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It’s impossible to draw trustworthy conclusions about the tiny sample of mass killing shooters, but one obvious possibility is that the enormous attention paid to the 18-year-old who shot up a Buffalo supermarket full of blacks on May 14, 2022 for white racist reasons encouraged the 18-year-old Uvalde shooter to buy guns last week a few days later and carry out a similar massacre on May 25, 2002.

In my 2012 Taki’s Magazine column, I labeled these kind of mass killing shooters as “Monsters of Egotism.” Attention-seeking sounds like one plausible motivation. In response, the press has downplayed use of shooters’ names in recent years. But in the case of white killers of nonwhites, it can’t help itself from going hog wild in giving them attention.

But, who knows for sure?

 
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  1. • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @nebulafox

    Sure, but never forget the Deep State factor (this is for all the intelligence lickspittle flunkies/shills/trolls on this site who loudly and vehemently deflect away from any and all legit suspicions of psy-ops):

    A “retired” federal agent was on the Buffalo shooter’s Discord chat site with him just before the shooting.

    Probably talking about the weather, right fellas? . . .

    https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.amp.html

  2. Democrats love it when kids die.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @tyrone

    GFY

    No we don’t

    We won’t to keep them alive

    That is why we want common sense gun regulation

    Republicans and conservatives are sacrificing children for reasons beyond me

    Watch this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA

    This is all on republicans

    Replies: @Known Fact, @jsm, @ArthurinCali

  3. I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @epebble

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses? Kid probably just sold prescription drugs or something. Or, of course, some three letter agency sponsored him.

    Replies: @epebble, @al gore rhythms

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @epebble

    Keep wondering, because that’s an angle the media won’t touch with a ten foot pole. Wouldn’t want anyone thinking he had handlers and/or encouragement from some quarters (with origins in DC or Langley).

    , @animalogic
    @epebble

    Yes -- I would love to know where an 18 yr old got the money for 2 assault rifles & body armour, ammo & etc's. Maybe I'm naive -- perhaps it's common for 18 yr olds to have that type of dough.
    It seems he also got everything pretty fast, but I guess Texas is pretty easy on weapon acquisition.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @epebble

    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    Since he had no state identification, how the hell could the ATF state within hours that the rifle purchases were “legal”?

    How the hell could he have “legally” purchased anything, let alone several thousand dollars worth of rifles, ammo and armor?

    Answer?

    He didn’t.

    Someone else fronted him the money for reasons unknown.

    Which might explain why a few months ago he suddenly began telling people that he was untouchable . . .

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @epebble


    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing.
     
    The latter is just the non-slave state norm of America, which Texas is a common exemplar of. Plenty of "kids" buy guns as soon as they're able to and very very few do anything bad with them; plenty including myself have full access to a wide array of them long before we turn 18 and again don't do anything bad with them. The knowledge is trivially available on the Internet, and the gun store will of course walk you through filling out the infamous ATF Form 4473 correctly.

    The cash can be explained ... and here I suppose the situation or the guy is getting weird, by not having serious expenses while working a job. Perhaps working long hours after he dropped out of school. The weird thing is that most people aren't very frugal especially when young; we might hypothesize that whatever the trigger, he was planning on doing evil with them sooner or later and thus was saving up for the purchases.
    , @Alden
    @epebble

    Ramos had worked at Wendy’s for years. No rent and utilities to pay no food to buy got free meals at work. Probably bought clothes and video games or why kids work. . May have worked more than 20 hours a week as he stopped going to school. Saved his money for the big day. Or maybe did a little weed selling, stealing, kids do that you know..

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @epebble

    Since Ramos did not have a driver’s license, (!!!) might someone in the MSM ask the ATF how they “knew” by late Tuesday afternoon that his rifle purchases on May 17 and May 20 were legal?

    How the hell does an 18 year old with no job and no driver’s license - no state-issued picture ID! - buy anything legally, let alone thousands of dollars worth of firearms, ammo and body armor?

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    Replies: @epebble

  4. Didn’t the MSM vow at some point to stop covering mass shooters like they’re edgy teen pop idols? I guess they forgot.

  5. The corporate media didn’t go whole hog fever swamp crazy after that Baby Boomer nut killed and wounded all those people in Nevada.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Charles Pewitt

    Four days after the Vegas shooting, the NY Times reported on allogations of sexual misconduct by a well-known film producer.

    Nothing would ever be the same again.

  6. Meanwhile, a threatened Angels move to Long Beach (is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?) has cost the jobs of an Indian (dot, or rather turban) mayor and a Persian party official, one of each party.

    Long Beach courts MLB’s Angels after Anaheim deal collapses amid scandal

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar


    is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?
     
    In terms of sports, Long Beach is considered to be the same "city" as Los Angeles and Anaheim, considering it is in Los Angeles County. But, to answer your question literally, Austin, Texas, is 11th in population but has no major league sports teams, toping out at AAA with the Round Rock Express. Fort Worth, El Paso, Louisville, Albuquerque, Tucson, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, and Colorado Springs are all larger than Long Beach.

    The largest DMA with no major league teams is Hartford, Connecticut, which used to have the Whalers of the WHA and NHL. The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AnotherDad, @Steve Sailer

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @Reg Cæsar

    Meanwhile, a threatened Angels move to Long Beach (is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?) has cost the jobs of an Indian (dot, or rather turban) mayor and a Persian party official, one of each party.

    I say:

    “We Still Seek No Wider War.” — Lyndon B. Johnson

    “We Still Sikh A Bit More Grift.” — Sikh B. Grifty

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1529180063777841152?s=20&t=6dFBma6GMDLDZQ_5xmo3cg

  7. Of course it did..that’s why they do it…to trigger dangerously mentally ill copycats…instead of holding government officials responsible…to further their fascist gun control agenda.

  8. What does not get acknowledged enough is the vast number of mentally unbalanced individuals in our society who have the potential to be set off by excessive news coverage, especially of mass shooters.

    Story after story put out on the Buffalo shooter certainly demonstrated on some level to the Uvalde shooter that his pathetic existence would have ample attention in the media.

    This in turn allows the Left to shed crocodile tears and try to forward their gun control agenda. Strange how the violence in say Chicago, or multiple mass shootings that involve minorities are absent from this effort.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @ArthurinCali

    You’re assuming Ramos watched TV news and or read newspapers. He’s a whole nother generation actually 2 generations away from the old folks who watch TV and read newspapers.

  9. So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Daniel H

    The latest shooter stopped going to high school awhile back.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Daniel H


    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.
     
    I don't know about apprenticeships as a solution, but the modern American public high school where perhaps thousands of hormone-addled adolescents between 14-18 are warehoused together with a few adults all day is a bizarre institution in human history and one that's probably extremely stressful for most teens. It's when they're changing the most physically, emotionally, and psychologically, and brutal status hierarchies are established. With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar's number, only a small percentage are going to wind up at the pinnacle of the hierarchy, and everybody else will be relegated to lower status. Depression and anxiety are probably a normal reaction to such an abnormal situation. Some small percentage of kids, mostly with preexisting problems and less than optimal home lives, are going to crack up and become aggressively antisocial.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Stan Adams, @anon

    , @silviosilver
    @Daniel H


    (I hated every minute of high school.)
     
    It would be nice if it didn't take school shootings to make people realize that high school is often a horrible, soul-destroying experience for kids. The age of educational romanticism can't come quickly enough for my liking.

    Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say I hated every minute of high school. In fact, I have some rather fond memories of it, and twenty years on I still have dream scenes of high schools days (pleasant ones, not nightmares). On the other hand, I really doubt there was a single day that I looked forward to going to school, and I experienced it as an enormous relief when high school finally finished, so the reality of it was probably a lot worse than I remember.
    , @stillCARealist
    @Daniel H

    HS needs to go back to being small and voluntary. Let kids out to work anytime after age 14. If they need more education, they'll figure it out at an older age and attend a JC.

    There's something to be said for a sharp teen who would rather play video games being forced to read and study. But for most, it's just a waste of time to put them in school all day.

    I know plenty of these sharp kids, and they only enjoy school for the sake of the band, or the team, or the socializing. They'll all go on to college and continue the charade before they settle into something that they could have started at 17 or 18. A few will benefit from all this education and become stars in their field, but most will just spend the parents' money in a long, tedious process.

    , @Alden
    @Daniel H

    Being part owner and on the board of a medium sized construction company electrical hiring nothing but IBEW apprentices and inside wiremen I can tell you there are only a few Union apprentice programs left. Union supermarket workers electricians welders high iron workers. and plumbers seem to be the only viable unions and apprenticeship programs left.

    And except for the supermarket workers they require high school diplomas and the academic math not remedial arithmetic and passing a basic engineering type test You know, raven matrix etc. Plus the ability to read and understand building codes.

    The unions and their apprenticeship programs were destroyed by Nixon’s Philadelphia Plan and just 2 Satanic Supreme Court decisions Griggs vs Duke Power 1973 and Kaiser vs Weber 1979.

    Probably the only reason the judges didn’t go after IBEW is they didn’t want Home Depot parking lot illegals to do the wiring in their court houses.

    What with millions of illegals arriving every year just what we need is millions of 13-16 year olds our begging for work from the capitalist pigs. The more workers the lower the wages for everybody.

    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16. So your utopian solution is useless and just plain silly. And the kid did have a job He worked at a Wendy’s.

    Fast food wouldn’t be my choice if a career. But there are plenty of opportunities in fast food management for high school drop outs. And high school grads. There are many positions between minimum wage clerks and cooks and franchise owners.

    The kid did have a job. In restaurant business. One of the biggest industries in America today. Hires lots of high school kids and drop outs who progress to lower management He dropped out of high school Possibly worked full time. Minimum wage probably what your imaginary 13 14 year old apprentices would make.

    And it didn’t stop him from killing 21 people 19 of them 7 and 8 year olds did it.

    I really need to stop reading these idiotic comments

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @njguy73
    @Daniel H

    I remember after Columbine, People magazine interviewed some guy who suggested ending mandatory public education at 16.

    BTW, imagine being a high school freshman who turned 15 the day of the Columbine massacre. If that person graduated HS, went to college for four years, got married a month after graduating, and became a parent a year later, their kid would be a high school freshman today.

  10. @tyrone
    Democrats love it when kids die.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk

    GFY

    No we don’t

    We won’t to keep them alive

    That is why we want common sense gun regulation

    Republicans and conservatives are sacrificing children for reasons beyond me

    Watch this

    This is all on republicans

    • Troll: tyrone, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Ebony Obelisk

    I doubt NBA coaches are so voluble when the mayhem is black-generated

    , @jsm
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Hilarious, coming from a member of a party that thinks an abortion at any time for any reason is the height of morality.

    , @ArthurinCali
    @Ebony Obelisk

    If that was the case, then the perfect opportunity to pass whatever gun laws they desired would have been during the 111th Congress in 2009.

    At that moment Democrats enjoyed a filibuster-proof Senate, control of the House and the Presidential office. Having the Trifecta gave them full control of all levers of power to do that.

    Instead, they rammed through the Affordable Care Act and made sure that most of the provisions would come into full effect by 2014...long after the next Presidential election and following midterm campaign.

  11. That one plus years of others probably did influence him. The kid might not even have thought of doing such a thing otherwise.

    These events are happening at an increasing rate partly (I say partly, because remember there are many variables) because they are part of a chain reaction. As more guys shoot and kill masses, more guys see the coverage and think about doing it, resulting in even more coverage of even more mass shootings — which results in even more guys getting the idea and even more coverage, ad infinitum.

    Another analogy would be a feedback loop. We are at the stage now when the loudspeaker is screeching because the microphone is too close to it.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  12. Do typical 18 year olds follow the news?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ralph L

    I dont know about this particular 18 year old, but the orgy of coverage is consistent with every other wall to wall coverage since Covid hysteria began, with the response being that every element of society seems to be required to publicly commit.

    , @Alden
    @Ralph L

    All these comments that Ramos was influenced by the Buffalo shooter are proof of my opinion that the MEN OF UNZ aren't married and don't have teen and young adult children and grandchildren. That age group doesn't even watch TV news let alone read newspapers.

    I agree with you.

  13. My guess is that these shooters idolize prior mass shooters (some have written that the shooters “keep score” in terms of bodycount versus other “high score” killers). There’s a sort of inchoate plan that isn’t well thought out or all that realistic.

    Then, a recent, highly publicized mass shooting acts as a catalyst where the kid with an inchoate ideation about shooting people gets a nudge over onto the “make the idea real” side. A sort of “if that guy can do it, why can’t I do it?” sort of thing.

  14. …and your basic Jewish ‘conservative’s’ take:

    ‘America’s Hands Are Full of Blood’ David Frum, The Atlantic

    His solution? Three guesses.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Colin Wright

    His solution? Three guesses.

    1) More immigration, 2) More immigration, 3) War with Russia.

  15. https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/05/24/dave-chappelle-attacker-says-will-smith-slapping-chris-rock-was-an-inspiration/

    The man accused of attacking comedian Dave Chappelle at a Netflix comedy event says Will Smith’s assault on Chris Rock at the Oscars was inspiring.

  16. Anyway, Hispanic kid timed it right. Coming right on the heels of white person doing more or less the same to blacks, the media of course gave him masses of attention.

    …If he’d done it a year from now, he’d have gotten some press — but not like this. Probably we would have had to wait until the ‘we’re ignoring this because the victims are Hispanic’ angle occurred to some right-thinker.

    For reference, remember that rather generic Texas church shootin’ of a year or two back. All the usual homilies were dutifully trotted out — but it was basically gone after a day.

    Texas Mexican, by the way, seems to have been one tormented little fuck. Probably better off dead — but too bad he had to take so many with him.

  17. “But in the case of white killers of nonwhites, it can’t help itself from going hog wild in giving them attention.”

    Honestly when you put it like that, it sounds especially vile. It’s not a great idea to give these people coverage UNLESS it fits my semi-deranged aspiration for white nationalist violence. Actually a perfect Steve-post if he’s up for it, but anybody competent enough to compare the name-spreading and media coverage of the “white nationalist” shooting vs. “”average”” mass shooting? You do have the short timeframe as a good grounds for comparison, if you can lasso it with time vs. Internet archives vs. Google.

  18. One of the creepy things about studying school massacres (especially Columbine) is that you get a glimpse into the depraved pathopsychology of troubled teenage girls.

    Even now, nearly twenty-five years after their deaths, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have plenty of “fangirls” who profess their undying devotion to the killers. (This is nothing new – Charles Manson had more than his fair share of young female admirers.)

    Tumblr used to be full of this crap. That’s Dylan on the left, Eric on the right:

    (Dylan was half-Jewish, in case you were wondering.)

    The crazies began coming out of the woodwork immediately after the massacre. One girl was arrested after trying to break into the school. She said she fantasized about lying down in the victims’ blood and making love to Eric in the library.

    Eric ranted in his journal about his inability to get laid. But if he hadn’t blown his head off with his shotgun, no doubt he would have been inundated with love letters and sexy pictures.

    After killing 17 people at a school in Florida on Valentine’s Day 2018, Nikolas Cruz was captured alive. Cruz, whose face displays numerous indications of fetal alcohol syndrome, couldn’t beat them off with a stick.

    [MORE]

  19. The Buffalo shooter (like the New Zealand mosque shooter) livestreamed his rampage and it was recorded. Countless versions exist online, including one apparently edited to be played on an VR rig like Oculus. Wonder if the Uvalde kid had been watching that the last week or so?

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Paul Rise

    I don't know why this surprises me, but it's incredibly sick.

    When people talk about censorship, and I immediately react against it, I should probably keep stuff like this in mind.

  20. I hate that I scrambled to check the demographics of Uvalde, TX. But I did.

  21. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    The latest shooter stopped going to high school awhile back.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    That may have been what set him off though: every account suggests a confrontation with the grandmother who was raising him, and who either did not know he had dropped out or was expecting him to graduate with the rest of his class.

  22. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    OK, here’s a comment: “We are being gaslighted.” What we are told we see in the public schools is nothing like the reality, and has been that way since about 1970.

    19 high school kids, 2 adults (one the shooter’s teacher who’d been partly responsible for the shooter kid not graduating). All dead. Plus the shooter, of course.

    How many kids have the school system castrated over the past year? How many kids have been driven so far insane that they want to be castrated, chemically or physically? Is that more or less insane than becoming a mass shooter?

    Could it be that the public schools have been changed into a hellish environment that drives kids insane (and then either says the kids are not insane (castration) or that they were driven insane by the bulk of the American population)? And sic the FBI on anybody who questions the school’s saintly nature?

    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?

    Why in the world is

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    The kids were second graders. The teachers. We’re second grade teachers. Not high school teachers who stopped Ramos’ graduating from high school.

    It’s not teachers who prevent kids from graduating high school. It’s the counselors and deans. Who constantly check kids in the senior class records to see if they have the necessary credits and required courses to graduate. If the kids don’t have everything required, they are forced to attend special Saturday and evening classes and or summer school to graduate.

    That’s a main job of the high school counselors. Graduation

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?
     
    I have often asked myself the same question about the TSA. Why do freedom-loving Americans continue to put up with a group of people that treats everyone like criminals when Bin Laden has been dead and in his grave for more than a decade?

    My guess is that both the public schools and the TSA are first and foremost jobs programs. They are there to provide jobs for large numbers of people who are neither particularly bright nor talented. The semi-dim people become teachers and the absolutely hopeless ones go to work for the TSA.

    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates, or a TSA worker punished for failing a security audit (something the TSA fails more than 2/3 of the time)? If anyone in the private sector was this inept and inefficient, they would have gotten the chop long ago (Wall Street excepted, of course).

    I do not think it is matter of these organisations doing any good. It is that, after a time, people cannot imagine life without them, regardless of how ineffective (or outright counterproductive) they actually are.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  23. It seems Ramos had been dreaming of doing this for a long time. When he turned 18, he finally was able to purchase the weapons he needed. So it may be that the Buffalo shooting did not precipitate the Uvalde shooting. The Buffalo shooting coincidentally occurred around the time of Ramos’s 18th birthday.

    • Replies: @danand
    @Guest29048

    "...seems Ramos had been dreaming of doing this..."

    Seems that may have been so:


    "As he morphed into a 'different person' into his later teen years, one local claimed he would ride around at night with a friend firing a BB gun at random passerby."
     
  24. I remember when vile land orca Oprah Winfrey would hype unknown thrill seeking activities like lying on the center line of a busy street or “auto-erotic” asphyxiation. Occurrences of both activities exploded only after Winfrey ran segments sensationalizing the topics. She was supposedly told beforehand that running segments on those things would increase their occurrence. She deceided to run the segments anyway.

    • Replies: @Nervous in Stalingrad
    @Mike Tre


    I remember when vile land orca Oprah Winfrey would hype unknown thrill seeking activities like lying on the center line of a busy street
     
    Please tell me this bizarre pastime been designated "Oprahing."

    (Admittedly, that is unlikely, but is there a name for this activity?)
    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Mike Tre

    Werther effect

  25. What if the orgy of Buffalo coverage influenced this past Sunday’s NYC subway shooter? Apparent black guy picks out apparent random white guy for some apparent payback

  26. @Ebony Obelisk
    @tyrone

    GFY

    No we don’t

    We won’t to keep them alive

    That is why we want common sense gun regulation

    Republicans and conservatives are sacrificing children for reasons beyond me

    Watch this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA

    This is all on republicans

    Replies: @Known Fact, @jsm, @ArthurinCali

    I doubt NBA coaches are so voluble when the mayhem is black-generated

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
  27. @Ebony Obelisk
    @tyrone

    GFY

    No we don’t

    We won’t to keep them alive

    That is why we want common sense gun regulation

    Republicans and conservatives are sacrificing children for reasons beyond me

    Watch this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA

    This is all on republicans

    Replies: @Known Fact, @jsm, @ArthurinCali

    Hilarious, coming from a member of a party that thinks an abortion at any time for any reason is the height of morality.

  28. The FBI probably influenced this confused s/he more. This was a long time coming. He was armed, etc., and probably some kind of Manchurian candidate from MK-ULTRA central casting. He didn’t “suddenly” decide to do this.

  29. @Ebony Obelisk
    @tyrone

    GFY

    No we don’t

    We won’t to keep them alive

    That is why we want common sense gun regulation

    Republicans and conservatives are sacrificing children for reasons beyond me

    Watch this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5x4eHn_3tA

    This is all on republicans

    Replies: @Known Fact, @jsm, @ArthurinCali

    If that was the case, then the perfect opportunity to pass whatever gun laws they desired would have been during the 111th Congress in 2009.

    At that moment Democrats enjoyed a filibuster-proof Senate, control of the House and the Presidential office. Having the Trifecta gave them full control of all levers of power to do that.

    Instead, they rammed through the Affordable Care Act and made sure that most of the provisions would come into full effect by 2014…long after the next Presidential election and following midterm campaign.

  30. @Colin Wright
    ...and your basic Jewish 'conservative's' take:

    'America's Hands Are Full of Blood' David Frum, The Atlantic

    His solution? Three guesses.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    His solution? Three guesses.

    1) More immigration, 2) More immigration, 3) War with Russia.

    • Disagree: IHTG
  31. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    I don’t know about apprenticeships as a solution, but the modern American public high school where perhaps thousands of hormone-addled adolescents between 14-18 are warehoused together with a few adults all day is a bizarre institution in human history and one that’s probably extremely stressful for most teens. It’s when they’re changing the most physically, emotionally, and psychologically, and brutal status hierarchies are established. With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar’s number, only a small percentage are going to wind up at the pinnacle of the hierarchy, and everybody else will be relegated to lower status. Depression and anxiety are probably a normal reaction to such an abnormal situation. Some small percentage of kids, mostly with preexisting problems and less than optimal home lives, are going to crack up and become aggressively antisocial.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Did you ever hear that Adam Lanza was working on a screenplay about a love affair between a 10 year old boy and a 30 year old man? He claimed to have been molested many times by doctors. These facts didn't seem very interesting to the media, apparently.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat? I mean, there are some seriously obese kids out there, many of whom must be filled to the brim with hate and bitterness and resentment. (I should know; I was one of them.) And yet we’ve never seen a fatty shoot up a school.

    Come to think of it, fat people are underrepresented in the ranks of adult spree shooters, as well. You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people. But presumably stuffing one’s face has a moderating effect on one’s anger level.

    Do fat people commit suicide at the same rate as thin people? One might argue that being fat *is* a slow-motion form of suicide. But is there something to the idea that a fat person reaches for a Big Mac instead of a razor, that s/he/it stuffs M&Ms into his mouth instead of sleeping pills?

    In the interest of mental health, the federal government should subsidize free 20-ounce bottles of Coca-Cola Classic (none of that sugarless crap - only high-fructose corn syrup will do) and Snickers ice-cream bars for all high-school kids. Biden should make speeches mocking the popular crowd.

    (Oh, wait - he was a football player, wasn’t he? Never mind.)

    We should also do more to prepare kids coming into high school for the social realities they are about to face. Give them handy guides, such as this one:



    If you want to be popular, you will have more success if you look like this:
    https://i.ibb.co/YZ0XkqW/FA73-DF87-A718-4-B8-C-BC7-C-EDE883-E3-E31-A.jpg

    …than this:
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/maxres11.jpg

    Also, it helps to have rich parents.

    Good luck!

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Reg Cæsar

    , @anon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    >With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar’s number,

    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you're on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.

    It's a softened version of what animal litter mates do to the runt (the weaker they become, the more they get relentlessly bullied until starvation). It's in their individual Darwinian interest to keep that person beneath them-- everybody knows he is the designated whipping boy and it shall stay that way (lest it become me).

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @nebulafox

  32. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    What world do you live in where \$5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses? Kid probably just sold prescription drugs or something. Or, of course, some three letter agency sponsored him.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @puttheforkdown

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses?

    He turned 18 on May 18. Lived with grandparents. School dropout. No mention of any job.

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a $1,000 emergency expense
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    , @al gore rhythms
    @puttheforkdown

    He worked at a Wendy's until a few weeks ago.

  33. It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Harry Baldwin

    There were at least two or three in the late 80's, early 90's. One I can recall happened in 1992 just north of Sacramento, at Lindhurst High School in Olivehurst. Interestingly, the shooter in that case (alive on death row now) seemed to have a similar story/motive to the Uvalde killer. HS dropout, no job, loser etc.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).
     
