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https://twitter.com/edmontonpolice/status/1577296746698661890

Color me unimpressed.

My guess is that we don’t yet have much of a clue of how genetics ties into the gestalt of facial features.

It’s a tricky subject.

For example, here’s businessman Doug Pitt and his older brother Brad.

Doug is a handsome guy, but he’s no Brad Pitt.

Old-time novelists devoted an immense number of words to depicting in print the facial features of characters.

For example, in The Maltese Falcon, Dashiell Hammett spent two pages explaining that Sam Spade looked exactly like the extraordinary-looking 6′-3″ Dashiell Hammett.

But in the movie, he was played (really well) by Humphrey Bogart, who had similar ancestry but didn’t look like Hammett much at all.

In contrast, sci-fi author Robert Heinlein, who no doubt read Hammett, demurred from describing his main character closely, presumably not intending to cramp Hollywood’s style, although the movie business didn’t much treat Heinlein well.

Thus Heinlein was enabled to review [Spoiler Warning] at the very end of the Tunnel in the Sky (1955) that the narrator was black and on the next to last page of Starship Troopers that the narrator Johnny Rico was a Tagalog-speaking Filipino.

On the other hand, we do now know a lot about the genetics of skin, eye, and hair color.

Edmonton PD used Parabon Nanolabs to do the DNA facial reconstruction, so we can be pretty certain that the perp is really black.

Their showpiece is the Shanaqua Caldwell murder.

Not bad, but can DNA really predict that the poor girl konked her hair?

We can know that the rapist is around 98% sub-Saharan with about the coloration you’d expect.

Edmonton is 3.8% black, which seems ridiculous because of how far north it is (53.5 degrees latitude) and it’s at 2,100 feet of elevation, so it’s really cold and dark in winter. National Post journalist Colby Cosh is an Edmonton loyalist, but even he finds this time of year depressing.

It would be useful to know how likely it is the rapist is 100% black, because (according to this article I just pulled up), Edmonton’s blacks tend to come from four different sources: Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be. It’s good to rule out people for suspicion so you don’t pester innocent men.

It’s possible that the rapist is half East African, half something else from somewhere else in Africa, which would, at minimum, rule out a whole lot of people and at maximum might rule in a rather small number of guys.

In general, cops tends to be pretty good at statistics on the street, while being pretty bad at statistics in writing. If they were good at the latter, they would have majored in economics rather than criminology and would be making more money.

 

 
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  1. This reinstills in me faith that we’ll show those Russians when we re-land on the moon in the 2030952

    \
    We’ll show them civilisartions courtesy and gentlewhatever

  2. It’s pretty racist to assume that just because the results came back 98% sub-Saharan that the rapist is a black guy.

    I think they’re doing this to scare the guy into coming down to the station to confess.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Achmed E. Newman


    It’s pretty racist to assume that just because the results came back 98% sub-Saharan that the rapist is a black guy.
     
    Even worse, they assume that just because they found a Y-chromosome that the rapist is a guy.
  3. This is crazy. Who the hell ever heard of a black rapist?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AceDeuce


    This is crazy. Who the hell ever heard of a black rapist?
     
    Ace, I was about to hit the LOL button ... but the reality just isn't funny.

    White men should not be letting this happen.
    , @Detroit Refugee
    @AceDeuce

    Yea that's crazy. My TV tells a different story.

  4. It would be useful to know how likely it is the rapist is 100% black, because (according to this article I just pulled up), Edmonton’s blacks tend to come from four different sources: Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be. It’s good to rule out people for suspicion so you don’t pester innocent men.

    “98% sub-Saharan” is probably 100% black with 2% margin of error. The little graphic from Parabon-NanoLabs shows highest East African contribution, West African second, and South African(!) third. The East African diagram doesn’t include Somalia, but that’s probably just because the Parabon’s database doesn’t include Somalia rather than that the perp’s DNA doesn’t include Somalian. Indeed, the oddly Pan-African result probably reflects the genomics field’s much vaguer databases of African populations compared to regions with more—and more exhaustively analyzed—data collection.

    Aside from vague race-y stuff, the real detection benefit of DNA analysis is either confirming a suspect already under surveillance or in custody (which Edmonton apparently doesn’t have), or using family tree analysis to find a suspect. Blacks—especially of the criminal underclass—tend not to use voluntary DNA services as much as white people, so whereas a white perp such as the Golden State Killer can be tracked down by studying public genealogy data, a black perp tends to be DNA-identified only if he—or a close relative—has contributed DNA in a prior criminal investigation, job application, or some other legal matter.

