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Old Italian laundry detergent commercial from around 2007:

New Chinese laundry detergent commercial from 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0D-ot2tso8

From Murdoch’s News.com.au:

Is this the most racist commercial ever made?
MAY 27, 20164:15PM

THIS Chinese commercial for laundry detergent is being labelled the most racist ad ever made. …

It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.

Who is more likely to keep their countries when this happens:

the Europeans or the East Asians?

I visited London in both 1980 and 1987.

I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, “Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren’t so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I’m from Chicago so I know about these things. Are you sure you’re making the right life decisions?”

According to the Washington Post:

China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

I dunno … Judging from U.N. population forecasts, Europe has a bigger problem.

 
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  1. The Italian ad was uploaded to YouTube back in 2007. Since then, one of these two countries has been hit by wave after wave of African migrants that it cannot, or will not, turn away. Can you guess which country it is?

    Hint: it’s the one with a freaky Argentine Antipope using its airport to bring in Muslim families.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, there was a real, historic anti-pope back in the middle ages.
    , @Percy Gryce

    a freaky Argentine Antipope
     
    Are you implying that Benedict XVI is still pope? Otherwise Francis is merely a bad pope.
  2. You just KNOW that somehow, this will all get blamed on straight white men.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  3. Interesting contrast. I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They’re officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration.....blah, blah, blah blah.

    You're wrong. African immigration to China is a non-starter. It's not something that the Chinese spend even 2 seconds worrying about, unlike Germans or Italians whose minds should be preoccupied with the problem 24x7 if they wish to keep their country for their posterity.
    , @Ivy
    Southwestern China at times had an extreme male-female imbalance during the One Child policy years, hovering around 117/100. They might need to import some females to take the edge off the men so that there aren't the roving brigands that could occur in such cases. Perhaps they could absorb all the Africans left behind in the modern northern migration? Imagine the possibilities.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Chinese Christianity is probably exaggerated (who tend to be the sources on the numbers? the people trying to do the proselytizing in the first place), and China is separated from Africa by a huge ocean and guarded by poverty (relative to Western Europe) and a barebones welfare state.

    There are actually an order of magnitude more Chinese in Africa than the converse.
    , @LibertarianinChina
    There is already a large African community in GuangZhou, and I have been approached twice by pairs of Nigerians in Beijing who were "lost" and seeking "money for a cab to the embassy". To be fair, they laughed and walked away when I asked them why they couldn't organize a proper 419 - less work, more money.
    , @Bill B.
    You must be f**king joking. I lived in China for a decade. Noooo way.

    Relatively more global Hong Kong won't even let long-time Filipina maids obtain residency. It is something so "obvious" to the Chinese that they don't need to think about it or talk about it.

    This idea that the 'rest of the world' is going to go all "I'd like to teach the world to sing" is pure projection.

    There are regional migration issues that will likely heat up because birth rates have fallen asymmetrically within Asia.

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment. Ironically they will likely be more wary of pushing gut-wrenching moves like mass immigration on their populations than the typical one-world-economy Western government.
    , @Ed
    Christianity rising in China? They just removed nearly 2000 crosses from clandestine churches. It's not rising anywhere.
  4. Black Men attract white girls because white “men” cannot satisfy their women.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    With incredibly rare exception, black men aren't attracting any white women I ever would have been attracted to when I was single.

    These commercials say next to nothing about who white women would prefer to reproduce (as in, create actual offspring) with, but they say a lot about how white women view their role - often totally abandoning any desire for motherhood whatsoever - and their desertion of cultural and racial self-confidence.

    , @Danindc
    Heh! You can't prove that!!
    , @josh
    I'm not sure I have ever seen an attractive white girl with a black guy that wasn't famous.
    , @Almost Missouri
    With "men" such as Sick Duck to choose from, who can blame them?
    , @anon
    I know you're trolling but as a lot of ppl say this for real what actually happens is

    it's r/K (loose definition of) plus PC

    1) r males put everything up front, flash car, clothes, all cash is spending cash etc; K males build or save for nests.

    2) the r strategy doesn't work very well on adult females but it works very well on females when they're very young.

    3) so r males target the very young

    4) there are white r males and black K males

    5) black and white K males don't do it and the system chases off white r males who target very young girls so that only leaves black r males; the system used to chase off black r males as well but then they stopped cos racism

    so it's black r males chasing girls when they're young and dumb enough to fall for it combined with the system built up to protect girls when they're that age being neutralized by PC
    , @AnotherDad

    Black Men attract white girls because white “men” cannot satisfy their women.
     
    All these years my wife has been faking it? Damn!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Black Men attract white girls...
     
    This phenomenon is greatly exaggerated, if you use weight as your measurement.
  5. @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    >>I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration…..blah, blah, blah blah.

    You’re wrong. African immigration to China is a non-starter. It’s not something that the Chinese spend even 2 seconds worrying about, unlike Germans or Italians whose minds should be preoccupied with the problem 24×7 if they wish to keep their country for their posterity.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @German_reader
    Peter Frost disagrees:
    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/go-east-young-african/
    I have no way to judge who's right...we'll see.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    There are a lot of Africans in Hong Kong. I don't know what's keeping them out of PRC besides border enforcement.
    , @anon
    Yes, we wouldn't them to get spooked early would we.

    The tactics used to destroy east and south Asians will be different - more bribery and less "we are the world" but the aim will be the same: a mass of low IQ slave-cattle.
  6. China has been investing tens of billions of yuan in Africa (far more than Italy has).

    Countries that turn other countries into colonies almost always get colonized people back (Pakistanis in UK, Algerians in France, Caucasians in Russia, Koreans in Japan, Puerto Ricans in US, etc)

    We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The correlation is not with colonies - its with rubbish leaders.


    Turkey - the world's biggest and oldest colonizer - remains unscathed.
    , @LibertarianinChina
    Agree. If Japan can't keep out Koreans, what hope for a China with rising wages and a shortage of young people?
  7. @Daniel H
    >>I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration.....blah, blah, blah blah.

    You're wrong. African immigration to China is a non-starter. It's not something that the Chinese spend even 2 seconds worrying about, unlike Germans or Italians whose minds should be preoccupied with the problem 24x7 if they wish to keep their country for their posterity.

    Peter Frost disagrees:
    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/go-east-young-african/
    I have no way to judge who’s right…we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    When I originally saw that I was surprised and followed up the source articles. It seemed to me then that the high numbers were pulled from thin air. (Barry Obama's half-brother is there of course.)

    This from a Nanfang article:

    "Even before the Exit-Entry Administration Law was passed last year, the African community in Guangzhou was already under pressure with the Guangdong Act of 2011. The Act rewards people who snitch on those who overstay their visas, forbids illegal immigrants to work or study, and gives any police officer the authority to stop foreigners to verify their passports. A Ugandan told Lan Shanshan, a research assistant professor at Baptist University:

    “A visa is not a 100 per cent guarantee here. When police stop you, if you do not look like a pleasant person to them, they may draw the line on your visa and cancel it. They say, ‘China gives, China takes.’”
  8. Ivy says:
    @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    Southwestern China at times had an extreme male-female imbalance during the One Child policy years, hovering around 117/100. They might need to import some females to take the edge off the men so that there aren’t the roving brigands that could occur in such cases. Perhaps they could absorb all the Africans left behind in the modern northern migration? Imagine the possibilities.

  9. A joke from England:

    It has been announced that the police are going to be allowed to use water cannons on rioters. They are putting some Tide detergent in the water to stop the coloureds from running.

  10. I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    • Replies: @anon
    (((((who could you be talking about)))))
    , @Cagey Beast
    I think it's too easy to just blame ((that group)). Globalism, ethno-masochism, pandering to the resentments of women consumers and the fetishizing of Blacks are all part of postwar consumer capitalism on this side of the old Iron Curtain.
    , @IHTG
    Homosexuals?
    , @anon
    it's usually either that or homosexuals
    , @Jack D
    A certain group? Freemasons? Shriners? Could you give us a hint here? It certainly wouldn't be Jooos - Italy has a very small Jewish community (even smaller after the Holocaust) with its own unique history that is neither Ashkenazi or Sephardic.
    , @AnotherDad

    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.
     
    Perfectly fair to blame Hollyweird's Jews for the presence of the numinous Negro in basically every piece of tripe they crank out. (They even jam them into historical and geographic contexts where they were essentially non-existent.) Depictions that are so unnecessary and so far from the reality of actual blacks, they are not even really fantasy but just pure anti-white propaganda.

    And yes, this is in that same appalling, white-hating vein. But it's an Italian ad. My money would be that the idea was driven by some Italian homosexuals--projecting *their* desires-- with maybe some slutty Italian "professional" women in the room cluck-clucky along.
  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    According to NEWS.com.au, the italian ad was clever, but the chinese ad is racist.

    It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/is-this-the-most-racist-commercial-ever-made/news-story/b7c1a0895364c79b32b9efb48302ed5f

    • Replies: @Jamie_NYC
    And I see that no comments were allowed on the Australian site...
    , @Chuck
    As usual the Chinese are making subpar copies of western products.
  12. Wow. That….I’m speechless.

  13. No one has disproved Satoshi Kanazawa’s work. That Black men are the most attractive to women of all races. And conversely, Black women the least attractive to men of all races. Chinese women and White Italian women alike seem covered by that research as depicted in the two ads.

    BUT … China is significantly different than Italy. First, it is NOT female dominated. All ads and pretty much everything has to pass through Party censors and ultimately dictates of the Central Committee or nowadays President Xi Xinping and his personal appointees. China is very much patriarchal and allows plays to female sensibilities only up to a point. There was an ad that had a pretty Chinese woman saying she’d rather cry in the back of a Mercedes than be happy on the back of a motorcycle. It was pulled due to male rage.

    Secondly, the one-child policy and selective sex abortions of girls has left China a political and social powder keg. There are millions and millions of Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend, or even sex without prostitution, let alone marry. All those missing girls have their impact. Anything suggesting Chinese women prefer foreigners ESPECIALLY AFRICANS is a recipe for revolution that President Xi Xinping in particular is not too keen on having about.

    In my own time at Tsinghua University at Beijing I was told by students that African exchange students would monopolize the hottest Chinese coeds and bully/intimidate Chinese male students who were smaller and weaker. Right up until 100 or so of their friends showed up and gave all the Africans a beating or worse — like tossing off a roof top. Africans are not much liked in China by Chinese men for this reason and the Chinese as heirs to a 5,000 year old civilization don’t much care what Westerners think. See the failure of the Hollywood types on Tibet.

    Thirdly, Italian women don’t need to obtain male resources to start a family and provide for themselves in old age (they think at least). Chinese women know there is no pension or medical care for them outside their workplace, China being a communist country it has no social welfare program, and what their mates can provide.

    Chinese women are every bit as hypergamous and sexually drawn to low IQ, impulsive, violent, socially dominant, and darker men as every other women. Unlike Italian/Western women they cannot simply give in as they live in the Communist Version of Jane Austen’s world. Without a good match no kids or retirement. That means prospects, in-laws, etc.

    What’s wrong with the West is at its core its women don’t want or need or show any loyalty to their men; figuring with female logic that absurdities can go on forever. Not understanding how quickly things collapse. The social welfare state as substitute for marriage; mass media consumerism aimed at women, Diversity as State Religion to beat Communism and National Liberation movements are contributors. But that’s the core of it.

    Imagine that ad in America in say, 1950.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    There is no indication that Chinese/East Asian women prefer black men.

    I haven't got a link to the study on hand but I recall a minor stir over the supposed anti-black racism of East Asian females in American colleges because they overwhelmingly preferred white boyfriends. Even if black men give them 'gina tingles, they've been smart enough thus far to resist burning the coal.

    I've heard several variations of these apocryphal stories of African students "monopolizing" Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys. I think "monopolize" here means "rape." Kind of like how black soldiers "monopolize" Okinawan women.
    , @Anonymous
    Whisky, I've lived in China for over a decade, and white expats - let alone black ones, have a hard time scoring with anything but sub-par Chinese girls - let alone hot ones. The dating predilections of Asian women are completely different.
    , @Marcus
    It doesn't need disproving, since it's patently false, look at reply rates on dating sites, "black" men rank below "whites" and "Hispanics"
  14. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    (((((who could you be talking about)))))

  15. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    I think it’s too easy to just blame ((that group)). Globalism, ethno-masochism, pandering to the resentments of women consumers and the fetishizing of Blacks are all part of postwar consumer capitalism on this side of the old Iron Curtain.

    • Replies: @anon
    that would only be true if the demographics of advertising were the same as everywhere else and they're not
  16. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    With incredibly rare exception, black men aren’t attracting any white women I ever would have been attracted to when I was single.

    These commercials say next to nothing about who white women would prefer to reproduce (as in, create actual offspring) with, but they say a lot about how white women view their role – often totally abandoning any desire for motherhood whatsoever – and their desertion of cultural and racial self-confidence.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    I wanted to add: the white "miscegenation" rate could double for all I care if more young white women thought of themselves as mothers. Our culture doesn't teach them to think of themselves as mothers, our schools don't teach them to think of themselves as mothers, and thus they don't think of themselves as mothers. Ditto for young white men not thinking of themselves as fathers, but not nearly to the same degree.
    , @BenKenobi
    I'm with you on this one - for a people who have been subjected to cradle to grave anti-white and pro-miscegenation race propaganda for several generations now -- the rate it actually happens is astonishingly low.

    Anecdotally, most of the White people I know "keep it in the skin". Even if they would rather sacrifice their first born than articulate such a thought in front of other human beings.
    , @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.
  17. • Replies: @anon
    i wanna know if that Chinese guy has been stabbed yet.
  18. Dew says:

    I was thinking about this old Italian commercial when the Chinese one gained notoriety. Few people know about the Italian one right now, so awareness should be raised. Post the Italian commercial every time the Chinese one is mentioned. Then, watch the firestorm rage as leftists try to justify the Italian commercial.

  19. @Wilkey
    With incredibly rare exception, black men aren't attracting any white women I ever would have been attracted to when I was single.

    These commercials say next to nothing about who white women would prefer to reproduce (as in, create actual offspring) with, but they say a lot about how white women view their role - often totally abandoning any desire for motherhood whatsoever - and their desertion of cultural and racial self-confidence.

    I wanted to add: the white “miscegenation” rate could double for all I care if more young white women thought of themselves as mothers. Our culture doesn’t teach them to think of themselves as mothers, our schools don’t teach them to think of themselves as mothers, and thus they don’t think of themselves as mothers. Ditto for young white men not thinking of themselves as fathers, but not nearly to the same degree.

    • Agree: NickG
  20. So that’s what Ted Cruz was doing ten years ago. He’s put on weight since.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "So that’s what Ted Cruz was doing ten years ago. He’s put on weight since."

    Ted Cruz is a quarter Italian.
  21. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    Heh! You can’t prove that!!

  22. Chinese men hear from their overseas relatives that Chinese women don’t want to date them when these women have access to white and black men, hence the stereotype in Western countries about male Asian immigrant virgins.

    I’d like to see some studies about this, because Hispanic men in the U.S. don’t have a problem with finding Hispanic women from the same migration for sex and marriage. What could account for the difference?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    "Hispanics" tend to be more adherent to basic gender roles. The men are masculine and the women are feminine. Other ethnic groups have one or both sexes out of whack.
    , @Triumph104
    In the US races are usually segregated. Hispanics and blacks live and go to school together, while Asians and whites cluster together. As Maria grows up she sees that Juan is adequately macho but more family oriented and less likely to cheat on her than D'Juan.

    While I have heard of white and black men with yellow fever, I don't believe that sort of lust is common towards Hispanic women.

    Asian women value elite educations so the black men they meet at college are high functioning. Then there are the Priscilla Chans of the world who have done their research and head straight to the Jewish fraternities to find a mate.

    I'm too lazy to look but I think about a third of Asian American men marry interracially so they are not alone crying themselves to sleep at night. Increasingly Asian men are dating black women.
  23. Glossy says: • Website

    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China’s independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China’s dependence on the US. This doesn’t mean that Mao didn’t kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn’t have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine’s hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories like "deep plowing", which decreased crop yields and resulted in famine, rather than Nazi or Pol Pot style mass murder. This tends to be obscured though.
    , @syonredux

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China’s independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China’s dependence on the US.
     
    MMM, trying to recall the last time someone had something good to say about Chiang Kai-shek (post Nixon goes to China)......drawing a blank.

    This doesn’t mean that Mao didn’t kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges.
     
    Dunno, dear fellow. Mao's kill-count is quite impressive:

    late '40s-early '50s (early purges, land reform, etc): approx 3 million

    Great Leap Forward Famine: 30 million plus. Of course, with this one you can always point out that Mao didn't actually intend to kill tens of millions of people....

    Cultural Revolution: anywhere from a low of around 400,000 to upwards of 3 million

    Tibet:Approx 300,000

    Deaths in the laogai (Chinese GULAG): Lacking access to the archives, this one is highly uncertain. Some estimates go as high as 27 million deaths. Bearing in mind that the GULAG under Stalin chalked up around 1.6 million deaths, I think that we can be regard 2 million deaths under Mao as a very conservative estimate.
    , @AndrewR
    Mao apologists on iSteve
    I've seen it all.
    , @syonredux

    But that violence wouldn’t have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine’s hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason.
     
    Well, there was that little thing called the Cold War......
    , @Jack D
    The enemy of your enemy is NOT necessarily your friend. Mao was a very bad dude no matter how you figure. It's one thing to maintain the independence of your country from libtards in order to preserve its national character and culture, it's another to do that in order to keep your own cult of personality in power, ala Stalin, Mao and the Kim family of N. Korea.
    , @Percy Gryce
    The Black Book of Communism puts Mao and Maoism's death toll at 65 million. But, I know, that's just a statistic. Omelets, eggs, etc.
  24. China’s commercial: we like our own race.

    Italian: cuck us!

    • Replies: @SFG
    That was my thought as well. The Chinese guy who comes out of the washing machine is *less* manly than the black guy who goes in--but he's Chinese, and that's what the Chinese lady cares about.

    Hey, why not. 4000 years of culture. You know, maybe this sort of thing is what Europe needs to rediscover a sense of pride (if it survives). The Chinese had the Opium Wars and British domination.
  25. @Daniel H
    >>I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration.....blah, blah, blah blah.

    You're wrong. African immigration to China is a non-starter. It's not something that the Chinese spend even 2 seconds worrying about, unlike Germans or Italians whose minds should be preoccupied with the problem 24x7 if they wish to keep their country for their posterity.

    There are a lot of Africans in Hong Kong. I don’t know what’s keeping them out of PRC besides border enforcement.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    There's lots of Africans in Guangzhou for some reason. Saying "lots of" is compared to the rest of China, not with London or Houston.
  26. @Wilkey
    With incredibly rare exception, black men aren't attracting any white women I ever would have been attracted to when I was single.

    These commercials say next to nothing about who white women would prefer to reproduce (as in, create actual offspring) with, but they say a lot about how white women view their role - often totally abandoning any desire for motherhood whatsoever - and their desertion of cultural and racial self-confidence.

    I’m with you on this one – for a people who have been subjected to cradle to grave anti-white and pro-miscegenation race propaganda for several generations now — the rate it actually happens is astonishingly low.

    Anecdotally, most of the White people I know “keep it in the skin”. Even if they would rather sacrifice their first born than articulate such a thought in front of other human beings.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's getting harder as the white fraction shrinks.
  27. @Wilkey
    With incredibly rare exception, black men aren't attracting any white women I ever would have been attracted to when I was single.

    These commercials say next to nothing about who white women would prefer to reproduce (as in, create actual offspring) with, but they say a lot about how white women view their role - often totally abandoning any desire for motherhood whatsoever - and their desertion of cultural and racial self-confidence.

    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I think the US compared to Europe there is much bigger barrier to miscegenation due to history. In London, and Britain in general, it seems to be mostly a lower class thing, often the Irish origin underclass. Tends to be the land whales too.
    , @5371
    "Most" is a wild exaggeration in any London neighborhood I have seen or know of. But there are many where most have two non-white parents.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, "Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren't so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I'm from Chicago. Are you sure you're making the right life decisions?"
    , @Wilkey
    That's interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. Blacks are about 13% of America's population vs. 3.5% of England's. Intermarriage rates by blacks are probably a lot higher in England due to the simple fact that they exist there in lower concentration, and thus are more likely to marry out. I would guess the intermarriage rate by American whites is higher, however, since blacks are a far higher percentage of the population.

