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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Drowning in Data
Steve Sailer

January 17, 2024

I think I’ve stumbled upon one type of education that actually would effectively reduce an unfortunate racial gap.

Most forms of instruction don’t, of course.

In the first dozen years of this century, billionaires such as Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg and politicians like George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy obsessed over school reform as the cure for what ails us, racially speaking. All we have to do, they agreed, is fix education and then racial gaps would vanish.

So, a lot of public and private money was spent on a variety of initiatives, leftist, rightist, and centrist.

But then…nothing much happened. The gaps in school performance between the races didn’t go away as promised. …

Yet, I can imagine a variety of education that probably actually does some good at reducing racial disparities, one that, if billionaires feel like giving, our society could use more of …

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Dream


    Whites are underrepresented by 375% compared to their overall population.
     
    This isn't accounting for Jews who 1) are wildly overrepresented at Hopkins and 2) identify as whites whenever it suits them.

    Upshot: actual whites are underrepresented by a much larger factor than stated.
    , @Guest007
    @Dream

    One should assume that the mixed and Hispanic groups contain a lot of white kids who have learned to game the system. As Steve as pointed out several times, the checking of the demographic boxes is based upon the honor system. And as the Students for Fair Admissions lawsuits showed, the racial/ethnic groups used by university admissions departments are arbitrary and virtually meaningless.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Dream

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins' future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he's getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here's what he sent me.


    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 
     

    I won't be darkening their doors again and I'll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    Replies: @res, @bomag, @Twinkie, @duncsbaby

    , @Erik L
    @Dream

    maybe high achieving white Americans don't want to go to school in Baltimore.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Dream

    If you remove the foreign students, what are the percentages? Many reasonably prestigious colleges pump up their stats, and also their coffers, with full load paying foreign students. Usually the worst offenders are NYU and Northeastern U, but Hopkins has its share.

    Also, college age students have a different demographic from the general population. About half of college age students are white. Perhaps a little less.

    Still, times have changed. When I was at a prestigious college in the late 70s and early 80s, the college was primarily upper middle to upper class American whites. My family was lower upper middle class, so I was poorer than most of my classmates, although many of my classmates were poorer than I was. The biggest diversity program was the football team, since disbanded, which brought in a lot of local “ethnic “ whites who were reasonably bright and reasonably athletic. A very high percentage of the Catholic students were on the football team.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @res
    @Dream

    Thanks. Here is an archived JHU page with those numbers plus some other categories: 13 % international, 2% Native American/Pacific Islander, and 2% unknown.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    The class of 2027 is 18% white.
    https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    Then there is this. Some stunning numbers overall.
    https://hopkinshillel.org/about-us


    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.
     
    As Paleo Liberal mentioned, it would be interesting to know the international student demographics. Seems to me like many elite colleges use that to pad their black numbers. But maybe not JHU?

    Here are some 2018 era numbers for international students at JHU. Over 60% were Chinese!
    https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/johns-hopkins-university/student-life/international/

    They also note this: "Over the last several years the total Chinese population of students on campus has grown at an average rate of 31.8%." I wonder if JHU is trading on the reputation of the medical school to attract Chinese undergraduates?

    Continuing down the list other Asian countries are also well represented. There are about 30 Nigerians.

    P.S. Then there is the medical school. Perhaps they are trying to atone for this.
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/2022/09/meet-the-class-of-2026

    This class had 6,352 applicants, 576 interviews, 287 accepted students, and 118 matriculated students. There are 105 MD & 13 MD-PHD students enrolled, 6 countries & 31 states represented, and 64 female & 54 male students enrolled. 58 institutions are represented. The class is 51% Asian, 37% Caucasian, 10% Underrepresented in Medicine, and 2% Other. The average GPA is 3.94 and the average MCAT score is 521.
     

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Thomm
    @Dream


    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.
     
    Those 'Hispanics' are whites who have been following my advice, and have thus converted themselves into Hispanics with some practice.

    Any white person with zero Hispanic ancestry or connection can become a credible Hispanic, as per the excellent how-to guide that pro wrestler Scott Hall gave everyone over 30 years ago.

    Here was generic white Scott Hall as ‘himself’ in 1987, with his career still stuck in the minor league :

    https://youtu.be/veWzPQ_rIgw

    Here he was, reinvented as menacing Cuban drug lord ‘Razor Ramon’ in 1992. Yes, both personas are the same person :

    https://youtu.be/WPQCcU5pdR8

    As this was before the Internet and real names were hard to unearth, a lot of viewers never even suspected he was anything other than a Cubano.

    He became Ric Flair’s tag team partner as well as cocaine supplier. Razor’s cocaine was a lot more potent than what even Ric Flair was accustomed to, so watch the very end to see Ric Flair go utterly insane on his cocaine high :

    https://youtu.be/4vmCI7oriuk

    The last part is pure gold. Not to mention that it is very convenient that Razor’s early opponent was Randy Savage, so that Razor could say “Macho Mang” frequently.

    Pure gold, chico.

    Within 90 days, he had perfected the gimmick to an even more convincing degree; two gringos, but one of them is 100% convincing as a Cubano :

    https://youtu.be/oughezV3Doo

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dream

    Like the MIT numbers I commented on last week
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-the-misguided-war-on-the-sat/#comment-6355358

    These even more ridiculous Hopkins numbers show the minoritarian game that's been run against white gentiles for decades now. Groups performing below whites AA-quota'd up. Then white gentiles in "competition" with Asians and Jews for the remaining spots--and Jews hiding their outsized share under "white".

    What's changed lately is that there are many more really high-performing--and test-prepping, and elite college motivated--Asians and these schools have really put the pedal to the metal in quotaing in blacks and--less so--Hispanics. So you get these absolutely ridiculous situations where blacks--who would naturally have close to zero presence at any elite school (1%ish) based on capability--are at their population share, while whites are well below it and white gentiles--whose ancestors built these institutions and the nation--are the most excluded group, not just relative to merit, but relative to population share!

    ~~~

    The thing I found very odd was the combination of their published "diversity" and SAT score data:
    (from res's comment--thanks res):
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    I make them 16B + 21H + 2N+PI = 39% NAM. Yet they claim their SAT middle 50% is 1520-1560. I finally snapped to the issue that the Coleman era SAT is much easier--the scores 50 points or something higher--than when my kids took it (never mind when I took it). But still even with their bottom 25% wholly NAMs, they need 14% of their class to be NAMs with scores over 1520. Really? I'd sure like to see what all these "Hispanic" Americans actually look like and who they are.

    ~~~

    Finally:

    While I think it is sad, given it's great tradition and historic position in medicine, ultimately I'm ok with John Hopkins deciding to throw down as an anti-white university. (Honestly why whites should venture into the hellish dystopia of Baltimore is beyond me.)

    Same with Harvard. Unlike other people here, if Harvard's trustees want it to be 16% or 60% black, black, black--have at it.

    But ... whites should have the same rights. The right to have white--or traditional American--institutions without legal and political and financial harassment.

    Whites--unlike the squawking minoritarians--actually build stuff. And we can build again. As with immigration, DIE and much else ... just get out of our face and let us live and govern ourselves as we want.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  2. It’s the hard bigotry of float expectations.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  3. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    Whites are underrepresented by 375% compared to their overall population.

    This isn’t accounting for Jews who 1) are wildly overrepresented at Hopkins and 2) identify as whites whenever it suits them.

    Upshot: actual whites are underrepresented by a much larger factor than stated.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, AndrewR
  4. All of this is happening because it is allowed to happen by the majority. That’s where the blame begins and ends. All this nonsense about body positivity, hair, etc. Crack jokes all you want, who looks worse? The efficient, intelligent, hardworking sorts who still subsidize and enable all this or the clueless clowns?

    BTW, I don’t know if Africans can swim or not, but they are standing up to a certain small crybully country while simultaneously the good swimmers are groveling to Mr. Bibi, shoveling cash at him. They do a little complaining, but what working gal doesn’t complain about her pimp?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Ennui


    All of this is happening because it is allowed to happen by the majority. That’s where the blame begins and ends.
     
    Majorities are often fractious and hacked by a dedicated minority. See Bolsheviks, et al.

    Replies: @Ennui

  5. Mildly OT, but I think this needs to be explicitly highlighted and pointed out…..

    Donald Trump despite all his legal ordeals and despite his obvious ridiculosity, still remains a major player in the fake election fake sweepstakes.

    Why? Everybody despises him, everyone knows he’s a clown. So, …WHY is he still such a front runner?

    It is because White America is trying to tell the ruling class: We HATE You. We hate you with every fiber of our being, and we know perfectly well that you hate us back, but that is the whole point.

    We HATE you.

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    WE *HATE* YOU.

    It’s not a rhet0rical ploy, it is now an actual, French-Revolution type of thing, a Tom Paine kind of thing.

    WE FUCKING HATE YOU.

    Did you hear us?

    WE HATE YOU.

    Get it loud and clear. Just in case you missed it…

    WE HATE YOU.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Currahee
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yes, indeed.
    I don't care for Trump (see Ann Coulter for reasons); but his enemies make me determined to vote for him.

    PS: took a pass on the 2020 election, showing up the polling place in '24.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think DJT knows this.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/12/trump-tweet-meme-1.jpg

    , @CalCooledge
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Exactly. It's sending a message. As the bumpersticker says, "Trump 2024: Because FU".

    , @Anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.
     
    In other words, instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back, they just want a giant vulgar middle finger put up to the ruling class they expect will keep ruling forever, with them as the eternal oppressed/victim class.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Stan Adams

  6. I went to an elite college back in the day.

    Not only did we have a swim test, but there were mandatory sports classes for freshmen and sophomores. Athletes on the school’s teams were exempt, or, rather they could count their practices for gym credit.

    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.

    In those days the student athletes at elite colleges were not expected to be great. It was often a way for working families, often local, with bright kids who were good but not world class athletes to get their kids into a top notch school. These days the elite colleges often dominate their D-3 divisions because the way for an upper middle class student to get to a top school is now to absolutely excel at some club sport. And Steve and others have pointed out how much club sports are dominated by upper middle class and upper class white families.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    About 32 percent of U.S. colleges and universities require students to take some sort of physical education course to graduate—down from 39 percent in 2010 and 97 percent a century ago, according to a new study from Oregon State University.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2023/01/25/college-physical-education-requirements-continue-decline

    I always thought PE requirements for high school and college were worthless and it seems that most universities agree these days.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Paleo Liberal


    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.
     
    It was a better, saner world.

    In my opinion there is a whole raft of activities and skills that respectively young men and young women ought to be either exposed to or gaining competence in beyond the academic--and not just athletics and fitness, but practical skill competence including things like firearms and self-defense. The chance to really dig in academically is important, but a lot of pile on is unnecessary as the academic work that moves us forward, takes place later in college and grad school as smart brains really engage with a discipline.

    Our main problem is minoritarian propaganda and the destruction it is sowing. But stronger, healthier more well-rounded people would help.

    Replies: @Erik L

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Paleo Liberal

    We had to take two years of "gym". I took fencing one semester (which was cool) and bowling another.

    Mens sana in corpore sano was inscribed in stone on the entrance to my high school gym.

  7. The following is a concise overview about learning that can benefit anyone, not just software developers. It’s also a reminder that success in most professional careers requires lifelong learning.

    10 Things Software Developers Should Learn about Learning
    January 2024 | Communications of the ACM
    https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2024/1/278891-10-things-software-developers-should-learn-about-learning/fulltext

    “Just because we learn does not mean we understand how we learn. One survey in the U.S. found that the majority of beliefs about memory were contrary to those of scientific consensus: People do not intuitively understand how memory and learning work.

    As an example, consider learning styles. Advocates of learning styles claim that effective instruction matches learners’ preferred styles—visual learners look, auditory learners listen, and kinesthetic learners do. A 2020 review found that 89% of people believe that learners’ preferred styles should dictate instruction, though researchers have known for several decades that this is inaccurate. While learners have preferred styles, effective instruction matches the content, not learning styles. A science class should use graphs to present data rather than verbal descriptions, regardless of visual or auditory learning styles, just like cooking classes should use hands-on practices rather than reading, whether learners prefer a kinesthetic style or not.

    Decades of research into cognitive psychology, education, and programming education provide strong insights into how we learn. The next 10 sections of this article provide research-backed findings about learning that apply to software developers and discuss their practical implications. This information can help with learning for yourself, teaching junior staff, and recruiting staff. . . .”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Voltarde

    The guy who came up with the 14 styles of learning later repudiated it, even though it has now become part of the conventional wisdom.

    Some things, like multiplication tables, have to be learned by rote.

  8. “Yet, I can imagine a variety of education that probably actually does some good at reducing racial disparities, one that, if billionaires feel like giving, our society could use more of … ”

    …and this is one way plant tickets to Lagos for Afrukin Uhmericans?

  9. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    One should assume that the mixed and Hispanic groups contain a lot of white kids who have learned to game the system. As Steve as pointed out several times, the checking of the demographic boxes is based upon the honor system. And as the Students for Fair Admissions lawsuits showed, the racial/ethnic groups used by university admissions departments are arbitrary and virtually meaningless.

  10. @Paleo Liberal
    I went to an elite college back in the day.

    Not only did we have a swim test, but there were mandatory sports classes for freshmen and sophomores. Athletes on the school’s teams were exempt, or, rather they could count their practices for gym credit.

    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.

    In those days the student athletes at elite colleges were not expected to be great. It was often a way for working families, often local, with bright kids who were good but not world class athletes to get their kids into a top notch school. These days the elite colleges often dominate their D-3 divisions because the way for an upper middle class student to get to a top school is now to absolutely excel at some club sport. And Steve and others have pointed out how much club sports are dominated by upper middle class and upper class white families.

    Replies: @Guest007, @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob

    About 32 percent of U.S. colleges and universities require students to take some sort of physical education course to graduate—down from 39 percent in 2010 and 97 percent a century ago, according to a new study from Oregon State University.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2023/01/25/college-physical-education-requirements-continue-decline

    I always thought PE requirements for high school and college were worthless and it seems that most universities agree these days.

    • Agree: fish
  11. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins’ future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he’s getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here’s what he sent me.

    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 

    I won’t be darkening their doors again and I’ll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    • Replies: @res
    @Bill Jones

    Thanks. It is helpful to see organizations so blatantly choosing sides. Not to be forgotten.

    , @bomag
    @Bill Jones

    That is stark; reads like someone indulging their hatreds.

    Replaced "privileged" with "wreckers" and things became clearer.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @Twinkie
    @Bill Jones

    That letter was authored and sent by the head of DIE ("Chief Diversity Officer") at Johns Hopkins Hospital (one guess as to race): https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.

    Replies: @res

    , @duncsbaby
    @Bill Jones

    The phrase, "White privilege," is a blood-libel.

  12. Timely overlap with this reporting from the NY Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/nyregion/swim-lessons-children-nyc.html

    It’s nice to see things like this get attention at the local level, but it’s pretty scattershot because there is no easy way for the legions of race consultants to really monetize it for their own benefit.

  13. Superb, important essay about teaching swimming, but I will comment on the related issue of rescue; vastly increasing the odds that a young, drowning swimmer is going to be rescued. I know something about this. (Note my handle)

    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” – – and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.

    By the way, suppose your loved one is out there in open water, and you are watching him. What does an open-water drowning look like? There are several factors, but the main one is “failure to make progress” (despite trying to do so). If the affirmative-action lifeguard has missed this, wake him or her up, calling her attention to your drowning kid. If you are chancy enough to be a swimming at an ungusrded beach, then in you go, and if it’s deep water I hope you’re up on your approach, parries, breaking the holds, and carries.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @SafeNow

    Looks like it is the 85+ geezer demographic that is drowning the most.

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1747555888700043655

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+.

    Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Guest007, @Ralph L

    , @AnotherDad
    @SafeNow


    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” – – and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.
     
    Great content SafeNow, thanks. (And yeah, cell phones are really the enemy of people concentrating on anything. If they are on their phone they are not doing whatever else it is they are supposedly doing.)
    , @Elli
    @SafeNow

    I saw a near downing once. A little three y.o. in her own pool. Her father told me all the children could swim.

    So here was this little girl treading water, looking straight at me. Her mouth and nose under water. But treading water very industriously, swimming as her father told me she could. And just as it dawned on me how frightened her eyes were, her father also realized and snatched her out of the pool.

    Drowning is quiet.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  14. Why is Steve so obsessed with black people?

    Steve makes fun of the MSM’s obsession with blacks and then turns around and writes endless – and endlessly boring – articles on black traffic statistics and blacks drowning morr than whites.

    Like the managerial class to which he belongs, Steve has little interest in working class whites, except when they get uppity and threaten the system. He also isn’t too interested in Hispanics even though they are the majority in his home area of Southern California.

    In the end, Steve is a loyal member of his class. Nothing wrong with that, though it’s a shame that he doesn’t feel the same loyalty to his real people.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  15. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve personally found that swimming is not like “learning to ride a bicycle”: if there’s a gap in practice you lose much of it. I’ve learned from scratch twice in my life, and lost it twice. As a kid I completed the YMCA’s Minnows program, and then discovered as an adult I could no longer swim at all. (This would presumably be what a mandatory college swim course would be like.)

    Then, embarrassed by this, in my late 30’s started from scratch (3-foot deep pool practicing putting my head below water), three or four hour-long lessons a week plus daily time in a local public 50-meter pool. Eventually I swam a 5 km open water event (second to last place). After that I didn’t swim for a few years, then tried an 800 meter open water event and had to be rescued about a third of the way through.

    I think the swimming gap may be like the “books in the home” gap, where intensive daycare and mentoring programs only resulted in minor increases in vocabulary and reading skills, followed by fade-out. Ultimately there are few books in homes where the parents don’t like books, because the parents aren’t that smart, and their kids get their genes from the parents. Or the “college degree” gap that seems to get degrees (BAMN) in the hands of kids with 90 IQs thinking they’ll then thrive in jobs that college graduates a few decades ago thrived in.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Anon


    I’ve personally found that swimming is not like “learning to ride a bicycle”: if there’s a gap in practice you lose much of it. I’ve learned from scratch twice in my life, and lost it twice.
     
    Thanks for sharing that. I too, forgot how to swim. People always act like I’m nuts when I tell them that.
  16. @SafeNow
    Superb, important essay about teaching swimming, but I will comment on the related issue of rescue; vastly increasing the odds that a young, drowning swimmer is going to be rescued. I know something about this. (Note my handle)

    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” - - and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.

    By the way, suppose your loved one is out there in open water, and you are watching him. What does an open-water drowning look like? There are several factors, but the main one is “failure to make progress” (despite trying to do so). If the affirmative-action lifeguard has missed this, wake him or her up, calling her attention to your drowning kid. If you are chancy enough to be a swimming at an ungusrded beach, then in you go, and if it’s deep water I hope you’re up on your approach, parries, breaking the holds, and carries.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Elli

    Looks like it is the 85+ geezer demographic that is drowning the most.

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+.

    Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Pixo


    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+. Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?
     
    Well Matthew Perry drowned in his hot tub, and he was over 85 - in physical if not chronological age.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Guest007
    @Pixo

    Think fishing and boating. A heart attack, a stroke, or other acute medical condition happens while on is standing in water, next to the water, or in a small boat.

    , @Ralph L
    @Pixo

    Many of the old guys drowning could be suicides.

  17. Yet, I can imagine a variety of education that probably actually does some good at reducing racial disparities, one that, if billionaires feel like giving, our society could use more of: swimming lessons.

    Swimming lessons?

    I was hoping for something with some real impact like “sex education”.

    In depth sex education explaining the differences between the sexes–not just reproductive, but the whole gamut: physical strength, stamina, injury susceptibility; mental capabilities, personality traits, skills, interests; mating interest, attactors (genetic quality proxies, fertility), strategies; the purpose of marriage, it’s absolute criticality in skilled civilized societies vs. primitive ones; marriage, children and family as the bedrocks of human happiness–especially for women–and creating meaning in life; women’s shorter reproductive window and need to close the marriage deal in a timely fashion and present an appealing wife/mother package to the quality men they seek.

    Nothing you do sort of genetic engineering is going to make blacks like whites. But I think real sex education–ergo life education–could really help close the racial gap. 1960’s 3% white, 20% black illegitimacy was far more conducive to racial tolerance than today’s 25% white, 70% black illegitimacy (and highly dysgenic fertility). Not to mention much more conducive to civilization in general. As is anything that gets young people–especially young women–thinking about genes and their long term genetic interests.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad

    "highly dysgenic fertility"

    Sad little tale from the UK today. Woman of 40-odd with two kids has another ("Bronson"), by a guy of 58 with heart issues. Little lad is 2 years old, just the age to enjoy Christmas for the first time.

    Mum and Dad have a row just before Christmas, mum sods off and leaves them.

    Don't think it was a great Christmas. A neighbour looked in on Boxing Day and the dad thanked him for caring.

    Some time after Dec 27th Dad has a heart attack and dies.


    A social worker first raised the alarm to police on January 2 when she was unable to reach Kenneth following a routine visit to the house and enquiries through friends and family.

    They visited again on January 4 but there was still no response from them and again the police were alerted.

    Five days later, the bodies of the pair were tragically discovered, with a starved and dehydrated Bronson curling up at his dead father's knees in the dark.

    He was sat alongside their pet boxer dog Skylar who was found emaciated but survived.
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12972759/bronson-battersby-final-fortnight-starved-dehydrated-five-days.html
  18. I remember hearing about a mandatory swim test when I visited Washington and Lee University a while ago. The student tour guide said that a wealthy couple who had lost a child to drowning offered a big donation on the condition that the school make passing a swimming test a requirement to graduate. It looks like they still have it:

    https://my.wlu.edu/physical-education-department/swim-test-faq

  19. @SafeNow
    Superb, important essay about teaching swimming, but I will comment on the related issue of rescue; vastly increasing the odds that a young, drowning swimmer is going to be rescued. I know something about this. (Note my handle)

    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” - - and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.

    By the way, suppose your loved one is out there in open water, and you are watching him. What does an open-water drowning look like? There are several factors, but the main one is “failure to make progress” (despite trying to do so). If the affirmative-action lifeguard has missed this, wake him or her up, calling her attention to your drowning kid. If you are chancy enough to be a swimming at an ungusrded beach, then in you go, and if it’s deep water I hope you’re up on your approach, parries, breaking the holds, and carries.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Elli

    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” – – and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.

    Great content SafeNow, thanks. (And yeah, cell phones are really the enemy of people concentrating on anything. If they are on their phone they are not doing whatever else it is they are supposedly doing.)

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  20. I don’t think they will continue to put much effort into closing the gap from either the supply (educators) or the demand (blacks) side, since DIE dictates that the gaps don’t matter – for practical purposes the gaps don’t even exist. DIE is sort of like a magic spell – a white man scores 98 on the test, and a black woman scores 54, but the black woman is actually the superior sort because the sum of the qualities of blackness and woman-ness is worth at least 46 test points (in reality, it’s worth infinity points). So, a sort of magic, except that denying that blackness and woman-ness is worth infinity points is illegal if you’re an employer.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  21. @SafeNow
    Superb, important essay about teaching swimming, but I will comment on the related issue of rescue; vastly increasing the odds that a young, drowning swimmer is going to be rescued. I know something about this. (Note my handle)

    Drownings do not always happen like on tv, with the victim yelling and waving. Very often, drownings happen quickly, and quietly. Therefore, the cliche of “adult supervision” gives a misleadingly cavalier idea about how to ensure that a child will not drown in a pool, or in open water. The pool-safety organizations say that there must be a designated “water watcher” - - and this means eyes on the kid every second. The water-watcher wears a funny hat or necklace. When the water-watcher can no longer concentrate, he gives the funny hat to someone else. A cell phone is nearby, within easy reach, but the water watcher may not play with it; sorry.

    By the way, suppose your loved one is out there in open water, and you are watching him. What does an open-water drowning look like? There are several factors, but the main one is “failure to make progress” (despite trying to do so). If the affirmative-action lifeguard has missed this, wake him or her up, calling her attention to your drowning kid. If you are chancy enough to be a swimming at an ungusrded beach, then in you go, and if it’s deep water I hope you’re up on your approach, parries, breaking the holds, and carries.

    Replies: @Pixo, @AnotherDad, @Elli

    I saw a near downing once. A little three y.o. in her own pool. Her father told me all the children could swim.

    So here was this little girl treading water, looking straight at me. Her mouth and nose under water. But treading water very industriously, swimming as her father told me she could. And just as it dawned on me how frightened her eyes were, her father also realized and snatched her out of the pool.

    Drowning is quiet.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Elli


    Drowning is quiet.
     
    My wife and I, when we started to have children, trained all our babies to flip up (face up to sky, back toward water), float, and scream/cry to draw attention.

    My wife is a fish and loves the water (when she was younger, she used to swim far from the shore into the ocean) and made sure to teach the kids to float since they were babies. I still have videos of her teaching them when they were just a few months old. That look of "Wah, what is still cold, slimy thing engulfing me and my face?" from the kids was priceless.
  22. @Paleo Liberal
    I went to an elite college back in the day.

    Not only did we have a swim test, but there were mandatory sports classes for freshmen and sophomores. Athletes on the school’s teams were exempt, or, rather they could count their practices for gym credit.

    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.

    In those days the student athletes at elite colleges were not expected to be great. It was often a way for working families, often local, with bright kids who were good but not world class athletes to get their kids into a top notch school. These days the elite colleges often dominate their D-3 divisions because the way for an upper middle class student to get to a top school is now to absolutely excel at some club sport. And Steve and others have pointed out how much club sports are dominated by upper middle class and upper class white families.

    Replies: @Guest007, @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob

    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.

    It was a better, saner world.

    In my opinion there is a whole raft of activities and skills that respectively young men and young women ought to be either exposed to or gaining competence in beyond the academic–and not just athletics and fitness, but practical skill competence including things like firearms and self-defense. The chance to really dig in academically is important, but a lot of pile on is unnecessary as the academic work that moves us forward, takes place later in college and grad school as smart brains really engage with a discipline.

    Our main problem is minoritarian propaganda and the destruction it is sowing. But stronger, healthier more well-rounded people would help.

    • Agree: Redneck Farmer
    • Replies: @Erik L
    @AnotherDad

    I was able to combine two of these by taking one of my required four PE classes in pistol shooting. I wonder if they still have that.

  23. @Pixo
    @SafeNow

    Looks like it is the 85+ geezer demographic that is drowning the most.

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1747555888700043655

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+.

    Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Guest007, @Ralph L

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+. Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    Well Matthew Perry drowned in his hot tub, and he was over 85 – in physical if not chronological age.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Wilkey

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12870081/Matthew-Perry-cause-death-Friends-star-killed-ketamine-drowning-death-ruled-accident.html


    Friends star Matthew Perry died from the 'acute effects of ketamine' and drowning, his autopsy has revealed - with the actor having similar quantities of ketamine in his system as a hospital patient under general anesthetic.

    'The County of Los Angeles Department of Medical Examiner determined the cause of death for 54-year-old actor Matthew Langford Perry as the acute effects of ketamine,' the Los Angeles coroner's office said on Friday.

    'Contributing factors in Mr Perry's death include drowning, coronary artery disease, and the effects of buprenorphine (used to treat opioid use disorder). The manner of death is accident.'
     
  24. How often do Blacks even get in the water? How often do you see a Black guy water skiing or even swimming laps, though I did notice there were some Black swimmers in the Olympic trials awhile back. Fitness fanatic and former Navy Seal, David Goggins is B-LA-C-K so he is that rare Black guy that can swim. Any Black surfers? Old geezers? Didn’t Jack LaLane pull 70 boats while swimming on his 70th birthday?

  25. I realize that not everyone has access to a pool, lake, etc., but letting your kids grow up without learning how to swim is a mild form of child abuse. Them falling into a pond turning into a survival situation is a parental fail.

  26. Negroes are by nature inferior swimmers. Just like they are by natural inferior at math, language, emotional control, and time management.

    Spending more money to teach them to swim will result in the same exact gap observed in all other forms of education.

    And it has nothing to do with fewer opportunities. Metro area public pools and YMCA’s have basically been handed over to these people.

  27. My guess is that the chief agitators for abolishing college swim requirements are black women, who tend to be more overweight than their rivals. While many obese black women believe they look fine, the kind who get into Williams tend to be aware that they don’t match elite society’s beauty standards while wearing bathing suits.

    You may be overthinking it. How they look in a swimsuit is a small factor, but I would add they just don’t want to learn how to swim. These women are on the path to becoming black activists. The most common trait I have noticed in them is loud and constant complaining when they are asked to do anything that even resembles work. There is tons of moaning about how tired they are and that they shouldn’t have to do whatever it is they were asked.

  28. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    maybe high achieving white Americans don’t want to go to school in Baltimore.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Erik L

    From what I’ve seen on the internet when my kids were applying to college; Hopkins uses being In Baltimore to its advantage.

    There are a number of colleges at around the same level in higher cost of living areas (NYC, Boston, DC, LA, etc). Hopkins dorm costs, and the cost for living off campus, are much cheaper.
    So, they give a lot less in tuition aid. Thus the overall cost is about the same.

    Of course, quite a few students decide they would rather live in NYC, DC, LA or Boston for the same cost as living in Baltimore.

    Replies: @Erik L

  29. @AnotherDad
    @Paleo Liberal


    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.
     
    It was a better, saner world.

    In my opinion there is a whole raft of activities and skills that respectively young men and young women ought to be either exposed to or gaining competence in beyond the academic--and not just athletics and fitness, but practical skill competence including things like firearms and self-defense. The chance to really dig in academically is important, but a lot of pile on is unnecessary as the academic work that moves us forward, takes place later in college and grad school as smart brains really engage with a discipline.

