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The rise of South Korean entertainers to pop culture dominance has been one of the odder stories of the 21st Century. It’s a little like the British Invasion of the 1960s.

An article in The Diplomat that is relatively informative by the standards of the genre, argues that the rise of pale-skinned Koreans has made Southeast Asian women even more obsessive about whitening their skins:

Where Does the Asian Obsession With White Skin Come From?

There are no signs that this deep-rooted trend is subsiding, despite recent media attention.

By Ana Salvá
December 02, 2019

… White skin may have long been an essential characteristic of Thai beauty, Jaray said, but that concept of “whiteness” has shifted.

“In Thai classical literature, heroines who are described as having a fair complexion, as if painted with gold, are considered as beautiful,” he said. “So, it’s the different shade of white that was a standard in the past. After the Western and Korean influences, the preferred shade is pinkish white.”

I believe Japanese geisha girls used to use white makeup even before Commodore Peary arrived.

All over the world, the Fair Sex tends to be slightly fairer than the male sex, which suggests that the assumption that fairness in women is a secondary sex characteristic. This subtle difference in average skin tone between the sexes used to be well-known, but the increase in racial diversity makes it harder to notice this.

Indeed, the soaring popularity of Korean entertainment – especially pop music and television dramas – has exacerbated this obsession with white skin. Jaray said the trend began about 20 years ago when a Korean costume drama, “Dae Jang Guem,” which told the story of a female doctor elevated from being a royal maid during the historical Joseon period, became popular in Thailand, driving a new demand for Korean food and products.

“The images of Korean actors and beauty products have become common features of Thai entertainment sectors,” he said. “Korean-style beauty has therefore become synonymous with universal beauty for many Thais.” The proliferation of Korean beauty-related businesses in Thailand and their successful marketing have promoted Korean beauty standards; features include a V-shaped face, pearl-white skin, and a pointed, slender nose.

“I’ve heard a number of Thai tour operators have organized beauty surgery tours to Korea as their customers are very keen to have the same look as their favorite stars,” Jaray said. Indeed, there are television programs, such as “Let Me In Thailand” and a spin-off, “Let Me In Reborn,” that recruit people with facial disfigurements to compete for the chance to have plastic surgery in South Korea.

Or perhaps the rise of K-Pop has to do with the Asian prejudice for fair women?

 
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  1. The problem is brainlets apeing everything they see on TV like the absolute monkeys they are. At least in the good old days you had to have the attention span to read books if you were going to base your life on fictions.

  2. Peter. Peter. Come in. Can you hear me? Peter. Can you hear me. Come in Peter.

  3. Japan created an alternate reality in anime and manga where Japanese made to look uber-western.

    Literal-minded Koreans took it another step and applied it to real life.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Guess which characters are Japanese and which are Korean in this Japanese comic....


    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4479/883/1600/kenkanry%2062%20difference.0.jpg


    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4479/883/1600/Kenkan%20safe%20to%20say.jpg
    , @J1234

    Japan created an alternate reality in anime and manga where Japanese made to look uber-western.
     
    Yes, I've wondered about that. I'm not sure if it's a function of some Asian artists not perceiving much essential racial difference between Asians and Europeans or if the artists are intentionally trying to make their drawn characters ethnically amorphous to appeal to a wider audience. Or some sort of "ideal" or something else altogether.
  4. In Thailand, a woman can get her hoo-hah whitened as well.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/23/thailand-vaginal-whitening-wash

    (I’ve been doing research on this Serious Problem for years. Will report results soon.)

    • Agree: Alfred
    • LOL: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    Maybe they can get a combo deal with anal bleaching, which helps porn starlets avoid that top-of-the-organic-apple look.
  5. The explanation I found most persuasive is that Asian peasants had to work in the fields so they were tanned (most Asian centers of population are in lower latitude than in Europe so the sun is harsher) while the leisure classes stay at their homes, so their skin was fairer.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    That's also the reason why tans among white women were frowned upon until the late 19th-early 20th century: only wealthy women could afford to stay indoors, while poor women had to work outside a lot: drawing water for the well, chasing after children, getting groceries, tending the garden, etc. When Jane Austen made the heroine of Pride and Prejudice ruddy-faced from walking through the fields in the sun and Mr. Darcy finds it attractive, it was a sign to her audience that Austen's book was part-parody.

    What happened in the late 19th Century to change this long-held ideal against sun damaged women?

    Industrialization.

    Suddenly, all those farm girls and scullery maids ran off en masse to factories to work indoors all day in dusty, dark rooms. So nobody had a tan. So,in a reversal, rich women began to show their rich status by promoting how much they tanned and summering at the beach. IIRC, this is the same period where Newport Rhode Island and other sunny seaside resorts for the rich became big news---the better for the girl to get her tan on in the summer.

    People think it was all Coco Chanel promoting her own, but she was not the kickstarter. (As a side note, many blacks claim its because whites envied black women's darkness as attractive, which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie).

    How many intra-female rivalry fights are blamed on men/whites, when really its about the females of one racial group's females having prestige contests and catfighting? i.e. the old paper bag test among blacks, "good hair" left-handed compliments among blacks, Asian women getting eye-enlarging surgery, nose-shrinking surgery, etc.)

    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    I've read that the Japanese word for fair skin literally translates as "Deep window" to denote someone who stays indoors to keep the sun off their skin.
    , @Tada
    True. I'm an asian male I can confirm it.
  6. Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    • Replies: @Rodolfo
    The first girl has a very artificial look. She seems to be wearing the contact lenses that make the iris bigger.
    , @Foreign Expert
    The second girl (judging by the sign in the background) is on Chang Island, near the Cambodian border, so she may have Cambodian influence.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    1. Looks "hi-so" (high society) and possibly a fair amount of Chinese admixture.
    2. Guessing Isaan gal there. More closely related to the people of Laos than the rest of the country IIRC.

    I visited a great archaeology museum in the NE of Thailand that showed the differences in cranial morphology.
    , @istevefan
    Your pictures seem to illustrate what Jack D. refers to as regular Asians and jungle Asians.
    , @Anon
    The first girl looks Korean/Chinese/Japanese, the second girl looks more like Malay/Indonesian/Filipino.

    In ancient Chinese literature, published long before they ever encountered any whites, fair skin was prized, including on men, not just women. Dark skin was associated with laborers and peasants, i.e. the poor, while light skin was associated with the rich.
    , @Flip
    The first girl looks almost European.
    , @sb
    Yeah . I'm currently in Thailand
    It's always intrigued me that the further North you go the poorer are the locals and the paler the complexion .

    Seems the wrong way around
    , @BCB232
    First girl is waaayyyy prettier than the 2nd. I wouldn't even call the 2nd girl "pretty."
  7. >BlackPink
    Pathetic, the patrician options are 4minute, SNSD, Stella, Spica, T-ara, Twice, or Brown Eyed Girls. And like fifty more. But not BlackPink.
    ——
    Now that the impeachment is a mess and indictments are coming, Democrats are probably going to try to distract people with —
    >UPS DRIVER SHOT AFTER PURSUIT IN SHADOWED BROWARD COUNTY
    No, a police shooting just isn’t bizarre enough, and might be justified, even there. What they need is —
    >COLUMBUS OHIO NEIGHBORHOOD EVACUATED FOLLOWING REPORTS OF A NUCLEAR REACTOR IN A GARAGE
    Russell Seitz, is that you?
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/12/05/emergency-crews-investigating-report-possible-small-nuclear-reactor-ohio-garage/2625141001/

    • Replies: @Adam Smith

    UPS DRIVER SHOT AFTER PURSUIT IN SHADOWED BROWARD COUNTY
     
    I really like how the pigs were using civilians as human shields while showing zero concern for the safety of the hostage or anyone else on the highway. "UPS driver" and "innocent bystander" would probably still be alive if Thin Blue Isis didn't escalate this attempted robbery into a scene from GTA4 Vice City.

    https://twitter.com/swrightwpbf/status/1202730980064268289

    "It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander", FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.

    https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/22906268/20191205/101113/styles/patch_image/public/miami-dade-police-125___05215945896.jpg

    https://www.local10.com/resizer/HVG7Sa5WP40-3joYnaccMyZomZA=/800x450/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BLYXQNJXBJAV3LMKH3VZMP4GWQ.jpg

    https://media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2019/12/05/694940094001_6113496890001_6113495297001-vs.jpg

    Were going to need plenty of trophies after this quadruple homicide...

    https://www.selectsouthbay.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/trophy.jpg

    No Members of the Hero Squad were injured in the battle.

    https://www.stickershoppe.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/827-6588.jpg
  8. “Korean beauty standards; features include a V-shaped face, pearl-white skin, and a pointed, slender nose.”
    That’s what every character in Japanese anime looks like. So did this ideal develop simultaneously in both cultures or have the Koreans been watching too much anime? I know that older art in Asia has no one depicted with those features.

    • Replies: @nurdle
    That stuff has always struck me as the camel of pedophilia sticking its nose under the tent.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Combination of White western women's beauty influencing them combined with the ease of travel and trade with Japan, which the Koreans have long seen as the sophisticated England to their more backwater Ireland. So the Japanese anime has been flowing much easier.

    Globalism hits women hard, though they don't know it.

  9. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    The first girl has a very artificial look. She seems to be wearing the contact lenses that make the iris bigger.

  10. NHK news had a long story the other day about genderbenders in Thailand and the discrimination they suffer. If I ever go there I will have to resort to the Crocodile Dundee test. The ones they showed sure looked like women to me

  11. anon[716] • Disclaimer says:

    My evo. psych. theory on the subject relates this to the ability of people to correctly judge facial characteristics, and perhaps therefore health, based on skin tone. Perhaps this is why the geishas preferred light skin and dark hair: the contrast draws the viewer to the woman’s face, which is where much or most of her beauty comes from. In contrast, I have always found it more difficult to judge characteristics in women with matching eye, hair, and skin colors (black women). Koren girls may be doing the same because they have both dark hair and eyes. Notice that many of these girls also dye their hair lighter colors but few have colored contacts. The contrast serves to draw the viewer to the parts of the body they find most attractive, namely the face and the head — possibly also why women wear more elaborate hair styles than men. Although, there are studies that show people can more easily identify members of their own race, so this may be entirely wrong.

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
    I still have difficulty identifying koreans from japanese from fair skinned vietnamese, tho my wife can do it easily.

    A female thing?
  12. >Japanese white cosmetic
    Yes, and they also dyed their teeth and gums black. Upper class Europeans of both sexes relied a kind of dry whiteface to prevent skin parasites (ditto shaving their natural hair and opting for a starchy wig).

    • Replies: @Anon
    Parasites? People in that time and place didn't worry about skin parasites. There barely are any in Northern Europe. They were trying to cover up pockmarks from smallpox. That used to be the scourge before the vaccine, and it ruined an awful lot of faces, even those among the upper class.
  13. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:

    “So, it’s the different shade of white that was a standard in the past. After the Western and Korean influences, the preferred shade is pinkish white.”

    I remember when I was little being puzzled about why we were called “white” and blacks were called “black”, when we were clearly “pink” or “peach” and blacks were obviously “brown” or “chocolate” according to the crayons I would use to draw people. The only person whose skin shade sort of resembled the white crayon was an Asian girl who had that ghost like geisha shade that some Asians have. And none of the blacks had skins shades resembling the pitch black of the black crayon.

    • Replies: @Rodolfo
    The skin of Northeast Asian people (Koreans, Manchus, etc.) is roughly equivalent to an Iberian European. The difference is that they do not deliberately tan and the black hair they have to cause a greater contrast with pale skin.
  14. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    The second girl (judging by the sign in the background) is on Chang Island, near the Cambodian border, so she may have Cambodian influence.

  15. K-pop is a heavily manufactured product. I suspect that its success has something to do with Korea’s ability to mercilessly crush tens of thousands of young girls to manufacture it. This probably comes in part from developing later than Japan, but also involves high IQ as well as good looks.

    Perhaps, in a similar vein, one could contrast HK cinema to Japanese cinema. HK used to be very poor. The epitome of HK cinema was Jackie Chan. Chan was virtually dropped at the door of an acrobatic troop by his parents at a young age, where he was sometimes beaten or starved, to encourage him to do full splits. He was in the same acrobatic troop as Sammo Hung – have you ever seen a fat guy that can move like that?

    Alas! HK developed, and they no longer beat young kids into becoming awesome action stars.

  16. Korean girls do have a certain appeal….

    • Replies: @syonredux
    There is a degree of homogeneity, though.....Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon...



    http://i2.asntown.net/15/all-miss-korea-2013-contestants.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    And that's the REAL reason we keep those troops on the Korean Peninsula!
    , @SFG
    You need to secure a future for yourself and your hapa children. (Twinkie, don't kill me!)
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Goodness!

    More and more smutty pictures!

    Do keep posting them, Katharine.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    So, apparently, it's 1965 in Korea?
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    Chewy aside, those are all ugly and Tzuyu is Chinese (Taiwan), so...

    As someone who watches my fair share of Asian drama, the girls in Chinese dramas and more 'natural' looking than their Korean counterparts.
  17. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    There is a degree of homogeneity, though…..Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon…

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @SOL
    Koreans were rather homoegeneous to begin with, even before the advent of plastic surgery...
    , @PiltdownMan
    The homogeneity in those beauty contest head-shot collages is partly due to modern photo-processing software which have "beauty" modes, and not just because of conformity to a prevalent cultural standard.

    Mr. Sailer posted this picture earlier this year about identical beauty standards (and photoshopping) in India.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/not-much-human-biodiversity-in-miss-india-beauty-pageant/
    , @Jim Christian

    Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon… Who is most beautiful?
     
    To be crude, "Best T & A Wins", because these women could be the view in the mirror. A funny retort by Asian chicks being hit on here in the States (because these women are particularly hostile after their Western-style 'education') is "Yellow Fever". As if anyone wants them with that attitude anymore. Asians aren't so soft and sweet once educated to be hateful. Think Sarah Jeong.
  18. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    And that’s the REAL reason we keep those troops on the Korean Peninsula!

  19. “Where Does the Asian Obsession with White Skin Come from?”

    We need to remind ourselves that the Chinese people are not particularly different from the other races of the world as far as the practice of survival cannibalism is concerned. When it comes to learned cannibalism, however, its practice is quite different. Worthy of note here is the fact that some types of learned cannibalism are found only in China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cannibalism_in_China

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2070091/chinese-canadian-man-who-beheaded-and-ate-stranger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-police-have-arrested-an-alleged-serial-killer-who-ate-his-victims-flesh-and-sold-the-rest-as-ostrich-meat-2012-5

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-cannibal-2012-7

    • Replies: @neprof
    Do you know what happen to the party guest who showed up late to the cannibal's dinner?

    He got the cold shoulder.
  20. Professor Suk-Young Kim has a good take on K-pop.

    She has a handy mnemonic framework in which the K can stand for:
    kaleidoscopic (multimedia, visual, versatile, multiple markets),
    keyboard / keypad (Youtube, social networks),
    kidult (fandom not just kids),
    korporate (driven by business),
    kleenex (disposable, ephemeral),
    and of course Korean.

    I still think it’s mostly junk, but it’s definitely a thing…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Professor Suk Young? Really?? I wish I knew her when she Associate Professor Sukkier Younger.
  21. East Asia has always regarded fair/white skin as higher socio-economic status.

    My wife, despite her good looks (she often bragged to me of being approached by modelling agents, tho she was the studious shy type and never took up the offers), was considered 2nd rate and a loss for her family (what a shame that her skin was darker – something I heard from her relatives) just because her skin tone was slightly on the darker side for chinese.

    I think in addition to colonialism, the generally higher SES of ethnic chinese minorities in southeast asia had an effect on the non chinese too, causing them to aspire to fair skin. E.g. female malays in Singapore with fair skin in Sg are rated as more beautiful then their darker skinned brethren.

    My daughter has slightly darker skin too, but my boy has quite fair skin. The reverse might have been better, since he’s going to darken from national service anyway. Go figure.

  22. Yesterday I learned that there is a Korean pop group named f(x). It’s a girl band. Can you imagine a Western pop group with a name like that? I wonder what this tells us about Korean womanhood.

    Here is how their Wikipedia article explains the name:

    f(x) is a function of mathematics, which means that they would carry out various activities, based on the various talents and attractiveness of the members, like the formula whose results change depending on the value of x.

    This must be the most East Asian phrase I’ve seen this year.

    In addition, “f” symbolizes flower and “x” symbolizes ‘X’ on the female chromosome XX which, taken together, symbolizes “flower reminiscent of women.”

    Okay!

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Yesterday I learned that there is a Korean pop group named f(x). It’s a girl band. Can you imagine a Western pop group with a name like that? I wonder what this tells us about Korean womanhood.
     
    It tells us a lot about their cultural familiarity and ease with math and, by extension, the Korean educational system.
    , @ChrisZ
    Forget about what Wikipedia says. The name means exactly what you think it means.

    Pop music is entirely about money and marketing; anything that would arouse the interest of a teenager is fair game. In our own country there was (is?) a girl band named "Hole."
  23. Twinkie and I (and others) had a fun argument about this stuff.

    He didn’t want to give an Inchon the subject! (#392, etc.) :

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/asian-girls-forced-to-dye-their-hair-blonde-by-there-being-too-many-white-people/#comment-2283893

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  24. @anon
    My evo. psych. theory on the subject relates this to the ability of people to correctly judge facial characteristics, and perhaps therefore health, based on skin tone. Perhaps this is why the geishas preferred light skin and dark hair: the contrast draws the viewer to the woman's face, which is where much or most of her beauty comes from. In contrast, I have always found it more difficult to judge characteristics in women with matching eye, hair, and skin colors (black women). Koren girls may be doing the same because they have both dark hair and eyes. Notice that many of these girls also dye their hair lighter colors but few have colored contacts. The contrast serves to draw the viewer to the parts of the body they find most attractive, namely the face and the head -- possibly also why women wear more elaborate hair styles than men. Although, there are studies that show people can more easily identify members of their own race, so this may be entirely wrong.

    I still have difficulty identifying koreans from japanese from fair skinned vietnamese, tho my wife can do it easily.

    A female thing?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    no you are just low testosterone and don't really appreciate women.

    you would be that navy guy in Singapore who was bored and did not want to check out the local bars, and preferred to buy a few comic books at the local semi-Western hotel and read them in your bunk while the other sailors went out looking for love.

    hope that helps, I am not being critical ---- lust is bad ---- but you do sound like someone who really does not appreciate women.

    , @PiltdownMan
    Most Asians can't distinguish whites who look obviously Irish from say, those who look obviously Nordic or obviously Russian.

    I couldn't tell Asians apart reliably before I lived there for a while.
  25. Korea is a world leader in cosmetic surgery, perhaps because some common Korean bodily characteristics are not always widely perceived as maximally-beautiful. These can include round face, flattish nose, low female WHR (tubular body shape), smallish female busts, chubby or “radish” legs, overall pudginess, coarse hair, etc. Nowadays a lot of Koreans are tall, though, which is attractive, and bust size seems to have grown as well (not sure if that is illusion).

    On the other side of things, Koreans tend to be fair-skinned, have shiny black hair, and be sturdy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled....


    http://www.connectkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/korea-plastic-surgery-7.jpg

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5B7crepi--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/lshy8mxw03nbe3jgmjfd.jpg

    http://styleslum.com/news_images/1/post_images/korean-plastic-surgery.jpg
  26. @syonredux
    There is a degree of homogeneity, though.....Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon...



    http://i2.asntown.net/15/all-miss-korea-2013-contestants.jpg

    Koreans were rather homoegeneous to begin with, even before the advent of plastic surgery…

  27. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    1. Looks “hi-so” (high society) and possibly a fair amount of Chinese admixture.
    2. Guessing Isaan gal there. More closely related to the people of Laos than the rest of the country IIRC.

    I visited a great archaeology museum in the NE of Thailand that showed the differences in cranial morphology.

  28. @Veracitor
    Korea is a world leader in cosmetic surgery, perhaps because some common Korean bodily characteristics are not always widely perceived as maximally-beautiful. These can include round face, flattish nose, low female WHR (tubular body shape), smallish female busts, chubby or “radish” legs, overall pudginess, coarse hair, etc. Nowadays a lot of Koreans are tall, though, which is attractive, and bust size seems to have grown as well (not sure if that is illusion).

    On the other side of things, Koreans tend to be fair-skinned, have shiny black hair, and be sturdy.

    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled….

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Highly skilled . . . if those pics are genuine then they're bloody miracle workers!
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Oh my goodness, Katharine, I do believe you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures. (The “after” ones to which are being referred)

    Goodness. Korean beauty. Or at least an idealized form helped along by skilled surgeons knives. Is THIS the face of world beauty? Would THAT be considered what all fair ladies should hope to strive for?

    Admittedly it may take some getting used to, that classic beauties such as Raquel Welch and Christie Brinkley now have global competition. But perhaps it is good to examine what the current global competition considers to be the ideal beauty.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    And then you marry one and all your kids are ugly...
    , @britishbrainsize1325ccheehee
    White guys are losers these women are fools if they only knew if they immigrated to the US they would not have had to go under the knife, In theUS they could have the pick of powerful white men let alone the low class british descended redneck
  29. The Koreans seem to be inspired by Japanese anime, which is inspired by the look of white people.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    • Agree

    Is there a version of the above pics with all the terms translated into English?

    Or can someone here translate them? That would be great.
    , @Anonymous
    Anime/Manga characters, at least most of them, work as fantasies of the Western Other, but they are ridiculous as representation of Japanese.

    But the Japanese always had a strange way of representing themselves.

    https://feudaljapan09.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/6/4/17643869/178906193.jpg

    Look at the Jewishy Nose on this one:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Toshusai_Sharaku-_Otani_Oniji%2C_1794.jpg

    In this insane book, there is a piece about how some Japanese theorized they must have some Jewish blood because some Japanese have hooked noses.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=R_PQLj2D1DQC&pg=PA37&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/ukiyo-e/images/8439s.jpg
    , @Kaz
    These are joke images meant to rile people up.. there are multiple versions floating around, it's quite easy to make a case in either direction by comparing a few pictures.
  30. Colonialism and white supremacy

    Just like on almost everything it has an evil that must decdetoyed

    Just follow Marie Lunon twitter

    • LOL: Alfa158
  31. I know a lot about China–I spent a few hours off the cruise ship walking around Shanghai. Two things impressed me. There are some really tall Chinese dudes. And it was summer and the girls were wearing short dresses or shorts and their legs were very pale white.

