This is just part of the Left’s War on Speech Control, where the Left tells you how you may address them, you peon. Hence the “pronouns in the profile” game, and the demanding you address them by their titles (whether real or imaginary), or where they give themselves hilarious monikers and insist that your not following that is hate (e.g. woke joke political commentator Toure Neblitt demanding that he be addressed by the mononym Toure instead of by his full name).

This is about power to control speech. Very 1984.

And Steve, good pick up on Biden’s intellectual insecurity. Although no one who gets to be a senator is dumb, Biden was never the smartest guy in the room in any Senate meeting, and he got all upset about it. It seems he couldn’t be happy being a corporate stooge and railroad pawn and decided he needed to “prove” his smarts when challenged.

That vid showing Biden in 1988 is like some of the vid from the current year, except he doesn’t talk as fast anymore. Pretty obvious Joe’s been an insecure cry-bully for his entire adult life.

We can all rest easier once he’s installed as President! The long national nightmare will be over!

Surprise, surprise, Biden has more hair now than he had in 1988.

But insisting that other people call you Doctor, especially when you got a doctorate in Education (which 95% of the time is just a way to pad your pay from the public school district), is pretty tacky.

Even if your parenthetical is true, it is still a lot of work that most people couldn’t handle.

Delaware’s bar exam pass rate is 68%, and is the 13th easiest by that measure in the USA.

https://lawschooli.com/bar-exam-pass-rate-by-state/

Likely under 15% of white males who take the exam fail it.

Speaking of dim lawyers, more evidence Rudy really screwed up the Hunter laptop release.

An e-mail admitting to underreporting the Burisma corrupt payments on taxes by $400,000 was on the drive in addition to all the pervy items.

And Rudy is leaking it now after having it for months!

https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2020/12/email-hunter-biden-raises-fresh-questions-tax-dealings/

Medical doctors have appropriated and monopolized the “Dr.” title, so effectively that most people exclusively or mainly associate it with medicine. But the original use of the title was for people with doctoral degrees.

The medical guild, especially when it was quite a dodgy profession with very poor standards which was the case until the 20th century, insisted on being called doctors as a PR move to make themselves look better and more authoritative. Technically though, the medical degree was not and still isn’t a doctoral degree. This is obscured in the US because med students are required to have a separate bachelor’s degree as a prerequisite. But in the UK, Canada, and most countries elsewhere, the medical degree is a bachelor’s degree. You get a bachelor’s degree in medicine, surgery, etc.

In other words, medical doctors don’t have doctoral degrees, and thus should not be called “doctors”. They have bachelor’s degrees. But they’re members of a guild which successfully managed to usurp the label.

Awesome. He cut her up back down and sideways. I love good invective.

The only good thing about Dr. (Ed.) Jill is that she may be that last person to keep Kamalaho at bay while she does Edith Wilson II with Joe.

So Joe was first was at the bottom 2/3 of his class and then much improved and ended up at the top 1/2 of his class. LMAO. Very informative.

Alas, we have his obvious onset of dementia to deal with on top of his mediocre mind to begin with.

As for the “Dr”, it’s really simple: Every time a PhD calls himself/herself a “Dr”, it’s a clear sign of insecurity (and, quite often, of stupidity). There is even an academic paper on this:

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.957.9114&rep=rep1&type=pdf

We claim that entities (individuals, groups) that are just over the border on the positive side tend to exaggerate their membership on the positive side (asymmetrical social Mach bands). We demonstrate this by showing that (a) master’s-degree universities use the word university to describe themselves more than major graduate universities do, (b) small international airports use the word international to describe themselves more than major airports do, and (c) University of Pennsylvania students, who are affiliated with a “marginal” Ivy League school, use the word Ivy to describe their school more than Harvard students do.

The more lightweight the doctoral program, the more the graduate will insist on being addressed as doctor.

A notable exception was the prominent, public education critic William Cosby, EdD.

I am so sick and tired of public union contracts that award pay raises (higher shares of government spending) to school teachers who accumulate graduate school credit-hours.

Doctor of Babysitting.

Off topic Californians I went to a small privately owned food market where I buy meat and fish. New sign in the door “ by order of the public health authorities only 8 persons can be in the store at the same time”

I went in Only 1 other customer in the store on Saturday afternoon. Has anyone else seen a sign like this?

“Even if your parenthetical is true, it is still a lot of work that most people couldn’t handle. ”

That’s why drop outs for EDU PHD go to gender studies for a Pile it Higher and Deeper

I went to law school with Beau, seemed a pretty genuinely good guy. Al Damato’s son was at SU Law at the same time, a total douche. Both were pulling good tail, unlike me, but I ain’t no senator’s son.

It’s “Sir Michael”. Anyway, I’m glad Joe’s hair has made as big a comeback as his presidential ambitions.

Also quite a bit of debt that most people couldn’t handle either.

Does a Ph.D in Education actually cost effective?

since the taxpayer subsidies almost all 3rd level education, can we require that dissertations etc need to be posted on a searchable online database. It might cause lefties to pause before embracing vitriol and for professors grading it

This is of course the same behavior the entire establishment would decry as unpresidential coming from Donald Trump. I do find it interesting that both Biden and Trump focus on “higher IQ” rather than saying “I guarantee I’m smarter than you are” or something similar in meaning.

Also, I note that Joe Biden is the actual “mediocre white man” of leftist fever dreams. They must hate his ass for being necessary to their ambitions.

Having to call an education dummy like Jill Biden “doctor” is like having to wear a mask in public: something we are forced to do as sign of social submission.

Literally, just like having to call some clown “Sir”.

It’s enforced by the same crowd.

OT, sort of: here’s a photo of the most overlooked, ignored, and neglected PoC in America today:

That’s Pierson Cooke, who seems to be the regular kicker on the Vanderbilt football team. He kicked a 39-yard field goal today in Vandy’s 42-17 loss to Tennessee.

But he’s not making a lot of news, because on this day he wasn’t needed to kick extra points — that crucial duty was turned over to Sarah Fuller, who did indeed convert 2 for 2 chances.

I love the way all of the news stories on Fuller emphasize the absolute NECESSITY of bringing her on to the team, because there JUST WAS NO OTHER CHOICE.

But today their regular kicker was clearly available, and the actual kicking duties, other than the two gimmick extra points, were obviously turned back over to him.

By the way, to bring this post back on topic, here’s a Guardian article that suggests a new form of address for powerful GRRRLZ who deserve respect and recognition for their accomplishments that will no doubt soon enter the lexicon:

Sarah Fuller: ‘My male college football teammates call me Champ’

University of Pennsylvania students, who are affiliated with a “marginal” Ivy League school, use the word Ivy to describe their school more than Harvard students do.

Would you believe that this (somewhat outdated) stereotype has been called anti-semitic? (Not the use of the Ivy affiliation but the notion that Penn is substandard.)

About the article? First time I can remember a WSJ op-ed producing over 1200 reader comments. Only read a few, but was delighted to learn (from one of her fans) that Jill’s current title is “First Lady Elect”…and you thought you voted for…

The only good thing about Dr. (Ed.) Jill is that she may be that last person to keep Kamalaho at bay while she does Edith Wilson II with Joe.

I agree; this looming showdown promises to be epic. The problem is that, given media omerta, few to no details of the inevitable donnybrooks may ever leak out to the public.

Doctor is appropriate for PhDs in a professional setting but dumb to use in public. Plus everyone knows that EdDs are joke degrees that don’t count as a real doctorate.

Well, you’d get even lower quality teachers if they didn’t bump the salaries for additional degrees. A BA in Education requires laughably low effort. Any bar is better than no bar.

Nothing can be done about public Education until disciplinary issues are seriously addressed, however.

It’s an EdD and yeah it’s worth it if you’re already ensconced in a school district and looking to move up and get away from the classroom.

I’ve disliked Joe Biden his entire career. His plagiarism, bullying, outright fabrications, and working-class schtick all piss me off, more than Barry O’s phony intellectualism-meets-numinous negro or the Squad’s insane leftism via identity politics of girl POCs. The fact that he enriched himself and his loser kids is just the icing on the cake.

It seems most commentators around the political spectrum really do seem to like him and also think he is about as close an approximation to an average white guy that they like. Maybe that’s why it makes me so angry.

Marx saved his most savage invective for the petit bourgeois, little guys who defended the system and truly believed in it even as they didn’t benefit from it. I suppose I hate Joe because he is the same way, at least in the sense that all working class whites have been gutted by his life’s work, even as he claims to be one of them. (Well, plus he has benefited, greatly.)

Surprise, surprise, Biden has more hair now than he had in 1988.

In his nose and ears.

Brother Steve, I would probably guess that Hands-on Joe is closer to a mid-wit than you’re giving him credit for.

That exchange of his that you posted above; I’ve met borderline mentally retarded tradesmen who didn’t string that many gaffes together in one try.

But then again, Uncle Handsie might just be a really bad liar, and if that’s the case there’s even less to like about him than you think.

I remember someone telling the story, on television, that he once had gotten onto an elevator where the only person already in it was Henry Kissinger. The storyteller had said, “Hello, Mr. Kissinger!” The heavily accented-but-deadpan response had been, “DOCTOR Kissinger!”

When I was a graduate student in Psychology, forty years ago, I used to joke that I only wanted to earn a Ph.D. so that I could be the only one NOT to call myself “Doctor.” My experiences, as both a student and as an employee, in several institutions of higher education, was that faculty members indeed did tend to be very sensitive to their being slighted by their lessers who failed to address them as “Doctor.”

The interim head coach must have thought this virtue signaling was his best path to another job. He had previously said he was going to play the kicker who best helped the team, that was a lie.