    Brenda Spencer predated the Boomtown Rats:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    Charles Whitman did his thing two years before If.... [sic] came out. Ed Gein inspired Psycho. Art and media didn't make this stuff up.


    Speaking of inspiring dangerous behavior, two or three people died hunting for the $2m treasure chest art collector Forrest Fenn hid somewhere in the Rockies. His estate is now up for auction.


    Forrest, who lived in the desert,
    Left millions of dollars in trinkets.
    Head to Hindman's in old Cincinnati
    And offer them worth what you think it's.


    The Estate of Late Antiquities Dealer Forrest Fenn, Who Hid a $2 Million Treasure Chest in the Mountains, Is Heading to Auction

    An Antiquities Dealer Buried $2 Million in Treasure in the Rocky Mountains a Decade Ago. Now, an Intrepid Explorer Has Finally Found It


    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2022/05/large_301014-56_1-768x1024.jpeg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Harry Baldwin, @HammerJack

  34. But in the case of white killers of nonwhites, it can’t help itself from going hog wild in giving them attention.

    And also in the case of a certain White killer of White Leftists.

  35. In a deracinated, individualistic society full of broken families, such behaviour is going to be more common.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dream

    Yes, they don't want to roll up rights to make anything better, they want a situation where not only is everything much worse but you cannot scream.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    Meanwhile, a threatened Angels move to Long Beach (is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?) has cost the jobs of an Indian (dot, or rather turban) mayor and a Persian party official, one of each party.


    Long Beach courts MLB's Angels after Anaheim deal collapses amid scandal

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Charles Pewitt

    is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?

    In terms of sports, Long Beach is considered to be the same “city” as Los Angeles and Anaheim, considering it is in Los Angeles County. But, to answer your question literally, Austin, Texas, is 11th in population but has no major league sports teams, toping out at AAA with the Round Rock Express. Fort Worth, El Paso, Louisville, Albuquerque, Tucson, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, and Colorado Springs are all larger than Long Beach.

    The largest DMA with no major league teams is Hartford, Connecticut, which used to have the Whalers of the WHA and NHL. The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @ScarletNumber

    What about the Tidewater / Hampton Roads metro area (Norfolk/Virginia Beach)? Not sure if it’s true now, but at one point that metro area was larger than the Charlotte or Nashville metro areas .

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @AnotherDad
    @ScarletNumber


    The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.
     
    This just seems like some dubious counting (TV sets?) in this "media market" DMA deal.

    The Austin-Round Rock MSA alone is solidly bigger than either the Tidewater or Greenville CSAs--which rope in everything. (And the Tidewater is the bigger of those two.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    One deal with a few of these medium sized big cities is that the BSU's (big state university) sports program serves the same function of providing the "circuses" part of "bread and circuses". Growing up in Ohio, we all thought the Buckeyes pretty much were Columbus's professional sports teams. Longhorns in Austin. Raleigh-Durham has two choices--successful when it comes to basketball.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Steve Sailer

    , @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    Austin, TX has some prosperous businesses and wealthy people, as well as is growing fast, and is a long way from any other major league city other than San Antonio (one team), so it likely will get a major league franchise at some point.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  37. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    Keep wondering, because that’s an angle the media won’t touch with a ten foot pole. Wouldn’t want anyone thinking he had handlers and/or encouragement from some quarters (with origins in DC or Langley).

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  38. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar


    is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?
     
    In terms of sports, Long Beach is considered to be the same "city" as Los Angeles and Anaheim, considering it is in Los Angeles County. But, to answer your question literally, Austin, Texas, is 11th in population but has no major league sports teams, toping out at AAA with the Round Rock Express. Fort Worth, El Paso, Louisville, Albuquerque, Tucson, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, and Colorado Springs are all larger than Long Beach.

    The largest DMA with no major league teams is Hartford, Connecticut, which used to have the Whalers of the WHA and NHL. The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AnotherDad, @Steve Sailer

    What about the Tidewater / Hampton Roads metro area (Norfolk/Virginia Beach)? Not sure if it’s true now, but at one point that metro area was larger than the Charlotte or Nashville metro areas .

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Tidewater is 46th, while Greenville is 35th. They are smaller than Charlotte and Nashville, but larger than New Orleans, Memphis, and Buffalo, to pick three major league cities.

  39. @Harry Baldwin
    It's strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. "If..." (1968), "Homecoming Queen Has a Gun" (novelty song, 1984), "Heathers" (1988), "Basketball Diaries" (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Reg Cæsar

    There were at least two or three in the late 80’s, early 90’s. One I can recall happened in 1992 just north of Sacramento, at Lindhurst High School in Olivehurst. Interestingly, the shooter in that case (alive on death row now) seemed to have a similar story/motive to the Uvalde killer. HS dropout, no job, loser etc.

  40. @Steve Sailer
    @Daniel H

    The latest shooter stopped going to high school awhile back.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That may have been what set him off though: every account suggests a confrontation with the grandmother who was raising him, and who either did not know he had dropped out or was expecting him to graduate with the rest of his class.

  41. @Dream
    In a deracinated, individualistic society full of broken families, such behaviour is going to be more common.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yes, they don’t want to roll up rights to make anything better, they want a situation where not only is everything much worse but you cannot scream.

  42. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Daniel H


    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.
     
    I don't know about apprenticeships as a solution, but the modern American public high school where perhaps thousands of hormone-addled adolescents between 14-18 are warehoused together with a few adults all day is a bizarre institution in human history and one that's probably extremely stressful for most teens. It's when they're changing the most physically, emotionally, and psychologically, and brutal status hierarchies are established. With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar's number, only a small percentage are going to wind up at the pinnacle of the hierarchy, and everybody else will be relegated to lower status. Depression and anxiety are probably a normal reaction to such an abnormal situation. Some small percentage of kids, mostly with preexisting problems and less than optimal home lives, are going to crack up and become aggressively antisocial.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Stan Adams, @anon

    Did you ever hear that Adam Lanza was working on a screenplay about a love affair between a 10 year old boy and a 30 year old man? He claimed to have been molested many times by doctors. These facts didn’t seem very interesting to the media, apparently.

  43. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Daniel H


    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.
     
    I don't know about apprenticeships as a solution, but the modern American public high school where perhaps thousands of hormone-addled adolescents between 14-18 are warehoused together with a few adults all day is a bizarre institution in human history and one that's probably extremely stressful for most teens. It's when they're changing the most physically, emotionally, and psychologically, and brutal status hierarchies are established. With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar's number, only a small percentage are going to wind up at the pinnacle of the hierarchy, and everybody else will be relegated to lower status. Depression and anxiety are probably a normal reaction to such an abnormal situation. Some small percentage of kids, mostly with preexisting problems and less than optimal home lives, are going to crack up and become aggressively antisocial.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Stan Adams, @anon

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat? I mean, there are some seriously obese kids out there, many of whom must be filled to the brim with hate and bitterness and resentment. (I should know; I was one of them.) And yet we’ve never seen a fatty shoot up a school.

    Come to think of it, fat people are underrepresented in the ranks of adult spree shooters, as well. You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people. But presumably stuffing one’s face has a moderating effect on one’s anger level.

    Do fat people commit suicide at the same rate as thin people? One might argue that being fat *is* a slow-motion form of suicide. But is there something to the idea that a fat person reaches for a Big Mac instead of a razor, that s/he/it stuffs M&Ms into his mouth instead of sleeping pills?

    In the interest of mental health, the federal government should subsidize free 20-ounce bottles of Coca-Cola Classic (none of that sugarless crap – only high-fructose corn syrup will do) and Snickers ice-cream bars for all high-school kids. Biden should make speeches mocking the popular crowd.

    (Oh, wait – he was a football player, wasn’t he? Never mind.)

    We should also do more to prepare kids coming into high school for the social realities they are about to face. Give them handy guides, such as this one:

    [MORE]

    If you want to be popular, you will have more success if you look like this:

    …than this:

    Also, it helps to have rich parents.

    Good luck!

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Stan Adams


    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat?
     
    How many young men are obese at that age vs. young women? Haven't tried to figure this out, but my impression is that it's much more a problem for women, with men catching up later, but not entirely. There ought to be age stratified BMI data out there if anyone wants to follow up on your interesting hypothesis.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan Adams


    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat?
     
    They weed themselves out in the planning stage. Less agile, bigger target, etc. (Peter Chiodo might have been the biggest target ever.)

    There is always a planning stage.


    You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people.
     
    The sullen ones already know why people hate them, or are imagined to. The killers often have no clue.

    Many fat kids are popular-- like homos, they deal with their situation by sharpening their skill at humor. Stand-ups and comic actors are often overweight-- Candy, Farley, Anderson, Roseanne. Thick is the shtick.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  44. @Harry Baldwin
    It's strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. "If..." (1968), "Homecoming Queen Has a Gun" (novelty song, 1984), "Heathers" (1988), "Basketball Diaries" (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).

    Brenda Spencer predated the Boomtown Rats:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    Charles Whitman did his thing two years before If…. [sic] came out. Ed Gein inspired Psycho. Art and media didn’t make this stuff up.

    Speaking of inspiring dangerous behavior, two or three people died hunting for the \$2m treasure chest art collector Forrest Fenn hid somewhere in the Rockies. His estate is now up for auction.

    Forrest, who lived in the desert,
    Left millions of dollars in trinkets.
    Head to Hindman’s in old Cincinnati
    And offer them worth what you think it’s.

    The Estate of Late Antiquities Dealer Forrest Fenn, Who Hid a \$2 Million Treasure Chest in the Mountains, Is Heading to Auction

    An Antiquities Dealer Buried \$2 Million in Treasure in the Rocky Mountains a Decade Ago. Now, an Intrepid Explorer Has Finally Found It

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is no link between Whitman, who suffered pharmacological experiments and took a rifle up a clock tower to shoot at random innocents with his brain fried, and the extended revenge fantasy If, which has a fantasy sequence in which the bullied protagonist exploits a British equivalent to ROTC to use military hardware to take revenge on an institution and individuals he (reasonably) hates. Whitman is truly mysterious without MONARCH and If just happens to be the exact pattern of the standard narrative. And there is no question that the media loves this stuff and shamelessly promotes it, just like they have a perennial Marcist fetish for violent criminals.
    In both If and Basketball Diaries, the violence is a daydream. If art followed the fact (fact here meaning a version of a real event widely understood and therefore recognizable for a general audience, which you don't have in either case) then why have a daydream?

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine. I guess that Columbine was so horrific that after that, the idea of including such things in light entertainment was no longer palatable. I recall someone put out a FPS school-shooting video game that was not well received.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Corvinus

    , @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well I read both articles and didn't see where the actual hiding place was—even roughly speaking. Do you know?


    finding the treasure that eluded hundreds of thousands of hunters
     
    Apparently, wherever it was, it was pretty crowded.
  45. @Guest29048
    It seems Ramos had been dreaming of doing this for a long time. When he turned 18, he finally was able to purchase the weapons he needed. So it may be that the Buffalo shooting did not precipitate the Uvalde shooting. The Buffalo shooting coincidentally occurred around the time of Ramos's 18th birthday.

    Replies: @danand

    “…seems Ramos had been dreaming of doing this…”

    Seems that may have been so:

    “As he morphed into a ‘different person’ into his later teen years, one local claimed he would ride around at night with a friend firing a BB gun at random passerby.”

  46. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    Yes — I would love to know where an 18 yr old got the money for 2 assault rifles & body armour, ammo & etc’s. Maybe I’m naive — perhaps it’s common for 18 yr olds to have that type of dough.
    It seems he also got everything pretty fast, but I guess Texas is pretty easy on weapon acquisition.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @animalogic

    He got bullied for being poor and worked flipping burgers at Wendy's and he headed into that school with, what, 3K worth of gear? But no, that's crazy talk.

    Replies: @animalogic

  47. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    It would be nice if it didn’t take school shootings to make people realize that high school is often a horrible, soul-destroying experience for kids. The age of educational romanticism can’t come quickly enough for my liking.

    Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t say I hated every minute of high school. In fact, I have some rather fond memories of it, and twenty years on I still have dream scenes of high schools days (pleasant ones, not nightmares). On the other hand, I really doubt there was a single day that I looked forward to going to school, and I experienced it as an enormous relief when high school finally finished, so the reality of it was probably a lot worse than I remember.

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).
     
    Brenda Spencer predated the Boomtown Rats:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    Charles Whitman did his thing two years before If.... [sic] came out. Ed Gein inspired Psycho. Art and media didn't make this stuff up.


    Speaking of inspiring dangerous behavior, two or three people died hunting for the $2m treasure chest art collector Forrest Fenn hid somewhere in the Rockies. His estate is now up for auction.


    Forrest, who lived in the desert,
    Left millions of dollars in trinkets.
    Head to Hindman's in old Cincinnati
    And offer them worth what you think it's.


    The Estate of Late Antiquities Dealer Forrest Fenn, Who Hid a $2 Million Treasure Chest in the Mountains, Is Heading to Auction

    An Antiquities Dealer Buried $2 Million in Treasure in the Rocky Mountains a Decade Ago. Now, an Intrepid Explorer Has Finally Found It


    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2022/05/large_301014-56_1-768x1024.jpeg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Harry Baldwin, @HammerJack

    There is no link between Whitman, who suffered pharmacological experiments and took a rifle up a clock tower to shoot at random innocents with his brain fried, and the extended revenge fantasy If, which has a fantasy sequence in which the bullied protagonist exploits a British equivalent to ROTC to use military hardware to take revenge on an institution and individuals he (reasonably) hates. Whitman is truly mysterious without MONARCH and If just happens to be the exact pattern of the standard narrative. And there is no question that the media loves this stuff and shamelessly promotes it, just like they have a perennial Marcist fetish for violent criminals.
    In both If and Basketball Diaries, the violence is a daydream. If art followed the fact (fact here meaning a version of a real event widely understood and therefore recognizable for a general audience, which you don’t have in either case) then why have a daydream?

  49. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    Since he had no state identification, how the hell could the ATF state within hours that the rifle purchases were “legal”?

    How the hell could he have “legally” purchased anything, let alone several thousand dollars worth of rifles, ammo and armor?

    Answer?

    He didn’t.

    Someone else fronted him the money for reasons unknown.

    Which might explain why a few months ago he suddenly began telling people that he was untouchable . . .

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Paul Jolliffe


    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)
     
    The latter is not in the article you quote. To the contrary, unless he had some money left from his mother who's house he'd left a few months ago he had a job, we've heard at Wendy's, because per the frandfather he had a minor argument with his grandmother over a phone bill. Well, I suppose that could be exceeding a previously agreed limit, but what phone plans aren't pretty much unlimited today? (Actually don't know, I have a very inexpensive budget one that limited and one that isn't.)

    As for ID, he could have gotten a state one not good for driving. Not sure what else is legal for an over the counter gun purchase but I wouldn't assume nothing else. Does NICS have all the states' driver licensees and personal ID cards? Lots of states don't trust them with mental health records, or they say they're following state law in not sharing them.

    Or your thesis could be partly correct about the money, it's way too early for the authorities to be certain about these sorts of things and then tell us.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

  50. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ralph L
    Do typical 18 year olds follow the news?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    I dont know about this particular 18 year old, but the orgy of coverage is consistent with every other wall to wall coverage since Covid hysteria began, with the response being that every element of society seems to be required to publicly commit.

  51. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing.

    The latter is just the non-slave state norm of America, which Texas is a common exemplar of. Plenty of “kids” buy guns as soon as they’re able to and very very few do anything bad with them; plenty including myself have full access to a wide array of them long before we turn 18 and again don’t do anything bad with them. The knowledge is trivially available on the Internet, and the gun store will of course walk you through filling out the infamous ATF Form 4473 correctly.

    The cash can be explained … and here I suppose the situation or the guy is getting weird, by not having serious expenses while working a job. Perhaps working long hours after he dropped out of school. The weird thing is that most people aren’t very frugal especially when young; we might hypothesize that whatever the trigger, he was planning on doing evil with them sooner or later and thus was saving up for the purchases.

    • Agree: Alden
  52. @Stan Adams
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat? I mean, there are some seriously obese kids out there, many of whom must be filled to the brim with hate and bitterness and resentment. (I should know; I was one of them.) And yet we’ve never seen a fatty shoot up a school.

    Come to think of it, fat people are underrepresented in the ranks of adult spree shooters, as well. You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people. But presumably stuffing one’s face has a moderating effect on one’s anger level.

    Do fat people commit suicide at the same rate as thin people? One might argue that being fat *is* a slow-motion form of suicide. But is there something to the idea that a fat person reaches for a Big Mac instead of a razor, that s/he/it stuffs M&Ms into his mouth instead of sleeping pills?

    In the interest of mental health, the federal government should subsidize free 20-ounce bottles of Coca-Cola Classic (none of that sugarless crap - only high-fructose corn syrup will do) and Snickers ice-cream bars for all high-school kids. Biden should make speeches mocking the popular crowd.

    (Oh, wait - he was a football player, wasn’t he? Never mind.)

    We should also do more to prepare kids coming into high school for the social realities they are about to face. Give them handy guides, such as this one:



    If you want to be popular, you will have more success if you look like this:
    https://i.ibb.co/YZ0XkqW/FA73-DF87-A718-4-B8-C-BC7-C-EDE883-E3-E31-A.jpg

    …than this:
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/maxres11.jpg

    Also, it helps to have rich parents.

    Good luck!

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Reg Cæsar

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat?

    How many young men are obese at that age vs. young women? Haven’t tried to figure this out, but my impression is that it’s much more a problem for women, with men catching up later, but not entirely. There ought to be age stratified BMI data out there if anyone wants to follow up on your interesting hypothesis.

  53. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Daniel H


    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn’t have spent so much time with their tormentors.
     
    I don't know about apprenticeships as a solution, but the modern American public high school where perhaps thousands of hormone-addled adolescents between 14-18 are warehoused together with a few adults all day is a bizarre institution in human history and one that's probably extremely stressful for most teens. It's when they're changing the most physically, emotionally, and psychologically, and brutal status hierarchies are established. With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar's number, only a small percentage are going to wind up at the pinnacle of the hierarchy, and everybody else will be relegated to lower status. Depression and anxiety are probably a normal reaction to such an abnormal situation. Some small percentage of kids, mostly with preexisting problems and less than optimal home lives, are going to crack up and become aggressively antisocial.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Stan Adams, @anon

    >With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar’s number,

    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you’re on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.

    It’s a softened version of what animal litter mates do to the runt (the weaker they become, the more they get relentlessly bullied until starvation). It’s in their individual Darwinian interest to keep that person beneath them– everybody knows he is the designated whipping boy and it shall stay that way (lest it become me).

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @anon


    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you’re on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.
     
    I suppose there will always be hierarchies, and with hierarchies someone will always be on the bottom, but the Dunbar reference was to demonstrate that the daily lives of average American kids involves a kind of enforced anonymity due to scale that is unique in history - all at a particularly difficult point in human development - and likely a cause of stress and anxiety leading to aggressively antisocial behavior in some.

    I just don't know that it's normal for teens to be in enormous semi-anonymous groups with only limited contact with a few adults all day who are often not part of their families or the wider community. This seems like a recipe for, among other things, making people who are already a bit weird into full bore weirdos.
    , @nebulafox
    @anon

    It's always that insecure marginals in the middle class in a status hierarchy that are meticulous in meting out the indignities, not those on top.

  54. @Stan Adams
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat? I mean, there are some seriously obese kids out there, many of whom must be filled to the brim with hate and bitterness and resentment. (I should know; I was one of them.) And yet we’ve never seen a fatty shoot up a school.

    Come to think of it, fat people are underrepresented in the ranks of adult spree shooters, as well. You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people. But presumably stuffing one’s face has a moderating effect on one’s anger level.

    Do fat people commit suicide at the same rate as thin people? One might argue that being fat *is* a slow-motion form of suicide. But is there something to the idea that a fat person reaches for a Big Mac instead of a razor, that s/he/it stuffs M&Ms into his mouth instead of sleeping pills?

    In the interest of mental health, the federal government should subsidize free 20-ounce bottles of Coca-Cola Classic (none of that sugarless crap - only high-fructose corn syrup will do) and Snickers ice-cream bars for all high-school kids. Biden should make speeches mocking the popular crowd.

    (Oh, wait - he was a football player, wasn’t he? Never mind.)

    We should also do more to prepare kids coming into high school for the social realities they are about to face. Give them handy guides, such as this one:



    If you want to be popular, you will have more success if you look like this:
    https://i.ibb.co/YZ0XkqW/FA73-DF87-A718-4-B8-C-BC7-C-EDE883-E3-E31-A.jpg

    …than this:
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/maxres11.jpg

    Also, it helps to have rich parents.

    Good luck!

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Reg Cæsar

    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat?

    They weed themselves out in the planning stage. Less agile, bigger target, etc. (Peter Chiodo might have been the biggest target ever.)

    There is always a planning stage.

    You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people.

    The sullen ones already know why people hate them, or are imagined to. The killers often have no clue.

    Many fat kids are popular– like homos, they deal with their situation by sharpening their skill at humor. Stand-ups and comic actors are often overweight– Candy, Farley, Anderson, Roseanne. Thick is the shtick.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, I was kind of the "funny fat guy" and the "smart fat guy" rolled into one jolly oversized package.

    Despite having a higher-than-optimal BMI, I was named Homeroom Representative of the Year. It was my crowning moment of glory.

    Here you can see my edgy style on full display. Note that I am right-handed, but I am rebelling against convention by wearing my watch on the wrong wrist:



    https://i.ibb.co/4SyH76G/200306.jpg

  55. It’s been long known since at least the mid eighties that child/teen suicides went in waves.

    When newspapers provided less fawning and sentimental coverage those decreased and no longer followed in physical waves.

    This was taught back in the academy in the eighties.

  56. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @ScarletNumber

    What about the Tidewater / Hampton Roads metro area (Norfolk/Virginia Beach)? Not sure if it’s true now, but at one point that metro area was larger than the Charlotte or Nashville metro areas .

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Tidewater is 46th, while Greenville is 35th. They are smaller than Charlotte and Nashville, but larger than New Orleans, Memphis, and Buffalo, to pick three major league cities.

  57. @Paul Rise
    The Buffalo shooter (like the New Zealand mosque shooter) livestreamed his rampage and it was recorded. Countless versions exist online, including one apparently edited to be played on an VR rig like Oculus. Wonder if the Uvalde kid had been watching that the last week or so?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I don’t know why this surprises me, but it’s incredibly sick.

    When people talk about censorship, and I immediately react against it, I should probably keep stuff like this in mind.

  58. @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).
     
    Brenda Spencer predated the Boomtown Rats:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    Charles Whitman did his thing two years before If.... [sic] came out. Ed Gein inspired Psycho. Art and media didn't make this stuff up.


    Speaking of inspiring dangerous behavior, two or three people died hunting for the $2m treasure chest art collector Forrest Fenn hid somewhere in the Rockies. His estate is now up for auction.


    Forrest, who lived in the desert,
    Left millions of dollars in trinkets.
    Head to Hindman's in old Cincinnati
    And offer them worth what you think it's.


    The Estate of Late Antiquities Dealer Forrest Fenn, Who Hid a $2 Million Treasure Chest in the Mountains, Is Heading to Auction

    An Antiquities Dealer Buried $2 Million in Treasure in the Rocky Mountains a Decade Ago. Now, an Intrepid Explorer Has Finally Found It


    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2022/05/large_301014-56_1-768x1024.jpeg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Harry Baldwin, @HammerJack

    You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine. I guess that Columbine was so horrific that after that, the idea of including such things in light entertainment was no longer palatable. I recall someone put out a FPS school-shooting video game that was not well received.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Harry Baldwin

    Lionel Shriver's gripping 2003 school-massacre novel We Need to Talk About Kevin became a 2011 movie -- thanks to BBC Films rather than a US company. Tilda Swinton played the mom and it was shot on location in Stamford CT

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Corvinus
    @Harry Baldwin

    “You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine”

    https://www.ranker.com/list/scary-school-shootings/natalie-hazen

    Yep, mostly by white people. But at least we know that Sandy Hook was a false flag. InfoWars said so.

  59. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    HS needs to go back to being small and voluntary. Let kids out to work anytime after age 14. If they need more education, they’ll figure it out at an older age and attend a JC.

    There’s something to be said for a sharp teen who would rather play video games being forced to read and study. But for most, it’s just a waste of time to put them in school all day.

