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This is actually not an implausible model. But why?

I can definitely see high density states like New Jersey being more pro-cat. But what’s the secondary effect with the climate?

For example, out on the Great Plains, why are there more dogs than cats in KS, OK, and TX, but more cats than dogs in the Dakotas and NE.

Are dogs more difficult to own in cold weather states? Nobody wants to walk the dog in January?

Or is it more a cultural effect, with dogs, perhaps hounds for coon hunting, being more popular in the Carolinas in Colonial times and spreading westward at similar latitudes?

 
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  1. I’m very surprised there is anywhere with more cats than dogs. That’s a bad sign in itself. I am sure that the decline in the ratio of dogs:cats is associated with general degeeration.

  2. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d like to see how this correlates with factors like apartment vs. houses, floor space in dwelling, overall square footage of dwelling and property.

    And then this might tie in to dogginess or cattiness:

    These cultural explanations, however, neglect the scholarly literature demonstrating that many economic variables predict trends in marriage and the family. One such variable, which government policy can influence, is home affordability. To my knowledge, the blogger Steve Sailer was the first person to make the connection between home values, marriage rates, and vote choice. However, the existing scholarly literature supported this hypothesis.

    Social scientists have noted the relationship between the availability of spacious housing and family size since at least the 1930s, and it makes intuitive sense. We typically associate marriage, and especially children, with single-family homes rather than apartments and condominiums. One does not need to be a scholar to make this connection; anyone who has spent time with multiple toddlers in a confined space knows why large families prefer large houses, ideally with yards.

    https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-marriages-and-mortgages-influence-election-outcomes

    And then tie in total per capita tonnage of owned motor vehicles: a heavy pickup means more probability of a dog; a Vespa means cat.

    There’s a Ph.D. thesis in here somewhere.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @LJ in FL
  3. Gee, now do one based on Bears and Snakes.

  4. Gordo says:

    Dogs Are for Trump, Cats for Biden

    Clearly, now tell us something we didn’t know.

    • Agree: polistra
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  5. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigmiaow.pl

    Then how can you explain owners of cats that look like Hitler? Aka ‘Kitler’.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  6. Altai says:

    OT:
    The sneaker store that got looted at he start of the George Floyd riots (And had been previously looted in late 2018) posted a video with more and better views of the car that rammed into it’s facade a few weeks ago.

    The SUV does a lot more damage than it looked like.

  7. @Anon

    “Dems are the real Nazis”.

    • Agree: tyrone
    • LOL: Cloudbuster
  8. Hodag says:

    So being a leftist can be explained as a side effect of Toxoplasmosis.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Thanks: nokangaroos, polistra, TWS, JimDandy
    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Brás Cubas
    , @Muggles
  9. Thoughts says:

    There is very little ideological difference between Cat Versus Dog Owners…most cat owners own dogs and vice versa

    The ideological difference comes from The Number of Cats One Owns If Thou Art Unmarried Female

    The liberal woman who has gone all Covid-Stalin has so many cats I can’t keep track of how many she has

    The worst liberals I know hate animals…all animals…cats especially

    So what’s really making the numbers work are those Single White Females who have 3+ cats

    And yes, cats are easy in cold weather…Dogs you need a lot of semi-grown kids to help shoulder the burden of caring for said dog during winter

    Dogs:
    A house
    Kids to play with it
    Money for lots of food
    Not a tough work schedule so you can run (self-employed), or a work schedule that allows you to take the dog with you

    These traits favor Conservatives.

  10. Thoughts says:

    I would look at average Age for your Dakotas & NE

    If we assume that all married cat lovers love dogs and all married dog lovers love cats…

    The only difference is…

    Climate and Age

    I don’t have a dog, but I will have a white retriever (or 2) when the kids get old enough to really appreciate having ‘Their Own Dog’

    Another possiblity is Family Farms

    You will have 2 dogs, but 10 cats just cuz someone needs to murder the mice at night

    Real Cats are great at keeping out the creepy crawlies!

    P.S. – You want to see fake cats…type in Cream Heroes in Youtube….

  11. @Kent Nationalist

    I’m not … the USA has become a nation of old, crazy cat ladies.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  12. @Altai

    I like all the mask-wearing muscle Marys in that clip.

  13. Franz says:

    Are dogs more difficult to own in cold weather states?

    No.

    But you’ll never believe how well a badass tabby can keep a barn clean of pests on a cold day in February near the shores of Lake Erie when a Nor’easter would knock a dog off its lazy ass.

    Why do you think Norse mythology has the Goddess Freya riding a chariot pulled by cats? Because dogs are lousy ratters in cold weather climates. QED.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  14. @Thoughts

    I waited until my daughters were “old enough to take care of the dog” at 10 and 12. The dog ended up being my responsibility (natch) , but they loved the dog.

    I should have gotten them a dog when they were 4 and 6. One of my few regrets. Do it earlier rather than later.

  15. AndrewR says:

    As a third positionist, I love both cats and dogs, and I hate both the kosher geezers up for election.

  16. It’s a lot more nuanced that what you see on that map. People will tell you that breeds are a social construct invented by dog owners, but there are definitely breedal voting patterns as determined by exit polling.

    – German Shepherds will vote almost bloc-like for White Nationalist candidates, of course.

    – Labradors vote conservatively and in large numbers in suburban precincts. They tend to vote along color lines, yellow for Oriental candidates, brown for Hispanic, black for black candidates, so long as they are all conservative, which means they mostly vote for white guys.

    – Golden retrievers, along with many labs too, and bird dogs of all sorts tend to vote absentee. They enjoy picking up the ballots and bringing them home. They will be instrumental in the Democrats’ effort this year to retrieve and drop, drop, no drop it! … off multiple ballots to the ballot deserts.

    – Minature poodles are the most tolerant and open-minded breed and will vote for AIDS-ridden homosexuals with 2 weeks to live.

    – Rotweilers are the only dogs not so racist as to avoid black candidates. The Øb☭ma campaign reached out, with a big stick, to Rotweilers throughout the ghettos and shelters. Their vote count is dependent very much on available transportation and free fried chicken.

    – Jack Russell terriers are used by both parties to round up stray voters and steer them to the polls. They are too hyper to vote themselves unless they are put on a diet of Qualudes for a week first.

    – The Boxer vote would be significant were it not for so many of their ballots being rejected for slobbered chads.

    .

    – Cats vote Libertarian almost to the cat, but that’s when they vote. Without catnip, tuna fish, or some other incentive, they prefer to sleep instead.