We demonstrate this by showing that (a) master’s-degree universities use the word university to describe themselves more than major graduate universities do, (b) small international airports use the word international to describe themselves more than major airports do…

It is amazing how many “historic” neighborhoods and towns there are in the Midwest. I don’t remember any in the Northeast, even though theirs are 200 or so years older.

My experience is anyone who gets a doctorate spends a few days making everyone call them, “Doctor.” This was largely just to be a dick about it. Afterwards, the title would be dropped except for siblings and whenever you need to pull rank. (“That’s Dr Jackass to you.”) I wonder if that means Jill considers Joe to be her little brother or someone who needs to be knocked down a few pegs.

As for the “Dr”, it’s really simple: Every time a PhD calls himself/herself a “Dr”, it’s a clear sign of insecurity (and, quite often, of stupidity).

In my experience, that’s true. Despite my handle (which refers to a couple of things other than the fact that I do have an academic doctorate) I never made anyone call me “Doctor” — I preferred “Professor.”

Like Jill Biden, I actually taught at community colleges (an experience I wouldn’t want to repeat) and faculty who used the honorific were often marginally qualified and were simply trying to inflate their importance and pull rank over the majority of the faculty who held only Master’s degrees — e.g., “I’m DOCTAH Sha-nay-nay Washington of the African-American Studies Department.” The practice was most common among females, and among female administrators in particular who held Ed.Ds. Many who did this were in fact very stupid and/or insecure.

In a four-year university where pretty much all faculty are Ph.Ds, it’s redundant and pointless to go around calling people “Doctor,” and everybody goes by “Professor” or just their first name unless they’re getting introduced at a formal event or public lecture.

Thirty years ago, when I worked in hospital administration, I don’t believe there was one PhD who wanted to be called “doctor”, no matter what science their degree was in. In hospitals, “doctor” establishes rank and precedence, and who actually holds the responsibility for the life and well-being of patients.

Now, though, PhDs all insist on being called doctor, especially the women. Doctors of Nursing, Doctors of Public Health. In every field, no matter how unrelated to health care. And even when their doctorate is as useless as an education degree.

My experiences, as both a student and as an employee, in several institutions of higher education, was that faculty members indeed did tend to be very sensitive to their being slighted by their lessers who failed to address them as “Doctor.”

That’s weird to me. My grad school days were ~30 years ago but everyone used first names. To be sure, there were certain older ‘legends in the field’ types with whom one would use the honorific, but I can’t imagine even them bristling if someone didn’t. Perhaps a EuroProf or two, older and affecting a grand mien. Fortunately we didn’t have too many of those. I never used it, but I certainly addressed legends as “Professor”, at least until we had become familiar.

What would you call Professor Ta-Nehisi? The day is coming. For many years I was one person removed from Dr K but the connection was a woman in a clearly subservient position, whom he always addressed by her first name. Why does Herr K run amok, anyway?

Biden looked like Peter Boyle’s kid brother.

Does a Ph.D in Education actually cost effective?

For Education Colleges? Yes, very.

Isn’t it Dr. Kissinger?

That’s pretty common in Chicago. People wait in line outside to get in.

” I don’t remember any in the Northeast, even though theirs are 200 or so years older.”

What’s your favorite pronoun?

The parenthetical isn’t true. No teachers get PhDs for the money. For one thing, you don’t have to get a degree to get paid more–just go to school, in most cases. A PhD is a huge amount of work for zero benefit that couldn’t be achieved in a hundred easier ways. It’s flatly false.

People who get doctorates in education want to teach in university ed schools. And those jobs are going away, like all tenured positions. The minute tenured positions started falling, so did Ed doctorates. In 1998 they were 15% of all degrees. By 2017, they were just 9%.

1. If Biden required 4 attempts to pass the bar exam, he was below the 8th percentile among licensed attorneys. I believe Marilyn Mosby, the abusive state’s attorney in Baltimore, required 3 attempts.

2. “EdD” degrees are spurious as professional credentials. There’s been a great deal of credential inflation in the last generation or two, but disciplines and practices like dentistry, physical and occupational therapy, and pharmacy are distinct bodies of knowledge and skill whose practitioners either know things physicians and surgeons do not or have a much more detailed understanding than you commonly find among medical practitioners. Clinical psychologists commonly have some tricks up their sleeve that psychiatrists do not. (Optometrists and podiatrists, perhaps not). There is no such profession as ‘education’. There are public-sector apparatchiks, non-profit apparatchiks, public policy mavens, and tests-and-measurements psychologists.

3. EdDs are spurious as research degrees as well. You can study psychology and you can study organizational behavior (under the heading of sociology or psychology or political science).

Which is to say it’s another humbug degree. Same deal with all the other teaching degrees, social work degrees, library science degrees, ‘interdisciplinary’ degrees in the arts-and-sciences, and (in many places) degrees in sociology and cultural anthropology. And when they’re not humbug, they’re nevertheless padded (as are nearly all baccalaureate degree programs, not to mention JD programs). Abolish all of them.

Not true. Quicker to get an admin credential. Unfortunately, while teachers aren’t hired by affirmative action, administrators are. But a doctorate isn’t going to get you a job in admin any more than a simple credential is.

All right, bad on the U.S. sawbones guild I suppose, but didn’t the J.D. come first? And M.D. in the states was soon joined by Pharm.D., O.D., D.D.S./D.M.D., and probably more crazy crap in the future, so I don’t see how they’re running as impostors in front of everybody.

Psy.D. would seem to be of that same clique but 1) apparently requires as much work as a Ph.D. in psychology; and 2) isn’t sufficient for psychiatric jobs that require the professional/M.D. cred

Every time a PhD calls himself/herself a “Dr”, it’s a clear sign of insecurity (and, quite often, of stupidity). There is even an academic paper on this:

It’s absolutely standard on arts and sciences faculties, and for a reason. They spent a year or two taking classes and four or five years working on a research project to get that degree.

In other words, medical doctors don’t have doctoral degrees, and thus should not be called “doctors”. They have bachelor’s degrees.

Medical degrees require four calendar years of study in a discrete body of knowledge. To enter medical school, you need a body of credits in a set of adjacent subjects, earned while you’re getting your BA degree or earned after in post-baccalaureate programs. Bachelor’s degrees run for four academic years and your course list is commonly a mishmash of stuff, with 1/3 or 1/2 devoted to your major. The MD is perfectly appropriate. (And, if I’m not mistaken, European universities added medical schools during the Renaissance and early modern period).

On the other hand, Kayshon Boutte is an actual name.

In general, the Bidens seem like people of run-of-the-mill IQs who are insecure about their merely normal brainpower, and overreact embarrassingly

Is this why black women with Ph.D.s disproportionately insist on using the Dr. title?

There was a brief Twitter erruption around the hashtag #ImmodestWomen a couple of years ago. Here’s a good entry from that exchange:

Just had a reply to an #ImmodestWoman tweet calling us a 'cesspool of irresponsible, misleading, self-aggrandizing mental masturbators who never attended medical school’. So it’s going well.

— Dr Kate Wiles (@katemond) June 18, 2018

Another tweet justified the use of Dr. by women Ph.D.s because it partially makes up for the fact that all women Ph.D.s were raped and abused by their advisors.

A side observation: I do like the fun sort of titles that everybody knows are completely fake, like “Kentucky colonols.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Colonel

I have three younger sisters. Recently Sister #1 related a phone conversation she had with Sister#2. She had expressed her annoyance with her professor husband’s insistence on being called ‘Dr.’ Sister #1 and I agreed that while our brother-in-law is kind of a pompous ass, Sister #2 was suffering from a case of professional jealousy. She had come within a whisker of earning her Phd. in the same field as her husband but just couldn’t get over the hump. She teaches the occasional online course at her husband’s university. Of course, it’s mainly the high regard the department head has for her husband that got her that opportunity, which causes even more resentment.

Oh, and as for Sister #3, she doesn’t concern herself with such pettiness. Of course, our mother readily admits she was smoking a lot more during her last pregnancy.

The relevant part at 1:20 of the clip.

Douglas Emhoff is the First Gentleman Elect-In-Waiting

Drive on the Kensington Expressway into Buffalo from the airport and you pass under a sign designating a section as The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. Hwy. Years ago the pastor at my parish church was titled The Right Reverend Monsignor and then his given name. If I had a Doctorate I would add the letters after my name, but not call myself Doctor. Thing is though, I thought she was an MD.

White House staffer (I guess): Dr. Jill; it hurts when I do this.

Dr. Jill: Well don’t do that.

Article doesn’t say this was just leaked by Rudy. And the tax issue was never a major concern anyway. Nobody cares about the tax implications.

Rudy and others were looking at the forrest not the trees.

Richard, good practice to calls cops, “Officer”, seems to smooth the interaction.

It must be nice for Hunter to have a stepmom with a prescription pad.

Hunter might be the smartest one of the gang, with a law degree from Yale. However, he is also the one with the smallest moral compass (and that’s saying a lot for this bunch) and this shows you that intelligence isn’t everything. If intelligence is not restrained by morality it can just as well be used to run scams as to do something useful.

When my kids were little, one of their friend’s moms, who happened to be a dentist herself, kept addressing me as “Dr. Miller.” I finally convinced her that just “Dave” was normal.

My wife and I have known a lot of Ph.D.’s during the last few decades: I have not known one who expected people to call them “Doctor” in ordinary life. “Doctor” is used only in formal academic settings: e.g., I alternated between addressing Dick Feynman as “Dr. Feynman” or “Professor Feynman” when I knew him when I was an undergrad. And, in grad school, I was told to address even full professors by their first names, at least outside of the classroom.

The one exception to all this was an Ed.D. I knew in high school: we were supposed to call him “Doctor.”

