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Here’s an amusing NYT article confirming my surmise in Taki’s Magazine about Dick Durbin’s behavior in the Oval Office debate over immigration last week. The article totally takes Durbin’s side, but it’s obvious that Durbin’s complaint is that he got beat, bad, in the kind of fair fight the represents the epitome of good decision making over a crucial national policy.

Inside the Oval Office Immigration Meeting That Left a Senator Stunned
On Washington

By CARL HULSE JAN. 19, 2018

WASHINGTON — As they departed the now famous Oval Office meeting where President Trump used vulgar language to disparage the national origin of some potential immigrants, Senators Lindsey Graham and Richard J. Durbin found themselves in a condition unfamiliar to such veteran politicians: speechless.

“After Lindsey and I left the room and got in the car together to come back to Capitol Hill, it was silence in the car,” Mr. Durbin, of Illinois, recalled in an interview on Thursday, describing their mutual distress at the ominous turn the negotiations had taken as well as the president’s conduct. “We had just witnessed something that neither one of us ever expected.”

In recounting events, Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades, noted that he had a promising telephone call with Mr. Trump hours before last week’s meeting. Then he was invited to join Mr. Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a longtime advocate of an immigration law overhaul, at the White House for what they believed was a session to complete a bipartisan agreement to protect the young immigrants known as Dreamers in exchange for new border security and other immigration law changes.

Instead, they ran into a buzz saw of angry and coarse opposition from the president, reinforced by the surprise presence of hard-line opponents of immigration overhaul from the House and Senate.

Oh my gosh, the President invited experts on the policy to the meeting!

“The deck was stacked against us as the president walked in the room,” said Mr. Durbin, who said Mr. Graham, seated next to the president, began laying out the specifics of the pending agreement only to have the meeting quickly deteriorate.

“He barely had a sentence or two out of his mouth, then the president started commenting. ‘Who is affected by that? What is this going to do?’” said Mr. Durbin, the sole Democrat of a dozen people present.

The President of the United States asked questions! Disgusting! The President wanted to know “Who is affected by that? What is this going to do?’” Don’t you understand, Mr. President, that Huddled Masses and Wretched Refuse are affected by that. They are who we are. Except, simultaneously, they are holier than us. They redeem us. That’s all you need to know.

“It was a very tough conversation starting immediately.”

“The language that was used, the attitude of the president, the expressions he made when it came to immigration just stunned me,” Mr. Durbin said.

I was shocked, shocked to find hard-headed questions being asked in the Oval Office.

Mr. Durbin, who has been in Congress for more than three decades and is no stranger to political back rooms, said the meeting was not the usual case of salty language shared among politicians gathered behind closed doors.

“It was beyond, and the intensity of the president’s feeling, and what he said there, as well as many other epithets during the course of it, I was surprised and shocked in a way,” he said, noting that upon his return to the Capitol, some colleagues commented on his demeanor.

I was shocked, I tell you.

“They said, ‘You look shaken,’ and I said I was,” he said. “After you have been in politics as long I have, it takes something to shake you up.”

And shaken, but not stirred.

Sadly, this NYT article didn’t mention my favorite moment of the meeting. From Real Clear Politics:

Durbin continued, “When it came to the issue of, quote, ‘chain migration,’ I said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people? African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.”

“[Trump] said, ‘Oh, that’s a good line.’”

 
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  1. Ricky Vaughn [AKA "Dick Durbin Trigger Warning"] says:

    Wow just wow. I can’t even. Doesn’t Drumph know this is 2018? Literally shaking.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ricky Vaughn

    "Literally shaking"?lol grow up you fucking pussy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  2. I’m so old that I remember when the narrative about Trump is that he didn’t care about policy specifics.

    Just last week.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @countenance

    Exactly. And he didn't want to be president, either. A total lark...

  3. Washington is Hollywood for ugly people, complete with the overacting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @candid_observer


    Washington is Hollywood for ugly people, complete with the overacting.
     
    Hey, haven't you seen the new Star Wars movie? Now Hollywood is Hollywood for ugly people.

    OtT: Star Wars - the Last Jedi yanked from many Chinese theaters after only two weeks:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-star-wars-last-jedi-164935000.html

  4. I repeat: Trump is the first president in history ever to use “coarse language”.

    Or the first ever to use it about a topic as sacred as uncontrolled immigration.

    Or something like that. Anyway, I remain shocked. As I know we all do.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    I've listened to the old Presidential tapes: JFK, LBJ, and Nixon all had some *serious* potty mouths.

    The funny thing is, Trump really doesn't seem at all enthusiastic about the idea of deporting the DREAMer crowd and wants an easy way out. He's indicated as much repeatedly all year long. But if there's one way the Democrats can surely override that sentiment, it is attacking not deportation based on policy merits, but the ability of the executive to influence immigration policy, period, as a matter of morality, unless it entails capitulation to the pseudo-open borders the intelligentsia class has more or less openly embraced by now. That's a direct challenge to his authority, and if there's one thing that sets Trump off like a stuck bull, it is personal challenges in this vein. The Donald does not back down easy, for better or worse, and is not a particularly cautious personality during such moments. The NYT line on this seems insanely calculated to produce the exact opposite reaction that they want from the White House-whose party controls, for now, all three branches of government. They want concessions, not surrender.

    Besides, the idea that we've never favored and disfavored certain groups in immigration policy is not only completely ahistorical (case in point: Cubans from JFK onwards), it is incredibly politically stupid: with the exception of the trickle-down huckster types (Ryan, Graham), even DACA compromise-favoring Republicans by and large don't view a DACA compromise as the first step toward mass legalization. They rather view it as a concession (taking in what are, both objectively and subjectively speaking, probably the least worst illegals) in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals. If Democrats misread this situation in this manner, it'll come back to haunt them later, especially if the GOP decides the only way they can make their voice heard over the increasingly ridiculous media is to deport a few of them to show they aren't averse to putting their foot down.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  5. Maybe all the cry-babies on here who thought Trump would go soft on immigration after Sloppy Steve left will feel better now. Trump campaigned on immigration restriction for over a year before Bannon was hired and he clearly still believes in it.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jean Ralphio

    If Stephen Miller left I would be concerned about him going soft. Trump is a restrictionist at heart, but would cut a deal if he got tired of the haggling or felt like it would help him head off a scandal. No one will ever convince me Trump has a strong knowledge of the details.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @anon

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Jean Ralphio

    The eeyore is never defeated. He only runs back to his safe space and regroups for another bray.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Jean Ralphio

    You do have a point. Consider me chastened.

  6. Someone somewhere must have iPhone footage of Durbin engaging in locker room banter or making racist or sexist remarks.

    He’s just too sleazy to not have a history.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
  7. Entire comments section of New York Times completely agrees with Senator Durbin and lays all blame on Trump & his supposed “racism”. It is quite impressive how much the liberal & liberal-leaning population hates Trump even when he is just doing his job.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @rogue-one

    The NYT has been touting the racist, sexist, misogynist narrative for so long none if its readers can remember when it didn't. The perfect definition of sheep...

    , @Anonymous
    @rogue-one

    Doing his job is the very last thing they want Trump to do.

    , @J.Ross
    @rogue-one

    The situation you describe could be the result of deleting dissident comments. We must always assume so given Channel Four's recent failed attempt to memory hole the Petersen interview and the lately well-demonstrated tendencies of major media. If this assumption upsets professional journalists they could always just recognize the first amendment.

  8. who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades

    Which means that they aren’t actually young anymore. Seriously, aren’t a good chunk of the DACA tail end Gen-Xers? Not quite as sympathetic when it’s some middle aged dude, so those guys don’t get used in too many photo-ops.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Jon



    who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades
     
    Which means that they aren’t actually young anymore. Seriously, aren’t a good chunk of the DACA tail end Gen-Xers? Not quite as sympathetic when it’s some middle aged dude, so those guys don’t get used in too many photo-ops.

     

    That jumped out at me too. Both Durbin and the NYT author are so far up their own rear ends that the idea of a man in high public office for decades "protecting" people from the nightmare of deportation while millions more pile in to the nation doesn't seem at all discordant to them. To us it's an admission - Dick Durbin doesn't care one whit about U.S. sovereignty and has dedicated his career in office to attracting and keeping these people here.
  9. The story of the Trump administration: Trump gets something done, his opponents cry about his vocabulary.
    As embarassing as it is that we have any discussions about government shutdowns amd true budget reform never being an option, Republicans of late always avoided it. Democrats appear to be enthusuastically diving head-first into their own trap, and in the name of foreigners.

  10. Of course, this is when he decided to leak the sh*thole comment to try to get a leg back up, which was later debunked by Cotton and Purdue.

    I linked to Chucky Schumer trying to force Tom Cotton off the field in the immigration debate earlier. It’s pretty clear the plan was for Lindsey Graham(nesty), Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner to agree to what the Democrats wanted, slap a “bipartisan” label on the deal, and for Graham to butter Trump up over golf. When that didn’t work, smear Trump as a racist, shut the government down, and try to arm twist him into amnesty.

    A couple thoughts:

    1) What to make of Trump? Is he really (per “Fire and Fury”) so dull that he’ll just go along with whatever the last person he heard from says? Graham and Durbin seem to think so. The “Gang of Six” has been going overboard to try to smear Tom Cotton and Stephen Miller and keep them away from Trump. A lot of conservatives on Twitter, Breitbart, and supposedly Republican House members, had a collective pucker today when they heard that Trump was talking one-on-one with Chuck Schumer (who collects Republicans’ virginities and forgets their number in the morning, see George H.W. Bush and “read my lips,” Marco Rubio and the “Gang of Eight”).

    Or was Trump a cagey bastard enough to lull the Gang of Six into a false sense of security before springing the trap on them Thursday?

    2) The Democrats are really doubling down hard, smearing Trump as a racist, smearing anyone who critiques unlimited immigration from third world countries as a racist, and now shutting down the government. The reasons aren’t hard to fathom: they’re going hard core on the demographic replacement strategy: elect a new people who will elect Democrats forever.

    Assuming that’s their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they’re going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the “arc of history”) away from it. They’ll never agree to an end to chain migration, to the diversity lottery, to e-Verify, a big expansion of ICE, none of it. (I wouldn’t be surprise if they agree to the wall, probably expecting to kill it later, but honestly the wall might be the least important immigration measure Trump could seek, it’s more symbolic and, at least, something that won’t just go away with the next President once it’s built).

    So what’s the end game here? The only ways I see this ending are that Trump cucks out to end the shutdown and notch a “win,” McConnell kills the legislative filibuster and they force a package through (call it the Republican version of Obamacare), or the DACA deadline arrives and Trump does… something, or nothing maybe.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Are you really that beaten down that Trump beating his foes like a drum is somehow retconned in your mind as a near catastrophe.