  32. I’m in the middle of listening to the audiobook of Haruki Murakami’s 1Q84. It has lots of young female characters. While looking at these pictures I was deciding which one looks like how I pictured the fictional young nurse, the daughter of the cult leader, the adulterous older woman, the elementary school vice-principal, the slutty policewoman and the fitness instructor/assassin in the novel.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Related to our recent discussion of World War II, one of the girls is reading a book about the Japanese railway system in Manchuria in 1Q84, IIRC.
  33. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    You need to secure a future for yourself and your hapa children. (Twinkie, don’t kill me!)

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  34. @Andy
    The explanation I found most persuasive is that Asian peasants had to work in the fields so they were tanned (most Asian centers of population are in lower latitude than in Europe so the sun is harsher) while the leisure classes stay at their homes, so their skin was fairer.

    That’s also the reason why tans among white women were frowned upon until the late 19th-early 20th century: only wealthy women could afford to stay indoors, while poor women had to work outside a lot: drawing water for the well, chasing after children, getting groceries, tending the garden, etc. When Jane Austen made the heroine of Pride and Prejudice ruddy-faced from walking through the fields in the sun and Mr. Darcy finds it attractive, it was a sign to her audience that Austen’s book was part-parody.

    What happened in the late 19th Century to change this long-held ideal against sun damaged women?

    Industrialization.

    Suddenly, all those farm girls and scullery maids ran off en masse to factories to work indoors all day in dusty, dark rooms. So nobody had a tan. So,in a reversal, rich women began to show their rich status by promoting how much they tanned and summering at the beach. IIRC, this is the same period where Newport Rhode Island and other sunny seaside resorts for the rich became big news—the better for the girl to get her tan on in the summer.

    People think it was all Coco Chanel promoting her own, but she was not the kickstarter. (As a side note, many blacks claim its because whites envied black women’s darkness as attractive, which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie).

    How many intra-female rivalry fights are blamed on men/whites, when really its about the females of one racial group’s females having prestige contests and catfighting? i.e. the old paper bag test among blacks, “good hair” left-handed compliments among blacks, Asian women getting eye-enlarging surgery, nose-shrinking surgery, etc.)

    • Agree: Andy
    • Replies: @European-American
    > [about tanning fad among Europeans]
    > many blacks claim its because whites envied black women’s darkness as attractive,
    > which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie

    Similarly:

    [about fashion trends among East Asians]
    many whites claim its because Asians envied white women’s whiteness as attractive,
    which is another hilarious whites-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie
    , @Paleo Liberal
    The sun/ no-sun thing is possibly the biggest factor, but not the only factor.

    In Asia, as in Europe, people from the northern areas were often socially higher than people from southern areas. Just as a tall, light skinned northern Italian might look down on a shorter, swathy Sicilian, a tall, light skinned fancy Asian might consider a shorter darker Asian to be more of a jungle Asian.

    Supposedly in Korean culture the girls of the north are considered the most beautiful. Those girls may have some Manchu or some other non-Korean northern blood. I used to know a young Korean lady whose family was from the extreme northern part of Korea before the Korean War. She had very light skin and actually dark reddish brown hair.

    So I wonder how much of the plastic surgery and skin whitening is to make the ladies appear more northern.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    Ice dancing is an activity where avid participants take skating tests to be deemed to skate at different levels, much like the colored belts or a black belt in martial arts. You can take a skating test with a fellow avid amateur as a dance partner, but the Gold dance tests (like the black belt) are usually partnered with a highly skilled skater. This works much like that Dancing With The Stars TV program for ballroom dance, where contestants of varying abilities are paired with highly skilled partners with competition and teaching experience. It also works the same that there is a panel of three judges, who look critically at how you are skating and try to disregard how well your partner skates.

    I have a video of Gold dance test attempts, and in one, my partner and I are skating holding hands as part of a dance "introduction." We hold hands to synchronize our skating stride while we build up speed before we assume a partner hold for the particular dance. Ice dancing is to ballroom as perhaps hockey is to lacrosse, and part of the thrill of ice dance, both to participant as well as observers is the speed that can be achieved on skates.

    Well, color balance on consumer-grade camcorders (this was 20 years ago) were always dodgy, but it is generally cold in a skating arena and we don't wear gloves as we do in practice. In the picture, my hand is bright pink. My partner was an ethnic Chinese woman from Canada. I never thought of her skin tone as anything but white, but her hand in the video is yellow. So there is something to an East Asian skin tone?

  35. By some accounts the Blessed Buddha had blue eyes, white skin and a giant swastika on his chest.

  36. @Alfa158
    "Korean beauty standards; features include a V-shaped face, pearl-white skin, and a pointed, slender nose."
    That's what every character in Japanese anime looks like. So did this ideal develop simultaneously in both cultures or have the Koreans been watching too much anime? I know that older art in Asia has no one depicted with those features.

    That stuff has always struck me as the camel of pedophilia sticking its nose under the tent.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Pedophiles seem drawn to both anime and Star Trek (TOS, specifically) . According to police lore, not every Star Trek fan is a pedophile, but every pedophile has a picture of Spock on his wall when they bust in to arrest him.
  37. When I first came to Asia 25 years ago my Chinese boss lamented that his daughter had “black” skin while his son was pale. Chinese tradition, he told me, lauded the opposite combination because pale-skinned girls were more gentle and dark skinned boys tougher, traits that helped the sexes achieve success in life.

    A couple of years ago I went to Okinawa in winter and was surprised to see school tours of make up free Northern Japanese schoolgirls with snow white faces and a pink blush. I found it to be very charming, defintely more attractive than the standard Asian “yellow” which was also visible everywhere. Asians know that whiter asian skin is not only prettier, white-skinned girls are more delicate, feminine and submissive compared to the peers, closer to the feminine ideal, and so they want this look.

    There is science that suggests that skin pigmentation and aggression run on the same circuit in the body, the melanocortin system.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    Animal breeders who in previous eras bred animals for tameness noted that animals like cows and horses changed from black to piebald, then to white as the breed domesticated.

    Western tradition also lauded pale-skinned beauties until recently. We should just accept what our elders told us: paler women are superior. Corollary, vampire-skinned, vegan soyboys should strip off their skinny jeans and hit the sunbed.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    Laughable.

    Everything you said in your post is completely wrong. In Europe and high/low latitude countries, it's men who are paler than women.

    Interestingly, we also see that in each of these four populations, men are more lightly pigmented in the unexposed skin of the inner arm than women, a fact that is underappreciated and may vary across the world.
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3485197/

    The hormone estradiol is what makes women attractive and feminine; in women with higher estradiol levels the skin is darker:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8251-hormone-levels-predict-attractiveness-of-women/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1560017/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1560017/bin/rspb20053296f01.jpg

    Composite faces of the (a) 10 women with highest and (b) 10 with lowest levels of late follicular oestrogen metabolite (oestrone-3-glucuronide, E1G).
     
    My bet is that you are a cuck or some kind of subversive here to confuse the audience. In the real world, men go for darker women, and women, for lighter men. Particularly in China.
    , @britishbrainsize1325ccheehee
    Small brain british have to be much bigger to even think of beating up an asian kid , becuz you pinks are slow and uncoordinated an asian can put ten punch combinations before you can land even one ,also google asian kid 5'5" dunks, 150 lbs viet guy bench presses 410lbs.
  38. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    Your pictures seem to illustrate what Jack D. refers to as regular Asians and jungle Asians.

  39. “Jaray said the trend began about 20 years ago when a Korean costume drama, “Dae Jang Guem,” which told the story of a female doctor elevated from being a royal maid during the historical Joseon period, became popular in Thailand, driving a new demand for Korean food and products.”

    How stupid are these people?

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    Thai people are smarter than you think. They are the only Southeastern Asian country that has never been colonized by a western power. They're quite clever.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Everyone is so influenced by pop culture.

    Have you not seen how much rap has influenced the behaviors of so many blacks and fatherless non-blacks?

    The hip-hop culture has been exceedingly negative and exceedingly influential on the behavior of poor, lower-IQ kids from broken homes.

    , @J.Ross
    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real "problem immigrants" and mauling our legal character but you're wrong-footed here, on every point.
    It's like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn't amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.
  40. @Reg Cæsar

    "Where Does the Asian Obsession with White Skin Come from?"
     

    We need to remind ourselves that the Chinese people are not particularly different from the other races of the world as far as the practice of survival cannibalism is concerned. When it comes to learned cannibalism, however, its practice is quite different. Worthy of note here is the fact that some types of learned cannibalism are found only in China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cannibalism_in_China

     

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmHbNyFb_hA

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2070091/chinese-canadian-man-who-beheaded-and-ate-stranger

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-police-have-arrested-an-alleged-serial-killer-who-ate-his-victims-flesh-and-sold-the-rest-as-ostrich-meat-2012-5

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-cannibal-2012-7

    Do you know what happen to the party guest who showed up late to the cannibal’s dinner?

    He got the cold shoulder.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    He got a big hand?
    , @FPD72
    What do rich cannibals eat?


    Peasant under glass.
  41. @Anonymous
    The Koreans seem to be inspired by Japanese anime, which is inspired by the look of white people.

    https://i.imgur.com/iJD4WCa.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/O0Qi8Hs.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/GoGTiH7.jpg

    • Agree

    Is there a version of the above pics with all the terms translated into English?

    Or can someone here translate them? That would be great.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hello, Jenner,
    I recall you asked for this before and I was going to do it but got busy and forgot. So before that happens again, here is a quick and dirty translation. I hope you can read it! (〃⌒∇⌒)

    I didn't bother translating the names of the girls.

    https://i.imgur.com/s8aDN3l.jpg

    The heading on this one is sloppily written so I'm not really sure what the author meant, but I think
    my translation gives the general idea.

    https://i.imgur.com/c2UNXj6.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/Zw2pfBi.jpg

  42. @The Wobbly Guy
    I still have difficulty identifying koreans from japanese from fair skinned vietnamese, tho my wife can do it easily.

    A female thing?

    no you are just low testosterone and don’t really appreciate women.

    you would be that navy guy in Singapore who was bored and did not want to check out the local bars, and preferred to buy a few comic books at the local semi-Western hotel and read them in your bunk while the other sailors went out looking for love.

    hope that helps, I am not being critical —- lust is bad —- but you do sound like someone who really does not appreciate women.

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
    Uhm, I'm Sg chinese, happily married to a hot wife, two cute kids, maybe more on the way. Just for context.

    And yet I really can't distinguish between chinese/korean/jap/vietnamese(fair) women, lol. My wife says there're differences around the nose, the brow, and the chin, but I don't see 'em. High cheek bones and big eyes seem to be universal though.

    Oh well, who cares as long as they are pretty and nice to look at. :)

  43. @R.G. Camara
    That's also the reason why tans among white women were frowned upon until the late 19th-early 20th century: only wealthy women could afford to stay indoors, while poor women had to work outside a lot: drawing water for the well, chasing after children, getting groceries, tending the garden, etc. When Jane Austen made the heroine of Pride and Prejudice ruddy-faced from walking through the fields in the sun and Mr. Darcy finds it attractive, it was a sign to her audience that Austen's book was part-parody.

    What happened in the late 19th Century to change this long-held ideal against sun damaged women?

    Industrialization.

    Suddenly, all those farm girls and scullery maids ran off en masse to factories to work indoors all day in dusty, dark rooms. So nobody had a tan. So,in a reversal, rich women began to show their rich status by promoting how much they tanned and summering at the beach. IIRC, this is the same period where Newport Rhode Island and other sunny seaside resorts for the rich became big news---the better for the girl to get her tan on in the summer.

    People think it was all Coco Chanel promoting her own, but she was not the kickstarter. (As a side note, many blacks claim its because whites envied black women's darkness as attractive, which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie).

    How many intra-female rivalry fights are blamed on men/whites, when really its about the females of one racial group's females having prestige contests and catfighting? i.e. the old paper bag test among blacks, "good hair" left-handed compliments among blacks, Asian women getting eye-enlarging surgery, nose-shrinking surgery, etc.)

    > [about tanning fad among Europeans]
    > many blacks claim its because whites envied black women’s darkness as attractive,
    > which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie

    Similarly:

    [about fashion trends among East Asians]
    many whites claim its because Asians envied white women’s whiteness as attractive,
    which is another hilarious whites-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie

  44. @Peterike
    “Jaray said the trend began about 20 years ago when a Korean costume drama, “Dae Jang Guem,” which told the story of a female doctor elevated from being a royal maid during the historical Joseon period, became popular in Thailand, driving a new demand for Korean food and products.”

    How stupid are these people?

    Thai people are smarter than you think. They are the only Southeastern Asian country that has never been colonized by a western power. They’re quite clever.

  45. @Alfa158
    "Korean beauty standards; features include a V-shaped face, pearl-white skin, and a pointed, slender nose."
    That's what every character in Japanese anime looks like. So did this ideal develop simultaneously in both cultures or have the Koreans been watching too much anime? I know that older art in Asia has no one depicted with those features.

    Combination of White western women’s beauty influencing them combined with the ease of travel and trade with Japan, which the Koreans have long seen as the sophisticated England to their more backwater Ireland. So the Japanese anime has been flowing much easier.

    Globalism hits women hard, though they don’t know it.

  46. @nurdle
    That stuff has always struck me as the camel of pedophilia sticking its nose under the tent.

    Pedophiles seem drawn to both anime and Star Trek (TOS, specifically) . According to police lore, not every Star Trek fan is a pedophile, but every pedophile has a picture of Spock on his wall when they bust in to arrest him.

    • Replies: @Charon
    I'd add Disney stuff to that list. Any grown man who's into that stuff is likely psycho. With the obvious exception of those who temporarily feign interest for the sake of their young daughters.

    And Star Trek? All of it, Not just TOS.
    , @CJ
    About 20 years ago the Ontario Provincial Police formed a special unit to go after child porn. One of its agents gave an interview to a Toronto newspaper where he was quoted as saying, “There’s two kinds of pedos — Star Trek and Star Wars.”
  47. @Peterike
    “Jaray said the trend began about 20 years ago when a Korean costume drama, “Dae Jang Guem,” which told the story of a female doctor elevated from being a royal maid during the historical Joseon period, became popular in Thailand, driving a new demand for Korean food and products.”

    How stupid are these people?

    Everyone is so influenced by pop culture.

    Have you not seen how much rap has influenced the behaviors of so many blacks and fatherless non-blacks?

    The hip-hop culture has been exceedingly negative and exceedingly influential on the behavior of poor, lower-IQ kids from broken homes.

  48. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    The first girl looks Korean/Chinese/Japanese, the second girl looks more like Malay/Indonesian/Filipino.

    In ancient Chinese literature, published long before they ever encountered any whites, fair skin was prized, including on men, not just women. Dark skin was associated with laborers and peasants, i.e. the poor, while light skin was associated with the rich.

  49. @Anonymous
    Japan created an alternate reality in anime and manga where Japanese made to look uber-western.

    Literal-minded Koreans took it another step and applied it to real life.

    Guess which characters are Japanese and which are Korean in this Japanese comic….

    • Replies: @SOL
    It's all Japanese -- hiragana, katakana, and kanji.
  50. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    The first girl looks almost European.

  51. @syonredux
    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled....


    http://www.connectkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/korea-plastic-surgery-7.jpg

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5B7crepi--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/lshy8mxw03nbe3jgmjfd.jpg

    http://styleslum.com/news_images/1/post_images/korean-plastic-surgery.jpg

    Highly skilled . . . if those pics are genuine then they’re bloody miracle workers!

    • Agree: Charon
  52. @neprof
    Do you know what happen to the party guest who showed up late to the cannibal's dinner?

    He got the cold shoulder.

    He got a big hand?

  53. “Where Does the Asian Obsession with White Skin Come from?”

    It wasn’t mentioned at all in Ana Salvá’s article, but think the white skin obsession fascination came from Japan, where various Shiseido skin whitening products were used by Japanese women when I was there in the 1960s.

    マイクロブライトニング スポッツコレクター(30mL)
    顔全体に細かく多く現れるシミ・ソバカスを防ぐ薬用美白*美容液

    Micro Brightening Spots Collector (30mL)
    Medicinal whitening to prevent spots and freckles that appear on the whole face

    https://www.shiseido.co.jp/sw/c/products/SWFG070410.seam?shohin_pl_c_cd=704801&online_shohin_ctlg_kbn=1

    Now I’ll take the opportunity to play a very popular Japanese song from the late ’60s, and a personal favorite of mine, “Koi no Kisetsu” (Season of Love) by Pinky and the Killers. This song was #1 in Japan in 1968 for 17 weeks, a record that stands to this day.

    Yoko Kon fronting Pinky and the Killers

    This longer version of the song has the extended instrumental break and is from the Japanese film 恋の季節, (Koi no Kisetsu – Season of Love), released in Japan in 1969,and a few year later in the Soviet Union, where it is known as Сезон любви.

    In the early 1970s, the film was shown with great success at the Soviet box office. The film occupies the 480th position in the list of the most visited films in the history of film distribution in the USSR, it was watched by 27.6 million Soviet viewers

    Сезон любви

    I gave the link to the Russian Wikipedia page because Google refuses to cough up a link for “Season of Love” when I search in English.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well. (Sukiyaki)


    https://youtu.be/C35DrtPlUbc
  54. @The Wobbly Guy
    I still have difficulty identifying koreans from japanese from fair skinned vietnamese, tho my wife can do it easily.

    A female thing?

    Most Asians can’t distinguish whites who look obviously Irish from say, those who look obviously Nordic or obviously Russian.

    I couldn’t tell Asians apart reliably before I lived there for a while.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    How does one look obviously Irish? In my observation, there are a number of "Irish" looking faces. There is the dark-haired medium to pale skinned Irish such as Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, these men can have round to longish heads. Then there is the type with the large fleshy face with freckles and red or blonde hair that you see in the Kennedy males, Carroll O'Connor or Andy Rooney. Another type is the very nordic-looking type like Peter O'Toole with red to blonde hair with a long face and fair skin. Then there is the type with dark hair but with the same long-face as you see in Colin Farrell or Pierce Brosnan. In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.
  55. @inertial
    Yesterday I learned that there is a Korean pop group named f(x). It's a girl band. Can you imagine a Western pop group with a name like that? I wonder what this tells us about Korean womanhood.

    Here is how their Wikipedia article explains the name:

    f(x) is a function of mathematics, which means that they would carry out various activities, based on the various talents and attractiveness of the members, like the formula whose results change depending on the value of x.
     
    This must be the most East Asian phrase I've seen this year.

    In addition, "f" symbolizes flower and "x" symbolizes 'X' on the female chromosome XX which, taken together, symbolizes "flower reminiscent of women."
     
    Okay!

    Yesterday I learned that there is a Korean pop group named f(x). It’s a girl band. Can you imagine a Western pop group with a name like that? I wonder what this tells us about Korean womanhood.

    It tells us a lot about their cultural familiarity and ease with math and, by extension, the Korean educational system.

  56. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The Koreans seem to be inspired by Japanese anime, which is inspired by the look of white people.

    https://i.imgur.com/iJD4WCa.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/O0Qi8Hs.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/GoGTiH7.jpg

    Anime/Manga characters, at least most of them, work as fantasies of the Western Other, but they are ridiculous as representation of Japanese.

    But the Japanese always had a strange way of representing themselves.

    Look at the Jewishy Nose on this one:

    In this insane book, there is a piece about how some Japanese theorized they must have some Jewish blood because some Japanese have hooked noses.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=R_PQLj2D1DQC&pg=PA37&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

  57. @syonredux
    There is a degree of homogeneity, though.....Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon...



    http://i2.asntown.net/15/all-miss-korea-2013-contestants.jpg

    The homogeneity in those beauty contest head-shot collages is partly due to modern photo-processing software which have “beauty” modes, and not just because of conformity to a prevalent cultural standard.

    Mr. Sailer posted this picture earlier this year about identical beauty standards (and photoshopping) in India.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/not-much-human-biodiversity-in-miss-india-beauty-pageant/

  58. @syonredux
    There is a degree of homogeneity, though.....Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon...



    http://i2.asntown.net/15/all-miss-korea-2013-contestants.jpg

    Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon… Who is most beautiful?

    To be crude, “Best T & A Wins”, because these women could be the view in the mirror. A funny retort by Asian chicks being hit on here in the States (because these women are particularly hostile after their Western-style ‘education’) is “Yellow Fever”. As if anyone wants them with that attitude anymore. Asians aren’t so soft and sweet once educated to be hateful. Think Sarah Jeong.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold up. Sarah Jeong wasn’t all that before she attended college.
  59. “I believe Japanese geisha girls used to use white makeup even before Commodore Peary arrived.” – And black teeth?

  60. I believe Japanese geisha girls used to use white makeup even before Commodore Peary arrived.

    It was caused by racist mental projection by white Europeans on the people of color around the world.

    Surely you realize that, Steve!

    • Replies: @Charon
    Perry was the American military leader and patriot who opened up Japan. Peary was a navy officer who visited cold spots way up north..
  61. @Anonymous

    “So, it’s the different shade of white that was a standard in the past. After the Western and Korean influences, the preferred shade is pinkish white.”
     
    I remember when I was little being puzzled about why we were called "white" and blacks were called "black", when we were clearly "pink" or "peach" and blacks were obviously "brown" or "chocolate" according to the crayons I would use to draw people. The only person whose skin shade sort of resembled the white crayon was an Asian girl who had that ghost like geisha shade that some Asians have. And none of the blacks had skins shades resembling the pitch black of the black crayon.

    The skin of Northeast Asian people (Koreans, Manchus, etc.) is roughly equivalent to an Iberian European. The difference is that they do not deliberately tan and the black hair they have to cause a greater contrast with pale skin.

  62. there are television programs, such as “Let Me In Thailand” and a spin-off, “Let Me In Reborn,” that recruit people with facial disfigurements to compete for the chance to have plastic surgery in South Korea.

    Asians really do have a ruthless sense of humour.

  63. @UlickMcGee
    When I first came to Asia 25 years ago my Chinese boss lamented that his daughter had "black" skin while his son was pale. Chinese tradition, he told me, lauded the opposite combination because pale-skinned girls were more gentle and dark skinned boys tougher, traits that helped the sexes achieve success in life.

