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Here’s another Retconned Rockwell, of which Hernan Cortes aptly notes: “Reimagined Norman Rockwells are unintentionally hilarious Frankenstein’s monsters of kitsch and sanctimony:”

Culturally appropriating old Rockwells in the name of Diversity is obviously tasteless and lowbrow, but it’s Big in 2018.

So far, I haven’t seen any recasting of pictures by Rockwell’s predecessor as top American magazine illustrator, the astonishing and super gay J.C. Leyendecker:

Until recently, trends involving art started among urbane sophisticates who get the joke, the kind who are more into Leyendecker than Rockwell, and only slowly worked their ways down to the Norman Rockwell-loving masses.

But these days, the New York media appear to be getting led around by the nose on Twitter by community college grievance study majors and Harry Potter fans who think the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color and transgenders and Rockwell’s problematic painting of non-vegan food for Thanksgiving dinner.

It’s kind of like if the cutting edge attitude were that the aesthetic weakness of Dogs Playing Poker is the insufficient representation of mongrels, bitches, and cats.

Wokeness is a notably lower IQ movement relative to, say, 1960s leftist movements.

For example, using the term “microaggression” is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.

 
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  1. The white baby in the first picture looks scared. Is he on the menu?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Swift did suggest several recipes to try.
  2. Wokeness is a notably lower IQ movement relative to, say, 1960s leftist movements.

    Let’s just say relative to 1960’s leftists before the drugs. It got pretty stupid after that, but at least they didn’t expect us to understand and agree with them during their acid trips.

    BTW, I really thought that Normal Rockwell retrofitting was a joke. I mean, I think it’s a joke, but I’d though till now that that was because people were actually joking.

  3. I think Michelangelo’s “Creation of Adam”, the centerpiece of the Sistine chapel masterpiece, has been appropriated by more artists, ad agencies and editorial cartoonists than any other work of art.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    The best version was on the "Animaniacs" cartoon show of the 90s.
  4. Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.

    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven’t done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I’m understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I’m wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    • Troll: IHTG, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard...'

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?
    , @El Dato
    That only makes sense if the goal is "Admission to Harvard" instead of, you known, learning something.

    Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy.
     
    Whatever you label it, it should be nobody's problem.
    , @Kyle
    If 10 to 15% of students were not legacy admissions would Harvard remain Harvard? Why don’t you start your own school and only admit students based on placement tests. You could call it “MIT.” Harvard has done a great job branding itself as “the most Elite high academic institution.” Harvard has built that reputation for itself, on its own terms. In my opinion the admissions department is doing it’s job well. If Harvard wasn’t Harvard would you be demanding acceptance into it in the first place?
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    "I haven’t done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply." ~ Tiny Duck

    Exactly.

    Oh, and, uh . . . happy Oppressed Turkey Day, y'all. };^D
    , @Pat Boyle
    All of the reactions to the Harvard Affirmative Action situation are too weak. Harvard the University should be closed down. They could then create a Harvard web site that could run YouTube style courses and a set of exit tests. Higher education- lower costs.

    This would be a reasonable penalty for their years of unconscionable racial preferences. After an audited review of their expenses for the deconstruction they should give their remaining funds to the taxpayers.
  5. Hmm. Severed heads pasted into a Norman Rockwell painting. The left not only embraces the macabre, but insists on its propagation. Equality is nothing if it doesn’t mean that you suffer more than NPC pets the Left has adopted.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Hmm. Severed heads pasted into a Norman Rockwell painting. The left not only embraces the macabre, but insists on its propagation. Equality is nothing if it doesn’t mean that you suffer more than NPC pets the Left has adopted.
     
    This is something I've noted since I was a young man.

    Everything the left does promotes …. ugliness.

    There is sublime beauty in traditional organic arrangements--man, woman, child; our literature, traditions, religion, culture; masculinity/femininity; family. Maybe a bunch of it is "middlebrow" or even cloying, but it's there.

    But everything the left pushes forward and makes us genuflect to--homos, trannies, lesbians, bureaucracy, crappy "literature", obscenity, piercings and ugly anti-feminine styles, miscegenation propaganda, anachronistic minorities, tedious language, bullying speech codes, Somalis … on and on and on. A parade of ugliness.
  6. the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”

    So brave!

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/1412277566_ellen-pompeo-chris-ivery-zoom.jpg

    https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ellen-pompeo-family-kids-daughter-stella-luna-ivery.jpg
    , @Colin Wright
    '...“I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said...'

    Nu? So move to the town I live in. I saw a black yesterday, but none today.
    , @fish

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.
     
    So not only is Ellen Pompeo cursed by looking like Hillary Clinton she's also cursed with mouthing the same platitudes!


    /facepalm.
    , @Forbes
    There's something to be said for not knowing who TF are Ellen Pompeo, Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts, and Gina Rodriquez--and I don't care. But they are funny--and like much of the prog-left, completely lacking in self-awareness.

    These self-important twits demonstrate it every time they open up and mouth off with "make sure your crew looks like the world we see," as if people are just different colored widgets to be hired and fired (moved around) at will.

    Even chess pieces on a game board have different and distinguishing capabilities.
    , @BB753
    You want color? Why not shoot in Nigeria? They have a booming film industry. Or Bombay.
    , @MB
    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    OK it's been said before, but again the 64$ question is when are these stupid lamebrain hypocrites going to stop redlining the irony meter?

    As in 'yo, Snow White, taken any selfies lately'?
    Till then, shut up while you clean out your desk and scoot.
    , @Anonymous
    Yesterday Ellen Pompeo just downloaded the Build 11-2018 Vibrant Season patch for her NPC manners firmware. It's better to sign up to be a beta tester so you don't miss the bandwagon.
  7. Anonymous [AKA "Cole Berner"] says:

    A shame yall can’t appreciate the superior beauty of the African form.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  8. I think that “The Creation of Adam”, the centerpiece of Michelangelo’s Sistine chapel masterpiece, has been appropriated by more editorial cartoonists, ad agencies and satirists than any other work of art. A quick search of “The Creation of Adams” in ads brings up dozen of examples. The remaking of Rockwell’s paintings is lame.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If you rip out the midcentury middle American context, there's nothing happening in a Rockwell painting.
  9. All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker…..but rather indifferent to Rockwell….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Classic commercial:

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    https://youtu.be/DIIU2JvoMX4?t=12
    , @Tyrion 2
    What's a conservative study group?
    , @ACommenter
    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn't though.
    , @Marat
    German Expressionist Max Beckmann has a similar (earlier 1920s) version of a couple at the opera - except there's a balcony instead of staircase. Unfortunately I cannot find an image of it. But the point is that "Cuffs and ruffs" starkly illuminated in the dark is in common with the Dutch Masters Rembrandt and Hals for example. Beckmann's self-portrait kind of conveys his style (not commercially viable like Leyendecker, but similar nonetheless):

    http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-modern/beckmann-self.jpg

    And Caravaggio developed his own spin on lighting technique that still has influence:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Adam_de_Coster_-_A_Man_Singing_by_Candlelight.jpg

    Who does the roughly contemporaneous beach scene better? Beckmann ("degenerate") or Japonaise/pre-Raphaelite influenced James McNeil Whistler? Your call.

    http://omeka.wustl.edu/omeka/files/fullsize/a829560ef63bd10507237dd0ebf17492.jpg

    http://www.denisemtaylor.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/variations-in-blue-and-green-600x458.jpg


    Perhaps an SJW screeching "cultural appropriation" is actually their "Eureka!!" moment! Borrowing and building is what art is, for crying out loud!

  10. Worth noting that Rockwell was a great admirer of Leyendecker’s work:

    In many ways, the man whose name is considered to be synonymous with American illustration – Norman Rockwell – modeled himself on a now lesser-known artist, but one of his self proclaimed idols, J.C. Leyendecker.

    One of the most prolific and sought-after artists of the Golden Age of American illustration, J.C. Leyendecker captivated the public with his striking, fashionable depictions of handsome men and glamorous women. With his instantly identifiable style – “The Leyendecker Look” – he helped shape the face of a nation, created dozens of enduring icons, and virtually invented the concept of branding in advertising.

    In 1960, Rockwell included a chapter on Leyendecker in his biography, My Adventures as an Illustrator. In that chapter, entitled ‘The Mansion on Mount Tom Road,’ Rockwell admitted to having followed Leyendecker around New Rochelle, New York, emulating Leyendecker’s swagger, or limp as it were, and “attitude.” In the 1920’s, the American public overwhelmingly considered Leyendecker to be “the best illustrator.” As a budding young artist with high hopes of rising to that same exalted plateau – the preeminent Saturday Evening Post cover artist – Rockwell was utterly consumed by Leyendecker and his unique art.

    http://www.americanillustrators.com/travel/norman-rockwell-and-his-mentor-j-c-leyendecker/

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Rockwell used a Balopticon projector to trace photographed images. Leyendecker disapproved.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ongO5Y_Y28
  11. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Ivery and ivory
    live together in perfect harmony
    side by side in my
    People magazine
    so why can't we?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    To be fair to her, she's rooting for her children in a sense. She's switched tribes and is rooting for 'her lot'.

    But will she demand that the people who look after her investments (she earns $20m a year) 'look like America'?

    Grey's Anatomy creator/writer Shonda Rhimes, an impressive character, seems to be a bit of a sister-figure. She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

    , @Mr. Rational
    Pompeo autobiography:  "How to have a family who looks nothing like you and will piss on your memory after you're gone."
    , @roo_ster
    Her kiddos lost any beuaty she had in their iteration. So sad. The father is handsome for a black man, but that is lost on girl children.
  12. @Buffalo Joe
    I think Michelangelo's "Creation of Adam", the centerpiece of the Sistine chapel masterpiece, has been appropriated by more artists, ad agencies and editorial cartoonists than any other work of art.

    WOKE AF

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Where's a Burqa when you need one?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK_YpGm1Fj4
    , @Dan Hayes
    Syonredux:

    I believe that this reinterpretive work in the Sistine Chapel has been commissioned by Pope Francis.
    , @Corvinus
    Walt Whitman was wise.

    http://www.graphicwitness.org/ineye/winter31.htm
    , @PennTothal
    Brenda Snipes poses as God for woke paintings - when she's not busy "finding" provisional ballots...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/19/brenda-snipes-resigns/2056685002/
    , @Bugg
    All I can think about when i see this is that woman babbling about her she shed.
    , @Pericles
    Retitled: Chain Migration.
  13. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    Where’s a Burqa when you need one?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • LOL: Dtbb
  14. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  15. @syonredux
    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/1412277566_ellen-pompeo-chris-ivery-zoom.jpg

    https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ellen-pompeo-family-kids-daughter-stella-luna-ivery.jpg

    Ivery and ivory
    live together in perfect harmony
    side by side in my
    People magazine
    so why can’t we?

  16. So far, I haven’t seen any recasting of pictures by Rockwell’s predecessor as top American magazine illustrator, the astonishing and super gay J.C. Leyendecker:

    Tom of Vinland.

  17. We will replace you

    Gavin McInnes has disavowed the proud boys after they were named a terrorist group

    More and more white girls are having Children of Color

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @fish
    Ohs Tinys...

    "We will replace you"


    Dat'n be teh other borthas sed whenI was dun wit yo pucker. and den deys did replac Lensporb behinds you.


    Lendchurb "teh sharer" plitzen
  18. Gosh, is that raw celery?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Need Hennessy on the table or it didn't happen.
  19. One microaggression equals one billion femtoaggressions so you know it has to be serious. Indeed, Achilles Paradox proves that Blacks can never outrun institutional racism.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  20. @Buffalo Joe
    I think that "The Creation of Adam", the centerpiece of Michelangelo's Sistine chapel masterpiece, has been appropriated by more editorial cartoonists, ad agencies and satirists than any other work of art. A quick search of "The Creation of Adams" in ads brings up dozen of examples. The remaking of Rockwell's paintings is lame.

    If you rip out the midcentury middle American context, there’s nothing happening in a Rockwell painting.

    • Replies: @carol
    It's like one of those dreadfully boring, old, white suburbs of London 60 years ago.

    Quite nice, actually.
  21. We want Buckwheat.

    PS. I don’t see any meat on the table except the white baby…. yikes!

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

  22. In the interest of diversity, and to keep up with the times, we are considering replacing our pink, plastic flamingos with one of these:

    • LOL: Kylie, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Bubba
    You're right Buzz and I will update my pink flamingoes with this modern diversity piece:

    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfae/files/styles/x_large/public/201510/sleeping_mexican.jpg
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, the original cast iron lawn jockeys used to bring some big bucks at the flea market, now most get a white washing. There is a line of LJs in Saratoga Springs, one for each of the Stakes Race winner.
    , @Forbes
    I grew up with a host of suburban (post-war) housing developments filled with lawn jockeys holding a lantern to light the way up the front steps from the (lower) driveway to the (mid-level) front door of a split-level house.

    Never gave it a thought it was to be considered racist as they were jockeys. The '70s brought whitewashing or replacement.
    , @Pat Boyle
    My uncle Gerald used to have one of these on his front lawn in South East Washington DC.At that time it was a white area. When the Martin Luther King riots came his very young daughter went out front and painted the face and hands white.
  23. it’s surprising a guy like steve doesn’t get it.

    1. the woke are mere dupes of the ruling elite.

    2. identity politics is a substitute for class consciousness and anti-left. when the problem is “racism”, “sexism”, “homophobia”, etc. then the problem isn’t inequality. and because the various groups are NOT the same, differences can never be eliminated and thus identity politics is a permanent substitute for the authentic left. reagan, thatcher, clinton, blair…they’re all the same person.

    3. what you call the left is NOT left. it’s just a means of confusing the woke and those like you steve. it’s divide and conquer. you’re playing the game they want you to play steve.

    4. the same UN which LIES about the reduction in global poverty in order to promote “free market” reforms and globalization also pressures countries to enact “hate speech” laws.

    i’m surprised you didn’t get the memo from peter thiel, eric weinstein, noam chomsky, slavoj zizek, jimmy dore, and chris hedges. the ruling elite is incompetent and evil, not stupid.

    steve erwache!

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    it’s surprising a guy like steve doesn’t get it.

    It's surprising that you don't get that Steve gets it. But then, I see by your commenting history that you're new here.
  24. J C Leyendecker: Haven Monahan’s official portrait artist

  25. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    Syonredux:

    I believe that this reinterpretive work in the Sistine Chapel has been commissioned by Pope Francis.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Dan, That is too funny, but maybe in the works for our most woke pope ever.
  26. Let’s not leave out trans-species dogs who identify as human.

    • LOL: Bubba
  27. “Culturally appropriating old Rockwells in the name of Diversity is obviously tasteless and lowbrow…”

    To you and other people, sure. If that makes you feel better.

    Just a friendly reminder –> “‘[Rockwell” was really struck by those ideals,’ explained Plunkett, ‘and he wanted to find a way to convey them to a public he knew would have a hard time—as he did—grappling with big questions, like: ‘What are we really deciding to protect?’ ‘What does freedom really look like?’ His feeling that art can have an impact beyond entertainment came to him at that time.’…“Rockwell was emboldened, but it wasn’t until 1963, when he left the Post and started working with the liberal publication Look magazine, that he began to address more controversial issues—namely, his support of civil rights.”

    Because there is not any “act of taking or using things from a culture that is not your own, especially without showing that you understand or respect this”, which is the essence of cultural appropriation*. His work represented the human spirit as an American, which we can all appreciate. Well, maybe not some people…

    *Not a fan of this term, either. But that’s Coalition of the Fringe rhetoric, as you are quite familiar with yourself.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, You write well and state your point in everyone of your comments, but, if Rockwell was suddenly woke in 1963 after he left the Post, he should have manned up and left on principal before then. Have a nice Thanksgiving.
  28. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    There was some nice Leyendecker stuff at the museum in Stockton, CA, often considered one of the most depressing and ghetto cities in America.

    It was a good little museum overall, also had some solid bouguereaus (the painter so good those he bettered decided that good painting was STUPID anyway) and a section dedicated to the Stockton shipbuilding industry which had to be outsourced for, you know, (((reasons))) of economic progress or whatever, thus destroying Stockton.

    And since it was Stockton, my friend and I were literally the only visitors on a Saturday afternoon. Had some nice chats with the old, white volunteers who I guess couldn’t be bothered to flee their hometown.

    209, mother*******!

  29. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg
    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @syonredux
    Pope was the better poet.....and he prophesied our current plight.....


    In vain, in vain—the all-composing hour
    Resistless falls; the Muse obeys the power.
    She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
    Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old! 630
    Before her Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
    And all its varying rainbows die away.
    Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
    The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
    As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain, 635
    The sick’ning stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
    As Argus’ eyes, by Hermes’ wand opprest,
    Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
    Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
    Art after Art goes out, and all is night. 640
    See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
    Mountains of casuistry heap’d o’er her head!
    Philosophy, that lean’d on Heaven before,
    Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
    Physic of Metaphysic begs defence, 645
    And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!
    See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
    In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
    Religion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,
    And unawares Morality expires. 650


    Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
    Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
    Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restor’d;
    Light dies before thy uncreating word:
    Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; 655
    And universal Darkness buries all.

    The Dunciad
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    And a better artist than any of his current SJW fans, sadly.
  30. “For example, using the term “microaggression” is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.”

    Or race realism, for that matter.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000

    [quoting Sailer:] “For example, using the term 'microaggression' is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.”

    [Corvinus:] Or race realism, for that matter.
     
    Because, like "microaggression," "race realism" is a widespread Thing in mainstream culture. Just as bleating about microaggression wins sympathy, accolades, and prizes, so too does Noticing ancestry-related average performance differences lead to shaming, doxxing, and firing.

    Corvinus often offers ideas after the fashion of Ezra Klein and Matty Glesias, and I think s/he's a sincere cntrl-Left partisan. Then a dumb post serves to remind that this is well-oiled alt-right trollery.

    A classy troll is still a troll.
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    Steve, please change username “Corvinus” to “Bizarro No.1.” :P
  31. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the interest of diversity, and to keep up with the times, we are considering replacing our pink, plastic flamingos with one of these:

    http://betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lawnjockey.jpg

    You’re right Buzz and I will update my pink flamingoes with this modern diversity piece:

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Cultural misappropriation!

    Judging from the pink, callus-free, nail-trimmed feet, and the red facial hair, that statue is a Norwegian caricature dressed to look like a Mexican stereotype.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Milton Seltzer in a sombrero.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Kinky Friedman on Jesus's last message to the Mexicans:

    "Don't do anything till I get back."
  32. @Corvinus
    Walt Whitman was wise.

    http://www.graphicwitness.org/ineye/winter31.htm

    Pope was the better poet…..and he prophesied our current plight…..

    In vain, in vain—the all-composing hour
    Resistless falls; the Muse obeys the power.
    She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
    Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old! 630
    Before her Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
    And all its varying rainbows die away.
    Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
    The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
    As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain, 635
    The sick’ning stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
    As Argus’ eyes, by Hermes’ wand opprest,
    Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
    Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
    Art after Art goes out, and all is night. 640
    See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
    Mountains of casuistry heap’d o’er her head!
    Philosophy, that lean’d on Heaven before,
    Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
    Physic of Metaphysic begs defence, 645
    And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!
    See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
    In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
    Religion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,
    And unawares Morality expires. 650

    Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
    Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
    Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restor’d;
    Light dies before thy uncreating word:
    Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; 655
    And universal Darkness buries all.

    The Dunciad

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @donut
    And yet ...
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    I do prefer Whitman's writing, but Pope was clearly more prescient politically. Of course, Whitman's poem sounds good at face value. But he was a bit biased for racial equality, he dug black muscles (lol)... and by the same token, I doubt he expected them to be replaced by Honduran ones...
  33. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker.....but rather indifferent to Rockwell....

    http://www.scottmcd.net/artanalysis/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Leyendecker-Arrow.jpg

    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland’s drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it’s even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell’s hyperrealism.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.
     
    Well, yes. His figures are highly stylized. That's part of their appeal.

    This is in contrast to Rockwell’s hyperrealism.
     
    Rockwell's style is more realism plus cuteness.


    Speaking of stylized figures, I've always rather liked Tamara de Lempicka's work:


    http://infinitedictionary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Lempicka-3.jpg


    https://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2017/03/01/201703010908-full.jpg


    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aPpyyYy-OT4/VablbyCqSNI/AAAAAAAAKu4/MgVn9zS0wuk/s640/tamara-de-lempicka-a-la-pinacotheque_670_force.jpg
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Anon, any opinions on Alex Katz ? (#146)
    , @Kyle
    What’s wrong with a pretty man? Especially if that man is tall with oversized features such as long limbs and large hands.
    I disagree with you. In my opinion the arrow collar man is a fine example of a man.
    , @Wilkey
    Leyendecker's men look beautiful, and his women look like men. His Wiki bio says his sexuality was an 'open question.' Doesn't seem like a very open question to me. What red-blooded man given a talent for art and a preference for human subjects isn't going to want to illustrate some beautiful women? The kind who prefers the company of men, that's who.

