses themselves.

  78. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    I suggest you go to a Trump rally and a Hillary rally, then report back who is more tolerant.

  79. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    This is the Baltimore City Housing Authority. The City has one and the county has one. And all the counties seem to have one. As far as I can ascertain, these are all HUD funding conduits and being an intermediary between HUD and local developers, not to mention renters and landlords is why people bother with local and county politics.

    Even if the Housing Authority does nothing, there are jobs. Plus, you have your elderly and disabled populations.

    Who gets the houses? Since Baltimore is a majority minority City, friends and family of the Mayor, Police Chief, &c. Who else? It is supposed to be randomish ... but there are so many needs that special outreach efforts can be made on behalf damn near any group. Someone on Social Security Disability, maybe.

    The program is supposed to favor employed families, but 75% have to be 'extremely disadvantaged'. So you have a job, but not a very good one. Go to the top of the list. Exclude anyone with a criminal or drug history. And then you have your final landlord screening. I dunno ... but I have to believe that it will be the least random selection imaginable.

    The real underlying issue. Why do we have two housing authorities in one county? And what if having two Housing Authorities actually increases segregation? So instead of just merging them, they have to come up with a plan.

    Whats the point in blacks finally getting the levers of power if they can't pass out HUD money? And if Baltimore county really hates public housing all that much, why do they have a Housing Authority? Maybe to keep out the City Housing Authority, but they need to Federal cash flowing just like all political entities.

    One other point. Given that these are basically poor people -- how are they supposed to get around in the suburbs? You have to have a car. And it has to be insured. And there are lots of local cops that actually enforce bullshit traffic stuff. Red light cams. And they have courts that never let go.

    The HUD stuff is really complicated. And yes, there is a social agenda. But it is your basic rent seeking bureaucracy first. And then it about subsidizing real estate development/developers. And then a welfare/transfer payment. Social Justice? Of course. Baltimore county has 800,000 people. 30 houses is a black every few square miles. Thank God.

    Replies: @ic1000, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe

    Anon, your post on Baltimore City cf. Baltimore County betrays a lack of knowledge about these places. For starters, “Baltimore City” is a County-level jurisdiction that is independent from Baltimore County as it is from Maryland’s other counties. The Legislature set it up this way in the early 20th century, when the city was the state’s economic engine. Obviously, things have changed since then.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @ic1000

    You are correct. Baltimore City is independent from Baltimore County.

    There is something fundamentally bizarre about a program that is thoroughly hated yet has a zombie like resistance to elimination. And is very rule based regarding the process being 'fair' which ambivalent about the assumed outcome -- evenly dispersing poor people. Democratic Chicago managed to eliminate the extreme concentration of poor people living in Cabrini Green. But they didn't disperse around the Near North Side, in new, lower density mixed income development. Whoops.

    I found this useful.

    http://www.cbpp.org/research/introduction-to-the-housing-voucher-program

    I think I am getting some idea of its history, and even remember certain aspects. A clue is the term, 'voucher'. It started under Nixon/Ford and enhanced by Reagan. It has this vague libertarian appeal of eliminating funding for the failed PHA high rise projects and instead gives the subsidy directly to beneficiary to find a market based solution. Voucher=Less Government=Good.

    However, the most interesting thing:

    "Housing vouchers are not an entitlement benefit. Because of funding limitations, only one in four households that are eligible for vouchers receive any form of federal housing assistance. "

    Yet:

    "The voucher program currently assists more than 2 million households.[1] It is the only federal housing program primarily serving poor families that has grown as needs have grown over the last 20 years."

    It is growing -- at least as a percentage of total HUD expenditures, yet is only available to 1/4 of eligible households.

    And:

    "The voucher program is administered at the federal level by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). At the local level, the program is run by approximately 2,400 local, state, and regional housing agencies, known collectively as public housing agencies (PHAs). Many of these are independent public authorities, while others are part of city, county, or state governments and thus are directly under the supervision of elected officials."

    2400 PHA's is a lot of agencies.

    The money quote -- the separate PHA's failed to take a regional approach.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-hud-county-deal-20160315-story.html

    "The city agency has also passed along approximately $51 million in federal funds to a program run by the nonprofit Baltimore Regional Housing Partnership.

    That organization was born out of a landmark fair housing ruling in Baltimore City known as Thompson v. HUD. In that case a federal judge ruled that HUD had failed to take a regional approach to desegregatingBaltimore'spublic housing."

    The rulebook stresses the portability of the vouchers. Even though there is a shortage of vouchers -- with only 1/4 of eligible households being served, and some PHA's have available vouchers -- nevertheless, an applicant would have to spend 1 year in the new PHA before 'porting' it to somewhere desirable.

    My guess is that all 2400 PHA's feel entitled to serve and protect. And not have to slim down.

    Why doesn't Baltimore City PHA simply 'port' the portable vouchers to the county? Maybe they want to keep their vouchers, has funding implications for the PHA.

    Another contradiction is that they have to use schemes that will *not* result in concentration and therefore can't use brute force and scale up these moves. They could just mow through the inner suburbs like termites, like when they ethnically cleansed the city. As they trashed neighborhoods, rental prices would decrease to levels that would open a lot of prime housing stock at the required HUD maximum price levels.

    There is also a Chicago Regional Housing Choice Initiative. http://www.hcp-chicago.org/2014/program/project-opportunity/

    I ran across this article in the Atlantic last year. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/chicago-regional-housing-section-eight/398798/

    It took about 10 seconds to determined that Glenview was very unhappy about it. And also, using google map, it seems to be in a fairly cut off, less desirable piece of land. Basically, the thrust of the article that everyone thinks this is a great idea is idiotic. It is hard to tell, exactly, but they seem to be built in areas that need a lot of subsidy to do anything. That is, not the greatest. And Ms Boyd .. she was finding her Northside neighborhood a bit too exciting. So she isn't a typical southsider.

  80. @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck


    supports women’s rights to contraception and abortion
     
    Tiny Duck, you are someone who is on the record for supporting the "rape" of white women by men of color. Are you only for contraception and abortion rights for women of color, and against contraception and abortion rights for white women?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Olorin

    Tiny Duck is a troll. I just skip past his stuff. If you feed him he’ll keep coming back. He’s more than likely some fat, pimply, unpopular teenager with poor personal hygiene, not even smart enough to get into his local nerd clique, and desperately seeking the attention of human beings.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Interesting observation. I get this sinking feeling, occasionally, when I try to respond with reasoned arguments to some commenter , and get back an answer on the order of
    "UR a dick! LOL!", that I have been talking to a sixteen-year old.
    Not much point in that.
    I meself, at fifteen, thought that Abby Hoffman was really cool.

    Misspent youth.

  81. @Das
    @Jefferson

    Maintaining the demographic status quo of a 85% white country and implementing "black a block" quotas would have worked out OK. I mean, if you're going to end housing segregation, the Oak Park model is the smart, sensible way of doing it.

    Studies have shown that blacks really do benefit from moving to white suburbs, and scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn't really hurt property values. The problem is that once you have an overconcentration of blacks in a neighborhood the place typically goes to hell, white flight ensues, and you're left with an all-black neighborhood.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Anonymous

    “scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn’t really hurt property values. ”

    Must disagree with you there, Mr. Das.

    Would you pay the same amount for a house next door to a Section 8 house as you would for a house in a neighborhood entirely owner-occupied?

  82. @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck

    Previous Tiny Duck comment:


    Clinton is just another white politician. People of Color are better public servants because they are warmer and like to help people. Think about Obama and his efforts to save the country. Congress blocked him but he had great ideas. Hopefully on the future when demographics change whites will be effectively barred from holding office
     

    Replies: @Kyle a

    Why do you even respond to this poorly constructed individual?

  83. “In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed.”

    Austin doesn’t represent “all-black ruin”. Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Furthermore, this quota system is coercion. I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association. Real Estate brokers had to be “gently persuaded”, and homeowners had to have “faith” in this process. What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose? With Black-a-Block, their individual liberty is seized by elitist “race realists”.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Corvinus

    Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?

    I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association.

    This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn't want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know.

    What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose?

    Well right now they can't. So what is your point exactly?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @JerryC
    @Corvinus


    Austin doesn’t represent “all-black ruin”. Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.
     
    85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that's not black urban ruin, I don't know what would qualify.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

  84. [NYT columnist Edsall] asked [Baltimore Sun reporter Doug] Donovan about the response to his story. He wrote back, “The reaction from many was outright racist…”

    Yep, that’s the Baltimore Sun in a nutshell. Attentive to the virtue-signaling needs of its shrinking base of wealthy-liberal subscribers, solicitous of its black soon-to-be readers, typically hard-left in its reporting. And reliably contemptuous of the concerns of the badwhites who are the cause of the region’s problems.

    As a glance at the map of the metropolitan region would suggest, Baltimore County has different sorts of neighborhoods. They range from hardscrabble, dense, mixed-race places abutting the city line, to woodlands and fields with tuck-in McMansion tracts and hobby farms. Five-acre zoning, far from the terminus of any bus or light rail line.

    Sun subscribers who live in the latter SuperZIPs have nothing to fear from Section 8 initiatives. The ring of modest communities described as stable, low-crime, and with-good-schools are the ones in the crosshairs.

    Edsall and Donovan are like Obama, Holder, and Lynch — they never tire of seeking a brave national conversation about race. A conversation that’s another lecture to middle-class white homeowners about how their seeming concerns about neighborhood, crime, education, and home equity are nothing other than racism and white privilege.

    “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing,” the Baltimore Sun‘s reporting about AFFH, and the NYT‘s slant on metro Baltimore (or St. Louis) — more of the same.

  85. @Maj. Kong
    @Broski

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don't immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    There really is no way to have any kind of political symbiosis when the other side makes it clear that we should be a permanent minority without any political power.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Jack Hanson, @dfordoom

    “If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.”

    The Dakotas I hear are nice this time of year.

    On a more serious note, this “ethnic cleansing” and “gun ban” memes by the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups has really been trumped up in recent months, and it will only get more crazier if Hillary is elected.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Corvinus

    Hillary openly said in a town hall meeting that she favors Australian-style gun laws. That was a near total gun ban, and confiscation occurred. Its the outright platform of the Democrats that all illegals will be accorded citizenship, as will any future border crosser.

    If Hillary is "elected", it must get as crazy as possible.

    A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  86. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    I would disagree, Mr. Duck. The Democrats (the Talented Tenth, at least) don’t really care. They moved out to Baltimore County to live with the white folks in safety instead of improving the lives of their own people and making their own communities better.

    And now they taste the bitter pill that comes with Black Flight: it is only temporary. They are now rejoined by the very black folks they were escaping.

  87. An older, but interesting piece from Interfluidity http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/6451.html

    It brought to my attention two things.

    1. This chart

    Eli Schiff offered some similar thought experiments recently, thinking about the acceptability and reputation effects of left- and right-flavored activism in a corporate setting or workplace, depending on whether that activism emphasizes identity or economic concerns. I chatted with Schiff about these, and am indebted to him in thinking about using emphasis on identity politics to cut a 2 x 2 grid. Take a look at his work, his initial cut, or his more elaborate take, also embedded below!

    2. A piece by a guy whose name is Fredrik DeBoer and who exhibits the same madness of his namesakes http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/05/10/what-do-you-owe-to-people-who-are-guilty-of-being-wrong/

    I have argued, and will again, that the existence of tens of millions of nativist racists represents a practical problem to be addressed no matter what your take on their origins. I am not talking about giving concessions that we consider contrary to our basic convictions in an effort to court these voters. I’m not necessarily talking about courting them, as voters, at all. I am not saying we shouldn’t defeat them in elections. I am asking, what do we do with them after the elections have been won? More, I am here asking that we consider whether we want to adopt the basic logic of conservatism: that some people’s distress is deserved and thus safely ignored. Because that is the inevitable consequence of thinking like Krugman.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Romanian

    You reminded that I haven't read Frederik DeBoer in a long time. What a coincidence to check out his blog again and find that he just posted a piece yesterday saying that he's giving up blogging and Twitter:

    http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/08/18/thats-my-time/


    I think it’s time I finally make good on all these hints and leave blogging and Twitter and such behind. I have to find a different way to engage with the world. There just isn’t any place for me in contemporary politics, and at some point, you have to stop yelling at people. I haven’t been an activist for over 10 years, but for a long time I still believed in political progress. And one day not too long ago I woke up and realized I just don’t. Not anymore. And every day, the conversation gets more safe, more corporate, more restricted, less interesting, less honest, and less free.
     
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Romanian

    I've read a few DeBoer columns, and I find that he doth protest too much. He's another one of those leftist writers whom you watch in real time losing faith in his world- awkward writing that circles around the topic because he just can't spit out what he really wants to say.

  88. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    You leftists always lie. Unfortunately, the GOP hasn’t disenfranchised blacks, as they should. But why should any white man care about blacks? They are destroying our cvilization.

  89. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Most republicans do not care about black voters because black voters do not care about themselves, and not only do not care about white voters, actually hate white voters.

  90. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Tiny Duck going off script and embarrassing his co-host Mike Myers:

  91. @Desiderius

    The answer appears to be: pretty much the same thing that keeps people on the same page in 1984: having to somebody to hate.
     
    Well, there's always that, but there is something more obvious. Both the black single mom* wing and the affirmative action hardly working professional female wing in HR/government/NGOs constitute rentier classes that function as parasites on the productive economy.

    * - with baby daddies spreading their seed on the cheap behind the scenes

    Replies: @Hhd

    I remember when the entire handball team of Sweden had an orgy with Usain Bolt at London 2012.

  92. @advancedatheist
    @Thomas

    You really have to wonder why we've let 12-13 percent of the population descended from African slaves turn into this permanent nuisance that spoils everyone's lives, including blacks' lives themselves.

    Replies: @Avenge Harambe, @RadicalCenter

    Gee, it’s almost like some kind of grand plan, or something…. but that would be conspiracy talk.

  93. @Bill Jones
    My wife is back in her native country.
    My questions for her host are:

    Swedish women are most likely to be raped in the developed world.

    The rapists are almost universally immigrants.

    What are Swedish men doing about this?

    What else, other than providing for and protecting their women and siring children have men done?

    Replies: @Avenge Harambe, @Jack Hanson

    Until Swedish men (or German, English, French or even we Americans, for that matter) lose the fear of their governments taking legal sanctions against them for protecting their women and children, things will continue as they are. However, an untenable situation can not last forever, and I think we’re coming to the point where white people collectively will take no more. For example, the term racist has lost much of it’s sting the last few years. All it took was a black President.

  94. “Having the government drop a welfare mother and her brood on your block might not damage your long term property values…”

    You must be kidding. Whether the neighborhood “tips” or not, it will wreak havoc on property values in any upper middle class neighborhood. As soon as prospective buyers see any of the brood….gone.

  95. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000
    @Anon

    Anon, your post on Baltimore City cf. Baltimore County betrays a lack of knowledge about these places. For starters, "Baltimore City" is a County-level jurisdiction that is independent from Baltimore County as it is from Maryland's other counties. The Legislature set it up this way in the early 20th century, when the city was the state's economic engine. Obviously, things have changed since then.

    Replies: @Anon

    You are correct. Baltimore City is independent from Baltimore County.

    There is something fundamentally bizarre about a program that is thoroughly hated yet has a zombie like resistance to elimination. And is very rule based regarding the process being ‘fair’ which ambivalent about the assumed outcome — evenly dispersing poor people. Democratic Chicago managed to eliminate the extreme concentration of poor people living in Cabrini Green. But they didn’t disperse around the Near North Side, in new, lower density mixed income development. Whoops.

    I found this useful.

    http://www.cbpp.org/research/introduction-to-the-housing-voucher-program

    I think I am getting some idea of its history, and even remember certain aspects. A clue is the term, ‘voucher’. It started under Nixon/Ford and enhanced by Reagan. It has this vague libertarian appeal of eliminating funding for the failed PHA high rise projects and instead gives the subsidy directly to beneficiary to find a market based solution. Voucher=Less Government=Good.

    However, the most interesting thing:

    “Housing vouchers are not an entitlement benefit. Because of funding limitations, only one in four households that are eligible for vouchers receive any form of federal housing assistance. ”

    Yet:

    “The voucher program currently assists more than 2 million households.[1] It is the only federal housing program primarily serving poor families that has grown as needs have grown over the last 20 years.”

    It is growing — at least as a percentage of total HUD expenditures, yet is only available to 1/4 of eligible households.

    And:

    “The voucher program is administered at the federal level by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). At the local level, the program is run by approximately 2,400 local, state, and regional housing agencies, known collectively as public housing agencies (PHAs). Many of these are independent public authorities, while others are part of city, county, or state governments and thus are directly under the supervision of elected officials.”