    Other explanations is that England is far more urbanized than America, so it's harder for whites to escape cities with large numbers of blacks, and the fact that blacks started arriving in large numbers in England only after race realism became a thoughtcrime.
    , @SFG
    In my upper-middle-class neighborhood the Asian-white mix is pretty common. It's about the only one I can think of predominantly associated with upper socioeconomic strata.
    , @Marcus
    It seems common among the white dregs here in the US South. White underclasses are already mimicking blacks in other ways, so not surprising.
  28. My question is; why the hell do the Chinese need to copy everything?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Not copied, lampooned. Emphasis on poon.
    , @anon
    when you're catching up you're going to copy - the big question is what they do after they're all caught up
  29. @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    Chinese Christianity is probably exaggerated (who tend to be the sources on the numbers? the people trying to do the proselytizing in the first place), and China is separated from Africa by a huge ocean and guarded by poverty (relative to Western Europe) and a barebones welfare state.

    There are actually an order of magnitude more Chinese in Africa than the converse.

  30. Though not on the same scale as the idiots in the West, Guangzhou has been taking in thousands of Africans.

  31. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories like “deep plowing”, which decreased crop yields and resulted in famine, rather than Nazi or Pol Pot style mass murder. This tends to be obscured though.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here's the breakdown:

    late '40s-early '50s (early purges, land reform, etc): approx 3 million

    Great Leap Forward Famine: 30 million plus. Of course, with this one you can always point out that Mao didn't actually intend to kill tens of millions of people....

    Cultural Revolution: anywhere from a low of around 400,000 to upwards of 3 million

    Tibet:Approx 300,000

    Deaths in the laogai (Chinese GULAG): Lacking access to the archives, this one is highly uncertain. Some estimates go as high as 27 million deaths. Bearing in mind that the GULAG under Stalin chalked up around 1.6 million deaths, I think that we can be regard 2 million deaths under Mao as a very conservative estimate.

    So, yes, Mao's man-made famine does take the lion's share. That being said, that still leaves us with the millions dead due to purges," land-reform," the Cultural Revolution, etc
  32. Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.

    This tends to be obscured though.

    Mao obscures it himself, by not altering his path after failure.

    • Replies: @Andrew

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.
     
    No more so than the crackpot American theory of "Rain follows the plow."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_follows_the_plow
  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos ever shown on TV’.

    That, dear iStevers, needs no further explanation or elaboration. As the saying goes, that, says it all.
    Straight from the horse’s mouth, the most perfect encapsulation of the dominant PC hierarchical orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    ‘Managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos ever shown on TV’.
    Rupert Murdoch's News Limited Australia. Say no more.
  34. @Cagey Beast
    The Italian ad was uploaded to YouTube back in 2007. Since then, one of these two countries has been hit by wave after wave of African migrants that it cannot, or will not, turn away. Can you guess which country it is?

    Hint: it's the one with a freaky Argentine Antipope using its airport to bring in Muslim families.

    Actually, there was a real, historic anti-pope back in the middle ages.

    • Replies: @SFG
    For a while, there were two.
    , @Che Guava
    More than one, but the sense is different to the OP's thought on Bergoglioni. Schism, as opposed to heresy. BTW, I agree with the OP. Not very Christian, but WTF is Bergoglioni thinking? His actions are hardly Christian.

    Interesting that he never had any problems with the Argentinian dictator's govts in the times of Op. Condor, the death squads, etc., seems to have been somewhat complicit at the time. Perhaps his bizarre anti-European activity is a result of guilt-driven melancholia.

    Some former bishop has established his own schismatic Catholic Church in the USA, I forget the place and names, but they would be easy to look up. They even keep to the custom of smoke to indicate the election.

    In my opinion, they would be better off expending their energies in SSPX, but, IIRC, they trace the deviation further back than St. Pius the tenth.
  35. @anony-mouse
    China has been investing tens of billions of yuan in Africa (far more than Italy has).

    Countries that turn other countries into colonies almost always get colonized people back (Pakistanis in UK, Algerians in France, Caucasians in Russia, Koreans in Japan, Puerto Ricans in US, etc)

    We'll see.

    The correlation is not with colonies – its with rubbish leaders.

    Turkey – the world’s biggest and oldest colonizer – remains unscathed.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Turkey has the most Syrian refugees of any country, by far. And they have their own demographic problems — the Europeanized secular coastal elites becoming outnumbered by the country bumpkins (already happened) and now the country bumpkins are being outbred 2-1 by the Kurds, who are even more backwards and disloyal to boot.
  36. @Chrisnonymous
    There are a lot of Africans in Hong Kong. I don't know what's keeping them out of PRC besides border enforcement.

    There’s lots of Africans in Guangzhou for some reason. Saying “lots of” is compared to the rest of China, not with London or Houston.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Trading with African countries drives much of African migration there. Although my understanding is things are getting tougher for the Africans there. China is clamping down with African countries going downhill even more they don't feel compelled to tolerate these traders anymore.

    China won't end up like Europe.
  37. @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    There is already a large African community in GuangZhou, and I have been approached twice by pairs of Nigerians in Beijing who were “lost” and seeking “money for a cab to the embassy”. To be fair, they laughed and walked away when I asked them why they couldn’t organize a proper 419 – less work, more money.

  38. @anony-mouse
    China has been investing tens of billions of yuan in Africa (far more than Italy has).

    Countries that turn other countries into colonies almost always get colonized people back (Pakistanis in UK, Algerians in France, Caucasians in Russia, Koreans in Japan, Puerto Ricans in US, etc)

    We'll see.

    Agree. If Japan can’t keep out Koreans, what hope for a China with rising wages and a shortage of young people?

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Yeah but Korean-Japanese look and are Japanese. I went out with a "Japanese" girl in Hong Kong who turned out to have a Korean passport even though she spoke no Korean, was to all intents and purposes Japanese, was several generations in Japan.

    The Japanese are cautious.

    So ummm .... I don't think there are going to be any immigration invasions over there.
  39. @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    You must be f**king joking. I lived in China for a decade. Noooo way.

    Relatively more global Hong Kong won’t even let long-time Filipina maids obtain residency. It is something so “obvious” to the Chinese that they don’t need to think about it or talk about it.

    This idea that the ‘rest of the world’ is going to go all “I’d like to teach the world to sing” is pure projection.

    There are regional migration issues that will likely heat up because birth rates have fallen asymmetrically within Asia.

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment. Ironically they will likely be more wary of pushing gut-wrenching moves like mass immigration on their populations than the typical one-world-economy Western government.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Well, I've never been to China, and if I recall correctly, had only one real conversation ever with a person of Chinese ethnicity (funnily enough he promptly gave me his business card, and also innocently asked some obnoxious biology student about differences between human populations...that one at least did behave in a rather stereotypical manner). I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.
    When polls (admittedly done by Amnesty) come to such conclusions
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-amnesty-report-idUSKCN0YA06A
    that is ranking China together with thoroughly demented Germany and Britain, I do wonder. But I'd be interested to read about your personal experiences in China.
    , @dfordoom

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment.
     
    Authoritarian governments tend to be less detached from reality compared to our "democratic" governments. They also tend to be less chaotic.
  40. The Chinese woman, being intelligent and normal, desires offspring who will at least partly resemble her. The Italian woman shown in the ad is embracing miscegenation that will ensure that any children she has cannot physically possess her features as the African traits always dominate in black-white unions. It’s the ultimate act of self-hate. Anyway Italian men are among the best looking in the world. This ad is clearly meant to be a brainwashing tool to convince youg Italian girls to have sex with negroes instead of their fellow Italians.

  41. @German_reader
    Peter Frost disagrees:
    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/go-east-young-african/
    I have no way to judge who's right...we'll see.

    When I originally saw that I was surprised and followed up the source articles. It seemed to me then that the high numbers were pulled from thin air. (Barry Obama’s half-brother is there of course.)

    This from a Nanfang article:

    “Even before the Exit-Entry Administration Law was passed last year, the African community in Guangzhou was already under pressure with the Guangdong Act of 2011. The Act rewards people who snitch on those who overstay their visas, forbids illegal immigrants to work or study, and gives any police officer the authority to stop foreigners to verify their passports. A Ugandan told Lan Shanshan, a research assistant professor at Baptist University:

    “A visa is not a 100 per cent guarantee here. When police stop you, if you do not look like a pleasant person to them, they may draw the line on your visa and cancel it. They say, ‘China gives, China takes.’”

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "The Act rewards people who snitch on those who overstay their visas, forbids illegal immigrants to work or study, and gives any police officer the authority to stop foreigners to verify their passports. A Ugandan told Lan Shanshan, a research assistant professor at Baptist University:
    'A visa is not a 100 per cent guarantee here. When police stop you, if you do not look like a pleasant person to them, they may draw the line on your visa and cancel it. They say, ‘China gives, China takes.''"
     
    Hey, these are great ideas! First gunpowder, now this! Is someone taking notes for our 2017 legislative session?
  42. @Bill B.
    You must be f**king joking. I lived in China for a decade. Noooo way.

    Relatively more global Hong Kong won't even let long-time Filipina maids obtain residency. It is something so "obvious" to the Chinese that they don't need to think about it or talk about it.

    This idea that the 'rest of the world' is going to go all "I'd like to teach the world to sing" is pure projection.

    There are regional migration issues that will likely heat up because birth rates have fallen asymmetrically within Asia.

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment. Ironically they will likely be more wary of pushing gut-wrenching moves like mass immigration on their populations than the typical one-world-economy Western government.

    Well, I’ve never been to China, and if I recall correctly, had only one real conversation ever with a person of Chinese ethnicity (funnily enough he promptly gave me his business card, and also innocently asked some obnoxious biology student about differences between human populations…that one at least did behave in a rather stereotypical manner). I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.
    When polls (admittedly done by Amnesty) come to such conclusions
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-amnesty-report-idUSKCN0YA06A
    that is ranking China together with thoroughly demented Germany and Britain, I do wonder. But I’d be interested to read about your personal experiences in China.

    • Replies: @5371
    I would expect any poll pushed by Scamnasty to be fraudulent.
    , @anon

    I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.
     
    The people might be and the current political elite might be but the business elite maybe not so much.

    The big question for China is if the people and current political elite can prevent the business elite taking over (no doubt with international help).
  43. @Anonymous
    The correlation is not with colonies - its with rubbish leaders.


    Turkey - the world's biggest and oldest colonizer - remains unscathed.

    Turkey has the most Syrian refugees of any country, by far. And they have their own demographic problems — the Europeanized secular coastal elites becoming outnumbered by the country bumpkins (already happened) and now the country bumpkins are being outbred 2-1 by the Kurds, who are even more backwards and disloyal to boot.

    • Replies: @Andrew

    Turkey has the most Syrian refugees of any country, by far. And they have their own demographic problems — the Europeanized secular coastal elites becoming outnumbered by the country bumpkins (already happened) and now the country bumpkins are being outbred 2-1 by the Kurds, who are even more backwards and disloyal to boot.
     
    Emphasizing once again how brilliant the implementation of the Treaty of Sevres would have been.

    Coastal European/Secularized Turkey would have been part of Greece and thus part of Europe, Russia would have controlled the Straits, and Country Bumpkin Turkey would have been its own country and separate from a united Kurdistan.

    Such a tragedy that no follow through was given to protect this.
  44. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China’s independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China’s dependence on the US.

    MMM, trying to recall the last time someone had something good to say about Chiang Kai-shek (post Nixon goes to China)……drawing a blank.

    This doesn’t mean that Mao didn’t kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges.

    Dunno, dear fellow. Mao’s kill-count is quite impressive:

    late ’40s-early ’50s (early purges, land reform, etc): approx 3 million

    Great Leap Forward Famine: 30 million plus. Of course, with this one you can always point out that Mao didn’t actually intend to kill tens of millions of people….

    Cultural Revolution: anywhere from a low of around 400,000 to upwards of 3 million

    Tibet:Approx 300,000

    Deaths in the laogai (Chinese GULAG): Lacking access to the archives, this one is highly uncertain. Some estimates go as high as 27 million deaths. Bearing in mind that the GULAG under Stalin chalked up around 1.6 million deaths, I think that we can be regard 2 million deaths under Mao as a very conservative estimate.

  45. @Anonymous
    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories like "deep plowing", which decreased crop yields and resulted in famine, rather than Nazi or Pol Pot style mass murder. This tends to be obscured though.

    Here’s the breakdown:

    late ’40s-early ’50s (early purges, land reform, etc): approx 3 million

    Great Leap Forward Famine: 30 million plus. Of course, with this one you can always point out that Mao didn’t actually intend to kill tens of millions of people….

    Cultural Revolution: anywhere from a low of around 400,000 to upwards of 3 million

    Tibet:Approx 300,000

    Deaths in the laogai (Chinese GULAG): Lacking access to the archives, this one is highly uncertain. Some estimates go as high as 27 million deaths. Bearing in mind that the GULAG under Stalin chalked up around 1.6 million deaths, I think that we can be regard 2 million deaths under Mao as a very conservative estimate.

    So, yes, Mao’s man-made famine does take the lion’s share. That being said, that still leaves us with the millions dead due to purges,” land-reform,” the Cultural Revolution, etc

  46. @LibertarianinChina
    Agree. If Japan can't keep out Koreans, what hope for a China with rising wages and a shortage of young people?

    Yeah but Korean-Japanese look and are Japanese. I went out with a “Japanese” girl in Hong Kong who turned out to have a Korean passport even though she spoke no Korean, was to all intents and purposes Japanese, was several generations in Japan.

    The Japanese are cautious.

    So ummm …. I don’t think there are going to be any immigration invasions over there.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    The Japanese have (been assimilating/been rolled over by) Koreans since forever. Since Yayoi times at least.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture

    "I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche," he told reporters.
    Kammu, reigned Japan from 781 to 806 AD, while Muryong ruled the Paekche Kingdom in Korea from 501 to 523 AD. - Emperor Akihito, AD 2001
     
    It would be like UK Brits being prejudiced against Normands, or Danes (they are, but only in savage, backwards provinces like Yorkshire and Ireland).
  47. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    I think the US compared to Europe there is much bigger barrier to miscegenation due to history. In London, and Britain in general, it seems to be mostly a lower class thing, often the Irish origin underclass. Tends to be the land whales too.

    • Replies: @Ed
    It's not that big in France either. French women for whatever reason don't particularly care for black men as much as Anglo women in my experience.
  48. “The commercial is actually a copy of an Italian laundry ad where just the opposite happens: A white man is put into the washing machine and comes out black as the words on the screen declare “coloured is better.”

    So the Chinese commercial is racist, but the Italian commercial is not racist? So it is perfectly fine to have a preference for Black men over Nonblack men, but having a preference for White men or Asian men over Black men is racist? Apparently in this PC on steroids era all Nonblack women are suppose to have the same dating preferences as the Kardashian sisters, if they do not want to be labeled racists.

  49. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    “Most” is a wild exaggeration in any London neighborhood I have seen or know of. But there are many where most have two non-white parents.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    It's definitely not a wild exaggeration at my son's school.
    , @LondonBob
    Pretty unknown in my middle and upper class neighbourhoods but common enough in working class areas.
    , @martin_2
    I agree. Even in Hackney, a poor London borough that is famous for its poor single mums with black babies, where I used to drive through frequently and lived in for a time, the number of actual 100% white women with black children is somewhat less than people imagine. I remember counting them on a number of occasions and it was never more than around 5%.

    Anyway, why is it not completely obvious to everyone, including even the goofiest libtard journalist, that the advertisements are either both equally racist or both equally non-racist. How can one be objectionable and the other okay? It is impossible to justify such a position.
  50. This is a fascinating thread. But what is missing from all this is generational change.

    One could look back at adverts from the post-Civil War US in which similar types of images (as in the Chinese commercial) of blacks emerge. The China, India, Italy or the US that we are looking at are snapshots in time. In the US and Italy (as in most of the Western world), the populations have lost their rough edges, they have become docile and the women have become dominant. In the US, the influence of the women, especially in academia, has driven all kinds of deviant movements designed to slap the white males on their faces and destroy their authority. This started with homosexual “marriage” and has since moved into transgenderism. The men have become docile lambs who don’t complain too much and obey the women.

    In the lesser “developed” countries, this is far from being the case. But remember that China is advancing rapidly. Women work increasingly in China, their wages are rising rapidly and their ability to challenge the authority of males has increased with time. It is difficult to say what a “rich” China in two or three generations is going to be like. If the women become similarly dominant there, then similar problems could emerge. But my guess is that if this were to happen, it would happen in Japan before it happens in China because Japan has been technologically advanced for longer.

    • Replies: @Ed
    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I'd revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you'd have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.
  51. Oprah Winfrey’s Black female friend Gayle King said in an interview on the Bravo channel that she is not open to dating White men and Nonblack men in general. She did not get fired from her morning news job at CBS. She was not even forced to make a public apology.

    If a White female who works in the mainstream media openly said that she is not open to dating Black men, she would either lose her job or be forced to publicly apologize. If she was lucky enough to keep her job, she would be forced to watch a diversity sensitivity video that was narrated by Khloe Kardashian, lol.

    • Replies: @ChaseBizzy
    Try to catch up Jefferson.
    , @Vinay
    "Oprah Winfrey’s Black female friend Gayle King said in an interview on the Bravo channel that she is not open to dating White....IF A WHITE FEMALE"

    A bit of googling reveals this to be completely false. Kristin Chenoweth said she'd never done it with black men and Gayle King said she'd never done it with white men and both seemed to agree not to rule it out.

    No double standards, nothing to see here at all! Nobody really minds all that much if people date within their own race. Yes, if you go out of your way to proclaim that you'd never date a person of X race, it'd annoy people but only because it's unnecessarily rude. Leggy models may not date short guys or fat guys but there's no particular need for them to announce it to the world, is there?
  52. Russell Peters said there is a word in Chinese that sounds exactly like the N word, but actually means something else.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    "na ge" pronounced "niga" meaning "that one", so it is used frequently.
    , @Das
    Yeah, that's true particularly of young women speaking Mandarin. They use "niga" as much as "like" in Valley Girl speech.
    , @Jack D
    Yes, the word is 那个 which is pronounced something like nay guh - it literally means "that " but it is used as a filler word, the way "like" or "y'know" is used in English so that's why teenage girls use it every other word in their conversations.
  53. @Jefferson
    Oprah Winfrey's Black female friend Gayle King said in an interview on the Bravo channel that she is not open to dating White men and Nonblack men in general. She did not get fired from her morning news job at CBS. She was not even forced to make a public apology.

    If a White female who works in the mainstream media openly said that she is not open to dating Black men, she would either lose her job or be forced to publicly apologize. If she was lucky enough to keep her job, she would be forced to watch a diversity sensitivity video that was narrated by Khloe Kardashian, lol.

    Try to catch up Jefferson.

  54. @Anonymous
    'Managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos ever shown on TV'.


    That, dear iStevers, needs no further explanation or elaboration. As the saying goes, that, says it all.
    Straight from the horse's mouth, the most perfect encapsulation of the dominant PC hierarchical orthodoxy.

    ‘Managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos ever shown on TV’.
    Rupert Murdoch’s News Limited Australia. Say no more.

  55. @German_reader
    Interesting contrast. I'm not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They're officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    Christianity rising in China? They just removed nearly 2000 crosses from clandestine churches. It’s not rising anywhere.

    • Replies: @GW
    Well if the atheist commie government is having to remove crosses that kind of disputes your point.
  56. @5371
    "Most" is a wild exaggeration in any London neighborhood I have seen or know of. But there are many where most have two non-white parents.

    It’s definitely not a wild exaggeration at my son’s school.

  57. Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    What worries me in the US south is white girls going to forcibly integrated public schools where black bullies dominate, so the girls have no option but to turn to them for protection… and quickly find themselves single mothers of mixed-race kids. How can we not hate Brown vs Board?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales"

    But women tend to go with the mainstream/winning side, whatever that may be. If all the TV and films plus their magazines show lots of WF/BM couples, and if the education system lauds other cultures and knocks their own, then they'll go along to get along. IIRC females watch more TV than males.

    In 2007 Tony Blair's government produced a "Diversity and Citizenship Curriculum Review" to check on indoctrination progress in the English state system. The authors were those good old English names Keith Ajegbo, Dina Kiwan and Seema Sharma.

    http://resources.cohesioninstitute.org.uk/Publications/Documents/Document/Default.aspx?recordId=48

    It contained the following, almost certainly from the Deptford school where two of the authors worked. Note that the kids quoted were all female. The quotes are depressing but illuminating.