    A couple of years ago I went to Okinawa in winter and was surprised to see school tours of make up free Northern Japanese schoolgirls with snow white faces and a pink blush. I found it to be very charming, defintely more attractive than the standard Asian "yellow" which was also visible everywhere. Asians know that whiter asian skin is not only prettier, white-skinned girls are more delicate, feminine and submissive compared to the peers, closer to the feminine ideal, and so they want this look.

    There is science that suggests that skin pigmentation and aggression run on the same circuit in the body, the melanocortin system.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    Animal breeders who in previous eras bred animals for tameness noted that animals like cows and horses changed from black to piebald, then to white as the breed domesticated.

    Western tradition also lauded pale-skinned beauties until recently. We should just accept what our elders told us: paler women are superior. Corollary, vampire-skinned, vegan soyboys should strip off their skinny jeans and hit the sunbed.

    Laughable.

    Everything you said in your post is completely wrong. In Europe and high/low latitude countries, it’s men who are paler than women.

    Interestingly, we also see that in each of these four populations, men are more lightly pigmented in the unexposed skin of the inner arm than women, a fact that is underappreciated and may vary across the world.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3485197/

    The hormone estradiol is what makes women attractive and feminine; in women with higher estradiol levels the skin is darker:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8251-hormone-levels-predict-attractiveness-of-women/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1560017/

    Composite faces of the (a) 10 women with highest and (b) 10 with lowest levels of late follicular oestrogen metabolite (oestrone-3-glucuronide, E1G).

    My bet is that you are a cuck or some kind of subversive here to confuse the audience. In the real world, men go for darker women, and women, for lighter men. Particularly in China.

    • Replies: @UlickMcGee
    My bet is your dad liked them darker which is why you act like a hard r.
  64. “Where Does the Asian Obsession with White Skin Come from?”

    This is a perfect query for the all-seeing all-knowing Mike Bloomberg.

  65. @syonredux
    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled....


    http://www.connectkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/korea-plastic-surgery-7.jpg

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5B7crepi--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/lshy8mxw03nbe3jgmjfd.jpg

    http://styleslum.com/news_images/1/post_images/korean-plastic-surgery.jpg

    Oh my goodness, Katharine, I do believe you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures. (The “after” ones to which are being referred)

    Goodness. Korean beauty. Or at least an idealized form helped along by skilled surgeons knives. Is THIS the face of world beauty? Would THAT be considered what all fair ladies should hope to strive for?

    Admittedly it may take some getting used to, that classic beauties such as Raquel Welch and Christie Brinkley now have global competition. But perhaps it is good to examine what the current global competition considers to be the ideal beauty.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures.
     
    If memory serves, I posted some Hapa photos a while back.....Of course, those gals were all part Euro.....So maybe this is my first 100% non-Euro Gallery of Beauty....
  66. Yeah, Korean women are gorgeous.

    29-year old Olympic gold medalist figure skater Yuna Kim:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Are figure skating and rowing the only sports in which one leads with one's backside? It shows in her case.
    , @Rodolfo
    Total certainty that there is a lot of photoshop in this image. Koreans don't have that ass shape.
    , @Dumbo
    She looks very comely. At least from behind.
  67. Your average Korean is pretty dark. Every now and then you’ll run into a northern Chinese with pinkish white skin (who almost certainly has some western ancestry from some recent or ancient source), and some Japanese have that porcelain white complexion, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a full-blooded Korean that fair. Light skinned, yes, but not white.

    Koreans are about the most purely Mongoloid people on earth. The pinkish white complexion is not in their genetic inventory.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I did used to know a Korean lady who was very light skinned and had reddish brown hair, so they do exists. Rare, especially in South Korea.
    , @syonredux

    Your average Korean is pretty dark.
     
    Not when measured on a world-wide scale.....


    https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/13_evow_ch26.jpg
  68. My young teen daughter and her friends are enamored with the Korean pop stars in the boy band BTS, which as far as I can tell is currently is near synonymous/ubiquitous with Kpop (Korean popular). Those girl bands, although without argument visually appealing, are side-notes by comparison.

    “BTS, also known as Bangtan Boys, is an acronym for the Korean expression Bangtan Sonyeondan, meaning Bulletproof Boy Scouts. In July 2017, they announced they’d also be known as Beyond the Scene.”

    BTS’s 1st mega-hit was/is ironically titled DNA :

    The current big hit show in China is “Untamed”. I’ve been subjected to it at the dinner table nightly over the past few weeks. If you’re interested (ya I know, in what level of hell) it can be accessed on both YouTube & Netflix:

    In any event, it’s all “light” skinned.

  69. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    Goodness!

    More and more smutty pictures!

    Do keep posting them, Katharine.

  70. @R.G. Camara
    That's also the reason why tans among white women were frowned upon until the late 19th-early 20th century: only wealthy women could afford to stay indoors, while poor women had to work outside a lot: drawing water for the well, chasing after children, getting groceries, tending the garden, etc. When Jane Austen made the heroine of Pride and Prejudice ruddy-faced from walking through the fields in the sun and Mr. Darcy finds it attractive, it was a sign to her audience that Austen's book was part-parody.

    What happened in the late 19th Century to change this long-held ideal against sun damaged women?

    Industrialization.

    Suddenly, all those farm girls and scullery maids ran off en masse to factories to work indoors all day in dusty, dark rooms. So nobody had a tan. So,in a reversal, rich women began to show their rich status by promoting how much they tanned and summering at the beach. IIRC, this is the same period where Newport Rhode Island and other sunny seaside resorts for the rich became big news---the better for the girl to get her tan on in the summer.

    People think it was all Coco Chanel promoting her own, but she was not the kickstarter. (As a side note, many blacks claim its because whites envied black women's darkness as attractive, which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie).

    How many intra-female rivalry fights are blamed on men/whites, when really its about the females of one racial group's females having prestige contests and catfighting? i.e. the old paper bag test among blacks, "good hair" left-handed compliments among blacks, Asian women getting eye-enlarging surgery, nose-shrinking surgery, etc.)

    The sun/ no-sun thing is possibly the biggest factor, but not the only factor.

    In Asia, as in Europe, people from the northern areas were often socially higher than people from southern areas. Just as a tall, light skinned northern Italian might look down on a shorter, swathy Sicilian, a tall, light skinned fancy Asian might consider a shorter darker Asian to be more of a jungle Asian.

    Supposedly in Korean culture the girls of the north are considered the most beautiful. Those girls may have some Manchu or some other non-Korean northern blood. I used to know a young Korean lady whose family was from the extreme northern part of Korea before the Korean War. She had very light skin and actually dark reddish brown hair.

    So I wonder how much of the plastic surgery and skin whitening is to make the ladies appear more northern.

  71. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    So, apparently, it’s 1965 in Korea?

  72. I find it a bit odd to liken the phenonema of Sth Korean K Pop music to the British popular music of the 1960s

    Maybe I ‘m not being objective , being a (non British ) native English speaker , but my impression , for what it’s worth , is that Britain has always had a fairly large footprint in the wider world .
    British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places -Sth Korean not so much

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    On the other hand, both the British Invasion and K-Pop are derivative.

    The British bands followed American music. Places like London and Liverpool were the first places the new American records would arrive. The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music and whitened the music a bit for the white British audience.

    K-Pop is derived from J-Pop which is derived from the predominantly black girl groups (and sometimes boy bands). In many ways, groups like the Supremes and Destiny’s Child and the Jackson Five are the ancestors of K-Pop. K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.
    , @AndrewR
    Britain had an empire and South Korea hasn't, but I can't think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at "exporting" its music as SK has.
    , @European-American
    > British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places
    > Sth Korean not so much

    I suppose for you “many places” does not include Asia?

    K-pop has been huge in Asia for some time.

    Of course, it seems more artificial, corporate, and deliberately nostalgic then the British Invasion of the 60s. But these are different times.

    Anyway, even if it’s not that huge a deal in the West, it’s massive in Asia. You know, that place that’s becoming the new center of the world?
  73. @Peterike
    “Jaray said the trend began about 20 years ago when a Korean costume drama, “Dae Jang Guem,” which told the story of a female doctor elevated from being a royal maid during the historical Joseon period, became popular in Thailand, driving a new demand for Korean food and products.”

    How stupid are these people?

    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real “problem immigrants” and mauling our legal character but you’re wrong-footed here, on every point.
    It’s like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn’t amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.

    • Replies: @peterike

    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real “problem immigrants” and mauling our legal character but you’re wrong-footed here, on every point.
     
    Hey, I really enjoyed "Downton Abbey" but I didn't start dressing for dinner.
    , @Clyde

    It’s like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn’t amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.
     
    I am neutral on bulgogi but not on kimchi. Every few months I buy some at a Korean owned Asian market where they make their own Kimchi in the back. And despite being full of red pepper, is not too hot and spicy. Koreans have only had capsicum for 500 years. I suppose their kimchi was not spicy before then.

    Easy to understand kimchi recipe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXhJcdXPyYI This guy is intelligent despite the long hippie hair.

    Tofu gets the bad soy boy rap but Korean cuisine has lots of tofu in it.
  74. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    Yeah . I’m currently in Thailand
    It’s always intrigued me that the further North you go the poorer are the locals and the paler the complexion .

    Seems the wrong way around

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    North as in Chiang Mai? I hear the girls lean towards pale and beautiful. Northeast as in Isaan, the people get poor and brown.

    I have been through Isaan a few times. The people also tend to be easy-going and friendly.
  75. @Anonymous
    The Koreans seem to be inspired by Japanese anime, which is inspired by the look of white people.

    https://i.imgur.com/iJD4WCa.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/O0Qi8Hs.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/GoGTiH7.jpg

    These are joke images meant to rile people up.. there are multiple versions floating around, it’s quite easy to make a case in either direction by comparing a few pictures.

  76. @sb
    Yeah . I'm currently in Thailand
    It's always intrigued me that the further North you go the poorer are the locals and the paler the complexion .

    Seems the wrong way around

    North as in Chiang Mai? I hear the girls lean towards pale and beautiful. Northeast as in Isaan, the people get poor and brown.

    I have been through Isaan a few times. The people also tend to be easy-going and friendly.

  77. @Bill P
    Your average Korean is pretty dark. Every now and then you'll run into a northern Chinese with pinkish white skin (who almost certainly has some western ancestry from some recent or ancient source), and some Japanese have that porcelain white complexion, but I don't think I've ever met a full-blooded Korean that fair. Light skinned, yes, but not white.

    Koreans are about the most purely Mongoloid people on earth. The pinkish white complexion is not in their genetic inventory.

    I did used to know a Korean lady who was very light skinned and had reddish brown hair, so they do exists. Rare, especially in South Korea.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    She probably had some steppe/central asian ancestry. It's pretty common among Mongols and Manchus, so I'm sure a little has made it's way into Korea over time.

    If you look at the famous portrait of the Manchu Kangxi emperor, he looks pinkish white:

    https://epochtimes.today/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Kangxi_Emperor-678x381.jpg

    I've seen that look, along with the light eyes, among northern Chinese, but not Koreans. There must be a few of those types in Korea, but I bet they've got some inner Asian ancestry.
  78. @syonredux
    Korean girls do have a certain appeal....


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2017/04/kpop-fandom-ranking-april-2017-girls-day.jpg


    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2016/01/2016-kpop-cosmic-girls-wjsn-debut33.jpg


    https://kpopstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/korean-girl-group-kpop-band-tara-jiyeon-straight-hair-long-hairstyles-for-girls-women-kpopstuff.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VWoJmyeVkYk/W3db513OWHI/AAAAAAACW-k/VpP3OqyTj8Q2xnJZg3u5a8wbgBop83s5ACLcBGAs/s1600/seolhyun.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/bf/b3/e2bfb3f4395054ea0353ab5961860078.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3KegwZGQs9E/VYC-bSPEitI/AAAAAAAAOxg/93nH30HpKJE/s1600/mu%2Bkorea4.jpg


    http://image.cine21.com/cine21/article/2014/0421/13_47_28__5354a2e07f60e.jpg

    Chewy aside, those are all ugly and Tzuyu is Chinese (Taiwan), so…

    As someone who watches my fair share of Asian drama, the girls in Chinese dramas and more ‘natural’ looking than their Korean counterparts.

  79. Consider the universal association of women and the moon. Obviously, those women considered more ‘moonlike’ would be highly prized for ritual purposes. I mean, in pre-modern times, the moon turning dark was considered a bad omen. Does that mean that only fair women were considered attractive in those cultures, no? Only that fair women were prized in certain environments and for certain tasks.

    That theory of ‘task preference’, for me, also explains the Asian obsession. It is pretty much universal knowledge that darker skin tones don’t come off as well in the cameras. That leads to a natural selection of fairer people being selected for on-camera tasks. Some people will find that appealing and choose to bleach or do plastic surgery to reflect that. It’s the same reason people want bigger breasts or larger muscles or use penis pumps. It just hit me, but what does the ubiquity of incest and cuckoldry in porn portend?

    P.S The navel gazing this topic invites is and always has been tedious.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton

    Consider the universal association of women and the moon. Obviously, those women considered more ‘moonlike’ would be highly prized for ritual purposes. I mean, in pre-modern times, the moon turning dark was considered a bad omen. Does that mean that only fair women were considered attractive in those cultures, no? Only that fair women were prized in certain environments and for certain tasks.
     
    Like many people in this comment section, you appear to be severely confused. There is no "universal" gendering of the moon or sun. In Arab culture, the moon is masculine, the sun feminine. In both Germanic lore and the modern German language, the sun is femme and tbe moon masculine. In Turkic culture, Ay Ata is the moon God and he married the female Sun (Gun Ana). The creator God of the world in Tengrism is a "pure white" man who impregnated the brown Earth with a "ray of light".
  80. @sb
    I find it a bit odd to liken the phenonema of Sth Korean K Pop music to the British popular music of the 1960s

    Maybe I 'm not being objective , being a (non British ) native English speaker , but my impression , for what it's worth , is that Britain has always had a fairly large footprint in the wider world .
    British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places -Sth Korean not so much

    On the other hand, both the British Invasion and K-Pop are derivative.

    The British bands followed American music. Places like London and Liverpool were the first places the new American records would arrive. The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music and whitened the music a bit for the white British audience.

    K-Pop is derived from J-Pop which is derived from the predominantly black girl groups (and sometimes boy bands). In many ways, groups like the Supremes and Destiny’s Child and the Jackson Five are the ancestors of K-Pop. K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.
     
    The Osmonds go waaaaaay back:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-OwU9nXQQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRzaqfs14D4
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    You've got this exactly backwards.

    "The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music..."

    There is no such thing as "very" anything with respect to American music. Black American music is, foundationally, mostly divided into blues and jazz. Blues is highly derivative of Irish and English folk-music styles: it would not be too crazy to say that the Blues is a highly syncopated, sharpened version of Irish folk music, fused with English ballad structure. If you like Jimi Hendrix, keep in mind you are listening to a highly syncopated and electrified version of a Sligo fiddler from the 18th century.

    Jazz, similarly, is largely a very syncopated version of late 19th-century French art music, and some syncopated Wagner. The idea of extended improvisational solos is not new, either: the greatest improviser in music history is commonly held to be J.S. Bach. If you syncopate the Brandenburg Concertos, you get... jazz. The great (and it WAS great) fundamental African insight in creating American music was: European music was tonally sophisticated, but rhythmically naive and simplistic. Louis Armstrong vastly improved Brecht/Weil's "The Moritat of Mackie Messer" by turning it into "Mack the Knife" and making it swing, but he didn't re-invent the wheel. The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop.

    American (black) rock and roll and R-n-b largely took off in Liverpool because the locals were mostly really Irish, and they were hearing their own folk music played back to them with a different more interesting backbeat. It was all already so familiar. Plus the Yanks were rich and sexy and had no class-system hangups, anything the Yanks did was going to seem groovy.
  81. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    >Japanese white cosmetic
    Yes, and they also dyed their teeth and gums black. Upper class Europeans of both sexes relied a kind of dry whiteface to prevent skin parasites (ditto shaving their natural hair and opting for a starchy wig).

    Parasites? People in that time and place didn’t worry about skin parasites. There barely are any in Northern Europe. They were trying to cover up pockmarks from smallpox. That used to be the scourge before the vaccine, and it ruined an awful lot of faces, even those among the upper class.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >there were no lice in the age of enlightenment
    STEVEN PINKER IS THAT YOU
    ah sister james i have such doubts
  82. @Anonymous
    Yeah, Korean women are gorgeous.

    29-year old Olympic gold medalist figure skater Yuna Kim:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c7/38/c6/c738c67755e7e39d5b32ef0704c8fb1f.jpg
     

    Are figure skating and rowing the only sports in which one leads with one’s backside? It shows in her case.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    She could also have had rear implants, you know. Have to consider that possibility. If skin whitening and plastic surgery are popular in Korea, well then....
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Someone replied to your post implants -- posh! Even male skaters have well-shaped back sides.
  83. Didn’t Frost (Peter, not Robert) had this theory about sexual selection and lighter skin in women? For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, here's my review in 2005 of Peter Frost's book:

    https://vdare.com/articles/blondes-have-deeper-roots

    , @Sam Coulton

    For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.
     
    That is incorrect. You'd be ill-advised to continue making blanket assumptions about this subject based on what you think you remember about one person's book.
  84. @Paleo Liberal
    On the other hand, both the British Invasion and K-Pop are derivative.

    The British bands followed American music. Places like London and Liverpool were the first places the new American records would arrive. The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music and whitened the music a bit for the white British audience.

    K-Pop is derived from J-Pop which is derived from the predominantly black girl groups (and sometimes boy bands). In many ways, groups like the Supremes and Destiny’s Child and the Jackson Five are the ancestors of K-Pop. K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.

    K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.

    The Osmonds go waaaaaay back:

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Nice. I liked them better when they weren’t trying to be a paler Jackson Five.
  85. @Reg Cæsar

    K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.
     
    The Osmonds go waaaaaay back:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-OwU9nXQQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRzaqfs14D4

    Nice. I liked them better when they weren’t trying to be a paler Jackson Five.

  86. @Paleo Liberal
    On the other hand, both the British Invasion and K-Pop are derivative.

    The British bands followed American music. Places like London and Liverpool were the first places the new American records would arrive. The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music and whitened the music a bit for the white British audience.

    K-Pop is derived from J-Pop which is derived from the predominantly black girl groups (and sometimes boy bands). In many ways, groups like the Supremes and Destiny’s Child and the Jackson Five are the ancestors of K-Pop. K-Pop is about as original as the Osmonds.

    You’ve got this exactly backwards.

    “The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music…”

    There is no such thing as “very” anything with respect to American music. Black American music is, foundationally, mostly divided into blues and jazz. Blues is highly derivative of Irish and English folk-music styles: it would not be too crazy to say that the Blues is a highly syncopated, sharpened version of Irish folk music, fused with English ballad structure. If you like Jimi Hendrix, keep in mind you are listening to a highly syncopated and electrified version of a Sligo fiddler from the 18th century.

    Jazz, similarly, is largely a very syncopated version of late 19th-century French art music, and some syncopated Wagner. The idea of extended improvisational solos is not new, either: the greatest improviser in music history is commonly held to be J.S. Bach. If you syncopate the Brandenburg Concertos, you get… jazz. The great (and it WAS great) fundamental African insight in creating American music was: European music was tonally sophisticated, but rhythmically naive and simplistic. Louis Armstrong vastly improved Brecht/Weil’s “The Moritat of Mackie Messer” by turning it into “Mack the Knife” and making it swing, but he didn’t re-invent the wheel. The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop.

    American (black) rock and roll and R-n-b largely took off in Liverpool because the locals were mostly really Irish, and they were hearing their own folk music played back to them with a different more interesting backbeat. It was all already so familiar. Plus the Yanks were rich and sexy and had no class-system hangups, anything the Yanks did was going to seem groovy.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In the last quarter of the 19th century in New Orleans, about a dozen mixed race young musicians were sent by their wealthy white fathers to study composition in France. Most of them came back to New Orleans and added notably to the musical sophistication of the city.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Of course American music was the combination of several musical traditions coming together in a variety of ways. I once heard a music professor from Memphis on the radio talking about all the incredible unique styles of music within a day’s drive. There are few places in the world with that sort of variety in that small an area.

    And you have a point — there is a strong Celtic influence on American music, and Liverpool was quite Celtic. For example, Sir Paul was from a very musical Irish Catholic family. Not sure a Protestant could have written Let it Be. Yes, I know he was referring to his own mother, named Mary. But the Beatles weren’t Horslips. They played Chuck Berry and the Isley Brothers, not Irish music.

    This makes K-Pop even more derivative. Both the U.K. and Korea had long, proud music traditions, but K-Pop is derivative of traditions with roots in other continents, while Brit pop was derived from music with British roots.
    , @GoRedWings!

    The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop
     
    .

    While I agree with most of your profound and eloquent comment, including the pessimistic outlook for Western civilization, I believe all is not lost. Maybe the internet arrived just in time to conserve and make ultra-accessible the artefacts of a culture in (temporary?) decline. (Maybe the internet, and not the end of the Cold War, or de-industrialization, or what have you, also sorta initiated said decline) What's important is that there is both a classical tradition and an avantgarde that survive and thrive in the digital era of downloads and live-streams and continue to produce outstanding quality. As long as the very ideas of quality, of excellence, of real progress exist, I feel confident some people will strive to achieve them. There will probably never be a 'cultural mainstream' again, but then, the best artists of the 20th century were not exactly mainstream either.
  87. Anonymous[498] • Disclaimer says:

    The ultimate irony is that in many ‘western’ lands, not just the USA, but the ancient lands of western Europe upon which the white race originated, *hatred* of white people – and not to mention white skin – is the unspoken but official Government and Deep State (Economist) policy.
    One would be a damned fool, if not an unscrupulous liar, not to realise that the current western political orthodoxy (Economist) of all-in immigration from the dark skinned world has, as it’s *obvious* aim the *destruction of the white race* and *nothing but the destruction of the white race* is its entire raison d’etre.
    All other ‘arguments’ whether filthy lies based on ‘economics’ or ‘ethics’ are so contemptibly weak as not be worth a moment’s attention to the free thinking man.

    • Agree: Lurker
  88. @Paleo Liberal
    I did used to know a Korean lady who was very light skinned and had reddish brown hair, so they do exists. Rare, especially in South Korea.