“I do find it interesting that both Biden and Trump focus on “higher IQ” rather than saying “I guarantee I’m smarter than you are” or something similar in meaning.’

It’s the influence of all the IQ nerds and HBD fetishists that congregate on Unz. Interesting how the “high IQ” types turn out to be Clintons or Trumps or Bidens. It’s almost as if IQ had nothing to do with competence or even being a decent human being.

He doesn’t actually have more hair, but his hair has been redistributed. He has more hair on the top of his head due to transplanting, but less in the donor area where the transplanted follicles came from (probably the back of his head).

Buffalo Joe wrote:

Richard, good practice to calls cops, “Officer”, seems to smooth the interaction.

My father gave us “The Talk” when we were young and told us to show extreme courtesy to police officers in any situation. He said that if the cop was being a jerk, we should shut up and take it and later bring the matter up with the judge.

They all carry guns and, given the experiences they have on the job, they are prone to get a bit nervous in contentious situations.

I find it amusing that some black folks think only they have “The Talk” with their kids.

You’re describing medical degrees in the US. The point is that they’re academically equivalent to bachelor’s degrees. In the UK and many other countries, medical doctors and surgeons equivalent to those in the US have bachelor’s degrees in medicine or surgery. They learn and train in the same things as American med students. They have identical curricula.

In the US, instead of bachelor’s degrees in medicine, med students earn doctor of medicine degrees, and they have to have a BA and some intro science courses as prerequisites. They’re not academically equivalent to doctoral degrees.

In the UK, the MD degree is more like a real doctoral degree. It’s a postgraduate research degree in medicine. It is like a real PhD in science.

but didn’t the J.D. come first?

No. The traditional American law degree was LL.B. – bachelor of laws, although in most cases those attending law school already had undergrad degrees. At some point (the 1960s) law schools decided to call their degrees JD (Juris Doctor) and even allowed prior grads to upgrade their diplomas. The reason, I was once given to understand, was civil service pay scales which paid more for people with doctoral degrees. However it has never been the custom to call lawyers “doctor” and if you go back for another degree in say taxation after getting your JD, the next degree is a master of laws, LL.M., which makes no sense. And if you want to get a REAL doctorate in law, you have to get an SJD (Doctor of Juridical Science) degree.

It’s the defining mark of the bourgeois that they are terrified of death, and will do anything to avoid it, including dishonor (as opposed to “death before dishonor”)

Hence, only physicians, Doctors of Medicine, are given the honorific of “Dr.”.

In a truly cultured nation, such as pre-War II Germany, academic qualification was socially recognized. Even one’s wife rejoiced in “Frau Dr.” The idea that a Max Weber or Edmund Husserl was “not a real doctor” would be considered absurd, barbaric.

Well, that’s why they had to be destroyed.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotThatKindOfDoctor

Now we’re all just Citizens and Comrades, eh, comrades?

Of course, the Germans also had real academic qualifications, not bullshit degrees in Gender Studies or Oppression Studies.

And you can believe me, because I have a Master’s Degree… in Science!

Yes, Never Trumpers like to call Donald Trump a “buffoon,” while backing a mediocrity known as a “buffoon” for 30 plus years.

I saw the performance above on CSPAN at the time. Funny thing, I was a Democrat and was considering Joe Biden as my preferred candidate for the 1988 nomination. Soon after Biden was laughed out of the race for plagiarizing a Neal Kinnock speech and peddling a phony life story.

I am so sick and tired of public union contracts that award pay raises (higher shares of government spending) to school teachers who accumulate graduate school credit-hours.

This credential racket is a factor in most public employee advancement/compensation. I know a dude who started out as an $8 dollar/hour laborer for the city of North Las Vegas water department. Thirteen years later, just before he was fired, he was earning $110,000 per year, and that was ten years ago. I can only imagine how much he would be earning today if he hadn’t gotten himself fired.

How did he advance? Creeping credentialism. A certificate here, another certificate there. A 2 day seminar every now and then…..No college degrees needed, just simple certifications. Contracts between the labor union and government mandated that his compensation be advanced for every certification earned. Get a government job. Just get a government job and much of life’s anxiety will ease up.

“They spent a year or two taking classes and four or five years working on a research project to get that degree.”

In general, the Bidens seem like people of run-of-the-mill IQs (e.g., Beau, the late Good Son, failed the admittedly tough Delaware bar exam three times) who are insecure about their merely normal brainpower, and overreact embarrassingly.

Pence is at a similar intellectual level, but he’s more modest and his strategy for dealing with it seems to be to take the publicly virtuous Christian route.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-LB-54152

[Pence] tried to enter the Indiana University School of Law, but scored far too low on the admission test. So he spent the next two years traveling to what seemed like every town in the state as an admissions representative for Hanover–gaining a great education about Indiana, he said.

The next whirl at the LSAT placed him in the 84th percentile, and Pence graduated in 1986 with a solid B average. It was tough.

“No one I know likes law school. It was a bad experience. I wouldn’t wish it on a dog I didn’t like,” he laughed.

Some years ago I read an article about John Carlos of 1968 Olympic fame. The writer called Carlos “Dr. Carlos” every other sentence. He apparently obtained a doctorate of some kind.

They should learn how to say “get a physician”. It’s not hard.

How about: “Get a doctor!” Here I am. “NO, I meant a real doctor, a black woman!”

In 1929, Wittgenstein submitted the Tractatus as a Ph.D. thesis at Cambridge, and underwent the formality of an oral examination upon it by Russell and Moore, to the embarrassment of all three of them. According to Braithwaite, Moore’s report to the degree committee concluded: “I myself consider that this is a work of genius; but even if I am completely mistaken and it is nothing of the sort, it is well above the standard required for the Ph.D. degree.”

Amusing, though in fact Moore was an idiot and Wittgenstein a fraud.

Dr. Jill will be the strongest force to keep mental decline Biden in the Presidency. I can see her being hooked into cabinet meetings via squawk box. Kamala is Obama’s stooge. When this duo come after Joe to get him to step aside, look for the battle of the 50ft tall women in DC. Susan Rice will also be in this fray for Obama.

I worked at Purdue, in between my B.A. and starting graduate school, and I was generally (although certainly not universally) popular with both the staff and the faculty, in our department. I became close to a few of the faculty members, occasionally socializing with them off of campus; yet, I always addressed them as “Doctor” rather than familiarly by their given names. It never would have occurred to me to address a random professor by his first name, whether I was an undergraduate, staff member or graduate student. I am sure that many faculty members would have reported me to my superiors, if I had addressed one of the former by his first name, when I was a staff member. “Professor” also was acceptable usage, of course, but I found it more off-putting than “Doctor,” for some reason. Anyway, I even addressed my major professor as “Doctor,” during and after graduate school, even though we had been friends since I first started working in the department. I suppose that it comes down to the way that I had been raised, as a blue-collar boy in Gary, Indiana, more so than what actually was expected of me, by him and the others to whom I was close, during those few years.

Some years ago I read an article about John Carlos of 1968 Olympic fame. The writer called Carlos “Dr. Carlos” every other sentence. He apparently obtained a doctorate of some kind.

They were honorary doctorates, the best kind. Easier than a Bill Cosby Edu PhD

Wikipedia

Carlos was awarded an honorary doctorate from California State University in 2008. In 2012, he was awarded honorary doctorates from his alma maters Texas A&M University-Commerce (formerly East Texas State University) and San Jose State University.

However it has never been the custom to call lawyers “doctor”

What is with that esquire/esq. thing, though? What is going on in the mind of the lawyer that appends esq. to his name?

https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome — Install this extension in Chrome and Brave to read the Wall Street Journal cited up above. Edge too I think. It works for many publications and many paywalls such as WaPost and NYT.

Give it 5 minutes to understand the instructions.
“No More Lockdowns” -Van Morrison ____No more media lockdowns we owe them nothing.

Probably, there’s a fair amount of confusion as to whether The University of Pennsylvania is a private or a public school, and people affiliated with Penn want to let the world know that it’s not a state institution.

“Biden looked like Peter Boyle’s kid brother.”

You noticed that too? I’ve long thought of Biden’s doo as “the Frank Barone.”

Boston, New York, and Philadelphia all have historic districts.

My experience is anyone who gets a doctorate spends a few days making everyone call them, “Doctor.” This was largely just to be a dick about it. Afterwards, the title would be dropped except for siblings and whenever you need to pull rank. (“That’s Dr Jackass to you.”)

Twas certainly the case with my brother’s engineering doctorate. I addressed him as DAHHHK-TORRR Jim for a week until he cried uncle. He tells new colleagues to address him as Jim: If they suddenly begin bleeding all over the place, he warns that all he can do for them is faint.

Whereas he and his peers spent 1-2 years out of industry to do deep-dive technical research, the currently popular scam is to work full time AND do doctoral research, with the lie-agreed-upon than the candidate has the energy and focus for advanced research after eight hours at the day job. Yeah, right.

My brother also regarded his crowning achievement as getting the paper summarizing his dissertation published in an IEEE Transactions, post-graduation. One surmises that simply achieving graduation is the consummate and only goal today, with the “Dr. Jackass” immediately following. It’s regression, pure and simple.

Agreed. I have not seen much besides youtube clips of this guy, but he just seems like one overly aggressive son of a bitch way too often. I remember that some guy on his campaign trail up in Ohio (somewhere in the area anyway) asked him a tough question and Biden got in the guy’s face about it. That’s about 180 degrees from the way Ronald Reagan would have handled it.

I ran out of [Agree]s for the day, but a round of them on me for all those who know that the Ed. PhD is a crock.

Are you crazy, are you high, or just an ordinary guy?