  17. Woodsie says:

    Problems with this model: number of pets per household will tilt towards cats, lots of folks have multiple cats, way more than multiple dogs. In the upper tier states with wide open spaces folks don’t register their dogs or go to the vet (dog gets sick, take it out back and give it the ol’ yeller treatment), but the town folk will take their cats to the vet.

    Thinking about this reminds me of a story my friend told me: when he was a kid the dog died, and his grandpa cut it open to find out why (swallowed a doorknob). Imagine that happening today? Somebody would call the cops and Pop-Pop would be sent to a psychiatrist!

  18. I grew up with cats and dogs and love them both. But the major difference between them is that dogs require a lot more attention, effort and maintenance than cats do. If you are the sort of person that cares about others to the extent that you are willing to turn that caring into action, you can be a dog person. If you are the sort of person that likes whining about things on Twitter, you are probably a cat person.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    , @James Speaks
  19. Dumbo says:

    Seems more to be a urban vs suburban/rural divide… Cats are more suited to living in small apartments, dogs for houses or farms. Also cats traditionally more female, dogs more masculine.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    We really are a nation of Pussies

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Troll: Corvinus
  21. OT but iStevey:

    L’Affaire Krug and Contemporary Wokeism
    The controversy over a white professor passing herself off as Black reveals an underlying contradiction in how we view race, Peter C. Herman writes.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/25/krug-controversy-reveals-contradiction-how-we-view-race-opinion

    It’s a long stream of bullshit about how race is socially constructed, except when our betters ( AKA Blacks) decide that it’s innate, and how that fits in with gender (socially constructed and a personal choice, totally!). There’s also a reference and link to what “Science” tells us:

    Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue
    Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/

    The worthless bum author:

    Peter C. Herman is professor of English literature at San Diego State University and author of Unspeakable: Literature and Terrorism from the Gunpowder Plot to 9/11 (Routledge, 2020).

  22. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  23. Barnard says:

    For example, out on the Great Plains, why are there more dogs than cats in KS, OK, and TX, but more cats than dogs in the Dakotas and NE.

    I haven’t seen any data, but a reasonable assumption in low population density states is that a lot of farmers have one dog and 3-6 outdoor cats. The cats kill mice and keep them out of the house, which becomes a significant problem in winter without them. There are a couple of people I know who fit that pattern. Even if the cities are 60-40 dogs this is going to tip the balance to cats.

    • Replies: @Sternhammer
  24. Gordo says:
    @Hodag

    So being a leftist can be explained as a side effect of Toxoplasmosis.

    Interesting, could well be worth investigaing further.

  25. Erik L says:

    Dog owners keep pets that love them. Cat owners project love onto, and suck up to, an animal that would eat them if it could.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Anonymous
  26. Travis says:

    Cats spread coronavirus and other diseases. Could be one reason the cat ladies go crazy.

  27. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    One confounding variable would be allergies– being allergic to cats is a lot more common than being allergic to dogs.

    If democrats / liberals are more prone to allergies than that would skew them back toward dog ownership relative to cats.

    There is also an ethnicity angle– Dogs living in the house are haram in Islam, so Muslims are a lot more likely to have cats than dogs (cats are allowed to live in the house). Interestingly where I live, in Texas, the shelters have to send the black cats that enter the rescue up North, because Hispanics won’t adopt a black cat, I guess due to superstition. They will adopt other colors of cat though.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of isolated young people who were cooped up for the COVID deal got a cat or dog to keep them company in their apartments and help deal with the social isolation.

  28. BenKenobi says:

    Good rule of thumb:

    Never trust a man that owns a cat.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Brutusale
  29. Good grief, I’m a cat lady who has never voted for a Democrat in my life. My older sister was attacked by a German Shepherd when she was small. When Laddie, the rough collie and farm dog passed away, we just had cats for pets. The whole dogs for conservatives and cats for liberal is just plain stupid. As to why there are more dogs in the south, you can house them outside in kennels easier during the winter. Plus there are a lot of feral cats in this world. They’ll live in towns and cities ( also in my barn) where there are few stray dogs and miscreant coyotes killing them. Cat populations will likely change with Antifa and BLM burning buildings and killing animals.

    Full disclosure I am getting a rough collie pup in the middle Oct. The cats are likely to kill me prior to this election. Hmm… maybe there is something to this after all.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  30. One rare SNL skit that dared poke fun of libs was the machine that reads dogs’ minds. The tough-talking little pooch turns out to be a big Trump fan, so the wokey scientists, including the dog’s owner, are freaking out. “But what about ‘choice,’” the female scientist wails. “You didn’t give me much ‘choice’ when you had me fixed,” the dog replies.

  31. Trinity says:

    I lived in Omaha, Nebraska for about a year and a half, and I lived in Florida for 20 friggin’ years and I saw far more dogs than cats in both cases. Of course a lot of people, especially in the city keep their cats inside if they give two shits about them, but it is still hard for me to believe there are more cats than dogs in Florida.

    Just about everyone in my neighborhood in Nebraska had a dog and I can think of only a couple of cat owners. Some guy had an Alaskan Malamute that he left outside in the winter and that poor thing would howl and howl. Nebraska winters can be cold even for an Alaskan Malamute.

    I call bullshit on Florida as well. The Tampa/Brandon/Lakeland area that I lived in for two decades was loaded with dog owners and we all know that I-4 corridor makes up a HUGE CHUNK OF FLORIDA VOTERS. Northern Florida is redneck country so that means there are tons of canines up there as well. They must have included stray or feral cats which I would often see at dumpsters behind restaurants. Those little boogers can breed and breed.

  32. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    https://claremontindependent.com/how-new-trump-executive-order-targeting-crt-may-affect-claremont-colleges/

    Read closely Trump’s anti-Critical Race Theory order seems to ban HBD, research and discussion of group differences in intelligence, and and anything that deviates from race blindness.

    I suppose all the non-woke stuff was already banned for all practical purposes, but this is an illustration of unintended side effects and the dangers of rushed regulation drafting.

  33. To which animal would a man rather subject himself: an uncomplicated and loyal friend or a fragile and abusive narcissist? I guarantee there’s a correlation between T and dog/cat ownership (among men at least and controlling for January temp), and in turn between T and D/R. Originated in hormones, the effects are culturally reinforced. This in addition to land. The impracticality of keeping dogs in NY highrises skews NY catwise.

    Cold weather states: note that the strict cat/dog model overpredicts D success (e.g. ID, UT, WY, SD). So yeah, probably because dogs can’t be walked in January.