    She probably had some steppe/central asian ancestry. It’s pretty common among Mongols and Manchus, so I’m sure a little has made it’s way into Korea over time.

    If you look at the famous portrait of the Manchu Kangxi emperor, he looks pinkish white:

    I’ve seen that look, along with the light eyes, among northern Chinese, but not Koreans. There must be a few of those types in Korea, but I bet they’ve got some inner Asian ancestry.

  89. The ‘Houris’ of Paradise are said to have skin of the ‘whitest white’ but the ‘darkest of dark’ eyes.

  90. Three young Korean entertainers were found dead in quick succession. Anyone know what that’s about?

    • Replies: @SOL
    Two of them were supposedly friends are were dealing with cyberbullying and revenge porn issues. The most recent, an actor, I don't know what his story is.
  91. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Consider the universal association of women and the moon. Obviously, those women considered more 'moonlike' would be highly prized for ritual purposes. I mean, in pre-modern times, the moon turning dark was considered a bad omen. Does that mean that only fair women were considered attractive in those cultures, no? Only that fair women were prized in certain environments and for certain tasks.

    That theory of 'task preference', for me, also explains the Asian obsession. It is pretty much universal knowledge that darker skin tones don't come off as well in the cameras. That leads to a natural selection of fairer people being selected for on-camera tasks. Some people will find that appealing and choose to bleach or do plastic surgery to reflect that. It's the same reason people want bigger breasts or larger muscles or use penis pumps. It just hit me, but what does the ubiquity of incest and cuckoldry in porn portend?

    P.S The navel gazing this topic invites is and always has been tedious.

    Consider the universal association of women and the moon. Obviously, those women considered more ‘moonlike’ would be highly prized for ritual purposes. I mean, in pre-modern times, the moon turning dark was considered a bad omen. Does that mean that only fair women were considered attractive in those cultures, no? Only that fair women were prized in certain environments and for certain tasks.

    Like many people in this comment section, you appear to be severely confused. There is no “universal” gendering of the moon or sun. In Arab culture, the moon is masculine, the sun feminine. In both Germanic lore and the modern German language, the sun is femme and tbe moon masculine. In Turkic culture, Ay Ata is the moon God and he married the female Sun (Gun Ana). The creator God of the world in Tengrism is a “pure white” man who impregnated the brown Earth with a “ray of light”.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    P.S The navel-gazing this topic invites is and always has been tedious.

    The theory was deliberately facetious (:
  92. Not to mention the obsession many have with round eyes ….

  93. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    You've got this exactly backwards.

    "The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music..."

    There is no such thing as "very" anything with respect to American music. Black American music is, foundationally, mostly divided into blues and jazz. Blues is highly derivative of Irish and English folk-music styles: it would not be too crazy to say that the Blues is a highly syncopated, sharpened version of Irish folk music, fused with English ballad structure. If you like Jimi Hendrix, keep in mind you are listening to a highly syncopated and electrified version of a Sligo fiddler from the 18th century.

    Jazz, similarly, is largely a very syncopated version of late 19th-century French art music, and some syncopated Wagner. The idea of extended improvisational solos is not new, either: the greatest improviser in music history is commonly held to be J.S. Bach. If you syncopate the Brandenburg Concertos, you get... jazz. The great (and it WAS great) fundamental African insight in creating American music was: European music was tonally sophisticated, but rhythmically naive and simplistic. Louis Armstrong vastly improved Brecht/Weil's "The Moritat of Mackie Messer" by turning it into "Mack the Knife" and making it swing, but he didn't re-invent the wheel. The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop.

    American (black) rock and roll and R-n-b largely took off in Liverpool because the locals were mostly really Irish, and they were hearing their own folk music played back to them with a different more interesting backbeat. It was all already so familiar. Plus the Yanks were rich and sexy and had no class-system hangups, anything the Yanks did was going to seem groovy.

    In the last quarter of the 19th century in New Orleans, about a dozen mixed race young musicians were sent by their wealthy white fathers to study composition in France. Most of them came back to New Orleans and added notably to the musical sophistication of the city.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    When I was a kid, a lot of the local bars still had upright pianos in the back, and I had a deal with some of the bartenders who would let me practice in the afternoons, when it was quiet and wasn't too busy (it was too noisy and crowded at my house to practice seriously). Some of the cranky old-man afternoon customers would get annoyed at hearing a 13-year-old kid stumbling his way through Chopin and Schumann, so I started to syncopate classical music to make it sound more like honky tonk. And suddenly they started buying me drinks.

    If you play "Basin Street Blues" in straight time, without swinging, it sounds like a Chopin prelude. Brahms grew up playing piano in a whorehouse. The world is funnier than people think.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Not surprising. I am just a few months younger than you. In my youth I was especially attracted to the forms of popular music which depended on classical training. That included the entire prog rock genre, and also American music such as Zappa, the Allman Brothers and Hendrix.

    Growing up in a college town in the Ozarks, I knew a hillbilly fiddler who was in my HS orchestra. He wasn’t a very talented classical violinist, but I did get to see him fiddle once. It was nice. He wanted the classical training to go along with his fiddling. He eventually wound up as a custodian in the building where my father taught.
    , @CBTerry
    Not directly on point, but this does remind me of Chevalier de Saint-George; I wonder if he was something of a forerunner.
    https://youtu.be/kmiuh_OL2Zg
  94. @Dumbo
    Didn't Frost (Peter, not Robert) had this theory about sexual selection and lighter skin in women? For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.

    Right, here’s my review in 2005 of Peter Frost’s book:

    https://vdare.com/articles/blondes-have-deeper-roots

  95. @Peripatetic Commenter

    I believe Japanese geisha girls used to use white makeup even before Commodore Peary arrived.
     
    It was caused by racist mental projection by white Europeans on the people of color around the world.

    Surely you realize that, Steve!

    Perry was the American military leader and patriot who opened up Japan. Peary was a navy officer who visited cold spots way up north..

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. You correctly discerned by confusion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peary

    I also get the Arctic explorer Peary confused with the Arctic and Antarctic explorer Byrd who was related to the Virginia and West Virginia politicians Byrd of the 18th through 21st Centuries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd#Ancestry

    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    You missed the point.

    White racism does not need the presence of whites among peoples of color to oppress peoples of color.

    The mere existence of whites oppresses people of color by creating a standard that they are driven to aspire to because racism. If whites did not exist they would not have to aspire to a higher standard.
  96. @R.G. Camara
    Pedophiles seem drawn to both anime and Star Trek (TOS, specifically) . According to police lore, not every Star Trek fan is a pedophile, but every pedophile has a picture of Spock on his wall when they bust in to arrest him.

    I’d add Disney stuff to that list. Any grown man who’s into that stuff is likely psycho. With the obvious exception of those who temporarily feign interest for the sake of their young daughters.

    And Star Trek? All of it, Not just TOS.

  97. Comments closed on the Indian beauty queen post, so I am posting this here… the lady in this clip won Miss India back in the 1960s. The song is from a 1967 Indian movie. The woman is lighter than the man but not white skinned. So you didn’t have to look white to win a Miss India contest. I showed this video to a friend of mine who had never seen Bollywood and what impressed him the most was how feminine the woman was. This used to be the thing with Indian women (my parents are from India) – they dressed modestly and were feminine. Then again, that used to be the case with American women, too!

    Indians (as well as Koreans, etc.) do favor lighter skinned women. I think it does come down to the idea that a lighter skinned woman is more feminine, while a darker skinned man is more robust. But I personally also think, even if a woman isn’t physically beautiful, if she is feminine and has gracious, kind manners, then men will be attracted to her like bees to honey. At least masculine men will. Masculine men crave feminine women. JMHO

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Generally speaking, the typical black woman is more aggressive, ill mannered, ill-bred and surly unpleasant than the very worst guttersnipe white man.
    , @Anon
    Being delicate and ladylike in the USA today means you get trampled on. It takes pushiness to work a job. The privilege of being delicate and ladylike is reserved for women who are protected. They must have a man to look after them, and they must have the luxury of not working a job. Working a job makes you hard-headed, business-like and coarser. Women must consciously toughen themselves up to handle the strains and stresses of a job outside the home, and that does not create delicacy or lady-like behavior. It creates chronic stress in a woman, and her temper becomes bitchy.

    You're a guy who wants to marry a delicate little flower? Try to make a lot more money. You'll need to keep her character preserved in a specialized environment that keeps her happy and free from stress. You have to work for a woman like that.

  98. @Charon
    Perry was the American military leader and patriot who opened up Japan. Peary was a navy officer who visited cold spots way up north..

    Thanks. You correctly discerned by confusion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peary

    I also get the Arctic explorer Peary confused with the Arctic and Antarctic explorer Byrd who was related to the Virginia and West Virginia politicians Byrd of the 18th through 21st Centuries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd#Ancestry

  99. @Sam Coulton

    Consider the universal association of women and the moon. Obviously, those women considered more ‘moonlike’ would be highly prized for ritual purposes. I mean, in pre-modern times, the moon turning dark was considered a bad omen. Does that mean that only fair women were considered attractive in those cultures, no? Only that fair women were prized in certain environments and for certain tasks.
     
    Like many people in this comment section, you appear to be severely confused. There is no "universal" gendering of the moon or sun. In Arab culture, the moon is masculine, the sun feminine. In both Germanic lore and the modern German language, the sun is femme and tbe moon masculine. In Turkic culture, Ay Ata is the moon God and he married the female Sun (Gun Ana). The creator God of the world in Tengrism is a "pure white" man who impregnated the brown Earth with a "ray of light".

    P.S The navel-gazing this topic invites is and always has been tedious.

    The theory was deliberately facetious (:

  100. @Cagey Beast
    I'm in the middle of listening to the audiobook of Haruki Murakami's 1Q84. It has lots of young female characters. While looking at these pictures I was deciding which one looks like how I pictured the fictional young nurse, the daughter of the cult leader, the adulterous older woman, the elementary school vice-principal, the slutty policewoman and the fitness instructor/assassin in the novel.

    Related to our recent discussion of World War II, one of the girls is reading a book about the Japanese railway system in Manchuria in 1Q84, IIRC.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  101. I’m surprised they’re blaming Koreans, but not Whites for this light skin craze in Thailand. SJW interns are getting sloppy.
    As for Asian ladies, Koreans have better curves and complexions but Thai women have more beautiful facial features and slim builds with yummy legs. While Chinese and Japanese women are all over the shop.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    This article is better than the average of its genre.
    , @AndrewR
    Well SJWs say whiteness is entirely a social construct, so there's no reason it couldn't be extended to Koreans.
  102. @Dumbo
    Didn't Frost (Peter, not Robert) had this theory about sexual selection and lighter skin in women? For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.

    For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.

    That is incorrect. You’d be ill-advised to continue making blanket assumptions about this subject based on what you think you remember about one person’s book.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Go complain to Mr. Frost, not to me.

    In general, traditional human societies share a belief that women should be fairer-skinned than men (van den Berghe and Frost, 1986). This cultural norm runs parallel to a physical norm, i.e., in all human populations, women are less pigmented than men from puberty onward. Both melanin and cutaneous blood are involved, with the result that women look paler and men browner and ruddier. Women also display a sharper contrast between facial skin color and eye/lip color. These visual cues are subconsciously used by the human mind to determine whether an individual is a man or a women (Dupuis-Roy et al., 2009; Frost, 2011; Russell, 2010; Russell, 2003; Russell and Sinha, 2007; Tarr et al., 2001).

     

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/white-skin-privilege/
  103. @BB753
    I'm surprised they're blaming Koreans, but not Whites for this light skin craze in Thailand. SJW interns are getting sloppy.
    As for Asian ladies, Koreans have better curves and complexions but Thai women have more beautiful facial features and slim builds with yummy legs. While Chinese and Japanese women are all over the shop.

    This article is better than the average of its genre.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Monsieur le Baron
    I was very surprised to see it in The Diplomat since it's basically an Asian geopolitical magazine.

    Eventually, all journalism will be about hair.
  104. @White Guy In Japan
    In Thailand, a woman can get her hoo-hah whitened as well.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/23/thailand-vaginal-whitening-wash

    (I've been doing research on this Serious Problem for years. Will report results soon.)

    Maybe they can get a combo deal with anal bleaching, which helps porn starlets avoid that top-of-the-organic-apple look.

  105. @syonredux
    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled....


    http://www.connectkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/korea-plastic-surgery-7.jpg

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5B7crepi--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/lshy8mxw03nbe3jgmjfd.jpg

    http://styleslum.com/news_images/1/post_images/korean-plastic-surgery.jpg

    And then you marry one and all your kids are ugly…

    • Replies: @Tlotsi
    There was a case where some Asian man was trying to divorce his wife, because all their children came out ugly, due to her good looks being the product of plastic surgery.
  106. @ssohara
    Comments closed on the Indian beauty queen post, so I am posting this here... the lady in this clip won Miss India back in the 1960s. The song is from a 1967 Indian movie. The woman is lighter than the man but not white skinned. So you didn't have to look white to win a Miss India contest. I showed this video to a friend of mine who had never seen Bollywood and what impressed him the most was how feminine the woman was. This used to be the thing with Indian women (my parents are from India) - they dressed modestly and were feminine. Then again, that used to be the case with American women, too!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqwfhYAoxs

    Indians (as well as Koreans, etc.) do favor lighter skinned women. I think it does come down to the idea that a lighter skinned woman is more feminine, while a darker skinned man is more robust. But I personally also think, even if a woman isn't physically beautiful, if she is feminine and has gracious, kind manners, then men will be attracted to her like bees to honey. At least masculine men will. Masculine men crave feminine women. JMHO

    Generally speaking, the typical black woman is more aggressive, ill mannered, ill-bred and surly unpleasant than the very worst guttersnipe white man.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I cleave to my own personal, pet theory that the truest, clearest and most honest assessment of the general character of the male folk of a nation or ethny - which, thus, gives you some sort of indication of the prowess of the nation - and its basic governance and civil order - is found by judging the character of the women, which is usually, unlike male character, not hidden behind a mass of obfuscation and barriers.
  107. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Generally speaking, the typical black woman is more aggressive, ill mannered, ill-bred and surly unpleasant than the very worst guttersnipe white man.

    I cleave to my own personal, pet theory that the truest, clearest and most honest assessment of the general character of the male folk of a nation or ethny – which, thus, gives you some sort of indication of the prowess of the nation – and its basic governance and civil order – is found by judging the character of the women, which is usually, unlike male character, not hidden behind a mass of obfuscation and barriers.

  108. @Sam Coulton

    For sure fair skin in women was always considered a sign of beauty. In men, not so much.
     
    That is incorrect. You'd be ill-advised to continue making blanket assumptions about this subject based on what you think you remember about one person's book.

    Go complain to Mr. Frost, not to me.

    In general, traditional human societies share a belief that women should be fairer-skinned than men (van den Berghe and Frost, 1986). This cultural norm runs parallel to a physical norm, i.e., in all human populations, women are less pigmented than men from puberty onward. Both melanin and cutaneous blood are involved, with the result that women look paler and men browner and ruddier. Women also display a sharper contrast between facial skin color and eye/lip color. These visual cues are subconsciously used by the human mind to determine whether an individual is a man or a women (Dupuis-Roy et al., 2009; Frost, 2011; Russell, 2010; Russell, 2003; Russell and Sinha, 2007; Tarr et al., 2001).

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/white-skin-privilege/

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    Peter Frost is dishonest in his writings on UNZ and elsewhere online, and fails to acknowledge what he found in his own papers when his selection theory collapsed. Let's look at what he wrote in 2007:

    https://europepmc.org/article/med/17326100

    Human skin‐color sexual dimorphism: a test of the sexual selection hypothesis

    Peter Frost
    American journal of physical anthropology 133 (1), 779-780, 2007
    Women have lighter skin than men do across a wide range of populations, even on the unexposed skin of the upper inner arm, possibly because of sexual selection by men for lighter-skinned women. If this hypothesis is true, human skin color should become more sexually dimorphic with increasing distance from the equator, since sexual selection for lighter skin in women would be less constrained by natural selection for darker skin in both sexes. Yet when Madrigal and Kelly (2006) analyzed skin reflectance data from 53 different samples, they found that the most dimorphic human populations were actually those of medium skin color at medium latitudes.
     

    It is perhaps significant that this sex difference seems to disappear or even reverse itself when skin reflectance is close to the physiological maximum, notably in Dutch and Belgian subjects (Leguebe, 1961; van Rijn-Tournel, 1966; Rigters-Aris, 1973)
     
    Frost has never been able to wiggle his way out of the fact that in Europe, men are lighter skinned, and less brown, than women. "Dark men, fair women" is a third world attribute. It occurs primarily at mid-latitudal areas of the globe and becomes less pronounced with distance from tbe equator, and reverses itself at higher and lower latitudes.


    In Europe, the tradition is white men, dark women -- a legacy of the tripartite admixture that created modern Europeans. Why don't you embrace your own heritage and stop hocking the failed mid-latitude tradition? Are you even European?
  109. @Lot
    Thailand is an interesting ethnic and physical mix of people.

    You have about 80% ethnic Thai, 10% Chinese, 10% “other” mix.

    The Chinese are the richest, but not dominant the way they are in Burma, Malaysia, etc.

    The 80% Thai group include fair skinned and relatively poor rural northerners, dark southerners who make a lot of money in agriculture if they own land, and the Bangkok area where the ethnic Thais are perhaps 40% Chinese by blood, but don’t speak Chinese and have Thai names and culture. The fact so many Thais have substantial but “old” Chinese blood and hence elevated IQs is one reason the Chinese-speaking Han minority is not economically dominant.

    These three “Thai” groups are all Thai speaking, Buddhist, and Thai nationalists who adored their late King, but look quite different. The Southerners can look almost like dark skinned South Indians with wavy oily hair, but with softer features and more mongoloid noses and eyes. They are obviously hybrid Caucasoid/Mongoloids. In the center you get the most diversity of appearance since you have the mixed-blood Chinese types as well as migrants from all over the country.

    The Northerners are pale (but can tan dark if they work outside) and often look like NE Asians, though they are unlikely to have NE Asian IQs.

    Here are two pretty Thai faces to illustrate the degree of intra-ethnic diversity.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mTFdc8lYo5s/T5K2YBSo-3I/AAAAAAAADCU/3xR0nJ2NgNw/s1600/Beautiful-Thai-girls-39.jpg

    http://www.roadjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/images/531.jpg

    First girl is waaayyyy prettier than the 2nd. I wouldn’t even call the 2nd girl “pretty.”

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    Wouldn't turn her down.
  110. Don’t know if this was Frost’s contribution but someone mentioned that fairness is a sign of youth (people tend to darken as they age) and triggers perceptions of youth/fertility when found in women.

  111. @anonymous
    no you are just low testosterone and don't really appreciate women.

    you would be that navy guy in Singapore who was bored and did not want to check out the local bars, and preferred to buy a few comic books at the local semi-Western hotel and read them in your bunk while the other sailors went out looking for love.

    hope that helps, I am not being critical ---- lust is bad ---- but you do sound like someone who really does not appreciate women.

    Uhm, I’m Sg chinese, happily married to a hot wife, two cute kids, maybe more on the way. Just for context.

    And yet I really can’t distinguish between chinese/korean/jap/vietnamese(fair) women, lol. My wife says there’re differences around the nose, the brow, and the chin, but I don’t see ’em. High cheek bones and big eyes seem to be universal though.

    Oh well, who cares as long as they are pretty and nice to look at. 🙂

  112. Anon[602] • Disclaimer says:

    White skin is a class signifier distinguishing people who must work outdoors from those who can stay inside.

    In the Tale of Genji, 11th century, the ladies ridicule the construction workers and the ox cart wranglers (enclosed ox carts being how the nobles moved around Heian-kyo (Kyoto) who work in the sun.

    The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon has more examples of the ladies never going outside. The Sarashina Diary (same period she reads the Tale of Genji as it is released) is written by a woman whose husband was sent as governor of a prefecture (province). She bitches about the gig because it’s the losers in the political games in Heian-kyo who get the job, and the living conditions are worse, including fewer servants to keep you out of the sun.

    Skin tone differs for different Japanese women, but some have truly white skin, whiter than Caucasian skin.

  113. @Steve Sailer
    In the last quarter of the 19th century in New Orleans, about a dozen mixed race young musicians were sent by their wealthy white fathers to study composition in France. Most of them came back to New Orleans and added notably to the musical sophistication of the city.

    When I was a kid, a lot of the local bars still had upright pianos in the back, and I had a deal with some of the bartenders who would let me practice in the afternoons, when it was quiet and wasn’t too busy (it was too noisy and crowded at my house to practice seriously). Some of the cranky old-man afternoon customers would get annoyed at hearing a 13-year-old kid stumbling his way through Chopin and Schumann, so I started to syncopate classical music to make it sound more like honky tonk. And suddenly they started buying me drinks.

    If you play “Basin Street Blues” in straight time, without swinging, it sounds like a Chopin prelude. Brahms grew up playing piano in a whorehouse. The world is funnier than people think.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    Dr. K on YT loves "Boogie Woogie" on public pianos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FnhJqL24fo
  114. @sb
    I find it a bit odd to liken the phenonema of Sth Korean K Pop music to the British popular music of the 1960s

    Maybe I 'm not being objective , being a (non British ) native English speaker , but my impression , for what it's worth , is that Britain has always had a fairly large footprint in the wider world .
    British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places -Sth Korean not so much

    Britain had an empire and South Korea hasn’t, but I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.

    • Replies: @GoRedWings!

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.
     
    Really.
    France (Chopin - Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It's an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.
  115. @BB753
    I'm surprised they're blaming Koreans, but not Whites for this light skin craze in Thailand. SJW interns are getting sloppy.
    As for Asian ladies, Koreans have better curves and complexions but Thai women have more beautiful facial features and slim builds with yummy legs. While Chinese and Japanese women are all over the shop.

    Well SJWs say whiteness is entirely a social construct, so there’s no reason it couldn’t be extended to Koreans.

  116. I spent a year’s tour in northeast Thailand in 1970-1971. A couple of us went to an out of the way town on a day trip. One of the guys was a Thai linguist. As we walked through the market he remarked that the Thai villagers were being very polite. I asked why he said that. He said that they were not talking about us (un-flatteringly) while we were standing in front of them. First I asked if those in the markets near our station were not the same way. He said, “No, they talk about us while we are standing in front of them.” I then said I thought they liked us. He responded, “Oh, they think we are pretty. But we are barbarians.” Yes, in Thailand they prefer lighter skin. As with the European aristocracy, those who are rich enough to stay out of the sun set the standard for beauty.

