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From Minnesota Public Radio:

Ex-cop Noor guilty of murder in Ruszczyk killing
Issues Jon Collins , Riham Feshir · Minneapolis · Apr 30, 2019

Updated 7:30 p.m. | Posted 5:10 p.m.

Former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor was convicted Tuesday on charges of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the killing of 911 caller Justine Ruszczyk [Damond].

The jury acquitted him of second-degree intentional murder. Noor was led out of the courtroom in handcuffs following the verdict. Sentencing is scheduled for June 7.

It’s believed to be the first time a police officer in Minnesota has been convicted of murder for shooting someone while on duty. Nationwide, such convictions are extremely rare.

Will there be an investigation of the higher-ups who recruited and coddled this obvious walking time-bomb? Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor. There’s plenty of evidence that everybody knew Noor was unfit to be a policeman, but they covered up for him because they were so desperate for a Somali on the Force.

Did anybody do an investigation into the killing of Philando Castile nearby by another Diversity Hire? As you’ll recall that shooting caused President Obama to make a speech about police shooting black men, which was immediately followed by that BLM terrorist murdering 5 Dallas cops. Or maybe you won’t recall it because it’s been mostly memoryholed?

 
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  1. The lefties will be able to stay on only one of the parallel powerpoints because it’s a black cop sentenced for killing a white woman.

  2. Have the mobs and riots started yet? Finally a cop gets convicted for killing someone but it’s a block cop killing a white woman. This one isn’t gunna go over very well in New Mogadishu, MN.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Wilkey

    Time for a movie about this: BlackPig Down!

    , @Barnard
    @Wilkey

    https://kstp.com/news/truly-a-miracle-child-who-was-thrown-off-3rd-level-at-mall-of-america-recovering/5325965/

    No rioting so far, but according to a local leader it has made the Somalis less likely to want to become cops. Talk about a win-win for the people of Minnesota.

    Replies: @Barnard

    , @South Texas Guy
    @Wilkey

    I would guess the Somalis in MN know enough to shut up about this one. If not, it will be explained to them that this would be a sure fire way for Trump to get MN's electoral votes.

    I try not to fret about every injustice in a nation of 330 million people, but this was just truly messed up.

    Also messed up is that liberals talk one way about social justice and so forth, but really want that cop from 'The Big Leboski,' the one talking to The Dude about causing trouble in his beach community.

    , @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

  3. “It’s believed to be the first time a police officer in Minnesota has been convicted of murder for shooting someone while on duty.”

    diversity – is there anything it can’t do?

    these B+ minnesotans went 150 years without cracking this milestone. new, vibrant citizens were just what the doctor ordered to bring these wondrous first time breakthroughs.

  4. What is your evidence that he’s a diversity hire?

    Oh right, none.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Troll: Jack D
    • Replies: @Moses
    @The Beggar Blogger

    Brilliant comment.

    Didn’t I see you on “Matlock”?

    , @Truth
    @The Beggar Blogger

    Dude, he's black.

    And the intellectual and accomplishment requirements needed to join a police force are SO high.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @BigDickNick
    @The Beggar Blogger

    my understanding is there were like 100 insane red flags/ multiple people advising higher ups to not let him be a cop.

  5. Thomm says:

    but they covered up for him because they were so desperate for a Somali on the Force.

    If they were so desperate for a Somali on the force, why didn’t they hire Ilhan Omar into some indoor desk job answering phones?

    That would have kept Noor from being a cop AND Omar from being a Congressperson.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  6. Having recently moved to the Land of Ice Fishing I’ve been watching this story out of the corner of my eye. I was honestly expecting the diversity hire lawman would be acquitted. When a local paper ran a story about the jury and described one of the women on the jury as an ob-gyn who identified herself as a person of color and then said she was often mistaken for a nurse or technician because of “implicit bias” I figured the marshal from Mogadishu would skate.

    But lo and behold he didn’t. Of course the verdict will be appealed and who knows how that will end. A quick perusal of the comments on the newspaper’s coverage ran from “Nobody wins” to “At last justice.” to “She should not have approached the cop car and should have stayed in the house.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Enemy of Earth

    Enemy, I call BS on the POC OB GYN. While nurses and techs often wear way too casual garb for a medical settling, doctors almost always wear their white jacket in hospitals.

    Replies: @Alden, @jim jones

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Enemy of Earth

    These events signal a return to tribal justice. But it will not happen overnight. And it won't happen at all, until it does. And then there will be no reasoning with the backlash. And Democrats (mostly), and retard Republicans, will wonder how it all happened so fast.

  7. Safe to assume that document shredding will be a more common practice by admins of Govt & bureaucracy Diversity implementation. Destroy the evidence & get servile media to change the news cycle. Certainly it has become normative since the Clinton Grifters got into the White House in ’93

  8. Over/Under on length of sentence? I put it at 5 years and I’m taking the under.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    length of sentence
     
    Time served with the rest suspended. He's a proper celebrity now.
    , @MBlanc46
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Regardless of the sentence, I’d be surprised if he serves more than three.

  9. I don’t get the 2 charges together to begin with, and what exactly entails 3rd-degree vs 2nd-degree on the 2. Paging Jack D. or any criminal lawyer type on here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "degrees" vary by state and I'm not awake enough to look up the MN statute, but the higher (1st being the highest) degrees are usually "intentional" or "premeditated" and the lower are "accidental" or "heat of passion". The former types of killing are deemed worthy of greater punishment by the law.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Third-degree murder in Minnesota is the old "depraved indifference"/"malignant heart" variety:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

    609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

    (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

    (b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

    609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

    A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

    (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

    (2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

    (3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

    (4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

    (5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

    If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

  10. @Wilkey
    Have the mobs and riots started yet? Finally a cop gets convicted for killing someone but it's a block cop killing a white woman. This one isn't gunna go over very well in New Mogadishu, MN.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Barnard, @South Texas Guy, @Lugash

    Time for a movie about this: BlackPig Down!

  11. J.Ross says: • Website

    I was all excited to see Rampart (same director and star as the Messenger) because I thought it would actually be about the Rampart scandal, and instead it was this Freudian anti-father straw man murder-ritual screed. But the LAPD Rampart scandal was another argument against police diversity hires, which is always bravely misremembered as an example of systemic white male racism.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    "Training Day" is a pretty decent fictionalization of the LAPD Ramparts Scandal. "Crash" has some elements drawn from it too.

    Replies: @miss marple, @Art Deco, @J.Ross

  12. I am Police. I shoot bad people. Bang! Bang!

  13. So was Trystan Terrell an diversity admission? Haven’t been hearing many details which made me wonder. Then his pic made me wonder more.
    https://www.google.com/search?

    q=Trystan+Terrell&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr483_tvnhAhUQVN8KHbEUD1YQ_AUIECgD&biw=1440&bih=821#imgrc=-zI39MZW15rcCM:

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @JimDandy

    That pic made me wonder if he's human.

  14. Maybe not. Let the white male bashing begin.

    “According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, Terrell is a registered member of the Libertarian Party. The registration gives his registered county Mecklenburg, where UNCC is located. He is described as being white and “not Hispanic or not Latino.”

  15. @Wilkey
    Have the mobs and riots started yet? Finally a cop gets convicted for killing someone but it's a block cop killing a white woman. This one isn't gunna go over very well in New Mogadishu, MN.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Barnard, @South Texas Guy, @Lugash

    https://kstp.com/news/truly-a-miracle-child-who-was-thrown-off-3rd-level-at-mall-of-america-recovering/5325965/

    No rioting so far, but according to a local leader it has made the Somalis less likely to want to become cops. Talk about a win-win for the people of Minnesota.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Barnard

    Wrong link in first post.

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/04/30/mohamed-noor-verdict-elicits-opposite-emotions-from-somali-minnesotans-australians/

  16. I AM SHOCKED.

    This is first degree murder, not 3rd degree. 3rd degree is just a slap on the wrist.

    Noor belongs on death row. Take a life, give a life. That is how they will learn.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Rational

    My understanding of Somalia is, they take a life, you wipe out the area the killer is from. That's how THEY learn.

  17. @Wilkey
    Have the mobs and riots started yet? Finally a cop gets convicted for killing someone but it's a block cop killing a white woman. This one isn't gunna go over very well in New Mogadishu, MN.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Barnard, @South Texas Guy, @Lugash

    I would guess the Somalis in MN know enough to shut up about this one. If not, it will be explained to them that this would be a sure fire way for Trump to get MN’s electoral votes.

    I try not to fret about every injustice in a nation of 330 million people, but this was just truly messed up.

    Also messed up is that liberals talk one way about social justice and so forth, but really want that cop from ‘The Big Leboski,’ the one talking to The Dude about causing trouble in his beach community.

  18. Or maybe you won’t recall it because it’s been mostly memoryholed?

    There are two vibrant reasons for the MSM to memory-hole the Castile case: The blame is on Jumpin’ Jeronimo, or Cannabis Castile, or both.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Officer Yanez must have been popped a few meths or else already had his brains substantially shrinked previously for other reasons. Nobody normal reacts like that. Just sayin'.

  19. From Minnesota Public Radio:

    Well, their music station is still worth a listen. I keep my car radio tuned into it to prevent road rage.I

    https://www.classicalmpr.org/topic/daily-download

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's some nice programming, if you're not picky about performers. Speaking of Mendelssohn's piano music, I really like this young pianist. He was 11 when this video was made.

    https://youtu.be/iYR3R5R5N4I

    , @Barnard
    @Reg Cæsar

    I listen to MPR most of the time in the car. The music they select is good, but their month long pledge drive might be worse than listening to commercials.

  20. The linked article barely mentioned the life of the small, non-threatening, white, middle-aged woman that was wiped out while she attempted to do a good deed that certainly did not go unpunished. But it did go into detail about the heartwarming welcoming of the Somali policeman who killed her. The man was greeted by cheering crowds on his first day at work and so on. They were all so grateful that he agreed to work there.

    I couldn’t help thinking about all of the American citizens who have worked their cans off, serving customers and meeting quotas of all kinds, tirelessly, working long hours while remaining kind to customers at all times. That won’t get you any cheering crowds as a white citizen. In fact, you’ll be lucky to be retained in a job that pays enough to cover rent. And get prepared for the exact opposite of the reverence experienced by this violent officer. Get prepared for a bunch of rudeness and conniving behavior, starting in the interview.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Endgame Napoleon

    It's as you say; the prodigal son parable writ large; saving a lost soul is so much more rewarding than maintaining one that has always been there.

    I caught an NPR show with Chris Hedges gushing over an education program in prisons: the prisoners were just so smart, so hard working, learning so much, so innocent! I'm sure he wants them to marry his daughter.

    As a counter to this, papers will regularly run a human interest story about a local quietly doing good. If my local effort is any example, this doesn't help anymore, as most stories are now about an illegal alien with five kids suffering at the hands of ICE; or a cat lady who personally travels to Honduras to pass out info on how to come get the gibs in the US.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  21. Good news. Any updates on Justine’s family’s civil case (I’m assuming they’ve sued the city)?

  22. @Wilkey
    Have the mobs and riots started yet? Finally a cop gets convicted for killing someone but it's a block cop killing a white woman. This one isn't gunna go over very well in New Mogadishu, MN.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Barnard, @South Texas Guy, @Lugash

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We’re almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL’s death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan’s role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Lugash


    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.
     
    When it comes to Venezuela, a State Department spokesman recently said that "All options are on the table". However there is always one option that is never on the table - minding our own damned business.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @bomag
    @Lugash


    no public inquiries into Pakistan’s role...
     
    I recall that during the "08 campaign, Obama suggested some tougher action regarding Pakistan.

    Once in power, it was probably explained to him that the area is such a basket case that all roads lead to Hell.

    Dysfunction has its uses.
    , @Byrresheim
    @Lugash

    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL's life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    @Lugash


    there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan’s role in
     
    being the pipeline for US "aid" to OBL and his great Mujahideen mates like Gulbuddin Hekmaytar (who first came to US attention because of his love of that ol' Islamic standby, throwing acid in the faces of unveiled women) during the Soviet-Afghan war? At least, supplying them with the stuff they didn't siphon off for their own purposes. Pakistan was not, is not, and never will be our friend, but since when has that ever mattered to the slope-headed dullards in the Swamp who are busy playing their half-assed game of real life Risk?
    , @Hibernian
    @Lugash

    We have a halfway good excuse for Venezuela, compare to other areas where we've become heavily involved. It's a lot closer to home.

  23. Noor said when he realized that Ruszczyk was dead, “It felt like my whole world came crashing down.

    YOUR world came crashing down?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Liza

    He's Somali, what does a Somali's whole world crashing sound like? Is it like one hand clapping?

    Replies: @jim jones

  24. TGGP says: • Website

    I’ve become more favorable toward a higher quantity of policing in recent years, but juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people. I’m glad there were repercussions in this case, although it’s unfortunate that didn’t happen in the Castile one (the presence of a gun, even a legal one, seemed enough for the jury). As an advocate of putting more police on the street, I also have to acknowledge that there are limits to what quality of officer you can expect from a large department (unless it has enough money to attract qualified candidates from a wide area, like the NYPD). Some of them will screw up, and in such cases there need to be consequences to deter more of the same.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    , @james wilson
    @TGGP

    Due to the scarcity of quality AA applicants everywhere the police can't recruit enoughhigh quality blacks because they get better ofers for less demanding work elsewhere. But Noor was exceptionally unqualified.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @TGGP

    Juries are often far too deferential to cops. These guys got away with murder:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Anon

  25. J.Ross says: • Website

    There’s a wierdly fair segment in an earlier episode of Louis CK’s show in which he allows his rightist comedian friend to point out that the racially segregated, wife-beating, church-attending, homophobic people who actually defeated the real Nazis would be called Nazis today by ungrateful and ignorant leftists. The Bezos Blog has a fatuous and arrogant piece by a history professor ( … sigh … ) conceding this, and explaining that the Greatest Generation did not know what they were doing:

    Churchill’s friend President Franklin D. Roosevelt also either failed to comprehend the basic nature of German fascism or chose not to rally Americans to oppose Nazism as Nazism. In his prewar correspondence, he made no secret of his dislike of Hitler and his belligerent regime, but like Churchill, he never framed his opposition to Germany as a rejection of race hierarchy or race nationalism.

    So … Churchill and FDR thought that Nazism was cool but that Austrian guy was taking it way too far. Okay.
    https://archive.fo/BsqGs
    I can’t speak to FDR’s thoughts but I seem to remember plenty of disapproval of German bigotry in all forms of American propaganda, coexisting incongruously next to Yellow Peril imagery.

  26. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Anonymous

    Isn’t Holstine a cow?

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Wasn't she in one of the Addams Family movies?

    , @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Mutant of the day. I heard this news but did not see the photo until now.

    Replies: @jim jones

    , @Alden
    @Anonymous

    It teaches at a Juvenile Hall. That's actually a plum teaching job because when they act as blacks do, the teacher just calls the guard and the thug is banned from class. Teachers in ghetto schools pray for a chance to teach in a juvenile hall or youthful offenders prison. And not much unpaid overtime with lesson plans, emails to parents etc either.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anon, good for her, not often we see a Mohawk recognized for success.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  27. bomag says:
    @TGGP
    I've become more favorable toward a higher quantity of policing in recent years, but juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people. I'm glad there were repercussions in this case, although it's unfortunate that didn't happen in the Castile one (the presence of a gun, even a legal one, seemed enough for the jury). As an advocate of putting more police on the street, I also have to acknowledge that there are limits to what quality of officer you can expect from a large department (unless it has enough money to attract qualified candidates from a wide area, like the NYPD). Some of them will screw up, and in such cases there need to be consequences to deter more of the same.

