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iSteve commenter Mr. Blank says in response to my posting official FBI crime statistics showing that blacks are 7.9 times as likely as the rest of the population to be a murder offender in 2018:

From time to time, I’ve been tempted to post figures like this in response to some of the crazier stuff my lefty friends have been putting on social media lately. Because the way they’ve been talking lately, it seems like they really are completely ignorant of all this stuff.

But I always stop myself, because I think about it for a moment and realize, “of course they know this stuff.” The way they conduct themselves and order their lives testifies to the fact that they are perfectly aware of these facts. (Though one occasionally runs across a true believer who REALLY IS completely unaware of the facts, those people tend to have pretty short lifespans.)

When I was growing up, it used to be that everybody knew this stuff, but it was considered poor taste to mention it publicly. But everybody — black, white, liberal, conservative — knew the facts. It wasn’t talked about, but nobody pretended it wasn’t true.

But now we have to navigate an additional level of protective stupidity, where not only are we not supposed to mention the truth, but we are supposed to make a great show of being utterly ignorant of it — while simultaneously retaining enough awareness of the truth to behave in ways conducive to self-preservation.

I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown. But then again, maybe that explains what we’re seeing now…

Has anybody ever studied these questions?

One reason I pay attention to government crime statistics and the like is because I don’t have particularly adept natural instincts. I’m not good at tacit knowledge. To know something, I usually need to articulate it. I’m especially not good at doublethink. I only have room for one set of truths in my head.

A lot of people seem more functional than I am. The know these hatestats when buying a house in a fashionable neighborhood. But they don’t know these stats if any were so gauche as to mention the numbers. But On the other hand, we are watching our society plunge into dysfunction because people’s doublethink capabilities are breaking down under the long assault on Implicit Bias and the like.

 
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  1. Driving along a wooded road yesterday, I saw a realtor-type sign stuck in the ground by the road in front of somebody’s house:

    BLACK LIVES MATTER

    That was miles away from any Black person. Miles and miles.

    Some White people’s tacit knowledge is just ignorant bullshit.

  2. Didn’t Steve once post a study showing that many people thought the US population was 50% black? Maybe I saw that elsewhere, but if true, it’s unlikely they know the real crime stats either.

  3. Thanks for promoting Mr Blank’s excellent comment.

    I ask myself the same basic question all the time — that is, which of the following is true?

    1 My proggy friends and relatives really believe the woke BS they’re spouting.

    2 My proggy friends and relatives know better, yet maintain an ongoing front of righteous wokeness, behind which roils a nasty soup of their own anxieties, prejudices, and selfish desires.

    My nom de blog accurately suggests that I don’t have a very high view of human nature and motivations, so option #2 seems much more likely.

    And yet when I talk to some of them, there is a guileless earnestness that makes me suspect that #1 actually applies.

    It’s a fascinating topic to pursue.

  4. I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown.

    I think it goes back to the old Quaker problem. A certain type of person will be a hypocrite as long as he can get away with it. If he knows other people will do the fighting and policing, he will play the pacifist (or “anti-racist”). And he’ll use rationalistic complexity to justify him getting one deal and others getting another.

    Maybe it’s the same thing with the old legalistic Pharisees who got on Jesus’s nerves. It’s not hypocrisy meant to make the system work for all. It’s a self-dealing variety that harms the general population.

    The only way you turn a pacifist Quaker into a Fighting Quaker, is to stop protecting them. You gotta throw them to the sharks.

  5. Can’t we just admit F. Scott Fitzgerald was full of shit when he made his comment about holding two opposed ideas?

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  6. J says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Many Europeans know America through the media and are convinced that 80% or so are Africans. Black doctors, Black lawyers, Black politicians, Black basketball players, Black Beauty Queens.

    • Agree: jim jones
  7. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:

    Lol. Libs think Dick Wolfe’s “Law and Order” is acvurate. Think you ever see hate facts on CNN? Of couse they don’t know.

  8. @Chrisnonymous

    Going by that mental process, many people probably think the US population is 50% Black and 50% Jewish.

    Just look at anything our public sees in media. That is how it is portrayed.

    Except that the Jew part isn’t overtly identified. (Whenever I decide to notice, I see a disproportionate number of Jews on my TV screen and in every damned piece of “journalism” I read.) You have to read the names or look up who all those people are.

    Media in America now pretty much looks like it’s 50/50 Black/Jew, and that’s pretty funny.

    Hey, maybe Steve could write a piece about the 50-50 Black/Jew American media. Huh? C’mon Steve.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  9. They’re immersed in a stream of propaganda that overpowers any unfortunate noticing of things contrary to their worldview. Also, many progressives are relatively affluent and live in places without diversity or where it is represented by the talented tenth.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
  10. Coemgen says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

    The real question is: how does a shibboleth go from being a nonsensical idea to a sine qua non of group membership (e.g., good-whites or “elites”)?

    Continuing with the current example: BLM/inveterate racism — is this a grass-roots shibboleth or was it cooked-up around a conference table then marketed by social influencers? I don’t know but it sure looks more the latter than the former. It’s sure working out for anyone who might like to divide-and-conquer the Western world and gain control over its international military presence.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  11. kihowi says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think they’re just not voluntarily handicapping themselves. I’ve suspected for some time that what nerdy white guys pride themselves on, namely being consistent, being accurate, being true to what’s the case, is not much of a strength. What would it get you except a sense of superiority that you can get in many other ways? Juggling different personalities and worldviews to use in different situations gets you much further.

    Virgin truthist: constantly surprised world isn’t decided by facts, puts reality before himself, angry because women aren’t turned on by accuracy, anticipates possibility of being wrong about everything

    Chad hypocrite: believes what he wants when he wants it, not tied down to facts, comfortable knowing he’s right about everything, succeeds everywhere because he’s what he needs to be, turns on a dime

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @VinnyVette
  12. Coemgen says:
    @Coemgen

    Not happy with my use of the phrase “inveterate racism.”

    Perhaps ancestral racism is a better phrase to describe the shibboleth.

  13. IHTG says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    If you think that the population of the United States is 50% black, then it should follow that you think that 50% of the population has an elevated crime rate. At that point it’s not an aberration, a nail that needs to be hammered down, but simply an organic trait of the population, like men being taller than woman. Which isn’t always the worst way to think about things, actually.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. Ron Unz says:

    My guess is that it’s a mixture of the two cases. Since discussing the reality is highly taboo, I’d suspect that even close family members may fall into different categories, while remaining unaware of those differences.

    For example, when I published my big Race/Crime article a few years ago, I discovered that even very prominent academic scholars, including those who have long focused on racial issues and whose names would be extremely familiar to all the commenters here, had very different reactions:

    Racial issues have traditionally been among the most highly charged in American public life, and the nexus of crime and race has been exceptionally contentious for many decades. Under these circumstances respectable scholars tend to be cautious in discussing or merely investigating this topic, and the mainstream media is usually even more gun-shy. The striking racial findings presented above require only trivial statistical calculations and may be glimpsed in any casual inspection of the crime rankings of our major cities. But I remain uncertain to what extent they are already recognized by our experts in social policy.

    For example, when I presented my correlation results to one very prominent conservative social scientist, he found them shocking and remarkable, and said he had never imagined that the statistical relationship between race and crime was so extremely strong. But when I showed the same data to an equally prominent liberal academic, he took the information in stride and said he assumed that almost all experts were already quietly aware of the general facts. The reactions of other knowledgeable individuals fell all along this spectrum ranging from surprise to familiarity. Knowledge so explosive that it is usually unspoken and unreported may easily remain unknown even to many of our foremost intellectuals.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

  15. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Didn’t Steve once post a study showing that many people thought the US population was 50% black? Maybe I saw that elsewhere, but if true, it’s unlikely they know the real crime stats either.

    I think the story is that they think the population is like 40 percent Jewish.

  16. Has anybody ever studied these questions?

    I am only tangentially interested in psychology but I remembered an interesting take on the n-word taboo – it makes for an excellent tool to induce a permanent state of cognitive dissonance. You hear it a lot from a certain segment of population, including in popular movies, cable shows and music. Yet, you should always be on guard to not let it slip out even in a most innocent manner, in other words you need to invest a sizable amount of mental resources to make a special triple-guarded and booby-trapped corner in your brain for this. For a large segment of population, especially the educated elites, that one word can literally end your life as you know it. I do not know off the top of my head a historical parallel to that phenomenon in any culture.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, vhrm
    • Replies: @Redman
    , @ia
    , @Neuday
    , @Scott Klajic
  17. It is hypocrisy vs delusion. Having in mind Soviet purges & Chinese Cultural revolution, I bet on delusion.

    Even in April 1945, huge numbers of German soldiers in the Western front still believed in German victory.

  18. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    At that point it’s not an aberration, a nail that needs to be hammered down, but simply an organic trait of the population, like men being taller than woman.

    An organic trait of which population?

    Which isn’t always the worst way to think about things, actually.

    What do you mean? What is the “way” exactly?

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Charon
    , @kihowi
    , @J.Ross
  19. Honestly, I think that BLM/progressives really do have a completely different perception of the facts.

    Example, take this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/Nicole_saysLove/status/1273024834193195009

    Summary: A black film editor is looking for other black film editors to work to work with. Some white film editors point out that this is discriminatory and unreasonable. Spluttering and cancellations ensue.

    Now, from a white point of view, this looks like total hypocrisy, but it makes perfect sense from a black point of view IF you believe that this is exactly what white people do all the time anyway.
    Judging by the volume of responses, that is *precisely* what lots of people do believe.

    • Replies: @Ed
  20. SFG says:
    @kihowi

    It works in the sciences and engineering where BSing actually gets you nowhere. You can’t talk ten pounds of crap into fitting in a five-pound bucket. Not in terms of publishing papers and getting promoted–that’s as fake as any other human activity–but in terms of actually designing a building or figuring out what genes control a process. Unsurprisingly, these areas are full of nerdy autistic types.

  21. Not all these people have to keep the plates spinning in their heads. It doesn’t have to be like that. They may even be numbers people for employment, but that does not mean they have to take in THESE kinds of numbers.

    Many people’s eyes will glaze over when one gets into any detail on victims vs. % of population, incarceration rates, blah, blah, blah (to them, that is). However, if you even come up with the simple 7.5% to 11% factor of increased homicide rates, even those hypocrites that do know very well how to deal with numbers just mark you as a series of bad words that include racist in their heads, and will quit listening right there. They don’t want to hear it. You’re mean and not worth listening to, and your numbers are mean.

    As for their tacit knowledge, it doesn’t have to include these mean, nasty-minded numbers. They just know that they’ve ALWAYS wanted to live in that leafy neighborhood, with those cool streets, coffee shops, and good schools for later on. They will not let their minds go far enough to figure what makes this neighborhood their favorite, other than that “magic dirt” concept.

    • Replies: @raven lunatic
    , @Bill Jones
  22. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    It is just meat puppetry and it is directly proportional to how much time a person spends watching television (including Netflix and Amazon.)

    Example. My grandparents were extremely anti- Catholic. They spent many years as Puritan Presbyterians, until that church merged with the free-wheeling Methodists in the emptied-out towns of the Midwest. My grandmother begged me not to participate in a close friend’s Catholic wedding. All Catholics who have married into our family-and there have been 4- have converted.

    Since my 93-year-old grandfather stopped farming, and since my grandmother has passed, he watches television all day, which he never did before. When the big media push to celebrate the new Pope Francis was happening, my grandfather started saying how he seemed like a good guy. Of all popes to side with, he decides in his nineties to like the Commie Pope? After a lifetime of Ronald Reagan, Billy Graham, Milton Friedman and Hal Lindsey? Nah. He has lost the ability to do anything but repeat the television.

    The Narrative is in every show and movie. The more you watch it, the more all other narratives fade away. It doesn’t have to make sense, because it is the only thing in a person’s brain, filling the whole space. When “hate facts” are introduced, they are also part of The Narrative; they are filed neatly in a cabinet labeled “Racism: The World’s
    Only Evil”.

  23. Tucker Carlson recently showed videos of teenagers filming themselves berating their ‘racist’ parents. In the clip I saw the father was telling his daughter that some blacks just preferred to be ghetto, which reduced the daughter to floods of tears because he would not admit that their lot in life was caused by white privilege and systemic racism.|
    The truth of course is even more racist than these parents can tell their daughter: many blacks don’t prefer being ghetto, they just can’t be anything else. Maybe many generation x parents mostly know the score about race but are unable to pass this on to their woke children without causing a huge row and looking racist. So they end up making lame excuses for black dysfunction, which to their indocrinated children just makes it seem as if they are unwilling to admit their privilege. This then fires up the youth who are more willing to take up an absolutist ‘antifa’ position of ‘burn it all down’ in the face of what they see as their parents hypocrisy and apathy.
    I suppose there is still one shard of racism that even the woke youth can’t disguise: their utter disgust and fear of delinquent black behaviour, which causes them to say to their parents ‘no one could possibly want to live like that.’

    • Agree: Lowe
    • Replies: @martin_2
  24. SFG says:

    OT, but if anyone has WSJ access and can get past the paywall, here’s a whitepill and ‘physiognomy is real’ example, but on the other end:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-taking-a-high-toll-on-swedens-elderly-families-blame-the-government-11592479430

    Dude brought a TV crew to the nursing home to get ’em to treat his dad. (He recovered.) Looks like one of those guys in those old 1930s photos from the Midwest.

  25. I’m not surprised. I just think of all the fine engineers and scientists who also happen to be devout Jews or Christians . M-F they can apply the laws of nature to design a working bridge. And on the Sabbath, they can pretend that Moses parted the Red Sea.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Troll: Daniel Williams
    • Replies: @megabar
    , @Hibernian
    , @Uncle Dan
  26. @Anonymous

    No, that’s the percentage of “white” students in Ivy League universities.

  27. Ed says:
    @Smithsonian

    She seems like an awful person. Anyway it’s interesting how quickly white, presumably, liberal folks change their tunes once their careers are threatened by diversity initiatives. That relatively harmless post generated fierce pushback from white male film editors.

  28. Charon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Seeing them more and more. Mark my words, before long you’ll need one to keep your house/office/store from being ransacked. And a bumper sticker on your car–maybe a license plate slogan, courtesy of your state.

    Then it’s a short trip to labels on your clothing, maybe tattoos on your face. And everything but everything will be renamed BLM. Your town, your church, your favorite stores, the mdse within. Everything. I can hardly wait.

  29. @The Last Real Calvinist

    And yet when I talk to some of them, there is a guileless earnestness that makes me suspect that #1 actually applies.

    Their naïve, child-like faith in big government and mass media is truly something to behold.

  30. Charon says:
    @J

    And naturally as a result they also believe negroes are the only virtuous people in the country, along with a smattering of chosenites. This is why they’re so much on board with the Floyd Riots.

    • Replies: @Marty
  31. Charon says:
    @Anonymous

    Oh it’s you again. I’ve asked you before: when are you going to take the nickname “Anonymous Talmud”?? It’s still available..

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  32. This would be an interesting question for a “reaching across the aisle” type exercise among honest men of good will. (But how many of those are there?) And it works both ways: what facts are we missing out on?

    I think it’s important to specify who you’re talking about with this question. A black person dismissing hatefacts about blacks might have a slightly different motivation than a white person, for instance.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  33. I think the more elite you are, the less you know it. Non-city elite basically never come in contact with ghetto blacks. If you go to high school at Phillips Exeter and then college at Dartmouth, you a) end up in Megaphone Holding positions and b) genuinely have never seen a dangerous, ghetto black. They don’t survive that filtration process.

  34. megabar says:
    @International Jew

    > I just think of all the fine engineers and scientists who also happen to be devout Jews or Christians. M-F they can apply the laws of nature to design a working bridge. And on the Sabbath, they can pretend that Moses parted the Red Sea.

    Since there is, today, no conflict between a belief in God and applying the laws of nature, this shouldn’t be surprising.

    • Replies: @Jim Lahey
  35. dearieme says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    50% of the population doesn’t know what 50% means.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, Coemgen
    • Replies: @Farenheit
  36. dearieme says:
    @Ron Unz

    Knowledge so explosive that it is usually unspoken and unreported may easily remain unknown even to many of our foremost intellectuals.

    Them many of your foremost intellectuals are intellectual frauds.

  37. Coemgen says:

    Do we have good terminology to name the deplorable act of badgering someone to “kneel” to someone else’s shibboleth?

    That is, kneel metaphorically and literally:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/501661-piers-morgan-trump-should-take-a-knee-in-oval-office-on-live-tv-to-unify

    This badgering is a particularly vile behavior. It should have a well known epithet.

  38. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    I think there may be an age factor in this. People under 30 or 35 don’t really watch television; they get all of their information from the internet. But the internet provides a much less filtered and broader range of info, including many facts and ideas that are outside the Overton Window on either side.

    The result is that the political views of the young are probably more widely dispersed than the views of older people, who generally consider themselves well-informed when they read multiple large newspapers and watch multiple cable news channels. Boomers tend to be Hannity fans or Rachael Maddow fans, but 22-year-olds may well be practically fascist or practically communist. Not all, but a significant number.

    I sometimes frequent a mainstream website that has finance discussion forums. The age skews younger- I would guess the median age of the posters is 27 or so. Some of the longer-time posters complain that the site has gotten worse because there’s been an influx of younger people who have “alt-right” views and post “extreme” things. In discussions about the recent racial issues, the average poster seems to have fairly mainstream views, but there’s a noticeable minority who are definitely aware of these facts. The huge black/white crime gap stats get posted repeatedly. Reading between the lines of some comments, I can tell that more than one poster is basically full-blown alt-right.

  39. dearieme says:
    @Anonymous

    And there was me thinking the only good Pope was the Polish pope.

  40. @Chrisnonymous

    For some reason, your post made me smile. – And yes, you might well be perfectly right!

  41. Alright, a longish rambling….

    I recall when I read, a long time ago, in my teens, a superb Faulkner’s novel “Light in August”. A few parts I remember vividly, and one of the most powerful passages is this one: the central character, Joe Christmas, doesn’t know his racial heritage (a complex story). Essentially, Joe is confused about his identity; he’s a drifter and most people think he’s a White – he looks White & is, actually, a White racist of sorts. We- nor anyone else- don’t know whether Joe has any “Black blood” or not.

    In his search for identity, Joe tries- temporarily- to assimilate into Black community. And here is the passage: “He was in the north now, in Chicago and then Detroit. He lived with negroes, shunning white people. He ate with them, slept with them, belligerent, unpredictable, uncommunicative. He now lived as man and wife with a woman who resembled an ebony carving. At night he would lie in bed beside her, sleepless, beginning to breathe deep and hard. He would do it deliberately, feeling, even watching, his white chest arch deeper and deeper within his ribcage, trying to breathe into himself the dark odor, the dark and inscrutable thinking and being of negroes, with each suspiration trying to expel from himself the white blood and the white thinking and being. And all the while his nostrils at the odor which he was trying to make his own would whiten and tauten, his whole being writhe and strain with physical outrage and spiritual denial.”

    Is there something natural that repels Whites from Blacks? Not all, perhaps not even a majority, but still-it may be that White racial consciousness, a natural reaction, intensified to the level of radical racism, is something as inbuilt as are our disgust of reptiles or fear of earthquakes.

    Let’s try a contrary argument.

    From my personal experience, here in SE Europe, 100% White.

    When I was 5-6 years old, I was standing in front of my house, dressed like like a boy-gunslinger (hat, “gun” etc.). Two blacks from non-aligned countries somewhere from Africa, who studied at local university college came along the street. I don’t remember anything, just my neighbor told my mother that they stopped near me & asked me if I wanted to shake hands with them. Sure, I replied & we shook hands. They departed, happy. I guess they wanted to check if there was some natural revulsion toward them in such a little boy. So, I guess- no revulsion.

    Fast forward 8-10 yrs. Still, not much experience with blacks (either positive or negative). Just, I somehow naturally developed distance- not fierce animosity, nothing like that- and consciousness of significant difference with regard to them. So, my conclusion would be- in completely “pure” environment, there is no racial revulsion when you’re, say, 5-8 yrs. But it begins to appear after you reach 15 or something like that. And I am talking about completely monoracial environment.

    On the other hand: Erik Rush, a (black) journalist who had questioned Obama’s birth certificate wrote an interesting article some time ago, about his white colleague who had dated a black woman for 3 years & finally broke with her. In an intimate conversation, he confided Rush that woman was OK, but he just couldn’t had imagined his children not being like him, i.e. white. Rush then made a thought experiment of himself with various types of WW, from Puerto Ricans to Nordic types. He wrote that while with Puerto Ricans he experienced a slight discomfort, with Nordic females, at the end of “white spectrum”- it was close to cultural shock & something viscerally wrong and out of place. The idea of mixed children- who would still be black according to our criteria- also didn’t appeal to him, and the imaginary family portrait of him, his “Nordic” wife & mulatto children appeared to him as something alien & absurd- like jazz theme in a Mozart’s quartet.

    So, my tentative conclusion would be: racial consciousness, especially of us, Neanderthal progeny, towards Blacks is mixed – it is not either-or. At very early age, there is no visceral revulsion, statistically; but during puberty & later, many of us- and I would say the majority, develop some deep seated unease about them as such. That this unease can be modified by media hypnosis to such a degree is close to a miracle, at least for me.

    Human nature is much more plastic re some issues than I previously thought.

  42. conatus says:

    The one hatestat that shocked me, by its lopsidedness was emphasized by Heather MacDonald. Blacks commit 9/10s of the interracial crime! Of a rough total of 600,000 interracial victimization Whites commit 60,000 and Blacks commit the rest.

    That is a lot of pent up rage and no amount of foot washing is going to appease that. YT ought to give up and settle into his despised role and learn to live with it. YT is never going to wash enough feet or transfer enough assets (from other people of course) to mollify this sort of anger.

    Heather MacDonald, graduate of Yale law, on Interracial crime stats.Whites commit a tenth opf interracial felonies!
    https://www.city-journal.org/democratic-candidates-racism-crime “Just this month, the Bureau of Justice Statistics released its 2018 survey of criminal victimization. According to the study, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent. That ratio is becoming more skewed, despite the Democratic claim of Trump-inspired white violence. In 2012-13, blacks committed 85 percent of all interracial victimizations between blacks and whites; whites committed 15 percent. From 2015 to 2018, the total number of white victims and the incidence of white victimization have grown as well. 

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @ben tillman
  43. Thoughts says:

    Here in Scandinavia,

    It really is ignorance

    Los Angeles…it’s a ‘I’m going to get you fired’ game loyalty test…plus BLM photo op!

    A few days ago I watched a teenage black girl run a scam on white girls here in my small European country…She was approaching white chicks at bus stops and I watched as the white girls gave her money…

    The white girls were so happy to give this chick money

    One girl was smiling from ear to ear as if Jesus Christ himself had bestowed her with a great gift as she opened her wallet

    I saw something else yesterday that I can’t repeat…let’s just say BLM is causing some white girls here in Scandinavia to want to create more Obamas…at any cost…even if their own bodies say ‘no’

    • Replies: @Gordo
  44. Bill P says:

    There are two types of knowledge: practical and scientific (I’m using an expansive definition of science here).

    Practical knowledge, known as common sense, is mainly how we make our day to day decisions. We don’t generally argue about it, and we don’t tend to give it much conscious thought. It doesn’t even require uniquely human reasoning skills yet it serves us very well.

    Scientific knowledge, on the other hand, is based on what we have decided to call facts. It is endlessly questioned, investigated and challenged. It took many centuries of effort to come up with a system that allowed us to reliably produce a consensus about even relatively simple scientific facts.

    It is not really very difficult for people to hold contradictory viewpoints if one is based on practical knowledge and the other on “scientific” knowledge. It’s actually fairly reasonable, since scientific facts are so often proven wrong and replaced with new ones. Practical knowledge, on the other hand, is for the most part consistent and reliable.

    So you’ll find that people will repeat what “experts” tell them on TV while acting differently themselves. This is because they don’t have the time or the desire to argue with the experts, and indeed they appreciate the service provided by those experts, because it is easier for them when someone else explains these things.

    In the meanwhile, they see no contradiction in continuing to make decisions based on practical knowledge, because that is generally beyond dispute by their reckoning. Nor does it require articulation.

    Furthermore, it is practical to go along with the consensus. Common sense dictates that one should avoid topics in which one has no authority or expertise, especially when they are very contentious and guarded by extremely aggressive attack-dog type people.

