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I snarked five years ago about the brilliant staff assembled by Raj Chetty, now the Bill Ackman Professor of Economics back at Harvard, to do breakthrough analyses of anonymized official data from the IRS, Census, College Board, and the like:
Stanford economist Raj #Chetty has assembled an expert team of crack data analysts (shown below) to figure out why blacks and Indians (Americans, not Asian) have lower incomes.
One thing Chetty knows: it _couldn't_ have anything to do with IQ and race.https://t.co/Wgbsn4n6NR pic.twitter.com/t8hKkEfoOQ
— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) March 22, 2018
Chetty is of course a South Asian. Of the other 12 people in the photo, one is almost completely blocked, one is a white woman, and the the other ten appear to be all white male or at least partly white male.
Now, from the Chronicle of Higher Education:
Does Raj Chetty Practice What He Preaches?
His research skewers elitist systems. But some former employees say his lab is part of the problem.
By Nell Gluckman and Francie Diep
DECEMBER 20, 2023Raj Chetty has reshaped our understanding of social mobility in the United States.
The Harvard University economist’s research, often featured in The New York Times, has renewed scrutiny of America’s identity as “the land of opportunity.” In 2015, Chetty and Nathaniel Hendren, a frequent co-author, posted a detailed analysis of every county in the U.S. sorted by how likely their poor children are to move up the socioeconomic ladder.
As I pointed out in my lengthy analysis “Moneyball for Real Estate” of Chetty’s rather opaque paper, the best county in the USA for blue collar kids to grow up in is ultra-conservative Sioux County, Iowa, where 40% are members of the Dutch Reformed Church and 80% are church-goers. In ironic contrast, the worst county to grow up in is the Sioux Indian reservation in Pine Ridge, South Dakota.
The basic finding of Chetty’s data on social mobility, as I pointed out in 2013 in the first week he started publishing it (in my post: “Breakthrough Study: Poor Blacks Tend to Stay Poor, Black“), is that whites regress toward higher mean incomes than do blacks or American Indians. But there are more minor influences as well, such as that north central Protestants and Mormons do better than other blue collar whites.
In 2018, Chetty, Hendren, and two other co-authors showed that Black men consistently earn less than their white peers from families with the same incomes, once they become adults.
It’s called blacks regressing toward a lower mean income than whites.
More strikingly, Chetty found that black men are imprisoned three to ten times as often as their white peers who had the exact same incomes growing up:
This is a pretty epic finding by Chetty. Virtually nobody thought they could get their hands on all this confidential government data until Chetty resolved to do it.
My graph of Chetty’s data is more jaw-dropping than his, but if you study Chetty’s own graph closely,
you’ll see he’s come up with the same answer as I have: that while the extraordinarily high black crime is partly correlated with income differences, a huge fraction is due to racial differences. Yet, almost nobody other than me figured out that’s what he was saying.
Chetty’s work has been used as a rallying cry to urge municipalities to do more to help their poorest residents reach the middle class.
Chetty was confident way back in 2013 that he was about to discover a whole bunch of ways for American society to be reorganized so that poor people could move up in the world over the generations. But, instead, he’s mostly come up with one good insight over the last decade: Mothers of black sons — move, right now, as far away from your nephews as possible before they recruit your son, their cousin, to join their street gang. Instead, go move to some white exurb far from your kin where the neighborhood boys play Grand Theft Auto rather than commit Grand Theft Auto.
But virtually nobody other than me grasps what Chetty is trying to tell them because he’s not going to phrase his findings as clearly as I will. After all, he’s the the William A. Ackman Professor of Economics at Harvard University and he intends to stay that way even if nobody other than deplorable Sailer readers ever comprehends what he’s found. It would be swell if his findings were made clear to black mothers, but he’s not going to sacrifice his brilliant career by first making his discoveries clear to white liberal social justice warriors so they can cancel him.
In contrast to me, the media seems convinced that Chetty’s data confirms liberal pieties. Myself, having looked over Chetty’s numbers carefully, I find that either he has confirmed my picture of how the world the works, or I’ve changed my worldview to conform to his findings.
Chetty has also dramatically recast how colleges are measured. Among his landmark findings: Many of the most selective institutions enroll more students in the top 1 percent of family income than in the bottom 60 percent. In recent months, he and his colleagues have revealed the extent to which many selective colleges put their thumbs on the scale for students from very rich families, as well as how strongly SAT scores correlate with family wealth….
… Economics is a notoriously white and male field, and Chetty has been credited with helping to change that.
Oh, boy … There’s definitely a shortage of South Asian academics these days. From The Atlantic in 2019:
His mother, Anbu, … showed the greatest academic potential of her five siblings … In 1962, Anbu married Veerappa Chetty, a brilliant man from Tamil Nadu whose mother and grandmother had sometimes eaten less food so there would be more for him. Anbu became a doctor and supported her husband while he earned a doctorate in economics. By 1979, when Raj was born in New Delhi, his mother was a pediatrics professor and his father was an economics professor who had served as an adviser to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.
It’s almost as if Raj Chetty had been eugenically bred to be smart and successful. But of course that’s pseudoscience, so he turned out dumb and unsuccessful:
When Chetty was 9, his family moved to the United States, and he began a climb nearly as dramatic as that of his parents. He was the valedictorian of his high-school class, then graduated in just three years from Harvard University, where he went on to earn a doctorate in economics and, at age 28, was among the youngest faculty members in the university’s history to be offered tenure. In 2012, he was awarded the MacArthur genius grant. The following year, he was given the John Bates Clark Medal, awarded to the most promising economist under 40. (He was 33 at the time.) In 2015, Stanford University hired him away. Last summer, Harvard lured him back to launch his own research and policy institute, with funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative.
And Bill Ackman.
In 2003, after earning his doctorate, Chetty moved to UC Berkeley for his first job. He was, at the time, the only person in his immediate family—his parents and two older sisters, both biomedical researchers—who had not published a paper.
Both of Chetty’s parents descend from the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking, and the kids were raised to carry on their cultural heritage. They learned Tamil in addition to Hindi. Chetty’s sisters married men with Chettiar backgrounds. Chetty rejects the caste system, though he first met his wife, Sundari, after one of his sisters got to know her through the Chettiar community. (Sundari is a stem-cell biologist.)
The Chettiar caste definitely practices social mobility!
Back to the Chronicles of Higher Education:
Born in India, his family moved to the U.S. when he was 9. He earned his economics Ph.D. from Harvard at age 23, won a MacArthur Fellowship in 2012, and was elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 2018. After stints as a faculty member at the University of California at Berkeley, Harvard, and Stanford University, he returned to Harvard in 2018, where he and two colleagues founded a research group called Opportunity Insights. He also started an introductory economics course that’s been lauded for attracting more diverse students to economics. Opportunity Insights has garnered tens of millions of dollars in grants from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and others.
But inside the lab, Chetty and his colleagues have not always practiced what their research preaches, several former employees say. When hiring for their prestigious “pre-doctoral fellowship” program, for instance, the lab uses a rubric that explicitly favors students from the very colleges that its own research has called out for reinforcing elitist systems. Opportunity Insights didn’t have its first Black pre-doc until 2021.
How many black law clerks did Ruth Bader Ginsburg have?
As of 2018, she had had one in the first 38 years of career on the bench. (Not surprisingly, he was very good: one of the three finalists for an Obama Supreme Court nomination.)
Seven former employees who spoke to The Chronicle about their experiences were bothered by what they saw as contradictions between the lab’s practices and its stated values.
After landing the fellowship, some employees said they were also disturbed to find a culture of overwork that left them fried but feeling forced to impress in order to secure a letter of recommendation to a top Ph.D. program. For some employees, it took a toll on their health. Harvard even reviewed the lab following claims of unsustainable working hours. …
“If you’ve been at this handful of colleges we’re talking about, you have been taught probably by recent Nobel laureates, or students of Nobel laureates, about methods they developed in the last five years,” Chetty said. “We can feel that very clearly when we’re doing interviews or talking with students after we’ve hired them here.”
Chetty acknowledged the lab had room to improve. But he argued that it was much more diverse than other, similar pre-doc programs, and than the field’s doctoral programs. “We’re proud of that,” he said. “We view that as basically part of our mission. We’re trying to advance equity in opportunity and through our research.”
Interviews with dozens of former Opportunity Insights employees, several of whom would only speak anonymously out of fear of damaging their career prospects, painted a nuanced picture of what it was like to work there. At best, the trailblazing lab is making a real effort to be true to its stated values while constrained by larger forces of homogeneity and elitism within economics.
Or maybe the smartest, hardest working young economists tend to have smart, hard working parents?
At worst, its leaders have been content to let the lessons of their research go unrealized within their own organization.
Or maybe you should listen to me explain what the lessons of Chetty’s research really are, not Chetty? After all, why would I lie about what Chetty is digging up? In contrast, why would Chetty obfuscate his Sailerish findings? To avoid being canceled, of course.
Over the past decade, big data has revolutionized economics. …
Some economists hoped the advent of pre-doctoral fellowships would also help diversify the profession. The field is striking for its lack of representation. A paper published this fall in the Journal of Economic Perspectives reported that 65 percent of U.S.-born economics-Ph.D. recipients have a parent with a graduate degree. That was the greatest share among 14 broad Ph.D. fields — like humanities, biological sciences, and business — the researchers analyzed. “Economics is one of the least socioeconomically diverse fields,” the paper’s authors wrote.
It’s almost as if economists tend to grow up in families that are comfortable thinking intelligently about money and thus tend to have a lot of it. For example, former Harvard president and former secretary of the treasury Larry Summers is the son of two professors of economics and the nephew of two Nobel winning economists (Paul Samuelson was his father’s brother and Kenneth Arrow was his mother’s brother.)
That paper also found that among U.S.-born doctorate holders in those 14 fields, economics Ph.D.s are the least likely to be underrepresented racial and ethnic minorities, the least likely to be first-generation college students, and among the least likely to be women. (Math, engineering, and computer science have fewer female doctorates).
And, I guess, judging from Nobel Prizes, probably the highest percentage of Jews.
In theory, pre-doc positions could help to level the playing field. They give recent graduates a chance to try out life as a researcher before committing to a six-year Ph.D. This opportunity is especially important for people who didn’t attend a college with robust research programs. Pre-docs are seen as a good alternative to master’s degrees because they’re paid — at roughly $45,000 to $65,000 per year, according to one survey. (The pre-docs at Opportunity Insights make $65,000, Chetty said.)
Known for its prestige and mission, Opportunity Insights is a sought-after destination for prospective pre-docs. The group receives some 500 applications a year for the roughly half-dozen spots that open up annually. To sort through the stacks of materials, the lab created a rubric that assigns points based on different measures. Current pre-docs use the rubric to help make a first cut in the applicant pool for the successive class.
In a 2021 copy of the rubric obtained by The Chronicle, “caliber of university” was worth two points, out of nine. The other criteria were research experience, worth four points; grades, worth two points; and a bonus point that could go to applicants “who truly stand out,” have a unique skill or perspective, or go “above and beyond.” …
A college’s caliber is determined by a list the lab leaders maintain. One version of the list obtained by The Chronicle catalogs the 75th-percentile math SAT scores at more than 1,200 colleges. The rubric stipulates that the full two points go to alumni of colleges where the math SAT scores of top admitted students were 790 or higher; 1.5 points for scores of 750 to 789; and one point for 700 to 749.
