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The New York Times’ lead pandemic reporter Donald G. McNeil Jr. got forced out of his 45-year-career over, more or less, the high crime of being an Old White Man With a Good Job Who Acts Like He Deserves It. He answers back here:

I’m publishing my thoughts here on Medium because I know journalists.

We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies. But we’re still jackals. We can befriend you for years, and then bite off your arm just as you’re offering us a treat. We can’t help it. It’s the nature of the job.

… That’s the game. I’m somewhat relieved to be out of it. But after 50 years, if you count writing for my high school magazine, I’ll probably never be able to shake the habits.

Since January 28, I’ve been a jackal circled by jackals. Since not every journalist gets quotes right, on the rare occasions in my life that I’ve answered journalists’ questions, I’ve tried to do so in writing. That way, either they get it right or I can prove I was misquoted….

I chose this route so I can control at least one part of the narrative: my own. If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions. When he writes, he chooses the bits that he thinks are important. And tiny shades of nuance can cast a whole story in a different light. Am I principled? Old-school? Blunt? Cranky? Or “the end of the asshole era” at the Times, as Vanity Fair let an anonymous source describe me? Was I speaking to innocent schoolchildren? Or to privileged prep schoolers burnishing their resumés? Am I a long-time science reporter? A veteran science reporter? A star reporter? A legendary reporter? During February, without having published a single article, I won battlefield promotions from “long-time” to “legendary” from a dozen reporters who described me — for their own purposes — without ever speaking to me.

Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so. …

Now, there is an exception: if you’re an editor and you write an error into my copy, I can definitely be an asshole. …

One last thought: what’s happened to me has been called a “witch hunt.” It isn’t. It’s a series of misunderstandings and blunders. I may be the only living Times reporter who has actually covered a witch hunt — in Zimbabwe in 1997. They inevitably end worse for the accused. I’m at least getting my say. …

As a commenter says, this isn’t a witch hunt, this is a white hunt.

I’ll tell my story in three further parts:

What Happened on Jan. 28 and Thereafter?

What Happened during the August 2019 Times Investigation?

What Happened in Peru?

One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.

Funny how that works …

 
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  1. Getting in a subtle dig in about how uncivilized Africans are when he got cancelled for ‘raycism’ is kind of based.

    • Agree: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @DextersLabRat


    Getting in a subtle dig in about how uncivilized Africans are when he got cancelled for ‘raycism’ is kind of based.
     
    I guess that the New York Times won’t be covering witch hunts anymore.

    Replies: @njguy73

  2. Steve,

    OT: Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur – ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dan Hayes


    Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur – ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.
     
    That was David Tafuri.

    Did you notice Tucker’s montage of those supporting the bombing of Syria? Adam Schiff, Elissa Slotkin, Max Boot, Amy Siskind, Richard Haas... 😳 ... oh boy, I’m noticing...
    ...Jen Psaki, David French, 😅... phew, that was a close one. Tucker’s getting a little too close to the sun.

    Replies: @Richard B

    , @North Carolina Resident
    @Dan Hayes

    What's the real reason?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @AndrewR
    @Dan Hayes

    Tucker has enough money to let his children live into old age in luxury without working a day.

    The most generous explanation of his timidity is that he thinks he can do more good for the world by slightly censoring himself on Fox than by starting an uncensored podcast or something. But frankly my money is on him just being greedy and cowardly.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Richard B

    , @anonymous
    @Dan Hayes

    Tucker kept on asking questions demanding justification for the purpose of being in the Middle East but at the same time kept on wildly talking about China seeking to take over the world. "There's only one country that can make my family obey and that's China." WTF?

  3. Hello again Steve. I am just taking an efficient if lazy way to involve you in what I have just suggested to Ron in two posts on his Bugs and Suggestions thread. I’ll send Part 1 immediately to avoid accidents:

    1. Ron, may I suggest you get the best writer on H-bd that you can cajole to write about the H-bd implicatiins of something which I have just come across that at least should attract the enthusiastic interest of Fred Reed even if it doesn’t end up allowing him to say “I told you so”.

    It came up in the middle of half an hour on the exercise bike watching Coast Australia where Neil Oliver had deputed one of his tame Australian professors to go to the tiny Carnac Island off the coast of Western Australia to consider the puzzle of its very venemous Tiger Snakes with which it was infested.

    The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive. So the question was whether, as in the Galapagos natural selection might have facilitated the changes. How long could they have been evolving in isolation was therefore critical.

    For a reason I can’t remember the founding population dating to separation from the mainland at the end of the last Ice Age was ruled out. Swimming to Carnac Island from another island or the mainland was ruled out by the strong currents and perhaps massive tides. The snake colony was dated, as a matter of probability, to the release of the snakes there about 1930 when the law changed to forbid a well known showman exhibiting his snakes.

    The conclusion favoured was that the possibilities for variation after birth (and maybe from conception I suppose) were built in to the snakes’ genome for instant adaptation to an environment.

    My proposed question would be whether anything similar can be regarded as a human version of the same thing.

    PS Steve. If not you maybe Peter Frost?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Wizard of Oz

    Island gigantism ( eg Galapagos giant tortoises ) or pygmyism ( the last Maltese elephants ) is a well known feature of arguments for evolution. Did the Andaman islanders, much beloved of Maestro Steve, become even smaller when they became isolated there ? Did this happen quickly? Research, please!

    Back to your Tiger Snake again. Like most species, there will be variability in physical characteristics so that they will benefit from improvement in conditions. There may be less predators and more prey so that more snakes live longer and are larger and healthier. The increase in size is not due to genetic change, then. In Western societies, similarly, improvement in nutrition, hygiene, living conditions and healthcare have resulted in a much larger and taller population with a greater life expectancy than in the past.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

    , @anonymous coward
    @Wizard of Oz

    Ant queens mate only once in their life. Every ant in an ant colony is formed from the genetic material stored during that one mating act. Ant queens (and colonies) live for 20-30 years, and produce a tremendous variation of ant phenotypes in the process.

    So yeah, we don't know anything about epigenetics, and our understanding of how "evolution" works is laughably crude.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Wizard of Oz

    '...The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive...'

    If they were released from some banned animal act, I don't see much of a puzzle. They could easily have been selected for greater size and less aggression.

  4. All you need to know about this guy is that his job is to know current events and he was caught completely off guard by the major workplace trend of the past ten plus years. And he’s still defending his attackers and praising the Soviet Writers’ Union (journalists are democracy — indeed they must be, because we’ve got neither).

  5. Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
    @Dan Hayes


    Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!
     
    No, it was a White hunt.

    Someday Chinese historians will write of the infamous American White Hunts of the 21st Century.

    If the blacks win, there will be no one who can write history. Except they are not smart enough to hold off the Chinese once we are gone, so some version will be written, in pictographs.

    Replies: @jon

    , @BB753
    @Dan Hayes

    More like a "bitch hunt". This guy had it coming despite his whining.

  6. Part 2 (as to Ron’s Bugs & Suggestions thread)

    Also, if you were disposed to open up more H-bd discussions, I have another one prompted by learning that Shakespeare’s male servants would have been entitled to 8 pints of eer a day, females to 6. Apparently it was well understood that beer was much safer to drink than water even though it was not known why.

    I recall the plausible suggestion that the inflicting of capital punishment for many crimes would have materially reduced a community’s genetic propensity to commit antisocial acts. What about beer drinking among the middle classes and servants in respectable households? Spirits might have promoted Hogarth Ian excess but the beer drinkers might have been habitually benign and easy going with favourable effects on social relations. How might natural selection have operated in such hypothesised circustances+?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Wizard of Oz

    Not just for the antiseptic properties. Mrs Beeton was most insistent that well-bred young mothers chug a quart of beer every day to promote lactation


    .. as stimulants are inadmissible, if not positively injurious, the substitute required is to be found in malt liquor. To the lady accustomed to her Madeira and sherry, this may appear a very vulgar potation for a delicate young mother to take instead of the more subtle and condensed elegance of wine; but as we are writing from experience
    ...
    As the best tonic, then, and the most efficacious indirect stimulant that a mother can take at such times, there is no potation equal to porter and stout, or, what is better still, an equal part of porter and stout.
    ...
    The quantity to be taken must depend upon the natural strength of the mother, the age and demand made by the infant on the parent, and other causes; but the amount should vary from one to two pints a day, never taking less than half a pint at a time, which should be repeated three or four times a day.
     
    The stout implicated seems to have been an Imperial Russian style (14°-24° proof), as she notes that the relatively weak-ass porter is there to bring down the intoxicating hazard of such a crude and unladylike gargle.

    The missus had her first in the fittingly dilapidated Victorian Infirmary in our town (susequently demolished due to excess mortality. The story was that some sort of basically incurable hospital strep, and bonus anthrax was incorporated in the plaster, made up of the usual lime, sand and masses of cowhair from the then nearby slaughterhouses).

    Of course the first thing she wanted after finding her voice was a few tinnies of Mackeson and a big old fish and chip supper which she shared with the few other mums on her ward. Because that's what her mother, and her mother's mother etc.etc. had done. Sent me out for more fish&chips, didn't last long. Bunch of gannets. Had the sense to stash the cans until lights-out and nursie went back to pilfering cheese rolls from the patients' fridge down the corridor.

    Other kid was born at home in a giant bucket, with a couple of midwives around. Scared the shit out of the (American) students in the flat downstairs, in the wee small hours. A farmyard would have been safer than that ancient Dickensian shithole of a hospital. Her friend's baby (in at the same time) died of whatever it was that had poxed the place for generations.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Billy Corr
    @Wizard of Oz

    Those interested in Hogarth might like to go to *Google Images* and gaze on his depiction of the joy of beer and the misery of gin.

  7. I …just…. can’t…read..his … articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    @Michelle

    I agree. I don't feel one ounce of sorrow for what happened to him.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Michelle

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Michelle


    "...journalists...make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies..."
     
    Agree completely with your comment, Michelle. What a fatuous idiot this guy is.

    --Presumably he wrote his essay to somehow repair his public image or gain public sympathy. If he was concerned about either, he should have remained silent.

    --As far as "journalists making America what it is", if he's talking about the country's decay, then he's right.

    --America has a free press, but the NYT isn't a member. The NYT is owned by the Ruling Class and sticks to their approved narrative.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    , @Anonymous
    @Michelle


    I …just…. can’t…read..his … articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!
     
    I felt the same way about him and his writing. I was initially sympathetic to his plight, but after reading his response, I thought he was just a jerk.

    Replies: @Michelle

  8. With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase “It’s okay to be white” hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is “Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!”

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so “easily” supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America’s paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being “tried” in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming “NO!”

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to “Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less.”

    That’s why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so. Race is used as a canard to shame and ostracize only when the braying crowd turns.

    It is true at any point any white could possibly be turned on, but the reality is the elite whites know they can punch down any time they want and yell “look, white trash racists!” And lazy journalists follow the easy prey.

    Now if wokeness runs unabated this could become Zimbabwe. But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @J.Ross
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Per a recent previous thread, it's okay to be white when you're chatting up a nice Japanese girl.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

    , @Travis
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    due to demographics the time to take a stand for White rights has passed. The White population has declined over the last decade. This is just the beginning of the decline. the median age of white Americans is 45 year-old and the majority of young Americans are non-white and fully behind the anti-white agenda. We no longer have enough fertile white females to sustain the white population.

    The most important demographics for whites is the number of whites under the age of 40. Back in 1990 we had 122 million whites in this age cohort. Today just 97 million whites in this vital age cohort, a reduction of 21% in the white population of young people in America since the 1990. Most of the young whites today have been indoctrinated with woke dogma and either believe it or use it to destroy other whites to advance their careers. The whites most opposed to the woke agenda are close to retirement and lack the energy to fight back against the woke agenda. This writer typifies the leftist boomers who are either clueless or fear fighting back because they want to stay employed for a few more years. People like him will continue to grovel and apologize for being white in the hope that they can remain employed for another few years. Few will refuse to apologize and fewer will actually fight back. Most whites will continue to mock people like him for being foolish , We cannot expect solidarity from whites to defend other whites from the woke witch hunts.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @AnotherDad
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).
     
    Yojimbo, i'm totally on board with your plea for white people to smell the coffee and perk the hell up.

    But let's be clear this isn't some simply black-white race war. All the current year sacralizing of blacks is simply in the service of minoritarianism. Blacks being used as a club to beat deplorable flyover country white gentiles.

    It's key to remember that blacks have almost no actual power. Sure they can be noisy as hell. They can riot. And yeah, they are vote bank the Democrats must throw the odd bone to. But power? Control of our institutions? LOL.

    When there is some racial incident like this or the ugly African girl at Smith, the blacks can whip themselves into a frenzy on twitter and "clap back", but they are not the ones who actually deal out consequences. The people who can actually cancel you--college presidents, CEOs, trustees, boards of directors--or make a big media stentorian stink until those people do cancel you--are overwhelmingly Jews and "good" whites. Blacks have little say.

    The Smith College president could have, said "let's get the facts here, first" and after the investigation told the young woman she was mistaken and gone even further if she was name calling staff on twitter and demanded an apology or dismiss her from the college. The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees--mostly Jews and good whites--to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    Likewise this deal. No blacks forced the NYT management or the Sulzbergers to fire this guy. (Obvious since--his story--it's complete whiny b.s.)


    No this is not a black-white race war. This is a white civil war. Parasitic, minoritarians-Jewish and "good" white elites using blacks as a club to beat deplorables flyover gentiles and delegitimize their right to live as wish and govern themselves in their own nation. Basically make them slaves, while their nation is taken from them through immigration.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @kaganovitch, @HammerJack

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color.
     
    I don't know, but this seems to be a specifically US type of lunacy. Nowhere else where white people live is this possible, from Brazil and Argentina to Russia.

    You'll have to deal with your suicidal trends by yourself.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @AndrewR
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    To our rulers, the existence of white people is an existential threat.

  9. “If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions. When he writes, he chooses the bits that he thinks are important. And tiny shades of nuance can cast a whole story in a different light.”

    Never talk to a “journalist.” Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Peter D. Bredon


    Never talk to a “journalist.” Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.
     
    “Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink” —Martin Michael Lomasney (1859-1933), Boston Irish street gang leader, bootlegger, and later Boston politician

    “Never put it in email or text.”

    James Duane (B.A., J.D., Harvard), law professor and former federal prosecutor (“Never talk to law enforcement”):


    https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Pretty good advice there, Peter.

    The guy did write "bits", but he's talking about written journalism there. On TV, they just cut off parts of sentences even. My one and only experience being interviewed on TV ended up with the news people cutting off the last part of the only sentence they recorded, making my answer sound 180 degrees off what my whole sentence meant.

    OTOH, one time when I had a newspaper guy come talk to me about a story to be in the front page the next day, I told him first "I'm not gonna tell you anything because you guys always screw it up. That is, unless you let me edit it with you after you're done." I talked to him for an hour or so on the phone later, and he fixed all of the dozen or so things I told him were wrong. It was not about politics though...

    , @Change that Matters
    @Peter D. Bredon

    About 20 years ago, my employer required I do some media training.

    One of the first things out of the trainer's mouth was, "No journalist is your friend." He repeated this many times. I have never forgotten it.

    And yes, never talk to pilchard suckers.

  10. @Dan Hayes
    Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @BB753

    Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!

    No, it was a White hunt.

    Someday Chinese historians will write of the infamous American White Hunts of the 21st Century.

    If the blacks win, there will be no one who can write history. Except they are not smart enough to hold off the Chinese once we are gone, so some version will be written, in pictographs.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @jon
    @Charles St. Charles


    If the blacks win
     
    That's the one thing we all know won't happen. The only real question is if the future leaders will be Lee-Goldbergs or Goldberg-Lees.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  11. Oh wait, this is the guy of that video “How A Country Serious About Coronavirus Does Testing And Quarantine”! Yes, in a sea of charlatans, he knows what he’s talking about–at least on the topic of his expertise.

    Still, mixed feelings about this. If you’re with the NYT you know full well you’re working for the enemy. Generations before anyone knew what “woke” was, it already was the toxic rag that’s endorsed every American war and otherwise provided aid and comfort to the US establishment in every way possible. That kind of evil has a habit of turning on its servants. McNeil’s talents would’ve been better used elsewhere.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    @Ma Laoshi

    How does something like this work anyway. If the crazies get hired one after another, does nobody notice (and mention) they're crazy until it's too late? Or everybody understands that the (((Sulzbergers))) want crazy and people just try to hang on to their own gig for a while longer? Or with the whole US going crazy, it just becomes the new normal?

    , @Getaclue
    @Ma Laoshi

    Yes with a flu like Cold Virus that 99.7% or more survive (unless you have 2 or more co-morbidities) even on totally cooked bs numbers recording "deaths" by gun shot etc. -- let's "quarantine" healthy people and destroy the World Economy to usher in starvation for 200 Million people so the "Elite" creeps can have their "Global Reset"on the clueless Peons -- genius! "he knows what he's talking about"...LOL -- the NYSlimes eats their own and any sane person couldn't care less.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi

    , @Ma Laoshi
    @Ma Laoshi

    Just looked at some YouTube comments on that video (youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY) I mentioned. People were perplexed: an American journalist telling the truth? From the NYT? On TV? Is that still allowed? Just a matter of time in retrospect. Then again, on Unz I see that many Trumpies find anything true about China deeply offensive; hint: no need to protect the Donald's re-election chances any more.

    Note also the running text in that vid: 41 US dead. What difference a year makes.

  12. Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so. …

    Walter Duranty no doubt would have answered pretty much the same. But y’know….

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
    @anon

    “Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so. …”

    Total asshole answer. You dont get to answer that question - other people do.

    Back in my early days of working, an older hand passed on this rule of thumb to me: “If one guy calls you an asshole, he’s probably the asshole; if five guys call you an asshole, you are probably an asshole.”

  13. @Ma Laoshi
    Oh wait, this is the guy of that video "How A Country Serious About Coronavirus Does Testing And Quarantine"! Yes, in a sea of charlatans, he knows what he's talking about--at least on the topic of his expertise.

    Still, mixed feelings about this. If you're with the NYT you know full well you're working for the enemy. Generations before anyone knew what "woke" was, it already was the toxic rag that's endorsed every American war and otherwise provided aid and comfort to the US establishment in every way possible. That kind of evil has a habit of turning on its servants. McNeil's talents would've been better used elsewhere.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Getaclue, @Ma Laoshi

    How does something like this work anyway. If the crazies get hired one after another, does nobody notice (and mention) they’re crazy until it’s too late? Or everybody understands that the (((Sulzbergers))) want crazy and people just try to hang on to their own gig for a while longer? Or with the whole US going crazy, it just becomes the new normal?

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  14. @DextersLabRat
    Getting in a subtle dig in about how uncivilized Africans are when he got cancelled for 'raycism' is kind of based.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Getting in a subtle dig in about how uncivilized Africans are when he got cancelled for ‘raycism’ is kind of based.

    I guess that the New York Times won’t be covering witch hunts anymore.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Not Raul

    No, the Times will definitely keep covering witch hunts.

    You know that in 2032, there's gonna be "The 1692 Project" about the 340th anniversary of the Salem Witch Trials, and how that made America a patriarchal regime.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  15. Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so….Now, there is an exception: if you’re an editor and you write an error into my copy, I can definitely be an asshole. …

    The fundamental difference between most old school journalists and most of the new breed: the old school journalists knew they were kind of assholes; the modern bunch is completely unaware that they are – and, sadly, probably always will be. As the journalism business has become increasingly unstable so have the people who want to work in it.

  16. I read McNeil’s posts. I can see why people want to make this all about “another white man silenced by Wokeness.” I think that’s a superficial reading of the situation.

    Whenever you write “I don’t think I’m an @sshole,” early in an article, that leads me to believe that a lot of people do think you are an @sshole. If you get on the wrong side of many of your bosses and coworkers, you are asking for trouble. And that appears to me to be what happened to McNeil. In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    It’s a sh!tty reality of the working world that office politics exists and more often than not, popularity trumps competence. But, that’s the way the world works, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @jon
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.
     
    Even if racism is a convenient reason, it is one being used to mass-purge Whites for being assholes, lazy, whatever. Without racism there might not be enough convenient excuses to get rid of so many of us.
    , @Tono Bungay
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Asshole or not, his description of the inquisition to which he was submitted is too detailed and credible to ignore. These spineless NYT cretins are shaping the news for the entire country, and their fanaticism bodes ill for every white man and woman.

    , @Jack D
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    McNeil was (not so) secretly PROUD of being an asshole. Being a cynical, hard boiled asshole was once part of the job description for being a newspaper reporter, where you had to call up other cynical, hard boiled asshole cops or politicians or bureaucrats or generalissimos and somehow cajole some semblance of the truth out of them. And if the "Shaman" is doing cheap sleight of hand magic tricks that wouldn't pass muster at an 8 year old's birthday party or is mixing up his "native religion" with Catholicism and stuff that he saw on TV, you're not going to pretend not to notice just because he's a sacred Person of Color.

    You weren't going to be a cynical, hard boiled asshole with all of your story subjects and then be all sweetness and light with your colleagues and bosses - that's not how it works. If you offended your co-worker fweelings - tough shit. What sort of pussy admits that "you made them feel unsafe" because of words? Unsafe is when you can hear the bullets whistling past. And if this got you in trouble with your bosses, let them take it up with the shop steward. Being an asshole is not a violation of the collective bargaining agreement.

    Replies: @black sea, @Flying Dutchman

    , @Up2Drew
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I've said this before on another thread. A bit of wisdom I passed on to my sons:

    If somebody thinks you're an @sshole, that's okay. Somebody is gonna think that. If nobody thinks you're an @sshole, you're not trying very hard.

    But if everybody seems to think you're an @sshole ... pay attention, you probably are.

  17. Employees engage in cunning tricks to get colleagues fired all the time. That’s an ugly but normal part of the workplace. I’ve witnessed these types of incidents first hand and normally no one wants to hear about it outside of a small handful of people.

  18. It’s verbose. The most important section is Part II where he tells WTF actually happened, and this is important, for the parents here:

    Yes, I did use the word, in this context: A student asked me if I thought her high school’s administration was right to suspend a classmate of hers for using the word in a video she’d made in eighth grade. I said “Did she actually call someone a “(offending word”? Or was she singing a rap song or quoting a book title or something?” When the student explained that it was the student, who was white and Jewish, sitting with a black friend and the two were jokingly insulting each other by calling each other offensive names for a black person and a Jew, I said “She was suspended for that? Two years later? No, I don’t think suspension was warranted. Somebody should have talked to her, but any school administrator should know that 12-year-olds say dumb things. It’s part of growing up.”

    We are talking about a 12-year-old here. Parents, have “the talk” with your kids. Explain to them that under no circumstances are they to joke about race, and especially not with black “friends” who somehow turn out to be non-friends when the chips are down.

    Note that the black kid wasn’t censured for using epithets re: Jews. And the Jewish kid was white. No pokemon points for being Jewish.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Paperback Writer

    Any White person over the age of three who believes that they have a "black friend" deserves whatever they get.

    Reading his blathering posts about the incident, this McNeil guy does sound like the type of "smart dumbass" you'd imagine would get caught up in this.

    , @SFG
    @Paperback Writer

    It's complicated.

    You don't get any 'diversity' points because you're already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you're Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don't want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

    However, if you're born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there's a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.

    The 'diversity' racket in fact does not particularly help Jews (sorry Forward and Tikkun, nobody actually sees you as 'nonwhite' except white nationalists who hate you anyway-Your. Skin. Is. Pink.), but a lot of them actually believe the liberal BS and are surprised when it turns on them. (Look at Scott Alexander, who in his recent and IMHO quite perceptive advice to tell the GOP to talk about class as a way of weaponizing right-wing populism, says 'I hate you and you hate me'. Well, actually, Scott, practically everyone defending you in this NYT dustup was right of center. Sometimes people don't know who their friends are.)

    That it may have been a more complicated strategy to push the remaining white gentiles out of Harvard and the establishments of the pre-60s WASP elite I'm a little more agnostic about. It strikes me as the kind of thing that works really well until it blows up in your face, but then that's how I feel about short-selling stocks, and plenty of people do that for a living. So-make up your own mind on that one.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  19. @Ma Laoshi
    Oh wait, this is the guy of that video "How A Country Serious About Coronavirus Does Testing And Quarantine"! Yes, in a sea of charlatans, he knows what he's talking about--at least on the topic of his expertise.

    Still, mixed feelings about this. If you're with the NYT you know full well you're working for the enemy. Generations before anyone knew what "woke" was, it already was the toxic rag that's endorsed every American war and otherwise provided aid and comfort to the US establishment in every way possible. That kind of evil has a habit of turning on its servants. McNeil's talents would've been better used elsewhere.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Getaclue, @Ma Laoshi

    Yes with a flu like Cold Virus that 99.7% or more survive (unless you have 2 or more co-morbidities) even on totally cooked bs numbers recording “deaths” by gun shot etc. — let’s “quarantine” healthy people and destroy the World Economy to usher in starvation for 200 Million people so the “Elite” creeps can have their “Global Reset”on the clueless Peons — genius! “he knows what he’s talking about”…LOL — the NYSlimes eats their own and any sane person couldn’t care less.

    • Agree: BB753, Kyle, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    @Getaclue

    That McNeil video was early days but if you watched it, I think you'd discover his point to be that endless lockdowns indeed are mostly COVID theater--not a comprehensive policy. People in China were asked (well, given how the place works, more like told) to sacrifice; it worked, and starting from six weeks later they got their country back. I think I understand Westerners who are pissed-off at the COVID restrictions: after all, they're not being offered an endgame, and the only point of sacrifice seems to be even more sacrifice and control. Then again, endless American selfishness is also a thing, and it's finally catching up with you.

    Not directly related but it sorta fits the mood. To all those Trumpies who so eagerly followed the Donald's "We're all going after China and Chinese now": did it ever occur to you that a few more Asian-American votes might've come in handy?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  20. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so. Race is used as a canard to shame and ostracize only when the braying crowd turns.

    It is true at any point any white could possibly be turned on, but the reality is the elite whites know they can punch down any time they want and yell “look, white trash racists!” And lazy journalists follow the easy prey.

    Now if wokeness runs unabated this could become Zimbabwe. But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    >Jews and East Asians and South Asians (none of whom are white) will see any advantage whatsoever to them in saving whites, whom they see as an enemy
    You want to put money on that? Organizational Jews have already repeatedly responded to the blowback targeting of Jews by doubling down.
    >Steve said so
    Steve also thinks that antifa will be reined in at some point and that the lockdown is a medical thing which will graciously end once some threshold is passed, like masks or vaccination or whatever.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so.

     

    Good grief.

    But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.
     
    The anti-Semites here are so stupid and lazy that not only do they not read the source material (they just come here to spout off) they don't read comments such as mine above, which provide them the most important part of the source material.

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid's life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, "hostile Jewish elites" are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids' lives. Got that.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Bardon Kaldian, @ben tillman

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Keep telling yourself that. Slowly but surely the mob is turning. Think Harvey Weinstein. And he was not a gentile. It can happen to anyone. To be consistent in the politics, several Jews in authority will have to be sacrificed to the Woke mob if they suddenly turn on them for various sins of White Privilege.

    It can happen to anyone deemed as white and not a person of color.

    Should it hit critical mass, and more Jews in authority do become sacrificed than was expected, then yes, suddenly we will see some kind of lame excuses offered a la "Maybe not all whites are bad; perhaps we shouldn't be so hasty to run them all out of town on a rail, etc etc." Self survival and all that. But don't be surprised if many, many Jews do get sacrificed to the mob, should it decide to turn on them.

    After all, blacks don't see Jews as fellow blacks. So what color are they? They're just a bunch of whiteys.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  21. We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.

    Haha, that made me laugh. The Times still hasn’t returned the Pulitzer for the Russia collusion psy-op that was spoon fed to it by the CIA. It hasn’t apologized or cleaned out the CIA worms in its offices. They’re still there and running interference for the next hoax. McNeil may actually believe this puffed up nonsense about “making America what it is” but the truth is any licensed plumber has a better claim to that than a NYT reporter.

    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    @Bragadocious

    Yes, my point as well. I'm reminded of James Risen, who was badly persecuted by Obama for his natnl.-security journalism at the NYT. So then he's felt how things really work, and you'd think he might become a valuable sadder-but-wiser voice at The Intercept. And then? He goes on to scribble the most dogmatic RussiaGate tripe again and again.

    As if they desperately hope the Establishment will welcome them back. It must sting to find out they were only ever expendable pawns--I mean c'mon, they were with the friggin' NYT, surely it was all about them?!

    , @Barnard
    @Bragadocious

    I also thought that was the most important line. It would be better for the press in the long run if they dropped the sanctimonious lines about being the defenders of democracy. They might slowly regain some respect and trust from the public if they didn't still look down their noses at the rest of us and expect us to believe whatever "remember the Maine" type lies they print without asking questions. McNeil ultimately got what he deserved and what he gladly would have done to his right in order to "save democracy."

    Replies: @Ian M.

    , @HammerJack
    @Bragadocious

    Actually, they do make America what it is: A sad, pathetic shell of what it once was.

  22. @Not Raul
    @DextersLabRat


    Getting in a subtle dig in about how uncivilized Africans are when he got cancelled for ‘raycism’ is kind of based.
     
    I guess that the New York Times won’t be covering witch hunts anymore.

    Replies: @njguy73

    No, the Times will definitely keep covering witch hunts.

    You know that in 2032, there’s gonna be “The 1692 Project” about the 340th anniversary of the Salem Witch Trials, and how that made America a patriarchal regime.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @njguy73

    The Salem Witch Trials--hysterical White women who got all spooled up from listening to a niggro female's bullschitt.

    Plus ca change....

  23. This simp’s career began with reporting on witch hunts and ended with reporting on a mass hysteria. Fitting.

    See ya boomer.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    It's a flat-out masterpiece.

    And to think, I was living in West Germany when it came out. However, I was in a college town (Tübingen), where it was ignored.

    Over 30 years later, I bought it as part of a four-part DVD, including The Caine Mutiny, and saw it with my boy. However, we saw the "director's cut," which runs about four hours, rather than the three-hour theatrical version.

  24. @Ma Laoshi
    Oh wait, this is the guy of that video "How A Country Serious About Coronavirus Does Testing And Quarantine"! Yes, in a sea of charlatans, he knows what he's talking about--at least on the topic of his expertise.

    Still, mixed feelings about this. If you're with the NYT you know full well you're working for the enemy. Generations before anyone knew what "woke" was, it already was the toxic rag that's endorsed every American war and otherwise provided aid and comfort to the US establishment in every way possible. That kind of evil has a habit of turning on its servants. McNeil's talents would've been better used elsewhere.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Getaclue, @Ma Laoshi

    Just looked at some YouTube comments on that video (youtube.com/watch?v=e3gCbkeARbY) I mentioned. People were perplexed: an American journalist telling the truth? From the NYT? On TV? Is that still allowed? Just a matter of time in retrospect. Then again, on Unz I see that many Trumpies find anything true about China deeply offensive; hint: no need to protect the Donald’s re-election chances any more.

    Note also the running text in that vid: 41 US dead. What difference a year makes.

  25. My answer about standardized tests seemed to bother her the most. I understood her to be against ever using them, because they have cultural biases. I first answered with a joke: when I took the SAT in 1970, I said, one question was “What is this house made of?” The correct answer was “clapboard.” But I was from California and had never heard of clapboard, so I lost points — so the test was clearly biased against Californians, I said. I don’t remember her laughing. But I added that I thought such tests were still necessary, even if they were flawed. If you had 10,000 students applying to a school with 500 spots, how would you screen so many? I remember her suggesting that applicants should write essays and be interviewed. I said that was impossible, no school had enough money or time for that, so I thought at least some testing was inevitable.

    Ah, McNeal, you’re just not getting it. The whole point of getting rid of standardized tests is to offer a boost to two critical groups: the mediocre elite and Non-Asian POC. Don’t worry: No one is actually going to read those tests. They’ll just mark them for key shibboleths (How many times did they write #BLACKLIVESMATTER? Did they employ reverential capitalization when referring to Blacks? Did they use lower-case for Whites?).

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux


    My response was: “Careful — that sounds like ‘pick up the white man’s burden’ language.”
    She reacted sharply, saying, “What?!” She clearly thought I had said something racist.
    I explained: “It’s Kipling. ‘The White Man’s Burden.’ It’s a poem saying white people are obligated to civilize the world. When you say that, you’re sounding like one of those Victorian ladies who felt it was their job to speak for the poor benighted natives. In my experience, black and brown Americans are perfectly capable of speaking up for themselves.”
     
    Talk about digging your own grave. McNeil, Kipling is the antithesis of Woke. Any reference to either the man or to his work must be couched in condemnatory language. Neutral use of Kipling is a sign of thoughtcrime. Next time, play it safe and only quote Ibram X Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    , @HammerJack
    @syonredux

    No such question appeared on the SAT in 1970 or any other year. Unless there were photos and I missed it. Besides, houses aren't ever made of clapboard, they're covered with clapboards. Besides, the answers to SAT questions weren't divulged in the 1970s.

    Replies: @Alden

  26. Oh, the witch-hunting is just beginning.

    It’s now the official doctrine of state colleges in New York to throw students out if they believe that “a man is a man, and a woman is a woman”:

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/27/suny-geneseo-suspends-education-student-for-saying-a-man-is-a-man-a-woman-is-a-woman/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Dr. X

    Dr., Geneseo is, or was, considered to be a flagship college in the SUNY system. This is sad and what is sadder is that tenured professors who are harder to remove than a blood stain, are too afraid to say anything. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Dr. X

    NY taxpayers are witches hunted by De Blasio’s public schools.

    Due to under-demand for NYC teaching (babysitting) services, state taxpayers overpaid Gotham schools. But taxpayers will not be getting their money back.

    Naturally, school districts in the GOP parts of the state will claim their right to not issue refunds.

    Then American witches from far-&-near will be hunted, as the theft-in-plain-sight spreads.

    In NYC, enrollment has been officially down by 5%; in some of its schools 20%. (The actual, overall number is probably closer to 100%.)

    The schools get paid (per-student) in advance of the school year, based on estimates of how many kids will enroll. If the estimates turn out to be too high, the schools must give back the money.

    As the NYC school district is the biggest in the country, and its per-student funding is ~$27K (psf only accounts for 2/3 of tax funding), the district was on-the-hook for millions.

    Incidentally, in Washington’s current negotiations for virus-related stimulus, US schools are reportedly in line to receive another $121B.

    Meanwhile, in states like CA, where rural/urban districts were open/closed, rural assemblymen in Sacramento will note how urban schools were receiving more per kid. They will demand equality of pork, e.g. higher spending on local roads.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Dr. X


    “I want to take this opportunity to publicly restate my deep personal commitment to promoting social justice.”...wrote the university president in an email
     
    I don't know why they get upset at being called SJW's. The guy clearly considers himself to be one.
  27. @syonredux

    My answer about standardized tests seemed to bother her the most. I understood her to be against ever using them, because they have cultural biases. I first answered with a joke: when I took the SAT in 1970, I said, one question was “What is this house made of?” The correct answer was “clapboard.” But I was from California and had never heard of clapboard, so I lost points — so the test was clearly biased against Californians, I said. I don’t remember her laughing. But I added that I thought such tests were still necessary, even if they were flawed. If you had 10,000 students applying to a school with 500 spots, how would you screen so many? I remember her suggesting that applicants should write essays and be interviewed. I said that was impossible, no school had enough money or time for that, so I thought at least some testing was inevitable.
     
    Ah, McNeal, you're just not getting it. The whole point of getting rid of standardized tests is to offer a boost to two critical groups: the mediocre elite and Non-Asian POC. Don't worry: No one is actually going to read those tests. They'll just mark them for key shibboleths (How many times did they write #BLACKLIVESMATTER? Did they employ reverential capitalization when referring to Blacks? Did they use lower-case for Whites?).

    Replies: @syonredux, @HammerJack

    My response was: “Careful — that sounds like ‘pick up the white man’s burden’ language.”
    She reacted sharply, saying, “What?!” She clearly thought I had said something racist.
    I explained: “It’s Kipling. ‘The White Man’s Burden.’ It’s a poem saying white people are obligated to civilize the world. When you say that, you’re sounding like one of those Victorian ladies who felt it was their job to speak for the poor benighted natives. In my experience, black and brown Americans are perfectly capable of speaking up for themselves.”

    Talk about digging your own grave. McNeil, Kipling is the antithesis of Woke. Any reference to either the man or to his work must be couched in condemnatory language. Neutral use of Kipling is a sign of thoughtcrime. Next time, play it safe and only quote Ibram X Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @syonredux

    McNeil also has forgotten that Kipling was warning that anyone choosing to Pick Up The White Man's Burden will be pilloried and reviled.

  28. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter D. Bredon
    "If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions. When he writes, he chooses the bits that he thinks are important. And tiny shades of nuance can cast a whole story in a different light."

    Never talk to a "journalist." Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.

    Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Change that Matters

    Never talk to a “journalist.” Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.

    “Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink” —Martin Michael Lomasney (1859-1933), Boston Irish street gang leader, bootlegger, and later Boston politician

    “Never put it in email or text.”

    James Duane (B.A., J.D., Harvard), law professor and former federal prosecutor (“Never talk to law enforcement”):

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Anon

    "I have a degree in rhetoric, of course I'll email Nikole Hannah-Jones directly and get this sorted out!"

    In fairness, the degree to which McNeil seems to be out of touch with what was happening to him is amazing. Friends and even his ex-wife come out to try to make him understand and still he handles it in the worst ways. He wasn't quite taking the stand he ultimately did, he didn't understand what was happening.

    All he needed to do, publicly tell his side of the story, the exact context of explain it was a 15 year old JAP (Which, shockingly, he does do in the piece, he actually mentions she was Jewish, 15 and upper middle class as one assumes, almost all the students on these trips are, he only mentions 2 boys) and parents of Gen Zers (Gen Xers who have almost replaced Baby Boomers in power and prominence) would understand immediately. (As would Gen Z boys) And then maybe also mention the stuff about the head of HR, her husband and both being psychopaths who were opposed to him in union negotiations.

    But you start with that for god's sake. Everything else is just filler.

  29. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    Per a recent previous thread, it’s okay to be white when you’re chatting up a nice Japanese girl.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    @J.Ross

    That has been my experience. Getting laid without speaking the local lingo is the last bastion of white privilege.

  30. “If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions.”

    OK, but sometimes a journalist who tries to tell his own story has a fool for a client. And his problem here is that he’s putting together what reads like an exhaustive court document instead of telling his story in an accessible form. He needs the to-the-point Reader’s Digest version along with all the documentation, and for that maybe he did need someone else to ask him the salient questions and focus his thoughts.

    Nevertheless I’m sympathetic and plan to read through all this, and I can see why he doesn’t trust other journalists because look at what passes for journalism now, at his own newspaper. When I helped people tell their stories job one was to gain their trust. (And somewhere down the road you ask yourself if you trust them.)

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Known Fact

    He also lists every single interpersonal conflict he has ever had or reason for anyone to hate him at the NYT, which sum as a kind of auto character-assassination. This is supposed to be his defense piece! And much of it has a 'I have black friends' tone to it that just tends to accept the premise against him. It takes an age before he get to him defending the rights of his fellow staff in union negotiations.

    The best part is when he recounts his interview about the allegations and can't remember certain allegations (That are laughable even if true anyway) and then goes 'Aha, I remember now yes, actually but no...'. It just makes him look guilty even if the actual content doesn't. Remember, it doesn't matter what you say, it matters how people feel when they read something. He writes it like he is guilty, been proven guilty and has to overcome the allegations but most of them he presents himself! All that matters is, was the content in which he said 'nigger' racist or not. That's all, put that up first and then sperg away at the NYT.

    I can only conclude he has high functioning Asperger's and has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going on wrt younger Gen Y and Gen Z women and social media.

    Replies: @El Dato, @danand

  31. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so. Race is used as a canard to shame and ostracize only when the braying crowd turns.

    It is true at any point any white could possibly be turned on, but the reality is the elite whites know they can punch down any time they want and yell “look, white trash racists!” And lazy journalists follow the easy prey.

    Now if wokeness runs unabated this could become Zimbabwe. But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    >Jews and East Asians and South Asians (none of whom are white) will see any advantage whatsoever to them in saving whites, whom they see as an enemy
    You want to put money on that? Organizational Jews have already repeatedly responded to the blowback targeting of Jews by doubling down.
    >Steve said so
    Steve also thinks that antifa will be reined in at some point and that the lockdown is a medical thing which will graciously end once some threshold is passed, like masks or vaccination or whatever.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    The two biggest ethnic schisms in the US are black vs non-black and Jew vs goy. Deslite the best efforts of Jews to have their cake and eat it too, demonizing whiteness too much can be bad for the Jews insofar as Jews are deemed white.

    And the coalition of the fringes can only withstand so much blackness. As the last year has shown quite starkly, blacks are not content to be even equal partners in this coalition, let alone junior partners. Black narcissism is a dangerous golem that cannot easily be dialed back.

  32. @Bragadocious

    We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.

     

    Haha, that made me laugh. The Times still hasn't returned the Pulitzer for the Russia collusion psy-op that was spoon fed to it by the CIA. It hasn't apologized or cleaned out the CIA worms in its offices. They're still there and running interference for the next hoax. McNeil may actually believe this puffed up nonsense about "making America what it is" but the truth is any licensed plumber has a better claim to that than a NYT reporter.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Barnard, @HammerJack

    Yes, my point as well. I’m reminded of James Risen, who was badly persecuted by Obama for his natnl.-security journalism at the NYT. So then he’s felt how things really work, and you’d think he might become a valuable sadder-but-wiser voice at The Intercept. And then? He goes on to scribble the most dogmatic RussiaGate tripe again and again.

    As if they desperately hope the Establishment will welcome them back. It must sting to find out they were only ever expendable pawns–I mean c’mon, they were with the friggin’ NYT, surely it was all about them?!

  33. “ who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.”

    And then they came for the James Webb Space Telescope:

    The successor to the Hubble honors a man who took part in the effort to purge LGBT people from the federal workforce…

    NASA Needs to Rename the James Webb Space Telescope

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anon7

    From the *Scientific American* smugticle:


    Slated to launch later this year, JWST will peer more deeply into the universe than any optical or infrared telescope before it, promising to show us a vision of galaxies in their infancy and probe potentially habitable worlds.
     
    Why not call it "The Big Dark Prober"?

    But first things first: Miss Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an iSteve content generator

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an assistant professor of physics and core faculty in women's and gender studies at the University of New Hampshire. She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics and is the author of The Disordered Cosmos: A Journey into Dark Matter, Spacetime, and Dreams Deferred.

    Recent Articles: Sexual Misconduct Allegations against Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveal the Complexity of Academic Inequality

     

    I would never have thought I would say this but most of the non-applied physics sector seems to have become a living Sokal hoax and is in need of serious defunding. It's going to come anyway.

    Replies: @Anon7, @PiltdownMan

  34. Looks like a case of retirement-age professor syndrome:

    I got exasperated and said something like: “Look, I don’t accept the far-leftie notion that there’s this Manichean split: all the evil in the world is done by white men, Americans, the US government, the CIA, colonialism or whatever, and all the rest of the world — brown and black people, women, Latin America, Africa, etc. — are their victims. That was the line I heard at Berkeley 40 years ago when everyone read Max Weber and socialist countries actually existed and everyone was trying to prove they were more radical, more Communist, more Trotskyist, more Spartacist than each other.

    Yes, I said, Latin Americans drown in the Rio Grande — but they’re swimming north, trying to get into this country, not trying to get out. They don’t think we’re the Evil Empire. They think we’re a land of opportunity. of democracy, of relatively low crime compared to theirs…

    And colonialism is over. Most colonies freed themselves 50 years ago, in the 60’s.
    Apartheid is over too, though in the 1990’s.
    When I covered Africa, none of the countries were colonies. They were all self-governing.

    Latin American and African countries, I said, have to take some responsibility for their own futures. They can’t just say “It’s all America’s fault” or “it’s all because of colonialism.” They have to elect decent presidents, they have to fight corruption and straighten out their economies, they have to fight crime… And I said this isn’t just me that thinks this. Even Nelson Mandela went to Rwanda and Burundi and made a very harsh speech warning Hutus and Tutsis that they had to stop killing each other because they were giving bigoted whites an excuse to say Africans acted like animals.

    I said the same principle applies in the U.S. People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny. For example, yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. And, yes, some of them are there because of ridiculously unfair drug laws and arrests for petty crimes like turnstile-jumping and because of institutional racism. But some of them are there because they actually committed violent crimes. You can’t blame it all on institutional racism. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system. Some of them actually did what they’re accused of. And, I added, in my opinion, black teenagers don’t do themselves any favors by adopting the gangsta ethic — dressing like thugs, glorifying violence, beating up women. Nobody will hire you if you look like a thug — even Obama said “pull your pants up — there are grandmothers here.”

    A student interrupted to say something like: “Don’t you realize that they don’t have any choice? The system is rigged against them.”

    No, I answered, I really disagree with you. People DO have choices. We’re not still living in the age of slavery, we’re not still in Jim Crow, it’s not all rigged. We’ve had a black President, two black Supreme Court justices, many black members of Congress, governors, mayors. There are scholarship programs, there’s affirmative action. People need to take advantage of those things. (That’s where I gave the example we talked about. I said some conservative whites think affirmative action has gone on long enough, but I disagree. Slavery lasted 300 years.* You need more than a generation or two to make up for that damage, so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum. And that’s when I said affirmative action wouldn’t have succeeded when a super-smart black kid got into Harvard, it would have succeeded when a dumb black kid got into Harvard because his black grandfather had gone there, gotten rich and left Harvard a lot of money. Because that’s how people like George Bush got into college.)

    I said: Look, Americans don’t really understand what poverty is. Probably nobody at this table, and nobody they know, has dealt with real poverty by world standards. Poverty under the U.N. definition means living on less than $2 a day. The world’s bottom billion live like that. Lots of people in Africa and Asia do, some people in Peru do. But no one in the U.S. does — you can make a lot more than $2 begging on the subway, there are soup kitchens and food pantries. Poor people in the US don’t die of starvation, whereas I’ve been in villages in Cameroon, for example, where kids died because they lacked 50 cents worth of deworming medicine.

    I said, yeah, in my experience there was often tension between African or Caribbean immigrants and some black American because the former came from countries where everyone was black — the cops and the robbers, the rich and the poor, the corrupt pols and the honest ones, etc — and they saw America as a place full of opportunities and didn’t agree with the “I’m a victim, the system is rigged” viewpoint of some black Americans.

    I think I also told Leader 2 about my kids’ babysitter. She was from Grenada and a single mom. She really pushed her kids to excel, and they got into scholarship programs that sent them to Eastern prep schools. Her daughter was even the hockey team goalie. But when they came back to Brooklyn, their friends would accuse them of “acting white.” That depressed them and made them want to drop out. I thought that was incredibly destructive, I told her.

    But I did say later to the others — not in his presence — that his ceremony was obviously not strictly Incan, but included stuff from the Catholic mass. [Leader 3], who was sitting next to me, at first seemed shocked said “What are you talking about?” I said, “C’mon, [Leader 3], you’re Colombian. Weren’t you born Catholic? Did you go to Mass? He gave us the coca leaves to eat between two fingers exactly like Holy Communion. Red wine is not an Incan thing — it came from Europe. And that bell he kept ringing is the exact same little bell I rang as an altar boy.” And I think he agreed.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes, vhrm, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @syonredux

    How was McNeil ever able to survive that long at the NYT?

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG

    , @jon
    @syonredux


    so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum
     
    Haha, as if anything would be left if affirmative action lasted 300 years. Imagine the state of things after three centuries ...
  35. @Bragadocious

    We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.

     

    Haha, that made me laugh. The Times still hasn't returned the Pulitzer for the Russia collusion psy-op that was spoon fed to it by the CIA. It hasn't apologized or cleaned out the CIA worms in its offices. They're still there and running interference for the next hoax. McNeil may actually believe this puffed up nonsense about "making America what it is" but the truth is any licensed plumber has a better claim to that than a NYT reporter.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Barnard, @HammerJack

    I also thought that was the most important line. It would be better for the press in the long run if they dropped the sanctimonious lines about being the defenders of democracy. They might slowly regain some respect and trust from the public if they didn’t still look down their noses at the rest of us and expect us to believe whatever “remember the Maine” type lies they print without asking questions. McNeil ultimately got what he deserved and what he gladly would have done to his right in order to “save democracy.”

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    @Barnard

    Democracy just is rule by media: in a democracy, the media controls public opinion. So McNeil is basically correct.

    The death of democracy is something to be welcomed.

  36. @Peter D. Bredon
    "If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions. When he writes, he chooses the bits that he thinks are important. And tiny shades of nuance can cast a whole story in a different light."

    Never talk to a "journalist." Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.

    Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Change that Matters

    Pretty good advice there, Peter.

    The guy did write “bits”, but he’s talking about written journalism there. On TV, they just cut off parts of sentences even. My one and only experience being interviewed on TV ended up with the news people cutting off the last part of the only sentence they recorded, making my answer sound 180 degrees off what my whole sentence meant.