    Replies: @bomag, @james wilson, @Mr. Anon

    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.

    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don’t self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @bomag

    It's really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.

    An exception is going to be the Caribbean accountant that the lady cop shot in Texas. She is going down big time for that one.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @David In TN
    @bomag

    BLM would no more "pick up this case" than they would call for the NOI/Zebra Murders to be reopened.

    , @Art Deco
    @bomag

    BLM has a point

    No, it doesn't. the Bureau of Justice Statistics has data series going back four decades. Perhaps 2% of the blacks who die by homicide each year are killed by police officers and the number killed in the course of non-justiciable homicides by private citizens is fewer. Take a look at the cases hucksters like Ben Crump and Ryan Julison promote. Most have elements which severely complicate the narrative they're promoting and have to be obscured in various ways.

    Some people drown in their bathtubs, but it's not a systematic problem in this country. Same deal with people being unjustly shot to death by cops.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @William Badwhite
    @bomag

    They could have used Daniel Shaver, the guy murdered by the sniveling coward Philip Brailsford, but that wouldn't be blackety blackety black black so never mind.


    BLM has a point
     
    No they don't. What they are/were complaining about was not happening.
    , @TGGP
    @bomag

    Right, the framing of Black Lives Matter takes a general problem with public policy and just focuses on a subset (albeit, a disproportionately represented one) of its victims. It's practically calculated for producing partisan polarization, which isn't necessarily what you want in order to achieve any reforms but is a good way to go viral in the social media era.

  28. “this obvious walking time-bomb”

    Steve, enough with down-punching Islamaphobic tropes.

    That’s not who we are in Minnesota!

  29. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    When it comes to Venezuela, a State Department spokesman recently said that “All options are on the table”. However there is always one option that is never on the table – minding our own damned business.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    Apparently the Russians feel the same way. Today's news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute. It's hard to mind your own business when your "friends" won't mind theirs.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon

  30. @TGGP
    I've become more favorable toward a higher quantity of policing in recent years, but juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people. I'm glad there were repercussions in this case, although it's unfortunate that didn't happen in the Castile one (the presence of a gun, even a legal one, seemed enough for the jury). As an advocate of putting more police on the street, I also have to acknowledge that there are limits to what quality of officer you can expect from a large department (unless it has enough money to attract qualified candidates from a wide area, like the NYPD). Some of them will screw up, and in such cases there need to be consequences to deter more of the same.

    Replies: @bomag, @james wilson, @Mr. Anon

    Due to the scarcity of quality AA applicants everywhere the police can’t recruit enoughhigh quality blacks because they get better ofers for less demanding work elsewhere. But Noor was exceptionally unqualified.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @james wilson

    Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor.

    Replies: @David In TN

  31. @TGGP
    I've become more favorable toward a higher quantity of policing in recent years, but juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people. I'm glad there were repercussions in this case, although it's unfortunate that didn't happen in the Castile one (the presence of a gun, even a legal one, seemed enough for the jury). As an advocate of putting more police on the street, I also have to acknowledge that there are limits to what quality of officer you can expect from a large department (unless it has enough money to attract qualified candidates from a wide area, like the NYPD). Some of them will screw up, and in such cases there need to be consequences to deter more of the same.

    Replies: @bomag, @james wilson, @Mr. Anon

    Juries are often far too deferential to cops. These guys got away with murder:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Mr. Anon

    "Split second?" That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    , @Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    This went to trial shortly after the Las Vegas massacre.

  32. The Nigerians have made a good showing this year sprinting ahead as the most ridiculous Africans to have here, but I think the Somalians are going to out pace them in the long run.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @KunioKun

    Nigerians are high-IQ outliers; were we to allow only one African nationality, we'd probably pick them. Nigerians I have met who avoided "hip hop culture" were model citizens.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @anon

    , @AnotherDad
    @KunioKun


    The Nigerians have made a good showing this year sprinting ahead as the most ridiculous Africans to have here, but I think the Somalians are going to out pace them in the long run.
     
    Hard to say.

    Obviously, we've done such a great job over the last 150 years proving that we can integrate American blacks to our Anglo-American (i.e. white) cultural norms, that it is absolutely necessary to invite more Africans to come and integrate as well.
  33. @james wilson
    @TGGP

    Due to the scarcity of quality AA applicants everywhere the police can't recruit enoughhigh quality blacks because they get better ofers for less demanding work elsewhere. But Noor was exceptionally unqualified.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Steve Sailer

    Oswald would probably be in a dead heat with Noor. See the photograph of Oswald in Gerald Posner's Case Closed. It was taken in the summer of 1963 just after a court hearing in New Orleans for disturbing the peace in an altercation with anti-Castro Cubans. Oswald's facial expression explained him to a T.

  34. anon[743] • Disclaimer says:

    Slightly off topic, but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a major riot in an American city. We’re overdue. I wonder what city will be next and what will touch it off?
    Hillary and BLM generated the riots in 2015 and 2016 in an incompetent ploy to garner votes. With elections coming up will Democrats play the riot card again? How else can they motivate the black base?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @anon


    With elections coming up will Democrats play the riot card again? How else can they motivate the black base?
     
    Kamala will (supposedly) pose nude in Playboy, and imply that those who vote for her can spend a night with her airbrushed self in the Lincoln Bedroom. Mayor Pete will be her VP, and pretend to offer the same for the gay vote.

    It will not need to be true, as Obama already demonstrated, to win.
  35. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

    no public inquiries into Pakistan’s role…

    I recall that during the “08 campaign, Obama suggested some tougher action regarding Pakistan.

    Once in power, it was probably explained to him that the area is such a basket case that all roads lead to Hell.

    Dysfunction has its uses.

  36. @Reg Cæsar

    From Minnesota Public Radio:
     
    Well, their music station is still worth a listen. I keep my car radio tuned into it to prevent road rage.I


    https://www.classicalmpr.org/topic/daily-download

    Replies: @Kylie, @Barnard

    That’s some nice programming, if you’re not picky about performers. Speaking of Mendelssohn’s piano music, I really like this young pianist. He was 11 when this video was made.

  37. Is “third degree murder” the same as “voluntary manslaughter”? And is that like killing someone with your car when you could have avoided hitting him?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew

    If you kill someone by giving him third-degree burns, is that first-degree murder? Likewise, if he dies from the first-degree burns you give him, is that third-degree?

  38. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:
    Now might be a good time for iSteve readers to review:
    “The Flight 93 Election”
    https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/
    by Publius Decius Mus aka Michael Anton aka ??? (baseless conspiracy theory…? evading the megaphone????)
    Also check “This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected”:

    TRUTH is stranger than fiction.
    Take NOTICE.
    LET’S ROLL!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anonymous

    Camacho's going to get all of that good stuff started, oh, any term now...

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @Anonymous

    In the speech Trump specifically mentions the Wikileaks of the Clinton plot. So, why is Julian Assange still being extradicted to the US for prosecution? I don't get it. I think a full pardon and political asylum status for Mr. Assange is long overdue.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  39. Not so fast. I think this was an extreme instance of yoga phobia. In my experience, Noor’s not the only one harboring such hatred. How many of you would have a hairpin trigger if you were to come upon a yoga instructor in an alley in the middle of the night?

  40. @KunioKun
    The Nigerians have made a good showing this year sprinting ahead as the most ridiculous Africans to have here, but I think the Somalians are going to out pace them in the long run.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    Nigerians are high-IQ outliers; were we to allow only one African nationality, we’d probably pick them. Nigerians I have met who avoided “hip hop culture” were model citizens.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Peter Frost
    @J.Ross

    Igbo are the high-IQ outliers. They're problematic for other reasons.

    , @anon
    @J.Ross

    don't need, don't want

  41. @International Jew
    Is "third degree murder" the same as "voluntary manslaughter"? And is that like killing someone with your car when you could have avoided hitting him?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If you kill someone by giving him third-degree burns, is that first-degree murder? Likewise, if he dies from the first-degree burns you give him, is that third-degree?

  42. @KunioKun
    The Nigerians have made a good showing this year sprinting ahead as the most ridiculous Africans to have here, but I think the Somalians are going to out pace them in the long run.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    The Nigerians have made a good showing this year sprinting ahead as the most ridiculous Africans to have here, but I think the Somalians are going to out pace them in the long run.

    Hard to say.

    Obviously, we’ve done such a great job over the last 150 years proving that we can integrate American blacks to our Anglo-American (i.e. white) cultural norms, that it is absolutely necessary to invite more Africans to come and integrate as well.

  43. speaking of diversity, that decathlon google search wasn’t an outlier or a mistake. look at this steve. and try yourself:

    View post on imgur.com

    my search results when i was trying to remember patton oswalt and his star wars marvel rant.

    very similar to your results when searching for american inventors and such.

  44. @Liza

    Noor said when he realized that Ruszczyk was dead, "It felt like my whole world came crashing down.
     
    YOUR world came crashing down?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He’s Somali, what does a Somali’s whole world crashing sound like? Is it like one hand clapping?

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @J.Ross

    When they are told by the Gubmint that they do not qualify for Welfare

  45. @J.Ross
    @Liza

    He's Somali, what does a Somali's whole world crashing sound like? Is it like one hand clapping?

    Replies: @jim jones

    When they are told by the Gubmint that they do not qualify for Welfare

  46. @J.Ross
    I was all excited to see Rampart (same director and star as the Messenger) because I thought it would actually be about the Rampart scandal, and instead it was this Freudian anti-father straw man murder-ritual screed. But the LAPD Rampart scandal was another argument against police diversity hires, which is always bravely misremembered as an example of systemic white male racism.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Training Day” is a pretty decent fictionalization of the LAPD Ramparts Scandal. “Crash” has some elements drawn from it too.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    @Steve Sailer

    Just how long has it been since you've seen a movie?

    , @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOc3Y3HPEUY

    Quite possibly the best scene in Crash (which had quite a number of good scenes).

    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    I recognize several plotlines and details in the Shield as very close, apart from nearly every Angelino malo (especially in the squad in question) being a huero (in fact, in the squad, they're nearly all Polacks, which is surely a wink), and that insufferable story arc where a black female city employee, necessarily the beneficiary of a million flubs, suddenly accepts Immanuel Kant into her heart as her personal savior and demands perfect justice.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    "Training Day" is a pretty decent fictionalization of the LAPD Ramparts Scandal. "Crash" has some elements drawn from it too.

    Replies: @miss marple, @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    Just how long has it been since you’ve seen a movie?

  48. @Mr. Anon
    @TGGP

    Juries are often far too deferential to cops. These guys got away with murder:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Anon

    “Split second?” That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @TomSchmidt

    Sometimes, justice requires ignoring the law. A large number of people shot by cops would, in a rational society, have been destroyed since they are incapable of being productive citizens. This is bad for the small percentage that aren't, but that's the way the world works.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @TomSchmidt


    “Split second?” That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

     

    It was an egregious betrayal of justice. Not only was the shooter not convicted, but the sergeant - the one barking out orders in this murderous game of simon-says - was never convicted. He resigned from the gang force and permanently decamped to the Phillipines.
    , @William Badwhite
    @TomSchmidt

    A tremendous failure of justice. This deference to cops deciding that they can kill anyone they want because "he might have been reaching for a gun" has no place in what used to be a free society.

    Most of what happens to blacks when they're shot is because they refuse to comply. Shaver was complying - or trying to comply while being issued a bunch of contradictory orders. 6 cops can't handcuff a guy that's lying face down? Everyone that served on that jury is a disgrace. Brailsford should be on death row.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  49. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL’s life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Byrresheim


    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL’s life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.
     
    Good point.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  50. @Rational
    I AM SHOCKED.

    This is first degree murder, not 3rd degree. 3rd degree is just a slap on the wrist.

    Noor belongs on death row. Take a life, give a life. That is how they will learn.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    My understanding of Somalia is, they take a life, you wipe out the area the killer is from. That’s how THEY learn.

  51. @TomSchmidt
    @Mr. Anon

    "Split second?" That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    Sometimes, justice requires ignoring the law. A large number of people shot by cops would, in a rational society, have been destroyed since they are incapable of being productive citizens. This is bad for the small percentage that aren’t, but that’s the way the world works.

  52. @J.Ross
    @KunioKun

    Nigerians are high-IQ outliers; were we to allow only one African nationality, we'd probably pick them. Nigerians I have met who avoided "hip hop culture" were model citizens.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @anon

    Igbo are the high-IQ outliers. They’re problematic for other reasons.

  53. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

    there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan’s role in

    being the pipeline for US “aid” to OBL and his great Mujahideen mates like Gulbuddin Hekmaytar (who first came to US attention because of his love of that ol’ Islamic standby, throwing acid in the faces of unveiled women) during the Soviet-Afghan war? At least, supplying them with the stuff they didn’t siphon off for their own purposes. Pakistan was not, is not, and never will be our friend, but since when has that ever mattered to the slope-headed dullards in the Swamp who are busy playing their half-assed game of real life Risk?

  54. @Anonymous
    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    https://img.apmcdn.org/b0d29b7d6f9d405727f923ceb60d1826e3f976d8/uncropped/85c1da-20180510-kelly-holstine.jpg

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jack D, @Clyde, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Isn’t Holstine a cow?

  55. He wuz a gud boi, he jus fightin’ the Becky prollum n’ sheeit.

  56. Just another example of The Man sticking it to another person of colour.

  57. @Endgame Napoleon
    The linked article barely mentioned the life of the small, non-threatening, white, middle-aged woman that was wiped out while she attempted to do a good deed that certainly did not go unpunished. But it did go into detail about the heartwarming welcoming of the Somali policeman who killed her. The man was greeted by cheering crowds on his first day at work and so on. They were all so grateful that he agreed to work there.

    I couldn’t help thinking about all of the American citizens who have worked their cans off, serving customers and meeting quotas of all kinds, tirelessly, working long hours while remaining kind to customers at all times. That won’t get you any cheering crowds as a white citizen. In fact, you’ll be lucky to be retained in a job that pays enough to cover rent. And get prepared for the exact opposite of the reverence experienced by this violent officer. Get prepared for a bunch of rudeness and conniving behavior, starting in the interview.

    Replies: @bomag

    It’s as you say; the prodigal son parable writ large; saving a lost soul is so much more rewarding than maintaining one that has always been there.

    I caught an NPR show with Chris Hedges gushing over an education program in prisons: the prisoners were just so smart, so hard working, learning so much, so innocent! I’m sure he wants them to marry his daughter.

    As a counter to this, papers will regularly run a human interest story about a local quietly doing good. If my local effort is any example, this doesn’t help anymore, as most stories are now about an illegal alien with five kids suffering at the hands of ICE; or a cat lady who personally travels to Honduras to pass out info on how to come get the gibs in the US.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @bomag

    It's so, so rewarding to think you're 'saving' the Sacred Other.

    It's so, so boring, and difficult, to love your actual neighbor.

  58. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Over/Under on length of sentence? I put it at 5 years and I'm taking the under.

    Replies: @bomag, @MBlanc46

    length of sentence

    Time served with the rest suspended. He’s a proper celebrity now.