  34. jamie b. says:

    What do the colors of Alaska and Hawaii represent? (I would have thought that Alaska is a dog state, and Hawaii is a cat state.)

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  35. Or is it more a cultural effect, with dogs, perhaps hounds for coon hunting, being more popular in the Carolinas in Colonial times and spreading westward at similar latitudes?

    Hunting is very popular in the northern reaches, but you only need one dog for that. “Dog states” run up the score with all those pitbulls behind chain-link, and small fleets of mutts underneath single-wide trailers.

  36. Trinity says:

    Any state that has a large Hispanic or Mexican population is bound to have tons of pit bulls and chihuahuas, you can take that one to the bank. I kind of doubt that there are more felines in Mexifornia than canines as well. And German shepherds, Alaskan malamutes, huskies and other breeds do the cold very well. Hell, even dogs with short hair like Dobermans, rottweilers and dachshunds, boxers, etc., do cold weather very well, lest we forget these breeds and others originated in Germany. Germany isn’t exactly a warm weather climate in the winter. And most people who live in states like Nebraska, North and South Dakota are born and bred there, so they can deal with the cold just like their dogs. When the temps dip to 40s in Florida, it is a wet cold, and feels just as cold as 20 degree temps in Nebraska. I would go around in short sleeves in Nebraska and the temps would be in the 40s. I still doubt that a state like Wyoming has less dogs than cats. I can’t even fathom that one.

  37. Alden says:
    @Thoughts

    Environmentalists hate cats because they kill so many birds.

  38. El Dato says:

    OT: Ronawatch

    More disturbing Corona-news (has COVID-19 actually been invented by thriller hack writers like Michael Crichton?)

    UK cancer charities warn of almost 50% Covid-induced drop in funding, but scientists worry virus itself may cause more tumors

    Also some disjointed thoughts on the disproportionally impacted Africa by Chris Sweeney. TL;DR Open your wallets!

    [MORE]

    Africa dodged the worst of Covid-19, but the aftermath will be devastating… and the rest of the world doesn’t seem to care

    In the world’s wealthiest nations, governments have bailed out businesses and insulated workers. That has allowed things to function in the midst of economic Armageddon. Across the world, large chains and well-known companies have gone to the wall, and without the shelter provided by central banks, the entire system could have collapsed. But this hasn’t happened in Africa.

    Hint: Money printing & distribution to pretend to oneself that one has reserves doesn’t mean the coffers are full or that one is rich. Quite the contrary.

    Speaking at the UN General Assembly this week, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, who also chairs the African Union, said: “The resources we have had to redirect to fighting the pandemic has set back our efforts to provide housing, health care, water sanitation and education to our people.”

    It has always been thus.

    Lynda Iroulo, a Nigerian research fellow at the Institute of Global and Area Studies, said: “African nations made the mistake of mimicking Western measures without considering local conditions. In Western nations, lockdowns were more feasible because the infrastructure is there and social welfare is available.”

    It has always been thus.

    The continent can’t get out of this hole alone. The developed world has to step up, but it doesn’t seem to want to.

    It has always been thus.

    There’s also the BLM movement to consider. Most world leaders – with the exception of Donald Trump – appear sympathetic, so they need to put their money where their mouths are if they really do think black lives matter.

    It’s not “their money”. Also, “Black Lives Matter” is about blacks in The West only.

    Our own war with Covid is far from over. But in times of adversity, you find out who you really are.

    Why aren’t you busy preparing for Lockdown II: Return of Lockdown Boris, Influenza Season and Post-Brexit Season?

  39. Alden says:
    @Thoughts

    Only lunatic dependent neurotic sissy boys or wish I had a real baby women take dogs to work.

    I don’t mind dogs but I despise the 80% of dog owners incapable of training their dogs. Owners of untrained badly behaved dominant over their owners dogs are always liberals.

  40. Muslims would seem to value cats, but consider dogs unclean. https://muslimconverts.com/pets/

  41. TWS says:

    Hunting with hounds is illegal in many states and hounds are notoriously not indoor critters with the exception of ones bred to be companion animals.

    Better focus would be house pets

  42. martin_2 says:

    Surely there must be more cats than dogs everywhere. One lady I know (who is a “horse lady” rather than a cat lady) has about ten wildish domestic cats running around her estate. One or two are housecats, the rest live outside.

  43. Paleoconn says:

    There are always more cats than dogs, as cat owners are more likely to have more than one. The question is which states have more cat *owners* than dog *owners*.

  44. Where did he get his dog and cat data? None of my dogs filled out a census form that I can recall.

    Also, I’ve lived in Idaho and I call B.S. on that being a cat state. (Unless you count feral cats).

    • Agree: Trinity, Sollipsist
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  45. Aardvark says:
    @Altai

    Yes, but according to AOC, people might have been afraid to pay their rent so they felt like they might need to shoplift some bread. Since it is instinctive for some people to try to shoplift bread from Niketown or Best Buy, perhaps this person mistakenly thought that they had drive through bread service. You know, in case you could trick them in to handing the bread through the window first and then you would simply drive off without paying.

  46. Democrats steal Steve Sailer idea

    ‘Democrats prepare bill limiting U.S. Supreme Court justice terms to 18 years’
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-termlimits-idUSKCN26F3L3

    Steve’s original suggestion of 22 years sounded better, tho I would mandate retirement by age 70

  47. @The Alarmist

    “old, crazy cat ladies”

    You’re working off old data. Crazy cat ladies are dying off. They’ve been replaced by white dog moms. Lots of white dog moms in antifa, indoctrinating your kids in CRT in the schools, and deciding which project gets greenlit. By comparison, cat ladies were harmless eccentrics. Unless you got trapped in their house.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  48. @Thoughts

    There is very little ideological difference between Cat Versus Dog Owners…most cat owners own dogs and vice versa.

    We don’t own them. They own us!

    Other than working dogs and mousing cats, pets are welfare cases. Dogs are more high-maintenance. They’re good at scaring off intruders, but if you require that service, you live in the wrong neighborhood.

    • Agree: Alden
  49. Michael S says:

    So in order to ensure a Trump landslide, all we have to do is euthanize a bunch of cats? Sign me up!

  50. CPK says:

    Question one: How reliable are the data? I’m reminded of studies of dog breeds that get numbers from AKC registrations — which is misleading because AKC registrations aren’t a random sample of dogs of different breeds.

