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Why did Sheldon C. Francis murder octogenarians Paul and Lidia Marino while they were visiting their son’s grave at a veteran’s cemetery in Delaware on May 8, 2020?

Did it have anything to do with the vastly publicized arrest of two white men the day before in the death of jogger/prowler Ahmaud Arberry after he grabbed the man’s gun?

Ten weeks later, nobody seems to know or even care about the motives of Francis, who was subsequently killed in a spectacular firefight with police. Did he act out of media-motivated racial revenge? As I asked on May 13:

Imagine that the circumstances were reversed and if on Friday a young white man had hunted down an elderly black couple visiting their son’s grave at a veterans’ cemetery.

The national media would be in full cry over this racist atrocity. President Trump would attend the funeral. The prestige press would demand that whatever web sources of information and opinion the gunman had followed should be, First Amendment or not, permanently exterminated.

But what happens when it’s The Megaphone itself that may have egged on the killer? For example, a search of the New York Times archives finds 104 articles mentioning the name of Ahmaud Arbery so far just in the month of May. …

If your Party controls the media, you can have all these unfortunate events memory-holed, so that you never get confronted with tiresome questions about just how much blood you have on your hands in the murders of elders visiting their son’s grave.

But controlling the media means that you also don’t learn from your mistakes.

 
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  1. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Anon


    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?
     
    If Steve isn't, then I am. It would be instructive to query all his friends with questions such as:

    How did he become so victimized by the two elderly parents that he had to kill them?

    Do you, black person, feel victimized by the (scant) negative publicity?

    What suggestions do you have for white people, Mr/Ms black person so that the next time this occurs (noble black kills eldery white couple) you won't feel so victimized?

    I know this sounds like satire, but in the current climate, I think it could be presented with a straight face. And that, my fellow whitey white whites, would definitely be instructive.
    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Police should check his internet and phone history, texting etc

    , @Currahee
    @Anon

    No one would suggest such an outrageous action as that would be evidence of vicious Nazi racism.

    , @J.Ross
    @Anon

    I hear yuh cuz, but I mean, come on, Steve is off his rocker here, man, I mean, my fellow American who is not a shill, you know, when a white person wrote something twenty years ago he loses his job, but that's a white American; it's not like procedures exist (or are even normative) when the investigated party is white which might be useful here: Come On Steve be reasonable like this anonymous normal guy.
    On all levels except physical I just want to grill.
    [gets shot and there's no need to investigate]

    , @JimDandy
    @Anon

    They had a tell-tale vowel at the end of their name. That's a loud dog-whistle to a certain 20 million Americans. The Italians of Chicago are ready for war. (And the Italian head of the police union has called for Trump to help with reinforcements.)

    https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-protest-last-night-yesterday-grant-park-lori-lightfoot/6324377/

  2. What was that guy’s name who shot 14 cops in Dallas? I doubt one person in a thousand can say. Heck, I doubt very many even remember the incident. Counter-Narrative.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @HammerJack

    What I do remember from that day is that Obama was in Poland talking about how racist white people were.

  3. I was baffled by this news. Thank You for that – thought I was really losing it. It is hard being a half American citizen.

  4. Sometimes a targeted interracial double homicide just doesn’t get much traction.

  5. BTW, I notice that, like Willie Brown and Jackie Lacey’s husband, the late Rep. John Lewis closely resembles Pepe the Frog.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Harry Baldwin

    Please speak no ill of one of our greatest national heroes. I am looking at the front web page of the Washington Post and there are no fewer than 10 stories in honor of St. Lewis, the most hilarious being that Marco Rubio paid tribute to his memory by posting a picture of himself with the late icon. Except that it wasn't - it was a picture of Rubio with a different old black dead Congressman, Elijah Cummings. I guess all mayates look alike.

    There was some talk of renaming St. Louis or at least getting rid of his statue since it turns out that Louis IX was a racist evil guy who was not up to 21st century norms (not surprising since he lived in the Dark Ages). Now the opportunity presents itself - rename it St. Lewis. It's true that St. Lewis had no connection to the city but neither did St. Louis.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  6. I assume for lack of a better way of putting it “he was nuts”…..

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.

    Georgia isn’t like SoCal…..there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers…..thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road…..its that or snakesville….

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Neoconned

    "I’d run like hell too."

    Would you run _at_ the man holding the shotgun?

    Replies: @botazefa, @Neoconned

    , @Lot
    @Neoconned

    Dindu nuttin good boy etc.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RmbadxRII

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @indocon

    , @BenKenobi
    @Neoconned

    You are hereby banned from Vancouver for being a savage and unrepentant philistine. Don't come to my city ever again.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @El Dato
    @Neoconned


    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.
     
    I have no specific information about the prevalence of people being chased by maniacs in trucks with shotguns, Mad Max meets Mississippi Burning style. Does it happen often?

