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This graph of male homicide rates, in which the top 3 lines are for blacks and the bottom 3 for whites (which includes a lot of Hispanics), vividly shows the impact of the arrival of crack cocaine in the late 1980s. Note, however, that the upper green line — the homicide rate among black men in the age >24 category — generally declined during the Crack Wars.

So, it’s worth considering a second factor:

Gangsta rap, which emerged in 1988 with NWA’s “Straight Outta Compton” album, coincided with a sharp rise in the homicide rate among black males 14-24, but not in blacks over 24.

Perhaps black men over 24 just didn’t like the latest music?

And why would it be implausible that youths were susceptible to the messages in catchy rhythmic raps about how to be a man they need to murder their rivals?

 
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  1. rufus says:

    … so its racis if I liked NWA ?

    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
  2. For what it’s worth, rap didn’t become big in the NBA until Shaq’s generation.

  3. Daniel H says:

    >>And why would it be implausible that youths were susceptible to the messages in catchy rhythmic raps about how to be a man they need to murder their rivals?

    “Because I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die…”

    “And I turned 21 in prison, doing life without parole…mama tried, mama tried”

  4. Directly, sure. And also indirectly. The spread of LA-style street gangs to other major cities began a little bit earlier, and gangsta rap probably helped convince kids that it was cool to be in an LA-style gang. Things kind of spiral from there.

    • Replies: @anon
  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    You are confused. Clearly white boys who play shoot ‘em up video games are being programmed to shoot up their schools. That’s why we have millions of video game enthusiasts and, equally, millions of school shooters. However, blacks who receive messages (say, the Pharoah Monche song Rape, which uses rape as ametaphor to describe his mastery of the rap art, or the speech Eldridge Cleaver got as a boy from a neighbor on how to handle bitches) are not influenced in any way, because that would be “learning.”
    No, wait a minute …

  6. Altai says:

    OT:
    The 2018 Golden Globe nominations are in and Variety isn’t pleased.

    https://variety.com/2018/tv/columns/golden-globes-2019-tv-nominations-diversity-1203082529/

    Checking in on the 2019 Golden Globe nominations, it was hard not to raise an eyebrow at some of the more monochromatic categories in TV. Especially given how the movie noms shook out — the best drama category including “Black Panther,” “BlackKklansman,” and “If Beale Street Could Talk” is great and frankly astonishing — the relative lack of diversity on the TV end is stark, to say the least.

    As they alluded, 3 of the 5 nominees for best drama are ‘black’ films. (I suppose one could call Black Panther a drama, but it’s really more of an action movie) There does seem to be a bit of an Anglo resurgence in the nominees elsewhere but many of those actors are foreigners. (I guess they don’t count)

    Overall it’s an interesting dry run for what the Oscars will look like. To put Black Panther up for best picture is just crazy and without precedent. The aborted attempt to create a category for Black Panther to win was quashed, now it will have to be best picture or nothing. I find it interesting because there is just no way around the overhype around Black Panther. It’s just cringey to watch all these Hollywood types patronise black people like this.

  7. Pat Boyle says:

    I just read a book on violence by a prominent criminologist that claimed that the big spike in violence in the nineties was the result of tetra ethyl lead in the gasoline and that the epidemic ended when we mandated no more lead in the fuel. But that theory doesn’t seem to account for the lower violence among older whites and blacks if I read the graph right.

    I stopped believing anything said by a sociologist years ago. I guess I’ll add criminology to that list.

  8. Gangsta Rap started in the 80s though.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolly_D

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-T

    NWA merely (((popularised))) the style:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Heller

    Here’s my theory: maybe the Reagan administration shouldn’t have pumped quite so much cocaine into the country.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Alliance

    • Replies: @anon
  9. It’s not implausible.

    The arrival of the Beatles in 1964 inspired quite a few young men to try the mop top hairstyle.

    The Saturday Night Fever soundtrack inspired even more young men to purchase butterfly collars and bell bottoms.

    Rick James well, moving on…

    Madonna and Pat Benatar inspired lots of young women to wear ripped, neon colored tank tops.

    Public Enemy, Ice T, and NWA inspired young blacks to murder each other.

    Conclusion: Music inspires people to do things. That by itself proves race isn’t real.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @njguy73
  10. @Altai

    Spike Lee’s “BlacKkKlansman” — now that’s some fine moviemaking!

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  11. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    PC is hilarious

  12. Clyde says:

    The riddle for me is why do white people buy this gawd awful rap music. They say that CD sales don’t bring in much money, that the real money comes from live performances. I see a so called rap artiste mentioned…. I look up his net worth and this nobody (to me) is swimming in millions of dollars and usually more than ten million. These maggots are getting rich. And via live performances? I don’t get how the math adds up.