    Negative perceptions of identity

    Some indigenous pupils’ experience of identity issues in the curriculum is that they have negative perceptions of their UK/English identities:

    You’re bored with it, you’re just British.
    White female, Year 10

    I’m not from a Caribbean country or an exotic country or even France or Spain. I’m from nowhere like that, I’m just plain British.
    White female Year 10

    It’s boring, I just want to be like from a different ‘race’, or a quarter something.
    White female KS2
     

    , @oh its just me too

    Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.
     
    Really? So why the 'holiday' ads in america and cheerioes commercial , etc?
    They sure as hell can afford to do so especially if the brand is monopolistic< like google and and its hyper-pc doodles.

    Also, in America, i believe the obama administration via the EEO, went after companies that had whites in their advertisements (like Abercrombie and Fitch) with the excuse that it would it not imply they were not friendly to hiring minorities.
    , @anon

    Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.
     
    How many ads like that were made?
  58. @Fredrik
    There's lots of Africans in Guangzhou for some reason. Saying "lots of" is compared to the rest of China, not with London or Houston.

    Trading with African countries drives much of African migration there. Although my understanding is things are getting tougher for the Africans there. China is clamping down with African countries going downhill even more they don’t feel compelled to tolerate these traders anymore.

    China won’t end up like Europe.

  59. @LondonBob
    I think the US compared to Europe there is much bigger barrier to miscegenation due to history. In London, and Britain in general, it seems to be mostly a lower class thing, often the Irish origin underclass. Tends to be the land whales too.

    It’s not that big in France either. French women for whatever reason don’t particularly care for black men as much as Anglo women in my experience.

  60. Ed says:
    @Charles Martel
    This is a fascinating thread. But what is missing from all this is generational change.

    One could look back at adverts from the post-Civil War US in which similar types of images (as in the Chinese commercial) of blacks emerge. The China, India, Italy or the US that we are looking at are snapshots in time. In the US and Italy (as in most of the Western world), the populations have lost their rough edges, they have become docile and the women have become dominant. In the US, the influence of the women, especially in academia, has driven all kinds of deviant movements designed to slap the white males on their faces and destroy their authority. This started with homosexual "marriage" and has since moved into transgenderism. The men have become docile lambs who don't complain too much and obey the women.

    In the lesser "developed" countries, this is far from being the case. But remember that China is advancing rapidly. Women work increasingly in China, their wages are rising rapidly and their ability to challenge the authority of males has increased with time. It is difficult to say what a "rich" China in two or three generations is going to be like. If the women become similarly dominant there, then similar problems could emerge. But my guess is that if this were to happen, it would happen in Japan before it happens in China because Japan has been technologically advanced for longer.

    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I’d revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you’d have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Agree. Note that you'd also have to unplug every federal subsidy and everything that could remotely be construed as a federal subsidy, or else you'll have the social re-engineers all over you.
    , @SFG
    Great Books schools: St. John's in Annapolis, Thomas Aquinas, etc.

    It's a niche, but not an unsuccessful one for those schools.

    There really aren't that many 18-year-olds interested in the Western intellectual tradition. Smart, inquisitive kids are either playing with computers or looking to advance their careers, which is better done by mouthing the PC line at Harvard or Yale so you get into a good law school, I-bank, or consulting firm.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Hillsdale? They don't take a dime of federal funds, and they seem to hit the Western Civ idea pretty hard. As far as career prep, I think I heard that they recently had as many grads clerking for SCOTUS justices as Harvard.
  61. @5371
    "Most" is a wild exaggeration in any London neighborhood I have seen or know of. But there are many where most have two non-white parents.

    Pretty unknown in my middle and upper class neighbourhoods but common enough in working class areas.

  62. @German_reader
    Well, I've never been to China, and if I recall correctly, had only one real conversation ever with a person of Chinese ethnicity (funnily enough he promptly gave me his business card, and also innocently asked some obnoxious biology student about differences between human populations...that one at least did behave in a rather stereotypical manner). I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.
    When polls (admittedly done by Amnesty) come to such conclusions
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-amnesty-report-idUSKCN0YA06A
    that is ranking China together with thoroughly demented Germany and Britain, I do wonder. But I'd be interested to read about your personal experiences in China.

    I would expect any poll pushed by Scamnasty to be fraudulent.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    So do I, but still, it's interesting...whereas Russians supposedly are quite open about being xenophobes, Chinese supposedly at least pretend to care about "refugees". I wonder why that is (or if that poll has been purposefully falsified by Amnesty, what's the purpose behind making Chinese look "tolerant").
  63. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, “Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren’t so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I’m from Chicago. Are you sure you’re making the right life decisions?”

    • Replies: @NickG
    This program - Last Whites of the East End - Was broadcast 3 nights ago - somewhat surprisingly - on the BBC. It's likely to be deleted from YouTube, so you, or anyone else outside of the UK, may want to save a copy on your hard drive using http://en.savefrom.net/
    , @Anonymous
    Those kids must be thirty and over, by now, Steve, and probably parents themselves.

    From what I gather, of today's current crop of school kids in London, only a small proportion, perhaps 20% or so are white, and an even smaller proportion are actually ethnically English.
    It follows that whole sectors of the London labor market must be dominated by non whites.
    What the ultimate ramifications of this are, I do not know.
    , @Brutusale
    You've got the British government subsidizing hate preachers. You expect any logic on the modern-day Sceptered Isle?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html
    , @Dumbo
    What about Canada vs US? I lived in Montreal for a while recently and everyday walking in the city or in the subway I saw at least one interracial couple, most days more than one. Mostly white women (some pretty attractive) with black men. Now and then even white men with black girls. And a few couples with mixed-race babies. Never saw that number of interracial couples in the US. I think Canada has a less radical approach to miscegenation.
  64. @Ed
    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I'd revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you'd have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.

    It’s striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.

    • Replies: @josh
    Outside of some religious colleges like Thomas Aquinas University, which will remain niche, I don't think this would have much appeal. College is ridiculously easy and is marketed to the normal kids a kind of four year orgy (they will be disappointed, but won't admit it as that would make you a loser). Kids aren't particularly interested in learning anything. Public education drives out the idea that learning can be fun. Learning is really only ever enjoyable for smart inquisitive people, and these are the kids who can get an A just by showing up, paying half-attention and turning in whatever inane assignment is given in neat handwriting. There are no bonus points for figuring out that your history teacher is full of shit. School is just a factory job.
    , @Anonymous
    See: Hillsdale College in Michigan.
    , @Triumph104
    Caltech has a diversity office. It covers so many groups you wonder why bother: women, underrepresented minorities, non-heterosexuals, disabled, and veterans.

    I was going to say that it was headed by a black woman, but it turns out that she is number three in a six-person office. The head is a Jewish woman, number two is an Asian woman, number four is a non-heterosexual male, five and six are Hispanic women.

    The black woman, director, is the only one in the office with a STEM degree(s), both from HBCUs. She worked for NASA for several years but took the route of many blacks and went into education. Taught high school science and got a doctorate in education. LINK.

    , @candid_observer
    It's really schools like Caltech and MIT that are going to pay a big price for diversity, quite literally.

    The major economic issue is: how much will their alumni contribute?

    My guess is that white males (not even Asian males, so much) contribute per capita probably several times as much as any other group to these schools. This is especially true because much of these contributions come from the very high end philanthropist sort, who are overwhelmingly white males (not nearly so much Asian males).

    If these schools by their diversity policies reduce their white male proportion from historic patterns of perhaps 80-90% of their student body down to, say, 30-35%, the hit on contributions will be tremendous. Perhaps the only thing working in the opposite direction is the greater inequality of our economy, rewarding the tippy top "producers" (who will, again, be overwhelmingly white males) with still greater rewards.

    Perhaps this will actually have some good consequences, because the effect will be to spread the true potential high performers around to other, less elite colleges. Their will be more Jack Kilby's who had to go to less distinguished universities (who wanted to get into MIT, but, as I recollect, missed the admission test cutoff by one point), but contributed mightily to our society and world.

  65. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    I’m not sure I have ever seen an attractive white girl with a black guy that wasn’t famous.

  66. OK, I’ll keep it simple to avoid your noticing censors.

    #1: This story is about advertisements
    #2: Who writes advertisements in China, who does the same in America?
    #3: Who rules both?

    See, it’s that simple.

    America

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Steve Sailer doesn't like one to expand upon acronyms. Such practice of expansion is most un-American.

    Should one post a song by NWA never spell out what the N stands for. Instead allude to some statistical representation of how often California+Burning occurs in Google (go on, look it up).

    I posted a song by a drunk who sang about getting drunk on a Thai beach, to juxtapose the ramifications of siding with the solicitudes of our weakness as opposed to their happenstance with burning things down. Never mind. One must NEVER! name the enemy: first rule of Alt-Right.

    Anyway, here's another song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd8WjeK8riE
    , @Chuck
    Israel Epstein. Sidney Rittenberg. Sidney Shapiro. Solomon Adler.

    Google them. Notice anything?
  67. @Reg Cæsar
    So that's what Ted Cruz was doing ten years ago. He's put on weight since.

    “So that’s what Ted Cruz was doing ten years ago. He’s put on weight since.”

    Ted Cruz is a quarter Italian.

  68. josh says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It's striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.

    Outside of some religious colleges like Thomas Aquinas University, which will remain niche, I don’t think this would have much appeal. College is ridiculously easy and is marketed to the normal kids a kind of four year orgy (they will be disappointed, but won’t admit it as that would make you a loser). Kids aren’t particularly interested in learning anything. Public education drives out the idea that learning can be fun. Learning is really only ever enjoyable for smart inquisitive people, and these are the kids who can get an A just by showing up, paying half-attention and turning in whatever inane assignment is given in neat handwriting. There are no bonus points for figuring out that your history teacher is full of shit. School is just a factory job.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    The only way it might work is if they made it attractive by cutting costs to the bone.

    A friend, who is a cost accountant, said that the underlying cost of a college education, assuming old style instruction and facilities (tenured professor with a strong interest in teaching, blackboard, library, basic dorms, some playing fields etc), is about $30K/year given US wages. That's about half of what colleges these days charge.

    But, a new, ab initio college won't have an endowment to provide financial aid. All aid would have to be Federal.

    If it did start off with an endowment providing scholarships and such, then such a college would be a hit, regardless of tough entrance exams etc., simply because of low cost.

    But would it have a prestigious reputation for its methods in the world of 2016?

    Many types of employers wouldn't care. An A+ grade from a demanding school is the same as an A+ grade from a party school. Ask anyone from Amherst who has competed against someone from Wesleyan in the job market.

    Graduate schools in the humanities wouldn't care about the extra rigor either. Nowadays, they look askance at "reactionary" curricula.

    It is only STEM employers, graduate professional schools and graduate STEM schools that would look favorably on the graduates of such a college.

    But an undergraduate STEM education starts to get expensive to provide because of labs and workshops and such, undercutting the model...
  69. Any Nonblack man who thinks it is racist for Chinese women to prefer their own kind Chinese men over Black men, is a Cuck who has sexual fantasies about his girlfriend or wife being screwed by a Black man.

    • Replies: @SFG
    How does that follow? The 'colorblind' position may not make that much sense, but they don't *all* have cuckold fetishes.
  70. @Pat Hannagan
    OK, I'll keep it simple to avoid your noticing censors.

    #1: This story is about advertisements
    #2: Who writes advertisements in China, who does the same in America?
    #3: Who rules both?

    See, it's that simple.

    America

    Steve Sailer doesn’t like one to expand upon acronyms. Such practice of expansion is most un-American.

    Should one post a song by NWA never spell out what the N stands for. Instead allude to some statistical representation of how often California+Burning occurs in Google (go on, look it up).

    I posted a song by a drunk who sang about getting drunk on a Thai beach, to juxtapose the ramifications of siding with the solicitudes of our weakness as opposed to their happenstance with burning things down. Never mind. One must NEVER! name the enemy: first rule of Alt-Right.

    Anyway, here’s another song:

  71. Nobody does this sort of noticing the verboten like Steve Sailer….nobody!

  72. I hope for the Italian housewife’s sake her new pet is toilet trained.

  73. You mean laundry detergent can solve “that” problem?

  74. Ancient chinese secret, huh?

  75. @snorlax
    Turkey has the most Syrian refugees of any country, by far. And they have their own demographic problems — the Europeanized secular coastal elites becoming outnumbered by the country bumpkins (already happened) and now the country bumpkins are being outbred 2-1 by the Kurds, who are even more backwards and disloyal to boot.

    Turkey has the most Syrian refugees of any country, by far. And they have their own demographic problems — the Europeanized secular coastal elites becoming outnumbered by the country bumpkins (already happened) and now the country bumpkins are being outbred 2-1 by the Kurds, who are even more backwards and disloyal to boot.

    Emphasizing once again how brilliant the implementation of the Treaty of Sevres would have been.

    Coastal European/Secularized Turkey would have been part of Greece and thus part of Europe, Russia would have controlled the Straits, and Country Bumpkin Turkey would have been its own country and separate from a united Kurdistan.

    Such a tragedy that no follow through was given to protect this.

  76. @Reg Cæsar

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories...
     
    So you're saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.

    This tends to be obscured though.
     
    Mao obscures it himself, by not altering his path after failure.

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.

    No more so than the crackpot American theory of “Rain follows the plow.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_follows_the_plow

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.

    No more so than the crackpot American theory of “Rain follows the plow.”
     
    MMMM, I must have missed the bit in American history textbooks where they talk about the massive famine that killed millions.......
  77. American politics are so bizarre.

    Each side takes turns slagging off their own in the most cuttingly personal way imaginable, and then, once the smoke has cleared, and a winner emerges, each side consolidates behind their own as if nothing ever happened.

    Mate of mine once told me about this Yank party he went to where the women all praised some other woman on what an awesome outfit she had. One even stroked her fur telling her to her face how much she loved her outfit. Once she left they all took turns slagging her off. Like American civility it comes across so sincere and genuine yet if you stick around you soon get the drift that all is facade, all is the most basic form of animal interplay with a human facade. Like a tarted up whore.

    I don’t think anything genuine comes out of America. Yet, I would never want to piss her off. She’s like a volatile cunt of a woman, married to a Doctor, throwing her weight around. Deranged. Full of itself. Dangerous.

  78. @robot
    Ad agencies can't afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    What worries me in the US south is white girls going to forcibly integrated public schools where black bullies dominate, so the girls have no option but to turn to them for protection... and quickly find themselves single mothers of mixed-race kids. How can we not hate Brown vs Board?

    “Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales”

    But women tend to go with the mainstream/winning side, whatever that may be. If all the TV and films plus their magazines show lots of WF/BM couples, and if the education system lauds other cultures and knocks their own, then they’ll go along to get along. IIRC females watch more TV than males.

    In 2007 Tony Blair’s government produced a “Diversity and Citizenship Curriculum Review” to check on indoctrination progress in the English state system. The authors were those good old English names Keith Ajegbo, Dina Kiwan and Seema Sharma.

    http://resources.cohesioninstitute.org.uk/Publications/Documents/Document/Default.aspx?recordId=48

    It contained the following, almost certainly from the Deptford school where two of the authors worked. Note that the kids quoted were all female. The quotes are depressing but illuminating.

    Negative perceptions of identity

    Some indigenous pupils’ experience of identity issues in the curriculum is that they have negative perceptions of their UK/English identities:

    You’re bored with it, you’re just British.
    White female, Year 10

    I’m not from a Caribbean country or an exotic country or even France or Spain. I’m from nowhere like that, I’m just plain British.
    White female Year 10

    It’s boring, I just want to be like from a different ‘race’, or a quarter something.
    White female KS2

  79. @Steve Sailer
    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, "Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren't so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I'm from Chicago. Are you sure you're making the right life decisions?"

    This program – Last Whites of the East End – Was broadcast 3 nights ago – somewhat surprisingly – on the BBC. It’s likely to be deleted from YouTube, so you, or anyone else outside of the UK, may want to save a copy on your hard drive using http://en.savefrom.net/

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    Good program despite the fact that the producers just can't help themselves with their multiculturalist brainwashing efforts. In a program focused on the Last Whites in the East End they prominently feature a half-black, a half-Indian, and a Bangladeshi who says that he's the most British of all of his childhood buddies who've moved away, thinking that British is a multicultural identity rather than a racial identity. There was no need to put up a multicultural cast, they should have just stuck to actual Cockneys.

    That Bangladeshi was right on the cusp of making some interesting points but while he went up to the precipice he never crossed over and then, when they showed him leading the Mosque effort, he retreated from what could have been some interesting personal development and viewpoints. The point I thought he was going to make was that as 1 of 3 colored kids growing up he, eventually, came to be accepted and this worked out well because he was a rarity and so his presence wasn't hugely disruptive to the community but unchecked multiculturalism has been disastrous and destroyed the community that he grew to adopt. He didn't say that, he simply said that he missed his old friends, he was sad that they moved away but didn't explain why they moved away, he talked about his loss of community, etc. In the end he didn't break stereotype, he remained true to his Muslim identity and fully embraced it when the numbers in the community put him into the majority group, meaning that his identity in childhood didn't actually take root, he's not British, he was always within the Muslim identity group.

    Wow, about those accents, I'm reminded of a scene from Band of Brothers when they're boarding the planes on D-Day and some American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying.
  80. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    Homosexuals?

  81. @josh
    Outside of some religious colleges like Thomas Aquinas University, which will remain niche, I don't think this would have much appeal. College is ridiculously easy and is marketed to the normal kids a kind of four year orgy (they will be disappointed, but won't admit it as that would make you a loser). Kids aren't particularly interested in learning anything. Public education drives out the idea that learning can be fun. Learning is really only ever enjoyable for smart inquisitive people, and these are the kids who can get an A just by showing up, paying half-attention and turning in whatever inane assignment is given in neat handwriting. There are no bonus points for figuring out that your history teacher is full of shit. School is just a factory job.

    The only way it might work is if they made it attractive by cutting costs to the bone.

    A friend, who is a cost accountant, said that the underlying cost of a college education, assuming old style instruction and facilities (tenured professor with a strong interest in teaching, blackboard, library, basic dorms, some playing fields etc), is about $30K/year given US wages. That’s about half of what colleges these days charge.

    But, a new, ab initio college won’t have an endowment to provide financial aid. All aid would have to be Federal.

    If it did start off with an endowment providing scholarships and such, then such a college would be a hit, regardless of tough entrance exams etc., simply because of low cost.

    But would it have a prestigious reputation for its methods in the world of 2016?

    Many types of employers wouldn’t care. An A+ grade from a demanding school is the same as an A+ grade from a party school. Ask anyone from Amherst who has competed against someone from Wesleyan in the job market.

    Graduate schools in the humanities wouldn’t care about the extra rigor either. Nowadays, they look askance at “reactionary” curricula.

    It is only STEM employers, graduate professional schools and graduate STEM schools that would look favorably on the graduates of such a college.

    But an undergraduate STEM education starts to get expensive to provide because of labs and workshops and such, undercutting the model…

    • Replies: @gcochran
    " $30K/year given US wages. " I don't believe a word of it.
  82. @robot
    Ad agencies can't afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    What worries me in the US south is white girls going to forcibly integrated public schools where black bullies dominate, so the girls have no option but to turn to them for protection... and quickly find themselves single mothers of mixed-race kids. How can we not hate Brown vs Board?

    Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    Really? So why the ‘holiday’ ads in america and cheerioes commercial , etc?
    They sure as hell can afford to do so especially if the brand is monopolistic< like google and and its hyper-pc doodles.

    Also, in America, i believe the obama administration via the EEO, went after companies that had whites in their advertisements (like Abercrombie and Fitch) with the excuse that it would it not imply they were not friendly to hiring minorities.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    IIRC, it was in the 90s that somebody, maybe not the Feds, went after the NYT for featuring only white people in their real estate ads. Everybody, and I mean Everybody, got the message which is why you now see micegenation (sp?) in TV ads, with the transgendered bringing up the rear.

    So to speak.
  83. @Steve Sailer
    It's striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.

    See: Hillsdale College in Michigan.

  84. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    With “men” such as Sick Duck to choose from, who can blame them?

  85. @Bill B.
    When I originally saw that I was surprised and followed up the source articles. It seemed to me then that the high numbers were pulled from thin air. (Barry Obama's half-brother is there of course.)

    This from a Nanfang article:

    "Even before the Exit-Entry Administration Law was passed last year, the African community in Guangzhou was already under pressure with the Guangdong Act of 2011. The Act rewards people who snitch on those who overstay their visas, forbids illegal immigrants to work or study, and gives any police officer the authority to stop foreigners to verify their passports. A Ugandan told Lan Shanshan, a research assistant professor at Baptist University:

    “A visa is not a 100 per cent guarantee here. When police stop you, if you do not look like a pleasant person to them, they may draw the line on your visa and cancel it. They say, ‘China gives, China takes.’”