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Neoconned

    Do you jog in Timberland boots too?

    , @Adam Smith
    @Neoconned

    I live in Georgia. I love it, but it's not for everyone.

    I live just a few miles from where they filmed this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0


    Georgia isn’t like SoCal
     
    True. Very true.

    there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers
     
    Also true. No good hiking or nature trails at all. Pit vipers everywhere, but hey, they're delicious, they taste like alligator.

    thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road
     
    Sidewalk? What's that? Sounds interesting.

    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.
     
    We all have shotguns and trucks and spend our time chasing each other around. That's just how we have fun. If we really wanted to kill someone they'd never hear it coming. We all have rifles with silencers for hog hunting. (Silencer are legal here. Gotta protect those ears.) Did you know that if you fire a sub-sonic .308 through a silencer it makes about as much noise as a silenced .22? Running is useless. (Unless you can run faster than 700ft per second.)

    Obviously these boys had no ill intent. If they were planning to kill this boy they would have used a silenced rifle and no one would have ever heard a thing about this Arbery character. The turkey hawks would have picked his bones clean by morning.

    Some people wouldn't want to live here because we use outhouses and don't have electricity, but I love it. I would never want to live in the city.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

  7. I was baffled by this news. Thank You for that – thought I was really losing it. It is hard being a half American citizen. I don’t think it is a cold case…but Biden’s Delaware?!!!!

  8. About as newsworthy as the guy who brandished a rifle at Comet Pizza. There are some things the media would rather not delve into.

  9. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    “I’d run like hell too.”

    Would you run _at_ the man holding the shotgun?

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Steve Sailer

    Charge a gun, run from a knife: Self Defense tip

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/charge-gun-run-knife-self-defense-tip/

    , @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    From the look of the video it was pure adrenaline dictating everything....

    I still without a doubt or bit of shame say the 2 or 3 idiots who chased him should have called the cops. At best they were vigilantes but the dude was literally apparently doing nothing but jogging

    I've read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Anonymous

  10. “People will do what they do”.

  11. You can’t argue with those of religious fervor with facts. Facts do not matter in the face of faith. This has been the case throughout history.

    Revealing hypocrisy and dishonesty is of little value against those with no humility or morality. They laugh at you. Their lies and hypocrisy are tools of humiliation employed against you.

    Hypocrisy is the point.

    • Agree: bomag, David In TN
  12. The media don’t give a damn. He might as well have shot some low-life drug dealer in a turf dispute, rather than an innocent law-abiding couple visiting their son’s grave, for all the interest that was shown in the case. Biden laid a wreath in a nearby veterans’ memorial park two weeks later without even mentioning the double murder.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
  13. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    Dindu nuttin good boy etc…..

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Lot

    Uh oh, that open jacket is gonna get Whiskey all hot and bothered.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? I haven’t seen that said, but consider his being alone with his car out on the grass in a park, dressed like he was, and his aggression against the officer, his wanderings “jogging” in strange neighborhoods, and the way he attacked the man holding a shot gun.

    Replies: @Lot, @El Dato, @Nicholas Stix

    , @indocon
    @Lot

    He looks very high on some kind of a drug?

  14. Steve.by now you should know what is news and what is News.

  15. Speaking of the ol’ memory hole, what were the motives of the Vegas shooter? Even Tucker pledged that he wouldn’t just let that one slink off into obscurity, but…

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Ozymandias

    He shot white people so no one cares.

    Can you imagine if......?

    , @Known Fact
    @Ozymandias

    And has there been any investigative work into the life of the Minneapolis officer who kneed George Floyd? Unless I missed it, shouldn't there by now be a 20,000-word five-reporter NYT probe into "Origin of a Racist?" or some such twaddle?

    Replies: @Jack D

  16. @Lot
    @Neoconned

    Dindu nuttin good boy etc.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RmbadxRII

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @indocon

    Uh oh, that open jacket is gonna get Whiskey all hot and bothered.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @HammerJack

    Nope not a chick. Threat meter in that guy is way up though. Has aspiring rapper all over him. Normal respectable black dudes don't dress like that.

    Lots of Biden stuff in Orange County. Not a White man holding the signs all middle aged White women.

  17. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Ten weeks later, nobody seems to know or even care about the motives of Francis, who was subsequently killed in a spectacular firefight with police. Did he act out of media-motivated racial revenge?

    Steve,

    These are interesting questions. I don’t mean to burden you with additional work, but have you ever been tempted to do reporting on some of the issues you cover? As a journalist, you could probably pick up the phone and call the DA or the police, or the family of the victims.

  18. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    You are hereby banned from Vancouver for being a savage and unrepentant philistine. Don’t come to my city ever again.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @BenKenobi

    Cancel culture comes to iSteve!!

    Ben plz!! I must come back!

