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From a Department of Justice press release:

As a condition of receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, Yale expressly agrees to comply with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a cornerstone civil-rights law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin in programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance.

The Department of Justice found Yale discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year. For the great majority of applicants, Asian Americans and whites have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials. Yale rejects scores of Asian American and white applicants each year based on their race, whom it otherwise would admit.

Although the Supreme Court has held that colleges receiving federal funds may consider applicants’ race in certain limited circumstances as one of a number of factors, the Department of Justice found Yale’s use of race is anything but limited. Yale uses race at multiple steps of its admissions process resulting in a multiplied effect of race on an applicant’s likelihood of admission, and Yale racially balances its classes.

The Department of Justice has demanded Yale agree not to use race or national origin in its upcoming 2020-2021 undergraduate admissions cycle, and, if Yale proposes to consider race or national origin in future admissions cycles, it must first submit to the Department of Justice a plan demonstrating its proposal is narrowly tailored as required by law, including by identifying a date for the end of race discrimination.

Basically, there is no way to let in many blacks and Latinos without massive racial thumbs on the scale in the admissions process.

With racial quotas in undergraduate admissions being over 50 years old, we are now seeing third-generation quota beneficiaries, with virtually no evidence that anything is going to change at any point in the future.

 
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  1. So is this a victory for Unz himself?

  2. Good news like this, would not happen in a Democrat Administration.

  3. Named after a slave trader, Yale is. Why hasn’t it been cancelled?

  4. Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U’s do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn’t. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it’s very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Jack D


    [I]t’s very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.
     
    But it’s easy enough to turn off the spigot of federal dollars.
    , @Justvisiting
    @Jack D

    If the Justice Department was serious they would place an injunction on federal funds of any form going to Yale--no federally insured student loans, no federal grants, etc--and force Yale to prove they were in compliance before the ban was lifted.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    What you mean "we" kemosabe. Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it's allowed.

    Personally, I'm perfectly fine with AA. In a multi-everything country, it's the default position. Each group gets its share of the goods. I'd just like it to be more open and honest.

    I'd also like to see the groups more clearly defined, if you know what I mean. And I know you do.

    Replies: @lysias, @Jane Plain

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    The best essay ever written on this site was by Unz himself, The Myth of American Meritocracy. Its not just polemic either. Presumably he will have some comment on this.

    Virtually everyone on here fully understands that it will likely be used to further swindle American white people of european descent from studying with the largely excellent faculty at the institutions their ancestors, in many cases, created. Largely to eductate ministers.

    , @Ano
    @Jack D

    One way to force Yale & Co to admit clever smart ordinary (non-elite, non upper-class) White Americans would be for the President to use armed National Guardsmen to escort them on to campus and stand watch over them, preventing abuse and intimidation.
    ...

    What am I saying?
    This is crazy talk.
    What President in history ever did this for American citizens who faced racial discrimination, bias, and race hatred?

    I'm sorry. Could somebody make me a nice cup of tea while I go and lie down. Thank you..

    , @anon
    @Jack D


    This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn’t. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it’s very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.
     
    It's not that hard to police. The Feds forced school integration, integration of all public facilities, and equal voting rights on the South. They sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, locked and loaded, to get the job done.
    I will cheer when they send armed troops to Yale to make them obey the law.
  5. Basically, there is no way to let in many blacks and Latinos without massive racial thumbs on the scale in the admissions process.

    Better not say that to Ron…..

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @syonredux

    Didn’t he help inspire the Asian discrimination lawsuit against Harvard? The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. Harvard won, but they have a bunch of pissed of Asian and white families that despise the place.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Lot

    , @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Unz doesn't deny that Latinos don't perform academically as well as whites/Asians. He simply points out that their crime rate isn't out of their proportion to the population.

    Replies: @syonredux

  6. The president of the Harvard Black Men’s Forum is Ethiopian, (Even the mixed raced guys stand out less due to having more Bantu features) or at least in 2019 he was. Broadly the guys in the orientation look like they come from poor backgrounds and have stuff like earring studs. Though it’s hard to know how many are post-grads or transfers (One guy has a Howard shirt) who are generally more credential-based imports to a university over more raw SAT undergrad entrants.

    But being from a poor background doesn’t mean you’re not smart. But none of them seem to be studying anything other than ‘politics’, ‘economics’ or ‘government’.

    But typing ‘Harvard black orientation’ into YouTube brings up a lot of interesting videos.

    I don’t know. People who always go on about how ‘hard’ academic success is always seem to be just dumb to me (Or come from a home or neighbourhood environment that makes it very hard to study) and never seem to study anything really complex. It’s just a little bit of extra work to get into the top end for anyone with a +1SD IQ. (Unless you’re going to school with a lot of Asians maybe)

    It seems to me that the unspoken trouble for black guys trying to be academic successes is other black guys being a really bad influence. That’s why I always laugh at all the love for Zlatan as a ‘role model’. (He seems to get away with things that Ronaldo or McGregor would be pilloried for) He isn’t a good role model for the guys back in Rosengard. He validates every bad attitude and cultural pose they cling to against the obviously superior Swedish culture. He’s just as tall as a tree and so excelled athletically to make millions. If he was a little bit clumsy he’d be in prison by now. He basically tells them ‘You are kings!’. It’s not healthy. Shame in their culture and a desire to change would be healthy. (Not necessarily for the Swedes, it’s only a negative to be gained from ‘integration’ of Balkan and Arab people)

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Altai

    Zlatan represents much that is wrong with contemporary Sweden. His autobiography is called “ You Can Take the Boy out of Rosengård, But You Can’t Take Rosengård Out of the Boy.” True there, true at Harvard.

  7. @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    [I]t’s very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    But it’s easy enough to turn off the spigot of federal dollars.

  8. According to Ron Unz, there’s massive discrimination against Non-Jewish White Gentiles and Asians by Ivy League institutions.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.[51] The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yep. If the current system was hurting Jews, we'd see never-ending media articles and lawsuits, plus massive political pressure, etc., etc., against AA.

    AA is allowed to discriminate against gentile Whites, not Jews. Give credit where credit is due, Jews fight back. To quote the Derb, Whites are pussies.

    , @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    discrimination against Non-Jewish White
     
    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about "anti-white racism"* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots ("You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want...").

    With Jews, it's often "Heads I win, tails you lose."

    They get in "Because oppressed religious minority" and they get in "Because 'reverse-discriminated' white majority."

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about "anti-Asian racism" at the Ivies isn't going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more "Asians," they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @JohnnyWalker123, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor

    , @Altai
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'd love to see this broken down by major.

  9. Reminder: CNN Contributor [and #Resistance spokeswoman] @AshaRangappa_ destroyed records of the civil rights violations

  10. Affirmative admissions admits started in private day and boarding schools in the 70s then went to Ivies. Many of their children and grand children did too in succeeding decades. The POC middle and upper classes have expanded dramatically in the past 50 years but the test scores (and the gap) remains more or less the same.

  11. Well, the DoJ can say what it wants (and I applaud them for it), but don’t be surprised when Yale and the rest of the Ivy League pull their own Andrew Jackson maneuver on this ruling.

  12. @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    If the Justice Department was serious they would place an injunction on federal funds of any form going to Yale–no federally insured student loans, no federal grants, etc–and force Yale to prove they were in compliance before the ban was lifted.

    • Agree: Lockean Proviso
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Justvisiting

    Agree. There is a culture war going on but only one side is fighting to win.

  13. If Biden wins the suit against Yale by the Justice Department will be dropped.

  14. @syonredux

    Basically, there is no way to let in many blacks and Latinos without massive racial thumbs on the scale in the admissions process.
     
    Better not say that to Ron.....

    Replies: @Kronos, @Jane Plain

    Didn’t he help inspire the Asian discrimination lawsuit against Harvard? The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. Harvard won, but they have a bunch of pissed of Asian and white families that despise the place.

    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    @Kronos

    Are the dirty dealings posted online? I'd like to read a summary of them.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Lot
    @Kronos

    “ The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. ”

    I didn’t follow everything, but I did read the many expert reports.

    The supposed smoking gun was that asian applicants were rated lower in personal/leadership qualities in alumni screening reports and evaluations of their extracurriculars.

    If you’re a SJW or Twinkie, sure that’s a big problem. But is it really controversial in iSteveland that Asians (and mestizos) have on average less personal charisma and “leadership qualities” than similar IQ whites and blacks?

  15. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league. They dont compete with any of the top ten departments remotely. Hell Santa Barbra is of more interest to any undergrad who wants to work in the valley. Some of these places , Washington have been so endowed with funding and equipment now its almost like the bigtimes in seattle were like how can I keep an eye on Greg and Nancy a few more years so they dont become homos or drug addicts. Age old parental concern.

    Plenty of excellent scholarship going on in dozens of other areas, but this is the software age.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league.
     
    I'll have to agree with this. Yale used to be the nation's #2 school after Harvard. These days Stanford is #2 or even #1 to those who want to major in STEM. Per Princeton Review Stanford has been the #1 dream school of both students and parents for almost a decade running.

    In the "head to head match up" of which school students chose to attend if they were accepted to both, Stanford solidly beats out all schools and is the one school coming closest to beating out Harvard:
    https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php

    Example:

    Stanford vs. Harvard: 44% to 56%
    Stanford vs. Yale: 58% to 42%
    Stanford vs. Princeton: 71% to 29%
    Stanford vs. MIT: 70% to 30%

    Yale vs. Harvard: 32% to 68%
    Yale vs. Princeton: 61% to 39%
    Yale vs. MIT: 34% to 66%

    MIT vs. Harvard: 37% to 63%
    MIT vs. Princeton: 58% to 42%

    Yale loses out to Harvard, MIT, Stanford. Princeton loses out all 4.

    HYPSM should be HSMYP.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Is there even a point to Ivy League schools offering CS and Engineering? Each year at least half of their graduating class go into Investment Banking or Management Consulting, while the other half probably go into politics, or on to law school or med school. Even Jeff Bezos who graduated from Princeton with a CS + EE degree ended up working in an investment bank on Wall Street, along with his wife who was an English major from Princeton. Lucky for us he decided early on he didn't want to waste his CS degree on IB. How many are seduced by the $ and ended up wasting their STEM degrees in IB and MC? Probably a lot.

    It's been said there is this thing called a "CS Vortex" at Stanford, where even those who have no interest in CS eventually get sucked into majoring/minoring in CS. At the Ivy League there is the IB Vortex and MC Vortex, all their top kids aim for either Wall Street Investment Banking or Management Consulting.

    Over 50% of Stanford kids graduate with a STEM degree each year, while the top majors at HYP are Social Sciences and Political Science. Saying that you have a CS or Engineering degree from Stanford or MIT gets you instant respect. Saying that you have such a degree from HYP (especially Yale) gets you no more (maybe less) respect than a similar degree from Cal or Michigan, or just a puzzled look, "they offer those majors?"

    Replies: @Anonymous

  16. @syonredux

    Basically, there is no way to let in many blacks and Latinos without massive racial thumbs on the scale in the admissions process.
     
    Better not say that to Ron.....

    Replies: @Kronos, @Jane Plain

    Unz doesn’t deny that Latinos don’t perform academically as well as whites/Asians. He simply points out that their crime rate isn’t out of their proportion to the population.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jane Plain


    Unz doesn’t deny that Latinos don’t perform academically as well as whites/Asians. He simply points out that their crime rate isn’t out of their proportion to the population.
     
    Dunno. I've had lots of conversations with Ron on this topic, and he seems to think that Mestizos/Amerinds are equal to Anglo-Whites in terms of potential IQ.
  17. @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    What you mean “we” kemosabe. Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it’s allowed.

    Personally, I’m perfectly fine with AA. In a multi-everything country, it’s the default position. Each group gets its share of the goods. I’d just like it to be more open and honest.

    I’d also like to see the groups more clearly defined, if you know what I mean. And I know you do.

    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @lysias
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    White Gentiles do not get a fair share. Poor white Gentiles barely get any share at all.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it’s allowed.

     

    The upper 20% do. The lower 80% don't.

    The lower 80% have to scramble and scheme just like you. We don't benefit from nepotism, because Dad didn't own his own business, or send us to Ivy. We went to State U, just like you.

    And some end up like this. Dustin "passed away" in a strongarm murder at the Short Hills Mall, when he was swarmed by four diverse and vibrant Unzers and shot.

    https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/app/obituary.aspx?n=dustin-joseph-friedland&pid=168599261&fhid=18236

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  18. I support anything that will improve black self-esteem.

    • LOL: Lockean Proviso
  19. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Ron Unz, there's massive discrimination against Non-Jewish White Gentiles and Asians by Ivy League institutions.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.[51] The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

     

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/f4-large.jpg

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Twinkie, @Altai

    Yep. If the current system was hurting Jews, we’d see never-ending media articles and lawsuits, plus massive political pressure, etc., etc., against AA.

    AA is allowed to discriminate against gentile Whites, not Jews. Give credit where credit is due, Jews fight back. To quote the Derb, Whites are pussies.

  20. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    The best essay ever written on this site was by Unz himself, The Myth of American Meritocracy. Its not just polemic either. Presumably he will have some comment on this.

    Virtually everyone on here fully understands that it will likely be used to further swindle American white people of european descent from studying with the largely excellent faculty at the institutions their ancestors, in many cases, created. Largely to eductate ministers.

  21. What’s depressing is that it’s not possible to object to discrimination against Whites without using Asians and Orientals as human shields. (This, BTW, is why they don’t trust us no matter how much conservatives wave the Ivy League around.)

