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  1. Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    • Replies: @donut
    @Jack Armstrong

    I believe that when "the Spanish Disease" first broke out during the siege of Naples it was deadly for many of the infected . IIRC the high mortality rate persisted for some time but gradually declined . I have been around the world and the clap was the most common venereal disease . Africa had the most frightening venereal diseases , shit you never heard of before . The only time I ever encountered Syphilis was in Baltimore , it was not uncommon to get a Negro pt. with tertiary Syphilis . Many of them were elderly women .

    , @SFG
    @Jack Armstrong

    But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.”

    They didn't have video games, porn, and #MeToo.

    , @Neuday
    @Jack Armstrong


    But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.”
     
    Maybe if you indoctrinated girls to grow into man-hating career-loving self-obsessed chubbos.
    , @Realist
    @Jack Armstrong

    The best advice I can give about Covid-19 is watch reruns of Gilligan's Island...for survival tips.

    , @anon
    @Jack Armstrong

    Off Topic/
    Remember when Clinton apologised for the Tuskegee Experiment? There was a survivor on stage with him 98 years old looked pretty fit, though he didn't speak. All the survivors were the ones who weren't treated, the ones who were were long dead. For mine that raises the question of whether the pre Penicillin treatments were worse than the disease.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

  2. What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you’re Irish? I’m sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @Mr McKenna


    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.
     
    The robot-like people in the Orient are easier to keep in line when they know that if they fall out of line, their organs might be harvested.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Polynikes
    @Mr McKenna

    Cases are rising because testing is way behind and catching up to infections. The US can test 17k a day. There’s probably tens of thousands infected. It’ll take weeks just to catch up.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Kronos
    @Mr McKenna


    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.
     
    That’s correct!

    https://youtu.be/aXUYb-kwl7E

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr McKenna


    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you’re Irish?
     
    The Story Behind Syracuse's Upside-Down Traffic Light

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/ny/NYSYRtraffic_martini2_620x300.jpg

    , @Anon
    @Mr McKenna

    Yep. Even just in my area, the epicenter of the outbreak, trying to talk people incl. the elderly out of unnecessary trips to the gym, the store, skiing and what not gets me nothing but "you need to chill out".

    , @anon
    @Mr McKenna


    might present some difficulty.
     
    deserves understatement of the year award. Like the NASA reporter who said Obviously a major malfunction when the space shuttle challenger blew up.
    , @britishbrainsize
    @Mr McKenna

    BRITISHBRAINSIZE1325cc.

  3. I assume Mr. Sailer will be forgoing his spring donation drive in solidarity with all those who suffer economically from this global shutdown?

    Everyone must sacrifice, after all.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Disagree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Polynikes

    Oh come on, just donate via online. The only viruses you need to worry about then are the digital kind.

    , @Jack D
    @Polynikes

    You first. Asking other to make sacrifices while making none of your own is straight out of the Leftist playbook. Even if you have personally renounced all worldly goods and taken a vow of poverty, it's not your place to demand this of others.

    I'm afraid that even if he keeps his fund drives (which he should), he is going to feel the pinch anyway - in times of austerity and uncertainty, people decrease their giving. So don't worry your pretty little head - Steve will be sharing the pain.

    Replies: @Polynikes

  4. Please don’t go pub-crawling on St. Patrick’s Day

    IsildurSayingNo.jpg

  5. Alcohol kills germs, Steve!

  6. “Leprechaunnukah”? Isn’t that photo a wee bit out-of-date?

    (And who the hell follows Mark Hamill on Twitter?)

  7. No pub crawling? Even at the World’s End?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Still my favorite scene (it's in the trailer too):

    "What the fuck does WTF mean?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnQ6GVbJJdk

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When the cholera comes—as it will past a doubt—
    Keep out of the wet and don't go on the shout,
    For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out,
    An' it crumples the young British soldier.
    http://4umi.com/kipling/ballads/1#h13

  8. Yeah, that’s a good point. Lots of “fluids” (i.e. barf) fly around on St.Patrick’s Day.

  9. @Achmed E. Newman
    No pub crawling? Even at the World's End?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHV8nW8H93o

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @John Derbyshire

    Still my favorite scene (it’s in the trailer too):

    “What the fuck does WTF mean?”

  10. There’s a study somewhere on the web that says beer drinkers are less likely to catch Coronavirus, so let the kids have their fun. Eat, drink and be merry, tomorrow you die…

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Rich

    https://luthiervidal.com/luthier/i-img/es/blog/dia-de-los-difuntos-la-danse-macabre-de-camille-saint-saens/gr-image.jpg

  11. @Polynikes
    I assume Mr. Sailer will be forgoing his spring donation drive in solidarity with all those who suffer economically from this global shutdown?


    Everyone must sacrifice, after all.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Jack D

    Oh come on, just donate via online. The only viruses you need to worry about then are the digital kind.

  12. Did you notice that almost all those people are White?

    Don’t worry though. The Trump administration is on top of it.

    Don’t let the Socialists tell you otherwise.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/Talking_Monkeys/status/1238994013816066049

    Replies: @Bubba, @Anonymous

    , @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    , @The Alarmist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    AOC is what we in the business call a Contrarian Indicator. If you are under 40 and healthy, keep the economy alive by getting out there and living it up. Gran and Gramps were getting to be a burden anyway. Now, more than ever, OK Boomer!

    , @Corvinus
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Trump is NOT on top of matters. He refused to get tested, then got tested. He threatens his top health officials into promoting a narrative that it’s not as bad as it seems. Trump insists that people buy stocks and that economy will bounce back quickly.

    And Me. Sailer remains mum on NOTICING Trump’s missteps.

    Thankfully the medical community is doing what they need to do despite Trump’s lack of leadership. AOC is right, as evident by the Chinese and French lockdowns.

    Meanwhile the clown governor of Oklahoma took his family to a crowded restaurant despite medical experts warnings. Real smart.

  13. • LOL: LondonBob, JMcG
    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Lot

    Nice.

    So you are a bigot too.

    We all know why.

  14. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.

    The robot-like people in the Orient are easier to keep in line when they know that if they fall out of line, their organs might be harvested.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Che Blutarsky

    Or eaten. They do like their exotic flesh pots over there.

  15. There must be a guaranteed group of uninformed people in all places and times, and to that can be added the early reports that either this didn’t affect the young or they would merely become asymptomatic carriers. A caller to Detroit public radio days ago blithely insisted that he wasn’t changing any plans and would go to an upcoming concert (this was before a list of cancellations). Even if this is contained or turns out to be another SARS it cannot hurt to NEET around a pillow fort for a little bit.

  16. Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @anon


    They have just robbed thousands of students of their dreams
     
    I thought their dreams was to get a degree without a debt crater?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNgcYGgtf8M

    What's happening with De Blasio talking about nationalizations?

    I hoped pols would at least wait a few days before letting their inner animals ride, but no.
    , @Dennis Dale
    @anon

    I'm welcoming the cancellation of any and all aspects of globo homo culture. Sportsball is a a biggie. Watching Charlie et al squeal is MY March Madness. The opiates of the masses are rotting in the fields!

    Replies: @Hemid, @Anon

    , @Just another serf
    @anon

    I’m not even sure this Charlie Kirk is a real person. Seems like some kind of poorly executed “deep fake”, I think the term is. His head is too large and everything attributed to this character is so ridiculously weird.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Mike Tre
    @anon

    While I agree the overreaction is ridiculous, let's remember that for a homosexual like Kirk, watching sweating black man bump into each other for 2 weeks in HD is like finding the pot of gold at the end of the homo rainbow.

    , @Known Fact
    @anon

    It's reassuring to turn on WFAN sportsradio and hear that whether to senior eligibility is the most crucial question facing our troubled nation

    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @anon

    Screw basketball.

    Losing the NCAA wrestling tournament is the real tragedy.

  17. @Jack Armstrong

    Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”
     
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    Replies: @donut, @SFG, @Neuday, @Realist, @anon

    I believe that when “the Spanish Disease” first broke out during the siege of Naples it was deadly for many of the infected . IIRC the high mortality rate persisted for some time but gradually declined . I have been around the world and the clap was the most common venereal disease . Africa had the most frightening venereal diseases , shit you never heard of before . The only time I ever encountered Syphilis was in Baltimore , it was not uncommon to get a Negro pt. with tertiary Syphilis . Many of them were elderly women .

  18. These are the sort of mindless people that nature used to weed out.
    Imagine if they were not around with the technology capabilities we have now.
    Let them congregate.

    • Replies: @Kim
    @Doktor Jeep

    Where did you get the idea that nature weeds out the mindless?

  19. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    Cases are rising because testing is way behind and catching up to infections. The US can test 17k a day. There’s probably tens of thousands infected. It’ll take weeks just to catch up.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Polynikes

    Testing doesn't stop the spread ... it measures the spread after the fact.

    Replies: @Polynikes

  20. They’re mostly the Irish, not going to be dissuaded and, hey, maybe they’ll scare the corona virus off like St. Patrick and those pesky snakes.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
    @miss marple

    No they aren't Irish, it's a Chicagoland thing that all the white kids go get wasted on St. Patricks day regardless of their ethnicity. They had this really bad excuse for excessive drunkeness down at U of I called "Unofficial St. Patricks Day" ( the school is on break during the real one) where they drink till they drop on the first Friday in early March. You'd see kids standing there bent over holding their knees vomiting on the sidewalks along the main drag in Champaign. The State Police try to crack down on it and is seems to be waning as the place is taken over by the Chinese.

    , @Brutusale
    @miss marple

    Alas, in keeping with the End Times flavor of recent occurrances:

    https://www.irishpost.com/news/dublin-man-falls-victim-first-recorded-venomous-snakebite-ireland-180658

  21. @JohnnyWalker123
    Did you notice that almost all those people are White?

    Don't worry though. The Trump administration is on top of it.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1238921166074466304

    Don't let the Socialists tell you otherwise.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1238860728565747714

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JimDandy, @The Alarmist, @Corvinus

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That has to be the best way to spread the Wu-flu throughout the U.S. quickly.

    Replies: @britishbrainsize

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don’t know if there was any way around NOT having this occur. People were selfishly jetsetting schmucks, waiting until the last minute to come home. And you’re acting like the people hadn’t already been sardined in recirculating air for 8-10 hours anyway getting it that way.

  22. Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Ali Choudhury


    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.
     
    It's a horrible thought. But it's possible. Inter-generational hatreds are getting out of control. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there rejoicing at the idea of the hated Boomers getting coronavirus.

    We live in a culture that seems to be based more and more on hatred.

    Is it possible there are people in government who think this way? Is it possible that there are SJWs and globalist zealots in government who wouldn't be too upset if non-PC old people would just hurry up and die so the SJW/globalist project can run unimpeded? I'd hate to think so. Even I'm not that cynical and pessimistic. And yet...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Neoconned

  23. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.

    That’s correct!

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Kronos

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/483197-aoc-coronavirus-panic-katie-williams/

  24. One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don’t mean much. But in my travels I did have to exit the Kennedy at Addison. There was no backup and this did not happen in previous St Patrick’s Days, due to a huge suburban groundswell of drunks. I thought that (literally) more sober heads prevailed. Oh well. Where do we find such shitheads?

    I want to secrete the Hodag family in our ancient Northwoods fastnesses. At least will have deer and walleye to eat. And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation…

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Hodag

    I really hope American obesity is a casualty of corona.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @ken
    @Hodag

    Raised your worry level that the child has a virus that he will recover from in 99.7% of cases?

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Hodag


    And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation…
     
    Yes, but it does not mean you should eat them.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Hodag

    'One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don’t mean much...'


    Is this what you do when someone catches the flu?

  25. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you’re Irish?

    The Story Behind Syracuse’s Upside-Down Traffic Light

  26. Now there’s a good excuse to stay home and drink alone.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Just you and your good buddy Weiser.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfqz2R34eqo

    , @AKAHorace
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And you can feel patriotic and up beat when you do so.

    Cheers Buzz Mohawk

  27. Man, that picture brings back memories. Not of St. Patrick’s Days, On only one occasion was I ever in a bar on St. Patrick’s. I went to some Irish bar with friends. The picture reminds of starting to drink on Clark Street downtown and working our way up to Rogers Park.Now, I have not had a drink or drug for 30 years. But back in the day I could tear it up with the best of them. I have always enjoyed taverns, not cocktail lounges but good old-fashioned neighborhood bars. Shot and a beer kind of places. I was partial to the American Indian bars in Uptown. Talk about entertainment, fist fights, stabbings, all kinds of mayhem could appear in an instant.

    Recently I watched a Great Courses series on The Black Death in the late 1340s. Seeing that picture reminded me of the instructor describing how some people reacted to the death and chaos. They drank and fornicated themselves silly since “tomorrow you may die.” If the Wuhan flu gets worse expect to see more of this behavior as well as crime breaking out in poorer neighborhoods (more than usual, I mean). And also be on the lookout for bizarre fringe religious groups popping up. Remember the flagellants in The Seventh Seal?

  28. It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus.

    You guys have been completely worthless. Pol and redditors are the heroes.

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Good dude, but past his prime. just another boomer wanting to milk it for the next twenty.

    Alas, really, he could have soared.

    • LOL: Daniel Williams
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @anonguy


    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.
     
    Has he also been rearranging the furniture in your apartment when you’re not around? And writing the scripts to Hollywood blockbusters that you thought up years ago?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @AKAHorace
    @anonguy

    >It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus


    A national disgrace ? Because of how well and how much respect the U.S.A. has given Steve Sailer
    and the people that also write for Unz.com ?

    , @Lugash
    @anonguy

    And he stole your dishwasher and gave it to his wife!

    , @tyrone
    @anonguy

    Do you need somebody to tell you to wash your hands again?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  29. In retrospect I’m very grateful to John Carreyrou for exposing Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos before the novel coronavirus hit. Given her ambitions, psychopathology, high level connections, and business model of mass blood testing at places like Walgreens and Safeway, we’d probably all be relying on her faulty tests for determining who to quarantine.

  30. @Buzz Mohawk
    Now there's a good excuse to stay home and drink alone.

    https://media.recovery.org/wp-content/uploads/recovery-shutter122793205-drinking-alone.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AKAHorace

    Just you and your good buddy Weiser.

  31. Lawrence Police
    @LawrenceKS_PD
    Is 20 tubes of disinfectant wipes a reasonable amount for a 600 sq ft apartment? It is not a reasonable amount. You should not buy that many tubes. Maybe just one or two?
    3:02 PM · Mar 12, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Also, there really is no shortage of toilet paper so my neighbors who pulled up without trunk full of it, might want to return some so their home doesn’t look like an episode of Hoarders.

  32. It’s rampant in Chicago. They are the accelerationists who will hasten the total shut down of the Windy City. True nihilistic hedonism.

  33. @Hodag
    One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don't mean much. But in my travels I did have to exit the Kennedy at Addison. There was no backup and this did not happen in previous St Patrick's Days, due to a huge suburban groundswell of drunks. I thought that (literally) more sober heads prevailed. Oh well. Where do we find such shitheads?

    I want to secrete the Hodag family in our ancient Northwoods fastnesses. At least will have deer and walleye to eat. And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation...

    Replies: @Thea, @ken, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Colin Wright

    I really hope American obesity is a casualty of corona.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Thea

    I had the same thought, but the chip aisle remains fully stocked, though the toilet and tissue aisle is bare. We need someone to start a "better stock up on cupcakes" panic.

  34. This is what is known in Apocalypse Response Planning circles as The Winchester Strategy.

    • LOL: AKAHorace
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clifford brown

    Thanks! Just put on hold. Are those not the same couple of guys from World's End?

  35. Maybe to nudge behavior we could get Apple, Microsoft and Samsung to send out notifications to people who are out in large crowds when they don’t need to be. It would be creepy, but effective. Or we could show positive messages for people who stayed isolated “You’ve reduced your outside trips 45% compared to last week”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lugash

    Whaaa? Are you sure you're Lugash?

  36. The Irish should not strive officiously to stay alive,” was the expression of English disdain to Irish endurance in the midst of the Great Famines of the 19th century. […]

    Seventy years earlier than Bellow, Oscar Wilde could whisper a more theatric explanation. “Life is terribly deficient in form. Its catastrophes happen in the wrong way to the wrong people. There is a grotesque horror about its comedies, and its tragedies seem to culminate in farce.” This is the characteristic, facile, off-putting “misery is power,” Irish reply to life out of control.

    You’ve got to bring some to get some.

    DURING the Great Famine, relapsing fever was the prevalent disease among the general population, while the higher social classes tended to contract the more deadly typhus fever, especially those who were most exposed to infection, notably clergymen, doctors, members of relief committees and those connected with the administration of the poor law. The mortality rate from typhus was also more pronounced among the middle and upper classes than it was among the poor, who may have developed some immunity through long-term exposure

    An underrated group, The Herd.

    Out of the land of shadows and
    Darkness, we were returning
    Towards the morning light
    Almost in reach of places I knew

    So much I longed to say,
    But my touch found only the
    Empty air and a black nights
    Coldness.
    Into another world you entered
    And never again I can reclaim you.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Sean

    My Irish grandfather was of the view that all Irish history is bollocks. He'd have loved the lie that is:
    “The Irish should not strive officiously to stay alive,” was the expression of English disdain to Irish endurance in the midst of the Great Famines of the 19th century.




    The original line was from the writings of Arthur Hugh Clough. WKPD: 'The Latest Decalogue's couplet on murder, "Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive officiously to keep alive"'

    Replies: @Sean

  37. • Replies: @Neoconned
    @JimB

    You can't live your life based on fear. Thats what the bunkertards amd the neocons want....

    There is an expression...."if its my time to go...."

    Not much you can do about it. About 4 yrs ago i took a microbiology class at my local junior college....the teacher was a PhD micro specialist....a lab I'll never forget is....we found out anti bacterial soap.has ONE MAIN INGREDIENT that kills germs....its helping create superbugs with immunity to that anti bacterial agent because so many idiots are overusing anti bacterial soap....its the same reason many antibiotics are becoming obsolete....superbigugs are becoming the norm as the old bacteria are wiped out by bacterial control measures....

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol....which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer...???

    Replies: @snorlax, @JimB, @vhrm

  38. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Depending on people to “do the right thing” is an exercise in futility; average people are stupid and selfish and by the time they “get the message” it will be too late. If we’re treating this like a potential Italy-type situation we need to implement the Italian solution: close the bars and restaurants. Only groceries, pharmacies and other essential businesses stay open. If people want to get drunk they can do it at home.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    Now there's a good excuse to stay home and drink alone.

    https://media.recovery.org/wp-content/uploads/recovery-shutter122793205-drinking-alone.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AKAHorace

    And you can feel patriotic and up beat when you do so.

    Cheers Buzz Mohawk

  40. @Che Blutarsky
    @Mr McKenna


    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.
     
    The robot-like people in the Orient are easier to keep in line when they know that if they fall out of line, their organs might be harvested.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Or eaten. They do like their exotic flesh pots over there.