    In all seriousness i knew i should have avoided this thread. Years ago i posted on and lurked at both Democrat Underground and Conservative Underground.....anyway at DU they had a gun sub forum called the "Gungeon" where any and all gun topics were relegated....

    I've found the Arbery case sort of like the Zimmerman or any gun debate.....no matter how i come down somebody will find some minor point to strongly agree or disagree with while the main discussion gets diluted or obscured.

  19. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Neoconned

    Dindu nuttin good boy etc.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RmbadxRII

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @indocon

    Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? I haven’t seen that said, but consider his being alone with his car out on the grass in a park, dressed like he was, and his aggression against the officer, his wanderings “jogging” in strange neighborhoods, and the way he attacked the man holding a shot gun.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anonymous

    “ Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? ”

    He seems completely typical of a 70 IQ youth raised in a chaotic single mother household.

    , @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    These things are not unnheard of

    New York Police Fatally Shoot Unarmed Black Man On Brooklyn Street

    AH!


    The man was pointing a pipe at people that police and 911 callers mistook for a gun.
     
    Oh.

    “The suspect then took a two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers,” the police chief said.

    Four officers, three in plainclothes and one in uniform, fired 10 rounds among them, striking the man.
     

    Local residents described the victim as a well-known member of the neighborhood. “He don’t bother nobody at all,” a woman named Sandy told WNYC, saying he helped her carry her groceries at one point.

    “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” another community member, John Fuller, told The New York Times.

     

    Shame. As I said, these things happen. The universe is vast.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    There was a gap of something like six years (ages 19-25) in his life story, in the media accounts of him. The media also had no interest in researching why he'd changed his name as an adult.

    The gap, plus the name change suggest he spent some time in a place he didn't want to be in. But I guess it would be "racist" to ask about that.

    Replies: @anon

  20. @Anon
    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous, @Currahee, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    If Steve isn’t, then I am. It would be instructive to query all his friends with questions such as:

    How did he become so victimized by the two elderly parents that he had to kill them?

    Do you, black person, feel victimized by the (scant) negative publicity?

    What suggestions do you have for white people, Mr/Ms black person so that the next time this occurs (noble black kills eldery white couple) you won’t feel so victimized?

    I know this sounds like satire, but in the current climate, I think it could be presented with a straight face. And that, my fellow whitey white whites, would definitely be instructive.

  21. I remember the day I read about this murder, in the Washington Post. I went to the New York Times to see what they had. What they had was a piece about a black delivery man who was blocked in a parking lot for half an hour by someone who suspected he was a criminal. Nothing about the murder of the Marinos.

  22. White Fragility: Being whipped into a frenzy of gun buying, incontinent lynching and mass murder by images of tattoos that like an Iron Cross, OK signs flashed through windows, the President smuggling 88 words into a tweet or the light of Venus reflecting off swamp gas forming the sign of the noose.

    Black Stability: Staying based in spite of all the traumatizing news about unarmed blacks getting killed in the street, under the bed or literally during drive-by pogroms while jogging, smoking or chilling.

  23. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? I haven’t seen that said, but consider his being alone with his car out on the grass in a park, dressed like he was, and his aggression against the officer, his wanderings “jogging” in strange neighborhoods, and the way he attacked the man holding a shot gun.

    Replies: @Lot, @El Dato, @Nicholas Stix

    “ Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? ”

    He seems completely typical of a 70 IQ youth raised in a chaotic single mother household.

  24. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? I haven’t seen that said, but consider his being alone with his car out on the grass in a park, dressed like he was, and his aggression against the officer, his wanderings “jogging” in strange neighborhoods, and the way he attacked the man holding a shot gun.

    Replies: @Lot, @El Dato, @Nicholas Stix

    These things are not unnheard of

    New York Police Fatally Shoot Unarmed Black Man On Brooklyn Street

    AH!

    The man was pointing a pipe at people that police and 911 callers mistook for a gun.

    Oh.

    “The suspect then took a two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers,” the police chief said.

    Four officers, three in plainclothes and one in uniform, fired 10 rounds among them, striking the man.

    Local residents described the victim as a well-known member of the neighborhood. “He don’t bother nobody at all,” a woman named Sandy told WNYC, saying he helped her carry her groceries at one point.

    “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” another community member, John Fuller, told The New York Times.

    Shame. As I said, these things happen. The universe is vast.

  25. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.

    I have no specific information about the prevalence of people being chased by maniacs in trucks with shotguns, Mad Max meets Mississippi Burning style. Does it happen often?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @El Dato

    No but i will say this....as a child i got into several very very very bad car wrecks. Long story short i hate cars and they scare the crap out of me. So I've always been a walker or bike rider. I rode the bus as a kid to school etc

    My idea of relaxation is putting on headphones and listening to jazz or classical or lounge music or something chill and walking slowly around the neighborhood....

