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This is a broad-based phenomenon. The race gap in traffic deaths has emerged in nearly every US state, in cities and non-cities alike and for nearly every age-gender group. pic.twitter.com/5mx1LMtqus
— Aaron Chalfin (@AaronChalfin) November 28, 2022
In contrast we do not find smoking gun evidence for a Ferguson effect in American policing on the roads. While police enforcement is down, it is down in roughly equal measure for Black and White Americans. pic.twitter.com/hyfqyEoBEi
— Aaron Chalfin (@AaronChalfin) November 28, 2022
But blacks have been driving worse since Ferguson, and especially since Floyd, as shown by their traffic fatality rates, so they should have been pulled over more.
And if they had been stopped and searched in proportion to their increased bad driving and increased homicides, then the cops would have arrested more due to their packing more guns.
So it’s pretty clear that blacks now face a lower risk relative to their rate of violations.
As for blacks driving worse due to opioid use from 2015 onward, that’s an interesting possibility. On the other hand, whites used a lot of opioids in 2000 to 2015 with little noticeable effect on traffic or homicide fatalities. Case and Deaton called opioids one of the main causes of deaths of despair among the white working class. In contrast, the Ferguson and especially Floyd Effects on murders and car crashes look more like Deaths of Exuberance.
In any case, this is a brave paper to blame the recent sudden rises in black traffic fatalities on black behavior rather than on slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and racist roads.
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Every single day that I drive to/from work, I encounter some menace driving 10-20 MPH faster than surrounding traffic (20-30 MPH faster than the posted speed limit), and weaving in and out of various lanes with nary a turn signal activated.
The impaired driver who “falls prey” to the traffic stop will, as a matter of consequence, face many inconveniences regarding his license, bank account, and even freedom (depending upon the extent of the impairment). But at least such a traffic stop gets the impaired driver off the road for at least a short while, thus creating a safer environment for — among others — the impaired driver. The grievance industry complains about the inconveniences, but doesn’t acknowledge the enhanced safety. When the grievance industry succeeds in impairing the police, the average impaired driver suffers fewer expected inconveniences, but does not benefit from the enhanced safety, and thus becomes one of the statistics cited herein.
Well noticed, Steve.
Consider that a clue.
I concur. White drivers or Ford or RAM trucks are notorious for that behavior.Replies: @Thirdtwin
Sure, blame women…
Say, did George Floyd drive to CUP Foods, or did he walk? There was a car nearby– was it his? Was he in any condition to drive?
You know who did drive on the biggest day of his life? 17-year-old David Hogg. Statistically he was far more likely to kill someone that morning than a randomly-chosen gun owner. He just got lucky.
This looks like a better way to deal with depression:
https://www.tiktok.com/@makingitez/video/7169067027376639278
Also Aaron Chalfin, probably: "George Floyd did not die of a fentanyl overdose!"
Schrödinger's Epidemic, it's there when you need it. Excusing black driving? Behold the opioids! Blaming white cops? No drugs to see here!
That’s a thing to say. But how do you prove it? The murder part is easy because blacks are now more likely to get away with murder because of de-policing.
But without a plausible mechanism for why blacks are different in their motivation to not die from bad driving, you got nothing on the traffic fatality gap.
Lower IQ means lower everything - less future time orientation, less impulse control, less carefulness. It's not that they fear death less. It's just that they are too stupid to see it coming.
An inability to understand cause and effect? Seems like a plausible mechanism to me.
The headline specifies “fentanyl” and I have had a perhaps-crazy theory for a while about fentanyl abuse and death. I hear perhaps one-third of pundits pronounce it “FEN-tin—awl.” They make it sound like an “alcohol.” I suspect an even higher percent of fentanyl-user types mispronounce it the same way. I can’t prove it, but: Many users are thinking it is just a stronger cousin of alcohol, and they understand regulating their booze usage, so, no worries. If the name were changed (ideally, Fen-rat-poison), usage would plummet. (Here’s where I collect some “disagree” buttons).
I guess lots of blacks are driving to jobs in the outer suburbs, thereby piling up more miles. Since they’re driving against traffic, they can go much faster. /sarc
Unless this includes pedestrian fatalities, it seems much more difficult to drive fast enough in usually congested urban areas to cause a fatality compared to major suburban arteries and rural two-way traffic roads (most dangerous because of head-on collisions). You’d have to be really reckless to wreck that badly. Nowhere near as many big trucks in the city, either.
Hilarious car crash at start of video.
Bad Blax > Mad Max.
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Exuberant driving, at least in Philadelphia. The models of choice appear to be Chrysler 300s, Dodge Challengers and Chargers, and Ford Crown Vic’s driving at extreme speed all over the city.
It’s difficult to identify the drivers by race due to the black-tinted windows (even the front windshields are blacked-out).
Closest thing “Mad Max” I’ve ever witnessed.
A Ferguson effect in terms of reduced policing only partly explains things the other side is what I like to call the ‘racial uprising’ (As opposed to the ‘racial reckoning’ which sounds like something that takes place in the media and court cases and not on the streets) whereby young black men that have a criminal bent get the message that they should be allowed to act out and be reckless, it’s morally condoned. Like the rape and pillage of an occupying army.
When an ethnicity feels like it has gained new prestiege and prominence in society that expresses itself in weird ways (Like when Turkic East Anatolians began to gain political power in Turkey in major Western Turkish cities after a generation of renewed migration in the 20th century expresses itself in exuberant new political Islam with Erdogan as it’s figurehead as opposed to the more liberal cosmopolitan Europeans who used to demographically dominate those cities) as things they did that another group who held power made them ashamed about (Being too Islamist, covering their girls hair up.) they stopped caring about and now it was the European West Anatolians turn to feel ashamed for not covering their hair up!
For example in 2020 a group of black American soldiers went around shooting fireworks in Korea like what we saw in NYC and other places with black ghettos. This is a ‘racial uprising’ and I’d bet African-American soldiers all over the world in US bases got in trouble much more after May 2020 and you can’t blame US cops staying home for that.
Uprising is the NYT’s preferred term for the 2020 FloydFest, as opposed to Mostly Peaceful Protests, or (God forbid) riots.
When I say ‘preferred’ I mean it’s what they tell their obedient readers to say.
"Unprovoked Invasion" is the NYT's term for Russia's reaction to the Nuland Coup of 2014, followed by Ukrainian attacks on the Donbass and Luhansk (15,000-odd civilians killed - their "fellow-Ukrainians" who no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine).
And quite a few here are very happy with that.
(incidentally, at the Portugal World Cup game last night, someone ran onto the pitch trying to unfurl a banner - he was sandbagged by security and removed. Now if there's a pitch invasion in the UK, standard BBC procedure is to point the cameras at anything but the pitch invader, and talk about anything but the pitch invader. No publicity for pitch invaders!
