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As in much mid-century science fiction influenced by H.G. Wells (who was such a fervent eugenicist that Sir Francis Galton made fun of his extremism), eugenics plays a role in Frank Herbert’s Dune.

Most famously, the female order who advise the Great Houses (rather like how Jesuits served as confessors to the Catholic monarchs) have been secretly directing for many generations an elite breeding program to produce an ubermensch who can see into the future.

But its manifestation in Dune’s main character Paul is far from an unmixed blessing. Paul is beset by the intuition that what he does to survive on Dune will launch a disastrous jihad across the 13,000 planets of the empire.

Interestingly, Paul intuits that the coming jihad will be for unplanned eugenics motivations, although not to further separate the races but to mix them:

Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.

 
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  1. Wasn’t part of the plot that Paul wasn’t planned, though?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck farmer

    The Bene Gesserit wanted Lady Jessica's child to be a girl, but she, using her Bene Gesserit-trained sorceress powers, chose to make the child a boy as a gift to the Duke, who needed a son.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @obwandiyag, @SteveRogers42

  2. The problem is that Western politicians sense their own dormancy, sense themselves grow stale, think it’s actually about White inbreeding and open the gates to hell.

    strong new mixtures survive

    It depends on evolutionary pressure what “strong” means. There are many types of strong.

    Alien strong?

  3. @Redneck farmer
    Wasn't part of the plot that Paul wasn't planned, though?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Bene Gesserit wanted Lady Jessica’s child to be a girl, but she, using her Bene Gesserit-trained sorceress powers, chose to make the child a boy as a gift to the Duke, who needed a son.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    I think it was later revealed that the Bene Gesserit planned for Jessica’s daughter to produce a son with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and that son would be the Kwisatz Haderach. He jus arrived one generation earlier than they had planned.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @G. Poulin

    , @obwandiyag
    @Steve Sailer

    Does somebody actually care about this crap.

    Hey, the Mlookymlooky needed Grand Poohbah Mildred's spawn to be a fish, but it, using its Mlookymlooky-derived prestidigitalization aptitudes, chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Wade Hampton, @Technite78

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    The actor kinda looks like the result of such a process.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  4. Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.

    Of course, this is always the after logic of the conqueror. Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East. But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it’s cycles and survived. The derert raiders brought nothing but the will to conquer, which is a circular logic as once they had conquered the civilisation they set about running it more or less the same way and sought to become decadent.

    Societies always go through cycles, the problems are when an enemy exists that can threaten it during a vulnerable period.

    • Agree: West reanimator
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Altai

    > Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East.

    Ibn Khaldun.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @Altai

    Vulnerable period? I think Herbert believed absent external threats there is no cycle, just terminal degeneration.

    Current year USG suggests he was right. Our greatest fear should be that liberalism is terminal, not what comes after it.

    , @Rahan
    @Altai


    But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it’s cycles and survived.
     
    Not necessarily. It could imploded in a Bronze Age style mega-collapse, toward a version of which the Aztec had been drifting already before the Spaniards. Sometimes civilizations do kill themselves from the inside through accumulation of systemic entropy coupled with soaring solipsism.
    , @pyrrhus
    @Altai

    But the real diversity shown in the movie of Dune is that the Fremen appear to be a mix of negroes, asiatics, native Americans, and white European..Pure Hollywood...The novel contains no such characters and indeed we aren't told anything about the Fremen's racial characteristics...

  5. ‘The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.’

    …of course, we seek to promote the least fit, not the most; equity rather than equality.

    It is interesting; just by the principles of natural selection, if blacks are present in the future at all, they would logically be segregated and and in menial roles. Any culture that attempts to do otherwise would be handicapping itself. The winner is unlikely to be the group that makes blacks its generals, scientists, and prophets.

    As of now, bet on the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Colin Wright

    As of now, China is in financial meltdown. Nobody's betting on China anymore.

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    Box Office (Gross USA): \$41.0M
    Runtime: 2h 35m (bring your lunch and or some energy drinks)
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_2021

    You will never guess the top selling energy drink at Amazon w 33K ratings. I never heard of it. https://www.amazon.com/Sparkling-Guava-Fitness-Drink-Sugar/dp/B09J9XJVD8

  7. With the right selection pressure, some race mixing is likely better than none — depending a bit on the relative traits of the populations involved. With the wrong selection pressure, any race mixing is likely worse. Mixing is an agent for change, but selection determines where that change goes.

    That’s the funny thing about genetics; in humans it’s both upstream and downstream of environment. Genes affect the society and the environment in humans, but environment affects the selection pressure that determines the future genetic makeup.

    This is why I’m a little less of a purist than some. Simply having a nation of good genetic stock is no guarantee of future success if the policies are dysgenic, and any society can improve its genetics with good, moral policies. Certainly, it is a far easier and shorter road if you start with good stock.

    It’s also fair to say that any large population has enough raw ‘good’ genes that it does not need outside genes in order to improve, and that the downsides of diversity are not worth the societal headaches.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Replies: @Odin, @megabar, @AnotherDad, @Anon

  8. @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck farmer

    The Bene Gesserit wanted Lady Jessica's child to be a girl, but she, using her Bene Gesserit-trained sorceress powers, chose to make the child a boy as a gift to the Duke, who needed a son.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @obwandiyag, @SteveRogers42

    I think it was later revealed that the Bene Gesserit planned for Jessica’s daughter to produce a son with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and that son would be the Kwisatz Haderach. He jus arrived one generation earlier than they had planned.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Wasn’t Jessica the daughter of Baron Harkonnen? So they wanted to create the Kwisatz Haderach with a little incest and a double dose of Harkonnen DNA?

    Replies: @p4nc4k3s Pl34s3

    , @G. Poulin
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Hard to believe that the Harkonnens had any genes lurking in those bods that would have provided enhanced mental abilities. Them Harkonnens was pretty dumb.

  9. @megabar
    With the right selection pressure, some race mixing is likely better than none -- depending a bit on the relative traits of the populations involved. With the wrong selection pressure, any race mixing is likely worse. Mixing is an agent for change, but selection determines where that change goes.

    That's the funny thing about genetics; in humans it's both upstream and downstream of environment. Genes affect the society and the environment in humans, but environment affects the selection pressure that determines the future genetic makeup.

    This is why I'm a little less of a purist than some. Simply having a nation of good genetic stock is no guarantee of future success if the policies are dysgenic, and any society can improve its genetics with good, moral policies. Certainly, it is a far easier and shorter road if you start with good stock.

    It's also fair to say that any large population has enough raw 'good' genes that it does not need outside genes in order to improve, and that the downsides of diversity are not worth the societal headaches.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    • Replies: @Odin
    @Louis Renault


    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religious leaders, like Jim Jones?
     
    Wikipedia, citing a 'recovered FBI tape', says Jim Jones asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."

    Surely Biden and Fauci couldn't be trying to demonstrate the same thing...

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    , @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    The environment -- i.e. policies, in a modern society -- will always change the genetic makeup of a population, regardless of whether or not that's the intent.

    There are very hard questions to ask about how to manage this well, but simply ignoring it entirely is likely to produce bad results, as in the modern West.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    , @AnotherDad
    @Louis Renault



    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religious leaders, like Jim Jones?
     
    It is being decided--by the cultural environment, the economic environment and the government (social policy) environment--regardless of how we feel about it.

    To answer your question i think it is the people of the nation, who should decide it in the interests of the nations and their posterity's future--and eyes open, eugenics being understood to be legitimate and in fact the most critical aspect of public policy.
    , @Anon
    @Louis Renault

    Who decides are the members of the eugenicist vanguard when they come into power.

    But if you're already planning on losing, then sure, there's no point in doing anything.

  10. CRISPR is here and genetic engineering along with machine learning will open up new doors soon.

    India and China will for sure. So will Israel. In the future, we may see a Brown America (if the hyper-religious get their way) and growing White India! They love to look white as possible so they will use this technology.

    Asia may go for a more Aryan aesthetic if their manga is any guide.

  11. @Altai

    Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.
     
    Of course, this is always the after logic of the conqueror. Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East. But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it's cycles and survived. The derert raiders brought nothing but the will to conquer, which is a circular logic as once they had conquered the civilisation they set about running it more or less the same way and sought to become decadent.

    Societies always go through cycles, the problems are when an enemy exists that can threaten it during a vulnerable period.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Rahan, @pyrrhus

    > Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East.

    Ibn Khaldun.

  12. Damascene moments just aren’t what they used to be.

  13. Fertility clinic doctors like Philip Peven, Cecil Byran Jacobson, Jan Karbaat, Bertold Wiesner (and his neuro colleague Derek Richter), Michael Kiken, Bernard Norman Barwin and Morris Wortman.

    Using your own juice saves a shedload of tedious paperwork, I guess. I wonder what else these good fellows, apart from probably Karbaat and maybe Richter have in common? They obviously have strong views on the preferred mixture.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Expletive Deleted


    Using your own juice saves a shedload of tedious paperwork, I guess. I wonder what else these good fellows, apart from probably Karbaat and maybe Richter have in common? They obviously have strong views on the preferred mixture.
     
    Cecil Jacobson was a classic Scandinavian Mormon Utahn. Customers Families were in a poor position to complain, since he gave them what they paid for, eugenic sperm. (The one couple who were expecting the husband's semen were on stronger footing.) It's silly to protest unethical behavior in an industry that is unethical by definition.

    The -son suggests Jacobson was Swedish, but no, his great-grandfather came from Denmark:

    http://www.anusha.com/pafg462.htm#12547

    The Danes are the world leaders in exporting human sperm. Which means there are countless uægte kærlighedsbørn crawling the planet. That and the invention of the "sex change" are blots on an otherwise admirable national record.

    Mormons of other blood are guilty, as well:


    Report: Utah kidnapper is woman's father due to semen switch

    Was Your Child Fathered by Thomas Lippert?

    Replies: @Alden

  14. OT

    Steve mentioned Jesuits; I’ve recently read Stark’s very good book debunking anti-Catholic propaganda. So, here it is (epub, not pdf, you can use any e-reader, although I prefer calibre on a wider screen; also click on the picture & download)

    Rodney Stark: Bearing false Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History

    https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=C0F1014A65FDCB73750B363E62592D1C

    • Thanks: HA
  15. Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists. The current pope’s loyalities are easy to divine (heh) as well.

    Herbert was truly ahead of his time.

    (The whole thing is good. Jesuit stuff w/ Oswald early on, ffwd to 45m for the Obama family revelations. Lattices of coincidence, indeed.)

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @dcthrowback

    "Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists."

    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire. The Black Pope is the head cheese, the top banana. The best exorcists come out of the Jesuits because they produce the most demons.

    Replies: @Odin, @kaganovitch

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @dcthrowback

    dc, the Jesuits educated many Central and South American leaders but, as far as I know, only bill clinton (Georgetown), in the USA. Any more?

    , @BB753
    @dcthrowback

    Per Wemhoff's book , Jesuits have been in bed with the CIA since the 50's. Council Vatican II was their love child.
    https://www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/john-courtney-murray-timelife-and-the-american-proposition

    The famous Jesuit author and Vatican insider, himself no saint, Malachi Martin, reveals a lot about Jesuit intrigues in the books "Keys of This Blood" and The Jesuits".
    To sum up, Jesuits were and still are the Vatican's intelligence agency and black ops department, among other things, now co-opted by the CIA/Mossad.
    Early on, many Jesuits joined freemasonry. And a Jesuit, Adam Weisshaupt, was the founder of the Bavarian Illuminatis, which in turn infiltrated freemasonry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

  16. “Paul intuits that the coming jihad will be for unplanned eugenics motivations, although not to further separate the races but to mix them.”

    Echoes the jihad waged against white American normals by white and sacred coloured American elites. I realize this is an obvious observation but I hope it’ll be enough to gain me entre into the iSteve Clubhouse where middle age male nudity is cherished. (iSteve Clubhouse naked #9)

    Oh yeah: Steve, great review of Dune in Taki’s. Your style shines in the cultural/arts realm. Again, I enjoy communal nudity.

  17. @dcthrowback
    Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists. The current pope's loyalities are easy to divine (heh) as well.

    Herbert was truly ahead of his time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZZBfMXsUA

    (The whole thing is good. Jesuit stuff w/ Oswald early on, ffwd to 45m for the Obama family revelations. Lattices of coincidence, indeed.)

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753

    “Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists.”

    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire. The Black Pope is the head cheese, the top banana. The best exorcists come out of the Jesuits because they produce the most demons.

    • Replies: @Odin
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire.
     
    'House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor'
    is something like
    'House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus'.


    Still, a fascinating assertion. Citation?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @kaganovitch
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Dude, too much sun. Perhaps a hat would be helpful?

  18. This is overthinking it.

    The basic eugenics premise in Dune:

    a) was a stronger social current in the time of the novel’s writing than it is today – which says something by itself – the conversation has been dumbed down, most people don’t know what eugenics is, even when they are talking about eugenics ,

    but more importantly the premise is :

    b) a plot device. Dune wouldn’t be Dune without the Bene Gesserit bringing a multi-millenial eugenics project to its climax.

    Spend 20 seconds just trying to think that through. Think of all the plots that fail, without the eugenics plot as a backbone.

    That is plot device, and premise. Theme is a different matter.

    The theme of Dune is this: Messiahs suck
    The “Great Man” theory of history – is bollocks, and leads to disaster almost everywhere it is attempted. The “Golden Path” was a path to make so many people, in so many places, that reality itself smudges out of existence the very possibility of Messiahs and Great Men.

    You don’t have to take my word for this – in afterwards on the novel Herbert comes right out and says all of this.

    In that respect, the very last Great Man – the culmination of Bene Gesserit dreams, was paradoxically:

    a) not a man, b) not at all great for the reasons the Bene Gesserit had hoped, and c) does in fact do something noble and worthy: he forever frees mankind from Messiahs and Great Men

    Paradox, for it’s part – makes a great story – and eugenics here is just a vehicle or medium to get to that end, paradox, so don’t overthink it or try to beat the square peg into a round hole. Herbert wasn’t talking about, what we talk about here, so much. He had a different thing going on.

    Finally – one more reason not to overthink this: how does the Great Man Who is Not a Man who Frees Mankind from All Great Men, do it?

    Well – he creates so much boring stability, for so long, that people have lots and lots of sex, all the way across all kinds of galaxies, so there’s lots and lots of mixing, because: obvious – re-read same sentence.

    Again: plot device. Don’t overthink it.

    • Replies: @Keith Magnadiodleson
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Yeah but the last great man worm then eventually gave way to rule by tyrannical asskicking chix so we ended up back in the Marvel Universe after all.

    Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @El Dato

  19. @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Replies: @Odin, @megabar, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religious leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Wikipedia, citing a ‘recovered FBI tape’, says Jim Jones asked himself, “How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church.”

    Surely Biden and Fauci couldn’t be trying to demonstrate the same thing…

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Odin

    The KookAid doesn't work unless everyone drinks it.

  20. @Altai

    Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.
     
    Of course, this is always the after logic of the conqueror. Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East. But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it's cycles and survived. The derert raiders brought nothing but the will to conquer, which is a circular logic as once they had conquered the civilisation they set about running it more or less the same way and sought to become decadent.

    Societies always go through cycles, the problems are when an enemy exists that can threaten it during a vulnerable period.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Rahan, @pyrrhus

    Vulnerable period? I think Herbert believed absent external threats there is no cycle, just terminal degeneration.

    Current year USG suggests he was right. Our greatest fear should be that liberalism is terminal, not what comes after it.

  21. OT: Huma Abedin says she was sexually assaulted by an unnamed US Senator when she was in her twenties:

    The incident allegedly happened after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner attended by other lawmakers when he invited her out for a walk and then up to his apartment for some coffee. After telling Abedin to make herself “comfortable on the couch,” the senator then made his move.

    “In an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa,” she writes in the memoir.

    So, a young woman is invited for a walk by a man and then invited to his apartment and further to make herself comfortable on his couch. The young woman should reasonably suspect that a romantic pass is in the offing. The man makes a too abrupt and clumsy pass. The woman makes a clumsy refusal (clumsy, because a more experienced woman like Mae West would have cut him off sooner). After the rejection the man immediately apologizes.

    Why is this sexual assault? Romantic relations between the sexes necessitate that there will be unwanted romantic overtures followed by rejections.

    Not saying it was good to try for the first kiss without more testing of the waters, but that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @rebel yell


    that makes him a cad, not a criminal.
     
    Nowadays that's pretty much rape.

    C.f. Harvey Weinstein.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @rebel yell


    after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner
     
    The question is whether Joe Biden can account for his whereabouts on the night in question.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @mc23
    @rebel yell

    At least her husband had the decency to first show her a picture on his phone.