    “The Act rewards people who snitch on those who overstay their visas, forbids illegal immigrants to work or study, and gives any police officer the authority to stop foreigners to verify their passports. A Ugandan told Lan Shanshan, a research assistant professor at Baptist University:
    ‘A visa is not a 100 per cent guarantee here. When police stop you, if you do not look like a pleasant person to them, they may draw the line on your visa and cancel it. They say, ‘China gives, China takes.””

    Hey, these are great ideas! First gunpowder, now this! Is someone taking notes for our 2017 legislative session?

  86. Cryptogenic [AKA "Gentile Ben"] says:
    @Whiskey
    No one has disproved Satoshi Kanazawa's work. That Black men are the most attractive to women of all races. And conversely, Black women the least attractive to men of all races. Chinese women and White Italian women alike seem covered by that research as depicted in the two ads.

    BUT ... China is significantly different than Italy. First, it is NOT female dominated. All ads and pretty much everything has to pass through Party censors and ultimately dictates of the Central Committee or nowadays President Xi Xinping and his personal appointees. China is very much patriarchal and allows plays to female sensibilities only up to a point. There was an ad that had a pretty Chinese woman saying she'd rather cry in the back of a Mercedes than be happy on the back of a motorcycle. It was pulled due to male rage.

    Secondly, the one-child policy and selective sex abortions of girls has left China a political and social powder keg. There are millions and millions of Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend, or even sex without prostitution, let alone marry. All those missing girls have their impact. Anything suggesting Chinese women prefer foreigners ESPECIALLY AFRICANS is a recipe for revolution that President Xi Xinping in particular is not too keen on having about.

    In my own time at Tsinghua University at Beijing I was told by students that African exchange students would monopolize the hottest Chinese coeds and bully/intimidate Chinese male students who were smaller and weaker. Right up until 100 or so of their friends showed up and gave all the Africans a beating or worse -- like tossing off a roof top. Africans are not much liked in China by Chinese men for this reason and the Chinese as heirs to a 5,000 year old civilization don't much care what Westerners think. See the failure of the Hollywood types on Tibet.

    Thirdly, Italian women don't need to obtain male resources to start a family and provide for themselves in old age (they think at least). Chinese women know there is no pension or medical care for them outside their workplace, China being a communist country it has no social welfare program, and what their mates can provide.

    Chinese women are every bit as hypergamous and sexually drawn to low IQ, impulsive, violent, socially dominant, and darker men as every other women. Unlike Italian/Western women they cannot simply give in as they live in the Communist Version of Jane Austen's world. Without a good match no kids or retirement. That means prospects, in-laws, etc.

    What's wrong with the West is at its core its women don't want or need or show any loyalty to their men; figuring with female logic that absurdities can go on forever. Not understanding how quickly things collapse. The social welfare state as substitute for marriage; mass media consumerism aimed at women, Diversity as State Religion to beat Communism and National Liberation movements are contributors. But that's the core of it.

    Imagine that ad in America in say, 1950.

    There is no indication that Chinese/East Asian women prefer black men.

    I haven’t got a link to the study on hand but I recall a minor stir over the supposed anti-black racism of East Asian females in American colleges because they overwhelmingly preferred white boyfriends. Even if black men give them ‘gina tingles, they’ve been smart enough thus far to resist burning the coal.

    I’ve heard several variations of these apocryphal stories of African students “monopolizing” Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys. I think “monopolize” here means “rape.” Kind of like how black soldiers “monopolize” Okinawan women.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "these apocryphal stories of African students “monopolizing” Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys"

    Not so apocryphal...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

  87. @Jefferson
    Oprah Winfrey's Black female friend Gayle King said in an interview on the Bravo channel that she is not open to dating White men and Nonblack men in general. She did not get fired from her morning news job at CBS. She was not even forced to make a public apology.

    If a White female who works in the mainstream media openly said that she is not open to dating Black men, she would either lose her job or be forced to publicly apologize. If she was lucky enough to keep her job, she would be forced to watch a diversity sensitivity video that was narrated by Khloe Kardashian, lol.

    “Oprah Winfrey’s Black female friend Gayle King said in an interview on the Bravo channel that she is not open to dating White….IF A WHITE FEMALE”

    A bit of googling reveals this to be completely false. Kristin Chenoweth said she’d never done it with black men and Gayle King said she’d never done it with white men and both seemed to agree not to rule it out.

    No double standards, nothing to see here at all! Nobody really minds all that much if people date within their own race. Yes, if you go out of your way to proclaim that you’d never date a person of X race, it’d annoy people but only because it’s unnecessarily rude. Leggy models may not date short guys or fat guys but there’s no particular need for them to announce it to the world, is there?

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, "Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren't so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I'm from Chicago. Are you sure you're making the right life decisions?"

    Those kids must be thirty and over, by now, Steve, and probably parents themselves.

    From what I gather, of today’s current crop of school kids in London, only a small proportion, perhaps 20% or so are white, and an even smaller proportion are actually ethnically English.
    It follows that whole sectors of the London labor market must be dominated by non whites.
    What the ultimate ramifications of this are, I do not know.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Percent secondary pupils who are non-"white British"
    England 23.4
    London (total) 65.6
    Inner London 80.7
    Outer London 58.7


    Percent secondary pupils 1st language not English
    England 12.3
    London (total) 37.3
    Inner London 48.9
    Outer London 32


    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/datablog/2012/apr/12/london-school-pupils-poverty-race

  89. @Ed
    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I'd revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you'd have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.

    Agree. Note that you’d also have to unplug every federal subsidy and everything that could remotely be construed as a federal subsidy, or else you’ll have the social re-engineers all over you.

  90. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    That’s interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. Blacks are about 13% of America’s population vs. 3.5% of England’s. Intermarriage rates by blacks are probably a lot higher in England due to the simple fact that they exist there in lower concentration, and thus are more likely to marry out. I would guess the intermarriage rate by American whites is higher, however, since blacks are a far higher percentage of the population.

    Other explanations is that England is far more urbanized than America, so it’s harder for whites to escape cities with large numbers of blacks, and the fact that blacks started arriving in large numbers in England only after race realism became a thoughtcrime.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    >>That’s interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. <<

    Seems fairly ubiquitous in mixed working class areas where there are white women & Afro-Caribbean black men, so London Manchester Birmingham; not much in Scotland due to lack of blacks. I think it's very specifically the Afro-Caribbean men, certainly not eg Somalis.

    BTW it's not too uncommon to see black man/white woman couples, even married. A lot of Afro-Caribbeans are in the upper working & lower-middle classes, with jobs, sometimes small businesses. It's not just an underclass phenomenon.
    , @anon
    Immigrants arrived right in the middle of urban working class areas of the UK without any segregation like there is/was in the US.

    This allowed the r/K mechanism to take effect.
    , @Triumph104
    It is a mistake to go by marriage rates since most black and interracial children are born out-of-wedlock.

    In the US 72 percent of children with a black mother are born out-of-wedlock. A 2015 study says that 97 percent of biracial children with a white mother and black father are born out-of-wedlock.

    I don't have data for the UK, but it certainly appears that most biracial children are born out-of-wedlock. I don't think child support is enforced in the UK and welfare is plentiful, which leads to these startling types of stories:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728767/Mother-eight-lives-2k-month-benefits-says-use-surrogate-TWO-children.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529393/Unemployed-mother-two-borrows-1-700-EIGHT-payday-loan-companies-buy-hundreds-Christmas-presents-children-says-pay-back.html

  91. @Truth
    My question is; why the hell do the Chinese need to copy everything?

    Not copied, lampooned. Emphasis on poon.

  92. ctrl-f ‘pol’. if you don’t read it, you should dip in whenever you have a lull in news. There are 2: 4chan and 8chan’s, respectively:

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/catalog

    http://8ch.net/pol/catalog.html

    It’s pretty much the font of politically incorrect news. There’s a danger though, it’ll make it harder to get anything done.

  93. Apparently the pairing of lower class English women and blacks was common enough in late 18th century London that Horgarth depicted such a coupling in one of his satirical “Four Times of the Day” paintings that depicted life in the city.

    • Replies: @5371
    Because no cartoonist would dream of depicting demographically non-representative persons or situations!
  94. @Steve Sailer
    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, "Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren't so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I'm from Chicago. Are you sure you're making the right life decisions?"

    You’ve got the British government subsidizing hate preachers. You expect any logic on the modern-day Sceptered Isle?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    He's had his collar felt, and is due to stand trial (four days after the Brexit vote; we shall see ...).
    Section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 : inviting support of a proscribed organisation.
    Got bail originally, broke it, slung into Belmarsh bangup, bailed again for £15k.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633598/Anjem-Choudary-trial-postponed-ISIS
  95. @Wilkey
    That's interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. Blacks are about 13% of America's population vs. 3.5% of England's. Intermarriage rates by blacks are probably a lot higher in England due to the simple fact that they exist there in lower concentration, and thus are more likely to marry out. I would guess the intermarriage rate by American whites is higher, however, since blacks are a far higher percentage of the population.

    Other explanations is that England is far more urbanized than America, so it's harder for whites to escape cities with large numbers of blacks, and the fact that blacks started arriving in large numbers in England only after race realism became a thoughtcrime.

    >>That’s interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. <<

    Seems fairly ubiquitous in mixed working class areas where there are white women & Afro-Caribbean black men, so London Manchester Birmingham; not much in Scotland due to lack of blacks. I think it's very specifically the Afro-Caribbean men, certainly not eg Somalis.

    BTW it's not too uncommon to see black man/white woman couples, even married. A lot of Afro-Caribbeans are in the upper working & lower-middle classes, with jobs, sometimes small businesses. It's not just an underclass phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Also a lot of Polish women and Nigerian men
  96. @Steve Sailer
    I visited London in 1980 and 1987. I can recall riding the tube into Victoria Station in 1987 on my honeymoon and thinking, "Wow, the last time I was on this train there weren't so many white single mothers (without wedding rings) with half-black babies. Ladies of London, I'm from Chicago. Are you sure you're making the right life decisions?"

    What about Canada vs US? I lived in Montreal for a while recently and everyday walking in the city or in the subway I saw at least one interracial couple, most days more than one. Mostly white women (some pretty attractive) with black men. Now and then even white men with black girls. And a few couples with mixed-race babies. Never saw that number of interracial couples in the US. I think Canada has a less radical approach to miscegenation.

  97. Are my eyes well? Am I reading this correctly?

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.

    How is the first ad a “clever idea” rather than a disgusting exercise in blatant racism?

    May God have mercy on these hypocrites.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    How is the first ad a “clever idea” rather than a disgusting exercise in blatant racism?
     
    Touché.
  98. If the makers of that Chinese commercial had just made the “before” guy White instead of Black, there obviously would have been no problem.

    In the immortal words of Nigel Tufnel: “Such a fine line between stupid and . . . clever.”

  99. @5371
    I would expect any poll pushed by Scamnasty to be fraudulent.

    So do I, but still, it’s interesting…whereas Russians supposedly are quite open about being xenophobes, Chinese supposedly at least pretend to care about “refugees”. I wonder why that is (or if that poll has been purposefully falsified by Amnesty, what’s the purpose behind making Chinese look “tolerant”).

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    As always I think one would have to look at what questions were asked, in what order, etc.

    But to answer your point I think the key is that the Chinese are "sentimental".

    It is a vast country that has suffered terrible hardships; their history is steeped in this. They recognise when others have problems.

    But that does not mean that are willing to toss their own lifestyles and contentment out of the window as a result.

    EG I remember when the Vietnamese refugees were landing in Hong Kong in large numbers and filling up refugee camps in the land-starved territory. A call for spare clothing (it gets cold in winter) received an overwhelming public response. But there was absolutely never a question of permitting all but a tiny handful of the refugees to remain permanently. (Beijing also made clear it wanted the issue sorted before the 1997 handover; even though they were mostly ethnic Chinese and had hopped along the coast in boats to get to Hong Kong.)
  100. The commercials are agist, anti-fat people, patrician, matrician, homophobic, sexist, racist, auto-racist, running dog capitalist. Can I have some more please.

  101. anon • Disclaimer says:

    According to the Washington Post:

    China and India have a huge problem with racism toward black people

    Once they’ve destroyed western civ the bad guys will move to east Asia and start on them.

    They want a global plantation filled with low IQ slave-cattle.

    #

    I expect there are a lot of perma-stagnant alien planets out there exactly like that.

  102. @Ed
    Christianity rising in China? They just removed nearly 2000 crosses from clandestine churches. It's not rising anywhere.

    Well if the atheist commie government is having to remove crosses that kind of disputes your point.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    if the atheist commie government is having to remove crosses that kind of disputes your point.
     
    Oh definitely. Brutal suppression of something is evidence of that thing's ubiquity. That's how we know for a fact that parts of Europe and North America used to be full of witches.
  103. @Anonymous
    Actually, there was a real, historic anti-pope back in the middle ages.

    For a while, there were two.

  104. SFG says:
    @Ed
    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I'd revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you'd have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.

    Great Books schools: St. John’s in Annapolis, Thomas Aquinas, etc.

    It’s a niche, but not an unsuccessful one for those schools.

    There really aren’t that many 18-year-olds interested in the Western intellectual tradition. Smart, inquisitive kids are either playing with computers or looking to advance their careers, which is better done by mouthing the PC line at Harvard or Yale so you get into a good law school, I-bank, or consulting firm.

    • Replies: @anon

    There really aren’t that many 18-year-olds interested in the Western intellectual tradition.
     
    Yes there are. It's a reaction to the anti-white poisoning in the schools.
  105. @Bill B.
    Yeah but Korean-Japanese look and are Japanese. I went out with a "Japanese" girl in Hong Kong who turned out to have a Korean passport even though she spoke no Korean, was to all intents and purposes Japanese, was several generations in Japan.

    The Japanese are cautious.

    So ummm .... I don't think there are going to be any immigration invasions over there.

    The Japanese have (been assimilating/been rolled over by) Koreans since forever. Since Yayoi times at least.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture

    “I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche,” he told reporters.
    Kammu, reigned Japan from 781 to 806 AD, while Muryong ruled the Paekche Kingdom in Korea from 501 to 523 AD. – Emperor Akihito, AD 2001

    It would be like UK Brits being prejudiced against Normands, or Danes (they are, but only in savage, backwards provinces like Yorkshire and Ireland).

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Ireland has not been a province of the UK since 1916.
    , @Che Guava
    The current emperor threw himself out of favour with the right with that accurate quote, and since the centre here is far to the 'right' of acceptable opinion in Europe or English-speaking countries, my right-wing friends and friendly acquaintances do not like the Heisei emperor, on one occasion in particular, a kind of friend, and contemporary, was ranting about his love for the emperor system.

    I asked him which emperor he meant by his love for the emperor system. He unhesitatingly answered 'Showa emperor', Hirohito in other words.

    The rightists have a little faith that the crown prince will be more to their liking, but his wife has more than a little Princess Dianna syndrome. Although there is no doubt that she will never behave so ridiculously.

    In any case, the nobility at the capital around 500 A.D. consisted of

    60% from the Korean peninsula, most from Paekche, but also from Silla (or Shin'rya), and from the trading federation at the tip, the other polity in the peninsula at the time, Koguryeo, not, it seems,

    20% from China.

    20% native.

    Of course the later wars and shogunates would turn that on its head, but that was the situation soon after literacy was introduced to (or by, they were likely refugees from Paekche) the court.

    Everything earlier, apart from a few accounts in China, sword and mirror engravings from the Korean peninsula, some of the myths about arrivals from Silla, is pre-literate.
  106. “What’s wrong with the West is at its core its women don’t want or need or show any loyalty to their men; figuring with female logic that absurdities can go on forever.”

    ChiCom soldier’s take on communism: “woman-hearted on the outside, devil-hearted inside.”

  107. SFG says:
    @whorefinder
    China's commercial: we like our own race.

    Italian: cuck us!

    That was my thought as well. The Chinese guy who comes out of the washing machine is *less* manly than the black guy who goes in–but he’s Chinese, and that’s what the Chinese lady cares about.

    Hey, why not. 4000 years of culture. You know, maybe this sort of thing is what Europe needs to rediscover a sense of pride (if it survives). The Chinese had the Opium Wars and British domination.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Boyish looking men are more popular among Asian women than they are among white or other non-Asian women. So the scale is somewhat shifted relative to non-Asian women.
  108. @Jefferson
    Any Nonblack man who thinks it is racist for Chinese women to prefer their own kind Chinese men over Black men, is a Cuck who has sexual fantasies about his girlfriend or wife being screwed by a Black man.

    How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes.
     
    The satisfaction people get from using that idiotic neologism seems to trump their common sense. I suppose using that word makes them feel au courant, but it's hard for me to take seriously someone who thinks in slogans and buzzwords.

    Read the comments in any "alternative" right blog or news article—people are subbing variants of "cuck" for all parts of speech. It reminds me of how the Smurfs talked in those old cartoons.
    , @Jefferson
    "How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes."

    Yes they all have cuckold fetishes and were raised to believe that all Nonblack women on the planet sexually desire Black men over men from their own race.

    That is why Social Justice Warriors were offended to see a commercial where a Chinese woman prefers her own kind a Chinese man over a Black man.

    To Millennial Social Justice Warriors, no Nonblack woman on the planet can sexually resist a Black man, after all they grew up watching reality show garbage like the Kardashians.
  109. @BenKenobi
    I'm with you on this one - for a people who have been subjected to cradle to grave anti-white and pro-miscegenation race propaganda for several generations now -- the rate it actually happens is astonishingly low.

    Anecdotally, most of the White people I know "keep it in the skin". Even if they would rather sacrifice their first born than articulate such a thought in front of other human beings.

    It’s getting harder as the white fraction shrinks.

  110. @Daniel H
    >>I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration.....blah, blah, blah blah.

    You're wrong. African immigration to China is a non-starter. It's not something that the Chinese spend even 2 seconds worrying about, unlike Germans or Italians whose minds should be preoccupied with the problem 24x7 if they wish to keep their country for their posterity.

    Yes, we wouldn’t them to get spooked early would we.

    The tactics used to destroy east and south Asians will be different – more bribery and less “we are the world” but the aim will be the same: a mass of low IQ slave-cattle.

  111. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    In my upper-middle-class neighborhood the Asian-white mix is pretty common. It’s about the only one I can think of predominantly associated with upper socioeconomic strata.

  112. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    it’s usually either that or homosexuals

  113. iSteveFan says:

    Guys on this blog have noted the MSM often runs articles about a dying Japan which could save itself if only it would open up to mass immigration. Japan has steadfastly refused and remains the world’s third largest economy with a very high quality of life.

    Now they are bringing up China and India’s racism towards blacks. Do they seriously believe they are going to pressure the Chinese and Indians to change their cultural norms? I doubt it. And just like Japan keeps on humming, I doubt China or India are going to miss a beat for not following the American MSM’s advice on their treatment of blacks.

    Therefore, what is the point of even bringing this up? The whole point about controlling the narrative is to make people bow down to you by publicly criticizing them. But when people won’t bow down, you only make yourself look weak by continuing to harangue them. This might give others a sense that they too can resist. Also it lets whites in America know, contrary to the narrative, that they are not they only prejudiced people in the world.

    In other words this line of attack on China and India by the American MSM is a loser issue for them. Why even pursue it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The MSM has little influence in China and Japan, whereas it dominates media and culture in the US and the West. China and Japan are much more insulated from the US MSM than Europe is. If you go to Europe, so many people speak English, especially the educated and professionals, and the penetration of the MSM is thick and immediately apparent. While in China and Japan, even the elites speak no or bad English. I also think China and Japan are protected by their written scripts, which I believe are the only non-alphabetic scripts in use today. Becoming highly literate in them in order to effectively communicate MSM ideas requires too much investment, so most of the MSM doesn't bother. Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.
  114. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    I know you’re trolling but as a lot of ppl say this for real what actually happens is

    it’s r/K (loose definition of) plus PC

    1) r males put everything up front, flash car, clothes, all cash is spending cash etc; K males build or save for nests.

    2) the r strategy doesn’t work very well on adult females but it works very well on females when they’re very young.

