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The Establishment is freaking out over one unknown Google worker circulating a well-reasoned dissent against all the anti-white male propagandizing and programs that Google has subjected their hardworking employees to in recent years.
Keep in mind that during the triumphant years in which Google ascended to its near monopoly status, it didn’t pay much attention to the diversity rules imposed upon the rest of society, because, after all, it was Google and hi-tech and so it didn’t have to obey. But as I long predicted, the diversity rent-seekers eventually got their hooks into Google over the last few years so now Google has a full panoply of makework jobs in the diversity racket to attack verbally the people who actually get the work done. Now, one of the workers has written back.
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Is he so ignorant that he hasn’t even noticed how the majority of the important scientists featured on Google’s own website are Women Of Color?
Google software teams on fire now.
Algorithmize, sift, filter, identify.
Publicize, shame, eviscerate.
Where is Eric Schmidt?
Its amazing how up their own asses the commenters on the gizmodo article are that they don’t realise they’re highlighting the points he makes.
Those women talking about how upset they are - "...still shaking with rage..." really should think twice.
It seems like the author has been watching Jordan Peterson. The Google letter uses Peterson’s vocabulary almost verbatim in talking about differences in the genders and social biases.
Update: Someone else made the same observation on Vox Day’s blog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_fBYROA7HkReplies: @Seneca
There’s not nearly enough attacking feminists for their hypocrisy. Someone who genuinely thought that the outcomes between the sexes ought to be equal would be much more pleasant than the garden variety feminist bigot who is only bothered by the (ever shrinking) list of areas where men still excel and prove useful. It’s even common for feminists to cite female success, not as evidence of bias but as evidence that women ought to be beating men in other areas (e.g. citing the fact that the majority of biology degrees goto women as evidence that women ought to earn the majority of degrees in all sciences).
And I say that someone interested in true equality of outcome would be a lot more pleasant but that’s really just a guess because I am literally totally unaware of anyone like that.
And of course all this applies more generally to PC, where it’s only ever certain groups whose success gets questioned and what’s presented as a movement for equality is really about securing supremacy for the favored.
So far, all of the responses I’ve seen to this are just declaring what this memo is, and saying that it’s bad, usually in some sort of childish slang. Like this.
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/05/google-anti-diversity-document-criticism/
Although, I guess that’s all you need when you’re on the right side of history.
That is what makes the whole thing so scary and tragic instead of amusing: These people are supposedly the best and the brightest of the new generation, but the only thing they can do is resort to ad hominum attacks and temper tantrums instead of engaging the guy (I'm assuming it's a guy) on the merits of his arguments in any kind of reasoned debate.Replies: @Anon
Finally someone at Google has challenged our tech elites’ childish and damaging utopianism with our ancestors’ time -tested tragic view of man. I just find it hilarious that things have gotten so out of whack at Google that the traditional world view looks “disruptive” now.
Progressive utopianism began as an intellectual fad in the Enlightenment about 250 years, and we have enough of a baseline of experience with its various notions that we can see that a lot of it doesn’t work; we should discard it in favor of the politically incorrect things which have worked over the centuries and which continue to get the necessary jobs done in the here and now.
Of course the irony here is that Google, like most elite tech companies in Silicon Valley, actually has a slight under-representation of whites in technical roles relative to their overall population percentage.
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-diversity-statistics-2017-2017-6
At Google it appears that whites make up 53% of those in technical roles, while Asians make up 39%, which is vastly disproportionate to their overall percentage among the population. Someone like Jared Taylor will quickly point that out in response to liberals complaining about the status quo.
Below is a rare instance where even a progressive site like the Young Turks latches on to this fact.
Males though are still over-represented I suppose, so maybe the uh gender angle is valid…
Shrug. Google’s diversity BS is just an innoculation against the media attacking them like they’ve been attacking Uber. It’s just the cost of doing business.
It’s interesting, at first I was in agreeance, and as I read on, I realized that this is criticism “firmly” planted on the quicksand of leftist axioms. See:
Fundamentally, is it a good thing to be pushing the very smartest females in the nation (the very smartest people Google, Microsoft, and other major and competent tech firms are known to pursue with a vengeance, male or female) into a demanding career during their prime reproductive years, so that they end up only having 1 or 2 children at most? Maybe it’s ok when a small percentage do it, but when it is done on an industrial scale with massive propaganda drives to encourage it – it’s profoundly sick, immoral and wrong. Hell no, it’s not ok. It creates a dumber society in the long term.
If high IQ, drive, achievement and the like are both desireable traits and highly heritable, then why is careerism in women possessing those traits encouraged? Why should only high IQ/drive/ability men be de facto allowed to have large families? If we had any sense as a society, we’d be identifying such women and propagandizing them to have large families and for men to seek these women out for that purpose. And we would brand as evil those propaganda efforts to effectively partially sterilize them (in a way, creating what amounts to a female eunuch) in the name of corporate greed and insane leftism.
This seemed a little unfair. If you really think that there are no differences between the sexes, you’d have to doubt evolution quite a bit.
Someone just nailed his Theses to the Cathedral door.
I imagine the response will be just as outrageous.
The Catholic Church was very corrupt at the time (this has returned); however, the Protestants, some more than others, threw the baby out with the bath water as far as doctrine, liturgy, and church governance are concerned. They also divided into many small denominations; this was also more true of some than of others.
Update 7:25pm ET: Google’s new Vice President of Diversity, Integrity & Governance, Danielle Brown, issued the following statement in response to the internal employee memo:
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320
Thus the unholy convergence of paganism and a lot of money in a corporate environment continues unabated.
Monothought is Diversity! Silencing is Openness! Reeeing is Tolerance! And of course, Incompetence is Competence!
StrelnikovDanielle BrownShe doesn't seem to be wearing enough flair (but, that's her choice), so I question how committed she is to the team.He paints an entirely too charitable picture of the left in general. They are anything but “well intentioned;” they are grasping vindictive scum.
I seem to recall that when Obama had to staff his only mission-critical operations — his own election and reelection teams, his data analysts were pretty pale and male.
Didn’t Google’s Schmidt also get involved?
I can no longer find a picture of Obama’s digital dream team though…
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
Danielle’s Letter Translated: Shut up, engineering department.
Thus the unholy convergence of paganism and a lot of money in a corporate environment continues unabated.
Responses at GIZMODO are appropriately WOKE:
Of course, here-and-there, some un-WOKE comments can be found:
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320
Everyone.
Seriously, I don't believe any adult of sound mind who wasn't raised in an isolation tank doesn't think there's such a thing as race. It's obvious.
Some people deny the sun will rise tomorrow morning. I don't believe them either.
Progressive utopianism began as an intellectual fad in the Enlightenment about 250 years, and we have enough of a baseline of experience with its various notions that we can see that a lot of it doesn't work; we should discard it in favor of the politically incorrect things which have worked over the centuries and which continue to get the necessary jobs done in the here and now.Replies: @AM
Have you convinced yourself of enough of the Christian worldview to see if you can drag yourself into a church yet?
“Advanced atheist” is one the key concepts on the road to right here. Google simply has enough money and power to take a lack of God to it’s logical conclusions.
So what does Google do when they track this guy down? Fire him? Make him recant and then fire him? Publicly defenestrate him?
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
Well, that’s awfully convenient, isn’t it?
Future memo writers would be wise not to ask how an anti-discrimination law could possibly affect the truth or falsehood of any biologically-based arguments, I’m sure.
The VP of Engineering at Google — to whom the writer of the document reports — had this to say:P
Yeah, that’s a really open, scientific mind you’ve got there.
Moron.
Our elite is idiots.
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/05/google-diversity-head-response-to-document/
For instance...
I'll hazard a generalization here...
I'll probably never get hired at Google, but I think something needs to be said...
MOST MEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with women.
Wait, there's more...
MOST WOMEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with men.
Indeed...
I think... it could even be said.... that the very EXISTENCE of humanity hinges on this!
We don't just sorta kinda live in 1984 in a metaphorical way. This VP is a doubleplusgood duckspeaker.Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
If there are no discernible gender differences, how can everyone tell this was written by a man?
I especially like how this cretin begins his paragraph by saying we should “question our assumptions” and then ends with deploring “the bias inherent in suggesting that most women, or men, feel or act a certain way.”
Well done, Idiot savant — big I and little s.
These are the mentalities who think they should rule our world.
That guy wouldn’t have written that were Trump not elected. The Deplorables are finding their voice.
Well, the thing about “Diversity Officers” is that nobody in engineering respects them, even if they fear them for the damage they can do.
But even the VP of Engineering got in on the act. That’s going to be hard to stomach for those with independent minds. Nobody wants to be “led” by a cretin.