    Our main problem is minoritarian propaganda and the destruction it is sowing. But stronger, healthier more well-rounded people would help.

    Replies: @Erik L

    I was able to combine two of these by taking one of my required four PE classes in pistol shooting. I wonder if they still have that.

  30. I took swim lessons as a tot and my parents had to elect it and pay for it at the Y. The fact that it is not required for the very young and provided at school is probably the biggest factor in the disparity.

    Some of it, however, might be differences in leanness. Fat floats so swimming is one of the few physical endeavors in which it helps to be a little fluffier.

  31. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    If you remove the foreign students, what are the percentages? Many reasonably prestigious colleges pump up their stats, and also their coffers, with full load paying foreign students. Usually the worst offenders are NYU and Northeastern U, but Hopkins has its share.

    Also, college age students have a different demographic from the general population. About half of college age students are white. Perhaps a little less.

    Still, times have changed. When I was at a prestigious college in the late 70s and early 80s, the college was primarily upper middle to upper class American whites. My family was lower upper middle class, so I was poorer than most of my classmates, although many of my classmates were poorer than I was. The biggest diversity program was the football team, since disbanded, which brought in a lot of local “ethnic “ whites who were reasonably bright and reasonably athletic. A very high percentage of the Catholic students were on the football team.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Paleo Liberal

    The pie doughnut chart in the tweet has a separate slice of 13% for foreign students. That's 30% Asian-American.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  32. The problem with all of this is:

    Steve has pointed out how club sports kids tend to be the offspring of financially stable white famines in which the father plays a large role. I think of my kids, and there have been only two times when a club or rec league assistant coach has been non-white. One of those times the assistant coach was a former minor league baseball player, and this was Little League. He knew what he was doing.

    At the high school level, outside of football, basketball and track, one sees few non-whites. Where I live, The vast majority of white students participate in at least one sport at least one time. The next highest group is Asians, but quite a few of them are adopted. Most of the Asian kids my kids did sports with were adopted. One of the ones who was not adopted lived with his white stepfather. Some of the kids had an Asian mother and a white father.

    Some Hispanics play soccer.

    Generally, there are a ton of issues keeping poor families, especially without a father, out of the picture.
    Money
    Transportation
    Time
    Motivation
    Publicity— many non- whites don’t know about the programs.

    In Milwaukee and Madison there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    If some enlightened billionaire wanted to start a swing program for disadvantaged youth, he would need to finance transportation as well. I knew a (black) track coach who often had to give rides to some of the kids who didn’t have adequate transportation.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    At NCAA Division One schools. there are a maximum of 47 team members but only 20 scholarships. If a crew member gets a scholarship, it will most likely be a partial but could result in getting the athletes advantage in admission. The problem with being an athlete in college is the time commitments that can make having certain majors very difficult.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.
     
    Every school is already madly grasping at any minority they can get. Zero minorities are getting college rejections because they are not rowing crew. Exactly the opposite is happening: minorities are getting acceptances to schools above their capabilities. A program to "land them a place in a better school" will make the current situation even worse.

    This braindead liberalism is exactly how we got here. For the love of God liberals, stop now, before you injure more!

    The only thing this "interesting STEM and rowing program" will accomplish is occluding one of the last avenues through which white students can get a college acceptance. If that is your goal, at least be honest about it.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Ardrguutf

    , @International Jew
    @Paleo Liberal


    STEM and rowing
     
    Rowing is an endurance sport so it doesn't strike me as all that well targeted at blacks' comparative advantage.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.
     
    Yep, even a good swimmer will drown if an oar ("blade" in the parlance) handle or the boat itself conks him on the head. Or if a non-swimmer smothers him.
    , @Bill P
    @Paleo Liberal

    I rowed competitively in high school. Rowing was actually cheaper in Seattle than other sports because the boathouses were publicly funded and Pocock donated racing shells. All you needed was spandex shorts and a tank top. Maybe also running shoes for doing stairs and wind sprints.

    I don't think blacks have any physical advantage in rowing. Their sense of rhythm may be helpful in the sport, but otherwise rowing is monotonous, painful drudgery that requires, in addition to power and endurance, an ability to ignore your body when it is screaming "enough!"

    I was good at it, but aside from the quiet mornings on a still lake, I didn't like it much. I don't see why it would appeal to blacks, either. Any black who has what it takes to row competitively could probably excel in another, better sport (sorry rowers: although I admire your dedication, it's a boring sport and waste of time -- lots of time).

    As for using sports to help blacks out, I think we've reached a point of diminishing return/saturation. They are already wildly overrepresented in American sports, American sports are in many instances deliberately designed to exploit black physical advantages (e.g. constant breaks in football), and universities directly profit from black athletes, giving them far higher representation on campus than they would have otherwise.

    What else should we do? Eliminate engineering schools so we can add double dutch and stuff some more blacks in colleges? Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    Replies: @Guest007, @YetAnotherAnon, @Buzz Mohawk

  33. @Pixo
    @SafeNow

    Looks like it is the 85+ geezer demographic that is drowning the most.

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1747555888700043655

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+.

    Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Guest007, @Ralph L

    Think fishing and boating. A heart attack, a stroke, or other acute medical condition happens while on is standing in water, next to the water, or in a small boat.

  34. From the Dartmouth Alumni Magazine late last year:

    66 New Reasons to Love Dartmouth: Let the lovefest begin!

    8. One Less Splash for Everyone
    Faculty—it was their call—voted to eliminate the swim test in 2022. Enacted more than a century ago to help students prepare for military service, the 50-yard test was suspended during the pandemic and then deemed unfair to the increasing number of students who arrive with limited swimming skills.

    Needless to say, this isn’t their attitude towards people who arrive with “limited English-language skills” or “limited executive functioning” (of which there are a surprising number at Dartmouth).

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @Gilbert Ratchet


    ... the 50-yard test was suspended during the pandemic and then deemed unfair to the increasing number of students who arrive with limited swimming skills.
     
    This is the moronic way that the woke think, namely that being fair is more important than ensuring that students have an important skill.
  35. @Paleo Liberal
    The problem with all of this is:

    Steve has pointed out how club sports kids tend to be the offspring of financially stable white famines in which the father plays a large role. I think of my kids, and there have been only two times when a club or rec league assistant coach has been non-white. One of those times the assistant coach was a former minor league baseball player, and this was Little League. He knew what he was doing.

    At the high school level, outside of football, basketball and track, one sees few non-whites. Where I live, The vast majority of white students participate in at least one sport at least one time. The next highest group is Asians, but quite a few of them are adopted. Most of the Asian kids my kids did sports with were adopted. One of the ones who was not adopted lived with his white stepfather. Some of the kids had an Asian mother and a white father.

    Some Hispanics play soccer.

    Generally, there are a ton of issues keeping poor families, especially without a father, out of the picture.
    Money
    Transportation
    Time
    Motivation
    Publicity— many non- whites don’t know about the programs.

    In Milwaukee and Madison there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    If some enlightened billionaire wanted to start a swing program for disadvantaged youth, he would need to finance transportation as well. I knew a (black) track coach who often had to give rides to some of the kids who didn’t have adequate transportation.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Almost Missouri, @International Jew, @Bill P

    At NCAA Division One schools. there are a maximum of 47 team members but only 20 scholarships. If a crew member gets a scholarship, it will most likely be a partial but could result in getting the athletes advantage in admission. The problem with being an athlete in college is the time commitments that can make having certain majors very difficult.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Guest007

    Note that is women’s rowing. No scholarships for men. This is to make up for all the football scholarships.

    I remember one year reading about how the coach at Wisconsin offered 8 girls scholarships for the incoming class, and was allowed to give admission preference for another 8. Enough for two boats. I used to talk to some of the Wisconsin women rowers who stopped to pet my dog when I was walking him near practice. The vast majority of the freshwomen had played some other sport in HS.

    Preferential enrollment is interesting. For example, the Ivies and the prestigious D-3 liberal arts colleges don’t give scholarships. But students given preferential admission are in no matter what. If a scholarship athlete leaves the team, the scholarship is gone. But a student with preferential admission stays in the school. For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous. In many cases the aid is better than the scholarships at State U



    It is possible the 8 scholarship girls were partial. I really don’t know.

    The men’s coach was notorious for carrying an oar with a mark on it at about 6’2” around campus and going to as many freshman greeting events as possible. Anyone taller than the mark was invited to try out for the men’s team. I know a guy who is 6’3” who was approached by the coach but didn’t want to attend 5 AM practices.
    Seriously, some of the guys signed up by being taller than the mark on the oar wound up in the Olympics.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Don Bob

  36. @Pixo
    @SafeNow

    Looks like it is the 85+ geezer demographic that is drowning the most.

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1747555888700043655

    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+.

    Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Guest007, @Ralph L

    Many of the old guys drowning could be suicides.

  37. Financial literacy is another important skill that needs that should be taught.

    .

    • Agree: Muggles
  38. Williams is knows as the most athletic top liberal arts school. Something like 40 percent of the kids are varsity athletes. That probably includes a majority of the white students. So I can see minorities who are not in great shape, going to school in the Berkshires with a bunch of wealthy, fit white kids feeling pretty edgy.

  39. @Paleo Liberal
    @Dream

    If you remove the foreign students, what are the percentages? Many reasonably prestigious colleges pump up their stats, and also their coffers, with full load paying foreign students. Usually the worst offenders are NYU and Northeastern U, but Hopkins has its share.

    Also, college age students have a different demographic from the general population. About half of college age students are white. Perhaps a little less.

    Still, times have changed. When I was at a prestigious college in the late 70s and early 80s, the college was primarily upper middle to upper class American whites. My family was lower upper middle class, so I was poorer than most of my classmates, although many of my classmates were poorer than I was. The biggest diversity program was the football team, since disbanded, which brought in a lot of local “ethnic “ whites who were reasonably bright and reasonably athletic. A very high percentage of the Catholic students were on the football team.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    The pie doughnut chart in the tweet has a separate slice of 13% for foreign students. That’s 30% Asian-American.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Ralph L

    OK, I missed that.

    Well, for the past 50-60 years we’ve been importing highly educated people from Asia. (Even longer, but the past was at a lower level).

    This is what happens.

  40. The main reasons that negroes drown more than whites is because their bodies have denser bones, causing them to sink more than whites, this plus a higher use of intoxicating substances, and a markedly lower intelligence leading to less ability to estimate risk.

    All this poppycock about past discrimination and racism causing problems today is not valid anymore. Blacks have had every privilege thrown at them for the past 50 years and get worshiped by politicians, media, education and the sports industry and if they are too stupid to take advantage of it, it’s not the problem of whites to worry about.

  41. When I was in Navy boot camp we got taken to the pool and, had to swim across in our clothes. Useful ability to have if your ship is sinking.

    All of the white guys did it with no problem. The black guys from the ghettos of Chicago and Detroit sank like rocks and, had to be fished out. They all got special swimming lessons until they could get across the pool with their clothes on.

    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn’t swim would join the Navy. Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @rienzi

    Absolutely agree (although Army). For many, many Americans it was the beginning of “eye opening/noticing”. I remember hushed, nervous discussions on the way back from the pool. For Whites, pretty much all could swim with varying levels of skill and some with serious skill. Not a single black could. All these years later and I still vividly remember this.

    , @Muggles
    @rienzi


    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn’t swim would join the Navy.
     
    According to nearly every history book I've read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few "pools" existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.

    I think some living in warm climates or the Mediterranean area did learn as children at beaches, but even then not meany. Bathing was thought to be unhealthy (and water often polluted with sewage) so swimming just wasn't done. Females were especially unlikely to swim as not wearing bulky clothes to keep men from seeing their bodies was considered immoral or provocative.

    Of course deep ocean sailors didn't swim, but that likely wouldn't do much good if wooden ships sank. A few sailors did learn but it was rare.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Twinkie
    @rienzi


    Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.
     
    I mentioned an older friend of mine who used be a B-52 pilot for the USAF (back when there was SAC). He LOOOOOVES flying. He lives for it. Every chance he gets, even now, he flies his own prop plane. He wants to die in his plane (while flying it).

    The funny thing about all that is that he is terrified of height.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  42. Well America is certainly drowning in black dysfunction and crime. What’s the solution for that?

  43. @Wilkey
    @Pixo


    I see a lot of old guys doing laps but generally not 85+. Or are these guys having heart attacks in the tub and being counted as drowners?
     
    Well Matthew Perry drowned in his hot tub, and he was over 85 - in physical if not chronological age.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12870081/Matthew-Perry-cause-death-Friends-star-killed-ketamine-drowning-death-ruled-accident.html

    Friends star Matthew Perry died from the ‘acute effects of ketamine’ and drowning, his autopsy has revealed – with the actor having similar quantities of ketamine in his system as a hospital patient under general anesthetic.

    ‘The County of Los Angeles Department of Medical Examiner determined the cause of death for 54-year-old actor Matthew Langford Perry as the acute effects of ketamine,’ the Los Angeles coroner’s office said on Friday.

    ‘Contributing factors in Mr Perry’s death include drowning, coronary artery disease, and the effects of buprenorphine (used to treat opioid use disorder). The manner of death is accident.’

  44. @Paleo Liberal
    The problem with all of this is:

    Steve has pointed out how club sports kids tend to be the offspring of financially stable white famines in which the father plays a large role. I think of my kids, and there have been only two times when a club or rec league assistant coach has been non-white. One of those times the assistant coach was a former minor league baseball player, and this was Little League. He knew what he was doing.

    At the high school level, outside of football, basketball and track, one sees few non-whites. Where I live, The vast majority of white students participate in at least one sport at least one time. The next highest group is Asians, but quite a few of them are adopted. Most of the Asian kids my kids did sports with were adopted. One of the ones who was not adopted lived with his white stepfather. Some of the kids had an Asian mother and a white father.

    Some Hispanics play soccer.

    Generally, there are a ton of issues keeping poor families, especially without a father, out of the picture.
    Money
    Transportation
    Time
    Motivation
    Publicity— many non- whites don’t know about the programs.

    In Milwaukee and Madison there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    If some enlightened billionaire wanted to start a swing program for disadvantaged youth, he would need to finance transportation as well. I knew a (black) track coach who often had to give rides to some of the kids who didn’t have adequate transportation.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Almost Missouri, @International Jew, @Bill P

    there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    Every school is already madly grasping at any minority they can get. Zero minorities are getting college rejections because they are not rowing crew. Exactly the opposite is happening: minorities are getting acceptances to schools above their capabilities. A program to “land them a place in a better school” will make the current situation even worse.

    This braindead liberalism is exactly how we got here. For the love of God liberals, stop now, before you injure more!

    The only thing this “interesting STEM and rowing program” will accomplish is occluding one of the last avenues through which white students can get a college acceptance. If that is your goal, at least be honest about it.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    What you may not realize is that, to a large extent, college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.

    Also, participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity and increases the chances of college and a productive career.

    Let me say that I would rather have poor kids from Madison (where I live) and Milwaukee (where some of my kids used to live) in boats, in tutoring sessions, in college and in jobs rather than on the streets causing trouble. If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.

    And if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ennui

    , @Ardrguutf
    @Almost Missouri

    Are minorities, or majorities, “rowing crew”? Is that what they do? Can one “row crew”, or can one simply be a member of a rowing crew, that is, a crew of rowers?

  45. More data- John Lott.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
  46. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.
     
    Every school is already madly grasping at any minority they can get. Zero minorities are getting college rejections because they are not rowing crew. Exactly the opposite is happening: minorities are getting acceptances to schools above their capabilities. A program to "land them a place in a better school" will make the current situation even worse.

    This braindead liberalism is exactly how we got here. For the love of God liberals, stop now, before you injure more!

    The only thing this "interesting STEM and rowing program" will accomplish is occluding one of the last avenues through which white students can get a college acceptance. If that is your goal, at least be honest about it.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Ardrguutf

    What you may not realize is that, to a large extent, college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.

    Also, participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity and increases the chances of college and a productive career.

    Let me say that I would rather have poor kids from Madison (where I live) and Milwaukee (where some of my kids used to live) in boats, in tutoring sessions, in college and in jobs rather than on the streets causing trouble. If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.

    And if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.
     
    Citation needed.

    participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity
     
    Great, but that wasn't the purpose one comment ago. Back then it was to displace someone else from a college acceptance. Someone non-minority, i.e., white.

    If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.
     
    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in and take Tyler and Roscoe's college spots! /s. The median foreign student is the scion of a petty oligarch from Asia, Arabia or Latin America.

    Foreign students are admitted for their money. The college budget assumes a certain number of these. If they do sports too, fine, but it doesn't change the prospects for natives, who are admitted on a different track.

    if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.
     
    Shifting logic, retconned arguments, and virtue signaling for dessert: Liberalism confirmed. Perhaps not just Paleo, but Petrified?

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Ennui
    @Paleo Liberal

    There were no after-school basketball programs in the 1940s and 50s were there? Sports have proven to be ineffective in increased dysfunction and decay. I'm not sure bringing in a large number of youth into college sports teams have made campuses safer. Perhaps I'm wrong and the stats will back you up.

    Forcing young men into work details and crews is far more effective. Pay them well, but let them know that if they refuse to work other measures will be resorted to. Salutary, public, ruthless, corporal punishment is probably more effective than any number of coaching mentorships and cheaper. There will be some criminal sorts of all races who will not be able to work even if well paid. Make sure they are culled.

    But can't do that, wouldn't want to trouble the white ladies, libs, serious people, and normie cons. They hate violence done in their names where they can see it. Violence is correctly meted out overseas and while wearing a camo costume on hapless peasants and their children.

  47. It won’t be fixed. It’s been tried. In my area each summer hordes 16-year-old blond girls in skin-tight swimsuits descended on the inner-city pools after volunteering to teach swim lessons. Why not? They’re nice kids. They’re on the swim team. They want to help. They splashed about with the tiny black children, doing their best, while the while the brothers and cousins of the tiny black children stood outside the fence, screaming obscenities and threatening rape in the parking lot. Each summer it lasted exactly one day. Now they don’t even try.

  48. In the quest to buoy up black bodies, maybe y’all’d be interested in a field report.

    Over the years I’ve logged a number of stays at midrange hotels in middle class districts. One of the fringe benefits of this for me was the hotel’s swimming pool and “fitness center”, which offer amenities I’m too cheap and itinerant to subscribe to otherwise.

    In the past, there was typically not much competition for any of this, but since the Summer of Floyd and Lockdownapalooza a new era has dawned. Midrange hotel swimming pools are suddenly full of black bodies. Mostly female. Mostly about age 8-30. Yes, with expensive hair situations. Mostly, they are not swimming. Just standing there in the pool, splashing some, perhaps talking to a peer on the ledge or taking selfies. Some do occasionally submerge their hair(!). No, I don’t know what effect this has on their expensive coiffures, but I do know that the effect on the pool is to disperse tiny tufts of what look like black polyester fiberfill abroad in the water. None that I’ve seen have ever showered before entering the pool, so the water takes on a cloudy cast once one of these parties enters the pool still slathered in hair and skin “product”. In some instances the effect of this is so strong that I’ve abandoned the pool entirely before I suffer an Afrosheen OD.

    The rarer males usually appear as the father of a family. Though I am polite and friendly, these men often exude a peremptory defiance. “We takin’ over,” seems to be the unspoken message. On one occasion, a harried-looking black mother left her two young daughters in the (un-lifeguarded) hotel swimming pool to entertain themselves while she ran off for an errand. I presume she was under no pressure from the childrens’ father to give over custody. The girls were clinging together in the shallow end when I arrived, and seemed amazed that someone might use the pool for swimming from one end to the other.

    So much for the data. What’s the analysis? Well, it’s not a fitness craze because 1) they usually don’t actually swim, and 2) the rest of the fitness equipment is no more populated than before. Rather, it seems that the Spirit of the Summer of George has stimulated the black middle class into action. Maybe not butterfly-stroke-level action, but standing-in-the-[wypipo’s]-water-level action. (They also serve who only stand and wade!)

    But it is supply-driven as well as demand-driven. The Spirit of SOG has afflicted the hospitality managers to offer their pools to the local communitay. One of the higher-end hotels I was at had a lovely outdoor pool my window looked over, so spying the sparkling crystalline water on the morn, I resolved to visit in the heat of the afternoon when work was done and the sun was hot. Upon returning I was chagrined to find the pool chockablock with raucous black tweens such that actual swimming was out of the question. I made some delicate inquiries with the hotel’s managers as to when the guests currently occupying the pool were expected to check out. “Oh they’re not guests. We have a Community Outreach Program…” or some such was the answer. In other words, never.

    tl;dr: Steve’s “education that actually would effectively reduce an unfortunate racial gap” is already underway, sort of. Maybe not the actual swimming part, but the getting wet and owning ‘white spaces’ part, for sure.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri

    That's why I love the UC Berkeley competition pool ("Spieker Aquatics Complex", available to non-university people too for a fee): it's at least 7 feet deep throughout, so no one ever stands doing nothing! (It's also maintained at a brisk 79 degrees, so the rare 8-foot-tall lollygagger will soon succumb to hypothermia.)

    In your travels, you might keep an eye out for college pools; a lot of them are deep like that.

    , @Ralph L
    @Almost Missouri

    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

  49. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    Thanks. Here is an archived JHU page with those numbers plus some other categories: 13 % international, 2% Native American/Pacific Islander, and 2% unknown.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    The class of 2027 is 18% white.
    https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    Then there is this. Some stunning numbers overall.
    https://hopkinshillel.org/about-us

    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.

    As Paleo Liberal mentioned, it would be interesting to know the international student demographics. Seems to me like many elite colleges use that to pad their black numbers. But maybe not JHU?

    Here are some 2018 era numbers for international students at JHU. Over 60% were Chinese!
    https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/johns-hopkins-university/student-life/international/

    They also note this: “Over the last several years the total Chinese population of students on campus has grown at an average rate of 31.8%.” I wonder if JHU is trading on the reputation of the medical school to attract Chinese undergraduates?

    Continuing down the list other Asian countries are also well represented. There are about 30 Nigerians.

    P.S. Then there is the medical school. Perhaps they are trying to atone for this.
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/2022/09/meet-the-class-of-2026

    This class had 6,352 applicants, 576 interviews, 287 accepted students, and 118 matriculated students. There are 105 MD & 13 MD-PHD students enrolled, 6 countries & 31 states represented, and 64 female & 54 male students enrolled. 58 institutions are represented. The class is 51% Asian, 37% Caucasian, 10% Underrepresented in Medicine, and 2% Other. The average GPA is 3.94 and the average MCAT score is 521.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Hail
    @res


    The [JHU] class of 2027 is 18% white.
     

    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.
     
    It would be misleading to assume that we can do a calculation about like this:

    18% [Whites], 'minus' ca. 7% [claimed 400 Jews / 6000 total undergraduates], 'equals' a full-White-Christian student-population at barely above 10%.

    There are three complicating factors that will shore-up the true White-Christian share:

    (1.) some additional Whites are going to be found under Foreign Students;

    (2.) some full-White students, knowing the system well enough, have found ways to dodge the racial-category system in any way then can. Would it surprise anyone if all the 2% "Unknowns" are full-Whites? and if a fair portion of the 2% claimed Amerindians, same? [cf. Elizabeth Warren, an early adopter of the strategy]. But soft-additions to the "Hispanic" category may give even more boost-points to the true White total.

    (Note: Some Whites claiming to be Nonwhite specifically are probably true-believers in Wokeness ala Rachel Dolezeal; others are not pro-Wokeness and simply seek to avoid being hammered by Diversity.)

    (3.) A lot of the Jews may list themselves as Nonwhite, in order to squeeze and extract Diversity-benefits for themselves (like that mega-fraud case of a wealthy Jew claiming to be Hispanic [via a single distant Jewish ancestor in Spain], who extracting huge sums for front-companies he controlled, which received "minority"-business handouts). But also because they see themselves as in the ascendant Anti-White-Christian Coalition.

    If a Jew claims to be from Israel, which is well on the far side of the Bosporus and the traditional boundary of Europe, he could claim to be an "Asian."

    ---

    Even adjusting for these things, it would seem likely that the "full-White, Christian-origin, Male" share at Johns Hopkins is very likely under 10%(given the 60:40 ratio in favor of women). That, in an institution founded by White-Christian Males and for generations entirely involving them...

    Replies: @res

  50. @Ralph L
    @Paleo Liberal

    The pie doughnut chart in the tweet has a separate slice of 13% for foreign students. That's 30% Asian-American.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    OK, I missed that.

    Well, for the past 50-60 years we’ve been importing highly educated people from Asia. (Even longer, but the past was at a lower level).

    This is what happens.

  51. @Bill Jones
    @Dream

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins' future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he's getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here's what he sent me.


    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 
     

    I won't be darkening their doors again and I'll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    Replies: @res, @bomag, @Twinkie, @duncsbaby

    Thanks. It is helpful to see organizations so blatantly choosing sides. Not to be forgotten.

    • Agree: bomag
  52. Last month, I competed in my first (and last) Sprint Triathlon – 800 yd open water swim (65 deg. water) / 13 mile bike / 3 mile run. I trained for the swim by doing one 1000 yd swim a 25 yd lap pool over the previous few mos. The cold water was not as bad as I was expecting, but I couldn’t put my face and head in the water for the first 200 yds.

  53. @Guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    At NCAA Division One schools. there are a maximum of 47 team members but only 20 scholarships. If a crew member gets a scholarship, it will most likely be a partial but could result in getting the athletes advantage in admission. The problem with being an athlete in college is the time commitments that can make having certain majors very difficult.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Note that is women’s rowing. No scholarships for men. This is to make up for all the football scholarships.

    I remember one year reading about how the coach at Wisconsin offered 8 girls scholarships for the incoming class, and was allowed to give admission preference for another 8. Enough for two boats. I used to talk to some of the Wisconsin women rowers who stopped to pet my dog when I was walking him near practice. The vast majority of the freshwomen had played some other sport in HS.

    Preferential enrollment is interesting. For example, the Ivies and the prestigious D-3 liberal arts colleges don’t give scholarships. But students given preferential admission are in no matter what. If a scholarship athlete leaves the team, the scholarship is gone. But a student with preferential admission stays in the school. For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous. In many cases the aid is better than the scholarships at State U

    It is possible the 8 scholarship girls were partial. I really don’t know.

    The men’s coach was notorious for carrying an oar with a mark on it at about 6’2” around campus and going to as many freshman greeting events as possible. Anyone taller than the mark was invited to try out for the men’s team. I know a guy who is 6’3” who was approached by the coach but didn’t want to attend 5 AM practices.
    Seriously, some of the guys signed up by being taller than the mark on the oar wound up in the Olympics.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    Here is the information on all sports.

    https://www.varsityedge.com/athletic-scholarships-by-sports/

    One of the points when talking about getting the athletic scholarship, is that most of them are partial outside of football, basketball, and women's volleyball. The athletic admission advantage is good but that puts an athlete at a huge disadvantage due to being overmatched academically while facing the time demand of being a varsity athlete.

    A question for families is whether their child better off being an athlete and majoring in American studies or being a normal student and majoring in STEM. It is hard to fit organic chemistry or the internship in while practicing and working out and going to competitions.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Paleo Liberal


    For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous.
     
    A kid in my older daughter's high school class got into Harvard and got a full ride. Generally, if you get accepted to an Ivy, they will take care of the you, though you may have to, as I did, do some work study thing in addition to a scholarship.
  54. No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways – one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT’s Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.
     
    Apparently, Captain Cook skipped the swim class and yet he (almost) sailed around the world without knowing how to swim.

    One bold warrior advanced on Cook and struck him with his pahoa (dagger). In retaliation Cook drew a tiny pistol lightly loaded with shot and fired at the warrior. His bullets spent themselves on the straw armor and fell harmlessly to the ground. The Hawaiians went wild. Lieutenant Molesworth Phillips, in charge of the nine mariners, began a withering fire; Cook killed two natives.

    Overpowered by sheer numbers, the sailors headed for boats standing offshore, while Lieutenant Phillips lay wounded. It is believed that Captain Cook stood helplessly in knee-deep water instead of making for the boats because he could not swim. Hopelessly surrounded, he was knocked on the head, then countless warriors passed a knife around and hacked and mutilated his lifeless body. A sad Lieutenant King lamented in his diary, “Thus fell our great and excellent commander.” https://www.moon.com/travel/arts-culture/hawaiian-history-how-captain-cook-met-his-end/#:~:text=It%20is%20believed%20that%20Captain,and%20mutilated%20his%20lifeless%20body.
     

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways – one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT’s Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.
     
    In the interest of 'Equity' the latter requirement can be satisfied with an essay on the effects of pool chlorine on Black hair.
    , @Corn
    @Jack D


    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread
     
    If you put any stock in the accuracy of the Snopes website, the college swim tests aren’t the result of wealthy benefactors or military concerns. They’re simply the vestiges of an early 20th century Red Cross public service/survival skills campaign to encourage everyone to learn to swim.
    , @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?
     
    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    , @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I had to pass a swim test at the University of North Carolina. Class of ‘86. I think the myth was too many Tar Heels had drowned in WWI or II. My mother’s cousin probably did drown. Or freeze to death. He was a Lt in a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing. James May. He’s on the memorial to the missing down in Battery Park.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jack D, @Ralph L

  55. Williams is director of [Williams]’s

    I was wondering what the red font was about. But he’s topped by that lady in Ripley’s whose given name was Montana, and who lived on Montana St in some town in Montana.

  56. @Erik L
    @Dream

    maybe high achieving white Americans don't want to go to school in Baltimore.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    From what I’ve seen on the internet when my kids were applying to college; Hopkins uses being In Baltimore to its advantage.