    I don’t know what Edmonton’s policy is on collecting and maintaining DNA data. In any case, if the perp is Somali there probably isn’t much of a DNA record in Canada to match with. But I suppose it is not a bad PSA-type reminder for the naïve-at-3.8% Edmonton population to learn the race wariness of their more race-enriched southern neighbors.

    There are loony lefties [redundant] who insist that that all (black) DNA collected by law enforcement should be deleted so that black criminals can better evade punishment. While black DNA is not necessarily traceable to a source person, so many American whites have contributed DNA to voluntary DNA services that a DNA sample from any American white can almost always be traced by genealogy to the actual source person. Given that both US and Canadian governments now regard their white population as incipient domestic terrorists, this was an unfortunately concession to the public record by white people, however unwitting.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Almost Missouri

    Well within living memory Edmonton's black population was just about zero.

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    In the UK, a law passed by that great liberal, Tony Blair, mandates that anyone arrested and taken into custody for any offence whatsoever, even if later completely exonerated, has their DNA taken, analysed and stored on a national database forever.

    One side effect of this is that an absolutely enormous proportion of black men in the UK are included in the national DNA database.

  5. My immediate response to the photo fit was “Somali”. The police in Edmonton must have some private inkling which “communerty” the rapist is from, I think.

  6. “For example, here’s businessman Doug Pitt and his older brother Brad. Doug is a handsome guy, but he’s no Brad Pitt.”

    And I bet Doug’s dad was no mailman.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Mike Tre


    For example, here’s businessman Doug Pitt and his older brother Brad. Doug is a handsome guy, but he’s no Brad Pitt.
     

    Their brother Arm is even worse...

    Somewhere or another, without making the effort, I assure you, I saw a school photo of Brad Pitt in a magazine. I think it might have been an 8th grade picture. Anyway, he was a goofy looking kid who didn't bear much resemblance at all to his adult appearance.

  7. Their showpiece is the Shanaqua Caldwell murder.

    Not bad, but can DNA really predict that the poor girl konked her hair?

    ***********

    Well, no, but they had more than just DNA. They had the girls body. And while the soft tissue had decayed, her hair most certainly had not.

    So, they had a badly decomposed body with long, straight (“conked”) hair.

    That was what led them to put long straight hair on the facial reconstruction, not the DNA.

    Best,

    EFG.

  8. You’d think that distance between the eyes would show up in the DNA somewhere. That’s the major error in the Caldwell reconstruction.

    These days, body fat would be a major factor in ID. Find that in your DNA!

  9. Hitler also is the most famous political candidate in American history. The Democrats have been running against him for 75 years.

    • Thanks: Bubba
  10. I wonder how much of our ignorance of the genetic correlates of facial features comes from a poverty of phenotype data.

    How many of those in the data stores for GWAS studies have pictures connected to the genotype data?

    It would seem pretty easy to gather such photos, but I suspect it might not be permissible to use those photos, since they would identify the contributors. Even abstracted data, such as distance between eyes, etc., might be enough to do so.

  11. @AceDeuce
    This is crazy. Who the hell ever heard of a black rapist?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Detroit Refugee

    This is crazy. Who the hell ever heard of a black rapist?

    Ace, I was about to hit the LOL button … but the reality just isn’t funny.

    White men should not be letting this happen.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson, bomag
  12. Not bad, but can DNA really predict that the poor girl konked her hair?

    I think they were trolling there. Didn’t Einstein or Crick or George Washington Carver prove that there is no genetic component to female hair characteristics?

  13. My guess is that we don’t yet have much of a clue of how genetics ties into the gestalt of facial features.

    Well it has already been used to catch a suspect:
    https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/dna-facial-mapping/

    They can also tease out height and build to some degree.

    Only a matter of time before police can scan a sample at the crime scene and immediately get the race of the suspect. Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @John Johnson

    Are they sure the suspect identified as a male?

    Reverting to the level of believing in witch doctors and juju.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @bomag
    @John Johnson


    Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.
     
    Do they even deign to explain such things anymore? Seems they just announce that the Inner Party has ruled it grounds for cancellation.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  14. FYI — they put the kibosh on this sketch.

    https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/StatementonDNAPhenotyping

    It seems Edmonton–though no history of black slavery and only 4% black–miraculously has “racial issues” with policing and–another miracle!–has some African dude in charge of “police community relations” goobledygook. And he’s taken upon himself to pull the sketch because “racialize community”, “potential harm to black community” … blah, blah, blah are more important than catching criminals.