    , @Alden
    @rebel yell

    I can tell you what happened. And it’s happened to most women. Guy is a work acquaintance. They both were at a work related event. They talked OK.fine no alarm They walked together to an area where there was just one couch but no chairs.

    First mild alarm. Never sit on a couch with a man you don’t want to be kissed or pawed by. Always sit on a chair.

    Second and big alarm. Lecher takes off his jacket. Oh s**t. He’s going to make a move. Not again

    Then he grabs and slobbers on her. She shoved him off and and tells him politely to F off politely because at that point she’s a lowly aide and he’s a senator.

    Men are lechers. What’s the big shock and drama about it. Just reject him. Unless he’ gets physical. Then scream like a banshee. When walking with a man you workplace never walk next to the wall. To prevent him backing you into the wall. Never smile or make eye contact. Keep your head down. Don’t look at them. Cubicles are made for lechers. They can come in behind you and breath on your neck. Sometimes slobber. Men are men. Like bad weather, deal with it.

    Replies: @El Dato

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck farmer

    The Bene Gesserit wanted Lady Jessica's child to be a girl, but she, using her Bene Gesserit-trained sorceress powers, chose to make the child a boy as a gift to the Duke, who needed a son.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @obwandiyag, @SteveRogers42

    Does somebody actually care about this crap.

    Hey, the Mlookymlooky needed Grand Poohbah Mildred’s spawn to be a fish, but it, using its Mlookymlooky-derived prestidigitalization aptitudes, chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie.

    • LOL: Black Athena
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @obwandiyag

    I guess the savage is distinguished by the gorilla sound he emits while people try to discuss Plato's "Republic".

    , @Wade Hampton
    @obwandiyag

    I look forward to your next comment about golf architecture.

    , @Technite78
    @obwandiyag


    ...chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie
     
    Isn't there a Voodoo blog that you frequent where this would be more appropriate?
  23. @Colin Wright
    'The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.'

    ...of course, we seek to promote the least fit, not the most; equity rather than equality.

    It is interesting; just by the principles of natural selection, if blacks are present in the future at all, they would logically be segregated and and in menial roles. Any culture that attempts to do otherwise would be handicapping itself. The winner is unlikely to be the group that makes blacks its generals, scientists, and prophets.

    As of now, bet on the Chinese.

    Replies: @Anon

    As of now, China is in financial meltdown. Nobody’s betting on China anymore.

    • Disagree: El Dato, Polistra
    • LOL: Kratoklastes
  24. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    I think it was later revealed that the Bene Gesserit planned for Jessica’s daughter to produce a son with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and that son would be the Kwisatz Haderach. He jus arrived one generation earlier than they had planned.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @G. Poulin

    Wasn’t Jessica the daughter of Baron Harkonnen? So they wanted to create the Kwisatz Haderach with a little incest and a double dose of Harkonnen DNA?

    • Replies: @p4nc4k3s Pl34s3
    @Wilkey

    Feyd was the son of Abulurd Harkonnen, the Baron's half-brother.

  25. Dune is a bad movie. However, I am gonna watch all of them. In real life only stock market rewards for being able to see the future. Democratic politics does not. Most people who think about these things think that the progress will stay the same as it before, that is, think inductively. Those kind of predictions never hold too long like Moore’s law etc. Real life forecasters are so rare that if they predict something different than the mainstream all they got is bad rap. Most people are usually in love with their own judgement’s. Even a scifi-nerd can be aggressive with their technological predictions although no one predicts the future worse than your average scifi-nerd. This happened also in 2016 with the European immigration crisis. When people realize what happened, people won’t remember who said what.

  26. @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Replies: @Odin, @megabar, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    The environment — i.e. policies, in a modern society — will always change the genetic makeup of a population, regardless of whether or not that’s the intent.

    There are very hard questions to ask about how to manage this well, but simply ignoring it entirely is likely to produce bad results, as in the modern West.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Bad results, unlike on the continent of Africa, or the far east.

    Replies: @megabar

  27. It’s all so tiresome, interpreting this endlessly malleable and pretentious material. Real life produces horrors and drama enough.
    If I want escapism I’ll seek it out. But this is a sort of cop-out (and cope-out), a way to talk about the horror of mankind’s present trajectory without talking about it, indeed, while talking about work on the level of boy’s adventure tales.
    No thanks.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dennis Dale

    I'm 50/50 on that.

    But art is like that. If no-one discussed it, that would be sad.

    Meanwhile virus news:

    From "Just the flu" to "Oh fuck, the flu!"

    China reports new human case of highly deadly bird flu in southern province


    Health authorities in China’s Guangdong province have reported a single human case of the H5N6 strain of bird flu in Dongguan city. The virus, which has increasingly jumped to humans this year, kills half of its hosts.

    On Thursday, the Health Commission of Guangdong Province said it considered the risk of H5N6 transmission to be low after a local citizen was found to be infected with the bird flu strain.

    The case was reported in Dongguan, a southern city home to some 10 million people. It is unclear how the person came to contract the virus at this stage.

    The H5N6 subtype of avian influenza is known to be particularly deadly, with more than half of those infected dying from the virus. It is known to cause severe illness in all age groups.
     

    Meanwhile the other "not just the flu"

    Coronavirus A.30 variant ‘efficiently evades’ antibodies induced by Pfizer & AstraZeneca vaccines – lab study


    The A.30 variant of the coronavirus, detected in Angola and Sweden, is highly resistant to antibodies induced by the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines, a new lab study has shown.

    According to the study published in the peer-reviewed journal Cellular & Molecular Immunology this week, the A.30 variant showed improved ability to enter most host cells, including kidney, liver, and lung cells.
     

    Fuu~~

    Evolution: A weak but highly parallel search algorithm with high impact outcomes.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dennis Dale

    "while talking about work on the level of boy's adventure tales"

    What feeds the imagination of boys and men is critical, especially now. Story and imagination create civilizations. To be of any use you'll have to look beyond the bounds of your short life.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

  28. @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    The environment -- i.e. policies, in a modern society -- will always change the genetic makeup of a population, regardless of whether or not that's the intent.

    There are very hard questions to ask about how to manage this well, but simply ignoring it entirely is likely to produce bad results, as in the modern West.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    Bad results, unlike on the continent of Africa, or the far east.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    Bad results, relative to past Western norms. Fertility is highest among the least intelligent due to modern societal norms and policies.

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @anon, @Anonymous

  29. Just as elite breeding can be a mixed blessing, so can elite, forced learning. William James Sidis was raised by his Jewish (uh oh) M.D.(uh oh) parents to be, like, really really smart. He was reading The NY Times (uh oh) at age 18 months. Entered Harvard (uh oh) at age 11 (one more uh oh). A math and verbal prodigy. IQ 250, the highest ever. But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @SafeNow

    Every.Single.Time.

    Grifters gonna grift.

    Today no amount of fakery by his huckster parents would get the kid into a mid-rung 4-year college.

    In that sense the move away from a high-trust society has had useful effects.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @SafeNow

    Sidis was a professor of chemistry at Rice U. as a teenager, along with Julian Huxley.

    He was a huge nerd and more or less founded the nerd hobby of knowing everything there is to know about urban transit systems.

    The other famous youth prodigy of the era was Norbert Weiner who went on to have a pretty good career, although he had some problems too.

    Replies: @gc

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @SafeNow


    But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.
     
    By choice. He came to hate publicity and shunned it.

    Quite understandable.
  30. If Jessica had that much control over her reproduction, why did she wait so long to have a second child? Aristocrats like plenty of spares and daughters to marry off in alliances.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @Redneck farmer

    The Bene Gesserit wanted Lady Jessica's child to be a girl, but she, using her Bene Gesserit-trained sorceress powers, chose to make the child a boy as a gift to the Duke, who needed a son.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @obwandiyag, @SteveRogers42

    The actor kinda looks like the result of such a process.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @SteveRogers42

    OUCH button when

  32. @Dennis Dale
    It's all so tiresome, interpreting this endlessly malleable and pretentious material. Real life produces horrors and drama enough.
    If I want escapism I'll seek it out. But this is a sort of cop-out (and cope-out), a way to talk about the horror of mankind's present trajectory without talking about it, indeed, while talking about work on the level of boy's adventure tales.
    No thanks.

    Replies: @El Dato, @SunBakedSuburb

    I’m 50/50 on that.

    But art is like that. If no-one discussed it, that would be sad.

    Meanwhile virus news:

    From “Just the flu” to “Oh fuck, the flu!”

    China reports new human case of highly deadly bird flu in southern province

    Health authorities in China’s Guangdong province have reported a single human case of the H5N6 strain of bird flu in Dongguan city. The virus, which has increasingly jumped to humans this year, kills half of its hosts.

    On Thursday, the Health Commission of Guangdong Province said it considered the risk of H5N6 transmission to be low after a local citizen was found to be infected with the bird flu strain.

    The case was reported in Dongguan, a southern city home to some 10 million people. It is unclear how the person came to contract the virus at this stage.

    The H5N6 subtype of avian influenza is known to be particularly deadly, with more than half of those infected dying from the virus. It is known to cause severe illness in all age groups.

    Meanwhile the other “not just the flu”

    Coronavirus A.30 variant ‘efficiently evades’ antibodies induced by Pfizer & AstraZeneca vaccines – lab study

    The A.30 variant of the coronavirus, detected in Angola and Sweden, is highly resistant to antibodies induced by the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines, a new lab study has shown.

    According to the study published in the peer-reviewed journal Cellular & Molecular Immunology this week, the A.30 variant showed improved ability to enter most host cells, including kidney, liver, and lung cells.

    Fuu~~

    Evolution: A weak but highly parallel search algorithm with high impact outcomes.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @El Dato

    Perverse as I am, I've actually been hoping that China would unleash another nightmare like this, and soon. Would shut up many of the right people, for a while at least. Yeah, I'm just naughty like that.

  33. OT – must be nice to have the money to take three or four months off when you have a family. Our Pointless Gestures Correspondent reports:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/28/cop26-activists-head-to-glasgow-via-land-sea-and-in-a-giant-metal-ball

    Arnd Drossel has spent the past three months rolling around inside a 160kg steel ball.

    The German environmental activist left his home in Paderborn on 30 July in the giant contraption resembling a hamster ball that he made with his son.

    Now he is finally approaching Glasgow in time for the UN’s Cop26 climate summit with a collection of environmental promises he has collected from passersby en route.

    “I wanted to show that we are all connected around the world by the promises we make to the environment,” he said as he waited for a ferry in Belfast.

    “When I am walking on a flat surface it feels like walking up a mountain, because of the weight of the ball,” Drossel said. “When I go uphill, I sometimes have to ask people to help me push the ball up, but this also symbolises people growing and working together.”

    Wow. He’s right! Heavy, man – in every sense.

    Another activist, Dave Erasmus, who along with five colleagues is sailing to Glasgow from Bristol, recording sound samples of whales and other sea creatures along the way, said: “We didn’t want to just do rebellious activism. We didn’t want to just be pleading.

    “We wanted to actually do something that was transformational for ourselves.”

    Neither Erasmus nor the rest of the crew had much sailing experience before setting off. “None of us had actually gone with the wind before but it’s all part of the change that we need to make,” he said. “We need to be making a move back to a world where we’re powered completely in unison with what the biosphere provides us.”

    If the biosphere provides 35-foot fibreglass catamarans, can I have one?

    (I’d love to know if there’s an engine hiding somewhere. The west coast of Scotland in October or at any time is no place to be caught without one)

    Once they reach the summit Erasmus plans to play the sound samples in the corridors of the conference centre. “We’re trying to bring the actual voice of nature to the summit,” he said. “Because if you don’t listen to something, you can’t connect with it.”

    He hopes this will persuade conference officials to dedicate more time to discussing the ocean.

    LOL. For some reason I’m reminded of this.

    “Yesterday, I bid farewell to my best friend Travis, who was sailing to China on a raft made from empty soy milk cartons tied together with macrame’d hemp rope.”

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "Another activist, Dave Erasmus, who along with five colleagues is sailing to Glasgow from Bristol, recording sound samples of whales along the way, said:
    “We wanted to actually do something that was transformational for ourselves.”

    If memory serves, the real Erasmus, while on a long journey riding on a mule, wrote "Praise of Folly" in his head.

    Now THAT'S actually doing something, THAT'S transformational.

    , @El Dato
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The real deal:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2LdnA1cC0&t=2458s


    Sailing Seven Seas. Siberian Guys Circumnavigated the Globe in a Catamaran | RT Documentary
     
    Includes repairing the tubes on which the cat is built on the fly, evading pirates and more.
  34. @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Replies: @Odin, @megabar, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religious leaders, like Jim Jones?

    It is being decided–by the cultural environment, the economic environment and the government (social policy) environment–regardless of how we feel about it.

    To answer your question i think it is the people of the nation, who should decide it in the interests of the nations and their posterity’s future–and eyes open, eugenics being understood to be legitimate and in fact the most critical aspect of public policy.

  35. @dcthrowback
    Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists. The current pope's loyalities are easy to divine (heh) as well.

    Herbert was truly ahead of his time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZZBfMXsUA

    (The whole thing is good. Jesuit stuff w/ Oswald early on, ffwd to 45m for the Obama family revelations. Lattices of coincidence, indeed.)

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753

    dc, the Jesuits educated many Central and South American leaders but, as far as I know, only bill clinton (Georgetown), in the USA. Any more?

  36. @SunBakedSuburb
    @dcthrowback

    "Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists."

    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire. The Black Pope is the head cheese, the top banana. The best exorcists come out of the Jesuits because they produce the most demons.

    Replies: @Odin, @kaganovitch

    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire.

    ‘House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor’
    is something like
    ‘House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus’.

    Still, a fascinating assertion. Citation?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Odin

    "House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus"

    Basically the same thing. As is the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and the House of Windsor: Germans carrying the Babylonian gene through intermarriage with Jewish banksters.

    Replies: @Odin

  37. @obwandiyag
    @Steve Sailer

    Does somebody actually care about this crap.

    Hey, the Mlookymlooky needed Grand Poohbah Mildred's spawn to be a fish, but it, using its Mlookymlooky-derived prestidigitalization aptitudes, chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Wade Hampton, @Technite78

    I guess the savage is distinguished by the gorilla sound he emits while people try to discuss Plato’s “Republic”.

  38. European stock has plenty of “mixing” for genetic robustness, always has, always will. I have a theory that that European (white) women are considered the most desirable, almost universally so. (See King Kong).

    So men, across all times and places, aspire to have European women. The mixing comes from the men.

    The European race is the product of thousands of years of men trying to have European women. The “fittest” men were able to accomplish that (through conquer mostly, but also cleverness, etc.). Ergo, the European race has benefitted greatly from a genetic accident of having women that happen to be the most desired.

    When the Asian Ascent is complete, it’s only going to result in them wanting hot white chicks.

    • LOL: Chester
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Bannon

    Asians seem to have their own preferred “hot chick” phenotype and while it has rounder eyes than typical for the region it’s not exactly a European woman.

  39. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    This is overthinking it.

    The basic eugenics premise in Dune:

    a) was a stronger social current in the time of the novel's writing than it is today - which says something by itself - the conversation has been dumbed down, most people don't know what eugenics is, even when they are talking about eugenics ,

    but more importantly the premise is :

    b) a plot device. Dune wouldn't be Dune without the Bene Gesserit bringing a multi-millenial eugenics project to its climax.

    Spend 20 seconds just trying to think that through. Think of all the plots that fail, without the eugenics plot as a backbone.

    That is plot device, and premise. Theme is a different matter.

    The theme of Dune is this: Messiahs suck
    The "Great Man" theory of history - is bollocks, and leads to disaster almost everywhere it is attempted. The "Golden Path" was a path to make so many people, in so many places, that reality itself smudges out of existence the very possibility of Messiahs and Great Men.

    You don't have to take my word for this - in afterwards on the novel Herbert comes right out and says all of this.

    In that respect, the very last Great Man - the culmination of Bene Gesserit dreams, was paradoxically:

    a) not a man, b) not at all great for the reasons the Bene Gesserit had hoped, and c) does in fact do something noble and worthy: he forever frees mankind from Messiahs and Great Men

    Paradox, for it's part - makes a great story - and eugenics here is just a vehicle or medium to get to that end, paradox, so don't overthink it or try to beat the square peg into a round hole. Herbert wasn't talking about, what we talk about here, so much. He had a different thing going on.

    Finally - one more reason not to overthink this: how does the Great Man Who is Not a Man who Frees Mankind from All Great Men, do it?