    2400 PHA’s is a lot of agencies.

    The money quote — the separate PHA’s failed to take a regional approach.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-md-hud-county-deal-20160315-story.html

    “The city agency has also passed along approximately $51 million in federal funds to a program run by the nonprofit Baltimore Regional Housing Partnership.

    That organization was born out of a landmark fair housing ruling in Baltimore City known as Thompson v. HUD. In that case a federal judge ruled that HUD had failed to take a regional approach to desegregatingBaltimore’spublic housing.”

    The rulebook stresses the portability of the vouchers. Even though there is a shortage of vouchers — with only 1/4 of eligible households being served, and some PHA’s have available vouchers — nevertheless, an applicant would have to spend 1 year in the new PHA before ‘porting’ it to somewhere desirable.

    My guess is that all 2400 PHA’s feel entitled to serve and protect. And not have to slim down.

    Why doesn’t Baltimore City PHA simply ‘port’ the portable vouchers to the county? Maybe they want to keep their vouchers, has funding implications for the PHA.

    Another contradiction is that they have to use schemes that will *not* result in concentration and therefore can’t use brute force and scale up these moves. They could just mow through the inner suburbs like termites, like when they ethnically cleansed the city. As they trashed neighborhoods, rental prices would decrease to levels that would open a lot of prime housing stock at the required HUD maximum price levels.

    There is also a Chicago Regional Housing Choice Initiative. http://www.hcp-chicago.org/2014/program/project-opportunity/

    I ran across this article in the Atlantic last year. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/chicago-regional-housing-section-eight/398798/

    It took about 10 seconds to determined that Glenview was very unhappy about it. And also, using google map, it seems to be in a fairly cut off, less desirable piece of land. Basically, the thrust of the article that everyone thinks this is a great idea is idiotic. It is hard to tell, exactly, but they seem to be built in areas that need a lot of subsidy to do anything. That is, not the greatest. And Ms Boyd .. she was finding her Northside neighborhood a bit too exciting. So she isn’t a typical southsider.

  96. Jack Hanson says:
    @Louis Renault
    "Rowhouses dominate Baltimore city’s urban core — many decaying and at least 16,000 vacant and uninhabitable;..."

    Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn't that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment? How many homes could be refurbished for $19 million? Of course these are unimportant questions. The real one is: What's the commission on $19 million in home sales? It's not like they were going to negotiate a discount.

    On a bright note the "non-profit" has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson, @Cletus Rothschild

    I have friends who made a great deal of money ripping the guts out of homes in Baltimore for remodeling, but this was back in 2007 or so. Might as well be a different world at this point. I had just gotten out of the Army and needed some work, so I went with them for a few times and made about $300 to $400 daily. The work was hard, and I was told to bring a pistol with me, “just in case” as three of us are white and the fourth is a black guy. Once we arrived at the first job site, I understood why we were being paid so much considering that if “just in case” ever arrived, we were screwed good and hard. Middle of an urban maze with drug deals down the street and all the other stories you hear about Baltimore.

    I worked intermittently with them through the winter but the reality was that something about all the rubble, the hostile glaring, doing everything with a firearm was too much like Iraq for me, and I stopped once I got another job.

  97. @Dave Pinsen
    @Thomas

    You must have missed Trump's last two speeches. Even his nemesis Mark Cuban praised the Thursday one.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack Hanson

    He’s missed the two speeches and the fact that Trump is in a dead heat with Clinton, even in the massaged polls.

    But doom masturbation is an iSteve tradition.

  98. @Romanian
    An older, but interesting piece from Interfluidity http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/6451.html

    It brought to my attention two things.

    1. This chart http://www.interfluidity.com/uploads/2016/05/schiff_corporate_politics.png

    Eli Schiff offered some similar thought experiments recently, thinking about the acceptability and reputation effects of left- and right-flavored activism in a corporate setting or workplace, depending on whether that activism emphasizes identity or economic concerns. I chatted with Schiff about these, and am indebted to him in thinking about using emphasis on identity politics to cut a 2 x 2 grid. Take a look at his work, his initial cut, or his more elaborate take, also embedded below!
     
    2. A piece by a guy whose name is Fredrik DeBoer and who exhibits the same madness of his namesakes http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/05/10/what-do-you-owe-to-people-who-are-guilty-of-being-wrong/

    I have argued, and will again, that the existence of tens of millions of nativist racists represents a practical problem to be addressed no matter what your take on their origins. I am not talking about giving concessions that we consider contrary to our basic convictions in an effort to court these voters. I’m not necessarily talking about courting them, as voters, at all. I am not saying we shouldn’t defeat them in elections. I am asking, what do we do with them after the elections have been won? More, I am here asking that we consider whether we want to adopt the basic logic of conservatism: that some people’s distress is deserved and thus safely ignored. Because that is the inevitable consequence of thinking like Krugman.
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @yaqub the mad scientist

    You reminded that I haven’t read Frederik DeBoer in a long time. What a coincidence to check out his blog again and find that he just posted a piece yesterday saying that he’s giving up blogging and Twitter:

    http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/08/18/thats-my-time/

    I think it’s time I finally make good on all these hints and leave blogging and Twitter and such behind. I have to find a different way to engage with the world. There just isn’t any place for me in contemporary politics, and at some point, you have to stop yelling at people. I haven’t been an activist for over 10 years, but for a long time I still believed in political progress. And one day not too long ago I woke up and realized I just don’t. Not anymore. And every day, the conversation gets more safe, more corporate, more restricted, less interesting, less honest, and less free.

  99. And there’s a lot of grass roots opposition in St. Louis suburbs to proposed suburban apartment complexes.

    The problem with the way that opponents are responding in Baltimore County, Maryland, or Westchester County, New York, or St. Louis and St. Charles County, Missouri, and everywhere else, is that the opposition treats it purely as a matter of local politics; they suffer under the delusion that the drive is purely local, the impetus is purely local, and therefore, the political solution is purely local, and the matter can be solved within the confines of local politics. What they don’t realize is that it’s coming all the way from the top, in this case, Baraq Obama, or to be fair, the Democrat Party, as white hipster urban gentrification interests are a major money-graft component of the Democrat-left. And that’s not even fair, because a lot of the political scaffolding for AFFH happened in the Bush 43 years, and his father, Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects. And there’s nothing any local yokel official can do as long as the Federal government can wield the carrots of Federal subsidies and the stick of Federal fair housing prosecutions. It’s like I reacted when I read the latest local story about a proposed apartment complex in St. Louis County, that all the opponents are mad at the County Councilman, when they have no business being mad at someone who wields one-seventh of the legislative power of a county government, when they should be mad at someone who wields one-oneths of the executive power of the Federal government.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @countenance

    As the Obama years wind down, he will revert to his community organizer roots. The AFFH push will be one of a few last gasps before he hits the links. The post-mortem will list as accomplishments a pile of broken tees, some scuffed and cut driving range balls and a raggedy golf towel with blood stains from his mulligans.

    Replies: @countenance

    , @anon
    @countenance

    First I have heard of AFFH. I am sitting in a coffee shop in a hipster/latino neighborhood. Pilsen. Two weeks ago they had a community march against police violence, for investment in the community, and against gentrification. 5 to 10 people.

    I suppose those Cabrini Green alumni would be living around here without a little help from HUD. Given that Chicago seems to have its way with HUD, I assumed it was a matter knowledge, political power, and the willingness to use it. Shutting down Cabrini ... maybe not the Mount Everest of evicting blacks from an urban neighborhood ... close to it.

    It seems like this would be much more dangerous if there were more vouchers or more money. There are only 2 million of them. Since Cabrini was public housing, they didn't have vouchers -- although there seem to be a lot of preferences for people whose buildings are torn down. Seems like they fucked Dubuque before there was any AFFH.

    The Iowa caucuses seem to do wonders for the porked out farm bill, so Iowa isn't powerless. Chicago has been dealing with 'fair' housing very intensely since the MLK march 50 years ago. When, not surprisingly, everything the haters protested about, worked out exactly like they knew it would. The MLK march reenacters had to ask the BLM protestors to move their march to prevent a conflict. The car thief.

    I defer to other's knowledge on this. HUD would ruin the country if they had the money and focus. On the other hand, everyone knows every city would be Detroit and abandon without enough de facto segregation to maintain a tax base.

    , @yowza
    @countenance


    Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects.
     
    Gee. I wonder how well the Chicago blacks assimilated in Iowa?

    Let's see...

    https://youtu.be/5P3hIvpdjug
  100. @Bill Jones
    My wife is back in her native country.
    My questions for her host are:

    Swedish women are most likely to be raped in the developed world.

    The rapists are almost universally immigrants.

    What are Swedish men doing about this?

    What else, other than providing for and protecting their women and siring children have men done?

    Replies: @Avenge Harambe, @Jack Hanson

    Women in Sweden seem pretty down with crushing anyone who gets out of line from their perches as police commissioners, lawyers, and MPs.

    Maybe she should ask the gynocracy over there what has been done for women by women.

  101. @Louis Renault
    "Rowhouses dominate Baltimore city’s urban core — many decaying and at least 16,000 vacant and uninhabitable;..."

    Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn't that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment? How many homes could be refurbished for $19 million? Of course these are unimportant questions. The real one is: What's the commission on $19 million in home sales? It's not like they were going to negotiate a discount.

    On a bright note the "non-profit" has a giant guaranteed income stream of how many millions? I wonder what their executives are earning.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson, @Cletus Rothschild

    “Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn’t that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment?”

    This is brilliant. It’s a real-world example of the Golden Gate Bridge myth that says that they have to start painting it again as soon as it’s finished. In this case, they could have workers renovating all 16,000 houses and as soon as they’re done, they’d start back at the beginning because by then the tenants will have ruined them. Perpetual employment.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Cletus Rothschild

    e couldn't put tenants in jail for destroying public property, that'd be racis and stuff. Yes, it's so much better to export your problems, even if it's only to the suburbs.

  102. @Maj. Kong
    @Broski

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don't immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    There really is no way to have any kind of political symbiosis when the other side makes it clear that we should be a permanent minority without any political power.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Jack Hanson, @dfordoom

    Whites are going to have to fight, actually fight, if they don’t want the future you describe. Not fight by “posting pithy blog posts” or attending circle jerk conferences with other “white ethnonationalists” in BFE, but actually fight.

  103. Steve, back in the early ’80s there was a big initiative that started under Carter to loosen zoning restrictions in the North Shore suburbs, by which I mean Wilmette, Winnetka, Kenilworth, and points north along Lake Michigan. The idea was to permit group homes, clinics, and other such minority attractants, and quite a few public officials signed on…The proposal would have likely devastated property values in the most exclusive suburbs in Illinois. There was a popular uprising, officials were removed from office, HUD backed off, and property values continued to skyrocket…We had just moved into the area, so I witnessed the end of the drama.

  104. @Anonymous
    Forget about her coalition...Hillary needs to concentrate on showing up for the rest of the campaign.

    She is off again now for three days! Media silence!

    She's been taking long weekends off for a while now and the press just plays along.

    Hillary Clinton is very ill as she nears 70. The corruption of her ethics and the corruption of her body are the stuff of Greek tragedy.

    What a catastrophe! She's back to the low 40's in the polls! Double plus ungood, Winston.

    Replies: @Nico, @Connecticut Famer, @rod1963, @Das

    This issue of Hillary Clinton’s health is starting to get (as Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland said) “curiouser and curiouser.” The MSM may be in her purse but if they care for the well-being of this country they’d better start focusing on this issue, and fast! Though I loathe this woman frankly I hope these health issues are bogus, because if they are not then we have a problem that transcends mere politics.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Connecticut Famer


    ... Though I loathe this woman frankly I hope these health issues are bogus, because if they are not then we have a problem that transcends mere politics.
     
    Honestly, i don't see the big issue. Let's say she's pretty much lost it but still "functioning" by next summer. Then you have Bill back in the White House overseeing stuff, and this time in an upbeat mood because they'll be a 25 year old "nurse" there as well.

    If Hillary really goes over the edge, then you have the 25th amendment, which spells it all out. It's no longer a gray area.

    ~~
    I think this is the most important election of my lifetime--by far. But if we don't get Trump, i'd just as soon have a the crooked, incompetent, hectoring Hillary in there so maybe American men will wake the *f* up!
  105. @candid_observer
    Speaking of Trump, he seems to be going for a kindler, gentler image:

    "Sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that," the GOP nominee, reading from prepared text, said at a rally in Charlotte, N.C. "And believe it or not, I regret it — and I do regret it — particularly where it may have caused personal pain."

    He added that, "Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues." As the crowd cheered, Trump pledged to "always tell you the truth."

     

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article96342552.html

    Precisely because he's Trump, he can apologize like this without seeming weak. Nixon going to China.

    I have a feeling this might be a very effective political move, especially when combined with a renewed focus on the issues. I've always thought they were his greatest political asset.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    One thing that’s surprising about Trump’s expressed regret is that it seems to go in the direction opposite from what one would expect with the new Breitbart campaign management. I guess I anticipated a more personally aggressive approach.

    But the move strikes me as exactly the right sort of thing to do for Trump. It’s obviously taken everybody by surprise. The Hillary camp (which is of course just about everybody in the elite) is now going to be desperate to explain to the public how Adolph Trump might say things so, well, humble, self-critical, and (dare I say it?) sensitive. It’s become a story unto itself, which is more great and positive publicity for Trump.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @candid_observer

    Trump is exposing his kinder, gentler side to capitalize on the wave of sympathy extended by the Rio committee to those drunk swimmers. /s

  106. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

  107. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    I wonder how many $325k houses were actually worth that. I recall some crookery during the housing bubble when mortgage brokers would use comps that were nearby but in decidedly different neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Seems ripe for a bit of front running too.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  108. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    This is the Baltimore City Housing Authority. The City has one and the county has one. And all the counties seem to have one. As far as I can ascertain, these are all HUD funding conduits and being an intermediary between HUD and local developers, not to mention renters and landlords is why people bother with local and county politics.

    Even if the Housing Authority does nothing, there are jobs. Plus, you have your elderly and disabled populations.

    Who gets the houses? Since Baltimore is a majority minority City, friends and family of the Mayor, Police Chief, &c. Who else? It is supposed to be randomish ... but there are so many needs that special outreach efforts can be made on behalf damn near any group. Someone on Social Security Disability, maybe.

    The program is supposed to favor employed families, but 75% have to be 'extremely disadvantaged'. So you have a job, but not a very good one. Go to the top of the list. Exclude anyone with a criminal or drug history. And then you have your final landlord screening. I dunno ... but I have to believe that it will be the least random selection imaginable.

    The real underlying issue. Why do we have two housing authorities in one county? And what if having two Housing Authorities actually increases segregation? So instead of just merging them, they have to come up with a plan.

    Whats the point in blacks finally getting the levers of power if they can't pass out HUD money? And if Baltimore county really hates public housing all that much, why do they have a Housing Authority? Maybe to keep out the City Housing Authority, but they need to Federal cash flowing just like all political entities.

    One other point. Given that these are basically poor people -- how are they supposed to get around in the suburbs? You have to have a car. And it has to be insured. And there are lots of local cops that actually enforce bullshit traffic stuff. Red light cams. And they have courts that never let go.

    The HUD stuff is really complicated. And yes, there is a social agenda. But it is your basic rent seeking bureaucracy first. And then it about subsidizing real estate development/developers. And then a welfare/transfer payment. Social Justice? Of course. Baltimore county has 800,000 people. 30 houses is a black every few square miles. Thank God.

    Replies: @ic1000, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe

    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house. If there was any sort of friendship with this family you could be sure they’d be around asking to “borrow” money. They didn’t get any better (the oldest daughter had twin girls by a low-life acquaintance at a party; he was in and out of jail and never helped her) and our neighborhood suffered continuously until they moved out.

    I don’t think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @stillCARealist


    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house.
     
    Don't forget about "the law's garbage can": nuisance. I've never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I'm aware of no reason why it can't be. And you can sue the owner of the property.

    Replies: @yowza

    , @Lurker
    @stillCARealist


    I don’t think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.
     
    Sounds like win-win to me.
  109. @Anonymous
    Forget about her coalition...Hillary needs to concentrate on showing up for the rest of the campaign.

    She is off again now for three days! Media silence!

    She's been taking long weekends off for a while now and the press just plays along.

    Hillary Clinton is very ill as she nears 70. The corruption of her ethics and the corruption of her body are the stuff of Greek tragedy.

    What a catastrophe! She's back to the low 40's in the polls! Double plus ungood, Winston.

    Replies: @Nico, @Connecticut Famer, @rod1963, @Das

    Of course the press will play along since they are Hillary/Establishment supporters. She could be in a coffin and they’d still spin her as a being dynamic campaigner.