  59. Place your bets, gents! Regarding the eventual sentencing, I call dibs on “less than two years, total”.

    I also wager that no one above Noor will be even moderately discomfited.

    On a related front, my son is now engaged in the application process to become a LEO, and this week’s hoop is psychological testing. The first part is online testing, for which he took four each three hundred question practice quizzes. A wildly disproportionate percentage involved …reptiles???? WTF am I missing here? Being basically a sandbar situated amongst numerous wetlands, we here punch well above our weight on gators and poisonous snakes, so I can see a practical purpose to ascertain whether one is very afraid of snakes, but unless there’s some sort of Jungian bullshit at play, I’m at a loss as to what this is all about. Can anyone in the trade enlighten me?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @captflee

    my son is now engaged in the application process to become a LEO, and this week’s hoop is psychological testing. The first part is online testing, for which he took four each three hundred question practice quizzes. A wildly disproportionate percentage involved …reptiles????

    Maybe bad cops tend to have pulled tails off lizards a lot as boys?

    Replies: @captflee

  60. @JimDandy
    So was Trystan Terrell an diversity admission? Haven't been hearing many details which made me wonder. Then his pic made me wonder more.
    https://www.google.com/search?

    q=Trystan+Terrell&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr483_tvnhAhUQVN8KHbEUD1YQ_AUIECgD&biw=1440&bih=821#imgrc=-zI39MZW15rcCM:

    Replies: @Federalist

    That pic made me wonder if he’s human.

  61. @The Beggar Blogger
    What is your evidence that he's a diversity hire?

    Oh right, none.

    Replies: @Moses, @Truth, @BigDickNick

    Brilliant comment.

    Didn’t I see you on “Matlock”?

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't get the 2 charges together to begin with, and what exactly entails 3rd-degree vs 2nd-degree on the 2. Paging Jack D. or any criminal lawyer type on here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @ben tillman

    The “degrees” vary by state and I’m not awake enough to look up the MN statute, but the higher (1st being the highest) degrees are usually “intentional” or “premeditated” and the lower are “accidental” or “heat of passion”. The former types of killing are deemed worthy of greater punishment by the law.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Jack D

    In some places (like New York) "first-degree murder" is reserved for capital murder. Since New York no longer enforces the death penalty, "second-degree murder" is the top charge.

    Replies: @Jack D

  63. @Anonymous
    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    https://img.apmcdn.org/b0d29b7d6f9d405727f923ceb60d1826e3f976d8/uncropped/85c1da-20180510-kelly-holstine.jpg

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jack D, @Clyde, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Wasn’t she in one of the Addams Family movies?

  64. @Reg Cæsar

    From Minnesota Public Radio:
     
    Well, their music station is still worth a listen. I keep my car radio tuned into it to prevent road rage.I


    https://www.classicalmpr.org/topic/daily-download

    Replies: @Kylie, @Barnard

    I listen to MPR most of the time in the car. The music they select is good, but their month long pledge drive might be worse than listening to commercials.

  65. @TomSchmidt
    @Mr. Anon

    "Split second?" That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    “Split second?” That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    It was an egregious betrayal of justice. Not only was the shooter not convicted, but the sergeant – the one barking out orders in this murderous game of simon-says – was never convicted. He resigned from the gang force and permanently decamped to the Phillipines.

  66. @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    It’s really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.

    An exception is going to be the Caribbean accountant that the lady cop shot in Texas. She is going down big time for that one.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    It’s really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.
     
    This is true. I once suggested to my African-American coworker a few years ago, that if you wanted to make a political argument that police in the US are systematically operating a system of death squads targeting people for being black, it would be much better to forget about poster children like Michael Brown and find examples of respectable, well-behaved people gunned down while going about their business. But there aren't any!

    However there are far too many cases where cops are shooting drunk, mentally retarded people from across the street for waving a knife, and this reflects on the training that most US police forces seem to give that emphasizes shooting to kill over using verbal deescalation techniques and only using a gun as a last resort.

    Give a man a gun and everyone starts to look like a criminal needing to be shot.

    The other day my six-year-old daughter held me up in the kitchen pointing two finger pistols at me, and shouted "hands-up!" I raised both hands, but she shot me anyway. With my dying breath I asked "Why did you do that?"

    She replied: "You didn't put your hands up fast enough."

    I see a career in law enforcement in her future.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Achmed E. Newman

  67. @Barnard
    @Wilkey

    https://kstp.com/news/truly-a-miracle-child-who-was-thrown-off-3rd-level-at-mall-of-america-recovering/5325965/

    No rioting so far, but according to a local leader it has made the Somalis less likely to want to become cops. Talk about a win-win for the people of Minnesota.

    Replies: @Barnard

  68. @Mr. Anon
    @Lugash


    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.
     
    When it comes to Venezuela, a State Department spokesman recently said that "All options are on the table". However there is always one option that is never on the table - minding our own damned business.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Apparently the Russians feel the same way. Today’s news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute. It’s hard to mind your own business when your “friends” won’t mind theirs.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D


    Today’s news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute.
     
    Not sure that's believable ... especially if it emanates from "Derp State" Pompeo.

    The Saker has this take:

    But then “Russia” called him and told him to stay put. The conversation must gone something like this:

    Putin: Mr Maduro – you don’t need to worry about a thing. Just do what we tell you and stay put.
    Maduro: but my people hate me! They all turned against me! The military is behind the coup!
    Putin: no, no, it’s all under control, just stay put.
    Maduro: but the mob will lynch me if I stay!!!!
    Putin: no worries, nobody will touch you.


    Does that dialog look credible to you? I sure hope not! I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence ought to realize that Maduro’s decision to stay in place could only have been based on one of two possible considerations:

    The coup has failed and Maduro is safe or
    The coup is successful and Maduro will stay and fight till his last breath (like Allende did)

     

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    It’s hard to mind your own business when your “friends” won’t mind theirs.
     
    America has more "friends" than Eddie Coyle. I really don't care what Russia's relation to Venezuela is. If they want to prop up a failing, bankrupt socialist regime, I say "knock yourself out!" It didn't do 'em a World of good in the case of Cuba. And - if we aren't intervening militarily in Cuba, why the Hell should we in Venezuela? I really don't trust our "government" when they tell us these things are necessary.

    Mike Pompeo is also just a "friend", far as I'm concerned.
  69. The responsible party was Mayor Betsy Hodges, who was blown out of office a year and a half ago. See the remarks of the quondam chief of police, Janee Harteau. Per Harteau, Hodges had been badgering her about appointments and promotions several layers deep in the organization. At the same time, Hodges’ political fundraising imploded (a neat trick for an incumbent mayor), leaving her unable to pay her campaign staff. Six senior officers of her campaign quit en bloc and at least one told the media something which dovetails with what Harteau had to say: one of the reasons they were leaving was that they couldn’t do their jobs without clearing every decision with a minion of the mayor at her city hall office. The mayor actually posed for publicity shots with Noor in the frame. (And not as part of a larger group). The recruitment of Noor has Hodges’ fingerprints all over it.

    It’s doubtful that this disaster will induce the Twin Cities political class to reconsider, of course.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Art Deco

    One juror's comments on the Noor and his Somali background:


    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community. I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated. He seemed very genuine to me. I don’t think he was a bad guy. I think he was a good guy. By all accounts during the trial, it seemed like he had good training, was a good cop. And unfortunately, he just made the worst mistake he could in about two or three seconds time. I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for his family. But we determined he committed a crime. And in the end, no one is above the law.
     
    First vote on Manslaughter was 8-guilty, 2-not guilty, 2-unsure. This particular juror was leaning towards acquittal until the expert testimony and then the awful defense portion of the trial including Noor's testimony. Statewide I think it is a different story, but these particular people are on board with having Somali cops.


    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/juror-reflects-on-noor-verdict/89-7b28d527-5a0e-4024-b2b4-68921e7c579c

    Replies: @anon, @Hibernian

    , @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    Every. Time.

    The MQ looms larger and larger.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    "Training Day" is a pretty decent fictionalization of the LAPD Ramparts Scandal. "Crash" has some elements drawn from it too.

    Replies: @miss marple, @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    Quite possibly the best scene in Crash (which had quite a number of good scenes).

  71. @Anonymous
    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    https://img.apmcdn.org/b0d29b7d6f9d405727f923ceb60d1826e3f976d8/uncropped/85c1da-20180510-kelly-holstine.jpg

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jack D, @Clyde, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Mutant of the day. I heard this news but did not see the photo until now.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @Clyde

    She looks like the weird androgyne in the TV series Billions

    Replies: @Clyde

  72. @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    BLM would no more “pick up this case” than they would call for the NOI/Zebra Murders to be reopened.

  73. @J.Ross
    @KunioKun

    Nigerians are high-IQ outliers; were we to allow only one African nationality, we'd probably pick them. Nigerians I have met who avoided "hip hop culture" were model citizens.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @anon

    don’t need, don’t want

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @james wilson

    Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Oswald would probably be in a dead heat with Noor. See the photograph of Oswald in Gerald Posner’s Case Closed. It was taken in the summer of 1963 just after a court hearing in New Orleans for disturbing the peace in an altercation with anti-Castro Cubans. Oswald’s facial expression explained him to a T.

  75. @Art Deco
    The responsible party was Mayor Betsy Hodges, who was blown out of office a year and a half ago. See the remarks of the quondam chief of police, Janee Harteau. Per Harteau, Hodges had been badgering her about appointments and promotions several layers deep in the organization. At the same time, Hodges' political fundraising imploded (a neat trick for an incumbent mayor), leaving her unable to pay her campaign staff. Six senior officers of her campaign quit en bloc and at least one told the media something which dovetails with what Harteau had to say: one of the reasons they were leaving was that they couldn't do their jobs without clearing every decision with a minion of the mayor at her city hall office. The mayor actually posed for publicity shots with Noor in the frame. (And not as part of a larger group). The recruitment of Noor has Hodges' fingerprints all over it.

    It's doubtful that this disaster will induce the Twin Cities political class to reconsider, of course.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius

    One juror’s comments on the Noor and his Somali background:

    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community. I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated. He seemed very genuine to me. I don’t think he was a bad guy. I think he was a good guy. By all accounts during the trial, it seemed like he had good training, was a good cop. And unfortunately, he just made the worst mistake he could in about two or three seconds time. I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for his family. But we determined he committed a crime. And in the end, no one is above the law.

    First vote on Manslaughter was 8-guilty, 2-not guilty, 2-unsure. This particular juror was leaning towards acquittal until the expert testimony and then the awful defense portion of the trial including Noor’s testimony. Statewide I think it is a different story, but these particular people are on board with having Somali cops.

    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/juror-reflects-on-noor-verdict/89-7b28d527-5a0e-4024-b2b4-68921e7c579c

    • Replies: @anon
    @Barnard


    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community.
     
    why? what have they accomplished?

    Juror: I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated.
     
    so do you respect them or do you feel sorry for them?
    , @Hibernian
    @Barnard

    Maybe Nordic affinity for rules outweighed Nordic soft hearted idealism. A good thing.

    Replies: @Barnard

  76. Police brutality is good for the economy.

    Police kill more than 1000 people each year, most of them are white.
    Police send about 55,000 people to the hospital each year.
    Police kill more than 500,000 dogs each year.

    This is great for the economy. All those ambulance rides, ER visits, trips to the morgue, funerals, bandages and caskets are a boost to the GDP.

    However the real money comes from the “Police Brutality Bonds”. The use of bonds to pay for settlements and judgments greatly increases the burden of policing costs on taxpayers, while producing a profit for banks and investors. Using bonds to pay for settlements or judgments can nearly double the costs of the original settlement. All of this is paid for by taxpayers.

    In 2015, the Wall Street Journal published a story headlined “Cost of Police-Misconduct Soars in Big Cities.” The story reported that the U.S. cities with the biggest police departments had collectively paid out more than $1.02 billion between 2010 and 2015 for settlements and judgments in cases involving violence committed by officers; $1.4 billion when the total includes cases involving incidents like officer-involved car crashes. The story explained that the costs of these settlements and judgments are almost entirely borne by taxpayers, not officers or their home police departments. But what the article did not mention is that by enabling loans to local cities and counties, Wall Street banks and wealthy investors are able to profit off the money municipalities spend to compensate victims of police violence.

    Los Angeles issued $71.4M in police settlement bonds from 2008-2017 and will pay $18m in interest.

    Since 2008, Milwaukee has authorized $26.1 million in borrowing to pay for police settlements and judgments. The taxpayers of Milwaukee will pay $3.7M in interest.

    Since 2008, Lake County, Indiana has issued over $18 million in Police Brutality Bonds and will pay $1.8M in interest.

    Chicago has borrowed $709M to pay for settlements including misconduct cases since 2010. This will cost taxpayers more than $1 billion in interest. (I had to re-check this number as it seemed astronomical. I have no idea why the interest paid by the taxpayers of Chicago is so much higher than average. My best guess is that the corruption in Chicago is to blame.)

    The small Pennsylvania city of Bethlehem settled a wrongful death lawsuit for $7.89 million in 2004. Its insurance paid for only $500,000, and the city issued $7.39 million in bonds to pay for the rest.

    The companies profiting from police brutality bonds include well known institutions like Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, and Bank of America, as well as smaller regional banks and other firms.

    This is a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to Wall Street and wealthy investors.

    Another huge part of the problem is that police departments all across America only hire low IQ people. Google the phrase “too smart to be a cop” to learn more. Departments want employees smart enough to follow orders but not smart enough to think about the rules they are enforcing. They have found that low IQ thugs are less likely to think about or read the constitution and case law and more likely to follow orders. They are a better fit for police culture and the Thin Blue Line. It is also well known that low IQ people tend to be more fearful. Low IQ fearful cops just following orders and the over-criminalization of victimless crimes are the perfect recipe for more police violence.

    As long as the investor class on Wall Street can profit from police brutality bonds, you can expect more police violence in cities all across the land and more profits for the bondholders.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Adam Smith

    Welcome to Clown World !

    All of these millions are pocket change next to police pension liabilities.

  77. @The Beggar Blogger
    What is your evidence that he's a diversity hire?

    Oh right, none.

    Replies: @Moses, @Truth, @BigDickNick

    Dude, he’s black.

    And the intellectual and accomplishment requirements needed to join a police force are SO high.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Truth

    Obviously, the rational way forward for policing in the USA is to replicate the William Parker-LAPD model.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  78. @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    BLM has a point

    No, it doesn’t. the Bureau of Justice Statistics has data series going back four decades. Perhaps 2% of the blacks who die by homicide each year are killed by police officers and the number killed in the course of non-justiciable homicides by private citizens is fewer. Take a look at the cases hucksters like Ben Crump and Ryan Julison promote. Most have elements which severely complicate the narrative they’re promoting and have to be obscured in various ways.

    Some people drown in their bathtubs, but it’s not a systematic problem in this country. Same deal with people being unjustly shot to death by cops.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Art Deco

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @David In TN, @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

  79. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Or maybe you won’t recall it because it’s been mostly memoryholed?
     
    There are two vibrant reasons for the MSM to memory-hole the Castile case: The blame is on Jumpin' Jeronimo, or Cannabis Castile, or both.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Officer Yanez must have been popped a few meths or else already had his brains substantially shrinked previously for other reasons. Nobody normal reacts like that. Just sayin’.