    Well - he creates so much boring stability, for so long, that people have lots and lots of sex, all the way across all kinds of galaxies, so there's lots and lots of mixing, because: obvious - re-read same sentence.

    Again: plot device. Don't overthink it.

    Replies: @Keith Magnadiodleson

    Yeah but the last great man worm then eventually gave way to rule by tyrannical asskicking chix so we ended up back in the Marvel Universe after all.

    • Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @Keith Magnadiodleson

    hey man - props to you for not overthinking it

    "rule by tyrannical asskicking chix" uber alles!

    , @El Dato
    @Keith Magnadiodleson

    Are you talking about the Trout Karens or the Honored Matres?

  40. @SafeNow
    Just as elite breeding can be a mixed blessing, so can elite, forced learning. William James Sidis was raised by his Jewish (uh oh) M.D.(uh oh) parents to be, like, really really smart. He was reading The NY Times (uh oh) at age 18 months. Entered Harvard (uh oh) at age 11 (one more uh oh). A math and verbal prodigy. IQ 250, the highest ever. But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Every.Single.Time.

    Grifters gonna grift.

    Today no amount of fakery by his huckster parents would get the kid into a mid-rung 4-year college.

    In that sense the move away from a high-trust society has had useful effects.

  41. Maybe Herbert should have written DUNETICS and made a killing like L. Ron Hubbard.

    More profits from Duniverse.

  42. @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    The actor kinda looks like the result of such a process.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    OUCH button when

  43. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    I cannot watch “Dune”, or “Foundation” or even the final chapter of the James Bond saga because here in the country I live they require vaccine certificate for you to enter a movie theater. I didn’t take the vaccine because I am not sure about the long-term safety of these RNA-based vaccines, a very new technology of the past 10 years. Because of COVID, I will miss watching Daniel Craig’s last film as Bond. Maybe I watch it on HBO Prime or Netflix. But it’s not the same as watching it on the Big Screen. When it comes to action-packed blockbusters, *nothing* compares to the theatrical experience. Is there anything that COVID won’t take from us? Am I the only one who is sick to his stomach of this FKing virus? Almost 2 years in, and more quarantines and mandates coming.

    At least Americans still have a little freedom. Don’t lose the best thing about the U.S.A, the only country on Earth where the governemnt doesn’t treat it’s citizens as identured servants who exist solely to pay taxes and shut up and do whatever the authorities tell them to do. Although Anthony Fauci seems hell-bent in bringing this to U.S.A as well. Americans, don’t let your country become like the rest of the Earth.

  44. @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Bad results, unlike on the continent of Africa, or the far east.

    Replies: @megabar

    Bad results, relative to past Western norms. Fertility is highest among the least intelligent due to modern societal norms and policies.

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    You mean technology from the west has essentially eliminated mass starvation in places like Africa.

    , @anon
    @megabar


    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.
     
    Not that hard. Turns out that reaction time correlated well with IQ (less time to react ->higher IQ). Reaction time studies go back to the 1800s. See Dutton's book on "genius", search Amazon.com

    The decline in IQ is about 1 point/decade for the West. That's about 7 points, about half a standard deviation, in the average US life span, and about 15 points since 1870.

    There is serious reason to believe that the West no longer has the genetic base to support industrial society.
    , @Anonymous
    @megabar


    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.
     
    Not that hard. Turns out that reaction time correlated well with IQ (less time to react ->higher IQ). Reaction time studies go back to the 1800s. See Dutton's book on "genius", search Amazon.com

    The decline in IQ is about 1 point/decade for the West. That's about 7 points, about half a standard deviation, in the average US life span, and about 15 points since 1870.

    The rate of basic invention introduction in the West has been dropping since about 1900, and today very few young understand much more than how to ask software for answers. There is serious reason to believe that the West no longer has the genetic base to support industrial society.
  45. I saw Dune today, and in my opinion it’s not much of a movie.

    It’s as if Denis Villeneuve was the scout for locations, and the movie mostly just consists of the locations he found and made in CGI. It’s long and dim, thunderous if you see it in IMAX and he mostly uses the same color palette for the people as well as for the scenery. Some whites, some blacks, mostly shades of yellow and brown. And don’t forget the subtle blue of the ibad, which in the book was described as much more striking.

    Imagine Lawrence of Arabia or Khartoum but mostly without actors or dialog. It’s just kind of an empty film.

    And apparently the race-mixing gets started by our Kwisatz Haderach, who falls for a frankly plain-looking brown girl on some distant planet. I much prefer the name given in the parody book Doon; he’s called the Kumquat Hagendasz.

    It gets even better in the next movie, when he rejects hot white girl Irulan for his Jeb Bush-style gal. Take that, supremacists!

  46. @Odin
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire.
     
    'House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor'
    is something like
    'House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus'.


    Still, a fascinating assertion. Citation?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus”

    Basically the same thing. As is the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and the House of Windsor: Germans carrying the Babylonian gene through intermarriage with Jewish banksters.

    • Replies: @Odin
    @SunBakedSuburb



    “House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus”
     
    Basically the same thing

     

    Yes: that was my point.

    At any rate, still on tenterhooks for the citation(s).
  47. @rebel yell
    OT: Huma Abedin says she was sexually assaulted by an unnamed US Senator when she was in her twenties:

    The incident allegedly happened after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner attended by other lawmakers when he invited her out for a walk and then up to his apartment for some coffee. After telling Abedin to make herself “comfortable on the couch,” the senator then made his move.

    “In an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa,” she writes in the memoir.
     
    So, a young woman is invited for a walk by a man and then invited to his apartment and further to make herself comfortable on his couch. The young woman should reasonably suspect that a romantic pass is in the offing. The man makes a too abrupt and clumsy pass. The woman makes a clumsy refusal (clumsy, because a more experienced woman like Mae West would have cut him off sooner). After the rejection the man immediately apologizes.

    Why is this sexual assault? Romantic relations between the sexes necessitate that there will be unwanted romantic overtures followed by rejections.

    Not saying it was good to try for the first kiss without more testing of the waters, but that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @mc23, @Alden

    that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    Nowadays that’s pretty much rape.

    C.f. Harvey Weinstein.

  48. @Dennis Dale
    It's all so tiresome, interpreting this endlessly malleable and pretentious material. Real life produces horrors and drama enough.
    If I want escapism I'll seek it out. But this is a sort of cop-out (and cope-out), a way to talk about the horror of mankind's present trajectory without talking about it, indeed, while talking about work on the level of boy's adventure tales.
    No thanks.

    Replies: @El Dato, @SunBakedSuburb

    “while talking about work on the level of boy’s adventure tales”

    What feeds the imagination of boys and men is critical, especially now. Story and imagination create civilizations. To be of any use you’ll have to look beyond the bounds of your short life.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @SunBakedSuburb

    You're right. Forgive the outburst. But I'll be looking elsewhere. Dune was wonderful when I was a boy and had no idea of the supposed import of it all. Obviously great work, I'm just at that Theodore Adorno stage; paraphrasing him: all fantasy after Floyd is barbaric.

    But you'll never get me to accept the importance of Star Ship Troopers. Don't get me started on that piece of...

  49. @Bannon
    European stock has plenty of "mixing" for genetic robustness, always has, always will. I have a theory that that European (white) women are considered the most desirable, almost universally so. (See King Kong).

    So men, across all times and places, aspire to have European women. The mixing comes from the men.

    The European race is the product of thousands of years of men trying to have European women. The "fittest" men were able to accomplish that (through conquer mostly, but also cleverness, etc.). Ergo, the European race has benefitted greatly from a genetic accident of having women that happen to be the most desired.

    When the Asian Ascent is complete, it's only going to result in them wanting hot white chicks.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Asians seem to have their own preferred “hot chick” phenotype and while it has rounder eyes than typical for the region it’s not exactly a European woman.

  50. Thinking about the Gom Jabbar scene in this Dune: one way it’s superior to Lynch’s version of the scene (and Herbert’s, IIRC) is that it’s Jessica reciting the litany against fear, rather than Paul. It becomes not just a boy’s fear of physical pain but a mother’s fear for him.

    That said, a though occurred to me watching this version of the scene that hadn’t occurred to me before: would the Bene Gesserit really kill the Duke’s only son and heir in his own house? Obviously, the Reverend Mother and her entourage wouldn’t make it off the planet alive if they did that, and other Great Houses would distrust them, so it had to be a bluff, right? But if it was a bluff, and Paul was the Kwisatch Haderach, wouldn’t he have seen it as one?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    , @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    Would the Bene Gesserit really kill a GIANT THUMB IN THEIR EYE? Remember, Paul's supposed to be Paula, and is Kyle because of Jessica's disobedience ("my greatest pupil -- and my greatest disappointment").

  51. Severely off-topic as is my wont, the judge in NY divorce cases must now consider the “best interests of the pet” in awarding custody of pet to a spouse.

    https://www.syracuse.com/state/2021/10/new-ny-law-gives-courts-guidance-on-pet-custody-in-divorce-cases.html

    Appears to be the camel’s nose under the tent for giving animals the status of “persons” at law, but in the meantime let’s consider the following:

    -will the judge have to appoint a pet expert or animal psychologist to assist in making this decision?

    -at some point, will our lunatic legislature require the appointment of an attorney for Fido to ensure representation for the best interests of the pet?

    Remember, only a few years ago, we were informed that gays just wanted the equal right to marry. Now we have boys in skirts buggering 10th grade girls in the loo.
    I did not start out as an alarmist, but I am turning into one.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @additionalMike

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but (however messed up they may be) boys sexually assaulting girls are not probably not gay.

    https://youtu.be/CjGolrmbk9s

  52. @Keith Magnadiodleson
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Yeah but the last great man worm then eventually gave way to rule by tyrannical asskicking chix so we ended up back in the Marvel Universe after all.

    Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @El Dato

    hey man – props to you for not overthinking it

    “rule by tyrannical asskicking chix” uber alles!

  53. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    I think it was later revealed that the Bene Gesserit planned for Jessica’s daughter to produce a son with Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and that son would be the Kwisatz Haderach. He jus arrived one generation earlier than they had planned.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @G. Poulin

    Hard to believe that the Harkonnens had any genes lurking in those bods that would have provided enhanced mental abilities. Them Harkonnens was pretty dumb.

  54. @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    Bad results, relative to past Western norms. Fertility is highest among the least intelligent due to modern societal norms and policies.

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @anon, @Anonymous

    You mean technology from the west has essentially eliminated mass starvation in places like Africa.

  55. Sino-Semitic future overlord race confirmed

  56. @Odin
    @Louis Renault


    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religious leaders, like Jim Jones?
     
    Wikipedia, citing a 'recovered FBI tape', says Jim Jones asked himself, "How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."

    Surely Biden and Fauci couldn't be trying to demonstrate the same thing...

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    The KookAid doesn’t work unless everyone drinks it.

  57. WSJ: Biden’s new payments to illegal immigrants will average over one million dollars per family.

    Who wants to predict what level of crazy is next? I can’t do it.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Polistra

    Families will be turning up in their millions at the border now, yelling, "Separate us!"

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Polistra

    This seems so transparently stupid, and such a political own goal, it is hard to imagine how the Administration could let this happen. If it does happen, it is clear evidence the Administration is owned by bureaucrats and lawyers and no longer representative of the will of the people.

    People on this site tend to see this sort of caving as malicious. I think it is even worse - it is the inexorable logic of myriad rules and regulations put in place over decades that make it impossible for even a Steve Miller to put up any effective defense. It all starts of course with the presumption that an illegal has standing to sue in a US court and has "rights".

  58. anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    Bad results, relative to past Western norms. Fertility is highest among the least intelligent due to modern societal norms and policies.

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @anon, @Anonymous

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Not that hard. Turns out that reaction time correlated well with IQ (less time to react ->higher IQ). Reaction time studies go back to the 1800s. See Dutton’s book on “genius”, search Amazon.com

    The decline in IQ is about 1 point/decade for the West. That’s about 7 points, about half a standard deviation, in the average US life span, and about 15 points since 1870.

    There is serious reason to believe that the West no longer has the genetic base to support industrial society.

  59. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @megabar
    @Louis Renault

    Bad results, relative to past Western norms. Fertility is highest among the least intelligent due to modern societal norms and policies.

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @anon, @Anonymous

    The effects are slow and hidden by technological advances, and thus hard to detect.

    Not that hard. Turns out that reaction time correlated well with IQ (less time to react ->higher IQ). Reaction time studies go back to the 1800s. See Dutton’s book on “genius”, search Amazon.com

    The decline in IQ is about 1 point/decade for the West. That’s about 7 points, about half a standard deviation, in the average US life span, and about 15 points since 1870.

    The rate of basic invention introduction in the West has been dropping since about 1900, and today very few young understand much more than how to ask software for answers. There is serious reason to believe that the West no longer has the genetic base to support industrial society.

  60. @El Dato
    @Dennis Dale

    I'm 50/50 on that.

    But art is like that. If no-one discussed it, that would be sad.

    Meanwhile virus news:

    From "Just the flu" to "Oh fuck, the flu!"

    China reports new human case of highly deadly bird flu in southern province


    Health authorities in China’s Guangdong province have reported a single human case of the H5N6 strain of bird flu in Dongguan city. The virus, which has increasingly jumped to humans this year, kills half of its hosts.

    On Thursday, the Health Commission of Guangdong Province said it considered the risk of H5N6 transmission to be low after a local citizen was found to be infected with the bird flu strain.

    The case was reported in Dongguan, a southern city home to some 10 million people. It is unclear how the person came to contract the virus at this stage.

    The H5N6 subtype of avian influenza is known to be particularly deadly, with more than half of those infected dying from the virus. It is known to cause severe illness in all age groups.
     

    Meanwhile the other "not just the flu"

    Coronavirus A.30 variant ‘efficiently evades’ antibodies induced by Pfizer & AstraZeneca vaccines – lab study


    The A.30 variant of the coronavirus, detected in Angola and Sweden, is highly resistant to antibodies induced by the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines, a new lab study has shown.

    According to the study published in the peer-reviewed journal Cellular & Molecular Immunology this week, the A.30 variant showed improved ability to enter most host cells, including kidney, liver, and lung cells.
     

    Fuu~~

    Evolution: A weak but highly parallel search algorithm with high impact outcomes.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Perverse as I am, I’ve actually been hoping that China would unleash another nightmare like this, and soon. Would shut up many of the right people, for a while at least. Yeah, I’m just naughty like that.

  61. My memory of the series was that dur to the constant genetic arm-race, once some mutation/milestone is archived, it became the new must have baseline strain that mixed into every thing, until the nest bottleneck.

    Leto II confisticate the Sardukar and breed them with Fremens. The resulting Fishspeaker soldiers were so over powering that a mere child could manhandle a Duncan Idaho ghoula, a top fighter a few thousand year before. All the top fighting forces in the later novels had Fishspeaker strain in them.

    Siona was another result of the Leto II’s breeding program, marrying of his sister to the Corrino heir. Her special ability was invisibility from spice granted future vision. In the last two novels, if you are not descended from her or stick around someone who did, you are not viable as a named character.

    By the end of the 6th novel, Miles Teg, a descendants of Siona had just manifest the prescient vision to penetrate such immunity. So it goes on.

  62. Interestingly, Paul intuits that the coming jihad will be for unplanned eugenics motivations, although not to further separate the races but to mix them

    Reeve Lindbergh said her father wasn’t opposed to interracial marriages per se, as long as long as the prospective spouse was “eugenic” in other ways. He retired to Maui, after all, which is not Little Falls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui_County,_Hawaii#Demographics
    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/mauicountyhawaii

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrison_County,_Minnesota#2000_census
    https://datausa.io/profile/geo/morrison-county-mn#demographics

  63. @SunBakedSuburb
    @dcthrowback

    "Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists."

    The Society of Jesus was created in the mid 1500s by the Babylonian faction (Sumer/Nimrod + diaspora Hebrews in Babylon + high finance in medieval Venice + Rothschild Family + House of Orange-Nassau + House of Guelph + House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha + House of Windsor and tributary bloodline families in the USA, UK, and Europe = Babylonian faction) to consolidate control over the Holy Roman Empire. The Black Pope is the head cheese, the top banana. The best exorcists come out of the Jesuits because they produce the most demons.

    Replies: @Odin, @kaganovitch

    Dude, too much sun. Perhaps a hat would be helpful?

    • Agree: El Dato
  64. @Louis Renault
    @megabar

    Who gets to decide what the mixture is, good politicians (like Biden) or good doctors (like Fauci) or good religous leaders, like Jim Jones?

    Replies: @Odin, @megabar, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Who decides are the members of the eugenicist vanguard when they come into power.

    But if you’re already planning on losing, then sure, there’s no point in doing anything.

