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Psychologist Jean Twenge has been writing for several years about the impact of smartphones / social media on the mental health of young Americans. She has new data today:

I would add that it also looks like the Great Awokening — which barely existed in 2011, got kicked off in 2012 with Trayvon and the Obama re-election campaign’s revivification of feminism, and locked into gear in 2013 — sure didn’t help young Americans feel good.

You’ll note that you can’t see either Trump’s election or the Great Recession of 2008 having an impact on this graph.

 
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  1. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    You denigrate women’s men and they despair no one will defend them.

    • Replies: @Senzo Zhang
  2. AndrewR says:

    Yeah the Trayvon incident was what really woke me up to how evil the left/media/government was. Maybe the Duke Lacrosse case should have but that was a different time, both in my life and in society’s. 2012 was when I went from a libertarian libertine to, well, a real dissident.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  3. IHTG says:

    I would add that it also looks like the Great Awokening, which barely existed in 2011, got kicked off in 2012 with Trayvon and the Obama re-election campaign’s revivification of feminism, and locked into gear in 2013, sure didn’t help young Americans feel good.

    Correlation and causation, etc

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Dieter Kief
  4. SIMP simp says:

    It mean it is now both chic and profitable to claim to have mental issues.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  5. Do teens really pay that much attention to current events?

    You denigrate women’s men and they despair no one will defend them.

    Except the boys had a smaller rise than the girls. Presumably, if the Awokening (combined with the Me-Too movement) was responsible for the rise in depression, it’d be boys who’d become more depressed. Boys have been the target much more than the girls.

    I tend to lean more towards a Social Media explanation. If you spend hours a day looking at a screen in a dark room instead of going outside to get fresh air&sun, that’s not good for your mental health. It’s also not healthy to socially isolate away from other people, while thinking that online “followers” are real friends. Getting “Likes” and “Comments” is not the same thing as hanging out with friends&family.

    Say what you want about Boomers and Xers, but at least they went out and met people. At least they had lots of cool life experiences and memories to last a lifetime. All the current “Zoomer” generation knows is being constantly shuttled around and supervised by helicopter parents, then spending their free time looking at a screen. They’re not getting the type of socialization, adventures, and fun that accompany a real childhood. Of course they’re depressed. If you grew up that way, you’d be depressed too.

  6. Mike Tre says:

    Young white girls are being taught to hate themselves and that they must fornicate with negroes.

    I’m surprised it hasn’t tripled.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  7. Just out: Depression among U.S. teen girls doubled from 2009 to 2019 and was up 74% among teen boys

    I would add that it also looks like the Great Awokening… sure didn’t help young Americans feel good.

    Doesn’t she mean white girls? What other races suffer depression, besides American Indians, who were in our position 200 years ago?

    Young folks are rightfully disturbed to realize they were born into a race two-fifths of which will vote for “a doddering, doting uncle who would hand out gifts the nation can’t afford in order to win people’s love”.

    Who think buggery consummates a marriage, who invite alien races to do the work their own people should be doing.

  8. mousey says:

    A good chart to compare this to would be to the growth of social media.
    I left FB years ago as I was seeing what it was doing to me mentally and socially. After I left, I was ignorant of the latest whatever and not the worse for it. Unfortunately, I recently discovered twitter and I see the same thing happening to me again. I am still not a member.
    This social media seems (to me) to create some kind of stimulus in the body, which leads to an addiction to it. It’s corrosive and depressing.
    It’s comical how you see so many decrying twitter suppression on twitter itself. These companies don’t care what people or politicians say. People, especially females and politicians (more social), are addicted and can’t get off the stimulant.
    Owners are laughing their way to the bank and their high security compound and nobody can do anything about it.

    • Replies: @RegretLeft
  9. Of course ‘the patriarchy’, traditional gender roles, traditional (Christian) sexual mores, etc., were mostly (but not exclusively) about protecting and giving meaningful lives to women. Of course nothing is for free, and women had to give up some things in the bargain.

    Feminism basically flips the table and destroys the bargain. Women gained some tangible things, but they lost many more intangibles.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @MBlanc46
  10. It’s not the Great Awokening, Steve, it’s Instagram. Maybe the two are correlated in a broader sense (hard to imagine Wokeness taking off so massively without social media) but the depression among teen girls has to do with them suddenly being in a 24/7 selfie prettiness contest with every other girl on the planet.

  11. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Probably has more to do with the relentless “mental health awareness” campaigns kids are now subjected to in schools and popular media. The primary purpose of these campaigns is to make kids aware that they do in fact have some sort of mental health problem. So now every teenage girl who’s ever felt sad or moody is compelled to believe that they actually have depression.

  12. Steve, I recall you writing an earlier article where you suggested the Great Awokening was kicked off by Tarantino’s “Django Unchained.” Any updates on that?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-democrats-go-nuts-in-2013-django-unchained/

  13. @SimpleSong

    It’s not really feminism, it’s more the sexual revolution and its consequences. The feminism of the 1920s or 1940s wouldn’t make all these Zoomer girls depressed. Millennials will be known as the last generation that was somewhat sexually healthy. Zoomers understand sexuality only through the lens of hardcore pornography, non-binary rainbow nonsense, and a tool to get virtual attention on Social media.

    • Agree: Joe Magarac
    • Disagree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    , @Libre
  14. @Reg Cæsar

    Doesn’t she mean white girls? What other races suffer depression, besides American Indians, who were in our position 200 years ago?

    https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/health4a.asp

    View post on imgur.com

    If racial/cultural demoralization were the root cause, we’d expect significant differences between Whites and Non-Whites. That’s not the case here.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  15. Farenheit says:

    I’d like to see the graph with an overlay of the ever rising female teen obesity epidemic on it. I’d be curious to see if there was any causality between the two, and which way the causality points.