    His work is extraordinary, though. His art may have some "homo-erotic" elements about it, but it's no more wrong to glorify and idealize the male body than it is the female body. It's interesting that his work, by today's standards, seems so conservative. How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome? None that I know of.

    I'm fine with gay liberation and all, but one of its downsides is that gay artists, feeling no need to hide their sexuality, have become more political and more narcissistic. Though I guess that's true of artists in general. America today could use more Leyendeckers.
    , @Anonymous
    Someone once told me something similar about Dante Gabriel Rossetti: that his young women look alarmingly like young men in drag.

    Once seen it can't be unseen.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces …
     
    Anon, your visual assessments of Leyendecker’s figures—both male and female—don’t hold up, beyond the obvious fact that the figures are stylized to some extent. First off, the men: You seem to be equating good looks, hale health, and grooming with feminine beauty. There is nothing feminine (nor effeminate) about his male subjects—most have square, angular faces and many seem to have a dangerous brutish capability in reserve, tempered by their civilized comportment and accoutrements. Except for Leyendecker’s intentionally comedic illustrations, the men generally appear of serious character rather than being frivolous or mere ‘pretty’ ciphers.

    Your comment about the staircase couple is blind—the woman is clearly feminine in both face and figure, sensuously so—half orgasmic even, her gracile visage melting slightly in dreamy reaction to something off frame. The man, by contrast, coolly observes the same scene, standing straight rather than languidly descending, his square jaw closed in nonchalant assessment. If an SJW wanted to convince people that there is no compelling (and complementary) difference between the sexes, this picture sure ain’t it.
    , @Pericles

    Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.

     

    Take a look at Josef Newgarden (the indycar driver).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/JN_HEADSHOT_APPROVED.jpg/440px-JN_HEADSHOT_APPROVED.jpg

    Is that ... Haven Monahan?
  34. Anonymous [AKA "Senor del Noticero"] says:

    Leyendecker is experiencing a revitalization in odd places. Shows up in the emergent tranny hypno porn genre, which dovetails into the observation that many m2f trannies are intelligent, eccentric dudes.

  35. Leyendecker is my all-time favorite. Some of his Thanksgiving illustrations:

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Leyendecker’s trademark parallel brush strokes technique was lovingly imitated by the great Rick Griffin:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T_pwKfo5X1Q/TNXt4BthJkI/AAAAAAAABZA/vxgJmEXUTrM/s1600/Hosanna.jpg
  36. What is she serving them? Aren’t they worthy of at least a turkey?

    • Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    Tofurkey.
    Yep.

    In yet another aspect of modern life that would make the Fuhrer cry, the animal rights and veggie-eating fanatics are also almost universally left-wing.

    I'd go further and argue that vegetables aren't optimal for health; as Sailer discovered in another article, Suzanne Sommers and Dr Atkins are being inreasingly proven right by scientific studies, and low carb diets are showing improvements for many. Animal fats and protein are easier to digest by themselves, and help keep sugar levels down, which is good for livers, arteries, colons, teeth, skin, body weight (digesting fat and not carbs reduces body fat and extra water weight), and even brains (which is mostly cholesterol and fat, lest we forget). Also, environmental studies show that animal agriculture is at most 5-10% causal of climate change (if it does exist), and that reclaiming pasture land is relatively better for the ecosystem than massive monocrop fields where machinery kills all small animals (of course, pasture being good and all as long as enough forest cover in other areas remain). Not to mention, the cattle and meat-processing industries employ more people, and historically has employed the working class whites this blog loves. They might not be trying to replace them with Hispanics if sales picked up... True, meat is pricier, but it is more filling (maybe eating 1-2 meals a day), so the cost kind of evens out over time; also, health can get quite better, therefore less meds and doctor visits. Meanwhile it is common for vegans to attempt more than 3 meals a day full of diverse exotic grains and veggies, and still feel hungry and lacking in vitamins that can't be as easily absorbed, even when supplementing iron and B12...

    Even furthermore (and going into conspiracy preacher mode, but bear with me), I see the vegan treehugger wing of the left brewing a full-scale movement to replace animal food, which will invariably be a govcorp powergrab, between the few but rich agribusiness farmers, the tech elite that wants to sell artificial lab meat, the doctors and big pharma that want to keep you on statins and heart surgeries, and the gov bureaucrats that want cheap carb-full food for school lunches to pacify and mold the youth according to their wishes... the Rockwell reimagining this post mocks is proof of concept of that leftwing utopian fantasy I just described.

    Obviously there's much more to lowcarb diets. Talk to your doctor and all that, go slowly, check your health and conditions before trying... but I recommend looking into the subject if interested. Not just the Petersons and testimonials of youtubers, but also scientists such as @paleomedicina on twitter. It's certainly interesting, at the very least.

    Or, if this is sounds like too much diet propagandizing, I'd invite you all to look into vegan activism, and notice both its virulent anarcholeftism (to the point they use the logo in reverse, a la V for Vendetta... yet again) and enormous amounts of trollvangelizing online, putting most keyboard warriors of any stripe to shame. Go start a discussion with one on twitter, it might last days and you will get jumped by 5 at least (and yes, many Peta goreporn vids and debunkable studies and factoids will be hurled your way).
  37. 2635190

    I prefer a 900 + ft. ship with a massive diesel engine but to each his own .

  38. I found the original –

    It also has uncut celery on the table.

  39. And now for something completely different :

    For white men and American Negros .

  40. So a bunch of random people with no relation to each other photoshopped into a painting with something disgusting replacing a turkey and I’m supposed to think that’s a nifty improvement over the original?

    This stuff would turn Hubert Humphrey into a Klan Wizard.

    Re Pimpeo. More evidence that White women are the mortal enemy of the average White man.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @donut
    LBJ said that HH talked at 80 to 90 MPH with gusts of up to 120 .
  41. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.

    Well, yes. His figures are highly stylized. That’s part of their appeal.

    This is in contrast to Rockwell’s hyperrealism.

    Rockwell’s style is more realism plus cuteness.

    Speaking of stylized figures, I’ve always rather liked Tamara de Lempicka’s work:

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I understand that they're stylized. Tom of Finland is stylized as well. That's my point. The issue is just how and what aspects of his subjects are stylized.
    , @duncsbaby
    Looking at Leyendecker's work I was reminded of the same artist but I couldn't remember his/her name. Thanks, the middle painting is gorgeous.

    I will say this about Leyendecker, his artistry was authentic and admirable but he couldn't really conjure up beautiful, feminine women. All his women were for the most part "handsome," attractive but not desirable. Not in a hetereo way at least. The Wikipedia article falls just short of saying whether Leyendecker was gay or not, which in a way is sort of admirable, I mean of course he almost certainly was but how do we know for sure?

  42. OT: Our host and any other Steves out there will especially find the names of the protagonists amusing:

    Stephon Clark’s brother to run for Sacramento mayor

    SACRAMENTO (KRON) – Stevante Clark wants to make a change after his brother was fatally shot by police earlier this year.

    The 25-year-old is now running for mayor of Sacramento and says he’s focused on making his hometown more safe.

    His brother, Stephon Clark, was shot to death by Sacramento police while unarmed in his grandmother’s backyard.

    The March killing ignited intense protests in Sacramento and across the country.

    Some have questioned Stevante’s mental stability. His reaction was a very public grappling with grief after Clark has a second brother killed.

    More:

    https://www.kron4.com/news/california/stephon-clark-s-brother-to-run-for-sacramento-mayor/1611594471

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Stevante" is a rare novel first name that is also euphonious. I like it.
    , @ScarletNumber

    [Stevante]’s focused on making his hometown more safe.
     
    I would argue that the death of his brother has made Sacramento more safe.

    I find it odd that the same family would have brothers named Stevante and Stephon.
  43. @Ripple Earthdevil
    OT: Our host and any other Steves out there will especially find the names of the protagonists amusing:

    Stephon Clark's brother to run for Sacramento mayor

    SACRAMENTO (KRON) - Stevante Clark wants to make a change after his brother was fatally shot by police earlier this year.

    The 25-year-old is now running for mayor of Sacramento and says he’s focused on making his hometown more safe.

    His brother, Stephon Clark, was shot to death by Sacramento police while unarmed in his grandmother’s backyard.

    The March killing ignited intense protests in Sacramento and across the country.

    Some have questioned Stevante’s mental stability. His reaction was a very public grappling with grief after Clark has a second brother killed.

    More:

    https://www.kron4.com/news/california/stephon-clark-s-brother-to-run-for-sacramento-mayor/1611594471

    “Stevante” is a rare novel first name that is also euphonious. I like it.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    urbane sophisticates who get the joke
     
    From one urbane sophisticate to another: Cheers. :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68

    http://oddculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/natty-light-party.jpg
  44. Some times when I’m playing RO2 with my English misfit friend of 13 years I sing this song in TS , just repeating the chorus over and over in the most annoying way and it drives him crazy . I love it when he starts to curse and threaten to kick me from his friends list . Really it’s the little things that mean so much .

    OK and so let me annoy you in the same way .

    Good riddance . Every trace of that bitch hurt .

    Well I like the old songs the most . You feel me ?

  45. I hope they do Thomas Kinkade next. No artist is crying out more for a strong dose of vibrant diversity.

  46. @Steve Sailer
    "Stevante" is a rare novel first name that is also euphonious. I like it.

    urbane sophisticates who get the joke

    From one urbane sophisticate to another: Cheers. 🙂

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  47. @Whiskey
    So a bunch of random people with no relation to each other photoshopped into a painting with something disgusting replacing a turkey and I'm supposed to think that's a nifty improvement over the original?

    This stuff would turn Hubert Humphrey into a Klan Wizard.

    Re Pimpeo. More evidence that White women are the mortal enemy of the average White man.

    LBJ said that HH talked at 80 to 90 MPH with gusts of up to 120 .

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    So THAT'S where Jim Bede got that quip.
  48. @syonredux

    This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.
     
    Well, yes. His figures are highly stylized. That's part of their appeal.

    This is in contrast to Rockwell’s hyperrealism.
     
    Rockwell's style is more realism plus cuteness.


    Speaking of stylized figures, I've always rather liked Tamara de Lempicka's work:


    http://infinitedictionary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Lempicka-3.jpg


    https://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2017/03/01/201703010908-full.jpg


    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aPpyyYy-OT4/VablbyCqSNI/AAAAAAAAKu4/MgVn9zS0wuk/s640/tamara-de-lempicka-a-la-pinacotheque_670_force.jpg

    I understand that they’re stylized. Tom of Finland is stylized as well. That’s my point. The issue is just how and what aspects of his subjects are stylized.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I understand that they’re stylized.
     
    Good. Another hyper-stylized painter that I've always liked is El Greco:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QTPZtyMrLT0/TXlmjmXK_5I/AAAAAAAACoA/xT6yO_AJ1iQ/s1600/greco3.jpg

    https://www.eternels-eclairs.fr/images/peinture/tableaux/el-greco-HD/el-greco-l-evangile-jean.jpg
  49. @syonredux
    Worth noting that Rockwell was a great admirer of Leyendecker's work:

    In many ways, the man whose name is considered to be synonymous with American illustration – Norman Rockwell – modeled himself on a now lesser-known artist, but one of his self proclaimed idols, J.C. Leyendecker.
     

    One of the most prolific and sought-after artists of the Golden Age of American illustration, J.C. Leyendecker captivated the public with his striking, fashionable depictions of handsome men and glamorous women. With his instantly identifiable style – “The Leyendecker Look” – he helped shape the face of a nation, created dozens of enduring icons, and virtually invented the concept of branding in advertising.
     

    In 1960, Rockwell included a chapter on Leyendecker in his biography, My Adventures as an Illustrator. In that chapter, entitled ‘The Mansion on Mount Tom Road,’ Rockwell admitted to having followed Leyendecker around New Rochelle, New York, emulating Leyendecker’s swagger, or limp as it were, and “attitude.” In the 1920’s, the American public overwhelmingly considered Leyendecker to be “the best illustrator.” As a budding young artist with high hopes of rising to that same exalted plateau – the preeminent Saturday Evening Post cover artist – Rockwell was utterly consumed by Leyendecker and his unique art.
     
    http://www.americanillustrators.com/travel/norman-rockwell-and-his-mentor-j-c-leyendecker/

    Rockwell used a Balopticon projector to trace photographed images. Leyendecker disapproved.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    English painter David Hockney is convinced that most of the great painters of the past used camera obscura projection systems. Most researchers are skeptical in general, but admit that Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.

    , @syonredux
    Interesting to see what Rockwell added to the images.....how he always managed to somehow maximize the cuteness factor....


    http://media.ai-ap.com/images/dart/wp-content/images/norman_2up_alow.jpg
    , @BB753
    Is that technically cheating or still a valid form of art?
  50. @syonredux
    Pope was the better poet.....and he prophesied our current plight.....


    In vain, in vain—the all-composing hour
    Resistless falls; the Muse obeys the power.
    She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
    Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old! 630
    Before her Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
    And all its varying rainbows die away.
    Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
    The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
    As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain, 635
    The sick’ning stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
    As Argus’ eyes, by Hermes’ wand opprest,
    Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
    Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
    Art after Art goes out, and all is night. 640
    See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
    Mountains of casuistry heap’d o’er her head!
    Philosophy, that lean’d on Heaven before,
    Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
    Physic of Metaphysic begs defence, 645
    And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!
    See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
    In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
    Religion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,
    And unawares Morality expires. 650


    Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
    Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
    Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restor’d;
    Light dies before thy uncreating word:
    Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; 655
    And universal Darkness buries all.

    The Dunciad

    And yet …

  51. I’ll diverstize yo mofkn’ ass if you don’t start passing my posts bitch !

    • Replies: @donut
    Sailer , you've got no sense of humor .
  52. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    The explanation for why nobody much noticed the Flynn effect appears to have been that it didn”€™t much show up in the cognitive skills used in conversation, but instead in more technical skills needed for using new electronic devices.

    I think you have this exactly reversed. The Flynn Effect was less apparent (or nonexistent) on g-loaded subtests (like reverse digit spans) and more apparent on s-loaded (learnable, memorizable) subtests like vocabulary. James Thompson had a detailed post on this. Math, puzzles, and series tests are relatively g-loaded, albeit not as pure as digit spans.

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/digit-span-bombshell/

    So “hyperurbanisms” (overuse and misuse of big words, “correct” grammar and pronunciation, etc.) are something that would be visible under the Flynn Effect.

  53. @the one they call Desanex
    Rockwell used a Balopticon projector to trace photographed images. Leyendecker disapproved.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ongO5Y_Y28

    Thanks.

    English painter David Hockney is convinced that most of the great painters of the past used camera obscura projection systems. Most researchers are skeptical in general, but admit that Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '... Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.'

    ? A lot of Ingres' portraits are very stylized. I really don't understand this comment.
    , @TWS
    It still takes skill to turn one of those sketches into art. I've seen a real artist completely ruin her work by using one of those. She went through a period of a couple years where she couldn't sell anything because of it. It looks amateurish until you gain the skill.
    , @ACommenter
    Hockney has been refuted multiple times. (See Art Renewal Org) Any classically trained artist, Rockwell included could draw without a projector. Hockney couldn't because he never had classical training.

    Rockwell used a projector for speed - to transfer his charcoal renderings to canvas because time was literally money. He also used photographs because models coulnt' hold the poses and it was saved money -
  54. They’re not stupid and they’re not ruining the news.

    Crucial reporting from the BBC:

    A university student says she’s received marriage offers after rolling her eyes at Nigel Farage on TV.

    A clip of Harriet Ellis looking less than impressed while sitting behind the former UKIP leader during a Channel 4 Brexit debate went viral on Monday.

    The 21-year-old says she’s since been swamped with messages of support – with people calling her a “hero”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46109281

    • Replies: @Pericles

    A university student says she’s received marriage offers after rolling her eyes at Nigel Farage on TV.

     

    Something tells me she turned these hypothetical suitors down. Just a hunch.
  55. @Tiny Duck
    Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.


    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven't done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I'm understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    ‘…Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard…’

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    …Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard…’

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?
     
    Lotsa legacy Jews at Harvard these days....
    , @notanon
    some pretty women will always be let through the net
    , @Logan
    It seems to universally assumed that white gentiles are the primary recipients of legacy admissions.

    Since Jews have been a highly disproportionate share of the attendees at these institutions for at least 50 years, two generations, this seems unlikely.
  56. @Anonymous
    I understand that they're stylized. Tom of Finland is stylized as well. That's my point. The issue is just how and what aspects of his subjects are stylized.

    I understand that they’re stylized.

    Good. Another hyper-stylized painter that I’ve always liked is El Greco:

    • Replies: @donut
    Uhm , even as a child he caught my eye . His vision puzzled me .
    , @Marat
    Elongation! Those fingers!
  57. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    ‘…“I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said…’

    Nu? So move to the town I live in. I saw a black yesterday, but none today.

  58. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    English painter David Hockney is convinced that most of the great painters of the past used camera obscura projection systems. Most researchers are skeptical in general, but admit that Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.

    ‘… Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.’

    ? A lot of Ingres’ portraits are very stylized. I really don’t understand this comment.

  59. You will be happy to know that Leyendecker has been appropriated by the furries:

    Leyendecker had a thing for Nordic-looking football players with torn jerseys:

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  60. I haven’t spammed you with music vids for a while now so pick and choose at your whim .

    It’s just like selecting the Golden Oldies on the radio .

    Boo the SOX !

  61. @Tiny Duck
    Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.


    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven't done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I'm understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    That only makes sense if the goal is “Admission to Harvard” instead of, you known, learning something.

    Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy.

    Whatever you label it, it should be nobody’s problem.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Exactly.
  62. @syonredux

    I understand that they’re stylized.
     
    Good. Another hyper-stylized painter that I've always liked is El Greco:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QTPZtyMrLT0/TXlmjmXK_5I/AAAAAAAACoA/xT6yO_AJ1iQ/s1600/greco3.jpg

    https://www.eternels-eclairs.fr/images/peinture/tableaux/el-greco-HD/el-greco-l-evangile-jean.jpg

    Uhm , even as a child he caught my eye . His vision puzzled me .

  63. @the one they call Desanex
    Rockwell used a Balopticon projector to trace photographed images. Leyendecker disapproved.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ongO5Y_Y28

    Interesting to see what Rockwell added to the images…..how he always managed to somehow maximize the cuteness factor….

  64. @Colin Wright
    '...Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard...'

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?

    …Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard…’

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?

    Lotsa legacy Jews at Harvard these days….

  65. @syonredux
    All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker.....but rather indifferent to Rockwell....

    http://www.scottmcd.net/artanalysis/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Leyendecker-Arrow.jpg

    Classic commercial:

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    • Replies: @M. Hartley
    Wow. We didn't know what we had then.

    It was even OK to be white, apparently.

    , @syonredux

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.
     
    Ah, Parrish. My Mom had several prints of his work:



    https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/the-enchanted-prince.jpg

    https://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pages/artists/artists_l-z/parrish/Parrish_Ecstasy.jpg


    https://www.illustrationhistory.org/images/uploads/tumblr_mq7p2egz8o1sp7i5wo1_1280.jpg
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Is that where Ralph Lauren (born Lipshitz) got it?

    Does Lauren count as Cultural Appropriation?
  66. @Bob Newhart
    it's surprising a guy like steve doesn't get it.

    1. the woke are mere dupes of the ruling elite.

    2. identity politics is a substitute for class consciousness and anti-left. when the problem is "racism", "sexism", "homophobia", etc. then the problem isn't inequality. and because the various groups are NOT the same, differences can never be eliminated and thus identity politics is a permanent substitute for the authentic left. reagan, thatcher, clinton, blair...they're all the same person.

    3. what you call the left is NOT left. it's just a means of confusing the woke and those like you steve. it's divide and conquer. you're playing the game they want you to play steve.

    4. the same UN which LIES about the reduction in global poverty in order to promote "free market" reforms and globalization also pressures countries to enact "hate speech" laws.

    i'm surprised you didn't get the memo from peter thiel, eric weinstein, noam chomsky, slavoj zizek, jimmy dore, and chris hedges. the ruling elite is incompetent and evil, not stupid.

    steve erwache!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co5cjvhVIAAQMaq.jpg

    it’s surprising a guy like steve doesn’t get it.

    It’s surprising that you don’t get that Steve gets it. But then, I see by your commenting history that you’re new here.

    • Agree: Forbes
  67. @Buffalo Joe
    I think Michelangelo's "Creation of Adam", the centerpiece of the Sistine chapel masterpiece, has been appropriated by more artists, ad agencies and editorial cartoonists than any other work of art.