  117. Simple explanation: women have fairer skin than men. Women chose to heighten their feminine characteristics. Check out ancient Egyptian art. That distinction does not obtain in blacks so far as I know.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Women have more body fat than men, meaning their skins appear whiter than their menfolk's, even if they're actually the same.
  118. @Anonymous
    Yeah, Korean women are gorgeous.

    29-year old Olympic gold medalist figure skater Yuna Kim:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c7/38/c6/c738c67755e7e39d5b32ef0704c8fb1f.jpg
     

    Total certainty that there is a lot of photoshop in this image. Koreans don’t have that ass shape.

    • Replies: @HFR
    Koreans may not have that ass shape, but virtually all elite figure skaters do. So it's unlikely that that part of Yuna Kim's body was photoshopped.
  119. If you go to any anime or big comic con there more than likely will be at the very least a kpop panel or more than likely a karaoke sing off contest….

    I’m more a japanophile so to me kpop is more a rip off of jpop which itself ripped off American r&b….

    I guess they want to look more like white women which is ironic given that white girls in the USA are selling their looks for the lowest ghetto trash nowadays and dating the worst std filled men….because….daddy issues, I guess…..the Kardashians will go down in history for normalizing that dumpster diving….

  120. @Tusk
    OT: Because White women can't get a grift in the hair journalism game, it appears they are trying a new technique!

    I Got Inseminated In A Burger King Bathroom Just Off Route 57
     
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-insemination-pregnancy_n_5de56e01e4b0913e6f83b620?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=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&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAQOyR2EYHxUvlDuwlQqKa3R9uca2syfo_1c8vXSZhTnVgdJv0sVYMmMLKSErARx23j2jQNKdCuAdWNw5iCLqsdLgKJpI1axV_G3BIhZqulB8z2yC8qbkShQnxqixyPwJ1Uvmxc92qOThqH2kS60zbB8dK1eV84KJOPcWsjWGE_I

    Is there a contest among writers for the largest amount of crazy and stupid ideas and subjects they can include in a story? Because that story was overflowing with stupid and crazy.

  121. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Most Asians can't distinguish whites who look obviously Irish from say, those who look obviously Nordic or obviously Russian.

    I couldn't tell Asians apart reliably before I lived there for a while.

    How does one look obviously Irish? In my observation, there are a number of “Irish” looking faces. There is the dark-haired medium to pale skinned Irish such as Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, these men can have round to longish heads. Then there is the type with the large fleshy face with freckles and red or blonde hair that you see in the Kennedy males, Carroll O’Connor or Andy Rooney. Another type is the very nordic-looking type like Peter O’Toole with red to blonde hair with a long face and fair skin. Then there is the type with dark hair but with the same long-face as you see in Colin Farrell or Pierce Brosnan. In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.”

    ???

    https://metrobiography.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Colm-Meaney-300x432.jpeg
  122. @inertial
    Yesterday I learned that there is a Korean pop group named f(x). It's a girl band. Can you imagine a Western pop group with a name like that? I wonder what this tells us about Korean womanhood.

    Here is how their Wikipedia article explains the name:

    f(x) is a function of mathematics, which means that they would carry out various activities, based on the various talents and attractiveness of the members, like the formula whose results change depending on the value of x.
     
    This must be the most East Asian phrase I've seen this year.

    In addition, "f" symbolizes flower and "x" symbolizes 'X' on the female chromosome XX which, taken together, symbolizes "flower reminiscent of women."
     
    Okay!

    Forget about what Wikipedia says. The name means exactly what you think it means.

    Pop music is entirely about money and marketing; anything that would arouse the interest of a teenager is fair game. In our own country there was (is?) a girl band named “Hole.”

  123. @Sam Coulton
    Laughable.

    Everything you said in your post is completely wrong. In Europe and high/low latitude countries, it's men who are paler than women.

    Interestingly, we also see that in each of these four populations, men are more lightly pigmented in the unexposed skin of the inner arm than women, a fact that is underappreciated and may vary across the world.
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3485197/

    The hormone estradiol is what makes women attractive and feminine; in women with higher estradiol levels the skin is darker:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8251-hormone-levels-predict-attractiveness-of-women/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1560017/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1560017/bin/rspb20053296f01.jpg

    Composite faces of the (a) 10 women with highest and (b) 10 with lowest levels of late follicular oestrogen metabolite (oestrone-3-glucuronide, E1G).
     
    My bet is that you are a cuck or some kind of subversive here to confuse the audience. In the real world, men go for darker women, and women, for lighter men. Particularly in China.

    My bet is your dad liked them darker which is why you act like a hard r.

  124. As they all used to tell me, “it’s all pinkish white on the inside.”

  125. @Steve Sailer
    In the last quarter of the 19th century in New Orleans, about a dozen mixed race young musicians were sent by their wealthy white fathers to study composition in France. Most of them came back to New Orleans and added notably to the musical sophistication of the city.

    Not surprising. I am just a few months younger than you. In my youth I was especially attracted to the forms of popular music which depended on classical training. That included the entire prog rock genre, and also American music such as Zappa, the Allman Brothers and Hendrix.

    Growing up in a college town in the Ozarks, I knew a hillbilly fiddler who was in my HS orchestra. He wasn’t a very talented classical violinist, but I did get to see him fiddle once. It was nice. He wanted the classical training to go along with his fiddling. He eventually wound up as a custodian in the building where my father taught.

  126. @sb
    I find it a bit odd to liken the phenonema of Sth Korean K Pop music to the British popular music of the 1960s

    Maybe I 'm not being objective , being a (non British ) native English speaker , but my impression , for what it's worth , is that Britain has always had a fairly large footprint in the wider world .
    British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places -Sth Korean not so much

    > British cultural influences are noticeable to my eye in many places
    > Sth Korean not so much

    I suppose for you “many places” does not include Asia?

    K-pop has been huge in Asia for some time.

    Of course, it seems more artificial, corporate, and deliberately nostalgic then the British Invasion of the 60s. But these are different times.

    Anyway, even if it’s not that huge a deal in the West, it’s massive in Asia. You know, that place that’s becoming the new center of the world?

  127. Steve, glad that u brought it up:
    Chinese prefer fair skin females, long before Chinese came into contact with Europeans.
    It’s however only applied to feminine beauty. ‘little white face’小白脸 is a serious scorn to a male.
    Ancient Chinese heros/notables are often portrayed with red or darker complexion.
    Seems ancient Chinese seldom mentioned skin color as a racial feature, probably because all the other tribes had similar skin tones. During the Qing dynasty, Russians were given the nick name ‘hairy man’ 老毛子 because of the long beard the Russians in those days kept.
    Actually chinese were not aware they are ‘yellow’ on a global scale.
    Here’re some hints from Peking opera ‘face masks’:https://verveartsfest.weebly.com/peking-opera.html

  128. All over the world, the Fair Sex tends to be slightly fairer than the male sex, …

    Is this true? In the past, this could have been nurture more than nature, as men worked a whole lot outside in the sun (especially SE Asia). Women might have, but they made an effort to keep the sunshine off them, hence the still-seen Oriental ladies holding umbrellas on sunny days.

    This gets to the root of it. A darker complexion indicated a status of some peon out in the country, rather than a high-up office cadre, or what-have-you. Isn’t that where the original preference toward lighter skin came from, at least in China? (For me, BTW, lighter skin looks inherently nicer, but only up to a point.) Shape matters!

    Oriental women are sure that if they get a tan, it will not go away. Ask one. I don’t really know if this is right or not, but you’d think they’d know. I’ve gotten fried to a crackly crunch before, then fairly tan by September, but it was all gone by November.

    .

    and BTW, if they haven’t played at Shea Stadium yet, it’s not an invasion. I don’t know the name of a single one of these K-pop hotties. (Yes, Reg Caesar, I know Shea Stadium was torn down 10 years back to become a parking lot for Citi Field.)

  129. @UlickMcGee
    When I first came to Asia 25 years ago my Chinese boss lamented that his daughter had "black" skin while his son was pale. Chinese tradition, he told me, lauded the opposite combination because pale-skinned girls were more gentle and dark skinned boys tougher, traits that helped the sexes achieve success in life.

    A couple of years ago I went to Okinawa in winter and was surprised to see school tours of make up free Northern Japanese schoolgirls with snow white faces and a pink blush. I found it to be very charming, defintely more attractive than the standard Asian "yellow" which was also visible everywhere. Asians know that whiter asian skin is not only prettier, white-skinned girls are more delicate, feminine and submissive compared to the peers, closer to the feminine ideal, and so they want this look.

    There is science that suggests that skin pigmentation and aggression run on the same circuit in the body, the melanocortin system.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

    Animal breeders who in previous eras bred animals for tameness noted that animals like cows and horses changed from black to piebald, then to white as the breed domesticated.

    Western tradition also lauded pale-skinned beauties until recently. We should just accept what our elders told us: paler women are superior. Corollary, vampire-skinned, vegan soyboys should strip off their skinny jeans and hit the sunbed.

    Small brain british have to be much bigger to even think of beating up an asian kid , becuz you pinks are slow and uncoordinated an asian can put ten punch combinations before you can land even one ,also google asian kid 5’5″ dunks, 150 lbs viet guy bench presses 410lbs.

    • Replies: @UlickMcGee
    Yaw, non-stop jerking off to cartoon girlfriends speeds up your fists.
  130. @European-American
    Professor Suk-Young Kim has a good take on K-pop.

    She has a handy mnemonic framework in which the K can stand for:
    kaleidoscopic (multimedia, visual, versatile, multiple markets),
    keyboard / keypad (Youtube, social networks),
    kidult (fandom not just kids),
    korporate (driven by business),
    kleenex (disposable, ephemeral),
    and of course Korean.

    https://youtu.be/bA5rG7l1ang

    I still think it’s mostly junk, but it’s definitely a thing...

    Professor Suk Young? Really?? I wish I knew her when she Associate Professor Sukkier Younger.

    • Replies: @European-American
    I don't know much about Korea but I think Suk-Young 석영 is a fairly common Korean name. The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning "confer glory", but who knows? A Korean, probably...

    Regarding funny-sounding names, I'm always surprised when Americans are called "Dick". But I suppose for some it's really fitting. Homonyms, such fun, amirite?
  131. @Reg Cæsar
    Are figure skating and rowing the only sports in which one leads with one's backside? It shows in her case.

    She could also have had rear implants, you know. Have to consider that possibility. If skin whitening and plastic surgery are popular in Korea, well then….

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99-Eit4a3-0
  132. @syonredux
    Korean plastic surgeons are highly skilled....


    http://www.connectkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/korea-plastic-surgery-7.jpg

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5B7crepi--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/lshy8mxw03nbe3jgmjfd.jpg

    http://styleslum.com/news_images/1/post_images/korean-plastic-surgery.jpg

    White guys are losers these women are fools if they only knew if they immigrated to the US they would not have had to go under the knife, In theUS they could have the pick of powerful white men let alone the low class british descended redneck

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
  133. @Steve Sailer
    This article is better than the average of its genre.

    I was very surprised to see it in The Diplomat since it’s basically an Asian geopolitical magazine.

    Eventually, all journalism will be about hair.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Surreally oblivious story on the Moth, rebroadcast last night:
    >black woman runs an illegal gambling operation and buys her daughter a female quantity of shoes
    >black daughter comes to school in a different pair of shoes every day
    >teacher (who is specifically described as blue-eyed) notices this
    >[jump cut to static image of a burning cross]
    >daughter reports this to mother who, once again, is both a criminal and making no effort to hide it
    >mother decides to be more careful and combat 18" rose gold plated rim stereotypes of black spendthrift ---
    >just kidding, they get a hundred dollar bill and jet to Sak's
    >where they buy an expensive pair of yellow patent leather shoes (Sak's doesn't have top grain?)
    >and the white cashier had the same look seeing that hundred dollar bill as that white teacher seeing those shoes
    So you see, this wasn't about a female enjoyment of shows, no, not at all, this was about combatting awful racism (which I hate).
  134. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    You've got this exactly backwards.

    "The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music..."

    There is no such thing as "very" anything with respect to American music. Black American music is, foundationally, mostly divided into blues and jazz. Blues is highly derivative of Irish and English folk-music styles: it would not be too crazy to say that the Blues is a highly syncopated, sharpened version of Irish folk music, fused with English ballad structure. If you like Jimi Hendrix, keep in mind you are listening to a highly syncopated and electrified version of a Sligo fiddler from the 18th century.

    Jazz, similarly, is largely a very syncopated version of late 19th-century French art music, and some syncopated Wagner. The idea of extended improvisational solos is not new, either: the greatest improviser in music history is commonly held to be J.S. Bach. If you syncopate the Brandenburg Concertos, you get... jazz. The great (and it WAS great) fundamental African insight in creating American music was: European music was tonally sophisticated, but rhythmically naive and simplistic. Louis Armstrong vastly improved Brecht/Weil's "The Moritat of Mackie Messer" by turning it into "Mack the Knife" and making it swing, but he didn't re-invent the wheel. The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop.

    American (black) rock and roll and R-n-b largely took off in Liverpool because the locals were mostly really Irish, and they were hearing their own folk music played back to them with a different more interesting backbeat. It was all already so familiar. Plus the Yanks were rich and sexy and had no class-system hangups, anything the Yanks did was going to seem groovy.

    Of course American music was the combination of several musical traditions coming together in a variety of ways. I once heard a music professor from Memphis on the radio talking about all the incredible unique styles of music within a day’s drive. There are few places in the world with that sort of variety in that small an area.

    And you have a point — there is a strong Celtic influence on American music, and Liverpool was quite Celtic. For example, Sir Paul was from a very musical Irish Catholic family. Not sure a Protestant could have written Let it Be. Yes, I know he was referring to his own mother, named Mary. But the Beatles weren’t Horslips. They played Chuck Berry and the Isley Brothers, not Irish music.

    This makes K-Pop even more derivative. Both the U.K. and Korea had long, proud music traditions, but K-Pop is derivative of traditions with roots in other continents, while Brit pop was derived from music with British roots.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Paul's mother was Catholic but not his dad and I don't think he was raised Catholic. The rest of the band were a bit of a mixture as well in terms of the ethnic/religious affiliations of their families. Though Irish origin predominated.
  135. @J.Ross
    >BlackPink
    Pathetic, the patrician options are 4minute, SNSD, Stella, Spica, T-ara, Twice, or Brown Eyed Girls. And like fifty more. But not BlackPink.
    ------
    Now that the impeachment is a mess and indictments are coming, Democrats are probably going to try to distract people with --
    >UPS DRIVER SHOT AFTER PURSUIT IN SHADOWED BROWARD COUNTY
    No, a police shooting just isn't bizarre enough, and might be justified, even there. What they need is --
    >COLUMBUS OHIO NEIGHBORHOOD EVACUATED FOLLOWING REPORTS OF A NUCLEAR REACTOR IN A GARAGE
    Russell Seitz, is that you?
    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/12/05/emergency-crews-investigating-report-possible-small-nuclear-reactor-ohio-garage/2625141001/

    UPS DRIVER SHOT AFTER PURSUIT IN SHADOWED BROWARD COUNTY

    I really like how the pigs were using civilians as human shields while showing zero concern for the safety of the hostage or anyone else on the highway. “UPS driver” and “innocent bystander” would probably still be alive if Thin Blue Isis didn’t escalate this attempted robbery into a scene from GTA4 Vice City.

    “It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander”, FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.

    Were going to need plenty of trophies after this quadruple homicide…

    No Members of the Hero Squad were injured in the battle.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Clyde

    “It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander”, FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.
     
    The numerous police surrounded and unleashed, fired lots more bullets than the UPS hijackers. So odds are they killed the man in the car (bystander). Who killed the UPS driver? Was his first day on the job. What bad luck.
  136. @neprof
    Do you know what happen to the party guest who showed up late to the cannibal's dinner?

    He got the cold shoulder.

    What do rich cannibals eat?

    Peasant under glass.

    • Agree: Clyde
  137. @R.G. Camara
    That's also the reason why tans among white women were frowned upon until the late 19th-early 20th century: only wealthy women could afford to stay indoors, while poor women had to work outside a lot: drawing water for the well, chasing after children, getting groceries, tending the garden, etc. When Jane Austen made the heroine of Pride and Prejudice ruddy-faced from walking through the fields in the sun and Mr. Darcy finds it attractive, it was a sign to her audience that Austen's book was part-parody.

    What happened in the late 19th Century to change this long-held ideal against sun damaged women?

    Industrialization.

    Suddenly, all those farm girls and scullery maids ran off en masse to factories to work indoors all day in dusty, dark rooms. So nobody had a tan. So,in a reversal, rich women began to show their rich status by promoting how much they tanned and summering at the beach. IIRC, this is the same period where Newport Rhode Island and other sunny seaside resorts for the rich became big news---the better for the girl to get her tan on in the summer.

    People think it was all Coco Chanel promoting her own, but she was not the kickstarter. (As a side note, many blacks claim its because whites envied black women's darkness as attractive, which is another hilarious blacks-think-they-are-the-center-of-the-world lie).

    How many intra-female rivalry fights are blamed on men/whites, when really its about the females of one racial group's females having prestige contests and catfighting? i.e. the old paper bag test among blacks, "good hair" left-handed compliments among blacks, Asian women getting eye-enlarging surgery, nose-shrinking surgery, etc.)

    Ice dancing is an activity where avid participants take skating tests to be deemed to skate at different levels, much like the colored belts or a black belt in martial arts. You can take a skating test with a fellow avid amateur as a dance partner, but the Gold dance tests (like the black belt) are usually partnered with a highly skilled skater. This works much like that Dancing With The Stars TV program for ballroom dance, where contestants of varying abilities are paired with highly skilled partners with competition and teaching experience. It also works the same that there is a panel of three judges, who look critically at how you are skating and try to disregard how well your partner skates.

    I have a video of Gold dance test attempts, and in one, my partner and I are skating holding hands as part of a dance “introduction.” We hold hands to synchronize our skating stride while we build up speed before we assume a partner hold for the particular dance. Ice dancing is to ballroom as perhaps hockey is to lacrosse, and part of the thrill of ice dance, both to participant as well as observers is the speed that can be achieved on skates.

    Well, color balance on consumer-grade camcorders (this was 20 years ago) were always dodgy, but it is generally cold in a skating arena and we don’t wear gloves as we do in practice. In the picture, my hand is bright pink. My partner was an ethnic Chinese woman from Canada. I never thought of her skin tone as anything but white, but her hand in the video is yellow. So there is something to an East Asian skin tone?

  138. @Charon
    Perry was the American military leader and patriot who opened up Japan. Peary was a navy officer who visited cold spots way up north..

    You missed the point.

    White racism does not need the presence of whites among peoples of color to oppress peoples of color.

    The mere existence of whites oppresses people of color by creating a standard that they are driven to aspire to because racism. If whites did not exist they would not have to aspire to a higher standard.

  139. @Reg Cæsar
    Are figure skating and rowing the only sports in which one leads with one's backside? It shows in her case.

    Someone replied to your post implants — posh! Even male skaters have well-shaped back sides.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Someone replied to your post implants — posh! Even male skaters have well-shaped back sides.
     
    I'd be the last one to notice.

    The ones who skate forward are in pairs-- and they're just serving as furniture. (For their wives.)
  140. @J.Ross
    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real "problem immigrants" and mauling our legal character but you're wrong-footed here, on every point.
    It's like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn't amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.

    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real “problem immigrants” and mauling our legal character but you’re wrong-footed here, on every point.

    Hey, I really enjoyed “Downton Abbey” but I didn’t start dressing for dinner.

  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    She could also have had rear implants, you know. Have to consider that possibility. If skin whitening and plastic surgery are popular in Korea, well then....

    • Agree: European-American
  142. @Bill P
    Your average Korean is pretty dark. Every now and then you'll run into a northern Chinese with pinkish white skin (who almost certainly has some western ancestry from some recent or ancient source), and some Japanese have that porcelain white complexion, but I don't think I've ever met a full-blooded Korean that fair. Light skinned, yes, but not white.

    Koreans are about the most purely Mongoloid people on earth. The pinkish white complexion is not in their genetic inventory.

    Your average Korean is pretty dark.

    Not when measured on a world-wide scale…..

  143. @Monsieur le Baron
    I was very surprised to see it in The Diplomat since it's basically an Asian geopolitical magazine.

    Eventually, all journalism will be about hair.

    Surreally oblivious story on the Moth, rebroadcast last night:
    >black woman runs an illegal gambling operation and buys her daughter a female quantity of shoes
    >black daughter comes to school in a different pair of shoes every day
    >teacher (who is specifically described as blue-eyed) notices this
    >[jump cut to static image of a burning cross]
    >daughter reports this to mother who, once again, is both a criminal and making no effort to hide it
    >mother decides to be more careful and combat 18″ rose gold plated rim stereotypes of black spendthrift —
    >just kidding, they get a hundred dollar bill and jet to Sak’s
    >where they buy an expensive pair of yellow patent leather shoes (Sak’s doesn’t have top grain?)
    >and the white cashier had the same look seeing that hundred dollar bill as that white teacher seeing those shoes
    So you see, this wasn’t about a female enjoyment of shows, no, not at all, this was about combatting awful racism (which I hate).

  144. The use of parasols, cosmetics, porcelana. laser treatments, and even drinking absynth in the Victorian era to lighen skin tone are and were fashion trends, just as using tanning beds and spray on tanner are in the west today. People are seldom happy with the way that they look. Black people frequently make their skin lighter with porcelana, and Michael Jackson apparently whitenned his skin somehow, and many white people stupidly go to tanning salons and sun-tan because it does cause pre-mature aging and skin cancer. Totally avoiding the sun can cause vitamin D and calcium deffiencies, since vitamin D is essential for the absorbtion of calcium, seasonal depression, and insomnia.

  145. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    You've got this exactly backwards.

    "The Beatles and the Stones took very black American styles of music..."

    There is no such thing as "very" anything with respect to American music. Black American music is, foundationally, mostly divided into blues and jazz. Blues is highly derivative of Irish and English folk-music styles: it would not be too crazy to say that the Blues is a highly syncopated, sharpened version of Irish folk music, fused with English ballad structure. If you like Jimi Hendrix, keep in mind you are listening to a highly syncopated and electrified version of a Sligo fiddler from the 18th century.