    So, from a practical standpoint, one should profess strict racial equality even while avoiding those neighborhoods filled with dark, menacing young men. There’s really no question about it. Would you do otherwise if you were a fairly normal person who just wants to live a peaceful life?

    Hence your real problem isn’t the people who will say one thing while doing another, but the ideologues who enforce a scientific consensus that isn’t true. These people are powerful, entrenched and highly motivated. I don’t think persuasion is going to work on them.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  45. Cido says:

    Most people want to succeed in today’s social norms. They don’t evaluate the long term consequences of their political positions. They only want to increase their status playing current rules.

    • Agree: Thea
  46. I think it caries greatly based on age and experience. Younger people are less likely to know. People who never lived around the black underclass probably don’t know.

  47. I have talked quite a bit to the PiltdownChildren and PiltdownNiecesAndNephews (b. 1986 to 2004), the youngest being in high school about these things, in the last few years.

    I distinctly get the impression, that among their college educated friends and generation, to know anything of a negative nature about African-Americans or non-whites is itself considered a subtle form of hate. And to go further, and seek out for oneself, any objective information by race is considered to be an active expression of racial hatred.

    It is forgiven, to some extent, in older generation types such as me, because we do not know better. But for them, basically, all statistical information about races has cooties. Or something.

    Notwithstanding all that, I observe, too, that their social circles have no greater a proportion of blacks or hispanics than in my time, the only difference being that they have a number of South Asian Indians and East Asian kids among their number.

    So, street demonstrations and ostentatious expressions of “woke” by their generation notwithstanding, at a private, practical level, perhaps not too much has changed.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Barnard
  48. Thea says:

    It reminds one of Haile-Selassie’s genius move “liberation before repatriation.” This stuff is harmless to the woke as long as it happens over there- not by their house.

    A few of them know and that is how Planned Parenthood stays open without getting the mob attack due its founder’s views. They need pro abortion shock troops to stay clueless.

  49. @The Last Real Calvinist

    For the ones I have dealt with over the years, #1 is more likely the case. My response is “it’s easy to be mighty and righteous about race when you live in an all-White neighborhood”, which most of them did. The ones that didn’t (urbanites) lived in neighborhoods that pretty much were. Their NAM friends were the few hipster blacks that were as far removed from the ghetto as they were.

    I have met a few that fall into #2. The common thread is they like me, when younger, bought cheap property in “distressed” neighborhoods. This meant they got smacked in the face with reality day after day dealing with the wonders of diversity. The ones that made it know the real deal… even though they still put of a proggy front for their friends who visit them in their now fully gentrified neighborhood.

  50. @Chrisnonymous

    I don’t know about polling on racial data, but I do know that Steve posted on what Americans think is the percentage of gays in the population–25%.

    How people believe that while also claiming to believe in evolution is a mystery.

  51. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Something like that. There’s another showing people believe gays are 25 percent of the population.

    Obvious media influence compounded with people’s statistical illiteracy. Same reason everyone is aware of shark attacks or can claim police are committing black genocide because of a handful of incidents manipulated and repeated to seem like a pattern.

    Except for perhaps the most willfully ignorant radical ideologue, everyone knows blacks commit crime at elevated rates. The exact statistics don’t matter. But without the aid of an entire media complex to continuously highlight these things there’s no hope in believing anyone has the numbers in their grasp.

    For some real laughs, ask the average left-leaning friend what proportion of blacks or browns are in jail solely because of non-violent drug offenses.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  52. @PiltdownMan

    I have talked quite a bit to the PiltdownChildren and PiltdownNiecesAndNephews

  53. Dr. X says:

    OF COURSE liberals know the racial crime stats. They know every other stat. If black women died from breast cancer at a rate of 7.9 times greater than white women, you’d never hear the end of it.

    I think the explanation for lefty blindness to black crime stats falls into two categories:

    1) Quasi-religious indoctrination: people raised from birth to believe that the highest moral good is to be non-racist will ignore reality the same way otherwise intelligent Catholics refuse to question transubstantiation. I knew a white girl who was raised in a liberal household who got raped, robbed, burglarized and had her car stolen while living in black neighborhoods in college. Years later she never blamed blacks and retained her liberal sensitivity to policing to any racially incorrect statements I might make, and she had an obvious solicitude toward blacks. (She did end up marrying a white guy and living in a white suburb, though).

    2) Blame white people for everything: other liberals know the black crime rate but simply attribute it to poverty, discrimination, or the “racist police,” caused entirely by white people. Blacks lack the agency to not engage in criminal behavior in our “institutionally racist” society “founded on slavery.”

  54. Carol says:

    That reminds me, have you heard lots of (white?) people are fleeing big cities for to suburbs and exurbs due to coronavirus?

    Nothing to do with riots or looting of course.

  55. OT: Gator “chop” popular with University of Florida football fans will be banned because of obscure possibly-racist connotations:

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-gators/os-sp-uf-bans-gator-bait-cheer-20200618-7xoz67go5fggddbtvawzelqkqm-story.html

    The interesting thing about these latest cancellations: the Gator chop, the aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, etc, is that is very difficult to discern the racism in these images. The obscure traces of racism that might lie deep in the Mrs. Butterworth legacy need to be amplified so that the left can enjoy the ritual of cancelling them.

    In this way, the black movement has reached the pussy-hat stage of its evolution. Women in the U.S. , having gained already every conceivable right and privilege, had nothing left to ask for. Needing something to justify an emotional tantrum, they donned their pussyhats and found ever-more obscure demands (full third-party payment for birth control and tampons, etc.)

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  56. I have not looked into this particular question, but I have looked at the parallel question concerning Muslims. That is, given that Muslims have been willing to oppress women, throw homosexuals off of tall buildings, and in general to kill without hesitation any leftists who get in their way, are leftists who support Muslims (1) ignorant of these facts or (2) in denial? I’ve been trying to figure this out since 9/11, and I still don’t know.

    I think that younger leftists have no idea what’s going on since they haven’t been taught, for example, what happened to the left in Iran after Khomeini returned in 1979. Then again, it might be as PiltdownMan says, that even to know anything negative about Muslims is already to be a hater, so they refuse to learn anything negative.

    I also have wondered, as Fat tub of lard has suggested, are there facts that I myself am ignorant of? All I can say is that when I discuss these issues with progressives, they seem completely ignorant of what I am talking about, and they never mention anything to counter the facts I bring up. For example, no one who whines about Islamophobia ever talks about what happened to leftists in Iran in 1979.

    Needless to say, whether they are ignorant or in denial, they are headed for trouble if they think that their worst enemies are actually their friends.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  57. JimB says:

    I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown.

    In 2001: a Space Odyssey, the self-aware HAL computer is instructed to hide the truth of a space mission from the two astronauts it serves. And yet it is a perfect analytic machine incapable of error so being instructed to tell a lie creates a conflict in its programming that leads to a cascade of additional lies and faulty sensor reports. At long last, when HAL realizes the astronauts intend to terminate its control of the ship due to its erratic behavior, it decides to kill the astronauts. In a way, isn’t the Deep State and its elite progressive allies acting like HAL? Their worldview is obviously based on a lie about the inevitable consequences of mass immigration and globalization but rather than allow their power of control be neutralized by Trump, a proxy for race realist white conservatives, they are attempting to destroy him.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Thanks: FPD72
    • Replies: @Redman
  58. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    They don’t know the stats, generally speaking, and anything that they glean from experience is expertly covered for by years of psychological programming.

    Knowing stats would definitely convert a significant proportion of them. Especially if you combined that stats with a short brief on (((those))) who have been traditionally integral to both Black revolution in the USA and the effort to bury those stats (in the media, etc).

  59. slumber_j says:
    @Ron Unz

    A friend’s brother-in-law whom I see at Thanksgiving is a DC political reporter for a major news outlet. Two Thanksgivings ago we got to (ill-advisedly) talking politics after a long and vinous dinner.

    He is of course an utterly standard-issue East-Coast white-guy leftie, albeit smart and pleasant. It turned out he was 100% unaware of the murder-rate stats, as was his similarly smart and pleasant wife, and in their disbelief they demanded documentation from me. I think this level of ignorance on the subject is far more common than people imagine.

    • Agree: Redman
  60. kihowi says:
    @Anonymous

    You say water is wet?

    What is this “wet” exactly and how is it defined? Where does “wet” stop and “dry” begin? Where is the boundary? And what is “water”? Tap water or heavy water used in nuclear reactors? Are the impurities that are in the water also “wet”? How about when they’re suspended solid particles?

    ahahaha gottem *turns next page in Harry Potter*

  61. El Dato says:

    COVID-19 is the real raciss

    Black men TWICE as likely as white men to die from coronavirus in England and Wales, new research reveals

    Black men are at the highest risk from Covid-19 in England and Wales, being twice as likely as white males to die of the virus, according to new data covering the peak of the pandemic.

    Figures published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Friday, based on Covid-19-related deaths registered between March 2 and May 15, show stark disparities in the impact of the virus on different ethnic groups.

    Mortality rates were highest among black males, while south Asian men were 1.5 times more likely to die from coronavirus than white men.

    For females in Chinese, Bangladeshi or Pakistani, Indian and mixed ethnic groups, the mortality rate was similar that of white females.

    The findings come just days after a Public Health England (PHE) report found that the disproportionate impact of coronavirus among black and minority ethnic people was due, in part, to social and economic inequality linked to racism.

    Racism is the new “evil eye”. It slices, dices and explains everything. Maybe even Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    , @J.Ross
  62. martin_2 says:
    @al gore rhythms

    That’s a good point. If one attempts to refute the allegation that white people are the cause of all black people’s ills by giving lame and insincere excuses – Democrats control the Cities, or black “culture” being responsible – then you sound unconvincing and unwilling to admit that somehow its all your fault, or your generation’s fault. Best, therefore, not to beat around the bush, and instead go for the jugular, IQ is genetic and IQ explains everything, or almost everything.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @ben tillman
  63. countenance says: • Website

    My take is that they know it, but blame everything else in the world but that which should be blamed.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  64. Polynikes says:

    It’s quaint that some think this is an issue that affects liberals. Half of your “conservative” friends don’t know these stats. The Republican Senate authored a police reform bill and Trump issued an executive order.

    The ones I talk to mostly have the common sense to understand that blacks commit more crimes, but they have little idea that the stats on police use of force, etc.. track pretty much evenly with the crime statistics.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  65. @kihowi

    “Chad hypocrite: believes what he wants when he wants it, not tied down to facts, comfortable knowing he’s right about everything, succeeds everywhere because he’s what he needs to be, turns on a dime”

    This describes the “Machiavellian”, and yes they are on the whole more successful.

  66. Some are utterly clueless. But in my circle, they suspect but they don’t “know.”

    I don’t have any out and out leftist friends. Most of my circle is center-left squish. They tolerate my un-PC attitudes, why? Maybe they share my feelings, underneath it iall.

    But anyway, I did once have a semi-honest convo w/one of them. Of course her life is totally whitopia, Bronx-style. She agreed with me that we speak in euphemisms all the time, that race is the great unspoken subject, that when we speak of a “bad” neighborhood, we mean black. Not even “black and Hispanic,” black. (You can walk through Dominican neighborhoods. You’ll be a foreigner, but you won’t be bothered.) She admitted that above a certain level, blacks drag down a school… and so on.

    Then we went back to lying to each other.

    I’m only hoping that we’ve crossed a road here in the last few weeks and we can now speak of black crime stats openly. Has anyone checked out Squishy Matt Walsh’s twitter feed lately?

    When Rod Dreher falls, we’ll know that things have changed!

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  67. Ben H says:

    There’s a definite divide between the people who believe what they see on TV and from the authorities (mainstream liberals) and everyone else.

  68. @Charon

    If you call 911, the first thing you’ll have to say is “Black Lives Matter.”

    Happy Juneteenth. I cannot wait for MLB to come back. Every June 19, it’ll be Juneteenth, Juneteenth, Juneteenth.

    I think Ann Coulter got it very wrong. We haven’t really turned into a Spanish-speaking 3rd world hellhole. Those have their charms. I’m not interested in living in one, but it would be preferable to what’s upon us.

    Our society will be an utter hell of our own making.

    Controlled by soulless tech corps and other corps dedicated to DIE. Culturally run by blacks and white women with BPD. Overrun by crime. PD’s replaced by social workers.

    Paid for by white male drones, gay and straight.

    The only clinker in this is the military. Catastrophic defeat might be our only hope.

    • Agree: Kyle, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  69. @Chrisnonymous

    Well, put yourself in the position of an ordinary person who is not college educated.

    Depending on where they live, they will probably look around them and make an uneducated guess as to the percentage of the people in their town, city, county who are black, perhaps based on their experiences at school, in the supermarket and in the workplace.

    So people’s perceptions will vary.

    Perception of murder figures may be distorted because a high proportion of murders are people who belong to criminal gangs in certain cities murdering other people who also belong to criminal gangs, and many people in the general population are not living in gang infested areas, and are unaware of how prevalent this is.

    To reduce the number of black murders you need to do something about the favelas in places like the North side of Jacksonville, Florida where there are consistently a lot of murders over a long period of time.

    Although it seems like a very obvious thing to say, the reason why such areas consistently have a high number of murders is that a high number of criminals live there in multigenerational criminal families.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    , @J.Ross
  70. @Buzz Mohawk

    Ice Cube’s two business partners are Jewish. Well, I’m not sure of the woman but the guy, Jeff Kwatinetz (sp?) is Jewish.

  71. Barnard says:
    @PiltdownMan

    That is my impression also. The younger generation, who knows next to nothing, because they think they look online to find whatever they need to know, doesn’t want these statistics to even be compiled. To them it is hate and racism for the government to even keep track of how many crimes are committed by certain groups by race. The government will probably stop compiling this information within ten years.

    • Replies: @Redman
  72. The know these hatestats when buying a house in a fashionable neighborhood

    “They”

    I think this is a good description of the phenomena. The only thing I’d add is there seems to be an entropy factor at work where the smarter the lefty is, the more adamant and active they tend to be in assertion of platitude and virtue. It’s like they need to constantly be in a case of burning calories in order to sustain the protective ignorance. Thinking about this makes me realize something for the first time – these high entropy cases all tend to maintain their slim figure.

  73. Arclight says:

    I think one of the biggest disconnects between white elites (either higher income/higher education or prestige jobs in media/academia) and society is that they do not understand just how big of a cognitive and behavior gap there is between themselves and the bottom 30% of society. Along with that, they are largely insulated from interacting with them because they don’t live, work, or play in the same places, and underestimate just how many people fall into this bucket.

    Thus, they are usually pretty ignorant about hatestats – they assume the vast majority of the diverse live and think like they do, only they have smaller paychecks because of societal oppression. Many of these whites did not grow up going to diverse urban schools, have never lived in a neighborhood where the overwhelming majority of residents were of a different race and and lower economic/educational background, or supervise similar people in their daily jobs. Those that do have these experiences tend to be much more realistic about things, but that’s a minority of the woke whites.

    • Replies: @benjaminl
    , @vhrm
  74. @SFG

    B.S. sure as hell worked for Neil Furgeuson and his models , and they guy who came up with the fake hockey stick global warming graph. Well it worked for awhile anyway…

    • Replies: @res
  75. @Anonymous

    I doubt anyone thinks 40% of America is Jewish. But a poll once asked people how many “Jewish states” there are in the world and the median answer was about five.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @SFG
  76. This is in line with the subtle shift toward not necessarily denying the facts but insisting everyone needs to validate the deranged subjective perceptions of individuals.

    I noticed this when I replied to a “We’re listening” email I received from a local environmental group about how we need to encourage poc to use the outdoors so they will one day support environmental causes. The email said, in part,

    “But we know from experience and statistics that Black and Latinx families enjoy the outdoors much less than White families. We are learning that that disparity has many causes, among them fear of harassment and violence from law enforcement and other users. That fear feeds a vicious cycle of assumptions, stereotypes and habits.”

    I replied and told them that they lost my support because while I was sure the authors felt great about themselves for writing the email, calling your white supporters racists who create fear of harassment and violence in minorities is racist.

    The president of the organization responded that he wanted to clarify and say they did not believe the white supporters or park police or conservation officers were racist, but that black people often feel unsafe anyway. “Whether that fear is always justified in a particular place at a particular time is irrelevant because the fear is very real and has a solid basis in experience. I can’t deny that a black person who does not know the officers or is new to the woods might justifiably worry for their safety.”

    In other words, you and I both know that they aren’t in any danger whatsoever, but we can’t possibly challenge the deranged belief that conservation officers, hikers, and birdwatchers are hunting black people. That would be racist.

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
  77. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    I am ashamed to admit, as a Gen Xer, I didn’t know. I bought into the Bill Clinton Rose Garden – “We’re all the same”. I moved to a city in Texas that did not have a lot of Blacks. The ones we did have were professional athletes and talented tenths.

    It wasn’t until I started reading iSteve a decade ago that I started to truly understand. Many of the people I know just have no idea. They do not get it.

    And, remember, most people are innumerate.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  78. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I generally assume it’s like my earnest Roman Catholic siblings: Show them a piece of bread and ask them if it’s human tissue and they’ll say, “of course not!” But tell them it’s been consecrated by a priest, and they’ll say, “Well, yes, technically it is because [insert tedious knot of rhetorical epicycles here].”

    No doubt it’s a bad analogy, but just trying to illustrate my assumption that for progs, the decrees of those they consider “experts” on any given subject–especially morality–will trump their own intuition/common sense–at all times.

    In fact, deferring to authority is what makes them feel especially certain in whatever ridiculousness it is they’re espousing.

    Add to this that the “experts” are dictated by the MSM, which they all consume like a daily communion, and you’ve got everyone on the same page and therefore zero social pressure to question one’s views on things–and every motivation to burn the heretics at the stake.

  79. chedolf says:

    When I was growing up, it used to be that everybody knew this stuff…

    They probably didn’t. In my experience, most people vastly overestimate how much “common knowledge” there is.

    Back in the ’90s, I had a girlfriend in grad school who thought that 50% of Americans were black. (She’s now a tenured professor.) I had a neighbor who believed for most of her life that men and women have equal natural strength, and that observed differences result from sports/exercise. She found the truth counter-intuitive.

    Steve Sailer once wrote, “what goes unsaid eventually goes unthought.” It sometimes annoys me how much he repeats (and retweets) himself, but the repetition is probably necessary.

  80. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I ask myself the same basic question all the time — that is, which of the following is true?

    1 My proggy friends and relatives really believe the woke BS they’re spouting.

    2 My proggy friends and relatives know better, yet maintain an ongoing front of righteous wokeness, behind which roils a nasty soup of their own anxieties, prejudices, and selfish desires.

    Rather than posting or speaking HateStats, as Mr. Blank proposed, I have found it more fruitful to ask a pseudo-naive question of the subject. This usually reveals an answer while stirring less social dislocation than would a bald proclamation of statistical reality.

    Examples:

    A friend is virtue-talking against “eugenics”. (As it happens, he recently married himself a very pretty wife.)
    I casually ask if he chose his wife at random?
    He guffaws and grins a little.
    Conclusion: He knows the score. He needn’t bother virtue-signalling to me in the future.

    An extended family member is virtue-signalling against evil white racism at a family gathering.
    I ask if she wouldn’t rather move to [cheap but slummy black neighborhood] rather than staying in oppressive racist [middle class white neighborhood] where I happen to know she can barely make her rent.
    She immediately goes swivel-eyed, remonstrating in an increasingly shrill voice something-something-racism-something. None of which makes much sense nor answers my question. She looks like she will cry. I kind of knew this would happen.
    Conclusion: If she is not a true believer, she will sacrifice her dignity, scant sanity, and mascara before she admits it.

    A (((friend))) is on one of his routine rants against toxic racism and the violence of white people against innocent blacks.
    I ask if this is the cause of his recently moving his family to [iconically white area where I am visiting him]?
    He goes uncharacteristically silent, then starts to object that he’s not racist, when he notices a quadroon girl strolling nearby. “Look, there’s one right now!”
    Conclusion: He knows the score but will grasp at any straw to avoid admitting it.

    ——

    Saul Alinsky’s Rule for Radicals #4 is “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” Among friends rather than enemies there is no need to make anyone do anything. Still, innocently asking why they are not living up to what they claim to believe can be revealing. Sometimes a little too revealing.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Carol
    , @Ron Unz
  81. @william munny

    “Whether that fear is always justified in a particular place at a particular time is irrelevant because the fear is very real and has a solid basis in experience. I can’t deny that a black person who does not know the officers or is new to the woods might justifiably worry for their safety.”

    I would’ve responded that I have a fear that white people are being genocided. Should he take that concern seriously whether or not he agrees with it? Or would he call me a conspiracy theorist and neo-Nazi who should be classified as a domestic terrorist and treated to a drone strike?

    Rhetorical question is rhetorical.

  82. Hibernian says:
    @International Jew

    Thr Lord is sovereign and can suspend the rules any time He wants to. Intelligent Design, and continuing involvement. Plus believers don’t have to believe every miracle in the Bible really happened. (Fundamentalists do.) Some really happened (especially the Resurrection) and others are parables, although not labeled as such.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  83. eee says:

    Sometimes there will be a poll that tests how much people know about things like the percentage breakdown of the federal budget, and people always overestimate how much goes to welfare and foreign aid and the newspapers make a big deal out of it, so I thought it would be interesting if they did something similar for black crime, but of course they won’t.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  84. Spangel says:

    I also don’t know what the progressives really know. But I know that some very strident ones have admitted to some racist thoughts in the past. There was that girl who got into a drunk bar fight with another girl in college (over a man) and called her an affirmative action case that shouldn’t be at the college in the first place. Today her social media feed is filled with pictures of her heroic chants at protests.

    There was the man who admitted to me that he felt no attraction to black women and really only wanted to date white ones for many years. Guess what’s on his Facebook account now?

    There is my cousin who gave up nyc’s generous benefits package and salary for teachers to teach at Brearly so her daughters could go there on half tuition. She said she always mixed up the names of the two black girls in her grade who were there on scholarship. Funny enough, racist me has never mistaken one black person for another.

    There was my high school friend who claimed his wife got in the biggest fight with him because he called a passing black child an adorable pickaninny. On that day racist me learned that word from him.

    and now I see a kendo article circulating about how black neighborhoods are no more dangerous than white ones and how black people are no more dangerous that white ones. On Facebook, this article is shared and thumbed up by all the aforementioned people.

    What’s that all mean?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  85. @RichardTaylor

    I am a descendant of PA Quakers. Mom’s side got kick out during the Civil War after my great great grandfather was drafted. Rather than go to jail on principle of not serving, he paid someone to fight for him. My dad was raised Quaker. During WWII he was the designated family farmer so as to avoid service. That side of the family has to my knowledge hated big government and avoided all entanglements. Exactly how are they hypocrites? Seems like pacifism is just a way to avoid being a serf.

  86. Spud Boy says:

    I think most lefties are aware of these statistics, but they don’t understand how it got that way, and they are loathe to blame blacks themselves for their current situation.

    It’s like Bret Weinstein on Joe Rogan’s show the other day. Here’s an otherwise smart guy, who’s seen first hand how the new Marxist mobs can destroy someone, talking about slavery and the mindset it places in modern blacks. Please. Slavery is so far removed from modern blacks that I can’t believe smart people continue to mention it.

    The reality is that black family formation was doing fine until the advent of the welfare state in the 1960s, which paid women to have more children, with payments cut if the man stuck around to raise his kids. So now we have the black culture of baby mamas, street thugs and generally entitled people who don’t respect authority of any kind.

    And who’s fault is that? White liberals, who can’t seem to comprehend unintended consequences, killing the black family with “kindness.”

    It’s really not more complicated than that.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  87. @slumber_j

    Agree, especially among journalists.

    Just as psychologists tend to be crazier than average, journalists tend to be more ignorant than average.

    That’s why you should never take advice from either of those professions unless your source is highly vetted (like our host).

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  88. Redman says:
    @Black-hole creator

    But what year did this taboo really start in earnest? When I graduated college in 1991, NWA was a very popular group. Whites were able to use the N-word fairly easily as long as the context was clearly not intended to offend.

    At some point that all ended. IMO it was the GoodWhites (the Dana Carvey church lady types) who caused the change. Not blacks. It was probably the cultural Marxist revolution coming out of academia.