    I know plenty of these sharp kids, and they only enjoy school for the sake of the band, or the team, or the socializing. They’ll all go on to college and continue the charade before they settle into something that they could have started at 17 or 18. A few will benefit from all this education and become stars in their field, but most will just spend the parents’ money in a long, tedious process.

  60. So I guess we should be thankful the media utterly dropped the Waukesha parade slaughter — no copycats!

  61. @Harry Baldwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine. I guess that Columbine was so horrific that after that, the idea of including such things in light entertainment was no longer palatable. I recall someone put out a FPS school-shooting video game that was not well received.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Corvinus

    Lionel Shriver’s gripping 2003 school-massacre novel We Need to Talk About Kevin became a 2011 movie — thanks to BBC Films rather than a US company. Tilda Swinton played the mom and it was shot on location in Stamford CT

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Known Fact

    Several years after Columbine, Gus Van Sant directed an awful school-shooting movie called Elephant. The film is little more than a series of ridiculously long tracking shots featuring random people walking through hallways to the sound of classical music. It might as well be called Strolling Toward Doom.

    The "action" in this clip starts around 1:25:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps76NRMPguU

    Some years ago I wrote a rather vicious black-comedy screenplay about two kids planning a Columbine-type massacre. Not being a professional screenwriter, I didn't know what the hell I was doing.



    INT. CAFETERIA - DAY (LUNCH PERIOD)

    Paul and Kyle are sitting at the losers' table, plotting new and interesting ways to murder their ostensible peers. Their lunch trays are full of food, but neither boy is eating. PAUL is scribbling in a notebook; KYLE is staring blankly into space.

    PAUL (in a serious tone)
    Okay, so it's resolved: we'll kill the cheerleaders *before* we rape them. [Beat.] Now, let's move on to the explosives. I still think we should go with the fertilizer bomb.

    KYLE (almost bored)
    Paul, we have been through this already. This is a two-story high school, not a nine-story federal building. A fertilizer bomb is sheer overkill.

    PAUL
    You do want to kill people, don't you?

    KYLE
    Yes, but I want to kill them with my AR-15. A couple of propane bombs detonated in the cafeteria will kill several dozen people immediately, but still leave enough survivors for us to mow down with our guns.

    PAUL
    Yes, but...

    BRAD HOFFMAN, the swaggering captain of the football team, and his teammate TOM HARTFORD stroll over to the losers' table.

    BRAD
    Hey, look, it's the ambiguously gay duo.

    TOM
    See those bags under their eyes? They were up all night, pounding each other.

    BRAD
    I'll bet they're both so sore they can barely walk.

    TOM
    Which one is the man?

    BRAD
    Neither, as far as I can tell.

    TOM
    Maybe they just take turns with one of those long, black flashlights.

    PAUL
    Like the one your sister uses?

    TOM
    Shut up, fag.

    PAUL
    Look, Tom, we appreciate the sparkling lunchtime conversation, but we're kind of busy at the moment, so...

    BRAD snatches PAUL's notebook out of his hands.

    BRAD
    What's this? Gay love poetry?

    PAUL
    Brad! Give that back!

    BRAD
    Come on, let's see what the fags are writing about. [Beat.] Huh. It's just a bunch of random letters. KL CHR FST TN RP TM. What the fuck?

    PAUL
    It's homework. I'm working on a ... special project. Can I please have it back?

    BRAD
    FRLTZ BM VS PROP BM. BM ... that means shit, right?

    KYLE
    Brad is a synonym for shit.

    BRAD tosses the notebook on the floor.

    BRAD
    The pages are all sticky. God, I hope I don't get AIDS from touching that shit.

    PAUL bends down to retrieve the notebook.

    BRAD
    You're assuming the standard buttf**king position, I see.

    PAUL grabs the notebook and sits back up.

    KYLE
    Hey, we're not the ones who go around slapping each other's asses every time we get a first down. And what's up with those tight pants they make you wear?

    TOM
    They're compression pants. If we didn't wear them, our big fat [YKW] would be flopping around all over the place.

    KYLE
    Yeah, you wish.

    BRAD
    No, you wish. If I ever get drunk enough, I might hit you up for a [YKW]. I'll bet you give good [YKW].

    KYLE
    Your mother gives it pretty good herself. Although I hear your father's even better.

    BRAD
    My father could buy this f**king school if he wanted to. He makes more money in a year than you losers will in a lifetime. [Beat.] I've got to get out of here before I barf. Peace out, homos. And remember: Help control the pussy population. Have the fags spayed or neutered.

    TOM
    You boys have fun now, you hear? But make sure you use protection. It would be a terrible shame if you ended up with gonorrhea, or something.

    BRAD and TOM walk away. PAUL stares blankly at his notebook.

    KYLE (quietly)
    Do you realize what would happen to us if the wrong person saw that notebook? I mean, you're using abbreviations, but it's as not if you're writing in code.

    PAUL
    You're right. I really need to encrypt this. Any suggestions?

    KYLE
    How's your Navajo?

    KYLE
    A bit rusty, I'm afraid.

    The bell rings. Students begin dumping their trays and filing out of the cafeteria. PAUL and KYLE get up and dump their uneaten lunches into the trash.

    PAUL
    What was the special today? I didn't even look at it.

    KYLE
    I have no idea.

    PAUL and KYLE pause near the entrance to the hallway.

    PAUL
    Kyle?

    KYLE
    Yes?

    PAUL
    When it happens ... will you let me do Brad? You can do Tom.

    KYLE
    I was thinking that we could share on both of them. One shot to the left knee ... one shot to the right knee ... one shot to the balls ... one shot up the ass ... and then, finally, one merciful shot right between the eyes. Although part of me would just love to blow their faces off and leave them to live the rest of their miserable lives as crippled mutilated faceless freaks.

    PAUL
    A fate worse than death, huh? Yeah, I like the sound of that.

    The two boys leave the area, heading for their fourth-period classes.

  62. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan Adams


    Have you ever noticed that school shooters are rarely fat?
     
    They weed themselves out in the planning stage. Less agile, bigger target, etc. (Peter Chiodo might have been the biggest target ever.)

    There is always a planning stage.


    You’d think that going through life being treated with open disdain would tend to create deep, burning rage in people.
     
    The sullen ones already know why people hate them, or are imagined to. The killers often have no clue.

    Many fat kids are popular-- like homos, they deal with their situation by sharpening their skill at humor. Stand-ups and comic actors are often overweight-- Candy, Farley, Anderson, Roseanne. Thick is the shtick.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Yeah, I was kind of the “funny fat guy” and the “smart fat guy” rolled into one jolly oversized package.

    Despite having a higher-than-optimal BMI, I was named Homeroom Representative of the Year. It was my crowning moment of glory.

    Here you can see my edgy style on full display. Note that I am right-handed, but I am rebelling against convention by wearing my watch on the wrong wrist:

    [MORE]

  63. @puttheforkdown
    @epebble

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses? Kid probably just sold prescription drugs or something. Or, of course, some three letter agency sponsored him.

    Replies: @epebble, @al gore rhythms

    What world do you live in where \$5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses?

    He turned 18 on May 18. Lived with grandparents. School dropout. No mention of any job.

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a \$1,000 emergency expense
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    • Replies: @epebble
    @epebble

    I take back my comment, there has been some update.


    Texas school killer Salvador Ramos got job at Wendy's to save up $4,000 for rifles he used to massacre 19 young children, and shared his lust for guns with worried co-workers

    Salvador Ramos, 18, worked at Wendy's to save money to purchase the assault weapons he used to shoot up a Texas elementary school on Tuesday

    One of his former colleagues alleged he would brag about his plans to buy guns while at work, describing him as 'demented' and having 'mental problems'

    She claims he 'suddenly quit' two weeks ago after 'he got enough money' to buy two guns, ammunition and a tactical-style vest
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855013/Texas-elementary-school-killer-Salvador-Ramos-got-job-Wendys-save-4-000-guns.html

    Pretty long-range planning and meticulous thinking for a not-yet 18 year old.
    , @Alden
    @epebble

    Ramos worked at a fast food Wendy’s for years. Minimum wage 20 to 40 hours a week plus occasional overtime. Plenty of time for someone living at grandma’s home to save up for the guns.

    , @Nervous in Stalingrad
    @epebble


    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a \$1,000 emergency expense

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html
     
    That is an interesting (and disturbing) statistic.

    I'm not sure why the $1,000 figure was chosen, (a nice round number, perhaps?) but it sounds a bit on the low side to me for a typical emergency. I was under the impression that e.g. the average cost of replacing a bad transmission is somewhere around $3,000 and this is a common problem with older cars.
  64. @animalogic
    @epebble

    Yes -- I would love to know where an 18 yr old got the money for 2 assault rifles & body armour, ammo & etc's. Maybe I'm naive -- perhaps it's common for 18 yr olds to have that type of dough.
    It seems he also got everything pretty fast, but I guess Texas is pretty easy on weapon acquisition.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    He got bullied for being poor and worked flipping burgers at Wendy’s and he headed into that school with, what, 3K worth of gear? But no, that’s crazy talk.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @JimDandy

    "Poor", "flipping burgers", but "3K worth of gear".
    Something's not quite right with this equation....(& no JimDandy, I don't think it's "crazy talk")

    Replies: @Alden

  65. You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine. I guess that Columbine was so horrific that after that, the idea of including such things in light entertainment was no longer palatable. I recall someone put out a FPS school-shooting video game that was not well received.

    Columbine started the genre though. For one, it was the first big shooting involving disaffected teen boys who indulged in an antisocial subculture within the school. More importantly, I think, it was the first mass shooting that was televised while in progress in real time. In 1999, viewers got to see the commotion and the drama that Harris and Klebold caused, and the attention they received in the aftermath. If you were a kid on the East Coast, you may have been home from school in time to see the coverage of the massacre in progress – I remember the armored cars pulling up to the school in an effort to evacuate students under fire.

  66. @Reg Cæsar
    Meanwhile, a threatened Angels move to Long Beach (is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?) has cost the jobs of an Indian (dot, or rather turban) mayor and a Persian party official, one of each party.


    Long Beach courts MLB's Angels after Anaheim deal collapses amid scandal

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Charles Pewitt

    Meanwhile, a threatened Angels move to Long Beach (is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?) has cost the jobs of an Indian (dot, or rather turban) mayor and a Persian party official, one of each party.

    I say:

    “We Still Seek No Wider War.” — Lyndon B. Johnson

    “We Still Sikh A Bit More Grift.” — Sikh B. Grifty

  67. @puttheforkdown
    @epebble

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses? Kid probably just sold prescription drugs or something. Or, of course, some three letter agency sponsored him.

    Replies: @epebble, @al gore rhythms

    He worked at a Wendy’s until a few weeks ago.

  68. @anon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    >With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar’s number,

    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you're on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.

    It's a softened version of what animal litter mates do to the runt (the weaker they become, the more they get relentlessly bullied until starvation). It's in their individual Darwinian interest to keep that person beneath them-- everybody knows he is the designated whipping boy and it shall stay that way (lest it become me).

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @nebulafox

    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you’re on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.

    I suppose there will always be hierarchies, and with hierarchies someone will always be on the bottom, but the Dunbar reference was to demonstrate that the daily lives of average American kids involves a kind of enforced anonymity due to scale that is unique in history – all at a particularly difficult point in human development – and likely a cause of stress and anxiety leading to aggressively antisocial behavior in some.

    I just don’t know that it’s normal for teens to be in enormous semi-anonymous groups with only limited contact with a few adults all day who are often not part of their families or the wider community. This seems like a recipe for, among other things, making people who are already a bit weird into full bore weirdos.

  69. @epebble
    @puttheforkdown

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses?

    He turned 18 on May 18. Lived with grandparents. School dropout. No mention of any job.

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a $1,000 emergency expense
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    I take back my comment, there has been some update.

    Texas school killer Salvador Ramos got job at Wendy’s to save up \$4,000 for rifles he used to massacre 19 young children, and shared his lust for guns with worried co-workers

    Salvador Ramos, 18, worked at Wendy’s to save money to purchase the assault weapons he used to shoot up a Texas elementary school on Tuesday

    One of his former colleagues alleged he would brag about his plans to buy guns while at work, describing him as ‘demented’ and having ‘mental problems’

    She claims he ‘suddenly quit’ two weeks ago after ‘he got enough money’ to buy two guns, ammunition and a tactical-style vest

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855013/Texas-elementary-school-killer-Salvador-Ramos-got-job-Wendys-save-4-000-guns.html

    Pretty long-range planning and meticulous thinking for a not-yet 18 year old.

  70. A young person, in a generation (at least the second) totally fixated on fame, doing something that will achieve him instant, nation-wide fame?

    Let’s just say that it is 100% probable.

    Just like telling the entire black population that they are victims of white supremacy, so they attack whites even more often.

    Even a child can work thru this logic…

  71. The precipitating incident that sent Ramos to wreak vengeance on 7 year old children was the fact that his grandmother learned he was not going to graduate from high school with his class. And a very heated discussion ensued. As is normal.

    I quoted a local TV reporter who claimed he spoke with the grandfather. It seems the man is neither grandfather or married to grandma but grandma’s boyfriend or a roommate.

    One thing to remember People like Ramos don’t watch TV news. Or have ever read a newspaper in their lives. Most 18 year olds don’t watch regular TV at all. As those who have teen children and grandchildren know.

  72. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar


    is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?
     
    In terms of sports, Long Beach is considered to be the same "city" as Los Angeles and Anaheim, considering it is in Los Angeles County. But, to answer your question literally, Austin, Texas, is 11th in population but has no major league sports teams, toping out at AAA with the Round Rock Express. Fort Worth, El Paso, Louisville, Albuquerque, Tucson, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, and Colorado Springs are all larger than Long Beach.

    The largest DMA with no major league teams is Hartford, Connecticut, which used to have the Whalers of the WHA and NHL. The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AnotherDad, @Steve Sailer

    The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    This just seems like some dubious counting (TV sets?) in this “media market” DMA deal.

    The Austin-Round Rock MSA alone is solidly bigger than either the Tidewater or Greenville CSAs–which rope in everything. (And the Tidewater is the bigger of those two.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    One deal with a few of these medium sized big cities is that the BSU’s (big state university) sports program serves the same function of providing the “circuses” part of “bread and circuses”. Growing up in Ohio, we all thought the Buckeyes pretty much were Columbus’s professional sports teams. Longhorns in Austin. Raleigh-Durham has two choices–successful when it comes to basketball.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @AnotherDad

    When comparing Austin to Greenville, Nielsen considers Asheville, North Carolina, to be part of the latter while the USCB does not. Therefore, that narrows the gap to 600,000 (2.35MM vs. 1.75MM).

    Nielsen uses TV Homes as its metric, with Greenville having a lead of 27,600 (940K vs. 912.4K). The question is: why are so few Austin residents considered to be TV homes? Maybe because many Austin residents are college students who live in dorms or in communal situations.

    You are correct that Austin considers the Texas Longhorns to be its professional team, and they don't need an actual major league team. This raises the question: what's the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It's West Palm Beach, Florida, although that seems to be cheating since I'm sure if you asked them, they would consider themselves to be Miami fans, Hurricanes, Dolphins, Heat &c. The USCB considers them to the same metro as well. Grand Rapids would then be the winner, but I'm sure they all root for the Detroit pro teams and either Michigan or Michigan State in college.

    As for the most efficient major league sport, it has to be baseball, which makes sense because they have to support 81 games a year and has the largest local revenue percentage, unlike the socialist NFL. Out of 25 US TV markets, the smallest with an MLB team is Milwaukee at 37. The 12 that are skipped are all have a AAA team (Sacramento, Charlotte, Durham, Indianapolis, Nashville, Salt Lake City, Columbus) or a AA team (San Antonio, Hartford).

    The only exceptions are Orlando, Portland, and Greenville. Perhaps they feel they close enough to Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Atlanta, respectively, so that they would cannibalize them if they got teams.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    Los Angeles had no NFL team for 20 years from 1995 on, so USC boosters stepped up and made USC the #1 college football program (until Texas beat them in a memorable Rose Bowl game). But then USC got caught and sanctioned. So now the NFL is back with two teams.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  73. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    Ramos had worked at Wendy’s for years. No rent and utilities to pay no food to buy got free meals at work. Probably bought clothes and video games or why kids work. . May have worked more than 20 hours a week as he stopped going to school. Saved his money for the big day. Or maybe did a little weed selling, stealing, kids do that you know..

  74. @ArthurinCali
    What does not get acknowledged enough is the vast number of mentally unbalanced individuals in our society who have the potential to be set off by excessive news coverage, especially of mass shooters.

    Story after story put out on the Buffalo shooter certainly demonstrated on some level to the Uvalde shooter that his pathetic existence would have ample attention in the media.

    This in turn allows the Left to shed crocodile tears and try to forward their gun control agenda. Strange how the violence in say Chicago, or multiple mass shootings that involve minorities are absent from this effort.

    Replies: @Alden

    You’re assuming Ramos watched TV news and or read newspapers. He’s a whole nother generation actually 2 generations away from the old folks who watch TV and read newspapers.

  75. One of the factors in the Uvalde mass killing reminds me of a theory that popped up after the Parkland shooting…but quickly disappeared into the media’s black hole machine: The shooter’s past involvement with police and school officials was scrubbed as part of a larger effort to keep minority crime numbers deflated. (This was a policy instigated by the Obama administration, as I recall.) This allowed a troubled and violent young man to buy firearms legally.

    An article from the Independent says this about the Uvalde shooter:

    Texas leaders said on Wednesday that Ramos didn’t have a known criminal or mental health record, and that “there was no meaningful forwarning of his crime” outside of the messages just before the attack….

    But also, this:

    “He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b**** and say she wanted to kick him out,” Ms Reyes said. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”

    Mr Flores said the issues grew more clear over the years, as police would show up at Ramos’s home and neighbours saw fights between the mother and son.

    Something else that’s reminiscent of Parkland from the article:

    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/salvador-ramos-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-b2087035.html

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @J1234



    Something else that’s reminiscent of Parkland from the article:
     
    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.

     

    The Official story and timeline from the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) now is that he shot at a funeral home for twelve minutes before climbing a fence and entering the completely unguarded school. They've retracted the claim of him engaging a school resource officer.

    Based on a 911 call a couple of minutes after this started the first police would have arrived as I recall a couple of minutes after he entered the school. An hour later the Border Patrol team went in; there were lots of cops, some with long arms, who were doing nothing but maybe rescuing their own children and keeping the parents from charging in themselves since the police weren't.

    Replies: @J1234, @Alden

    , @Alden
    @J1234

    Has anyone checked if the guard at a school whose oldest students were 3rd graders even have a gun taser or even pepper spray.? I don't know the local rules about school guards.

  76. @epebble
    @puttheforkdown

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses?

    He turned 18 on May 18. Lived with grandparents. School dropout. No mention of any job.

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a $1,000 emergency expense
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    Ramos worked at a fast food Wendy’s for years. Minimum wage 20 to 40 hours a week plus occasional overtime. Plenty of time for someone living at grandma’s home to save up for the guns.

  77. @AnotherDad
    @ScarletNumber


    The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.
     
    This just seems like some dubious counting (TV sets?) in this "media market" DMA deal.

    The Austin-Round Rock MSA alone is solidly bigger than either the Tidewater or Greenville CSAs--which rope in everything. (And the Tidewater is the bigger of those two.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    One deal with a few of these medium sized big cities is that the BSU's (big state university) sports program serves the same function of providing the "circuses" part of "bread and circuses". Growing up in Ohio, we all thought the Buckeyes pretty much were Columbus's professional sports teams. Longhorns in Austin. Raleigh-Durham has two choices--successful when it comes to basketball.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Steve Sailer

    When comparing Austin to Greenville, Nielsen considers Asheville, North Carolina, to be part of the latter while the USCB does not. Therefore, that narrows the gap to 600,000 (2.35MM vs. 1.75MM).

    Nielsen uses TV Homes as its metric, with Greenville having a lead of 27,600 (940K vs. 912.4K). The question is: why are so few Austin residents considered to be TV homes? Maybe because many Austin residents are college students who live in dorms or in communal situations.

    You are correct that Austin considers the Texas Longhorns to be its professional team, and they don’t need an actual major league team. This raises the question: what’s the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It’s West Palm Beach, Florida, although that seems to be cheating since I’m sure if you asked them, they would consider themselves to be Miami fans, Hurricanes, Dolphins, Heat &c. The USCB considers them to the same metro as well. Grand Rapids would then be the winner, but I’m sure they all root for the Detroit pro teams and either Michigan or Michigan State in college.

    As for the most efficient major league sport, it has to be baseball, which makes sense because they have to support 81 games a year and has the largest local revenue percentage, unlike the socialist NFL. Out of 25 US TV markets, the smallest with an MLB team is Milwaukee at 37. The 12 that are skipped are all have a AAA team (Sacramento, Charlotte, Durham, Indianapolis, Nashville, Salt Lake City, Columbus) or a AA team (San Antonio, Hartford).

    The only exceptions are Orlando, Portland, and Greenville. Perhaps they feel they close enough to Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Atlanta, respectively, so that they would cannibalize them if they got teams.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    This raises the question: what’s the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It’s West Palm Beach, Florida...
     
    Serves them right. Florida is ringed by "Beach" towns named after the city on the mainland. WPB degrades itself by doing the opposite. Palm Beach isn't going to be West Palm Beach Beach anytime soon, so if they were smart, they'd reduce "West Palm Beach" to "Palm".

    Blame Henry Flagler.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  78. @Anonymous
    OK, here's a comment: "We are being gaslighted." What we are told we see in the public schools is nothing like the reality, and has been that way since about 1970.

    19 high school kids, 2 adults (one the shooter's teacher who'd been partly responsible for the shooter kid not graduating). All dead. Plus the shooter, of course.

    How many kids have the school system castrated over the past year? How many kids have been driven so far insane that they want to be castrated, chemically or physically? Is that more or less insane than becoming a mass shooter?

    Could it be that the public schools have been changed into a hellish environment that drives kids insane (and then either says the kids are not insane (castration) or that they were driven insane by the bulk of the American population)? And sic the FBI on anybody who questions the school's saintly nature?

    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?

    Why in the world is

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    The kids were second graders. The teachers. We’re second grade teachers. Not high school teachers who stopped Ramos’ graduating from high school.

    It’s not teachers who prevent kids from graduating high school. It’s the counselors and deans. Who constantly check kids in the senior class records to see if they have the necessary credits and required courses to graduate. If the kids don’t have everything required, they are forced to attend special Saturday and evening classes and or summer school to graduate.

    That’s a main job of the high school counselors. Graduation

  79. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    OK, here's a comment: "We are being gaslighted." What we are told we see in the public schools is nothing like the reality, and has been that way since about 1970.

    19 high school kids, 2 adults (one the shooter's teacher who'd been partly responsible for the shooter kid not graduating). All dead. Plus the shooter, of course.

    How many kids have the school system castrated over the past year? How many kids have been driven so far insane that they want to be castrated, chemically or physically? Is that more or less insane than becoming a mass shooter?

    Could it be that the public schools have been changed into a hellish environment that drives kids insane (and then either says the kids are not insane (castration) or that they were driven insane by the bulk of the American population)? And sic the FBI on anybody who questions the school's saintly nature?

    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?

    Why in the world is

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?

    I have often asked myself the same question about the TSA. Why do freedom-loving Americans continue to put up with a group of people that treats everyone like criminals when Bin Laden has been dead and in his grave for more than a decade?

    My guess is that both the public schools and the TSA are first and foremost jobs programs. They are there to provide jobs for large numbers of people who are neither particularly bright nor talented. The semi-dim people become teachers and the absolutely hopeless ones go to work for the TSA.

    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates, or a TSA worker punished for failing a security audit (something the TSA fails more than 2/3 of the time)? If anyone in the private sector was this inept and inefficient, they would have gotten the chop long ago (Wall Street excepted, of course).

    I do not think it is matter of these organisations doing any good. It is that, after a time, people cannot imagine life without them, regardless of how ineffective (or outright counterproductive) they actually are.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Anonymous


    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates
     
    Yet another example of why anonymous commenting shouldn't be allowed here. It's risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  80. @Mike Tre
    I remember when vile land orca Oprah Winfrey would hype unknown thrill seeking activities like lying on the center line of a busy street or "auto-erotic" asphyxiation. Occurrences of both activities exploded only after Winfrey ran segments sensationalizing the topics. She was supposedly told beforehand that running segments on those things would increase their occurrence. She deceided to run the segments anyway.