    I don't trespass amd stay in commons areas like public roads and sidewalks....ive never had a firearm put on me but i have had thugs who do pack threaten me and ive had everything from cottonmouth snakes chase me(pit viper) to having weirdos size me up for a robbery to gay men try to pick me up.

    Long story short....as a walker i dont like neing harassed by various ppl so i sympathize with other walkers.....that being said i dont know enough about this case or care enough about it to really get into a protracted debate about it....if that makes sense

  26. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    And some stories don’t even get prominent enough that they need to be memoryholed. Even if they have a cinematic story line out the wazoo.

    Guy from one race for unknown reason shoots and wounds two unknown guys out working construction from another race. Hunts down one and finishes him off. Then hunts down the other and just before he finishes that one off, a good guy with a gun off screen saves the day and drops him.

    National media: “Who cares? Sounds boring.” https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/crime/brownsburg-police-say-indy-man-launched-unprovoked-attack-on-two-others

    • Replies: @Lowry
    @anon

    OK, this Indianapolis story is particularly scary and weird. Completely deserving national attention, but.... It's a local crime story of no consequence. All this insanity is not going to end well. It's not just certain excessively progressive city elites that have abdicated their leadership duties but almost the entire US upper class. From ivory towers to the highest corporate boards in the land and everywhere in between the one consistent failure is elite leadership failing to do their duty for their country, heck, for civilization.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @anon

    Thanks. No bystander was filming, so it didn't happen!

    , @David In TN
    @anon

    Brownsburg, Indiana is an Indianapolis suburb, 93.4 % white according to the 2010 census. The killer appears to have driven to this near all-white town on purpose. He picked out two white people to kill and was determined to kill them, chasing down the second one.

    The reaction by Law Enforcement? "It was random. There is no evidence of a racial motive."

    Law Enforcement uses the above excuse for black on white murders by rote. They trot it out every time.

    The reaction by the MSM? Crickets. And no curiosity.

  27. You may as well ask why Hitler attacked Russia. Maybe he had reasons, maybe they were even good. I suspect Hitler had far better reasons to attack Russia than this guy did to kill that unfortunate couple.

  28. “Imagine that the circumstances were reversed and if on Friday a young white man had hunted down an elderly black couple visiting their son’s grave at a veterans’ cemetery.”

    CNN would be doing regular “anniversary” reporting on the crime: “One month since the horrific … blah, blah, blah.” “Six months… One year… ” and so on until then the next decade; a strategy to siphon off “Emmett Till fatigue.”

  29. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    Do you jog in Timberland boots too?

  30. @Ozymandias
    Speaking of the ol' memory hole, what were the motives of the Vegas shooter? Even Tucker pledged that he wouldn't just let that one slink off into obscurity, but...

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Known Fact

    He shot white people so no one cares.

    Can you imagine if……?

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW, I notice that, like Willie Brown and Jackie Lacey's husband, the late Rep. John Lewis closely resembles Pepe the Frog.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Please speak no ill of one of our greatest national heroes. I am looking at the front web page of the Washington Post and there are no fewer than 10 stories in honor of St. Lewis, the most hilarious being that Marco Rubio paid tribute to his memory by posting a picture of himself with the late icon. Except that it wasn’t – it was a picture of Rubio with a different old black dead Congressman, Elijah Cummings. I guess all mayates look alike.

    There was some talk of renaming St. Louis or at least getting rid of his statue since it turns out that Louis IX was a racist evil guy who was not up to 21st century norms (not surprising since he lived in the Dark Ages). Now the opportunity presents itself – rename it St. Lewis. It’s true that St. Lewis had no connection to the city but neither did St. Louis.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    It’s true that St. Lewis had no connection to the city but neither did St. Louis.

     

    St. Louis was founded after the peace settlement of the French and Indian War, which split the French Mississippi Valley between the British to the east and the Spanish to the west, along the Mississippi River. It was founded mostly by French traders who would rather move to Spanish Catholic territory to the west of the river than remain in what was now British Protestant territory, although the prime mover, Chouteau, came north from Louisiana. St. Louis was both a King and a canonized Saint; not sure whether or not he was the patron saint of France.
  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Neoconned

    "I’d run like hell too."

    Would you run _at_ the man holding the shotgun?

    Replies: @botazefa, @Neoconned

    Charge a gun, run from a knife: Self Defense tip

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/charge-gun-run-knife-self-defense-tip/

  33. A tech entrepreneur, Fahim Saleh, is brutally murdered and partially dismembered which is big news until the murderer is found.
    The alleged murderer was his executive assistant, Tyrese Haspil, a member of a protected species and the story is relegated to the back pages.
    https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/tech-ceo-fahim-saleh-was-a-great-success-before-his-murder/
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12164182/fahim-saleh-murder-suspect-tyrese-haspil-balloons-nyc/

  34. @HammerJack
    What was that guy's name who shot 14 cops in Dallas? I doubt one person in a thousand can say. Heck, I doubt very many even remember the incident. Counter-Narrative.