    The best version was on the “Animaniacs” cartoon show of the 90s.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  68. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    Anon, any opinions on Alex Katz ? (#146)

  69. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    Brenda Snipes poses as God for woke paintings – when she’s not busy “finding” provisional ballots…

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/19/brenda-snipes-resigns/2056685002/

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  70. November 21 was my birthday , I’m 68 . I had an appointment with the cardiologist at GBMC . His examination room is on the 6th floor . In Maryland we have a long Autumn . The leaves are still on the trees all brown but still there . It was windy and the trees were swaying in the wind , the sky was blue . Who could be fearful , afraid of what will come in a world of such beauty ? When I die where will I go ? I don’t know where I came from , was I afraid when I came here ? ? I don’t remember . Who can say , no one has come back to tell us .

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHcOfwQyO30
    , @Chrisnonymous
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I hope you had a nice birthday despite the appointment. Never a good thing to book an appointment for that day.And you're right, the world is full of beauty if we are lucky enough to be in the place to appreciate it.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    You ponder the great mystery. The atheist/materialist and the feverish religionist are equally ridiculous; no one can answer. But I believe the journey of the spirit is without beginning or end.
  71. “Wokeness” logically has to be a lower IQ movement than Leftist movements up to the 196o’s. Up to that era, it was still possible for very bright people to postulate that races, cultures and sexes were inherently equal, that a collectivized civilization could achieve universal happiness and equality in outcomes, and so forth. After half a century of enacting programs to try those ideas and failing, the ideas can only still be clung to by people who have self-lobotomized themselves in order to get rid of the potential for committing CrimeThink.
    You aren’t going to be seeing any more John Kenneth Galbraiths or Bertrand Russells on the Left. From here on out it’s going to be Tennessee Coates’ and Sarah Jeongs all the way down.

    • Replies: @SND
    As a now 73 year old "red diaper baby" who sat in his freshman dorm cafeteria as news spread about the murder of JFK & who exited that dorm thinking, "Good. Now if it only turns out to be the Right rather than the Left who did it; 'cause there's going to be hell to pay," & then being surprised by LBJ's "Great Society" programs, believing them to be fascinating test cases... I gotta say to you, Alfa, "Very funny & very true."

    Now, my daughter teaches an intellectual history class at an East Coast university & when I challenge her about identity politics she says she doesn't believe any of it except that which pertains to American blacks. When asked why she says she "could not teach" (wouldn't be allowed to teach) if she didn't. In class she makes extensive use of Tennessee Coates.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    The world's experiment with Communism was tried and failed faster than our present trials to achieve the promised land of maximal diversity while "closing the gap" in performance & outcomes between the races.

    Unfortunately our present experiment won't likely collapse before repressions have been increased in order to redouble efforts.

    When non-white children who already make up the majority of that cohort finally come of voting age, they can finally declare "victory" for diversity and demand payment of tribute & reparations from the stale, pale whitemales, for all their historic sins, real or exaggerated.
  72. @syonredux
    All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker.....but rather indifferent to Rockwell....

    http://www.scottmcd.net/artanalysis/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Leyendecker-Arrow.jpg

    What’s a conservative study group?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?
    , @syonredux

    What’s a conservative study group?
     
    A safe space for the un-WOKE. I've been running one at my uni for the last several years. Some of the members are my students; others are friends of members. We get together 1-3 times a week (schedules permitting) and discuss dangerous stuff: Pinker's The Blank Slate, Murray's The Bell Curve, Goldberg's Why Men Rule, etc. We also engage with conservative literature and film: Lovecraft's fiction, John Ford's My Darling Clementine, Powell and Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale, Pope's Dunciad, Wharton's Age of Innocence, etc.

    Membership has steadily grown (20 people this semester, which is nearing the limit that I can manage), and the sex ratio has hit 50/50 (we skewed heavily male the first few semesters).
    , @Laugh Track

    What’s a conservative study group?
     
    They sit around discussing Willmoore Kendall, while listening to Charlie Daniels.
  73. @donut
    I'll diverstize yo mofkn' ass if you don't start passing my posts bitch !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0

    Sailer , you’ve got no sense of humor .


  74. 17000 ? years ago art burst forth in a pure and perfect form and since then man has only sought to approach that unknown genius .

  75. @donut
    November 21 was my birthday , I'm 68 . I had an appointment with the cardiologist at GBMC . His examination room is on the 6th floor . In Maryland we have a long Autumn . The leaves are still on the trees all brown but still there . It was windy and the trees were swaying in the wind , the sky was blue . Who could be fearful , afraid of what will come in a world of such beauty ? When I die where will I go ? I don't know where I came from , was I afraid when I came here ? ? I don't remember . Who can say , no one has come back to tell us .

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    The music was lovely.  Thank you.
    , @notanon
    cozy, comfy and kampfy
  76. @syonredux
    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/1412277566_ellen-pompeo-chris-ivery-zoom.jpg

    https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ellen-pompeo-family-kids-daughter-stella-luna-ivery.jpg

    To be fair to her, she’s rooting for her children in a sense. She’s switched tribes and is rooting for ‘her lot’.

    But will she demand that the people who look after her investments (she earns $20m a year) ‘look like America’?

    Grey’s Anatomy creator/writer Shonda Rhimes, an impressive character, seems to be a bit of a sister-figure. She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Kylie
    "To be fair to her, she’s rooting for her children in a sense. She’s switched tribes and is rooting for ‘her lot’."

    If she's switched tribes and is now rooting for 'her lot', the only fairness she deserves is to be deported to wherever her new tribe comes from, along with her tribesman and her tribe spawn.
    , @Pericles

    She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

     

    To, you know, get rid of those extra pregnancy pounds.
  77. @donut
    November 21 was my birthday , I'm 68 . I had an appointment with the cardiologist at GBMC . His examination room is on the 6th floor . In Maryland we have a long Autumn . The leaves are still on the trees all brown but still there . It was windy and the trees were swaying in the wind , the sky was blue . Who could be fearful , afraid of what will come in a world of such beauty ? When I die where will I go ? I don't know where I came from , was I afraid when I came here ? ? I don't remember . Who can say , no one has come back to tell us .

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

  78. the astonishing and super gay J.C. Leyendecker:

    Nah. Leyendecker is homoerotic. But that Retconned Rockwell above it really is “super gay” as the kids say!

    Somebody needs to make a Non-Player Character Retconned Rockwell…

    “Xi looks on as Rachel Maddow serves brains to a table of NPCs.”

    I’m sorry nobody’s made a Trumpsgiving Retconned Rockwell

    “The President beams down from under his orange locks as First Lady Melania serves a turkey to the assembled guests, all grinning at each with approval:
    Brett Kavanaugh
    Stephen Miller
    Kanye West
    Gavin McInnes
    Tucker Carlson
    Hasidic Jew
    Man in MAGA hat
    prospective voters (pixelated)
    and…
    Our Posterity.”

  79. @donut
    November 21 was my birthday , I'm 68 . I had an appointment with the cardiologist at GBMC . His examination room is on the 6th floor . In Maryland we have a long Autumn . The leaves are still on the trees all brown but still there . It was windy and the trees were swaying in the wind , the sky was blue . Who could be fearful , afraid of what will come in a world of such beauty ? When I die where will I go ? I don't know where I came from , was I afraid when I came here ? ? I don't remember . Who can say , no one has come back to tell us .

    I hope you had a nice birthday despite the appointment. Never a good thing to book an appointment for that day.And you’re right, the world is full of beauty if we are lucky enough to be in the place to appreciate it.

  80. @syonredux

    This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.
     
    Well, yes. His figures are highly stylized. That's part of their appeal.

    This is in contrast to Rockwell’s hyperrealism.
     
    Rockwell's style is more realism plus cuteness.


    Speaking of stylized figures, I've always rather liked Tamara de Lempicka's work:


    http://infinitedictionary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Lempicka-3.jpg


    https://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2017/03/01/201703010908-full.jpg


    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aPpyyYy-OT4/VablbyCqSNI/AAAAAAAAKu4/MgVn9zS0wuk/s640/tamara-de-lempicka-a-la-pinacotheque_670_force.jpg

    Looking at Leyendecker’s work I was reminded of the same artist but I couldn’t remember his/her name. Thanks, the middle painting is gorgeous.

    I will say this about Leyendecker, his artistry was authentic and admirable but he couldn’t really conjure up beautiful, feminine women. All his women were for the most part “handsome,” attractive but not desirable. Not in a hetereo way at least. The Wikipedia article falls just short of saying whether Leyendecker was gay or not, which in a way is sort of admirable, I mean of course he almost certainly was but how do we know for sure?

  81. @syonredux
    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/1412277566_ellen-pompeo-chris-ivery-zoom.jpg

    https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ellen-pompeo-family-kids-daughter-stella-luna-ivery.jpg

    Pompeo autobiography:  “How to have a family who looks nothing like you and will piss on your memory after you’re gone.”

    • Agree: bomag
  82. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Classic commercial:

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    https://youtu.be/DIIU2JvoMX4?t=12

    Wow. We didn’t know what we had then.

    It was even OK to be white, apparently.

  83. HAPPY THANKSGIVING

    Journal entries from William Bradford of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647:

    May not and ought not the children of these fathers rightly say: “Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this wilderness but they cried unto the Lord, and He heard their voice, and looked on their adversity, &c. Let them therefore praise the Lord, because He is good, and His mercies endure forever.

    Thus out of small beginnings greater things have been produced by His hand that made all things of nothing, and gives being to all things that are; and, as one small candle may light a thousand, so the light here kindled hath shone unto many…

    [emphasis added]

  84. I don’t know anything about the Norman Rockwell paintings, but that image of the dinner is basically every modern day advertising one comes across (i.e. the black man taking the lead, the white man either not shown at all or in the corner of the ad).

  85. @donut
    LBJ said that HH talked at 80 to 90 MPH with gusts of up to 120 .

    So THAT’S where Jim Bede got that quip.

  86. the term “microaggression” is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.

    No, that’s Stephen Fry.

  87. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHcOfwQyO30

    The music was lovely.  Thank you.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    You’re welcome! Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. R.

    Video creator is @that_groyper.

    Music track:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXAlznKcJvA
  88. @Corvinus
    "For example, using the term “microaggression” is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart."

    Or race realism, for that matter.

    [quoting Sailer:] “For example, using the term ‘microaggression’ is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.”

    [Corvinus:] Or race realism, for that matter.

    Because, like “microaggression,” “race realism” is a widespread Thing in mainstream culture. Just as bleating about microaggression wins sympathy, accolades, and prizes, so too does Noticing ancestry-related average performance differences lead to shaming, doxxing, and firing.

    Corvinus often offers ideas after the fashion of Ezra Klein and Matty Glesias, and I think s/he’s a sincere cntrl-Left partisan. Then a dumb post serves to remind that this is well-oiled alt-right trollery.

    A classy troll is still a troll.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Because, like “microaggression,” “race realism” is a widespread Thing in mainstream culture. "

    You would be surprised how many normies have not heard of a "microaggression". Regardless, the point still remains--the use of certain terms is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.
  89. @syonredux
    Pompeo has a personal interest in matters POC:

    Pompeo met Chris Ivery in a Los Angeles grocery store in 2003. They began dating and got married in 2007, with the New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg as the legal witness to the ceremony.[48] In 2009, Pompeo gave birth to her first child, daughter Stella.[49] In 2014, she welcomed daughter Sienna with the help of a gestational surrogate.[50][51] On December 29, 2016 it was announced that they had welcomed their third child, a boy named Eli Christopher.[52]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Pompeo#Personal_life_and_off-screen_work

    http://img.wennermedia.com/760-width/1412277566_ellen-pompeo-chris-ivery-zoom.jpg

    https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ellen-pompeo-family-kids-daughter-stella-luna-ivery.jpg

    Her kiddos lost any beuaty she had in their iteration. So sad. The father is handsome for a black man, but that is lost on girl children.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @bomag
    We could draw up a list of gains and losses from this relationship.

    I don't see many gains long term; the kids are uglier, dumber, and poorer than if she would have married more of a racial peer. But I guess we're not supposed to notice those things.
  90. @Anon
    We want Buckwheat.

    PS. I don't see any meat on the table except the white baby.... yikes!

    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    5. Troll left-wing relatives at every opportunity.
    , @Jack D
    Roasting a whole turkey is mission impossible because the white meat is overcooked before the dark meat is done.

    A whole roasted turkey looks photogenic but you can't eat a picture.

    Here's my strategy for the beast - 3 dishes out of 1 bird.

    1. Turkey soup - wings, ribs, back, neck, gizzard. Better than chicken soup.

    2. Turkey oven braised "osso bucco" style - legs and thighs. The sauce (finely chopped onions, carrots, celery and tomato) is fantastic with pasta although arborio rice is more authentic.

    3. Roasted turkey breast. Dry brine to get some salt into it because otherwise turkey breast tastes like nothing. Do not allow to go past 160F. If it wasn't so damn cold I'd smoke it outdoors.

    12 lbs. or more of roasted bird is sheer monotony but if you break down the bird you can cook each cut to best advantage. The same reason we break down cattle, sheep, etc.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Hhssiii, Thank you, we never serve "baby" at Thanksgiving, so there is never one to pass around the table. Enjoy your day.
    , @Hhsiii
    They are all in Texas and Brooklyn. Just immediate family today. But there’s always FaceTime.
  91. @Bubba
    You're right Buzz and I will update my pink flamingoes with this modern diversity piece:

    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfae/files/styles/x_large/public/201510/sleeping_mexican.jpg

    Cultural misappropriation!

    Judging from the pink, callus-free, nail-trimmed feet, and the red facial hair, that statue is a Norwegian caricature dressed to look like a Mexican stereotype.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational, Bubba
  92. @Tiny Duck
    Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.


    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven't done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I'm understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    If 10 to 15% of students were not legacy admissions would Harvard remain Harvard? Why don’t you start your own school and only admit students based on placement tests. You could call it “MIT.” Harvard has done a great job branding itself as “the most Elite high academic institution.” Harvard has built that reputation for itself, on its own terms. In my opinion the admissions department is doing it’s job well. If Harvard wasn’t Harvard would you be demanding acceptance into it in the first place?

  93. @Tiny Duck
    Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.


    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven't done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I'm understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    “I haven’t done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply.” ~ Tiny Duck

    Exactly.

    Oh, and, uh . . . happy Oppressed Turkey Day, y’all. };^D

  94. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    What’s wrong with a pretty man? Especially if that man is tall with oversized features such as long limbs and large hands.
    I disagree with you. In my opinion the arrow collar man is a fine example of a man.

  95. @YetAnotherAnon
    To be fair to her, she's rooting for her children in a sense. She's switched tribes and is rooting for 'her lot'.

    But will she demand that the people who look after her investments (she earns $20m a year) 'look like America'?

    Grey's Anatomy creator/writer Shonda Rhimes, an impressive character, seems to be a bit of a sister-figure. She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

    “To be fair to her, she’s rooting for her children in a sense. She’s switched tribes and is rooting for ‘her lot’.”

    If she’s switched tribes and is now rooting for ‘her lot’, the only fairness she deserves is to be deported to wherever her new tribe comes from, along with her tribesman and her tribe spawn.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  96. @the one they call Desanex
    Leyendecker is my all-time favorite. Some of his Thanksgiving illustrations:
    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/1932_11_26.jpg
    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/1923_12_01.jpg
    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/1936_11_28.jpg

    Leyendecker’s trademark parallel brush strokes technique was lovingly imitated by the great Rick Griffin:

  97. The front page of today’s Grauniad illustrates perfectly just how much the elites fear (and how slow they were to recognize ) “Popularism”.

    The idea that the population should have opinions and influence on how their country is run is obviously anathema.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world

  98. @syonredux
    All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker.....but rather indifferent to Rockwell....

    http://www.scottmcd.net/artanalysis/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Leyendecker-Arrow.jpg

    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn’t though.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It would only be ironic if a woman married Lyndecker hoping he'd be a good lover to her and father to her kids. Women appreciating the art of a homosexual who paints masculine men is an irony-free phenomena.
    , @syonredux

    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn’t though.
     
    Maybe I didn't phrase that correctly....The gals in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker the artist....which is to say, they love his art.
  99. Funny how the left, for years belittled ‘norman rockwell’s america’ and now highjack the images because they don’t have the imagination to think of something more compelling, except it only suffers by comparison.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  100. OT: “Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit

    Perhaps the Democratic Party could follow the same cue?

    Clinton said rightwing populists in the west met “a psychological as much as political yearning to be told what to do, and where to go, and how to live and have their press basically stifled and so be given one version of reality.”

    This one sentence shows that Clinton and the Democrats are still utterly clueless. A more accurate comment would be:

    Rightwing populists in the west meet a psychological as much as political yearning NOT to be told what to do, and where to go, and how to live and have their press basically stifled and so be given one version of reality.

  101. The Diversity Thanksgiving spread reminds me of the class dinner I endured this summer at my 50th high school reunion. Tasteless Vegan garbage, just like the political sensibilities of those I graduated with.

  102. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    Leyendecker’s men look beautiful, and his women look like men. His Wiki bio says his sexuality was an ‘open question.’ Doesn’t seem like a very open question to me. What red-blooded man given a talent for art and a preference for human subjects isn’t going to want to illustrate some beautiful women? The kind who prefers the company of men, that’s who.

    His work is extraordinary, though. His art may have some “homo-erotic” elements about it, but it’s no more wrong to glorify and idealize the male body than it is the female body. It’s interesting that his work, by today’s standards, seems so conservative. How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome? None that I know of.

    I’m fine with gay liberation and all, but one of its downsides is that gay artists, feeling no need to hide their sexuality, have become more political and more narcissistic. Though I guess that’s true of artists in general. America today could use more Leyendeckers.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome?
     
    Leyendecker glorified youth as all gays do. His older pilgrims were grotesque:

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/trading-for-a-turkey-saturday-evening-post-cover-december-1-1923_u-l-phxcro0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/pilgrim-c-1924_u-l-f25rpp0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    His young pilgrims look like they were hitting the gym and taking 'roids before there were gyms and 'roids.
  103. how would they appropriate this one?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    That gave me a jolt.

    What is see there is me, so close to literally as not to matter, during one of my daily chats with our daily back in 1952 Louisiana.

    Her picket-fenced cottage was spotless, and full of flowers.

    She put a fluffy little chick into my outstretched hands one afternoon there, which didn't end well, because Momma hen was feeling protective.

    But then again, none of it has ended well, has it?
  104. OT: Police and MI5 missed chances to prevent Manchester bombing, MPs find

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/22/police-and-mi5-missed-chances-to-prevent-manchester-arena-bombing-mps-find

    The report said there was one issue that caused “serious concern” but could not be revealed due “highly sensitive security aspects”, but would be raised with the prime minister in a classified report.

    Here’s a guess. The entire family of Muslim radicals, parents and two sons, were MI6 assets. They were brought to Britain in the hope that they would be useful when the time came for “regime change” in Libya. Indeed, when Col Gaddafi was in trouble they all went back to Libya to join the opposition – except one son, Salman Abedi, who decided that Jihad would be better served by a bombing in Manchester.

    Abedi, a subject of interest to MI5 but not under active investigation, had been flagged for review by the security service but its systems “moved too slowly” and the review did not happen before the attack.

    Either that, or MI6 said “leave him, he’s one of ours.”

  105. how would they appropriate this one?

  106. @Hhsiii
    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

    5. Troll left-wing relatives at every opportunity.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    They were in Houston and Brooklyn. But there’s always FaceTime. Apologies for the repeat. Responded to my own post before.

    They give me some grief for Trump but not too bad. My neocon brother in law does mock Trump Derangement Syndrome so there’s that.

  107. @Colin Wright
    '...Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard...'

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?

    some pretty women will always be let through the net

  108. @Tyrion 2
    What's a conservative study group?

    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Anyone in London want to start one of these with me? I could probably persuade a somewhat sympathetic friend of mine to host it.
    , @syonredux

    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?
     
    Pretty much. Frankly, my study group is the only place where most of my students feel safe to publicly voice their real opinions.
  109. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHcOfwQyO30

    cozy, comfy and kampfy

  110. @Wilkey
    Leyendecker's men look beautiful, and his women look like men. His Wiki bio says his sexuality was an 'open question.' Doesn't seem like a very open question to me. What red-blooded man given a talent for art and a preference for human subjects isn't going to want to illustrate some beautiful women? The kind who prefers the company of men, that's who.

    His work is extraordinary, though. His art may have some "homo-erotic" elements about it, but it's no more wrong to glorify and idealize the male body than it is the female body. It's interesting that his work, by today's standards, seems so conservative. How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome? None that I know of.

    I'm fine with gay liberation and all, but one of its downsides is that gay artists, feeling no need to hide their sexuality, have become more political and more narcissistic. Though I guess that's true of artists in general. America today could use more Leyendeckers.

    How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome?