    There are a number of colleges at around the same level in higher cost of living areas (NYC, Boston, DC, LA, etc). Hopkins dorm costs, and the cost for living off campus, are much cheaper.
    So, they give a lot less in tuition aid. Thus the overall cost is about the same.

    Of course, quite a few students decide they would rather live in NYC, DC, LA or Boston for the same cost as living in Baltimore.

    • Replies: @Erik L
    @Paleo Liberal

    I wonder (based on these stats) if Hopkins is no longer on the same level. When I was applying to college I didn't immediately recognize they were anything but a medical school and I think the prestige of the med school might have been carrying the undergrad college

  57. @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    What you may not realize is that, to a large extent, college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.

    Also, participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity and increases the chances of college and a productive career.

    Let me say that I would rather have poor kids from Madison (where I live) and Milwaukee (where some of my kids used to live) in boats, in tutoring sessions, in college and in jobs rather than on the streets causing trouble. If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.

    And if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ennui

    college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.

    Citation needed.

    participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity

    Great, but that wasn’t the purpose one comment ago. Back then it was to displace someone else from a college acceptance. Someone non-minority, i.e., white.

    If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.

    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in and take Tyler and Roscoe’s college spots! /s. The median foreign student is the scion of a petty oligarch from Asia, Arabia or Latin America.

    Foreign students are admitted for their money. The college budget assumes a certain number of these. If they do sports too, fine, but it doesn’t change the prospects for natives, who are admitted on a different track.

    if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

    Shifting logic, retconned arguments, and virtue signaling for dessert: Liberalism confirmed. Perhaps not just Paleo, but Petrified?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    I had trouble copying and pasting the citation with my iPhone. I found it in a few seconds in Google.

    The top men’s rowing team is Yale. As of last May they were 68% foreign. In rowing “foreign “ means European, occasionally Aussie. Harvard was at about 53%.

    10 of the top 12 teams had at least 20% of their men’s rowers from outside the US. The two exceptions were Navy (which only admits Americans) and Wisconsin (which generally recruits from tall freshmen who have never rowed before). Both had 0% foreigners.

    Most of the foreign students at Wisconsin are from Asia, especially China. For some reason no 6’2” or taller Chinese students tried out for, and made, the team.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in...
     
    More like SS Viking.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Nansen_Krefting_2.jpg/1424px-Nansen_Krefting_2.jpg


    Cue Todd Rundgren:


    I am a Viking of some note
    Knut's my name and here I float
    Out on the sea in a great big boat
    And I'm the one who beats the drum in time

    To stroke the oars that drive our galleons on
    And while we rowed we had our song...



    Sit you down to a Nordic meal
    Give you strength that you might wield
    A Viking sword and a Viking shield



    Perhaps we shouldn't let our hands get sore
    We need someone to pull the oars
    And to do the chores
  58. The Chronicle article then goes on to explain that the reason the beginner swim class at Williams was 81 percent domestic nonwhite students, 16 percent international, and only 3 percent white was due to swimming pool segregation several generations ago.

    Turns out it should have been forty acres and a pool.

  59. Just a footnote here, but the mathematical subject of statistics, in its myriad forms, is a great thing to teach young people.

    Yes, statistics should be a significant part of curricula, available at various levels that are intellectually accessible to correspondingly various levels of students. The main reason I say this is because good Citizens need to be able to understand the statistics and statistical arguments they encounter.

    Unequipped, Citizens typically are “drowing in data,” and often deceived. (The deceptions are sometimes intentional, but sometimes they are just the result of reporters and other purveyors who themselves don’t truly understand statistics.)

    There is much opportunity to deceive via statistics, and an educated populace that can see through it all is desireable.

    Not just deception, BTW, but unintentional misunderstanding, which I still see often in jounalism and even coming out of scientific circles — particularly medical ones.

    My wife teaches statistics (in addition to various kind of calculus.) I get chances to study her materials, and I see how slippery and unfamiliar they can be.

    Statistics — the study and interpretation of data — should be (and in my wife’s case is) part of any good curriculum.

    Such curricula can save people from drowning in data, and it can make them better citizens.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, res, New Dealer
  60. @rienzi
    When I was in Navy boot camp we got taken to the pool and, had to swim across in our clothes. Useful ability to have if your ship is sinking.

    All of the white guys did it with no problem. The black guys from the ghettos of Chicago and Detroit sank like rocks and, had to be fished out. They all got special swimming lessons until they could get across the pool with their clothes on.

    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn't swim would join the Navy. Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.

    Replies: @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @Muggles, @Twinkie

    Absolutely agree (although Army). For many, many Americans it was the beginning of “eye opening/noticing”. I remember hushed, nervous discussions on the way back from the pool. For Whites, pretty much all could swim with varying levels of skill and some with serious skill. Not a single black could. All these years later and I still vividly remember this.

  61. @AnotherDad

    Yet, I can imagine a variety of education that probably actually does some good at reducing racial disparities, one that, if billionaires feel like giving, our society could use more of: swimming lessons.
     
    Swimming lessons?

    I was hoping for something with some real impact like "sex education".

    In depth sex education explaining the differences between the sexes--not just reproductive, but the whole gamut: physical strength, stamina, injury susceptibility; mental capabilities, personality traits, skills, interests; mating interest, attactors (genetic quality proxies, fertility), strategies; the purpose of marriage, it's absolute criticality in skilled civilized societies vs. primitive ones; marriage, children and family as the bedrocks of human happiness--especially for women--and creating meaning in life; women's shorter reproductive window and need to close the marriage deal in a timely fashion and present an appealing wife/mother package to the quality men they seek.

    Nothing you do sort of genetic engineering is going to make blacks like whites. But I think real sex education--ergo life education--could really help close the racial gap. 1960's 3% white, 20% black illegitimacy was far more conducive to racial tolerance than today's 25% white, 70% black illegitimacy (and highly dysgenic fertility). Not to mention much more conducive to civilization in general. As is anything that gets young people--especially young women--thinking about genes and their long term genetic interests.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “highly dysgenic fertility”

    Sad little tale from the UK today. Woman of 40-odd with two kids has another (“Bronson”), by a guy of 58 with heart issues. Little lad is 2 years old, just the age to enjoy Christmas for the first time.

    Mum and Dad have a row just before Christmas, mum sods off and leaves them.

    Don’t think it was a great Christmas. A neighbour looked in on Boxing Day and the dad thanked him for caring.

    Some time after Dec 27th Dad has a heart attack and dies.

    A social worker first raised the alarm to police on January 2 when she was unable to reach Kenneth following a routine visit to the house and enquiries through friends and family.

    They visited again on January 4 but there was still no response from them and again the police were alerted.

    Five days later, the bodies of the pair were tragically discovered, with a starved and dehydrated Bronson curling up at his dead father’s knees in the dark.

    He was sat alongside their pet boxer dog Skylar who was found emaciated but survived.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12972759/bronson-battersby-final-fortnight-starved-dehydrated-five-days.html

  62. @rienzi
    When I was in Navy boot camp we got taken to the pool and, had to swim across in our clothes. Useful ability to have if your ship is sinking.

    All of the white guys did it with no problem. The black guys from the ghettos of Chicago and Detroit sank like rocks and, had to be fished out. They all got special swimming lessons until they could get across the pool with their clothes on.

    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn't swim would join the Navy. Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.

    Replies: @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @Muggles, @Twinkie

    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn’t swim would join the Navy.

    According to nearly every history book I’ve read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few “pools” existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.

    I think some living in warm climates or the Mediterranean area did learn as children at beaches, but even then not meany. Bathing was thought to be unhealthy (and water often polluted with sewage) so swimming just wasn’t done. Females were especially unlikely to swim as not wearing bulky clothes to keep men from seeing their bodies was considered immoral or provocative.

    Of course deep ocean sailors didn’t swim, but that likely wouldn’t do much good if wooden ships sank. A few sailors did learn but it was rare.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Muggles


    According to nearly every history book I’ve read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few “pools” existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.
     
    Twenty some years ago my parents vacationed in Ireland. Dad’s mom was an Irish immigrant so it was sort of a vacation/“find your roots” type trip. Dad met cousins over there, some of whom worked on fishing boats.

    One cousin mentioned a small shrine or prayer said in memory of fishermen who drowned, and said few Irish fishermen could swim, even in the days before life vests.

    As you said, the waters of Galway Bay and that portion of the Atlantic were probably quite chilly, and the cousin implied there was a sort of fatalism at play. “If man was meant to swim, he’d have fins instead of feet.”

    Replies: @Ralph L

  63. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.
     
    Citation needed.

    participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity
     
    Great, but that wasn't the purpose one comment ago. Back then it was to displace someone else from a college acceptance. Someone non-minority, i.e., white.

    If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.
     
    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in and take Tyler and Roscoe's college spots! /s. The median foreign student is the scion of a petty oligarch from Asia, Arabia or Latin America.

    Foreign students are admitted for their money. The college budget assumes a certain number of these. If they do sports too, fine, but it doesn't change the prospects for natives, who are admitted on a different track.

    if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.
     
    Shifting logic, retconned arguments, and virtue signaling for dessert: Liberalism confirmed. Perhaps not just Paleo, but Petrified?

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Reg Cæsar

    I had trouble copying and pasting the citation with my iPhone. I found it in a few seconds in Google.

    The top men’s rowing team is Yale. As of last May they were 68% foreign. In rowing “foreign “ means European, occasionally Aussie. Harvard was at about 53%.

    10 of the top 12 teams had at least 20% of their men’s rowers from outside the US. The two exceptions were Navy (which only admits Americans) and Wisconsin (which generally recruits from tall freshmen who have never rowed before). Both had 0% foreigners.

    Most of the foreign students at Wisconsin are from Asia, especially China. For some reason no 6’2” or taller Chinese students tried out for, and made, the team.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Paleo Liberal

    Navy (which only admits Americans)

    They've taken foreign students since the 19th century, but not in the numbers other colleges do now. They get commissions in their own navy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal

    Since colleges budget in advance how many international students they are taking (along with other things), levering a "poor minorit[y] into college by giving them ... skills in a very white niche sport" doesn't displace a foreigner, it displaces a "very white" niche-ist.

    Even if that weren't true, the diversity/minoritarian project has reached such a pass that not only are the beneficiaries promoted way past their competence levels, but they are also increasingly ungrateful, hostile to America, and particularly hateful toward white Americans. There is no reason to create even more of this.

  64. @Paleo Liberal
    @Guest007

    Note that is women’s rowing. No scholarships for men. This is to make up for all the football scholarships.

    I remember one year reading about how the coach at Wisconsin offered 8 girls scholarships for the incoming class, and was allowed to give admission preference for another 8. Enough for two boats. I used to talk to some of the Wisconsin women rowers who stopped to pet my dog when I was walking him near practice. The vast majority of the freshwomen had played some other sport in HS.

    Preferential enrollment is interesting. For example, the Ivies and the prestigious D-3 liberal arts colleges don’t give scholarships. But students given preferential admission are in no matter what. If a scholarship athlete leaves the team, the scholarship is gone. But a student with preferential admission stays in the school. For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous. In many cases the aid is better than the scholarships at State U



    It is possible the 8 scholarship girls were partial. I really don’t know.

    The men’s coach was notorious for carrying an oar with a mark on it at about 6’2” around campus and going to as many freshman greeting events as possible. Anyone taller than the mark was invited to try out for the men’s team. I know a guy who is 6’3” who was approached by the coach but didn’t want to attend 5 AM practices.
    Seriously, some of the guys signed up by being taller than the mark on the oar wound up in the Olympics.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Don Bob

    Here is the information on all sports.

    https://www.varsityedge.com/athletic-scholarships-by-sports/

    One of the points when talking about getting the athletic scholarship, is that most of them are partial outside of football, basketball, and women’s volleyball. The athletic admission advantage is good but that puts an athlete at a huge disadvantage due to being overmatched academically while facing the time demand of being a varsity athlete.

    A question for families is whether their child better off being an athlete and majoring in American studies or being a normal student and majoring in STEM. It is hard to fit organic chemistry or the internship in while practicing and working out and going to competitions.

  65. Is it not the case that blacks make poor swimmers because they have more muscle and less body fat than other races? Which makes it more difficult to stay afloat. I had always assumed that this was all biology and no culture, and that people just didn’t talk about it much.

    I could be wrong. But if I’m right (and I don’t remember where I read this), all the lessons in the world aren’t going to make people who are simply too heavy to float be able to swim competently. I’m sure blacks have as much diversity in body types as any other race, and some of them do make good swimmers, but the worry about drowning, especially for small children, may make parents reluctant to let their kids out of sight.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sleep

    Can Michael Phelps float?

    It would seem like a good idea to teach those who most need proper swimming technique to not sink how not to sink.

  66. Contrary to one comment here, I don’t think there is any evidence that Blacks! have thicker or heavier bone density than anyone else, other things being equal. Hence not a reason they don’t swim much or drown more.

    I grew up in a small middle class northern town where private pools didn’t exist. But the one fairly large municipal pool had summer swim lessons which I took along with all of my friends. I was glad I did. (Of course it was an all White little burg).

    In college the mandatory freshman PE classes also had swimming requirements, sort of.

    It is a wonderful sport or athletic practice since swimming works most of the muscle groups and helps with breathing discipline.

    Odd that today’s topic about the value of Data for improving education seems to be all about learning to swim. Not what I expected.

    Most of the Data ignored or suppressed by Big Ed about subpar Black! achievement seems to reflect more basic learning deficiencies. Not swimming.

    Regardless of IQ (up to a point) hard work and discipline and parental influence can achieve great results for any student. Just ask any teacher. Unfortunately popular Black! culture dismisses this or relegates that to “acting White” and thus bad.

    Blacks! and other non Whites can largely overcome any inherent disadvantages if they follow these simple guidelines, and some do.

    The smartest guy/gal in the room isn’t usually even the boss. The hardest working most honest one often is. Usually smart but not necessarily the brightest. That might be some gamer dude who spends his off time viewing porn, not reading.

    Of course the entire government education bureaucracy is largely devoted to ignoring the obvious in order to punish superior performance and coddle everyone else. Oddly, only in sports is merit usually the main criteria.

    If “Data” were the central factor in education, then “noticing” would not be an obscure specialty here on our blog site.

    “Not noticing”
    is instead, central to Woke/liberal mindset and worldview.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Muggles

    If one saw no evidence, one did not work very hard. And at a young age, there is the issue of body fat content for swimming.


    "Adjusted bone density at various skeletal sites was 4.5-16.1% higher for black than for white men and was 1.2-7.3% higher for black than for white women."

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9024231/

    Replies: @Muggles

  67. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Mildly OT, but I think this needs to be explicitly highlighted and pointed out.....

    Donald Trump despite all his legal ordeals and despite his obvious ridiculosity, still remains a major player in the fake election fake sweepstakes.

    Why? Everybody despises him, everyone knows he's a clown. So, ...WHY is he still such a front runner?

    It is because White America is trying to tell the ruling class: We HATE You. We hate you with every fiber of our being, and we know perfectly well that you hate us back, but that is the whole point.

    We HATE you.

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    WE *HATE* YOU.

    It's not a rhet0rical ploy, it is now an actual, French-Revolution type of thing, a Tom Paine kind of thing.

    WE FUCKING HATE YOU.

    Did you hear us?

    WE HATE YOU.

    Get it loud and clear. Just in case you missed it...

    WE HATE YOU.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Jim Don Bob, @CalCooledge, @Anon

    Yes, indeed.
    I don’t care for Trump (see Ann Coulter for reasons); but his enemies make me determined to vote for him.

    PS: took a pass on the 2020 election, showing up the polling place in ’24.

  68. @Paleo Liberal
    @Erik L

    From what I’ve seen on the internet when my kids were applying to college; Hopkins uses being In Baltimore to its advantage.

    There are a number of colleges at around the same level in higher cost of living areas (NYC, Boston, DC, LA, etc). Hopkins dorm costs, and the cost for living off campus, are much cheaper.
    So, they give a lot less in tuition aid. Thus the overall cost is about the same.

    Of course, quite a few students decide they would rather live in NYC, DC, LA or Boston for the same cost as living in Baltimore.

    Replies: @Erik L

    I wonder (based on these stats) if Hopkins is no longer on the same level. When I was applying to college I didn’t immediately recognize they were anything but a medical school and I think the prestige of the med school might have been carrying the undergrad college

  69. @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    What you may not realize is that, to a large extent, college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.

    Also, participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity and increases the chances of college and a productive career.

    Let me say that I would rather have poor kids from Madison (where I live) and Milwaukee (where some of my kids used to live) in boats, in tutoring sessions, in college and in jobs rather than on the streets causing trouble. If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.

    And if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ennui

    There were no after-school basketball programs in the 1940s and 50s were there? Sports have proven to be ineffective in increased dysfunction and decay. I’m not sure bringing in a large number of youth into college sports teams have made campuses safer. Perhaps I’m wrong and the stats will back you up.

    Forcing young men into work details and crews is far more effective. Pay them well, but let them know that if they refuse to work other measures will be resorted to. Salutary, public, ruthless, corporal punishment is probably more effective than any number of coaching mentorships and cheaper. There will be some criminal sorts of all races who will not be able to work even if well paid. Make sure they are culled.

    But can’t do that, wouldn’t want to trouble the white ladies, libs, serious people, and normie cons. They hate violence done in their names where they can see it. Violence is correctly meted out overseas and while wearing a camo costume on hapless peasants and their children.

  70. One problem with gross drowning statistics is that they don’t necessarily reflect which deaths are due to total inability to swim vs. excessive risk taking.

    An unattended toddler who falls in the pool, a weak swimmer who goes too far out in a rip tide, and a world class swimmer who gets hit in the head by his board and pulled under while surfing are all going down equally as a “drowning” fatality. Sometimes a little (swimming) knowledge can be a dangerous thing. People who know they literally “can’t swim” will at least stay clear of water.

    Btw, one big source of accidents is diving head first into shallow water. DONT DO IT! Never, ever dive into water when you can’t see the bottom. I remember my dad teaching me that. Anyway, that’s my PSA. Charles Krauthammer was unfortunately the poster boy for that advice.

  71. Teaching blacks to swim isn’t going to reduce their drowning that much because when more of them are confident in the water, more of them will go in the water. You could easily end up with more blacks drowning. You’ll have more non-blacks drowning too, as a result of assaults.

  72. @Jack D
    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways - one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT's Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @Corn, @Frau Katze, @hhsiii

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    Apparently, Captain Cook skipped the swim class and yet he (almost) sailed around the world without knowing how to swim.

    One bold warrior advanced on Cook and struck him with his pahoa (dagger). In retaliation Cook drew a tiny pistol lightly loaded with shot and fired at the warrior. His bullets spent themselves on the straw armor and fell harmlessly to the ground. The Hawaiians went wild. Lieutenant Molesworth Phillips, in charge of the nine mariners, began a withering fire; Cook killed two natives.

    Overpowered by sheer numbers, the sailors headed for boats standing offshore, while Lieutenant Phillips lay wounded. It is believed that Captain Cook stood helplessly in knee-deep water instead of making for the boats because he could not swim. Hopelessly surrounded, he was knocked on the head, then countless warriors passed a knife around and hacked and mutilated his lifeless body. A sad Lieutenant King lamented in his diary, “Thus fell our great and excellent commander.” https://www.moon.com/travel/arts-culture/hawaiian-history-how-captain-cook-met-his-end/#:~:text=It%20is%20believed%20that%20Captain,and%20mutilated%20his%20lifeless%20body.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Hypnotoad666


    “Thus fell our great and excellent commander.”
     
    And kill haole day was born!
  73. @Paleo Liberal
    The problem with all of this is:

    Steve has pointed out how club sports kids tend to be the offspring of financially stable white famines in which the father plays a large role. I think of my kids, and there have been only two times when a club or rec league assistant coach has been non-white. One of those times the assistant coach was a former minor league baseball player, and this was Little League. He knew what he was doing.

    At the high school level, outside of football, basketball and track, one sees few non-whites. Where I live, The vast majority of white students participate in at least one sport at least one time. The next highest group is Asians, but quite a few of them are adopted. Most of the Asian kids my kids did sports with were adopted. One of the ones who was not adopted lived with his white stepfather. Some of the kids had an Asian mother and a white father.

    Some Hispanics play soccer.

    Generally, there are a ton of issues keeping poor families, especially without a father, out of the picture.
    Money
    Transportation
    Time
    Motivation
    Publicity— many non- whites don’t know about the programs.

    In Milwaukee and Madison there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    If some enlightened billionaire wanted to start a swing program for disadvantaged youth, he would need to finance transportation as well. I knew a (black) track coach who often had to give rides to some of the kids who didn’t have adequate transportation.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Almost Missouri, @International Jew, @Bill P

    STEM and rowing

    Rowing is an endurance sport so it doesn’t strike me as all that well targeted at blacks’ comparative advantage.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    Yep, even a good swimmer will drown if an oar (“blade” in the parlance) handle or the boat itself conks him on the head. Or if a non-swimmer smothers him.

  74. Doesn’t Army teach all its recruits to dog paddle? There’s a wide range of ability all called “swimming” but much of which wouldn’t qualify a person as a lifeguard. I, for instance, have been dog paddling and swimming underwater since around age four but didn’t learn any official swimming techniques until early adulthood. I still can’t dive properly but since childhood I’ve done both the cannonball and lemon drop with great aplomb.

    Are you fresh out of topics today or something?

  75. @Almost Missouri
    In the quest to buoy up black bodies, maybe y'all'd be interested in a field report.

    Over the years I've logged a number of stays at midrange hotels in middle class districts. One of the fringe benefits of this for me was the hotel's swimming pool and "fitness center", which offer amenities I'm too cheap and itinerant to subscribe to otherwise.

    In the past, there was typically not much competition for any of this, but since the Summer of Floyd and Lockdownapalooza a new era has dawned. Midrange hotel swimming pools are suddenly full of black bodies. Mostly female. Mostly about age 8-30. Yes, with expensive hair situations. Mostly, they are not swimming. Just standing there in the pool, splashing some, perhaps talking to a peer on the ledge or taking selfies. Some do occasionally submerge their hair(!). No, I don't know what effect this has on their expensive coiffures, but I do know that the effect on the pool is to disperse tiny tufts of what look like black polyester fiberfill abroad in the water. None that I've seen have ever showered before entering the pool, so the water takes on a cloudy cast once one of these parties enters the pool still slathered in hair and skin "product". In some instances the effect of this is so strong that I've abandoned the pool entirely before I suffer an Afrosheen OD.

    The rarer males usually appear as the father of a family. Though I am polite and friendly, these men often exude a peremptory defiance. "We takin' over," seems to be the unspoken message. On one occasion, a harried-looking black mother left her two young daughters in the (un-lifeguarded) hotel swimming pool to entertain themselves while she ran off for an errand. I presume she was under no pressure from the childrens' father to give over custody. The girls were clinging together in the shallow end when I arrived, and seemed amazed that someone might use the pool for swimming from one end to the other.

    So much for the data. What's the analysis? Well, it's not a fitness craze because 1) they usually don't actually swim, and 2) the rest of the fitness equipment is no more populated than before. Rather, it seems that the Spirit of the Summer of George has stimulated the black middle class into action. Maybe not butterfly-stroke-level action, but standing-in-the-[wypipo's]-water-level action. (They also serve who only stand and wade!)

    But it is supply-driven as well as demand-driven. The Spirit of SOG has afflicted the hospitality managers to offer their pools to the local communitay. One of the higher-end hotels I was at had a lovely outdoor pool my window looked over, so spying the sparkling crystalline water on the morn, I resolved to visit in the heat of the afternoon when work was done and the sun was hot. Upon returning I was chagrined to find the pool chockablock with raucous black tweens such that actual swimming was out of the question. I made some delicate inquiries with the hotel's managers as to when the guests currently occupying the pool were expected to check out. "Oh they're not guests. We have a Community Outreach Program..." or some such was the answer. In other words, never.

    tl;dr: Steve's "education that actually would effectively reduce an unfortunate racial gap" is already underway, sort of. Maybe not the actual swimming part, but the getting wet and owning 'white spaces' part, for sure.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ralph L

    That’s why I love the UC Berkeley competition pool (“Spieker Aquatics Complex”, available to non-university people too for a fee): it’s at least 7 feet deep throughout, so no one ever stands doing nothing! (It’s also maintained at a brisk 79 degrees, so the rare 8-foot-tall lollygagger will soon succumb to hypothermia.)

    In your travels, you might keep an eye out for college pools; a lot of them are deep like that.

  76. @Jack D
    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways - one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT's Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @Corn, @Frau Katze, @hhsiii

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways – one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT’s Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    In the interest of ‘Equity’ the latter requirement can be satisfied with an essay on the effects of pool chlorine on Black hair.

  77. Reminds me of the Netflix movie – watched over the wife’s shoulder – wherein a small plane crashes and the Brown woman (who can swim!) saves the White man who can’t (because of course). Nearly every adult I’ve met that can’t swim is a dot Indian. Where are these White men that can’t swim? Probably hanging out with all the Black nuclear physicists.

  78. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Mildly OT, but I think this needs to be explicitly highlighted and pointed out.....

    Donald Trump despite all his legal ordeals and despite his obvious ridiculosity, still remains a major player in the fake election fake sweepstakes.

    Why? Everybody despises him, everyone knows he's a clown. So, ...WHY is he still such a front runner?

    It is because White America is trying to tell the ruling class: We HATE You. We hate you with every fiber of our being, and we know perfectly well that you hate us back, but that is the whole point.

    We HATE you.

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    WE *HATE* YOU.

    It's not a rhet0rical ploy, it is now an actual, French-Revolution type of thing, a Tom Paine kind of thing.

    WE FUCKING HATE YOU.

    Did you hear us?

    WE HATE YOU.

    Get it loud and clear. Just in case you missed it...

    WE HATE YOU.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Jim Don Bob, @CalCooledge, @Anon

    I think DJT knows this.

  79. @Paleo Liberal
    I went to an elite college back in the day.

    Not only did we have a swim test, but there were mandatory sports classes for freshmen and sophomores. Athletes on the school’s teams were exempt, or, rather they could count their practices for gym credit.

    I think this goes back to the old idea of a sound mind in a sound body.

    In those days the student athletes at elite colleges were not expected to be great. It was often a way for working families, often local, with bright kids who were good but not world class athletes to get their kids into a top notch school. These days the elite colleges often dominate their D-3 divisions because the way for an upper middle class student to get to a top school is now to absolutely excel at some club sport. And Steve and others have pointed out how much club sports are dominated by upper middle class and upper class white families.

    Replies: @Guest007, @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob

    We had to take two years of “gym”. I took fencing one semester (which was cool) and bowling another.

    Mens sana in corpore sano was inscribed in stone on the entrance to my high school gym.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  80. @Voltarde
    The following is a concise overview about learning that can benefit anyone, not just software developers. It's also a reminder that success in most professional careers requires lifelong learning.

    10 Things Software Developers Should Learn about Learning
    January 2024 | Communications of the ACM
    https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2024/1/278891-10-things-software-developers-should-learn-about-learning/fulltext

    "Just because we learn does not mean we understand how we learn. One survey in the U.S. found that the majority of beliefs about memory were contrary to those of scientific consensus: People do not intuitively understand how memory and learning work.

    As an example, consider learning styles. Advocates of learning styles claim that effective instruction matches learners' preferred styles—visual learners look, auditory learners listen, and kinesthetic learners do. A 2020 review found that 89% of people believe that learners' preferred styles should dictate instruction, though researchers have known for several decades that this is inaccurate. While learners have preferred styles, effective instruction matches the content, not learning styles. A science class should use graphs to present data rather than verbal descriptions, regardless of visual or auditory learning styles, just like cooking classes should use hands-on practices rather than reading, whether learners prefer a kinesthetic style or not.

    Decades of research into cognitive psychology, education, and programming education provide strong insights into how we learn. The next 10 sections of this article provide research-backed findings about learning that apply to software developers and discuss their practical implications. This information can help with learning for yourself, teaching junior staff, and recruiting staff. . . ."

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The guy who came up with the 14 styles of learning later repudiated it, even though it has now become part of the conventional wisdom.

    Some things, like multiplication tables, have to be learned by rote.

  81. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    college rowing in the US is dominated by rich Europeans sending their kids to the US.
     
    Citation needed.

    participation in sports by all kids, including poor black kids, decreases the odds of criminal activity
     
    Great, but that wasn't the purpose one comment ago. Back then it was to displace someone else from a college acceptance. Someone non-minority, i.e., white.

    If that means Hans und Franz can’t go to their first choice American college, so be it.
     
    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in and take Tyler and Roscoe's college spots! /s. The median foreign student is the scion of a petty oligarch from Asia, Arabia or Latin America.

    Foreign students are admitted for their money. The college budget assumes a certain number of these. If they do sports too, fine, but it doesn't change the prospects for natives, who are admitted on a different track.

    if encouraging education and sports for young Americans makes me a liberal, well, I’ll wear that badge with pride.
     
    Shifting logic, retconned arguments, and virtue signaling for dessert: Liberalism confirmed. Perhaps not just Paleo, but Petrified?

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Reg Cæsar

    Ah yes, how often we see the SS Wiking division blitzkrieg in…

    More like SS Viking.