    I’m with Ed Realist on this one: while Asians and Orientals have higher average IQs than Whites, there is more justification for demanding higher standards for them than when it comes to Whites.

    What’s more pertinent, medium term, is that whining about unequal access to the Ivy League is a handy distraction. You fight this, you’re not questioning the fact that it’s the only route to any kind of stability. Why do tech and FIRE companies only hire from these colleges? Why are those sectors increasingly the only route to basic security? Honestly, this just seems like trucon waffling. It’s fighting for the last seats on the lifeboats instead of pointing out that people from both within and without have bombed the ship and are actively preventing anyone from fixing it.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Jesse

    My son was just looking at the electrical engineering grad students at Cal Tech. He was laughing at the overwhelming predominance of Chen's and Chou's. One or two Anglos in a sea of Chinese.

    What do you think? Is it discrimination against non-Chinese, or is nobody else interested in EE grad school? My former-professor relative says white kids just want to get jobs after college, so they don't go to grad school. But to the Chinese, having a PhD is a huge status marker, so lots of them pursue one.

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Ron Unz, there's massive discrimination against Non-Jewish White Gentiles and Asians by Ivy League institutions.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.[51] The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

     

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/f4-large.jpg

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Twinkie, @Altai

    discrimination against Non-Jewish White

    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about “anti-white racism”* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots (“You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want…”).

    With Jews, it’s often “Heads I win, tails you lose.”

    They get in “Because oppressed religious minority” and they get in “Because ‘reverse-discriminated’ white majority.”

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    @Twinkie


    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.
     
    I don't know that much about education in the United States. It's a subject I have to learn a lot about. That said, I don't see that happening. Earlier in the year colleges even resisted not charging full tuition when they switched to online classes. From The New York Times back in May 1st:

    [Brown University] President Paxson didn’t have time to talk by phone this week. But she did respond by email when I asked what refunds would be coming to Brown undergraduates, given her invocation of value.

    The answer was this: Nothing. She wrote that a Brown degree retains its value and that students are still learning. And then came an assertion that could launch a thousand late-night dorm debates.

    “During this time of national crisis, no aspect of our daily lives are what anyone expected,” she wrote. “And none of us expects to be compensated for the various aspects of our lives that we all expected to have — travel, gatherings with families and friends, attending recreational events, and yes, on-campus education.”
     
    So, don't expect to be compensated by them either. Yes, I do believe some heavy resistance will be met if there's a push to reduce the amount of public money endowed to those colleges. Even if the blacks call for it.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Twinkie

    For the moment, it's a Jewish world and we just live in it. The question is will other less pussy groups than gentile Whites accept it going forward.

    Replies: @Gordo

    , @Svigor
    @Twinkie

    Hmmm, you seem more red-pilled than the last time I heard from you.


    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.
     
    I agree, but I'd start with making student debt dischargeable. It's a really simple step that is 1) nowhere near as radical as total de-funding 2) strikes people as eminently just and fair - why the fuck should colleges get special treatment that no one else gets, leading colleges to just piss away public money willy-nilly on money they don't have to worry about recouping, on bullshit like women's studies, black studies, and basketweaving degrees, all to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense as they discriminate openly against the biggest bloc of taxpayers, Whites 3) it isn't actually de-funding anything, just requiring financial responsibility. And it appeals to everyone (students, taxpayers, idealists) but the corrupt and the decadent; it has a strong sense of "nobody's taking anything from you, and nobody was forcing you to be a crook" about it.
  23. @Kronos
    @syonredux

    Didn’t he help inspire the Asian discrimination lawsuit against Harvard? The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. Harvard won, but they have a bunch of pissed of Asian and white families that despise the place.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Lot

    Are the dirty dealings posted online? I’d like to read a summary of them.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @North Carolina Resident

    I read most of the Judge’s decision when it first came out. Essentially Harvard knew what it was doing and any HR basic B would’ve told them it’s a no-no. But Harvard didn’t get sham-wowed by disparate impact by civil rights legislation because of (reasons.) The judge caved despite comprehending that Harvard was naughty and treated it like Comey with Hillary’s illegal email server. The burden of proof was often placed on the plaintiff, which is very odd in civil rights cases. It’s often the defense that pleads and begs to prove innocence. Hopefully, things will go a lot better with the Yale case.

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.165519/gov.uscourts.mad.165519.672.0_2.pdf

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to Ron Unz, there's massive discrimination against Non-Jewish White Gentiles and Asians by Ivy League institutions.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.[51] The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

     

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/f4-large.jpg

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Twinkie, @Altai

    I’d love to see this broken down by major.

  25. Do we really want more smart white kids corrupted by the likes of Yale?

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or the really smart white, and Asian, kids corrupt Yale. It turned around once.

    , @Rich
    @Reg Cæsar

    Excellent point. I've had several very close family members and family friends in Ivy League schools and most, not all, were corrupted. The females seem to be the most susceptible, rejecting whatever values their families instilled in them and turning against their own people. A couple of the males were tough kids with a sense of pride in their heritage and remain true to their family traditions. Both married somewhat leftist women who fit in well in their upper class neighborhoods, though.

    I don't know what the solution is, because I've seen kids go off to average rated schools and turn out just as twisted. The best I can offer is to steer them towards STEM or business school. Everything else is mostly propaganda.

  26. the Supreme Court has held ..

    I am so sick and tired of these appeals to the “authority” of those politically appointed, lifetime tenure protected, lawyer-justices.

    The constitutional minimum, for SCOTUS, is *one* guy. Are we supposed to believe that the opinion held by one (OK, five to nine), agenda-filled lawyers, sitting in a courthouse thousands of miles away from half the US population, is of higher authority than the values expressed by the government institutions of all fifty states, and the wishes of 320M Americans (99% of them non-lawyers)?

    It’s just ridiculous.

    Having said that, the private colleges should stop mooching tax dollars. Then they can admit as many genius blacks, or idiot whites, as they want.

    • Replies: @Dr. Dre
    @Abolish_public_education

    I'm a 1960s graduate of what used to be one of the Seven Sisters female colleges. My school went co-ed c. 1970, along with a boatload of other formerly single-sex private colleges. I have been involved with fund-raising for the college for forty years. What the real crux of this affirmative action situation is that the minorities the schools have worked so hard to admit in recent years prove to be crap alumni donors. This is the secret that no law suit by the Justice Dept will unearth. If you bring it up at a conference, say a landmark reunion planning session at the school, you will be greeted by silence. A smaller, almost clicheed example of the problem is how poorly these "pet" minorities tip as customers in restaurants -- something noticed by black servers who try to avoid having to wait on those tables! The schools obviously know this, so the whole admissions game is a real crap shoot, guided to a great extent by the development office. The minorities have to be balanced out by the Jared Kushner-type parents who understand the situation and are willing to pay to play. The Asians and Arabs get screwed by paying full-ride plus, so I'm not really counting them in this review.

    It's also sad that the Ivies and other prestigious schools are skimming off African-American minority talent from a very shallow pool. Kids who would receive the right kind of academic attention leading to later success at the HBCUs are now supposed to succeed at Yale. (In a way I'm glad that Kamala Harris is a Howard U. grad.)

    How's that working out? Just watch the videos included in this posting and see the festering resentment on both sides--of the kids who can't cope with the expectations and the other students who resent the heck out of being made to feel guilty about attending a school that they feel a family attachment to as offspring of alums from many generations' back. Those are the people who kept the places running, after all, and led to their high status--not necessarily because of great wealth either. Where do you think Ralph Lauren got the ideas for his empire of classic clothing? Yale fraternities and other clubs. Downplay the flashy. Legacy admission? Hell, yes. Better watch out if you don't have those folks, because quicker than you can say "boola boola Eli Yale" if a school tips a little too down-market, word will be out in a minute and the students you want and their FAMILIES will be looking elsewhere. Also, it used to matter that as an alum you could proudly sing "For God, For Country and For Yale!" That counts bigly;-) Draft avoidance used to be a big no-no.

    One last question. If the Asians of whatever type are so darned smart and superior to the white racial stock, then how come they didn't start similar institutions in their homelands? From what I read, China and India barely have tap water that can be consumed without becoming ill.

  27. Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    Agreed, but the public money is not near what it was percentage-wise compared to decades ago. You’ve got to turn off the US Feral Gov’t loan guarantees to banks that do student loans. This is also mostly gonna be taxpayer money anyway in the long run, as former students start defaulting in even greater numbers, but it’s an indirect subsidy to the U’s. End it, now!

    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Hence, my continual insistence that we use the non-derogatary term Oriental and the very-possibly-derogatory terms .Indian or TS-Indian (Tech Support) to distinguish the two very different groups. Do you want to be confused with a .Indian, Twinkie, or have your kids confused (on applications and so forth)?

    Oh, or Universities could just let students in based on merit or something … OK, OK, that’s crazy talk.

  28. AnotherDad quickie points:

    — In a free society, it would not be the government’s business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican … it’s their own damn business.

    — If we’re going to have battle, i’d rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters’ boot off my throat.

    — If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because “reasons” … why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    — If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it’s supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish–is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% “Hispanic” for “diversity” it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we’re playing these games, then get the census data and make ’em “look like America”–2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% “Hispanic”, 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too–let everyone get their share of the pie).

    — Ideally, instead of pissing over “who gets into Yale”, let’s eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    — Deflate the college bubble. End is “Yale or Jail” nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or “knowledge”. Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let’s give these parasites what they deserve … the shaft!

    • Replies: @Lot
    @AnotherDad

    Little odd that people who see through the absurdly bad Holocaust denial, 9-11 Truther, and hispanic crime and IQ articles nonetheless accept similar quality reasoning from the same author on supposed Jewish admission preferences at elite colleges.

    , @Goddard
    @AnotherDad

    Beautifully, beautifully put.

    , @Alice
    @AnotherDad

    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around! MIT has DIE officers approving research. Caltech has dropped standardized tests for admission. Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we've stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation. Biology profs are cancelled for saying male and female are real and unmutable. Jim Watson is anathema. Ronald Fisher anathema. Pay attention!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Alice
    @AnotherDad

    We cannot get from here to the place you want. That road is closed. The way there is to bash the Leftiats with their own cudgels according the New Rules they created until they cry "Uncle"! Then perhaps, they will decide in their copious wisdom that Free Association is better for both sides than them being wiped out. They will again decide that the Constitution is better than legislation by exec order. They may again decide that the 4th amendment is better. Or having police better than being strung up on lampposts by the security squads that replace cops.


    Then always and forever must learn the hard way. So make it hard for them.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    — Ideally, instead of pissing over “who gets into Yale”, let’s eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    — Deflate the college bubble. End is “Yale or Jail” nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or “knowledge”. Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let’s give these parasites what they deserve … the shaft!
     
    That's the ideal situation.

    Eliminate the "gate keeper" role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc. Maybe we should make an exception for the medical careers though (possibly engineers and scientists too).

    Also, rather than diversity of college admissions, let's have diversity in types of individuals who ascend into the elite. Let graduates of tier 2&3 universities into the elite. Let non-college grads into the elite. Let blue collar people into the elite. A truly representative national elite.

    The whole idea of sending kids off for 4 years to hang out with other kids (while occasionally cramming for a test) is asinine. It'd be better for them to stay at home, either helping out the family or working&saving. Then they get can study materials in their own way - online, books, Community colleges, internships. Once they get certified through a national exam, they can take their savings (or financial assistance from mom&dad) and buy a home.

    I'd still let really academic-minded students go to 4 year universities if they really want, but the overwhelming majority should just stay home and learn independently. I'm more sympathetic to grad students (especially PHDs) going to universities though.

    Our current system is totally inefficient. It's expensive. It splits up families. It provides a way for young people to spend years "partying." It puts many young people deeply into debt, when they can least afford it. It's politically and racially divisive.

    Maybe most important than all, I'm not sure if the current system even prepares young people for the corporate world. College students typically get up late. They spend 3 hours a day in class. They dress any way they want. They goof around and "party" a lot. Their parents (or govt loans) pay for everything. They typically ignore what they're learning for much of the term, cramming in everything (homework and study) at the last minute. How, in any way, does that prepare you for the corporate world?

    Other than medical and maybe science&engineering students, how are any of these people benefiting from the university environment? It seems like they'd be better off at home, under parental supervision and learning independently.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman

    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad, this is a PHENOMENAL post. The only, and I mean *ONLY*, criticism I have is that important people in Ivy League have been blinking SOS for years (*)
    I only have first hand experience w/Dartmouth, so take it for what it’s worth, but the former President has been BEGGING for veterans, and ideally Combat Veterans, for years. He basically wrote the Yellow Ribbon initiative (won’t bore you w details-it just says “even though Dartmouth is more than the GI Bill pays, we’ll write off the difference). I personally met with him (through a shared love of XC skiing) during the application process and he...made me feel very welcome. I was less...”aware”...then than I am now, so I didn’t fully understand that packing your school w/ combat vets is a Plausible Deniability friendly way to *at very least* get a school where students accept as a given that there aren’t 72 genders.
    *
    My experience is dated, so it may be a lagging indicator. I may well be the last of the Reasonable Admits, I don’t know if a 2020 version of me would have had the same experience. All I can say is that FOR SURE many Ivy Big Players all know what we know and agree with our conclusions but get overwhelmed

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    , @anon
    @AnotherDad

    I agree private universities should be able to admit whoever they damn well please -- if they stop accepting federal funds, give up their tax free and land grant status. Until then, they are still taxpayer funded and should be fair to all taxpayers by not giving racial preferences. Whites and Asians arguably pay far more taxes than blacks and Hispanics, and receive far less federal largess.