    Colin Kaepernick Nike payoff
    Posted on September 4, 2018 by Jason John
    How Much Is Colin Kaepernick’s Nike Contract?

    Colin Kaepernick’s Nike contract is worth about $5 million per year. Although Donald Trump would love for NFL team owners to order players who take a knee off the field, Nike is supporting the protest.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Autochthon
  13. @Daniel H

    I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die…

    And I turned 21 in prison, doing life without parole…mama tried, mama tried

    You’ll note that both of those tunes are narrated from prison.

    The narrators of NWA and Geto Boys songs rarely mention the consequences of their murderous actions.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  14. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    In relative terms, the increase in the 14-17 white murder rate is fairly startling as well.

    Very likely that the 24 year old black cohort in the graph is the last one to be raised by semi-functional, nuclear non-Boomer parents. The giant upswing in family dissolution began in the 1970′s, two decades prior.

    There were so many vices resulting from the boomers, it’s likely impossible to untangle causation.

  15. @Daniel H

    And why would it be implausible that youths were susceptible to the messages in catchy rhythmic raps about how to be a man they need to murder their rivals?

    “Because I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die…”

    “And I turned 21 in prison, doing life without parole…mama tried, mama tried”

    The kind of youths who listened to Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard were different in obvious ways from the kind of youths who listened to gansta rap.

  16. ziel says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Right – these songs were explicitly exhorting their listeners NOT to pursue the criminal path.

    Though I have to say the prisoners cheering and whooping it up when Johnny sings that line from Folsom Prison Blues has to be one of the more disconcerting moments in Pop music lore.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @fish
  17. anonymous[663] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    because boomer rats gave us NO cultural expressions of white masculinity in the 90s–zero, none, zilch.

    Popular sitcoms about neutered “fathers” getting hassled by their morally and intellectually superior wives.

    white music just about being a whiny, self-loathing dork.

    young men want something besides castration.

  18. GSH says:

    I think a simpler interpretation is that the gangs preferred to use young men in their teens and early twenties as foot soldiers. Soldiers have always come from that age group. Older men tend to settle down and get jobs/wives/children, which disinclines them from very dangerous activities.

    Now, maybe gangsta rap attracted more youths to the gangs in the first place. Or maybe gangsta rap was the equivalent of “Uncle Sam Needs You” propaganda during WWII. The crack war came first, and soldiers were needed to fight it.

    My guess is that if you looked at WWI or WWII time periods and excluded civilian deaths (maybe use USA/Canada instead of Europe), you’d see very similar graphs, maybe shifted forward a couple years, since you had to be 18 to enlist or be drafted.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  19. A couple of anecdotes. A poker buddy of mine (vegas card rooms) ,a black guy with four kids probably approaching fifty himself told me he won’t allow rap music in his house. Now all he seems to listen to on his headphones is rap so I asked him why the home policy?
    He tells me he comes from a middle class home in Los Angeles with dad in construction and stay at home mom.But him and his 2 brothers are cruising with a sawed off shotgun in the trunk because they think it’s cool.
    Now as a white guy from a boston neighborhood where fist fights were common I specifically remember nwa amping things up more for the type of guys who were already pretty amped up.
    While I guiltily enjoy a certain amount of pre mumble rap (rakim ) I believe thug themed hip hop has been disastrous for American kids particularly the ones who don’t take it as a goof.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
    , @anon
  20. Gangsta rap =

    Ragtag naps.
    A gang’s trap.
    Grasp a gnat.

    Gap gas rant.

  21. fish says:
    @ziel

    Krusty:

    I slugged some jerk in Tahoe,

    They gave me one to three.

    My high-priced lawyer sprung me

    On a technicality.

    I’m just visitin’ Springfield Prison,

    I get to sleep at home tonight.

    Hey, hey, I kid! I kid ’cause I love! I tell ya, the best folk in the world are prison folk!

  22. @Daniel Williams

    The narrators of NWA and Geto Boys songs rarely mention the consequences of their murderous actions.

    “The only thing that rock & roll did not get from country and blues was a sense of consequences,” the writer Bill Flanagan said to Neil Young in 1986.”

    ― Greil Marcus, History of Rock ‘n’ Roll in Ten Songs

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  23. JimB says:

    George H.W. Bush claims he came up with the phrase “You Da Man!” So he must be responsible for rap and therefore, according the Sailer, the Great Black Death of the 90s.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @anon
  24. ATBOTL says:
    @Anonymous

    My guess is that is driven by Hispanics being counted as white here.