    Leyendecker glorified youth as all gays do. His older pilgrims were grotesque:

    His young pilgrims look like they were hitting the gym and taking ‘roids before there were gyms and ‘roids.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    I expected better Jack. The Greeks had gyms a couple of thousand years ago. Ok, they taught math, literature, and music as well as physical education, but adults would go to adult gyms to keep in shape.
    As for 'roids, Ah, Science!
    , @Sean
    Na, they have the frame that has been admired since the begining of time, and that the Nazi sculptors like Arno Breker admired. Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.

    http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/45/cabinet_045_wang_michael_002.jpg


    It continues to be the standard for top models: long extremities (often huge hands), broad shoulders very little fat, but they have no great exaggeration of muscle.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.


    http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/frazetta2.jpg

    No one ever called Frank Frazetta gay unless they wanted to risk a punch in the mouth
     

    That trend continued until it reached the insane alpha male chimp-like expanded chest, plus inhuman muscles, of Captain America as drawn by Rob Liefeld, who seems to have been channeling the barrel aesthetic of lesser known Third Reich sculptor Josef Thorak AKA Professor Thorax

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/679/004/c8b.jpg


    If you want propaganda to inspire the lower orders you go for heroic realism. Poseur art critics are not going to say anything bad about Black Panther.

  111. Bitter White Man, full of resentment and bitter.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  112. @Harry Baldwin
    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?

    Anyone in London want to start one of these with me? I could probably persuade a somewhat sympathetic friend of mine to host it.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Can you find at least 10 righteous people there? If not, then RUN! And don't look back.
  113. Wokeness is a notably lower IQ movement relative to, say, 1960s leftist movements.

    1960s era identity politics was designed by high IQ people to manipulate both low IQ and high trust, high IQ people into undermining the dominant culture that existed at that time.

    but after two generations of insidious brain washing they’ve created a Frankenstein’s monster they no longer control.

  114. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    All I can think about when i see this is that woman babbling about her she shed.

  115. Did the gay community model themselves after Leyendecker or did Leyendecker adopt the styles of the homo artists/arts at the time. Which direction does the arrow point?

  116. @Hhsiii
    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

    Roasting a whole turkey is mission impossible because the white meat is overcooked before the dark meat is done.

    A whole roasted turkey looks photogenic but you can’t eat a picture.

    Here’s my strategy for the beast – 3 dishes out of 1 bird.

    1. Turkey soup – wings, ribs, back, neck, gizzard. Better than chicken soup.

    2. Turkey oven braised “osso bucco” style – legs and thighs. The sauce (finely chopped onions, carrots, celery and tomato) is fantastic with pasta although arborio rice is more authentic.

    3. Roasted turkey breast. Dry brine to get some salt into it because otherwise turkey breast tastes like nothing. Do not allow to go past 160F. If it wasn’t so damn cold I’d smoke it outdoors.

    12 lbs. or more of roasted bird is sheer monotony but if you break down the bird you can cook each cut to best advantage. The same reason we break down cattle, sheep, etc.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    That’s why I’m doing an 8 lb capon. Also enormous. Next time I may practice during the year to see if I can do a balllotine. Debone, make darkmeat into a forcemeat, roll it and tie it up.

    This year just roasting with a regular gravy and a bourbon mushroom cream sauce. Stuffing. Just Arnold store bought but I’ll throw in some sage from the garden. Growing like a weed anyway. Oyster pan roast. String beans with ham hock and white vinegar. Yams with marshmallow. Yeah I know. Will throw some bourbon in there too.

    My sister in Brooklyn will be having a Rockwell kitsch gathering. Indian husband, daughter with black boyfriend. Other daughter with Jewish boy friend (war correspondent Matt Rosenberg). I hear Max Boot may stop by.

    My gathering is just a pallid group of pale faces.
  117. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    English painter David Hockney is convinced that most of the great painters of the past used camera obscura projection systems. Most researchers are skeptical in general, but admit that Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.

    It still takes skill to turn one of those sketches into art. I’ve seen a real artist completely ruin her work by using one of those. She went through a period of a couple years where she couldn’t sell anything because of it. It looks amateurish until you gain the skill.

  118. @Jack D

    How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome?
     
    Leyendecker glorified youth as all gays do. His older pilgrims were grotesque:

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/trading-for-a-turkey-saturday-evening-post-cover-december-1-1923_u-l-phxcro0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/pilgrim-c-1924_u-l-f25rpp0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    His young pilgrims look like they were hitting the gym and taking 'roids before there were gyms and 'roids.

    I expected better Jack. The Greeks had gyms a couple of thousand years ago. Ok, they taught math, literature, and music as well as physical education, but adults would go to adult gyms to keep in shape.
    As for ‘roids, Ah, Science!

    • Replies: @Anon
    One wonders which Greek part of the word "gymnasium" Puritans might possibly have a problem with.
  119. @J.Ross
    Gosh, is that raw celery?

    Need Hennessy on the table or it didn’t happen.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  120. That sounds great, it doesn’t sound like Thanksgiving, but it sounds great. I smoked one on my charcoal grill last year. It was great that day, but the leftovers were inedible, they tasted like an ashtray. I was dismayed. Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving!

  121. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Hmm. Severed heads pasted into a Norman Rockwell painting. The left not only embraces the macabre, but insists on its propagation. Equality is nothing if it doesn't mean that you suffer more than NPC pets the Left has adopted.

    Hmm. Severed heads pasted into a Norman Rockwell painting. The left not only embraces the macabre, but insists on its propagation. Equality is nothing if it doesn’t mean that you suffer more than NPC pets the Left has adopted.

    This is something I’ve noted since I was a young man.

    Everything the left does promotes …. ugliness.

    There is sublime beauty in traditional organic arrangements–man, woman, child; our literature, traditions, religion, culture; masculinity/femininity; family. Maybe a bunch of it is “middlebrow” or even cloying, but it’s there.

    But everything the left pushes forward and makes us genuflect to–homos, trannies, lesbians, bureaucracy, crappy “literature”, obscenity, piercings and ugly anti-feminine styles, miscegenation propaganda, anachronistic minorities, tedious language, bullying speech codes, Somalis … on and on and on. A parade of ugliness.

    • Agree: BenKenobi, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anonymous
    hey, there are many hot Somali women, whom only a gay dude would consider ugly.

    But maybe you are gay, in spite of everything.

    I am not sure if you are an Evelyn Waugh fan or more of a Charlus-style Foucault fan.

    If you yourself are not sure, go for Waugh, he has more in common with Wodehouse.

  122. The “artist” screwed up in the Rockwell Thanksgiving remake. By showing the guy’s entire face in the bottom right, it shifts the focal point of the photo. This combined with the overgrown child aspect of his backwards hat, makes it seem like a KFC ad from the 90’s

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    They apparently bothered to have models specially photographed (including Obama minion Van Jones) but the result looks like a photoshop collage from free stock images. It reminds one of David Dees, who often does better work without as much effort:
    http://ddees.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sheeple-43.jpg
    http://ddees.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Sheeple-42.jpg
  123. What red-blooded man given a talent for art and a preference for human subjects isn’t going to want to illustrate some beautiful women?

    I don’t think he randomly chose subjects, weren’t these commissioned illustrations?

  124. @Bubba
    You're right Buzz and I will update my pink flamingoes with this modern diversity piece:

    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfae/files/styles/x_large/public/201510/sleeping_mexican.jpg

    Milton Seltzer in a sombrero.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    LOL! Thank you for memories! He was a great actor - excellent in a couple of "Twilight Zone" episodes!

    http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/actors/memoriam/images/selzer_obituary.jpg
  125. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/us/white-americans-minority-population.html

    It was not just white nationalists worried about losing racial dominance. Dr. Myers watched as progressives, envisioning political power, became enamored with the idea of a coming white minority. He said it was hard to interest them in his work on ways to make the change seem less threatening to fearful white Americans — for instance by emphasizing the good that could come from immigration.

    “It was conquest, our day has come,” he said of their reaction. “They wanted to overpower them with numbers. It was demographic destiny.”

  126. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the interest of diversity, and to keep up with the times, we are considering replacing our pink, plastic flamingos with one of these:

    http://betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lawnjockey.jpg

    Buzz, the original cast iron lawn jockeys used to bring some big bucks at the flea market, now most get a white washing. There is a line of LJs in Saratoga Springs, one for each of the Stakes Race winner.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is a line of LJs in Saratoga Springs, one for each of the Stakes Race winner.
     
    Can't have nuthin' nice anymore!

    Search Is On For Culprits That Placed Confederate Flags On Lawn Jockeys At National Museum Of Racing

    https://www.paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/DUQdCBHVAAAx63-.jpg

  127. @Dan Hayes
    Syonredux:

    I believe that this reinterpretive work in the Sistine Chapel has been commissioned by Pope Francis.

    Dan, That is too funny, but maybe in the works for our most woke pope ever.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  128. leyendecker is presenting some gay ideal. it’s obvious and ridiculous, but at the same time NOT much different from the sculptures of arno breker.

    one of the advantages of a homogeneous society is it can have an ideals. a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society can have no gods, only the idol of money.

  129. @Corvinus
    "Culturally appropriating old Rockwells in the name of Diversity is obviously tasteless and lowbrow..."

    To you and other people, sure. If that makes you feel better.

    Just a friendly reminder --> “‘[Rockwell" was really struck by those ideals,’ explained Plunkett, ‘and he wanted to find a way to convey them to a public he knew would have a hard time—as he did—grappling with big questions, like: ‘What are we really deciding to protect?’ ‘What does freedom really look like?’ His feeling that art can have an impact beyond entertainment came to him at that time.’...“Rockwell was emboldened, but it wasn’t until 1963, when he left the Post and started working with the liberal publication Look magazine, that he began to address more controversial issues—namely, his support of civil rights."

    Because there is not any "act of taking or using things from a culture that is not your own, especially without showing that you understand or respect this", which is the essence of cultural appropriation*. His work represented the human spirit as an American, which we can all appreciate. Well, maybe not some people...

    *Not a fan of this term, either. But that's Coalition of the Fringe rhetoric, as you are quite familiar with yourself.

    Corvi, You write well and state your point in everyone of your comments, but, if Rockwell was suddenly woke in 1963 after he left the Post, he should have manned up and left on principal before then. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

  130. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    So not only is Ellen Pompeo cursed by looking like Hillary Clinton she’s also cursed with mouthing the same platitudes!

    /facepalm.

  131. @donut
    November 21 was my birthday , I'm 68 . I had an appointment with the cardiologist at GBMC . His examination room is on the 6th floor . In Maryland we have a long Autumn . The leaves are still on the trees all brown but still there . It was windy and the trees were swaying in the wind , the sky was blue . Who could be fearful , afraid of what will come in a world of such beauty ? When I die where will I go ? I don't know where I came from , was I afraid when I came here ? ? I don't remember . Who can say , no one has come back to tell us .

    You ponder the great mystery. The atheist/materialist and the feverish religionist are equally ridiculous; no one can answer. But I believe the journey of the spirit is without beginning or end.

  132. @Tyrion 2
    What's a conservative study group?

    What’s a conservative study group?

    A safe space for the un-WOKE. I’ve been running one at my uni for the last several years. Some of the members are my students; others are friends of members. We get together 1-3 times a week (schedules permitting) and discuss dangerous stuff: Pinker’s The Blank Slate, Murray’s The Bell Curve, Goldberg’s Why Men Rule, etc. We also engage with conservative literature and film: Lovecraft’s fiction, John Ford’s My Darling Clementine, Powell and Pressburger’s A Canterbury Tale, Pope’s Dunciad, Wharton’s Age of Innocence, etc.

    Membership has steadily grown (20 people this semester, which is nearing the limit that I can manage), and the sex ratio has hit 50/50 (we skewed heavily male the first few semesters).

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    syonredux:

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    How is Wharton dangerous?
    , @JackOH
    syonredux, you sound like a very hip prof. We had a prof at our local state university who tried a Christian study group, and I think he had some success attracting students. Not so much with his colleagues, who dismissed him as a religious zealot. He had a knack for inserting himself into campus controversy where he was obviously outmatched, and pretty much tripped over himself trying to offer a Christian understanding of things.

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?
  133. so the hatefulness of most white folk is a hatefact for the woke.

    steve commits the wignat error of insisting that some races are better than others because twin studies and adoption studies.

    this is irrelevant. homogeneit-ism is not an invidious ideology.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @DFH
    caved_in_head_wojak.jpg
    , @Mr. Rational
    You need to avoid the word salad like your last sentence.  Shape up and you might rate a LOL someday.
  134. @Tiny Duck
    We will replace you

    Gavin McInnes has disavowed the proud boys after they were named a terrorist group

    More and more white girls are having Children of Color

    Ohs Tinys…

    “We will replace you”

    Dat’n be teh other borthas sed whenI was dun wit yo pucker. and den deys did replac Lensporb behinds you.

    Lendchurb “teh sharer” plitzen

  135. @Hhsiii
    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

    Hhssiii, Thank you, we never serve “baby” at Thanksgiving, so there is never one to pass around the table. Enjoy your day.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    I love babies. Especially when well-prepared.
  136. @Buffalo Joe
    Hhssiii, Thank you, we never serve "baby" at Thanksgiving, so there is never one to pass around the table. Enjoy your day.

    I love babies. Especially when well-prepared.

  137. @Harry Baldwin
    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?

    A get-together where you can intelligently discuss non-progressive ideas without being shouted down by SJWs?

    Pretty much. Frankly, my study group is the only place where most of my students feel safe to publicly voice their real opinions.

  138. @Hhsiii
    Big no nos on thanksgiving:

    1. Don’t wash the turkey. It spreads bacteria to other surfaces.
    2. Don’t undercook. Don’t go by skin color. Thermometer. Don’t overcook either but that’s so you don’t gag on dry turkey.
    3. Refrigerate leftovers quickly. Within 2 hours of cooking.
    4. Do not pass a baby around the table. Diaper leaks. Keep baby in high chair or crib, preferably away from table.

    I’m making a capon. The 2 year old will be in his high chair. Probably not eating capon and watching peppa pig.

    They are all in Texas and Brooklyn. Just immediate family today. But there’s always FaceTime.

  139. @Bob Newhart
    so the hatefulness of most white folk is a hatefact for the woke.

    steve commits the wignat error of insisting that some races are better than others because twin studies and adoption studies.

    this is irrelevant. homogeneit-ism is not an invidious ideology.

    caved_in_head_wojak.jpg

  140. @Tyrion 2
    What's a conservative study group?

    What’s a conservative study group?

    They sit around discussing Willmoore Kendall, while listening to Charlie Daniels.

  141. @Jack D

    How many prominent artists of today would do anything to make pilgrims look so fricking awesome?
     
    Leyendecker glorified youth as all gays do. His older pilgrims were grotesque:

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/trading-for-a-turkey-saturday-evening-post-cover-december-1-1923_u-l-phxcro0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    https://imgc.artprintimages.com/img/print/pilgrim-c-1924_u-l-f25rpp0.jpg?h=900&w=900

    His young pilgrims look like they were hitting the gym and taking 'roids before there were gyms and 'roids.

    Na, they have the frame that has been admired since the begining of time, and that the Nazi sculptors like Arno Breker admired. Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.

    It continues to be the standard for top models: long extremities (often huge hands), broad shoulders very little fat, but they have no great exaggeration of muscle.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.

    http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/frazetta2.jpg

    No one ever called Frank Frazetta gay unless they wanted to risk a punch in the mouth

    That trend continued until it reached the insane alpha male chimp-like expanded chest, plus inhuman muscles, of Captain America as drawn by Rob Liefeld, who seems to have been channeling the barrel aesthetic of lesser known Third Reich sculptor Josef Thorak AKA Professor Thorax

    If you want propaganda to inspire the lower orders you go for heroic realism. Poseur art critics are not going to say anything bad about Black Panther.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Franzetta's figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker's. Most importantly, Franzetta's figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies. Whereas Leyendecker's men have feminine faces. This seems to be the bodybuilding look that appeals to gays: very feminine, boyish, prepubescent facial appearances on top of unnaturally proportioned, overdeveloped muscles developed via bodybuilding.
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.
     
    Nah, they’re just plain unsightly.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.
     
    Frazetta used himself as a model for his male figures.
  142. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Classic commercial:

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    https://youtu.be/DIIU2JvoMX4?t=12

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    Ah, Parrish. My Mom had several prints of his work:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    And speaking of great American illustrators, let's not forget Howard Pyle:

    https://historicist.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/nation-makers1.jpg

    http://bcillustrators.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pyle4.jpg
  143. @Jack D
    Roasting a whole turkey is mission impossible because the white meat is overcooked before the dark meat is done.

    A whole roasted turkey looks photogenic but you can't eat a picture.

    Here's my strategy for the beast - 3 dishes out of 1 bird.

    1. Turkey soup - wings, ribs, back, neck, gizzard. Better than chicken soup.

    2. Turkey oven braised "osso bucco" style - legs and thighs. The sauce (finely chopped onions, carrots, celery and tomato) is fantastic with pasta although arborio rice is more authentic.

    3. Roasted turkey breast. Dry brine to get some salt into it because otherwise turkey breast tastes like nothing. Do not allow to go past 160F. If it wasn't so damn cold I'd smoke it outdoors.

    12 lbs. or more of roasted bird is sheer monotony but if you break down the bird you can cook each cut to best advantage. The same reason we break down cattle, sheep, etc.

    That’s why I’m doing an 8 lb capon. Also enormous. Next time I may practice during the year to see if I can do a balllotine. Debone, make darkmeat into a forcemeat, roll it and tie it up.

    This year just roasting with a regular gravy and a bourbon mushroom cream sauce. Stuffing. Just Arnold store bought but I’ll throw in some sage from the garden. Growing like a weed anyway. Oyster pan roast. String beans with ham hock and white vinegar. Yams with marshmallow. Yeah I know. Will throw some bourbon in there too.

    My sister in Brooklyn will be having a Rockwell kitsch gathering. Indian husband, daughter with black boyfriend. Other daughter with Jewish boy friend (war correspondent Matt Rosenberg). I hear Max Boot may stop by.

    My gathering is just a pallid group of pale faces.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I have not seen capons for sale in my regular grocery stores for quite a few years.  Are they unpopular, or am I going wrong?
  144. @Alfa158
    “Wokeness” logically has to be a lower IQ movement than Leftist movements up to the 196o’s. Up to that era, it was still possible for very bright people to postulate that races, cultures and sexes were inherently equal, that a collectivized civilization could achieve universal happiness and equality in outcomes, and so forth. After half a century of enacting programs to try those ideas and failing, the ideas can only still be clung to by people who have self-lobotomized themselves in order to get rid of the potential for committing CrimeThink.
    You aren’t going to be seeing any more John Kenneth Galbraiths or Bertrand Russells on the Left. From here on out it’s going to be Tennessee Coates’ and Sarah Jeongs all the way down.

    As a now 73 year old “red diaper baby” who sat in his freshman dorm cafeteria as news spread about the murder of JFK & who exited that dorm thinking, “Good. Now if it only turns out to be the Right rather than the Left who did it; ’cause there’s going to be hell to pay,” & then being surprised by LBJ’s “Great Society” programs, believing them to be fascinating test cases… I gotta say to you, Alfa, “Very funny & very true.”

    Now, my daughter teaches an intellectual history class at an East Coast university & when I challenge her about identity politics she says she doesn’t believe any of it except that which pertains to American blacks. When asked why she says she “could not teach” (wouldn’t be allowed to teach) if she didn’t. In class she makes extensive use of Tennessee Coates.

  145. @syonredux

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.
     
    Ah, Parrish. My Mom had several prints of his work:



    https://americangallery.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/the-enchanted-prince.jpg

    https://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pages/artists/artists_l-z/parrish/Parrish_Ecstasy.jpg


    https://www.illustrationhistory.org/images/uploads/tumblr_mq7p2egz8o1sp7i5wo1_1280.jpg

    And speaking of great American illustrators, let’s not forget Howard Pyle:

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I grew up with his Robin Hood.
  146. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    There’s something to be said for not knowing who TF are Ellen Pompeo, Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts, and Gina Rodriquez–and I don’t care. But they are funny–and like much of the prog-left, completely lacking in self-awareness.

    These self-important twits demonstrate it every time they open up and mouth off with “make sure your crew looks like the world we see,” as if people are just different colored widgets to be hired and fired (moved around) at will.

    Even chess pieces on a game board have different and distinguishing capabilities.

