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Back on March 9 in Wilkinsburg, PA there was a big slaughter:

Four women, including one who was eight months pregnant, and one man were killed when two gunmen ambushed a cookout in the back yard of a home on Franklin Avenue, according to authorities. Three others were wounded.

Investigators said one shooter with a .40-caliber handgun approached from an alley and began shooting, while another with an AK-47 assault-style rifle fired at partygoers as they attempted to run into the house, where several children were.

More than 40 shell casings were removed from the scene by officers.

The first person punished in this incident, however, was a white lady newscaster. From the NYT last month:

Pittsburgh TV Anchor Is Fired After Racial Facebook Post
By DANIEL VICTOR MARCH 31, 2016

About two weeks after a grisly shooting in a Pittsburgh suburb, Wendy Bell, a local news anchor for WTAE-TV, wrote a public Facebook post that focused in part on finding hope and offering kindness.

But before the offering kindness part, she swerved into racial commentary that led to her being fired on Wednesday.

She was responding to a shooting at a backyard party on March 9 in Wilkinsburg, Pa., that killed five people, including a pregnant woman. No one has been arrested, and the police have not yet publicly identified suspects.

I’ve been waiting around to see whom the police publicly identify as a suspect.

Yet in her Facebook post on March 21, which was later edited and eventually deleted, Ms. Bell played detective in a way that some felt relied on damaging stereotypes.

“You needn’t be a criminal profiler to draw a mental sketch of the killers who broke so many hearts two weeks ago Wednesday,” she wrote. The post continued: “They are young black men, likely in their teens or in their early 20s. They have multiple siblings from multiple fathers and their mothers work multiple jobs. These boys have been in the system before. They’ve grown up there. They know the police. They’ve been arrested.”

In the same post, Ms. Bell mentioned a hard-working, young, black man whom she saw working at a restaurant, praising him in a way that came across as patronizing. “I wonder how long it had been since someone told him he was special,” she wrote. …

Ms. Bell, who joined the station in 1998 and has won 21 regional Emmy Awards, apologized last week on her Facebook account, which has since been deleted. “I now understand that some of the words I chose were insensitive and could be viewed as racist,” she wrote. “I regret offending anyone. I’m truly sorry.”

But on Wednesday, she told The Associated Press that she didn’t get a “fair shake” and argued that people’s focus should be on “African-Americans being killed by other African-Americans.”

“It makes me sick,” she said. “What matters is what’s going on in America, and it is the death of black people in this country.”

She continued: “I live next to three war-torn communities in the city of Pittsburgh, that I love dearly. My stories, they struck a nerve. They touched people, but it’s not enough. More needs to be done. The problem needs to be addressed.”

The police finally announced this week they’ve detained a single suspect (although there were at least two shooters). The Pittsburgh DA announced:

“At a bond hearing this morning on a case involving drug and weapons charges against Robert Thomas, it was revealed through statements by both prosecution and defense counsel that Thomas is considered a suspect in the March 9 shootings in Wilkinsburg. That information was then further confirmed through testimony from an Allegheny County homicide detective. Following our argument that we consider Thomas a flight risk and a danger to the community based on his previous record and the drug and weapons charges that he currently faces, Judge (David) Cashman agreed with our assessment and denied bond.”

We spend a lot of time patting ourselves on the back over how science is all about making accurate predictions. But we seem to get especially mad at people the more accurate their predictions.

 
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  1. “…neglecting valid stereotypes inevitably results in suboptimal judgments… while satisfying to the soul and politically correct, [it] is not scientifically defensible.”

    –Daniel Kahneman, Nobel laureate, in Thinking, Fast and Slow, chapter 16

    https://chrisnonymous.tumblr.com/post/141260850894/stereotyping-is-a-bad-word-in-our-culture

  2. We’re supposed to be worried about black lives being lost, when the black population is, net, growing.

    We’re supposed to celebrate the white population shrinking.

    We’re supposed.

  3. “What matters is what’s going on in America, and it is the death of black people in this country.” Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die? Where does this “black people are the most important people in the world” point of view come from? It is not only black people who suffer from black violence

    • Replies: @tris

    Where does this “black people are the most important people in the world” point of view come from?
     
    Soros
    , @Jefferson
    "It is not only black people who suffer from black violence"

    Just go to Youtube, where you can find plenty examples of Black violence towards Whites and Asians.
    , @AnotherDad

    Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die?
     
    Yeah, count me as someone who has little sympathy anymore when these "concerned" nice white liberals get eaten by the more vociferous (and more evil) lefty agitators.

    My sympathy supply has simply dried up. I realize it sucks to be a decent black person surrounding by morons. But hey, you had your chance to push back against this tide of excuse making and most of them never did.

    But i'm even more disgusted by these whites who've elevated black people to some sort of sacramental tokens that it's our job to worry about. This for people a people who are serial screwups, express racial hostility to whites and physically attack us! The correct response is indifference--to outright hostility when they are messing with us. Show some self-respect and stop pandering to these people and treating them like gods to be appeased. Who cares what happens to them.

    ~~~

    My sympathy supply now is solely reserved for my kids--and by extension other decent white people--trying to find decent BLM-free places to live good lives and enjoy family life.
  4. this will go on as long as the elite are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, regardless if their motive is ideology, humanism or nefarious

  5. @Erik Sieven
    “What matters is what’s going on in America, and it is the death of black people in this country.” Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die? Where does this "black people are the most important people in the world" point of view come from? It is not only black people who suffer from black violence

    Where does this “black people are the most important people in the world” point of view come from?

    Soros

  6. Think a bit more game theory-y about this. There’s a limited amount of hours in the day, so to maximize efficiency, the greatest amount of effort should be expended on people who get it right.

    That’s why you never see anybody getting really angry at hollow earth or reptilian overlords believers.

    • Replies: @another fred

    That’s why you never see anybody getting really angry at hollow earth or reptilian overlords believers.
     
    Good one.
  7. @Erik Sieven
    “What matters is what’s going on in America, and it is the death of black people in this country.” Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die? Where does this "black people are the most important people in the world" point of view come from? It is not only black people who suffer from black violence

    “It is not only black people who suffer from black violence”

    Just go to Youtube, where you can find plenty examples of Black violence towards Whites and Asians.

  8. In 2016, noticing Black criminality has become way more taboo than asking people how much money they make per year.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Also noticing how every liberal with resources moves as far away from blacks as possible. I wonder how much money is wasted in moving to "better neighborhoods" with "good schools."
    , @Pseudonymous
    It's gotten worse lately but it's been around a long time. I remember reading somewhere about the social shunning that journalist Amity Shlaes recieved for writing about these things 20 years ago. We've moved from shunning to firing. Hopefully it won't progress to burning.
  9. The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don’t seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us.
     
    Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts.
    , @Jefferson
    "Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers."

    There is a reason why there are no Cracker Barrels in Los Angeles and New York City. It is seen as the Larry The Cable Guy of restaurant chains. In the eyes of the Left, it is not sophisticated like Starbucks and Chipotle.
    , @tris
    its all about who shouts loudest and has the biggest stick. who is unmentionable and always harping about racism and anti-semitism? that's who has the biggest stick.
    , @27 year old
    Being boycotted by people who have no money isn't much of a threat.