    Replies: @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Paleo Liberal

    I remember when vile land orca Oprah Winfrey would hype unknown thrill seeking activities like lying on the center line of a busy street

    Please tell me this bizarre pastime been designated “Oprahing.”

    (Admittedly, that is unlikely, but is there a name for this activity?)

  81. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    Being part owner and on the board of a medium sized construction company electrical hiring nothing but IBEW apprentices and inside wiremen I can tell you there are only a few Union apprentice programs left. Union supermarket workers electricians welders high iron workers. and plumbers seem to be the only viable unions and apprenticeship programs left.

    And except for the supermarket workers they require high school diplomas and the academic math not remedial arithmetic and passing a basic engineering type test You know, raven matrix etc. Plus the ability to read and understand building codes.

    The unions and their apprenticeship programs were destroyed by Nixon’s Philadelphia Plan and just 2 Satanic Supreme Court decisions Griggs vs Duke Power 1973 and Kaiser vs Weber 1979.

    Probably the only reason the judges didn’t go after IBEW is they didn’t want Home Depot parking lot illegals to do the wiring in their court houses.

    What with millions of illegals arriving every year just what we need is millions of 13-16 year olds our begging for work from the capitalist pigs. The more workers the lower the wages for everybody.

    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16. So your utopian solution is useless and just plain silly. And the kid did have a job He worked at a Wendy’s.

    Fast food wouldn’t be my choice if a career. But there are plenty of opportunities in fast food management for high school drop outs. And high school grads. There are many positions between minimum wage clerks and cooks and franchise owners.

    The kid did have a job. In restaurant business. One of the biggest industries in America today. Hires lots of high school kids and drop outs who progress to lower management He dropped out of high school Possibly worked full time. Minimum wage probably what your imaginary 13 14 year old apprentices would make.

    And it didn’t stop him from killing 21 people 19 of them 7 and 8 year olds did it.

    I really need to stop reading these idiotic comments

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Alden


    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16.

     

    The UK/commonwealth system in which students do a broad set of basic exams at age 16 or so (i.e. O levels), and then the students who want to go to university go on for three years of specialized A levels, makes much more sense. This gives students a reasonable exit point two years earlier than the American system, with the possibility of at least having a basic qualification in hand. If you quit at 16 in the USA you're a dropout.

    Replies: @Alden

  82. @Harry Baldwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine. I guess that Columbine was so horrific that after that, the idea of including such things in light entertainment was no longer palatable. I recall someone put out a FPS school-shooting video game that was not well received.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Corvinus

    “You are right, there were mass shootings, even school shootings before Columbine”

    https://www.ranker.com/list/scary-school-shootings/natalie-hazen

    Yep, mostly by white people. But at least we know that Sandy Hook was a false flag. InfoWars said so.

  83. @epebble
    I think I am more curious to know how a kid in a small town in borderland Texas got a few thousand dollars cash and the knowhow to buy assault rifles, ammunition and all the battle paraphernalia without anyone noticing. That and his apparent lack of parents and desire to kill grandma and grandpa not noticing anything all point to failed family and social structures. That may be more important than media coverage.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Hapalong Cassidy, @animalogic, @Paul Jolliffe, @That Would Be Telling, @Alden, @Paul Jolliffe

    Since Ramos did not have a driver’s license, (!!!) might someone in the MSM ask the ATF how they “knew” by late Tuesday afternoon that his rifle purchases on May 17 and May 20 were legal?

    How the hell does an 18 year old with no job and no driver’s license – no state-issued picture ID! – buy anything legally, let alone thousands of dollars worth of firearms, ammo and body armor?

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Going by the ABC story, looks like the kid bought the rifles the same way kids buy beer or cigarettes. Probably got a good fake ID and the store didn't look too carefully. But, since the Right to bear arms is fundamental, can the States be too insistent on the ID? After all, that is the argument against demanding ID for voting. In theory, he should be able to show his Birth certificate and demand to have his Constitutional Right.

  84. @epebble
    @puttheforkdown

    What world do you live in where $5000 is an insane amount of money if you live at home and have no real expenses?

    He turned 18 on May 18. Lived with grandparents. School dropout. No mention of any job.

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a $1,000 emergency expense
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @Nervous in Stalingrad

    Just 39% of Americans could pay for a \$1,000 emergency expense

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/just-39percent-of-americans-could-pay-for-a-1000-emergency-expense.html

    That is an interesting (and disturbing) statistic.

    I’m not sure why the $1,000 figure was chosen, (a nice round number, perhaps?) but it sounds a bit on the low side to me for a typical emergency. I was under the impression that e.g. the average cost of replacing a bad transmission is somewhere around $3,000 and this is a common problem with older cars.

  85. @Mike Tre
    I remember when vile land orca Oprah Winfrey would hype unknown thrill seeking activities like lying on the center line of a busy street or "auto-erotic" asphyxiation. Occurrences of both activities exploded only after Winfrey ran segments sensationalizing the topics. She was supposedly told beforehand that running segments on those things would increase their occurrence. She deceided to run the segments anyway.

    Replies: @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Paleo Liberal

    Werther effect

  86. @Known Fact
    @Harry Baldwin

    Lionel Shriver's gripping 2003 school-massacre novel We Need to Talk About Kevin became a 2011 movie -- thanks to BBC Films rather than a US company. Tilda Swinton played the mom and it was shot on location in Stamford CT

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Several years after Columbine, Gus Van Sant directed an awful school-shooting movie called Elephant. The film is little more than a series of ridiculously long tracking shots featuring random people walking through hallways to the sound of classical music. It might as well be called Strolling Toward Doom.

    The “action” in this clip starts around 1:25:

    Some years ago I wrote a rather vicious black-comedy screenplay about two kids planning a Columbine-type massacre. Not being a professional screenwriter, I didn’t know what the hell I was doing.

    [MORE]

    INT. CAFETERIA – DAY (LUNCH PERIOD)

    Paul and Kyle are sitting at the losers’ table, plotting new and interesting ways to murder their ostensible peers. Their lunch trays are full of food, but neither boy is eating. PAUL is scribbling in a notebook; KYLE is staring blankly into space.

    PAUL (in a serious tone)
    Okay, so it’s resolved: we’ll kill the cheerleaders *before* we rape them. [Beat.] Now, let’s move on to the explosives. I still think we should go with the fertilizer bomb.

    KYLE (almost bored)
    Paul, we have been through this already. This is a two-story high school, not a nine-story federal building. A fertilizer bomb is sheer overkill.

    PAUL
    You do want to kill people, don’t you?

    KYLE
    Yes, but I want to kill them with my AR-15. A couple of propane bombs detonated in the cafeteria will kill several dozen people immediately, but still leave enough survivors for us to mow down with our guns.

    PAUL
    Yes, but…

    BRAD HOFFMAN, the swaggering captain of the football team, and his teammate TOM HARTFORD stroll over to the losers’ table.

    BRAD
    Hey, look, it’s the ambiguously gay duo.

    TOM
    See those bags under their eyes? They were up all night, pounding each other.

    BRAD
    I’ll bet they’re both so sore they can barely walk.

    TOM
    Which one is the man?

    BRAD
    Neither, as far as I can tell.

    TOM
    Maybe they just take turns with one of those long, black flashlights.

    PAUL
    Like the one your sister uses?

    TOM
    Shut up, fag.

    PAUL
    Look, Tom, we appreciate the sparkling lunchtime conversation, but we’re kind of busy at the moment, so…

    BRAD snatches PAUL’s notebook out of his hands.

    BRAD
    What’s this? Gay love poetry?

    PAUL
    Brad! Give that back!

    BRAD
    Come on, let’s see what the fags are writing about. [Beat.] Huh. It’s just a bunch of random letters. KL CHR FST TN RP TM. What the fuck?

    PAUL
    It’s homework. I’m working on a … special project. Can I please have it back?

    BRAD
    FRLTZ BM VS PROP BM. BM … that means shit, right?

    KYLE
    Brad is a synonym for shit.

    BRAD tosses the notebook on the floor.

    BRAD
    The pages are all sticky. God, I hope I don’t get AIDS from touching that shit.

    PAUL bends down to retrieve the notebook.

    BRAD
    You’re assuming the standard buttf**king position, I see.

    PAUL grabs the notebook and sits back up.

    KYLE
    Hey, we’re not the ones who go around slapping each other’s asses every time we get a first down. And what’s up with those tight pants they make you wear?

    TOM
    They’re compression pants. If we didn’t wear them, our big fat [YKW] would be flopping around all over the place.

    KYLE
    Yeah, you wish.

    BRAD
    No, you wish. If I ever get drunk enough, I might hit you up for a [YKW]. I’ll bet you give good [YKW].

    KYLE
    Your mother gives it pretty good herself. Although I hear your father’s even better.

    BRAD
    My father could buy this f**king school if he wanted to. He makes more money in a year than you losers will in a lifetime. [Beat.] I’ve got to get out of here before I barf. Peace out, homos. And remember: Help control the pussy population. Have the fags spayed or neutered.

    TOM
    You boys have fun now, you hear? But make sure you use protection. It would be a terrible shame if you ended up with gonorrhea, or something.

    BRAD and TOM walk away. PAUL stares blankly at his notebook.

    KYLE (quietly)
    Do you realize what would happen to us if the wrong person saw that notebook? I mean, you’re using abbreviations, but it’s as not if you’re writing in code.

    PAUL
    You’re right. I really need to encrypt this. Any suggestions?

    KYLE
    How’s your Navajo?

    KYLE
    A bit rusty, I’m afraid.

    The bell rings. Students begin dumping their trays and filing out of the cafeteria. PAUL and KYLE get up and dump their uneaten lunches into the trash.

    PAUL
    What was the special today? I didn’t even look at it.

    KYLE
    I have no idea.

    PAUL and KYLE pause near the entrance to the hallway.

    PAUL
    Kyle?

    KYLE
    Yes?

    PAUL
    When it happens … will you let me do Brad? You can do Tom.

    KYLE
    I was thinking that we could share on both of them. One shot to the left knee … one shot to the right knee … one shot to the balls … one shot up the ass … and then, finally, one merciful shot right between the eyes. Although part of me would just love to blow their faces off and leave them to live the rest of their miserable lives as crippled mutilated faceless freaks.

    PAUL
    A fate worse than death, huh? Yeah, I like the sound of that.

    The two boys leave the area, heading for their fourth-period classes.

  87. @Paul Jolliffe
    @epebble

    Since Ramos did not have a driver’s license, (!!!) might someone in the MSM ask the ATF how they “knew” by late Tuesday afternoon that his rifle purchases on May 17 and May 20 were legal?

    How the hell does an 18 year old with no job and no driver’s license - no state-issued picture ID! - buy anything legally, let alone thousands of dollars worth of firearms, ammo and body armor?

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    Replies: @epebble

    Going by the ABC story, looks like the kid bought the rifles the same way kids buy beer or cigarettes. Probably got a good fake ID and the store didn’t look too carefully. But, since the Right to bear arms is fundamental, can the States be too insistent on the ID? After all, that is the argument against demanding ID for voting. In theory, he should be able to show his Birth certificate and demand to have his Constitutional Right.

  88. @Paul Jolliffe
    @epebble

    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

    Since he had no state identification, how the hell could the ATF state within hours that the rifle purchases were “legal”?

    How the hell could he have “legally” purchased anything, let alone several thousand dollars worth of rifles, ammo and armor?

    Answer?

    He didn’t.

    Someone else fronted him the money for reasons unknown.

    Which might explain why a few months ago he suddenly began telling people that he was untouchable . . .

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)

    The latter is not in the article you quote. To the contrary, unless he had some money left from his mother who’s house he’d left a few months ago he had a job, we’ve heard at Wendy’s, because per the frandfather he had a minor argument with his grandmother over a phone bill. Well, I suppose that could be exceeding a previously agreed limit, but what phone plans aren’t pretty much unlimited today? (Actually don’t know, I have a very inexpensive budget one that limited and one that isn’t.)

    As for ID, he could have gotten a state one not good for driving. Not sure what else is legal for an over the counter gun purchase but I wouldn’t assume nothing else. Does NICS have all the states’ driver licensees and personal ID cards? Lots of states don’t trust them with mental health records, or they say they’re following state law in not sharing them.

    Or your thesis could be partly correct about the money, it’s way too early for the authorities to be certain about these sorts of things and then tell us.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @That Would Be Telling

    Here’s the grandfather - Salvador Ramos had no driver’s license:

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

  89. Have not all the mass shooters been on medication to make them sit still in class? The answer is to double the dosage of psychotropic drugs given to young boys, see if that will settle ’em down.

  90. @J1234
    One of the factors in the Uvalde mass killing reminds me of a theory that popped up after the Parkland shooting...but quickly disappeared into the media's black hole machine: The shooter's past involvement with police and school officials was scrubbed as part of a larger effort to keep minority crime numbers deflated. (This was a policy instigated by the Obama administration, as I recall.) This allowed a troubled and violent young man to buy firearms legally.

    An article from the Independent says this about the Uvalde shooter:


    Texas leaders said on Wednesday that Ramos didn’t have a known criminal or mental health record, and that “there was no meaningful forwarning of his crime” outside of the messages just before the attack....

     

    But also, this:

    “He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b**** and say she wanted to kick him out,” Ms Reyes said. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”

    Mr Flores said the issues grew more clear over the years, as police would show up at Ramos’s home and neighbours saw fights between the mother and son.

     

    Something else that's reminiscent of Parkland from the article:

    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.
     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/salvador-ramos-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-b2087035.html

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden

    Something else that’s reminiscent of Parkland from the article:

    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.

    The Official story and timeline from the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) now is that he shot at a funeral home for twelve minutes before climbing a fence and entering the completely unguarded school. They’ve retracted the claim of him engaging a school resource officer.

    Based on a 911 call a couple of minutes after this started the first police would have arrived as I recall a couple of minutes after he entered the school. An hour later the Border Patrol team went in; there were lots of cops, some with long arms, who were doing nothing but maybe rescuing their own children and keeping the parents from charging in themselves since the police weren’t.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @That Would Be Telling

    Yes, the story about the confrontation with a police officer as he entered the school was debunked at a press conference this morning, but at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter!! That's almost worse than a cowardly cop. All the years my kid's were in public school over the last ten years (i.e., after Sandy Hook) the front doors of all of their schools have been locked.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    , @Alden
    @That Would Be Telling

    Federal Marshalls, probably the most useless and affirmative action federal law enforcement agency were there too. They handcuffed mothers to prevent them getting into the school.

  91. @Ralph L
    Do typical 18 year olds follow the news?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    All these comments that Ramos was influenced by the Buffalo shooter are proof of my opinion that the MEN OF UNZ aren’t married and don’t have teen and young adult children and grandchildren. That age group doesn’t even watch TV news let alone read newspapers.

    I agree with you.

  92. @J1234
    One of the factors in the Uvalde mass killing reminds me of a theory that popped up after the Parkland shooting...but quickly disappeared into the media's black hole machine: The shooter's past involvement with police and school officials was scrubbed as part of a larger effort to keep minority crime numbers deflated. (This was a policy instigated by the Obama administration, as I recall.) This allowed a troubled and violent young man to buy firearms legally.

    An article from the Independent says this about the Uvalde shooter:


    Texas leaders said on Wednesday that Ramos didn’t have a known criminal or mental health record, and that “there was no meaningful forwarning of his crime” outside of the messages just before the attack....

     

    But also, this:

    “He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there and he’d call his mom a b**** and say she wanted to kick him out,” Ms Reyes said. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”

    Mr Flores said the issues grew more clear over the years, as police would show up at Ramos’s home and neighbours saw fights between the mother and son.

     

    Something else that's reminiscent of Parkland from the article:

    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.
     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/salvador-ramos-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-b2087035.html

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Alden

    Has anyone checked if the guard at a school whose oldest students were 3rd graders even have a gun taser or even pepper spray.? I don’t know the local rules about school guards.

  93. @That Would Be Telling
    @Paul Jolliffe


    Salvador Ramos DID NOT HAVE A DRIVER’S LICENSE (or a job!)
     
    The latter is not in the article you quote. To the contrary, unless he had some money left from his mother who's house he'd left a few months ago he had a job, we've heard at Wendy's, because per the frandfather he had a minor argument with his grandmother over a phone bill. Well, I suppose that could be exceeding a previously agreed limit, but what phone plans aren't pretty much unlimited today? (Actually don't know, I have a very inexpensive budget one that limited and one that isn't.)

    As for ID, he could have gotten a state one not good for driving. Not sure what else is legal for an over the counter gun purchase but I wouldn't assume nothing else. Does NICS have all the states' driver licensees and personal ID cards? Lots of states don't trust them with mental health records, or they say they're following state law in not sharing them.

    Or your thesis could be partly correct about the money, it's way too early for the authorities to be certain about these sorts of things and then tell us.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    Here’s the grandfather – Salvador Ramos had no driver’s license:

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-school-shooting-suspects-grandfather-speaks/story?id=84966002

  94. @Alden
    @Daniel H

    Being part owner and on the board of a medium sized construction company electrical hiring nothing but IBEW apprentices and inside wiremen I can tell you there are only a few Union apprentice programs left. Union supermarket workers electricians welders high iron workers. and plumbers seem to be the only viable unions and apprenticeship programs left.

    And except for the supermarket workers they require high school diplomas and the academic math not remedial arithmetic and passing a basic engineering type test You know, raven matrix etc. Plus the ability to read and understand building codes.

    The unions and their apprenticeship programs were destroyed by Nixon’s Philadelphia Plan and just 2 Satanic Supreme Court decisions Griggs vs Duke Power 1973 and Kaiser vs Weber 1979.

    Probably the only reason the judges didn’t go after IBEW is they didn’t want Home Depot parking lot illegals to do the wiring in their court houses.

    What with millions of illegals arriving every year just what we need is millions of 13-16 year olds our begging for work from the capitalist pigs. The more workers the lower the wages for everybody.

    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16. So your utopian solution is useless and just plain silly. And the kid did have a job He worked at a Wendy’s.

    Fast food wouldn’t be my choice if a career. But there are plenty of opportunities in fast food management for high school drop outs. And high school grads. There are many positions between minimum wage clerks and cooks and franchise owners.

    The kid did have a job. In restaurant business. One of the biggest industries in America today. Hires lots of high school kids and drop outs who progress to lower management He dropped out of high school Possibly worked full time. Minimum wage probably what your imaginary 13 14 year old apprentices would make.

    And it didn’t stop him from killing 21 people 19 of them 7 and 8 year olds did it.

    I really need to stop reading these idiotic comments

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16.

    The UK/commonwealth system in which students do a broad set of basic exams at age 16 or so (i.e. O levels), and then the students who want to go to university go on for three years of specialized A levels, makes much more sense. This gives students a reasonable exit point two years earlier than the American system, with the possibility of at least having a basic qualification in hand. If you quit at 16 in the USA you’re a dropout.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The UK idea of most kids going to work at trainee level jobs at 15 or 16 was great back in the 1940s when England was still a manufacturing power with plenty of trainee level jobs for 16 year old boys. And plenty of clerical service typing and other jobs for the girls.

    But that was more than 70 years ago.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    Repeat 70 years ago.

    Manufacturing left the UK decades ago. Customer service has moved to India or is all online. Computers eliminated the need for many office workers. Massive immigration from former British colonies and racial preferences in hiring them vastly increased the work force. Which makes it much harder for each individual to get a job.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    The system you cited was created 70 years ago when there were plenty of trainee jobs for 15 16 year olds.

    Now, in 2022, not 1942 or 1952 there are no trainee level jobs nor apprenticeship system in the UK

    According to my English relatives. And the UK government. There are plenty of job training schemes but they don’t lead to jobs.

    What happens to most of the kids who finish school at 16 is they go on benefit and stay there.

    An English relative did leave school at 16. He’s done very well. Owns a business designing and making special bespoke furniture. His parents paid thousands of pounds and his training took 6 years including a year in Germany and a year in Italy.

    What 16 year old from the former working class now the lifelong benefit class has parents who can pay thousands of pounds for a 6 year apprenticeship?

    Sometimes this site reminds me of Rip Van Winkle. A Rip Van Winkle who didn’t realize times changed since he went to sleep.

    “ Get a STEM degree and get a good job” Hasn’t been true since the 1970s. . Because in the early 1980s the industry began laying off Whites and hiring foreign non Whites.

    It’s not just the nasty comments about White women that bother me about the MEN OF UNZ. It’s the fact that so many think it’s 1972 not 2022. Even the MEN OF UNZ who weren’t even born in 1972.

    Except for a few specialized industries there are no apprenticeships in America or the UK. Germany still has excellent apprenticeship programs leading to good jobs. So does Israel

    But America and the UK don’t.

    Steve’s thread about Salvador Ramos being influenced by news coverage of the Buffalo shooting is a perfect example of old men assuming that someone who turned 18 a few weeks ago has ever read a newspaper in his life. Or watched TV news Or watches TV at all.

    They don’t White black Hispanic rich poor in between teens and young adults don’t read newspapers or watch TV news programs.

    The ignorance about kids teens household management is another reason I don’t believe most of the MEN OF UNZ aren’t never have been married and don’t have kids.

    All this assuming just turned 18 Ramos reads newspapers and watches TV news indicates total ignorance of teens in 2022.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  95. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1529577805633159171?s=20&t=3KDocn3EI08laPfMYmclzg

    The corporate media didn't go whole hog fever swamp crazy after that Baby Boomer nut killed and wounded all those people in Nevada.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Four days after the Vegas shooting, the NY Times reported on allogations of sexual misconduct by a well-known film producer.

    Nothing would ever be the same again.

  96. @Daniel H
    So many of these kids have had awful experience in high school: bullying, alienation, whatever. We have got to lose the idea that all youth must attend secondary school through 17-18. If these kids had been apprenticed out at 13-14 I doubt that they would have become mass murderers. At least they wouldn't have spent so much time with their tormentors.

    As apprentices the hours that they work daily should be limited, and if they have interest in extracurricular activities (sports, theater, whatever) they should be granted full access and accommodation, but just get them out of those damn schools.

    (I hated every minute of high school.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @silviosilver, @stillCARealist, @Alden, @njguy73

    I remember after Columbine, People magazine interviewed some guy who suggested ending mandatory public education at 16.

    BTW, imagine being a high school freshman who turned 15 the day of the Columbine massacre. If that person graduated HS, went to college for four years, got married a month after graduating, and became a parent a year later, their kid would be a high school freshman today.

  97. Earlier I wrote a comment including a lengthy excerpt from my laughingly-inept attempt at a black-comedy screenplay about two would-be school shooters. My goal was to write the great American high-school trash epic. Somehow I doubt that I succeeded.

    That comment is still in moderation – and perhaps it is better for all of us if it stays there. But I might as well go ahead and toss this additional nugget into the digital ether, as well.

    When I realized that I didn’t know how to write a decent screenplay, I reworked the story as a novel. (Then I discovered that I didn’t know how to write a novel, either, but never mind.)

    [MORE]

    I changed a couple of names – “Brad Hoffman” in the movie became “Brad Hartman” in the book. (The character is not Jewish.)

    It’s axiomatic among certain commenters on this site that Hollywood movies often feature hulking blonde jocks as stand-ins for the Nazis and scrawy-but-noble-spirited nerds as stand-ins for the Jews. Without getting into the whole JQ/minoritarian brouhaha, I will say that I do satirize this tendency somewhat in my story. In this excerpt I make it somewhat explicit.

    The Jewish kid is not one of the would-be shooters, although he is on friendly terms with them and unknowingly assists their plans to destroy the school. The shooters do not appear in this excerpt, which focuses on the mother of their main jock antagonist.

    ===

    “Principal Andretti?”

    “Yes, Carol?”

    “Mrs. Hartman is here to see you.”

    Frank Andretti, principal of Christopher Columbus High School, squirmed in his chair. Mariette Hartman was a force to be reckoned with. A striking woman – tall and blonde, with broad shoulders and an angular face – she still exuded the same sense of power and authority she had once commanded as captain of the American women’s Olympic volleyball team. Now she dominated the PTA board just as thoroughly.

    Her husband, Brad, was a wealthy real-estate developer with a highly-competent legal team.

    Her eldest child, Brad Jr., was … a problem.

    He had attended several private schools, and he had been kicked out of all of them for fighting and other assorted forms of mischief. His parents had enrolled him at Columbus at the beginning of his junior year as a last resort.