    I cannot imagine the hollow chested soymales some of you must be IRL.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @istevefan
    @Thomas


    Assuming that’s their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they’re going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the “arc of history”) away from it.
     
    People must realize that those pushing diversity are not going to announce one day that the USA is diverse and then stop. There is no formula or magic number, except possibly no more whites, that serves as a metric to indicate when the USA is fully diverse.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    That was an interesting and well-written comment, Thomas (liked the humor about Schumer too). I don't know when enough people are going to get wise enough to make an effort to get Grahmnesty, Ryan, and all the cucks out of high office.

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    , @Yak-15
    @Thomas

    I have never seen a person so self-assured and tucked into the correctness of his/her opinion as DJT. If DJT truly spits fire on immigration like the NYT article says, he will not cave. He wins.

  11. Like those journalists always claiming to be “literally shaking” after Trump’s rallies and his Phoenix immigration speech (which was no more hard-line than stuff Bill Clinton had said in the 1990s).

    That may actually be true considering so many of these reporters are probably in their 20s and only knew Obama as president since they were teenagers. That and they have little historical education in politics. Ever heard of LBJ?

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Anonymous IV

    Stop being so ageist! We millennials know more history than that! "El BJ" means the Lewinski scandal, right?

  12. Oh my gosh, the President invited experts on the policy to the meeting!

    The only thing more Hitler than when Trump doesn’t listen to experts is when he does.

  13. Dick is really obsessed with shitholes….

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Anonymous


    Dick is really obsessed with shitholes....
     
    Maybe that's why he's spending so much time with Lindsey Graham lately. Dude's an expert on dicks and shitholes.
  14. “They said, ‘You look shaken,’ and I said I was,” he said.

  15. @countenance
    I'm so old that I remember when the narrative about Trump is that he didn't care about policy specifics.

    Just last week.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Exactly. And he didn’t want to be president, either. A total lark…

  16. >> “Oh, that’s a good line.

    Trump should also not be so niggardly towards those tender flowers, the dreamers.

    Doesn’t Trump know that sarcasm is a tool of the patriarchy meant to humiliate women (and twisted panties like Dick Durbin and Lindsay Graham).

    Trump brightens my day.

  17. @rogue-one
    Entire comments section of New York Times completely agrees with Senator Durbin and lays all blame on Trump & his supposed "racism". It is quite impressive how much the liberal & liberal-leaning population hates Trump even when he is just doing his job.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    The NYT has been touting the racist, sexist, misogynist narrative for so long none if its readers can remember when it didn’t. The perfect definition of sheep…

  18. By the bye, somebody is tweeting on John McCain’s account, but when was the last time he was seen in pubic or photographed? He is a potentially important Senate vote right now. I’d note that he’s at the median survival time from diagnosis for Glioblastoma Multiforme in patients over 65 as of this month.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    Do you think they'd have the gall to run the old Soviet-Union-Inner-Party/Weekend-at-Bernie's ploy? Arizona has got really dry air, which goes in their favor ...

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    , @mjazzguitar
    @Thomas

    People with brain cancer should be voting.
    He'd vote against Trump anyway, because Trump got to be president and he didn't.

  19. Durbin has always been an overly-dramatic goofball. About a decade back, the guy was at some event for Native Americans in Illinois, and he was supposed to speak. As soon as he reached the podium, he burst into tears, and and ran off the stage. This struck even his fellow liberals as, um, kinda odd, but there was no fall-out for Senator Durbin, because his antics were simply left unreported by his Democratic allies in the dominant press outlets. I only know this occurred, because I know a guy who was present for it.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    How did the Democrats let a guy like this be their so-styled second most important senator? I mean, no offense, but so sensitive a person will hardly do anything useful in politics.

  20. [Trump] said, ‘Oh, that’s a good line.’”

    Again, I’m reminded of Trump with with Ali-G. You can’t bullshit a bullshitter. Durbin is so used to people nodding piously when he utters his PC doubletalk that he was shocked when someone called him on it. Most Senators have far too high an opinion of themselves but Durbin takes the cake.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen, Desiderius
  21. @Jean Ralphio
    Maybe all the cry-babies on here who thought Trump would go soft on immigration after Sloppy Steve left will feel better now. Trump campaigned on immigration restriction for over a year before Bannon was hired and he clearly still believes in it.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Jack Hanson, @TomSchmidt

    If Stephen Miller left I would be concerned about him going soft. Trump is a restrictionist at heart, but would cut a deal if he got tired of the haggling or felt like it would help him head off a scandal. No one will ever convince me Trump has a strong knowledge of the details.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Barnard

    Thanks for that last line. Lets me know you can be safely ignored as you have nothing to add to the discussion.

    , @anon
    @Barnard

    Realistically, Stephen Miller isn't influencing Trump on a personal level. He's almost 40 years Trump's junior... no way. He's basically a technical specialist-- behind the scene policy details/wrangling and some speech writing. He's like the Quant attached to the BSD.

    That's not to diminish his importance. He performs a vital role, but he's not in a position to be personally pushing back against the President. John "The Deacon of Deportation" Kelly is probably the one who serves that role.

  22. Durbin probably prefers the version by the Self Righteous Brothers:

  23. African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    I still don’t understand how Durbin gets to refer to blacks as migrants. The last time someone called them migrants there was a national emergency and a full day of mourning and 24 hours of ten minutes of hate sessions.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @iffen


    African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.
     
    Senator, I am shocked to hear anyone make such a demagogic, racist claim about our African-American citizens!

    "Uh...what?"

    Didn't you just claim that all Blacks are pussies?!?


    (one probably wouldn't gain much by using the word "pussies" on national TV, but I'm not sure what other, equivalent term exists..."wimps" just doesn't have the same bite.)
  24. @Jean Ralphio
    Maybe all the cry-babies on here who thought Trump would go soft on immigration after Sloppy Steve left will feel better now. Trump campaigned on immigration restriction for over a year before Bannon was hired and he clearly still believes in it.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Jack Hanson, @TomSchmidt

    The eeyore is never defeated. He only runs back to his safe space and regroups for another bray.

  25. @rogue-one
    Entire comments section of New York Times completely agrees with Senator Durbin and lays all blame on Trump & his supposed "racism". It is quite impressive how much the liberal & liberal-leaning population hates Trump even when he is just doing his job.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    Doing his job is the very last thing they want Trump to do.

  26. This was a huge issue with the last administration: Obama didn’t have enough real-world experience to get in there and ask tough, probing questions when setting policy. Asking tough questions and making people feel uncomfortable is part of effective management but there’s absolutely no way Obama could have done it with his history of waltzing through Harvard and then becoming a Community Organizer.

    Of course, that was by design. Obama was easily manipulated by the swamp and Wall Street took advantage of it to get off scot-free after the Subprime crisis. If anything this article raises my esteem for Donald Trump.

  27. @Thomas
    Of course, this is when he decided to leak the sh*thole comment to try to get a leg back up, which was later debunked by Cotton and Purdue.

    I linked to Chucky Schumer trying to force Tom Cotton off the field in the immigration debate earlier. It's pretty clear the plan was for Lindsey Graham(nesty), Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner to agree to what the Democrats wanted, slap a "bipartisan" label on the deal, and for Graham to butter Trump up over golf. When that didn't work, smear Trump as a racist, shut the government down, and try to arm twist him into amnesty.

    A couple thoughts:

    1) What to make of Trump? Is he really (per "Fire and Fury") so dull that he'll just go along with whatever the last person he heard from says? Graham and Durbin seem to think so. The "Gang of Six" has been going overboard to try to smear Tom Cotton and Stephen Miller and keep them away from Trump. A lot of conservatives on Twitter, Breitbart, and supposedly Republican House members, had a collective pucker today when they heard that Trump was talking one-on-one with Chuck Schumer (who collects Republicans' virginities and forgets their number in the morning, see George H.W. Bush and "read my lips," Marco Rubio and the "Gang of Eight").

    Or was Trump a cagey bastard enough to lull the Gang of Six into a false sense of security before springing the trap on them Thursday?

    2) The Democrats are really doubling down hard, smearing Trump as a racist, smearing anyone who critiques unlimited immigration from third world countries as a racist, and now shutting down the government. The reasons aren't hard to fathom: they're going hard core on the demographic replacement strategy: elect a new people who will elect Democrats forever.

    Assuming that's their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they're going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the "arc of history") away from it. They'll never agree to an end to chain migration, to the diversity lottery, to e-Verify, a big expansion of ICE, none of it. (I wouldn't be surprise if they agree to the wall, probably expecting to kill it later, but honestly the wall might be the least important immigration measure Trump could seek, it's more symbolic and, at least, something that won't just go away with the next President once it's built).

    So what's the end game here? The only ways I see this ending are that Trump cucks out to end the shutdown and notch a "win," McConnell kills the legislative filibuster and they force a package through (call it the Republican version of Obamacare), or the DACA deadline arrives and Trump does... something, or nothing maybe.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @istevefan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Are you really that beaten down that Trump beating his foes like a drum is somehow retconned in your mind as a near catastrophe.

    I cannot imagine the hollow chested soymales some of you must be IRL.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Who has Trump beaten like a drum? He handed off the critical issue of his entire presidency to Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner for the last three months. Anybody who has followed immigration debates with even half a brain over the last decade could have predicted the result.

    Is there an alternative proposal? The Goodlatte bill in the House looks like it does most of what Trump wants and supposedly it’ll get a vote as payback for the Freedom Caucus agreeing to the CR. Is Trump behind it? He won’t say.

    The “MAGA, 144d chess” chorus will always take motion for movement and their own cheerleading for their guy in any penny-ante controversy for success, but I still have yet to see Trump personally take the ball on anything and advance further than “generic Republican President” would. Maybe this’ll be the decisive moment he finally will. Or maybe he won’t be able to stand a government shutdown on the anniversary of his inauguration, will go for whatever deal Chucky throws him, and will “take the heat” on it.

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @Jack Hanson

  28. While reading the article, I was getting the impression that Dick Durbin and Lindsay Graham are too close. I guess that’s what Durbin means when he says immigration reform is a “bipartisan” effort.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @JohnnyD

    English: bipartisan
    DC-speak: buy-partisan

  29. Durbin’s act is to act like Little Miss Prim and Proper who has to deal with beasts in Washington DC. It’s always disgusting to see on TV but thankfully I have missed out for a while. In 2005 he got the nickname Dick Turban. After he—

    06/15/2005
    U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., is coming under heavy fire after saying American treatment of terror detainees at the Guantanamo Naval Base is comparable to torture at the hands of Nazis, Soviet gulags and even Cambodian mass murderer Pol Pot.

  30. Dick Durbin has an interesting definition of immigration, to include the slave trade.

    Marc Benioff seems to agree with him…

    But Kamala Harris seems to believe we are a nation of immigrants, Indians, and slaves.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    It is looking like all US Native American Indians were from a second wave that displaced/genocided the first wave of human beings to come to America, except for part of South America where they intermixed. And Eskimos appear to be from a THIRD wave that killed off the second wave in the far north.