    Hispanic gang killings were at epidemic levels in SW states during that era. Cities like Denver, Albuquerque, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Fresno, Modesto during that time were crawling with young first generation Mexican ghetto kids doing drive by’s on each other.

    • Replies: @Anon
  25. @JimB

    And a lot of obnoxious golf fans.

  26. @MikeatMikedotMike

    How many souls did “Amazing Grace” save?

    How many times do little girls have to see The Nutcracker to want to do ballet?

    How many guys started Karate because of Bruce Lee?

    How many people took up smoking because of Bogie and Bacall, even into the 70′s and 80′s!

    Music, movies, TV, it has a big influence on what’s cool. And teenagers want to be cool more then they want to breathe.

  27. “The only thing that rock & roll did not get from country and blues was a sense of consequences,” the writer Bill Flanagan said to Neil Young in 1986.”

    ― Greil Marcus, History of Rock ‘n’ Roll in Ten Songs

    Mike Ness of the cowpunk band Social Distortion knew the consequences. He was heavily influenced by Johnny Cash.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  28. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    The 1990′s was also a period where ((( Hollywood ))) perfected the business model of marketing highly corrosive afternoon entertainment and music to gentile latchkey kids. Surprising this is so rarely discussed now, since it is so obvious in hindsight.

    In 1995, Pulp Fiction won best picture at the MTV movie awards. Guessing the average viewer was 14 years old or so.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Blodgie
  29. njguy73 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    And don’t forget the grunge era. Yes, I did wear flannel and Doc Martens. And yes, Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots are on my Spotify playlist.

  30. Arclight says:

    I am sure it did – anyone who lives in a large city regularly sees young blacks with headphones on emphatically rapping while waiting for a bus, walking around, etc. They are totally caught up in the story being told and, being young and dumb are more likely to act it out without much forethought about what might actually happen. Like it or not, rap is hugely influential.

  31. @anonymous

    Popular sitcoms about neutered “fathers” getting hassled by their morally and intellectually superior wives.

    That’s been around since the beginning of television.

    because boomer rats gave us NO cultural expressions of white masculinity in the 90s–zero, none, zilch.

    So make some of your own. Or dig up some old ones– there are plenty in the public domain.

    Kwitcherbellyachin’.

    • Replies: @Truth
  32. anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:

    Sailer, you are the Hollywood writer for Unz. There have been stories circulating for years about how rappers were encouraged to escalate their offensive and anti-social tendencies to become bad boys. You should look at that and write about it.

  33. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle

    As I recall, the lead theory was disproved by various natural past experiments in the Eastern Bloc, where there were localized periods of massive leaded gasoline use in some countries, but not in others, with no corresponding differences in crime.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  34. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Altai

    To put Black Panther up for best picture is just crazy and without precedent.

    The precedent is Shape of Water. Nothing about that movie said Best Picture and it won as a political statement.

  35. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    work on your reading comprehension.

    the question was asked and I gave the answer.

    and you’re absolutely wrong about tv being the same.

  36. J.Ross says: • Website
    @anon

    Pulp Fiction for all its nastiness had an objectively high degree of technical focus and a clever structure, and was a kind of warped love letter to cinema. Black Panther was a superhero flick. Pulp Fiction was massively influential and had lots of imitators, most unwatchable. Black Panther was a superhero flick.

    • Replies: @anon
  37. J.Ross says: • Website
    @stillCARealist

    How many guys started Karate because of Bruce Lee?

    The size of the smug anime girl picture you are trying to upload is too large. Please try again with a smaller image.

  38. @George Taylor

    You can’t go wrong with Social D.

  39. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Boston vegas

    I started paying attention to death imagery, especially brainless death imagery, and it’s everywhere. Skulls are all over every children’s clothing section. If I could I would categorically ban it except for certain holidays and events where it’s appropriate and meaningful. I don’t like censorship but how are there skulls all over our kids? How is that not programmatic and executing a nefarious purpose?

    • Replies: @BB753
  40. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Williams

    The Geto Boyz(sp?) cut a pro-life anthem, didn’t they? (“The Unseen”) Sounds like some more points of light in the G.H.W.B. “PrudentCon” coalition:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-18/entertainment/ca-376_1_rap-group

    “To all you Republicans that helped me win / I’d sincerely like to thank you”

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  41. Svigor says:

    Gangsta rap emerged in November of 1986, with The Beastie Boys’ Licensed to Ill. All blacks did later was do it straight – hold the humor.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Onebelowall
  42. @Altai

    I find it interesting because there is just no way around the overhype around Black Panther. It’s just cringey to watch all these Hollywood types patronise black people like this.