Odds on him getting doxed and/or fired?
I’m sure there are some Hedge fund guys now considering when and where to short Google. In the short and medium run they can go on like they have been, but the barrier to entry into search/advertising is not particularly high.
Google’s advantage has been in their engineers finding out better ways to find out user preferences and serve ads against those preferences. Google already faces challenges from around 50% or so of advertising clicks and views being fraudulent; “official” stats are around 40% but it is almost certainly higher. Some advertisers have already dumped online advertising entirely for TV broadcasts; at least there the Neilsen numbers if questionable are not 50% fake.
Running out talented White guys in favor of LaQuisha might give the Cuckservative White dudes running Google a diversity thrill (up their leg) like true manly men of manliness. But how is that going to stack up against the AI led challenges devised by some dude in a garage leveraging the amazingly cheap power on demand of Amazon Web Services? Or lead a place like Amazon or Baidu or heck a Putin led outfit to be the “place for White guys.”
Israel’s Unit “Whatever” that acts as both military intelligence technology development lab and their tech segment incubator is not exactly embracing diversity. Heck a smart company could offer their White male employees a refuge and gain a competitive advantage over a Google run by LaQuisha.
That’s not going to happen overnight — but it will happen.
From Google: “I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.” … “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
She has a funny idea about what “open” means. She could have linked to the document, and explained where it goes wrong. That should have been more convincing if she had good facts and arguments to support her opinions. Instead, she mainly hopes that fewer people read the essay.
"Not going to link to it," is an interesting pre-search-engine way to hide something which is only as far away as speaking "Google employee racist screed" into your phone and glancing at the top results. Although if I was a Google employee I'd use Bing for the search to confuse the corporate tracking.
My thoughts reading the blog was that this is well written, completely reasonable, and shows a lot of inside knowledge of the Google hiring and promotional process. All of the internal lingo like "PERF" was used very fluently and naturally. Seems legit and like someone who has been there for quite a few years. It does have a classical liberal viewpoint, of the "affirmative action is still racism" variety rather than the "send them back to Africa" blowhard that some of the commenters here seem to have today.
Given the official response back, I’d say it’s very high. Google is lost to progressive la la land.
My prediction: Google will not officially identify him but he will be doxed by coworkers nevertheless. Most Google employees are PC-poisoned to the core and would do anything to protect their beliefs.Replies: @L Woods
Printers can be set to do similar things.
Moral of the story: never use your own phone or email account.
My guess would be they let him get doxed and then in the name of fostering an open, inclusive environment, let his coworkers bully, harass and generally make working at Google miserable for him until he retaliates against one of them and they make him take a buyout.
I am sure the best minds at Google are currently working on algorithms to analyze his writing to pinpoint him so that he might be… ahem… “relocated”.
This video, featuring Jordan Peterson, a PhD student of his named Christine Brophy and Lauren Southern on how sex differences relate to SJWs, is very interesting. This relates directly to the games Googles play.
Also two gorgeous brilliant conservative young ladies who are easy on the eyes...how refreshing!Replies: @larry lurker
1 to 1000
Google should stop worrying about this SJW stuff and instead put together a crack team to get the Plan 9 operating system’s desktop up and running again. One of the guys at Google who works on their Go language project also posted videos on the dormant Plan 9 OS and it looks pretty cool. They need to kick-start a Manhattan Project on that pronto.
It will certainly be a good test of his skill as an engineer. Let’s hope for his sake he’s covered his tracks well.
http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/suppressing-dissent-at-google.html
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/05/google-anti-diversity-document-criticism/
Although, I guess that's all you need when you're on the right side of history.Replies: @jay-w
” …So far, all of the responses I’ve seen to this are just declaring what this memo is, and saying that it’s bad, usually in some sort of childish slang …”
That is what makes the whole thing so scary and tragic instead of amusing: These people are supposedly the best and the brightest of the new generation, but the only thing they can do is resort to ad hominum attacks and temper tantrums instead of engaging the guy (I’m assuming it’s a guy) on the merits of his arguments in any kind of reasoned debate.
Shout down to silence, nothing more.
Jordan Peterson is the deep cool springs of knowledge. Eternal Thanks to him.Replies: @Desiderius
No. Our “elites” are not idiots so much, they are dishonest. Our “elites” are lying, game playing, manipulative, creeps. 21st century two faced court eunuchs.
I read a good ways into this guy’s writing on the Vox site, and, though he writes some truth, he is still pretty damn cucked-out. If this is the best voice for truth at Google, the place is pretty far gone through the looking glass.
This is what got me to stop reading:
What the hell? It shouldn’t matter what the political views of any biologists are. I’d just rather not see any incompetents and liars, that’s all. Without them, the truth comes out of the science. No, I understand that’s not what always goes on these days – I’m in John Lennon Imagine world here.
What I’d like to see is some computer guys (no there are no engineers at Google, no matter what they want to call themselves) there get really pissed off. I’d like to see some top smart people get fired. It’d be bad for them personally, true, but, man, one can do a LOT of damage as a laid-off computer guy, so long as one took care of things before the pw or account is deleted. I want to see that place get hacked up to where people resort to duckduckgo and others. That’s one version of anti-trust “action” I could get behind, a topic that Mr. Sailer has been mentioning often lately.
They've got to have a few hardware engineers in the Bay Area. Also I think they own the old Motorola Mobility in Chicago.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/queer-engineering-purdue-social-justice-warriors/
Yeah, starting out with three disclaimers is not the way to go. He might as well be wearing a “fire me” sign.
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
“Well that’s that, folks. You heard it from the head of diversity, integrity and governance. Debate’s over. Tomorrow’s a busy day. You guys tote the podium and overhead projectors back to the storage room and lock up. You ladies gather up the leftovers in that tupperware, and take care of those spills on the carpet.”
Interestingly Twitter won’t let me tweet links to this article. The message says it looks like my tweet might be automated. Anybody else getting the same message?
>>> Its amazing how up their own asses the commenters on the gizmodo article are that they don’t realise they’re highlighting the points he makes.
Those women talking about how upset they are – “…still shaking with rage…” really should think twice.
Interesting, a week earlier Jordan Peterson’s YouTube channel was suspended for a few days. Coincidence?
Hoist with his own petard comes to mind. Screw these people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywpamw/internal-reaction-to-google-employees-manifesto-show-anti-diversity-views-have-support
“From what I’ve seen it’s been a mix of women saying, ‘This is terrible and it’s been distracting me from my work and it shouldn’t be allowed;’ Men and women saying ‘this is horrible but we need to let him have a voice;’ and men saying ‘This is so brave, I agree,’” the employee said.
Italics added.
Hooooboy.
My favorite comment on that Vice page is:
"The author is an idiot, grasping at pseudoscience to justify sexism. It's a struggle for anyone who's approached the issue with an open heart to read like this," another commenter wrote."
I would suggest that if it's that much of a struggle for you to read something so mild, your heart probably isn't as open as you like to think.
It's still hilarious to me how sex differences can be observed in our closest relatives in the animal world, and nobody bats an eye, but somehow it's "pseudoscience" to think they exist in humans as well. Honestly, how do you get a job at Google is that makes sense to you?
I’d also bet the foreign-born contingent of most of these companies’ workforces and applicant pools skews overwhelmingly male, but you’re not supposed to notice that, you’re just supposed to assume the raw gender balance is an accurate measure of discrimination against American women.
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
Is Danielle black or white? Either way here is your diversity rent seeker apparatchik in her high paying make work job.In cases like this a photo is helpful but I don’t see any. She is living proof how women latch onto male achievement in the tech fields. They cannot do tech so they babble away. Drink enough free coffee at the Googleplex and you can babble away until infinity.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/06/29/google-hires-intels-former-head-of-diversity-as-vp-of-diversity/amp/Replies: @Steve Sailer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_B
She is a twofer in the tech world, so she gets to ride the merry-go-round.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/intels-former-chief-diversity-and-inclusion-officer-has-left-the-company/Replies: @Brutusale
Not surprisingly, his name has already leaked. Some SJW Googler surely told a friend who posted it and there will be an army of SJW’s who will work tirelessly to ensure his name is forever associated with this event in Google’s search index. Such lovely, loving people. Ready and willing to enthusiastically destroy the career of a Bad White Male whenever required.
Conspiracy time – Sergey Brin wrote this, or at least pushed it.
Groan, that thing is disorganized, unfocused and boring. The greatest risk it poses to Google is that it might puncture the myth that you have to be a genius to work there.
Somehow I doubt that one can get to be VP of Engineering at Google (maybe VP of Diversity, OK…) without KNOWING that this is absolute nonsense.
For instance…
I’ll hazard a generalization here…
I’ll probably never get hired at Google, but I think something needs to be said…
MOST MEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with women.