    The press knows full well she’s sick as they come, she shows up at a rally for 20 minutes and disappears for 2-4 days. The fact the she can barely keep her balance without props or walk up stairs without burly men assisting her is very bad news.

    Add in she can’t do a press conference and we’ve got what amounts to a invalid running for president.

    That’s the real story.

    • Agree: Travis
  110. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Ha, Ha, Ha,
    Good one, Tiny Duck.
    You were just trolling….right ?

    The Dems “care” so much about minorities that they are increasing immigrants by a factor of 5.
    Ones that take brown and black jobs, relegate women to houseplant status, and throw LGBTQxyz off the roof.

    True love.

  111. @MEH 0910
    If Hillary Clinton Wins, Foundation Will Stop Accepting Foreign Donations

    Facing criticism for some of the donations given to his family’s philanthropy, Bill Clinton said on Thursday that the Clinton Foundation would no longer accept foreign or corporate money and that he would resign from its board should Hillary Clinton win the presidency.
     
    So if we want to make that happen, we have to elect Hillary. I guess we're being offered a positive incentive from the Clinton campaign for a change, rather than a perverse one.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson, @Some Economist, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    We should also expect a large decline in donations offered if she loses, I would think.

  112. Trump has stated he opposes AFFH, and has telegraphed that to interested opponents in Westchester County. But he needs to come out in the open with this in a big time. Supposedly, his demographic foible is suburban white women, and this would be the perfect way to shore that up.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @countenance

    Have to boil it down so the haughty ladies & gents in affluent suburbs can understand.

  113. We did it very much under the radar,” Amy Wilkinson, the city authority’s fair housing director told The Sun. “We met very early on with the county executives. They understood we had to do it. Their request was to make sure [the homes] are really scattered and make sure we do it quietly.

    Vewy vewy quietly.

    I found myself in this great white working class neighborhood, Hampden, in Baltimore recently. If anyone’s familiar with the neighborhood, I’d love to know more about how they’ve managed to stay in tact there. It borders Johns Hopkins, which helps, but this was no university faculty neighborhood.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden,_Baltimore

    Or, for a geekier look:
    http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Hampden-Baltimore-MD.html

  114. @AnotherDad
    @Tiny Duck


    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor ...
     
    I'm going to answer you more seriously here Duck--though white Democrats' lack of desire to live around blacks is certainly serious.

    If the Democrats care about the inner city poor--i.e. inner city poor blacks--what are the most important public policies that would actually help them?

    It isn't actually moving them out of their communities to white neighborhoods. This is great virtue signalling and a nice annoyance of the wrong sort of white people. But the results show that this doesn't do much for blacks--helps a few, most are unhappy. The blacks moved often miss their friends and relatives that they often rely on--being usually single moms--for childcare and the life. And these neighborhoods are setup for people with reliable cars and often lack the job opportunities that mesh with the blacks' skill set. (Is Dubuque really a better place for a black to live, or to find a job than Chicago?)

    The two most important public policy initiatives that would help inner city blacks:

    1) Stop mass low skill immigration.
    Far and away #1. We need to stop giving low skill American jobs away to foreigners and leave them for our low-skilled Americans.

    The Democrats oppose this. Hillary in fact, vows to stop enforcement, and essentially adopt a quasi--if you can get in you're safe--open border.

    2) Crush inner city crime.
    A safe neighborhood is just way more pleasant and allows folks to lead more orderly lives. High crime is also the #1 reason for non-investment in black areas. Most whites don't actually hate blacks (at least most whites that haven't been victimized) and would actually like to see them do well (nationalism--fellow citizens and all that). However, whites don't want to venture, nor make business investments in areas that are violent and disordered. So the #2 most important public policy initiative would be a full court press--take no prisoners (actually take a lot of prisoners!), zero tolerance, round up all the bad guys--on inner city crime.

    The Democrats oppose this, what spent the last two years mau-mauing that blacks are oppressed by the police all to gin up\keep up black voting. They've actually managed to make the inner city *more* violent, and less worth investing and creating jobs in. But hey, maybe they'll still keep black turnout high ... and that's what really matters.

    ~~
    So there you go Duck. The two most important policies i can think of for actually aiding inner city blacks and the Democrats want the exact reverse. But ... hey, the "care".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    And:

    3. Stop subsidizing bastardy. Encourage marriage.

  115. @countenance
    And there's a lot of grass roots opposition in St. Louis suburbs to proposed suburban apartment complexes.

    The problem with the way that opponents are responding in Baltimore County, Maryland, or Westchester County, New York, or St. Louis and St. Charles County, Missouri, and everywhere else, is that the opposition treats it purely as a matter of local politics; they suffer under the delusion that the drive is purely local, the impetus is purely local, and therefore, the political solution is purely local, and the matter can be solved within the confines of local politics. What they don't realize is that it's coming all the way from the top, in this case, Baraq Obama, or to be fair, the Democrat Party, as white hipster urban gentrification interests are a major money-graft component of the Democrat-left. And that's not even fair, because a lot of the political scaffolding for AFFH happened in the Bush 43 years, and his father, Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects. And there's nothing any local yokel official can do as long as the Federal government can wield the carrots of Federal subsidies and the stick of Federal fair housing prosecutions. It's like I reacted when I read the latest local story about a proposed apartment complex in St. Louis County, that all the opponents are mad at the County Councilman, when they have no business being mad at someone who wields one-seventh of the legislative power of a county government, when they should be mad at someone who wields one-oneths of the executive power of the Federal government.

    Replies: @Ivy, @anon, @yowza

    As the Obama years wind down, he will revert to his community organizer roots. The AFFH push will be one of a few last gasps before he hits the links. The post-mortem will list as accomplishments a pile of broken tees, some scuffed and cut driving range balls and a raggedy golf towel with blood stains from his mulligans.

    • Replies: @countenance
    @Ivy

    I agree with that. All these people who claim that Obama's going to defend his legacy vigorously in the post-Prez years don't understand how lazy he is. On January 19, 2018, these words will be written about Obama's first full year out of office: "I never knew it was physically possible for one man to play that much golf." Sure he's renting a mansion for former Clinton era Press Sex-retary Joe Lockjaw, but that's only for as long as the younger daughter can get through Sidwell Enemies. Once she's off to Harvard, he's outta there for good.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  116. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    one benefit of importing 50 million immigrants since 1970, it has kept the Black population below 14% and is reducing their political power, as immigrants tend to have less compassion and have a much lower opinion of Blacks. Without the massive immigration over the last 40 years, Blacks would be closer 15% of our population today. 60% of hispanic immigrants consider themselves to be white.

    21% of hispanic females marry white men. 32% of Asian females marry white males. So it seems Blacks will remain a dysfunctional minority for the next decades. It is difficult to see how things remain constant, except Blacks will continue to be the most dysfunctional group and the white population will continue to decline. The biggest issue for whites is their declining fertility. White females in America over the last decade. Over the last 5 years more whites have died than were born. The fertility rate for Millennial whites is expected to be 1.6 , but 10% of their children will not be white. Even if immigration is stopped next year, whites will continue to see their numbers drop each and every year. The best thing that could save America would be for the white fertility to get back to replacement levels ASAP. Reducing immigration will help increase White fertility, as it will reduce the demographic pressures , enabling more areas to be suitable for white family formation. If immigration stays above 1 million per year, white fertility will stay well below replacement levels.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Travis


    one benefit of importing 50 million immigrants since 1970, it has kept the Black population below 14% and is reducing their political power,

     

    I keep seeing comments along these lines. They are meaningless. The black proportion of the population has remained the same, but the total population is much higher. So in 1970 there were 25.5 M blacks. In 2010 there were 38.9 M. So almost 14 M more. Maybe that's why it seems blacks are showing up in more and more places. There are lots more of them. But the square mileage of America since 1970 hasn't increased an inch.

    And if those 14 M blacks concentrate in certain areas, as they do, that increased their political power mightily.
  117. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    One thing that's surprising about Trump's expressed regret is that it seems to go in the direction opposite from what one would expect with the new Breitbart campaign management. I guess I anticipated a more personally aggressive approach.

    But the move strikes me as exactly the right sort of thing to do for Trump. It's obviously taken everybody by surprise. The Hillary camp (which is of course just about everybody in the elite) is now going to be desperate to explain to the public how Adolph Trump might say things so, well, humble, self-critical, and (dare I say it?) sensitive. It's become a story unto itself, which is more great and positive publicity for Trump.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Trump is exposing his kinder, gentler side to capitalize on the wave of sympathy extended by the Rio committee to those drunk swimmers. /s

  118. @Dave Pinsen
    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama's fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he'll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Buck Turgidson, @AnotherDad

    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama’s fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he’ll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.

    Dave, you beat me to writing the comment, but i had a similar thought months back, when Section 8 was rearing it’s ugly head.

    Republicans should just pass an amendment that all Section 8 goes only into districts of representatives who vote for it, and the precincts within those districts that voted for the representative. (Part of the Republican caucus can abstain to allow the bill to pass if that’s the desire–but only enough to force all Democrats to vote it.) This is the kind fight the Republicans could have that would be worth a budget fight and “government shutdown” nonsense. It’s an issue that can be described very clearly and viscerally. And it’s about choice: “communities that do not want to have Section 8 don’t have to have it”.

    Count me–hey i’m hear on iSteve–as one of those conservative small “r” republicans that is just annoyed as hell with the both the spinelessness and stupidity of the nominal “Republican” party that is suppose to represent folks like me. Call the Democrats on there slimy b.s.–gentrification for me; section 8 for you disgusting working class white people in Ferguson.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    That sounds like a reasonable compromise: all Section 8 goes to Dem districts but is paid for by GOP districts. Win win win.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Das
    @Jefferson

    Maintaining the demographic status quo of a 85% white country and implementing "black a block" quotas would have worked out OK. I mean, if you're going to end housing segregation, the Oak Park model is the smart, sensible way of doing it.

    Studies have shown that blacks really do benefit from moving to white suburbs, and scattering a small number of blacks around a neighborhood doesn't really hurt property values. The problem is that once you have an overconcentration of blacks in a neighborhood the place typically goes to hell, white flight ensues, and you're left with an all-black neighborhood.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Anonymous

    From La Griffe:

    “Beginning insidiously, the preying of black upon white is barely noticeable until the community is about 20 percent black. At that point, the probability of John being attacked by a black is still only 0.02. However, the probability that at least one member of John’s family will be attacked by a black is about 8 percent. When the black population grows to 50 percent, the likelihood that John will be attacked by a black rises to 8 percent, and the chances are 29 percent that someone in John’s family will be attacked within the year. For most whites, this threat crosses the threshold of intolerability, but those more hardy or less able will remain. As blacks begin to predominate, the situation for whites grows worse rapidly. If John hangs on until his neighborhood is 65 percent black, the risk of victimization will be 15 percent for him and 53 percent for his family. Should John be among the most foolhardy hangers on, when the black population reaches 90 percent, John will have a 54 percent chance of being victimized by blacks, with the chances of someone in his family becoming a victim being better than 95 percent — a virtual certainty.”

    and this:

    “It shows that to a high degree of approximation, the risk John faces from whites is not only independent of neighborhood size, but also neighborhood composition. The probability that John is attacked by whites in a given year is the same no matter where he lives….

    We note that John’s risk from whites remains a bit under 3 percent from the day the first black moves into his neighborhood until the last white leaves.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anonymous

    "Should John be among the most foolhardy hangers on, when the black population reaches 90 percent,"

    The only type of White people who reside in a 90 percent Black zip code are those who are in an interracial relationship with a Black person. I can't see a White couple residing in a 90 percent Negro zip code, especially not a White couple with White kids.

    When a zip code is 90 percent African American, the remaining 10 percent is mostly made up of underclass Hispanics and very rarely Whites.

  120. @Ivy
    @countenance

    As the Obama years wind down, he will revert to his community organizer roots. The AFFH push will be one of a few last gasps before he hits the links. The post-mortem will list as accomplishments a pile of broken tees, some scuffed and cut driving range balls and a raggedy golf towel with blood stains from his mulligans.

    Replies: @countenance

    I agree with that. All these people who claim that Obama’s going to defend his legacy vigorously in the post-Prez years don’t understand how lazy he is. On January 19, 2018, these words will be written about Obama’s first full year out of office: “I never knew it was physically possible for one man to play that much golf.” Sure he’s renting a mansion for former Clinton era Press Sex-retary Joe Lockjaw, but that’s only for as long as the younger daughter can get through Sidwell Enemies. Once she’s off to Harvard, he’s outta there for good.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @countenance

    He shouldn't stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately. He walked W. to the helicopter.

    Replies: @peterike, @countenance

  121. @countenance
    Trump has stated he opposes AFFH, and has telegraphed that to interested opponents in Westchester County. But he needs to come out in the open with this in a big time. Supposedly, his demographic foible is suburban white women, and this would be the perfect way to shore that up.

    Replies: @Ed

    Have to boil it down so the haughty ladies & gents in affluent suburbs can understand.

  122. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @countenance
    And there's a lot of grass roots opposition in St. Louis suburbs to proposed suburban apartment complexes.

    The problem with the way that opponents are responding in Baltimore County, Maryland, or Westchester County, New York, or St. Louis and St. Charles County, Missouri, and everywhere else, is that the opposition treats it purely as a matter of local politics; they suffer under the delusion that the drive is purely local, the impetus is purely local, and therefore, the political solution is purely local, and the matter can be solved within the confines of local politics. What they don't realize is that it's coming all the way from the top, in this case, Baraq Obama, or to be fair, the Democrat Party, as white hipster urban gentrification interests are a major money-graft component of the Democrat-left. And that's not even fair, because a lot of the political scaffolding for AFFH happened in the Bush 43 years, and his father, Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects. And there's nothing any local yokel official can do as long as the Federal government can wield the carrots of Federal subsidies and the stick of Federal fair housing prosecutions. It's like I reacted when I read the latest local story about a proposed apartment complex in St. Louis County, that all the opponents are mad at the County Councilman, when they have no business being mad at someone who wields one-seventh of the legislative power of a county government, when they should be mad at someone who wields one-oneths of the executive power of the Federal government.

    Replies: @Ivy, @anon, @yowza

    First I have heard of AFFH. I am sitting in a coffee shop in a hipster/latino neighborhood. Pilsen. Two weeks ago they had a community march against police violence, for investment in the community, and against gentrification. 5 to 10 people.

    I suppose those Cabrini Green alumni would be living around here without a little help from HUD. Given that Chicago seems to have its way with HUD, I assumed it was a matter knowledge, political power, and the willingness to use it. Shutting down Cabrini … maybe not the Mount Everest of evicting blacks from an urban neighborhood … close to it.

    It seems like this would be much more dangerous if there were more vouchers or more money. There are only 2 million of them. Since Cabrini was public housing, they didn’t have vouchers — although there seem to be a lot of preferences for people whose buildings are torn down. Seems like they fucked Dubuque before there was any AFFH.

    The Iowa caucuses seem to do wonders for the porked out farm bill, so Iowa isn’t powerless. Chicago has been dealing with ‘fair’ housing very intensely since the MLK march 50 years ago. When, not surprisingly, everything the haters protested about, worked out exactly like they knew it would. The MLK march reenacters had to ask the BLM protestors to move their march to prevent a conflict. The car thief.

    I defer to other’s knowledge on this. HUD would ruin the country if they had the money and focus. On the other hand, everyone knows every city would be Detroit and abandon without enough de facto segregation to maintain a tax base.

  123. @countenance
    @Ivy

    I agree with that. All these people who claim that Obama's going to defend his legacy vigorously in the post-Prez years don't understand how lazy he is. On January 19, 2018, these words will be written about Obama's first full year out of office: "I never knew it was physically possible for one man to play that much golf." Sure he's renting a mansion for former Clinton era Press Sex-retary Joe Lockjaw, but that's only for as long as the younger daughter can get through Sidwell Enemies. Once she's off to Harvard, he's outta there for good.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    He shouldn’t stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately. He walked W. to the helicopter.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @Dave Pinsen


    He shouldn’t stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately.

     

    Yes, and we all know how much Obama concerns himself with such things.
    , @countenance
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think if Trump wins, Obama will skip the traditional January 20 handoff ceremonies and be on the golf course at the time Trump is taking the oath.

  124. There are not enough affluent Black neighborhoods in PG County to send all of Baltimore’s Black gangstas, drug dealers, and rapists there through section 8 housing.

  125. @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    It's too bad Coates doesn't engage with critics, because it would be interesting to hear him being made to drill down on this. Because what it sounds like he and others are saying is that it's unfair to black people for them to have to live among black people.

    He might object that the issue isn't living among black people, but living in a high crime area with bad schools, or something like that. Which raises the question: why not address those issues?