  147. @Tiny Duck
    Left. Right. It’s the same white hypocrisy.


    think there needs to be a little more context and explanation to the Harvard situation. I haven't done a ton of research into it but I did watch a video that seemed to lay out all the facts pretty simply. Yes, Harvard should not be discriminating against any race in their admissions process. But if I'm understanding the entire situation correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), Asians are being used as a poster child right now by Ed Blum (a conservative activist) in order to try and abolish affirmative action. The topic of affirmative action is a whole other discussion but the current lawsuit that Harvard faces is because a right wing white man wants to get rid of a policy that affects not only Asians, but every other minority out there. The reason why a lot of people are getting riled up is because they think Asians are being unfairly treated (which they could be and as the Dean seems to confirm, they have been). But the percentage of Asian students being admitted to Harvard is actually increasing every year. I think it sits at about 22% right now. If people want to be treated fairly in the admissions office, we should not be abolishing classic affirmative action. What we should REALLY be focusing on is the legacy policy that Harvard has in place. Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard. Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy. So the legacy policy is what people should really be after instead of the traditional affirmative action policy as we know it.

    All of the reactions to the Harvard Affirmative Action situation are too weak. Harvard the University should be closed down. They could then create a Harvard web site that could run YouTube style courses and a set of exit tests. Higher education- lower costs.

    This would be a reasonable penalty for their years of unconscionable racial preferences. After an audited review of their expenses for the deconstruction they should give their remaining funds to the taxpayers.

    • Agree: BB753
  148. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the interest of diversity, and to keep up with the times, we are considering replacing our pink, plastic flamingos with one of these:

    http://betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lawnjockey.jpg

    I grew up with a host of suburban (post-war) housing developments filled with lawn jockeys holding a lantern to light the way up the front steps from the (lower) driveway to the (mid-level) front door of a split-level house.

    Never gave it a thought it was to be considered racist as they were jockeys. The ’70s brought whitewashing or replacement.

  149. @ACommenter
    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn't though.

    It would only be ironic if a woman married Lyndecker hoping he’d be a good lover to her and father to her kids. Women appreciating the art of a homosexual who paints masculine men is an irony-free phenomena.

  150. @Bob Newhart
    so the hatefulness of most white folk is a hatefact for the woke.

    steve commits the wignat error of insisting that some races are better than others because twin studies and adoption studies.

    this is irrelevant. homogeneit-ism is not an invidious ideology.

    You need to avoid the word salad like your last sentence.  Shape up and you might rate a LOL someday.

  151. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    You want color? Why not shoot in Nigeria? They have a booming film industry. Or Bombay.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  152. @El Dato
    That only makes sense if the goal is "Admission to Harvard" instead of, you known, learning something.

    Because Harvard is a private university, their tuition is close to $60k/year. Essentially, that 10-15% of legacy students represents affirmative action for the wealthy.
     
    Whatever you label it, it should be nobody's problem.

    Exactly.

  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    In the interest of diversity, and to keep up with the times, we are considering replacing our pink, plastic flamingos with one of these:

    http://betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lawnjockey.jpg

    My uncle Gerald used to have one of these on his front lawn in South East Washington DC.At that time it was a white area. When the Martin Luther King riots came his very young daughter went out front and painted the face and hands white.

  154. Speaking of super gays, has anybody tried to diversify Tom of Finland’s “oeuvre”?

  155. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    Someone once told me something similar about Dante Gabriel Rossetti: that his young women look alarmingly like young men in drag.

    Once seen it can’t be unseen.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://www.porcelainista.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/May-Morning-Jane-Morris.jpg
  156. OT:

    https://abc7chicago.com/amp/fedex-driver-fatally-punches-man-yelling-racial-slurs/4740374/

    We all knew it would come to this.

    I don’t trust the papers to get the details right so I hope a video is disseminated.

    Anyway, I guess it’s good to know the rules.

    By the way, most headlines say that the dead guy threw “a punch” first but if you read the articles, that “punch” wasn’t a fist, it was a drink.

  157. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Na, they have the frame that has been admired since the begining of time, and that the Nazi sculptors like Arno Breker admired. Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.

    http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/45/cabinet_045_wang_michael_002.jpg


    It continues to be the standard for top models: long extremities (often huge hands), broad shoulders very little fat, but they have no great exaggeration of muscle.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.


    http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/frazetta2.jpg

    No one ever called Frank Frazetta gay unless they wanted to risk a punch in the mouth
     

    That trend continued until it reached the insane alpha male chimp-like expanded chest, plus inhuman muscles, of Captain America as drawn by Rob Liefeld, who seems to have been channeling the barrel aesthetic of lesser known Third Reich sculptor Josef Thorak AKA Professor Thorax

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/679/004/c8b.jpg


    If you want propaganda to inspire the lower orders you go for heroic realism. Poseur art critics are not going to say anything bad about Black Panther.

    Franzetta’s figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker’s. Most importantly, Franzetta’s figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies. Whereas Leyendecker’s men have feminine faces. This seems to be the bodybuilding look that appeals to gays: very feminine, boyish, prepubescent facial appearances on top of unnaturally proportioned, overdeveloped muscles developed via bodybuilding.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Franzetta’s figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker’s.
     
    Frazetta....He was more about heavy-metal style impact....He lacked Leyendecker's aesthetic sensibilities....

    He also had a tendency to overemphasize the female bum...often to a rather tacky degree....

    Most importantly, Franzetta’s figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies.
     
    In many cases, borderline ugly....



    http://img03.deviantart.net/5463/i/2012/100/b/5/realistic_frazetta_conan_by_sdsfx-d4vq3tt.jpg
    , @Sean
    Leyendecker’s male bodies are lanky not muscular, that is the way illustrators habitually drew men in the 19th century was rather old fashioned in that. His male figures do have very broad shoulders but apart from that it was nothing unusual for the time. Those bodies with soft faces was also common. eg Michelangelo's David.

    Breker's sculptures of men had very unmasculine faces in many cases. Franzett'a Conan face looks non European because it is so masculine What is is called Nordic looks is feminized looks. North European women are more feminine, so are the men.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST2ifJc981FZqyi2Qp8GIDstRz1zOoMbIbIzBuwW8I8tarCBJIlw

  158. My wife and daughter insist upon watching This Is Us, over my objections.

    What a pile of tendentious pc nonsense.

    Anyhow, I have commented frequently on the lack of a homo character.

    Well, last episode, the twelvish Negro daughter confided that she was gay.

    Really!

    (…and, don’t bother watching).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Never heard of the show or the stupid woke twats in the article, but thanks for the warning.
  159. @J.Ross
    If you rip out the midcentury middle American context, there's nothing happening in a Rockwell painting.

    It’s like one of those dreadfully boring, old, white suburbs of London 60 years ago.

    Quite nice, actually.

  160. @ACommenter
    how would they appropriate this one?
    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9110/203966662.52/0_b7492_a72f0c7d_XL.jpg

    That gave me a jolt.

    What is see there is me, so close to literally as not to matter, during one of my daily chats with our daily back in 1952 Louisiana.

    Her picket-fenced cottage was spotless, and full of flowers.

    She put a fluffy little chick into my outstretched hands one afternoon there, which didn’t end well, because Momma hen was feeling protective.

    But then again, none of it has ended well, has it?

  161. @Mr. Rational
    The music was lovely.  Thank you.

    You’re welcome! Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. R.

    Video creator is @that_groyper.

    Music track:

  162. What’s the main course being served? This reminds me of Ethiopian injara but appears much puffier and burned.

  163. OT: There’s a new Guardian piece that is hysterically funny. It includes such gems as Hillary Clinton saying:

    “The whole American system was designed so that you would eliminate the threat from a strong, authoritarian king or other leader and maybe people are just tired of it. They don’t want that much responsibility and freedom. They want to be told what to do and where to go and how to live … and only given one version of reality.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit

  164. Why the Announcement of a Looming White Minority Makes Demographers Nervous

    The graphic was splashy by the Census Bureau’s standards and it showed an unmistakable moment in America’s future: the year 2044, when white Americans were projected to fall below half the population and lose their majority status.

    The presentation of the data disturbed Kenneth Prewitt, a former Census Bureau director, who saw it while looking through a government report. The graphic made demographic change look like a zero-sum game that white Americans were losing, he thought, and could provoke a political backlash.

    The time ain’t ripe, OK? We gotta keep YT asleep for just another decade or two….

    “I said ‘I’m really worried about this,’” said Dr. Prewitt, now a professor of public affairs at Columbia University. He added, “Statistics are powerful. They are a description of who we are as a country. If you say majority-minority, that becomes a huge fact in the national discourse.”

    Just keep it on the down-low……For now….

    In a nation preoccupied by race, the moment when white Americans will make up less than half the country’s population has become an object of fascination.

    For white nationalists, it signifies a kind of doomsday clock counting down to the end of racial and cultural dominance. For progressives who seek an end to Republican power, the year points to inevitable political triumph, when they imagine voters of color will rise up and hand victories to the Democratic Party.

    Yeah, YT gonna get it then…..Whoops! Pardon the drooling….

    Jennifer Richeson, a social psychologist at Yale University, spotted the risk immediately. As an analyst of group behavior, she knew that group size was a marker of dominance and that a group getting smaller could feel threatened.

    Totally irrational fear, YT. Just ask the Jews in Israel….They’re completely indifferent to issues of population size….

    But she did, together with a colleague, Maureen Craig, a social psychologist at New York University, and they have been talking about the results ever since. Their findings, first published in 2014, showed that white Americans who were randomly assigned to read about the racial shift were more likely to report negative feelings toward racial minorities than those who were not. They were also more likely to support restrictive immigration policies and to say that whites would likely lose status and face discrimination in the future.

    Mary Waters, a sociologist at Harvard University, remembered being stunned when she saw the research.

    “It was like, ‘Oh wow, these nerdy projections are scaring the hell out of people,” she said.

    So ixnay onyay ethay ojectionspray….

    It was not just white nationalists worried about losing racial dominance. Dr. Myers watched as progressives, envisioning political power, became enamored with the idea of a coming white minority. He said it was hard to interest them in his work on ways to make the change seem less threatening to fearful white Americans — for instance by emphasizing the good that could come from immigration.</blockquote>

    Need to rein it in, boys/girls/non-binaries….

    “It was conquest, our day has come,” he said of their reaction. “They wanted to overpower them with numbers. It was demographic destiny.”

    Dr. Myers and a colleague later found that presenting the data differently could produce a much less anxious reaction. In work published this spring, they found that the negative effects that came from reading about a white decline were largely erased when the same people read about how the white category was in fact getting bigger by absorbing multiracial young people through intermarriage.


    Look, you know, and I know, that this is rubbish…..But most YTs are easily fooled by this kind of stuff

    Race is difficult to count because, unlike income or employment, it is a social category that shifts with changes in culture, immigration, and ideas about genetics.

    Yup, the definitions of what count as rich and poor are fixed and immutable….

    So who counts as white has changed over time. In the 1910s and 1920s, the last time immigrants were such a large share of the American population, there were furious arguments over how to categorize newcomers from Europe.

    But eventually, the immigrants from eastern and southern Europe came to be considered white.

    Yeah, I mean we all remember how Poles were legally defined as Black until, what, 1933?

    That is because race is about power, not biology, said Charles King, a political science professor at Georgetown University.

    “The closer you get to social power, the closer you get to whiteness,” said Dr. King, author of a coming book on Franz Boas, the early 20th-century anthropologist who argued against theories of racial difference. The one group that was never allowed to cross the line into whiteness was African-Americans, he said — the long-term legacy of slavery.

    If it weren’t for slavery, they would be White….

    William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, argued that the Census Bureau was doing the best that it could at a time when society was changing quickly. He was skeptical that today’s Asians and Hispanics were analogous to the white ethnic Americans of the 20th century, and believed that a less conservative count would not do much to change the bigger picture.

    Dammit, who let that slip by? How are we supposed to keep YT oblivious when stuff like this is getting printed?

    Others say they are not sugarcoating statistics, but showing that the numbers have many interpretations, and that white-versus-everyone-else is only one.

    It’s just the most effective…..Remember, this is the face of the enemy:

    The Census Bureau released new projections this year in March filled with data about the country’s future. In the coming decades, adults 65 and older will outnumber children for the first time in the country’s history. The share of mixed-race children is set to double.

    But there was no mention of a year when white Americans would fall below half the population.

    When asked about the change, a spokesman for the Bureau said: “It was just us getting back to sticking to data.”

    Wink-Wink, nudge-nudge….

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/us/white-americans-minority-population.html

  165. @Anonymous
    Franzetta's figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker's. Most importantly, Franzetta's figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies. Whereas Leyendecker's men have feminine faces. This seems to be the bodybuilding look that appeals to gays: very feminine, boyish, prepubescent facial appearances on top of unnaturally proportioned, overdeveloped muscles developed via bodybuilding.

    Franzetta’s figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker’s.

    Frazetta….He was more about heavy-metal style impact….He lacked Leyendecker’s aesthetic sensibilities….

    He also had a tendency to overemphasize the female bum…often to a rather tacky degree….

    Most importantly, Franzetta’s figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies.

    In many cases, borderline ugly….

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Frazetta was quite versatile. For example, he was an excellent caricaturist.
    http://www.heavymetal.com/news/13-screwball-comedy-movie-posters-by-frank-frazetta/
  166. @Corvinus
    "For example, using the term “microaggression” is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart."

    Or race realism, for that matter.

    Steve, please change username “Corvinus” to “Bizarro No.1.” 😛

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  167. @Anonymous
    Franzetta's figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker's. Most importantly, Franzetta's figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies. Whereas Leyendecker's men have feminine faces. This seems to be the bodybuilding look that appeals to gays: very feminine, boyish, prepubescent facial appearances on top of unnaturally proportioned, overdeveloped muscles developed via bodybuilding.

    Leyendecker’s male bodies are lanky not muscular, that is the way illustrators habitually drew men in the 19th century was rather old fashioned in that. His male figures do have very broad shoulders but apart from that it was nothing unusual for the time. Those bodies with soft faces was also common. eg Michelangelo’s David.

    Breker’s sculptures of men had very unmasculine faces in many cases. Franzett’a Conan face looks non European because it is so masculine What is is called Nordic looks is feminized looks. North European women are more feminine, so are the men.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST2ifJc981FZqyi2Qp8GIDstRz1zOoMbIbIzBuwW8I8tarCBJIlw

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    You’re confusing “masculine” with “simian.”
  168. @Sean
    Na, they have the frame that has been admired since the begining of time, and that the Nazi sculptors like Arno Breker admired. Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.

    http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/45/cabinet_045_wang_michael_002.jpg


    It continues to be the standard for top models: long extremities (often huge hands), broad shoulders very little fat, but they have no great exaggeration of muscle.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.


    http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/frazetta2.jpg

    No one ever called Frank Frazetta gay unless they wanted to risk a punch in the mouth
     

    That trend continued until it reached the insane alpha male chimp-like expanded chest, plus inhuman muscles, of Captain America as drawn by Rob Liefeld, who seems to have been channeling the barrel aesthetic of lesser known Third Reich sculptor Josef Thorak AKA Professor Thorax

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/679/004/c8b.jpg


    If you want propaganda to inspire the lower orders you go for heroic realism. Poseur art critics are not going to say anything bad about Black Panther.

    Konrad Lorenz thought it was the undomesticated look holding out against the degeneration that went with civilisation, humans being the self-domesticated animal. Blacks (men and women) tend to have that look more than whites do.

    Nah, they’re just plain unsightly.

    Franzetta was the first to draw men with masses of muscle that could not be got naturally in the real world.

    Frazetta used himself as a model for his male figures.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  169. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hmm. Severed heads pasted into a Norman Rockwell painting. The left not only embraces the macabre, but insists on its propagation. Equality is nothing if it doesn’t mean that you suffer more than NPC pets the Left has adopted.
     
    This is something I've noted since I was a young man.

    Everything the left does promotes …. ugliness.

    There is sublime beauty in traditional organic arrangements--man, woman, child; our literature, traditions, religion, culture; masculinity/femininity; family. Maybe a bunch of it is "middlebrow" or even cloying, but it's there.

    But everything the left pushes forward and makes us genuflect to--homos, trannies, lesbians, bureaucracy, crappy "literature", obscenity, piercings and ugly anti-feminine styles, miscegenation propaganda, anachronistic minorities, tedious language, bullying speech codes, Somalis … on and on and on. A parade of ugliness.

    hey, there are many hot Somali women, whom only a gay dude would consider ugly.

    But maybe you are gay, in spite of everything.

    I am not sure if you are an Evelyn Waugh fan or more of a Charlus-style Foucault fan.

    If you yourself are not sure, go for Waugh, he has more in common with Wodehouse.

  170. @syonredux

    Franzetta’s figures have lots of muscles, but his proportions are more normal than Leyendecker’s.
     
    Frazetta....He was more about heavy-metal style impact....He lacked Leyendecker's aesthetic sensibilities....

    He also had a tendency to overemphasize the female bum...often to a rather tacky degree....

    Most importantly, Franzetta’s figures have masculine faces to go with their muscular bodies.
     
    In many cases, borderline ugly....



    http://img03.deviantart.net/5463/i/2012/100/b/5/realistic_frazetta_conan_by_sdsfx-d4vq3tt.jpg

    Frazetta was quite versatile. For example, he was an excellent caricaturist.
    http://www.heavymetal.com/news/13-screwball-comedy-movie-posters-by-frank-frazetta/

  171. @ACommenter
    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn't though.

    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn’t though.

    Maybe I didn’t phrase that correctly….The gals in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker the artist….which is to say, they love his art.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Dude, it's obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don't have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we're all anonymous anyway.
  172. @Alfa158
    “Wokeness” logically has to be a lower IQ movement than Leftist movements up to the 196o’s. Up to that era, it was still possible for very bright people to postulate that races, cultures and sexes were inherently equal, that a collectivized civilization could achieve universal happiness and equality in outcomes, and so forth. After half a century of enacting programs to try those ideas and failing, the ideas can only still be clung to by people who have self-lobotomized themselves in order to get rid of the potential for committing CrimeThink.
    You aren’t going to be seeing any more John Kenneth Galbraiths or Bertrand Russells on the Left. From here on out it’s going to be Tennessee Coates’ and Sarah Jeongs all the way down.

    The world’s experiment with Communism was tried and failed faster than our present trials to achieve the promised land of maximal diversity while “closing the gap” in performance & outcomes between the races.

    Unfortunately our present experiment won’t likely collapse before repressions have been increased in order to redouble efforts.

    When non-white children who already make up the majority of that cohort finally come of voting age, they can finally declare “victory” for diversity and demand payment of tribute & reparations from the stale, pale whitemales, for all their historic sins, real or exaggerated.

  173. @Tyrion 2
    Anyone in London want to start one of these with me? I could probably persuade a somewhat sympathetic friend of mine to host it.

    Can you find at least 10 righteous people there? If not, then RUN! And don’t look back.

  174. @Anonymous
    The white baby in the first picture looks scared. Is he on the menu?

    Swift did suggest several recipes to try.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  175. @syonredux

    I understand that they’re stylized.
     
    Good. Another hyper-stylized painter that I've always liked is El Greco:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QTPZtyMrLT0/TXlmjmXK_5I/AAAAAAAACoA/xT6yO_AJ1iQ/s1600/greco3.jpg

    https://www.eternels-eclairs.fr/images/peinture/tableaux/el-greco-HD/el-greco-l-evangile-jean.jpg

    Elongation! Those fingers!

  176. OMG that is surely the most disappointing Thanksgiving spread ever depicted – that dark loaf of bread looks disturbingly familiar to one who frequently walks the sidewalks of L.A..

    BTW, I doubt most white Americans are thinking of Indians and Pilgrims on this day – rather most are probably just subliminally grateful they don’t live in a shithole country (yet) or (worse) on that shithole continent (you know the one), and peaceful gatherings among friends and family with abundant clean food in comfortable and hospitable shelter and very little Ebola or beheadings, are still the rule, not the exception.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  177. @syonredux
    All the girls in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker.....but rather indifferent to Rockwell....

    http://www.scottmcd.net/artanalysis/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Leyendecker-Arrow.jpg

    German Expressionist Max Beckmann has a similar (earlier 1920s) version of a couple at the opera – except there’s a balcony instead of staircase. Unfortunately I cannot find an image of it. But the point is that “Cuffs and ruffs” starkly illuminated in the dark is in common with the Dutch Masters Rembrandt and Hals for example. Beckmann’s self-portrait kind of conveys his style (not commercially viable like Leyendecker, but similar nonetheless):

    And Caravaggio developed his own spin on lighting technique that still has influence:

    Who does the roughly contemporaneous beach scene better? Beckmann (“degenerate”) or Japonaise/pre-Raphaelite influenced James McNeil Whistler? Your call.

    Perhaps an SJW screeching “cultural appropriation” is actually their “Eureka!!” moment! Borrowing and building is what art is, for crying out loud!

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Your "Caravaggio" is in fact a painting by Adam de Coster who may, or may not, have been influenced by Caravaggio.

    It's an obvious idea after all.

    Oh, and Whistler beats that degenerate German by a mile.
  178. @Hhsiii
    That’s why I’m doing an 8 lb capon. Also enormous. Next time I may practice during the year to see if I can do a balllotine. Debone, make darkmeat into a forcemeat, roll it and tie it up.