    In the end, nominations and best picture votes are decided by secret ballot. So there should be no way to get individual virtue signal points, or to be individually condemned for voting wrong. Yet, the Academy still seems heavily swayed by political correctness.

    Does this mean that the Academy members actually convince themselves that “affirmative action” films are artistically superior? Or do they simply throw their personal standards out the window? Or is there perhaps a behind-the-scenes program to get people lined up behind the “right” films?

    Or do normies just not get how much artistic merit is added by characters who are Black, Gay or disabled (or all three! for sure Oscar gold)?

    • Replies: @bomag
  43. Svigor says:
    @Daniel H

    Those are songs, not a genre.

  44. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    I must sheepishly admit that as a 14-year-old in 1969, rock stars like Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, MC5 and the like, were my heroes. Even Country Joe, durn his hide.

    Just for the hell of it, try to imagine what the ’60′s would have been in America like if major rock bands, instead of encouraging white teenagers to get high, drop out, and work for The Revolution, had encouraged them to become career criminals and attack blacks.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    Whites listen to that music but they don’t kill people because if those lyrics.

    Maybe homicidal rap music and the rise in black kids murdering each other is a correlation and not a cause of the murders?

    Perhaps the black teachers and administrators in their 90% black schools weren’t sufficiently anti White and that caused the murders.

    Or there weren’t sufficient blacks in the cartoons they watched.

    Whatever whatever it’s evil Whitey’s fault. Fewer blacks =a better city for people to live.

  46. BB753 says:

    By far the most deleterious effect of gangsta rap was on popular music and culture. Bad taste and negrification took on like never before, add the spread of tattoos and obesity to the mix and you’ve got our present sordid cultural situation.

  47. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:

    http://greyenlightenment.com/so-where-is-the-wall/

    Ann Coulter understandably is pissed that Trump has made no progress on the wall.

    The lack of progress is not surprising. I predicted in August 2017 there would be no wall, although I knew even well before then it would not happen. A continuous, permanent 2000-mile border wall is a colossal undertaking. If completed, it would be the biggest man-made structure ever, second only to the Great Wall of China. Did anyone realistically expect such a thing would happen? Border military did however erect 170 miles of barbed razor-wire fence along common illegal entry points, which is probably good as it’s going to get, and in my opinion and in the minds of voters, a success. Trump can show footage of the wall, and voters will agree that it is indeed a wall. And it’s not like the left can hold Trump accountable for only building 170-mile wall instead of a 2000-mile one.

    As for an actual continuous and permanent border wall, Trump faces major hurdles. If he loses, then his successor will certainty scrap the project completely. Trump does not want to invest time , energy, and money into something that has a 50% chance of even getting off the ground. Construction of such a big wall will take years; what if Trump loses and the wall is only 1/6 built. Then what. For any hope of a wall that will outlast him, it needs to be codified into law. So there need to be a bill that would appropriate funds and set a timetable for construction, and undoing it would require fifty one percent of both houses of congress. Given the midterm results and that the GOP is divided regarding the wall, getting a wall construction bill through is extremely unlikely. Trump would have to convince Congress that illegal immigrants are a national security threat that necessitates a wall. I don’t see that working either.

    http://greyenlightenment.com/so-where-is-the-wall/

    • Replies: @Pericles
  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    I uses to watch a lot of old TCM movies. Everybody smoked even the prudish old ladies in those movies.

    Those movies coincided with the era when almost every body smoked.

    The wide spread acceptance of gays and now homosexual worship was caused by the endless gays in every TV show starting about 1976?? I remember Jack Lemmon as a saintly old gay bachelor who took in a pretty young woman as a roommate. It was a sitcom. Watched part of one episode.

  49. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The brats are even worse than the wives in the movies and sitcoms. And the fathers listen to the brats and follow their wise advice.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  50. Sleep says:

    I imagine at least one reason why the >24 homicide rate didn’t go up is because so many of them were already serving time in jail.

  51. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle

    So the crapologist didn’t notice we’d been using gas with terra ethyl lead for 100 years. And it only affected blacks

  52. @Anonymous

    I think you’re misreading the graph. As Steve said, the top three lines are for blacks, the bottom three are for whites + Hispanics. The label “Whites” is a little misleading.

    So basically, the murder epidemic was confined to blacks younger than 24.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  53. @GSH

    “My guess is that if you looked at WWI or WWII time periods and excluded civilian deaths (maybe use USA/Canada instead of Europe), you’d see very similar graphs”

    Lotsa black guys doing the killing while whites and Hispanics sit on the sidelines?