    That aside…

    One possibility: Barn Cats. Farms, stables, etc. will keep cats around for natural pest control. For shelters, this has become a way of unloading cats who are too ornery to be good house pets, but also aren’t quite feral enough to survive on their own.

    Doesn’t explain why they’d be more common farther north, admittedly…

    • Replies: @Trinity
  51. Cido says:

    There are relationships between personality and favorite pet animals.
    Dog people are more conscientious, disagreeable and conservative. People that like cats are more open, neurotic and liberal.

  52. “All dogs look up to you. All cats look down on you. Only the pig looks at you as an equal” ~ Winston Churchill

  53. Abe says:

    Let me preface this by saying I am not really a pet person (before PetSmart singularly infuriated me with a BLM solidarity email this summer they regularly infuriated me with promotional emails referring to my pets as “fur babies”- anyone who calls their animals “fur babies” or themselves a “fur parent” I want to meet with IRL immediately to punch in the face).

    So with that off my chest, I have to say do yourself a favor and get a cat-dog AKA puppy-cat. These are one of several breeds of cats who, while unremarkably catlike in most respects, come with anomalously dog-like personalities. The clean, modern form-factor of a cat with none of that pesky psychotic cat-like behavior!

    We acquired a Siberian forest cat recently as a hand-me-down from a friend who didn’t want it anymore (a real steal, as I subsequently found it cost $1000) and even before I learned about this puppy-cat miracle we could tell he was something special (for example, back before COVID shut down the schools we noticed he’d wait every day at the front door for the kids to come home). So like I said, do yourself a favor…

    • Replies: @Aeronerauk
    , @Anonymouse
    , @3g4me
  54. Try doing this with cats.

  55. @Abe

    I didn’t realize there was a name for cats like this, or that they could be bred that way!

    My childhood cat, really, all of my adolescence the damn thing was several years older than me and lived into my college years, was agreeable like this. A stray, so he definitely wasn’t bred that way, he nonetheless actually enjoyed the company of people. Never scratched or hissed unless you really messed with him.

    On the topic of Dog people Vs Cat people, pieces of shit and genuine saints own both. Doesn’t seem like an accurate metric.

  56. @Kent Nationalist

    There are more cats than dogs in the US.

    Cats are closer to their ancestral stock.

    Dogs are pack animals.

    Dogs enjoy rolling in other critters’ poop.

    Both make fine pets.

    People make fine dog-like pets to their governments.

  57. Maybe dogs have a hard time knowing what a ballot box is:

    Ballots in Pennsylvania Were Found in the Trash. They Were All Votes for Trump.

    Or maybe the cats in Pennsylvania are throwing away the dogs’ ballots.

  58. I have two questions on the counting:

    Do they count feral animals? I suspect that feral cat colonies up the cat numbers considerably, while wild dogs are quickly found and put down. However, I suspect they do not.

    Secondly, do they count multi-pet homes? As “Thoughts” noted above, it’s probably the single liberal females with 3+ that would skew the numbers. Other than a college roommate who raised Alaska sled dogs for racing, I don’t know that I know someone with more than 3 dogs, with the mean average closer to 1 than 2. But I know lots of families with more than 1 cat, guessing a median of 3 likely.

  59. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump/Kushner regime moving toward making frigging Juneteeth a national holiday:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-juneteenth-national-holiday

    IF THE KUSHNERISTS WIN THEY WILL GO LEFT LEFT LEFT IN THE SECOND TERM

    • Replies: @El Dato
  60. Cats are half-feral killers who mostly want to be left alone. They protect their turf and fight their own kind if their turf is invaded. They can bond with each other, but not in large packs. They mostly eat, sleep, groom, and hunt, and sleep more. I doubt they are for any Democrat or have ever been for one.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  61. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Only 24 hours to go to scotus nominee and we’re gonna either get a corporatist covid lockdown queen or Marco Rubio’s obscure wildcard Cuban lady? Or maybe an even more obscure woman still in her 30s? WTF. HOW IS THIS HAPPENING…

    Does everyone realize that supposedly conservative Ronald Reagan promised to put the first the woman on the Supreme Court during the campaign? Meaning Sandra Day was not simply a natural part of the nominee search process.

    What a politically correct asshole Reagan really was and Trump is repeating the mistake? Will he repeat the 86 Reagan amnesty also?

    UP YOURS, DONNY.

    Watch Trump put a cherry on top of this shit show by rolling out a disastrous election year vaccine just like Gerald Ford did.

  62. @Abe

    >we noticed he’d wait every day at the front door for the kids to come home

    I had a cat like that that didn’t cost $1000. If I remember correctly, I got him free.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  63. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Question for dog owners: Why would anyone want amounts to severely deformed, autistic child who can smell cancer, leap yards up into the air, but never progresses beyond the mental age of 2, and is addicted to licking its own asshole?

    People who do, I believe are expressing an active gene that compels them to dominate the wretched. Most people suffer from it. I don’t. I’ve never felt the need to “own” a living creature. What owning a dog or cat adds up to is, a legal slave. Not exactly a top-notch slave, but a slave expected to be at the exclusive service of it’s master just the same.

    Furthermore, if you just happen to die in your home alone, rest assured your cute little Pomeranian or mutt cat will be feasting on your face every day until the police arrive for a safety check. Records show your little slave is inclined to eat you simply if you’re passed out drunk, or commit suicide.

    I have no aspirations to lord over my little cadre of miscreants like some crazy asshole on a low-rent Island of Dr. Moreau.

    Besides, the miscreants are not to be trusted. One visit to the hundreds of miserable, terrified wretches begging for mercy at a city pound easily proves we don’t deserve their trust. Simply by not speaking out, we collectively commit awful acts against cats and dogs, fueled purely for our vanity, and pathetic need to exercise power over others, every single day a city pound is in business.

    It’s no wonder they instinctively choose vengeance upon our faces, and very innards when the tables are turned to their one-time advantage.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/natashaumer/cats-eat-your-face-after-you-die

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dogs-eat-owner-woods-put-down-virginia-a8119331.html

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @anon
    , @rational actor
    , @Pontius
  64. I have to say do yourself a favor and get a cat-dog AKA puppy-cat. These are one of several breeds of cats who, while unremarkably catlike in most respects, come with anomalously dog-like personalities. The clean, modern form-factor of a cat with none of that pesky psychotic cat-like behavior!

    I’ve had two cats like that, one in the 1970s, and the one I have now. They are far superior to ordinary cats. When I go to bed every night around 3, I just stand by the backdoor and call his name, wait a moment, and he invariably shows up, just like a dog would do. And then we go to bed together (if that sounds pathetic, please keep in mind that I’m a recent widower, so I find it comforting to slumber with my cat).