  41. St Pat’s Day is amateur hour. Wouldn’t go out drinking on a dare.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @MBlanc46

    St Pat's and its vomitous December eqivalent, the Santa-costume pub crawl

    , @Rapparee
    @MBlanc46

    It’s the one day of the year I want to drive all these spud-munching Paddy bog-trotters back into the ocean. I’m only Irish the other 364 days on the calendar.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  42. @Doktor Jeep
    These are the sort of mindless people that nature used to weed out.
    Imagine if they were not around with the technology capabilities we have now.
    Let them congregate.

    Replies: @Kim

    Where did you get the idea that nature weeds out the mindless?

  43. @Ali Choudhury
    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.

    It’s a horrible thought. But it’s possible. Inter-generational hatreds are getting out of control. I’m sure there are quite a few people out there rejoicing at the idea of the hated Boomers getting coronavirus.

    We live in a culture that seems to be based more and more on hatred.

    Is it possible there are people in government who think this way? Is it possible that there are SJWs and globalist zealots in government who wouldn’t be too upset if non-PC old people would just hurry up and die so the SJW/globalist project can run unimpeded? I’d hate to think so. Even I’m not that cynical and pessimistic. And yet…

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    I will continue to go out to public places because Boomers (along with their health) are not my problem. It's similar to how Boomers do not care that their policies have basically wrecked the material well-being of younger generations.

    I care as much about Cov19's impact on the 60+ crowd, as much as they care about the impact of the national debt or medicare part d on future generations -- i.e., zero.

    Cheers!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon, @AnotherDad

    , @Anon
    @dfordoom

    Hate can be interpersonal hate or ideological hate.

    But look, as Socrates would say, at the usefulness of the epidemic. One possibility, older people dying breaks the chain of transmission of a culture, perhaps the Christian culture. You are left with mass media and the public schools to instil values or the lack thereof. Second, what policies could now be promoted? Love of country and neighbor, or the need for authoritarian government? On a world scale? It doesn’t help that the authoritarian Asian countries seem to have responded much, much better than Europe.

    I heard a new word two days ago: deglobalization.

    , @Neoconned
    @dfordoom

    Bet your ass the govt wants to thin the herd...

    https://mainepolicy.org/the-fiscal-costs-of-maines-demographic-winter/

    I have no idea how accurate tge above is but it says those 65 & up have a 2/3 drop in taxes of "paying into the system" and those 65 and over cost tge govt per the above 3x more than a person under 18...even w educational costs counted in....

    A coworker of mine is 61 and clearly needs SSI....she did her disability claim & was denied....to quote her "they keep raising the retirement age hoping we'll die before they have to pay us...."

  44. @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    They have just robbed thousands of students of their dreams

    I thought their dreams was to get a degree without a debt crater?

    What’s happening with De Blasio talking about nationalizations?

    I hoped pols would at least wait a few days before letting their inner animals ride, but no.

  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    No pub crawling? Even at the World's End?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHV8nW8H93o

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @John Derbyshire

    When the cholera comes—as it will past a doubt—
    Keep out of the wet and don’t go on the shout,
    For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out,
    An’ it crumples the young British soldier.
    http://4umi.com/kipling/ballads/1#h13

  46. In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus’s Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it’s not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count ’em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that’s not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    —–

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Anno

    Maybe the PM will keep out foreigners from entering, and perhaps remove some/many foreigners staying in hotels in the big cities. Now's the time to close the border, Japan! Keep the virus contained.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anno

    COVID-19 is the virus, SARS-CoV-2 is the disease.

    As HIV is to AIDS.

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Anon
    @Anno

    Why don't Breitbart, Daily Caller, Townhall and all those conservative media that insist on calling this "Chinese coronavirus" or "Wuhan virus" call the HIV "African virus", or the swine flu "Mexican virus"? No, they wouldn't dare. Double standard much?

    Replies: @anon, @dearieme, @Paco Wové

    , @Anon
    @Anno

    Wu Flu is what I've been seeing, and it's as good a term as any.

    , @eddy wobegon
    @Anno

    Not Wuhan virus, but THD -- Tom Hanks Disease. Lou Gehrig got a disease and Tom Hanks' career has earned himself lasting notoriety.

    , @britishbrainsize
    @Anno

    You have to name these viruses like it was done for H1n1 , does anyone even know it is the MEXICAN swine flu, the people in charge who evil the white man is see the racism on the chinese around the world because of this if it was named W----n this name will never die out like yellow belly ETC . WHITES ARE EVIL BASTARDS this is why only white or latinos or black american die from aids it is punishment from above to you

  47. I took a stroll of my Brooklyn neighborhood last night and I was shocked at how many people were out at bars and restaurants. It was like adult Spring Break.

    This afternoon the local hipster Chabad outpost was having what looks like a raucous dance party. Really unnerving.

  48. @anonguy
    It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus.

    You guys have been completely worthless. Pol and redditors are the heroes.

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Good dude, but past his prime. just another boomer wanting to milk it for the next twenty.

    Alas, really, he could have soared.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @AKAHorace, @Lugash, @tyrone

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Has he also been rearranging the furniture in your apartment when you’re not around? And writing the scripts to Hollywood blockbusters that you thought up years ago?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Daniel Williams

    Like Savoir Faire, Steve Sailer is Everywhere...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUfbdSnSNno

  49. @Hodag
    One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don't mean much. But in my travels I did have to exit the Kennedy at Addison. There was no backup and this did not happen in previous St Patrick's Days, due to a huge suburban groundswell of drunks. I thought that (literally) more sober heads prevailed. Oh well. Where do we find such shitheads?

    I want to secrete the Hodag family in our ancient Northwoods fastnesses. At least will have deer and walleye to eat. And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation...

    Replies: @Thea, @ken, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Colin Wright

    Raised your worry level that the child has a virus that he will recover from in 99.7% of cases?

  50. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    Loving the Boomer Pearl Clutching on this post.

    So basically, a bunch of young people are in hourly jobs, where they have a high risk of exposure from the general public and they aren’t paid for sick time.

    But…if they want to go out an have fun, then it’s completely unacceptable, because people in their 70’s and 80’s with pre-existing conditions may have to come to terms with biological reality?

    Sorry, but if Coronavirus were disproportionately hitting young families, the vast majority of Boomers and Pre-Boomers would be indifferent. While I do not wish the healthcare system to be swamped, the potential thinning of Boomers is a giant dose of Karma.

    On this one, deserve has everything to do with it.

  51. So the mood of this board is that everyone should stay inside and prepare to do it again next year as well?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ken

    I think the mood is: a daily exposure exposure graph without one big, dramatic spike in it is a best-case scenario. One big spike could result in hellish suffering.

    See: Italy.

  52. @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I’m welcoming the cancellation of any and all aspects of globo homo culture. Sportsball is a a biggie. Watching Charlie et al squeal is MY March Madness. The opiates of the masses are rotting in the fields!

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Hemid
    @Dennis Dale

    If the Olympics are canceled, Japan gets a reprieve from its sentence of death by corporate pozz.

    Arigatou, Corona-Chan!

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Anon
    @Dennis Dale

    I couldn't agree more! Kirk is correct that the NCAA has become inept, but not for the reasons that he stated. Good riddance to college basketball -- it's nothing more than negro daycare and serves no legitimate purpose in the educational sphere.

    Furthermore, Kirk is a shill to Israel and blatantly supports Globohomo. So much for "Cultural Wars", right?

  53. Serious question….some on here have claimed that Corona is a bioweapon….now may just be a conspiracy theory i dunno BUT the scenario goes that 200 or so US Service members visited Wuhan prior to the outbreak….

    1) what is the source of the claim regarding the “200 or so US military personnel”?

    2) ….can somebody post some UNZ LINKS AS IN the other non Steve bloggers on this site….

    3) if there are ANY NON UNZ LINKS making similar claims can somebody post those?

    …..please and thank you.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Neoconned

    The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.

    The 7th Military World Games was the first international military multi-sport event to be held in China and also it was the largest military sports event ever to be held in China, with nearly 10,000 athletes from over 100 countries competing in 27 sports.

    List of participating nations: 9,308 athletes from 110 countries participated in the games, 172 from the United States. [Wiki]

    Announced in November of 2017:

    "China will host the 7th Military World Games - the Olympics for military personnel - in Wuhan, Hubei province, from Oct 18 to 27, 2019, the Defense Ministry said on Friday."

    "More than 8,000 military athletes from more than 100 countries will participate in 27 major sporting events, said ministry spokesman Senior Colonel Wu Qian."

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-11/25/content_34967986.htm

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Steve from Detroit

    , @Brutusale
    @Neoconned

    Not totally sold by this, but Occam's Butterknife hasn't trimmed the facts down much.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

  54. @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    Maybe the PM will keep out foreigners from entering, and perhaps remove some/many foreigners staying in hotels in the big cities. Now’s the time to close the border, Japan! Keep the virus contained.

  55. Don’t anyone order any Coronas at the bar in the upcoming days. Might scare some people.

    “What you havin’?”

    “I’ll have Corona!”

    GASP!

  56. I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year’s filing deadline?

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Anno
    @International Jew


    I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year’s filing deadline?
     
    You can postpone it four months this or any year by sending in a Form 4868 "Application fo Automatic Extension of Time to File U.S. Individual Income Tax Return."

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4868.pdf

    www.irs.gov/Form4868

    And there are online services that for a fee will do this instantly under contract with the IRS.

    As an expat I get another two months even without requesting it, so my annual deadline is October 15.

    You're supposed to prepay any taxes you think you might owe, but the interest penalties are not that Draconian so you can just make a guess.

    In Japan they extended the filing deadline by a month, which is meaningful since there is no other way to extend it.

    , @snorlax
    @International Jew

    https://www.housingwire.com/articles/treasury-plans-to-delay-tax-filing-deadline/

    , @Bubba
    @International Jew

    Well, you were right and the LOL is on me!

  57. @JimB
    Here's a good reason to avoid bars:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/japanese-woman-contracts-coronavirus-after-contact-with-man-who-wanted-to-spread-it-report

    Here's a good reason to open doors with a tissue:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986425/Wuhan-woman-deliberately-spits-neighbours-doorknobs-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    And here's something you can do to protect yourself:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/coronavirus-passes-over-houses-with-cfa-sauce/

    Replies: @Neoconned

    You can’t live your life based on fear. Thats what the bunkertards amd the neocons want….

    There is an expression….”if its my time to go….”

    Not much you can do about it. About 4 yrs ago i took a microbiology class at my local junior college….the teacher was a PhD micro specialist….a lab I’ll never forget is….we found out anti bacterial soap.has ONE MAIN INGREDIENT that kills germs….its helping create superbugs with immunity to that anti bacterial agent because so many idiots are overusing anti bacterial soap….its the same reason many antibiotics are becoming obsolete….superbigugs are becoming the norm as the old bacteria are wiped out by bacterial control measures….

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol….which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer…???

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Neoconned

    "Immunity to alcohol" isn't physiologically possible.

    , @JimB
    @Neoconned


    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol….which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer…???
     
    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @kaganovitch

    , @vhrm
    @Neoconned

    it's a reasonable concern, but one the FDA is aware of.

    One of the reasons that it still allows alcohol to be used in hand sanitizer when it banned 20-some other active ingredients a few years ago is BECAUSE it was judged that the it poses a low risk of causing resistance.

  58. Denialist article from Heather Mac Donald, of all people, the popularizer of the “Fergusson Effect.”

    Compared to what?: On the misguided response to COVID-19.
    https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/compared-to-what

    Even if my odds of dying from coronavirus should suddenly jump ten-thousand-fold, from the current rate of .000012 percent across the U.S. population all the way up to .12 percent, I’d happily take those odds over the destruction being wrought on the U.S. and global economy from this unbridled panic.

    If the measures we undertake to protect a vulnerable few end up exposing them, along with the rest of society, to even more damaging risks—was it worth the cost?

    President Trump has been criticized for not being apocalyptic enough in his press conferences. In fact, he should be even more skeptical of the panic than he has been. He should relentlessly put the coronavirus risk into context with opioid deaths, homicide deaths—about sixteen thousand a year in the United States—flu deaths, and traffic deaths.

    And so on.

    My hunch: Heather-chan never got around to diversifying her 401(k), and her retirement years are not looking so good now.

  59. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Strictly OT:

    RIP “Gender-fluid rocker” Genesis P-Orridge

    From The Backward:
    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Musician, Artist and Provocateur, Dies at 70

    Genesis achieved cult notoriety leading the British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, and later pushed the limits of gender in a surgical project to merge identities with her wife.
    John Leland

    By John Leland

    March 14, 2020
    Updated 6:03 p.m. ET

    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, the provocative British musician, writer and visual artist who pushed the limits of gender and the self, often using her own skin as her medium, has dropped her body.

    At least, that is how she might have described the transition. Even in death, she would not have wanted to be held to drab social norms.

    Genesis’s daughters, Genesse and Caresse P-Orridge, announced her death in a statement shared on Facebook by her manager, Ryan Martin. They said Genesis died at her home on the Lower East Side of Manhattan on Saturday from leukemia. She was 70.

    Genesis led the influential British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, dabbled as a dominatrix in New York, ran a soup kitchen in Kathmandu, hid out from Scotland Yard, organized a cultlike fan club that asked initiates to send in their bodily fluids, and undertook a long-running surgical project to merge identities with her wife, Jacqueline Mary Breyer, in a single nongendered being they called a “pandrogyne.”

    It was a full life. “We’ve not squandered it,” Genesis said in 2018, using the plural pronoun to convey that she spoke for this dual identity. “We’ve utilized it to the maximum we could.”

    She was born Neil Andrew Megson on Feb. 22, 1950, in Manchester, England, the second of two children of Ronald and Muriel Megson, who both worked briefly as semiprofessional actors.

    Sickly as an adolescent, she had what she described as a tortured passage through England’s elite public school system, never comfortable with her body and gender. When, as a teenager, she discovered the Surrealist drawings of Max Ernst, which mashed together heads of one species with bodies of another, it gave her an early taste of the liberation she would pursue for the next five decades.

    “I’d grown up thinking that the world was what I saw, and then I realized it wasn’t — it could be anything at all,” she told The New York Times in 2018.

    It was the dawn of the psychedelic 1960s, and she saw that she could create herself in a new form, as an alter ego she called Genesis P-Orridge, who became a canvas for a wide range of experiments: artistic, pharmaceutical, surgical and spiritual.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/arts/music/genesis-breyer-p-orridge-dead.html

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Anonymous

    Glad he’s dead.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    I listened to some Throbbing Gristle back in the day. Completely unaware of this back story and recent stuff. The music wasn’t bad.

  60. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Ali Choudhury


    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.
     
    It's a horrible thought. But it's possible. Inter-generational hatreds are getting out of control. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there rejoicing at the idea of the hated Boomers getting coronavirus.

    We live in a culture that seems to be based more and more on hatred.

    Is it possible there are people in government who think this way? Is it possible that there are SJWs and globalist zealots in government who wouldn't be too upset if non-PC old people would just hurry up and die so the SJW/globalist project can run unimpeded? I'd hate to think so. Even I'm not that cynical and pessimistic. And yet...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Neoconned

    I will continue to go out to public places because Boomers (along with their health) are not my problem. It’s similar to how Boomers do not care that their policies have basically wrecked the material well-being of younger generations.

    I care as much about Cov19’s impact on the 60+ crowd, as much as they care about the impact of the national debt or medicare part d on future generations — i.e., zero.

    Cheers!

    • Troll: JimDandy
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    You shouldn't have been born.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    And if your appendix were to burst next week, or maybe your child were to have a seizure, and the hospitals were all clogged with Boomers who all at once had developed respiratory failure and there were no beds available, would you care then?

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    Good luck with that. I'm self-quarantining.

    You'll have to pry my shuffleboard cue from my cold dead fingers.

  61. @anonguy
    It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus.

    You guys have been completely worthless. Pol and redditors are the heroes.

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Good dude, but past his prime. just another boomer wanting to milk it for the next twenty.

    Alas, really, he could have soared.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @AKAHorace, @Lugash, @tyrone

    >It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus

    A national disgrace ? Because of how well and how much respect the U.S.A. has given Steve Sailer
    and the people that also write for Unz.com ?

  62. @International Jew
    I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year's filing deadline?

    Replies: @Anno, @snorlax, @Bubba

    I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year’s filing deadline?

    You can postpone it four months this or any year by sending in a Form 4868 “Application fo Automatic Extension of Time to File U.S. Individual Income Tax Return.”

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4868.pdf

    http://www.irs.gov/Form4868

    And there are online services that for a fee will do this instantly under contract with the IRS.

    As an expat I get another two months even without requesting it, so my annual deadline is October 15.

    You’re supposed to prepay any taxes you think you might owe, but the interest penalties are not that Draconian so you can just make a guess.

    In Japan they extended the filing deadline by a month, which is meaningful since there is no other way to extend it.

  63. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/Talking_Monkeys/status/1238994013816066049

    Replies: @Bubba, @Anonymous

    That has to be the best way to spread the Wu-flu throughout the U.S. quickly.

    • Replies: @britishbrainsize
    @Bubba

    BRITISHBRAINSIZW1325cc
    only WHITES and latinos and aframs with spanish and british genes die from aids , let that sink in he he .Would you like your corona chilled

  64. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    That happened about 3 days ago.

    Not particularly huge, that guy is probably reading The Unz Review.

    That "bioweapon" thing has been going since at at least start of February too.

    > It's a US bioweapon
    > It's a Chinese bioweapon
    > It's an Israeli bioweapon

    https://i.imgur.com/YCNHIJg.png

    I also get my USAMRIID-tier bioweapon knowledge from random websites.

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Known about this from the chans for the past week, it's been around twitter and in some periodicals. In that week has one shred of evidence emerged clearly tying it to Fort Detrick or is this like the British government claiming that only Vladimir Putin can do chemistry? All claims out of Beijing, those which appear vindicated by Korean data and those like this one which are classic Commie logic and not worth considering, are unimportant next to Turkey rewarding billions of dollars and years of NATO membership with an invasion which somehow isn't a war, yet.

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    Our Very High I.Q. , Extreme Right of Bell Curve owner of this site gets the credit for starting that rumor. Just like the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @MEH 0910
    @Anonymous

    https://www.unz.com/forum/china-spins-tale-that-the-u-s-army-started-the-coronavirus-epidemic/

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    And Ron Unz is jumping up and down like a little kid on Christmas morning.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  65. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    Yep. Even just in my area, the epicenter of the outbreak, trying to talk people incl. the elderly out of unnecessary trips to the gym, the store, skiing and what not gets me nothing but “you need to chill out”.

  66. @Dennis Dale
    @anon

    I'm welcoming the cancellation of any and all aspects of globo homo culture. Sportsball is a a biggie. Watching Charlie et al squeal is MY March Madness. The opiates of the masses are rotting in the fields!

    Replies: @Hemid, @Anon

    If the Olympics are canceled, Japan gets a reprieve from its sentence of death by corporate pozz.

    Arigatou, Corona-Chan!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Hemid

    But we will miss supernatural telekinetic mutant fights, US CVNs wanting to "just take a sample, we swear" and getting nuked, then telekinetically mangled, and orbiting laser platforms blasting holes into the Olympics stadia.