    This year just roasting with a regular gravy and a bourbon mushroom cream sauce. Stuffing. Just Arnold store bought but I’ll throw in some sage from the garden. Growing like a weed anyway. Oyster pan roast. String beans with ham hock and white vinegar. Yams with marshmallow. Yeah I know. Will throw some bourbon in there too.

    My sister in Brooklyn will be having a Rockwell kitsch gathering. Indian husband, daughter with black boyfriend. Other daughter with Jewish boy friend (war correspondent Matt Rosenberg). I hear Max Boot may stop by.

    My gathering is just a pallid group of pale faces.

    I have not seen capons for sale in my regular grocery stores for quite a few years.  Are they unpopular, or am I going wrong?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    A few places in Manhattan but not common.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11/23/08/6549404-6420943-image-a-10_1542963570239.jpg

    This one has the right reaction:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11/23/11/6549400-6420943-Another_hapless_baby_trussed_up_like_a_turkey_for_the_celebratio-a-23_1542972659946.jpg
  179. @syonredux

    ironic cause Lyndecker was a quite gay.. his painter brother wasn’t though.
     
    Maybe I didn't phrase that correctly....The gals in my conservative study group are mad about Leyendecker the artist....which is to say, they love his art.

    Dude, it’s obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don’t have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we’re all anonymous anyway.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Dude, it’s obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don’t have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we’re all anonymous anyway.
     
    I should certainly hope that my love for Leyendecker's art is obvious...




    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tjUDnRUdU_I/U4o_8ZJEZII/AAAAAAAAty0/aIli5Pd7MaY/s1600/leyendecker2.jpg
  180. @Mr. Rational
    I have not seen capons for sale in my regular grocery stores for quite a few years.  Are they unpopular, or am I going wrong?

    A few places in Manhattan but not common.

  181. @Anon
    Dude, it's obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don't have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we're all anonymous anyway.

    Dude, it’s obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don’t have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we’re all anonymous anyway.

    I should certainly hope that my love for Leyendecker’s art is obvious…

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Well, I love his illustrations. Very F. Scott Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald's contemporaries did say he looked like the man in the Arrow Collar ads.
  182. @SunBakedSuburb
    Milton Seltzer in a sombrero.

    LOL! Thank you for memories! He was a great actor – excellent in a couple of “Twilight Zone” episodes!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPomprYSd_o
  183. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    English painter David Hockney is convinced that most of the great painters of the past used camera obscura projection systems. Most researchers are skeptical in general, but admit that Ingres, the early 19th Century proto-photorealist painter might be a candidate.

    Hockney has been refuted multiple times. (See Art Renewal Org) Any classically trained artist, Rockwell included could draw without a projector. Hockney couldn’t because he never had classical training.

    Rockwell used a projector for speed – to transfer his charcoal renderings to canvas because time was literally money. He also used photographs because models coulnt’ hold the poses and it was saved money –

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Rockwell auditioned people from his town who looked right for the roles. Photos allowed them to go back to work instead of posing for many days/
  184. @syonredux

    Dude, it’s obvious that you really love his illustrations. You don’t have to be coy about it just because the illustrations are homoerotic and all. Nobody here is going to judge you about it, and we’re all anonymous anyway.
     
    I should certainly hope that my love for Leyendecker's art is obvious...




    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tjUDnRUdU_I/U4o_8ZJEZII/AAAAAAAAty0/aIli5Pd7MaY/s1600/leyendecker2.jpg

    Well, I love his illustrations. Very F. Scott Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald’s contemporaries did say he looked like the man in the Arrow Collar ads.

  185. @syonredux

    What’s a conservative study group?
     
    A safe space for the un-WOKE. I've been running one at my uni for the last several years. Some of the members are my students; others are friends of members. We get together 1-3 times a week (schedules permitting) and discuss dangerous stuff: Pinker's The Blank Slate, Murray's The Bell Curve, Goldberg's Why Men Rule, etc. We also engage with conservative literature and film: Lovecraft's fiction, John Ford's My Darling Clementine, Powell and Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale, Pope's Dunciad, Wharton's Age of Innocence, etc.

    Membership has steadily grown (20 people this semester, which is nearing the limit that I can manage), and the sex ratio has hit 50/50 (we skewed heavily male the first few semesters).

    syonredux:

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

     

    Is there such a thing as Overton defenestration?
    , @syonredux

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?
     
    Nope. It's invitation only, and all the members are thoroughly vetted.
  186. @Dan Hayes
    syonredux:

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

    Is there such a thing as Overton defenestration?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Is there such a thing as Overton defenestration?
     
    Yes, but only if the meetings are held above the first floor.
  187. @ACommenter
    Hockney has been refuted multiple times. (See Art Renewal Org) Any classically trained artist, Rockwell included could draw without a projector. Hockney couldn't because he never had classical training.

    Rockwell used a projector for speed - to transfer his charcoal renderings to canvas because time was literally money. He also used photographs because models coulnt' hold the poses and it was saved money -

    Rockwell auditioned people from his town who looked right for the roles. Photos allowed them to go back to work instead of posing for many days/

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    Here is one of my late aunts, who grew up in New Rochelle next door to Rockwell:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=norman+rockwell+girl+and+boys+swimming+hole&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ydRzMNt63Fm8xM%253A%252CBYdRdq1EIqTaEM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRKbnH7YGWcKlmmWRxkhEsAV_q8yA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj24rTrsereAhXmY98KHRlXBG8Q9QEwAXoECAYQBg#imgrc=ydRzMNt63Fm8xM:
  188. @Dan Hayes
    syonredux:

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?

    Nope. It’s invitation only, and all the members are thoroughly vetted.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    syonredux:

    Still be careful. I am thinking about the Jewish Alt Right radiologist at a NYC hospital whose anti PC sins were uncovered after relentless detective work.
    , @Bubba
    Congratulations on the study group and I hope it succeeds without doxxing and interference from rabid PC Maoists (profs and TA's) and their black booted thuggish comrades - the nameless bureaucrats of the administration.

    Good luck!
  189. @syonredux

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?
     
    Nope. It's invitation only, and all the members are thoroughly vetted.

    syonredux:

    Still be careful. I am thinking about the Jewish Alt Right radiologist at a NYC hospital whose anti PC sins were uncovered after relentless detective work.

  190. @Ripple Earthdevil
    OT: Our host and any other Steves out there will especially find the names of the protagonists amusing:

    Stephon Clark's brother to run for Sacramento mayor

    SACRAMENTO (KRON) - Stevante Clark wants to make a change after his brother was fatally shot by police earlier this year.

    The 25-year-old is now running for mayor of Sacramento and says he’s focused on making his hometown more safe.

    His brother, Stephon Clark, was shot to death by Sacramento police while unarmed in his grandmother’s backyard.

    The March killing ignited intense protests in Sacramento and across the country.

    Some have questioned Stevante’s mental stability. His reaction was a very public grappling with grief after Clark has a second brother killed.

    More:

    https://www.kron4.com/news/california/stephon-clark-s-brother-to-run-for-sacramento-mayor/1611594471

    [Stevante]’s focused on making his hometown more safe.

    I would argue that the death of his brother has made Sacramento more safe.

    I find it odd that the same family would have brothers named Stevante and Stephon.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  191. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces …

    Anon, your visual assessments of Leyendecker’s figures—both male and female—don’t hold up, beyond the obvious fact that the figures are stylized to some extent. First off, the men: You seem to be equating good looks, hale health, and grooming with feminine beauty. There is nothing feminine (nor effeminate) about his male subjects—most have square, angular faces and many seem to have a dangerous brutish capability in reserve, tempered by their civilized comportment and accoutrements. Except for Leyendecker’s intentionally comedic illustrations, the men generally appear of serious character rather than being frivolous or mere ‘pretty’ ciphers.

    Your comment about the staircase couple is blind—the woman is clearly feminine in both face and figure, sensuously so—half orgasmic even, her gracile visage melting slightly in dreamy reaction to something off frame. The man, by contrast, coolly observes the same scene, standing straight rather than languidly descending, his square jaw closed in nonchalant assessment. If an SJW wanted to convince people that there is no compelling (and complementary) difference between the sexes, this picture sure ain’t it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I never said that the woman wasn't feminine, or that Leyendecker's male figures are wholly feminine. That's my point: Leyendecker's male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect. His poses are often incongruously feminine too. Here are two football players, otherwise masculine figures, comporting themselves like a woman or homosexual might. The first one looks like he's about to sass someone, and the second is sitting and holding his legs like a bashful girl - no manspreading for him.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Leyendecker_Drawing.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Leyendecker_Football.jpg

  192. @Steve Sailer
    Rockwell auditioned people from his town who looked right for the roles. Photos allowed them to go back to work instead of posing for many days/
    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  193. @syonredux
    WOKE AF


    http://www.wilgafney.com/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Harmonia-Rosales-Creation-of-Adam.jpg

    Retitled: Chain Migration.

  194. @Anonymous
    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker's male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker's illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow. Tom of Finland's drawings produce a similar effect, though of course it's even more blatant. This is in contrast to Rockwell's hyperrealism.

    Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces coupled with exaggerated proportions like long limbs and oversized hands. This is why Leyendecker’s illustrations strike one as being slightly off somehow.

    Take a look at Josef Newgarden (the indycar driver).

    Is that … Haven Monahan?

  195. @Tyrion 2
    They're not stupid and they're not ruining the news.

    Crucial reporting from the BBC:

    A university student says she's received marriage offers after rolling her eyes at Nigel Farage on TV.

    A clip of Harriet Ellis looking less than impressed while sitting behind the former UKIP leader during a Channel 4 Brexit debate went viral on Monday.

    The 21-year-old says she's since been swamped with messages of support - with people calling her a "hero".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46109281

    A university student says she’s received marriage offers after rolling her eyes at Nigel Farage on TV.

    Something tells me she turned these hypothetical suitors down. Just a hunch.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  196. @Currahee
    My wife and daughter insist upon watching This Is Us, over my objections.

    What a pile of tendentious pc nonsense.

    Anyhow, I have commented frequently on the lack of a homo character.

    Well, last episode, the twelvish Negro daughter confided that she was gay.

    Really!

    (...and, don't bother watching).

    Never heard of the show or the stupid woke twats in the article, but thanks for the warning.

  197. @YetAnotherAnon
    To be fair to her, she's rooting for her children in a sense. She's switched tribes and is rooting for 'her lot'.

    But will she demand that the people who look after her investments (she earns $20m a year) 'look like America'?

    Grey's Anatomy creator/writer Shonda Rhimes, an impressive character, seems to be a bit of a sister-figure. She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

    She had a baby via surrogate a year before Ms Pompeo did. Maybe Ms Pompeo encouraged her to lose 117 pounds in return.

    To, you know, get rid of those extra pregnancy pounds.

  198. @Reg Cæsar

    If so, how have you avoided defenestration by those PC arbiters?

     

    Is there such a thing as Overton defenestration?

    Is there such a thing as Overton defenestration?

    Yes, but only if the meetings are held above the first floor.

  199. @Corvinus
    Walt Whitman was wise.

    http://www.graphicwitness.org/ineye/winter31.htm

    And a better artist than any of his current SJW fans, sadly.

  200. @The Alarmist
    What is she serving them? Aren't they worthy of at least a turkey?

    Tofurkey.
    Yep.

    In yet another aspect of modern life that would make the Fuhrer cry, the animal rights and veggie-eating fanatics are also almost universally left-wing.

    I’d go further and argue that vegetables aren’t optimal for health; as Sailer discovered in another article, Suzanne Sommers and Dr Atkins are being inreasingly proven right by scientific studies, and low carb diets are showing improvements for many. Animal fats and protein are easier to digest by themselves, and help keep sugar levels down, which is good for livers, arteries, colons, teeth, skin, body weight (digesting fat and not carbs reduces body fat and extra water weight), and even brains (which is mostly cholesterol and fat, lest we forget). Also, environmental studies show that animal agriculture is at most 5-10% causal of climate change (if it does exist), and that reclaiming pasture land is relatively better for the ecosystem than massive monocrop fields where machinery kills all small animals (of course, pasture being good and all as long as enough forest cover in other areas remain). Not to mention, the cattle and meat-processing industries employ more people, and historically has employed the working class whites this blog loves. They might not be trying to replace them with Hispanics if sales picked up… True, meat is pricier, but it is more filling (maybe eating 1-2 meals a day), so the cost kind of evens out over time; also, health can get quite better, therefore less meds and doctor visits. Meanwhile it is common for vegans to attempt more than 3 meals a day full of diverse exotic grains and veggies, and still feel hungry and lacking in vitamins that can’t be as easily absorbed, even when supplementing iron and B12…

    Even furthermore (and going into conspiracy preacher mode, but bear with me), I see the vegan treehugger wing of the left brewing a full-scale movement to replace animal food, which will invariably be a govcorp powergrab, between the few but rich agribusiness farmers, the tech elite that wants to sell artificial lab meat, the doctors and big pharma that want to keep you on statins and heart surgeries, and the gov bureaucrats that want cheap carb-full food for school lunches to pacify and mold the youth according to their wishes… the Rockwell reimagining this post mocks is proof of concept of that leftwing utopian fantasy I just described.

    Obviously there’s much more to lowcarb diets. Talk to your doctor and all that, go slowly, check your health and conditions before trying… but I recommend looking into the subject if interested. Not just the Petersons and testimonials of youtubers, but also scientists such as @paleomedicina on twitter. It’s certainly interesting, at the very least.

    Or, if this is sounds like too much diet propagandizing, I’d invite you all to look into vegan activism, and notice both its virulent anarcholeftism (to the point they use the logo in reverse, a la V for Vendetta… yet again) and enormous amounts of trollvangelizing online, putting most keyboard warriors of any stripe to shame. Go start a discussion with one on twitter, it might last days and you will get jumped by 5 at least (and yes, many Peta goreporn vids and debunkable studies and factoids will be hurled your way).

  201. @syonredux

    What’s a conservative study group?
     
    A safe space for the un-WOKE. I've been running one at my uni for the last several years. Some of the members are my students; others are friends of members. We get together 1-3 times a week (schedules permitting) and discuss dangerous stuff: Pinker's The Blank Slate, Murray's The Bell Curve, Goldberg's Why Men Rule, etc. We also engage with conservative literature and film: Lovecraft's fiction, John Ford's My Darling Clementine, Powell and Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale, Pope's Dunciad, Wharton's Age of Innocence, etc.

    Membership has steadily grown (20 people this semester, which is nearing the limit that I can manage), and the sex ratio has hit 50/50 (we skewed heavily male the first few semesters).

    How is Wharton dangerous?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    How is Wharton dangerous?
     
    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.
  202. https://www.nrm.org/2012/09/rockwell-and-realism-in-an-abstract-world/

    Rockwell was working at a time when he and other figurative painters like Andrew Wyeth were criticized for their predilection for visual storytelling.[…]. Clement Greenberg, one of the most vocal critics of the period and a champion of Pollock and other New York School artists, set the conversation’s terms. He argued for aesthetic complexities and challenges of abstract art while protesting the cheapened kitsch culture that he felt dominated America. In Greenberg’s lexicon, Rockwell’s illustrations were kitsch, popular accessible artworks that appealed to the masses. When such popular forms become the dominant taste, Greenberg argued, the high arts are challenged to flourish and survive―a danger in a society as populist and commercial as the United States

    Rockwell’s The Art Critic

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/rockwell-modernism-case-art-critic

    And for Rockwell, for whom narrative—the story!—was always the center of any picture, the modern clearly was a radical departure. For one principle on which the modernist project is strongly based is the idea that the work of art is and must be seen as a work of art. It’s not a woman, it’s a flat surface with color on it. […] This doctrine of flatness was theoretically expressed by Clement Greenberg in his famous essay “Modernist Painting” (and elsewhere) a few years after Rockwell completed “The Art Critic.”nsofar as we think of the young man in Rockwell’s picture as a modernist artist, we should charitably assume that he eschews hypocrisy, and looks as he preaches: he’s not looking at a necklace; he’s certainly not looking at cleavage. Cleavage would be an illusory representation brought about through the denial of flatness! That is, in order to have cleavage, there need to be protrusions from the surface. But on the painting, there are no such protrusions. Only the illusion of them. […] I don’t say that the interpretation that takes the artwork to be more rich is always to be preferred to the interpretation that takes it to be less rich. But other things equal, it certainly should.

  203. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Classic commercial:

    Maxfield Parrish backgrounds with Leyendecker models.

    https://youtu.be/DIIU2JvoMX4?t=12

    Is that where Ralph Lauren (born Lipshitz) got it?

    Does Lauren count as Cultural Appropriation?

  204. @syonredux
    Pope was the better poet.....and he prophesied our current plight.....


    In vain, in vain—the all-composing hour
    Resistless falls; the Muse obeys the power.
    She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
    Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old! 630
    Before her Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
    And all its varying rainbows die away.
    Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
    The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
    As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain, 635
    The sick’ning stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
    As Argus’ eyes, by Hermes’ wand opprest,
    Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
    Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
    Art after Art goes out, and all is night. 640
    See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
    Mountains of casuistry heap’d o’er her head!
    Philosophy, that lean’d on Heaven before,
    Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
    Physic of Metaphysic begs defence, 645
    And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!
    See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
    In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
    Religion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,
    And unawares Morality expires. 650


    Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
    Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
    Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restor’d;
    Light dies before thy uncreating word:
    Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; 655
    And universal Darkness buries all.

    The Dunciad

    I do prefer Whitman’s writing, but Pope was clearly more prescient politically. Of course, Whitman’s poem sounds good at face value. But he was a bit biased for racial equality, he dug black muscles (lol)… and by the same token, I doubt he expected them to be replaced by Honduran ones…

  205. @syonredux
    And speaking of great American illustrators, let's not forget Howard Pyle:

    https://historicist.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/nation-makers1.jpg

    http://bcillustrators.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pyle4.jpg

    I grew up with his Robin Hood.

  206. @Marat
    German Expressionist Max Beckmann has a similar (earlier 1920s) version of a couple at the opera - except there's a balcony instead of staircase. Unfortunately I cannot find an image of it. But the point is that "Cuffs and ruffs" starkly illuminated in the dark is in common with the Dutch Masters Rembrandt and Hals for example. Beckmann's self-portrait kind of conveys his style (not commercially viable like Leyendecker, but similar nonetheless):

    http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-modern/beckmann-self.jpg

    And Caravaggio developed his own spin on lighting technique that still has influence:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Adam_de_Coster_-_A_Man_Singing_by_Candlelight.jpg

    Who does the roughly contemporaneous beach scene better? Beckmann ("degenerate") or Japonaise/pre-Raphaelite influenced James McNeil Whistler? Your call.

    http://omeka.wustl.edu/omeka/files/fullsize/a829560ef63bd10507237dd0ebf17492.jpg

    http://www.denisemtaylor.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/variations-in-blue-and-green-600x458.jpg


    Perhaps an SJW screeching "cultural appropriation" is actually their "Eureka!!" moment! Borrowing and building is what art is, for crying out loud!

    Your “Caravaggio” is in fact a painting by Adam de Coster who may, or may not, have been influenced by Caravaggio.

    It’s an obvious idea after all.

    Oh, and Whistler beats that degenerate German by a mile.

    • Replies: @Marat
    Thanks for the correction! Geez, actually, I was thinking of Georges de la Tour:

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/collections.lacma.org-images/remote_images/ma-151836-WEB.jpg?hg7uWUW5oW7C76XRJcUDqaitc2qIYWU9
  207. Southern Justice (Murder in Mississippi)
    Norman Rockwell
    Date: 1965

  208. @Mr. Rational
    I have not seen capons for sale in my regular grocery stores for quite a few years.  Are they unpopular, or am I going wrong?

    This one has the right reaction:

  209. @roo_ster
    Her kiddos lost any beuaty she had in their iteration. So sad. The father is handsome for a black man, but that is lost on girl children.

    We could draw up a list of gains and losses from this relationship.

    I don’t see many gains long term; the kids are uglier, dumber, and poorer than if she would have married more of a racial peer. But I guess we’re not supposed to notice those things.

  210. @Sean
    Leyendecker’s male bodies are lanky not muscular, that is the way illustrators habitually drew men in the 19th century was rather old fashioned in that. His male figures do have very broad shoulders but apart from that it was nothing unusual for the time. Those bodies with soft faces was also common. eg Michelangelo's David.

    Breker's sculptures of men had very unmasculine faces in many cases. Franzett'a Conan face looks non European because it is so masculine What is is called Nordic looks is feminized looks. North European women are more feminine, so are the men.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST2ifJc981FZqyi2Qp8GIDstRz1zOoMbIbIzBuwW8I8tarCBJIlw

    You’re confusing “masculine” with “simian.”