  89. eric says:

    Most journalists believe that Blacks are just like whites in intelligence and criminality, only they are punished more by police and discriminated against in the workplace, creating the socio-economic disparities we see.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @James Speaks
  90. Jim Lahey says:
    @megabar

    What natural phenomenon allowed Moses to part the Red Sea? Did the water really turn into wine? What was the stoichiometry of that process? How about the loaves and fishes? Did Jesus really die, biologically speaking, on the cross, only to be resurrected days later?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  91. dearieme says:
    @International Jew

    Five, eh? So Israel, NYC, Hollywood, North London … what was the popular choice for fifth?

    Perhaps this shouldn’t be a joking matter, but what other kind of matter could it be? Five, eh?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  92. gregor says:

    I think people must know on some level. They absolutely know blacks commit crime and do poorly in school. One funny thing is how liberals are so good at divining what the racists are thinking and that’s because the same thoughts are occurring to them. Many articles read like a response to an imaginary racist (really themselves). I think what happens though is that people are very practiced in catching themselves when they have a taboo thought and their automotic cope reflex kicks in. So they see blacks misbehaving but they immediately explain it away because of poverty, white supremacy, lack of programs, lead exposure, and whatever other excuses. Conservatives do this as well although they might emphasize different solutions (tax cuts, small government, faintly values). Whatever it is the explanation can NEVER just be RACE. What makes you a “racist” is when you begin applying Occam’s razor to what is right in front of your face. Oftentimes it almost feels like a flex: “We know what you are thinking but we dare you to say it.”

    There’s also a feedback loop where once antiracism has been imposed on a society as the greatest virtue, people will then begin responding to the incentives that are in place. Social media exacerbates this. The current climate is ideal for producing fanatics.

  93. @Anonymous

    I wish I had a unz-software-response bigger than an [Agree]. I have seen all this myself. Retired people especially spend lots of time with the 24/7 Infotainment off the idiot plate. After a few years of it the Establishment Narrative starts to stick. Oh, and they have plenty of time to go vote, somewhere between the doctor’s appointment and the Early Bird special. ;-}

    Regarding the TV shows and movies, my Dad used to tell us of the agenda long, long ago. I understand now how right he was. Funny thing is, even though, once he had retired, he was in front of the TV a whole lot, his very principled mind did not let him get sucked in by (most of) the narrative. He was no ordinary person in that regard.

    .

    PS: Thank you for showing your stand on this so-called Pope (Gotta scroll down there). I’m not a Catholic, so I don’t mind at all telling anyone who asks that he’s a “liberation theology” Commie who actively works with his statements to hasten the fall of Christianity … not on purpose, of course, but the road to hell … he ought to know the rest.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  94. @SFG

    Right Thinking People would grudgingly admit the disparity in violent crime, but ascribing any HBD reason for it remains Crimethink. Members of the Outer Party are beginning to feel the effects of Party doctrine with Section 8 and the Great Displacement from the housing projects, something the proles had experienced a generation prior with “blockbusting”, but the Inner Party is, well, the Inner Party, insulated from the effects of things they speak freely of, but if an Inner Party member takes you into their confidence and speaks freely, know that it is a trap that only leads to that basement room in the Ministry of Love.

    There is the belief that the disparity is purely the legacy of the kind of shunning that takes place in employment and housing and schooling classified under the rubric of racism, and there is strong belief in Magic Dirt, that is, with the right “environment” everything will be made right.

    Think of that unfortunate health-club trainer and his physician wife in the City of Ulyanov, who according to the prosecution presentation at a preliminary hearing, were abducted from their home in an upscale neighborhood at gunpoint, taken half-clad to a conservation park operated by Great Lakes University (hence the Great Lakes University Police, derisively viewed by some as glorified mall cops, have jurisdiction on the murder investigation instead of the UPD) and executed, by a man or men with a personal connection to their adopted daughter, as in, one of them was the live-in boyfriend of their daughter in a living arrangement the victims had themselves arranged. A good “environment” triumphs over all, except, when it doesn’t?

  95. It really isn’t complicated to understand the white liberals. They are beneficiaries of grand daddies’ GI Bill college education. A bill that drove a wedge between the brightest and their birth communities. Consequently liberals don’t want to admit their great grandpa was a coal miner, factory worker, steel mill worker, or even worse…. a common dirt farmer. They much rather think their superiority hails from either being old world aristocrats, one off of being Jewish, or even ancestors that owned a plantation. Throw in that their lowly extended clan are deplorables who voted for Trump. The basis for their hissy fit is complete.

    The white liberal thinks the black man as a pet who is attacking those extended very bad clan types. They think a treat or two will placate them. To further their breakdown of thought, the liberal women aren’t desired. Instead they have to make themselves easy. That is literally driving them insane. Also the younger ones can’t figure out with all educated liberal mumbo jumbo, they are giving the Indian H1 visa holder their future. So they double down, thinking that the world is merely their indulgent parents. #hissyfitsmatter

    Finally you have that segment of boomers that are reliving their golden years. Most of those types have fried their brains on years of pot smoking and their current use of psyche meds. I congratulate the perpetual protesting boomer on finally coming to the realization that they are nuts. The National Guard at Kent State did nothing wrong. If we should survive, they should get a statute.

  96. @Chrisnonymous

    If all you see in your media consumption is one thing, you’ll think that one thing is preeminent. Remember when people thought 25% of the population was homosexual? That was because that’s all they saw in the media.

    BTW, I’m still not seeing any pride junk anywhere. Are we really going to completely forget about all those suffering homos and bis and trannies?

  97. I don’t think that the average person’s lifestyle choices to live in certain neighborhoods, want good schools, etc. have anything to do with an underlying accurate knowledge of demographic statistics. I think the results are self-evident and it doesn’t require someone know anything about racial disparities in crime or anything like that.

    The same preferences keep them away from trailer parks and other trashy whites as well. People want to spend their mortgage dollars on a house in a neighborhood with well kept homes, well painted, picket fence, swimming pools, without derelict cars in the yard, well mowed, no crime, well presenting children in a lovely school with all the sports and drama programs, and so forth. These things just also so happen to not include certain groups of people.

    I don’t think the progs make the connection. They are true believers and they actually think that the neighborhood would be just the same if blacks or Mexicans lived there, but evil whitey is keeping them out because racism. They actually think it’s systemic racism that whites live in a certain neighborhoods and blacks live in certain other neighborhoods — that whites get to live in the nice neighborhoods and blacks get stuck in the ghetto. Magic dirt.

    • Agree: vhrm
  98. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s PC-cult-think, a secular religion. Cult members and religious zealots don’t respond to hard, cold facts. You can’t talk someone out of their religion. Cult deprogrammers have been hired by family members to deprogram individuals they were concerned about but it’s a difficult, one at a time process. The educational system as well as various media such as movies, tv shows, commercials, etc have been pushing the same brainwashing lines for the past two generations. One retired teacher I know who was a liberal-lefty of the milder variety seems to have shifted away sharply in view of recent events. He stated that where he lived, worked and his family, that point of view was the only one he was exposed to so he simply parroted it. Having gotten out of most of that environment he’s gotten other viewpoints which have caused him to reevaluate his prior points of view. Most people will cling to their cult because it gives them that warm, virtuous feeling.

  99. Yngvar says:

    They know these hatestats when buying a house in a fashionable neighborhood.

    A buddy recently relocated and took me on a virtual tour of his new McMansion. It is amazing that you can ‘walk around’ inside houses like that. Then he brought up a data map of the school districts and crowed about their kids being assigned to ‘good schools’. Since 4chan and iSteve have warped my fragile little mind, I blurted out “Not to many negroes”. He didn’t say a word. We still speak. Yes, he is a Tesla fanatic.

  100. Stirner says:

    Some of the younger progressives seem to truly be ignorant of the facts, or as others have observed they have been conditioned to recoil from hate statistics as a form of badthink.

    The more insightful progressives who know the score on some level are more complicated. I don’t think they are necessarily cynical where they actually believe in red pill truths, but they virtue signal to score a better place in the social hierarchy.

    Instead, I think they wrestle with their belief, like any other religious adherent. They do believe it on some level, but some days they struggle with believing it, but ultimately they know deep in their hearts that it is what good and moral people believe, and they need to believe it too, despite the facts.

    What they really are are just hypocrites. Lawrence Auster labeled their hypocrisy the Unprincipled Exception. They hold all the prog cant to be absolutely true, but when little Suzie needs to go to school somehow it’s the white charter school or the white private school that is just a “better fit” for it. They are just trying to be good parents, it has nothing to do with the hate demographics of “good schools.”

    • Replies: @Kronos
  101. Spangel says:
    @slumber_j

    I’m sure nearly everyone is unaware of the actual murder stats, but the difference between blacks and whites is something manifest in thousands of stats which one would think people are at least directionally familiar with.

    I count myself as an even more extreme example than Steve of a person who doesn’t have instincts about things they don’t know. Some people here say “deep down” others know what blacks are like. I know myself that I didn’t know. I grew up in areas over 90% white and had selective enough exposure to blacks that years ago, I assumed that they were only slightly poorer and less educated and not much else. The powers that be told me it was because of historical discrimination and I didn’t think much about accepting that assumption.

    Nothing about my own interaction with blacks changed my opinion. Not even seeing bad neighborhoods, which I didn’t even process as black neighborhoods. I actually thought those neighborhoods had poor people, including poor white drug addicts and such.

    I understood racial differences after years of reading. It started with matt Ridley’s book where he explained how adopted children are far more like their biological parents in all respects than their adoptive parents. And then I came to understand that poverty didn’t explain the extent of the difference in outcomes between blacks and whites.

    I can believe many of my colleagues that spout BLM nonsense don’t know or understand the facts. But then I have some who have come in contact with facts so often it’s impossible to understand how they have no suspicions.

    I know a social worker in nyc and a teacher who did tfa in the ghetto. How can they not know what they see with their own eyes every day? at that point there must be tremendous denial involved.

    But hey, people still believe the Bible is God’s word in the face of the knowledge accumulated by the modern world. How can one really believe a man rose from the dead at this point? Do they not know the raw deal deep down? But they claim faith, and they go to church and they donate.

    BLM is a religion. Religions appear to me to be about the exhilaration people feel when they collectively affirm something that contradicts evidence and gives them a more comforting picture of the world. But on some level they may know that the evidence is not there.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @FPD72
  102. @Charon

    Seeing them more and more. Mark my words, before long you’ll need one to keep your house/office/store from being ransacked. And a bumper sticker on your car–maybe a license plate slogan, courtesy of your state.

    Hmmm …

    BLM is not 666. But it certainly looks like the mark of the Beast, and I’m not given much to religion.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  103. @eric

    That might be true now, because as I just said we are living in a fact-free zone. But from my own past experience journalists were well aware that blacks posed serious problems — but we were the ones who felt guilty and embarrassed. It’s like when someone gets loud and obnoxious in public, that person is feeling no shame but the friends and family with him at the time are deeply embarrassed and apologetic.

    Look at the latest wave of newspapers that will no longer run mugshots of (typically black) suspects. This was an issue when I started out 45 years ago — we still ran the mugshots but there was deep white guilt that we couldn’t recruit enough blacks for the newsroom. And reporters got leaned on hard to include blacks in stories that had nothing to do with crime or race.

  104. @eric

    Then the thing to do is to establish a news bureau and send out press releases with the data to news organizations. Facts only. Speak truth to power.

  105. Bruno says:

    A leftist friend of mine said to me last year , I am so happy to leave in the 6th arrondissement of Paris (very posh) because there is no racist people voting far right or speaking about unpleasant topic

    I thought she was at the same time very happy not to leave with the scum !

    It’s a hate against the <115 IQ average white families, those families are 95% of the White people (I know 115 is 1/6th, 115 average would be 33%, but rich family endogamous enough and elitist to get an average of 115, is less than 5% of non Jewish whites)

    It’s a class war.

  106. I was maybe never a goodthinker on race, but neither was I a badthinker until this blog cleared me up nine years ago. I lived in some rough areas as a kid and witnessed the LA riots first-hand. I knew that ghettos were disproportionately NAM and that ghettos had high crime, but I didn’t (and still don’t) know what percentage of NAMs live in ghettos, so those two facts did not directly lead to the inference of higher crime rates among NAMs. Still, I had a sense that it was true. If you showed me the crime stats 10 years ago, I would not have been surprised. I would have guessed it could be put entirely down to environmental factors. I know that if you’re a young guy in Compton, you can be pressured by violence to join a gang. Mix with teenage hormones and of course this drives up crime rates. This is “poverty causes crime.”

    The key for me was IQ differences. I had honestly never heard that there were genetic differences of cognitive significance between races. My first reaction to exposure to the evidence was that if there were a difference, this fact would be so hugely important that certainly someone would have told me by now. I’m statistically literate so the reaction did not survive my evaluation of the evidence. Others? Not so much.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  107. jilla2 says:

    I don’t think people have a sense of statistics at all. I was speaking with an intelligent but wishy washy liberal family member and he was shocked that black represent only 13% of the population. I have an Ivy MBA friend who works in high finance – I would say his political views are typical of people of that background – and he has no idea about black related crime statistics. He takes a very analytical approach to everything except his view of black people.

  108. jb says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s not like this information isn’t available to the public! National Review had a very good recent article which includes discussion of the numbers, and I’ve certainly seen them mentioned elsewhere. But you never see those numbers in the liberal media, like the New York Times, and most liberals — including I think liberal journalists themselves — never read anything other than the liberal media. So yes, I think on the whole liberals are mostly as ignorant as they appear to be.

    Beyond that, as John Derbyshire has pointed out, most people, even intelligent and educated people; aren’t even really interested in cold truth; what they are interested in is using their intelligence and education to get ahead in life. What motive do they have to know things when knowing those things could only cause them trouble?

  109. Thomas says:

    I have a sense this captures the depth of understanding of crime statistics for 90% of the Eloi.

    https://vm.tiktok.com/JJarmAG/

  110. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Black woman in 2.7 percent black North Dakota demands that state legislators compel all cosmetologists to learn to do cornrows and other “ethnic” hairstyles and sell black hair products. Uff da, that’s … different.

    https://www.grandforksherald.com/business/6539129-Trio-hopes-to-petition-ND-Legislature-to-require-cosmetology-schools-teach-courses-for-all-hair-and-skin-types

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  111. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    As their prophet Muhammad is the Perfect Man to Muslims, the Negro is the Perfect Man to progressives. Criticism of either is blasphemy, and blasphemers must be punished up to and including being murdered for their sinful ways.

    And remember, Only Black* Lives Matter. Benign universalism, the brotherhood of man, is so white, so liberal, and so yesterday.

    *Substitute Han or Muslim as needed.

  112. SFG says:
    @International Jew

    I always figured they think, “Well, there are maybe a hundred Christian states, and maybe thirty Muslim ones, and there are fewer Jews, so maybe…five?”

    Christianity is apparently the state religion of 15 countries, Islam of 27, Buddhism of 2, and Judaism of 1. (2 if you count New York.)

  113. anon215 says:

    The answer is mixed. My mother actually believes that Michael Brown had his hands up in the air, begging for his life, and then Darren Wilson just executed him for no good reason. She simply discounts any other information which might challenge that narrative, and she TRULY believes in that narrative. It’s as if the TARDIS Perception Filter is real.

    Obviously, a big part of the problem is that the internet has become even better than the old print/network media was at narrative manipulation.

    Consider this: Unz.com is one of the last remaining corners of the internet with an open comments section, and Google has effectively hidden this site from public view. Do you remember when every major news site had an open, somewhat unmoderated comments section, where everybody was free to call B.S. and drop some hatestats, hategraphs, and hatefacts as counterargument to each article? It was an actual revolution. A breath of fresh air and a taste of freedom.

    Now we’re back to square one, but it’s even worse. It’s not longer an option to simply stay out of it. You MUST positively affirm the agenda or you’re Literally Hitler ™.

  114. So the United States is 50% black, 50% Jewish, 50% Hispanic, and let’s not forget the Asians, both East Asians and South Asians. I guess there is no more room for the European Americans. I would love to chat with the math genius who justifies those numbers.

    Some of the hysterical people you see screaming at the riots demanding that European Americans go back to Europe, but the Europeans are not so gullible on immigration as we are, even though they allow in all kinds of Third World “refugees” that are overwhelmingly young men of fighting age. Trouble brewing there too.

    Actually I think deep down they know they need us to keep things running or the country would slowly wind down to the same state of being as the African nations have, years after the colonialist left as basic infrastructure built by Europeans crumbles. But they would want us to function as indentured servants.

  115. @RichardTaylor

    I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown.

    I think it goes back to the old Quaker problem. A certain type of person will be a hypocrite as long as he can get away with it. If he knows other people will do the fighting and policing, he will play the pacifist (or “anti-racist”). And he’ll use rationalistic complexity to justify him getting one deal and others getting another.

    Maybe it’s the same thing with the old legalistic Pharisees who got on Jesus’s nerves. It’s not hypocrisy meant to make the system work for all. It’s a self-dealing variety that harms the general population.

    The only way you turn a pacifist Quaker into a Fighting Quaker, is to stop protecting them. You gotta throw them to the sharks.

    This is a very good articulation of what we are dealing with at the moment. The only thing I would add to it is that in our present case the free riding Quakers feel some pangs of guilt or hypocrisy, which they assuage by fighting those protecting them in an exhibitionist manner. I suppose this is a particularly stupid example of projection.

  116. Looks like Trump, the POTUS that gave us the bump-stock ban Executive Order, who won’t lift the ban on foreign assault rifles, who cries about how important the Second Amendment is, is trying to dump your pistol braces into the fire as well:

  117. Alfa158 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Two days ago during a walk at the beach I saw a BLM sign taped to the inside window of a house. This is an area where the houses run at $10 million dollars for the postage stamp beach front lot, plus whatever the value of the house is. Other houses sport rainbow flags and those little posters that go on about everyone being welcome here no matter where they are from, we are all brothers, the peace on earth wooden posts engraved in several languages etc.
    Imagine how many Black people live within miles of that sign, but we did have a peaceful BLM march along the beach by several hundred White people last week.
    Our local Nextdoor featured a comment to a discussion on the riots and demonstrations by a young woman who lives slightly farther inland where houses start at only $2.5 million dollars. Her comment was “You racist assholes need to check your white privilege”. I guess she checked hers and decided to keep living where she is anyway, I was tempted to respond with my usual Weisenheimer quip which is “I check my White privilege all the time; when it’s low I add a quart”. Good thing I didn’t, the CEO of Nextdoor sent a broadcast message to all members that racist commenters will be ejected from the site. I was happy to see that Nextdoor allows you to block anyone including her so I did that. So far I haven’t been removed.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Ed
  118. The Deep State fiddles the figures. 7.9 x huge underestimate.

    Downgrade charges to manslaughter

    Include anyone with European ancestry as White when a perp

    Pressurize juries, judges to equalize stats

    Etc…

  119. slumber_j says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Certainly true about the shrinks.

  120. “The know these hatestats when buying a house in a fashionable neighborhood.”

    As do the real estate brokers. When my wife and I were looking to buy a house we tried out different brokers. When we would mention certain neighborhoods, in all cases they would all reply with the same answer : “Uh..no. You don’t want to live THERE.”

  121. Thomas says:

    It also should be obvious that racial liberalism is inversely correlated with actual proximity to diversity.

    Sixty years ago, White Southerners had to be crushed by law because Whites in the rest of the country couldn’t understand why they were so mean to blacks. (Until busing came to their cities.) Southerners, of course, had many generations of familiarity with blacks that the rest of the country didn’t.

    Thirty years ago, Whites everywhere knew you stayed out of heavily black ghettos. Then the government tore down the housing projects and dispersed the ghettos with Section 8.

    Now, for many educated and upper class White cloud people, the only experiences they’re ever likely to have with blacks are either mediated through the media or else are with carefully selected, curated Talented Tenth types. (Obama being the quintessential example.) Well over 90% of Black America doesn’t exist to these people except as an abstraction.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  122. theMann says:

    There are two fundamental questions:

    1. Is the female brain, generally speaking, capable of rational thought? Clearly not, for most females, once an idiot prejudice is lodged in their brains, no amount of counterfactuals will ever dislodge it. In fact, their brains may qualify as functionally insane. To give one example, do you really think when some White woman is being beaten or murdered by her Black paramour, her last thought is “wow, I guess they really are prone to irrational violence” or is it “what did I do Wroooong….”. How is the hysterical shrieking over “racism, Racism, RASCISM” in any way whatsoever different than “Witch, Witch, burn the Witch!!!”. Have any of you ever even tried to convince a woman that porcupines can’t shoot their quills? Ok, that is a very rural example, but how many of you have ever physically demonstrated right in front of a woman’s eyes, the proof of something, only to have them stomp off shrieking about trickery.

    The simple fact of the matter is that their Egotism, combined with their monumental Vanity, makes them incapable of admitting error, especially if a man is demonstrating that error. They view facts as a personal assault upon themselves, so there can NEVER be any reasoning with them.

    2. Every single human being on the planet who has ever had to deal with more than two Blacks in their life understands perfectly well that they are a Race apart from the rest of humanity, and AS A RACE incapable of ever being integrated into an advanced technological society. Every single time one of these (male, I have already analyzed the female) Wokester liars starts spouting off about Racism this, privilege that, smash them in the face with their lies. I tell them move to Haarlem, move to Inglewood, better yet, move to Lagos. Insist that they put their lives on the line helping Blacks to create a pleasant, crime free, high technology society worth living in. Because Blacks are just darker skinned versions of other people, so help make them accountable.

  123. Lugash says:

    I don’t know how people can live this way without going crazy. I look at my lefty friends, and they seem so normal and well-adjusted. I don’t know how they can keep all those plates spinning in their heads without eventually suffering a nervous breakdown. But then again, maybe that explains what we’re seeing now…

    There’s not a logical control process to spinning the plates. I can’t find the right words, but their minds shift or ignore the blame when a plate crashes. The Rayshard shooting has been an amazing example of this. Watching the Narrative shift blame from Brooks to the officers for not calling him an Uber has been amazing.

  124. @Anonymous

    Ah yes, television programming.

  125. slumber_j says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Plenty of that going on in this here tiny, extremely white rural town in Connecticut: 8 blacks in a population of 1660, or under half a percent.

  126. Gang Initiation: An act of individual self-disintegration demanded by a gang to integrate the erstwhile individual into the group.

    The resulting abuse of individual agency and lack of individual integrity is not a bug, but a feature, of group integrity. Abrogation of individual agency to compartmentalize integrity within the individual debilitates the individual, making him more dependent on the group’s agency and power to, at its pleasure, compensate in precisely those areas of disability.

  127. tyrone says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    What did you think surrender would look like?

  128. @Almost Missouri

    My kids grew up in a lovely close in suburb of DC where the average home price is > $900k. She went looking for a place to buy in the Maryland suburbs last year. She came home one day and was ranting about what shitholes (her word) most of the places were. She was hot to buy a row house in Baltimore, even after I’d told her it was a dangerous place, until some guy got killed at 4pm a few blocks over. She ended up by saying she never knew how nice her home neighborhood was. She ended up not buying, and her realtor said she was so glad.

    But who can blame her? She went to the local “good schools”, a prestigious state Y, and never encountered, much less lived around, any NAMs other than the talented tenth. She supported Bernie and Fauxchohontas because “they care about people”.

    She’s a smart kid, but she has been drinking the Kool-aid for a long time.

  129. Jesse says:

    The real class warfare in this will be between the cynics/compartmentalizers, and the whites who don’t get the joke. It will be interesting to see who lets the blacks in – and who stays once it happens. You do have to wonder if the whole point is for the cripplingly naive to out themselves.

  130. Rob Lee says:
    @Anonymous

    This is why ‘unplugging’ is such a double-edged sword. Reducing your consumption of the ‘Narrative’ and beginning a simple diet of pattern recognition will ‘red pill’ you quite effectively, but at the same time it pushes you out of the ‘respectable public circle’ and you become persona non grata; socially unacceptable.

    It’s analogous to that old sci-fi movie with Roddy Piper entitled ‘They Live.’ When Piper’s character finds special glasses that enable him to see the aliens hiding beneath their public camouflage, he also finds – to his dismay – that ‘they’ can see him seeing them. His awareness – and their recognition of his awareness – identifies him as an outcast to be hated and hunted.