Wait, there’s more…
MOST WOMEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with men.
Indeed…
I think… it could even be said…. that the very EXISTENCE of humanity hinges on this!
We don’t just sorta kinda live in 1984 in a metaphorical way. This VP is a doubleplusgood duckspeaker.
We need to dispel the myth of the "secret shitlords" in the elite and realize that these people want us gone or in prison for thinking bad thoughts. It will make things a lot easier when we stop pretending that we have hidden allies that don't exist.
I was just about to post the EXACT same thing. Sounds like Peterson’s talking points to a T (and me likey)
Google … continuing to do evil.
MAKE SILICON VALLEY GREAT AGAIN!
"From what I've seen it's been a mix of women saying, 'This is terrible and it's been distracting me from my work and it shouldn't be allowed;' Men and women saying 'this is horrible but we need to let him have a voice;' and men saying 'This is so brave, I agree,'" the employee said.
Italics added.
Hooooboy.Replies: @anon
So were those women trying to prove his point, or what?
My favorite comment on that Vice page is:
“The author is an idiot, grasping at pseudoscience to justify sexism. It’s a struggle for anyone who’s approached the issue with an open heart to read like this,” another commenter wrote.”
I would suggest that if it’s that much of a struggle for you to read something so mild, your heart probably isn’t as open as you like to think.
It’s still hilarious to me how sex differences can be observed in our closest relatives in the animal world, and nobody bats an eye, but somehow it’s “pseudoscience” to think they exist in humans as well. Honestly, how do you get a job at Google is that makes sense to you?
White it appears
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/06/29/google-hires-intels-former-head-of-diversity-as-vp-of-diversity/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/06/29/google-hires-intels-former-head-of-diversity-as-vp-of-diversity/amp/Replies: @Steve Sailer
Google former Diversity Fuhrer looked like a U-Boat Kapitan.
how raciss of Google to hire a non AA diversity commissar
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Danielle+Mastrangel+Brown+TechCrunch+Disrupt+fQC0_cb5Syal.jpgReplies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian
This is what got me to stop reading:What the hell? It shouldn't matter what the political views of any biologists are. I'd just rather not see any incompetents and liars, that's all. Without them, the truth comes out of the science. No, I understand that's not what always goes on these days - I'm in John Lennon Imagine world here.
What I'd like to see is some computer guys (no there are no engineers at Google, no matter what they want to call themselves) there get really pissed off. I'd like to see some top smart people get fired. It'd be bad for them personally, true, but, man, one can do a LOT of damage as a laid-off computer guy, so long as one took care of things before the pw or account is deleted. I want to see that place get hacked up to where people resort to duckduckgo and others. That's one version of anti-trust "action" I could get behind, a topic that Mr. Sailer has been mentioning often lately.Replies: @WowJustWow, @Hibernian
(edit: not actually reply to Achmed E. Newman, but it looks like I can’t edit out replyishness of a post)
Notice that at no point does he say that women aren’t as good at technical work than men, but so far most responses I’ve seen on the interweb are treating it as if that’s the core of the argument.
He might have made it out of this brouhaha okay if not for this bit:
“We can increase representation at an org level by either making it a better environment for certain groups (which would be seen in survey scores) or discriminating based on a protected status (which is illegal and I’ve seen it done).”
He’ll be destroyed not because he challenged Google’s policies on holy scripture, but because he said their religious rites are breaking the law. That doesn’t look good when a document like this gets outside an organization’s walls.
Ya, the gender disparity is almost completely or completely caused by sex differences and trying to “correct” it is a sissyphian task. I recommend the book “Smart and Sexy” by Roderick Kaine to get a very complete understanding of sex differences in intelligence and what causes them.
I’ve sometimes wondered when they are going to quietly switch their motto to “Be Evil.” Maybe they can offer a contrived explanation, explaining how “evil” is just whatever a hidebound society thinks is wrong, due to its unthinking was, but that the bold thinkers, the free spirits, have always been the evil ones. Perhaps they can simply deny that any switch has every occurred: “We have always been evil!”
She has a funny idea about what "open" means. She could have linked to the document, and explained where it goes wrong. That should have been more convincing if she had good facts and arguments to support her opinions. Instead, she mainly hopes that fewer people read the essay.Replies: @Chief Seattle
I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
“Not going to link to it,” is an interesting pre-search-engine way to hide something which is only as far away as speaking “Google employee racist screed” into your phone and glancing at the top results. Although if I was a Google employee I’d use Bing for the search to confuse the corporate tracking.
My thoughts reading the blog was that this is well written, completely reasonable, and shows a lot of inside knowledge of the Google hiring and promotional process. All of the internal lingo like “PERF” was used very fluently and naturally. Seems legit and like someone who has been there for quite a few years. It does have a classical liberal viewpoint, of the “affirmative action is still racism” variety rather than the “send them back to Africa” blowhard that some of the commenters here seem to have today.
Tiny chance but would be completely hilarious: the author is a woman.
My prediction: Google will not officially identify him but he will be doxed by coworkers nevertheless. Most Google employees are PC-poisoned to the core and would do anything to protect their beliefs.
If high IQ, drive, achievement and the like are both desireable traits and highly heritable, then why is careerism in women possessing those traits encouraged? Why should only high IQ/drive/ability men be de facto allowed to have large families? If we had any sense as a society, we'd be identifying such women and propagandizing them to have large families and for men to seek these women out for that purpose. And we would brand as evil those propaganda efforts to effectively partially sterilize them (in a way, creating what amounts to a female eunuch) in the name of corporate greed and insane leftism.Replies: @U. Ranus, @Desiderius
If high IQ, drive, achievement and the like are both desireable traits and highly heritable, then why is careerism in women possessing those traits encouraged?
Because otherwise the high concentrations of imported smart goys in these high IQ tech places might do what Herrnstein warned about in The Bell Curve and mate their way into a new Tribe, where everybody is smart, everybody is everybody else’s third cousin, everybody has everybody else’s back… yet nobody is particularly jewish.
And maybe that's the theory. In practice Jews get high on their own supply. Who is outmarrying at incredible rates? Jews. Who is forsaking procreation for career? Jewish women.
A propos:
“Uber’s search for a female CEO has been narrowed down to 3 men”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/08/04/ubers-search-for-a-female-ceo-has-been-narrowed-down-to-3-men/
The reason: No women wanted the job.
Make him recant and then fire him. We’ve done this script many times before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_fBYROA7HkReplies: @Seneca
Thanks for the link. Great discussion.
Also two gorgeous brilliant conservative young ladies who are easy on the eyes…how refreshing!
Algorithmize, sift, filter, identify.
Publicize, shame, eviscerate.
Where is Eric Schmidt?Replies: @El Dato
I support this updated Half-Life 2 reference, Anticitizen.
I’ll worry about underrepresentation of women and blacks (let’s be honest, there are plenty of Asian minorities) in tech and at google in particular as soon as they acknowledge and start doing something about the underrepresentation of whitemales in professional online journalism and among the Google Doodle illustrators in particular.
Professional opinionated Cathedral elite, artist & illustrator: yet more examples of jobs whitemales are too good for?
“You know who thinks there are different races of people”
Everyone.
Seriously, I don’t believe any adult of sound mind who wasn’t raised in an isolation tank doesn’t think there’s such a thing as race. It’s obvious.
Some people deny the sun will rise tomorrow morning. I don’t believe them either.
When you consider that Gizmodo was part of Gawker Media, it shouldn’t be amazing at all.
Because otherwise the high concentrations of imported smart goys in these high IQ tech places might do what Herrnstein warned about in The Bell Curve and mate their way into a new Tribe, where everybody is smart, everybody is everybody else’s third cousin, everybody has everybody else’s back… yet nobody is particularly jewish.
And maybe that’s the theory. In practice Jews get high on their own supply. Who is outmarrying at incredible rates? Jews. Who is forsaking procreation for career? Jewish women.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.Replies: @Alice, @Jim Don Bob, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hibernian
The writer tacks him on at the end disingenuously; he knows who runs the show.
I come from a large Jewish, Israeli family. On the religious side, it varies from the ultra-Orthodox (In the rabbi business for over 2,500 years) to ultra-secular (Karl Marx is my Nth cousin), and watching this discourse play out left me deeply interested in all the related matters, from individual faith (and how it differs for people) to the social meaning of religion. On the political side, you can’t grow up with wars breaking out at the drop of a hat and not become a news junkie. You just can’t. So I read it compulsively. And analyze it compulsively, looking for signals of what’s really going on and what’s about to happen.Replies: @snorlax, @Stan Adams
Zunger is a liberal with a conservative brain. He's a trans-liberal. And so, his post is made up of increasingly-enraged incantations of loyalty-authority-purity, and fantasies of punishing the disloyal-destructive-filthy violations thereof. In another place he'd be gleefully burning heretics at the stake. (And he may yet get the chance!)
