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From Vanity Fair:

On Becoming Lucy Sante

For the first time, the renowned writer, culture critic, and scholar of the demimonde discusses her transition—and finding herself.

BY LUCY SANTE

I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.

JANUARY 20, 2022

“I am undertaking something enormous that should have been done decades ago.”
—LUCY SANTE

On February 15, 2021, I downloaded the application called FaceApp to my phone, just for a laugh. I’d had a new phone for a few months, and I was curious. Although the app allowed users to change age, shape, or hairstyle, I was, specifically and exclusively, interested in the gender-swap function. I fed in a mug-shot-style selfie and in return got something that didn’t displease me: a picture of an attractive woman in whose face my features were discernible. Changing genders was a strange and electric idea that had lived somewhere in the recesses of my mind for the better part of my 67 years. But I had seldom allowed myself such a graphic self-depiction; over the years I had occasionally drawn pictures and altered photographs to visualize myself as a woman but had always immediately destroyed the results. And yet I didn’t delete that cyber-image. Instead, over the next week or so I hunted down and fed in every image of myself I possessed, beginning at about age 12: snapshots, ID card pictures, studio portraits, book jacket photos, social media pictures. The effect was seismic. I could now see, laid out before me on my screen, the panorama of my life as a girl, from giggling preteen to last year’s matron. I had always hated seeing pictures of myself, but these made every kind of sense. My desire to live as a woman, I could now see, was a coherent phenomenon, consistently just under the surface of my nominal life for all those decades, despite my best efforts to pretend it wasn’t there. …

You can also download a Russian app that will the change the race of your selfies, but don’t you dare even think about being allotted multiple pages in Vanity Fair to explain your transracial odyssey to identifying as black.

… Trembling but resolute, I told Dr. G [his therapist] at our weekly Zoom session that I had always wanted to be a woman and now felt it urgent that I take the necessary steps. Dr. G had consistently maintained an imperturbable nothing-human-is-alien-to-me equanimity, but I was nevertheless stunned by her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender. My inner omertà relegated all such thoughts to the deepest, darkest corners, guarded by dragons. I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then, but only one previous practitioner had ever come close to breaking the silence. Around 1991, Dr. P got me to admit that I had tried on my mother’s dresses and undergarments in early adolescence, although we never got a chance to explore the ramifications.

The ramification is that that’s a massive tell for the fetish of autogynephilia, which is basically getting your sex objects (women) and your sex subject (yourself) confused. Sante skips over the part about masturbating in front of a mirror while wearing his mom’s lingerie and downplays other sexual aspects of his sex fetish to fit in with the conventions of our rather sexless Age of Gender Identity.

By the way, I think you can usually distinguish heterosexual transvestites from homosexual transvestites on sight: the gay drag queens generally have a too-much-is-not-enough aesthetic of tons of costume jewelry and giant false eyelashes. In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.

Not long after I made that admission, Dr. P died of a massive heart attack 20 minutes after I left his office.

OK, that’s funny.

Now, as Lou Reed put it, “I’m set free/ to find a new illusion.”

Yeah, I know that Lou Reed claimed to be a homosexual, but as soon as AIDS came along, Lou took a walk on the mild side, giving up homosexuality and heroin.

Like most high IQ late-onset ex-men, Sante doesn’t display much evidence of ever thinking about women much, other than sexually. Here’s a 2015 New York Times feature on his “writer’s room.” Try to find any feminine touch in the four photos of his study:

His career peak might have been serving as historical consultant on Martin Scorsese’s Gangs of New York, that sensitive exploration of femininity starring such androgynous, sexually ambiguous movie stars as Leonardo DiCaprio, Daniel Day-Lewis, Liam Neeson, Jim Broadbent, Brendon Gleeson, John C. Reilly, and Cameron Diaz.

The crazy thing about the dominant transgender ideology is that, first, it’s all based on extremely old-fashioned and rigid stereotypes about what males and females are like so that any divergence from what Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket would consider sufficiently masculine marks you out as really a girl on the inside or any divergence from what Lorelei Lee in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes might consider feminine is proof you aren’t a girl and should have your breasts chopped off.

And on top of that, second, nobody ever thinks to apply the stereotypes endorsed by the trans guys to, as they say, interrogate the trans dudes. Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.

 
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  1. So, guys who “transition” late life thought everyone telling them to “go f**k yourself” was giving advice?

  2. His career peak might have been serving as historical consultant on Scorsese’s Gangs of New York,

    Being the “historical consultant” on that film fits in quite nicely with his trannyism. Both are wildly exaggerated depictions of a belief about reality that is so untrue its downright funny.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @R.G. Camara

    I though Gangs of New York was based on Joe Biden's childhood the way A Bronx Tale was supposedly based on Robert DeNiro's?

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

  3. The answer is simple. If these people want their penes and scrota removed, let them. But no hormones. Let society deal with them for what they are – eunuchs. I’m sure that demand for such operations would dry up overnight.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Verymuchalive

    I applaud you for using the Latin plurals of the male genitalia.

    I raise you vaginae, vulvae, clitorides, and in the opposite direction, labium.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Verymuchalive

    "eunuchs"

    This is the end game of the elite-driven gender-dysphoria madness. The real target is men, not women. Whether dropping T levels amongst men is natural order or synthetic in origin, something is afoot to make men -- the fighters and fuckers, the heavy-lifters, the designers and builders -- obsolete. We are no longer needed to propagate the species because humanity itself is transforming into something different. So clip off your balls, boys. Don that black mask of obedience and maybe you'll find a place in the New Order.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  4. ” My wife is a sex object: Every time I ask, she objects. ”

    Les Dawson, 1986.

    • Replies: @Charles
    @Anonymous

    ''My wife, are you kiddin'? I called her from work - I said 'Honey I love ya, I can't wait to see ya.' She said, 'Who is this?'" - Rodney Dangerfield

    Replies: @slumber_j

  5. The ramification is that that’s a massive tell for the fetish of autogynephilia, which is basically getting your sex objects (women) and your sex subject (yourself) confused.

  6. I was nevertheless stunned by her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.

    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become ‘experts’ on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.

    More disturbing is that even the ones who might have realised the girls had BPD and the boys autism or some cluster B disorder (The essential divide between the nerd/jock dichotomy with few men inbetween.) are largely silent and kept down lest they get sued for malpractice.

    As an aside, has Steve seen that Jamie Lee Curtis’ adopted son is now trans? They announced in People magazine around the time of her Holloween film (Because marketing? I think somebody needs to be fired from that team.) and how does he dress to make it clear ‘it’s not a fetish’?

    And here is the crazy Tweet she made before the election suggesting that Trump was having USPS vans taken away to disrupt the postal ballots. That Taylor Swift retweeted.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Altai

    Fat people have no gender, not even a fake gender.
    Had he gotten fit first, with a mannish face but a perfect body, we could joke that the student had excelled the master, but then again had he been fit he probably wouldn't be gender confused.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Altai


    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become ‘experts’ on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.
     
    Perhaps that hints at some broader truth. Like maybe that a lot of psychology is just bulls**t, and that it's practitioners are mostly just witchdoctors.
    , @AceDeuce
    @Altai

    Re: Curtis and son:

    Sweet Mother of God!

  7. Memo to self: do not indulge in self-delusions in old age.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @BB753

    There's no fool like an old fool.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @BB753

    There is a Manly Hall lecture series on neo platonism that is right now being scrubbed up and posted on youtube and just this week they published the one on Porphyry and the Odyssey and a large part of the lecture is (old) Manly Hall going on about the two edged sword of imagination and Odysseus' biggest battle was against his own immense imagination which was the source of his greatest successes and his greatest tribulations. (Lashing yourself to the mast is a great metaphor. Hall recommends staying busy with a sound routine.)

    All the lectures are good but these neo platonism lectures are a level above that.

    If you google (manly hall youtube neoplatonism) they come right to the top so I won't post a link which unz com software will render as a player in my post.

  8. Sante is going to have to go all -trans- in. Being a bald head stooge, he will now be haunting and haggling in the wigs and weaves shops. These fakers are really hormonized jamokes who like dressing in women’s clothing. They are transvestites with hormone injections that rarely if ever get the big chop.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Clyde


    They are transvestites with hormone injections that rarely if ever get the big chop.
     
    Those trannies need to man up and go whole hog.
  9. @BB753
    Memo to self: do not indulge in self-delusions in old age.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There’s no fool like an old fool.

    • LOL: BB753
  10. Changing genders was a strange and electric idea that had lived somewhere in the recesses of my mind for the better part of my 67 years.

    Note that the claim is that the “idea had lived” somewhere for 34 years or so.

    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then

    Around 1991, Dr. P got me to admit that I had tried on my mother’s dresses and undergarments in early adolescence

    1991. This was over 30 years ago.

    It’s likely that the therapy predated the desire for transition, and it’s possible that the therapy started in infancy.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Charon


    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then
     
    Is spending a lifetime in therapy still a thing? Given the cost, it was always something of a Veblen good. I thought people had tired of that, or that the insurance companies put the kibosh on it.

    The whole Sieg Fraud scam was one of Their most brilliant grifts, a great way to siphon money from the idiot rich and not so rich (or no longer rich).

    "Und now, we may perhaps begin?" is the punchline delivered at the end of Portnoy's Complaint.

    For years, the NYT would brook no criticism of Fraud, and even promoted hatch jobs on Jung, like Noll's The Aryan Christ, simply because the editors were all getting twice weekly brainwashing from the cult.
    , @James N. Kennett
    @Charon


    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then
     
    You might expect that a good therapist would discern the patient's inner desire to change sex, and guide him towards recognition within, say, five years.

    Either the therapists were useless, or the desire itself is a fiction. It is a mere fetish, as Steve says.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

  11. OT but Olivia Marks-Woldman and Farayi Mungazi have an important message – Hitler was a racist!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/27/black-people-were-hitlers-victims-too-that-must-not-be-forgotten

    “Although no exact figures exist, it is known that a significant number of black people were detained in concentration camps and forced labour camps during the Nazi reign, and that many were murdered.”

    Were there many Africans in Germany in the 1930s?

    This racist philosophy underpinned the decision to deny German citizenship to people of African descent, thus complicating their employment prospects and their ability to get by in society. Being born in Germany did not make the slightest difference. Nazi fears of “racial pollution” led to the traumatic break-up of many mixed-race families. The derogatory term Rheinlandbastard (Rhineland bastard) was used to describe children from interracial relationships. They were viewed as symbols of racial “disgrace”, and many were forcibly sterilised to prevent “alien blood” from being passed on.

    Were these the children of French colonial troops and German women?

    https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/schwarze_schmach

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Horror_on_the_Rhine

    • Replies: @Altai
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Were there many Africans in Germany in the 1930s?
     
    This is how you know what 'racism' really means, what it means is that the core population of a society having any trace of ethnocentrism. In order to object to this whilst simultaneously promoting ethnocentrism among immigrants and long-standing minorities you have to make Germany's actions not aggression against specific places and peoples (Some of whom Germany is today victimising again with the debt owed to Germany banks by Greece being dwarfed by the reparations Germany got off paying for it's invasion and occupation in WW2 that ultimately led to the deaths of over 700k Greeks) but rather it's crime was ever having an ethnic self-consciousness and believing Germany belonged to Germans. (Not that places that were never German belonged to Germans, the Africans don't care about that) This narrative has become dominant in the US (And even increasingly in Europe, even in countries invaded by Germany) I've noticed. Germany's crimes during WW2 are the Holocaust and... nothing else.

    Germany plays into this too with it proclaiming like a drunk who can't accept that others can drink with no issues, that 'nationalism always means war!'. No, you guys tried to conquer Europe in the name of German nationalism, nobody else had that problem, Polish nationalism didn't threaten a world war. You guys had that problem, other nationalisms were what defeated German nationalism, not anti-nationalism.

  12. BTW, the studio made Scorcese add in the Cameron Diaz character/plot, which is why it seems so weak and out of place. It was conceived as not just male-dominated but male-only.

  13. There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation. How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Mansfield

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no ...

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon, @AndrewR, @Tom Eff

    , @Joe S.Walker
    @John Mansfield

    A lot of trannies have names that are dead giveaways. They tend to sound like the name of the heroine from somebody's unpublished novel.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @John Mansfield


    How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

     

    Caitlin Thomas, Dylan's widow, would be 108 today. She'd have pronounced it the Irish way.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Dylan_Thomas_and_Caitlin_Thomas.jpeg

    If you really want to be edgy, you could use their daughter's name, Aeronwy. How her Italian neighbors handled that...

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    , @Muggles
    @John Mansfield


    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation.
     
    Perhaps as possibly in this case mentioned above, it is about something related.

    Men in general believe that nearly all women can get sex any time they want, if they go out and seek it. For men, usually not easy.

    So an aging gay man will feel doubly frustrated. First as a male, second as a homosexual whose culture worships youth and beauty. Older men not desirable.

    So an aging queen might feel that by "transitioning" to female, problem solved! Of course I doubt many post 50 YO women would give him that recommendation. Still, it might improve his odds slightly. Or some may think so however wrong they might be.

    Of course many if not most 'trans" women were not necessarily gay men before, so...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  14. @John Mansfield
    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation. How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe S.Walker, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no …

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    Also telling that the bias towards adolescent girls versus pre-adolescents increased after 2014. Almost like all this new attention to trans issues wasn't leading to more pre-adolescent girls being discovered as trans at earlier ages but rather that this is a disease invented by social media (Tumblr, Twitter, TikTok etc) and adolescent social contagion and these girls hadn't the faintest notion of being male before.

    Little girls and adult women don't decide they're male very much. Whereas pre-adolescent boys and over 50 men seem more common than adolescent boys or young men who seem to realise they are female.

    This may fit the pattern that MtF is a combination of effeminate (Not necessary gay) boys and middle aged male fetishists who now sufficiently don't care what other people think. (Either from age, having fewer friends around or feeling it's now or never, breakdown of marriages or being secure in employment) However I feel like there might be increasing males in the prime of life going this way as social atomisation leaves them with nothing but their MtF social media hugboxes.

    Whereas FtM have some variety of body dysmorphia (In a sense a feeling of being a 'failed' female in the same way the effeminate boy might feel like a 'failed' male) and fleeing being an object of sexual desire due to real or socially ingrained trauma of being sexually assaulted or being submissive in a sexual relationship.

    Indeed, there seems to be a real relationship between a male wanting to become female and guys with submissive fetishes. (See: Larry Wachowski)

    And needless to say the same kind of cohorts of teenage girls who are susceptible to this madness are the power users of social media and are increasingly making us all live in their madness.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no …
     
    Is it even just young lesbians who are falling prey to the trans-mania? It seems to be rolling up a lot of more-or-less normal girls who are perhaps just on the neurotic and impressionable side.

    I wonder if the recent seeming trend of all these men deciding that they are really women doesn't owe something to the COVID-imposed social isolation of the last two years. With little to no feedback or the kind normally provided by living in society, it's easy for some people to just live in their own heads and give free reign to their weirder transient thoughts.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    , @AndrewR
    @Steve Sailer

    I hate to call Ellen Page "middle aged" (because she's younger than I am and I don't like describing myself as such), but she definitely showed post-wall dessication by the time she decided to LARP as a boy. In her prime she was really hot, but she aged like milk.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Tom Eff
    @Steve Sailer

    Middle-aged white women are the drivers of the young F-to-M transition. They are 'supportive' while their motive is to get one more fertile young woman off the board, so they don't have to compete. Middle-aged white women are also drivers of the M-to-F transitions; these are high-IQ men who have the means to pay for the expensive HRT (and maybe, someday, surgery) and this is a way for those M-AWW to be around men, without the expectation-and-rejection they would receive if they tried to hang out with a normal cis-het male without mental problems and had available options.

  15. All these guys are addicted to girl girl porn and are trying to force Lesbians to have sex with them

  16. Re Lou Reed, “as soon as AIDS came along he” what? Did he use an action verb?
    ————–
    The Old Man from the Phantasm movies has found another way to increase the cost of gas: a federal judge has rejected the sale of a big oilfield on environmental grounds.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @J.Ross

    Lou got married in the early Eighties - when being married was still generally thought a sign of respectable heterosexuality; even Elton John was briefly supposed not to be a total poof when he acquired a German wife.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  17. Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.

    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe’s famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb – no matter how high the absurdity rises you’re about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. – A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Dieter Kief


    Dalrympe’s famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).
     
    As I recall, Theodore Dalrymple is quoting Robert Conquest there. But maybe I'm wrong.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Verymuchalive

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dieter Kief

    "without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe."

    Congratulations, that's practically a line straight out of Finnegans Wake (which is actually a quite hilarious book, btw, don't be scared, the water's fine, it's not a thassle).

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dieter Kief

    Yeah a lot of public virtue signalling is self-flagellation and other-flagellation. Safe S&M, no safe-word needed.

    Like mask-o-chism.

    , @Bill
    @Dieter Kief

    "Dalrymple" was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @SFG
    @Dieter Kief

    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  18. Not long after I made that admission, Dr. P died of a massive heart attack 20 minutes after I left his office.

    Speaking of heart attacks, Robert Downey Sr’s 1968 film Putney Swope is being shown on TCM (Turner Classic Movies) early Saturday morning 1/29.
    Consult your local listings for details.

  19. There are no indicators someone will turn out to be trans.

    Or, for that matter, gay in the later stages of life.

  20. @Altai

    I was nevertheless stunned by her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.
     
    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become 'experts' on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.

    More disturbing is that even the ones who might have realised the girls had BPD and the boys autism or some cluster B disorder (The essential divide between the nerd/jock dichotomy with few men inbetween.) are largely silent and kept down lest they get sued for malpractice.

    As an aside, has Steve seen that Jamie Lee Curtis' adopted son is now trans? They announced in People magazine around the time of her Holloween film (Because marketing? I think somebody needs to be fired from that team.) and how does he dress to make it clear 'it's not a fetish'?

    https://i1.wp.com/alexis.lindaikejisblog.com/photos/shares/61715463bc6ce.png

    And here is the crazy Tweet she made before the election suggesting that Trump was having USPS vans taken away to disrupt the postal ballots. That Taylor Swift retweeted.

    https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @AceDeuce

    Fat people have no gender, not even a fake gender.
    Had he gotten fit first, with a mannish face but a perfect body, we could joke that the student had excelled the master, but then again had he been fit he probably wouldn’t be gender confused.