    I think the fairest way will be to admit strictly by racial quota in proportion to the general demographics, i.e. 61% non-Jewish white, 2% Jew, 13% black, 16% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native American, 1% Hawaiian. Let each demo group compete within group and admit strictly by academic merit -- GPA and test scores. Free our children from all the burden of extracurricular activities so they can once again enjoy their childhood.

    Another benefit of this quota is, Jews will immediately begin to correctly report their true number in the US, which we all know is far more than 2%. Even Henry Ford said way back in 1920 that Jews have a habit of under reporting their true numbers throughout history and in every country.

    The alternative is to make the Top Ten schools (Ivies + Stanford + MIT) 100% black. If it's really true that it's the schools that make them smart, then let's use their rich endowments to benefit as many blacks as possible. Consider it reparation.

  29. Anon[843] • Disclaimer says:

    [quote]Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.[/quote]

    That’s been happening for quite awhile now.

    I think Coronavirus will implode the four year university systems far more effectively than any defunding effort. Parents were already starting to question the actual value of college, and now why should they pay full freight for an online class at the university when community college is cheaper, also online these days, and frequently, a more serious academic environment if due only to less nutjob politics.

    Four year colleges just aren’t good places to grow up these days. That seems like a truer and more compelling argument to avoid McUniversity. This will eventually filter down to the “assorted mating” that Charles Murray has pointed out. It’ll just be two dumbaces with a bunch of debt, and I think they’ll realize that on some level too.

    But overall, this condition really just goes back to Griggs vs. Duke…and as always…the unceasing handwringing over how blacks are doing.

  30. @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    discrimination against Non-Jewish White
     
    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about "anti-white racism"* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots ("You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want...").

    With Jews, it's often "Heads I win, tails you lose."

    They get in "Because oppressed religious minority" and they get in "Because 'reverse-discriminated' white majority."

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about "anti-Asian racism" at the Ivies isn't going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more "Asians," they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @JohnnyWalker123, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    I don’t know that much about education in the United States. It’s a subject I have to learn a lot about. That said, I don’t see that happening. Earlier in the year colleges even resisted not charging full tuition when they switched to online classes. From The New York Times back in May 1st:

    [Brown University] President Paxson didn’t have time to talk by phone this week. But she did respond by email when I asked what refunds would be coming to Brown undergraduates, given her invocation of value.

    The answer was this: Nothing. She wrote that a Brown degree retains its value and that students are still learning. And then came an assertion that could launch a thousand late-night dorm debates.

    “During this time of national crisis, no aspect of our daily lives are what anyone expected,” she wrote. “And none of us expects to be compensated for the various aspects of our lives that we all expected to have — travel, gatherings with families and friends, attending recreational events, and yes, on-campus education.”

    So, don’t expect to be compensated by them either. Yes, I do believe some heavy resistance will be met if there’s a push to reduce the amount of public money endowed to those colleges. Even if the blacks call for it.

  31. @Reg Cæsar
    Do we really want more smart white kids corrupted by the likes of Yale?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Rich

    Or the really smart white, and Asian, kids corrupt Yale. It turned around once.

  32. @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    One way to force Yale & Co to admit clever smart ordinary (non-elite, non upper-class) White Americans would be for the President to use armed National Guardsmen to escort them on to campus and stand watch over them, preventing abuse and intimidation.

    What am I saying?
    This is crazy talk.
    What President in history ever did this for American citizens who faced racial discrimination, bias, and race hatred?

    I’m sorry. Could somebody make me a nice cup of tea while I go and lie down. Thank you..

  33. Sad the DOJ’s press release capitalizes Asian but not white. Must get their style book from the nyt.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    @Buffalo Joe


    Sad the DOJ’s press release capitalizes Asian but not white. Must get their style book from the nyt.
     
    That IS odd, because the DOJ's letter to Yale *does* capitalize White. ("...Asian American and White applicants..." https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1304591/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery)
  34. Doubt this happens under any other presidential candidate. Trump is literally the only president in 60 years to espouse policies to promote white culture. And yet most of the ninnies here and elsewhere go on about he didn’t do this, he didn’t do that, etc…

    People are in for a rude awakening in 4 months or 4 years when the other side takes over. Trump isn’t perfect but he delivers about 50% of what people here profess to want. That’s about 49% more than any other recent president.

  35. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    Little odd that people who see through the absurdly bad Holocaust denial, 9-11 Truther, and hispanic crime and IQ articles nonetheless accept similar quality reasoning from the same author on supposed Jewish admission preferences at elite colleges.

  36. With racial quotas in undergraduate admissions being over 50 years old, we are now seeing third-generation quota beneficiaries,

    AA supporters like to say that whites supposedly benefit disproportionately from being “legacy admissions.” But 50+ years of preferences means that plenty of blacks are getting both the AA and “legacy” preferences. And since they are ‘legacies’ only because their parents got racial preference in the first place, it’s sort of like a multi-generational, triple-helping of unfair advantage.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Hypnotoad666


    AA supporters like to say that whites supposedly benefit disproportionately from being “legacy admissions.” But 50+ years of preferences means that plenty of blacks are getting both the AA and “legacy” preferences. And since they are ‘legacies’ only because their parents got racial preference in the first place, it’s sort of like a multi-generational, triple-helping of unfair advantage.
     
    Meritocracy was fully implemented in the 1950s-1960s because Jews were being discriminated against. Now that they've become a large multigenerational cohort of elite graduates, their children will get alumni preferences. Now they want to pull up the ladder and end horrible, racist meritocracy to replace it with "equity," i.e. politically engineered outcomes- while naturally not ending alumni preference. Of course, for purposes of "equity" they'll be considered to be white and will have a shot at a much larger share of the pie than they would as Jewish applicants.
  37. @Kronos
    @syonredux

    Didn’t he help inspire the Asian discrimination lawsuit against Harvard? The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. Harvard won, but they have a bunch of pissed of Asian and white families that despise the place.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Lot

    “ The amount of dirty dealings found in discovery really was concerning. ”

    I didn’t follow everything, but I did read the many expert reports.

    The supposed smoking gun was that asian applicants were rated lower in personal/leadership qualities in alumni screening reports and evaluations of their extracurriculars.

    If you’re a SJW or Twinkie, sure that’s a big problem. But is it really controversial in iSteveland that Asians (and mestizos) have on average less personal charisma and “leadership qualities” than similar IQ whites and blacks?

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Disagree: GoRedWings!
  38. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    Beautifully, beautifully put.

  39. What happened to the Elihu Yale slave controversy? Funny how that went away.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Bill in Glendale

    Rebranding would be too risky for such a well-recognized signaling credential. "Oh, so you attended, um, Patrice Lumumba University at New Haven? Interesting."

  40. I guess if you’re an “oppressed” minority, you can only lead a meaningful life in America if you are admitted to Yale.

  41. @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    discrimination against Non-Jewish White
     
    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about "anti-white racism"* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots ("You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want...").

    With Jews, it's often "Heads I win, tails you lose."

    They get in "Because oppressed religious minority" and they get in "Because 'reverse-discriminated' white majority."

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about "anti-Asian racism" at the Ivies isn't going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more "Asians," they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @JohnnyWalker123, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor

    Good points.

    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Yes, I’ve noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they’re not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to “worker bee” roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn’t hear much about them. Not sure why, but it’s interesting.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Unfortunately, South Asians often inherit a skillset or cultural predisposition which lines up with some of the worst native elements who run our society. It's like an experienced salesman stumbling across a remote village of credulous peasants. Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @JohnnyWalker123


    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn’t hear much about them. Not sure why, but it’s interesting.

     

    I wonder about this as well.

    Could it be that South Asians are adept at reading and exploiting cultural cues having to do with racial hierarchies, and hence make much more natural SJWs than East Asians?

    A related issue that fascinates me is how no one ever asks S Asians about caste. Most educated Westerners at least know it exists, and yet its mention seems utterly taboo in Woke discourse.

    For example, is there a snowball's chance in Hades that anyone would ever ask Kamala Harris about her Indian family's caste?
    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @JohnnyWalker123

    East Asians, to their credit and detriment, have high savings rates. Steve has posted about this before, but Gentile Alums donate to The Alma Mater at *way* higher rates than East Asian Alums. Ivys are picking between a field of ppl with perfect SATs and terrific softs, they turn away plenty with perfect scores. At some point, “this person is unlikely to donate” turns into a factor

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Hmm, seems obvious to me. Language. You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors. Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Replies: @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's pretty obvious if you account for HBD. South Asians are Caucasoid whereas East Asians are Mongoloid. Few people among the West would be inspired by a short, baby-faced Asian leader unless he were riding on a pony and shooting arrows at them while building a pyramid of skulls. Look at the success of South Asian leaders like Jindal and Haley in districts without a large population of their compatriots compared to East Asian politicos who have to be ensconced in enclaves of their own.

    This also extends to the geopolitical sphere. South Asians will have more success there owing to looking less like eponymical Down syndrome babies.

    If East Asians were physically impressive while retaining relatively similar envelopes of personalities and behaviors they would dominate the globe. Unfortunately for them they are not and they are actually in the lower quartile.

  42. Off-topic:

    The left is grinding hard on their new conspiracy theory, that Trump (and company) are stealing the election via Post Office something something something. In case you haven’t started noticing this, you might want to. If Trump wins, we’ll be hearing about it for years.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @onetwothree

    >>The left is grinding hard on their new conspiracy theory, that Trump (and company) are stealing the election via Post Office something something something.<<

    Aha! I was wondering why my postal carriers recently have looked particularly Slavic. You can tell.

    So the Russians in their latest attempt to steal the election for Trump have infiltrated the Postal Service.

    I've also noticed those little portable electric samovars sitting in the back of the truck with the packages, even in the hot weather. Those sneaky Russians can drink hot tea in any weather!

    Damn, that Putin is clever! Better go long on the ruble...

  43. The big issue with colorblind meritocracy is that all these schools would turn 50% yellow. That might suck even harder than the current system.

    I don’t want our Ivies to turn into Chinatown.

  44. @Hypnotoad666

    With racial quotas in undergraduate admissions being over 50 years old, we are now seeing third-generation quota beneficiaries,
     
    AA supporters like to say that whites supposedly benefit disproportionately from being "legacy admissions." But 50+ years of preferences means that plenty of blacks are getting both the AA and "legacy" preferences. And since they are 'legacies' only because their parents got racial preference in the first place, it's sort of like a multi-generational, triple-helping of unfair advantage.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    AA supporters like to say that whites supposedly benefit disproportionately from being “legacy admissions.” But 50+ years of preferences means that plenty of blacks are getting both the AA and “legacy” preferences. And since they are ‘legacies’ only because their parents got racial preference in the first place, it’s sort of like a multi-generational, triple-helping of unfair advantage.

    Meritocracy was fully implemented in the 1950s-1960s because Jews were being discriminated against. Now that they’ve become a large multigenerational cohort of elite graduates, their children will get alumni preferences. Now they want to pull up the ladder and end horrible, racist meritocracy to replace it with “equity,” i.e. politically engineered outcomes- while naturally not ending alumni preference. Of course, for purposes of “equity” they’ll be considered to be white and will have a shot at a much larger share of the pie than they would as Jewish applicants.

  45. @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    discrimination against Non-Jewish White
     
    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about "anti-white racism"* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots ("You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want...").

    With Jews, it's often "Heads I win, tails you lose."

    They get in "Because oppressed religious minority" and they get in "Because 'reverse-discriminated' white majority."

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about "anti-Asian racism" at the Ivies isn't going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more "Asians," they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @JohnnyWalker123, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor

    For the moment, it’s a Jewish world and we just live in it. The question is will other less pussy groups than gentile Whites accept it going forward.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    For the moment, it’s a Jewish world and we just live in it. The question is will other less pussy groups than gentile Whites accept it going forward.
     
    They'll suck up and keep quiet until its time to take over.

    The dynamic will be slightly different as the new market dominant minorities will be visible.

  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, South Asians often inherit a skillset or cultural predisposition which lines up with some of the worst native elements who run our society. It’s like an experienced salesman stumbling across a remote village of credulous peasants. Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @J.Ross

    I actually don't think White Gentiles are buying what South Asians are selling. From my experience, most White Gentiles find West Asians (Greeks, Italians, Cubans, South Americans, Armenians, Subcons, Persians, Arabs, etc.) to be sleazy, greasy, and dishonest.

    If you want to understand how Whites and West Asians view one another, watch this clip from Scarface.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqLYfsVSy8

    West Asians view Whites as naive and gullible. Whites view West Asians as duplicitous conmen.

    Look at this picture of Manny Ribera. This is a pretty good example of how lots of West Asian men (such as NYC Italians, LA Armenians, and Miami Cubans) dress.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/44/b9/a444b99a51ce066c96d17d435a4f7afb.jpg

    To West Asians, he looks like a stylish ladies man. To Whites, he looks like a shady hustler.

    The Anglo-Germanic peasants are a bit credulous, but they're not totally naive. In their view, there's something "off" about West Asians.

    However, the village peasants no longer run anything. Instead, it's the Jewish moneylenders who are importing as many outsiders as possible to dilute the peasantry. If South Asians are impressing anyone with their credentials and English, it's the Jews.


    Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

     

    True. Though that's true of a large fraction of extremely successful people in today's America.