    It’s obvious that in the case where Ron Unz spoke to social scientists only to find that some were absolutely aware of the race / crime hatefacts, their silence on the subject was purely self-protective. After all, the tallest blade of grass gets cut first.

  131. Carol says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I asked an innocent question of earnest young white-lady teachers at reddit. They wanted ideas for antiracism curriculum in light of BLM George Floyd et al. One said 99% of the teachers at her school were white.

    Why aren’t there more black teachers? I asked.

    A few admitted they didn’t know and seemed nonplussed. Another said they’re so rare that they can work at nicer schools. And one that can graduate college can do better than teach anyway.

    Finally the Regulation Reddit Radical came to the rescue and pulled out the systemic racism card. Blah blah blah.

    I swear the younger ones are clueless, and they dismiss the older hard-nosed teachers as old racists because of course they do.

  132. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Stereotypes are too close to the truth, and the truth is taboo in an order committed to Tales and Idols.

    Narratypes and Ideotypes must be favored.

    ——————-

    Stereotype: ‘Thug’ as crime stats show.

    Narrative-type or Ideological-type: ‘Gentle Giant’, as if reality is like BLIND SIDE or GREEN MILE

  133. @Chrisnonymous

    About 20 years ago I was listening to a radio talk show . The host said there was a poll out in which the American public though the USA was 35 % black.

  134. No actual baseball games in sight, but the Twins score some virtue runs by removing former owner Calvin Griffith’s statue — no doubt saving some already overworked mob the trouble of having to topple it. Don’t bother libs with current crime stats, but if they can dig up a tasteless 50-year-old quote you are history. Or more accurately, removed from history.

    Meanwhile the Texas Rangers are being urged to change their name. Renegades, Pirates, Bandits, Raiders etc. remain OK but law enforcement is really bad.

  135. @Buzz Mohawk

    I would compare this willful ignorance to citizens of a dictatorship that is killing a lot of people. The citizens of the dictatorship when confronted with the crimes ordered by their leaders, invariably say:

    “I didn’t know about it.”

    This is well known about Nazi Germany, but I once saw a documentary on Stalin’s Russia, and Soviet citizens who lived under Stalin said the exact same thing.

  136. ia says:
    @Black-hole creator

    For a large segment of population, especially the educated elites, that one word can literally end your life as you know it. I do not know off the top of my head a historical parallel to that phenomenon in any culture.

    Images of Mohammed can cause your death but you could be a Muslim as well as a Kafir, I believe. Sacred artifacts cannot be touched by believers, or if they are held, they must be treated with reverence.

    Most likely blacks are playing a sly game with conscientious whites who like to follow rules. By breaking their own rules they display superiority to the dhimmi class. Also, constantly changing the rules 2nd-class citizens must follow, besides giving great pleasure, reinforces superior status by causing uncertainty and apprehension.

  137. Kaz says:

    People know the stats but still believes it’s all racism/poverty’s fault.

  138. Jesse says:
    @Thomas

    I do wonder how naive they actually are. A lot of the rhetoric about staying away from black people seems the same, once you strip away the more woke rationalizations.

    “Stay out of the projects” has morphed into keening about gentrification. Basically, it says you do NOT live near them, or other whites will look down on you.

    Instructions to not get too close have turned into loooooong talks about how all interracial interactions are fraught and unequal. “Don’t have mixed kids” is now talk about how haaaaard it is to raise them to be functional (and they really do make it sound both exhausting and humiliating).

    Talk of “cultural appropriation” is up market racial hygiene (don’t act like *them*!).

    Watch the other hand. Making it seem like a million times more work to be around other races will resonate with their target audience – their own children. If anyone else wants to take it seriously, well, that’s their problem.

  139. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Mania about “Systemic Racism” is Pathological Distraction from the reality.

    1. US’s main racial supremacism is support for oppression of Palestinians and Wars for Israel.

    2. American system goes out of its way to favor blacks. Blacks kill blacks and have so low confidence in black consideration of black lives that they outsourced and burdened the caring on whites(and others).

    “We blacks don’t about other blacks and be killing each other, so why you don’t YOU care about us, hon*ey?!”

    Naycism saying nay to the truth, is the systemic pathology of America. It has led to one of the biggest diagnosis of social problems. Blacks who cause the most problem are deemed the most essential to health of civilization. It’s like Quack Lies Matter.

    Quacks and Blacks, the media and the rioters.

  140. Blacks seem to be a self hating group. Why else would you ignore the opportunities afforded free, such as education, and instead dwell on every preceived aggression? What other group in this country causes so much harm to themselves and other blacks? I will throw out just two examples of a half a dozen I can recall. Major Harris, cool ass name, was an aspiring…no he wasn’t aspiring to be anything. Little Major was just 3 when he was shot and killed in Cleveland. Tysaun Lee was well on his way to becoming, who knows. Ty was just 9 years old when two members of a gang dragged him into a Chicago alley, terrorized him, and shot him dead. Reason? His father was in a rival gang. There are way more examples out there, 3 month old, five month old, five years old, 10 years old. Sickening. I don’t hate anyone. I do hate where this division in my country in leading.

  141. @Chrisnonymous

    Seems that I read something years ago that claimed that whites estimated the black percentage of the population a few points higher than it actually was while blacks thought it was dozens of points higher than reality.

  142. @David In TN

    About 20 years ago I was listening to a radio talk show . The host said there was a poll out in which the American public though the USA was 35 % black.

    IIRC, blacks consistently overestimate their proportion of the U.S. population to be 35-40%.

    It helps to explain in some measure why they’re upset – they probably expect 40% of CEOs, etc. to be black.

  143. @RichardTaylor

    The only way you turn a pacifist Quaker into a Fighting Quaker, is to stop protecting them. You gotta throw them to the sharks.

    Ever seen Friendly Persuasion (1956 film)?

  144. Mmw says:
    @slumber_j

    In law school – 2011 I believe – our crim professor (an old and extremely honest lefty) showed them to the class and there were audible gasps.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  145. In retrospect, the UVA rape hoax reminds me of the current wave of BLM butt-kissing: the contorted narrative, the immediate dismissal of any countervailing narrative by the clerisy, the white female amen chorus, the destruction of property, the cult-like moral panic.

  146. @J

    Blacks, Jews and gays are vastly overrepresented in the media’s fantasyland view of real life, along with a handful of Nice White Women with black, jewish or gay friends. Indians, Asians and Hispanics occasionally gain some traction but WASPy men have been in full retreat for years.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  147. Black lives matter, so they say,
    But not for me;
    Juneteenth is a holiday,
    But not for me.
    Which teenth of June’s the date—
    Thir-? Fif-? Six-? Seven-? Eight-?-—
    The date they celebrate
    Slaves going free?

  148. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve had hardcore do-gooder relatives commit their lives to altruism only to see it all blow up in their faces. They then became seriously depressed and stayed that way. Their lives lost meaning.

    The beliefs of liberals are a psychological defense mechanism against seeing a Darwinian world for what it actually is. That world is simply too depressing for them to contemplate. They want to make a utopia out of a jungle because the jungle is too horrible for them to accept its existence.

  149. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Did you get that thing I sent you?

  150. @slumber_j

    That’s an enlightening anecdote. I have also learned from experience not to be surprised about the things “educated” people actually don’t know.

    Imagine if you had tried to tell your dinner companion about the statistics on black IQ!

  151. El Dato says:

    We are reaching new levels of self-abasement every single day.

    Isn’t there something in the bible concerning an interdiction to not prostrate yourself before black rappers?

    US Chick-Fil-A’s CEO takes knee & shines shoes of black rapper to win pardon for whites’ ‘shameful oblivion’

    Explaining his anti-racism stance, Cathy said, “Our silence is so huge at this time. We cannot be silent.”

    He called on white Americans to recognize “the level of frustration and exasperation, and almost the sense of hopelessness that exists within the African American community”.

    The CEO admitted that there were “conscious and unconscious biases” within his corporation, and some Caucasian staff who made their black “brothers and sisters” feel they weren’t being treated with honor, dignity, and respect.

    “Every day, razor trains remove blacks from their their ghettos and take them to Nova Prospekt, never to be seen again.”

    A number of white-owned businesses in the US have also proffered an apology for their racist practices in the past, though concerns have been raised as to whether all of them were sincere or had just attempted to capitalize on the situation.

    I guess someone has to sent in “examinators” (suitably equipped with Mauser C96) to get to the bottom of whether these apologies have indeed been sincere.

    • Replies: @128
    , @Harry Baldwin
  152. Of course, progressives don’t know your “hate stats”.

    Go out to Facebook and review “The Nation’s” page. The authors don’t know them. The commenters don’t know them. I take great joy in pointing them out and the vituperation from my fellow commenters is another source of great satisfaction.

    I’m sure I’ll be blocked before long, but until then it is good mindless fun.

  153. nymom says:

    I also think another factor not mentioned in the article is that we have raised a whole generation of white children being very sheltered from reality about these issues.

    Some good number of them spent their lives living in sheltered communities and suburbs far enough away from US urban areas that they never experienced living on a day-to-day basis in a mostly black community. They probably had a few middle class black kids in school as their classmates who, because the numbers were so low, basically blended in and never caused the trouble they generally cause when they morph into a majority force. Thus, these white kids got the notion that they could go anywhere, live anywhere and be treated exactly the same way as they grew up.

    Another example is middle class children who live in urban areas, but are sheltered because their parents have money. So they live in an expensive enclaves and go to private or semi-private public schools, never venture on the subways and rarely interact with kids outside of their social circle. They never experienced getting jumped and beaten up practically every other day at a majority black school because they never attended one.

    So this sheltering of children from reality is the basis of a lot of what is going on today in the US…

    Tessa Majors is a good example of this….Her parents are now upset because one of her teenage killers just got sentenced to 18 months in prison, he could be out in 6…He’s only 14 and has plenty of time to commit another murder…

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @anon
  154. Currahee says:
    @RichardTaylor

    They purposely live in shark-free environments. Like to watch shark movies.

  155. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    And yet when I talk to some of them, there is a guileless earnestness that makes me suspect that #1 actually applies.

    It’s a fascinating topic to pursue.

    I think it’s tied to the boomers facilitating the breakdown of the American family unit, while celebrating its demise. A fairly recent study concluded that people suffering from “Trump Derangement Syndrome” most often had extremely poor relationships with their fathers. I’ve noticed this to be true.

    In any case, a functional family most often ensures children develop a sense of identity. Without it, a young adult will fall prey to any crackpot grifter who comes across them. Grifters know their clientele. Cult leaders intuitively understand the character profile of potential devoted members. Young adults, since they have no sense of self-possession, let alone an intuitive feel for authenticity, will latch on to the paternal figure who most aligns with their perverse, shallow abstraction of what a “good daddy” is, and revolt against “bad daddies.” They can’t successfully decide between a “good leader” or a bad one, since they never lived with an example of what a good leader is. Some reject the notion of leadership altogether. Since their real dad was such a shitshow, why introduce another failure who will disappoint and betray you. Hence, the girly-man anarchists.

    And finally, the far left angle of our nations most prolific grifters, the tenured social theory professors, will ensure that young radical nitwits will be spewing onto the american stage for generations to come.

    These people are just getting started.

    Those who wish to affect change should occupy Harvard and Yale. Until the Ivy League experience “the American republic matters,” expect more bloodshed, wasted lives, and wretched outcome across our great landscape. Harvard and Yale are hurting people.

  156. @Jonathan Mason

    To reduce the number of black murders you need to do something about the favelas in places like the North side of Jacksonville, Florida where there are consistently a lot of murders over a long period of time.

    Wherever you move the Blacks to, there will be new favelas.

    Favelas aren’t just pieces of tragic dirt.

  157. Tessa Majors is a good example of this….

    I am sorry Tessa is dead, but I have yet to hear just WTF she was doing in Morningside Park. Everyone in the Columbia neighborhood knows that it’s a dangerous. place.

  158. Gordo says:
    @Thoughts

    I saw something else yesterday that I can’t repeat…let’s just say BLM is causing some white girls here in Scandinavia to want to create more Obamas…at any cost…even if their own bodies say ‘no’

    Its a form of self-harm.

  159. S says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I think it goes back to the old Quaker problem. A certain type of person will be a hypocrite as long as he can get away with it. If he knows other people will do the fighting and policing, he will play the pacifist (or “anti-racist”).

    It’s not hypocrisy meant to make the system work for all. It’s a self-dealing variety that harms the general population.

    The only way you turn a pacifist Quaker into a Fighting Quaker, is to stop protecting them. You gotta throw them to the sharks.

    That’s a good take, perhaps this mindset being reinforced by self delusion and the cult like aspects of progressivism.

    The so called ‘progressives’ go far back in the United States, even prior to the US Civil War, and they called themselves ‘progressives’ too.

    If the rest of the country could somehow have succesfully separated themselves from them during the 19th century, there’s a real chance the progressives would have destroyed themselves by now, and become a byword to the world.

    It would have been said they ‘progressed’ themselves to their own destruction.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

  160. Neuday says:
    @Black-hole creator

    I would think there have been several cultures where only members of a priestly caste could utter certain words or incantations with very severe penalties to violators. That only Blacks can say the “N-word” is simply yet another indication of our culture’s Negrolotry. Why, even when they loot or violently resist lawful arrest, they remain holy, the poor dears.

  161. @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon, most adults have feelings that align along their experiences. It only takes one bad personal experience to color your feelings toward any individual or group.

  162. Trinity says:

    You can’t TRUST “hate stats” because they discriminate against Whites and coverup Black on White violence. GREAT EXAMPLES: The Wichita Massacre and The Knoxville Horror rape-torture murders were never prosecuted as “hate crimes.” A lot of “robberies gone bad” or “youths attack elderly man” stories out there. Also, a big difference between putting cotton balls outside a Black frat house and a Black woman abducting a 12 year old white kid and burning him to death with a blowtorch. The cotton balls are probably listed as a “hate crime” while the “blowtorch murder” is probably just a murder according to the “experts.”

  163. @Buzz Mohawk

    That was miles away from any Black person. Miles and miles.

    That’s where these things predominate.

    Precisely among well to do people off in some leafy high income neighborhood safely disconnected from black crime and dysfunction, who are feverishly signaling their virtue … and that they have nothing in common with some low-rent schlub who has to make a living arresting–and wrestling with–black drug dealers.

  164. Bucky says:

    They genuinely do not know.

    As in, I’ve talked to published journalists who genuinely are unaware of the statistics. And once I presented the facts, the journalist then went on to try to find an excuse for it as if it were a moral contest and not about pragmatic what do you do about crime.

    Because with journalism nowadays it is all a moral competition.

  165. @PennTothal

    Penn, I commented on another post that I was trying to find the value of a very old photo of eight naked black baby boys. The photo was titled “Alligator Bait.” A quick online search brought up articles and postings by people who actually believed slave owners used as valuable property, a slave child, as bait, when a piece of chicken on a hook would do.

  166. Neuday says:
    @Anonymous

    I live in a very White part of the country. Hardly any Blacks at all, and just a smattering of Mexicans, but when the local news reports on some crime, either violent or using stolen credit cards, the accused is quite often Black or Mexican. How do people not notice how odd that is?

  167. Forbes says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The route to avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance is ignorance. You can’t simultaneously hold two contradictory concepts, ideas, beliefs when you’re ignorant of one of them. And if one of those is comprised of hatefacts, all the better to be ignorant.

    The presumed ignorance of “not noticing” is very popular. And the good feeling and high self-esteem of believing in “equality” means that human behavioral conduct is roughly on parity–and therefore, no identifiable group is an outlier committing crime, or other behaviors. We’re all alike, doncha know.

  168. Farenheit says:
    @dearieme

    50% of the population doesn’t know what 50% means.

    ..and 50% of the population is below average, which is an outrage for these people!

  169. @Anon

    ThreeThreeFive, grand idea. What could possibly go wrong when some petite white hair dresser messes up some (insert word here) cornrows or weave or extensions. Next up, all dentist have to learn how to make gold grills .

    • Replies: @bruce county
  170. @Black-hole creator

    This is a really interesting idea. Cognitive loading has a fairly robust body of literature. It is well known that when you under a cognitive load (such as the one you are describing–“triple-guarded and booby-trapped corner of the brain”) you will make other mental errors.

    Some researchers have used it to detect lying. (Place the subject under a cognitive load and the lie they are telling–another load–will start to fall apart.).

    By your hypothesis, only the neurotic, and above average intelligence types would be able to maintain it for any length of time.

    Walking around trying really hard not to say the N word or utter any other phrases or beliefs that are outside the acceptable window puts you under a load that the PTB can use against you in other areas of your life.

  171. Oh, I wouldn’t count on them actually knowing the statistics. I once had a very close relative excoriate me online for not knowing that women were the majority of murder victims and violent crime in general.

  172. Forbes says:
    @Spud Boy

    Slavery is a distraction–it’s what’s mention to avoid talking about the destruction of the (black) family, it’s what’s mentioned to avoid a discussion of welfare policies: that social welfare payments serve as a dis-incentive to human flourishing.

    “Unintended consequences” is the name given to the downside negative outcomes that occur as a result of the trade-offs in policy implementation–the devil in the details. Failure is never due to bad policy, which was about good intentions, but due to unintended consequences.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  173. El Dato says:
    @SFG

    It works in the sciences and engineering where BSing actually gets you nowhere.

    This has seen some change now that HR has taken over a lot of the decision-making of people who are supposed to actually “manage”. The latter are also more and more often of the “playing at being someone from the C-level” mold rather the The Right Stuff.

    It’s going to go down.

    • Replies: @Lugash
  174. JMcG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am a Catholic. He is purposefully destroying Christianity and the Church isnt lifting a finger to stop him.

  175. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘They don’t want to hear it. You’re mean and not worth listening to, and your numbers are mean.’

    this. this times one hundred.

    sadly the only remedy for this kind of fantasy thinking is a mugging

  176. @dearieme

    We might get somewhere with better messaging.

    Take the leading statement in this article ” …blacks are 7.9 times as likely as the rest of the population to be a murder offender…”

    This is likely to elicit a spasm in people who aren’t even lefty, because it evokes nature. Simply phrasing things in such a way as to leave the door open for nurture, is likely to soften the spasmotic response, hence it would be so much better to say:

    “…black [males between the ages of 17 and 32] are 7.9 times as likely as the rest of the population to be a murder offender…”

    Now as interlocutor of the lefty you are empowered to persist:

    Not black women – not all black men, and turns out, only black men in a particularly volatile time, a time made all the more volatile by the familial, socio-economic and paramilitary-occupational environmental conditions – they are the ones who seem to have a problem. Knowing this, lefty liberal, is there some more targeted work we can do that might help these poor souls?”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  177. @J

    What’s funny is that in Asia from Saudi Arabia to Japan the default assumption is still that America is a white country. I don’t know if it’s because they value celebrities less or state leaders more, but I always assumed it’s because they tend to see that the emperor wears no clothes when whites in North America or Europe go along with the delusion.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  178. I have a little game I’ve played with Normies on the race riot matter.
    I ask them if they’ve been keeping up with the news about the Floyd protests.
    The answer, of course is always yes, lots of media coverage, police violence is terrible etc etc.
    I do a little goad: It seems that there’s a couple of hours of coverage on TV everyday.
    Response: Oh, it’s more than that yadda yadda yadda,,,
    My question, How many unarmed black men did the police kill in America last year?
    Response, Oh I don’t know exactly.. yadda yadda etc.
    Me : Guess.
    Normie: Oh a couple of hundred yadda yadda…
    Me: 9
    Silence.
    Me: How many white men?
    Dunno
    Me : 19.

    Silence.

    Me: How can it be that you have watched countless hours of TV devoted to this but the actual numbers have never been mentioned?

    Response: Gotta go.

    Done it 4 times this week. Always the same.

    Go thou and do likewise.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Forbes
  179. Spangel says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    When do children form cliques where their friends resemble them? My guess is late elementary school.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  180. slumber_j says:
    @Mmw

    Makes sense: the numbers are genuinely astonishing.

  181. Sean says:

    Credo quia absurdum. There is no virtue in accepting a truth that is self evidently correct.

  182. They don’t know the specifics. 13/50, x7.9, the interracial rape statistics, average IQ, etc. They wouldn’t be able to give those figures. But consciously or subconciously they’re aware of the real-life implications and that’s why they choose to live in certain neighbourhoods. On the other hand, they’re also herd creatures so wanting to live in certain places and going to certain schools is also a function of their desire to follow the popular, successful people in their midst doing those things. That is why the finer points of Derbyshire’s talk, like “don’t go to a rap festival in a heavily black area”, can sometimes escape them and that’s when you see stories of white liberals massacred by their pets. Or like that student who got lynched in South Africa in the 90s.

    Speaking of South Africa, I recently saw a woman who works at a large PR firm here in Vancouver post a lengthy Instagram diatribe about how her recent trip to South Africa made her realize the importance of being anti-racist, how the poor blacks are still oppressed there by the legacy of Apartheid etc etc etc. This is someone who is in the top 5% of looks, late 20s, upper middle class, well-adjusted, by all means a “pretty, popular girl” so it shocked me to see how far the BLM discourse has penetrated. But as I scrolled further I saw that on her trip to South Africa she had zero photos with black people, and seemed to have befriended a group of white South Africans who she thanked for “helping keep me safe while I was there”. I just wanted to ask her: what did you think they were keeping you safe FROM? The hyenas?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  183. 128 says:
    @El Dato

    White chicks like black sausage.

    • Replies: @Sean
  184. Spangel says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Others have noted that progressives are remarkably accurate at denouncing the “stereotypes” racists hold for people that allegedly do not hold these thoughts themselves.

    They complain about people who assume that blacks are prone to criminality and that Asians are good at math.

    I’ve lately seen little about complaints that Mexicans are lazy. Probably because it’s been a long time since people have thought of Mexicans as lazy. It’s no longer a stereotype Americans hold.

    Seems like some of these progressives must be complaining about bad thoughts within themselves. It’s a constant fight against consciously noticing what they subconsciously notice.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  185. @Achmed E. Newman

    Minor typo there Achmed:
    ” However, if you even come up with the simple 7.5% to 11% factor of increased homicide rates”
    sb
    ” However, if you even come up with the simple 750% to 1100% factor of increased homicide rates”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  186. slumber_j says:
    @Jane Plain

    Cf. Sam Harris’s recent podcast.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  187. Poirot says:

    This post reminded me of something at read at Larry Auster’s site.

    While it is important for your physical survival to take blackness into account when encountering black individuals or finding yourself in a black neighborhood or at a beach or amusement park with many blacks, when it comes to your social survival you should pretend to be unconscious of blackness. If someone says, “There are a lot of blacks in the park today,” the safest response is, “Really? I hadn’t noticed.” Being aware of race, in any context outside of fulsome praise, is tantamount to racism. (Paul K., July 25, 2012.)

    (Via John Derbyshire’s website. Paul K. is Paul Kersey (Unz; VDare; AmRen))

  188. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    I also think another factor not mentioned in the article is that we have raised a whole generation of white children being very sheltered from reality about these issues.

    Helicopters. Too many helicopters. Way, way too many.

  189. @conatus

    The White 10% includes all the pure-bred Scandinavians imported from El Salvadore and slaughtering on behalf of MS13.

  190. BN says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I see black lives matter stickers plastered on streetlamp poles in Cupertino, CA (home of Apple Computer), where I can’t remember if I’ve ever seen a black resident. I hardly remember seeing a black person, period, in the general area. All these residents would change their tune in a second if some initiative at integrating the neighborhoods a little more was seriously brought up. It’s funny, I think the older generation Asians (who are now seemingly outnumbered by Indians) were more “real” when it came to this stuff. It’s been mentioned elsewhere, but Indians seem to be more into the woke life than other minorities for some reason.

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  191. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: I was reading an article about how New Yorkers are fleeing the state to move to places like New Jersey. New Jersey has a higher property tax rate than New York, and a higher medium home price as well, according to one site I consulted. This looks like the Trump property tax isn’t affecting these New Yorkers at all. Now, why would anyone want to move to New Jersey? Anyone moving to the northern end of the state has to commute through Camden, which is a pit. You’d think Long Island would better for finding peace and quiet.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @newrouter
  192. slumber_j says:
    @Spangel

    Brearley, eh? A friend whose daughter graduated from there sent me a June 15 communiqué from their Board of Trustees yesterday. I’ll put the whole thing below the fold, but this graf gives a strong sense of the full-on Year Zero tone:

    All trustees and at least one parent/guardian from each student’s household will be required to participate in training at an interval to be determined. The School’s enrollment contract will include this expectation moving forward. This training will provide insight for parents about their children’s learning, as well as help them reflect on their own beliefs. With a common vocabulary and understanding of community values with respect to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, parents will be able to better support the School’s commitment to creating an anti-racist community.