  65. Diversity driven dysgenics– white trash and their friends of color:


    A 3-year-old died and multiple children were hospitalized after ingesting fentanyl, police say

    How guilty Jazmynn [sic] is is unclear, but she’s had brushes with the law before:

    Indictments handed down in alleged brick, knife assaults

    [MORE]

  66. @rebel yell
    OT: Huma Abedin says she was sexually assaulted by an unnamed US Senator when she was in her twenties:

    The incident allegedly happened after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner attended by other lawmakers when he invited her out for a walk and then up to his apartment for some coffee. After telling Abedin to make herself “comfortable on the couch,” the senator then made his move.

    “In an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa,” she writes in the memoir.
     
    So, a young woman is invited for a walk by a man and then invited to his apartment and further to make herself comfortable on his couch. The young woman should reasonably suspect that a romantic pass is in the offing. The man makes a too abrupt and clumsy pass. The woman makes a clumsy refusal (clumsy, because a more experienced woman like Mae West would have cut him off sooner). After the rejection the man immediately apologizes.

    Why is this sexual assault? Romantic relations between the sexes necessitate that there will be unwanted romantic overtures followed by rejections.

    Not saying it was good to try for the first kiss without more testing of the waters, but that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @mc23, @Alden

    after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner

    The question is whether Joe Biden can account for his whereabouts on the night in question.

    • LOL: Black Athena
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    The question is whether Joe Biden can account for his whereabouts on the night in question.
     
    Joe Biden couldn't account for his whereabouts at breakfast today.
  67. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rob McX

    Persuasion to be homosexual is mandatory.

    Persuasion from being homosexual is forbidden.

    Soon, it won't be persuasion. It will be compulsion.

  68. @Dave Pinsen
    Thinking about the Gom Jabbar scene in this Dune: one way it’s superior to Lynch’s version of the scene (and Herbert’s, IIRC) is that it’s Jessica reciting the litany against fear, rather than Paul. It becomes not just a boy’s fear of physical pain but a mother’s fear for him.

    That said, a though occurred to me watching this version of the scene that hadn’t occurred to me before: would the Bene Gesserit really kill the Duke’s only son and heir in his own house? Obviously, the Reverend Mother and her entourage wouldn’t make it off the planet alive if they did that, and other Great Houses would distrust them, so it had to be a bluff, right? But if it was a bluff, and Paul was the Kwisatch Haderach, wouldn’t he have seen it as one?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J.Ross

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Almost Missouri


    how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?
     
    A very good point! I read Dune and some of the other books ages ago, can't remember if this was ever addressed.

    Replies: @mc23, @The Wobbly Guy

    , @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Spice is not necessary to discover Arrakis. Spice is necessary for travel by teleportation (provided you care about making a left turn at Albuquerque and not arriving inside Albuquerque). The unfilmed deeper background of Dune is Terminator crossed with Foundation, a sprawling star empire domineered by human-hating AI. So they would have stumbled across Arrakis while delivering the mail (and the Harlan Ellison lawsuits).

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Almost Missouri

    They could have gotten to Arrakis at slower speeds, maybe over the course of generations. Spice facilitates Dune’s version of warp speed.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @jamie b.
    @Almost Missouri

    It was possible to fold spice without precognition, but much more dangerous. I seem to recall reading that 1 in 10 ships were lost pre-spice.

    , @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    What I remember is that the native Fremen harvested spice and sold it to some merchants who went to Arrakis to buy it. Then the Emperor of the world sent Duke Leto to Arrakis

    I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anon, @Corn

  69. @Rob McX

    Persuasion to be homosexual is mandatory.

    Persuasion from being homosexual is forbidden.

    Soon, it won’t be persuasion. It will be compulsion.

  70. @Hypnotoad666
    @rebel yell


    after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner
     
    The question is whether Joe Biden can account for his whereabouts on the night in question.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The question is whether Joe Biden can account for his whereabouts on the night in question.

    Joe Biden couldn’t account for his whereabouts at breakfast today.

  71. It looks of its time in the worst way but is it true that there is a subplot where Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, instead of killing Dr Yueh’s wife, turns her into a huge latex-clad human-handed callback to the Denis Villeneuve film Enemy? Who drinks milk from a bowl just to underline the Frankensteinianity? Emerging middle position (between “not Scottish” and “my life is so sad, and film nowadays is so destroyed, that this actually looks acceptable to me”) that Denis actually had some interesting and helpful ideas, and even filmed them, but then he cut them.

  72. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    A very good point! I read Dune and some of the other books ages ago, can’t remember if this was ever addressed.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Lurker

    In the story Interstellar navigation was possible but it was dangerous and unpredictable before the spice was discovered.

    , @The Wobbly Guy
    @Lurker

    Addressed in one of the sequels(actually prequel).

    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Space_travel

  73. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    Spice is not necessary to discover Arrakis. Spice is necessary for travel by teleportation (provided you care about making a left turn at Albuquerque and not arriving inside Albuquerque). The unfilmed deeper background of Dune is Terminator crossed with Foundation, a sprawling star empire domineered by human-hating AI. So they would have stumbled across Arrakis while delivering the mail (and the Harlan Ellison lawsuits).

  74. @Dave Pinsen
    Thinking about the Gom Jabbar scene in this Dune: one way it’s superior to Lynch’s version of the scene (and Herbert’s, IIRC) is that it’s Jessica reciting the litany against fear, rather than Paul. It becomes not just a boy’s fear of physical pain but a mother’s fear for him.

    That said, a though occurred to me watching this version of the scene that hadn’t occurred to me before: would the Bene Gesserit really kill the Duke’s only son and heir in his own house? Obviously, the Reverend Mother and her entourage wouldn’t make it off the planet alive if they did that, and other Great Houses would distrust them, so it had to be a bluff, right? But if it was a bluff, and Paul was the Kwisatch Haderach, wouldn’t he have seen it as one?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @J.Ross

    Would the Bene Gesserit really kill a GIANT THUMB IN THEIR EYE? Remember, Paul’s supposed to be Paula, and is Kyle because of Jessica’s disobedience (“my greatest pupil — and my greatest disappointment”).

  75. Ugh, site ate my first comment.

    I feel about Dune as i feel about the new Foundation (which seems well produced and visually impressive). I read these books as a child. Back when i used to play fake sick to stay home and read a book. Rather than today, when i fake sick to be hungover. I don’t remember enough of the details to care about the movies.

    Steve, i appreaciate you saying you’d read the book and the move is a fair representation. Good enough for me.

  76. @rebel yell
    OT: Huma Abedin says she was sexually assaulted by an unnamed US Senator when she was in her twenties:

    The incident allegedly happened after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner attended by other lawmakers when he invited her out for a walk and then up to his apartment for some coffee. After telling Abedin to make herself “comfortable on the couch,” the senator then made his move.

    “In an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa,” she writes in the memoir.
     
    So, a young woman is invited for a walk by a man and then invited to his apartment and further to make herself comfortable on his couch. The young woman should reasonably suspect that a romantic pass is in the offing. The man makes a too abrupt and clumsy pass. The woman makes a clumsy refusal (clumsy, because a more experienced woman like Mae West would have cut him off sooner). After the rejection the man immediately apologizes.

    Why is this sexual assault? Romantic relations between the sexes necessitate that there will be unwanted romantic overtures followed by rejections.

    Not saying it was good to try for the first kiss without more testing of the waters, but that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @mc23, @Alden

    At least her husband had the decency to first show her a picture on his phone.

  77. @Lurker
    @Almost Missouri


    how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?
     
    A very good point! I read Dune and some of the other books ages ago, can't remember if this was ever addressed.

    Replies: @mc23, @The Wobbly Guy

    In the story Interstellar navigation was possible but it was dangerous and unpredictable before the spice was discovered.

  78. @obwandiyag
    @Steve Sailer

    Does somebody actually care about this crap.

    Hey, the Mlookymlooky needed Grand Poohbah Mildred's spawn to be a fish, but it, using its Mlookymlooky-derived prestidigitalization aptitudes, chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Wade Hampton, @Technite78

    I look forward to your next comment about golf architecture.

  79. This man is running for Congress in Washington State.

    Vote for him.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Why? People who talk about Biden "stealing the election" are morons. Trump lost because he is a corrupt blowhard who alienated white educated people. Trump was a bad candidate, who managed to barely beat the most dislikable candidate in history in 2016 and then lost in a landslide to an enfeebled old man.

    Trump does not appeal to real Americans (i.e. WASPs), if anything Trump is actually more attractive to low IQ blacks and immigrants than standard Democrats are. A coalition of white opiate addicts, backwards Southern evangelicals, attention seeking blacks and Latinos grateful for their Trump check handout somehow doesn't seem like much of a bright future.

    It is sad how right wing populism is turning into essentially conservative Pol Pot style "kill the smart people." You see the same thing in Hungary and Russia. The cult of stupidity and authenticity, where for authenticity read semi-literate. This is of course why real conservatives have always, rightly, insisted that the peasants and low born know their place.

  80. @Lurker
    @Almost Missouri


    how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?
     
    A very good point! I read Dune and some of the other books ages ago, can't remember if this was ever addressed.

    Replies: @mc23, @The Wobbly Guy

    Addressed in one of the sequels(actually prequel).

    https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Space_travel

  81. @Expletive Deleted
    Fertility clinic doctors like Philip Peven, Cecil Byran Jacobson, Jan Karbaat, Bertold Wiesner (and his neuro colleague Derek Richter), Michael Kiken, Bernard Norman Barwin and Morris Wortman.

    Using your own juice saves a shedload of tedious paperwork, I guess. I wonder what else these good fellows, apart from probably Karbaat and maybe Richter have in common? They obviously have strong views on the preferred mixture.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Using your own juice saves a shedload of tedious paperwork, I guess. I wonder what else these good fellows, apart from probably Karbaat and maybe Richter have in common? They obviously have strong views on the preferred mixture.

    Cecil Jacobson was a classic Scandinavian Mormon Utahn. Customers Families were in a poor position to complain, since he gave them what they paid for, eugenic sperm. (The one couple who were expecting the husband’s semen were on stronger footing.) It’s silly to protest unethical behavior in an industry that is unethical by definition.

    The -son suggests Jacobson was Swedish, but no, his great-grandfather came from Denmark:

    http://www.anusha.com/pafg462.htm#12547

    The Danes are the world leaders in exporting human sperm. Which means there are countless uægte kærlighedsbørn crawling the planet. That and the invention of the “sex change” are blots on an otherwise admirable national record.

    Mormons of other blood are guilty, as well:

    Report: Utah kidnapper is woman’s father due to semen switch

    Was Your Child Fathered by Thomas Lippert?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember one of those Drs who used his own sperm. He was noticed because he was a regular church goer. About 15 years after he started using his own sperm people in his church noticed all those kids who looked like him.

    Being aDr he gave his kids intelligence But unfortunately for his girls, he looked just like Harvey Weinstein. Not just obese but very broad shoulders rib cage and pelvis. And a woman with that heredity can’t starve herself into normal weight.

    I can’t see a legal or ethical problem. Dr sells and inserts sperm. His or from a sperm bank what’s the difference? Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar

  82. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    They could have gotten to Arrakis at slower speeds, maybe over the course of generations. Spice facilitates Dune’s version of warp speed.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Dave Pinsen

    Or maybe humans started from Arrakis.

  83. • Replies: @El Dato
    @Polistra

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stankey


    On April 30, 2021, AT&T announced that a nonbinding shareholder vote had rejected AT&T's executive compensation proposal by a slight majority. This was after several AT&T executives, including Stankey and Jason Kilar, gained significant stock awards in 2020 despite the COVID-19 pandemic, massive layoffs, poor service and subscriber results, continued subscriber losses, and middling stock returns.
     
    If AT&T weren't financed by NSA funbux, the situation would be dire.
    , @Odin
    @Polistra


    AT&T tells its white staff they are racist, asks them to confess their 'white privilege'...as part of re-education program by CEO John Stankey
     
    Larry Fink / BlackRock got to him?

    youtu.be/CjQ5TdUVvN0?t=1
  84. Off topic

    PETA,one of the many animal worshipping non profit parasites demands that baseball teams and stadiums stop using the offensive sexist and speciesist term bull pen. I’m sure teams and stadium management will cave and issuing an obsequious groveling apology to all the bulls traumatized by the offensive term bull pen.

    Unemployed? Unemployable? hitting 40 and mom and dad refuse to support you any more? Create some ridiculous cause like Save the Cockroaches or bedbugs or lice. Beg borrow or steal \$500. Form a non profit charitable corporation in Delaware Hire a commission grant writer. And give yourself a200 K a year salary company car company credit cards and full bnefits

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    It was possible to fold spice without precognition, but much more dangerous. I seem to recall reading that 1 in 10 ships were lost pre-spice.

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @Expletive Deleted


    Using your own juice saves a shedload of tedious paperwork, I guess. I wonder what else these good fellows, apart from probably Karbaat and maybe Richter have in common? They obviously have strong views on the preferred mixture.
     
    Cecil Jacobson was a classic Scandinavian Mormon Utahn. Customers Families were in a poor position to complain, since he gave them what they paid for, eugenic sperm. (The one couple who were expecting the husband's semen were on stronger footing.) It's silly to protest unethical behavior in an industry that is unethical by definition.

    The -son suggests Jacobson was Swedish, but no, his great-grandfather came from Denmark:

    http://www.anusha.com/pafg462.htm#12547

    The Danes are the world leaders in exporting human sperm. Which means there are countless uægte kærlighedsbørn crawling the planet. That and the invention of the "sex change" are blots on an otherwise admirable national record.

    Mormons of other blood are guilty, as well:


    Report: Utah kidnapper is woman's father due to semen switch

    Was Your Child Fathered by Thomas Lippert?

    Replies: @Alden

    I remember one of those Drs who used his own sperm. He was noticed because he was a regular church goer. About 15 years after he started using his own sperm people in his church noticed all those kids who looked like him.

    Being aDr he gave his kids intelligence But unfortunately for his girls, he looked just like Harvey Weinstein. Not just obese but very broad shoulders rib cage and pelvis. And a woman with that heredity can’t starve herself into normal weight.

    I can’t see a legal or ethical problem. Dr sells and inserts sperm. His or from a sperm bank what’s the difference? Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Alden

    Your kid could have a lot of unknown half-siblings in the same area, even the same social group from friends' recommendations of the doctor.

    Spice is nice, but incest is best.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.
     
    A huge difference is that bull semen is never sold without a name and a bloodline attached. You'd think human children deserve treatment at least as good as calves.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

  87. @Almost Missouri
    @Dave Pinsen

    There are other plot holes. The big one, IMHO, is how did anyone get to Arrakis to discover Spice, when spice is necessary to travel to Arrakis?

    Ultimately, the story is just there to set up awesome scenes rather than to make sense.

    BTW, just saw it. I thought it was very good, despite the flaws, many of which were already described in these pages.

    Replies: @Lurker, @J.Ross, @Dave Pinsen, @jamie b., @Alden

    What I remember is that the native Fremen harvested spice and sold it to some merchants who went to Arrakis to buy it. Then the Emperor of the world sent Duke Leto to Arrakis

    I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Alden

    That was his son.

    , @Anon
    @Alden

    “ I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛”

    😂😂 I read them as a teen cause my brothers were reading them, but never got hooked and now only vaguely remember the story. But I do remember attempting the much hyped “God Emperor ofDune” and simply not understanding a big fat worm doing philosophy.

    , @Corn
    @Alden

    I get you there. I read the Dune series. My memory is hazy because it’s been over 25 years but I remember thinking “First book-good, second book-ok, every book after that- way too out there”.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  88. @rebel yell
    OT: Huma Abedin says she was sexually assaulted by an unnamed US Senator when she was in her twenties:

    The incident allegedly happened after she met the mysterious senator at a Washington dinner attended by other lawmakers when he invited her out for a walk and then up to his apartment for some coffee. After telling Abedin to make herself “comfortable on the couch,” the senator then made his move.

    “In an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa,” she writes in the memoir.
     
    So, a young woman is invited for a walk by a man and then invited to his apartment and further to make herself comfortable on his couch. The young woman should reasonably suspect that a romantic pass is in the offing. The man makes a too abrupt and clumsy pass. The woman makes a clumsy refusal (clumsy, because a more experienced woman like Mae West would have cut him off sooner). After the rejection the man immediately apologizes.

    Why is this sexual assault? Romantic relations between the sexes necessitate that there will be unwanted romantic overtures followed by rejections.