    In today's America, success is often a function of having lots of shiny credentials, naked ambition, and verbal facility. So that often brings a lot of the worst people into power.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @GU

  47. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around! MIT has DIE officers approving research. Caltech has dropped standardized tests for admission. Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we’ve stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation. Biology profs are cancelled for saying male and female are real and unmutable. Jim Watson is anathema. Ronald Fisher anathema. Pay attention!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alice


    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around!
     
    Agreed. I work in tech and we have plenty of young, vocal Wokies employed.
    Of course, you tend not to notice the non-vocal, sane people so it is hard to make a scientific assessment of the relative numbers...
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Alice


    Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we’ve stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation.
     
    Are you referring to the David Collum incident at Cornell?

    If so, you'll be happy to know he had enough backing at the highest levels to survive his cancelation.

    I concur that it is a mistake to think STEM is safe.

    Replies: @Alice

  48. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    We cannot get from here to the place you want. That road is closed. The way there is to bash the Leftiats with their own cudgels according the New Rules they created until they cry “Uncle”! Then perhaps, they will decide in their copious wisdom that Free Association is better for both sides than them being wiped out. They will again decide that the Constitution is better than legislation by exec order. They may again decide that the 4th amendment is better. Or having police better than being strung up on lampposts by the security squads that replace cops.

    Then always and forever must learn the hard way. So make it hard for them.

  49. eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    So why is a Yale degree valued (so as to get rid of its unjustified overvaluation)?

    In part because disparate impact jurisprudence makes any attempt to test for competence impossible. A test that measures anything will fail some races and pass others – illegal. The SAT is allowed to select for high IQ because the college institutions practice affirmative action and in effect do not fully follow the test, but follow it enough that a Yale degree is a stamp of high IQ unless some obvious factors are present.

    Second, the increasing power of central federal government in the USA. Very high level government positions are reserved for Harvard, Yale and Princeton grads. That is in part because the government has no way to judge if its people are good or are are doing a good job. In business if not one wants your product and you lose money and you go out of business you failed. In government if no one wants your product (postal service) you get more money, if you make disastrous decisions no consequences (Flint water, State Dept adventures). So the only yardstick for judging people is “credentials”.

    As government has taken over all decisions and power in US society, the credentials become more and more important. No one runs the Federal Reserve unless from Princeton, seat on the Supreme Court, Harvard Law School, even the elected presidency Harvard or Yale undergrad.

  50. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a problem here of the right-wing fighting “yesterday’s battle” instead of considering the realities of the current situation. Most institutions today frame their policies in terms of “diversity” and many universities even require explicit “diversity statements” as part of the selection process.

    So even if you create a law that bans affirmative action, they might just lean on these “diversity statements” – which in effect require someone to take concrete action to discriminate, as opposed to doing the direct discrimination themselves as an institution.

    My point is that right-wingers could hypothetically win the battle over affirmative action policies, and then lose the war by not considering the way in which institutions are reframing the conflict to their own benefit.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon

    This is very astute. I think it's exactly the way things are going.

    , @Jack D
    @anon

    As I point out in an earlier comment, the people of California banned AA in state universities by referendum many years ago and this was but a mere speedbump for university administrators - they found other ways to take into account "non-racial" factors such as being from "struggling" school districts and expressing a preference for fried chicken and watermelon (OK I made that one up) which serve as proxy factors for minority status and so were able to keep taking AA admits without calling them AA admits.

    The only way to really get rid of AA is to use a mandatory admission by test system as required by state law in the NYC magnet schools (naturally De Blasio wants to get rid of this). In NY, these schools are now 75% Asian and hardly any blacks so that's the downside of that.

  51. Why this silly dance? Just pull the taxpayer funding then they can admit who they want.

  52. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    — Ideally, instead of pissing over “who gets into Yale”, let’s eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    — Deflate the college bubble. End is “Yale or Jail” nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or “knowledge”. Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let’s give these parasites what they deserve … the shaft!

    That’s the ideal situation.

    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc. Maybe we should make an exception for the medical careers though (possibly engineers and scientists too).

    Also, rather than diversity of college admissions, let’s have diversity in types of individuals who ascend into the elite. Let graduates of tier 2&3 universities into the elite. Let non-college grads into the elite. Let blue collar people into the elite. A truly representative national elite.

    The whole idea of sending kids off for 4 years to hang out with other kids (while occasionally cramming for a test) is asinine. It’d be better for them to stay at home, either helping out the family or working&saving. Then they get can study materials in their own way – online, books, Community colleges, internships. Once they get certified through a national exam, they can take their savings (or financial assistance from mom&dad) and buy a home.

    I’d still let really academic-minded students go to 4 year universities if they really want, but the overwhelming majority should just stay home and learn independently. I’m more sympathetic to grad students (especially PHDs) going to universities though.

    Our current system is totally inefficient. It’s expensive. It splits up families. It provides a way for young people to spend years “partying.” It puts many young people deeply into debt, when they can least afford it. It’s politically and racially divisive.

    Maybe most important than all, I’m not sure if the current system even prepares young people for the corporate world. College students typically get up late. They spend 3 hours a day in class. They dress any way they want. They goof around and “party” a lot. Their parents (or govt loans) pay for everything. They typically ignore what they’re learning for much of the term, cramming in everything (homework and study) at the last minute. How, in any way, does that prepare you for the corporate world?

    Other than medical and maybe science&engineering students, how are any of these people benefiting from the university environment? It seems like they’d be better off at home, under parental supervision and learning independently.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Griggs vs. Duke Power...

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc.

    ...testing gap...

    Our current system is totally inefficient.

    ...feature or bug?

    , @Ben tillman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.
     
    In other words, reverse Griggs v. Duke Power.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    — Ideally, instead of pissing over “who gets into Yale”, let’s eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    — Deflate the college bubble. End is “Yale or Jail” nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or “knowledge”. Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let’s give these parasites what they deserve … the shaft!
     
    That's the ideal situation.

    Eliminate the "gate keeper" role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc. Maybe we should make an exception for the medical careers though (possibly engineers and scientists too).

    Also, rather than diversity of college admissions, let's have diversity in types of individuals who ascend into the elite. Let graduates of tier 2&3 universities into the elite. Let non-college grads into the elite. Let blue collar people into the elite. A truly representative national elite.

    The whole idea of sending kids off for 4 years to hang out with other kids (while occasionally cramming for a test) is asinine. It'd be better for them to stay at home, either helping out the family or working&saving. Then they get can study materials in their own way - online, books, Community colleges, internships. Once they get certified through a national exam, they can take their savings (or financial assistance from mom&dad) and buy a home.

    I'd still let really academic-minded students go to 4 year universities if they really want, but the overwhelming majority should just stay home and learn independently. I'm more sympathetic to grad students (especially PHDs) going to universities though.

    Our current system is totally inefficient. It's expensive. It splits up families. It provides a way for young people to spend years "partying." It puts many young people deeply into debt, when they can least afford it. It's politically and racially divisive.

    Maybe most important than all, I'm not sure if the current system even prepares young people for the corporate world. College students typically get up late. They spend 3 hours a day in class. They dress any way they want. They goof around and "party" a lot. Their parents (or govt loans) pay for everything. They typically ignore what they're learning for much of the term, cramming in everything (homework and study) at the last minute. How, in any way, does that prepare you for the corporate world?

    Other than medical and maybe science&engineering students, how are any of these people benefiting from the university environment? It seems like they'd be better off at home, under parental supervision and learning independently.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman

    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Griggs vs. Duke Power…

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc.

    …testing gap…

    Our current system is totally inefficient.

    …feature or bug?

  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    — Ideally, instead of pissing over “who gets into Yale”, let’s eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    — Deflate the college bubble. End is “Yale or Jail” nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or “knowledge”. Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let’s give these parasites what they deserve … the shaft!
     
    That's the ideal situation.

    Eliminate the "gate keeper" role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    Let people get certified in accounting, engineering, software programming, etc. Maybe we should make an exception for the medical careers though (possibly engineers and scientists too).

    Also, rather than diversity of college admissions, let's have diversity in types of individuals who ascend into the elite. Let graduates of tier 2&3 universities into the elite. Let non-college grads into the elite. Let blue collar people into the elite. A truly representative national elite.

    The whole idea of sending kids off for 4 years to hang out with other kids (while occasionally cramming for a test) is asinine. It'd be better for them to stay at home, either helping out the family or working&saving. Then they get can study materials in their own way - online, books, Community colleges, internships. Once they get certified through a national exam, they can take their savings (or financial assistance from mom&dad) and buy a home.

    I'd still let really academic-minded students go to 4 year universities if they really want, but the overwhelming majority should just stay home and learn independently. I'm more sympathetic to grad students (especially PHDs) going to universities though.

    Our current system is totally inefficient. It's expensive. It splits up families. It provides a way for young people to spend years "partying." It puts many young people deeply into debt, when they can least afford it. It's politically and racially divisive.

    Maybe most important than all, I'm not sure if the current system even prepares young people for the corporate world. College students typically get up late. They spend 3 hours a day in class. They dress any way they want. They goof around and "party" a lot. Their parents (or govt loans) pay for everything. They typically ignore what they're learning for much of the term, cramming in everything (homework and study) at the last minute. How, in any way, does that prepare you for the corporate world?

    Other than medical and maybe science&engineering students, how are any of these people benefiting from the university environment? It seems like they'd be better off at home, under parental supervision and learning independently.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman

    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.

    In other words, reverse Griggs v. Duke Power.

    • Agree: FPD72
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ben tillman

    Ideally, yes.

    If that's not possible, we also could create minimum quotas for Blacks, Hispanics, and Natives. So the highest-testing Non-Whites could get in without going to college.

    However, the current system just encourages immense inefficiency. What's the point of forcing someone to spend 4 years in college (and go deep into debt) when they could just take a test?

    Other than medical/pharmacy/nursing students and STEM students, how much does anybody learn in college? Even lots of semi-rigorous subjects (like accounting) could probably be more effectively taught in an actual office.

    Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

  55. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn’t hear much about them. Not sure why, but it’s interesting.

    I wonder about this as well.

    Could it be that South Asians are adept at reading and exploiting cultural cues having to do with racial hierarchies, and hence make much more natural SJWs than East Asians?

    A related issue that fascinates me is how no one ever asks S Asians about caste. Most educated Westerners at least know it exists, and yet its mention seems utterly taboo in Woke discourse.

    For example, is there a snowball’s chance in Hades that anyone would ever ask Kamala Harris about her Indian family’s caste?

    • Agree: Thulean Friend, Lurker
  56. Yale expressed surprise that the DOJ acted this early, as Yale had not yet given all their documents in their response. It’s basically an election stunt from Trump.

    Yale knows that the DOJ under Biden/Kamala won’t do anything so they can just stall until 2021 and this will fall off.

  57. @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    AnotherDad, this is a PHENOMENAL post. The only, and I mean *ONLY*, criticism I have is that important people in Ivy League have been blinking SOS for years (*)
    I only have first hand experience w/Dartmouth, so take it for what it’s worth, but the former President has been BEGGING for veterans, and ideally Combat Veterans, for years. He basically wrote the Yellow Ribbon initiative (won’t bore you w details-it just says “even though Dartmouth is more than the GI Bill pays, we’ll write off the difference). I personally met with him (through a shared love of XC skiing) during the application process and he…made me feel very welcome. I was less…”aware”…then than I am now, so I didn’t fully understand that packing your school w/ combat vets is a Plausible Deniability friendly way to *at very least* get a school where students accept as a given that there aren’t 72 genders.
    *
    My experience is dated, so it may be a lagging indicator. I may well be the last of the Reasonable Admits, I don’t know if a 2020 version of me would have had the same experience. All I can say is that FOR SURE many Ivy Big Players all know what we know and agree with our conclusions but get overwhelmed

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang


    All I can say is that FOR SURE many Ivy Big Players all know what we know and agree with our conclusions but get overwhelmed
     
    There are a lot of over-40 professors who despise the illiberal woke takeover of their institutions because it means less academic freedom, dumber students, and an abandonment of liberal values. If we have a majority then why do we not prevail? Alumni need to speak up and withhold donations if necessary, and conservatives need to stop knee-jerk hate of academia instead of advocating viewpoint diversity and meritocracy.
  58. @Reg Cæsar
    Do we really want more smart white kids corrupted by the likes of Yale?

    Replies: @JMcG, @Rich

    Excellent point. I’ve had several very close family members and family friends in Ivy League schools and most, not all, were corrupted. The females seem to be the most susceptible, rejecting whatever values their families instilled in them and turning against their own people. A couple of the males were tough kids with a sense of pride in their heritage and remain true to their family traditions. Both married somewhat leftist women who fit in well in their upper class neighborhoods, though.

    I don’t know what the solution is, because I’ve seen kids go off to average rated schools and turn out just as twisted. The best I can offer is to steer them towards STEM or business school. Everything else is mostly propaganda.

  59. As a European, I never cease to be amazed how corrupted university admissions are in the States. Not just racial quotas but legacies. Both are profoundly un-meritocratic.

    And then there’s the sports mania. Why would athletes be given easier access to universities is beyond me. Why do some universities have massive stadiums? I would take a giant buzzsaw to the American university system if I had the chance. So much bloat.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Thulean Friend

    Your average American college is a sporting enterprise with academics as a sideshow. Due to Covid, many of those will go bankrupt, not because tuition income will go down. Without football, their cash flow goes belly up and the school town economy gets ghosted.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thulean Friend


    And then there’s the sports mania.
     
    Sports mania was even more intense a century ago, at least in gridiron. College football was second only to professional baseball in popularity. This had little effect on the quality of the schools at the time.