    Jazz, similarly, is largely a very syncopated version of late 19th-century French art music, and some syncopated Wagner. The idea of extended improvisational solos is not new, either: the greatest improviser in music history is commonly held to be J.S. Bach. If you syncopate the Brandenburg Concertos, you get... jazz. The great (and it WAS great) fundamental African insight in creating American music was: European music was tonally sophisticated, but rhythmically naive and simplistic. Louis Armstrong vastly improved Brecht/Weil's "The Moritat of Mackie Messer" by turning it into "Mack the Knife" and making it swing, but he didn't re-invent the wheel. The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop.

    American (black) rock and roll and R-n-b largely took off in Liverpool because the locals were mostly really Irish, and they were hearing their own folk music played back to them with a different more interesting backbeat. It was all already so familiar. Plus the Yanks were rich and sexy and had no class-system hangups, anything the Yanks did was going to seem groovy.

    The marriage of European tonal theory and structural theory, with African rhythmic theory and African-American ideas about vocal and instrumental texture, is the genius of the 20th-century musical moment, soon to be forever lost in a vast pit of roiling auto-tune pop and garbage hip-hop

    .

    While I agree with most of your profound and eloquent comment, including the pessimistic outlook for Western civilization, I believe all is not lost. Maybe the internet arrived just in time to conserve and make ultra-accessible the artefacts of a culture in (temporary?) decline. (Maybe the internet, and not the end of the Cold War, or de-industrialization, or what have you, also sorta initiated said decline) What’s important is that there is both a classical tradition and an avantgarde that survive and thrive in the digital era of downloads and live-streams and continue to produce outstanding quality. As long as the very ideas of quality, of excellence, of real progress exist, I feel confident some people will strive to achieve them. There will probably never be a ‘cultural mainstream’ again, but then, the best artists of the 20th century were not exactly mainstream either.

  146. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    • Agree

    Is there a version of the above pics with all the terms translated into English?

    Or can someone here translate them? That would be great.

    Hello, Jenner,
    I recall you asked for this before and I was going to do it but got busy and forgot. So before that happens again, here is a quick and dirty translation. I hope you can read it! (〃⌒∇⌒)

    I didn’t bother translating the names of the girls.

    The heading on this one is sloppily written so I’m not really sure what the author meant, but I think
    my translation gives the general idea.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Whoa! Thank you for making the effort; the translations add a bit more precision to the illustrations. And I’m glad to see you’re still posting, whoever you are. ;)
  147. @syonredux
    Guess which characters are Japanese and which are Korean in this Japanese comic....


    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4479/883/1600/kenkanry%2062%20difference.0.jpg


    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4479/883/1600/Kenkan%20safe%20to%20say.jpg

    It’s all Japanese — hiragana, katakana, and kanji.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s all Japanese — hiragana, katakana, and kanji.
     
    All that's missing is #4 sukuriiputu. Romaji.



    https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/medium/wood-print/images/artworkimages/medium/1/1-retro-vintage-japan-train-station-sign-akihabara-black-ivan-krpan.jpg
  148. White women are the most beautifulest women in the world.

    We all know that. ESPECIALLY the deniers.

  149. @Dave Pinsen
    Three young Korean entertainers were found dead in quick succession. Anyone know what that's about?

    Two of them were supposedly friends are were dealing with cyberbullying and revenge porn issues. The most recent, an actor, I don’t know what his story is.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Thanks.
  150. @AndrewR
    Britain had an empire and South Korea hasn't, but I can't think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at "exporting" its music as SK has.

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.

    Really.
    France (Chopin – Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It’s an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    I didn't even know K-pop was a fad outside of Asian countries. Is it? Except for (unfortunately) Gangnam Style, I haven't heard much of it.
    , @BarryT
    "American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.'

    KPop boy bands have long had a huge following in the West.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sZF7PQpTQ8
    , @AndrewR
    Chopin was Polish and Mozart was Austrian. Not that Germany existed back when he, Beethoven and especially Bach were alive.

    I'm not saying anyone will be listening to BTS in 300 years, but K-Pop has had a lot of international success.

    And women care a lot more about money, status and fashion than race.

    , @Zoomer
    It is hilarious to see old & out-of-touch Boomers talk about what Millennials or Zoomers like or dont like as if they know what is popular among the young kids today. By far, the biggest kpop acts in the West are boy bands whose popularity is fueled by Western young girls. The biggest current kpop act in the West is a boy group named BTS.

    1. BTS tied an US Billboard record previously held by the Beatles / Monkees
    https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8507983/bts-beatles-monkees-billboard-chart-history

    2. Saturday Night Live doing skits about the popularity of BTS. They also were the musical guests on that episode


    3. CNN article about mania surrounding BTS and how they havent seen anything like it since the Beatles
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/entertainment/bts-kpop-album-persona-soul-who-is-trnd/index.html


    4. Another Kpop Boy Group NCT performs at the Macys Thanksgiving Parade about a week ago
    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/nct-127-macys-thanksgiving-day-parade

  151. Unfortunately too many Koreans and Japanese have embraced the Western leisure activity of sunning themselves or do not take as good care of their skin as the old women (with their face masks and visors and such) — without makeup their light brown freckles are visible.

  152. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    When I was a kid, a lot of the local bars still had upright pianos in the back, and I had a deal with some of the bartenders who would let me practice in the afternoons, when it was quiet and wasn't too busy (it was too noisy and crowded at my house to practice seriously). Some of the cranky old-man afternoon customers would get annoyed at hearing a 13-year-old kid stumbling his way through Chopin and Schumann, so I started to syncopate classical music to make it sound more like honky tonk. And suddenly they started buying me drinks.

    If you play "Basin Street Blues" in straight time, without swinging, it sounds like a Chopin prelude. Brahms grew up playing piano in a whorehouse. The world is funnier than people think.

    Dr. K on YT loves “Boogie Woogie” on public pianos.

  153. The rise of South Korean entertainers to pop culture dominance has been one of the odder stories of the 21st Century.

    List of best-selling albums of the 21st century

    There are no Korean (K-Pop) acts anywhere on the lists of best-selling albums.

    … that the rise of pale-skinned Koreans has made Southeast Asian women even more obsessive about whitening their skins: …

    Since when is the popularity of attractive, feminine, not obese young women, whom other young women seek to emulate, a new phenomenon? — in the West it was tattoos and piercings.

    • Replies: @European-American
    > > pop culture dominance

    > no Korean (K-Pop) acts

    Good point. Even using another, perhaps more current measure of popularity, YouTube videos,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-viewed_YouTube_videos#Top_videos

    among the top 30, only one Korean act, the rather exceptional and untypical (and still pretty good) Psy.

    The single most dominant video is... Puerto Rican!
  154. @Anonymous
    Yeah, Korean women are gorgeous.

    29-year old Olympic gold medalist figure skater Yuna Kim:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c7/38/c6/c738c67755e7e39d5b32ef0704c8fb1f.jpg
     

    She looks very comely. At least from behind.

  155. @GoRedWings!

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.
     
    Really.
    France (Chopin - Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It's an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.

    I didn’t even know K-pop was a fad outside of Asian countries. Is it? Except for (unfortunately) Gangnam Style, I haven’t heard much of it.

  156. @anonymous
    How does one look obviously Irish? In my observation, there are a number of "Irish" looking faces. There is the dark-haired medium to pale skinned Irish such as Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, these men can have round to longish heads. Then there is the type with the large fleshy face with freckles and red or blonde hair that you see in the Kennedy males, Carroll O'Connor or Andy Rooney. Another type is the very nordic-looking type like Peter O'Toole with red to blonde hair with a long face and fair skin. Then there is the type with dark hair but with the same long-face as you see in Colin Farrell or Pierce Brosnan. In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.

    “ In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.”

    ???

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    As Irish as "Paddy's Pig"!
  157. @Lot
    “ In closing, there are no typical Irish faces, they are the same faces you see in the UK, Germany and all over the rest of NW Europe and places where NW Europeans have settled.”

    ???

    https://metrobiography.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Colm-Meaney-300x432.jpeg

    As Irish as “Paddy’s Pig”!

  158. @Anonymous
    Japan created an alternate reality in anime and manga where Japanese made to look uber-western.

    Literal-minded Koreans took it another step and applied it to real life.

    Japan created an alternate reality in anime and manga where Japanese made to look uber-western.

    Yes, I’ve wondered about that. I’m not sure if it’s a function of some Asian artists not perceiving much essential racial difference between Asians and Europeans or if the artists are intentionally trying to make their drawn characters ethnically amorphous to appeal to a wider audience. Or some sort of “ideal” or something else altogether.

  159. This is now the official iSteve Mamamoo worship thread:

    • Replies: @Lot
    Thank you for this post. Helps restore my faith in humanity.
  160. @Rodolfo
    Total certainty that there is a lot of photoshop in this image. Koreans don't have that ass shape.

    Koreans may not have that ass shape, but virtually all elite figure skaters do. So it’s unlikely that that part of Yuna Kim’s body was photoshopped.

    • Replies: @Rodolfo
    I still believe it's Photoshop. The shape of the butt depends not only on training, but on the shape of the hip bone and spine. Believe me. We Brazilians have 500 years of butt science.
  161. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @ssohara
    Comments closed on the Indian beauty queen post, so I am posting this here... the lady in this clip won Miss India back in the 1960s. The song is from a 1967 Indian movie. The woman is lighter than the man but not white skinned. So you didn't have to look white to win a Miss India contest. I showed this video to a friend of mine who had never seen Bollywood and what impressed him the most was how feminine the woman was. This used to be the thing with Indian women (my parents are from India) - they dressed modestly and were feminine. Then again, that used to be the case with American women, too!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqwfhYAoxs

    Indians (as well as Koreans, etc.) do favor lighter skinned women. I think it does come down to the idea that a lighter skinned woman is more feminine, while a darker skinned man is more robust. But I personally also think, even if a woman isn't physically beautiful, if she is feminine and has gracious, kind manners, then men will be attracted to her like bees to honey. At least masculine men will. Masculine men crave feminine women. JMHO

    Being delicate and ladylike in the USA today means you get trampled on. It takes pushiness to work a job. The privilege of being delicate and ladylike is reserved for women who are protected. They must have a man to look after them, and they must have the luxury of not working a job. Working a job makes you hard-headed, business-like and coarser. Women must consciously toughen themselves up to handle the strains and stresses of a job outside the home, and that does not create delicacy or lady-like behavior. It creates chronic stress in a woman, and her temper becomes bitchy.

    You’re a guy who wants to marry a delicate little flower? Try to make a lot more money. You’ll need to keep her character preserved in a specialized environment that keeps her happy and free from stress. You have to work for a woman like that.

  162. @Anonymouse
    Simple explanation: women have fairer skin than men. Women chose to heighten their feminine characteristics. Check out ancient Egyptian art. That distinction does not obtain in blacks so far as I know.

    Women have more body fat than men, meaning their skins appear whiter than their menfolk’s, even if they’re actually the same.

  163. @Inquiring Mind
    Someone replied to your post implants -- posh! Even male skaters have well-shaped back sides.

    Someone replied to your post implants — posh! Even male skaters have well-shaped back sides.

    I’d be the last one to notice.

    The ones who skate forward are in pairs– and they’re just serving as furniture. (For their wives.)

  164. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Oh my goodness, Katharine, I do believe you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures. (The “after” ones to which are being referred)

    Goodness. Korean beauty. Or at least an idealized form helped along by skilled surgeons knives. Is THIS the face of world beauty? Would THAT be considered what all fair ladies should hope to strive for?

    Admittedly it may take some getting used to, that classic beauties such as Raquel Welch and Christie Brinkley now have global competition. But perhaps it is good to examine what the current global competition considers to be the ideal beauty.

    you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures.

    If memory serves, I posted some Hapa photos a while back…..Of course, those gals were all part Euro…..So maybe this is my first 100% non-Euro Gallery of Beauty….

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, yes, and YES! Now that’s definitely getting somewhere. You know, if only Audrey Hepburn had had more slant to her eyes, she could’ve passed for Japanese. Pale skin, extremely waif physiche, dark hair. All that was needed was the eyes.

    Because the eyes always know. And the eyes always have it.

    Perhaps instead of Yellow Fever, the proper connotation should be Pink(ish) Fever.

    But those Asian pics, it was getting rather warm.

    Anna Mae Wong was easily bony Kate Hepburns equal in the looks department. Perhaps you might post a pic of fair Anna Mae while on the subject.
  165. @SOL
    It's all Japanese -- hiragana, katakana, and kanji.

    It’s all Japanese — hiragana, katakana, and kanji.

    All that’s missing is #4 sukuriiputu. Romaji.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It's not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading -- whereas Chinese words are pretty clearly distinguished in tone, Japanese can pile many different meanings and readings on the same word, and rely on context to clarify the meaning).
    , @Anonymous
    http://pmillett.com/images/akihabara_street2.jpg

    In front of JR Akihabara station, looking Northeast across Chuo-dori. The station is just out of sight to the left.
     
    http://pmillett.com/parts_in_asia.htm
  166. @SOL
    Two of them were supposedly friends are were dealing with cyberbullying and revenge porn issues. The most recent, an actor, I don't know what his story is.

    Thanks.

  167. Once upon a time I had a Taiwanese girlfriend with very light skin
    She said she got a lot of attention from men because of it.
    I though she was very cute with beautiful hair, but I wished she had a darker complexion, like a South Pacific girl

  168. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s all Japanese — hiragana, katakana, and kanji.
     
    All that's missing is #4 sukuriiputu. Romaji.



    https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/medium/wood-print/images/artworkimages/medium/1/1-retro-vintage-japan-train-station-sign-akihabara-black-ivan-krpan.jpg

    It’s not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading — whereas Chinese words are pretty clearly distinguished in tone, Japanese can pile many different meanings and readings on the same word, and rely on context to clarify the meaning).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading...
     
    And top it all off with emoji.
  169. @YetAnotherAnon
    And then you marry one and all your kids are ugly...

    There was a case where some Asian man was trying to divorce his wife, because all their children came out ugly, due to her good looks being the product of plastic surgery.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "some Asian man was trying to divorce his wife, because all their children came out ugly, due to her good looks being the product of plastic surgery"

    I suppose it's a form of fraud perpetrated against his descendants. Same if a man was carrying a serious genetic disease but kept quiet.
  170. @HFR
    Koreans may not have that ass shape, but virtually all elite figure skaters do. So it's unlikely that that part of Yuna Kim's body was photoshopped.

    I still believe it’s Photoshop. The shape of the butt depends not only on training, but on the shape of the hip bone and spine. Believe me. We Brazilians have 500 years of butt science.

  171. Korean athletes are pretty dark:

    [IMG]https://iadsb.tmgrup.com.tr/d0d02d/645/344/0/11/800/438?u=https://idsb.tmgrup.com.tr/2019/07/17/north-south-korea-to-face-off-in-world-cup-qualifiers-1563368313578.jpeg[/IMG]

  172. @Andy
    The explanation I found most persuasive is that Asian peasants had to work in the fields so they were tanned (most Asian centers of population are in lower latitude than in Europe so the sun is harsher) while the leisure classes stay at their homes, so their skin was fairer.

    I’ve read that the Japanese word for fair skin literally translates as “Deep window” to denote someone who stays indoors to keep the sun off their skin.

  173. @GoRedWings!

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.
     
    Really.
    France (Chopin - Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It's an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.

    “American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.’

    KPop boy bands have long had a huge following in the West.

    • Agree: European-American
  174. @J.Ross
    It's not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading -- whereas Chinese words are pretty clearly distinguished in tone, Japanese can pile many different meanings and readings on the same word, and rely on context to clarify the meaning).

    It’s not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading…

    And top it all off with emoji.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    Yes, but the word "character(s)" has more than one meaning.

    And syonredux's question did not pertain to the writing - which is all Japanese - but rather he was asking us to determine which of the individual cartoon characters in the comic strip are Korean, based on the way that they are drawn.

    Spoiler: All the Japanese in the comic strip have big eyes and small mouths, while all the Koreans have small eyes (slits), big mouths, and in one frame, red (hatched) faces.

  175. @Rodolfo
    The "most beatifull" asian woman in 2019 was not so fair:

    https://em.wattpad.com/461bd87492e1ca31b06c716efb9fc54fd035b705/68747470733a2f2f73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f776174747061642d6d656469612d736572766963652f53746f7279496d6167652f587272562d4d66303447774369513d3d2d3432353636393933312e31346337633437626264656136343762373838323835363230342e6a7067?s=fit&w=720&h=720

    She looked better brown.

  176. @BCB232
    First girl is waaayyyy prettier than the 2nd. I wouldn't even call the 2nd girl "pretty."

    Wouldn’t turn her down.

  177. @Anonymous
    Hello, Jenner,
    I recall you asked for this before and I was going to do it but got busy and forgot. So before that happens again, here is a quick and dirty translation. I hope you can read it! (〃⌒∇⌒)

    I didn't bother translating the names of the girls.

    https://i.imgur.com/s8aDN3l.jpg

    The heading on this one is sloppily written so I'm not really sure what the author meant, but I think
    my translation gives the general idea.

    https://i.imgur.com/c2UNXj6.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/Zw2pfBi.jpg

    Whoa! Thank you for making the effort; the translations add a bit more precision to the illustrations. And I’m glad to see you’re still posting, whoever you are. 😉

  178. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not enough writing systems until you remember to include furigana (miniature hiragana on top of the kanji to clarify the reading...
     
    And top it all off with emoji.

    Yes, but the word “character(s)” has more than one meaning.

    And syonredux’s question did not pertain to the writing – which is all Japanese – but rather he was asking us to determine which of the individual cartoon characters in the comic strip are Korean, based on the way that they are drawn.

    Spoiler: All the Japanese in the comic strip have big eyes and small mouths, while all the Koreans have small eyes (slits), big mouths, and in one frame, red (hatched) faces.

    • Agree: syonredux
  179. The universal quality of fair skin in women indicates that high-status men selected for paler women at some point, as they do now. Speculating, lighter-toned skin can better demonstrate youth and health, as blemishes are more apparent.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    Fair skinned women is not a universal quality (white women are darker than white men) and it generally isn't a preference of high status men either. It's the third world male preference. Higher earning white men prefer women of color.

    https://image.businessinsider.com/4f3d4337eab8eaef54000042?width=400&format=gif
  180. @Paleo Liberal
    Of course American music was the combination of several musical traditions coming together in a variety of ways. I once heard a music professor from Memphis on the radio talking about all the incredible unique styles of music within a day’s drive. There are few places in the world with that sort of variety in that small an area.

    And you have a point — there is a strong Celtic influence on American music, and Liverpool was quite Celtic. For example, Sir Paul was from a very musical Irish Catholic family. Not sure a Protestant could have written Let it Be. Yes, I know he was referring to his own mother, named Mary. But the Beatles weren’t Horslips. They played Chuck Berry and the Isley Brothers, not Irish music.

    This makes K-Pop even more derivative. Both the U.K. and Korea had long, proud music traditions, but K-Pop is derivative of traditions with roots in other continents, while Brit pop was derived from music with British roots.

    Paul’s mother was Catholic but not his dad and I don’t think he was raised Catholic. The rest of the band were a bit of a mixture as well in terms of the ethnic/religious affiliations of their families. Though Irish origin predominated.

  181. @J.Ross
    I totally agree with you about Asians being the real "problem immigrants" and mauling our legal character but you're wrong-footed here, on every point.
    It's like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn't amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.

    It’s like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn’t amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.

    I am neutral on bulgogi but not on kimchi. Every few months I buy some at a Korean owned Asian market where they make their own Kimchi in the back. And despite being full of red pepper, is not too hot and spicy. Koreans have only had capsicum for 500 years. I suppose their kimchi was not spicy before then.

    Easy to understand kimchi recipe

    This guy is intelligent despite the long hippie hair.

    Tofu gets the bad soy boy rap but Korean cuisine has lots of tofu in it.

    • Agree: European-American
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    No, tofu is the good soy. Tofu and miso is fermented soy which has been safely eaten forever. The problem starts in the 1980s in the West, where people were looking for new highly processed mass procrankedout food products to get rich off of.
    Stuff Asians have made for generations = good
    New Western food product using "soy," meaning nonfermented GMO subsidized Monsanto garbage = bad
  182. @Adam Smith

    UPS DRIVER SHOT AFTER PURSUIT IN SHADOWED BROWARD COUNTY
     
    I really like how the pigs were using civilians as human shields while showing zero concern for the safety of the hostage or anyone else on the highway. "UPS driver" and "innocent bystander" would probably still be alive if Thin Blue Isis didn't escalate this attempted robbery into a scene from GTA4 Vice City.

    https://twitter.com/swrightwpbf/status/1202730980064268289

    "It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander", FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.

    https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/22906268/20191205/101113/styles/patch_image/public/miami-dade-police-125___05215945896.jpg

    https://www.local10.com/resizer/HVG7Sa5WP40-3joYnaccMyZomZA=/800x450/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BLYXQNJXBJAV3LMKH3VZMP4GWQ.jpg

    https://media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2019/12/05/694940094001_6113496890001_6113495297001-vs.jpg

    Were going to need plenty of trophies after this quadruple homicide...

    https://www.selectsouthbay.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/trophy.jpg

    No Members of the Hero Squad were injured in the battle.

    https://www.stickershoppe.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/827-6588.jpg

    “It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander”, FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.

    The numerous police surrounded and unleashed, fired lots more bullets than the UPS hijackers. So odds are they killed the man in the car (bystander). Who killed the UPS driver? Was his first day on the job. What bad luck.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith

    The numerous police surrounded and unleashed, fired lots more bullets than the UPS hijackers. So odds are they killed the man in the car (bystander). Who killed the UPS driver? Was his first day on the job. What bad luck.
     
    I saw this video the other day. Today it was hard to find as most of the videos either cut the video short or they put a fuzzy blob over the door to the truck. From this angle, you can see Frank Ordonez (the UPS Driver) crawling out of the van, clearly still alive. The robber is shooting towards the police. There are five cops shooting rifles at the suspect and at Frank.

    Thin Blue Isis obviously had no regard for Frank's life. They used innocent bystanders as human shields. I'm surprised the cops didn't kill more innocent people.