But last night's post-match summary devoted several minutes to praising the guy, who apparently was trying to unfurl a rainbow flag, had "Save Ukraine" on one side of his shirt and "Respect For Iranian Women" on the other. Presenter Kelly Dalglish did at one point say that invading the pitch was illegal, but also had to say how brave he was.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/breaking-world-cup-invader-rainbow-28605599)
Stress from Covid-19 is responsible for the post-2020 black degenerative malignancy.
A lot of young blacks lost their parents or grandparents who are often their sole source of financial support and shelter. Blacks were also more likely to get laid off in the lockdowns. Job loss is one of the number one correlates of reckless behavior in any race of males.
As in run the numbers, we should have good ones for black COVID deaths by age, good enough for how many at what age would be influencing and/or supporting younger relatives. And good ones for job losses, and there I would break them down by sex to match for the car accidents including what are norms for general reckless or accident prone driving.
Yeah, "women drivers" are a "sexist cliche" but very noticeable in my fairly large family of Silent Generation parents and Gen X children. Also look at timing, especially for job losses compared to when the 2020 summer of love started. Counting that, in theory those would result in less money for gasoline. On the third hand, the more criminal might convert idleness into joyriding.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
I am not understanding the line about how, since policing is down for both of the only races which exist in the minds of the stupid, Ferguson is debunked. That’s not Ferguson. Ferguson is unpolicing, which this fraud just proved, and which didn’t need proving since we have the orders in some cases.
If you are permissive with the difficult and strict with the obedient, that’s not Ferguson, that’s anarcho-tyranny. Sufficient examples of anarcho-tyranny exist separate from traffic that it’s not in doubt.
The impaired driver who "falls prey" to the traffic stop will, as a matter of consequence, face many inconveniences regarding his license, bank account, and even freedom (depending upon the extent of the impairment). But at least such a traffic stop gets the impaired driver off the road for at least a short while, thus creating a safer environment for -- among others -- the impaired driver. The grievance industry complains about the inconveniences, but doesn't acknowledge the enhanced safety. When the grievance industry succeeds in impairing the police, the average impaired driver suffers fewer expected inconveniences, but does not benefit from the enhanced safety, and thus becomes one of the statistics cited herein.
Well noticed, Steve.Replies: @J.Ross, @Kinky Friedman, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus
I have had a fear for some time that the kind of retard who gets into an accident drunk is actually equally dangerous sober and the alcohol is just erasing what luck he had taken for granted.
Enforcement is decidedly not down equally for blacks and whites. If I get stopped and I make a fuss, I’ll get arrested. Whereas every black motorist now has the option of putting the patrolman into a bet-your-career situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw
OT — Anonymous posts an intriguing theory about why musicals (which were actually the dominant entertainment going into midcentury) died; he says they died of AIDS:
“Fentanyl- It’s Not Just For White People Anymore”
"Speedballs" are a long time legacy injection combo of heroin and meth. Yes, sounds crazy but if that don't kill you, I guess addicts (some) go for it.
So now some take fentanyl and meth, both can be in pill form also. A newer, more deadly combo.
As an extremely powerful opiate derivative/analogue, I would think just using that would act like most opiates and get you high, drowsy, off in space, etc. (this is just from what I read).
That wouldn't seem to involve much car driving. Though I have read of heroin users crashing into trees when chased by cops, even in sleepy suburbs.
Fentanyl is now combined with other stuff in pills, often not mentioned to users. So blacks and others could be on that when driving. But I wouldn't think other than wandering off the road, it would cause speeding. But combined in a nouveau speedball, maybe.
The impaired driver who "falls prey" to the traffic stop will, as a matter of consequence, face many inconveniences regarding his license, bank account, and even freedom (depending upon the extent of the impairment). But at least such a traffic stop gets the impaired driver off the road for at least a short while, thus creating a safer environment for -- among others -- the impaired driver. The grievance industry complains about the inconveniences, but doesn't acknowledge the enhanced safety. When the grievance industry succeeds in impairing the police, the average impaired driver suffers fewer expected inconveniences, but does not benefit from the enhanced safety, and thus becomes one of the statistics cited herein.
Well noticed, Steve.Replies: @J.Ross, @Kinky Friedman, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus
Fentanyl killed George Floyd, and no telling many more Numinous Negroes. Buy why even allow such talk in ‘polite company?’ It might lead to both talk about the many destructive problems inherent in the Bantu race and in our sieve of a border. It might lead to talk about our billionaires doing dirty business with China and also cynically using Numinous Negroes to cause havoc on the streets in order to keep middle Americans from catching on to how their elites are plain old evil.
In fact, I’d say it’s up for whites. Cops gotta give tickets. Why not give ’em to well-behaved suburbanites who are going 10 over, than to people who are liable to drag you into a fistfight? I used to be able to talk myself out of the occasional ticket. Since 2020, nfw. If I’m pulled over the ticket is as good as written.
Dude, I hate to say it but if you have a large enough personal sample size since 2020 to make that determination then you are part of the problem.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
OT — Next time something is wrong, simply wait for science and the rules-based international order to change its mind.
But the rules-based international order didn't really change its mind, did it? When people in the West protested lockdowns, that was bad because it threatened the authority of the order. When people in China protest lockdowns, that's good because it threatens the Chinese government's authority which, in turn, threatens the authority of the order.
Isn't this a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or am I missing something? What's certain is that both cases were not about public safety measures at all. They were about totalitarian governing.Replies: @J.Ross
Say, did George Floyd drive to CUP Foods, or did he walk? There was a car nearby-- was it his? Was he in any condition to drive?
You know who did drive on the biggest day of his life? 17-year-old David Hogg. Statistically he was far more likely to kill someone that morning than a randomly-chosen gun owner. He just got lucky.This looks like a better way to deal with depression:
https://www.tiktok.com/@makingitez/video/7169067027376639278Replies: @Almost Missouri
Lol. (And blaming rightwing women! Or is that a based-broad?)
Aaron Chalfin: “We find evidence … the opioid epidemic hit Black Americans later and harder.”
Also Aaron Chalfin, probably: “George Floyd did not die of a fentanyl overdose!”
Schrödinger’s Epidemic, it’s there when you need it. Excusing black driving? Behold the opioids! Blaming white cops? No drugs to see here!
I used to be able to talk myself out of the occasional ticket. Since 2020, nfw. If I’m pulled over the ticket is as good as written.
Dude, I hate to say it but if you have a large enough personal sample size since 2020 to make that determination then you are part of the problem.
OT – No one could have foreseen this!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479159/DOE-spent-fuel-chief-Sam-Brinton-charged-felony-theft-Minnesota.html
https://mol.im/a/11481793Apparently it wasn't an innocent mistake after all. More like privilege in action.
Off the roads did the general fentanyl death rate also go up disproportionately for blacks during these years?
And in any case, you would expect Exuberance to lead to more alcohol and drug use of all types which would lead to more traffic fatalities.