Based on these copies of the rubric and calibrating list, applicants from the California Institute of Technology, Carnegie Mellon University, Swarthmore College, and 32 other colleges, got the full two points. Graduates of the University of California at Irvine, Rutgers University at New Brunswick, Kenyon College, and 68 other colleges got one point. Public universities that had lower SAT scores, but which were their state’s flagship, as well as “top” historically Black colleges, got a half point. All other HBCUs, along with about 1,000 other colleges — the vast majority of the institutions listed — got zero points. (It’s not clear which HBCUs were considered “top.”)
Chetty was a Harvard professor, then he was lured to Stanford, then Harvard and billionaire Bill Ackman lured him back to Harvard. It’s not clear if any HBCUs were ever in the running for Professor Chetty’s services.
Sarah Oppenheimer, executive director of Opportunity Insights,
What have people named “Oppenheimer” ever accomplished in math-intensive fields like stock investing, cartelizing diamonds, and blowing up Hiroshima?
… Several former employees saw the rubric as conflicting with the findings of Opportunity Insights’ own research. Data from the lab’s latest college-admissions paper show just how tightly students’ SAT scores correlate to their families’ incomes. That paper also showed that at “Ivy Plus” colleges — defined as the eight Ivy League institutions, plus Duke University, MIT, Stanford, and the University of Chicago — family income has an outsize influence on admissions. Even among students who have the same SAT scores, students from families in the top 1 percent of American incomes are more than twice as likely to get into an Ivy-Plus college as students from middle-class families.
“We conclude that highly selective private colleges currently amplify the persistence of privilege across generations,” reads the paper’s abstract.
… In interviews, the lab’s leaders said they saw benefits to hiring graduates of high-scoring colleges. The pre-docs often learn from one another, Chetty said, so it’s helpful to have at least some who come in highly trained. “If you’re trying to do the best research,” he said, “the reality is, I think it is valuable to hire students from top colleges.”
As for why the lab defines “top colleges” using their students’ math SAT scores, Friedman acknowledged it’s not a perfect measure, but, he said: “We’re trying to be consistent about how we do it, in a way that isn’t just us saying, ‘Oh, we like that school. We don’t like that school.’” Even as Opportunity Insights’ research has shown a close correlation between SAT score and family income, it’s also found that among students of the same race or level of family wealth, higher scores are associated with better incomes and jobs later in life. …
Chetty said he was aware that favoring prestigious colleges could “cut against having a diverse pool.” To account for that, Chetty said the lab also keeps an eye out for applicants “from those backgrounds that are less widely represented” and advances most of them, regardless of how the rubric scores them.
Underrepresented perspectives in the lab might mean skills, such as computer programming, or being from parts of the country or world that are unusual for Opportunity Insights, Chetty said. A large share of underrepresented-racial-minority applicants get the coding test and an interview, he said, adding that pre-docs working on admitting the next class weren’t told about this aspect of the hiring. He said he didn’t want to “create the social dynamics of: ‘This person was admitted through one process, and then this person got some other consideration.’”
The hiring process has yielded a relatively diverse group of pre-docs, the lab leaders say: Since 2018, about 15 percent of their pre-docs have been Hispanic or Black, and 44 percent are women or nonbinary. For comparison, just 4 percent of doctoral students in economics are Hispanic, Black, American Indian, or Pacific Islander, according to the latest available data from the National Science Foundation. Thirty-six percent of current economics Ph.D. students are women.
So after 2018 when I tweeted that photo of his staff, Chetty shifted over to affirmative action hiring, and now his staffers are whining about how hard he works them?
But the lab’s pre-doc alumni overwhelmingly hail from colleges of high “caliber,” as the rubric defines it. Of 76 former pre-docs for whom The Chronicle could identify an undergraduate institution — out of 81 pre-docs in the lab’s history — only one non-international student attended a college that received zero points in the 2021 copy of the rubric and calibrating list.
How many students at zero point colleges earn a 790 on their math SAT?
The problem isn’t the rubric, the lab’s leaders argue. It’s that less than 2 percent of people who apply to Opportunity Insights come from zero-scoring colleges.
Any efforts the lab made to specifically recruit Black pre-docs yielded no results until recently. By 2020, after nationwide protests sparked by a police officer’s murder of George Floyd, the lab still had never hired a Black pre-doc. Some staffers saw the situation as conflicting with the moral thrust of the lab’s research.
Shouldn’t a lab’s research have primarily a scientific thrust?
At least two classes of Opportunity Insights pre-docs advocated for changes to how pre-docs are hired, as did Maddie Marino, Chetty’s assistant in 2019 and 2020. Several pre-docs in the 2019-21 class compiled data for Chetty on who applied and got into the lab, showing which undergraduate programs were not well represented among applicants.
In other words, once Chetty started doing affirmative action hiring in 2019, his new hires roasted him for not doing more affirmative action hiring.
And they complained to the press about how exhausted they were.
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To summarize the representation of different groups at elite American universities in the last ~20 years or so.
Jews and Asians are overrepresented relative to their share of the overall US population – Jews substantially more so than Asians. Jews are, according to Unz’s analysis, also substantially overrepresented with respect to merit. Asians, on the other hand, are probably a bit underrepresented with respect to merit.
Blacks and Hispanics are roughly fairly represented with respect to their overall share of the US population, but are both grossly overrepresented with respect to merit (blacks especially so).
White gentiles are underrepresented with respect to *both* their share of the population *and* merit, and grossly underrepresented with respect to merit.
Generally speaking, Jews have benefited the most under the current system, blacks the second most and Hispanics the third most. White gentiles are hurt by far the most and Asians the second most.
Notably, if you were to order groups with respect to intersectional pokemon points in society in general, the elite universities perfectly reflect the degree to which groups are generally favored/disfavored:
Whites being heavily disfavored
Asians arguably slightly favored/disfavored depending on the issue
Hispanics moderated favored
Blacks heavily favored (as the Jews’ favorite pets/golems)
Jews very heavily favored
Omitted (being on another dimension) are LGBT who are also favored. So, it’s fair to ask a question like, not only “how overrepresented are LGBT?” but also “what fraction of white gentile males *specifically* are LGBT?” It may well be some huge fraction – like fully half of them are. This raises another question: how many conservative, non-LGBT white Christian males are there at elite universities who aren’t legacy admissions (i.e., who actually got in on merit)? A century ago they would have been the majority but today they are, presumably, vanishingly few in number.
Idi Amin reasoned that Africa was for Africans, and a foreign-blooded professional class was a mistake. Whites, who are a competent race, need a foreign elite even less than Uganda.
I’m sorry, but why is the mere act of tabulating statistics, rote mechanical work which more properly should be put under the head of ‘accountancy’ is described as ‘ground breaking work in economics’?
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.
Chetty and his crew would do better to watch old re-runs of the Andy Griffith show or something. This ridiculous idea that everyone actually wants "social mobility"; and just what is that, what does it mean? Why can't people have social mobility in their own neighborhoods? Is it really practical that everyone goes to college? Well maybe yes, because the country moved all the manufacturing jobs out and we're to become a "Service Economy". Call the groundbreaking what it is, Social Engineering For A New Economy. Sickening.
Theorizing without data, just produces nonsense--the wolf chases the sun across the sky. The entire scientific revolution--and why we sit in nice warm houses with iSteve on our computers--is based on empiricism--the data drives better and better theories.
The West has suffered the last 60+ under the lash of anti-empirical "theorizing"--really just crude assertion--about race, sex, nation ... human nature, and gee ... what a great run!
Basically, you had the holy grail of economics in a box.
The implication is that the unprecedented surge in living standards from 1945 to 1970 was solely due cheap and abundant energy - and the ingenuity which put that energy to use in a myriad of industrial applications.
Everything else is for the birds.And that line of reasoning got me thinking about the immense potential of nuclear energy - and the abject failure of its exploitation, the lack of vision, boldness etc. On that note, the HTGR reactors, being developed by China, fascinate me with their potential to instigate a super abundance of cheap energy.
In fairness, whether he believed this or not, he’d have to say he was so we don’t know. If you are looking for funding, trying to get access to datasets (Like his IRS data) or even just writing a paper trying to make it sound impactful and relevant, you often have to portray your actions as having immediate real-world applications. You can’t just do basic research for it’s own sake anymore, at least you are encouraged to make an effort to pretend you aren’t.
In other words, with that one tweet with the picture of the staff, you have done more damage to the Harvard Opportunity Insights lab than an entire coven of HR women could have. Professional jealousy? I don’t think so. You are way too nice.
In fact, you are way too nice for suggesting to single black Moms that they move out to the exurbs. WAY too nice. I’m glad none of them read your tweets.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @ic1000, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman
ctrl-f “rubric”: “11 matches”
Good deal. At least the lab is doing its Equitable best in hiring plenty of gaiety.
“More strikingly, Chetty found that black men are imprisoned three to ten times as often as their white peers who had the exact same incomes growing up”
Doesn’t social science research say that an adolescent’s personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there’s the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:
That suggests rather ominous things for America’s future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve’s pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there’s not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)
That suggests rather ominous things for America’s future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole.
American demographics are rather - dynamic - so it's hard to predict the future. The Smart Fraction can put up walls, hire bodyguards, pay the grift and occasional ransom, and keep things going despite chaos outside the gates. Do you know there are multi-millionaires and one billionaire in Haiti?
https://moneyinc.com/richest-people-haiti/
BTW, you can look up the top 10 countries with the highest Gini coefficients here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country.
Nine of the ten are African and then there's Brazil. This is a familiar pattern of course.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/the-6-million-mansion-blm-reportedly-bought-with-donated-funds/Replies: @Bill
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No, that's a thesis offered by Judith Rich Harris (based on literature reviews). She herself never developed the thesis having offered it, because she was an elderly textbook editor, not a researcher in psychology.Replies: @rebel yell
Battle here is between those who think both are contributing; and those who think it is all socializing.
Immigrants from India are acting very much like the Jews did in the 1920’s and 30’s. Jews+Indians= academia is screwed.
If the SHTF, I wonder if he’ll let us in.
“It would be swell if his findings were made clear to black mothers, … ” — but maybe it already is clear; otherwise, what’s the point of all the griping about redlining?
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
You are very wrong on this. Data gathering and analysis is extremely, extremely crucial. Theorizing is secondary to data analysis in high-quality economic research.
Asian-Americans might bring some fresh thinking to the Great American Negro Question. Yankees, Southerners and steamship Jews have become too emotionally invested in the Question to come up with a way forward.
Americans can’t help but impose their White & Black template onto any other society they encounter across space and time. The question always is “who are the Blacks and who are the Whites in this place?’; whether it’s Ireland, Russia, ancient Greece, Monaco or the United Federation of Planets. So maybe having new people ask “who are the Brahmans and who are the Untouchables around here?” might knock the US out of the endless Groundhog Day it’s been in since Eisenhower sent the troops to Little Rock?
As Hank Hill said: “I’m trying to contain the outbreak here, and you’re driving the monkey to the airport!”:
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
Statistics are how you figure that out.
Every day now we’re bombarded with several scam calls, texts, and emails urging us to validate a lost courier account, potential tax fraud, outstanding fines, fees due on an old library card.
These are the wages of the Labor (Red) and Liberal (Blue) duopoly of our polity.
This on top of a mass immigration that is driving down wages, and driving up housing costs, at the same time exacerbating inflation.
Yet it keeps on going on, not only this country but every other 5 eyes nation.
Idiots still contend: typical call out to conspiracy theory lame regurgitated meme, that I’m some sort of conspiratard for pointing out things that are fact and are happening simultaneously throughout the world wide web yet in every other circumstance the circumstance is different except for one salient fact: we all went under mass lockdowns.