  21. @Anonymous
    " My wife is a sex object: Every time I ask, she objects. "

    Les Dawson, 1986.

    Replies: @Charles

    ”My wife, are you kiddin’? I called her from work – I said ‘Honey I love ya, I can’t wait to see ya.’ She said, ‘Who is this?’” – Rodney Dangerfield

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Charles

    So good.

  22. I keep reminding my kids and mrs we live in post-rational world where sex is now mandated as non-binary. It’s clearly reached that benchmark we call sanity.

    That once we accept that fact, the insanity and evil that abounds about can at least be accepted without questioning your own sanity.

    If you live reminded that nothing in media will accord with biological reality, and that everyone about you has succumbed to this overwhelming media manipulated inversion, then the oncoming decimation of everything good, worthwhile and valuable will be understood as inevitable.

    We need to remove ourselves from the vicinity of this insanity.

    On that note, I recently came across a Paul McCartney collaboration with Martin Glover aka Youth of Killing Joke and, well, it’s so grounding. It reminds me that things are still revolving as they should, somewhere on this planet.

  23. The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Henry Canaday


    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?
     
    Not in my experience: it's really just a weird sort of narcissism, with all that that implies. My uncle-in-law's transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter--lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Kylie

    , @anonymous coward
    @Henry Canaday


    because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct
     
    You don't really know too many women, do you? Lol.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Henry Canaday

    I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that they have never cared about anything other than how great it will be to get pegged by their dominatrix.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m_Ay6q-gw2s/T1Py7NYVpJI/AAAAAAAACP0/-IQ60dxxrNU/s640/office-space-two-chicks.jpg

    , @SafeNow
    @Henry Canaday


    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct…Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?
     
    Yes, nurturing/caring. But another candidate is fairmindedness; relief from the subjectivity of testosterone-driven, competitive and too-aggressive maleness. So I ask, do these male-to-female converts seem to be especially fairminded? For example, is it fair to ruin women’s sports and shower-room modesty? The question answers itself.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Henry Canaday

    No, it's all about sex fetishism. No female brain, of course. Some gay men have, it seems, a feminized male brain, as can be seen here (28:30 & later):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J04bRx2MGi4

  24. Don’t Mention the Autogynephilia

    Okay, but what red-blooded man doesn’t appreciate a bit of autogynephilia ?

  25. He’s just a boy, a toy.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anonymous

    John Waters gets irritated by the trans nonsense, too. He said something like, ‘Divine didn’t want to be a woman, he wanted to be a monster.’

  26. You assert what’s happening is some sort of irrational outburst for no reason you’ve made clear, just something spontaneous and un-enforced through cultural reinforcement.

    ” the fetish of autogynephilia”

    I’m with Morgoth in that I’m tired of liberals giving a psychological term to account for human behaviour that doesn’t accord with their worldview.

    There is no “fetish of autogynephilia” that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land. Just as there is no mass psychosis overwhelming people into having their children shot with an experimental drug.

    People respond to authority. As they have forever! Just like women want men taller than them, just like their dad was.

    People are, by and large, irrational, and their irrational behaviour is premised on physical associations.

    If the entire media, educational authority and all parental authority is asserting that sex is malleable and that you’d better be questioning your own then people will do what they have always done: obey authority!

    For only a select few “the fetish of autogynephilia” is being fulfilled, for the rest, it’s the usual submissive response to authority.

    Where cultural leaders point, the majority follow.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Pat Hannagan


    ” the fetish of autogynephilia”

    I’m with Morgoth in that I’m tired of liberals giving a psychological term to account for human behaviour that doesn’t accord with their worldview.

    There is no “fetish of autogynephilia” that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land.
     
    I suspect it was always there, but those afflicted with it learned to live with it.

    If the entire media, educational authority and all parental authority is asserting that sex is malleable and that you’d better be questioning your own then people will do what they have always done: obey authority!
     
    This is true; and once this idea is broadcast, people with the fetish (which is itself seldom discussed) suddenly come to the false realization that they are women trapped in men's bodies.
    , @Pop Warner
    @Pat Hannagan


    There is no “fetish of autogynephilia” that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land. Just as there is no mass psychosis overwhelming people into having their children shot with an experimental drug.
     
    I agree entirely. The various conservative pundits and personalities rush to give new terms to otherwise mundane and historical phenomena, namely authoritarianism and its loyal subjects. People don't need to be duped or hypnotized into doing what the authority wants, many willingly follow authority no matter what and others are bullied and intimidated into compliance. There are those utterly terrified of the regime and those utterly loyal to it, no Mass psychosis needed.
  27. I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.

    That observation reminds me of nobody so much as my old and ultimately suicidal acquaintance Tony Bourdain–who as I’ve previously mentioned here entertained me the night we first met with obsessive monologues about NY gang lore, who had an obtrusive thing for The Ramones, etc. etc. Now that you mention it, one wonders…

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.

    Exactly right. My wife’s uncle, now “aunt,” was busted by his wife for his ladies’ underpants problem in middle age, which started him on his late-in-life “journey” to “becoming” a “woman.” You couldn’t get more bourgeois than that dude: Ivy-League white-shoe lawyer from an old-school northeastern WASP family. He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.

    I remember the first time I met him maybe sixteen years ago. He hadn’t yet inverted his penis or had himself castrated, but he was already dressing like a late-middle-aged empty-nester NYC member of the Colony Club who’d recently discovered Downtown and the color black and was maybe toying with the idea of buying a nice loft in Tribeca. On that occasion (and all subsequent occasions) he thoroughly creeped me out. And he utterly grossed my wife out by asking her where he could score some nice really tights around here, which apparently are in short supply in suburban Boston.

    Once she’d recovered, she recommended Wolford, on Madison Ave.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @slumber_j

    I always thought it made more sense to let people like that play their drag games and not take them that seriously. I mean, it’s a fetish, whatever. But some of them start to think it’s because they ‘really are’ women, and then we indulge them.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @slumber_j

    "He has since literally renamed himself after his mother."

    Back in the 90s I knew a drag queen in NYC who used the nom de drag of... well, I won't reveal that, but let's say it was Mrs. John Smith, which would have been his mother's name. He was indeed from some upstate monied family. I often wonder what his father (Mr. John Smith) or mother thought of this.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @slumber_j

    Thank you for your contributions here. Very interesting and entertaining.

    I used to like Bourdain, until I started feeling like he was kind of a douche. Sad about his end, though. As someone who was twice long ago suicidal, I know how awful that feeling is.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Dieter Kief
    @slumber_j

    Hey, I have a Wolford pyjama -heheh - two of them , and some - uhh muscle shirts - great stuff. From Bregenz, the little part of the Austrian shore-line of the lake of Constance. This is the rest of the once rather big textile industry around the lake. - I highly recommend their products! - I also highly recommend visiting Bregenz - and its Kunsthaus, a masterwork of modern architecture I love a lot by Pritzker-Prize-architect Peter Zumthor (who is busy in L. A. these days, btw.) - and wo lives and works near Bregenz in the Alp-Rhine valley.

  28. Yeah, I know that Lou Reed claimed to be a homosexual, but as soon as AIDS came along he

    That is fascinating.

    • LOL: El Dato
  29. Sante skips over the part about masturbating in front of a mirror while wearing his mom’s lingerie and downplays other sexual aspects of his sex fetish to fit in with the conventions of our rather sexless Age of Gender Identity.

    Great post. Top post.

    I’d love to see you expand upon this one into a few scathing essays.

    But I’d also like you to consider that what’s happening isn’t some irrational sexual-response thing played out in public but, consider for a moment, that people are not rational, and that forces far more eternal and powerful than politicians know how to pull and push our buttons.

    That these groups, with no democratic oversight, and no restraint upon their funding, have been manipulating the public since at least Gilbert and Sullivan wrote “When I was a Lad”.

    Far too much is made of these sexual peccadillos, it’s prurient and pretty much Daily Mail soft-core-porno journo, when in fact people are clearly being group manipulated into submission to shaming authority groups.

    For instance, today I read a story in news.com.au about how a “porn star” teen slut with an only-fans account submitted that it is “cringe” her uncle sent her a text saying “nice” after he happened to come across her doing porno on the internet.

    This is reality. This is the world we are purported to live in.

    You’re the man to tear down this wall, Mr. Sailer!

    You’re than man who’ll point out this ridiculous media manipulation has been going on for too long, needs to end, and people require nourishment on good education and facts.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Pat Hannagan


    For instance, today I read a story in news.com.au about how a “porn star” teen slut with an only-fans account submitted that it is “cringe” her uncle sent her a text saying “nice” after he happened to come across her doing porno on the internet.

    This is reality. This is the world we are purported to live in.
     

    And we do! I think even John Brunner didn't think of that one when writing dystopian but oh-so-realist SciFi.

    That "nice" is sooo open to interpretation ... 🙃 who knows what's behind it!

    And now for some Japanese flowing pictures which capture the mood:

    https://i.postimg.cc/C5ftpcwm/crossdressing1.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/YSWb9h5C/crossdressing2.jpg

  30. @Henry Canaday
    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @anonymous coward, @James J O'Meara, @SafeNow, @Bardon Kaldian

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Not in my experience: it’s really just a weird sort of narcissism, with all that that implies. My uncle-in-law’s transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter–lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @slumber_j

    "His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better."

    It's like a multi-level marketing scam, or a chain letter.

    , @Kylie
    @slumber_j

    "My uncle-in-law’s transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter–lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better."

    Why does she choose to deal with it at all? I'd cut him dead, for good and forever. It's not the vile freakishness of his delusion that I find so repellent, it's the expectation that the rest of you will acknowledge and enable it.

  31. @Charles
    @Anonymous

    ''My wife, are you kiddin'? I called her from work - I said 'Honey I love ya, I can't wait to see ya.' She said, 'Who is this?'" - Rodney Dangerfield

    Replies: @slumber_j

    So good.

  32. One thing we have learned about memory over the last twenty or so years is that it is extremely plastic. We saw a tic of that during the Kavanaugh misadventure, when the testifying psychologist (who knows better) said her memories were “burned into her amygdala”. Well it does not work that way.

    Everytime you remember events you recode them into your memory. Errors can crop up. You saw this during the satanic ritual abuse cases of the 80s and 90s and the recovered memory therapy. If you are in a suggestive state, you can be prompted to remember something, then add details to recode the memory which may not have actually occurred. This is well settled.

    So when ex-men say they always felt like a lithe ballerina, I kinda doubt that. They believe it- because they have unconsciously planted that in their memories. The kids in the satanic ritual abuse cases really thought they remembered hidden shrines to Moloch in subbasements.

    • Agree: Mr Mox
  33. Autogynopheliacs are reliably the least convincing “women” there are. I take part in a regular video conference call for my city around some local projects and one of the participants is a transwoman who apparently used to be married with kids, but now sports boobs, makeup and very loud hair. Not only does he look like a fairly frightening drag queen but all of his mannerisms are decidedly masculine. To be fair, he comes off as very competent and his contributions to the discussion are good ones, and he only interjects when it directly relates to his particular realm rather than tossing his 2 cents in to get attention. But there is zero feminine energy and it’s pretty jarring.

  34. Unattractive guys think they will be attractive woman. Doesn’t happen, but now they can play with hairstyles and paint their finger and toe nails and wear heels and Derby Day hats.

  35. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT but Olivia Marks-Woldman and Farayi Mungazi have an important message - Hitler was a racist!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/27/black-people-were-hitlers-victims-too-that-must-not-be-forgotten

    "Although no exact figures exist, it is known that a significant number of black people were detained in concentration camps and forced labour camps during the Nazi reign, and that many were murdered."
     
    Were there many Africans in Germany in the 1930s?

    This racist philosophy underpinned the decision to deny German citizenship to people of African descent, thus complicating their employment prospects and their ability to get by in society. Being born in Germany did not make the slightest difference. Nazi fears of “racial pollution” led to the traumatic break-up of many mixed-race families. The derogatory term Rheinlandbastard (Rhineland bastard) was used to describe children from interracial relationships. They were viewed as symbols of racial “disgrace”, and many were forcibly sterilised to prevent “alien blood” from being passed on.

     

    Were these the children of French colonial troops and German women?

    https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/schwarze_schmach

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Horror_on_the_Rhine

    Replies: @Altai

    Were there many Africans in Germany in the 1930s?

    This is how you know what ‘racism’ really means, what it means is that the core population of a society having any trace of ethnocentrism. In order to object to this whilst simultaneously promoting ethnocentrism among immigrants and long-standing minorities you have to make Germany’s actions not aggression against specific places and peoples (Some of whom Germany is today victimising again with the debt owed to Germany banks by Greece being dwarfed by the reparations Germany got off paying for it’s invasion and occupation in WW2 that ultimately led to the deaths of over 700k Greeks) but rather it’s crime was ever having an ethnic self-consciousness and believing Germany belonged to Germans. (Not that places that were never German belonged to Germans, the Africans don’t care about that) This narrative has become dominant in the US (And even increasingly in Europe, even in countries invaded by Germany) I’ve noticed. Germany’s crimes during WW2 are the Holocaust and… nothing else.

    Germany plays into this too with it proclaiming like a drunk who can’t accept that others can drink with no issues, that ‘nationalism always means war!’. No, you guys tried to conquer Europe in the name of German nationalism, nobody else had that problem, Polish nationalism didn’t threaten a world war. You guys had that problem, other nationalisms were what defeated German nationalism, not anti-nationalism.

  36. @Steve Sailer
    @John Mansfield

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no ...

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon, @AndrewR, @Tom Eff

    Also telling that the bias towards adolescent girls versus pre-adolescents increased after 2014. Almost like all this new attention to trans issues wasn’t leading to more pre-adolescent girls being discovered as trans at earlier ages but rather that this is a disease invented by social media (Tumblr, Twitter, TikTok etc) and adolescent social contagion and these girls hadn’t the faintest notion of being male before.

    Little girls and adult women don’t decide they’re male very much. Whereas pre-adolescent boys and over 50 men seem more common than adolescent boys or young men who seem to realise they are female.

    This may fit the pattern that MtF is a combination of effeminate (Not necessary gay) boys and middle aged male fetishists who now sufficiently don’t care what other people think. (Either from age, having fewer friends around or feeling it’s now or never, breakdown of marriages or being secure in employment) However I feel like there might be increasing males in the prime of life going this way as social atomisation leaves them with nothing but their MtF social media hugboxes.

    Whereas FtM have some variety of body dysmorphia (In a sense a feeling of being a ‘failed’ female in the same way the effeminate boy might feel like a ‘failed’ male) and fleeing being an object of sexual desire due to real or socially ingrained trauma of being sexually assaulted or being submissive in a sexual relationship.

    Indeed, there seems to be a real relationship between a male wanting to become female and guys with submissive fetishes. (See: Larry Wachowski)

    And needless to say the same kind of cohorts of teenage girls who are susceptible to this madness are the power users of social media and are increasingly making us all live in their madness.

  37. @slumber_j

    I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.
     
    That observation reminds me of nobody so much as my old and ultimately suicidal acquaintance Tony Bourdain--who as I've previously mentioned here entertained me the night we first met with obsessive monologues about NY gang lore, who had an obtrusive thing for The Ramones, etc. etc. Now that you mention it, one wonders...

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.
     
    Exactly right. My wife's uncle, now "aunt," was busted by his wife for his ladies' underpants problem in middle age, which started him on his late-in-life "journey" to "becoming" a "woman." You couldn't get more bourgeois than that dude: Ivy-League white-shoe lawyer from an old-school northeastern WASP family. He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.

    I remember the first time I met him maybe sixteen years ago. He hadn't yet inverted his penis or had himself castrated, but he was already dressing like a late-middle-aged empty-nester NYC member of the Colony Club who'd recently discovered Downtown and the color black and was maybe toying with the idea of buying a nice loft in Tribeca. On that occasion (and all subsequent occasions) he thoroughly creeped me out. And he utterly grossed my wife out by asking her where he could score some nice really tights around here, which apparently are in short supply in suburban Boston.

    Once she'd recovered, she recommended Wolford, on Madison Ave.

    Replies: @SFG, @Peter D. Bredon, @Buzz Mohawk, @Dieter Kief

    I always thought it made more sense to let people like that play their drag games and not take them that seriously. I mean, it’s a fetish, whatever. But some of them start to think it’s because they ‘really are’ women, and then we indulge them.

  38. Current T lunacy is a cultural phenomenon mostly confined to the Anglo-Germanic sphere, spilling over to rootless cosmopolitan segments of other cultures as some kind of seductive fashion, due to enormous global influence of American popular culture in many areas.

    But, it is more important as food for thought in other significant fields.

    By now, I think it is evident that sexuality & eroticism are both innate and culturally determined. Male sexuality is very different from female sexuality; there are no universal human erotic desires, and we can see that various fetishes and preferences vary over cultures, historical periods & can be influenced by, let’s say, erotic brainwashing propaganda.

    For instance, black males are depicted as universally erotically exciting to females of all races. But, reality shows that most females in Asian, American Indian, Indian, Islamic Near East, southern Europe … societies find them erotically dull & simply not attractive. A big part of it may signify that these societies are still traditional. But, if we take all variables into account – most females in those parts don’t find blacks “manly” & dominant, but more an embodiment of submissive slaves and physically repellent, i.e. not something erotically desirable.  

    With black females, it is even more evident.

    As regards various types of erotic fantasies, there are no universals for men & women. Generally, men are into domination & women into submission. But, specific “racial” components differ. For instance, when you see Japanese erotic drawings from the 17th and the 18th C, it is evident that the Japanese are a sadistic people. I know this is a generalization, but by just looking at absurdly huge penises, demonically contorted male facial features, female faces and positions expressing fear, horror & masochistic lust – one cannot deny that such a type of erotic desire is an authentic expression of the Japanese “race”/culture.

    You won’t find anything similar in Persian Islamic, Indian or Chinese erotic art/visual pornography.

    Then, with homosexual themes, you’ll find them highly frequent throughout Islam, but only marginally present in east Asia.