    The 2020 Tokyo Olympics Were Predicted 30 Years Ago by Akira

  67. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    COVID-19 is the virus, SARS-CoV-2 is the disease.

    As HIV is to AIDS.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Anonymous

    Other way around.

  68. @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    Why don’t Breitbart, Daily Caller, Townhall and all those conservative media that insist on calling this “Chinese coronavirus” or “Wuhan virus” call the HIV “African virus”, or the swine flu “Mexican virus”? No, they wouldn’t dare. Double standard much?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon


    swine flu “Mexican virus
     
    Swine flu started in asia somewhere, so should be called asian pig pox.
    , @dearieme
    @Anon

    Yeah, and the could call the Spanish Flu the American virus. Because WKPD: "There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated that the flu originated in Kansas, and popular author John Barry described Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin. It has also been stated that, by late 1917, there had already been a first wave of the epidemic in at least 14 US military camps."

    There are plenty of other theories if you'd like one. The one truth universally agreed is that it didn't come from Spain. I wonder how long it'll be before the Wuhan flu is found to have started somewhere else.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Paco Wové
    @Anon

    I like "SLEYCOVIRUS", or "Slanty-eyed contagion virus", best. Or just "slyco!".

  69. @International Jew
    I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year's filing deadline?

    Replies: @Anno, @snorlax, @Bubba

  70. @Neoconned
    @JimB

    You can't live your life based on fear. Thats what the bunkertards amd the neocons want....

    There is an expression...."if its my time to go...."

    Not much you can do about it. About 4 yrs ago i took a microbiology class at my local junior college....the teacher was a PhD micro specialist....a lab I'll never forget is....we found out anti bacterial soap.has ONE MAIN INGREDIENT that kills germs....its helping create superbugs with immunity to that anti bacterial agent because so many idiots are overusing anti bacterial soap....its the same reason many antibiotics are becoming obsolete....superbigugs are becoming the norm as the old bacteria are wiped out by bacterial control measures....

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol....which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer...???

    Replies: @snorlax, @JimB, @vhrm

    “Immunity to alcohol” isn’t physiologically possible.

  71. @Anonymous
    @Anno

    COVID-19 is the virus, SARS-CoV-2 is the disease.

    As HIV is to AIDS.

    Replies: @snorlax

    Other way around.

  72. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    I will continue to go out to public places because Boomers (along with their health) are not my problem. It's similar to how Boomers do not care that their policies have basically wrecked the material well-being of younger generations.

    I care as much about Cov19's impact on the 60+ crowd, as much as they care about the impact of the national debt or medicare part d on future generations -- i.e., zero.

    Cheers!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon, @AnotherDad

    You shouldn’t have been born.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @El Dato

    Blame a boomer for it. Ironic, but he's our foulest issue yet.

    Seriously. How do I know we boomers effed up? Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action, beyond spinning conspiracy theories and commiserating--anonymously--online with each other.

    I love how many are anonymous. All these little Bill Clintons protecting their petty "political viability". They're pussing out so as not to get fired from some globo homo corp (or the Food Shack), and calling out the "boomers" for essentially the same thing.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Corvinus

  73. @Anonymous
    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China! https://youtu.be/hZftihVyq9E

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @anon, @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    That happened about 3 days ago.

    Not particularly huge, that guy is probably reading The Unz Review.

    That “bioweapon” thing has been going since at at least start of February too.

    > It’s a US bioweapon
    > It’s a Chinese bioweapon
    > It’s an Israeli bioweapon

    I also get my USAMRIID-tier bioweapon knowledge from random websites.

  74. @Anonymous
    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China! https://youtu.be/hZftihVyq9E

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @anon, @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    Known about this from the chans for the past week, it’s been around twitter and in some periodicals. In that week has one shred of evidence emerged clearly tying it to Fort Detrick or is this like the British government claiming that only Vladimir Putin can do chemistry? All claims out of Beijing, those which appear vindicated by Korean data and those like this one which are classic Commie logic and not worth considering, are unimportant next to Turkey rewarding billions of dollars and years of NATO membership with an invasion which somehow isn’t a war, yet.

  75. ” people ingreen regalia waiting to get drunk and spread a virus.”

    They look young and immuno-normal and without any medical preconditions. So they probably won’t contract the virus, if they do the virus probably won’t be able to overrun their immune system, and if the virus does overwhelm their immune system they will likely have a mild case. Since the old in the US don’t seem to feel they owe the young anything, I don’t see why the young should inconvenience themselves for the old?

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

  76. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    I will continue to go out to public places because Boomers (along with their health) are not my problem. It's similar to how Boomers do not care that their policies have basically wrecked the material well-being of younger generations.

    I care as much about Cov19's impact on the 60+ crowd, as much as they care about the impact of the national debt or medicare part d on future generations -- i.e., zero.

    Cheers!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon, @AnotherDad

    And if your appendix were to burst next week, or maybe your child were to have a seizure, and the hospitals were all clogged with Boomers who all at once had developed respiratory failure and there were no beds available, would you care then?

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  77. @Neoconned
    @JimB

    You can't live your life based on fear. Thats what the bunkertards amd the neocons want....

    There is an expression...."if its my time to go...."

    Not much you can do about it. About 4 yrs ago i took a microbiology class at my local junior college....the teacher was a PhD micro specialist....a lab I'll never forget is....we found out anti bacterial soap.has ONE MAIN INGREDIENT that kills germs....its helping create superbugs with immunity to that anti bacterial agent because so many idiots are overusing anti bacterial soap....its the same reason many antibiotics are becoming obsolete....superbigugs are becoming the norm as the old bacteria are wiped out by bacterial control measures....

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol....which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer...???

    Replies: @snorlax, @JimB, @vhrm

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol….which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer…???

    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @JimB

    Grape juice sugar and yeast

    Replies: @JimB

    , @kaganovitch
    @JimB

    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.


    Not chemically possible I'm afraid without distillation. %20 is about the highest alcohol content you can get w/o distillation.

  78. @Hemid
    @Dennis Dale

    If the Olympics are canceled, Japan gets a reprieve from its sentence of death by corporate pozz.

    Arigatou, Corona-Chan!

    Replies: @El Dato

    But we will miss supernatural telekinetic mutant fights, US CVNs wanting to “just take a sample, we swear” and getting nuked, then telekinetically mangled, and orbiting laser platforms blasting holes into the Olympics stadia.

    The 2020 Tokyo Olympics Were Predicted 30 Years Ago by Akira

  79. So the UK is choosing not to wreck its economy. Meanwhile, we’re going to spend billions and create a recession over what will be a few hundred deaths, compared to 35,000 for the regular flu.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @RichardTaylor

    Why do people have such a hard time understanding this infects far more people far faster and is orders of magnitude more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    A real recession occurs when something has fundamentally changed in an economy not because production has artificially when lowered for a relatively short period. If this has the effect off bursting the 'everything' bubble, better sooner than later.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Neoconned, @ken

    , @El Dato
    @RichardTaylor


    create a recession
     
    Like a lung full of tar, "recessions" are a product of taking easy but bad decisions for a long, long time.
  80. @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I’m not even sure this Charlie Kirk is a real person. Seems like some kind of poorly executed “deep fake”, I think the term is. His head is too large and everything attributed to this character is so ridiculously weird.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Just another serf

    I've been thinking that for a while.

    There's no way that he could exist.

  81. @Anon
    @Anno

    Why don't Breitbart, Daily Caller, Townhall and all those conservative media that insist on calling this "Chinese coronavirus" or "Wuhan virus" call the HIV "African virus", or the swine flu "Mexican virus"? No, they wouldn't dare. Double standard much?

    Replies: @anon, @dearieme, @Paco Wové

    swine flu “Mexican virus

    Swine flu started in asia somewhere, so should be called asian pig pox.

  82. Stupid people who insist on being out and about are putting vulnerable people in danger. In King County, WA, the disease has been found to progress at a stunningly fast rate in some patients. At the Life Care Center in Kirkland where the outbreak originated, a resident went from being totally fine, to having flu like symptoms to being on her death bed within one hour. A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @JUSA


    A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.
     
    Compare to Claire Marin (43) of Omaha, Nebraska: she mailed copies of this letter to five people and days later her husband came home with news of a BIG promotion.

    Replies: @Steve from Detroit

    , @Anon
    @JUSA

    Sounds like the 19818 Spanish Flu. Husband and kids leave in the morning. Kids come home for lunch, find Mom dead.

  83. @Hodag
    One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don't mean much. But in my travels I did have to exit the Kennedy at Addison. There was no backup and this did not happen in previous St Patrick's Days, due to a huge suburban groundswell of drunks. I thought that (literally) more sober heads prevailed. Oh well. Where do we find such shitheads?

    I want to secrete the Hodag family in our ancient Northwoods fastnesses. At least will have deer and walleye to eat. And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation...

    Replies: @Thea, @ken, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Colin Wright

    And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation…

    Yes, but it does not mean you should eat them.


  84. I’ve got four or five of these symptoms, but I’m not sure if I have CV. The official UK advice is that I don’t have it and shouldn’t isolate because I don’t have “a fever or a ‘new, persistant cough’ ”.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian
    @TelfoedJohn


    I’ve got four or five of these symptoms, but I’m not sure if I have CV. The official UK advice is that I don’t have it and shouldn’t isolate because I don’t have “a fever or a ‘new, persistant cough’ ”.
     
    Fatigue, vomiting, headache and diahorrea is just a Guinness hangover.
    , @Known Fact
    @TelfoedJohn

    Pretty sure this is the first time I've ever seen an artist actually attempt to depict diarrhea. Could we just go back to someone with a squeamish facial expression?

  85. @anonguy
    It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus.

    You guys have been completely worthless. Pol and redditors are the heroes.

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Good dude, but past his prime. just another boomer wanting to milk it for the next twenty.

    Alas, really, he could have soared.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @AKAHorace, @Lugash, @tyrone

    And he stole your dishwasher and gave it to his wife!

  86. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/Talking_Monkeys/status/1238994013816066049

    Replies: @Bubba, @Anonymous

    I don’t know if there was any way around NOT having this occur. People were selfishly jetsetting schmucks, waiting until the last minute to come home. And you’re acting like the people hadn’t already been sardined in recirculating air for 8-10 hours anyway getting it that way.

  87. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    America is still whistling past the graveyard. But if we *do manage to get lucky and avoid crashing the healthcare sector, what will be the cause?

    What role does population density play in slowing the devastation? Europe and Asia have much higher population density than America. Is that why Russia has been spared? South American countries? It would be interesting to know, especially for whenever life returns to normal. The Long-Con-servatives like Charlie Kirk have been eyeing our Amber Waves of Grain for high rise apartments for a while now.

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    Did you notice that almost all those people are White?

    Don't worry though. The Trump administration is on top of it.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1238921166074466304

    Don't let the Socialists tell you otherwise.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1238860728565747714

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JimDandy, @The Alarmist, @Corvinus

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

  89. @Neoconned
    @JimB

    You can't live your life based on fear. Thats what the bunkertards amd the neocons want....

    There is an expression...."if its my time to go...."

    Not much you can do about it. About 4 yrs ago i took a microbiology class at my local junior college....the teacher was a PhD micro specialist....a lab I'll never forget is....we found out anti bacterial soap.has ONE MAIN INGREDIENT that kills germs....its helping create superbugs with immunity to that anti bacterial agent because so many idiots are overusing anti bacterial soap....its the same reason many antibiotics are becoming obsolete....superbigugs are becoming the norm as the old bacteria are wiped out by bacterial control measures....

    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol....which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer...???

    Replies: @snorlax, @JimB, @vhrm

    it’s a reasonable concern, but one the FDA is aware of.

    One of the reasons that it still allows alcohol to be used in hand sanitizer when it banned 20-some other active ingredients a few years ago is BECAUSE it was judged that the it poses a low risk of causing resistance.

  90. @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    might present some difficulty.

    deserves understatement of the year award. Like the NASA reporter who said Obviously a major malfunction when the space shuttle challenger blew up.

  91. @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    You shouldn't have been born.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    Blame a boomer for it. Ironic, but he’s our foulest issue yet.

    Seriously. How do I know we boomers effed up? Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action, beyond spinning conspiracy theories and commiserating–anonymously–online with each other.

    I love how many are anonymous. All these little Bill Clintons protecting their petty “political viability”. They’re pussing out so as not to get fired from some globo homo corp (or the Food Shack), and calling out the “boomers” for essentially the same thing.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Dennis Dale


    Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action
     
    If you adjust for RACE you'll find that's not true. The majority of young Whites voted for Trump. And actually I think Boomers are far more whiny than young Whites - well especially the young men. How can you look at 60s culture and not see self-indulgent babies with no loyalty to anyone?

    Young White guys have the bleakest future of any generation we've seen. We let them down.
    , @Corvinus
    @Dennis Dale

    The reality is that too many things are unnecessary out blamed on Boomers and Jews. Mott Gen Xers and Millennials do not share the vitriol toward these two groups. It’s much easier to scapegoat rather than take into account a myriad of factors why we are where we are.

  92. @Anonymous
    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China! https://youtu.be/hZftihVyq9E

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @anon, @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    Our Very High I.Q. , Extreme Right of Bell Curve owner of this site gets the credit for starting that rumor. Just like the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    That's not true. This rumor was there right from the start. What's new is that the Chinese government is now apparently officially endorsing what was previously just street gossip.

  93. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    They are blaming the sudden climb of Covid-19 cases in Spain on a Women’s March. I presume pub-crawling will leave many of the celebrants in bed for the next week or so, and it won’t be from hangovers.

    Alcoholics are not rational people.

    Alcohol depresses your immune system. Trying to cure Covid-19 with booze-laden toddies is insane behavior during a pandemic. The sugar in mixed drinks also depresses your immune system.

    Of course, pub-crawling right now comes under the heading of ‘one last blow-out before stuff hits the fan.’

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Anon

    It's pure selfishness and hypocrisy from the woke generation that lives to avoid offending: "I'm not afraid of catching a cold! Fuck all this fear-mongering. And if I kill some sick or old person? Meh."

    The youngins are calling the virus "Boomer remover".

    , @LondonBob
    @Anon

    The Spanish PM's wife has tested positive, she went on the now infamous feminist march.

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1238973459402653697?s=20

  94. @Dennis Dale
    @El Dato

    Blame a boomer for it. Ironic, but he's our foulest issue yet.

    Seriously. How do I know we boomers effed up? Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action, beyond spinning conspiracy theories and commiserating--anonymously--online with each other.

    I love how many are anonymous. All these little Bill Clintons protecting their petty "political viability". They're pussing out so as not to get fired from some globo homo corp (or the Food Shack), and calling out the "boomers" for essentially the same thing.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Corvinus

    Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action

    If you adjust for RACE you’ll find that’s not true. The majority of young Whites voted for Trump. And actually I think Boomers are far more whiny than young Whites – well especially the young men. How can you look at 60s culture and not see self-indulgent babies with no loyalty to anyone?

    Young White guys have the bleakest future of any generation we’ve seen. We let them down.

  95. @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    Wu Flu is what I’ve been seeing, and it’s as good a term as any.

  96. @Anon
    They are blaming the sudden climb of Covid-19 cases in Spain on a Women's March. I presume pub-crawling will leave many of the celebrants in bed for the next week or so, and it won't be from hangovers.

    Alcoholics are not rational people.

    Alcohol depresses your immune system. Trying to cure Covid-19 with booze-laden toddies is insane behavior during a pandemic. The sugar in mixed drinks also depresses your immune system.

    Of course, pub-crawling right now comes under the heading of 'one last blow-out before stuff hits the fan.'

    Replies: @JimDandy, @LondonBob

    It’s pure selfishness and hypocrisy from the woke generation that lives to avoid offending: “I’m not afraid of catching a cold! Fuck all this fear-mongering. And if I kill some sick or old person? Meh.”

    The youngins are calling the virus “Boomer remover”.

  97. @Neoconned
    Serious question....some on here have claimed that Corona is a bioweapon....now may just be a conspiracy theory i dunno BUT the scenario goes that 200 or so US Service members visited Wuhan prior to the outbreak....

    1) what is the source of the claim regarding the "200 or so US military personnel"?

    2) ....can somebody post some UNZ LINKS AS IN the other non Steve bloggers on this site....

    3) if there are ANY NON UNZ LINKS making similar claims can somebody post those?

    .....please and thank you.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Brutusale

    The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.

    The 7th Military World Games was the first international military multi-sport event to be held in China and also it was the largest military sports event ever to be held in China, with nearly 10,000 athletes from over 100 countries competing in 27 sports.

    List of participating nations: 9,308 athletes from 110 countries participated in the games, 172 from the United States. [Wiki]

    Announced in November of 2017:

    “China will host the 7th Military World Games – the Olympics for military personnel – in Wuhan, Hubei province, from Oct 18 to 27, 2019, the Defense Ministry said on Friday.”

    “More than 8,000 military athletes from more than 100 countries will participate in 27 major sporting events, said ministry spokesman Senior Colonel Wu Qian.”

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-11/25/content_34967986.htm

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @CCZ

    Thanks.

    , @Steve from Detroit
    @CCZ

    This is a prime example of why I benefit from reading this blog. I like to think I am fairly well read regarding the news, but this is the first time I've seen this. You'd think this would be of interest to people wanting to examine what is occurring, rather than endlessly repeating doomsday statistics.

    Also, this:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/28/800442646/acclaimed-harvard-scientist-is-arrested-accused-of-lying-about-ties-to-china

    Replies: @CCZ

  98. @ken
    So the mood of this board is that everyone should stay inside and prepare to do it again next year as well?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I think the mood is: a daily exposure exposure graph without one big, dramatic spike in it is a best-case scenario. One big spike could result in hellish suffering.

    See: Italy.

  99. @Rich
    There's a study somewhere on the web that says beer drinkers are less likely to catch Coronavirus, so let the kids have their fun. Eat, drink and be merry, tomorrow you die...

    Replies: @Pericles

  100. @Anon
    They are blaming the sudden climb of Covid-19 cases in Spain on a Women's March. I presume pub-crawling will leave many of the celebrants in bed for the next week or so, and it won't be from hangovers.

    Alcoholics are not rational people.

    Alcohol depresses your immune system. Trying to cure Covid-19 with booze-laden toddies is insane behavior during a pandemic. The sugar in mixed drinks also depresses your immune system.

    Of course, pub-crawling right now comes under the heading of 'one last blow-out before stuff hits the fan.'

    Replies: @JimDandy, @LondonBob

    The Spanish PM’s wife has tested positive, she went on the now infamous feminist march.

  101. @Just another serf
    @anon

    I’m not even sure this Charlie Kirk is a real person. Seems like some kind of poorly executed “deep fake”, I think the term is. His head is too large and everything attributed to this character is so ridiculously weird.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I’ve been thinking that for a while.

    There’s no way that he could exist.

  102. I actually really disappointed how many young people don’t seem to care about potentially spreading the virus to vulnerable people. I’d reckon 10-20%.

    The other thing is I think a lot of them don’t realise the virus is currently spreading around the US outside NY.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai

    Ok, boomer. Who's the snowflake generation now? Suck it up, cupcake.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @danand
    @Altai


    “The other thing is I think a lot of them don’t realise the virus is currently spreading around the US outside NY.”
     