If you think about it for a second, stopping a suspect in a car, whether the suspect is black or white, is one of the riskiest moves a cop can make, since, unlike for a pedestrian stop, the cop can see nothing of what is in, or going on in, the car or even much of what the driver himself looks like. So these stops pose the greatest danger to the cop, and the greatest possibility that the cop may have to act, or overreact, violently to protect himself. Thus car stops are among the most likely actions to be reduced or avoided if cops feel threatened by agitators.
Just drove down to Florida from NY. Apart from the stretch though PA, the second most dreaded part of the trip is the black drivers in the Carolinas. Slow in passing lane (or alternatively riding your ass) never a thought for fellow drivers, full tint on windows and even at 80 mph with windows closed you can smell the weed.
Glad to see I wasn't making it up.
Although the underlying problem is that in many interurban locations in America today, traffic volume has outgrown two lane freeways. There are simply too many cars on the road to drive in the classic "left lane for passing" style. Yes, people want to drive "too fast", but it's also impossible to safely cruise at one's desired speed. There are slower cars in front of you and the left lane is packed, so you're kind of obligated to jump in and go along with the swerving rat race.
The blacks just take it up a notch.Replies: @William Badwhite
Another interesting phenomenon to look at would be the rise in assaults and general bad behavior on airliners.
At least the frequency and severity now in news media of such occurrences leads this commenter to assume there has been an increase in such behaviors. Can Steve or anyone else crunch the numbers on this re race and actual increase?
My hypothesis is just that this falls into the general category of uncivilized behavior that is more and more encouraged while at the same time less and less forbidden — among all Americans.
My hunch is that Blacks! probably are behaving badly on flights in numbers all out of proportion to their percentage of the population, just as they seemingly do on cruise ships and everywhere else. Is this verifiable with something more than just looking at the published videos?
Oh, and of course the proper concern must follow as an “as if I give a damn” signal: “Oh dear what is causing this?” We don’t need to care why, because the “why” is just an excuse for low class, and good, old-fashioned enforcement of rules is the only right answer.
2) Over the last 3 years, the asinine face-masking business had passengers in worse moods than otherwise.
3) Spirit and other low-cost carriers haul some real trash around.Replies: @JR Ewing
As usual, another excuse for typical moronic jogger behavior. Maybe it’s just vehicles sick of being outdone by guns…
Exactly what I thought.
At least this is the “new” twitter, so he probably won’t be punished, but he’ll be savaged by a large proportion of the natives.
With the pandemic sharply reducing the public transportation options in the hood and car dealers offering 10-year loans, there are many blacks in cars now that weren’t 3 years ago. These people are adding some kinetic spice to the already anarchic Massachusetts roads.
I have noticed that whenever someone does something breathtakingly stupid on the road these days, it’s a black woman on a cellphone. Watch out, the Qween is coming through!
Dude, I hate to say it but if you have a large enough personal sample size since 2020 to make that determination then you are part of the problem.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
I have a pretty big sample size (80-90 times being pulled over, counting various conveyances) from years back, but luckily not from lately. The cops must have gotten on some app that says leave AEN the hell alone, he’s already paid for one new squad car.
OTOH, Cool Daddy Jimbo’s advice has gotten me thinking a lot harder about slowing down than anything else lately. Thanks, Jimbo!
I noticed this as well about the black drivers when I was driving through the Carolinas and Georgia over the summer. They will tailgate in the left lane and then make a break for it into the right lane to try to pass if they see an opening. And if you don’t tailgate yourself, they’ll – very recklessly and dangerously – cut back in front of you if given the chance.
Glad to see I wasn’t making it up.
Although the underlying problem is that in many interurban locations in America today, traffic volume has outgrown two lane freeways. There are simply too many cars on the road to drive in the classic “left lane for passing” style. Yes, people want to drive “too fast”, but it’s also impossible to safely cruise at one’s desired speed. There are slower cars in front of you and the left lane is packed, so you’re kind of obligated to jump in and go along with the swerving rat race.
The blacks just take it up a notch.
There are two famous training videos every cop has seen: in one, the pulled-over driver was a combat vet, a far better shot than the officer, and had been harassed by that particular officer for the last time; in the other, a single officer tries and fails to keep track of the three pulled-over Mexicans who feigned sleep and shifted position in order to ambush and kill him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479159/DOE-spent-fuel-chief-Sam-Brinton-charged-felony-theft-Minnesota.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @Old Prude, @Renard, @Dmon
True iSteviness — if that name doesn’t sound familiar, rest assured you’ve seen his demonic face. That’s that guy in a dress and lipstick with a shaved head.
Good lord, they’re going to force both him and the woman to pay a fine or go to jail? Would they be in the same cell? Mugatu is my pharmacist.
At least the frequency and severity now in news media of such occurrences leads this commenter to assume there has been an increase in such behaviors. Can Steve or anyone else crunch the numbers on this re race and actual increase?
My hypothesis is just that this falls into the general category of uncivilized behavior that is more and more encouraged while at the same time less and less forbidden -- among all Americans.
My hunch is that Blacks! probably are behaving badly on flights in numbers all out of proportion to their percentage of the population, just as they seemingly do on cruise ships and everywhere else. Is this verifiable with something more than just looking at the published videos?
Oh, and of course the proper concern must follow as an "as if I give a damn" signal: "Oh dear what is causing this?" We don't need to care why, because the "why" is just an excuse for low class, and good, old-fashioned enforcement of rules is the only right answer.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Buzz:
1) Over the last decade, smart phones have been everywhere to record and spread what would have been small mostly-unheard-of “incidents” before.
2) Over the last 3 years, the asinine face-masking business had passengers in worse moods than otherwise.
3) Spirit and other low-cost carriers haul some real trash around.
Years ago in Detroit, the activist scum, and then the Communist media, started using revolt or uprising to describe the ’67 riot. They retain riot to describe the white riots in the 40s.
I would chalk this up to distracted driving while texting or talking on smartphones. In my observations around town, absolutely no one is more enthralled with chatting or texting away, and I have even seen people on video calls while driving.
Especially when many joggers have ridiculous window tinting – can’t even see eyeballs or teeth.
You forgot Emmet Till.
A noose isn't dangerous in a car unless someone is dragging your black ass in one behind their car.
Of course, that can happen...Replies: @Veteran Aryan
How could I? He's always sitting in the same chair, looking at me. After I click "Publish Comment" I'm going to put his frozen eggplant parm in the oven.
How did access to high performance muscle cars like Challengers through lavish welfare entitlements and favorable loans contribute to negro traffic deaths?
Mark Grubert who has done a bunch of time on the narcotics beat for Los Angeles news units claims that a huge fraction of the street drugs in CA are cut with fentanyl the shit is so damn cheap now. It is slightly more expensive for the Chinks to manufacture than baby formula.
He is not 100% reliable but he is a fellow who will report facts that most of his peers are too cowardly to let out.