Haidt himself is the perfect picture of a cis-liberal. He doesn't want to turn conservatives into charcoal briquettes; he wants to care for and understand them, and set up a dialogue so we can all learn from one another and bridge our angry divides.
The hatememo's author seems to be a trans-conservative, amusingly — the total opposite of a trans-liberal like Zunger. I wonder if a more stridently-conservative (cis-conservative, that is) hatememo without all the qualifying statements would've provoked as much fury among trans-liberals.
It is nice of them to finally admit that leftists don't dominate all of these institutions because they're just smarter, at least.
Amazing how that's becoming more and more an acceptable response.
"If you’re a professional, especially one working on systems that can use terms like “planet-scale” and “carrier-class” without the slightest exaggeration, then you’ll quickly find that the large bulk of your job is about coordinating and cooperating with other groups."
Of course this is the rhetorical sleight of hand that's become commonplace when discussing how "valuable" feminine traits (like "empathy") are in the workplace these days. It's the idea that an ability to cooperate on large scale projects requires the same interpersonal skills as those commonly associated with women. The Apollo moon landing to, indeed, as Steve points out, the rise of Google itself shows that's laughable.
Yeah, I saw that rebuttal too.
No, not everybody can learn to write real code.
Yes, developers have to learn to deal with requirements and compliance issues and such, but a good manager insulates his or her developers from that stuff as much as possible.
Not that Java is for scut work, hardly, but array out of bounds exceptions and null pointer exceptions especially allowed scut work portions of a product to be handled by low skill individuals.Replies: @Anonymous
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
Diversity Commissar Danielle Brown speaks. It is rather funny to see these sleek previously-unquestioned fatties flip out, march off without deigning to argue, start wobbling with rage and getting transported to Google Safe Space when someone dares to dissent. The whole collective reaction is parodic maoistic 1984, of course, but they will still destroy you if you dare to laugh. (“Incontinentia … Buttocks!”)
Monothought is Diversity! Silencing is Openness! Reeeing is Tolerance! And of course, Incompetence is Competence!
What a mensch. The rest of the article is equal rot, in case anyone is curious.
When did computer programmers start calling themselves engineers, do you now get a Bachelor of Engineering Degree if you study programming?
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.
Their degrees are in departments named Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cal, MIT) or Computer Science and Engineering. These departments are inside the engineering schools/colleges of their respective universities.
A software engineer is different than a programmer or "IT professional" in that the SW engineer took courses in writing e.g. compilers, programming languages, and operating systems, as well as electives in say, distributed computing or comp graphics or theoretical topics like crypto or computability/complexity/algorithms. Learning to write code in a given language (how to program in Java/spark/python/Haskell) is not taught per se in the SW engineering major. The specific language is a tool for implementing the course material.
Programmers, by contrast, may be self taught. Maybe they took a few courses in a given language or in web design. IT professionals may have learned how to administer a database or configure a server. Usually they don't know anything about how to think about modern software.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Loveofknowledge, @anonguy
Also, LOL at people calling the author out for peddling junk science if he really is a biology Ph.D grad from Harvard.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielle-mastrangel-brown-b33343a
how raciss of Google to hire a non AA diversity commissar
Vox Day has named the author:
http://voxday.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/suppressing-dissent-at-google.html
That is what makes the whole thing so scary and tragic instead of amusing: These people are supposedly the best and the brightest of the new generation, but the only thing they can do is resort to ad hominum attacks and temper tantrums instead of engaging the guy (I'm assuming it's a guy) on the merits of his arguments in any kind of reasoned debate.Replies: @Anon
Conversions are forbidden in post modernism.
Shout down to silence, nothing more.
Jordan Peterson is the deep cool springs of knowledge. Eternal Thanks to him.
Man's erring Judgment, and misguide the Mind,
What the weak Head with strongest Byass rules,
Is Pride, the never-failing Vice of Fools.
Whatever Nature has in Worth deny'd,
She gives in large Recruits of needful Pride;
For as in Bodies, thus in Souls, we find
What wants in Blood and Spirits, swell'd with Wind;
Pride, where Wit fails, steps in to our Defence,
And fills up all the mighty Void of Sense!
If once right Reason drives that Cloud away,
Truth breaks upon us with resistless Day;
Trust not your self; but your Defects to know,
Make use of ev'ry Friend--and ev'ry Foe.
A little Learning is a dang'rous Thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
Fir'd at first Sight with what the Muse imparts,
In fearless Youth we tempt the Heights of Arts,
While from the bounded Level of our Mind,
Short Views we take, nor see the lengths behind,
But more advanc'd, behold with strange Surprize
New, distant Scenes of endless Science rise!
So pleas'd at first, the towring Alps we try,
Mount o'er the Vales, and seem to tread the Sky;
Th' Eternal Snows appear already past,
And the first Clouds and Mountains seem the last:
But those attain'd, we tremble to survey
The growing Labours of the lengthen'd Way,
Th' increasing Prospect tires our wandering Eyes,
Hills peep o'er Hills, and Alps on Alps arise!"
- Pope, Essay on CriticismReplies: @Anon
The “someone from legal” isn’t an afterthought, he’s the whole point. Your friendly neighborhood party minder at work.
The writer tacks him on at the end disingenuously; he knows who runs the show.
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.Replies: @Alice, @Jim Don Bob, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hibernian
Yes. These people have the title software engineer.
Their degrees are in departments named Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cal, MIT) or Computer Science and Engineering. These departments are inside the engineering schools/colleges of their respective universities.
A software engineer is different than a programmer or “IT professional” in that the SW engineer took courses in writing e.g. compilers, programming languages, and operating systems, as well as electives in say, distributed computing or comp graphics or theoretical topics like crypto or computability/complexity/algorithms. Learning to write code in a given language (how to program in Java/spark/python/Haskell) is not taught per se in the SW engineering major. The specific language is a tool for implementing the course material.
Programmers, by contrast, may be self taught. Maybe they took a few courses in a given language or in web design. IT professionals may have learned how to administer a database or configure a server. Usually they don’t know anything about how to think about modern software.
This is not to say that all or any of this stuff is easy. However, if you take a big picture of what you do, and see that all the rules and methods of what you do for a living are man-made, then you should know you are not an engineer. It's that simple.
Yes, the departments of Comp-Sci and engineering are together at many schools, but that doesn't change who you are.Replies: @Alice
In practice, I think it's just title inflation - like calling salesman "Account Executives" and secretaries "Administrative Assistants" and teachers "Educators", etc.
I'm a "Software Engineer" myself, but I never use that in casual conversation - I'd say programmer/developer, or just "I work with computers" unless I'm talking to other tech people.
Shout down to silence, nothing more.
Jordan Peterson is the deep cool springs of knowledge. Eternal Thanks to him.Replies: @Desiderius
“Of all the Causes which conspire to blind
Man’s erring Judgment, and misguide the Mind,
What the weak Head with strongest Byass rules,
Is Pride, the never-failing Vice of Fools.
Whatever Nature has in Worth deny’d,
She gives in large Recruits of needful Pride;
For as in Bodies, thus in Souls, we find
What wants in Blood and Spirits, swell’d with Wind;
Pride, where Wit fails, steps in to our Defence,
And fills up all the mighty Void of Sense!
If once right Reason drives that Cloud away,
Truth breaks upon us with resistless Day;
Trust not your self; but your Defects to know,
Make use of ev’ry Friend–and ev’ry Foe.
A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
Fir’d at first Sight with what the Muse imparts,
In fearless Youth we tempt the Heights of Arts,
While from the bounded Level of our Mind,
Short Views we take, nor see the lengths behind,
But more advanc’d, behold with strange Surprize
New, distant Scenes of endless Science rise!
So pleas’d at first, the towring Alps we try,
Mount o’er the Vales, and seem to tread the Sky;
Th’ Eternal Snows appear already past,
And the first Clouds and Mountains seem the last:
But those attain’d, we tremble to survey
The growing Labours of the lengthen’d Way,
Th’ increasing Prospect tires our wandering Eyes,
Hills peep o’er Hills, and Alps on Alps arise!”
– Pope, Essay on Criticism
how raciss of Google to hire a non AA diversity commissar
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Danielle+Mastrangel+Brown+TechCrunch+Disrupt+fQC0_cb5Syal.jpgReplies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian
They know where their bread is buttered. If they lose white women to the Trumpening, the gig is well and truly up.