    Altai, you're right on that:

    https://flic.kr/p/2iEr1SL

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  103. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Ok, boomer.

    We who are not at risk from anything but a cough really don’t care if evil boomers who literally robbed us can’t handle a cold.

    Deal with it, “snowflake” generation.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    But Bernie could get it and die.

    , @eddy wobegon
    @Anonymous

    "literally robbed us" -- I don't think you know what the word "literally" means. Try "figuratively robbed us" instead.

    "No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person"

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Achmed E. Newman

  104. @George
    " people ingreen regalia waiting to get drunk and spread a virus."

    They look young and immuno-normal and without any medical preconditions. So they probably won't contract the virus, if they do the virus probably won't be able to overrun their immune system, and if the virus does overwhelm their immune system they will likely have a mild case. Since the old in the US don't seem to feel they owe the young anything, I don't see why the young should inconvenience themselves for the old?

    Replies: @FPD72

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @FPD72


    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.
     
    Sounds good to me, boomer.
    , @dearieme
    @FPD72

    Be sure not to leave your wealth to young people. How about a donkey sanctuary? Pleasant creatures, donkeys.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    , @George
    @FPD72

    "other than incur the direct costs of raising them?"

    Ever hear of the national debt, now in the hundreds of trillions? The old borrowed the money and now want the youth to pay it back.

    "Oh, and pay school taxes,"
    Search on unfunded pension liabilities. The k-12 system was funded with either with actual bonds or by promising benefits that were not reserved for. So in short, the youth is now paying for their k-12 education and probably their parents k-12 education and possibly their grand parents k-12 education.

    "support higher education,"
    Bogus degrees and student debt. Why can't the youth declare bankruptcy to get out of onerous student debt? Joe Biden made that impossible. prek-k-12+Higher education has become a means to supply educrats and support staff with pensions.

    "build infrastructure"
    I haven't seen major infrastructure projects, outside of IT, in maybe half a century. It is also important to note that if a highway was built with long term debt, it is the current youth that are paying for it through the debt payments while the oldsters get relatively lavish pensions and benefits for having built it.

    ", improve the environment, etc."
    You mean demolishing the dams that were built? Etc? Where is the national health insurance or some form of functioning market based system.

    "I pay my taxes"
    So why did the national debt balloon if you paid for everything upfront?

    Oldsters have greatly benefited from the current system. The downside to the policy is a lack of hospital beds (meaning staff and equipment) and especially ICUs. It seems impossible that Italy can't cope with 20,000 extra patients but the problem seems to be ICU staffed equipped beds.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    , @Anon
    @FPD72

    "When my kids were young I coached sports teams. ... Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school."

    Mother Theresa, is that you? How could you sacrifice so much for us? How could these youngsters not realize you changed their life, and lowered their rent?

    , @Neuday
    @FPD72

    Can you take the Hart-Cellar Act and the 14th Amendment with you when you go?

    Replies: @FPD72, @hhsiii

    , @Pilgrim
    @FPD72


    support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment
     
    Alzheimer's is so sad. I hope you get the help you need, boomer.
  105. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    I actually really disappointed how many young people don't seem to care about potentially spreading the virus to vulnerable people. I'd reckon 10-20%.

    The other thing is I think a lot of them don't realise the virus is currently spreading around the US outside NY.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @danand

    Ok, boomer. Who’s the snowflake generation now? Suck it up, cupcake.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    Seems a bit of an overreaction to a little name-calling.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  106. @RichardTaylor
    So the UK is choosing not to wreck its economy. Meanwhile, we're going to spend billions and create a recession over what will be a few hundred deaths, compared to 35,000 for the regular flu.

    Replies: @Altai, @El Dato

    Why do people have such a hard time understanding this infects far more people far faster and is orders of magnitude more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    A real recession occurs when something has fundamentally changed in an economy not because production has artificially when lowered for a relatively short period. If this has the effect off bursting the ‘everything’ bubble, better sooner than later.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Altai

    Sure it is more deadly than our usual seasonal flu but it is nowhere near as deadly as the Spanish Flu and the world didn't end then. It certainly doesn't require us destroying the world economy over simply so anyone over seventy with serious health issues can eke out an extra year or two more.

    , @Neoconned
    @Altai

    Or as Zero Hedge put it "the Great Re-set...."

    They say consumption is 70% of the economy...theyre closing Walmart in my area....that only happens during literally Christmas Day and hurricanes....

    Im beginning to think this will be worse economically than its being predicted...

    I dunno i lived thru Katrina & i recall it like a slow moving train wreck.

    , @ken
    @Altai

    We don't quarantine for the flu because of the speed of its spread, so how is quarantine going to be effective against a virus that is faster?

  107. @Thea
    @Hodag

    I really hope American obesity is a casualty of corona.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I had the same thought, but the chip aisle remains fully stocked, though the toilet and tissue aisle is bare. We need someone to start a “better stock up on cupcakes” panic.

  108. 89D57BC2-DE2B-4CF1-8F5D-8EBB61D00081

    In the event you want to track one of the “hotspots”, silicon valley. A little surprised at the high percentage hospitalized.

    I know it was ranges as somewhere between not too smart thru very dumb – potentially deadly, but I ate lunch today at the Cheesecake Factory, Westfield Valley Fair Shopping Center. The host informed me that as per new Santa Clara County directive seating was limited/space separated, and indeed it was. The normally packed bar area was limited down to roughly a dozen people.

    https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/home.aspx

    • Replies: @res
    @danand


    In the event you want to track one of the “hotspots”, silicon valley. A little surprised at the high percentage hospitalized.
     
    Given the lack of testing there is probably a significant undercount of cases.
  109. Meanwhile,

    Isis issues coronavirus travel advice: terrorists should avoid Europe

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/isis-issues-coronavirus-travel-advice-terrorists-should-avoid-europe-5m89dvjjw

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Smithsonian

    Thanks, I'll post.

  110. @anonguy
    It is a national disgrace how poorly iSteveosphere has done and continues to do on the virus.

    You guys have been completely worthless. Pol and redditors are the heroes.

    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.

    Good dude, but past his prime. just another boomer wanting to milk it for the next twenty.

    Alas, really, he could have soared.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @AKAHorace, @Lugash, @tyrone

    Do you need somebody to tell you to wash your hands again?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @tyrone

    Maybe this is bad taste, but....in terms of the importance of "washing your hands," should we be making Pontius Pilate the poster-boy for this alleged crisis?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Known Fact

  111. @TelfoedJohn
    https://i.redd.it/y7qp0eff7qm41.jpg

    I’ve got four or five of these symptoms, but I’m not sure if I have CV. The official UK advice is that I don’t have it and shouldn’t isolate because I don’t have “a fever or a ‘new, persistant cough’ ”.

    Replies: @Smithsonian, @Known Fact

    I’ve got four or five of these symptoms, but I’m not sure if I have CV. The official UK advice is that I don’t have it and shouldn’t isolate because I don’t have “a fever or a ‘new, persistant cough’ ”.

    Fatigue, vomiting, headache and diahorrea is just a Guinness hangover.

  112. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    Ok, boomer. Who's the snowflake generation now? Suck it up, cupcake.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Seems a bit of an overreaction to a little name-calling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Not our fault you're so old, senile and decrepit and can't handle a dry cough and mild fever.

    Sorry, snowflake. Not everyone melts at precisely 33 degrees.


    But I forgot, boomers always "stayed away" from having fun when their elders told them to it wasn't good for society.

    Just kidding, boomers ALWAYS did whatever the hell they wanted, damn their elders.

    Leave us alone. Steve wasn't going to go out and get laid on a St. Patrick's day pub crawl so it's easy for him to tell people at zero risk to suffer for his benefit.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Anon, @sayless

    , @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Like when boomers starting flipping out over how laughing at dumb boomers by saying "ok, boomer" is equivalent to menacingly dropping directing n-words at them?

    Most absurd snowflake reaction in history.

    And look at FPD72s post. Yes, that absolutely warrants risk of coronavirus. Boomers have had ample opportunity to repent for their sins and they've proven to be utterly incapable of rational or moral thought.

    "What did any boomer ever do?" he cried out, as he strikes you.

    Replies: @sayless

  113. @Anonymous
    Ok, boomer.

    We who are not at risk from anything but a cough really don't care if evil boomers who literally robbed us can't handle a cold.

    Deal with it, "snowflake" generation.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @eddy wobegon

    But Bernie could get it and die.

  114. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    Seems a bit of an overreaction to a little name-calling.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Not our fault you’re so old, senile and decrepit and can’t handle a dry cough and mild fever.

    Sorry, snowflake. Not everyone melts at precisely 33 degrees.

    But I forgot, boomers always “stayed away” from having fun when their elders told them to it wasn’t good for society.

    Just kidding, boomers ALWAYS did whatever the hell they wanted, damn their elders.

    Leave us alone. Steve wasn’t going to go out and get laid on a St. Patrick’s day pub crawl so it’s easy for him to tell people at zero risk to suffer for his benefit.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    Lol you don’t have any idea how old I am or my voting record or health. Good luck.

    And I think Steve is just offering some advice. Don’t feel constrained to accept it. Thanks for keeping the economy going.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Just don’t ask us to forgive your college debt, sucker.

    , @sayless
    @Anonymous

    “people at zero risk”

    But young adults are not at zero risk. This isn’t a flu. People who get it, and young people can, are at risk to lose up to 30% of their lung capacity. The lung autopsy photos out of China show large areas “like frosted glass.” It’s horrific.

  115. Stay away from the soldiers every night.
    Try to imagine what it’s like on farms.
    For in procuring a Chrysler of white,
    You’ll find tears in solution in your arms.

    It was NOT to be so easily charmed,
    That we sent you to school, to be harmed.

    — Frank O’Hara

  116. @Altai
    I actually really disappointed how many young people don't seem to care about potentially spreading the virus to vulnerable people. I'd reckon 10-20%.

    The other thing is I think a lot of them don't realise the virus is currently spreading around the US outside NY.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @danand

    “The other thing is I think a lot of them don’t realise the virus is currently spreading around the US outside NY.”

    Altai, you’re right on that:

    5D014CA2-413B-47BD-AB9A-966CF96D000A

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  117. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @hhsiii
    @Anonymous

    Seems a bit of an overreaction to a little name-calling.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Like when boomers starting flipping out over how laughing at dumb boomers by saying “ok, boomer” is equivalent to menacingly dropping directing n-words at them?

    Most absurd snowflake reaction in history.

    And look at FPD72s post. Yes, that absolutely warrants risk of coronavirus. Boomers have had ample opportunity to repent for their sins and they’ve proven to be utterly incapable of rational or moral thought.

    “What did any boomer ever do?” he cried out, as he strikes you.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Anonymous

    What is the import of it,

    OK boomer, or

    OK, boomer?

    I get the hostility but not the specific meaning.

  118. @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    Not Wuhan virus, but THD — Tom Hanks Disease. Lou Gehrig got a disease and Tom Hanks’ career has earned himself lasting notoriety.

  119. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Sounds good to me, boomer.

  120. @JUSA
    Stupid people who insist on being out and about are putting vulnerable people in danger. In King County, WA, the disease has been found to progress at a stunningly fast rate in some patients. At the Life Care Center in Kirkland where the outbreak originated, a resident went from being totally fine, to having flu like symptoms to being on her death bed within one hour. A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Anon

    A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.

    Compare to Claire Marin (43) of Omaha, Nebraska: she mailed copies of this letter to five people and days later her husband came home with news of a BIG promotion.

    • Agree: vinny
    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Steve from Detroit
    @Daniel Williams

    Thank you for this. I heartily laughed out loud after reading this, and that very rarely happens.

    You just made my day.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams

  121. @Anonymous
    Ok, boomer.

    We who are not at risk from anything but a cough really don't care if evil boomers who literally robbed us can't handle a cold.

    Deal with it, "snowflake" generation.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @eddy wobegon

    “literally robbed us” — I don’t think you know what the word “literally” means. Try “figuratively robbed us” instead.

    “No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person”

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @eddy wobegon

    To rob: take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.

    I'd say what Boomers did, and the "Greatest Generation" did, comes pretty close to that definition. The whole point of the country was to be set things up for "Ourselves and OUR posterity".

    But the "Greatest Generation" and the Boomers sold that out. The GG, those now dead grandpaws, used to say they had fought a war for fat benefits! Some didn't like mass 3rd world immigration but they kept their pie holes shut in public. Didn't want to cause trouble. But oh man, if you didn't raise social security benefits those warriors would take to the street! LOL

    They bankrupted a country and forever destroyed its demographics. Hell, I'd rather be robbed!

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @eddy wobegon


    “No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person”
     
    How did he turn into two men just by helping a stupid person? That's the part I don't get.

    I appreciate your trying to help put the kibosh on this "literally" crap, Eddy. It literally irks the shit out of me. I gotta go stock up on toilet paper .. for my bunghole.
  122. If this is your last weekend without assisted ventillation, take strength from the words of the profetess of the Medicare-for-me-pampered boomer: “there is no such thing as society”.

  123. Question for Steve is what was the impact of the second wave of the Spanish Flu on Philadelphia in comparison to St Louis?

    For all this talking about vaccines, what is the track record on vaccines for coronaviruses?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @LondonBob

    The death rate was about twice as high in Philadelphia (which held a huge parade) in late 1918 as in St. Louis (which locked down).

    Replies: @LondonBob, @The Alarmist

    , @Anonymous
    @LondonBob

    wapo has this graphic, saying that Philadelphia was not hit the second time and this is a pretty good illustration of "flattening the curve."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/T4QT56LWDRGMFKH45D7Q3RACAE.jpg

  124. @Altai
    @RichardTaylor

    Why do people have such a hard time understanding this infects far more people far faster and is orders of magnitude more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    A real recession occurs when something has fundamentally changed in an economy not because production has artificially when lowered for a relatively short period. If this has the effect off bursting the 'everything' bubble, better sooner than later.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Neoconned, @ken

    Sure it is more deadly than our usual seasonal flu but it is nowhere near as deadly as the Spanish Flu and the world didn’t end then. It certainly doesn’t require us destroying the world economy over simply so anyone over seventy with serious health issues can eke out an extra year or two more.

  125. @eddy wobegon
    @Anonymous

    "literally robbed us" -- I don't think you know what the word "literally" means. Try "figuratively robbed us" instead.

    "No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person"

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Achmed E. Newman

    To rob: take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.

    I’d say what Boomers did, and the “Greatest Generation” did, comes pretty close to that definition. The whole point of the country was to be set things up for “Ourselves and OUR posterity”.

    But the “Greatest Generation” and the Boomers sold that out. The GG, those now dead grandpaws, used to say they had fought a war for fat benefits! Some didn’t like mass 3rd world immigration but they kept their pie holes shut in public. Didn’t want to cause trouble. But oh man, if you didn’t raise social security benefits those warriors would take to the street! LOL

    They bankrupted a country and forever destroyed its demographics. Hell, I’d rather be robbed!

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @RichardTaylor

    Ha, but it doesn’t seem like the solutions being offered by the most popular choice of the younger generation would solve these problems in the slightest. Quite the reverse.

    I really don’t think much about generations. I’m kinda on the cusp. I have 3 kids in public school in nyc. Half my daughter’s class was out Friday. Not sure if it makes sense but I’m pulling them out this week.

    My office just sent around an alert that a second person tested positive. Two floors away from me but hey same elevators, plus we hand scan to get in.

  126. The Chicago authorities are telling people not to attend events where large numbers of people congregate…but be sure to get out and vote.

  127. @LondonBob
    Question for Steve is what was the impact of the second wave of the Spanish Flu on Philadelphia in comparison to St Louis?

    For all this talking about vaccines, what is the track record on vaccines for coronaviruses?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    The death rate was about twice as high in Philadelphia (which held a huge parade) in late 1918 as in St. Louis (which locked down).

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Steve Sailer

    That was the first wave, the Spanish flu hit again, St Louis was hit harder than the more immune Philadelphia.

    Replies: @res

    , @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Philly had a lot more Italians, a group, much like today, who seemed to be one of the groups hardest hit by the Spanish Flu.

  128. @Smithsonian
    Meanwhile,

    Isis issues coronavirus travel advice: terrorists should avoid Europe
     
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/isis-issues-coronavirus-travel-advice-terrorists-should-avoid-europe-5m89dvjjw

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  129. @tyrone
    @anonguy

    Do you need somebody to tell you to wash your hands again?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Maybe this is bad taste, but….in terms of the importance of “washing your hands,” should we be making Pontius Pilate the poster-boy for this alleged crisis?

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGW3bbcb3Y

    How to do it btw.

    , @Known Fact
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    How about Lady Macbeth (played by Hillary) ... or the prog-rock band UK for this album cover

    https://youtu.be/yEKARbhoRbk

  130. Why does the sign say leprechaun hannukah?

  131. @Lot
    https://images.vice.com/vice/images/articles/meta/2014/08/02/loyalists-against-democracy-are-leading-the-fight-against-dumb-northern-irish-politics-1413241792193.jpeg

    Replies: @Pheasant

    Nice.

    So you are a bigot too.

    We all know why.

  132. @Sean

    "The Irish should not strive officiously to stay alive," was the expression of English disdain to Irish endurance in the midst of the Great Famines of the 19th century. [...]

    Seventy years earlier than Bellow, Oscar Wilde could whisper a more theatric explanation. "Life is terribly deficient in form. Its catastrophes happen in the wrong way to the wrong people. There is a grotesque horror about its comedies, and its tragedies seem to culminate in farce." This is the characteristic, facile, off-putting "misery is power," Irish reply to life out of control.
     

    You've got to bring some to get some.

    DURING the Great Famine, relapsing fever was the prevalent disease among the general population, while the higher social classes tended to contract the more deadly typhus fever, especially those who were most exposed to infection, notably clergymen, doctors, members of relief committees and those connected with the administration of the poor law. The mortality rate from typhus was also more pronounced among the middle and upper classes than it was among the poor, who may have developed some immunity through long-term exposure
     
    An underrated group, The Herd.

    Out of the land of shadows and
    Darkness, we were returning
    Towards the morning light
    Almost in reach of places I knew

    So much I longed to say,
    But my touch found only the
    Empty air and a black nights
    Coldness.
    Into another world you entered
    And never again I can reclaim you.
     

    Replies: @dearieme

    My Irish grandfather was of the view that all Irish history is bollocks. He’d have loved the lie that is:
    “The Irish should not strive officiously to stay alive,” was the expression of English disdain to Irish endurance in the midst of the Great Famines of the 19th century.

    The original line was from the writings of Arthur Hugh Clough. WKPD: ‘The Latest Decalogue’s couplet on murder, “Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive officiously to keep alive”‘

    • Replies: @Sean
    @dearieme

    Let's concentrate on the post and the advice it is giving me before deciding if the Irish 'fook it' mode is less ill advised that the rationalism of lockdown and mass self isolation. First


    https://today.line.me/id/pc/article/China+coronavirus+Beijing+should+close+down+live+animal+food+markets+to+stop+similar+diseases+emerging+in+future-3WWDBP

    As Esquire magazine once noted: "Paul Ewald is a short-seller of global pandemics. He bets against them when panic reaches its peak - when natural precaution has turned to frenzy, and experts who should know better turn into shameless touts. He has short-sold Sars and bet against bird flu, and in both cases he was famously right."