    I think Facebook, Twitter, etc suppress Conservative boycott movements on their networks.

    And the old media doesn't report on them except to say that there are some hate filled angry people who are mad about a biracial family on the Cheerios commercial and don't they know it's the current year?
    , @Threecranes
    And (speaking from experience, having been both a bleeding heart Liberal and now a toe-dipping conservative) the truth is, is that Liberals are much more offensive, brash, mannerless and rude because they know (deep in their bleeding hearts) that conservatives are too civilized, well-mannered and restrained to lash back at them when they transgress boundaries of good taste, personal rights and decorum.

    Liberals rely on conservative's sense of propriety to restrain them even while liberals flaunt their outrageousness, unconventionality and revolutionary spirit. It's what makes them bold radicals, edgy and chic. That's why Che tee-shirts still sell and Castro is all the rage (fifty years after?--enough already).

    Of course, without the doughty work of conventional conservatives, liberals wouldn't have any of the modern amenities which they take for granted and which enable their dismissive, thoughtless lifestyle.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Judah, Companies and politicians are more terrified of offending teachers who are tasked with molding our children. They treat them like they have a nuclear arsenal. We are losing our children.
    , @Alec Leamas
    Clearly, you have not been acquainted with Mr. Randy Taylor. Now this is how you get the attention of corporate America:

    https://youtu.be/f4RNb3tt0LM

    , @Bill
    Yeah, conservatives need to act even more like lefties, whining and complaining all the time. That'll work.
    , @unpc downunder
    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration. This makes it easier for them they organise boycotts, marches, counter demonstrations etc. In contrast, educated conservatives work in all sorts of jobs and are scattered all over the place (I would to see a scattergram of the readership of this website and compare it with one for the readership of Slate).

    Another problem is that a high percentage of educated conservatives are non-demonstrative, rational introverts who don't like making a spectacle of themselves or causing a fuss. Few educated conservatives do emotional extroversion (not sober anyway).
  10. With all the Marvel comic movies they should do one about Super Predator. It’s right up Genius T’s alley.

  11. @Jefferson
    In 2016, noticing Black criminality has become way more taboo than asking people how much money they make per year.

    Also noticing how every liberal with resources moves as far away from blacks as possible. I wonder how much money is wasted in moving to “better neighborhoods” with “good schools.”

    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    I wonder how much of the economy is tied up in efforts of normal people to avoid unneighborly minorities. It's possible that the anti-discrimination laws of the 50s and 60s caused the largest slowly rolling economic (and social, and environmental) disaster in US history.
  12. By way of contrast as to what actually happened, imagine if she had said the atrocity was likely perpetrated by NRA-belonging white supremacist Klansmen (who else could have done such a thing!) determined to intimidate the black community by randon assassinations of its most vulnerable members. Almost ludicrous on its face, but Wendy Bell would still have her job.

    Prediction: if the entire incident doesn’t just disappear down the memory hole, the media will focus not on the perpetrators, but on the source of the weaspons and ammunition involved. Perhaps they can be traced to a white-owned gunshop in a suitably hillbilly/redneck Pennsylvania county. That’s where the real responsibility lies.

    • Agree: Alec Leamas
    • Replies: @Jack D
    If someone had glimpsed the gunman and reported that he was wearing a KKK robe or a police uniform, the fact that 5 blacks were murdered while having a peaceful backyard barbecue would have been national news (at least until it turned out that the initial reports were wrong). Because Black Lives Matter! But because it was fairly likely from the beginning (although unvoiced by anyone except Ms. Bell) that this was probably just the usual dog-bite-man, black on black type of crime, the initial story never made it beyond the local papers until Wendy committed the crime of guessing right. Because some Black Lives Matter more than others. If you are a black killed by another black, your life doesn't actually matter at all, to those who are trying to make political hay.
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us.

    Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    This. Why are "conservatives" trying to conserve a pyramidal corporate structure run by unaccountable political types (and except for owner-operated ones, that's EVERY corporation) who hate them?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts."

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm, and the service is invariably poor.
  14. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    “Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers.”

    There is a reason why there are no Cracker Barrels in Los Angeles and New York City. It is seen as the Larry The Cable Guy of restaurant chains. In the eyes of the Left, it is not sophisticated like Starbucks and Chipotle.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    There are some very close to Chicago.
    , @Pericles
    That reminds me, have you discussed race lately with your Starbucks clerk?
  15. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    its all about who shouts loudest and has the biggest stick. who is unmentionable and always harping about racism and anti-semitism? that’s who has the biggest stick.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    No doubt some are annoying, but many are fighting back against those who are unnaturally obsessed with them.

    Wait, you're talking about Latvians, right? Don't mess with them, trust me.

  16. It’s not the prediction that is wrong it’s what flows from it. Bryant Gumble noted this a few years back when Larry Bird caught flack for saying basketball is a black man’s game. Gumble noted it was wrong because if you concluded black men were good at something, then you could conclude they were also bad at stuff.

    Well… duh.

    So you can’t reliably predict, or profile, these murderers because soon somebody will start to point the finger at the black community’s culture and values that help create these guys. Or maybe even feminism for promoting unwed and single parenthood. We can’t have that now, can we?

    As Bryant Gumble so unironically pointed out: they’re not taking any of the blame.

    Must be a straight white man’s fault.

  17. The political coalition of the left depends entirely on keeping united various groups that really don’t like each other much, so the progressives do everything they can to keep their anger directed at oppressive law-abiding middle class whites. Noticing social ills that can’t be put on this much-hated demographic is verboten.

  18. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Being boycotted by people who have no money isn’t much of a threat.

    I think Facebook, Twitter, etc suppress Conservative boycott movements on their networks.

    And the old media doesn’t report on them except to say that there are some hate filled angry people who are mad about a biracial family on the Cheerios commercial and don’t they know it’s the current year?

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    A lot of people with a little bit of money adds up to a ton of dollars. Most companies will change their tune if they think it's really going to cost them. I'm betting Macy's regrets picking a fight with Donald Trump. Remember what happened to Cracker Barrel:

    The eatery bucked duck-related items after Phil Robertson, the patriarch of the hit reality show, caused a stir with his incendiary remarks about gays and black people.

    But company brass did an about-face on Sunday — re-shelving the goods and apologizing for "offending" any customers. It also shot down the embarrassing script.

    "You flat out told us we were wrong. We listened. Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores. And, we apologize for offending you," officials wrote in a statement posted on its Facebook page.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/cracker-barrel-apologizes-pulling-duck-dynasty-gear-article-1.1558334

    Things aren't hopeless.

  19. @Jefferson
    In 2016, noticing Black criminality has become way more taboo than asking people how much money they make per year.

    It’s gotten worse lately but it’s been around a long time. I remember reading somewhere about the social shunning that journalist Amity Shlaes recieved for writing about these things 20 years ago. We’ve moved from shunning to firing. Hopefully it won’t progress to burning.