    , @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    Harris also leaves out those who migrated from one part of the British/Spanish/Dutch/French kingdoms to another in the Americas, which is no more immigration than moving from Maine to Hawaii now.

    And yet another group would best be described neither as slaves, immigrants, internal migrants, or settlers, but as conquerors.

    , @JimB
    @Dave Pinsen

    Kamala Harris ran the most idiotic senate campaign in California history but won anyway, thanks to Reagan’s 1986 amnesty. Essentially, because of the permanent progressive majority, Californians choices for US senator in 2016 were former SF mayor Willie Brown’s cum dump or a Hispanic single mother.

    We elected the temper tantrum throwing cum dump who burned through her campaign cash staying in four star hotels, eating at gourmet restaurants, and being chauffeured around in limos while her staff stayed at Budget Inns, ate at Taco Bell, and had to take Uber. I preferred the Hispanic single mother who I guessed might have some awareness of the importance of a budget.

    , @Luke Lea
    @Dave Pinsen

    Also a lot of white indentured servants, some orphans kidnapped off the streets of London.

  31. @Barnard
    @Jean Ralphio

    If Stephen Miller left I would be concerned about him going soft. Trump is a restrictionist at heart, but would cut a deal if he got tired of the haggling or felt like it would help him head off a scandal. No one will ever convince me Trump has a strong knowledge of the details.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @anon

    Thanks for that last line. Lets me know you can be safely ignored as you have nothing to add to the discussion.

  32. Schumer, usually always ready to ham for the cameras, gave a very terse statement and looked pretty passed off leaving the WH today.

    He looked like he got merc’d hard by trump.

  33. I think Durbin and Graham finally realize they are on the wrong side of an issue that will ultimately destroy the establishment. If Trump stops the third worlding of the US through mass immigration, he will enter the pantheon of great presidents.

    • Replies: @gunner29
    @JimB


    If Trump stops the third worlding of the US through mass immigration, he will enter the pantheon of great presidents.
     
    I agree, but if he can't, anybody that's a conservative would be rounded up and sent to a re-education camp for a couple of years, or more. Confiscate any and all guns they may own. Think of what the typical lefty did during the last century when they got power over the gobt. Eliminate the other side...

    We dodged a bullet with Trump winning, let's not waste it and let the libtards gather strength to make another run at creating a turd world shithole.
  34. Chain migration hurts blacks in reality.

  35. It was a strange scam they tried to trick Trump with. He said he wanted a deal with wall funding and chain migration. Then a “deal” was reached between Dem leadership and the Rubio/Flake open borders GOP faction that had like 5% of the needed wall funding plus only limited chain migration of DACA parents’ relatives, who would get an amnesty. This is a double scam because they currently cannot sponsor chain migration anyway as illegals. Plus a provision that says DACA parents get amnesty and become citizens but do not have the chain migration rights of other citizens is probably unconstitutional and would quickly be stripped from the law.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Lot

    The Dems think bipartisan means something they and Lindsey Graham agree on. He's their beard.

  36. How DARE Trump embarrass the blushing virgin that is Dick Durban!

    Is Durban just play acting this effeminate routine to get SJW money or is he legitimately a giant pussy?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Gunner

    Is Durban just play acting this effeminate routine to get SJW money or is he legitimately a giant pussy?

    Well. He grew up in East St Louis, so I have the suspicion that he might have heard worse at some point.

  37. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Are you really that beaten down that Trump beating his foes like a drum is somehow retconned in your mind as a near catastrophe.

    I cannot imagine the hollow chested soymales some of you must be IRL.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Who has Trump beaten like a drum? He handed off the critical issue of his entire presidency to Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner for the last three months. Anybody who has followed immigration debates with even half a brain over the last decade could have predicted the result.

    Is there an alternative proposal? The Goodlatte bill in the House looks like it does most of what Trump wants and supposedly it’ll get a vote as payback for the Freedom Caucus agreeing to the CR. Is Trump behind it? He won’t say.

    The “MAGA, 144d chess” chorus will always take motion for movement and their own cheerleading for their guy in any penny-ante controversy for success, but I still have yet to see Trump personally take the ball on anything and advance further than “generic Republican President” would. Maybe this’ll be the decisive moment he finally will. Or maybe he won’t be able to stand a government shutdown on the anniversary of his inauguration, will go for whatever deal Chucky throws him, and will “take the heat” on it.

    • LOL: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Thomas

    Generic Republican President would have attempted amnesty by now, and we'd be mired in Syria fighting for ISIS

    DACA is leverage. If eliminated last year he would still be smeared as a racist and it would be off the table as a bargaining chip. If nothing happens it will simply lapse this year

    He is not an Emperor and has to work with the legislative. Since Republicans are unable to deliver, they have to be 'encouraged'

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah, that's exactly what he has done versus doing what he does best: talk his enemies into setting themselves on fire in the most spectacular way.

    Right now the Dems are facing an internal revolt as the red state dems are going to lose their seats if they go along with Schumer's strategy of failure.

    We had a generic Republican president in Bush I and II, who liked to start ground wars, refuse to end TPS, and made kissy faces with the Republicans. This ain't 14D chess, this is Trump rolling his foes while autistic eeyores like yourself are either unable to or refuse to realise that while Trump can't act unilaterally, he is stomping the shit out of the opposition right.

    A brief look at your posting career shows, yet again, another eeyore with his ball gag predicting a dooooooom that never comes.

    Replies: @Thomas

  38. @Dave Pinsen
    Dick Durbin has an interesting definition of immigration, to include the slave trade.

    Marc Benioff seems to agree with him...

    https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/954053728742490112

    But Kamala Harris seems to believe we are a nation of immigrants, Indians, and slaves.

    https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/951597530227331072

    Replies: @Lot, @Lot, @JimB, @Luke Lea

    It is looking like all US Native American Indians were from a second wave that displaced/genocided the first wave of human beings to come to America, except for part of South America where they intermixed. And Eskimos appear to be from a THIRD wave that killed off the second wave in the far north.

  39. @Anonymous
    Dick is really obsessed with shitholes....

    Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Dick is really obsessed with shitholes….

    Maybe that’s why he’s spending so much time with Lindsey Graham lately. Dude’s an expert on dicks and shitholes.

  40. @Dave Pinsen
    Dick Durbin has an interesting definition of immigration, to include the slave trade.

    Marc Benioff seems to agree with him...

    https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/954053728742490112

    But Kamala Harris seems to believe we are a nation of immigrants, Indians, and slaves.

    https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/951597530227331072

    Replies: @Lot, @Lot, @JimB, @Luke Lea

    Harris also leaves out those who migrated from one part of the British/Spanish/Dutch/French kingdoms to another in the Americas, which is no more immigration than moving from Maine to Hawaii now.

    And yet another group would best be described neither as slaves, immigrants, internal migrants, or settlers, but as conquerors.

  41. @Dave Pinsen
    Dick Durbin has an interesting definition of immigration, to include the slave trade.

    Marc Benioff seems to agree with him...

    https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/954053728742490112

    But Kamala Harris seems to believe we are a nation of immigrants, Indians, and slaves.

    https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/951597530227331072

    Replies: @Lot, @Lot, @JimB, @Luke Lea

    Kamala Harris ran the most idiotic senate campaign in California history but won anyway, thanks to Reagan’s 1986 amnesty. Essentially, because of the permanent progressive majority, Californians choices for US senator in 2016 were former SF mayor Willie Brown’s cum dump or a Hispanic single mother.

    We elected the temper tantrum throwing cum dump who burned through her campaign cash staying in four star hotels, eating at gourmet restaurants, and being chauffeured around in limos while her staff stayed at Budget Inns, ate at Taco Bell, and had to take Uber. I preferred the Hispanic single mother who I guessed might have some awareness of the importance of a budget.

  42. footage of the meeting

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @EriK

    Hey, look. Jeffrey Jones.

  43. … said Mr. Durbin, the sole Democrat of a dozen people present.

    Now you know how it feels, Durbin, being a patriotic conservative on a TV talk show. Plus you had Ms. Grahmnesty covering your 6.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Ms. Grahmnesty covering your 6.
     
    That is a very disturbing image...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  44. @JimB
    I think Durbin and Graham finally realize they are on the wrong side of an issue that will ultimately destroy the establishment. If Trump stops the third worlding of the US through mass immigration, he will enter the pantheon of great presidents.

    Replies: @gunner29

    If Trump stops the third worlding of the US through mass immigration, he will enter the pantheon of great presidents.

    I agree, but if he can’t, anybody that’s a conservative would be rounded up and sent to a re-education camp for a couple of years, or more. Confiscate any and all guns they may own. Think of what the typical lefty did during the last century when they got power over the gobt. Eliminate the other side…

    We dodged a bullet with Trump winning, let’s not waste it and let the libtards gather strength to make another run at creating a turd world shithole.

  45. @iffen
    African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    I still don't understand how Durbin gets to refer to blacks as migrants. The last time someone called them migrants there was a national emergency and a full day of mourning and 24 hours of ten minutes of hate sessions.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    Senator, I am shocked to hear anyone make such a demagogic, racist claim about our African-American citizens!

    “Uh…what?”

    Didn’t you just claim that all Blacks are pussies?!?

    (one probably wouldn’t gain much by using the word “pussies” on national TV, but I’m not sure what other, equivalent term exists…”wimps” just doesn’t have the same bite.)

  46. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Durbin has always been an overly-dramatic goofball. About a decade back, the guy was at some event for Native Americans in Illinois, and he was supposed to speak. As soon as he reached the podium, he burst into tears, and and ran off the stage. This struck even his fellow liberals as, um, kinda odd, but there was no fall-out for Senator Durbin, because his antics were simply left unreported by his Democratic allies in the dominant press outlets. I only know this occurred, because I know a guy who was present for it.

    Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    How did the Democrats let a guy like this be their so-styled second most important senator? I mean, no offense, but so sensitive a person will hardly do anything useful in politics.

  47. Anonymous [AKA "Getbent"] says:
    @Ricky Vaughn
    Wow just wow. I can’t even. Doesn’t Drumph know this is 2018? Literally shaking.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Literally shaking”?lol grow up you fucking pussy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    “Literally shaking”?lol grow up you fucking pussy.
     
    He was joking.
  48. @rogue-one
    Entire comments section of New York Times completely agrees with Senator Durbin and lays all blame on Trump & his supposed "racism". It is quite impressive how much the liberal & liberal-leaning population hates Trump even when he is just doing his job.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Anonymous, @J.Ross

    The situation you describe could be the result of deleting dissident comments. We must always assume so given Channel Four’s recent failed attempt to memory hole the Petersen interview and the lately well-demonstrated tendencies of major media. If this assumption upsets professional journalists they could always just recognize the first amendment.