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    What I do remember from that day is that Obama was in Poland talking about how racist white people were.

  35. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous, @Currahee, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    Police should check his internet and phone history, texting etc

  36. @Lot
    @Neoconned

    Dindu nuttin good boy etc.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RmbadxRII

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @indocon

    He looks very high on some kind of a drug?

  37. @Anon
    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous, @Currahee, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    No one would suggest such an outrageous action as that would be evidence of vicious Nazi racism.

  38. @Jack D
    @Harry Baldwin

    Please speak no ill of one of our greatest national heroes. I am looking at the front web page of the Washington Post and there are no fewer than 10 stories in honor of St. Lewis, the most hilarious being that Marco Rubio paid tribute to his memory by posting a picture of himself with the late icon. Except that it wasn't - it was a picture of Rubio with a different old black dead Congressman, Elijah Cummings. I guess all mayates look alike.

    There was some talk of renaming St. Louis or at least getting rid of his statue since it turns out that Louis IX was a racist evil guy who was not up to 21st century norms (not surprising since he lived in the Dark Ages). Now the opportunity presents itself - rename it St. Lewis. It's true that St. Lewis had no connection to the city but neither did St. Louis.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    It’s true that St. Lewis had no connection to the city but neither did St. Louis.

    St. Louis was founded after the peace settlement of the French and Indian War, which split the French Mississippi Valley between the British to the east and the Spanish to the west, along the Mississippi River. It was founded mostly by French traders who would rather move to Spanish Catholic territory to the west of the river than remain in what was now British Protestant territory, although the prime mover, Chouteau, came north from Louisiana. St. Louis was both a King and a canonized Saint; not sure whether or not he was the patron saint of France.

  39. @Ozymandias
    Speaking of the ol' memory hole, what were the motives of the Vegas shooter? Even Tucker pledged that he wouldn't just let that one slink off into obscurity, but...

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Known Fact

    And has there been any investigative work into the life of the Minneapolis officer who kneed George Floyd? Unless I missed it, shouldn’t there by now be a 20,000-word five-reporter NYT probe into “Origin of a Racist?” or some such twaddle?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Known Fact

    See today's paper. It turns out that no one ever liked Chauvin, not even his wife. And the crack team of reporters uncovered from public records that he once paid his cable bill late or something like that - a sure sign of psychopathy.

  40. @HammerJack
    @Lot

    Uh oh, that open jacket is gonna get Whiskey all hot and bothered.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Nope not a chick. Threat meter in that guy is way up though. Has aspiring rapper all over him. Normal respectable black dudes don’t dress like that.

    Lots of Biden stuff in Orange County. Not a White man holding the signs all middle aged White women.

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Neoconned

    "I’d run like hell too."

    Would you run _at_ the man holding the shotgun?

    Replies: @botazefa, @Neoconned

    From the look of the video it was pure adrenaline dictating everything….

    I still without a doubt or bit of shame say the 2 or 3 idiots who chased him should have called the cops. At best they were vigilantes but the dude was literally apparently doing nothing but jogging

    I’ve read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Neoconned

    Because he was "inspecting houses" a lot and they expected him.
    Here's another best case scenario: do not attack a man who is holding a shotgun.

    , @anon
    @Neoconned

    Funny how any discussion of the murder of elderly white people, especially the two named Marino, always has to be changed to something else. It's like an obsession, "No, no, no, that's not an important murder, let me show you an important murder! It's over here, watch the shiny object!".

    Do you work for a media outlet, indocon? You sure are intent on changing the subject in that "Don't look or talk about THEM, I shall tell you what to look at and talk about" manner so typical of CNN et al.

    Gotta lol a little bit, though, as you play out exactly what iSteve's title of the essay is all about.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @Anonymous
    @Neoconned


    I’ve read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?
     
    Because he is snooping around houses in your neighborhood. Some people feel protective toward their neighborhood and toward their neighbors.
  42. Down the Memoryhole
    Steve Sailer

    Steve, remember coronavirus and how you used to have something to say about it? Sailer, you’re the King of the Memory Hole.

  43. @anon
    And some stories don't even get prominent enough that they need to be memoryholed. Even if they have a cinematic story line out the wazoo.

    Guy from one race for unknown reason shoots and wounds two unknown guys out working construction from another race. Hunts down one and finishes him off. Then hunts down the other and just before he finishes that one off, a good guy with a gun off screen saves the day and drops him.

    National media: "Who cares? Sounds boring." https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/crime/brownsburg-police-say-indy-man-launched-unprovoked-attack-on-two-others

    Replies: @Lowry, @Joseph Doaks, @David In TN

    OK, this Indianapolis story is particularly scary and weird. Completely deserving national attention, but…. It’s a local crime story of no consequence. All this insanity is not going to end well. It’s not just certain excessively progressive city elites that have abdicated their leadership duties but almost the entire US upper class. From ivory towers to the highest corporate boards in the land and everywhere in between the one consistent failure is elite leadership failing to do their duty for their country, heck, for civilization.