    White people are just going to have to stop being pansies.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    From the release:
    We are going to remove the visuals provided with this release from our web site and will remove our social media images altogether, effective this morning.

    Liberals: Race has no basis in science.

    Police: We apologize for using science to determine race.

    I think we all knew this conflict was coming. DNA race science improves while liberal orthodoxy states that it won't work because race is completely artificial.

    White people are just going to have to stop being pansies.

    Yea would be nice.

    , @anonymouseperson
    @AnotherDad

    Which just goes to show when you are dealing with blacks, you just can't win.

  15. @AnotherDad
    FYI -- they put the kibosh on this sketch.

    https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/StatementonDNAPhenotyping

    It seems Edmonton--though no history of black slavery and only 4% black--miraculously has "racial issues" with policing and--another miracle!--has some African dude in charge of "police community relations" goobledygook. And he's taken upon himself to pull the sketch because "racialize community", "potential harm to black community" ... blah, blah, blah are more important than catching criminals.

    White people are just going to have to stop being pansies.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anonymouseperson

    From the release:
    We are going to remove the visuals provided with this release from our web site and will remove our social media images altogether, effective this morning.

    Liberals: Race has no basis in science.

    Police: We apologize for using science to determine race.

    I think we all knew this conflict was coming. DNA race science improves while liberal orthodoxy states that it won’t work because race is completely artificial.

    White people are just going to have to stop being pansies.

    Yea would be nice.

  16. FYI
    “konked her hair”
    it’s conked

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Meretricious


    FYI
    “konked her hair”
    it’s conked

     

    https://www.travel4wildlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/florida-fighting-conch-face11.jpg

    https://media.fisheries.noaa.gov/styles/full_width/s3/2022-08/queen-conch-750x500-JDoerr-SEFSC-Galveston.JPG?itok=SusiWMjz
  17. going by current trends in facial reconstruction of humans that have been dead for 10,000 years or more, i’d suspect the experts here are actually pretty good at this kind of thing by now.

    it was at least a decade ago when experts figured out the genes for nose construction. about 6 genes control the majority of how human nose bones and cartilage grow and develop, setting up their final size and shape for adults.

  18. It would be useful to know how likely it is the rapist is 100% black, because (according to this article I just pulled up), Edmonton’s blacks tend to come from four different sources: Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be. It’s good to rule out people for suspicion so you don’t pester innocent men.

    Good points.

    1000 Genomes has three populations which would probably give a good start at localizing the perpetrator.
    https://www.coriell.org/0/Sections/Collections/NHGRI/1000genome.aspx?PgId=664&coll=HG

    African Caribbean in Barbados [ACB]
    African Ancestry in SW USA [ASW]
    Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria [YRI]

    I don’t see an easy source for Somali genetics (anyone?), but this is a start.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6307984/

    Amazing what might be possible if our society could remove the woke blinders.

  19. They removed the image. Now the Edmonton police will have to prostrate themselves and say three hail Saint Floyd’s.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @SaneClownPosse

    Brilliant comment! :-)

    Didn't want to use the "LOL" button since it may be confused with a sarcastic laugh.

  20. @John Johnson
    My guess is that we don’t yet have much of a clue of how genetics ties into the gestalt of facial features.

    Well it has already been used to catch a suspect:
    https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/dna-facial-mapping/

    They can also tease out height and build to some degree.

    Only a matter of time before police can scan a sample at the crime scene and immediately get the race of the suspect. Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn't exist.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @bomag

    Are they sure the suspect identified as a male?

    Reverting to the level of believing in witch doctors and juju.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @SaneClownPosse

    Are they sure the suspect identified as a male?

    Reverting to the level of believing in witch doctors and juju.

    Oh we have been there a long time.