    I mean, theoretically, you could. An African American Paul Kagame could crack down on crime, and fix the schools by segmenting them into a military-discipline group for the trouble makers and poor performers, a KIPP/vocational group for the middle, and a laxer honors group for the top performers.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “He might object that the issue isn’t living among black people, but living in a high crime area with bad schools, or something like that.”

    Who’s responsible for making those areas high crime? The Okinawans? Who’s responsible for making those schools bad? The Azoreans?

    Since when did dirt and buildings commit crimes and make schools bad? They are not living things.

    If you flood any affluent community with a mass number of Blacks than the area will no longer be low crime and the schools will no longer be excellent.

  126. An underclass Romanian Gypsy family residing in a Negro neighborhood in Houston.

    That’s a downgrade to move from a Eastern European Whitopia to a Black neighborhood in The United States.

    How many poor underclass Ellis Island European immigrants moved to Negro neighborhoods when they landed in America? Not many. That’s something you expect more from underclass Mexican immigrants.

  127. NIMBY has always been the byword when it comes to housing. It was ever thus and as such illustrates the bifurcated nature of the demokrat party. The same people who rub their hands raw over race are the ones who will howl the loudest if Section 8 housing were to be proposed in their upper income neighborhoods. On the one hand, can you blame them? On the other hand, what goes around comes around. The net result is that, however unlikely, Section 8 housing were to be established in say Chappaqua, it’ll be of the token variety and in any event it won’t be anywhere near the Clinton compound. Instead, you’ll hear the usual banalities put out by flunkies representing the Clinton propaganda machine (“Clinton will increase support for affordable rental housing…” blah, blah, blah).

  128. 2Mintzin1 [AKA "Mike"] says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    @MEH 0910

    Tiny Duck is a troll. I just skip past his stuff. If you feed him he'll keep coming back. He's more than likely some fat, pimply, unpopular teenager with poor personal hygiene, not even smart enough to get into his local nerd clique, and desperately seeking the attention of human beings.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    Interesting observation. I get this sinking feeling, occasionally, when I try to respond with reasoned arguments to some commenter , and get back an answer on the order of
    “UR a dick! LOL!”, that I have been talking to a sixteen-year old.
    Not much point in that.
    I meself, at fifteen, thought that Abby Hoffman was really cool.

    Misspent youth.

  129. @Broski
    A documentary on the Democrats' problem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWHJDr8fxE

    Replies: @yowza, @Buffalo Joe

    A documentary on the Democrats’ problem:

    My favorite ride at Disneyland!

    Negro Pirates of the Carribean

  130. @Corvinus
    "In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed."

    Austin doesn't represent "all-black ruin". Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don't keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Furthermore, this quota system is coercion. I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association. Real Estate brokers had to be “gently persuaded”, and homeowners had to have "faith" in this process. What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose? With Black-a-Block, their individual liberty is seized by elitist "race realists".

    Replies: @peterike, @JerryC

    Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?

    I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association.

    This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn’t want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know.

    What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose?

    Well right now they can’t. So what is your point exactly?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @peterike

    "Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?"

    What are your metrics of "good upkeep" and "poor upkeep"? In what specific regards are they substantially difference. You do realize that in a number of higher crime black neighborhoods residents there do keep up with their properties out of pride.

    "This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn’t want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know."

    The neighborhood association takes away the individual's right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that's the difference.

    "Well right now they can’t. So what is your point exactly?"

    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don't be so naive.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  131. @Travis
    @Broski

    one benefit of importing 50 million immigrants since 1970, it has kept the Black population below 14% and is reducing their political power, as immigrants tend to have less compassion and have a much lower opinion of Blacks. Without the massive immigration over the last 40 years, Blacks would be closer 15% of our population today. 60% of hispanic immigrants consider themselves to be white.

    21% of hispanic females marry white men. 32% of Asian females marry white males. So it seems Blacks will remain a dysfunctional minority for the next decades. It is difficult to see how things remain constant, except Blacks will continue to be the most dysfunctional group and the white population will continue to decline. The biggest issue for whites is their declining fertility. White females in America over the last decade. Over the last 5 years more whites have died than were born. The fertility rate for Millennial whites is expected to be 1.6 , but 10% of their children will not be white. Even if immigration is stopped next year, whites will continue to see their numbers drop each and every year. The best thing that could save America would be for the white fertility to get back to replacement levels ASAP. Reducing immigration will help increase White fertility, as it will reduce the demographic pressures , enabling more areas to be suitable for white family formation. If immigration stays above 1 million per year, white fertility will stay well below replacement levels.

    Replies: @peterike

    one benefit of importing 50 million immigrants since 1970, it has kept the Black population below 14% and is reducing their political power,

    I keep seeing comments along these lines. They are meaningless. The black proportion of the population has remained the same, but the total population is much higher. So in 1970 there were 25.5 M blacks. In 2010 there were 38.9 M. So almost 14 M more. Maybe that’s why it seems blacks are showing up in more and more places. There are lots more of them. But the square mileage of America since 1970 hasn’t increased an inch.

    And if those 14 M blacks concentrate in certain areas, as they do, that increased their political power mightily.

  132. @Dave Pinsen
    @countenance

    He shouldn't stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately. He walked W. to the helicopter.

    Replies: @peterike, @countenance

    He shouldn’t stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately.

    Yes, and we all know how much Obama concerns himself with such things.

  133. @Anonymous
    @Das

    From La Griffe:

    "Beginning insidiously, the preying of black upon white is barely noticeable until the community is about 20 percent black. At that point, the probability of John being attacked by a black is still only 0.02. However, the probability that at least one member of John's family will be attacked by a black is about 8 percent. When the black population grows to 50 percent, the likelihood that John will be attacked by a black rises to 8 percent, and the chances are 29 percent that someone in John's family will be attacked within the year. For most whites, this threat crosses the threshold of intolerability, but those more hardy or less able will remain. As blacks begin to predominate, the situation for whites grows worse rapidly. If John hangs on until his neighborhood is 65 percent black, the risk of victimization will be 15 percent for him and 53 percent for his family. Should John be among the most foolhardy hangers on, when the black population reaches 90 percent, John will have a 54 percent chance of being victimized by blacks, with the chances of someone in his family becoming a victim being better than 95 percent -- a virtual certainty."

    and this:

    "It shows that to a high degree of approximation, the risk John faces from whites is not only independent of neighborhood size, but also neighborhood composition. The probability that John is attacked by whites in a given year is the same no matter where he lives….

    We note that John's risk from whites remains a bit under 3 percent from the day the first black moves into his neighborhood until the last white leaves."

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Should John be among the most foolhardy hangers on, when the black population reaches 90 percent,”

    The only type of White people who reside in a 90 percent Black zip code are those who are in an interracial relationship with a Black person. I can’t see a White couple residing in a 90 percent Negro zip code, especially not a White couple with White kids.

    When a zip code is 90 percent African American, the remaining 10 percent is mostly made up of underclass Hispanics and very rarely Whites.

  134. @Cletus Rothschild
    @Louis Renault

    "Does anybody in Baltimore need a job, maybe fixing up homes? Doesn’t that put money in the community where it will stimulate employment?"

    This is brilliant. It's a real-world example of the Golden Gate Bridge myth that says that they have to start painting it again as soon as it's finished. In this case, they could have workers renovating all 16,000 houses and as soon as they're done, they'd start back at the beginning because by then the tenants will have ruined them. Perpetual employment.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    e couldn’t put tenants in jail for destroying public property, that’d be racis and stuff. Yes, it’s so much better to export your problems, even if it’s only to the suburbs.

  135. @CJ
    @International Jew

    Mississippi is 59% white and went for Romney 55.3 to 43.8. So Baltimore County is whiter but nonetheless went Democrat. Gotta be a lotta libs there. Let them enjoy the enrichment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Louis Renault

    It ain’t white, its SJW.

  136. @MEH 0910
    If Hillary Clinton Wins, Foundation Will Stop Accepting Foreign Donations

    Facing criticism for some of the donations given to his family’s philanthropy, Bill Clinton said on Thursday that the Clinton Foundation would no longer accept foreign or corporate money and that he would resign from its board should Hillary Clinton win the presidency.
     
    So if we want to make that happen, we have to elect Hillary. I guess we're being offered a positive incentive from the Clinton campaign for a change, rather than a perverse one.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson, @Some Economist, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    If Hillary loses, the Clintons may indeed continue to allow donations by foreign interests seeking influence. But if Hillary loses, what influence will the Clintons be able to deliver with no prospects of regaining power in government? The donations of the past years could be viewed as buying options on influence for the case the Clintons regain control of the federal executive. If she fails to get elected, they expire more or less worthless. If she gets elected, they’ll be priceless because they won’t be making any more if the Foundation stops taking that kind of contributions.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta


    If she gets elected, they’ll be priceless because they won’t be making any more if the Foundation stops taking that kind of contributions.
     
    Astute. Then we should see a stampede of foreign contributions by foreigners bullish on Hillary's election prospects..
  137. @Dave Pinsen
    @countenance

    He shouldn't stay in DC at all after January 20th. Custom is to leave immediately. He walked W. to the helicopter.

    Replies: @peterike, @countenance

    I think if Trump wins, Obama will skip the traditional January 20 handoff ceremonies and be on the golf course at the time Trump is taking the oath.

  138. @Corvinus
    "In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed."

    Austin doesn't represent "all-black ruin". Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don't keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Furthermore, this quota system is coercion. I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association. Real Estate brokers had to be “gently persuaded”, and homeowners had to have "faith" in this process. What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose? With Black-a-Block, their individual liberty is seized by elitist "race realists".

    Replies: @peterike, @JerryC

    Austin doesn’t represent “all-black ruin”. Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that’s not black urban ruin, I don’t know what would qualify.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JerryC

    So about 1 out of every 200 people in the Austin neighborhood of Chicago is subjected to Murder or Attempted Murder each year.

    That's bad.

    , @Corvinus
    @JerryC

    "85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that’s not black urban ruin, I don’t know what would qualify."

    Black urban violence by members of the black underclass. I would like to know how many crimes are committed by residents there compared to non-residents.

  139. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    Tiny, I wished that the mothers and absent fathers of the majority of the children benefiting from these HUD programs cared as much as you do. That would go a long way toward solving most of the problems in black communities. Notice that the annual housing subsidies in this story are $51 million per year.

  140. @JerryC
    @Corvinus


    Austin doesn’t represent “all-black ruin”. Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.
     
    85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that's not black urban ruin, I don't know what would qualify.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

    So about 1 out of every 200 people in the Austin neighborhood of Chicago is subjected to Murder or Attempted Murder each year.

    That’s bad.

  141. From the part of Edsall’s article you didn’t quote

    Two recently published studies provide powerful empirical support for programs attempting to move poor people out of Baltimore City into County neighborhoods with more opportunity.

    The first study found that the city ranked far and away the worst of the 100 largest cities and counties in measures of the life chances of children in low-income families.

    The second study, “Moved to Opportunity: The Long-Run Effect of Public Housing Demolition on Labor Market Outcomes on Children,” by Eric Chyn, a professor of economics at the University of Virginia, found a substantial positive impact on children who were moved to better neighborhoods after being displaced (as a consequence of public housing demolition) from concentrated poverty. These children “are 9 percent more likely to be employed and earn 16 percent more as adults” than those who were not displaced, Chyn reported.

    The original has links but my blockquote does not.

    You’ll never guess to whom the first study refers. I’ll give you a hint: Chetty Chetty Bang Bang.

    It is my contention that Chetty’s research, Chyn’s research, the Grusky-Mitnik research, and all others which come to this conclusion are politically loaded pseudo-science that start with the conclusion and work the evidence and data around it. All because they know there’s a market for “proof” that moving ghetto blacks out of cities and unloading them on some other sucker will be good for them.

  142. @Broski
    A documentary on the Democrats' problem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMWHJDr8fxE

    Replies: @yowza, @Buffalo Joe

    JS, I loved the Tricked-up Bicycles with the LED rims, all ridden by adults too, that is mos def missing in my neighborhood.

  143. @stillCARealist
    @Anon

    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house. If there was any sort of friendship with this family you could be sure they'd be around asking to "borrow" money. They didn't get any better (the oldest daughter had twin girls by a low-life acquaintance at a party; he was in and out of jail and never helped her) and our neighborhood suffered continuously until they moved out.

    I don't think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house.

    Don’t forget about “the law’s garbage can”: nuisance. I’ve never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I’m aware of no reason why it can’t be. And you can sue the owner of the property.

    • Replies: @yowza
    @ben tillman


    Don’t forget about “the law’s garbage can”: nuisance. I’ve never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I’m aware of no reason why it can’t be. And you can sue the owner of the property.
     
    It's a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day. Since most don't work, they'll wait till you leave for your job and vandalize your property. Often, they don't even bother, or are too stupid to look you up, but just assume it's you because you're white.

    First, you need to organize a Neighborhood Watch. Then when you call because of whatever, you all call at once, so they can't focus on just you.

    Basically, you're turning yourself into a Neighborhood NATO, in an effort to derail the essentially fascist negros attempting to infiltrate your borders and take over.

    Also, if you're being ignored by your local councilman, threaten a class action lawsuit against the city, your local city councilman will pay more attention, since a public hearing regarding the horrors of Section 8 is to be avoided at all costs. Same goes for the landlord, though many will hide behind the a corporate veil, or a trust account. Once you find them and threaten them with a concerted legal attack, they'll take notice.

    Section 8 is an aggressive attack against the middle class, plain and simple. You have to get organized, be a bit militant, and not mind being as manipulative as they are, to defeat them. It can be done, it's just a lot of work, and they depend on you having a job, they use that against you, so that you're too tired, overwhelmed, or not willing to carry on against them.

    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They're lazy people. They are also cowards. When you demand they get some of their own "skin in the game," i.e., make them liable, they run like hell. Always start from that premise when strategizing, and you'll always be a step ahead of them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

  144. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    This is the Baltimore City Housing Authority. The City has one and the county has one. And all the counties seem to have one. As far as I can ascertain, these are all HUD funding conduits and being an intermediary between HUD and local developers, not to mention renters and landlords is why people bother with local and county politics.

    Even if the Housing Authority does nothing, there are jobs. Plus, you have your elderly and disabled populations.

    Who gets the houses? Since Baltimore is a majority minority City, friends and family of the Mayor, Police Chief, &c. Who else? It is supposed to be randomish ... but there are so many needs that special outreach efforts can be made on behalf damn near any group. Someone on Social Security Disability, maybe.

    The program is supposed to favor employed families, but 75% have to be 'extremely disadvantaged'. So you have a job, but not a very good one. Go to the top of the list. Exclude anyone with a criminal or drug history. And then you have your final landlord screening. I dunno ... but I have to believe that it will be the least random selection imaginable.

    The real underlying issue. Why do we have two housing authorities in one county? And what if having two Housing Authorities actually increases segregation? So instead of just merging them, they have to come up with a plan.

    Whats the point in blacks finally getting the levers of power if they can't pass out HUD money? And if Baltimore county really hates public housing all that much, why do they have a Housing Authority? Maybe to keep out the City Housing Authority, but they need to Federal cash flowing just like all political entities.

    One other point. Given that these are basically poor people -- how are they supposed to get around in the suburbs? You have to have a car. And it has to be insured. And there are lots of local cops that actually enforce bullshit traffic stuff. Red light cams. And they have courts that never let go.

    The HUD stuff is really complicated. And yes, there is a social agenda. But it is your basic rent seeking bureaucracy first. And then it about subsidizing real estate development/developers. And then a welfare/transfer payment. Social Justice? Of course. Baltimore county has 800,000 people. 30 houses is a black every few square miles. Thank God.

    Replies: @ic1000, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe

    Anon, twenty miles east of here is Batavia, NY, which is currently benefiting from America’s new love of Greek Yogurt. There are major dairy farms surrounding the city and two new GY production facilities. As you enter Batavia from the west you notice some new apartment complexes with signage that notes that they are part of NY State’s affordable housing effort. The apartments are about two miles outside of the city and it’s grocery stores, Walmart, Target etc. There is no public transportation in Batavia. Is that the next step. A new cabinet level post Department of Public Transportation?

  145. @Connecticut Famer
    @Anonymous

    This issue of Hillary Clinton's health is starting to get (as Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland said) "curiouser and curiouser." The MSM may be in her purse but if they care for the well-being of this country they'd better start focusing on this issue, and fast! Though I loathe this woman frankly I hope these health issues are bogus, because if they are not then we have a problem that transcends mere politics.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    … Though I loathe this woman frankly I hope these health issues are bogus, because if they are not then we have a problem that transcends mere politics.

    Honestly, i don’t see the big issue. Let’s say she’s pretty much lost it but still “functioning” by next summer. Then you have Bill back in the White House overseeing stuff, and this time in an upbeat mood because they’ll be a 25 year old “nurse” there as well.