    The student bodies were dumber then, but they came out smart. It works in the opposite direction today.
  60. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    East Asians, to their credit and detriment, have high savings rates. Steve has posted about this before, but Gentile Alums donate to The Alma Mater at *way* higher rates than East Asian Alums. Ivys are picking between a field of ppl with perfect SATs and terrific softs, they turn away plenty with perfect scores. At some point, “this person is unlikely to donate” turns into a factor

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    A dozen years ago I got an email from somebody claiming to have worked for an HYPS university at modeling who donates. Basically, Haven Monahan writes the really big checks in a few decades. But the universities keep all this super-secret and nobody else seems interested in asking about it.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Thulean Friend

  61. DoJ lawyer is an extremely prestigious position, so this HAS to be personal. On a DoJ team, as would be assigned to this, there FOR SURE would be AT LEAST one Yalie (although probably not for law. YLS types tend towards academic interests). I’d bet a pay-check on it.
    This has the feel of former West Point Room Mates looking across battle lines during The Civil War.
    No doubt, NONE, that the ppl who filed this even know the ppl who represent Yale. “Dave, we just got word from Phil and he actually went through with it! Check this out!”

  62. I ran across a clickbait list of presidential IQs. George W is ranked the dumbest at 124, Eisenhower, the guy who led the D-Day invasion got a paltry 132, and FDR got a hardly genius level 139. Aha, so who is a presidential genius, you might ask? Obama, of course, at 145. But if he is so brilliant, how come he had such a low tolerance for reading or producing official documents? I recall his advisors despairing of him ever writing coherent action memos, so they gave him multiple choice menus and he checked off his preferences. Indeed, Obama’s lifelong career of failing upward was the Peter Principle on steroids. But, because of his Ivy League credentials, we assumed he was as smart and capable as his white and Asian classmates. But he wasn’t. He was a full standard deviation below the intelligence averages for Columbia Undergraduate and Harvard Law School. This is why it is so cringe-inducing listening to him talk without a teleprompter.

    Also cringe-inducing is listening to bad- tempered imbecile Lori Lightfoot give press conferences. She has a U.Mich undergrad diploma and a J.D. from U. Chicago, so you might expect her to be competent and at least coherent. But she isn’t. She is an affirmative action petty jack-in-office.

    In public life, leftist minority politicians sell themselves as part of the educated elite, and deserving of power, but they are merely elite-adjacent, and when they get power, they use is to, as Obama famously said, “reward our friends and punish our enemies.” Don’t expect them to solve any of America’s social, economic, or public health problems.

  63. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Our elites WANT to discriminate against whites regardless of the law (AA is illegal in CA by referendum but the State U's do it anyway). This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn't. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it's very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Ano, @anon

    This is not unlike the (inverse of the) situation in the Jim Crow South where blacks had the right to vote under the 14th Amendment but as a practical matter they didn’t. In both cases, the Justice Dept. can try to put you under their microscope but it’s very hard to police if the people in charge are actively working to undermine the law.

    It’s not that hard to police. The Feds forced school integration, integration of all public facilities, and equal voting rights on the South. They sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, locked and loaded, to get the job done.
    I will cheer when they send armed troops to Yale to make them obey the law.

  64. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    Hmm, seems obvious to me. Language. You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors. Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.

    Such as whom?

    Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Sure. Here's two.

    Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Murakami Haruki

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

  65. So the DOJ forces Yale to do something that is in Yale’s best interest. Yale’s response to the lawsuit: “Please don’t throw me in the briar patch!”

  66. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @JohnnyWalker123

    East Asians, to their credit and detriment, have high savings rates. Steve has posted about this before, but Gentile Alums donate to The Alma Mater at *way* higher rates than East Asian Alums. Ivys are picking between a field of ppl with perfect SATs and terrific softs, they turn away plenty with perfect scores. At some point, “this person is unlikely to donate” turns into a factor

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    A dozen years ago I got an email from somebody claiming to have worked for an HYPS university at modeling who donates. Basically, Haven Monahan writes the really big checks in a few decades. But the universities keep all this super-secret and nobody else seems interested in asking about it.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    How do Jews and Gentiles compare? Who donates more?

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Steve Sailer

    Universities don't need checks. HYPS have giant hedge funds now.

  67. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    I have often wondered how Stanford could find so many highly qualified Hispanics. Compare their undergrad demographics:

    Stanford:
    ———–
    White: 32%
    Asian: 23%
    Hispanic: 17%
    Black: 7%
    Two or more races: 9%
    International: 11%

    Yale:
    ——
    White: 46%
    Asian: 17%
    Hispanic: 12%
    Black: 11%
    International: 11%
    Unknown race: 7%

    Harvard:
    ————
    White: 43%
    Asian: 17%
    International: 12%
    Hispanic: 11%
    Black: 7%
    Unknown: 9%

    Princeton:
    ————
    White: 42%
    Asian: 21%
    International: 12%
    Hispanic: 10%
    Black: 8%
    Unknown: 7%

    Isn’t it odd how many more Hispanics are at Stanford than HYP? And how many fewer whites? It’s also odd that the DOJ charges Yale with discrimination against whites at Yale, when it’s the one school among HYPSM that has the highest % of whites. What about Stanford? Wouldn’t you say Stanford is the one school that discriminates the most against whites among the elites? All eight Ivy League schools and MIT have more whites than Stanford. MIT and Columbia are the lowest at 35% and 37% respectively.

  68. @Steve Sailer
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    A dozen years ago I got an email from somebody claiming to have worked for an HYPS university at modeling who donates. Basically, Haven Monahan writes the really big checks in a few decades. But the universities keep all this super-secret and nobody else seems interested in asking about it.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Thulean Friend

    How do Jews and Gentiles compare? Who donates more?

  69. @anon
    There's a problem here of the right-wing fighting "yesterday's battle" instead of considering the realities of the current situation. Most institutions today frame their policies in terms of "diversity" and many universities even require explicit "diversity statements" as part of the selection process.

    So even if you create a law that bans affirmative action, they might just lean on these "diversity statements" - which in effect require someone to take concrete action to discriminate, as opposed to doing the direct discrimination themselves as an institution.

    My point is that right-wingers could hypothetically win the battle over affirmative action policies, and then lose the war by not considering the way in which institutions are reframing the conflict to their own benefit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jack D

    This is very astute. I think it’s exactly the way things are going.

  70. @Ben tillman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Eliminate the “gate keeper” role that universities (especially elite institutions) play in American society.
     
    In other words, reverse Griggs v. Duke Power.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Ideally, yes.

    If that’s not possible, we also could create minimum quotas for Blacks, Hispanics, and Natives. So the highest-testing Non-Whites could get in without going to college.

    However, the current system just encourages immense inefficiency. What’s the point of forcing someone to spend 4 years in college (and go deep into debt) when they could just take a test?

    Other than medical/pharmacy/nursing students and STEM students, how much does anybody learn in college? Even lots of semi-rigorous subjects (like accounting) could probably be more effectively taught in an actual office.

    • Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My father is an ivy Engineer and I’ve asked him about this. In Europe Accountancy and, to a lesser extent Engineering, are OJT style paths (less so in 2020, for sure). We have substantial ties to Europe and I asked him about his cohort-now that their life’s work has played out (the advantage of talking to elders, they have Big Picture views) did the Germanic “start at 18 on the job” beat the Anglo “start at 22 after school”?
    His response was that college added no value SAVE for that it socially isolated you during your “worst” years. He said he knew many people who would have matured into great professional but who got fired for eg sleeping in late too many times etc.
    The Anglo model is, in a nut shell, provide ppl with a respectable identity (“college kid”) while they work their worst tendencies out.
    Of course, a fair 2020 critique is just that we’ve gone from prematurely firing 19 year olds for sleeping in late to encouraging 22 year olds to do the exact same

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  71. @Thulean Friend
    As a European, I never cease to be amazed how corrupted university admissions are in the States. Not just racial quotas but legacies. Both are profoundly un-meritocratic.

    And then there's the sports mania. Why would athletes be given easier access to universities is beyond me. Why do some universities have massive stadiums? I would take a giant buzzsaw to the American university system if I had the chance. So much bloat.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    Your average American college is a sporting enterprise with academics as a sideshow. Due to Covid, many of those will go bankrupt, not because tuition income will go down. Without football, their cash flow goes belly up and the school town economy gets ghosted.

  72. @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Hmm, seems obvious to me. Language. You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors. Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Replies: @anon

    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.

    Such as whom?

    Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Sure. Here’s two.

    Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Murakami Haruki

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.
     
    Such as whom?
     
    Vikram Seth's The Golden Gate was a wonderful send-up of the Bay Area no-nukes crowd of forty years ago. Written in well-constructed Pushkin sonnets, no less.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Gate_(Seth_novel)

    Replies: @epebble

    , @J.Ross
    @anon

    Banana, The Sailor Who Fell From Grace From the Sea, Never Let Me Go, Joy Luck Club, Stealing Buddha's Dinner, Trickmaster Monkey, Book of Tea, Art of War, Dao De Ching, Wisdom of Mencius, Hooking Up With Tila Tequila, Analects of Confucius, Journey To The West, Water Margin, A Japan That Can Say No, My Advertising Career, Japan's Greatest Victory and Britain's Greatest Defeat, Famine, Hagakure, Sarariman, The End Of History.
    The only book I can think of by a Southie (which by the way I have read despite bouts of boredom) is Dilip Hiro's The Longest War. Also that sarcastic Marxist guy Tariq Ali.
    Your point is taken despite your poor choice of illustration. There's a horrible Bollywood movie which used to play in the TV of an Indian restaurant which tolerated me. When the evil racist bratty white English nobleman insults India, the Indian hero lists Indian accomplishments (in Hindi; his girlfriend translates) and at one point he mentions a gazillion newspapers, and I thought, Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?

    Replies: @Jack D

  73. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    AnotherDad quickie points:

    -- In a free society, it would not be the government's business what the hell some private universities admissions policy is. 100% white, 100% Jewish, 100% Catholic, 100% Protestant, 100% Chinese, 100% Indian, 100% black, 100% Mexican ... it's their own damn business.

    -- If we're going to have battle, i'd rather have the battle on restoring freedom of association. Get Big Sisters' boot off my throat.

    -- If the government is going to claim the right to dictate private uni admissions policies for these elite universities because "reasons" ... why not go whole hog and just nationalize them? National admissions tests for admission.

    -- If we have to put up with affirmative action or any sort of racial gerrymandering than lets just have quotas. If it's supposed to look like America, then 20% Asian and 20% Jewish--is an insulting joke. Coupled with 10% black and 10% "Hispanic" for "diversity" it is nothing more than an assualt on white gentiles whose ancestors built this joint. If we're playing these games, then get the census data and make 'em "look like America"--2% Jewish, 5% Asian, 14% black, 18% "Hispanic", 1% Native American and the other 60% white gentiles (and quota those off too--let everyone get their share of the pie).

    -- Ideally, instead of pissing over "who gets into Yale", let's eliminate the pre-eminent role of Yalies in our lives.

    -- Deflate the college bubble. End is "Yale or Jail" nonsense. Create competency tests where Americans of any age can demonstrate their competency in all sorts of skills, basic, technical and academic (various disciplines), and have government hire exclusively based on them, not college degrees. These colleges do not add competency or "knowledge". Outside STEM, they are factories of lies and anti-knowledge. Let's give these parasites what they deserve ... the shaft!

    Replies: @Lot, @Goddard, @Alice, @Alice, @JohnnyWalker123, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon

    I agree private universities should be able to admit whoever they damn well please — if they stop accepting federal funds, give up their tax free and land grant status. Until then, they are still taxpayer funded and should be fair to all taxpayers by not giving racial preferences. Whites and Asians arguably pay far more taxes than blacks and Hispanics, and receive far less federal largess.

    I think the fairest way will be to admit strictly by racial quota in proportion to the general demographics, i.e. 61% non-Jewish white, 2% Jew, 13% black, 16% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native American, 1% Hawaiian. Let each demo group compete within group and admit strictly by academic merit — GPA and test scores. Free our children from all the burden of extracurricular activities so they can once again enjoy their childhood.

    Another benefit of this quota is, Jews will immediately begin to correctly report their true number in the US, which we all know is far more than 2%. Even Henry Ford said way back in 1920 that Jews have a habit of under reporting their true numbers throughout history and in every country.

    The alternative is to make the Top Ten schools (Ivies + Stanford + MIT) 100% black. If it’s really true that it’s the schools that make them smart, then let’s use their rich endowments to benefit as many blacks as possible. Consider it reparation.

  74. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Ben tillman

    Ideally, yes.

    If that's not possible, we also could create minimum quotas for Blacks, Hispanics, and Natives. So the highest-testing Non-Whites could get in without going to college.

    However, the current system just encourages immense inefficiency. What's the point of forcing someone to spend 4 years in college (and go deep into debt) when they could just take a test?

    Other than medical/pharmacy/nursing students and STEM students, how much does anybody learn in college? Even lots of semi-rigorous subjects (like accounting) could probably be more effectively taught in an actual office.

    Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    My father is an ivy Engineer and I’ve asked him about this. In Europe Accountancy and, to a lesser extent Engineering, are OJT style paths (less so in 2020, for sure). We have substantial ties to Europe and I asked him about his cohort-now that their life’s work has played out (the advantage of talking to elders, they have Big Picture views) did the Germanic “start at 18 on the job” beat the Anglo “start at 22 after school”?
    His response was that college added no value SAVE for that it socially isolated you during your “worst” years. He said he knew many people who would have matured into great professional but who got fired for eg sleeping in late too many times etc.
    The Anglo model is, in a nut shell, provide ppl with a respectable identity (“college kid”) while they work their worst tendencies out.
    Of course, a fair 2020 critique is just that we’ve gone from prematurely firing 19 year olds for sleeping in late to encouraging 22 year olds to do the exact same

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Your father is a wise man.