    OTOH, one time when I had a newspaper guy come talk to me about a story to be in the front page the next day, I told him first “I’m not gonna tell you anything because you guys always screw it up. That is, unless you let me edit it with you after you’re done.” I talked to him for an hour or so on the phone later, and he fixed all of the dozen or so things I told him were wrong. It was not about politics though…

  37. @anon
    Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so. …

    Walter Duranty no doubt would have answered pretty much the same. But y'know....

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles

    “Am I really an asshole? I don’t think so. …”

    Total asshole answer. You dont get to answer that question – other people do.

    Back in my early days of working, an older hand passed on this rule of thumb to me: “If one guy calls you an asshole, he’s probably the asshole; if five guys call you an asshole, you are probably an asshole.”

  38. Liberalism circa Woodrow Wilson: Fighting to make the world safe for Democracy

    Liberalism circa Joe Biden: Fighting to make the world safe for Mediocrity

  39. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so. Race is used as a canard to shame and ostracize only when the braying crowd turns.

    It is true at any point any white could possibly be turned on, but the reality is the elite whites know they can punch down any time they want and yell “look, white trash racists!” And lazy journalists follow the easy prey.

    Now if wokeness runs unabated this could become Zimbabwe. But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so.

    Good grief.

    But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    The anti-Semites here are so stupid and lazy that not only do they not read the source material (they just come here to spout off) they don’t read comments such as mine above, which provide them the most important part of the source material.

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid’s life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Paperback Writer

    The Jewish kid's life won't be "ruined" in the slightest, as I expect you know well.

    "S/he" won't even suffer the indignity of exposure. That's privilege.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paperback Writer


    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid’s life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.
     
    Yeah, but I was an anti-judaist, I would answer something like that: hostile Jewish elites either don't care for Jewish proles, or they are realistic- you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer


    And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.
     
    Not "hostile Jewish elites", plural. The organized Jewish community, singular, is the driving force behind mass immigration and all other anti-white political ideologies and movements. This scientific conclusion is supported by both theory and oodles of empirical evidence.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  40. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    OT: Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur - ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @North Carolina Resident, @AndrewR, @anonymous

    Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur – ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    That was David Tafuri.

    Did you notice Tucker’s montage of those supporting the bombing of Syria? Adam Schiff, Elissa Slotkin, Max Boot, Amy Siskind, Richard Haas… 😳 … oh boy, I’m noticing…
    …Jen Psaki, David French, 😅… phew, that was a close one. Tucker’s getting a little too close to the sun.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Anonymous


    Did you notice Tucker’s montage of those supporting the bombing of Syria? Adam Schiff, Elissa Slotkin, Max Boot, Amy Siskind, Richard Haas… 😳 … oh boy, I’m noticing…
    …Jen Psaki, David French, 😅… phew, that was a close one. Tucker’s getting a little too close to the sun.
     
    This is why Tucker Carlson is the answer to the hysterical Name The You Know Who crowd on the dissident Right, as it likes to refer to itself.

    They're the Right's answer to Wokesterism. Just as obnoxious.

    I do have to hand it to the dissident Right though. Because they're hands down the best example of a group of people who completely grasp the situation while totally missing the point. And the point is, after you've named them - then what?

    To this all important question they haven't a single new or useful answer. Not one!

    On the other hand, by directing attention to the specific actions of the hostile elite and the easily discernible patterns that inevitably emerge from those actions, Tucker will always be able to do way more, while reaching many more, than those who complain about him not going far enough.

    Perhaps this is the real reason for the dissident Right's disapproval of him. And not just the dissident Right.

  41. @Getaclue
    @Ma Laoshi

    Yes with a flu like Cold Virus that 99.7% or more survive (unless you have 2 or more co-morbidities) even on totally cooked bs numbers recording "deaths" by gun shot etc. -- let's "quarantine" healthy people and destroy the World Economy to usher in starvation for 200 Million people so the "Elite" creeps can have their "Global Reset"on the clueless Peons -- genius! "he knows what he's talking about"...LOL -- the NYSlimes eats their own and any sane person couldn't care less.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi

    That McNeil video was early days but if you watched it, I think you’d discover his point to be that endless lockdowns indeed are mostly COVID theater–not a comprehensive policy. People in China were asked (well, given how the place works, more like told) to sacrifice; it worked, and starting from six weeks later they got their country back. I think I understand Westerners who are pissed-off at the COVID restrictions: after all, they’re not being offered an endgame, and the only point of sacrifice seems to be even more sacrifice and control. Then again, endless American selfishness is also a thing, and it’s finally catching up with you.

    Not directly related but it sorta fits the mood. To all those Trumpies who so eagerly followed the Donald’s “We’re all going after China and Chinese now”: did it ever occur to you that a few more Asian-American votes might’ve come in handy?

    • Thanks: Abe
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Ma Laoshi


    it worked,
     
    What evidence do you have for that statement?

    The Chinese Govt did not create the illusion of a pandemic by using RT-PCR testing.

    That's "What worked".

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @DCThrowback

  42. OT: I really don’t like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @wren

    So why doesn’t Brennan start to transition already ... he can take beauty tips from that Levine thingy.

    , @El Dato
    @wren

    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles, @wren, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    If John Brennan were in SAG, he'd probably get a lot of work. He 'd be typecast as the corrupt, thuggish police commissioner, CEO, military general, or CIA head.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Rich
    @wren

    We're pretty embarrassed to have people consider him to be a White male. There must be a Negro somewhere in the woodpile. Maybe Grampa Brensky changed the family name when he escaped his shtetl?

    , @Daniel H
    @wren

    Brennan talks like a fag.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @wren

    , @Dan Hayes
    @wren

    I'm ashamed to admit it but Brennan has the physiognomy of Paddy's Pig!

  43. @Michelle
    I ...just.... can't...read..his ... articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Wade Hampton, @Anonymous

    I agree. I don’t feel one ounce of sorrow for what happened to him.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Change that Matters

    Yes, I agree with both you and Michelle.

    As I am scrolling through the comments thinking about this former NYT stooge, I can' t help but recall the numerous and varied accounts written by those who witnessed zeks and former nomenkltura types when first arrested by the KGB.

    Most if not all screamed, "but this is a mistake! I'm a loyal Party man! Stalin must be told of this outrage, he will put it right!"

    Often this was said during the initial interrogation when the beatings and torture started.

    Yes, they all loved Father Stalin. A few even for a while in the camps. Blind faith is tough to overcome, when it is coupled with hope.

    Ordinary people -- too stupid to understand things -- and enablers -- those who support the regime due to personal benefits, often fall into this psychological blind alley. Easier to believe in "mistakes" than in your own blindness or shocking stupidity. More comforting.

    If we live long enough, we may still see the Woke mavens of thought control whine and complain about how unfair it is for them to be cancelled too. Never forgive, never forget.

    , @Michelle
    @Change that Matters

    I agree! I actually cancelled my NYT subscription in solidarity. After reading his column, I am sorry I did.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman

  44. Poor baby. He thought the crocodile would eat him last.

    Let the sob burn. He was part of a Marxist-pushing propaganda paper for 45 years. Then he got caught in one of the purges that, had he been younger, he would have led.

    Boo fucking hoo, I say.

    Let the commies eat their own, and don’t lift a finger to help those who get eaten. They’re getting a small fraction of what they deserve.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  45. @Peter D. Bredon
    "If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions. When he writes, he chooses the bits that he thinks are important. And tiny shades of nuance can cast a whole story in a different light."

    Never talk to a "journalist." Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.

    Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Change that Matters

    About 20 years ago, my employer required I do some media training.

    One of the first things out of the trainer’s mouth was, “No journalist is your friend.” He repeated this many times. I have never forgotten it.

    And yes, never talk to pilchard suckers.

  46. We make America what it is

    What pretentious douche-bags these journalists are.

    — without a free press, democracy dies.

    Really? Is that what we have – a free press? Is that what we ever had?

  47. One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.

    Yes, I’ve thought from the beginning that’s probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin’s Great Purge, Mao’s Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you’ll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    • Thanks: Jim Christian, Clyde, Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Ron Unz

    Not just left-wing takeovers, either. A lot of the killings in 1965-1966 Indonesia were really about petty elites settling scores rather than anything ideological, especially later on.

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Ron Unz

    I'm sure a few heretics were burned at the stake over personal disputes. But that just goes to show how strong the One Holy Truth is in a given age. In our age, it's Anti-Whitism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKk_e_-b7z8

    Is this the final solution?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Ron Unz

    Just we've seen in the Twitter and Facebook purges, the current "woke" mentality has provided a convenient excuse to kick people off they didn't want on their for other reasons.

    This is why Vox Day is so against companies having "Codes of Conduct", which are just covers so that triggered SJWs can get rid of people who have upset them so for not being like them.

    Selective prosecution, both publicly and privately, is one of the worst abuses of justice today.

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Ron Unz


    the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944
     
    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on "collaborators". Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings. In actuality, these attacks were not spontaneous, but mostly organised by French Communist cells. Those attacked and murdered were mostly political opponents, personal enemies or people they hated. Few were real "collaborators".

    Some historians claimed that this was merely part of a larger plan by the French Communist Party to effect a coup, but this was thwarted by allied troops controlling the borders. That's how I remember the story 30 years ago. It had been a taboo subject in France until the mid-1980s ( I think ) . Even then I could only locate a few sources.

    I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ron Unz

    Among the most tragic victims during CR was Peng Dehuai, Commander of People’s Volunteer Army in Korea. Supposedly for his criticism of Mao after Great Leap Forward.

    But the real reason as many surmised, is Peng’s failure in Korea to protect Mao’s stud eldest son, Mao Anying, who was fluent in Russian and served with Soviet Army.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Anying

  48. Interesting fact about the trip was the sex ratio. There were 20 teenage girls and only 2 boys. That’s quite a skew. None of the controversial exchanges McNeil describes involved males. I bet the only complainants were female. Not enough has been said about how overwhelmingly female the woke phenomenon is. The more female the institution the more woke. Women’s colleges and liberal arts colleges without heavily male faculties of engineering appear to be the most woke.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Altai
    @eded

    That's a pretty normal ratio though for that kind of trip. It would never occur to a teenage boy to try and destroy the reputation of somebody like this.

    Social media has mediated the 'great awokening'. A giant feedback loop was created that joined academia to Tumblr to mainstream social media and again to academia (When the formerly 15 year old Tumblrists entered university, each cohort having to become more radical or myopic in order to have somewhere to campaign). The cohorts of girls who crucially went through their entire adolescence with smart phones have had their entire moral socialisation outsourced to whatever was the dominant ethos pushed on social media by the most cohesive group. Their peer group they sought to be 'okay' with was pushed from outside the real world to an infinite one that had no brakes on runaway moral panic.

    The internet has gone from one where Ron Paul was 'The internet's candidate' (Because autistic young men were the primary content creators and power users) to one where young women with cluster B personality disorder reign supreme through being the power users of social media. Social media is the biggest online multiplayer game ever conceived and it's young women who are the most dominant by far players. But we don't take young men shooting each other in online FPS games as seriously demonstrating murderous tendencies, for some inexplicable reason despite nobody, not even themselves, taking the moral posturing of 15 year olds girls seriously, we take their online game as being deathly serious and the basis of the total dismantling of Western society.

    The Simpson's even understood this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnRt_JEoBRU

    GamerGate could be argued to be a flashpoint for this change as a group with a core (But hardly majority in terms of overall numbers) power userbase of autistic males got into a conflict with a group with a core (But also augmented by many others, including outsider MSM) of young women with BPD. No two groups of people were less capable of communicating or understanding each other.

  49. I just read through almost all of that crap, skimming a little bit when Mr. McNeil got repetitive when going on and on about the hearings. Here’s what I get out of it.

    1) Yes, the union/management negotiations could have made him a future target. I guess the guild people were too scare of wokeness to back him.

    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors. He had a good time and got good reviews the year before (’18) because it was an adventure trip, but not this one to support indigenous medical care* and other bullshit tour. Go figure. He said he had a 90 minute political discussion with the kids, which caused his grief later. That was a really BAD IDEA! Does he know who young women from expensive private non-Christian high schools are versus the same from 1965, hell 2005?

    3) That inquisition by the lawyer Charlotte and others sound straight out of 1984, the part just before they let the rat out of his cage to gnaw on your face.

    4) His having to worry about every word you say is and having to go through and explain every little joke and argument to a lawyer later just makes me glad I’m not in that world.

    5) I laughed at that part in Peru about no disrespect meant to the Shaman, just getting up because my butt was sore. He should have heard us in Boy Scouts during the Order of the Arrow ceremony. A number of us were making fun of all that “oh Spirit of Winter, be gentle in your anger …” shit during the ceremony and for days afterwards at the camporee. Oops, don’t tell my employer.

    .

    * It was very ironic how Mr. McNeil had a big disagreement about whether he would get Medivac insurance paid for (for a Lear Jet trip back to the US in case of a serious illness or injury) when the trip was about those indigenous people who are wiser and better than us with their own indigenously special health care. Mr. McNeil was simply not up for that, had he been the victim of an attempted cannibalization or some such thing.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors
     
    Actually, McNeil sounds like a cuck. Remember, this the guy who now says that “of course systemic racism exists.” I was only misunderstood!

    I’d say that during the imbroglio with the Times, McNeil’s error came in not being truthful enough (rather than in being too truthful), both in the internal struggle and in the PR one. All of his little half truths come off as not credible and weak.

    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose? And if you’re going to give up your job, why not go out landing some blows in the name of truth?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @I, Libertine

    , @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I guess the guild people were too scare of wokeness to back him.
     
    So much for "solidarity forever". "Eat me last", the guild people cried out to the wolves. But I wouldn't count on that happening. "First they came for the old white men like McNeil, but I wasn't an old white man so... hey wait a second I AM an old white man...."

    His having to worry about every word you say is and having to go through and explain every little joke and argument to a lawyer later just makes me glad I’m not in that world.
     
    I always tell my clients that before they write anything down or say anything, they should imagine that they are sitting at a deposition and opposing counsel is reading their words back to them in a sarcastic tone and asking them to explain what they meant. What seemed like a joke when you wrote it to your old friend Billy Bob suddenly doesn't seem so funny when Charlotte reads it back and asks you to dissect it word by word.
  50. Anti-White hatred has been going on for generations, but it’s now so obvious that even the village idiot can’t claim it’s “chicken little” to point it out.

    Everyone admits the hatred directed at White children. But for the last 50 years, we’ve had Really Smart White guys, often from the midwest, who thought their okie dokie, Good Doggie, Tom Hanks’ persona would win the day (usually by throwing other White people under the bus).

    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I’m afraid it’s the “White enclave” effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their “high principles” and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @RichardTaylor


    As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their “high principles” and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.
     
    Please explain what you mean by the language in bold.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @RichardTaylor

    I ran out of [Thanks]'s and so on, but thanks for that comment, Mr. Taylor.

    I will add that any Chicken Little who points that out now is at the risk of getting his virtual neck wrung. That's what it's come to after those 50 years of White people just going along to get along.

    , @Clyde
    @RichardTaylor


    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I’m afraid it’s the “White enclave” effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their “high principles” and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.
     
    Your final paragraph is especially good. This is the first time I have seen this explanation.
  51. One overlooked aspect of this story is the clash between the “global minded”, yet sheltered and naïve young people and McNeil the actual cosmopolitan. Many people are “global minded” but they are not real cosmopolitans.

    McNeil describes how the students and their trip leaders romanticized these foreign cultures. McNeil who’d worked in 60 different countries and lived abroad was having none of it and criticized their sentimental views. It can be quite a shock to actually speak with someone who has lived abroad in the developing world. It was for me when I was a kid.

    Here is an interesting passage where he describes a conversation with one of the teenagers:

    I said: “Sophie, I’m sorry things got heated last night. I understand your point of view. A lot of it used to be mine, too. Like I said, I went to U.C. Santa Cruz and Berkeley back in the 1970’s, when everything was about socialism. But 40 years of life and reporting in 60 countries has taught me that life is more nuanced than that. These issues aren’t that simple. They’re more complicated.”
    She replied, sounding a little distressed and a little bitter, I thought: “When did you begin thinking like that?”
    I said: “Piece by piece, not all at once. Over 40 years. Look, I’d love to talk to you again 40 years from now and see if your thinking has changed at all. But I can’t — I’ll be dead.”

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
  52. I can’t help but wonder if one of the mistakes McNeil made was overestimating the maturity of the students and speaking to them as adults.

    They are not like teenagers of the 70s or 80s they’re more sheltered and immature.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  53. @Ron Unz

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.
     
    Yes, I've thought from the beginning that's probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you'll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @RichardTaylor, @R.G. Camara, @Verymuchalive, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Not just left-wing takeovers, either. A lot of the killings in 1965-1966 Indonesia were really about petty elites settling scores rather than anything ideological, especially later on.

  54. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    OT: Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur - ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @North Carolina Resident, @AndrewR, @anonymous

    What’s the real reason?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @North Carolina Resident


    What’s the real reason?
     
    Nobody knows. It's just a complete mystery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6fGFmzgmbw

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AIPAC+speakers

    Replies: @Altai

  55. @syonredux
    Looks like a case of retirement-age professor syndrome:

    I got exasperated and said something like: “Look, I don’t accept the far-leftie notion that there’s this Manichean split: all the evil in the world is done by white men, Americans, the US government, the CIA, colonialism or whatever, and all the rest of the world — brown and black people, women, Latin America, Africa, etc. — are their victims. That was the line I heard at Berkeley 40 years ago when everyone read Max Weber and socialist countries actually existed and everyone was trying to prove they were more radical, more Communist, more Trotskyist, more Spartacist than each other.
     

    Yes, I said, Latin Americans drown in the Rio Grande — but they’re swimming north, trying to get into this country, not trying to get out. They don’t think we’re the Evil Empire. They think we’re a land of opportunity. of democracy, of relatively low crime compared to theirs…
     

    And colonialism is over. Most colonies freed themselves 50 years ago, in the 60’s.
    Apartheid is over too, though in the 1990’s.
    When I covered Africa, none of the countries were colonies. They were all self-governing.
     

    Latin American and African countries, I said, have to take some responsibility for their own futures. They can’t just say “It’s all America’s fault” or “it’s all because of colonialism.” They have to elect decent presidents, they have to fight corruption and straighten out their economies, they have to fight crime… And I said this isn’t just me that thinks this. Even Nelson Mandela went to Rwanda and Burundi and made a very harsh speech warning Hutus and Tutsis that they had to stop killing each other because they were giving bigoted whites an excuse to say Africans acted like animals.
     

    I said the same principle applies in the U.S. People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny. For example, yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. And, yes, some of them are there because of ridiculously unfair drug laws and arrests for petty crimes like turnstile-jumping and because of institutional racism. But some of them are there because they actually committed violent crimes. You can’t blame it all on institutional racism. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system. Some of them actually did what they’re accused of. And, I added, in my opinion, black teenagers don’t do themselves any favors by adopting the gangsta ethic — dressing like thugs, glorifying violence, beating up women. Nobody will hire you if you look like a thug — even Obama said “pull your pants up — there are grandmothers here.”
     

    A student interrupted to say something like: “Don’t you realize that they don’t have any choice? The system is rigged against them.”

     


    No, I answered, I really disagree with you. People DO have choices. We’re not still living in the age of slavery, we’re not still in Jim Crow, it’s not all rigged. We’ve had a black President, two black Supreme Court justices, many black members of Congress, governors, mayors. There are scholarship programs, there’s affirmative action. People need to take advantage of those things. (That’s where I gave the example we talked about. I said some conservative whites think affirmative action has gone on long enough, but I disagree. Slavery lasted 300 years.* You need more than a generation or two to make up for that damage, so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum. And that’s when I said affirmative action wouldn’t have succeeded when a super-smart black kid got into Harvard, it would have succeeded when a dumb black kid got into Harvard because his black grandfather had gone there, gotten rich and left Harvard a lot of money. Because that’s how people like George Bush got into college.)
     

    I said: Look, Americans don’t really understand what poverty is. Probably nobody at this table, and nobody they know, has dealt with real poverty by world standards. Poverty under the U.N. definition means living on less than $2 a day. The world’s bottom billion live like that. Lots of people in Africa and Asia do, some people in Peru do. But no one in the U.S. does — you can make a lot more than $2 begging on the subway, there are soup kitchens and food pantries. Poor people in the US don’t die of starvation, whereas I’ve been in villages in Cameroon, for example, where kids died because they lacked 50 cents worth of deworming medicine.

     


    I said, yeah, in my experience there was often tension between African or Caribbean immigrants and some black American because the former came from countries where everyone was black — the cops and the robbers, the rich and the poor, the corrupt pols and the honest ones, etc — and they saw America as a place full of opportunities and didn’t agree with the “I’m a victim, the system is rigged” viewpoint of some black Americans.

     


    I think I also told Leader 2 about my kids’ babysitter. She was from Grenada and a single mom. She really pushed her kids to excel, and they got into scholarship programs that sent them to Eastern prep schools. Her daughter was even the hockey team goalie. But when they came back to Brooklyn, their friends would accuse them of “acting white.” That depressed them and made them want to drop out. I thought that was incredibly destructive, I told her.
     

    But I did say later to the others — not in his presence — that his ceremony was obviously not strictly Incan, but included stuff from the Catholic mass. [Leader 3], who was sitting next to me, at first seemed shocked said “What are you talking about?” I said, “C’mon, [Leader 3], you’re Colombian. Weren’t you born Catholic? Did you go to Mass? He gave us the coca leaves to eat between two fingers exactly like Holy Communion. Red wine is not an Incan thing — it came from Europe. And that bell he kept ringing is the exact same little bell I rang as an altar boy.” And I think he agreed.
     

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @jon

    How was McNeil ever able to survive that long at the NYT?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Dan Hayes

    Because the descent into woke madness took place so fast.

    I say, let's just get it over with. Make every white middle-aged NYT reporter go to Williams College and hang out at dorm bull sessions. Make him stay until the kids have recorded enough to nail him. Shouldn't take very long.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @SFG
    @Dan Hayes

    It's an interesting question. My best guess is being that involved with the union probably protected him for a while, until as Mr. Unz says management realized they could use wokeness to get rid of him.

    I suspect a lot of this 'white male bad' stuff is so eagerly embraced by corporations because they have a large bunch of Gen-X and Boomer older white middle management who are expensive, and 'diversity' is a nice excuse to get rid of them and hire new younger, cheaper, diverse employees.

    Follow the money.

    Replies: @JMcG

  56. One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist…

    Fat lot of good that did him! What did he get for his four decades of dues?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Newspaper Guild is absolutely not a labor union. It’s a Guild, of extremely well educated ultra idiot intellectual upper middle class thought leaders and influencers. Platoists or the natural born aristocrats leading the masses onward and upward to whatever. Or so they claim. The Guild is lucky to keep basic health insurance for its ever dwindling membership.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  57. @Charles St. Charles
    @Dan Hayes


    Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!
     
    No, it was a White hunt.

    Someday Chinese historians will write of the infamous American White Hunts of the 21st Century.

    If the blacks win, there will be no one who can write history. Except they are not smart enough to hold off the Chinese once we are gone, so some version will be written, in pictographs.

    Replies: @jon

    If the blacks win

    That’s the one thing we all know won’t happen. The only real question is if the future leaders will be Lee-Goldbergs or Goldberg-Lees.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jon

    If the Blacks won in South Africa, they can win in the United States.

    Jewish groups tend to be servants of the government, not the government itself. They act as brains and technicians for some brutal group that needs them, South Africa being an example. The pre-Civil War was another example. In the present case, the brutal group is the Blacks. Note that the "can't win" Black group now dominates the Federal Government through judicial and academic interpretations of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    It's true that the Blacks are living in almost uninhabitable cities, and the cities will deteriorate sharply from the present on, but what Blacks apparently want is to be free to act naturally, most particularly to allow the young men to fight it out with each other, the old men (who have been tested by fights during their youth) to act as autocratic authority figures, and the women to manage subsistence and child rearing (primarily through government payments in the US). It's a workable human ecology, and is widespread in Africa. It is also insensitive to high rates of injury and death, and at least avoids the always increasing levels of mutational load that the European human ecology tends to impose. Remember reading about the Hapsburgs?

    Such a simple and rugged economy can be provided by a fairly small group of professional politicians, provided long enough to destroy the present US infrastructure. Or perhaps "can be" should have been written "has been".

    If you wander into a serious conflict thinking "the opposition can't win", you've already lost. If you want a live example that won't harm you, try playing any competitive game, Checkers to Chess, while thinking that your opposition can't win.

  58. We can befriend you for years, and then bite off your arm just as you’re offering us a treat. We can’t help it. It’s the nature of the job.

    What the hell is he talking about here?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon



    We can befriend you for years, and then bite off your arm just as you’re offering us a treat. We can’t help it. It’s the nature of the job.
     
    What the hell is he talking about here?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFS-Dlfgkc
  59. @Ron Unz

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.
     
    Yes, I've thought from the beginning that's probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you'll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @RichardTaylor, @R.G. Camara, @Verymuchalive, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’m sure a few heretics were burned at the stake over personal disputes. But that just goes to show how strong the One Holy Truth is in a given age. In our age, it’s Anti-Whitism.

    Is this the final solution?

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @RichardTaylor

    If you believe in the current orthodoxy, the destruction or enslavement of Whites is the only logical conclusion.

    Current orthodoxy:

    1) Racism is evil and the cause of all group inequality.

    2) Racism is caused by whites either consciously (open racism) or unconsciously (systemic racism)

    3) So long as Whites as a group do better (but not worse) than any other group, that is proof of White racism and measures must be intensified to combat White racism.

    Now, since in reality there are, of course, genetic group differences, those outcomes will continue no matter how harsh the punishment if you allow White even a modicum of freedom. This means that to stop White racism you must either eliminate Whites - who, in their minds, are unwilling or incapable of giving up their racism - or you enslave them to prevent Whites from being racist.

    Ever more vicious punishments of Whites will come because group difference will persist. The only way that can't happen is for the Woke to abandon their religion, which won't happen.

    We know exactly what the other side is going to do. The only question is what Whites will do as the punishments get more extreme.

    The other big question is whether Jews can convince their POC allies that Jews are also just another victim group and not White. If Jews can't convince the POC mercenaries that Jews aren't White, well, the attack of Whites will slow or even stop because Jews would be considered White.

    Personally, I think that Whites should fight back rather than hoping that Jews someday discover that it's "Good for the Jews" to stop the anti-White agenda. (Btw, that's been Steve's strategy for years, i.e. trying to convince Jews that the anti-White agenda isn't in their best interests. You'll notice that it hasn't been that successful.)

  60. @Ron Unz

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.
     
    Yes, I've thought from the beginning that's probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you'll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @RichardTaylor, @R.G. Camara, @Verymuchalive, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Just we’ve seen in the Twitter and Facebook purges, the current “woke” mentality has provided a convenient excuse to kick people off they didn’t want on their for other reasons.

    This is why Vox Day is so against companies having “Codes of Conduct”, which are just covers so that triggered SJWs can get rid of people who have upset them so for not being like them.

    Selective prosecution, both publicly and privately, is one of the worst abuses of justice today.

    • Agree: Travis
  61. jon says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    I read McNeil’s posts. I can see why people want to make this all about “another white man silenced by Wokeness.” I think that’s a superficial reading of the situation.

    Whenever you write “I don’t think I’m an @sshole,” early in an article, that leads me to believe that a lot of people do think you are an @sshole. If you get on the wrong side of many of your bosses and coworkers, you are asking for trouble. And that appears to me to be what happened to McNeil. In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    It’s a sh!tty reality of the working world that office politics exists and more often than not, popularity trumps competence. But, that’s the way the world works, unfortunately.

    Replies: @jon, @Tono Bungay, @Jack D, @Up2Drew

    In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    Even if racism is a convenient reason, it is one being used to mass-purge Whites for being assholes, lazy, whatever. Without racism there might not be enough convenient excuses to get rid of so many of us.

    • Agree: Kyle
  62. I can feel for the frustration he must have felt, the choking sensation, the wriggling in his straitjacket. It’s like the classic bind where someone says, “You’re being stubborn” and if you say a word in response it’s just taken as more proof that see, you are being stubborn.

    So along with classic archetypal themes such as Man vs. Man and Man vs. Nature, we now have Man vs. HR.

    • LOL: Abe, Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Known Fact


    It’s like the classic bind where someone says, “You’re being stubborn” and if you say a word in response it’s just taken as more proof that see, you are being stubborn.
     
    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.

    Also, his jackal analogy reminds me of the frog and the scorpion.

    Replies: @FPD72

  63. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:

    It is really stupid to post this. It had already died down. His initial instincts were right, to ignore it.

    Nobody’s going to read this stream-of-consciousness 20,000-word turd. But now his enemies have fuel to reignite the fire, and plenty of verbiage to scan for short, self-incriminating nuggets.

    If his attorneys think he has a case, let them handle it in court. And shut up. There is nothing you can write, nothing you can say that will win against a guerrilla online mob. Just let it die, and let it stay dead.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    It is really stupid to post this. It had already died down. His initial instincts were right, to ignore it.

     

    I think you're right. I read most of it, and McNeil doesn't come off nearly as well as he no doubt thinks he does.

    His great drifts of boomersplaining will change no minds among the Wokerati, and he's given them lots and lots of not-all-that-well-written fuel for his own pyre.
    , @Barnard
    @Anon

    He is too arrogant to let it go. McNeil considers himself in his position at the N.Y. Times as the equivalent of a member of the college of Cardinals in 15th Century Rome. How dare some peon take that away from him. These people truly think their opinions are the most important in the world and it is their duty to cover the news in a certain way in order to manipulate the public into thinking and believing the "right" thoughts. That he isn't a good writer in the first place would be completely lost on him, how dare anyone say that, he worked for the N.Y. Times for 45 years.

  64. This guy’s tone and everything else won’t help his case at all with the people who are after him and, of course, barely anyone was going to try to defend him anyway.

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That’s all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don’t use ‘n-word’ but nothing else.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Altai


    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That’s all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don’t use ‘n-word’ but nothing else.
     
    Why did he even agree to resign? Huge payout?
    , @Known Fact
    @Altai


    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows.
     
    Your several comments expanded very well on my initial impression -- he needed someone to work with him to shape this testimony, a writer who could play the role of reader, because he's too wrapped up in it all.

    I'm guessing he's an excellent reporter but perhaps not so great a writer. He's so determined to be forthright, honest and detailed that he just keeps digging himself in deeper -- you can almost see how this same thing happened when he was blathering away in those Peru discussion sessions.

    It's sad that he was brought down by an absurd sidebar to his career -- not his actual work but some tragicomic expedition into the heart of darkness. It's also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Altai

    I started reading and gave up. It's long, boring, disorganized, stilted, and packed with irrelevant minutiae. The guy is no storyteller, that's for sure.

  65. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    With no prejudice toward the merits of firing him I will say his Medium posts are banner examples for the argument these guys need harsh editing. He said it was vetted by two lawyers, but did he run it past any writers?

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anonymous

    It's really badly-organized.

  66. @syonredux
    Looks like a case of retirement-age professor syndrome:

    I got exasperated and said something like: “Look, I don’t accept the far-leftie notion that there’s this Manichean split: all the evil in the world is done by white men, Americans, the US government, the CIA, colonialism or whatever, and all the rest of the world — brown and black people, women, Latin America, Africa, etc. — are their victims. That was the line I heard at Berkeley 40 years ago when everyone read Max Weber and socialist countries actually existed and everyone was trying to prove they were more radical, more Communist, more Trotskyist, more Spartacist than each other.
     

    Yes, I said, Latin Americans drown in the Rio Grande — but they’re swimming north, trying to get into this country, not trying to get out. They don’t think we’re the Evil Empire. They think we’re a land of opportunity. of democracy, of relatively low crime compared to theirs…
     

    And colonialism is over. Most colonies freed themselves 50 years ago, in the 60’s.
    Apartheid is over too, though in the 1990’s.
    When I covered Africa, none of the countries were colonies. They were all self-governing.
     

    Latin American and African countries, I said, have to take some responsibility for their own futures. They can’t just say “It’s all America’s fault” or “it’s all because of colonialism.” They have to elect decent presidents, they have to fight corruption and straighten out their economies, they have to fight crime… And I said this isn’t just me that thinks this. Even Nelson Mandela went to Rwanda and Burundi and made a very harsh speech warning Hutus and Tutsis that they had to stop killing each other because they were giving bigoted whites an excuse to say Africans acted like animals.
     

    I said the same principle applies in the U.S. People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny. For example, yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. And, yes, some of them are there because of ridiculously unfair drug laws and arrests for petty crimes like turnstile-jumping and because of institutional racism. But some of them are there because they actually committed violent crimes. You can’t blame it all on institutional racism. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system. Some of them actually did what they’re accused of. And, I added, in my opinion, black teenagers don’t do themselves any favors by adopting the gangsta ethic — dressing like thugs, glorifying violence, beating up women. Nobody will hire you if you look like a thug — even Obama said “pull your pants up — there are grandmothers here.”
     

    A student interrupted to say something like: “Don’t you realize that they don’t have any choice? The system is rigged against them.”

     


    No, I answered, I really disagree with you. People DO have choices. We’re not still living in the age of slavery, we’re not still in Jim Crow, it’s not all rigged. We’ve had a black President, two black Supreme Court justices, many black members of Congress, governors, mayors. There are scholarship programs, there’s affirmative action. People need to take advantage of those things. (That’s where I gave the example we talked about. I said some conservative whites think affirmative action has gone on long enough, but I disagree. Slavery lasted 300 years.* You need more than a generation or two to make up for that damage, so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum. And that’s when I said affirmative action wouldn’t have succeeded when a super-smart black kid got into Harvard, it would have succeeded when a dumb black kid got into Harvard because his black grandfather had gone there, gotten rich and left Harvard a lot of money. Because that’s how people like George Bush got into college.)
     

    I said: Look, Americans don’t really understand what poverty is. Probably nobody at this table, and nobody they know, has dealt with real poverty by world standards. Poverty under the U.N. definition means living on less than $2 a day. The world’s bottom billion live like that. Lots of people in Africa and Asia do, some people in Peru do. But no one in the U.S. does — you can make a lot more than $2 begging on the subway, there are soup kitchens and food pantries. Poor people in the US don’t die of starvation, whereas I’ve been in villages in Cameroon, for example, where kids died because they lacked 50 cents worth of deworming medicine.

     


    I said, yeah, in my experience there was often tension between African or Caribbean immigrants and some black American because the former came from countries where everyone was black — the cops and the robbers, the rich and the poor, the corrupt pols and the honest ones, etc — and they saw America as a place full of opportunities and didn’t agree with the “I’m a victim, the system is rigged” viewpoint of some black Americans.

     


    I think I also told Leader 2 about my kids’ babysitter. She was from Grenada and a single mom. She really pushed her kids to excel, and they got into scholarship programs that sent them to Eastern prep schools. Her daughter was even the hockey team goalie. But when they came back to Brooklyn, their friends would accuse them of “acting white.” That depressed them and made them want to drop out. I thought that was incredibly destructive, I told her.
     

    But I did say later to the others — not in his presence — that his ceremony was obviously not strictly Incan, but included stuff from the Catholic mass. [Leader 3], who was sitting next to me, at first seemed shocked said “What are you talking about?” I said, “C’mon, [Leader 3], you’re Colombian. Weren’t you born Catholic? Did you go to Mass? He gave us the coca leaves to eat between two fingers exactly like Holy Communion. Red wine is not an Incan thing — it came from Europe. And that bell he kept ringing is the exact same little bell I rang as an altar boy.” And I think he agreed.
     

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @jon

    so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum

    Haha, as if anything would be left if affirmative action lasted 300 years. Imagine the state of things after three centuries …

  67. anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I just read through almost all of that crap, skimming a little bit when Mr. McNeil got repetitive when going on and on about the hearings. Here's what I get out of it.

    1) Yes, the union/management negotiations could have made him a future target. I guess the guild people were too scare of wokeness to back him.

    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors. He had a good time and got good reviews the year before ('18) because it was an adventure trip, but not this one to support indigenous medical care* and other bullshit tour. Go figure. He said he had a 90 minute political discussion with the kids, which caused his grief later. That was a really BAD IDEA! Does he know who young women from expensive private non-Christian high schools are versus the same from 1965, hell 2005?

    3) That inquisition by the lawyer Charlotte and others sound straight out of 1984, the part just before they let the rat out of his cage to gnaw on your face.

    4) His having to worry about every word you say is and having to go through and explain every little joke and argument to a lawyer later just makes me glad I'm not in that world.

    5) I laughed at that part in Peru about no disrespect meant to the Shaman, just getting up because my butt was sore. He should have heard us in Boy Scouts during the Order of the Arrow ceremony. A number of us were making fun of all that "oh Spirit of Winter, be gentle in your anger ..." shit during the ceremony and for days afterwards at the camporee. Oops, don't tell my employer.

    .

    * It was very ironic how Mr. McNeil had a big disagreement about whether he would get Medivac insurance paid for (for a Lear Jet trip back to the US in case of a serious illness or injury) when the trip was about those indigenous people who are wiser and better than us with their own indigenously special health care. Mr. McNeil was simply not up for that, had he been the victim of an attempted cannibalization or some such thing.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors

    Actually, McNeil sounds like a cuck. Remember, this the guy who now says that “of course systemic racism exists.” I was only misunderstood!

    I’d say that during the imbroglio with the Times, McNeil’s error came in not being truthful enough (rather than in being too truthful), both in the internal struggle and in the PR one. All of his little half truths come off as not credible and weak.

    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose? And if you’re going to give up your job, why not go out landing some blows in the name of truth?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Oh, I agree he's a cuck, Anon #158, and that could have been point (6). However, I'm referring to his 90 minute in Peru where he screwed himself out of a job (the way he world is working today). He brought up all kinds of experiences from his 40 years since he was a lefty too, as he explained to them. No, it was not straight off of iSteve or Amren, but he tried to show the other side of the issues with a lot of reasoning. The kids turned all that against him.

    I'm not defending this guy as some stand-up for White People hero. I just explained his mistake.

    Read the part about "in Peru".

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

    , @I, Libertine
    @anon


    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose?
     
    No he did not. I double-checked. That's the dog that didn't bark. Also, he never tells us why March 1st is such a magic date. My suspicion is that he'd get even less sympathy if all of the terms of his departure deal were to be revealed.
  68. i’m of two minds on this guy.
    On the one hand, he and the NYT is a big part of the problem that led us to this juncture of vapid cancel culture. As shown especially in the parts Steve quotes, he cops to the game that reporters play of trouncing context and nuance to push some story even if they know it’s false or likely to be false.
    It’s nice that he admits that he’s a jackal being taken out by other jackals, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a jackal.

    On the other hand, I very much appreciate he’s laying it all out, documenting and explaining what happened and not just rolling over and scurrying away. And he documents it in a relatively reasonable and credible form, again not like the vapid slogans that pass as argument in BLM / q-anon / MSNBC / FOX NEWS/ twitter circles.

  69. It’s almost as if the NYT is trying to make people think negroes are important without much success, so they punish would be thinkers. (Not free-thinkers, merely thinkers.)

  70. @Dan Hayes
    @syonredux

    How was McNeil ever able to survive that long at the NYT?

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG

    Because the descent into woke madness took place so fast.

    I say, let’s just get it over with. Make every white middle-aged NYT reporter go to Williams College and hang out at dorm bull sessions. Make him stay until the kids have recorded enough to nail him. Shouldn’t take very long.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @International Jew

    "I said oh no, William and Mary won't do..."

    Your proposition violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and inhuman punishment.

    Having witnessed the precipitous decline of my alma mater into just another bastion of Wokedom -- some of the black "faculty" didn't get tenure, and the black students are upset; the increasing number of blacks on campus want special housing set aside for them (yes, segregated housing; don't ask); the new college president refuses to endorse the (University of) "Chicago Principles" on campus free speech (guess why not); you should see the emails I received from the school last month, i.e., February (you know what that means) -- I resolved to stop giving to the school's Alumni Fund.

    Then, on Sunday, I got a text from one of my oldest, dearest friends in my college class. He's a class agent, dialing for dollars...for the Alumni Fund. He's done me more personal kindnesses than I can repay if I live to 120. I went to the dedicated website for the school's donations that evening, and gave -- although it hurt.

    In the section where it asks how you want the college to use your donation, I nearly wrote, "Invite John Derbyshire back, and this time, make him welcome." But I didn't want to embarrass my friend, the class agent. How would he ever explain that away?

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @John Pepple, @Paperback Writer

  71. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    due to demographics the time to take a stand for White rights has passed. The White population has declined over the last decade. This is just the beginning of the decline. the median age of white Americans is 45 year-old and the majority of young Americans are non-white and fully behind the anti-white agenda. We no longer have enough fertile white females to sustain the white population.

    The most important demographics for whites is the number of whites under the age of 40. Back in 1990 we had 122 million whites in this age cohort. Today just 97 million whites in this vital age cohort, a reduction of 21% in the white population of young people in America since the 1990. Most of the young whites today have been indoctrinated with woke dogma and either believe it or use it to destroy other whites to advance their careers. The whites most opposed to the woke agenda are close to retirement and lack the energy to fight back against the woke agenda. This writer typifies the leftist boomers who are either clueless or fear fighting back because they want to stay employed for a few more years. People like him will continue to grovel and apologize for being white in the hope that they can remain employed for another few years. Few will refuse to apologize and fewer will actually fight back. Most whites will continue to mock people like him for being foolish , We cannot expect solidarity from whites to defend other whites from the woke witch hunts.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Travis

    True Travis. These wokester maggots want these old white guys jobs looong before they have earned them. These assaults are part simple economics and part ideological.
    Donald G. McNeil should sign up for a substack blog
    btw Matt Taibbi at substack can be surprisingly good. His comment section is also good with many comments.
    ________________

    "This is for you, Dad": Interview with an Anonymous GameStop Investor
    Raised in a family devastated by bubble economics, one Reddit investor saw GameStop as a way to send a message to "cancerous rent-seekers"
    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/this-is-for-you-dad-interview-with

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Travis

    This is the truth, all of it.

    That's also why I say that Jews as well won't be safe from the Woke mob either. Oh, sure, they may lead a lot of it, but the mob will come for them as well eventually. After all, they're not peoples of color.

  72. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    This guy's tone and everything else won't help his case at all with the people who are after him and, of course, barely anyone was going to try to defend him anyway.

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That's all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don't use 'n-word' but nothing else.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @Hypnotoad666

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That’s all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don’t use ‘n-word’ but nothing else.

    Why did he even agree to resign? Huge payout?

  73. @Paperback Writer
    It's verbose. The most important section is Part II where he tells WTF actually happened, and this is important, for the parents here:

    Yes, I did use the word, in this context: A student asked me if I thought her high school’s administration was right to suspend a classmate of hers for using the word in a video she’d made in eighth grade. I said “Did she actually call someone a “(offending word”? Or was she singing a rap song or quoting a book title or something?” When the student explained that it was the student, who was white and Jewish, sitting with a black friend and the two were jokingly insulting each other by calling each other offensive names for a black person and a Jew, I said “She was suspended for that? Two years later? No, I don’t think suspension was warranted. Somebody should have talked to her, but any school administrator should know that 12-year-olds say dumb things. It’s part of growing up.”
     
    We are talking about a 12-year-old here. Parents, have "the talk" with your kids. Explain to them that under no circumstances are they to joke about race, and especially not with black "friends" who somehow turn out to be non-friends when the chips are down.

    Note that the black kid wasn't censured for using epithets re: Jews. And the Jewish kid was white. No pokemon points for being Jewish.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @SFG

    Any White person over the age of three who believes that they have a “black friend” deserves whatever they get.

    Reading his blathering posts about the incident, this McNeil guy does sound like the type of “smart dumbass” you’d imagine would get caught up in this.

  74. @njguy73
    @Not Raul

    No, the Times will definitely keep covering witch hunts.

    You know that in 2032, there's gonna be "The 1692 Project" about the 340th anniversary of the Salem Witch Trials, and how that made America a patriarchal regime.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    The Salem Witch Trials–hysterical White women who got all spooled up from listening to a niggro female’s bullschitt.

    Plus ca change….

    • Agree: El Dato
  75. There is also a jobs struggle going on. These rabid vixen and non-binaries piling onto old white guy Donald G. McNeil and his much hirer salary. Get him tossed off the NY Times’ good ship lolly pop, this gets 2-3 job slots opened up for these up and coming woke girls/LGBTs. Blacks and minorities being favored.

    This money grab dynamic operating on a subconscious and conscious level. Many of his assailants are subpar brains and this is how they got this way. Rising autism and schizophrenia explained by the jolly heritic and Darwinism.


  76. Attempt at civil discourse on ‘Wokeism’ ends in Clubhouse room ‘coup,’ Jewish prof shut down as ‘SPICY WHITE’ & demands for CASH

    Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein had to relive his Evergreen College moment whe he was attacked from all sides in a Clubhouse room hijacked by hostile “anti-racist” mob aghast at the idea of white people discussing “wokeism.”

    The self-appointed leader of the discussion pronounced that the white people BS was over, sending “all the Caucasians to the back” of the line and scolding the “f****g delusional” white participants for making use of the term ‘woke’ and its variations.

    “Don’t use the word ‘wokeism,’ don’t use ‘woke,’ don’t use any of our dialect, it’s not for you,” she declared, adding that she didn’t “even understand why you let that white man in here with that b******t.”

    Trigger Warning: Massive blaxette/blacklish dialect.

    “Are you transphobic? Give us the answer right now or your are gonna get off the stage!”

    Weinstein was finally chased off stage as he attempted to turn the trainwreck into a civilized debate. “We can have a disagreement—” he began, only for several of the others to start talking over him.

    This is the future.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    • Replies: @anon
    @El Dato

    It's like listening to some kind of meeting at the Motor Vehicle department. By the way, the word is "ask", not "ax". Ask.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Then the Krauts were pikers compared to the Red Guards when it came to struggle sessions.

    http://www.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng-featured.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anon
    @El Dato

    The best part of Weinstein’s argument:

    “I’m not even sure I qualify as White. I’m Jewish. My people were persecuted by Europeans.”

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    , @Polistra
    @El Dato


    This is the future.
     
    It's the present.
  77. Anon[894] • Disclaimer says:

    This guy seems like the sort of person that wokesters would want to hang out with to polish their arguments. He’s been around long enough that he can easily poke holes in woke logic, with actual historical examples. In university none of the dogma is contested, and unbelieving scholars are deplatformed, so you end up graduating and going into the wide world completely unable to deal even with softball-lobbed comebacks from your somewhat well-read uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    This guy seems like the sort of person that wokesters would want to hang out with to polish their arguments.

     

    I don't think wokesters have much interest in 'polishing their arguments'. Their power plays have nothing to do with logic-based persuasion.
  78. @Travis
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    due to demographics the time to take a stand for White rights has passed. The White population has declined over the last decade. This is just the beginning of the decline. the median age of white Americans is 45 year-old and the majority of young Americans are non-white and fully behind the anti-white agenda. We no longer have enough fertile white females to sustain the white population.

    The most important demographics for whites is the number of whites under the age of 40. Back in 1990 we had 122 million whites in this age cohort. Today just 97 million whites in this vital age cohort, a reduction of 21% in the white population of young people in America since the 1990. Most of the young whites today have been indoctrinated with woke dogma and either believe it or use it to destroy other whites to advance their careers. The whites most opposed to the woke agenda are close to retirement and lack the energy to fight back against the woke agenda. This writer typifies the leftist boomers who are either clueless or fear fighting back because they want to stay employed for a few more years. People like him will continue to grovel and apologize for being white in the hope that they can remain employed for another few years. Few will refuse to apologize and fewer will actually fight back. Most whites will continue to mock people like him for being foolish , We cannot expect solidarity from whites to defend other whites from the woke witch hunts.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    True Travis. These wokester maggots want these old white guys jobs looong before they have earned them. These assaults are part simple economics and part ideological.
    Donald G. McNeil should sign up for a substack blog
    btw Matt Taibbi at substack can be surprisingly good. His comment section is also good with many comments.
    ________________

    “This is for you, Dad”: Interview with an Anonymous GameStop Investor
    Raised in a family devastated by bubble economics, one Reddit investor saw GameStop as a way to send a message to “cancerous rent-seekers”
    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/this-is-for-you-dad-interview-with

    • Agree: slumber_j
  79. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Yojimbo, i’m totally on board with your plea for white people to smell the coffee and perk the hell up.

    But let’s be clear this isn’t some simply black-white race war. All the current year sacralizing of blacks is simply in the service of minoritarianism. Blacks being used as a club to beat deplorable flyover country white gentiles.

    It’s key to remember that blacks have almost no actual power. Sure they can be noisy as hell. They can riot. And yeah, they are vote bank the Democrats must throw the odd bone to. But power? Control of our institutions? LOL.

    When there is some racial incident like this or the ugly African girl at Smith, the blacks can whip themselves into a frenzy on twitter and “clap back”, but they are not the ones who actually deal out consequences. The people who can actually cancel you–college presidents, CEOs, trustees, boards of directors–or make a big media stentorian stink until those people do cancel you–are overwhelmingly Jews and “good” whites. Blacks have little say.

    The Smith College president could have, said “let’s get the facts here, first” and after the investigation told the young woman she was mistaken and gone even further if she was name calling staff on twitter and demanded an apology or dismiss her from the college. The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees–mostly Jews and good whites–to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    Likewise this deal. No blacks forced the NYT management or the Sulzbergers to fire this guy. (Obvious since–his story–it’s complete whiny b.s.)