  65. @SunBakedSuburb

    You’re right, old data. I haven’t lived in the US for decades. Heck, I still think CRT stands for Cathode Ray Tube.

  66. @Thoughts

    Dogs have owners, cats have staff.

  67. Trinity says:
    @CPK

    Nah, this survey or poll is just like the rest of the shit we are told, it is pure horseshit. I am definitely a dog person but cats are alright. Plenty of outside cats in the rural Deep South that are used as pest control or just are taken in because people start to feed them. Of course MOST of the time these former strays are kept outside because they prefer it that way, occasionally people will turn them into house cats. I had an uncle and an aunt who lived in the country and they must have had 10-12 cats at any given time living and eating there. They would just place a few pans of cat food and fresh water outside and presto, cats show up. Of course, they NEVER took these cats to the vet either or let them inside the house either, just fed them, provided fresh water and whatever happened to them, happened, some died, some disappeared, some might have been attacked by a coyote, some might have been squashed by a car, some had kittens, etc. They had but one dog but it was taken to the vet and stayed inside most of the time. It would be hard to say that the cats were even “pets” like their dog, they were just useful residents who MIGHT occasionally kill a rodent or even a snake.

  68. @Thoughts

    My cat has brought a half dead flying squirrel and a magically reanimated dead mouse into the house in the past 6 days.
    The dog has reorganized two rooms hunting them down.

    I think that ties in with Sailer’s point.

  69. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi

    Never trust a man that owns a cat.

    Don Corleone in the Godfather kept a cat.
    In his way, he was trustworthy.

  70. Rosie says:

    Are dogs more difficult to own in cold weather states? Nobody wants to walk the dog in January?

    Yes. In hiking weather, dogs are more fun. Cats shine in curling-up-by-the-fire-and-reading-a-book weather. In bad weather, you feel guilty about your dog being cooped up. In nice weather, you feel guilty about leaving your cat for the day.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  71. Rosie says:
    @Anonymouse

    I had a cat like that that didn’t cost $1000. If I remember correctly, I got him free.

    I have adopted cats out of my trash can, and I’ve paid >1K for cats. Of the former, all have been good, and a few wonderful. Of the latter, all have been wonderful, the only problem being that all that affection comes with a price. They don’t like it when you leave the house for long periods, and they’re too needy to have more than one at a time.

  72. Dan Smith says:

    My wife and I are outliers. Live in Minnesota, own six cats, voting for Trump.

  73. @Hypnotoad666

    ” None of my dogs filled out a census form that I can recall.”

    The cat filled it out for them. Several times.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  74. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    When I was little I assumed all cats were females and all dogs were male. Obviously dogs and cats come in both sexes (duh!) but in my childlike naiveté I suppose I saw cats as being feminine creatures and dogs as masculine so that’s how I came to my silly belief.

    OT: Trump reportedly will nominate Amy Comey Barrett for SCOTUS.

    I wouldn’t get too thrilled about this if immigration, AA, et al. are your big concerns since she has two adopted Haitian children (Although her Wiki entry notes 2 recent immigration cases where ACB voted as a conservative).

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  75. AndrewR says:
    @Franz

    What? There’s no argument to be had: worse winters = tougher dog ownership. I often have to shovel a huge area in the back yard to let the dog excrete after a heavy snow. And of course walking a dog is more difficult in the snow, and more unpleasant in the cold. But life in general tends to be more difficult during a cold, snowy winter. I wouldn’t discourage anyone from getting a dog just because they experience harsh winters.

    • Replies: @Franz
  76. 3g4me says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    @22 Steve in Greensboro: Bit of a harsh judgment. I love both dogs and cats – at other people’s houses. Recently took care of my daughter-in-law’s dog for 3 days. A sweet old guy, and my younger son loved him, but having to get up early to walk him and having him stare at me mournfully whenever I ate anything got old. Since I do feel a sense of responsibility to keep the pet mentally and physically healthy, I won’t just let it sleep around all day out of boredom, but that means more work for me. If you are the sort of person who needs constant company and affirmation, get a dog. If you prefer to be left alone, enjoy others’ pets.

    • Replies: @Anon
  77. Just today I almost got attacked by a dog. It wouldn’t have even come near me, if it knew how easily and cheerfully I would have improved the neighborhood with a flick of the wrist. Shit animals for shit people.

  78. AndrewR says:
    @Erik L

    Ridiculous. Cats can be very affectionate. And like probably almost all mammals, they require social contact to stay happy. I’ll never forget how happy my cat was to see me when I got home once after leaving her for three days. It wasn’t because she lacked any physical necessities. Then when I went out to my car briefly and had to leave her in the apartment for a few minutes, she sounded absolutely devastated

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  79. 3g4me says:
    @Abe

    @57 Abe: We had a partly/mostly Maine Coon Cat when I was a teen – smartest thing you’ve ever seen.

  80. AndrewR says:
    @Rosie

    My cat insists on excreting outside, despite having a clean litter box available to her in the house. Usually it’s not a problem but when it is raining hard for a long time or when it is unusually cold, she tortures herself by holding it in as long as she possibly can. I feel so bad for her but I can’t make her use the litter box nor can I change the weather.

  81. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s just like having a Megan & Harry, but from USA.

    The world-saviorism allied to ignorance and arrogance is strong.

  82. @Barnard

    Barnard is on it. I’ve spent a lot of time in Lincoln and Omaha, and dogs vastly outnumber cats there. But you get out in farm country, and everyone has cats in their multiple barns, and grain silos need lots of cats. This needs to be broken down so apartment cats and barn cats are different treated differently.

    Mother-in-law grew up on the farm in Iowa. They had 4-5 dogs, but dozens of cats.

  83. Franz says:
    @AndrewR

    No.

    I make no argument against dogs. Only that cats, in winter, are automatically protected by their coats provided by Nature and that they will kill the rats (etc.) as they would in any other season.

    It’s a case of efficiency and division of labor: Killing pests is the only thing cats-in-a-barn are good for. Why use expensive poisons and traps when you get all the benefits without the expense or hazards in one furry bundle?

    I get mine a can of sardines when the rat population dips too low for his belly. It’s cheap and for a few hours he thinks I’m a Greek god. But he won’t touch the sardines if a rat’s around. Nature has a great sense of proportion.