  80. @Anonymous
    OT:
    Now might be a good time for iSteve readers to review:
    "The Flight 93 Election"
    https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/
    by Publius Decius Mus aka Michael Anton aka ??? (baseless conspiracy theory...? evading the megaphone????)
    Also check "This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ
    TRUTH is stranger than fiction.
    Take NOTICE.
    LET'S ROLL!

    Replies: @Truth, @VivaLaMigra

    Camacho’s going to get all of that good stuff started, oh, any term now…

  81. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    Apparently the Russians feel the same way. Today's news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute. It's hard to mind your own business when your "friends" won't mind theirs.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon

    Today’s news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute.

    Not sure that’s believable … especially if it emanates from “Derp State” Pompeo.

    The Saker has this take:

    But then “Russia” called him and told him to stay put. The conversation must gone something like this:

    Putin: Mr Maduro – you don’t need to worry about a thing. Just do what we tell you and stay put.
    Maduro: but my people hate me! They all turned against me! The military is behind the coup!
    Putin: no, no, it’s all under control, just stay put.
    Maduro: but the mob will lynch me if I stay!!!!
    Putin: no worries, nobody will touch you.

    Does that dialog look credible to you? I sure hope not! I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence ought to realize that Maduro’s decision to stay in place could only have been based on one of two possible considerations:

    The coup has failed and Maduro is safe or
    The coup is successful and Maduro will stay and fight till his last breath (like Allende did)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Throughout Venezuela's decline about a third of the population has been enthusiastically supportive of the State: these are, of course, the beneficiaries of Chavezmo. A third of a country is a big bloc. Venezuela has been bleeding people who of course will be subtracting from the strength of the opposition. I don't think there's any American popular support for foreign adventurism. It's entirely possible that Maduro simply survived the latest CIA visit.

    , @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Why isn't that imaginary dialogue believable? Of course Putin's promises are worthless but why isn't it possible to believe that Putin made false promises to Maduro and Maduro is stupid enough to believe them? Maduro is not only a socialist but an idiot - it takes a special degree of stupidity to take an oil rich country and turn it into a poverty stricken hell hole.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox

  82. @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    They could have used Daniel Shaver, the guy murdered by the sniveling coward Philip Brailsford, but that wouldn’t be blackety blackety black black so never mind.

    BLM has a point

    No they don’t. What they are/were complaining about was not happening.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  83. @Jack D
    @bomag

    It's really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.

    An exception is going to be the Caribbean accountant that the lady cop shot in Texas. She is going down big time for that one.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    It’s really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.

    This is true. I once suggested to my African-American coworker a few years ago, that if you wanted to make a political argument that police in the US are systematically operating a system of death squads targeting people for being black, it would be much better to forget about poster children like Michael Brown and find examples of respectable, well-behaved people gunned down while going about their business. But there aren’t any!

    However there are far too many cases where cops are shooting drunk, mentally retarded people from across the street for waving a knife, and this reflects on the training that most US police forces seem to give that emphasizes shooting to kill over using verbal deescalation techniques and only using a gun as a last resort.

    Give a man a gun and everyone starts to look like a criminal needing to be shot.

    The other day my six-year-old daughter held me up in the kitchen pointing two finger pistols at me, and shouted “hands-up!” I raised both hands, but she shot me anyway. With my dying breath I asked “Why did you do that?”

    She replied: “You didn’t put your hands up fast enough.”

    I see a career in law enforcement in her future.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Jonathan Mason

    Wrong. Look up the Tueller Drill. A man with a knife can stab an officer faster than the latter can fire within 21 feet. Mas Ayoob has a demo on YouTube.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    It's up to you to teach her better, Mr. Mason. We've had discussions before, during which I got very frustrated at your highly unAmerican atttitude about guns, exacerbated by that shooting at the high school down there. Now, she's gonna get it wrong from both sides if you or your foreign wife don't teach her (and I'm guessing it'll be harder for the wife).

    She's gonna hear all the BS about the cops being your friend, and you must call 9-1-1 before you ever think of defending yourself (I'm thinking pepper spray and that first), and all this you must respect their AUTHORITAH crap from her school. (Then, if she encounters anything minor, and tries to do it the school's way, she'll be a Becky anyway ...). From you she's gonna hear that "guns are bad, mmkaaay", and get a fear of learning gun safety and self-defense. If you tell her to watch out for the cops too (usually pretty good advice) she's really not gonna have anywhere to turn.

    It's time to set her straight. I taught my 8 year-old a little bit about guns already, and we only haven't gone shooting yet because my best place to shoot outside lately has been built upon.

  84. @TomSchmidt
    @Mr. Anon

    "Split second?" That man terminated by the police was clearly not going to reach for a gun.

    I cannot believe he was not convicted.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    A tremendous failure of justice. This deference to cops deciding that they can kill anyone they want because “he might have been reaching for a gun” has no place in what used to be a free society.

    Most of what happens to blacks when they’re shot is because they refuse to comply. Shaver was complying – or trying to comply while being issued a bunch of contradictory orders. 6 cops can’t handcuff a guy that’s lying face down? Everyone that served on that jury is a disgrace. Brailsford should be on death row.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @William Badwhite

    I wouldn't go Death Row, but a good, long prison sentence. One understands jumpy cops, but we do need to break that culture.

    I think it was pretty clear from the audio that he wasn't good cop material. I mean that in the sense of the cops whose authority didn't come from a gun or a badge but from the tone of their voice, asserting masculine authority and control over a situation. Brailsford was far too in love with his firearm, and completely unable to understand and accept submission. He's like the cop who shot Tamir Rice within 2 seconds of arriving on the scene. People without an "alpha" attitude( who simply KNOW they're superior and assert it [and get compliance from that]) should not be police: if your only authority comes out of the barrel of a gun, then pretty soon your bullets will be too.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  85. “Third” degree murder? Is that what most states call “involuntary manslaughter?” IOW, he’ll be out of the joint in 4 to 6 years, tops! What we have here is a racist PoS [that’s “Piece of Smollet” for those of you who are still a bit behind the goings-on of the Current Year]. Anyone with two functioning neurons and a synapse between them knows that if the races and ethnicities of the killer and victim had been reversed, the charges, verdict, and ultimate sentence would be far more severe. What’s at work here is the following mathematical formula [Black Privilege X Muslim Privilege X Immigrant/Refugee Privilege] > [The Rule of Law].

    • Replies: @Alden
    @VivaLaMigra

    Thinking of muslim + immigrant + black privilege, someone is running for a seat on the King (Seattle) county council solely on the grounds that he is

    1. an immigrant 2. Ethiopian 3. grew up in the projects.

    That's it. Those are his sole qualifications. He'll probably win.

  86. @Anonymous
    OT:
    Now might be a good time for iSteve readers to review:
    "The Flight 93 Election"
    https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/
    by Publius Decius Mus aka Michael Anton aka ??? (baseless conspiracy theory...? evading the megaphone????)
    Also check "This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ
    TRUTH is stranger than fiction.
    Take NOTICE.
    LET'S ROLL!

    Replies: @Truth, @VivaLaMigra

    In the speech Trump specifically mentions the Wikileaks of the Clinton plot. So, why is Julian Assange still being extradicted to the US for prosecution? I don’t get it. I think a full pardon and political asylum status for Mr. Assange is long overdue.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @VivaLaMigra

    Assange helped Trump, therefore Assange must be mercilessly punished, by Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  87. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "degrees" vary by state and I'm not awake enough to look up the MN statute, but the higher (1st being the highest) degrees are usually "intentional" or "premeditated" and the lower are "accidental" or "heat of passion". The former types of killing are deemed worthy of greater punishment by the law.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    In some places (like New York) “first-degree murder” is reserved for capital murder. Since New York no longer enforces the death penalty, “second-degree murder” is the top charge.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ben tillman

    https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2013/pen/part-3/title-h/article-125/125.27/

    Nope. Even though there is no longer a death penalty, 1st degree murder remains on the books in NY.

    It is mostly defined as cop-killing plus a few other things. Basically it is EXTRA - EVIL murder - killing witnesses, being a contract killer, killing more than 1 person at a time, having previously been convicted of murder, etc.

    What in most other states is 1st degree murder (intentional homicide) is called 2nd degree murder in NY.

    NY also has something called "aggravated murder" which is ABOVE 1st degree murder (zeroeth degree murder?) which is also cop killing. This was added at a point where the legislature was responding to a NY Ct of Appeals decision that invalidated the death penalty for 1st degree murder but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn't actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were "tough on crime" because they passed this law and it's still on the books.

    So at this point, the difference between 0th, 1st and 2nd is the length of sentence:

    Second Degree Murder Minimum: 15 years to life, Maximum: 25 years to life
    First Degree Murder Minimum: 20 years to life, Maximum: Life without Parole
    Aggravated Murder Life Imprisonment without Parole

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  88. @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't get the 2 charges together to begin with, and what exactly entails 3rd-degree vs 2nd-degree on the 2. Paging Jack D. or any criminal lawyer type on here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @ben tillman

    Third-degree murder in Minnesota is the old “depraved indifference”/”malignant heart” variety:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

    609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

    (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

    (b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

    609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

    A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

    (1) by the person’s culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

    (2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

    (3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

    (4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner’s premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

    (5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

    If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim’s death.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ben tillman

    Neither one seems to fit the facts very well. It sounds like this was a "compromise verdict" by the jury - some jurors are for 2nd degree and some are for acquittal so you split the difference and all vote for 3rd degree and you get to go home for dinner. The jury is usually not told what the differences in sentences are.

    It will be interesting to see how much of the potential 25 years the judge actually gives him.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @ben tillman

    Thanks, Ben.

  89. @Art Deco
    @bomag

    BLM has a point

    No, it doesn't. the Bureau of Justice Statistics has data series going back four decades. Perhaps 2% of the blacks who die by homicide each year are killed by police officers and the number killed in the course of non-justiciable homicides by private citizens is fewer. Take a look at the cases hucksters like Ben Crump and Ryan Julison promote. Most have elements which severely complicate the narrative they're promoting and have to be obscured in various ways.

    Some people drown in their bathtubs, but it's not a systematic problem in this country. Same deal with people being unjustly shot to death by cops.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal


    Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run
     
    Plants breathe CO2.
    , @David In TN
    @Paleo Liberal

    "I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House."

    So am I. A few weeks after the Democratic convention they were still at it. Humphrey was giving a speech and a bunch of leftists were bellowing "Dump the Hump! Dump the Hump!"

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Paleo Liberal


    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.
     
    Your reasoning would make sense in the kind of absolute monarchy where if the other guy's accession to the throne would mean your proscription (in the traditional Roman manner). This being a constitutional republic where non-governmental organizations are pretty much jobs banks and slush funds for wily entrepreneurs in the non-profit sector, I'm at a loss as to why BLM's movers and shakers would care who wins or loses, as long as their sinecures and expense accounts are secure.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Art Deco
    @Paleo Liberal

    . I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    Nixon had in September 1968 a 15 point lead in the surveys being conducted by Gallup and Harris, which he then squandered. Joe Maginnes wrote a book about Nixon's advertisers and marketers implicitly lamenting the hold these hucksters had on the public mind. Fred Barnes pointed out that Nixon's ad campaigns were a wretched failure and nearly cost him the election. There were over 700 urban riots in the United States between 1963 and 1971, the index crime rate doubled over the course of a decade, and the country had by the fall of 1968 lost over 40,000 men in a mismanaged counter-insurgency in Indo-China. It's a testament to the mixture of inertia in the electorate and ineptitude in the Republican Party that the Democrats were not swept out of office at every level in 1966/70. Tom Hayden was an obnoxious nosepicker. Nothing more.

  90. @Byrresheim
    @Lugash

    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL's life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL’s life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.

    Good point.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @ben tillman

    Accepting it (to be temporarily accepted in polite company) or not, our relationship with Pakistan is not only a disaster, but is probably doomed to only ever be a disaster. Pakistan is, rather than a failed state, an incompetant state, and our only means of keeping what influence we can manage is by giving money to the same people who shoot at us. It is such a completely bad deal that one suspects that tbe OBL fairy tale was crafted more than anything else to humiliate Pakistan.

  91. NPR story on this leaves the last word to a relative of Philando Castile, who implies that a black (Somali) cop being convicted while the cop who shot Castile was found not guilty must be due to racism. It never pays to bow to the demands of the identitarian race hustlers. That also includes having your mayor wear a hijab. The jihadis see that as weakness in your own beliefs, not as a gesture of friendship.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Mr. Grey

    Mr. Grey, and that is why Emmitt Tills will forever be around.

  92. @Art Deco
    The responsible party was Mayor Betsy Hodges, who was blown out of office a year and a half ago. See the remarks of the quondam chief of police, Janee Harteau. Per Harteau, Hodges had been badgering her about appointments and promotions several layers deep in the organization. At the same time, Hodges' political fundraising imploded (a neat trick for an incumbent mayor), leaving her unable to pay her campaign staff. Six senior officers of her campaign quit en bloc and at least one told the media something which dovetails with what Harteau had to say: one of the reasons they were leaving was that they couldn't do their jobs without clearing every decision with a minion of the mayor at her city hall office. The mayor actually posed for publicity shots with Noor in the frame. (And not as part of a larger group). The recruitment of Noor has Hodges' fingerprints all over it.

    It's doubtful that this disaster will induce the Twin Cities political class to reconsider, of course.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius

    Every. Time.

    The MQ looms larger and larger.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Desiderius


    The MQ looms larger and larger.
     
    Why my good chap?

    All the package tour taqiyya artists that frequent iSteve have repeatedly assured me the MQ is nothing to worry about!

    Replies: @Desiderius

  93. @Paleo Liberal
    @Art Deco

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @David In TN, @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run

    Plants breathe CO2.

  94. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Third-degree murder in Minnesota is the old "depraved indifference"/"malignant heart" variety:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

    609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

    (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

    (b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

    609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

    A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

    (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

    (2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

    (3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

    (4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

    (5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

    If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Neither one seems to fit the facts very well. It sounds like this was a “compromise verdict” by the jury – some jurors are for 2nd degree and some are for acquittal so you split the difference and all vote for 3rd degree and you get to go home for dinner. The jury is usually not told what the differences in sentences are.

    It will be interesting to see how much of the potential 25 years the judge actually gives him.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  95. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    @Art Deco

    One juror's comments on the Noor and his Somali background:


    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community. I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated. He seemed very genuine to me. I don’t think he was a bad guy. I think he was a good guy. By all accounts during the trial, it seemed like he had good training, was a good cop. And unfortunately, he just made the worst mistake he could in about two or three seconds time. I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for his family. But we determined he committed a crime. And in the end, no one is above the law.
     
    First vote on Manslaughter was 8-guilty, 2-not guilty, 2-unsure. This particular juror was leaning towards acquittal until the expert testimony and then the awful defense portion of the trial including Noor's testimony. Statewide I think it is a different story, but these particular people are on board with having Somali cops.


    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/juror-reflects-on-noor-verdict/89-7b28d527-5a0e-4024-b2b4-68921e7c579c

    Replies: @anon, @Hibernian

    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community.

    why? what have they accomplished?

    Juror: I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated.

    so do you respect them or do you feel sorry for them?

  96. @William Badwhite
    @TomSchmidt

    A tremendous failure of justice. This deference to cops deciding that they can kill anyone they want because "he might have been reaching for a gun" has no place in what used to be a free society.