  54. anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    It probably did, with rap lyrics having a disproportionate influence the further one goes down the mental totem-pole. In other words, the stupider ones are more likely to be unable to think through the consequences of their actions. Prisons aren’t a gathering place for mental giants. There’s enough of a supply of stupid young people drawn to the excitement of the gangsta lifestyle to keep things bubbling from time to time. Sort of like selling firewater to the Indians.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
  55. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Almost Missouri

    I remember the infamous “endangered young black male” Time cover, which lefties decried as potentially giving people the impression that something bad was happening with black boys.
    Can’t find it now but it was a big deal at the time.

  56. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boston vegas

    I read an interview with the Hughes Brothers, who directed Menace II Society, and they said they didn’t feel the film held up well for precisely that reason, namely that it came out of an early 90s perspective where being a drug dealer/gangbanger was seen as sort of cool and romantic. They both felt that way even though they were raised by their Armenian mother and were far from being street kids themselves, and they attributed it directly to hip hop, NWA, Eazy E and the like. Of course there are other factors but I don’t see how anyone can deny that pop culture can have a negative effect on a certain kind of wayward young man. It’s axiomatic really.

  57. njguy73 says:
    @Anon

    I remember Jack Lemmon as a saintly old gay bachelor who took in a pretty young woman as a roommate. It was a sitcom. Watched part of one episode.

    You sure it wasn’t Tony Randall in “Love, Sidney”? Honest mistake; Lemmon and Randall also both played Felix Unger.

  58. @Anonymous

    There were so many vices resulting from the boomers, it’s likely impossible to untangle causation.

    Nothing “resulted from” the Boomers. They did not create themselves.

  59. @Anon

    Billy Crystal’s first role (I think) was playing an openly homosexual character on the sitcom Soap in the mid/late 70′s.

  60. @Steve Sailer

    “Malcolm X” was pretty good, albeit tedious at times. You’re right that his career did seem to spiral after that. Oddly enough, his most noteworthy films during his down years were “non-black” films like Summer of Sam and that movie where Edward Norton is about to go to prison.

  61. @Pat Boyle

    The phase-out of leaded gas didn’t start in earnest until the later half of the 70’s, and just right before that pollution from leaded gas would have been at its worst (especially in places like Los Angeles). Given that lead pollution causes the most damage to infants and small children, it follows that children born during that time period, who came of age in the early 90’s, would have been more violence prone. Maybe it doesn’t explain the spike from the 80’s to the early 90’s, but it would more likely explain the sudden drop afterwards.

  62. Impolitic says:

    The timing is off. Obviously, what really happened is that we had been slowly decreasing the amount of lead in gasoline until 1966, when we instead started to add progressively more of it for the next ten years – but only in black neighborhoods – until we reverted back to 1962 levels. Occam’s Razor.

  63. @ben tillman

    Right, because we all know it was the materialist forces of history that caused Boomers to get stoned at Eagles concerts and get divorced.

  64. Hail says: • Website

    One data-point from the graph:

    At least 3.5% of all U.S. Black males born in the early 1970s have died of murder,* mainly in the early 1990s. They would today be in their mid mid 40s. This is the hardest hit demographic. It looks, then, easily more likely that a Black male born in the 1970s will have died of murder on a U.S. street than will have died in any foreign war, including if limiting it to Black U.S. military combat veterans of the wars of the 1990s to 2000s.

    * – Calculated this way (rough calculations): For the Black male cohort turning 18 in 1989 (born 1971), we see an avg. of ~333 of 100,000 die in each of the calendar years 1990 to 1995 (after which time the murder rate recedes somewhat). 333*6=2,000 cumulative. 2,000/100,000 = 2% of U.S. Black males born in the early 1970s were murdered between their 18th and 24th birthdays alone.

    Near another 0.5% were murdered before their 18th birthdays in the late 1980s (murder rate 100-150 for their age-cohort at the time). In the following 23 years (1996-2018), the running average for the b.1971 cohort is at least 40 murder victims / 100,000 population, or a cumulative 0.9%. This is a little unclear, because the graph shows “Age 24+,” which presumably means Age 24 to 100; the murder-victim rate for 99-year-olds is probably lower than for 29 year olds. So the 0.9% here calculated must be an under-estimate.

    The White Non-Hispanic male murder-victim rate in the same age cohorts up to the present looks to be likely roundable down to zero percent; some were murdered, but it is down in the low tenths of a percent. The “all-population, lifetime murder-victim rate” in Vermont is 0.1% (1.5/100,000 long-run avg.)*81 [life expectancy].