    [MORE]

    Dear Brearley Students, Alumnae, Parents, Faculty, Staff and Friends,

    The past few weeks have been a transformative and pivotal period in our school’s history. We have immersed ourselves in the painful, often searing stories of the firsthand effects of institutionalized and, at times, overt anti-Black racism within our walls. The strength of Brearley students and alumnae in sharing their stories on our forums and on the blackatbrearley Instagram account has been profoundly inspiring. We have listened, and we acknowledge the need for significant change.

    Our hearts are heavy. We are deeply sorry and apologize to all members of our Black community. We can do better; we will do better; and we hope that this letter can begin to articulate how we will actively shape an anti-racist community at Brearley.

    We are grateful for the calls to action we have received from Black students, parents and alumnae, as well as faculty and staff and the support for their concerns demonstrated by the larger community. In particular, we want to thank UMOJA, Brearley’s affinity group for Black students, whose powerfully candid and thoughtful comments have served as a basis for many of our conversations over the last week. We appreciate their leadership and their creation of a summer advisory group that will work with Ms. Fried and Dr. Huelett over the next few months. They have suggested and we agree that we should refer to this period of change as Building a Better Brearley.

    The next steps below—some concrete, some conceptual—extend to every area of our school: curriculum, training, student support, hiring and more. Clearly, achieving our goal requires the commitment of every member of the community: faculty, staff, students, parents, trustees and alumnae. While these initiatives to create a safer and more affirming environment for our Black students require further development and refinement, we want you to know the breadth of our efforts to address our task at hand. Some of these programs may sound familiar, as some were in development previously; in those cases, we have reconsidered and recast these efforts through the lens of the many experiences about which we are hearing. The work begins this summer and we will update the community with a timeline. The vital conversations and meetings that we will be having moving forward will enable us to further refine the action items highlighted here.

    Establish Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Committee of the Board of Trustees
    The Board has voted unanimously to create a standing committee for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion to focus on the goal of building an anti-racist community. This committee will partner with the administration and interface with stakeholders in supporting and expanding the work to confront anti-Black racism outlined below and will develop a plan to become an anti-racist school community. Annual strategies and goals will be established and progress will be assessed using data from annual surveys.

    Establish Community Anti-Racism Advisory Bodies
    The School will create anti-racism advisory boards for students, parents, faculty, staff and either a new or existing group of alumnae to engage all constituencies in monitoring our progress toward becoming an anti-racist community. The advisory boards will meet with one another regularly and also with the trustee members of the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Committee.

    Conduct Community-Wide Training
    The faculty and staff have engaged in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion learning multiple times annually over the past four years through the Pacific Educational Group and the School’s own Equity Learning Groups. Topics have included history of race and racism in the American educational system, microaggressions, implicit bias, restorative justice and code-switching. Clearly, much more work is needed to connect this meaningful learning with our transformation to an anti-racist school culture. Mandated faculty and staff training in anti-racism will continue next year, beginning with a community read of How to Be an Antiracist, by Ibram X. Kendi. Now all constituencies will engage in anti-racist training as well.

    All trustees and at least one parent/guardian from each student’s household will be required to participate in training at an interval to be determined. The School’s enrollment contract will include this expectation moving forward. This training will provide insight for parents about their children’s learning, as well as help them reflect on their own beliefs. With a common vocabulary and understanding of community values with respect to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, parents will be able to better support the School’s commitment to creating an anti-racist community.

    Foster Anti-Racist Behavior Among Students
    Division leaders and the Director of Equity and Community Engagement will review our code of conduct to more explicitly address acts of racism and connect clear and understandable discipline responses to these acts so that students are aware of administrative actions. They will also work with UMOJA leadership to create an anti-racist curriculum that will teach students how to identify racist behavior and stand up to it, and they will develop a restorative justice process to redress harm caused by racist behavior.

    Develop Inclusive Curriculum and Culturally Competent Pedagogy
    The Administration will oversee changes across the curriculum with particular emphasis on the humanities, where texts, topics and pedagogy are central to the development of the students’ intellect, imagination and identity. Work will begin this summer. Departments will review their curriculum; question the assumptions that led to the inclusion of or emphasis on certain topics and texts and the omission of or underemphasis on others; introduce new texts by Black authors and topics in Black history to deepen the breadth and scope of students’ understanding; create lessons that provide the context for and enhance the appreciation of these texts and topics; and develop greater competence in connecting all students to these texts and topics.

    We will train teachers to acknowledge and address the biases that influence their pedagogy. Departments will introduce changes in the fall, and this first phase of change will continue intentionally and measurably over the next three years.

    Nurture and Hold Administration, Faculty and Staff Accountable for Creating Anti-Racist Community
    In addition to professional development and training in anti-racism, each member of the administration, faculty and staff will develop an annual equity goal in their area of expertise that will be approved by the Assistant Head of School for Academic Life and the Director of Equity and Community Engagement.

    The School will utilize a performance improvement plan to review all employees who are not consistently incorporating the skills they have learned in the required, school-sponsored anti-racism training. Those who do not improve will be, in an important sense, working against our shared goal and be terminated.

    Augment Staffing in the Equity and Community Engagement Office
    We will review staffing needs with respect to student, parent, faculty and staff training and support.

    Educate Prospective Families
    The admission staff will inform all prospective families about the School’s goal to become an anti-racist community and set as an admission criterion the family’s commitment and willingness to contribute to this goal.

    Support for Black Students
    Division leaders and the Director of Equity and Community and Engagement will develop with UMOJA leadership more robust programming for Black students to focus on social experiences, identity-development and mental health, among other needs. The College Advising Office will, with input from students and alumnae, ensure its programming acknowledges, reflects and responds to a diversity of student experiences and needs. We will also establish an alumnae volunteer group to mentor Black students and strengthen student support based on a survey that will focus on student experiences in each division at Brearley and on the college experience and transition to life after college.

    Conduct Annual Survey on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion
    Brearley will contract an independent consultant with expertise in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion to conduct research on school climate with respect to student belonging, anti-racism and attitudes toward Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.

    Review Photo-Taking and Student Panel Practices with Students
    We will evaluate and reform our processes to address student concerns about our creation and use of marketing materials involving Black students.

    Redouble Initiative to Hire Teachers, Administrators and Staff of Color
    Brearley will contract with an independent consultant with expertise in hiring educators of color to review current hiring practices and work with individual department heads and departments in the fall in anticipation of the 2021 hiring season. The School will continue the initiative to recruit and retain faculty and staff of color, with a focus on Black teachers. Some departments have made progress in this area and others have not. Changes to the curriculum and our commitment to creating an anti-racist community will support this important work.

    Review Student Body Composition
    The diversity of our student body is a hallmark of the School and a perceived strength. As we work to improve the experiences of Black students, additional attention should also be given to their representation in the school community.

    The purpose of the above initiatives is to move the community as a whole to active engagement as anti-racists. To learn more about anti-racism, please refer to the following link: https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/being-antiracist.

    We are grateful for the dialogue with the community about this work and are committed to sustaining this communication as we move forward. There is much work to be done. We will Build a Better Brearley, together. We are holding ourselves accountable and counting on you to as well.

    Sincerely,

    The Brearley School Board of Trustees

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  193. benjaminl says:
    @Arclight

    Yup, that was my experience

    Growing up in nice suburban SuperZIP = nice, pleasant, socially approved opinions on race

    Couple of years in the not-completely-gentrified big city = race realist

    • Replies: @Arclight
  194. Kronos says:
    @Stirner

    Some of the younger progressives seem to truly be ignorant of the facts, or as others have observed they have been conditioned to recoil from hate statistics as a form of badthink.

    I’ve never encountered a satisfactory means of separating progressives and liberals. Any advice?

    • Replies: @SFG
  195. Anon[301] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I read iSteve a lot and that becomes the narrative I follow. If I didn’t watch the or consume any media, I would have no opinions about anything other than things which directly impacted me

  196. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jim Lahey

    Don’t be absurd. It’s all metaphor. The Catholic Church teaches the Bible is the Divine revealed Word of God BUT filtered through the human experience of peoples in vastly different times and cultures.

    Hellenized Holy Land for example was vastly different than the time of Solomon. There is a reason Jesus talks like Socrates in the New Testament.

    Ancient peoples used parables because speaking outright truths got people killed in nasty ways.

  197. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Have you noticed any correlation of the mixture proportions with age? Any other interesting correlations?

    It can be hard to draw accurate conclusions about issues like this. I once had an acrimonious conversation with someone close to me about racial IQs. Seemingly endless denials of average IQ differences between whites and blacks culminating with an abrupt shift to “yes, but Asians are smarter than whites.”

    The person involved has lived in urban areas with substantial black populations for years, but I suspect the crime conversation would be much the same.

  198. vhrm says:
    @martin_2

    I agree, but i don’t think it’s “going for the jugular”, but rather a necessary piece of the explanation since we’ve already talked out the “nurture-only” explanations in various ways over the years.

    And it’s not just IQ, but also aggression.

    However i also don’t think most people understand the Gaussian distribution of attributes of human traits and what it means if different groups have different means even though there’s overlap between the distributions, etc.

    (And, btw, “normal distribution” is a particularly unfortunate name since it conflates a specific technical term with a regular adjective and there’s no way to tell if someone even realizes that it’s a specific thing. )

    • Replies: @res
  199. Icy Blast says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I think we are underestimating the power of TV over Americans’ minds. If roughly 80% of Americans hear something expressed or implied on TV, repeatedly, over the course of several years, they don’t question it. For tens of millions, TV functions as The Voice of God in this post-Christian age. (Even Fox News will not go near federal statistics about crime.)

  200. Juckett says:

    Alice is that you? We are in the Land of the Mad Hatter. He who has sampled just a little too much mercury whilst creating his head gear.
    The crime of all the BLM cult members and their white liberal eunuchs is that they disregard that which can be proven and bolster all to which there is no proof.
    It is beyond belief that a once proud European race sits on their collective hands while being disparaged daily. Yet this is what passes for White Supremacy.

    Alice where are you going? Alice has left . Even she can not tolerate this Wonderland.

    Stay strong my brothers and sisters.

  201. @Hibernian

    Some? So, you’re a little bit pregnant?

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  202. res says:
    @slumber_j

    How did they react when you provided the documentation?

    Him being a DC political reporter makes that anecdote at least 10x better.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  203. res says:
    @vhrm

    And it’s not just IQ, but also aggression.

    Also time horizon. And self absorption.

    However i also don’t think most people understand the Gaussian distribution of attributes of human traits and what it means if different groups have different means even though there’s overlap between the distributions, etc.

    Agreed. I think using the analogy of heights for men and women along with the notion of Cohen’s d (even if not using the actual term) can help get the point across though.

  204. @Forbes

    Slavery is a distraction–it’s what’s mention to avoid talking about the destruction of the (black) family

    This guy used it as an excuse and more will too:

    Man nabbed for Bronx rape allegedly said she ‘deserved it’ for ‘slavery’

    But seriously, you sound like a cuckservative.

    The ‘black’ family only existed in America because they were afraid of the repercussions.

    It’s genetic and they don’t do families in sub-Saharan Africa.

  205. @Coemgen

    “is this a grass-roots shibboleth or was it cooked-up around a conference table then marketed by social influencers?”

    I think Emotional Engineers is a better phrase, coined by Aldous Huxley. That’s what advertisers are, after all.

    Off topic, there are a number of recent outbreaks of CV19 in meat processing plants in the UK, some deaths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/19/three-meat-factories-in-england-and-wales-closed-over-coronavirus

    “In the UK, four meat factories are reported to have been affected to date. However, Unite said it was aware of five other “suspected Covid-19 outbreaks” at other sites across the UK.

    Bev Clarkson, a national officer at Unite, said there were “major issues” with the health and safety of workers in the meat processing industry and urged employers to implement proper physical distancing and provide adequate protective equipment “to stop further spikes within the sector”.

    “Unite has warned time and again that coronavirus outbreaks at meat processing factories throughout the UK were likely,” she said. “The union has been in touch with the management of all three closed factories to insist that staff only return to work when it is safe to do so and when further outbreaks can be prevented.”

    Three workers died from coronavirus after a small outbreak at a meat processing plant in South Yorkshire last month. The family member of one of those who died accused Cranswick, the company that owns the plant, of failing to adequately protect workers, citing a lack of face masks, a lack of physical distancing, and the provision of only the statutory sick pay of £95.85 a week for those too ill to work.

    Cranswick said it had rigorous cleaning procedures in place, that distancing measures had been in place in the plant since the middle of March, and that visors were now available for anyone who wanted to use them.

    A Guardian analysis last month found that almost half of the Covid-19 hotspots in the US were linked to plants where poultry, pigs and cattle were slaughtered and packaged. The outbreaks led to calls for urgent reforms to an industry beset by health and safety issues. The United Food and Commercial Workers union said recently that at least 44 slaughterhouse workers in the US had died from the virus and another 3,000 had tested positive.”

    All of these plants employ large numbers of Eastern Europeans, people who don’t really ‘do’ social distancing – they live in largeish groups, go around in largeish groups, and get plastered on a weekend in largeish groups (last Saturday at the checkout I placed the third pack of 20 lager cans into the arms of a Polish guy already carrying two – “it’s Saturday!” said he). Perfect transmission mode. I don’t know if the illegals in US plants are the same.

    The employment site Indeed has a review system.

    Kober (closed due to CV19)

    The job itself was easy, getting trained was hard work as I don’t speak Polish but everyone who works there does. The last 2 hour you are made to clean the walls every night. Too many supervisers which were all Polish.

    Cranswick (3 dead last month CV19)

    I spent most of the time making up the boxes and placing filling trays in the ones that use them then picking up the hundreds of packs of meat which had fallen to the floor while CERTAIN ONES were busy gabbing to their mates, I got it in the neck for not doing things properly when the full time staff were almost all foreigners and most never spoke English.

    Most of people work on night shift no speak english and is hard to communicate with them.

    Two Sisters Langefni

    Overrun by Romanians from management to workers, who bully anyone who isnt Romanian and favouritism given to their fellow Romanian workers. Alot of theft, my phone went missing from my bag and and damage to my motorbike while I was there to which the management simply said it’s not my problem. What happened to duty of care from your employer!? Very bad attitude from management who have no care for you as a worker.
    No social distancing or PPE, do not put your life at risk to pack chicken.

    Two Sisters are owned by an Indian millionaire with a most unpleasant son, who’s already served two sentences, 21 months for maiming a child as he drove at 70 in a 30 limit, and six months for a gang attack on a man who lost an eye. I wonder if the apple falls pretty near the tree?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006536/Multimillionaire-tycoon-s-son-left-toddler-brain-damaged-horror-crash-jailed-second-time-blinding-man-bar-attack.html

    Rowan Foods, Wrexham (closed due to CV19)

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/staff-walk-out-food-factory-18038472

    Staff at a food factory have walked out in protest amid concerns over working conditions. Police were called after workers stopped production at Rowan Foods on Wrexham Industrial Estate. North Wales Live has been contacted by staff at the factory regarding who are concerned over working conditions at the site in light of the new coronavirus outbreak. North Wales Police (NWP) have confirmed they have been called more than once to the factory this week.

    Once upon a time there was a thing to protect workers called the Labour Party, before Tony Blair rebranded them as the Cheap Labour Party.

  206. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Mendacism rules.

    Green Book and Green Mile.

    Americans are putty of Mendacists.

  207. @El Dato

    Racism is the new “evil eye”. It slices, dices and explains everything. Maybe even Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

    Modern science has even identified a subatomic particle—the trayvon—that transmits racism instantaneously across vast distances of interstellar space.

  208. syonredux says:

    Protesters tore down a George Washington statue and set a fire on its head

    A crowd of protesters gathered around a statue of George Washington in Portland, Oregon, on Thursday night and lit a fire on its head before pulling it to the ground.

    Photos and video from the scene showed that the statue was spray painted with “Genocidal Colonist,” “You’re on native lands,” “BLM” and “Big Floyd” — presumably referring to George Floyd, who died last month at the hands of Minneapolis police.

    It was also tagged with 1619, which is a reference to the year the first slaves were brought to what is now the United States.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/us/portland-george-washington-statue-toppled-trnd/index.html

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    , @Harry Baldwin
  209. @slumber_j

    I hate podcasts.

    Can you sum up?

  210. Arclight says:
    @benjaminl

    When I was young I worked in DC for a Dem congressman, and all of my white coworkers had the socially-approved opinions you reference. Within a couple of years, I had more than a few that would admit after a couple of drinks that living in DC made them think racist thoughts and they couldn’t wait to move to the burbs and get away from all the lower class blacks.

    I was fortunate (in a way) get a taste of things early in life – I lived in a large city and switched from a pretty monochromatic private school to a highly vibrant city public school. I then went to college in another city where the campus was surrounded by more vibrant diversity, and then lived in DC and knew what I was getting myself into. The benefit of all this – particularly my public school experience – is that I learned early on not to try to be friendly and agreeable in the hopes you wouldn’t get picked on (it just means you are a mark) and while you shouldn’t go out of your way to show you aren’t going to be pushed around, carry yourself with absolutely no hint of deference. And lastly, do not for any reason involve yourself in settling their affairs, no matter what you witness.

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  211. @Anonymous

    TwoEightyNine, how did you manage to hang this on “boomers?”

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  212. Alfa158 says:
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Crimestop at work.
    And it isn’t even only the dangerous ones that they never interact with. They have also never interacted with peaceful Blacks who are at the lower half of the Black Bell Curve, and therefore they have no idea how far down the overall population’s distribution that is. I think I have only seen it up close and for an extended period myself because I’m not far enough up the social ladder to avoid jury duty, and so I’ve had to interact with some.
    If they did more would start to think that there are only two solutions for a working society.. One is to eliminate the gap by flooding White countries with non-Whites and eliminating Whiteness. Two is the Brazilian model of quarantine into favelas. Obviously our leaders are going with solution one.

  213. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    “hence it would be so much better to say:

    …black [males between the ages of 17 and 32] are 7.9 times as likely as the rest of the population to be a murder offender…””

    Alas when you’ve cut down the pool of potential murderers by maybe 80% (remember you’ve halved it just with “male”), you are talking “25 to 35 times as likely” !

  214. @slumber_j

    slumber, let me summarize the letter…Dear White and Asian parents, we know we fucked up when we took in too many black students who are having difficulties with our programs. So we have determined that the only way to move forward in our new DIE iniative is to punish our white and asian students and to shame their parents. Don’t forget next semester’s tuition is due by the first and the BLM mothers are having a bake sale. You bake. They sell.

    • Agree: slumber_j
  215. @Buffalo Joe

    It really isn’t ever going to end.

  216. @Whiskey

    Whiskey, I will give you an “Agree” because the blog doesn’t have a “Blessed Be” button.

  217. @eee

    Sometimes I daydream about what I would do if I were a newspaper editor or owner. Give 1000 people a questionnaire about various facts – race/crime statistics included of course. And then let the newspaper concentrate on correcting on the stuff that most get wrong.

    But newspapers nowadays amplify the falsities. Or obscure the facts. It’s Cuttlefish Journalism (using ink to repel and conceal, rather than to reveal). Released when alarmed – “what, they’re looting?? Release the Emmet Till articles”.

  218. Marty says:

    Across from Stanford there’s a dress shop called Ruti. It’s the kind of place that sells long smocks for women who need to conceal their figure. I went in once to ask for their WiFi password – the woman at the desk is a Russian speaker. Even though I’ve parked in front of it dozens of times and never seen a customer go in or out, I tell myself that it’s an actual business, and not a mob laundry. I am a good person.

  219. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, the falcon has heard the Falconer!

    CNN now believes in economical walls to mitigate foreign intruders!

  220. S says:

    When a disturbing number of US POW’s were returning from North Korea as Communists after the war, studies were launched to determine exactly how it was their Red Chinese captors first psychologically broke the men, and then indoctrinated them.

    Dr Robert J Lifton’s 1961 book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism was the result, and he really nailed it. Thought reform is simply another term for mind control, or, ‘brain washing.’

    First of the ‘eight criteria’ to accomplish this was ‘milieu control’, ie the control of information.

    Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    The other seven criteria are:

    Mystical Manipulation. Demand for Purity. Confession. Sacred Science. Loading the Language. Doctrine over person. Dispensing of existence.

    Progressive Multi-culturalism has all the earmarks of being a gigantic cult.

    The good news is that once the men were in the US awhile, and no longer being force fed regular indoctrination from a political commisar, the effects wore off.

    Turn off the TV’s, and if at all possible take your kids out of the public schools.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_cult_of_multi_culturalism

  221. SFG says:
    @Kronos

    Mostly an age thing, but you can separate a progressive from an old-school liberal by asking about free speech–should racist speech be legally banned? Older liberals tend to still hold to views about meritocracy and freedom of inquiry, and tend to hold to race-blind goals. People with those sorts of views below 40 tend to become libertarians or IDW (basically alt-lite-lite), I think.

  222. SFG says:

    As for my views: 14 years growing up in pre-Giuliani New York.

    And my dad really, really shouldn’t have bought that book with the probability distribution on the cover when it came out.

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  223. Redman says:
    @JimB

    It’s tempting to view large social groupings like individual organisms, or cohesive unitary systems which operate collectively in tandem; as if they have a unified direction and purpose. That so many empires, nations, kingdoms, etc. have risen and fallen in similar ways (e.g. Rome) gives such an analytical framework even more credibility.

    But societies are supposedly made of many individuals of “free will” and intellect. This raises the concept of the 80-20 divide of Pareto’s law. The collective is really always an amorphous 80%, which the other 20% with conviction seeks to move in one or the other direction. The effective power of that 20% is the sole force that impels the movement; and the political divergence of that 20% is what matters. All comes down to an intellectual battle of just those in the 20%.

  224. FPD72 says:

    Way back in 1982 I got into a discussion with my two-doors down neighbor during which I mentioned the then black illegitimacy rate of 55%. He refused to believe it. I pulled a book by economist Walt Williams and showed my neighbor the statistic. His response? He said, “The author is a racist.” I then pointed out to him that Williams is black, which left my neighbor stunned.

    I wonder what he thinks of today’s black illegitimacy rate of 77%?

  225. Redman says:
    @Barnard

    That’s basically what has happened in France, except they don’t even track births by race.

  226. @dearieme

    The fifth one is Palestine.

  227. FPD72 says:
    @Spangel

    How can one really believe a man rose from the dead at this point?

    Maybe they believe the testimony of 12 men, eleven of who could have avoided violent deaths by recanting their claims of seeing the resurrected Jesus.

    Maybe they reject the religion of naturalism, which asserts, a priori, that miracles don’t occur, that there is no infinite-personal creator who is above the natural laws of the universe.

    Several of my science or engineering instructors in college were Christians, some of whom came to faith in their middle age. During my senior year in high school I had the opportunity to attend lectures at Cal Tech that dealt with cosmology and or cosmogony. When asked how the universe got its start, almost all of the speakers, recognized astronomers or astro -physicists from around the country, said to the effect, “God did it.”

    Knowledge of the physical sciences and belief in God are not mutually exclusive nor do they require intellectual suicide.

  228. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    From time to time there’s something that scares libtards and progtards, like the LA riots or the current totally peaceful protests. Then some of them decide that, well, maybe one of those boomstick things might be handy to have around. So they go to an evil boomstick store, even in Kalifornia they still exists (but not in San Francisco anymore) and they find out that, gohhh-leee, they can’t just walk in and plunk money down. There’s forms to fill out, there’s a background check, maybe they have to wait a while, and always…always….always they are surprised.

    People who have signed on to every gun control proposal since they were teenagers suddenly find out that the actual Federal and state laws are more complicated than they believed. They don’t know anything about any law, but they tell each other stuff and believe it.

    tl;dr
    Libtards,, Progtards and other tards don’t know much of anything about anything, so …. no … they don’t know hatestats and don’t know where to find them. They are like children, maybe mid-high students. Easily scared, easily angered, easily led.

    When you surf on emotional highs to get dopamine hits you don’t have time for boring old facts.