    Most of what happens to blacks when they're shot is because they refuse to comply. Shaver was complying - or trying to comply while being issued a bunch of contradictory orders. 6 cops can't handcuff a guy that's lying face down? Everyone that served on that jury is a disgrace. Brailsford should be on death row.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    I wouldn’t go Death Row, but a good, long prison sentence. One understands jumpy cops, but we do need to break that culture.

    I think it was pretty clear from the audio that he wasn’t good cop material. I mean that in the sense of the cops whose authority didn’t come from a gun or a badge but from the tone of their voice, asserting masculine authority and control over a situation. Brailsford was far too in love with his firearm, and completely unable to understand and accept submission. He’s like the cop who shot Tamir Rice within 2 seconds of arriving on the scene. People without an “alpha” attitude( who simply KNOW they’re superior and assert it [and get compliance from that]) should not be police: if your only authority comes out of the barrel of a gun, then pretty soon your bullets will be too.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @TomSchmidt

    Only a slight exaggeration on my part. Anything under about 20 years is a travesty, but life in prison (or execution) is deserved. As it was, this twitchy coward murdered an employed, non-criminal, husband and father of two in cold blood and received no punishment.

    I understand "jumpy" cops in certain circumstances, but Shaver was a middle-aged white guy that had been summoned from a hotel room and was complying or attempting to comply. You'd think that would lower their pulse rates a bit. Bear in mind they had nothing to go on other than one hotel guest saying they "might have" seen a gun. I've known a few cops over the years in both major cities and in sleepy suburbs - they get a lot of "might have seen" calls. Part of their job is assessing the situation upon arriving on the scene, rather than assuming that whatever the 911 caller told the 911 dispatcher they "thought they saw" is 100% true.

    It is beyond belief that after arriving at the hotel, seeing no disorderly conduct or any sort of conflict, and after seeing the two people arrested - a tipsy middle aged woman sobbing in terror and a bewildered middle-aged white guy who is clearly trying to comply with confusing instructions - that they continued with the whole SWAT team, faux military bullshit, ending in Brailsford murdering the guy. Not one of these cowards with their jump boots and "I'm trying to look like I'm in the special forces" costumes could have simply walked over and hand-cuffed him? I guess numerous other cops with rifles trained on the guy wasn't enough protection for the brave public servants.

    It was a pathetic display of cowardice by the cops and a gross miscarriage of justice. As it is, if Shaver's family wins their suit (or it is settled), the only people punished will be the citizens of Mesa.

  97. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    It’s really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.
     
    This is true. I once suggested to my African-American coworker a few years ago, that if you wanted to make a political argument that police in the US are systematically operating a system of death squads targeting people for being black, it would be much better to forget about poster children like Michael Brown and find examples of respectable, well-behaved people gunned down while going about their business. But there aren't any!

    However there are far too many cases where cops are shooting drunk, mentally retarded people from across the street for waving a knife, and this reflects on the training that most US police forces seem to give that emphasizes shooting to kill over using verbal deescalation techniques and only using a gun as a last resort.

    Give a man a gun and everyone starts to look like a criminal needing to be shot.

    The other day my six-year-old daughter held me up in the kitchen pointing two finger pistols at me, and shouted "hands-up!" I raised both hands, but she shot me anyway. With my dying breath I asked "Why did you do that?"

    She replied: "You didn't put your hands up fast enough."

    I see a career in law enforcement in her future.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Achmed E. Newman

    Wrong. Look up the Tueller Drill. A man with a knife can stab an officer faster than the latter can fire within 21 feet. Mas Ayoob has a demo on YouTube.

  98. @Mr. Anon
    @TGGP

    Juries are often far too deferential to cops. These guys got away with murder:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Anon

    This went to trial shortly after the Las Vegas massacre.

  99. @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Mutant of the day. I heard this news but did not see the photo until now.

    Replies: @jim jones

    She looks like the weird androgyne in the TV series Billions

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @jim jones


    She looks like the weird androgyne in the TV series Billions
     
    I watch every episode. Hope you did not miss last week. A New York show so the the sexually ambidextrous works. https://www.fanfunwithdamianlewis.com/
  100. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    "Training Day" is a pretty decent fictionalization of the LAPD Ramparts Scandal. "Crash" has some elements drawn from it too.

    Replies: @miss marple, @Art Deco, @J.Ross

    I recognize several plotlines and details in the Shield as very close, apart from nearly every Angelino malo (especially in the squad in question) being a huero (in fact, in the squad, they’re nearly all Polacks, which is surely a wink), and that insufferable story arc where a black female city employee, necessarily the beneficiary of a million flubs, suddenly accepts Immanuel Kant into her heart as her personal savior and demands perfect justice.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @J.Ross

    Los Angeles is not exactly a very Polish city. Slavic people on the West Coast tend to be engineers, often aerospace.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ben tillman
    @Byrresheim


    You sound as if you took the official conspiracy theory of OBL’s life and times seriously.
    You should not, sir.
     
    Good point.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Accepting it (to be temporarily accepted in polite company) or not, our relationship with Pakistan is not only a disaster, but is probably doomed to only ever be a disaster. Pakistan is, rather than a failed state, an incompetant state, and our only means of keeping what influence we can manage is by giving money to the same people who shoot at us. It is such a completely bad deal that one suspects that tbe OBL fairy tale was crafted more than anything else to humiliate Pakistan.

  102. @VivaLaMigra
    @Anonymous

    In the speech Trump specifically mentions the Wikileaks of the Clinton plot. So, why is Julian Assange still being extradicted to the US for prosecution? I don't get it. I think a full pardon and political asylum status for Mr. Assange is long overdue.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Assange helped Trump, therefore Assange must be mercilessly punished, by Trump.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    It was that or his son got Gestapo’d. What would you do?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  103. J.Ross says: • Website
    @El Dato
    @Jack D


    Today’s news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute.
     
    Not sure that's believable ... especially if it emanates from "Derp State" Pompeo.

    The Saker has this take:

    But then “Russia” called him and told him to stay put. The conversation must gone something like this:

    Putin: Mr Maduro – you don’t need to worry about a thing. Just do what we tell you and stay put.
    Maduro: but my people hate me! They all turned against me! The military is behind the coup!
    Putin: no, no, it’s all under control, just stay put.
    Maduro: but the mob will lynch me if I stay!!!!
    Putin: no worries, nobody will touch you.


    Does that dialog look credible to you? I sure hope not! I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence ought to realize that Maduro’s decision to stay in place could only have been based on one of two possible considerations:

    The coup has failed and Maduro is safe or
    The coup is successful and Maduro will stay and fight till his last breath (like Allende did)

     

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Throughout Venezuela’s decline about a third of the population has been enthusiastically supportive of the State: these are, of course, the beneficiaries of Chavezmo. A third of a country is a big bloc. Venezuela has been bleeding people who of course will be subtracting from the strength of the opposition. I don’t think there’s any American popular support for foreign adventurism. It’s entirely possible that Maduro simply survived the latest CIA visit.

  104. @Truth
    @The Beggar Blogger

    Dude, he's black.

    And the intellectual and accomplishment requirements needed to join a police force are SO high.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Obviously, the rational way forward for policing in the USA is to replicate the William Parker-LAPD model.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SunBakedSuburb

    What Truth said. He is black, from Somalia, and the intellectual accomplishments required are SO high, for him.

    Replies: @Truth

  105. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Truth

    Obviously, the rational way forward for policing in the USA is to replicate the William Parker-LAPD model.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    What Truth said. He is black, from Somalia, and the intellectual accomplishments required are SO high, for him.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You misunderstood.

    http://www.startribune.com/cops-take-on-a-statewide-shortage-of-potential-recruits/502639672/

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/10/31/minneapolis-police-department-trouble-recruiting-new-officers/


    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/police-departments-facing-officer-shortage/89-623061536


    Just about every metro police force in America has very low requirements for being a police officer. Race is insignificant to hiring. So calling him a "diversity hire" is just stupid, more like a "warm body who applied."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  106. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    It’s really hard to find poster boy victims like Justine in the black community. Usually the black victims have plenty of skeletons in their closet AND behave less than perfectly in their final confrontation which serve to lessen the sympathy of the jury and the public and make police convictions difficult to obtain.
     
    This is true. I once suggested to my African-American coworker a few years ago, that if you wanted to make a political argument that police in the US are systematically operating a system of death squads targeting people for being black, it would be much better to forget about poster children like Michael Brown and find examples of respectable, well-behaved people gunned down while going about their business. But there aren't any!

    However there are far too many cases where cops are shooting drunk, mentally retarded people from across the street for waving a knife, and this reflects on the training that most US police forces seem to give that emphasizes shooting to kill over using verbal deescalation techniques and only using a gun as a last resort.

    Give a man a gun and everyone starts to look like a criminal needing to be shot.

    The other day my six-year-old daughter held me up in the kitchen pointing two finger pistols at me, and shouted "hands-up!" I raised both hands, but she shot me anyway. With my dying breath I asked "Why did you do that?"

    She replied: "You didn't put your hands up fast enough."

    I see a career in law enforcement in her future.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s up to you to teach her better, Mr. Mason. We’ve had discussions before, during which I got very frustrated at your highly unAmerican atttitude about guns, exacerbated by that shooting at the high school down there. Now, she’s gonna get it wrong from both sides if you or your foreign wife don’t teach her (and I’m guessing it’ll be harder for the wife).

    She’s gonna hear all the BS about the cops being your friend, and you must call 9-1-1 before you ever think of defending yourself (I’m thinking pepper spray and that first), and all this you must respect their AUTHORITAH crap from her school. (Then, if she encounters anything minor, and tries to do it the school’s way, she’ll be a Becky anyway …). From you she’s gonna hear that “guns are bad, mmkaaay”, and get a fear of learning gun safety and self-defense. If you tell her to watch out for the cops too (usually pretty good advice) she’s really not gonna have anywhere to turn.

    It’s time to set her straight. I taught my 8 year-old a little bit about guns already, and we only haven’t gone shooting yet because my best place to shoot outside lately has been built upon.

  107. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Third-degree murder in Minnesota is the old "depraved indifference"/"malignant heart" variety:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

    609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

    (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

    (b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

    609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

    A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

    (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

    (2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

    (3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

    (4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

    (5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

    If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Ben.

  108. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    https://img.apmcdn.org/b0d29b7d6f9d405727f923ceb60d1826e3f976d8/uncropped/85c1da-20180510-kelly-holstine.jpg

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jack D, @Clyde, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    It teaches at a Juvenile Hall. That’s actually a plum teaching job because when they act as blacks do, the teacher just calls the guard and the thug is banned from class. Teachers in ghetto schools pray for a chance to teach in a juvenile hall or youthful offenders prison. And not much unpaid overtime with lesson plans, emails to parents etc either.

  109. @VivaLaMigra
    "Third" degree murder? Is that what most states call "involuntary manslaughter?" IOW, he'll be out of the joint in 4 to 6 years, tops! What we have here is a racist PoS [that's "Piece of Smollet" for those of you who are still a bit behind the goings-on of the Current Year]. Anyone with two functioning neurons and a synapse between them knows that if the races and ethnicities of the killer and victim had been reversed, the charges, verdict, and ultimate sentence would be far more severe. What's at work here is the following mathematical formula [Black Privilege X Muslim Privilege X Immigrant/Refugee Privilege] > [The Rule of Law].

    Replies: @Alden

    Thinking of muslim + immigrant + black privilege, someone is running for a seat on the King (Seattle) county council solely on the grounds that he is

    1. an immigrant 2. Ethiopian 3. grew up in the projects.

    That’s it. Those are his sole qualifications. He’ll probably win.

  110. Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor.

    Steve, what do you mean by this?

    There’s plenty of evidence that everybody knew Noor was unfit to be a policeman,…

    What evidence? You link to a story about Michelle Bachmann calling him an ‘affirmative action hire’; that hardly establishes the point.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    Here we see the benefit of the leftist war against freedom of speech. Were there a hundred red flags and counsels in the negative? Maybe. Probably not all in writing. Probably not in a permanent form, from anyone who can't afford to be witchfound as a racist. Probably not something that can be checked.
    Along the same lines: we've found out why no vote fraud inquiry ever gets anywhere. The inquiries shouldn't be necesary. It should be enough that our voter verification standards are laughable: Mexico and India do a more modern and thorough job.
    A judge in Texas ordered one halted as soon as it became possible to confuse people (which would potentially disenfranchise legitimate voters).
    The Spanish-speaking world never completely left the Middle Ages and Mexican names, like those of Koreans and Muslims, are massively not unique. Any time you work with a list of names of Mexicans (or Koreans, or Muslims) there is a near guarantee of finding multiple unrelated people with the exact same name in the same spelling. So, just like our voter verification makes no practical sense, the verification of our voter verification makes no practical sense.
    It should not be regarded as the fault of the inquiries that legitimate voters are in threat of disenfranchisement, and we are hardly protecting anything by giving up at the first difficulty. Similarly, it is not asking for mulligans that we give credence to possibly unprovable claims of red flags, considering the environment.

  111. @The Beggar Blogger
    What is your evidence that he's a diversity hire?

    Oh right, none.

    Replies: @Moses, @Truth, @BigDickNick

    my understanding is there were like 100 insane red flags/ multiple people advising higher ups to not let him be a cop.

  112. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Henry's Cat

    Lee Harvey Oswald had a more reassuring personal demeanour than Noor.
     
    Steve, what do you mean by this?

    There’s plenty of evidence that everybody knew Noor was unfit to be a policeman,...

     

    What evidence? You link to a story about Michelle Bachmann calling him an 'affirmative action hire'; that hardly establishes the point.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Here we see the benefit of the leftist war against freedom of speech. Were there a hundred red flags and counsels in the negative? Maybe. Probably not all in writing. Probably not in a permanent form, from anyone who can’t afford to be witchfound as a racist. Probably not something that can be checked.
    Along the same lines: we’ve found out why no vote fraud inquiry ever gets anywhere. The inquiries shouldn’t be necesary. It should be enough that our voter verification standards are laughable: Mexico and India do a more modern and thorough job.
    A judge in Texas ordered one halted as soon as it became possible to confuse people (which would potentially disenfranchise legitimate voters).
    The Spanish-speaking world never completely left the Middle Ages and Mexican names, like those of Koreans and Muslims, are massively not unique. Any time you work with a list of names of Mexicans (or Koreans, or Muslims) there is a near guarantee of finding multiple unrelated people with the exact same name in the same spelling. So, just like our voter verification makes no practical sense, the verification of our voter verification makes no practical sense.
    It should not be regarded as the fault of the inquiries that legitimate voters are in threat of disenfranchisement, and we are hardly protecting anything by giving up at the first difficulty. Similarly, it is not asking for mulligans that we give credence to possibly unprovable claims of red flags, considering the environment.

  113. @Enemy of Earth
    Having recently moved to the Land of Ice Fishing I've been watching this story out of the corner of my eye. I was honestly expecting the diversity hire lawman would be acquitted. When a local paper ran a story about the jury and described one of the women on the jury as an ob-gyn who identified herself as a person of color and then said she was often mistaken for a nurse or technician because of "implicit bias" I figured the marshal from Mogadishu would skate.

    But lo and behold he didn't. Of course the verdict will be appealed and who knows how that will end. A quick perusal of the comments on the newspaper's coverage ran from "Nobody wins" to "At last justice." to "She should not have approached the cop car and should have stayed in the house."