    That article appeared in 2014, when there were concerns about a deadly Ebola pandemic. Ewald forecast then that the highly lethal Ebola virus would be contained, or would have to someday become a mild disease to survive in humans.
     

    In December, the Chinese announced there was a "pneumonia of unknown cause". The Chinese said on 7 Jan that they had identified it as a coronavirus, and it was not spreading between humans. Now, as Paul Ewald has expressed extreme concern about, they have imposed a news blackout on what Coronavirus is doing in Xinjiang,

    Novel coronavirus could become increasingly virulent in detention camps

    COVID-19 may evolve greater virulence by circulating in a population of people kept in close, unhygienic quarters, such as the estimated one million Uighur Muslims being held in detention camps in Xinjiang, north-west China.

    To understand how this would be possible, it’s helpful to look at how one instance of influenza — the 1918 flu pandemic — evolved its extreme level of virulence and was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.

    That strain of influenza, which is thought to have infected much of the world’s population at the time, had a mortality rate of at least 2.5% — significantly more than that of seasonal flu, which is about 0.1%. Yet a unique quality of 1918 flu was the circumstances in which it evolved. The close quarters of trench warfare and the transport of sick people, which allowed the virus to be readily transmissible from people who were immobilised by their illness, created the conditions under which the virus could become both highly contagious and unusually deadly.
     

    Is it a good idea to have people not exposed to coronavirus now? The virus in Italy (7% mortality) seems rather different than what it is in Germany (0.3% mortality). Could exposure to mild coronavirus protect against a possibly forthcoming virulent version that the Italian death rate is a harbinger of? That is what I am wondering out loud.

    Replies: @Jack D

  133. @JimB
    @Neoconned


    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol….which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer…???
     
    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @kaganovitch

    Grape juice sugar and yeast

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Pheasant


    Grape juice sugar and yeast
     
    yeast totally immune to the effects of alcohol.
  134. @Anon
    @Anno

    Why don't Breitbart, Daily Caller, Townhall and all those conservative media that insist on calling this "Chinese coronavirus" or "Wuhan virus" call the HIV "African virus", or the swine flu "Mexican virus"? No, they wouldn't dare. Double standard much?

    Replies: @anon, @dearieme, @Paco Wové

    Yeah, and the could call the Spanish Flu the American virus. Because WKPD: “There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated that the flu originated in Kansas, and popular author John Barry described Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin. It has also been stated that, by late 1917, there had already been a first wave of the epidemic in at least 14 US military camps.”

    There are plenty of other theories if you’d like one. The one truth universally agreed is that it didn’t come from Spain. I wonder how long it’ll be before the Wuhan flu is found to have started somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @dearieme

    The world of 2020 is very different from the world of 1918. The amount of data that is collected today is orders of magnitude greater than the level of data collection in 1918. All data points to this disease starting in Wuhan.

    I think the answer to your question is never because it in fact started in Wuhan, most likely in a "wet market". The Chinese taste for bat soup (combined with their dictatorial government that doesn't want to hear "bad news") is going to tank the world economy. The only silver lining would be if this disease takes Xi's dictatorship down with it.

  135. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    Be sure not to leave your wealth to young people. How about a donkey sanctuary? Pleasant creatures, donkeys.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @dearieme

    The Irish Donkey Sanctuary (an offshoot of the British Sanctuary) is a very well organized and run sanctuary for these often abused docile creatures. I wholeheartedly recommend it to UR visitors to County Cork!

    Replies: @dearieme

  136. @Anonymous
    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China! https://youtu.be/hZftihVyq9E

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @anon, @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

  137. @RichardTaylor
    So the UK is choosing not to wreck its economy. Meanwhile, we're going to spend billions and create a recession over what will be a few hundred deaths, compared to 35,000 for the regular flu.

    Replies: @Altai, @El Dato

    create a recession

    Like a lung full of tar, “recessions” are a product of taking easy but bad decisions for a long, long time.

  138. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @tyrone

    Maybe this is bad taste, but....in terms of the importance of "washing your hands," should we be making Pontius Pilate the poster-boy for this alleged crisis?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Known Fact

    How to do it btw.

  139. @JohnnyWalker123
    Did you notice that almost all those people are White?

    Don't worry though. The Trump administration is on top of it.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1238921166074466304

    Don't let the Socialists tell you otherwise.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1238860728565747714

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JimDandy, @The Alarmist, @Corvinus

    AOC is what we in the business call a Contrarian Indicator. If you are under 40 and healthy, keep the economy alive by getting out there and living it up. Gran and Gramps were getting to be a burden anyway. Now, more than ever, OK Boomer!

  140. @Polynikes
    @Mr McKenna

    Cases are rising because testing is way behind and catching up to infections. The US can test 17k a day. There’s probably tens of thousands infected. It’ll take weeks just to catch up.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Testing doesn’t stop the spread … it measures the spread after the fact.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @The Alarmist

    Right. Hence my point about infections being a lagging metric in comparison to deaths. The death rate will drop from 1% or wherever it’s at now.

  141. @dearieme
    @Sean

    My Irish grandfather was of the view that all Irish history is bollocks. He'd have loved the lie that is:
    “The Irish should not strive officiously to stay alive,” was the expression of English disdain to Irish endurance in the midst of the Great Famines of the 19th century.




    The original line was from the writings of Arthur Hugh Clough. WKPD: 'The Latest Decalogue's couplet on murder, "Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive officiously to keep alive"'

    Replies: @Sean

    Let’s concentrate on the post and the advice it is giving me before deciding if the Irish ‘fook it’ mode is less ill advised that the rationalism of lockdown and mass self isolation. First

    https://today.line.me/id/pc/article/China+coronavirus+Beijing+should+close+down+live+animal+food+markets+to+stop+similar+diseases+emerging+in+future-3WWDBP

    As Esquire magazine once noted: “Paul Ewald is a short-seller of global pandemics. He bets against them when panic reaches its peak – when natural precaution has turned to frenzy, and experts who should know better turn into shameless touts. He has short-sold Sars and bet against bird flu, and in both cases he was famously right.”

    That article appeared in 2014, when there were concerns about a deadly Ebola pandemic. Ewald forecast then that the highly lethal Ebola virus would be contained, or would have to someday become a mild disease to survive in humans.

    In December, the Chinese announced there was a “pneumonia of unknown cause”. The Chinese said on 7 Jan that they had identified it as a coronavirus, and it was not spreading between humans. Now, as Paul Ewald has expressed extreme concern about, they have imposed a news blackout on what Coronavirus is doing in Xinjiang,

    Novel coronavirus could become increasingly virulent in detention camps

    COVID-19 may evolve greater virulence by circulating in a population of people kept in close, unhygienic quarters, such as the estimated one million Uighur Muslims being held in detention camps in Xinjiang, north-west China.

    To understand how this would be possible, it’s helpful to look at how one instance of influenza — the 1918 flu pandemic — evolved its extreme level of virulence and was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.

    That strain of influenza, which is thought to have infected much of the world’s population at the time, had a mortality rate of at least 2.5% — significantly more than that of seasonal flu, which is about 0.1%. Yet a unique quality of 1918 flu was the circumstances in which it evolved. The close quarters of trench warfare and the transport of sick people, which allowed the virus to be readily transmissible from people who were immobilised by their illness, created the conditions under which the virus could become both highly contagious and unusually deadly.

    Is it a good idea to have people not exposed to coronavirus now? The virus in Italy (7% mortality) seems rather different than what it is in Germany (0.3% mortality). Could exposure to mild coronavirus protect against a possibly forthcoming virulent version that the Italian death rate is a harbinger of? That is what I am wondering out loud.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Sean

    While it is possible (even likely) that there is more than one strain of this virus and that different strains have different mortality associated with them, it is highly unlikely that the true mortality is EITHER 7% or .3%. Probably (especially the 7%) these are data artifacts resulting from lack of testing in the base population (you count only people who are already gravely ill as having coronavirus) , being at different stages of the epidemic, etc. When this all shakes out, it's highly unlikely that the mortality rate in Italy will be 21x higher than it is in Germany.

    Replies: @Sean

  142. @Daniel Williams
    @anonguy


    Steve is front running my comments, holding them, writing a column, then publishing belatedly, which is why i stopped contributing here years ago.
     
    Has he also been rearranging the furniture in your apartment when you’re not around? And writing the scripts to Hollywood blockbusters that you thought up years ago?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Like Savoir Faire, Steve Sailer is Everywhere…

    • LOL: hhsiii
  143. ‘Just drove through Wrigleyville. Every bar on Clark Street has a long line of people ingreen regalia waiting to get drunk and spread a virus.’

    Good. Everyone finally gets exposed — which they will anyway — and then this is over.

    No one believes this anyway. The media likes to whip up a good story, and politicians have to virtue signal — but it’s a lot of crap.

    It’s just a pity we have to shit-can the world’s economy while we play ‘let’s pretend.’

  144. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    “other than incur the direct costs of raising them?”

    Ever hear of the national debt, now in the hundreds of trillions? The old borrowed the money and now want the youth to pay it back.

    “Oh, and pay school taxes,”
    Search on unfunded pension liabilities. The k-12 system was funded with either with actual bonds or by promising benefits that were not reserved for. So in short, the youth is now paying for their k-12 education and probably their parents k-12 education and possibly their grand parents k-12 education.

    “support higher education,”
    Bogus degrees and student debt. Why can’t the youth declare bankruptcy to get out of onerous student debt? Joe Biden made that impossible. prek-k-12+Higher education has become a means to supply educrats and support staff with pensions.

    “build infrastructure”
    I haven’t seen major infrastructure projects, outside of IT, in maybe half a century. It is also important to note that if a highway was built with long term debt, it is the current youth that are paying for it through the debt payments while the oldsters get relatively lavish pensions and benefits for having built it.

    “, improve the environment, etc.”
    You mean demolishing the dams that were built? Etc? Where is the national health insurance or some form of functioning market based system.

    “I pay my taxes”
    So why did the national debt balloon if you paid for everything upfront?

    Oldsters have greatly benefited from the current system. The downside to the policy is a lack of hospital beds (meaning staff and equipment) and especially ICUs. It seems impossible that Italy can’t cope with 20,000 extra patients but the problem seems to be ICU staffed equipped beds.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @George

    The national debt may have ballooned because of the folks who got free stuff but didn’t pay any taxes. On the top and the bottom.

    Replies: @George

  145. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dennis Dale
    @anon

    I'm welcoming the cancellation of any and all aspects of globo homo culture. Sportsball is a a biggie. Watching Charlie et al squeal is MY March Madness. The opiates of the masses are rotting in the fields!

    Replies: @Hemid, @Anon

    I couldn’t agree more! Kirk is correct that the NCAA has become inept, but not for the reasons that he stated. Good riddance to college basketball — it’s nothing more than negro daycare and serves no legitimate purpose in the educational sphere.

    Furthermore, Kirk is a shill to Israel and blatantly supports Globohomo. So much for “Cultural Wars”, right?

  146. @CCZ
    @Neoconned

    The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.

    The 7th Military World Games was the first international military multi-sport event to be held in China and also it was the largest military sports event ever to be held in China, with nearly 10,000 athletes from over 100 countries competing in 27 sports.

    List of participating nations: 9,308 athletes from 110 countries participated in the games, 172 from the United States. [Wiki]

    Announced in November of 2017:

    "China will host the 7th Military World Games - the Olympics for military personnel - in Wuhan, Hubei province, from Oct 18 to 27, 2019, the Defense Ministry said on Friday."

    "More than 8,000 military athletes from more than 100 countries will participate in 27 major sporting events, said ministry spokesman Senior Colonel Wu Qian."

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-11/25/content_34967986.htm

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Steve from Detroit

    Thanks.

  147. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    “When my kids were young I coached sports teams. … Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school.”

    Mother Theresa, is that you? How could you sacrifice so much for us? How could these youngsters not realize you changed their life, and lowered their rent?

  148. @Clifford brown
    This is what is known in Apocalypse Response Planning circles as The Winchester Strategy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJzHSxRq40

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks! Just put on hold. Are those not the same couple of guys from World’s End?

  149. @Lugash
    Maybe to nudge behavior we could get Apple, Microsoft and Samsung to send out notifications to people who are out in large crowds when they don't need to be. It would be creepy, but effective. Or we could show positive messages for people who stayed isolated "You've reduced your outside trips 45% compared to last week".

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Whaaa? Are you sure you’re Lugash?

  150. @Altai
    @RichardTaylor

    Why do people have such a hard time understanding this infects far more people far faster and is orders of magnitude more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    A real recession occurs when something has fundamentally changed in an economy not because production has artificially when lowered for a relatively short period. If this has the effect off bursting the 'everything' bubble, better sooner than later.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Neoconned, @ken

    Or as Zero Hedge put it “the Great Re-set….”

    They say consumption is 70% of the economy…theyre closing Walmart in my area….that only happens during literally Christmas Day and hurricanes….

    Im beginning to think this will be worse economically than its being predicted…

    I dunno i lived thru Katrina & i recall it like a slow moving train wreck.

  151. @Anonymous
    Wow, this is huge! A top-raking Chinese government official just accused the U.S of having unleashed this virus on China! https://youtu.be/hZftihVyq9E

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @anon, @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    And Ron Unz is jumping up and down like a little kid on Christmas morning.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The fact of the matter is that we know it originated in China. How and why is a matter of speculation. Unz and Sailer in particular could come out and say directly that the conspiracies are fodder for clickbait. But why would they be honest about it?

    But it’s just easier to play the blame game You’re really good at that yourself.

  152. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Ali Choudhury


    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.
     
    It's a horrible thought. But it's possible. Inter-generational hatreds are getting out of control. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there rejoicing at the idea of the hated Boomers getting coronavirus.

    We live in a culture that seems to be based more and more on hatred.

    Is it possible there are people in government who think this way? Is it possible that there are SJWs and globalist zealots in government who wouldn't be too upset if non-PC old people would just hurry up and die so the SJW/globalist project can run unimpeded? I'd hate to think so. Even I'm not that cynical and pessimistic. And yet...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Neoconned

    Hate can be interpersonal hate or ideological hate.

    But look, as Socrates would say, at the usefulness of the epidemic. One possibility, older people dying breaks the chain of transmission of a culture, perhaps the Christian culture. You are left with mass media and the public schools to instil values or the lack thereof. Second, what policies could now be promoted? Love of country and neighbor, or the need for authoritarian government? On a world scale? It doesn’t help that the authoritarian Asian countries seem to have responded much, much better than Europe.

    I heard a new word two days ago: deglobalization.

  153. @dearieme
    @FPD72

    Be sure not to leave your wealth to young people. How about a donkey sanctuary? Pleasant creatures, donkeys.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    The Irish Donkey Sanctuary (an offshoot of the British Sanctuary) is a very well organized and run sanctuary for these often abused docile creatures. I wholeheartedly recommend it to UR visitors to County Cork!

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Dan Hayes

    Excellent news, Dan. How do Americans cope with the fact that in the rest of the English-speaking world "ass" is another word for donkey?

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat

  154. @Jack Armstrong

    Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”
     
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    Replies: @donut, @SFG, @Neuday, @Realist, @anon

    But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.”

    They didn’t have video games, porn, and #MeToo.

  155. @dfordoom
    @Ali Choudhury


    Are they doing this because they actually want to see the early deaths of the elderly and unwell? There seems to be a growing generational war between those under 35 (heavily in favour of Sanders) and the older boomers they blame for not having a good job/relationship/house/health insurance while owing lots of debt.
     
    It's a horrible thought. But it's possible. Inter-generational hatreds are getting out of control. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there rejoicing at the idea of the hated Boomers getting coronavirus.

    We live in a culture that seems to be based more and more on hatred.

    Is it possible there are people in government who think this way? Is it possible that there are SJWs and globalist zealots in government who wouldn't be too upset if non-PC old people would just hurry up and die so the SJW/globalist project can run unimpeded? I'd hate to think so. Even I'm not that cynical and pessimistic. And yet...

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Neoconned

    Bet your ass the govt wants to thin the herd…

    https://mainepolicy.org/the-fiscal-costs-of-maines-demographic-winter/

    I have no idea how accurate tge above is but it says those 65 & up have a 2/3 drop in taxes of “paying into the system” and those 65 and over cost tge govt per the above 3x more than a person under 18…even w educational costs counted in….

    A coworker of mine is 61 and clearly needs SSI….she did her disability claim & was denied….to quote her “they keep raising the retirement age hoping we’ll die before they have to pay us….”

  156. @Anon
    @Anno

    Why don't Breitbart, Daily Caller, Townhall and all those conservative media that insist on calling this "Chinese coronavirus" or "Wuhan virus" call the HIV "African virus", or the swine flu "Mexican virus"? No, they wouldn't dare. Double standard much?

    Replies: @anon, @dearieme, @Paco Wové

    I like “SLEYCOVIRUS”, or “Slanty-eyed contagion virus”, best. Or just “slyco!”.

  157. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    While I agree the overreaction is ridiculous, let’s remember that for a homosexual like Kirk, watching sweating black man bump into each other for 2 weeks in HD is like finding the pot of gold at the end of the homo rainbow.

  158. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    Can you take the Hart-Cellar Act and the 14th Amendment with you when you go?

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Neuday

    Hart-Cellar was passed in 1965, when the very oldest boomers were 19, several years before the voting age was lowered from 21. The abuse of the 14th Amendment seems to have no generational boundaries, although I would note that Judge Thomas is a boomer.

    I’ve always thought that inter-generational hatred was stupid. I thought so in the 60s when told not to trust anybody over 30 and the same now when millennials are accused of being slackers. I find boomer hatred on this board, where Trump support seems to be higher than in the general population, to be somewhat incongruous since boomers voted for Trump more than any other age group. But then, just like with generations, aggregates are not to be confused with individual traits. The commenters on this board are not monolithic in age or in perspectives.

    To think poorly or wish ill for other people because of the year of their birth is a poor way to go through life.

    , @hhsiii
    @Neuday

    This is dumb. Like the current gen doesn’t completely support this? And the 14th amendment was in 1868. Are you trolling or do you blame boomers for the 14th amendment? Oh well, I was taking the piss but now I’m not really sure wtf is the point of these posts. Take care.

    Replies: @Neuday

  159. britishbrainsize [AKA "eastkekestaniisawhiteguy"] says:
    @Mr McKenna
    What color matches should you use if you live in a blue state, which used to be a red state? What about if you're Irish? I'm sorry, but the rules are just so complex.

    Associated Press:
    Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157

    Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in number of infected cases of COVID-19.

    National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before.

    The death toll rose by 175.

    A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north.

    They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares
     

    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America's reigning ethos of "Whatever whatever, I do what I want" might present some difficulty.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Polynikes, @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @anon, @britishbrainsize

    BRITISHBRAINSIZE1325cc.