Where am I going with this?
Raj Chetty. Vivek Ramaswamy. Nimarata Randhawa. The last two are viable Republican nominees.
I’d be surprised if the man masquerading as Anne Coulter hasn’t fucked them all, we know he has a thing for street shitters.
This and also Bill Maher, astounding that Bill Maher has such a huge sway over any voting base, at the same time you’ve got that lezbo kay queen as your hall monitor, it’s astounding that you’re still self governing.
The sooner the USA devolves into disparate states the better for all White mankind.
The same goes for Australia.
United we fail, divided we thrive.
Steve speaks loudly and clearly into the telephone divulging all required details to complete the transaction.That night: Steve sleeps a fulfilled sleep, knowing he completed the task required and did it with due diligence that only a White man can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhkbDMISl8Replies: @Lurker
In fact, you are way too nice for suggesting to single black Moms that they move out to the exurbs. WAY too nice. I'm glad none of them read your tweets.Replies: @SFG
This blog has an awful lot of Jewish readers, but few black ones. At least judging from the comments.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.
It's worth mentioning the part of the Opportunity Insights pre-doc candidate-selection rubric that Steve didn't discuss.
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Sorry, TD and other Commenters of Color -- that's how the cookie crumbles.
“Does Raj Chetty Practice What He Preaches?”
Old White Goy responds to standard subcontinent grift.
The medium confuses the old White Goy. “Shouldn’t this account be resolved over the telephone?” He interrogates himself.
“I can pay the bill”, he yells. “Where’s my check book!”, he equally loudly yells: the family scurries about wondering what’s taken over him, not knowing he’s in mid-possession of a sub-continent scam call that has taken over him any-way they can.
Instead.
Old White Goy steps into the trap and responds.
“Listen here lad! We know what we’re doing and we have precedents!”
Old man screams “I’ve always done what I knew I had to do, I’ve completed every task”
“What’s your credit card number? We need to clear this up starting with the CVC.” is the response
Steve speaks loudly and clearly into the telephone divulging all required details to complete the transaction.
That night: Steve sleeps a fulfilled sleep, knowing he completed the task required and did it with due diligence that only a White man can.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @ic1000, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman
Yes, this is basically a dating site where anti-Semites and Semites can hook up to playfight online.
(Yes, usually it's the counter-Semites, but I've spent enough time on right-wing boards it doesn't feel that way!)Replies: @Cagey Beast
Not that I know from such things, but how does the arithmetic here work out? There are 6 spots annually. It was founded in 2018, and yet it has 81 pre-docs in its history?
It implies a huge turnover!
Let me reintroduce a post that I made a few years ago.
After reading about Chetty’s study on social mobility back a few years ago, I decided to do my own analysis to determine the best states to live and raise a child. I don’t have access to a huge amount of “anonymized data” or a team of PHD researchers, but I think analysis holds up reasonably well.
So here’s what I did.
1. I inputted the rates of incarceration, overdose, teen pregnancy, youth deaths, parental incarceration, and youth degree attainment for each state. Each rate was equally weighted and assessed against the national medians. Using these rates, I computed a “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for each state. Higher the “Index,” the better the state. I only used rates for the Non-Hispanic White population of each respective state. The data are from 2017, but still relevant.
2. I then inputted the cost-of-living adjusted household income of each state. Again, I only used the income statistics of the Non-Hispanic White population of each respective state. By combining this income statistic with the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” (see point 1), I calculated each state’s “Prosperity Index.”
3. I then repeated steps 1&2 (see above) for the Black population of each state.
The “Pro-Social Behavior Index” is a good indicator of how well the inhabitants of a particular state “behave” themselves. So if you’re a parent with kids (or looking to have kids), a “Pro-Social” state would give you a more family-friendly environment and a better opportunity to raise well-behaved children.
The “Prosperity Index” includes the above behavioral metrics, but also factors in cost-of-living adjusted income. This is a good indicator of which states facilitate both “good behavior” and economic prosperity. For parents who are status-strivers and want to maximize their child’s well-being and financial earnings, this index is a good tool for determining where they could settle.
Here’s the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for Non-Hispanic White Americans.
Here’s the “Prosperity Index” for Non-Hispanic White Americans.
Here’s the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for Black Americans.
Here’s the “Prosperity Index” for Black Americans.
There’s a much larger discussion below this. Click on the “MORE” tag to see more.
For Non-Hispanic Whites, Minnesota does extremely well. For both Non-Hispanic Whites and Blacks, West Virginia does very poorly.
It seems like the Upper Midwest, the Northeast, and California are comparatively good places for Non-Hispanic Whites. Given the high cost of living and concentration of economic activity, it’s not surprising that the Northeast and California do well. It’s more impressive that the Upper Midwest, which is relatively affordable and more low-key, is such a strong performer. That region seems to be doing something right.
Appalachia, the Deep South, the Ozarks, parts of the Southwest, and some of the backwater states do poorly. I’d assume that’s because these areas tend to get drained of their talented and enterprising people. The opioid epidemic has hit many of these areas pretty hard too.
According to Chetty’s Map, young working-class Non-Hispanic White Males do well in the Upper Midwest and Mountain states. Texas and, interestingly, Louisiana are very strong performers too. Part of California, the Northeast, and the Southwest perform decently. They do poorly in the Southeast (especially Appalachia) and much of the Greater Rust Belt.
Chetty thinks that working-class young Black males do poorly in the Rustbelt, California’s Central Valley, and Florida.
As Steve Sailer pointed out, some of this is probably due to boom/bust cycles. These cycles especially affect the wages of younger blue collar men in resource extraction industries. This probably accounts for why oil-rich Texas does so well for Non-Hispanic White men.
However, even with the boom/bust cycles, my analysis is that the Upper Midwest is a genuinely good place for Non-Hispanic White families and young blue collar White men. California and the Northeast are pricier, but can be adequate if you find the right economic niche (like a good union job). The Southeast (outside of major metros like Atlanta and Charlotte) seems comparatively like a poor choice.
I also developed a new index called the “Youth Behavior Index.” This index is a composite of the following metrics: incarceration rate, teen pregnancy rate, youth death rate, and youth college attainment rate. This is a good indicator of how well the youth in a particular state are “behaving” themselves.
The state-level teen pregnancy rate, youth death rate, and youth college attainment rate are all measurements of the behavioral performance of the youth of the state. Incarceration impacts people of all ages, but primarily it affects younger people. So the incarceration rate is another good indicator of whether youths are exhibiting anti-social behaviors.
I developed a “Youth Behavior Index” for both Non-Hispanic White youths and Black youths.
NH White youths exhibit very pro-social behavior in New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. The Northeast, Upper Midwest, and California tend to have pro-social NH White youths.
Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Oklahoma are the bottom-ranking states for NH Whites.
The trends are less clear for Blacks because many states (which have an asterisk next to them in the above chart) have limited data. However, it seems like the Northeast is doing well with its Black youth population.
I should caution this analysis holds for the pre-2020 era. Post-2020, there have been significant volatility and population shifts. It’s also more difficult to gather reliable data now.
Down in their hearts, everybody knows that genetics matter.
But there's a minoritarian mind virus, successfully inserted in most white brains now, running its program so you keep your genetic common sense within proscribed boundaries.
Chetty has spent a decade or so verifying pretty obvious truths and in the process demonstrating how critical the attack on Anglo-empirical genetics--the reality of humans differences, in intelligence and much else--has been and is to the minoritarian project.
People can convince themselves of pretty much anything but I don't believe all the Jews--Gould, Lewontin, Turkheimer, Kamen, etc--at the forefront of this fraud, really believe it. Afterall "goyishe kop", Jews generally weren't ones who thought "everyone's the same!" No, it was a straight up attack on the honor, decency, legitimacy of white gentile society. In the case of America, the nation that had given them refuge.
Chetty will publish and publish--and it's good to have such solid data--but he's not going to go poking holes in the minoritarian narrative. (The guy wants status and accolades.) And his results will be "interpreted" by the media with the appropriate spin.
Get me rewrite.
Please keep your advice about moving to white areas under wraps, I don’t want my kid getting his ass kicked by Shitavius.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @ic1000, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman
> This blog has an awful lot of Jewish readers, but few black ones. At least judging from the comments.
It’s worth mentioning the part of the Opportunity Insights pre-doc candidate-selection rubric that Steve didn’t discuss.
* Aware of iSteve — minus 0.5 points
* Has read one or more of Sailer’s posts — minus 1 point
* Has authored a comment — minus 2 points
Sorry, TD and other Commenters of Color — that’s how the cookie crumbles.
I can actually see a bit of logic behind the complaint about how your undergrad alma mater is weighted versus your own academic performance as there are a lot of reasons why a student might not have gone to the most elite of schools – for Asians or whites its affirmative action working against them, for everybody it could simply be they got a better financial aid package, wanted to be in a specific location more than others, etc., etc. Giving a half point pat on the head for attending the better BHCUs is laughable – Spelman and Howard are considered the best, get undue credit in college rankings, and frankly are 3rd tier at best. Given the other criteria, this category probably serves as a way for Chetty to say “we tried” but not actually have to hire anyone significantly below the target caliber.
The phenomena that Chetty and others like him repeatedly demonstrate but are determined not to measure is how much political shibboleths around race and diversity distort intellectual honesty.
Steve, you’ve been directly namechecked on Rogan!
Also, your great quip about the (liberal) demand for racism exceeding its supply was quoted on NERDROTIC!
Chetty’s research seems more appropriate for sociology than economics. His conclusions are dubious based on shallow insights about correlations involving numbers. If he were actually working in a sociology department, he might look at other details such as education level of parents. This can’t be done with anonymized data so much. I think Chetty gets attention by making his number crunching sound more important than it actually is. If Harvard, Princeton and Yale all disappeared with their current students and faculty, we wouldn’t even notice. Too bad Chetty hasn’t applied himself to useful endeavors but isn’t that the true privilege of the privileged, to have money lavishly spent on your relatively useless pursuits and be thought well of for it?
I think we need to get Steve an internship in Software Engineering at a bank so he can learn what Indians are really like.
Good question.
It implies a huge turnover!
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
OTOH, the white kids might absorb Hispanic attitudes towards Negroes.
Statistics is hard accounting. And the local business paper had an article about the accounting program at the local/regional state university. They’re having trouble recruiting students, because they find accounting “too hard”.
> I can actually see a bit of logic behind the complaint about how your undergrad alma mater is weighted versus your own academic performance…
I think you have it backwards. If Chetty wanted to prioritize staffing his lab with math-capable pre-docs, “What was your SAT Math score?” is a much better criterion than “What was your college class’ average SAT Math score?”
On the other hand: If Top Universities are good at recruiting the best black high-school seniors (they are), Chetty’s rubric will give these applicants (i.e. mathy blacks attending top-tier universities) a leg up, compared to their competitors with less-desirable genetics.
In 2019, Sailer highlighted Gringo‘s contribution in the Comments on the paucity of blacks with high SAT Math scores. From a 2006 article:
Here is a more recent Brookings Institution commentary on a Chetty paper that also looks at 2015 scores: Race gaps in SAT math scores are as big as ever.
If Chetty wants to tweet a photo of his lab that highlights a correct diversity of racial features and pigmentation (he does), he has a steep climb ahead. Each year, there are no more than ~250 (2005 data) or ~1,000 (2015 data) members of the crucial demographic who could apply to the Opportunity Insights pre-doc program with “Very good or better” math scores. And Chetty is seeking “Outstanding.”