    3) so r males target the very young

    4) there are white r males and black K males

    5) black and white K males don’t do it and the system chases off white r males who target very young girls so that only leaves black r males; the system used to chase off black r males as well but then they stopped cos racism

    so it’s black r males chasing girls when they’re young and dumb enough to fall for it combined with the system built up to protect girls when they’re that age being neutralized by PC

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Sick Duck, with his sub-90 IQ, writes his little posts and guys with IQs two, three, or four SDs above his try to educate him. I do not think this is productive. His joy comes from annoying you and wasting your time. He is not interested in your superior knowledge.
  115. @Cagey Beast
    I think it's too easy to just blame ((that group)). Globalism, ethno-masochism, pandering to the resentments of women consumers and the fetishizing of Blacks are all part of postwar consumer capitalism on this side of the old Iron Curtain.

    that would only be true if the demographics of advertising were the same as everywhere else and they’re not

  116. @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzyaa2tfwBk

    i wanna know if that Chinese guy has been stabbed yet.

  117. @advancedatheist
    Chinese men hear from their overseas relatives that Chinese women don't want to date them when these women have access to white and black men, hence the stereotype in Western countries about male Asian immigrant virgins.

    I'd like to see some studies about this, because Hispanic men in the U.S. don't have a problem with finding Hispanic women from the same migration for sex and marriage. What could account for the difference?

    “Hispanics” tend to be more adherent to basic gender roles. The men are masculine and the women are feminine. Other ethnic groups have one or both sexes out of whack.

  118. @Truth
    My question is; why the hell do the Chinese need to copy everything?

    when you’re catching up you’re going to copy – the big question is what they do after they’re all caught up

  119. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    Mao apologists on iSteve
    I’ve seen it all.

  120. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader
    Well, I've never been to China, and if I recall correctly, had only one real conversation ever with a person of Chinese ethnicity (funnily enough he promptly gave me his business card, and also innocently asked some obnoxious biology student about differences between human populations...that one at least did behave in a rather stereotypical manner). I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.
    When polls (admittedly done by Amnesty) come to such conclusions
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-amnesty-report-idUSKCN0YA06A
    that is ranking China together with thoroughly demented Germany and Britain, I do wonder. But I'd be interested to read about your personal experiences in China.

    I just wonder if people in China are really as ethnocentric as Western nationalists often make them out to be.

    The people might be and the current political elite might be but the business elite maybe not so much.

    The big question for China is if the people and current political elite can prevent the business elite taking over (no doubt with international help).

  121. @robot
    Ad agencies can't afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    What worries me in the US south is white girls going to forcibly integrated public schools where black bullies dominate, so the girls have no option but to turn to them for protection... and quickly find themselves single mothers of mixed-race kids. How can we not hate Brown vs Board?

    Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.

    How many ads like that were made?

  122. @Anonymous
    According to NEWS.com.au, the italian ad was clever, but the chinese ad is racist.

    It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.
     

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/is-this-the-most-racist-commercial-ever-made/news-story/b7c1a0895364c79b32b9efb48302ed5f

    And I see that no comments were allowed on the Australian site…

  123. @Wilkey
    That's interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. Blacks are about 13% of America's population vs. 3.5% of England's. Intermarriage rates by blacks are probably a lot higher in England due to the simple fact that they exist there in lower concentration, and thus are more likely to marry out. I would guess the intermarriage rate by American whites is higher, however, since blacks are a far higher percentage of the population.

    Other explanations is that England is far more urbanized than America, so it's harder for whites to escape cities with large numbers of blacks, and the fact that blacks started arriving in large numbers in England only after race realism became a thoughtcrime.

    Immigrants arrived right in the middle of urban working class areas of the UK without any segregation like there is/was in the US.

    This allowed the r/K mechanism to take effect.

  124. @SFG
    Great Books schools: St. John's in Annapolis, Thomas Aquinas, etc.

    It's a niche, but not an unsuccessful one for those schools.

    There really aren't that many 18-year-olds interested in the Western intellectual tradition. Smart, inquisitive kids are either playing with computers or looking to advance their careers, which is better done by mouthing the PC line at Harvard or Yale so you get into a good law school, I-bank, or consulting firm.

    There really aren’t that many 18-year-olds interested in the Western intellectual tradition.

    Yes there are. It’s a reaction to the anti-white poisoning in the schools.

  125. @Brutusale
    You've got the British government subsidizing hate preachers. You expect any logic on the modern-day Sceptered Isle?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

    He’s had his collar felt, and is due to stand trial (four days after the Brexit vote; we shall see …).
    Section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 : inviting support of a proscribed organisation.
    Got bail originally, broke it, slung into Belmarsh bangup, bailed again for £15k.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633598/Anjem-Choudary-trial-postponed-ISIS

  126. @Wilkey
    That's interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. Blacks are about 13% of America's population vs. 3.5% of England's. Intermarriage rates by blacks are probably a lot higher in England due to the simple fact that they exist there in lower concentration, and thus are more likely to marry out. I would guess the intermarriage rate by American whites is higher, however, since blacks are a far higher percentage of the population.

    Other explanations is that England is far more urbanized than America, so it's harder for whites to escape cities with large numbers of blacks, and the fact that blacks started arriving in large numbers in England only after race realism became a thoughtcrime.

    It is a mistake to go by marriage rates since most black and interracial children are born out-of-wedlock.

    In the US 72 percent of children with a black mother are born out-of-wedlock. A 2015 study says that 97 percent of biracial children with a white mother and black father are born out-of-wedlock.

    I don’t have data for the UK, but it certainly appears that most biracial children are born out-of-wedlock. I don’t think child support is enforced in the UK and welfare is plentiful, which leads to these startling types of stories:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728767/Mother-eight-lives-2k-month-benefits-says-use-surrogate-TWO-children.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529393/Unemployed-mother-two-borrows-1-700-EIGHT-payday-loan-companies-buy-hundreds-Christmas-presents-children-says-pay-back.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The second child in the second story is white. Amazing. Maybe some do go back...

    They're in Devizes. As in,

    There was a young man of Devizes
    who had ears of quite different sizes.
    One was so small
    it heard nothing at all.
    The other was large, and won prizes.
  127. Chinese racist?

    Well, I never!

  128. @GW
    Well if the atheist commie government is having to remove crosses that kind of disputes your point.

    if the atheist commie government is having to remove crosses that kind of disputes your point.

    Oh definitely. Brutal suppression of something is evidence of that thing’s ubiquity. That’s how we know for a fact that parts of Europe and North America used to be full of witches.

  129. @SFG
    How does that follow? The 'colorblind' position may not make that much sense, but they don't *all* have cuckold fetishes.

    How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes.

    The satisfaction people get from using that idiotic neologism seems to trump their common sense. I suppose using that word makes them feel au courant, but it’s hard for me to take seriously someone who thinks in slogans and buzzwords.

    Read the comments in any “alternative” right blog or news article—people are subbing variants of “cuck” for all parts of speech. It reminds me of how the Smurfs talked in those old cartoons.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I don't believe it is a neologism.
  130. @advancedatheist
    Chinese men hear from their overseas relatives that Chinese women don't want to date them when these women have access to white and black men, hence the stereotype in Western countries about male Asian immigrant virgins.

    I'd like to see some studies about this, because Hispanic men in the U.S. don't have a problem with finding Hispanic women from the same migration for sex and marriage. What could account for the difference?

    In the US races are usually segregated. Hispanics and blacks live and go to school together, while Asians and whites cluster together. As Maria grows up she sees that Juan is adequately macho but more family oriented and less likely to cheat on her than D’Juan.

    While I have heard of white and black men with yellow fever, I don’t believe that sort of lust is common towards Hispanic women.

    Asian women value elite educations so the black men they meet at college are high functioning. Then there are the Priscilla Chans of the world who have done their research and head straight to the Jewish fraternities to find a mate.

    I’m too lazy to look but I think about a third of Asian American men marry interracially so they are not alone crying themselves to sleep at night. Increasingly Asian men are dating black women.

  131. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    But that violence wouldn’t have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine’s hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason.

    Well, there was that little thing called the Cold War……

  132. The Italian product was not detergent as everyone says, it was clothes dye, like the American “Rit” dye. The Italian woman dyes her white boyfriend black – get it? You can dye EVERYTHING using Coloreria Dye. Detergent won’t do that (but it will bleach your black boyfriend until he turns pale Chinese.) I guess when everyone is all inflamed by racism they’re too excited to notice little details like this. Of course the Chinese commercial (going from black to white (ok yellow)) is clueless racism but going from white to black is witty good fun.

  133. @SFG
    How does that follow? The 'colorblind' position may not make that much sense, but they don't *all* have cuckold fetishes.

    “How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes.”

    Yes they all have cuckold fetishes and were raised to believe that all Nonblack women on the planet sexually desire Black men over men from their own race.

    That is why Social Justice Warriors were offended to see a commercial where a Chinese woman prefers her own kind a Chinese man over a Black man.

    To Millennial Social Justice Warriors, no Nonblack woman on the planet can sexually resist a Black man, after all they grew up watching reality show garbage like the Kardashians.

    • Replies: @anon

    Yes they all have cuckold fetishes and were raised to believe that all Nonblack women on the planet sexually desire Black men over men from their own race.
     
    It's mostly a Jewish thing which is magnified by media influence.

    As we keep being told Jews apparently went through a phase where they specifically selected for IQ. The thing about that is if you select specifically for one thing then you're not selecting for others so Jews as a group (if not here) ended up with a slightly higher IQ (on average) but at the same time shorter and less physically attractive (on average).

    Then because they are dominant in the media they mirror project their own angst vis a vis Eurowhite males onto black > white as a kind of vicarious revenge.

    keyword: tall

    it's partly why they are so triggered by Trump

    (homosexuals are similar for similar reasons - revenge on straight white males - and they are also very dominant in the media)

    so it's nothing to do with black vs white really - it's anti-white revenge porn
  134. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    A certain group? Freemasons? Shriners? Could you give us a hint here? It certainly wouldn’t be Jooos – Italy has a very small Jewish community (even smaller after the Holocaust) with its own unique history that is neither Ashkenazi or Sephardic.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    I understand you taking a side on issues like this. Often times people will insinuate about a particular group when there is no evidence to support such a claim. But I think you ought to avoid using the "very small" community argument as a defense. The size of the community is almost immaterial so long as a few prominent members occupy certain positions. As we have seen in the USA groups can punch well above or below their weight.
  135. @Steve Sailer
    It's striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.

    Caltech has a diversity office. It covers so many groups you wonder why bother: women, underrepresented minorities, non-heterosexuals, disabled, and veterans.

    I was going to say that it was headed by a black woman, but it turns out that she is number three in a six-person office. The head is a Jewish woman, number two is an Asian woman, number four is a non-heterosexual male, five and six are Hispanic women.

    The black woman, director, is the only one in the office with a STEM degree(s), both from HBCUs. She worked for NASA for several years but took the route of many blacks and went into education. Taught high school science and got a doctorate in education. LINK.

  136. Wait’ll that Chinese girl finds out that some things shrink in the wash.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  137. @SFG
    That was my thought as well. The Chinese guy who comes out of the washing machine is *less* manly than the black guy who goes in--but he's Chinese, and that's what the Chinese lady cares about.

    Hey, why not. 4000 years of culture. You know, maybe this sort of thing is what Europe needs to rediscover a sense of pride (if it survives). The Chinese had the Opium Wars and British domination.

    Boyish looking men are more popular among Asian women than they are among white or other non-Asian women. So the scale is somewhat shifted relative to non-Asian women.

    • Replies: @anon
    r vs K again

    (loose definition)

    south and east Asians are more K because they've been farmers for longer

    Eurowhite people are in the middle hence why so many get hung up on stupid macho nonsense

    (not that macho is stupid just that there's a stupid version and a useful version)
  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iSteveFan
    Guys on this blog have noted the MSM often runs articles about a dying Japan which could save itself if only it would open up to mass immigration. Japan has steadfastly refused and remains the world's third largest economy with a very high quality of life.

    Now they are bringing up China and India's racism towards blacks. Do they seriously believe they are going to pressure the Chinese and Indians to change their cultural norms? I doubt it. And just like Japan keeps on humming, I doubt China or India are going to miss a beat for not following the American MSM's advice on their treatment of blacks.

    Therefore, what is the point of even bringing this up? The whole point about controlling the narrative is to make people bow down to you by publicly criticizing them. But when people won't bow down, you only make yourself look weak by continuing to harangue them. This might give others a sense that they too can resist. Also it lets whites in America know, contrary to the narrative, that they are not they only prejudiced people in the world.

    In other words this line of attack on China and India by the American MSM is a loser issue for them. Why even pursue it?

    The MSM has little influence in China and Japan, whereas it dominates media and culture in the US and the West. China and Japan are much more insulated from the US MSM than Europe is. If you go to Europe, so many people speak English, especially the educated and professionals, and the penetration of the MSM is thick and immediately apparent. While in China and Japan, even the elites speak no or bad English. I also think China and Japan are protected by their written scripts, which I believe are the only non-alphabetic scripts in use today. Becoming highly literate in them in order to effectively communicate MSM ideas requires too much investment, so most of the MSM doesn’t bother. Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.
     
    This is pretty far off topic, but I find that odious and disrespectful, just as bad as Latinos who move to the US and never learn English. My son lived in China for a time and he made the (considerable) effort needed to learn to read and write and speak Mandarin reasonably well. If you don't do that, you might as well stay home because you are never going to understand a culture if you are deaf, dumb and blind. When I traveled around China with him, my experience was totally different from what it would have been if I had stuck to places where they spoke English - that's only the tip of the iceberg in Chinese society. There are, as you say, expats in China (esp. Shanghai) who live in an expat bubble but why bother?
  139. @Cryptogenic
    There is no indication that Chinese/East Asian women prefer black men.

    I haven't got a link to the study on hand but I recall a minor stir over the supposed anti-black racism of East Asian females in American colleges because they overwhelmingly preferred white boyfriends. Even if black men give them 'gina tingles, they've been smart enough thus far to resist burning the coal.

    I've heard several variations of these apocryphal stories of African students "monopolizing" Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys. I think "monopolize" here means "rape." Kind of like how black soldiers "monopolize" Okinawan women.

    “these apocryphal stories of African students “monopolizing” Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys”

    Not so apocryphal…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Another item down the memory hole. Those Najing protests actually preceded and later spawned the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.
  140. @Anonymous
    Those kids must be thirty and over, by now, Steve, and probably parents themselves.

    From what I gather, of today's current crop of school kids in London, only a small proportion, perhaps 20% or so are white, and an even smaller proportion are actually ethnically English.
    It follows that whole sectors of the London labor market must be dominated by non whites.
    What the ultimate ramifications of this are, I do not know.

    Percent secondary pupils who are non-“white British”
    England 23.4
    London (total) 65.6
    Inner London 80.7
    Outer London 58.7

    Percent secondary pupils 1st language not English
    England 12.3
    London (total) 37.3
    Inner London 48.9
    Outer London 32

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/datablog/2012/apr/12/london-school-pupils-poverty-race

  141. iSteveFan says:
    @Jack D
    A certain group? Freemasons? Shriners? Could you give us a hint here? It certainly wouldn't be Jooos - Italy has a very small Jewish community (even smaller after the Holocaust) with its own unique history that is neither Ashkenazi or Sephardic.

    I understand you taking a side on issues like this. Often times people will insinuate about a particular group when there is no evidence to support such a claim. But I think you ought to avoid using the “very small” community argument as a defense. The size of the community is almost immaterial so long as a few prominent members occupy certain positions. As we have seen in the USA groups can punch well above or below their weight.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    When I say a small community I don't mean like in the US where Jews are circa 2% of the population, I mean small as in 0.04% - 25,000 out of 60 million. Small as in you could fit the entire Jewish population of the country in a basketball arena. And because they have been there continuously for 2,000 years, their culture differs very little from that of other Italians - Primo Levi used to say that the Italian Jews were just like other Italians except they didn't eat (pork) salami. So their position within Italian culture is nothing like that of Ashkenazi Jews in America or the rest of Europe.

    The whole "Jewish" stereotype is really an Ashkenazi stereotype that grew out of the role of the Ashkenazi Jews as a mercantile minority in E. Europe (not unlike the overseas Chinese in the rest of Asia) - if for example you examine the traditional position of the Bukharan Jews in Central Asian society their main occupation was yarn dyeing, so if you ranted to a (pre-Russian occupation) Uzbek about the perfidious influence of the Joos on society they would look at you like you were nuts.
  142. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    The enemy of your enemy is NOT necessarily your friend. Mao was a very bad dude no matter how you figure. It’s one thing to maintain the independence of your country from libtards in order to preserve its national character and culture, it’s another to do that in order to keep your own cult of personality in power, ala Stalin, Mao and the Kim family of N. Korea.

  143. @Steve Sailer
    "these apocryphal stories of African students “monopolizing” Chinese coeds and being dealt with by mobs of Chinese guys"

    Not so apocryphal...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    Another item down the memory hole. Those Najing protests actually preceded and later spawned the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

  144. I think there is currently only one culture in the world where this ad in the italian version is unthinkable (East Asians are kind of ambivalent): the muslim world. Which leads to the awkward observation that in the long term the muslim way of reproduction might be problematic in terms of IQ-loss than the non-muslim way, despite the problems the Muslims have with marriage between first-degrees cousins. Also this is again something which makes the Houellebecq idea of changing to Islam interesting, both for Europeans and Chinese.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    it should be "the muslim way of reproduction might be LESS problematic in terms of IQ-loss"
    , @German_reader
    I don't understand your reasoning here...Arabs may be pretty racist towards blacks, but at least on an "official" level Islam is colour-blind.
    And Europeans or Chinese adopting Islam would mean large-scale erasure of their cultural traditions...just look at what has remained of classical antiquity in the Arab-speaking Near East. Not an attractive prospect.
  145. @iSteveFan
    I understand you taking a side on issues like this. Often times people will insinuate about a particular group when there is no evidence to support such a claim. But I think you ought to avoid using the "very small" community argument as a defense. The size of the community is almost immaterial so long as a few prominent members occupy certain positions. As we have seen in the USA groups can punch well above or below their weight.

    When I say a small community I don’t mean like in the US where Jews are circa 2% of the population, I mean small as in 0.04% – 25,000 out of 60 million. Small as in you could fit the entire Jewish population of the country in a basketball arena. And because they have been there continuously for 2,000 years, their culture differs very little from that of other Italians – Primo Levi used to say that the Italian Jews were just like other Italians except they didn’t eat (pork) salami. So their position within Italian culture is nothing like that of Ashkenazi Jews in America or the rest of Europe.

    The whole “Jewish” stereotype is really an Ashkenazi stereotype that grew out of the role of the Ashkenazi Jews as a mercantile minority in E. Europe (not unlike the overseas Chinese in the rest of Asia) – if for example you examine the traditional position of the Bukharan Jews in Central Asian society their main occupation was yarn dyeing, so if you ranted to a (pre-Russian occupation) Uzbek about the perfidious influence of the Joos on society they would look at you like you were nuts.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Isn't it a bit reductive to see anti-Jewish attitudes as caused just by the economic role of Jews in Eastern Europe? The religious element certainly must have played a large role as well, at least up to the 19th century (e.g. all those accusations of Jews desecrating the host, the blood libel).
    And concerning economic motivations, those stereotypes seem to be fairly old...Simon de Montfort's followers were already attacking and killing Jewish "usurers" in England in the 1260s.
    But I suppose you're right about Jews in Italy...if I'm not mistaken some were actually even ardent fascists and supporters of Italian colonial expansion (at least before the late 1930s when Mussolini's regime became more antisemitic).
    , @Glaivester
    So you're saying it's not the "Joooooos," it's the "Voooooooos Vooooooooooooooooos?"
  146. @5371
    "Most" is a wild exaggeration in any London neighborhood I have seen or know of. But there are many where most have two non-white parents.

    I agree. Even in Hackney, a poor London borough that is famous for its poor single mums with black babies, where I used to drive through frequently and lived in for a time, the number of actual 100% white women with black children is somewhat less than people imagine. I remember counting them on a number of occasions and it was never more than around 5%.

    Anyway, why is it not completely obvious to everyone, including even the goofiest libtard journalist, that the advertisements are either both equally racist or both equally non-racist. How can one be objectionable and the other okay? It is impossible to justify such a position.