    Lesbians, as far as male mind goes, are very present in Western male erotic imagination, but almost absent in Islam & Asia. They are, as a historical reality, more represented in those cultures, but not as something that would ignite male imagination. Late trans phenomenon is almost entirely cultural.

    So, the conclusion is, more or less, trivial:

    1. sexual & erotic things are a combination of “biology” & culture. The more advanced & penetrating a culture is, its people are more susceptible to media brainwashing.

    2. but, brainwashing can only succeed if it follows innate tendencies of different cultures & races. In short- you can brainwash only the brainwashable.

    3. great historical cultures have their erotic peculiarities which sometimes overlap, and frequently- not.

    4. there is an innate human nature, but it is differentiated along “racial” & cultural lines. For instance, Europeans are high on erotic imagination; Asians are high on erotic techniques; Africans are low on both aspects.

    5. C.G. Jung was partly right when he said that Male principle is Logos, while Female principle is Eros. I would say that Male principle is Thumos and, sometimes, in advanced cultures and individuals combined with Logos. It is evident that Females are virtually all about Eros- looks, relationships, make up, provocations, erotic exhibitionism,…
    Byron was right when he said that Eros is the whole woman’s life, but only a part of man’s.

    6. gay and trans fixations in the Western culture are simply signs of decadence. This “orientation” is massively more cultural than biological.

  39. Funny, I was reading something last week and came across the name ‘Lucy Sante’ and I thought uh-oh but nah maybe it’s his daughter or something.

    ‘Inner omertà’ is an interesting way to put it, he’s always had this kind of flat affect of ‘nothing’s shocking’ which he describes in his therapist. Still waters run deep I guess. Lou Reed was always in Monday after a Big Weekend mode, but I met a woman through a friend who said he used to pay her to put her arm up his bum. She was real little.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I think Lou Reed actually was gay. "Oh but he was married..." yeah right. He was gay until it paid to be straight, but inside, gay gay gay. If he'd lived longer he'd have come out of the closet.

    Bourdain was a depressive bisexual.

    I'm not surprised about Sante. Really creepy dude.

  40. @Henry Canaday
    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @anonymous coward, @James J O'Meara, @SafeNow, @Bardon Kaldian

    because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct

    You don’t really know too many women, do you? Lol.

    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
    @anonymous coward

    It's you who doesn't, or made really bad choices as regards female partners and friends.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  41. Trans swimmer’s teammates ‘feel uncomfortable’ in locker room:
    An anonymous University of Pennsylvania swimmer says complaints to coaches have gone nowhere

    “It’s definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women,” the swimmer explained to the Daily Mail regarding Thomas, who has allegedly told her colleagues she dates females.

    Oh well.

    But most of the team are scared to speak out due to a fear of being dubbed transphobic, which has also seen them refrain from protesting at swim meets.

    “If this gets a little bit bigger, I might go on the record, but I’m definitely a little afraid,” the swimmer admitted.

    “What I’m afraid of is that potential employers will Google my name and see commentary about things I said and think: ‘Oh, this person’s transphobic’.”

    Do not make the Google Bolsheviks angry.

  42. I should be used to this by now but it still never ceases to amaze how much ink is invested on a group of people who comprise not even 1% of the population.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Prester John

    But they don't comprise 1% of the population of the 1%.

  43. @Dieter Kief

    Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.
     
    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe's famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb - no matter how high the absurdity rises you're about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. - A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bill, @SFG

    Dalrympe’s famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    As I recall, Theodore Dalrymple is quoting Robert Conquest there. But maybe I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @slumber_j


    “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

    When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

    I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
     

    Dalrymple, though he may well have been channeling Robert Conquest.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Verymuchalive
    @slumber_j

    Dr Anthony Daniels ( AKA T Dalrymple ) is usually very good at acknowledging any references. This seems to be an original quote from him. I can't find any involvement from Robert Conquest. Here is the quote in full.


    In my studies of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is ...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A variety of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
     
    Please note that the less that the propaganda related to reality the better. Also, the references to emasculated liars and political correctness. Very apt in this case.
  44. A somewhat feminized body image is probably quite common (and quite harmless) among men, due simply to the fact that all children, including young boys, typically spend a lot more time around their mothers than they do around their fathers. It is probably mostly unconscious, but some psychological crisis (such as a family breakup, sexual abuse, or heavy drug use) might stir it up and bring it to the foreground, thus creating uncomfortable doubts about one’s identity and sexuality.

    Among the many reasons the trans movement is wicked is this: Men who wish to exorcise this particular part of their psyche need a safe, supportive environment in which to talk about it, without being pounced on by the LGBT lobby. They should be reassured that having a feminized body image does not mean you’re female and it does not mean you’re gay—it’s a common developmental hiccup that affects many men and it can be overcome. You’re essential masculinity is not hindered by psychology or even by biology, but exists prior to these things. There is no such thing as an unsexed human soul, and there are only two sexes.

    Any “therapist” who does not take this approach with his patients is a quack. He has abdicated his most fundamental duty, viz. bringing people to greater sanity, not catering to the demons in their messed up heads.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That is very insightful. Let me add this:

    A boy's body is "girlish" compared to a man's body. So the feminized body image you refer to is enhanced by the fact that every boy spends 14-16 years in a comparatively "girlish" body.

    Nowadays everybody whines about how hard it is for energetic little girls to grow hips and breasts, while it's so easy for a boy to become a man. For the lost boys you refer to it's not easy at all. Yes, therapy should be based on helping these poor kids grow into men.

    Sadly, we're creating Lia Thomases instead. I'm not so sure that Thomas falls into the gay/autogynephile dichotomy that Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard identified. I think he's a modern AMAB: a messed up kid who might have made the transition to normal if he'd had the right therapy at 14.

    Replies: @Tom Eff, @CCZ

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Any “therapist” who does not take this approach with his patients is a quack. He has abdicated his most fundamental duty, viz. bringing people to greater sanity, not catering to the demons in their messed up heads.
     
    If I'd have to name but one important aspect of good therapeutic work, it would be what you are talking about here.

    One of the big traps for therapists (and teachers / and preachers..../ journalists, writers, historians...philsopshers...) is to go with the flow, no matter what.

    (Most of the times this approach results in more boring and less beneficial work across all those (and related) fields.)
  45. @slumber_j
    @Dieter Kief


    Dalrympe’s famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).
     
    As I recall, Theodore Dalrymple is quoting Robert Conquest there. But maybe I'm wrong.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Verymuchalive

    “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

    When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

    I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Dalrymple, though he may well have been channeling Robert Conquest.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Welp: wrong again!

  46. @Altai

    I was nevertheless stunned by her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.
     
    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become 'experts' on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.

    More disturbing is that even the ones who might have realised the girls had BPD and the boys autism or some cluster B disorder (The essential divide between the nerd/jock dichotomy with few men inbetween.) are largely silent and kept down lest they get sued for malpractice.

    As an aside, has Steve seen that Jamie Lee Curtis' adopted son is now trans? They announced in People magazine around the time of her Holloween film (Because marketing? I think somebody needs to be fired from that team.) and how does he dress to make it clear 'it's not a fetish'?

    https://i1.wp.com/alexis.lindaikejisblog.com/photos/shares/61715463bc6ce.png

    And here is the crazy Tweet she made before the election suggesting that Trump was having USPS vans taken away to disrupt the postal ballots. That Taylor Swift retweeted.

    https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @AceDeuce

    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become ‘experts’ on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.

    Perhaps that hints at some broader truth. Like maybe that a lot of psychology is just bulls**t, and that it’s practitioners are mostly just witchdoctors.

  47. Like most high IQ late-onset ex-men, Sante doesn’t display much evidence of ever thinking about women much, other than sexually. Here’s a 2015 New York Times feature on his “writer’s room.” Try to find any feminine touch in the four photos of his study:

    What , the Mickey Spillane book on the bottom shelf doesn’t count? It’s practically a Harlequin romance!
    I had to laugh at the nylon strap hanging from the overhead pipe. I always hang one from the overhead pipes although it has pretty much no use (you can’t hang any substantial weight from itbecause it stresses pipe joints.) It’s kind of the masculine equivalent of a doily.

  48. @BB753
    Memo to self: do not indulge in self-delusions in old age.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a Manly Hall lecture series on neo platonism that is right now being scrubbed up and posted on youtube and just this week they published the one on Porphyry and the Odyssey and a large part of the lecture is (old) Manly Hall going on about the two edged sword of imagination and Odysseus’ biggest battle was against his own immense imagination which was the source of his greatest successes and his greatest tribulations. (Lashing yourself to the mast is a great metaphor. Hall recommends staying busy with a sound routine.)

    All the lectures are good but these neo platonism lectures are a level above that.

    If you google (manly hall youtube neoplatonism) they come right to the top so I won’t post a link which unz com software will render as a player in my post.

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @John Mansfield

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no ...

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon, @AndrewR, @Tom Eff

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no …

    Is it even just young lesbians who are falling prey to the trans-mania? It seems to be rolling up a lot of more-or-less normal girls who are perhaps just on the neurotic and impressionable side.

    I wonder if the recent seeming trend of all these men deciding that they are really women doesn’t owe something to the COVID-imposed social isolation of the last two years. With little to no feedback or the kind normally provided by living in society, it’s easy for some people to just live in their own heads and give free reign to their weirder transient thoughts.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Mr. Anon

    It's not generally lesbians who go trans, its nerdy and awkward young straight women who often want relationships with gay men. Writing and reading detailed fan fiction about male characters from popular movies/books (like Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy) having romantic relationships is the gateway drug that warps their minds.

  50. Buzz Bissinger 2.0!

    What ever happened to that pervert freak anyway?

  51. @slumber_j
    @Dieter Kief


    Dalrympe’s famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).
     
    As I recall, Theodore Dalrymple is quoting Robert Conquest there. But maybe I'm wrong.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Verymuchalive

    Dr Anthony Daniels ( AKA T Dalrymple ) is usually very good at acknowledging any references. This seems to be an original quote from him. I can’t find any involvement from Robert Conquest. Here is the quote in full.

    In my studies of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is …in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A variety of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

    Please note that the less that the propaganda related to reality the better. Also, the references to emasculated liars and political correctness. Very apt in this case.

  52. Try to find any feminine touch in the four photos of his study:

    Well he was more testosterones dominant back then, but the bare feet if not actually effeminate are certainly non-threatening

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.

    For someone in their 60s i would say that it is likely a male mesopause onset in in the late due to estrone from fat pads that accumulate in late middle age and cause a self similarity phase shift in the cells for a transition to fe-man.

  53. Amy Schneider, your hair tinted reddish,
    and smile with head tilted coquettish,
    and simpering smugly
    don’t make you less ugly,
    but pleasing yourself is your fetish.

    On the looks totem pole, you’re the low man.
    “You make me sick!” says my abdomen.
    Your ugly looks thrill ya;
    autogynephilia
    means “loving yourself as a woman.”

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  54. Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @Alfa158

    I regularly perform cognitive behavioural therapy on myself, and it works great.

    Caveat 1: I call it Stoicism, because I'm not into newspeak bureaucratese.

    Caveat 2: I suspect there's a strict IQ threshold. It's a cognitively demanding process. I would like to think anyone could do it, but I've been distinctly wrong about that sort of thing before.

    Caveat 3: doing it on yourself is dramatically easier than trying it on someone else, because you can see exactly what you're working on, rather than trying to clumsily describe it in English.

    These things are regional. Despite what newspapers and the TV will tell you, quality varies considerably. Especially across red state / blue state lines and similar. Naturally hardcore democrats will encourage mental dissonance, whereas red staters actually feel shame if they don't try to make you better.

    Note I've said nothing about competence, merely inclination. Competence varies by some other orthogonal axes. It is not likely I've exhaustively surveyed therapists or anything, so I can only vaguely tell they must be there.

    I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder, hoping someone knows what to do about it, (but they went through a whole college and nobody did anything) which means they model disorder in their patient sessions. Haha, oops.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @SFG

    , @New Dealer
    @Alfa158

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Goddard, @martin_2, @Kylie

    , @Pixo
    @Alfa158

    My mother visited one for depression in the 1990s for about six months. One full week in a nuthouse after having a panic attack, and then an hour a week afterwards.

    It was helpful in convincing her to take a less stressful job, and the depression never returned. They instructed her on stress reduction techniques like breathing exercises.

    , @Emil
    @Alfa158

    I have a friend who's been seeing a psychiatrist since he was in his teens. He's 62 now. He hasn't changed a bit: just as neurotic as he ever was, and still a chronic pothead. For all the good that psychiatry has done him, he may as well have fired up his joints with hundred-dollar bills.

    , @Simon
    @Alfa158


    I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all...
     
    Does seeing a therapist for years really make a difference in one's life? I think the wisest answer is contained in this punch line from an old joke: “I still wet the bed, but now I know why."
  55. I don’t think these men want to be women; they want to be the court eunuch with the traditional power of a court eunuch.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @Anon

    The Unexpected Reactionary Politics of Transexual Women will appear shortly in National Review. See also Bene Tleilax Face Dancers of Dune.

  56. Autogynephilia explained by Beavis and Butt-Head (from Season 3, Episode 8, “Cleaning House,” while watching the video of “Crucified” by Army of Lovers.)

    Beavis: I wish I had boobs like that.
    Butt-Head: If I had boobs like that, I’d never leave the house.

  57. @Alfa158
    Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    Replies: @Alrenous, @New Dealer, @Pixo, @Emil, @Simon

    I regularly perform cognitive behavioural therapy on myself, and it works great.

    Caveat 1: I call it Stoicism, because I’m not into newspeak bureaucratese.

    Caveat 2: I suspect there’s a strict IQ threshold. It’s a cognitively demanding process. I would like to think anyone could do it, but I’ve been distinctly wrong about that sort of thing before.

    Caveat 3: doing it on yourself is dramatically easier than trying it on someone else, because you can see exactly what you’re working on, rather than trying to clumsily describe it in English.

    These things are regional. Despite what newspapers and the TV will tell you, quality varies considerably. Especially across red state / blue state lines and similar. Naturally hardcore democrats will encourage mental dissonance, whereas red staters actually feel shame if they don’t try to make you better.

    Note I’ve said nothing about competence, merely inclination. Competence varies by some other orthogonal axes. It is not likely I’ve exhaustively surveyed therapists or anything, so I can only vaguely tell they must be there.

    I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder, hoping someone knows what to do about it, (but they went through a whole college and nobody did anything) which means they model disorder in their patient sessions. Haha, oops.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alrenous

    "I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder"

    It's a cliche among old-school nurses that mental health nursing attracts those who are "a bit that way themselves". Lord knows what kind of nurses the Tumblristas will produce.

    (And also that male nurses are "off" in some way.)

    , @SFG
    @Alrenous

    The founder of rational emotive behavioral therapy, the precursor to CBT, Albert Ellis, regularly mentioned the Stoic antecedents of his philosophy.

    He regularly had sessions open to the public on Friday nights to demonstrate his technique where he would tell people they had ‘screwed up thinking’ and that life was ‘tough shit’.

    About as manly as a therapeutic technique gets, I think. Short of building a cabin in the woods. Which, hey, if you don’t feel better at least you now have a cabin in the woods.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @Peter D. Bredon

  58. Not long after I made that admission, Dr. P died of a massive heart attack 20 minutes after I left his office.

    OK, that’s funny.

    Indeed. Sort of the acceptable, post-Christian version of being struck by lightning.

    It would have been funnier, though, if reversed, as here at 0:28

  59. The ramification is that that’s a massive tell for the fetish of autogynephilia, which is basically getting your sex objects (women) and your sex subject (yourself) confused.

    This always reminds me of this passage from Naked Lunch: “I am the only complete man in the industry.”

    Naked Lunch
    (an excerpt)
    William Burroughs
    copyright © 1959 Grove Press

    ‘Selling is more of a habit than using,’ Lupita says. Nonusing pushers have a contact habit, and that’s one you can’t kick. Agents get it too. Take Bradley the Buyer. Best narcotics agent in the industry. Anyone would make him for junk. (Note: Make in the sense of dig or size up.) I mean he can walk up to a pusher and score direct. He is so anonymous, grey and spectral the pusher don’t remember him afterwards. So he twists one after the other …

    Well the Buyer comes to look more and more like a junky. He can’t drink. He can’t get it up. His teeth fall out. (Like pregnant women lose their teeth feeding the stranger, junkies lose their yellow fangs feeding the monkey.) He is all the time sucking on a candy bar. Baby Ruths he digs special. ‘It really disgust you to see the Buyer sucking on them candy bars so nasty,’ a cop says.

    The Buyer takes on an ominous grey-green color. Fact is his body is making its own junk or equivalent. The Buyer has a steady connection. A Man Within you might say. Or so he thinks. ‘I’ll just set in my room,’ he says. ‘F**k ’em all. Squares on both sides. I am the only complete man in the industry.’

    [MORE]

    But a yen comes on him like a great black wind through the bones. So the Buyer hunts up a young junky and gives him a paper to make it.

    ‘Oh all right,’ the boy says. ‘So what you want to make?’

    ‘I just want to rub against you and get fixed.’

    ‘Ugh … Well all right … But why cancha just get physical like a human?’

    Later the boy is sitting in a Waldorf with two colleagues dunking pound cake. ‘Most distasteful thing I ever stand still for,’ he says. ‘Some way he make himself all soft like a blob of jelly and surround me so nasty. Then he gets well all over like with green slime. So I guess he come to some kinda awful climax … I come near wigging with that green stuff all over me, and he stink like a old rotten cantaloupe.’

    ‘Well it’s still an easy score.’

    The boy signed resignedly; ‘Yes, I guess you can get used to anything. I’ve got a meet with him again tomorrow.’

    The Buyer’s habit keeps getting heavier. He needs a recharge every half hour. Sometimes he cruises the precincts and bribes the turnkey to let him in with a cell of junkies. It gets to where no amount of contact will fix him. At this point he receives a summons from the District Supervisor:

    ‘Bradley, your conduct has given rise to rumors — and I hope for your sake they are no more than that — so unspeakably distasteful that … I mean Caesar’s wife … hrump … that is, the Department must be above suspicion … certainly above such suspicions as you have seemingly aroused. You are lowering the entire tone of the industry. We are prepared to accept your immediate resignation.’