2) Over the last 3 years, the asinine face-masking business had passengers in worse moods than otherwise.
3) Spirit and other low-cost carriers haul some real trash around.Replies: @JR Ewing
That’s the business model. To carry around people of lesser means who can’t afford (or are too cheap) to fly on a better airline.
So they chase those marginal dollars and they willingly endure the bad behavior that comes from that sort of passenger.
They know what they are doing.
And, frankly, I treat those types of airlines like I treat any business in that demographic (Best Buy, Foot Locker, Cheesecake Factory, most brick and mortar shopping malls): I do my best to avoid it.
Now be fair.
“Unprovoked Invasion” is the NYT’s term for Russia’s reaction to the Nuland Coup of 2014, followed by Ukrainian attacks on the Donbass and Luhansk (15,000-odd civilians killed – their “fellow-Ukrainians” who no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine).
And quite a few here are very happy with that.
(incidentally, at the Portugal World Cup game last night, someone ran onto the pitch trying to unfurl a banner – he was sandbagged by security and removed. Now if there’s a pitch invasion in the UK, standard BBC procedure is to point the cameras at anything but the pitch invader, and talk about anything but the pitch invader. No publicity for pitch invaders!
But last night’s post-match summary devoted several minutes to praising the guy, who apparently was trying to unfurl a rainbow flag, had “Save Ukraine” on one side of his shirt and “Respect For Iranian Women” on the other. Presenter Kelly Dalglish did at one point say that invading the pitch was illegal, but also had to say how brave he was.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/breaking-world-cup-invader-rainbow-28605599)
A lot of young blacks lost their parents or grandparents who are often their sole source of financial support and shelter. Blacks were also more likely to get laid off in the lockdowns. Job loss is one of the number one correlates of reckless behavior in any race of males.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
You’ve got a couple of very interesting theories here, although I think you’re overconfident in their explanatory power prior to refining them.
As in run the numbers, we should have good ones for black COVID deaths by age, good enough for how many at what age would be influencing and/or supporting younger relatives. And good ones for job losses, and there I would break them down by sex to match for the car accidents including what are norms for general reckless or accident prone driving.
Yeah, “women drivers” are a “sexist cliche” but very noticeable in my fairly large family of Silent Generation parents and Gen X children. Also look at timing, especially for job losses compared to when the 2020 summer of love started. Counting that, in theory those would result in less money for gasoline. On the third hand, the more criminal might convert idleness into joyriding.
That third hand will come in handy whilst cooking dinner -- itching, scratching, massaging, all whilst never relinquishing the spatula.
Mention that you are ‘mixed-race’.
It's difficult to identify the drivers by race due to the black-tinted windows (even the front windshields are blacked-out).
Closest thing "Mad Max" I've ever witnessed.Replies: @John Johnson
Exuberant driving, at least in Philadelphia. The models of choice appear to be Chrysler 300s, Dodge Challengers and Chargers, and Ford Crown Vic’s driving at extreme speed all over the city.
Both left and right discuss the homicide rate (with their own competing intellectual dishonesty) while this aspect of living near Blacks is completely ignored.
I had a green Challenger with tinted windows drive by me at 120 in a 45. At that speed you can expect a fatality in a head on collision.
Blacks are much more likely to do something like stomp on the gas out of frustration. For example if they don’t know whose turn it is at a 4 way they will just stomp and go for it.
Of course we are supposed to pretend to not notice all these patterns.
As for the thesis I really doubt fentanyl has anything to do with it. Police have pulled back in general after the Floyd riots. Illicit activities are most likely up across the board and fentanyl is just easier to track because of the overdoses. I oppose the legalization of drugs but my guess is that most fatalities are from speeding and drunk driving.
Even before Floyd no one wanted to look at Black driving behaviors. Blacks are constantly told that “the man” held them down and this permeates everything that they do. In their minds the traffic rules are just for Whitey. In areas like Oakland they are pretty much left to make up their own traffic rules. Society pities them as seen by liberals even defending the gangs of dirt bike riders on highways.
Yeah, I saw it in the way black males swaggered around in Chicago the day after Obama won. The message was clear: we runnin’ shit now, mofuckas.
In fact, I’d say it’s up for whites. Cops gotta give tickets. Why not give ’em to well-behaved suburbanites who are going 10 over, than to people who are liable to drag you into a fistfight?
There is another factor which is that urban White cops resent suburban Whites.
They resent that the police are forced face reality while suburban Whites can live out their racial egalitarian fantasy. A White person might gripe about a ticket but they still get to go home and watch Bantu Crime Team while the cop is in the trenches of reality.
They are annoyed that White men allow the circus to go on and I understand. I get annoyed with White people all the time for refusing to face reality.
What the hell? I’ve been driving for over 20 years and have only gotten pulled over once, and it wasn’t for speeding. Admittedly I drive much less than most people [probably about 30% of the 12k/miles/year of the average American) but still. I can’t even fathom how you got pulled over that much without losing your license or worse.
When you live your life by the motto "madha, ana qalaq?", you can accomplish things undreamt of by lesser men.
Easily the most memorable stop was the time I was doing 120 on a freeway, got to ride in the back of a Crown Vic while wearing handcuffs, and narrowly avoided a DUI. I took it a lot easier after that and the most recent stop I can recall was about 2 1/2 years ago.Replies: @Ralph L, @International Jew
Who knew isteve attracted such a crowd of outlaws?
Let's see if I can come up with only a few of the reasons:
1) Certain model of sports car. I've written this before - I can drive a little old pickup truck 10 mph faster and not get pulled.
2) I was younger - that doesn't mean I drive any slower in general now, but cops figure I'm more responsible.
3) During the earliest time of my being younger, the speed limit was still dictated (via extortion*) to be 55 mph on all non-Interstate highways. Since I've been across the country on various routes about 17 times, and I like getting off the big roads, well, I'm like Sammy Hagar on this. Actually, I really think NOBODY can keep driving 55 mph or even 60 across the whole country. It's just not comfortable and you never end up getting there!
4) As I wrote, all types of conveyances. That includes 5 times on a motorcycle in town, none of which resulted in a ticket. It includes about 6 times on bicycles.
5) Besides watching basketball playoffs for both evenings of traffic school (one of the 3 times), per the instructors idea, we took time to each relate to each other how to talk to cops better to avoid tickets. I think that helped on a couple of occasions.
6) Got pulled over 3 times in one week. (Just sayin', as that adds to the total quickly.). 2 were for speeding, and I did get tickets. One was for rolling through the 4-way about 1/2 block from my house. I pulled into my own driveway, and the guy took it easy on me.
7) Who said I kept my license the whole time. They give it back, you know.
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* Shoot, or blackmail - you guys got me really thinking hard on this the other day, but I just got more confused, I think... ;-}
The last time I was pulled over was in 2002. What on earth are you doing?