  84. I think this whole discussion is a bit off track. The true “conservative” issue is not in dogs vs. cats, it’s in animals as useful helpers vs. animals as pets.

    A mere pet that is there only for ersatz companionship or status signaling is a waste. They absorb resources and mess up public spaces. Conservatives ought to be working to make the whole idea of pets unfashionable, but I see almost nothing ever written on this topic.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  85. My cat’s mail-in ballot was ‘disappeared.’

  86. Jerry S says:

    What’s the deal with Mormons and cats?

  87. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You need to think less and become a more normal person.
    It is normal for people to have working and quasi-social relationships with animals.
    Animals are not “the wretched” or “autistic children” or “slaves” – they are animals.
    One of the signs of the insanity of our age is that people get all bent out of shape over centuries-old customs around animals, like hunting them, eating them, working with them, becoming emotionally attached to them.
    Your remarks are not healthy.
    In a sane world I would ignore your comment, but in the current era you may be our President someday.

  88. @Sioux County Guy

    Exactly! Hence, they would vote Libertarian if they didn’t get distracted on the way to the polls, kind of like a certain President I know about.

  89. @Anonymous

    I wouldn’t get too thrilled about this if immigration, AA, et al. are your big concerns since she has two adopted Haitian children

    I am so freaking sick of hearing absolute idiots on this site bleat out this moronic garbage over and over again. Just because somebody has adopted two Haitian children does not mean that they are willing to use their judgeship to flood the country with immigrants. The two things are not even remotely related.

    How many of the activist judges who work tirelessly to keep the borders open have adopted any children?

    Is the point clear now, idiot?

  90. @Hodag

    There is a Brazilian rightwing writer who espouses a similar theory:

    The translation of his tweet is: “It can only be toxoplasmosis. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for anyone to fail to realize that that the political promotion of the Lumpenproletariat Is the legalization of crime and the criminalization of law?”

  91. Trinity says:

    NEVER TRUST ANYONE WHO DOESN’T LIKE ANIMALS.

    Animal lovers are more often than not some of the best folks around, anyone who doesn’t like animals, especially dogs and horses, are more often than not some of the biggest assholes around. WHY do you think little kids love animals, especially dogs so much? Because little kids are still innocent and the world hasn’t had time to fill their heads with hate and other baggage yet. A little one will naturally gravitate to a puppy and vice versa.

  92. @Anonymous

    After reading that I feel like someone on a blind date who has just excused themselves to use the toilet but is really looking for the back door of the pub.

  93. Corvinus says:

    “Donald was not a dog fan,” ex-wife Ivana confirmed in her memoir Raising Trump, recalling his hostility to her poodle, Chappy, who would “bark at him territorially”.

    NOTICE Trump is phobic when it comes to germs, so it is likely that he views mutts as carriers of disease. Consider also that dogs generally obey their masters, and Trump’s temperament is disobedience. Besides, dogs steal the show with their cuteness and fuzziness, so why in the hell would a hyper-vain dude like Trump even want a canine even sniffing around him? Interesting how he referred to Marco Rubio as “sweating like a dog” in 2016, and stated how Mitt Romney “choked like a dog” against Obama in 2012, which seems to be further evidence of his disdain for man’s best friend.

    The unvarnished truth Mr. Sailer unquestionable understands but dare not reveal to his adoring fans is that in the Trump world, EVERY relationship is transactional. Those whom he associates with possess value ONLY in relationship with their acumen to personally benefit him, even if it means at their own expense. Kellyanne Conway and Kayleigh McEnany are prime examples.

    Hmmm, I wonder if in private moments he refers to them with a euphemism for female dog, one that he should be able to grab ’em by the p—– whenever he wants?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  94. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    Hate to break it to you, but Trump is not a fan of dogs. But at least you will make a great pet for him someday.

  95. BB753 says:

    I say, let’s cats and dogs decide the election! Let them vote!

  96. @Steve in Greensboro

    Agree, but the implication is that Trump voters are actually the more civic minded, being willing to shoulder responsibility and manage the dependent but lovable and loving beasts. Except for Dachshunds. They suck.

    Cat lovers are selfish and delusional. They like to think they have a loving relationship with their little pussy but it’s all about self gratification.

  97. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    If Trump ever gets around to issuing his long-rumored Executive Order on birthright citizenship do you think it’ll it be a foregone conclusion that Amy Comey Barrett will vote “our” way like Alito and Thomas or will she be a wild card like Roberts and for conservatives another roll of the dice ? Adopting children from Haiti shows to me she lacks an awareness of human biodiversity and could be prone to Sandra Day O’Connor wishful thinking- like say 25 more years of AA will be enough to close the achievement gap (that’s what O’Connor said in 2003 upholding AA).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  98. I may have told this story before here, so apologies in advance.

    I reluctantly have two Russian Blue cats who are brothers. When I met my girlfriend two years ago, she could not find a home for them because her roommate would not allow them in the house. I made her give them away to some crazy lady in northern LA county and two days later, they were found a mile away hiding under a shed of some stranger. They managed to cross a busy highway and hide themselves away from that crazy woman. Luckily they were chipped so the the stranger took them to the vet and the vet contacted my girlfriend. It was a miracle we got them back, and I vowed never to let them out of my sight out of pure guilt. I was never a cat person, but they grew on me.

    Growing up my family always had a cat or two, but they were constantly eaten by coyotes. I was and still am a dog person who has had many dogs; but these cats are very social and wait for me at the front door every night I come home from work. They constantly need affection and I would not give them up for anything. They act more like dogs, probably because of the breed. They’re only an inconvenience when I trek down to Mexico for a few days and need looking after. I can’t let them outside because of the 200,000 cars that drive down my busy street every day. They are ideal animals and loyal companions for urban apartment living.

    All I am saying is not all cat owners have the same political leanings.

  99. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me

    Your son got married? Congrats.

  100. @Thoughts

    Another possibility is Family Farms

    I usually have no more than three dogs on the farm (currently two), and I currently have three cats, but I think our high water mark was five cats. Three of those were barn cats at the time.

    Only twice in my life have we ever sought out a cat: my wife picked one up at a yard sale when we were first married (really!) and a friend of mine’s cat had kittens when my oldest daughter was about nine and we let her keep one.

    Every single one of the other cats — and there have been many — was dropped off by the side of the road, just showed up at the farm unannounced or was foisted on us by “friends” (and I use the term loosely) who decided that they couldn’t keep the cat anymore and “you have so much space on the farm, surely you can take just one more cat!” (Me, mentally: “There’s so much space on your kitchen floor, surely you don’t mind if I take one little crap on it.”)