Claudine Gay could explain the problem better than I can, and demonstrate the opportunities and pitfalls of the most-obvious and most-common solution to it.
All the same, it's hard to respect Chetty in a lot of ways. He concocts fundamentally dishonest narratives on magic dirt/ZIP codes rather than going down uncomfortable paths in the pursuit of knowledge. Billions of dollars are spent annually by various actors that are steadfastly dedicated to not noticing. What an incredible waste of money and intellectual capital.
Doesn’t everyone understand that Chetty is just another South Asian grifter, con man and hustler? It’s a national trait. Indians are a incredibly toxic bunch, and their mass diaspora across the West is an ongoing disaster, destined to get much, MUCH worse.
I don’t think fraud is the most precise term to use for this Hindu, but I can’t think of the word one uses to describe a guy who spends the most amount of time and money in order to discover what is plainly obvious, lie about it, and then collect however many thousands/millions/ in grant money.
Steve, you need new heroes.
I call them "operators."
https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/reeves_racegaps_figure001.pngReplies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Arclight
And of course for those not very many black students who do score “outstanding” in maths, the world, or at least the white part of it, is their oyster. Unless they have unbelievably poor personal qualities, they can walk into pretty much any high-status career path.
(Btw, I looked at that Sailer tweet, not having a twitter account, and it says 29 reposts and 212 likes. Is there still a big thumb on the scales?)
Something deep inside the liberal amygdala is activated by giving things to people with brown faces. It doesn’t matter whether they need it, want it, or use it, the important thing is just to give it, that’s when the lizard-brain dopamine kicks in!
Chetty benefits by being a competent user of the fruits of this liberal-brain hack, and perhaps we all benefit inasmuch as at least the money and prestige wasn’t counterproductively lavished on black welfare mothers or violent migrants:
He’s trolled your tax returns, and come back from the underworld bearing a message of …
… iSteve? But no one but iSteve readers can see it. And meanwhile Chetty himself claims the message is one of confirming the usual liberal shibboleths (“women and minorities hardest hit”) and who’s really gonna check the math on all that?
But even more meanwhile, Chetty himself practices the usual liberal hypocrisy: hiring, working, living, and marrying as race-exclusively (and caste-exclusively [exciting new diversity twist!]) as possible. But no worries, Chetty says,
This reminds me of the time that I Sobranishly teased a liberal I know about his extremely white choice of mates and neighbors. His response? To hint darkly at sinister outside forces keeping him from living his best (most diverse) life.
Hey, my liberal and Chetty are both “trying to advance equity while constrained by larger forces of homogeneity and elitism”! The Redneck Occupied Government just keeps on keeping them down!
You could have written, "to hint brightly at sinister outside forces".
Of course it must be the same sinister outside forces which indicate a seldom mentioned example of revealed preferences. Of overseas vacation trips to other continents.
Why is Europe always #1? Even with American non Whites? I suspect Africa comes in barely ahead of Antarctica.
How many flights are jam packed with dusky tourists to the Mother Continent each year?
The few tourists who actually visit Africa are usually White, BTW.
Even the supposed "dark forces" don't want to visit their ancestral homeland.
But as your comment noted, even obvious facts don't get in the way of self hating White bias.
I used to track everything connected with the business -- including tips. I had a black helper for a year or so. He was excellent -- but all the helpers I retained for any length of time were excellent.
Anthony averaged almost exactly twice the average tips that my white helpers did. It was striking.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Almost Missouri
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
LOL. Not “in March 1932.” It’s “March 28, 1932.” I imagine it ended no more than 12 or perhaps 2 hours from the time that look of Uncanny Valley horror spread across the faces of Winthrop and Luella as they heard their human infant use guttural sounds to communicate a need.
That suggests rather ominous things for America’s future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole.
American demographics are rather – dynamic – so it’s hard to predict the future. The Smart Fraction can put up walls, hire bodyguards, pay the grift and occasional ransom, and keep things going despite chaos outside the gates. Do you know there are multi-millionaires and one billionaire in Haiti?
https://moneyinc.com/richest-people-haiti/
BTW, you can look up the top 10 countries with the highest Gini coefficients here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country.
Nine of the ten are African and then there’s Brazil. This is a familiar pattern of course.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/the-6-million-mansion-blm-reportedly-bought-with-donated-funds/
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @ic1000, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman
“the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book”
Yes, but for those who aren’t “naturals” the insights of people like Roissy came as a lightbulb moment, as you realised vast amounts of received advice on relationships were not only no good, but positively counterproductive.
There’s a scene of pure projection in Marilyn French’s feminist bible The Women’s Room, where the heroine is dreaming that her husband will sit down, look at the night sky, and expose all his vulnerabilities to her in great detail, going back to his childhood.
I personally would avoid this experiment.
(In the book, as she sits dreaming about this open, vulnerable husband, he sits down and asks her for a divorce.)
Always wondered why these type articles only reference SAT scores when 1/2 of college bound high school seniors take the ACT. Implicit or intentional bias against flyover country?
I was feeling a little alienated as a father of lowly ACT test takers while reading this article, but felt better when I read this:
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Unless of course you are using the pre September 9, 2016 definition of the word “deplorable.” Then my feelings are still hurt.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few had read it, acted on it, and never spoke of it again. It’s fairly obvious to me evo psych explains human mating behavior pretty well, but you can’t tell anyone.
I’d love to say it gives you a big advantage, but the truth is the popular guys knew all of that without reading it in a book.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @ic1000, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman
I was being facetious as far as the reading of his tweets. Yeah, a very few might read his tweets and take them seriously, but even if so, it’s people’s own eyes looking at this neighborhood and that which’ll help make the decisions for them. Data from a statistician, no matter you really trust the guy’s numbers, nah…
Don’t count on even the sane academics to reform the DIE corruption. Recently, Larry Summers argued that university governing boards needed to be more active in fighting the diversity rot, which he said had been building for a long time. (And Summers should know about that.) Then, a couple days later, Summers joined a Congo Line of former Harvard presidents in supporting Charlene Gay to lead Harvard into the future.
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”
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Neither did he. He just stole their property and gave it to his friends. (Actually, religious orders do have alternating periods of corruption and reform).
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State legislatures could prescribe regular procedures for choosing boards (say, a postal ballot from among alumni registered to vote in the state in question, supervised by the county board of elections where the main campus is located, assisted by the state board of elections). They do nothing.
Charlene Gay: the Mycroft Holmes of the Haitian elite!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUhnGfJ2q_c&t=9m8sReplies: @Achmed E. Newman
Can you give us rough time-stamps for each, Abe?
Has Sailer gone mainstream? Tim Dillon quoting Steve.
One missing step in the sequence involves getting these mothers motivated to care enough to undertake the effort and to handle the resulting social dislocation.
And if she has a job, it may very well be with the city government and that means a greater hassle of a daily commute, for starters.
Separately, this is quite similar to the advice actually followed by burgeoning millions from the third world, though most of them are military-age men.
And finally, none of this (naturally) considers the effects upon that distant exurb, or that previously white country. Because why would we ever do that?
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”Replies: @deep anonymous, @Anon, @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @kaganovitch
LOL. Not sure if you intended the word play on “conga line” but it works brilliantly!
News from suburban Madison, Wisconsin…
Shouldn’t that read “Black 2022 Tesla”?? And does Elon think it’s a good idea to arm 1-year olds??
Madison is only one violent police arrest away from becoming another Minneapolis in spite of it being home to a major university and top-level collegiate sports. About 5 years ago I read that Barry Alvarez had an 8-figure contract as athletic director at UW-Madison.
Cop-speak for shot in the arm, I hope, and not the head. At least they named him as a victim instead of just an individual, who could be a perp.Replies: @Anonymous
No liberal practices what he preaches. That’s part and parcel of being a sanctimonious liberal.
They focus on the association with parental income because they want the government to take your money and give it to the less financially fortunate. Could be worse. If they believed as Sailer does, they would want the government to take your sperm and give it to the less genetically fortunate and maybe make you marry ’em and raise the kids if they were also less culturally fortunate.
OTOH some pretty smart socially inept nerds might take that deal
“Does Raj Chetty Practice What He Preaches?”
When you look at his team-members, each is
blest with a complexion like peaches
and cream, with no blacks
and few Jills, mostly Jacks;
a Chong might make the grade, but no Cheeches.
I’d tighten it up thus:
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
Doesn’t social science research say that an adolescent’s personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role.
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No, that’s a thesis offered by Judith Rich Harris (based on literature reviews). She herself never developed the thesis having offered it, because she was an elderly textbook editor, not a researcher in psychology.
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
No it doesn’t. Blacks and mestizos aren’t chimpanzees.
And that's the problem that Chetty's own data is showing that he's having to tap-dance around: if you want more socio-economic mobility for your black or brown child, your best bet is move to a place with lots of white children for them to grow up around. But we're running out of white children.Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco
Sorry, I put a timestamp in the YouTube URL, but as often happens UNZ.com clobbered it. For the NERDROTIC clip go to 9:08 . For the much more prominent Rogan interview, the Steve namedrop happens immediately so just play that one from the beginning.
https://www.reuters.com/business/ackmans-bet-against-us-treasuries-pays-off-with-200-mln-profit-2023-10-25/
And the thing is he then went long bonds at almost the perfect time in November so depending on position sizing, etc. I’d say he’s made an additional ~$50 million on top of that. In other words he has plenty of resources now to get what he wants from Ivy Leage colleges, Big Law firms, Wall Street investment banks, etc. in terms of ending DEI.
BTW, confirmed our favorite silver fox anti-woke Jewish money man Bill Ackmam made beaucoup bucks on his short bond trade this fall:
https://www.reuters.com/business/ackmans-bet-against-us-treasuries-pays-off-with-200-mln-profit-2023-10-25/
And the thing is he then went long bonds at almost the perfect time in November so depending on position sizing, etc. I’d say he’s made an additional ~$50 million on top of that. In other words he has plenty of resources now to get what he wants from Ivy Leage colleges, Big Law firms, Wall Street investment banks, etc. in terms of ending DEI.
OT:
Another superstar of American meritocracy:
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”Replies: @deep anonymous, @Anon, @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @kaganovitch
That last quote is puzzling. I’m not aware of monastic reforms that were not made by monks (e.g., Rule of St. Benedict). Wasn’t Martin Luther an Augustinian monk?
With virtually no exception, all highly successful Indians who get to rule over large enough number of people, turn into some local maharaja and end up being parasites while personally contributing nothing of importance. Even the smartest ones. Not exclusive of Indians but with Indians the tendency reaches ~ absolute certainty.
More like up in their brains. It’s obvious and common sense.
But there’s a minoritarian mind virus, successfully inserted in most white brains now, running its program so you keep your genetic common sense within proscribed boundaries.
Chetty has spent a decade or so verifying pretty obvious truths and in the process demonstrating how critical the attack on Anglo-empirical genetics–the reality of humans differences, in intelligence and much else–has been and is to the minoritarian project.
People can convince themselves of pretty much anything but I don’t believe all the Jews–Gould, Lewontin, Turkheimer, Kamen, etc–at the forefront of this fraud, really believe it. Afterall “goyishe kop”, Jews generally weren’t ones who thought “everyone’s the same!” No, it was a straight up attack on the honor, decency, legitimacy of white gentile society. In the case of America, the nation that had given them refuge.
Chetty will publish and publish–and it’s good to have such solid data–but he’s not going to go poking holes in the minoritarian narrative. (The guy wants status and accolades.) And his results will be “interpreted” by the media with the appropriate spin.
Two comparisons from abroad.