  147. @Erik Sieven
    I think there is currently only one culture in the world where this ad in the italian version is unthinkable (East Asians are kind of ambivalent): the muslim world. Which leads to the awkward observation that in the long term the muslim way of reproduction might be problematic in terms of IQ-loss than the non-muslim way, despite the problems the Muslims have with marriage between first-degrees cousins. Also this is again something which makes the Houellebecq idea of changing to Islam interesting, both for Europeans and Chinese.

    it should be “the muslim way of reproduction might be LESS problematic in terms of IQ-loss”

  148. @Jefferson
    Russell Peters said there is a word in Chinese that sounds exactly like the N word, but actually means something else.
    https://youtu.be/pfzorq4RH20

    “na ge” pronounced “niga” meaning “that one”, so it is used frequently.

  149. @Anonymous
    The MSM has little influence in China and Japan, whereas it dominates media and culture in the US and the West. China and Japan are much more insulated from the US MSM than Europe is. If you go to Europe, so many people speak English, especially the educated and professionals, and the penetration of the MSM is thick and immediately apparent. While in China and Japan, even the elites speak no or bad English. I also think China and Japan are protected by their written scripts, which I believe are the only non-alphabetic scripts in use today. Becoming highly literate in them in order to effectively communicate MSM ideas requires too much investment, so most of the MSM doesn't bother. Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.

    Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.

    This is pretty far off topic, but I find that odious and disrespectful, just as bad as Latinos who move to the US and never learn English. My son lived in China for a time and he made the (considerable) effort needed to learn to read and write and speak Mandarin reasonably well. If you don’t do that, you might as well stay home because you are never going to understand a culture if you are deaf, dumb and blind. When I traveled around China with him, my experience was totally different from what it would have been if I had stuck to places where they spoke English – that’s only the tip of the iceberg in Chinese society. There are, as you say, expats in China (esp. Shanghai) who live in an expat bubble but why bother?

    • Replies: @Chuck
    Easy lays and maybe eventually a wife you can bring back to the States?
  150. @Jack D
    When I say a small community I don't mean like in the US where Jews are circa 2% of the population, I mean small as in 0.04% - 25,000 out of 60 million. Small as in you could fit the entire Jewish population of the country in a basketball arena. And because they have been there continuously for 2,000 years, their culture differs very little from that of other Italians - Primo Levi used to say that the Italian Jews were just like other Italians except they didn't eat (pork) salami. So their position within Italian culture is nothing like that of Ashkenazi Jews in America or the rest of Europe.

    The whole "Jewish" stereotype is really an Ashkenazi stereotype that grew out of the role of the Ashkenazi Jews as a mercantile minority in E. Europe (not unlike the overseas Chinese in the rest of Asia) - if for example you examine the traditional position of the Bukharan Jews in Central Asian society their main occupation was yarn dyeing, so if you ranted to a (pre-Russian occupation) Uzbek about the perfidious influence of the Joos on society they would look at you like you were nuts.

    Isn’t it a bit reductive to see anti-Jewish attitudes as caused just by the economic role of Jews in Eastern Europe? The religious element certainly must have played a large role as well, at least up to the 19th century (e.g. all those accusations of Jews desecrating the host, the blood libel).
    And concerning economic motivations, those stereotypes seem to be fairly old…Simon de Montfort’s followers were already attacking and killing Jewish “usurers” in England in the 1260s.
    But I suppose you’re right about Jews in Italy…if I’m not mistaken some were actually even ardent fascists and supporters of Italian colonial expansion (at least before the late 1930s when Mussolini’s regime became more antisemitic).

  151. @Erik Sieven
    I think there is currently only one culture in the world where this ad in the italian version is unthinkable (East Asians are kind of ambivalent): the muslim world. Which leads to the awkward observation that in the long term the muslim way of reproduction might be problematic in terms of IQ-loss than the non-muslim way, despite the problems the Muslims have with marriage between first-degrees cousins. Also this is again something which makes the Houellebecq idea of changing to Islam interesting, both for Europeans and Chinese.

    I don’t understand your reasoning here…Arabs may be pretty racist towards blacks, but at least on an “official” level Islam is colour-blind.
    And Europeans or Chinese adopting Islam would mean large-scale erasure of their cultural traditions…just look at what has remained of classical antiquity in the Arab-speaking Near East. Not an attractive prospect.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.
  152. @Andrew

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.
     
    No more so than the crackpot American theory of "Rain follows the plow."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_follows_the_plow

    Most of the deaths attributed to Mao were actually the result of collectivized farming and crackpot communist agricultural theories…

    So you’re saying Mao was fool, not knave. Hmm.

    No more so than the crackpot American theory of “Rain follows the plow.”

    MMMM, I must have missed the bit in American history textbooks where they talk about the massive famine that killed millions…….

  153. @SitUbu
    Apparently the pairing of lower class English women and blacks was common enough in late 18th century London that Horgarth depicted such a coupling in one of his satirical "Four Times of the Day" paintings that depicted life in the city.

    Because no cartoonist would dream of depicting demographically non-representative persons or situations!

    • Replies: @SitUbu
    I say didn't it was supposed to be representative of anything. I only suggested that such couplings were probably a visible phenomenon in London back then. Sure Hogarth intended the depiction to be humorous, but popular humor has to be based on some reality shared between the humorist and his audience.
  154. @Jefferson
    Russell Peters said there is a word in Chinese that sounds exactly like the N word, but actually means something else.
    https://youtu.be/pfzorq4RH20

    Yeah, that’s true particularly of young women speaking Mandarin. They use “niga” as much as “like” in Valley Girl speech.

  155. Interesting contrast. I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They’re officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.

    There’s plenty of southeast Asian and subcontinental coolie labor to be had. Africans will be the last population China allows to settle in numbers.

    Black Men attract white girls because white “men” cannot satisfy their women.

    But white men attract yellow women because yellow women are color-blind, and Bravery of Love. Yes, we know.

    It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.

    Yes, quite the contrast with the Italian commercial on that score. WTF?

    Bill B, China still has the advantage of having plenty of dirt-poor Chinese around to use as cheap labor. Once all of that is gone is when the pressure starts. I wouldn’t put the kind of race-treachery white elites get up to past the Chinese elite. The Japs and the Koreans, they ain’t. But, like I said, there are smarter, harder-working, and closer cheap-labor demographics for east Asians to access.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    African immigrants aren't even used as cheap labor in Europe and the US. It's not like Peugeot and VW plants in Europe are filled with African immigrants. They're mostly on welfare. The Somalis in Minnesota aren't working as miners in the Iron Range or something.
  156. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    Black Men attract white girls because white “men” cannot satisfy their women.

    All these years my wife has been faking it? Damn!

  157. @Ttjy
    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    I wonder if there was a member of a certain group who had a hand in the Italian commercial.

    Perfectly fair to blame Hollyweird’s Jews for the presence of the numinous Negro in basically every piece of tripe they crank out. (They even jam them into historical and geographic contexts where they were essentially non-existent.) Depictions that are so unnecessary and so far from the reality of actual blacks, they are not even really fantasy but just pure anti-white propaganda.

    And yes, this is in that same appalling, white-hating vein. But it’s an Italian ad. My money would be that the idea was driven by some Italian homosexuals–projecting *their* desires– with maybe some slutty Italian “professional” women in the room cluck-clucky along.

  158. @German_reader
    I don't understand your reasoning here...Arabs may be pretty racist towards blacks, but at least on an "official" level Islam is colour-blind.
    And Europeans or Chinese adopting Islam would mean large-scale erasure of their cultural traditions...just look at what has remained of classical antiquity in the Arab-speaking Near East. Not an attractive prospect.

    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe"

    I know that's somewhat of an obsession of yours...don't find it convincing, sorry.
    Also don't see how Europe becoming Islamic could help restrict African immigration...given that large parts of Africa actually are Islamic or will increasingly become so, it would probably rather facilitate African immigration.
    If we can only "save" Europe (in racial terms) by turning to arranged marriages, oppressing women and giving up all our cultural traditions for Islam...nah, that wouldn't be worth it either.
    , @dfordoom

    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss
     
    When I look at our culture today I can't help thinking it might not be much of a loss at all.
    , @anon

    whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today
     
    Not remotely true.
    , @Anonymous
    In some Arab Muslim countries, families' preference is to marry their sons to the daughters of their father's brothers (father's brother's daughter marriage pattern). It has nothing to do with parents of daughters selecting the professionally and financially best men. It's also incredibly dysgenic when practiced iteratively generation after generation over centuries. Even in Muslim countries that don't follow the father's brother's daughter marriage pattern, there still tend to be high rates of cousin marriage. That is certainly the case among the Pakistani community in Britain.
  159. @PiltdownMan
    The only way it might work is if they made it attractive by cutting costs to the bone.

    A friend, who is a cost accountant, said that the underlying cost of a college education, assuming old style instruction and facilities (tenured professor with a strong interest in teaching, blackboard, library, basic dorms, some playing fields etc), is about $30K/year given US wages. That's about half of what colleges these days charge.

    But, a new, ab initio college won't have an endowment to provide financial aid. All aid would have to be Federal.

    If it did start off with an endowment providing scholarships and such, then such a college would be a hit, regardless of tough entrance exams etc., simply because of low cost.

    But would it have a prestigious reputation for its methods in the world of 2016?

    Many types of employers wouldn't care. An A+ grade from a demanding school is the same as an A+ grade from a party school. Ask anyone from Amherst who has competed against someone from Wesleyan in the job market.

    Graduate schools in the humanities wouldn't care about the extra rigor either. Nowadays, they look askance at "reactionary" curricula.

    It is only STEM employers, graduate professional schools and graduate STEM schools that would look favorably on the graduates of such a college.

    But an undergraduate STEM education starts to get expensive to provide because of labs and workshops and such, undercutting the model...

    ” $30K/year given US wages. ” I don’t believe a word of it.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "I don’t believe a word of it."

    Nor do I.

    Colleges these days are largely staffed by adjuncts, who are lucky to make a couple of thousand dollars per course.
  160. @Erik Sieven
    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.

    “Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe”

    I know that’s somewhat of an obsession of yours…don’t find it convincing, sorry.
    Also don’t see how Europe becoming Islamic could help restrict African immigration…given that large parts of Africa actually are Islamic or will increasingly become so, it would probably rather facilitate African immigration.
    If we can only “save” Europe (in racial terms) by turning to arranged marriages, oppressing women and giving up all our cultural traditions for Islam…nah, that wouldn’t be worth it either.

    • Replies: @Mark2
    If you don't think the survival of the greatest civilization ever to stand astride the Earth is worth jettisoning feminism, I don't know what to tell you.
  161. @5371
    Because no cartoonist would dream of depicting demographically non-representative persons or situations!

    I say didn’t it was supposed to be representative of anything. I only suggested that such couplings were probably a visible phenomenon in London back then. Sure Hogarth intended the depiction to be humorous, but popular humor has to be based on some reality shared between the humorist and his audience.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    It certainly was based at least to some degree in reality...I think Dr Johnson had a black servant who was married to a white woman, and there was a black community (sailors?) in London in the late 18th/early 19th century that seems to have been largely absorbed eventually by white working class society.
    If I'm not mistaken, multiculti bureaucrats like Trevor Philipps have frequently referred to that, as "evidence" that Britain was always multiracial, a nation of immigrants etc.
    EDIT: I now see Johnson's servant has his own Wiki page:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Barber
    , @dcite
    There was also a "mulatto" girl attending Becky Sharp's school, in Thackeray's Vanity Fair. I seem to recall that she was from the "Islands."
    However, a handful of blacks here and there would hardly have made England a "multi-racial" society. That's today-speak. There were probably a few blacks around the port areas even in Shakespeare's day. People did seem to have some idea of what they looked like. But putting them in roles like the Archbishop of Canterbury in the 1500s, or some such nonsense, demands that all charges of racism against the English, and by extension all whites, be immediately rescinded. Blacks cannot be the most discriminated against of people, while also holding decision making positions in the Sceptured Isle at key points in English history.

    Sometimes I think there's an agenda, and sometimes I think they (the media) just do it for loon laughs.

    , @5371
    So if a cartoonist showed a woman in amorous congress with a space alien, it would demonstrate the reality of interstellar travel?
  162. @Cagey Beast
    The Italian ad was uploaded to YouTube back in 2007. Since then, one of these two countries has been hit by wave after wave of African migrants that it cannot, or will not, turn away. Can you guess which country it is?

    Hint: it's the one with a freaky Argentine Antipope using its airport to bring in Muslim families.

    a freaky Argentine Antipope

    Are you implying that Benedict XVI is still pope? Otherwise Francis is merely a bad pope.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Apparently Mr. Beast is a Sedevacantist.
  163. @Ed
    If I was a leader of a college struggling with enrollment I'd revamp the humanities to focus almost exclusively on Western civilization, institute rigid entrance exams or admission standards & ditch the diversity office.

    Once word got out you'd have a rush of applications & people willing to pay top dollar.

    Hillsdale? They don’t take a dime of federal funds, and they seem to hit the Western Civ idea pretty hard. As far as career prep, I think I heard that they recently had as many grads clerking for SCOTUS justices as Harvard.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "Hillsdale?" It is what brought me to Michigan from So. Cal. My daughter attends their private academy K-12, which pushes Western Civ real hard. The college has tons of connections in D.C.. I don't care for the D.C. cucks that they associate with, but I know that is the price of doing business.
  164. @SitUbu
    I say didn't it was supposed to be representative of anything. I only suggested that such couplings were probably a visible phenomenon in London back then. Sure Hogarth intended the depiction to be humorous, but popular humor has to be based on some reality shared between the humorist and his audience.

    It certainly was based at least to some degree in reality…I think Dr Johnson had a black servant who was married to a white woman, and there was a black community (sailors?) in London in the late 18th/early 19th century that seems to have been largely absorbed eventually by white working class society.
    If I’m not mistaken, multiculti bureaucrats like Trevor Philipps have frequently referred to that, as “evidence” that Britain was always multiracial, a nation of immigrants etc.
    EDIT: I now see Johnson’s servant has his own Wiki page:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Barber

  165. @German_reader
    "Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe"

    I know that's somewhat of an obsession of yours...don't find it convincing, sorry.
    Also don't see how Europe becoming Islamic could help restrict African immigration...given that large parts of Africa actually are Islamic or will increasingly become so, it would probably rather facilitate African immigration.
    If we can only "save" Europe (in racial terms) by turning to arranged marriages, oppressing women and giving up all our cultural traditions for Islam...nah, that wouldn't be worth it either.

    If you don’t think the survival of the greatest civilization ever to stand astride the Earth is worth jettisoning feminism, I don’t know what to tell you.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    But if we all became Muslims and started treating women the way they are treated in many Islamic countries, it wouldn't be our civilisation anymore, and it wouldn't be really all that great either.
  166. @Mark2
    If you don't think the survival of the greatest civilization ever to stand astride the Earth is worth jettisoning feminism, I don't know what to tell you.

    But if we all became Muslims and started treating women the way they are treated in many Islamic countries, it wouldn’t be our civilisation anymore, and it wouldn’t be really all that great either.

    • Replies: @Mark2
    Yes, it would, because people sharing our DNA would comprise it. The greatness of the West has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is a toxic byproduct of civilizational development, like industrial pollution. Nothing great about it in itself.
    , @Anonymous
    Women in ancient Athens were often cloistered at home and didn't leave without being chaperoned by the male head of household. Ancient Rome was also highly patriarchal:

    http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-romanlegal109.shtml

    109. Husbands' punishment of wives in early Rome (Valerius Maximus, Memorable Deeds and Sayings 6.3.9-12, 1st cent. A.D. L)

    Egnatius Metellus [8] ... took a cudgel and beat his wife to death because she had drunk some wine. Not only did no one charge him with a crime, but no one even blamed him. Everyone considered this an excellent example of one who had justly paid the penalty for violating the laws of sobriety. Indeed, any woman who immoderately seeks the use of wine closes the door on all virtues and opens it to vices.
     
    http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-romanlegal111.shtml

    111. Punishment for adultery. Rome, 2nd cent. B.C. (Aulus Gellius, Attic Nights 10.23, 2nd cent. A.D. L)

    An excerpt from a speech of Marcus Cato [11] on the life and customs of women of long ago and on the right of the husband to kill a wife caught committing adultery.

    (1) Those who have written about the life and culture of the Roman people say that women in Rome and Latium 'lived an abstemious life', which is to say that they abstained altogether from wine, called temetum in the early language and that it was the custom for them to kiss their relatives so they could tell by the smell whether they had been drinking. [12] Women, however, are said to have drunk the wine of the second press, raisin wine, myrrh-flavoured wine and that sort of sweet drink. This things are found in these books, as I said, but Marcus Cato reports that women were not only judged but also punished by a judge as severely for drinking wine as for committing adultery.

    I have copied Cato's words from a speech called On the Dowry, in which it is stated that husbands who caught their wives in adultery could kill them: 'The husband', he says, 'who divorces his wife is her judge, as though he were a censor; [13] he has power if she has done something perverse and awful; if she has drunk wine she is punished; if she has done wrong with another man, she is condemned to death.' It is also written, regarding the right to kill: 'If you catch your wife in adultery, you can kill her with impunity; she, however, cannot dare to lay a finger on you if you commit adultery, nor is it the law.'
     
    More recently, Puritan Massachusetts was quite severe. From David Hackett Fischer's Albion's Seed:

    This hierarchy of age within the family was written into the laws of Massachusetts, which in 1648 required the death penalty as a punishment for stubborn or rebellious sons over the age of sixteen who refused to obey either their father or mother. The same punishment was also provided for children who struck or cursed their parents. No child was ever executed under this law, but several were fined or whipped by the courts for being rude or abusive to their parents. Some of these errant "children" were in their forties, and their parents were of advanced age.
     
  167. @Bill B.
    You must be f**king joking. I lived in China for a decade. Noooo way.

    Relatively more global Hong Kong won't even let long-time Filipina maids obtain residency. It is something so "obvious" to the Chinese that they don't need to think about it or talk about it.

    This idea that the 'rest of the world' is going to go all "I'd like to teach the world to sing" is pure projection.

    There are regional migration issues that will likely heat up because birth rates have fallen asymmetrically within Asia.

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment. Ironically they will likely be more wary of pushing gut-wrenching moves like mass immigration on their populations than the typical one-world-economy Western government.

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment.

    Authoritarian governments tend to be less detached from reality compared to our “democratic” governments. They also tend to be less chaotic.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I suppose as befits alt.RIGHT, there are many here who appear to overestimate the appeal of authoritarian government - Putin, Erdogan, etc. These tend to be detached from reality in their own way. Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view - you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset. As for less chaotic, they are like pressure cookers - you keep a tight lid on everything until one day it blows.
  168. @oh its just me too

    Ad agencies can’t afford to propagandize unpopular views when it reduces sales, so the Italian ad must have captured a popular sentiment at the time.
     
    Really? So why the 'holiday' ads in america and cheerioes commercial , etc?
    They sure as hell can afford to do so especially if the brand is monopolistic< like google and and its hyper-pc doodles.

    Also, in America, i believe the obama administration via the EEO, went after companies that had whites in their advertisements (like Abercrombie and Fitch) with the excuse that it would it not imply they were not friendly to hiring minorities.

    IIRC, it was in the 90s that somebody, maybe not the Feds, went after the NYT for featuring only white people in their real estate ads. Everybody, and I mean Everybody, got the message which is why you now see micegenation (sp?) in TV ads, with the transgendered bringing up the rear.

    So to speak.

  169. @Jefferson
    Russell Peters said there is a word in Chinese that sounds exactly like the N word, but actually means something else.
    https://youtu.be/pfzorq4RH20

    Yes, the word is 那个 which is pronounced something like nay guh – it literally means “that ” but it is used as a filler word, the way “like” or “y’know” is used in English so that’s why teenage girls use it every other word in their conversations.

  170. @Triumph104
    It is a mistake to go by marriage rates since most black and interracial children are born out-of-wedlock.

    In the US 72 percent of children with a black mother are born out-of-wedlock. A 2015 study says that 97 percent of biracial children with a white mother and black father are born out-of-wedlock.

    I don't have data for the UK, but it certainly appears that most biracial children are born out-of-wedlock. I don't think child support is enforced in the UK and welfare is plentiful, which leads to these startling types of stories:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728767/Mother-eight-lives-2k-month-benefits-says-use-surrogate-TWO-children.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529393/Unemployed-mother-two-borrows-1-700-EIGHT-payday-loan-companies-buy-hundreds-Christmas-presents-children-says-pay-back.html

    The second child in the second story is white. Amazing. Maybe some do go back…

    They’re in Devizes. As in,

    There was a young man of Devizes
    who had ears of quite different sizes.
    One was so small
    it heard nothing at all.
    The other was large, and won prizes.

  171. @dfordoom

    One thing to remember is that authoritarian governments usually feel the need to track popular sentiment.
     