    Who killed the UPS driver?
     
    In this video it looks like the cops killed Frank. Grab a copy before it's memory holed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6azkG4HPNs
  183. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s all Japanese — hiragana, katakana, and kanji.
     
    All that's missing is #4 sukuriiputu. Romaji.



    https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/medium/wood-print/images/artworkimages/medium/1/1-retro-vintage-japan-train-station-sign-akihabara-black-ivan-krpan.jpg

    In front of JR Akihabara station, looking Northeast across Chuo-dori. The station is just out of sight to the left.

    http://pmillett.com/parts_in_asia.htm

  184. @Sparkon

    "Where Does the Asian Obsession with White Skin Come from?"
     
    It wasn't mentioned at all in Ana Salvá's article, but think the white skin obsession fascination came from Japan, where various Shiseido skin whitening products were used by Japanese women when I was there in the 1960s.

    https://imagecdn.shiseido.co.jp/c/a=0,f=webp:jpeg/resources/sw/products/img/20190510/SHOHIN_PL_C1_704801.jpg

    マイクロブライトニング スポッツコレクター(30mL)
    顔全体に細かく多く現れるシミ・ソバカスを防ぐ薬用美白*美容液

    Micro Brightening Spots Collector (30mL)
    Medicinal whitening to prevent spots and freckles that appear on the whole face
     
    https://www.shiseido.co.jp/sw/c/products/SWFG070410.seam?shohin_pl_c_cd=704801&online_shohin_ctlg_kbn=1

    Now I'll take the opportunity to play a very popular Japanese song from the late '60s, and a personal favorite of mine, "Koi no Kisetsu" (Season of Love) by Pinky and the Killers. This song was #1 in Japan in 1968 for 17 weeks, a record that stands to this day.

    Yoko Kon fronting Pinky and the Killers


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw_6Ly_wBbU


    This longer version of the song has the extended instrumental break and is from the Japanese film 恋の季節, (Koi no Kisetsu - Season of Love), released in Japan in 1969,and a few year later in the Soviet Union, where it is known as Сезон любви.

    In the early 1970s, the film was shown with great success at the Soviet box office. The film occupies the 480th position in the list of the most visited films in the history of film distribution in the USSR, it was watched by 27.6 million Soviet viewers
     
    Сезон любви

    I gave the link to the Russian Wikipedia page because Google refuses to cough up a link for "Season of Love" when I search in English.

    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well. (Sukiyaki)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well.
     
    More than his record cracked in 1985 when Flight 123 went down with him aboard. It's still the deadliest aviation accident involving a single craft.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
    , @Sparkon
    That beautiful and moving ballad was a huge worldwide hit for Kyu Sakamoto, one of the top selling records of all time with over 13 million sold, and at #1 atop the U.S. charts for three weeks in that memorable Summer of 1963, right before my senior year in high school.

    A few years later, I was visiting Hakodate, Japan where I first heard this famous song by Saburo Kitajima, released in Nov. 1965, and selling over 1.5 million copies:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIXeHodWEE&feature=youtu.be


    Saburo Kitajima -- Hakodate no Hito (函館の女)
    written and composed by Tetsuro Hoshino and Nobuo Shimazu(星野哲郎・島津伸男)


    This song represents a more traditional style of Japanese music known as enka.

    http://kayokyokuplus.blogspot.com/2012/11/saburo-kitajima-hakodate-no-hito.html

  185. @Jim Christian

    Perhaps too many girls going to the same plastic surgeon… Who is most beautiful?
     
    To be crude, "Best T & A Wins", because these women could be the view in the mirror. A funny retort by Asian chicks being hit on here in the States (because these women are particularly hostile after their Western-style 'education') is "Yellow Fever". As if anyone wants them with that attitude anymore. Asians aren't so soft and sweet once educated to be hateful. Think Sarah Jeong.

    Hold up. Sarah Jeong wasn’t all that before she attended college.

  186. @syonredux

    you have posted your first ever non-white batch of smutty pictures.
     
    If memory serves, I posted some Hapa photos a while back.....Of course, those gals were all part Euro.....So maybe this is my first 100% non-Euro Gallery of Beauty....

    Yes, yes, and YES! Now that’s definitely getting somewhere. You know, if only Audrey Hepburn had had more slant to her eyes, she could’ve passed for Japanese. Pale skin, extremely waif physiche, dark hair. All that was needed was the eyes.

    Because the eyes always know. And the eyes always have it.

    Perhaps instead of Yellow Fever, the proper connotation should be Pink(ish) Fever.

    But those Asian pics, it was getting rather warm.

    Anna Mae Wong was easily bony Kate Hepburns equal in the looks department. Perhaps you might post a pic of fair Anna Mae while on the subject.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Never much cared for Anna May Wong. Hapa Nancy Kwan, though, ......A far more enticing subject, to say the least......






    http://thenewbev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Nancy-Kwan-2.jpg




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKgX33VAW8
  187. @britishbrainsize1325ccheehee
    Small brain british have to be much bigger to even think of beating up an asian kid , becuz you pinks are slow and uncoordinated an asian can put ten punch combinations before you can land even one ,also google asian kid 5'5" dunks, 150 lbs viet guy bench presses 410lbs.

    Yaw, non-stop jerking off to cartoon girlfriends speeds up your fists.

  188. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well. (Sukiyaki)


    https://youtu.be/C35DrtPlUbc

    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well.

    More than his record cracked in 1985 when Flight 123 went down with him aboard. It’s still the deadliest aviation accident involving a single craft.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    1985 was a terrifying year to be a frequent flier.
  189. @Clyde

    It’s like if somebody were to insist that bulgogi wasn’t amazing and then you have the opposite of the shoe removal scene from Donnie Brasco.
     
    I am neutral on bulgogi but not on kimchi. Every few months I buy some at a Korean owned Asian market where they make their own Kimchi in the back. And despite being full of red pepper, is not too hot and spicy. Koreans have only had capsicum for 500 years. I suppose their kimchi was not spicy before then.

    Easy to understand kimchi recipe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXhJcdXPyYI This guy is intelligent despite the long hippie hair.

    Tofu gets the bad soy boy rap but Korean cuisine has lots of tofu in it.

    No, tofu is the good soy. Tofu and miso is fermented soy which has been safely eaten forever. The problem starts in the 1980s in the West, where people were looking for new highly processed mass procrankedout food products to get rich off of.
    Stuff Asians have made for generations = good
    New Western food product using “soy,” meaning nonfermented GMO subsidized Monsanto garbage = bad

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Miso is very salty so is only a delicious seasoning. So you can't eat much of it to get into soy boy problems. Koreans make a miso equivalent that is very common and found in K-grocery stores and non-pasteurized, so retains good gut bacteria. I must look into tofu more as far as having/ not having estrogen mimics.

    Know your Doenjang (Korean Soybean Paste)!
    Koreans make a miso equivalent from kimchimari.com
    Oct 14, 2016 - Making doenjang requires a lot more work and time than gochujang but you ... What is the difference between Korean Doenjang vs Japanese Miso? .... paste with a simpler and smoother taste that's similar to miso but you may ...
     

    Traditional Korean doenjang is made just from soybeans and salt only. Miso usually is made by adding koji starter to rice in addition to soybeans which produces a sweeter taste. ... Miso is milder, smoother and sweeter. Korean Doenjang is stronger, sharper, deeper and more complex in its flavor profile.Oct 14, 2016
     
  190. @Dumbo
    Go complain to Mr. Frost, not to me.

    In general, traditional human societies share a belief that women should be fairer-skinned than men (van den Berghe and Frost, 1986). This cultural norm runs parallel to a physical norm, i.e., in all human populations, women are less pigmented than men from puberty onward. Both melanin and cutaneous blood are involved, with the result that women look paler and men browner and ruddier. Women also display a sharper contrast between facial skin color and eye/lip color. These visual cues are subconsciously used by the human mind to determine whether an individual is a man or a women (Dupuis-Roy et al., 2009; Frost, 2011; Russell, 2010; Russell, 2003; Russell and Sinha, 2007; Tarr et al., 2001).

     

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/white-skin-privilege/

    Peter Frost is dishonest in his writings on UNZ and elsewhere online, and fails to acknowledge what he found in his own papers when his selection theory collapsed. Let’s look at what he wrote in 2007:

    https://europepmc.org/article/med/17326100

    Human skin‐color sexual dimorphism: a test of the sexual selection hypothesis

    Peter Frost
    American journal of physical anthropology 133 (1), 779-780, 2007
    Women have lighter skin than men do across a wide range of populations, even on the unexposed skin of the upper inner arm, possibly because of sexual selection by men for lighter-skinned women. If this hypothesis is true, human skin color should become more sexually dimorphic with increasing distance from the equator, since sexual selection for lighter skin in women would be less constrained by natural selection for darker skin in both sexes. Yet when Madrigal and Kelly (2006) analyzed skin reflectance data from 53 different samples, they found that the most dimorphic human populations were actually those of medium skin color at medium latitudes.

    It is perhaps significant that this sex difference seems to disappear or even reverse itself when skin reflectance is close to the physiological maximum, notably in Dutch and Belgian subjects (Leguebe, 1961; van Rijn-Tournel, 1966; Rigters-Aris, 1973)

    Frost has never been able to wiggle his way out of the fact that in Europe, men are lighter skinned, and less brown, than women. “Dark men, fair women” is a third world attribute. It occurs primarily at mid-latitudal areas of the globe and becomes less pronounced with distance from tbe equator, and reverses itself at higher and lower latitudes.

    In Europe, the tradition is white men, dark women — a legacy of the tripartite admixture that created modern Europeans. Why don’t you embrace your own heritage and stop hocking the failed mid-latitude tradition? Are you even European?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Whatever.
  191. @J.Ross
    No, tofu is the good soy. Tofu and miso is fermented soy which has been safely eaten forever. The problem starts in the 1980s in the West, where people were looking for new highly processed mass procrankedout food products to get rich off of.
    Stuff Asians have made for generations = good
    New Western food product using "soy," meaning nonfermented GMO subsidized Monsanto garbage = bad

    Miso is very salty so is only a delicious seasoning. So you can’t eat much of it to get into soy boy problems. Koreans make a miso equivalent that is very common and found in K-grocery stores and non-pasteurized, so retains good gut bacteria. I must look into tofu more as far as having/ not having estrogen mimics.

    Know your Doenjang (Korean Soybean Paste)!
    Koreans make a miso equivalent from kimchimari.com
    Oct 14, 2016 – Making doenjang requires a lot more work and time than gochujang but you … What is the difference between Korean Doenjang vs Japanese Miso? …. paste with a simpler and smoother taste that’s similar to miso but you may …

    Traditional Korean doenjang is made just from soybeans and salt only. Miso usually is made by adding koji starter to rice in addition to soybeans which produces a sweeter taste. … Miso is milder, smoother and sweeter. Korean Doenjang is stronger, sharper, deeper and more complex in its flavor profile.Oct 14, 2016

  192. @Anon
    Parasites? People in that time and place didn't worry about skin parasites. There barely are any in Northern Europe. They were trying to cover up pockmarks from smallpox. That used to be the scourge before the vaccine, and it ruined an awful lot of faces, even those among the upper class.

    >there were no lice in the age of enlightenment
    STEVEN PINKER IS THAT YOU
    ah sister james i have such doubts

  193. part of the current popularity of K-Pop is simply music related, and not to do with beauty. as the US music scene declined after 2000, degenerating into what it is today – a bunch of mumble rap droning on, and not much else – professional music writers began to partly or completely abandon the US, as the stuff they were writing, wasn’t stuff that could be sold as demos in the US anymore, or produced into hit songs.

    so you had guys like JY Park, who wanted to create pop music in Korea, mostly based on what he thought was the most interesting time period in US pop music – the early 90s – setting up and creating a pop music factory, acting as a pipeline to launch record label created pop groups, the same way they used to be created in the US. they did a talent search, picked the best looking or most photogenic teenagers who could dance well and sing ok enough, then they bought demos of pop songs from professional song writers, re-recorded those in a studio with the young pop group they had created, and launched singles.

    the difference was under Park and the other guys like Yang Hyun-suk, who runs YG Entertainment, they started in earnest in the 00s, right when music was in decline in the US and Europe. they were willing to buy demos of any decent pop music, in any musical format of pop music, from anywhere in the world, and didn’t care where the writers were from, or that the music wasn’t a specific kind of pop style that would sell in the US at the moment. so right as studio produced pop music that wasn’t rap based began to decline in earnest in the US, these korean guys were paying pro writers from around the world for their songs and recording them with their new K-Pop groups like Wonder Girls and Girl’s Generation in the late 00s.

    in effect, they began sucking up tons of the pop music writing talent output from the US and Europe as well as what they could write on their own in Korea. that’s how they seemed to suddenly appear out of nowhere and then become a major force in pop music in like 10 years, whereas previously east asians, and asians in general, were basically nowhere in any kind of music for, well, pretty much ever.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So basically NE Asian nations are taking Western music, Western melody, Western pop style, Western construction of lyrics, and singing in their own languages. In other words, once again NE Asia is copy catting the West, this time its in music. Guess traditional pre-20th century atonal pentatonic music one might hear in a geisha house or during a Noh and Kabuki play isn't good enough anymore, and they have to continue to rely on Western music to "authentically" express their Oriental cultures.

    Also, K-Pop isn't high art. It's simply NSYNC/Backstreet Boys/Swedish techno repackaged in NE Asian languages. Instead of Boy Bands one gets Girl Bands. So what? How's that creatively better than anything we've ever seen before? Or maybe it is in NE Asia in 2019.

    Would be interesting to hear NE Rap/Hip Hop music. Don't think that that won't be next, if it isn't there already.

  194. @Stevereader
    The universal quality of fair skin in women indicates that high-status men selected for paler women at some point, as they do now. Speculating, lighter-toned skin can better demonstrate youth and health, as blemishes are more apparent.

    Fair skinned women is not a universal quality (white women are darker than white men) and it generally isn’t a preference of high status men either. It’s the third world male preference. Higher earning white men prefer women of color.

    https://image.businessinsider.com/4f3d4337eab8eaef54000042?width=400&format=gif

  195. @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well.
     
    More than his record cracked in 1985 when Flight 123 went down with him aboard. It's still the deadliest aviation accident involving a single craft.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

    1985 was a terrifying year to be a frequent flier.

  196. @Tlotsi
    There was a case where some Asian man was trying to divorce his wife, because all their children came out ugly, due to her good looks being the product of plastic surgery.

    “some Asian man was trying to divorce his wife, because all their children came out ugly, due to her good looks being the product of plastic surgery”

    I suppose it’s a form of fraud perpetrated against his descendants. Same if a man was carrying a serious genetic disease but kept quiet.

  197. @Andy
    The explanation I found most persuasive is that Asian peasants had to work in the fields so they were tanned (most Asian centers of population are in lower latitude than in Europe so the sun is harsher) while the leisure classes stay at their homes, so their skin was fairer.

    True. I’m an asian male I can confirm it.

  198. @GoRedWings!

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.
     
    Really.
    France (Chopin - Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It's an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.

    Chopin was Polish and Mozart was Austrian. Not that Germany existed back when he, Beethoven and especially Bach were alive.

    I’m not saying anyone will be listening to BTS in 300 years, but K-Pop has had a lot of international success.

    And women care a lot more about money, status and fashion than race.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    May have success, but K-Pop isn't all that big in the US. If it were, we'd see it dominating the Billboard charts and it's not, at least on a consistent basis.

    At best, K-Pop in the US will never rise above the level of ABBA. An interesting novelty, but, due to their lack of fluent English, had to get by with singing English songs phonetically, which in time doesn't cause a deep loyalty for US music fans.

    The British Invasion was longer lasting and made deep inroads in the US because, the Brit groups were fluent in English.
  199. @Clyde

    “It was inappropriate to speculate whether police fire may have killed the bystander”, FBI Public Relations Specialist George Piro told reporters at the news conference.
     
    The numerous police surrounded and unleashed, fired lots more bullets than the UPS hijackers. So odds are they killed the man in the car (bystander). Who killed the UPS driver? Was his first day on the job. What bad luck.

    The numerous police surrounded and unleashed, fired lots more bullets than the UPS hijackers. So odds are they killed the man in the car (bystander). Who killed the UPS driver? Was his first day on the job. What bad luck.

    I saw this video the other day. Today it was hard to find as most of the videos either cut the video short or they put a fuzzy blob over the door to the truck. From this angle, you can see Frank Ordonez (the UPS Driver) crawling out of the van, clearly still alive. The robber is shooting towards the police. There are five cops shooting rifles at the suspect and at Frank.

    Thin Blue Isis obviously had no regard for Frank’s life. They used innocent bystanders as human shields. I’m surprised the cops didn’t kill more innocent people.

    Who killed the UPS driver?

    In this video it looks like the cops killed Frank. Grab a copy before it’s memory holed.

  200. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, yes, and YES! Now that’s definitely getting somewhere. You know, if only Audrey Hepburn had had more slant to her eyes, she could’ve passed for Japanese. Pale skin, extremely waif physiche, dark hair. All that was needed was the eyes.

    Because the eyes always know. And the eyes always have it.

    Perhaps instead of Yellow Fever, the proper connotation should be Pink(ish) Fever.

    But those Asian pics, it was getting rather warm.

    Anna Mae Wong was easily bony Kate Hepburns equal in the looks department. Perhaps you might post a pic of fair Anna Mae while on the subject.

    Never much cared for Anna May Wong. Hapa Nancy Kwan, though, ……A far more enticing subject, to say the least……

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

  201. @syonredux
    Never much cared for Anna May Wong. Hapa Nancy Kwan, though, ......A far more enticing subject, to say the least......






    http://thenewbev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Nancy-Kwan-2.jpg




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKgX33VAW8

    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

     

    To the best of my knowledge, Nancy Kwan has no Black ancestry:

    Nancy Kwan


    Ethnicity:
    *Cantonese Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish (mother)
     
    https://ethnicelebs.com/nancy-kwan



    Hence, Hapa would seem to be the correct word.

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

     

    Isn't she entirely Chinese?
  202. @Sam Coulton
    Peter Frost is dishonest in his writings on UNZ and elsewhere online, and fails to acknowledge what he found in his own papers when his selection theory collapsed. Let's look at what he wrote in 2007:

    https://europepmc.org/article/med/17326100

    Human skin‐color sexual dimorphism: a test of the sexual selection hypothesis

    Peter Frost
    American journal of physical anthropology 133 (1), 779-780, 2007
    Women have lighter skin than men do across a wide range of populations, even on the unexposed skin of the upper inner arm, possibly because of sexual selection by men for lighter-skinned women. If this hypothesis is true, human skin color should become more sexually dimorphic with increasing distance from the equator, since sexual selection for lighter skin in women would be less constrained by natural selection for darker skin in both sexes. Yet when Madrigal and Kelly (2006) analyzed skin reflectance data from 53 different samples, they found that the most dimorphic human populations were actually those of medium skin color at medium latitudes.
     

    It is perhaps significant that this sex difference seems to disappear or even reverse itself when skin reflectance is close to the physiological maximum, notably in Dutch and Belgian subjects (Leguebe, 1961; van Rijn-Tournel, 1966; Rigters-Aris, 1973)
     
    Frost has never been able to wiggle his way out of the fact that in Europe, men are lighter skinned, and less brown, than women. "Dark men, fair women" is a third world attribute. It occurs primarily at mid-latitudal areas of the globe and becomes less pronounced with distance from tbe equator, and reverses itself at higher and lower latitudes.


    In Europe, the tradition is white men, dark women -- a legacy of the tripartite admixture that created modern Europeans. Why don't you embrace your own heritage and stop hocking the failed mid-latitude tradition? Are you even European?

    Whatever.

  203. @R.G. Camara
    Pedophiles seem drawn to both anime and Star Trek (TOS, specifically) . According to police lore, not every Star Trek fan is a pedophile, but every pedophile has a picture of Spock on his wall when they bust in to arrest him.

    About 20 years ago the Ontario Provincial Police formed a special unit to go after child porn. One of its agents gave an interview to a Toronto newspaper where he was quoted as saying, “There’s two kinds of pedos — Star Trek and Star Wars.”

  204. @The Wild Geese Howard
    This is now the official iSteve Mamamoo worship thread:

    https://img1.kpopmap.com/2018/02/mamamoo.jpg

    https://koreaboo-cdn.storage.googleapis.com/2014/11/mamamoo.jpg

    http://1.soompi.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MAMAMOO2.jpg

    Thank you for this post. Helps restore my faith in humanity.

  205. @AndrewR
    Chopin was Polish and Mozart was Austrian. Not that Germany existed back when he, Beethoven and especially Bach were alive.

    I'm not saying anyone will be listening to BTS in 300 years, but K-Pop has had a lot of international success.

    And women care a lot more about money, status and fashion than race.

    May have success, but K-Pop isn’t all that big in the US. If it were, we’d see it dominating the Billboard charts and it’s not, at least on a consistent basis.

    At best, K-Pop in the US will never rise above the level of ABBA. An interesting novelty, but, due to their lack of fluent English, had to get by with singing English songs phonetically, which in time doesn’t cause a deep loyalty for US music fans.

    The British Invasion was longer lasting and made deep inroads in the US because, the Brit groups were fluent in English.

  206. @prime noticer
    part of the current popularity of K-Pop is simply music related, and not to do with beauty. as the US music scene declined after 2000, degenerating into what it is today - a bunch of mumble rap droning on, and not much else - professional music writers began to partly or completely abandon the US, as the stuff they were writing, wasn't stuff that could be sold as demos in the US anymore, or produced into hit songs.

    so you had guys like JY Park, who wanted to create pop music in Korea, mostly based on what he thought was the most interesting time period in US pop music - the early 90s - setting up and creating a pop music factory, acting as a pipeline to launch record label created pop groups, the same way they used to be created in the US. they did a talent search, picked the best looking or most photogenic teenagers who could dance well and sing ok enough, then they bought demos of pop songs from professional song writers, re-recorded those in a studio with the young pop group they had created, and launched singles.

    the difference was under Park and the other guys like Yang Hyun-suk, who runs YG Entertainment, they started in earnest in the 00s, right when music was in decline in the US and Europe. they were willing to buy demos of any decent pop music, in any musical format of pop music, from anywhere in the world, and didn't care where the writers were from, or that the music wasn't a specific kind of pop style that would sell in the US at the moment. so right as studio produced pop music that wasn't rap based began to decline in earnest in the US, these korean guys were paying pro writers from around the world for their songs and recording them with their new K-Pop groups like Wonder Girls and Girl's Generation in the late 00s.

    in effect, they began sucking up tons of the pop music writing talent output from the US and Europe as well as what they could write on their own in Korea. that's how they seemed to suddenly appear out of nowhere and then become a major force in pop music in like 10 years, whereas previously east asians, and asians in general, were basically nowhere in any kind of music for, well, pretty much ever.