    Cue Todd Rundgren:

    I am a Viking of some note
    Knut’s my name and here I float
    Out on the sea in a great big boat
    And I’m the one who beats the drum in time

    To stroke the oars that drive our galleons on
    And while we rowed we had our song…

    Sit you down to a Nordic meal
    Give you strength that you might wield
    A Viking sword and a Viking shield

    Perhaps we shouldn’t let our hands get sore
    We need someone to pull the oars
    And to do the chores

  82. It’s hard to swim when you’re weighted down with all that ballast.

  83. @Paleo Liberal
    The problem with all of this is:

    Steve has pointed out how club sports kids tend to be the offspring of financially stable white famines in which the father plays a large role. I think of my kids, and there have been only two times when a club or rec league assistant coach has been non-white. One of those times the assistant coach was a former minor league baseball player, and this was Little League. He knew what he was doing.

    At the high school level, outside of football, basketball and track, one sees few non-whites. Where I live, The vast majority of white students participate in at least one sport at least one time. The next highest group is Asians, but quite a few of them are adopted. Most of the Asian kids my kids did sports with were adopted. One of the ones who was not adopted lived with his white stepfather. Some of the kids had an Asian mother and a white father.

    Some Hispanics play soccer.

    Generally, there are a ton of issues keeping poor families, especially without a father, out of the picture.
    Money
    Transportation
    Time
    Motivation
    Publicity— many non- whites don’t know about the programs.

    In Milwaukee and Madison there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.

    The rub being rowers have to be decent swimmers. Rowers have occasionally drowned in practice, sad to say.

    If some enlightened billionaire wanted to start a swing program for disadvantaged youth, he would need to finance transportation as well. I knew a (black) track coach who often had to give rides to some of the kids who didn’t have adequate transportation.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Almost Missouri, @International Jew, @Bill P

    I rowed competitively in high school. Rowing was actually cheaper in Seattle than other sports because the boathouses were publicly funded and Pocock donated racing shells. All you needed was spandex shorts and a tank top. Maybe also running shoes for doing stairs and wind sprints.

    I don’t think blacks have any physical advantage in rowing. Their sense of rhythm may be helpful in the sport, but otherwise rowing is monotonous, painful drudgery that requires, in addition to power and endurance, an ability to ignore your body when it is screaming “enough!”

    I was good at it, but aside from the quiet mornings on a still lake, I didn’t like it much. I don’t see why it would appeal to blacks, either. Any black who has what it takes to row competitively could probably excel in another, better sport (sorry rowers: although I admire your dedication, it’s a boring sport and waste of time — lots of time).

    As for using sports to help blacks out, I think we’ve reached a point of diminishing return/saturation. They are already wildly overrepresented in American sports, American sports are in many instances deliberately designed to exploit black physical advantages (e.g. constant breaks in football), and universities directly profit from black athletes, giving them far higher representation on campus than they would have otherwise.

    What else should we do? Eliminate engineering schools so we can add double dutch and stuff some more blacks in colleges? Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Bill P

    As the testimony and evidence showed, blacks are not overrepresented in American sports outside of football and basketball. Outside of those two sports, playing and excelling at sports is a function of family wealth and interest. And as Steve likes to point out, part of success in sports is when one's birthday falls compared to age cuts offs for sports. Just look at the Little League championships in office and one will see that some of the players have gone through puberty and some have not.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bill P

    "constant breaks in football"

    Much to my horror, one of the brightest young stars in Welsh Rugby Union, Lewis Rees-Zammit, is taking at least a year out of rugby to try out for NFL.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/976/cpsprodpb/15A6C/production/_132348688_gettyimages-1735409131.jpg

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68005352


    "The International Player Pathway Program helps foreign-born football players reach the NFL.

    Since its inception in 2017, the program has provided elite international athletes with an opportunity to compete at the NFL level, improve their skills, and potentially earn a spot on an NFL roster.

    Players can then earn a place with an NFL team's practice squad before final selection for the season roster.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers owner Joel Glazer said the decision last September to expanding the scheme was a "significant step forward" in bringing global talent to the NFL."

     

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill P


    Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.
     
    I agree, 100%

    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she's a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.

    I rowed in the gym at my college for fitness, and then I bought a Waterrower. After a few years, I gave it all up and got rid of the thing in a tag sale. My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time... We have a Pilates machine now.

    Replies: @Bill P

  84. @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    I had trouble copying and pasting the citation with my iPhone. I found it in a few seconds in Google.

    The top men’s rowing team is Yale. As of last May they were 68% foreign. In rowing “foreign “ means European, occasionally Aussie. Harvard was at about 53%.

    10 of the top 12 teams had at least 20% of their men’s rowers from outside the US. The two exceptions were Navy (which only admits Americans) and Wisconsin (which generally recruits from tall freshmen who have never rowed before). Both had 0% foreigners.

    Most of the foreign students at Wisconsin are from Asia, especially China. For some reason no 6’2” or taller Chinese students tried out for, and made, the team.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri

    Navy (which only admits Americans)

    They’ve taken foreign students since the 19th century, but not in the numbers other colleges do now. They get commissions in their own navy.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Ralph L

    Thanks for the correction.
    I didn’t know that until now.
    And yes, there are 15 foreigners in each class.

  85. Your idea is definitely kosher.

    “Judaism has created a three-pointed foundation for the teaching of values. According to the Talmud (the fourth-century rabbinic legal code), parents are required to teach their children Torah (the five books of Moses), a trade, and to swim.”

    https://rabbilevbaesh.com/teaching-children.html

    Swim classes would require building and maintaining very large pools, all over. And then staffing those pools with technicians that maintain it, life guards, administrators, and so on. There will also be lawsuits when anything bad happens. The pools will have to be rebuilt regularly. If this is to be done by the government many of the individuals involved will be pensioned with full healthcare and early retirement. So in summary, there is a reason the US lacks swimming pools for all, and poor people have the least access.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @George

    That is hilarious yet so sensible. I think I heard a historical anecdote once that hinged on one group knowing how to swim and the other not, but it's too hazy.
    ----------
    OT -- Below, an ominous and important column from Simplicius. tldr the clouds of long-signalled world war are gathering over 2024 or 2025, but people might back down in time, especially since we lack the industrial capacity and manpower that enabked WWII. Chatter is appearing and increasing to the effect that there might not be an election.
    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/new-war-drums-chill-europe-with-renewed

  86. @Muggles
    Contrary to one comment here, I don't think there is any evidence that Blacks! have thicker or heavier bone density than anyone else, other things being equal. Hence not a reason they don't swim much or drown more.

    I grew up in a small middle class northern town where private pools didn't exist. But the one fairly large municipal pool had summer swim lessons which I took along with all of my friends. I was glad I did. (Of course it was an all White little burg).

    In college the mandatory freshman PE classes also had swimming requirements, sort of.

    It is a wonderful sport or athletic practice since swimming works most of the muscle groups and helps with breathing discipline.

    Odd that today's topic about the value of Data for improving education seems to be all about learning to swim. Not what I expected.

    Most of the Data ignored or suppressed by Big Ed about subpar Black! achievement seems to reflect more basic learning deficiencies. Not swimming.

    Regardless of IQ (up to a point) hard work and discipline and parental influence can achieve great results for any student. Just ask any teacher. Unfortunately popular Black! culture dismisses this or relegates that to "acting White" and thus bad.

    Blacks! and other non Whites can largely overcome any inherent disadvantages if they follow these simple guidelines, and some do.

    The smartest guy/gal in the room isn't usually even the boss. The hardest working most honest one often is. Usually smart but not necessarily the brightest. That might be some gamer dude who spends his off time viewing porn, not reading.

    Of course the entire government education bureaucracy is largely devoted to ignoring the obvious in order to punish superior performance and coddle everyone else. Oddly, only in sports is merit usually the main criteria.

    If "Data" were the central factor in education, then "noticing" would not be an obscure specialty here on our blog site.

    "Not noticing"
    is instead, central to Woke/liberal mindset and worldview.

    Replies: @Guest007

    If one saw no evidence, one did not work very hard. And at a young age, there is the issue of body fat content for swimming.

    “Adjusted bone density at various skeletal sites was 4.5-16.1% higher for black than for white men and was 1.2-7.3% higher for black than for white women.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9024231/

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Guest007

    Not to nitpick on this (but who doesn't love that?) I'm not convinced that "bone density" = bone weight, even given same length.

    What does "adjusted bone density" mean in this context?

    Also, how about related muscle mass to bone density? Generally blacks (young men) have higher rates of speed than others as in proven in Olympic track sports. So even if density (adjusted?) = weight, this may be compensated for by more muscle mass or longer fibers, twitch rates, etc.

    If blacks were "too heavy" in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?

    I think the physiology of swimming is more complicated than this. (I could be wrong, but this bone weight excuse seems simplistic).

    As someone else mentioned body fat (which black females may have more of?) while that might help in flotation, swimming is far more than that. People people who can float also drown.

    Basic swimming can be done by a wide variety of body types, Though long distance, fast or endurance swimming probably takes specific muscle development and a lot of technique.

    Nearly all animals can swim and most humans can learn, if they don't panic and stay sober, are uninjured, etc.

    Since a lot of Negroes do swim, even if they have "heavier bones" that isn't a determining factor.

    There are people of all races who "can't swim" but that is more likely due to lack of any kind of teaching or taking the time to find a pool and learn the basics. Some people are afraid of water and won't learn. If you panic in water you may well drown even if you could swim and float.

    I can be wrong about this. But it seems more like a folk myth than science.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @kaganovitch

  87. @Bill P
    @Paleo Liberal

    I rowed competitively in high school. Rowing was actually cheaper in Seattle than other sports because the boathouses were publicly funded and Pocock donated racing shells. All you needed was spandex shorts and a tank top. Maybe also running shoes for doing stairs and wind sprints.

    I don't think blacks have any physical advantage in rowing. Their sense of rhythm may be helpful in the sport, but otherwise rowing is monotonous, painful drudgery that requires, in addition to power and endurance, an ability to ignore your body when it is screaming "enough!"

    I was good at it, but aside from the quiet mornings on a still lake, I didn't like it much. I don't see why it would appeal to blacks, either. Any black who has what it takes to row competitively could probably excel in another, better sport (sorry rowers: although I admire your dedication, it's a boring sport and waste of time -- lots of time).

    As for using sports to help blacks out, I think we've reached a point of diminishing return/saturation. They are already wildly overrepresented in American sports, American sports are in many instances deliberately designed to exploit black physical advantages (e.g. constant breaks in football), and universities directly profit from black athletes, giving them far higher representation on campus than they would have otherwise.

    What else should we do? Eliminate engineering schools so we can add double dutch and stuff some more blacks in colleges? Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    Replies: @Guest007, @YetAnotherAnon, @Buzz Mohawk

    As the testimony and evidence showed, blacks are not overrepresented in American sports outside of football and basketball. Outside of those two sports, playing and excelling at sports is a function of family wealth and interest. And as Steve likes to point out, part of success in sports is when one’s birthday falls compared to age cuts offs for sports. Just look at the Little League championships in office and one will see that some of the players have gone through puberty and some have not.

  88. @Bill P
    @Paleo Liberal

    I rowed competitively in high school. Rowing was actually cheaper in Seattle than other sports because the boathouses were publicly funded and Pocock donated racing shells. All you needed was spandex shorts and a tank top. Maybe also running shoes for doing stairs and wind sprints.

    I don't think blacks have any physical advantage in rowing. Their sense of rhythm may be helpful in the sport, but otherwise rowing is monotonous, painful drudgery that requires, in addition to power and endurance, an ability to ignore your body when it is screaming "enough!"

    I was good at it, but aside from the quiet mornings on a still lake, I didn't like it much. I don't see why it would appeal to blacks, either. Any black who has what it takes to row competitively could probably excel in another, better sport (sorry rowers: although I admire your dedication, it's a boring sport and waste of time -- lots of time).

    As for using sports to help blacks out, I think we've reached a point of diminishing return/saturation. They are already wildly overrepresented in American sports, American sports are in many instances deliberately designed to exploit black physical advantages (e.g. constant breaks in football), and universities directly profit from black athletes, giving them far higher representation on campus than they would have otherwise.

    What else should we do? Eliminate engineering schools so we can add double dutch and stuff some more blacks in colleges? Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    Replies: @Guest007, @YetAnotherAnon, @Buzz Mohawk

    “constant breaks in football”

    Much to my horror, one of the brightest young stars in Welsh Rugby Union, Lewis Rees-Zammit, is taking at least a year out of rugby to try out for NFL.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/68005352

    “The International Player Pathway Program helps foreign-born football players reach the NFL.

    Since its inception in 2017, the program has provided elite international athletes with an opportunity to compete at the NFL level, improve their skills, and potentially earn a spot on an NFL roster.

    Players can then earn a place with an NFL team’s practice squad before final selection for the season roster.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers owner Joel Glazer said the decision last September to expanding the scheme was a “significant step forward” in bringing global talent to the NFL.”

  89. @Anon
    I’ve personally found that swimming is not like “learning to ride a bicycle”: if there’s a gap in practice you lose much of it. I’ve learned from scratch twice in my life, and lost it twice. As a kid I completed the YMCA’s Minnows program, and then discovered as an adult I could no longer swim at all. (This would presumably be what a mandatory college swim course would be like.)

    Then, embarrassed by this, in my late 30’s started from scratch (3-foot deep pool practicing putting my head below water), three or four hour-long lessons a week plus daily time in a local public 50-meter pool. Eventually I swam a 5 km open water event (second to last place). After that I didn’t swim for a few years, then tried an 800 meter open water event and had to be rescued about a third of the way through.

    I think the swimming gap may be like the “books in the home” gap, where intensive daycare and mentoring programs only resulted in minor increases in vocabulary and reading skills, followed by fade-out. Ultimately there are few books in homes where the parents don’t like books, because the parents aren’t that smart, and their kids get their genes from the parents. Or the “college degree” gap that seems to get degrees (BAMN) in the hands of kids with 90 IQs thinking they’ll then thrive in jobs that college graduates a few decades ago thrived in.

    Replies: @Corn

    I’ve personally found that swimming is not like “learning to ride a bicycle”: if there’s a gap in practice you lose much of it. I’ve learned from scratch twice in my life, and lost it twice.

    Thanks for sharing that. I too, forgot how to swim. People always act like I’m nuts when I tell them that.

  90. @Almost Missouri
    In the quest to buoy up black bodies, maybe y'all'd be interested in a field report.

    Over the years I've logged a number of stays at midrange hotels in middle class districts. One of the fringe benefits of this for me was the hotel's swimming pool and "fitness center", which offer amenities I'm too cheap and itinerant to subscribe to otherwise.

    In the past, there was typically not much competition for any of this, but since the Summer of Floyd and Lockdownapalooza a new era has dawned. Midrange hotel swimming pools are suddenly full of black bodies. Mostly female. Mostly about age 8-30. Yes, with expensive hair situations. Mostly, they are not swimming. Just standing there in the pool, splashing some, perhaps talking to a peer on the ledge or taking selfies. Some do occasionally submerge their hair(!). No, I don't know what effect this has on their expensive coiffures, but I do know that the effect on the pool is to disperse tiny tufts of what look like black polyester fiberfill abroad in the water. None that I've seen have ever showered before entering the pool, so the water takes on a cloudy cast once one of these parties enters the pool still slathered in hair and skin "product". In some instances the effect of this is so strong that I've abandoned the pool entirely before I suffer an Afrosheen OD.

    The rarer males usually appear as the father of a family. Though I am polite and friendly, these men often exude a peremptory defiance. "We takin' over," seems to be the unspoken message. On one occasion, a harried-looking black mother left her two young daughters in the (un-lifeguarded) hotel swimming pool to entertain themselves while she ran off for an errand. I presume she was under no pressure from the childrens' father to give over custody. The girls were clinging together in the shallow end when I arrived, and seemed amazed that someone might use the pool for swimming from one end to the other.

    So much for the data. What's the analysis? Well, it's not a fitness craze because 1) they usually don't actually swim, and 2) the rest of the fitness equipment is no more populated than before. Rather, it seems that the Spirit of the Summer of George has stimulated the black middle class into action. Maybe not butterfly-stroke-level action, but standing-in-the-[wypipo's]-water-level action. (They also serve who only stand and wade!)

    But it is supply-driven as well as demand-driven. The Spirit of SOG has afflicted the hospitality managers to offer their pools to the local communitay. One of the higher-end hotels I was at had a lovely outdoor pool my window looked over, so spying the sparkling crystalline water on the morn, I resolved to visit in the heat of the afternoon when work was done and the sun was hot. Upon returning I was chagrined to find the pool chockablock with raucous black tweens such that actual swimming was out of the question. I made some delicate inquiries with the hotel's managers as to when the guests currently occupying the pool were expected to check out. "Oh they're not guests. We have a Community Outreach Program..." or some such was the answer. In other words, never.

    tl;dr: Steve's "education that actually would effectively reduce an unfortunate racial gap" is already underway, sort of. Maybe not the actual swimming part, but the getting wet and owning 'white spaces' part, for sure.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ralph L

    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ralph L


    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.

     

    Not to mention suction drains:


    Girl, 5, has intestines sucked from her body in horrific swimming pool incident leaving her unable to eat


    At least she's alive. A younger girl in suburban Minneapolis suffered the same injury, with the same result, and only lived about a year afterward.

    Imagine, if you can, not being able to eat.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Jack D
    @Ralph L


    if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.
     
    I once heard a story (who knows whether it was true - probably not) that when Sammy Davis, Jr. appeared as the headliner in some casino in Las Vegas in 1952, he insisted on staying in the hotel and using the pool and they had no choice but to let him. But after he got out of the pool they would drain it.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ip1ud/til_when_sammy_davis_jr_took_a_swim_in_the_pool/

    Replies: @Ralph L

  91. @Jack D
    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways - one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT's Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @Corn, @Frau Katze, @hhsiii

    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread

    If you put any stock in the accuracy of the Snopes website, the college swim tests aren’t the result of wealthy benefactors or military concerns. They’re simply the vestiges of an early 20th century Red Cross public service/survival skills campaign to encourage everyone to learn to swim.

  92. @Paleo Liberal
    @Guest007

    Note that is women’s rowing. No scholarships for men. This is to make up for all the football scholarships.

    I remember one year reading about how the coach at Wisconsin offered 8 girls scholarships for the incoming class, and was allowed to give admission preference for another 8. Enough for two boats. I used to talk to some of the Wisconsin women rowers who stopped to pet my dog when I was walking him near practice. The vast majority of the freshwomen had played some other sport in HS.

    Preferential enrollment is interesting. For example, the Ivies and the prestigious D-3 liberal arts colleges don’t give scholarships. But students given preferential admission are in no matter what. If a scholarship athlete leaves the team, the scholarship is gone. But a student with preferential admission stays in the school. For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous. In many cases the aid is better than the scholarships at State U



    It is possible the 8 scholarship girls were partial. I really don’t know.

    The men’s coach was notorious for carrying an oar with a mark on it at about 6’2” around campus and going to as many freshman greeting events as possible. Anyone taller than the mark was invited to try out for the men’s team. I know a guy who is 6’3” who was approached by the coach but didn’t want to attend 5 AM practices.
    Seriously, some of the guys signed up by being taller than the mark on the oar wound up in the Olympics.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Don Bob

    For middle class and poorer students, the financial aid for Ivies and other top schools is enormous.

    A kid in my older daughter’s high school class got into Harvard and got a full ride. Generally, if you get accepted to an Ivy, they will take care of the you, though you may have to, as I did, do some work study thing in addition to a scholarship.

  93. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    Those ‘Hispanics’ are whites who have been following my advice, and have thus converted themselves into Hispanics with some practice.

    Any white person with zero Hispanic ancestry or connection can become a credible Hispanic, as per the excellent how-to guide that pro wrestler Scott Hall gave everyone over 30 years ago.

    Here was generic white Scott Hall as ‘himself’ in 1987, with his career still stuck in the minor league :

    Here he was, reinvented as menacing Cuban drug lord ‘Razor Ramon’ in 1992. Yes, both personas are the same person :

    As this was before the Internet and real names were hard to unearth, a lot of viewers never even suspected he was anything other than a Cubano.

    He became Ric Flair’s tag team partner as well as cocaine supplier. Razor’s cocaine was a lot more potent than what even Ric Flair was accustomed to, so watch the very end to see Ric Flair go utterly insane on his cocaine high :

    The last part is pure gold. Not to mention that it is very convenient that Razor’s early opponent was Randy Savage, so that Razor could say “Macho Mang” frequently.

    Pure gold, chico.

    Within 90 days, he had perfected the gimmick to an even more convincing degree; two gringos, but one of them is 100% convincing as a Cubano :

  94. In The MEG (2018 giant shark movie), black guy Page Kennedy plays DJ, who needed to be rescued because he couldn’t swim, because he never learned, even though he was a technical guy on a deep ocean base.

    However, in the 2023 film MEG 2, he saves himself and others, because as he puts it, after what happened earlier, he damn well learned how to swim. So, Hollywood is catching us up.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon7

    That's funny.

  95. @Bill P
    @Paleo Liberal

    I rowed competitively in high school. Rowing was actually cheaper in Seattle than other sports because the boathouses were publicly funded and Pocock donated racing shells. All you needed was spandex shorts and a tank top. Maybe also running shoes for doing stairs and wind sprints.

    I don't think blacks have any physical advantage in rowing. Their sense of rhythm may be helpful in the sport, but otherwise rowing is monotonous, painful drudgery that requires, in addition to power and endurance, an ability to ignore your body when it is screaming "enough!"

    I was good at it, but aside from the quiet mornings on a still lake, I didn't like it much. I don't see why it would appeal to blacks, either. Any black who has what it takes to row competitively could probably excel in another, better sport (sorry rowers: although I admire your dedication, it's a boring sport and waste of time -- lots of time).

    As for using sports to help blacks out, I think we've reached a point of diminishing return/saturation. They are already wildly overrepresented in American sports, American sports are in many instances deliberately designed to exploit black physical advantages (e.g. constant breaks in football), and universities directly profit from black athletes, giving them far higher representation on campus than they would have otherwise.

    What else should we do? Eliminate engineering schools so we can add double dutch and stuff some more blacks in colleges? Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    Replies: @Guest007, @YetAnotherAnon, @Buzz Mohawk

    Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.

    I agree, 100%

    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she’s a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.

    I rowed in the gym at my college for fitness, and then I bought a Waterrower. After a few years, I gave it all up and got rid of the thing in a tag sale. My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time… We have a Pilates machine now.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Buzz Mohawk


    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she’s a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.
     
    Good for her. She'll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.

    My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time…
     
    This is why I wouldn't recommend a rowing machine for non-rowers. When rowing a shell you have to sit upright to keep your oar in the water without lifting your arms above your shoulders and losing leverage. Rowing machines just have a chain you pull, so there's nothing correcting technique which leads most people to do the hunched over thing.

    The one thing rowing (sweeping rather than sculling) can do to one's physique is cause muscular asymmetry, but otherwise it is relatively low-impact and healthy so long as one follows proper technique. It can lead to massive thighs in people who genetically put on muscle there (like me -- my thighs got huge during rowing season), but it also develops the back (lats especially), shoulders and biceps.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  96. @Jack D
    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways - one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT's Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @Corn, @Frau Katze, @hhsiii

    What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    AFAIK, it's a unique American thing (which is not to say it was a bad idea). It didn't even make it across the border to Canada. TBH, when these requirements went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Frau Katze


    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)
     
    Don't about ¾ of British Columbians live within ten miles of the sea? (Of course, swimming may have been required to get through elementary school.)



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Canada_British_Columbia_Density_2016.png/1050px-Canada_British_Columbia_Density_2016.png

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  97. @Anon7
    In The MEG (2018 giant shark movie), black guy Page Kennedy plays DJ, who needed to be rescued because he couldn't swim, because he never learned, even though he was a technical guy on a deep ocean base.

    However, in the 2023 film MEG 2, he saves himself and others, because as he puts it, after what happened earlier, he damn well learned how to swim. So, Hollywood is catching us up.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s funny.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill P


    Frankly I think the entire American collegiate sports thing is kind of stupid and anti-intellectual. Just let the kids do it in clubs if they want.
     
    I agree, 100%

    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she's a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.

    I rowed in the gym at my college for fitness, and then I bought a Waterrower. After a few years, I gave it all up and got rid of the thing in a tag sale. My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time... We have a Pilates machine now.

    Replies: @Bill P

    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she’s a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.

    Good for her. She’ll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.

    My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time…

    This is why I wouldn’t recommend a rowing machine for non-rowers. When rowing a shell you have to sit upright to keep your oar in the water without lifting your arms above your shoulders and losing leverage. Rowing machines just have a chain you pull, so there’s nothing correcting technique which leads most people to do the hunched over thing.

    The one thing rowing (sweeping rather than sculling) can do to one’s physique is cause muscular asymmetry, but otherwise it is relatively low-impact and healthy so long as one follows proper technique. It can lead to massive thighs in people who genetically put on muscle there (like me — my thighs got huge during rowing season), but it also develops the back (lats especially), shoulders and biceps.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Bill P


    She’ll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.
     
    Renaissance Fairs typically are an excuse to cosplay fantasy novels. They have nothing to do with how our ancestors actually lived or thought. The only thing this woman is going to learn is what blend of marijuana she likes best and what sexual partners she should avoid in the future. The rowers I knew in college were generally a pretty happy intelligent bunch, well adjusted, liked to have a good time and have a great alumni network. She's made a horrible mistake.

    Replies: @Bill P

  99. @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    I had trouble copying and pasting the citation with my iPhone. I found it in a few seconds in Google.

    The top men’s rowing team is Yale. As of last May they were 68% foreign. In rowing “foreign “ means European, occasionally Aussie. Harvard was at about 53%.

    10 of the top 12 teams had at least 20% of their men’s rowers from outside the US. The two exceptions were Navy (which only admits Americans) and Wisconsin (which generally recruits from tall freshmen who have never rowed before). Both had 0% foreigners.

    Most of the foreign students at Wisconsin are from Asia, especially China. For some reason no 6’2” or taller Chinese students tried out for, and made, the team.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Almost Missouri

    Since colleges budget in advance how many international students they are taking (along with other things), levering a “poor minorit[y] into college by giving them … skills in a very white niche sport” doesn’t displace a foreigner, it displaces a “very white” niche-ist.

    Even if that weren’t true, the diversity/minoritarian project has reached such a pass that not only are the beneficiaries promoted way past their competence levels, but they are also increasingly ungrateful, hostile to America, and particularly hateful toward white Americans. There is no reason to create even more of this.

  100. OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1747735230775951834

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @J.Ross


    The FBI has Arrested Transgender Plotting Violence Against Jews, Black People, and Allegedly Targeting Transphobic Co-workers with Nazi Imagery and Stockpile of Guns and Ammunition
     
    More proof that far-left and WNs (who are falsely described as 'far-right') have about 99% overlap. Calling them 'far-right' implies they have the greatest distance from the far-left, but in reality they have almost no distance.

    As always :

    https://youtu.be/Ev373c7wSRg


    -Thanks,
    Mordecai Velvel Rabinowitz

    , @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross


    OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
     
    I have proposed Kaganovitch’s Corollary to Caldwell’s Observation–

    Caldwell’s Observation
    ” One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.”

    Kaganovitch’s Corollary
    “One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which Trans people can’t be deadnamed lest they commit suicide to a world where they can’t be deadnamed lest they commit homicide.”

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @AnotherDad
    @J.Ross


    OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
     
    "Transgender" is just a new faddish subset of "mentally-ill" so seeing more of these whack jobs in the massacre biz is utterly unsurprising.

    And since "trans" means "not", this is some mentally-ill dude which is the cohort that dominates the massacre biz.
  101. LOL.

  102. I can’t track it down but I remember than someone was fairly recently cancelled for saying that “Africans can’t swim”. A search on the phrase returns articles on the lines of “busting the myth that blacks can’t…” If you add “Mediterranean”, “boats”, “migrants”, “drowned” it seems that most migrants from Africa can’t swim. And this link: Top 7 Reasons why Most Africans (blacks) Can’t Swim by web developer and pan-Africanist Uzonna Anele.

    Most of the reasons are obvious to some of us. Few waters in Africa are safe to swim in, and black people’s hair styles require time, work and money. To me, one reason was obvious only if you think about it. Blacks are adapted to heat and never long to be in cold water.

  103. More data.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123


    What the hell happened in 1990 to cause that exponential growth in healthcare administration?
     
    Wasn't that the dawn of the "Managed Care" era, which turned out to mean "MANAGED ᶜᵃᵣᵉ"?
    , @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting. Here is some discussion of that.
    https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-management/expert-forum-rise-and-rise-healthcare-administrator

    https://caas.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/sites/insight/files/inline-images/Chart.jpg

    I don't think they really gave an answer though. And that is such a dramatic trend change it calls out for a reason.

    It might be helpful to look at a logarithmic y axis plot of the actual numbers (easier to compare growth rates over time). Part of the effect is probably administrators starting from a low base. The growth in administrators makes it hard to see what really happened with physicians (e.g. looks like a decent bump in in 1981 and from 1993-1995).

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Guest007, @Twinkie

  104. @George
    Your idea is definitely kosher.