Pence’s “dream school” was the law school at the I.U. campus in Indianapolis, not the law school at the main campus in Bloomington. Although I scored much better, forty years ago, than Pence’s second outing on the L.S.A.T., I had the same reaction to law school: I knew before my first academic quarter was over that I never wanted to practice law; only exigent circumstances, after I had taken the bar exam to kill the summer after graduation, led me to practice law for a few years. Unlike Pence, I did know someone who liked law school; my oldest brother had encouraged me to go, after my girlfriend had pushed me in that direction, instead of continuing on for my Ph.D., as I originally had planned.

When the Ivy knives come out ..

I was once at a restaurant table with a couple of Ivies. In due course the waiter informed us that his job was part of his program at Cornell’s College of Hotel Management.

That prompted my dinner companions to mention their alma maters, whereby the waiter immediately expressed his delight at serving fellow Ivies.

Once the waiter left, my dinner companions quickly and indignantly pointed out that CCHM was not Ivy League.

Thanks for the info.

Richard, good practice to calls cops, “Officer”, seems to smooth the interaction.

Yes, a primate thing. You’ve acknowledged their status/dominance, whether you really believe in it or not. Cops encounter a lot of people who want to argue with them, and a few who want to fight them, so by calling them “Officer” or “Sir” you’re signalling that you’re not going to be one of those people. They can then relax a little and are more likely to let you go with a warning, assuming you were stopped for some minor infraction. It doesn’t always work, but it works lot more often than challenging their authority.

The same thing is true in work situations. I used to know a guy who had been fired several times, mostly from working class jobs where a certain amount of blunt honesty is accepted. He said that he finally realized that he needed to let his boss be his boss.

Well, to be frank, I draw the line at referring to Joe as “Mr. Biden”. It’s kind of like calling a donkey “Mister”.

So, he’s definitely a dummy, I.Q.-wise. But… pretty darned successful, right? So… discuss. Thx.

Somewhat OT. But the following will openly disenfranchise deserving and genuinely qualified whites with science PhD degrees, and deny them equal treatment under the law.

The NIH style of religious fanaticism:

“So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.”

Your tax dollars at work. From this week’s edition of the NIH Guide (to extramural research funding):

NIH Faculty Institutional Recruitment for Sustainable Transformation (FIRST) Program: FIRST Cohort
https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-RM-20-022.html

NIH Faculty Institutional Recruitment for Sustainable Transformation (FIRST) Program: FIRST Coordination and Evaluation Center
https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-RM-20-023.html

Some excerpts from the first of these two funding solicitations:

The purpose of the FIRST Cohort is to transform culture at NIH-funded extramural institutions by building a self-reinforcing community of scientists committed to diversity and inclusive excellence (defined below). Implementing and sustaining cultures of inclusive excellence within the program has the potential to be transformational for biomedical research at the awardee institutions and beyond. This community will be built through recruitment of a diverse group of early-career faculty who are competitive for an advertised research tenure-track or equivalent faculty position and who have demonstrated strong commitment to promoting diversity and inclusive excellence.

The program will test the primary hypothesis that a cohort model of faculty hiring, sponsorship, continual mentoring, and support for professional development, embedded within an institution implementing evidence-based practices to create academic cultures of inclusive excellence, will achieve significant improvements in metrics of institutional culture and scientific workforce diversity. Evidence supports that diversity positively impacts scientific discovery through improved problem-solving, innovation, prediction, evaluation, verification, and strategization (Page SE, 2017; Page SE, 2007). Implementing and sustaining cultures of inclusive excellence within the program has the potential to be transformational for biomedical research at the awardee institutions and beyond. In addition, the program will test the impact of the cohort on institutional culture change. Implementing and sustaining cultures of inclusive excellence at a range of academic institutions has the potential to be transformational for the biomedical research workforce.

Establishing and maintaining scientific environments that can cultivate and benefit from a full range of talents is not only essential for the quality and impact of science, but it is also a matter of good stewardship of federal funds to ensure that the most talented researchers are recruited, supported, and advanced to become competitive research investigators. This initiative defines inclusive excellence consistent with the work of Williams et al., (2005) as the act of establishing hallmarks of excellence and organizational effectiveness; operationalizing inclusion across organizational functions; and creating education and professional development processes that have diversity, equity, and inclusion at their core. Achieving inclusive excellence at the national level must be preceded by transformation at the institutional level, through broad adoption of enhanced diversity of faculty and culture change, creating a welcoming environment to recruit and retain scientific talent. Thus, inclusive excellence hinges on both enhancing diversity and inclusion, as well as institutional culture change.

Elevating social Lysenkoism to a state religion is now official US Government policy. Pathetic.

Forty years ago, doctors ran hospitals. Doctors were like commissioned officers in the military; they gave the orders and took responsibility, they didn’t recognize authority outside their command structure. I met senior physicians at informal gatherings who, once they determined that I was not a physician, literally dismissed me from their minds. You were of no interest, and no account, regardless of your Professional and Administrative salary grade. I wasn’t insulted; that was just how the game worked. If you wanted authority in a hospital, you went to medical school, just like guys who wanted authority aboard a naval ship went to Annapolis.

PhDs didn’t want to be called “doctor” because it would be like they were faking having more authority than they really had. Imagine what people would say – is that guy a narcissistic moron?

(Sir) Ben Kingsley apparently did use to insist on people calling him ‘Sir Ben’. And got pretty widely mocked for it in the British press.

I have not seen much besides youtube clips of this guy, but he just seems like one overly aggressive son of a bitch way too often. I remember that some guy on his campaign trail up in Ohio (somewhere in the area anyway) asked him a tough question and Biden got in the guy’s face about it.

Joe wanted him to step outside, or maybe under the bleachers. Too bad no one has ever taken him up that. There are other doctoral traditions….

Dr. Jill will be the strongest force to keep mental decline Biden in the Presidency.

Good to know. We need to amp up our knowledge of the power behind the throne (moles from Xi Jingping land? Hunter’s drug buddies?)

But did “Dr.” Jill sign off on Kamalallah for VP? Maybe should have went with Tim Kaine, LOL.

The origins of esquire date to the Middle Ages, when it was a title conferred on candidates for knighthood in England. Later, the term was extended to other mid-level dignitaries, including sheriffs, sergeants, justices of the peace and “barristers at law.”

In the United States, esquire over time came to refer “commonly and exclusively” to lawyers, stated the opinion, but how that happened is a mystery.

https://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/tussle_over_titles/

The shorter version is that in the US it’s just the honorific title you give to lawyers just as MDs are called “doctor”.

I was taught that OTHER people may address you by appending Esq. to your name but that you should never refer to yourself that way.

It means he’s into fancy suits and expensive stereo systems.

Boston, New York, and Philadelphia all have historic districts.

But do they label them such? Do they feel inferior to Rome and Athens? If you really are historic, people already know.

Actually, too many of NYC’s neighborhoods take names from London. “Soho” is the most annoying.

No, of course it is not a standard. Quite the contrary – in fields where brains matter, nobody pays any attention that one went through the motions of getting a PhD. It is universally understood that it’s a formal requirement in career advance, that’s all.

In my >30 years as a PhD nobody ever called me Dr other than in jest, nor I have ever heard any of my peers referring to themselves as Drs. Pretty much the same as no sane lawyer (Juris Doctor) insists on being called Dr.

And Jill Biden is an Ed.D – that’s got to as big a joke as all those “doctors” in women and race studies.

Biden crammed a startling number of lies into that rant, doing it with a smile and projecting total confidence. That’s psychopathic liar territory.

No one I know likes law school.

You don’t go to law school to have fun. You go there to learn about the law. I guess how much you like it depends on how much you like learning about the law and how good you are at it. It’s certainly challenging but a challenge can be fun, at least if you are not in over your head. Is skiing down a double black diamond ski slope fun? If you are really good at skiing it’s fun but if you’re not then it’s utterly terrifying. I’m reminded of what my daughter said when my wife asked her if she liked MIT after her first semester there. She said that she liked it but that it’s not for everyone.

Wikipedia gives remarkably short shrift to Pence’s short legal career. I don’t get the feeling that the law was for him.

So… discuss. Thx.

At least Dr. Johnson and Dr. Franklin had each made contributions sufficient to justify such a degree.

The purpose of the FIRST Cohort is to transform culture at NIH-funded extramural institutions by building a self-reinforcing community of scientists committed to diversity and inclusive excellence (defined below). Implementing and sustaining cultures of inclusive excellence within the program has the potential to be transformational for biomedical research at the awardee institutions and beyond.

And so it will be. It will transform them from good research institutions into bad research institutions.

That prompted my dinner companions to mention their alma maters, whereby the waiter immediately expressed his delight at serving fellow Ivies.

Once the waiter left, my dinner companions quickly and indignantly pointed out that CCHM was not Ivy League.

You should have excused yourself on some pretense, and then told the waiter exactly what your dinner companions said. And then remind him exactly what it was that you ordered.

I meant formally designated historic districts, not just old neighborhoods. Designating them in this way introduces greater regulation as to what architectural changes may be made in that area. It may also bring in money for upkeep and restoration from institutional sources, foundations, etc.

If Boston and New York feel inferior to Rome with regard to historical architecture, it is with good reason. There is no way that any city in the New World can compete with Rome, Paris, or Venice in terms of architectural history.

That’s right – Jill Biden is a college teacher and so her undergrad (community college) students call her Dr. Biden. That’s normal.