  49. @Gunner
    How DARE Trump embarrass the blushing virgin that is Dick Durban!

    Is Durban just play acting this effeminate routine to get SJW money or is he legitimately a giant pussy?

    Replies: @anon

    Is Durban just play acting this effeminate routine to get SJW money or is he legitimately a giant pussy?

    Well. He grew up in East St Louis, so I have the suspicion that he might have heard worse at some point.

  50. “Oh, that’s a good line…”

    Brilliant putdown by Trump. In one line he demonstrated he doesn’t buy Little Dick Durbin’s’s fake emotion for a second. Little Dick got so hurt his act wasn’t being bought he whined about it to the press, and it only makes him seem like even more of a phony than before.

    I recall when Chucky Schumer made that big speech with Pelosi about immigration and started his fake tears. Trump roasted him for it, showing he didn’t buy it, and Schumer got laughed at.

    Call out these fakers on their fakery and they will spazz out and make themselves look worse.

    Serious question:
    How did we keep losing to these guys for so long? These guys literally are horrid fakers who commit own goals each and every time someone puts a little pressure on them. Seriously, we’ve been losing the culture war and immigration war to them for 50 years, and all it took to beat them was a few snarky quips and calling them out as being full of it.

    It’s almost like the R’s were deliberately trying to lose. (hint hint)

  51. Senators Lindsey Graham and Richard J. Durbin found themselves in a condition unfamiliar to such veteran politicians: speechless

    LOL – ad infinitum

  52. It’s a good thing Durbin is too young to have attended any Oval Office meetings with Lyndon Baines Johnson. While checking the veracity of LBJ’s oft-quoted response upon the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years,” I went to Snopes, which listed it as “unverified”; however, it adds other examples of Johnson saying much the same thing.

    https://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

    Durbin being the low-life party hack that he is, I’m sure he would have kept such statements to himself had they been uttered by a Democrat leader .

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment, it's just like Fact Check Dot Org or PolitiFact, or the London man who calls himself The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, or for that matter the Syrian Lesbian who turned out to be a fat white guy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Harry Baldwin


    I went to Snopes...
     
    I trust Snopes as much as I trust Wikipedia. Or Politico. Or Vox. Or HuffPo...
  53. @Harry Baldwin
    It's a good thing Durbin is too young to have attended any Oval Office meetings with Lyndon Baines Johnson. While checking the veracity of LBJ's oft-quoted response upon the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, "I'll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years," I went to Snopes, which listed it as "unverified"; however, it adds other examples of Johnson saying much the same thing.

    https://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

    Durbin being the low-life party hack that he is, I'm sure he would have kept such statements to himself had they been uttered by a Democrat leader .

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jim Don Bob

    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment, it’s just like Fact Check Dot Org or PolitiFact, or the London man who calls himself The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, or for that matter the Syrian Lesbian who turned out to be a fat white guy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment,......
     
    Indeed. Snopes is a dumpster-fire:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fact-checker-arbitrate-fake-news-accused-defrauding-website-pay-prostitutes-staff-includes-escort-porn-star-Vice-Vixen-domme.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    I know that, that's why it's interesting that they provided several examples of Johnson using the n-word.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @ben tillman
    @J.Ross

    Even so, Snopes confirmed that it's not some Internet rumor. Snopes conceded that the quote appears in a biography of LBJ.

  54. I call BS on all of what Durbin says. He is a lying SOS.

    Bipartisan to the Ds means roll over and do it my way. The Rs are usually very ready to oblige. DJT (PBUH) not so much.

    Go get ’em, Donald!

  55. @Harry Baldwin
    It's a good thing Durbin is too young to have attended any Oval Office meetings with Lyndon Baines Johnson. While checking the veracity of LBJ's oft-quoted response upon the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, "I'll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years," I went to Snopes, which listed it as "unverified"; however, it adds other examples of Johnson saying much the same thing.

    https://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

    Durbin being the low-life party hack that he is, I'm sure he would have kept such statements to himself had they been uttered by a Democrat leader .

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jim Don Bob

    I went to Snopes…

    I trust Snopes as much as I trust Wikipedia. Or Politico. Or Vox. Or HuffPo…

  56. http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-black-fainting-couch.html

    “Also trips to Home Depot are very traumatizing. You know they have ropes and chains in that place?”

  57. @Anonymous
    I repeat: Trump is the first president in history ever to use "coarse language".

    Or the first ever to use it about a topic as sacred as uncontrolled immigration.

    Or something like that. Anyway, I remain shocked. As I know we all do.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I’ve listened to the old Presidential tapes: JFK, LBJ, and Nixon all had some *serious* potty mouths.

    The funny thing is, Trump really doesn’t seem at all enthusiastic about the idea of deporting the DREAMer crowd and wants an easy way out. He’s indicated as much repeatedly all year long. But if there’s one way the Democrats can surely override that sentiment, it is attacking not deportation based on policy merits, but the ability of the executive to influence immigration policy, period, as a matter of morality, unless it entails capitulation to the pseudo-open borders the intelligentsia class has more or less openly embraced by now. That’s a direct challenge to his authority, and if there’s one thing that sets Trump off like a stuck bull, it is personal challenges in this vein. The Donald does not back down easy, for better or worse, and is not a particularly cautious personality during such moments. The NYT line on this seems insanely calculated to produce the exact opposite reaction that they want from the White House-whose party controls, for now, all three branches of government. They want concessions, not surrender.

    Besides, the idea that we’ve never favored and disfavored certain groups in immigration policy is not only completely ahistorical (case in point: Cubans from JFK onwards), it is incredibly politically stupid: with the exception of the trickle-down huckster types (Ryan, Graham), even DACA compromise-favoring Republicans by and large don’t view a DACA compromise as the first step toward mass legalization. They rather view it as a concession (taking in what are, both objectively and subjectively speaking, probably the least worst illegals) in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals. If Democrats misread this situation in this manner, it’ll come back to haunt them later, especially if the GOP decides the only way they can make their voice heard over the increasingly ridiculous media is to deport a few of them to show they aren’t averse to putting their foot down.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    PS:

    In places like the Rust Belt that will be very important to the Democrats in both '18 and '20, one of the few things I can imagine that manages to prove to be an equal burden to the Democrats that the insane GOP tax bill-vastly unpopular with everybody except their donors-is now for the Republicans, might be if the Democrats decide to shut down the government for the sake of illegal aliens. I literally cannot think of better propaganda for the Trump reelection campaign. (Well, almost-I suppose the neocons migrating back to the Democrats, where they really do belong in the proper scheme of things combined with new frentic public activity on their part might outstrip that. But that's another story.)

    Ezra Klein has one vote. Working class whites in the Rust Belt have millions. And no matter how hard the ideologues try, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that'll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Discordiax

  58. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... said Mr. Durbin, the sole Democrat of a dozen people present.
     
    Now you know how it feels, Durbin, being a patriotic conservative on a TV talk show. Plus you had Ms. Grahmnesty covering your 6.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Ms. Grahmnesty covering your 6.

    That is a very disturbing image…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Coemgen

    Hey, it helps get it out of my mind, if I put it down on unz!

    (yeah, I meant it this way. ;-} )

  59. That sounds like the Trump I voted for!

  60. @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    I've listened to the old Presidential tapes: JFK, LBJ, and Nixon all had some *serious* potty mouths.

    The funny thing is, Trump really doesn't seem at all enthusiastic about the idea of deporting the DREAMer crowd and wants an easy way out. He's indicated as much repeatedly all year long. But if there's one way the Democrats can surely override that sentiment, it is attacking not deportation based on policy merits, but the ability of the executive to influence immigration policy, period, as a matter of morality, unless it entails capitulation to the pseudo-open borders the intelligentsia class has more or less openly embraced by now. That's a direct challenge to his authority, and if there's one thing that sets Trump off like a stuck bull, it is personal challenges in this vein. The Donald does not back down easy, for better or worse, and is not a particularly cautious personality during such moments. The NYT line on this seems insanely calculated to produce the exact opposite reaction that they want from the White House-whose party controls, for now, all three branches of government. They want concessions, not surrender.

    Besides, the idea that we've never favored and disfavored certain groups in immigration policy is not only completely ahistorical (case in point: Cubans from JFK onwards), it is incredibly politically stupid: with the exception of the trickle-down huckster types (Ryan, Graham), even DACA compromise-favoring Republicans by and large don't view a DACA compromise as the first step toward mass legalization. They rather view it as a concession (taking in what are, both objectively and subjectively speaking, probably the least worst illegals) in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals. If Democrats misread this situation in this manner, it'll come back to haunt them later, especially if the GOP decides the only way they can make their voice heard over the increasingly ridiculous media is to deport a few of them to show they aren't averse to putting their foot down.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    PS:

    In places like the Rust Belt that will be very important to the Democrats in both ’18 and ’20, one of the few things I can imagine that manages to prove to be an equal burden to the Democrats that the insane GOP tax bill-vastly unpopular with everybody except their donors-is now for the Republicans, might be if the Democrats decide to shut down the government for the sake of illegal aliens. I literally cannot think of better propaganda for the Trump reelection campaign. (Well, almost-I suppose the neocons migrating back to the Democrats, where they really do belong in the proper scheme of things combined with new frentic public activity on their part might outstrip that. But that’s another story.)

    Ezra Klein has one vote. Working class whites in the Rust Belt have millions. And no matter how hard the ideologues try, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that’ll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @nebulafox


    Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that’ll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.
     
    Won't matter. Florida tipped last year. Texas and Arizona probably last week. And so on.

    Fight demography all you want--without mass deportation it's quite useless.
    , @Discordiax
    @nebulafox

    I was a big skeptic of the tax bill, both politically for the Republicans and for the country economically (facing an entitlement debt crisis, tax cuts are a--counterintuitive solution.) But politically, all the news about the tax bill has been about companies increasing wages and paying bonuses.

    I don't understand the economics of what about this tax bill encouraged this--none of the DC wonks, on either side, was predicting that before the bill passed. And the bill isn't even in effect yet, so I have no idea what the connection is or isn't.

    But there was once a Candian Liberal politician barnstorming for an election.
    Pol: And always remember, Tory Times Are Hard Times!
    Heckler: That's a coincidence!
    Pol: Maybe so, but which coincidene would you rather have?

  61. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    @Jean Ralphio

    If Stephen Miller left I would be concerned about him going soft. Trump is a restrictionist at heart, but would cut a deal if he got tired of the haggling or felt like it would help him head off a scandal. No one will ever convince me Trump has a strong knowledge of the details.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @anon

    Realistically, Stephen Miller isn’t influencing Trump on a personal level. He’s almost 40 years Trump’s junior… no way. He’s basically a technical specialist– behind the scene policy details/wrangling and some speech writing. He’s like the Quant attached to the BSD.