    "Judaism has created a three-pointed foundation for the teaching of values. According to the Talmud (the fourth-century rabbinic legal code), parents are required to teach their children Torah (the five books of Moses), a trade, and to swim."

    https://rabbilevbaesh.com/teaching-children.html

    Swim classes would require building and maintaining very large pools, all over. And then staffing those pools with technicians that maintain it, life guards, administrators, and so on. There will also be lawsuits when anything bad happens. The pools will have to be rebuilt regularly. If this is to be done by the government many of the individuals involved will be pensioned with full healthcare and early retirement. So in summary, there is a reason the US lacks swimming pools for all, and poor people have the least access.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That is hilarious yet so sensible. I think I heard a historical anecdote once that hinged on one group knowing how to swim and the other not, but it’s too hazy.
    ———-
    OT — Below, an ominous and important column from Simplicius. tldr the clouds of long-signalled world war are gathering over 2024 or 2025, but people might back down in time, especially since we lack the industrial capacity and manpower that enabked WWII. Chatter is appearing and increasing to the effect that there might not be an election.
    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/new-war-drums-chill-europe-with-renewed

  105. @Dream
    There are more Latinos than Whites at John Hopkins.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1746302553241927911?t=d5WjRcIg2-CdGeSfv2Js7w&s=19

    Replies: @Renard, @Guest007, @Bill Jones, @Erik L, @Paleo Liberal, @res, @Thomm, @AnotherDad

    Like the MIT numbers I commented on last week
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-the-misguided-war-on-the-sat/#comment-6355358

    These even more ridiculous Hopkins numbers show the minoritarian game that’s been run against white gentiles for decades now. Groups performing below whites AA-quota’d up. Then white gentiles in “competition” with Asians and Jews for the remaining spots–and Jews hiding their outsized share under “white”.

    What’s changed lately is that there are many more really high-performing–and test-prepping, and elite college motivated–Asians and these schools have really put the pedal to the metal in quotaing in blacks and–less so–Hispanics. So you get these absolutely ridiculous situations where blacks–who would naturally have close to zero presence at any elite school (1%ish) based on capability–are at their population share, while whites are well below it and white gentiles–whose ancestors built these institutions and the nation–are the most excluded group, not just relative to merit, but relative to population share!

    ~~~

    The thing I found very odd was the combination of their published “diversity” and SAT score data:
    (from res’s comment–thanks res):
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    I make them 16B + 21H + 2N+PI = 39% NAM. Yet they claim their SAT middle 50% is 1520-1560. I finally snapped to the issue that the Coleman era SAT is much easier–the scores 50 points or something higher–than when my kids took it (never mind when I took it). But still even with their bottom 25% wholly NAMs, they need 14% of their class to be NAMs with scores over 1520. Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.

    ~~~

    Finally:

    While I think it is sad, given it’s great tradition and historic position in medicine, ultimately I’m ok with John Hopkins deciding to throw down as an anti-white university. (Honestly why whites should venture into the hellish dystopia of Baltimore is beyond me.)

    Same with Harvard. Unlike other people here, if Harvard’s trustees want it to be 16% or 60% black, black, black–have at it.

    But … whites should have the same rights. The right to have white–or traditional American–institutions without legal and political and financial harassment.

    Whites–unlike the squawking minoritarians–actually build stuff. And we can build again. As with immigration, DIE and much else … just get out of our face and let us live and govern ourselves as we want.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.
     
    Mr. Unz and I had a debate about this in one of his threads (you know his Hispano-philia) in context of the admissions at Caltech. I argued - as did commenter res as well as Chuck from Human Varieties - that "Hispanics" at elite institutions such as Caltech are likely more admixed with whites than ordinary Hispanics in this country: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

    Unz insisted that a quick look at the "pictures" of Caltech seemed to indicate to him that Caltech Hispanics looked Mestizo like other Hispanics. At this point, res provided a photograph of a Hispanic student group at Caltech. I identified the names as follows:


    There are 7 students on that page, to which commenter “res” linked. They are (surnames in bold):

    Sarah Lucia BARRETT
    Christian ZAPATA-SANIN
    Stephanie CORTEZ
    Joaquine GOMEZ
    Sydney RICHARDSON
    Tea FRIEDMAN-SUSSKIND
    Camila BUITRAGO

    Yeah, “Barrett,” “Sanin,” “Richardson,” and “Friedman-Susskind.” Very Hispanic/Amerindian, those names. LOL. Do I even need to note that Sanin, Friedman/Susskind are very common Jewish names? So, out of 7, two have Anglo surnames, two have Jewish surnames, and two with Spanish surnames (Stephanie and Joaquin) are about the whitest-skinned Hispanics. And the remaining one, Carmila, doesn’t exactly look Amerindian much either.
     

    Chuck, of course, helpfully pointed out the data that the presence of European ancestry resulted in about +1.1 SD in IQ.

    As you can imagine, "Hispanic" is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as "Hispanic" because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Steve Sailer, @Frau Katze

  106. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Young people, even young Republicans, really don’t like Trump:

    Trumpism is the movement of boomers pining for a country that no longer exists, who have no plan to get it back, and just want to hear a bunch of optimistic happy-talk and no concrete plans from user car salesman Trump.

  107. I thought I was a good, even excellent swimmer, until I joined a community swim team at age 12. I imagined all the medals I would win, and my pic on a Wheaties box after my Olympic glory. The training was arduous, but it did me little good, as I entered one competition and came in last in each race I swam

    I was disappointed, of course, but I took solace in knowing that although was bad at swimming, I was good at not drowning, or at least good enough

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  108. @Bill Jones
    @Dream

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins' future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he's getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here's what he sent me.


    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 
     

    I won't be darkening their doors again and I'll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    Replies: @res, @bomag, @Twinkie, @duncsbaby

    That is stark; reads like someone indulging their hatreds.

    Replaced “privileged” with “wreckers” and things became clearer.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @bomag

    Reading over the list again I'm struck by the fact that middle-AGED people are somehow privileged now. If you're lucky enough to make it into your 40's, you are a member of the ruling class, I guess.
    Of course my point is a minor complaint compared to the first entry: White people.
    It's not that difficult to figure out, they hate white people.

    Replies: @bomag

  109. @Ralph L
    @Almost Missouri

    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.

    Not to mention suction drains:

    Girl, 5, has intestines sucked from her body in horrific swimming pool incident leaving her unable to eat

    At least she’s alive. A younger girl in suburban Minneapolis suffered the same injury, with the same result, and only lived about a year afterward.

    Imagine, if you can, not being able to eat.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Reg Cæsar

    At least she’s alive.

    Alive for what?

  110. @Ennui
    All of this is happening because it is allowed to happen by the majority. That's where the blame begins and ends. All this nonsense about body positivity, hair, etc. Crack jokes all you want, who looks worse? The efficient, intelligent, hardworking sorts who still subsidize and enable all this or the clueless clowns?

    BTW, I don't know if Africans can swim or not, but they are standing up to a certain small crybully country while simultaneously the good swimmers are groveling to Mr. Bibi, shoveling cash at him. They do a little complaining, but what working gal doesn't complain about her pimp?

    Replies: @bomag

    All of this is happening because it is allowed to happen by the majority. That’s where the blame begins and ends.

    Majorities are often fractious and hacked by a dedicated minority. See Bolsheviks, et al.

    • Replies: @Ennui
    @bomag

    Americans can be quite unified when they want to be, such as supporting a war against a country that didn't attack us in order to defend two countries that either knew about it or elements of who were involved.

  111. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    there is an interesting STEM and rowing program, the goal being to get poor minorities into college by giving them the education they need and also giving them skills in a very white niche sport that could land them a place in a better school and, in the case of the girls, a possible athletic scholarship.
     
    Every school is already madly grasping at any minority they can get. Zero minorities are getting college rejections because they are not rowing crew. Exactly the opposite is happening: minorities are getting acceptances to schools above their capabilities. A program to "land them a place in a better school" will make the current situation even worse.

    This braindead liberalism is exactly how we got here. For the love of God liberals, stop now, before you injure more!

    The only thing this "interesting STEM and rowing program" will accomplish is occluding one of the last avenues through which white students can get a college acceptance. If that is your goal, at least be honest about it.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Ardrguutf

    Are minorities, or majorities, “rowing crew”? Is that what they do? Can one “row crew”, or can one simply be a member of a rowing crew, that is, a crew of rowers?

  112. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:

    The Naval Academy has always had swimming requirements and still does. Every year was graded (and your grades affect class standing). First year was a lot of survival stroke stuff (side elementary, back stroke). You were graded on how few strokes it took to cross the pool (showing a strong stroke and long glide). They also taught dead man float and how to inflate your pants. There was actually a huge overlap with the swimming you learn in Boy Scouts for your skill award, and I had that…so already knew most of the survival stuff and aced the graded strokes and all.

    One gut check was the 10 meter tower jump. The jump sounds like no big deal, but when you are up there, it looks more like 25 meters. You feel way up there. I remember we did it “optionally” plebe summer and also the years before senior. But you had to pass it to graduate. Every year there would be a few people who just couldn’t nut up and do it.

    Crawl stroke was taught and evaluated for form, not speed, first year. But last year, they had the “4o mile swim”, which was 40 minutes in khackis, graded on number of laps done…very arduous.

    The brothers usually had a much harder time and a lot of them were on “sub squad” (extra instruction). My roomie was a recruited wrestler, white, and was also a “rock”. He claimed the problem was his body fat percentage, but I was as lean as him. It’s a skill. Like typing. You can’t muscle it. Have to settle down and go slow and learn it. To this day, he still has issues. Lousy kick.

    P.s. I have seen swim instruction in Germany and Austria and every elementary school has mandatory swim lessons. Done in the local community centers (few schools have pools). I think it’s a good idea, that the US should emulate. Not that impressed by the kids’ ability. But at least they were getting taught.

    P.s.s. I am not a high school or college swim team type, but have a smooth crawl stroke (good grades in PE class). Am in training for a 4.4 mile open water swim, in heavy current water. Most I have done to date is 5500m in the pool. I’m not that scared of it…if you can do 1000 yards, you can do 9000. But I am worried about my pace. They pull you if you are too slow and I barely qualified into the event.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Anonymous

    The Naval Academy requires students to swim, who knew!

    My high school was big on swimming for everyone. Every year when we had the pool rotation of gym class, we were tested on swimming ability by crossing the width of the pool and back. We were then divided into candidates for the swim team at the deep end, those of us who could be counted not to need rescue in the middle, and the kids who couldn't swim at the shallow end.

    I was skinny in high school and could never master of the crawl stroke (I do the butterfly and frog kick well), the teacher would order me to the shallow end of the pool with kids who couldn't swim.

    After one class period in the shallow end, I would get scolded by Coach, "You know how to swim, stop slacking, go to the middle of the pool!", which I was happy to do, to fit in with most of the class. Sub squad indeed!

  113. @J.Ross
    OT -- Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1747735230775951834

    Replies: @Thomm, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad

    The FBI has Arrested Transgender Plotting Violence Against Jews, Black People, and Allegedly Targeting Transphobic Co-workers with Nazi Imagery and Stockpile of Guns and Ammunition

    More proof that far-left and WNs (who are falsely described as ‘far-right’) have about 99% overlap. Calling them ‘far-right’ implies they have the greatest distance from the far-left, but in reality they have almost no distance.

    As always :

    -Thanks,
    Mordecai Velvel Rabinowitz

  114. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?
     
    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    AFAIK, it’s a unique American thing (which is not to say it was a bad idea). It didn’t even make it across the border to Canada. TBH, when these requirements went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    …when these requirements [swimming at university] went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.
     
    For elementary and high school Canada uses the same Kindergarten, Grade 1-12 as the US. This is quite unlike the system in the UK.

    As far as universities go, weren’t the earliest ones in the US places like Harvard? Isn’t it one of the oldest? The US has 10 times the population so everything was on a smaller scale in Canada. The Canadian universities are also all public. I suspect a swimming would have seemed irrelevant.

    To apply to a Canadian university it goes strictly by your marks. There no extra fluff like personal essays, showing you’ve done volunteer work, etc.

    There’s also little of the US practice where students live in dormitories. The only dorms at SFU when I attended were strictly reserved for students who lived in remote places like the Yukon.

    A swimming requirement would be fluff.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  115. @Ralph L
    @Almost Missouri

    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.

    I once heard a story (who knows whether it was true – probably not) that when Sammy Davis, Jr. appeared as the headliner in some casino in Las Vegas in 1952, he insisted on staying in the hotel and using the pool and they had no choice but to let him. But after he got out of the pool they would drain it.

    TIL: When Sammy Davis Jr. took a swim in the pool at the New Frontier hotel & casino in Las Vegas in 1952, they drained the pool when he was done.
    byu/DistantKarma intodayilearned

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I knew my comment sounded racissst!
    In the 50s, white men used greasy kid stuff hair product, too, and probably didn't bathe as often as they do now.

  116. • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    I liked that they bombed some guy's house in Iraqi Kurdistan in order to strike at "the Israelis". Because if they were to ACTUALLY strike at Israel, Israel would nuke them.

    Ayatollahs have a domestic political problem, which is that they just suffered a big domestic terrorist attack and intelligence failure. Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption. Usually Iran prefers to act thru its proxies so it can say it dindu nuffin. But in this case they were backed into a corner and had to be seen to act. So they chose to bomb relatively friendly or helpless countries where there would not be a big backlash. Yeah, the Pakistanis are pissed but they will get over it in a few days.

    Replies: @Anon, @tyrone

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ralph L


    A few lawsuits after a drowning or paralytic injury may stop that practice if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.

     

    Not to mention suction drains:


    Girl, 5, has intestines sucked from her body in horrific swimming pool incident leaving her unable to eat


    At least she's alive. A younger girl in suburban Minneapolis suffered the same injury, with the same result, and only lived about a year afterward.

    Imagine, if you can, not being able to eat.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    At least she’s alive.

    Alive for what?

  118. @J.Ross
    OT -- Who had Pakistan attacks Iran in hellworld bingo?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/world/middleeast/iran-missiles-pakistan-iraq.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/middleeast/iran-missile-attack-pakistan-intl-hnk/index.html

    Replies: @Jack D

    I liked that they bombed some guy’s house in Iraqi Kurdistan in order to strike at “the Israelis”. Because if they were to ACTUALLY strike at Israel, Israel would nuke them.

    Ayatollahs have a domestic political problem, which is that they just suffered a big domestic terrorist attack and intelligence failure. Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption. Usually Iran prefers to act thru its proxies so it can say it dindu nuffin. But in this case they were backed into a corner and had to be seen to act. So they chose to bomb relatively friendly or helpless countries where there would not be a big backlash. Yeah, the Pakistanis are pissed but they will get over it in a few days.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Lol, shouldn't you be undermining society in Crown Heights or something. Where is your shovel?

    , @tyrone
    @Jack D


    Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption.
     
    HOW DARE THEY! don't they know that privilege is reserved for only one country ....oh, excuse me , two.
  119. @J.Ross
    OT -- Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1747735230775951834

    Replies: @Thomm, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad

    OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.

    I have proposed Kaganovitch’s Corollary to Caldwell’s Observation–

    Caldwell’s Observation
    ” One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.”

    Kaganovitch’s Corollary
    “One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which Trans people can’t be deadnamed lest they commit suicide to a world where they can’t be deadnamed lest they commit homicide.”

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @kaganovitch


    Kaganovitch’s Corollary
     
    Far be it from me to presume to supply emendations to your typically masterful pronouncements, but even you will have to agree that Kagan's Corollary has a snappier ring to it.

    And feel free to credit me (if only privately) with already knowing why you wouldn't want to do it ;)

  120. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?
     
    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)

    Don’t about ¾ of British Columbians live within ten miles of the sea? (Of course, swimming may have been required to get through elementary school.)

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold. The shore is also mostly rocky rather than sandy. On a hot day mobs of people descend on the handful of groomed beaches in Vancouver. Yuck.

    Inland there are some lakes suitable for swimming but they’re pretty cold too.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

  121. @Ralph L
    @Paleo Liberal

    Navy (which only admits Americans)

    They've taken foreign students since the 19th century, but not in the numbers other colleges do now. They get commissions in their own navy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks for the correction.
    I didn’t know that until now.
    And yes, there are 15 foreigners in each class.

  122. OT — Two NYC cops killed by career criminal of color.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/officer-shot-in-brooklyn/

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @J.Ross

    Shot, not killed (yet).

    cbs news refused to say if the incompetent, shot cops were both men.


    “‘as I’m entering the building, I hear shots – pow, pow,’ neighbor Nova Fuller said....

    “‘there’s a suspect, there’s blood, there’s glass, and my kids start crying, so this is not even good for my kids to see,’ Fuller said.”

    “Alecia Reid is an award winning, Emmy nominated reporter for cbs new york. she is a sustainability & social justice advocate; passionate about giving a voice to people who may not otherwise be able to tell their stories.” [Like black supremacist cop-shooters, and their fans, in contrast to hard-working, law-abiding, taxpayers.]
     
    So, the black neighbor lady isn’t at all concerned that the perp just shot two coppers, much less that he just beat his mother to a pulp, and like her, the fake news reporter (“social justice advocate”), is from the confederacy in support of colored cut-throats.
  123. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    AFAIK, it's a unique American thing (which is not to say it was a bad idea). It didn't even make it across the border to Canada. TBH, when these requirements went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    …when these requirements [swimming at university] went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.

    For elementary and high school Canada uses the same Kindergarten, Grade 1-12 as the US. This is quite unlike the system in the UK.

    As far as universities go, weren’t the earliest ones in the US places like Harvard? Isn’t it one of the oldest? The US has 10 times the population so everything was on a smaller scale in Canada. The Canadian universities are also all public. I suspect a swimming would have seemed irrelevant.

    To apply to a Canadian university it goes strictly by your marks. There no extra fluff like personal essays, showing you’ve done volunteer work, etc.

    There’s also little of the US practice where students live in dormitories. The only dorms at SFU when I attended were strictly reserved for students who lived in remote places like the Yukon.

    A swimming requirement would be fluff.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Frau Katze

    American colleges are more all-encompassing full-service institutions than anything abroad other than maybe Oxford and Cambridge, and even those winners of The Big One only compete in a few sports. If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn't an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

    German colleges used to be major social institutions (e.g., "The Student Prince" was the biggest Broadway smash of some year like 1923), but a series of unfortunate events in the first half of the 20th Century reduced them in scope and prestige.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jack D

  124. @Reg Cæsar
    @Frau Katze


    There was no such requirement when I went to university in 1969. Nor any such thing when my kids went a generation later.

    (BC, Canada)
     
    Don't about ¾ of British Columbians live within ten miles of the sea? (Of course, swimming may have been required to get through elementary school.)



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Canada_British_Columbia_Density_2016.png/1050px-Canada_British_Columbia_Density_2016.png

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold. The shore is also mostly rocky rather than sandy. On a hot day mobs of people descend on the handful of groomed beaches in Vancouver. Yuck.

    Inland there are some lakes suitable for swimming but they’re pretty cold too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Frau Katze

    What is your German background?

    I'm not the NSA or flirting. But am self-studying German. Reading children's books (about my speed...FAZ is too hard.)

    P.s. I was involved in two incidents in Esquimalt (Victoria) in the USN. One drinking/pub related and one international nuclear kerfuffle. The former got buried...the latter caused a letter to go to every ship in the fleet. :-( But my ship was cursed...honest...people disbelieve, but then I tell them the name and they agree. Fun town though...liked the bar where you eat peanuts and throw the shells on the floor.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @AnotherDad
    @Frau Katze


    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold....
     
    Desolation Sound.

    (In the summer of course, not now.)
    , @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold.
     
    Nothing in coastal BC is that cold.

    Have you been to the interior of the U.S. (say, Iowa) or the Northeast (say, New Hampshire), let alone the Canadian interior?

    To me, British Columbia - like Washington State in the US - has a mild (and variegated) climate and exceptionally beautiful nature. I'd live in those places but for the people. ;)

    Alas, people first, ideas second, hardware third. So, I'll probably end up retiring (fully) to Wyoming or Tennessee, unless my wife and I decide to hunker down fully in West Virginia where I own a farmhouse.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P

  125. @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold. The shore is also mostly rocky rather than sandy. On a hot day mobs of people descend on the handful of groomed beaches in Vancouver. Yuck.

    Inland there are some lakes suitable for swimming but they’re pretty cold too.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    What is your German background?

    I’m not the NSA or flirting. But am self-studying German. Reading children’s books (about my speed…FAZ is too hard.)

    P.s. I was involved in two incidents in Esquimalt (Victoria) in the USN. One drinking/pub related and one international nuclear kerfuffle. The former got buried…the latter caused a letter to go to every ship in the fleet. 🙁 But my ship was cursed…honest…people disbelieve, but then I tell them the name and they agree. Fun town though…liked the bar where you eat peanuts and throw the shells on the floor.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Anonymous

    I have no German background. My ancestors are all from the UK.

    But I was self teaching too several years ago. It seemed a natural for a deep anonymous pseudonym a few years ago when I was still working (and concerned about my reputation. Now retired.)

    I eventually gave up on the self teaching. I didn’t seem to have a talent for it.

    Replies: @Ralph L

  126. @Bill Jones
    @Dream

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins' future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he's getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here's what he sent me.


    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 
     

    I won't be darkening their doors again and I'll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    Replies: @res, @bomag, @Twinkie, @duncsbaby

    That letter was authored and sent by the head of DIE (“Chief Diversity Officer”) at Johns Hopkins Hospital (one guess as to race): https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.

    • Replies: @res
    @Twinkie


    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.
     
    What do you want to bet her primary regret is she was not able to get away with it?

    Any chance of getting a copy of the apology? I suspect that would be even more interesting. You can learn a lot from people's apologies for things they really did mean.

    Here is what I found.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962519/Johns-Hopkins-dean-apologizes-staff-DEI.html

    From the dean (BTW, a great typo there).

    Theodore L. DeWeese, the Dead of the Medical Faculty, and Kevin W. Sowers, the President of Johns Hopkins Health System, wrote: 'Every month, the Johns Hopkins Medicine Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Health Equity distributes a newsletter from JHM's chief diversity officer, Dr. Sherita Golden.

    'Regrettably, the January edition of this newsletter, which was distributed to all Johns Hopkins Medicine employees yesterday, included a definition of privilege that runs counter to the values of our institution, and our mission and commitment to serve everyone equally.

    'Dr Golden heard the feedback from our community, sincerely apologized, and retracted the definition. We fully support and appreciate her decision to do so, and as leaders of Johns Hopkins Medicine, we too repudiate this language.'
     
    From her. Image of the full message there.

    After the post went viral on Twitter, Golden issued an apology to staff.

    'The newsletter included a definition of the word privilege which, upon reflection, I deeply regret. The intent of the newsletter is to inform and support an inclusive community at Hopkins, but the language of this definition clearly did not meet that goal.

    'In fact, because it was overly simplistic and poorly worded, it had the opposite effect.'

    'I retract and disavow the definition I shared and I am sorry.'

     

    Would be interesting to see her subsequent monthly newsletters.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  127. @Sleep
    Is it not the case that blacks make poor swimmers because they have more muscle and less body fat than other races? Which makes it more difficult to stay afloat. I had always assumed that this was all biology and no culture, and that people just didn't talk about it much.

    I could be wrong. But if I'm right (and I don't remember where I read this), all the lessons in the world aren't going to make people who are simply too heavy to float be able to swim competently. I'm sure blacks have as much diversity in body types as any other race, and some of them do make good swimmers, but the worry about drowning, especially for small children, may make parents reluctant to let their kids out of sight.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Can Michael Phelps float?

    It would seem like a good idea to teach those who most need proper swimming technique to not sink how not to sink.

  128. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Mildly OT, but I think this needs to be explicitly highlighted and pointed out.....

    Donald Trump despite all his legal ordeals and despite his obvious ridiculosity, still remains a major player in the fake election fake sweepstakes.

    Why? Everybody despises him, everyone knows he's a clown. So, ...WHY is he still such a front runner?

    It is because White America is trying to tell the ruling class: We HATE You. We hate you with every fiber of our being, and we know perfectly well that you hate us back, but that is the whole point.

    We HATE you.

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    WE *HATE* YOU.

    It's not a rhet0rical ploy, it is now an actual, French-Revolution type of thing, a Tom Paine kind of thing.

    WE FUCKING HATE YOU.

    Did you hear us?

    WE HATE YOU.

    Get it loud and clear. Just in case you missed it...

    WE HATE YOU.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Jim Don Bob, @CalCooledge, @Anon

    Exactly. It’s sending a message. As the bumpersticker says, “Trump 2024: Because FU”.

  129. @AnotherDad
    @Dream

    Like the MIT numbers I commented on last week
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-the-misguided-war-on-the-sat/#comment-6355358

    These even more ridiculous Hopkins numbers show the minoritarian game that's been run against white gentiles for decades now. Groups performing below whites AA-quota'd up. Then white gentiles in "competition" with Asians and Jews for the remaining spots--and Jews hiding their outsized share under "white".

    What's changed lately is that there are many more really high-performing--and test-prepping, and elite college motivated--Asians and these schools have really put the pedal to the metal in quotaing in blacks and--less so--Hispanics. So you get these absolutely ridiculous situations where blacks--who would naturally have close to zero presence at any elite school (1%ish) based on capability--are at their population share, while whites are well below it and white gentiles--whose ancestors built these institutions and the nation--are the most excluded group, not just relative to merit, but relative to population share!

    ~~~

    The thing I found very odd was the combination of their published "diversity" and SAT score data:
    (from res's comment--thanks res):
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    I make them 16B + 21H + 2N+PI = 39% NAM. Yet they claim their SAT middle 50% is 1520-1560. I finally snapped to the issue that the Coleman era SAT is much easier--the scores 50 points or something higher--than when my kids took it (never mind when I took it). But still even with their bottom 25% wholly NAMs, they need 14% of their class to be NAMs with scores over 1520. Really? I'd sure like to see what all these "Hispanic" Americans actually look like and who they are.

    ~~~

    Finally:

    While I think it is sad, given it's great tradition and historic position in medicine, ultimately I'm ok with John Hopkins deciding to throw down as an anti-white university. (Honestly why whites should venture into the hellish dystopia of Baltimore is beyond me.)

    Same with Harvard. Unlike other people here, if Harvard's trustees want it to be 16% or 60% black, black, black--have at it.

    But ... whites should have the same rights. The right to have white--or traditional American--institutions without legal and political and financial harassment.

    Whites--unlike the squawking minoritarians--actually build stuff. And we can build again. As with immigration, DIE and much else ... just get out of our face and let us live and govern ourselves as we want.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.

    Mr. Unz and I had a debate about this in one of his threads (you know his Hispano-philia) in context of the admissions at Caltech. I argued – as did commenter res as well as Chuck from Human Varieties – that “Hispanics” at elite institutions such as Caltech are likely more admixed with whites than ordinary Hispanics in this country: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

    Unz insisted that a quick look at the “pictures” of Caltech seemed to indicate to him that Caltech Hispanics looked Mestizo like other Hispanics. At this point, res provided a photograph of a Hispanic student group at Caltech. I identified the names as follows:

    There are 7 students on that page, to which commenter “res” linked. They are (surnames in bold):

    Sarah Lucia BARRETT
    Christian ZAPATA-SANIN
    Stephanie CORTEZ
    Joaquine GOMEZ
    Sydney RICHARDSON
    Tea FRIEDMAN-SUSSKIND
    Camila BUITRAGO

    Yeah, “Barrett,” “Sanin,” “Richardson,” and “Friedman-Susskind.” Very Hispanic/Amerindian, those names. LOL. Do I even need to note that Sanin, Friedman/Susskind are very common Jewish names? So, out of 7, two have Anglo surnames, two have Jewish surnames, and two with Spanish surnames (Stephanie and Joaquin) are about the whitest-skinned Hispanics. And the remaining one, Carmila, doesn’t exactly look Amerindian much either.

    Chuck, of course, helpfully pointed out the data that the presence of European ancestry resulted in about +1.1 SD in IQ.

    As you can imagine, “Hispanic” is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as “Hispanic” because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Twinkie


    As you can imagine, “Hispanic” is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as “Hispanic” because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

     

    That's what I would do if Middle Eastern ever became its own category and included Israeli as a sub-category. I was born in Israel and am a quarter Ashkenazi Jewish descent, so I think that I can legitimately label myself Israeli, especially considering that I also have Israeli citizenship. I will also label myself white, of course, because that's where the remaining 75% of my ancestry is.
    , @Steve Sailer
    @Twinkie

    My son went to a fine high school a few miles from Caltech, where some of the parents had gone to Caltech or worked at JPL. At the graduations ceremony, several students were announced to have won the equivalent of National Merit Scholar for Hispanics, but none of them had been known as Hispanic to their classmates. They all had names like Miriam Cabot-Wang, but their Abuela Goldfarb from Buenos Aires gotten them in to the Hispanic category.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    "Hispanic” is a very porous category
     
    It’s puzzling to me. If it’s meant to apply to natives from Mexico and further south it should be stated explicitly.

    Otherwise you get people of 100% European ancestry latching on to an affirmative action slot just because they’ve got Spanish or Portuguese ancestry.

    I believe “mestizo” means mixed native and white (analogous to the French Métis in Canada).

    Replies: @res

  130. @Anonymous
    @Frau Katze

    What is your German background?

    I'm not the NSA or flirting. But am self-studying German. Reading children's books (about my speed...FAZ is too hard.)

    P.s. I was involved in two incidents in Esquimalt (Victoria) in the USN. One drinking/pub related and one international nuclear kerfuffle. The former got buried...the latter caused a letter to go to every ship in the fleet. :-( But my ship was cursed...honest...people disbelieve, but then I tell them the name and they agree. Fun town though...liked the bar where you eat peanuts and throw the shells on the floor.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I have no German background. My ancestors are all from the UK.

    But I was self teaching too several years ago. It seemed a natural for a deep anonymous pseudonym a few years ago when I was still working (and concerned about my reputation. Now retired.)

    I eventually gave up on the self teaching. I didn’t seem to have a talent for it.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Frau Katze

    I knew I was in trouble when the textbook threw Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung (speed limit) at us the first few days of college German. Next quarter, I switched to the slack professor and can hardly remember any of the year's work despite getting As.