  75. @Thulean Friend
    As a European, I never cease to be amazed how corrupted university admissions are in the States. Not just racial quotas but legacies. Both are profoundly un-meritocratic.

    And then there's the sports mania. Why would athletes be given easier access to universities is beyond me. Why do some universities have massive stadiums? I would take a giant buzzsaw to the American university system if I had the chance. So much bloat.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    And then there’s the sports mania.

    Sports mania was even more intense a century ago, at least in gridiron. College football was second only to professional baseball in popularity. This had little effect on the quality of the schools at the time.

    The student bodies were dumber then, but they came out smart. It works in the opposite direction today.

  76. @anon
    @anon

    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.

    Such as whom?

    Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Sure. Here's two.

    Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Murakami Haruki

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.

    Such as whom?

    Vikram Seth’s The Golden Gate was a wonderful send-up of the Bay Area no-nukes crowd of forty years ago. Written in well-constructed Pushkin sonnets, no less.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Gate_(Seth_novel)

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Reg Cæsar

    B & N has 384 fiction titles in stock:

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/books/world-fiction/indian-south-asian-fiction/_/N-29Z8q8Z1ple?Nrpp=20&page=1

  77. @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Unfortunately, South Asians often inherit a skillset or cultural predisposition which lines up with some of the worst native elements who run our society. It's like an experienced salesman stumbling across a remote village of credulous peasants. Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I actually don’t think White Gentiles are buying what South Asians are selling. From my experience, most White Gentiles find West Asians (Greeks, Italians, Cubans, South Americans, Armenians, Subcons, Persians, Arabs, etc.) to be sleazy, greasy, and dishonest.

    If you want to understand how Whites and West Asians view one another, watch this clip from Scarface.

    West Asians view Whites as naive and gullible. Whites view West Asians as duplicitous conmen.

    Look at this picture of Manny Ribera. This is a pretty good example of how lots of West Asian men (such as NYC Italians, LA Armenians, and Miami Cubans) dress.

    To West Asians, he looks like a stylish ladies man. To Whites, he looks like a shady hustler.

    The Anglo-Germanic peasants are a bit credulous, but they’re not totally naive. In their view, there’s something “off” about West Asians.

    However, the village peasants no longer run anything. Instead, it’s the Jewish moneylenders who are importing as many outsiders as possible to dilute the peasantry. If South Asians are impressing anyone with their credentials and English, it’s the Jews.

    Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

    True. Though that’s true of a large fraction of extremely successful people in today’s America.

    In today’s America, success is often a function of having lots of shiny credentials, naked ambition, and verbal facility. So that often brings a lot of the worst people into power.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And "Mr Know-All," which was actually a surprisingly graceful and fair depiction.

    , @GU
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Instead of “Italian” I think you mean “Sicilian.”

  78. @Steve Sailer
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    A dozen years ago I got an email from somebody claiming to have worked for an HYPS university at modeling who donates. Basically, Haven Monahan writes the really big checks in a few decades. But the universities keep all this super-secret and nobody else seems interested in asking about it.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Thulean Friend

    Universities don’t need checks. HYPS have giant hedge funds now.

  79. Nothing will change, no matter how much you Yale it out from the rooftops.

  80. @North Carolina Resident
    @Kronos

    Are the dirty dealings posted online? I'd like to read a summary of them.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I read most of the Judge’s decision when it first came out. Essentially Harvard knew what it was doing and any HR basic B would’ve told them it’s a no-no. But Harvard didn’t get sham-wowed by disparate impact by civil rights legislation because of (reasons.) The judge caved despite comprehending that Harvard was naughty and treated it like Comey with Hillary’s illegal email server. The burden of proof was often placed on the plaintiff, which is very odd in civil rights cases. It’s often the defense that pleads and begs to prove innocence. Hopefully, things will go a lot better with the Yale case.

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.165519/gov.uscourts.mad.165519.672.0_2.pdf

  81. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad, this is a PHENOMENAL post. The only, and I mean *ONLY*, criticism I have is that important people in Ivy League have been blinking SOS for years (*)
    I only have first hand experience w/Dartmouth, so take it for what it’s worth, but the former President has been BEGGING for veterans, and ideally Combat Veterans, for years. He basically wrote the Yellow Ribbon initiative (won’t bore you w details-it just says “even though Dartmouth is more than the GI Bill pays, we’ll write off the difference). I personally met with him (through a shared love of XC skiing) during the application process and he...made me feel very welcome. I was less...”aware”...then than I am now, so I didn’t fully understand that packing your school w/ combat vets is a Plausible Deniability friendly way to *at very least* get a school where students accept as a given that there aren’t 72 genders.
    *
    My experience is dated, so it may be a lagging indicator. I may well be the last of the Reasonable Admits, I don’t know if a 2020 version of me would have had the same experience. All I can say is that FOR SURE many Ivy Big Players all know what we know and agree with our conclusions but get overwhelmed

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    All I can say is that FOR SURE many Ivy Big Players all know what we know and agree with our conclusions but get overwhelmed

    There are a lot of over-40 professors who despise the illiberal woke takeover of their institutions because it means less academic freedom, dumber students, and an abandonment of liberal values. If we have a majority then why do we not prevail? Alumni need to speak up and withhold donations if necessary, and conservatives need to stop knee-jerk hate of academia instead of advocating viewpoint diversity and meritocracy.

  82. @Bill in Glendale
    What happened to the Elihu Yale slave controversy? Funny how that went away.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Rebranding would be too risky for such a well-recognized signaling credential. “Oh, so you attended, um, Patrice Lumumba University at New Haven? Interesting.”

  83. @JohnnyWalker123
    @J.Ross

    I actually don't think White Gentiles are buying what South Asians are selling. From my experience, most White Gentiles find West Asians (Greeks, Italians, Cubans, South Americans, Armenians, Subcons, Persians, Arabs, etc.) to be sleazy, greasy, and dishonest.

    If you want to understand how Whites and West Asians view one another, watch this clip from Scarface.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqLYfsVSy8

    West Asians view Whites as naive and gullible. Whites view West Asians as duplicitous conmen.

    Look at this picture of Manny Ribera. This is a pretty good example of how lots of West Asian men (such as NYC Italians, LA Armenians, and Miami Cubans) dress.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/44/b9/a444b99a51ce066c96d17d435a4f7afb.jpg

    To West Asians, he looks like a stylish ladies man. To Whites, he looks like a shady hustler.

    The Anglo-Germanic peasants are a bit credulous, but they're not totally naive. In their view, there's something "off" about West Asians.

    However, the village peasants no longer run anything. Instead, it's the Jewish moneylenders who are importing as many outsiders as possible to dilute the peasantry. If South Asians are impressing anyone with their credentials and English, it's the Jews.


    Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

     

    True. Though that's true of a large fraction of extremely successful people in today's America.

    In today's America, success is often a function of having lots of shiny credentials, naked ambition, and verbal facility. So that often brings a lot of the worst people into power.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @GU

    And “Mr Know-All,” which was actually a surprisingly graceful and fair depiction.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  84. @Alice
    @AnotherDad

    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around! MIT has DIE officers approving research. Caltech has dropped standardized tests for admission. Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we've stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation. Biology profs are cancelled for saying male and female are real and unmutable. Jim Watson is anathema. Ronald Fisher anathema. Pay attention!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wild Geese Howard

    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around!

    Agreed. I work in tech and we have plenty of young, vocal Wokies employed.
    Of course, you tend not to notice the non-vocal, sane people so it is hard to make a scientific assessment of the relative numbers…

  85. @anon
    @anon

    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.

    Such as whom?

    Can you name a book written by an East Asian?

    Sure. Here's two.

    Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Murakami Haruki

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    Banana, The Sailor Who Fell From Grace From the Sea, Never Let Me Go, Joy Luck Club, Stealing Buddha’s Dinner, Trickmaster Monkey, Book of Tea, Art of War, Dao De Ching, Wisdom of Mencius, Hooking Up With Tila Tequila, Analects of Confucius, Journey To The West, Water Margin, A Japan That Can Say No, My Advertising Career, Japan’s Greatest Victory and Britain’s Greatest Defeat, Famine, Hagakure, Sarariman, The End Of History.
    The only book I can think of by a Southie (which by the way I have read despite bouts of boredom) is Dilip Hiro’s The Longest War. Also that sarcastic Marxist guy Tariq Ali.
    Your point is taken despite your poor choice of illustration. There’s a horrible Bollywood movie which used to play in the TV of an Indian restaurant which tolerated me. When the evil racist bratty white English nobleman insults India, the Indian hero lists Indian accomplishments (in Hindi; his girlfriend translates) and at one point he mentions a gazillion newspapers, and I thought, Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross


    Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?
     
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the front page of the Times of India. It's a perfectly respectable newspaper:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/headlines

    The lead story right now is " [American] Scientists identify potential drug candidate against Covid-1 .."

    The lead story on the NY Times right now is "The Undertold, Undersold Story of Kamala Harris". I kid you not. So which one is fatuously verbose and noisily pointless?

    While you have been sleeping, Rip van Ross, the 3rd world has gotten a lot better and the US has gotten a lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  86. @J.Ross
    @anon

    Banana, The Sailor Who Fell From Grace From the Sea, Never Let Me Go, Joy Luck Club, Stealing Buddha's Dinner, Trickmaster Monkey, Book of Tea, Art of War, Dao De Ching, Wisdom of Mencius, Hooking Up With Tila Tequila, Analects of Confucius, Journey To The West, Water Margin, A Japan That Can Say No, My Advertising Career, Japan's Greatest Victory and Britain's Greatest Defeat, Famine, Hagakure, Sarariman, The End Of History.
    The only book I can think of by a Southie (which by the way I have read despite bouts of boredom) is Dilip Hiro's The Longest War. Also that sarcastic Marxist guy Tariq Ali.
    Your point is taken despite your poor choice of illustration. There's a horrible Bollywood movie which used to play in the TV of an Indian restaurant which tolerated me. When the evil racist bratty white English nobleman insults India, the Indian hero lists Indian accomplishments (in Hindi; his girlfriend translates) and at one point he mentions a gazillion newspapers, and I thought, Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the front page of the Times of India. It’s a perfectly respectable newspaper:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/headlines

    The lead story right now is ” [American] Scientists identify potential drug candidate against Covid-1 ..”

    The lead story on the NY Times right now is “The Undertold, Undersold Story of Kamala Harris”. I kid you not. So which one is fatuously verbose and noisily pointless?

    While you have been sleeping, Rip van Ross, the 3rd world has gotten a lot better and the US has gotten a lot worse.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    the 3rd world has gotten a lot better and the US has gotten a lot worse

    That is definitely true.

  87. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaKpO1x1-QQ

    The president of the Harvard Black Men's Forum is Ethiopian, (Even the mixed raced guys stand out less due to having more Bantu features) or at least in 2019 he was. Broadly the guys in the orientation look like they come from poor backgrounds and have stuff like earring studs. Though it's hard to know how many are post-grads or transfers (One guy has a Howard shirt) who are generally more credential-based imports to a university over more raw SAT undergrad entrants.

    But being from a poor background doesn't mean you're not smart. But none of them seem to be studying anything other than 'politics', 'economics' or 'government'.

    But typing 'Harvard black orientation' into YouTube brings up a lot of interesting videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOljTIUXJI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MLqlrxf5M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPVJgnCEqT0

    I don't know. People who always go on about how 'hard' academic success is always seem to be just dumb to me (Or come from a home or neighbourhood environment that makes it very hard to study) and never seem to study anything really complex. It's just a little bit of extra work to get into the top end for anyone with a +1SD IQ. (Unless you're going to school with a lot of Asians maybe)

    It seems to me that the unspoken trouble for black guys trying to be academic successes is other black guys being a really bad influence. That's why I always laugh at all the love for Zlatan as a 'role model'. (He seems to get away with things that Ronaldo or McGregor would be pilloried for) He isn't a good role model for the guys back in Rosengard. He validates every bad attitude and cultural pose they cling to against the obviously superior Swedish culture. He's just as tall as a tree and so excelled athletically to make millions. If he was a little bit clumsy he'd be in prison by now. He basically tells them 'You are kings!'. It's not healthy. Shame in their culture and a desire to change would be healthy. (Not necessarily for the Swedes, it's only a negative to be gained from 'integration' of Balkan and Arab people)

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Zlatan represents much that is wrong with contemporary Sweden. His autobiography is called “ You Can Take the Boy out of Rosengård, But You Can’t Take Rosengård Out of the Boy.” True there, true at Harvard.

  88. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Twinkie

    For the moment, it's a Jewish world and we just live in it. The question is will other less pussy groups than gentile Whites accept it going forward.

    Replies: @Gordo

    For the moment, it’s a Jewish world and we just live in it. The question is will other less pussy groups than gentile Whites accept it going forward.

    They’ll suck up and keep quiet until its time to take over.

    The dynamic will be slightly different as the new market dominant minorities will be visible.

  89. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Twinkie

    Good points.


    *And crying about “anti-Asian racism” at the Ivies isn’t going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more “Asians,” they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

     

    Yes, I've noticed this too.

    There seems to be overt discrimination against East Asians (especially East Asian males). When Asians complain about a bamboo ceiling, they're not whining. They really do encounter real discrimination, for whatever reason. Sometimes East Asian women can escape this if they date/marry a White (often Jewish) male.