    That’s not to diminish his importance. He performs a vital role, but he’s not in a position to be personally pushing back against the President. John “The Deacon of Deportation” Kelly is probably the one who serves that role.

  62. @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Who has Trump beaten like a drum? He handed off the critical issue of his entire presidency to Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner for the last three months. Anybody who has followed immigration debates with even half a brain over the last decade could have predicted the result.

    Is there an alternative proposal? The Goodlatte bill in the House looks like it does most of what Trump wants and supposedly it’ll get a vote as payback for the Freedom Caucus agreeing to the CR. Is Trump behind it? He won’t say.

    The “MAGA, 144d chess” chorus will always take motion for movement and their own cheerleading for their guy in any penny-ante controversy for success, but I still have yet to see Trump personally take the ball on anything and advance further than “generic Republican President” would. Maybe this’ll be the decisive moment he finally will. Or maybe he won’t be able to stand a government shutdown on the anniversary of his inauguration, will go for whatever deal Chucky throws him, and will “take the heat” on it.

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @Jack Hanson

    Generic Republican President would have attempted amnesty by now, and we’d be mired in Syria fighting for ISIS

    DACA is leverage. If eliminated last year he would still be smeared as a racist and it would be off the table as a bargaining chip. If nothing happens it will simply lapse this year

    He is not an Emperor and has to work with the legislative. Since Republicans are unable to deliver, they have to be ‘encouraged’

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Difference Maker


    Generic Republican President would have attempted amnesty by now, and we’d be mired in Syria fighting for ISIS
     
    I'll grant that, and it's not nothing, but I did say I hadn't seen Trump "advance further than 'generic Republican President,'" not merely that he hasn't made things worse. (I was a committed "Flight 93 election" voter, and I assume if Hillary had won, among other things, this blog would have been swept away in the Great Hate Purge that wound up getting only partially launched by Silicon Valley this year.) But not making things worse is a pretty low bar.

    My bitching is pretty specific. I don't know why he didn't eliminate DACA flat out. That would have given him even more leverage. (I'm still not convinced, and I don't think anyone in Washington is convinced, that he will actually let DACA lapse in March if push comes to shove.) And I don't know why he allowed clowns like Graham and Flake anywhere near immigration. (Yes, yes, I know, it's not as if the President can dictate what Senators do but he pretty easily could have kicked any credibility on the issue out from under both of them with a single tweet.) Flake is a lame duck who will be out of the Senate in a year, in part because he decided to launch a personal crusade against Trump. Why would you let someone like that anywhere near your core issue? It suggests a worrisome disengagement and disinterest and, if nothing else, it's wasted limited time (9.65% of Trump's term, so far).
  63. >African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    Wow. I don’t know which is worse, the idea that he expects people to believe this (isn’t it, like, racist to assume blacks are stupid or historically illiterate?) or that he might actually think that’s where the term comes from. There’s a special brand of stupidity tied into historical illiteracy mixed with ideology taking the place of truth. For many, many years, I’ve castigated the GOP for this, but this is a fully bipartisan beast.

    As for Graham, like I’ve always said: a good barometer for Trump is that if he, Rove, Bush, McConnell, Norquist and all the rest suggest that he do something, it is likely a good indicator he should do exactly the opposite. These guys managed to bungle the Clinton era surplus and Pax Americana, then managed to screw up a campaign against a politically weak President in spite of throwing more money than they did in 2012. In spite of having a Democratic Party on the verge of alienating the masses by going through Cultural Revolution style fits, they still manage to reap in historically low approval ratings in Congress and are in danger in 2018. Why would anybody take their political advice?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    >2008

    To push the point home: Trump did what no Republican since 1988 did in 2016 in no small part by openly disregarding a clearly failed post-Cold War dogma-one of the major contributors in America squandering a truly unprecedented position in world history after the USSR fell. Bush II couldn't bring in Pennsylvania in far healthier times. Trump did.

  64. istevefan says:
    @Thomas
    Of course, this is when he decided to leak the sh*thole comment to try to get a leg back up, which was later debunked by Cotton and Purdue.

    I linked to Chucky Schumer trying to force Tom Cotton off the field in the immigration debate earlier. It's pretty clear the plan was for Lindsey Graham(nesty), Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner to agree to what the Democrats wanted, slap a "bipartisan" label on the deal, and for Graham to butter Trump up over golf. When that didn't work, smear Trump as a racist, shut the government down, and try to arm twist him into amnesty.

    A couple thoughts:

    1) What to make of Trump? Is he really (per "Fire and Fury") so dull that he'll just go along with whatever the last person he heard from says? Graham and Durbin seem to think so. The "Gang of Six" has been going overboard to try to smear Tom Cotton and Stephen Miller and keep them away from Trump. A lot of conservatives on Twitter, Breitbart, and supposedly Republican House members, had a collective pucker today when they heard that Trump was talking one-on-one with Chuck Schumer (who collects Republicans' virginities and forgets their number in the morning, see George H.W. Bush and "read my lips," Marco Rubio and the "Gang of Eight").

    Or was Trump a cagey bastard enough to lull the Gang of Six into a false sense of security before springing the trap on them Thursday?

    2) The Democrats are really doubling down hard, smearing Trump as a racist, smearing anyone who critiques unlimited immigration from third world countries as a racist, and now shutting down the government. The reasons aren't hard to fathom: they're going hard core on the demographic replacement strategy: elect a new people who will elect Democrats forever.

    Assuming that's their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they're going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the "arc of history") away from it. They'll never agree to an end to chain migration, to the diversity lottery, to e-Verify, a big expansion of ICE, none of it. (I wouldn't be surprise if they agree to the wall, probably expecting to kill it later, but honestly the wall might be the least important immigration measure Trump could seek, it's more symbolic and, at least, something that won't just go away with the next President once it's built).

    So what's the end game here? The only ways I see this ending are that Trump cucks out to end the shutdown and notch a "win," McConnell kills the legislative filibuster and they force a package through (call it the Republican version of Obamacare), or the DACA deadline arrives and Trump does... something, or nothing maybe.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @istevefan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    Assuming that’s their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they’re going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the “arc of history”) away from it.

    People must realize that those pushing diversity are not going to announce one day that the USA is diverse and then stop. There is no formula or magic number, except possibly no more whites, that serves as a metric to indicate when the USA is fully diverse.

  65. @Coemgen
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Ms. Grahmnesty covering your 6.
     
    That is a very disturbing image...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey, it helps get it out of my mind, if I put it down on unz!

    (yeah, I meant it this way. ;-} )

  66. @JohnnyD
    While reading the article, I was getting the impression that Dick Durbin and Lindsay Graham are too close. I guess that's what Durbin means when he says immigration reform is a "bipartisan" effort.

    Replies: @Ivy

    English: bipartisan
    DC-speak: buy-partisan

    • Agree: Coemgen
  67. @nebulafox
    >African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    Wow. I don't know which is worse, the idea that he expects people to believe this (isn't it, like, racist to assume blacks are stupid or historically illiterate?) or that he might actually think that's where the term comes from. There's a special brand of stupidity tied into historical illiteracy mixed with ideology taking the place of truth. For many, many years, I've castigated the GOP for this, but this is a fully bipartisan beast.

    As for Graham, like I've always said: a good barometer for Trump is that if he, Rove, Bush, McConnell, Norquist and all the rest suggest that he do something, it is likely a good indicator he should do exactly the opposite. These guys managed to bungle the Clinton era surplus and Pax Americana, then managed to screw up a campaign against a politically weak President in spite of throwing more money than they did in 2012. In spite of having a Democratic Party on the verge of alienating the masses by going through Cultural Revolution style fits, they still manage to reap in historically low approval ratings in Congress and are in danger in 2018. Why would anybody take their political advice?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >2008

    To push the point home: Trump did what no Republican since 1988 did in 2016 in no small part by openly disregarding a clearly failed post-Cold War dogma-one of the major contributors in America squandering a truly unprecedented position in world history after the USSR fell. Bush II couldn’t bring in Pennsylvania in far healthier times. Trump did.

  68. To the point about Trump not being able to staff:

    The resignation of 10 out of 12 National Park System Advisory Board members leaves the federal government without a functioning body to designate national historic or natural landmarks.

    http://boards.4chan.org/news/thread/219752

    From a story at the Bezos Blog.
    Oh no! We cannot have a ten-person discussion about designating landmarks!

  69. Jack Hanson says:
    @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Who has Trump beaten like a drum? He handed off the critical issue of his entire presidency to Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner for the last three months. Anybody who has followed immigration debates with even half a brain over the last decade could have predicted the result.

    Is there an alternative proposal? The Goodlatte bill in the House looks like it does most of what Trump wants and supposedly it’ll get a vote as payback for the Freedom Caucus agreeing to the CR. Is Trump behind it? He won’t say.

    The “MAGA, 144d chess” chorus will always take motion for movement and their own cheerleading for their guy in any penny-ante controversy for success, but I still have yet to see Trump personally take the ball on anything and advance further than “generic Republican President” would. Maybe this’ll be the decisive moment he finally will. Or maybe he won’t be able to stand a government shutdown on the anniversary of his inauguration, will go for whatever deal Chucky throws him, and will “take the heat” on it.

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @Jack Hanson

    Yeah, that’s exactly what he has done versus doing what he does best: talk his enemies into setting themselves on fire in the most spectacular way.

    Right now the Dems are facing an internal revolt as the red state dems are going to lose their seats if they go along with Schumer’s strategy of failure.

    We had a generic Republican president in Bush I and II, who liked to start ground wars, refuse to end TPS, and made kissy faces with the Republicans. This ain’t 14D chess, this is Trump rolling his foes while autistic eeyores like yourself are either unable to or refuse to realise that while Trump can’t act unilaterally, he is stomping the shit out of the opposition right.

    A brief look at your posting career shows, yet again, another eeyore with his ball gag predicting a dooooooom that never comes.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Public pissing contests with [insert Trump foe here] don't deport illegals or build wall. Call me when that shit starts happening bigly. Like I said, I already know there's always going to be a girlish squeal from the cheap seats over every little interpersonal battle Trump wins, as you're demonstrating, whether or not it actually produces anything.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @The preferred nomenclature is...

  70. African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    Honestly, I thought Democrats only used lines like that for the cameras. It’s sad and frightening if it reflects true thoughts and beliefs.

  71. @Thomas
    Of course, this is when he decided to leak the sh*thole comment to try to get a leg back up, which was later debunked by Cotton and Purdue.

    I linked to Chucky Schumer trying to force Tom Cotton off the field in the immigration debate earlier. It's pretty clear the plan was for Lindsey Graham(nesty), Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner to agree to what the Democrats wanted, slap a "bipartisan" label on the deal, and for Graham to butter Trump up over golf. When that didn't work, smear Trump as a racist, shut the government down, and try to arm twist him into amnesty.