    The Buyer throws himself on the ground and crawls over to the D.S. ‘No, Boss Man, no … The Department is my very lifeline.’

    He kisses the D.S.’s hand thrusting his fingers into his mouth (the D.S. must feel his toothless gums) complaining he has lost his teeth ‘inna thervith.’ ‘Please Boss Man, I’ll wipe your ass, I’ll wash out your dirty condoms, I’ll polish your shoes with the oil on my nose …’

    ‘Really, this is most distasteful! Have you no pride? I must tell you I feel a distinct revulsion. I mean there is something, well, rotten about you, and you smell like a compost heap.’ He put a scented handkerchief in front of his face. ‘I must ask you to leave this office at once.’

    ‘I’ll do anything, Boss, anything.’ His ravaged green face splits in a horrible smile. ‘I’m still young, Boss, and I’m pretty strong when I get my blood up.’

    The D.S. retches into his handkerchief and points to the door with a limp hand. The Buyer stands up looking at the D.S. dreamily. His body begins to dip like a dowser’s wand. He flows forward …

    ‘No! No!’ screams the D.S.

    ‘Schlup … schlup schlup.’ An hour later they find the Buyer on the nod in the D.S.’s chair. The D.S. has disappeared without a trace.

    The Judge : ‘Everything indicates that you have, in some unspeakable manner uh … assimilated the District Supervisor. Unfortunately there is no proof. I would recommend that you be confined or more accurately contained in some institution, but I know of no place suitable for a man of your caliber. I must reluctantly order your release.’

    ‘That one should stand in an aquarium,’ says the arresting officer.

    The Buyer spreads terror throughout the industry. Junkies and agents disappear. Like a vampire bat he gives off a narcotic effluvium, a dank green mist that anesthizes his victioms and renders them helpless in his enveloping presence. And once he has scored he holes up for several days like a gorged boa constrictor. Finally he is caught in the act of digesting the Narcotics Commissioner and destroyed with a flame thrower — the court of inquiry ruling that such means were justified in that the Buyer had lost his human citizenship and was, in consequence, a creature without species and a menace to the narcotics industry on all levels.

  60. @Dieter Kief

    Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.
     
    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe's famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb - no matter how high the absurdity rises you're about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. - A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bill, @SFG

    “without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe.”

    Congratulations, that’s practically a line straight out of Finnegans Wake (which is actually a quite hilarious book, btw, don’t be scared, the water’s fine, it’s not a thassle).

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Great (and uplifting!) comment. - Thx alot!*** Btw. - you might find this a bit overfluos, but my eyes are great and all (I'm a photographer and was an art-critic for quite a while), but they are biologically a bit special (my blind spots are - huge. My eye-doctor was exited when she saw them the first time: "You see this usually only in books..." - well and this comes at a price when little rather uniform objects like letters need to be deciphered and kept in line...

    I have a glimpse at times - but never for too long - at Finnegan's Wake. Thing is: I came across some predecessors of Joyce, who did blow me away. No. 1 are the Fratracies - medieval (!) French absurd texts, which seem to have been a sort of competition at times amongst French writers and are indeed very close to Joyce. Hilarious.

    And then there is Johann Fischart, a lawyer and a government-official (not too far away from a regional king in his little town in the Northern Black Forest, where he finally ended up - to his great pleasure. Because now he had the time and the ressources to write those utmost & super-ticky meta-texts the literary world had never seen before - at least not in German. Incredible, that such mega over the top and hyper-complex texts as Fischarts monumental Geschichtsklitterung got printed and did even sell - for enormous amounts by today's standards, they were sold - if not in big numbers, but sold nevertheless in bookstores along the Upper Rhine, by and large - - in Straßburg, Zürich, Basel, Speyer, Mannheim, Heidelberg, Frankfurt etc. from 1590 or so on ff.). 

    Fischart did channel the already very loose Francois Rabelais' absurdly cruel, vulgar, funny, grotesque and humorous novelGargantua and Pantagruel (see La Grande Bouffe - a movie in that spirit*****. But on top of this Frenchman's writings, which were already looked upon as the clandestine instruction-manuals for mental asylums, Fischart doubled down and accelerated the speed... - and at times he seems-  at least seen from today's perspective -  not to care at all whether the reader could still somehow at least follow. Or got transfixed and overwhelmed.(I recently bought a two-colored reprint from1891 (red and black) for 4 Euros. - Such books are  practically available for free now...)

    *****https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=la+grnade+bouffe+movie+trailer&&view=detail&mid=309E87623EA16A4A0DAE309E87623EA16A4A0DAE&rvsmid=EAFE575F11A95EC8302AEAFE575F11A95EC8302A&FORM=VDQVAP

  61. @Charon

    Changing genders was a strange and electric idea that had lived somewhere in the recesses of my mind for the better part of my 67 years.
     
    Note that the claim is that the "idea had lived" somewhere for 34 years or so.

    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then
     

    Around 1991, Dr. P got me to admit that I had tried on my mother’s dresses and undergarments in early adolescence
     
    1991. This was over 30 years ago.

    It's likely that the therapy predated the desire for transition, and it's possible that the therapy started in infancy.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @James N. Kennett

    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then

    Is spending a lifetime in therapy still a thing? Given the cost, it was always something of a Veblen good. I thought people had tired of that, or that the insurance companies put the kibosh on it.

    The whole Sieg Fraud scam was one of Their most brilliant grifts, a great way to siphon money from the idiot rich and not so rich (or no longer rich).

    “Und now, we may perhaps begin?” is the punchline delivered at the end of Portnoy’s Complaint.

    For years, the NYT would brook no criticism of Fraud, and even promoted hatch jobs on Jung, like Noll’s The Aryan Christ, simply because the editors were all getting twice weekly brainwashing from the cult.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  62. “ Try to find any feminine touch in the four photos of his study:”

    I notice a 1930-40s looking fan and side chair. I dabble in retro office equipment too, and the hobby seems to have a lot of masculine exmen.

  63. @Henry Canaday
    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @anonymous coward, @James J O'Meara, @SafeNow, @Bardon Kaldian

    I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that they have never cared about anything other than how great it will be to get pegged by their dominatrix.

  64. @slumber_j

    I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.
     
    That observation reminds me of nobody so much as my old and ultimately suicidal acquaintance Tony Bourdain--who as I've previously mentioned here entertained me the night we first met with obsessive monologues about NY gang lore, who had an obtrusive thing for The Ramones, etc. etc. Now that you mention it, one wonders...

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.
     
    Exactly right. My wife's uncle, now "aunt," was busted by his wife for his ladies' underpants problem in middle age, which started him on his late-in-life "journey" to "becoming" a "woman." You couldn't get more bourgeois than that dude: Ivy-League white-shoe lawyer from an old-school northeastern WASP family. He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.

    I remember the first time I met him maybe sixteen years ago. He hadn't yet inverted his penis or had himself castrated, but he was already dressing like a late-middle-aged empty-nester NYC member of the Colony Club who'd recently discovered Downtown and the color black and was maybe toying with the idea of buying a nice loft in Tribeca. On that occasion (and all subsequent occasions) he thoroughly creeped me out. And he utterly grossed my wife out by asking her where he could score some nice really tights around here, which apparently are in short supply in suburban Boston.

    Once she'd recovered, she recommended Wolford, on Madison Ave.

    Replies: @SFG, @Peter D. Bredon, @Buzz Mohawk, @Dieter Kief

    “He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.”

    Back in the 90s I knew a drag queen in NYC who used the nom de drag of… well, I won’t reveal that, but let’s say it was Mrs. John Smith, which would have been his mother’s name. He was indeed from some upstate monied family. I often wonder what his father (Mr. John Smith) or mother thought of this.

  65. @slumber_j
    @Henry Canaday


    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?
     
    Not in my experience: it's really just a weird sort of narcissism, with all that that implies. My uncle-in-law's transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter--lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Kylie

    “His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.”

    It’s like a multi-level marketing scam, or a chain letter.

  66. @Henry Canaday
    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @anonymous coward, @James J O'Meara, @SafeNow, @Bardon Kaldian

    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct…Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Yes, nurturing/caring. But another candidate is fairmindedness; relief from the subjectivity of testosterone-driven, competitive and too-aggressive maleness. So I ask, do these male-to-female converts seem to be especially fairminded? For example, is it fair to ruin women’s sports and shower-room modesty? The question answers itself.

  67. @Dieter Kief

    Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.
     
    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe's famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb - no matter how high the absurdity rises you're about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. - A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bill, @SFG

    Yeah a lot of public virtue signalling is self-flagellation and other-flagellation. Safe S&M, no safe-word needed.

    Like mask-o-chism.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  68. @Steve Sailer
    @John Mansfield

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no ...

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon, @AndrewR, @Tom Eff

    I hate to call Ellen Page “middle aged” (because she’s younger than I am and I don’t like describing myself as such), but she definitely showed post-wall dessication by the time she decided to LARP as a boy. In her prime she was really hot, but she aged like milk.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AndrewR

    Rain Wilson got two hotnesses-of-the-moment to do reverse-rape scenes with him, still-female Page in Super and Selma Blair in a video of Baby It's Cold Outside. Now Page is a tranny and Cold Outside is taken off Christmas music lists. Our civilizational collapse continues apace.

  69. @J.Ross
    Re Lou Reed, "as soon as AIDS came along he" what? Did he use an action verb?
    --------------
    The Old Man from the Phantasm movies has found another way to increase the cost of gas: a federal judge has rejected the sale of a big oilfield on environmental grounds.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    Lou got married in the early Eighties – when being married was still generally thought a sign of respectable heterosexuality; even Elton John was briefly supposed not to be a total poof when he acquired a German wife.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Joe S.Walker

    I already know this story because I was born in the comments, moderated by them, but it is clear that a ton of newcomers are visiting. I am seeing and hearing iStevey ideas and even direct references on an ever widening basis.

  70. @Alfa158
    Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    Replies: @Alrenous, @New Dealer, @Pixo, @Emil, @Simon

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @New Dealer

    Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Indubitably financed by his employers' insurance plans.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Goddard
    @New Dealer


    A single exception.
     
    Viktor Frankl is evidence enough that not all psychs are fraudsters—and that not all Jews are monsters.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @martin_2
    @New Dealer


    I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.
     
    That's what I was thinking. It's must be dull to be obsessed with one's selfhood all the time. "Am I a man or am I a woman?" would be a peculiar but rather uninteresting question to ask myself.
    , @Kylie
    @New Dealer

    "Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself."

    Omg, yes. I'm such a dull person, I'd die of boredom if I had to think about myself. Thank God for music, books and movies. Had a checkup two days ago, my PCP told me I was doing "fabulous". Of course I am!
    My Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend, I plan to rewatch "Screaming Mimi", "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and "The Big Combo" (all free on YouTube) and I found a mystery novel that looks promising online for free. I have my dog and cat for company and you guys to interact with online (not you, Alden). Life is good and I am blessed.

    These navel gazers are beyond contempt. I think of my friends who fought and lost battles with terminal illnesses and how they'd love another day just to be alive (despite inhabiting bodies ravaged by disease) and my loathing for these freakish narcissists is boundless. Ingratitude is one of the worst sins.

    Replies: @Thea

  71. @Verymuchalive
    The answer is simple. If these people want their penes and scrota removed, let them. But no hormones. Let society deal with them for what they are - eunuchs. I'm sure that demand for such operations would dry up overnight.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @SunBakedSuburb

    I applaud you for using the Latin plurals of the male genitalia.

    I raise you vaginae, vulvae, clitorides, and in the opposite direction, labium.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    Thanks.
    Misspent childhood - I had a Classical education, but it does come in handy now and then.

  72. @Pat Hannagan
    Sante skips over the part about masturbating in front of a mirror while wearing his mom’s lingerie and downplays other sexual aspects of his sex fetish to fit in with the conventions of our rather sexless Age of Gender Identity.

    Great post. Top post.

    I'd love to see you expand upon this one into a few scathing essays.

    But I'd also like you to consider that what's happening isn't some irrational sexual-response thing played out in public but, consider for a moment, that people are not rational, and that forces far more eternal and powerful than politicians know how to pull and push our buttons.

    That these groups, with no democratic oversight, and no restraint upon their funding, have been manipulating the public since at least Gilbert and Sullivan wrote "When I was a Lad".

    Far too much is made of these sexual peccadillos, it's prurient and pretty much Daily Mail soft-core-porno journo, when in fact people are clearly being group manipulated into submission to shaming authority groups.

    For instance, today I read a story in news.com.au about how a "porn star" teen slut with an only-fans account submitted that it is "cringe" her uncle sent her a text saying "nice" after he happened to come across her doing porno on the internet.

    This is reality. This is the world we are purported to live in.

    You're the man to tear down this wall, Mr. Sailer!

    You're than man who'll point out this ridiculous media manipulation has been going on for too long, needs to end, and people require nourishment on good education and facts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kX8lqXAONg

    Replies: @El Dato

    For instance, today I read a story in news.com.au about how a “porn star” teen slut with an only-fans account submitted that it is “cringe” her uncle sent her a text saying “nice” after he happened to come across her doing porno on the internet.

    This is reality. This is the world we are purported to live in.

    And we do! I think even John Brunner didn’t think of that one when writing dystopian but oh-so-realist SciFi.

    That “nice” is sooo open to interpretation … 🙃 who knows what’s behind it!

    And now for some Japanese flowing pictures which capture the mood:

  73. Relevant to Steve’s recent retweet:

    https://twitter.com/tysonbrody/status/1486555278816460800

    As I’ve said before, wokeness isn’t about sexual excess, and conservatives will make mistakes if they try to interpret it in that frame.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @IHTG


    As I’ve said before, wokeness isn’t about sexual excess, and conservatives will make mistakes if they try to interpret it in that frame.
     
    This seems to be right. It get the impresion that sex would not be too much of a thing these days. Its less about sexual excesses than about sexual exhaustion / and desillusionment. 12 year olds have - literally - seen it all - thousands of times...The secret and the magic - have already left the building, so to speak...
  74. @John Mansfield
    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation. How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe S.Walker, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    A lot of trannies have names that are dead giveaways. They tend to sound like the name of the heroine from somebody’s unpublished novel.

  75. @Charon

    Changing genders was a strange and electric idea that had lived somewhere in the recesses of my mind for the better part of my 67 years.
     
    Note that the claim is that the "idea had lived" somewhere for 34 years or so.

    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then
     

    Around 1991, Dr. P got me to admit that I had tried on my mother’s dresses and undergarments in early adolescence
     
    1991. This was over 30 years ago.

    It's likely that the therapy predated the desire for transition, and it's possible that the therapy started in infancy.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @James N. Kennett

    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then

    You might expect that a good therapist would discern the patient’s inner desire to change sex, and guide him towards recognition within, say, five years.

    Either the therapists were useless, or the desire itself is a fiction. It is a mere fetish, as Steve says.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @James N. Kennett

    There's that old joke about psychiatrists charging rent to live in dream castles.

  76. @slumber_j

    I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.
     
    That observation reminds me of nobody so much as my old and ultimately suicidal acquaintance Tony Bourdain--who as I've previously mentioned here entertained me the night we first met with obsessive monologues about NY gang lore, who had an obtrusive thing for The Ramones, etc. etc. Now that you mention it, one wonders...

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.
     
    Exactly right. My wife's uncle, now "aunt," was busted by his wife for his ladies' underpants problem in middle age, which started him on his late-in-life "journey" to "becoming" a "woman." You couldn't get more bourgeois than that dude: Ivy-League white-shoe lawyer from an old-school northeastern WASP family. He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.

    I remember the first time I met him maybe sixteen years ago. He hadn't yet inverted his penis or had himself castrated, but he was already dressing like a late-middle-aged empty-nester NYC member of the Colony Club who'd recently discovered Downtown and the color black and was maybe toying with the idea of buying a nice loft in Tribeca. On that occasion (and all subsequent occasions) he thoroughly creeped me out. And he utterly grossed my wife out by asking her where he could score some nice really tights around here, which apparently are in short supply in suburban Boston.

    Once she'd recovered, she recommended Wolford, on Madison Ave.

    Replies: @SFG, @Peter D. Bredon, @Buzz Mohawk, @Dieter Kief

    Thank you for your contributions here. Very interesting and entertaining.

    I used to like Bourdain, until I started feeling like he was kind of a douche. Sad about his end, though. As someone who was twice long ago suicidal, I know how awful that feeling is.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that's worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven't lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven't thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you've been dealing with it for 45 years or so it's like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It's like cicadas that never go underground.

    Replies: @Ray P, @JMcG, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke

  77. @Pat Hannagan
    You assert what's happening is some sort of irrational outburst for no reason you've made clear, just something spontaneous and un-enforced through cultural reinforcement.

    " the fetish of autogynephilia"

    I'm with Morgoth in that I'm tired of liberals giving a psychological term to account for human behaviour that doesn't accord with their worldview.

    There is no "fetish of autogynephilia" that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land. Just as there is no mass psychosis overwhelming people into having their children shot with an experimental drug.

    People respond to authority. As they have forever! Just like women want men taller than them, just like their dad was.

    People are, by and large, irrational, and their irrational behaviour is premised on physical associations.

    If the entire media, educational authority and all parental authority is asserting that sex is malleable and that you'd better be questioning your own then people will do what they have always done: obey authority!

    For only a select few "the fetish of autogynephilia" is being fulfilled, for the rest, it's the usual submissive response to authority.

    Where cultural leaders point, the majority follow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNEishcJa2o

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Pop Warner

    ” the fetish of autogynephilia”

    I’m with Morgoth in that I’m tired of liberals giving a psychological term to account for human behaviour that doesn’t accord with their worldview.

    There is no “fetish of autogynephilia” that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land.

    I suspect it was always there, but those afflicted with it learned to live with it.

    If the entire media, educational authority and all parental authority is asserting that sex is malleable and that you’d better be questioning your own then people will do what they have always done: obey authority!

    This is true; and once this idea is broadcast, people with the fetish (which is itself seldom discussed) suddenly come to the false realization that they are women trapped in men’s bodies.