  44. @Anon
    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous, @Currahee, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    I hear yuh cuz, but I mean, come on, Steve is off his rocker here, man, I mean, my fellow American who is not a shill, you know, when a white person wrote something twenty years ago he loses his job, but that’s a white American; it’s not like procedures exist (or are even normative) when the investigated party is white which might be useful here: Come On Steve be reasonable like this anonymous normal guy.
    On all levels except physical I just want to grill.
    [gets shot and there’s no need to investigate]

  45. @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    From the look of the video it was pure adrenaline dictating everything....

    I still without a doubt or bit of shame say the 2 or 3 idiots who chased him should have called the cops. At best they were vigilantes but the dude was literally apparently doing nothing but jogging

    I've read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Anonymous

    Because he was “inspecting houses” a lot and they expected him.
    Here’s another best case scenario: do not attack a man who is holding a shotgun.

  46. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    From the look of the video it was pure adrenaline dictating everything....

    I still without a doubt or bit of shame say the 2 or 3 idiots who chased him should have called the cops. At best they were vigilantes but the dude was literally apparently doing nothing but jogging

    I've read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Anonymous

    Funny how any discussion of the murder of elderly white people, especially the two named Marino, always has to be changed to something else. It’s like an obsession, “No, no, no, that’s not an important murder, let me show you an important murder! It’s over here, watch the shiny object!”.

    Do you work for a media outlet, indocon? You sure are intent on changing the subject in that “Don’t look or talk about THEM, I shall tell you what to look at and talk about” manner so typical of CNN et al.

    Gotta lol a little bit, though, as you play out exactly what iSteve’s title of the essay is all about.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @anon

    I haven't even read aboit the Marino case....care to educate me?

    Replies: @anon

  47. @Known Fact
    @Ozymandias

    And has there been any investigative work into the life of the Minneapolis officer who kneed George Floyd? Unless I missed it, shouldn't there by now be a 20,000-word five-reporter NYT probe into "Origin of a Racist?" or some such twaddle?

    Replies: @Jack D

    See today’s paper. It turns out that no one ever liked Chauvin, not even his wife. And the crack team of reporters uncovered from public records that he once paid his cable bill late or something like that – a sure sign of psychopathy.

  48. @Neoconned
    I assume for lack of a better way of putting it "he was nuts".....

    That being said the Arbery case =/= this or other black on white crime. Arbery was arguably being stalked by 2 would be killers. Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I'd run like hell too.

    Georgia isn't like SoCal.....there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers.....thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road.....its that or snakesville....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @El Dato, @Roderick Spode, @Adam Smith

    I live in Georgia. I love it, but it’s not for everyone.

    I live just a few miles from where they filmed this…

    Georgia isn’t like SoCal

    True. Very true.

    there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers

    Also true. No good hiking or nature trails at all. Pit vipers everywhere, but hey, they’re delicious, they taste like alligator.

    thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road

    Sidewalk? What’s that? Sounds interesting.

    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.

    We all have shotguns and trucks and spend our time chasing each other around. That’s just how we have fun. If we really wanted to kill someone they’d never hear it coming. We all have rifles with silencers for hog hunting. (Silencer are legal here. Gotta protect those ears.) Did you know that if you fire a sub-sonic .308 through a silencer it makes about as much noise as a silenced .22? Running is useless. (Unless you can run faster than 700ft per second.)

    Obviously these boys had no ill intent. If they were planning to kill this boy they would have used a silenced rifle and no one would have ever heard a thing about this Arbery character. The turkey hawks would have picked his bones clean by morning.

    Some people wouldn’t want to live here because we use outhouses and don’t have electricity, but I love it. I would never want to live in the city.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Adam Smith

    "If they were planning to kill this boy they would have used a silenced rifle and no one would have ever heard a thing about this Arbery character."

    This is so obviously true that the entire hullabaloo verges on the absurd. When they drove their truck past the jogger they yelled for him to stop, they wanted to talk to him --- they clearly could have shot him in the back while overtaking him or blown him away as they passed. There was another opportunity when they stopped the truck and he continued to jog toward them, an easy target if murder was the plan. But no, he attacked one of them --- who was holding a loaded shotgun --- which went off during the struggle that he, himself, initiated. Even then, it was self defense and not premeditated. It's all there in the video. Reckless endangerment is the most the vigilante wannabes are guilty of.

  49. @anon
    And some stories don't even get prominent enough that they need to be memoryholed. Even if they have a cinematic story line out the wazoo.

    Guy from one race for unknown reason shoots and wounds two unknown guys out working construction from another race. Hunts down one and finishes him off. Then hunts down the other and just before he finishes that one off, a good guy with a gun off screen saves the day and drops him.