  20. I find it astonishing that in this day and age a woman working in the media could be so tone deaf to how her words would be received. Did her (foolish) sincerity blind her? Had someone else written those words she probably would have been outraged by them.

    Incredible lack of awareness.

    • Replies: @Bill
    She reads words off a teleprompter for a living. Why should she be aware of anything?
    , @NOTA
    Yeah, she was totally askin for it, wearing that miniskirt and all....
  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve been waiting around to see whom the police publicly identify as a suspect

    Were you not 99% sure what happened? It had gang violence/revenge killing written all over it. You know, there were survivors. If one of them were to tell that the shooters were white, it would be national news within seconds. Instead, we had this:

    “Mr. Moffatt said no suspects had been identified. “You have an unsolved case; everyone’s a person of interest,” he said, adding that he believed the gunmen could still be in the area. Two of the three people wounded in the attack, both men, were in critical condition, officials said. The third victim, a woman, was treated at a hospital and released.”

    This tells more than enough to know that the assailants were blacks.

    • Replies: @Discordiax
    "Were you not 99% sure what happened?" That's a good enough standard of proof for you, Mr. Anonymous Commenter, but Sailer actually puts his name on this stuff. So forgive him for requiring more information before he says something that could turn out to be both *rayciss* and factually incorrect.

    Yes, you or I, from the comfort of our anonymity, or Sailer in the privacy of his own skull, can make a conclusion based on probabilities. But the costs of being wrong in private, or anonymously, does not include being subjected to a Two Minute Hate on grounds where you're factually incorrect.

    I'm growing quite resentful of anonymous commenters here challenging Sailer's courage. His name is on what he posts. Which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for you or I.
  22. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    And (speaking from experience, having been both a bleeding heart Liberal and now a toe-dipping conservative) the truth is, is that Liberals are much more offensive, brash, mannerless and rude because they know (deep in their bleeding hearts) that conservatives are too civilized, well-mannered and restrained to lash back at them when they transgress boundaries of good taste, personal rights and decorum.

    Liberals rely on conservative’s sense of propriety to restrain them even while liberals flaunt their outrageousness, unconventionality and revolutionary spirit. It’s what makes them bold radicals, edgy and chic. That’s why Che tee-shirts still sell and Castro is all the rage (fifty years after?–enough already).

    Of course, without the doughty work of conventional conservatives, liberals wouldn’t have any of the modern amenities which they take for granted and which enable their dismissive, thoughtless lifestyle.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Yes. And that suggests ways in which conservatives can effectively resist. Either start resisting leftoid transgressions forcefully or get entirely out of the way, don't resist at all, egg them on, and let them blow themselves up.
  23. There ought to be a law that anyone who uses the word “racism” to sell an internet essay be required to disclose their residential zip code.

  24. @Anonymous

    Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us.
     
    Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts.

    This. Why are “conservatives” trying to conserve a pyramidal corporate structure run by unaccountable political types (and except for owner-operated ones, that’s EVERY corporation) who hate them?

  25. I saw this a couple of days ago, and the guy at the restaurant that she complimented was a big focus of the story. Interesting contrast.

    As for her post, I’ll merely reference the words of the great Joe Sobran:

    “Nobody really disagreed with me. That, in fact, was the problem. Nothing creates more awkwardness than saying things people can’t afford to admit they agree with. Disagreement is manageable. It’s agreement that wreaks havoc. If people disagree, they’ll debate you. If they secretly agree with something, but are furious with you for saying it, then they’ll try to shut you up by any means necessary.”

  26. She very much deserved to get fired. She earned this. Her post, the edits, the hysterical deleting of critical comments, her sorry, not-sorry apology — these were all symptoms of a sickness. A specifically American aliment that plagues white people; convincing them that their worldviews and opinions and thoughts and feelings are the only ones that matter. When people allude to “White Privilege” and “White Fragility” (and jokingly refer to it with “White Tears”) this is what they’re talking about. The idea that Whiteness is omniscient and inherently superseding. Considering America’s history and present, it’s admittedly understandable why they’d believe that. But understandable is a reason. It is not an excuse. Not today. And a person afflicted with this sickness — especially one who seemed not to even realize it existed in her, and scoffed at the suggestion that it did — is not fit to be a journalist.

    • Replies: @dcite
    I can't tell if you are being facetious. Wendy Bell is mixed race and not white. Sort of like the famous Zimmerman.
  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Yet in her Facebook post on March 21, which was later edited and eventually deleted, Ms. Bell played detective in a way that some felt relied on damaging stereotypes.”

    Oh, now it’s “damaging stereotypes” instead of “dangerous” ones, I guess. It doesn’t matter who actually commits these crimes as long as the American people never allow their thoughts to go to a “dark” place.

    I’ve been wondering what the five to seven teenagers who violently attacked a bus driver in Edina, MN last week look like. The only descriptions I saw of them was that they were teenagers. Well that narrows it down.

  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A recent article about the Minnesota bus driver who was attacked by several teenagers says that a 16-year-old named Etonam Kagni has been charged with third-degree assault in connection with the attack. Apparently surveillance video captured the assault, but I still don’t see any description of the attackers. Maybe the lighting in the video wasn’t very goood.

    Our country is nuts.

    http://kstp.com/news/metro-transit-bus-driver-attacked-teens-edina-etonam-kagni/4095012/

    • Replies: @res
    The same person?
    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/teenage-bike-theft-victims-get-sweet-surprise-from-mpls-cops/
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Etonam Kagni sound Scots-Irish to me.
  29. @Anonymous

    Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us.
     
    Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts.

    “Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts.”

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm, and the service is invariably poor.

    • Replies: @Tracy

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm...
     
    And such small portions :P
  30. Wendy Bell said:

    “They are young black men, likely in their teens or in their early 20s. They have multiple siblings from multiple fathers and their mothers work multiple jobs. These boys have been in the system before. They’ve grown up there. They know the police. They’ve been arrested.”

    Robert Thomas is 27. Maybe he was 26 at the time of the shooting. Close. Otherwise spot on. He definitely has been arrested many times before and knows the police. Did he grow up there? Does he have multiple siblings from multiple fathers? I can’t see the answers to those.

  31. The fact that she won 21 Regional Emmy Awards means that she deprived a worthy black journalist of a chance to be honored. Fired! Serves her right. P.S. This is Pittsburgh, which I thought was safe from this kind of mindless, senseless slaughter.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Yeah, serves her right for being a liberal and for pandering to BLM.
    And for apologizing. Never apologize. The story goes Galileo said under his breath after recanting: "Eppur si muove!"( and yet it moves).
  32. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Judah, Companies and politicians are more terrified of offending teachers who are tasked with molding our children. They treat them like they have a nuclear arsenal. We are losing our children.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    That's why so many home school.
    Home schoolers need to unite and stand against paying property taxes, as 3/4 of it goes to schools.
    If they don't avail themselves of the service, but STILL need to pay for the alternate education of their kids, they shouldn't need to pay. All that $$$ is wasted on teachers and poor results.
  33. TG says:

    People get fired for not doing what the people that employ them want them to do, the truth be damned.