(i) Back in the seventies a pal of mine was told by the London firm which had just offered him a job: We used to hire only from Oxford and Cambridge but we’ve seen the light. We now hire from the four ancient Scottish universities as well.
(ii) In the noughties, the head of a small team in a well known financial firm in London: My team is very diverse – I have one from Peterhouse, one from Caius, one from Clare, and a girl from Oxford.
he used to lasciviously comment “chetty chetty bhang bhang” on all the pretty girl social medias.
Can anyone answer this question…and I ask genuinely…
How does one tie anonymized IRS data to race?
No race in IRS data…maybe one could tie SSNs somehow, but I’m assuming SSNs would be redacted out…
The IRS data is probably not "anonymized" in the sense you're thinking. Chettyists probably use scripts to match IRS names and addresses to Census race records. Chetty then retains the results of these scripts with a serial number rather than a name, so that is "anonymized".
Could someone with access to the script results reverse engineer to actual identities? Given the immense amount of personal data traded by data brokers nowadays, probably.Replies: @Houston 1992
https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/race_paper.pdfHere is the Akee et al. paper referenced.
Race Matters: Income Shares, Income Inequality, and Income Mobility for All U.S. Races
https://www.nber.org/papers/w23733
Of course, the racial income differences themselves are primarily due to racial genetic differences. I.e. just a different racial distribution of “competency for obtaining income in America”.
What the chart really does is debunk the 60s era “It’s poverty!”–“racism creates the poverty, poverty creates the crime)–propaganda we’ve had to listen to our whole lives. It–and the general failure of “Civil Rights” and all the other “close the gap” stuff to move the black ball–just forces the minoritarian liars to reach for more opacity, more epicycles. So, the crude “poverty” stuff–that doesn’t do any good for privileged AA babies–has been replaced by more opaque and unfalsifiable “structural racism” and “systemic racism” theories where the racism literally oozes from the American air oppressing minorities.
The whole minoritarian “intellectual” project while more arcane in the details has in the last few decades basically reduced to “white gentiles bad”.
Weren’t you ever lectured by your parents or ever lectured your kid(s) about certain kids being “a bad influence?” Peer group effects are quite strong. First-generation children of immigrants adopt the peer group’s accent, not the parent’s accent so there is some neurolinguistic wiring going on that the first couple of years being cooed over by the parents doesn’t touch. This is also why people will take on an extra $50,000 for a mortgage in a “good school district.”
And that’s the problem that Chetty’s own data is showing that he’s having to tap-dance around: if you want more socio-economic mobility for your black or brown child, your best bet is move to a place with lots of white children for them to grow up around. But we’re running out of white children.
And some calculations by La Griffe du Lion suggest that when a place gets to 20% ghetto Black, their ethos tends to take over; so implementation of the Chetty plan is going to be plenty problematic in the future.Replies: @res
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Judith RIch Harris' thesis was that parental influence was close to nil.Replies: @FPD72
I have a relative married to an economist at one of those 2-point universities.
Both of their kids are majoring in econ and math.
Hiring AAs is like paying the Dane gelt – it never ends.
Plus they need frequent naps.
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
There is zero evidence that black kids benefit from going to school with white kids. It’s actually the other way around. Too many black kids make a school worse for everyone. I have receipts.
Raj Chetty and Bill Ackman and economics professors and globalizer billionaires and globalizer central banker shysters are clear and present threats to the safety, security and sovereignty of the USA.
Economists are over-educated apes who push wage-reducing open borders mass immigration. Many of the economists now pushing mass immigration have no ancestral connection to the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.
I find it difficult to defend most economists against the charge that the economists are guilty of ethnic animosity towards White Core Americans. Economics professors at Ivy League universities may be the most demented in their hatred towards White Core Americans. I am state university predisposed to my own hatred of the Ivy League universities, so that might color my own opinions.
Limits on trade and immigration are rarely discussed by economists in a positive manner. Limiting immigration would reduce the supply of labor. If the demand for labor stayed the same, it seems that limiting the supply of labor would result in an increase in the price of labor. The price of labor is wages. Limiting immigration would reduce housing costs. Limiting open borders free trade by means of patriotic tariff implementation would boost wages and protect the economic safety, security and sovereignty of the USA.
Christmas cheer says I should say something nice about economists and central bankers.
In 2015, The Then Bank Of England Boss Canadian Carney Said Mass Immigration Lowers Wages
Some Boob Connected To The Bank Of Canada Says Mass Immigration Leads To Housing Cost Price Inflation
Tweet from 2015:
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
I guess they figure it’s ground breaking because it really only boils down to social engineering through experimentation. Read the groundbreaking papers, it’s sickening. All the mobility goo that infuses it, without trying to understand what some people may really want.
Chetty and his crew would do better to watch old re-runs of the Andy Griffith show or something. This ridiculous idea that everyone actually wants “social mobility”; and just what is that, what does it mean? Why can’t people have social mobility in their own neighborhoods? Is it really practical that everyone goes to college? Well maybe yes, because the country moved all the manufacturing jobs out and we’re to become a “Service Economy”. Call the groundbreaking what it is, Social Engineering For A New Economy. Sickening.
A lot.
AnotherSon had a zero-tuition offer from Wazoo. (Which sure sounds like a zero.) We weren’t hurting for money and he went to UW with the girls. (He’s a bit “country” and Wazoo actually might have been a better experience for him.)
When I was scoutmaster, I had a kid–very sharp, National Merit (i’d bet 780-800 in math)–who, a Lutheran, opted for a decent quality Lutheran school in the upper Midwest. (Seems like it would be a zero on the list.)
In grad school at Texas a couple of my classmates–I’d bet one certainly, maybe both at that bar–had done their UG at Oklahoma State. (Closer? Didn’t like red? Didn’t want to listen to “Boomer Sooner”?)
The “Yale of Jail” effect has pushed kids to try to get into the most prestigious school possible, but there are lots of smart kids across the fruited plain–though admittedly (fertility) fewer than before–who are going to a school that works well for them.
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The “elite school” thing is definitely the lamest part of his “rubric”. Just look at the kids own SATs and GREs for smarts. Some “regressed toward the mean” child of well to do parents who got into one of your “elite” schools and was carried along in some research project isn’t going to deliver you anything
This sounds like a justification for Section 8 housing – except that there are not enough white exurbs to go around.
I wonder if Bill Ackman himself would allow Chetty to be more specific in his findings.
Chetty mined his Phd in fewer than 3 years?
The timestamp worked with the Nerdrotic clip.
Merry Christmas everyone 🙂
Doesn't social science research say that an adolescent's personality is a product of (1) genetics and (2) peer group and that parenting plays very little role. Is this only true of personality or also criminality and SAT scores? I.e., do blacks commit more crime because of (1) genetics or (2) black peers and black culture?
What if you took those same blacks and gave them white peers? Would they end up acting white?
Of course, things could work in reverse also: that is, whites could be influenced by their black peers (due to cultural or genetic reasons).
For example, there's the provocative experiment conducted by Winthrop and Luella Kellogg where they raised their infact son Donald with a chimpanzee named Gua. The hope was to see whether Gua could learn language but instead:That suggests rather ominous things for America's future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole. A followup question would be: is there a specific tipping point, e.g., 50/50, 40/60, 30/70 white-to-non-white where standards go from default white to default non-white.
Also, do whites who grow up in white-only communities/countries show greater differences with blacks than whites who grow up in mixed communities/countries/schools? For example, you might underestimate IQ differences between whites and blacks if you sample whites and blacks attending integrated schools for the same reason that raising human children coeducationally with chimps may tend to suppress human achievement (and/or raising chimp achievement) and thus making the difference between humans and chimps seem less than it really is.
Steve's pointed out that a great crisis in America today is that there's not enough white kids for all of the non-white kids to go to school with and benefit from being around. It would seem, then, that it would be an intitiative of tremendous import for the US government to boost the fertility of white parents so as to give non-whites the majority white schools that they need so as to be about to flourish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_(chimpanzee)Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @Jim Don Bob, @bomag
General rule: things are half genes, half socializing.
Battle here is between those who think both are contributing; and those who think it is all socializing.
Good catch. Maybe there used to be more than 6 annually. Less likely, maybe they are including people who worked for Chetty before things were formalized in the current set-up.
And that's the problem that Chetty's own data is showing that he's having to tap-dance around: if you want more socio-economic mobility for your black or brown child, your best bet is move to a place with lots of white children for them to grow up around. But we're running out of white children.Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco
Thanks, agree.
And some calculations by La Griffe du Lion suggest that when a place gets to 20% ghetto Black, their ethos tends to take over; so implementation of the Chetty plan is going to be plenty problematic in the future.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htmReplies: @bomag
full two points go to alumni of colleges where the math SAT scores of top admitted students were 790 or higher
So at least two admitted students need to get 790 or higher for the college to get the points. I don’t see anything about average, median, or minimum. This allows them to give diverse non-brainiacs a leg up if they graduated from a school that attracted a few brainiacs. It’s AA all the way down.
Chetty’s incarceration graph is for a single day in 2010, so it doesn’t take into account 27-32 y.o. career criminals who are between stays at the big house. What about parolees and released felons? Didn’t he have that data? Too ugly?
That suggests rather ominous things for America’s future as a minority-majority nation and its impact on not just whites, but American culture and standards as a whole.
American demographics are rather - dynamic - so it's hard to predict the future. The Smart Fraction can put up walls, hire bodyguards, pay the grift and occasional ransom, and keep things going despite chaos outside the gates. Do you know there are multi-millionaires and one billionaire in Haiti?
https://moneyinc.com/richest-people-haiti/
BTW, you can look up the top 10 countries with the highest Gini coefficients here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country.
Nine of the ten are African and then there's Brazil. This is a familiar pattern of course.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/the-6-million-mansion-blm-reportedly-bought-with-donated-funds/Replies: @Bill
Or they can leave. Once the Empire no longer has its foot on everyone’s neck, some country will figure out how to skim off our better human capital.
The phenomena that Chetty and others like him repeatedly demonstrate but are determined not to measure is how much political shibboleths around race and diversity distort intellectual honesty.Replies: @ic1000
Arclight, this comment at 2:00 pm GMT is a Reply to yours.
And that's the problem that Chetty's own data is showing that he's having to tap-dance around: if you want more socio-economic mobility for your black or brown child, your best bet is move to a place with lots of white children for them to grow up around. But we're running out of white children.Replies: @bomag, @Art Deco
Peer group effects are quite strong.
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Judith RIch Harris’ thesis was that parental influence was close to nil.
4 Preschool and daycare 10 hours a day
5 Kindergarten and daycare 10 hours a day
6-12 Elementary school and daycare, followed by sports, Scouts, hanging in the neighborhood, etc. 12 hours a day
13-18 School, after school activities, sports, video games, friends, etc. 13 hours a day
Gee, I wonder why peers have more influence than parents in most families. We spend the first 18 years of their lives putting them in the constant company of their peers while at the same time worrying about peer pressure. And yet one of the criticisms of home schooling is the supposed “lack of socialization.”
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”Replies: @deep anonymous, @Anon, @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @kaganovitch
Monks do not reform monasteries.
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Neither did he. He just stole their property and gave it to his friends. (Actually, religious orders do have alternating periods of corruption and reform).
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State legislatures could prescribe regular procedures for choosing boards (say, a postal ballot from among alumni registered to vote in the state in question, supervised by the county board of elections where the main campus is located, assisted by the state board of elections). They do nothing.
She looks pink to me. A pale pink.
How can someone be either “partly white” or “partly male”? It’s like Sasha Cohen saying she’s “half-Christian”.