    National media: "Who cares? Sounds boring." https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/crime/brownsburg-police-say-indy-man-launched-unprovoked-attack-on-two-others

    Replies: @Lowry, @Joseph Doaks, @David In TN

    Thanks. No bystander was filming, so it didn’t happen!

  50. @BenKenobi
    @Neoconned

    You are hereby banned from Vancouver for being a savage and unrepentant philistine. Don't come to my city ever again.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Cancel culture comes to iSteve!!

    Ben plz!! I must come back!

    In all seriousness i knew i should have avoided this thread. Years ago i posted on and lurked at both Democrat Underground and Conservative Underground…..anyway at DU they had a gun sub forum called the “Gungeon” where any and all gun topics were relegated….

    I’ve found the Arbery case sort of like the Zimmerman or any gun debate…..no matter how i come down somebody will find some minor point to strongly agree or disagree with while the main discussion gets diluted or obscured.

  51. @El Dato
    @Neoconned


    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.
     
    I have no specific information about the prevalence of people being chased by maniacs in trucks with shotguns, Mad Max meets Mississippi Burning style. Does it happen often?

    Replies: @Neoconned

    No but i will say this….as a child i got into several very very very bad car wrecks. Long story short i hate cars and they scare the crap out of me. So I’ve always been a walker or bike rider. I rode the bus as a kid to school etc

    My idea of relaxation is putting on headphones and listening to jazz or classical or lounge music or something chill and walking slowly around the neighborhood….

    I don’t trespass amd stay in commons areas like public roads and sidewalks….ive never had a firearm put on me but i have had thugs who do pack threaten me and ive had everything from cottonmouth snakes chase me(pit viper) to having weirdos size me up for a robbery to gay men try to pick me up.

    Long story short….as a walker i dont like neing harassed by various ppl so i sympathize with other walkers…..that being said i dont know enough about this case or care enough about it to really get into a protracted debate about it….if that makes sense

  52. @anon
    And some stories don't even get prominent enough that they need to be memoryholed. Even if they have a cinematic story line out the wazoo.

    Guy from one race for unknown reason shoots and wounds two unknown guys out working construction from another race. Hunts down one and finishes him off. Then hunts down the other and just before he finishes that one off, a good guy with a gun off screen saves the day and drops him.

    National media: "Who cares? Sounds boring." https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/crime/brownsburg-police-say-indy-man-launched-unprovoked-attack-on-two-others

    Replies: @Lowry, @Joseph Doaks, @David In TN

    Brownsburg, Indiana is an Indianapolis suburb, 93.4 % white according to the 2010 census. The killer appears to have driven to this near all-white town on purpose. He picked out two white people to kill and was determined to kill them, chasing down the second one.

    The reaction by Law Enforcement? “It was random. There is no evidence of a racial motive.”

    Law Enforcement uses the above excuse for black on white murders by rote. They trot it out every time.

    The reaction by the MSM? Crickets. And no curiosity.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  53. @Anon
    I hear ya, but at this point, with the guy dead, I’m not sure what anyone can do other than asking the question.

    Are you perhaps suggesting that a media outlet should question his friends, family, and workmates to try to discern what he was obsessing over at the time?

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Anonymous, @Currahee, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    They had a tell-tale vowel at the end of their name. That’s a loud dog-whistle to a certain 20 million Americans. The Italians of Chicago are ready for war. (And the Italian head of the police union has called for Trump to help with reinforcements.)

    https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-protest-last-night-yesterday-grant-park-lori-lightfoot/6324377/

  54. @Adam Smith
    @Neoconned

    I live in Georgia. I love it, but it's not for everyone.

    I live just a few miles from where they filmed this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0


    Georgia isn’t like SoCal
     
    True. Very true.

    there arent any good public nature trails to jog or walk on that arent infested with pit vipers
     
    Also true. No good hiking or nature trails at all. Pit vipers everywhere, but hey, they're delicious, they taste like alligator.

    thats why id walk in my neighborhood in the commons areas of the sidewalk or road
     
    Sidewalk? What's that? Sounds interesting.

    Had i been out for a walk in the neighborhood on a public street w 2 maniacs chasing me in trucks w shotguns I’d run like hell too.
     
    We all have shotguns and trucks and spend our time chasing each other around. That's just how we have fun. If we really wanted to kill someone they'd never hear it coming. We all have rifles with silencers for hog hunting. (Silencer are legal here. Gotta protect those ears.) Did you know that if you fire a sub-sonic .308 through a silencer it makes about as much noise as a silenced .22? Running is useless. (Unless you can run faster than 700ft per second.)

    Obviously these boys had no ill intent. If they were planning to kill this boy they would have used a silenced rifle and no one would have ever heard a thing about this Arbery character. The turkey hawks would have picked his bones clean by morning.