    But as the economy get worse and worse, and we keep shoving more people into this nation, and the prospects of getting a decent job after being fired shrivel up to near zero, the rich will get us to say whatever they want us to say. After all, if we won’t, there are so many other desperate unemployed who will.

    A flooded labor market does not just drive wages down. It gives the rich total social power as well. Which is why they are so in love with open borders, and so afraid of Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Thank you.

    No one ever got fired for being right.

    No one ever got fired for being wrong.

    Any number of people have gotten fired for making their boss look wrong.
    , @Whiskey
    No, the future is the Fighting Side of Me. To quote the late, great Merle Haggard. Economic growth this past month was NEGATIVE, and not even fracking is available now for jobs/money for Whites. The coalition of the fringes (actually the dominant majority, its White men who are the fringe) control all government jobs, not even White women are going to get hired now. A university canceled a performance of the Vagina Monologues because ... it was written by a White woman. Obama apologized for nominating a White man for the Supreme Court.

    Like Janis Joplin sang, Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. With a killer combo of automation/AI/robots, H1 Bs, illegal immigration, and outsourcing, the White middle class is going to be experiencing lots and lots of freedom. And the Fighting Side of Me.

    Already, the AP is using AI to write stories. Cheaper even that part time freelancers. AT BEST the White Middle and Working class will be "freelancers" driving Uber cars, acting as chauffeurs, and probably coaching fairly incompetent AA hires on how to do their jobs. That's about it -- and when people don't have much to lose, social control goes out the window.

    TL:DR -- the future is an Okie from Muskogee. Not some limp wristed NPR-ite with a fabulous hipster life at stake. Or, Trump did not move the Overton Window. It had already been shifted by massive White unemployment and part time freelancer/gig underemployment. Trump just took advantage of it.
  34. Progressives live in a fantasy world where one is not allowed to have prior beliefs. They would make excellent Frequentists.

  35. I’ll have to go counter to the prevailing sentiments and say that I think it’s a huge mistake to make predictions like this one before the facts are in.

    It’s a lose-lose proposition. If it’s true, you gain nothing except a bit of air time. You can make your point much better if you have solid facts behind you concerning the specific case. I emphasize again that you gain nothing for a newscaster to make this sort of prediction in an unsolved case. I am not commenting on the use of probabilities by police, who will of course use the most likely features of the perps to get a list of suspects.

    Once the suspects are known, it is very effective to make these sorts of generalizations.

    If, on the other hand, the prediction is incorrect, it provides lots of ammunition to the critics of racial realism. They point to “false and harmful stereotypes”.

    It’s exactly the same logic for not attributing a horrific killing to Muslims before the facts are known. There is more than enough material for a generalization that Muslims are dangerous, but getting a specific prediction wrong actually harms the case for generalizing the risk of Muslims.

  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    and their mothers work multiple jobs

    That’s an attempt to make those welfare women who have different children with different men seem to be some diligent workers thus evoking sympathy. In reality most don’t work at all or if they do it’s as part timers here and there.

    “I wonder how long it had been since someone told him he was special,” she wrote. …

    That certainly is patronizing and makes me cringe to hear something like that come from some well-meaning but ditzy white person. Blacks have high self-esteem and he’s probably been told he’s wonderful many times.

    More needs to be done. The problem needs to be addressed.”

    Like what?Someone tell this airhead that much has been done already. Whites are not miracle-workers, there is no such thing as white magic. Why are whites more concerned about black lives than blacks themselves are? The only blacks who express concern into media microphones are those race hustlers who have their hands out for yet more money to be sent their way for their phony programs. Otherwise it’s ‘no snitchin’ out there.
    It’s pretty mean for two armed men to set up an ambush and kill four women at a cookout. There’s always a new low being set. The media calls it all ‘gun violence’ instead of what it is and that’s ‘black violence’, the violence of a violent people.

  37. @Buffalo Joe
    The fact that she won 21 Regional Emmy Awards means that she deprived a worthy black journalist of a chance to be honored. Fired! Serves her right. P.S. This is Pittsburgh, which I thought was safe from this kind of mindless, senseless slaughter.

    Yeah, serves her right for being a liberal and for pandering to BLM.
    And for apologizing. Never apologize. The story goes Galileo said under his breath after recanting: “Eppur si muove!”( and yet it moves).

  38. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Clearly, you have not been acquainted with Mr. Randy Taylor. Now this is how you get the attention of corporate America:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That was spot-on.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    On the surface, it may seem that way, but actually thinking through what he says, its not really a very sensible argument.

    He says they eat steak, sausage, and eggs for breakfast, and complains that with 1 oz. less sausage per person he can't feed his family? Come on....

    He should just focus on the fact he's pissed they went from 16 oz. to 12 oz. packages but charged the same price for 12 oz. It may be more convenient to have both package options, but if the 12 oz. size is preferred by more families as # of family members in a household are getting smaller, then I suspect that Jimmy Dean may be unlikely to change.
  39. @Diversity Heretic
    By way of contrast as to what actually happened, imagine if she had said the atrocity was likely perpetrated by NRA-belonging white supremacist Klansmen (who else could have done such a thing!) determined to intimidate the black community by randon assassinations of its most vulnerable members. Almost ludicrous on its face, but Wendy Bell would still have her job.

    Prediction: if the entire incident doesn't just disappear down the memory hole, the media will focus not on the perpetrators, but on the source of the weaspons and ammunition involved. Perhaps they can be traced to a white-owned gunshop in a suitably hillbilly/redneck Pennsylvania county. That's where the real responsibility lies.

    If someone had glimpsed the gunman and reported that he was wearing a KKK robe or a police uniform, the fact that 5 blacks were murdered while having a peaceful backyard barbecue would have been national news (at least until it turned out that the initial reports were wrong). Because Black Lives Matter! But because it was fairly likely from the beginning (although unvoiced by anyone except Ms. Bell) that this was probably just the usual dog-bite-man, black on black type of crime, the initial story never made it beyond the local papers until Wendy committed the crime of guessing right. Because some Black Lives Matter more than others. If you are a black killed by another black, your life doesn’t actually matter at all, to those who are trying to make political hay.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "someone had glimpsed the gunman and reported that he was wearing a KKK robe or a police uniform, the fact that 5 blacks were murdered while having a peaceful backyard barbecue would have been national news"

    Not just KKK robe or police uniform, all it takes is for the suspect to be described as having a Caucasian appearance for it to be national news.
  40. More than anything, this affair is further proof, if needed, of George Orwell’s gift of prophecy.

  41. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Yeah, conservatives need to act even more like lefties, whining and complaining all the time. That’ll work.

  42. @Peterike
    I find it astonishing that in this day and age a woman working in the media could be so tone deaf to how her words would be received. Did her (foolish) sincerity blind her? Had someone else written those words she probably would have been outraged by them.

    Incredible lack of awareness.

    She reads words off a teleprompter for a living. Why should she be aware of anything?