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Enemy, I call BS on the POC OB GYN. While nurses and techs often wear way too casual garb for a medical settling, doctors almost always wear their white jacket in hospitals.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    Whatever clothes they wear, they all wear a little badge with MD RN PA LVN CNA NP whatever after their name.

    I call bogus on it too.

    , @jim jones
    @Buffalo Joe

    My experience is that Doctors love to hang a stethoscope around their neck as a mark of status

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  114. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @SunBakedSuburb

    What Truth said. He is black, from Somalia, and the intellectual accomplishments required are SO high, for him.

    Replies: @Truth

    You misunderstood.

    http://www.startribune.com/cops-take-on-a-statewide-shortage-of-potential-recruits/502639672/

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/10/31/minneapolis-police-department-trouble-recruiting-new-officers/

    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/police-departments-facing-officer-shortage/89-623061536

    Just about every metro police force in America has very low requirements for being a police officer. Race is insignificant to hiring. So calling him a “diversity hire” is just stupid, more like a “warm body who applied.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Truth

    Nah, Truth, you misunderstood that I was calling your bluff. Yeah, I knew that was sarcasm. Yeah, you are reasonably intelligent. No, you may not know how deep the stupidity goes in some groups of people. Somalians are one of these groups.

    This guy may not have been a moron, but look, Truth. That area is still majority white. This guy is an AA hire just due to the fact that he worked on that police force. Do you not think there would have been a white guy that is smarter than him that would have taken the position?

    AA has been around my whole life, Truth. There aren't that many black people working today that I can be sure are NOT AA hires. It's all built into the system now.

  115. @J.Ross
    @VivaLaMigra

    Assange helped Trump, therefore Assange must be mercilessly punished, by Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It was that or his son got Gestapo’d. What would you do?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    They're Gestapo, they'll get your son anyway. See either version of Ransom.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  116. @El Dato
    @Jack D


    Today’s news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute.
     
    Not sure that's believable ... especially if it emanates from "Derp State" Pompeo.

    The Saker has this take:

    But then “Russia” called him and told him to stay put. The conversation must gone something like this:

    Putin: Mr Maduro – you don’t need to worry about a thing. Just do what we tell you and stay put.
    Maduro: but my people hate me! They all turned against me! The military is behind the coup!
    Putin: no, no, it’s all under control, just stay put.
    Maduro: but the mob will lynch me if I stay!!!!
    Putin: no worries, nobody will touch you.


    Does that dialog look credible to you? I sure hope not! I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence ought to realize that Maduro’s decision to stay in place could only have been based on one of two possible considerations:

    The coup has failed and Maduro is safe or
    The coup is successful and Maduro will stay and fight till his last breath (like Allende did)

     

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Why isn’t that imaginary dialogue believable? Of course Putin’s promises are worthless but why isn’t it possible to believe that Putin made false promises to Maduro and Maduro is stupid enough to believe them? Maduro is not only a socialist but an idiot – it takes a special degree of stupidity to take an oil rich country and turn it into a poverty stricken hell hole.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Putin's promises are worthless? I am certain he has a better record than we do.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    It's not as simple as that... Here's a counterfactual. Indonesia went from being a massively, grindingly poor hell hole in the 60s, worse than Africa, to being a lower middle to middle class country within a quarter century, but the oil sector caused problems, not wealth: it was horrifically managed by the New Order and ending up retarding progress. The state oil company went bankrupt in the 70s and Suharto had to bail it out just after Indonesia got all its Sukarno era debt problems taken care of. This didn't stop the economic growth, but it put a pretty big dent in it that only recovered in the early 80s. Oil is only useful when properly managed, or if you import people to do so for you. Indonesia didn't have either option-the first for obvious development reasons, the second for political ones-and...

    Anyway, not going to argue that Maduro isn't an idiot who could be easily played by someone like Putin. I don't know much about the place, but I've talked to enough Venezuelans to know that. But really? Putin went to bat for Assad. We wouldn't for Mubarak, an ally of 30 years. What good is a US word when we hate you? Gaddafi decided to give up his nukes after persuasion, we let him get sodomized. North Korea didn't, and Kim now shakes hands with Trump and Putin alike.

    Third world dictators notice this kind of thing. If you don't have strong historical reasons to distrust the Russians, why wouldn't you trust that Putin will act more predictably than Washington these days? And even if you do have those historical reasons-Iran-your distrust for the US and what is going on here, with the media and the daily shenanigans on the Hill, to say nothing of globalism and cultural Bolahevism, might exceed that.

  117. @Anonymous
    https://www.twincities.com/2019/04/30/minnesota-state-teacher-of-the-year-skips-white-house-ceremony/

    Minnesota state teacher of the year boycotts White House ceremony, citing Trump

    https://img.apmcdn.org/b0d29b7d6f9d405727f923ceb60d1826e3f976d8/uncropped/85c1da-20180510-kelly-holstine.jpg

    Kelly Holstine (she/her)

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jack D, @Clyde, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Anon, good for her, not often we see a Mohawk recognized for success.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Heh!

    Still, I hope she's the last of 'em.

  118. @Mr. Grey
    NPR story on this leaves the last word to a relative of Philando Castile, who implies that a black (Somali) cop being convicted while the cop who shot Castile was found not guilty must be due to racism. It never pays to bow to the demands of the identitarian race hustlers. That also includes having your mayor wear a hijab. The jihadis see that as weakness in your own beliefs, not as a gesture of friendship.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Mr. Grey, and that is why Emmitt Tills will forever be around.

  119. @ben tillman
    @Jack D

    In some places (like New York) "first-degree murder" is reserved for capital murder. Since New York no longer enforces the death penalty, "second-degree murder" is the top charge.

    Replies: @Jack D

    https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2013/pen/part-3/title-h/article-125/125.27/

    Nope. Even though there is no longer a death penalty, 1st degree murder remains on the books in NY.

    It is mostly defined as cop-killing plus a few other things. Basically it is EXTRA – EVIL murder – killing witnesses, being a contract killer, killing more than 1 person at a time, having previously been convicted of murder, etc.

    What in most other states is 1st degree murder (intentional homicide) is called 2nd degree murder in NY.

    NY also has something called “aggravated murder” which is ABOVE 1st degree murder (zeroeth degree murder?) which is also cop killing. This was added at a point where the legislature was responding to a NY Ct of Appeals decision that invalidated the death penalty for 1st degree murder but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn’t actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were “tough on crime” because they passed this law and it’s still on the books.

    So at this point, the difference between 0th, 1st and 2nd is the length of sentence:

    Second Degree Murder Minimum: 15 years to life, Maximum: 25 years to life
    First Degree Murder Minimum: 20 years to life, Maximum: Life without Parole
    Aggravated Murder Life Imprisonment without Parole

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn’t actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were “tough on crime” because they passed this law and it’s still on the books.
     
    I am fuzzy on why a police officer's life is more valuable than, say, a brain surgeon, or, for that matter, a bus driver. Why do liberals deprecate the lives of normal, honest people in favor of murderers?

    Maybe you do not know. But you are a Philadelphia Lawyer. If you do not know, I will ascribe the worst motives to the 'goodthinkers'. What do you think Jack?

    Replies: @Jack D

  120. @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    It was that or his son got Gestapo’d. What would you do?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    They’re Gestapo, they’ll get your son anyway. See either version of Ransom.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.

    Replies: @Clyde

  121. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Why isn't that imaginary dialogue believable? Of course Putin's promises are worthless but why isn't it possible to believe that Putin made false promises to Maduro and Maduro is stupid enough to believe them? Maduro is not only a socialist but an idiot - it takes a special degree of stupidity to take an oil rich country and turn it into a poverty stricken hell hole.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox

    Putin’s promises are worthless? I am certain he has a better record than we do.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    OK, then, so Maduro was right to accept them.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  122. @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    Every. Time.

    The MQ looms larger and larger.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    The MQ looms larger and larger.

    Why my good chap?

    All the package tour taqiyya artists that frequent iSteve have repeatedly assured me the MQ is nothing to worry about!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    MQ = Minnesota Question.

    Only mostly kidding.

  123. @Buffalo Joe
    @Enemy of Earth

    Enemy, I call BS on the POC OB GYN. While nurses and techs often wear way too casual garb for a medical settling, doctors almost always wear their white jacket in hospitals.

    Replies: @Alden, @jim jones

    Whatever clothes they wear, they all wear a little badge with MD RN PA LVN CNA NP whatever after their name.

    I call bogus on it too.

  124. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    They're Gestapo, they'll get your son anyway. See either version of Ransom.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Desiderius


    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.
     
    What's the over/under for when Uncle Joe is hustled-dropped into his waiting van, Hillary style? Fellow oldster Bernie is more intact.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  125. @Paleo Liberal
    @Art Deco

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @David In TN, @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    “I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.”

    So am I. A few weeks after the Democratic convention they were still at it. Humphrey was giving a speech and a bunch of leftists were bellowing “Dump the Hump! Dump the Hump!”

  126. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Putin's promises are worthless? I am certain he has a better record than we do.

    Replies: @Jack D

    OK, then, so Maduro was right to accept them.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Maybe we could get a second opinion from the guy every Western security expert called "Fredo."

  127. @Paleo Liberal
    @Art Deco

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @David In TN, @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Your reasoning would make sense in the kind of absolute monarchy where if the other guy’s accession to the throne would mean your proscription (in the traditional Roman manner). This being a constitutional republic where non-governmental organizations are pretty much jobs banks and slush funds for wily entrepreneurs in the non-profit sector, I’m at a loss as to why BLM’s movers and shakers would care who wins or loses, as long as their sinecures and expense accounts are secure.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Johann Ricke

    Good point. One of antifa's slogans is "liberals get the bullet too" (for insufficient revolutionary consciousness; they view centrist Democrats as enemies).

  128. @Johann Ricke
    @Paleo Liberal


    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.
     
    Your reasoning would make sense in the kind of absolute monarchy where if the other guy's accession to the throne would mean your proscription (in the traditional Roman manner). This being a constitutional republic where non-governmental organizations are pretty much jobs banks and slush funds for wily entrepreneurs in the non-profit sector, I'm at a loss as to why BLM's movers and shakers would care who wins or loses, as long as their sinecures and expense accounts are secure.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Good point. One of antifa’s slogans is “liberals get the bullet too” (for insufficient revolutionary consciousness; they view centrist Democrats as enemies).

  129. @captflee
    Place your bets, gents! Regarding the eventual sentencing, I call dibs on "less than two years, total".

    I also wager that no one above Noor will be even moderately discomfited.


    On a related front, my son is now engaged in the application process to become a LEO, and this week's hoop is psychological testing. The first part is online testing, for which he took four each three hundred question practice quizzes. A wildly disproportionate percentage involved ...reptiles???? WTF am I missing here? Being basically a sandbar situated amongst numerous wetlands, we here punch well above our weight on gators and poisonous snakes, so I can see a practical purpose to ascertain whether one is very afraid of snakes, but unless there's some sort of Jungian bullshit at play, I'm at a loss as to what this is all about. Can anyone in the trade enlighten me?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    my son is now engaged in the application process to become a LEO, and this week’s hoop is psychological testing. The first part is online testing, for which he took four each three hundred question practice quizzes. A wildly disproportionate percentage involved …reptiles????

    Maybe bad cops tend to have pulled tails off lizards a lot as boys?

    • Replies: @captflee
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, Steve!

    In "drilling down" , it is reported to me that nearly all questions were variations on the theme of, "Are you now or have you ever been the owner of a snake/lizard/turtle ?"

    I smell an opportunity here for members of the bar. Perhaps after the necrophiliacs win World War N, kids who owned turtles and are thus unemployable will claim their due in the Social Justice Sweepstakes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross

  130. @jim jones
    @Clyde

    She looks like the weird androgyne in the TV series Billions

    Replies: @Clyde

    She looks like the weird androgyne in the TV series Billions

    I watch every episode. Hope you did not miss last week. A New York show so the the sexually ambidextrous works. https://www.fanfunwithdamianlewis.com/

  131. @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.

    Replies: @Clyde

    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.

    What’s the over/under for when Uncle Joe is hustled-dropped into his waiting van, Hillary style? Fellow oldster Bernie is more intact.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Clyde

    One of the reasons Globohomocorp picked him is the likelihood they can smuggle their preferred candidate in as a VP.

    Replies: @res

  132. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anon, good for her, not often we see a Mohawk recognized for success.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Heh!

    Still, I hope she’s the last of ’em.

  133. @Truth
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You misunderstood.

    http://www.startribune.com/cops-take-on-a-statewide-shortage-of-potential-recruits/502639672/

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/10/31/minneapolis-police-department-trouble-recruiting-new-officers/


    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/police-departments-facing-officer-shortage/89-623061536


    Just about every metro police force in America has very low requirements for being a police officer. Race is insignificant to hiring. So calling him a "diversity hire" is just stupid, more like a "warm body who applied."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, Truth, you misunderstood that I was calling your bluff. Yeah, I knew that was sarcasm. Yeah, you are reasonably intelligent. No, you may not know how deep the stupidity goes in some groups of people. Somalians are one of these groups.

    This guy may not have been a moron, but look, Truth. That area is still majority white. This guy is an AA hire just due to the fact that he worked on that police force. Do you not think there would have been a white guy that is smarter than him that would have taken the position?

    AA has been around my whole life, Truth. There aren’t that many black people working today that I can be sure are NOT AA hires. It’s all built into the system now.

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @captflee

    my son is now engaged in the application process to become a LEO, and this week’s hoop is psychological testing. The first part is online testing, for which he took four each three hundred question practice quizzes. A wildly disproportionate percentage involved …reptiles????

    Maybe bad cops tend to have pulled tails off lizards a lot as boys?

    Replies: @captflee

    Thanks, Steve!

    In “drilling down” , it is reported to me that nearly all questions were variations on the theme of, “Are you now or have you ever been the owner of a snake/lizard/turtle ?”

    I smell an opportunity here for members of the bar. Perhaps after the necrophiliacs win World War N, kids who owned turtles and are thus unemployable will claim their due in the Social Justice Sweepstakes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @captflee

    Fascinating.

    Some of the questions are probably there to see if you always answer the same way each time. So if they ask did you own a turtle as a child, you'd better think hard and not change your mind.

    James Thompson of Unz probably knows a lot about this.

    Replies: @captflee

    , @J.Ross
    @captflee

    >are you one of those idiots who keeps a poisonous snake in a Tupperware tub with holes punched in the lid, and will eventually get bit while feeding it?
    Say no more. I was ready to disapprove of this until I got to the word "owner." I agree that those guys shouldn't be cops.

    Replies: @captflee

  135. @Lugash
    @Wilkey

    The propaganda machine is busy trying to overthrow the government of Venezuela, so no time for anything domestic.

    We're almost at the 8th anniversary of OBL's death, yet there have been no public inquiries into Pakistan's role in sheltering him. Nor has there been any reduction in foreign aid. No sanctions have been placed on Pakistan. No visas have been revoked.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag, @Byrresheim, @Oleaginous Outrager, @Hibernian

    We have a halfway good excuse for Venezuela, compare to other areas where we’ve become heavily involved. It’s a lot closer to home.

  136. @captflee
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, Steve!

    In "drilling down" , it is reported to me that nearly all questions were variations on the theme of, "Are you now or have you ever been the owner of a snake/lizard/turtle ?"