But not a Biden one. Too male. So we have who Helen Reddy might call “Ketanji Baby”.
Speaking of gender confusion, I know a male Anbu. It’s short for something of four syllables.
MrsDr Chetty’s is short for “Anbukili”, which she shares (first or last?) with this dermatologist in Coimbatore. ( Coimbatore is not to be confused with Coimbra.) She’ll nly set you back ₹200 for the initial consultation.Is “Anbu” the Tamil equivalent of “Chris” or “Pat”?
Nice logo!
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No, that's a thesis offered by Judith Rich Harris (based on literature reviews). She herself never developed the thesis having offered it, because she was an elderly textbook editor, not a researcher in psychology.Replies: @rebel yell
You’re underselling Harris’ work (and adding a little nasty insult with “elderly”. The insult tells us something about you, not her). Pinker says her thesis has held up well, and he has more research credentials to make that judgement than you or I.
this ABSURDY long comment by steve says more about steve’s gasability than chetty’s.
i blame steve’s ethnic group for chetty’s chetty-ing in ‘mer’ca.
economists don’t have fucking LABS!
steve is an AUTISTIC CLOWN SOCIOPATH.
until he recognizes this he will just continue to be an AUTISTIC CLOWN SOCIOPATH.
But you must have read that somewhere ELSE
(Don't worry, we'll let you know when we want to hear back from you about this...)
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”Replies: @deep anonymous, @Anon, @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @kaganovitch
Summers joined a Congo Line
That’s a Freudian slip. The Cuban line dance is the Conga.
Chetty benefits by being a competent user of the fruits of this liberal-brain hack, and perhaps we all benefit inasmuch as at least the money and prestige wasn't counterproductively lavished on black welfare mothers or violent migrants:
He's trolled your tax returns, and come back from the underworld bearing a message of ...
... iSteve? But no one but iSteve readers can see it. And meanwhile Chetty himself claims the message is one of confirming the usual liberal shibboleths ("women and minorities hardest hit") and who's really gonna check the math on all that?
But even more meanwhile, Chetty himself practices the usual liberal hypocrisy: hiring, working, living, and marrying as race-exclusively (and caste-exclusively [exciting new diversity twist!]) as possible. But no worries, Chetty says,This reminds me of the time that I Sobranishly teased a liberal I know about his extremely white choice of mates and neighbors. His response? To hint darkly at sinister outside forces keeping him from living his best (most diverse) life.
Hey, my liberal and Chetty are both "trying to advance equity while constrained by larger forces of homogeneity and elitism"! The Redneck Occupied Government just keeps on keeping them down!Replies: @Muggles, @Colin Wright
My my, there’s your embedded racism right there! For all to see!
You could have written, “to hint brightly at sinister outside forces”.
Of course it must be the same sinister outside forces which indicate a seldom mentioned example of revealed preferences. Of overseas vacation trips to other continents.
Why is Europe always #1? Even with American non Whites? I suspect Africa comes in barely ahead of Antarctica.
How many flights are jam packed with dusky tourists to the Mother Continent each year?
The few tourists who actually visit Africa are usually White, BTW.
Even the supposed “dark forces” don’t want to visit their ancestral homeland.
But as your comment noted, even obvious facts don’t get in the way of self hating White bias.
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
One must figure out which statistics to look at and how to find them. There’s an awful lot of data out there.
Chetty avoids stating certain conclusions yet his analyses point to factors that someone like Steve can say out loud.
One could only hope. Hispanics generally are much more based about Blacks! than your typical upper middle class White kid, steeped in years of indoctrination/self-hate.
I guess SILLY NAME CALLING is a mark of high IQ or something.
But you must have read that somewhere ELSE
(Don’t worry, we’ll let you know when we want to hear back from you about this…)
https://kdcollegeprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/act-vs-sat-popularity-by-state-1024x639-1.jpg
I was feeling a little alienated as a father of lowly ACT test takers while reading this article, but felt better when I read this:.
Unless of course you are using the pre September 9, 2016 definition of the word “deplorable.” Then my feelings are still hurt.Replies: @HammerJack, @ScarletNumber
For one thing, I had no idea about the Carolinas. Is that something new? I can imagine that the ACT has been a beneficiary of the constant attacks on the SAT.
For another, count down America’s largest cities (or metros, if you prefer). How long until we reach one in a red state on that map?
Looks like Phoenix at #13 on the CSA list, then Minneapolis at 16. That’s some real SAT domination.
found the victim with a gunshot wound to an upper extremity
Cop-speak for shot in the arm, I hope, and not the head. At least they named him as a victim instead of just an individual, who could be a perp.
https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/reeves_racegaps_figure001.pngReplies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Arclight
Appreciate your comment. It makes the squawking about using average school math scores short-sighted – like me, they don’t realize it’s actually probably a net add for ‘diverse’ applicants.
All the same, it’s hard to respect Chetty in a lot of ways. He concocts fundamentally dishonest narratives on magic dirt/ZIP codes rather than going down uncomfortable paths in the pursuit of knowledge. Billions of dollars are spent annually by various actors that are steadfastly dedicated to not noticing. What an incredible waste of money and intellectual capital.
“Mothers of black sons — move, right now, as far away from your nephews as possible before they recruit your son, their cousin, to join their street gang. Instead, go move to some white exurb far from your kin”
Worst idea ever, trollboy.
Steve, you need new heroes.Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jim Don Bob
“I can’t think of the word one uses to describe a guy who spends the most amount of time and money in order to discover what is plainly obvious, lie about it, and then collect however many thousands/millions/ in grant money.”
I call them “operators.”
You know…you’re right. Usually one side or the other is absent, either suppressed or overwhelmed.
(Yes, usually it’s the counter-Semites, but I’ve spent enough time on right-wing boards it doesn’t feel that way!)
Wow. That photo of the research team has a gender ratio almost as bad as what we see in White Trashionalist gatherings.
(Yes, usually it's the counter-Semites, but I've spent enough time on right-wing boards it doesn't feel that way!)Replies: @Cagey Beast
I’ve found my comments get put on ice or never appear if I ask one of the “name the Jew” types to be more economical with their accusations and tighten up their claims. I guess I’m being a spoilsport when I coach them like that. Jack D wants to wrassle retards, not dodge rhetorical snipers, so that’s what Steve gives him.
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
I wouldn’t call it “ground breaking work in economics” either. It’s sort of on the cusp of sociology. But still very important get the data.
Theorizing without data, just produces nonsense–the wolf chases the sun across the sky. The entire scientific revolution–and why we sit in nice warm houses with iSteve on our computers–is based on empiricism–the data drives better and better theories.
The West has suffered the last 60+ under the lash of anti-empirical “theorizing”–really just crude assertion–about race, sex, nation … human nature, and gee … what a great run!
OT
A deep dive into the “retreat to the donut shop” phenomenon in Oakland:
https://open.substack.com/pub/public/p/why-have-cops-have-stopped-pulling
I always wondered what the hasbara thought they could possibly accomplish here, of all places. Now I’m wondering if they’re just gathering all the best most-irrefutable rebuttals to their bullshit so they can feed it into some future AI-Super-Hasbara that will find away to convince readers that black is white.
When you look at his team-members, each is
blest with a complexion like peaches
and cream, with no blacks
and few Jills, mostly Jacks;
a Chong might make the grade, but no Cheeches.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
LOL. You’re putting in good work, Des.
I’d tighten it up thus:
Merry Christmas everyone :)Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous, @J.Ross
Hail to a true patrician!
Merry Christmas, HammerJack 🎄
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1736027260723855822
If the SHTF, I wonder if he'll let us in.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Bill Jones, @BB753
No, but we will nuke him from space.
Exactly how does Raj Chetty skewer elitist systems? What does he do that even comes close to that? Why is American journalism distinguished by this flat-out nonsense?
Yet another Siamese Twin shooting? Steve, you got stats on these?
Merry Christmas everyone :)Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous, @J.Ross
1973? Am I reading that correctly?? Holy shit, cut him in half and count his rings!
My persistent suspicion is that Dot-Indians — ever since the British Empire — figure out the rules to the game and play it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it never even occurs to them that they should do anything else. But what they actually believe would be a different matter entirely. For these reasons, I’m reluctant to trust them. Bernie Sanders I would trust. Pat Buchanan I would trust. A Dot-Indian?
Well…no.
Steve, you need new heroes.Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jim Don Bob
To Steve’s credit, he’s been mocking the heck out of Chetty here, and more importantly, on X. Steve’s pretty entertaining at playing “good cop”: address a guy like Chetty who should know better, genuinely compliment him on some stuff he’s done well, and then hit him with his contradictions and ethical failings, ‘in public’.
The point isn’t to get an expected confession from the suspect— it’s for the public to see the data, judge the issue, and witness how different parties spin it. Steve is smart enough to know why someone like Chetty is important, and to bring him into the spotlight. Are you not mildly entertained?
Anyway, Merry Christmas— Mike, Steve, and everyone.
Their staff lives in a ghetto?
Merry Christmas everyone :)Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous, @J.Ross
That’s not white, that’s yellow.
Transsexual too, for all I know. I ain't looking.
Cop-speak for shot in the arm, I hope, and not the head. At least they named him as a victim instead of just an individual, who could be a perp.Replies: @Anonymous
Thank God it wasn’t a white or yellow Tesla or the body count would’ve been higher.
“play Grand Theft Auto rather than commit Grand Theft Auto.“
Lol put that in second printing of “Noticing”
Lol agreed. Perfect
This type of Behavioral Economics is becoming important today as we realize economic success does not lead to successful societies. Amartya Sen, Angus Deaton, Abhijit Banerjee have been awarded Nobels for this type of work.
“After all, why would I lie about what Chetty is digging up? In contrast, why would Chetty obfuscate his Sailerish findings? To avoid being canceled, of course.”
Which came first, the Sailer or the Chetty?
Why does this particular post of Steve’s regarding Chetty’s preach-practicing have a slight whiff of post-new year victory lap? Seriously, this goes far and beyond anything he’s ever written about poor ol’ Malcolm Gladwell’s findings in Blink, or Steven Levitt’s Freakonomics.
And then to go full on saying the quiet parts out loud, a la “Oppenheimer” and the actual J word. The horror, the horror of it all.
“That paper also found that among U.S.-born doctorate holders in those 14 fields, economics Ph.D.s are the least likely to be underrepresented racial and ethnic minorities, the least likely to be first-generation college students, and among the least likely to be women. (Math, engineering, and computer science have fewer female doctorates)”
Any bets that in the US, the total number of white women STEM doctorates greatly exceeds that of black men STEM doctorates? Any takers? Or do we need a Chetty to come along and crunch the numbers for us?
After reading about Chetty’s study on social mobility back a few years ago, I decided to do my own analysis to determine the best states to live and raise a child. I don't have access to a huge amount of "anonymized data" or a team of PHD researchers, but I think analysis holds up reasonably well.
So here’s what I did.
1. I inputted the rates of incarceration, overdose, teen pregnancy, youth deaths, parental incarceration, and youth degree attainment for each state. Each rate was equally weighted and assessed against the national medians. Using these rates, I computed a “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for each state. Higher the "Index," the better the state. I only used rates for the Non-Hispanic White population of each respective state. The data are from 2017, but still relevant.
2. I then inputted the cost-of-living adjusted household income of each state. Again, I only used the income statistics of the Non-Hispanic White population of each respective state. By combining this income statistic with the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” (see point 1), I calculated each state’s “Prosperity Index.”