Sam Francis’s Anarcho Tyranny summarized in just one sentence. Well said.
I wouldn’t say he’s blaming black behavior. He’s saying that the opioid crisis “has hit Black Americans”. This is something that was done to blacks. Also, it echoes the old chestnut, “Women and minorities hardest hit”.
When you read that phrase anywhere, despite Soviet style media censorship, you know who was involved.Replies: @HammerJack
Why isn’t he looking at marijuana usage? Literally every single young black male I pass on the street smells like pot, as do most of the older black males.
Also this:
In contrast we do not find smoking gun evidence for a Ferguson effect in American policing on the roads. While police enforcement is down, it is down in roughly equal measure for Black and White Americans.
Is he seriously trying to suggest that a perception of reduced police presence would meet with the same kind of response from blacks and whites?
On that thread (as Twitter shows it to me), original poster Aaron Chalfin responds four times to people replying with reasonable observations or questions. He responds to Sailer… not at all.
Apparently, after algorithms are changed, a Dalit is still a member of the lowest varna. At least as Brahmins see it.
Also OT but perhaps or perhaps not related:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63792408
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63784751
I’m intrigued by the flip that occurs around puberty, where males become more robust and women less robust. One in three young women!
But then I’m from a generation where “mental health” meant “loony-bins”, which have all closed in the UK (so people who’d once have been inmates are out on the street).
The surges correspond in time directly with Ferguson and Floyd.
But in terms of the overall divergence–and general rise in traffic deaths–I agree. Cell phones energize the solipsism of emotional, social oriented, highly verbal and high-time preference peoples. Their oh, so critical! conversations and their incredibly exciting adventures take precedence over … boring trivial stuff like paying attention.
Chalfin and Sailer both get most of their traffic-fatality information from the CDC Wonder database. In the paper, all of Chalfin’s figures chart data annually, while Sailer’s tallies are month by month. Chalfin’s series usually end at 2020 (sometimes 2018), while Sailer goes to January 2022.
Link to Sailer’s graph-containing tweet in response to Chalfin.
Chalfin’s Fig. A.1 in the Appendix is monthly through about December 2020, and mostly recapitulates the patterns in Sailer’s graph. (Since the data source seems to be identical, why aren’t Chalfin’s and Sailer’s graphs?)
The added granularity is helpful in considering cause-and-effect. Eyeballing the graphs, the big jump in black homicides looks to be from March 2020 to April 2020. For black traffic fatalities it seems to spike upwards from April 2020 to May 2020. Is either consistent with George Floyd’s death (May 25, 2020) playing a causal role?
I recall discussion on this point when Steve first published the homicide graph, but a quick search failed to locate that comments thread.
[Edit: In this comment, I failed to pair Black with white. Chalfin is better at staying current with such academic fads.]
OT: more Steve content from the Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/black-investors-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-crash/671750/
Blacks pile into bitcoin, get burned.
OT – the BBC are really showing their hypocrisy lately. Kelly Dalglish on BBC radio is celebrating the Senegalese supporters “with their faces painted white” as they celebrate beating Ecuador and go through to the next round.
I can imagine what the BBC would say if English or Welsh fans were all blacked up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479159/DOE-spent-fuel-chief-Sam-Brinton-charged-felony-theft-Minnesota.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @Old Prude, @Renard, @Dmon
If that’s not Clown World nothing is, especially the media calling him “They”. [honk-honk] Hope the ugly little spud gets locked up.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479159/DOE-spent-fuel-chief-Sam-Brinton-charged-felony-theft-Minnesota.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @Old Prude, @Renard, @Dmon
Story keeps getting better…
https://mol.im/a/11481793
Apparently it wasn’t an innocent mistake after all. More like privilege in action.
Law enforcement saves black lives, the very best reason to DEFUND THE POLICE!
They are a much younger demographic than whites, more impulsive, full of P&V, full of D&K (Duning and Kruger), criminal-minded, entitled and oppositional, inconsiderate, dimwitted, and generally unskilled.
You may be right. Most people seem to have trouble pronouncing the word, and take the lazy way out, a la “Febyuary” and “pundint”.
How did access to high performance muscle cars like Challengers through lavish welfare entitlements and favorable loans contribute to negro traffic deaths?
I honestly think it is irresponsible to make hellcats for that reason.
A bunch were stolen during the riots and youff were driving them around at high speeds.
I suppose a compromise would be to make them manual only.
https://i.postimg.cc/mZJDzQ48/1669721717662344.jpgReplies: @Kylie, @YetAnotherAnon
“Next time something is wrong[COVID lockdown protests], simply wait for science and the rules-based international order to change its mind.”
But the rules-based international order didn’t really change its mind, did it? When people in the West protested lockdowns, that was bad because it threatened the authority of the order. When people in China protest lockdowns, that’s good because it threatens the Chinese government’s authority which, in turn, threatens the authority of the order.
Isn’t this a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or am I missing something? What’s certain is that both cases were not about public safety measures at all. They were about totalitarian governing.
OT. How many of you white guys on here are noticing more angry, sneering stares from non-whites when you’re out in public? I’m getting them a lot lately.
But the rules-based international order didn't really change its mind, did it? When people in the West protested lockdowns, that was bad because it threatened the authority of the order. When people in China protest lockdowns, that's good because it threatens the Chinese government's authority which, in turn, threatens the authority of the order.
Isn't this a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or am I missing something? What's certain is that both cases were not about public safety measures at all. They were about totalitarian governing.Replies: @J.Ross
Don’t make it so complex, the point is to murder the government like it says in the NOFX song.
Ot:
file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/85/05/633DA3FF-3634-400E-9FD8-FF61CDA9C567/IMG_3588.jpeg
Yes, but probably never was.
“Speedballs” are a long time legacy injection combo of heroin and meth. Yes, sounds crazy but if that don’t kill you, I guess addicts (some) go for it.
So now some take fentanyl and meth, both can be in pill form also. A newer, more deadly combo.
As an extremely powerful opiate derivative/analogue, I would think just using that would act like most opiates and get you high, drowsy, off in space, etc. (this is just from what I read).
That wouldn’t seem to involve much car driving. Though I have read of heroin users crashing into trees when chased by cops, even in sleepy suburbs.
Fentanyl is now combined with other stuff in pills, often not mentioned to users. So blacks and others could be on that when driving. But I wouldn’t think other than wandering off the road, it would cause speeding. But combined in a nouveau speedball, maybe.
Isn’t Thailand one of the deadliest-driving countries on earth? Do monks drive?
Every monk in Thai temple defrocked after testing positive for meth
Well, today’s topic is driving.
A noose isn’t dangerous in a car unless someone is dragging your black ass in one behind their car.
Of course, that can happen…
Don’t forget “shots rang out….”
When you read that phrase anywhere, despite Soviet style media censorship, you know who was involved.
Glad to see I wasn't making it up.