    Brad was a tall, well-built, good-looking kid who bore a strong resemblance to Dolph Lundgren. He had inherited his mother’s physical strength, command presence, and force of personality. Sadly, his keen natural intelligence was not reflected on his mediocre report cards. But his athletic achievements were nothing short of amazing.

    The young Mr. Hartman was a major factor – the *key* factor – behind the rapidly-improving fortunes of the once-laughable Columbus football team. Last year the team had made it nearly all the way to the state championship. It was still early in the new season, but there was already talk that the Columbus Leopards were destined to go all the way.

    Unfortunately, the same qualities that made him such a stud on the field made him a raging asshole in the hallway. He had a propensity for pushing smaller kids around. (Nearly all of the kids at the school were smaller than him.) Most of his antics were the usual stupid crap – shoving little freshman boys into lockers and the like – but on occasion he waded into deeper waters. And now he was on the edge of a swirling whirlpool.

    Two days earlier, he had tripped a scrawny little kid in the hallway. The kid was wearing glasses. The glasses broke.

    The kid went home and told his mother what had happened. And the mother went ballistic.

    This particular kid, you see, was Jewish. And – allegedly – Brad had told him, “Sorry about the glasses, *Schneiderman*.”

    In recounting the incident to his mother, Joshua Schneiderman had indicated that Brad had placed special emphasis on the word *Schneiderman*, that he had almost spat out the name with pure contempt. Shelley Schneiderman had interpreted this as evidence that Brad’s assault on her son was an anti-Semitic attack.

    Mrs. Schneiderman was demanding a thousand dollars – five hundred for the glasses and five hundred for assorted expenses. The money was not a serious issue; Mariette Hartman had already written out the check. (She had written many such checks before.) But Shelley was extremely upset and offended by the notion that her son had been attacked simply because he was Jewish. She was threatening to call a press conference to denounce the school on national television.

    Frank Andretti had just been nominated for Principal of the Year. Now he faced the unenviable task of trying to clean up this mess without embroiling himself, his school, or his district in an embarrassing – and potentially very costly – scandal.

    “Send her in, Carol.”

    Frank Andretti arose, straightening his 5’6″ frame to its fullest extent.

    The door opened. Mariette Hartman, standing not one millimeter below 6′ and wearing six-inch heels, strode forcefully into the principal’s office. She walked as if she owned every inch of ground upon which she trod.

    “Mrs. Hartman. So good to see you. Please, have a seat.”

    “Where is this woman?” Mrs. Hartman snarled, thrusting her firm ass into the guest chair. “You said she would be here.”

    “Mrs. Schneiderman requested a conference call,” Mr. Andretti replied as he returned to a seated position. “I thought the three of us might sit down together and hash this thing out.”

    “What thing?”

    “Well, you know … the anti-Semitic incident.”

    “I have nothing against Jews,” Mrs. Hartman said. “Our attorney, Maury Feldstein, is Jewish. Maury’s a good friend and a hell of a sharp lawyer. He could make your life very unpleasant, if it became necessary. We would not hesitate to sue the school if we were forced to do so.”

    “It won’t come to that,” Mr. Andretti said through gritted teeth.

    “What does this woman want?” Mrs. Hartman asked. “I’ve already agreed to pay her twice the value of the broken glasses. And, between you and me, I’m not at all certain that those glasses cost nearly as much money as she claims.”

    “She wants an apology,” Mr. Andretti said.

    “My son has already expressed his regrets,” Mrs. Hartman said. “He knows it was a stupid thing to do. But you have to understand, the hallways at this school are pretty crowded. How can you be certain it wasn’t an accident? Are you certain that the hallways are wide enough to accommodate such a large volume of students? Is this building fully up to code?”

    “Most definitely,” Mr. Andretti said, sweating profusely and blinking rapidly. “The entire school underwent an extensive renovation only three years ago. It was practically rebuilt from the ground up. We adhere to the strictest national standards.”

    “I certainly hope so.”

    “Now, Mrs. Hartman, let me be very direct. Numerous witnesses have told us that Brad deliberately targeted Joshua Schneiderman, that he deliberately stepped on Joshua’s foot and then shoved him to the ground. They are willing to testify to this, if need be.”

    Mariette Hartman snorted.

    “My son has lots of enemies who will say anything to get him in trouble,” she said. “Loser kids, who resent the fact that a 6’5″ football player with a great body and a handsome face has quote-unquote rich parents who bought him a Hummer for his birthday. Perhaps the kids at this school need to learn that life is not fair, that God does not distribute His gifts equally to everyone. Perhaps you are failing in your obligation to impart this message to your students.”

    “Religious education is beside the point,” Mr. Andretti said. “The bottom line is that Shelley Schneiderman wants your son to make a public apology to her son. I strongly recommend that you go along with this.”

    “Your recommendation is noted,” Mrs. Hartman said. “Now, tell me: What constitutes a public apology? Does she want us to film a 30-second commercial and buy prime-time slots on the major network affiliates? Should we hire a plane to fly over the downtown area waving a large banner? Put up some billboards on the interstate?”

    Frank Andretti cleared his throat.

    “My suggestion,” he said, “which I have already discussed with Mrs. Schneiderman, is that the apology take place on tomorrow’s morning announcements. Our video-production students put on a five-minute newscast at the end of the first period. Brad and Joshua would appear live. Mrs. Schneiderman would be present in the studio. You would be welcome to attend, if you wish.”

    “I do *wish*.”

    “So you find this proposal acceptable?”

    *Barely* acceptable. I consider it a waste of time, and a personal insult. But I will agree to it.”

    “Excellent,” Mr. Andretti said. “Thank you for your understanding.”

    “You’re welcome,” Mrs. Hartman said. “Now understand this: If I find any evidence that you are attempting to assist this woman or her son or anyone else in pursuing some kind of vendetta against my son or any other member of my family, I will see to it that you lose your job as principal, and that you never work in the education field ever again. Do you comprehend my meaning, Principal Andretti?”

    “Perfectly,” Mr. Andretti said. “Shall I call Mrs. Schneiderman now?”

    “Fine.”

    The principal picked up the phone and dialed the number. Within seconds, a woman with a heavy New York accent was on the line.

    “Schneiderman residence.”

    “Mrs. Schneiderman, this is Principal Andretti. I have Mrs. Hartman here in my office. I’ve discussed my proposal with her, and she’s agreed to it. Do you still want to go ahead with the apology tomorrow morning?”

    Shelley sighed, then spoke. “All right. Mrs. Hartman?”

    “I’m here,” Mrs. Hartman said through gritted teeth.

    “If your son ever tries to bully my kid again, I’ll sue you.”

    Mrs. Hartman smiled, and raised her voice several octaves.

    “Mrs. Schneiderman, I am very, very sorry that my son behaved in such an unacceptable manner. He did not learn that behavior at home, I can assure you. And it will never, ever happen again. You have my personal guarantee. On behalf of my son, and myself, I offer you my deepest apologies.”

    “I appreciate that,” Mrs. Schneiderman said. “I’m sure Brad’s apology will be acceptable. I’ll see you in the morning.” She disconnected the call.

    Principal Andretti sighed. He glanced over at Mrs. Hartman, and saw a strange smile frozen on her Faelid face.

    “That smug little bitch,” she whispered. “She thinks she’s won. But she’s going to find out that you don’t f**k with Mariette Hartman. This ain’t my first time at the rodeo.”

    For a split second, Frank Andretti had a vision of hordes of zombie SS men emerging from their graves to wreak havoc on the Schneidermans at the psychic direction of the tall, striking, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Mariette Hartman (nee Gruber), whose grandfather had died on the Russian front.

    “Well, Frank,” Mrs. Hartman said, rising swiftly to her feet, “I guess I’ll see you tomorrow morning.”

    “I look forward to it,” Mr. Andretti said, standing and striding quickly toward his door. He couldn’t get her out of his office quickly enough.

    Mrs. Hartman lingered near the doorway.

    “You know, Frank, I think it’s wonderful that you’ve been nominated for Principal of the Year.”

    Frank Andretti froze. Her voice was pleasant – too pleasant.

    “I want you to know that you have my full support. And I’m certain that you’re going to retain my full support until May, when the final choice will be made. I’m certain that nothing is going to happen between now and then that will cause me to reconsider my full support for your nomination.”

    “I’m glad,” he said.

    “I’m sure you are,” she said.

    He managed a weak smile, and offered her his hand. She took it, and nearly crushed it with her superhuman grip.

    “Brad is going to have a great senior year here,” she said. “Kevin is going to have a great freshman year. I’ll be very busy with the PTA. You and I will be spending a lot of time together. We’ll make good use of that time, no doubt.”

    “I hope so,” he said.

    “I know so,” she said.

    “See you tomorrow, Mrs. Hartman.”

    “See you tomorrow, Mr. Andretti.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Stan Adams

    >principal is a &@^#%[email protected] white male
    JC voice: Okay.
    >whole mitteleuropa thing
    In midcentury, sure; now you honestly would benefit from some informed affirmative action. The closest you could come to a sane white male might be a conservative Hispanic.
    >principal of the year
    Isn't actually a thing. Go satirical and have the award coveted by educational administrators be some horrible ballless conformity gold star which would excite Joel Grey's character in Kafka.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Alden
    @Stan Adams

    Sounds great. I suggest a little twist. Mariette’s kid is the only true blond in the school blazing White blond. . The Jewish boys are creepy Woody Allen types. The blond kid is a peaceful polite soul. But the Jewish creeps are always bumping into him to set him up for an accusation of anti Semitic bullying.

  98. @AnotherDad
    @ScarletNumber


    The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.
     
    This just seems like some dubious counting (TV sets?) in this "media market" DMA deal.

    The Austin-Round Rock MSA alone is solidly bigger than either the Tidewater or Greenville CSAs--which rope in everything. (And the Tidewater is the bigger of those two.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

    One deal with a few of these medium sized big cities is that the BSU's (big state university) sports program serves the same function of providing the "circuses" part of "bread and circuses". Growing up in Ohio, we all thought the Buckeyes pretty much were Columbus's professional sports teams. Longhorns in Austin. Raleigh-Durham has two choices--successful when it comes to basketball.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Steve Sailer

    Los Angeles had no NFL team for 20 years from 1995 on, so USC boosters stepped up and made USC the #1 college football program (until Texas beat them in a memorable Rose Bowl game). But then USC got caught and sanctioned. So now the NFL is back with two teams.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    It's funny how even when the Rams were very good during their first tenure in LA, they could never win the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, during the same 14-year stretch, USC won 2 undisputed national championships (67 72) and two UPI titles (74 78), as well as 10 AAWU/Pac8/Pac10 championships. Coincidentally, one of those missing Pac8 titles was won by Dick Vermeil and UCLA, who also played at the Coliseum.

  99. @ScarletNumber
    @AnotherDad

    When comparing Austin to Greenville, Nielsen considers Asheville, North Carolina, to be part of the latter while the USCB does not. Therefore, that narrows the gap to 600,000 (2.35MM vs. 1.75MM).

    Nielsen uses TV Homes as its metric, with Greenville having a lead of 27,600 (940K vs. 912.4K). The question is: why are so few Austin residents considered to be TV homes? Maybe because many Austin residents are college students who live in dorms or in communal situations.

    You are correct that Austin considers the Texas Longhorns to be its professional team, and they don't need an actual major league team. This raises the question: what's the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It's West Palm Beach, Florida, although that seems to be cheating since I'm sure if you asked them, they would consider themselves to be Miami fans, Hurricanes, Dolphins, Heat &c. The USCB considers them to the same metro as well. Grand Rapids would then be the winner, but I'm sure they all root for the Detroit pro teams and either Michigan or Michigan State in college.

    As for the most efficient major league sport, it has to be baseball, which makes sense because they have to support 81 games a year and has the largest local revenue percentage, unlike the socialist NFL. Out of 25 US TV markets, the smallest with an MLB team is Milwaukee at 37. The 12 that are skipped are all have a AAA team (Sacramento, Charlotte, Durham, Indianapolis, Nashville, Salt Lake City, Columbus) or a AA team (San Antonio, Hartford).

    The only exceptions are Orlando, Portland, and Greenville. Perhaps they feel they close enough to Tampa Bay, Seattle, and Atlanta, respectively, so that they would cannibalize them if they got teams.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This raises the question: what’s the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It’s West Palm Beach, Florida…

    Serves them right. Florida is ringed by “Beach” towns named after the city on the mainland. WPB degrades itself by doing the opposite. Palm Beach isn’t going to be West Palm Beach Beach anytime soon, so if they were smart, they’d reduce “West Palm Beach” to “Palm”.

    Blame Henry Flagler.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    From what I understand, West Palm Beach predates Palm Beach (the town). WPB was named for the beach, then the beach incorporated itself as a town. I'm hardly an expert in the geography of southern Florida, so someone who is may chime in with any germane expertise.

  100. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar


    is that the largest US city without a major sports franchise?
     
    In terms of sports, Long Beach is considered to be the same "city" as Los Angeles and Anaheim, considering it is in Los Angeles County. But, to answer your question literally, Austin, Texas, is 11th in population but has no major league sports teams, toping out at AAA with the Round Rock Express. Fort Worth, El Paso, Louisville, Albuquerque, Tucson, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, and Colorado Springs are all larger than Long Beach.

    The largest DMA with no major league teams is Hartford, Connecticut, which used to have the Whalers of the WHA and NHL. The largest DMA that has never had a permanent team is Greenville, South Carolina, which had the Carolina Panthers at one point.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AnotherDad, @Steve Sailer

    Austin, TX has some prosperous businesses and wealthy people, as well as is growing fast, and is a long way from any other major league city other than San Antonio (one team), so it likely will get a major league franchise at some point.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    I tend to agree with the others that Austin considers the Longhorns to its major league team, and Texas (the state) has plenty of options for those who prefer professional sports. San Antonio only got into the NBA through the backdoor; I don't know if they would have intentionally expanded there, especially considering Dallas didn't get a team until 1980.

    I consider Austin to be similar to Columbus, where State U is the dominating force in town. I know Columbus has the Blue Jackets, but I think they were trying to have a toe-hold in both Cleveland and Cincinnati. Therefore, I don't see Austin getting a professional team any time soon.

  101. @That Would Be Telling
    @J1234



    Something else that’s reminiscent of Parkland from the article:
     
    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.

     

    The Official story and timeline from the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) now is that he shot at a funeral home for twelve minutes before climbing a fence and entering the completely unguarded school. They've retracted the claim of him engaging a school resource officer.

    Based on a 911 call a couple of minutes after this started the first police would have arrived as I recall a couple of minutes after he entered the school. An hour later the Border Patrol team went in; there were lots of cops, some with long arms, who were doing nothing but maybe rescuing their own children and keeping the parents from charging in themselves since the police weren't.

    Replies: @J1234, @Alden

    Yes, the story about the confrontation with a police officer as he entered the school was debunked at a press conference this morning, but at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter!! That’s almost worse than a cowardly cop. All the years my kid’s were in public school over the last ten years (i.e., after Sandy Hook) the front doors of all of their schools have been locked.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @J1234


    at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter. That’s almost worse than a cowardly cop.
     
    It gets close to worse when you factor in the Official timeline reported in that press conference that there was twelve minutes which included his shooting at a funeral home before he climbed a fence and per the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) as you said strolled into the school. Although given how bad this is looking for the Texas law enforcement community I wouldn't be surprised if they're throwing the school under the bus.
    , @J.Ross
    @J1234

    On 4chan, foreigner comments about American shootings are reliably ignorant, but this one produced an interesting haul of sense, and from Vietnam to Spain to Austria to Russia they were all the same: in my country, you cannot just walk into a school.
    This is what I fear happened: school security measures existed but, like a harness at a certain amusement park, they were defeated by diversity. The door was open to accommodate the tardy, because a lot of the students were consistently tardy. The guard was busy with a siesta and only woke up when it was too late.
    Regarding that avoided keyless room, I hope some exonerating miracle emerges. Ignorant creative savant High Hewitt came up with this: "[sound of long drag] Okay, how about this. They didn't know that there were kids in the room. They hoped there weren't. They thought, we got him trapped, Now we just wait for the cavalry."
    Detective Inspector Phöckke "Dash" Patterson, turning desklamp onto High's sweating face: "So you're asking us to believe that the guy who ended his life invading a school with the purpose of murdering children stopped in a room with no children?"
    High: "Hey, let me have another roach man, this job is hard. You got any more of that Relief Factor?"
    "Dash": "And this cavalry you speak of. You know, that Border Patrol guy went in without backup because his wife texted him about his own kid. He wasn't the cavalry. He wasn't waiting for the cavalry. He was just a man who accepted that some days your job really sucks and you have to show up for work anyway."

    High: "[turning white and standing and sliding with un-Newtonian motion back to the wall] TRUMP WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT AGAIN!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!! HOW MANY KIDS NEED TO DIE TO IMPOSE GUN CONTROL? AS MANY AS IT TAKES!!!!!! THOSE ASTRONAUTS ARE GOING TO DIE UP THERE! LOOK WHAT YOUR RADIO HOST DID! LOOK WHAT YOUR MICROPHONING RADIO HOST DID! YOUR MOTHER KNITS SOCKS IN PITTSBURGH!"

  102. @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    It’s strange that the school-shooting phenomenon existed in entertainment before it existed in reality. “If…” (1968), “Homecoming Queen Has a Gun” (novelty song, 1984), “Heathers” (1988), “Basketball Diaries” (1995), all predated the Columbine massacre (1999).
     
    Brenda Spencer predated the Boomtown Rats:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)

    Charles Whitman did his thing two years before If.... [sic] came out. Ed Gein inspired Psycho. Art and media didn't make this stuff up.


    Speaking of inspiring dangerous behavior, two or three people died hunting for the $2m treasure chest art collector Forrest Fenn hid somewhere in the Rockies. His estate is now up for auction.


    Forrest, who lived in the desert,
    Left millions of dollars in trinkets.
    Head to Hindman's in old Cincinnati
    And offer them worth what you think it's.


    The Estate of Late Antiquities Dealer Forrest Fenn, Who Hid a $2 Million Treasure Chest in the Mountains, Is Heading to Auction

    An Antiquities Dealer Buried $2 Million in Treasure in the Rocky Mountains a Decade Ago. Now, an Intrepid Explorer Has Finally Found It


    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2022/05/large_301014-56_1-768x1024.jpeg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Harry Baldwin, @HammerJack

    Well I read both articles and didn’t see where the actual hiding place was—even roughly speaking. Do you know?

    finding the treasure that eluded hundreds of thousands of hunters

    Apparently, wherever it was, it was pretty crowded.

  103. @JimDandy
    @animalogic

    He got bullied for being poor and worked flipping burgers at Wendy's and he headed into that school with, what, 3K worth of gear? But no, that's crazy talk.

    Replies: @animalogic

    “Poor”, “flipping burgers”, but “3K worth of gear”.
    Something’s not quite right with this equation….(& no JimDandy, I don’t think it’s “crazy talk”)

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Alden
    @animalogic

    This was a guy who turned 18 a few weeks ago and lived at home. He didn’t pay rent or mortgage utilities property taxes car payments or food for the household.

    He’d worked at Wendy’s for 2 years. If he worked just 20 hours a week he would have taken home about $13,000 thirteen thousand dollars after social security but no income tax deductions.

    Saving 3 or 5K out of 13K is easy. Even if he did give grandma $50 to $100 a month to help with household expenses. I doubt it, he doesn’t seem the type. Especially as he was so eager to buy guns he bought them in his 18th birthday. With the 13K he earned in two years.

    He also might have shoplifted clothes and sold the clothes to other kids. Sold weed and other drugs. Kids do that you know.

  104. @J1234
    @That Would Be Telling

    Yes, the story about the confrontation with a police officer as he entered the school was debunked at a press conference this morning, but at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter!! That's almost worse than a cowardly cop. All the years my kid's were in public school over the last ten years (i.e., after Sandy Hook) the front doors of all of their schools have been locked.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter. That’s almost worse than a cowardly cop.

    It gets close to worse when you factor in the Official timeline reported in that press conference that there was twelve minutes which included his shooting at a funeral home before he climbed a fence and per the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) as you said strolled into the school. Although given how bad this is looking for the Texas law enforcement community I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re throwing the school under the bus.

    • Agree: J1234
  105. @anon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    >With thousands of teens multiples of Dunbar’s number,

    The Dunbar number stuff is a kinda quixotic, noble savage paleo man fancy. I mean, being a nameless cog in the machine certainly sucks as well, but with smaller groups the hierarchy stuff can actually become amplified. If you're on the fringes or at the bottom of that group, expect to suffer daily indignities. Once the group gets the idea that you deserve to be on the bottom, it is highly resistant to change.

    It's a softened version of what animal litter mates do to the runt (the weaker they become, the more they get relentlessly bullied until starvation). It's in their individual Darwinian interest to keep that person beneath them-- everybody knows he is the designated whipping boy and it shall stay that way (lest it become me).

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @nebulafox

    It’s always that insecure marginals in the middle class in a status hierarchy that are meticulous in meting out the indignities, not those on top.

  106. The fact that at the Texas shooting armed cops were cowering outside for an hour not daring to go inside in case they got shot really knocks on the head the whole argument that having an armed population is a deterrent to crime and makes us all safer.

    Shouldn’t cops carry bulletproof vests and helmets in the back of the car or something? And what are the guns for if they can’t use them if they are scared of being shot? They might just as well be unarmed.

    And what about tactics like distracting the shooter in some way while another cop comes from another angle?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Jonathan Mason

    Since cops are cowards, they want to be armed only so that they can better harass black people. When it comes to dealing with criminals who also have guns, cops can't be bothered since they are generally useless.

  107. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Alden


    It wasn’t until 12-16 year olds were forced into school that their fathers began to make family living wages.

    Before that kids had to go to work sometime between 7 and 14 or go hungry.

    Anyway, America has compulsory schooling to age 16.

     

    The UK/commonwealth system in which students do a broad set of basic exams at age 16 or so (i.e. O levels), and then the students who want to go to university go on for three years of specialized A levels, makes much more sense. This gives students a reasonable exit point two years earlier than the American system, with the possibility of at least having a basic qualification in hand. If you quit at 16 in the USA you're a dropout.

    Replies: @Alden

    The UK idea of most kids going to work at trainee level jobs at 15 or 16 was great back in the 1940s when England was still a manufacturing power with plenty of trainee level jobs for 16 year old boys. And plenty of clerical service typing and other jobs for the girls.

    But that was more than 70 years ago.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    Repeat 70 years ago.

    Manufacturing left the UK decades ago. Customer service has moved to India or is all online. Computers eliminated the need for many office workers. Massive immigration from former British colonies and racial preferences in hiring them vastly increased the work force. Which makes it much harder for each individual to get a job.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    The system you cited was created 70 years ago when there were plenty of trainee jobs for 15 16 year olds.

    Now, in 2022, not 1942 or 1952 there are no trainee level jobs nor apprenticeship system in the UK

    According to my English relatives. And the UK government. There are plenty of job training schemes but they don’t lead to jobs.

    What happens to most of the kids who finish school at 16 is they go on benefit and stay there.

    An English relative did leave school at 16. He’s done very well. Owns a business designing and making special bespoke furniture. His parents paid thousands of pounds and his training took 6 years including a year in Germany and a year in Italy.

    What 16 year old from the former working class now the lifelong benefit class has parents who can pay thousands of pounds for a 6 year apprenticeship?

    Sometimes this site reminds me of Rip Van Winkle. A Rip Van Winkle who didn’t realize times changed since he went to sleep.

    “ Get a STEM degree and get a good job” Hasn’t been true since the 1970s. . Because in the early 1980s the industry began laying off Whites and hiring foreign non Whites.

    It’s not just the nasty comments about White women that bother me about the MEN OF UNZ. It’s the fact that so many think it’s 1972 not 2022. Even the MEN OF UNZ who weren’t even born in 1972.

    Except for a few specialized industries there are no apprenticeships in America or the UK. Germany still has excellent apprenticeship programs leading to good jobs. So does Israel

    But America and the UK don’t.

    Steve’s thread about Salvador Ramos being influenced by news coverage of the Buffalo shooting is a perfect example of old men assuming that someone who turned 18 a few weeks ago has ever read a newspaper in his life. Or watched TV news Or watches TV at all.

    They don’t White black Hispanic rich poor in between teens and young adults don’t read newspapers or watch TV news programs.