  43. @Threecranes
    And (speaking from experience, having been both a bleeding heart Liberal and now a toe-dipping conservative) the truth is, is that Liberals are much more offensive, brash, mannerless and rude because they know (deep in their bleeding hearts) that conservatives are too civilized, well-mannered and restrained to lash back at them when they transgress boundaries of good taste, personal rights and decorum.

    Liberals rely on conservative's sense of propriety to restrain them even while liberals flaunt their outrageousness, unconventionality and revolutionary spirit. It's what makes them bold radicals, edgy and chic. That's why Che tee-shirts still sell and Castro is all the rage (fifty years after?--enough already).

    Of course, without the doughty work of conventional conservatives, liberals wouldn't have any of the modern amenities which they take for granted and which enable their dismissive, thoughtless lifestyle.

    Yes. And that suggests ways in which conservatives can effectively resist. Either start resisting leftoid transgressions forcefully or get entirely out of the way, don’t resist at all, egg them on, and let them blow themselves up.

  44. @Anonymous
    A recent article about the Minnesota bus driver who was attacked by several teenagers says that a 16-year-old named Etonam Kagni has been charged with third-degree assault in connection with the attack. Apparently surveillance video captured the assault, but I still don't see any description of the attackers. Maybe the lighting in the video wasn't very goood.

    Our country is nuts.

    http://kstp.com/news/metro-transit-bus-driver-attacked-teens-edina-etonam-kagni/4095012/
  45. Don’t care.
    Don’t care.
    Don’t care.
    Don’t care.

    What I await is more David Ruenzel Awards to be given out.

    Nature (in her Natural Selection guise) smiles from ear to ear when some “colorblind” moron so studiously avoids stereotyping that they get themselves killed. Nature also does her Happy Dance when the person hoisting on their own petard is a member of the News Media (a DR Award given to one of the pundit class results in a declaration of National Holiday.)

    Sorry, but if you insist on playing with creatures that have a bite risk multiples of pit bull terriers, you only have yourself to blame for being bitten, and don’t expect me to cry a river for you.

    This goes tenfold for girls who indulge in Virtue Signal Dating activities.

    Unless I’m misinformed, the post-BLM spike in violent crime is largely confined to Those Whose Lives Must Matter So Much. As long as it remains there, I have pop corn to pop, dusting to do, and probably a book to read.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    dc, Love the pit bull comment......now go dust.
    , @Yak-15
    BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50.
  46. @Anonymous
    A recent article about the Minnesota bus driver who was attacked by several teenagers says that a 16-year-old named Etonam Kagni has been charged with third-degree assault in connection with the attack. Apparently surveillance video captured the assault, but I still don't see any description of the attackers. Maybe the lighting in the video wasn't very goood.

    Our country is nuts.

    http://kstp.com/news/metro-transit-bus-driver-attacked-teens-edina-etonam-kagni/4095012/

    Etonam Kagni sound Scots-Irish to me.

  47. @TG
    People get fired for not doing what the people that employ them want them to do, the truth be damned.

    But as the economy get worse and worse, and we keep shoving more people into this nation, and the prospects of getting a decent job after being fired shrivel up to near zero, the rich will get us to say whatever they want us to say. After all, if we won't, there are so many other desperate unemployed who will.

    A flooded labor market does not just drive wages down. It gives the rich total social power as well. Which is why they are so in love with open borders, and so afraid of Donald Trump.

    Thank you.

    No one ever got fired for being right.

    No one ever got fired for being wrong.

    Any number of people have gotten fired for making their boss look wrong.

  48. In related news, it was reported that the lovely UT student was murdered by a “teen.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "In related news, it was reported that the lovely UT student was murdered by a “teen.”

    When it comes rape and murder perpetrators, teen is obviously code word for either Jewish, Amish, or Japanese.
  49. @tris
    its all about who shouts loudest and has the biggest stick. who is unmentionable and always harping about racism and anti-semitism? that's who has the biggest stick.

    No doubt some are annoying, but many are fighting back against those who are unnaturally obsessed with them.

    Wait, you’re talking about Latvians, right? Don’t mess with them, trust me.

  50. @27 year old
    Being boycotted by people who have no money isn't much of a threat.

    I think Facebook, Twitter, etc suppress Conservative boycott movements on their networks.

    And the old media doesn't report on them except to say that there are some hate filled angry people who are mad about a biracial family on the Cheerios commercial and don't they know it's the current year?

    A lot of people with a little bit of money adds up to a ton of dollars. Most companies will change their tune if they think it’s really going to cost them. I’m betting Macy’s regrets picking a fight with Donald Trump. Remember what happened to Cracker Barrel:

    The eatery bucked duck-related items after Phil Robertson, the patriarch of the hit reality show, caused a stir with his incendiary remarks about gays and black people.

    But company brass did an about-face on Sunday — re-shelving the goods and apologizing for “offending” any customers. It also shot down the embarrassing script.

    “You flat out told us we were wrong. We listened. Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores. And, we apologize for offending you,” officials wrote in a statement posted on its Facebook page.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/cracker-barrel-apologizes-pulling-duck-dynasty-gear-article-1.1558334

    Things aren’t hopeless.

  51. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Also noticing how every liberal with resources moves as far away from blacks as possible. I wonder how much money is wasted in moving to "better neighborhoods" with "good schools."

    I wonder how much of the economy is tied up in efforts of normal people to avoid unneighborly minorities. It’s possible that the anti-discrimination laws of the 50s and 60s caused the largest slowly rolling economic (and social, and environmental) disaster in US history.

  52. @Anonymous

    I’ve been waiting around to see whom the police publicly identify as a suspect
     
    Were you not 99% sure what happened? It had gang violence/revenge killing written all over it. You know, there were survivors. If one of them were to tell that the shooters were white, it would be national news within seconds. Instead, we had this:

    "Mr. Moffatt said no suspects had been identified. “You have an unsolved case; everyone’s a person of interest,” he said, adding that he believed the gunmen could still be in the area. Two of the three people wounded in the attack, both men, were in critical condition, officials said. The third victim, a woman, was treated at a hospital and released."

    This tells more than enough to know that the assailants were blacks.

    “Were you not 99% sure what happened?” That’s a good enough standard of proof for you, Mr. Anonymous Commenter, but Sailer actually puts his name on this stuff. So forgive him for requiring more information before he says something that could turn out to be both *rayciss* and factually incorrect.

    Yes, you or I, from the comfort of our anonymity, or Sailer in the privacy of his own skull, can make a conclusion based on probabilities. But the costs of being wrong in private, or anonymously, does not include being subjected to a Two Minute Hate on grounds where you’re factually incorrect.

    I’m growing quite resentful of anonymous commenters here challenging Sailer’s courage. His name is on what he posts. Which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for you or I.

  53. Do You Get Fired for Being Wrong or Right?

    Neither. You get fired for being Incorrect.

  54. @TG
    People get fired for not doing what the people that employ them want them to do, the truth be damned.

    But as the economy get worse and worse, and we keep shoving more people into this nation, and the prospects of getting a decent job after being fired shrivel up to near zero, the rich will get us to say whatever they want us to say. After all, if we won't, there are so many other desperate unemployed who will.