    East Asian men definitely sit in the back of the bus. They may not be insulted (like Whites often are), but they are ignored and often relegated to "worker bee" roles.

    South Asians seem to have gained a lot of favor in the last 10-15 years. Before that, you didn't hear much about them. Not sure why, but it's interesting.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @anon, @Anonymous

    It’s pretty obvious if you account for HBD. South Asians are Caucasoid whereas East Asians are Mongoloid. Few people among the West would be inspired by a short, baby-faced Asian leader unless he were riding on a pony and shooting arrows at them while building a pyramid of skulls. Look at the success of South Asian leaders like Jindal and Haley in districts without a large population of their compatriots compared to East Asian politicos who have to be ensconced in enclaves of their own.

    This also extends to the geopolitical sphere. South Asians will have more success there owing to looking less like eponymical Down syndrome babies.

    If East Asians were physically impressive while retaining relatively similar envelopes of personalities and behaviors they would dominate the globe. Unfortunately for them they are not and they are actually in the lower quartile.

  90. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    What you mean "we" kemosabe. Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it's allowed.

    Personally, I'm perfectly fine with AA. In a multi-everything country, it's the default position. Each group gets its share of the goods. I'd just like it to be more open and honest.

    I'd also like to see the groups more clearly defined, if you know what I mean. And I know you do.

    Replies: @lysias, @Jane Plain

    White Gentiles do not get a fair share. Poor white Gentiles barely get any share at all.

  91. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    What you mean "we" kemosabe. Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it's allowed.

    Personally, I'm perfectly fine with AA. In a multi-everything country, it's the default position. Each group gets its share of the goods. I'd just like it to be more open and honest.

    I'd also like to see the groups more clearly defined, if you know what I mean. And I know you do.

    Replies: @lysias, @Jane Plain

    Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it’s allowed.

    The upper 20% do. The lower 80% don’t.

    The lower 80% have to scramble and scheme just like you. We don’t benefit from nepotism, because Dad didn’t own his own business, or send us to Ivy. We went to State U, just like you.

    And some end up like this. Dustin “passed away” in a strongarm murder at the Short Hills Mall, when he was swarmed by four diverse and vibrant Unzers and shot.

    https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/app/obituary.aspx?n=dustin-joseph-friedland&pid=168599261&fhid=18236

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Jane Plain

    The election map ofBrooklyn glowed bright red for Trump in some of the Orthodox areas. They've been crapped on by DeBlasio, with him preening about shutting down funerals. Given the 3.3 children per woman they have compared to the .8 or so produced by Reform Jews, they're going to be the only Jews left in NY. I suspect they'll go strongly for Trump this year.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  92. @Jesse
    What's depressing is that it's not possible to object to discrimination against Whites without using Asians and Orientals as human shields. (This, BTW, is why they don't trust us no matter how much conservatives wave the Ivy League around.)

    I'm with Ed Realist on this one: while Asians and Orientals have higher average IQs than Whites, there is more justification for demanding higher standards for them than when it comes to Whites.

    What's more pertinent, medium term, is that whining about unequal access to the Ivy League is a handy distraction. You fight this, you're not questioning the fact that it's the only route to any kind of stability. Why do tech and FIRE companies only hire from these colleges? Why are those sectors increasingly the only route to basic security? Honestly, this just seems like trucon waffling. It's fighting for the last seats on the lifeboats instead of pointing out that people from both within and without have bombed the ship and are actively preventing anyone from fixing it.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    My son was just looking at the electrical engineering grad students at Cal Tech. He was laughing at the overwhelming predominance of Chen’s and Chou’s. One or two Anglos in a sea of Chinese.

    What do you think? Is it discrimination against non-Chinese, or is nobody else interested in EE grad school? My former-professor relative says white kids just want to get jobs after college, so they don’t go to grad school. But to the Chinese, having a PhD is a huge status marker, so lots of them pursue one.

  93. @Jack D
    @J.Ross


    Jesus, can anything be more fatuously verbose and noisily pointless than a gazillion Indian newspapers?
     
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the front page of the Times of India. It's a perfectly respectable newspaper:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/headlines

    The lead story right now is " [American] Scientists identify potential drug candidate against Covid-1 .."

    The lead story on the NY Times right now is "The Undertold, Undersold Story of Kamala Harris". I kid you not. So which one is fatuously verbose and noisily pointless?

    While you have been sleeping, Rip van Ross, the 3rd world has gotten a lot better and the US has gotten a lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    the 3rd world has gotten a lot better and the US has gotten a lot worse

    That is definitely true.

  94. @Alice
    @AnotherDad

    STOP thinking STEM is safe. My goodness, look around! MIT has DIE officers approving research. Caltech has dropped standardized tests for admission. Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we've stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation. Biology profs are cancelled for saying male and female are real and unmutable. Jim Watson is anathema. Ronald Fisher anathema. Pay attention!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we’ve stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation.

    Are you referring to the David Collum incident at Cornell?

    If so, you’ll be happy to know he had enough backing at the highest levels to survive his cancelation.

    I concur that it is a mistake to think STEM is safe.

    • Replies: @Alice
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    No, I wasn't, but I'm glad to hear about Collum. I was talking about Hudlicky.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-activists-are-now-stalking-the-hard-scientists

    People should be paying attention to newdiscourses.com

    and the math world in which 2+2=5.

  95. For the great majority of applicants, Asian Americans and whites have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials.

    Lol!

    Steve-O, let me alter it for you slightly:

    DOJ Tells Yale to Stop Discriminating Against Asians

  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    @J.Ross

    I actually don't think White Gentiles are buying what South Asians are selling. From my experience, most White Gentiles find West Asians (Greeks, Italians, Cubans, South Americans, Armenians, Subcons, Persians, Arabs, etc.) to be sleazy, greasy, and dishonest.

    If you want to understand how Whites and West Asians view one another, watch this clip from Scarface.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfqLYfsVSy8

    West Asians view Whites as naive and gullible. Whites view West Asians as duplicitous conmen.

    Look at this picture of Manny Ribera. This is a pretty good example of how lots of West Asian men (such as NYC Italians, LA Armenians, and Miami Cubans) dress.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/44/b9/a444b99a51ce066c96d17d435a4f7afb.jpg

    To West Asians, he looks like a stylish ladies man. To Whites, he looks like a shady hustler.

    The Anglo-Germanic peasants are a bit credulous, but they're not totally naive. In their view, there's something "off" about West Asians.

    However, the village peasants no longer run anything. Instead, it's the Jewish moneylenders who are importing as many outsiders as possible to dilute the peasantry. If South Asians are impressing anyone with their credentials and English, it's the Jews.


    Their success is perverse rather than meritocratic.

     

    True. Though that's true of a large fraction of extremely successful people in today's America.

    In today's America, success is often a function of having lots of shiny credentials, naked ambition, and verbal facility. So that often brings a lot of the worst people into power.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @GU

    Instead of “Italian” I think you mean “Sicilian.”

  97. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    You can go to the bookstore or library and find racks of books written by South Asian authors.
     
    Such as whom?
     
    Vikram Seth's The Golden Gate was a wonderful send-up of the Bay Area no-nukes crowd of forty years ago. Written in well-constructed Pushkin sonnets, no less.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Gate_(Seth_novel)

    Replies: @epebble

  98. @anon
    There's a problem here of the right-wing fighting "yesterday's battle" instead of considering the realities of the current situation. Most institutions today frame their policies in terms of "diversity" and many universities even require explicit "diversity statements" as part of the selection process.

    So even if you create a law that bans affirmative action, they might just lean on these "diversity statements" - which in effect require someone to take concrete action to discriminate, as opposed to doing the direct discrimination themselves as an institution.

    My point is that right-wingers could hypothetically win the battle over affirmative action policies, and then lose the war by not considering the way in which institutions are reframing the conflict to their own benefit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Jack D

    As I point out in an earlier comment, the people of California banned AA in state universities by referendum many years ago and this was but a mere speedbump for university administrators – they found other ways to take into account “non-racial” factors such as being from “struggling” school districts and expressing a preference for fried chicken and watermelon (OK I made that one up) which serve as proxy factors for minority status and so were able to keep taking AA admits without calling them AA admits.

    The only way to really get rid of AA is to use a mandatory admission by test system as required by state law in the NYC magnet schools (naturally De Blasio wants to get rid of this). In NY, these schools are now 75% Asian and hardly any blacks so that’s the downside of that.

  99. Great, about time. A serious conservative administration from Day 1 would have relentlessly attacked all colleges that engage in DIE discrimination. Better late than never.

  100. @Justvisiting
    @Jack D

    If the Justice Department was serious they would place an injunction on federal funds of any form going to Yale--no federally insured student loans, no federal grants, etc--and force Yale to prove they were in compliance before the ban was lifted.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    Agree. There is a culture war going on but only one side is fighting to win.

  101. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My father is an ivy Engineer and I’ve asked him about this. In Europe Accountancy and, to a lesser extent Engineering, are OJT style paths (less so in 2020, for sure). We have substantial ties to Europe and I asked him about his cohort-now that their life’s work has played out (the advantage of talking to elders, they have Big Picture views) did the Germanic “start at 18 on the job” beat the Anglo “start at 22 after school”?
    His response was that college added no value SAVE for that it socially isolated you during your “worst” years. He said he knew many people who would have matured into great professional but who got fired for eg sleeping in late too many times etc.
    The Anglo model is, in a nut shell, provide ppl with a respectable identity (“college kid”) while they work their worst tendencies out.
    Of course, a fair 2020 critique is just that we’ve gone from prematurely firing 19 year olds for sleeping in late to encouraging 22 year olds to do the exact same

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Your father is a wise man.

  102. @Jane Plain
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    Jews do just fine under the current arrangement, which is why it’s allowed.

     

    The upper 20% do. The lower 80% don't.

    The lower 80% have to scramble and scheme just like you. We don't benefit from nepotism, because Dad didn't own his own business, or send us to Ivy. We went to State U, just like you.

    And some end up like this. Dustin "passed away" in a strongarm murder at the Short Hills Mall, when he was swarmed by four diverse and vibrant Unzers and shot.

    https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/app/obituary.aspx?n=dustin-joseph-friedland&pid=168599261&fhid=18236

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    The election map ofBrooklyn glowed bright red for Trump in some of the Orthodox areas. They’ve been crapped on by DeBlasio, with him preening about shutting down funerals. Given the 3.3 children per woman they have compared to the .8 or so produced by Reform Jews, they’re going to be the only Jews left in NY. I suspect they’ll go strongly for Trump this year.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @TomSchmidt

    Suspect? Nope, for sure.

    De Blasio hates everyone except for masochistic woke whites and blacks.

    He'll get his due: his daughter is batshit. Dunno about Dante.

  103. @onetwothree
    Off-topic:

    The left is grinding hard on their new conspiracy theory, that Trump (and company) are stealing the election via Post Office something something something. In case you haven't started noticing this, you might want to. If Trump wins, we'll be hearing about it for years.

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>The left is grinding hard on their new conspiracy theory, that Trump (and company) are stealing the election via Post Office something something something.<<

    Aha! I was wondering why my postal carriers recently have looked particularly Slavic. You can tell.

    So the Russians in their latest attempt to steal the election for Trump have infiltrated the Postal Service.

    I've also noticed those little portable electric samovars sitting in the back of the truck with the packages, even in the hot weather. Those sneaky Russians can drink hot tea in any weather!

    Damn, that Putin is clever! Better go long on the ruble…

  104. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Scott Galloway, professor at NYU Stern, gave an interesting interview where he envisioned post Covid19 we will end up with “Cyborg Universities”, i.e. top universities like MIT, Stanford, Oxford etc. teaming up with top tech companies to offer online universities a large number of people, in the process causing a lot of universities (not in the top 50) to go out of business:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/scott-galloway-future-of-college.html

    The strongest brand in the world is not Apple or Mercedes-Benz or Coca-Cola. The strongest brands are MIT, Oxford, and Stanford. Academics and administrators at the top universities have decided over the last 30 years that we’re no longer public servants; we’re luxury goods.

    In the case of MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and Cal, people will say they’re sacrificing their standards to enroll more students. The reality is these schools can double or triple their enrollments without sacrificing anything in terms of their brands. Right now, their admissions officers are choosing between Magic Johnson and LeBron James. Every superstar in high school — and there are a lot — wants to go to these universities. We’re going to see schools slicing and dicing programming and product management, and they will have a new weapon: remote learning. The best universities are going to be able to expand enrollment dramatically, which will result in chaos for the tier-two and tier-three school. Nobody’s going to enroll in Pepperdine if they get into UCLA.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    "Nobody’s going to enroll in Pepperdine if they get into UCLA."

    Has he seen where Pepperdine is located?

  105. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league. They dont compete with any of the top ten departments remotely. Hell Santa Barbra is of more interest to any undergrad who wants to work in the valley. Some of these places , Washington have been so endowed with funding and equipment now its almost like the bigtimes in seattle were like how can I keep an eye on Greg and Nancy a few more years so they dont become homos or drug addicts. Age old parental concern.

    Plenty of excellent scholarship going on in dozens of other areas, but this is the software age.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league.

    I’ll have to agree with this. Yale used to be the nation’s #2 school after Harvard. These days Stanford is #2 or even #1 to those who want to major in STEM. Per Princeton Review Stanford has been the #1 dream school of both students and parents for almost a decade running.