    Not saying it was good to try for the first kiss without more testing of the waters, but that makes him a cad, not a criminal.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @mc23, @Alden

    I can tell you what happened. And it’s happened to most women. Guy is a work acquaintance. They both were at a work related event. They talked OK.fine no alarm They walked together to an area where there was just one couch but no chairs.

    First mild alarm. Never sit on a couch with a man you don’t want to be kissed or pawed by. Always sit on a chair.

    Second and big alarm. Lecher takes off his jacket. Oh s**t. He’s going to make a move. Not again

    Then he grabs and slobbers on her. She shoved him off and and tells him politely to F off politely because at that point she’s a lowly aide and he’s a senator.

    Men are lechers. What’s the big shock and drama about it. Just reject him. Unless he’ gets physical. Then scream like a banshee. When walking with a man you workplace never walk next to the wall. To prevent him backing you into the wall. Never smile or make eye contact. Keep your head down. Don’t look at them. Cubicles are made for lechers. They can come in behind you and breath on your neck. Sometimes slobber. Men are men. Like bad weather, deal with it.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Alden

    Islam has the correct solution for all of these problems.

  89. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    What I remember is that the native Fremen harvested spice and sold it to some merchants who went to Arrakis to buy it. Then the Emperor of the world sent Duke Leto to Arrakis

    I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anon, @Corn

    That was his son.

  90. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - must be nice to have the money to take three or four months off when you have a family. Our Pointless Gestures Correspondent reports:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/28/cop26-activists-head-to-glasgow-via-land-sea-and-in-a-giant-metal-ball


    Arnd Drossel has spent the past three months rolling around inside a 160kg steel ball.

    The German environmental activist left his home in Paderborn on 30 July in the giant contraption resembling a hamster ball that he made with his son.

    Now he is finally approaching Glasgow in time for the UN’s Cop26 climate summit with a collection of environmental promises he has collected from passersby en route.

    “I wanted to show that we are all connected around the world by the promises we make to the environment,” he said as he waited for a ferry in Belfast.

    “When I am walking on a flat surface it feels like walking up a mountain, because of the weight of the ball,” Drossel said. “When I go uphill, I sometimes have to ask people to help me push the ball up, but this also symbolises people growing and working together.”
     

    Wow. He's right! Heavy, man - in every sense.

    Another activist, Dave Erasmus, who along with five colleagues is sailing to Glasgow from Bristol, recording sound samples of whales and other sea creatures along the way, said: “We didn’t want to just do rebellious activism. We didn’t want to just be pleading.

    “We wanted to actually do something that was transformational for ourselves.”

    Neither Erasmus nor the rest of the crew had much sailing experience before setting off. “None of us had actually gone with the wind before but it’s all part of the change that we need to make,” he said. “We need to be making a move back to a world where we’re powered completely in unison with what the biosphere provides us.”
     

    If the biosphere provides 35-foot fibreglass catamarans, can I have one?

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/41f31e2fa275a3a5b0b9a5f11cd1e34f112d23ed/96_0_2336_1402/master/2336.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=eee1fa72c91721e69d2435ab75805901

    (I'd love to know if there's an engine hiding somewhere. The west coast of Scotland in October or at any time is no place to be caught without one)


    Once they reach the summit Erasmus plans to play the sound samples in the corridors of the conference centre. “We’re trying to bring the actual voice of nature to the summit,” he said. “Because if you don’t listen to something, you can’t connect with it.”

    He hopes this will persuade conference officials to dedicate more time to discussing the ocean.
     

    LOL. For some reason I'm reminded of this.

    "Yesterday, I bid farewell to my best friend Travis, who was sailing to China on a raft made from empty soy milk cartons tied together with macrame'd hemp rope."

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato

    “Another activist, Dave Erasmus, who along with five colleagues is sailing to Glasgow from Bristol, recording sound samples of whales along the way, said:
    “We wanted to actually do something that was transformational for ourselves.”

    If memory serves, the real Erasmus, while on a long journey riding on a mule, wrote “Praise of Folly” in his head.

    Now THAT’S actually doing something, THAT’S transformational.

  91. @Polistra
    WSJ: Biden's new payments to illegal immigrants will average over one million dollars per family.

    Who wants to predict what level of crazy is next? I can't do it.

    https://i.ibb.co/9h3gqr7/Screenshot-20211028-200255-Chrome.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/0YMNLzR/Screenshot-20211028-200236-Chrome.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Peter Akuleyev

    Families will be turning up in their millions at the border now, yelling, “Separate us!”

  92. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - must be nice to have the money to take three or four months off when you have a family. Our Pointless Gestures Correspondent reports:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/28/cop26-activists-head-to-glasgow-via-land-sea-and-in-a-giant-metal-ball


    Arnd Drossel has spent the past three months rolling around inside a 160kg steel ball.

    The German environmental activist left his home in Paderborn on 30 July in the giant contraption resembling a hamster ball that he made with his son.

    Now he is finally approaching Glasgow in time for the UN’s Cop26 climate summit with a collection of environmental promises he has collected from passersby en route.

    “I wanted to show that we are all connected around the world by the promises we make to the environment,” he said as he waited for a ferry in Belfast.

    “When I am walking on a flat surface it feels like walking up a mountain, because of the weight of the ball,” Drossel said. “When I go uphill, I sometimes have to ask people to help me push the ball up, but this also symbolises people growing and working together.”
     

    Wow. He's right! Heavy, man - in every sense.

    Another activist, Dave Erasmus, who along with five colleagues is sailing to Glasgow from Bristol, recording sound samples of whales and other sea creatures along the way, said: “We didn’t want to just do rebellious activism. We didn’t want to just be pleading.

    “We wanted to actually do something that was transformational for ourselves.”

    Neither Erasmus nor the rest of the crew had much sailing experience before setting off. “None of us had actually gone with the wind before but it’s all part of the change that we need to make,” he said. “We need to be making a move back to a world where we’re powered completely in unison with what the biosphere provides us.”
     

    If the biosphere provides 35-foot fibreglass catamarans, can I have one?

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/41f31e2fa275a3a5b0b9a5f11cd1e34f112d23ed/96_0_2336_1402/master/2336.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=eee1fa72c91721e69d2435ab75805901

    (I'd love to know if there's an engine hiding somewhere. The west coast of Scotland in October or at any time is no place to be caught without one)


    Once they reach the summit Erasmus plans to play the sound samples in the corridors of the conference centre. “We’re trying to bring the actual voice of nature to the summit,” he said. “Because if you don’t listen to something, you can’t connect with it.”

    He hopes this will persuade conference officials to dedicate more time to discussing the ocean.
     

    LOL. For some reason I'm reminded of this.

    "Yesterday, I bid farewell to my best friend Travis, who was sailing to China on a raft made from empty soy milk cartons tied together with macrame'd hemp rope."

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @El Dato

    The real deal:

    Sailing Seven Seas. Siberian Guys Circumnavigated the Globe in a Catamaran | RT Documentary

    Includes repairing the tubes on which the cat is built on the fly, evading pirates and more.

  93. @Keith Magnadiodleson
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Yeah but the last great man worm then eventually gave way to rule by tyrannical asskicking chix so we ended up back in the Marvel Universe after all.

    Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @El Dato

    Are you talking about the Trout Karens or the Honored Matres?

  94. I thought Dune was just awful. Boring, boring, boring–when was it going to end? Why was some youth who was supposed to be proving his manhood having adventures with his mom along? Talk about a helicopter parent! Gee, Mom, stay home and leave me alone. The only interesting actor was the guy who played Idaho Potato, or whatever his name was–and then he had only a couple of scenes and then got killed. I had hoped he would be the Han Solo of the movie, but not a chance. The father was OK, too, but he also got killed–by that big, fat guy from the Planet of the Harvey Weinsteins. And speaking of planets, nothing more boring than a planet made entirely of beige sand. How did the people who lived there eat? How did they build that huge city when it was so hot that if you went outside in the daytime, you’d die? The space ships looked like leftover stuff from Star Wars bloated up and painted dark gray. And please spare us the CGI automatons.

    I missed the eugenics theme. Was that what the old nun played by Charlotte Rampling was supposed to be doing? All that eugenics, and you end up with a twerp like Timothee Chalamet!

    I just didn’t get the point. There was no story that I could figure out, except that Paul (Chalamet) survived a lot of bad stuff and presumably got to marry his Fremen girlfriend–who I actually thought was very pretty, contra everyone else here. The dream sequences were excruciating, making a long, dull movie even longer and duller. I guess Paul was supposed to be a Christ-figure (“the one”), but to what end? Who was the “Emperor”? Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies, which told real, archetypal stories with archetypal characters–and told those stories simply and without bloat.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Charlotte Allen

    Seeing movies through the lens of Star Wars ruins everything.

    It's like comparing literary works to Harry Potter potboilers.


    Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies
     
    I suppose that's because Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking, whereas Dune comes from the french art cinema side.

    Michael McCaffrey: ‘Dune’ is a visual marvel but ultimately it is a rather barren movie devoid of drama

    Interestingly, that was said of "2001". Still a good movie, although in a remake they would try to kill off HAL because of persistent nonwoke remarks at the job and his pervasive "white attitude" of doing the work, and this to perfection.

    Le résumé:


    Readers of the book will follow the action and may appreciate the film’s staggeringly sumptuous cinematography, but neophytes to the story will be left completely dumbfounded.

    ‘Dune’, Frank Herbert’s classic sci-fi novel, has long been deemed “unfilmable,” and depending on your perspective regarding director Denis Villeneuve’s new ambitious big budget adaptation, that label may very well still apply.
     

    Might work as anime (like "Mobile Suit Gundam"). Animation makes it easier to suspend outrageous disbelief (like, how do sandworms work?)

    https://i.postimg.cc/pXVbDsG4/Dune-Cover.jpg

    Apparently there was some kind of problem with the movie poster:

    Daily Mail scrubs fake claim black actress was removed from Dune posters in China, but other MSM outlets still run with it

    So apparently it's bad information, because both the poster WITH and WITHOUT Lyette Kynes were used in China. OTOH, there actually is a black-free poster. The gripping hand is, why would there be a poster not showing the most important person on Arrakis, the local representative of the Emperor and the spiritual guide to Fremen?


    One of the characters in Denis Villeneuve’s fresh adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel ‘Dune’ is played by black British actress Sharon Duncan-Brewster. If you read the British press, you may know how her images were supposedly purged from promotional materials in China, or something like that.

    The narrative boils down to a claim that film producers in Hollywood made a poster specifically for the Chinese market, which excludes Duncan-Brewster’s character and features instead another one played by Taiwanese actor Chang Chen. The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.
     

    Chinese audiences: "YES"

    Maybe a 100% neutral poster would be best

    https://i.postimg.cc/gk4LYcB5/SUNNY-ARRAKIS.png

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen, @Polistra, @Twinkie

    , @Barbarossa
    @Charlotte Allen

    George Lucas completely ripped off Dune to make Star Wars. Even if you didn't like the movie, read the book. It's excellent.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

  95. @SafeNow
    Just as elite breeding can be a mixed blessing, so can elite, forced learning. William James Sidis was raised by his Jewish (uh oh) M.D.(uh oh) parents to be, like, really really smart. He was reading The NY Times (uh oh) at age 18 months. Entered Harvard (uh oh) at age 11 (one more uh oh). A math and verbal prodigy. IQ 250, the highest ever. But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Sidis was a professor of chemistry at Rice U. as a teenager, along with Julian Huxley.

    He was a huge nerd and more or less founded the nerd hobby of knowing everything there is to know about urban transit systems.

    The other famous youth prodigy of the era was Norbert Weiner who went on to have a pretty good career, although he had some problems too.

    • Replies: @gc
    @Steve Sailer

    Do you mean Norbert Wiener? That guy was a brilliant mathematician. A pretty good career is if you have 15 publications.

  96. The SPLC describes “eugenics” as “the ‘science’ of breeding superior humans discredited by various Nazi atrocities” and attacks any Gentile effort that could conceivably have a positive, that is to say, eugenic, impact–for example, ending birthright citizenship.

    If you search the word “Nazi” on the SPLC website, you get 3141 hits. If you search the word “Bolshevik” you get 28 hits. So it’s not surprising that the Bolsheviks’ dysgenic practice of murdering the “intelligents” with their children receives no condemnation at all from the SPLC. Also, the SPLC says the term Judeo-Bolshevik is an antisemitic canard.

  97. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    What I remember is that the native Fremen harvested spice and sold it to some merchants who went to Arrakis to buy it. Then the Emperor of the world sent Duke Leto to Arrakis

    I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anon, @Corn

    “ I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛”

    😂😂 I read them as a teen cause my brothers were reading them, but never got hooked and now only vaguely remember the story. But I do remember attempting the much hyped “God Emperor ofDune” and simply not understanding a big fat worm doing philosophy.

  98. @Dave Pinsen
    @Almost Missouri

    They could have gotten to Arrakis at slower speeds, maybe over the course of generations. Spice facilitates Dune’s version of warp speed.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Or maybe humans started from Arrakis.

  99. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember one of those Drs who used his own sperm. He was noticed because he was a regular church goer. About 15 years after he started using his own sperm people in his church noticed all those kids who looked like him.

    Being aDr he gave his kids intelligence But unfortunately for his girls, he looked just like Harvey Weinstein. Not just obese but very broad shoulders rib cage and pelvis. And a woman with that heredity can’t starve herself into normal weight.

    I can’t see a legal or ethical problem. Dr sells and inserts sperm. His or from a sperm bank what’s the difference? Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar

    Your kid could have a lot of unknown half-siblings in the same area, even the same social group from friends’ recommendations of the doctor.

    Spice is nice, but incest is best.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Ralph L

    Same thing happens in the 'hood, only no one mentions it.

  100. @obwandiyag
    @Steve Sailer

    Does somebody actually care about this crap.

    Hey, the Mlookymlooky needed Grand Poohbah Mildred's spawn to be a fish, but it, using its Mlookymlooky-derived prestidigitalization aptitudes, chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Wade Hampton, @Technite78

    …chose to make the spawn a zombie as a gift to the Poobahette who needed a zombie

    Isn’t there a Voodoo blog that you frequent where this would be more appropriate?

  101. @Polistra
    WSJ: Biden's new payments to illegal immigrants will average over one million dollars per family.

    Who wants to predict what level of crazy is next? I can't do it.

    https://i.ibb.co/9h3gqr7/Screenshot-20211028-200255-Chrome.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/0YMNLzR/Screenshot-20211028-200236-Chrome.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Peter Akuleyev

    This seems so transparently stupid, and such a political own goal, it is hard to imagine how the Administration could let this happen. If it does happen, it is clear evidence the Administration is owned by bureaucrats and lawyers and no longer representative of the will of the people.

    People on this site tend to see this sort of caving as malicious. I think it is even worse – it is the inexorable logic of myriad rules and regulations put in place over decades that make it impossible for even a Steve Miller to put up any effective defense. It all starts of course with the presumption that an illegal has standing to sue in a US court and has “rights”.

  102. @JohnnyWalker123
    This man is running for Congress in Washington State.

    https://twitter.com/joekent16jan19/status/1453935159212789766

    Vote for him.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Why? People who talk about Biden “stealing the election” are morons. Trump lost because he is a corrupt blowhard who alienated white educated people. Trump was a bad candidate, who managed to barely beat the most dislikable candidate in history in 2016 and then lost in a landslide to an enfeebled old man.

    Trump does not appeal to real Americans (i.e. WASPs), if anything Trump is actually more attractive to low IQ blacks and immigrants than standard Democrats are. A coalition of white opiate addicts, backwards Southern evangelicals, attention seeking blacks and Latinos grateful for their Trump check handout somehow doesn’t seem like much of a bright future.

    It is sad how right wing populism is turning into essentially conservative Pol Pot style “kill the smart people.” You see the same thing in Hungary and Russia. The cult of stupidity and authenticity, where for authenticity read semi-literate. This is of course why real conservatives have always, rightly, insisted that the peasants and low born know their place.

  103. @Charlotte Allen
    I thought Dune was just awful. Boring, boring, boring--when was it going to end? Why was some youth who was supposed to be proving his manhood having adventures with his mom along? Talk about a helicopter parent! Gee, Mom, stay home and leave me alone. The only interesting actor was the guy who played Idaho Potato, or whatever his name was--and then he had only a couple of scenes and then got killed. I had hoped he would be the Han Solo of the movie, but not a chance. The father was OK, too, but he also got killed--by that big, fat guy from the Planet of the Harvey Weinsteins. And speaking of planets, nothing more boring than a planet made entirely of beige sand. How did the people who lived there eat? How did they build that huge city when it was so hot that if you went outside in the daytime, you'd die? The space ships looked like leftover stuff from Star Wars bloated up and painted dark gray. And please spare us the CGI automatons.