    A flooded labor market does not just drive wages down. It gives the rich total social power as well. Which is why they are so in love with open borders, and so afraid of Donald Trump.

    No, the future is the Fighting Side of Me. To quote the late, great Merle Haggard. Economic growth this past month was NEGATIVE, and not even fracking is available now for jobs/money for Whites. The coalition of the fringes (actually the dominant majority, its White men who are the fringe) control all government jobs, not even White women are going to get hired now. A university canceled a performance of the Vagina Monologues because … it was written by a White woman. Obama apologized for nominating a White man for the Supreme Court.

    Like Janis Joplin sang, Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose. With a killer combo of automation/AI/robots, H1 Bs, illegal immigration, and outsourcing, the White middle class is going to be experiencing lots and lots of freedom. And the Fighting Side of Me.

    Already, the AP is using AI to write stories. Cheaper even that part time freelancers. AT BEST the White Middle and Working class will be “freelancers” driving Uber cars, acting as chauffeurs, and probably coaching fairly incompetent AA hires on how to do their jobs. That’s about it — and when people don’t have much to lose, social control goes out the window.

    TL:DR — the future is an Okie from Muskogee. Not some limp wristed NPR-ite with a fabulous hipster life at stake. Or, Trump did not move the Overton Window. It had already been shifted by massive White unemployment and part time freelancer/gig underemployment. Trump just took advantage of it.

  55. @Buffalo Joe
    Judah, Companies and politicians are more terrified of offending teachers who are tasked with molding our children. They treat them like they have a nuclear arsenal. We are losing our children.

    That’s why so many home school.
    Home schoolers need to unite and stand against paying property taxes, as 3/4 of it goes to schools.
    If they don’t avail themselves of the service, but STILL need to pay for the alternate education of their kids, they shouldn’t need to pay. All that $$$ is wasted on teachers and poor results.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    Most home schoolers probably live in low property tax areas already, and more importantly if they pick that fight, you can bet the retaliation from state and local government will be 1. no more homeschool, 2. CPS takes their kids
  56. Wendy should have never been fired It is a shame that no matter who you are can’t get along with everyone I feel bad for the victims was killed. My girlfriend was murdered Dec 28 1998 & it is still hard. The victims families & friends have to the sorrow of not having their loved ones. But Wendy said nothing wrong & should get her job back Wendy is a good reporter & is very sadly missed

  57. @Peterike
    I find it astonishing that in this day and age a woman working in the media could be so tone deaf to how her words would be received. Did her (foolish) sincerity blind her? Had someone else written those words she probably would have been outraged by them.

    Incredible lack of awareness.

    Yeah, she was totally askin for it, wearing that miniskirt and all….

  58. How dare this woman point out the obvious!!

  59. @dc.sunsets
    Don't care.
    Don't care.
    Don't care.
    Don't care.

    What I await is more David Ruenzel Awards to be given out.

    Nature (in her Natural Selection guise) smiles from ear to ear when some "colorblind" moron so studiously avoids stereotyping that they get themselves killed. Nature also does her Happy Dance when the person hoisting on their own petard is a member of the News Media (a DR Award given to one of the pundit class results in a declaration of National Holiday.)

    Sorry, but if you insist on playing with creatures that have a bite risk multiples of pit bull terriers, you only have yourself to blame for being bitten, and don't expect me to cry a river for you.

    This goes tenfold for girls who indulge in Virtue Signal Dating activities.

    Unless I'm misinformed, the post-BLM spike in violent crime is largely confined to Those Whose Lives Must Matter So Much. As long as it remains there, I have pop corn to pop, dusting to do, and probably a book to read.

    dc, Love the pit bull comment……now go dust.

  60. @Jack D
    If someone had glimpsed the gunman and reported that he was wearing a KKK robe or a police uniform, the fact that 5 blacks were murdered while having a peaceful backyard barbecue would have been national news (at least until it turned out that the initial reports were wrong). Because Black Lives Matter! But because it was fairly likely from the beginning (although unvoiced by anyone except Ms. Bell) that this was probably just the usual dog-bite-man, black on black type of crime, the initial story never made it beyond the local papers until Wendy committed the crime of guessing right. Because some Black Lives Matter more than others. If you are a black killed by another black, your life doesn't actually matter at all, to those who are trying to make political hay.

    “someone had glimpsed the gunman and reported that he was wearing a KKK robe or a police uniform, the fact that 5 blacks were murdered while having a peaceful backyard barbecue would have been national news”

    Not just KKK robe or police uniform, all it takes is for the suspect to be described as having a Caucasian appearance for it to be national news.

  61. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    In related news, it was reported that the lovely UT student was murdered by a "teen."

    “In related news, it was reported that the lovely UT student was murdered by a “teen.”

    When it comes rape and murder perpetrators, teen is obviously code word for either Jewish, Amish, or Japanese.

  62. @Jefferson
    "Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers."

    There is a reason why there are no Cracker Barrels in Los Angeles and New York City. It is seen as the Larry The Cable Guy of restaurant chains. In the eyes of the Left, it is not sophisticated like Starbucks and Chipotle.

    There are some very close to Chicago.

  63. @boogerbently
    That's why so many home school.
    Home schoolers need to unite and stand against paying property taxes, as 3/4 of it goes to schools.
    If they don't avail themselves of the service, but STILL need to pay for the alternate education of their kids, they shouldn't need to pay. All that $$$ is wasted on teachers and poor results.

    Most home schoolers probably live in low property tax areas already, and more importantly if they pick that fight, you can bet the retaliation from state and local government will be 1. no more homeschool, 2. CPS takes their kids

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Homeschooling doesn't threaten the system much, because most parents don't want to homeschool their kids. Think of it as a safety valve--the most unhappy parents who would otherwise have made a nuisance of themselves demanding changes to the local schools can instead, at great personal inconvenience, opt out. Even giving them a tax break wouldn't be a threat to the system.

    Voucher programs are a threat to the system, and not just one that potentially threatens teachers and public schools. If we ever truly decouple where you live from what public school you go to, there are a *lot* of people whose overpriced houses in good school districts will lose half their value overnight.
  64. @Alec Leamas
    Clearly, you have not been acquainted with Mr. Randy Taylor. Now this is how you get the attention of corporate America:

    https://youtu.be/f4RNb3tt0LM

    That was spot-on.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As soon as WTAE faithful viewers realized that WTAE did not have Wendy’s back who’s been a long time dedicated FAN FAVORITE Anchor for 18 yrs is simply pathetic and absurd to say the the very least! Wendy began her post with such compassion & truly heartfelt thoughts for the Mother who had to bury three children & a grandchild & is left to raise her eleven grandchildren. It was apparent she was emotional as she was writing her post from start to finish.
    Wendy shouldn’t have to be reminded that she WE ARE ALL human beings that make mistakes. Being honest when having courage you can easily admit your mistakes, but when you can talk about your mistakes really discuss them that makes you a very wise person, and Wendy is both and so much more! However, it seems many are focusing on the words that they found to be offensive/racist. Shame on Hearst Television/ WtAE, to have made a such a major life altering decision & to have handled as if Wendy is the criminal when in fact THESE SHOOTERS ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS WHO ARE STILL OUT THERE WALKING THE STREETS! WTAE NEEDS Wendy… Wendy DOES NOT NEED WTAE!