    The ignorance about kids teens household management is another reason I don’t believe most of the MEN OF UNZ aren’t never have been married and don’t have kids.

    All this assuming just turned 18 Ramos reads newspapers and watches TV news indicates total ignorance of teens in 2022.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    "Steve’s thread about Salvador Ramos being influenced by news coverage of the Buffalo shooting is a perfect example of old men assuming that someone who turned 18 a few weeks ago has ever read a newspaper in his life. Or watched TV news Or watches TV at all."

    There's no linkage between what a teen sees on social media and what the news industry is talking about? Especially a teen who is already interested in mass shootings?

  108. @Stan Adams
    Earlier I wrote a comment including a lengthy excerpt from my laughingly-inept attempt at a black-comedy screenplay about two would-be school shooters. My goal was to write the great American high-school trash epic. Somehow I doubt that I succeeded.

    That comment is still in moderation - and perhaps it is better for all of us if it stays there. But I might as well go ahead and toss this additional nugget into the digital ether, as well.

    When I realized that I didn't know how to write a decent screenplay, I reworked the story as a novel. (Then I discovered that I didn't know how to write a novel, either, but never mind.)



    I changed a couple of names - "Brad Hoffman" in the movie became "Brad Hartman" in the book. (The character is not Jewish.)

    It's axiomatic among certain commenters on this site that Hollywood movies often feature hulking blonde jocks as stand-ins for the Nazis and scrawy-but-noble-spirited nerds as stand-ins for the Jews. Without getting into the whole JQ/minoritarian brouhaha, I will say that I do satirize this tendency somewhat in my story. In this excerpt I make it somewhat explicit.

    The Jewish kid is not one of the would-be shooters, although he is on friendly terms with them and unknowingly assists their plans to destroy the school. The shooters do not appear in this excerpt, which focuses on the mother of their main jock antagonist.

    ===

    "Principal Andretti?"

    "Yes, Carol?"

    "Mrs. Hartman is here to see you."

    Frank Andretti, principal of Christopher Columbus High School, squirmed in his chair. Mariette Hartman was a force to be reckoned with. A striking woman - tall and blonde, with broad shoulders and an angular face - she still exuded the same sense of power and authority she had once commanded as captain of the American women's Olympic volleyball team. Now she dominated the PTA board just as thoroughly.

    Her husband, Brad, was a wealthy real-estate developer with a highly-competent legal team.

    Her eldest child, Brad Jr., was ... a problem.

    He had attended several private schools, and he had been kicked out of all of them for fighting and other assorted forms of mischief. His parents had enrolled him at Columbus at the beginning of his junior year as a last resort.

    Brad was a tall, well-built, good-looking kid who bore a strong resemblance to Dolph Lundgren. He had inherited his mother's physical strength, command presence, and force of personality. Sadly, his keen natural intelligence was not reflected on his mediocre report cards. But his athletic achievements were nothing short of amazing.

    The young Mr. Hartman was a major factor - the *key* factor - behind the rapidly-improving fortunes of the once-laughable Columbus football team. Last year the team had made it nearly all the way to the state championship. It was still early in the new season, but there was already talk that the Columbus Leopards were destined to go all the way.

    Unfortunately, the same qualities that made him such a stud on the field made him a raging asshole in the hallway. He had a propensity for pushing smaller kids around. (Nearly all of the kids at the school were smaller than him.) Most of his antics were the usual stupid crap - shoving little freshman boys into lockers and the like - but on occasion he waded into deeper waters. And now he was on the edge of a swirling whirlpool.

    Two days earlier, he had tripped a scrawny little kid in the hallway. The kid was wearing glasses. The glasses broke.

    The kid went home and told his mother what had happened. And the mother went ballistic.

    This particular kid, you see, was Jewish. And - allegedly - Brad had told him, "Sorry about the glasses, *Schneiderman*."

    In recounting the incident to his mother, Joshua Schneiderman had indicated that Brad had placed special emphasis on the word *Schneiderman*, that he had almost spat out the name with pure contempt. Shelley Schneiderman had interpreted this as evidence that Brad's assault on her son was an anti-Semitic attack.

    Mrs. Schneiderman was demanding a thousand dollars - five hundred for the glasses and five hundred for assorted expenses. The money was not a serious issue; Mariette Hartman had already written out the check. (She had written many such checks before.) But Shelley was extremely upset and offended by the notion that her son had been attacked simply because he was Jewish. She was threatening to call a press conference to denounce the school on national television.

    Frank Andretti had just been nominated for Principal of the Year. Now he faced the unenviable task of trying to clean up this mess without embroiling himself, his school, or his district in an embarrassing - and potentially very costly - scandal.

    "Send her in, Carol."

    Frank Andretti arose, straightening his 5'6" frame to its fullest extent.

    The door opened. Mariette Hartman, standing not one millimeter below 6' and wearing six-inch heels, strode forcefully into the principal's office. She walked as if she owned every inch of ground upon which she trod.

    "Mrs. Hartman. So good to see you. Please, have a seat."

    "Where is this woman?" Mrs. Hartman snarled, thrusting her firm ass into the guest chair. "You said she would be here."

    "Mrs. Schneiderman requested a conference call," Mr. Andretti replied as he returned to a seated position. "I thought the three of us might sit down together and hash this thing out."

    "What thing?"

    "Well, you know ... the anti-Semitic incident."

    "I have nothing against Jews," Mrs. Hartman said. "Our attorney, Maury Feldstein, is Jewish. Maury's a good friend and a hell of a sharp lawyer. He could make your life very unpleasant, if it became necessary. We would not hesitate to sue the school if we were forced to do so."

    "It won't come to that," Mr. Andretti said through gritted teeth.

    "What does this woman want?" Mrs. Hartman asked. "I've already agreed to pay her twice the value of the broken glasses. And, between you and me, I'm not at all certain that those glasses cost nearly as much money as she claims."

    "She wants an apology," Mr. Andretti said.

    "My son has already expressed his regrets," Mrs. Hartman said. "He knows it was a stupid thing to do. But you have to understand, the hallways at this school are pretty crowded. How can you be certain it wasn't an accident? Are you certain that the hallways are wide enough to accommodate such a large volume of students? Is this building fully up to code?"

    "Most definitely," Mr. Andretti said, sweating profusely and blinking rapidly. "The entire school underwent an extensive renovation only three years ago. It was practically rebuilt from the ground up. We adhere to the strictest national standards."

    "I certainly hope so."

    "Now, Mrs. Hartman, let me be very direct. Numerous witnesses have told us that Brad deliberately targeted Joshua Schneiderman, that he deliberately stepped on Joshua's foot and then shoved him to the ground. They are willing to testify to this, if need be."

    Mariette Hartman snorted.

    "My son has lots of enemies who will say anything to get him in trouble," she said. "Loser kids, who resent the fact that a 6'5" football player with a great body and a handsome face has quote-unquote rich parents who bought him a Hummer for his birthday. Perhaps the kids at this school need to learn that life is not fair, that God does not distribute His gifts equally to everyone. Perhaps you are failing in your obligation to impart this message to your students."

    "Religious education is beside the point," Mr. Andretti said. "The bottom line is that Shelley Schneiderman wants your son to make a public apology to her son. I strongly recommend that you go along with this."

    "Your recommendation is noted," Mrs. Hartman said. "Now, tell me: What constitutes a public apology? Does she want us to film a 30-second commercial and buy prime-time slots on the major network affiliates? Should we hire a plane to fly over the downtown area waving a large banner? Put up some billboards on the interstate?"

    Frank Andretti cleared his throat.

    "My suggestion," he said, "which I have already discussed with Mrs. Schneiderman, is that the apology take place on tomorrow's morning announcements. Our video-production students put on a five-minute newscast at the end of the first period. Brad and Joshua would appear live. Mrs. Schneiderman would be present in the studio. You would be welcome to attend, if you wish."

    "I do *wish*."

    "So you find this proposal acceptable?"

    "*Barely* acceptable. I consider it a waste of time, and a personal insult. But I will agree to it."

    "Excellent," Mr. Andretti said. "Thank you for your understanding."

    "You're welcome," Mrs. Hartman said. "Now understand this: If I find any evidence that you are attempting to assist this woman or her son or anyone else in pursuing some kind of vendetta against my son or any other member of my family, I will see to it that you lose your job as principal, and that you never work in the education field ever again. Do you comprehend my meaning, Principal Andretti?"

    "Perfectly," Mr. Andretti said. "Shall I call Mrs. Schneiderman now?"

    "Fine."

    The principal picked up the phone and dialed the number. Within seconds, a woman with a heavy New York accent was on the line.

    "Schneiderman residence."

    "Mrs. Schneiderman, this is Principal Andretti. I have Mrs. Hartman here in my office. I've discussed my proposal with her, and she's agreed to it. Do you still want to go ahead with the apology tomorrow morning?"

    Shelley sighed, then spoke. "All right. Mrs. Hartman?"

    "I'm here," Mrs. Hartman said through gritted teeth.

    "If your son ever tries to bully my kid again, I'll sue you."

    Mrs. Hartman smiled, and raised her voice several octaves.

    "Mrs. Schneiderman, I am very, very sorry that my son behaved in such an unacceptable manner. He did not learn that behavior at home, I can assure you. And it will never, ever happen again. You have my personal guarantee. On behalf of my son, and myself, I offer you my deepest apologies."

    "I appreciate that," Mrs. Schneiderman said. "I'm sure Brad's apology will be acceptable. I'll see you in the morning." She disconnected the call.

    Principal Andretti sighed. He glanced over at Mrs. Hartman, and saw a strange smile frozen on her Faelid face.

    "That smug little bitch," she whispered. "She thinks she's won. But she's going to find out that you don't f**k with Mariette Hartman. This ain't my first time at the rodeo."

    For a split second, Frank Andretti had a vision of hordes of zombie SS men emerging from their graves to wreak havoc on the Schneidermans at the psychic direction of the tall, striking, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Mariette Hartman (nee Gruber), whose grandfather had died on the Russian front.

    "Well, Frank," Mrs. Hartman said, rising swiftly to her feet, "I guess I'll see you tomorrow morning."

    "I look forward to it," Mr. Andretti said, standing and striding quickly toward his door. He couldn't get her out of his office quickly enough.

    Mrs. Hartman lingered near the doorway.

    "You know, Frank, I think it's wonderful that you've been nominated for Principal of the Year."

    Frank Andretti froze. Her voice was pleasant - too pleasant.

    "I want you to know that you have my full support. And I'm certain that you're going to retain my full support until May, when the final choice will be made. I'm certain that nothing is going to happen between now and then that will cause me to reconsider my full support for your nomination."

    "I'm glad," he said.

    "I'm sure you are," she said.

    He managed a weak smile, and offered her his hand. She took it, and nearly crushed it with her superhuman grip.

    "Brad is going to have a great senior year here," she said. "Kevin is going to have a great freshman year. I'll be very busy with the PTA. You and I will be spending a lot of time together. We'll make good use of that time, no doubt."

    "I hope so," he said.

    "I know so," she said.

    "See you tomorrow, Mrs. Hartman."

    "See you tomorrow, Mr. Andretti."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden

    >principal is a &@^#%\[email protected] white male
    JC voice: Okay.
    >whole mitteleuropa thing
    In midcentury, sure; now you honestly would benefit from some informed affirmative action. The closest you could come to a sane white male might be a conservative Hispanic.
    >principal of the year
    Isn’t actually a thing. Go satirical and have the award coveted by educational administrators be some horrible ballless conformity gold star which would excite Joel Grey’s character in Kafka.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @J.Ross

    The story is a (dark) parody of the media portrayal of the Columbine massacre, set in the same general time period (late '90s). The school is somewhere in flyover country. Most of the characters are loosely based on their real-life counterparts.

    The real-life principal at Columbine, who stayed on for many years after the massacre, was a short Italian guy:



    https://i.ibb.co/QYxZBJv/frank-deangelis.jpg

    His replacement, still in the position, is a tall bald white guy (!).

    In the late '90s the school was a veritable whitopia:

    https://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/yadbgu10.jpg

    Brad is a composite of two real jocks. One of them, R., the captain of the wrestling team, had a ridiculously German surname and had a reputation for being the biggest jerk in the school. He ended up at Columbine after being kicked out of multiple private schools for fighting. His father was a wealthy contractor who gave his sons Hummers and Dodge Vipers as birthday gifts.

    He was accused of bullying a Jewish kid in gym class. Naturally, The Washington Post ran a long front-page story exposing the epidemic of dumb-jock anti-Semitism in the American heartland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/june99/columbine12.htm

    The other one was L., a popular football player who looked vaguely like Matt Damon. He appears around 1:23 in this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2tWeckSvuY

    L. had a pretty Mexican girlfriend who claimed to have been despised by the popular white girls. (R., who did not like L., once shouted in the hallway that she had been passed around the football team. Ironically, R. later married a vaguely Asian-looking Mexican woman in real life.)

    Her mother disapproved of the relationship because she was a senior and he was a junior. L. later claimed that she was playing games with him - at times, she would tell him that she had to go along with her mother's wishes, but then she would tell him that she loved him and wanted to be with him.

    There was an incident at her house. According to him, one evening, he returned from a weekend football camp and knocked on her window, only to discover that she was in bed with another guy. Naturally, he got upset. The police were called. She ended up getting a restraining order and denounced him to a local newspaper as a crazy stalker.

    The Schneidermans are based on a non-Jewish family whose older son B. was friends with the killers. B. and Dylan (who was half-Jewish) grew up in the area together and were good friends from elementary school onward. In high school, they were both tall, skinny "freak" kids with less-than-exemplary hygiene habits. B. was never especially close to Eric, but he tolerated him for Dylan's sake.

    Eric never totally fit in with Dylan's friends, largely because they had all grown up in the Denver area and he hadn't (although his father had). Eric was an Air Force brat. His father retired when he learned that their base, the SAC facility in Plattsburgh, was on the chopping block.

    (Ironically, Eric's older brother, was by all accounts the perfect son - a popular football player and a good student who grew up to become a physical therapist. His wife is quite attractive.)

    B. had a run-in with Eric after Eric threw a piece of ice at B.'s windshield. B.'s parents - especially his mother, who was something of a hysterical Karen type - freaked out. B.'s mother went to Eric's father and tried to get him in trouble - more trouble than he was already in. (Eric and Dylan were already on probation for breaking into a van.) Eric's father compelled his son to apologize, but B.'s mother said, flat-out, "I know you're lying to me, Eric. Your apology is not genuine."

    Then, a few weeks later, Dylan told B. that he needed to check out Eric's Web site. B. discovered that Eric had posted death threats against B. and his family on the site. B.'s parents called the police to report the incident. Unconscionably, the police did not pursue the matter. (If they had, it is likely that they would have discovered that Eric was already hoarding weapons in his room, and the plans for the massacre might have been derailed.)

    For Dylan's sake, B. reconciled with Eric in the months before the shooting. B. claims to have spoken to Eric just minutes before the shooting began. B. was walking through the parking lot at the beginning of lunch period when Eric pulled up in his car. Supposedly, Eric told him, "B., I like you now. Get out of here. Go home." B. left the campus.

    He and his parents later gained a reputation as attention whores - they appeared on any television program that would have them. Both B. and his father have written books about the massacre.

    B. can be seen in this clip from a British documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvquFYMMOrg

    At first, I named the would-be killers Stan and Kyle, but that was too obvious a steal from South Park - which, incidentally, is based in the Denver area. Even Kyle alone might be too obvious.

    In South Park, Kyle is Jewish. In real life, Dylan was half-Jewish, but I assigned the name Kyle to the Eric character.

    Paul is based on Dylan, a bone-thin 6'3"; Kyle is based on Eric, a skinny 5'9". Despite his diminutive stature, Eric is often portrayed as the dominant personality.

    Dylan wrote love letters to various girls. He was what Heartiste could call a hopeless beta - placing the girls on pedestals.

    Ironically, he had a female platonic friend who really liked him, but he was not interested in her. She bought a couple of the weapons used in the massacre - she was 18 and the boys were still 17 - and got off essentially scot-free. (In contrast, one of their co-workers at the pizza parlor where they worked sold them one gun and ended up going to prison for several years.)

    In my story, there is a love triangle between Brad, Paul, and Brad's girlfriend Susan, who is smart and pretty but secretly miserable. Susan hates Brad, but she comes from a poor family and she knows that marrying a kid from a wealthy background could make life a lot easier for her long-struggling parents. If nothing else, she enjoys the social prominence that comes from being the girlfriend of the most eligible guy in school, even if he is somewhat abusive.

    Brad has more depth than the typical dumb-jock character. He's a genuinely smart guy who really doesn't like playing football, even though he's very good at it. He genuinely likes Susan, even though he sometimes takes his aggressions out on her. He'd like to quit sports altogether and pursue a musical career. But his domineering mother would never approve - she wants both of her sons to play in the NFL. (Kevin, several years younger, is an excellent athlete in his own right.) So he's stuck playing the role of the swaggering Big Man on Campus and he plays it to the hilt.

    Susan learns that she is pregnant. She wants to get an abortion, but before she can do so Mrs. Hartman figures out what is happening and confronts her. To Susan's shock, Mrs. Hartman offers to pay for the abortion - on condition that Susan break up with her son and leave town immediately. Mrs. Hartman promises Susan that she will use her leverage with the principal to get her a diploma and a recommendation to a top college.

    Susan's mother also figures out that Susan is pregnant. She convinces Susan that she must go ahead and have the child, for the benefit of the family. Susan reluctantly agrees.

    One Friday night, Susan tells Brad that he is going to become a father. Overcome with emotion, he offers to elope. (They are both 18.) She accepts. Telling their parents that they are going to spend the weekend with friends at a nearby lake, they instead make a marathon round-trip drive to Las Vegas and return late on Sunday evening as a married couple.

    Mrs. Hartman does not take the news well (to put it mildly). But after some soul-searching she comes to accept that Susan, the soon-to-be mother of her soon-to-be grandson, is now her daughter-in-law. She hopes that the experience of becoming a father will force Brad to become more mature. She also rationalizes that it is better for her son to have a stable relationship as opposed to sleeping with God-knows-how-many groupies, although she is fully aware that a young man in his position will have plenty of opportunities to stray from the straight-and-arrow.

    Susan begins looking for a way to get rid of Brad while getting his money.

    Susan finds Paul and Kyle's notebook and figures out what they're planning to do. She discovers that Paul has a major crush on her, that he has written her numerous love letters but has never worked up the nerve to send any of them. She begins encouraging his affections, sneaking off with him to have secret liaisons. She doesn't really like him, but she wants Brad dead.

    Kyle secretly resents the attention that Paul is receiving from Susan. As time goes on, his resentment reaches a boiling point.

    In my story, the would-be killers do not succeed. When their bombs do not go off, they fire a few shots, hitting no one but sparking a massive stampede. All hell breaks loose as one of their bullets sets off the fire alarms and the sprinkler system.

    Brad and Paula are trapped in the audio/visual room in the library, where they have been taping a segment for the morning TV program about having been named the first married Homecoming King and Queen in school history.

    Paul and Kyle burst into the library. Brad rushes out of the audio/visual room into the main reading area and tackles Paul to the floor. In the process, Kyle is knocked to the ground, as well, and loses his grip on his rifle. Brad tries to grab the rifle, only to find that Kyle has pulled a shotgun out of his pocket and is aiming it squarely at Brad's head. Kyle flashes a cheshire grin as the arrogant jock quivers in fear, knowing that the little geek holds all the cards.

    "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?" Kyle asks, quoting Ray Beatty in Blade Runner. "That's what it is to be a slave. I have lived as a slave for all these miserable years, always the skinny little runt at the bottom of the totem pole, always forced to take the abuse dished out by worthless assholes like you. But now we find that our roles have been reversed. You are the slave; I am the master. And the master says ... time to die."

    Brad closes his eyes. A shot is fired.

    Brad opens his eyes to see that Kyle is dead, blood gushing from his head. He looks over to the doorway to see his mother brandishing a pistol. Then he realizes that Paul is not in the reading room. He looks over at the door to the audio/visual room and sees that it is closed, even though he left it open.

    "Get out of here, Brad," his mother says.

    Brad obeys without comment.

    In the audio/visual room, Paul is having one final conversation with Susan.

    "Why didn't you run away?" Susan asks. "You might have been able to escape."

    "I had to make sure you were all right," Paul says. "I had to know you were safe."

    "Why?" she asks.

    "Because I love you," he says, barely holding back tears.

    "I don't love you," she replies.

    "I know," he says sadly. "But it doesn't change anything. I love you, Susan, and I'll never stop loving you."

    Mrs. Hartman begins pounding on the door. "Susan! Are you in there? It's me! Open up!"

    Paul kisses Susan's hand tenderly, then takes a step back.

    "Remember me," he says. Then he aims his gun at his head and blows his brains out.

    In the haze and confusion that follow, Susan is deaf from the roar of the gunshot and almost blind. She has a vague impression of someone ramming down the door. Cops and paramedics are swarming all over her. Eventually she realizes that Mrs. Hartman is leading her outside. Finally she finds that she is standing next to Brad's car, and that he is embracing her.

    "It's a sign," he tells her. "It's a sign from God. We're meant to be together."

    Overcome with emotion, he slumps down next to his car and breaks into tears. She leans down and comforts him half-heartedly.

    Mrs. Hartman puts a hand on her shoulder. She is still holding the pistol. Susan can see that it is loaded.

    "Survival is a privilege," the towering blonde tells her petite daughter-in-law. "We have to earn it every second of every minute of every day. And when we stop earning it ... we die."

    She gives Susan a severe look, then walks off.

    Susan looks over at the entrance to the school. Paul and Kyle's bodies are being removed. Then she sits down next to her husband, and places her head on his shoulder. He clutches her like a security blanket.

    "This is it," he says. "I'm never letting go of you ever again. We're together forever."

    "Together forever," she repeats. "Together forever."

    "Together forever," he says, and kisses her softly.

    She sighs. Her eyes are completely dry.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  109. @J1234
    @That Would Be Telling

    Yes, the story about the confrontation with a police officer as he entered the school was debunked at a press conference this morning, but at the same press conference it was claimed that the front door of the school was left open so that the shooter was free to enter!! That's almost worse than a cowardly cop. All the years my kid's were in public school over the last ten years (i.e., after Sandy Hook) the front doors of all of their schools have been locked.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    On 4chan, foreigner comments about American shootings are reliably ignorant, but this one produced an interesting haul of sense, and from Vietnam to Spain to Austria to Russia they were all the same: in my country, you cannot just walk into a school.
    This is what I fear happened: school security measures existed but, like a harness at a certain amusement park, they were defeated by diversity. The door was open to accommodate the tardy, because a lot of the students were consistently tardy. The guard was busy with a siesta and only woke up when it was too late.
    Regarding that avoided keyless room, I hope some exonerating miracle emerges. Ignorant creative savant High Hewitt came up with this: “[sound of long drag] Okay, how about this. They didn’t know that there were kids in the room. They hoped there weren’t. They thought, we got him trapped, Now we just wait for the cavalry.”
    Detective Inspector Phöckke “Dash” Patterson, turning desklamp onto High’s sweating face: “So you’re asking us to believe that the guy who ended his life invading a school with the purpose of murdering children stopped in a room with no children?”
    High: “Hey, let me have another roach man, this job is hard. You got any more of that Relief Factor?”
    “Dash”: “And this cavalry you speak of. You know, that Border Patrol guy went in without backup because his wife texted him about his own kid. He wasn’t the cavalry. He wasn’t waiting for the cavalry. He was just a man who accepted that some days your job really sucks and you have to show up for work anyway.”

    [MORE]

    High: “[turning white and standing and sliding with un-Newtonian motion back to the wall] TRUMP WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT AGAIN!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!! HOW MANY KIDS NEED TO DIE TO IMPOSE GUN CONTROL? AS MANY AS IT TAKES!!!!!! THOSE ASTRONAUTS ARE GOING TO DIE UP THERE! LOOK WHAT YOUR RADIO HOST DID! LOOK WHAT YOUR MICROPHONING RADIO HOST DID! YOUR MOTHER KNITS SOCKS IN PITTSBURGH!”

  110. @animalogic
    @JimDandy

    "Poor", "flipping burgers", but "3K worth of gear".
    Something's not quite right with this equation....(& no JimDandy, I don't think it's "crazy talk")

    Replies: @Alden

    This was a guy who turned 18 a few weeks ago and lived at home. He didn’t pay rent or mortgage utilities property taxes car payments or food for the household.