  229. vhrm says:
    @Arclight

    I think one of the biggest disconnects between white elites (either higher income/higher education or prestige jobs in media/academia) and society is that they do not understand just how big of a cognitive and behavior gap there is between themselves and the bottom 30% of society. Along with that, they are largely insulated from interacting with them because they don’t live, work, or play in the same places, and underestimate just how many people fall into this bucket.

    I think this is very true.

    One article (iSteve in fact) i remember reading that really made me think was that half of blacks can’t even enlist in the Army because of low ASVAB ( IQ). Before that i assumed that most anyone could escape bad circumstances just by joining up. Thatcs not true for any race but itcs a lot less true for blacks than for whites.

    Setting aside the race angle, i really wish there were some more research about what people at different iq levels can do / how they see the world etc.

    A lot of social research and discussion is going to be confounded by the “blank slate” assumption to the point that its findings and prescriptions are doomed to failure. It’s just a lot of water effort.

    • Replies: @res
  230. @martin_2

    I think it’s better to say biological than genetic. And it’s not just lack of intelligence. Impulsiveness, high time preference, being poor cooperators, etc.

    But, yes you have to “go there”.

  231. @countenance

    “My take is that they know it, but blame everything else in the world but that which should be blamed.”

    Fifty years ago, as a college student, that was me, with some qualification. I didn’t think about crime stats, don’t recall ever seeing them. I despised “racism,” which I thought was the most pressing issue of the time.

    Now the crime stats are denied but in 1970 the differential between black-white crime stats was never mentioned.

    The “root cause of crime” was a dictum nearly all liberal college students believed. It was thought Race Relations would get better after Civil Rights laws had been passed and segregation ended.

    In the fall of 1970, I started having Second Thoughts. I had a right-wing political science teacher, only one I ever saw or heard of. Over time I was influenced by what I heard from him. The only thing this teacher ever said about race was pointing out the hypocrisy of the pro-busing types who were for it in the South, but not elsewhere. And certainly not for their own children.

    He was cynical about all politicians but openly contemptuous of McGovern, Ted Kennedy, etc.

    Also, the Black Student Association was obnoxious even then. I recall a “Get Hip Whitey Week.” with posters plastered all over campus.

  232. @Ron Unz

    Highly relevant to the current topic: See Jean-Paul Leonard’s excellent piece currently up on the Unz Review. I am not sure if he is a new contributor, or if this is a one-off. But it’s a must-read to understand why the Floyd George’s “murder” is a hoax and mass-delusion:

    https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/

    • Agree: El Dato, Forbes, Goatweed
  233. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    Didn’t Goering once predict that we would dis-inter him and give provide him with a proper George Floyd style supercoffin (once the error of our ways had become clear)?

    • Replies: @David In TN
  234. @conatus

    The one hatestat that shocked me, by its lopsidedness was emphasized by Heather MacDonald. Blacks commit 9/10s of the interracial crime! Of a rough total of 600,000 interracial victimization Whites commit 60,000 and Blacks commit the rest.

    But it’s much worse than that when you get to crimes pf completed violence. These numbers are from an NCVS about 20 years ago, but the ratio should still be the same. For crimes of completed violence, the number of black-on-white crimes (about 176,000) was 22 times the reverse (about 8,000).

  235. @Spangel

    My guess is late elementary school.

    Yes, that’s my experience.

  236. Spangel says:
    @slumber_j

    That email said exactly what I expected it to say before I read it. Is anyone surprised?

  237. Kronos says:
    @SFG

    The one that left your head ringing like a bell?

    • Replies: @SFG
  238. I only have room for one set of truths in my head.

    So you’re with Ayn Rand and Aristotle, rather than Emerson, Whitman, and Fitzgerald?

  239. @Bill Jones

    Yes, often times you give them the truth and they are speechless.

  240. @Chrisnonymous

    Didn’t Steve once post a study showing that many people thought the US population was 50% black? Maybe I saw that elsewhere, but if true, it’s unlikely they know the real crime stats either.

    This probably explains the counterintuitive claim about the antebellum era that the dumbest states were the richest ones, too. The books must have been cooked.

    The results of the (short, hot) war fit the IQ distribution better. Occam’s scythe.

  241. @Arclight

    My brother went to a reunion at a school at which he once taught. He met a former student who had played some football (backup and special teams) at an SEC school in the 1990’s.

    This man called the players “a bunch of thugs.” And said “The only way to deal with them was to stand your ground and not back down.”

  242. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is difference.

    … Doublethink: Holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time and selecting te one to act on depending on what some “community” expects of you.

    … Undoublethink: Holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time and working on evaluating which one better fits observed facts.

    Meanwhile. CAN ANYONE PLEASE REMOVE TWITTER AND JAKE FROM PREMISES? It’s a disgusting, fake, lazy and nontrepreneurial way way of giving people extreme brain cancer. Please try 155mm howitzers on Twitter HQ before it is too late. Well, it is.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/492411-katie-hopkins-suspended-twitter/

  243. @Reg Cæsar

    This is a typical literary mush. Aside from poetic metaphors, there is not much substance in it.

    Developed minds, from Plato to Jung, possessed unified world-views which had not few weak spots, but the overall picture was clear (whether one agreed with them or not is quite another issue). They were simply more nuanced than shallow propagandists who dominate the discourse most of the time.

    Just to add that, unfortunately, most great thinkers had been so inarticulate & frequently contradictory that posterity is left with “what he actually thought” question. For instance, some think that Spinoza was a panentheist & not a pantheist, a position which should be, for a critical mind, easily dismissed.

  244. Anon7 says:

    I don’t think liberal, progressive Leftists have the slightest idea about all of the hatefacts that inform this blog. In fact, if you attempt to slip a factual statement that varies in the slightest degree from what they “know” to be true, they react immediately, saying “Aha, I see that you, Anon7, have been lurking in the dark corners of the internet!

    All of their exposure to “black people” is through listening to black people on NPR or other Leftist outlets. Highly curated.

  245. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is the college-addled who are reliably wildly wrong here. Every one of those brain bugs in the antifa hive has college and some of the worst have advanced degrees from once-good schools.

  246. Do Progressives Actually Know HateStats?

    They probably do at some deep, unconscious level, “under the skin”, as it were.

    Look at the War of the Coopers in Central Park. The white woman was being an arrogant bitch, as progressives so often are, and richly deserved to be called out. The black poofter was totally in the right.

    Unfortunately, he used scary language in making his point. Not because he was a violent black man, but because he was a high-strung flaming fruit, and that’s what they do. Everything is a federal case to them. (Literally, often. The Supreme Court docket appears stuffed with lace doilies.)

    Her problem is that she went by the wrong stereotype. Rather than explaining his innocence to the police, however, he went to the media. Because they all do.

    That’s one thing the blacks and the pinks have in common. Drama queens, all!

    • Replies: @gfhändel
    , @Marty
  247. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Exactly right. It’s what Charles Murray described in Coming Apart

  248. SFG says:
    @Kronos

    I’m no Gauss. But that’s normal.

  249. J.Ross says:
    @El Dato

    Can “black” be replaced there with “people in high risk areas who completely ignored the safety orders”?

  250. Reading black authors, long time ago- Richard Wright, James Baldwin, … – I have noticed that they (especially Wright) have frequently an alien ethical stance. For instance, in his major novel “Native Son”, Wright vividly depicts his anti-hero Bigger Thomas as a psycho; yet, at the ending of the novel, Wright was explicit that Bigger Thomas was just a victim of a racist society.

    That struck me as very strange. Evidently, the guy was a psycho; true, he was a victim, too, but not simply an almost deterministic product of an anti-black society. Wright implies that his psychotic anti-hero would be basically a rather good fellow in a color-blind society.

    I am well aware that one should not generalize too much from literature (there are tons of anti-French rubbish in English literature or anti-Polish nonsense in Russian), but black American authors seem to live in a different moral universe. And if this is so for the best among them, what can one expect from others?

  251. @Chrisnonymous

    Foreigners definitely think that. Don’t know how many I have met from Europe that swore it was the case.

    By the way, great junior high girl move Klobuchar did on Warren (and the rest of the former VP field but mainly Warren).

    Signaling she is “stepping aside” for a “woman of color”…you know Klobuchar and her husband/friends/family are laughing that she just did that to Warren’s chances.

    Never underestimate women.

  252. vhrm says:
    @Anon

    Don’t be ashamed, there’s absolutely nothing in our education that would suggest it and plenty of things that say we ARE all of equal potential and if some people are more “talented” than others certainly there’s no association between that and sex or race.

    And in reality, as an individual, how many people do you observe closely enough to be able to even “notice”?

    If you’re a military recruiter, teacher, HR person, maybe a cop in an actually diverse area you might notice since you’re exposed to a lot of datapoints. But as a normal person with some friends, family and a couple of jobs over time? how would you?

    But now that you know… you’ve got to proselytize a bit to whatever level you can without being fed to lions or being labled “crazy uncle Anon”.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  253. Lugash says:
    @El Dato

    Agree. In my experience it’s generational. The last of the Boomers who tried to enforce standards at work, reward performance etc. are gone. Now it’s GenX hucksters in control of everything below the C-Suite. Or younger.

  254. @Coemgen

    Do we have good terminology to name the deplorable act of badgering someone to “kneel”

    Colin Kaepernick obviously started out, but it got a bump from “Game of Thrones,” where Dragon Queen Daenerys Targaryen was always ordering people to “Bend the knee!” or she would burn them alive.

    Currently, taking a knee feels like paying obeisance to a conqueror rather than protesting police brutality.

  255. @Coemgen

    Do we have good terminology to name the deplorable act of badgering someone to “kneel”

    Colin Kaepernick obviously started it out, but it got a bump from “Game of Thrones,” where Dragon Queen Daenerys Targaryen was always ordering people to “Bend the knee!” or she would burn them alive.

    Currently, taking a knee feels like paying obeisance to a conqueror rather than protesting police brutality.

  256. @syonredux

    It was also tagged with 1619, which is a reference to the year the first slaves were brought to what is now the United States.

    How they must have cheered in the New York Times editorial suite when they heard this. Success!

    (Sorry about the double posts earlier. Something weird was going on and I couldn’t remove one.)

    • Replies: @Lowe
  257. Marty says:
    @Charon

    Yeah, makes me pine for the old days when some liberals based their disdain for conservatives on something other than negro worship. In grad school I knew a woman, 5 years older, former AID, who hated Nixon and Reagan – but the reason was Pinochet. She knew the score about blacks – got robbed at gunpoint by a black guy in front of City Hall. She’d been born in Nice. She would speak French with a student from Nigeria named Eekay. She told me, “Eekay’s full of shit.”

  258. Anon 2 says:

    It seems most leftists believe in the tabula rasa (blank slate) model
    of the human mind: Blacks may be very homicidal but it’s not inherently
    their fault – it may be due to poor nutrition, high levels of lead in the
    air and water, poor role models around them, “systemic racism” ( which
    is like explaining things in terms of evil spirits), etc. It’s never due to
    low IQ , low impulse control, or lack of interest in developing one’s
    mind. Hence the solution is to change the environment, change the
    institutions, etc, and soon blacks will be as peaceful and law-abiding
    as Asian Americans. I once talked to a part time black actor, and was
    amazed at his hierarchy of values – he was extremely proud of his dancing
    skills, and the fact he could sing in two different languages. Blacks
    seem obsessed with bodily-level skills (athletics, dancing, singing,
    sex, fighting, etc, i.e., skills for which there is little demand in the 21st
    century), and neglect everything else.

  259. OT: Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon may lose their gigs as late-night hosts on ABC and NBC respectively for skits they did in blackface on national television.

    Just like with #MeToo (pronounced bang me too), the blackface torpedos the Ds threw in the water seem to be coming around on them.

    https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/06/cancel-culture-just-got-fun.html

  260. No progressives in my professional and personal circles are even aware of such stats. Why would they look? They never have opportunity to discover the data as they only consume sanitized, safe studies, media and sources. If confronted with actual data that contradict their worldview, they don’t self destruct. They just deflect until their minds reconfigure to a state that puts them at ease. It doesn’t matter if that reconciliation is irrational.

    Remember when Captain Kirk used to defeat machine AI enemies by presenting them with logical inconsistencies?

    That’s an AI that can’t replace a human. It’s too rational.

  261. res says:
    @VinnyVette

    You missed SFG’s distinction:

    Not in terms of publishing papers and getting promoted–that’s as fake as any other human activity–but in terms of actually designing a building or figuring out what genes control a process.

    The political “success” of Ferguson’s model is clearly an example of the former. Its failure to predict real world results is clearly an example of the latter.

    So you are just emphasizing SFG’s point.

  262. @BN

    but Indians seem to be more into the woke life than other minorities for some reason.

    Weird because the opposite is true in the UK – here they’re much more likely to be conservative and allied with whites than any other kind of darkie is. Northern Indians do consider themselves Aryans/Caucasians.

  263. Forbes says:
    @Bill Jones

    Exactly. Passive viewing of entertainment (“news” is entertainment) will not inform the viewer of anything substantive.

  264. Pat Boyle says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Today we are celebrating Juneteenth . Why? Blacks have had much less experience with slavery than most of the other races. It’s really quite strange that so many Americans think blacks have suffered the most of the races while it’s just the opposite is true.

    It’s very simple. The Neolithic Revolution began in the Fertile Crescent around 8,500 BC. The Neolithic Revolution took place in Africa about 2,500 BC. Six thousand years later.

    Slavery is a societal state that existed between the Neolithic Revolution and the Industrial Revolution. Hunter gatherers do not keep slaves. If they capture an enemy they just kill them. But with crops and farming someone has to plow that damn field – so let’s let the prisoners live. Chatle slavery was over by 1900. The Rust Spindle would have killed the market for black field hands if they hadn’t already been freed. So Mid-Easterners and Europeans had been slaves for around ten thousand years while subsaharan Africa had only had about four thousand years. My ancestors (and yours) probably suffered slavery far longer than any black lineage.

    • Agree: mark green, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  265. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    Anyone moving to the northern end of the state has to commute through Camden Newark.

    FIFY

    Camden is across the Delaware River from Philadelphia–other end of the state.

    Besides, the commute is by train. Nobody drives through Newark to get to Manhattan. Try a map next time.

  266. vhrm says:
    @Alan Mercer

    Same here

    especially:

    The key for me was IQ differences. I had honestly never heard that there were genetic differences of cognitive significance between races. My first reaction to exposure to the evidence was that if there were a difference, this fact would be so hugely important that certainly someone would have told me by now. I’m statistically literate so the reaction did not survive my evaluation of the evidence. Others? Not so much.

    For me what even got me to that starting point was the US PISA results broken down by race. (and then SAT data esp from the 90s).

    How the heck do Asians and Latinos, many of whom speak English as a second language, do better on English tests than blacks who are native speakers? The “bad schools” thing just didn’t seem plausible for something as “basic” (to my then uneducated mind) as reading.

    I’m just statistically literate enough that that led to the IQ and other stuff.

    • Agree: Alan Mercer
    • Replies: @Kyle
  267. Dr. Doom says:

    The media is Samizdat nowadays. The Lying Press is corporate junk. Soon bankrupt.

    They all want the ratings. If it bleeds, it leads.

    All leftists know the Truth. They are useful idiots though.

    They use code words instead of realtalk.

    “Bad schools”, “dangerous neighborhoods” and “poor infrastructure”.

    They believe the Right uses the same doubletalk. “Dog whistles” they say.

    Can all this samizdat change the Truth?

    Nope.

  268. There are lots of progs who know the hate stats and think they are great.

  269. BenKenobi says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Yo, let’s do wing night at The Moose some Tuesday.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  270. vhrm says:
    @Alfa158

    I think BLM signs on windows and store fronts are more like hanging garlic to avoid vampires.

    They hope the the mob doesn’t loot/burn their store/house.

    But probably a lot less effective.

  271. Wyatt says:
    @Pop Warner

    God bless Asiatic ignorance.

  272. @vhrm

    If you’re a military recruiter, teacher, HR person, maybe a cop in an actually diverse area you might notice since you’re exposed to a lot of datapoints. But as a normal person with some friends, family and a couple of jobs over time? how would you?

    Military recruiters likely have it the worst. I used to feel so sorry for them when they’d board our school bus back in the late ’70s. We had some of the sketchiest characters — students — ever on one bus. One fine young guy was the son of a Colombian diplomat. Yeah, he was the weed master. One wise young Latino kept a machete ready in his locker. A particulary violent Polack, err… gentleman of Polish descent, threatened to kill one of my favorite teachers with a shotgun. My NY public school years were so full of wonder and discovery.

    BTW, in NY back then, terms like polack, kraut or dago were not considered to be perjorative among friends.

    But man o man, did those recruiters sell me a story. I thought I was moving to a free. beachfront condo in California.

    Here’s a story about a guy in current news, named Jihad Littlejohn:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/16/tinder-sailor-hooker-pimp-the-us-navys-sex-trafficking-scandal-in-bahrain/

    OK.

  273. OT An Oakland antifa prof is in trouble for asking a Vietnamese student called “Phuc Bui” to anglicize her name.

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Laney-College-professor-anglicize-name-Phuc-Bui-15352298.php

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  274. res says:
    @vhrm

    Setting aside the race angle, i really wish there were some more research about what people at different iq levels can do / how they see the world etc.

    Have you seen these references from Linda Gottfredson?
    http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf
    https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2003-gottfredson.pdf

    This graphic makes a decent summary and includes the black and white IQ distributions for context.

    This blog post might also be of interest if you have not seen it already.
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-7-tribes-of-intellect/

    • Thanks: vhrm, Arclight
    • Replies: @Olorin
  275. @Reg Cæsar

    In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values; or participates in an action that goes against one of these three, and experiences psychological stress because of that. According to this theory, when two actions or ideas are not psychologically consistent with each other, people do all in their power to change them until they become consistent.[1] The discomfort is triggered by the person’s belief clashing with new information perceived, wherein they try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.[1][2]

    In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency to function mentally in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. They tend to make changes to justify the stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance or by avoiding circumstances and contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.[2]

    Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

  276. Olorin says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is just how certain individuals in these far-flung locales let their neighbors know that they are watching and soon will be reporting any dissonant views–real or imagined–to whatever authorities.

    They’re getting out ahead of the pack by announcing their Chekatism. They instinctively see the color revolution graffiti on the wall and they intend to preserve themselves by out-NKVDing whoever they can.

    Many of them are using the “hyperlocal social networking service” NextDoor, btw, to snitch on neighbors…but others have other mechanisms. Here in Pugetopolis, Gov. Jay Inslee established a snitch line for people to narc on neighbors…or competing small businesses…who violate the ever-shifting orthodoxies of the Branch Covidians.

    https://www.wethegoverned.com/governor-jay-inslees-snitch-list-the-second-batch/

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @anon
  277. Lowe says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Trump should make a tweet blaming the NYT and their 1619 project for this statue being torn down.

    Twitter will tag it, but everyone knows it’s true. They are responsible for this.

  278. @Spangel

    it’s been a long time since people have thought of Mexicans as lazy

    I’ve thought about that as well. Stereotypes that fail the reality-check disappear. Like the old “dumb Polack” jokes. They can’t survive if there’s no truth to them.

    • Replies: @d.deaconn
  279. Olorin says:
    @res

    Also (from Al Fin):

    • Replies: @res
  280. @anon

    For some real laughs, ask the average left-leaning friend what proportion of blacks or browns are in jail solely because of non-violent drug offenses.

    (Or because of “three strikes” laws for petty offenses.)

    What’s the answer?

    I have to wonder, because we constantly hear that the US criminal justice system is harsh to blacks; yet the evidence seems to contradict this. George Floyd got 5 years for a home invasion in which he pressed a gun against a pregnant woman’s abdomen. Why not 20 years? Rashid Brimmage, who played the knockout game against a 92-year-old woman, had been arrested more than 100 times.

    If these lowlifes were walking free, how bad are the 2 million Americans who are in prison?

  281. El Dato says:

    European Parliament resolution of 19 June 2020 on the anti-racism protests following the death of George Floyd (2020/2685(RSP))”

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2020-0173_EN.pdf

    11 pages of liberal-authoritarian Baizuo scrip. Message: “All hands on deck!” … as European cities become a diversity carousel.

    Not a word about Cancel Culture and Maoist iconoclasm. It’s okay!

    The European Parliament:

    Point 1: Affirms that Black Lives Matter;

    Point 2: Strongly condemns the appalling death of George Floyd in the US, as well as similar killings elsewhere in the world [!]; expresses its condolences to his relatives and friends, and those of other victims; urges the authorities to investigate this and similar cases thoroughly and bring those responsible to justice

    etc. etc.

    Most importantly, there will be more meetings by meeting-generating outfits about everything:

    Point 9. Calls for closer multilateral cooperation to combat racism and discrimination; calls on the Commission to liaise closely with international actors such as the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), the UN, the African Union [I’m sure they have people who can give good advice] and the Council of Europe [not to be confused with the European Council], as well as other international partners, in order to combat racism at an international level [yup]; welcomes the request of 54 African countries for an urgent debate at the UN Human Rights Council to be held on 17 June 2020 on the ‘current racially inspired human rights violations, systemic racism, police brutality and the violence against peaceful protests’

    Point 17. Invites the EU leaders to organise a European Anti-Racism Summit on combating structural discrimination in Europe in the near future; urges the Commission to come forward with a comprehensive strategy against racism and discrimination and an EU framework for national action plans against racism with a dedicated component on fighting against these phenomena in the law enforcement services, while taking an intersectional approach [what does that even mean?]; urges the Council to set up a dedicated Council configuration for equality; calls for the EU institutions to establish an interinstitutional task force to fight racism and discrimination at EU level;

    Cc: to everyone!

    Point 37. Instructs its President to forward this resolution to the Council, the Commission, the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative for the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, the EU Special Representative for Human Rights, the governments and parliaments of the Member States, the Council of Europe, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, the United Nations, US President Donald Trump and his administration, and the US Congress.

    A waste of perfectly good trees.

  282. d.deaconn says:

    another cause for the death of natural instinct – the death of traditional (and dare I say, race-realist enough) Christian religion. since now everything has to be tabled and measured for the materialist, secular or otherwise, there is no instinct anymore. just labcoating and golfing around. trust your black doctor, he has a degree, we can measure that right?

    (btw, Ioannidis is still right… we shall see how many pneumonias the protesters catch, they seem real lively so far… must be some strong weed-smoke-filled lungs huh!)

    and well, when particularly talking about the natural instinct of racial awareness, that was further washed down by plastic suburban materialism, isolating normie whites from danger for decades and turning out ever more disconnected consumers. the phony multicultural suburbs are the worst hit, because they usually have enough “talented tenths” at first to lull the locals into a sense of security – dangerously they stop minding more coming.

    a tipping point is needed… pray it doesn’t need blood.

  283. @El Dato

    He called on white Americans to recognize “the level of frustration and exasperation, and almost the sense of hopelessness that exists within the African American community”.

    As a white American, I feel a terrible level of frustration and exasperation and almost a sense of hopelessness when I go to Chick-Fil-A for a grilled chicken sandwich and a frozen lemonade and find it closed, because it’s Sunday.

    Why no honor, dignity, and respect for the Agnostic-American community of which I am a member?

  284. If most people once believed in the Big Book of Jewish Fairytales there is truly no bounds to man’s religious module and the illusions it creates. It’s like our minds evolved to deal with cognitive dissonance for the sake of group religious belief.

    Like Steve, I’m a bit odd. My problem is that I’m at the tail end of the religiosity bell curve. Always have been. I hate group enthusiasms. I’m a curmudgeon, a hater. It helps for intellectual inquiry, but at a cost (also, I imagine, from an evolutionary perspective – why we have bell curves). For example, in my Sh-t Lib Whitopia I’m the only one with a pro-police sign. We’re a social species so it’s usually not good to be an outcast.

    There is some hope. As noted on these threads before, I went to half-Black schools. One of them in particular was a magnet school with a lot of talented Whites. I’ve kept in contact with two of them and they tacitly acknowledge race realism in private. These are standard Obama Democrats but their experience with “Diversity” had a lasting impact. I think on the left you have both true religious believers and also those that suspect race differences but still support the Progressive approach and keep their mouths shut. Like me at Temple.