    I missed the eugenics theme. Was that what the old nun played by Charlotte Rampling was supposed to be doing? All that eugenics, and you end up with a twerp like Timothee Chalamet!

    I just didn't get the point. There was no story that I could figure out, except that Paul (Chalamet) survived a lot of bad stuff and presumably got to marry his Fremen girlfriend--who I actually thought was very pretty, contra everyone else here. The dream sequences were excruciating, making a long, dull movie even longer and duller. I guess Paul was supposed to be a Christ-figure ("the one"), but to what end? Who was the "Emperor"? Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies, which told real, archetypal stories with archetypal characters--and told those stories simply and without bloat.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Barbarossa

    Seeing movies through the lens of Star Wars ruins everything.

    It’s like comparing literary works to Harry Potter potboilers.

    Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies

    I suppose that’s because Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking, whereas Dune comes from the french art cinema side.

    Michael McCaffrey: ‘Dune’ is a visual marvel but ultimately it is a rather barren movie devoid of drama

    Interestingly, that was said of “2001”. Still a good movie, although in a remake they would try to kill off HAL because of persistent nonwoke remarks at the job and his pervasive “white attitude” of doing the work, and this to perfection.

    Le résumé:

    Readers of the book will follow the action and may appreciate the film’s staggeringly sumptuous cinematography, but neophytes to the story will be left completely dumbfounded.

    ‘Dune’, Frank Herbert’s classic sci-fi novel, has long been deemed “unfilmable,” and depending on your perspective regarding director Denis Villeneuve’s new ambitious big budget adaptation, that label may very well still apply.

    Might work as anime (like “Mobile Suit Gundam”). Animation makes it easier to suspend outrageous disbelief (like, how do sandworms work?)

    Apparently there was some kind of problem with the movie poster:

    Daily Mail scrubs fake claim black actress was removed from Dune posters in China, but other MSM outlets still run with it

    So apparently it’s bad information, because both the poster WITH and WITHOUT Lyette Kynes were used in China. OTOH, there actually is a black-free poster. The gripping hand is, why would there be a poster not showing the most important person on Arrakis, the local representative of the Emperor and the spiritual guide to Fremen?

    One of the characters in Denis Villeneuve’s fresh adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel ‘Dune’ is played by black British actress Sharon Duncan-Brewster. If you read the British press, you may know how her images were supposedly purged from promotional materials in China, or something like that.

    The narrative boils down to a claim that film producers in Hollywood made a poster specifically for the Chinese market, which excludes Duncan-Brewster’s character and features instead another one played by Taiwanese actor Chang Chen. The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.

    Chinese audiences: “YES”

    Maybe a 100% neutral poster would be best

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @El Dato

    Say what you will about the first two Star Wars movies, they told clear stories with clearly defined characters and a much better score than that of the blasting, thumping Dune. Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work. 2001 worked because, even though its narrative was disjointed and its ending overly arty and quite mystifying, it was actually broken up into several discrete stories that had distinct plots.

    Dune struck me as a movie designed strictly for fans of the books, who could then watch Villeneuve's interpretation of the books and play it against their own. For someone like me who's never read a single Dune book, it was just plain dull and incomprehensible. Of course I wanted Paul and his mother to survive, but I never felt especially invested in them or anyone else in the movie. I had no idea, for example, why Dune's father and mother weren't married--does marriage not exist on their planet? And Arrakis surely must be the most boring planet in the known universe.

    My final question: What's with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real. The difference between seeing an old movie with actual built sets and live extras--or even a fairly recent movie like Mel Gibson's Apocalypto featuring built sets and live extras--is like that between night and day. CGI worked in the Lord of the Ring movies because it never dominated the live actors and the strong story line, but it's been a disaster ever since. It's lifeless. It looks like cost-cutting.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Polistra
    @El Dato



    "The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color."
     
    That's rich, and indicative of just how thick you can trowel it on when your audience is thoroughly brainwashed. Why, of course! It is well known that all POCs are united in eternal solidarity against white supremacy, and in love and adulation for the Numinous Ones. Chinese people, being PoCs, love negroes with a passionate intensity and are even now looking for ways to shoehorn a few hundred million of them into their very large and spacious country.
    , @Twinkie
    @El Dato


    Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking
     
    That’s an insult to Kurosawa. Star Wars is a cartoon.
  104. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/Y8L0YMH/Screenshot-20211029-015428-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/3BGDRbn/Screenshot-20211029-015645-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Odin

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stankey

    On April 30, 2021, AT&T announced that a nonbinding shareholder vote had rejected AT&T’s executive compensation proposal by a slight majority. This was after several AT&T executives, including Stankey and Jason Kilar, gained significant stock awards in 2020 despite the COVID-19 pandemic, massive layoffs, poor service and subscriber results, continued subscriber losses, and middling stock returns.

    If AT&T weren’t financed by NSA funbux, the situation would be dire.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  105. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    What I remember is that the native Fremen harvested spice and sold it to some merchants who went to Arrakis to buy it. Then the Emperor of the world sent Duke Leto to Arrakis

    I stopped reading thee books when Paul turned into a spice worm. Somehow I can’t deal with a worm hero. 🐛

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anon, @Corn

    I get you there. I read the Dune series. My memory is hazy because it’s been over 25 years but I remember thinking “First book-good, second book-ok, every book after that- way too out there”.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Corn

    First four were worth reading, IMO; last two, not so much, but one includes a moving reminiscence about Herbert caring for his dying wife.

  106. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Odin

    "House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus"

    Basically the same thing. As is the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and the House of Windsor: Germans carrying the Babylonian gene through intermarriage with Jewish banksters.

    Replies: @Odin

    “House of St. Nicholas + House of Santa Claus”

    Basically the same thing

    Yes: that was my point.

    At any rate, still on tenterhooks for the citation(s).

  107. @Wilkey
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Wasn’t Jessica the daughter of Baron Harkonnen? So they wanted to create the Kwisatz Haderach with a little incest and a double dose of Harkonnen DNA?

    Replies: @p4nc4k3s Pl34s3

    Feyd was the son of Abulurd Harkonnen, the Baron’s half-brother.

  108. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dennis Dale

    "while talking about work on the level of boy's adventure tales"

    What feeds the imagination of boys and men is critical, especially now. Story and imagination create civilizations. To be of any use you'll have to look beyond the bounds of your short life.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    You’re right. Forgive the outburst. But I’ll be looking elsewhere. Dune was wonderful when I was a boy and had no idea of the supposed import of it all. Obviously great work, I’m just at that Theodore Adorno stage; paraphrasing him: all fantasy after Floyd is barbaric.

    But you’ll never get me to accept the importance of Star Ship Troopers. Don’t get me started on that piece of…

  109. @Altai

    Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.
     
    Of course, this is always the after logic of the conqueror. Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East. But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it's cycles and survived. The derert raiders brought nothing but the will to conquer, which is a circular logic as once they had conquered the civilisation they set about running it more or less the same way and sought to become decadent.

    Societies always go through cycles, the problems are when an enemy exists that can threaten it during a vulnerable period.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Rahan, @pyrrhus

    But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it’s cycles and survived.

    Not necessarily. It could imploded in a Bronze Age style mega-collapse, toward a version of which the Aztec had been drifting already before the Spaniards. Sometimes civilizations do kill themselves from the inside through accumulation of systemic entropy coupled with soaring solipsism.

  110. @El Dato
    @Charlotte Allen

    Seeing movies through the lens of Star Wars ruins everything.

    It's like comparing literary works to Harry Potter potboilers.


    Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies
     
    I suppose that's because Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking, whereas Dune comes from the french art cinema side.

    Michael McCaffrey: ‘Dune’ is a visual marvel but ultimately it is a rather barren movie devoid of drama

    Interestingly, that was said of "2001". Still a good movie, although in a remake they would try to kill off HAL because of persistent nonwoke remarks at the job and his pervasive "white attitude" of doing the work, and this to perfection.

    Le résumé:


    Readers of the book will follow the action and may appreciate the film’s staggeringly sumptuous cinematography, but neophytes to the story will be left completely dumbfounded.

    ‘Dune’, Frank Herbert’s classic sci-fi novel, has long been deemed “unfilmable,” and depending on your perspective regarding director Denis Villeneuve’s new ambitious big budget adaptation, that label may very well still apply.
     

    Might work as anime (like "Mobile Suit Gundam"). Animation makes it easier to suspend outrageous disbelief (like, how do sandworms work?)

    https://i.postimg.cc/pXVbDsG4/Dune-Cover.jpg

    Apparently there was some kind of problem with the movie poster:

    Daily Mail scrubs fake claim black actress was removed from Dune posters in China, but other MSM outlets still run with it

    So apparently it's bad information, because both the poster WITH and WITHOUT Lyette Kynes were used in China. OTOH, there actually is a black-free poster. The gripping hand is, why would there be a poster not showing the most important person on Arrakis, the local representative of the Emperor and the spiritual guide to Fremen?


    One of the characters in Denis Villeneuve’s fresh adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel ‘Dune’ is played by black British actress Sharon Duncan-Brewster. If you read the British press, you may know how her images were supposedly purged from promotional materials in China, or something like that.

    The narrative boils down to a claim that film producers in Hollywood made a poster specifically for the Chinese market, which excludes Duncan-Brewster’s character and features instead another one played by Taiwanese actor Chang Chen. The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.
     

    Chinese audiences: "YES"

    Maybe a 100% neutral poster would be best

    https://i.postimg.cc/gk4LYcB5/SUNNY-ARRAKIS.png

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen, @Polistra, @Twinkie

    Say what you will about the first two Star Wars movies, they told clear stories with clearly defined characters and a much better score than that of the blasting, thumping Dune. Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work. 2001 worked because, even though its narrative was disjointed and its ending overly arty and quite mystifying, it was actually broken up into several discrete stories that had distinct plots.

    Dune struck me as a movie designed strictly for fans of the books, who could then watch Villeneuve’s interpretation of the books and play it against their own. For someone like me who’s never read a single Dune book, it was just plain dull and incomprehensible. Of course I wanted Paul and his mother to survive, but I never felt especially invested in them or anyone else in the movie. I had no idea, for example, why Dune’s father and mother weren’t married–does marriage not exist on their planet? And Arrakis surely must be the most boring planet in the known universe.

    My final question: What’s with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real. The difference between seeing an old movie with actual built sets and live extras–or even a fairly recent movie like Mel Gibson’s Apocalypto featuring built sets and live extras–is like that between night and day. CGI worked in the Lord of the Ring movies because it never dominated the live actors and the strong story line, but it’s been a disaster ever since. It’s lifeless. It looks like cost-cutting.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Charlotte Allen


    Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work.
     
    Mass-market movies, most definitely. They exist to make money, and they do this by appealing to the most people. Bergman, Truffaut, Fellini, etc are another matter. More accurately, another time and place.

    John Ford and Alfred Hitchcock were notable for bridging the gap between art and commerce. Compare with Michael Eisner.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dune is similar to 2001 in that the best way to film it is to assume viewers read the book, and the best way to watch it is to have read the book first. That obviates the need for most exposition (though there’s still some, even in 2001).

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Charlotte Allen


    My final question: What’s with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real.
     
    CGI ruined Thomas the Tank Engine, Fireman Sam, and other stop-action classics. (I don't know if it's been used for

    Gumby
     
    or Davey and Goliath, and am afraid to look.) Wallace and Gromit have stuck to their guns, though, bless them.

    Alvin and the Chipmunks are case of CGI helping to ruin a traditional cartoon franchise. (Dressing the boys like street thugs doesn't help, either.) A major problem is that CGI screams "CGI!" Cartoon animation never looked like flip books.

    Peppa Pig looks like traditional animation. She's drawn with CelAction 2D, so that would be "tradigital".

    Series that were born in the CGI world, such as Pocoyo and Tayo, are less obnoxiously so.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

  111. @Alden
    @rebel yell

    I can tell you what happened. And it’s happened to most women. Guy is a work acquaintance. They both were at a work related event. They talked OK.fine no alarm They walked together to an area where there was just one couch but no chairs.

    First mild alarm. Never sit on a couch with a man you don’t want to be kissed or pawed by. Always sit on a chair.

    Second and big alarm. Lecher takes off his jacket. Oh s**t. He’s going to make a move. Not again

    Then he grabs and slobbers on her. She shoved him off and and tells him politely to F off politely because at that point she’s a lowly aide and he’s a senator.

    Men are lechers. What’s the big shock and drama about it. Just reject him. Unless he’ gets physical. Then scream like a banshee. When walking with a man you workplace never walk next to the wall. To prevent him backing you into the wall. Never smile or make eye contact. Keep your head down. Don’t look at them. Cubicles are made for lechers. They can come in behind you and breath on your neck. Sometimes slobber. Men are men. Like bad weather, deal with it.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Islam has the correct solution for all of these problems.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @SafeNow

    Sidis was a professor of chemistry at Rice U. as a teenager, along with Julian Huxley.

    He was a huge nerd and more or less founded the nerd hobby of knowing everything there is to know about urban transit systems.

    The other famous youth prodigy of the era was Norbert Weiner who went on to have a pretty good career, although he had some problems too.

    Replies: @gc

    Do you mean Norbert Wiener? That guy was a brilliant mathematician. A pretty good career is if you have 15 publications.

  113. @El Dato
    @Charlotte Allen

    Seeing movies through the lens of Star Wars ruins everything.

    It's like comparing literary works to Harry Potter potboilers.


    Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies
     
    I suppose that's because Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking, whereas Dune comes from the french art cinema side.

    Michael McCaffrey: ‘Dune’ is a visual marvel but ultimately it is a rather barren movie devoid of drama

    Interestingly, that was said of "2001". Still a good movie, although in a remake they would try to kill off HAL because of persistent nonwoke remarks at the job and his pervasive "white attitude" of doing the work, and this to perfection.

    Le résumé:


    Readers of the book will follow the action and may appreciate the film’s staggeringly sumptuous cinematography, but neophytes to the story will be left completely dumbfounded.

    ‘Dune’, Frank Herbert’s classic sci-fi novel, has long been deemed “unfilmable,” and depending on your perspective regarding director Denis Villeneuve’s new ambitious big budget adaptation, that label may very well still apply.
     

    Might work as anime (like "Mobile Suit Gundam"). Animation makes it easier to suspend outrageous disbelief (like, how do sandworms work?)

    https://i.postimg.cc/pXVbDsG4/Dune-Cover.jpg

    Apparently there was some kind of problem with the movie poster:

    Daily Mail scrubs fake claim black actress was removed from Dune posters in China, but other MSM outlets still run with it

    So apparently it's bad information, because both the poster WITH and WITHOUT Lyette Kynes were used in China. OTOH, there actually is a black-free poster. The gripping hand is, why would there be a poster not showing the most important person on Arrakis, the local representative of the Emperor and the spiritual guide to Fremen?


    One of the characters in Denis Villeneuve’s fresh adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel ‘Dune’ is played by black British actress Sharon Duncan-Brewster. If you read the British press, you may know how her images were supposedly purged from promotional materials in China, or something like that.

    The narrative boils down to a claim that film producers in Hollywood made a poster specifically for the Chinese market, which excludes Duncan-Brewster’s character and features instead another one played by Taiwanese actor Chang Chen. The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.
     

    Chinese audiences: "YES"

    Maybe a 100% neutral poster would be best

    https://i.postimg.cc/gk4LYcB5/SUNNY-ARRAKIS.png

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen, @Polistra, @Twinkie

    “The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.”

    That’s rich, and indicative of just how thick you can trowel it on when your audience is thoroughly brainwashed. Why, of course! It is well known that all POCs are united in eternal solidarity against white supremacy, and in love and adulation for the Numinous Ones. Chinese people, being PoCs, love negroes with a passionate intensity and are even now looking for ways to shoehorn a few hundred million of them into their very large and spacious country.

  114. @Charlotte Allen
    @El Dato

    Say what you will about the first two Star Wars movies, they told clear stories with clearly defined characters and a much better score than that of the blasting, thumping Dune. Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work. 2001 worked because, even though its narrative was disjointed and its ending overly arty and quite mystifying, it was actually broken up into several discrete stories that had distinct plots.

    Dune struck me as a movie designed strictly for fans of the books, who could then watch Villeneuve's interpretation of the books and play it against their own. For someone like me who's never read a single Dune book, it was just plain dull and incomprehensible. Of course I wanted Paul and his mother to survive, but I never felt especially invested in them or anyone else in the movie. I had no idea, for example, why Dune's father and mother weren't married--does marriage not exist on their planet? And Arrakis surely must be the most boring planet in the known universe.