    When BiDil came out the liberal establishment argued that it doesn't actually work and if it does work then it shouldn't exist. They couldn't even agree on the basis of their rejection. Weirdly there were articles suggesting it be pulled even if it works for Blacks. So deny them medicine for the sake of race denial?

    https://www.goodrx.com/bidil/bidil-heart-medication-for-black-patients

  21. On the subject of the looks of brothers of handsome actors, here is leading barrister Ian Jackman SC

    https://eightselborne.com.au/ian-jackman-sc/

  22. Brad Pitt’s brother looks a lot like Zack Braff from Scrubs.

    They say I look like the brother on the left… in my mind I look like the brother on the right. 🙁 http://t.co/LHcXofpolS— Zach Braff (@zachbraff) May 21, 2014

  23. Old-time novelists devoted an immense number of words to depicting in print the facial features of characters.

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved? As the original enthusiasts eventually dropped dead – and the rising generation of scientists had other interests – perhaps we just assumed it had been discredited. A.I. facial-recognition programs are starting to assign probable character traits.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Right_On


    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved?
     
    'Proved/disproved' has been debunked.

    It doesn't matter if physiognomy outperforms every branch of psych-whatever, it's WrongThink and is thus self-debunking.

    The merit of a thing is entirely determined by how you feel about it - so long as how you feel about it aligns with the Current Orthodoxy.

    If how you feel about it does not align with the Current Orthodoxy, you're a racist piece of shit whose bank account should be donated to Ukraine (less 10% for the Big Guy).

    Not 'you' personally, I hasten to add - unless, you know, you disagree with the Current Orthodoxy in which case fuck you, racist.
    , @John Johnson
    @Right_On

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved?

    Most of it is bunk but the modern belief that head shape has absolutely nothing to do with character traits is wishful thinking.

  24. @SaneClownPosse
    @John Johnson

    Are they sure the suspect identified as a male?

    Reverting to the level of believing in witch doctors and juju.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Are they sure the suspect identified as a male?

    Reverting to the level of believing in witch doctors and juju.

    Oh we have been there a long time.

    When BiDil came out the liberal establishment argued that it doesn’t actually work and if it does work then it shouldn’t exist. They couldn’t even agree on the basis of their rejection. Weirdly there were articles suggesting it be pulled even if it works for Blacks. So deny them medicine for the sake of race denial?

    https://www.goodrx.com/bidil/bidil-heart-medication-for-black-patients

  25. Provincial Edmonton, Alberta (population 1 million) is now only 56% whites of European descent. Let that sink in.

    The Anglosphere was really nice while it lasted.

  26. @Meretricious
    FYI
    "konked her hair"
    it's conked

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    FYI
    “konked her hair”
    it’s conked

  27. When I lived there I was pretty impressed with the Edmonton Police Service’s dogged determination in solving some pretty hard cases.

    They sure loved their speed traps though.

  28. Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be.

    Are you sure Somali DNA would be “100% black”? Going back 200 years, sure, but 4,000? As with Ethiopians and Eritreans, they don’t look Congoloid at all, particularly in the skull. They seem to be, after thousands of years of assimilation, a now-pure-but-once-mixed race.

    (I did know a Somaliman who’s called “Tiger” because he’s a dead ringer for Woods. But Woods is not the poster child for blackness.)

    One striking difference between Red Sea Africans and Atlantic Coast ones is that among the former, it’s the women rather than the men who mate out.

    Born to be wild? The song of that name was written by “Mars Bonfire”, a pseudonym of, get this, Dennis Edmonton.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Are you sure Somali DNA would be “100% black”? Going back 200 years, sure, but 4,000? As with Ethiopians and Eritreans, they don’t look Congoloid at all, particularly in the skull. They seem to be, after thousands of years of assimilation, a now-pure-but-once-mixed race.

    That is correct.

    If by "100% Black" we mean Western/Central Africa then that wouldn't include Eastern Africans that are Eurasian/African mixed.

    One striking difference between Red Sea Africans and Atlantic Coast ones is that among the former, it’s the women rather than the men who mate out.

    You are saying Somali women are more likely to be with a non-Somali than the men?

    Probably true but I wonder how much that is the case for second/third generations. Children of Somalis seem to adopt African-American kooture to the dismay of both liberals and conservatives. There was a hope in Minnesota that their Muslim values would rub off on the natives. Pretty sad when our Christian conservatives are actually putting hope in foreigners and Islam as a solution. I guess they will do just about anything rather than face the reality of race.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  29. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like you may have missed a couple of quite pertinent facts:

    1. The cop responsible for the visual (or at least who’s taking the fall) was a Nigerian!

    Enyinnah Okere
    Chief Operating Officer
    Community Safety and Well-being Bureau
    Edmonton Police Service

    2. Enyinnah has posted a mea culpa and erased the generic black guy visual from the cops’ website:

    “While the tension I felt over this was very real, I prioritized the investigation – which in this case involved the pursuit of justice for the victim, herself a member of a racialized community, over the potential harm to the Black community. This was not an acceptable trade-off and I apologize for this.”

    https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/StatementonDNAPhenotyping

    Ha!