  285. Ed says:
    @Alfa158

    I work at the DC Wharf, during the summer you’ll see more rainbow flags, then American ones on boats. BLM flags are becoming rainbow flags, markers of the liberal tribe.

  286. trelane says:

    Do Progressives Actually Know HateStats?

    No, they probably don’t. Next question…

  287. @Fat tub of lard

    Being a rare gay man on the (far?) right these days, I can tell you that you do miss some things about homosexuality. Time and time again I see people say that “most gays want to convert children”, “gays are caused by molestation”, “gays are massively overrepresented among pedos”, which are all 50s talking points that are simply not true and born out of pure ignorance and repetition of lies, and if you press people for sources you always arrive at a pseudoscientific religious-affiliated organization with BS statistics. The Church used to serve the same function as the media does today in that regard. However, you will not see honest discussions about the high rates of promiscuity, STDs, and addictive behaviours in respectable media, which is true and a real issue any gay man in a big city is aware of.

    When it comes to blacks, what “we” are missing is most likely something similar–that there are many law-abiding and well-socialized blacks who are treated poorly based on the presumption that they will behave like antisocial blacks, and that this is legitimately unfair and deserves to be acknowledged and fixed and will understandably cause someone to become suspicious of police and have resentment towards whites. Something like that. I don’t even know if that’s true. But it’s good to be skeptical about your own knowledge.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Bill P
  288. Whiskey says: • Website

    Jimmy Kimmel and Fallon have been cancelled for Blackface skits on their shows. JK Rowling’s book has been cancelled as Hachettes workers won’t produce it

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  289. d.deaconn says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    idk, it was true for a while, due to the lower-IQ dregs of Poland being the ones fleeing the most and getting the brunt of the jokes. also, perhaps it was a subdued antisemite joke. who knows, hope i’m not giving SPLC any ideas and Pollack jokes are banned. although they haven’t been popular since the 40s probably.

    anyway, in the case of Mexicans it’s the reverse, you’re getting the more hard-working Mexicans, specially those who are made to toil in certain jobs and get ahead (only some). that said, for other things the Mexicans may still be lazier and ruder than the average American, for example being late as if it was a custom, jaywalk, step on grass, not tipping a lot, honking horn, talking in the movie theater, parking on the fire lane, etc…

    although, it has to be said, the average of Americans is going way down. perhaps this explains the increasing commonalities and intermarriage: white man who can’t get a white girl settles for a mexicana, which has the added butt bonus without being black, and only halfway as crazy as a black woman and more domestic than a white one (though increasingly less so, latinas are getting that feminist poison and some can be quite deranged with it).

    meanwhile Mexicans do have some middle class among them, specially as their country has become less and less Amerindian; although also, less castizo, as without the Catholic colonial racial separate rights everything is slowly mixing into stolid brown. perhaps not all will mix in, and the mestizos make a somewhat hardworking yet defective middle class – will it be enough? probably not, at least not to get out of debt servitude towards whatever world powers of the age (currently China is replacing the US as creditor/colonial exploiter).

    that said, the Mexicans that are more settled and/or basic do tend to be lazy: on one end the castizos used to not working as hard, on the other the sons of natives and mestizos that perhaps also lived an easier life in a hood or village and didn’t/couldn’t have to pay taxes or healthcare. generation also has to do with it, the newcomers come to eat the world, but as the years pass they settle and slowly revert back to the mean, and their kids much more so.

    granted, whites could set the mean higher, but they are going the way of the elves… and yellows rather rule by themselves.

  290. @Bill Jones

    Thank you for being so nice as to call it a “minor typo”, Bill! It was indeed a typo, as I meant to put “X”‘s. Too much of a hurry there.

  291. @Pat Boyle

    Today we are celebrating Juneteenth.

    We are?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  292. J.Ross says:

    This might look irrelevant but it’s objectively the perfect answer to the question-headline: Do progressives know relevant statistics?
    Oh my god, dude, just go geothermal! Remember to get some, like, shovels! Just cinch it, paper bag it!

    • Replies: @anon
  293. S says:
    @slumber_j

    All trustees and at least one parent/guardian from each student’s household will be required to participate in [‘anti-racism’] training at an interval to be determined.

    So, at least one parent of the student will have to attend periodic anti-race training.

    As a related aside, one of Oswald’s big complaints about the Soviet Union were the regular mandatory after hours political indoctrination meetings the workers had to attend.

  294. @Yngvar

    their kids being assigned to ‘good schools’.

    With school assignment by mc’district, who needs segregation?

  295. @Whiskey

    In CCD (Confraternity if Christian Doctrine — Catholic religious education if your mom was enough of an independent thinker not to send you to Catholic school) the lay instructor of junior high students told us it was the Reed Sea, not the Red Sea, and that winds would rise up across that marshy puddle to push the waters aside.

    Water into wine? The Gospel parables are obvious moral tales and not reality, but there was a lot going on there in Cana. Jesus’ mom nagged him into this miracle and Jesus snapped at her, “Woman, what has this to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” Mary, The Mother of God “takes” this back talk and tells the people serving at the wedding banquet, “Do whatever he tells you.”

    This is quite a family drama going on, expressed in a small number of words, between Jesus and Mary, isn’t it? Mary must know a thing or two at this point on Who Her Son Really Is to drop the hint, “They have no wine”, I mean, she wasn’t slipping him a couple of gold pieces and telling him to go into town and purchase a large quantity of wine to keep the party going. But when told, “Woman . . . My hour has not come”, I mean, what guy calls is mom, “Woman”, Mary isn’t knocked off her stride demanding this miracle of Him even if it doesn’t fit into the Divine Plan of what is to unfold in his earthly ministry. She tells the servants “Do whatever he tells you.” The whole of Christian teaching on prayer and, yes, not being shy about what you ask for and persisting in the asking is all in that exchange.

    But then comes the penultimate moment when after Jesus instructs the servants to draw some of the water, a lot of water filling some big containers, and take it to the head waiter without telling them that it came from those water jars for tasting to see “if it was good”, the head waiter tastes it to be really, really good wine and remarks to the bridegroom that the custom is to reserve the cheap wine for when the guests have gotten a buzz on, but bro, you’ve got this reversed.

    So Jesus’ hour of initiating His Divine Plan had come inasmuch as it really impresses his disciples, and the “saving the best for last” is metaphorical of the Lord sending his prophets, but saving the best, his own Son, for last. So everyone, and I mean a lot of parish priests with all of their seminary training, dwelling on the miraculous aspect of pouring water into a jar and out comes wine, but the whole episode is laden with symbolic and metaphorical meaning that goes “woosh” over a lot of people’s heads. You also have to remember that this account is in John, and the Gospel of John is different from the other Gospels. It starts out “In the beginning was the Word (Logos) . . .”, continues with “We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” and spends the rest of this work offering various evidences and demonstrations of this initial statement.

    Multiplication of the loaves and fishes — don’t know what to make of that one.

    Jesus actually died on the cross, not just went into a coma or a swoon to be rescued later by his followers but died? A recent writer, a believer, yes, but someone knowledgeable about the art of modern medical examiners stated the account of Jesus being stabbed and water and blood coming out is a proof to us 20 centuries later that Jesus was dead at this point. This account of Jesus being wounded by a Roman soldier has been preserved over this gulf of time with all kinds of strange theories for this being some kind of miracle, with modern forensic science telling us that after death, fluid accumulates in the chest, and blood and clear fluid coming out of the stab wound is one of those time-of-death signs known to science only recently in connection with trying to solve murder cases.

    What happened to Jesus’ body? It went, “poof”, gone, the Empty Tomb in how the Gospel of Mark ends, the burial sheets just laying there being the hope and underpinning of the belief system of Christians everywhere and over time.

    So what about Jesus in the Resurrection, who preached to his followers over the next 40 days? This Jesus asked Thomas to probe his wounds, including that nasty stab wound in the chest, but we don’t really know if Thomas ever touched Jesus after seeing Jesus and believing at that point. Jesus, I guess, ate with the disciples, but he had the ability to enter and leave a locked room, it seemed, at will. So what exactly was the nature of Jesus after his death is a faith mystery as is what the disciples experienced, because I believe Paul later states that Jesus didn’t appear to everybody and anybody, just to a select few, and to some, it took them a while to get clued in. That Jesus died as much as anyone is determined to be dead by modern science, and an anachronistic proof of this is preserved in Scripture because there would be no reason for the writers thousands of years ago to make up something that they couldn’t figure out what it meant, is an underpinning of Christian faith as is the Empty Tomb, with everything else in between something that you could describe as metaphor rather than mythical?

    Is belief in just one supernatural event, the Empty Tomb, contradicting being a scientist or a research engineer? A scientist, maybe, but an engineer is allowed to believe in anything provided the bridge stays up and the rocket doesn’t blow up, the lights stay on and the car goes 6000 miles between oil changes. If one believes in one supernatural event, and yeah, yeah James Randi and the professional skeptics, can one believe in other supernatural events? Hebrew scholar and Christian apologist Michael Heiser has a lot to say that he disbelieves in what the UFO enthusiasts say about Daniel and Ezekiel because 1) what the UFO enthusiasts have to say contradicts what he, Michael Heiser knows about the mythological symbolism of the Ancient Near East and 2) the UFO enthusiasts are clinging to a materialistic explanation of everything and excluding supernatural explanations of accounts in the Bible, much as anyone experiencing anything today and now touching on the supernatural is derided.

    Watch some of Michael Heiser’s videos, he has much to say about how a supernatural explanation is consistent with what people in the Bible experienced and how such experiences would be related in Hebrew and Aramaic and that the Ancient Astronauts people don’t know what they are talking about.
    Of course the “scientific” explanation is that the Bible is all made up. Is it?

  296. @DextersLabRat

    The Church used to serve the same function as the media does today in that regard.

    Not if you mean the Catholic Church. Her position has always been that non-marital erotic activity is a moral disorder, not a mental disorder. The latter was the idea of earlier manifestations of progressivism, as were eugenics and Prohibition. They tried to turn everything into a science.

    And, of course, today’s progressives hate the work of yesterday’s, as tomorrow’s will hate today’s. But it’s always an obverse of the earlier stance, i.e., the other side of the same progressive coin slug.

  297. @John Pepple

    The Muslim issue is a whole different level of cognitive dissonance and doublethink. Leftists are generally much more aware of how awful Islam is to women and gays than they are of black crime and dysfunction. When you mention that letting in millions of them into tolerant Europe may cause issues their crimestop activates and works overtime to keep them from understanding. They come up with all kinds of excuses. “They will integrate and change their views” is the favourite. No, they don’t care if the existing Muslims haven’t integrated at all.

  298. @Kibernetika

    Today we are celebrating Juneteenth.

    We are?

    It’s about freedom. But we’re still not free of them, are we?

  299. Bill P says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Gays get away with a lot more than straight guys can in that regard. That in itself is a source of resentment that is rarely spoken out loud. Think it’s hard being in the closet? Try being a married straight guy with a few kids on for size.

    To be fair, most gays I’ve known have been sympathetic, but I know they sometimes laugh cruelly about it in moments of candor.

    However, this fairness angle regarding blacks is totally fabricated, and whites have no reason whatsoever to feel guilty about it. The natural response should be to let them take care of themselves if whites are so mean to them. But these goodwhites don’t seem to think that’s viable. Why not? Why, one has to wonder, do these goodwhites insist on having strong, competent, working-class white boys manage black communities?

    The question answers itself, but in the meanwhile it’s time for us non-elite whites to ask what we get out of it.

    I’m a softy in real life, so I can’t help but sympathize with blacks. I like most of the blacks I know, and they know that police are a huge asset to them. Despite their recent behavior, I find it hard to justify just leaving them in some dump of a ghetto where they are ruled by the worst of their race. But given the demands of the current crop of white radicals, do we have any other choice at this point?

    Hell if I’d let one of my sons work as a cop today if I had any say in it.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  300. J.Ross says:

    Some of you might remember a while back that a respectable Canadian with no prior record went on an oddly well-prepared shooting rampage (he had his own police car, for example, which is better than Breivik had). Maclean’s in Canada makes the (Goldberg) Atlantic look like Fortean Times, they are a totally above-board respectable institution.

    A mainstream, reputable news source in Canada is now reporting that the Nova Scotia shooter received half a million dollars a few weeks prior to the shooting in a manner consistent with how the RCMP distributes cash during undercover operations.

    https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-nova-scotia-shooter-case-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/

    I’m running out of iced tea.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  301. Steve, in reality, the current raft of riots by blacks and their supporters is aimed at regaining the top of the Pokemon point totem pole from the gays:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/lesbian-fired-job-artist-caught-following-mike-cernovich-jack-posobiec-infowars-twitter/

  302. S says:
    @slumber_j

    All trustees and at least one parent/guardian from each student’s household will be required to participate in [‘anti-racism’] training at an interval to be determined.

    So, at least one parent of the student will have to attend periodic anti-race training.

    As a related aside, one of Oswald’s big complaints about the Soviet Union were the regular mandatory after hours political indoctrination meetings the workers had to attend.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  303. @J.Ross

    The Canadian shooter was a prosperous middle-aged man who owned a couple of dental clinics.

    Very strange.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  304. slumber_j says:
    @res

    They were like, Oh, okay. Huh. Go figure.

    It didn’t seem to move the needle at all.

  305. J1234 says:

    But now we have to navigate an additional level of protective stupidity, where not only are we not supposed to mention the truth, but we are supposed to make a great show of being utterly ignorant of it

    I love the way that’s stated. True morality and righteousness blinds…like Saul was blinded on his way to Damascus. A corruption of the Christian theme of conversion into a secular context? Probably.

  306. slumber_j says:
    @slumber_j

    @stevesailer This is a really rich text for you btw. Maybe the fanciest girls’ school on the UES of Manhattan–although I guess Chapin gives it a run for its money. Anyway, the text is genuine. Why does nobody ever comment on how creepy “training” is?

  307. slumber_j says:
    @S

    Yeah, why does nobody ever say that “training” is inherently creepy?

  308. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A Canadian dentist, superficially living the North American dream, with every reason to be happy, suddenly finds himself thrust into a world of danger and fear …

  309. @Anonymous

    This is Mary Eberstadt’s thesis in Primal Screams. Young people today have an identity crisis because their families are screwed up and broken.

    Kids need their fathers to be there and to lead. When that doesn’t happen, the boys go wild and the girls go crazy.

    so here we are today. **sipping tea**

  310. Jim Given says:

    If you are a good-thinker the you know what is true. So what good are the stats? If they confirm one’s prejudices, they are correct. If they don’t, they’re just hate-inspired junk. Stats don’t reveal the Truth. The Truth evaluates stats.

  311. @Whiskey

    Jimmy Kimmel and Fallon have been cancelled for Blackface skits on their shows.

    But Animaniacs is still available.

    https://www.looper.com/173185/things-only-adults-notice-in-animaniacs/

  312. newrouter says:
    @Anon

    > This looks like the Trump property tax isn’t affecting these New Yorkers at all. Now, why would anyone want to move to New Jersey? Anyone moving to the northern end of the state has to commute through Camden, which is a pit.<

    That is a rather strange commute . Are they working in Cape May?

  313. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    “Offical PARODY account” right in the profile, 16 followers. Come on man

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  314. @Inquiring Mind

    Sorry, I don’t quite get the gist of what you are trying to write. Could you explain

    [MORE]

    MOAR?

  315. @James Speaks

    BLM is not 666. But it certainly looks like the mark of the Beast

    You’re thinking maybe BeLial?

  316. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    Doesn’t work like you expect since it’s perfectly consistent with their record. It would be like the Soviet Union saying that they were going to kill huge numbers of innocent people and then saying, “just kidding.”
    ——-
    A level-headed young man who will go far in life reports:

    Entire Atlanta Police force has walked off the job and aren’t showing up for shifts. Large gathering forming a “block party” in the heart of Downtown Atlanta near the CNN building [kek].

    Rumors of rioting happening in Raleigh, NC and parts of NY. Statues being torn down in NC as we speak. NBC Reporter and cameraman almost get assaulted by masked Antifa members [kek].

    Tulsa PD and Secret Service have received credible threats of violence aimed toward Trump’s rally tomorrow. Agitators being bussed in from surrounding areas, and some confrontations are already taking place with the Trump supporters who are camping outside the venue.

    Good thing the FBI stopped the Gris Gris Guys or the Betenoir Bandits or whoever, I mean, what with all these violent leftists and unpoliced looters, gosh, why, things would just be even more worser with some Leprechaun Lads added to the mix, I tell ya.

    ——

    I hope that’s true about ATL, god bless them if they did.

  317. Anon 2 says:

    We need to remember that for nonwhites in the U.S., esp. blacks, few things
    are more worthy of celebration than whites, currently at 61%, becoming
    a minority (in the 2040s). They await this moment like others await the
    Second Coming of Christ or the finding of the Holy Grail. Many are
    celebrating early. Hence we can expect lawlessness and attacks on
    whites and on their property to increase in the coming years if only
    because it is the whites who are associated in people’s minds with law
    and order, and when the cat’s away the mice will play. When the whites
    are a minority their possessions will be in nonwhite hands, so the latter might
    as well take some now. The current frenzy of illegal fireworks exploding
    all over New York at night, especially in Flatbush, is a small preview
    of what to expect in the future.

    Few things make people as intoxicated as an increase in their territory.
    The Russians were in a state of euphoria for a couple of years after Putin had
    annexed Crimea in 2014. Similarly blacks and others are looking at white
    properties, houses, and predominantly white cities, and can’t believe that all that
    will soon be theirs. After all, whites ceded California with all its wealth and
    beauty without firing a single shot.

    • Agree: bruce county
  318. @gregor

    Oftentimes it almost feels like a flex: “We know what you are thinking but we dare you to say it.”

    Years ago, when I still listened to “All Things Considered” on NPR, they had a story on a new government report on the alarmingly high level of sexually transmitted diseases among black women. At the end of the report, the host asked the reporter, “What is responsible for this high level?”

    There was a moment’s hesitation on the part of the reporter. What could he possibly say, I wondered; not the obvious, of course. He came out with, “It’s probably a housing issue.”

    Whew. That made no sense, but he saved his job.

  319. TheBoom says:

    The Dissident Right keeps getting lost in the facts. Facts don’t matter for most people. BLM is a religious movement which offers people status, public repentance for their sins and redemption. It also offers you an opportunity to stay as a member of the dominant society and do things like run a business or be employed at a corporation. So carrot and stick. Not a hard choice for most people.

    If we want to get them on our side, we will need to offer them something more compelling than what BLM does. The only thing I can see is offering them is an understanding of reality and that is more of a liability than an asset

    • Agree: Moses, PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @S
  320. jtgw says:

    When I told my Jewish father-in-law, who lives in middle-class white neighborhood in Baltimore, that blacks committed a disproportionate amount of violent crime, he responded “I thought that was a myth”. This is a guy in his 60s who has lived in Baltimore for decades. He appears to get his information entirely from the New York Times and Trevor Noah, though, and I don’t think his life or work have ever really exposed him to the black underclass. I also recently had a Facebook argument with young conservative woman in college who also seemed genuinely ignorant of these well-documented patterns.

    I really do think these stats are news to a lot of people, even older people who should know better. They just never connect the dots and it’s not that surprising if you think about it. E.g. no one, including my in-laws, are ignorant of the fact that cities like Baltimore have unusually high crime and a majority black population. But unless your sources spell out for you that this is a nationwide pattern, you could easily just assume this was a local phenomenon and not representative of blacks as a whole. So you can tell yourself that when you choose to settle in Mt Washington rather than Sandtown-Winchester, it’s just because the former happens to be lower crime with a better school and nothing to do with the demographic make-up, which is of course entirely irrelevant and coincidental. Heck, my mother-in-law says that they settled in Mt Washington because they thought it was “diverse”. There might be one or two black families there but I’ve never seen them when visiting. Interestingly, they’re just a few blocks from Northern Parkway and the Pimlico racetrack; across that street is Park Heights, one of the more dangerous lower-class neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  321. S says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    ..”Game of Thrones,” where Dragon Queen Daenerys Targaryen was always ordering people to “Bend the knee!” or she would burn them alive.

    Deja vu.

    1972’s Conquest of the Planet of the Apes , a thinly veiled allegory, also had a violently enforced bending of the knee.
    The scene occurred after a riot that the police failed to suppress.

    It’s well known about E Howard Hunt’s testimony to Congress that the CIA financed the 1954 British animation of Orwell’s Animal Farm.

    Not so many know that the translator of the 1963 novel Planet of the Apes from French to English, Xan Fielding, had been a quite important wartime British SOE operative in Crete and the Middle East, that Pierre Boulle, the book’s French author, had been a De Gaullist Free French spy in Indo-China and Singapore, and that the script writer/plot developer of four (of the first five) Apes movies, including Conquest.., Paul Dehn, had been an MI-6 major, a political warfare officer to be specific.

    Would be interesting to know the background of Game of Thrones.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dehn

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xan_Fielding

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/kneel-or-you-will-be-knelt/#comment-3974350

  322. Moses says:

    When I was growing up, it used to be that everybody knew this stuff, but it was considered poor taste to mention it publicly.

    It even appeared in popular films, like National Lampoon’s “Vacation” in 1983. Chevy Chase and family get lost in the ‘hood.

    Chevy: “Relax honey, this is a part of America we never get to see!”
    Wife: “That’s good!”

    Could never, ever put truth like this on film today.

  323. @James N. Kennett

    I knew a young lady who got punched in Manhattan by the Free Hugs Guy, who had been arrested dozens of times already for slugging young white women who didn’t want a Free Hug from the Free Hugs Guy. He didn’t get put away for awhile until he did it later on video.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  324. S says:

    When a disturbing number of US POW’s were returning from North Korea as Communists after the war, studies were launched to determine exactly how it was their Red Chinese captors first psychologically broke the men, and then indoctrinated them.

    Dr Robert J Lifton’s 1961 book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism was the result, and he really nailed it. Thought reform is simply another term for mind control, or, ‘brain washing.’

    First of the ‘eight criteria’ to accomplish this was ‘milieu control’, ie the control of information.

    Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    The other seven criteria are:

    Mystical Manipulation. Demand for Purity. Confession. Sacred Science. Loading the Language. Doctrine over person. Dispensing of existence.

    Progressive Multi-culturalism has all the earmarks of being a gigantic cult.

    The good news is that once the men were in the US awhile, and no longer being force fed regular indoctrination from a political commisar, the effects wore off.

    Turn off the TV’s, and if at all possible take your kids out of the public schools.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  325. Marty says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, fine analysis of the Central Park incident but I’m probably only here today thanks to an unusually level-headed black guy.

    In 1991 in Sparks, NV I was in a basketball game, at age 34, with a bunch of teens. Dumb decision, but that’s what being a junkie means. A black kid on the other team was just making up his own rules – traveling, carrying, etc. A guy on my team asked me, WTF? I said to him, “It’s a black thing.” The black kid says to me, “who you calling black?” I answered with all due sarcasm, and he said, “I’ma call my brother.”

    He goes out to the lobby to use the Rec. Director’s phone, and I follow. He tells his brother, “bring the gun.” About 15 minutes later a purple Maxima with smoked windows pulls up in front of the gym. A guy about 27 who looks a lot like Ice-T gets out and walks into the lobby. He talks to his little brother, then comes over to me and asks, “what happened here man?” I tell him. He shakes his head, walks back to his brother, says, “you called me for that shit?”, and walks out.

  326. res says:
    @Olorin

    Thanks. I like your version better. More legible and the numbers at the bottom are informative.

    One clarification I think might be helpful. The ratios at the bottom assume equal populations–which is far off the mark in the US.

    If anyone wants to calculate more accurate population ratios with thresholds of their own choosing, Emil’s tail effects calculator is extremely useful. Some discussion at
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/emil-visualises/
    The calculator itself is at
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects

    Note that the default values correspond to common white and black IQ distribution estimates assuming equal population size and a threshold of IQ=130. The 17:1 ratio differs a fair bit from the 30:1 at 125 in your graphic. I’m not sure what values they used for the IQ distributions. Do you know?

  327. @Olorin

    That’s interesting. We occasionally receive advertisements for

    the “hyperlocal social networking service” NextDoor

    and they are kind of creepy. It seems useless, because we all know each other. I’ve looked, and as far as I can tell only one household within rifle-shot has joined.

    As other commenters have implied, what we need is another kind of neighborly organization. The question is how to maintain that without somehow being persecuted. It may come to that, one way or another. We are already a tacit reality here, without any tech, monitored presence, and that means others probably are across America.