    No this is not a black-white race war. This is a white civil war. Parasitic, minoritarians-Jewish and “good” white elites using blacks as a club to beat deplorables flyover gentiles and delegitimize their right to live as wish and govern themselves in their own nation. Basically make them slaves, while their nation is taken from them through immigration.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    , @Clyde
    @AnotherDad

    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America. Your minoritarian buzz word gets parroted by no one here, which means something. Shoving this societal mess onto the Jews is at best one tenth the truth in America, much less so in Europe, Canada, Australia. Time for a new buzzword? You have lots of good things to say, but now I do a quickie skim for your posts.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    , @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees–mostly Jews and good whites–to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    As it happens, of the 29 board members of the Board of Trustees of Smith College, 3 are Jewish(Deborah Keiko Reeves Berger, despite the name, is not . She kept first husbands name.) There are more Blacks than Jews on the board and there are as many Asians. Smith is just Waspy good White virtue signaling run amok; but what else can one expect of a Women's Lib. Arts College?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @HammerJack
    @AnotherDad

    The dunces appear to be in confederacy against you. You must be doing something right.

  80. @Known Fact
    I can feel for the frustration he must have felt, the choking sensation, the wriggling in his straitjacket. It's like the classic bind where someone says, "You're being stubborn" and if you say a word in response it's just taken as more proof that see, you are being stubborn.

    So along with classic archetypal themes such as Man vs. Man and Man vs. Nature, we now have Man vs. HR.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    It’s like the classic bind where someone says, “You’re being stubborn” and if you say a word in response it’s just taken as more proof that see, you are being stubborn.

    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.

    Also, his jackal analogy reminds me of the frog and the scorpion.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @ScarletNumber


    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.
     
    It’s called a Kafka Trap. The name comes from Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” in which the protagonist is enmeshed in a process designed to destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. It is an unfalsifiable form of argument that attempts to overcome an opponent by inducing a sense of guilt and using the opponent's denial of guilt as further evidence of guilt

    In this instance, the Kafka Trap takes the form, “The fact that you deny being a racist proves that you are a racist.” It’s obviously a logical fallacy; it’s a form of Begging the Question or Circular Reasoning.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman

  81. @Michelle
    I ...just.... can't...read..his ... articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Wade Hampton, @Anonymous

    “…journalists…make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies…”

    Agree completely with your comment, Michelle. What a fatuous idiot this guy is.

    –Presumably he wrote his essay to somehow repair his public image or gain public sympathy. If he was concerned about either, he should have remained silent.

    –As far as “journalists making America what it is”, if he’s talking about the country’s decay, then he’s right.

    –America has a free press, but the NYT isn’t a member. The NYT is owned by the Ruling Class and sticks to their approved narrative.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Wade Hampton

    The most cringeworthy part is that his defense is 10,000+ words of verbal diarrhea trying to recount in excruciating detail what he said as if he could possibly be exonerated. The truth about what was said is no defense! How can this idiot still not see that?

    There is maybe 45% of the country that couldn’t give a shit, even in principle, about the stupid ideas and delicate sensibilities of pozzed Zoomers. These people are called Trump voters. For all the other goodwhites trying to justify having said *that word* or mocking a witch doctor or defending blackface for lawyerly reasons is anachronistic and pointless. If you’ve bought into the new religion then his objections sound like the teacher in Charlie Brown.

  82. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato
    https://i.postimg.cc/TY2v3Ndk/Katsuragi-Misato-coffee-sip.jpg

    Attempt at civil discourse on ‘Wokeism’ ends in Clubhouse room ‘coup,’ Jewish prof shut down as ‘SPICY WHITE’ & demands for CASH


    Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein had to relive his Evergreen College moment whe he was attacked from all sides in a Clubhouse room hijacked by hostile “anti-racist” mob aghast at the idea of white people discussing “wokeism.”
     

    The self-appointed leader of the discussion pronounced that the white people BS was over, sending “all the Caucasians to the back” of the line and scolding the “f****g delusional” white participants for making use of the term 'woke' and its variations.

    “Don’t use the word ‘wokeism,’ don’t use ‘woke,’ don’t use any of our dialect, it’s not for you,” she declared, adding that she didn’t “even understand why you let that white man in here with that b******t.”
     

    Trigger Warning: Massive blaxette/blacklish dialect.

    "Are you transphobic? Give us the answer right now or your are gonna get off the stage!"

    https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1366428185953501186


    Weinstein was finally chased off stage as he attempted to turn the trainwreck into a civilized debate. “We can have a disagreement—” he began, only for several of the others to start talking over him.
     
    This is the future.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Polistra

    It’s like listening to some kind of meeting at the Motor Vehicle department. By the way, the word is “ask”, not “ax”. Ask.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Then the Krauts were pikers compared to the Red Guards when it came to struggle sessions.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Agreed, #155. I had thought the term "struggle session" was in fact a translation from Red Guard terminology - though the Chinese did hire some pretty poor translators: "Capitalist Roader"? WTF?

    I replied because you brought up that "axe" vs. "ask thing. You are expecting WAY too much from this crowd. That "axe" deal is almost a given with black people now, to show they are black to others. I kid you not, I heard it from an airline pilot on the P/A - he was not the Captain, though. See "Don't axe me no questions". (Sorry no Lynyrd Skynyrd in that post, but "here ya' go".)

  83. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    I do remember a student saying she “felt obligated to speak up for brown and black people who can’t speak for themselves.”

    My response was: “Careful — that sounds like ‘pick up the white man’s burden’ language.”

    She reacted sharply, saying, “What?!” She clearly thought I had said something racist.

    I explained: “It’s Kipling. ‘The White Man’s Burden.’ It’s a poem saying white people are obligated to civilize the world. When you say that, you’re sounding like one of those Victorian ladies who felt it was their job to speak for the poor benighted natives. In my experience, black and brown Americans are perfectly capable of speaking up for themselves.”

    “What I’m trying to say, Sophie, is that you need to act less white. I can’t believe they didn’t teach you that at Andover.”

  84. @North Carolina Resident
    @Dan Hayes

    What's the real reason?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    What’s the real reason?

    Nobody knows. It’s just a complete mystery.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AIPAC+speakers

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Mr. Anon

    I wonder if this has anything to do with the only right wing stuff being published without comment at the NYT being from Brett Stephens and then only his comments about certain things that you'd think the left would really take issue with...

  85. @El Dato
    https://i.postimg.cc/TY2v3Ndk/Katsuragi-Misato-coffee-sip.jpg

    Attempt at civil discourse on ‘Wokeism’ ends in Clubhouse room ‘coup,’ Jewish prof shut down as ‘SPICY WHITE’ & demands for CASH


    Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein had to relive his Evergreen College moment whe he was attacked from all sides in a Clubhouse room hijacked by hostile “anti-racist” mob aghast at the idea of white people discussing “wokeism.”
     

    The self-appointed leader of the discussion pronounced that the white people BS was over, sending “all the Caucasians to the back” of the line and scolding the “f****g delusional” white participants for making use of the term 'woke' and its variations.

    “Don’t use the word ‘wokeism,’ don’t use ‘woke,’ don’t use any of our dialect, it’s not for you,” she declared, adding that she didn’t “even understand why you let that white man in here with that b******t.”
     

    Trigger Warning: Massive blaxette/blacklish dialect.

    "Are you transphobic? Give us the answer right now or your are gonna get off the stage!"

    https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1366428185953501186


    Weinstein was finally chased off stage as he attempted to turn the trainwreck into a civilized debate. “We can have a disagreement—” he began, only for several of the others to start talking over him.
     
    This is the future.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Polistra

    The best part of Weinstein’s argument:

    “I’m not even sure I qualify as White. I’m Jewish. My people were persecuted by Europeans.”

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Anon

    Remember - Hitler killed 6 million white people.

  86. @Anon
    It is really stupid to post this. It had already died down. His initial instincts were right, to ignore it.

    Nobody's going to read this stream-of-consciousness 20,000-word turd. But now his enemies have fuel to reignite the fire, and plenty of verbiage to scan for short, self-incriminating nuggets.

    If his attorneys think he has a case, let them handle it in court. And shut up. There is nothing you can write, nothing you can say that will win against a guerrilla online mob. Just let it die, and let it stay dead.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Barnard

    It is really stupid to post this. It had already died down. His initial instincts were right, to ignore it.

    I think you’re right. I read most of it, and McNeil doesn’t come off nearly as well as he no doubt thinks he does.

    His great drifts of boomersplaining will change no minds among the Wokerati, and he’s given them lots and lots of not-all-that-well-written fuel for his own pyre.

  87. @Anonymous
    With no prejudice toward the merits of firing him I will say his Medium posts are banner examples for the argument these guys need harsh editing. He said it was vetted by two lawyers, but did he run it past any writers?

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s really badly-organized.

  88. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    This whole thing goes to show you that the absolute worst thing you can do when debating an ideologue is to win. You won’t change their mind, you’ll only make them realize they need to unperson you.

  89. One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract.

    Go woke, and go broke.

  90. @Anon
    @Peter D. Bredon


    Never talk to a “journalist.” Never talk to the FBI. Simple rules.
     
    “Never write if you can speak; never speak if you can nod; never nod if you can wink” —Martin Michael Lomasney (1859-1933), Boston Irish street gang leader, bootlegger, and later Boston politician

    “Never put it in email or text.”

    James Duane (B.A., J.D., Harvard), law professor and former federal prosecutor (“Never talk to law enforcement”):


    https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

    Replies: @Altai

    “I have a degree in rhetoric, of course I’ll email Nikole Hannah-Jones directly and get this sorted out!”

    In fairness, the degree to which McNeil seems to be out of touch with what was happening to him is amazing. Friends and even his ex-wife come out to try to make him understand and still he handles it in the worst ways. He wasn’t quite taking the stand he ultimately did, he didn’t understand what was happening.

    All he needed to do, publicly tell his side of the story, the exact context of explain it was a 15 year old JAP (Which, shockingly, he does do in the piece, he actually mentions she was Jewish, 15 and upper middle class as one assumes, almost all the students on these trips are, he only mentions 2 boys) and parents of Gen Zers (Gen Xers who have almost replaced Baby Boomers in power and prominence) would understand immediately. (As would Gen Z boys) And then maybe also mention the stuff about the head of HR, her husband and both being psychopaths who were opposed to him in union negotiations.

    But you start with that for god’s sake. Everything else is just filler.

  91. @Anon
    This guy seems like the sort of person that wokesters would want to hang out with to polish their arguments. He's been around long enough that he can easily poke holes in woke logic, with actual historical examples. In university none of the dogma is contested, and unbelieving scholars are deplatformed, so you end up graduating and going into the wide world completely unable to deal even with softball-lobbed comebacks from your somewhat well-read uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    This guy seems like the sort of person that wokesters would want to hang out with to polish their arguments.

    I don’t think wokesters have much interest in ‘polishing their arguments’. Their power plays have nothing to do with logic-based persuasion.

  92. @wren
    OT: I really don't like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    https://www.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1366498703452872704

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin, @Rich, @Daniel H, @Dan Hayes

    So why doesn’t Brennan start to transition already … he can take beauty tips from that Levine thingy.

  93. @Known Fact

    “If you submit to filtering by another journalist, you’re answering only his or her questions."
     
    OK, but sometimes a journalist who tries to tell his own story has a fool for a client. And his problem here is that he's putting together what reads like an exhaustive court document instead of telling his story in an accessible form. He needs the to-the-point Reader's Digest version along with all the documentation, and for that maybe he did need someone else to ask him the salient questions and focus his thoughts.

    Nevertheless I'm sympathetic and plan to read through all this, and I can see why he doesn't trust other journalists because look at what passes for journalism now, at his own newspaper. When I helped people tell their stories job one was to gain their trust. (And somewhere down the road you ask yourself if you trust them.)

    Replies: @Altai

    He also lists every single interpersonal conflict he has ever had or reason for anyone to hate him at the NYT, which sum as a kind of auto character-assassination. This is supposed to be his defense piece! And much of it has a ‘I have black friends’ tone to it that just tends to accept the premise against him. It takes an age before he get to him defending the rights of his fellow staff in union negotiations.

    The best part is when he recounts his interview about the allegations and can’t remember certain allegations (That are laughable even if true anyway) and then goes ‘Aha, I remember now yes, actually but no…’. It just makes him look guilty even if the actual content doesn’t. Remember, it doesn’t matter what you say, it matters how people feel when they read something. He writes it like he is guilty, been proven guilty and has to overcome the allegations but most of them he presents himself! All that matters is, was the content in which he said ‘nigger’ racist or not. That’s all, put that up first and then sperg away at the NYT.

    I can only conclude he has high functioning Asperger’s and has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going on wrt younger Gen Y and Gen Z women and social media.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Altai

    This comes to mind

    https://i.postimg.cc/Y90Lg3qH/The-Hunting-Party-Bilal-Christin-page-60.png

    , @danand
    @Altai

    ...has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going...


    “People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny ...yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system.”
     
    Good going Don, it’s bad enough you destroy yourself, but now they’ll be going after you’re daughter too.

    “...You can’t blame it all on institutional racism...”
     
    What!!! Don, just check yourself into the asylum now. Have the doc’s certify that your utterance of that bit of blasphemy was the result of a psychotic break triggered by Rush Limbaugh radio program signals being picked up by the gold crown on your upper left inciesor.

    Altai, I fully agree with your take about how amazingly clueless “this other Donald” is of the current world. A world arguably significantly shaped by the rag he’s contributed to over the last 40 years. Makes you wonder; is he so self absorbed, his piece does read that way, that his are only words in the NYT he’s familiar with?

    You’re “auto character-assassination” just nails it. Don’s, excuse me, Donald’s, poorly executed piece could not have been much better crafted if the intent was self-immolation.

    The Don with his bare chested “virgins”:

    https://flic.kr/p/2kGmvHZ

    Replies: @Altai

  94. Wish there was a Tom Wolfe around to make sense of this, or even just make it amusing. All the decades of giving plaques for blacks when whites were in the majority is coming back to haunt the new white minority. The plaques were given to appease them, but now they’re being used to crack white skulls.

  95. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color.

    I don’t know, but this seems to be a specifically US type of lunacy. Nowhere else where white people live is this possible, from Brazil and Argentina to Russia.

    You’ll have to deal with your suicidal trends by yourself.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Bardon Kaldian

    But it is a thing that whites are starting to deal with in South Africa, the UK, France, and most nations with a significant Sub-Saharan population. Funny how that works.

    "Nowhere else where white people live is this possible, from Brazil and Argentina to Russia."

    Russia specifically is basically a white nation. They don't have a significant Sub-Saharan population. Neither does Argentina either, or at least yet. Brazil is starting to emphasize diversity, equity, etc in their government as well. So give Brazil a couple decades and return to the issue to see where on the spectrum they're at on this issue.

  96. @eded
    Interesting fact about the trip was the sex ratio. There were 20 teenage girls and only 2 boys. That's quite a skew. None of the controversial exchanges McNeil describes involved males. I bet the only complainants were female. Not enough has been said about how overwhelmingly female the woke phenomenon is. The more female the institution the more woke. Women's colleges and liberal arts colleges without heavily male faculties of engineering appear to be the most woke.

    Replies: @Altai

    That’s a pretty normal ratio though for that kind of trip. It would never occur to a teenage boy to try and destroy the reputation of somebody like this.

    Social media has mediated the ‘great awokening’. A giant feedback loop was created that joined academia to Tumblr to mainstream social media and again to academia (When the formerly 15 year old Tumblrists entered university, each cohort having to become more radical or myopic in order to have somewhere to campaign). The cohorts of girls who crucially went through their entire adolescence with smart phones have had their entire moral socialisation outsourced to whatever was the dominant ethos pushed on social media by the most cohesive group. Their peer group they sought to be ‘okay’ with was pushed from outside the real world to an infinite one that had no brakes on runaway moral panic.

    The internet has gone from one where Ron Paul was ‘The internet’s candidate’ (Because autistic young men were the primary content creators and power users) to one where young women with cluster B personality disorder reign supreme through being the power users of social media. Social media is the biggest online multiplayer game ever conceived and it’s young women who are the most dominant by far players. But we don’t take young men shooting each other in online FPS games as seriously demonstrating murderous tendencies, for some inexplicable reason despite nobody, not even themselves, taking the moral posturing of 15 year olds girls seriously, we take their online game as being deathly serious and the basis of the total dismantling of Western society.

    The Simpson’s even understood this.

    GamerGate could be argued to be a flashpoint for this change as a group with a core (But hardly majority in terms of overall numbers) power userbase of autistic males got into a conflict with a group with a core (But also augmented by many others, including outsider MSM) of young women with BPD. No two groups of people were less capable of communicating or understanding each other.

    • Thanks: El Dato, eded, Mark G.
  97. @AnotherDad
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).
     
    Yojimbo, i'm totally on board with your plea for white people to smell the coffee and perk the hell up.

    But let's be clear this isn't some simply black-white race war. All the current year sacralizing of blacks is simply in the service of minoritarianism. Blacks being used as a club to beat deplorable flyover country white gentiles.

    It's key to remember that blacks have almost no actual power. Sure they can be noisy as hell. They can riot. And yeah, they are vote bank the Democrats must throw the odd bone to. But power? Control of our institutions? LOL.

    When there is some racial incident like this or the ugly African girl at Smith, the blacks can whip themselves into a frenzy on twitter and "clap back", but they are not the ones who actually deal out consequences. The people who can actually cancel you--college presidents, CEOs, trustees, boards of directors--or make a big media stentorian stink until those people do cancel you--are overwhelmingly Jews and "good" whites. Blacks have little say.

    The Smith College president could have, said "let's get the facts here, first" and after the investigation told the young woman she was mistaken and gone even further if she was name calling staff on twitter and demanded an apology or dismiss her from the college. The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees--mostly Jews and good whites--to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    Likewise this deal. No blacks forced the NYT management or the Sulzbergers to fire this guy. (Obvious since--his story--it's complete whiny b.s.)


    No this is not a black-white race war. This is a white civil war. Parasitic, minoritarians-Jewish and "good" white elites using blacks as a club to beat deplorables flyover gentiles and delegitimize their right to live as wish and govern themselves in their own nation. Basically make them slaves, while their nation is taken from them through immigration.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @kaganovitch, @HammerJack

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called “liberals”) and New Leftists (the so called “Woke”) and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don’t know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It’s very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn’t need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end – zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times – the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again – the Woke have played their best card and it wasn’t very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks – I guess we’ve gone full circle now).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It’s very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    Disagree. The trustees are useless, but unlikely to fire the college president in re a mundane disciplinary matter. The responsible party for turning this into a lallapalooza is McCartney herself.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

     

    /sarcasm on/ You're not getting it. McCartney is a passive agent of the anti-Christian Jewish cabal. She has no more ability to have agency than a lichen on a rock. /sarcasm off/

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called “liberals”) and New Leftists (the so called “Woke”) and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions.
     
    The "Old Leftists" in this case were "New Leftists" back in the 60s-70s. Karma's a bitch.

    The trustees would NOT have had her back.

     

    Oh yes they would - with a bullseye between the shoulder blades!

    The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end – zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). the backlash against wokism has already begun
     
    I don't think so but who knows? I'm usually of the opinion that "this time it's different is usually wrong" - but it is always wrong? Wokism failed spectacularly in its last iteration (the 60s) but it could succeed now. We had way more civilizational bandwidth then, and arguably, the grievances then (Vietnam, Jim Crow) were legitimate. Now, we have zero bandwidth, and the grievances are total shit.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    PS/

    I'm not bothering to respond to Dumb Daddy personally, but the idea that blacks have no real power, only that which they derive from Jews, is such a load of shit it boggles my mind that even delusional anti-Semites believe it. It's sad, really. It's the alt-right version of "get off the Democrat-run plantation" bullshit. Blacks run the damn plantation.

    The alt-right is made up of weirdos who think that blacks are subhumans who can't figure out power and learn how to gain it, and use it. Maybe because gaining power means building coalitions with people you hate, something they don't understand.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @AnotherDad

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney....
     
    You're just lawyering--off on a tangent--here, Jack.

    My comment wasn't about the specifics of the Smith College example nor the NYT example. I was under no confusion about "Kathleen McCartney"--LOL--non Jewishness the moment i read the Smith piece. And i've repeatedly pointed out "good whites" have their hands all over this stuff.

    Though i'm pretty confident if you parse through bales of these minoritorian dramas and identify cowards and culprits, you will find Jewish overrepresentation among the culprits who really force the minoritarian response or push minoritarianism through the institution. Definitely not "every single time". But way, way over the share--say 15% or so--of Jewish representation in management/control of American institutions.


    But the crux of my point wasn't even any of that ... it was exactly what i actually said:
    Blacks have almost no actual power in the US.

    Outside of a few black majority cities, they just don't control the levers of power. Blacks are at the fore generating "incidents" and demands this past year, but the people in institutional control agreeing, capitulating, "resetting", "reckoning", "resetting" ... Jews and "good white" gentiles.

    And outside of this year's tedious blackety, blackety stuff, the other minoritarian offensives:
    -- homosexuals,/homo-marriage
    -- LBGQWERTY
    -- women's entitlement to a fair share of whatever-men-do-that-makes-money-or-has-status-that-women-aren't-interested-in-or-not-good-at
    -- mentally ill trannies
    and the one that really matters
    -- immigration
    have basically zero to do with blacks. Pushed end-to-end by Jews and good-whites.

    This isn't a black-white race war. It's an ideological war amongst white people. Minoritarianism against white people, republican self-government, nations, normality, civilization itself.





    The crux of my comment is ... exactly what i said.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @vhrm, @S, @S

    , @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos.
     
    Well, three times AD writes some variation on "Jews & good whites." If he just wrote "good whites" instead, would you have any quarrel with him?

    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Polistra

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Oh, divert and shift blame. "it's everyone else who's doing it", etc. Wait a second, are you the poster who always defends the Jews no matter what, and never concedes that collectively, that they do share blame for having helped to take down the historical American nation?

    , @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.
     
    Dawkins's great contribution wasn't The Selfish Gene; it was The Extended Phenotype.

    McCartney's beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community. Indoctrination, incentivization, intimidation, and imitation (of those who succeed by following the rules) are the basis for her racist and unjust actions. The imposition of an anti-white moral code along with the inculcation of false historical and biological narratives produces this sort of behavior.


    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks.
     
    That's right, and there is a reason why this is so.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions
     
    Uh, cool it with the anti-Semitism
    , @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jack D

    Separate dorms for blacks have been a thing for a long time. 40 years ago there was a Malcolm X House at the fancy New England liberal arts college I attended. Of course not all blacks chose to live there.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  98. @wren
    OT: I really don't like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    https://www.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1366498703452872704

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin, @Rich, @Daniel H, @Dan Hayes

    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

    • Agree: wren
    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @El Dato

    Outstanding!

    , @Muggles
    @El Dato

    Yes, Brennan wears that Biblical "coat of many colors."

    , @wren
    @El Dato

    The depth and breadth of colors in his coat are dizzying. From communist student radical to islam lover to cia officer to corrupt defense contractor CEO to cia chief, and all the while screwing the country.

    Still at it too.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @El Dato


    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

     

    Now I understand the baggy pants of the ghetto. Besides concealing a sawn-off shotgun, they can be turned inside-out without lifting your feet from the pavement. Just in case you cross some gang's territorial line and have to change colors quickly.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qwqGjOlSE&t=7m20s

    Replies: @wren

  99. @Bragadocious

    We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.

     

    Haha, that made me laugh. The Times still hasn't returned the Pulitzer for the Russia collusion psy-op that was spoon fed to it by the CIA. It hasn't apologized or cleaned out the CIA worms in its offices. They're still there and running interference for the next hoax. McNeil may actually believe this puffed up nonsense about "making America what it is" but the truth is any licensed plumber has a better claim to that than a NYT reporter.

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @Barnard, @HammerJack

    Actually, they do make America what it is: A sad, pathetic shell of what it once was.

  100. @syonredux

    My answer about standardized tests seemed to bother her the most. I understood her to be against ever using them, because they have cultural biases. I first answered with a joke: when I took the SAT in 1970, I said, one question was “What is this house made of?” The correct answer was “clapboard.” But I was from California and had never heard of clapboard, so I lost points — so the test was clearly biased against Californians, I said. I don’t remember her laughing. But I added that I thought such tests were still necessary, even if they were flawed. If you had 10,000 students applying to a school with 500 spots, how would you screen so many? I remember her suggesting that applicants should write essays and be interviewed. I said that was impossible, no school had enough money or time for that, so I thought at least some testing was inevitable.
     
    Ah, McNeal, you're just not getting it. The whole point of getting rid of standardized tests is to offer a boost to two critical groups: the mediocre elite and Non-Asian POC. Don't worry: No one is actually going to read those tests. They'll just mark them for key shibboleths (How many times did they write #BLACKLIVESMATTER? Did they employ reverential capitalization when referring to Blacks? Did they use lower-case for Whites?).

    Replies: @syonredux, @HammerJack

    No such question appeared on the SAT in 1970 or any other year. Unless there were photos and I missed it. Besides, houses aren’t ever made of clapboard, they’re covered with clapboards. Besides, the answers to SAT questions weren’t divulged in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @HammerJack

    Might have been an analogy question. Clapboard shingles and Stucco are all used as siding?

  101. @Anon7
    “ who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.”

    And then they came for the James Webb Space Telescope:

    The successor to the Hubble honors a man who took part in the effort to purge LGBT people from the federal workforce...

    NASA Needs to Rename the James Webb Space Telescope

    Replies: @El Dato

    From the *Scientific American* smugticle:

    Slated to launch later this year, JWST will peer more deeply into the universe than any optical or infrared telescope before it, promising to show us a vision of galaxies in their infancy and probe potentially habitable worlds.

    Why not call it “The Big Dark Prober”?

    But first things first: Miss Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an iSteve content generator

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an assistant professor of physics and core faculty in women’s and gender studies at the University of New Hampshire. She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics and is the author of The Disordered Cosmos: A Journey into Dark Matter, Spacetime, and Dreams Deferred.

    Recent Articles: Sexual Misconduct Allegations against Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveal the Complexity of Academic Inequality

    I would never have thought I would say this but most of the non-applied physics sector seems to have become a living Sokal hoax and is in need of serious defunding. It’s going to come anyway.

    • LOL: Escher
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @El Dato

    "She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics..."

    Practically a clinic in how to tell a Rule of Three joke, with the punchline being the non sequitur third item not like the others. I laughed, anyway.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @El Dato

    Also,


    The legacy of James Webb is so far from the freedom dreaming that is possible through the lens of a telescope, and it is time for NASA to change the name to something better.
    ...

    Before she became a conductor on the Underground Railroad, a disabled and enslaved Harriet Tubman likely used the North Star ...

    Naming “the next Hubble” the Harriet Tubman Space Telescope (HTST) would ensure that her memory lives always in the heavens that gave her and so many others hope. The HTST could also serve as a reminder that the night sky is a shared heritage that belongs to all of humanity, including LGBTQIA+ people.
     

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  102. @International Jew
    @Dan Hayes

    Because the descent into woke madness took place so fast.

    I say, let's just get it over with. Make every white middle-aged NYT reporter go to Williams College and hang out at dorm bull sessions. Make him stay until the kids have recorded enough to nail him. Shouldn't take very long.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “I said oh no, William and Mary won’t do…”

    Your proposition violates the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against cruel and inhuman punishment.

    Having witnessed the precipitous decline of my alma mater into just another bastion of Wokedom — some of the black “faculty” didn’t get tenure, and the black students are upset; the increasing number of blacks on campus want special housing set aside for them (yes, segregated housing; don’t ask); the new college president refuses to endorse the (University of) “Chicago Principles” on campus free speech (guess why not); you should see the emails I received from the school last month, i.e., February (you know what that means) — I resolved to stop giving to the school’s Alumni Fund.

    Then, on Sunday, I got a text from one of my oldest, dearest friends in my college class. He’s a class agent, dialing for dollars…for the Alumni Fund. He’s done me more personal kindnesses than I can repay if I live to 120. I went to the dedicated website for the school’s donations that evening, and gave — although it hurt.

    In the section where it asks how you want the college to use your donation, I nearly wrote, “Invite John Derbyshire back, and this time, make him welcome.” But I didn’t want to embarrass my friend, the class agent. How would he ever explain that away?

    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    @Gary in Gramercy

    When people will have finally gotten enough of the woke insanity, and start asking themselves "How did it ever get to this?", the second half of your post will be part of the answer. Thanks for telling it as it happened.

    Some years ago I was talking to a friend who was ... uncomfortable ... with some aspects of how Islam was practiced in his country. I humbly proposed "Well, stop giving the Imam your money; after the noise clears, he'll find something else to do." My friend didn't dispute that that'd work, but to actually go there--his mind just wasn't ready for that. We are all creatures of habit.

    , @John Pepple
    @Gary in Gramercy

    You're still giving money to your alma mater? Just don't. Or give specifically to the most right-wing department on campus. But just stop doing this. How can we have any influence over what is happening when we are giving money to the enemy?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I won't advise others what to do in these perilous times, but I've crossed a line where I don't care. I don't volunteer my opinions but when solicited, I give them.

    I'm on a lot of e-lists. Recently I got something from the usual idiotic NYC pol taking credit for passing a "Walking While Trans" law. You don't have to look it up - I guessed and confirmed - it's some shit about how "transwomen of color" are "disproportionately" harassed by cops just because cops hate trannies, yeah.

    (No. Trannies are way worse than the most aggressive female streetwalkers of the bad old days. The worst they would do is shelter under an overhang of a door and stare at passing men hoping to make eye contact, occasionally calling out. Trannies solicit aggressively, being men.)

    I wrote him back: "Are you in favor of biological men playing on girl's sports teams?" I never heard back from him.

    But I do speak up.

  103. @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so.

     

    Good grief.

    But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.
     
    The anti-Semites here are so stupid and lazy that not only do they not read the source material (they just come here to spout off) they don't read comments such as mine above, which provide them the most important part of the source material.

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid's life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, "hostile Jewish elites" are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids' lives. Got that.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Bardon Kaldian, @ben tillman

    The Jewish kid’s life won’t be “ruined” in the slightest, as I expect you know well.

    “S/he” won’t even suffer the indignity of exposure. That’s privilege.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @HammerJack

    I'm not going to the trouble of looking up stuff for you - I'll do this later, for myself - but I gathered that the Jewish kid is indeed going to be made to suffer. That's the reason for discussing the matter. The name is known in his circles.

    Stupid is as stupid does, but lazy is inexcusable.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @HammerJack

  104. @El Dato
    https://i.postimg.cc/TY2v3Ndk/Katsuragi-Misato-coffee-sip.jpg

    Attempt at civil discourse on ‘Wokeism’ ends in Clubhouse room ‘coup,’ Jewish prof shut down as ‘SPICY WHITE’ & demands for CASH


    Evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein had to relive his Evergreen College moment whe he was attacked from all sides in a Clubhouse room hijacked by hostile “anti-racist” mob aghast at the idea of white people discussing “wokeism.”
     

    The self-appointed leader of the discussion pronounced that the white people BS was over, sending “all the Caucasians to the back” of the line and scolding the “f****g delusional” white participants for making use of the term 'woke' and its variations.

    “Don’t use the word ‘wokeism,’ don’t use ‘woke,’ don’t use any of our dialect, it’s not for you,” she declared, adding that she didn’t “even understand why you let that white man in here with that b******t.”
     

    Trigger Warning: Massive blaxette/blacklish dialect.

    "Are you transphobic? Give us the answer right now or your are gonna get off the stage!"

    https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1366428185953501186


    Weinstein was finally chased off stage as he attempted to turn the trainwreck into a civilized debate. “We can have a disagreement—” he began, only for several of the others to start talking over him.
     
    This is the future.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Polistra

    This is the future.

    It’s the present.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  105. @Wizard of Oz
    Hello again Steve. I am just taking an efficient if lazy way to involve you in what I have just suggested to Ron in two posts on his Bugs and Suggestions thread. I'll send Part 1 immediately to avoid accidents:

    1. Ron, may I suggest you get the best writer on H-bd that you can cajole to write about the H-bd implicatiins of something which I have just come across that at least should attract the enthusiastic interest of Fred Reed even if it doesn’t end up allowing him to say “I told you so”.

    It came up in the middle of half an hour on the exercise bike watching Coast Australia where Neil Oliver had deputed one of his tame Australian professors to go to the tiny Carnac Island off the coast of Western Australia to consider the puzzle of its very venemous Tiger Snakes with which it was infested.

    The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive. So the question was whether, as in the Galapagos natural selection might have facilitated the changes. How long could they have been evolving in isolation was therefore critical.

    For a reason I can’t remember the founding population dating to separation from the mainland at the end of the last Ice Age was ruled out. Swimming to Carnac Island from another island or the mainland was ruled out by the strong currents and perhaps massive tides. The snake colony was dated, as a matter of probability, to the release of the snakes there about 1930 when the law changed to forbid a well known showman exhibiting his snakes.

    The conclusion favoured was that the possibilities for variation after birth (and maybe from conception I suppose) were built in to the snakes’ genome for instant adaptation to an environment.

    My proposed question would be whether anything similar can be regarded as a human version of the same thing.

    PS Steve. If not you maybe Peter Frost?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @anonymous coward, @Colin Wright

    Island gigantism ( eg Galapagos giant tortoises ) or pygmyism ( the last Maltese elephants ) is a well known feature of arguments for evolution. Did the Andaman islanders, much beloved of Maestro Steve, become even smaller when they became isolated there ? Did this happen quickly? Research, please!

    Back to your Tiger Snake again. Like most species, there will be variability in physical characteristics so that they will benefit from improvement in conditions. There may be less predators and more prey so that more snakes live longer and are larger and healthier. The increase in size is not due to genetic change, then. In Western societies, similarly, improvement in nutrition, hygiene, living conditions and healthcare have resulted in a much larger and taller population with a greater life expectancy than in the past.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @Verymuchalive

    I, m inclined to believe that it is as simple as you suggest and indeed don't think the differenced between the Carnac Island snakes and the mainland ones are out of line with human analogues.

  106. @Altai
    @Known Fact

    He also lists every single interpersonal conflict he has ever had or reason for anyone to hate him at the NYT, which sum as a kind of auto character-assassination. This is supposed to be his defense piece! And much of it has a 'I have black friends' tone to it that just tends to accept the premise against him. It takes an age before he get to him defending the rights of his fellow staff in union negotiations.

    The best part is when he recounts his interview about the allegations and can't remember certain allegations (That are laughable even if true anyway) and then goes 'Aha, I remember now yes, actually but no...'. It just makes him look guilty even if the actual content doesn't. Remember, it doesn't matter what you say, it matters how people feel when they read something. He writes it like he is guilty, been proven guilty and has to overcome the allegations but most of them he presents himself! All that matters is, was the content in which he said 'nigger' racist or not. That's all, put that up first and then sperg away at the NYT.

    I can only conclude he has high functioning Asperger's and has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going on wrt younger Gen Y and Gen Z women and social media.

    Replies: @El Dato, @danand

    This comes to mind

  107. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    As far as Woke Smith , Gen Xer Jodi Shaw seems ready to make a career of it:

    Smith College President Kathleen McCartney has her hands full. Shaw seems energized and is relishing the debate. Shaw was a 1992 Smith Graduate, and had pretty much failed in earlier careers in music and as a Librarian at Smith. She was some sort of Dorm Life Administrator and was was triggered by a mandatory racism workshop.

    Her real beef is having to work in such a low level job AND being forced to participate in diversity training. She seems to be willing to talk about this more or less endlessly. She has deftly appropriated the infamous 2018 incident into her story. I would give her a decent chance at turning this into a decent career. Finally.

  108. Irish (clap emoji) aren’t (clap emoji) white (clap emoji) if (clap emoji) they (clap emoji) don’t (clap emoji) practice (clap emoji) Catholicism (clap emoji) (angry exhalation emoji)

  109. @AnotherDad
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).
     
    Yojimbo, i'm totally on board with your plea for white people to smell the coffee and perk the hell up.

    But let's be clear this isn't some simply black-white race war. All the current year sacralizing of blacks is simply in the service of minoritarianism. Blacks being used as a club to beat deplorable flyover country white gentiles.

    It's key to remember that blacks have almost no actual power. Sure they can be noisy as hell. They can riot. And yeah, they are vote bank the Democrats must throw the odd bone to. But power? Control of our institutions? LOL.

    When there is some racial incident like this or the ugly African girl at Smith, the blacks can whip themselves into a frenzy on twitter and "clap back", but they are not the ones who actually deal out consequences. The people who can actually cancel you--college presidents, CEOs, trustees, boards of directors--or make a big media stentorian stink until those people do cancel you--are overwhelmingly Jews and "good" whites. Blacks have little say.

    The Smith College president could have, said "let's get the facts here, first" and after the investigation told the young woman she was mistaken and gone even further if she was name calling staff on twitter and demanded an apology or dismiss her from the college. The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees--mostly Jews and good whites--to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    Likewise this deal. No blacks forced the NYT management or the Sulzbergers to fire this guy. (Obvious since--his story--it's complete whiny b.s.)


    No this is not a black-white race war. This is a white civil war. Parasitic, minoritarians-Jewish and "good" white elites using blacks as a club to beat deplorables flyover gentiles and delegitimize their right to live as wish and govern themselves in their own nation. Basically make them slaves, while their nation is taken from them through immigration.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @kaganovitch, @HammerJack

    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America. Your minoritarian buzz word gets parroted by no one here, which means something. Shoving this societal mess onto the Jews is at best one tenth the truth in America, much less so in Europe, Canada, Australia. Time for a new buzzword? You have lots of good things to say, but now I do a quickie skim for your posts.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Clyde

    White gentiles taking responsibility looks like and inseparably is the rejection of Jewish fraud gurus, Jewish poisonous ideas, Jewish media products and channels, and the normality of Jewish extremism, and is militantly guarded against by the full force of the United States Government augmented by extragovernmental organizations, extralegal pressures, and white gentiles' own personal devotion to the twentieth century Jewish American vision, which is not thought of as its own thing, but as our default national ideology.

    What is this braindead argument that Jews cannot have any influence because there are very few of them? If the Jews had the numbers they wouldn't need to bother with influence.
    >but but but this one guy, who carries water for the SPLC, is one hundred per cent goy
    Then I judge him by his behavior as the evidence of the content of his character, and his meaningless blood will not save him. And the full-blown, in-every-sense Jew who loves America I count as an American. Gosh this stuff is so super complicated you really need the secret decoder ring.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @AnotherDad
    @Clyde



    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America.
     
    Agree 100%. No argument.

    As for my minoritarian buzz word ... i am putting a name to a particular ideology. It is not "leftism" as leftism was understood in say 1940. It's certainly not the Marxism that Marx wrote. I'm not a scholar on stuff like the Frankfurt School to sort through that nonsense.

    But this actual new ideology--it is new, as it's very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long--is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    And that ideology has come to dominance in the United States and--to a lesser extent--has spread its tentacles through the broader West.

    Steve keeps pitching the latest piece of craziness over the fence, and some commenters want to slice and dice specifics--peachy. But 90% of this is the same root--this minoritarian ideology. Call it whatever you will.

    If people can not understand it, name it, attack it, defeat it .... minoritarianism wins and the future is indeed quite bleak for the West.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @rebel yell

  110. @Altai
    @Known Fact

    He also lists every single interpersonal conflict he has ever had or reason for anyone to hate him at the NYT, which sum as a kind of auto character-assassination. This is supposed to be his defense piece! And much of it has a 'I have black friends' tone to it that just tends to accept the premise against him. It takes an age before he get to him defending the rights of his fellow staff in union negotiations.

    The best part is when he recounts his interview about the allegations and can't remember certain allegations (That are laughable even if true anyway) and then goes 'Aha, I remember now yes, actually but no...'. It just makes him look guilty even if the actual content doesn't. Remember, it doesn't matter what you say, it matters how people feel when they read something. He writes it like he is guilty, been proven guilty and has to overcome the allegations but most of them he presents himself! All that matters is, was the content in which he said 'nigger' racist or not. That's all, put that up first and then sperg away at the NYT.

    I can only conclude he has high functioning Asperger's and has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going on wrt younger Gen Y and Gen Z women and social media.

    Replies: @El Dato, @danand

    …has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going…

    “People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny …yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system.”

    Good going Don, it’s bad enough you destroy yourself, but now they’ll be going after you’re daughter too.

    “…You can’t blame it all on institutional racism…”

    What!!! Don, just check yourself into the asylum now. Have the doc’s certify that your utterance of that bit of blasphemy was the result of a psychotic break triggered by Rush Limbaugh radio program signals being picked up by the gold crown on your upper left inciesor.

    Altai, I fully agree with your take about how amazingly clueless “this other Donald” is of the current world. A world arguably significantly shaped by the rag he’s contributed to over the last 40 years. Makes you wonder; is he so self absorbed, his piece does read that way, that his are only words in the NYT he’s familiar with?

    You’re “auto character-assassination” just nails it. Don’s, excuse me, Donald’s, poorly executed piece could not have been much better crafted if the intent was self-immolation.

    The Don with his bare chested “virgins”:

    1B31A72C-37EF-43DD-B88E-02E510AF13E7

    • Replies: @Altai
    @danand

    It's still beneficial everytime somebody like this comes up and has lots of friends in high places, but I don't think he intended to be such a person, he just doesn't get it. It creates more unease in the higher ups and more sympathy against things being made taboo.

    He's like a high-brow version of the joke of the dim but narcissistic defendant who wants to be his own lawyer.

    It's a great lesson that all of this has become a zero-sum ethnic conflict and 'centrists' who rail against this will sound no different to white ethnic activists to the other side. Because at the end of the day his problem with it all is that it impinged against him but he and others like him have given away the moral authority to argue for their own group's collective interests and he is seen in this incident as a 'white man' not Donald McNeil, so any argument on stopping this because it's hurting whites will also be seen as illegitimate. The 'centrists' haven't fully grasped this yet, even McNeil's piece is full of praise for Nikole Hannah-Jones etc. You're arguing on quicksand.

    It's the same in Portland. The people there don't want all that antifa nonsense but they've lost the moral and from that intellectual ability to argue against it. These antifa aren't basing their actions in class or economics but anti-white idpol and so are untouchable in 2021. People going out and arguing coherently and exclusively for the rights of the poor (Antifa make a show of being 'socialist' revolutionaries but they seem uninterested in economic wonkery or anything but dissolving social solidarity and attacking outgroup enemies) would be beaten down by police in a second if they tried what the antifa are doing.

    That's what happens when you dissolve the boundaries of community and citizenship and can't argue in defense for your community and society. If you can't define what you practically want on the basis for whom you represent and their interests you just get vague moral posturing.

    What do you want? Who do you represent? This should be asked of every citizen and every politician constantly.

  111. @Gary in Gramercy
    @International Jew

    "I said oh no, William and Mary won't do..."

    Your proposition violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and inhuman punishment.

    Having witnessed the precipitous decline of my alma mater into just another bastion of Wokedom -- some of the black "faculty" didn't get tenure, and the black students are upset; the increasing number of blacks on campus want special housing set aside for them (yes, segregated housing; don't ask); the new college president refuses to endorse the (University of) "Chicago Principles" on campus free speech (guess why not); you should see the emails I received from the school last month, i.e., February (you know what that means) -- I resolved to stop giving to the school's Alumni Fund.

    Then, on Sunday, I got a text from one of my oldest, dearest friends in my college class. He's a class agent, dialing for dollars...for the Alumni Fund. He's done me more personal kindnesses than I can repay if I live to 120. I went to the dedicated website for the school's donations that evening, and gave -- although it hurt.

    In the section where it asks how you want the college to use your donation, I nearly wrote, "Invite John Derbyshire back, and this time, make him welcome." But I didn't want to embarrass my friend, the class agent. How would he ever explain that away?

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @John Pepple, @Paperback Writer

    When people will have finally gotten enough of the woke insanity, and start asking themselves “How did it ever get to this?”, the second half of your post will be part of the answer. Thanks for telling it as it happened.

    Some years ago I was talking to a friend who was … uncomfortable … with some aspects of how Islam was practiced in his country. I humbly proposed “Well, stop giving the Imam your money; after the noise clears, he’ll find something else to do.” My friend didn’t dispute that that’d work, but to actually go there–his mind just wasn’t ready for that. We are all creatures of habit.

  112. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle
    I ...just.... can't...read..his ... articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Wade Hampton, @Anonymous

    I …just…. can’t…read..his … articles! Just terrible writing and he is a complete narcissistic a hole. He could not see the freight train headed straight for him?!! What a pompous idiot!

    I felt the same way about him and his writing. I was initially sympathetic to his plight, but after reading his response, I thought he was just a jerk.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Anonymous

    Thank you for that!

  113. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors
     
    Actually, McNeil sounds like a cuck. Remember, this the guy who now says that “of course systemic racism exists.” I was only misunderstood!

    I’d say that during the imbroglio with the Times, McNeil’s error came in not being truthful enough (rather than in being too truthful), both in the internal struggle and in the PR one. All of his little half truths come off as not credible and weak.

    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose? And if you’re going to give up your job, why not go out landing some blows in the name of truth?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @I, Libertine

    Oh, I agree he’s a cuck, Anon #158, and that could have been point (6). However, I’m referring to his 90 minute in Peru where he screwed himself out of a job (the way he world is working today). He brought up all kinds of experiences from his 40 years since he was a lefty too, as he explained to them. No, it was not straight off of iSteve or Amren, but he tried to show the other side of the issues with a lot of reasoning. The kids turned all that against him.

    I’m not defending this guy as some stand-up for White People hero. I just explained his mistake.

    Read the part about “in Peru”.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It helps to have a local command position when you want to be politically incorrect.

    Not recently at the NYT:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGFO9MU5QT4

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Read the part about “in Peru”.

    Or just repeat the word "AKshully" over and over and over again for half an hour or more. Because that's what pretty much his entire attempt at overexplanation-defense boils down to. "Well, AKshully..." Like a much longer version of some essays and many comments here @Unz, by the way.

    So...AKshully McNeil is a mediocre writer who swallowed the Party line decades ago and has coasted on that & connections ever since. He also appears to be another Average Chump who doesn't "get it" with girls; offering wordy, windy Boomersplaning monologues (it's always a monologue with these guys) to a 15 year old Daughter of Privilege is a lose-lose-lose proposition.

    He still doesn't have the number of the bus that rolled over him, either. "Please re-educate me in Modern Woke Thought!" is not necessarily a solution. Because the cult of Woke has no form of redemption - once Cancelled, always Cancelled.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  114. @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so.

     

    Good grief.

    But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.
     
    The anti-Semites here are so stupid and lazy that not only do they not read the source material (they just come here to spout off) they don't read comments such as mine above, which provide them the most important part of the source material.

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid's life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, "hostile Jewish elites" are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids' lives. Got that.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Bardon Kaldian, @ben tillman

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid’s life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.

    Yeah, but I was an anti-judaist, I would answer something like that: hostile Jewish elites either don’t care for Jewish proles, or they are realistic- you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs. In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Bardon Kaldian


    In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

     

    Can I quote you?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  115. @Dan Hayes
    @syonredux

    How was McNeil ever able to survive that long at the NYT?

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG

    It’s an interesting question. My best guess is being that involved with the union probably protected him for a while, until as Mr. Unz says management realized they could use wokeness to get rid of him.

    I suspect a lot of this ‘white male bad’ stuff is so eagerly embraced by corporations because they have a large bunch of Gen-X and Boomer older white middle management who are expensive, and ‘diversity’ is a nice excuse to get rid of them and hire new younger, cheaper, diverse employees.

    Follow the money.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @SFG

    Unions have a duty to represent. He should sue them til they squeak.

  116. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    OT: Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur - ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @North Carolina Resident, @AndrewR, @anonymous

    Tucker has enough money to let his children live into old age in luxury without working a day.

    The most generous explanation of his timidity is that he thinks he can do more good for the world by slightly censoring himself on Fox than by starting an uncensored podcast or something. But frankly my money is on him just being greedy and cowardly.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @AndrewR

    It's not just the money; it's knowing that the most powerful, unified and vindictive force in our nation (and their shabbos goy dependents) will take direct aim on him and his family. You can call that cowardly, and in a sense it is, but it's not something you or I have to face.

    , @Richard B
    @AndrewR

    Though I agree with you on most things Andrew, here I respectfully and strongly disagree.

    First, they'll have no problem with an assest seizure on everything he owns.

    And who's going to defend him in what'll be sure to be a show trial?

    An attorney employed and appointed by them, of course!

    Really though, once one pokes past the surface, the hostile elite merely and routinely applies its template to events as they occur. No great trick really.

    The problem is when those events accumulate, expand, and go beyond the template, as they clearly are now. That's the problem.

    This is why they have always needed to control both sides of the argument. That way, whoever loses they still win. In fact, Gilad Atzmon had a youtube video on this very thing. I think the title is The Jewish Cognitive Elite. Maybe it's still up.

    That's where Tucker comes in. He's the designated opposition (as opposed to controlled opposition, like Con Inc. and not just Con Inc.). He's there to represent a more fact based approach in the event that their more extreme positions go belly up. Which they inevitably will.