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    @Anon

    Yeah, the Edmonton police scrambled to take that picture down - but the Internet never forgets (unless you're kiwifarms).
    https://web.archive.org/web/20221004155114im_/https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/-/media/EPS%20External/Images/MediaReleases/2022/Oct/DNA%20image.ashx?la=en&hash=904929A54A345565EBEA51EFCFD9A753A4488D50

  30. I’m guessing the development of facial features is modulated by the outward expression of our most common moods. Our face becomes a map of our inner emotions. Most likely, if you have resting bitch face, you are a bitch.

  31. @Right_On
    Old-time novelists devoted an immense number of words to depicting in print the facial features of characters.

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved? As the original enthusiasts eventually dropped dead - and the rising generation of scientists had other interests - perhaps we just assumed it had been discredited. A.I. facial-recognition programs are starting to assign probable character traits.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @John Johnson

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved?

    Proved/disproved‘ has been debunked.

    It doesn’t matter if physiognomy outperforms every branch of psych-whatever, it’s WrongThink and is thus self-debunking.

    The merit of a thing is entirely determined by how you feel about it – so long as how you feel about it aligns with the Current Orthodoxy.

    If how you feel about it does not align with the Current Orthodoxy, you’re a racist piece of shit whose bank account should be donated to Ukraine (less 10% for the Big Guy).

    Not ‘you’ personally, I hasten to add – unless, you know, you disagree with the Current Orthodoxy in which case fuck you, racist.

  32. @Almost Missouri

    It would be useful to know how likely it is the rapist is 100% black, because (according to this article I just pulled up), Edmonton’s blacks tend to come from four different sources: Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be. It’s good to rule out people for suspicion so you don’t pester innocent men.
     
    "98% sub-Saharan" is probably 100% black with 2% margin of error. The little graphic from Parabon-NanoLabs shows highest East African contribution, West African second, and South African(!) third. The East African diagram doesn't include Somalia, but that's probably just because the Parabon's database doesn't include Somalia rather than that the perp's DNA doesn't include Somalian. Indeed, the oddly Pan-African result probably reflects the genomics field's much vaguer databases of African populations compared to regions with more—and more exhaustively analyzed—data collection.

    Aside from vague race-y stuff, the real detection benefit of DNA analysis is either confirming a suspect already under surveillance or in custody (which Edmonton apparently doesn't have), or using family tree analysis to find a suspect. Blacks—especially of the criminal underclass—tend not to use voluntary DNA services as much as white people, so whereas a white perp such as the Golden State Killer can be tracked down by studying public genealogy data, a black perp tends to be DNA-identified only if he—or a close relative—has contributed DNA in a prior criminal investigation, job application, or some other legal matter.

    I don't know what Edmonton's policy is on collecting and maintaining DNA data. In any case, if the perp is Somali there probably isn't much of a DNA record in Canada to match with. But I suppose it is not a bad PSA-type reminder for the naïve-at-3.8% Edmonton population to learn the race wariness of their more race-enriched southern neighbors.

    There are loony lefties [redundant] who insist that that all (black) DNA collected by law enforcement should be deleted so that black criminals can better evade punishment. While black DNA is not necessarily traceable to a source person, so many American whites have contributed DNA to voluntary DNA services that a DNA sample from any American white can almost always be traced by genealogy to the actual source person. Given that both US and Canadian governments now regard their white population as incipient domestic terrorists, this was an unfortunately concession to the public record by white people, however unwitting.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Anonymous

    Well within living memory Edmonton’s black population was just about zero.

  33. @AnotherDad
    FYI -- they put the kibosh on this sketch.

    https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/StatementonDNAPhenotyping

    It seems Edmonton--though no history of black slavery and only 4% black--miraculously has "racial issues" with policing and--another miracle!--has some African dude in charge of "police community relations" goobledygook. And he's taken upon himself to pull the sketch because "racialize community", "potential harm to black community" ... blah, blah, blah are more important than catching criminals.

    White people are just going to have to stop being pansies.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anonymouseperson

    Which just goes to show when you are dealing with blacks, you just can’t win.