If high IQ, drive, achievement and the like are both desireable traits and highly heritable, then why is careerism in women possessing those traits encouraged? Why should only high IQ/drive/ability men be de facto allowed to have large families? If we had any sense as a society, we'd be identifying such women and propagandizing them to have large families and for men to seek these women out for that purpose. And we would brand as evil those propaganda efforts to effectively partially sterilize them (in a way, creating what amounts to a female eunuch) in the name of corporate greed and insane leftism.Replies: @U. Ranus, @Desiderius
Tragedy of the commons. Smaller family sizes–>smart girls pressured to carry on the family name/support parents through high achievement. Daughters filling the roles of missing sons.
That may be a factor for some cases but the majority have been conditioned by feminist media and various other sources to flinch when they hear "homemaker", "good provider", "go to school to find a good husband", "division of labor in the household", "prime reproductive years", "barefoot and pregnant" and so on and so forth.
https://youtu.be/JE9uBl8PO5k
Some parents make the mistake of reinforcing the PC norms. They should say that their greatest power is in reproduction so best to find the best man possible who is capable and willing to provide for a large family. One of your advantages in life will be that few women will be seriously competing with you at the age and stage you will be competing with others. There are plenty of areas in life where the secret fashy knowledge/attitude is an advantage in life. E.g. honestly how attractive is it for a man to find some ultra-liberal feminist vegan cat owner?
I guess the Simpsons did show the other side of the coin at least once, to their credit.
https://youtu.be/Q60wHn1-rgEReplies: @Desiderius
There was an incident about 10 years ago where Google had a company wide meeting and announced that everyone was getting a 10% raise and some guy leaked it. The story I heard (from a Googler) was that each email they sent was encoded with some invisible white space characters (tabs, carriage returns, etc.) that identified the recipient. They tracked they guy down within the hour and escorted him from the building. https://www.wired.com/2010/11/google-fires-memo-leaker/
Printers can be set to do similar things.
Moral of the story: never use your own phone or email account.
"Uber’s search for a female CEO has been narrowed down to 3 men"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/08/04/ubers-search-for-a-female-ceo-has-been-narrowed-down-to-3-men/
The reason: No women wanted the job.Replies: @Anon
Smart them. (The women, that is).
Yeah, I had a boss once who said, “My job is to get you as big a raise as possible and to keep the bureaucratic rain off your head so you can do your job”, except that he did not use the word rain. Great guy. We got a lot done.
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.Replies: @Alice, @Jim Don Bob, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hibernian
For the same reason that the state Highway Department is now the Department of Transportation, and the county garbage guys now work for the Division of Environmental Services, wtf that is.
For instance...
I'll hazard a generalization here...
I'll probably never get hired at Google, but I think something needs to be said...
MOST MEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with women.
Wait, there's more...
MOST WOMEN have a desire for sexual intercourse with men.
Indeed...
I think... it could even be said.... that the very EXISTENCE of humanity hinges on this!
We don't just sorta kinda live in 1984 in a metaphorical way. This VP is a doubleplusgood duckspeaker.Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
You’re being very optimistic. There are a lot of people who have chugged the kool aid and they absolutely believe this drivel 110%
We need to dispel the myth of the “secret shitlords” in the elite and realize that these people want us gone or in prison for thinking bad thoughts. It will make things a lot easier when we stop pretending that we have hidden allies that don’t exist.
I think some will thank him for saying what they know but are afraid to say.
https://yonatanzunger.com/about
I come from a large Jewish, Israeli family. On the religious side, it varies from the ultra-Orthodox (In the rabbi business for over 2,500 years) to ultra-secular (Karl Marx is my Nth cousin), and watching this discourse play out left me deeply interested in all the related matters, from individual faith (and how it differs for people) to the social meaning of religion. On the political side, you can’t grow up with wars breaking out at the drop of a hat and not become a news junkie. You just can’t. So I read it compulsively. And analyze it compulsively, looking for signals of what’s really going on and what’s about to happen.
For the record, I'm all goy, all of the time.
> I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists,
> and don’t endorse using stereotypes.
= please shoot me, I’m clueless about rhetorics and psychology.
Jonathan Haidt’s moral foundations theory, which is discussed in the hatememo, proposes that liberals’ worldviews tend to emphasize fairness, caring and liberty, whereas conservatives emphasize loyalty, authority and purity (c.f. liberté, egalité, fraternité vs. travail, famille, patrie).
Zunger is a liberal with a conservative brain. He’s a trans-liberal. And so, his post is made up of increasingly-enraged incantations of loyalty-authority-purity, and fantasies of punishing the disloyal-destructive-filthy violations thereof. In another place he’d be gleefully burning heretics at the stake. (And he may yet get the chance!)
Haidt himself is the perfect picture of a cis-liberal. He doesn’t want to turn conservatives into charcoal briquettes; he wants to care for and understand them, and set up a dialogue so we can all learn from one another and bridge our angry divides.
The hatememo’s author seems to be a trans-conservative, amusingly — the total opposite of a trans-liberal like Zunger. I wonder if a more stridently-conservative (cis-conservative, that is) hatememo without all the qualifying statements would’ve provoked as much fury among trans-liberals.
I come from a large Jewish, Israeli family. On the religious side, it varies from the ultra-Orthodox (In the rabbi business for over 2,500 years) to ultra-secular (Karl Marx is my Nth cousin), and watching this discourse play out left me deeply interested in all the related matters, from individual faith (and how it differs for people) to the social meaning of religion. On the political side, you can’t grow up with wars breaking out at the drop of a hat and not become a news junkie. You just can’t. So I read it compulsively. And analyze it compulsively, looking for signals of what’s really going on and what’s about to happen.Replies: @snorlax, @Stan Adams
Yup, family of cis-conservatives and trans-liberals.
Their degrees are in departments named Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cal, MIT) or Computer Science and Engineering. These departments are inside the engineering schools/colleges of their respective universities.
A software engineer is different than a programmer or "IT professional" in that the SW engineer took courses in writing e.g. compilers, programming languages, and operating systems, as well as electives in say, distributed computing or comp graphics or theoretical topics like crypto or computability/complexity/algorithms. Learning to write code in a given language (how to program in Java/spark/python/Haskell) is not taught per se in the SW engineering major. The specific language is a tool for implementing the course material.
Programmers, by contrast, may be self taught. Maybe they took a few courses in a given language or in web design. IT professionals may have learned how to administer a database or configure a server. Usually they don't know anything about how to think about modern software.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Loveofknowledge, @anonguy
Nope, Alice, Nick G. is correct. None of that stuff is engineering. If you are not working with the physical laws of nature, you are not doing engineering, period.
This is not to say that all or any of this stuff is easy. However, if you take a big picture of what you do, and see that all the rules and methods of what you do for a living are man-made, then you should know you are not an engineer. It’s that simple.
Yes, the departments of Comp-Sci and engineering are together at many schools, but that doesn’t change who you are.
But your analogy is in error. Engineering is the man-made application of the laws of nature to solve problems. Electrical engineering created man-made computing through circuits built on the actual quantum physics and chemistry. That we apparently made models of computation doesn't mean the rules for this models were arbitrary. In fact, they were more accurately discovered themselves, as they come from mathematics, a field of discovery of truths, not inventions of them, and can be proved to be related to each other.
So computer science (a poor name, I agree) is a name for the man made application of the laws of computing. Software engineers create solutions by applying the mathematical laws of computation. These "laws" aren't usually phrased this way but that doesn't change the reality.
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.Replies: @Alice, @Jim Don Bob, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hibernian
Exactly, Nick. I would think if you were a COBOL programmer, you’d probably be calling each other “Gramps” ;-}
I was attracted to tech because of it’s indifference to racial politics + diversity and focus on meritocracy. I’m horrified to see that start to change.
There are ultra-left people in tech, but many ultra-right, too. Think of Peter Thiel, as one prominent example. Here is a hilarious video from 1996, where Peter Thiel gives a speech skewering the entire “diversity” movement in this ultra articulate, intelligent, concise, manner that is quite entertaining to listen to:
I already know there are people in Google who had a similar mindset. I am one of those people at another SF tech company.
That’s interesting, because these “fundamentally corrosive” beliefs have been pretty much a given all around the world, since the dawn of history. Whereas Google has been around for what, twenty years? Whose beliefs have a longer track record of being non-corrosive?
It is nice of them to finally admit that leftists don’t dominate all of these institutions because they’re just smarter, at least.
Their degrees are in departments named Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cal, MIT) or Computer Science and Engineering. These departments are inside the engineering schools/colleges of their respective universities.
A software engineer is different than a programmer or "IT professional" in that the SW engineer took courses in writing e.g. compilers, programming languages, and operating systems, as well as electives in say, distributed computing or comp graphics or theoretical topics like crypto or computability/complexity/algorithms. Learning to write code in a given language (how to program in Java/spark/python/Haskell) is not taught per se in the SW engineering major. The specific language is a tool for implementing the course material.