    Still, there's no reason to doubt that he's as sincere and as fact-based as he can manage. And that he can manage it at all is, in my view at least, pretty impressive. He's certainly doing more than any of us are by commenting here. Though, I certainly wouldn't underestimate the commment culture here at TUR.

    Replies: @Richard B

  117. @Paperback Writer
    It's verbose. The most important section is Part II where he tells WTF actually happened, and this is important, for the parents here:

    Yes, I did use the word, in this context: A student asked me if I thought her high school’s administration was right to suspend a classmate of hers for using the word in a video she’d made in eighth grade. I said “Did she actually call someone a “(offending word”? Or was she singing a rap song or quoting a book title or something?” When the student explained that it was the student, who was white and Jewish, sitting with a black friend and the two were jokingly insulting each other by calling each other offensive names for a black person and a Jew, I said “She was suspended for that? Two years later? No, I don’t think suspension was warranted. Somebody should have talked to her, but any school administrator should know that 12-year-olds say dumb things. It’s part of growing up.”
     
    We are talking about a 12-year-old here. Parents, have "the talk" with your kids. Explain to them that under no circumstances are they to joke about race, and especially not with black "friends" who somehow turn out to be non-friends when the chips are down.

    Note that the black kid wasn't censured for using epithets re: Jews. And the Jewish kid was white. No pokemon points for being Jewish.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @SFG

    It’s complicated.

    You don’t get any ‘diversity’ points because you’re already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you’re Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don’t want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

    However, if you’re born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there’s a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.

    The ‘diversity’ racket in fact does not particularly help Jews (sorry Forward and Tikkun, nobody actually sees you as ‘nonwhite’ except white nationalists who hate you anyway-Your. Skin. Is. Pink.), but a lot of them actually believe the liberal BS and are surprised when it turns on them. (Look at Scott Alexander, who in his recent and IMHO quite perceptive advice to tell the GOP to talk about class as a way of weaponizing right-wing populism, says ‘I hate you and you hate me’. Well, actually, Scott, practically everyone defending you in this NYT dustup was right of center. Sometimes people don’t know who their friends are.)

    That it may have been a more complicated strategy to push the remaining white gentiles out of Harvard and the establishments of the pre-60s WASP elite I’m a little more agnostic about. It strikes me as the kind of thing that works really well until it blows up in your face, but then that’s how I feel about short-selling stocks, and plenty of people do that for a living. So-make up your own mind on that one.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @SFG

    I agree with you 100%.

    This is the sort of Jewish (really, elite) criticism that I can engage with.


    It’s complicated.

     

    Yes.

    You don’t get any ‘diversity’ points because you’re already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you’re Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don’t want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

     

    In fact, this is a huge catalyst to Jewish success. You don't want to be the colleague or, worse yet, the subordinate to a Gentile who resents his Jewish boss. You'll get dumped on in all sorts of sneaky ways.

    However, if you’re born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there’s a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.
     
    The connections game is everything but it's even more subtle than you indicate. I know this will produce gales of mirth from the usual suspects here but Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.

    Jews will promote a black guy with a 100 IQ over a 125-IQ Jew. Jews in the financial industry adore Italians. (See Home Depot founding: 2 Jews and an Italian, not to mention Lew Ranieri, whose name escapes the resident Jew-haters here, because they're too stupid to know who he is).

    The Jewish connections game is the old WASP model: go to the right school, get the right background and you can skate. And yes, a big proportion of that crowd is Jewish (see under: Kushner). I understand the resentment. I feel it myself. But there's no conspiracy to take down Christian civilization.

    The worst group as far as promoting their own openly was Southerners. I say "was" because their day is over. Read the history of the NY Times. White Southerners used to be prominent there (back in Abe Rosenthal's days, which illustrates what I was saying above). They didn't bother covering up they promoted within the tribe. They boasted of it. No one chapped their asses about it.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Gary in Gramercy

  118. @J.Ross
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Per a recent previous thread, it's okay to be white when you're chatting up a nice Japanese girl.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

    That has been my experience. Getting laid without speaking the local lingo is the last bastion of white privilege.

  119. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I read McNeil’s posts. I can see why people want to make this all about “another white man silenced by Wokeness.” I think that’s a superficial reading of the situation.

    Whenever you write “I don’t think I’m an @sshole,” early in an article, that leads me to believe that a lot of people do think you are an @sshole. If you get on the wrong side of many of your bosses and coworkers, you are asking for trouble. And that appears to me to be what happened to McNeil. In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    It’s a sh!tty reality of the working world that office politics exists and more often than not, popularity trumps competence. But, that’s the way the world works, unfortunately.

    Replies: @jon, @Tono Bungay, @Jack D, @Up2Drew

    Asshole or not, his description of the inquisition to which he was submitted is too detailed and credible to ignore. These spineless NYT cretins are shaping the news for the entire country, and their fanaticism bodes ill for every white man and woman.

  120. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With this clear example in the MSM during the Current Year before us, I am compelled to ask the posters here, including Steve, a most serious question. I ask it with one part respect and one part realism (as to the full understanding of how the Current Year is working, playing out).

    With all that has occurred during the last half decade, partly led by Woke Cancel Culture, where exactly in the everyday world, mainstream society, MSM, etc. does the phrase "It's okay to be white" hold sway?

    Based on observation of the facts in the real world and not the ideal world, I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that phrase, as given constantly and consistently by the MSM/US Society as a whole is "Nowhere! Not now, not ever, should it ever be okay to be white! For justice sakes, this can never be so!"

    This is based on realism of how the Current Year has been playing out for some several years. How did the US come to this debased level? There are several theories, but to narrow in on the actual answers could take up several volumes. Who knows if we may ever truly understand the answers.

    As a minor aside, I will also note here, that the NYT never officially, much less publicly, took up the cause of Julian Assange for much the same reason: He was not a person of color, and thus could not be so "easily" supported. Although I sincerely doubt that America's paper of record would ever in this lifetime support such a person on such a petty, base cause as defending the First Amendment (unless it was to champion the First Amendment of a trans. porn star making a video that violated such antiquated and outdated laws as community standards).

    White people of the MSM being "tried" in the court of public opinion almost has a Dreyfuss Affair, or even a Solzhenitsyn-esque feel to it. Unseemly, and ultimately, quasi-Show Trial aspect to the whole thing.

    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).

    Regrettably, more and more, the clear answer is becoming "NO!"

    With the facts becoming ever more clear before whites as a group with each passing year, perhaps the answer should be changed to "Yes, as whites, we have the same rights as everyone else. Whether in society at large, at the workplace, before the court of justice, we have the same rights, same laws, and same respect. And no less."

    That's why I said before and shall again: White IS a color.

    Either whites make this stand now, or one day even to respond with this answer will be deemed as racist. When that happens, white peoples survival as a people, as well as a race, will be collectively and definitively done and over.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @J.Ross, @Travis, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR

    To our rulers, the existence of white people is an existential threat.

    • Agree: Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  121. I’ve read most of it.

    This guy is an idiot.

    He deserves to be fired for his sheer Gentile Naivety.

    He’s still…like an idiot…trying to be the good reasonable person. He’s still trying to throw bones to the other side ‘My grandfather was an anti-semite!’

    So far what I’ve read was ‘Yeah white people are really racist…but not me…and even if it is me…I have aspergers!’

    As my liberal friends say….

    I Can’t Even

    Hey idiot white men…you’re not the majority anymore, Anglo Saxon values mean nothing, fight or die.

    He should have written a giant expose and taken down as many people possible. He should have Nuked every person he ever worked with. Affairs, womanizing, racism…he should have just made a laundry list of every writer and every off color thing ever said. The minorities would do the rest of the work for him.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts, I agree, especially regarding your solution. There is no reasoning with these people. He was going to get terminated - did you read that long description of the grilling by the lawyer(s)? He was trying to explain in detail every little bit they'd bring up, but, damn, it was quite obvious that he was going to be ousted. Just burn it all down! What do you have to lose?

    BTW, Peter Brimelow, in his quick post with screenshotted tweets on this story - here - brought up something I'd forgotten to mention. 3 or 4 times, maybe more, Mr. McNeil was told by one of the NY Times "workers" of his, "You've lost the newsroom! You've lost the newsroom!" WTF? It sounds like he's a leader of a Commie terrorist cell, and he's lost the support from his terrorist followers. Oh, wait, ...

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @John Johnson
    @Thoughts

    He should have written a giant expose and taken down as many people possible. He should have Nuked every person he ever worked with.

    These guys never have an exit strategy. He thought he would always be the sciency "Good White" that no one really noticed.

    What he doesn't get is that the left deeply resents smart White guys.

    It's a really bad time to be a White guy in a left-wing organization. Even though Democrats have all three houses the left is continuing to crack up and go on witch hunts.

    He also doesn't seem to know much about teenagers. You never want to joke with them in that type of position. They will take the jokes further and you will lose your aura of authority.

    He should also know better than to bring up politically incorrect aspects of African culture in casual conversation. Kind of a big DUH.

  122. @El Dato
    @Anon7

    From the *Scientific American* smugticle:


    Slated to launch later this year, JWST will peer more deeply into the universe than any optical or infrared telescope before it, promising to show us a vision of galaxies in their infancy and probe potentially habitable worlds.
     
    Why not call it "The Big Dark Prober"?

    But first things first: Miss Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an iSteve content generator

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an assistant professor of physics and core faculty in women's and gender studies at the University of New Hampshire. She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics and is the author of The Disordered Cosmos: A Journey into Dark Matter, Spacetime, and Dreams Deferred.

    Recent Articles: Sexual Misconduct Allegations against Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveal the Complexity of Academic Inequality

     

    I would never have thought I would say this but most of the non-applied physics sector seems to have become a living Sokal hoax and is in need of serious defunding. It's going to come anyway.

    Replies: @Anon7, @PiltdownMan

    “She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics…”

    Practically a clinic in how to tell a Rule of Three joke, with the punchline being the non sequitur third item not like the others. I laughed, anyway.

  123. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It’s very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    Disagree. The trustees are useless, but unlikely to fire the college president in re a mundane disciplinary matter. The responsible party for turning this into a lallapalooza is McCartney herself.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    It's both. Your statement that she didn't want to be the first to stop clapping is true in both senses, and she was hired on that basis.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back.
     
    I have to scratch my head when I read things like this. What actually did happen is a direct refutation of what you've just written, and proof that Jack D is right.

    I have zero doubt that the trustees would have sunk the shiv into McCartney's throat if she'd stood up to a complaining black person. In 21st century America this is axiomatic, and if you disagree, can you supply an example where a white person in institutional power did stand up to a black person and survived?
  124. @Mr. Anon
    @North Carolina Resident


    What’s the real reason?
     
    Nobody knows. It's just a complete mystery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6fGFmzgmbw

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=AIPAC+speakers

    Replies: @Altai

    I wonder if this has anything to do with the only right wing stuff being published without comment at the NYT being from Brett Stephens and then only his comments about certain things that you’d think the left would really take issue with…

    • Agree: Richard B
  125. @Gary in Gramercy
    @International Jew

    "I said oh no, William and Mary won't do..."

    Your proposition violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and inhuman punishment.

    Having witnessed the precipitous decline of my alma mater into just another bastion of Wokedom -- some of the black "faculty" didn't get tenure, and the black students are upset; the increasing number of blacks on campus want special housing set aside for them (yes, segregated housing; don't ask); the new college president refuses to endorse the (University of) "Chicago Principles" on campus free speech (guess why not); you should see the emails I received from the school last month, i.e., February (you know what that means) -- I resolved to stop giving to the school's Alumni Fund.

    Then, on Sunday, I got a text from one of my oldest, dearest friends in my college class. He's a class agent, dialing for dollars...for the Alumni Fund. He's done me more personal kindnesses than I can repay if I live to 120. I went to the dedicated website for the school's donations that evening, and gave -- although it hurt.

    In the section where it asks how you want the college to use your donation, I nearly wrote, "Invite John Derbyshire back, and this time, make him welcome." But I didn't want to embarrass my friend, the class agent. How would he ever explain that away?

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @John Pepple, @Paperback Writer

    You’re still giving money to your alma mater? Just don’t. Or give specifically to the most right-wing department on campus. But just stop doing this. How can we have any influence over what is happening when we are giving money to the enemy?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @John Pepple

    Please: I gave $54 to a 2,100-student school with a $2.7 billion endowment, simply as a gesture of friendship to someone (one of our ubiquitous Class Agents) who has stood by me, through thick and thin. My $$ wouldn't buy an Economics 101 textbook. Perspective, perspective!

    Replies: @The Real World

  126. So I joined a nihilistic and heavily biased against Whites industry and it didn’t work out for me.

    DERP.

    Someone took his license to lie away…..and for unprincipled reasons! Oh the humanity.

    Who gives a flying F about this clown town reject.

    It’s like someone getting kicked out of the mob and then complaining about how the new boss is a real jerk.

  127. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Oh, I agree he's a cuck, Anon #158, and that could have been point (6). However, I'm referring to his 90 minute in Peru where he screwed himself out of a job (the way he world is working today). He brought up all kinds of experiences from his 40 years since he was a lefty too, as he explained to them. No, it was not straight off of iSteve or Amren, but he tried to show the other side of the issues with a lot of reasoning. The kids turned all that against him.

    I'm not defending this guy as some stand-up for White People hero. I just explained his mistake.

    Read the part about "in Peru".

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

    It helps to have a local command position when you want to be politically incorrect.

    Not recently at the NYT:

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @El Dato

    Lol. What a great movie!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  128. @Thoughts
    I've read most of it.

    This guy is an idiot.

    He deserves to be fired for his sheer Gentile Naivety.

    He's still...like an idiot...trying to be the good reasonable person. He's still trying to throw bones to the other side 'My grandfather was an anti-semite!'

    So far what I've read was 'Yeah white people are really racist...but not me...and even if it is me...I have aspergers!'

    As my liberal friends say....

    I Can't Even

    Hey idiot white men...you're not the majority anymore, Anglo Saxon values mean nothing, fight or die.

    He should have written a giant expose and taken down as many people possible. He should have Nuked every person he ever worked with. Affairs, womanizing, racism...he should have just made a laundry list of every writer and every off color thing ever said. The minorities would do the rest of the work for him.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @John Johnson

    Thoughts, I agree, especially regarding your solution. There is no reasoning with these people. He was going to get terminated – did you read that long description of the grilling by the lawyer(s)? He was trying to explain in detail every little bit they’d bring up, but, damn, it was quite obvious that he was going to be ousted. Just burn it all down! What do you have to lose?

    BTW, Peter Brimelow, in his quick post with screenshotted tweets on this story – here – brought up something I’d forgotten to mention. 3 or 4 times, maybe more, Mr. McNeil was told by one of the NY Times “workers” of his, “You’ve lost the newsroom! You’ve lost the newsroom!” WTF? It sounds like he’s a leader of a Commie terrorist cell, and he’s lost the support from his terrorist followers. Oh, wait, …

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "You've lost the newsroom" jumped out at me because it's already become such an overused sports cliche -- the ineffective head coach or manager has "lost the room," meaning no one's listening anymore to a single thing he says and he's as good as gone.

    It's depressing that a knowledgeable adult can't risk having a reasonable discussion with young people, but I was even more disturbed reading about the supposedly grown-up children in the NYT newsroom -- Ewwwww, we can't work with the icky old racist! And those interrogation scenes were right out of Kafka. We're not sure what you did, but you must have done something!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  129. @El Dato
    @Anon7

    From the *Scientific American* smugticle:


    Slated to launch later this year, JWST will peer more deeply into the universe than any optical or infrared telescope before it, promising to show us a vision of galaxies in their infancy and probe potentially habitable worlds.
     
    Why not call it "The Big Dark Prober"?

    But first things first: Miss Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an iSteve content generator

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein is an assistant professor of physics and core faculty in women's and gender studies at the University of New Hampshire. She researches dark matter, neutron stars and how ascribed identities shape knowledge in physics and is the author of The Disordered Cosmos: A Journey into Dark Matter, Spacetime, and Dreams Deferred.

    Recent Articles: Sexual Misconduct Allegations against Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveal the Complexity of Academic Inequality

     

    I would never have thought I would say this but most of the non-applied physics sector seems to have become a living Sokal hoax and is in need of serious defunding. It's going to come anyway.

    Replies: @Anon7, @PiltdownMan

    Also,

    The legacy of James Webb is so far from the freedom dreaming that is possible through the lens of a telescope, and it is time for NASA to change the name to something better.

    Before she became a conductor on the Underground Railroad, a disabled and enslaved Harriet Tubman likely used the North Star

    Naming “the next Hubble” the Harriet Tubman Space Telescope (HTST) would ensure that her memory lives always in the heavens that gave her and so many others hope. The HTST could also serve as a reminder that the night sky is a shared heritage that belongs to all of humanity, including LGBTQIA+ people.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @PiltdownMan


    "including LGBTQIA+ people"
     
    Back in the USSR there used to be a rule that every nonfiction book (regardless of topic, be it applied physics or the habits of Amazon indians or 1001 tips on eco-friendly packaging) must have a citation from Marx's or Engels' talmuds.
  130. @Wizard of Oz
    Hello again Steve. I am just taking an efficient if lazy way to involve you in what I have just suggested to Ron in two posts on his Bugs and Suggestions thread. I'll send Part 1 immediately to avoid accidents:

    1. Ron, may I suggest you get the best writer on H-bd that you can cajole to write about the H-bd implicatiins of something which I have just come across that at least should attract the enthusiastic interest of Fred Reed even if it doesn’t end up allowing him to say “I told you so”.

    It came up in the middle of half an hour on the exercise bike watching Coast Australia where Neil Oliver had deputed one of his tame Australian professors to go to the tiny Carnac Island off the coast of Western Australia to consider the puzzle of its very venemous Tiger Snakes with which it was infested.

    The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive. So the question was whether, as in the Galapagos natural selection might have facilitated the changes. How long could they have been evolving in isolation was therefore critical.

    For a reason I can’t remember the founding population dating to separation from the mainland at the end of the last Ice Age was ruled out. Swimming to Carnac Island from another island or the mainland was ruled out by the strong currents and perhaps massive tides. The snake colony was dated, as a matter of probability, to the release of the snakes there about 1930 when the law changed to forbid a well known showman exhibiting his snakes.

    The conclusion favoured was that the possibilities for variation after birth (and maybe from conception I suppose) were built in to the snakes’ genome for instant adaptation to an environment.

    My proposed question would be whether anything similar can be regarded as a human version of the same thing.

    PS Steve. If not you maybe Peter Frost?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @anonymous coward, @Colin Wright

    Ant queens mate only once in their life. Every ant in an ant colony is formed from the genetic material stored during that one mating act. Ant queens (and colonies) live for 20-30 years, and produce a tremendous variation of ant phenotypes in the process.

    So yeah, we don’t know anything about epigenetics, and our understanding of how “evolution” works is laughably crude.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  131. @danand
    @Altai

    ...has an older married Millennial daughter and so has no exposure to what is going...


    “People have to take some responsibility for their own destiny ...yes, a disproportionate amount of the prisoners in U.S. prisons are black. My own daughter, I said, is a public defender in the Bronx, but she realizes that not all of her clients are simply victims of a racist system.”
     
    Good going Don, it’s bad enough you destroy yourself, but now they’ll be going after you’re daughter too.

    “...You can’t blame it all on institutional racism...”
     
    What!!! Don, just check yourself into the asylum now. Have the doc’s certify that your utterance of that bit of blasphemy was the result of a psychotic break triggered by Rush Limbaugh radio program signals being picked up by the gold crown on your upper left inciesor.

    Altai, I fully agree with your take about how amazingly clueless “this other Donald” is of the current world. A world arguably significantly shaped by the rag he’s contributed to over the last 40 years. Makes you wonder; is he so self absorbed, his piece does read that way, that his are only words in the NYT he’s familiar with?

    You’re “auto character-assassination” just nails it. Don’s, excuse me, Donald’s, poorly executed piece could not have been much better crafted if the intent was self-immolation.

    The Don with his bare chested “virgins”:

    https://flic.kr/p/2kGmvHZ

    Replies: @Altai

    It’s still beneficial everytime somebody like this comes up and has lots of friends in high places, but I don’t think he intended to be such a person, he just doesn’t get it. It creates more unease in the higher ups and more sympathy against things being made taboo.

    He’s like a high-brow version of the joke of the dim but narcissistic defendant who wants to be his own lawyer.

    It’s a great lesson that all of this has become a zero-sum ethnic conflict and ‘centrists’ who rail against this will sound no different to white ethnic activists to the other side. Because at the end of the day his problem with it all is that it impinged against him but he and others like him have given away the moral authority to argue for their own group’s collective interests and he is seen in this incident as a ‘white man’ not Donald McNeil, so any argument on stopping this because it’s hurting whites will also be seen as illegitimate. The ‘centrists’ haven’t fully grasped this yet, even McNeil’s piece is full of praise for Nikole Hannah-Jones etc. You’re arguing on quicksand.

    It’s the same in Portland. The people there don’t want all that antifa nonsense but they’ve lost the moral and from that intellectual ability to argue against it. These antifa aren’t basing their actions in class or economics but anti-white idpol and so are untouchable in 2021. People going out and arguing coherently and exclusively for the rights of the poor (Antifa make a show of being ‘socialist’ revolutionaries but they seem uninterested in economic wonkery or anything but dissolving social solidarity and attacking outgroup enemies) would be beaten down by police in a second if they tried what the antifa are doing.

    That’s what happens when you dissolve the boundaries of community and citizenship and can’t argue in defense for your community and society. If you can’t define what you practically want on the basis for whom you represent and their interests you just get vague moral posturing.

    What do you want? Who do you represent? This should be asked of every citizen and every politician constantly.

    • Agree: Travis
  132. @Anon
    @El Dato

    The best part of Weinstein’s argument:

    “I’m not even sure I qualify as White. I’m Jewish. My people were persecuted by Europeans.”

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    Remember – Hitler killed 6 million white people.

  133. @PiltdownMan
    @El Dato

    Also,


    The legacy of James Webb is so far from the freedom dreaming that is possible through the lens of a telescope, and it is time for NASA to change the name to something better.
    ...

    Before she became a conductor on the Underground Railroad, a disabled and enslaved Harriet Tubman likely used the North Star ...

    Naming “the next Hubble” the Harriet Tubman Space Telescope (HTST) would ensure that her memory lives always in the heavens that gave her and so many others hope. The HTST could also serve as a reminder that the night sky is a shared heritage that belongs to all of humanity, including LGBTQIA+ people.
     

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    “including LGBTQIA+ people”

    Back in the USSR there used to be a rule that every nonfiction book (regardless of topic, be it applied physics or the habits of Amazon indians or 1001 tips on eco-friendly packaging) must have a citation from Marx’s or Engels’ talmuds.

  134. “McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract”

    I’m old enough to remember the Gray Whore back in the days of Scotty Reston, A.M. Rosenthal and Arthur Krock. You know, those halcyon days when the New York Times (as it was known then) prided itself in its support for labor while flashing its New Deal liberal credentials hither and yon.

    My, but how things have changed!

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Prester John

    The NYSlimes view was “ unions for thee, but not for me”. Must rankle the LOL “ journalists” that they are paid less and have fewer benefits than the C- high school grad GED black and brown city bus drivers.

  135. McNeil is a veteran union activist

    The price for getting our schools, churches, and families back will be admitting we were wrong about unions.

    • Agree: Rob
  136. • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
    @MEH 0910

    LOL in the NYT's own coverage of McNeil's appeasement attempt they continue to tell flat-out deliberate lies about him, that he used a "racial slur." But I'm sure nothing will deter him from his pre-doomed appeasement campaign.

  137. Clearly the elitist pompous idiot (i.e. typical NYT scribbler) hasn’t learned a thing. Still desperately trying to appease the witch-hunting lynch mob.

    As many have pointed out, the real reason the NYT brass gave the braying mob McNeil’s head is because he was a union rep. Well, if it’s true that the mob was made up mostly of younger NYT scribblers, at least I can laugh at how they’re collaborating in their own economic liquidation. Just like anyone who’s not one of the elite class who supports the whole Woke-ovid assault.

  138. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It’s very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    Disagree. The trustees are useless, but unlikely to fire the college president in re a mundane disciplinary matter. The responsible party for turning this into a lallapalooza is McCartney herself.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    It’s both. Your statement that she didn’t want to be the first to stop clapping is true in both senses, and she was hired on that basis.

  139. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimesbusiness/status/1366485908762087427

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman

    LOL in the NYT’s own coverage of McNeil’s appeasement attempt they continue to tell flat-out deliberate lies about him, that he used a “racial slur.” But I’m sure nothing will deter him from his pre-doomed appeasement campaign.

  140. “We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.”

    For some Orwellian definition of “free press” and “democracy”, propagandists and professional liars like the entire NYT stable are indeed playing a big role in making America and the West what it’s become.

    I missed the part where McNeil spoke out against the radically escalated propaganda and censorship regime, in which the NYT has played such a prominent role.

  141. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts, I agree, especially regarding your solution. There is no reasoning with these people. He was going to get terminated - did you read that long description of the grilling by the lawyer(s)? He was trying to explain in detail every little bit they'd bring up, but, damn, it was quite obvious that he was going to be ousted. Just burn it all down! What do you have to lose?

    BTW, Peter Brimelow, in his quick post with screenshotted tweets on this story - here - brought up something I'd forgotten to mention. 3 or 4 times, maybe more, Mr. McNeil was told by one of the NY Times "workers" of his, "You've lost the newsroom! You've lost the newsroom!" WTF? It sounds like he's a leader of a Commie terrorist cell, and he's lost the support from his terrorist followers. Oh, wait, ...

    Replies: @Known Fact

    “You’ve lost the newsroom” jumped out at me because it’s already become such an overused sports cliche — the ineffective head coach or manager has “lost the room,” meaning no one’s listening anymore to a single thing he says and he’s as good as gone.

    It’s depressing that a knowledgeable adult can’t risk having a reasonable discussion with young people, but I was even more disturbed reading about the supposedly grown-up children in the NYT newsroom — Ewwwww, we can’t work with the icky old racist! And those interrogation scenes were right out of Kafka. We’re not sure what you did, but you must have done something!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Known Fact


    It’s depressing that a knowledgeable adult can’t risk having a reasonable discussion with young people,...
     
    Indeed, Known Fact. I run into young snowflakes, usually girls, say 20 to 25, who I really don't think understand how to have a conversation at all about any opinions that they don't already hold as true. Their eyes get weird looking, and I usually mutter something like "idiots" and walk away...
  142. @Clyde
    @AnotherDad

    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America. Your minoritarian buzz word gets parroted by no one here, which means something. Shoving this societal mess onto the Jews is at best one tenth the truth in America, much less so in Europe, Canada, Australia. Time for a new buzzword? You have lots of good things to say, but now I do a quickie skim for your posts.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    White gentiles taking responsibility looks like and inseparably is the rejection of Jewish fraud gurus, Jewish poisonous ideas, Jewish media products and channels, and the normality of Jewish extremism, and is militantly guarded against by the full force of the United States Government augmented by extragovernmental organizations, extralegal pressures, and white gentiles’ own personal devotion to the twentieth century Jewish American vision, which is not thought of as its own thing, but as our default national ideology.

    What is this braindead argument that Jews cannot have any influence because there are very few of them? If the Jews had the numbers they wouldn’t need to bother with influence.
    >but but but this one guy, who carries water for the SPLC, is one hundred per cent goy
    Then I judge him by his behavior as the evidence of the content of his character, and his meaningless blood will not save him. And the full-blown, in-every-sense Jew who loves America I count as an American. Gosh this stuff is so super complicated you really need the secret decoder ring.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @J.Ross

    Ridiculous paranoia from you and a legitimate shrink will tell you this. What you have posted is just a fancy way of saying that non-Jewish whites in the US have no agency and are idiots.
    Jews have influence in America. Their numbers are much smaller in Europe. How do they also control European whites and what goes on in Europe? What goes on in The UK?

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross, @Polistra, @ben tillman

  143. “We make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies.”

    I’m sorry, but I simply can’t muster up any amount of pity much less sorrow for such a person. Sorry that as a white person he is having to endure this kind of Show Trial, yes of course. But sorry for him as an individual, no, not a single a bit at all. Pompous, arrogant, self-absorbed, and above all defender of Woke Culture in general (“I’m no racist, not like those sub-human right wingers”), and also, completely out of touch with how the vast majority of the US lives, breathes, endures, while having to go through far worse than he does. Because he’s a representative of the MSM, and located in NY, this is magnified out of proportion, but ultimately, he was a part of the system that is now currently devouring him.

    What did he do all these years to correct the situation? Nothing, in some ways he made it worse.

    What did he do to help those of whose political ideology he did not share? Nothing, in some ways he handed them over to the other side.

    What did he do as a person of no color to help stem the tide vs. Woke Culture? Nothing, in some ways he hastened it, if not outright encouraged it to continue to attack other white people. After all, they’re automatically guilty of being white.

    And finally question: As a member of the NYT in position of authorty for several years, what did he do officially to help take up the cause of fellow journalist Julian Assange? Nothing. Talk about democracy dying while a representative of the free press (albeit an independent one at that) happened not to be on the politically correct side is thrown to the wolves and faces far, far, worse charges than ever this person will know, while he does nothing in his official capacity as a NYT journalist….in some ways THAT is the more unforgivable sin. Without a free press indeed. Sanctimonious hypocrite.

    He sowed it, he reaped it. Just too bad but someone has to be a scapegoat during the Current Year for the Woke mob.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  144. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so. Race is used as a canard to shame and ostracize only when the braying crowd turns.

    It is true at any point any white could possibly be turned on, but the reality is the elite whites know they can punch down any time they want and yell “look, white trash racists!” And lazy journalists follow the easy prey.

    Now if wokeness runs unabated this could become Zimbabwe. But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Keep telling yourself that. Slowly but surely the mob is turning. Think Harvey Weinstein. And he was not a gentile. It can happen to anyone. To be consistent in the politics, several Jews in authority will have to be sacrificed to the Woke mob if they suddenly turn on them for various sins of White Privilege.

    It can happen to anyone deemed as white and not a person of color.

    Should it hit critical mass, and more Jews in authority do become sacrificed than was expected, then yes, suddenly we will see some kind of lame excuses offered a la “Maybe not all whites are bad; perhaps we shouldn’t be so hasty to run them all out of town on a rail, etc etc.” Self survival and all that. But don’t be surprised if many, many Jews do get sacrificed to the mob, should it decide to turn on them.

    After all, blacks don’t see Jews as fellow blacks. So what color are they? They’re just a bunch of whiteys.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Recently, Bret Weinstein tried to deny his whiteness, but was enlightened by a great black thinker who told him that Jews are spicy whites. So, while blacks think of Jews as whites, that is someone to hate, they also view them as being different from the mass of bland whites.

  145. @Thoughts
    I've read most of it.

    This guy is an idiot.

    He deserves to be fired for his sheer Gentile Naivety.

    He's still...like an idiot...trying to be the good reasonable person. He's still trying to throw bones to the other side 'My grandfather was an anti-semite!'

    So far what I've read was 'Yeah white people are really racist...but not me...and even if it is me...I have aspergers!'

    As my liberal friends say....

    I Can't Even

    Hey idiot white men...you're not the majority anymore, Anglo Saxon values mean nothing, fight or die.

    He should have written a giant expose and taken down as many people possible. He should have Nuked every person he ever worked with. Affairs, womanizing, racism...he should have just made a laundry list of every writer and every off color thing ever said. The minorities would do the rest of the work for him.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @John Johnson

    He should have written a giant expose and taken down as many people possible. He should have Nuked every person he ever worked with.

    These guys never have an exit strategy. He thought he would always be the sciency “Good White” that no one really noticed.

    What he doesn’t get is that the left deeply resents smart White guys.

    It’s a really bad time to be a White guy in a left-wing organization. Even though Democrats have all three houses the left is continuing to crack up and go on witch hunts.

    He also doesn’t seem to know much about teenagers. You never want to joke with them in that type of position. They will take the jokes further and you will lose your aura of authority.

    He should also know better than to bring up politically incorrect aspects of African culture in casual conversation. Kind of a big DUH.

  146. @Travis
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    due to demographics the time to take a stand for White rights has passed. The White population has declined over the last decade. This is just the beginning of the decline. the median age of white Americans is 45 year-old and the majority of young Americans are non-white and fully behind the anti-white agenda. We no longer have enough fertile white females to sustain the white population.

    The most important demographics for whites is the number of whites under the age of 40. Back in 1990 we had 122 million whites in this age cohort. Today just 97 million whites in this vital age cohort, a reduction of 21% in the white population of young people in America since the 1990. Most of the young whites today have been indoctrinated with woke dogma and either believe it or use it to destroy other whites to advance their careers. The whites most opposed to the woke agenda are close to retirement and lack the energy to fight back against the woke agenda. This writer typifies the leftist boomers who are either clueless or fear fighting back because they want to stay employed for a few more years. People like him will continue to grovel and apologize for being white in the hope that they can remain employed for another few years. Few will refuse to apologize and fewer will actually fight back. Most whites will continue to mock people like him for being foolish , We cannot expect solidarity from whites to defend other whites from the woke witch hunts.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    This is the truth, all of it.

    That’s also why I say that Jews as well won’t be safe from the Woke mob either. Oh, sure, they may lead a lot of it, but the mob will come for them as well eventually. After all, they’re not peoples of color.

    • Agree: Rich
  147. @Dr. X
    Oh, the witch-hunting is just beginning.

    It's now the official doctrine of state colleges in New York to throw students out if they believe that "a man is a man, and a woman is a woman":

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/27/suny-geneseo-suspends-education-student-for-saying-a-man-is-a-man-a-woman-is-a-woman/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abolish_public_education, @ScarletNumber

    Dr., Geneseo is, or was, considered to be a flagship college in the SUNY system. This is sad and what is sadder is that tenured professors who are harder to remove than a blood stain, are too afraid to say anything. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Geneseo is the de facto honors college, not the flagship, just the most selective. It's a teaching institution with around 5,000 students. Binghamton is a shade less selective, but has an enrollment 3x as large and offers research degrees. To the extent there can be said to be a flagship, it's Buffalo, which has the largest enrollment, offers research degrees, has a university medical center, law school, &c. (IIRC, neither Geneseo nor Binghamton have an engineering school).

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ScarletNumber, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

  148. Glad to see the subject of news respond from his or her frame of reference. In the absence of independent factual support, it is not possible to determine whether the “news” about this person or his view of it is correct.

  149. From the linked segment “What Happened In Peru?”:

    “You need more than a generation or two to make up for that damage, so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum. And that’s when I said affirmative action wouldn’t have succeeded when a super-smart black kid got into Harvard, it would have succeeded when a dumb black kid got into Harvard because his black grandfather had gone there, gotten rich and left Harvard a lot of money. (Because that’s how people like George Bush got into college.)”

    I’m calling bullshit on all of that. I never liked the Bush dynasty, but Samuel P. Bush (little Bush’s great grand daddy) went to a technical school in Hoboken, NJ before going out into the world and producing the original Bush fortune. And while little Bush is not Mensa material, he’s brilliant compared, to say, Leonard Pitts, Jr. or Tah_Na_Heshi Coates (I’m not even going to bother a spell check on that retardate) .

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    George W. Bush also got his undergrad degree from Yale and did his MBA at Harvard. He obviously got into Yale because his father had gone there and was politically well connected. I think the Ivies are already taking black kids who are less than super smart, not because their grandfather left a lot of money, but because of the color of their skin. A mediocre hard partying student like George W. Bush was can sail through with a 3.5 GPA or better. But who cares about any details or reality at all, our elites like McNeil know best.

  150. Since y’all are so keen on this comparison. This is a primer on the open questions debated in Chinese intelligentsia around Cultural Revolution—there is a lot that we still don’t understand

    Why did Mao start CR and in so destroy his legacy? Mao is someone throughly knowledgeable of dynastic history and aware of importance of historical legacy and reputation. Had he retired in late 1950s after Korean War and before Great Leap Forward, he would have gone down in historiography as probably one of the three greatest leader/emperor of all time, almost flawless. After Great Leap Forward, he could have still handed things off to Liu Shaoqi and Deng; his reputation would have been greatly damaged but not irreparably so.

    What happened with Lin Biao? In the Civil War 1945-49 Lin was regarded as PLA’s Manstein. Post Civil War he passed on a chance to lead troops in Korea. But came back in CR as Mao’s second in command and his biggest supporter in many of the craziness. And then…something happened, he was already in poor health, and supposedly his son and wife ushered him on a plane to USSR which crashed in Mongolia in 1971. This is one of the triggers that ended CR and its greatest mystery.

    Deng’s survival—why did he and not others survive the purges? and would be destined to lead PRC in Reform and Opening Up.

    It’s said that Only Nixon Can go to China. Similarly, Mao, supposedly the far left ideologue, who was alone in CCP leadership to advocate taking on US in Korea, can open doors to America in 1972. Thereby 1) siding with US against Soviets, 2) begins The Most Important Trade Relationship of The World Today. This marked the end of CR.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Kissinger thought that Mao's primary motive was self-aggrandizement & that he wanted to be remembered as the real beginning of something completely New, not just a link in a 4000 years old Chinese history, even the most important modern link. Therefore not just Confucius, but even figures like Yellow Emperor, had to go into oblivion or insignificance. There was room for only one Man-God.

    Just Kissinger's thoughts ....

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The purpose of the Cultural Revolution was to solve the "pigs sleeping in the farmer's bed" problem with Communist revolutions that Orwell had pointed out. Mao, in his mind, had not fought and won a Revolution, at tremendous cost (not that he cared about human lives) just in order for a different set of bureaucrats to replace their predecessors. He thus came up with the doctrine of "Continuous Revolution". The Revolution was not a one and done thing. Like democracy in our system, you had to remain eternally on guard for the Revolution to prevail. One way to accomplish this was to periodically shake things up.

    Of course, Mao exempted himself from the Continuous Revolution. It was necessary to keep scrambling the eggs in order to make a more perfect omelet, but the Revolution needed someone to wield the omelet scrambling spatula and that someone was Mao. An added benefit of this was that if everyone else was too busy getting scrambled or dodging the spatula, then they were too busy and off balance to challenge Mao for title of Chief Spatula Wielder or to try to take a spatula to Mao himself. You'll note that not long after Mao died, Madame Mao and her gang did not have the mad skillz to pull this off and sure enough they soon fell prey to the spatula themselves.

  151. @AndrewR
    @Dan Hayes

    Tucker has enough money to let his children live into old age in luxury without working a day.

    The most generous explanation of his timidity is that he thinks he can do more good for the world by slightly censoring himself on Fox than by starting an uncensored podcast or something. But frankly my money is on him just being greedy and cowardly.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Richard B

    It’s not just the money; it’s knowing that the most powerful, unified and vindictive force in our nation (and their shabbos goy dependents) will take direct aim on him and his family. You can call that cowardly, and in a sense it is, but it’s not something you or I have to face.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, Richard B
  152. I’d like to see this guy on stage with Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I’d like to see this guy on stage with Fred Reed.

    Why?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

  153. To me, the thing that best illustrated how crazy and fanatical the Times people are is when, during his inquisition, McNeil was questioned on whether he had actually said disrespectful things about a Peruvian shaman.

  154. @Altai
    This guy's tone and everything else won't help his case at all with the people who are after him and, of course, barely anyone was going to try to defend him anyway.

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That's all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don't use 'n-word' but nothing else.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @Hypnotoad666

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows.

    Your several comments expanded very well on my initial impression — he needed someone to work with him to shape this testimony, a writer who could play the role of reader, because he’s too wrapped up in it all.

    I’m guessing he’s an excellent reporter but perhaps not so great a writer. He’s so determined to be forthright, honest and detailed that he just keeps digging himself in deeper — you can almost see how this same thing happened when he was blathering away in those Peru discussion sessions.

    It’s sad that he was brought down by an absurd sidebar to his career — not his actual work but some tragicomic expedition into the heart of darkness. It’s also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Known Fact


    It’s also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.
     
    A problem is that HR departments are full of people who don't react to these controversies the way normal people do, they overreact and are people who are themselves obsessed with how others see them and being 'okay'. They and marketing are plugged into social media 24/7 now too and the older women who run them are so terrified of being left behind that they treat every trend on social media with deadly seriousness.

    Most of these things are perfectly weatherable in terms of the general public if they even reach them.

    The chance to beat down working conditions for non-managers was also probably a nice incentive too. But that will only accelerate the NYT's decent as it's staff become more and more young women with certain personality types.

    Gaze into the abyss of the Washington Post Tiktok account.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE3UBkqfA5c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_BQcR_6gmc

    Replies: @Jack D

  155. @J.Ross
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    >Jews and East Asians and South Asians (none of whom are white) will see any advantage whatsoever to them in saving whites, whom they see as an enemy
    You want to put money on that? Organizational Jews have already repeatedly responded to the blowback targeting of Jews by doubling down.
    >Steve said so
    Steve also thinks that antifa will be reined in at some point and that the lockdown is a medical thing which will graciously end once some threshold is passed, like masks or vaccination or whatever.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The two biggest ethnic schisms in the US are black vs non-black and Jew vs goy. Deslite the best efforts of Jews to have their cake and eat it too, demonizing whiteness too much can be bad for the Jews insofar as Jews are deemed white.

    And the coalition of the fringes can only withstand so much blackness. As the last year has shown quite starkly, blacks are not content to be even equal partners in this coalition, let alone junior partners. Black narcissism is a dangerous golem that cannot easily be dialed back.

  156. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder who’ll agree to be a guest leader/lecturer in the future now that McNeil probably won’t be called back?

    Dear Mr. Derbyshire,

    We at The Putney School cordially invite you to be our guest leader for the 2021 Student Journey focusing on women in STEM. Your book Prime Obsession was well-received among the Putney Women in STEM study group and they look forward to hearing your views on the role of women in mathematics and any of your other areas of interest.

    Very Respectfully,
    Emily H. Jones
    Head of School

    • LOL: Tono Bungay
  157. He should have been fired for his part in the wall of propaganda on the Wu-Flu that the Slave-Owners Daily produces.

  158. @Wade Hampton
    @Michelle


    "...journalists...make America what it is — without a free press, democracy dies..."
     
    Agree completely with your comment, Michelle. What a fatuous idiot this guy is.

    --Presumably he wrote his essay to somehow repair his public image or gain public sympathy. If he was concerned about either, he should have remained silent.

    --As far as "journalists making America what it is", if he's talking about the country's decay, then he's right.

    --America has a free press, but the NYT isn't a member. The NYT is owned by the Ruling Class and sticks to their approved narrative.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    The most cringeworthy part is that his defense is 10,000+ words of verbal diarrhea trying to recount in excruciating detail what he said as if he could possibly be exonerated. The truth about what was said is no defense! How can this idiot still not see that?

    There is maybe 45% of the country that couldn’t give a shit, even in principle, about the stupid ideas and delicate sensibilities of pozzed Zoomers. These people are called Trump voters. For all the other goodwhites trying to justify having said *that word* or mocking a witch doctor or defending blackface for lawyerly reasons is anachronistic and pointless. If you’ve bought into the new religion then his objections sound like the teacher in Charlie Brown.

  159. Despite his earnest efforts to try even a sympathetic reader’s patience at 1 AM, there are some nuggets of pure Catch-22 gold. Things got especially bizarre and claustrophobic when his ex-wife of all people shows up out of the blue, like those TV or movie standoffs where they bring your family out — the family that drove you nuts in the first place — to try and talk you down. And the ex-wife’s new husband is one of the legal goons that’s out to rough him up?

    I can understand Donald’s painful earnestness about all this, but with just a little bit of wit and style here he could have reduced the Times to rubble.

  160. @ScarletNumber
    @Known Fact


    It’s like the classic bind where someone says, “You’re being stubborn” and if you say a word in response it’s just taken as more proof that see, you are being stubborn.
     
    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.

    Also, his jackal analogy reminds me of the frog and the scorpion.

    Replies: @FPD72

    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.

    It’s called a Kafka Trap. The name comes from Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” in which the protagonist is enmeshed in a process designed to destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. It is an unfalsifiable form of argument that attempts to overcome an opponent by inducing a sense of guilt and using the opponent’s denial of guilt as further evidence of guilt

    In this instance, the Kafka Trap takes the form, “The fact that you deny being a racist proves that you are a racist.” It’s obviously a logical fallacy; it’s a form of Begging the Question or Circular Reasoning.

    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
    @FPD72


    It’s called a Kafka Trap. The name comes from Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” in which the protagonist is enmeshed in a process designed to destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. It is an unfalsifiable form of argument that attempts to overcome an opponent by inducing a sense of guilt and using the opponent’s denial of guilt as further evidence of guilt
     
    Watching all this, especially in the cases of elitists like McNeil or the guy that got "cancelled" from the Guardian yet still insists there's no such thing as a Cancel Culture, I'm getting a better understanding of how it was that the defendants in Stalin's show trials were so often willing and eager to confess to the most absurd allegations, if only they could somehow feel that made them still part of the team, one of the cool kids.

    That brings up another aspect of the Kafka comparison - in reading The Trial I got the strong sense that Kafka was implying Josef K could bring the persecution to an end at any time simply by refusing any longer to cooperate with it and just walking away. But since K desperately wanted above all else to have his name cleared by a system he deeply respects, he never could bring himself to do that.

    So it is and so it will continue to be for any target of the mob who, out of elitist ideology or careerism or simple cowardice desperately wants to be considered still part of the globalist technocratic system, even if only as a condemned convict, rather than walk away to join the ranks of the unwashed peasants/populists/deplorables/regular human beings.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  161. @Anon
    It is really stupid to post this. It had already died down. His initial instincts were right, to ignore it.

    Nobody's going to read this stream-of-consciousness 20,000-word turd. But now his enemies have fuel to reignite the fire, and plenty of verbiage to scan for short, self-incriminating nuggets.

    If his attorneys think he has a case, let them handle it in court. And shut up. There is nothing you can write, nothing you can say that will win against a guerrilla online mob. Just let it die, and let it stay dead.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Barnard

    He is too arrogant to let it go. McNeil considers himself in his position at the N.Y. Times as the equivalent of a member of the college of Cardinals in 15th Century Rome. How dare some peon take that away from him. These people truly think their opinions are the most important in the world and it is their duty to cover the news in a certain way in order to manipulate the public into thinking and believing the “right” thoughts. That he isn’t a good writer in the first place would be completely lost on him, how dare anyone say that, he worked for the N.Y. Times for 45 years.

  162. @SFG
    @Dan Hayes

    It's an interesting question. My best guess is being that involved with the union probably protected him for a while, until as Mr. Unz says management realized they could use wokeness to get rid of him.

    I suspect a lot of this 'white male bad' stuff is so eagerly embraced by corporations because they have a large bunch of Gen-X and Boomer older white middle management who are expensive, and 'diversity' is a nice excuse to get rid of them and hire new younger, cheaper, diverse employees.

    Follow the money.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Unions have a duty to represent. He should sue them til they squeak.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  163. anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor
    Anti-White hatred has been going on for generations, but it's now so obvious that even the village idiot can't claim it's "chicken little" to point it out.

    Everyone admits the hatred directed at White children. But for the last 50 years, we've had Really Smart White guys, often from the midwest, who thought their okie dokie, Good Doggie, Tom Hanks' persona would win the day (usually by throwing other White people under the bus).

    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I'm afraid it's the "White enclave" effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their "high principles" and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde

    As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their “high principles” and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    Please explain what you mean by the language in bold.

  164. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    From the linked segment "What Happened In Peru?":

    "You need more than a generation or two to make up for that damage, so affirmative action should last 300 years at a minimum. And that’s when I said affirmative action wouldn’t have succeeded when a super-smart black kid got into Harvard, it would have succeeded when a dumb black kid got into Harvard because his black grandfather had gone there, gotten rich and left Harvard a lot of money. (Because that’s how people like George Bush got into college.)"

    I'm calling bullshit on all of that. I never liked the Bush dynasty, but Samuel P. Bush (little Bush's great grand daddy) went to a technical school in Hoboken, NJ before going out into the world and producing the original Bush fortune. And while little Bush is not Mensa material, he's brilliant compared, to say, Leonard Pitts, Jr. or Tah_Na_Heshi Coates (I'm not even going to bother a spell check on that retardate) .

    Replies: @Barnard

    George W. Bush also got his undergrad degree from Yale and did his MBA at Harvard. He obviously got into Yale because his father had gone there and was politically well connected. I think the Ivies are already taking black kids who are less than super smart, not because their grandfather left a lot of money, but because of the color of their skin. A mediocre hard partying student like George W. Bush was can sail through with a 3.5 GPA or better. But who cares about any details or reality at all, our elites like McNeil know best.

  165. @wren
    OT: I really don't like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    https://www.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1366498703452872704

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin, @Rich, @Daniel H, @Dan Hayes

    If John Brennan were in SAG, he’d probably get a lot of work. He ‘d be typecast as the corrupt, thuggish police commissioner, CEO, military general, or CIA head.

    • Agree: wren
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Harry Baldwin


    If John Brennan were in SAG, he’d probably get a lot of work. He ‘d be typecast as the corrupt, thuggish police commissioner, CEO, military general, or CIA head.
     