    • Agree: bomag
  34. @Mike Tre
    "For example, here’s businessman Doug Pitt and his older brother Brad. Doug is a handsome guy, but he’s no Brad Pitt."

    And I bet Doug's dad was no mailman.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    For example, here’s businessman Doug Pitt and his older brother Brad. Doug is a handsome guy, but he’s no Brad Pitt.

    Their brother Arm is even worse…

    Somewhere or another, without making the effort, I assure you, I saw a school photo of Brad Pitt in a magazine. I think it might have been an 8th grade picture. Anyway, he was a goofy looking kid who didn’t bear much resemblance at all to his adult appearance.

  35. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It would be useful to know how likely it is the rapist is 100% black, because (according to this article I just pulled up), Edmonton’s blacks tend to come from four different sources: Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be. It’s good to rule out people for suspicion so you don’t pester innocent men.
     
    "98% sub-Saharan" is probably 100% black with 2% margin of error. The little graphic from Parabon-NanoLabs shows highest East African contribution, West African second, and South African(!) third. The East African diagram doesn't include Somalia, but that's probably just because the Parabon's database doesn't include Somalia rather than that the perp's DNA doesn't include Somalian. Indeed, the oddly Pan-African result probably reflects the genomics field's much vaguer databases of African populations compared to regions with more—and more exhaustively analyzed—data collection.

    Aside from vague race-y stuff, the real detection benefit of DNA analysis is either confirming a suspect already under surveillance or in custody (which Edmonton apparently doesn't have), or using family tree analysis to find a suspect. Blacks—especially of the criminal underclass—tend not to use voluntary DNA services as much as white people, so whereas a white perp such as the Golden State Killer can be tracked down by studying public genealogy data, a black perp tends to be DNA-identified only if he—or a close relative—has contributed DNA in a prior criminal investigation, job application, or some other legal matter.

    I don't know what Edmonton's policy is on collecting and maintaining DNA data. In any case, if the perp is Somali there probably isn't much of a DNA record in Canada to match with. But I suppose it is not a bad PSA-type reminder for the naïve-at-3.8% Edmonton population to learn the race wariness of their more race-enriched southern neighbors.

    There are loony lefties [redundant] who insist that that all (black) DNA collected by law enforcement should be deleted so that black criminals can better evade punishment. While black DNA is not necessarily traceable to a source person, so many American whites have contributed DNA to voluntary DNA services that a DNA sample from any American white can almost always be traced by genealogy to the actual source person. Given that both US and Canadian governments now regard their white population as incipient domestic terrorists, this was an unfortunately concession to the public record by white people, however unwitting.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Anonymous

    In the UK, a law passed by that great liberal, Tony Blair, mandates that anyone arrested and taken into custody for any offence whatsoever, even if later completely exonerated, has their DNA taken, analysed and stored on a national database forever.

    One side effect of this is that an absolutely enormous proportion of black men in the UK are included in the national DNA database.

  36. @John Johnson
    My guess is that we don’t yet have much of a clue of how genetics ties into the gestalt of facial features.

    Well it has already been used to catch a suspect:
    https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/dna-facial-mapping/

    They can also tease out height and build to some degree.

    Only a matter of time before police can scan a sample at the crime scene and immediately get the race of the suspect. Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn't exist.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @bomag

    Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.

    Do they even deign to explain such things anymore? Seems they just announce that the Inner Party has ruled it grounds for cancellation.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @bomag


    Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.
     
    Do they even deign to explain such things anymore? Seems they just announce that the Inner Party has ruled it grounds for cancellation

    Well they have to if it is a tool that the police use. They have had to grudgingly write articles where only shot spotter called the police over a shootout. So basically forced to report on an unwanted reality because of technology.

    I have seen op-eds from liberals calling for an end to shot spotter even though it is just a robot that calls the police. They want to reduce shootings by reporting fewer of them.

    We have also seen them call for an end to traffic cameras because they "disproportionately impact" minorities.

    Colorblind technology is racist.

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    Somalia, Nigeria, the Caribbean, and America. The latter two would tend to be not 100% black, while the former two might be.
     
    Are you sure Somali DNA would be "100% black"? Going back 200 years, sure, but 4,000? As with Ethiopians and Eritreans, they don't look Congoloid at all, particularly in the skull. They seem to be, after thousands of years of assimilation, a now-pure-but-once-mixed race.

    (I did know a Somaliman who's called "Tiger" because he's a dead ringer for Woods. But Woods is not the poster child for blackness.)