  131. @Elli
    @SafeNow

    I saw a near downing once. A little three y.o. in her own pool. Her father told me all the children could swim.

    So here was this little girl treading water, looking straight at me. Her mouth and nose under water. But treading water very industriously, swimming as her father told me she could. And just as it dawned on me how frightened her eyes were, her father also realized and snatched her out of the pool.

    Drowning is quiet.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Drowning is quiet.

    My wife and I, when we started to have children, trained all our babies to flip up (face up to sky, back toward water), float, and scream/cry to draw attention.

    My wife is a fish and loves the water (when she was younger, she used to swim far from the shore into the ocean) and made sure to teach the kids to float since they were babies. I still have videos of her teaching them when they were just a few months old. That look of “Wah, what is still cold, slimy thing engulfing me and my face?” from the kids was priceless.

  132. @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.
     
    Mr. Unz and I had a debate about this in one of his threads (you know his Hispano-philia) in context of the admissions at Caltech. I argued - as did commenter res as well as Chuck from Human Varieties - that "Hispanics" at elite institutions such as Caltech are likely more admixed with whites than ordinary Hispanics in this country: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

    Unz insisted that a quick look at the "pictures" of Caltech seemed to indicate to him that Caltech Hispanics looked Mestizo like other Hispanics. At this point, res provided a photograph of a Hispanic student group at Caltech. I identified the names as follows:


    There are 7 students on that page, to which commenter “res” linked. They are (surnames in bold):

    Sarah Lucia BARRETT
    Christian ZAPATA-SANIN
    Stephanie CORTEZ
    Joaquine GOMEZ
    Sydney RICHARDSON
    Tea FRIEDMAN-SUSSKIND
    Camila BUITRAGO

    Yeah, “Barrett,” “Sanin,” “Richardson,” and “Friedman-Susskind.” Very Hispanic/Amerindian, those names. LOL. Do I even need to note that Sanin, Friedman/Susskind are very common Jewish names? So, out of 7, two have Anglo surnames, two have Jewish surnames, and two with Spanish surnames (Stephanie and Joaquin) are about the whitest-skinned Hispanics. And the remaining one, Carmila, doesn’t exactly look Amerindian much either.
     

    Chuck, of course, helpfully pointed out the data that the presence of European ancestry resulted in about +1.1 SD in IQ.

    As you can imagine, "Hispanic" is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as "Hispanic" because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Steve Sailer, @Frau Katze

    As you can imagine, “Hispanic” is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as “Hispanic” because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    That’s what I would do if Middle Eastern ever became its own category and included Israeli as a sub-category. I was born in Israel and am a quarter Ashkenazi Jewish descent, so I think that I can legitimately label myself Israeli, especially considering that I also have Israeli citizenship. I will also label myself white, of course, because that’s where the remaining 75% of my ancestry is.

  133. @rienzi
    When I was in Navy boot camp we got taken to the pool and, had to swim across in our clothes. Useful ability to have if your ship is sinking.

    All of the white guys did it with no problem. The black guys from the ghettos of Chicago and Detroit sank like rocks and, had to be fished out. They all got special swimming lessons until they could get across the pool with their clothes on.

    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn't swim would join the Navy. Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.

    Replies: @oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @Muggles, @Twinkie

    Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.

    I mentioned an older friend of mine who used be a B-52 pilot for the USAF (back when there was SAC). He LOOOOOVES flying. He lives for it. Every chance he gets, even now, he flies his own prop plane. He wants to die in his plane (while flying it).

    The funny thing about all that is that he is terrified of height.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Twinkie

    I had friend in Army Aviation, an attack helicopter pilot the same way. Afraid of heights. At airborne school, he was terrified of the contraption that takes you way up in the air and dangles you there until you drop.

  134. Immigration is driving down the labor force participation rate.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    These are really good tweets/Xs/xweets, but it took me several minutes to see why.

    Virgil Bierschwale needs a catchy headline writer.

    E.g., "South Park vindicated: They took our yobs!"

  135. @Bill Jones
    @Dream

    Well there are a couple less Whites in Hopkins' future. My hand surgeon sent me a note last week saying he's getting out of dodge because of a bunch of issues at Hopkins not least the diversity bullshit.
    He and his wife, another Hopkins physician are gone at the end of the term, June.
    Here's what he sent me.


    Diversity Word of the Month

    Privilege is a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group. Privilege operates on personal, interpersonal, cultural and institutional levels, and it provides advantages and favors to members of dominant groups at the expense of members of other groups. In the United States, privilege is granted to people who have membership in one or more of these social identity groups:

    White people
    Able-bodied people
    Heterosexuals
    Cisgender people
    Males
    Christians
    Middle or owning class people
    Middle-aged people
    English-speaking people
     

    Privilege is characteristically invisible to people who have it. People in dominant groups often believe they have earned the privileges they enjoy or that everyone could have access to these privileges if only they worked to earn them. In fact, privileges are unearned and are granted to people in the dominant groups whether they want those privileges or not, and regardless of their stated intent. 
     

    I won't be darkening their doors again and I'll be changing my insurance coverage from a Hopkins HMO.

    Replies: @res, @bomag, @Twinkie, @duncsbaby

    The phrase, “White privilege,” is a blood-libel.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
  136. @J.Ross
    OT -- Two NYC cops killed by career criminal of color.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/officer-shot-in-brooklyn/

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Shot, not killed (yet).

    cbs news refused to say if the incompetent, shot cops were both men.

    “‘as I’m entering the building, I hear shots – pow, pow,’ neighbor Nova Fuller said….

    “‘there’s a suspect, there’s blood, there’s glass, and my kids start crying, so this is not even good for my kids to see,’ Fuller said.”

    “Alecia Reid is an award winning, Emmy nominated reporter for cbs new york. she is a sustainability & social justice advocate; passionate about giving a voice to people who may not otherwise be able to tell their stories.” [Like black supremacist cop-shooters, and their fans, in contrast to hard-working, law-abiding, taxpayers.]

    So, the black neighbor lady isn’t at all concerned that the perp just shot two coppers, much less that he just beat his mother to a pulp, and like her, the fake news reporter (“social justice advocate”), is from the confederacy in support of colored cut-throats.

  137. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    I liked that they bombed some guy's house in Iraqi Kurdistan in order to strike at "the Israelis". Because if they were to ACTUALLY strike at Israel, Israel would nuke them.

    Ayatollahs have a domestic political problem, which is that they just suffered a big domestic terrorist attack and intelligence failure. Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption. Usually Iran prefers to act thru its proxies so it can say it dindu nuffin. But in this case they were backed into a corner and had to be seen to act. So they chose to bomb relatively friendly or helpless countries where there would not be a big backlash. Yeah, the Pakistanis are pissed but they will get over it in a few days.

    Replies: @Anon, @tyrone

    Lol, shouldn’t you be undermining society in Crown Heights or something. Where is your shovel?

  138. @Jack D
    @Ralph L


    if the cost of extra filters and cleaning doesn’t.
     
    I once heard a story (who knows whether it was true - probably not) that when Sammy Davis, Jr. appeared as the headliner in some casino in Las Vegas in 1952, he insisted on staying in the hotel and using the pool and they had no choice but to let him. But after he got out of the pool they would drain it.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ip1ud/til_when_sammy_davis_jr_took_a_swim_in_the_pool/

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Yeah, I knew my comment sounded racissst!
    In the 50s, white men used greasy kid stuff hair product, too, and probably didn’t bathe as often as they do now.

  139. @Frau Katze
    @Anonymous

    I have no German background. My ancestors are all from the UK.

    But I was self teaching too several years ago. It seemed a natural for a deep anonymous pseudonym a few years ago when I was still working (and concerned about my reputation. Now retired.)

    I eventually gave up on the self teaching. I didn’t seem to have a talent for it.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    I knew I was in trouble when the textbook threw Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung (speed limit) at us the first few days of college German. Next quarter, I switched to the slack professor and can hardly remember any of the year’s work despite getting As.

    • Thanks: Frau Katze
  140. Dumbo [AKA "The Artist Formerly Known as Dumbo"] says:

    More swimming lessons can’t hurt, but I don’t think they will make that much difference.

    I thought most people knew how to swim and learned it at school already. They do in Europe. Swimming is not really hard to learn. It’s easier than learning how to ride a bicycle.

    I don’t think drowning has much to do with learning to swim. If you don’t know how to swim, you’re going to be more careful not going into deep water.

    Most people who drown, it’s either because they try more risky behaviour like jumping from high above, or going into a river with strong currents, or into the sea with a red flag, stuff like that.

    Also, I’ve read once that black drown more because their bones are more dense or something like that. I have no idea. Don’t care that much either.

  141. @bomag
    @Bill Jones

    That is stark; reads like someone indulging their hatreds.

    Replaced "privileged" with "wreckers" and things became clearer.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Reading over the list again I’m struck by the fact that middle-AGED people are somehow privileged now. If you’re lucky enough to make it into your 40’s, you are a member of the ruling class, I guess.
    Of course my point is a minor complaint compared to the first entry: White people.
    It’s not that difficult to figure out, they hate white people.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @duncsbaby

    Yeah, the whole notion of living a quiet, normal life now being something evil.

    And "Christian" is such a shark-jumping entry: a category anyone is free to join; reliably trashed by today's dominant media culture.

  142. @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.
     
    Mr. Unz and I had a debate about this in one of his threads (you know his Hispano-philia) in context of the admissions at Caltech. I argued - as did commenter res as well as Chuck from Human Varieties - that "Hispanics" at elite institutions such as Caltech are likely more admixed with whites than ordinary Hispanics in this country: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

    Unz insisted that a quick look at the "pictures" of Caltech seemed to indicate to him that Caltech Hispanics looked Mestizo like other Hispanics. At this point, res provided a photograph of a Hispanic student group at Caltech. I identified the names as follows:


    There are 7 students on that page, to which commenter “res” linked. They are (surnames in bold):

    Sarah Lucia BARRETT
    Christian ZAPATA-SANIN
    Stephanie CORTEZ
    Joaquine GOMEZ
    Sydney RICHARDSON
    Tea FRIEDMAN-SUSSKIND
    Camila BUITRAGO

    Yeah, “Barrett,” “Sanin,” “Richardson,” and “Friedman-Susskind.” Very Hispanic/Amerindian, those names. LOL. Do I even need to note that Sanin, Friedman/Susskind are very common Jewish names? So, out of 7, two have Anglo surnames, two have Jewish surnames, and two with Spanish surnames (Stephanie and Joaquin) are about the whitest-skinned Hispanics. And the remaining one, Carmila, doesn’t exactly look Amerindian much either.
     

    Chuck, of course, helpfully pointed out the data that the presence of European ancestry resulted in about +1.1 SD in IQ.

    As you can imagine, "Hispanic" is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as "Hispanic" because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Steve Sailer, @Frau Katze

    My son went to a fine high school a few miles from Caltech, where some of the parents had gone to Caltech or worked at JPL. At the graduations ceremony, several students were announced to have won the equivalent of National Merit Scholar for Hispanics, but none of them had been known as Hispanic to their classmates. They all had names like Miriam Cabot-Wang, but their Abuela Goldfarb from Buenos Aires gotten them in to the Hispanic category.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    their Abuela Goldfarb from Buenos Aires
     
    Funny.

    several students were announced to have won the equivalent of National Merit Scholar for Hispanics, but none of them had been known as Hispanic to their classmates. They all had names like Miriam Cabot-Wang
     
    We've all seen this with our lying eyes, but Mr. Unz has a Hispano-philia agenda, so, those Caltech "Hispanics" all look like the ladies who clean my house to him. And he attributes those rising Hispanic figures at elite institutions, not to gaming the affirmative action system*, but to sort of a Flynn effect for Hispanics in America (despite all evidences to the contrary, i.e. Hispanic economic and educational progress halts or even reverses after the second generation in the U.S.).

    *Again, "Hispanic" is a far more nebulous and porous category (it's not even racial), so it's more difficult to challenge, and gaming it also begets much less blowback feigning than being black when discovered. And that doesn't even include the likely overrepresentation of the elite fraction of those with genuine Latin origin. For example, lately the actor Pedro Pascal is in everything, including HBO's The Last of Us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pascal


    José Pedro Balmaceda Pascal was born on April 2, 1975, in Santiago, Chile[4] to child psychologist Verónica Pascal Ureta and fertility doctor José Balmaceda Riera.[5][6] His paternal grandmother was born in Palma de Mallorca, Spain.[7] He has an older sister named Javiera,[8] a younger brother named Nicolás,[9] and a younger sister named Lux, who is an actress and transgender activist.[10][11] Pascal's mother was the cousin of Andrés Pascal Allende, the nephew of socialist Chilean President Salvador Allende (through his sister Laura). Pascal Allende was an early leader of the Movement of the Revolutionary Left, a militant far-left organization.[12]

    Nine months after his birth, his family sought refuge in the Venezuelan embassy in Santiago, and later received political asylum in Denmark.[13][14] Ultimately, the family moved to the United States, where Pascal was raised in San Antonio, Texas,[15] until they relocated to Orange County, California, when he was 11 years old.[14] By the time he was eight years old, his family regularly visited Chile to see his 34 cousins.[16]
     

    https://br.web.img3.acsta.net/pictures/18/07/25/22/45/4848777.jpg

    Pascal, of course, plays a Hispanic or a white (or even vaguely Middle Eastern) as the need of the role dictates.

  143. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    …when these requirements [swimming at university] went in (early 20th century) in some ways Canada was more attuned to UK culture than it was to American.
     
    For elementary and high school Canada uses the same Kindergarten, Grade 1-12 as the US. This is quite unlike the system in the UK.

    As far as universities go, weren’t the earliest ones in the US places like Harvard? Isn’t it one of the oldest? The US has 10 times the population so everything was on a smaller scale in Canada. The Canadian universities are also all public. I suspect a swimming would have seemed irrelevant.

    To apply to a Canadian university it goes strictly by your marks. There no extra fluff like personal essays, showing you’ve done volunteer work, etc.

    There’s also little of the US practice where students live in dormitories. The only dorms at SFU when I attended were strictly reserved for students who lived in remote places like the Yukon.

    A swimming requirement would be fluff.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    American colleges are more all-encompassing full-service institutions than anything abroad other than maybe Oxford and Cambridge, and even those winners of The Big One only compete in a few sports. If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn’t an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

    German colleges used to be major social institutions (e.g., “The Student Prince” was the biggest Broadway smash of some year like 1923), but a series of unfortunate events in the first half of the 20th Century reduced them in scope and prestige.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Steve Sailer


    If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn’t an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

     

    Oxford and Cambridge have an annual rowing race -- aka 'The Boat Race' -- that is carried out in front of many many people. According to Wikipedia:

    In most years over 250,000 people watch the race from the banks of the river. In 2009, a record 270,000 people watched the race live. A further 15 million or more watch it on television.

     

    A quarter million watching live, and 15 million watching on TV, is pretty big in a country a fraction the size of the USA.

    But this race is a yearly one-off, and its existence does little to undermine the academic seriousness of these institutions, at least in comparison to the mind-eating rot that is American college sports.

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    The ending of the Student Prince is more 1923 than 2023. When forced to choose between marrying a princess that he doesn't love and a barmaid whom he does, he does his duty and marries the princess. But not before stopping in Heidelberg and singing a farewell duet. In the 2024 remake the barmaid would be Muslim and he would marry her for sure.

    Mark Twain wrote an interesting piece about the dueling fraternities of Heidelberg. It really was a unique subculture if an insane form of fencing. They wore goggles so they wouldn't become blinded but otherwise you were SUPPOSED to stand there and take hits on your face.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  144. @Steve Sailer
    @Frau Katze

    American colleges are more all-encompassing full-service institutions than anything abroad other than maybe Oxford and Cambridge, and even those winners of The Big One only compete in a few sports. If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn't an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

    German colleges used to be major social institutions (e.g., "The Student Prince" was the biggest Broadway smash of some year like 1923), but a series of unfortunate events in the first half of the 20th Century reduced them in scope and prestige.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jack D

    If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn’t an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

    Oxford and Cambridge have an annual rowing race — aka ‘The Boat Race’ — that is carried out in front of many many people. According to Wikipedia:

    In most years over 250,000 people watch the race from the banks of the river. In 2009, a record 270,000 people watched the race live. A further 15 million or more watch it on television.

    A quarter million watching live, and 15 million watching on TV, is pretty big in a country a fraction the size of the USA.

    But this race is a yearly one-off, and its existence does little to undermine the academic seriousness of these institutions, at least in comparison to the mind-eating rot that is American college sports.

  145. @Twinkie
    @rienzi


    Much like someone with a fear of flying joining the Air Force.
     
    I mentioned an older friend of mine who used be a B-52 pilot for the USAF (back when there was SAC). He LOOOOOVES flying. He lives for it. Every chance he gets, even now, he flies his own prop plane. He wants to die in his plane (while flying it).

    The funny thing about all that is that he is terrified of height.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I had friend in Army Aviation, an attack helicopter pilot the same way. Afraid of heights. At airborne school, he was terrified of the contraption that takes you way up in the air and dangles you there until you drop.

  146. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.
     
    Apparently, Captain Cook skipped the swim class and yet he (almost) sailed around the world without knowing how to swim.

    One bold warrior advanced on Cook and struck him with his pahoa (dagger). In retaliation Cook drew a tiny pistol lightly loaded with shot and fired at the warrior. His bullets spent themselves on the straw armor and fell harmlessly to the ground. The Hawaiians went wild. Lieutenant Molesworth Phillips, in charge of the nine mariners, began a withering fire; Cook killed two natives.

    Overpowered by sheer numbers, the sailors headed for boats standing offshore, while Lieutenant Phillips lay wounded. It is believed that Captain Cook stood helplessly in knee-deep water instead of making for the boats because he could not swim. Hopelessly surrounded, he was knocked on the head, then countless warriors passed a knife around and hacked and mutilated his lifeless body. A sad Lieutenant King lamented in his diary, “Thus fell our great and excellent commander.” https://www.moon.com/travel/arts-culture/hawaiian-history-how-captain-cook-met-his-end/#:~:text=It%20is%20believed%20that%20Captain,and%20mutilated%20his%20lifeless%20body.
     

    Replies: @tyrone

    “Thus fell our great and excellent commander.”

    And kill haole day was born!

  147. Come now , let’s not miss an opportunity to mention president Potato head’s stint as an inner city life -guard ……the blonde leg hair and corn pop and the rusty razors ,it’s all gold!

  148. Steve,
    You are offering solutions to problems based on a data driven assessment of risks and losses. Child drowning is a far bigger problem than killing by police, and it is a problem with a straightforward solution. Largely, however, the focus is in niche problems like the handful of unarmed people killed by police rather than the thousands who drown.

    Usually, this indicates people aren’t really interested in solutions. Nonetheless, in Pittsburgh a relatively new magnet YMCA with a grade A swim program https://www.pittsburghymca.org/locations/thelma-lovette-ymca is located in the middle of the blackest neighborhood of the city.

  149. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    I liked that they bombed some guy's house in Iraqi Kurdistan in order to strike at "the Israelis". Because if they were to ACTUALLY strike at Israel, Israel would nuke them.

    Ayatollahs have a domestic political problem, which is that they just suffered a big domestic terrorist attack and intelligence failure. Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption. Usually Iran prefers to act thru its proxies so it can say it dindu nuffin. But in this case they were backed into a corner and had to be seen to act. So they chose to bomb relatively friendly or helpless countries where there would not be a big backlash. Yeah, the Pakistanis are pissed but they will get over it in a few days.

    Replies: @Anon, @tyrone

    Not as big as 9/11 but pretty big (90 people dead). So they have to be seen as doing SOMETHING for domestic political consumption.

    HOW DARE THEY! don’t they know that privilege is reserved for only one country ….oh, excuse me , two.

  150. @Steve Sailer
    @Twinkie

    My son went to a fine high school a few miles from Caltech, where some of the parents had gone to Caltech or worked at JPL. At the graduations ceremony, several students were announced to have won the equivalent of National Merit Scholar for Hispanics, but none of them had been known as Hispanic to their classmates. They all had names like Miriam Cabot-Wang, but their Abuela Goldfarb from Buenos Aires gotten them in to the Hispanic category.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    their Abuela Goldfarb from Buenos Aires

    Funny.

    several students were announced to have won the equivalent of National Merit Scholar for Hispanics, but none of them had been known as Hispanic to their classmates. They all had names like Miriam Cabot-Wang

    We’ve all seen this with our lying eyes, but Mr. Unz has a Hispano-philia agenda, so, those Caltech “Hispanics” all look like the ladies who clean my house to him. And he attributes those rising Hispanic figures at elite institutions, not to gaming the affirmative action system*, but to sort of a Flynn effect for Hispanics in America (despite all evidences to the contrary, i.e. Hispanic economic and educational progress halts or even reverses after the second generation in the U.S.).

    *Again, “Hispanic” is a far more nebulous and porous category (it’s not even racial), so it’s more difficult to challenge, and gaming it also begets much less blowback feigning than being black when discovered. And that doesn’t even include the likely overrepresentation of the elite fraction of those with genuine Latin origin. For example, lately the actor Pedro Pascal is in everything, including HBO’s The Last of Us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pascal

    José Pedro Balmaceda Pascal was born on April 2, 1975, in Santiago, Chile[4] to child psychologist Verónica Pascal Ureta and fertility doctor José Balmaceda Riera.[5][6] His paternal grandmother was born in Palma de Mallorca, Spain.[7] He has an older sister named Javiera,[8] a younger brother named Nicolás,[9] and a younger sister named Lux, who is an actress and transgender activist.[10][11] Pascal’s mother was the cousin of Andrés Pascal Allende, the nephew of socialist Chilean President Salvador Allende (through his sister Laura). Pascal Allende was an early leader of the Movement of the Revolutionary Left, a militant far-left organization.[12]

    Nine months after his birth, his family sought refuge in the Venezuelan embassy in Santiago, and later received political asylum in Denmark.[13][14] Ultimately, the family moved to the United States, where Pascal was raised in San Antonio, Texas,[15] until they relocated to Orange County, California, when he was 11 years old.[14] By the time he was eight years old, his family regularly visited Chile to see his 34 cousins.[16]


    Pascal, of course, plays a Hispanic or a white (or even vaguely Middle Eastern) as the need of the role dictates.

  151. @J.Ross
    OT -- Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
    https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1747735230775951834

    Replies: @Thomm, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad

    OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.

    “Transgender” is just a new faddish subset of “mentally-ill” so seeing more of these whack jobs in the massacre biz is utterly unsurprising.

    And since “trans” means “not”, this is some mentally-ill dude which is the cohort that dominates the massacre biz.

  152. @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold. The shore is also mostly rocky rather than sandy. On a hot day mobs of people descend on the handful of groomed beaches in Vancouver. Yuck.

    Inland there are some lakes suitable for swimming but they’re pretty cold too.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold….

    Desolation Sound.

    (In the summer of course, not now.)

  153. @Jack D
    No one quite seems to know how it came to be that swim requirements for American colleges were once very widespread (and still exist in a few schools). What does swimming have to do with college education? Do such requirements exist in other countries?

    In a lot of schools, there is a campus legend about a wealthy donor who lost a child on the Titanic or something and made a donation on the condition that all graduates had to be taught to swim. These legends are false as urban legends often are.

    The best guess appears to be that it had something to do with military service. Graduates could expect to fight (and often die) as officers in any military conflict, including as naval officers so it made sense to prepare them.

    https://www.hercampus.com/life/college-swim-test/#:~:text=In%201977%2C%20around%2042%25%20of,academies%20such%20as%20West%20Point.

    MIT still has a swim requirement but it can be fulfilled in one of two ways - one is to actually demonstrate that you can swim 100 meters (one round trip in MIT's Olympic pool). The other is to take a beginning swim course. Given the stats, this is probably a good idea.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @Corn, @Frau Katze, @hhsiii

    I had to pass a swim test at the University of North Carolina. Class of ‘86. I think the myth was too many Tar Heels had drowned in WWI or II. My mother’s cousin probably did drown. Or freeze to death. He was a Lt in a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing. James May. He’s on the memorial to the missing down in Battery Park.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @hhsiii

    My mistake. It’s called the East Coast Memorial. For servicemen who died in the Atlantic.

    , @Jack D
    @hhsiii


    In a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing.
     
    More likely it crashed into the ocean and broke into a million pieces and he was killed on impact. If he was lucky.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @Ralph L
    @hhsiii

    A swimming test was the quickest of our 3 required phys ed choices. I checked it off Spring of senior year (the other 2 on intramural teams freshman year), but a friend did it, horseback riding, and something else between exams and graduation.

  154. @duncsbaby
    @bomag

    Reading over the list again I'm struck by the fact that middle-AGED people are somehow privileged now. If you're lucky enough to make it into your 40's, you are a member of the ruling class, I guess.
    Of course my point is a minor complaint compared to the first entry: White people.
    It's not that difficult to figure out, they hate white people.

    Replies: @bomag

    Yeah, the whole notion of living a quiet, normal life now being something evil.

    And “Christian” is such a shark-jumping entry: a category anyone is free to join; reliably trashed by today’s dominant media culture.

    • Agree: Renard
  155. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I had to pass a swim test at the University of North Carolina. Class of ‘86. I think the myth was too many Tar Heels had drowned in WWI or II. My mother’s cousin probably did drown. Or freeze to death. He was a Lt in a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing. James May. He’s on the memorial to the missing down in Battery Park.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jack D, @Ralph L

    My mistake. It’s called the East Coast Memorial. For servicemen who died in the Atlantic.

  156. @Gilbert Ratchet
    From the Dartmouth Alumni Magazine late last year:

    66 New Reasons to Love Dartmouth: Let the lovefest begin!

    8. One Less Splash for Everyone
    Faculty—it was their call—voted to eliminate the swim test in 2022. Enacted more than a century ago to help students prepare for military service, the 50-yard test was suspended during the pandemic and then deemed unfair to the increasing number of students who arrive with limited swimming skills.
     
    Needless to say, this isn't their attitude towards people who arrive with "limited English-language skills" or "limited executive functioning" (of which there are a surprising number at Dartmouth).

    Replies: @John Pepple

    … the 50-yard test was suspended during the pandemic and then deemed unfair to the increasing number of students who arrive with limited swimming skills.

    This is the moronic way that the woke think, namely that being fair is more important than ensuring that students have an important skill.

  157. @JohnnyWalker123
    More data.

    https://twitter.com/CyberPunkCortes/status/1747778454336999613

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res

    What the hell happened in 1990 to cause that exponential growth in healthcare administration?

    Wasn’t that the dawn of the “Managed Care” era, which turned out to mean “MANAGED ᶜᵃᵣᵉ”?

  158. @JohnnyWalker123
    Immigration is driving down the labor force participation rate.

    https://twitter.com/VBierschwale/status/1747699745500418396

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    These are really good tweets/Xs/xweets, but it took me several minutes to see why.

    Virgil Bierschwale needs a catchy headline writer.

    E.g., “South Park vindicated: They took our yobs!

  159. @Frau Katze
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold. The shore is also mostly rocky rather than sandy. On a hot day mobs of people descend on the handful of groomed beaches in Vancouver. Yuck.

    Inland there are some lakes suitable for swimming but they’re pretty cold too.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Twinkie

    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold.

    Nothing in coastal BC is that cold.

    Have you been to the interior of the U.S. (say, Iowa) or the Northeast (say, New Hampshire), let alone the Canadian interior?

    To me, British Columbia – like Washington State in the US – has a mild (and variegated) climate and exceptionally beautiful nature. I’d live in those places but for the people. 😉

    Alas, people first, ideas second, hardware third. So, I’ll probably end up retiring (fully) to Wyoming or Tennessee, unless my wife and I decide to hunker down fully in West Virginia where I own a farmhouse.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Bill P
    @Twinkie

    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid. The maritime influence keeps the temperature from going too low in the west, but the humidity has as insidious effect where the cold seeps down to the bone.

    The saltchuck is never warm enough for swimming, either, but some people still do it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  160. @Bill P
    @Buzz Mohawk


    As for rowing, my niece was offered a rowing scholarship to a well-known, private university and turned it down. She joined a traveling Renaissance fair instead. Alas, she’s a hippy girl just like her mother/my sister.
     
    Good for her. She'll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.

    My feeling is that rowing is not the best activity for the best-looking body or posture. All hunched over, pulling and pulling with your shoulders and back all the time…
     
    This is why I wouldn't recommend a rowing machine for non-rowers. When rowing a shell you have to sit upright to keep your oar in the water without lifting your arms above your shoulders and losing leverage. Rowing machines just have a chain you pull, so there's nothing correcting technique which leads most people to do the hunched over thing.

    The one thing rowing (sweeping rather than sculling) can do to one's physique is cause muscular asymmetry, but otherwise it is relatively low-impact and healthy so long as one follows proper technique. It can lead to massive thighs in people who genetically put on muscle there (like me -- my thighs got huge during rowing season), but it also develops the back (lats especially), shoulders and biceps.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    She’ll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.

    Renaissance Fairs typically are an excuse to cosplay fantasy novels. They have nothing to do with how our ancestors actually lived or thought. The only thing this woman is going to learn is what blend of marijuana she likes best and what sexual partners she should avoid in the future. The rowers I knew in college were generally a pretty happy intelligent bunch, well adjusted, liked to have a good time and have a great alumni network. She’s made a horrible mistake.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Peter Akuleyev


    The rowers I knew in college were generally a pretty happy intelligent bunch, well adjusted, liked to have a good time and have a great alumni network.
     
    And I bet they're doing great in corporate management these days, right? All in for the team, dependable, willing to go the extra mile...

    It would be brilliant if every person on earth were just like that.