But that’s where it should end. I don’t know whether the “doctor” thing is being driven by Jill herself or by the staff. I suspect the latter. ( Conversely, during the campaign, they insisted on calling the VP “Jobiden” and not by any title – apparently “Jobiden” polled the best. ) I think it has to do with Dem insecurity about the status of women and they feel by reciting the title it raises her status – instead of just a schoolteacher/mom, which is what she really is (not that there is anything wrong with that), you should know that she is a DOCTOR. I saw the same thing during the Kavanaugh hearings – instead of calling his crazy accuser Christine Ford or Ms. Ford she was constantly referred to by the Dems at the hearings (and their shills on TV) as Doktor-Professor Christine Blasey Ford, Ph.D. because they thought that would make her seem more credible. Based upon my knowledge of academics, especially psych professors, it just confirmed to me that she was mentally unstable like a lot of them are.

On the archived Obama White House web page she is called “Dr. Jill Biden” so this crap goes back a while:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/jill-biden

On her page she is referred to as Dr. Biden or Dr. Jill Biden 17 times on one short web page. It’s tiresome, especially for someone who only has an Ed.D.

I remember someone telling the story, on television, that he once had gotten onto an elevator where the only person already in it was Henry Kissinger. The storyteller had said, “Hello, Mr. Kissinger!” The heavily accented-but-deadpan response had been, “DOCTOR Kissinger!”

I’m sorry. DOCTOR War Criminal.

I can believe it. Other real names I’ve heard are Roshonda, Shakwenda and Danetter. That last one was a client of mine. I called her Danette, which I thought from her signature was her actual name. She corrected me.

Doctor David Duke…

Off off topic — “Dr.” Jill has a petite nastiness I find attractive.

In his defense, this is probably the only football story the disproportionately large number of lesbian college presidents have read in the last decade.

The Bidens. According to the Encyclopedia Britanica, the Bidens are “a group of fraudsters working the area between Scranton, Pennsylvania and the Delaware basin. They are responsible for petty theft, pedophilia, grand theft, shoplifting, prostitution, political corruption and drug abuse.”

Hunter Biden is a crack addict. Both Jill and Joe Biden have benefited financially by Hunter’s activities selling political access to foreign players. Hunter has been treasonous and the penalty for treason is death. So, there’s that. Chances are high that Jill Biden performed certain favors allowing her to reach the dizzying heights of doctor of education.

I’ll say from a rather neutral position on Donald Trump, that Joe Biden is a horror. An individual with not a single authentic position on any topic, other than that which will benefit him personally in one way or another. A lifetime political parasite, having done not a single moment of actual productive work during his entire life on Earth.

The best that can be said about Joe, is that he won’t last much longer. With his passing, his family members will be easy prey for ambitious prosecutors. But then there is Kamala. The Indian Goddess of total, ruinous, fire, death and destruction….

The only thing you have to pass to get one of these degrees is a credit check.

Some NHS Consultants get very huffy if addressed as “Dr”; the preferred style is usually “Mr/Miss/Ms”, with “Dr” being a lower form of life: no cited papers, surgical techniques developed or hundreds of successful operations behind them, etc.

“ it is still a lot of work that most people couldn’t handle.”

When you meet, or worse, have to work with one of these doctors or, in my case, MBAs, with a degree from an effective diploma mill, you will learn that many profit seekers are working overtime to solve the unmanageable work load problem you describe. From my investigation it was revealed that my erstwhile credentialed associate received his degree from a place where the coursework was comprised of reading power point presentations.

This article gives you some sense of the situation albeit written about undergrad degrees.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/06/in-the-basement-of-the-ivory-tower/306810/

Or “Doctor of Journalism”

Mr. Biden acknowledged that in the testy exchange in New Hampshire, he had lost his temper. ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.” Mr. Biden’s questioner had made the query in a mild tone, but provoked an explosive response from Mr. Biden.

This is from back when the press weren’t on his side, I guess: his response was hardly “explosive”. This makes it sound like he went absolutely nuts.

Also, isn’t it weird how he was a peevish nimrod in 1988, in the prime of his life, but in his 70’s, with dementia apparently starting to set in, he became more charismatic than Trump, Obama, Bill Clinton or JFK

Medical doctors have appropriated and monopolized the “Dr.” title

Here in Portugal anyone who has a university degree is entitled to be called “Doutor” (or Doutora). It’s presumably because in the “old days” university degrees in Portugal were extraordinarily rare — if I had gone to school in Portugal, obligatory schooling would have been to age 9.

Biden’s statement sounded like a well-rehearsed pat answer that he had prepared for when anybody questioned his intellect. So it was a well-rehearsed pack of lies.

I suspect Epstein, coming from an older Jewish generation in which your fond family always pushed you to be a either a doctor or a lawyer, feels strongly that Dr. should be reserved for the medical profession, because using Dr. was a quiet Jewish way of bragging you had a son who was both smart and rich. Jews have always been snippy about anyone non-doctor who calls themselves by the title because they wanted to reserve it for bragging.

But it also shows an utter lack of knowledge about academia. In academia, you don’t use your title much in conversation, but it’s all over the paperwork.

Being scornful about a PhD shows a real lack of class. Anyone who made their way through the whole PhD process deserves the title if they want to use it.

Nurses have agitated for the right to be called “doctors” in clinical settings by earning a “doctorate” in nursing practice (not a Ph.D. in nursing): https://onlinenursing.duq.edu/blog/whats-up-doc-addressing-dnp-educated-nurses-as-doctor/

Then again, chiropractors call themselves “doctors” in “healthcare,” so… frankly, it’s a big joke and a giant insult to those with MDs.

Yet another reason the vast majority of physicians discourage their own children from studying and entering medicine, which has become a low morale profession (declining income, lower autonomy, higher degree of regulatory control, massively more paper work, constant fear of litigation, less prestige, etc.).

Dr. King?

Apart from the lack of hair. I’d completely forgotten about that. (And I’m bald!)

It’s when they’re stupid enough to use it booking a flight and half way across the Atlantic a stewardess comes up and whispers ‘can you help, someone in coach has had a heart attack?’

She’s not only a doctor, she’s a bodyguard.

Pretty common in UK, bigger supermarkets have a security guard at the door with one of those clicky counting things.

Trump didn’t even take his SATs. What more needs to be said?

Trump was done in more by hiring friends instead of competent people. There is something admirable about elevating a 4th rate lawyer like Cohen to be your personal but at a certain level it just becomes dangerous once you become president.

Worst staffing mistake was jettisoning Bannon.

Your average plumber, auto mechanic 0r fireman would score a standard deviation higher on a IQ test than one of these frauds.

I wouldn’t consider Penn a second-rate Ivy at all, I think they just get tired of being confused with a certain cow college in central PA.

It has truly been said that Political Correctness is a war on Noticing. (As well as on Remembering, but that’s not the issue here.) Anyone half lucid would have picked up on the “Dr. Biden” bit long ago, but we were forbidden from Noticing.

I Noticed because I flipped the bird at PC decades ago. I actually originally thought she might be an MD, and when I found out the truth it evoked both horse laughs and nausea in me, to quote Tom Wolfe. (That their relationship’s start may well have a very, very sordid aspect just evokes nausea.)

Back when I graduated law school- with a JD, or course- I told a friend to smack me if I ever insisted on “Dr.” And the same is true for Ed.D.s as well. The fact that so many people who would scorn an Ed.D. any other day are so worked up about this, calling it, incredibly, “sexism,” only goes to show how political the whole contretemps is, and how deep PC culture has infiltrated.

Basically, if you’re not an MD, DDS, or PhD, you don’t get to insist on “Dr.”, and if you are one of those- particularly the last- and insist on it in a non-professional setting, you’re a jerk. (Not that PhDs mean much on their own. There’s been exactly one US president with a PhD, and he was a fascist disaster.) This brings to mind the incident back in the Bush years when Lawrence Summers got into a fight with Cornell West (and Henry Louis Gates) and people began noticing that in the New York Times, it was always “Mr. Summers” (who has a PhD in economics) and “Dr. West” (PhD, African-American Studies). People wondered if it was racism, anti-racism, condescension, or what. The Times told the truth: They give the “Dr.” to physicians and dentists, and everyone else based on their choice. Summers didn’t care (nor would Condoleeza Rice), while West, not surprisingly, did.

(By the way, I’m married to a PhD, in psychology, who does use it at work, and never outside it.)

There’s a scene in the movie Best in Show where Fred Willard’s character is interviewing Bob Balaban’s character:

“We’re here with Dr. Millbank, President of the Mayflower Kennel Club. Doctor, let me ask you something. I got a little bursitis in my shoulder. Do you recommend heat or cold?”

“I’m not that kind of doctor.”

“I know that. I’m just kidding. He’s not that kind of doctor, but he’s got such a good sense of humor, we like to have a few laughs.”

Seriously, someone should go up to Jill Biden and ask about their bursitis. Preferably in Joe’s presence. They would both probably explode. It would be beautiful.

LOL.

I guess every age has its celebrity culture.

I like the quip from Keynes that captures the hype of the day when Wittgenstein showed up at Cambridge:

“Well, God has arrived. I met him on the 5:15 train.”

Telling that then the celebs included Wittgenstein et al; today it is the Kardashians.

All right, bad on the U.S. sawbones guild I suppose, but didn’t the J.D. come first?

No, the juris doctor was atypical until some point after about 1950. The LLB was the order of the day before that. Not sure when law degrees came to be more common than office apprenticeships. In my home town, superior court judges prior to 1920 were generally men who read law. After that, law school was the mode.

I’m sorry. DOCTOR War Criminal.

That’s cute. The only men in uniform he ever commanded were the few seconded to his office staff. Prior to the summer of 1973, almost none of the Foreign Service reported to him either. The only war ongoing during his time in office was one the Nixon crew inherited from the previous administration. The terrain in Indochina was odd, and fighting a counter-partisan war and a conventional war at the same time was something unusual. I take it Harry Truman and Dean Acheson are also on your war criminal list.