    One striking difference between Red Sea Africans and Atlantic Coast ones is that among the former, it's the women rather than the men who mate out.

    Born to be wild? The song of that name was written by "Mars Bonfire", a pseudonym of, get this, Dennis Edmonton.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Are you sure Somali DNA would be “100% black”? Going back 200 years, sure, but 4,000? As with Ethiopians and Eritreans, they don’t look Congoloid at all, particularly in the skull. They seem to be, after thousands of years of assimilation, a now-pure-but-once-mixed race.

    That is correct.

    If by “100% Black” we mean Western/Central Africa then that wouldn’t include Eastern Africans that are Eurasian/African mixed.

    One striking difference between Red Sea Africans and Atlantic Coast ones is that among the former, it’s the women rather than the men who mate out.

    You are saying Somali women are more likely to be with a non-Somali than the men?

    Probably true but I wonder how much that is the case for second/third generations. Children of Somalis seem to adopt African-American kooture to the dismay of both liberals and conservatives. There was a hope in Minnesota that their Muslim values would rub off on the natives. Pretty sad when our Christian conservatives are actually putting hope in foreigners and Islam as a solution. I guess they will do just about anything rather than face the reality of race.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    Probably true but I wonder how much that is the case for second/third generations. Children of Somalis seem to adopt African-American kooture to the dismay of both liberals and conservatives.
     
    Two Somali sailors settled in Wales before WWII, marrying local women. One was hanged for a murder which almost everyone now concedes was likely the other man's crime. (Parliament eventually issued a pardon.)

    Decades later, the hanged man's grandson was active in the English Defence League.

    My own suspicion is that Somalis, like Amish and Hasidim, are so inward-looking and sui generis that few will ever assimilate to anything, anywhere. There will be the occasional exception-- Iman had daughters with both Spencer Heywood and David Bowie. For a while, one of them, Lexi Jones, dated Tristan Beltrami, whose ancestry is Greek, Italian, Jewish, English, Scottish, and Irish. Imagine their issue.


    https://www.lavanguardia.com/files/image_948_465/uploads/2018/08/15/5fa436a75e53b.jpeg


    Then again, our own kids had nine known ethnic strains on paper, when a DNA analysis showed a tenth, Finnish, the most exotic of the lot.
  38. @bomag
    @John Johnson


    Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.
     
    Do they even deign to explain such things anymore? Seems they just announce that the Inner Party has ruled it grounds for cancellation.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Will be interesting to see liberals explain why the technology shouldn’t exist.

    Do they even deign to explain such things anymore? Seems they just announce that the Inner Party has ruled it grounds for cancellation

    Well they have to if it is a tool that the police use. They have had to grudgingly write articles where only shot spotter called the police over a shootout. So basically forced to report on an unwanted reality because of technology.

    I have seen op-eds from liberals calling for an end to shot spotter even though it is just a robot that calls the police. They want to reduce shootings by reporting fewer of them.

    We have also seen them call for an end to traffic cameras because they “disproportionately impact” minorities.

    Colorblind technology is racist.

  39. @Right_On
    Old-time novelists devoted an immense number of words to depicting in print the facial features of characters.

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved? As the original enthusiasts eventually dropped dead - and the rising generation of scientists had other interests - perhaps we just assumed it had been discredited. A.I. facial-recognition programs are starting to assign probable character traits.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @John Johnson

    Has physiognomy ever actually been disproved?

    Most of it is bunk but the modern belief that head shape has absolutely nothing to do with character traits is wishful thinking.

  40. Steve – be careful of attributing too much statistical wisdom to economists. In June 2020, the executive committee of the American Economic Association published a reading list on racism and the experience of black Americans, full of the usual black blarney artists like Ibram and Ta-Nehisi and Hannah-hyphen-hyphen-something.

    The members of the executive committee were:

    ADRIANA LLERAS-MUNEY, 2018-20
    BETSEY STEVENSON, 2018-20
    MARTHA BAILEY, 2019-21
    SUSANTO BASU, 2019-21
    LISA D. COOK, 2020-22

    Now all these women had very respectable educations and degrees. But apparently there is something about high-SAT girl economists that makes them ignorant about the most basic data on race, behavior, mental characteristics and so forth.