Programmers, by contrast, may be self taught. Maybe they took a few courses in a given language or in web design. IT professionals may have learned how to administer a database or configure a server. Usually they don't know anything about how to think about modern software.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Loveofknowledge, @anonguy
Maybe in theory. In practice, companies use the title “Software Engineer” all the time and often hire people for those positions who did not go to an Engineering school, take particular classes, or even go to college at all. I’ve seen it all over the place throughout my career, including at big well-known companies. There are no regulations that I know of on the use of that title.
In practice, I think it’s just title inflation – like calling salesman “Account Executives” and secretaries “Administrative Assistants” and teachers “Educators”, etc.
I’m a “Software Engineer” myself, but I never use that in casual conversation – I’d say programmer/developer, or just “I work with computers” unless I’m talking to other tech people.
“I certainly couldn’t assign any women to deal with this, a good number of the people you might have to work with may simply punch you in the face…”
Amazing how that’s becoming more and more an acceptable response.
“If you’re a professional, especially one working on systems that can use terms like “planet-scale” and “carrier-class” without the slightest exaggeration, then you’ll quickly find that the large bulk of your job is about coordinating and cooperating with other groups.”
Of course this is the rhetorical sleight of hand that’s become commonplace when discussing how “valuable” feminine traits (like “empathy”) are in the workplace these days. It’s the idea that an ability to cooperate on large scale projects requires the same interpersonal skills as those commonly associated with women. The Apollo moon landing to, indeed, as Steve points out, the rise of Google itself shows that’s laughable.
I imagine the response will be just as outrageous.Replies: @Hibernian
Martin Luther wasn’t the saint some people think he was. He trusted in princes and sons of men, and the princes in whom he trusted siezed Church land for their own benefit. Sola scriptura lead to the notion that monasticism was not in the Bible (except it was when Jesus went into the desert for 40 days) and therefore monasticism should be abolished. When it was, the land went to the princes. So Luther, an honest heretic, was no Henry VIII, but he enabled German princes who were like Henry VIII.
The Catholic Church was very corrupt at the time (this has returned); however, the Protestants, some more than others, threw the baby out with the bath water as far as doctrine, liturgy, and church governance are concerned. They also divided into many small denominations; this was also more true of some than of others.
This is what got me to stop reading:What the hell? It shouldn't matter what the political views of any biologists are. I'd just rather not see any incompetents and liars, that's all. Without them, the truth comes out of the science. No, I understand that's not what always goes on these days - I'm in John Lennon Imagine world here.
What I'd like to see is some computer guys (no there are no engineers at Google, no matter what they want to call themselves) there get really pissed off. I'd like to see some top smart people get fired. It'd be bad for them personally, true, but, man, one can do a LOT of damage as a laid-off computer guy, so long as one took care of things before the pw or account is deleted. I want to see that place get hacked up to where people resort to duckduckgo and others. That's one version of anti-trust "action" I could get behind, a topic that Mr. Sailer has been mentioning often lately.Replies: @WowJustWow, @Hibernian
“…no there are no engineers at Google…”
They’ve got to have a few hardware engineers in the Bay Area. Also I think they own the old Motorola Mobility in Chicago.
Julian Assange has chimed in on this:
He also just posted a series of tweets on, essentially, the Sailer Strategy and ethnic identity politics:
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It’s really astounding that the idea that men and women are biologically different has become so controversial. I think everybody deep down knows that it’s true, you’re just not supposed to talk about it openly. Same for biological race differences.
I’m not even saying that it’s inherently wrong for a society to have things we all know to be true but consider it impolite to bring up or dwell on. Probably most societies have various taboos like that, around things like sex, death, etc.
The problem for me, as a white man, is that denialism of biological race and sex differences inevitably leads to unfair hatred, resentment, blaming, scapegoating, and vilifying of white men.
There’s no way around it – significant disparities in average group outcomes exist and are plain to see – so how do you explain the disparities? If you deny that biology is a factor, somebody or something else has to be blamed for it. And that something is going to be some sort of unjust societal discrimination perpetrated and maintained by white men. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist it all, but it’s nowhere near a sufficient cause.
If you don’t want me to talk about biological race and sex differences, then you have to stop blaming and attacking me (and other white guys) for causing the disparities. Otherwise, I have no choice but to bring it up, simply out of self-defense.
One thing I disagree with the author about is that I support mentoring-type programs aimed specifically at women in technology (“Girls who Code”, etc.) – not because women are equal to men on average in talent and interest in programming, but precisely because they’re not.
What if I have a daughter someday who is good at and interested in science and technology? This is not just an abstract question, I’m a huge math and science geek and we know that intelligence and personality traits are heritable. I would want her to cultivate her interests and go as far as her talents would take her, and I can imagine it being good for her to be around other girls and not be intimated by the inherently more aggressive, more numerous, and more talented boys in the field.
I think most guys in tech want to support the few women who really are good at and interested in this stuff, but people need to stop attacking and blaming us for the average differences.
The thing about it is, they do admit it, sometimes. Like, for example. If you say that you're tired of hearing about transgender people and putting up with their little fantasies, the average Google employee would tell you that of course transgenderism is real. If you were to scan the brain of a "trans woman", supposedly you'd find that "her" brain is more like that of a real woman than of a man. Despite what his genitals and chromosomes might say.
You can poke holes in the logic of all that easily enough, but the point is, they acknowledge that there IS a difference when you talk about that. They just never acknowledge that there are differences between men and women unless they need to in order to advance a further level of poz.
It's kind of like how liberals claim that IQ is totally meaningless, until you tell them that liberals have higher IQs than conservatives. Then, all of a sudden, it becomes one more thing for them to be smug about.Replies: @anonguy
The funniest thing about that stupid note is what some reader highlighted (probably as profound truth):
Man's erring Judgment, and misguide the Mind,
What the weak Head with strongest Byass rules,
Is Pride, the never-failing Vice of Fools.
Whatever Nature has in Worth deny'd,
She gives in large Recruits of needful Pride;
For as in Bodies, thus in Souls, we find
What wants in Blood and Spirits, swell'd with Wind;
Pride, where Wit fails, steps in to our Defence,
And fills up all the mighty Void of Sense!
If once right Reason drives that Cloud away,
Truth breaks upon us with resistless Day;
Trust not your self; but your Defects to know,
Make use of ev'ry Friend--and ev'ry Foe.
A little Learning is a dang'rous Thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
Fir'd at first Sight with what the Muse imparts,
In fearless Youth we tempt the Heights of Arts,
While from the bounded Level of our Mind,
Short Views we take, nor see the lengths behind,
But more advanc'd, behold with strange Surprize
New, distant Scenes of endless Science rise!
So pleas'd at first, the towring Alps we try,
Mount o'er the Vales, and seem to tread the Sky;
Th' Eternal Snows appear already past,
And the first Clouds and Mountains seem the last:
But those attain'd, we tremble to survey
The growing Labours of the lengthen'd Way,
Th' increasing Prospect tires our wandering Eyes,
Hills peep o'er Hills, and Alps on Alps arise!"
- Pope, Essay on CriticismReplies: @Anon
Beautiful and Thanks
My prediction: Google will not officially identify him but he will be doxed by coworkers nevertheless. Most Google employees are PC-poisoned to the core and would do anything to protect their beliefs.Replies: @L Woods
And to curry favor/virtue signal, let’s not forget. Also my phone just autocorrected “virtue” to “virus;” how very fitting.
Many moons back I was a COBOL programmer on IBM mainframes and we never called each other engineers.Replies: @Alice, @Jim Don Bob, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hibernian
At some point programming began to be called sofware engineering and computer hardware engineering came to be called architecture. As time went on that architecture designation seemed to go away; also the word “software” began to be dropped from “software engineering.”
They've got to have a few hardware engineers in the Bay Area. Also I think they own the old Motorola Mobility in Chicago.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Yeah, hardware … gonna be some engineering involved.
how raciss of Google to hire a non AA diversity commissar
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Danielle+Mastrangel+Brown+TechCrunch+Disrupt+fQC0_cb5Syal.jpgReplies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian
With the maiden name Mastrangel she might be Hispanic. A white Hispanic, to be sure.
God, what a smug, ignorant, pontificating and totalitarian creep this guy “Yonatan” is.
He doesn’t even bother to refute a single claim made in the memo regarding the real possibility of male/female differences. Somehow, this moron thinks that the complete equality of male/female brains is so obvious he doesn’t have to address it.
Our “elite” in action.