In my experience, it is true, although it’s more common that they pad their income with Masters degrees than with doctorates. Masters degrees in education can be completed in about a year and can be done part-time or in the evenings, without any loss of income. There’s more bang for the buck with getting a Masters versus a Ph.D. I’ve observed the same thing with other State agencies. In fact, many of them will pay for the person to get an advanced degree and then will give them a salary increase. That’s not to say that it isn’t always warranted or didn’t take a lot of effort to attain.

I’ve always thought that a teacher should have a degree in whatever subject matter they intend to teach, supplemented with a few psychology course or other general management courses.; e.g., an eighth-grade science teacher should have a degree in some sort of hard science, not education with an “emphasis” on science.

Based upon my knowledge of academics, especially psych professors, it just confirmed to me that she was mentally unstable like a lot of them are.

The vast majority of academic psychologists do not study psychopathology or child development or family relations. The arts-and-sciences faculty I’ve known best allocated two positions (out of the dozen they had at their disposal) to those subdisciplines. Ford was at one time in her life a specialist in child development. She hadn’t at the time she surfaced run any of her own research projects in twenty years. Her name’s on a lot of papers, but never first in the line up. She has done more extensive study in mathematical statistics than is usually the case, so other psychologists bring her on board to crunch the numbers.

She wasn’t credible for a reason no partisan Democrat would acknowledge: they weren’t able to produce evidence that she’d ever in her life been in the same room with the two men she accused. (That and her proven lying about ancillary matters). No amount of title inflation is going to get past that for anyone with a functioning brain. And partisan Democrats didn’t need title inflation to swallow her bilge. The svengalis in the Democratic / media complex switched to propagating the idea that Kavanaugh was an alcoholic who ‘lied’ about his drinking habits when they figured out the sexual assault allegation was one they couldn’t sell to the median voter in Maine or in Alaska. At that point, they put James Roche on the tube. Roche is an architect in San Francisco who shared a dorm suite with Kavanaugh for a four month period in 1983 and 1984 and was in 2018 still enraged with Kavanaugh over banal disputes he Roche had had with the 3d man occupying the suite. You sometimes get the impression the Democratic Party is just a collecting pool of the world’s assholes.

Wouldn’t it depend on the subject? A Ph.D. in physics or chemistry is a lot different than a Ph.D. in early Renaissance British history. The latter is more likely to make the person into a very good plumber.

And at the end we have the biggest lie of all: ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.”

I shared this on another thread, but it’s worth noting how dumb “Dr” Biden is, along with all the TDS sycophants in that thread feigning indignation that Mr Epstein doesn’t worship Jill’s pseudocredentials.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattbramanti/status/1338031367704154112

And the idea that US Senators are all bright is pretty silly. The Feinstein thing is the clearest example, even if she was still sharp back in 1992. We also have Little Marco and that dumb lady from Tennessee to show us just how stupid these people can be. In electoral politics, higher intelligence is probably a liability past a rather low point. Maybe 110. They want midwits in there.

I would not use a lawyer who appended Esq. to his name anymore than I would take advice from Jill Biden.

Considering she went to a public university, I’m sure it is if you know where to look. A few weeks ago I posted the link to Ibram Kendi’s dissertation.

There is no way that any city in the New World can compete with Rome, Paris, or Venice in terms of architectural history.

Oh, really? Nashville has a Parthenon, and Paris, Tennessee, has an Eiffel Tower.

I love the way all of the news stories on Fuller emphasize the absolute NECESSITY of bringing her on to the team, because there JUST WAS NO OTHER CHOICE.

Well teams generally carry two kickers in case one gets hurt in the middle of the game.

You almost never hear about Pence except every four years he wins the VP debate.

I was too lazy/indifferent to watch it.

But to me what Pence needed to do was not “win” but

1) Wrap the Democrat riots around the Democrats. (And relate this to the importance of rule-of-law and our lives, freedom and prosperity.)

2) Wrap “blood libel against white people” around Kamala and make her, and her presence on the ticket absolutely toxic. (This was electorally critical because Biden himself was running as return-to-normalcy mediocre white guy and had less of a negative profile than Hillary, especially to midwestern white guys. As turned out–fatally–to be the case.)

Having not seen the debate, i assume Pence while “winning” did neither of these.

This is sadly par for the course for Republicans. Instead of directly attacking the destructive minoritarian evil of the Democrats as … destructive minoritarian evil, they try for some namby-pamby we’re responsible and aren’t the bad folks they say.

Since they neve confront and name the evil and destruction the parasite party is doing, they never get most people actually *thinking* about the what is being served up. (The mad as hell people have figured it out for themselves.) They are just the boring stodgy alternative and continue to lose.

Penn is an Ivy League school. Now are you mixing up Penn State, who awhile a back purchased Dickinson’s Law School? I never heard Dickinson refer itself as an Ivy school, although it is like a lot of snooty small private colleges with dreams of grandeur. Funny thing is they needed the money from the sale of their law school. As for Penn State, it is PA’s land grant university. Thoroughly worthless these days as a land grant, which is very sad since at one time it was exceptional. It as definitely has become considerably pretentious in its attitude since I went there.

The educated have become the American version of aristocrats. Just ask them. So the little serf just needs to respect the title, and not question their betters.

On The Critic Kareem Abdul-Jabbar recognized Jon Lovitz’ PhD. (skip to 0:32 if you are impatient).

Regarding the article about John Carlos I mentioned, the writer inferred the former sprinter had a PHD for one of the most learned dissertations in history.

If you want to avoid batteries and machines, I’ve found that bent chain nose jewelry pliers work well to remove both nose and ear hair.

You should appreciate that the biggest joke is the martial arts instructors who refer to themselves as “professor”, like in http://www.karaho.com

” Professor Chow’s Chinese Kara-ho Kempo Karate”.

LOL

A large majority of UK (and German, and Romanian, and Indian, and Chinese) physicians do not hold a doctorate. Their schooling is slightly longer than a regular bachelor, and they are really bachelors in medicine. I fancy calling myself a doctor too, having gone to college before the Bologna reform and earning a 5-year BSc; it’s as long as a contemporary Romanian MSc or an Indian Bachelor of Medicine.

Someone made the point on Twitter earlier this year that Biden was chosen as Obama’s running mate partly because he was a dumb white guy. The logic being that dumb white guys would be less put out by an articulate, “uppity” black(ish) candidate if a dumb white guy was waiting in the wings. It made sense to me.

“You sometimes get the impression the Democratic Party is just a collecting pool of the world’s assholes.”

Well said. FWIW this is why I left the Democratic Party around 30 years ago.

Or just an ordinary guy…

Doctors were like commissioned officers in the military

When my father enlisted in the army after Pearl Harbor, he had already completed medical school and an internship and so was sent immediately to officer’s training school. He eventually attained the rank of captain. So in the military at that time, doctors were commissioned officers in the military.

Yale Law? What a joke. On Yale. He joined the naval reserves for no reason at the age of 43? Only losers do that.

Mr. Biden acknowledged that in the testy exchange in New Hampshire, he had lost his temper. ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.” Mr. Biden’s questioner had made the query in a mild tone, but…

Hard to believe this crack smoking loser was his father(

Soho is short for “South of Houston”

Doctor Al Stewart weighs in:

Nailed it, but I can’t resist including the story.

An old rancher is talking about politics and compares a politician to a “post turtle.” A listener asks him to explain.

He says, “When you’re driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a post turtle. You know he didn’t get up there by himself. He doesn’t belong there; you wonder who put him there; he can’t get anything done while he’s up there; and you just want to help the poor, dumb thing down.”

I don’t know whether the “doctor” thing is being driven by Jill herself or by the staff. I suspect the latter.

No, it’s the former.

Joe Biden, on the campaign trail, explained that his wife’s desire for the highest degree was in response to what she perceived as her second-class status on their mail.

“She said, ‘I was so sick of the mail coming to Sen. and Mrs. Biden. I wanted to get mail addressed to Dr. and Sen. Biden.’ That’s the real reason she got her doctorate,” he said.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-feb-02-na-dr-jill-biden2-story.html

A hospital is the one place where one should have to be an MD or a DO in order to use the honorific. The consequences are too severe otherwise.

“ The Critic” was a very funny show.

Does anyone want to tell Sarah when men call each other “Champ” and nobody has won a championship it’s a good bet we’re being sarcastic, or do we let her run with it? 🤔

So in the military at that time, doctors were commissioned officers in the military.

Doctors are still commissioned officers in the military, and usually make captain if they do 20 years. Navy captain is the equivalent of full colonel and is where the promotion pyramid starts to get real steep. Most guys can expect to make Lieutenant Colonel if they do 20 years and keep their nose clean.

Captains/colonels usually get some kind of command to see if they are fit for further promotion. Some black woman Obama made a four star commanded a couple of logistic ships.

In ‘42 he was commissioned as a 2nd Lt. and by ‘45 he had only made Cpt?

Who did he piss off?

By Vietnam I think the rule was that doctors go in as captains and quickly make major.

But, rank inflation is such that a guy commanding the latrines can make brigadier.

No, Biden’s poor performance at a 4th rate law school indicates that he is of barely average intelligence, and probably not a real hard worker either….

There is no way that any city in the New World can compete with Rome, Paris, or Venice in terms of architectural history.

Except for Vegas:

I smell a caption contest coming on.

“Get’cha own man, bitch! He mine!”

Worst. Mud. Wrestling. Contest. Ever.

Out, out damned tackiness?

Tacky has always been the Biden family brand – the killer app in a raw democracy – but Jill took things to a whole nother level.

Dr. now equivalent to Lady then for that milieu.

I do like the fun sort of titles that everybody knows are completely fake, like “Kentucky colonols.”