Although the underlying problem is that in many interurban locations in America today, traffic volume has outgrown two lane freeways. There are simply too many cars on the road to drive in the classic "left lane for passing" style. Yes, people want to drive "too fast", but it's also impossible to safely cruise at one's desired speed. There are slower cars in front of you and the left lane is packed, so you're kind of obligated to jump in and go along with the swerving rat race.
The blacks just take it up a notch.Replies: @William Badwhite
The solution to this problem is of course, More Immigration.
the major cause of this disparity is the amount of driving time, with blacks increasing their driving time proportionately more than whites
This is why redlining was such an evil
https://i.postimg.cc/mZJDzQ48/1669721717662344.jpgReplies: @Kylie, @YetAnotherAnon
Andrew Lloyd Webber began the musical’s slow and painful death, and ludicrous 90s spectacles from Rent to Mamma Mia mercifully but tastelessly decapitated it. Now Hamilton is lumbering around the country like a singing zombie consuming what’s left of the brains of the middlebrow.
The impaired driver who "falls prey" to the traffic stop will, as a matter of consequence, face many inconveniences regarding his license, bank account, and even freedom (depending upon the extent of the impairment). But at least such a traffic stop gets the impaired driver off the road for at least a short while, thus creating a safer environment for -- among others -- the impaired driver. The grievance industry complains about the inconveniences, but doesn't acknowledge the enhanced safety. When the grievance industry succeeds in impairing the police, the average impaired driver suffers fewer expected inconveniences, but does not benefit from the enhanced safety, and thus becomes one of the statistics cited herein.
Well noticed, Steve.Replies: @J.Ross, @Kinky Friedman, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus
Social conditions in England improved markedly after nine decades of draconian punishment and transportation.
Consider that a clue.
Settle down Cham. You too, General Ripper…
Ah, but we do have a plausible mechanism for why blacks have less fear of death from bad driving than other races do – stupidity.
Lower IQ means lower everything – less future time orientation, less impulse control, less carefulness. It’s not that they fear death less. It’s just that they are too stupid to see it coming.
I guess all that is what Steve means by black “exuberance.” But since he can’t say it out loud, I think his “deaths of exuberance” theory will just come off as glib to those who don’t know enough to mentally fill in all these unstated anti-social characteristics.
An artfully phrased term delivering fact and shining a light on a peculiar aspect of black persona -- gleeful violence. Laughing is usually intertwined with the poor marksmanship. Perhaps this is due to the youthful nature of the carnage and chaos in black shithole cities like Philly and Chi Towne. Steve's way with language sets him apart from the usual conservative hokum.
As in run the numbers, we should have good ones for black COVID deaths by age, good enough for how many at what age would be influencing and/or supporting younger relatives. And good ones for job losses, and there I would break them down by sex to match for the car accidents including what are norms for general reckless or accident prone driving.
Yeah, "women drivers" are a "sexist cliche" but very noticeable in my fairly large family of Silent Generation parents and Gen X children. Also look at timing, especially for job losses compared to when the 2020 summer of love started. Counting that, in theory those would result in less money for gasoline. On the third hand, the more criminal might convert idleness into joyriding.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
“On the third hand …”
That third hand will come in handy whilst cooking dinner — itching, scratching, massaging, all whilst never relinquishing the spatula.
“deaths of exuberance”
An artfully phrased term delivering fact and shining a light on a peculiar aspect of black persona — gleeful violence. Laughing is usually intertwined with the poor marksmanship. Perhaps this is due to the youthful nature of the carnage and chaos in black shithole cities like Philly and Chi Towne. Steve’s way with language sets him apart from the usual conservative hokum.
“You forgot Emmet [sic] Till.”
How could I? He’s always sitting in the same chair, looking at me. After I click “Publish Comment” I’m going to put his frozen eggplant parm in the oven.
When you read that phrase anywhere, despite Soviet style media censorship, you know who was involved.Replies: @HammerJack
Yep. Why do them opioids keep attacking us?
Just like the bilence. Attacking us at funerals even. Homey just can’t catch a break out here.
In their minds all rules are just for Whitey. And they are joined in this opinion by nearly everyone, including most white people. Some number of Asians excepted, but fewer now than previously.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/black-investors-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-crash/671750/
Blacks pile into bitcoin, get burned.Replies: @HammerJack
Which proves that crypto-currencies are racist, like everything else.
In the Bay Area, cops don’t give tickets anymore. In fact you almost never see them. Something’s going on where municipalities somehow don’t need the revenue. Only thing I can think of is that Pelosi has showered the state with federal dough.
I used to have a terrible problem seeing no-U turn signs.
Hold everything! We have real news:
DOG SHOOTS MAN
Hunter accidentally shot dead by his own dog in freak accident
https://nypost.com/2022/11/28/hunter-accidentally-shot-dead-by-own-dog-in-freak-accident/
Every monk in Thai temple defrocked after testing positive for methReplies: @J.Ross
That is hilarious because meth is exactly the wrong drug for any monk.
” ‘Tis an ill wind that blows no good.”
Hey Schoolmarm, am I shadowbanned? Let me know so I won’t waste any more time.
Low fertility blues.
Even cheap cars are a lot more powerful than they were 20 years ago, and those were faster than almost anything built in the 80s.
“As for blacks driving worse due to opioid use from 2015 onward, that’s an interesting possibility. “
He already has state by state statistics for the traffic. I suspect that DEA stats for Fentanyl arrests are likewise broken out by state (and maybe even by race, though that kind of data might be harder to access). Once you download that, a simple Excel spreadsheet would suffice to find the relevant r-squared and p-value and such, though that assumes the data isn’t garbage, and that may already be asking for too much.
This is as close as I could get with two clicks: https://drugabusestatistics.org/opioid-epidemic/ — note there’s a section on Fentanyl but the state-by-state break out is with respect to opioids in general. Given what he says about opioids hitting blacks later and harder, I suspect he has some data on that as well.
Not sure I’d call that a “freak accident” as much as I’d call it a “careless accident”.
I’m a regular shotgun clays shooter and bird hunter and the first thing I noticed from that story when I saw it the other day is that this man put a loaded and closed gun down on the tailgate of his car. Doing that is practically begging for an accidental discharge, dog or not.
In one of the pictures he’s holding a SxS shotgun. As soon as he was done shooting and started walking back to the car, he should have at the very least opened the action and he probably should have also pulled out the shells, too. Walking back and putting it it down with the action closed as just plain dumb, as he quickly found out.
Here in Houston several years ago there was a guy who shot and killed himself as he was pulling his loaded shotgun out of its case one day at the gun range. That one made very little sense to me, either. Just careless. He could have just as easily shot himself in the back while he was driving his car around with a loaded shotgun in the back.
There’s a reason why “gun safety” is emphasized so much in hunter education and LTC classes.
I can’t even fathom how you got pulled over that much without losing your license or worse.