  41. @Anon
    Looks like you may have missed a couple of quite pertinent facts:

    1. The cop responsible for the visual (or at least who's taking the fall) was a Nigerian!

    Enyinnah Okere
    Chief Operating Officer
    Community Safety and Well-being Bureau
    Edmonton Police Service

    2. Enyinnah has posted a mea culpa and erased the generic black guy visual from the cops' website:

    "While the tension I felt over this was very real, I prioritized the investigation – which in this case involved the pursuit of justice for the victim, herself a member of a racialized community, over the potential harm to the Black community. This was not an acceptable trade-off and I apologize for this."

    https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/StatementonDNAPhenotyping

    Ha!

    Replies: @Macumazahn

  42. @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Are you sure Somali DNA would be “100% black”? Going back 200 years, sure, but 4,000? As with Ethiopians and Eritreans, they don’t look Congoloid at all, particularly in the skull. They seem to be, after thousands of years of assimilation, a now-pure-but-once-mixed race.

    That is correct.

    If by "100% Black" we mean Western/Central Africa then that wouldn't include Eastern Africans that are Eurasian/African mixed.

    One striking difference between Red Sea Africans and Atlantic Coast ones is that among the former, it’s the women rather than the men who mate out.

    You are saying Somali women are more likely to be with a non-Somali than the men?

    Probably true but I wonder how much that is the case for second/third generations. Children of Somalis seem to adopt African-American kooture to the dismay of both liberals and conservatives. There was a hope in Minnesota that their Muslim values would rub off on the natives. Pretty sad when our Christian conservatives are actually putting hope in foreigners and Islam as a solution. I guess they will do just about anything rather than face the reality of race.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Probably true but I wonder how much that is the case for second/third generations. Children of Somalis seem to adopt African-American kooture to the dismay of both liberals and conservatives.

    Two Somali sailors settled in Wales before WWII, marrying local women. One was hanged for a murder which almost everyone now concedes was likely the other man’s crime. (Parliament eventually issued a pardon.)

    Decades later, the hanged man’s grandson was active in the English Defence League.

    My own suspicion is that Somalis, like Amish and Hasidim, are so inward-looking and sui generis that few will ever assimilate to anything, anywhere. There will be the occasional exception– Iman had daughters with both Spencer Heywood and David Bowie. For a while, one of them, Lexi Jones, dated Tristan Beltrami, whose ancestry is Greek, Italian, Jewish, English, Scottish, and Irish. Imagine their issue.

    Then again, our own kids had nine known ethnic strains on paper, when a DNA analysis showed a tenth, Finnish, the most exotic of the lot.

  43. @SaneClownPosse
    They removed the image. Now the Edmonton police will have to prostrate themselves and say three hail Saint Floyd's.

    Replies: @Bubba

    Brilliant comment! 🙂

    Didn’t want to use the “LOL” button since it may be confused with a sarcastic laugh.

  44. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's pretty racist to assume that just because the results came back 98% sub-Saharan that the rapist is a black guy.

    I think they're doing this to scare the guy into coming down to the station to confess.

    Replies: @Cato

    It’s pretty racist to assume that just because the results came back 98% sub-Saharan that the rapist is a black guy.

    Even worse, they assume that just because they found a Y-chromosome that the rapist is a guy.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  45. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    There are about 10,000 male blacks of the right age for a rapist in Edmonton. Of them, only a about 100-200 would be Somali immigrants. Eliminate all who live far away from where the crime happened and you got small enough population to interview. 50% chance something not right will come during the interviews and another 50% chance that that something can be traced too real, reasonable suspicion. All in all, about 20% chance to solve a serious crime. But will EPD be allowed a chance to solve it, now that they are well-known “racists”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Young men who are half east African and half Bantu African can't be all that abundant in Edmonton, can they? Who knows? Maybe they are?

  46. @Anonymous
    There are about 10,000 male blacks of the right age for a rapist in Edmonton. Of them, only a about 100-200 would be Somali immigrants. Eliminate all who live far away from where the crime happened and you got small enough population to interview. 50% chance something not right will come during the interviews and another 50% chance that that something can be traced too real, reasonable suspicion. All in all, about 20% chance to solve a serious crime. But will EPD be allowed a chance to solve it, now that they are well-known "racists"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Young men who are half east African and half Bantu African can’t be all that abundant in Edmonton, can they? Who knows? Maybe they are?

  47. @AceDeuce
    This is crazy. Who the hell ever heard of a black rapist?

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Detroit Refugee

    Yea that’s crazy. My TV tells a different story.

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