    ______________

    This huge Black-male death toll raises question of what dysgenic or eugenic effect it had on the U.S. Black population. (Richard Lynn, IIRC, calculated that Black fertility was more dysgenic than White fertility in the 20th century, though both are long in dysgenic territory.)

  65. @Anonymous

    The Geto Boyz(sp?) cut a pro-life anthem, didn’t they? (“The Unseen”)

    That’s a great tune! I like when Big Mike says “… got pregnant and now she’s off to the back room/to get the baby sucked out her ass by a vacuum.” I think he might have a few gaps in his knowledge of human anatomy.

    Labelmates The Convicts won my heart with this anti-immigration ditty, “Illegal Aliens”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Yu43FsdKo

  66. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @william munny

    Some rappers claimed to be members of some of those gangs, or at least so connected. (B-Real, Snoop Dogg, probably others.) If they were, I wonder if the success of gangsta rap gave a cash infusion to LA black organised crime and helped its spread?

  67. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Uh… you do see the uptick starting in the mid-80′s? And also take the point that it’s the popularity that’s kind of the point?

    Agree about coke and the CIA, but what are you gonna do? Gotta find a bottomless pit of no oversight funding somehow. In a way, it’s all Frank Church’s fault.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  68. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Sure they do. In Nate Dogg and Warren G.’s “Regulate”, the consequence of the violence is that they pick up a carful of girls and fuck them all

  69. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boston vegas

    He tells me he comes from a middle class home in Los Angeles with dad in construction and stay at home mom.But him and his 2 brothers are cruising with a sawed off shotgun in the trunk because they think it’s cool.

    He sounds like the actual members of NWA

  70. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB

    Murders <— cocaine <— CIA <— George Bush

    So yeah

  71. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    MTV used a show geared towards teens, to promote a hyper-violent movie, depicting anal rape and casual drug use. The year prior they pushed Menace to Society and the year after, Seven. All were cynical attempts by studios to boost DVD sales among kids and teens with indifferent parents.

    And who cares if Tarantino is a movie dork and if Black Panther is a dumb superhero movie.

  72. Danindc says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Aimed at a, how do I put this delicately, less susceptible audience.

  73. Truth says:
    @anonymous

    LMFAOLMAFOLMAFO!

    Comment of the year, in December at that.

    And you know why? Because it’s TRUE! Look at the commenters on Steve’s page and, as Steve has queried above, you will wonder if music and behavior are correlated.

    • Disagree: bomag
  74. Truth says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, are you really giving this young man this advice?

    A respectful reality check here Bro., the advice would be stronger from a poster without that faggy a-e thing in his sobriquet.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  75. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Yes, and film noir originated with Columbo.

  76. @anonymous

    My father worked as a social worker with criminal youth. He and his colleagues were able to get nearly all of them apprenticeships, after they had served their penalty, but most of them could not keep their jobs due to their behavior. They were persuaded to give one of them a clean rap sheet, because he said he wanted to work for the German railway system (at that time the railway system was run by the government and as a government employee he needed a clean rap sheet.) You will never guess, where this guy actually applied: the prison where he had been a prisoner just one month ago. He wa able to get a job there but was let go after 10 minutes on the first day, when one of the wardens and some of the prisoners recognized him. I do not know how stupid one has to be to think this was a good idea.

  77. BB753 says:
    @J.Ross

    Take a look at Céline Dion’s new clothing line for kids. Excellent for black masses. Gender neutral, occult themed. Evil.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Truth
  78. @anon

    I’ve always thought of gangsta rap and actual gangsters as the classic chicken/egg scenario

    Of course, some would say this type of thing is older than hip-hop.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagger_Lee

  79. @anonymous

    Is it bad that that sounds great to me?

  80. @anonymous

    Popular sitcoms about neutered “fathers” getting hassled by their morally and intellectually superior wives.

    The irony of course being that today those 90s sitcoms are being attacked in retrospect by the left for being homophobic, sexist, racist and catering to white male privilege. If you want some laughs:

    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/friends-criticised-sexist-homophobic-netflix-2219739

    https://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/10_seinfeld_episodes_that_are_racist_and_sexist_in_retrospect_partner/

    and most ridiculous of all:

    https://www.indy100.com/article/problematic-moments-sex-and-the-city-carrie-bradshaw-bisexual-dating-black-man-8385976

  81. Sean says:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-homicides/

    ELIJAH Anderson, preeminent student of street behavior in the inner cities of America, portrays the importance of dominance contests and their continual presence for poor young black men:

    M]ost youths have…internalized the code of the streets…, which chiefly [has] to do with interpersonal communication…, [including] facial expressions, gait, and verbal expressions – all of which are geared mainly to deterring aggression…

    Even so, there are no guarantees against challenges, because there are always people looking for a fight to increase their share of respect – of “juice,” as it is sometimes called on the street. Moreover, if a person is assaulted, it is important, not only in the eyes of his opponent but in the eyes of his “running buddies,” for him to avenge himself. Otherwise, he risks being “tried” (challenged) or “moved on” by any number of others. To maintain his honor, he must show he is not someone to be “messed with” or “dissed.”