    A couple thoughts:

    1) What to make of Trump? Is he really (per "Fire and Fury") so dull that he'll just go along with whatever the last person he heard from says? Graham and Durbin seem to think so. The "Gang of Six" has been going overboard to try to smear Tom Cotton and Stephen Miller and keep them away from Trump. A lot of conservatives on Twitter, Breitbart, and supposedly Republican House members, had a collective pucker today when they heard that Trump was talking one-on-one with Chuck Schumer (who collects Republicans' virginities and forgets their number in the morning, see George H.W. Bush and "read my lips," Marco Rubio and the "Gang of Eight").

    Or was Trump a cagey bastard enough to lull the Gang of Six into a false sense of security before springing the trap on them Thursday?

    2) The Democrats are really doubling down hard, smearing Trump as a racist, smearing anyone who critiques unlimited immigration from third world countries as a racist, and now shutting down the government. The reasons aren't hard to fathom: they're going hard core on the demographic replacement strategy: elect a new people who will elect Democrats forever.

    Assuming that's their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they're going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the "arc of history") away from it. They'll never agree to an end to chain migration, to the diversity lottery, to e-Verify, a big expansion of ICE, none of it. (I wouldn't be surprise if they agree to the wall, probably expecting to kill it later, but honestly the wall might be the least important immigration measure Trump could seek, it's more symbolic and, at least, something that won't just go away with the next President once it's built).

    So what's the end game here? The only ways I see this ending are that Trump cucks out to end the shutdown and notch a "win," McConnell kills the legislative filibuster and they force a package through (call it the Republican version of Obamacare), or the DACA deadline arrives and Trump does... something, or nothing maybe.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @istevefan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    That was an interesting and well-written comment, Thomas (liked the humor about Schumer too). I don’t know when enough people are going to get wise enough to make an effort to get Grahmnesty, Ryan, and all the cucks out of high office.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Graham is up next in 2020. If America is somewhat greater again by then, I’ll hope he has a primary challenger. He got Strom Thurmond’s old seat and he’s been coasting along the way Southern Republican Senators do for three terms so far.

    Ryan’s perennial would-be primary challenger, Paul Nehlen, immolated himself by being a little too publicly redpill reading “Culture of Critique” in public. Ryan also is a fundraising machine, which makes him hard to get rid of.

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My best guess is that the Democratic Party never runs a serious Candidate against Graham, McCain, and others, because they know they can count on their support when it's needed.
    Should those people be ''Primaried'', then it's Game On, so the Repubs go along to get along.

  72. Jack Hanson says:

    I wasnt happy when Trump didn’t end DACA right away, but now I’m glad he didn’t. This thing is blowing up the Democrats amazingly. The red state Dems who have an election this year must be shitting bricks at what Schumer in his safe blue seat have gotten them into. They can’t hope something changes so dramatically in the next few months to save them.

    They are going to live or die on this vote, and look even worst when they have to bend the knee to Trump eventually anyway.

  73. @Thomas
    By the bye, somebody is tweeting on John McCain’s account, but when was the last time he was seen in pubic or photographed? He is a potentially important Senate vote right now. I’d note that he’s at the median survival time from diagnosis for Glioblastoma Multiforme in patients over 65 as of this month.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @mjazzguitar

    Do you think they’d have the gall to run the old Soviet-Union-Inner-Party/Weekend-at-Bernie’s ploy? Arizona has got really dry air, which goes in their favor …

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My guess is McCain deputized some aide or friend (maybe Lindsey Graham?) to ghostwrite for him by now. I suspect there’s a reason he’s no longer being seen in public. It is brain cancer, and, statistically, it’s probably pretty far along.

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the Australian Senate, Senators who are too ill can arrange a ''pair'' and a Senator from the other side abstains from voting.
    That didn't always happen: In 1975, the dying Senator Bert Milliner was wheeled into the Senate on a gurney to vote for the then ruling Labor Party

  74. Headline: DURBIN FAVORS CHAIN MIGRATION

  75. The NYT comments are a laugh riot. So much moral righteousness. They need their Pontifex Maximus Barry back because they are truly lost in the wilderness without him.

  76. @Dave Pinsen
    Dick Durbin has an interesting definition of immigration, to include the slave trade.

    Marc Benioff seems to agree with him...

    https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/954053728742490112

    But Kamala Harris seems to believe we are a nation of immigrants, Indians, and slaves.

    https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/951597530227331072

    Replies: @Lot, @Lot, @JimB, @Luke Lea

    Also a lot of white indentured servants, some orphans kidnapped off the streets of London.

  77. @Thomas
    Of course, this is when he decided to leak the sh*thole comment to try to get a leg back up, which was later debunked by Cotton and Purdue.

    I linked to Chucky Schumer trying to force Tom Cotton off the field in the immigration debate earlier. It's pretty clear the plan was for Lindsey Graham(nesty), Jeff Flake, and Cory Gardner to agree to what the Democrats wanted, slap a "bipartisan" label on the deal, and for Graham to butter Trump up over golf. When that didn't work, smear Trump as a racist, shut the government down, and try to arm twist him into amnesty.

    A couple thoughts:

    1) What to make of Trump? Is he really (per "Fire and Fury") so dull that he'll just go along with whatever the last person he heard from says? Graham and Durbin seem to think so. The "Gang of Six" has been going overboard to try to smear Tom Cotton and Stephen Miller and keep them away from Trump. A lot of conservatives on Twitter, Breitbart, and supposedly Republican House members, had a collective pucker today when they heard that Trump was talking one-on-one with Chuck Schumer (who collects Republicans' virginities and forgets their number in the morning, see George H.W. Bush and "read my lips," Marco Rubio and the "Gang of Eight").

    Or was Trump a cagey bastard enough to lull the Gang of Six into a false sense of security before springing the trap on them Thursday?

    2) The Democrats are really doubling down hard, smearing Trump as a racist, smearing anyone who critiques unlimited immigration from third world countries as a racist, and now shutting down the government. The reasons aren't hard to fathom: they're going hard core on the demographic replacement strategy: elect a new people who will elect Democrats forever.

    Assuming that's their long-term goal, there is no prospect, ever, that they're going to agree to anything that bends the curve of immigration and demographics (or, as they might say, the "arc of history") away from it. They'll never agree to an end to chain migration, to the diversity lottery, to e-Verify, a big expansion of ICE, none of it. (I wouldn't be surprise if they agree to the wall, probably expecting to kill it later, but honestly the wall might be the least important immigration measure Trump could seek, it's more symbolic and, at least, something that won't just go away with the next President once it's built).

    So what's the end game here? The only ways I see this ending are that Trump cucks out to end the shutdown and notch a "win," McConnell kills the legislative filibuster and they force a package through (call it the Republican version of Obamacare), or the DACA deadline arrives and Trump does... something, or nothing maybe.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @istevefan, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    I have never seen a person so self-assured and tucked into the correctness of his/her opinion as DJT. If DJT truly spits fire on immigration like the NYT article says, he will not cave. He wins.

  78. @Lot
    It was a strange scam they tried to trick Trump with. He said he wanted a deal with wall funding and chain migration. Then a "deal" was reached between Dem leadership and the Rubio/Flake open borders GOP faction that had like 5% of the needed wall funding plus only limited chain migration of DACA parents' relatives, who would get an amnesty. This is a double scam because they currently cannot sponsor chain migration anyway as illegals. Plus a provision that says DACA parents get amnesty and become citizens but do not have the chain migration rights of other citizens is probably unconstitutional and would quickly be stripped from the law.

    Replies: @Luke Lea

    The Dems think bipartisan means something they and Lindsey Graham agree on. He’s their beard.

  79. @Difference Maker
    @Thomas

    Generic Republican President would have attempted amnesty by now, and we'd be mired in Syria fighting for ISIS

    DACA is leverage. If eliminated last year he would still be smeared as a racist and it would be off the table as a bargaining chip. If nothing happens it will simply lapse this year

    He is not an Emperor and has to work with the legislative. Since Republicans are unable to deliver, they have to be 'encouraged'

    Replies: @Thomas

    Generic Republican President would have attempted amnesty by now, and we’d be mired in Syria fighting for ISIS

    I’ll grant that, and it’s not nothing, but I did say I hadn’t seen Trump “advance further than ‘generic Republican President,’” not merely that he hasn’t made things worse. (I was a committed “Flight 93 election” voter, and I assume if Hillary had won, among other things, this blog would have been swept away in the Great Hate Purge that wound up getting only partially launched by Silicon Valley this year.) But not making things worse is a pretty low bar.

    My bitching is pretty specific. I don’t know why he didn’t eliminate DACA flat out. That would have given him even more leverage. (I’m still not convinced, and I don’t think anyone in Washington is convinced, that he will actually let DACA lapse in March if push comes to shove.) And I don’t know why he allowed clowns like Graham and Flake anywhere near immigration. (Yes, yes, I know, it’s not as if the President can dictate what Senators do but he pretty easily could have kicked any credibility on the issue out from under both of them with a single tweet.) Flake is a lame duck who will be out of the Senate in a year, in part because he decided to launch a personal crusade against Trump. Why would you let someone like that anywhere near your core issue? It suggests a worrisome disengagement and disinterest and, if nothing else, it’s wasted limited time (9.65% of Trump’s term, so far).

  80. Lesson for Durbin. Don’t try to censor or regulate the speech of Trump. Tom Llamas of ABC tried that during the campaign and it didn’t work out well for him. Trump ate him alive.

  81. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah, that's exactly what he has done versus doing what he does best: talk his enemies into setting themselves on fire in the most spectacular way.

    Right now the Dems are facing an internal revolt as the red state dems are going to lose their seats if they go along with Schumer's strategy of failure.

    We had a generic Republican president in Bush I and II, who liked to start ground wars, refuse to end TPS, and made kissy faces with the Republicans. This ain't 14D chess, this is Trump rolling his foes while autistic eeyores like yourself are either unable to or refuse to realise that while Trump can't act unilaterally, he is stomping the shit out of the opposition right.

    A brief look at your posting career shows, yet again, another eeyore with his ball gag predicting a dooooooom that never comes.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Public pissing contests with [insert Trump foe here] don’t deport illegals or build wall. Call me when that shit starts happening bigly. Like I said, I already know there’s always going to be a girlish squeal from the cheap seats over every little interpersonal battle Trump wins, as you’re demonstrating, whether or not it actually produces anything.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah bruh, tax bill, Gorsuch, federal judges and actual deportations firing up again with a 26k stock market is "nothing". The FISA memo about to blow up the Democrats: nothing.

    Lmdo keep moaning around your ball gag.

    Replies: @Thomas, @utu, @utu

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Thomas

    Jack, Thomas wanted a pony with a horn on his forehead that pooped Skittles not just a pony.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    That was an interesting and well-written comment, Thomas (liked the humor about Schumer too). I don't know when enough people are going to get wise enough to make an effort to get Grahmnesty, Ryan, and all the cucks out of high office.