    If Hillary really goes over the edge, then you have the 25th amendment, which spells it all out. It’s no longer a gray area.

    ~~
    I think this is the most important election of my lifetime–by far. But if we don’t get Trump, i’d just as soon have a the crooked, incompetent, hectoring Hillary in there so maybe American men will wake the *f* up!

  146. From personal experience, I can tell you that the evil part of this Section 8 business that liberals ignore is it makes prisoners of older people who spent years paying off their homes. Homes they’ve lived in for most of their lives. And even then, they’re still a high priority target.

    It’s absolutely heartbreaking to live long enough to see your neighborhood you carefully chose, that is filled with so many memories, turned into a war zone full of predators in a couple of months:

  147. Here’s the story
    of an old white lady,
    who caught some black thugs*
    ransacking her home.
    All of them had hair of nap,
    like their mothers,
    and she was all alone:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-brady-bunch-burglar-20160819-snap-story.html

    *based on LATimes refusal to give a description of the perps, though they were seen by the victim.

  148. Lol, tiny duck cuck fetishism yet again gets posted, but expressing a level of resistance beyond “commenting on blogs” sends Steve straight to the fainting couch.

    Now send Steve a 20 for being such an iconoclast.

  149. @ben tillman
    @stillCARealist


    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house.
     
    Don't forget about "the law's garbage can": nuisance. I've never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I'm aware of no reason why it can't be. And you can sue the owner of the property.

    Replies: @yowza

    Don’t forget about “the law’s garbage can”: nuisance. I’ve never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I’m aware of no reason why it can’t be. And you can sue the owner of the property.

    It’s a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day. Since most don’t work, they’ll wait till you leave for your job and vandalize your property. Often, they don’t even bother, or are too stupid to look you up, but just assume it’s you because you’re white.

    First, you need to organize a Neighborhood Watch. Then when you call because of whatever, you all call at once, so they can’t focus on just you.

    Basically, you’re turning yourself into a Neighborhood NATO, in an effort to derail the essentially fascist negros attempting to infiltrate your borders and take over.

    Also, if you’re being ignored by your local councilman, threaten a class action lawsuit against the city, your local city councilman will pay more attention, since a public hearing regarding the horrors of Section 8 is to be avoided at all costs. Same goes for the landlord, though many will hide behind the a corporate veil, or a trust account. Once you find them and threaten them with a concerted legal attack, they’ll take notice.

    Section 8 is an aggressive attack against the middle class, plain and simple. You have to get organized, be a bit militant, and not mind being as manipulative as they are, to defeat them. It can be done, it’s just a lot of work, and they depend on you having a job, they use that against you, so that you’re too tired, overwhelmed, or not willing to carry on against them.

    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They’re lazy people. They are also cowards. When you demand they get some of their own “skin in the game,” i.e., make them liable, they run like hell. Always start from that premise when strategizing, and you’ll always be a step ahead of them.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @yowza


    It’s a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day.
     
    Yes, but judicious use of audio and video surveillance can make their threats counterproductive. They wind up facing criminal charges in addition to getting booted.
    , @ben tillman
    @yowza


    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They’re lazy people. They are also cowards.
     
    You are right.
  150. @Anonymous
    Forget about her coalition...Hillary needs to concentrate on showing up for the rest of the campaign.

    She is off again now for three days! Media silence!

    She's been taking long weekends off for a while now and the press just plays along.

    Hillary Clinton is very ill as she nears 70. The corruption of her ethics and the corruption of her body are the stuff of Greek tragedy.

    What a catastrophe! She's back to the low 40's in the polls! Double plus ungood, Winston.

    Replies: @Nico, @Connecticut Famer, @rod1963, @Das

    As I said before, if it’s true that Hillary Clinton is on her deathbed, that’s the best thing that could happen to her campaign. If she dies, she’s going to be replaced by the much more popular Tim Kaine.

    In fact, if I were a Democratic operative I’d be spreading the Hillary health rumors to swing voters who dislike both of the major candidates. Encourage people to vote for Hillary by explaining that she won’t be around for much longer.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Das

    Das, I don't know how it works, but I would think that if Hilary was incapacitated the Bernie supporters would rally for a Sanders campaign redux.

    , @Brutusale
    @Das

    Fauxcahontas is altering her schtick to appear more middle of the road. SHE is the fallback for the Dems. The Gynocracy will not be denied, especially not by stale pale males like Kaine and Sanders.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/08/elizabeth_warren_alters_plan_of_attack

  151. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    You need to get out more. Or get a job or something.

  152. @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck


    supports women’s rights to contraception and abortion
     
    Tiny Duck, you are someone who is on the record for supporting the "rape" of white women by men of color. Are you only for contraception and abortion rights for women of color, and against contraception and abortion rights for white women?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Olorin

    TD works for a pro-Hillary PR firm in California.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Olorin

    And lives with his male "husband" (I think Tiny Dick is the "wife") and their ADORRRRRABLE little doggies.

  153. @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    The “problem” Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged

    Lulzzz!

    Final proof of the need to ignore Tiny Dick.

    But before I do, care to explain how mass immigration helps the inner city poor, the homeless, the unemployed?

    ?

    That’s what I thought. . .

  154. @Romanian
    An older, but interesting piece from Interfluidity http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/6451.html

    It brought to my attention two things.

    1. This chart http://www.interfluidity.com/uploads/2016/05/schiff_corporate_politics.png

    Eli Schiff offered some similar thought experiments recently, thinking about the acceptability and reputation effects of left- and right-flavored activism in a corporate setting or workplace, depending on whether that activism emphasizes identity or economic concerns. I chatted with Schiff about these, and am indebted to him in thinking about using emphasis on identity politics to cut a 2 x 2 grid. Take a look at his work, his initial cut, or his more elaborate take, also embedded below!
     
    2. A piece by a guy whose name is Fredrik DeBoer and who exhibits the same madness of his namesakes http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/05/10/what-do-you-owe-to-people-who-are-guilty-of-being-wrong/

    I have argued, and will again, that the existence of tens of millions of nativist racists represents a practical problem to be addressed no matter what your take on their origins. I am not talking about giving concessions that we consider contrary to our basic convictions in an effort to court these voters. I’m not necessarily talking about courting them, as voters, at all. I am not saying we shouldn’t defeat them in elections. I am asking, what do we do with them after the elections have been won? More, I am here asking that we consider whether we want to adopt the basic logic of conservatism: that some people’s distress is deserved and thus safely ignored. Because that is the inevitable consequence of thinking like Krugman.
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @yaqub the mad scientist

    I’ve read a few DeBoer columns, and I find that he doth protest too much. He’s another one of those leftist writers whom you watch in real time losing faith in his world- awkward writing that circles around the topic because he just can’t spit out what he really wants to say.

  155. @Das
    @Anonymous

    As I said before, if it's true that Hillary Clinton is on her deathbed, that's the best thing that could happen to her campaign. If she dies, she's going to be replaced by the much more popular Tim Kaine.

    In fact, if I were a Democratic operative I'd be spreading the Hillary health rumors to swing voters who dislike both of the major candidates. Encourage people to vote for Hillary by explaining that she won't be around for much longer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Brutusale

    Das, I don’t know how it works, but I would think that if Hilary was incapacitated the Bernie supporters would rally for a Sanders campaign redux.

  156. Polling results on the ideological test proposed by Trump:

    Seventy-three percent (73%) agree with the Republican presidential nominee’s call for a government screening test for those looking to enter the country that determines whether they have hostile attitudes towards the United States and its constitutional freedoms. Only 18% are opposed to this kind of test.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/august_2016/most_support_trump_s_call_for_immigration_restrictions_screening_test

    Those are some pretty amazing numbers.

    What is Hillary going to say in answer? Even given overwhelming numbers like this, I don’t see how she’s going to find a way to support the test: inherently, it would keep out Muslims who are loyal to their faith, because, in fact, there are no — or virtually no — genuinely moderate Muslims, especially coming in as immigrants. Given that Muslim activists/clerics can’t accept the provisions in such a test, Hillary won’t be able to either.

    I foresee a meltdown on the left over this.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    I foresee a meltdown on the left over this.
     
    I hope you're right. Your comment makes me feel a little bit better.
  157. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Unfortunately, you liberals are very intolerant towards the police but very tolerant towards black criminals – as long as those criminals don’t live in your neighborhoods.

  158. @stillCARealist
    @Anon

    I mentioned this a long time ago, but we had a section 8 family come to live in our suburban neighborhood and it was a total disaster, for them and for us. The police were there constantly, breaking up fights, we all experienced petty thefts, they had roaches infest the house. If there was any sort of friendship with this family you could be sure they'd be around asking to "borrow" money. They didn't get any better (the oldest daughter had twin girls by a low-life acquaintance at a party; he was in and out of jail and never helped her) and our neighborhood suffered continuously until they moved out.

    I don't think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Lurker

    I don’t think this large, messed-up black family wanted to be around middle class whites and Asians who seem to have it all together. All it did was highlight their inability to live a middle class life. And it confirmed all our worst racial stereotypes. lose-lose.

    Sounds like win-win to me.

  159. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @ScarletNumber


    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.
     
    You're right, but they're outrageously wrong because they are the intolerant ones. The ones they deem intolerant are perfectly happy with "live and let live". Those whom they deem intolerant just want to separate and have their own domain.

    The Left demands dominion over everyone. They won't allow White "racists" to establish ethnostates where there are no Blacks or Jews whom they can oppress. That's intolerance.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  160. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @MEH 0910

    If Hillary loses, the Clintons may indeed continue to allow donations by foreign interests seeking influence. But if Hillary loses, what influence will the Clintons be able to deliver with no prospects of regaining power in government? The donations of the past years could be viewed as buying options on influence for the case the Clintons regain control of the federal executive. If she fails to get elected, they expire more or less worthless. If she gets elected, they'll be priceless because they won't be making any more if the Foundation stops taking that kind of contributions.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    If she gets elected, they’ll be priceless because they won’t be making any more if the Foundation stops taking that kind of contributions.

    Astute. Then we should see a stampede of foreign contributions by foreigners bullish on Hillary’s election prospects..

  161. Interesting emerging religious group in France. They call themselves “The Soldiers of Christ.” Their doctrine discards turning the other cheek when someone gives them a hard time.

    Apparently, this vid was filmed a few days after a priest was beheaded by a couple of terrorists, the city of Paris decided to do something very symbolic: demolishing a church. The Christians tried to protect the church (Sainte Rita), the State sent in 12 units of heavy armed police. The Priest was literally dragged across the building by the police.

    Prior to the vid, an Afro-Frenchman was standing around behind them while they were on their knees praying about the church, playing annoying music on his cell phone. They asked him to stop, and he walked away, then returned with the music still playing, and said “you people are ridiculous.” They didn’t like that.

    I’ve found the French to be pretty laid back, until they’re not:

  162. @Tiny Duck
    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @MEH 0910, @syonredux, @IHTG, @King George III, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Olorin, @Joe Walker, @ScarletNumber, @yowza

    Liberals, mostly, are a very diverse constituency. Because groups of us have been outcasts at one time or another, we share a common distaste for intolerance, and it has given us empathy. If we wag our fingers or thump a bible, it is usually towards those lacking empathy. And that quality is what will bind us together in November.

    I think there’s more than a few liberal democrats who are outcasts for very good reason, and democrats will never learn that sometimes intolerance is not only a good thing, it’s essential to modern civilization:

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-convicted-again-for-selling-animal-7940797.php#photo-4511542

  163. Incidentally, white people, even married white people, with degrees, even, can qualify for Section 8. That was one possibility that showed up in our search for a bigger place. My wife told me that if she didn’t return to work after the third kid, we could get on the list with no problem. (And why should she return to work, just to be taxed to support someone else’s Section 8?)

    The main drawback is that, in our area, the wait for a Section 8 property is now up to eight years. How does that help the working poor? Shoot, the oldest kid will be packing for college, thus risking the family’s eligibility by thus downsizing. What better proof is there that this program is not meant to help the poor, but instead to change neighborhoods, and irreversibly at that?

    However, it is fun to imagine the look of relief on the new neighbors’ faces when, after losing a string of court battles, they see a white couple with legitimate children and no police record move in.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Where do you live, Reg? Here in the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts, we have able-bodied 20-something males with $1,400 housing vouchers.

    I have a realtor friend who helps her landlord neighbor handle the rentals in his two apartment buildings, and the stories she tells about the abuse of the program will curl your hair. It's mostly driven by the rife scamming of SSDI benefits.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  164. @Polynikes
    If Republicans were smart they would enforce these policies in liberal states when the republicans are in charge. They could drive this wedge themselves, but Bush was too focused on pushing mortgages to the poor.

    Replies: @Yo Trump, @Chase, @George, @Bill P

    Totally agree. I think liberals should bathe in their own policies.

    But the problem is that Northern Republicans have always been willing to bail them out. They’ll swoop in to the rescue and take the sting out of it for their upper middle class constituencies in blue state suburbs. These are the never Trump Republicans, and their day has come and gone. I don’t really like Trump, but I appreciate what he’s done to weaken that faction. I really, truly am grateful for that. It’s time to put these Republicans in a political nursing home.

    Only then can we deal with the Democrat Huns.

  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The "problem" Democrats have is that they actually CARE what happens to the inner city poor and less advantaged and recognize that if they prosper, we all prosper. Sure, affluent Democrats are going to say not In My Backyard, but so do affluent Republicans, only more vigorously.

    The reason Democrats have this "problem" and Republicans don't is because Republicans don't care one iota about the problems of minorities, especially Black Americans and this has been reflected at the polling booths for 60 years.

    It's the Republicans who have a problem. They don't care about Black voters because Black voters don't vote for them because they don't care about Black voters. Instead, where they can, Republicans' answer is to disenfranchise Black voters.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Chase, @MC, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Big Bill, @George Strong, @ronehjr, @ATX Hipster, @boogerbently, @Buffalo Joe, @Lurker, @Anonymous

    That’s probably the most blatantly ignorant post I’ve read all day. Yeah, Dems cared so much for minorities that they were the ones who were against equal opportunity way back in the day; and when their liberal policies are carried out, the ones that lead to the most destruction of the black community- welfare dependency, crime rates, children born out of wedlock, drug use, you name it.

    That being said, why should anyone bend over backwards for minorities? They’re people, too, and they’re people causing more trouble, and contributing less positive in return. If a coworker in your unit at your job slacks off a lot when work needs to be done and steals peoples’ lunches, should people in other units whine and blame you when you want to avoid working with him?

    Why the hell should I care that people don’t want to live around blacks when they commit vastly more crime, especially serious crimes like murder and rape? That’s a natural, sane response. And if it means that peaceful blacks are viewed with suspicion, they should be getting angry at their fellow blacks out causing so much trouble rather than blaming whites. Getting angry at whites in this situation would be like getting angry at women for wanting to carry small mace canisters in their purse and walk in groups at night when traveling around in big cities.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @Anonymous

    nd if it means that peaceful blacks are viewed with suspicion, they should be getting angry at their fellow blacks out causing so much trouble rather than blaming whites.

    This.

  166. @Maj. Kong
    @Broski

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don't immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    There really is no way to have any kind of political symbiosis when the other side makes it clear that we should be a permanent minority without any political power.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Jack Hanson, @dfordoom

    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.

    The more immediate problem will be an all-out assault on freedom of speech. Not by the government but by the globalist corporations that control the internet (thus evading the First Amendment). Expect a massive campaign to make social media a “safe space.”

    The aim will be to ensure that nothing like the Trump campaign will ever again be permitted to gain any traction at all.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    Preventing the Buchanan wing from gaining ascendency again is quite easy, as it took Trump's force of personality to overcome the institutional power of the other factions. We can recognize the good work of people like Peter Brimelow, but he's a drop in the ocean compared to the Koch Brothers.

    A Trump defeat will first result in an avalanche of "I told you so" from the neocons and purists. The second reaction will be a mass movement towards "moderation" from the grassroots, where you see many former social conservatives switch their beliefs literally overnight. Do not underestimate the desire of many to hold power at any cost to their values. A third, and much more powerful reaction, will be a behind-the-scenes compiling dossiers on anyone that was or is suspected of being a Trump supporter, to exile them permanently from political activism.

    But for the establishment and purist factions, none of this will work. Clinton hegemony will have no use for any collaboration with the Congressional Republicans, as she is going to tell the DOJ to force the redistricting of all Republican-drawn maps. The GOP would also be unlikely to keep the Senate majority due to internal splits and bad press from being attached to a losing Trump.

    That is why the "self-determination" strategy is important in the event of a Clinton "victory". As a meme it is powerful, and could draw the support of disappointed purists that realize that True Conservatism (TM) has no future in a country with Third World demographics.