    …The craving for respect that results gives people thin skins. Shows of deference by others can be highly soothing contributing to a sense of security, comfort, self-confidence, and self-respect….Hence one must be ever vigilant against the transgressions of others or even appearing as if transgressions will be tolerated. Among young people, whose sense of self-esteem is particularly vulnerable, there is an especially heightened concern with being disrespected. Many inner-city young men in particular crave respect to such a degree that they will risk their lives to attain and maintain it (Anderson, 1994, p. 88–99).

    [,,,] In the NHANES 2011–2012 sample, among young men with no education beyond high school, mean T of blacks is nearly 100 ng/dL higher than mean T of whites. Among older men or better-educated men, race made little difference in hormone levels.

    Median age of black men in 1990 was 24-5.

    You need to adjust the data for age. Young males, between the ages of 15 and 25, account for most acts of personal violence. Conversely, men past the age of 35 are considerably less prone to violence. This age trend mirrors the age trend in testosterone levels. Although t levels are not the sole reason why men are more prone to violence, they are a good marker of this interaction between sex and age. In other words, the same selection pressure that makes t levels higher in young men also makes young men more violence-prone in other ways.

    If we compare human populations on a global basis, we find that this age trend is steeper in some than in others. If a population has much higher t levels in young men, it also has much lower t levels in older men. There seems to be a trade-off. The more violent a man is in his youth, the less violent he is at older ages.
    (Peter Frost on the AK thread)

    Mearshiemer in his The Tragedy Of Great Power Politics cites Anderson’s the Code of the Streets article as displaying the same realist perspective on behavior that can be applied to international relations. Anderson explains how maintaining eye contact a seconds longer than expected can on the street be interpreted as serious indication of malevolent intentions. Elvis sung “If you’re looking for trouble you came to the right place ” but is was just a song, while anyone who caught Snoop Dogs’s eye back in the day really was looking for trouble. Now he is an anti gun activist.

  82. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    Lol, there’s that certain type of blogger that can’t leave out ‘as I predicted’.

  83. Pericles says:
    @BB753

    Looks inspired by that old Jewish rock group, what’s their name again.

    • Replies: @BB753
  84. bomag says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the end, nominations and best picture votes are decided by secret ballot.

    Secret ballot tends to make things more conservative.

    But individual members are under pressure to conform by the milieu in which they circulate; and when an institution is under pressure to conform, the members tend to line up; a sort of induced magnetism.

  85. Blodgie says:
    @anon

    “The average viewer of Pulp Fiction was 14”

    It was an R rated movie

    A lot of places wouldn’t let those under 17 buy tickets

    The average viewer was much older, probably early 20s

    I saw it the day it came out at 25

  86. @Pat Boyle

    I just read a book on violence by a prominent criminologist that claimed that the big spike in violence in the nineties was the result of tetra ethyl lead in the gasoline and that the epidemic ended when we mandated no more lead in the fuel. But that theory doesn’t seem to account for the lower violence among older whites and blacks if I read the graph right.

    I think the purpose of the leaded gas theory isn’t so much to explain the increase in violent crime, but to distract from the pronounced effects of the 1994 VCCLEA in causing a near immediate reduction in violent crime and drug trafficking with traditional law and order means – mandatory minimum sentences and more cops/more aggressive policing. As it turns out, serially decapitating drug trafficking organizations and incapacitating career criminals with decades long sentences in the federal correctional system (where they can be moved all over the U.S. to prevent them from running operations from prison) does a lot to reduce violent crime in urban areas.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  87. @stillCARealist

    Music, movies, TV, it has a big influence on what’s cool. And teenagers want to be cool more then they want to breathe.

    Perhaps an interesting corollary is how The Godfather is credited to have formed the style and mannerisms of mobsters and the greater Italian American community.

    Of course mobsters preexisted The Godfather, but the archetypes of Vito and Michael and Sonny didn’t. No doubt Puzo and Coppola based them on amalgams of real characters, but people really did start modeling themselves on Sonny.