  66. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The problem is that companies are terrified of offending liberals, but don't seem the least bit concerned about angering conservatives. Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers. Or NASCAR pushing the gay marriage agenda. Huh? Conservatives need to learn how to be pests and bug the hell out of companies that offend us. Phone calls, boycotts, and protests.

    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration. This makes it easier for them they organise boycotts, marches, counter demonstrations etc. In contrast, educated conservatives work in all sorts of jobs and are scattered all over the place (I would to see a scattergram of the readership of this website and compare it with one for the readership of Slate).

    Another problem is that a high percentage of educated conservatives are non-demonstrative, rational introverts who don’t like making a spectacle of themselves or causing a fuss. Few educated conservatives do emotional extroversion (not sober anyway).

    • Replies: @another fred

    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration...
     
    Liberals are also saying that they have a way for everybody to be happy and prosperous while most conservatives have the brains to know that failure and pain for some is part of the way the world works.

    Religious conservatives have the Bible as testimony that the world is set up that way. Although they preach that if people would just follow the righteous path they could have good lives, the Bible teaches that all will not do so.

    Most secular conservatives accept that people are different and evolution demands failure.

    When bien pensant conservatives like the folks at National Review try to preach that everybody would be well off if they just walked their path most people know that is BS.

    The liberal message, that they have the capacity to make everybody happy is the only one that sells to the masses and the young. It has the added allure that it allows people to blame their failures on bad people.

    The conservative message only sells to the mass market when people are forced by reality to abandon their liberal dreams.

  67. @Mr. Anon
    "Conservatives need to eat breakfast at a local diner, not spend money on corporate breakfasts at Cracker Barrel. Too much money is channeled into corporate pockets for simple things like bacon and eggs breakfasts."

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm, and the service is invariably poor.

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm…

    And such small portions 😛

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "And such small portions"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHwIBR6ivA

  68. @Tracy

    Quite true. Another good reason to dump Cracker Barrel is that they suck. Their food is bland and served luke-warm...
     
    And such small portions :P

    “And such small portions”

  69. “But we seem to get especially mad at people the more accurate their predictions.”

    That’s certainly the picture the media creates, but actually, the “we” is not “us” at all, but only a small vocal minority who is given a media megaphone to project their wishes far beyond what they would otherwise achieve. A healthier society would either ignore that “we” or give them repercussions for their behavior.

  70. @Alec Leamas
    Clearly, you have not been acquainted with Mr. Randy Taylor. Now this is how you get the attention of corporate America:

    https://youtu.be/f4RNb3tt0LM

    On the surface, it may seem that way, but actually thinking through what he says, its not really a very sensible argument.

    He says they eat steak, sausage, and eggs for breakfast, and complains that with 1 oz. less sausage per person he can’t feed his family? Come on….

    He should just focus on the fact he’s pissed they went from 16 oz. to 12 oz. packages but charged the same price for 12 oz. It may be more convenient to have both package options, but if the 12 oz. size is preferred by more families as # of family members in a household are getting smaller, then I suspect that Jimmy Dean may be unlikely to change.

  71. @kihowi
    Think a bit more game theory-y about this. There's a limited amount of hours in the day, so to maximize efficiency, the greatest amount of effort should be expended on people who get it right.

    That's why you never see anybody getting really angry at hollow earth or reptilian overlords believers.

    That’s why you never see anybody getting really angry at hollow earth or reptilian overlords believers.

    Good one.

  72. @27 year old
    Most home schoolers probably live in low property tax areas already, and more importantly if they pick that fight, you can bet the retaliation from state and local government will be 1. no more homeschool, 2. CPS takes their kids

    Homeschooling doesn’t threaten the system much, because most parents don’t want to homeschool their kids. Think of it as a safety valve–the most unhappy parents who would otherwise have made a nuisance of themselves demanding changes to the local schools can instead, at great personal inconvenience, opt out. Even giving them a tax break wouldn’t be a threat to the system.

    Voucher programs are a threat to the system, and not just one that potentially threatens teachers and public schools. If we ever truly decouple where you live from what public school you go to, there are a *lot* of people whose overpriced houses in good school districts will lose half their value overnight.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    Good points. But I doubt if the local officials would see it that way.

    However, this makes me think of something. Is there a SJW movement on that front "decouple where you live from what school you go to"?

    Ignoring vouchers, just something like oh it's racist and blacks should be allowed to just choose to attend rich white schools?
  73. @dc.sunsets
    Don't care.
    Don't care.
    Don't care.
    Don't care.

    What I await is more David Ruenzel Awards to be given out.

    Nature (in her Natural Selection guise) smiles from ear to ear when some "colorblind" moron so studiously avoids stereotyping that they get themselves killed. Nature also does her Happy Dance when the person hoisting on their own petard is a member of the News Media (a DR Award given to one of the pundit class results in a declaration of National Holiday.)

    Sorry, but if you insist on playing with creatures that have a bite risk multiples of pit bull terriers, you only have yourself to blame for being bitten, and don't expect me to cry a river for you.

    This goes tenfold for girls who indulge in Virtue Signal Dating activities.

    Unless I'm misinformed, the post-BLM spike in violent crime is largely confined to Those Whose Lives Must Matter So Much. As long as it remains there, I have pop corn to pop, dusting to do, and probably a book to read.

    BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50."

    BLMBOITAKBAWP

    Black lives matter but only if they are killed by a White person.

    There is a reason why Black Lies Matter does not exist in Jamaica for example, which has one of the highest murder rates in the world. There is no White boogeymen in Jamaica. There are no Jamaican police officers who racially look like Darren Wilson. So no Black homicide deaths in Jamaica can ever be blamed on White people.

    If you go by per capita, way more Black people are murdered in Jamaica than in The United States. Jamaica needs Black Lives Matter way more than The U.S does.

  74. @unpc downunder
    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration. This makes it easier for them they organise boycotts, marches, counter demonstrations etc. In contrast, educated conservatives work in all sorts of jobs and are scattered all over the place (I would to see a scattergram of the readership of this website and compare it with one for the readership of Slate).

    Another problem is that a high percentage of educated conservatives are non-demonstrative, rational introverts who don't like making a spectacle of themselves or causing a fuss. Few educated conservatives do emotional extroversion (not sober anyway).

    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration…

    Liberals are also saying that they have a way for everybody to be happy and prosperous while most conservatives have the brains to know that failure and pain for some is part of the way the world works.

    Religious conservatives have the Bible as testimony that the world is set up that way. Although they preach that if people would just follow the righteous path they could have good lives, the Bible teaches that all will not do so.

    Most secular conservatives accept that people are different and evolution demands failure.

    When bien pensant conservatives like the folks at National Review try to preach that everybody would be well off if they just walked their path most people know that is BS.

    The liberal message, that they have the capacity to make everybody happy is the only one that sells to the masses and the young. It has the added allure that it allows people to blame their failures on bad people.