Maybe Mr. Know-it-all should explain to us how this entire issue of the Journal of Neuroscience Research is nothing but transparent pseudo-science:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.v95.1-2/issuetoc
Exactly right!
Joel is right. Java opened the floodgates for reasonably bright individuals to start calling themselves “engineers” by being modestly productive at scut programming work.
Not that Java is for scut work, hardly, but array out of bounds exceptions and null pointer exceptions especially allowed scut work portions of a product to be handled by low skill individuals.
Their degrees are in departments named Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cal, MIT) or Computer Science and Engineering. These departments are inside the engineering schools/colleges of their respective universities.
A software engineer is different than a programmer or "IT professional" in that the SW engineer took courses in writing e.g. compilers, programming languages, and operating systems, as well as electives in say, distributed computing or comp graphics or theoretical topics like crypto or computability/complexity/algorithms. Learning to write code in a given language (how to program in Java/spark/python/Haskell) is not taught per se in the SW engineering major. The specific language is a tool for implementing the course material.
Programmers, by contrast, may be self taught. Maybe they took a few courses in a given language or in web design. IT professionals may have learned how to administer a database or configure a server. Usually they don't know anything about how to think about modern software.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Loveofknowledge, @anonguy
That still isn’t engineering except by the Humpty Dumpty rule of what a word means.
Interesting your name is Alice.
Googlers,
I’m Danielle, Google’s brand new VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance. I started just a couple of weeks ago, and I had hoped to take another week or so to get the lay of the land before introducing myself to you all. But given the heated debate we’ve seen over the past few days, I feel compelled to say a few words.
Many of you have read an internal document shared by someone in our engineering organization, expressing views on the natural abilities and characteristics of different genders, as well as whether one can speak freely of these things at Google. And like many of you, I found that it advanced incorrect assumptions about gender. I’m not going to link to it here as it’s not a viewpoint that I or this company endorses, promotes or encourages.
Diversity and inclusion are a fundamental part of our values and the culture we continue to cultivate. We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company, and we’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul. As Ari Balogh said in his internal G+ post, “Building an open, inclusive environment is core to who we are, and the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said. “
Google has taken a strong stand on this issue, by releasing its demographic data and creating a company wide OKR on diversity and inclusion. Strong stands elicit strong reactions. Changing a culture is hard, and it’s often uncomfortable. But I firmly believe Google is doing the right thing, and that’s why I took this job.
Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
I’ve been in the industry for a long time, and I can tell you that I’ve never worked at a company that has so many platforms for employees to express themselves—TGIF, Memegen, internal G+, thousands of discussion groups. I know this conversation doesn’t end with my email today. I look forward to continuing to hear your thoughts as I settle in and meet with Googlers across the company.
Thanks,
Danielle
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320Replies: @AM, @anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Clyde, @Pericles, @Mr. Anon
Here is a picture of Google’s Special Commissar for Diversity,
StrelnikovDanielle BrownShe doesn’t seem to be wearing enough flair (but, that’s her choice), so I question how committed she is to the team.
Tragedy of the commons. Smaller family sizes–>smart girls pressured to carry on the family name/support parents through high achievement. Daughters filling the roles of missing sons.
That may be a factor for some cases but the majority have been conditioned by feminist media and various other sources to flinch when they hear “homemaker”, “good provider”, “go to school to find a good husband”, “division of labor in the household”, “prime reproductive years”, “barefoot and pregnant” and so on and so forth.
Some parents make the mistake of reinforcing the PC norms. They should say that their greatest power is in reproduction so best to find the best man possible who is capable and willing to provide for a large family. One of your advantages in life will be that few women will be seriously competing with you at the age and stage you will be competing with others. There are plenty of areas in life where the secret fashy knowledge/attitude is an advantage in life. E.g. honestly how attractive is it for a man to find some ultra-liberal feminist vegan cat owner?
I guess the Simpsons did show the other side of the coin at least once, to their credit.
Not that Java is for scut work, hardly, but array out of bounds exceptions and null pointer exceptions especially allowed scut work portions of a product to be handled by low skill individuals.Replies: @Anonymous
As computers increase in power and coding becomes more abstracted from hardware, it will eventually become something anybody of average ability can do competently. Surely this is a good thing?
In Leisure Suit Larry 2, the title character meets a beautiful native girl on an exotic tropical island in the South Pacific. The "Test of Island Courage" that he must pass to win her father's approval is the ultimate challenge for any virile young man: writing a program from scratch in PC assembly language.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q4rYhQpGmRI#t=1h22m50s
(I'm on a girly iPad, so the above link doesn't work for me. The part I'm talking about begins at 1:22:50, or thereabouts.)
This is already happening, and we're reaching the point where the systems are too complex to rebuild if any event knocks this stuff off line.
As the layers of abstraction increase, no one understand the systems. So many moving parts are present now that any given person has a much harder time knowing the effects and side effects on their system.
Coding isn't getting "easier", as a result. It is being "dumbed down". Yes, there are more and more people who are basically "coding by Google" where they just search for code that might do something that maybe kinda what they and they cut n paste. But they can't think it through; can't debug; can't solve a problem.
So the tip top As are writing more and more code to turn out mechanism for the Cs to just push a button. But then you only need a monkey, not a person. This isn't like an army it David's with their own diy 3d printer. This is like Idiocracy.
And there's even fewer people who can't fix or implement the system.
"The Navy is a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots."
I come from a large Jewish, Israeli family. On the religious side, it varies from the ultra-Orthodox (In the rabbi business for over 2,500 years) to ultra-secular (Karl Marx is my Nth cousin), and watching this discourse play out left me deeply interested in all the related matters, from individual faith (and how it differs for people) to the social meaning of religion. On the political side, you can’t grow up with wars breaking out at the drop of a hat and not become a news junkie. You just can’t. So I read it compulsively. And analyze it compulsively, looking for signals of what’s really going on and what’s about to happen.Replies: @snorlax, @Stan Adams
I wonder how many of Steve’s regular commenters have at least one Jewish grandparent.
For the record, I’m all goy, all of the time.
The outrage over this man’s opinion seems like a complete nothingburger to me. But honest, sensible, opinionated, well-reasoned argument will always outrage a certain segment of the population.
In times where men take care not to reward it, its impact is minimal.
Have you ever played any of the old Sierra games?
In Leisure Suit Larry 2, the title character meets a beautiful native girl on an exotic tropical island in the South Pacific. The “Test of Island Courage” that he must pass to win her father’s approval is the ultimate challenge for any virile young man: writing a program from scratch in PC assembly language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4rYhQpGmRI#t=1h22m50s
(I’m on a girly iPad, so the above link doesn’t work for me. The part I’m talking about begins at 1:22:50, or thereabouts.)
That’s funny. Though any bright late 80s/early 90s kid knew how to crack DOS games. It wasn’t programming but it did give a good basic knowledge of the language.
I'm not even saying that it's inherently wrong for a society to have things we all know to be true but consider it impolite to bring up or dwell on. Probably most societies have various taboos like that, around things like sex, death, etc.
The problem for me, as a white man, is that denialism of biological race and sex differences inevitably leads to unfair hatred, resentment, blaming, scapegoating, and vilifying of white men.
There's no way around it - significant disparities in average group outcomes exist and are plain to see - so how do you explain the disparities? If you deny that biology is a factor, somebody or something else has to be blamed for it. And that something is going to be some sort of unjust societal discrimination perpetrated and maintained by white men. I'm not saying it doesn't exist it all, but it's nowhere near a sufficient cause.
If you don't want me to talk about biological race and sex differences, then you have to stop blaming and attacking me (and other white guys) for causing the disparities. Otherwise, I have no choice but to bring it up, simply out of self-defense.
One thing I disagree with the author about is that I support mentoring-type programs aimed specifically at women in technology ("Girls who Code", etc.) - not because women are equal to men on average in talent and interest in programming, but precisely because they're not.
What if I have a daughter someday who is good at and interested in science and technology? This is not just an abstract question, I'm a huge math and science geek and we know that intelligence and personality traits are heritable. I would want her to cultivate her interests and go as far as her talents would take her, and I can imagine it being good for her to be around other girls and not be intimated by the inherently more aggressive, more numerous, and more talented boys in the field.
I think most guys in tech want to support the few women who really are good at and interested in this stuff, but people need to stop attacking and blaming us for the average differences.Replies: @anon
It’s really astounding that the idea that men and women are biologically different has become so controversial. I think everybody deep down knows that it’s true, you’re just not supposed to talk about it openly.
The thing about it is, they do admit it, sometimes. Like, for example. If you say that you’re tired of hearing about transgender people and putting up with their little fantasies, the average Google employee would tell you that of course transgenderism is real. If you were to scan the brain of a “trans woman”, supposedly you’d find that “her” brain is more like that of a real woman than of a man. Despite what his genitals and chromosomes might say.