3. I then repeated steps 1&2 (see above) for the Black population of each state.
The “Pro-Social Behavior Index” is a good indicator of how well the inhabitants of a particular state “behave” themselves. So if you’re a parent with kids (or looking to have kids), a “Pro-Social” state would give you a more family-friendly environment and a better opportunity to raise well-behaved children.
The “Prosperity Index” includes the above behavioral metrics, but also factors in cost-of-living adjusted income. This is a good indicator of which states facilitate both “good behavior” and economic prosperity. For parents who are status-strivers and want to maximize their child’s well-being and financial earnings, this index is a good tool for determining where they could settle.
Here’s the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for Non-Hispanic White Americans.
https://imgur.com/a/tE0WLz8
Here’s the “Prosperity Index” for Non-Hispanic White Americans.
https://imgur.com/a/fK05x7B
Here’s the “Pro-Social Behavior Index” for Black Americans.
https://imgur.com/a/qyIm00a
Here’s the “Prosperity Index” for Black Americans.
https://imgur.com/a/MPQM8t7
There's a much larger discussion below this. Click on the "MORE" tag to see more.
For Non-Hispanic Whites, Minnesota does extremely well. For both Non-Hispanic Whites and Blacks, West Virginia does very poorly.
It seems like the Upper Midwest, the Northeast, and California are comparatively good places for Non-Hispanic Whites. Given the high cost of living and concentration of economic activity, it’s not surprising that the Northeast and California do well. It’s more impressive that the Upper Midwest, which is relatively affordable and more low-key, is such a strong performer. That region seems to be doing something right.
Appalachia, the Deep South, the Ozarks, parts of the Southwest, and some of the backwater states do poorly. I’d assume that’s because these areas tend to get drained of their talented and enterprising people. The opioid epidemic has hit many of these areas pretty hard too.
According to Chetty’s Map, young working-class Non-Hispanic White Males do well in the Upper Midwest and Mountain states. Texas and, interestingly, Louisiana are very strong performers too. Part of California, the Northeast, and the Southwest perform decently. They do poorly in the Southeast (especially Appalachia) and much of the Greater Rust Belt.
Chetty thinks that working-class young Black males do poorly in the Rustbelt, California’s Central Valley, and Florida.
As Steve Sailer pointed out, some of this is probably due to boom/bust cycles. These cycles especially affect the wages of younger blue collar men in resource extraction industries. This probably accounts for why oil-rich Texas does so well for Non-Hispanic White men.
However, even with the boom/bust cycles, my analysis is that the Upper Midwest is a genuinely good place for Non-Hispanic White families and young blue collar White men. California and the Northeast are pricier, but can be adequate if you find the right economic niche (like a good union job). The Southeast (outside of major metros like Atlanta and Charlotte) seems comparatively like a poor choice.
I also developed a new index called the “Youth Behavior Index.” This index is a composite of the following metrics: incarceration rate, teen pregnancy rate, youth death rate, and youth college attainment rate. This is a good indicator of how well the youth in a particular state are “behaving” themselves.
The state-level teen pregnancy rate, youth death rate, and youth college attainment rate are all measurements of the behavioral performance of the youth of the state. Incarceration impacts people of all ages, but primarily it affects younger people. So the incarceration rate is another good indicator of whether youths are exhibiting anti-social behaviors.
I developed a “Youth Behavior Index” for both Non-Hispanic White youths and Black youths.
https://imgur.com/a/OyVr16e
https://imgur.com/a/SsHnByp
NH White youths exhibit very pro-social behavior in New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. The Northeast, Upper Midwest, and California tend to have pro-social NH White youths.
Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Oklahoma are the bottom-ranking states for NH Whites.
The trends are less clear for Blacks because many states (which have an asterisk next to them in the above chart) have limited data. However, it seems like the Northeast is doing well with its Black youth population.
I should caution this analysis holds for the pre-2020 era. Post-2020, there have been significant volatility and population shifts. It's also more difficult to gather reliable data now.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks.
Look at all the “community involvement” colleges have to…… drive undesirables away from the school.
Chetty benefits by being a competent user of the fruits of this liberal-brain hack, and perhaps we all benefit inasmuch as at least the money and prestige wasn't counterproductively lavished on black welfare mothers or violent migrants:
He's trolled your tax returns, and come back from the underworld bearing a message of ...
... iSteve? But no one but iSteve readers can see it. And meanwhile Chetty himself claims the message is one of confirming the usual liberal shibboleths ("women and minorities hardest hit") and who's really gonna check the math on all that?
But even more meanwhile, Chetty himself practices the usual liberal hypocrisy: hiring, working, living, and marrying as race-exclusively (and caste-exclusively [exciting new diversity twist!]) as possible. But no worries, Chetty says,This reminds me of the time that I Sobranishly teased a liberal I know about his extremely white choice of mates and neighbors. His response? To hint darkly at sinister outside forces keeping him from living his best (most diverse) life.
Hey, my liberal and Chetty are both "trying to advance equity while constrained by larger forces of homogeneity and elitism"! The Redneck Occupied Government just keeps on keeping them down!Replies: @Muggles, @Colin Wright
You’ll like this. Back in the day, I ran a one-truck moving operation in the San Francisco Bay Area — a liberal homeland if there ever was one.
I used to track everything connected with the business — including tips. I had a black helper for a year or so. He was excellent — but all the helpers I retained for any length of time were excellent.
Anthony averaged almost exactly twice the average tips that my white helpers did. It was striking.
Because it even works on old rural white men!
https://youtu.be/Lfxo4Ls9fbc?si=VysXJu2bFPsPNoneReplies: @Colin Wright
Another example: MIT is seeking candidates for professorships in aerospace engineering. The opportunity posting has, at the bottom, the usual boiler plate statement that MIT will not discriminate by race, etc. But the body of the posting requires candidates to submit a statement on how they will advance DIE goals. In other word, trust us, we will not discriminate by race, but you must join us in groveling before a pile of DIE pseudointellectual claptrap, which strongly implies discrimination by race.
A phrase of Harry Tudor’s springs to mind: “Monks do not reform monasteries.”Replies: @deep anonymous, @Anon, @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @kaganovitch
He was alone in supporting Charlene Gay. The rest of them supported Claudine Gay.
Charlene Gay: the Mycroft Holmes of the Haitian elite!
AnotherSon had a zero-tuition offer from Wazoo. (Which sure sounds like a zero.) We weren't hurting for money and he went to UW with the girls. (He's a bit "country" and Wazoo actually might have been a better experience for him.)
When I was scoutmaster, I had a kid--very sharp, National Merit (i'd bet 780-800 in math)--who, a Lutheran, opted for a decent quality Lutheran school in the upper Midwest. (Seems like it would be a zero on the list.)
In grad school at Texas a couple of my classmates--I'd bet one certainly, maybe both at that bar--had done their UG at Oklahoma State. (Closer? Didn't like red? Didn't want to listen to "Boomer Sooner"?)
The "Yale of Jail" effect has pushed kids to try to get into the most prestigious school possible, but there are lots of smart kids across the fruited plain--though admittedly (fertility) fewer than before--who are going to a school that works well for them.
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The "elite school" thing is definitely the lamest part of his "rubric". Just look at the kids own SATs and GREs for smarts. Some "regressed toward the mean" child of well to do parents who got into one of your "elite" schools and was carried along in some research project isn't going to deliver you anythingReplies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch
Yeah, but then you can’t put a thumb on the scale for Blacks/Latinos. This is the equivalent of the admitting top %1 of their high school class scam which allows you to smuggle in special pets.
AnotherSon had a zero-tuition offer from Wazoo. (Which sure sounds like a zero.) We weren't hurting for money and he went to UW with the girls. (He's a bit "country" and Wazoo actually might have been a better experience for him.)
When I was scoutmaster, I had a kid--very sharp, National Merit (i'd bet 780-800 in math)--who, a Lutheran, opted for a decent quality Lutheran school in the upper Midwest. (Seems like it would be a zero on the list.)
In grad school at Texas a couple of my classmates--I'd bet one certainly, maybe both at that bar--had done their UG at Oklahoma State. (Closer? Didn't like red? Didn't want to listen to "Boomer Sooner"?)
The "Yale of Jail" effect has pushed kids to try to get into the most prestigious school possible, but there are lots of smart kids across the fruited plain--though admittedly (fertility) fewer than before--who are going to a school that works well for them.
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The "elite school" thing is definitely the lamest part of his "rubric". Just look at the kids own SATs and GREs for smarts. Some "regressed toward the mean" child of well to do parents who got into one of your "elite" schools and was carried along in some research project isn't going to deliver you anythingReplies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch
Indeed so, lots of very sharp Orthodox Jewish kids go to crap schools like Touro or CUNY. One of my nieces who had a 790 Math SAT attended Brooklyn College.
https://kdcollegeprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/act-vs-sat-popularity-by-state-1024x639-1.jpg
I was feeling a little alienated as a father of lowly ACT test takers while reading this article, but felt better when I read this:.
Unless of course you are using the pre September 9, 2016 definition of the word “deplorable.” Then my feelings are still hurt.Replies: @HammerJack, @ScarletNumber
You sound like one of those dopes who think that land should vote. Compare the population of the SAT states to the population of the ACT states.
But in my hick, simple minded, backwoods, inbred, redneck, hillbilly, trailer trash, methhead, possum eating school I was taught that when rounding a number, “5” was the breaking point of rounding up.
Forest/trees
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1736027260723855822
If the SHTF, I wonder if he'll let us in.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Bill Jones, @BB753
At least he’s finally building something worthwhile.
Which state mines the most coal? This seems to be an important indicator for many. What it might indicate I don’t know.
Thanks and Merry Christmas the you as well!
I used to track everything connected with the business -- including tips. I had a black helper for a year or so. He was excellent -- but all the helpers I retained for any length of time were excellent.
Anthony averaged almost exactly twice the average tips that my white helpers did. It was striking.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Almost Missouri
Did he employ the subtle but effective “I’ll give you the “rough trade”” angle on relocating hipsters?
Because it even works on old rural white men!
He was fine when he lived with his grandfather. Then he moved in with his girlfriend and her mother -- and all of sudden he was always falling asleep in the truck and dragging his tail while working. I tried getting him to reform, but eventually just stopped using him.
Steve, you need new heroes.Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jim Don Bob
Grifter
In my previous comment I said 1/2 the college bound h.s. seniors took the ACT. In 2022 45% took the ACT versus 55% for the SAT. Not quite 1/2. So I exaggerated to emphasize a point.
But in my hick, simple minded, backwoods, inbred, redneck, hillbilly, trailer trash, methhead, possum eating school I was taught that when rounding a number, “5” was the breaking point of rounding up.
Forest/trees
Surely, economics, if that subject has any value at all, should be all about theorizing and most crucially *identifying* the root causes of growth in productivity, in order that successful policy is implemented. Every thing else is merely trash.Replies: @Peter Johnson, @SFG, @LaraCraft339, @Frau Katze, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous
Well, put it this way:
One piece of speculative and empirical work in economics which really grabbed my attention and made me think was a chart I saw, many years ago, which displayed a clear time lag correlation between the global oil price and the rate of economic growth in western Europe in the post 1945 time period.
Basically, you had the holy grail of economics in a box.
The implication is that the unprecedented surge in living standards from 1945 to 1970 was solely due cheap and abundant energy – and the ingenuity which put that energy to use in a myriad of industrial applications.
Everything else is for the birds.
And that line of reasoning got me thinking about the immense potential of nuclear energy – and the abject failure of its exploitation, the lack of vision, boldness etc. On that note, the HTGR reactors, being developed by China, fascinate me with their potential to instigate a super abundance of cheap energy.