How dare you denegrate Colonel Sanders?

I used to work in a university medical center. It had a dental school appended to it and there might have been a sleep lab psychologist on the premises. These aside, I doubt you could have found a non-medical doctor around. (It was in the era before the Pharm.D. degree was common).

Surprisingly, some gaseous higher ed centers have begun to issue PhDs in journalism. About 25 were awarded in 2018

Sarah Fuller: ‘My male college football teammates call me Champ’

Silly girl doesn’t realize that it’s a joke. She’s a backup kicker on a bad team who’s only good for squibs, PATs and buckets of publicity because vagina. Calling her Champ is perfect, and the guys calling her that know she’s too stupid to get it and she even repeats it to the fawning media. Brilliant.

Will we ever see a bald president again? McCain only went as far as he did on the vet cred, but we all knew he was a destined loser.

Look at the amount of impressive work that went into de-balding Biden. Is it his own horseshoe hair grafted up top? The color and texture blend is impressive. His face is pretty chopped up too, so HD television probably put the vanity of “making a president” on overdrive.

Chuck Schumer also has the fear of being viewed as a bald guy. There is a reason he rarely is shot from behind, he cultivates a Hair-drian Wall for the cameras.

People make fun of Trumps hair, but he never would have been elected if he looked like Lex Luthor (which from Photoshops it really doesn’t look all that bad).

Now I’d say it’s obvious we will never have a bald female president, but who can’t picture us being subjected to a bitter harpy like Ayanna Pressley? Flips the entire World War Hair on its head, no pun.

Not only do white families have The Talk with their children, but our version of The Talk includes instructions on how to deal with NAM’s.

” If intelligence is not restrained by morality it can just as well be used to run scams as to do something useful. ”

Once the waiter left, my dinner companions quickly and indignantly pointed out that [Cornell’s College of Hotel Management] was not Ivy League.

This is reminiscent of Ann Coulter pointing out that Keith Olbermann is an alumnus of the Cornell College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, not the Cornell College of Arts and Sciences (i.e. the real Cornell) like herself.

Well I don’t go around expecting people to call me Doctor in “civilian life”. Except when dealing with the NHS, obviously.

“never the smartest guy in the room”

Clever quips at your expense. But you know they feel a tingle of fear if you look at them a certain way. You know if you approach them in the parking lot with a smile that’s not a smile their quip will gurgle in their gut like acid. Present day Neanderthal snaps smart guy’s neck.

Back in good old Europe, I believe the juris doctors and doctors of theology were first. Then the great umbrella of philosophy. The first medical doctor seems to have appeared in Glasgow 1703, though there seems to have been a medical licensing requirement in some places long before that.

Hunter might be the smartest one of the gang, with a law degree from Yale.

What’s the failure rate once you’re accepted at Yale Law?

It’s the influence of all the IQ nerds and HBD fetishists that congregate on Unz. Interesting how the “high IQ” types turn out to be Clintons or Trumps or Bidens. It’s almost as if IQ had nothing to do with competence or even being a decent human being.

IQ has nothing to do with competence or decency. At least, not directly. IQ is a measure of intelligence. Intelligence is the ability to solve problems.

Basic coverage of IQ can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

Dr. Thompson discusses IQ here at Unz, https://www.unz.com/author/james-thompson/

[My father] was sent immediately to officer’s training school. He eventually attained the rank of captain

While captains are O-3 and outrank First lieutenants and Second lieutenants all Army doctors have this as their rank to start. It isn’t anything to brag about.

Remember, Hawkeye Pierce was a Captain, and the army wasn’t going to promote him. As an aside the Fort Hood shooter was a Major. Also, that happened in 2009 and the fucker still hasn’t been put to death.

Worst staffing mistake was jettisoning Bannon.

I think his continued reliance and trust in Javanka was a worse staffing mistake.

But do they label them such?

Chicago does, and there’s a sign advertising Hyde Park/Kenwood, where I live, painted on the electric commuter RR viaduct over 47th St. near the lake.

This is fine journalism. Thank you.

I would have thought he’d want to be known by his last held title as Secretary Kissinger.

“Tell me what you brag about and I will tell you what you lack.”

Very old saying.

Unless it’s in a STEM field, I always read PhD. as “Phony Doctor”.

Psychopathic nevertheless. He may pack the full suite, or dark triad. A narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic Mr. President.

Doc Jill is such a pill
She’ll make sure ol’ Joe
Does not spill
To Kams and Obe
Who have their knives out
To create their new DC redoubt.

Of 360 degrees blaque-atude
You had better adjust you attitude
White pygmies

In the army, captain is a relatively minor rank. My dad, who was mostly deaf from childhood, was eventually drafted in WWII and also made captain – I think he worked stateside in logistics.

In the US Navy, aboard his ship, the Captain is God Almighty. My uncle was a Navy Captain; he was a formidable individual.

Doctors, dentists and nurses are all officers in terms of rank; they don’t go to any kind of boot camp or officer’s training. In the military, they are staff officers, as opposed to line officers.

I suppose I should have said that in hospitals before 1990, doctors were effectively the line officers; as I said, they had all the authority.

I don’t believe that Martin Borman or Alfred Rosenberg ever commanded any soldiers either, and yet the Nuremberg tribunal saw fit to label them as War Criminals.

The moment I hit “publish comment”, I knew that you – Art Deco – would reply to my comment, flying to the defence of Dr. New-World-Order. You are such a dutiful and predictable drone.

Correction: I meant Julius Streicher, not Alfred Rosenberg.

Yeah, sounds about right. I don’t think he ran it past any sharp consultants, though — especially the “I probably have a higher IQ than you”, and the “bottom 2/3 of my class”.

Gerald Ford gave Dan Rather a better answer, less dramatic and more thoughtful. I don’t remember if it was before or after Nixon’s resignation, and I can’t find it now on Youtube.

Anyway, Rather asked something like, “Some people, um, question whether you are, um, intellectually up to the Presidency.” Ford replied that he did well in his law school class at Yale (and maybe something else along those lines). Without getting belligerant, much less insulting Rather, Ford made Rather look pretty ridiculous.

And we all remember how Rather blew up his own career (over the fake Bush Air National Guard letter) when he mistook the output of a laser printer for that of a 1960s typewriter!

Wouldn’t it depend on the subject? A Ph.D. in physics or chemistry is a lot different than a Ph.D. in early Renaissance British history. The latter is more likely to make the person into a very good plumber.

You must not know very many plumbers.

I remember my high school principal admonishing me that if I didn’t straighten up I’d never get into a good college. Since I was already in trouble I resisted the urge to comment on his college diploma hanging on the wall behind him. It was from North Carolina Appalachian State Teachers College!

In fairness to the high school principal he did go on to become Superintendent of Schools for Fairfax County which is about as prestigious a post as one can aspire to in public education so. despite his alma mater’s lack of prestige, he rose to the top of his field.

WSJ op-ed writer critical of ‘Dr.’ Jill Biden gets canceled by Northwestern University.

https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/12/13/wsj-op-ed-writer-critical-dr-jill-biden-gets-canceled-northwestern-university/

That didn’t take long.

To prevent another Jesse Jackson event?

As far as I know, New York City does not have any per se listed “historical” district!

My brother in law told me about how he managed to secure the house plot he and his wife (my sister) had been after. They’d been tracking the release of plots by the developers and had set their hearts on a site with open views on the south and west sides and one morning after coming off night shift – a busy shift for the Fire Service – had checked the online site and BINGO! the plot was free to be reserved on payment of £50 deposit at the development office on-site. BIL jumps in car with wallet and chequebook and speeds off over to the site office around five miles away and as he screeches to a halt in front of the site office, a traffic cop pulls up beside him and starts to tell him about the speeding, the non-functioning brake light on the left etc etc.

The BIL acknowledged what the cop was saying and said “OK. Write it all up. Whatever you want. Whatever you do is fuck all compared to what she [sister] is going to do if I don’t make the deposit right now. Can we sort this out when I come back out?” The cop agreed.

On coming back out the cop was gone. And no ticket.

Your average plumber, auto mechanic 0r fireman would score a standard deviation higher on a IQ test than one of these frauds

I know in modern America it is declasse to make fun of people who work with their hands, but most of them aren’t particularly bright. An IQ test tends to correlate with those skills that lead to success in the classroom. Plumbers, auto mechanics, and firemen became those things because they hate school.

Wouldn’t their mail be addressed to Senator and Doctor Biden?

Of course Penn is a second-rate Ivy, unless you consider them to be at a level of Harvard, Princeton, or Yale.

For many years Chicago public school teachers would attend Chicago State University. Now that’s a school with a dodgy reputation. Teachers would get their Masters Degrees at CSU because was it was affordable and the course work was easy. The student teachers didn’t have to do a lot of writing. Last I heard Chicago State was endangered of losing it’s accreditation.

Boy. Biden just can’t control himself in public, can he? Neither his hands nor his lies. That anecdote about his wife sounds like “my Dad told me back in 1880 that two gays kissing each other on the street was just love”.

The source for this is his disgruntled niece.

Plumbers, auto mechanics, and firemen became those things because they hate school.

All of the above, presently and in recent times, have has to spend a fair amount of time in a classroom, and for the firemen, also studying for promotional exams.

Neither Harvard nor Princeton nor Yale is all they’re cracked up to be.

Back when I graduated law school- with a JD, or course- I told a friend to smack me if I ever insisted on “Dr.”

As they should have, as the proper honorific for lawyers is esquire, not doctor. However, the rest of your post is a non sequitur.

Basically, if you’re not an MD, DDS, or PhD, you don’t get to insist on “Dr.”