    My final question: What's with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real. The difference between seeing an old movie with actual built sets and live extras--or even a fairly recent movie like Mel Gibson's Apocalypto featuring built sets and live extras--is like that between night and day. CGI worked in the Lord of the Ring movies because it never dominated the live actors and the strong story line, but it's been a disaster ever since. It's lifeless. It looks like cost-cutting.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work.

    Mass-market movies, most definitely. They exist to make money, and they do this by appealing to the most people. Bergman, Truffaut, Fellini, etc are another matter. More accurately, another time and place.

    John Ford and Alfred Hitchcock were notable for bridging the gap between art and commerce. Compare with Michael Eisner.

  115. @Polistra
    https://i.ibb.co/Y8L0YMH/Screenshot-20211029-015428-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/3BGDRbn/Screenshot-20211029-015645-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Odin

    AT&T tells its white staff they are racist, asks them to confess their ‘white privilege’…as part of re-education program by CEO John Stankey

    Larry Fink / BlackRock got to him?

    youtu.be/CjQ5TdUVvN0?t=1

  116. @Altai

    Here was the race consciousness that he had known once as his own terrible purpose […] The race of humans had felt its own dormancy, sensed itself grown stale and knew now only the need to experience turmoil in which the genes would mingle and the strong new mixtures survive.
     
    Of course, this is always the after logic of the conqueror. Herbert was harkening back to the cycles of desert tribes attacking and displacing dynasties in the cities in the Middle East. But, absent those desert raiders, life would have gone on. Society would have gone through it's cycles and survived. The derert raiders brought nothing but the will to conquer, which is a circular logic as once they had conquered the civilisation they set about running it more or less the same way and sought to become decadent.

    Societies always go through cycles, the problems are when an enemy exists that can threaten it during a vulnerable period.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Gabe Ruth, @Rahan, @pyrrhus

    But the real diversity shown in the movie of Dune is that the Fremen appear to be a mix of negroes, asiatics, native Americans, and white European..Pure Hollywood…The novel contains no such characters and indeed we aren’t told anything about the Fremen’s racial characteristics…

  117. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember one of those Drs who used his own sperm. He was noticed because he was a regular church goer. About 15 years after he started using his own sperm people in his church noticed all those kids who looked like him.

    Being aDr he gave his kids intelligence But unfortunately for his girls, he looked just like Harvey Weinstein. Not just obese but very broad shoulders rib cage and pelvis. And a woman with that heredity can’t starve herself into normal weight.

    I can’t see a legal or ethical problem. Dr sells and inserts sperm. His or from a sperm bank what’s the difference? Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Reg Cæsar

    Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.

    A huge difference is that bull semen is never sold without a name and a bloodline attached. You’d think human children deserve treatment at least as good as calves.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Except that the whole point of artificial insemination is that the sperm donor is anonymous so that everyone can pretend that the sperm has come from the woman's husband or, in the case of lesbians, arrived magically so that the lesbian couple can pretend that the child has no biological father and that the two of them are its true parents. It's rather like egg donation and surrogacy in the case of gay men. We are supposed to pretend that the child has no mother, either biological or gestational, but has, rather, magically appeared. Names and bloodlines are anathema to artificial insemination among humans, who merely need assurance that the sperm donor had the requisite high IQ and great physique.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  118. @dcthrowback
    Now the Jesuits work for the CIA & the globalists. The current pope's loyalities are easy to divine (heh) as well.

    Herbert was truly ahead of his time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZZBfMXsUA

    (The whole thing is good. Jesuit stuff w/ Oswald early on, ffwd to 45m for the Obama family revelations. Lattices of coincidence, indeed.)

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753

    Per Wemhoff’s book , Jesuits have been in bed with the CIA since the 50’s. Council Vatican II was their love child.
    https://www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/john-courtney-murray-timelife-and-the-american-proposition

    The famous Jesuit author and Vatican insider, himself no saint, Malachi Martin, reveals a lot about Jesuit intrigues in the books “Keys of This Blood” and The Jesuits”.
    To sum up, Jesuits were and still are the Vatican’s intelligence agency and black ops department, among other things, now co-opted by the CIA/Mossad.
    Early on, many Jesuits joined freemasonry. And a Jesuit, Adam Weisshaupt, was the founder of the Bavarian Illuminatis, which in turn infiltrated freemasonry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

  119. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Farmers market guy sells you stuff he either raised himself or bought from another farmer what’s the difference.
     
    A huge difference is that bull semen is never sold without a name and a bloodline attached. You'd think human children deserve treatment at least as good as calves.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    Except that the whole point of artificial insemination is that the sperm donor is anonymous so that everyone can pretend that the sperm has come from the woman’s husband or, in the case of lesbians, arrived magically so that the lesbian couple can pretend that the child has no biological father and that the two of them are its true parents. It’s rather like egg donation and surrogacy in the case of gay men. We are supposed to pretend that the child has no mother, either biological or gestational, but has, rather, magically appeared. Names and bloodlines are anathema to artificial insemination among humans, who merely need assurance that the sperm donor had the requisite high IQ and great physique.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Charlotte Allen

    CNN:


    David Crosby, sperm donor, responds to death of Melissa Etheridge's son
    By Lisa Respers France
    Fri May 15, 2020

    Legendary singer David Crosby helped fellow singer Melissa Etheridge's son Beckett Cypher be conceived and now Crosby is speaking out about his death.

    Etheridge on Tuesday announced the death of the 21-year-old, who was her son along with her former partner, Julie Cypher.

    "Today I joined the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones to opioid addiction," Etheridge said in a tweeted statement. "My son Beckett, who was just 21, struggled to overcome his addiction and finally succumbed to it today. He will be missed by those who loved him, his family and friends."

    Crosby helped Etheridge and Cypher, who split in 2000, conceive Beckett and their daughter Bailey, 23, via sperm donation and artificial insemination.

    [...]
    In a 2016 interview with "Today," Etheridge said she and Cypher considered using her good friend, actor Brad Pitt, as a donor.

    They decided against it, she said, because Pitt so badly wanted children of his own at the time and they were not looking for an additional parent for their kids.

    "It's one of the reasons why David Crosby and his wife are so perfect — because they already had children," Etheridge said. "They were looking to do this as a gift."
     

    Replies: @Polistra

  120. @El Dato
    @Charlotte Allen

    Seeing movies through the lens of Star Wars ruins everything.

    It's like comparing literary works to Harry Potter potboilers.


    Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies
     
    I suppose that's because Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking, whereas Dune comes from the french art cinema side.

    Michael McCaffrey: ‘Dune’ is a visual marvel but ultimately it is a rather barren movie devoid of drama

    Interestingly, that was said of "2001". Still a good movie, although in a remake they would try to kill off HAL because of persistent nonwoke remarks at the job and his pervasive "white attitude" of doing the work, and this to perfection.

    Le résumé:


    Readers of the book will follow the action and may appreciate the film’s staggeringly sumptuous cinematography, but neophytes to the story will be left completely dumbfounded.

    ‘Dune’, Frank Herbert’s classic sci-fi novel, has long been deemed “unfilmable,” and depending on your perspective regarding director Denis Villeneuve’s new ambitious big budget adaptation, that label may very well still apply.
     

    Might work as anime (like "Mobile Suit Gundam"). Animation makes it easier to suspend outrageous disbelief (like, how do sandworms work?)

    https://i.postimg.cc/pXVbDsG4/Dune-Cover.jpg

    Apparently there was some kind of problem with the movie poster:

    Daily Mail scrubs fake claim black actress was removed from Dune posters in China, but other MSM outlets still run with it

    So apparently it's bad information, because both the poster WITH and WITHOUT Lyette Kynes were used in China. OTOH, there actually is a black-free poster. The gripping hand is, why would there be a poster not showing the most important person on Arrakis, the local representative of the Emperor and the spiritual guide to Fremen?


    One of the characters in Denis Villeneuve’s fresh adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel ‘Dune’ is played by black British actress Sharon Duncan-Brewster. If you read the British press, you may know how her images were supposedly purged from promotional materials in China, or something like that.

    The narrative boils down to a claim that film producers in Hollywood made a poster specifically for the Chinese market, which excludes Duncan-Brewster’s character and features instead another one played by Taiwanese actor Chang Chen. The underlying implication was that greedy Western filmmakers cater to the tastes of biggoted Chinese audiences, who would be discouraged from a movie featuring a person of color.
     

    Chinese audiences: "YES"

    Maybe a 100% neutral poster would be best

    https://i.postimg.cc/gk4LYcB5/SUNNY-ARRAKIS.png

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen, @Polistra, @Twinkie

    Star Wars comes from the Akira Kurosava school of filmmaking

    That’s an insult to Kurosawa. Star Wars is a cartoon.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  121. @Charlotte Allen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Except that the whole point of artificial insemination is that the sperm donor is anonymous so that everyone can pretend that the sperm has come from the woman's husband or, in the case of lesbians, arrived magically so that the lesbian couple can pretend that the child has no biological father and that the two of them are its true parents. It's rather like egg donation and surrogacy in the case of gay men. We are supposed to pretend that the child has no mother, either biological or gestational, but has, rather, magically appeared. Names and bloodlines are anathema to artificial insemination among humans, who merely need assurance that the sperm donor had the requisite high IQ and great physique.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    CNN:

    David Crosby, sperm donor, responds to death of Melissa Etheridge’s son
    By Lisa Respers France
    Fri May 15, 2020

    Legendary singer David Crosby helped fellow singer Melissa Etheridge’s son Beckett Cypher be conceived and now Crosby is speaking out about his death.

    Etheridge on Tuesday announced the death of the 21-year-old, who was her son along with her former partner, Julie Cypher.

    “Today I joined the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones to opioid addiction,” Etheridge said in a tweeted statement. “My son Beckett, who was just 21, struggled to overcome his addiction and finally succumbed to it today. He will be missed by those who loved him, his family and friends.”

    Crosby helped Etheridge and Cypher, who split in 2000, conceive Beckett and their daughter Bailey, 23, via sperm donation and artificial insemination.

    […]
    In a 2016 interview with “Today,” Etheridge said she and Cypher considered using her good friend, actor Brad Pitt, as a donor.

    They decided against it, she said, because Pitt so badly wanted children of his own at the time and they were not looking for an additional parent for their kids.

    “It’s one of the reasons why David Crosby and his wife are so perfect — because they already had children,” Etheridge said. “They were looking to do this as a gift.”

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @MEH 0910

    Opioids continue to stalk the unwary across this great land, much as shots fired keep doing. None of us is responsible; these things just keep happening, entirely at random. What can be done about it all? I'm thinking if Biden can give half a million or more to each illegal immigrant, he should be able to give a couple million to every person who is afflicted by gunshots (from either end of the gun) and certainly to everyone who has been attacked by opioids.

    Berkeley, Stockton, Newark, Compton, and others are showing the way here. When you consider that money is now free, for those of the right racial and/or political persuasion, it seems like the least we can do.

  122. @MEH 0910
    @Charlotte Allen

    CNN:


    David Crosby, sperm donor, responds to death of Melissa Etheridge's son
    By Lisa Respers France
    Fri May 15, 2020

    Legendary singer David Crosby helped fellow singer Melissa Etheridge's son Beckett Cypher be conceived and now Crosby is speaking out about his death.

    Etheridge on Tuesday announced the death of the 21-year-old, who was her son along with her former partner, Julie Cypher.

    "Today I joined the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones to opioid addiction," Etheridge said in a tweeted statement. "My son Beckett, who was just 21, struggled to overcome his addiction and finally succumbed to it today. He will be missed by those who loved him, his family and friends."

    Crosby helped Etheridge and Cypher, who split in 2000, conceive Beckett and their daughter Bailey, 23, via sperm donation and artificial insemination.

    [...]
    In a 2016 interview with "Today," Etheridge said she and Cypher considered using her good friend, actor Brad Pitt, as a donor.

    They decided against it, she said, because Pitt so badly wanted children of his own at the time and they were not looking for an additional parent for their kids.

    "It's one of the reasons why David Crosby and his wife are so perfect — because they already had children," Etheridge said. "They were looking to do this as a gift."
     

    Replies: @Polistra

    Opioids continue to stalk the unwary across this great land, much as shots fired keep doing. None of us is responsible; these things just keep happening, entirely at random. What can be done about it all? I’m thinking if Biden can give half a million or more to each illegal immigrant, he should be able to give a couple million to every person who is afflicted by gunshots (from either end of the gun) and certainly to everyone who has been attacked by opioids.

    Berkeley, Stockton, Newark, Compton, and others are showing the way here. When you consider that money is now free, for those of the right racial and/or political persuasion, it seems like the least we can do.

  123. @Ralph L
    @Alden

    Your kid could have a lot of unknown half-siblings in the same area, even the same social group from friends' recommendations of the doctor.

    Spice is nice, but incest is best.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Same thing happens in the ‘hood, only no one mentions it.

  124. @additionalMike
    Severely off-topic as is my wont, the judge in NY divorce cases must now consider the "best interests of the pet" in awarding custody of pet to a spouse.

    https://www.syracuse.com/state/2021/10/new-ny-law-gives-courts-guidance-on-pet-custody-in-divorce-cases.html

    Appears to be the camel's nose under the tent for giving animals the status of "persons" at law, but in the meantime let's consider the following:

    -will the judge have to appoint a pet expert or animal psychologist to assist in making this decision?

    -at some point, will our lunatic legislature require the appointment of an attorney for Fido to ensure representation for the best interests of the pet?

    Remember, only a few years ago, we were informed that gays just wanted the equal right to marry. Now we have boys in skirts buggering 10th grade girls in the loo.
    I did not start out as an alarmist, but I am turning into one.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but (however messed up they may be) boys sexually assaulting girls are not probably not gay.

  125. @Corn
    @Alden

    I get you there. I read the Dune series. My memory is hazy because it’s been over 25 years but I remember thinking “First book-good, second book-ok, every book after that- way too out there”.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    First four were worth reading, IMO; last two, not so much, but one includes a moving reminiscence about Herbert caring for his dying wife.

    • Thanks: Corn
  126. @Charlotte Allen
    @El Dato

    Say what you will about the first two Star Wars movies, they told clear stories with clearly defined characters and a much better score than that of the blasting, thumping Dune. Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work. 2001 worked because, even though its narrative was disjointed and its ending overly arty and quite mystifying, it was actually broken up into several discrete stories that had distinct plots.

    Dune struck me as a movie designed strictly for fans of the books, who could then watch Villeneuve's interpretation of the books and play it against their own. For someone like me who's never read a single Dune book, it was just plain dull and incomprehensible. Of course I wanted Paul and his mother to survive, but I never felt especially invested in them or anyone else in the movie. I had no idea, for example, why Dune's father and mother weren't married--does marriage not exist on their planet? And Arrakis surely must be the most boring planet in the known universe.

    My final question: What's with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real. The difference between seeing an old movie with actual built sets and live extras--or even a fairly recent movie like Mel Gibson's Apocalypto featuring built sets and live extras--is like that between night and day. CGI worked in the Lord of the Ring movies because it never dominated the live actors and the strong story line, but it's been a disaster ever since. It's lifeless. It looks like cost-cutting.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    Dune is similar to 2001 in that the best way to film it is to assume viewers read the book, and the best way to watch it is to have read the book first. That obviates the need for most exposition (though there’s still some, even in 2001).

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Dave Pinsen

    I've never read the book 2001, but I've seen the movie twice and been enthralled both times. The ending is weird and mystifying, but I'll bet that reading the book doesn't help explain it. Kubrick knew how to tell a story.

    If you need to read the novel before seeing a movie made from it in order to make any sense out of the movie, the movie is a failure. Especially when you have two and a half hours and $165 million, as Villeneuve did. That's plenty of time to get engrossed in the characters, learn what they're all about, and feel the narrative tensions that any good story encompasses. Villeneuve wasted huge amounts of audience time on dream sequences, floating space ships, and shifting sands that he could have used giving us some exposition and back stories.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Barbarossa

  127. @Charlotte Allen
    @El Dato

    Say what you will about the first two Star Wars movies, they told clear stories with clearly defined characters and a much better score than that of the blasting, thumping Dune. Movies are in some sense a childish genre. Everything has to be very explicit in order to work. 2001 worked because, even though its narrative was disjointed and its ending overly arty and quite mystifying, it was actually broken up into several discrete stories that had distinct plots.

    Dune struck me as a movie designed strictly for fans of the books, who could then watch Villeneuve's interpretation of the books and play it against their own. For someone like me who's never read a single Dune book, it was just plain dull and incomprehensible. Of course I wanted Paul and his mother to survive, but I never felt especially invested in them or anyone else in the movie. I had no idea, for example, why Dune's father and mother weren't married--does marriage not exist on their planet? And Arrakis surely must be the most boring planet in the known universe.