    I smell an opportunity here for members of the bar. Perhaps after the necrophiliacs win World War N, kids who owned turtles and are thus unemployable will claim their due in the Social Justice Sweepstakes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross

    Fascinating.

    Some of the questions are probably there to see if you always answer the same way each time. So if they ask did you own a turtle as a child, you’d better think hard and not change your mind.

    James Thompson of Unz probably knows a lot about this.

    • Replies: @captflee
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, Steve!

  137. @Barnard
    @Art Deco

    One juror's comments on the Noor and his Somali background:


    Juror: I have a lot of respect for the Somali community. I’m old enough to remember the Time Magazine article in ’93 or ’94 with the starving children on the cover, so that kind of resonated. He seemed very genuine to me. I don’t think he was a bad guy. I think he was a good guy. By all accounts during the trial, it seemed like he had good training, was a good cop. And unfortunately, he just made the worst mistake he could in about two or three seconds time. I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for his family. But we determined he committed a crime. And in the end, no one is above the law.
     
    First vote on Manslaughter was 8-guilty, 2-not guilty, 2-unsure. This particular juror was leaning towards acquittal until the expert testimony and then the awful defense portion of the trial including Noor's testimony. Statewide I think it is a different story, but these particular people are on board with having Somali cops.


    https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/juror-reflects-on-noor-verdict/89-7b28d527-5a0e-4024-b2b4-68921e7c579c

    Replies: @anon, @Hibernian

    Maybe Nordic affinity for rules outweighed Nordic soft hearted idealism. A good thing.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Hibernian

    Six of the jurors were described as "people of color" in initial trial reports. I believe three were immigrants to the United States. I am guessing the Minnesota natives in the jury were strongly in the conviction camp, but knew they had to watch what they said to secure it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  138. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    I recognize several plotlines and details in the Shield as very close, apart from nearly every Angelino malo (especially in the squad in question) being a huero (in fact, in the squad, they're nearly all Polacks, which is surely a wink), and that insufferable story arc where a black female city employee, necessarily the beneficiary of a million flubs, suddenly accepts Immanuel Kant into her heart as her personal savior and demands perfect justice.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Los Angeles is not exactly a very Polish city. Slavic people on the West Coast tend to be engineers, often aerospace.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hibernian

    Exactly. Like they got an ukase to make every primary bad cop white, so they used highly improbable details to signal to the audience. Polish masons exploited by Germans used different types of brick, which would look the same at first but change color over time, to spell out messages in walls.

  139. J.Ross says: • Website
    @captflee
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, Steve!

    In "drilling down" , it is reported to me that nearly all questions were variations on the theme of, "Are you now or have you ever been the owner of a snake/lizard/turtle ?"

    I smell an opportunity here for members of the bar. Perhaps after the necrophiliacs win World War N, kids who owned turtles and are thus unemployable will claim their due in the Social Justice Sweepstakes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross

    >are you one of those idiots who keeps a poisonous snake in a Tupperware tub with holes punched in the lid, and will eventually get bit while feeding it?
    Say no more. I was ready to disapprove of this until I got to the word “owner.” I agree that those guys shouldn’t be cops.

    • Replies: @captflee
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross;

    Lord only knows the pressures on gubmints to thread the needle with keeping the minority hire numbers up and somehow weeding out the unworthy.

    Never been much for the poikilothermous animals, myself. Did have a Pakistani gent down the street when I was a teen who was a PhD herpetologist at Duke, with a houseful of snakes from everywhere, poison and not, caged and not. As society went to hell in the sixties, even our suburban idyll felt the lash of crime when a miscreant broke into the good doctor's house, apparently got spooked by one of the free serpents, and opted to leave via a sliding glass patio door without opening it, leaving a visible trail of blood back through the woods over to about where the Sedaris clan lived.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  140. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    OK, then, so Maduro was right to accept them.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Maybe we could get a second opinion from the guy every Western security expert called “Fredo.”

  141. @Enemy of Earth
    Having recently moved to the Land of Ice Fishing I've been watching this story out of the corner of my eye. I was honestly expecting the diversity hire lawman would be acquitted. When a local paper ran a story about the jury and described one of the women on the jury as an ob-gyn who identified herself as a person of color and then said she was often mistaken for a nurse or technician because of "implicit bias" I figured the marshal from Mogadishu would skate.

    But lo and behold he didn't. Of course the verdict will be appealed and who knows how that will end. A quick perusal of the comments on the newspaper's coverage ran from "Nobody wins" to "At last justice." to "She should not have approached the cop car and should have stayed in the house."

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    These events signal a return to tribal justice. But it will not happen overnight. And it won’t happen at all, until it does. And then there will be no reasoning with the backlash. And Democrats (mostly), and retard Republicans, will wonder how it all happened so fast.

  142. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Hibernian
    @J.Ross

    Los Angeles is not exactly a very Polish city. Slavic people on the West Coast tend to be engineers, often aerospace.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Exactly. Like they got an ukase to make every primary bad cop white, so they used highly improbable details to signal to the audience. Polish masons exploited by Germans used different types of brick, which would look the same at first but change color over time, to spell out messages in walls.

  143. @Paleo Liberal
    @Art Deco

    Interesting thing.

    BLM leadership knew the protests would increase the percentage of GOP voters. They simply couldn’t imagine Trump winning, so they decided it was worth the risk.

    Strange how life works. The so-called Green Party’s greatest accomplishment was getting Bush into the White House, when Gore was probably the greenest candidate ever to run for president. BLM’s greatest accomplishment was getting Trump, a man they consider a racist, elected president instead of Hillary Clinton who would’ve been more sympathetic to their cause.

    I saw the swing of voters to Trump happening. I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    There is a lesson to be learned about choosing one’s battles. The leaders of the various gay activist groups supported Obama even though he did not support gay marriage. But they got everything they wanted while he was president.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @David In TN, @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    . I am old enough to remember 1968 when left wing activists effectively put Richard Nixon in the White House.

    Nixon had in September 1968 a 15 point lead in the surveys being conducted by Gallup and Harris, which he then squandered. Joe Maginnes wrote a book about Nixon’s advertisers and marketers implicitly lamenting the hold these hucksters had on the public mind. Fred Barnes pointed out that Nixon’s ad campaigns were a wretched failure and nearly cost him the election. There were over 700 urban riots in the United States between 1963 and 1971, the index crime rate doubled over the course of a decade, and the country had by the fall of 1968 lost over 40,000 men in a mismanaged counter-insurgency in Indo-China. It’s a testament to the mixture of inertia in the electorate and ineptitude in the Republican Party that the Democrats were not swept out of office at every level in 1966/70. Tom Hayden was an obnoxious nosepicker. Nothing more.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  144. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Desiderius


    The MQ looms larger and larger.
     
    Why my good chap?

    All the package tour taqiyya artists that frequent iSteve have repeatedly assured me the MQ is nothing to worry about!

    Replies: @Desiderius

    MQ = Minnesota Question.

    Only mostly kidding.

  145. @Clyde
    @Desiderius


    He’s not there yet. Once he can make a credible threat the balance of power changes. Looks like he’ll need to landslide Dopey Joe first.
     
    What's the over/under for when Uncle Joe is hustled-dropped into his waiting van, Hillary style? Fellow oldster Bernie is more intact.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    One of the reasons Globohomocorp picked him is the likelihood they can smuggle their preferred candidate in as a VP.

    • Replies: @res
    @Desiderius

    Sounds plausible. I wonder if they would be shameless enough to just have Biden resign after a couple of years.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  146. @Steve Sailer
    @captflee

    Fascinating.

    Some of the questions are probably there to see if you always answer the same way each time. So if they ask did you own a turtle as a child, you'd better think hard and not change your mind.

    James Thompson of Unz probably knows a lot about this.

    Replies: @captflee

    Thanks, Steve!

  147. @Adam Smith
    Police brutality is good for the economy.

    Police kill more than 1000 people each year, most of them are white.
    Police send about 55,000 people to the hospital each year.
    Police kill more than 500,000 dogs each year.

    This is great for the economy. All those ambulance rides, ER visits, trips to the morgue, funerals, bandages and caskets are a boost to the GDP.

    However the real money comes from the "Police Brutality Bonds". The use of bonds to pay for settlements and judgments greatly increases the burden of policing costs on taxpayers, while producing a profit for banks and investors. Using bonds to pay for settlements or judgments can nearly double the costs of the original settlement. All of this is paid for by taxpayers.

    In 2015, the Wall Street Journal published a story headlined “Cost of Police-Misconduct Soars in Big Cities." The story reported that the U.S. cities with the biggest police departments had collectively paid out more than $1.02 billion between 2010 and 2015 for settlements and judgments in cases involving violence committed by officers; $1.4 billion when the total includes cases involving incidents like officer-involved car crashes. The story explained that the costs of these settlements and judgments are almost entirely borne by taxpayers, not officers or their home police departments. But what the article did not mention is that by enabling loans to local cities and counties, Wall Street banks and wealthy investors are able to profit off the money municipalities spend to compensate victims of police violence.

    Los Angeles issued $71.4M in police settlement bonds from 2008-2017 and will pay $18m in interest.

    Since 2008, Milwaukee has authorized $26.1 million in borrowing to pay for police settlements and judgments. The taxpayers of Milwaukee will pay $3.7M in interest.

    Since 2008, Lake County, Indiana has issued over $18 million in Police Brutality Bonds and will pay $1.8M in interest.

    Chicago has borrowed $709M to pay for settlements including misconduct cases since 2010. This will cost taxpayers more than $1 billion in interest. (I had to re-check this number as it seemed astronomical. I have no idea why the interest paid by the taxpayers of Chicago is so much higher than average. My best guess is that the corruption in Chicago is to blame.)

    The small Pennsylvania city of Bethlehem settled a wrongful death lawsuit for $7.89 million in 2004. Its insurance paid for only $500,000, and the city issued $7.39 million in bonds to pay for the rest.

    The companies profiting from police brutality bonds include well known institutions like Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, and Bank of America, as well as smaller regional banks and other firms.

    This is a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to Wall Street and wealthy investors.

    Another huge part of the problem is that police departments all across America only hire low IQ people. Google the phrase "too smart to be a cop" to learn more. Departments want employees smart enough to follow orders but not smart enough to think about the rules they are enforcing. They have found that low IQ thugs are less likely to think about or read the constitution and case law and more likely to follow orders. They are a better fit for police culture and the Thin Blue Line. It is also well known that low IQ people tend to be more fearful. Low IQ fearful cops just following orders and the over-criminalization of victimless crimes are the perfect recipe for more police violence.

    As long as the investor class on Wall Street can profit from police brutality bonds, you can expect more police violence in cities all across the land and more profits for the bondholders.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Welcome to Clown World !

    All of these millions are pocket change next to police pension liabilities.

  148. @J.Ross
    @captflee

    >are you one of those idiots who keeps a poisonous snake in a Tupperware tub with holes punched in the lid, and will eventually get bit while feeding it?
    Say no more. I was ready to disapprove of this until I got to the word "owner." I agree that those guys shouldn't be cops.

    Replies: @captflee

    J. Ross;

    Lord only knows the pressures on gubmints to thread the needle with keeping the minority hire numbers up and somehow weeding out the unworthy.

    Never been much for the poikilothermous animals, myself. Did have a Pakistani gent down the street when I was a teen who was a PhD herpetologist at Duke, with a houseful of snakes from everywhere, poison and not, caged and not. As society went to hell in the sixties, even our suburban idyll felt the lash of crime when a miscreant broke into the good doctor’s house, apparently got spooked by one of the free serpents, and opted to leave via a sliding glass patio door without opening it, leaving a visible trail of blood back through the woods over to about where the Sedaris clan lived.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @captflee

    When my mother was growing up a house near that of her parents had alligators. These are huge picturesque houses from the early part of the twentieth century, they'd make perfect haunted houses. The guy was a biologist researching the alligators and kept them in the cavernous basement (see? spooky!). People found out about it and the city made him move them to the zoo because, while they actually were quite safely contained, when alligators rut, they bark, very loudly.
    There must be something to people who want to keep repulsive or non-petting pets, opposite to the cat lady or arrested development male who embraces soft fluffy things.

  149. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Over/Under on length of sentence? I put it at 5 years and I'm taking the under.

    Replies: @bomag, @MBlanc46

    Regardless of the sentence, I’d be surprised if he serves more than three.

  150. @Desiderius
    @Clyde

    One of the reasons Globohomocorp picked him is the likelihood they can smuggle their preferred candidate in as a VP.

    Replies: @res

    Sounds plausible. I wonder if they would be shameless enough to just have Biden resign after a couple of years.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    They’ve demonized any possible opposition to the extent that shame never enters into it. One year in he just decides he’s not up to the job. Wouldn’t even be controversial.

  151. @Buffalo Joe
    @Enemy of Earth

    Enemy, I call BS on the POC OB GYN. While nurses and techs often wear way too casual garb for a medical settling, doctors almost always wear their white jacket in hospitals.

    Replies: @Alden, @jim jones

    My experience is that Doctors love to hang a stethoscope around their neck as a mark of status

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @jim jones


    My experience is that Doctors love to hang a stethoscope around their neck as a mark of status
     
    What is your experience? The reason I ask is that nurse practitioners and registered nurses also wear stethoscopes as the tool is necessary to determine whether a patient has respiratory wheezing or abnormal abdominal sounds, so they are a pretty poor status symbol. You can either hang one round your neck, or squeeze it into a pocket, where it tends to fall out or get in the way of access to your pen, notebook, car keys, etc.
  152. TGGP says: • Website
    @bomag
    @TGGP


    juries usually seem way too forgiving of when cops royally screw up and needlessly kill people.
     
    Plenty of misbehavior gets overlooked. Prosecutors are reluctant to charge; police themselves don't self regulate all that well; the hierarchy has the usual sclerosis.

    BLM has a point; too bad it is so racialized with unsympathetic clients. They might have been better served to pick up this case; a total innocent shot by a known creep; then swing that into a look at police misbehavior in general; then down to their racial hobby horse.

    Replies: @Jack D, @David In TN, @Art Deco, @William Badwhite, @TGGP

    Right, the framing of Black Lives Matter takes a general problem with public policy and just focuses on a subset (albeit, a disproportionately represented one) of its victims. It’s practically calculated for producing partisan polarization, which isn’t necessarily what you want in order to achieve any reforms but is a good way to go viral in the social media era.

  153. @res
    @Desiderius

    Sounds plausible. I wonder if they would be shameless enough to just have Biden resign after a couple of years.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    They’ve demonized any possible opposition to the extent that shame never enters into it. One year in he just decides he’s not up to the job. Wouldn’t even be controversial.

  154. @anon
    Slightly off topic, but it's been a few years since we've had a major riot in an American city. We're overdue. I wonder what city will be next and what will touch it off?
    Hillary and BLM generated the riots in 2015 and 2016 in an incompetent ploy to garner votes. With elections coming up will Democrats play the riot card again? How else can they motivate the black base?

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    With elections coming up will Democrats play the riot card again? How else can they motivate the black base?

    Kamala will (supposedly) pose nude in Playboy, and imply that those who vote for her can spend a night with her airbrushed self in the Lincoln Bedroom. Mayor Pete will be her VP, and pretend to offer the same for the gay vote.

    It will not need to be true, as Obama already demonstrated, to win.