    In the “head to head match up” of which school students chose to attend if they were accepted to both, Stanford solidly beats out all schools and is the one school coming closest to beating out Harvard:
    https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php

    Example:

    Stanford vs. Harvard: 44% to 56%
    Stanford vs. Yale: 58% to 42%
    Stanford vs. Princeton: 71% to 29%
    Stanford vs. MIT: 70% to 30%

    Yale vs. Harvard: 32% to 68%
    Yale vs. Princeton: 61% to 39%
    Yale vs. MIT: 34% to 66%

    MIT vs. Harvard: 37% to 63%
    MIT vs. Princeton: 58% to 42%

    Yale loses out to Harvard, MIT, Stanford. Princeton loses out all 4.

    HYPSM should be HSMYP.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The weather is nicer at Stanford during the school year.

  106. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league. They dont compete with any of the top ten departments remotely. Hell Santa Barbra is of more interest to any undergrad who wants to work in the valley. Some of these places , Washington have been so endowed with funding and equipment now its almost like the bigtimes in seattle were like how can I keep an eye on Greg and Nancy a few more years so they dont become homos or drug addicts. Age old parental concern.

    Plenty of excellent scholarship going on in dozens of other areas, but this is the software age.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Is there even a point to Ivy League schools offering CS and Engineering? Each year at least half of their graduating class go into Investment Banking or Management Consulting, while the other half probably go into politics, or on to law school or med school. Even Jeff Bezos who graduated from Princeton with a CS + EE degree ended up working in an investment bank on Wall Street, along with his wife who was an English major from Princeton. Lucky for us he decided early on he didn’t want to waste his CS degree on IB. How many are seduced by the $ and ended up wasting their STEM degrees in IB and MC? Probably a lot.

    It’s been said there is this thing called a “CS Vortex” at Stanford, where even those who have no interest in CS eventually get sucked into majoring/minoring in CS. At the Ivy League there is the IB Vortex and MC Vortex, all their top kids aim for either Wall Street Investment Banking or Management Consulting.

    Over 50% of Stanford kids graduate with a STEM degree each year, while the top majors at HYP are Social Sciences and Political Science. Saying that you have a CS or Engineering degree from Stanford or MIT gets you instant respect. Saying that you have such a degree from HYP (especially Yale) gets you no more (maybe less) respect than a similar degree from Cal or Michigan, or just a puzzled look, “they offer those majors?”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    If the Ivy League wants to get rid of their Asian problem, all they have to do is get rid of their CS and Engineering programs, and limit Biology and Economics majors through diversity quota. That'll get rid of 80% of their Asian applicants overnight.

  107. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Yale, by far, has suffered the greatest reputation loss in the ascendancy of CS broadly among undergraduates as the prestige major, path to the biggest league.
     
    I'll have to agree with this. Yale used to be the nation's #2 school after Harvard. These days Stanford is #2 or even #1 to those who want to major in STEM. Per Princeton Review Stanford has been the #1 dream school of both students and parents for almost a decade running.

    In the "head to head match up" of which school students chose to attend if they were accepted to both, Stanford solidly beats out all schools and is the one school coming closest to beating out Harvard:
    https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php

    Example:

    Stanford vs. Harvard: 44% to 56%
    Stanford vs. Yale: 58% to 42%
    Stanford vs. Princeton: 71% to 29%
    Stanford vs. MIT: 70% to 30%

    Yale vs. Harvard: 32% to 68%
    Yale vs. Princeton: 61% to 39%
    Yale vs. MIT: 34% to 66%

    MIT vs. Harvard: 37% to 63%
    MIT vs. Princeton: 58% to 42%

    Yale loses out to Harvard, MIT, Stanford. Princeton loses out all 4.

    HYPSM should be HSMYP.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The weather is nicer at Stanford during the school year.

  108. @Anon
    Scott Galloway, professor at NYU Stern, gave an interesting interview where he envisioned post Covid19 we will end up with "Cyborg Universities", i.e. top universities like MIT, Stanford, Oxford etc. teaming up with top tech companies to offer online universities a large number of people, in the process causing a lot of universities (not in the top 50) to go out of business:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/scott-galloway-future-of-college.html


    The strongest brand in the world is not Apple or Mercedes-Benz or Coca-Cola. The strongest brands are MIT, Oxford, and Stanford. Academics and administrators at the top universities have decided over the last 30 years that we’re no longer public servants; we’re luxury goods.

    ...

    In the case of MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and Cal, people will say they’re sacrificing their standards to enroll more students. The reality is these schools can double or triple their enrollments without sacrificing anything in terms of their brands. Right now, their admissions officers are choosing between Magic Johnson and LeBron James. Every superstar in high school — and there are a lot — wants to go to these universities. We’re going to see schools slicing and dicing programming and product management, and they will have a new weapon: remote learning. The best universities are going to be able to expand enrollment dramatically, which will result in chaos for the tier-two and tier-three school. Nobody’s going to enroll in Pepperdine if they get into UCLA.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Nobody’s going to enroll in Pepperdine if they get into UCLA.”

    Has he seen where Pepperdine is located?

  109. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Alice


    Distinguished chem researchers are cancelled for asking if the lack of ability to really make grad students work long hours means we’ve stopped passing knowledge to the next research generation.
     
    Are you referring to the David Collum incident at Cornell?

    If so, you'll be happy to know he had enough backing at the highest levels to survive his cancelation.

    I concur that it is a mistake to think STEM is safe.

    Replies: @Alice

    No, I wasn’t, but I’m glad to hear about Collum. I was talking about Hudlicky.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-the-activists-are-now-stalking-the-hard-scientists

    People should be paying attention to newdiscourses.com

    and the math world in which 2+2=5.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  110. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Is there even a point to Ivy League schools offering CS and Engineering? Each year at least half of their graduating class go into Investment Banking or Management Consulting, while the other half probably go into politics, or on to law school or med school. Even Jeff Bezos who graduated from Princeton with a CS + EE degree ended up working in an investment bank on Wall Street, along with his wife who was an English major from Princeton. Lucky for us he decided early on he didn't want to waste his CS degree on IB. How many are seduced by the $ and ended up wasting their STEM degrees in IB and MC? Probably a lot.

    It's been said there is this thing called a "CS Vortex" at Stanford, where even those who have no interest in CS eventually get sucked into majoring/minoring in CS. At the Ivy League there is the IB Vortex and MC Vortex, all their top kids aim for either Wall Street Investment Banking or Management Consulting.

    Over 50% of Stanford kids graduate with a STEM degree each year, while the top majors at HYP are Social Sciences and Political Science. Saying that you have a CS or Engineering degree from Stanford or MIT gets you instant respect. Saying that you have such a degree from HYP (especially Yale) gets you no more (maybe less) respect than a similar degree from Cal or Michigan, or just a puzzled look, "they offer those majors?"

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If the Ivy League wants to get rid of their Asian problem, all they have to do is get rid of their CS and Engineering programs, and limit Biology and Economics majors through diversity quota. That’ll get rid of 80% of their Asian applicants overnight.

  111. @TomSchmidt
    @Jane Plain

    The election map ofBrooklyn glowed bright red for Trump in some of the Orthodox areas. They've been crapped on by DeBlasio, with him preening about shutting down funerals. Given the 3.3 children per woman they have compared to the .8 or so produced by Reform Jews, they're going to be the only Jews left in NY. I suspect they'll go strongly for Trump this year.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Suspect? Nope, for sure.

    De Blasio hates everyone except for masochistic woke whites and blacks.

    He’ll get his due: his daughter is batshit. Dunno about Dante.

  112. Blormpf optics. This will die a quiet death shortly after the election.

  113. @Twinkie
    @JohnnyWalker123


    discrimination against Non-Jewish White
     
    Unless this is recognized widely, crying about "anti-white racism"* at the Ivies is only going to lead to the Ivies packing in more academically underqualified Jews into the white slots ("You want more whites here? Okay, we are going to give you what you want...").

    With Jews, it's often "Heads I win, tails you lose."

    They get in "Because oppressed religious minority" and they get in "Because 'reverse-discriminated' white majority."

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    *And crying about "anti-Asian racism" at the Ivies isn't going to help East Asians. The Ivies already prefer South Asians as the GoodAsians, so if you want more "Asians," they will give more Indians to you good and hard.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @JohnnyWalker123, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor

    Hmmm, you seem more red-pilled than the last time I heard from you.

    Defund academia. Start with withdrawing public money from private universities.

    I agree, but I’d start with making student debt dischargeable. It’s a really simple step that is 1) nowhere near as radical as total de-funding 2) strikes people as eminently just and fair – why the fuck should colleges get special treatment that no one else gets, leading colleges to just piss away public money willy-nilly on money they don’t have to worry about recouping, on bullshit like women’s studies, black studies, and basketweaving degrees, all to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense as they discriminate openly against the biggest bloc of taxpayers, Whites 3) it isn’t actually de-funding anything, just requiring financial responsibility. And it appeals to everyone (students, taxpayers, idealists) but the corrupt and the decadent; it has a strong sense of “nobody’s taking anything from you, and nobody was forcing you to be a crook” about it.

    • Agree: Lurker
  114. On the other hand, de-funding colleges that don’t protect Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, religion, etc.) is another total winner (only the corrupt or their stooges would object). It’s also something the cuckservative, phony-conservative Supreme Court could do with the stroke of a pen, and should have done long ago; all federal funding must go through Congress (Constitutional law), “Congress shall make no law” “abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble” (Constitutional law); ergo, any federal law used to fund colleges that fail to protect First Amendment rights (Constitutional law), which would include a great many of them, is unconstitutional.

    As an aside, I would make similar arguments about any law granting tax breaks to companies that fail to uphold users’ Constitutional rights (Facebook, Google, Twitter, to name just a few – almost all social media companies/platforms are guilty, with a few notable exceptions like Gab).

    And both measures have the added bonus of being no threat to any institution that gets its mind right – comply with the new rules and behave like real Americans and you keep your funding or tax breaks.

  115. @Abolish_public_education
    the Supreme Court has held ..

    I am so sick and tired of these appeals to the “authority” of those politically appointed, lifetime tenure protected, lawyer-justices.

    The constitutional minimum, for SCOTUS, is *one* guy. Are we supposed to believe that the opinion held by one (OK, five to nine), agenda-filled lawyers, sitting in a courthouse thousands of miles away from half the US population, is of higher authority than the values expressed by the government institutions of all fifty states, and the wishes of 320M Americans (99% of them non-lawyers)?

    It’s just ridiculous.

    Having said that, the private colleges should stop mooching tax dollars. Then they can admit as many genius blacks, or idiot whites, as they want.

    Replies: @Dr. Dre

    I’m a 1960s graduate of what used to be one of the Seven Sisters female colleges. My school went co-ed c. 1970, along with a boatload of other formerly single-sex private colleges. I have been involved with fund-raising for the college for forty years. What the real crux of this affirmative action situation is that the minorities the schools have worked so hard to admit in recent years prove to be crap alumni donors. This is the secret that no law suit by the Justice Dept will unearth. If you bring it up at a conference, say a landmark reunion planning session at the school, you will be greeted by silence. A smaller, almost clicheed example of the problem is how poorly these “pet” minorities tip as customers in restaurants — something noticed by black servers who try to avoid having to wait on those tables! The schools obviously know this, so the whole admissions game is a real crap shoot, guided to a great extent by the development office. The minorities have to be balanced out by the Jared Kushner-type parents who understand the situation and are willing to pay to play. The Asians and Arabs get screwed by paying full-ride plus, so I’m not really counting them in this review.

    It’s also sad that the Ivies and other prestigious schools are skimming off African-American minority talent from a very shallow pool. Kids who would receive the right kind of academic attention leading to later success at the HBCUs are now supposed to succeed at Yale. (In a way I’m glad that Kamala Harris is a Howard U. grad.)

    How’s that working out? Just watch the videos included in this posting and see the festering resentment on both sides–of the kids who can’t cope with the expectations and the other students who resent the heck out of being made to feel guilty about attending a school that they feel a family attachment to as offspring of alums from many generations’ back. Those are the people who kept the places running, after all, and led to their high status–not necessarily because of great wealth either. Where do you think Ralph Lauren got the ideas for his empire of classic clothing? Yale fraternities and other clubs. Downplay the flashy. Legacy admission? Hell, yes. Better watch out if you don’t have those folks, because quicker than you can say “boola boola Eli Yale” if a school tips a little too down-market, word will be out in a minute and the students you want and their FAMILIES will be looking elsewhere. Also, it used to matter that as an alum you could proudly sing “For God, For Country and For Yale!” That counts bigly;-) Draft avoidance used to be a big no-no.

    One last question. If the Asians of whatever type are so darned smart and superior to the white racial stock, then how come they didn’t start similar institutions in their homelands? From what I read, China and India barely have tap water that can be consumed without becoming ill.

  116. @Buffalo Joe
    Sad the DOJ's press release capitalizes Asian but not white. Must get their style book from the nyt.

    Replies: @Gandydancer

    Sad the DOJ’s press release capitalizes Asian but not white. Must get their style book from the nyt.

    That IS odd, because the DOJ’s letter to Yale *does* capitalize White. (“…Asian American and White applicants…” https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1304591/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery)

  117. @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Unz doesn't deny that Latinos don't perform academically as well as whites/Asians. He simply points out that their crime rate isn't out of their proportion to the population.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Unz doesn’t deny that Latinos don’t perform academically as well as whites/Asians. He simply points out that their crime rate isn’t out of their proportion to the population.

    Dunno. I’ve had lots of conversations with Ron on this topic, and he seems to think that Mestizos/Amerinds are equal to Anglo-Whites in terms of potential IQ.

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