    The conservative message only sells to the mass market when people are forced by reality to abandon their liberal dreams.

    • Replies: @another fred

    The conservative message only sells to the mass market when people are forced by reality to abandon their liberal dreams.
     
    Or when it is wrapped in enough "feel good" BS.
  75. @another fred

    Liberals are more politically influential that conservatives because of geographic and occupational concentration...
     
    Liberals are also saying that they have a way for everybody to be happy and prosperous while most conservatives have the brains to know that failure and pain for some is part of the way the world works.

    Religious conservatives have the Bible as testimony that the world is set up that way. Although they preach that if people would just follow the righteous path they could have good lives, the Bible teaches that all will not do so.

    Most secular conservatives accept that people are different and evolution demands failure.

    When bien pensant conservatives like the folks at National Review try to preach that everybody would be well off if they just walked their path most people know that is BS.

    The liberal message, that they have the capacity to make everybody happy is the only one that sells to the masses and the young. It has the added allure that it allows people to blame their failures on bad people.

    The conservative message only sells to the mass market when people are forced by reality to abandon their liberal dreams.

    The conservative message only sells to the mass market when people are forced by reality to abandon their liberal dreams.

    Or when it is wrapped in enough “feel good” BS.

  76. @NOTA
    Homeschooling doesn't threaten the system much, because most parents don't want to homeschool their kids. Think of it as a safety valve--the most unhappy parents who would otherwise have made a nuisance of themselves demanding changes to the local schools can instead, at great personal inconvenience, opt out. Even giving them a tax break wouldn't be a threat to the system.

    Voucher programs are a threat to the system, and not just one that potentially threatens teachers and public schools. If we ever truly decouple where you live from what public school you go to, there are a *lot* of people whose overpriced houses in good school districts will lose half their value overnight.

    Good points. But I doubt if the local officials would see it that way.

    However, this makes me think of something. Is there a SJW movement on that front “decouple where you live from what school you go to”?

    Ignoring vouchers, just something like oh it’s racist and blacks should be allowed to just choose to attend rich white schools?

  77. @Yak-15
    BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50.

    “BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50.”

    BLMBOITAKBAWP

    Black lives matter but only if they are killed by a White person.

    There is a reason why Black Lies Matter does not exist in Jamaica for example, which has one of the highest murder rates in the world. There is no White boogeymen in Jamaica. There are no Jamaican police officers who racially look like Darren Wilson. So no Black homicide deaths in Jamaica can ever be blamed on White people.

    If you go by per capita, way more Black people are murdered in Jamaica than in The United States. Jamaica needs Black Lives Matter way more than The U.S does.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    To me this suggests that black communities be policed by black officers. If they shoot one of their own, there's no racism.
  78. The police finally announced this week they’ve detained a single suspect (although there were at least two shooters).

    As I suspected…Amish.

  79. @Tiny Duck
    She very much deserved to get fired. She earned this. Her post, the edits, the hysterical deleting of critical comments, her sorry, not-sorry apology — these were all symptoms of a sickness. A specifically American aliment that plagues white people; convincing them that their worldviews and opinions and thoughts and feelings are the only ones that matter. When people allude to “White Privilege” and “White Fragility” (and jokingly refer to it with “White Tears”) this is what they’re talking about. The idea that Whiteness is omniscient and inherently superseding. Considering America’s history and present, it’s admittedly understandable why they’d believe that. But understandable is a reason. It is not an excuse. Not today. And a person afflicted with this sickness — especially one who seemed not to even realize it existed in her, and scoffed at the suggestion that it did — is not fit to be a journalist.

    I can’t tell if you are being facetious. Wendy Bell is mixed race and not white. Sort of like the famous Zimmerman.

  80. @Jefferson
    "BLM has killed more black people this year than the KKK has in the last 50."

    BLMBOITAKBAWP

    Black lives matter but only if they are killed by a White person.

    There is a reason why Black Lies Matter does not exist in Jamaica for example, which has one of the highest murder rates in the world. There is no White boogeymen in Jamaica. There are no Jamaican police officers who racially look like Darren Wilson. So no Black homicide deaths in Jamaica can ever be blamed on White people.

    If you go by per capita, way more Black people are murdered in Jamaica than in The United States. Jamaica needs Black Lives Matter way more than The U.S does.

    To me this suggests that black communities be policed by black officers. If they shoot one of their own, there’s no racism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Wrong!!!!

    They will still blame 'white power structures'.
  81. @Erik Sieven
    “What matters is what’s going on in America, and it is the death of black people in this country.” Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die? Where does this "black people are the most important people in the world" point of view come from? It is not only black people who suffer from black violence

    Does somebody like Wendy Bell really believe that the problem in the USA is black people die?

    Yeah, count me as someone who has little sympathy anymore when these “concerned” nice white liberals get eaten by the more vociferous (and more evil) lefty agitators.

    My sympathy supply has simply dried up. I realize it sucks to be a decent black person surrounding by morons. But hey, you had your chance to push back against this tide of excuse making and most of them never did.

    But i’m even more disgusted by these whites who’ve elevated black people to some sort of sacramental tokens that it’s our job to worry about. This for people a people who are serial screwups, express racial hostility to whites and physically attack us! The correct response is indifference–to outright hostility when they are messing with us. Show some self-respect and stop pandering to these people and treating them like gods to be appeased. Who cares what happens to them.

    ~~~

    My sympathy supply now is solely reserved for my kids–and by extension other decent white people–trying to find decent BLM-free places to live good lives and enjoy family life.

  82. @Diversity Heretic
    To me this suggests that black communities be policed by black officers. If they shoot one of their own, there's no racism.

    Wrong!!!!

    They will still blame ‘white power structures’.

  83. @Jefferson
    "Perhaps the most absurd example was Cracker Barrel trashing Phil Robertson. Cracker Barrel??? Talk about not knowing your customers."

    There is a reason why there are no Cracker Barrels in Los Angeles and New York City. It is seen as the Larry The Cable Guy of restaurant chains. In the eyes of the Left, it is not sophisticated like Starbucks and Chipotle.

    That reminds me, have you discussed race lately with your Starbucks clerk?

  84. According to Tommy Sotomayor, the lady who was fired is herself a (partial) Child of Africa.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "According to Tommy Sotomayor, the lady who was fired is herself a (partial) Child of Africa."

    Even though she is partially Black, according to Social Justice Warriors the one drop rule does not apply to her, just like it did not apply to George Zimmerman who is also partially Black.

    In the 21st Century the one drop rule is now politics related and not genetics related. The one drop rule truly is a social construct the way it is being used by the Left.

  85. @SteveRogers42
    According to Tommy Sotomayor, the lady who was fired is herself a (partial) Child of Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MummfbuTO08

    “According to Tommy Sotomayor, the lady who was fired is herself a (partial) Child of Africa.”

    Even though she is partially Black, according to Social Justice Warriors the one drop rule does not apply to her, just like it did not apply to George Zimmerman who is also partially Black.

    In the 21st Century the one drop rule is now politics related and not genetics related. The one drop rule truly is a social construct the way it is being used by the Left.

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