    Some people wouldn't want to live here because we use outhouses and don't have electricity, but I love it. I would never want to live in the city.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “If they were planning to kill this boy they would have used a silenced rifle and no one would have ever heard a thing about this Arbery character.”

    This is so obviously true that the entire hullabaloo verges on the absurd. When they drove their truck past the jogger they yelled for him to stop, they wanted to talk to him — they clearly could have shot him in the back while overtaking him or blown him away as they passed. There was another opportunity when they stopped the truck and he continued to jog toward them, an easy target if murder was the plan. But no, he attacked one of them — who was holding a loaded shotgun — which went off during the struggle that he, himself, initiated. Even then, it was self defense and not premeditated. It’s all there in the video. Reckless endangerment is the most the vigilante wannabes are guilty of.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  55. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Has there been any suggestion that Arbery had a screw loose? I haven’t seen that said, but consider his being alone with his car out on the grass in a park, dressed like he was, and his aggression against the officer, his wanderings “jogging” in strange neighborhoods, and the way he attacked the man holding a shot gun.

    Replies: @Lot, @El Dato, @Nicholas Stix

    There was a gap of something like six years (ages 19-25) in his life story, in the media accounts of him. The media also had no interest in researching why he’d changed his name as an adult.

    The gap, plus the name change suggest he spent some time in a place he didn’t want to be in. But I guess it would be “racist” to ask about that.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Nicholas Stix

    But I guess it would be “racist” to ask about that

    Ditto asking about his social media. Every mope has an Instagram or a TikTok now, maybe even a Facebook, what was on his? yeah, ok, that's raycsss too.

  56. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    From the look of the video it was pure adrenaline dictating everything....

    I still without a doubt or bit of shame say the 2 or 3 idiots who chased him should have called the cops. At best they were vigilantes but the dude was literally apparently doing nothing but jogging

    I've read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Anonymous

    I’ve read reports he was at a house under construction but even then unless hes trying to break into your house why chase him?

    Because he is snooping around houses in your neighborhood. Some people feel protective toward their neighborhood and toward their neighbors.

  57. @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    There was a gap of something like six years (ages 19-25) in his life story, in the media accounts of him. The media also had no interest in researching why he'd changed his name as an adult.

    The gap, plus the name change suggest he spent some time in a place he didn't want to be in. But I guess it would be "racist" to ask about that.

    Replies: @anon

    But I guess it would be “racist” to ask about that

    Ditto asking about his social media. Every mope has an Instagram or a TikTok now, maybe even a Facebook, what was on his? yeah, ok, that’s raycsss too.

  58. If Biden and Kamela Harris get elected this will become a common daily event with no consequences from law enforcement. Already cops are so afraid of being fired or worse for protecting white people and their property that police have become next to useless.

  59. @anon
    @Neoconned

    Funny how any discussion of the murder of elderly white people, especially the two named Marino, always has to be changed to something else. It's like an obsession, "No, no, no, that's not an important murder, let me show you an important murder! It's over here, watch the shiny object!".

    Do you work for a media outlet, indocon? You sure are intent on changing the subject in that "Don't look or talk about THEM, I shall tell you what to look at and talk about" manner so typical of CNN et al.

    Gotta lol a little bit, though, as you play out exactly what iSteve's title of the essay is all about.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    I haven’t even read aboit the Marino case….care to educate me?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Neoconned

    Sure, start here, there's a link in the first paragraph:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/down-the-memoryhole/

    Replies: @Neoconned

  60. @Neoconned
    @anon

    I haven't even read aboit the Marino case....care to educate me?

    Replies: @anon

    Sure, start here, there’s a link in the first paragraph:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/down-the-memoryhole/

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @anon

    Btw i wasn't trying to take a stand or fight any one about the issue.

    And have only read up on it in a casual manner.

    I used to walk a lot so i am kinda opinionated about ppl who harass random walkers or joggers.

    Replies: @anon

  61. @anon
    @Neoconned

    Sure, start here, there's a link in the first paragraph:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/down-the-memoryhole/

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Btw i wasn’t trying to take a stand or fight any one about the issue.

    And have only read up on it in a casual manner.

    I used to walk a lot so i am kinda opinionated about ppl who harass random walkers or joggers.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Neoconned

    I used to walk a lot so i am kinda opinionated about ppl who harass random walkers or joggers.

    Are you also opinionated about ppl who randomly shoot old people in the head right over the grave of their son?

  62. @Neoconned
    @anon

    Btw i wasn't trying to take a stand or fight any one about the issue.

    And have only read up on it in a casual manner.

    I used to walk a lot so i am kinda opinionated about ppl who harass random walkers or joggers.

    Replies: @anon

    I used to walk a lot so i am kinda opinionated about ppl who harass random walkers or joggers.

    Are you also opinionated about ppl who randomly shoot old people in the head right over the grave of their son?

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