    So basically NE Asian nations are taking Western music, Western melody, Western pop style, Western construction of lyrics, and singing in their own languages. In other words, once again NE Asia is copy catting the West, this time its in music. Guess traditional pre-20th century atonal pentatonic music one might hear in a geisha house or during a Noh and Kabuki play isn’t good enough anymore, and they have to continue to rely on Western music to “authentically” express their Oriental cultures.

    Also, K-Pop isn’t high art. It’s simply NSYNC/Backstreet Boys/Swedish techno repackaged in NE Asian languages. Instead of Boy Bands one gets Girl Bands. So what? How’s that creatively better than anything we’ve ever seen before? Or maybe it is in NE Asia in 2019.

    Would be interesting to hear NE Rap/Hip Hop music. Don’t think that that won’t be next, if it isn’t there already.

    • Replies: @European-American
    > Would be interesting to hear NE Asian Rap/Hip Hop music.

    Here's an example. He is hardly typical, being a young Taiwanese-American Marxist rap artist, but his stuff is more interesting than the usual rap braggadocio.

    He made this video in North Korea:


    即使我們自以為自己是正義的義士
    jíshǐ wǒmen zì yǐwéi zìjǐ shì zhèngyì de yìshì
    although we think of ourselves as just and morally courageous people,

    但其實是我們迷失於斷章取義的歷史
    dàn qíshí shì wǒmen míshī yú duànzhāngqǔyì de lìshǐ.
    it is actually us who are lost in deliberately misinterpreted history.
     

    https://youtu.be/kEBoxrDqhZE
  207. One of the Blackpink girls from the picture is actually thay. The one on the left of the picture with blonde hair. They are appropriating white looks.

  208. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Speaking of famous Japanese songs from the 1960’s, this one also cracked the US charts as well. (Sukiyaki)


    https://youtu.be/C35DrtPlUbc

    That beautiful and moving ballad was a huge worldwide hit for Kyu Sakamoto, one of the top selling records of all time with over 13 million sold, and at #1 atop the U.S. charts for three weeks in that memorable Summer of 1963, right before my senior year in high school.

    A few years later, I was visiting Hakodate, Japan where I first heard this famous song by Saburo Kitajima, released in Nov. 1965, and selling over 1.5 million copies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIXeHodWEE&feature=youtu.be

    Saburo Kitajima — Hakodate no Hito (函館の女)
    written and composed by Tetsuro Hoshino and Nobuo Shimazu(星野哲郎・島津伸男)

    This song represents a more traditional style of Japanese music known as enka.

    http://kayokyokuplus.blogspot.com/2012/11/saburo-kitajima-hakodate-no-hito.html

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    Well, getting back to Asian girl groups with pale complexions, here's another take on enka from some real Japanese beauties...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SVCfc1h9U


    Original Title: 京都慕情 (Kyōto bojō - Kyōto lyric)
    藤あや子 Ayako Fuji
    長山洋子 Yoko Nagayama
    香西かおり Kaori Kozai
    伍代夏子 Natsuko Godai
    坂本冬美 Fuyumi Sakamoto

    Cast singer left → right Ayako Fuji, Kaori Kasai, Fuyumi Sakamoto, Natsuko Sashiro, Yoko Nagayama.
  209. @Steve Sailer
    In the last quarter of the 19th century in New Orleans, about a dozen mixed race young musicians were sent by their wealthy white fathers to study composition in France. Most of them came back to New Orleans and added notably to the musical sophistication of the city.

    Not directly on point, but this does remind me of Chevalier de Saint-George; I wonder if he was something of a forerunner.

  210. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

    To the best of my knowledge, Nancy Kwan has no Black ancestry:

    Nancy Kwan

    Ethnicity:
    *Cantonese Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish (mother)

    https://ethnicelebs.com/nancy-kwan

    Hence, Hapa would seem to be the correct word.

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

    Isn’t she entirely Chinese?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It's the Scottish that makes her appear Yella.

    Oh, very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.

    Of course, do suggest a NE Asian in pop culture who is familiar to US audiences. (NOT K-Pop stars). An Asian woman currently in her 20's who is popular in the US mainstream.
  211. @GoRedWings!

    I can’t think of any non-Anglo country that has had as much success at “exporting” its music as SK has.
     
    Really.
    France (Chopin - Ravel. Gainsbourg.) Italy (basically all Opera) Germany (Bach. Beethoven. Mozart. etc. Kraftwerk-Rammstein.) Sweden (ABBA-Avicii) Brazil. etc. South Korea is certainly one of the least influential countries in global musical culture. It's an exotic fad that has no legs. American and European girls are not interested in East Asian boys, so no dice with the boy-bands.

    It is hilarious to see old & out-of-touch Boomers talk about what Millennials or Zoomers like or dont like as if they know what is popular among the young kids today. By far, the biggest kpop acts in the West are boy bands whose popularity is fueled by Western young girls. The biggest current kpop act in the West is a boy group named BTS.

    1. BTS tied an US Billboard record previously held by the Beatles / Monkees
    https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8507983/bts-beatles-monkees-billboard-chart-history

    2. Saturday Night Live doing skits about the popularity of BTS. They also were the musical guests on that episode

    3. CNN article about mania surrounding BTS and how they havent seen anything like it since the Beatles
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/entertainment/bts-kpop-album-persona-soul-who-is-trnd/index.html

    4. Another Kpop Boy Group NCT performs at the Macys Thanksgiving Parade about a week ago
    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/nct-127-macys-thanksgiving-day-parade

  212. @Sparkon
    That beautiful and moving ballad was a huge worldwide hit for Kyu Sakamoto, one of the top selling records of all time with over 13 million sold, and at #1 atop the U.S. charts for three weeks in that memorable Summer of 1963, right before my senior year in high school.

    A few years later, I was visiting Hakodate, Japan where I first heard this famous song by Saburo Kitajima, released in Nov. 1965, and selling over 1.5 million copies:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIXeHodWEE&feature=youtu.be


    Saburo Kitajima -- Hakodate no Hito (函館の女)
    written and composed by Tetsuro Hoshino and Nobuo Shimazu(星野哲郎・島津伸男)


    This song represents a more traditional style of Japanese music known as enka.

    http://kayokyokuplus.blogspot.com/2012/11/saburo-kitajima-hakodate-no-hito.html

    Well, getting back to Asian girl groups with pale complexions, here’s another take on enka from some real Japanese beauties…

    Original Title: 京都慕情 (Kyōto bojō – Kyōto lyric)
    藤あや子 Ayako Fuji
    長山洋子 Yoko Nagayama
    香西かおり Kaori Kozai
    伍代夏子 Natsuko Godai
    坂本冬美 Fuyumi Sakamoto

    Cast singer left → right Ayako Fuji, Kaori Kasai, Fuyumi Sakamoto, Natsuko Sashiro, Yoko Nagayama.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    I took a look at Blackpink's big hit "Kill This Love" which has great production and the girls are attractive, but it's too frenzied. I see that Rosé (로제) is from New Zealand, and Lisa (리사) is Thai.

    Korean women can be very beautiful, but I knew that. I think Korean gals have better legs than Japanese women. I suspect squatting a lot is not conducive to development of nice legs, and the Japanese do a lot of that squatting from the time they are very young.

    The contemporary J-Pop Idol girl groups dancing often look like a P.E. class.

    -------

    Anyway, that beautiful song "Kyōto Bojō" I posted in my #215 performed by those five Japanese divas in the Enka Singers was composed by -- wait for it -- former lead guitarist for the Ventures, Gerry McGee.

    It was released as a single "Reflections in a Palace Lake" by the Ventures in Japan on Nov. 15, 1970, and was soon covered by Yuko Tsuji with Japanese lyrics by Haruo Hayashi and released as ""Kyōto Bojō" (京都慕情) on Dec. 1, 1970.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZiPU3fmsA


    "Reflections in a Palace Lake" The Ventures, 1970


    TOKYO (CelebrityAccess) — Gerry McGee, the former lead guitarist of the instrumental rock band The Ventures, died after collapsing on stage in Japan on October 8th.
     
    苦しめないで ああ責めないで 別れのつらさ 知りながら
    Kurushimenaide ā semenaide wakare no tsura-sa shirinagara
    Do not suffer do not fear that parting may be unknown

    RIP

  213. @syonredux

    Hapa or High Yella? (literally yella in this case).

     

    To the best of my knowledge, Nancy Kwan has no Black ancestry:

    Nancy Kwan


    Ethnicity:
    *Cantonese Chinese (father)
    *English, Scottish (mother)
     
    https://ethnicelebs.com/nancy-kwan



    Hence, Hapa would seem to be the correct word.

    For a more modern form and figure, one must suggest Lucy Liu.

     

    Isn't she entirely Chinese?

    It’s the Scottish that makes her appear Yella.

    Oh, very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.

    Of course, do suggest a NE Asian in pop culture who is familiar to US audiences. (NOT K-Pop stars). An Asian woman currently in her 20’s who is popular in the US mainstream.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.
     
    But quite stirring.....


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/23/66/c6/2366c623bede017aa731e832b3a68fd0--asian-american-american-history.jpg


    https://68.media.tumblr.com/e7875d6afc1b4bae68fe66c807814f10/tumblr_oli6fdK4nz1vbjb4ao4_500.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/d2/b1/5cd2b1d050510130906fe2d1abbfda1d.jpg
  214. @Achmed E. Newman
    Professor Suk Young? Really?? I wish I knew her when she Associate Professor Sukkier Younger.

    I don’t know much about Korea but I think Suk-Young 석영 is a fairly common Korean name. The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning “confer glory”, but who knows? A Korean, probably…

    Regarding funny-sounding names, I’m always surprised when Americans are called “Dick”. But I suppose for some it’s really fitting. Homonyms, such fun, amirite?

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning “confer glory”, but who knows? A Korean, probably…
     
    You are thinking of 賜榮 which would mean "confer glory."

    If the "hanja" (Chinese characters used to write this particular name) are indeed 錫榮, it would mean "tin glory."

    Your guess of 錫榮 does make sense though. For some reason, Koreans do love the names of metals in given names. They also love characters involving fire, such as 炫.
  215. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    So basically NE Asian nations are taking Western music, Western melody, Western pop style, Western construction of lyrics, and singing in their own languages. In other words, once again NE Asia is copy catting the West, this time its in music. Guess traditional pre-20th century atonal pentatonic music one might hear in a geisha house or during a Noh and Kabuki play isn't good enough anymore, and they have to continue to rely on Western music to "authentically" express their Oriental cultures.

    Also, K-Pop isn't high art. It's simply NSYNC/Backstreet Boys/Swedish techno repackaged in NE Asian languages. Instead of Boy Bands one gets Girl Bands. So what? How's that creatively better than anything we've ever seen before? Or maybe it is in NE Asia in 2019.

    Would be interesting to hear NE Rap/Hip Hop music. Don't think that that won't be next, if it isn't there already.

    > Would be interesting to hear NE Asian Rap/Hip Hop music.

    Here’s an example. He is hardly typical, being a young Taiwanese-American Marxist rap artist, but his stuff is more interesting than the usual rap braggadocio.

    He made this video in North Korea:

    即使我們自以為自己是正義的義士
    jíshǐ wǒmen zì yǐwéi zìjǐ shì zhèngyì de yìshì
    although we think of ourselves as just and morally courageous people,

    但其實是我們迷失於斷章取義的歷史
    dàn qíshí shì wǒmen míshī yú duànzhāngqǔyì de lìshǐ.
    it is actually us who are lost in deliberately misinterpreted history.

  216. @eah
    The rise of South Korean entertainers to pop culture dominance has been one of the odder stories of the 21st Century.

    List of best-selling albums of the 21st century

    There are no Korean (K-Pop) acts anywhere on the lists of best-selling albums.

    ... that the rise of pale-skinned Koreans has made Southeast Asian women even more obsessive about whitening their skins: ...

    Since when is the popularity of attractive, feminine, not obese young women, whom other young women seek to emulate, a new phenomenon? -- in the West it was tattoos and piercings.

    > > pop culture dominance

    > no Korean (K-Pop) acts

    Good point. Even using another, perhaps more current measure of popularity, YouTube videos,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-viewed_YouTube_videos#Top_videos

    among the top 30, only one Korean act, the rather exceptional and untypical (and still pretty good) Psy.

    The single most dominant video is… Puerto Rican!

  217. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It's the Scottish that makes her appear Yella.

    Oh, very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.

    Of course, do suggest a NE Asian in pop culture who is familiar to US audiences. (NOT K-Pop stars). An Asian woman currently in her 20's who is popular in the US mainstream.

    very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.

    But quite stirring…..

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Clearly Eurasian. Certainly more feminine than her contemporary Audrey Hepburn. But then, as Europe and Asia comprise the World Island, they are distant cousins, with shared ancestors and roots, so the mix is complete.

    Seldom do they make such classic beauty.

    Here is found what one's heart and soul longs for. There is what true beauty would hope to gaze upon during a single lifetime. Almost the equal to the perfect ten, Christie Brinkley.

    But noticed that you cannot supply an example of a young NE Asian that's popular in the US in 2019.

    , @Anonymous
    That Emzotic girl off YouTube is a Chinese/Spanish mix IIRC.
  218. @syonredux

    very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.
     
    But quite stirring.....


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/23/66/c6/2366c623bede017aa731e832b3a68fd0--asian-american-american-history.jpg


    https://68.media.tumblr.com/e7875d6afc1b4bae68fe66c807814f10/tumblr_oli6fdK4nz1vbjb4ao4_500.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/d2/b1/5cd2b1d050510130906fe2d1abbfda1d.jpg

    Clearly Eurasian. Certainly more feminine than her contemporary Audrey Hepburn. But then, as Europe and Asia comprise the World Island, they are distant cousins, with shared ancestors and roots, so the mix is complete.

    Seldom do they make such classic beauty.

    Here is found what one’s heart and soul longs for. There is what true beauty would hope to gaze upon during a single lifetime. Almost the equal to the perfect ten, Christie Brinkley.

    But noticed that you cannot supply an example of a young NE Asian that’s popular in the US in 2019.

  219. @Sparkon
    Well, getting back to Asian girl groups with pale complexions, here's another take on enka from some real Japanese beauties...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SVCfc1h9U


    Original Title: 京都慕情 (Kyōto bojō - Kyōto lyric)
    藤あや子 Ayako Fuji
    長山洋子 Yoko Nagayama
    香西かおり Kaori Kozai
    伍代夏子 Natsuko Godai
    坂本冬美 Fuyumi Sakamoto

    Cast singer left → right Ayako Fuji, Kaori Kasai, Fuyumi Sakamoto, Natsuko Sashiro, Yoko Nagayama.

    I took a look at Blackpink’s big hit “Kill This Love” which has great production and the girls are attractive, but it’s too frenzied. I see that Rosé (로제) is from New Zealand, and Lisa (리사) is Thai.

    Korean women can be very beautiful, but I knew that. I think Korean gals have better legs than Japanese women. I suspect squatting a lot is not conducive to development of nice legs, and the Japanese do a lot of that squatting from the time they are very young.

    The contemporary J-Pop Idol girl groups dancing often look like a P.E. class.

    ——-

    Anyway, that beautiful song “Kyōto Bojō” I posted in my #215 performed by those five Japanese divas in the Enka Singers was composed by — wait for it — former lead guitarist for the Ventures, Gerry McGee.

    It was released as a single “Reflections in a Palace Lake” by the Ventures in Japan on Nov. 15, 1970, and was soon covered by Yuko Tsuji with Japanese lyrics by Haruo Hayashi and released as “”Kyōto Bojō” (京都慕情) on Dec. 1, 1970.

    “Reflections in a Palace Lake” The Ventures, 1970

    TOKYO (CelebrityAccess) — Gerry McGee, the former lead guitarist of the instrumental rock band The Ventures, died after collapsing on stage in Japan on October 8th.

    苦しめないで ああ責めないで 別れのつらさ 知りながら
    Kurushimenaide ā semenaide wakare no tsura-sa shirinagara
    Do not suffer do not fear that parting may be unknown

    RIP

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    My translation was wrong.

    苦しめないで ああ責めないで 別れのつらさ 知りながら
    Kurushimenaide ā semenaide wakare no tsura-sa shirinagara
    Do not suffer do not fear that parting may be unknown
    Do not suffer oh don't blame me while knowing the fear of separation.

    Gerry McGee passed away on October 12, 2019 after collapsing onstage in Tokyo four days earlier. He was 81.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-UUv3oYj8


    Acoustic Medley: (1). STRANGER IN MIDOSUJI, (2). REFLECTIONS IN A PALACE LAKE, (3). WAKARETA HITO TO, (4). HOKKAIDO SKIES. (Live in Japan 1997)...The VeNtuReS are: Gerry McGee(lead guitar), Bob Bogle(bass guitar), Don Wilson(rhythm guitar), and Leon Taylor(drums).

  220. @European-American
    I don't know much about Korea but I think Suk-Young 석영 is a fairly common Korean name. The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning "confer glory", but who knows? A Korean, probably...

    Regarding funny-sounding names, I'm always surprised when Americans are called "Dick". But I suppose for some it's really fitting. Homonyms, such fun, amirite?

    The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning “confer glory”, but who knows? A Korean, probably…

    You are thinking of 賜榮 which would mean “confer glory.”

    If the “hanja” (Chinese characters used to write this particular name) are indeed 錫榮, it would mean “tin glory.”

    Your guess of 錫榮 does make sense though. For some reason, Koreans do love the names of metals in given names. They also love characters involving fire, such as 炫.

    • Replies: @European-American
    Further research on Wikipedia suggests the many given names composed with 錫 are masculine. By the way my Chinese dictionary says 錫 does have the literary meaning “grant, confer, bestow”.

    A better guess for a feminine name sounding like Suk is 淑, “refined, pure, virtuous, pretty”, so hanja for Suk-Young 석영 might be 淑榮.

    (sorry to other readers for the off-topic speculative language geekery)

  221. @syonredux

    very good, you are showing awareness of what the larger point was. Yes, Liu is Chinese, which was my point: A modern (21st century active) form and figure from NE Asian ancestry. Kwan is about 80 yrs old. Hardly current.
     
    But quite stirring.....


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/23/66/c6/2366c623bede017aa731e832b3a68fd0--asian-american-american-history.jpg


    https://68.media.tumblr.com/e7875d6afc1b4bae68fe66c807814f10/tumblr_oli6fdK4nz1vbjb4ao4_500.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/d2/b1/5cd2b1d050510130906fe2d1abbfda1d.jpg

    That Emzotic girl off YouTube is a Chinese/Spanish mix IIRC.

  222. @Sparkon
    I took a look at Blackpink's big hit "Kill This Love" which has great production and the girls are attractive, but it's too frenzied. I see that Rosé (로제) is from New Zealand, and Lisa (리사) is Thai.

    Korean women can be very beautiful, but I knew that. I think Korean gals have better legs than Japanese women. I suspect squatting a lot is not conducive to development of nice legs, and the Japanese do a lot of that squatting from the time they are very young.

    The contemporary J-Pop Idol girl groups dancing often look like a P.E. class.

    -------

    Anyway, that beautiful song "Kyōto Bojō" I posted in my #215 performed by those five Japanese divas in the Enka Singers was composed by -- wait for it -- former lead guitarist for the Ventures, Gerry McGee.

    It was released as a single "Reflections in a Palace Lake" by the Ventures in Japan on Nov. 15, 1970, and was soon covered by Yuko Tsuji with Japanese lyrics by Haruo Hayashi and released as ""Kyōto Bojō" (京都慕情) on Dec. 1, 1970.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZiPU3fmsA


    "Reflections in a Palace Lake" The Ventures, 1970


    TOKYO (CelebrityAccess) — Gerry McGee, the former lead guitarist of the instrumental rock band The Ventures, died after collapsing on stage in Japan on October 8th.
     
    苦しめないで ああ責めないで 別れのつらさ 知りながら
    Kurushimenaide ā semenaide wakare no tsura-sa shirinagara
    Do not suffer do not fear that parting may be unknown

    RIP

    My translation was wrong.

    苦しめないで ああ責めないで 別れのつらさ 知りながら
    Kurushimenaide ā semenaide wakare no tsura-sa shirinagara
    Do not suffer do not fear that parting may be unknown
    Do not suffer oh don’t blame me while knowing the fear of separation.

    Gerry McGee passed away on October 12, 2019 after collapsing onstage in Tokyo four days earlier. He was 81.

    Acoustic Medley: (1). STRANGER IN MIDOSUJI, (2). REFLECTIONS IN A PALACE LAKE, (3). WAKARETA HITO TO, (4). HOKKAIDO SKIES. (Live in Japan 1997)…The VeNtuReS are: Gerry McGee(lead guitar), Bob Bogle(bass guitar), Don Wilson(rhythm guitar), and Leon Taylor(drums).

  223. @Eagle Eye

    The corresponding Hanja might be something like 錫榮 meaning “confer glory”, but who knows? A Korean, probably…
     
    You are thinking of 賜榮 which would mean "confer glory."

    If the "hanja" (Chinese characters used to write this particular name) are indeed 錫榮, it would mean "tin glory."

    Your guess of 錫榮 does make sense though. For some reason, Koreans do love the names of metals in given names. They also love characters involving fire, such as 炫.

    Further research on Wikipedia suggests the many given names composed with 錫 are masculine. By the way my Chinese dictionary says 錫 does have the literary meaning “grant, confer, bestow”.

    A better guess for a feminine name sounding like Suk is 淑, “refined, pure, virtuous, pretty”, so hanja for Suk-Young 석영 might be 淑榮.

    (sorry to other readers for the off-topic speculative language geekery)

  224. To sort of get back on the topic of hot Korean ladies and bring more pictorial evidence for the absurd question of whiteness-whatever-whatever, here’s a rousing song by the North Korean First Lady, Ri Sol Ju 리설주 李雪主

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