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    Graham is up next in 2020. If America is somewhat greater again by then, I’ll hope he has a primary challenger. He got Strom Thurmond’s old seat and he’s been coasting along the way Southern Republican Senators do for three terms so far.

    Ryan’s perennial would-be primary challenger, Paul Nehlen, immolated himself by being a little too publicly redpill reading “Culture of Critique” in public. Ryan also is a fundraising machine, which makes him hard to get rid of.

  83. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    Do you think they'd have the gall to run the old Soviet-Union-Inner-Party/Weekend-at-Bernie's ploy? Arizona has got really dry air, which goes in their favor ...

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    My guess is McCain deputized some aide or friend (maybe Lindsey Graham?) to ghostwrite for him by now. I suspect there’s a reason he’s no longer being seen in public. It is brain cancer, and, statistically, it’s probably pretty far along.

  84. @Jean Ralphio
    Maybe all the cry-babies on here who thought Trump would go soft on immigration after Sloppy Steve left will feel better now. Trump campaigned on immigration restriction for over a year before Bannon was hired and he clearly still believes in it.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Jack Hanson, @TomSchmidt

    You do have a point. Consider me chastened.

  85. @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Public pissing contests with [insert Trump foe here] don't deport illegals or build wall. Call me when that shit starts happening bigly. Like I said, I already know there's always going to be a girlish squeal from the cheap seats over every little interpersonal battle Trump wins, as you're demonstrating, whether or not it actually produces anything.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Yeah bruh, tax bill, Gorsuch, federal judges and actual deportations firing up again with a 26k stock market is “nothing”. The FISA memo about to blow up the Democrats: nothing.

    Lmdo keep moaning around your ball gag.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Again, the tax bill and the judges are standard-fare Republican stuff. The deportations are good, but again, that just means starting to enforce laws again like should have been happening in the first place. It’s not exactly radical, and it’s baling out the ocean with a bucket at the current rate.

    Again, I’ve been on the Trump train from the get-go, and I still am. But I’m never not going to hold his feet to the fire or watch for any sign of cuckiness, and I’m never going to moon over him the way Democrats did over Obama.

    Anyway, for those who do moon, enjoy:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @utu
    @Jack Hanson

    Hey Jack, Perhaps you might be right about Trump's multidimensional chess playing. Israel Shamir thinks that he is really accomplishing something desirable in the foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/#comment-2168118
    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    , @utu
    @Jack Hanson

    Hey Jack, Perhaps you might be right about Trump's multidimensional chess playing. Israel Shamir thinks that he is really accomplishing something desirable in the foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/#comment-2168118
    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    Replies: @Art Deco

  86. Durbin continued, “When it came to the issue of, quote, ‘chain migration,’ I said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people? African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.”

    That’s true. Black people are so traumatized by the imagery of chains, that – to this very day – they even refuse to wear anything that might remind them of chains.

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1903&bih=931&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=bbViWuPlBMW6sQWT16LIBw&q=rappers+wearing+gold+chains&oq=rappers+wearing+gold+chains&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.8813.10242.0.10617.9.9.0.0.0.0.83.656.9.9.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.9.654…0i7i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i13k1j0i13i5i30k1j0i8i13i30k1.0.a-Mg_POkTM8#imgrc=_

    Note: Durbin said that black people “believe they migrated to America in chains”. Does he doubt that they did? Were there no shackles on slave-ships? Is Durbin a chain-denier?

  87. So, the only 6 departments sending home more than ~half their staff are:

    Housing and Urban Development 96%
    Environmental Protection Agency 95%
    Education 95%
    Commerce 87%
    Labor 83%
    Interior 81%

    Err, so the Dems are trying to hold THESE departments hostage? “Give us what we want, or we’re closing down HUD, b!tches!” Brilliant plan, well played. The real question should be what are they going to give the Repubs NOT to shut them all down for the next 6 months or so. It’s a shame the Repubs are so cucked. If they had an iota of spine between them, they could leave the Dems twisting in the wind. For bonus points, they could really bury the shiv and tell the swampies (who voted 94% for HRC anyway), that there will be NO back pay for non-essentials.

  88. @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment, it's just like Fact Check Dot Org or PolitiFact, or the London man who calls himself The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, or for that matter the Syrian Lesbian who turned out to be a fat white guy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

  89. Did he get Abu Grabbed?

    Durbin was right to condemn the terrible disgrace of Abu Grahib but he tends to emotionalism, comparing it with Holocaust and Khmer Rouge.

    Btw, if the lesson of Iraq War is “loss of borders leads to instability”, why is it good for the US?

    The current reality makes no sense. Sanctuaries exist to provide protection for native elements against invasive elements. A Nature Preserve exists to offer sanctuary to established species against potential invasive species. But, ‘sanctuary’ now means to give protection to invasive elements to bring about the replacement and destruction of the native or existing elements. Crazy.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  90. @candid_observer
    Washington is Hollywood for ugly people, complete with the overacting.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Washington is Hollywood for ugly people, complete with the overacting.

    Hey, haven’t you seen the new Star Wars movie? Now Hollywood is Hollywood for ugly people.

    OtT: Star Wars – the Last Jedi yanked from many Chinese theaters after only two weeks:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-star-wars-last-jedi-164935000.html

  91. @Anonymous
    @Ricky Vaughn

    "Literally shaking"?lol grow up you fucking pussy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Literally shaking”?lol grow up you fucking pussy.

    He was joking.

  92. LBJ had a particular way with salty language. Nixon was known to swear on occasion.

  93. @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment, it's just like Fact Check Dot Org or PolitiFact, or the London man who calls himself The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, or for that matter the Syrian Lesbian who turned out to be a fat white guy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    I know that, that’s why it’s interesting that they provided several examples of Johnson using the n-word.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Harry Baldwin

    That story about his chauffeur was pretty shocking, even to me.

  94. The long term question is whether the left’s non-stop characterization of Trump as a unstable Hitler 2.0 who wants to exterminate non whites and reintroduce slavery once Putin gives the go-ahead will result in a blue wave in the mid-term elections.

    We can laugh at the bias, hypocrisy and general derangement of the Nyt article but the left seems very motivated by this propaganda. Republican leaders want to ensure that republicans are not motivated while democrats may turn out in record numbers. After all, anyone who isn’t a Nazi apparently knows that if we don’t get back in the Paris climate agreement all life will cease to exist.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    PS:

    In places like the Rust Belt that will be very important to the Democrats in both '18 and '20, one of the few things I can imagine that manages to prove to be an equal burden to the Democrats that the insane GOP tax bill-vastly unpopular with everybody except their donors-is now for the Republicans, might be if the Democrats decide to shut down the government for the sake of illegal aliens. I literally cannot think of better propaganda for the Trump reelection campaign. (Well, almost-I suppose the neocons migrating back to the Democrats, where they really do belong in the proper scheme of things combined with new frentic public activity on their part might outstrip that. But that's another story.)

    Ezra Klein has one vote. Working class whites in the Rust Belt have millions. And no matter how hard the ideologues try, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that'll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Discordiax

    Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that’ll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.

    Won’t matter. Florida tipped last year. Texas and Arizona probably last week. And so on.

    Fight demography all you want–without mass deportation it’s quite useless.

    • Agree: BB753
  96. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    That was an interesting and well-written comment, Thomas (liked the humor about Schumer too). I don't know when enough people are going to get wise enough to make an effort to get Grahmnesty, Ryan, and all the cucks out of high office.

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    My best guess is that the Democratic Party never runs a serious Candidate against Graham, McCain, and others, because they know they can count on their support when it’s needed.
    Should those people be ”Primaried”, then it’s Game On, so the Repubs go along to get along.

  97. @Jon

    who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades
     
    Which means that they aren't actually young anymore. Seriously, aren’t a good chunk of the DACA tail end Gen-Xers? Not quite as sympathetic when it's some middle aged dude, so those guys don't get used in too many photo-ops.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    who has been pushing to protect young immigrants for nearly two decades

    Which means that they aren’t actually young anymore. Seriously, aren’t a good chunk of the DACA tail end Gen-Xers? Not quite as sympathetic when it’s some middle aged dude, so those guys don’t get used in too many photo-ops.

    That jumped out at me too. Both Durbin and the NYT author are so far up their own rear ends that the idea of a man in high public office for decades “protecting” people from the nightmare of deportation while millions more pile in to the nation doesn’t seem at all discordant to them. To us it’s an admission – Dick Durbin doesn’t care one whit about U.S. sovereignty and has dedicated his career in office to attracting and keeping these people here.

  98. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thomas

    Do you think they'd have the gall to run the old Soviet-Union-Inner-Party/Weekend-at-Bernie's ploy? Arizona has got really dry air, which goes in their favor ...

    Replies: @Thomas, @anon

    In the Australian Senate, Senators who are too ill can arrange a ”pair” and a Senator from the other side abstains from voting.
    That didn’t always happen: In 1975, the dying Senator Bert Milliner was wheeled into the Senate on a gurney to vote for the then ruling Labor Party

  99. @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Public pissing contests with [insert Trump foe here] don't deport illegals or build wall. Call me when that shit starts happening bigly. Like I said, I already know there's always going to be a girlish squeal from the cheap seats over every little interpersonal battle Trump wins, as you're demonstrating, whether or not it actually produces anything.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Jack, Thomas wanted a pony with a horn on his forehead that pooped Skittles not just a pony.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Pretty much this.

  100. @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Snopes is a Marxist cat lady in an apartment, it's just like Fact Check Dot Org or PolitiFact, or the London man who calls himself The Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, or for that matter the Syrian Lesbian who turned out to be a fat white guy.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    Even so, Snopes confirmed that it’s not some Internet rumor. Snopes conceded that the quote appears in a biography of LBJ.

  101. @Thomas
    By the bye, somebody is tweeting on John McCain’s account, but when was the last time he was seen in pubic or photographed? He is a potentially important Senate vote right now. I’d note that he’s at the median survival time from diagnosis for Glioblastoma Multiforme in patients over 65 as of this month.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @mjazzguitar

    People with brain cancer should be voting.
    He’d vote against Trump anyway, because Trump got to be president and he didn’t.

  102. @Anonymous IV
    Like those journalists always claiming to be "literally shaking" after Trump's rallies and his Phoenix immigration speech (which was no more hard-line than stuff Bill Clinton had said in the 1990s).

    That may actually be true considering so many of these reporters are probably in their 20s and only knew Obama as president since they were teenagers. That and they have little historical education in politics. Ever heard of LBJ?

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    Stop being so ageist! We millennials know more history than that! “El BJ” means the Lewinski scandal, right?

  103. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah bruh, tax bill, Gorsuch, federal judges and actual deportations firing up again with a 26k stock market is "nothing". The FISA memo about to blow up the Democrats: nothing.

    Lmdo keep moaning around your ball gag.