    Now Brennan is just a thug who allegedly took a pledge to Islam. Give him two years to come out as a trans-thug. Just going with the flow. Brennan was a prime architect of the Russia hoax. Susan Rice is a Mocha Mafia thug but being female she tones down her act to be very slippery. She is the power behind the throne along with Mocha Mafia Obama. Valerie Jarret and Kamala round out this DC based Mafia.

    Kamala just arrived in DC so she is a junior member of this Mafia and will follow directions from Rice and Obama once they get rid of that annoying stale pale male Biden. Jill Biden will try to keep her husband propped up Weekend at Bernie's style for as long as possible, counter acting the Mocha Mafia.

    Replies: @sayless

  166. @John Pepple
    @Gary in Gramercy

    You're still giving money to your alma mater? Just don't. Or give specifically to the most right-wing department on campus. But just stop doing this. How can we have any influence over what is happening when we are giving money to the enemy?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Please: I gave $54 to a 2,100-student school with a $2.7 billion endowment, simply as a gesture of friendship to someone (one of our ubiquitous Class Agents) who has stood by me, through thick and thin. My $$ wouldn’t buy an Economics 101 textbook. Perspective, perspective!

    • Replies: @The Real World
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Gary - I enjoyed your story and am not looking to beat on you.

    But, I was also very disappointed in the last part. Your friend and the school are two different things, it doesn't make sense to combine them, especially when the school has gone off its rocker in a bad way.

    Next time he calls, you should offer to contribute to whatever charitable cause he supports other than the school. We cannot enable insanity otherwise we deserve what we get. Cheers....

  167. @RichardTaylor
    Anti-White hatred has been going on for generations, but it's now so obvious that even the village idiot can't claim it's "chicken little" to point it out.

    Everyone admits the hatred directed at White children. But for the last 50 years, we've had Really Smart White guys, often from the midwest, who thought their okie dokie, Good Doggie, Tom Hanks' persona would win the day (usually by throwing other White people under the bus).

    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I'm afraid it's the "White enclave" effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their "high principles" and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde

    I ran out of [Thanks]’s and so on, but thanks for that comment, Mr. Taylor.

    I will add that any Chicken Little who points that out now is at the risk of getting his virtual neck wrung. That’s what it’s come to after those 50 years of White people just going along to get along.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  168. @HammerJack
    @Paperback Writer

    The Jewish kid's life won't be "ruined" in the slightest, as I expect you know well.

    "S/he" won't even suffer the indignity of exposure. That's privilege.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I’m not going to the trouble of looking up stuff for you – I’ll do this later, for myself – but I gathered that the Jewish kid is indeed going to be made to suffer. That’s the reason for discussing the matter. The name is known in his circles.

    Stupid is as stupid does, but lazy is inexcusable.

    • Troll: Polistra
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer

    I’m sure her suffering will be similar to that of Bernardine Oehrnstein.

    , @HammerJack
    @Paperback Writer

    If you had any evidence at all for your preposterous apologia, you'd have posted it by now. You're certainly not fooling anyone here.

  169. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paperback Writer


    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid’s life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.
     
    Yeah, but I was an anti-judaist, I would answer something like that: hostile Jewish elites either don't care for Jewish proles, or they are realistic- you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

    Can I quote you?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paperback Writer

    https://i.gifer.com/9Yhz.gif

  170. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @jon
    @Charles St. Charles


    If the blacks win
     
    That's the one thing we all know won't happen. The only real question is if the future leaders will be Lee-Goldbergs or Goldberg-Lees.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If the Blacks won in South Africa, they can win in the United States.

    Jewish groups tend to be servants of the government, not the government itself. They act as brains and technicians for some brutal group that needs them, South Africa being an example. The pre-Civil War was another example. In the present case, the brutal group is the Blacks. Note that the “can’t win” Black group now dominates the Federal Government through judicial and academic interpretations of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    It’s true that the Blacks are living in almost uninhabitable cities, and the cities will deteriorate sharply from the present on, but what Blacks apparently want is to be free to act naturally, most particularly to allow the young men to fight it out with each other, the old men (who have been tested by fights during their youth) to act as autocratic authority figures, and the women to manage subsistence and child rearing (primarily through government payments in the US). It’s a workable human ecology, and is widespread in Africa. It is also insensitive to high rates of injury and death, and at least avoids the always increasing levels of mutational load that the European human ecology tends to impose. Remember reading about the Hapsburgs?

    Such a simple and rugged economy can be provided by a fairly small group of professional politicians, provided long enough to destroy the present US infrastructure. Or perhaps “can be” should have been written “has been“.

    If you wander into a serious conflict thinking “the opposition can’t win”, you’ve already lost. If you want a live example that won’t harm you, try playing any competitive game, Checkers to Chess, while thinking that your opposition can’t win.

  171. @RichardTaylor
    Anti-White hatred has been going on for generations, but it's now so obvious that even the village idiot can't claim it's "chicken little" to point it out.

    Everyone admits the hatred directed at White children. But for the last 50 years, we've had Really Smart White guys, often from the midwest, who thought their okie dokie, Good Doggie, Tom Hanks' persona would win the day (usually by throwing other White people under the bus).

    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I'm afraid it's the "White enclave" effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their "high principles" and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde

    How such behavior came from the descendants of Vikings and Germans is beyond me. I’m afraid it’s the “White enclave” effect. As soon as a lot of Whites get safe and secure, they start prattling on about their “high principles” and forget the debt they owe a White society and polity.

    Your final paragraph is especially good. This is the first time I have seen this explanation.

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
  172. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    We can befriend you for years, and then bite off your arm just as you’re offering us a treat. We can’t help it. It’s the nature of the job.
     
    What the hell is he talking about here?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    We can befriend you for years, and then bite off your arm just as you’re offering us a treat. We can’t help it. It’s the nature of the job.

    What the hell is he talking about here?

  173. @Ma Laoshi
    @Getaclue

    That McNeil video was early days but if you watched it, I think you'd discover his point to be that endless lockdowns indeed are mostly COVID theater--not a comprehensive policy. People in China were asked (well, given how the place works, more like told) to sacrifice; it worked, and starting from six weeks later they got their country back. I think I understand Westerners who are pissed-off at the COVID restrictions: after all, they're not being offered an endgame, and the only point of sacrifice seems to be even more sacrifice and control. Then again, endless American selfishness is also a thing, and it's finally catching up with you.

    Not directly related but it sorta fits the mood. To all those Trumpies who so eagerly followed the Donald's "We're all going after China and Chinese now": did it ever occur to you that a few more Asian-American votes might've come in handy?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    it worked,

    What evidence do you have for that statement?

    The Chinese Govt did not create the illusion of a pandemic by using RT-PCR testing.

    That’s “What worked”.

    • Agree: BB753, DCThrowback
    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    @Bill Jones

    >>it worked
    "What evidence do you have for that statement?"
    Well how about asking a Chinese--no shortage of those last time I checked. Or consult just about anybody save for renowned virologist Steve Bannon. Or check the mortality graphs. Or...

    Chinese summarize the American position as "China's measures were barbaric and ineffective; plus they didn't inform us, so we didn't have time to emulate them. China covered up millions of deaths--even though the virus is not dangerous. We're always right, especially when we contradict ourselves."

    Then again, one of the last remaining freedoms of Americans is the freedom to choose their own reality. I've seen that this is something very dear to them (related to their "Faith" no doubt), so I'd rather not infringe on it.

    , @DCThrowback
    @Bill Jones

    They also proved that asymptomatic spread was fictitious, yet none are so blind as those who do not wish to see.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

    "Of the 300 (out of 10,000,000 sampled) asymptomatic positive cases, two cases came from one family and another two were from another family. There were no previously confirmed COVID-19 patients in these two families. A total of 1174 close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases were traced, and they all tested negative for the COVID-19."

  174. @SFG
    @Paperback Writer

    It's complicated.

    You don't get any 'diversity' points because you're already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you're Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don't want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

    However, if you're born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there's a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.

    The 'diversity' racket in fact does not particularly help Jews (sorry Forward and Tikkun, nobody actually sees you as 'nonwhite' except white nationalists who hate you anyway-Your. Skin. Is. Pink.), but a lot of them actually believe the liberal BS and are surprised when it turns on them. (Look at Scott Alexander, who in his recent and IMHO quite perceptive advice to tell the GOP to talk about class as a way of weaponizing right-wing populism, says 'I hate you and you hate me'. Well, actually, Scott, practically everyone defending you in this NYT dustup was right of center. Sometimes people don't know who their friends are.)

    That it may have been a more complicated strategy to push the remaining white gentiles out of Harvard and the establishments of the pre-60s WASP elite I'm a little more agnostic about. It strikes me as the kind of thing that works really well until it blows up in your face, but then that's how I feel about short-selling stocks, and plenty of people do that for a living. So-make up your own mind on that one.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I agree with you 100%.

    This is the sort of Jewish (really, elite) criticism that I can engage with.

    It’s complicated.

    Yes.

    You don’t get any ‘diversity’ points because you’re already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you’re Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don’t want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

    In fact, this is a huge catalyst to Jewish success. You don’t want to be the colleague or, worse yet, the subordinate to a Gentile who resents his Jewish boss. You’ll get dumped on in all sorts of sneaky ways.

    However, if you’re born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there’s a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.

    The connections game is everything but it’s even more subtle than you indicate. I know this will produce gales of mirth from the usual suspects here but Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.

    Jews will promote a black guy with a 100 IQ over a 125-IQ Jew. Jews in the financial industry adore Italians. (See Home Depot founding: 2 Jews and an Italian, not to mention Lew Ranieri, whose name escapes the resident Jew-haters here, because they’re too stupid to know who he is).

    The Jewish connections game is the old WASP model: go to the right school, get the right background and you can skate. And yes, a big proportion of that crowd is Jewish (see under: Kushner). I understand the resentment. I feel it myself. But there’s no conspiracy to take down Christian civilization.

    The worst group as far as promoting their own openly was Southerners. I say “was” because their day is over. Read the history of the NY Times. White Southerners used to be prominent there (back in Abe Rosenthal’s days, which illustrates what I was saying above). They didn’t bother covering up they promoted within the tribe. They boasted of it. No one chapped their asses about it.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Troll: Polistra, ben tillman
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Paperback Writer


    Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.
     
    Feel free to call it mirth, but we note merely that your propaganda is pathetic.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Paperback Writer

    Lewie Ranieri! Now that's a blast from the past. In a book full of characters (Michael Lewis's maiden full-length, Liar's Poker -- about Wall Street's Big Swinging Dick culture in the 1980's, which Lewis saw firsthand at Salomon Brothers, first in New York, then in London), Ranieri seemed the most real, the most earthy, yet the most fantastic, the most likely to have been a figment of Lewis's imagination, maybe in tandem with Stephen Glass of The New Republic.

    But he was a real person, and by all accounts (not just that of Michael Lewis), knew mortgage markets like no one else, even though he had never graduated from college. (Back then, a lot of Salomon partners hadn't, either. It wasn't the ultra credential-conscious place Wall Street later became.)

    I can still visualize Lewis's portrait of Ranieri en route to a client visit in Alaska (the state pension fund?). Ranieri's secretary had gone to Brooks Brothers to buy him an overcoat -- it gets cold in Alaska. She bought him a new pair of shoes, too. But somewhere between JFK and Anchorage, this Master of the Universe lost his shoes. No problem: he replaced them with big orange plastic stack boots, and wore those to the client meeting. Michael Lewis wrote: "It was the greatest act on Wall Street." The Alaskans loved it. Everyone loved Lew Ranieri -- except his partner, John Gutfreund.

  175. @Known Fact
    @Altai


    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows.
     
    Your several comments expanded very well on my initial impression -- he needed someone to work with him to shape this testimony, a writer who could play the role of reader, because he's too wrapped up in it all.

    I'm guessing he's an excellent reporter but perhaps not so great a writer. He's so determined to be forthright, honest and detailed that he just keeps digging himself in deeper -- you can almost see how this same thing happened when he was blathering away in those Peru discussion sessions.

    It's sad that he was brought down by an absurd sidebar to his career -- not his actual work but some tragicomic expedition into the heart of darkness. It's also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.

    Replies: @Altai

    It’s also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.

    A problem is that HR departments are full of people who don’t react to these controversies the way normal people do, they overreact and are people who are themselves obsessed with how others see them and being ‘okay’. They and marketing are plugged into social media 24/7 now too and the older women who run them are so terrified of being left behind that they treat every trend on social media with deadly seriousness.

    Most of these things are perfectly weatherable in terms of the general public if they even reach them.

    The chance to beat down working conditions for non-managers was also probably a nice incentive too. But that will only accelerate the NYT’s decent as it’s staff become more and more young women with certain personality types.

    Gaze into the abyss of the Washington Post Tiktok account.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai


    more and more young women with certain personality types
     
    The great thing about young women with certain personality types is that you don't have to pay them much (or sometimes anything) as long as you put them on stage so that they can show off their narcissism. A hard boiled union man like McNeil wanted and needed to have a decent wage so that he could support his family and live in a real house with a garage and two cars and send his kids to college. But a young woman who lives in a studio in Brooklyn and rides the subway (back in the days when people still went to the office) and has only her cat to feed is much less demanding.

    Working at the old, non-political NY Times was just a job - if they wanted to send you to various 3rd world hellholes to witness and write about witch burnings and witch doctors and so on, they were going to have to pay you accordingly or you weren't going to risk life and limb for them. But now that the NY Times is a CALLING, its reporters are the priests of the new religion - is it wrong for the Church to ask its initiates to take Vows of Poverty so that the Church can spread the Good Word?

  176. It’s breathtaking to read an opening indictment of the entire process of journalistic reporting from one who practiced it for 45 years. He doesn’t even seem to be bothered by it — he wants to move on to setting the record straight.

  177. @Verymuchalive
    @Wizard of Oz

    Island gigantism ( eg Galapagos giant tortoises ) or pygmyism ( the last Maltese elephants ) is a well known feature of arguments for evolution. Did the Andaman islanders, much beloved of Maestro Steve, become even smaller when they became isolated there ? Did this happen quickly? Research, please!

    Back to your Tiger Snake again. Like most species, there will be variability in physical characteristics so that they will benefit from improvement in conditions. There may be less predators and more prey so that more snakes live longer and are larger and healthier. The increase in size is not due to genetic change, then. In Western societies, similarly, improvement in nutrition, hygiene, living conditions and healthcare have resulted in a much larger and taller population with a greater life expectancy than in the past.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

    I, m inclined to believe that it is as simple as you suggest and indeed don’t think the differenced between the Carnac Island snakes and the mainland ones are out of line with human analogues.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  178. @AnotherDad
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color. (although, as evinced by Crayola and Behr Paints, white is indeed a color).
     
    Yojimbo, i'm totally on board with your plea for white people to smell the coffee and perk the hell up.

    But let's be clear this isn't some simply black-white race war. All the current year sacralizing of blacks is simply in the service of minoritarianism. Blacks being used as a club to beat deplorable flyover country white gentiles.

    It's key to remember that blacks have almost no actual power. Sure they can be noisy as hell. They can riot. And yeah, they are vote bank the Democrats must throw the odd bone to. But power? Control of our institutions? LOL.

    When there is some racial incident like this or the ugly African girl at Smith, the blacks can whip themselves into a frenzy on twitter and "clap back", but they are not the ones who actually deal out consequences. The people who can actually cancel you--college presidents, CEOs, trustees, boards of directors--or make a big media stentorian stink until those people do cancel you--are overwhelmingly Jews and "good" whites. Blacks have little say.

    The Smith College president could have, said "let's get the facts here, first" and after the investigation told the young woman she was mistaken and gone even further if she was name calling staff on twitter and demanded an apology or dismiss her from the college. The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees--mostly Jews and good whites--to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    Likewise this deal. No blacks forced the NYT management or the Sulzbergers to fire this guy. (Obvious since--his story--it's complete whiny b.s.)


    No this is not a black-white race war. This is a white civil war. Parasitic, minoritarians-Jewish and "good" white elites using blacks as a club to beat deplorables flyover gentiles and delegitimize their right to live as wish and govern themselves in their own nation. Basically make them slaves, while their nation is taken from them through immigration.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @kaganovitch, @HammerJack

    The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees–mostly Jews and good whites–to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    As it happens, of the 29 board members of the Board of Trustees of Smith College, 3 are Jewish(Deborah Keiko Reeves Berger, despite the name, is not . She kept first husbands name.) There are more Blacks than Jews on the board and there are as many Asians. Smith is just Waspy good White virtue signaling run amok; but what else can one expect of a Women’s Lib. Arts College?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Please don't confuse AnotherDad with the facts. It will always be Jewish Minoritarianism to him just as it was always Jewish Bolshevism to the Nazis. Even after every last Jew has been purged from the Inner Party it will still be Jewish as far as he is concerned.

    I already had the discussion with AnotherDad in another thread about how Smith is not a particularly Jewish place, especially by Northeast standards (hell, even the Episcopal Churches there are 10% Jewish, maybe even more nowadays). But this is his blindspot and he is impervious to reason on it. You might as well tell a Wokist that blacks are more violent than whites on average - you're not going to shake his worldview no matter how many facts you point out. Jews have magical powers so that even if the hand at the tiller is named McCartney the invisible hand of the Jews is the one guiding it. You might not be able to see the invisible Jew but AD can as surely as a Wokist can see the invisible white supremacist who is the one who is REALLY to blame when Tyquan tackles elderly Mr. Woo. Wokist don't have the exclusive on magical thinking. Did you really think that AD was going to pin this on the Catholics?

    I have mentioned this before - the Catholics must have great PR because they don't get blamed anymore. Back in the days of the 1920s KKK, the Catholics were just as much of a target as the Jews, if not more. In the 19th century, the Know Nothings used to set fire to Catholic Churches. Now I don't have anything against Catholics personally, but for some reason modern day Unzites seem focused only on the Jews. The big honcho himself, Jobiden, is a devout Catholic - no problem with that. No accusations like in the old days that he is taking orders from the Pope in Rome. No pointing out that Catholic liberation theology is riddled with Marxism and that the Church is riddled with homosexuals (with a few child molestors thrown in). But look over there - I see a Jew! When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @danand, @Paperback Writer

  179. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Oh, I agree he's a cuck, Anon #158, and that could have been point (6). However, I'm referring to his 90 minute in Peru where he screwed himself out of a job (the way he world is working today). He brought up all kinds of experiences from his 40 years since he was a lefty too, as he explained to them. No, it was not straight off of iSteve or Amren, but he tried to show the other side of the issues with a lot of reasoning. The kids turned all that against him.

    I'm not defending this guy as some stand-up for White People hero. I just explained his mistake.

    Read the part about "in Peru".

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

    Read the part about “in Peru”.

    Or just repeat the word “AKshully” over and over and over again for half an hour or more. Because that’s what pretty much his entire attempt at overexplanation-defense boils down to. “Well, AKshully…” Like a much longer version of some essays and many comments here @Unz, by the way.

    So…AKshully McNeil is a mediocre writer who swallowed the Party line decades ago and has coasted on that & connections ever since. He also appears to be another Average Chump who doesn’t “get it” with girls; offering wordy, windy Boomersplaning monologues (it’s always a monologue with these guys) to a 15 year old Daughter of Privilege is a lose-lose-lose proposition.

    He still doesn’t have the number of the bus that rolled over him, either. “Please re-educate me in Modern Woke Thought!” is not necessarily a solution. Because the cult of Woke has no form of redemption – once Cancelled, always Cancelled.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Actually, you're kind of a dick. But let me explain:

    I don't know what your "AKShully" crap is supposed to be about in this case. As commenters wrote above, the guy without an editor is like a defendant being his own lawyer. He went into so much detail on every little thing in order to show that he was not PIC. In the eyes of the NY Times Inquisition, it was just digging a deeper hole.

    As I said, he tried to reason with these people from his 40 years of slowly getting a clue (in the meantime being almost as bad as one of those kids, I imagine). That 90 minutes of "conversation" was a BAD IDEA. Got my point yet?

  180. This guy, despite having a young daughter (public defender in the Bronx no less), seems pretty clueless to the modern “parlor games” preferred by young ingenues.

    High School girls don’t flirt much anymore, but they sure do love to “out-woke” each other. Its like a contest – where anyone who cops to being privileged is the loser. They rank out the richer ones, whiter ones. God forbid you went to a deb ball or cotillion. Its kind of like playing spades where they hold their trumps for the end (sex assault – eating disorder – boy inside girl body).

    So this poor dupe thinks he is imparting some common sense paternal wisdom, but the whole time he is being boar baited by a pack of bitches. Then they get back to civilization and “heaven forfend, the terrible comments they had to endure!”

    He would have been better off sucking the marrow out of the shin bone of an antelope and holding forth on war. “That way and not some other way.”

  181. Amid the story’s Dickensian cast of characters, I was disappointed that Amy Harmon didn’t waltz on in for a cameo appearance.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Known Fact

    Amid the story’s Dickensian cast of characters, I was disappointed that Amy Harmon didn’t waltz on in for a cameo appearance.

    It ain't over yet. There is still hope for an Amy appearance.

  182. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Since y’all are so keen on this comparison. This is a primer on the open questions debated in Chinese intelligentsia around Cultural Revolution—there is a lot that we still don’t understand

    Why did Mao start CR and in so destroy his legacy? Mao is someone throughly knowledgeable of dynastic history and aware of importance of historical legacy and reputation. Had he retired in late 1950s after Korean War and before Great Leap Forward, he would have gone down in historiography as probably one of the three greatest leader/emperor of all time, almost flawless. After Great Leap Forward, he could have still handed things off to Liu Shaoqi and Deng; his reputation would have been greatly damaged but not irreparably so.

    What happened with Lin Biao? In the Civil War 1945-49 Lin was regarded as PLA’s Manstein. Post Civil War he passed on a chance to lead troops in Korea. But came back in CR as Mao’s second in command and his biggest supporter in many of the craziness. And then…something happened, he was already in poor health, and supposedly his son and wife ushered him on a plane to USSR which crashed in Mongolia in 1971. This is one of the triggers that ended CR and its greatest mystery.

    Deng’s survival—why did he and not others survive the purges? and would be destined to lead PRC in Reform and Opening Up.

    It’s said that Only Nixon Can go to China. Similarly, Mao, supposedly the far left ideologue, who was alone in CCP leadership to advocate taking on US in Korea, can open doors to America in 1972. Thereby 1) siding with US against Soviets, 2) begins The Most Important Trade Relationship of The World Today. This marked the end of CR.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    Kissinger thought that Mao’s primary motive was self-aggrandizement & that he wanted to be remembered as the real beginning of something completely New, not just a link in a 4000 years old Chinese history, even the most important modern link. Therefore not just Confucius, but even figures like Yellow Emperor, had to go into oblivion or insignificance. There was room for only one Man-God.

    Just Kissinger’s thoughts ….

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Right, this is the main interpretations in PRC as well. That he became a tyrant like Qin Shihuang, Liu Bang, Cao Cao, and Zhu Yuanzhang, founders of Qin, Han, Cao Wei, and Ming Dynasties respectively. The former was demonized for two thousand years by the Confucian scholars. The latter three all infamous for purging their old comrades when felt threatened.

    Mao was deeply familiar with all these four predecessors and know exactly how they were portrayed by Confucian historians. And he didn’t care. So after Great Leap Forward, Liu and Deng built back the economy somewhat. Mao felt marginalized and criticized so unleashed his megalomania.

    But this doesn’t explain Lin Biao Incident. Lin was in public obsequious to Mao; there are debates about how much he was coerced by Mao since he was in such poor health and not really ideal as handpicked successor (or as potential usurper). Then after Lin’s dead, Mao attacks him as a rightist or pro-capitalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin,_Criticize_Confucius), while simultaneously receives Nixon and Kissinger.

    The other question is unlike Liu Shaoqi and many many others, Deng managed lived through the purges, actually three of them, to take China onto rightist, pro-market path in the eighties. One wonders if this was somehow planned…

  183. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'd like to see this guy on stage with Fred Reed.

    Replies: @anon

    I’d like to see this guy on stage with Fred Reed.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @anon

    It be sort of like watching a cock fight.

  184. @Dan Hayes
    Despite McNeil’s denial, it was a Witch Hunt!

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles, @BB753

    More like a “bitch hunt”. This guy had it coming despite his whining.

  185. @Reg Cæsar

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist...
     
    Fat lot of good that did him! What did he get for his four decades of dues?

    Replies: @Alden

    The Newspaper Guild is absolutely not a labor union. It’s a Guild, of extremely well educated ultra idiot intellectual upper middle class thought leaders and influencers. Platoists or the natural born aristocrats leading the masses onward and upward to whatever. Or so they claim. The Guild is lucky to keep basic health insurance for its ever dwindling membership.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    The Newspaper Guild is absolutely not a labor union. It’s a Guild, of extremely well educated ultra idiot intellectual upper middle class thought leaders and influencers.
     
    In other words, the NEA minus the goons.
  186. @El Dato
    @wren

    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles, @wren, @Reg Cæsar

    Outstanding!

  187. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    The Smith president had that power to go that route. And it would have been up to the college trustees–mostly Jews and good whites–to weather whatever media abuse the NYT and legal abuse from ACLU and stand behind her if they desired.

    As it happens, of the 29 board members of the Board of Trustees of Smith College, 3 are Jewish(Deborah Keiko Reeves Berger, despite the name, is not . She kept first husbands name.) There are more Blacks than Jews on the board and there are as many Asians. Smith is just Waspy good White virtue signaling run amok; but what else can one expect of a Women's Lib. Arts College?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Please don’t confuse AnotherDad with the facts. It will always be Jewish Minoritarianism to him just as it was always Jewish Bolshevism to the Nazis. Even after every last Jew has been purged from the Inner Party it will still be Jewish as far as he is concerned.

    I already had the discussion with AnotherDad in another thread about how Smith is not a particularly Jewish place, especially by Northeast standards (hell, even the Episcopal Churches there are 10% Jewish, maybe even more nowadays). But this is his blindspot and he is impervious to reason on it. You might as well tell a Wokist that blacks are more violent than whites on average – you’re not going to shake his worldview no matter how many facts you point out. Jews have magical powers so that even if the hand at the tiller is named McCartney the invisible hand of the Jews is the one guiding it. You might not be able to see the invisible Jew but AD can as surely as a Wokist can see the invisible white supremacist who is the one who is REALLY to blame when Tyquan tackles elderly Mr. Woo. Wokist don’t have the exclusive on magical thinking. Did you really think that AD was going to pin this on the Catholics?

    I have mentioned this before – the Catholics must have great PR because they don’t get blamed anymore. Back in the days of the 1920s KKK, the Catholics were just as much of a target as the Jews, if not more. In the 19th century, the Know Nothings used to set fire to Catholic Churches. Now I don’t have anything against Catholics personally, but for some reason modern day Unzites seem focused only on the Jews. The big honcho himself, Jobiden, is a devout Catholic – no problem with that. No accusations like in the old days that he is taking orders from the Pope in Rome. No pointing out that Catholic liberation theology is riddled with Marxism and that the Church is riddled with homosexuals (with a few child molestors thrown in). But look over there – I see a Jew! When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    "[T]he Catholics must have great PR because they don't get blamed anymore....When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?"

    November 22, 1963.


    P.S. You're right about AD: the Mali-coddling at Smith involved not a single Jew within miles of the Smith campus (and as my own quick check of the Smith board and kaganovitch's post confirms, maybe 3 of the college's 29 trustees are Jewish), yet somehow it's the fault of -- repeat after me, children -- "JEWISH MINORITARIANISM!!!"

    When your only tool is a crude hammer, everything looks like a (Jewish) nail...

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer

    , @danand
    @Jack D

    "When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?"

    Jack, how dare you. They/them Irish Americans are most certainly NOT White, and now they have their own special month as proof!


    "NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 2021 as Irish-American Heritage Month."
     
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/01/a-proclamation-on-irish-american-heritage-month-2021/
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have mentioned this before – the Catholics must have great PR because they don’t get blamed anymore. Back in the days of the 1920s KKK, the Catholics were just as much of a target as the Jews, if not more. In the 19th century, the Know Nothings used to set fire to Catholic Churches.
     
    I was going to mention institutional Catholic Church support of illegal immigration to "AD" but I gave up, as I saw it would do no good and didn't have the time. But -

    I've seen this in action in various places, how the CC fosters illegal immigration, gives them money and shelter, because their increasingly burdensome convents and monasteries have become old-age homes that now need cheap labor.

    Not to mention the flooding of Texas, which had zilch to do with Jews. That was a totally Chamber of Commerce BushRepublican Catholic Church disaster.

    This is a terrific book on the subject of pre-CW Know Nothing anti-Catholicism:

    https://www.amazon.com/America-Aflame-Civil-Created-Nation/dp/160819390X
  188. McNeil must be delusional to believe he can reason with the woke. He just dug himself a bigger and bigger hole with each sentence he wrote attempting to defend his racist thoughts and words. Is he really this foolish ? He even admits to mocking the Indian shaman and his rituals.

    Does he recall what the press did to the high school boy who was attacked for smirking at an Indian ? And McNeil expects to get away with mocking an Indian shaman during his ceremony and then disparaging the shaman for cultural appropriation of European Christian culture.

    in January 2019 the American press defamed the teen boys as racists who harassed a Native American. the key evidence was a video of a boy smiling as the Indian pounded a drum near his face….Yet this NY Times writer seems to think he is exempt from the woke mob because he fails to wear a MAGA hat while insulting an Indian shaman.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Travis

    Does he recall what the press did to the high school boy who was attacked for smirking at an Indian ?

    McNeil might well have approved of that, because of Who the Covington guys were, and Whom was sticking it to them. "It's different for ME" is pretty standard human reaction. Many Soviets went to their execution praising Stalin. 19th century Zulus would shout praises of Shaka while being dragged off for impalement.

    Yet this NY Times writer seems to think he is exempt from the woke mob because he fails to wear a MAGA hat while insulting an Indian shaman.

    His intentions were pure, and he's a Party member, so...

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Travis

    Good point, besides using a racial slur his mocking of an Indian shaman could be enough to have him Blacklisted working at an American newspaper.

  189. To me, the questions the girls asked sound like a set up. He has his social security and pension. Younger White men don’t have that, just a lifetime of precarious employment and unemployment.

  190. @Altai
    @Known Fact


    It’s also chilling how the NYT is now basically a law firm and HR department that happens to have a newsroom stuck on the rear like a caboose.
     
    A problem is that HR departments are full of people who don't react to these controversies the way normal people do, they overreact and are people who are themselves obsessed with how others see them and being 'okay'. They and marketing are plugged into social media 24/7 now too and the older women who run them are so terrified of being left behind that they treat every trend on social media with deadly seriousness.

    Most of these things are perfectly weatherable in terms of the general public if they even reach them.

    The chance to beat down working conditions for non-managers was also probably a nice incentive too. But that will only accelerate the NYT's decent as it's staff become more and more young women with certain personality types.

    Gaze into the abyss of the Washington Post Tiktok account.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE3UBkqfA5c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_BQcR_6gmc

    Replies: @Jack D

    more and more young women with certain personality types

    The great thing about young women with certain personality types is that you don’t have to pay them much (or sometimes anything) as long as you put them on stage so that they can show off their narcissism. A hard boiled union man like McNeil wanted and needed to have a decent wage so that he could support his family and live in a real house with a garage and two cars and send his kids to college. But a young woman who lives in a studio in Brooklyn and rides the subway (back in the days when people still went to the office) and has only her cat to feed is much less demanding.

    Working at the old, non-political NY Times was just a job – if they wanted to send you to various 3rd world hellholes to witness and write about witch burnings and witch doctors and so on, they were going to have to pay you accordingly or you weren’t going to risk life and limb for them. But now that the NY Times is a CALLING, its reporters are the priests of the new religion – is it wrong for the Church to ask its initiates to take Vows of Poverty so that the Church can spread the Good Word?

    • Agree: Alden
  191. A few quick points:

    1. Anyone who uses “asshole” in a supposedly serious written response strikes me as juvenile and self-absorbed. It’s not the cursing per se – I do it more than I should when I speak informally – it’s just that here it comes across as crass.

    2. “Journalists” as “Defenders of Democracy.” Please.

    3. Finally, he couldn’t see this coming? As several commenters have already pointed out, trying to “keep it real” with politically involved teenage girls? What could possibly go wrong?

    That said, it’s still pretty incredible how far we’ve fallen. “Hey, don’t use the word __________. It’s a bad word.” Then, 2 years later, “He said the word! He said the word! Burn the witch!”

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Patrick in SC

    He said “Jehovah”. Stone him!

  192. @Prester John
    "McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract"

    I'm old enough to remember the Gray Whore back in the days of Scotty Reston, A.M. Rosenthal and Arthur Krock. You know, those halcyon days when the New York Times (as it was known then) prided itself in its support for labor while flashing its New Deal liberal credentials hither and yon.

    My, but how things have changed!

    Replies: @Alden

    The NYSlimes view was “ unions for thee, but not for me”. Must rankle the LOL “ journalists” that they are paid less and have fewer benefits than the C- high school grad GED black and brown city bus drivers.

  193. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole war on whiteness is, in my opinion, an attempt by Millennials to fire the Baby Boomers and grab those plum jobs for themselves. Baby Boomers are wealthy in comparison to Millennials, and Millennials have a massive burden of debt. Millennials will not be able to dig themselves out from under that debt unless they can get the Boomers’ better paying jobs.

    However, the elite employers, though happy to fire Boomers, intend to hire young minorities they’re not going to pay much. For example, a lot of young black women don’t realize they’re not getting paid very well in comparison to those older white males. I don’t think Millennials will get much financial benefit from their scheming, especially since they’re not smart enough about labor relations to unionize and back those unions 1000%.

    Part of modern SJW philosophy is to demonize the working class as ‘class enemies’ who only support Republicans. It is important to the liberal Democratic business-owning elites who run the Democratic party nowadays to sever all of the party’s traditional ties to the labor movement. This is a deliberate policy and not an accident. Foreign and minority labor is cheap, native white labor is more expensive. It was whites who created the unions and who were the engine behind the whole unionizing movement. Blacks and Hispanics weren’t part of it, and they won’t organize to protect their wages. They’re too passive.

    Never overlook the economic motive when you’re dealing with a business. If you want to know who’s behind the war on whites, look closely at who’s doing the firing. Make a list.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anon


    The whole war on whiteness is, in my opinion, an attempt by Millennials to fire the Baby Boomers and grab those plum jobs for themselves.
     
    The war on whiteness has been going on for over 100 years.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  194. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It’s very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    Disagree. The trustees are useless, but unlikely to fire the college president in re a mundane disciplinary matter. The responsible party for turning this into a lallapalooza is McCartney herself.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back.

    I have to scratch my head when I read things like this. What actually did happen is a direct refutation of what you’ve just written, and proof that Jack D is right.

    I have zero doubt that the trustees would have sunk the shiv into McCartney’s throat if she’d stood up to a complaining black person. In 21st century America this is axiomatic, and if you disagree, can you supply an example where a white person in institutional power did stand up to a black person and survived?

  195. @Dr. X
    Oh, the witch-hunting is just beginning.

    It's now the official doctrine of state colleges in New York to throw students out if they believe that "a man is a man, and a woman is a woman":

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/27/suny-geneseo-suspends-education-student-for-saying-a-man-is-a-man-a-woman-is-a-woman/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abolish_public_education, @ScarletNumber

    NY taxpayers are witches hunted by De Blasio’s public schools.

    Due to under-demand for NYC teaching (babysitting) services, state taxpayers overpaid Gotham schools. But taxpayers will not be getting their money back.

    Naturally, school districts in the GOP parts of the state will claim their right to not issue refunds.

    Then American witches from far-&-near will be hunted, as the theft-in-plain-sight spreads.

    [MORE]

    In NYC, enrollment has been officially down by 5%; in some of its schools 20%. (The actual, overall number is probably closer to 100%.)

    The schools get paid (per-student) in advance of the school year, based on estimates of how many kids will enroll. If the estimates turn out to be too high, the schools must give back the money.

    As the NYC school district is the biggest in the country, and its per-student funding is ~$27K (psf only accounts for 2/3 of tax funding), the district was on-the-hook for millions.

    Incidentally, in Washington’s current negotiations for virus-related stimulus, US schools are reportedly in line to receive another $121B.

    Meanwhile, in states like CA, where rural/urban districts were open/closed, rural assemblymen in Sacramento will note how urban schools were receiving more per kid. They will demand equality of pork, e.g. higher spending on local roads.

  196. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Read the part about “in Peru”.

    Or just repeat the word "AKshully" over and over and over again for half an hour or more. Because that's what pretty much his entire attempt at overexplanation-defense boils down to. "Well, AKshully..." Like a much longer version of some essays and many comments here @Unz, by the way.

    So...AKshully McNeil is a mediocre writer who swallowed the Party line decades ago and has coasted on that & connections ever since. He also appears to be another Average Chump who doesn't "get it" with girls; offering wordy, windy Boomersplaning monologues (it's always a monologue with these guys) to a 15 year old Daughter of Privilege is a lose-lose-lose proposition.

    He still doesn't have the number of the bus that rolled over him, either. "Please re-educate me in Modern Woke Thought!" is not necessarily a solution. Because the cult of Woke has no form of redemption - once Cancelled, always Cancelled.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually, you’re kind of a dick. But let me explain:

    I don’t know what your “AKShully” crap is supposed to be about in this case. As commenters wrote above, the guy without an editor is like a defendant being his own lawyer. He went into so much detail on every little thing in order to show that he was not PIC. In the eyes of the NY Times Inquisition, it was just digging a deeper hole.

    As I said, he tried to reason with these people from his 40 years of slowly getting a clue (in the meantime being almost as bad as one of those kids, I imagine). That 90 minutes of “conversation” was a BAD IDEA. Got my point yet?

  197. Although I despise the NYT, I like to try taking the side of enemies, even the enemies of the state, as an exercise for fun, so…

    I’m suspecting that a lot of people overlook McNeil’s bragging that, during his Peru excursion, he even stopped drinking for a week.

    If you’re a functional alcoholic, as a disquieting number of upper tier boomer journalists are, perhaps that would have had an effect on his overall demeanor, that might have made his assertion style a bit more obnoxious than he is willing to admit, or even conceive of?

    Couple that with the well documented, well known malice of the American Irishman, and… you have a handful. When they feel they’ve been crossed, they can become remarkably petty, mean narcissists to beat the band.

    That may explain why the students, as well as some of his co-workers and bosses, took deep offense to his observations, as well as why his final screed is so riddled with any detail that can make him look good, while the reader traverses the devilish details that make toiling through it a soul-deadening experience–written by a long-time journalist who should know better.

    Narcissists suck at self-editing. That’s why journalists generally aren’t allowed to do it. A drunk, or worse, temporarily non-drunk American Irish journalist must be the worst.

    Note I delineate American Irish from native Irishmen, who for whatever reason don’t generally generate the malice of which American Irish are well capable.

  198. anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    OT: Tonight Tucker repeatedly asked his guest (Dan Tafur - ex State Dept) why we were in the Middle East? All conceivable (and inconceivable) answers were given except the real one (guess!). Of course Tucker well knew the truth that none dare speak, but he still has a family to support.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @North Carolina Resident, @AndrewR, @anonymous

    Tucker kept on asking questions demanding justification for the purpose of being in the Middle East but at the same time kept on wildly talking about China seeking to take over the world. “There’s only one country that can make my family obey and that’s China.” WTF?

  199. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    /sarcasm on/ You’re not getting it. McCartney is a passive agent of the anti-Christian Jewish cabal. She has no more ability to have agency than a lichen on a rock. /sarcasm off/

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called “liberals”) and New Leftists (the so called “Woke”) and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions.

    The “Old Leftists” in this case were “New Leftists” back in the 60s-70s. Karma’s a bitch.

    The trustees would NOT have had her back.

    Oh yes they would – with a bullseye between the shoulder blades!

    The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end – zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). the backlash against wokism has already begun

    I don’t think so but who knows? I’m usually of the opinion that “this time it’s different is usually wrong” – but it is always wrong? Wokism failed spectacularly in its last iteration (the 60s) but it could succeed now. We had way more civilizational bandwidth then, and arguably, the grievances then (Vietnam, Jim Crow) were legitimate. Now, we have zero bandwidth, and the grievances are total shit.

  200. @Known Fact
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "You've lost the newsroom" jumped out at me because it's already become such an overused sports cliche -- the ineffective head coach or manager has "lost the room," meaning no one's listening anymore to a single thing he says and he's as good as gone.

    It's depressing that a knowledgeable adult can't risk having a reasonable discussion with young people, but I was even more disturbed reading about the supposedly grown-up children in the NYT newsroom -- Ewwwww, we can't work with the icky old racist! And those interrogation scenes were right out of Kafka. We're not sure what you did, but you must have done something!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s depressing that a knowledgeable adult can’t risk having a reasonable discussion with young people,…

    Indeed, Known Fact. I run into young snowflakes, usually girls, say 20 to 25, who I really don’t think understand how to have a conversation at all about any opinions that they don’t already hold as true. Their eyes get weird looking, and I usually mutter something like “idiots” and walk away…

  201. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    McNeil must be delusional to believe he can reason with the woke. He just dug himself a bigger and bigger hole with each sentence he wrote attempting to defend his racist thoughts and words. Is he really this foolish ? He even admits to mocking the Indian shaman and his rituals.

    Does he recall what the press did to the high school boy who was attacked for smirking at an Indian ? And McNeil expects to get away with mocking an Indian shaman during his ceremony and then disparaging the shaman for cultural appropriation of European Christian culture.

    in January 2019 the American press defamed the teen boys as racists who harassed a Native American. the key evidence was a video of a boy smiling as the Indian pounded a drum near his face....Yet this NY Times writer seems to think he is exempt from the woke mob because he fails to wear a MAGA hat while insulting an Indian shaman.

    Replies: @anon, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Does he recall what the press did to the high school boy who was attacked for smirking at an Indian ?

    McNeil might well have approved of that, because of Who the Covington guys were, and Whom was sticking it to them. “It’s different for ME” is pretty standard human reaction. Many Soviets went to their execution praising Stalin. 19th century Zulus would shout praises of Shaka while being dragged off for impalement.

    Yet this NY Times writer seems to think he is exempt from the woke mob because he fails to wear a MAGA hat while insulting an Indian shaman.

    His intentions were pure, and he’s a Party member, so…

  202. @Achmed E. Newman
    I just read through almost all of that crap, skimming a little bit when Mr. McNeil got repetitive when going on and on about the hearings. Here's what I get out of it.

    1) Yes, the union/management negotiations could have made him a future target. I guess the guild people were too scare of wokeness to back him.

    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors. He had a good time and got good reviews the year before ('18) because it was an adventure trip, but not this one to support indigenous medical care* and other bullshit tour. Go figure. He said he had a 90 minute political discussion with the kids, which caused his grief later. That was a really BAD IDEA! Does he know who young women from expensive private non-Christian high schools are versus the same from 1965, hell 2005?

    3) That inquisition by the lawyer Charlotte and others sound straight out of 1984, the part just before they let the rat out of his cage to gnaw on your face.

    4) His having to worry about every word you say is and having to go through and explain every little joke and argument to a lawyer later just makes me glad I'm not in that world.

    5) I laughed at that part in Peru about no disrespect meant to the Shaman, just getting up because my butt was sore. He should have heard us in Boy Scouts during the Order of the Arrow ceremony. A number of us were making fun of all that "oh Spirit of Winter, be gentle in your anger ..." shit during the ceremony and for days afterwards at the camporee. Oops, don't tell my employer.

    .

    * It was very ironic how Mr. McNeil had a big disagreement about whether he would get Medivac insurance paid for (for a Lear Jet trip back to the US in case of a serious illness or injury) when the trip was about those indigenous people who are wiser and better than us with their own indigenously special health care. Mr. McNeil was simply not up for that, had he been the victim of an attempted cannibalization or some such thing.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    I guess the guild people were too scare of wokeness to back him.

    So much for “solidarity forever”. “Eat me last”, the guild people cried out to the wolves. But I wouldn’t count on that happening. “First they came for the old white men like McNeil, but I wasn’t an old white man so… hey wait a second I AM an old white man….”

    His having to worry about every word you say is and having to go through and explain every little joke and argument to a lawyer later just makes me glad I’m not in that world.

    I always tell my clients that before they write anything down or say anything, they should imagine that they are sitting at a deposition and opposing counsel is reading their words back to them in a sarcastic tone and asking them to explain what they meant. What seemed like a joke when you wrote it to your old friend Billy Bob suddenly doesn’t seem so funny when Charlotte reads it back and asks you to dissect it word by word.

  203. Notice.

    The REAL issue is unions. The REAL issue is money. The REAL issue is solidarity amongst workers.

    Wokeness or unwokeness, racism or anti-racism, all meaningless persiflage.

  204. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    PS/

    I’m not bothering to respond to Dumb Daddy personally, but the idea that blacks have no real power, only that which they derive from Jews, is such a load of shit it boggles my mind that even delusional anti-Semites believe it. It’s sad, really. It’s the alt-right version of “get off the Democrat-run plantation” bullshit. Blacks run the damn plantation.

    The alt-right is made up of weirdos who think that blacks are subhumans who can’t figure out power and learn how to gain it, and use it. Maybe because gaining power means building coalitions with people you hate, something they don’t understand.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Paperback Writer

    I'm not sure you really understand what the alt-right is. I'm not 100% sure myself. But the "Democrat-run plantation" stuff is what the alt-right would call a cuck argument. I.e. the Democrats are the REAL racists! An ineffectual and idiotic argument which they've been ridiculing since they first became a thing. And I suppose some on the alt-right think of blacks as "sub-human", but then so do a lot of neocon jews.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    Blacks run the damn plantation.
     
    The mind reels.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  205. @anon
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I’d like to see this guy on stage with Fred Reed.

    Why?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    It be sort of like watching a cock fight.

  206. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, you’re kind of a dick. But let me explain:

    Sure, Boomersplaining worked so well for McNeil…

    I don’t know what your “AKShully” crap is supposed to be about in this case.

    Ok.
    lol.
    Try thinking instead of reacting. It’s fun and useful!

    As commenters wrote above, the guy without an editor is like a defendant being his own lawyer.

    Yeah, so? We got that.

    He went into so much detail on every little thing in order to show that he was not PIC. In the eyes of the NY Times Inquisition, it was just digging a deeper hole.

    Yeah, so?

    Dude in his own eyes he was just explaining. Like you are doing now. Just explaining! “Why won’t these kids listen to their elders when I tell them “Don’t trust anyone over 30′ doesn’t literally mean that, but AKshully it means…blah…blah…blah…”

    But to 15 year old Princesses, he was not “just explaining” at all. Got that, yet?

    As I said, he tried to reason with these people from his 40 years of slowly getting a clue (in the meantime being almost as bad as one of those kids, I imagine). That 90 minutes of “conversation” was a BAD IDEA. Got my point yet?

    Lol. AKshully, your point was obvious. But what’s that whooshing sound over your head?

    I run into young snowflakes, usually girls, say 20 to 25, who I really don’t think understand how to have a conversation at all about any opinions that they don’t already hold as true.

    Oh, so they’re a lot like Boomers? Wow, how stressful that must be for you! Only for you!

    I usually mutter something like “idiots” and walk away…

    That’s showing them!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    "whoosh" is right. Whatever medication you're on, I recommend taking exactly the opposite.

    - Dr. Newman, MD

    Replies: @anon

  207. @Bill Jones
    @Ma Laoshi


    it worked,
     
    What evidence do you have for that statement?

    The Chinese Govt did not create the illusion of a pandemic by using RT-PCR testing.

    That's "What worked".

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @DCThrowback

    >>it worked
    “What evidence do you have for that statement?”
    Well how about asking a Chinese–no shortage of those last time I checked. Or consult just about anybody save for renowned virologist Steve Bannon. Or check the mortality graphs. Or…

    Chinese summarize the American position as “China’s measures were barbaric and ineffective; plus they didn’t inform us, so we didn’t have time to emulate them. China covered up millions of deaths–even though the virus is not dangerous. We’re always right, especially when we contradict ourselves.”

    Then again, one of the last remaining freedoms of Americans is the freedom to choose their own reality. I’ve seen that this is something very dear to them (related to their “Faith” no doubt), so I’d rather not infringe on it.

  208. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:

    Btw, hair-obsessed Sailer once pointed out that a lot of older Irish men have nice heads of hair.

    Irish or Scottish?

    https://www.houseofnames.com/mcneil-family-crest

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous

    Damn. He does have nice hair.

  209. @RichardTaylor
    @Ron Unz

    I'm sure a few heretics were burned at the stake over personal disputes. But that just goes to show how strong the One Holy Truth is in a given age. In our age, it's Anti-Whitism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKk_e_-b7z8

    Is this the final solution?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    If you believe in the current orthodoxy, the destruction or enslavement of Whites is the only logical conclusion.

    Current orthodoxy:

    1) Racism is evil and the cause of all group inequality.

    2) Racism is caused by whites either consciously (open racism) or unconsciously (systemic racism)

    3) So long as Whites as a group do better (but not worse) than any other group, that is proof of White racism and measures must be intensified to combat White racism.

    Now, since in reality there are, of course, genetic group differences, those outcomes will continue no matter how harsh the punishment if you allow White even a modicum of freedom. This means that to stop White racism you must either eliminate Whites – who, in their minds, are unwilling or incapable of giving up their racism – or you enslave them to prevent Whites from being racist.