  78. Living out here in the provinces and not really being connected to the cyber-world, so to speak, I get to wondering just how minute the community is that takes all this crap seriously. I never actually see anyone engaging in this stuff. Vagrants, we’ve got. Illegal aliens, we’ve got. Fentanyl, we’ve got. But transsexuals? Que?

    Isn’t there a kind of illusory consensus created by the fact that the advocates of this nonsense are concentrated in the media? If you actually live outside of a few major urban centers, and if you actually look at your actual physical neighbors, does this exist? I’m skeptical.

  79. From the Department of Well, Somebody’s Got To Dept. …..

  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    @slumber_j


    “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

    When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

    I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
     

    Dalrymple, though he may well have been channeling Robert Conquest.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Welp: wrong again!

  81. OT: The Remmo crime clan of Germany

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10451723/Trial-Germanys-Green-Vault-jewel-heist-opens-Dresden.html

    Six Germans are on trial for breaking into a museum in Dresden and stealing jewels worth \$130 million.

    Who are the Remmo clan? They are Arabic-speaking Kurds who emigrated from Lebanon to Berlin in the 1970s during the Lebanese Civil War.

    https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Remmo-Clan?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

    The extended family consists of 13 single families with around 500 to 1000 members (as of 2020). [6] Authorities bring the criminal part of the family with crimes such as serious violent crimes or bodily harm, extortion, robbery, drug trafficking, money laundering, receiving stolen goods, theft, illegal possession and trafficking of arms and murder. [1] [7] [8] [9] In 2017, a public prosecutor attributed the clan to over 1000 crimes – mainly burglaries and thefts – with a total damage of over 28 million euros.

    They discovered a way to enter Germany without permission, and remain:

    https://kyc360.riskscreen.com/news/meet-the-remmo-clan-the-arab-gang-that-has-become-germanys-most-notorious-organised-crime-family/

    They and the other clans took advantage of the Cold War division of Berlin to enter the West without paperwork. They flew to communist-controlled East Germany and bought cheap transit visas on arrival. Then they crossed to West Berlin, where authorities did not check their papers because they regarded the city as one. They could not be send back because of the turmoil in Lebanon, and were allowed to settle in Germany.

    According to the Wikipedia article, the Remmos were already stateless immigrants in Lebanon, having moved from Turkey in the 1930s. In the unlikely event that the German authorities got tough and wanted to send them back, it is probable that both Lebanon and Turkey would disown them.

    Possible lessons that we will never learn:
    1. Never accept immigrants from a tribal or clan-based society.
    2. If you accept people who are stateless, you have them and their descendants for ever.
    3. Make sure that immigration procedures (and borders) are watertight. Otherwise immigrants are not selected by you, they are self-selected.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @James N. Kennett


    Possible lessons that we will never learn:
    1. Never accept immigrants from a tribal or clan-based society.
    2. If you accept people who are stateless, you have them and their descendants for ever.
    3. Make sure that immigration procedures (and borders) are watertight. Otherwise immigrants are not selected by you, they are self-selected.
     
    These are fine lessons, but there's no reason to accept immigrants at all. (You might actually want a few exceptional people with exceptional skills, but it's hardly required.)

    The core problem is that modern states, with bureaucratized law enforcement are weak on parasite control. These parasites would have been a non-issue to ancient German tribes. And even in pre-modern times a community would deal with such people.

    A cohesive one-people nation has less of these issues as there are common norms everyone has that people generally assent to and can be enforced. But the minoritarian multi-ethnic imperial style state--what is being forced on the nations of the West--is positively a breeding ground for parasitism. The whole point is the host population has no rights to defend itself. Managing diversity is a driver of state power.

  82. @Alrenous
    @Alfa158

    I regularly perform cognitive behavioural therapy on myself, and it works great.

    Caveat 1: I call it Stoicism, because I'm not into newspeak bureaucratese.

    Caveat 2: I suspect there's a strict IQ threshold. It's a cognitively demanding process. I would like to think anyone could do it, but I've been distinctly wrong about that sort of thing before.

    Caveat 3: doing it on yourself is dramatically easier than trying it on someone else, because you can see exactly what you're working on, rather than trying to clumsily describe it in English.

    These things are regional. Despite what newspapers and the TV will tell you, quality varies considerably. Especially across red state / blue state lines and similar. Naturally hardcore democrats will encourage mental dissonance, whereas red staters actually feel shame if they don't try to make you better.

    Note I've said nothing about competence, merely inclination. Competence varies by some other orthogonal axes. It is not likely I've exhaustively surveyed therapists or anything, so I can only vaguely tell they must be there.

    I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder, hoping someone knows what to do about it, (but they went through a whole college and nobody did anything) which means they model disorder in their patient sessions. Haha, oops.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @SFG

    “I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder”

    It’s a cliche among old-school nurses that mental health nursing attracts those who are “a bit that way themselves”. Lord knows what kind of nurses the Tumblristas will produce.

    (And also that male nurses are “off” in some way.)

    • Agree: Alrenous
  83. @slumber_j
    @Henry Canaday


    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?
     
    Not in my experience: it's really just a weird sort of narcissism, with all that that implies. My uncle-in-law's transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter--lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Kylie

    “My uncle-in-law’s transsexual antics for example have resulted in mid-level mental illness for his poor daughter–lots of panic attacks, etc., which were not a thing before he decided he needed to be a lady. His response has pretty much been that she needs to seek help (but not from him) to deal with it better.”

    Why does she choose to deal with it at all? I’d cut him dead, for good and forever. It’s not the vile freakishness of his delusion that I find so repellent, it’s the expectation that the rest of you will acknowledge and enable it.

  84. His parents immigrated in 1960 in search of work, then returned to Belgium when they reached retirement age in 1987. He remained here. He has no siblings and has lived his life away from his collateral relatives. Some of his writing has references to girlfriends, but he never married and never fathered any children.

    I’m recalling the elderly Henry Fairlie’s remark that if you need to be talking to psychiatrists in old age, you should just jump off a bridge. His conversation with his ‘therapist’ is another piece of evidence that that trade is chock-a-block with bad people making the world worse.

  85. @New Dealer
    @Alfa158

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Goddard, @martin_2, @Kylie

    Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Indubitably financed by his employers’ insurance plans.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, guy goes to a psychologist and explains that he can't sleep a night because their are vile monsters lurking under his bed. Therapist assures him that he can help and it will take six months of twice weekly sessions at $500 per visit. Guy sighs and says he will get back to the therapist for scheduling. A month later the therapist runs into the guy at the supermarket and asks why he never got back to him..."I am ok now. My brother-in-law solved my problem for just $50." Therapist is taken aback and asks.."Is your brother-in-law a psychotherapist?" " Well no. He's a carpenter and he me charged $50 to saw the legs off my bed." Try the veal and don't forget to tip your waiter.

  86. @Anonymous
    He's just a boy, a toy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=063RGou-P_8

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    John Waters gets irritated by the trans nonsense, too. He said something like, ‘Divine didn’t want to be a woman, he wanted to be a monster.’

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans
  87. @anonymous coward
    @Henry Canaday


    because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct
     
    You don't really know too many women, do you? Lol.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    It’s you who doesn’t, or made really bad choices as regards female partners and friends.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Occasional lurker

    Femininity w.r.t. personal relationships is defined by cold-hearted rationality. That's just how women are by nature, there's no sense in fighting it.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

  88. @Henry Canaday
    The personality trait we most often associate with women, because women most often display the trait, is the nurturing or caring instinct, applied not only to their own children but to other people. Sometimes this caring instinct is carried to unrealistic or even self-destructive lengths, but it is almost always there.

    Have any of these guys-to-fake-women showed any similar tendency to care much more than ordinary males about other people, either before or after mutilating themselves?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @anonymous coward, @James J O'Meara, @SafeNow, @Bardon Kaldian

    No, it’s all about sex fetishism. No female brain, of course. Some gay men have, it seems, a feminized male brain, as can be seen here (28:30 & later):

  89. @Clyde
    Sante is going to have to go all -trans- in. Being a bald head stooge, he will now be haunting and haggling in the wigs and weaves shops. These fakers are really hormonized jamokes who like dressing in women's clothing. They are transvestites with hormone injections that rarely if ever get the big chop.

    Replies: @Goddard

    They are transvestites with hormone injections that rarely if ever get the big chop.

    Those trannies need to man up and go whole hog.

  90. @New Dealer
    @Alfa158

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Goddard, @martin_2, @Kylie

    A single exception.

    Viktor Frankl is evidence enough that not all psychs are fraudsters—and that not all Jews are monsters.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Goddard

    Viktor Frankl's book boasts of his super uber man ability to survive the camps where lesser beings croaked. Go read the stupid thing again.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

  91. We live in a female run society, so we get the female freakshow that women find appealing. Simple as that — the supply of freaks increases to meet the demand of bored middle aged women.

  92. OT : Military. Navy. Carrier.

    Question. Has the pilot been doxxed yet??


    Also: when was the last time our military did anything useful? For the country, I mean, as opposed to the ruling class.

    Final question: at this point is our military even capable of doing anything useful?

    “Team America: World Police” wasn’t supposed to mean the Keystone Kops.

    • LOL: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Hangnail Hans


    Also: when was the last time our military did anything useful? For the country, I mean, as opposed to the ruling class.

    Final question: at this point is our military even capable of doing anything useful?
     
    On January 7, 1973, U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Pitman took a CH-46 helicopter on his own initiative and flew into battle in New Orleans against a BLACK! U.S.Navy veteran, Mark Essex, who was conducting his own personal war against the honkies.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/19/marine-pilot-who-borrowed-helicopter-end-sniper-situation-has-died.html
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaTn8RXjS8M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKS58ZZXvNA

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  93. @Alrenous
    @Alfa158

    I regularly perform cognitive behavioural therapy on myself, and it works great.

    Caveat 1: I call it Stoicism, because I'm not into newspeak bureaucratese.

    Caveat 2: I suspect there's a strict IQ threshold. It's a cognitively demanding process. I would like to think anyone could do it, but I've been distinctly wrong about that sort of thing before.

    Caveat 3: doing it on yourself is dramatically easier than trying it on someone else, because you can see exactly what you're working on, rather than trying to clumsily describe it in English.

    These things are regional. Despite what newspapers and the TV will tell you, quality varies considerably. Especially across red state / blue state lines and similar. Naturally hardcore democrats will encourage mental dissonance, whereas red staters actually feel shame if they don't try to make you better.

    Note I've said nothing about competence, merely inclination. Competence varies by some other orthogonal axes. It is not likely I've exhaustively surveyed therapists or anything, so I can only vaguely tell they must be there.

    I have noticed that a lot but not all students of psychology are in it as a cry for help, not genuinely trying to help anyone else. They constantly broadcast their own disorder, hoping someone knows what to do about it, (but they went through a whole college and nobody did anything) which means they model disorder in their patient sessions. Haha, oops.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @SFG

    The founder of rational emotive behavioral therapy, the precursor to CBT, Albert Ellis, regularly mentioned the Stoic antecedents of his philosophy.

    He regularly had sessions open to the public on Friday nights to demonstrate his technique where he would tell people they had ‘screwed up thinking’ and that life was ‘tough shit’.

    About as manly as a therapeutic technique gets, I think. Short of building a cabin in the woods. Which, hey, if you don’t feel better at least you now have a cabin in the woods.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @SFG

    Although, ironically, means thinking deeply about your fee-fees.

    Nitpick: if it's tough you're probably doing it the hard way instead of the easy way. Stop trying to swim uphill...there isn't even a river there. Just walk. Also everything you might want is found at the base of the hill, so why are you even trying to go up in the first place? Everything instrumental, anyway. If the hill is the end, then being tough is the point and it's time to celebrate it working as intended, not to complain.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @SFG

    I was interested in Ellis as a phenom. Just another Big Nose who figured out how to merchandize the discoveries of White geniuses (the Stoics). Kinda like Saul of Tarsis. He was grandfathered into the system when NYS began to require medical degrees to be licensed as a therapist.

    Overall, I'd say some variant of the old cliche, what was original wasn't true, and what was true wasn't original. But if it leads someone to study the Stoics, more power to him.

    Replies: @SFG

  94. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Funny, I was reading something last week and came across the name ‘Lucy Sante’ and I thought uh-oh but nah maybe it’s his daughter or something.

    ‘Inner omertà’ is an interesting way to put it, he’s always had this kind of flat affect of ‘nothing’s shocking’ which he describes in his therapist. Still waters run deep I guess. Lou Reed was always in Monday after a Big Weekend mode, but I met a woman through a friend who said he used to pay her to put her arm up his bum. She was real little.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I think Lou Reed actually was gay. “Oh but he was married…” yeah right. He was gay until it paid to be straight, but inside, gay gay gay. If he’d lived longer he’d have come out of the closet.

    Bourdain was a depressive bisexual.

    I’m not surprised about Sante. Really creepy dude.

  95. @Alfa158
    Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    Replies: @Alrenous, @New Dealer, @Pixo, @Emil, @Simon

    My mother visited one for depression in the 1990s for about six months. One full week in a nuthouse after having a panic attack, and then an hour a week afterwards.

    It was helpful in convincing her to take a less stressful job, and the depression never returned. They instructed her on stress reduction techniques like breathing exercises.

  96. @Prester John
    I should be used to this by now but it still never ceases to amaze how much ink is invested on a group of people who comprise not even 1% of the population.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    But they don’t comprise 1% of the population of the 1%.

  97. @Verymuchalive
    The answer is simple. If these people want their penes and scrota removed, let them. But no hormones. Let society deal with them for what they are - eunuchs. I'm sure that demand for such operations would dry up overnight.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil, @SunBakedSuburb

    “eunuchs”

    This is the end game of the elite-driven gender-dysphoria madness. The real target is men, not women. Whether dropping T levels amongst men is natural order or synthetic in origin, something is afoot to make men — the fighters and fuckers, the heavy-lifters, the designers and builders — obsolete. We are no longer needed to propagate the species because humanity itself is transforming into something different. So clip off your balls, boys. Don that black mask of obedience and maybe you’ll find a place in the New Order.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @SunBakedSuburb

    There was a modern artist called Forrest Bess who performed some weird shit surgery on his own dick.

    His "art" sells for lots of money. Personally I think it's trash. Not even good enough for card design, as Georgia O'Keeffe was.

  98. @Intelligent Dasein
    A somewhat feminized body image is probably quite common (and quite harmless) among men, due simply to the fact that all children, including young boys, typically spend a lot more time around their mothers than they do around their fathers. It is probably mostly unconscious, but some psychological crisis (such as a family breakup, sexual abuse, or heavy drug use) might stir it up and bring it to the foreground, thus creating uncomfortable doubts about one's identity and sexuality.

    Among the many reasons the trans movement is wicked is this: Men who wish to exorcise this particular part of their psyche need a safe, supportive environment in which to talk about it, without being pounced on by the LGBT lobby. They should be reassured that having a feminized body image does not mean you're female and it does not mean you're gay---it's a common developmental hiccup that affects many men and it can be overcome. You're essential masculinity is not hindered by psychology or even by biology, but exists prior to these things. There is no such thing as an unsexed human soul, and there are only two sexes.

    Any "therapist" who does not take this approach with his patients is a quack. He has abdicated his most fundamental duty, viz. bringing people to greater sanity, not catering to the demons in their messed up heads.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Dieter Kief

    That is very insightful. Let me add this:

    A boy’s body is “girlish” compared to a man’s body. So the feminized body image you refer to is enhanced by the fact that every boy spends 14-16 years in a comparatively “girlish” body.

    Nowadays everybody whines about how hard it is for energetic little girls to grow hips and breasts, while it’s so easy for a boy to become a man. For the lost boys you refer to it’s not easy at all. Yes, therapy should be based on helping these poor kids grow into men.

    Sadly, we’re creating Lia Thomases instead. I’m not so sure that Thomas falls into the gay/autogynephile dichotomy that Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard identified. I think he’s a modern AMAB: a messed up kid who might have made the transition to normal if he’d had the right therapy at 14.

    • Replies: @Tom Eff
    @Paperback Writer

    Lia Thomas still has his boy-bits. And he is attracted to females. Surprise!

    , @CCZ
    @Paperback Writer


    Sadly, we’re creating Lia Thomases instead.
     
    And "Island Boys"!!!!

    TikTok-famous 'Island Boys' promote Army recruitment in Cameo.

    “Big shoutout to Staff Sergeant Tamez, you’re changing lives, giving out $50K,” Alex Venegas says in a Cameo video that was posted to TikTok by a Texas-based Army recruiter.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/tiktok-famous-island-boys-promote-army-recruitment-cameo-rcna13347

    https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1486035565409669124
  99. @Steve Sailer
    @John Mansfield

    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no ...

    Replies: @Altai, @Mr. Anon, @AndrewR, @Tom Eff

    Middle-aged white women are the drivers of the young F-to-M transition. They are ‘supportive’ while their motive is to get one more fertile young woman off the board, so they don’t have to compete. Middle-aged white women are also drivers of the M-to-F transitions; these are high-IQ men who have the means to pay for the expensive HRT (and maybe, someday, surgery) and this is a way for those M-AWW to be around men, without the expectation-and-rejection they would receive if they tried to hang out with a normal cis-het male without mental problems and had available options.

  100. @SFG
    @Alrenous

    The founder of rational emotive behavioral therapy, the precursor to CBT, Albert Ellis, regularly mentioned the Stoic antecedents of his philosophy.

    He regularly had sessions open to the public on Friday nights to demonstrate his technique where he would tell people they had ‘screwed up thinking’ and that life was ‘tough shit’.

    About as manly as a therapeutic technique gets, I think. Short of building a cabin in the woods. Which, hey, if you don’t feel better at least you now have a cabin in the woods.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @Peter D. Bredon

    Although, ironically, means thinking deeply about your fee-fees.

    Nitpick: if it’s tough you’re probably doing it the hard way instead of the easy way. Stop trying to swim uphill…there isn’t even a river there. Just walk. Also everything you might want is found at the base of the hill, so why are you even trying to go up in the first place? Everything instrumental, anyway. If the hill is the end, then being tough is the point and it’s time to celebrate it working as intended, not to complain.