  155. @Jack D
    @ben tillman

    https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2013/pen/part-3/title-h/article-125/125.27/

    Nope. Even though there is no longer a death penalty, 1st degree murder remains on the books in NY.

    It is mostly defined as cop-killing plus a few other things. Basically it is EXTRA - EVIL murder - killing witnesses, being a contract killer, killing more than 1 person at a time, having previously been convicted of murder, etc.

    What in most other states is 1st degree murder (intentional homicide) is called 2nd degree murder in NY.

    NY also has something called "aggravated murder" which is ABOVE 1st degree murder (zeroeth degree murder?) which is also cop killing. This was added at a point where the legislature was responding to a NY Ct of Appeals decision that invalidated the death penalty for 1st degree murder but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn't actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were "tough on crime" because they passed this law and it's still on the books.

    So at this point, the difference between 0th, 1st and 2nd is the length of sentence:

    Second Degree Murder Minimum: 15 years to life, Maximum: 25 years to life
    First Degree Murder Minimum: 20 years to life, Maximum: Life without Parole
    Aggravated Murder Life Imprisonment without Parole

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn’t actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were “tough on crime” because they passed this law and it’s still on the books.

    I am fuzzy on why a police officer’s life is more valuable than, say, a brain surgeon, or, for that matter, a bus driver. Why do liberals deprecate the lives of normal, honest people in favor of murderers?

    Maybe you do not know. But you are a Philadelphia Lawyer. If you do not know, I will ascribe the worst motives to the ‘goodthinkers’. What do you think Jack?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I agree with you that the lives of cops should not be considered by the law to be more valuable than others - All Lives Matter! The answer to your question is that "Cop Killer Laws" are a cheap way for legislators to show their love for law enforcement - this must be an issue that polls well. It's just politics.

  156. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    Apparently the Russians feel the same way. Today's news is that Maduro was ready to go to the airport and jet off into exile but the Russians talked him out of it at the last minute. It's hard to mind your own business when your "friends" won't mind theirs.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Mr. Anon

    It’s hard to mind your own business when your “friends” won’t mind theirs.

    America has more “friends” than Eddie Coyle. I really don’t care what Russia’s relation to Venezuela is. If they want to prop up a failing, bankrupt socialist regime, I say “knock yourself out!” It didn’t do ’em a World of good in the case of Cuba. And – if we aren’t intervening militarily in Cuba, why the Hell should we in Venezuela? I really don’t trust our “government” when they tell us these things are necessary.

    Mike Pompeo is also just a “friend”, far as I’m concerned.

  157. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Why isn't that imaginary dialogue believable? Of course Putin's promises are worthless but why isn't it possible to believe that Putin made false promises to Maduro and Maduro is stupid enough to believe them? Maduro is not only a socialist but an idiot - it takes a special degree of stupidity to take an oil rich country and turn it into a poverty stricken hell hole.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @nebulafox

    It’s not as simple as that… Here’s a counterfactual. Indonesia went from being a massively, grindingly poor hell hole in the 60s, worse than Africa, to being a lower middle to middle class country within a quarter century, but the oil sector caused problems, not wealth: it was horrifically managed by the New Order and ending up retarding progress. The state oil company went bankrupt in the 70s and Suharto had to bail it out just after Indonesia got all its Sukarno era debt problems taken care of. This didn’t stop the economic growth, but it put a pretty big dent in it that only recovered in the early 80s. Oil is only useful when properly managed, or if you import people to do so for you. Indonesia didn’t have either option-the first for obvious development reasons, the second for political ones-and…

    Anyway, not going to argue that Maduro isn’t an idiot who could be easily played by someone like Putin. I don’t know much about the place, but I’ve talked to enough Venezuelans to know that. But really? Putin went to bat for Assad. We wouldn’t for Mubarak, an ally of 30 years. What good is a US word when we hate you? Gaddafi decided to give up his nukes after persuasion, we let him get sodomized. North Korea didn’t, and Kim now shakes hands with Trump and Putin alike.

    Third world dictators notice this kind of thing. If you don’t have strong historical reasons to distrust the Russians, why wouldn’t you trust that Putin will act more predictably than Washington these days? And even if you do have those historical reasons-Iran-your distrust for the US and what is going on here, with the media and the daily shenanigans on the Hill, to say nothing of globalism and cultural Bolahevism, might exceed that.

  158. This Somali Einstein was nothing but a diversity hire. Knowing he was a threat to human society didn’t matter because he was going to be a fine example of how intelligent the white society was by coddling another black that didn’t belong. The people that hired this unqualified black fool should be in prison right along side of him……

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @buckwheat

    Evidently no one's hired Betsy Hodges in the last 18 months, so she should have time on her hands to devote to being a criminal defendant. Her self-description is thus:

    "Speaker|Writer|Advisor: betsy at betsyhodgesdotorg Former Mayor of Mpls. Follow me for cuteness, stanning, recovery, and thoughts on whiteness. She/Her."

    No clue what 'stanning' is. Or what might be her 'thoughts' on 'she/Her'.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

  159. @Hibernian
    @Barnard

    Maybe Nordic affinity for rules outweighed Nordic soft hearted idealism. A good thing.

    Replies: @Barnard

    Six of the jurors were described as “people of color” in initial trial reports. I believe three were immigrants to the United States. I am guessing the Minnesota natives in the jury were strongly in the conviction camp, but knew they had to watch what they said to secure it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Barnard

    I've heard four were immigrants. The ratio of naturalized citizens to native citizens in Hennepin County, Mn. is about 0.08 but it was 0.5 on that jury. You sometimes get the idea that the random selection isn't.

  160. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    but the legislature still wanted a death penalty on the books for cop killing. That didn’t actually work (the last actual execution in NY took place in 1963, long before most current murderers were born) but upstate RINOs could campaign that they were “tough on crime” because they passed this law and it’s still on the books.
     
    I am fuzzy on why a police officer's life is more valuable than, say, a brain surgeon, or, for that matter, a bus driver. Why do liberals deprecate the lives of normal, honest people in favor of murderers?

    Maybe you do not know. But you are a Philadelphia Lawyer. If you do not know, I will ascribe the worst motives to the 'goodthinkers'. What do you think Jack?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I agree with you that the lives of cops should not be considered by the law to be more valuable than others – All Lives Matter! The answer to your question is that “Cop Killer Laws” are a cheap way for legislators to show their love for law enforcement – this must be an issue that polls well. It’s just politics.

  161. @buckwheat
    This Somali Einstein was nothing but a diversity hire. Knowing he was a threat to human society didn't matter because he was going to be a fine example of how intelligent the white society was by coddling another black that didn't belong. The people that hired this unqualified black fool should be in prison right along side of him......

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Evidently no one’s hired Betsy Hodges in the last 18 months, so she should have time on her hands to devote to being a criminal defendant. Her self-description is thus:

    “Speaker|Writer|Advisor: betsy at betsyhodgesdotorg Former Mayor of Mpls. Follow me for cuteness, stanning, recovery, and thoughts on whiteness. She/Her.”

    No clue what ‘stanning’ is. Or what might be her ‘thoughts’ on ‘she/Her’.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Art Deco

    Art,

    Not really sure about stanning; checked Urban Dictionary for help, but various meanings listed, and without more context, cannot tell if any are a match.

    On she/Her, maybe advising you of her "pronouns". Ya know, copping to the mental illness around us in this brave new world of gender fluidity, and letting us all know her deal?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    4chan's music board had the same question after Taylor von Swift tweeted to a friend something about girls stanning each other. Apparently it's like understanding, or standing by someone? There was a brilliant response, outraged that Taylor would condone the activities of Mister Stan, the Eminem caricature of an obsessed fan who murders himself and his family.

  162. @Art Deco
    @buckwheat

    Evidently no one's hired Betsy Hodges in the last 18 months, so she should have time on her hands to devote to being a criminal defendant. Her self-description is thus:

    "Speaker|Writer|Advisor: betsy at betsyhodgesdotorg Former Mayor of Mpls. Follow me for cuteness, stanning, recovery, and thoughts on whiteness. She/Her."

    No clue what 'stanning' is. Or what might be her 'thoughts' on 'she/Her'.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

    Art,

    Not really sure about stanning; checked Urban Dictionary for help, but various meanings listed, and without more context, cannot tell if any are a match.

    On she/Her, maybe advising you of her “pronouns”. Ya know, copping to the mental illness around us in this brave new world of gender fluidity, and letting us all know her deal?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Stalker + fan = stan.

    Women reach full maturity at 13-14. Putting them in charge results in about what one would expect.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

  163. @TomSchmidt
    @William Badwhite

    I wouldn't go Death Row, but a good, long prison sentence. One understands jumpy cops, but we do need to break that culture.

    I think it was pretty clear from the audio that he wasn't good cop material. I mean that in the sense of the cops whose authority didn't come from a gun or a badge but from the tone of their voice, asserting masculine authority and control over a situation. Brailsford was far too in love with his firearm, and completely unable to understand and accept submission. He's like the cop who shot Tamir Rice within 2 seconds of arriving on the scene. People without an "alpha" attitude( who simply KNOW they're superior and assert it [and get compliance from that]) should not be police: if your only authority comes out of the barrel of a gun, then pretty soon your bullets will be too.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Only a slight exaggeration on my part. Anything under about 20 years is a travesty, but life in prison (or execution) is deserved. As it was, this twitchy coward murdered an employed, non-criminal, husband and father of two in cold blood and received no punishment.

    I understand “jumpy” cops in certain circumstances, but Shaver was a middle-aged white guy that had been summoned from a hotel room and was complying or attempting to comply. You’d think that would lower their pulse rates a bit. Bear in mind they had nothing to go on other than one hotel guest saying they “might have” seen a gun. I’ve known a few cops over the years in both major cities and in sleepy suburbs – they get a lot of “might have seen” calls. Part of their job is assessing the situation upon arriving on the scene, rather than assuming that whatever the 911 caller told the 911 dispatcher they “thought they saw” is 100% true.

    It is beyond belief that after arriving at the hotel, seeing no disorderly conduct or any sort of conflict, and after seeing the two people arrested – a tipsy middle aged woman sobbing in terror and a bewildered middle-aged white guy who is clearly trying to comply with confusing instructions – that they continued with the whole SWAT team, faux military bullshit, ending in Brailsford murdering the guy. Not one of these cowards with their jump boots and “I’m trying to look like I’m in the special forces” costumes could have simply walked over and hand-cuffed him? I guess numerous other cops with rifles trained on the guy wasn’t enough protection for the brave public servants.

    It was a pathetic display of cowardice by the cops and a gross miscarriage of justice. As it is, if Shaver’s family wins their suit (or it is settled), the only people punished will be the citizens of Mesa.

    • Agree: 95Theses
  164. J.Ross says: • Website
    @captflee
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross;

    Lord only knows the pressures on gubmints to thread the needle with keeping the minority hire numbers up and somehow weeding out the unworthy.

    Never been much for the poikilothermous animals, myself. Did have a Pakistani gent down the street when I was a teen who was a PhD herpetologist at Duke, with a houseful of snakes from everywhere, poison and not, caged and not. As society went to hell in the sixties, even our suburban idyll felt the lash of crime when a miscreant broke into the good doctor's house, apparently got spooked by one of the free serpents, and opted to leave via a sliding glass patio door without opening it, leaving a visible trail of blood back through the woods over to about where the Sedaris clan lived.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    When my mother was growing up a house near that of her parents had alligators. These are huge picturesque houses from the early part of the twentieth century, they’d make perfect haunted houses. The guy was a biologist researching the alligators and kept them in the cavernous basement (see? spooky!). People found out about it and the city made him move them to the zoo because, while they actually were quite safely contained, when alligators rut, they bark, very loudly.
    There must be something to people who want to keep repulsive or non-petting pets, opposite to the cat lady or arrested development male who embraces soft fluffy things.

  165. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Art Deco
    @buckwheat

    Evidently no one's hired Betsy Hodges in the last 18 months, so she should have time on her hands to devote to being a criminal defendant. Her self-description is thus:

    "Speaker|Writer|Advisor: betsy at betsyhodgesdotorg Former Mayor of Mpls. Follow me for cuteness, stanning, recovery, and thoughts on whiteness. She/Her."

    No clue what 'stanning' is. Or what might be her 'thoughts' on 'she/Her'.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @J.Ross

    4chan’s music board had the same question after Taylor von Swift tweeted to a friend something about girls stanning each other. Apparently it’s like understanding, or standing by someone? There was a brilliant response, outraged that Taylor would condone the activities of Mister Stan, the Eminem caricature of an obsessed fan who murders himself and his family.

  166. @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Art Deco

    Art,

    Not really sure about stanning; checked Urban Dictionary for help, but various meanings listed, and without more context, cannot tell if any are a match.

    On she/Her, maybe advising you of her "pronouns". Ya know, copping to the mental illness around us in this brave new world of gender fluidity, and letting us all know her deal?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Stalker + fan = stan.

    Women reach full maturity at 13-14. Putting them in charge results in about what one would expect.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Desiderius

    Desiderius,

    Yes that was the leading definition listed, but in The Current Year, who the hell knows if any of the other definitions might apply instead?

    And isn't it a social commentary in its own right that such dysfunctional behaviors now have words descriptive of them that have established a presence in the common parlance?

  167. @Barnard
    @Hibernian

    Six of the jurors were described as "people of color" in initial trial reports. I believe three were immigrants to the United States. I am guessing the Minnesota natives in the jury were strongly in the conviction camp, but knew they had to watch what they said to secure it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I’ve heard four were immigrants. The ratio of naturalized citizens to native citizens in Hennepin County, Mn. is about 0.08 but it was 0.5 on that jury. You sometimes get the idea that the random selection isn’t.

  168. @Desiderius
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Stalker + fan = stan.

    Women reach full maturity at 13-14. Putting them in charge results in about what one would expect.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Desiderius,

    Yes that was the leading definition listed, but in The Current Year, who the hell knows if any of the other definitions might apply instead?

    And isn’t it a social commentary in its own right that such dysfunctional behaviors now have words descriptive of them that have established a presence in the common parlance?

  169. @jim jones
    @Buffalo Joe

    My experience is that Doctors love to hang a stethoscope around their neck as a mark of status

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    My experience is that Doctors love to hang a stethoscope around their neck as a mark of status

    What is your experience? The reason I ask is that nurse practitioners and registered nurses also wear stethoscopes as the tool is necessary to determine whether a patient has respiratory wheezing or abnormal abdominal sounds, so they are a pretty poor status symbol. You can either hang one round your neck, or squeeze it into a pocket, where it tends to fall out or get in the way of access to your pen, notebook, car keys, etc.

  170. @bomag
    @Endgame Napoleon

    It's as you say; the prodigal son parable writ large; saving a lost soul is so much more rewarding than maintaining one that has always been there.

    I caught an NPR show with Chris Hedges gushing over an education program in prisons: the prisoners were just so smart, so hard working, learning so much, so innocent! I'm sure he wants them to marry his daughter.

    As a counter to this, papers will regularly run a human interest story about a local quietly doing good. If my local effort is any example, this doesn't help anymore, as most stories are now about an illegal alien with five kids suffering at the hands of ICE; or a cat lady who personally travels to Honduras to pass out info on how to come get the gibs in the US.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s so, so rewarding to think you’re ‘saving’ the Sacred Other.

    It’s so, so boring, and difficult, to love your actual neighbor.

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