    Actually, I'm being a little hard on rowers here. The one I was closest to (he was in UW class of '96 national champion men's eight) may be in corporate management but he prefers working with his hands.

    She’s made a horrible mistake.
     
    Only if she's cut out for rowing. Clearly she isn't.

    Just out of curiosity, do you have any kids?
  161. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Bill P


    She’ll grow more as a woman enacting history than she would living the mindless, joyless Spartan lifestyle of a collegiate rower.
     
    Renaissance Fairs typically are an excuse to cosplay fantasy novels. They have nothing to do with how our ancestors actually lived or thought. The only thing this woman is going to learn is what blend of marijuana she likes best and what sexual partners she should avoid in the future. The rowers I knew in college were generally a pretty happy intelligent bunch, well adjusted, liked to have a good time and have a great alumni network. She's made a horrible mistake.

    Replies: @Bill P

    The rowers I knew in college were generally a pretty happy intelligent bunch, well adjusted, liked to have a good time and have a great alumni network.

    And I bet they’re doing great in corporate management these days, right? All in for the team, dependable, willing to go the extra mile…

    It would be brilliant if every person on earth were just like that.

    Actually, I’m being a little hard on rowers here. The one I was closest to (he was in UW class of ’96 national champion men’s eight) may be in corporate management but he prefers working with his hands.

    She’s made a horrible mistake.

    Only if she’s cut out for rowing. Clearly she isn’t.

    Just out of curiosity, do you have any kids?

  162. @Muggles
    @rienzi


    It always struck me as odd that someone who couldn’t swim would join the Navy.
     
    According to nearly every history book I've read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few "pools" existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.

    I think some living in warm climates or the Mediterranean area did learn as children at beaches, but even then not meany. Bathing was thought to be unhealthy (and water often polluted with sewage) so swimming just wasn't done. Females were especially unlikely to swim as not wearing bulky clothes to keep men from seeing their bodies was considered immoral or provocative.

    Of course deep ocean sailors didn't swim, but that likely wouldn't do much good if wooden ships sank. A few sailors did learn but it was rare.

    Replies: @Corn

    According to nearly every history book I’ve read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few “pools” existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.

    Twenty some years ago my parents vacationed in Ireland. Dad’s mom was an Irish immigrant so it was sort of a vacation/“find your roots” type trip. Dad met cousins over there, some of whom worked on fishing boats.

    One cousin mentioned a small shrine or prayer said in memory of fishermen who drowned, and said few Irish fishermen could swim, even in the days before life vests.

    As you said, the waters of Galway Bay and that portion of the Atlantic were probably quite chilly, and the cousin implied there was a sort of fatalism at play. “If man was meant to swim, he’d have fins instead of feet.”

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Corn

    there was a sort of fatalism at play

    Get it over with quickly, with less time to panic, and how many Hail Marys do you really need?

  163. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I had to pass a swim test at the University of North Carolina. Class of ‘86. I think the myth was too many Tar Heels had drowned in WWI or II. My mother’s cousin probably did drown. Or freeze to death. He was a Lt in a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing. James May. He’s on the memorial to the missing down in Battery Park.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jack D, @Ralph L

    In a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing.

    More likely it crashed into the ocean and broke into a million pieces and he was killed on impact. If he was lucky.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    Yeah, probably right.

    He was a bombardier, would have been a senior in college. He was in the army air corp but Chapel Hill had a navy pre-flight school. George Bush and Gerald Ford both attended. Kinda far from the ocean.

  164. @Steve Sailer
    @Frau Katze

    American colleges are more all-encompassing full-service institutions than anything abroad other than maybe Oxford and Cambridge, and even those winners of The Big One only compete in a few sports. If Oxford and Cambridge are so great, how come there isn't an Oxford-Cambridge soccer match at Wembley in front of 80,000 screaming alumni each year? Huh?

    German colleges used to be major social institutions (e.g., "The Student Prince" was the biggest Broadway smash of some year like 1923), but a series of unfortunate events in the first half of the 20th Century reduced them in scope and prestige.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jack D

    The ending of the Student Prince is more 1923 than 2023. When forced to choose between marrying a princess that he doesn’t love and a barmaid whom he does, he does his duty and marries the princess. But not before stopping in Heidelberg and singing a farewell duet. In the 2024 remake the barmaid would be Muslim and he would marry her for sure.

    Mark Twain wrote an interesting piece about the dueling fraternities of Heidelberg. It really was a unique subculture if an insane form of fencing. They wore goggles so they wouldn’t become blinded but otherwise you were SUPPOSED to stand there and take hits on your face.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    W.E.B DuBois loved his student days in 1890s Germany. I think he touched on the filling, too. I think it’s in the early part of Col Blimp too.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  165. @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    Really? I’d sure like to see what all these “Hispanic” Americans actually look like and who they are.
     
    Mr. Unz and I had a debate about this in one of his threads (you know his Hispano-philia) in context of the admissions at Caltech. I argued - as did commenter res as well as Chuck from Human Varieties - that "Hispanics" at elite institutions such as Caltech are likely more admixed with whites than ordinary Hispanics in this country: https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

    Unz insisted that a quick look at the "pictures" of Caltech seemed to indicate to him that Caltech Hispanics looked Mestizo like other Hispanics. At this point, res provided a photograph of a Hispanic student group at Caltech. I identified the names as follows:


    There are 7 students on that page, to which commenter “res” linked. They are (surnames in bold):

    Sarah Lucia BARRETT
    Christian ZAPATA-SANIN
    Stephanie CORTEZ
    Joaquine GOMEZ
    Sydney RICHARDSON
    Tea FRIEDMAN-SUSSKIND
    Camila BUITRAGO

    Yeah, “Barrett,” “Sanin,” “Richardson,” and “Friedman-Susskind.” Very Hispanic/Amerindian, those names. LOL. Do I even need to note that Sanin, Friedman/Susskind are very common Jewish names? So, out of 7, two have Anglo surnames, two have Jewish surnames, and two with Spanish surnames (Stephanie and Joaquin) are about the whitest-skinned Hispanics. And the remaining one, Carmila, doesn’t exactly look Amerindian much either.
     

    Chuck, of course, helpfully pointed out the data that the presence of European ancestry resulted in about +1.1 SD in IQ.

    As you can imagine, "Hispanic" is a very porous category. I personally know young people who are mostly European in ancestry who identified as "Hispanic" because they had Spanish surnamed ancestors somewhere in the tree and applied as such to universities.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Steve Sailer, @Frau Katze

    “Hispanic” is a very porous category

    It’s puzzling to me. If it’s meant to apply to natives from Mexico and further south it should be stated explicitly.

    Otherwise you get people of 100% European ancestry latching on to an affirmative action slot just because they’ve got Spanish or Portuguese ancestry.

    I believe “mestizo” means mixed native and white (analogous to the French Métis in Canada).

    • Replies: @res
    @Frau Katze

    One of the ironies of affirmative action for Hispanics at elite colleges (and other elite settings, like Hollywood) is how many have significant Spanish ancestry. Compared to the Spanish the British were choir boys in terms of dealing with the Amerindians. With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men (pro tip: what is an easy way to recognize the difference between conquerors and colonizers?).

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Mike Tre

  166. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold.
     
    Nothing in coastal BC is that cold.

    Have you been to the interior of the U.S. (say, Iowa) or the Northeast (say, New Hampshire), let alone the Canadian interior?

    To me, British Columbia - like Washington State in the US - has a mild (and variegated) climate and exceptionally beautiful nature. I'd live in those places but for the people. ;)

    Alas, people first, ideas second, hardware third. So, I'll probably end up retiring (fully) to Wyoming or Tennessee, unless my wife and I decide to hunker down fully in West Virginia where I own a farmhouse.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P

    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.
     
    Still not that cold.

    https://youtu.be/ggvtaihOo0M?si=9edHJM8R5j4Tt0Bh

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  167. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    I had to pass a swim test at the University of North Carolina. Class of ‘86. I think the myth was too many Tar Heels had drowned in WWI or II. My mother’s cousin probably did drown. Or freeze to death. He was a Lt in a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing. James May. He’s on the memorial to the missing down in Battery Park.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jack D, @Ralph L

    A swimming test was the quickest of our 3 required phys ed choices. I checked it off Spring of senior year (the other 2 on intramural teams freshman year), but a friend did it, horseback riding, and something else between exams and graduation.

  168. @Corn
    @Muggles


    According to nearly every history book I’ve read, until modern times almost no one could swim, including practically every sailor.

    Of course few “pools” existing unless you were a Roman noble. Lake and ocean swimming is cold, and few wanted to do it voluntarily.
     
    Twenty some years ago my parents vacationed in Ireland. Dad’s mom was an Irish immigrant so it was sort of a vacation/“find your roots” type trip. Dad met cousins over there, some of whom worked on fishing boats.

    One cousin mentioned a small shrine or prayer said in memory of fishermen who drowned, and said few Irish fishermen could swim, even in the days before life vests.

    As you said, the waters of Galway Bay and that portion of the Atlantic were probably quite chilly, and the cousin implied there was a sort of fatalism at play. “If man was meant to swim, he’d have fins instead of feet.”

    Replies: @Ralph L

    there was a sort of fatalism at play

    Get it over with quickly, with less time to panic, and how many Hail Marys do you really need?

  169. @JohnnyWalker123
    More data.

    https://twitter.com/CyberPunkCortes/status/1747778454336999613

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res

    Interesting. Here is some discussion of that.
    https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-management/expert-forum-rise-and-rise-healthcare-administrator

    I don’t think they really gave an answer though. And that is such a dramatic trend change it calls out for a reason.

    It might be helpful to look at a logarithmic y axis plot of the actual numbers (easier to compare growth rates over time). Part of the effect is probably administrators starting from a low base. The growth in administrators makes it hard to see what really happened with physicians (e.g. looks like a decent bump in in 1981 and from 1993-1995).

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @res

    At first, I thought that was annual growth, not cumulative. Still Yuge.

    The big 1920s birth cohort began hitting old age in the '80s, and there was so much more that could safely be done for old people--bypasses, lens implants (which used to require a hospital stay), new hips--than in earlier years, with Medicare/Medicaid usually footing the mile-long bill. All that smoking and drinking meant they needed it. The much smaller '30s cohort may have slowed medical inflation and administration growth in the 2000s. I wonder what effect the Boomers' old age will have on the medical business when the federal govt. goes bust.

    , @Guest007
    @res

    Many of the administrators are there to reduce the administrative load on the physicians. It pays for a hospital with a large oncology/radiation oncology program to assigned a low level administrator to each physician to keep the paperwork straight. That way the hospital gets paid more and the physician can see more patients.

    Think of the opposite in corporate Americans where professional staff acts as their own admin staff and spend a lot of time doing administrative tasks.

    , @Twinkie
    @res

    In this, medicine mirrors what’s been going on in higher education - massive growth in administration relative to the actual practitioners of the core mission.

    https://journals.lww.com/em-news/Fulltext/2022/01000/Special_Report__U_S__Health_Care_Administrative.6.aspx


    Health insurers and health care providers in the United States spent approximately $812 billion on administration in 2017, amounting to $2497 per capita (34.2% of national health expenditures) versus $551 per capita (17.0%) in Canada, according to a study published in 2020 by David Himmelstein, MD, and Stephanie Woolhandler, MD, distinguished professors at the School of Urban Public Health at Hunter College and the founders of Physicians for a National Health Program, which advocates for single-payer health insurance in the United States. (Ann Intern Med. 2020;172[2]:134.)

    hat includes $844 versus $146 for insurers' overhead; $933 versus $196 for hospital administration; $255 versus $123 for nursing home, home care, and hospice administration; and $465 versus $87 for physicians' insurance-related costs.

    They noted that health spending as a share of gross domestic product (GDP) was virtually identical in the two nations in 1970: 6.2 percent in the United States and 6.4 percent in Canada. U.S. costs by 2017 had reached 17.9 percent of GDP while Canada's were 11.3 percent.

    A lot of those costs can be attributed to administrative positions. The number of new hospital administrators has exploded in recent years. Five decades ago, the U.S. and Canadian health care systems reported similar numbers of administrative personnel: 43.8 persons per 10,000 population in the United States versus 40.8 persons per 10,000 population in Canada. That number had tripled in the United States by 2017, to 129.7 per 10,000 population, while in Canada it had merely doubled, to 88.9 per 10,000 population.

    “The 40.8 per 10,000 population difference in administrative personnel accounted for 56% of the difference in the delivery system workforce, suggesting that administrative work accounts for a substantial share of differences in provider costs (and prices),” Drs. Himmelstein and Woolhandler wrote.
     

    Replies: @res

  170. @Twinkie
    @Bill Jones

    That letter was authored and sent by the head of DIE ("Chief Diversity Officer") at Johns Hopkins Hospital (one guess as to race): https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/johns-hopkins-hospitals-dei-chief-labels-whites-males-and-christians-privileged-in-letter-to-staff/

    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.

    Replies: @res

    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.

    What do you want to bet her primary regret is she was not able to get away with it?

    Any chance of getting a copy of the apology? I suspect that would be even more interesting. You can learn a lot from people’s apologies for things they really did mean.

    Here is what I found.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962519/Johns-Hopkins-dean-apologizes-staff-DEI.html

    From the dean (BTW, a great typo there).

    Theodore L. DeWeese, the Dead of the Medical Faculty, and Kevin W. Sowers, the President of Johns Hopkins Health System, wrote: ‘Every month, the Johns Hopkins Medicine Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Health Equity distributes a newsletter from JHM’s chief diversity officer, Dr. Sherita Golden.

    ‘Regrettably, the January edition of this newsletter, which was distributed to all Johns Hopkins Medicine employees yesterday, included a definition of privilege that runs counter to the values of our institution, and our mission and commitment to serve everyone equally.

    ‘Dr Golden heard the feedback from our community, sincerely apologized, and retracted the definition. We fully support and appreciate her decision to do so, and as leaders of Johns Hopkins Medicine, we too repudiate this language.’

    From her. Image of the full message there.

    After the post went viral on Twitter, Golden issued an apology to staff.

    ‘The newsletter included a definition of the word privilege which, upon reflection, I deeply regret. The intent of the newsletter is to inform and support an inclusive community at Hopkins, but the language of this definition clearly did not meet that goal.

    ‘In fact, because it was overly simplistic and poorly worded, it had the opposite effect.’

    ‘I retract and disavow the definition I shared and I am sorry.’

    Would be interesting to see her subsequent monthly newsletters.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @res

    The lovely Sherita:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Sherita_Hill_Golden_for_SEIU_775_Benefits_Group.jpg/800px-Sherita_Hill_Golden_for_SEIU_775_Benefits_Group.jpg

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  171. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    "Hispanic” is a very porous category
     
    It’s puzzling to me. If it’s meant to apply to natives from Mexico and further south it should be stated explicitly.

    Otherwise you get people of 100% European ancestry latching on to an affirmative action slot just because they’ve got Spanish or Portuguese ancestry.

    I believe “mestizo” means mixed native and white (analogous to the French Métis in Canada).

    Replies: @res

    One of the ironies of affirmative action for Hispanics at elite colleges (and other elite settings, like Hollywood) is how many have significant Spanish ancestry. Compared to the Spanish the British were choir boys in terms of dealing with the Amerindians. With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men (pro tip: what is an easy way to recognize the difference between conquerors and colonizers?).

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @res


    With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men.
     
    I had forgotten about that. That must explain why there’s so many mestizos.

    Replies: @Guest007

    , @Mike Tre
    @res

    Height.

  172. @res
    @Frau Katze

    One of the ironies of affirmative action for Hispanics at elite colleges (and other elite settings, like Hollywood) is how many have significant Spanish ancestry. Compared to the Spanish the British were choir boys in terms of dealing with the Amerindians. With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men (pro tip: what is an easy way to recognize the difference between conquerors and colonizers?).

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Mike Tre

    With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men.

    I had forgotten about that. That must explain why there’s so many mestizos.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Frau Katze

    It also happened with the French in North America.

  173. @res
    @Twinkie


    She has since apologized and retracted the letter.
     
    What do you want to bet her primary regret is she was not able to get away with it?

    Any chance of getting a copy of the apology? I suspect that would be even more interesting. You can learn a lot from people's apologies for things they really did mean.

    Here is what I found.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12962519/Johns-Hopkins-dean-apologizes-staff-DEI.html

    From the dean (BTW, a great typo there).

    Theodore L. DeWeese, the Dead of the Medical Faculty, and Kevin W. Sowers, the President of Johns Hopkins Health System, wrote: 'Every month, the Johns Hopkins Medicine Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Health Equity distributes a newsletter from JHM's chief diversity officer, Dr. Sherita Golden.

    'Regrettably, the January edition of this newsletter, which was distributed to all Johns Hopkins Medicine employees yesterday, included a definition of privilege that runs counter to the values of our institution, and our mission and commitment to serve everyone equally.

    'Dr Golden heard the feedback from our community, sincerely apologized, and retracted the definition. We fully support and appreciate her decision to do so, and as leaders of Johns Hopkins Medicine, we too repudiate this language.'
     
    From her. Image of the full message there.

    After the post went viral on Twitter, Golden issued an apology to staff.

    'The newsletter included a definition of the word privilege which, upon reflection, I deeply regret. The intent of the newsletter is to inform and support an inclusive community at Hopkins, but the language of this definition clearly did not meet that goal.

    'In fact, because it was overly simplistic and poorly worded, it had the opposite effect.'

    'I retract and disavow the definition I shared and I am sorry.'

     

    Would be interesting to see her subsequent monthly newsletters.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The lovely Sherita:

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jim Don Bob

    She reminds me of a Muppet, like a black Miss Piggy .

  174. @Frau Katze
    @res


    With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men.
     
    I had forgotten about that. That must explain why there’s so many mestizos.

    Replies: @Guest007

    It also happened with the French in North America.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
  175. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting. Here is some discussion of that.
    https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-management/expert-forum-rise-and-rise-healthcare-administrator

    https://caas.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/sites/insight/files/inline-images/Chart.jpg

    I don't think they really gave an answer though. And that is such a dramatic trend change it calls out for a reason.

    It might be helpful to look at a logarithmic y axis plot of the actual numbers (easier to compare growth rates over time). Part of the effect is probably administrators starting from a low base. The growth in administrators makes it hard to see what really happened with physicians (e.g. looks like a decent bump in in 1981 and from 1993-1995).

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Guest007, @Twinkie

    At first, I thought that was annual growth, not cumulative. Still Yuge.

    The big 1920s birth cohort began hitting old age in the ’80s, and there was so much more that could safely be done for old people–bypasses, lens implants (which used to require a hospital stay), new hips–than in earlier years, with Medicare/Medicaid usually footing the mile-long bill. All that smoking and drinking meant they needed it. The much smaller ’30s cohort may have slowed medical inflation and administration growth in the 2000s. I wonder what effect the Boomers’ old age will have on the medical business when the federal govt. goes bust.

  176. @Jack D
    @hhsiii


    In a B-17 flying from Newfoundland to Greenland that went missing.
     
    More likely it crashed into the ocean and broke into a million pieces and he was killed on impact. If he was lucky.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Yeah, probably right.

    He was a bombardier, would have been a senior in college. He was in the army air corp but Chapel Hill had a navy pre-flight school. George Bush and Gerald Ford both attended. Kinda far from the ocean.

  177. @Guest007
    @Muggles

    If one saw no evidence, one did not work very hard. And at a young age, there is the issue of body fat content for swimming.


    "Adjusted bone density at various skeletal sites was 4.5-16.1% higher for black than for white men and was 1.2-7.3% higher for black than for white women."

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9024231/

    Replies: @Muggles

    Not to nitpick on this (but who doesn’t love that?) I’m not convinced that “bone density” = bone weight, even given same length.

    What does “adjusted bone density” mean in this context?

    Also, how about related muscle mass to bone density? Generally blacks (young men) have higher rates of speed than others as in proven in Olympic track sports. So even if density (adjusted?) = weight, this may be compensated for by more muscle mass or longer fibers, twitch rates, etc.

    If blacks were “too heavy” in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?

    I think the physiology of swimming is more complicated than this. (I could be wrong, but this bone weight excuse seems simplistic).

    As someone else mentioned body fat (which black females may have more of?) while that might help in flotation, swimming is far more than that. People people who can float also drown.

    Basic swimming can be done by a wide variety of body types, Though long distance, fast or endurance swimming probably takes specific muscle development and a lot of technique.

    Nearly all animals can swim and most humans can learn, if they don’t panic and stay sober, are uninjured, etc.

    Since a lot of Negroes do swim, even if they have “heavier bones” that isn’t a determining factor.

    There are people of all races who “can’t swim” but that is more likely due to lack of any kind of teaching or taking the time to find a pool and learn the basics. Some people are afraid of water and won’t learn. If you panic in water you may well drown even if you could swim and float.

    I can be wrong about this. But it seems more like a folk myth than science.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Muggles

    According to Wikipedia bone density is a concern mostly in elderly women but also some older men. A condition called osteoporosis can develop, making the bones prone to fractures.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_density

    , @kaganovitch
    @Muggles


    If blacks were “too heavy” in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?
     
    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate, to move forward. The same principle applies to boats, the deeper they sit in the water, the more energy they need to generate to move forward.(Boats with a deep keel,may be advantaged in stability and thus have countervailing advantage) This explains why Blacks are vanishingly rare at the highest levels of swimming competition. They are, again Ceteris Paribus, at a physical disadvantage.

    Replies: @Muggles

  178. @res
    @Frau Katze

    One of the ironies of affirmative action for Hispanics at elite colleges (and other elite settings, like Hollywood) is how many have significant Spanish ancestry. Compared to the Spanish the British were choir boys in terms of dealing with the Amerindians. With the notable exception of the Spanish choosing to interbreed because women did not come over with the men (pro tip: what is an easy way to recognize the difference between conquerors and colonizers?).

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Mike Tre

    Height.

  179. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    The Pacific off the coast of BC is cold.
     
    Nothing in coastal BC is that cold.

    Have you been to the interior of the U.S. (say, Iowa) or the Northeast (say, New Hampshire), let alone the Canadian interior?

    To me, British Columbia - like Washington State in the US - has a mild (and variegated) climate and exceptionally beautiful nature. I'd live in those places but for the people. ;)

    Alas, people first, ideas second, hardware third. So, I'll probably end up retiring (fully) to Wyoming or Tennessee, unless my wife and I decide to hunker down fully in West Virginia where I own a farmhouse.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P

    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid. The maritime influence keeps the temperature from going too low in the west, but the humidity has as insidious effect where the cold seeps down to the bone.

    The saltchuck is never warm enough for swimming, either, but some people still do it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid.
     
    Not as cold as the White Mountains in NH.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  180. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    The ending of the Student Prince is more 1923 than 2023. When forced to choose between marrying a princess that he doesn't love and a barmaid whom he does, he does his duty and marries the princess. But not before stopping in Heidelberg and singing a farewell duet. In the 2024 remake the barmaid would be Muslim and he would marry her for sure.

    Mark Twain wrote an interesting piece about the dueling fraternities of Heidelberg. It really was a unique subculture if an insane form of fencing. They wore goggles so they wouldn't become blinded but otherwise you were SUPPOSED to stand there and take hits on your face.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    W.E.B DuBois loved his student days in 1890s Germany. I think he touched on the filling, too. I think it’s in the early part of Col Blimp too.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @hhsiii

    Dueling, not filling. Sheesh.

  181. @Muggles
    @Guest007

    Not to nitpick on this (but who doesn't love that?) I'm not convinced that "bone density" = bone weight, even given same length.

    What does "adjusted bone density" mean in this context?

    Also, how about related muscle mass to bone density? Generally blacks (young men) have higher rates of speed than others as in proven in Olympic track sports. So even if density (adjusted?) = weight, this may be compensated for by more muscle mass or longer fibers, twitch rates, etc.

    If blacks were "too heavy" in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?

    I think the physiology of swimming is more complicated than this. (I could be wrong, but this bone weight excuse seems simplistic).

    As someone else mentioned body fat (which black females may have more of?) while that might help in flotation, swimming is far more than that. People people who can float also drown.

    Basic swimming can be done by a wide variety of body types, Though long distance, fast or endurance swimming probably takes specific muscle development and a lot of technique.

    Nearly all animals can swim and most humans can learn, if they don't panic and stay sober, are uninjured, etc.

    Since a lot of Negroes do swim, even if they have "heavier bones" that isn't a determining factor.

    There are people of all races who "can't swim" but that is more likely due to lack of any kind of teaching or taking the time to find a pool and learn the basics. Some people are afraid of water and won't learn. If you panic in water you may well drown even if you could swim and float.

    I can be wrong about this. But it seems more like a folk myth than science.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @kaganovitch

    According to Wikipedia bone density is a concern mostly in elderly women but also some older men. A condition called osteoporosis can develop, making the bones prone to fractures.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_density

  182. Anon[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Mildly OT, but I think this needs to be explicitly highlighted and pointed out.....

    Donald Trump despite all his legal ordeals and despite his obvious ridiculosity, still remains a major player in the fake election fake sweepstakes.

    Why? Everybody despises him, everyone knows he's a clown. So, ...WHY is he still such a front runner?

    It is because White America is trying to tell the ruling class: We HATE You. We hate you with every fiber of our being, and we know perfectly well that you hate us back, but that is the whole point.

    We HATE you.

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    WE *HATE* YOU.

    It's not a rhet0rical ploy, it is now an actual, French-Revolution type of thing, a Tom Paine kind of thing.

    WE FUCKING HATE YOU.

    Did you hear us?

    WE HATE YOU.

    Get it loud and clear. Just in case you missed it...

    WE HATE YOU.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Jim Don Bob, @CalCooledge, @Anon

    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.

    In other words, instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back, they just want a giant vulgar middle finger put up to the ruling class they expect will keep ruling forever, with them as the eternal oppressed/victim class.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Anon

    Remain in Mexico

    A North American Trade Agreement that actually sends jobs to Mexico instead of to China as iSteve pointed out.

    Low gasoline prices.

    No new foreign wars.

    The Abraham Accords.

    That thing to make insulin for diabetic persons more affordable.

    Judges who rule on the law rather than feelz.

    Low inflation and low unemployment.

    Brother-man, give me another helping of that not actually fighting back and instead offering a giant vulger middle finger.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Anon


    instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back
     
    Ron DeSantis? Nikki Haley? Mitt Romney?
  183. @bomag
    @Ennui


    All of this is happening because it is allowed to happen by the majority. That’s where the blame begins and ends.
     
    Majorities are often fractious and hacked by a dedicated minority. See Bolsheviks, et al.

    Replies: @Ennui

    Americans can be quite unified when they want to be, such as supporting a war against a country that didn’t attack us in order to defend two countries that either knew about it or elements of who were involved.

  184. @hhsiii
    @Jack D

    W.E.B DuBois loved his student days in 1890s Germany. I think he touched on the filling, too. I think it’s in the early part of Col Blimp too.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Dueling, not filling. Sheesh.

  185. I grew up on the res. And lived most of my life on or next to it. Drowning on the res in my experience generally involves work, (fishing), alcohol, suicide, add in bad weather and you can turn the best swimmers into statistics. One of my uncles drowned during the spring salmon run. He was a great swimmer but the river was high and he’d been at it too many days in a row not coming home until well after dark cold and wet.

    We didn’t find his body for over a year.

  186. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.

    Still not that cold.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Twinkie

    Why are these trainees so bunched up?

    Back in the day of Napolean or even the American Civil War, you wanted your soldiers in close ranks to concentrate firepower.

    These days of having select-fire rifles, and with your opponents using IEDs or suicide vests, you want your people in combat spread out, much more than in this video. Your modern infantry weapons means that you have individual fire power without bunching up. Modern adversary tactics means you want to spread out so one explosion doesn't kill your whole squad.

  187. @Bill P
    @Twinkie

    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid. The maritime influence keeps the temperature from going too low in the west, but the humidity has as insidious effect where the cold seeps down to the bone.

    The saltchuck is never warm enough for swimming, either, but some people still do it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid.

    Not as cold as the White Mountains in NH.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    On average, 22 people die in the Presidential Range in NH every year, the majority on Mt. Washington. It's one of the worst places in the world for unpredictable weather.

    This guy was the latest. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more experienced hiker.

    https://people.com/christopher-roma-hiker-dead-new-hampshire-white-mountains-8546709

    Replies: @Twinkie

  188. @res
    @Dream

    Thanks. Here is an archived JHU page with those numbers plus some other categories: 13 % international, 2% Native American/Pacific Islander, and 2% unknown.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230601012747/https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    The class of 2027 is 18% white.
    https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

    Then there is this. Some stunning numbers overall.
    https://hopkinshillel.org/about-us


    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.
     
    As Paleo Liberal mentioned, it would be interesting to know the international student demographics. Seems to me like many elite colleges use that to pad their black numbers. But maybe not JHU?

    Here are some 2018 era numbers for international students at JHU. Over 60% were Chinese!
    https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/johns-hopkins-university/student-life/international/

    They also note this: "Over the last several years the total Chinese population of students on campus has grown at an average rate of 31.8%." I wonder if JHU is trading on the reputation of the medical school to attract Chinese undergraduates?

    Continuing down the list other Asian countries are also well represented. There are about 30 Nigerians.

    P.S. Then there is the medical school. Perhaps they are trying to atone for this.
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/articles/2022/09/meet-the-class-of-2026

    This class had 6,352 applicants, 576 interviews, 287 accepted students, and 118 matriculated students. There are 105 MD & 13 MD-PHD students enrolled, 6 countries & 31 states represented, and 64 female & 54 male students enrolled. 58 institutions are represented. The class is 51% Asian, 37% Caucasian, 10% Underrepresented in Medicine, and 2% Other. The average GPA is 3.94 and the average MCAT score is 521.
     