  160. @Dan Hayes
    @dearieme

    The Irish Donkey Sanctuary (an offshoot of the British Sanctuary) is a very well organized and run sanctuary for these often abused docile creatures. I wholeheartedly recommend it to UR visitors to County Cork!

    Replies: @dearieme

    Excellent news, Dan. How do Americans cope with the fact that in the rest of the English-speaking world “ass” is another word for donkey?

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    @dearieme

    The meaning is generally clear from the context, you tea-guzzling foghuffer.

  161. @Jack Armstrong

    Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”
     
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    Replies: @donut, @SFG, @Neuday, @Realist, @anon

    But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.”

    Maybe if you indoctrinated girls to grow into man-hating career-loving self-obsessed chubbos.

  162. britishbrainsize [AKA "eastkekestaniisawhiteguy"] says:
    @Anno
    In the long run it may help to have huge die-offs in a few large cities with large Irish populations. That will finally bring some sense to the matter. It may be the Wuhan virus's Philadelphia/St. Louis moment.

    By the way, I have come to believe that using Wuhan virus is what we should be doing, and it's not a casual racist troll. Coronavirus is not long for this world, as a clear term, since we are now on our third or fourth new coronavirus, and after a couple more things will get confusing. The boffins have come with three, count 'em, names, none of which is memorable or rolls off the tongue: COVID-19, HCoV-19, and now SARS-CoV-2. The last two names are apparently algorithmic, in that they are generated based on analysis of characteristics of the virus combined with a date or serial number, so this may not be the end as research continues. Wuhan virus is the only one that's not confusing.

    I suppose they could go hurricane and name new horrible diseases after white, male, northern European given names. Just have a list of them cued up to choose from when a new disease comes out.

    -----

    Japan just passed an emergency powers bill, very strong, and the prime minister gave a speech and did a long press conference about it last night on live prime time television. He said if he used it he will do another speech to explain to the country why. I got the feeling he was teeing up some big measures and was getting people ready for them.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anon, @eddy wobegon, @britishbrainsize

    You have to name these viruses like it was done for H1n1 , does anyone even know it is the MEXICAN swine flu, the people in charge who evil the white man is see the racism on the chinese around the world because of this if it was named W—-n this name will never die out like yellow belly ETC . WHITES ARE EVIL BASTARDS this is why only white or latinos or black american die from aids it is punishment from above to you

  163. britishbrainsize [AKA "eastkekestaniisawhiteguy"] says:
    @Bubba
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That has to be the best way to spread the Wu-flu throughout the U.S. quickly.

    Replies: @britishbrainsize

    BRITISHBRAINSIZW1325cc
    only WHITES and latinos and aframs with spanish and british genes die from aids , let that sink in he he .Would you like your corona chilled

  164. @eddy wobegon
    @Anonymous

    "literally robbed us" -- I don't think you know what the word "literally" means. Try "figuratively robbed us" instead.

    "No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person"

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Achmed E. Newman

    “No man stands so tall as when they help a stupid person”

    How did he turn into two men just by helping a stupid person? That’s the part I don’t get.

    I appreciate your trying to help put the kibosh on this “literally” crap, Eddy. It literally irks the shit out of me. I gotta go stock up on toilet paper .. for my bunghole.

  165. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Not our fault you're so old, senile and decrepit and can't handle a dry cough and mild fever.

    Sorry, snowflake. Not everyone melts at precisely 33 degrees.


    But I forgot, boomers always "stayed away" from having fun when their elders told them to it wasn't good for society.

    Just kidding, boomers ALWAYS did whatever the hell they wanted, damn their elders.

    Leave us alone. Steve wasn't going to go out and get laid on a St. Patrick's day pub crawl so it's easy for him to tell people at zero risk to suffer for his benefit.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Anon, @sayless

    Lol you don’t have any idea how old I am or my voting record or health. Good luck.

    And I think Steve is just offering some advice. Don’t feel constrained to accept it. Thanks for keeping the economy going.

  166. @Steve Sailer
    @LondonBob

    The death rate was about twice as high in Philadelphia (which held a huge parade) in late 1918 as in St. Louis (which locked down).

    Replies: @LondonBob, @The Alarmist

    That was the first wave, the Spanish flu hit again, St Louis was hit harder than the more immune Philadelphia.

    • Replies: @res
    @LondonBob

    Do you have the data at hand? How did the total death rates compare?

  167. It’s incredibly interesting to be getting so much advice on how to avoid Covid-19 from a bunch of boomers who don’t even wash their hands after they take a shit.

  168. @Polynikes
    I assume Mr. Sailer will be forgoing his spring donation drive in solidarity with all those who suffer economically from this global shutdown?


    Everyone must sacrifice, after all.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Jack D

    You first. Asking other to make sacrifices while making none of your own is straight out of the Leftist playbook. Even if you have personally renounced all worldly goods and taken a vow of poverty, it’s not your place to demand this of others.

    I’m afraid that even if he keeps his fund drives (which he should), he is going to feel the pinch anyway – in times of austerity and uncertainty, people decrease their giving. So don’t worry your pretty little head – Steve will be sharing the pain.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Jack D

    You completely missed the point. Steve is promoting much of the hysteria here and calling for the shut down of everything. I am not.


    (Fwiw, I will keep donating to Steve regularly, because I enjoy his content—disagreement about this issue aside).

  169. @Sean
    @dearieme

    Let's concentrate on the post and the advice it is giving me before deciding if the Irish 'fook it' mode is less ill advised that the rationalism of lockdown and mass self isolation. First


    https://today.line.me/id/pc/article/China+coronavirus+Beijing+should+close+down+live+animal+food+markets+to+stop+similar+diseases+emerging+in+future-3WWDBP

    As Esquire magazine once noted: "Paul Ewald is a short-seller of global pandemics. He bets against them when panic reaches its peak - when natural precaution has turned to frenzy, and experts who should know better turn into shameless touts. He has short-sold Sars and bet against bird flu, and in both cases he was famously right."

    That article appeared in 2014, when there were concerns about a deadly Ebola pandemic. Ewald forecast then that the highly lethal Ebola virus would be contained, or would have to someday become a mild disease to survive in humans.
     

    In December, the Chinese announced there was a "pneumonia of unknown cause". The Chinese said on 7 Jan that they had identified it as a coronavirus, and it was not spreading between humans. Now, as Paul Ewald has expressed extreme concern about, they have imposed a news blackout on what Coronavirus is doing in Xinjiang,

    Novel coronavirus could become increasingly virulent in detention camps

    COVID-19 may evolve greater virulence by circulating in a population of people kept in close, unhygienic quarters, such as the estimated one million Uighur Muslims being held in detention camps in Xinjiang, north-west China.

    To understand how this would be possible, it’s helpful to look at how one instance of influenza — the 1918 flu pandemic — evolved its extreme level of virulence and was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.

    That strain of influenza, which is thought to have infected much of the world’s population at the time, had a mortality rate of at least 2.5% — significantly more than that of seasonal flu, which is about 0.1%. Yet a unique quality of 1918 flu was the circumstances in which it evolved. The close quarters of trench warfare and the transport of sick people, which allowed the virus to be readily transmissible from people who were immobilised by their illness, created the conditions under which the virus could become both highly contagious and unusually deadly.
     

    Is it a good idea to have people not exposed to coronavirus now? The virus in Italy (7% mortality) seems rather different than what it is in Germany (0.3% mortality). Could exposure to mild coronavirus protect against a possibly forthcoming virulent version that the Italian death rate is a harbinger of? That is what I am wondering out loud.

    Replies: @Jack D

    While it is possible (even likely) that there is more than one strain of this virus and that different strains have different mortality associated with them, it is highly unlikely that the true mortality is EITHER 7% or .3%. Probably (especially the 7%) these are data artifacts resulting from lack of testing in the base population (you count only people who are already gravely ill as having coronavirus) , being at different stages of the epidemic, etc. When this all shakes out, it’s highly unlikely that the mortality rate in Italy will be 21x higher than it is in Germany.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Jack D

    Italy has recorded 368 new coronavirus deaths in 24 hours making a total of 1,809 people

    The Chinese reported 8% mortality in those over those infected who were 70-79 years old and the median age of Italy's coronavirus victims is 82 years old.

    In Germany there have been 11 deaths in TOTAL despite over 5000 confirmed cases. This isn't being reported but the population of Germany is older than that of Italy.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2805838/
    Origins of the Spanish Influenza pandemic (1918–1920) and its relation to the First World War

    The first wave of the epidemic in the spring of 1918 was a seasonal and benign influenza epidemic, similar to those which occur almost every year and caused little mortality. If there had only been this one epidemic wave, it would not have been of much historical interest and would not have motivated so much investigation. The main conclusion of the present research into the origins and beginning of the Spanish Influenza pandemic is that it appears to be inextricably linked to the soldiers who fought during the First World War. The millions of young men in army barracks, military camps and trenches constituted the vulnerable substrate on which the influenza virus developed, became extremely virulent and spread worldwide in October and November (1918).
     

    There is potential for a far more virulent strain of coronavirus to appear, and the millions Uighurs that the Chinese state have in concentration camps in Xinjiang make it far from unlikely that that is going to happen in the opinion of Professor Ewald.

    https://theconversation.com/uighur-muslims-novel-coronavirus-could-become-increasingly-virulent-in-detention-camps-131807

    On January 27, 2020, it was reported that at least 24 people in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) had contracted COVID-19, with more than 1,200 people placed under medical observation. These camps may, like the western front or crowded poultry farms, create the conditions for the virus that causes COVID-19 to evolve into an especially deadly form.

    Unlike what we’re seeing with COVID-19 now, where people must be more or less mobile to infect others, in a detention camp this constraint on the virus disappears. There it can evolve high specialisation and virulence in the species it’s infecting – in this case, people.

    If the Chinese government cannot or does not curb the transmission of the novel coronavirus in Xinjiang, it’s possible that it will evolve, as the influenza virus did in 1918, to become even more dangerous to humans.
     

    So bearing in mind that being infected and recovering may confer some protection against later wave infection that might be coming, is it a good idea for everyone to avoid infection now?

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5e6ac7ff230000121e3a32ad.gif?ops=scalefit_630_noupscale

    Steve and almost everyone else seems to think so. But what if what Ewald is raising concerns about transpires.

  170. @FPD72
    @George

    Yeah, what did boomers ever do for the younger generations, other than incur the direct costs of raising them? Oh, and pay school taxes, support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment, etc. When my kids were young I coached sports teams. My wife home schooled through 8th grade and served on the board of the state home-school coalition. Our city’s home school organization was founded in our home. We supported them in their athletic and academic competition in high school. We got them through college with no debt.

    What do I owe younger people today? I pay my taxes, give voluntarily to support medical research and higher education, set aside funds for my grandkids, obey the law, and serve on the board of my HOA, where few residents are boomers.

    Sure, go out, get exposed, and help speed along the passing of us old geezers. We don’t deserve to live.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dearieme, @George, @Anon, @Neuday, @Pilgrim

    support higher education, build infrastructure, improve the environment

    Alzheimer’s is so sad. I hope you get the help you need, boomer.

  171. @Pheasant
    @JimB

    Grape juice sugar and yeast

    Replies: @JimB

    Grape juice sugar and yeast

    yeast totally immune to the effects of alcohol.

  172. @dearieme
    @Anon

    Yeah, and the could call the Spanish Flu the American virus. Because WKPD: "There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated that the flu originated in Kansas, and popular author John Barry described Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin. It has also been stated that, by late 1917, there had already been a first wave of the epidemic in at least 14 US military camps."

    There are plenty of other theories if you'd like one. The one truth universally agreed is that it didn't come from Spain. I wonder how long it'll be before the Wuhan flu is found to have started somewhere else.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The world of 2020 is very different from the world of 1918. The amount of data that is collected today is orders of magnitude greater than the level of data collection in 1918. All data points to this disease starting in Wuhan.

    I think the answer to your question is never because it in fact started in Wuhan, most likely in a “wet market”. The Chinese taste for bat soup (combined with their dictatorial government that doesn’t want to hear “bad news”) is going to tank the world economy. The only silver lining would be if this disease takes Xi’s dictatorship down with it.

  173. @RichardTaylor
    @eddy wobegon

    To rob: take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.

    I'd say what Boomers did, and the "Greatest Generation" did, comes pretty close to that definition. The whole point of the country was to be set things up for "Ourselves and OUR posterity".

    But the "Greatest Generation" and the Boomers sold that out. The GG, those now dead grandpaws, used to say they had fought a war for fat benefits! Some didn't like mass 3rd world immigration but they kept their pie holes shut in public. Didn't want to cause trouble. But oh man, if you didn't raise social security benefits those warriors would take to the street! LOL

    They bankrupted a country and forever destroyed its demographics. Hell, I'd rather be robbed!

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Ha, but it doesn’t seem like the solutions being offered by the most popular choice of the younger generation would solve these problems in the slightest. Quite the reverse.

    I really don’t think much about generations. I’m kinda on the cusp. I have 3 kids in public school in nyc. Half my daughter’s class was out Friday. Not sure if it makes sense but I’m pulling them out this week.

    My office just sent around an alert that a second person tested positive. Two floors away from me but hey same elevators, plus we hand scan to get in.

  174. @JohnnyWalker123
    Did you notice that almost all those people are White?

    Don't worry though. The Trump administration is on top of it.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1238921166074466304

    Don't let the Socialists tell you otherwise.

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1238860728565747714

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JimDandy, @The Alarmist, @Corvinus

    Trump is NOT on top of matters. He refused to get tested, then got tested. He threatens his top health officials into promoting a narrative that it’s not as bad as it seems. Trump insists that people buy stocks and that economy will bounce back quickly.

    And Me. Sailer remains mum on NOTICING Trump’s missteps.

    Thankfully the medical community is doing what they need to do despite Trump’s lack of leadership. AOC is right, as evident by the Chinese and French lockdowns.

    Meanwhile the clown governor of Oklahoma took his family to a crowded restaurant despite medical experts warnings. Real smart.

  175. @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    It’s reassuring to turn on WFAN sportsradio and hear that whether to senior eligibility is the most crucial question facing our troubled nation

  176. Anon[351] • Disclaimer says:

    So what’s the problem? People aren’t allowed to go out and have a little fun because 1000 people died in the world? The whole world has to come to an orchestrated, screeching halt like never before in history?

    Pish-tosh! The soul cannot be harmed by disease you ninnies.

    People like OP are the problem, with their nasty condescending attitudes towards their fellow human beings. One UN economist has estimated that over 1.5 TRILLION dollars of productivity are lost every year due to people being insufferable cunts for literally NO REASON!

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon


    The soul cannot be harmed by disease you ninnies.
     
    But the body can. Maybe certain people or religions care only about your soul. Materialists care only about bodies (especially "black bodies" - BTW, where are the "world ends due to coronavirus - women and minorities hit hardest stories?). But true humanists want to keep body and soul together for as long as possible.
  177. @danand
    https://flic.kr/p/2iEq3me

    In the event you want to track one of the “hotspots”, silicon valley. A little surprised at the high percentage hospitalized.

    I know it was ranges as somewhere between not too smart thru very dumb - potentially deadly, but I ate lunch today at the Cheesecake Factory, Westfield Valley Fair Shopping Center. The host informed me that as per new Santa Clara County directive seating was limited/space separated, and indeed it was. The normally packed bar area was limited down to roughly a dozen people.

    https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/home.aspx

    Replies: @res

    In the event you want to track one of the “hotspots”, silicon valley. A little surprised at the high percentage hospitalized.

    Given the lack of testing there is probably a significant undercount of cases.

  178. @MBlanc46
    St Pat’s Day is amateur hour. Wouldn’t go out drinking on a dare.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rapparee

    St Pat’s and its vomitous December eqivalent, the Santa-costume pub crawl

  179. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @tyrone

    Maybe this is bad taste, but....in terms of the importance of "washing your hands," should we be making Pontius Pilate the poster-boy for this alleged crisis?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Known Fact

    How about Lady Macbeth (played by Hillary) … or the prog-rock band UK for this album cover

  180. I can’t believe Benjamin Kerr did that analysis without explicitly taking the per capita effects into account. Especially since his match analogy picture makes the issue obvious. In his simulations how many high and low risk individuals were there?

    His advice reeks of “others need to sacrifice.” Which is an incredibly annoying feature of political discourse today.

    When it comes to requesting/requiring people make sacrifices for the greater good here are some things I think are relevant.

    – Who has incentive to make the sacrifice? Obviously high risk individuals have the most to gain personally from isolating themselves.
    – Who gives the greatest group benefit for a given personal sacrifice? Again, I think that is high risk individuals. (this would be the per capita version of Kerr’s analysis)
    – Who benefits most from the sacrifices of others? Again, that would be high risk individuals.

    I think the drunken celebrations are ill advised, but is that the most serious issue to address? I am more concerned with the ski trips I am hearing about. Being out on the slopes might very well be fine, but the apres-ski scene sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Especially given the low temperatures (therefore specific humidity) typically involved. Another possible issue is the altitude. That also reduces specific humidity (lower pressure).

  181. @JUSA
    Stupid people who insist on being out and about are putting vulnerable people in danger. In King County, WA, the disease has been found to progress at a stunningly fast rate in some patients. At the Life Care Center in Kirkland where the outbreak originated, a resident went from being totally fine, to having flu like symptoms to being on her death bed within one hour. A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Anon

    Sounds like the 19818 Spanish Flu. Husband and kids leave in the morning. Kids come home for lunch, find Mom dead.

  182. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    I will continue to go out to public places because Boomers (along with their health) are not my problem. It's similar to how Boomers do not care that their policies have basically wrecked the material well-being of younger generations.

    I care as much about Cov19's impact on the 60+ crowd, as much as they care about the impact of the national debt or medicare part d on future generations -- i.e., zero.

    Cheers!

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon, @AnotherDad

    Good luck with that. I’m self-quarantining.

    You’ll have to pry my shuffleboard cue from my cold dead fingers.

  183. @Anon
    So what's the problem? People aren't allowed to go out and have a little fun because 1000 people died in the world? The whole world has to come to an orchestrated, screeching halt like never before in history?

    Pish-tosh! The soul cannot be harmed by disease you ninnies.

    People like OP are the problem, with their nasty condescending attitudes towards their fellow human beings. One UN economist has estimated that over 1.5 TRILLION dollars of productivity are lost every year due to people being insufferable cunts for literally NO REASON!

    Replies: @Jack D

    The soul cannot be harmed by disease you ninnies.

    But the body can. Maybe certain people or religions care only about your soul. Materialists care only about bodies (especially “black bodies” – BTW, where are the “world ends due to coronavirus – women and minorities hit hardest stories?). But true humanists want to keep body and soul together for as long as possible.

  184. @LondonBob
    @Steve Sailer

    That was the first wave, the Spanish flu hit again, St Louis was hit harder than the more immune Philadelphia.

    Replies: @res

    Do you have the data at hand? How did the total death rates compare?

  185. @Daniel Williams
    @JUSA


    A 60 year old woman who was a legal assistant for the Bellevue law firm Davis, Wright and Tremaine left work early with flu like symptoms on Tuesday, worked remotely from her home Wednesday and was found dead in her home on Thursday morning.
     