    Ever more vicious punishments of Whites will come because group difference will persist. The only way that can’t happen is for the Woke to abandon their religion, which won’t happen.

    We know exactly what the other side is going to do. The only question is what Whites will do as the punishments get more extreme.

    The other big question is whether Jews can convince their POC allies that Jews are also just another victim group and not White. If Jews can’t convince the POC mercenaries that Jews aren’t White, well, the attack of Whites will slow or even stop because Jews would be considered White.

    Personally, I think that Whites should fight back rather than hoping that Jews someday discover that it’s “Good for the Jews” to stop the anti-White agenda. (Btw, that’s been Steve’s strategy for years, i.e. trying to convince Jews that the anti-White agenda isn’t in their best interests. You’ll notice that it hasn’t been that successful.)

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  210. @Known Fact
    Amid the story's Dickensian cast of characters, I was disappointed that Amy Harmon didn't waltz on in for a cameo appearance.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Amid the story’s Dickensian cast of characters, I was disappointed that Amy Harmon didn’t waltz on in for a cameo appearance.

    It ain’t over yet. There is still hope for an Amy appearance.

  211. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Keep telling yourself that. Slowly but surely the mob is turning. Think Harvey Weinstein. And he was not a gentile. It can happen to anyone. To be consistent in the politics, several Jews in authority will have to be sacrificed to the Woke mob if they suddenly turn on them for various sins of White Privilege.

    It can happen to anyone deemed as white and not a person of color.

    Should it hit critical mass, and more Jews in authority do become sacrificed than was expected, then yes, suddenly we will see some kind of lame excuses offered a la "Maybe not all whites are bad; perhaps we shouldn't be so hasty to run them all out of town on a rail, etc etc." Self survival and all that. But don't be surprised if many, many Jews do get sacrificed to the mob, should it decide to turn on them.

    After all, blacks don't see Jews as fellow blacks. So what color are they? They're just a bunch of whiteys.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Recently, Bret Weinstein tried to deny his whiteness, but was enlightened by a great black thinker who told him that Jews are spicy whites. So, while blacks think of Jews as whites, that is someone to hate, they also view them as being different from the mass of bland whites.

  212. Almost 200 comments and no one has advised McNeil on what he should do next?

    I’ll fix it.

  213. @Altai
    This guy's tone and everything else won't help his case at all with the people who are after him and, of course, barely anyone was going to try to defend him anyway.

    Decades of having an editor and now having none shows. The only thing you write is the context of the original sentence in which you used the word. Nothing else. That's all anyone needs or cares to see. Maybe also state that NYT staff also often don't use 'n-word' but nothing else.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @Hypnotoad666

    I started reading and gave up. It’s long, boring, disorganized, stilted, and packed with irrelevant minutiae. The guy is no storyteller, that’s for sure.

  214. @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    If John Brennan were in SAG, he'd probably get a lot of work. He 'd be typecast as the corrupt, thuggish police commissioner, CEO, military general, or CIA head.

    Replies: @Clyde

    If John Brennan were in SAG, he’d probably get a lot of work. He ‘d be typecast as the corrupt, thuggish police commissioner, CEO, military general, or CIA head.

    Now Brennan is just a thug who allegedly took a pledge to Islam. Give him two years to come out as a trans-thug. Just going with the flow. Brennan was a prime architect of the Russia hoax. Susan Rice is a Mocha Mafia thug but being female she tones down her act to be very slippery. She is the power behind the throne along with Mocha Mafia Obama. Valerie Jarret and Kamala round out this DC based Mafia.

    Kamala just arrived in DC so she is a junior member of this Mafia and will follow directions from Rice and Obama once they get rid of that annoying stale pale male Biden. Jill Biden will try to keep her husband propped up Weekend at Bernie’s style for as long as possible, counter acting the Mocha Mafia.

    • Thanks: wren
    • Replies: @sayless
    @Clyde

    Jill Biden looks miserable in every photograph I've seen of her, including after the inauguration.

  215. @Bill Jones
    @Ma Laoshi


    it worked,
     
    What evidence do you have for that statement?

    The Chinese Govt did not create the illusion of a pandemic by using RT-PCR testing.

    That's "What worked".

    Replies: @Ma Laoshi, @DCThrowback

    They also proved that asymptomatic spread was fictitious, yet none are so blind as those who do not wish to see.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

    “Of the 300 (out of 10,000,000 sampled) asymptomatic positive cases, two cases came from one family and another two were from another family. There were no previously confirmed COVID-19 patients in these two families. A total of 1174 close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases were traced, and they all tested negative for the COVID-19.”

  216. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I read McNeil’s posts. I can see why people want to make this all about “another white man silenced by Wokeness.” I think that’s a superficial reading of the situation.

    Whenever you write “I don’t think I’m an @sshole,” early in an article, that leads me to believe that a lot of people do think you are an @sshole. If you get on the wrong side of many of your bosses and coworkers, you are asking for trouble. And that appears to me to be what happened to McNeil. In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    It’s a sh!tty reality of the working world that office politics exists and more often than not, popularity trumps competence. But, that’s the way the world works, unfortunately.

    Replies: @jon, @Tono Bungay, @Jack D, @Up2Drew

    McNeil was (not so) secretly PROUD of being an asshole. Being a cynical, hard boiled asshole was once part of the job description for being a newspaper reporter, where you had to call up other cynical, hard boiled asshole cops or politicians or bureaucrats or generalissimos and somehow cajole some semblance of the truth out of them. And if the “Shaman” is doing cheap sleight of hand magic tricks that wouldn’t pass muster at an 8 year old’s birthday party or is mixing up his “native religion” with Catholicism and stuff that he saw on TV, you’re not going to pretend not to notice just because he’s a sacred Person of Color.

    You weren’t going to be a cynical, hard boiled asshole with all of your story subjects and then be all sweetness and light with your colleagues and bosses – that’s not how it works. If you offended your co-worker fweelings – tough shit. What sort of pussy admits that “you made them feel unsafe” because of words? Unsafe is when you can hear the bullets whistling past. And if this got you in trouble with your bosses, let them take it up with the shop steward. Being an asshole is not a violation of the collective bargaining agreement.

    • Agree: Lockean Proviso
    • Replies: @black sea
    @Jack D

    Being relatively anti-social is integral to writing well. Crowd pleasers tend not to be very interesting.

    , @Flying Dutchman
    @Jack D

    Evidently he wasn't enough of a cynical, hard boiled asshole (or even simply enough of a journalist) to get the news that when a lynch mob is out to get you there's only two options, to flee or to counterattack hard, but that any attempt at appeasement can never work and only encourages the mob.

    Yet neither at the time of the initial confrontation nor to this day is he fighting or fleeing, but still pathetically trying to appease them in the most naive soft-boiled way.

    That too is a lot like the Stalin show trial defendants - courageous, hard fighters against external enemies and in their normal internal rivalries, the most meek, timid, submissive wet mice when their system turned on them and accused them of treason.

    Replies: @Jack D

  217. @wren
    OT: I really don't like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    https://www.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1366498703452872704

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin, @Rich, @Daniel H, @Dan Hayes

    We’re pretty embarrassed to have people consider him to be a White male. There must be a Negro somewhere in the woodpile. Maybe Grampa Brensky changed the family name when he escaped his shtetl?

  218. @Paperback Writer
    @Bardon Kaldian


    In other words, for the sake of the greatest good (destroying white Christian civilization), smaller parts of Jewish population must, unfortunately, be sacrificed. To get Texas, you have to have the Alamo.

     

    Can I quote you?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  219. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I read McNeil’s posts. I can see why people want to make this all about “another white man silenced by Wokeness.” I think that’s a superficial reading of the situation.

    Whenever you write “I don’t think I’m an @sshole,” early in an article, that leads me to believe that a lot of people do think you are an @sshole. If you get on the wrong side of many of your bosses and coworkers, you are asking for trouble. And that appears to me to be what happened to McNeil. In 2020 Racism is a convenient reason, but in other eras the NYT would have found another reason to get rid of him.

    It’s a sh!tty reality of the working world that office politics exists and more often than not, popularity trumps competence. But, that’s the way the world works, unfortunately.

    Replies: @jon, @Tono Bungay, @Jack D, @Up2Drew

    I’ve said this before on another thread. A bit of wisdom I passed on to my sons:

    If somebody thinks you’re an @sshole, that’s okay. Somebody is gonna think that. If nobody thinks you’re an @sshole, you’re not trying very hard.

    But if everybody seems to think you’re an @sshole … pay attention, you probably are.

  220. @Jack D
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    McNeil was (not so) secretly PROUD of being an asshole. Being a cynical, hard boiled asshole was once part of the job description for being a newspaper reporter, where you had to call up other cynical, hard boiled asshole cops or politicians or bureaucrats or generalissimos and somehow cajole some semblance of the truth out of them. And if the "Shaman" is doing cheap sleight of hand magic tricks that wouldn't pass muster at an 8 year old's birthday party or is mixing up his "native religion" with Catholicism and stuff that he saw on TV, you're not going to pretend not to notice just because he's a sacred Person of Color.

    You weren't going to be a cynical, hard boiled asshole with all of your story subjects and then be all sweetness and light with your colleagues and bosses - that's not how it works. If you offended your co-worker fweelings - tough shit. What sort of pussy admits that "you made them feel unsafe" because of words? Unsafe is when you can hear the bullets whistling past. And if this got you in trouble with your bosses, let them take it up with the shop steward. Being an asshole is not a violation of the collective bargaining agreement.

    Replies: @black sea, @Flying Dutchman

    Being relatively anti-social is integral to writing well. Crowd pleasers tend not to be very interesting.

  221. @Bardon Kaldian
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Kissinger thought that Mao's primary motive was self-aggrandizement & that he wanted to be remembered as the real beginning of something completely New, not just a link in a 4000 years old Chinese history, even the most important modern link. Therefore not just Confucius, but even figures like Yellow Emperor, had to go into oblivion or insignificance. There was room for only one Man-God.

    Just Kissinger's thoughts ....

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Right, this is the main interpretations in PRC as well. That he became a tyrant like Qin Shihuang, Liu Bang, Cao Cao, and Zhu Yuanzhang, founders of Qin, Han, Cao Wei, and Ming Dynasties respectively. The former was demonized for two thousand years by the Confucian scholars. The latter three all infamous for purging their old comrades when felt threatened.

    Mao was deeply familiar with all these four predecessors and know exactly how they were portrayed by Confucian historians. And he didn’t care. So after Great Leap Forward, Liu and Deng built back the economy somewhat. Mao felt marginalized and criticized so unleashed his megalomania.

    But this doesn’t explain Lin Biao Incident. Lin was in public obsequious to Mao; there are debates about how much he was coerced by Mao since he was in such poor health and not really ideal as handpicked successor (or as potential usurper). Then after Lin’s dead, Mao attacks him as a rightist or pro-capitalist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin,_Criticize_Confucius), while simultaneously receives Nixon and Kissinger.

    The other question is unlike Liu Shaoqi and many many others, Deng managed lived through the purges, actually three of them, to take China onto rightist, pro-market path in the eighties. One wonders if this was somehow planned…

  222. @HammerJack
    @syonredux

    No such question appeared on the SAT in 1970 or any other year. Unless there were photos and I missed it. Besides, houses aren't ever made of clapboard, they're covered with clapboards. Besides, the answers to SAT questions weren't divulged in the 1970s.

    Replies: @Alden

    Might have been an analogy question. Clapboard shingles and Stucco are all used as siding?

  223. @Patrick in SC
    A few quick points:

    1. Anyone who uses "asshole" in a supposedly serious written response strikes me as juvenile and self-absorbed. It's not the cursing per se - I do it more than I should when I speak informally - it's just that here it comes across as crass.

    2. "Journalists" as "Defenders of Democracy." Please.

    3. Finally, he couldn't see this coming? As several commenters have already pointed out, trying to "keep it real" with politically involved teenage girls? What could possibly go wrong?

    That said, it's still pretty incredible how far we've fallen. "Hey, don't use the word __________. It's a bad word." Then, 2 years later, "He said the word! He said the word! Burn the witch!"

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    He said “Jehovah”. Stone him!

  224. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Since y’all are so keen on this comparison. This is a primer on the open questions debated in Chinese intelligentsia around Cultural Revolution—there is a lot that we still don’t understand

    Why did Mao start CR and in so destroy his legacy? Mao is someone throughly knowledgeable of dynastic history and aware of importance of historical legacy and reputation. Had he retired in late 1950s after Korean War and before Great Leap Forward, he would have gone down in historiography as probably one of the three greatest leader/emperor of all time, almost flawless. After Great Leap Forward, he could have still handed things off to Liu Shaoqi and Deng; his reputation would have been greatly damaged but not irreparably so.

    What happened with Lin Biao? In the Civil War 1945-49 Lin was regarded as PLA’s Manstein. Post Civil War he passed on a chance to lead troops in Korea. But came back in CR as Mao’s second in command and his biggest supporter in many of the craziness. And then…something happened, he was already in poor health, and supposedly his son and wife ushered him on a plane to USSR which crashed in Mongolia in 1971. This is one of the triggers that ended CR and its greatest mystery.

    Deng’s survival—why did he and not others survive the purges? and would be destined to lead PRC in Reform and Opening Up.

    It’s said that Only Nixon Can go to China. Similarly, Mao, supposedly the far left ideologue, who was alone in CCP leadership to advocate taking on US in Korea, can open doors to America in 1972. Thereby 1) siding with US against Soviets, 2) begins The Most Important Trade Relationship of The World Today. This marked the end of CR.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    The purpose of the Cultural Revolution was to solve the “pigs sleeping in the farmer’s bed” problem with Communist revolutions that Orwell had pointed out. Mao, in his mind, had not fought and won a Revolution, at tremendous cost (not that he cared about human lives) just in order for a different set of bureaucrats to replace their predecessors. He thus came up with the doctrine of “Continuous Revolution”. The Revolution was not a one and done thing. Like democracy in our system, you had to remain eternally on guard for the Revolution to prevail. One way to accomplish this was to periodically shake things up.

    Of course, Mao exempted himself from the Continuous Revolution. It was necessary to keep scrambling the eggs in order to make a more perfect omelet, but the Revolution needed someone to wield the omelet scrambling spatula and that someone was Mao. An added benefit of this was that if everyone else was too busy getting scrambled or dodging the spatula, then they were too busy and off balance to challenge Mao for title of Chief Spatula Wielder or to try to take a spatula to Mao himself. You’ll note that not long after Mao died, Madame Mao and her gang did not have the mad skillz to pull this off and sure enough they soon fell prey to the spatula themselves.

  225. @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It helps to have a local command position when you want to be politically incorrect.

    Not recently at the NYT:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGFO9MU5QT4

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Lol. What a great movie!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ben tillman

    Agreed, Ben. I can't believe I've never see it. Just ordered it after seeing that clip. Thank you, El Dato.

  226. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Please don't confuse AnotherDad with the facts. It will always be Jewish Minoritarianism to him just as it was always Jewish Bolshevism to the Nazis. Even after every last Jew has been purged from the Inner Party it will still be Jewish as far as he is concerned.

    I already had the discussion with AnotherDad in another thread about how Smith is not a particularly Jewish place, especially by Northeast standards (hell, even the Episcopal Churches there are 10% Jewish, maybe even more nowadays). But this is his blindspot and he is impervious to reason on it. You might as well tell a Wokist that blacks are more violent than whites on average - you're not going to shake his worldview no matter how many facts you point out. Jews have magical powers so that even if the hand at the tiller is named McCartney the invisible hand of the Jews is the one guiding it. You might not be able to see the invisible Jew but AD can as surely as a Wokist can see the invisible white supremacist who is the one who is REALLY to blame when Tyquan tackles elderly Mr. Woo. Wokist don't have the exclusive on magical thinking. Did you really think that AD was going to pin this on the Catholics?

    I have mentioned this before - the Catholics must have great PR because they don't get blamed anymore. Back in the days of the 1920s KKK, the Catholics were just as much of a target as the Jews, if not more. In the 19th century, the Know Nothings used to set fire to Catholic Churches. Now I don't have anything against Catholics personally, but for some reason modern day Unzites seem focused only on the Jews. The big honcho himself, Jobiden, is a devout Catholic - no problem with that. No accusations like in the old days that he is taking orders from the Pope in Rome. No pointing out that Catholic liberation theology is riddled with Marxism and that the Church is riddled with homosexuals (with a few child molestors thrown in). But look over there - I see a Jew! When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @danand, @Paperback Writer

    “[T]he Catholics must have great PR because they don’t get blamed anymore….When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?”

    November 22, 1963.

    P.S. You’re right about AD: the Mali-coddling at Smith involved not a single Jew within miles of the Smith campus (and as my own quick check of the Smith board and kaganovitch’s post confirms, maybe 3 of the college’s 29 trustees are Jewish), yet somehow it’s the fault of — repeat after me, children — “JEWISH MINORITARIANISM!!!”

    When your only tool is a crude hammer, everything looks like a (Jewish) nail…

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Gary in Gramercy

    the Mali-coddling at Smith

    "Mali-coddling" is an excellent formulation! Thanks.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Gary in Gramercy


    the Mali-coddling at Smith

     

    Good golly Miss Mali!
  227. @Gary in Gramercy
    @John Pepple

    Please: I gave $54 to a 2,100-student school with a $2.7 billion endowment, simply as a gesture of friendship to someone (one of our ubiquitous Class Agents) who has stood by me, through thick and thin. My $$ wouldn't buy an Economics 101 textbook. Perspective, perspective!

    Replies: @The Real World

    Gary – I enjoyed your story and am not looking to beat on you.

    But, I was also very disappointed in the last part. Your friend and the school are two different things, it doesn’t make sense to combine them, especially when the school has gone off its rocker in a bad way.

    Next time he calls, you should offer to contribute to whatever charitable cause he supports other than the school. We cannot enable insanity otherwise we deserve what we get. Cheers….

  228. @Clyde
    @AnotherDad

    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America. Your minoritarian buzz word gets parroted by no one here, which means something. Shoving this societal mess onto the Jews is at best one tenth the truth in America, much less so in Europe, Canada, Australia. Time for a new buzzword? You have lots of good things to say, but now I do a quickie skim for your posts.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America.

    Agree 100%. No argument.

    As for my minoritarian buzz word … i am putting a name to a particular ideology. It is not “leftism” as leftism was understood in say 1940. It’s certainly not the Marxism that Marx wrote. I’m not a scholar on stuff like the Frankfurt School to sort through that nonsense.

    But this actual new ideology–it is new, as it’s very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long–is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    And that ideology has come to dominance in the United States and–to a lesser extent–has spread its tentacles through the broader West.

    Steve keeps pitching the latest piece of craziness over the fence, and some commenters want to slice and dice specifics–peachy. But 90% of this is the same root–this minoritarian ideology. Call it whatever you will.

    If people can not understand it, name it, attack it, defeat it …. minoritarianism wins and the future is indeed quite bleak for the West.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    Replies: @Neuday, @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Clyde
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for the reasonable reply.

    , @rebel yell
    @AnotherDad


    But this actual new ideology–it is new, as it’s very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long–is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)
     
    This new ideology is the full realization of Christian belief.
    Roman belief: Honors to the strong
    Christian belief: Blessed are the meek
    Meek = helpless = innocent = good. Strong = responsible = guilty = evil.
    The Goodwhites are the result of Christians taking their religion seriously. This is where Abolitionists and Quaker pacifists came from.
    This "turn the other cheek," "blessed (lucky!) are those who suffer" belief is obviously at odds with all daily reality, so the true believers reconcile themselves to being hypocrites and turning off their brains.
    Conservative Christians never took the compassion stuff all that seriously, but for liberal Christians compassion is the air they breathe.
    Democracy has allowed Christian sympathy to take over the public realm and destroy it. It does not matter that modern leftists like Antifa aren't Christians and are full of hate. If anything the bitterness and hatreds of the Woke Left are just the next phase you can expect as Christian love runs its course and crashes back into reality.

    Replies: @Clyde

  229. @anon
    @El Dato

    It's like listening to some kind of meeting at the Motor Vehicle department. By the way, the word is "ask", not "ax". Ask.

    In German Concentration Camps, they at least kept the struggle sessions short.

    Then the Krauts were pikers compared to the Red Guards when it came to struggle sessions.

    http://www.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng-featured.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed, #155. I had thought the term “struggle session” was in fact a translation from Red Guard terminology – though the Chinese did hire some pretty poor translators: “Capitalist Roader”? WTF?

    I replied because you brought up that “axe” vs. “ask thing. You are expecting WAY too much from this crowd. That “axe” deal is almost a given with black people now, to show they are black to others. I kid you not, I heard it from an airline pilot on the P/A – he was not the Captain, though. See “Don’t axe me no questions”. (Sorry no Lynyrd Skynyrd in that post, but “here ya’ go”.)

  230. @AnotherDad
    @Clyde



    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America.
     
    Agree 100%. No argument.

    As for my minoritarian buzz word ... i am putting a name to a particular ideology. It is not "leftism" as leftism was understood in say 1940. It's certainly not the Marxism that Marx wrote. I'm not a scholar on stuff like the Frankfurt School to sort through that nonsense.

    But this actual new ideology--it is new, as it's very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long--is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    And that ideology has come to dominance in the United States and--to a lesser extent--has spread its tentacles through the broader West.

    Steve keeps pitching the latest piece of craziness over the fence, and some commenters want to slice and dice specifics--peachy. But 90% of this is the same root--this minoritarian ideology. Call it whatever you will.

    If people can not understand it, name it, attack it, defeat it .... minoritarianism wins and the future is indeed quite bleak for the West.

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    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don’t call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility – we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us – “who are you going to believe – me or your lying eyes?”

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don’t go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that’s not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that’s the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but “Old Stock” Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way – not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don’t mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can’t help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Jack D

    Jack, are we to pretend the Frankfurt School didn't exist? Emmanuel Cellar? Gramsci? Marcuse? The Federal Reserve, Rothschilds and Goldman-Sachs? Second wave Feminists? The Authoritarian Personality? Are we to pretend that what the Jews have done here didn't have trial runs in Germany and Russia?

    You say we should tone down the Jew stuff so we don't turn off those who might be sympathetic to our views, but my people aren't as prone to sophistry as other groups and prefer the plain truth, and the truth is that a group of people came to our country, used our high-trust mores against us, and proceeded to loot and destroy a great country, our country. That's the truth, and as America crashes and burns it's important for everyone to know why, how, and who, and more and more people are catching on. Can you imagine your plight if your people didn't have control of all our institutions? I do understand your concern; if I were a successful Jew I'd be concerned too. It's become all too obvious.

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    , @HammerJack
    @Jack D



    You are doing the same thing that Hitler did
     
    LOL! You dare to mention the J word! We will crush you!
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism ...

    You don’t call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism.
     

    No credit for not calling it Judeo-Minoritarianism?

    Jack, i realize you're a Jewish patriot--good for you--and are going to be hyper-sensitize whenever i tag this nonsense "Jewish", or attribute its origin to Jews.

    But in point of fact, i have overwhelmingly just called it "minoritarianism" and described it exactly the way i did in the previous comment: "minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil." (One could parse my comments, though who'd want to.)

    My comments back and forth with you are usually about origins/responsibility, so "Jewish" looms much larger. Yes, i think American Jews are the primary origin and propagandist for minoritarianism.

    Most of my comments here have nothing in particular to do with Jews. Heck, most of my comments this past year could be compressed to:
    "Minoritarianism bad." and/or "Separate nations."
    Cause basically there's nothing left to say. This year is just a minoritarian shit show.

    ~~~

    I agree with you on propaganda value. Jews have successfully--minoritarianism!--made themselves "the people beyond critique" in polite American society. Attributing anything to the nefarious Jews gets you absolutely nowhere among normies. (That's proof of just how oppressed Jews are.)

    But this is an intellectual/HBD blog. On the question of intellectual history--where did minoritarianism come from? why? what's the point, who benefits? how did it rise to dominance?, then speaking about Jews and "Jewish minoritarianism" is perfectly apt.

    The crux of our argument:
    AnotherDad:
    -- what we're dealing with is "minoritarianism": "minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil"
    -- it's an attack on the right of white gentiles--specifically the mass of working white gentiles--to be dominant in their own nations, live according to their own culture and govern themselves
    -- it replaced the previous WASP ideology--roughly "salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP"--with the rise of the Jews through American institutions
    -- to become the dominant elite ideology in America (and from there is spreading through the West)

    JackD
    -- what we're dealing with is "leftism"
    -- it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because ... ???
    -- it's the dominant ideology for white elites, with Jews only over-represented in pushing it because they more likely to be elite (and simply copy and follow along with whatever elite white gentiles do)

    I think your Jews-got-nothing-special-to-do-with-it thing is nuts. But whatever.

    ~

    But let's just say I never ever never say "Jewish minoritarianism" ever again. And we know anyone who matters, anyone mainstream--Christopher Caldwell (who does use it in his new book), Tucker (who i've never heard use it yet), etc. etc.--is never going to say anything abou Jews.

    Does anyone serious think that that mean saying "minoritarianism" won't be labelled "anti-Semitic"? "An anti-Semitic conspiracy theory"?

    C'mon. Immigration restriction--which is the most normal thing in the world; keeping the invaders off your turf is right up there after food and sex--is "anti-Semitic". Anything and everything that enables white gentiles to govern themselves, have their own culture, enjoy their own lives ... is "anti-Semitic". And it's not "anti-Semitic" me who claims that. It's Jews themselves who run around and label anything normal and non-minoritarian "anti-Semitic".

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did...
     
    Jeezus, JackD - time to step away from the keyboard, for a while, I think.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism
     
    Bolshevism was largely Jewish; Hitler was correct in his characterization. Just because the golem they created became ‘less Jewish’ by biomass ratio doesn’t absolve the Jewish Bolsheviks for engineering it in the first place.

    (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had …
     
    Yes, if it makes you feel any better, Hitler’s Wehrmacht also killed many, many Red Army (and civilian) goyim—perhaps he was unimpressed with Slavic capitulation to Jewish revolutionary troublemaking.

    … and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik.)
     
    If you’re specifying the Jews of Europe, certainly they, or their descendants, were likely to become Bolsheviks, or Bolshevik sympathizers, given the established Jewish nature of Bolshevism—which was an existential threat to all of Europe. Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah. Minoritarian, revolutionary Jews miscalculated big time back then, got a population readjustment, and yet are pushing similar bullshit today. Plus ça change. Like you’ve (ironically) written before, “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.” It’s a vicious cycle of HBD.

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  231. @Ben tillman
    @El Dato

    Lol. What a great movie!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed, Ben. I can’t believe I’ve never see it. Just ordered it after seeing that clip. Thank you, El Dato.

  232. It’s like he barfed every thought in his head onto the page and started every sentence with “I”. The quality of NYT reporters must’ve gone up over the years becasue there’s no way he would be hired today (although Cade Metz is evidence to the contrary). Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @bjdubbs


    Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.

     

    That's what I thought, too. I was thinking there's a fairly large set of commenters on this very site who could do a better job.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @William Badwhite
    @bjdubbs


    Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.
     
    Agreed, his writing is terrible. That may be a function of decades of him relying on editor to clean up behind him but it is a poor reflection on him that he thought vomiting out this drivel would make him a sympathetic character.

    It makes one wonder what one learns in "journalism" school. I suppose "The Wonderfulness of Journalists" and "Democracy Dies in Darkness Without Journalists" and other self-congratulatory nonsense.

  233. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

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    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney….

    You’re just lawyering–off on a tangent–here, Jack.

    My comment wasn’t about the specifics of the Smith College example nor the NYT example. I was under no confusion about “Kathleen McCartney”–LOL–non Jewishness the moment i read the Smith piece. And i’ve repeatedly pointed out “good whites” have their hands all over this stuff.

    Though i’m pretty confident if you parse through bales of these minoritorian dramas and identify cowards and culprits, you will find Jewish overrepresentation among the culprits who really force the minoritarian response or push minoritarianism through the institution. Definitely not “every single time”. But way, way over the share–say 15% or so–of Jewish representation in management/control of American institutions.

    But the crux of my point wasn’t even any of that … it was exactly what i actually said:
    Blacks have almost no actual power in the US.

    Outside of a few black majority cities, they just don’t control the levers of power. Blacks are at the fore generating “incidents” and demands this past year, but the people in institutional control agreeing, capitulating, “resetting”, “reckoning”, “resetting” … Jews and “good white” gentiles.

    And outside of this year’s tedious blackety, blackety stuff, the other minoritarian offensives:
    — homosexuals,/homo-marriage
    — LBGQWERTY
    — women’s entitlement to a fair share of whatever-men-do-that-makes-money-or-has-status-that-women-aren’t-interested-in-or-not-good-at
    — mentally ill trannies
    and the one that really matters
    — immigration
    have basically zero to do with blacks. Pushed end-to-end by Jews and good-whites.

    This isn’t a black-white race war. It’s an ideological war amongst white people. Minoritarianism against white people, republican self-government, nations, normality, civilization itself.

    The crux of my comment is … exactly what i said.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @AnotherDad

    Jack's point is that so long as there's even a single goyische figurehead remaining anywhere in America, it's scientifically impossible for chosenites to be up to anything at all. Science proves it!

    , @vhrm
    @AnotherDad

    the crux of your argument is right on but I agree with @Jack D when he says:


    Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way – not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don’t mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can’t help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.
     
    I'd even extend "non-anti-semitic non-Jews" to mild anti-semites. e.g. even if one dislikes some aspects of jewish group behaviors or political or cultural influence, or thinks the holocaust has been twisted and weaponized for political gain,

    There's a long distance from that to: "they're colluding with each other to corrupt society to keep the goyim down and succeeding".

    I'm not well versed in this stuff, but I'm sure it's been pointed out that the "whites would be doing great if it weren't for the Jews scheming and holding us down" is quite similar to " blacks would be doing great if only the whites weren't scheming and holding us down".

    Afaik IQ distribution explains a lot of the gaps in performance /representation in both cases.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @S
    @AnotherDad


    And outside of this year’s tedious blackety, blackety stuff, the other minoritarian offensives:
    ... and the one that really matters
    — immigration

     
    And with that you've hit the nail on the head.

    Within the Anglosphere, wage slavery (also known less accurately as the 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system) has historically been the primary source of the so called 'progressives' wealth and political power. This streamlined 'just in time' slavery, with the wage slave 'immigrant' as it's centerpiece, evolved straight out of chattel slavery and it's trade, and not coincidentally closely parallels it in many ways. It is the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural society.

    For the 'immigrant', whether skilled or more likely unskilled, from a financial point of view, is the slave for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local costs of labor, without the immigration taking place or the immigrant being present.

    With the wage slave (cheap labor/mass immigration) system, virtually every past negative costs, financially and otherwise, that the former would be slave dealer and slave purchaser had had to deal with, has now been safely outsourced to the non-exploiting general public to bear, whilst they retain the financial value of the systematically stolen labor (the essence of slavery) for themselves. Banks are still present with wage slavery, as ships and houses (now in far greater volume) still have to be constructed, financed, and insured, to transport and shelter the so called 'cheap labor'.

    With cheap labor/mass immigration, rather than chattel slavery and it's trade having been abolished, it was instead monetized, i.e. distilled down to it's financial essence whilst profits were maximized.

    Lastly, for historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on, whether they be of one's own people and or alien, the 'immigrants' conveniently make for a powerful divide and conquer, divide and rule bio-weapon.

    One such group which had to deal with this weapon early on were the much derided 'know nothings' and 'nativists' who made an attempt to put a stop to the wage slavery system just prior to the U.S. Civil War, a war which itself was faught largely over the clashing chattel and wage slave systems of the respective South and North.

    Many quite correctly instinctively sense a deep connection between liberalism/progressivism and chattel slavery when they speak of the 'liberal plantation, they just don't quite grasps how deep the rabbit hole goes.

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’
     
    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_
    , @S
    @AnotherDad


    This isn’t a black-white race war. It’s an ideological war amongst white people. Minoritarianism against white people, republican self-government, nations, normality, civilization itself.
     
    This 'minoritarianism' you describe I see as having its roots in chattel slavery and what I describe as 'doting' behaviour by 'goodly' Anglo-Saxon slave owners upon their African chattel slaves.

    Sensing at a certain level that chattel slavery was not right, but not prepared to stop the practice and free them as they should have, slave owners to feel good about themselves would instead dote upon their slaves with small 'treats' and 'favors' the same as a person does a favored cat or dog. Over the centuries this doting behaviour devolved into a perverse fetishizing of Blacks as almost 'holy' individuals.

    With chattel slavery's monetization via the introduction of wage slavery (ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system) in the first half of the 19th century this doting /fetishizing behaviour was simply carried over to the 'immigrant'. [The 'progressive' Elizabeth Warren choosing to launch her 2020 presidential election bid in Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Massachusetts (proudly New Englands first 'minority/majority' city) is a modern example of this, amongst many others.]

    Of course, if they truly had cared about either the chattel slave or the modern cheap labor wage slave, they wouldn't be engaging in the systematic theft of the value of their labor. This doting/fetishizing 'virtue signaling' by chattel/wage slave exploiters, and their hangers on, is all about themselves. In each instance they only have cared about the value of the labor they are systematically stealing, nothing else. Not about there own Anglo-Saxon people, nor themselves as individuals.

    Deep down, at a certain level realizing they've been living a lie regarding slavery and its purported abolition, I think there is a tremendous sense of guilt amongst progressives, and in error, rather than choose life, they want to commit a type of murder suicide of both their own people and themselves as individuals.

    Euros, Anglo-Saxon or otherwise, need to separate themselves from the so called 'progressives' and their historic slavery (chattel and wage) if they wish to survive. Similarly, amicable separation (if at all possible) from a long term poisonous, co-dependent,and dysfunctional relationship between Euros and the Jewish people, a relationship bad and unhealthy for both parties, would probably be best for both groups ultimately as well.

    The sick fetishizing of Blacks goes back a long time. Below is an excerpt from the first chapter of the 1851 book Negromania decrying the phenomena even then. It describes a series of lectures given in Philadelphia all of which allowed for criticisms to be made afterwards. The only one which didn't allow this was the lecture given by a mulatto who claimed the ancient Egyptians were Blacks (who no doubt built the pyramids) and who originated the world's arts and sciences.

    Negromania (1851) - pg 4-5

    '..Mr. Johnson, a mulatto, lectured in the Franklin Hall, upon the same subject; the portions taken by Mr. Johnson were, that the ancient Egyptians were negroes, and that they were the originators of the arts and sciences.'
     
    https://archive.org/details/negromaniabeinge00camp

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  234. @Ron Unz

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.
     
    Yes, I've thought from the beginning that's probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you'll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @RichardTaylor, @R.G. Camara, @Verymuchalive, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944

    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on “collaborators”. Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings. In actuality, these attacks were not spontaneous, but mostly organised by French Communist cells. Those attacked and murdered were mostly political opponents, personal enemies or people they hated. Few were real “collaborators”.

    Some historians claimed that this was merely part of a larger plan by the French Communist Party to effect a coup, but this was thwarted by allied troops controlling the borders. That’s how I remember the story 30 years ago. It had been a taboo subject in France until the mid-1980s ( I think ) . Even then I could only locate a few sources.

    I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Verymuchalive


    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on “collaborators”. Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings...I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.
     
    Sure. I discussed the issue at considerable length in a couple of my long articles from 2018 and 2019:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    At the time, the officially-recognized number of victims by the Socialist French Minister of the Interior as reported to De Gaulle was 105,000, though unsurprisingly that was "disappeared" from the later history books. Vastly more momentous events of that period also "disappeared" from those same history books.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @J.Ross

  235. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

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    Jack, are we to pretend the Frankfurt School didn’t exist? Emmanuel Cellar? Gramsci? Marcuse? The Federal Reserve, Rothschilds and Goldman-Sachs? Second wave Feminists? The Authoritarian Personality? Are we to pretend that what the Jews have done here didn’t have trial runs in Germany and Russia?

    You say we should tone down the Jew stuff so we don’t turn off those who might be sympathetic to our views, but my people aren’t as prone to sophistry as other groups and prefer the plain truth, and the truth is that a group of people came to our country, used our high-trust mores against us, and proceeded to loot and destroy a great country, our country. That’s the truth, and as America crashes and burns it’s important for everyone to know why, how, and who, and more and more people are catching on. Can you imagine your plight if your people didn’t have control of all our institutions? I do understand your concern; if I were a successful Jew I’d be concerned too. It’s become all too obvious.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Neuday

    How did such a "high trust" society end up nearly slaughtering itself to death in the Civil War?

    PS - Gramsci wasn't Jewish - you must have read that on some low IQ Nazi site. His family were Sardinians of perhaps Albanian origin. Yes, I looked it up. My bullshit meter began ticking.

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    , @Jack D
    @Neuday

    Yes, those high trust naive altruistic moral white people who conquered half the planet and who bought people to work for them for free in chains and when that didn't work kept them as 2nd class citizens and sold opium to the Chinese and so on. It was all a paradise until the Jooish snakes entered the WASP Garden of Eden and sold them the forbidden fruit (on sale, 3 for 25 cents!) and put their slimy Jew hands all over the shiksa maidens as if they were Andrew Cuomo.

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    , @BenKenobi
    @Neuday

    “Ye shall know the truthfulness of a comment by its relies.”
    - Unzitarian Proverb

    PS: Bareback Pillowbiter seems to be newest replicant on the scene.

  236. @Paperback Writer
    @HammerJack

    I'm not going to the trouble of looking up stuff for you - I'll do this later, for myself - but I gathered that the Jewish kid is indeed going to be made to suffer. That's the reason for discussing the matter. The name is known in his circles.

    Stupid is as stupid does, but lazy is inexcusable.

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    I’m sure her suffering will be similar to that of Bernardine Oehrnstein.

  237. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Again with the Joos.

    Well, three times AD writes some variation on “Jews & good whites.” If he just wrote “good whites” instead, would you have any quarrel with him?

    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @vinteuil

    There's a big difference between never mentioning Jews and blaming Jews for EVERYTHING.

    I think most people know by now that Goodwhites are composed of WASPs, Jews and Catholics (nowadays often combined in the same person). The pure Jewish component is fading fast because the next generation is either intermarried or non-existent because their mothers forgot to have babies. Increasingly people who are 100% Jewish are Orthodox and not Goodwhite at all.

    Religiously, the most salient things about Goodwhites is not that some of them are Jewish but that most of them are atheists. Egalitarianism has replaced their traditional god. Even the ones who purport to observe any sort of traditional religion (increasingly few since people of mixed background don't know whether they should go to church or synagogue or both) observe some watered down perverted version of it with female "Rabbis" and gay ministers and so on. In any case, if say 10% to 20% of Goodwhites are fully or partly Jewish, what is the point in talking about the Jewish segment all the time as if 100% of Goodwhites were Jewish? Isn't it sufficient to say "Goodwhites" instead of "Jews and Goodwhites" , especially in cases like Smith where it's not evident that Jews played any meaningful part in the incident?

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @Polistra
    @vinteuil


    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?
     
    More influential than politics is MSM entertainment/propaganda. Look at the writing and producing credits of the most pernicious anti-white shows and they're identifiably 80, 90, even 100% of the Tribe. Proportional representation is supposed to be all the rage nowadays, but hell will freeze over before that proportion is addressed. Easier just to call them all 'white' and knock off the few remaining goys for appearance's sake.
  238. @Paperback Writer
    @HammerJack

    I'm not going to the trouble of looking up stuff for you - I'll do this later, for myself - but I gathered that the Jewish kid is indeed going to be made to suffer. That's the reason for discussing the matter. The name is known in his circles.

    Stupid is as stupid does, but lazy is inexcusable.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @HammerJack

    If you had any evidence at all for your preposterous apologia, you’d have posted it by now. You’re certainly not fooling anyone here.

  239. @Change that Matters
    @Michelle

    I agree. I don't feel one ounce of sorrow for what happened to him.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Michelle

    Yes, I agree with both you and Michelle.

    As I am scrolling through the comments thinking about this former NYT stooge, I can’ t help but recall the numerous and varied accounts written by those who witnessed zeks and former nomenkltura types when first arrested by the KGB.

    Most if not all screamed, “but this is a mistake! I’m a loyal Party man! Stalin must be told of this outrage, he will put it right!”

    Often this was said during the initial interrogation when the beatings and torture started.

    Yes, they all loved Father Stalin. A few even for a while in the camps. Blind faith is tough to overcome, when it is coupled with hope.

    Ordinary people — too stupid to understand things — and enablers — those who support the regime due to personal benefits, often fall into this psychological blind alley. Easier to believe in “mistakes” than in your own blindness or shocking stupidity. More comforting.

    If we live long enough, we may still see the Woke mavens of thought control whine and complain about how unfair it is for them to be cancelled too. Never forgive, never forget.

  240. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney....
     
    You're just lawyering--off on a tangent--here, Jack.

    My comment wasn't about the specifics of the Smith College example nor the NYT example. I was under no confusion about "Kathleen McCartney"--LOL--non Jewishness the moment i read the Smith piece. And i've repeatedly pointed out "good whites" have their hands all over this stuff.

    Though i'm pretty confident if you parse through bales of these minoritorian dramas and identify cowards and culprits, you will find Jewish overrepresentation among the culprits who really force the minoritarian response or push minoritarianism through the institution. Definitely not "every single time". But way, way over the share--say 15% or so--of Jewish representation in management/control of American institutions.


    But the crux of my point wasn't even any of that ... it was exactly what i actually said:
    Blacks have almost no actual power in the US.

    Outside of a few black majority cities, they just don't control the levers of power. Blacks are at the fore generating "incidents" and demands this past year, but the people in institutional control agreeing, capitulating, "resetting", "reckoning", "resetting" ... Jews and "good white" gentiles.

    And outside of this year's tedious blackety, blackety stuff, the other minoritarian offensives:
    -- homosexuals,/homo-marriage
    -- LBGQWERTY
    -- women's entitlement to a fair share of whatever-men-do-that-makes-money-or-has-status-that-women-aren't-interested-in-or-not-good-at
    -- mentally ill trannies
    and the one that really matters
    -- immigration
    have basically zero to do with blacks. Pushed end-to-end by Jews and good-whites.

    This isn't a black-white race war. It's an ideological war amongst white people. Minoritarianism against white people, republican self-government, nations, normality, civilization itself.





    The crux of my comment is ... exactly what i said.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @vhrm, @S, @S

    Jack’s point is that so long as there’s even a single goyische figurehead remaining anywhere in America, it’s scientifically impossible for chosenites to be up to anything at all. Science proves it!

  241. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Oh, divert and shift blame. “it’s everyone else who’s doing it”, etc. Wait a second, are you the poster who always defends the Jews no matter what, and never concedes that collectively, that they do share blame for having helped to take down the historical American nation?

  242. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    Replies: @Neuday, @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are doing the same thing that Hitler did

    LOL! You dare to mention the J word! We will crush you!

  243. @El Dato
    @wren

    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles, @wren, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, Brennan wears that Biblical “coat of many colors.”

  244. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    2) This guy made the mistake of thinking you can reason with modern, almost-all-girl, high school seniors
     
    Actually, McNeil sounds like a cuck. Remember, this the guy who now says that “of course systemic racism exists.” I was only misunderstood!

    I’d say that during the imbroglio with the Times, McNeil’s error came in not being truthful enough (rather than in being too truthful), both in the internal struggle and in the PR one. All of his little half truths come off as not credible and weak.

    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose? And if you’re going to give up your job, why not go out landing some blows in the name of truth?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @I, Libertine

    Did he ever say in his Medium article why he suddenly resigned, rather than fighting for his job against Times management? I couldn’t find it. What did he have to lose?

    No he did not. I double-checked. That’s the dog that didn’t bark. Also, he never tells us why March 1st is such a magic date. My suspicion is that he’d get even less sympathy if all of the terms of his departure deal were to be revealed.

  245. Another thing about this self serving complaint by McNeil was something I read on iSteve posted in another thread.

    It was a comment by a former journalist who worked at the LA Times but was working for a while along side a former NYT reporter.

    The gist of his comment was that in contrast to every other paper he had worked for the NYT former reporter told him they would sit around all morning, waiting for their NYC based editors to tell them what stories to write, which were going to be part of the next day’s ‘narrative’ of events.

    This was evident years ago before The Narrative become so obvious in the MSM.

    So while some reporters for the Times may have actually sought out news, their process was to be told what was important and then write about that. This top-down Communist style fake journalism is in their DNA. While editors have and do shape stories and push for certain themes in all journalism, at the NYT it was not expected to seek out “news” without being told what it was.

    Foolish McNeil thought his Woke fueled job ouster could be “made into news” since he was a former journalist. No, he’s now an Unperson and hence, no news for him. Sauce for the gander…

  246. @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    There are a lot of whites who are safe, because their politics make them so.

     

    Good grief.

    But I think Steve and others have pointed out that Jewish elites will figure out a way to pull the brakes, if not all the East and South Asian elites who also are in on the take. Right now leftist Jews and corporatist Asians are wielding whiteness to take out competitors.
     
    The anti-Semites here are so stupid and lazy that not only do they not read the source material (they just come here to spout off) they don't read comments such as mine above, which provide them the most important part of the source material.

    The argument in question concerned a Jewish kid whose life will now be ruined because s/he used the n-word in a bantering convo with someone s/he thought was a friend. The black kid's life will not be ruined for using anti-Jewish words in a similarly bantering fashion. And yet, somehow, "hostile Jewish elites" are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids' lives. Got that.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Bardon Kaldian, @ben tillman

    And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.

    Not “hostile Jewish elites”, plural. The organized Jewish community, singular, is the driving force behind mass immigration and all other anti-white political ideologies and movements. This scientific conclusion is supported by both theory and oodles of empirical evidence.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @ben tillman

    Can I quote you?

  247. @wren
    OT: I really don't like this guy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-brennan-embarrassed-white-male

    https://www.twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1366498703452872704

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @El Dato, @Harry Baldwin, @Rich, @Daniel H, @Dan Hayes

    Brennan talks like a fag.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Daniel H

    and his shit's all fucked up.

    Replies: @wren

    , @wren
    @Daniel H

    Especially when he speaks in his beloved Arabic.

    https://youtu.be/c3aexs4xHzQ

  248. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    Replies: @Neuday, @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism …

    You don’t call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism.

    No credit for not calling it Judeo-Minoritarianism?

    Jack, i realize you’re a Jewish patriot–good for you–and are going to be hyper-sensitize whenever i tag this nonsense “Jewish”, or attribute its origin to Jews.

    But in point of fact, i have overwhelmingly just called it “minoritarianism” and described it exactly the way i did in the previous comment: “minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil.” (One could parse my comments, though who’d want to.)

    My comments back and forth with you are usually about origins/responsibility, so “Jewish” looms much larger. Yes, i think American Jews are the primary origin and propagandist for minoritarianism.

    Most of my comments here have nothing in particular to do with Jews. Heck, most of my comments this past year could be compressed to:
    “Minoritarianism bad.” and/or “Separate nations.”
    Cause basically there’s nothing left to say. This year is just a minoritarian shit show.

    ~~~

    I agree with you on propaganda value. Jews have successfully–minoritarianism!–made themselves “the people beyond critique” in polite American society. Attributing anything to the nefarious Jews gets you absolutely nowhere among normies. (That’s proof of just how oppressed Jews are.)

    But this is an intellectual/HBD blog. On the question of intellectual history–where did minoritarianism come from? why? what’s the point, who benefits? how did it rise to dominance?, then speaking about Jews and “Jewish minoritarianism” is perfectly apt.

    The crux of our argument:
    AnotherDad:
    — what we’re dealing with is “minoritarianism”: “minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil”
    — it’s an attack on the right of white gentiles–specifically the mass of working white gentiles–to be dominant in their own nations, live according to their own culture and govern themselves
    — it replaced the previous WASP ideology–roughly “salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP”–with the rise of the Jews through American institutions
    — to become the dominant elite ideology in America (and from there is spreading through the West)

    JackD
    — what we’re dealing with is “leftism”
    — it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because … ???
    — it’s the dominant ideology for white elites, with Jews only over-represented in pushing it because they more likely to be elite (and simply copy and follow along with whatever elite white gentiles do)

    I think your Jews-got-nothing-special-to-do-with-it thing is nuts. But whatever.

    ~

    But let’s just say I never ever never say “Jewish minoritarianism” ever again. And we know anyone who matters, anyone mainstream–Christopher Caldwell (who does use it in his new book), Tucker (who i’ve never heard use it yet), etc. etc.–is never going to say anything abou Jews.

    Does anyone serious think that that mean saying “minoritarianism” won’t be labelled “anti-Semitic”? “An anti-Semitic conspiracy theory”?

    C’mon. Immigration restriction–which is the most normal thing in the world; keeping the invaders off your turf is right up there after food and sex–is “anti-Semitic”. Anything and everything that enables white gentiles to govern themselves, have their own culture, enjoy their own lives … is “anti-Semitic”. And it’s not “anti-Semitic” me who claims that. It’s Jews themselves who run around and label anything normal and non-minoritarian “anti-Semitic”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because … ???
     
    Because:

    1. Once economic Marxism was shown to be a failure that led only to totalitarianism (while at the same time not fulfilling its promise of Red Plenty) , academics moved on to cultural Marxism.