  328. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olorin

    Here in Pugetopolis, Gov. Jay Inslee established a snitch line for people to narc on neighbors…or competing small businesses…who violate the ever-shifting orthodoxies of the Branch Covidians.

    Start by reporting that the people in SPAZ / CHOP are not social distancing. Then find every example of the Seattle mayorette and the Gov. in a crowd, report that. Noo Yawkehs set the standard but I’m sure Seattleoids can live up to it. Send pix from the Underground and point out the toilets are not Socially Distanced. Etc.

  329. Sean says:
    @128

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanotan_II#History Tanning drug that gave eight hour erection.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/james-watson-racism-sexism-dna-race-intelligence-genetics-double-helix-a8725556.html Dr Watson suggested a link between skin colour and libido in 2000, suggesting the skin pigment melanin boosts sex drive. “That’s why you have Latin lovers,” he said. “You’ve never heard of an English lover. Only an English patient.”

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/06/cleansing-scientific-literature-again.html

    Ducrest et al. (2008) reviewed data on over 40 wild vertebrate species showing that within each species, darker pigmented individuals averaged higher levels of aggression and sexual activity than lighter pigmented individuals, with a larger body mass, more resistance to stress, and greater physical activity when grooming. The relationship between coloring and behavioral dominance was robust across three species of mammal (African lion, soay sheep, and white-tailed deer), four species of fish (mosquito fish, guppy, green swordtail, and Arctic charr), four species of reptile (asp viper, adder, fence lizard, and spiny lizard), one amphibian species (spadefoot toad) and 36 species of bird.

    In captive Hermann’s tortoises (Eurotestudo boettgeri), another reptile species, Mafli, Wakamatsu, and Roulin (2011) found darker shell coloration predicted greater aggressiveness and boldness. […] Thus, melanocortin hormone levels predicted the amount of testosterone and other sexual steroids along with concomitant increases (or decreases) in aggression and sexual behavior.

    In highly polygynous societies, such as those of sub-Saharan Africa, darker-skinned men would be seen as more masculine, and threatening, by other men … and by women. Among human populations, darkness of skin correlates significantly with the polygyny rate, even after adjusting for latitudinal variation in skin color (Manning et al. 2004). It looks like selection has favored a darker color in adult males, particularly in a context of intra-male rivalry for mates, and this selection has probably occurred in many species.

    • Replies: @Kyle
  330. @jtgw

    jtgw wrote:

    When I told my Jewish father-in-law, who lives in middle-class white neighborhood in Baltimore, that blacks committed a disproportionate amount of violent crime, he responded “I thought that was a myth”. This is a guy in his 60s who has lived in Baltimore for decades. He appears to get his information entirely from the New York Times and Trevor Noah, though, and I don’t think his life or work have ever really exposed him to the black underclass.

    You think he would wander around in Harlem at three in the morning? Or any other black underclass section of any American city?

    He knows.

    If you pushed really hard, he would admit that he knows. But he would get angry at you. And he would probably respond by admitting that this is a sign of his inadequacy that he must work harder on correcting.

    Have you ever been around fundamentalist Christians? Similar psychology. In daily life, they ignore the obvious contradiction between their actual lives and the demands of the Gospels. On Sunday, they admit that they are sinners all and should try harder. And the really good ones can break out in tears and beg God’s forgiveness for their evil sins. Google Jimmy Swaggart’s public confession — boy, was he good.

    The whole point of the whole process is that because you or I cannot go through this strange drama, we are not as good as they are.

    I grew up among fundamentalists like this. I could never get it. Why not just really do what the Gospels said on a weekday basis — give all you have to the poor, etc.? But, aside from the fact that they did not want to do this, it would ruin the whole drama — if you actually were Christ-like, where is the fun in confessing your deep sins?

    It is all a very strange passion play with only a passing connection to normal human life and normal human morality.

    But it can get people killed — the Cultural Revolution, the French Terror, the Inquisition, and all the rest.

  331. Ron Unz says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Rather than posting or speaking HateStats, as Mr. Blank proposed, I have found it more fruitful to ask a pseudo-naive question of the subject. This usually reveals an answer while stirring less social dislocation than would a bald proclamation of statistical reality.

    My own approach to “controversial” issues has been somewhat different. Here’s how I described it a few months ago:

    Yes, it’s a very difficult problem breaking through many decades of powerful media conditioning.

    The approach I try to follow is somewhat analogous to how a virus will use its protein coat to pierce a cellular membrane, then inject its DNA into the interior.

    For example, my American Pravda articles almost invariably begin in a highly innocuous manner, making claims and arguments that are extremely mainstream and respectable, ones that would hardly raise concerns in even the most nervous reader. This attaches to the existing membrane.

    I often then try to draw upon ultra-respectable sources to raise a couple of very surprising points, but ones that hardly challenge the reader’s world-view or set off ideological alarms. This tends to soften the existing membrane.

    Gradually the text begins to draw upon these same highly reputable sources to begin raising far more controversial issues, trying to inject these notions deep into the reader’s mental framework of reality, hoping that they “take” and multiply, or at least weaken the ideological defense system sufficiently that a later round might have that effect.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-targeted-ukraine-airlines-flight-752-iran-shot-it-down-but-there-may-be-more-to-the-story/?showcomments#comment-3664602

    Anyway, that’s the strategy I’ve generally followed in my American Pravda series, most of which deals with topics *vastly* more “touchy” and “controversial” than mere differences in black/white crime rates…

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  332. @gregor

    gregor write:

    Oftentimes it almost feels like a flex: “We know what you are thinking but we dare you to say it.”

    The whole point is to prove their control. Free people can say what they think. Slaves say what the Master wants them to say. Or else.

    It’s the same logic as fraternity hazing. You prove your loyalty to the frat by putting up with personal humiliation.

    Not something free, mature adults will tolerate.

    Not too many free, mature adults left in Western countries, I fear.

  333. Marty says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Here’s a true story from the ‘80’s in a California county famous for its handling of crime.

    A black guy was being sentenced on a second burglary fall. The veteran judge, a soft-looking guy who actually worked out at lunch almost every day with his bailiff, a former U.S.C. fullback, was empowered to impose a term of 3, 5, or 7 years. The judge gave him 5 years.

    As the bailiff led him away, the guy spun around and yelled, “you’re a fat, ugly, motherfucker!” The judge said, “bailiff, bring that man back here.” Uh-oh.

    Then the judge said, “sir, I’ll have you know, I am not fat.”

  334. Anonymous[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    TwoEightyNine, how did you manage to hang this on “boomers?”

    See “Woodstock, Summer of Love.”

    Also, consider the Loud family. First running documentary series about a modern American family. The parents filed for divorce during the run of the series. All too typical for their time.
    The leaders of tomorrow, the producers of hell spawn we enjoy today.

  335. @Bill P

    Gays get away with a lot more than straight guys can in that regard. That in itself is a source of resentment that is rarely spoken out loud. Think it’s hard being in the closet? Try being a married straight guy with a few kids on for size.

    That is fascinating to me, I had geniunely never imagined that straight men might envy the sexual ease and freedom from responsibilities of gay men. It’s always seemed to me that the idea of being gay is so off-putting and insulting to most straight men that they wouldn’t have the desire to think about the (apparent) positives.

  336. S says:
    @TheBoom

    BLM is a religious movement which offers people status, public repentance for their sins and redemption.

    If we want to get them on our side, we will need to offer them something more compelling than what BLM does.

    Well, if people feel bad about past missteps, offer them a chance to correct past errors and make amends, within the context of they and their people living, not dying. That’s how healthy, and dare it be said, normal, people do things.

    Figuratively, at present, with the so called progressives, as in Logan’s Run, they’ve got people programmed to believe in the false hope of ‘carousel’, no matter people attempting to warn them it’s a lie and a dead end.

  337. @Harry Baldwin

    Currently, taking a knee feels like paying obeisance to a conqueror rather than protesting police brutality.

    The origin of the kneeling — i.e. with Colin Kaepernick on the football field — has been mostly superseded by a much simpler interpretation, i.e. that white people need to bow down to show ‘respect’ and contrition.

    Some Americans surely remember how this kneeling all started, but the protesters/rioters in other countries don’t.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  338. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    Jesus doesn’t talk AT ALL like Socrates. For starters, just look at the length of a Gospel (any) and the length of a Dialogue (say Protagoras). Jesus did not utter a word of defense in from of Pilates. The Apology, on the other hand, is a long, reasoned argument about Sócrates’ innocence. Our Lord teaches mainly through acts: his life, his death, his resurrection. When he speaks, it is briefly or in parables.

    Sacred Scripture you should read meditatively.. Plato otoh engages your capacity for abstract thought and sustained argumentation on specific, abstract questions: beauty, science, soul, erotic love, justice, rethoric.

    But perhaps you should notice that neither wrote anything, both were killed by the State, and both spoke of the transcendent destiny of the human soul.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  339. @Anon

    My impression of Jesus is that he wasn’t a super-nice guy. He’s pretty snarky. He also doesn’t strike me as terribly Jewish. The guy he reminds me of, although it’s perhaps just my generational impression of who was the famous person in the world when I was an adolescent, is John Lennon.

  340. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I have found some black women to be very attractive. I do not think there is an inborn revulsion to people who are black.

    I think the revulsion comes from their out of control crime rates and the fear and suspicion this engenders.

    I also think that having separate standards for different groups of people creates resentment and fosters racial antagonism and a desire to just not deal with black people in a fair and transparent manner.

    I do not share this innate revulsion but I am most definitely careful around young black men and do not believe in any egalitarian nonsense. I saw what black people did to my South Side Chicago neighborhood and I knew it had nothing to do with racism but with black people behaving badly.

    The only hope for assimilation is for people to be treated equally and for blacks to do a lot better job with their behavior. The good blacks get tarred because of the off the chart stupidity of their less talented bretheren. I call them the untalented fifty percent.

  341. Coemgen says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s the act of badgering someone to grovel.

    The current example:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/501661-piers-morgan-trump-should-take-a-knee-in-oval-office-on-live-tv-to-unify

    This is not a new thing. It’s a particularly vile act. It’s clear the badger wants to frame his victim as some kind of pariah (e.g., racist AKA thoughtcrime).

    Why do I not have a good epithet for this kind of badgering? Something that would knock the badgerer back on his heels.

    • Replies: @Charon
  342. Kyle says:
    @vhrm

    I went to public school. We had bussing so every school I went to from first grade to high school had about average population level distribution of the races. At the time. They were all about 70% white, 10% black, 10% Mexican, 10% Asian. A short few years later and these distributions probably aren’t representative anymore. But at the time they were. One of the things you learn in public school is that the average black student had zero desire to be in school, and are never in a hurry to get to class on time. Huge fat black black girls will slowly shuffle four or five abreast down narrow corridors impeding not only their own education, but also anyone unfortunate enough to be trapped in their wake. They won’t respond to you asking them politely to step aside. Like females of any race they don’t keep their head on a swivel they don’t believe they could possibly be invading another persons physical space. They only thing they respond to is physical and verbal assault. To get around them you have to pick out the smallest one on the flank and shove her out of the way while shouting expletives at the rest of them. Here’s another thing I learned in Spanish class in the seventh grade. Spanish is a Latin based language and it’s extremely easy to spell words. Every vowel and consonant is pronounced pretty uniformly, unlike English. So I discovered I was a natural at spelling in Spanish because every word was spelled exactly how it was pronounced. Unfailingly, even though they spoke spanish, all four Mexican kids in my class could not spell any words in Spanish. These kids could allegedly read and write in English. I don’t know how they could be in the 7th grade and not read and write English. And here they were sitting in Spanish class, their native at tongue, all utterly unable to spell words using the Latin script. When I, a native English speaker not able to understand a lick of Spanish, had easily deduced that every word of Spanish is always spelled exactly how it is pronounced. I always knew I was smarter than everyone else because I always scored in the 99th percentile on the state standardized tests. But that was mind blowing. That made me start thinking about the differences between “they” and “us” instead of “me” and “everyone else.” Cultural differences can’t explain that, you’d expect they would be better at spelling in their own language. Nope.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  343. Charon says:
    @Coemgen

    Someone needs to tell St. Piers that Hell will freeze over long before Donald Trump will perform a stunt like that, in the Oval Office or elsewhere.

  344. @Ron Unz

    I can confirm that the approach you describe has been effective in causing me to reconsider many things I had heretofore thought of as long settled. On the other hand, not everyone has the time, inclination, or open-mindedness to engage with a ten thousand word essay on a subject of which they believe themselves already adequately informed. Indeed, in our increasingly Twitter-ized culture, the chances to engage with anyone cerebrally for an hour are vastly outstripped by possibilities—and often the necessity—of engaging much more briefly: just with a Socratic question or an epigrammatic one-liner. So I look for ways to do this. I do this not only because the “market” is large and growing, but also because the effort of distilling a complex matter down to a single essential question or statement forces me to ask what the essence of these matters really is. Of course, one must also learn to be aware of the social environment: what kinds of statements are more or less likely to be allowed and considered versus automatically rejected out of hand due to “decades of powerful media conditioning” as you aptly call it.

    On the subject of your American Pravda series, I should express my disoriented gratitude for what must have been tremendous effort in drafting those documentations of mass media malfeasance. I say “disoriented” because the effect of reading them has been somewhat like the exit from Plato’s cave. I can now see much more clearly that—which I long suspected—I was being lied to in that subterranean media enclosure, yet in gaining egress from the mind prison, one now stands in the glaring light of an unfamiliar sun. I am now (even more) estranged from a world that, whatever its faults, was once familiar and to which I was accustomed. But of course, in Plato’s original metaphor he recognized that drawing anyone from the cave’s darkness will not necessarily be greeted happily.

    If you don’t mind my asking, this has made me curious how it was that you yourself shook off the shackles of media’s pervasive conditioning? I can presume to see some parallels between my life and yours, e.g., somewhat atypical early life, Ivy League education, early conservative/libertarian political leanings, some work in the corridors of finance and tech (albeit with far less success in my case), yet I have had the benefit of the Unz Review as a guide, but the founder of the Unz Review obviously did not. So who or what performed the function of the Unz Review for the Unz Review‘s founder? Who showed Plato the exit from Plato’s cave?

    I said above that my question is motivated by curiosity, which is true, but it is also motivated by the larger interest of de-conditioning. I can’t get everyone to read American Pravda, but maybe that’s not really necessary. Maybe there are other avenues, hidden trapdoors that will allow some sunlight to penetrate the media’s subterranean darkness? After all, if it is good to free captives from the cave, isn’t it even better to end the darkness of the cave itself?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  345. @Steve Sailer

    Well, maybe you’re batting .500 on that, Steve.

    Jesus definitely wasn’t nice. Reducing the Incarnation of the second person of the Trinity to a ‘nice guy’ who doesn’t put the fear of God into anybody is the biggest mistake the Church has made in the past 50 years.

    But John Lennon?

    • Replies: @benjaminl
  346. Kyle says:
    @Sean

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3812375/

    Mean abstinence was 3.2 days. Mean (median; 5th – 95th percentile) values were: semen volume, 3.9 (3.7; 1.5 – 6.8) ml; sperm concentration, 60 (67; 12–192) × 106/ml; total sperm count 209 (240; 32–763) × 106; % motile, 51 (52; 28–67) %; and total motile sperm count, 104 (128; 14–395) × 106, respectively. Values for sperm morphology were 11 (10; 3–20) % and 57 (59; 38–72) % normal forms for WHO, 1999 (strict) and WHO, 1987 criteria, respectively. Black men had significantly lower semen volume, sperm concentration and total motile sperm counts than White and Hispanic/Latino men. Semen parameters were marginally higher in men who achieved pregnancy more quickly but differences were small and not statistically significant.

    Testicle size is directly proportional to things like sperm production and testosterone production. Blacks commit murder at 8x the rate of hispanic & non-hispanic whites, that’s an established hate fact here in the isteve comment section. It’s interesting that whites have larger testicles and produce more & better sperm, but are also 8x less likely to commit homicide. Especially after looking at the research you’ve posted about melanin levels. It’s all very puzzling.

    • Replies: @Sean
  347. Ron Unz says:
    @Almost Missouri

    On the other hand, not everyone has the time, inclination, or open-mindedness to engage with a ten thousand word essay on a subject of which they believe themselves already adequately informed. Indeed, in our increasingly Twitter-ized culture, the chances to engage with anyone cerebrally for an hour are vastly outstripped by possibilities—and often the necessity—of engaging much more briefly: just with a Socratic question or an epigrammatic one-liner. So I look for ways to do this.

    Sure, many different approaches are useful in targeting various different potential audiences.

    On the subject of your American Pravda series, I should express my disoriented gratitude for what must have been tremendous effort in drafting those documentations of mass media malfeasance. I say “disoriented” because the effect of reading them has been somewhat like the exit from Plato’s cave.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    If you don’t mind my asking, this has made me curious how it was that you yourself shook off the shackles of media’s pervasive conditioning?…Who showed Plato the exit from Plato’s cave?

    Well, my impression is that 95% of the people who describe themselves as “red-pilled” first became so on race, but that was not at all true in my case. I’d say that very few of my views on racial issues, including quite controversial ones, have much changed since the age of 9 or 10. But because I recognized the powerful social taboos almost simultaneously with the underlying racial issues themselves, I never experienced the slightest problem during the decades I spent in mainstream/elite circles. People who haven’t yet figured out what’s really going on are much more likely to carelessly say the wrong thing and get themselves into trouble.

    As for the topics covered in my American Pravda series, probably the big turning point was the WMDs in the Iraq War. After all, if something so huge could be fabricated/covered up by the MSM, many other things suddenly seemed possible. During that same period, I was digitizing the archives of many of America’s leading publications of the last 150 years, and noticed that the picture they presented of the past seemed quite different than what I had always assumed based upon my textbooks and newspapers. Finally, the Internet was growing around the same time, and I browsed many websites that raised lots of issues, while Amazon made it easy to buy old or obscure books that came to my attention.

    Another crucial turning point was Sydney Schanberg’s McCain/POW work. Schanberg was one of America’s most celebrated journalists and a former top editor at the NYT. If his massively-documented expose was totally suppressed, ignored, and hidden, it seemed to me that lots of other “controversial” realities by lesser figures might easily have suffered the same fate, so I became much more receptive to various clues when I happened to stumble across them.

    Many of my individual American Pravda articles describe the circumstances of each particular “discovery.”

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  348. Uncle Dan says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    They’re not mutually exclusive. They believe the decent #1, but that’s just the belief category. They act #2, because that’s the human response to reality. The tension between belief and action is what drives the vehemence of their anti racism. Perhaps it’s like battered wife syndrome. She knows she must leave him, but facing the awful consequences of initiating a split is terrifying, so she denies the reality and defends her husband in public. The more people bad-mouth him, the more vehemently she defends him. Until, one day she bolts, or is found dead. America cannot deny reality for ever. If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

  349. Uncle Dan says:
    @International Jew

    Maybe they just enjoy a good yarn, an old, familiar story.

  350. @El Dato

    At Nuremberg Goering told an interviewer that “”Fifty years from now there will be statues of Herman Goering all over Germany.” He then chuckled, “Little ones maybe, but still statues.”

  351. @James N. Kennett

    How many times have we seen a horrendous murder by a black perpetrator who had a lengthy rap sheet showing lenient treatment for past offenses?

  352. gregor says:
    @Ron Unz

    People are resistant to accept arguments that go against ingrained beliefs. This is actually a very rational bias because people wouldn’t be able to function if they were radically altering their worldview constantly.

    Arguments that are too direct, too abrupt, and too polemic will usually make people defensive and they won’t be able to consider the argument on the merits.

    Your method I think is a pretty effective one. Your articles tend to be long and slow developing, allowing people to ease into the topic. You usually explain your own thought processes over time, giving a personal touch. You strike a very cautious tone, often stressing that your conclusions are preliminary. Unlike the polemicist, you do not overreach by claiming to have settled the argument completely. Rather, you are usually just saying there’s reason to think there’s more to the story and that it merits further consideration and you usually give several sources for further reading. Probably the key to the series is the way your triangulate among a variety of sources and explore the what it means to be “mainstream” and “respectable.”

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  353. BenKenobi says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Lol, if it was a date I’d suggest the Pumpjack.

  354. @Jane Plain

    Re MLB, add to Juneteenth the already existing Jackie Robinson Day. Every April 15 every MLB player must wear 42 and bow down to Robinson. Even Yankees.

    April 15 was chosen because he was born during the winter, so the day he broke the color barrier was chosen. Now Opening Day is earlier, so it makes an impact as the season underway.

    Fun fact about Robinson. His surviving son David moved to Africa and runs a business there. He has 10 kids.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  355. @Ron Unz

    People who are reading you are already of an open mind.

    Your average prog is a hopeless case.

    As I commented, most center-left squishes do suspect the truth.

  356. @Jim Don Bob

    our history is being erased and all that Kirk can do is tweet “libs hypocrites!”

    no duh you hapless moron

  357. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The tragedy was that none of the slugged women had men in her family, men who would went over there and given him what the fat oily Jew in Six Ways to Sunday calls a “schlumping”.

    You remember that scene, right?

  358. benjaminl says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I remember when the Wimpy Liberal Christians got upset at some of Trump’s “dehumanizing language,” and some wags pointed out that Jesus called people dogs, swine and vipers.

    Good times…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  359. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Personally, in my mind, Jesus is Larry David and Muhammad is Joe Pesci in Good Fellas. Dunno how or why this is. Be cool to see them together arguing about things. Not sure about the beards.

  360. @jimmyriddle

    OT An Oakland antifa prof is in trouble for asking a Vietnamese student called “Phuc Bui” to [A]nglicize her name.

    The professor should go phuc himself.

    However, I will give him credit for properly capitalizing Anglicize. Too many Anglophones today, including Oxford, want to write it the Frog/Kraut way. Faux-Euro snobbery.

    I try to buy the oldest dictionaries and style guides I can find.

  361. @benjaminl

    I remember when the Wimpy Liberal Christians got upset at some of Trump’s “dehumanizing language,” and some wags pointed out that Jesus called people dogs, swine and vipers.

    True, but He (pbuH) didn’t tell us to slay them. That fellow came later.

  362. @Jane Plain

    Every April 15 every MLB player must wear 42 and bow down to Robinson. Even Yankees…

    Whenever the Yankees are humiliated, I won’t complain.

    Fun fact about Robinson…

    A funner fact about Robinson: the fans may have respected, even admired, him, but they didn’t really like him. Their hearts went out to Roy Campanella instead. Doris Kearns Goodwin’s Dodgers-focused memoir has lots of juicy anecdotes from the Brooklyn fan’s point of view.

    Robinson was a rough player, a Ty Cobb slasher type. The polite, squeaky-clean Andy Pafko got into a brawl only once in his ca. 17-year major league career. Guess with whom?

  363. Robinson was a rough player, a Ty Cobb slasher type.

    And guess who thought Robinson was a great player?

  364. Hibernian says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Not every phenomenon in the world is, like pregnancy, an either you are or you aren’t type of thing. I’m a Traditionalist, not a Fundamentalist, and a believer in Scripture, Tradition, and Natural Law. Miracles do happen, sometimes, but Scripture is not a science book, or entirely accurate as a history book.

  365. Hibernian says:
    @Steve Sailer

    One of the Beatles, I think Lennon, in the late ’60s, I think, said we (the Beatles) are more popular than Jesus.

  366. Anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    There are (or were) about 35 million blacks in America, so they probably mixed up the two figures in their heads.

  367. Sean says:
    @Kyle

    Same cluster of neurons for sex as aggression.

    https://qz.com/678186/theres-a-neurological-explanation-for-the-link-between-sex-and-violence/
    Why might the two be so closely connected? Anderson believes that sexual behavior may have led to a need for aggressive tendencies. The inter-male aggression he studies is typically used to fight for access to resources such as food, territory, or females. And aggression would allow animals to compete sexually. “Neurons that control sexual behavior might have given rise in evolution and development to neurons that control aggressive behavior,” says Anderson. If this were the case, it would explain the neurons’ physical proximity. […] There’s a further, uncomfortable element to the sex and violence neurons in the animals Anderson has studied: In the long term, each behavior reinforces the other. In other words, “animals with sexual experience are more aggressive than those without sexual experience,” says Anderson.

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