    Compare to Claire Marin (43) of Omaha, Nebraska: she mailed copies of this letter to five people and days later her husband came home with news of a BIG promotion.

    Replies: @Steve from Detroit

    Thank you for this. I heartily laughed out loud after reading this, and that very rarely happens.

    You just made my day.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Steve from Detroit

    Ha ha! Thanks!

  186. @dearieme
    @Dan Hayes

    Excellent news, Dan. How do Americans cope with the fact that in the rest of the English-speaking world "ass" is another word for donkey?

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat

    The meaning is generally clear from the context, you tea-guzzling foghuffer.

  187. @Altai
    @RichardTaylor

    Why do people have such a hard time understanding this infects far more people far faster and is orders of magnitude more deadly than the seasonal flu?

    A real recession occurs when something has fundamentally changed in an economy not because production has artificially when lowered for a relatively short period. If this has the effect off bursting the 'everything' bubble, better sooner than later.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Neoconned, @ken

    We don’t quarantine for the flu because of the speed of its spread, so how is quarantine going to be effective against a virus that is faster?

  188. @Neuday
    @FPD72

    Can you take the Hart-Cellar Act and the 14th Amendment with you when you go?

    Replies: @FPD72, @hhsiii

    Hart-Cellar was passed in 1965, when the very oldest boomers were 19, several years before the voting age was lowered from 21. The abuse of the 14th Amendment seems to have no generational boundaries, although I would note that Judge Thomas is a boomer.

    I’ve always thought that inter-generational hatred was stupid. I thought so in the 60s when told not to trust anybody over 30 and the same now when millennials are accused of being slackers. I find boomer hatred on this board, where Trump support seems to be higher than in the general population, to be somewhat incongruous since boomers voted for Trump more than any other age group. But then, just like with generations, aggregates are not to be confused with individual traits. The commenters on this board are not monolithic in age or in perspectives.

    To think poorly or wish ill for other people because of the year of their birth is a poor way to go through life.

    • Agree: Hhsiii
  189. @CCZ
    @Neoconned

    The 2019 Military World Games, officially known as the 7th CISM Military World Games and commonly known as Wuhan 2019, was held from October 18–27, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei, China.

    The 7th Military World Games was the first international military multi-sport event to be held in China and also it was the largest military sports event ever to be held in China, with nearly 10,000 athletes from over 100 countries competing in 27 sports.

    List of participating nations: 9,308 athletes from 110 countries participated in the games, 172 from the United States. [Wiki]

    Announced in November of 2017:

    "China will host the 7th Military World Games - the Olympics for military personnel - in Wuhan, Hubei province, from Oct 18 to 27, 2019, the Defense Ministry said on Friday."

    "More than 8,000 military athletes from more than 100 countries will participate in 27 major sporting events, said ministry spokesman Senior Colonel Wu Qian."

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-11/25/content_34967986.htm

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Steve from Detroit

    This is a prime example of why I benefit from reading this blog. I like to think I am fairly well read regarding the news, but this is the first time I’ve seen this. You’d think this would be of interest to people wanting to examine what is occurring, rather than endlessly repeating doomsday statistics.

    Also, this:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/28/800442646/acclaimed-harvard-scientist-is-arrested-accused-of-lying-about-ties-to-china

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Steve from Detroit

    Similarly, in Canada:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

    A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach." Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5, CBC News has learned.

    A Level 4 virology facility is a lab equipped to work with the most serious and deadly human and animal diseases. That makes the Arlington Street lab one of only a handful in North America capable of handling pathogens requiring the highest level of containment, such as Ebola.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/national-microbiology-lab-scientist-investigation-china-1.5307424

    A Canadian government scientist at the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China's newly certified Level 4 lab, which does research with the most deadly pathogens, according to travel documents obtained by CBC News.

    Xiangguo Qiu — who was escorted out of the Winnipeg lab in July amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described by Public Health Agency of Canada as a possible "policy breach" — was invited to go to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time.

  190. @George
    @FPD72

    "other than incur the direct costs of raising them?"

    Ever hear of the national debt, now in the hundreds of trillions? The old borrowed the money and now want the youth to pay it back.

    "Oh, and pay school taxes,"
    Search on unfunded pension liabilities. The k-12 system was funded with either with actual bonds or by promising benefits that were not reserved for. So in short, the youth is now paying for their k-12 education and probably their parents k-12 education and possibly their grand parents k-12 education.

    "support higher education,"
    Bogus degrees and student debt. Why can't the youth declare bankruptcy to get out of onerous student debt? Joe Biden made that impossible. prek-k-12+Higher education has become a means to supply educrats and support staff with pensions.

    "build infrastructure"
    I haven't seen major infrastructure projects, outside of IT, in maybe half a century. It is also important to note that if a highway was built with long term debt, it is the current youth that are paying for it through the debt payments while the oldsters get relatively lavish pensions and benefits for having built it.

    ", improve the environment, etc."
    You mean demolishing the dams that were built? Etc? Where is the national health insurance or some form of functioning market based system.

    "I pay my taxes"
    So why did the national debt balloon if you paid for everything upfront?

    Oldsters have greatly benefited from the current system. The downside to the policy is a lack of hospital beds (meaning staff and equipment) and especially ICUs. It seems impossible that Italy can't cope with 20,000 extra patients but the problem seems to be ICU staffed equipped beds.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    The national debt may have ballooned because of the folks who got free stuff but didn’t pay any taxes. On the top and the bottom.

    • Replies: @George
    @Hhsiii

    "On the top and the bottom."

    OK, but I am talking about what the young owe the old, which I claim is nothing. I am not saying the if you are young you should not support your elders, just that it is not an obligation in our current situation.

  191. @Hhsiii
    @George

    The national debt may have ballooned because of the folks who got free stuff but didn’t pay any taxes. On the top and the bottom.

    Replies: @George

    “On the top and the bottom.”

    OK, but I am talking about what the young owe the old, which I claim is nothing. I am not saying the if you are young you should not support your elders, just that it is not an obligation in our current situation.

    • Agree: Hhsiii
  192. @Dennis Dale
    @El Dato

    Blame a boomer for it. Ironic, but he's our foulest issue yet.

    Seriously. How do I know we boomers effed up? Because so many millennials and exers are depraved, emotional grotesques who would prefer to watch Western Civilization burn, so they can blame their parents, than to get off their ass and risk action, beyond spinning conspiracy theories and commiserating--anonymously--online with each other.

    I love how many are anonymous. All these little Bill Clintons protecting their petty "political viability". They're pussing out so as not to get fired from some globo homo corp (or the Food Shack), and calling out the "boomers" for essentially the same thing.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Corvinus

    The reality is that too many things are unnecessary out blamed on Boomers and Jews. Mott Gen Xers and Millennials do not share the vitriol toward these two groups. It’s much easier to scapegoat rather than take into account a myriad of factors why we are where we are.

  193. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    And Ron Unz is jumping up and down like a little kid on Christmas morning.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that we know it originated in China. How and why is a matter of speculation. Unz and Sailer in particular could come out and say directly that the conspiracies are fodder for clickbait. But why would they be honest about it?

    But it’s just easier to play the blame game You’re really good at that yourself.

  194. @TelfoedJohn
    https://i.redd.it/y7qp0eff7qm41.jpg

    I’ve got four or five of these symptoms, but I’m not sure if I have CV. The official UK advice is that I don’t have it and shouldn’t isolate because I don’t have “a fever or a ‘new, persistant cough’ ”.

    Replies: @Smithsonian, @Known Fact

    Pretty sure this is the first time I’ve ever seen an artist actually attempt to depict diarrhea. Could we just go back to someone with a squeamish facial expression?

  195. @Jack Armstrong

    Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”
     
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    Replies: @donut, @SFG, @Neuday, @Realist, @anon

    The best advice I can give about Covid-19 is watch reruns of Gilligan’s Island…for survival tips.

  196. @Hodag
    One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don't mean much. But in my travels I did have to exit the Kennedy at Addison. There was no backup and this did not happen in previous St Patrick's Days, due to a huge suburban groundswell of drunks. I thought that (literally) more sober heads prevailed. Oh well. Where do we find such shitheads?

    I want to secrete the Hodag family in our ancient Northwoods fastnesses. At least will have deer and walleye to eat. And people in Wisconsin are among the most obese in the nation...

    Replies: @Thea, @ken, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Colin Wright

    ‘One of my kids woke up with a fever today. Raised my worry level quite a bit. He is feeling better but we are going on a semi-quaranteen (per the CDC standard).

    But I did have to go out today. I am asymptomatic, but that don’t mean much…’

    Is this what you do when someone catches the flu?

  197. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Not our fault you're so old, senile and decrepit and can't handle a dry cough and mild fever.

    Sorry, snowflake. Not everyone melts at precisely 33 degrees.


    But I forgot, boomers always "stayed away" from having fun when their elders told them to it wasn't good for society.

    Just kidding, boomers ALWAYS did whatever the hell they wanted, damn their elders.

    Leave us alone. Steve wasn't going to go out and get laid on a St. Patrick's day pub crawl so it's easy for him to tell people at zero risk to suffer for his benefit.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Anon, @sayless

    Just don’t ask us to forgive your college debt, sucker.

  198. Alcohol-based hand sanitizers will kill bacteria but not viruses. A “germ” is a bacterium, which is alive and therefore can be killed, but a virus is a robotic coded DNA script which doesn’t reproduce, it replicates in a host cell. It’s bioactive but it isn’t alive. Alcohol doesn’t denature the DNA in viruses.

    Handwashing is a better defense.

  199. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Not our fault you're so old, senile and decrepit and can't handle a dry cough and mild fever.

    Sorry, snowflake. Not everyone melts at precisely 33 degrees.


    But I forgot, boomers always "stayed away" from having fun when their elders told them to it wasn't good for society.

    Just kidding, boomers ALWAYS did whatever the hell they wanted, damn their elders.

    Leave us alone. Steve wasn't going to go out and get laid on a St. Patrick's day pub crawl so it's easy for him to tell people at zero risk to suffer for his benefit.

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Anon, @sayless

    “people at zero risk”

    But young adults are not at zero risk. This isn’t a flu. People who get it, and young people can, are at risk to lose up to 30% of their lung capacity. The lung autopsy photos out of China show large areas “like frosted glass.” It’s horrific.

  200. Well, these photos of Generation Bastard out en masse whooping it up for St. Patricks day like nothing is wrong so pissed off Governor Pritzger that he ordered all bars and restaurants shut down in Illinois.

  201. @Anonymous
    @hhsiii

    Like when boomers starting flipping out over how laughing at dumb boomers by saying "ok, boomer" is equivalent to menacingly dropping directing n-words at them?

    Most absurd snowflake reaction in history.

    And look at FPD72s post. Yes, that absolutely warrants risk of coronavirus. Boomers have had ample opportunity to repent for their sins and they've proven to be utterly incapable of rational or moral thought.

    "What did any boomer ever do?" he cried out, as he strikes you.

    Replies: @sayless

    What is the import of it,

    OK boomer, or

    OK, boomer?

    I get the hostility but not the specific meaning.

  202. @The Alarmist
    @Polynikes

    Testing doesn't stop the spread ... it measures the spread after the fact.

    Replies: @Polynikes

    Right. Hence my point about infections being a lagging metric in comparison to deaths. The death rate will drop from 1% or wherever it’s at now.

  203. @Jack D
    @Polynikes

    You first. Asking other to make sacrifices while making none of your own is straight out of the Leftist playbook. Even if you have personally renounced all worldly goods and taken a vow of poverty, it's not your place to demand this of others.

    I'm afraid that even if he keeps his fund drives (which he should), he is going to feel the pinch anyway - in times of austerity and uncertainty, people decrease their giving. So don't worry your pretty little head - Steve will be sharing the pain.

    Replies: @Polynikes

    You completely missed the point. Steve is promoting much of the hysteria here and calling for the shut down of everything. I am not.

    (Fwiw, I will keep donating to Steve regularly, because I enjoy his content—disagreement about this issue aside).

  204. @Anonymous
    Strictly OT:

    RIP "Gender-fluid rocker" Genesis P-Orridge

    From The Backward:
    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Musician, Artist and Provocateur, Dies at 70

    Genesis achieved cult notoriety leading the British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, and later pushed the limits of gender in a surgical project to merge identities with her wife.
    John Leland

    By John Leland

    March 14, 2020
    Updated 6:03 p.m. ET

    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, the provocative British musician, writer and visual artist who pushed the limits of gender and the self, often using her own skin as her medium, has dropped her body.

    At least, that is how she might have described the transition. Even in death, she would not have wanted to be held to drab social norms.

    Genesis’s daughters, Genesse and Caresse P-Orridge, announced her death in a statement shared on Facebook by her manager, Ryan Martin. They said Genesis died at her home on the Lower East Side of Manhattan on Saturday from leukemia. She was 70.

    Genesis led the influential British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, dabbled as a dominatrix in New York, ran a soup kitchen in Kathmandu, hid out from Scotland Yard, organized a cultlike fan club that asked initiates to send in their bodily fluids, and undertook a long-running surgical project to merge identities with her wife, Jacqueline Mary Breyer, in a single nongendered being they called a “pandrogyne.”

    It was a full life. “We’ve not squandered it,” Genesis said in 2018, using the plural pronoun to convey that she spoke for this dual identity. “We’ve utilized it to the maximum we could.”

    She was born Neil Andrew Megson on Feb. 22, 1950, in Manchester, England, the second of two children of Ronald and Muriel Megson, who both worked briefly as semiprofessional actors.


    Sickly as an adolescent, she had what she described as a tortured passage through England’s elite public school system, never comfortable with her body and gender. When, as a teenager, she discovered the Surrealist drawings of Max Ernst, which mashed together heads of one species with bodies of another, it gave her an early taste of the liberation she would pursue for the next five decades.

    “I’d grown up thinking that the world was what I saw, and then I realized it wasn’t — it could be anything at all,” she told The New York Times in 2018.

    It was the dawn of the psychedelic 1960s, and she saw that she could create herself in a new form, as an alter ego she called Genesis P-Orridge, who became a canvas for a wide range of experiments: artistic, pharmaceutical, surgical and spiritual.


    After art school she formed a confrontational performance group called COUM Transmissions, which shocked the British art world with a 1976 exhibition called “Prostitution” at London’s Institute of Contemporary Arts. The exhibition included pornography, strippers and used tampons, and led one member of Parliament to call the group “wreckers of civilization.”

    The core members of COUM morphed into Throbbing Gristle, an often abrasive experimental band that coined the term “industrial music” to describe its repetitive, amelodic soundscapes.

    As with COUM, performances might involve nudity, self-mutilation, dead animals and Holocaust imagery; the band’s best-known single, “Zyklon B Zombie,” referred to the poison gas used in Nazi death camps. (At the time, Genesis lived with the band’s guitarist, Cosey Fanni Tutti, who later described her as domineering and abusive, an accusation Genesis denied.)

    Thus began a career that moved from street theater and small rock clubs to established art galleries and museums.

    Tim Mohr, who was helping Genesis write her autobiography, described her as “a Zelig-like character” who “connects to the Beats, was friends with William Burroughs and Brion Gysin, then in the midst of the hippies with Timothy Leary.”

    “But she didn’t see herself squarely in any of those groups,” Mr. Mohr said in an interview. “Basically she was obsessed with not repeating things. So big changes were not daunting. She accepts that changes will cause periods of difficulty.”



    Genesis kept evolving. After achieving cult notoriety in Throbbing Gristle, she found a broader rock audience in the 1980s with the occultist psychedelic band Psychic TV. The group’s followers formed a cultlike network called Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth, with members instructed to wear paramilitary uniforms and explore realms of magic and the occult. But in 1991, with the band and the fan club becoming too draining, Genesis relocated to Kathmandu with her first wife, Paula, and their daughters, Genesse and Caresse.

    In addition to her daughters, she is survived by a granddaughter.

    Another page turned: In her absence, the authorities raided Genesis’s home in Brighton, on the English coast, and confiscated materials that were splashed on the news as evidence of a supposed satanic cult. Though no charges were filed, the family went into voluntary exile, ultimately landing in California and the orbit of Mr. Leary, the LSD pioneer, who became a friend and influence.

    There, as Genesis’s first marriage unwound, she found another unlikely identity, as a single father of two girls, attending P.T.A. meetings in a silver miniskirt and thigh-high boots. “They were good meetings,” she said.

    On a trip to New York, she met Jacqueline Breyer, a dominatrix and nurse. Their love was so consuming that they wanted to fuse into a single entity, freed from the binary divisions of gender. After Genesis was severely injured in a fire in the California home of the music mogul Rick Rubin in April 1995, the couple moved to New York for her recovery.

    They shared clothes and makeup. After Genesis won a lawsuit for the injuries sustained in the fire, they had money and time to push their “pandrogyne” project further. They got matching breast implants. Lady Jaye, as she was known, got a chin implant and had surgery on her nose.

    “We’d go to our plastic surgeon and say, what else can we do now to look more alike?” Genesis said.

    Then, in 2007, Lady Jaye died of an acute heart arrhythmia. Her death left Genesis alone, one half of an art project that no longer had a second half.



    All along, Genesis was writing, painting, creating collages and sculptures that explored gender and sexuality. Once declared a destroyer of civilization, she found her work embraced by the fine art world, including the Tate Britain in London and the Rubin Museum of Art in New York.

    Her quest, she felt, remained the same: to pull things apart and put them back together, questioning why they were a certain way. Holding it all together was her most inspired creation, the changing canvas that was herself.

    “Some people take their lives and turn them into the equivalent of a work of art,” she said. “So we invented Genesis, but Gen forgot Neil, really. Does that person still exist somewhere, or did Genesis gobble him up?

    “We don’t know the answer. But thank you, Neil.”
    Correction: March 14, 2020

    Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this obituary misstated the year Genesis was interviewed by The New York Times. It was 2018, not 2019.

    John Leland, a Metro reporter, joined The Times in 2000. His most recent book is “Happiness Is a Choice You Make: Lessons From a Year Among the Oldest Old,” based on a Times series. @johnleland
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/arts/music/genesis-breyer-p-orridge-dead.html

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @hhsiii

    Glad he’s dead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack Armstrong

    It was a tortured soul, whatever it was.

  205. anon[828] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    Another recurring theme in historical analyses of epidemics is that medical and public health interventions often fail to live up to their promise. The technology needed to eradicate smallpox — vaccination — was described in 1798, but it took nearly 180 years to achieve success. In 1900, health officials in San Francisco strung a rope around Chinatown in an attempt to contain an outbreak of bubonic plague; only white people (and presumably rats) were allowed to enter or leave the neighborhood. This intervention did not have the desired effect.

    Syphilis, one of the great scourges of the early 20th century, could have been ended, in theory, had everyone adhered to a strict regimen of abstinence or monogamy. But as one U.S. Army medical officer complained in 1943, “The sex act cannot be made unpopular.” When penicillin became available, syphilis could have been eradicated more easily, but some doctors cautioned against its use for fear that it would remove the penalty from promiscuity. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) could, in theory, have been contained in the 1980s, but it wasn’t — and though the advent of effective antiretroviral therapy in 1996 dramatically reduced AIDS-related mortality, it did not end it. Striking disparities in AIDS outcomes persist, following familiar lines of race, class, and gender. As historian Allan Brandt famously concluded, “the promise of the magic bullet has never been fulfilled.”
     