    All our dogs, on the other hand, except one, have been deliberate acquisitions. The exception turned out to be one of the best dogs I ever owned. He has a long and exciting story, but maybe another time.

  101. @Bill Jones

    The cat filled it out for them. Several times.

    But identified all the dogs as cats.

  102. @Trinity

    Yeah, and that’s why I am really enjoying this comment thread, Trinity. (The map itself is pretty bogus, being based on bad data, if you ask me.) Cats, dogs, and whatever else, Americans and the European people in general really love animals. I should qualify that by saying that maybe people love them the same in other parts of the world, but that sure don’t treat ’em like they do.

    We know about some of the Latin Americans, but I’ve also seen people in the Orient treat animals very badly. I didn’t even want to be around to see that. I wrote about that in “Cats, bats, and spoiled brats” (at the beginning of this Kung Flu panic), along with the observation that it takes quite a bit of assimilation for foreigners from those locales to understand how we think of our pets and to feel the same.

    We got a cat from the shelter who is also surprisingly people-friendly. He wants us to go outside with him, if possible, and will take walks with us. He takes an amazing amount of playful abuse from our 9 y/o boy. You know he’s not really scared or pissed (he’s also never ever hissed), when he doesn’t hide, but comes back for more. I’ve got videos of the kid taunting the cat with his foot, and the cat will then chase him down, jump up and claw him and bite him in the ass. I imagine I could get a sponsorship from Mutual of Omaha.

    Oh, we’re all Conservatives and/or Libertarians, so screw that noise.

    .

    PS: One more thing. It seems like the Brimelow family are cat people, if not swinging both ways: Here.

  103. @Intelligent Dasein

    If we’re talking about SC decisions related to immigration, I trust VDare for the full story, even over you, I.D.

    Here are “Washington Watcher II”‘s takes on the big picture of all possible nominees from a week back and the situation if it’s definitely gotta be a woman, with the scoop on Barrett and a “dark horse” named Bridget Bade, who would be excellent (per WW-II).

  104. @Corvinus

    Interesting how he referred to Marco Rubio as “sweating like a dog” in 2016, and stated how Mitt Romney “choked like a dog” against Obama in 2012, which seems to be further evidence of his disdain for man’s best friend.

    Comedy gold. The maudlin tone, the hapless pooch imagery, Trump’s disgust at his housebroken opponents, everything.

  105. Muggles says:
    @Hodag

    So being a leftist can be explained as a side effect of Toxoplasmosis.

    Brilliant!

    That also explains the unusual interest in witchcraft among the Dem insider elites.

    Quick, someone warn the Podestas!

  106. Interesting. I have a dog and a cat, and I’m not even going to bother with voting in this election. Did their energies cancel each other out?

  107. MBlanc46 says:
    @AndrewR

    Cats are definitely social animals that bond closely with their humans.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  108. If you live in the country, you have to have dogs to keep the cougars and coyotes away, otherwise they’ll get all your cats. I like both cats and dogs, but have a very strong dislike for dog owners who can’t seem to train their animals. Cats don’t really require much training.

  109. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting. I have a dog and a cat, and I’m not even going to bother with voting in this election. Did their energies cancel each other out?

    Vote for Trump you stupid bastard!

    • Troll: Corvinus
  110. Lagertha says:

    This is such utter bullshit, Steve, and I know you are just laughing your butt off! First of all, you did not count the millions of cats that are unwanted/feral/living in shelters. There are very few feral dogs, and, adoptions have gone thru the roof for shelter AND unwanted dogs because of Covid!

    I grew up rural, and, there were definitely more “family” dogs, hunting dogs, and guard dogs than cats, which were useful to keep in the barn to keep the mouse population down.

    I do believe that a more objective map would be of horse owners (almost, all Republicans) and non-horse owners. Live Free or Die makes more sense for horse owners. Horses are expensive, and you don’t drop them off in shelters in suburbs or cities when you tire of them.

  111. @Kent Nationalist

    No, dogs are the animal of degenerates. The Islamic world is the most based and has a strong preference for cats over dogs, as Muhammed was said to be quite fond of cats.

    Dog people = matriarchal cucks, drug addicts, professional wrestling fans

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  112. @Gordo

    Our cat is definitely against open borders (of our property) and has the battle scars to prove it. She also likes law and order rather than unruly mobs. Based on her choice sleeping locations being where it’s warm to hot, she’s probably okay with global warming. She also agrees with dogs that American cows and chickens losing meat producing jobs to China for dogs and cats is not good.

  113. @Trinity

    Germany has a mild, temperate climate. South Dakota experiences subarctic temperatures on the regular.

  114. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erik L

    This is naive. Your dog ‘loves’ you because you feed it and are bigger than it. That’s how dog society works.

    Stop feeding your ‘loving’ dog and it WILL eat you.

    If your dog was bitten by a radioactive spider and became horse-sized overnight, it probably wouldn’t eat you, but it would expect you to become the ‘loving’ partner in the relationship, and would not hesitate to attack you if failed to show due respect.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Sollipsist
  115. Brutusale says:
    @BenKenobi

    Spoken like someone who never had a cat for a pet. Dogs have owners; cats have staff. Cats all carry a bit of the jungle in their DNA, which makes them more unpredictable. Have you ever seen any misguided sort try to train a cat?

    I can tell you that visitors were much more fearful of my 23-pound Maine Coon than they were of my Collie/Shepherd mix. Even the dog was wary around him; one swipe from the Coon’s large, polydactyl paw will adjust any dog’s attitude.

  116. Thirdtwin says:

    Maybe a good model, but remember: The cat is on the roof. The dog is not.

  117. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “If Trump ever gets around to issuing his long-rumored Executive Order on birthright citizenship do you think it’ll it be a foregone conclusion that Amy Comey Barrett will vote “our” way like Alito and Thomas…”

    Ironic, considering that nativists way back in the day sought to deny Italian immigrants birthright citizenship, as well Southrons who were dead opposed to blacks obtaining it as well. But, magic dirt it is!

    “Adopting children from Haiti shows to me she lacks an awareness of human biodiversity…”

    I would say a person who provides those youngsters a hearth and home could care less about the alleged “facts” of human biodiversity, and deservedly so.

  118. Ian Smith says:

    I love cats and dogs equally. I’m doing a write-in vote for Tulsi. 🧐

    • Replies: @36 ulster
  119. 36 ulster says:

    As members of another of the Orangeman’s niche groups, Cat People for Trump, Gwen and I eagerly await the next series of Trump rallies.