    He’d worked at Wendy’s for 2 years. If he worked just 20 hours a week he would have taken home about \$13,000 thirteen thousand dollars after social security but no income tax deductions.

    Saving 3 or 5K out of 13K is easy. Even if he did give grandma \$50 to \$100 a month to help with household expenses. I doubt it, he doesn’t seem the type. Especially as he was so eager to buy guns he bought them in his 18th birthday. With the 13K he earned in two years.

    He also might have shoplifted clothes and sold the clothes to other kids. Sold weed and other drugs. Kids do that you know.

  111. @nebulafox
    Of course it did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herostratus

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    Sure, but never forget the Deep State factor (this is for all the intelligence lickspittle flunkies/shills/trolls on this site who loudly and vehemently deflect away from any and all legit suspicions of psy-ops):

    A “retired” federal agent was on the Buffalo shooter’s Discord chat site with him just before the shooting.

    Probably talking about the weather, right fellas? . . .

    https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.amp.html

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    This raises the question: what’s the largest TV market with no major league nor major NCAA team? It’s West Palm Beach, Florida...
     
    Serves them right. Florida is ringed by "Beach" towns named after the city on the mainland. WPB degrades itself by doing the opposite. Palm Beach isn't going to be West Palm Beach Beach anytime soon, so if they were smart, they'd reduce "West Palm Beach" to "Palm".

    Blame Henry Flagler.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    From what I understand, West Palm Beach predates Palm Beach (the town). WPB was named for the beach, then the beach incorporated itself as a town. I’m hardly an expert in the geography of southern Florida, so someone who is may chime in with any germane expertise.

  113. @Jonathan Mason
    The fact that at the Texas shooting armed cops were cowering outside for an hour not daring to go inside in case they got shot really knocks on the head the whole argument that having an armed population is a deterrent to crime and makes us all safer.

    Shouldn't cops carry bulletproof vests and helmets in the back of the car or something? And what are the guns for if they can't use them if they are scared of being shot? They might just as well be unarmed.

    And what about tactics like distracting the shooter in some way while another cop comes from another angle?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Since cops are cowards, they want to be armed only so that they can better harass black people. When it comes to dealing with criminals who also have guns, cops can’t be bothered since they are generally useless.

  114. @Stan Adams
    Earlier I wrote a comment including a lengthy excerpt from my laughingly-inept attempt at a black-comedy screenplay about two would-be school shooters. My goal was to write the great American high-school trash epic. Somehow I doubt that I succeeded.

    That comment is still in moderation - and perhaps it is better for all of us if it stays there. But I might as well go ahead and toss this additional nugget into the digital ether, as well.

    When I realized that I didn't know how to write a decent screenplay, I reworked the story as a novel. (Then I discovered that I didn't know how to write a novel, either, but never mind.)



    I changed a couple of names - "Brad Hoffman" in the movie became "Brad Hartman" in the book. (The character is not Jewish.)

    It's axiomatic among certain commenters on this site that Hollywood movies often feature hulking blonde jocks as stand-ins for the Nazis and scrawy-but-noble-spirited nerds as stand-ins for the Jews. Without getting into the whole JQ/minoritarian brouhaha, I will say that I do satirize this tendency somewhat in my story. In this excerpt I make it somewhat explicit.

    The Jewish kid is not one of the would-be shooters, although he is on friendly terms with them and unknowingly assists their plans to destroy the school. The shooters do not appear in this excerpt, which focuses on the mother of their main jock antagonist.

    ===

    "Principal Andretti?"

    "Yes, Carol?"

    "Mrs. Hartman is here to see you."

    Frank Andretti, principal of Christopher Columbus High School, squirmed in his chair. Mariette Hartman was a force to be reckoned with. A striking woman - tall and blonde, with broad shoulders and an angular face - she still exuded the same sense of power and authority she had once commanded as captain of the American women's Olympic volleyball team. Now she dominated the PTA board just as thoroughly.

    Her husband, Brad, was a wealthy real-estate developer with a highly-competent legal team.

    Her eldest child, Brad Jr., was ... a problem.

    He had attended several private schools, and he had been kicked out of all of them for fighting and other assorted forms of mischief. His parents had enrolled him at Columbus at the beginning of his junior year as a last resort.

    Brad was a tall, well-built, good-looking kid who bore a strong resemblance to Dolph Lundgren. He had inherited his mother's physical strength, command presence, and force of personality. Sadly, his keen natural intelligence was not reflected on his mediocre report cards. But his athletic achievements were nothing short of amazing.

    The young Mr. Hartman was a major factor - the *key* factor - behind the rapidly-improving fortunes of the once-laughable Columbus football team. Last year the team had made it nearly all the way to the state championship. It was still early in the new season, but there was already talk that the Columbus Leopards were destined to go all the way.

    Unfortunately, the same qualities that made him such a stud on the field made him a raging asshole in the hallway. He had a propensity for pushing smaller kids around. (Nearly all of the kids at the school were smaller than him.) Most of his antics were the usual stupid crap - shoving little freshman boys into lockers and the like - but on occasion he waded into deeper waters. And now he was on the edge of a swirling whirlpool.

    Two days earlier, he had tripped a scrawny little kid in the hallway. The kid was wearing glasses. The glasses broke.

    The kid went home and told his mother what had happened. And the mother went ballistic.

    This particular kid, you see, was Jewish. And - allegedly - Brad had told him, "Sorry about the glasses, *Schneiderman*."

    In recounting the incident to his mother, Joshua Schneiderman had indicated that Brad had placed special emphasis on the word *Schneiderman*, that he had almost spat out the name with pure contempt. Shelley Schneiderman had interpreted this as evidence that Brad's assault on her son was an anti-Semitic attack.

    Mrs. Schneiderman was demanding a thousand dollars - five hundred for the glasses and five hundred for assorted expenses. The money was not a serious issue; Mariette Hartman had already written out the check. (She had written many such checks before.) But Shelley was extremely upset and offended by the notion that her son had been attacked simply because he was Jewish. She was threatening to call a press conference to denounce the school on national television.

    Frank Andretti had just been nominated for Principal of the Year. Now he faced the unenviable task of trying to clean up this mess without embroiling himself, his school, or his district in an embarrassing - and potentially very costly - scandal.

    "Send her in, Carol."

    Frank Andretti arose, straightening his 5'6" frame to its fullest extent.

    The door opened. Mariette Hartman, standing not one millimeter below 6' and wearing six-inch heels, strode forcefully into the principal's office. She walked as if she owned every inch of ground upon which she trod.

    "Mrs. Hartman. So good to see you. Please, have a seat."

    "Where is this woman?" Mrs. Hartman snarled, thrusting her firm ass into the guest chair. "You said she would be here."

    "Mrs. Schneiderman requested a conference call," Mr. Andretti replied as he returned to a seated position. "I thought the three of us might sit down together and hash this thing out."

    "What thing?"

    "Well, you know ... the anti-Semitic incident."

    "I have nothing against Jews," Mrs. Hartman said. "Our attorney, Maury Feldstein, is Jewish. Maury's a good friend and a hell of a sharp lawyer. He could make your life very unpleasant, if it became necessary. We would not hesitate to sue the school if we were forced to do so."

    "It won't come to that," Mr. Andretti said through gritted teeth.

    "What does this woman want?" Mrs. Hartman asked. "I've already agreed to pay her twice the value of the broken glasses. And, between you and me, I'm not at all certain that those glasses cost nearly as much money as she claims."

    "She wants an apology," Mr. Andretti said.

    "My son has already expressed his regrets," Mrs. Hartman said. "He knows it was a stupid thing to do. But you have to understand, the hallways at this school are pretty crowded. How can you be certain it wasn't an accident? Are you certain that the hallways are wide enough to accommodate such a large volume of students? Is this building fully up to code?"

    "Most definitely," Mr. Andretti said, sweating profusely and blinking rapidly. "The entire school underwent an extensive renovation only three years ago. It was practically rebuilt from the ground up. We adhere to the strictest national standards."

    "I certainly hope so."

    "Now, Mrs. Hartman, let me be very direct. Numerous witnesses have told us that Brad deliberately targeted Joshua Schneiderman, that he deliberately stepped on Joshua's foot and then shoved him to the ground. They are willing to testify to this, if need be."

    Mariette Hartman snorted.

    "My son has lots of enemies who will say anything to get him in trouble," she said. "Loser kids, who resent the fact that a 6'5" football player with a great body and a handsome face has quote-unquote rich parents who bought him a Hummer for his birthday. Perhaps the kids at this school need to learn that life is not fair, that God does not distribute His gifts equally to everyone. Perhaps you are failing in your obligation to impart this message to your students."

    "Religious education is beside the point," Mr. Andretti said. "The bottom line is that Shelley Schneiderman wants your son to make a public apology to her son. I strongly recommend that you go along with this."

    "Your recommendation is noted," Mrs. Hartman said. "Now, tell me: What constitutes a public apology? Does she want us to film a 30-second commercial and buy prime-time slots on the major network affiliates? Should we hire a plane to fly over the downtown area waving a large banner? Put up some billboards on the interstate?"

    Frank Andretti cleared his throat.

    "My suggestion," he said, "which I have already discussed with Mrs. Schneiderman, is that the apology take place on tomorrow's morning announcements. Our video-production students put on a five-minute newscast at the end of the first period. Brad and Joshua would appear live. Mrs. Schneiderman would be present in the studio. You would be welcome to attend, if you wish."

    "I do *wish*."

    "So you find this proposal acceptable?"

    "*Barely* acceptable. I consider it a waste of time, and a personal insult. But I will agree to it."

    "Excellent," Mr. Andretti said. "Thank you for your understanding."

    "You're welcome," Mrs. Hartman said. "Now understand this: If I find any evidence that you are attempting to assist this woman or her son or anyone else in pursuing some kind of vendetta against my son or any other member of my family, I will see to it that you lose your job as principal, and that you never work in the education field ever again. Do you comprehend my meaning, Principal Andretti?"

    "Perfectly," Mr. Andretti said. "Shall I call Mrs. Schneiderman now?"

    "Fine."

    The principal picked up the phone and dialed the number. Within seconds, a woman with a heavy New York accent was on the line.

    "Schneiderman residence."

    "Mrs. Schneiderman, this is Principal Andretti. I have Mrs. Hartman here in my office. I've discussed my proposal with her, and she's agreed to it. Do you still want to go ahead with the apology tomorrow morning?"

    Shelley sighed, then spoke. "All right. Mrs. Hartman?"

    "I'm here," Mrs. Hartman said through gritted teeth.

    "If your son ever tries to bully my kid again, I'll sue you."

    Mrs. Hartman smiled, and raised her voice several octaves.

    "Mrs. Schneiderman, I am very, very sorry that my son behaved in such an unacceptable manner. He did not learn that behavior at home, I can assure you. And it will never, ever happen again. You have my personal guarantee. On behalf of my son, and myself, I offer you my deepest apologies."

    "I appreciate that," Mrs. Schneiderman said. "I'm sure Brad's apology will be acceptable. I'll see you in the morning." She disconnected the call.

    Principal Andretti sighed. He glanced over at Mrs. Hartman, and saw a strange smile frozen on her Faelid face.

    "That smug little bitch," she whispered. "She thinks she's won. But she's going to find out that you don't f**k with Mariette Hartman. This ain't my first time at the rodeo."

    For a split second, Frank Andretti had a vision of hordes of zombie SS men emerging from their graves to wreak havoc on the Schneidermans at the psychic direction of the tall, striking, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Mariette Hartman (nee Gruber), whose grandfather had died on the Russian front.

    "Well, Frank," Mrs. Hartman said, rising swiftly to her feet, "I guess I'll see you tomorrow morning."

    "I look forward to it," Mr. Andretti said, standing and striding quickly toward his door. He couldn't get her out of his office quickly enough.

    Mrs. Hartman lingered near the doorway.

    "You know, Frank, I think it's wonderful that you've been nominated for Principal of the Year."

    Frank Andretti froze. Her voice was pleasant - too pleasant.

    "I want you to know that you have my full support. And I'm certain that you're going to retain my full support until May, when the final choice will be made. I'm certain that nothing is going to happen between now and then that will cause me to reconsider my full support for your nomination."

    "I'm glad," he said.

    "I'm sure you are," she said.

    He managed a weak smile, and offered her his hand. She took it, and nearly crushed it with her superhuman grip.

    "Brad is going to have a great senior year here," she said. "Kevin is going to have a great freshman year. I'll be very busy with the PTA. You and I will be spending a lot of time together. We'll make good use of that time, no doubt."

    "I hope so," he said.

    "I know so," she said.

    "See you tomorrow, Mrs. Hartman."

    "See you tomorrow, Mr. Andretti."

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden

    Sounds great. I suggest a little twist. Mariette’s kid is the only true blond in the school blazing White blond. . The Jewish boys are creepy Woody Allen types. The blond kid is a peaceful polite soul. But the Jewish creeps are always bumping into him to set him up for an accusation of anti Semitic bullying.

  115. @That Would Be Telling
    @J1234



    Something else that’s reminiscent of Parkland from the article:
     
    On his way in, a school police officers confronted him but did not fire any shots or slow the boy’s advance, allowing him to enter a classroom armed with an AR-15 and barricade himself in.

     

    The Official story and timeline from the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) now is that he shot at a funeral home for twelve minutes before climbing a fence and entering the completely unguarded school. They've retracted the claim of him engaging a school resource officer.

    Based on a 911 call a couple of minutes after this started the first police would have arrived as I recall a couple of minutes after he entered the school. An hour later the Border Patrol team went in; there were lots of cops, some with long arms, who were doing nothing but maybe rescuing their own children and keeping the parents from charging in themselves since the police weren't.

    Replies: @J1234, @Alden

    Federal Marshalls, probably the most useless and affirmative action federal law enforcement agency were there too. They handcuffed mothers to prevent them getting into the school.

  116. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Why is the obviously bad policy, policy that has converted the public schools (and most universities) into psychosis producers, tolerated by the masses and promoted by the swamp?
     
    I have often asked myself the same question about the TSA. Why do freedom-loving Americans continue to put up with a group of people that treats everyone like criminals when Bin Laden has been dead and in his grave for more than a decade?

    My guess is that both the public schools and the TSA are first and foremost jobs programs. They are there to provide jobs for large numbers of people who are neither particularly bright nor talented. The semi-dim people become teachers and the absolutely hopeless ones go to work for the TSA.

    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates, or a TSA worker punished for failing a security audit (something the TSA fails more than 2/3 of the time)? If anyone in the private sector was this inept and inefficient, they would have gotten the chop long ago (Wall Street excepted, of course).

    I do not think it is matter of these organisations doing any good. It is that, after a time, people cannot imagine life without them, regardless of how ineffective (or outright counterproductive) they actually are.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates

    Yet another example of why anonymous commenting shouldn’t be allowed here. It’s risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @ScarletNumber


    It’s risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.
     
    In theory the public education system is designed to turn illiterate children into literate ones.

    Unfortunately our betters starting in 1930 with the first Dick and Jane and Their Running Dog Spot book put into action a scheme which would reliably fail those who don't easily pick it up on their own by dropping phonics. And mere teachers have only so much influence into what materials and methods they're allowed to use in the classroom.

    With your HBD mention I assume you mean children who can't be taught how to read, sometimes if not often coupled with classrooms where teachers don't have the tools to allow those who can the peace and quiet required. Jerry Pournelle reported that based on his wife's job where she successfully taught the hardest cases, incarcerated criminals although I think not all were yet convicted, that the former group is pretty small, although I assume the level at which the lower IQ can read is lower. But still something useful for a whole lot of them.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  117. @ScarletNumber
    @Anonymous


    When was the last time a teacher was penalised for producing illiterates
     
    Yet another example of why anonymous commenting shouldn't be allowed here. It's risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    It’s risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.

    In theory the public education system is designed to turn illiterate children into literate ones.

    Unfortunately our betters starting in 1930 with the first Dick and Jane and Their Running Dog Spot book put into action a scheme which would reliably fail those who don’t easily pick it up on their own by dropping phonics. And mere teachers have only so much influence into what materials and methods they’re allowed to use in the classroom.

    With your HBD mention I assume you mean children who can’t be taught how to read, sometimes if not often coupled with classrooms where teachers don’t have the tools to allow those who can the peace and quiet required. Jerry Pournelle reported that based on his wife’s job where she successfully taught the hardest cases, incarcerated criminals although I think not all were yet convicted, that the former group is pretty small, although I assume the level at which the lower IQ can read is lower. But still something useful for a whole lot of them.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @That Would Be Telling


    With your HBD mention I assume you mean children who can’t be taught how to read, sometimes if not often coupled with classrooms where teachers don’t have the tools to allow those who can the peace and quiet required
     
    B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name, oh!

    If teachers were allowed to separate the assholes out of the classroom and could teach the non-assholes in relative peace and quiet, the world would be a better place.
  118. @J.Ross
    @Stan Adams

    >principal is a &@^#%[email protected] white male
    JC voice: Okay.
    >whole mitteleuropa thing
    In midcentury, sure; now you honestly would benefit from some informed affirmative action. The closest you could come to a sane white male might be a conservative Hispanic.
    >principal of the year
    Isn't actually a thing. Go satirical and have the award coveted by educational administrators be some horrible ballless conformity gold star which would excite Joel Grey's character in Kafka.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    The story is a (dark) parody of the media portrayal of the Columbine massacre, set in the same general time period (late ’90s). The school is somewhere in flyover country. Most of the characters are loosely based on their real-life counterparts.

    The real-life principal at Columbine, who stayed on for many years after the massacre, was a short Italian guy:

    [MORE]

    His replacement, still in the position, is a tall bald white guy (!).

    In the late ’90s the school was a veritable whitopia:

    Brad is a composite of two real jocks. One of them, R., the captain of the wrestling team, had a ridiculously German surname and had a reputation for being the biggest jerk in the school. He ended up at Columbine after being kicked out of multiple private schools for fighting. His father was a wealthy contractor who gave his sons Hummers and Dodge Vipers as birthday gifts.

    He was accused of bullying a Jewish kid in gym class. Naturally, The Washington Post ran a long front-page story exposing the epidemic of dumb-jock anti-Semitism in the American heartland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/june99/columbine12.htm

    The other one was L., a popular football player who looked vaguely like Matt Damon. He appears around 1:23 in this clip:

    L. had a pretty Mexican girlfriend who claimed to have been despised by the popular white girls. (R., who did not like L., once shouted in the hallway that she had been passed around the football team. Ironically, R. later married a vaguely Asian-looking Mexican woman in real life.)

    Her mother disapproved of the relationship because she was a senior and he was a junior. L. later claimed that she was playing games with him – at times, she would tell him that she had to go along with her mother’s wishes, but then she would tell him that she loved him and wanted to be with him.

    There was an incident at her house. According to him, one evening, he returned from a weekend football camp and knocked on her window, only to discover that she was in bed with another guy. Naturally, he got upset. The police were called. She ended up getting a restraining order and denounced him to a local newspaper as a crazy stalker.

    The Schneidermans are based on a non-Jewish family whose older son B. was friends with the killers. B. and Dylan (who was half-Jewish) grew up in the area together and were good friends from elementary school onward. In high school, they were both tall, skinny “freak” kids with less-than-exemplary hygiene habits. B. was never especially close to Eric, but he tolerated him for Dylan’s sake.

    Eric never totally fit in with Dylan’s friends, largely because they had all grown up in the Denver area and he hadn’t (although his father had). Eric was an Air Force brat. His father retired when he learned that their base, the SAC facility in Plattsburgh, was on the chopping block.

    (Ironically, Eric’s older brother, was by all accounts the perfect son – a popular football player and a good student who grew up to become a physical therapist. His wife is quite attractive.)

    B. had a run-in with Eric after Eric threw a piece of ice at B.’s windshield. B.’s parents – especially his mother, who was something of a hysterical Karen type – freaked out. B.’s mother went to Eric’s father and tried to get him in trouble – more trouble than he was already in. (Eric and Dylan were already on probation for breaking into a van.) Eric’s father compelled his son to apologize, but B.’s mother said, flat-out, “I know you’re lying to me, Eric. Your apology is not genuine.”

    Then, a few weeks later, Dylan told B. that he needed to check out Eric’s Web site. B. discovered that Eric had posted death threats against B. and his family on the site. B.’s parents called the police to report the incident. Unconscionably, the police did not pursue the matter. (If they had, it is likely that they would have discovered that Eric was already hoarding weapons in his room, and the plans for the massacre might have been derailed.)

    For Dylan’s sake, B. reconciled with Eric in the months before the shooting. B. claims to have spoken to Eric just minutes before the shooting began. B. was walking through the parking lot at the beginning of lunch period when Eric pulled up in his car. Supposedly, Eric told him, “B., I like you now. Get out of here. Go home.” B. left the campus.

    He and his parents later gained a reputation as attention whores – they appeared on any television program that would have them. Both B. and his father have written books about the massacre.

    B. can be seen in this clip from a British documentary:

    At first, I named the would-be killers Stan and Kyle, but that was too obvious a steal from South Park – which, incidentally, is based in the Denver area. Even Kyle alone might be too obvious.

    In South Park, Kyle is Jewish. In real life, Dylan was half-Jewish, but I assigned the name Kyle to the Eric character.

    Paul is based on Dylan, a bone-thin 6’3″; Kyle is based on Eric, a skinny 5’9″. Despite his diminutive stature, Eric is often portrayed as the dominant personality.

    Dylan wrote love letters to various girls. He was what Heartiste could call a hopeless beta – placing the girls on pedestals.

    Ironically, he had a female platonic friend who really liked him, but he was not interested in her. She bought a couple of the weapons used in the massacre – she was 18 and the boys were still 17 – and got off essentially scot-free. (In contrast, one of their co-workers at the pizza parlor where they worked sold them one gun and ended up going to prison for several years.)

    In my story, there is a love triangle between Brad, Paul, and Brad’s girlfriend Susan, who is smart and pretty but secretly miserable. Susan hates Brad, but she comes from a poor family and she knows that marrying a kid from a wealthy background could make life a lot easier for her long-struggling parents. If nothing else, she enjoys the social prominence that comes from being the girlfriend of the most eligible guy in school, even if he is somewhat abusive.

    Brad has more depth than the typical dumb-jock character. He’s a genuinely smart guy who really doesn’t like playing football, even though he’s very good at it. He genuinely likes Susan, even though he sometimes takes his aggressions out on her. He’d like to quit sports altogether and pursue a musical career. But his domineering mother would never approve – she wants both of her sons to play in the NFL. (Kevin, several years younger, is an excellent athlete in his own right.) So he’s stuck playing the role of the swaggering Big Man on Campus and he plays it to the hilt.

    Susan learns that she is pregnant. She wants to get an abortion, but before she can do so Mrs. Hartman figures out what is happening and confronts her. To Susan’s shock, Mrs. Hartman offers to pay for the abortion – on condition that Susan break up with her son and leave town immediately. Mrs. Hartman promises Susan that she will use her leverage with the principal to get her a diploma and a recommendation to a top college.

    Susan’s mother also figures out that Susan is pregnant. She convinces Susan that she must go ahead and have the child, for the benefit of the family. Susan reluctantly agrees.

    One Friday night, Susan tells Brad that he is going to become a father. Overcome with emotion, he offers to elope. (They are both 18.) She accepts. Telling their parents that they are going to spend the weekend with friends at a nearby lake, they instead make a marathon round-trip drive to Las Vegas and return late on Sunday evening as a married couple.

    Mrs. Hartman does not take the news well (to put it mildly). But after some soul-searching she comes to accept that Susan, the soon-to-be mother of her soon-to-be grandson, is now her daughter-in-law. She hopes that the experience of becoming a father will force Brad to become more mature. She also rationalizes that it is better for her son to have a stable relationship as opposed to sleeping with God-knows-how-many groupies, although she is fully aware that a young man in his position will have plenty of opportunities to stray from the straight-and-arrow.

    Susan begins looking for a way to get rid of Brad while getting his money.

    Susan finds Paul and Kyle’s notebook and figures out what they’re planning to do. She discovers that Paul has a major crush on her, that he has written her numerous love letters but has never worked up the nerve to send any of them. She begins encouraging his affections, sneaking off with him to have secret liaisons. She doesn’t really like him, but she wants Brad dead.

    Kyle secretly resents the attention that Paul is receiving from Susan. As time goes on, his resentment reaches a boiling point.