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004361

    Replies: @donut, @SFG, @Neuday, @Realist, @anon

    Off Topic/
    Remember when Clinton apologised for the Tuskegee Experiment? There was a survivor on stage with him 98 years old looked pretty fit, though he didn’t speak. All the survivors were the ones who weren’t treated, the ones who were were long dead. For mine that raises the question of whether the pre Penicillin treatments were worse than the disease.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @anon

    Used to treat with mercury - it did kill the bug but there were complications.

  206. @Jack D
    @Sean

    While it is possible (even likely) that there is more than one strain of this virus and that different strains have different mortality associated with them, it is highly unlikely that the true mortality is EITHER 7% or .3%. Probably (especially the 7%) these are data artifacts resulting from lack of testing in the base population (you count only people who are already gravely ill as having coronavirus) , being at different stages of the epidemic, etc. When this all shakes out, it's highly unlikely that the mortality rate in Italy will be 21x higher than it is in Germany.

    Replies: @Sean

    Italy has recorded 368 new coronavirus deaths in 24 hours making a total of 1,809 people

    The Chinese reported 8% mortality in those over those infected who were 70-79 years old and the median age of Italy’s coronavirus victims is 82 years old.

    In Germany there have been 11 deaths in TOTAL despite over 5000 confirmed cases. This isn’t being reported but the population of Germany is older than that of Italy.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2805838/
    Origins of the Spanish Influenza pandemic (1918–1920) and its relation to the First World War

    The first wave of the epidemic in the spring of 1918 was a seasonal and benign influenza epidemic, similar to those which occur almost every year and caused little mortality. If there had only been this one epidemic wave, it would not have been of much historical interest and would not have motivated so much investigation. The main conclusion of the present research into the origins and beginning of the Spanish Influenza pandemic is that it appears to be inextricably linked to the soldiers who fought during the First World War. The millions of young men in army barracks, military camps and trenches constituted the vulnerable substrate on which the influenza virus developed, became extremely virulent and spread worldwide in October and November (1918).

    There is potential for a far more virulent strain of coronavirus to appear, and the millions Uighurs that the Chinese state have in concentration camps in Xinjiang make it far from unlikely that that is going to happen in the opinion of Professor Ewald.

    https://theconversation.com/uighur-muslims-novel-coronavirus-could-become-increasingly-virulent-in-detention-camps-131807

    On January 27, 2020, it was reported that at least 24 people in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) had contracted COVID-19, with more than 1,200 people placed under medical observation. These camps may, like the western front or crowded poultry farms, create the conditions for the virus that causes COVID-19 to evolve into an especially deadly form.

    Unlike what we’re seeing with COVID-19 now, where people must be more or less mobile to infect others, in a detention camp this constraint on the virus disappears. There it can evolve high specialisation and virulence in the species it’s infecting – in this case, people.

    If the Chinese government cannot or does not curb the transmission of the novel coronavirus in Xinjiang, it’s possible that it will evolve, as the influenza virus did in 1918, to become even more dangerous to humans.

    So bearing in mind that being infected and recovering may confer some protection against later wave infection that might be coming, is it a good idea for everyone to avoid infection now?

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5e6ac7ff230000121e3a32ad.gif?ops=scalefit_630_noupscale

    Steve and almost everyone else seems to think so. But what if what Ewald is raising concerns about transpires.

  207. @Anonymous
    Strictly OT:

    RIP "Gender-fluid rocker" Genesis P-Orridge

    From The Backward:
    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, Musician, Artist and Provocateur, Dies at 70

    Genesis achieved cult notoriety leading the British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, and later pushed the limits of gender in a surgical project to merge identities with her wife.
    John Leland

    By John Leland

    March 14, 2020
    Updated 6:03 p.m. ET

    Genesis Breyer P-Orridge, the provocative British musician, writer and visual artist who pushed the limits of gender and the self, often using her own skin as her medium, has dropped her body.

    At least, that is how she might have described the transition. Even in death, she would not have wanted to be held to drab social norms.

    Genesis’s daughters, Genesse and Caresse P-Orridge, announced her death in a statement shared on Facebook by her manager, Ryan Martin. They said Genesis died at her home on the Lower East Side of Manhattan on Saturday from leukemia. She was 70.

    Genesis led the influential British rock bands Throbbing Gristle and Psychic TV, dabbled as a dominatrix in New York, ran a soup kitchen in Kathmandu, hid out from Scotland Yard, organized a cultlike fan club that asked initiates to send in their bodily fluids, and undertook a long-running surgical project to merge identities with her wife, Jacqueline Mary Breyer, in a single nongendered being they called a “pandrogyne.”

    It was a full life. “We’ve not squandered it,” Genesis said in 2018, using the plural pronoun to convey that she spoke for this dual identity. “We’ve utilized it to the maximum we could.”

    She was born Neil Andrew Megson on Feb. 22, 1950, in Manchester, England, the second of two children of Ronald and Muriel Megson, who both worked briefly as semiprofessional actors.


    Sickly as an adolescent, she had what she described as a tortured passage through England’s elite public school system, never comfortable with her body and gender. When, as a teenager, she discovered the Surrealist drawings of Max Ernst, which mashed together heads of one species with bodies of another, it gave her an early taste of the liberation she would pursue for the next five decades.

    “I’d grown up thinking that the world was what I saw, and then I realized it wasn’t — it could be anything at all,” she told The New York Times in 2018.

    It was the dawn of the psychedelic 1960s, and she saw that she could create herself in a new form, as an alter ego she called Genesis P-Orridge, who became a canvas for a wide range of experiments: artistic, pharmaceutical, surgical and spiritual.


    After art school she formed a confrontational performance group called COUM Transmissions, which shocked the British art world with a 1976 exhibition called “Prostitution” at London’s Institute of Contemporary Arts. The exhibition included pornography, strippers and used tampons, and led one member of Parliament to call the group “wreckers of civilization.”

    The core members of COUM morphed into Throbbing Gristle, an often abrasive experimental band that coined the term “industrial music” to describe its repetitive, amelodic soundscapes.

    As with COUM, performances might involve nudity, self-mutilation, dead animals and Holocaust imagery; the band’s best-known single, “Zyklon B Zombie,” referred to the poison gas used in Nazi death camps. (At the time, Genesis lived with the band’s guitarist, Cosey Fanni Tutti, who later described her as domineering and abusive, an accusation Genesis denied.)

    Thus began a career that moved from street theater and small rock clubs to established art galleries and museums.

    Tim Mohr, who was helping Genesis write her autobiography, described her as “a Zelig-like character” who “connects to the Beats, was friends with William Burroughs and Brion Gysin, then in the midst of the hippies with Timothy Leary.”

    “But she didn’t see herself squarely in any of those groups,” Mr. Mohr said in an interview. “Basically she was obsessed with not repeating things. So big changes were not daunting. She accepts that changes will cause periods of difficulty.”



    Genesis kept evolving. After achieving cult notoriety in Throbbing Gristle, she found a broader rock audience in the 1980s with the occultist psychedelic band Psychic TV. The group’s followers formed a cultlike network called Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth, with members instructed to wear paramilitary uniforms and explore realms of magic and the occult. But in 1991, with the band and the fan club becoming too draining, Genesis relocated to Kathmandu with her first wife, Paula, and their daughters, Genesse and Caresse.

    In addition to her daughters, she is survived by a granddaughter.

    Another page turned: In her absence, the authorities raided Genesis’s home in Brighton, on the English coast, and confiscated materials that were splashed on the news as evidence of a supposed satanic cult. Though no charges were filed, the family went into voluntary exile, ultimately landing in California and the orbit of Mr. Leary, the LSD pioneer, who became a friend and influence.

    There, as Genesis’s first marriage unwound, she found another unlikely identity, as a single father of two girls, attending P.T.A. meetings in a silver miniskirt and thigh-high boots. “They were good meetings,” she said.

    On a trip to New York, she met Jacqueline Breyer, a dominatrix and nurse. Their love was so consuming that they wanted to fuse into a single entity, freed from the binary divisions of gender. After Genesis was severely injured in a fire in the California home of the music mogul Rick Rubin in April 1995, the couple moved to New York for her recovery.

    They shared clothes and makeup. After Genesis won a lawsuit for the injuries sustained in the fire, they had money and time to push their “pandrogyne” project further. They got matching breast implants. Lady Jaye, as she was known, got a chin implant and had surgery on her nose.

    “We’d go to our plastic surgeon and say, what else can we do now to look more alike?” Genesis said.

    Then, in 2007, Lady Jaye died of an acute heart arrhythmia. Her death left Genesis alone, one half of an art project that no longer had a second half.



    All along, Genesis was writing, painting, creating collages and sculptures that explored gender and sexuality. Once declared a destroyer of civilization, she found her work embraced by the fine art world, including the Tate Britain in London and the Rubin Museum of Art in New York.

    Her quest, she felt, remained the same: to pull things apart and put them back together, questioning why they were a certain way. Holding it all together was her most inspired creation, the changing canvas that was herself.

    “Some people take their lives and turn them into the equivalent of a work of art,” she said. “So we invented Genesis, but Gen forgot Neil, really. Does that person still exist somewhere, or did Genesis gobble him up?

    “We don’t know the answer. But thank you, Neil.”
    Correction: March 14, 2020

    Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this obituary misstated the year Genesis was interviewed by The New York Times. It was 2018, not 2019.

    John Leland, a Metro reporter, joined The Times in 2000. His most recent book is “Happiness Is a Choice You Make: Lessons From a Year Among the Oldest Old,” based on a Times series. @johnleland
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/arts/music/genesis-breyer-p-orridge-dead.html

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @hhsiii

    I listened to some Throbbing Gristle back in the day. Completely unaware of this back story and recent stuff. The music wasn’t bad.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  208. @Neuday
    @FPD72

    Can you take the Hart-Cellar Act and the 14th Amendment with you when you go?

    Replies: @FPD72, @hhsiii

    This is dumb. Like the current gen doesn’t completely support this? And the 14th amendment was in 1868. Are you trolling or do you blame boomers for the 14th amendment? Oh well, I was taking the piss but now I’m not really sure wtf is the point of these posts. Take care.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @hhsiii

    The so-called Civil Rights Acts in the 60's were based on Talmudic misinterpretations of the 14th. "Separate but Equal" will never be possible, the Gap will never be closed, and I think many people would welcome some form of segregation. Many whites, in their hearts, are tired of blacks, and blacks, quite openly, are tired of whites. I blame boomers for ceding America to its enemies.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Charon

  209. @miss marple
    They're mostly the Irish, not going to be dissuaded and, hey, maybe they'll scare the corona virus off like St. Patrick and those pesky snakes.

    Replies: @Sebastian Hawks, @Brutusale

    No they aren’t Irish, it’s a Chicagoland thing that all the white kids go get wasted on St. Patricks day regardless of their ethnicity. They had this really bad excuse for excessive drunkeness down at U of I called “Unofficial St. Patricks Day” ( the school is on break during the real one) where they drink till they drop on the first Friday in early March. You’d see kids standing there bent over holding their knees vomiting on the sidewalks along the main drag in Champaign. The State Police try to crack down on it and is seems to be waning as the place is taken over by the Chinese.

  210. All those 20-30 year olds out drinking in Chicago just had their bars shut down by Pritzker, a man they voted for.

  211. @hhsiii
    @Neuday

    This is dumb. Like the current gen doesn’t completely support this? And the 14th amendment was in 1868. Are you trolling or do you blame boomers for the 14th amendment? Oh well, I was taking the piss but now I’m not really sure wtf is the point of these posts. Take care.

    Replies: @Neuday

    The so-called Civil Rights Acts in the 60’s were based on Talmudic misinterpretations of the 14th. “Separate but Equal” will never be possible, the Gap will never be closed, and I think many people would welcome some form of segregation. Many whites, in their hearts, are tired of blacks, and blacks, quite openly, are tired of whites. I blame boomers for ceding America to its enemies.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Neuday

    I gather. Boomers may collectively have been defeatists. Post boomers active fifth columnists and now the new overlords. Enjoy.

    , @Charon
    @Neuday

    Most boomers were children in the 1960s so it's patently ridiculous to blame them for the legislation enacted then. But if it makes you feel better I guess it's okay.

  212. @Steve Sailer
    @LondonBob

    The death rate was about twice as high in Philadelphia (which held a huge parade) in late 1918 as in St. Louis (which locked down).

    Replies: @LondonBob, @The Alarmist

    Philly had a lot more Italians, a group, much like today, who seemed to be one of the groups hardest hit by the Spanish Flu.

  213. @MBlanc46
    St Pat’s Day is amateur hour. Wouldn’t go out drinking on a dare.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rapparee

    It’s the one day of the year I want to drive all these spud-munching Paddy bog-trotters back into the ocean. I’m only Irish the other 364 days on the calendar.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Rapparee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw

  214. @Kronos
    @Mr McKenna


    A number of us have been saying that, unlike the robot-like people in the Orient, America’s reigning ethos of “Whatever whatever, I do what I want” might present some difficulty.
     
    That’s correct!

    https://youtu.be/aXUYb-kwl7E

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  215. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Armstrong
    @Anonymous

    Glad he’s dead.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It was a tortured soul, whatever it was.

  216. @Neuday
    @hhsiii

    The so-called Civil Rights Acts in the 60's were based on Talmudic misinterpretations of the 14th. "Separate but Equal" will never be possible, the Gap will never be closed, and I think many people would welcome some form of segregation. Many whites, in their hearts, are tired of blacks, and blacks, quite openly, are tired of whites. I blame boomers for ceding America to its enemies.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Charon

    I gather. Boomers may collectively have been defeatists. Post boomers active fifth columnists and now the new overlords. Enjoy.

  217. @anon
    Charlie Kirk has been really mad that they cancelled March Madness:

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238199779579949057

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238293848859660288

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238297664858415105

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1238872085314732032

    Replies: @El Dato, @Dennis Dale, @Just another serf, @Mike Tre, @Known Fact, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Screw basketball.

    Losing the NCAA wrestling tournament is the real tragedy.

  218. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    Question for Steve is what was the impact of the second wave of the Spanish Flu on Philadelphia in comparison to St Louis?

    For all this talking about vaccines, what is the track record on vaccines for coronaviruses?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    wapo has this graphic, saying that Philadelphia was not hit the second time and this is a pretty good illustration of “flattening the curve.”

  219. @Rapparee
    @MBlanc46

    It’s the one day of the year I want to drive all these spud-munching Paddy bog-trotters back into the ocean. I’m only Irish the other 364 days on the calendar.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  220. @Steve from Detroit
    @Daniel Williams

    Thank you for this. I heartily laughed out loud after reading this, and that very rarely happens.

    You just made my day.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Ha ha! Thanks!

  221. @JimB
    @Neoconned


    What about alcohol based hand sanitizer? What will happen when viruses and bacteria develop immunity to alcohol….which is the active ingredient in hand sanitizer…???
     
    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @kaganovitch

    If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    Not chemically possible I’m afraid without distillation. %20 is about the highest alcohol content you can get w/o distillation.

  222. If that comes to pass, I will start a vineyard to make 120 proof wine for the urban market.

    Not chemically possible I’m afraid without distillation. %20 is about the highest alcohol content you can get w/o distillation.

    Welcome to the end of the punchline. Sheesh!

  223. We’ve had our partying priorities in order since before WWII. (Another Thin Man 1939)

  224. @Neuday
    @hhsiii

    The so-called Civil Rights Acts in the 60's were based on Talmudic misinterpretations of the 14th. "Separate but Equal" will never be possible, the Gap will never be closed, and I think many people would welcome some form of segregation. Many whites, in their hearts, are tired of blacks, and blacks, quite openly, are tired of whites. I blame boomers for ceding America to its enemies.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Charon

    Most boomers were children in the 1960s so it’s patently ridiculous to blame them for the legislation enacted then. But if it makes you feel better I guess it’s okay.

  225. @anon
    @Jack Armstrong

    Off Topic/
    Remember when Clinton apologised for the Tuskegee Experiment? There was a survivor on stage with him 98 years old looked pretty fit, though he didn't speak. All the survivors were the ones who weren't treated, the ones who were were long dead. For mine that raises the question of whether the pre Penicillin treatments were worse than the disease.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    Used to treat with mercury – it did kill the bug but there were complications.

  226. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Anonymous

    Our Very High I.Q. , Extreme Right of Bell Curve owner of this site gets the credit for starting that rumor. Just like the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s not true. This rumor was there right from the start. What’s new is that the Chinese government is now apparently officially endorsing what was previously just street gossip.

  227. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t ‘hate’ boomers but it is bizarre to see people who turned teen rebellion into a lifelong vocation now demanding filial piety from their own children.

  228. @miss marple
    They're mostly the Irish, not going to be dissuaded and, hey, maybe they'll scare the corona virus off like St. Patrick and those pesky snakes.

    Replies: @Sebastian Hawks, @Brutusale

  229. @Neoconned
    Serious question....some on here have claimed that Corona is a bioweapon....now may just be a conspiracy theory i dunno BUT the scenario goes that 200 or so US Service members visited Wuhan prior to the outbreak....

    1) what is the source of the claim regarding the "200 or so US military personnel"?

    2) ....can somebody post some UNZ LINKS AS IN the other non Steve bloggers on this site....

    3) if there are ANY NON UNZ LINKS making similar claims can somebody post those?

    .....please and thank you.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Brutusale

    Not totally sold by this, but Occam’s Butterknife hasn’t trimmed the facts down much.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

  230. @Steve from Detroit
    @CCZ

    This is a prime example of why I benefit from reading this blog. I like to think I am fairly well read regarding the news, but this is the first time I've seen this. You'd think this would be of interest to people wanting to examine what is occurring, rather than endlessly repeating doomsday statistics.

    Also, this:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/28/800442646/acclaimed-harvard-scientist-is-arrested-accused-of-lying-about-ties-to-china

    Replies: @CCZ

    Similarly, in Canada:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

    A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what’s being described as a possible “policy breach.” Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada’s only level-4 lab on July 5, CBC News has learned.

    A Level 4 virology facility is a lab equipped to work with the most serious and deadly human and animal diseases. That makes the Arlington Street lab one of only a handful in North America capable of handling pathogens requiring the highest level of containment, such as Ebola.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/national-microbiology-lab-scientist-investigation-china-1.5307424

    A Canadian government scientist at the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China’s newly certified Level 4 lab, which does research with the most deadly pathogens, according to travel documents obtained by CBC News.

    Xiangguo Qiu — who was escorted out of the Winnipeg lab in July amid an RCMP investigation into what’s being described by Public Health Agency of Canada as a possible “policy breach” — was invited to go to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time.

  231. @International Jew
    I wonder if the IRS will postpone this year's filing deadline?

    Replies: @Anno, @snorlax, @Bubba

    Well, you were right and the LOL is on me!

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