I hate to break this to you, but there is no practical difference between a PhD and an EdD. Therefore, if PhD’s can insist on the honorific of doctor, so can EdD’s. I call my dentist “doctor” when I’m in his office, but it would be silly to call a dentist one socially.

And we all remember how Rather blew up his own career (over the fake Bush Air National Guard letter) when he mistook the output of a laser printer for that of a 1960s typewriter!

Yes, some ideas are so dumb that only a journalist can believe them. Us lay people looked at that letter and saw it was a fraud at first glance.

So how quickly are we to read an article by some journo-sleuth about the details of Dr. Jill’s path breaking dissertation on community college students?

Had this flap been about someone in the Trump or GOP orbit, the plagiarism search engines would already be overheating. I suspect they’d find something there too.

Maybe they are holding it for their Sunday editions.

I read the original WSJ op-ed and it was very mild and not at all snarky or bullying. So it wasn’t done by a leftist to be sure. The author’s main point (and something everyone who is halfway intelligent already knows) is that in academia, non medical “doctors” don’t call themselves “Dr.”

Many attorney’s are also “juris doctors” (doctors of law, technically, for some reason) but I know of none who style themselves “Dr.” so and such. It is an affectation done only by those lacking in actual self respect. In Europe (especially in the German tradition of credential-ism) it is common for non medical doctors, Ph.Ds to call themselves “Doctor so-and-so.” Not here.

When you see that in the US it is usually done by insecure, rather dim people whose doctorates are from schools of divinity or as in this case education or other social work. “Look Ma, I’m a real doctor!”

Dr. Biden is going to give us the news for 4 years. Agony doesn’t being to describe the prospect.

Meanwhile, Robert Palmer should be called Dr. Dr. with his incredible vocal control, probably among others kinds of control he exhibited, given these great lines in the song.

I know you like it, you like it on top
Tell me mamma, are you gonna stop?

Go here
youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7WyP_qCZk

All of the above, presently and in recent times, have has to spend a fair amount of time in a classroom

So do literal retards.

the firemen, also studying for promotional exams

Who get the correct answers passed down to them from their uncles. Also, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Neither Harvard nor Princeton nor Yale is all they’re cracked up to be.

And plumbers, auto mechanics, and firemen are intelligent because they spend “a fair amount of time in a classroom”?!

Boy those grapes must be really sour, huh?

She said his sister offered this tidbit. It turns out that the person Maryanne Trump named met him at the Wharton School and there’s no reason to believe they were ever acquainted before that. The two families did not live near each other and the two men were enrolled in different high schools. So, Mary L. Trump retreats to a position that it must have been some other ‘Joe Shapiro’, which she insists is a common name in New York. (It actually is not that common).

Just to point out her legal dispute with her family was not contra her uncle alone, but contra three of her father’s four siblings. (The fourth, her aunt Elizabeth, gets a drive-by in her memoir as well). Her brother has said publicly and for attribution that he wants no trouble with his uncle. She was invited to some of the inaugural festivities. And she gaslighted her aunt into cutting up her uncle while surreptitiously recording the woman for 18 hours.

I hate to break this to you, but there is no practical difference between a PhD and an EdD. Therefore, if PhD’s can insist on the honorific of doctor, so can EdD’s.

Define ‘practical difference’.

Again, ‘education’ is not an authentic discipline and schools of education attract bloody clots. Also, see ED Hirsch on the chronic problems from which research in education suffers.

Despite my handle (which refers to a couple of things other than the fact that I do have an academic doctorate) I never made anyone call me “Doctor” — I preferred “Professor.”

Yes, but did you ever build a creature?

Define ‘practical difference’

First, tell me what the difference is between the two degrees.

It isn’t anything to brag about.

In case it isn’t clear, I wasn’t bragging.

It was not Dan Rather; it was Tom Brokaw. NBC broadcast the interview in prime time on January 23, 1975.

I’m pretty good at tracking down old television newscasts. Unfortunately, I can’t locate the video of this particular broadcast. Here is a transcript:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/interview-with-john-chancellor-and-tom-brokaw-nbc-news

MR. BROKAW. I have a question, Mr. President, that–it just isn’t easy to phrase, so I will just have to bear straight ahead with it. As you know, I am certain, because I have been told that you have commented on this before, but it has been speculated on in print not only in Washington but elsewhere, and it crops up in conversation from time to time in this town–the question of whether or not you are intellectually up to the job of being the President of the United States. When you hear that kind of talk or read that in print, does it bother you?

THE PRESIDENT. It really doesn’t, Tom. And I suppose people wonder why it doesn’t bother me. My answer is as hard as the question that you asked.

If grades one gets in school are a criteria–and we have been doing it for years and are still doing it–whether I was in high school or at the University of Michigan or at Yale Law School, I was always in the upper third or the upper 10 percent of my class.

Now, if I don’t have the academic capability–being in either the upper third at Yale Law School or in the upper 20-some percent at the University of Michigan-there must be an awful lot of people much dumber than I.

Now, I don’t think that is the only way by which you judge people. I think grades are important, judgment is a pretty important factor, and a capability on the part of a person to work, to analyze problems is equally important.

And I think the fact that I have done reasonably well, both in Congress, in first getting there, and number two, in getting to be a leader and retaining that post for five elections among my peers as a Member on our side of the aisle–I think that does show some feeling on the part of responsible people that I have the capability of doing the job.

I worked in a research center hospital, and there were plenty of PhDs in the various associated life sciences in the labs and ICUs, as well as nuclear medicine (radiology, medical imaging). But you’re right, except for ICUs I saw them mostly in meetings where we all argued over facilities.

I graduated from a respectable state co-flagship school in chemical engineering. You routinely engage in the kind of snobbery that is characteristic of the Left, although that does not make you a Leftist. My school (Iowa State) is not in the same category as HYP, but a respectable case can be made that it is not as far behind as is widely assumed.

Snobbery may be unpleasant but that doesn’t make it misguided.

First, tell

Why, first?

https://www.ohio.edu/education/ed-studies/ed-admin-doctorate

Here’s a sample program from Ohio University. NB, Ohio University and Miami University are Ohio’s oldest public institutions. In re their undergraduate programs, Ohio University’s entering classes tend to complete their degrees more rapidly than the ordinary run of Ohio institutions, trailing only Miami University and Ohio State.

You’ll notice the following:

Most of the degree consists of course work, but they’ve hidden the course list. The dissertation as described appears to be more along the lines of a master’s thesis. Note, for an academic research degree, you’re advancing some sort of branch of knowledge – you’re either studying the natural world, or you’re studying texts, or you’re studying human behavior and society. Outside of the arts and sciences, engineering schools and medical schools offer research degrees. Here, you’re aspiring to advance knowledge in an area with a body of practitioners.

Alternatively, professional doctorates are offered for certification of practitioners in demanding occupations. Conventionally, these programs offer a minimum of 85 credits of course work and commonly do not admit students without a BA degree.

1. There is no indication that the degree program trains an aspirant practitioner for what school administrators actually do all day.

2. It’s isn’t clear just what they’re studying. Cognition? Communications? Social relations?

“In a truly cultured nation, such as pre-War II Germany”

Oh, shut up! Just shut up! I’m so sick of all the fetishizing of those sweet, saintly and oh-so-cultured Germans. Have you lived in Germany? Sprechen sie Deutsch? No??

For your information, we owe all of this absurd degree and title inflation to the Germans and Johns Hopkins adopting their Ph.D system. The English didn’t have them. Did that stop James Clerk Maxwell, Charles Darwin, or Newton? What a joke- Sir Isaac Newton, Ph.D!! Ha! But you don’t know any of that because you bought into all of the dumb Unz Review German propaganda.

“I think the Ph.D system is an abomination.” -Freeman Dyson

but I ain’t no senator’s son.

Trump arriving at The Villages Florida 10/23/20 in Marine One

I appreciate your sentiment, AD. But, preserving the original principles is no longer an option. I never liked fighting and am too old to fight at any rate, but the original principles, while valid, are no longer virile. Decades in forestry have taught me that sometimes it’s best to burn it down. As I’ve said before, white people don’t reproduce well under shade. Maybe you can thin the forest, but that’s not possible with human populations. SCOTUS made its decision. States no longer have the right to demand that their peer states behave responsibly. We either age corruptly, as aging bodies do, or the younger bodies burn it down. But once the fire begins it will burn hot and long, and the land will be scorched and open to seed. How confident are you that the sown seed will pass your inspection?

A controversial opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal suggested that Dr. Jill Biden — who holds a doctorate in education and uses the doctor honorific as many in academia do — should drop her title. https://t.co/NuuPdKy7Gc

— The New York Times (@nytimes) December 14, 2020

Apologies to any Penn grads here, but if your context for comparison is ‘the Ivies’, then Penn is the very definition of second-rate. The Penn name simply does not compare with HPY in terms of international rankings/recognition.

I hate to break this to you, but there is no practical difference between a PhD and an EdD.

This is simply not accurate.

A PhD is a true research degree, with the expectation that the candidate will make some kind of original contribution to the field.

An EdD is a ‘professional’ degree, which in practice means the research requirements are drastically reduced. An EdD thesis is in practical terms usually more on the scale of an (perhaps somewhat extended) MA thesis, not a PhD dissertation.

I’ve worked in higher ed for 30 years, and at different points considered both PhD and EdD programs, but decided (thankfully) not to pursue either. I’m pretty familiar with how they work.

That’s not to say that PhD programs can’t be dumbed down; of course they can, and are. But there really are no highly-rigorous EdD programs. That’s not what they’re meant to be. An EdD therefore is not respected nearly as much as a PhD within the academy.

Law school is not like some undergrad studies major. The tests are graded anonymously and they don’t hesitate to flunk you out if your grades fall too low.