    Another useful counterpart to "self-determination" is "Conservatives for BDS". By creating a threat, even an exaggerated or imaginary one to Israel, the neocons could be reined into supporting the first movement.

    Elected liberal tyranny, is still tyranny.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  167. @yowza
    @ben tillman


    Don’t forget about “the law’s garbage can”: nuisance. I’ve never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I’m aware of no reason why it can’t be. And you can sue the owner of the property.
     
    It's a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day. Since most don't work, they'll wait till you leave for your job and vandalize your property. Often, they don't even bother, or are too stupid to look you up, but just assume it's you because you're white.

    First, you need to organize a Neighborhood Watch. Then when you call because of whatever, you all call at once, so they can't focus on just you.

    Basically, you're turning yourself into a Neighborhood NATO, in an effort to derail the essentially fascist negros attempting to infiltrate your borders and take over.

    Also, if you're being ignored by your local councilman, threaten a class action lawsuit against the city, your local city councilman will pay more attention, since a public hearing regarding the horrors of Section 8 is to be avoided at all costs. Same goes for the landlord, though many will hide behind the a corporate veil, or a trust account. Once you find them and threaten them with a concerted legal attack, they'll take notice.

    Section 8 is an aggressive attack against the middle class, plain and simple. You have to get organized, be a bit militant, and not mind being as manipulative as they are, to defeat them. It can be done, it's just a lot of work, and they depend on you having a job, they use that against you, so that you're too tired, overwhelmed, or not willing to carry on against them.

    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They're lazy people. They are also cowards. When you demand they get some of their own "skin in the game," i.e., make them liable, they run like hell. Always start from that premise when strategizing, and you'll always be a step ahead of them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    It’s a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day.

    Yes, but judicious use of audio and video surveillance can make their threats counterproductive. They wind up facing criminal charges in addition to getting booted.

  168. @candid_observer
    Polling results on the ideological test proposed by Trump:

    Seventy-three percent (73%) agree with the Republican presidential nominee’s call for a government screening test for those looking to enter the country that determines whether they have hostile attitudes towards the United States and its constitutional freedoms. Only 18% are opposed to this kind of test.
     
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/august_2016/most_support_trump_s_call_for_immigration_restrictions_screening_test

    Those are some pretty amazing numbers.

    What is Hillary going to say in answer? Even given overwhelming numbers like this, I don't see how she's going to find a way to support the test: inherently, it would keep out Muslims who are loyal to their faith, because, in fact, there are no -- or virtually no -- genuinely moderate Muslims, especially coming in as immigrants. Given that Muslim activists/clerics can't accept the provisions in such a test, Hillary won't be able to either.

    I foresee a meltdown on the left over this.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I foresee a meltdown on the left over this.

    I hope you’re right. Your comment makes me feel a little bit better.

  169. @yowza
    @ben tillman


    Don’t forget about “the law’s garbage can”: nuisance. I’ve never seen it used in a Section 8 case, but I’m aware of no reason why it can’t be. And you can sue the owner of the property.
     
    It's a good idea to avoid complaining against the negroes. They can find out who made the complaint, and then it will be hell for you every single day. Since most don't work, they'll wait till you leave for your job and vandalize your property. Often, they don't even bother, or are too stupid to look you up, but just assume it's you because you're white.

    First, you need to organize a Neighborhood Watch. Then when you call because of whatever, you all call at once, so they can't focus on just you.

    Basically, you're turning yourself into a Neighborhood NATO, in an effort to derail the essentially fascist negros attempting to infiltrate your borders and take over.

    Also, if you're being ignored by your local councilman, threaten a class action lawsuit against the city, your local city councilman will pay more attention, since a public hearing regarding the horrors of Section 8 is to be avoided at all costs. Same goes for the landlord, though many will hide behind the a corporate veil, or a trust account. Once you find them and threaten them with a concerted legal attack, they'll take notice.

    Section 8 is an aggressive attack against the middle class, plain and simple. You have to get organized, be a bit militant, and not mind being as manipulative as they are, to defeat them. It can be done, it's just a lot of work, and they depend on you having a job, they use that against you, so that you're too tired, overwhelmed, or not willing to carry on against them.

    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They're lazy people. They are also cowards. When you demand they get some of their own "skin in the game," i.e., make them liable, they run like hell. Always start from that premise when strategizing, and you'll always be a step ahead of them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    Supporters of Section 8 are horrible people. They are ignorant people. They’re lazy people. They are also cowards.

    You are right.

  170. @Corvinus
    @Maj. Kong

    "If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor."

    The Dakotas I hear are nice this time of year.

    On a more serious note, this "ethnic cleansing" and "gun ban" memes by the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups has really been trumped up in recent months, and it will only get more crazier if Hillary is elected.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Hillary openly said in a town hall meeting that she favors Australian-style gun laws. That was a near total gun ban, and confiscation occurred. Its the outright platform of the Democrats that all illegals will be accorded citizenship, as will any future border crosser.

    If Hillary is “elected”, it must get as crazy as possible.

    A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Maj. Kong

    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    "A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war."

    I'm all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day's blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Harry Baldwin

  171. For most folks here this is probably obvious, but i think it’s worth noting that this–Section 8 and AFFH–is exactly the same ideological issue as immigration and anti-nationalism.

    At root it’s about freedom of association. Are a group of people allowed to have their own community or are they to be *forced* to live amongst others with different mores, values, behaviors, culture?

    This last 50 or so the left’s answer has been “yes!”. And forcing white people–and only white people–to live with others, to break their nations and communities has been the left’s great mission. And worse yet, forcing whites to live with others … and making whites pick up the tab for doing it.

    Call it “minority totalitarianism”–it’s been the core ideology of the New Left and is the great evil in the world today.

    • Agree: Kylie
  172. @dfordoom
    @Maj. Kong


    If white conservatives after a Hillary victory don’t immediately pushing for a nation-state of their own, they are almost certainly going to face ethnic cleansing policies from a permanent leftist government. Gun bans, confiscatory taxation and no prosecution of rape when a white woman is the victim and a nonwhite the aggressor.
     
    The more immediate problem will be an all-out assault on freedom of speech. Not by the government but by the globalist corporations that control the internet (thus evading the First Amendment). Expect a massive campaign to make social media a "safe space."

    The aim will be to ensure that nothing like the Trump campaign will ever again be permitted to gain any traction at all.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Preventing the Buchanan wing from gaining ascendency again is quite easy, as it took Trump’s force of personality to overcome the institutional power of the other factions. We can recognize the good work of people like Peter Brimelow, but he’s a drop in the ocean compared to the Koch Brothers.

    A Trump defeat will first result in an avalanche of “I told you so” from the neocons and purists. The second reaction will be a mass movement towards “moderation” from the grassroots, where you see many former social conservatives switch their beliefs literally overnight. Do not underestimate the desire of many to hold power at any cost to their values. A third, and much more powerful reaction, will be a behind-the-scenes compiling dossiers on anyone that was or is suspected of being a Trump supporter, to exile them permanently from political activism.

    But for the establishment and purist factions, none of this will work. Clinton hegemony will have no use for any collaboration with the Congressional Republicans, as she is going to tell the DOJ to force the redistricting of all Republican-drawn maps. The GOP would also be unlikely to keep the Senate majority due to internal splits and bad press from being attached to a losing Trump.

    That is why the “self-determination” strategy is important in the event of a Clinton “victory”. As a meme it is powerful, and could draw the support of disappointed purists that realize that True Conservatism (TM) has no future in a country with Third World demographics.

    Another useful counterpart to “self-determination” is “Conservatives for BDS”. By creating a threat, even an exaggerated or imaginary one to Israel, the neocons could be reined into supporting the first movement.

    Elected liberal tyranny, is still tyranny.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Maj. Kong


    Elected liberal tyranny, is still tyranny.
     
    Elected tyranny is arguably the most dangerous kind of tyranny. Firstly because so many will fail to recognise it as tyranny, and secondly because elected tyrannies hate and fear dissent more than run-of-the-mill old-fashioned authoritarian tyrannies.
  173. @countenance
    And there's a lot of grass roots opposition in St. Louis suburbs to proposed suburban apartment complexes.

    The problem with the way that opponents are responding in Baltimore County, Maryland, or Westchester County, New York, or St. Louis and St. Charles County, Missouri, and everywhere else, is that the opposition treats it purely as a matter of local politics; they suffer under the delusion that the drive is purely local, the impetus is purely local, and therefore, the political solution is purely local, and the matter can be solved within the confines of local politics. What they don't realize is that it's coming all the way from the top, in this case, Baraq Obama, or to be fair, the Democrat Party, as white hipster urban gentrification interests are a major money-graft component of the Democrat-left. And that's not even fair, because a lot of the political scaffolding for AFFH happened in the Bush 43 years, and his father, Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects. And there's nothing any local yokel official can do as long as the Federal government can wield the carrots of Federal subsidies and the stick of Federal fair housing prosecutions. It's like I reacted when I read the latest local story about a proposed apartment complex in St. Louis County, that all the opponents are mad at the County Councilman, when they have no business being mad at someone who wields one-seventh of the legislative power of a county government, when they should be mad at someone who wields one-oneths of the executive power of the Federal government.

    Replies: @Ivy, @anon, @yowza

    Bush 41, and his HUD, spearheaded the first AFFH-style program when starting in about 1989 or 1990, they decided to use Dubuque, Iowa as dumping grounds for the the people that were about to be displaced in the impending demolition of Chicago public housing projects.

    Gee. I wonder how well the Chicago blacks assimilated in Iowa?

    Let’s see…

  174. @Broski
    Let's assume Trump loses, America's demographic decline continues, and the Dems obtain a Supreme Court majority that will last a generation (though the Wise Latina is likely to keel over prematurely). What actually happens to white America?

    It's not as dire as some may fear. Whites will remain a plurality for a long time, if not forever, and will remain the group with the most net dynamism. Once white hegemony is provably broken, which it will be if Hillary wins, the most energetic immigration enthusiasts will lose their enthusiasm. The media's narrative will change, and we may end up with a stable balance around 40% white, 15% Asian, 20% hispanic, 15% black, 10% miscellaneous.

    Politics will increasingly be a one-party affair governed by machines and back room deals. Whites will exercise influence through those machines, and will punch above their weight as a population. HBD will increasingly spread through the public consciousness, and de facto segregation will remain or intensify.

    Replies: @Thomas, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Maj. Kong, @verylongaccountname, @Travis, @Monopthalmus

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they’ll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They’ll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They’ll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They’ll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they’ll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve’s readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Monopthalmus

    "I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much."

    At the point where Whites are a demographic minority everywhere, Western Civilization will be extinct. I guess you don't find it worth preserving, but many of us disagree.

    Replies: @Monopthalmus

    , @ben tillman
    @Monopthalmus


    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.
     
    It's not an "imminent" genocide. It's an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress. And, unless things change drastically, the genocide will be completed. This is no fantasy; it's an easily proven fact.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Monopthalmus

    , @Lagertha
    @Monopthalmus

    Ok, Steve Squad. Mono (yeech name, btw) is so not worthy of your time. I just read the 10 odd posts or so in his/her history...total "fight with me and I'll fight with you," crap in the # of stats of the posts.

    This person is not worthy...what a load of tired stuff. I told all of you, ALL OF YOU, that people who are anti-Trump have invaded and are trying to infect our squad. Eff them. Don't respond...DO NOT REPLY to their bait and bs. They are SELL-OUTS , you DO NOT HAVE BE.


    Do not communicate with A-holes. I cut my cords years ago with grifters, sociopaths, users, borderline-personality-disorder losers, anyone, anyone who I smelled, was not nice, not genuine. Just do it.

    Replies: @Monopthalmus

    , @dfordoom
    @Monopthalmus


    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they’ll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They’ll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They’ll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They’ll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.
     
    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S. they'll spend their time grovelling to their new masters, hoping desperately that if they abase themselves enough they'll be left alone. They'll be trying as hard as they can to be goodwhites. The more they get kicked the more they'll beg to be kicked some more.

    Never underestimate the overwhelming ethno-masochism of white people. Look at South Africa's whites. That's the future for America's whites.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  175. @TheBoom
    @Tiny Duck

    Democrats do not care about the poor. They just want to virtue signal about how compassionate they are towards the poor. Democrats never reflect on the negative impact their policies have on the very people they are supposedly trying to help.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Tiny Duck: are you African-American? If not, do you nonetheless live in a majority-black neighborhood? If not, why not, oh virtuous one?

    Do you have children of school age? If so, do you send them to a school with a majority or near-majority of black “students”? If not, why not?

    Seems I’ve asked you these questions like these before and not received an answer.

    When you actually put your own life, one of your biggest investments (your home), and the lives and minds of your children at direct severe risk, then you might have a shred of credibility to lecture the rest of us.

    Somehow I don’t think you are yet a mature normal adult man, i.e., it doesn’t seem that you have managed to get yourself and do the very hard, rewarding and essential work of raising children.

  176. @advancedatheist
    @Thomas

    You really have to wonder why we've let 12-13 percent of the population descended from African slaves turn into this permanent nuisance that spoils everyone's lives, including blacks' lives themselves.

    Replies: @Avenge Harambe, @RadicalCenter

    Good question. Also, why are we allowing less than one half of percent of the population bombard us with demands to glorify their mental illness and propagandize our children (“transgenders”)?

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @RadicalCenter

    I have bad news on that front. What used to be called "tom-boys" are now little boys trapped in girls' bodies. And effeminate little boys? Now they are "girls". Look to see a weird sort-of explosion of transism in the next 5 years or so.

    another friend just pulled her son out of school, for homeschooling, because of an issue like this in the 1st grade. First Grade! There was a little girl who loved boy stuff, so the parents decided that she was really a boy on the inside. Imagine trying to explain this to a normal six year old that his friend who's a girl is really a boy.

    I'm so glad I'm an adult now and nobody thought to confuse me with "you're a different gender than you think you look like" when I was a little tom-boy. Man, (can I still use that expression?) kids are going to be so messed up.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  177. @Olorin
    @MEH 0910

    TD works for a pro-Hillary PR firm in California.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    And lives with his male “husband” (I think Tiny Dick is the “wife”) and their ADORRRRRABLE little doggies.

  178. @JerryC
    @Corvinus


    Austin doesn’t represent “all-black ruin”. Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.
     
    85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that's not black urban ruin, I don't know what would qualify.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Corvinus

    “85% black Austin, population 98,514, has 54 homicides and 264 non-fatal shootings so far this year. If that’s not black urban ruin, I don’t know what would qualify.”

    Black urban violence by members of the black underclass. I would like to know how many crimes are committed by residents there compared to non-residents.

  179. @peterike
    @Corvinus

    Like any ethnic/racial areas, you have families who keep up their properties and you have families who don’t keep up their properties. Any white suburb will tell you that.

    Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?

    I thought the Alt-Right sought out freedom of association.

    This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn't want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know.

    What about those white home sellers who want to be able to sell their own piece of property to whomever they choose?

    Well right now they can't. So what is your point exactly?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?”

    What are your metrics of “good upkeep” and “poor upkeep”? In what specific regards are they substantially difference. You do realize that in a number of higher crime black neighborhoods residents there do keep up with their properties out of pride.

    “This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn’t want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know.”

    The neighborhood association takes away the individual’s right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that’s the difference.

    “Well right now they can’t. So what is your point exactly?”

    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don’t be so naive.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    The neighborhood association takes away the individual’s right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that’s the difference.
     
    They volunteered into a legal contract when they bought a poperty that was subject to a neighborhood association in the first place.


    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don’t be so naive.

     

    All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  180. @Maj. Kong
    @Corvinus

    Hillary openly said in a town hall meeting that she favors Australian-style gun laws. That was a near total gun ban, and confiscation occurred. Its the outright platform of the Democrats that all illegals will be accorded citizenship, as will any future border crosser.

    If Hillary is "elected", it must get as crazy as possible.

    A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    “A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war.”

    I’m all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day’s blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Corvinus


    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.
     
    Corvinus sounds like all bait-and-switch operatives. What he fails to tell you is that:

    1. The next President could use executive action, which then has to be fought through the legislature and the courts, and

    2. The legislature can enact unconstitutional laws but it takes years to get such things in front of the Supreme Court and could be confirmed as constitutional depending on the penumbras or taxes one or more justices can discern in the ink on the Constitution.


    I’m all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day’s blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.
     
    Only about 3% of colonists actively engaged in the American Revolution, and another 10% provided moral and financial support.

    I suspect you will turn out to be an armchair toad, however.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Corvinus

    No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    Hillary regularly insists that gun makers be held liable for the misuse of their products. This was the point on which she hammered poor Bernie, as he disagreed with her (but eventually seemed to cave). Holding gun makers liable for the misuse of their products would eventually put them out of business. I recall Bernie tried to make this point, but he just didn't have to spine to stick with it.