  101. @Paperback Writer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That is very insightful. Let me add this:

    A boy's body is "girlish" compared to a man's body. So the feminized body image you refer to is enhanced by the fact that every boy spends 14-16 years in a comparatively "girlish" body.

    Nowadays everybody whines about how hard it is for energetic little girls to grow hips and breasts, while it's so easy for a boy to become a man. For the lost boys you refer to it's not easy at all. Yes, therapy should be based on helping these poor kids grow into men.

    Sadly, we're creating Lia Thomases instead. I'm not so sure that Thomas falls into the gay/autogynephile dichotomy that Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard identified. I think he's a modern AMAB: a messed up kid who might have made the transition to normal if he'd had the right therapy at 14.

    Replies: @Tom Eff, @CCZ

    Lia Thomas still has his boy-bits. And he is attracted to females. Surprise!

  102. @Alfa158
    Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    Replies: @Alrenous, @New Dealer, @Pixo, @Emil, @Simon

    I have a friend who’s been seeing a psychiatrist since he was in his teens. He’s 62 now. He hasn’t changed a bit: just as neurotic as he ever was, and still a chronic pothead. For all the good that psychiatry has done him, he may as well have fired up his joints with hundred-dollar bills.

  103. @slumber_j

    I wouldn’t say that literary journalist Luc Sante is “renowned,” but he’s been around for a long time writing about Downtown Manhattan smart straight guy topics like seeing the Ramones and Patti Smith at CBGBs, hanging out with director Jim Jarmusch, pre-Prohibition New York gangsters, Lou Reed, that kind of thing: the kind of guy who would have been a punk rocker if he’d had even minimal musical ability and extraversion.
     
    That observation reminds me of nobody so much as my old and ultimately suicidal acquaintance Tony Bourdain--who as I've previously mentioned here entertained me the night we first met with obsessive monologues about NY gang lore, who had an obtrusive thing for The Ramones, etc. etc. Now that you mention it, one wonders...

    In contrast, the autogynephilic straight guy look is more of a-simple-strand-of-tasteful-real-pearls modeled after their mothers, who were typically respectable bourgeois ladies.
     
    Exactly right. My wife's uncle, now "aunt," was busted by his wife for his ladies' underpants problem in middle age, which started him on his late-in-life "journey" to "becoming" a "woman." You couldn't get more bourgeois than that dude: Ivy-League white-shoe lawyer from an old-school northeastern WASP family. He has since literally renamed himself after his mother.

    I remember the first time I met him maybe sixteen years ago. He hadn't yet inverted his penis or had himself castrated, but he was already dressing like a late-middle-aged empty-nester NYC member of the Colony Club who'd recently discovered Downtown and the color black and was maybe toying with the idea of buying a nice loft in Tribeca. On that occasion (and all subsequent occasions) he thoroughly creeped me out. And he utterly grossed my wife out by asking her where he could score some nice really tights around here, which apparently are in short supply in suburban Boston.

    Once she'd recovered, she recommended Wolford, on Madison Ave.

    Replies: @SFG, @Peter D. Bredon, @Buzz Mohawk, @Dieter Kief

    Hey, I have a Wolford pyjama -heheh – two of them , and some – uhh muscle shirts – great stuff. From Bregenz, the little part of the Austrian shore-line of the lake of Constance. This is the rest of the once rather big textile industry around the lake. – I highly recommend their products! – I also highly recommend visiting Bregenz – and its Kunsthaus, a masterwork of modern architecture I love a lot by Pritzker-Prize-architect Peter Zumthor (who is busy in L. A. these days, btw.) – and wo lives and works near Bregenz in the Alp-Rhine valley.

  104. @New Dealer
    @Alfa158

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Goddard, @martin_2, @Kylie

    I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    That’s what I was thinking. It’s must be dull to be obsessed with one’s selfhood all the time. “Am I a man or am I a woman?” would be a peculiar but rather uninteresting question to ask myself.

  105. @Paperback Writer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That is very insightful. Let me add this:

    A boy's body is "girlish" compared to a man's body. So the feminized body image you refer to is enhanced by the fact that every boy spends 14-16 years in a comparatively "girlish" body.

    Nowadays everybody whines about how hard it is for energetic little girls to grow hips and breasts, while it's so easy for a boy to become a man. For the lost boys you refer to it's not easy at all. Yes, therapy should be based on helping these poor kids grow into men.

    Sadly, we're creating Lia Thomases instead. I'm not so sure that Thomas falls into the gay/autogynephile dichotomy that Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard identified. I think he's a modern AMAB: a messed up kid who might have made the transition to normal if he'd had the right therapy at 14.

    Replies: @Tom Eff, @CCZ

    Sadly, we’re creating Lia Thomases instead.

    And “Island Boys”!!!!

    TikTok-famous ‘Island Boys’ promote Army recruitment in Cameo.

    “Big shoutout to Staff Sergeant Tamez, you’re changing lives, giving out \$50K,” Alex Venegas says in a Cameo video that was posted to TikTok by a Texas-based Army recruiter.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/tiktok-famous-island-boys-promote-army-recruitment-cameo-rcna13347

  106. @Intelligent Dasein
    A somewhat feminized body image is probably quite common (and quite harmless) among men, due simply to the fact that all children, including young boys, typically spend a lot more time around their mothers than they do around their fathers. It is probably mostly unconscious, but some psychological crisis (such as a family breakup, sexual abuse, or heavy drug use) might stir it up and bring it to the foreground, thus creating uncomfortable doubts about one's identity and sexuality.

    Among the many reasons the trans movement is wicked is this: Men who wish to exorcise this particular part of their psyche need a safe, supportive environment in which to talk about it, without being pounced on by the LGBT lobby. They should be reassured that having a feminized body image does not mean you're female and it does not mean you're gay---it's a common developmental hiccup that affects many men and it can be overcome. You're essential masculinity is not hindered by psychology or even by biology, but exists prior to these things. There is no such thing as an unsexed human soul, and there are only two sexes.

    Any "therapist" who does not take this approach with his patients is a quack. He has abdicated his most fundamental duty, viz. bringing people to greater sanity, not catering to the demons in their messed up heads.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Dieter Kief

    Any “therapist” who does not take this approach with his patients is a quack. He has abdicated his most fundamental duty, viz. bringing people to greater sanity, not catering to the demons in their messed up heads.

    If I’d have to name but one important aspect of good therapeutic work, it would be what you are talking about here.

    One of the big traps for therapists (and teachers / and preachers…./ journalists, writers, historians…philsopshers…) is to go with the flow, no matter what.

    (Most of the times this approach results in more boring and less beneficial work across all those (and related) fields.)

  107. @New Dealer
    @Alfa158

    I agree.

    Trans personalities seem to be cursed with colossal narcissism. Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Man up. Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.

    I was a rebellious youth and was occasionally pushed or tempted to consult psychologists. Every single time the person was of mediocre intelligence, their insights fallacious, the pop psych books on their shelf childish. Would quit after one or two sessions.

    A single exception. In middle-age I consulted a counselor for 10 sessions and that helped. A close family member was spiraling into chaos (and eventually death) from what turned out to be a secret drug addiction. Could not discuss with family or friends because the relative engaged in irresponsible and illegal acts. He provided objective third-party assessment and advice about how to deal with the situation. And assured me that I was not crazy.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Goddard, @martin_2, @Kylie

    “Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself.”

    Omg, yes. I’m such a dull person, I’d die of boredom if I had to think about myself. Thank God for music, books and movies. Had a checkup two days ago, my PCP told me I was doing “fabulous”. Of course I am!
    My Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend, I plan to rewatch “Screaming Mimi”, “Picnic at Hanging Rock” and “The Big Combo” (all free on YouTube) and I found a mystery novel that looks promising online for free. I have my dog and cat for company and you guys to interact with online (not you, Alden). Life is good and I am blessed.

    These navel gazers are beyond contempt. I think of my friends who fought and lost battles with terminal illnesses and how they’d love another day just to be alive (despite inhabiting bodies ravaged by disease) and my loathing for these freakish narcissists is boundless. Ingratitude is one of the worst sins.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Kylie


    Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend,
     
    If you haven’t read “Symphony for the city of the Dead” then I highly recommend it

    Replies: @Kylie

  108. @R.G. Camara

    His career peak might have been serving as historical consultant on Scorsese’s Gangs of New York,
     
    Being the "historical consultant" on that film fits in quite nicely with his trannyism. Both are wildly exaggerated depictions of a belief about reality that is so untrue its downright funny.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I though Gangs of New York was based on Joe Biden’s childhood the way A Bronx Tale was supposedly based on Robert DeNiro’s?

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Mike Tre

    From Bill the Butcher to Corn Pop, the trajectory of America's decline.

  109. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dieter Kief

    "without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe."

    Congratulations, that's practically a line straight out of Finnegans Wake (which is actually a quite hilarious book, btw, don't be scared, the water's fine, it's not a thassle).

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Great (and uplifting!) comment. – Thx alot!*** Btw. – you might find this a bit overfluos, but my eyes are great and all (I’m a photographer and was an art-critic for quite a while), but they are biologically a bit special (my blind spots are – huge. My eye-doctor was exited when she saw them the first time: “You see this usually only in books…” – well and this comes at a price when little rather uniform objects like letters need to be deciphered and kept in line…

    I have a glimpse at times – but never for too long – at Finnegan’s Wake. Thing is: I came across some predecessors of Joyce, who did blow me away. No. 1 are the Fratracies – medieval (!) French absurd texts, which seem to have been a sort of competition at times amongst French writers and are indeed very close to Joyce. Hilarious.

    And then there is Johann Fischart, a lawyer and a government-official (not too far away from a regional king in his little town in the Northern Black Forest, where he finally ended up – to his great pleasure. Because now he had the time and the ressources to write those utmost & super-ticky meta-texts the literary world had never seen before – at least not in German. Incredible, that such mega over the top and hyper-complex texts as Fischarts monumental Geschichtsklitterung got printed and did even sell – for enormous amounts by today’s standards, they were sold – if not in big numbers, but sold nevertheless in bookstores along the Upper Rhine, by and large – – in Straßburg, Zürich, Basel, Speyer, Mannheim, Heidelberg, Frankfurt etc. from 1590 or so on ff.). 

    Fischart did channel the already very loose Francois Rabelais’ absurdly cruel, vulgar, funny, grotesque and humorous novelGargantua and Pantagruel (see La Grande Bouffe – a movie in that spirit*****. But on top of this Frenchman’s writings, which were already looked upon as the clandestine instruction-manuals for mental asylums, Fischart doubled down and accelerated the speed… – and at times he seems-  at least seen from today’s perspective –  not to care at all whether the reader could still somehow at least follow. Or got transfixed and overwhelmed.(I recently bought a two-colored reprint from1891 (red and black) for 4 Euros. – Such books are  practically available for free now…)

    *****https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=la+grnade+bouffe+movie+trailer&&view=detail&mid=309E87623EA16A4A0DAE309E87623EA16A4A0DAE&rvsmid=EAFE575F11A95EC8302AEAFE575F11A95EC8302A&FORM=VDQVAP

  110. @IHTG
    Relevant to Steve's recent retweet:

    https://twitter.com/tysonbrody/status/1486555278816460800

    As I've said before, wokeness isn't about sexual excess, and conservatives will make mistakes if they try to interpret it in that frame.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    As I’ve said before, wokeness isn’t about sexual excess, and conservatives will make mistakes if they try to interpret it in that frame.

    This seems to be right. It get the impresion that sex would not be too much of a thing these days. Its less about sexual excesses than about sexual exhaustion / and desillusionment. 12 year olds have – literally – seen it all – thousands of times…The secret and the magic – have already left the building, so to speak…

  111. Didn’t even finish reading Steve’s post. Negative experience to read about yet another of these disgusting freaks.

    Minoritarianism makes everything ugly. The salient issue now is simply how to get out from under it–allow normal people who wish to to live their lives according their own values, norms, culture.

  112. @Pat Hannagan
    You assert what's happening is some sort of irrational outburst for no reason you've made clear, just something spontaneous and un-enforced through cultural reinforcement.

    " the fetish of autogynephilia"

    I'm with Morgoth in that I'm tired of liberals giving a psychological term to account for human behaviour that doesn't accord with their worldview.

    There is no "fetish of autogynephilia" that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land. Just as there is no mass psychosis overwhelming people into having their children shot with an experimental drug.

    People respond to authority. As they have forever! Just like women want men taller than them, just like their dad was.

    People are, by and large, irrational, and their irrational behaviour is premised on physical associations.

    If the entire media, educational authority and all parental authority is asserting that sex is malleable and that you'd better be questioning your own then people will do what they have always done: obey authority!

    For only a select few "the fetish of autogynephilia" is being fulfilled, for the rest, it's the usual submissive response to authority.

    Where cultural leaders point, the majority follow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNEishcJa2o

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Pop Warner

    There is no “fetish of autogynephilia” that has suddenly for no reason taken hold across the land. Just as there is no mass psychosis overwhelming people into having their children shot with an experimental drug.

    I agree entirely. The various conservative pundits and personalities rush to give new terms to otherwise mundane and historical phenomena, namely authoritarianism and its loyal subjects. People don’t need to be duped or hypnotized into doing what the authority wants, many willingly follow authority no matter what and others are bullied and intimidated into compliance. There are those utterly terrified of the regime and those utterly loyal to it, no Mass psychosis needed.

    • Agree: Forbes
  113. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Verymuchalive

    "eunuchs"

    This is the end game of the elite-driven gender-dysphoria madness. The real target is men, not women. Whether dropping T levels amongst men is natural order or synthetic in origin, something is afoot to make men -- the fighters and fuckers, the heavy-lifters, the designers and builders -- obsolete. We are no longer needed to propagate the species because humanity itself is transforming into something different. So clip off your balls, boys. Don that black mask of obedience and maybe you'll find a place in the New Order.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    There was a modern artist called Forrest Bess who performed some weird shit surgery on his own dick.

    His “art” sells for lots of money. Personally I think it’s trash. Not even good enough for card design, as Georgia O’Keeffe was.

  114. @James N. Kennett
    OT: The Remmo crime clan of Germany

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10451723/Trial-Germanys-Green-Vault-jewel-heist-opens-Dresden.html

    Six Germans are on trial for breaking into a museum in Dresden and stealing jewels worth $130 million.

    Who are the Remmo clan? They are Arabic-speaking Kurds who emigrated from Lebanon to Berlin in the 1970s during the Lebanese Civil War.

    https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Remmo-Clan?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc


    The extended family consists of 13 single families with around 500 to 1000 members (as of 2020). [6] Authorities bring the criminal part of the family with crimes such as serious violent crimes or bodily harm, extortion, robbery, drug trafficking, money laundering, receiving stolen goods, theft, illegal possession and trafficking of arms and murder. [1] [7] [8] [9] In 2017, a public prosecutor attributed the clan to over 1000 crimes - mainly burglaries and thefts - with a total damage of over 28 million euros.
     
    They discovered a way to enter Germany without permission, and remain:

    https://kyc360.riskscreen.com/news/meet-the-remmo-clan-the-arab-gang-that-has-become-germanys-most-notorious-organised-crime-family/


    They and the other clans took advantage of the Cold War division of Berlin to enter the West without paperwork. They flew to communist-controlled East Germany and bought cheap transit visas on arrival. Then they crossed to West Berlin, where authorities did not check their papers because they regarded the city as one. They could not be send back because of the turmoil in Lebanon, and were allowed to settle in Germany.
     
    According to the Wikipedia article, the Remmos were already stateless immigrants in Lebanon, having moved from Turkey in the 1930s. In the unlikely event that the German authorities got tough and wanted to send them back, it is probable that both Lebanon and Turkey would disown them.

    Possible lessons that we will never learn:
    1. Never accept immigrants from a tribal or clan-based society.
    2. If you accept people who are stateless, you have them and their descendants for ever.
    3. Make sure that immigration procedures (and borders) are watertight. Otherwise immigrants are not selected by you, they are self-selected.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Possible lessons that we will never learn:
    1. Never accept immigrants from a tribal or clan-based society.
    2. If you accept people who are stateless, you have them and their descendants for ever.
    3. Make sure that immigration procedures (and borders) are watertight. Otherwise immigrants are not selected by you, they are self-selected.

    These are fine lessons, but there’s no reason to accept immigrants at all. (You might actually want a few exceptional people with exceptional skills, but it’s hardly required.)

    The core problem is that modern states, with bureaucratized law enforcement are weak on parasite control. These parasites would have been a non-issue to ancient German tribes. And even in pre-modern times a community would deal with such people.

    A cohesive one-people nation has less of these issues as there are common norms everyone has that people generally assent to and can be enforced. But the minoritarian multi-ethnic imperial style state–what is being forced on the nations of the West–is positively a breeding ground for parasitism. The whole point is the host population has no rights to defend itself. Managing diversity is a driver of state power.

  115. @John Mansfield
    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation. How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe S.Walker, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    Caitlin Thomas, Dylan’s widow, would be 108 today. She’d have pronounced it the Irish way.

    If you really want to be edgy, you could use their daughter’s name, Aeronwy. How her Italian neighbors handled that…

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Reg Cæsar

    There are lots of YT clips where people explain how Irish names are really quite easy to pronounce and really entirely phonetic so actually BETTER than your stupid American names, but I'm not buying it. I think its a deliberate way to fuck with anglophones. As a son of the auld sod myself, that rings true.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  116. @Hangnail Hans
    OT : Military. Navy. Carrier.

    Question. Has the pilot been doxxed yet??


    https://i.ibb.co/G3fKKnJ/Capture-2022-01-28-15-32-44-2.png

    Also: when was the last time our military did anything useful? For the country, I mean, as opposed to the ruling class.

    Final question: at this point is our military even capable of doing anything useful?

    "Team America: World Police" wasn't supposed to mean the Keystone Kops.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Also: when was the last time our military did anything useful? For the country, I mean, as opposed to the ruling class.

    Final question: at this point is our military even capable of doing anything useful?

    On January 7, 1973, U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Pitman took a CH-46 helicopter on his own initiative and flew into battle in New Orleans against a BLACK! U.S.Navy veteran, Mark Essex, who was conducting his own personal war against the honkies.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/19/marine-pilot-who-borrowed-helicopter-end-sniper-situation-has-died.html

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Joe Stalin

    Excellent post.