    Authoritarian governments tend to be less detached from reality compared to our "democratic" governments. They also tend to be less chaotic.

    I suppose as befits alt.RIGHT, there are many here who appear to overestimate the appeal of authoritarian government – Putin, Erdogan, etc. These tend to be detached from reality in their own way. Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset. As for less chaotic, they are like pressure cookers – you keep a tight lid on everything until one day it blows.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.
     
    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.
     
    We have met the enemy, and he is us.

    Or, he looks like us. And hates it.


    With few exceptions, white people are actually fond
    of almost any dictator not named Hitler... This is because, with the exception of Hitler,
    oppressive dictators share a passion for many of the things white people love- such as universal health care, conspiracy theories, caring about poor people while being filthy rich, and cool hats.
     
  172. @SitUbu
    I say didn't it was supposed to be representative of anything. I only suggested that such couplings were probably a visible phenomenon in London back then. Sure Hogarth intended the depiction to be humorous, but popular humor has to be based on some reality shared between the humorist and his audience.

    There was also a “mulatto” girl attending Becky Sharp’s school, in Thackeray’s Vanity Fair. I seem to recall that she was from the “Islands.”
    However, a handful of blacks here and there would hardly have made England a “multi-racial” society. That’s today-speak. There were probably a few blacks around the port areas even in Shakespeare’s day. People did seem to have some idea of what they looked like. But putting them in roles like the Archbishop of Canterbury in the 1500s, or some such nonsense, demands that all charges of racism against the English, and by extension all whites, be immediately rescinded. Blacks cannot be the most discriminated against of people, while also holding decision making positions in the Sceptured Isle at key points in English history.

    Sometimes I think there’s an agenda, and sometimes I think they (the media) just do it for loon laughs.

  173. @Glossy
    Two things:

    1) One important HBD truth that this demonstrates is that East Asians are prone to copying things. The idea and the music were shamelessly ripped off from the Italian ad, though with a fun twist.

    2) The only reason why mainland Chinese are free to do such things now is that unlike the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese they kept their independence. Peter Frost has documented the growth of the multiculturalist mindset in South Korea.

    The reason that the Western propaganda machine portrays Mao negatively is that he fought for China's independence, while his rival Chiang Kai Shek fought for China's dependence on the US. This doesn't mean that Mao didn't kill any people. He must have, though surely not as many as the Western propaganda machine alleges. But that violence wouldn't have been the reason for the Western propaganda machine's hatred of Mao. Indepence must have been the reason. And you can see the fruits of that independence in that ad.

    The Black Book of Communism puts Mao and Maoism’s death toll at 65 million. But, I know, that’s just a statistic. Omelets, eggs, etc.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The Black Book of Communism is excellent. A real eye opener. One example that sticks with me is a Polish officer who ran afoul of the Commies after WW2. They not only kept him in jail for three+ years, but they also did not let him wash the entire time. Think about that next time you are taking a shower.
  174. @Erik Sieven
    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.

    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss

    When I look at our culture today I can’t help thinking it might not be much of a loss at all.

    • Replies: @Mark2
    I'd miss beer, but that's about it.
  175. @Jack D
    I suppose as befits alt.RIGHT, there are many here who appear to overestimate the appeal of authoritarian government - Putin, Erdogan, etc. These tend to be detached from reality in their own way. Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view - you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset. As for less chaotic, they are like pressure cookers - you keep a tight lid on everything until one day it blows.

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.

    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.
     
    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it's all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs....
    , @anon
    The media-ruled US and the West in general is becoming the most authoritarian region of the planet.
  176. Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.

    Now who does that remind me of?

  177. @Jack D
    I suppose as befits alt.RIGHT, there are many here who appear to overestimate the appeal of authoritarian government - Putin, Erdogan, etc. These tend to be detached from reality in their own way. Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view - you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset. As for less chaotic, they are like pressure cookers - you keep a tight lid on everything until one day it blows.

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.

    We have met the enemy, and he is us.

    Or, he looks like us. And hates it.

    With few exceptions, white people are actually fond
    of almost any dictator not named Hitler… This is because, with the exception of Hitler,
    oppressive dictators share a passion for many of the things white people love- such as universal health care, conspiracy theories, caring about poor people while being filthy rich, and cool hats.

  178. @German_reader
    But if we all became Muslims and started treating women the way they are treated in many Islamic countries, it wouldn't be our civilisation anymore, and it wouldn't be really all that great either.

    Yes, it would, because people sharing our DNA would comprise it. The greatness of the West has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is a toxic byproduct of civilizational development, like industrial pollution. Nothing great about it in itself.

  179. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader
    But if we all became Muslims and started treating women the way they are treated in many Islamic countries, it wouldn't be our civilisation anymore, and it wouldn't be really all that great either.

    Women in ancient Athens were often cloistered at home and didn’t leave without being chaperoned by the male head of household. Ancient Rome was also highly patriarchal:

    http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-romanlegal109.shtml

    109. Husbands’ punishment of wives in early Rome (Valerius Maximus, Memorable Deeds and Sayings 6.3.9-12, 1st cent. A.D. L)

    Egnatius Metellus [8] … took a cudgel and beat his wife to death because she had drunk some wine. Not only did no one charge him with a crime, but no one even blamed him. Everyone considered this an excellent example of one who had justly paid the penalty for violating the laws of sobriety. Indeed, any woman who immoderately seeks the use of wine closes the door on all virtues and opens it to vices.

    http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-romanlegal111.shtml

    111. Punishment for adultery. Rome, 2nd cent. B.C. (Aulus Gellius, Attic Nights 10.23, 2nd cent. A.D. L)

    An excerpt from a speech of Marcus Cato [11] on the life and customs of women of long ago and on the right of the husband to kill a wife caught committing adultery.

    (1) Those who have written about the life and culture of the Roman people say that women in Rome and Latium ‘lived an abstemious life’, which is to say that they abstained altogether from wine, called temetum in the early language and that it was the custom for them to kiss their relatives so they could tell by the smell whether they had been drinking. [12] Women, however, are said to have drunk the wine of the second press, raisin wine, myrrh-flavoured wine and that sort of sweet drink. This things are found in these books, as I said, but Marcus Cato reports that women were not only judged but also punished by a judge as severely for drinking wine as for committing adultery.

    I have copied Cato’s words from a speech called On the Dowry, in which it is stated that husbands who caught their wives in adultery could kill them: ‘The husband’, he says, ‘who divorces his wife is her judge, as though he were a censor; [13] he has power if she has done something perverse and awful; if she has drunk wine she is punished; if she has done wrong with another man, she is condemned to death.’ It is also written, regarding the right to kill: ‘If you catch your wife in adultery, you can kill her with impunity; she, however, cannot dare to lay a finger on you if you commit adultery, nor is it the law.’

    More recently, Puritan Massachusetts was quite severe. From David Hackett Fischer’s Albion’s Seed:

    This hierarchy of age within the family was written into the laws of Massachusetts, which in 1648 required the death penalty as a punishment for stubborn or rebellious sons over the age of sixteen who refused to obey either their father or mother. The same punishment was also provided for children who struck or cursed their parents. No child was ever executed under this law, but several were fined or whipped by the courts for being rude or abusive to their parents. Some of these errant “children” were in their forties, and their parents were of advanced age.

  180. @dfordoom

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.
     
    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.

    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.

    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it’s all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs….

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.
     
    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it’s all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs….
     
    There was a question posed to Quora.com recently-- and, yes, most of the political ones there are obvious set-ups-- if there was any issue on which the UK was to the right of the US. Some Brit answered, there sure was: immigration. He then went on to complain about the government's sound trucks (excuse me, lorries) going around diverse neighbo(u)rhoods warning illegal aliens they had to leave or to suffer the consequences.

    Rather than pride in my country's very different policy, all I could think was, "Why can't our men in blue do that?" I mean, it's a more productive use of our tax funds than at the doughnut counter.
  181. @Svigor

    Interesting contrast. I’m not sure though if China will eventually be able to resist African immigration. They’re officially anti-racist, their population is greying, and Christianity (with its attendant universalism) seems to be rising.
     
    There's plenty of southeast Asian and subcontinental coolie labor to be had. Africans will be the last population China allows to settle in numbers.

    Black Men attract white girls because white “men” cannot satisfy their women.
     
    But white men attract yellow women because yellow women are color-blind, and Bravery of Love. Yes, we know.

    It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.

     

    Yes, quite the contrast with the Italian commercial on that score. WTF?

    Bill B, China still has the advantage of having plenty of dirt-poor Chinese around to use as cheap labor. Once all of that is gone is when the pressure starts. I wouldn't put the kind of race-treachery white elites get up to past the Chinese elite. The Japs and the Koreans, they ain't. But, like I said, there are smarter, harder-working, and closer cheap-labor demographics for east Asians to access.

    African immigrants aren’t even used as cheap labor in Europe and the US. It’s not like Peugeot and VW plants in Europe are filled with African immigrants. They’re mostly on welfare. The Somalis in Minnesota aren’t working as miners in the Iron Range or something.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Somalis in Minnesota aren’t working as miners in the Iron Range or something.
     
    They've cornered the taxi market at MSP and the Mall of America, though.

    Hell, is anybody working as a miner up north? Nobody is in West Virginia anymore. Someone here linked to Edward Luce's recent column featuring an "escapee" from mine culture just over the line in Va.

    Luce didn't want to insult the people directly, so he found a local more than willing to do it for him. Isn't international "journalism" a great gig?
  182. @SteveRogers42
    Hillsdale? They don't take a dime of federal funds, and they seem to hit the Western Civ idea pretty hard. As far as career prep, I think I heard that they recently had as many grads clerking for SCOTUS justices as Harvard.

    “Hillsdale?” It is what brought me to Michigan from So. Cal. My daughter attends their private academy K-12, which pushes Western Civ real hard. The college has tons of connections in D.C.. I don’t care for the D.C. cucks that they associate with, but I know that is the price of doing business.

  183. @NickG
    This program - Last Whites of the East End - Was broadcast 3 nights ago - somewhat surprisingly - on the BBC. It's likely to be deleted from YouTube, so you, or anyone else outside of the UK, may want to save a copy on your hard drive using http://en.savefrom.net/

    Good program despite the fact that the producers just can’t help themselves with their multiculturalist brainwashing efforts. In a program focused on the Last Whites in the East End they prominently feature a half-black, a half-Indian, and a Bangladeshi who says that he’s the most British of all of his childhood buddies who’ve moved away, thinking that British is a multicultural identity rather than a racial identity. There was no need to put up a multicultural cast, they should have just stuck to actual Cockneys.

    That Bangladeshi was right on the cusp of making some interesting points but while he went up to the precipice he never crossed over and then, when they showed him leading the Mosque effort, he retreated from what could have been some interesting personal development and viewpoints. The point I thought he was going to make was that as 1 of 3 colored kids growing up he, eventually, came to be accepted and this worked out well because he was a rarity and so his presence wasn’t hugely disruptive to the community but unchecked multiculturalism has been disastrous and destroyed the community that he grew to adopt. He didn’t say that, he simply said that he missed his old friends, he was sad that they moved away but didn’t explain why they moved away, he talked about his loss of community, etc. In the end he didn’t break stereotype, he remained true to his Muslim identity and fully embraced it when the numbers in the community put him into the majority group, meaning that his identity in childhood didn’t actually take root, he’s not British, he was always within the Muslim identity group.

    Wow, about those accents, I’m reminded of a scene from Band of Brothers when they’re boarding the planes on D-Day and some American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying.

    • Replies: @anon

    American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying
     
    mild version

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cA0NM5RAY0

    (weird thing is the hand gestures are exactly the same)

    it's also weird how entire ethnic groups can be wiped out in the name of antiracism.

    , @NickG
    Yup, you pretty much nailed it.

    Though it was a surprise that the Beeb aired the programme, they still had to lard it with the multiculuturalist agenda. It was also quite obvious that the East Enders were very much minding their words.

    What didnt come over - because of the carefully cherry picked Muslim geezer - is the contempt that much of the Muslim community hold of the natives, nor that amongst themselves they call us 'kuffar'.

    Nevertheless, and entirely predictably, the programme has been widely panned as racist.
  184. @Anonymous
    African immigrants aren't even used as cheap labor in Europe and the US. It's not like Peugeot and VW plants in Europe are filled with African immigrants. They're mostly on welfare. The Somalis in Minnesota aren't working as miners in the Iron Range or something.

    The Somalis in Minnesota aren’t working as miners in the Iron Range or something.

    They’ve cornered the taxi market at MSP and the Mall of America, though.

    Hell, is anybody working as a miner up north? Nobody is in West Virginia anymore. Someone here linked to Edward Luce’s recent column featuring an “escapee” from mine culture just over the line in Va.

    Luce didn’t want to insult the people directly, so he found a local more than willing to do it for him. Isn’t international “journalism” a great gig?

  185. @syonredux

    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.
     
    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it's all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs....

    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.

    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it’s all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs….

    There was a question posed to Quora.com recently– and, yes, most of the political ones there are obvious set-ups– if there was any issue on which the UK was to the right of the US. Some Brit answered, there sure was: immigration. He then went on to complain about the government’s sound trucks (excuse me, lorries) going around diverse neighbo(u)rhoods warning illegal aliens they had to leave or to suffer the consequences.

    Rather than pride in my country’s very different policy, all I could think was, “Why can’t our men in blue do that?” I mean, it’s a more productive use of our tax funds than at the doughnut counter.

    • Replies: @5371
    The trouble is that when you don't follow through on threats, it's worse than if you had never made them. "If you don't leave, I'll ... I'll ... scold you again!"
  186. @anon
    I know you're trolling but as a lot of ppl say this for real what actually happens is

    it's r/K (loose definition of) plus PC

    1) r males put everything up front, flash car, clothes, all cash is spending cash etc; K males build or save for nests.

    2) the r strategy doesn't work very well on adult females but it works very well on females when they're very young.

    3) so r males target the very young

    4) there are white r males and black K males

    5) black and white K males don't do it and the system chases off white r males who target very young girls so that only leaves black r males; the system used to chase off black r males as well but then they stopped cos racism

    so it's black r males chasing girls when they're young and dumb enough to fall for it combined with the system built up to protect girls when they're that age being neutralized by PC

    Sick Duck, with his sub-90 IQ, writes his little posts and guys with IQs two, three, or four SDs above his try to educate him. I do not think this is productive. His joy comes from annoying you and wasting your time. He is not interested in your superior knowledge.

    • Replies: @anon
    He's trolling but a lot of people think the same because of the poison poured out of the media and so it's worth explaining:

    it's not black/white it's r/K

    and in particular the institutions set up to protect young girls from r males have stopped working cos "racism"
  187. @Tiny Duck
    Black Men attract white girls because white "men" cannot satisfy their women.

    Black Men attract white girls…

    This phenomenon is greatly exaggerated, if you use weight as your measurement.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Actually, I think the avoirdupois of the average black-loving white woman is far higher that of all white women as a group.
  188. @SitUbu
    I say didn't it was supposed to be representative of anything. I only suggested that such couplings were probably a visible phenomenon in London back then. Sure Hogarth intended the depiction to be humorous, but popular humor has to be based on some reality shared between the humorist and his audience.

    So if a cartoonist showed a woman in amorous congress with a space alien, it would demonstrate the reality of interstellar travel?

  189. @Reg Cæsar


    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.
     
    Well, except where mass immigration is concerned. There it’s all blue skies, rainbows, and Kumbaya sing-alongs….
     
    There was a question posed to Quora.com recently-- and, yes, most of the political ones there are obvious set-ups-- if there was any issue on which the UK was to the right of the US. Some Brit answered, there sure was: immigration. He then went on to complain about the government's sound trucks (excuse me, lorries) going around diverse neighbo(u)rhoods warning illegal aliens they had to leave or to suffer the consequences.

    Rather than pride in my country's very different policy, all I could think was, "Why can't our men in blue do that?" I mean, it's a more productive use of our tax funds than at the doughnut counter.

    The trouble is that when you don’t follow through on threats, it’s worse than if you had never made them. “If you don’t leave, I’ll … I’ll … scold you again!”

  190. @Jack D
    When I say a small community I don't mean like in the US where Jews are circa 2% of the population, I mean small as in 0.04% - 25,000 out of 60 million. Small as in you could fit the entire Jewish population of the country in a basketball arena. And because they have been there continuously for 2,000 years, their culture differs very little from that of other Italians - Primo Levi used to say that the Italian Jews were just like other Italians except they didn't eat (pork) salami. So their position within Italian culture is nothing like that of Ashkenazi Jews in America or the rest of Europe.

    The whole "Jewish" stereotype is really an Ashkenazi stereotype that grew out of the role of the Ashkenazi Jews as a mercantile minority in E. Europe (not unlike the overseas Chinese in the rest of Asia) - if for example you examine the traditional position of the Bukharan Jews in Central Asian society their main occupation was yarn dyeing, so if you ranted to a (pre-Russian occupation) Uzbek about the perfidious influence of the Joos on society they would look at you like you were nuts.

    So you’re saying it’s not the “Joooooos,” it’s the “Voooooooos Vooooooooooooooooos?”

  191. @Anonymous
    Actually, there was a real, historic anti-pope back in the middle ages.

    More than one, but the sense is different to the OP’s thought on Bergoglioni. Schism, as opposed to heresy. BTW, I agree with the OP. Not very Christian, but WTF is Bergoglioni thinking? His actions are hardly Christian.

    Interesting that he never had any problems with the Argentinian dictator’s govts in the times of Op. Condor, the death squads, etc., seems to have been somewhat complicit at the time. Perhaps his bizarre anti-European activity is a result of guilt-driven melancholia.

    Some former bishop has established his own schismatic Catholic Church in the USA, I forget the place and names, but they would be easy to look up. They even keep to the custom of smoke to indicate the election.

    In my opinion, they would be better off expending their energies in SSPX, but, IIRC, they trace the deviation further back than St. Pius the tenth.

  192. @Expletive Deleted
    The Japanese have (been assimilating/been rolled over by) Koreans since forever. Since Yayoi times at least.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture

    "I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche," he told reporters.
    Kammu, reigned Japan from 781 to 806 AD, while Muryong ruled the Paekche Kingdom in Korea from 501 to 523 AD. - Emperor Akihito, AD 2001
     
    It would be like UK Brits being prejudiced against Normands, or Danes (they are, but only in savage, backwards provinces like Yorkshire and Ireland).

    Ireland has not been a province of the UK since 1916.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    You've reconquered the Six Counties then? Tháinig ar lá. Trebles all round!
  193. @Percy Gryce

    a freaky Argentine Antipope
     
    Are you implying that Benedict XVI is still pope? Otherwise Francis is merely a bad pope.

    Apparently Mr. Beast is a Sedevacantist.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Ah, the Hamlets of the ecclesiastic world.
  194. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    "How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes."

    Yes they all have cuckold fetishes and were raised to believe that all Nonblack women on the planet sexually desire Black men over men from their own race.

    That is why Social Justice Warriors were offended to see a commercial where a Chinese woman prefers her own kind a Chinese man over a Black man.

    To Millennial Social Justice Warriors, no Nonblack woman on the planet can sexually resist a Black man, after all they grew up watching reality show garbage like the Kardashians.

    Yes they all have cuckold fetishes and were raised to believe that all Nonblack women on the planet sexually desire Black men over men from their own race.

    It’s mostly a Jewish thing which is magnified by media influence.

    As we keep being told Jews apparently went through a phase where they specifically selected for IQ. The thing about that is if you select specifically for one thing then you’re not selecting for others so Jews as a group (if not here) ended up with a slightly higher IQ (on average) but at the same time shorter and less physically attractive (on average).

    Then because they are dominant in the media they mirror project their own angst vis a vis Eurowhite males onto black > white as a kind of vicarious revenge.

    keyword: tall

    it’s partly why they are so triggered by Trump

    (homosexuals are similar for similar reasons – revenge on straight white males – and they are also very dominant in the media)

    so it’s nothing to do with black vs white really – it’s anti-white revenge porn

  195. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Boyish looking men are more popular among Asian women than they are among white or other non-Asian women. So the scale is somewhat shifted relative to non-Asian women.

    r vs K again

    (loose definition)

    south and east Asians are more K because they’ve been farmers for longer

    Eurowhite people are in the middle hence why so many get hung up on stupid macho nonsense

    (not that macho is stupid just that there’s a stupid version and a useful version)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I don't know about South Asia. I don't think the more boyish types that seem more popular and acceptable to East Asian women are popular among South Asian women. Male Bollywood celebrities seem generally similar in masculinity as Western male celebrities. And South Asian woman, East Asian man pairings certainly aren't common. South Asian men may be nerdy or geeky, but they're generally hairy and the like and not exactly boyish. South Asia seems to be more shifted towards the Mideast and the West in this respect.
  196. @Erik Sieven
    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.

    whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today

    Not remotely true.