    Maybe no one is taking away your gun for the time being, but the ability to buy a new one may be severely curtailed if Hillary gets her way with the SCOTUS.

  181. From my travels up that way, I would say that the suburbs surrounding Baltimore are working class white. This is the constituency that the Dems rejected in favor of white degenerates and minorities ruled over by graduate school educated elites. The liberal upper middle class live in upscale urban oasis. (I am not sure where that would be in Baltimore) and Howard County. LIberty Avenue is real immigrant. I say move the section 8 to Howard county, that would be class conflict.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Learning

    Downtown Baltimore is fairly gentrified, but I'd hardly call it an oasis.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  182. @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    If Trump can just win the election, imagine what he could do with HUD. He could announce that since democrats have a proud history of embracing diversity, he will put Obama’s fair housing program on hold until after the 2018 midterms, after which he’ll direct poor families to be placed in districts with Democratic congressional reps. Dems might lose 50 seats.
     
    Dave, you beat me to writing the comment, but i had a similar thought months back, when Section 8 was rearing it's ugly head.

    Republicans should just pass an amendment that all Section 8 goes only into districts of representatives who vote for it, and the precincts within those districts that voted for the representative. (Part of the Republican caucus can abstain to allow the bill to pass if that's the desire--but only enough to force all Democrats to vote it.) This is the kind fight the Republicans could have that would be worth a budget fight and "government shutdown" nonsense. It's an issue that can be described very clearly and viscerally. And it's about choice: "communities that do not want to have Section 8 don't have to have it".

    Count me--hey i'm hear on iSteve--as one of those conservative small "r" republicans that is just annoyed as hell with the both the spinelessness and stupidity of the nominal "Republican" party that is suppose to represent folks like me. Call the Democrats on there slimy b.s.--gentrification for me; section 8 for you disgusting working class white people in Ferguson.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    That sounds like a reasonable compromise: all Section 8 goes to Dem districts but is paid for by GOP districts. Win win win.

  183. @Calvin Hobbes
    STEVE SEZ: In the 1970s, Oak Park, IL imposed a surreptitious Black-a-Block maximum quota on realtors to prevent Oak Park tipping into all black ruin like the adjoining Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Allowing communities to set a Black-a-Block maximum quota would do a lot to reassure homeowners, but I’ve never heard it discussed.

    Probably the blacks who _bought_ homes in Oak Park were not underclass. The Section 8 blacks are mostly underclass. It makes all the difference in the world whether the blacks next door are a family with values not so far from typical middle-class American values, or a single mom on welfare with criminal boyfriends and relatives around all the time.

    The Edsall article plays up how it's racist for those Baltimore County whites to be upset by underclass blacks being brought into their neighborhoods. I'll bet that there are a lot of blacks in Baltimore County who aren't happy about the underclass influx.

    It so happens that the contrast between the blacks in Baltimore and the blacks in Baltimore County was the subject of an article by La Griffe. The numbers below are for students in public schools in Baltimore and Baltimore County.


    THE EFFECT OF URBAN FLIGHT ON IQ DISTRIBUTION

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    QUOTE:

    Baltimore is typical of many Midwestern and Northern cities, whose demographics were forever changed by the great black migration of the twentieth century. Not unexpectedly we found a cognitive discontinuity at the city line. Surprising, however, was its magnitude. Whereas suburban mean IQs (86 for blacks, 99 for whites) conform more or less to national norms, city IQs are dreadfully low. With a mean IQ of 76, inner-city blacks fall about 0.6 SD below the African American average nationally. More than a third have death-penalty immunity on grounds of mental retardation. The inner-city white mean of 86 is nearly a full standard deviation below the national white average. By this measure, whites fared worse than blacks. Both groups are seriously deficient in human capital. Neither is very employable. To compound matters, we almost certainly have overstated urban IQs. City residents constitute a low-IQ group extracted from a more cognitively representative population. Their kids, whose test scores we analyzed, should have regressed toward their racial means, i.e., toward higher IQs. That is, inner city kids are smarter than their parents. Accordingly, our estimates of inner-city IQs are best regarded as upper bounds to adult values.

    IQ hardens early in life, locking in the urban deficit. With few prospects for improvement, cities must look elsewhere for amelioration. While we all are aware of the advantages that accrue to the brightest among us, we also know that other qualities carry with them inestimable benefits. Traits like honesty, reliability, perseverance and self-discipline, when cultivated contribute to employability and to a more productive life in general. Indeed, for low-skilled jobs these latter qualities are more important than intellect. Unfortunately, casual observation finds such virtues also wanting.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    It makes all the difference in the world whether the blacks next door are a family with values not so far from typical middle-class American values, or a single mom on welfare with criminal boyfriends and relatives around all the time.

    Some difference, yes. All the difference, no. Middle class lawabiding blacks are far more likely than their white counterparts to have criminal friends and kin coming around.

  184. @Dave Pinsen
    @Broski

    One thing to consider: entitlements aren't segregated. White Americans aren't going to get better Medicare than non-whites. And if we keep importing poor people who are likely to stay poor (recall Steve's recent post about most legal immigrants having net worths of < $500), then we won't be able to afford the same level of benefits as now.

    Replies: @verylongaccountname, @SWVirginian

    That great womb-to-tomb socialistic paradise Sweden is already seeing this sort of thing occurring. The arrival of so many ‘refugees’ who can’t begin to support themselves let alone contribute to the common good are making it necessary that Sweden cut back on the sorts of social services that they have come to expect and are willing to pay huge taxes to support. Combine this with the silver medal in the rape rates Olympics and you have a third world hell-hole with a frigid climate.

  185. @RadicalCenter
    @advancedatheist

    Good question. Also, why are we allowing less than one half of percent of the population bombard us with demands to glorify their mental illness and propagandize our children ("transgenders")?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I have bad news on that front. What used to be called “tom-boys” are now little boys trapped in girls’ bodies. And effeminate little boys? Now they are “girls”. Look to see a weird sort-of explosion of transism in the next 5 years or so.

    another friend just pulled her son out of school, for homeschooling, because of an issue like this in the 1st grade. First Grade! There was a little girl who loved boy stuff, so the parents decided that she was really a boy on the inside. Imagine trying to explain this to a normal six year old that his friend who’s a girl is really a boy.

    I’m so glad I’m an adult now and nobody thought to confuse me with “you’re a different gender than you think you look like” when I was a little tom-boy. Man, (can I still use that expression?) kids are going to be so messed up.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @stillCARealist

    A surgical expedite request crossed my girlfriend's desk two weeks ago. They wanted to do the chondrolaryngoplasty (Adam's Apple shave) on a 12-year old boy-to-girl tranny before school started!

    As Glenn Reynolds is fond of saying, this isn't the 21st Century I was expecting.

  186. @Monopthalmus
    @Broski

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they'll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They'll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They'll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They'll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they'll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve's readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @ben tillman, @Lagertha, @dfordoom

    “I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.”

    At the point where Whites are a demographic minority everywhere, Western Civilization will be extinct. I guess you don’t find it worth preserving, but many of us disagree.

    • Replies: @Monopthalmus
    @Ozymandias

    The U.S isn't 'Everywhere'. I can understand the reflex when it comes to European countries, but not so much with North America. Besides, it isn't really that long ago that white people were in the extreme minority in North America. Things change.

    I also seriously doubt that diminished numbers will render Western Civilization or culture extinct. Zoroastrianism and various forms of Hunter Gatherer Animism still exists. Culture is carried with groups, not defined by borders.

  187. @Learning
    From my travels up that way, I would say that the suburbs surrounding Baltimore are working class white. This is the constituency that the Dems rejected in favor of white degenerates and minorities ruled over by graduate school educated elites. The liberal upper middle class live in upscale urban oasis. (I am not sure where that would be in Baltimore) and Howard County. LIberty Avenue is real immigrant. I say move the section 8 to Howard county, that would be class conflict.

    Replies: @L Woods

    Downtown Baltimore is fairly gentrified, but I’d hardly call it an oasis.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @L Woods

    I was in Baltimore in 2010. One thing I would highly recommend to anyone visiting is the Museum of Visionary Art, near the harbor area. It's displays the intense sort of artwork created by obsessives, visionaries, hermits, prisoners, lunatic asylum inmates. Absolutely fascinating and of a much higher degree of craft and heart than you'll see in any modern art museum.

  188. @L Woods
    @Learning

    Downtown Baltimore is fairly gentrified, but I'd hardly call it an oasis.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I was in Baltimore in 2010. One thing I would highly recommend to anyone visiting is the Museum of Visionary Art, near the harbor area. It’s displays the intense sort of artwork created by obsessives, visionaries, hermits, prisoners, lunatic asylum inmates. Absolutely fascinating and of a much higher degree of craft and heart than you’ll see in any modern art museum.

  189. Classic wedge issue to use in the suburbs. Trump has no shot in New York or Maryland, but he’s getting crushed in the suburbs of winnable Virginia and Pennsylvania. Instead of trying to appeal to blacks who hate him, Trump should be planting his flag in the suburbs to say “sure, vote for Hillary, and enjoy that ghetto family next door”.

  190. @Monopthalmus
    @Broski

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they'll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They'll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They'll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They'll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they'll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve's readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @ben tillman, @Lagertha, @dfordoom

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    It’s not an “imminent” genocide. It’s an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress. And, unless things change drastically, the genocide will be completed. This is no fantasy; it’s an easily proven fact.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @ben tillman


    It’s an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress.
     
    It's more of a suicide than a genocide.

    And the future of whites isn't genocide anyway. They'll just become second-class citizens in their own country, and the country will slowly become more and more a Third World country so whites will be second-class citizens in a Third World country. Which will be considerably more unpleasant than being second-class citizens in a First World country.

    And the sad thing is, the whites will still be consumed by guilt.
    , @Monopthalmus
    @ben tillman

    I think that's nonsense. I DO believe that mass immigration is bad news for native populations, and that there's going to be a lot of trouble coming from it in the future, but I don't believe that a 100% wipe-out is in the cards just because of population movement. Human beings and human cultures are much more robust than that.

  191. The Olympics ruined, RUINED everything for the liberals, SJW’s ( effin’ bs term), Progressives, Progresso Soup:ers, libtards…this summer…and for the election cycle this fall…maybe forever, if we pray! Why do I say this: because HBD won all those gold medals ( according to ratio of every country). USA, USA, USA.

    Athletes and young people all want to get along. They do not want government corruption of grifters in DC anymore, really, ANYWHERE…and I mean, anymore. Grafters and grifters are out. Plus, the young people can shut us out and starve us in a click. They hate anyone over 30.

  192. @Monopthalmus
    @Broski

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they'll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They'll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They'll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They'll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they'll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve's readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @ben tillman, @Lagertha, @dfordoom

    Ok, Steve Squad. Mono (yeech name, btw) is so not worthy of your time. I just read the 10 odd posts or so in his/her history…total “fight with me and I’ll fight with you,” crap in the # of stats of the posts.

    This person is not worthy…what a load of tired stuff. I told all of you, ALL OF YOU, that people who are anti-Trump have invaded and are trying to infect our squad. Eff them. Don’t respond…DO NOT REPLY to their bait and bs. They are SELL-OUTS , you DO NOT HAVE BE.

    Do not communicate with A-holes. I cut my cords years ago with grifters, sociopaths, users, borderline-personality-disorder losers, anyone, anyone who I smelled, was not nice, not genuine. Just do it.

    • Replies: @Monopthalmus
    @Lagertha

    'Steve Squad', 'This person is not worthy', 'people who are anti-Trump have invaded and are trying to infect our squad'

    I think you've gone round the bend, dude.

  193. @ScarletNumber
    @Tiny Duck

    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.

    You’re right, but they’re outrageously wrong because they are the intolerant ones. The ones they deem intolerant are perfectly happy with “live and let live”. Those whom they deem intolerant just want to separate and have their own domain.

    The Left demands dominion over everyone. They won’t allow White “racists” to establish ethnostates where there are no Blacks or Jews whom they can oppress. That’s intolerance.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @ben tillman

    Oh yes, you are correct. I was just pointing out their trite hypocritical statement, not agreeing with it.

  194. @Corvinus
    @peterike

    "Yes, but the ratios of good to poor upkeep are substantially different. You know that Covinus, why are you being such a weasel?"

    What are your metrics of "good upkeep" and "poor upkeep"? In what specific regards are they substantially difference. You do realize that in a number of higher crime black neighborhoods residents there do keep up with their properties out of pride.

    "This includes the ability to NOT associate. As in a neighborhood association which decides it doesn’t want blacks or whoever else. This is currently not allowed, you know."

    The neighborhood association takes away the individual's right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that's the difference.

    "Well right now they can’t. So what is your point exactly?"

    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don't be so naive.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    The neighborhood association takes away the individual’s right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that’s the difference.

    They volunteered into a legal contract when they bought a poperty that was subject to a neighborhood association in the first place.

    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don’t be so naive.

    All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "They volunteered into a legal contract when they bought a poperty that was subject to a neighborhood association in the first place."

    Except the contingency for the purchaser not to be able to sell their property to whomever they preferred when they want to sell it is exactly a violation of their personal freedom of association.

    "All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination."

    It's not about advertising, it's about selling. I can advertise all I want. In the end, I can chose who to sell to whomever in the end. In this manner, I am not violating the law.

  195. @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    Preventing the Buchanan wing from gaining ascendency again is quite easy, as it took Trump's force of personality to overcome the institutional power of the other factions. We can recognize the good work of people like Peter Brimelow, but he's a drop in the ocean compared to the Koch Brothers.

    A Trump defeat will first result in an avalanche of "I told you so" from the neocons and purists. The second reaction will be a mass movement towards "moderation" from the grassroots, where you see many former social conservatives switch their beliefs literally overnight. Do not underestimate the desire of many to hold power at any cost to their values. A third, and much more powerful reaction, will be a behind-the-scenes compiling dossiers on anyone that was or is suspected of being a Trump supporter, to exile them permanently from political activism.

    But for the establishment and purist factions, none of this will work. Clinton hegemony will have no use for any collaboration with the Congressional Republicans, as she is going to tell the DOJ to force the redistricting of all Republican-drawn maps. The GOP would also be unlikely to keep the Senate majority due to internal splits and bad press from being attached to a losing Trump.

    That is why the "self-determination" strategy is important in the event of a Clinton "victory". As a meme it is powerful, and could draw the support of disappointed purists that realize that True Conservatism (TM) has no future in a country with Third World demographics.

    Another useful counterpart to "self-determination" is "Conservatives for BDS". By creating a threat, even an exaggerated or imaginary one to Israel, the neocons could be reined into supporting the first movement.

    Elected liberal tyranny, is still tyranny.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Elected liberal tyranny, is still tyranny.

    Elected tyranny is arguably the most dangerous kind of tyranny. Firstly because so many will fail to recognise it as tyranny, and secondly because elected tyrannies hate and fear dissent more than run-of-the-mill old-fashioned authoritarian tyrannies.

  196. @Monopthalmus
    @Broski

    I agree.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they'll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They'll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They'll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They'll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    Essentially, they'll lean towards the type of behavior that a lot of Steve's readership seem to want, for better or for worse.

    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @ben tillman, @Lagertha, @dfordoom

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they’ll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They’ll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They’ll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They’ll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.

    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S. they’ll spend their time grovelling to their new masters, hoping desperately that if they abase themselves enough they’ll be left alone. They’ll be trying as hard as they can to be goodwhites. The more they get kicked the more they’ll beg to be kicked some more.

    Never underestimate the overwhelming ethno-masochism of white people. Look at South Africa’s whites. That’s the future for America’s whites.

    • Agree: Anonymous
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    On a somewhat related note, the goodwhite/badwhite divide is somewhat analogous to the Anglo/Afrikaner split, the former of whom are more affluent, cosmopolitan, and considerably more cucked. Much like our own SWPL population, many English South Africans celebrated the triumph of diversity and equality by decamping to as distant location as possible.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  197. @ben tillman
    @Monopthalmus


    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.
     
    It's not an "imminent" genocide. It's an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress. And, unless things change drastically, the genocide will be completed. This is no fantasy; it's an easily proven fact.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Monopthalmus

    It’s an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress.

    It’s more of a suicide than a genocide.

    And the future of whites isn’t genocide anyway. They’ll just become second-class citizens in their own country, and the country will slowly become more and more a Third World country so whites will be second-class citizens in a Third World country. Which will be considerably more unpleasant than being second-class citizens in a First World country.

    And the sad thing is, the whites will still be consumed by guilt.

  198. @ben tillman
    @ScarletNumber


    The common way of putting that is: We are only intolerant of intolerance.
     