    In my story, the would-be killers do not succeed. When their bombs do not go off, they fire a few shots, hitting no one but sparking a massive stampede. All hell breaks loose as one of their bullets sets off the fire alarms and the sprinkler system.

    Brad and Paula are trapped in the audio/visual room in the library, where they have been taping a segment for the morning TV program about having been named the first married Homecoming King and Queen in school history.

    Paul and Kyle burst into the library. Brad rushes out of the audio/visual room into the main reading area and tackles Paul to the floor. In the process, Kyle is knocked to the ground, as well, and loses his grip on his rifle. Brad tries to grab the rifle, only to find that Kyle has pulled a shotgun out of his pocket and is aiming it squarely at Brad’s head. Kyle flashes a cheshire grin as the arrogant jock quivers in fear, knowing that the little geek holds all the cards.

    “Quite an experience to live in fear, isn’t it?” Kyle asks, quoting Ray Beatty in Blade Runner. “That’s what it is to be a slave. I have lived as a slave for all these miserable years, always the skinny little runt at the bottom of the totem pole, always forced to take the abuse dished out by worthless assholes like you. But now we find that our roles have been reversed. You are the slave; I am the master. And the master says … time to die.”

    Brad closes his eyes. A shot is fired.

    Brad opens his eyes to see that Kyle is dead, blood gushing from his head. He looks over to the doorway to see his mother brandishing a pistol. Then he realizes that Paul is not in the reading room. He looks over at the door to the audio/visual room and sees that it is closed, even though he left it open.

    “Get out of here, Brad,” his mother says.

    Brad obeys without comment.

    In the audio/visual room, Paul is having one final conversation with Susan.

    “Why didn’t you run away?” Susan asks. “You might have been able to escape.”

    “I had to make sure you were all right,” Paul says. “I had to know you were safe.”

    “Why?” she asks.

    “Because I love you,” he says, barely holding back tears.

    “I don’t love you,” she replies.

    “I know,” he says sadly. “But it doesn’t change anything. I love you, Susan, and I’ll never stop loving you.”

    Mrs. Hartman begins pounding on the door. “Susan! Are you in there? It’s me! Open up!”

    Paul kisses Susan’s hand tenderly, then takes a step back.

    “Remember me,” he says. Then he aims his gun at his head and blows his brains out.

    In the haze and confusion that follow, Susan is deaf from the roar of the gunshot and almost blind. She has a vague impression of someone ramming down the door. Cops and paramedics are swarming all over her. Eventually she realizes that Mrs. Hartman is leading her outside. Finally she finds that she is standing next to Brad’s car, and that he is embracing her.

    “It’s a sign,” he tells her. “It’s a sign from God. We’re meant to be together.”

    Overcome with emotion, he slumps down next to his car and breaks into tears. She leans down and comforts him half-heartedly.

    Mrs. Hartman puts a hand on her shoulder. She is still holding the pistol. Susan can see that it is loaded.

    “Survival is a privilege,” the towering blonde tells her petite daughter-in-law. “We have to earn it every second of every minute of every day. And when we stop earning it … we die.”

    She gives Susan a severe look, then walks off.

    Susan looks over at the entrance to the school. Paul and Kyle’s bodies are being removed. Then she sits down next to her husband, and places her head on his shoulder. He clutches her like a security blanket.

    “This is it,” he says. “I’m never letting go of you ever again. We’re together forever.”

    “Together forever,” she repeats. “Together forever.”

    “Together forever,” he says, and kisses her softly.

    She sighs. Her eyes are completely dry.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    A couple of random notes:



    Brad's father devotes all of his time to his business. He has little time for his wife or his children. (They also have a daughter, who is away at college.)

    I was debating what to do with the Joshua Schneiderman character, so finally I came up with the following: he is a student in the video-production class that puts on the morning announcements. Joshua's father is a library technician at the school and has keys to the audio/visual room. Joshua is able to make secret copies of his father's keys.

    Joshua is partially based on a weird kid I knew in high school. He had frizzy hair and always wore a big "I Love Publix" button on his black T-shirt. (Publix is the predominant supermarket chain in the Miami area.) This kid was Jewish and his father was, indeed, a library technician who worked at the school. A Jewish library technician working for a public-school district - imagine that.

    Paul gets wind of Kyle's jealousy over his relationship with Susan. He insists that the massacre take place on the day when Brad and Susan will be taping the news segment in the library. He hopes that this location will offer her some degree of protection from the bombs and bullets.

    Paul does not trust Kyle not to go after Susan. He makes a secret deal with Joshua that, when the massacre begins, Joshua will lock her in the safety of the audio/visual room. (The door can be unlocked from either the outside or the inside; from the outside, one must use a key.) Paul is aware that this will also spare Brad, whom he loathes, but his love for Susan overrides his hatred of Brad.

    Paul does not realize that Joshua also has a crush on Susan and that he, too, is deeply resentful of Susan's relationship with Paul. Joshua and Kyle decide that, to punish Paul and Susan for their affair, Joshua will merely pretend to lock the door to the audio/visual room, allowing Kyle to burst in and kill her along with Brad. Kyle also vows to kill Paul for his unforgivable betrayal - i.e., his ability to get laid.

    During the massacre, Paul realizes that Kyle is heading toward the library. He attempts to shoot Kyle (while pretending that he is aiming at someone else) but instead hits a transformer, activating the fire alarm and the sprinkler system.

    When Paul and Kyle enter the main reading room of the library, Paul sees Joshua escaping via the fire exit, and he sees that the door to the audio/visual room is unlocked. He realizes that Joshua and Kyle have betrayed him. Then Brad unexpectedly opens the door and bursts out, tackling Paul and Kyle to the ground. While Kyle and Brad are struggling for Kyle's rifle, Paul leaps to his feet, dashes into the audio/visual room, and closes and locks the door. He rushes over to Susan and embraces her.

    When he hears the lone gunshot coming from the reading room, he assumes that Kyle has murdered Brad; but then he hears Mrs. Hartman speaking to her son and realizes that it is Kyle who has been killed. He knows his end is near.

    The rest of the scene plays as described earlier.

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    Austin, TX has some prosperous businesses and wealthy people, as well as is growing fast, and is a long way from any other major league city other than San Antonio (one team), so it likely will get a major league franchise at some point.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I tend to agree with the others that Austin considers the Longhorns to its major league team, and Texas (the state) has plenty of options for those who prefer professional sports. San Antonio only got into the NBA through the backdoor; I don’t know if they would have intentionally expanded there, especially considering Dallas didn’t get a team until 1980.

    I consider Austin to be similar to Columbus, where State U is the dominating force in town. I know Columbus has the Blue Jackets, but I think they were trying to have a toe-hold in both Cleveland and Cincinnati. Therefore, I don’t see Austin getting a professional team any time soon.

  120. @That Would Be Telling
    @ScarletNumber


    It’s risible that on an HBD blog of all places you blame the teachers because children are illiterate.
     
    In theory the public education system is designed to turn illiterate children into literate ones.

    Unfortunately our betters starting in 1930 with the first Dick and Jane and Their Running Dog Spot book put into action a scheme which would reliably fail those who don't easily pick it up on their own by dropping phonics. And mere teachers have only so much influence into what materials and methods they're allowed to use in the classroom.

    With your HBD mention I assume you mean children who can't be taught how to read, sometimes if not often coupled with classrooms where teachers don't have the tools to allow those who can the peace and quiet required. Jerry Pournelle reported that based on his wife's job where she successfully taught the hardest cases, incarcerated criminals although I think not all were yet convicted, that the former group is pretty small, although I assume the level at which the lower IQ can read is lower. But still something useful for a whole lot of them.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    With your HBD mention I assume you mean children who can’t be taught how to read, sometimes if not often coupled with classrooms where teachers don’t have the tools to allow those who can the peace and quiet required

    B-I-N-G-O and Bingo was his name, oh!

    If teachers were allowed to separate the assholes out of the classroom and could teach the non-assholes in relative peace and quiet, the world would be a better place.

  121. @Steve Sailer
    @AnotherDad

    Los Angeles had no NFL team for 20 years from 1995 on, so USC boosters stepped up and made USC the #1 college football program (until Texas beat them in a memorable Rose Bowl game). But then USC got caught and sanctioned. So now the NFL is back with two teams.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    It’s funny how even when the Rams were very good during their first tenure in LA, they could never win the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, during the same 14-year stretch, USC won 2 undisputed national championships (67 72) and two UPI titles (74 78), as well as 10 AAWU/Pac8/Pac10 championships. Coincidentally, one of those missing Pac8 titles was won by Dick Vermeil and UCLA, who also played at the Coliseum.

  122. @Alden
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The UK idea of most kids going to work at trainee level jobs at 15 or 16 was great back in the 1940s when England was still a manufacturing power with plenty of trainee level jobs for 16 year old boys. And plenty of clerical service typing and other jobs for the girls.

    But that was more than 70 years ago.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    Repeat 70 years ago.

    Manufacturing left the UK decades ago. Customer service has moved to India or is all online. Computers eliminated the need for many office workers. Massive immigration from former British colonies and racial preferences in hiring them vastly increased the work force. Which makes it much harder for each individual to get a job.

    TIMES HAVE CHANGED

    The system you cited was created 70 years ago when there were plenty of trainee jobs for 15 16 year olds.

    Now, in 2022, not 1942 or 1952 there are no trainee level jobs nor apprenticeship system in the UK

    According to my English relatives. And the UK government. There are plenty of job training schemes but they don’t lead to jobs.

    What happens to most of the kids who finish school at 16 is they go on benefit and stay there.

    An English relative did leave school at 16. He’s done very well. Owns a business designing and making special bespoke furniture. His parents paid thousands of pounds and his training took 6 years including a year in Germany and a year in Italy.

    What 16 year old from the former working class now the lifelong benefit class has parents who can pay thousands of pounds for a 6 year apprenticeship?

    Sometimes this site reminds me of Rip Van Winkle. A Rip Van Winkle who didn’t realize times changed since he went to sleep.

    “ Get a STEM degree and get a good job” Hasn’t been true since the 1970s. . Because in the early 1980s the industry began laying off Whites and hiring foreign non Whites.

    It’s not just the nasty comments about White women that bother me about the MEN OF UNZ. It’s the fact that so many think it’s 1972 not 2022. Even the MEN OF UNZ who weren’t even born in 1972.

    Except for a few specialized industries there are no apprenticeships in America or the UK. Germany still has excellent apprenticeship programs leading to good jobs. So does Israel

    But America and the UK don’t.

    Steve’s thread about Salvador Ramos being influenced by news coverage of the Buffalo shooting is a perfect example of old men assuming that someone who turned 18 a few weeks ago has ever read a newspaper in his life. Or watched TV news Or watches TV at all.

    They don’t White black Hispanic rich poor in between teens and young adults don’t read newspapers or watch TV news programs.

    The ignorance about kids teens household management is another reason I don’t believe most of the MEN OF UNZ aren’t never have been married and don’t have kids.

    All this assuming just turned 18 Ramos reads newspapers and watches TV news indicates total ignorance of teens in 2022.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Steve’s thread about Salvador Ramos being influenced by news coverage of the Buffalo shooting is a perfect example of old men assuming that someone who turned 18 a few weeks ago has ever read a newspaper in his life. Or watched TV news Or watches TV at all.”

    There’s no linkage between what a teen sees on social media and what the news industry is talking about? Especially a teen who is already interested in mass shootings?

  123. @Stan Adams
    @J.Ross

    The story is a (dark) parody of the media portrayal of the Columbine massacre, set in the same general time period (late '90s). The school is somewhere in flyover country. Most of the characters are loosely based on their real-life counterparts.

    The real-life principal at Columbine, who stayed on for many years after the massacre, was a short Italian guy:



    https://i.ibb.co/QYxZBJv/frank-deangelis.jpg

    His replacement, still in the position, is a tall bald white guy (!).

    In the late '90s the school was a veritable whitopia:

    https://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/18/88/87/60/yadbgu10.jpg

    Brad is a composite of two real jocks. One of them, R., the captain of the wrestling team, had a ridiculously German surname and had a reputation for being the biggest jerk in the school. He ended up at Columbine after being kicked out of multiple private schools for fighting. His father was a wealthy contractor who gave his sons Hummers and Dodge Vipers as birthday gifts.

    He was accused of bullying a Jewish kid in gym class. Naturally, The Washington Post ran a long front-page story exposing the epidemic of dumb-jock anti-Semitism in the American heartland:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/june99/columbine12.htm

    The other one was L., a popular football player who looked vaguely like Matt Damon. He appears around 1:23 in this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2tWeckSvuY

    L. had a pretty Mexican girlfriend who claimed to have been despised by the popular white girls. (R., who did not like L., once shouted in the hallway that she had been passed around the football team. Ironically, R. later married a vaguely Asian-looking Mexican woman in real life.)

    Her mother disapproved of the relationship because she was a senior and he was a junior. L. later claimed that she was playing games with him - at times, she would tell him that she had to go along with her mother's wishes, but then she would tell him that she loved him and wanted to be with him.

    There was an incident at her house. According to him, one evening, he returned from a weekend football camp and knocked on her window, only to discover that she was in bed with another guy. Naturally, he got upset. The police were called. She ended up getting a restraining order and denounced him to a local newspaper as a crazy stalker.

    The Schneidermans are based on a non-Jewish family whose older son B. was friends with the killers. B. and Dylan (who was half-Jewish) grew up in the area together and were good friends from elementary school onward. In high school, they were both tall, skinny "freak" kids with less-than-exemplary hygiene habits. B. was never especially close to Eric, but he tolerated him for Dylan's sake.

    Eric never totally fit in with Dylan's friends, largely because they had all grown up in the Denver area and he hadn't (although his father had). Eric was an Air Force brat. His father retired when he learned that their base, the SAC facility in Plattsburgh, was on the chopping block.

    (Ironically, Eric's older brother, was by all accounts the perfect son - a popular football player and a good student who grew up to become a physical therapist. His wife is quite attractive.)

    B. had a run-in with Eric after Eric threw a piece of ice at B.'s windshield. B.'s parents - especially his mother, who was something of a hysterical Karen type - freaked out. B.'s mother went to Eric's father and tried to get him in trouble - more trouble than he was already in. (Eric and Dylan were already on probation for breaking into a van.) Eric's father compelled his son to apologize, but B.'s mother said, flat-out, "I know you're lying to me, Eric. Your apology is not genuine."

    Then, a few weeks later, Dylan told B. that he needed to check out Eric's Web site. B. discovered that Eric had posted death threats against B. and his family on the site. B.'s parents called the police to report the incident. Unconscionably, the police did not pursue the matter. (If they had, it is likely that they would have discovered that Eric was already hoarding weapons in his room, and the plans for the massacre might have been derailed.)

    For Dylan's sake, B. reconciled with Eric in the months before the shooting. B. claims to have spoken to Eric just minutes before the shooting began. B. was walking through the parking lot at the beginning of lunch period when Eric pulled up in his car. Supposedly, Eric told him, "B., I like you now. Get out of here. Go home." B. left the campus.

    He and his parents later gained a reputation as attention whores - they appeared on any television program that would have them. Both B. and his father have written books about the massacre.

    B. can be seen in this clip from a British documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvquFYMMOrg

    At first, I named the would-be killers Stan and Kyle, but that was too obvious a steal from South Park - which, incidentally, is based in the Denver area. Even Kyle alone might be too obvious.

    In South Park, Kyle is Jewish. In real life, Dylan was half-Jewish, but I assigned the name Kyle to the Eric character.

    Paul is based on Dylan, a bone-thin 6'3"; Kyle is based on Eric, a skinny 5'9". Despite his diminutive stature, Eric is often portrayed as the dominant personality.

    Dylan wrote love letters to various girls. He was what Heartiste could call a hopeless beta - placing the girls on pedestals.

    Ironically, he had a female platonic friend who really liked him, but he was not interested in her. She bought a couple of the weapons used in the massacre - she was 18 and the boys were still 17 - and got off essentially scot-free. (In contrast, one of their co-workers at the pizza parlor where they worked sold them one gun and ended up going to prison for several years.)

    In my story, there is a love triangle between Brad, Paul, and Brad's girlfriend Susan, who is smart and pretty but secretly miserable. Susan hates Brad, but she comes from a poor family and she knows that marrying a kid from a wealthy background could make life a lot easier for her long-struggling parents. If nothing else, she enjoys the social prominence that comes from being the girlfriend of the most eligible guy in school, even if he is somewhat abusive.

    Brad has more depth than the typical dumb-jock character. He's a genuinely smart guy who really doesn't like playing football, even though he's very good at it. He genuinely likes Susan, even though he sometimes takes his aggressions out on her. He'd like to quit sports altogether and pursue a musical career. But his domineering mother would never approve - she wants both of her sons to play in the NFL. (Kevin, several years younger, is an excellent athlete in his own right.) So he's stuck playing the role of the swaggering Big Man on Campus and he plays it to the hilt.

    Susan learns that she is pregnant. She wants to get an abortion, but before she can do so Mrs. Hartman figures out what is happening and confronts her. To Susan's shock, Mrs. Hartman offers to pay for the abortion - on condition that Susan break up with her son and leave town immediately. Mrs. Hartman promises Susan that she will use her leverage with the principal to get her a diploma and a recommendation to a top college.

    Susan's mother also figures out that Susan is pregnant. She convinces Susan that she must go ahead and have the child, for the benefit of the family. Susan reluctantly agrees.

    One Friday night, Susan tells Brad that he is going to become a father. Overcome with emotion, he offers to elope. (They are both 18.) She accepts. Telling their parents that they are going to spend the weekend with friends at a nearby lake, they instead make a marathon round-trip drive to Las Vegas and return late on Sunday evening as a married couple.

    Mrs. Hartman does not take the news well (to put it mildly). But after some soul-searching she comes to accept that Susan, the soon-to-be mother of her soon-to-be grandson, is now her daughter-in-law. She hopes that the experience of becoming a father will force Brad to become more mature. She also rationalizes that it is better for her son to have a stable relationship as opposed to sleeping with God-knows-how-many groupies, although she is fully aware that a young man in his position will have plenty of opportunities to stray from the straight-and-arrow.

    Susan begins looking for a way to get rid of Brad while getting his money.

    Susan finds Paul and Kyle's notebook and figures out what they're planning to do. She discovers that Paul has a major crush on her, that he has written her numerous love letters but has never worked up the nerve to send any of them. She begins encouraging his affections, sneaking off with him to have secret liaisons. She doesn't really like him, but she wants Brad dead.

    Kyle secretly resents the attention that Paul is receiving from Susan. As time goes on, his resentment reaches a boiling point.

    In my story, the would-be killers do not succeed. When their bombs do not go off, they fire a few shots, hitting no one but sparking a massive stampede. All hell breaks loose as one of their bullets sets off the fire alarms and the sprinkler system.

    Brad and Paula are trapped in the audio/visual room in the library, where they have been taping a segment for the morning TV program about having been named the first married Homecoming King and Queen in school history.

    Paul and Kyle burst into the library. Brad rushes out of the audio/visual room into the main reading area and tackles Paul to the floor. In the process, Kyle is knocked to the ground, as well, and loses his grip on his rifle. Brad tries to grab the rifle, only to find that Kyle has pulled a shotgun out of his pocket and is aiming it squarely at Brad's head. Kyle flashes a cheshire grin as the arrogant jock quivers in fear, knowing that the little geek holds all the cards.

    "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?" Kyle asks, quoting Ray Beatty in Blade Runner. "That's what it is to be a slave. I have lived as a slave for all these miserable years, always the skinny little runt at the bottom of the totem pole, always forced to take the abuse dished out by worthless assholes like you. But now we find that our roles have been reversed. You are the slave; I am the master. And the master says ... time to die."

    Brad closes his eyes. A shot is fired.

    Brad opens his eyes to see that Kyle is dead, blood gushing from his head. He looks over to the doorway to see his mother brandishing a pistol. Then he realizes that Paul is not in the reading room. He looks over at the door to the audio/visual room and sees that it is closed, even though he left it open.

    "Get out of here, Brad," his mother says.

    Brad obeys without comment.

    In the audio/visual room, Paul is having one final conversation with Susan.

    "Why didn't you run away?" Susan asks. "You might have been able to escape."

    "I had to make sure you were all right," Paul says. "I had to know you were safe."

    "Why?" she asks.

    "Because I love you," he says, barely holding back tears.

    "I don't love you," she replies.

    "I know," he says sadly. "But it doesn't change anything. I love you, Susan, and I'll never stop loving you."

    Mrs. Hartman begins pounding on the door. "Susan! Are you in there? It's me! Open up!"

    Paul kisses Susan's hand tenderly, then takes a step back.

    "Remember me," he says. Then he aims his gun at his head and blows his brains out.

    In the haze and confusion that follow, Susan is deaf from the roar of the gunshot and almost blind. She has a vague impression of someone ramming down the door. Cops and paramedics are swarming all over her. Eventually she realizes that Mrs. Hartman is leading her outside. Finally she finds that she is standing next to Brad's car, and that he is embracing her.

    "It's a sign," he tells her. "It's a sign from God. We're meant to be together."

    Overcome with emotion, he slumps down next to his car and breaks into tears. She leans down and comforts him half-heartedly.

    Mrs. Hartman puts a hand on her shoulder. She is still holding the pistol. Susan can see that it is loaded.

    "Survival is a privilege," the towering blonde tells her petite daughter-in-law. "We have to earn it every second of every minute of every day. And when we stop earning it ... we die."

    She gives Susan a severe look, then walks off.

    Susan looks over at the entrance to the school. Paul and Kyle's bodies are being removed. Then she sits down next to her husband, and places her head on his shoulder. He clutches her like a security blanket.

    "This is it," he says. "I'm never letting go of you ever again. We're together forever."

    "Together forever," she repeats. "Together forever."

    "Together forever," he says, and kisses her softly.

    She sighs. Her eyes are completely dry.

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    A couple of random notes:

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    Brad’s father devotes all of his time to his business. He has little time for his wife or his children. (They also have a daughter, who is away at college.)

    I was debating what to do with the Joshua Schneiderman character, so finally I came up with the following: he is a student in the video-production class that puts on the morning announcements. Joshua’s father is a library technician at the school and has keys to the audio/visual room. Joshua is able to make secret copies of his father’s keys.

    Joshua is partially based on a weird kid I knew in high school. He had frizzy hair and always wore a big “I Love Publix” button on his black T-shirt. (Publix is the predominant supermarket chain in the Miami area.) This kid was Jewish and his father was, indeed, a library technician who worked at the school. A Jewish library technician working for a public-school district – imagine that.

    Paul gets wind of Kyle’s jealousy over his relationship with Susan. He insists that the massacre take place on the day when Brad and Susan will be taping the news segment in the library. He hopes that this location will offer her some degree of protection from the bombs and bullets.

    Paul does not trust Kyle not to go after Susan. He makes a secret deal with Joshua that, when the massacre begins, Joshua will lock her in the safety of the audio/visual room. (The door can be unlocked from either the outside or the inside; from the outside, one must use a key.) Paul is aware that this will also spare Brad, whom he loathes, but his love for Susan overrides his hatred of Brad.

    Paul does not realize that Joshua also has a crush on Susan and that he, too, is deeply resentful of Susan’s relationship with Paul. Joshua and Kyle decide that, to punish Paul and Susan for their affair, Joshua will merely pretend to lock the door to the audio/visual room, allowing Kyle to burst in and kill her along with Brad. Kyle also vows to kill Paul for his unforgivable betrayal – i.e., his ability to get laid.

    During the massacre, Paul realizes that Kyle is heading toward the library. He attempts to shoot Kyle (while pretending that he is aiming at someone else) but instead hits a transformer, activating the fire alarm and the sprinkler system.

    When Paul and Kyle enter the main reading room of the library, Paul sees Joshua escaping via the fire exit, and he sees that the door to the audio/visual room is unlocked. He realizes that Joshua and Kyle have betrayed him. Then Brad unexpectedly opens the door and bursts out, tackling Paul and Kyle to the ground. While Kyle and Brad are struggling for Kyle’s rifle, Paul leaps to his feet, dashes into the audio/visual room, and closes and locks the door. He rushes over to Susan and embraces her.

    When he hears the lone gunshot coming from the reading room, he assumes that Kyle has murdered Brad; but then he hears Mrs. Hartman speaking to her son and realizes that it is Kyle who has been killed. He knows his end is near.

    The rest of the scene plays as described earlier.

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