    2. Because the formerly respected WASP elites showed themselves to be unworthy of their leadership role - instead of leading us to victory against the Nazis, they led us into a quagmire in Vietnam. Instead of fulfilling the promises made in the post Civil War Amendments, they created or tolerated Jim Crow. While they were busy telling us how to behave, behind closed doors they were a bunch of drunks and adulterers and perverts. They were nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and not fit to be anybody's role model. (BTW, the #1 proponents of the “salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP” ethos were the Jewish studio heads and scriptwriters of Hollywood - they were the ones who sold this message to the American public.)

    3. Because big business in America was ALWAYS in favor of cheap immigrant labor. (Slavery was the ULTIMATE in cheap labor but not the only form). 1920 to 1964 was the exceptional period in American history where white middle class interests were driving the agenda but the Civil Rights movement (which basically whites brought upon themselves by mistreating blacks more than necessary) was able to divide and conquer white America by cleaving it into pro- and anti-black factions. As someone who grew up in that period, you think of that as being the "normal" America but in fact that was an unusual period in American history, especially the 1945-1964 period of your childhood where much of the rest of the world lay in ruins - for example in the early 1950s the US produced 80% of the world's automobiles. That was never going to last.

    Now we are back to the historic norm where unions have little power, other countries have restored their industrial base and the price of labor has been driven down to a point that Big Business is comfortable paying and working class whites are in no position to argue for more and win.

    Replies: @Alden, @AnotherDad

  249. @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos.
     
    Well, three times AD writes some variation on "Jews & good whites." If he just wrote "good whites" instead, would you have any quarrel with him?

    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Polistra

    There’s a big difference between never mentioning Jews and blaming Jews for EVERYTHING.

    I think most people know by now that Goodwhites are composed of WASPs, Jews and Catholics (nowadays often combined in the same person). The pure Jewish component is fading fast because the next generation is either intermarried or non-existent because their mothers forgot to have babies. Increasingly people who are 100% Jewish are Orthodox and not Goodwhite at all.

    Religiously, the most salient things about Goodwhites is not that some of them are Jewish but that most of them are atheists. Egalitarianism has replaced their traditional god. Even the ones who purport to observe any sort of traditional religion (increasingly few since people of mixed background don’t know whether they should go to church or synagogue or both) observe some watered down perverted version of it with female “Rabbis” and gay ministers and so on. In any case, if say 10% to 20% of Goodwhites are fully or partly Jewish, what is the point in talking about the Jewish segment all the time as if 100% of Goodwhites were Jewish? Isn’t it sufficient to say “Goodwhites” instead of “Jews and Goodwhites” , especially in cases like Smith where it’s not evident that Jews played any meaningful part in the incident?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    There’s a big difference between never mentioning Jews and blaming Jews for EVERYTHING.
     
    Totally agreed. There's a lot of space between, e.g., you & Ron Unz.

    Steve Sailer is a little closer to you, on that spectrum, while Another Dad is a little closer to Ron Unz.
  250. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Dawkins’s great contribution wasn’t The Selfish Gene; it was The Extended Phenotype.

    McCartney’s beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community. Indoctrination, incentivization, intimidation, and imitation (of those who succeed by following the rules) are the basis for her racist and unjust actions. The imposition of an anti-white moral code along with the inculcation of false historical and biological narratives produces this sort of behavior.

    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks.

    That’s right, and there is a reason why this is so.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    McCartney’s beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community.
     
    Again with the invisible Jews. Now tell us about the luminiferous aether and phlostigen and other invisible forces.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  251. @ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer


    And yet, somehow, “hostile Jewish elites” are running this show. To ruin Jewish kids’ lives. Got that.
     
    Not "hostile Jewish elites", plural. The organized Jewish community, singular, is the driving force behind mass immigration and all other anti-white political ideologies and movements. This scientific conclusion is supported by both theory and oodles of empirical evidence.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Can I quote you?

  252. @Travis
    McNeil must be delusional to believe he can reason with the woke. He just dug himself a bigger and bigger hole with each sentence he wrote attempting to defend his racist thoughts and words. Is he really this foolish ? He even admits to mocking the Indian shaman and his rituals.

    Does he recall what the press did to the high school boy who was attacked for smirking at an Indian ? And McNeil expects to get away with mocking an Indian shaman during his ceremony and then disparaging the shaman for cultural appropriation of European Christian culture.

    in January 2019 the American press defamed the teen boys as racists who harassed a Native American. the key evidence was a video of a boy smiling as the Indian pounded a drum near his face....Yet this NY Times writer seems to think he is exempt from the woke mob because he fails to wear a MAGA hat while insulting an Indian shaman.

    Replies: @anon, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Good point, besides using a racial slur his mocking of an Indian shaman could be enough to have him Blacklisted working at an American newspaper.

  253. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  254. @Neuday
    @Jack D

    Jack, are we to pretend the Frankfurt School didn't exist? Emmanuel Cellar? Gramsci? Marcuse? The Federal Reserve, Rothschilds and Goldman-Sachs? Second wave Feminists? The Authoritarian Personality? Are we to pretend that what the Jews have done here didn't have trial runs in Germany and Russia?

    You say we should tone down the Jew stuff so we don't turn off those who might be sympathetic to our views, but my people aren't as prone to sophistry as other groups and prefer the plain truth, and the truth is that a group of people came to our country, used our high-trust mores against us, and proceeded to loot and destroy a great country, our country. That's the truth, and as America crashes and burns it's important for everyone to know why, how, and who, and more and more people are catching on. Can you imagine your plight if your people didn't have control of all our institutions? I do understand your concern; if I were a successful Jew I'd be concerned too. It's become all too obvious.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @BenKenobi

    How did such a “high trust” society end up nearly slaughtering itself to death in the Civil War?

    PS – Gramsci wasn’t Jewish – you must have read that on some low IQ Nazi site. His family were Sardinians of perhaps Albanian origin. Yes, I looked it up. My bullshit meter began ticking.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Paperback Writer

    He was probably thinking of the odious Adorno, who was. What's your bullshit detector telling you now?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  255. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism ...

    You don’t call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism.
     

    No credit for not calling it Judeo-Minoritarianism?

    Jack, i realize you're a Jewish patriot--good for you--and are going to be hyper-sensitize whenever i tag this nonsense "Jewish", or attribute its origin to Jews.

    But in point of fact, i have overwhelmingly just called it "minoritarianism" and described it exactly the way i did in the previous comment: "minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil." (One could parse my comments, though who'd want to.)

    My comments back and forth with you are usually about origins/responsibility, so "Jewish" looms much larger. Yes, i think American Jews are the primary origin and propagandist for minoritarianism.

    Most of my comments here have nothing in particular to do with Jews. Heck, most of my comments this past year could be compressed to:
    "Minoritarianism bad." and/or "Separate nations."
    Cause basically there's nothing left to say. This year is just a minoritarian shit show.

    ~~~

    I agree with you on propaganda value. Jews have successfully--minoritarianism!--made themselves "the people beyond critique" in polite American society. Attributing anything to the nefarious Jews gets you absolutely nowhere among normies. (That's proof of just how oppressed Jews are.)

    But this is an intellectual/HBD blog. On the question of intellectual history--where did minoritarianism come from? why? what's the point, who benefits? how did it rise to dominance?, then speaking about Jews and "Jewish minoritarianism" is perfectly apt.

    The crux of our argument:
    AnotherDad:
    -- what we're dealing with is "minoritarianism": "minorities oppressed/virtuous; majorities oppressive/evil"
    -- it's an attack on the right of white gentiles--specifically the mass of working white gentiles--to be dominant in their own nations, live according to their own culture and govern themselves
    -- it replaced the previous WASP ideology--roughly "salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP"--with the rise of the Jews through American institutions
    -- to become the dominant elite ideology in America (and from there is spreading through the West)

    JackD
    -- what we're dealing with is "leftism"
    -- it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because ... ???
    -- it's the dominant ideology for white elites, with Jews only over-represented in pushing it because they more likely to be elite (and simply copy and follow along with whatever elite white gentiles do)

    I think your Jews-got-nothing-special-to-do-with-it thing is nuts. But whatever.

    ~

    But let's just say I never ever never say "Jewish minoritarianism" ever again. And we know anyone who matters, anyone mainstream--Christopher Caldwell (who does use it in his new book), Tucker (who i've never heard use it yet), etc. etc.--is never going to say anything abou Jews.

    Does anyone serious think that that mean saying "minoritarianism" won't be labelled "anti-Semitic"? "An anti-Semitic conspiracy theory"?

    C'mon. Immigration restriction--which is the most normal thing in the world; keeping the invaders off your turf is right up there after food and sex--is "anti-Semitic". Anything and everything that enables white gentiles to govern themselves, have their own culture, enjoy their own lives ... is "anti-Semitic". And it's not "anti-Semitic" me who claims that. It's Jews themselves who run around and label anything normal and non-minoritarian "anti-Semitic".

    Replies: @Jack D

    it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because … ???

    Because:

    1. Once economic Marxism was shown to be a failure that led only to totalitarianism (while at the same time not fulfilling its promise of Red Plenty) , academics moved on to cultural Marxism.

    2. Because the formerly respected WASP elites showed themselves to be unworthy of their leadership role – instead of leading us to victory against the Nazis, they led us into a quagmire in Vietnam. Instead of fulfilling the promises made in the post Civil War Amendments, they created or tolerated Jim Crow. While they were busy telling us how to behave, behind closed doors they were a bunch of drunks and adulterers and perverts. They were nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and not fit to be anybody’s role model. (BTW, the #1 proponents of the “salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP” ethos were the Jewish studio heads and scriptwriters of Hollywood – they were the ones who sold this message to the American public.)

    3. Because big business in America was ALWAYS in favor of cheap immigrant labor. (Slavery was the ULTIMATE in cheap labor but not the only form). 1920 to 1964 was the exceptional period in American history where white middle class interests were driving the agenda but the Civil Rights movement (which basically whites brought upon themselves by mistreating blacks more than necessary) was able to divide and conquer white America by cleaving it into pro- and anti-black factions. As someone who grew up in that period, you think of that as being the “normal” America but in fact that was an unusual period in American history, especially the 1945-1964 period of your childhood where much of the rest of the world lay in ruins – for example in the early 1950s the US produced 80% of the world’s automobiles. That was never going to last.

    Now we are back to the historic norm where unions have little power, other countries have restored their industrial base and the price of labor has been driven down to a point that Big Business is comfortable paying and working class whites are in no position to argue for more and win.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    Professor Alden gives Jack D an A +++ in practical real economics.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, you're spinning up your best points here, but it's a muddle ... and actually reveals my point:


    3. Because big business in America was ALWAYS in favor of cheap immigrant labor.
     
    Timeline doesn't work. The US wasn't Britain importing Pakis for Yorkshire mills. Nor Germany importing Turks after their economic miracle. The US simply did not take the demographic hit from the War and did not have a labor shortage. And as you note, right after the War American business didn't have serious global competition, was not under intense price pressure.

    Produce farmers--think California--sucked up cheap immigrant labor, but it was irrelevant to "big business" in America. (Eisenhower--Republican--bracero program.) The US then had Baby Boom labor flooding into the labor market from the mid-60s on. High unemployment in the 70s. It wasn't until the 80s--Tyson chicken, slaughterhouses--that there was anything even remotely "big business" using immigrant labor. Not till the 90s with tech, do you get the immigration cheerleading.

    Everyone like someone else to labor for them cheaply. And unrestrained finance and unrestrained capitalism is clearly a problem. But American big business did not even drive the immigration opening, much less minoritarianism back in the 60s.

    2. Because the formerly respected WASP elites showed themselves to be unworthy of their leadership role ... Vietnam ... Jim Crow ... drunks, adulterers and perverts ... #1 proponents of the “salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP” ethos were the Jewish studio heads and scriptwriters of Hollywood ...

     

    Ok, Jack you've got issues with the WASPs. So noted.

    For the record i don't see any evidence that are particularly perverted. But they are human.

    I realize it takes Jews to make the sun rise in the East, but actually the "salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP" public school, was the WASPs primary mechanism to assimilate the Great Wave influx of people whose habits were further afield from American norms. Predating Jewish Hollyweird having any significant impact.

    Vietnam was a blow to the credibility of the WASP ruling class--really the "we know what we are doing" Harvard/Yale WASPy ruling class. (Lots of arguments over the severity of the blow.) But that just discredits WASP leadership and "opens up" power to other groups, it doesn't really create an ideology of minoritarianism.

    So once power was opened up ... who walked through the door and gave us minoritarianism?

    1. Once economic Marxism was shown to be a failure ... academics ...
     
    Minoritarianism far pre-dates the collapse of the Soviet Union. But ok, people who formerly loved the Soviet Union, communism move on to minoritarianism.

    Why minoritarianism? And who were those people? WASPs? LOL! You're precisely describing what i claim.

    ~~~

    Jack, you third point--cheap labor--is generally true, valid. But it's more relevant to post-War immigration to Europe--why certain countries started getting "diversity". Doesn't fit the American immigration re-opening timeline nor the rise of minoritarianism--though relevant to tech industry cheap-labor wheedling today.

    But your first and second points are just outlining factors involved in the Jews' rise through American institutions (2) and why they brought minoritarianism rather than communism with them (1).

    You're making my case.
  256. @ben tillman
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She’s a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She’s not from an elite background – she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.
     
    Dawkins's great contribution wasn't The Selfish Gene; it was The Extended Phenotype.

    McCartney's beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community. Indoctrination, incentivization, intimidation, and imitation (of those who succeed by following the rules) are the basis for her racist and unjust actions. The imposition of an anti-white moral code along with the inculcation of false historical and biological narratives produces this sort of behavior.


    McCartney didn’t rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress’s complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn’t want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks.
     
    That's right, and there is a reason why this is so.

    Replies: @Jack D

    McCartney’s beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community.

    Again with the invisible Jews. Now tell us about the luminiferous aether and phlostigen and other invisible forces.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Jack D

    Jack, that is the sort of response one gets from someone thoroughly defeated.

  257. This hasn’t been the year for Donalds, has it? Mr Sutherland had better be careful around the Reversing Falls.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, thanks for that pic. I checked out the blog; interesting project.

    http://thelostvalley.blogspot.com/

  258. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Please don't confuse AnotherDad with the facts. It will always be Jewish Minoritarianism to him just as it was always Jewish Bolshevism to the Nazis. Even after every last Jew has been purged from the Inner Party it will still be Jewish as far as he is concerned.

    I already had the discussion with AnotherDad in another thread about how Smith is not a particularly Jewish place, especially by Northeast standards (hell, even the Episcopal Churches there are 10% Jewish, maybe even more nowadays). But this is his blindspot and he is impervious to reason on it. You might as well tell a Wokist that blacks are more violent than whites on average - you're not going to shake his worldview no matter how many facts you point out. Jews have magical powers so that even if the hand at the tiller is named McCartney the invisible hand of the Jews is the one guiding it. You might not be able to see the invisible Jew but AD can as surely as a Wokist can see the invisible white supremacist who is the one who is REALLY to blame when Tyquan tackles elderly Mr. Woo. Wokist don't have the exclusive on magical thinking. Did you really think that AD was going to pin this on the Catholics?

    I have mentioned this before - the Catholics must have great PR because they don't get blamed anymore. Back in the days of the 1920s KKK, the Catholics were just as much of a target as the Jews, if not more. In the 19th century, the Know Nothings used to set fire to Catholic Churches. Now I don't have anything against Catholics personally, but for some reason modern day Unzites seem focused only on the Jews. The big honcho himself, Jobiden, is a devout Catholic - no problem with that. No accusations like in the old days that he is taking orders from the Pope in Rome. No pointing out that Catholic liberation theology is riddled with Marxism and that the Church is riddled with homosexuals (with a few child molestors thrown in). But look over there - I see a Jew! When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @danand, @Paperback Writer

    “When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?”

    Jack, how dare you. They/them Irish Americans are most certainly NOT White, and now they have their own special month as proof!

    “NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim March 2021 as Irish-American Heritage Month.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/03/01/a-proclamation-on-irish-american-heritage-month-2021/

  259. @El Dato
    @wren

    John Brennan is the only man in the world who shows a coat can be turned in multiple dimensions at once.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Muggles, @wren, @Reg Cæsar

    The depth and breadth of colors in his coat are dizzying. From communist student radical to islam lover to cia officer to corrupt defense contractor CEO to cia chief, and all the while screwing the country.

    Still at it too.

  260. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions

    Uh, cool it with the anti-Semitism

  261. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Newspaper Guild is absolutely not a labor union. It’s a Guild, of extremely well educated ultra idiot intellectual upper middle class thought leaders and influencers. Platoists or the natural born aristocrats leading the masses onward and upward to whatever. Or so they claim. The Guild is lucky to keep basic health insurance for its ever dwindling membership.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Newspaper Guild is absolutely not a labor union. It’s a Guild, of extremely well educated ultra idiot intellectual upper middle class thought leaders and influencers.

    In other words, the NEA minus the goons.

  262. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney....
     
    You're just lawyering--off on a tangent--here, Jack.

    My comment wasn't about the specifics of the Smith College example nor the NYT example. I was under no confusion about "Kathleen McCartney"--LOL--non Jewishness the moment i read the Smith piece. And i've repeatedly pointed out "good whites" have their hands all over this stuff.

    Though i'm pretty confident if you parse through bales of these minoritorian dramas and identify cowards and culprits, you will find Jewish overrepresentation among the culprits who really force the minoritarian response or push minoritarianism through the institution. Definitely not "every single time". But way, way over the share--say 15% or so--of Jewish representation in management/control of American institutions.


    But the crux of my point wasn't even any of that ... it was exactly what i actually said:
    Blacks have almost no actual power in the US.

    Outside of a few black majority cities, they just don't control the levers of power. Blacks are at the fore generating "incidents" and demands this past year, but the people in institutional control agreeing, capitulating, "resetting", "reckoning", "resetting" ... Jews and "good white" gentiles.

    And outside of this year's tedious blackety, blackety stuff, the other minoritarian offensives:
    -- homosexuals,/homo-marriage
    -- LBGQWERTY
    -- women's entitlement to a fair share of whatever-men-do-that-makes-money-or-has-status-that-women-aren't-interested-in-or-not-good-at
    -- mentally ill trannies
    and the one that really matters
    -- immigration
    have basically zero to do with blacks. Pushed end-to-end by Jews and good-whites.

    This isn't a black-white race war. It's an ideological war amongst white people. Minoritarianism against white people, republican self-government, nations, normality, civilization itself.





    The crux of my comment is ... exactly what i said.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @vhrm, @S, @S

    the crux of your argument is right on but I agree with when he says:

    Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way – not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don’t mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can’t help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    I’d even extend “non-anti-semitic non-Jews” to mild anti-semites. e.g. even if one dislikes some aspects of jewish group behaviors or political or cultural influence, or thinks the holocaust has been twisted and weaponized for political gain,

    There’s a long distance from that to: “they’re colluding with each other to corrupt society to keep the goyim down and succeeding”.

    I’m not well versed in this stuff, but I’m sure it’s been pointed out that the “whites would be doing great if it weren’t for the Jews scheming and holding us down” is quite similar to ” blacks would be doing great if only the whites weren’t scheming and holding us down”.

    Afaik IQ distribution explains a lot of the gaps in performance /representation in both cases.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @vhrm

    Except that the differences between points on a curve are not like the distances between points on a flat line, and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, "we would have hired you if you were a minority." Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn't white noticers who will die anyway, it's up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.

    Replies: @vhrm

  263. @Neuday
    @Jack D

    Jack, are we to pretend the Frankfurt School didn't exist? Emmanuel Cellar? Gramsci? Marcuse? The Federal Reserve, Rothschilds and Goldman-Sachs? Second wave Feminists? The Authoritarian Personality? Are we to pretend that what the Jews have done here didn't have trial runs in Germany and Russia?

    You say we should tone down the Jew stuff so we don't turn off those who might be sympathetic to our views, but my people aren't as prone to sophistry as other groups and prefer the plain truth, and the truth is that a group of people came to our country, used our high-trust mores against us, and proceeded to loot and destroy a great country, our country. That's the truth, and as America crashes and burns it's important for everyone to know why, how, and who, and more and more people are catching on. Can you imagine your plight if your people didn't have control of all our institutions? I do understand your concern; if I were a successful Jew I'd be concerned too. It's become all too obvious.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @BenKenobi

    Yes, those high trust naive altruistic moral white people who conquered half the planet and who bought people to work for them for free in chains and when that didn’t work kept them as 2nd class citizens and sold opium to the Chinese and so on. It was all a paradise until the Jooish snakes entered the WASP Garden of Eden and sold them the forbidden fruit (on sale, 3 for 25 cents!) and put their slimy Jew hands all over the shiksa maidens as if they were Andrew Cuomo.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    Don't you hate it when the hired help gets uppity. They don't even know how stupid they are.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Yes, those high trust naive altruistic moral white people who conquered half the planet and who bought people to work for them for free in chains and when that didn’t work kept them as 2nd class citizens and sold opium to the Chinese and so on. It was all a paradise until the Jooish snakes entered the WASP Garden of Eden and sold them the forbidden fruit (on sale, 3 for 25 cents!) and put their slimy Jew hands all over the shiksa maidens as if they were Andrew Cuomo.
     

    Jack--as your online interlocutor might i suggest a day off? Have and adult beverage? Give your daughters a hug?

    White gentiles--whatever their characteristics--are just people, not saints. But neither are the saintly blacks, the ever suffering Jews, misunderstood Muslims, persecuted LBGQWERTYs, ... Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, immigrants, indigenous peoples ... None of them saints.

    Yep, white gentiles did all that. And Jews and Arabs and blacks and ... everyone else has done the same or similar when opportunity and circumstances arose.

    But HBD-wise: white-gentiles--really Western Hajnal line-ish, white gentiles--are a particularly high-effective empathy, high-altruism, high-trust group. And yes that "neighborliness" helped foster the high-trust-at-scale coherent nation state. (The Japanese also created high-trust-at-scale through some other psychological package i don't claim to understand. Empires of balkanized tribes--unfortunately what American is becoming under minoritarianism/immigrationism--were/are uncompetitive. )

    And i'll note that while white gentiles did all you say, out of their genetic and cultural package of high altruism we actually got some moral progress, like Britain abolishing the slave trade. Slavery--darn near a human universal--is actual oppression. (Not like these Jewish "the gentiles didn't treat us like we were, just one of boys!" oppressions--while the Jews were refusing to integrate and just be one of the boys. Nor like the even more ridiculous woke oppressions of today.) A real--you are not free and must labor for me--oppression. And the evil white gentiles suppressed it and it is now--excepting small pockets (amazingly not run by white gentiles)--gone.

    The white gentile HBD package creates nice nations--nicest in the world. But obviously we're quite capable of bashing each other and other people over the head. That makes us ... human.


    Humans are in competition for land, resources, sex, status, money, power ...
    all humans. That's "who we are"

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @anonymous

  264. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    Replies: @Neuday, @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did…

    Jeezus, JackD – time to step away from the keyboard, for a while, I think.

  265. @Jack D
    @vinteuil

    There's a big difference between never mentioning Jews and blaming Jews for EVERYTHING.

    I think most people know by now that Goodwhites are composed of WASPs, Jews and Catholics (nowadays often combined in the same person). The pure Jewish component is fading fast because the next generation is either intermarried or non-existent because their mothers forgot to have babies. Increasingly people who are 100% Jewish are Orthodox and not Goodwhite at all.

    Religiously, the most salient things about Goodwhites is not that some of them are Jewish but that most of them are atheists. Egalitarianism has replaced their traditional god. Even the ones who purport to observe any sort of traditional religion (increasingly few since people of mixed background don't know whether they should go to church or synagogue or both) observe some watered down perverted version of it with female "Rabbis" and gay ministers and so on. In any case, if say 10% to 20% of Goodwhites are fully or partly Jewish, what is the point in talking about the Jewish segment all the time as if 100% of Goodwhites were Jewish? Isn't it sufficient to say "Goodwhites" instead of "Jews and Goodwhites" , especially in cases like Smith where it's not evident that Jews played any meaningful part in the incident?

    Replies: @vinteuil

    There’s a big difference between never mentioning Jews and blaming Jews for EVERYTHING.

    Totally agreed. There’s a lot of space between, e.g., you & Ron Unz.

    Steve Sailer is a little closer to you, on that spectrum, while Another Dad is a little closer to Ron Unz.

  266. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    No, that's not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did - he couldn't leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik). Hitler could have been remembered as the man who stood in opposition to the murderous Stalin but instead he will be remembered forever as a genocider. Hitler has the distinction of being the only man who could make Stalin look good by comparison.

    You don't call it minoritarianism, you keep calling it Jewish Minoritarianism. You gain nothing by this. If you explained minoritarianism in non-racial terms as you have above, that takes nothing away from the power of your explanation.

    But calling it Jewish Minoritarianism greatly reduces your credibility and the appeal of your ideas.

    For credibility - we see the Smith fiasco and there are no Jews in sight anywhere, but you tell us - "who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes?"

    For appeal, well it goes without saying that the concept of Jewish Minoritarianism is not fit for sale to the general public in America today. I assume that even you, assuming your are not nuts (and I have no reason to believe that you are) don't go around publicly spouting off about Jewish Minoritarianism to your colleagues at work or write letters to the editor under your own name blaming all of our woes on Jewish Minoritarianism. If you have any hopes of having your analysis prevail in the broad marketplace of ideas, you have just undermined them with this one word. Maybe that's not right, maybe an American should be free to openly criticize Jews and their dastardly influence, but that's the reality. You might as well say the N-word and be done with it.

    But even here within the right wing circles of Unz, you are not satisfied with already excluding most Americans from your little club. No one but "Old Stock" Americans with anti-Semitic views can stay in your restricted hotel. Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way - not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don't mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can't help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.

    Replies: @Neuday, @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism

    Bolshevism was largely Jewish; Hitler was correct in his characterization. Just because the golem they created became ‘less Jewish’ by biomass ratio doesn’t absolve the Jewish Bolsheviks for engineering it in the first place.

    (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had …

    Yes, if it makes you feel any better, Hitler’s Wehrmacht also killed many, many Red Army (and civilian) goyim—perhaps he was unimpressed with Slavic capitulation to Jewish revolutionary troublemaking.

    … and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik.)

    If you’re specifying the Jews of Europe, certainly they, or their descendants, were likely to become Bolsheviks, or Bolshevik sympathizers, given the established Jewish nature of Bolshevism—which was an existential threat to all of Europe. Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah. Minoritarian, revolutionary Jews miscalculated big time back then, got a population readjustment, and yet are pushing similar bullshit today. Plus ça change. Like you’ve (ironically) written before, “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.” It’s a vicious cycle of HBD.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah.
     
    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria. Until then, gtfoh - they are not remotely comparable.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  267. @vhrm
    @AnotherDad

    the crux of your argument is right on but I agree with @Jack D when he says:


    Instead of phrasing your ideas in the broadest, most appealing terms you have phrased them in the most exclusionary way – not only do you alienate all Jews (something that you clearly don’t mind) but you also unnecessarily alienate many non-antiSemitic non-Jews who would otherwise be sympathetic to your POV. But for some reason you can’t help yourself and keep chewing on the Jew thing.
     
    I'd even extend "non-anti-semitic non-Jews" to mild anti-semites. e.g. even if one dislikes some aspects of jewish group behaviors or political or cultural influence, or thinks the holocaust has been twisted and weaponized for political gain,

    There's a long distance from that to: "they're colluding with each other to corrupt society to keep the goyim down and succeeding".

    I'm not well versed in this stuff, but I'm sure it's been pointed out that the "whites would be doing great if it weren't for the Jews scheming and holding us down" is quite similar to " blacks would be doing great if only the whites weren't scheming and holding us down".

    Afaik IQ distribution explains a lot of the gaps in performance /representation in both cases.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Except that the differences between points on a curve are not like the distances between points on a flat line, and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, “we would have hired you if you were a minority.” Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn’t white noticers who will die anyway, it’s up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @J.Ross


    and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, “we would have hired you if you were a minority.”
     
    Sure, but afaik jews count as white for this purpose anyway.

    As to Asians, the observation's been made before: the asian-american woman is humanity's uber-shiksa (well, at least in the US). Chinese, Japanese and Korean ivy leaguers are probably the pre-eminent existential threat to (non-orthodox) US Jews :-)

    Also further speaking of parallel constructions:

    Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn’t white noticers who will die anyway, it’s up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.
     
    i don't disagree w/ that, but i'd say it makes as much or more sense if you swap "jews" and "whites". Looking at the US (and the world... and Steve's "most important graph", the UN population growth by continent over the course of the century)... it's not jews that i think are a threat.

    To me, both the claims of white anti-semitism (in the US) and of Jewish anti-whiteism (?) seem like relatively archaic concerns and strike me as no different than the "Emmet Till" and "redlining" things that the wokes are pushing.

    I'm not going to base my judgement of Jews in the US today on arguments about how many of them were or weren't in the leadership of the Bolsheviks 100 years ago.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross

  268. @Buffalo Joe
    @Dr. X

    Dr., Geneseo is, or was, considered to be a flagship college in the SUNY system. This is sad and what is sadder is that tenured professors who are harder to remove than a blood stain, are too afraid to say anything. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Geneseo is the de facto honors college, not the flagship, just the most selective. It’s a teaching institution with around 5,000 students. Binghamton is a shade less selective, but has an enrollment 3x as large and offers research degrees. To the extent there can be said to be a flagship, it’s Buffalo, which has the largest enrollment, offers research degrees, has a university medical center, law school, &c. (IIRC, neither Geneseo nor Binghamton have an engineering school).

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship. Thank you for your reply.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ScarletNumber

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Art Deco

    For an honors college, Geneseo has produced few distinguished alumni. The only two I recognize are Gregg Hughes and Chelsea Noble. Hughes was Opie from Opie & Anthony, while Noble played the girlfriend on the last few seasons of Growing Pains. She is now Mrs. Kirk Cameron.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Geneseo is not the most selective. I just did a quick google search. Binghamton & Stony Brook are higher, followed by Buffalo. Geneseo is the last. Look it up yourselves.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Binghamton has an engineering school:

    https://www.binghamton.edu/watson/

    It's won a diversity award.

  269. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    So it comes down to race again. Always race. Is it okay to be white? In this day and age in the Current Year? Is it really? Being permitted to remain white would denote that a white person is not only allowed to express satisfaction in their color, but also express pride, or satisfaction that they were born as a person of no color.
     
    I don't know, but this seems to be a specifically US type of lunacy. Nowhere else where white people live is this possible, from Brazil and Argentina to Russia.

    You'll have to deal with your suicidal trends by yourself.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    But it is a thing that whites are starting to deal with in South Africa, the UK, France, and most nations with a significant Sub-Saharan population. Funny how that works.

    “Nowhere else where white people live is this possible, from Brazil and Argentina to Russia.”

    Russia specifically is basically a white nation. They don’t have a significant Sub-Saharan population. Neither does Argentina either, or at least yet. Brazil is starting to emphasize diversity, equity, etc in their government as well. So give Brazil a couple decades and return to the issue to see where on the spectrum they’re at on this issue.

  270. @Wizard of Oz
    Part 2 (as to Ron's Bugs & Suggestions thread)


    Also, if you were disposed to open up more H-bd discussions, I have another one prompted by learning that Shakespeare’s male servants would have been entitled to 8 pints of eer a day, females to 6. Apparently it was well understood that beer was much safer to drink than water even though it was not known why.

    I recall the plausible suggestion that the inflicting of capital punishment for many crimes would have materially reduced a community’s genetic propensity to commit antisocial acts. What about beer drinking among the middle classes and servants in respectable households? Spirits might have promoted Hogarth Ian excess but the beer drinkers might have been habitually benign and easy going with favourable effects on social relations. How might natural selection have operated in such hypothesised circustances+?

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @Billy Corr

    Not just for the antiseptic properties. Mrs Beeton was most insistent that well-bred young mothers chug a quart of beer every day to promote lactation

    .. as stimulants are inadmissible, if not positively injurious, the substitute required is to be found in malt liquor. To the lady accustomed to her Madeira and sherry, this may appear a very vulgar potation for a delicate young mother to take instead of the more subtle and condensed elegance of wine; but as we are writing from experience

    As the best tonic, then, and the most efficacious indirect stimulant that a mother can take at such times, there is no potation equal to porter and stout, or, what is better still, an equal part of porter and stout.

    The quantity to be taken must depend upon the natural strength of the mother, the age and demand made by the infant on the parent, and other causes; but the amount should vary from one to two pints a day, never taking less than half a pint at a time, which should be repeated three or four times a day.

    The stout implicated seems to have been an Imperial Russian style (14°-24° proof), as she notes that the relatively weak-ass porter is there to bring down the intoxicating hazard of such a crude and unladylike gargle.

    The missus had her first in the fittingly dilapidated Victorian Infirmary in our town (susequently demolished due to excess mortality. The story was that some sort of basically incurable hospital strep, and bonus anthrax was incorporated in the plaster, made up of the usual lime, sand and masses of cowhair from the then nearby slaughterhouses).

    Of course the first thing she wanted after finding her voice was a few tinnies of Mackeson and a big old fish and chip supper which she shared with the few other mums on her ward. Because that’s what her mother, and her mother’s mother etc.etc. had done. Sent me out for more fish&chips, didn’t last long. Bunch of gannets. Had the sense to stash the cans until lights-out and nursie went back to pilfering cheese rolls from the patients’ fridge down the corridor.

    Other kid was born at home in a giant bucket, with a couple of midwives around. Scared the shit out of the (American) students in the flat downstairs, in the wee small hours. A farmyard would have been safer than that ancient Dickensian shithole of a hospital. Her friend’s baby (in at the same time) died of whatever it was that had poxed the place for generations.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Expletive Deleted

    Wow, they say that the past is a different country, and England is of course a different country ("they" also say that the British and Americans are two countries separated by a common language) but England in the past is a REALLY different country. What with post war prosperity and modern communications, modern day Britain is not all that different from America except for the driving on the wrong side of the road thing (at least superficially - there are still some differences under the skin and inside our heads) but Jolly Olde England was a LOT different. I saw a few of the vestiges in my younger days - bankers in the City wearing their bowler hats, cars with only 3 wheels, etc. but nothing like what you describe. Wow.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

  271. @AnotherDad
    @Clyde



    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America.
     
    Agree 100%. No argument.

    As for my minoritarian buzz word ... i am putting a name to a particular ideology. It is not "leftism" as leftism was understood in say 1940. It's certainly not the Marxism that Marx wrote. I'm not a scholar on stuff like the Frankfurt School to sort through that nonsense.

    But this actual new ideology--it is new, as it's very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long--is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    And that ideology has come to dominance in the United States and--to a lesser extent--has spread its tentacles through the broader West.

    Steve keeps pitching the latest piece of craziness over the fence, and some commenters want to slice and dice specifics--peachy. But 90% of this is the same root--this minoritarian ideology. Call it whatever you will.

    If people can not understand it, name it, attack it, defeat it .... minoritarianism wins and the future is indeed quite bleak for the West.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @rebel yell

    Thanks for the reasonable reply.

  272. @Anonymous
    Btw, hair-obsessed Sailer once pointed out that a lot of older Irish men have nice heads of hair.


    https://sps.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/styles/card_square_270x270_medium_1x/public/2020-04/donald_mcneil_nyt_headshot_2018.jpg

    Irish or Scottish?

    https://www.houseofnames.com/mcneil-family-crest
     

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Damn. He does have nice hair.

  273. @Jack D
    @Neuday

    Yes, those high trust naive altruistic moral white people who conquered half the planet and who bought people to work for them for free in chains and when that didn't work kept them as 2nd class citizens and sold opium to the Chinese and so on. It was all a paradise until the Jooish snakes entered the WASP Garden of Eden and sold them the forbidden fruit (on sale, 3 for 25 cents!) and put their slimy Jew hands all over the shiksa maidens as if they were Andrew Cuomo.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AnotherDad

    Don’t you hate it when the hired help gets uppity. They don’t even know how stupid they are.

  274. I prefer the abridged version.

    I know journalists. We’re jackals. And we’ve made America what it is.

    If it had never happened, he’d be back on the job today – demonizing other white folks, chortling with particular emphasis at believing Christians from flyover country, delivering deeply-felt fuck Trumps to his twitter feed all through CPAC weekend – if only to pretend, once again, that Orange Man committed premeditated murder 500,000 times this past year. And now, because some saucy bitch smiled at him, having baited the trap – now he doesn’t get to do ANY of that.

    I may join the Cancelled Chorus lamenting the reprehensible Double Crossing of Donald McNeil, but make no mistake – one less Times reporter walking the Earth is no tragedy, and no loss.

  275. This is one big waste of time. Minoritarianism, Jews, Frankfurt school,women,trannies, blacks, boomers, zoomers,…over & over again.

    Simply, this is a malady which cannot last long, but it needs people to ridicule it and expose it. They are there (even among blacks); people are not as stupid and naive as you imply, just- more spine & less sophistry.

    Who will,actually, read Derrick Bell & his trash (let alone Adorno- only Fromm is highly readable)? Distill Sowell, add other common sense- and the entire superstructure will collapse.

  276. I read through McNeil’s long account in Medium, and the whole case really seems a sign of current insanity.

    Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying “naughty” words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged.

    This became a topic of discussion at McNeil’s field trip, and after asking about the details, he used the naughty N-word in his discussion. Two years later, this got him purged as one of the highest-profile journalists at the Times after a 45 year career.

    Presumably, if one of his Times persecutors had been a little too explicit in describing McNeil’s horrific transgression, he too would have purged as a consequence, in true Stalinesque fashion, with the resulting chain of purges eventually taking down much of the NYT’s top leadership.

    The whole situation reminds me of that funny scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian when the presiding judge at a public stoning for blasphemy carelessly mentions the exact nature of the offense, and naturally suffers the exact fate:

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, I know you’re interested in China. Here’s a book I highly recommend about 19th century China. It’s a biography of the last Empress. But it focuses on the modernization of China beginning about 1860, due to the Empress making the treaties with the not so evil Europeans that allowed international trade. The massive import taxes made China prosper according to author Jung Chang. Empress Dowager Cixi by Jung Chang

    Chang wrote the unflattering bio of Mao Mao The Unknown Story

    There’s lots of interesting information in the book. For instance; late 18th century China imported yams potatoes and corn. All are high nutrition easy to grow foods. Unlike rice low nutrition lengthy growing and harvesting process. But this of course led to an unsustainable population explosion. Which may have contributed to the Taiping rebellion civil war in S China.

    Book is a total contrast to the conventional wisdom that the Opium War and China’s opening to the rest of the world brought total ruin and disaster saved only by Mao and communism.

    Plus hundreds of books in the bibliography

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Billy Corr

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Ron Unz

    "Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying “naughty” words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged."

    I'm certain that you are aware that in today's hip-hop and rap music that's marketed to teens especially, oftentimes the N-word is to be found in copious amounts (among other favorite words that is to be found in such musical genres).

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ron Unz

    Been there, done that - Cancelling the Cancellers.

  277. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    it replaced the previous American assimilationist ideology because … ???
     
    Because:

    1. Once economic Marxism was shown to be a failure that led only to totalitarianism (while at the same time not fulfilling its promise of Red Plenty) , academics moved on to cultural Marxism.

    2. Because the formerly respected WASP elites showed themselves to be unworthy of their leadership role - instead of leading us to victory against the Nazis, they led us into a quagmire in Vietnam. Instead of fulfilling the promises made in the post Civil War Amendments, they created or tolerated Jim Crow. While they were busy telling us how to behave, behind closed doors they were a bunch of drunks and adulterers and perverts. They were nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and not fit to be anybody's role model. (BTW, the #1 proponents of the “salute the flag and behave like a middle class WASP” ethos were the Jewish studio heads and scriptwriters of Hollywood - they were the ones who sold this message to the American public.)

    3. Because big business in America was ALWAYS in favor of cheap immigrant labor. (Slavery was the ULTIMATE in cheap labor but not the only form). 1920 to 1964 was the exceptional period in American history where white middle class interests were driving the agenda but the Civil Rights movement (which basically whites brought upon themselves by mistreating blacks more than necessary) was able to divide and conquer white America by cleaving it into pro- and anti-black factions. As someone who grew up in that period, you think of that as being the "normal" America but in fact that was an unusual period in American history, especially the 1945-1964 period of your childhood where much of the rest of the world lay in ruins - for example in the early 1950s the US produced 80% of the world's automobiles. That was never going to last.

    Now we are back to the historic norm where unions have little power, other countries have restored their industrial base and the price of labor has been driven down to a point that Big Business is comfortable paying and working class whites are in no position to argue for more and win.

    Replies: @Alden, @AnotherDad

    Professor Alden gives Jack D an A +++ in practical real economics.

  278. @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    Again with the Joos.
     
    Well, three times AD writes some variation on "Jews & good whites." If he just wrote "good whites" instead, would you have any quarrel with him?

    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Polistra

    Should the over-representation of Jews in lefty leadership positions never be mentioned?

    More influential than politics is MSM entertainment/propaganda. Look at the writing and producing credits of the most pernicious anti-white shows and they’re identifiably 80, 90, even 100% of the Tribe. Proportional representation is supposed to be all the rage nowadays, but hell will freeze over before that proportion is addressed. Easier just to call them all ‘white’ and knock off the few remaining goys for appearance’s sake.

  279. @Paperback Writer
    @SFG

    I agree with you 100%.

    This is the sort of Jewish (really, elite) criticism that I can engage with.


    It’s complicated.

     

    Yes.

    You don’t get any ‘diversity’ points because you’re already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you’re Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don’t want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

     

    In fact, this is a huge catalyst to Jewish success. You don't want to be the colleague or, worse yet, the subordinate to a Gentile who resents his Jewish boss. You'll get dumped on in all sorts of sneaky ways.

    However, if you’re born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there’s a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.
     
    The connections game is everything but it's even more subtle than you indicate. I know this will produce gales of mirth from the usual suspects here but Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.

    Jews will promote a black guy with a 100 IQ over a 125-IQ Jew. Jews in the financial industry adore Italians. (See Home Depot founding: 2 Jews and an Italian, not to mention Lew Ranieri, whose name escapes the resident Jew-haters here, because they're too stupid to know who he is).

    The Jewish connections game is the old WASP model: go to the right school, get the right background and you can skate. And yes, a big proportion of that crowd is Jewish (see under: Kushner). I understand the resentment. I feel it myself. But there's no conspiracy to take down Christian civilization.

    The worst group as far as promoting their own openly was Southerners. I say "was" because their day is over. Read the history of the NY Times. White Southerners used to be prominent there (back in Abe Rosenthal's days, which illustrates what I was saying above). They didn't bother covering up they promoted within the tribe. They boasted of it. No one chapped their asses about it.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Gary in Gramercy

    Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.

    Feel free to call it mirth, but we note merely that your propaganda is pathetic.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Polistra

    Ditto!

  280. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    No, that’s not what you are doing. You are doing the same thing that Hitler did – he couldn’t leave it at Bolshevism but had to keep calling it Jewish Bolshevism
     
    Bolshevism was largely Jewish; Hitler was correct in his characterization. Just because the golem they created became ‘less Jewish’ by biomass ratio doesn’t absolve the Jewish Bolsheviks for engineering it in the first place.

    (even though by the time he attacked the Soviet Union it was well on the way to losing whatever Jewish character it originally had …
     
    Yes, if it makes you feel any better, Hitler’s Wehrmacht also killed many, many Red Army (and civilian) goyim—perhaps he was unimpressed with Slavic capitulation to Jewish revolutionary troublemaking.

    … and even though most of the people he condemned to the gas chambers were in no way, shape or form Bolshevik.)
     
    If you’re specifying the Jews of Europe, certainly they, or their descendants, were likely to become Bolsheviks, or Bolshevik sympathizers, given the established Jewish nature of Bolshevism—which was an existential threat to all of Europe. Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah. Minoritarian, revolutionary Jews miscalculated big time back then, got a population readjustment, and yet are pushing similar bullshit today. Plus ça change. Like you’ve (ironically) written before, “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.” It’s a vicious cycle of HBD.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah.

    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria. Until then, gtfoh – they are not remotely comparable.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    Nobody's buying that story anymore, chief. Do the math.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D

    First, let me tip my hat as you flee to the rhetorical keep—I see you’ve abandoned the curtain wall of ‘it’s not Jewish Bolshevism, it’s not Jewish Minoritarinism’ —you’ve now retreated to ‘how dangerous are/were Jews really? Certainly not as bad as those Nazis!’


    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria.
     
    LOL. Hitler was smart enough not to wait: Does the Holodomor ring a bell? Revolutions have consequences; that includes Jewish revolutions.

    Until then, gtfoh – they are not remotely comparable.
     
    See my answer above. Hitler’s actions arguably prevented Western Europe from being de-kulak’d by a continuing Bolshevik revolution sustained by a continental host of millions of denizen Jews (and aided by Slavic useful idiots to the East). Tikkun Golem got slammed by Die Wilde Jagd. You mad?
  281. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    PS/

    I'm not bothering to respond to Dumb Daddy personally, but the idea that blacks have no real power, only that which they derive from Jews, is such a load of shit it boggles my mind that even delusional anti-Semites believe it. It's sad, really. It's the alt-right version of "get off the Democrat-run plantation" bullshit. Blacks run the damn plantation.

    The alt-right is made up of weirdos who think that blacks are subhumans who can't figure out power and learn how to gain it, and use it. Maybe because gaining power means building coalitions with people you hate, something they don't understand.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @AnotherDad

    I’m not sure you really understand what the alt-right is. I’m not 100% sure myself. But the “Democrat-run plantation” stuff is what the alt-right would call a cuck argument. I.e. the Democrats are the REAL racists! An ineffectual and idiotic argument which they’ve been ridiculing since they first became a thing. And I suppose some on the alt-right think of blacks as “sub-human”, but then so do a lot of neocon jews.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I feel like I'm back in the old Usenet News Groups world.

    Did. You. Read. What. I. Wrote?


    It’s the alt-right version of “get off the Democrat-run plantation” bullshit. Blacks run the damn plantation.
     
    I thought it was obvious from context that "get off the Democrat-run plantation" is NOT an alt-right trope, it was a left-Democrat trope. Further,

    I clearly indicated that the alt-right belief that blacks are too stupid to know power dynamics is THEIR version of the aforesaid plantation left-trope, as in the phrase, "It's the alt-right version".....

    I hope that's clear. If not, I give up.

  282. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    "[T]he Catholics must have great PR because they don't get blamed anymore....When and why did Catholics get exempted from being American nativist targets? When did the [Irish] Catholics become white?"

    November 22, 1963.


    P.S. You're right about AD: the Mali-coddling at Smith involved not a single Jew within miles of the Smith campus (and as my own quick check of the Smith board and kaganovitch's post confirms, maybe 3 of the college's 29 trustees are Jewish), yet somehow it's the fault of -- repeat after me, children -- "JEWISH MINORITARIANISM!!!"

    When your only tool is a crude hammer, everything looks like a (Jewish) nail...

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Paperback Writer

    the Mali-coddling at Smith

    “Mali-coddling” is an excellent formulation! Thanks.

    • Agree: Jack D
  283. Nobody cares about private union guys. Union jobs are vulnerable to economic forces such as overseas outsourcing and employer bankruptcy.

    Public union guys however, such as schoolteachers, are another matter. There’s nothing to push back against their unbridled demands.

    Government workers — unionized or not — retirees, contractors, and their financial dependents should be disenfranchised. Also, private sector types who sign-up for material, special interest, government benefits. Register your kid for school, surrender your household’s voter ID cards.

    Government money always comes with strings. Public workers should be “paid” by EBT. The taxpayer-friendly payment server should deny any form of political spending.

  284. @bjdubbs
    It's like he barfed every thought in his head onto the page and started every sentence with "I". The quality of NYT reporters must've gone up over the years becasue there's no way he would be hired today (although Cade Metz is evidence to the contrary). Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @William Badwhite

    Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.

    That’s what I thought, too. I was thinking there’s a fairly large set of commenters on this very site who could do a better job.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    That's part of the problem. In my interactions with journalists I have not generally found them to be the sharpest pencils in the drawer. Going back to McNeil's time, as he admits, they were always some species of Leftist drawn to journalism so that they could "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted", although as McNeil has shown, they were vertible Shakespeares next to today's generation of woke. Don't axe. The less ideological ones were working class guys who were drawn to journalism because it was less taxing work than being a cop. The top talent was drawn to Wall Street or to law or medicine or academia or anywhere but journalism.

    The internet has made it so that we don't have to listen to the ignorant blathering of guys like McNeil when we can choose to listen to the ignorant blathering of more talented people instead.

  285. @Paperback Writer
    @Neuday

    How did such a "high trust" society end up nearly slaughtering itself to death in the Civil War?

    PS - Gramsci wasn't Jewish - you must have read that on some low IQ Nazi site. His family were Sardinians of perhaps Albanian origin. Yes, I looked it up. My bullshit meter began ticking.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    He was probably thinking of the odious Adorno, who was. What’s your bullshit detector telling you now?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    That you're full of it, too.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  286. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah.
     
    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria. Until then, gtfoh - they are not remotely comparable.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nobody’s buying that story anymore, chief. Do the math.