    In my Forrest Gump-ian life, I had the honor and pleasure of meeting then Lt. Gen Chuck Pitman at a Marine Corps function in the 1980s. I had gotten out a while before--he was still in. Wound up spending the evening drinking with him and a few other top brass. Had a great time. He was every bit as impressive as you'd hope he'd be, while staying totally gracious, natural, and down to earth. Great man. He did a whole lot of heroics in his career--Getting rid of that feral jungle beast in New Orleans might be at the top.

    And the fking Pentagon was going to court-martial him for it, until a realist Southern Congressman with a lot of influence put the kibosh on that. It's not pretty to think what Congresscretins AOC or Brotherf'cker Omar would do to him these days. He'd be playing pinochle with Derek Chauvin.

  117. @Art Deco
    @New Dealer

    Forty years of weekly psychotherapy? Narcissism: me, me, me, me, me!

    Indubitably financed by his employers' insurance plans.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Art, guy goes to a psychologist and explains that he can’t sleep a night because their are vile monsters lurking under his bed. Therapist assures him that he can help and it will take six months of twice weekly sessions at \$500 per visit. Guy sighs and says he will get back to the therapist for scheduling. A month later the therapist runs into the guy at the supermarket and asks why he never got back to him…”I am ok now. My brother-in-law solved my problem for just \$50.” Therapist is taken aback and asks..”Is your brother-in-law a psychotherapist?” ” Well no. He’s a carpenter and he me charged \$50 to saw the legs off my bed.” Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your waiter.

  118. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Verymuchalive

    I applaud you for using the Latin plurals of the male genitalia.

    I raise you vaginae, vulvae, clitorides, and in the opposite direction, labium.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Thanks.
    Misspent childhood – I had a Classical education, but it does come in handy now and then.

  119. @Goddard
    @New Dealer


    A single exception.
     
    Viktor Frankl is evidence enough that not all psychs are fraudsters—and that not all Jews are monsters.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Viktor Frankl’s book boasts of his super uber man ability to survive the camps where lesser beings croaked. Go read the stupid thing again.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I often come across laudatory comments about Frankl and The Book, but I'm sure most haven't read it and are just repeating the conventional wisdom. It's too late for me to take a look, as I have a bellyful of Tribesmen explaining things to me.

    Replies: @Goddard

  120. @John Mansfield
    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation. How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Joe S.Walker, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation.

    Perhaps as possibly in this case mentioned above, it is about something related.

    Men in general believe that nearly all women can get sex any time they want, if they go out and seek it. For men, usually not easy.

    So an aging gay man will feel doubly frustrated. First as a male, second as a homosexual whose culture worships youth and beauty. Older men not desirable.

    So an aging queen might feel that by “transitioning” to female, problem solved! Of course I doubt many post 50 YO women would give him that recommendation. Still, it might improve his odds slightly. Or some may think so however wrong they might be.

    Of course many if not most ‘trans” women were not necessarily gay men before, so…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Muggles

    But are aging homosexuals declaring themselves women? Most of the examples of older men who are already prominent seem to be straight guys like Luc Sante.

  121. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    The fact that virtually no middle aged lesbians are deciding they were always boys on the inside ought to be a lesson to the younger generation of lesbians who are having themselves mutilated, but no …
     
    Is it even just young lesbians who are falling prey to the trans-mania? It seems to be rolling up a lot of more-or-less normal girls who are perhaps just on the neurotic and impressionable side.

    I wonder if the recent seeming trend of all these men deciding that they are really women doesn't owe something to the COVID-imposed social isolation of the last two years. With little to no feedback or the kind normally provided by living in society, it's easy for some people to just live in their own heads and give free reign to their weirder transient thoughts.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    It’s not generally lesbians who go trans, its nerdy and awkward young straight women who often want relationships with gay men. Writing and reading detailed fan fiction about male characters from popular movies/books (like Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy) having romantic relationships is the gateway drug that warps their minds.

  122. Here’s some news about straight men, Florida men, fathering children. Unfortunately, they are ordained priests, judging by their names mostly from Haiti:

    North Miami Catholic Monsignor Chanel Jeanty To Continue To Serve After Fathering Child

    Maybe Cuckoo Chanel comes from a long line of Catholic curates?

    What with a lower TFR and emigration to the east, this maybe a more accurate map of Hispaniola:

    In Haiti, the recent fertility rise seems to be of a radically different nature, resulting from a combination of earlier entry into sexual union and greater stability of unions. The originality of this situation calls for particular caution before the reality of the fertility rise can be accepted.

    The Recent Fertility Rise in Haiti: New Trends in Favour of Marital Union – jstor

  123. @Dieter Kief

    Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.
     
    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe's famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb - no matter how high the absurdity rises you're about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. - A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bill, @SFG

    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill


    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.
     
    "Publius" was plagiarizing the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the English Bill of Rights, of course, mindless hack that he was.


    5 Facts about the Bill of Rights

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  124. @Dieter Kief

    Instead, we are supposed to believe them unreservedly. Because they said so.
     
    A dominance thing. As was the absurd public value-system in old-style Communism (s. Theordore Dalrympe's famous claim that Communism was a lot about humiliating its unerlings (and its followers too at times).

    So: It is an integral aspect of this trans-thing, to be able (and feel entitled) to make others shut up and succumb - no matter how high the absurdity rises you're about to feed into their brains and nervous systems.

    The dream of sadists come true, without having to undergo the ratrh unpleasan thassles of real s/m, hehe. - A convenient way to act out your darkest wishes while the others have to bow down to you. A kind of self-empoered modern kingship (or church).

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Bill, @SFG

    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @SFG


    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.
     
    What I wrote above could be read this way, but it is not meant this way.
    (I, as turns out by close inspection, didn't write it in the way you understood it either, because I did not refer to sexual activities, but to pathological sadism as an everyday mindset.

    To make this clear: I did not say (nor mean to say) that S/M practitioners would fall into this category per se. Don't know much about this field, but my guess would be that there are pathological sadists among them. Would I think that they'd be overrepresented in this group?
    No, actually. - What yould you say, SFG?

    Replies: @SFG

  125. Is Luc(y) Sante the most prominent Walloon-American today? I’d have picked Paul Gigot, but see that he was born in San Antonio, despite having grown up in the heartbeat of Belgian America, Green Bay. (He mentions two different Jeters in this reminiscence.)

    I don’t know that Jean-Baptiste Frédéric Isidor “Toots” Thielemans was a Walloon or a Fleming or an American, in the strictest sense, though he took out US citizenship. He’s one of the few who made both the French and the Flemish versions of the 100 “Greatest Belgians” on a TV show.

    Until corrected, I will nominate Curly Lambeau as the top Wallonian-American of all time.

    Unlike Luc(y), Wallonia’s coat and flag feature a cock:

  126. @Altai

    I was nevertheless stunned by her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.
     
    One of the more shocking parts of all this is how hundreds of thousands of psychologists were just accepted to have become 'experts' on all this despite almost none of them having seen any or if, maybe 1 or 2 patients professing to be trans. And whose ideals about it coming from conference presentations by activists.

    More disturbing is that even the ones who might have realised the girls had BPD and the boys autism or some cluster B disorder (The essential divide between the nerd/jock dichotomy with few men inbetween.) are largely silent and kept down lest they get sued for malpractice.

    As an aside, has Steve seen that Jamie Lee Curtis' adopted son is now trans? They announced in People magazine around the time of her Holloween film (Because marketing? I think somebody needs to be fired from that team.) and how does he dress to make it clear 'it's not a fetish'?

    https://i1.wp.com/alexis.lindaikejisblog.com/photos/shares/61715463bc6ce.png

    And here is the crazy Tweet she made before the election suggesting that Trump was having USPS vans taken away to disrupt the postal ballots. That Taylor Swift retweeted.

    https://twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr. Anon, @AceDeuce

    Re: Curtis and son:

    Sweet Mother of God!

  127. @Alfa158
    Quick poll for our readers:
    I’ve never gone to a psychological counselor or therapist myself but know people who have. In my experience, and based on my observation of their actions, life trajectory and manifested emotional state, I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all and at worse have seemed to use the sessions to validate their bad choices, such as the case with this guy. I’m not in their heads so I presume they find therapy serves their needs, because in some cases they are in therapy for decades. The therapists seem to be like chiropractors, they never really fix anything, but the patient leaves the session sore but satisfied.
    Can anybody chime in if therapy helped them personally or they know anyone who objectively seemed to have any of their issues “fixed”?

    Replies: @Alrenous, @New Dealer, @Pixo, @Emil, @Simon

    I have never seen any visible improvement in their behavior, life or happiness. At best they haven’t changed at all…

    Does seeing a therapist for years really make a difference in one’s life? I think the wisest answer is contained in this punch line from an old joke: “I still wet the bed, but now I know why.”

  128. @Bill
    @Dieter Kief

    "Dalrymple" was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    “Publius” was plagiarizing the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the English Bill of Rights, of course, mindless hack that he was.

    5 Facts about the Bill of Rights

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Reg Cæsar


    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    “Publius” was plagiarizing the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the English Bill of Rights, of course, mindless hack that he was.
     
    Weren't Bill Gates' parents cannibalizing the Holy Bible (The Gates of Heaven) and the Bill of rights all at once?

    Disgusting hacks, weren't they!?
  129. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill


    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.
     
    "Publius" was plagiarizing the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the English Bill of Rights, of course, mindless hack that he was.


    5 Facts about the Bill of Rights

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    “Dalrymple” was plagiarizing Solzhenitsyn and Havel, of course, mindless hack that he is.

    “Publius” was plagiarizing the Virginia Declaration of Rights and the English Bill of Rights, of course, mindless hack that he was.

    Weren’t Bill Gates’ parents cannibalizing the Holy Bible (The Gates of Heaven) and the Bill of rights all at once?

    Disgusting hacks, weren’t they!?

  130. @SFG
    @Dieter Kief

    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.

    What I wrote above could be read this way, but it is not meant this way.
    (I, as turns out by close inspection, didn’t write it in the way you understood it either, because I did not refer to sexual activities, but to pathological sadism as an everyday mindset.

    To make this clear: I did not say (nor mean to say) that S/M practitioners would fall into this category per se. Don’t know much about this field, but my guess would be that there are pathological sadists among them. Would I think that they’d be overrepresented in this group?
    No, actually. – What yould you say, SFG?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Dieter Kief

    It was a joke. ;)

    Seriously you are probably right-probably plenty of pathological sadists here, though nobody ever will do the study to check.

  131. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    The crazy thing about the dominant transgender ideology is that, first, it’s all based on extremely old-fashioned and rigid stereotypes about what males and females are like so that any divergence from what Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket would consider sufficiently masculine marks you out as really a girl on the inside or any divergence from what Lorelei Lee in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes might consider feminine is proof you aren’t a girl and should have your breasts chopped off

    Male-to-female transsexuals tend to skew nonwhite; whereas most of the women who think they are men, tend to be women of Northwestern European ancestry. Nonwhite females are underrepresented among LGBTQ. Given that, I would say it’s the opposite, and that craggier, bigger boned blond white women feel outclassed by the influx of Asian and Latina femininity.

  132. @AndrewR
    @Steve Sailer

    I hate to call Ellen Page "middle aged" (because she's younger than I am and I don't like describing myself as such), but she definitely showed post-wall dessication by the time she decided to LARP as a boy. In her prime she was really hot, but she aged like milk.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Rain Wilson got two hotnesses-of-the-moment to do reverse-rape scenes with him, still-female Page in Super and Selma Blair in a video of Baby It’s Cold Outside. Now Page is a tranny and Cold Outside is taken off Christmas music lists. Our civilizational collapse continues apace.

  133. @Joe S.Walker
    @J.Ross

    Lou got married in the early Eighties - when being married was still generally thought a sign of respectable heterosexuality; even Elton John was briefly supposed not to be a total poof when he acquired a German wife.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I already know this story because I was born in the comments, moderated by them, but it is clear that a ton of newcomers are visiting. I am seeing and hearing iStevey ideas and even direct references on an ever widening basis.

  134. @Anon
    I don't think these men want to be women; they want to be the court eunuch with the traditional power of a court eunuch.

    Replies: @Ray P

    The Unexpected Reactionary Politics of Transexual Women will appear shortly in National Review. See also Bene Tleilax Face Dancers of Dune.

  135. @Occasional lurker
    @anonymous coward

    It's you who doesn't, or made really bad choices as regards female partners and friends.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    Femininity w.r.t. personal relationships is defined by cold-hearted rationality. That’s just how women are by nature, there’s no sense in fighting it.

    • Replies: @Occasional lurker
    @anonymous coward

    Being a woman, and from examples among fiends and family I know, I can tell you that many of us including myself have a care instinct for spouse, children, elderly parents and very close friends bordering on self-destruction (in cases of chronic illness/disability of the loved ones), and that we love deeply and wholeheartedly once we do love. I also know a lot of cool rational calculators, or women who calculate rationally in some relationships but not in others, but the men who fall for a cool calculator are usually rational calculators themselves and get what they pay for. Both exists among both sexes. But the care instinct very strong among females.

    Replies: @SFG

  136. The photograph of Sante makes one recall Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs. Look at the position of his feet – one foot turned toward the other and on its toes like it’s wearing a high heel.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Ray P

    Good pickup.

    “It puts the pronoun in its mouth or its reputation goes south!”

  137. @Kylie
    @New Dealer

    "Get over it. Move on. I find it almost always more exciting to think about the world and about other people than to think about myself."

    Omg, yes. I'm such a dull person, I'd die of boredom if I had to think about myself. Thank God for music, books and movies. Had a checkup two days ago, my PCP told me I was doing "fabulous". Of course I am!
    My Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend, I plan to rewatch "Screaming Mimi", "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and "The Big Combo" (all free on YouTube) and I found a mystery novel that looks promising online for free. I have my dog and cat for company and you guys to interact with online (not you, Alden). Life is good and I am blessed.

    These navel gazers are beyond contempt. I think of my friends who fought and lost battles with terminal illnesses and how they'd love another day just to be alive (despite inhabiting bodies ravaged by disease) and my loathing for these freakish narcissists is boundless. Ingratitude is one of the worst sins.

    Replies: @Thea

    Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend,

    If you haven’t read “Symphony for the city of the Dead” then I highly recommend it

    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Thea

    Started "Symphony for the City of the Dead". It's absolutely riveting. Thank you!

  138. @Joe Stalin
    @Hangnail Hans


    Also: when was the last time our military did anything useful? For the country, I mean, as opposed to the ruling class.

    Final question: at this point is our military even capable of doing anything useful?
     
    On January 7, 1973, U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Pitman took a CH-46 helicopter on his own initiative and flew into battle in New Orleans against a BLACK! U.S.Navy veteran, Mark Essex, who was conducting his own personal war against the honkies.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/19/marine-pilot-who-borrowed-helicopter-end-sniper-situation-has-died.html
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaTn8RXjS8M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKS58ZZXvNA

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Excellent post.

    In my Forrest Gump-ian life, I had the honor and pleasure of meeting then Lt. Gen Chuck Pitman at a Marine Corps function in the 1980s. I had gotten out a while before–he was still in. Wound up spending the evening drinking with him and a few other top brass. Had a great time. He was every bit as impressive as you’d hope he’d be, while staying totally gracious, natural, and down to earth. Great man. He did a whole lot of heroics in his career–Getting rid of that feral jungle beast in New Orleans might be at the top.

    And the fking Pentagon was going to court-martial him for it, until a realist Southern Congressman with a lot of influence put the kibosh on that. It’s not pretty to think what Congresscretins AOC or Brotherf’cker Omar would do to him these days. He’d be playing pinochle with Derek Chauvin.

  139. @SFG
    @Alrenous

    The founder of rational emotive behavioral therapy, the precursor to CBT, Albert Ellis, regularly mentioned the Stoic antecedents of his philosophy.

    He regularly had sessions open to the public on Friday nights to demonstrate his technique where he would tell people they had ‘screwed up thinking’ and that life was ‘tough shit’.

    About as manly as a therapeutic technique gets, I think. Short of building a cabin in the woods. Which, hey, if you don’t feel better at least you now have a cabin in the woods.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @Peter D. Bredon

    I was interested in Ellis as a phenom. Just another Big Nose who figured out how to merchandize the discoveries of White geniuses (the Stoics). Kinda like Saul of Tarsis. He was grandfathered into the system when NYS began to require medical degrees to be licensed as a therapist.

    Overall, I’d say some variant of the old cliche, what was original wasn’t true, and what was true wasn’t original. But if it leads someone to study the Stoics, more power to him.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Some truth to that, though I remember at the time there was a lot of Freudian BS drifting around, so having more common sense out there was definitely a plus I think.

    Plus it’s not like Epictetus was missing out on royalties.

  140. @Mike Tre
    @R.G. Camara

    I though Gangs of New York was based on Joe Biden's childhood the way A Bronx Tale was supposedly based on Robert DeNiro's?

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    From Bill the Butcher to Corn Pop, the trajectory of America’s decline.

  141. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Mansfield


    How many women over 60 have you ever encountered named Caitlyn?

     

    Caitlin Thomas, Dylan's widow, would be 108 today. She'd have pronounced it the Irish way.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Dylan_Thomas_and_Caitlin_Thomas.jpeg

    If you really want to be edgy, you could use their daughter's name, Aeronwy. How her Italian neighbors handled that...

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    There are lots of YT clips where people explain how Irish names are really quite easy to pronounce and really entirely phonetic so actually BETTER than your stupid American names, but I’m not buying it. I think its a deliberate way to fuck with anglophones. As a son of the auld sod myself, that rings true.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @James J O'Meara


    There are lots of YT clips where people explain how Irish names are really quite easy to pronounce...
     
    Diane Jennings, a chipper young blond colleen, is the perfect antidote for those. She's lived in the US and Spain.




    https://m.youtube.com/c/DianeJennings
  142. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Goddard

    Viktor Frankl's book boasts of his super uber man ability to survive the camps where lesser beings croaked. Go read the stupid thing again.