    • Replies: @Sean
    Facially it is a lot like Franzetta's phizog. The illustration was done as a front cover for a book of Robert E Howard stories in which Conan is described as almost a giant, yet the relative proportions of the Franzetta Conan would make Conan's head and cranium freakishly large. That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta'a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

    “Since the Bronze Age, the brain shrank a lot more than you would expect based on the decrease in body size,” Hawks reports. “For a brain as small as that found in the average European male today, the body would have to shrink to the size of a pygmy” to maintain proportional scaling.
     

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads, which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women. Michelangelo's David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural carriage, but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.
  211. @Old Palo Altan
    Your "Caravaggio" is in fact a painting by Adam de Coster who may, or may not, have been influenced by Caravaggio.

    It's an obvious idea after all.

    Oh, and Whistler beats that degenerate German by a mile.

    Thanks for the correction! Geez, actually, I was thinking of Georges de la Tour:

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Ah! A fine painter, and a good man ... unlike the odious Caravaggio.

    The first would not be at home in today's world, while the second would wallow in it like the pig he was.
  212. @ic1000

    [quoting Sailer:] “For example, using the term 'microaggression' is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.”

    [Corvinus:] Or race realism, for that matter.
     
    Because, like "microaggression," "race realism" is a widespread Thing in mainstream culture. Just as bleating about microaggression wins sympathy, accolades, and prizes, so too does Noticing ancestry-related average performance differences lead to shaming, doxxing, and firing.

    Corvinus often offers ideas after the fashion of Ezra Klein and Matty Glesias, and I think s/he's a sincere cntrl-Left partisan. Then a dumb post serves to remind that this is well-oiled alt-right trollery.

    A classy troll is still a troll.

    “Because, like “microaggression,” “race realism” is a widespread Thing in mainstream culture. ”

    You would be surprised how many normies have not heard of a “microaggression”. Regardless, the point still remains–the use of certain terms is a stupid person’s idea of how to sound smart.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  213. @anon
    The "artist" screwed up in the Rockwell Thanksgiving remake. By showing the guy's entire face in the bottom right, it shifts the focal point of the photo. This combined with the overgrown child aspect of his backwards hat, makes it seem like a KFC ad from the 90's

    They apparently bothered to have models specially photographed (including Obama minion Van Jones) but the result looks like a photoshop collage from free stock images. It reminds one of David Dees, who often does better work without as much effort:

  214. I don’t think anybody has posted any of Leyendecker’s beloved New Year’s babies. Baby to illegal immigrants: “No trespassing.”

  215. @Wilkey
    5. Troll left-wing relatives at every opportunity.

    They were in Houston and Brooklyn. But there’s always FaceTime. Apologies for the repeat. Responded to my own post before.

    They give me some grief for Trump but not too bad. My neocon brother in law does mock Trump Derangement Syndrome so there’s that.

  216. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    OK it’s been said before, but again the 64$ question is when are these stupid lamebrain hypocrites going to stop redlining the irony meter?

    As in ‘yo, Snow White, taken any selfies lately’?
    Till then, shut up while you clean out your desk and scoot.

  217. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    You are being a bit myopic about this. It isn’t confusing once you realize that this is not directed specifically at the artistic content or person of Norman Rockwell — though he certainly holds no SJW immunity, despite being a liberal New England civil-rights Republican — but rather at the elderly “Norman Rockwell generation” who (supposedly) identify so closely with the mass-merchandised instantiation of the illustrator’s vision. It has nothing to do with aesthetic merits, lol. Because SJWs are lowbrow they only know lowbrow history fed to them by junk-food media. They are like dumb ghetto hoods who suppose a random neighborhood resident with the last name “Bloomberg” must have a lot of money stashed in his house, because of the TV channel, so they are gonna rob the place. There’s no critique of Rockwellian art per se, this is far more atavistic. The Badwhites from way back when were “with” this visual style. So we gon’ jack it.

    That being said… there’s a huge Poe’s Law opportunity here — assuming the current hilariously bad photoshops are not in fact already a false-flag op by 4chan or Twitter deplorables.

  218. @Harry Baldwin
    the only things wrong with Rockwell’s pictures are not enough representation of People of Color

    And on film crews as well.

    Ellen Pompeo stopped an interview cold to complain about the lack of ethnic minorities in the crew shooting the piece, saying doing so was the duty of all white people “in every single room we walk into.”

    The actress who plays the titular character in “Grey’s Anatomy” said that she was happy to see so many women for the interview by Net-A-Porter magazine for its Women in Television issue.

    “But, I don’t see enough color. And I didn’t see enough color when I walked in the room today,” she said, according to video clips posted by numerous news outlets as the interview went viral this week.

    Ms. Pompeo also said this was not the first time she had made a similar demand for a crew that looks like America.

    “I had a meeting with the director of another endorsement project that I’m doing, and I said, ‘You know, when I show up on set, I would like to see the crew look like the world that I walk around in every day,’” she said.

    While actresses Gabrielle Union, Emma Roberts and Gina Rodriquez sat alongside her on the stage, Ms. Pompeo concluded that every production has to have ethnic representation similar to her own life and that all white people take such demands everywhere in life.

    “I think it’s up to all productions to make sure your crew looks like the world we see. As Caucasian people, it’s our job. It’s our task. It’s our responsibility to make sure we speak up in every single room that we walk into.”
     
    So brave!

    Yesterday Ellen Pompeo just downloaded the Build 11-2018 Vibrant Season patch for her NPC manners firmware. It’s better to sign up to be a beta tester so you don’t miss the bandwagon.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  219. @Marat
    Thanks for the correction! Geez, actually, I was thinking of Georges de la Tour:

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/collections.lacma.org-images/remote_images/ma-151836-WEB.jpg?hg7uWUW5oW7C76XRJcUDqaitc2qIYWU9

    Ah! A fine painter, and a good man … unlike the odious Caravaggio.

    The first would not be at home in today’s world, while the second would wallow in it like the pig he was.

  220. @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, the original cast iron lawn jockeys used to bring some big bucks at the flea market, now most get a white washing. There is a line of LJs in Saratoga Springs, one for each of the Stakes Race winner.

    There is a line of LJs in Saratoga Springs, one for each of the Stakes Race winner.

    Can’t have nuthin’ nice anymore!

    Search Is On For Culprits That Placed Confederate Flags On Lawn Jockeys At National Museum Of Racing

  221. @Bubba
    You're right Buzz and I will update my pink flamingoes with this modern diversity piece:

    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfae/files/styles/x_large/public/201510/sleeping_mexican.jpg

    Kinky Friedman on Jesus’s last message to the Mexicans:

    “Don’t do anything till I get back.”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational, Bubba
  222. @Rosamond Vincy
    How is Wharton dangerous?

    How is Wharton dangerous?

    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    How is Wharton dangerous?
     
    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.
     
    And she shares a name with the alma mater of a certain president.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Don't know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He's definitely a social climber, but he's disgusted by the way Lily's "well-bred" friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.

    Possibly because I read GWTW at an impressionable age, I see Selden as Mirth's Ashley Wilkes: never being there when he's needed; warning the heroine about the bad influences about her, but offering no alternative; ignoring the destructive potential of his own social circle: in short, possessing very few of the noble virtues the heroine projects onto him.

    Rosedale isn't exactly Rhett Butler, but he is there when Lily could use help, offers her alternatives she rejects, and he's never a hypocrite about his ambitions.

  223. It’s kind of like if the cutting edge attitude were that the aesthetic weakness of Dogs Playing Poker is the insufficient representation of mongrels, bitches, and cats.

    Both Antwerp and Philadelphia can claim Cassius Marcellus Coolidge as the greatest artist they produced.

  224. @syonredux

    How is Wharton dangerous?
     
    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.

    How is Wharton dangerous?

    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.

    And she shares a name with the alma mater of a certain president.

  225. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Notice how the faces of the man and woman are basically the same. Leyendecker’s male subjects have these feminized faces …
     
    Anon, your visual assessments of Leyendecker’s figures—both male and female—don’t hold up, beyond the obvious fact that the figures are stylized to some extent. First off, the men: You seem to be equating good looks, hale health, and grooming with feminine beauty. There is nothing feminine (nor effeminate) about his male subjects—most have square, angular faces and many seem to have a dangerous brutish capability in reserve, tempered by their civilized comportment and accoutrements. Except for Leyendecker’s intentionally comedic illustrations, the men generally appear of serious character rather than being frivolous or mere ‘pretty’ ciphers.

    Your comment about the staircase couple is blind—the woman is clearly feminine in both face and figure, sensuously so—half orgasmic even, her gracile visage melting slightly in dreamy reaction to something off frame. The man, by contrast, coolly observes the same scene, standing straight rather than languidly descending, his square jaw closed in nonchalant assessment. If an SJW wanted to convince people that there is no compelling (and complementary) difference between the sexes, this picture sure ain’t it.

    I never said that the woman wasn’t feminine, or that Leyendecker’s male figures are wholly feminine. That’s my point: Leyendecker’s male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect. His poses are often incongruously feminine too. Here are two football players, otherwise masculine figures, comporting themselves like a woman or homosexual might. The first one looks like he’s about to sass someone, and the second is sitting and holding his legs like a bashful girl – no manspreading for him.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I never said that the woman wasn’t feminine, or that Leyendecker’s male figures are wholly feminine. That’s my point: Leyendecker’s male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect.
     
    Bit more complicated than that.....In Leyendecker's best work, the homoerotic is sublimated/aestheticized....

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/70/0d/9d700d395dc5db490e944cacf9fecb89.jpg

    https://factsprovidence.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/tumblr_ng7datvvtn1qcpt9eo1_1280.jpg


    http://tinaperlmutter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ldpg102.jpg


    https://pulpcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/25996792-5619130637_72d8941fa8_o.jpg
    , @syonredux
    http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/michelangelo/giuliano.jpg
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:

    https://rococorubiesinhopscotchhats.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/j-c-leyendecker-2.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/6f/be/fd6fbe986b785678ff0b2a3bc48b9aaa.jpg

    https://lucasmuseum.org/img/work/leyendecker_football_players_and.jpg

    an incongruous, unsettling effect
     
    I’m not bothered by his physical stylization—large hands, strange proportions or whatever—but I do agree that when he veers into the overt homo stuff the content is off-putting, but to me it has nothing do with his technique and overall eye, which is—to borrow Sailer’s term—“astonishing” (in a good way).
  226. @syonredux

    What’s a conservative study group?
     
    A safe space for the un-WOKE. I've been running one at my uni for the last several years. Some of the members are my students; others are friends of members. We get together 1-3 times a week (schedules permitting) and discuss dangerous stuff: Pinker's The Blank Slate, Murray's The Bell Curve, Goldberg's Why Men Rule, etc. We also engage with conservative literature and film: Lovecraft's fiction, John Ford's My Darling Clementine, Powell and Pressburger's A Canterbury Tale, Pope's Dunciad, Wharton's Age of Innocence, etc.

    Membership has steadily grown (20 people this semester, which is nearing the limit that I can manage), and the sex ratio has hit 50/50 (we skewed heavily male the first few semesters).

    syonredux, you sound like a very hip prof. We had a prof at our local state university who tried a Christian study group, and I think he had some success attracting students. Not so much with his colleagues, who dismissed him as a religious zealot. He had a knack for inserting himself into campus controversy where he was obviously outmatched, and pretty much tripped over himself trying to offer a Christian understanding of things.

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?
     
    Some of them are my students/former students. I have a reputation on campus for being a traditionalist, emphasizing close reading over theory. That attracts a certain type of student, usually someone who is turned-off by all the instructors who view literature as somehow secondary to the likes of Derrida and Foucault. Over the course of a semester, I'll get a sense as to which of my students might be suitable for membership (Sometimes none of them are), and extend an invitation. Mind you, I have to be really certain about the student at that point, as the mere act of inviting someone to the group makes me vulnerable....

    Others make their way into the group after being recommended by people that I trust.
  227. Steve, progressives may be trying to make these retconned Norman Rockwells “edgy” or “ironic” or something, but I see them as the triumph of assimilation over multiculturalism. They’re popular because, by and large, minorities and immigrants to the USA want to live like white people.

    Large scale immigration to western countries has been going on for a couple of decades now. Lefties dream immigrants will lead to the downfall of The System and replacement by multicultural gender fluid Marxist communes. Actual immigrants dream of a shopping mall where everyone’s credit card is accepted equally, regardless of race or creed.

  228. @syonredux

    How is Wharton dangerous?
     
    According to the SJW commissars, she was racist, classist, and anti-Semitic.

    Don’t know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He’s definitely a social climber, but he’s disgusted by the way Lily’s “well-bred” friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.

    Possibly because I read GWTW at an impressionable age, I see Selden as Mirth’s Ashley Wilkes: never being there when he’s needed; warning the heroine about the bad influences about her, but offering no alternative; ignoring the destructive potential of his own social circle: in short, possessing very few of the noble virtues the heroine projects onto him.

    Rosedale isn’t exactly Rhett Butler, but he is there when Lily could use help, offers her alternatives she rejects, and he’s never a hypocrite about his ambitions.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Don’t know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He’s definitely a social climber, but he’s disgusted by the way Lily’s “well-bred” friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.
     
    SJWs don't understand ambiguity......

    As for her racial attitudes, most of the attacks that I have encountered have to do with comments in her letters and diaries.
  229. @Rosamond Vincy
    Don't know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He's definitely a social climber, but he's disgusted by the way Lily's "well-bred" friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.

    Possibly because I read GWTW at an impressionable age, I see Selden as Mirth's Ashley Wilkes: never being there when he's needed; warning the heroine about the bad influences about her, but offering no alternative; ignoring the destructive potential of his own social circle: in short, possessing very few of the noble virtues the heroine projects onto him.

    Rosedale isn't exactly Rhett Butler, but he is there when Lily could use help, offers her alternatives she rejects, and he's never a hypocrite about his ambitions.

    Don’t know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He’s definitely a social climber, but he’s disgusted by the way Lily’s “well-bred” friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.

    SJWs don’t understand ambiguity……

    As for her racial attitudes, most of the attacks that I have encountered have to do with comments in her letters and diaries.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I guess I don't understand throwing out an author's entire oevre because of unlikable character traits. Alcott, Charlotte Bronte, Lewis Carroll, Colette, and Thackeray all had prejudices of one kind or another. I can see bringing them up for discussion if you're teaching them, but not banning them from the literary Canon.

    Of course, the SJWs hate the existence of a Canon to begin with. They want to replace it with things like I am Jazz, The Kite Runner, and so on, but even the replacements are replaceable--witness the current objections to Eve Ensler, who dominated SJW discourse in the previous decade.
  230. @Anonymous
    I never said that the woman wasn't feminine, or that Leyendecker's male figures are wholly feminine. That's my point: Leyendecker's male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect. His poses are often incongruously feminine too. Here are two football players, otherwise masculine figures, comporting themselves like a woman or homosexual might. The first one looks like he's about to sass someone, and the second is sitting and holding his legs like a bashful girl - no manspreading for him.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Leyendecker_Drawing.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Leyendecker_Football.jpg

    I never said that the woman wasn’t feminine, or that Leyendecker’s male figures are wholly feminine. That’s my point: Leyendecker’s male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect.

    Bit more complicated than that…..In Leyendecker’s best work, the homoerotic is sublimated/aestheticized….

  231. @JackOH
    syonredux, you sound like a very hip prof. We had a prof at our local state university who tried a Christian study group, and I think he had some success attracting students. Not so much with his colleagues, who dismissed him as a religious zealot. He had a knack for inserting himself into campus controversy where he was obviously outmatched, and pretty much tripped over himself trying to offer a Christian understanding of things.

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?

    Some of them are my students/former students. I have a reputation on campus for being a traditionalist, emphasizing close reading over theory. That attracts a certain type of student, usually someone who is turned-off by all the instructors who view literature as somehow secondary to the likes of Derrida and Foucault. Over the course of a semester, I’ll get a sense as to which of my students might be suitable for membership (Sometimes none of them are), and extend an invitation. Mind you, I have to be really certain about the student at that point, as the mere act of inviting someone to the group makes me vulnerable….

    Others make their way into the group after being recommended by people that I trust.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    syonredux, thanks!

    I think you may have given a few readers here some good notion of "ideas management" or "ideas nurturing".
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    I like have liked to join a study group like that over the course of my undergrad. I’ve been nurturing a burning hatred of “critical theory” for some time now...
  232. @syonredux

    Don’t know about her racism, but she was ruthlessly critical of her own class.

    As for antisemitism, Rosedale in House of Mirth is an ambiguous figure. He’s definitely a social climber, but he’s disgusted by the way Lily’s “well-bred” friends completely cut her off for seeming to do what Bertha has actually done.
     
    SJWs don't understand ambiguity......

    As for her racial attitudes, most of the attacks that I have encountered have to do with comments in her letters and diaries.

    I guess I don’t understand throwing out an author’s entire oevre because of unlikable character traits. Alcott, Charlotte Bronte, Lewis Carroll, Colette, and Thackeray all had prejudices of one kind or another. I can see bringing them up for discussion if you’re teaching them, but not banning them from the literary Canon.

    Of course, the SJWs hate the existence of a Canon to begin with. They want to replace it with things like I am Jazz, The Kite Runner, and so on, but even the replacements are replaceable–witness the current objections to Eve Ensler, who dominated SJW discourse in the previous decade.

  233. @Anonymous
    Someone once told me something similar about Dante Gabriel Rossetti: that his young women look alarmingly like young men in drag.

    Once seen it can't be unseen.

  234. @Anonymous
    I never said that the woman wasn't feminine, or that Leyendecker's male figures are wholly feminine. That's my point: Leyendecker's male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect. His poses are often incongruously feminine too. Here are two football players, otherwise masculine figures, comporting themselves like a woman or homosexual might. The first one looks like he's about to sass someone, and the second is sitting and holding his legs like a bashful girl - no manspreading for him.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Leyendecker_Drawing.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Leyendecker_Football.jpg

  235. @Bubba
    LOL! Thank you for memories! He was a great actor - excellent in a couple of "Twilight Zone" episodes!

    http://www.twilightzonemuseum.com/actors/memoriam/images/selzer_obituary.jpg

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Definitely one of my top five "Twilight Zone" episodes. Thanks! You got me to look it up again and I didn't realize until now that this episode was directed by Ida Lupino. She was extremely talented - a successful director, writer and actress.
  236. @Anonymous
    I never said that the woman wasn't feminine, or that Leyendecker's male figures are wholly feminine. That's my point: Leyendecker's male figures combine feminine aspects, like feminine faces, with exaggerated masculine ones, square jaws, broad shoulders, large hands, etc., to produce an incongruous, unsettling effect. His poses are often incongruously feminine too. Here are two football players, otherwise masculine figures, comporting themselves like a woman or homosexual might. The first one looks like he's about to sass someone, and the second is sitting and holding his legs like a bashful girl - no manspreading for him.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Leyendecker_Drawing.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Leyendecker_Football.jpg

    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:

    an incongruous, unsettling effect

    I’m not bothered by his physical stylization—large hands, strange proportions or whatever—but I do agree that when he veers into the overt homo stuff the content is off-putting, but to me it has nothing do with his technique and overall eye, which is—to borrow Sailer’s term—“astonishing” (in a good way).

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:
     
    With homo-erotically inclined artists like Leyendecker, it's all a question of balance and control. Properly sublimated and aestheticized, you get a portrait of the ideal gentleman, a perfect combination of elegance and masculine power:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7karQQSqMKk/VSfTGL0lRDI/AAAAAAABUps/3BSsIwbt8EM/s1600/Caught%2Bin%2Bthe%2BAct%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPlan.jpg

    http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/2012/08/530.jpg


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Vjx2dkMI6ec/VSfSJKN-sgI/AAAAAAABUoU/druH2RSuF-Y/s1600/Arrow%2BCollars%2Band%2BShirts%2B10.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/9f/bd/7c9fbd49b4e054dcdece19a384079cc3.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RotKd71nw/VSvQjCGWQ9I/AAAAAAABUu8/IKx2uNiiB4A/s1600/Kuppenheimer%2BClothing%2B14.jpg
  237. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    You’re confusing “masculine” with “simian.”

    Facially it is a lot like Franzetta’s phizog. The illustration was done as a front cover for a book of Robert E Howard stories in which Conan is described as almost a giant, yet the relative proportions of the Franzetta Conan would make Conan’s head and cranium freakishly large. That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta’a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

    “Since the Bronze Age, the brain shrank a lot more than you would expect based on the decrease in body size,” Hawks reports. “For a brain as small as that found in the average European male today, the body would have to shrink to the size of a pygmy” to maintain proportional scaling.

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads, which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women. Michelangelo’s David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural carriage, but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta’a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.
     
    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous.

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads...
     
    As is the convention for granting heroic stature to a human figure in artwork.

    ...which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women
     
    LOL

    Michelangelo’s David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural
    carriage...
     