    My final question: What's with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real. The difference between seeing an old movie with actual built sets and live extras--or even a fairly recent movie like Mel Gibson's Apocalypto featuring built sets and live extras--is like that between night and day. CGI worked in the Lord of the Ring movies because it never dominated the live actors and the strong story line, but it's been a disaster ever since. It's lifeless. It looks like cost-cutting.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    My final question: What’s with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real.

    CGI ruined Thomas the Tank Engine, Fireman Sam, and other stop-action classics. (I don’t know if it’s been used for

    Gumby

    or Davey and Goliath, and am afraid to look.) Wallace and Gromit have stuck to their guns, though, bless them.

    Alvin and the Chipmunks are case of CGI helping to ruin a traditional cartoon franchise. (Dressing the boys like street thugs doesn’t help, either.) A major problem is that CGI screams “CGI!” Cartoon animation never looked like flip books.

    Peppa Pig looks like traditional animation. She’s drawn with CelAction 2D, so that would be “tradigital”.

    Series that were born in the CGI world, such as Pocoyo and Tayo, are less obnoxiously so.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Some of the Pixar products, such as Toy Story, Ratatouille, and Cars, are quite good. They are helped by their excellent and imaginative stories. But in general, CGI wrecked animation. One of the tragedies of the late 20th century was Disney shutting down its hand-drawn animation department. A wondrous art form simply disappeared.

    I love Nick Park's stuff, but those movies are extremely time-consuming to make, so he doesn't do a lot of them. Early Man, which was just wonderful, was a box-office failure, so his career seems kind of stalled right now.

  128. @SafeNow
    Just as elite breeding can be a mixed blessing, so can elite, forced learning. William James Sidis was raised by his Jewish (uh oh) M.D.(uh oh) parents to be, like, really really smart. He was reading The NY Times (uh oh) at age 18 months. Entered Harvard (uh oh) at age 11 (one more uh oh). A math and verbal prodigy. IQ 250, the highest ever. But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    But the poor guy wound-up working a series of menial jobs.

    By choice. He came to hate publicity and shunned it.

    Quite understandable.

  129. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dune is similar to 2001 in that the best way to film it is to assume viewers read the book, and the best way to watch it is to have read the book first. That obviates the need for most exposition (though there’s still some, even in 2001).

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    I’ve never read the book 2001, but I’ve seen the movie twice and been enthralled both times. The ending is weird and mystifying, but I’ll bet that reading the book doesn’t help explain it. Kubrick knew how to tell a story.

    If you need to read the novel before seeing a movie made from it in order to make any sense out of the movie, the movie is a failure. Especially when you have two and a half hours and \$165 million, as Villeneuve did. That’s plenty of time to get engrossed in the characters, learn what they’re all about, and feel the narrative tensions that any good story encompasses. Villeneuve wasted huge amounts of audience time on dream sequences, floating space ships, and shifting sands that he could have used giving us some exposition and back stories.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Charlotte Allen

    The 2001 book actually does explain the ending.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dune, the book, is great partly because the characters have fully formed depth, with virtually no exposition. You are immersed in that world rather than having it explained to you.

    It's perhaps a nigh impossible thing to bring to the screen.

    I haven't seen the new movie yet, but should catch it next week. My wife has a rule for the kids that they can't watch any movie adaptation until they have seen the book. It helps keeps the movie from forever defining the work.

    I'm holding my wife to her own rule for Dune and she's been enjoying it a lot.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Charlotte Allen

  130. @Reg Cæsar
    @Charlotte Allen


    My final question: What’s with all the CGI? It never looks like anything convincingly real.
     
    CGI ruined Thomas the Tank Engine, Fireman Sam, and other stop-action classics. (I don't know if it's been used for

    Gumby
     
    or Davey and Goliath, and am afraid to look.) Wallace and Gromit have stuck to their guns, though, bless them.

    Alvin and the Chipmunks are case of CGI helping to ruin a traditional cartoon franchise. (Dressing the boys like street thugs doesn't help, either.) A major problem is that CGI screams "CGI!" Cartoon animation never looked like flip books.

    Peppa Pig looks like traditional animation. She's drawn with CelAction 2D, so that would be "tradigital".

    Series that were born in the CGI world, such as Pocoyo and Tayo, are less obnoxiously so.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    Some of the Pixar products, such as Toy Story, Ratatouille, and Cars, are quite good. They are helped by their excellent and imaginative stories. But in general, CGI wrecked animation. One of the tragedies of the late 20th century was Disney shutting down its hand-drawn animation department. A wondrous art form simply disappeared.

    I love Nick Park’s stuff, but those movies are extremely time-consuming to make, so he doesn’t do a lot of them. Early Man, which was just wonderful, was a box-office failure, so his career seems kind of stalled right now.

  131. @Charlotte Allen
    @Dave Pinsen

    I've never read the book 2001, but I've seen the movie twice and been enthralled both times. The ending is weird and mystifying, but I'll bet that reading the book doesn't help explain it. Kubrick knew how to tell a story.

    If you need to read the novel before seeing a movie made from it in order to make any sense out of the movie, the movie is a failure. Especially when you have two and a half hours and $165 million, as Villeneuve did. That's plenty of time to get engrossed in the characters, learn what they're all about, and feel the narrative tensions that any good story encompasses. Villeneuve wasted huge amounts of audience time on dream sequences, floating space ships, and shifting sands that he could have used giving us some exposition and back stories.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Barbarossa

    The 2001 book actually does explain the ending.

  132. @Charlotte Allen
    I thought Dune was just awful. Boring, boring, boring--when was it going to end? Why was some youth who was supposed to be proving his manhood having adventures with his mom along? Talk about a helicopter parent! Gee, Mom, stay home and leave me alone. The only interesting actor was the guy who played Idaho Potato, or whatever his name was--and then he had only a couple of scenes and then got killed. I had hoped he would be the Han Solo of the movie, but not a chance. The father was OK, too, but he also got killed--by that big, fat guy from the Planet of the Harvey Weinsteins. And speaking of planets, nothing more boring than a planet made entirely of beige sand. How did the people who lived there eat? How did they build that huge city when it was so hot that if you went outside in the daytime, you'd die? The space ships looked like leftover stuff from Star Wars bloated up and painted dark gray. And please spare us the CGI automatons.

    I missed the eugenics theme. Was that what the old nun played by Charlotte Rampling was supposed to be doing? All that eugenics, and you end up with a twerp like Timothee Chalamet!

    I just didn't get the point. There was no story that I could figure out, except that Paul (Chalamet) survived a lot of bad stuff and presumably got to marry his Fremen girlfriend--who I actually thought was very pretty, contra everyone else here. The dream sequences were excruciating, making a long, dull movie even longer and duller. I guess Paul was supposed to be a Christ-figure ("the one"), but to what end? Who was the "Emperor"? Dune made me truly appreciate the first two Star Wars movies, which told real, archetypal stories with archetypal characters--and told those stories simply and without bloat.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Barbarossa

    George Lucas completely ripped off Dune to make Star Wars. Even if you didn’t like the movie, read the book. It’s excellent.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Barbarossa

    I'll give it a try--thanks for the recommendation. One thing I have to say, though, is that Lucas was much better at naming his characters than Herbert, whose names for Dune characters generally sound ridiculous. All of the interplanetary "Empire" stuff in Star Wars does sound quite a bit like Dune. Plus the space ships, and even the desert setting. Too bad Villeneuve didn't rip off Lucas in turn, borrowing his talent for using dialogue for exposition, so that you'd know what was going on.

  133. @Charlotte Allen
    @Dave Pinsen

    I've never read the book 2001, but I've seen the movie twice and been enthralled both times. The ending is weird and mystifying, but I'll bet that reading the book doesn't help explain it. Kubrick knew how to tell a story.

    If you need to read the novel before seeing a movie made from it in order to make any sense out of the movie, the movie is a failure. Especially when you have two and a half hours and $165 million, as Villeneuve did. That's plenty of time to get engrossed in the characters, learn what they're all about, and feel the narrative tensions that any good story encompasses. Villeneuve wasted huge amounts of audience time on dream sequences, floating space ships, and shifting sands that he could have used giving us some exposition and back stories.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Barbarossa

    Dune, the book, is great partly because the characters have fully formed depth, with virtually no exposition. You are immersed in that world rather than having it explained to you.

    It’s perhaps a nigh impossible thing to bring to the screen.

    I haven’t seen the new movie yet, but should catch it next week. My wife has a rule for the kids that they can’t watch any movie adaptation until they have seen the book. It helps keeps the movie from forever defining the work.

    I’m holding my wife to her own rule for Dune and she’s been enjoying it a lot.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Barbarossa

    Despite recommendations, I probably wouldn't have read any Austen without first seeing the Garson/Olivier Pride and Prejudice, or Trollope without the 70's TV Palliser series, or Dickens without the Nicholas Nickleby series with the Lynch Paul Atriedes. Don't be too doctrinaire about it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Charlotte Allen
    @Barbarossa

    Your wife's approach to film adaptations of literature sounds very wise--at least if you believe that the work of literature in question has a value of its own. Making your daughters read Louisa May Alcott's Little Women should be a mandatory prerequisite for their seeing Greta Gerwig's appalling Feminism 101 movie adaptation--because Gerwig will ruin Alcott for them (and you) forever if they haven't read the book first. But is it really necessary to slog through Mario Puzo's clumsily written potboiler The Godfather before seeing Coppola's movie? I hope not. And some books are kind of on the line: Is it really necessary to read Boris Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago before seeing the movie? How about Ian Fleming's James Bond novels before seeing their movie adaptations?

    If Herbert could involve you with fully formed complex characters in a completely alien world solely through episodes and dialogue, so should any competent director and screenwriter. Peter Jackson certainly achieved that in Lord of the Rings. We have to understand what Lady Jessica is up to--and have some intimation why--in that scene where she induces her son to make her pass the water at breakfast time. We have to understand that she and Lord Leto (I think that's his name) have completely different destinies for Paul in mind--and why. We have to understand why this is important. We have to see it dawning on various characters why the Empire may be up to no good in sending Leto to Arrakis. We have to get a hint at why the Charlotte Rampling nuns are around and what they're up to. In movies, except for the occasional voiceover, all this must be done by dialogue.

    Reading the book before seeing the movie is good if the purpose is to preserve the book in its literary integrity without its being tainted by the movie's take. But reading the book as your manual for understanding what's going on on the movie screen is a signal that the movie by itself makes no sense.

  134. @Barbarossa
    @Charlotte Allen

    George Lucas completely ripped off Dune to make Star Wars. Even if you didn't like the movie, read the book. It's excellent.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen

    I’ll give it a try–thanks for the recommendation. One thing I have to say, though, is that Lucas was much better at naming his characters than Herbert, whose names for Dune characters generally sound ridiculous. All of the interplanetary “Empire” stuff in Star Wars does sound quite a bit like Dune. Plus the space ships, and even the desert setting. Too bad Villeneuve didn’t rip off Lucas in turn, borrowing his talent for using dialogue for exposition, so that you’d know what was going on.

  135. @Barbarossa
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dune, the book, is great partly because the characters have fully formed depth, with virtually no exposition. You are immersed in that world rather than having it explained to you.

    It's perhaps a nigh impossible thing to bring to the screen.

    I haven't seen the new movie yet, but should catch it next week. My wife has a rule for the kids that they can't watch any movie adaptation until they have seen the book. It helps keeps the movie from forever defining the work.

    I'm holding my wife to her own rule for Dune and she's been enjoying it a lot.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Charlotte Allen

    Despite recommendations, I probably wouldn’t have read any Austen without first seeing the Garson/Olivier Pride and Prejudice, or Trollope without the 70’s TV Palliser series, or Dickens without the Nicholas Nickleby series with the Lynch Paul Atriedes. Don’t be too doctrinaire about it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ralph L

    We're not really too hard nosed about it. Just with books that are really great.

    Sometimes movies can certainly surpass a book or be equally good in an entirely different way.

    I really enjoyed the original Dune book, so it was a good excuse to get my wife to read it! Heh Heh!

  136. @Barbarossa
    @Charlotte Allen

    Dune, the book, is great partly because the characters have fully formed depth, with virtually no exposition. You are immersed in that world rather than having it explained to you.

    It's perhaps a nigh impossible thing to bring to the screen.

    I haven't seen the new movie yet, but should catch it next week. My wife has a rule for the kids that they can't watch any movie adaptation until they have seen the book. It helps keeps the movie from forever defining the work.

    I'm holding my wife to her own rule for Dune and she's been enjoying it a lot.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Charlotte Allen

    Your wife’s approach to film adaptations of literature sounds very wise–at least if you believe that the work of literature in question has a value of its own. Making your daughters read Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women should be a mandatory prerequisite for their seeing Greta Gerwig’s appalling Feminism 101 movie adaptation–because Gerwig will ruin Alcott for them (and you) forever if they haven’t read the book first. But is it really necessary to slog through Mario Puzo’s clumsily written potboiler The Godfather before seeing Coppola’s movie? I hope not. And some books are kind of on the line: Is it really necessary to read Boris Pasternak’s Dr. Zhivago before seeing the movie? How about Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels before seeing their movie adaptations?

    If Herbert could involve you with fully formed complex characters in a completely alien world solely through episodes and dialogue, so should any competent director and screenwriter. Peter Jackson certainly achieved that in Lord of the Rings. We have to understand what Lady Jessica is up to–and have some intimation why–in that scene where she induces her son to make her pass the water at breakfast time. We have to understand that she and Lord Leto (I think that’s his name) have completely different destinies for Paul in mind–and why. We have to understand why this is important. We have to see it dawning on various characters why the Empire may be up to no good in sending Leto to Arrakis. We have to get a hint at why the Charlotte Rampling nuns are around and what they’re up to. In movies, except for the occasional voiceover, all this must be done by dialogue.

    Reading the book before seeing the movie is good if the purpose is to preserve the book in its literary integrity without its being tainted by the movie’s take. But reading the book as your manual for understanding what’s going on on the movie screen is a signal that the movie by itself makes no sense.

  137. Dunes – some background details:
    Before The Matrix, before Star Wars, before Ender’s Game and Neuromancer, there was Dune: winner of the prestigious Hugo and Nebula awards, and widely considered one of the greatest science fiction novels ever written. Almost all toponyms in India which start with SAR or SER or SIR are from Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an Aryan language which is, in fact, a younger form of the old Serbian language, originated in Vinca civilisation. Aryans were proto-Slavics, i.e. ancient Serbs and the name Sardaukar probably came from their name. Other toponyms, e.g. Sard (Sardis) from Lydia and Phrygia also came from the name of Serbs. Phrygians (real name is Brigi(ans)) were Serbs who came from Balkan to Asia Minor. The name of Sardinia also originated from this name. Some of Sea People (“Marines”) were Serdans who came from Asia Minor and have the same genetics as Serbs. They were also the elite Egyptian pharaohs (Ramses) soldiers and poets wrote poems about their courage. ‘Marines’ was the original name in the novel before changed to ‘Sardaukars’. ‘Serdar’ or ‘Sardar’ was until recently a Serbian military title (similar to the ‘duke’) and still is a frequent Serbian and Indian (sur)name.

    The Sardaukar were the elite military force of the Padishah Emperor who served prominently during the Corrino Empire. ‘Shah’ is a derivative of Serbian ‘tsar’. Considering that Sardaukars were elite warriors, they were probably modelled on Serbs who were the elite Roman Empire Illyrian legions which gave dozens of Emperors (Constantine, Diocletian, Justinian, etc). Spartans were also Serbs and it is well known how they were trained to be soldiers. Alexander the Great and his army were Serbs. Some commenters here found that FH modelled his soldiers on Janissaries, who were also Serbs.

    Throat singing, presented in the movie as chanting, is the ancient Serbian style of singing originated in Dinaric Alps. It is still practised in rural areas of this region. In the mountains of the Balkans we find a peculiar type of “old style” singing which can only be compared with the howling of wolfs. The singing can be solo or group singing. If it is done in a group, it has the same polyphonic characteristics as the howling of a wolf pack.

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  139. @Ralph L
    @Barbarossa

    Despite recommendations, I probably wouldn't have read any Austen without first seeing the Garson/Olivier Pride and Prejudice, or Trollope without the 70's TV Palliser series, or Dickens without the Nicholas Nickleby series with the Lynch Paul Atriedes. Don't be too doctrinaire about it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    We’re not really too hard nosed about it. Just with books that are really great.

    Sometimes movies can certainly surpass a book or be equally good in an entirely different way.

    I really enjoyed the original Dune book, so it was a good excuse to get my wife to read it! Heh Heh!

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