When you live your life by the motto “madha, ana qalaq?”, you can accomplish things undreamt of by lesser men.
O/T, Wall Street Journal getting on the Hate Hoax train:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/facts-ruin-another-media-stoked-racial-narrative-hate-crime-bombing-hbcu-joke-white-supremacy-fbi-11669754791
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479159/DOE-spent-fuel-chief-Sam-Brinton-charged-felony-theft-Minnesota.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @Old Prude, @Renard, @Dmon
Hmm – felony theft. Sounds like an immediate review of his security clearance is in order.
” At this time, the black element which were once just fans had grown up and become part of the establishment. Just like any fan, they didnt understand what made it a sport and instead focused on those elements which made them fans in the first place. Pretty soon their culture infected pro football and the ticket buying public became disinterested.”
file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/85/05/633DA3FF-3634-400E-9FD8-FF61CDA9C567/IMG_3588.jpegReplies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross
not gonna work
Correlation is not causation.
It’s just as likely that they evaded police detection, rather than the police letting them zip by or not doing their job.
Had you done some NOTICING, you would realize NHTSA’s research suggests that during the lockdowns, driving patterns changed significantly across the board. Why? Drivers who remained on the roads engaged in riskier behavior, like speeding, failing to wear seat belts, and driving under the influence. Traffic data also shows average speeds increased throughout the year, and examples of extreme speeds became more common.
These trends were especially prominent in southern states, where whites there especially were more likely to resist COVID 19 restrictions. In fact, total estimated fatalities increased on rural local/collector roads (up 11%).
The type of driver still made trips despite the stay-at-home orders while fewer cars on the roads emboldened more risk takers to engage in faster driving, which, in turn, made streets more deadly.
Data collected from trauma centers also show an increase in the number of people ejected from vehicles, which skew white. So it was a broad range of people who exemplified a hazard to life and limb on our highways and byways.
The reality, iSteve, is that the police did NOT “back off” to arrest blacks for bad behavior.
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2020/11/report-finds-racial-bias-in-2019-traffic-stops/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-police-traffic-stops-20190111-story.html
https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-police-sfpd-racial-profiling-traffic-stops/6422281
https://news.wosu.org/news/2019-12-19/black-drivers-and-pedestrians-most-likely-traffic-stop-targets-in-ohios-biggest-cities
I’ve been pulled over 70+ times as well. Most of those were in the first 12 years of driving, because IDGAF about obeying posted speed limits (though I get why they’re necessary as a backstop against antisocial use of public roads).
Easily the most memorable stop was the time I was doing 120 on a freeway, got to ride in the back of a Crown Vic while wearing handcuffs, and narrowly avoided a DUI. I took it a lot easier after that and the most recent stop I can recall was about 2 1/2 years ago.
Easily the most memorable stop was the time I was doing 120 on a freeway, got to ride in the back of a Crown Vic while wearing handcuffs, and narrowly avoided a DUI. I took it a lot easier after that and the most recent stop I can recall was about 2 1/2 years ago.Replies: @Ralph L, @International Jew
Have you done a DNA test for your ancestry?
file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/85/05/633DA3FF-3634-400E-9FD8-FF61CDA9C567/IMG_3588.jpegReplies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross
Try uploading to postimg dot com and then copying and pasting the second link in the result list.
Same here (but driving almost 50 years).
Who knew isteve attracted such a crowd of outlaws?
Easily the most memorable stop was the time I was doing 120 on a freeway, got to ride in the back of a Crown Vic while wearing handcuffs, and narrowly avoided a DUI. I took it a lot easier after that and the most recent stop I can recall was about 2 1/2 years ago.Replies: @Ralph L, @International Jew
If you’re in the habit of driving drunk, how sure can you be that you’re remembering all your incidents?
I never tried to drive when I was plastered. I'd just sleep it off in the passenger seat, and keep the key far away from the ignition unless it was really cold outside.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
Indeed, and note the use of the passive voice in the headline I copied. Reporters (oh, excuse me, “journalists”) understand little, and they love the passive voice. They had to write “hunter accidentally shot dead,” because the dog didn’t actually shoot the man — the man shot himself with his own carelessness.
I don’t get pulled over regularly, but for the 4-5 times I have over the past 20 years, I’ve had every ticket eventually dismissed. Municipal courts are not interested in actually contesting citations. They are intended to just be a revenue conveyor belt for the city. Nothing more nothing less.
If you persistently raise objections to the process and ask them to do even the slightest bit of work in their “prosecution” they’ll eventually just throw out your case and move on to the next guy who will open his wallet more willingly. It’s all about quality control and efficiency.
All you need is the bare minimum ability to write a motion to the court and sometimes be willing to spend a morning sitting in the courtroom while they try and wait you out. I think that beats dropping a couple hundred dollars in fines and “fees” and having my insurance costs go up because I was doing 65 in a 50 trying to keep up with traffic.
I thought white people were law abiding citizens who didn’t take short cuts and make excuses. Somehow I bet you didn’t get out of half of those tickets and are just trying to come across as being smug in “cheating the system”.
Sorry for the late reply, Andrew – I was visiting with a good friend.
Let’s see if I can come up with only a few of the reasons:
1) Certain model of sports car. I’ve written this before – I can drive a little old pickup truck 10 mph faster and not get pulled.
2) I was younger – that doesn’t mean I drive any slower in general now, but cops figure I’m more responsible.
3) During the earliest time of my being younger, the speed limit was still dictated (via extortion*) to be 55 mph on all non-Interstate highways. Since I’ve been across the country on various routes about 17 times, and I like getting off the big roads, well, I’m like Sammy Hagar on this. Actually, I really think NOBODY can keep driving 55 mph or even 60 across the whole country. It’s just not comfortable and you never end up getting there!
4) As I wrote, all types of conveyances. That includes 5 times on a motorcycle in town, none of which resulted in a ticket. It includes about 6 times on bicycles.
5) Besides watching basketball playoffs for both evenings of traffic school (one of the 3 times), per the instructors idea, we took time to each relate to each other how to talk to cops better to avoid tickets. I think that helped on a couple of occasions.
6) Got pulled over 3 times in one week. (Just sayin’, as that adds to the total quickly.). 2 were for speeding, and I did get tickets. One was for rolling through the 4-way about 1/2 block from my house. I pulled into my own driveway, and the guy took it easy on me.
7) Who said I kept my license the whole time. They give it back, you know.
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* Shoot, or blackmail – you guys got me really thinking hard on this the other day, but I just got more confused, I think… ;-}
In the incident I mentioned, I had a BAC of .07 – far below where memory loss happens, at least for me.
I never tried to drive when I was plastered. I’d just sleep it off in the passenger seat, and keep the key far away from the ignition unless it was really cold outside.