    Pfft. Try Donatello’s David...

    ...but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.
     
    He has an enormous head (and right hand) because the statue was intended to sit atop the Duomo di Firenze and be viewed from street-level, 262 feet below. ;)
  238. @syonredux

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?
     
    Some of them are my students/former students. I have a reputation on campus for being a traditionalist, emphasizing close reading over theory. That attracts a certain type of student, usually someone who is turned-off by all the instructors who view literature as somehow secondary to the likes of Derrida and Foucault. Over the course of a semester, I'll get a sense as to which of my students might be suitable for membership (Sometimes none of them are), and extend an invitation. Mind you, I have to be really certain about the student at that point, as the mere act of inviting someone to the group makes me vulnerable....

    Others make their way into the group after being recommended by people that I trust.

    syonredux, thanks!

    I think you may have given a few readers here some good notion of “ideas management” or “ideas nurturing”.

  239. @Colin Wright
    '...Every year, 10-15% of admitted students are admitted because their parents or family also went to Harvard...'

    Ah. So absent legacy admissions, no white gentiles would be admitted to Harvard at all?

    It seems to universally assumed that white gentiles are the primary recipients of legacy admissions.

    Since Jews have been a highly disproportionate share of the attendees at these institutions for at least 50 years, two generations, this seems unlikely.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  240. @Sean
    Facially it is a lot like Franzetta's phizog. The illustration was done as a front cover for a book of Robert E Howard stories in which Conan is described as almost a giant, yet the relative proportions of the Franzetta Conan would make Conan's head and cranium freakishly large. That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta'a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

    “Since the Bronze Age, the brain shrank a lot more than you would expect based on the decrease in body size,” Hawks reports. “For a brain as small as that found in the average European male today, the body would have to shrink to the size of a pygmy” to maintain proportional scaling.
     

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads, which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women. Michelangelo's David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural carriage, but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.

    That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta’a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.

    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous.

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads…

    As is the convention for granting heroic stature to a human figure in artwork.

    …which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women

    LOL

    Michelangelo’s David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural
    carriage…

    Pfft. Try Donatello’s David…

    …but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.

    He has an enormous head (and right hand) because the statue was intended to sit atop the Duomo di Firenze and be viewed from street-level, 262 feet below. 😉

    • Replies: @Sean

    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous
     
    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6'6''). The head size makes Franzetta's Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now (although an aproximations were around in the Bronze age Bell Beaker men, who it might be noted, massacred the entire male population of Europe). In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps. Many people bought the book just for Franzetta's cover.

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker's men, I certainly understand why. If that was David, I would not want to see Goliath!

  241. @syonredux

    Can you give us some idea how you invite someone to your group?
     
    Some of them are my students/former students. I have a reputation on campus for being a traditionalist, emphasizing close reading over theory. That attracts a certain type of student, usually someone who is turned-off by all the instructors who view literature as somehow secondary to the likes of Derrida and Foucault. Over the course of a semester, I'll get a sense as to which of my students might be suitable for membership (Sometimes none of them are), and extend an invitation. Mind you, I have to be really certain about the student at that point, as the mere act of inviting someone to the group makes me vulnerable....

    Others make their way into the group after being recommended by people that I trust.

    I like have liked to join a study group like that over the course of my undergrad. I’ve been nurturing a burning hatred of “critical theory” for some time now…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    When I was going through undergrad and for some time thereafter, all we had on campus was the Objectivists.

    Ayn Rand is an interesting study in dogmatism, but not much more really.
  242. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:

    https://rococorubiesinhopscotchhats.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/j-c-leyendecker-2.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/6f/be/fd6fbe986b785678ff0b2a3bc48b9aaa.jpg

    https://lucasmuseum.org/img/work/leyendecker_football_players_and.jpg

    an incongruous, unsettling effect
     
    I’m not bothered by his physical stylization—large hands, strange proportions or whatever—but I do agree that when he veers into the overt homo stuff the content is off-putting, but to me it has nothing do with his technique and overall eye, which is—to borrow Sailer’s term—“astonishing” (in a good way).

    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:

    With homo-erotically inclined artists like Leyendecker, it’s all a question of balance and control. Properly sublimated and aestheticized, you get a portrait of the ideal gentleman, a perfect combination of elegance and masculine power:

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Am I the only one here to find "Kuppenheimer" amusing?

    My English grandfather was what used to be called a "clothes horse". In 1918 his flat caught fire, and the local papers (the locality being New York City) delighted in reporting that the forty year old bachelor had lost two hundred bespoke suits and fifty pairs of handmade shoes.

    I doubt that there were many Kuppenheimers amongst the former.

    Your general point is of course entirely correct, but there are few here who have any conception of what a gentleman is, so any sign of male grace and style can only be interpreted as "effeminacy".
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Agree, with you and Old Palo Altan.
  243. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPomprYSd_o

    Definitely one of my top five “Twilight Zone” episodes. Thanks! You got me to look it up again and I didn’t realize until now that this episode was directed by Ida Lupino. She was extremely talented – a successful director, writer and actress.

  244. @syonredux

    Are the SJW Thought Police aware of your conservative study group?
     
    Nope. It's invitation only, and all the members are thoroughly vetted.

    Congratulations on the study group and I hope it succeeds without doxxing and interference from rabid PC Maoists (profs and TA’s) and their black booted thuggish comrades – the nameless bureaucrats of the administration.

    Good luck!

  245. @syonredux

    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:
     
    With homo-erotically inclined artists like Leyendecker, it's all a question of balance and control. Properly sublimated and aestheticized, you get a portrait of the ideal gentleman, a perfect combination of elegance and masculine power:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7karQQSqMKk/VSfTGL0lRDI/AAAAAAABUps/3BSsIwbt8EM/s1600/Caught%2Bin%2Bthe%2BAct%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPlan.jpg

    http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/2012/08/530.jpg


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Vjx2dkMI6ec/VSfSJKN-sgI/AAAAAAABUoU/druH2RSuF-Y/s1600/Arrow%2BCollars%2Band%2BShirts%2B10.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/9f/bd/7c9fbd49b4e054dcdece19a384079cc3.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RotKd71nw/VSvQjCGWQ9I/AAAAAAABUu8/IKx2uNiiB4A/s1600/Kuppenheimer%2BClothing%2B14.jpg

    Am I the only one here to find “Kuppenheimer” amusing?

    My English grandfather was what used to be called a “clothes horse”. In 1918 his flat caught fire, and the local papers (the locality being New York City) delighted in reporting that the forty year old bachelor had lost two hundred bespoke suits and fifty pairs of handmade shoes.

    I doubt that there were many Kuppenheimers amongst the former.

    Your general point is of course entirely correct, but there are few here who have any conception of what a gentleman is, so any sign of male grace and style can only be interpreted as “effeminacy”.

  246. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    I like have liked to join a study group like that over the course of my undergrad. I’ve been nurturing a burning hatred of “critical theory” for some time now...

    When I was going through undergrad and for some time thereafter, all we had on campus was the Objectivists.

    Ayn Rand is an interesting study in dogmatism, but not much more really.

  247. @syonredux

    Hmm, upon further Google review it appears that Leyendecker does indeed have feminine or effeminate male figures in his oeuvre—some of his Interwoven and “Spring/Easter” themed works are rather flamboyant compared to his work for Arrow Collars, for example, whose characters are more traditionally hetero-masculine:
     
    With homo-erotically inclined artists like Leyendecker, it's all a question of balance and control. Properly sublimated and aestheticized, you get a portrait of the ideal gentleman, a perfect combination of elegance and masculine power:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7karQQSqMKk/VSfTGL0lRDI/AAAAAAABUps/3BSsIwbt8EM/s1600/Caught%2Bin%2Bthe%2BAct%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPlan.jpg

    http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/2012/08/530.jpg


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Vjx2dkMI6ec/VSfSJKN-sgI/AAAAAAABUoU/druH2RSuF-Y/s1600/Arrow%2BCollars%2Band%2BShirts%2B10.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/9f/bd/7c9fbd49b4e054dcdece19a384079cc3.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n2RotKd71nw/VSvQjCGWQ9I/AAAAAAABUu8/IKx2uNiiB4A/s1600/Kuppenheimer%2BClothing%2B14.jpg

    Agree, with you and Old Palo Altan.

  248. @the one they call Desanex
    Rockwell used a Balopticon projector to trace photographed images. Leyendecker disapproved.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ongO5Y_Y28

    Is that technically cheating or still a valid form of art?

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    I’d call it unartistic. If paintings look just like photographs, who needs the paintings?
  249. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    That massive brain-case is what makes Franzetta’a Conan terrifyingly dangerous looking and is a major part of its appeal. Domestication shrinks the head.
     
    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous.

    Leyendecker drew his men, even the attempts at huge tough looking ones like the football player, with relatively small heads...
     
    As is the convention for granting heroic stature to a human figure in artwork.

    ...which is obvious when he shows them next to his attempts at women
     
    LOL

    Michelangelo’s David may be a bit light in his loafers for postural
    carriage...
     
    Pfft. Try Donatello’s David...

    ...but he has an enormous head, and that is why he is credible as the slayer of Goliath.
     
    He has an enormous head (and right hand) because the statue was intended to sit atop the Duomo di Firenze and be viewed from street-level, 262 feet below. ;)

    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous

    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6’6”). The head size makes Franzetta’s Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now (although an aproximations were around in the Bronze age Bell Beaker men, who it might be noted, massacred the entire male population of Europe). In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps. Many people bought the book just for Franzetta’s cover.

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker’s men, I certainly understand why. If that was David, I would not want to see Goliath!

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6’6”).
     
    You may want to look over your visual references again. Frazetta’s Conan is not noticeably taller than most of his antagonists (or even particularly large in relation to the slave girls occasionally hanging off of his legs).

    The head size makes Franzetta’s Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now...
     
    LOL

    In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps.
     
    Hey, if you want to make a monkey out of yourself, go right ahead. :P

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker’s men, I certainly understand why.
     
    No, you don’t understand. It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men, when viewed from the proper perspective. :)
  250. @BB753
    Is that technically cheating or still a valid form of art?

    I’d call it unartistic. If paintings look just like photographs, who needs the paintings?

    • Replies: @BB753
    But they don't look 100% the same. At least, Rockwell's.
  251. @the one they call Desanex
    I’d call it unartistic. If paintings look just like photographs, who needs the paintings?

    But they don’t look 100% the same. At least, Rockwell’s.

  252. @Sean

    The effect of Conan’s oversized noggin is to make him look dumpy and even somewhat comical, not dangerous
     
    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6'6''). The head size makes Franzetta's Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now (although an aproximations were around in the Bronze age Bell Beaker men, who it might be noted, massacred the entire male population of Europe). In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps. Many people bought the book just for Franzetta's cover.

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker's men, I certainly understand why. If that was David, I would not want to see Goliath!

    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6’6”).

    You may want to look over your visual references again. Frazetta’s Conan is not noticeably taller than most of his antagonists (or even particularly large in relation to the slave girls occasionally hanging off of his legs).

    The head size makes Franzetta’s Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now…

    LOL

    In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps.

    Hey, if you want to make a monkey out of yourself, go right ahead. 😛

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker’s men, I certainly understand why.

    No, you don’t understand. It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men, when viewed from the proper perspective. 🙂

    • Replies: @Sean
    https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/handful-bronze-age-men-could-have-fathered-two-thirds-europeans/

    It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men,
     
    Quite possibly that was the artist's intention, but right from the begining David has not been admired for that reason because he has always been displayed so that his head was of ominously surpassing size to the actual gaze of onlookers .

    David was originally commissioned as one of a series of statues of prophets to be positioned along the roofline of the east end of Florence Cathedral, but was instead placed in a public square, outside the Palazzo Vecchio, the seat of civic government in Florence. Because of the nature of the hero it represented, the statue soon came to symbolize the defence of civil liberties embodied in the Republic of Florence, an independent city-state threatened on all sides by more powerful rival states and by the hegemony of the Medici family. The eyes of David, with a warning glare, were turned towards Rome.[2]
     
    Only one human opponent is taller than Conan in the 1966 book for which that was the illustration, and Franzetta's 1971 depiction shows Conan towering over a swarm of human attackers. Franzetta's original interpretation is the cover for the 66 Howard stories book, and is quite extremely large headed, perhaps accidentally so as with David, but the reason it works as a portrait of a dangerous alpha male is because it has a huge head. This reflects a reality of the Bell Beaker Bronze age largely male invaders who slaughtered the male population of Europe and only kept the hot girls alive, to grovel. Bronze age conquerors were very tall and their heads were much bigger than men today. Franzetta also follows Howard and the latest scientific genetic sequencing in portraying Conan as having bronzed skin. The Indo European Bronze age invader Bell Beaker people were quite dark. Leyendecker’s men look like an extreme of the catwalk model rather than death--dealing men to be feared, inasmuch they are non--threatening with un-expanded chests and small heads.
  253. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    You may want to re-read what I said about Conan being about described as so extremely tall he was almost a giant (say 6’6”).
     
    You may want to look over your visual references again. Frazetta’s Conan is not noticeably taller than most of his antagonists (or even particularly large in relation to the slave girls occasionally hanging off of his legs).

    The head size makes Franzetta’s Conan look dominant in a way that could not be done with the proportions of anyone remotely that tall around now...
     
    LOL

    In experiments with chimps it was found males were addicted to (gave up the chance of a food reward in preference for) being shown pictures of the faces of sexually attractive female and dominant looking male chimps.
     
    Hey, if you want to make a monkey out of yourself, go right ahead. :P

    If Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so David did not look to the viewer like he had the head size of Leyendecker’s men, I certainly understand why.
     
    No, you don’t understand. It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men, when viewed from the proper perspective. :)

    https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/handful-bronze-age-men-could-have-fathered-two-thirds-europeans/

    It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men,

    Quite possibly that was the artist’s intention, but right from the begining David has not been admired for that reason because he has always been displayed so that his head was of ominously surpassing size to the actual gaze of onlookers .

    David was originally commissioned as one of a series of statues of prophets to be positioned along the roofline of the east end of Florence Cathedral, but was instead placed in a public square, outside the Palazzo Vecchio, the seat of civic government in Florence. Because of the nature of the hero it represented, the statue soon came to symbolize the defence of civil liberties embodied in the Republic of Florence, an independent city-state threatened on all sides by more powerful rival states and by the hegemony of the Medici family. The eyes of David, with a warning glare, were turned towards Rome.[2]

    Only one human opponent is taller than Conan in the 1966 book for which that was the illustration, and Franzetta’s 1971 depiction shows Conan towering over a swarm of human attackers. Franzetta’s original interpretation is the cover for the 66 Howard stories book, and is quite extremely large headed, perhaps accidentally so as with David, but the reason it works as a portrait of a dangerous alpha male is because it has a huge head. This reflects a reality of the Bell Beaker Bronze age largely male invaders who slaughtered the male population of Europe and only kept the hot girls alive, to grovel. Bronze age conquerors were very tall and their heads were much bigger than men today. Franzetta also follows Howard and the latest scientific genetic sequencing in portraying Conan as having bronzed skin. The Indo European Bronze age invader Bell Beaker people were quite dark. Leyendecker’s men look like an extreme of the catwalk model rather than death–dealing men to be feared, inasmuch they are non–threatening with un-expanded chests and small heads.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Quite possibly that was the artist’s intention, but right from the begining David has not been admired for that reason because he has always been displayed so that his head was of ominously surpassing size to the actual gaze of onlookers .
     
    There’s no mention of the size of the statue’s head in your quoted excerpt, only its eyes. You appear to be letting your personal obsessions run wild again.

    Only one human opponent is taller than Conan in the 1966 book for which that was the illustration, and Franzetta’s 1971 depiction shows Conan towering over a swarm of human attackers.
     
    Frazetta’s Conan is not towering over his opponents, he’s simply placed on a higher level than most of them.

    Franzetta’s original interpretation is the cover for the 66 Howard stories book, and is quite extremely large headed, perhaps accidentally so as with David, but the reason it works as a portrait of a dangerous alpha male is because it has a huge head.
     
    Huge heads are associated with babies, Sean, not your beloved “dangerous alpha males.” ;)

    Franzetta also follows Howard and the latest scientific genetic sequencing in portraying Conan as having bronzed skin.
     
    Conan has a bronzed appearance because he spends a lot of time out of doors under the sun. Otherwise, he’s of a type with Howard’s stable of other phenotypically “Black Irish” characters like Cormac Fitzgeoffrey, Solomon Kane, Francis Xavier “El Borak” Gordon and all the rest.

    The Indo European Bronze age invader Bell Beaker people were quite dark.
     
    Maybe compared to albinos:

    https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/CgajQA7ivHI7u7a9UOqayau7aQ4=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/04/71/0471cc09-0065-4c20-af91-f92fcfdb8e98/ava.jpg

    Leyendecker’s men look like an extreme of the catwalk model rather than death–dealing men to be feared, inasmuch they are non–threatening with un-expanded chests and small heads.
     
    Leyendecker’s men look like the male ideal of Western culture going all the way back to Ancient Greece: tall, lean and noble, and as comfortable with physical as with mental exertion.
  254. @Redneck farmer
    I expected better Jack. The Greeks had gyms a couple of thousand years ago. Ok, they taught math, literature, and music as well as physical education, but adults would go to adult gyms to keep in shape.
    As for 'roids, Ah, Science!

    One wonders which Greek part of the word “gymnasium” Puritans might possibly have a problem with.

  255. @Sean
    https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/handful-bronze-age-men-could-have-fathered-two-thirds-europeans/

    It would be more accurate to say that Michelangelo did some magic with perspective so that David would look to the viewer like he had the classic, heroically-proportioned head size of Leyendecker’s men,
     
    Quite possibly that was the artist's intention, but right from the begining David has not been admired for that reason because he has always been displayed so that his head was of ominously surpassing size to the actual gaze of onlookers .

    David was originally commissioned as one of a series of statues of prophets to be positioned along the roofline of the east end of Florence Cathedral, but was instead placed in a public square, outside the Palazzo Vecchio, the seat of civic government in Florence. Because of the nature of the hero it represented, the statue soon came to symbolize the defence of civil liberties embodied in the Republic of Florence, an independent city-state threatened on all sides by more powerful rival states and by the hegemony of the Medici family. The eyes of David, with a warning glare, were turned towards Rome.[2]
     
    Only one human opponent is taller than Conan in the 1966 book for which that was the illustration, and Franzetta's 1971 depiction shows Conan towering over a swarm of human attackers. Franzetta's original interpretation is the cover for the 66 Howard stories book, and is quite extremely large headed, perhaps accidentally so as with David, but the reason it works as a portrait of a dangerous alpha male is because it has a huge head. This reflects a reality of the Bell Beaker Bronze age largely male invaders who slaughtered the male population of Europe and only kept the hot girls alive, to grovel. Bronze age conquerors were very tall and their heads were much bigger than men today. Franzetta also follows Howard and the latest scientific genetic sequencing in portraying Conan as having bronzed skin. The Indo European Bronze age invader Bell Beaker people were quite dark. Leyendecker’s men look like an extreme of the catwalk model rather than death--dealing men to be feared, inasmuch they are non--threatening with un-expanded chests and small heads.

    Quite possibly that was the artist’s intention, but right from the begining David has not been admired for that reason because he has always been displayed so that his head was of ominously surpassing size to the actual gaze of onlookers .

    There’s no mention of the size of the statue’s head in your quoted excerpt, only its eyes. You appear to be letting your personal obsessions run wild again.

    Only one human opponent is taller than Conan in the 1966 book for which that was the illustration, and Franzetta’s 1971 depiction shows Conan towering over a swarm of human attackers.

    Frazetta’s Conan is not towering over his opponents, he’s simply placed on a higher level than most of them.

    Franzetta’s original interpretation is the cover for the 66 Howard stories book, and is quite extremely large headed, perhaps accidentally so as with David, but the reason it works as a portrait of a dangerous alpha male is because it has a huge head.

    Huge heads are associated with babies, Sean, not your beloved “dangerous alpha males.” 😉

    Franzetta also follows Howard and the latest scientific genetic sequencing in portraying Conan as having bronzed skin.

    Conan has a bronzed appearance because he spends a lot of time out of doors under the sun. Otherwise, he’s of a type with Howard’s stable of other phenotypically “Black Irish” characters like Cormac Fitzgeoffrey, Solomon Kane, Francis Xavier “El Borak” Gordon and all the rest.

    The Indo European Bronze age invader Bell Beaker people were quite dark.

    Maybe compared to albinos:

    Leyendecker’s men look like an extreme of the catwalk model rather than death–dealing men to be feared, inasmuch they are non–threatening with un-expanded chests and small heads.

    Leyendecker’s men look like the male ideal of Western culture going all the way back to Ancient Greece: tall, lean and noble, and as comfortable with physical as with mental exertion.

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