    Replies: @Hail

    The [JHU] class of 2027 is 18% white.

    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.

    It would be misleading to assume that we can do a calculation about like this:

    18% [Whites], ‘minus’ ca. 7% [claimed 400 Jews / 6000 total undergraduates], ‘equals’ a full-White-Christian student-population at barely above 10%.

    There are three complicating factors that will shore-up the true White-Christian share:

    (1.) some additional Whites are going to be found under Foreign Students;

    (2.) some full-White students, knowing the system well enough, have found ways to dodge the racial-category system in any way then can. Would it surprise anyone if all the 2% “Unknowns” are full-Whites? and if a fair portion of the 2% claimed Amerindians, same? [cf. Elizabeth Warren, an early adopter of the strategy]. But soft-additions to the “Hispanic” category may give even more boost-points to the true White total.

    (Note: Some Whites claiming to be Nonwhite specifically are probably true-believers in Wokeness ala Rachel Dolezeal; others are not pro-Wokeness and simply seek to avoid being hammered by Diversity.)

    (3.) A lot of the Jews may list themselves as Nonwhite, in order to squeeze and extract Diversity-benefits for themselves (like that mega-fraud case of a wealthy Jew claiming to be Hispanic [via a single distant Jewish ancestor in Spain], who extracting huge sums for front-companies he controlled, which received “minority”-business handouts). But also because they see themselves as in the ascendant Anti-White-Christian Coalition.

    If a Jew claims to be from Israel, which is well on the far side of the Bosporus and the traditional boundary of Europe, he could claim to be an “Asian.”

    Even adjusting for these things, it would seem likely that the “full-White, Christian-origin, Male” share at Johns Hopkins is very likely under 10%(given the 60:40 ratio in favor of women). That, in an institution founded by White-Christian Males and for generations entirely involving them…

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @res
    @Hail

    Thanks. All of those are worth considering. The question is: how close is the naive approach to reality? My guess is not far off--as your final paragraph covers. Agreed there.

    I did cover (2) to some degree with discussion of the proportion of Asian foreign students. That group skews the raw numbers much more Asian than white.

  189. @Anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.
     
    In other words, instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back, they just want a giant vulgar middle finger put up to the ruling class they expect will keep ruling forever, with them as the eternal oppressed/victim class.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Stan Adams

    Remain in Mexico

    A North American Trade Agreement that actually sends jobs to Mexico instead of to China as iSteve pointed out.

    Low gasoline prices.

    No new foreign wars.

    The Abraham Accords.

    That thing to make insulin for diabetic persons more affordable.

    Judges who rule on the law rather than feelz.

    Low inflation and low unemployment.

    Brother-man, give me another helping of that not actually fighting back and instead offering a giant vulger middle finger.

  190. @Anonymous
    The Naval Academy has always had swimming requirements and still does. Every year was graded (and your grades affect class standing). First year was a lot of survival stroke stuff (side elementary, back stroke). You were graded on how few strokes it took to cross the pool (showing a strong stroke and long glide). They also taught dead man float and how to inflate your pants. There was actually a huge overlap with the swimming you learn in Boy Scouts for your skill award, and I had that...so already knew most of the survival stuff and aced the graded strokes and all.

    One gut check was the 10 meter tower jump. The jump sounds like no big deal, but when you are up there, it looks more like 25 meters. You feel way up there. I remember we did it "optionally" plebe summer and also the years before senior. But you had to pass it to graduate. Every year there would be a few people who just couldn't nut up and do it.

    Crawl stroke was taught and evaluated for form, not speed, first year. But last year, they had the "4o mile swim", which was 40 minutes in khackis, graded on number of laps done...very arduous.

    The brothers usually had a much harder time and a lot of them were on "sub squad" (extra instruction). My roomie was a recruited wrestler, white, and was also a "rock". He claimed the problem was his body fat percentage, but I was as lean as him. It's a skill. Like typing. You can't muscle it. Have to settle down and go slow and learn it. To this day, he still has issues. Lousy kick.

    P.s. I have seen swim instruction in Germany and Austria and every elementary school has mandatory swim lessons. Done in the local community centers (few schools have pools). I think it's a good idea, that the US should emulate. Not that impressed by the kids' ability. But at least they were getting taught.

    P.s.s. I am not a high school or college swim team type, but have a smooth crawl stroke (good grades in PE class). Am in training for a 4.4 mile open water swim, in heavy current water. Most I have done to date is 5500m in the pool. I'm not that scared of it...if you can do 1000 yards, you can do 9000. But I am worried about my pace. They pull you if you are too slow and I barely qualified into the event.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    The Naval Academy requires students to swim, who knew!

    My high school was big on swimming for everyone. Every year when we had the pool rotation of gym class, we were tested on swimming ability by crossing the width of the pool and back. We were then divided into candidates for the swim team at the deep end, those of us who could be counted not to need rescue in the middle, and the kids who couldn’t swim at the shallow end.

    I was skinny in high school and could never master of the crawl stroke (I do the butterfly and frog kick well), the teacher would order me to the shallow end of the pool with kids who couldn’t swim.

    After one class period in the shallow end, I would get scolded by Coach, “You know how to swim, stop slacking, go to the middle of the pool!”, which I was happy to do, to fit in with most of the class. Sub squad indeed!

  191. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    I was referring to the water temperature, not the climate. Definitely the climate is mild but the water is not very warm.
     
    Still not that cold.

    https://youtu.be/ggvtaihOo0M?si=9edHJM8R5j4Tt0Bh

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Why are these trainees so bunched up?

    Back in the day of Napolean or even the American Civil War, you wanted your soldiers in close ranks to concentrate firepower.

    These days of having select-fire rifles, and with your opponents using IEDs or suicide vests, you want your people in combat spread out, much more than in this video. Your modern infantry weapons means that you have individual fire power without bunching up. Modern adversary tactics means you want to spread out so one explosion doesn’t kill your whole squad.

  192. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting. Here is some discussion of that.
    https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-management/expert-forum-rise-and-rise-healthcare-administrator

    https://caas.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/sites/insight/files/inline-images/Chart.jpg

    I don't think they really gave an answer though. And that is such a dramatic trend change it calls out for a reason.

    It might be helpful to look at a logarithmic y axis plot of the actual numbers (easier to compare growth rates over time). Part of the effect is probably administrators starting from a low base. The growth in administrators makes it hard to see what really happened with physicians (e.g. looks like a decent bump in in 1981 and from 1993-1995).

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Guest007, @Twinkie

    Many of the administrators are there to reduce the administrative load on the physicians. It pays for a hospital with a large oncology/radiation oncology program to assigned a low level administrator to each physician to keep the paperwork straight. That way the hospital gets paid more and the physician can see more patients.

    Think of the opposite in corporate Americans where professional staff acts as their own admin staff and spend a lot of time doing administrative tasks.

  193. @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting. Here is some discussion of that.
    https://www.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/practice-management/expert-forum-rise-and-rise-healthcare-administrator

    https://caas.athenahealth.com/knowledge-hub/sites/insight/files/inline-images/Chart.jpg

    I don't think they really gave an answer though. And that is such a dramatic trend change it calls out for a reason.

    It might be helpful to look at a logarithmic y axis plot of the actual numbers (easier to compare growth rates over time). Part of the effect is probably administrators starting from a low base. The growth in administrators makes it hard to see what really happened with physicians (e.g. looks like a decent bump in in 1981 and from 1993-1995).

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Guest007, @Twinkie

    In this, medicine mirrors what’s been going on in higher education – massive growth in administration relative to the actual practitioners of the core mission.

    https://journals.lww.com/em-news/Fulltext/2022/01000/Special_Report__U_S__Health_Care_Administrative.6.aspx

    Health insurers and health care providers in the United States spent approximately $812 billion on administration in 2017, amounting to $2497 per capita (34.2% of national health expenditures) versus $551 per capita (17.0%) in Canada, according to a study published in 2020 by David Himmelstein, MD, and Stephanie Woolhandler, MD, distinguished professors at the School of Urban Public Health at Hunter College and the founders of Physicians for a National Health Program, which advocates for single-payer health insurance in the United States. (Ann Intern Med. 2020;172[2]:134.)

    hat includes $844 versus $146 for insurers’ overhead; $933 versus $196 for hospital administration; $255 versus $123 for nursing home, home care, and hospice administration; and $465 versus $87 for physicians’ insurance-related costs.

    They noted that health spending as a share of gross domestic product (GDP) was virtually identical in the two nations in 1970: 6.2 percent in the United States and 6.4 percent in Canada. U.S. costs by 2017 had reached 17.9 percent of GDP while Canada’s were 11.3 percent.

    A lot of those costs can be attributed to administrative positions. The number of new hospital administrators has exploded in recent years. Five decades ago, the U.S. and Canadian health care systems reported similar numbers of administrative personnel: 43.8 persons per 10,000 population in the United States versus 40.8 persons per 10,000 population in Canada. That number had tripled in the United States by 2017, to 129.7 per 10,000 population, while in Canada it had merely doubled, to 88.9 per 10,000 population.

    “The 40.8 per 10,000 population difference in administrative personnel accounted for 56% of the difference in the delivery system workforce, suggesting that administrative work accounts for a substantial share of differences in provider costs (and prices),” Drs. Himmelstein and Woolhandler wrote.

    • Replies: @res
    @Twinkie

    Agreed. I suspect if we had visibility we would find the same effect present in many (most?) other American institutions these days.

    Do you see anything like that in the military? Any other good examples?

    Thanks for the health care details.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  194. @Muggles
    @Guest007

    Not to nitpick on this (but who doesn't love that?) I'm not convinced that "bone density" = bone weight, even given same length.

    What does "adjusted bone density" mean in this context?

    Also, how about related muscle mass to bone density? Generally blacks (young men) have higher rates of speed than others as in proven in Olympic track sports. So even if density (adjusted?) = weight, this may be compensated for by more muscle mass or longer fibers, twitch rates, etc.

    If blacks were "too heavy" in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?

    I think the physiology of swimming is more complicated than this. (I could be wrong, but this bone weight excuse seems simplistic).

    As someone else mentioned body fat (which black females may have more of?) while that might help in flotation, swimming is far more than that. People people who can float also drown.

    Basic swimming can be done by a wide variety of body types, Though long distance, fast or endurance swimming probably takes specific muscle development and a lot of technique.

    Nearly all animals can swim and most humans can learn, if they don't panic and stay sober, are uninjured, etc.

    Since a lot of Negroes do swim, even if they have "heavier bones" that isn't a determining factor.

    There are people of all races who "can't swim" but that is more likely due to lack of any kind of teaching or taking the time to find a pool and learn the basics. Some people are afraid of water and won't learn. If you panic in water you may well drown even if you could swim and float.

    I can be wrong about this. But it seems more like a folk myth than science.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @kaganovitch

    If blacks were “too heavy” in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?

    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate, to move forward. The same principle applies to boats, the deeper they sit in the water, the more energy they need to generate to move forward.(Boats with a deep keel,may be advantaged in stability and thus have countervailing advantage) This explains why Blacks are vanishingly rare at the highest levels of swimming competition. They are, again Ceteris Paribus, at a physical disadvantage.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @kaganovitch

    (Sigh)

    I guess I can't leave this alone.

    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate,
     

    Even if the prior statistic cited at its maximum is correct (16% denser bone mass) that only applies to the fraction of body weight taken up by bone material. Which is itself only 14%, per Mother Google : The bone mass in the skeleton makes up about 14% of the total body weight

    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.

    Also, I previously mentioned, wouldn't the average black (known for speed on land ) have proportionally more muscle mass to move slightly heavier bone?

    The water resistance factor you cite would also be true in atmosphere but Blacks! seem to have all of those speed records despite "heavier bones." Hence, possibly, more muscle mass moving those bones. That might explain those track records.

    A less than 3% weight differential isn't going to "sink" a Black! swimmer much. I don't think swimming speed records are won by the smallest/lightest swimmers either.

    So more complicated than bone density. Many Blacks! swim just fine and likely some are pretty good in racing.

    I would suggest that fewer Black! swimmers in races are just like fewer Black! snow ski racers. Just not as much opportunity due to lower average income levels and cultural avoidance due to cost. Also better opportunities in sports where Blacks! traditionally compete.

    There are some college level courses in sports physiology where this kind of topic is chewed pretty thoroughly. Though the Men/Women of Unz may not have much scholarship on that subject at hand.

    Replies: @res, @Ardrguutf

  195. @Jim Don Bob
    @res

    The lovely Sherita:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Sherita_Hill_Golden_for_SEIU_775_Benefits_Group.jpg/800px-Sherita_Hill_Golden_for_SEIU_775_Benefits_Group.jpg

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    She reminds me of a Muppet, like a black Miss Piggy .

  196. @Anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Get this clear, assclowns: nobody really actually likes Donald Trump. He is merely there as a symbol and a signal of how utterly irrevocably cold-bloodedly we fucking HATE you.
     
    In other words, instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back, they just want a giant vulgar middle finger put up to the ruling class they expect will keep ruling forever, with them as the eternal oppressed/victim class.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Stan Adams

    instead of electing a politician who will actually fight back

    Ron DeSantis? Nikki Haley? Mitt Romney?

  197. @Hail
    @res


    The [JHU] class of 2027 is 18% white.
     

    There are over 400 Jewish students at JHU, almost 10% of the undergraduate population.
     
    It would be misleading to assume that we can do a calculation about like this:

    18% [Whites], 'minus' ca. 7% [claimed 400 Jews / 6000 total undergraduates], 'equals' a full-White-Christian student-population at barely above 10%.

    There are three complicating factors that will shore-up the true White-Christian share:

    (1.) some additional Whites are going to be found under Foreign Students;

    (2.) some full-White students, knowing the system well enough, have found ways to dodge the racial-category system in any way then can. Would it surprise anyone if all the 2% "Unknowns" are full-Whites? and if a fair portion of the 2% claimed Amerindians, same? [cf. Elizabeth Warren, an early adopter of the strategy]. But soft-additions to the "Hispanic" category may give even more boost-points to the true White total.

    (Note: Some Whites claiming to be Nonwhite specifically are probably true-believers in Wokeness ala Rachel Dolezeal; others are not pro-Wokeness and simply seek to avoid being hammered by Diversity.)

    (3.) A lot of the Jews may list themselves as Nonwhite, in order to squeeze and extract Diversity-benefits for themselves (like that mega-fraud case of a wealthy Jew claiming to be Hispanic [via a single distant Jewish ancestor in Spain], who extracting huge sums for front-companies he controlled, which received "minority"-business handouts). But also because they see themselves as in the ascendant Anti-White-Christian Coalition.

    If a Jew claims to be from Israel, which is well on the far side of the Bosporus and the traditional boundary of Europe, he could claim to be an "Asian."

    ---

    Even adjusting for these things, it would seem likely that the "full-White, Christian-origin, Male" share at Johns Hopkins is very likely under 10%(given the 60:40 ratio in favor of women). That, in an institution founded by White-Christian Males and for generations entirely involving them...

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. All of those are worth considering. The question is: how close is the naive approach to reality? My guess is not far off–as your final paragraph covers. Agreed there.

    I did cover (2) to some degree with discussion of the proportion of Asian foreign students. That group skews the raw numbers much more Asian than white.

  198. @Twinkie
    @res

    In this, medicine mirrors what’s been going on in higher education - massive growth in administration relative to the actual practitioners of the core mission.

    https://journals.lww.com/em-news/Fulltext/2022/01000/Special_Report__U_S__Health_Care_Administrative.6.aspx


    Health insurers and health care providers in the United States spent approximately $812 billion on administration in 2017, amounting to $2497 per capita (34.2% of national health expenditures) versus $551 per capita (17.0%) in Canada, according to a study published in 2020 by David Himmelstein, MD, and Stephanie Woolhandler, MD, distinguished professors at the School of Urban Public Health at Hunter College and the founders of Physicians for a National Health Program, which advocates for single-payer health insurance in the United States. (Ann Intern Med. 2020;172[2]:134.)

    hat includes $844 versus $146 for insurers' overhead; $933 versus $196 for hospital administration; $255 versus $123 for nursing home, home care, and hospice administration; and $465 versus $87 for physicians' insurance-related costs.

    They noted that health spending as a share of gross domestic product (GDP) was virtually identical in the two nations in 1970: 6.2 percent in the United States and 6.4 percent in Canada. U.S. costs by 2017 had reached 17.9 percent of GDP while Canada's were 11.3 percent.

    A lot of those costs can be attributed to administrative positions. The number of new hospital administrators has exploded in recent years. Five decades ago, the U.S. and Canadian health care systems reported similar numbers of administrative personnel: 43.8 persons per 10,000 population in the United States versus 40.8 persons per 10,000 population in Canada. That number had tripled in the United States by 2017, to 129.7 per 10,000 population, while in Canada it had merely doubled, to 88.9 per 10,000 population.

    “The 40.8 per 10,000 population difference in administrative personnel accounted for 56% of the difference in the delivery system workforce, suggesting that administrative work accounts for a substantial share of differences in provider costs (and prices),” Drs. Himmelstein and Woolhandler wrote.
     

    Replies: @res

    Agreed. I suspect if we had visibility we would find the same effect present in many (most?) other American institutions these days.

    Do you see anything like that in the military? Any other good examples?

    Thanks for the health care details.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @res


    Do you see anything like that in the military? Any other good examples?
     
    These days, what isn't touched by the grubby and grabby hands of the Leviathan?
  199. @kaganovitch
    @Muggles


    If blacks were “too heavy” in bone mass to swim, how can they then set speed records on dry land?
     
    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate, to move forward. The same principle applies to boats, the deeper they sit in the water, the more energy they need to generate to move forward.(Boats with a deep keel,may be advantaged in stability and thus have countervailing advantage) This explains why Blacks are vanishingly rare at the highest levels of swimming competition. They are, again Ceteris Paribus, at a physical disadvantage.

    Replies: @Muggles

    (Sigh)

    I guess I can’t leave this alone.

    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate,

    Even if the prior statistic cited at its maximum is correct (16% denser bone mass) that only applies to the fraction of body weight taken up by bone material. Which is itself only 14%, per Mother Google : The bone mass in the skeleton makes up about 14% of the total body weight

    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.

    Also, I previously mentioned, wouldn’t the average black (known for speed on land ) have proportionally more muscle mass to move slightly heavier bone?

    The water resistance factor you cite would also be true in atmosphere but Blacks! seem to have all of those speed records despite “heavier bones.” Hence, possibly, more muscle mass moving those bones. That might explain those track records.

    A less than 3% weight differential isn’t going to “sink” a Black! swimmer much. I don’t think swimming speed records are won by the smallest/lightest swimmers either.

    So more complicated than bone density. Many Blacks! swim just fine and likely some are pretty good in racing.

    I would suggest that fewer Black! swimmers in races are just like fewer Black! snow ski racers. Just not as much opportunity due to lower average income levels and cultural avoidance due to cost. Also better opportunities in sports where Blacks! traditionally compete.

    There are some college level courses in sports physiology where this kind of topic is chewed pretty thoroughly. Though the Men/Women of Unz may not have much scholarship on that subject at hand.

    • Replies: @res
    @Muggles


    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.
     
    Sea water is only 2.5% denser than fresh water.
    https://masweb.vims.edu/bridge/datatip.cfm?Bridge_Location=archive1207.htm

    Yet we see numbers like this.
    Human body buoyancy: a study of 98 men
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/617991/

    At functional residual capacity, the value approximating the lung volume of a recently dead body, 69% of the subjects would float in seawater, whereas only 7% would float in freshwater.
     
    , @Ardrguutf
    @Muggles

    I’ve long wondered about that “lean muscularity/dense skeleton” explanation of black swimming ineptitude

    Horses and dogs are naturally much leaner and more muscular than humans, and I assume that horses have very dense bones, considering their immense heft. Both animals are much better at running and jumping than humans, yet they generally can swim, although not nearly as well as aquatic or semi-aquatic animals.

    As I child/teen, I knew others who could not swim, but this had little to do with how lean or muscular they were. If anything, the non-swimmers were less athletic, less well-muscled, and fatter than the swimmers. I knew some very athletic high schoolers who could swim well, but not float, especially some very lean athletes on the wrestling team, and they were white.

    It seems the only animals that need to be taught to swim are humans, and we are comparatively bad at it. Olympic swimmers can probably swim faster than the fastest horses, but probably 100 randomly chosen horses would make it across the Mississippi River between Minnesota and Wisconsin with fewer drownings than 100 random humans

    Replies: @res

  200. @Muggles
    @kaganovitch

    (Sigh)

    I guess I can't leave this alone.

    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate,
     

    Even if the prior statistic cited at its maximum is correct (16% denser bone mass) that only applies to the fraction of body weight taken up by bone material. Which is itself only 14%, per Mother Google : The bone mass in the skeleton makes up about 14% of the total body weight

    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.

    Also, I previously mentioned, wouldn't the average black (known for speed on land ) have proportionally more muscle mass to move slightly heavier bone?

    The water resistance factor you cite would also be true in atmosphere but Blacks! seem to have all of those speed records despite "heavier bones." Hence, possibly, more muscle mass moving those bones. That might explain those track records.

    A less than 3% weight differential isn't going to "sink" a Black! swimmer much. I don't think swimming speed records are won by the smallest/lightest swimmers either.

    So more complicated than bone density. Many Blacks! swim just fine and likely some are pretty good in racing.

    I would suggest that fewer Black! swimmers in races are just like fewer Black! snow ski racers. Just not as much opportunity due to lower average income levels and cultural avoidance due to cost. Also better opportunities in sports where Blacks! traditionally compete.

    There are some college level courses in sports physiology where this kind of topic is chewed pretty thoroughly. Though the Men/Women of Unz may not have much scholarship on that subject at hand.

    Replies: @res, @Ardrguutf

    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.

    Sea water is only 2.5% denser than fresh water.
    https://masweb.vims.edu/bridge/datatip.cfm?Bridge_Location=archive1207.htm

    Yet we see numbers like this.
    Human body buoyancy: a study of 98 men
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/617991/

    At functional residual capacity, the value approximating the lung volume of a recently dead body, 69% of the subjects would float in seawater, whereas only 7% would float in freshwater.

  201. A fresh egg will sink to the bottom of a glass of fresh water and a stale egg will float (and semi-fresh eggs in between) even though there is very little difference in their weight ( the egg only loses a few grams of water thru evaporation). When you have two objects that are very similar in density such that they are almost neutral buoyancy vs each other (like humans and water), a very small shift can meant the difference between floating and sinking.

    • Agree: res
    • Thanks: J.Ross
  202. @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross


    OT — Another tranny interested in massacre, this time arrested before the big day.
     
    I have proposed Kaganovitch’s Corollary to Caldwell’s Observation–

    Caldwell’s Observation
    ” One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak to a world in which it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong.”

    Kaganovitch’s Corollary
    “One moves swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which Trans people can’t be deadnamed lest they commit suicide to a world where they can’t be deadnamed lest they commit homicide.”

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Kaganovitch’s Corollary

    Far be it from me to presume to supply emendations to your typically masterful pronouncements, but even you will have to agree that Kagan’s Corollary has a snappier ring to it.

    And feel free to credit me (if only privately) with already knowing why you wouldn’t want to do it 😉

  203. @res
    @Twinkie

    Agreed. I suspect if we had visibility we would find the same effect present in many (most?) other American institutions these days.

    Do you see anything like that in the military? Any other good examples?

    Thanks for the health care details.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Do you see anything like that in the military? Any other good examples?

    These days, what isn’t touched by the grubby and grabby hands of the Leviathan?

  204. @Muggles
    @kaganovitch

    (Sigh)

    I guess I can't leave this alone.

    Ceteris Paribus, the more dense you are, the more of your mass is in the water. Thus the more water you need to displace and the more power you need to generate,
     

    Even if the prior statistic cited at its maximum is correct (16% denser bone mass) that only applies to the fraction of body weight taken up by bone material. Which is itself only 14%, per Mother Google : The bone mass in the skeleton makes up about 14% of the total body weight

    So 16% of 14% = 2.24% of total average body weight. So less than 2 1/2 percent disadvantage. Hardly enough to sink a Black! swimmer.

    Also, I previously mentioned, wouldn't the average black (known for speed on land ) have proportionally more muscle mass to move slightly heavier bone?

    The water resistance factor you cite would also be true in atmosphere but Blacks! seem to have all of those speed records despite "heavier bones." Hence, possibly, more muscle mass moving those bones. That might explain those track records.

    A less than 3% weight differential isn't going to "sink" a Black! swimmer much. I don't think swimming speed records are won by the smallest/lightest swimmers either.

    So more complicated than bone density. Many Blacks! swim just fine and likely some are pretty good in racing.

    I would suggest that fewer Black! swimmers in races are just like fewer Black! snow ski racers. Just not as much opportunity due to lower average income levels and cultural avoidance due to cost. Also better opportunities in sports where Blacks! traditionally compete.

    There are some college level courses in sports physiology where this kind of topic is chewed pretty thoroughly. Though the Men/Women of Unz may not have much scholarship on that subject at hand.

    Replies: @res, @Ardrguutf

    I’ve long wondered about that “lean muscularity/dense skeleton” explanation of black swimming ineptitude

    Horses and dogs are naturally much leaner and more muscular than humans, and I assume that horses have very dense bones, considering their immense heft. Both animals are much better at running and jumping than humans, yet they generally can swim, although not nearly as well as aquatic or semi-aquatic animals.

    As I child/teen, I knew others who could not swim, but this had little to do with how lean or muscular they were. If anything, the non-swimmers were less athletic, less well-muscled, and fatter than the swimmers. I knew some very athletic high schoolers who could swim well, but not float, especially some very lean athletes on the wrestling team, and they were white.

    It seems the only animals that need to be taught to swim are humans, and we are comparatively bad at it. Olympic swimmers can probably swim faster than the fastest horses, but probably 100 randomly chosen horses would make it across the Mississippi River between Minnesota and Wisconsin with fewer drownings than 100 random humans

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @res
    @Ardrguutf


    I’ve long wondered about that “lean muscularity/dense skeleton” explanation of black swimming ineptitude
     
    Perhaps better as an explanation of general discomfort with being in the water than swimming?

    Horses and dogs are naturally much leaner and more muscular than humans, and I assume that horses have very dense bones, considering their immense heft. Both animals are much better at running and jumping than humans, yet they generally can swim, although not nearly as well as aquatic or semi-aquatic animals.
     
    I think the four legged body type is a more natural fit for swimming. Though human hand and foot size help.

    Segmental Body Weight, Volume and Mass Center in Thoroughbred Horses
    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jes1990/3/2/3_2_149

    Consequently, the torso volume may be elevated slightly producing a mean density of 0.897 g/cm3. A swimming horse in training could actually float, at least part of its body head (ie 4.4% of total body weight).
     
  205. I think colleges should offer a Joe Delaney scholarship to blacks who can successfully swim.

  206. @Ardrguutf
    @Muggles

    I’ve long wondered about that “lean muscularity/dense skeleton” explanation of black swimming ineptitude

    Horses and dogs are naturally much leaner and more muscular than humans, and I assume that horses have very dense bones, considering their immense heft. Both animals are much better at running and jumping than humans, yet they generally can swim, although not nearly as well as aquatic or semi-aquatic animals.

    As I child/teen, I knew others who could not swim, but this had little to do with how lean or muscular they were. If anything, the non-swimmers were less athletic, less well-muscled, and fatter than the swimmers. I knew some very athletic high schoolers who could swim well, but not float, especially some very lean athletes on the wrestling team, and they were white.

    It seems the only animals that need to be taught to swim are humans, and we are comparatively bad at it. Olympic swimmers can probably swim faster than the fastest horses, but probably 100 randomly chosen horses would make it across the Mississippi River between Minnesota and Wisconsin with fewer drownings than 100 random humans

    Replies: @res

    I’ve long wondered about that “lean muscularity/dense skeleton” explanation of black swimming ineptitude

    Perhaps better as an explanation of general discomfort with being in the water than swimming?

    Horses and dogs are naturally much leaner and more muscular than humans, and I assume that horses have very dense bones, considering their immense heft. Both animals are much better at running and jumping than humans, yet they generally can swim, although not nearly as well as aquatic or semi-aquatic animals.

    I think the four legged body type is a more natural fit for swimming. Though human hand and foot size help.

    Segmental Body Weight, Volume and Mass Center in Thoroughbred Horses
    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jes1990/3/2/3_2_149

    Consequently, the torso volume may be elevated slightly producing a mean density of 0.897 g/cm3. A swimming horse in training could actually float, at least part of its body head (ie 4.4% of total body weight).

  207. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    East of the mountains both Washington and BC get downright frigid.
     
    Not as cold as the White Mountains in NH.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    On average, 22 people die in the Presidential Range in NH every year, the majority on Mt. Washington. It’s one of the worst places in the world for unpredictable weather.

    This guy was the latest. You’d be hard-pressed to find a more experienced hiker.

    https://people.com/christopher-roma-hiker-dead-new-hampshire-white-mountains-8546709

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Brutusale

    The White Mountains area also has the best autumn foliage I've ever seen anywhere in the world. Just beautiful.

  208. @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    On average, 22 people die in the Presidential Range in NH every year, the majority on Mt. Washington. It's one of the worst places in the world for unpredictable weather.

    This guy was the latest. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more experienced hiker.

    https://people.com/christopher-roma-hiker-dead-new-hampshire-white-mountains-8546709

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The White Mountains area also has the best autumn foliage I’ve ever seen anywhere in the world. Just beautiful.

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