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Judith RIch Harris' thesis was that parental influence was close to nil.Replies: @FPD72
0-3 Daycare 10 hours a day
4 Preschool and daycare 10 hours a day
5 Kindergarten and daycare 10 hours a day
6-12 Elementary school and daycare, followed by sports, Scouts, hanging in the neighborhood, etc. 12 hours a day
13-18 School, after school activities, sports, video games, friends, etc. 13 hours a day
Gee, I wonder why peers have more influence than parents in most families. We spend the first 18 years of their lives putting them in the constant company of their peers while at the same time worrying about peer pressure. And yet one of the criticisms of home schooling is the supposed “lack of socialization.”
I used to track everything connected with the business -- including tips. I had a black helper for a year or so. He was excellent -- but all the helpers I retained for any length of time were excellent.
Anthony averaged almost exactly twice the average tips that my white helpers did. It was striking.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Almost Missouri
Only double?
Haven’t they heard of reparations?
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Rules for Radicals #4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
I figured it was because people were so struck by a black working hard. It was really very racist.
Land does vote, when you need to eat … or fight.
Jews and Asians are overrepresented relative to their share of the overall US population - Jews substantially more so than Asians. Jews are, according to Unz's analysis, also substantially overrepresented with respect to merit. Asians, on the other hand, are probably a bit underrepresented with respect to merit.
Blacks and Hispanics are roughly fairly represented with respect to their overall share of the US population, but are both grossly overrepresented with respect to merit (blacks especially so).
White gentiles are underrepresented with respect to *both* their share of the population *and* merit, and grossly underrepresented with respect to merit.
Generally speaking, Jews have benefited the most under the current system, blacks the second most and Hispanics the third most. White gentiles are hurt by far the most and Asians the second most.
Notably, if you were to order groups with respect to intersectional pokemon points in society in general, the elite universities perfectly reflect the degree to which groups are generally favored/disfavored:
Whites being heavily disfavored
Asians arguably slightly favored/disfavored depending on the issue
Hispanics moderated favored
Blacks heavily favored (as the Jews' favorite pets/golems)
Jews very heavily favored
Omitted (being on another dimension) are LGBT who are also favored. So, it's fair to ask a question like, not only "how overrepresented are LGBT?" but also "what fraction of white gentile males *specifically* are LGBT?" It may well be some huge fraction - like fully half of them are. This raises another question: how many conservative, non-LGBT white Christian males are there at elite universities who aren't legacy admissions (i.e., who actually got in on merit)? A century ago they would have been the majority but today they are, presumably, vanishingly few in number.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Beavertales
A while back, Steve Hsu had an anonymous recent Harvard grad on his podcast to give the inside story of contemporary life at Harvard. The grad was white, well spoken, gentile, and vaguely kinda sorta conservative/libertarian, which I think is why Steve invited him on. It was reasonably interesting, but hanging over the whole conversation was the question, “How did this guy get in?”
Finally, Steve asks him this question more or less directly, to which the grad responds opaquely that he thought it had something to do with his essay, and admits he knew other equally qualified applicants of similar background to him who were rejected, so he guesses “luck” matters too. Since Steve doesn’t want to dox him or probe too deeply, he leaves it at that and moves along.
A few minutes later, responding to a separate subject, the grad explains a background detail: “So, I’m gay.”
Bingo. Mystery solved. “Luck” indeed.
Half LGBT? Probably more like 3/4. And the other 1/4 said they were to get in. Harvard only accepts buckbroken whites.
https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/harvard-veritas-interview-with-a-recent-graduate-anonymous-18
How does one tie anonymized IRS data to race?
No race in IRS data...maybe one could tie SSNs somehow, but I'm assuming SSNs would be redacted out...Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res
Good question.
The IRS data is probably not “anonymized” in the sense you’re thinking. Chettyists probably use scripts to match IRS names and addresses to Census race records. Chetty then retains the results of these scripts with a serial number rather than a name, so that is “anonymized”.
Could someone with access to the script results reverse engineer to actual identities? Given the immense amount of personal data traded by data brokers nowadays, probably.
Fortunately , Harvard protects data well , and anyways Chetty would tell us if a data breach had occurred
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1736027260723855822
If the SHTF, I wonder if he'll let us in.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Bill Jones, @BB753
A few years back, someone( can’t remember who or where it was published)wrote an interesting article comparing our elites now to the industrial “robber barons” for all their faults Carnegie and the like built libraries, universities, theaters and museums for people. They left tangible, material goods people could use that will function today. They intersected with reality, the here and now.
The contemporary oligarchs seek to escape the material world either to virtual fantasy land like Meta or outer space. A century from now their contributions will not even exist on earth while the buildings of the industrialists will continue to be used.
The bunker is just another way to escape the consequences of his actions like the perpetual toddler he is.
Sioux County was the stomping grounds of the paternal line of my family before they mostly headed for California. They are mostly good people but their religious orientation is deplorable: Christian Zionism with John Hagee as their holy prophet. Christians in support of the enemies of the human race, you might say.
Transracial Tiny Duck. It’s yellow but identifies as white.
Transsexual too, for all I know. I ain’t looking.
The IRS data is probably not "anonymized" in the sense you're thinking. Chettyists probably use scripts to match IRS names and addresses to Census race records. Chetty then retains the results of these scripts with a serial number rather than a name, so that is "anonymized".
Could someone with access to the script results reverse engineer to actual identities? Given the immense amount of personal data traded by data brokers nowadays, probably.Replies: @Houston 1992
I would imagine that many intel agencies from China to Moscow would love to gain access to Cherry’s data.
Fortunately , Harvard protects data well , and anyways Chetty would tell us if a data breach had occurred
Just the most recent example of the Indian maharaja attitudes toward their underlings (Wayfair CEO in this case):
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wayfair-ceo-employees-longer-hours-222538718.html
Steve is content with his niche. He is a 100 IQ blogger catering to an 80 IQ audience. There is nothing wrong with that.
Remember what the true purpose of this website is.
Because it even works on old rural white men!
https://youtu.be/Lfxo4Ls9fbc?si=VysXJu2bFPsPNoneReplies: @Colin Wright
No…Anthony was just this big, ugly black kid who worked hard — and who was actually pretty sharp, blackness notwithstanding. If there was a mean bone in his body, I never noticed it.
He was fine when he lived with his grandfather. Then he moved in with his girlfriend and her mother — and all of sudden he was always falling asleep in the truck and dragging his tail while working. I tried getting him to reform, but eventually just stopped using him.
That was the average. It may have been much higher for some — same as for whites for others.
I figured it was because people were so struck by a black working hard. It was really very racist.
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1736027260723855822
If the SHTF, I wonder if he'll let us in.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Bill Jones, @BB753
If the SHTF, I wonder if his security detail will let him in?
https://youtu.be/MD53hwAN5DYReplies: @ATBOTL
Thomm is an Indian anti-white moron. Indians living in the West are a cancer.
Steve speaks loudly and clearly into the telephone divulging all required details to complete the transaction.That night: Steve sleeps a fulfilled sleep, knowing he completed the task required and did it with due diligence that only a White man can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhkbDMISl8Replies: @Lurker
I wish Sailer told me about this scene, I'd fucken watch the thing!Replies: @Lurker
How does one tie anonymized IRS data to race?
No race in IRS data...maybe one could tie SSNs somehow, but I'm assuming SSNs would be redacted out...Replies: @Almost Missouri, @res
I think Almost Missouri is on target in his reply. Here is a description from the linked paper.
https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/race_paper.pdf
Here is the Akee et al. paper referenced.
Race Matters: Income Shares, Income Inequality, and Income Mobility for All U.S. Races
https://www.nber.org/papers/w23733
And some calculations by La Griffe du Lion suggest that when a place gets to 20% ghetto Black, their ethos tends to take over; so implementation of the Chetty plan is going to be plenty problematic in the future.Replies: @res
Thanks. This post, or did you have another in mind?
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm
Wasn’t such stuff being celebrated as Protestant Work Ethic in another era? Now all those crafty Asians have stolen that away from us and we don’t have much left!
Literally the stock image of the Indian ruling class for all of history is laziness rewarded.
I still think he should stick to money and banking and let the sociologists sort out the quality of life issues. It also comes across more as actuarial science than economics. Frankly, the research seems to vascillate between common sense in statistical form and glib interpretations of results.
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1736027260723855822
If the SHTF, I wonder if he'll let us in.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @duncsbaby, @Thea, @Bill Jones, @BB753
I don’t believe an island is the best place to build an underground bunker, Zuck!
LMAO!
I wish Sailer told me about this scene, I’d fucken watch the thing!
Jews and Asians are overrepresented relative to their share of the overall US population - Jews substantially more so than Asians. Jews are, according to Unz's analysis, also substantially overrepresented with respect to merit. Asians, on the other hand, are probably a bit underrepresented with respect to merit.
Blacks and Hispanics are roughly fairly represented with respect to their overall share of the US population, but are both grossly overrepresented with respect to merit (blacks especially so).
White gentiles are underrepresented with respect to *both* their share of the population *and* merit, and grossly underrepresented with respect to merit.
Generally speaking, Jews have benefited the most under the current system, blacks the second most and Hispanics the third most. White gentiles are hurt by far the most and Asians the second most.
Notably, if you were to order groups with respect to intersectional pokemon points in society in general, the elite universities perfectly reflect the degree to which groups are generally favored/disfavored:
Whites being heavily disfavored
Asians arguably slightly favored/disfavored depending on the issue
Hispanics moderated favored
Blacks heavily favored (as the Jews' favorite pets/golems)
Jews very heavily favored
Omitted (being on another dimension) are LGBT who are also favored. So, it's fair to ask a question like, not only "how overrepresented are LGBT?" but also "what fraction of white gentile males *specifically* are LGBT?" It may well be some huge fraction - like fully half of them are. This raises another question: how many conservative, non-LGBT white Christian males are there at elite universities who aren't legacy admissions (i.e., who actually got in on merit)? A century ago they would have been the majority but today they are, presumably, vanishingly few in number.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Beavertales
This confirms that the White nation which put men in space has imported a non-White professional elite, who will displace White children in the scramble for finite elite opportunities.
Idi Amin reasoned that Africa was for Africans, and a foreign-blooded professional class was a mistake. Whites, who are a competent race, need a foreign elite even less than Uganda.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htmReplies: @bomag
That is the post. Thanks for linking.
I wish Sailer told me about this scene, I'd fucken watch the thing!Replies: @Lurker
Happy Christmas mate!
If you ever visit Oz you've forever got a place at my place or with my kin!
All you need to do is post at Sailer's and say the magic word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMFDfZj_BmE
Drink
Then there’s that pesky volcanic activity.
Also, as long as billionaires keep building beachfront and island houses, we will know that the theoretical rise of the ocean levels due to climate warming is a scam.
So, is this guy on the Epstein Island list?
Your presence here dropped the average IQ here to India level 80? Wow. Just Wow.
Cheers, Lurker, you’re the best mate you’ve stuck through thick and thin.
If you ever visit Oz you’ve forever got a place at my place or with my kin!
All you need to do is post at Sailer’s and say the magic word:
Drink
Which goes to show Zuck is a gullible fool who can be scammed millions by an enterprising contractor. Who sold him on the idea of building a bunker in a volcanic island? What did his IA if consulted, tell him? Go on, Zuck? Did Priscilla have a say?
Also, as long as billionaires keep building beachfront and island houses, we will know that the theoretical rise of the ocean levels due to climate warming is a scam.