You can poke holes in the logic of all that easily enough, but the point is, they acknowledge that there IS a difference when you talk about that. They just never acknowledge that there are differences between men and women unless they need to in order to advance a further level of poz.
It’s kind of like how liberals claim that IQ is totally meaningless, until you tell them that liberals have higher IQs than conservatives. Then, all of a sudden, it becomes one more thing for them to be smug about.
Actually having him admit to and abjectly apologize publicly for his thought crimes will be Google’s goal. After admitting that he really truly does love Big Brother, he will then begin a second career as a reformed racist and go around and give pep talks to minority 8th graders about why they should pursue a STEM career.
That may be a factor for some cases but the majority have been conditioned by feminist media and various other sources to flinch when they hear "homemaker", "good provider", "go to school to find a good husband", "division of labor in the household", "prime reproductive years", "barefoot and pregnant" and so on and so forth.
https://youtu.be/JE9uBl8PO5k
Some parents make the mistake of reinforcing the PC norms. They should say that their greatest power is in reproduction so best to find the best man possible who is capable and willing to provide for a large family. One of your advantages in life will be that few women will be seriously competing with you at the age and stage you will be competing with others. There are plenty of areas in life where the secret fashy knowledge/attitude is an advantage in life. E.g. honestly how attractive is it for a man to find some ultra-liberal feminist vegan cat owner?
I guess the Simpsons did show the other side of the coin at least once, to their credit.
https://youtu.be/Q60wHn1-rgEReplies: @Desiderius
The one who convinces her rivals not to compete at all often has a leg up over those focused merely on besting their rivals.
Affinity groups between the individual and universal can allow cooperation to emerge out of competition.
The outrage is tactical.
In times where men take care not to reward it, its impact is minimal.
This is not to say that all or any of this stuff is easy. However, if you take a big picture of what you do, and see that all the rules and methods of what you do for a living are man-made, then you should know you are not an engineer. It's that simple.
Yes, the departments of Comp-Sci and engineering are together at many schools, but that doesn't change who you are.Replies: @Alice
Actually what I studied wasn’t engineering, and it isn’t what I do these days.. I have much better job, wife and mother.
But your analogy is in error. Engineering is the man-made application of the laws of nature to solve problems. Electrical engineering created man-made computing through circuits built on the actual quantum physics and chemistry. That we apparently made models of computation doesn’t mean the rules for this models were arbitrary. In fact, they were more accurately discovered themselves, as they come from mathematics, a field of discovery of truths, not inventions of them, and can be proved to be related to each other.
So computer science (a poor name, I agree) is a name for the man made application of the laws of computing. Software engineers create solutions by applying the mathematical laws of computation. These “laws” aren’t usually phrased this way but that doesn’t change the reality.
No, because the growing complexity prevents those from average ability from being effective.
This is already happening, and we’re reaching the point where the systems are too complex to rebuild if any event knocks this stuff off line.
As the layers of abstraction increase, no one understand the systems. So many moving parts are present now that any given person has a much harder time knowing the effects and side effects on their system.
Coding isn’t getting “easier”, as a result. It is being “dumbed down”. Yes, there are more and more people who are basically “coding by Google” where they just search for code that might do something that maybe kinda what they and they cut n paste. But they can’t think it through; can’t debug; can’t solve a problem.
So the tip top As are writing more and more code to turn out mechanism for the Cs to just push a button. But then you only need a monkey, not a person. This isn’t like an army it David’s with their own diy 3d printer. This is like Idiocracy.
And there’s even fewer people who can’t fix or implement the system.
A very good thing. In general, as a design goal for any system, I hew towards with Herman Wouk’s observation in The Caine Mutiny, an excellent read, BTW:
“The Navy is a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots.”
The thing about it is, they do admit it, sometimes. Like, for example. If you say that you're tired of hearing about transgender people and putting up with their little fantasies, the average Google employee would tell you that of course transgenderism is real. If you were to scan the brain of a "trans woman", supposedly you'd find that "her" brain is more like that of a real woman than of a man. Despite what his genitals and chromosomes might say.
You can poke holes in the logic of all that easily enough, but the point is, they acknowledge that there IS a difference when you talk about that. They just never acknowledge that there are differences between men and women unless they need to in order to advance a further level of poz.
It's kind of like how liberals claim that IQ is totally meaningless, until you tell them that liberals have higher IQs than conservatives. Then, all of a sudden, it becomes one more thing for them to be smug about.Replies: @anonguy
But is this true?
A lot of them fell for it, and seemed really proud that their side did better on that formerly meaningless test.
The North Koreans call that “self criticism” time.
I last wrote code in the late 80s, and I’m 57, so you have a point. Though there is still plenty of legacy COBOL code running and COBOL coding jobs are still out there.
Nothing says “collaberation” quite like If you don’t like my idea then I’ll let it be known you’re contributing to a toxic atmosphere for women/PoC at the company.
It is amusing that Danielle Brown is Google’s “VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance”.
It is understandable that a company whose mission is focussed on technology and advertising needs a VP to think about diversity and governance. But integrity? This suggests that either:
(1) Integrity is not something that Google sees as part of the job of every executive;
(2) This VP’s role is makework, BS, and window-dressing;
(3) Both of the above.
Unfortunately for those who have managed to escape from white male cis-gendered heterosexuals, the “oppression” does not stop. Coraline Ada Ehmke is a respected coder, who landed her dream job in a “Community & Safety” team comprising “5 women and one man: two of us trans, three women of color”.
She was fired by her female manager for, among other things, multiple instances of a “non-empathetic communication style”.
This is an example of “social justice” biting back: if you want a workplace in which minorities are treated as special snowflakes, then your own dealings with those employees will be scrutinised for petty transgressions.
http://where.coraline.codes/blog/my-year-at-github/
Meritocracy is no substitute for management, but only in the sense that multiplication is no substitute for trigonometry: meritocracy is an integral aspect of management; a necessary and damned near if concededly not quite aspect of it.
This writer rejects meritocracy; she is not a serious person. Presumably she believes drooling half-wits are as appropriate as geniuses to lead large firms, those with tremors as qualified as those with steady hands to perform difficult surgeries, and those with perfect pitch and a vocal range of four octaves as talented at singing as a tone-deaf, aryhthmic brute.
Idiocracy indeed.
I don’t know whether it’s true or not. I doubt that there’s that much of a difference, on average. I just know that, for awhile there, every time there was an election, someone would put out this fake article about a fake study that showed that Democratic voters had higher IQs than Republican ones.
A lot of them fell for it, and seemed really proud that their side did better on that formerly meaningless test.
Also two gorgeous brilliant conservative young ladies who are easy on the eyes...how refreshing!Replies: @larry lurker
Ahem… Lauren Southern is a man.
Just what in Hell is ostensibly diverse about females I cannot say; they are a majority of the population and they exist in every place and in every situation that males do; if they did not, humans would soon enough be extinct. Indeed, no single person can be diverse nor “of [a] diverse background…” (whatever the Hell that latter means). A group of people can be diverse: a group including an sniper, a combat medic, and a translator have a more diverse range of occupations than one of three dentists.* Diversity is necessarily an adjective requiring comparisions and so not applicable to any single referent in a vacuum. In any event, the diverse group are handy for, say, a team of Navy SEALs; but not so much for running a dental practice. Diversity in and if itself has no value; any value it may have is entirely contextual.
Meritocracy is no substitute for management, but only in the sense that multiplication is no substitute for trigonometry: meritocracy is an integral aspect of management; a necessary and damned near if concededly not quite aspect of it.
This writer rejects meritocracy; she is not a serious person. Presumably she believes drooling half-wits are as appropriate as geniuses to lead large firms, those with tremors as qualified as those with steady hands to perform difficult surgeries, and those with perfect pitch and a vocal range of four octaves as talented at singing as a tone-deaf, aryhthmic brute.
Idiocracy indeed.
Moreover, a large fraction of the “whites” are no doubt Jewish. Probably only 30–40% of Google’s tech employees are white gentile men, in a country where they’re 70% of the workforce. This puts the lie to any claims that what matters is improving the representation of “underrepresented” groups.
Danielle Brown is token high-yella former Spice Girl Mel B.’s little sister.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_B
She is a twofer in the tech world, so she gets to ride the merry-go-round.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/intels-former-chief-diversity-and-inclusion-officer-has-left-the-company/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_B
She is a twofer in the tech world, so she gets to ride the merry-go-round.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/intels-former-chief-diversity-and-inclusion-officer-has-left-the-company/Replies: @Brutusale
Bad link information. I so wanted it to be true!