  120. 36 ulster says:
    @Ian Smith

    Cry your beloved country, Ian.

    • Thanks: Ian Smith
  121. Pontius says:
    @Anonymous

    GFY.

    I lived with a flat-coated retriever who turned into a dog-of-lead (i.e. you couldn’t budge her) at the foot of my bed when I was waylaid with any illness. Another little Shepherd-mutt mix would pine piteously at the door to my bedroom when I left on holidays. He was the unlucky recipient of the most vile abuse imaginable until he was thrown out of a moving car onto a highway in the middle of winter in Ottawa. He was days away from being destroyed until my friend saw him at the shelter when she went to retrieve her wayward malamute. He leapt into her arms we he saw her, which was a sharp departure from his understandably anti-human behavior up to that point. He was the one who taught me how to love dogs. His picture is one of the very few which grace the walls of my home.

    I am now at he sad point of trying to determine whether or not it is the proper time to put down my latest best friend. He is a stunningly beautiful Malamute-Rottweiler cross who is suffering from a degenerative hip and joint degenerative condition.

    They live just long enough to steal your heart.

  122. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    My 110lb American bulldog could eat me now if he took a mind to even though I weigh twice as much. Despite being an old fart of 59 years old I am definitely stronger than the average man and that includes people 30 years younger than me. Male Rottweilers, American bulldogs ( mainly the Scott, the Johnson is more docile), and other breeds are known for testing their dominance over their owner from time to time. My big guy is no problem and even tolerates 2 tiny dachshunds and a dachshund mix nipping his tail and ears. Believe me, “Diesel” could eat the 3 dachshunds anytime he wished and they don’t feed him, and he could destroy his 224lb owner in a New York minute if he truly wanted to as well. Humans are weak, slow, and easy prey for even many large and medium size dogs much less wild animals. Consider the average pit bull might weigh between 55-70lbs and would put a serious hurting on an unarmed 200lb healthy adult male if it latched onto the unlucky guy.

  123. LJ in FL says:
    @Anon

    Good analogy, Repubs are dogs & dog owners as they let their pet crap anywhere & only clean it up 50% of the time. Current president will be leaving loads of crap for the next president to clean up. Obviously if Trump wins, crap will continue for another 4 years. Our conservative citizens are starting to resemble Germans when Hitler rose to power to goad them into extreme hatred. Rallies are the proof.
    Democrats are like cats & cat owners. They’re neat & tidy, use a litter box & generally have good hygiene. They won’t tuck in behind some person/politician spewing crap! And won’t smell it like a dog!
    I work in the home health medical field & have to worry if my patients or their families have Covid-19 with potential to give it to others. Some people complain about wearing a mask & social distancing. I wear a mask 4-6 hours a day & when I go out. 30-60 minutes a days wearing one would be a holiday to me. USA may never defeat Covid-19 due to ignorance people have towards a pandemic virus. Our FL governor is a Trump clone & is very unpopular due to pushing to drop virus prevention measures even if it costs lives. FL has 698 thousand positives & almost 14 thousand deaths. Funeral home owners are seeing $$$$$.

  124. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Cats are far more important for farmers than dogs. We had a big black hairy Persian Tom who used to drag home weasels and rabbits he killed. Rabbits destroy gardens. Cats can kill rabbits Cats can jump into trees and kill fruit tree rats as well as barn and corn crib rats.

    Friend had a cat that actually guarded the garden all summer and fall.

  125. @planta rosa productions XL

    Dogs are the best kind of animal.
    Lovers are the best kind of human.
    Therefore, dog lovers are the best kind of human.
    ___________________

    This past Thursday, for a lawsuit I have against them, I deposed Heidi Beirich, formerly of the Southern Poverty Law Center, via video.
    In the background, you could see her cat.
    In the background, you could see my dog.

    Q.E.D.

  126. @jamie b.

    Hawaii has very weak laws regarding puppy mills, which is weird because they have strict regulations about importation (with good historical reasons). There’s a lot of legal gray area breeding on agricultural land, which is exempt from the residential 10 dog limit. They also have low (pretty much no) incidence of rabies.

  127. @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s a utilitarian argument, and a solid one — but not necessarily a conservative one.

    For the religious conservatives, animals can be an ideal illustration of God’s grace and the commandment to be a caretaker for His creations. I’m not a religious person myself, but I find that kind of outlook inspiring and worth preserving.

    For family-oriented conservatives, the care of animals can certainly help with developing habits of discipline and responsibility. They provide valuable hands-on lessons about things like the necessity of authority, the importance of resource management and population control. Not all of us have the great fortune of growing up in farm or ranch country, so “useless” animals have to do.

    For me personally, observing the behaviors and breeding of animals has led to more conservative than liberal conclusions about the world in general. For example, I’m not sure how anyone familiar with the differences between dog breeds can possibly entertain the nonsense about race (physically and behaviorally) being purely a social construct. Or deny how mixing them (socially and physically) is more likely to be detrimental to both.

    And watching how animals behave in general helps to clear a lot of intellectual clutter about the fundamental motivations and instincts common to all animals, including humans. Once you realize just how much of our mental energy is wasted in justifying, rationalizing, and redirecting animal urges (as opposed to understanding and allowing for them), many things become clear. You can easily dismiss the liberal dependence on academic critique and psychology, and you attain a healthy skepticism toward foundational artificial concepts such as the “noble savage,” natural rights, or inherent altruism.

    I don’t expect or intend to persuade you; just wanted to offer some insight as to why a conservative might not be opposed to mere pets.

  128. @Trinity

    I would agree, except that I’ve treated many animals who suffered from children’s attention. There are an awful lot of innocents out there whose mischief and curiosity looks a lot like sociopathic torture, and definitely casts doubt on the idea that love is something that children are naturally born with.

    • Agree: Dissident
  129. @Anonymous

    All you’re saying is that if you neglect and abuse an animal enough, it will become aggressively hostile. If you stop feeding your kids, they’ll probably hate you too. The only difference is that they have an entire world to take it out on; for your dog, you are their entire world.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sollipsist

    There was a case recently in Egypt where a dumb English woman running a dog sanctuary was killed and eaten by her charges when the food ran out.

    What she should have done is kill some of the dogs to feed to the others. Unfortunately, women (and far too many men) are incapable of thinking this way, so she and all of her dogs are now dead.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  131. @Anonymous

    She fed the dogs one way or another. Mission accomplished.

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