    The horseshoe came back around in the third film, with the flashy Joey Zasa character being obviously based upon John Gotti who was in the news so frequently in the late 1980s.

  88. @Altai

    “It’s just cringey to watch all these Hollywood types patronise black people like this.”

    Cringey. And flat-out embarrassing. What’s even more embarrassing is that those same “Hollywood types” probably don’t even realize it.

  89. @Daniel H

    Both songs are about prisoners who regret their past behavior and know they will remain locked-up in prison and have nobody to blame but themselves.

    I shot man in Reno , Just to watch him die
    When I hear the whistle blowin
    I hang my head and cry…
    But I know I had it coming
    I know I can’t be Free …

    If only rap songs displayed such remorse and accountability for their actions and acceptance of the penalty

  90. @Anon

    Reminds me of that horrible 1980′s show, “The Wonder Years”. A kid knows everything and all the bumbling adults learn from him. I think it was portraying the 1960′s, as though that era was the beginning of enlightenment and youth would lead the way. I had some female roommates who would watch it religiously. Ack.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  91. Truth says:
    @BB753

    Ace Frehley gives his approval.

    • LOL: BB753
  92. BB753 says:
    @Pericles

    Kiss. But watch the whole video, they dress little kids like Satan’s minions! The brand is called NuNuNu.

    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/mby3zb/celine-dion-celinununu-clothing-pastor-satanic

  93. @rufus

    No, but it sure shows poor taste and perhaps a certain lack of morals.

  94. @anonymous

    Middle class hipster music in the 90s was certainly a very whiny affair. Most of the front runners (Coldplay, Radiohead, Pulp etc) had whiny vocalists singing whiny songs. And to add insult to injury, they weren’t even very humorous about it. Working class whites had muscular heavy metal in the Pantera mould, but metal was getting pretty stale by the 90s. And the less said about rap/metal crossover music like Limpbizkit the better.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  95. @Truth

    Keep your filthy digits off my ligature!

  96. @Alec Leamas

    According to Sam Quinones, the big improvement in Los Angeles crime rates in the 2000s were due to Bill Bratton shifting from serial decapitation of gangs to rounding up everybody in the gang all at once.

    But I haven’t seen much more on this.

  97. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Aviation gasoline still has lead, a lot of it. I use it in my T-head Gravely two wheel lawn tractor. I love the smell. Makes me want to slaughter some gophers, voles, moles, sure, but I never have thought to attack the neighbors…..

  98. @Svigor

    Ha!

    Before Licensed to Ill, The Beasties were doing stuff like this:

    • Replies: @Svigor
  99. Svigor says:

    Truth says:SHOW COMMENTNext New Comment
    December 7, 2018 at 7:05 am GMT
    Truth says:SHOW COMMENTNext New Comment
    December 7, 2018 at 7:10 am GMT
    Truth says:SHOW COMMENTNext New Comment
    December 7, 2018 at 7:12 am GMT

    I gave you, what? 10 years to make a comment worth a shit? 15? Now yer blocked.

    Go put some water in yer hydrogen-powered car, bix nood.

  100. Svigor says:
    @unpc downunder

    What the fuck universe do you have to live in to believe that Radiohead, Coldplay, or Pulp (who?) were the frontrunners in the nineties? Share what u smokin’? Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Tool, Bush, Foo Fighters, Rage Against the Machine, Soundgarden all crapped bigger than any of your examples. Yes, whining moved up in the world in nineties white music but FFS man…

  101. Svigor says:
    @Onebelowall

    Just some nice (((huwhite))) boyz lookin’ for a niche m’man!

  102. Svigor says:
    @stillCARealist

    Haha, I think I was like 15 and that was still too Jewy for me to watch.

    :D

  103. Svigor says:

    Unpc, you did qualify it with “hipster,” so I suppose YMMV.

  104. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:

    I think you’ve got causality the wrong way round here.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  105. @Reg Cæsar

    Did Neil Young then chuckle and play “The Needle & The Damage Done” for Bill Flanagan

    You’re gonna die!

    You can have anything you want but you won’t get there for free.

    It’s gonna bring you down!

    I could do this all day:

    And so on…. Rock is rife with songs about the fallout from crime, addiction, and immorality.

    Bill Flanagan should have listened to more than ten rock ‘n’ roll songs. Hell, he might could stand to listen to a few hip-hop songs.

  106. @Clyde

    You are baffled how successful performers who consistently fill venues with paying audiences become wealthy simply because you, personally, don’t like their work?

    You are either being facetious or you are mentally dificient with overtones of a narcissist ego.

    Most adults realise their own tastes and preferences do not dictate reality.

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