Now, my friend who could drive better drunk than most guys can drive sober, well, he finally got nailed one time. What was unimaginable to me - I've been drunk off my ass in the past but never experienced it - was this deal about seeing double. He'd tell me that he didn't know which of the dashed white lines on the highway to follow, as there were just too many of them!Replies: @Chris Renner
I drive when I'm plastered...very, very carefully.
It's actually kind of a pain in the ass.
It was a pic of the nuke waste tranny theft story. No big deal.
Heh. Would it surprise you to learn that I’m mostly Scots-Irish?
I never tried to drive when I was plastered. I'd just sleep it off in the passenger seat, and keep the key far away from the ignition unless it was really cold outside.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
They busted someone I know (of) for doing just that, sleeping in the car, but that time it was cold, and he was running the car for some heat. Nope, keys in the ignition – that’s drunk driving. That’s how the law is an ass, and that’s how cops are often asses.
Now, my friend who could drive better drunk than most guys can drive sober, well, he finally got nailed one time. What was unimaginable to me – I’ve been drunk off my ass in the past but never experienced it – was this deal about seeing double. He’d tell me that he didn’t know which of the dashed white lines on the highway to follow, as there were just too many of them!
If you're in the passenger's seat or backseat, I doubt any state explicitly has in its statutes that this is a defense to a charge of OWI, but it at least gives you grounds to argue that you had no intent to operate the vehicle. IANAL, just a guy who occasionally browses state motor vehicle laws.
Of course it'll still be costly to you if the cops decide to book you for OWI and make you prove your lack of intent in court, if they're inclined to be dicks and don't have anything better to do.
A noose isn't dangerous in a car unless someone is dragging your black ass in one behind their car.
Of course, that can happen...Replies: @Veteran Aryan
A drive-by lynching. Please inform the Emmett Till Alert System.
I got them most during the George Floyd riots. I even had a black guy approach me at a store with his fist clenched who asked “what are you looking at white?”. I didn’t even notice him until then. Since then I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary.
If you persistently raise objections to the process and ask them to do even the slightest bit of work in their "prosecution" they'll eventually just throw out your case and move on to the next guy who will open his wallet more willingly. It's all about quality control and efficiency.
All you need is the bare minimum ability to write a motion to the court and sometimes be willing to spend a morning sitting in the courtroom while they try and wait you out. I think that beats dropping a couple hundred dollars in fines and "fees" and having my insurance costs go up because I was doing 65 in a 50 trying to keep up with traffic.Replies: @Corvinus
“I think that beats dropping a couple hundred dollars in fines and “fees” and having my insurance costs go up because I was doing 65 in a 50 trying to keep up with traffic.“
I thought white people were law abiding citizens who didn’t take short cuts and make excuses. Somehow I bet you didn’t get out of half of those tickets and are just trying to come across as being smug in “cheating the system”.
The impaired driver who "falls prey" to the traffic stop will, as a matter of consequence, face many inconveniences regarding his license, bank account, and even freedom (depending upon the extent of the impairment). But at least such a traffic stop gets the impaired driver off the road for at least a short while, thus creating a safer environment for -- among others -- the impaired driver. The grievance industry complains about the inconveniences, but doesn't acknowledge the enhanced safety. When the grievance industry succeeds in impairing the police, the average impaired driver suffers fewer expected inconveniences, but does not benefit from the enhanced safety, and thus becomes one of the statistics cited herein.
Well noticed, Steve.Replies: @J.Ross, @Kinky Friedman, @Bill Jones, @Corvinus
“Every single day that I drive to/from work, I encounter some menace driving 10-20 MPH faster than surrounding traffic (20-30 MPH faster than the posted speed limit), and weaving in and out of various lanes with nary a turn signal activated“
I concur. White drivers or Ford or RAM trucks are notorious for that behavior.
‘…But without a plausible mechanism for why blacks are different in their motivation to not die from bad driving, you got nothing on the traffic fatality gap…’
An inability to understand cause and effect? Seems like a plausible mechanism to me.
I never tried to drive when I was plastered. I'd just sleep it off in the passenger seat, and keep the key far away from the ignition unless it was really cold outside.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Colin Wright
‘…I never tried to drive when I was plastered. I’d just sleep it off in the passenger seat, and keep the key far away from the ignition unless it was really cold outside.’
I drive when I’m plastered…very, very carefully.
It’s actually kind of a pain in the ass.
Now, my friend who could drive better drunk than most guys can drive sober, well, he finally got nailed one time. What was unimaginable to me - I've been drunk off my ass in the past but never experienced it - was this deal about seeing double. He'd tell me that he didn't know which of the dashed white lines on the highway to follow, as there were just too many of them!Replies: @Chris Renner
100%, if you’re in the driver’s seat.
If you’re in the passenger’s seat or backseat, I doubt any state explicitly has in its statutes that this is a defense to a charge of OWI, but it at least gives you grounds to argue that you had no intent to operate the vehicle. IANAL, just a guy who occasionally browses state motor vehicle laws.
Of course it’ll still be costly to you if the cops decide to book you for OWI and make you prove your lack of intent in court, if they’re inclined to be dicks and don’t have anything better to do.
“But blacks have been driving worse since Ferguson, and especially since Floyd, as shown by their traffic fatality rates, so they should have been pulled over more.“
Correlation is not causation.
It’s just as likely that they evaded police detection, rather than the police letting them zip by or not doing their job.
Had you done some NOTICING, you would realize NHTSA’s research suggests that during the lockdowns, driving patterns changed significantly across the board. Why? Drivers who remained on the roads engaged in riskier behavior, like speeding, failing to wear seat belts, and driving under the influence. Traffic data also shows average speeds increased throughout the year, and examples of extreme speeds became more common.
These trends were especially prominent in southern states, where whites there especially were more likely to resist COVID 19 restrictions. In fact, total estimated fatalities increased on rural local/collector roads (up 11%).
The type of driver still made trips despite the stay-at-home orders while fewer cars on the roads emboldened more risk takers to engage in faster driving, which, in turn, made streets more deadly.
Data collected from trauma centers also show an increase in the number of people ejected from vehicles, which skew white. So it was a broad range of people who exemplified a hazard to life and limb on our highways and byways.
The reality, iSteve, is that the police did NOT “back off” to arrest blacks for bad behavior.
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2020/11/report-finds-racial-bias-in-2019-traffic-stops/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-police-traffic-stops-20190111-story.html
https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-police-sfpd-racial-profiling-traffic-stops/6422281
https://news.wosu.org/news/2019-12-19/black-drivers-and-pedestrians-most-likely-traffic-stop-targets-in-ohios-biggest-cities
I concur. White drivers or Ford or RAM trucks are notorious for that behavior.Replies: @Thirdtwin
White drivers in white pickups are pretty bad, but black guys in black muscle cars are worse. Can’t wait for the hemi Ford Fentanyl to hit the road. That will be truly intersectional.
“Peaceful protests”…that term gived us lots of parodies and memes. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cnn-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-protests-parodies