  197. @dfordoom

    Authoritarianism lends itself to a paranoid world view – you view your country as beset by enemies on all sides until your behavior is so repellent that your really ARE beset.
     
    But in fact the most paranoid nation on the planet at the moment is the United States.

    The media-ruled US and the West in general is becoming the most authoritarian region of the planet.

  198. @TangoMan
    Good program despite the fact that the producers just can't help themselves with their multiculturalist brainwashing efforts. In a program focused on the Last Whites in the East End they prominently feature a half-black, a half-Indian, and a Bangladeshi who says that he's the most British of all of his childhood buddies who've moved away, thinking that British is a multicultural identity rather than a racial identity. There was no need to put up a multicultural cast, they should have just stuck to actual Cockneys.

    That Bangladeshi was right on the cusp of making some interesting points but while he went up to the precipice he never crossed over and then, when they showed him leading the Mosque effort, he retreated from what could have been some interesting personal development and viewpoints. The point I thought he was going to make was that as 1 of 3 colored kids growing up he, eventually, came to be accepted and this worked out well because he was a rarity and so his presence wasn't hugely disruptive to the community but unchecked multiculturalism has been disastrous and destroyed the community that he grew to adopt. He didn't say that, he simply said that he missed his old friends, he was sad that they moved away but didn't explain why they moved away, he talked about his loss of community, etc. In the end he didn't break stereotype, he remained true to his Muslim identity and fully embraced it when the numbers in the community put him into the majority group, meaning that his identity in childhood didn't actually take root, he's not British, he was always within the Muslim identity group.

    Wow, about those accents, I'm reminded of a scene from Band of Brothers when they're boarding the planes on D-Day and some American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying.

    American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying

    mild version

    (weird thing is the hand gestures are exactly the same)

    it’s also weird how entire ethnic groups can be wiped out in the name of antiracism.

  199. @Harry Baldwin
    Sick Duck, with his sub-90 IQ, writes his little posts and guys with IQs two, three, or four SDs above his try to educate him. I do not think this is productive. His joy comes from annoying you and wasting your time. He is not interested in your superior knowledge.

    He’s trolling but a lot of people think the same because of the poison poured out of the media and so it’s worth explaining:

    it’s not black/white it’s r/K

    and in particular the institutions set up to protect young girls from r males have stopped working cos “racism”

  200. @Hibernian
    Ireland has not been a province of the UK since 1916.

    You’ve reconquered the Six Counties then? Tháinig ar lá. Trebles all round!

  201. @Steve Sailer
    It's striking how no college makes that their marketing niche.

    For example, Caltech is suspected of being a diversity dissenter but nobody can prove it.

    It’s really schools like Caltech and MIT that are going to pay a big price for diversity, quite literally.

    The major economic issue is: how much will their alumni contribute?

    My guess is that white males (not even Asian males, so much) contribute per capita probably several times as much as any other group to these schools. This is especially true because much of these contributions come from the very high end philanthropist sort, who are overwhelmingly white males (not nearly so much Asian males).

    If these schools by their diversity policies reduce their white male proportion from historic patterns of perhaps 80-90% of their student body down to, say, 30-35%, the hit on contributions will be tremendous. Perhaps the only thing working in the opposite direction is the greater inequality of our economy, rewarding the tippy top “producers” (who will, again, be overwhelmingly white males) with still greater rewards.

    Perhaps this will actually have some good consequences, because the effect will be to spread the true potential high performers around to other, less elite colleges. Their will be more Jack Kilby’s who had to go to less distinguished universities (who wanted to get into MIT, but, as I recollect, missed the admission test cutoff by one point), but contributed mightily to our society and world.

  202. @German_reader
    So do I, but still, it's interesting...whereas Russians supposedly are quite open about being xenophobes, Chinese supposedly at least pretend to care about "refugees". I wonder why that is (or if that poll has been purposefully falsified by Amnesty, what's the purpose behind making Chinese look "tolerant").

    As always I think one would have to look at what questions were asked, in what order, etc.

    But to answer your point I think the key is that the Chinese are “sentimental”.

    It is a vast country that has suffered terrible hardships; their history is steeped in this. They recognise when others have problems.

    But that does not mean that are willing to toss their own lifestyles and contentment out of the window as a result.

    EG I remember when the Vietnamese refugees were landing in Hong Kong in large numbers and filling up refugee camps in the land-starved territory. A call for spare clothing (it gets cold in winter) received an overwhelming public response. But there was absolutely never a question of permitting all but a tiny handful of the refugees to remain permanently. (Beijing also made clear it wanted the issue sorted before the 1997 handover; even though they were mostly ethnic Chinese and had hopped along the coast in boats to get to Hong Kong.)

  203. @Percy Gryce
    The Black Book of Communism puts Mao and Maoism's death toll at 65 million. But, I know, that's just a statistic. Omelets, eggs, etc.

    The Black Book of Communism is excellent. A real eye opener. One example that sticks with me is a Polish officer who ran afoul of the Commies after WW2. They not only kept him in jail for three+ years, but they also did not let him wash the entire time. Think about that next time you are taking a shower.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I think the commies were just respecting Polish customs.
  204. @Jim Don Bob
    The Black Book of Communism is excellent. A real eye opener. One example that sticks with me is a Polish officer who ran afoul of the Commies after WW2. They not only kept him in jail for three+ years, but they also did not let him wash the entire time. Think about that next time you are taking a shower.

    I think the commies were just respecting Polish customs.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I can see why you posted that anonymously. ;-)
  205. @Expletive Deleted
    The Japanese have (been assimilating/been rolled over by) Koreans since forever. Since Yayoi times at least.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_influence_on_Japanese_culture

    "I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche," he told reporters.
    Kammu, reigned Japan from 781 to 806 AD, while Muryong ruled the Paekche Kingdom in Korea from 501 to 523 AD. - Emperor Akihito, AD 2001
     
    It would be like UK Brits being prejudiced against Normands, or Danes (they are, but only in savage, backwards provinces like Yorkshire and Ireland).

    The current emperor threw himself out of favour with the right with that accurate quote, and since the centre here is far to the ‘right’ of acceptable opinion in Europe or English-speaking countries, my right-wing friends and friendly acquaintances do not like the Heisei emperor, on one occasion in particular, a kind of friend, and contemporary, was ranting about his love for the emperor system.

    I asked him which emperor he meant by his love for the emperor system. He unhesitatingly answered ‘Showa emperor’, Hirohito in other words.

    The rightists have a little faith that the crown prince will be more to their liking, but his wife has more than a little Princess Dianna syndrome. Although there is no doubt that she will never behave so ridiculously.

    In any case, the nobility at the capital around 500 A.D. consisted of

    60% from the Korean peninsula, most from Paekche, but also from Silla (or Shin’rya), and from the trading federation at the tip, the other polity in the peninsula at the time, Koguryeo, not, it seems,

    20% from China.

    20% native.

    Of course the later wars and shogunates would turn that on its head, but that was the situation soon after literacy was introduced to (or by, they were likely refugees from Paekche) the court.

    Everything earlier, apart from a few accounts in China, sword and mirror engravings from the Korean peninsula, some of the myths about arrivals from Silla, is pre-literate.

  206. @dfordoom

    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss
     
    When I look at our culture today I can't help thinking it might not be much of a loss at all.

    I’d miss beer, but that’s about it.

  207. @Anonymous
    I think the commies were just respecting Polish customs.

    I can see why you posted that anonymously. 😉

  208. @gcochran
    " $30K/year given US wages. " I don't believe a word of it.

    “I don’t believe a word of it.”

    Nor do I.

    Colleges these days are largely staffed by adjuncts, who are lucky to make a couple of thousand dollars per course.

  209. @Anonymous
    According to NEWS.com.au, the italian ad was clever, but the chinese ad is racist.

    It’s worth pointing out that the ad is a remake of an Italian commercial made almost ten years ago which featured a woman washing a white man with a product aimed at treating “colours”. To the woman’s delight, the man emerges from the process black. The slogan for the Italian product, Coloreria laundry powder, was: “Colour is better”.

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.
     

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/is-this-the-most-racist-commercial-ever-made/news-story/b7c1a0895364c79b32b9efb48302ed5f

    As usual the Chinese are making subpar copies of western products.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is one instance where the Chinese imitation is better than the Western product, simply by virtue of the fact that the Western product of relentless pro-black propaganda is really stale now.
    , @Marcus
    In this case I'd say they made a large improvement.
  210. @Pat Hannagan
    OK, I'll keep it simple to avoid your noticing censors.

    #1: This story is about advertisements
    #2: Who writes advertisements in China, who does the same in America?
    #3: Who rules both?

    See, it's that simple.

    America

    Israel Epstein. Sidney Rittenberg. Sidney Shapiro. Solomon Adler.

    Google them. Notice anything?

  211. @Jack D

    Even many elite expat professionals in China and Japan never learn the written language, and get by with minimal speaking ability.
     
    This is pretty far off topic, but I find that odious and disrespectful, just as bad as Latinos who move to the US and never learn English. My son lived in China for a time and he made the (considerable) effort needed to learn to read and write and speak Mandarin reasonably well. If you don't do that, you might as well stay home because you are never going to understand a culture if you are deaf, dumb and blind. When I traveled around China with him, my experience was totally different from what it would have been if I had stuck to places where they spoke English - that's only the tip of the iceberg in Chinese society. There are, as you say, expats in China (esp. Shanghai) who live in an expat bubble but why bother?

    Easy lays and maybe eventually a wife you can bring back to the States?

  212. @Simon in London
    >>That’s interesting, but I wonder in how many English neighborhoods that holds true. <<

    Seems fairly ubiquitous in mixed working class areas where there are white women & Afro-Caribbean black men, so London Manchester Birmingham; not much in Scotland due to lack of blacks. I think it's very specifically the Afro-Caribbean men, certainly not eg Somalis.

    BTW it's not too uncommon to see black man/white woman couples, even married. A lot of Afro-Caribbeans are in the upper working & lower-middle classes, with jobs, sometimes small businesses. It's not just an underclass phenomenon.

    Also a lot of Polish women and Nigerian men

  213. @Chuck
    As usual the Chinese are making subpar copies of western products.

    This is one instance where the Chinese imitation is better than the Western product, simply by virtue of the fact that the Western product of relentless pro-black propaganda is really stale now.

  214. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    r vs K again

    (loose definition)

    south and east Asians are more K because they've been farmers for longer

    Eurowhite people are in the middle hence why so many get hung up on stupid macho nonsense

    (not that macho is stupid just that there's a stupid version and a useful version)

    I don’t know about South Asia. I don’t think the more boyish types that seem more popular and acceptable to East Asian women are popular among South Asian women. Male Bollywood celebrities seem generally similar in masculinity as Western male celebrities. And South Asian woman, East Asian man pairings certainly aren’t common. South Asian men may be nerdy or geeky, but they’re generally hairy and the like and not exactly boyish. South Asia seems to be more shifted towards the Mideast and the West in this respect.

  215. @Daniel Williams

    How does that follow? The ‘colorblind’ position may not make that much sense, but they don’t *all* have cuckold fetishes.
     
    The satisfaction people get from using that idiotic neologism seems to trump their common sense. I suppose using that word makes them feel au courant, but it's hard for me to take seriously someone who thinks in slogans and buzzwords.

    Read the comments in any "alternative" right blog or news article—people are subbing variants of "cuck" for all parts of speech. It reminds me of how the Smurfs talked in those old cartoons.

    I don’t believe it is a neologism.

  216. @jimbojones
    Are my eyes well? Am I reading this correctly?

    However, those behind the Chinese remake somehow managed to turn a clever idea into one of the most blatantly racist videos that has ever appeared on TV.
     
    How is the first ad a "clever idea" rather than a disgusting exercise in blatant racism?

    May God have mercy on these hypocrites.

    How is the first ad a “clever idea” rather than a disgusting exercise in blatant racism?

    Touché.

  217. @Whiskey
    No one has disproved Satoshi Kanazawa's work. That Black men are the most attractive to women of all races. And conversely, Black women the least attractive to men of all races. Chinese women and White Italian women alike seem covered by that research as depicted in the two ads.

    BUT ... China is significantly different than Italy. First, it is NOT female dominated. All ads and pretty much everything has to pass through Party censors and ultimately dictates of the Central Committee or nowadays President Xi Xinping and his personal appointees. China is very much patriarchal and allows plays to female sensibilities only up to a point. There was an ad that had a pretty Chinese woman saying she'd rather cry in the back of a Mercedes than be happy on the back of a motorcycle. It was pulled due to male rage.

    Secondly, the one-child policy and selective sex abortions of girls has left China a political and social powder keg. There are millions and millions of Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend, or even sex without prostitution, let alone marry. All those missing girls have their impact. Anything suggesting Chinese women prefer foreigners ESPECIALLY AFRICANS is a recipe for revolution that President Xi Xinping in particular is not too keen on having about.

    In my own time at Tsinghua University at Beijing I was told by students that African exchange students would monopolize the hottest Chinese coeds and bully/intimidate Chinese male students who were smaller and weaker. Right up until 100 or so of their friends showed up and gave all the Africans a beating or worse -- like tossing off a roof top. Africans are not much liked in China by Chinese men for this reason and the Chinese as heirs to a 5,000 year old civilization don't much care what Westerners think. See the failure of the Hollywood types on Tibet.

    Thirdly, Italian women don't need to obtain male resources to start a family and provide for themselves in old age (they think at least). Chinese women know there is no pension or medical care for them outside their workplace, China being a communist country it has no social welfare program, and what their mates can provide.

    Chinese women are every bit as hypergamous and sexually drawn to low IQ, impulsive, violent, socially dominant, and darker men as every other women. Unlike Italian/Western women they cannot simply give in as they live in the Communist Version of Jane Austen's world. Without a good match no kids or retirement. That means prospects, in-laws, etc.

    What's wrong with the West is at its core its women don't want or need or show any loyalty to their men; figuring with female logic that absurdities can go on forever. Not understanding how quickly things collapse. The social welfare state as substitute for marriage; mass media consumerism aimed at women, Diversity as State Religion to beat Communism and National Liberation movements are contributors. But that's the core of it.

    Imagine that ad in America in say, 1950.

    Whisky, I’ve lived in China for over a decade, and white expats – let alone black ones, have a hard time scoring with anything but sub-par Chinese girls – let alone hot ones. The dating predilections of Asian women are completely different.

  218. @TangoMan
    Good program despite the fact that the producers just can't help themselves with their multiculturalist brainwashing efforts. In a program focused on the Last Whites in the East End they prominently feature a half-black, a half-Indian, and a Bangladeshi who says that he's the most British of all of his childhood buddies who've moved away, thinking that British is a multicultural identity rather than a racial identity. There was no need to put up a multicultural cast, they should have just stuck to actual Cockneys.

    That Bangladeshi was right on the cusp of making some interesting points but while he went up to the precipice he never crossed over and then, when they showed him leading the Mosque effort, he retreated from what could have been some interesting personal development and viewpoints. The point I thought he was going to make was that as 1 of 3 colored kids growing up he, eventually, came to be accepted and this worked out well because he was a rarity and so his presence wasn't hugely disruptive to the community but unchecked multiculturalism has been disastrous and destroyed the community that he grew to adopt. He didn't say that, he simply said that he missed his old friends, he was sad that they moved away but didn't explain why they moved away, he talked about his loss of community, etc. In the end he didn't break stereotype, he remained true to his Muslim identity and fully embraced it when the numbers in the community put him into the majority group, meaning that his identity in childhood didn't actually take root, he's not British, he was always within the Muslim identity group.

    Wow, about those accents, I'm reminded of a scene from Band of Brothers when they're boarding the planes on D-Day and some American is talking to a Cockney and has no damn clue what the guy is saying.

    Yup, you pretty much nailed it.

    Though it was a surprise that the Beeb aired the programme, they still had to lard it with the multiculuturalist agenda. It was also quite obvious that the East Enders were very much minding their words.

    What didnt come over – because of the carefully cherry picked Muslim geezer – is the contempt that much of the Muslim community hold of the natives, nor that amongst themselves they call us ‘kuffar’.

    Nevertheless, and entirely predictably, the programme has been widely panned as racist.

  219. @Simon in London
    In my London neighbourhood (mostly upper working class) most of the children have a white mother & black father. I think lack of miscegenation is an American thing, and to some extent a middle-class thing.

    It seems common among the white dregs here in the US South. White underclasses are already mimicking blacks in other ways, so not surprising.

  220. @Chuck
    As usual the Chinese are making subpar copies of western products.

    In this case I’d say they made a large improvement.

  221. @Whiskey
    No one has disproved Satoshi Kanazawa's work. That Black men are the most attractive to women of all races. And conversely, Black women the least attractive to men of all races. Chinese women and White Italian women alike seem covered by that research as depicted in the two ads.

    BUT ... China is significantly different than Italy. First, it is NOT female dominated. All ads and pretty much everything has to pass through Party censors and ultimately dictates of the Central Committee or nowadays President Xi Xinping and his personal appointees. China is very much patriarchal and allows plays to female sensibilities only up to a point. There was an ad that had a pretty Chinese woman saying she'd rather cry in the back of a Mercedes than be happy on the back of a motorcycle. It was pulled due to male rage.

    Secondly, the one-child policy and selective sex abortions of girls has left China a political and social powder keg. There are millions and millions of Chinese men who will never have a girlfriend, or even sex without prostitution, let alone marry. All those missing girls have their impact. Anything suggesting Chinese women prefer foreigners ESPECIALLY AFRICANS is a recipe for revolution that President Xi Xinping in particular is not too keen on having about.

    In my own time at Tsinghua University at Beijing I was told by students that African exchange students would monopolize the hottest Chinese coeds and bully/intimidate Chinese male students who were smaller and weaker. Right up until 100 or so of their friends showed up and gave all the Africans a beating or worse -- like tossing off a roof top. Africans are not much liked in China by Chinese men for this reason and the Chinese as heirs to a 5,000 year old civilization don't much care what Westerners think. See the failure of the Hollywood types on Tibet.

    Thirdly, Italian women don't need to obtain male resources to start a family and provide for themselves in old age (they think at least). Chinese women know there is no pension or medical care for them outside their workplace, China being a communist country it has no social welfare program, and what their mates can provide.

    Chinese women are every bit as hypergamous and sexually drawn to low IQ, impulsive, violent, socially dominant, and darker men as every other women. Unlike Italian/Western women they cannot simply give in as they live in the Communist Version of Jane Austen's world. Without a good match no kids or retirement. That means prospects, in-laws, etc.

    What's wrong with the West is at its core its women don't want or need or show any loyalty to their men; figuring with female logic that absurdities can go on forever. Not understanding how quickly things collapse. The social welfare state as substitute for marriage; mass media consumerism aimed at women, Diversity as State Religion to beat Communism and National Liberation movements are contributors. But that's the core of it.

    Imagine that ad in America in say, 1950.

    It doesn’t need disproving, since it’s patently false, look at reply rates on dating sites, “black” men rank below “whites” and “Hispanics”

  222. @Reg Cæsar

    Black Men attract white girls...
     
    This phenomenon is greatly exaggerated, if you use weight as your measurement.

    Actually, I think the avoirdupois of the average black-loving white woman is far higher that of all white women as a group.

  223. @Hibernian
    Apparently Mr. Beast is a Sedevacantist.

    Ah, the Hamlets of the ecclesiastic world.

  224. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Erik Sieven
    I think the question is not colour blind or racist, but the question is whether you have a partner market which is structured around females selecting the physically most attractive male, as in western countries today, or which is structured around parents selecting the professionally and financially best man they can get for their daughter.
    Without women looking for the most attractive man they can get there would be probably no mass migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe, and even if it still happened the consequences would be less severe.
    Of course turning to Islam would result in a gigantic cultural loss, yet this could be still better than continuing the mass migration from Subsahara Africa.

    In some Arab Muslim countries, families’ preference is to marry their sons to the daughters of their father’s brothers (father’s brother’s daughter marriage pattern). It has nothing to do with parents of daughters selecting the professionally and financially best men. It’s also incredibly dysgenic when practiced iteratively generation after generation over centuries. Even in Muslim countries that don’t follow the father’s brother’s daughter marriage pattern, there still tend to be high rates of cousin marriage. That is certainly the case among the Pakistani community in Britain.

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