  287. @Expletive Deleted
    @Wizard of Oz

    Not just for the antiseptic properties. Mrs Beeton was most insistent that well-bred young mothers chug a quart of beer every day to promote lactation


    .. as stimulants are inadmissible, if not positively injurious, the substitute required is to be found in malt liquor. To the lady accustomed to her Madeira and sherry, this may appear a very vulgar potation for a delicate young mother to take instead of the more subtle and condensed elegance of wine; but as we are writing from experience
    ...
    As the best tonic, then, and the most efficacious indirect stimulant that a mother can take at such times, there is no potation equal to porter and stout, or, what is better still, an equal part of porter and stout.
    ...
    The quantity to be taken must depend upon the natural strength of the mother, the age and demand made by the infant on the parent, and other causes; but the amount should vary from one to two pints a day, never taking less than half a pint at a time, which should be repeated three or four times a day.
     
    The stout implicated seems to have been an Imperial Russian style (14°-24° proof), as she notes that the relatively weak-ass porter is there to bring down the intoxicating hazard of such a crude and unladylike gargle.

    The missus had her first in the fittingly dilapidated Victorian Infirmary in our town (susequently demolished due to excess mortality. The story was that some sort of basically incurable hospital strep, and bonus anthrax was incorporated in the plaster, made up of the usual lime, sand and masses of cowhair from the then nearby slaughterhouses).

    Of course the first thing she wanted after finding her voice was a few tinnies of Mackeson and a big old fish and chip supper which she shared with the few other mums on her ward. Because that's what her mother, and her mother's mother etc.etc. had done. Sent me out for more fish&chips, didn't last long. Bunch of gannets. Had the sense to stash the cans until lights-out and nursie went back to pilfering cheese rolls from the patients' fridge down the corridor.

    Other kid was born at home in a giant bucket, with a couple of midwives around. Scared the shit out of the (American) students in the flat downstairs, in the wee small hours. A farmyard would have been safer than that ancient Dickensian shithole of a hospital. Her friend's baby (in at the same time) died of whatever it was that had poxed the place for generations.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Wow, they say that the past is a different country, and England is of course a different country (“they” also say that the British and Americans are two countries separated by a common language) but England in the past is a REALLY different country. What with post war prosperity and modern communications, modern day Britain is not all that different from America except for the driving on the wrong side of the road thing (at least superficially – there are still some differences under the skin and inside our heads) but Jolly Olde England was a LOT different. I saw a few of the vestiges in my younger days – bankers in the City wearing their bowler hats, cars with only 3 wheels, etc. but nothing like what you describe. Wow.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Jack D

    Wife's father wore a bowler and toted a tightly-wrapped black cane-handled brolly as a matter of course until his dying day (in a bunker by the 17th hole at St George's). Had them in the Rover as a matter of course, when chasing patent-busting villains like "Sir" Jimmy Goldsmith across the rooftops of Sarf Lundun with a smudge in tow.
    Company director/accountant for Big Pharma, and other stuff like Big Tobacco, Big Paper and Big Paint. Didn't have to, always had the driver of the Rover to do the Minder stuff. Not his style, leaving the young lad to face it. 'Mind the motor, lad, and give me a leg up this drainpipe'. Hadn't spent months chasing Rommel round in the sand for nothing. Not a particularly violent man, by the standards of his time. But you would not want to cross him.

  288. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @bjdubbs


    Your average blogger could do a better job of telling this story.

     

    That's what I thought, too. I was thinking there's a fairly large set of commenters on this very site who could do a better job.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That’s part of the problem. In my interactions with journalists I have not generally found them to be the sharpest pencils in the drawer. Going back to McNeil’s time, as he admits, they were always some species of Leftist drawn to journalism so that they could “afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted”, although as McNeil has shown, they were vertible Shakespeares next to today’s generation of woke. Don’t axe. The less ideological ones were working class guys who were drawn to journalism because it was less taxing work than being a cop. The top talent was drawn to Wall Street or to law or medicine or academia or anywhere but journalism.

    The internet has made it so that we don’t have to listen to the ignorant blathering of guys like McNeil when we can choose to listen to the ignorant blathering of more talented people instead.

  289. An interesting track from a great album:

    Golem II: Bionic Vapour Boy

    (Golem)
    Self-organized, wrought from the clay
    (Golem)
    Our king by night, our slave by the day
    (Giga-giga-gilgamesh)

    Spirit lifting
    Master of shape-shifting
    Seamless drifting

    Shining spotlight
    Screaming mobs and stage fright
    You get it right

    Building a new zion
    “Golem II: The Bionic Vapour Boy”

    War-directing
    Mind-infecting
    Man-correcting

    Our instructions:
    His induction
    Big production

  290. @Verymuchalive
    @Ron Unz


    the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944
     
    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on "collaborators". Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings. In actuality, these attacks were not spontaneous, but mostly organised by French Communist cells. Those attacked and murdered were mostly political opponents, personal enemies or people they hated. Few were real "collaborators".

    Some historians claimed that this was merely part of a larger plan by the French Communist Party to effect a coup, but this was thwarted by allied troops controlling the borders. That's how I remember the story 30 years ago. It had been a taboo subject in France until the mid-1980s ( I think ) . Even then I could only locate a few sources.

    I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on “collaborators”. Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings…I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.

    Sure. I discussed the issue at considerable length in a couple of my long articles from 2018 and 2019:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    At the time, the officially-recognized number of victims by the Socialist French Minister of the Interior as reported to De Gaulle was 105,000, though unsurprisingly that was “disappeared” from the later history books. Vastly more momentous events of that period also “disappeared” from those same history books.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you very much. I will read the articles carefully. I first became aware of the matter in a book review in the Spectator ( UK ) in the 1980s by a respected British Historian. The book was in French, and so far as I know was never translated into English. I suspect that it was never republished. Disappeared: yes you're right.

    , @J.Ross
    @Ron Unz

    I vaguely remember seeing a documentary as a teen in which, after liberation, a victim of occupation torture is told that his informant had been identified and retribution could be effected, and he said no; the guy goes on to say that the brave men who celebrated liberation by publicly beating women and shaving their heads looked the same to him as the ones who had tripped over themselves to welcome occupation, that they were fundamentally joiners with a public morality. I have reviewed some films but haven't been able to find this segment. It's not in Night and Fog, in fact Night and Fog goes unapologetic and defends liberation attacks. Does this sound familiar to you?

  291. @AnotherDad
    @Clyde



    Time for the white non-Jews to take responsibility in America.
     
    Agree 100%. No argument.

    As for my minoritarian buzz word ... i am putting a name to a particular ideology. It is not "leftism" as leftism was understood in say 1940. It's certainly not the Marxism that Marx wrote. I'm not a scholar on stuff like the Frankfurt School to sort through that nonsense.

    But this actual new ideology--it is new, as it's very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long--is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    And that ideology has come to dominance in the United States and--to a lesser extent--has spread its tentacles through the broader West.

    Steve keeps pitching the latest piece of craziness over the fence, and some commenters want to slice and dice specifics--peachy. But 90% of this is the same root--this minoritarian ideology. Call it whatever you will.

    If people can not understand it, name it, attack it, defeat it .... minoritarianism wins and the future is indeed quite bleak for the West.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Clyde, @rebel yell

    But this actual new ideology–it is new, as it’s very unnatural, did not exist in the West and would not/could not exist in any society very long–is something like:

    minorities oppressed/virtuous (via that oppression);
    majorities oppressive/evil (via that oppression)

    This new ideology is the full realization of Christian belief.
    Roman belief: Honors to the strong
    Christian belief: Blessed are the meek
    Meek = helpless = innocent = good. Strong = responsible = guilty = evil.
    The Goodwhites are the result of Christians taking their religion seriously. This is where Abolitionists and Quaker pacifists came from.
    This “turn the other cheek,” “blessed (lucky!) are those who suffer” belief is obviously at odds with all daily reality, so the true believers reconcile themselves to being hypocrites and turning off their brains.
    Conservative Christians never took the compassion stuff all that seriously, but for liberal Christians compassion is the air they breathe.
    Democracy has allowed Christian sympathy to take over the public realm and destroy it. It does not matter that modern leftists like Antifa aren’t Christians and are full of hate. If anything the bitterness and hatreds of the Woke Left are just the next phase you can expect as Christian love runs its course and crashes back into reality.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @rebel yell

    A very good roundup. Keith Richards's favorite drink was Rebel Yell. Well, at least one of them. Keith fancied himself as a good ol' boy whenever he came here on a tour. And he liked to project this for fun and giggles

  292. @anon
    Actually, you’re kind of a dick. But let me explain:

    Sure, Boomersplaining worked so well for McNeil...

    I don’t know what your “AKShully” crap is supposed to be about in this case.

    Ok.
    lol.
    Try thinking instead of reacting. It's fun and useful!

    As commenters wrote above, the guy without an editor is like a defendant being his own lawyer.

    Yeah, so? We got that.

    He went into so much detail on every little thing in order to show that he was not PIC. In the eyes of the NY Times Inquisition, it was just digging a deeper hole.

    Yeah, so?

    Dude in his own eyes he was just explaining. Like you are doing now. Just explaining! "Why won't these kids listen to their elders when I tell them "Don't trust anyone over 30' doesn't literally mean that, but AKshully it means...blah...blah...blah..."

    But to 15 year old Princesses, he was not "just explaining" at all. Got that, yet?

    As I said, he tried to reason with these people from his 40 years of slowly getting a clue (in the meantime being almost as bad as one of those kids, I imagine). That 90 minutes of “conversation” was a BAD IDEA. Got my point yet?

    Lol. AKshully, your point was obvious. But what's that whooshing sound over your head?

    I run into young snowflakes, usually girls, say 20 to 25, who I really don’t think understand how to have a conversation at all about any opinions that they don’t already hold as true.

    Oh, so they're a lot like Boomers? Wow, how stressful that must be for you! Only for you!

    I usually mutter something like “idiots” and walk away…

    That's showing them!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “whoosh” is right. Whatever medication you’re on, I recommend taking exactly the opposite.

    – Dr. Newman, MD

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “whoosh” is right.

    Good that you're coming to terms with it.

    – Dr. Newman, MD

    https://img.cinemablend.com/cb/5/c/0/0/2/7/5c002749efe05a9cf937a9f58c9570a22ff991d38dec61407e2a74cf3550b157.jpg

    lol

  293. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Hitler’s and Himmler’s genocidal actions were ruthlessly proactive. Extreme? Sure. As is Jewish minoritarian chutzpah.
     
    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria. Until then, gtfoh - they are not remotely comparable.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    First, let me tip my hat as you flee to the rhetorical keep—I see you’ve abandoned the curtain wall of ‘it’s not Jewish Bolshevism, it’s not Jewish Minoritarinism’ —you’ve now retreated to ‘how dangerous are/were Jews really? Certainly not as bad as those Nazis!’

    Let me know when the Jewish minoritarians warm up the crematoria.

    LOL. Hitler was smart enough not to wait: Does the Holodomor ring a bell? Revolutions have consequences; that includes Jewish revolutions.

    Until then, gtfoh – they are not remotely comparable.

    See my answer above. Hitler’s actions arguably prevented Western Europe from being de-kulak’d by a continuing Bolshevik revolution sustained by a continental host of millions of denizen Jews (and aided by Slavic useful idiots to the East). Tikkun Golem got slammed by Die Wilde Jagd. You mad?

  294. @Daniel H
    @wren

    Brennan talks like a fag.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @wren

    and his shit’s all fucked up.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Achmed E. Newman

    March 3rd!

    Just a day away!

    Just thinking about
    Tomorrow
    Clears away the cobwebs,
    And the sorrow
    'Til there's none!

    https://youtu.be/BdPmNM0IF7Y

  295. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Geneseo is the de facto honors college, not the flagship, just the most selective. It's a teaching institution with around 5,000 students. Binghamton is a shade less selective, but has an enrollment 3x as large and offers research degrees. To the extent there can be said to be a flagship, it's Buffalo, which has the largest enrollment, offers research degrees, has a university medical center, law school, &c. (IIRC, neither Geneseo nor Binghamton have an engineering school).

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ScarletNumber, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship. Thank you for your reply.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Buffalo Joe


    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship.
     
    Don't forget the football team, which plays at the FBS level (unlike Stony Brook).
    , @ScarletNumber
    @Buffalo Joe

    SUNY considers four schools to be co-equals

    • Albany
    • Binghamton
    • Buffalo
    • Stony Brook

  296. @Ron Unz

    One often overlooked aspect of this story is that McNeil is a veteran union activist who was on the team representing the workers in the upcoming negotiations with management over the next contract. So, management got to fire a long-time thorn in its side over labor issues in the name of Wokeness, perhaps sending a message to other veteran union leaders that maybe they shouldn’t try quite so hard to get on the Sulzbergers’ bad side because who knows what an inquisition might find out about something they said in the past.
     
    Yes, I've thought from the beginning that's probably what happened.

    If you read the histories of similar eras, including Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Cultural Revolution, the massacre of over 100,000 French conservatives in 1944, and other massive purges, you'll discover that a very substantial fraction of the victims seem to have fallen at the hands of their personal enemies or rivals, who used the opportunity for their own non-ideological purposes.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @RichardTaylor, @R.G. Camara, @Verymuchalive, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Among the most tragic victims during CR was Peng Dehuai, Commander of People’s Volunteer Army in Korea. Supposedly for his criticism of Mao after Great Leap Forward.

    But the real reason as many surmised, is Peng’s failure in Korea to protect Mao’s stud eldest son, Mao Anying, who was fluent in Russian and served with Soviet Army.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Anying

  297. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Daniel H

    and his shit's all fucked up.

    Replies: @wren

    March 3rd!

    Just a day away!

    Just thinking about
    Tomorrow
    Clears away the cobwebs,
    And the sorrow
    ‘Til there’s none!

  298. One aspect of the McNeil story that’s gone largely unremarked on here is that he was only making $300 a day for what he describes as working pretty hard (if obviously not working smart).

    He’d already been to Peru once; he stated clearly he didn’t feel the need to see Machu Picchu again. He attributes his taking the job as a favor to a friend, but I wonder. I got the feeling he really enjoyed being the Torchbearer of Truthiness for his little captive audience of youthful admirers on the first trip, and likely wanted to get that dopamine hit again.

    Pride goeth before a fall.

  299. @Daniel H
    @wren

    Brennan talks like a fag.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @wren

    Especially when he speaks in his beloved Arabic.

  300. @Ron Unz
    @Verymuchalive


    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on “collaborators”. Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings...I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.
     
    Sure. I discussed the issue at considerable length in a couple of my long articles from 2018 and 2019:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    At the time, the officially-recognized number of victims by the Socialist French Minister of the Interior as reported to De Gaulle was 105,000, though unsurprisingly that was "disappeared" from the later history books. Vastly more momentous events of that period also "disappeared" from those same history books.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @J.Ross

    Thank you very much. I will read the articles carefully. I first became aware of the matter in a book review in the Spectator ( UK ) in the 1980s by a respected British Historian. The book was in French, and so far as I know was never translated into English. I suspect that it was never republished. Disappeared: yes you’re right.

  301. @Ron Unz
    @Verymuchalive


    In the latter half of 1944 in Northern France, principally, there were mass attacks on “collaborators”. Indeed, hundreds were killed in street attacks and shootings...I would be grateful if you could cite up-to-date references for your claim. It certainly seems a much larger number of deaths than I was led to believe.
     
    Sure. I discussed the issue at considerable length in a couple of my long articles from 2018 and 2019:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    At the time, the officially-recognized number of victims by the Socialist French Minister of the Interior as reported to De Gaulle was 105,000, though unsurprisingly that was "disappeared" from the later history books. Vastly more momentous events of that period also "disappeared" from those same history books.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @J.Ross

    I vaguely remember seeing a documentary as a teen in which, after liberation, a victim of occupation torture is told that his informant had been identified and retribution could be effected, and he said no; the guy goes on to say that the brave men who celebrated liberation by publicly beating women and shaving their heads looked the same to him as the ones who had tripped over themselves to welcome occupation, that they were fundamentally joiners with a public morality. I have reviewed some films but haven’t been able to find this segment. It’s not in Night and Fog, in fact Night and Fog goes unapologetic and defends liberation attacks. Does this sound familiar to you?

  302. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    "whoosh" is right. Whatever medication you're on, I recommend taking exactly the opposite.

    - Dr. Newman, MD

    Replies: @anon

    “whoosh” is right.

    Good that you’re coming to terms with it.

    – Dr. Newman, MD

    lol

  303. @Ron Unz
    I read through McNeil's long account in Medium, and the whole case really seems a sign of current insanity.

    Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying "naughty" words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged.

    This became a topic of discussion at McNeil's field trip, and after asking about the details, he used the naughty N-word in his discussion. Two years later, this got him purged as one of the highest-profile journalists at the Times after a 45 year career.

    Presumably, if one of his Times persecutors had been a little too explicit in describing McNeil's horrific transgression, he too would have purged as a consequence, in true Stalinesque fashion, with the resulting chain of purges eventually taking down much of the NYT's top leadership.

    The whole situation reminds me of that funny scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian when the presiding judge at a public stoning for blasphemy carelessly mentions the exact nature of the offense, and naturally suffers the exact fate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

    Replies: @Alden, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Achmed E. Newman

    Ron, I know you’re interested in China. Here’s a book I highly recommend about 19th century China. It’s a biography of the last Empress. But it focuses on the modernization of China beginning about 1860, due to the Empress making the treaties with the not so evil Europeans that allowed international trade. The massive import taxes made China prosper according to author Jung Chang. Empress Dowager Cixi by Jung Chang

    Chang wrote the unflattering bio of Mao Mao The Unknown Story

    There’s lots of interesting information in the book. For instance; late 18th century China imported yams potatoes and corn. All are high nutrition easy to grow foods. Unlike rice low nutrition lengthy growing and harvesting process. But this of course led to an unsustainable population explosion. Which may have contributed to the Taiping rebellion civil war in S China.

    Book is a total contrast to the conventional wisdom that the Opium War and China’s opening to the rest of the world brought total ruin and disaster saved only by Mao and communism.

    Plus hundreds of books in the bibliography

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Alden

    There’s lots of interesting information in the book. For instance; late 18th century China imported yams potatoes and corn. All are high nutrition easy to grow foods. Unlike rice low nutrition lengthy growing and harvesting process. But this of course led to an unsustainable population explosion. Which may have contributed to the Taiping rebellion civil war in S China.

    The Taipings deserve more discussion on Unz. On a few points,

    The founder Hong Xiuquan, started the rebellion after failing the imperial exam multiple times, so is an example of elite overglute.

    During Qing times minorities like Zhuang, Mongols were given affirmation action dibs on Imperial Exam. Hong was a Hakka, a subgroup of Han. Which means he got no dibs on the exam (like a blue collar white kid), but was at same time discriminated by Cantos for being a Hakka.

    The Taipings were composed of 3 southern Chinese ethnic groups, Hakka, Contos, and Zhuang. And in the end they were not crushed by the Manchus, but by another southern Chinese group, the Xiang Army, from Hunan, birthplace of Mao.

    Book is a total contrast to the conventional wisdom that the Opium War and China’s opening to the rest of the world brought total ruin and disaster saved only by Mao and communism.

    Straw-man. There is no such conventional wisdom.

    , @Billy Corr
    @Alden

    Please re-check the nutritional value of rice (high) with that of potatoes (less) and

    American corn / maize (low enough to be winter animal fodder in many countries.)

  304. @Ron Unz
    I read through McNeil's long account in Medium, and the whole case really seems a sign of current insanity.

    Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying "naughty" words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged.

    This became a topic of discussion at McNeil's field trip, and after asking about the details, he used the naughty N-word in his discussion. Two years later, this got him purged as one of the highest-profile journalists at the Times after a 45 year career.

    Presumably, if one of his Times persecutors had been a little too explicit in describing McNeil's horrific transgression, he too would have purged as a consequence, in true Stalinesque fashion, with the resulting chain of purges eventually taking down much of the NYT's top leadership.

    The whole situation reminds me of that funny scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian when the presiding judge at a public stoning for blasphemy carelessly mentions the exact nature of the offense, and naturally suffers the exact fate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

    Replies: @Alden, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Achmed E. Newman

    “Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying “naughty” words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged.”

    I’m certain that you are aware that in today’s hip-hop and rap music that’s marketed to teens especially, oftentimes the N-word is to be found in copious amounts (among other favorite words that is to be found in such musical genres).

  305. @Ron Unz
    I read through McNeil's long account in Medium, and the whole case really seems a sign of current insanity.

    Apparently, a few years earlier a couple of young teenage girls, one of them black, had been having fun saying "naughty" words to each other, and when a video surfaced showing one of them saying that naughty N-word, she was immediately purged.

    This became a topic of discussion at McNeil's field trip, and after asking about the details, he used the naughty N-word in his discussion. Two years later, this got him purged as one of the highest-profile journalists at the Times after a 45 year career.

    Presumably, if one of his Times persecutors had been a little too explicit in describing McNeil's horrific transgression, he too would have purged as a consequence, in true Stalinesque fashion, with the resulting chain of purges eventually taking down much of the NYT's top leadership.

    The whole situation reminds me of that funny scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian when the presiding judge at a public stoning for blasphemy carelessly mentions the exact nature of the offense, and naturally suffers the exact fate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

    Replies: @Alden, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Achmed E. Newman

    Been there, done that – Cancelling the Cancellers.

  306. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Again with the Joos. The President of Smith College is named Kathleen McCartney. She's a nice working class Irish Catholic girl. She's not from an elite background - she was the first in her family to attend college. Not everything that happens is Jooish inspired or even WASP elite inspired.

    Bret Stephens has a good analysis in the NY Times today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/opinion/smith-college-race-class.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Basically this is a clash between the Old Leftists (so called "liberals") and New Leftists (the so called "Woke") and the liberals are letting themselves get rolled and guilt tripped by the unqualified people they welcomed into their institutions. Liberals are fully prepared for (non-existent) attacks from the right such as when evil right-winger Trumpists try to take over the sociology dept. (which is happening never) but they get blindsided (over and over) and don't know how to respond to attacks coming from their left, especially when these attacks emanate from People of Color. Tom Wolfe called this Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970 and nothing has changed in 50 years.

    McCartney didn't rise high in liberal academia by standing up to Negroes. The kind of brave stand that you imagine she should have taken would have gotten her fired from her cushy job which she worked so hard to get into. The trustees would NOT have had her back. She probably knew as well as anyone that the Negress's complaint was phony but she had to go thru the motions to survive unscathed and indeed she did. She didn't want to be the first one who stopped clapping for blacks. Your advice to her sucks, frankly. It's very brave of you to offer it from your cloak of anonymity.

    And frankly, she didn't need to. The Wokists are going to destroy themselves in the end - zealots always do (but not before causing a lot of damage first). The unfairness treatment of the working class white Smith employees was not revealed here on Unz but in the pages of the NY Times - the backlash against wokism has already begun. The next time (OK, maybe 2 times from now) that a Negress comes forward with some bogus accusation at Smith, they are not going to go thru the whole struggle session thing again - the Woke have played their best card and it wasn't very good. (I love BTW that one of their demands was for separate dorms for blacks - I guess we've gone full circle now).

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ben tillman, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Ripple Earthdevil

    Separate dorms for blacks have been a thing for a long time. 40 years ago there was a Malcolm X House at the fancy New England liberal arts college I attended. Of course not all blacks chose to live there.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    If my college -- which has recently been under pressure to create separate housing for blacks -- starts soliciting funds from alumni for a new "dedicated" building suitable for the purpose -- I'll tell them I'll give only if they name it the "Malcolm the Tenth House."

    That's one way of getting off the call list. Or getting blackballed.

  307. Found McNeil’s Hollywood lookalike for the film version … too bad Royal Dano’s long gone.

  308. @Anon
    The whole war on whiteness is, in my opinion, an attempt by Millennials to fire the Baby Boomers and grab those plum jobs for themselves. Baby Boomers are wealthy in comparison to Millennials, and Millennials have a massive burden of debt. Millennials will not be able to dig themselves out from under that debt unless they can get the Boomers' better paying jobs.

    However, the elite employers, though happy to fire Boomers, intend to hire young minorities they're not going to pay much. For example, a lot of young black women don't realize they're not getting paid very well in comparison to those older white males. I don't think Millennials will get much financial benefit from their scheming, especially since they're not smart enough about labor relations to unionize and back those unions 1000%.

    Part of modern SJW philosophy is to demonize the working class as 'class enemies' who only support Republicans. It is important to the liberal Democratic business-owning elites who run the Democratic party nowadays to sever all of the party's traditional ties to the labor movement. This is a deliberate policy and not an accident. Foreign and minority labor is cheap, native white labor is more expensive. It was whites who created the unions and who were the engine behind the whole unionizing movement. Blacks and Hispanics weren't part of it, and they won't organize to protect their wages. They're too passive.

    Never overlook the economic motive when you're dealing with a business. If you want to know who's behind the war on whites, look closely at who's doing the firing. Make a list.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The whole war on whiteness is, in my opinion, an attempt by Millennials to fire the Baby Boomers and grab those plum jobs for themselves.

    The war on whiteness has been going on for over 100 years.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @ben tillman

    A century? That would be 1921. And what was the precise incident of that year that started the war to where we are now?

    Replies: @ben tillman

  309. @Neuday
    @Jack D

    Jack, are we to pretend the Frankfurt School didn't exist? Emmanuel Cellar? Gramsci? Marcuse? The Federal Reserve, Rothschilds and Goldman-Sachs? Second wave Feminists? The Authoritarian Personality? Are we to pretend that what the Jews have done here didn't have trial runs in Germany and Russia?

    You say we should tone down the Jew stuff so we don't turn off those who might be sympathetic to our views, but my people aren't as prone to sophistry as other groups and prefer the plain truth, and the truth is that a group of people came to our country, used our high-trust mores against us, and proceeded to loot and destroy a great country, our country. That's the truth, and as America crashes and burns it's important for everyone to know why, how, and who, and more and more people are catching on. Can you imagine your plight if your people didn't have control of all our institutions? I do understand your concern; if I were a successful Jew I'd be concerned too. It's become all too obvious.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @BenKenobi

    “Ye shall know the truthfulness of a comment by its relies.”
    – Unzitarian Proverb

    PS: Bareback Pillowbiter seems to be newest replicant on the scene.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  310. @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship. Thank you for your reply.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ScarletNumber

    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship.

    Don’t forget the football team, which plays at the FBS level (unlike Stony Brook).

  311. @J.Ross
    @vhrm

    Except that the differences between points on a curve are not like the distances between points on a flat line, and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, "we would have hired you if you were a minority." Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn't white noticers who will die anyway, it's up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.

    Replies: @vhrm

    and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, “we would have hired you if you were a minority.”

    Sure, but afaik jews count as white for this purpose anyway.

    As to Asians, the observation’s been made before: the asian-american woman is humanity’s uber-shiksa (well, at least in the US). Chinese, Japanese and Korean ivy leaguers are probably the pre-eminent existential threat to (non-orthodox) US Jews 🙂

    Also further speaking of parallel constructions:

    Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn’t white noticers who will die anyway, it’s up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.

    i don’t disagree w/ that, but i’d say it makes as much or more sense if you swap “jews” and “whites”. Looking at the US (and the world… and Steve’s “most important graph”, the UN population growth by continent over the course of the century)… it’s not jews that i think are a threat.

    To me, both the claims of white anti-semitism (in the US) and of Jewish anti-whiteism (?) seem like relatively archaic concerns and strike me as no different than the “Emmet Till” and “redlining” things that the wokes are pushing.

    I’m not going to base my judgement of Jews in the US today on arguments about how many of them were or weren’t in the leadership of the Bolsheviks 100 years ago.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @vhrm


    I’m not going to base my judgment of Jews in the US today on arguments about how many of them were or weren’t in the leadership of the Bolsheviks 100 years ago.
     
    So - their role in the media and the greater public sphere in times past you acknowledge - whereas today you think it does not matter. - A slight contradiction here, no?

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @J.Ross
    @vhrm

    >Jewish anti-whiteism is archaic
    Objectively impossible, new attestations every hour, and when they've killed us they'll have an annual holiday commemorating how we tried to murder their children but one sassy little girl found a spool of twine which proved to have more twine on it than originally expected and we all died because of the bonus twine, but the rest of this is reasonable. The Asians are in the position of the British coming across obscure tribes in obscure valleys, militantly feuding, each side eager to enlist their new overlords.

  312. @Jack D
    @ben tillman


    McCartney’s beliefs and actions are part of the extended phenotype of the organized Jewish community.
     
    Again with the invisible Jews. Now tell us about the luminiferous aether and phlostigen and other invisible forces.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Jack, that is the sort of response one gets from someone thoroughly defeated.

  313. @ben tillman
    @Anon


    The whole war on whiteness is, in my opinion, an attempt by Millennials to fire the Baby Boomers and grab those plum jobs for themselves.
     
    The war on whiteness has been going on for over 100 years.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    A century? That would be 1921. And what was the precise incident of that year that started the war to where we are now?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "More than 100 years" is not the same as "100 years".

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  314. @Paperback Writer
    @SFG

    I agree with you 100%.

    This is the sort of Jewish (really, elite) criticism that I can engage with.


    It’s complicated.

     

    Yes.

    You don’t get any ‘diversity’ points because you’re already overrepresented anywhere you would want to be. (Indeed, if you’re Jewish and not connected it can occasionally count against you because they don’t want whatever-it-is to be too Jewish!)

     

    In fact, this is a huge catalyst to Jewish success. You don't want to be the colleague or, worse yet, the subordinate to a Gentile who resents his Jewish boss. You'll get dumped on in all sorts of sneaky ways.

    However, if you’re born into the right family or can play the connections game it can help you a lot. Technically this is true of, say, being Irish, or Italian, or a southerner in the right industries or areas as well, but there’s a lot of powerful Jews in media, finance, academia, and software. So Jewish interests tend to be (quite) overrepresented.
     
    The connections game is everything but it's even more subtle than you indicate. I know this will produce gales of mirth from the usual suspects here but Jews do not promote other Jews on the basis of ethnicity. The opposite.

    Jews will promote a black guy with a 100 IQ over a 125-IQ Jew. Jews in the financial industry adore Italians. (See Home Depot founding: 2 Jews and an Italian, not to mention Lew Ranieri, whose name escapes the resident Jew-haters here, because they're too stupid to know who he is).

    The Jewish connections game is the old WASP model: go to the right school, get the right background and you can skate. And yes, a big proportion of that crowd is Jewish (see under: Kushner). I understand the resentment. I feel it myself. But there's no conspiracy to take down Christian civilization.

    The worst group as far as promoting their own openly was Southerners. I say "was" because their day is over. Read the history of the NY Times. White Southerners used to be prominent there (back in Abe Rosenthal's days, which illustrates what I was saying above). They didn't bother covering up they promoted within the tribe. They boasted of it. No one chapped their asses about it.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Gary in Gramercy

    Lewie Ranieri! Now that’s a blast from the past. In a book full of characters (Michael Lewis’s maiden full-length, Liar’s Poker — about Wall Street’s Big Swinging Dick culture in the 1980’s, which Lewis saw firsthand at Salomon Brothers, first in New York, then in London), Ranieri seemed the most real, the most earthy, yet the most fantastic, the most likely to have been a figment of Lewis’s imagination, maybe in tandem with Stephen Glass of The New Republic.

    But he was a real person, and by all accounts (not just that of Michael Lewis), knew mortgage markets like no one else, even though he had never graduated from college. (Back then, a lot of Salomon partners hadn’t, either. It wasn’t the ultra credential-conscious place Wall Street later became.)

    I can still visualize Lewis’s portrait of Ranieri en route to a client visit in Alaska (the state pension fund?). Ranieri’s secretary had gone to Brooks Brothers to buy him an overcoat — it gets cold in Alaska. She bought him a new pair of shoes, too. But somewhere between JFK and Anchorage, this Master of the Universe lost his shoes. No problem: he replaced them with big orange plastic stack boots, and wore those to the client meeting. Michael Lewis wrote: “It was the greatest act on Wall Street.” The Alaskans loved it. Everyone loved Lew Ranieri — except his partner, John Gutfreund.

  315. @Wizard of Oz
    Hello again Steve. I am just taking an efficient if lazy way to involve you in what I have just suggested to Ron in two posts on his Bugs and Suggestions thread. I'll send Part 1 immediately to avoid accidents:

    1. Ron, may I suggest you get the best writer on H-bd that you can cajole to write about the H-bd implicatiins of something which I have just come across that at least should attract the enthusiastic interest of Fred Reed even if it doesn’t end up allowing him to say “I told you so”.

    It came up in the middle of half an hour on the exercise bike watching Coast Australia where Neil Oliver had deputed one of his tame Australian professors to go to the tiny Carnac Island off the coast of Western Australia to consider the puzzle of its very venemous Tiger Snakes with which it was infested.

    The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive. So the question was whether, as in the Galapagos natural selection might have facilitated the changes. How long could they have been evolving in isolation was therefore critical.

    For a reason I can’t remember the founding population dating to separation from the mainland at the end of the last Ice Age was ruled out. Swimming to Carnac Island from another island or the mainland was ruled out by the strong currents and perhaps massive tides. The snake colony was dated, as a matter of probability, to the release of the snakes there about 1930 when the law changed to forbid a well known showman exhibiting his snakes.

    The conclusion favoured was that the possibilities for variation after birth (and maybe from conception I suppose) were built in to the snakes’ genome for instant adaptation to an environment.

    My proposed question would be whether anything similar can be regarded as a human version of the same thing.

    PS Steve. If not you maybe Peter Frost?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @anonymous coward, @Colin Wright

    ‘…The snakes were shown and described as 20 per cent longer and twice as heavy as mainland Tiger Snakes though not as aggressive…

    If they were released from some banned animal act, I don’t see much of a puzzle. They could easily have been selected for greater size and less aggression.

  316. @Alden
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, I know you’re interested in China. Here’s a book I highly recommend about 19th century China. It’s a biography of the last Empress. But it focuses on the modernization of China beginning about 1860, due to the Empress making the treaties with the not so evil Europeans that allowed international trade. The massive import taxes made China prosper according to author Jung Chang. Empress Dowager Cixi by Jung Chang

    Chang wrote the unflattering bio of Mao Mao The Unknown Story

    There’s lots of interesting information in the book. For instance; late 18th century China imported yams potatoes and corn. All are high nutrition easy to grow foods. Unlike rice low nutrition lengthy growing and harvesting process. But this of course led to an unsustainable population explosion. Which may have contributed to the Taiping rebellion civil war in S China.

    Book is a total contrast to the conventional wisdom that the Opium War and China’s opening to the rest of the world brought total ruin and disaster saved only by Mao and communism.

    Plus hundreds of books in the bibliography

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Billy Corr

    There’s lots of interesting information in the book. For instance; late 18th century China imported yams potatoes and corn. All are high nutrition easy to grow foods. Unlike rice low nutrition lengthy growing and harvesting process. But this of course led to an unsustainable population explosion. Which may have contributed to the Taiping rebellion civil war in S China.

    The Taipings deserve more discussion on Unz. On a few points,

    The founder Hong Xiuquan, started the rebellion after failing the imperial exam multiple times, so is an example of elite overglute.

    During Qing times minorities like Zhuang, Mongols were given affirmation action dibs on Imperial Exam. Hong was a Hakka, a subgroup of Han. Which means he got no dibs on the exam (like a blue collar white kid), but was at same time discriminated by Cantos for being a Hakka.

    The Taipings were composed of 3 southern Chinese ethnic groups, Hakka, Contos, and Zhuang. And in the end they were not crushed by the Manchus, but by another southern Chinese group, the Xiang Army, from Hunan, birthplace of Mao.

    Book is a total contrast to the conventional wisdom that the Opium War and China’s opening to the rest of the world brought total ruin and disaster saved only by Mao and communism.

    Straw-man. There is no such conventional wisdom.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  317. I have a question, or more accurately an observation. How come whenever Steve posts about blacks or some type of group, ultimately an ungodly (or unseemly) portion tends to steer the topic around to the Jews? No one has been totally innocent in this matter, but it does seem to be a consistent pattern.

    Is it that Jews are infinitely more interesting than blacks? Or…something else going on that steers the topic to them? Also in this case, McNeil generally speaking, doesn’t appear to be a known non-Gentile surname in particular.

    In this case, it would appear to be NYT + based in NY = automatically its about the Jews

    Just saying. And noticing

  318. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jack D

    Separate dorms for blacks have been a thing for a long time. 40 years ago there was a Malcolm X House at the fancy New England liberal arts college I attended. Of course not all blacks chose to live there.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    If my college — which has recently been under pressure to create separate housing for blacks — starts soliciting funds from alumni for a new “dedicated” building suitable for the purpose — I’ll tell them I’ll give only if they name it the “Malcolm the Tenth House.”

    That’s one way of getting off the call list. Or getting blackballed.

  319. @Reg Cæsar
    This hasn't been the year for Donalds, has it? Mr Sutherland had better be careful around the Reversing Falls.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8W0MF8Nvid8/VggZ24cfcDI/AAAAAAAANdk/11_9_3doOOU/s1600/BLOG%2B192.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Reg, thanks for that pic. I checked out the blog; interesting project.

    http://thelostvalley.blogspot.com/

  320. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    PS/

    I'm not bothering to respond to Dumb Daddy personally, but the idea that blacks have no real power, only that which they derive from Jews, is such a load of shit it boggles my mind that even delusional anti-Semites believe it. It's sad, really. It's the alt-right version of "get off the Democrat-run plantation" bullshit. Blacks run the damn plantation.

    The alt-right is made up of weirdos who think that blacks are subhumans who can't figure out power and learn how to gain it, and use it. Maybe because gaining power means building coalitions with people you hate, something they don't understand.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @AnotherDad

    Blacks run the damn plantation.

    The mind reels.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Keep reeling, dude. The momentum might joggle a few brain cells and spark the embers of original thought. As it is, your ideas are synthetic and predictable. Not really ideas, actually: more like ideation. As in paranoid.

  321. @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, I stand corrected. Geneseo is well regarded and my youngest daughter was accepted there. UB, not far from me, with Law, Engineering and Medical schools is the SUNY flagship. Thank you for your reply.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ScarletNumber

    SUNY considers four schools to be co-equals

    • Albany
    • Binghamton
    • Buffalo
    • Stony Brook

  322. @Dr. X
    Oh, the witch-hunting is just beginning.

    It's now the official doctrine of state colleges in New York to throw students out if they believe that "a man is a man, and a woman is a woman":

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/27/suny-geneseo-suspends-education-student-for-saying-a-man-is-a-man-a-woman-is-a-woman/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Abolish_public_education, @ScarletNumber

    “I want to take this opportunity to publicly restate my deep personal commitment to promoting social justice.”…wrote the university president in an email

    I don’t know why they get upset at being called SJW’s. The guy clearly considers himself to be one.

  323. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Geneseo is the de facto honors college, not the flagship, just the most selective. It's a teaching institution with around 5,000 students. Binghamton is a shade less selective, but has an enrollment 3x as large and offers research degrees. To the extent there can be said to be a flagship, it's Buffalo, which has the largest enrollment, offers research degrees, has a university medical center, law school, &c. (IIRC, neither Geneseo nor Binghamton have an engineering school).

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ScarletNumber, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    For an honors college, Geneseo has produced few distinguished alumni. The only two I recognize are Gregg Hughes and Chelsea Noble. Hughes was Opie from Opie & Anthony, while Noble played the girlfriend on the last few seasons of Growing Pains. She is now Mrs. Kirk Cameron.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ScarletNumber

    Pretty much all the state colleges started out as normal schools which were upgraded to teachers' colleges ca. 1941. It was during the Rockefeller era that they developed a wide array of programs. Geneseo was an ordinary state college in 1966. The status it has now was built incrementally over 40+ years. And, of course, it's a school of modest dimensions. Have a gander at the distinguished alumni of Vasser, a highly selective school that's been around for generations. I recognize five names (Grace Hopper, Mildred McAfee, Ruth Benedict, Edna St. Vincent Millay, and Elizabeth Bentley), one of whom is notorious rather than famous.


    http://vcencyclopedia.vassar.edu/alumni/index.html

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  324. @J.Ross
    @Clyde

    White gentiles taking responsibility looks like and inseparably is the rejection of Jewish fraud gurus, Jewish poisonous ideas, Jewish media products and channels, and the normality of Jewish extremism, and is militantly guarded against by the full force of the United States Government augmented by extragovernmental organizations, extralegal pressures, and white gentiles' own personal devotion to the twentieth century Jewish American vision, which is not thought of as its own thing, but as our default national ideology.

    What is this braindead argument that Jews cannot have any influence because there are very few of them? If the Jews had the numbers they wouldn't need to bother with influence.
    >but but but this one guy, who carries water for the SPLC, is one hundred per cent goy
    Then I judge him by his behavior as the evidence of the content of his character, and his meaningless blood will not save him. And the full-blown, in-every-sense Jew who loves America I count as an American. Gosh this stuff is so super complicated you really need the secret decoder ring.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Ridiculous paranoia from you and a legitimate shrink will tell you this. What you have posted is just a fancy way of saying that non-Jewish whites in the US have no agency and are idiots.
    Jews have influence in America. Their numbers are much smaller in Europe. How do they also control European whites and what goes on in Europe? What goes on in The UK?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Clyde

    Clickbait headline:

    THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK WILL ALLOW YOU TO AVOID JEW MIND CONTROL

    Click on link:

    Line the inside of your hat with tinfoil and the Jew mind control rays can't get thru.

    , @J.Ross
    @Clyde

    Instead of clinging to the outdated categories, which I explained pretty clearly, you would begin to make sense and to understand if you applied better categories, also already explained. We are concerned with ideology and not blood, it's just that blood (to a great extent, and bearing squeaky wheels in mind) predicts ideology.
    >you're crazy
    And you're calling people names online, the certification of rectitude. Also I have actually been certified sane by government psychiatrists, and I'm guessing you aren't (which is not to call you names, or to pretend to powers one doesn't have, such as diagnosis).
    >paranoid
    I know you didn't read it but please quote the paranoid line in what I wrote: was it the Martin Luther King quote?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Clyde

    , @Polistra
    @Clyde

    Let's paraphrase Meyer R, shall we?


    Give me control of the mass media and I care not who makes the laws.
     

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @ben tillman
    @Clyde


    Jews have influence in America. Their numbers are much smaller in Europe. How do they also control European whites and what goes on in Europe? What goes on in The UK?
     
    The same way as here. They shape opinion, morals, and behavior here, and the US shapes these things in Europe through indoctrination and military force (see Wesley Clark), although the Jewish community in Europe does plenty of it directly as well. For example, Jews are 0.2% of Sweden's population but have owned about 50% of the mass media through the relevant period.

    Ridiculous paranoia from you and a legitimate shrink will tell you this. What you have posted is just a fancy way of saying that non-Jewish whites in the US have no agency and are idiots.
     
    Saying "no agency" is correct; calling us "idiots" is . . . idiotic. The fact that people are not invincible does not mean they are idiots.

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  325. @vhrm
    @J.Ross


    and whites literally and legally and uniquely have formal restrictions, ie, “we would have hired you if you were a minority.”
     
    Sure, but afaik jews count as white for this purpose anyway.

    As to Asians, the observation's been made before: the asian-american woman is humanity's uber-shiksa (well, at least in the US). Chinese, Japanese and Korean ivy leaguers are probably the pre-eminent existential threat to (non-orthodox) US Jews :-)

    Also further speaking of parallel constructions:

    Instead of trying to make nonsense sound reasonable why do Jews not realize that the enemy isn’t white noticers who will die anyway, it’s up and coming Asians who never had any use for Jews, or the violent underclass of black society who hate them.
     
    i don't disagree w/ that, but i'd say it makes as much or more sense if you swap "jews" and "whites". Looking at the US (and the world... and Steve's "most important graph", the UN population growth by continent over the course of the century)... it's not jews that i think are a threat.

    To me, both the claims of white anti-semitism (in the US) and of Jewish anti-whiteism (?) seem like relatively archaic concerns and strike me as no different than the "Emmet Till" and "redlining" things that the wokes are pushing.

    I'm not going to base my judgement of Jews in the US today on arguments about how many of them were or weren't in the leadership of the Bolsheviks 100 years ago.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross

    I’m not going to base my judgment of Jews in the US today on arguments about how many of them were or weren’t in the leadership of the Bolsheviks 100 years ago.

    So – their role in the media and the greater public sphere in times past you acknowledge – whereas today you think it does not matter. – A slight contradiction here, no?

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    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Dieter Kief


    So – their role in the media and the greater public sphere in times past you acknowledge – whereas today you think it does not matter. – A slight contradiction here, no?
     
    i'm saying two things:
    1) i don't know enough about the Russian Revolution and the dynamics there to have a strong opinion about which people did what and why. I only mentioned that because it seems to be a point being brought up as proof of Jews being bad. (Though interestingly wikipedia says that there were more Jews among the more centrist Mensheviks than there were among the more militant Bolsheviks).

    2) My main claim is that whatever may have happened then, i don't think that in modern America there are a lot of Jews generally saying/thinking "hey fellow jews, let's make America better for the jews and worse for whites".

    Again to parallel claims of blacks against whites: 100 years ago the US still had racial segregation in the south. There was both legal discrimination and lots of overt social discrimination by whites against blacks. Even so we here (rightly imo) roll our eyes at the claims that BLM riots, the 8x higher murder rate and other criminality, and financial and intellectual performance gaps today are primarily due to white racism. And specifically we point out that IQ differences account for most of the gaps in financial, academic, and even (to a lesser extent) criminality measures.

    A lot about western society and the economy has changed in the past hundred years in relevant areas, so arguments based on who did what back then are of limited applicability.

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  326. @FPD72
    @ScarletNumber


    This is known as something, but my vocabulary is failing me.
     
    It’s called a Kafka Trap. The name comes from Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” in which the protagonist is enmeshed in a process designed to destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. It is an unfalsifiable form of argument that attempts to overcome an opponent by inducing a sense of guilt and using the opponent's denial of guilt as further evidence of guilt

    In this instance, the Kafka Trap takes the form, “The fact that you deny being a racist proves that you are a racist.” It’s obviously a logical fallacy; it’s a form of Begging the Question or Circular Reasoning.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman

    It’s called a Kafka Trap. The name comes from Franz Kafka’s “The Trial,” in which the protagonist is enmeshed in a process designed to destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. It is an unfalsifiable form of argument that attempts to overcome an opponent by inducing a sense of guilt and using the opponent’s denial of guilt as further evidence of guilt

    Watching all this, especially in the cases of elitists like McNeil or the guy that got “cancelled” from the Guardian yet still insists there’s no such thing as a Cancel Culture, I’m getting a better understanding of how it was that the defendants in Stalin’s show trials were so often willing and eager to confess to the most absurd allegations, if only they could somehow feel that made them still part of the team, one of the cool kids.

    That brings up another aspect of the Kafka comparison – in reading The Trial I got the strong sense that Kafka was implying Josef K could bring the persecution to an end at any time simply by refusing any longer to cooperate with it and just walking away. But since K desperately wanted above all else to have his name cleared by a system he deeply respects, he never could bring himself to do that.

    So it is and so it will continue to be for any target of the mob who, out of elitist ideology or careerism or simple cowardice desperately wants to be considered still part of the globalist technocratic system, even if only as a condemned convict, rather than walk away to join the ranks of the unwashed peasants/populists/deplorables/regular human beings.

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    @Flying Dutchman

    Great comment. Human nature is complex, and frequently prone to longing for self-destruction/annihilation.

    This is why it's no waste of time to study great literature and pay attention to individual historical figures.

  327. @Jack D
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    McNeil was (not so) secretly PROUD of being an asshole. Being a cynical, hard boiled asshole was once part of the job description for being a newspaper reporter, where you had to call up other cynical, hard boiled asshole cops or politicians or bureaucrats or generalissimos and somehow cajole some semblance of the truth out of them. And if the "Shaman" is doing cheap sleight of hand magic tricks that wouldn't pass muster at an 8 year old's birthday party or is mixing up his "native religion" with Catholicism and stuff that he saw on TV, you're not going to pretend not to notice just because he's a sacred Person of Color.

    You weren't going to be a cynical, hard boiled asshole with all of your story subjects and then be all sweetness and light with your colleagues and bosses - that's not how it works. If you offended your co-worker fweelings - tough shit. What sort of pussy admits that "you made them feel unsafe" because of words? Unsafe is when you can hear the bullets whistling past. And if this got you in trouble with your bosses, let them take it up with the shop steward. Being an asshole is not a violation of the collective bargaining agreement.

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    Evidently he wasn’t enough of a cynical, hard boiled asshole (or even simply enough of a journalist) to get the news that when a lynch mob is out to get you there’s only two options, to flee or to counterattack hard, but that any attempt at appeasement can never work and only encourages the mob.

    Yet neither at the time of the initial confrontation nor to this day is he fighting or fleeing, but still pathetically trying to appease them in the most naive soft-boiled way.

    That too is a lot like the Stalin show trial defendants – courageous, hard fighters against external enemies and in their normal internal rivalries, the most meek, timid, submissive wet mice when their system turned on them and accused them of treason.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Flying Dutchman


    the most meek, timid, submissive wet mice when their system turned on them and accused them of treason.
     
    Let's see what k