    Replies: @Thomas, @utu, @utu

    Again, the tax bill and the judges are standard-fare Republican stuff. The deportations are good, but again, that just means starting to enforce laws again like should have been happening in the first place. It’s not exactly radical, and it’s baling out the ocean with a bucket at the current rate.

    Again, I’ve been on the Trump train from the get-go, and I still am. But I’m never not going to hold his feet to the fire or watch for any sign of cuckiness, and I’m never going to moon over him the way Democrats did over Obama.

    Anyway, for those who do moon, enjoy:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    "How do you do fellow Trump supporters?"

    A generic GOPper would have sent Merrick Garland up for a vote, not passed a tax cut that actually benefits Americans (as opposed to the party line braying around here), not ended TPS, and we would be hearing more about a 'virtual fence' AGAIN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  104. @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    PS:

    In places like the Rust Belt that will be very important to the Democrats in both '18 and '20, one of the few things I can imagine that manages to prove to be an equal burden to the Democrats that the insane GOP tax bill-vastly unpopular with everybody except their donors-is now for the Republicans, might be if the Democrats decide to shut down the government for the sake of illegal aliens. I literally cannot think of better propaganda for the Trump reelection campaign. (Well, almost-I suppose the neocons migrating back to the Democrats, where they really do belong in the proper scheme of things combined with new frentic public activity on their part might outstrip that. But that's another story.)

    Ezra Klein has one vote. Working class whites in the Rust Belt have millions. And no matter how hard the ideologues try, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin simply do not have the minority numbers to come close to offsetting a coherent white vote. Maybe that'll change by 2040, but by 2020? Not a chance.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Discordiax

    I was a big skeptic of the tax bill, both politically for the Republicans and for the country economically (facing an entitlement debt crisis, tax cuts are a–counterintuitive solution.) But politically, all the news about the tax bill has been about companies increasing wages and paying bonuses.

    I don’t understand the economics of what about this tax bill encouraged this–none of the DC wonks, on either side, was predicting that before the bill passed. And the bill isn’t even in effect yet, so I have no idea what the connection is or isn’t.

    But there was once a Candian Liberal politician barnstorming for an election.
    Pol: And always remember, Tory Times Are Hard Times!
    Heckler: That’s a coincidence!
    Pol: Maybe so, but which coincidene would you rather have?

  105. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah bruh, tax bill, Gorsuch, federal judges and actual deportations firing up again with a 26k stock market is "nothing". The FISA memo about to blow up the Democrats: nothing.

    Lmdo keep moaning around your ball gag.

    Replies: @Thomas, @utu, @utu

    Hey Jack, Perhaps you might be right about Trump’s multidimensional chess playing. Israel Shamir thinks that he is really accomplishing something desirable in the foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/#comment-2168118
    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

  106. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    Yeah bruh, tax bill, Gorsuch, federal judges and actual deportations firing up again with a 26k stock market is "nothing". The FISA memo about to blow up the Democrats: nothing.

    Lmdo keep moaning around your ball gag.

    Replies: @Thomas, @utu, @utu

    Hey Jack, Perhaps you might be right about Trump’s multidimensional chess playing. Israel Shamir thinks that he is really accomplishing something desirable in the foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/#comment-2168118
    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @utu

    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    He won't do that because:

    1. There is no empire.

    2. There are no 'neocons' not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.


    These are boogeymen which occupy the minds of Unz combox denizens but have scant social reality.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mr. Anon

  107. Richard Durbin is 73 years old. He’s been in Congress for 35 years and been on public payrolls as an employee or a contractor since 1969 (but never in civil service positions or in the military). He had a law practice now and again in Springfield, Illinois during the period running from 1969 to 1983 (during which time his most important client was a committee of the state legislature). I suppose you could come up with some purer examples of the Democratic Party’s pathologies (DWS, Harry Reid, and upChuck Schumer).

  108. @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    I know that, that's why it's interesting that they provided several examples of Johnson using the n-word.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    That story about his chauffeur was pretty shocking, even to me.

  109. Jack Hanson says:
    @Thomas
    @Jack Hanson

    Again, the tax bill and the judges are standard-fare Republican stuff. The deportations are good, but again, that just means starting to enforce laws again like should have been happening in the first place. It’s not exactly radical, and it’s baling out the ocean with a bucket at the current rate.

    Again, I’ve been on the Trump train from the get-go, and I still am. But I’m never not going to hold his feet to the fire or watch for any sign of cuckiness, and I’m never going to moon over him the way Democrats did over Obama.

    Anyway, for those who do moon, enjoy:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    “How do you do fellow Trump supporters?”

    A generic GOPper would have sent Merrick Garland up for a vote, not passed a tax cut that actually benefits Americans (as opposed to the party line braying around here), not ended TPS, and we would be hearing more about a ‘virtual fence’ AGAIN.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    1. Garland was on the federal bench courtesy his sponsors in the congressional caucus of the Democratic Party and Janet Reno's Justice Department. John Kasich wouldn't have squandered a Supreme Court appointment on him.

    2. Republican pols in legislative bodies invariably pass tax cuts at a certain point in the political cycle, tax cuts they have to rescind later because they cannot manage to institute the necessary spending reductions. There's usually a critical mass of Republican careerists in a legislative body to scotch any reforms if reform plans are on the table at all (which they often aren't due to sheer dullness).

    3. Even Ted Cruz would be pushing a 'virtual fence'. It's a class and status marker to disdain barriers as unsophisticated. (See David Brooks). Pointless and even destructive technological applications are also a signature of the contemporary professional-class attitudes. (See touch-screen voting offered as a replacement for dysfunctional punch-card systems. Dig dig dig.)

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  110. @EriK
    footage of the meeting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5FSXO4LInU

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Hey, look. Jeffrey Jones.

  111. @utu
    @Jack Hanson

    Hey Jack, Perhaps you might be right about Trump's multidimensional chess playing. Israel Shamir thinks that he is really accomplishing something desirable in the foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/you-are-now-entering-the-american-sector/#comment-2168118
    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    He won’t do that because:

    1. There is no empire.

    2. There are no ‘neocons’ not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.

    These are boogeymen which occupy the minds of Unz combox denizens but have scant social reality.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Art Deco

    1. There is no empire.

    No? When'd it disappear?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    1. There is no empire.
     
    Contemporary America certainly meets the definition of an Empire - at least as much as 2nd or 1st century B.C. Rome.

    2. There are no ‘neocons’ not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.
     
    Neocon is a common term in use for describing a pretty well-defined school of political thought.

    The only one here who doesn't think so is you.

    Nitwit.
  112. @Jack Hanson
    @Thomas

    "How do you do fellow Trump supporters?"

    A generic GOPper would have sent Merrick Garland up for a vote, not passed a tax cut that actually benefits Americans (as opposed to the party line braying around here), not ended TPS, and we would be hearing more about a 'virtual fence' AGAIN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    1. Garland was on the federal bench courtesy his sponsors in the congressional caucus of the Democratic Party and Janet Reno’s Justice Department. John Kasich wouldn’t have squandered a Supreme Court appointment on him.

    2. Republican pols in legislative bodies invariably pass tax cuts at a certain point in the political cycle, tax cuts they have to rescind later because they cannot manage to institute the necessary spending reductions. There’s usually a critical mass of Republican careerists in a legislative body to scotch any reforms if reform plans are on the table at all (which they often aren’t due to sheer dullness).

    3. Even Ted Cruz would be pushing a ‘virtual fence’. It’s a class and status marker to disdain barriers as unsophisticated. (See David Brooks). Pointless and even destructive technological applications are also a signature of the contemporary professional-class attitudes. (See touch-screen voting offered as a replacement for dysfunctional punch-card systems. Dig dig dig.)

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Art Deco

    Even Ted Cruz would be pushing a ‘virtual fence’. It’s a class and status marker to disdain barriers as unsophisticated."

    Except when it comes for the elites own neighborhoods. Then of course such disdainful terms such as "gated communities", "virtual fences", ten-twenty feet high shrubs/fifty feet trees, and of course actual wall concrete/brick and mortar fences are actually built to keep the riff raff out from invading the elites private sanctuaries.

  113. “[Trump] said, ‘Oh, that’s a good line.’”

    Translation: Stop BS’ing a BS-er.

    Apparently Trump has been out and around more ordinary people (e.g. bottom 99% of US) and more recently than Congressman Durbin. After all, how many African-Americans (excluding Black Caucus) does Durbin personally associate with on a regular basis?

  114. @Art Deco
    @utu

    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    He won't do that because:

    1. There is no empire.

    2. There are no 'neocons' not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.


    These are boogeymen which occupy the minds of Unz combox denizens but have scant social reality.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mr. Anon

    1. There is no empire.

    No? When’d it disappear?

  115. @Art Deco
    @Jack Hanson

    1. Garland was on the federal bench courtesy his sponsors in the congressional caucus of the Democratic Party and Janet Reno's Justice Department. John Kasich wouldn't have squandered a Supreme Court appointment on him.

    2. Republican pols in legislative bodies invariably pass tax cuts at a certain point in the political cycle, tax cuts they have to rescind later because they cannot manage to institute the necessary spending reductions. There's usually a critical mass of Republican careerists in a legislative body to scotch any reforms if reform plans are on the table at all (which they often aren't due to sheer dullness).

    3. Even Ted Cruz would be pushing a 'virtual fence'. It's a class and status marker to disdain barriers as unsophisticated. (See David Brooks). Pointless and even destructive technological applications are also a signature of the contemporary professional-class attitudes. (See touch-screen voting offered as a replacement for dysfunctional punch-card systems. Dig dig dig.)

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Even Ted Cruz would be pushing a ‘virtual fence’. It’s a class and status marker to disdain barriers as unsophisticated.”

    Except when it comes for the elites own neighborhoods. Then of course such disdainful terms such as “gated communities”, “virtual fences”, ten-twenty feet high shrubs/fifty feet trees, and of course actual wall concrete/brick and mortar fences are actually built to keep the riff raff out from invading the elites private sanctuaries.

  116. @Art Deco
    @utu

    Trump claims to be a genius, and maybe he is right. If he wants to pull back the American empire as promised, he says whatever the crazed neocons demand, and it undermines the empire!

    He won't do that because:

    1. There is no empire.

    2. There are no 'neocons' not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.


    These are boogeymen which occupy the minds of Unz combox denizens but have scant social reality.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Mr. Anon

    1. There is no empire.

    Contemporary America certainly meets the definition of an Empire – at least as much as 2nd or 1st century B.C. Rome.

    2. There are no ‘neocons’ not collecting Social Security. Norman Podhoretz is 87 years old.

    Neocon is a common term in use for describing a pretty well-defined school of political thought.

    The only one here who doesn’t think so is you.

    Nitwit.

  117. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Thomas

    Jack, Thomas wanted a pony with a horn on his forehead that pooped Skittles not just a pony.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Pretty much this.

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