    Replies: @James J O'Meara

    I often come across laudatory comments about Frankl and The Book, but I’m sure most haven’t read it and are just repeating the conventional wisdom. It’s too late for me to take a look, as I have a bellyful of Tribesmen explaining things to me.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @James J O'Meara

    I read Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning and it shaped my life. The commenter above is dripping with anti-Semitic venom. Frankl is humble and goes nowhere near boasting about his uber wisdom. Frankl makes it clear that luck as well as his attitude helped him survive the camps. The writer above is like many users on this site—so full of anti-Jew invective that he overlooks the many Jews who have made mighty contributions.

  143. @Buzz Mohawk
    @slumber_j

    Thank you for your contributions here. Very interesting and entertaining.

    I used to like Bourdain, until I started feeling like he was kind of a douche. Sad about his end, though. As someone who was twice long ago suicidal, I know how awful that feeling is.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that’s worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven’t lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven’t thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you’ve been dealing with it for 45 years or so it’s like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It’s like cicadas that never go underground.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @slumber_j

    "The thought of suicide is a great comfort. By the aid of it one gets through many a bad night."
    -- Friedrich Nietzsche paraphrased

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @JMcG
    @slumber_j

    Stick around for a while, old buddy.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @slumber_j


    slumber_j
     
    Hamlet reference?

    I second JMcG’s “stick around”, slumber_j. Your occasional metropolitan UHB reports (of past and present) are appreciated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxwAPBxc0lU

    Some interesting ‘liner notes’ from the YouTube comments for “Sugar for the Pill”


    Neil Young 4 years ago

    If you don't understand the pain and beauty of middle age, of loss, failure, starting again, living for others as well as yourself, of hoping time doesn't run out, of realising you're still alive but not 19, then you won't get this.....I have no desire for them to effectively rewrite the first EP, or for every song to be slow or fast.....take it at face value as new music by a great band. Looking forward to Oxford!
     


    Chris Mitchell 3 years ago

    Oh my god! I've never heard of this band before - I've been in NZ for 20 years! But you, and this song, reminded me of a dream I had about 7 years ago. All the 'kids' I went to school with knocked on my door, and when I opened it, there they were! I woke up crying, and my wife asked me what was going on - I told her that all my old friends had come to say hello and had asked me to follow them.. wherever that was. I told her that if I could 'follow' them, I would. She asked why, and I said "because it felt safe". Those days have gone, and I've become 'tough' through necessity. Sad really. I wasn't supposed to be like this.
     


    Sepp Timber 1 year ago

    I think that I know why people have this notion of "listening to something that reminds them of past times" while listening to music like this. Happens to me, and happens to a lot of people. The music Slowdive does, connects somehow with our past, with our teen spirit, our lost youth. Those that for wherever reason let that time pass, or think that they didn't quite lived the moment, or simply now they are struggling with life and miss those times where they didn't have to worry about so much, are the ones which feel that burst of melancholy the most.

    In my case, with only 29 years old, Slowdive connects with past times of youth (my 16's-20's), the time that I feel I should have lived without fear of making mistakes or regret, the time that I should have spent with my friends and loved ones, and live my life, seizing the moment without worrying about tomorrow ("there will be enough time for worriness" I should have said to me) because everyone knows life is short. And I guess that moment of clarity came too late. That feeling of losing something you cannot find anymore, of losing part of your life in a blink of an eye and not being able to do something about it, is a heavy burden when you think about it. For the last years, I had to carry that guilt, because I lost so much friends and opportunities that hurts with only just recalling it and the fact that now I'm in a moment of my life where I feel lost, does not help. And this music it's the spark that ignites these emotions and a lot more, but in a more romantic way, like I don't want to create bad blood towards myself anymore, but I would just want to remember and feel those times, even though the melancholy is real and still hurts. To be honest, sometimes I wonder if listening to this kind of music is good for my emotional health. But I suppose, I deserve to feel this way. And I will listen to Slowdive forever.

    PD: Sorry for my english, It was hard to put in words my emotions. Greetings from Barcelona, Catalonia.
     

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Johann Ricke
    @slumber_j


    I haven’t lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven’t thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you’ve been dealing with it for 45 years or so it’s like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It’s like cicadas that never go underground.
     
    Think of all the people who'd miss having you around. That includes some of the denizens of Unz, who'd be deprived of the vignettes of your youth and beyond.
  144. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that's worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven't lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven't thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you've been dealing with it for 45 years or so it's like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It's like cicadas that never go underground.

    Replies: @Ray P, @JMcG, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke

    “The thought of suicide is a great comfort. By the aid of it one gets through many a bad night.”
    — Friedrich Nietzsche paraphrased

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Ray P

    That's very good.

  145. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that's worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven't lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven't thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you've been dealing with it for 45 years or so it's like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It's like cicadas that never go underground.

    Replies: @Ray P, @JMcG, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke

    Stick around for a while, old buddy.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  146. @Muggles
    @John Mansfield


    There is also something going on with aging men hitting on a novel way to feel 20 years younger by becoming a reborn creation.
     
    Perhaps as possibly in this case mentioned above, it is about something related.

    Men in general believe that nearly all women can get sex any time they want, if they go out and seek it. For men, usually not easy.

    So an aging gay man will feel doubly frustrated. First as a male, second as a homosexual whose culture worships youth and beauty. Older men not desirable.

    So an aging queen might feel that by "transitioning" to female, problem solved! Of course I doubt many post 50 YO women would give him that recommendation. Still, it might improve his odds slightly. Or some may think so however wrong they might be.

    Of course many if not most 'trans" women were not necessarily gay men before, so...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But are aging homosexuals declaring themselves women? Most of the examples of older men who are already prominent seem to be straight guys like Luc Sante.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  147. @James J O'Meara
    @Reg Cæsar

    There are lots of YT clips where people explain how Irish names are really quite easy to pronounce and really entirely phonetic so actually BETTER than your stupid American names, but I'm not buying it. I think its a deliberate way to fuck with anglophones. As a son of the auld sod myself, that rings true.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There are lots of YT clips where people explain how Irish names are really quite easy to pronounce…

    Diane Jennings, a chipper young blond colleen, is the perfect antidote for those. She’s lived in the US and Spain.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/DianeJennings

  148. @Dieter Kief
    @SFG


    This is offensive to sadomasochists. We restrict our activities to consenting partners.
     
    What I wrote above could be read this way, but it is not meant this way.
    (I, as turns out by close inspection, didn't write it in the way you understood it either, because I did not refer to sexual activities, but to pathological sadism as an everyday mindset.

    To make this clear: I did not say (nor mean to say) that S/M practitioners would fall into this category per se. Don't know much about this field, but my guess would be that there are pathological sadists among them. Would I think that they'd be overrepresented in this group?
    No, actually. - What yould you say, SFG?

    Replies: @SFG

    It was a joke. 😉

    Seriously you are probably right-probably plenty of pathological sadists here, though nobody ever will do the study to check.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  149. @Peter D. Bredon
    @SFG

    I was interested in Ellis as a phenom. Just another Big Nose who figured out how to merchandize the discoveries of White geniuses (the Stoics). Kinda like Saul of Tarsis. He was grandfathered into the system when NYS began to require medical degrees to be licensed as a therapist.

    Overall, I'd say some variant of the old cliche, what was original wasn't true, and what was true wasn't original. But if it leads someone to study the Stoics, more power to him.

    Replies: @SFG

    Some truth to that, though I remember at the time there was a lot of Freudian BS drifting around, so having more common sense out there was definitely a plus I think.

    Plus it’s not like Epictetus was missing out on royalties.

  150. @Ray P
    The photograph of Sante makes one recall Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs. Look at the position of his feet - one foot turned toward the other and on its toes like it's wearing a high heel.

    Replies: @SFG

    Good pickup.

    “It puts the pronoun in its mouth or its reputation goes south!”

  151. @anonymous coward
    @Occasional lurker

    Femininity w.r.t. personal relationships is defined by cold-hearted rationality. That's just how women are by nature, there's no sense in fighting it.

    Replies: @Occasional lurker

    Being a woman, and from examples among fiends and family I know, I can tell you that many of us including myself have a care instinct for spouse, children, elderly parents and very close friends bordering on self-destruction (in cases of chronic illness/disability of the loved ones), and that we love deeply and wholeheartedly once we do love. I also know a lot of cool rational calculators, or women who calculate rationally in some relationships but not in others, but the men who fall for a cool calculator are usually rational calculators themselves and get what they pay for. Both exists among both sexes. But the care instinct very strong among females.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Occasional lurker

    Yeah, I mean, the media these days lionizes women who act like caddish men, and they are definitely out there, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near a majority.

    Most women want families, but you would never realize that from reading the NYT.

  152. @Occasional lurker
    @anonymous coward

    Being a woman, and from examples among fiends and family I know, I can tell you that many of us including myself have a care instinct for spouse, children, elderly parents and very close friends bordering on self-destruction (in cases of chronic illness/disability of the loved ones), and that we love deeply and wholeheartedly once we do love. I also know a lot of cool rational calculators, or women who calculate rationally in some relationships but not in others, but the men who fall for a cool calculator are usually rational calculators themselves and get what they pay for. Both exists among both sexes. But the care instinct very strong among females.

    Replies: @SFG

    Yeah, I mean, the media these days lionizes women who act like caddish men, and they are definitely out there, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near a majority.

    Most women want families, but you would never realize that from reading the NYT.

  153. On February 15, 2021, I downloaded the application called FaceApp to my phone, just for a laugh…Although the app allowed users to change age, shape, or hairstyle, I was, specifically and exclusively, interested in the gender-swap function.

    Meh. Doesn’t sound like nearly as productive a source of lulz as MakeApp, which allows you to digitally remove makeup from photos. Laura Loomer, for example:

    I think you can usually distinguish heterosexual transvestites from homosexual transvestites on sight: the gay drag queens generally have a too-much-is-not-enough aesthetic of tons of costume jewelry and giant false eyelashes.

    Probably useful for that as well.

  154. @James N. Kennett
    @Charon


    I’d seen therapists for nearly 40 years by then
     
    You might expect that a good therapist would discern the patient's inner desire to change sex, and guide him towards recognition within, say, five years.

    Either the therapists were useless, or the desire itself is a fiction. It is a mere fetish, as Steve says.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    There’s that old joke about psychiatrists charging rent to live in dream castles.

  155. @Thea
    @Kylie


    Shostakovich CD should arrive this weekend,
     
    If you haven’t read “Symphony for the city of the Dead” then I highly recommend it

    Replies: @Kylie

    Started “Symphony for the City of the Dead”. It’s absolutely riveting. Thank you!

  156. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that's worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven't lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven't thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you've been dealing with it for 45 years or so it's like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It's like cicadas that never go underground.

    Replies: @Ray P, @JMcG, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke

    slumber_j

    Hamlet reference?

    I second JMcG’s “stick around”, slumber_j. Your occasional metropolitan UHB reports (of past and present) are appreciated.

    [MORE]

    Some interesting ‘liner notes’ from the YouTube comments for “Sugar for the Pill”

    Neil Young 4 years ago

    If you don’t understand the pain and beauty of middle age, of loss, failure, starting again, living for others as well as yourself, of hoping time doesn’t run out, of realising you’re still alive but not 19, then you won’t get this…..I have no desire for them to effectively rewrite the first EP, or for every song to be slow or fast…..take it at face value as new music by a great band. Looking forward to Oxford!

    Chris Mitchell 3 years ago

    Oh my god! I’ve never heard of this band before – I’ve been in NZ for 20 years! But you, and this song, reminded me of a dream I had about 7 years ago. All the ‘kids’ I went to school with knocked on my door, and when I opened it, there they were! I woke up crying, and my wife asked me what was going on – I told her that all my old friends had come to say hello and had asked me to follow them.. wherever that was. I told her that if I could ‘follow’ them, I would. She asked why, and I said “because it felt safe”. Those days have gone, and I’ve become ‘tough’ through necessity. Sad really. I wasn’t supposed to be like this.

    Sepp Timber 1 year ago

    I think that I know why people have this notion of “listening to something that reminds them of past times” while listening to music like this. Happens to me, and happens to a lot of people. The music Slowdive does, connects somehow with our past, with our teen spirit, our lost youth. Those that for wherever reason let that time pass, or think that they didn’t quite lived the moment, or simply now they are struggling with life and miss those times where they didn’t have to worry about so much, are the ones which feel that burst of melancholy the most.

    In my case, with only 29 years old, Slowdive connects with past times of youth (my 16’s-20’s), the time that I feel I should have lived without fear of making mistakes or regret, the time that I should have spent with my friends and loved ones, and live my life, seizing the moment without worrying about tomorrow (“there will be enough time for worriness” I should have said to me) because everyone knows life is short. And I guess that moment of clarity came too late. That feeling of losing something you cannot find anymore, of losing part of your life in a blink of an eye and not being able to do something about it, is a heavy burden when you think about it. For the last years, I had to carry that guilt, because I lost so much friends and opportunities that hurts with only just recalling it and the fact that now I’m in a moment of my life where I feel lost, does not help. And this music it’s the spark that ignites these emotions and a lot more, but in a more romantic way, like I don’t want to create bad blood towards myself anymore, but I would just want to remember and feel those times, even though the melancholy is real and still hurts. To be honest, sometimes I wonder if listening to this kind of music is good for my emotional health. But I suppose, I deserve to feel this way. And I will listen to Slowdive forever.

    PD: Sorry for my english, It was hard to put in words my emotions. Greetings from Barcelona, Catalonia.

    • Thanks: Thea
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks. I think there's no chance of my actually doing that at this point--a horrible thing to do to one's wife and children, among other things. Anyway, I appreciate your answer very much.

  157. @James J O'Meara
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I often come across laudatory comments about Frankl and The Book, but I'm sure most haven't read it and are just repeating the conventional wisdom. It's too late for me to take a look, as I have a bellyful of Tribesmen explaining things to me.

    Replies: @Goddard

    I read Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning and it shaped my life. The commenter above is dripping with anti-Semitic venom. Frankl is humble and goes nowhere near boasting about his uber wisdom. Frankl makes it clear that luck as well as his attitude helped him survive the camps. The writer above is like many users on this site—so full of anti-Jew invective that he overlooks the many Jews who have made mighty contributions.

  158. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sorry for the delay, and thank you very much for that. I enjoy reading your stuff too for what that's worth.

    Bourdain was very much a mixed bag, and thanks to this discussion I now seriously wonder whether he may have had the trans bug. Who knows? He certainly harbored the self-annhilating tendencies that I suspect are part of the foundation of that mental illness: from his heroin addiction to his suicide we know that to have been a fact about him.

    I haven't lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven't thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you've been dealing with it for 45 years or so it's like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It's like cicadas that never go underground.

    Replies: @Ray P, @JMcG, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke

    I haven’t lived a year of my life since I was maybe eleven when I haven’t thought about killing myself. Not good, although when you’ve been dealing with it for 45 years or so it’s like a loud but ignorable background to everything. It’s like cicadas that never go underground.

    Think of all the people who’d miss having you around. That includes some of the denizens of Unz, who’d be deprived of the vignettes of your youth and beyond.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  159. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @slumber_j


    slumber_j
     
    Hamlet reference?

    I second JMcG’s “stick around”, slumber_j. Your occasional metropolitan UHB reports (of past and present) are appreciated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxwAPBxc0lU

    Some interesting ‘liner notes’ from the YouTube comments for “Sugar for the Pill”


    Neil Young 4 years ago

    If you don't understand the pain and beauty of middle age, of loss, failure, starting again, living for others as well as yourself, of hoping time doesn't run out, of realising you're still alive but not 19, then you won't get this.....I have no desire for them to effectively rewrite the first EP, or for every song to be slow or fast.....take it at face value as new music by a great band. Looking forward to Oxford!
     


    Chris Mitchell 3 years ago

    Oh my god! I've never heard of this band before - I've been in NZ for 20 years! But you, and this song, reminded me of a dream I had about 7 years ago. All the 'kids' I went to school with knocked on my door, and when I opened it, there they were! I woke up crying, and my wife asked me what was going on - I told her that all my old friends had come to say hello and had asked me to follow them.. wherever that was. I told her that if I could 'follow' them, I would. She asked why, and I said "because it felt safe". Those days have gone, and I've become 'tough' through necessity. Sad really. I wasn't supposed to be like this.
     


    Sepp Timber 1 year ago

    I think that I know why people have this notion of "listening to something that reminds them of past times" while listening to music like this. Happens to me, and happens to a lot of people. The music Slowdive does, connects somehow with our past, with our teen spirit, our lost youth. Those that for wherever reason let that time pass, or think that they didn't quite lived the moment, or simply now they are struggling with life and miss those times where they didn't have to worry about so much, are the ones which feel that burst of melancholy the most.

    In my case, with only 29 years old, Slowdive connects with past times of youth (my 16's-20's), the time that I feel I should have lived without fear of making mistakes or regret, the time that I should have spent with my friends and loved ones, and live my life, seizing the moment without worrying about tomorrow ("there will be enough time for worriness" I should have said to me) because everyone knows life is short. And I guess that moment of clarity came too late. That feeling of losing something you cannot find anymore, of losing part of your life in a blink of an eye and not being able to do something about it, is a heavy burden when you think about it. For the last years, I had to carry that guilt, because I lost so much friends and opportunities that hurts with only just recalling it and the fact that now I'm in a moment of my life where I feel lost, does not help. And this music it's the spark that ignites these emotions and a lot more, but in a more romantic way, like I don't want to create bad blood towards myself anymore, but I would just want to remember and feel those times, even though the melancholy is real and still hurts. To be honest, sometimes I wonder if listening to this kind of music is good for my emotional health. But I suppose, I deserve to feel this way. And I will listen to Slowdive forever.

    PD: Sorry for my english, It was hard to put in words my emotions. Greetings from Barcelona, Catalonia.
     

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Thanks. I think there’s no chance of my actually doing that at this point–a horrible thing to do to one’s wife and children, among other things. Anyway, I appreciate your answer very much.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  160. @Ray P
    @slumber_j

    "The thought of suicide is a great comfort. By the aid of it one gets through many a bad night."
    -- Friedrich Nietzsche paraphrased

    Replies: @slumber_j

    That’s very good.

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