    You're right, but they're outrageously wrong because they are the intolerant ones. The ones they deem intolerant are perfectly happy with "live and let live". Those whom they deem intolerant just want to separate and have their own domain.

    The Left demands dominion over everyone. They won't allow White "racists" to establish ethnostates where there are no Blacks or Jews whom they can oppress. That's intolerance.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Oh yes, you are correct. I was just pointing out their trite hypocritical statement, not agreeing with it.

  199. @Ozymandias
    @Monopthalmus

    "I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much."

    At the point where Whites are a demographic minority everywhere, Western Civilization will be extinct. I guess you don't find it worth preserving, but many of us disagree.

    Replies: @Monopthalmus

    The U.S isn’t ‘Everywhere’. I can understand the reflex when it comes to European countries, but not so much with North America. Besides, it isn’t really that long ago that white people were in the extreme minority in North America. Things change.

    I also seriously doubt that diminished numbers will render Western Civilization or culture extinct. Zoroastrianism and various forms of Hunter Gatherer Animism still exists. Culture is carried with groups, not defined by borders.

  200. @Lagertha
    @Monopthalmus

    Ok, Steve Squad. Mono (yeech name, btw) is so not worthy of your time. I just read the 10 odd posts or so in his/her history...total "fight with me and I'll fight with you," crap in the # of stats of the posts.

    This person is not worthy...what a load of tired stuff. I told all of you, ALL OF YOU, that people who are anti-Trump have invaded and are trying to infect our squad. Eff them. Don't respond...DO NOT REPLY to their bait and bs. They are SELL-OUTS , you DO NOT HAVE BE.


    Do not communicate with A-holes. I cut my cords years ago with grifters, sociopaths, users, borderline-personality-disorder losers, anyone, anyone who I smelled, was not nice, not genuine. Just do it.

    Replies: @Monopthalmus

    ‘Steve Squad’, ‘This person is not worthy’, ‘people who are anti-Trump have invaded and are trying to infect our squad’

    I think you’ve gone round the bend, dude.

  201. @ben tillman
    @Monopthalmus


    I understand the fear some people have of changing demographics, but I think that having the vapours over fantasies of an imminent genocide is a bit much.
     
    It's not an "imminent" genocide. It's an ongoing genocide, a genocide in progress. And, unless things change drastically, the genocide will be completed. This is no fantasy; it's an easily proven fact.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Monopthalmus

    I think that’s nonsense. I DO believe that mass immigration is bad news for native populations, and that there’s going to be a lot of trouble coming from it in the future, but I don’t believe that a 100% wipe-out is in the cards just because of population movement. Human beings and human cultures are much more robust than that.

  202. All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.

    As a landlord, I can easily discriminate against blacks, thanks to their shit credit ratings. As for selling a property, I can pick whomever makes an offer depending on the quality of the offer. Again, not a problem with black folks. Black men tend to try to nickel and dime a deal until they talk themselves right out of it, and as for black women collectively, they’re often the opposite. They say “yes” to everything to get into the place, but they can’t keep it. They handle finances like a 13 year old:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/business/businessnews/2010/03/09/Study-finds-median-wealth-for-single-black-women-at-5/stories/201003090163

    The only way to give some teeth to anti-discrimination laws, at least for rentals, is to force landlords to accept Section 8 tenants. Libs have tried to get laws passed to make it so, but have failed so far, thank Jesus.

    Discrimination is good. We all do it all the time for important decisions. If you don’t believe me, ask your wife why she didn’t marry some poor, fat dumb idiot instead of, presumably, you.

  203. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus



    The neighborhood association takes away the individual’s right to exercise the law of the land, which currently is enabling the homeowner to sell to whomever they prefer regardless of race, that’s the difference.
     
    They volunteered into a legal contract when they bought a poperty that was subject to a neighborhood association in the first place.


    Whites can sell their property to whites or non-whites, don’t be so naive.

     

    All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “They volunteered into a legal contract when they bought a poperty that was subject to a neighborhood association in the first place.”

    Except the contingency for the purchaser not to be able to sell their property to whomever they preferred when they want to sell it is exactly a violation of their personal freedom of association.

    “All real estate advertising in this newspaper is subject to the Fair Housing Act which makes it illegal to advertise “any preference, limitation or discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin, or an intention to make any such preference limitation or discrimination.”

    It’s not about advertising, it’s about selling. I can advertise all I want. In the end, I can chose who to sell to whomever in the end. In this manner, I am not violating the law.

  204. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Corvinus
    @Maj. Kong

    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    "A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war."

    I'm all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day's blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Harry Baldwin

    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    Corvinus sounds like all bait-and-switch operatives. What he fails to tell you is that:

    1. The next President could use executive action, which then has to be fought through the legislature and the courts, and

    2. The legislature can enact unconstitutional laws but it takes years to get such things in front of the Supreme Court and could be confirmed as constitutional depending on the penumbras or taxes one or more justices can discern in the ink on the Constitution.

    I’m all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day’s blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.

    Only about 3% of colonists actively engaged in the American Revolution, and another 10% provided moral and financial support.

    I suspect you will turn out to be an armchair toad, however.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The most deplorable one

    "1. The next President could use executive action, which then has to be fought through the legislature and the courts, and..."

    Executive action to ban guns? Are you insane? The presidency lacks any authority to literally destroy an amendment. Moreover, let us assume that political suicide action took place. The Supreme Court has the authority to immediately address that executive action. Given the precedents set in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago, the Second Amendment clearly protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

    "2. The legislature can enact unconstitutional laws but it takes years to get such things in front of the Supreme Court and could be confirmed as constitutional depending on the penumbras or taxes one or more justices can discern in the ink on the Constitution."

    Again, the Supreme Court is able to "fast-track" cases. It is able to bypass lower courts and directly hear arguments. Were you asleep in Civics class?

    "Only about 3% of colonists actively engaged in the American Revolution, and another 10% provided moral and financial support."

    So you found a blog site that spouted off those numbers without ANY historical sources to back it up. We know that 80,0000 militia and Continental Army soldiers served in the war and 55,000 served as privateers. 1 in 20 able bodied white free males living in America died during the war. 45% of colonists fully supported the war. Those not directly involved in the fighting provided funds, worked on the farms or in businesses, gathered intelligence, and engaged in other essential, non-combat efforts.

    Those are facts. So, where does this 3%/10% figure directly come from? That is, what historian(s)?

  205. @The most deplorable one
    @Corvinus


    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.
     
    Corvinus sounds like all bait-and-switch operatives. What he fails to tell you is that:

    1. The next President could use executive action, which then has to be fought through the legislature and the courts, and

    2. The legislature can enact unconstitutional laws but it takes years to get such things in front of the Supreme Court and could be confirmed as constitutional depending on the penumbras or taxes one or more justices can discern in the ink on the Constitution.


    I’m all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day’s blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.
     
    Only about 3% of colonists actively engaged in the American Revolution, and another 10% provided moral and financial support.

    I suspect you will turn out to be an armchair toad, however.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “1. The next President could use executive action, which then has to be fought through the legislature and the courts, and…”

    Executive action to ban guns? Are you insane? The presidency lacks any authority to literally destroy an amendment. Moreover, let us assume that political suicide action took place. The Supreme Court has the authority to immediately address that executive action. Given the precedents set in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago, the Second Amendment clearly protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

    “2. The legislature can enact unconstitutional laws but it takes years to get such things in front of the Supreme Court and could be confirmed as constitutional depending on the penumbras or taxes one or more justices can discern in the ink on the Constitution.”

    Again, the Supreme Court is able to “fast-track” cases. It is able to bypass lower courts and directly hear arguments. Were you asleep in Civics class?

    “Only about 3% of colonists actively engaged in the American Revolution, and another 10% provided moral and financial support.”

    So you found a blog site that spouted off those numbers without ANY historical sources to back it up. We know that 80,0000 militia and Continental Army soldiers served in the war and 55,000 served as privateers. 1 in 20 able bodied white free males living in America died during the war. 45% of colonists fully supported the war. Those not directly involved in the fighting provided funds, worked on the farms or in businesses, gathered intelligence, and engaged in other essential, non-combat efforts.

    Those are facts. So, where does this 3%/10% figure directly come from? That is, what historian(s)?

  206. @Corvinus
    @Maj. Kong

    Just because Hillary favors that type of legislation does not mean it will be enacted nor pass constitutional muster. No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    "A civil divorce is far preferable to civil war."

    I'm all for civil war, as is a number of your associates on Vox Day's blog. Then we shall see who are the armchair warriors.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Harry Baldwin

    No one is taking away your gun or my gun.

    Hillary regularly insists that gun makers be held liable for the misuse of their products. This was the point on which she hammered poor Bernie, as he disagreed with her (but eventually seemed to cave). Holding gun makers liable for the misuse of their products would eventually put them out of business. I recall Bernie tried to make this point, but he just didn’t have to spine to stick with it.

    Maybe no one is taking away your gun for the time being, but the ability to buy a new one may be severely curtailed if Hillary gets her way with the SCOTUS.

  207. @Das
    @Anonymous

    As I said before, if it's true that Hillary Clinton is on her deathbed, that's the best thing that could happen to her campaign. If she dies, she's going to be replaced by the much more popular Tim Kaine.

    In fact, if I were a Democratic operative I'd be spreading the Hillary health rumors to swing voters who dislike both of the major candidates. Encourage people to vote for Hillary by explaining that she won't be around for much longer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Brutusale

    Fauxcahontas is altering her schtick to appear more middle of the road. SHE is the fallback for the Dems. The Gynocracy will not be denied, especially not by stale pale males like Kaine and Sanders.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/08/elizabeth_warren_alters_plan_of_attack

  208. @Reg Cæsar
    Incidentally, white people, even married white people, with degrees, even, can qualify for Section 8. That was one possibility that showed up in our search for a bigger place. My wife told me that if she didn't return to work after the third kid, we could get on the list with no problem. (And why should she return to work, just to be taxed to support someone else's Section 8?)

    The main drawback is that, in our area, the wait for a Section 8 property is now up to eight years. How does that help the working poor? Shoot, the oldest kid will be packing for college, thus risking the family's eligibility by thus downsizing. What better proof is there that this program is not meant to help the poor, but instead to change neighborhoods, and irreversibly at that?

    However, it is fun to imagine the look of relief on the new neighbors' faces when, after losing a string of court battles, they see a white couple with legitimate children and no police record move in.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Where do you live, Reg? Here in the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts, we have able-bodied 20-something males with $1,400 housing vouchers.

    I have a realtor friend who helps her landlord neighbor handle the rentals in his two apartment buildings, and the stories she tells about the abuse of the program will curl your hair. It’s mostly driven by the rife scamming of SSDI benefits.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Brutusale

    Minnesota and the neighboring states can be generous, too, but some personal responsibility is still required. Also, plenty of Lutheran and Catholic guilt survives. (Catholicism is more German than Irish around here, which apparently makes a difference.) That keeps abuse down as well.

    Rent control proposals have never gone anywhere in the Twin Cities. I haven't heard the term used in decades. Lots of space to grow, even lakefront space.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  209. @stillCARealist
    @RadicalCenter

    I have bad news on that front. What used to be called "tom-boys" are now little boys trapped in girls' bodies. And effeminate little boys? Now they are "girls". Look to see a weird sort-of explosion of transism in the next 5 years or so.

    another friend just pulled her son out of school, for homeschooling, because of an issue like this in the 1st grade. First Grade! There was a little girl who loved boy stuff, so the parents decided that she was really a boy on the inside. Imagine trying to explain this to a normal six year old that his friend who's a girl is really a boy.

    I'm so glad I'm an adult now and nobody thought to confuse me with "you're a different gender than you think you look like" when I was a little tom-boy. Man, (can I still use that expression?) kids are going to be so messed up.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    A surgical expedite request crossed my girlfriend’s desk two weeks ago. They wanted to do the chondrolaryngoplasty (Adam’s Apple shave) on a 12-year old boy-to-girl tranny before school started!

    As Glenn Reynolds is fond of saying, this isn’t the 21st Century I was expecting.

  210. @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Where do you live, Reg? Here in the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts, we have able-bodied 20-something males with $1,400 housing vouchers.

    I have a realtor friend who helps her landlord neighbor handle the rentals in his two apartment buildings, and the stories she tells about the abuse of the program will curl your hair. It's mostly driven by the rife scamming of SSDI benefits.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Minnesota and the neighboring states can be generous, too, but some personal responsibility is still required. Also, plenty of Lutheran and Catholic guilt survives. (Catholicism is more German than Irish around here, which apparently makes a difference.) That keeps abuse down as well.

    Rent control proposals have never gone anywhere in the Twin Cities. I haven’t heard the term used in decades. Lots of space to grow, even lakefront space.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    No rent control here, either; they're Section 8 vouchers. That $1,400 gets you a closet in Greater Boston.

    You're lucky that your Catholicism is German. The Boston Irish pols continued the ward healer traditions of James Michael Curley, but shifted the burden of payment from their graft to the taxpayers' pockets. I read years ago that Southie was the country's largest concentration of white welfare recipients.

  211. @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    That's probably the most blatantly ignorant post I've read all day. Yeah, Dems cared so much for minorities that they were the ones who were against equal opportunity way back in the day; and when their liberal policies are carried out, the ones that lead to the most destruction of the black community- welfare dependency, crime rates, children born out of wedlock, drug use, you name it.

    That being said, why should anyone bend over backwards for minorities? They're people, too, and they're people causing more trouble, and contributing less positive in return. If a coworker in your unit at your job slacks off a lot when work needs to be done and steals peoples' lunches, should people in other units whine and blame you when you want to avoid working with him?

    Why the hell should I care that people don't want to live around blacks when they commit vastly more crime, especially serious crimes like murder and rape? That's a natural, sane response. And if it means that peaceful blacks are viewed with suspicion, they should be getting angry at their fellow blacks out causing so much trouble rather than blaming whites. Getting angry at whites in this situation would be like getting angry at women for wanting to carry small mace canisters in their purse and walk in groups at night when traveling around in big cities.

    Replies: @JSM

    nd if it means that peaceful blacks are viewed with suspicion, they should be getting angry at their fellow blacks out causing so much trouble rather than blaming whites.

    This.

  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Monopthalmus


    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S, they’ll likely just start acting like all other minorities do. They’ll develop high rates of in-group support and out-group hostility. They’ll cluster together in ethnic enclaves, hire from their own community, vote for their own ethnic interests, direct all their charity and help towards members of their own community, likely defend/police their own community through official or unofficial means. They’ll pull the same strategy as everyone else does, and occupy whatever position their collective strengths lead them towards.
     
    If white people ever become a minority in the U.S. they'll spend their time grovelling to their new masters, hoping desperately that if they abase themselves enough they'll be left alone. They'll be trying as hard as they can to be goodwhites. The more they get kicked the more they'll beg to be kicked some more.

    Never underestimate the overwhelming ethno-masochism of white people. Look at South Africa's whites. That's the future for America's whites.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    On a somewhat related note, the goodwhite/badwhite divide is somewhat analogous to the Anglo/Afrikaner split, the former of whom are more affluent, cosmopolitan, and considerably more cucked. Much like our own SWPL population, many English South Africans celebrated the triumph of diversity and equality by decamping to as distant location as possible.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anonymous


    the goodwhite/badwhite divide is somewhat analogous to the Anglo/Afrikaner split, the former of whom are more affluent, cosmopolitan, and considerably more cucked
     
    I had a feeling that might be the case.
  213. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    On a somewhat related note, the goodwhite/badwhite divide is somewhat analogous to the Anglo/Afrikaner split, the former of whom are more affluent, cosmopolitan, and considerably more cucked. Much like our own SWPL population, many English South Africans celebrated the triumph of diversity and equality by decamping to as distant location as possible.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    the goodwhite/badwhite divide is somewhat analogous to the Anglo/Afrikaner split, the former of whom are more affluent, cosmopolitan, and considerably more cucked

    I had a feeling that might be the case.

  214. @Reg Cæsar
    @Brutusale

    Minnesota and the neighboring states can be generous, too, but some personal responsibility is still required. Also, plenty of Lutheran and Catholic guilt survives. (Catholicism is more German than Irish around here, which apparently makes a difference.) That keeps abuse down as well.

    Rent control proposals have never gone anywhere in the Twin Cities. I haven't heard the term used in decades. Lots of space to grow, even lakefront space.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    No rent control here, either; they’re Section 8 vouchers. That $1,400 gets you a closet in Greater Boston.

    You’re lucky that your Catholicism is German. The Boston Irish pols continued the ward healer traditions of James Michael Curley, but shifted the burden of payment from their graft to the taxpayers’ pockets. I read years ago that Southie was the country’s largest concentration of white welfare recipients.

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