    • Replies: @Hootsman
    , @S. Anonyia
  16. Looks like depression among teen boys has doubled too.

    But we don’t care about them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. imo the single worst offender for the declining mental health of teens is FACEBOOK and its pernicious…. actually, EVIL business plan.

    zuckerberg will in time be viewed as a monster for damage his creation has wrought on young people.

  18. @JohnnyWalker123

    The Boomers and Xers raised the Millennials and Zoomers in broken homes where drug abuse was rampant. My 9-5 is an education researcher in China, and I happen to have some US data from when I copy and pasted several hard drives of research and passed it off to the Chinese.

    If you track child depression statistically you have the following major risk factors:

    1. Parental Divorce: Over 82% of cases had this as the primary factor. The major issue here is that Kids were confused about where their home actually was. As it turns out, you are likely to get rootless people who feel extremely noncommittal to their country and society if you shuttle them from home to home throughout their childhood.

    2. Parental Prescription Drug abuse: Big RX ends up being a weapon wielded by overprescribed parents toward their children. Not only do you get the emotional distance of a Prozac Mom, but 35% of these parents actually either voluntary distributed the drugs to their children to “calm them down” or the kids just pilfered it from the bottle while Mommy was passed out on the couch.

    3. Social media was only identified as the primary reasoning for depression outcomes in 8% of the tracked cases at my university (UW-Madison).

    That said, it was a contributing factor in 93% of the cases, but the children almost always identified their family life as the primary factor.

    So sure, while Joe Boomer was cracking beers open and grilling with the boys, his ex-wife Karen X was abusing meds and shirking off parental responsibility to watch Maury in a Vicodin fugue. Is it any wonder why these kids are depressed?

    As an early millennial with kids, I’m always impressed to see how boomer/Xers, especially the women but often the men, simply cannot take responsibility for their kids’ negative outcomes. It is as if the environment that they raise them in, and the outcomes somehow never intersect. My youngest daughter will hopefully never have to encounter an American Zoomer, Boomer or Gen Xer — unless its online. I am doing my best to keep my oldest away from her grandparents who turned to drink in their old age under the guise of “getting together with friends”. God bless China for being far enough away to facilitate that.

  19. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Young people have been raised with the idea that some men want to stick it in a woman, and some men want to stick it in a man, and there is absolutely positively no fucking difference between those two things. It’s crazy, you don’t have to tell me. But you aren’t gonna make an argument for traditional marriage if your standard bearer is a twice-divorced adulterer. He should have been primaried.

  20. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Looks like depression among teen boys has doubled too.

    It could be the inflation of depression.

    What wasn’t considered depression some yrs back is now considered as ‘depression’.

    Maybe it’s Systemic Depression.

    It’s like ‘racist’. Is the US less or more ‘racist’? It all depends on how one defines ‘racism’.

    At one time, being a ‘Karen’ was being a good citizen. Now, it’s ‘racist’.

    And now there’s ‘racism’ in the form of ‘white fragility’.

  21. Kronos says:

    Psychologist Jean Twenge has been writing for several years about the impact of smartphones / social media on the mental health of young Americans.

    It’s the lack of good jobs woman! The Jobs! The Jobs!!

    The “working at McDonald’s” meme regardless if you attend college or not was alive and well before 2005! I remember the political comic strips!

    https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/7657764/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/format/png/quality/85/?url=/cmsmedia/c3/00/48105d284d999c2e6da85944a89c/20140516edloc-a.tif

    • Replies: @Pericles
  22. Travis says:

    sexual activity is down significantly. Social media had made dating more stressful for teens and it is more difficult to develop relationships. Social media is toxic to young minds. It creates more status competition, more isolation, less real socializing with others.

    Fewer than 40% of American high schoolers have ever had sexual intercourse, a decline of over 15 percentage points since the early 1990s. Just 27% of teens were currently sexually active, a decline from 34% a decade ago. The results are similar for college students. The 2018 National College Health Assessment found that only 66% of students had sex in the past 12 months, compared to 72% in the 2000 assessment. Taken as a whole, the data showw that fewer young people are having sex today than they were a decade or two ago, and even those who are having less of it.
    https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2019/02/why-are-we-having-less-sex-today-than-ever-before

    The lack of sexual relationships, lack of having a boyfriend or girlfriend combined with social media combine to make teenagers less happy. In addition school is more competitive today, they are more anxious about getting into a good college and it is harder today than even 10 years ago due to increased affirmative action and more foreign students squeezing out white Americans.

  23. @JohnnyWalker123

    The current US suicide epidemic is a boomer and gen x phenomenon. Zoomers are still the best adjusted.

    Your next adventure involves finding a clever way to hang yourself when Donald Trump is defeated in the Nov. election.

    • Replies: @res
    , @AnotherDad
  24. I think teens sometimes give you the answer they think you want to hear.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  25. Altai says:

    The great awokening is also driven by young women and teenagers on social media. Men and boys may side with the great awokening but they aren’t driving it. They aren’t marching (Except young black men but then they only march for BLM) and they aren’t really participating on social media, certainly not to the same extent and certainly not without young women starting it.

    Social media is basically a giant multiplayer video game for young women. Except it bleeds into their real life and social connections. Anyone who knows a gen Z girl can attest. Every moment not spent working/in class or socialising with friends is spent in whole or in part on their phones on social media.

    The social mores and values they possesses are no longer driven by their local peers but now exist at the level of social media, millions and millions of girls like them become their quasi peer group and drive what is or isn’t ‘okay’. Moral and social preening never ends and the ideology of ‘wokeness’ can never end. As regards their mental health, in the case of Instagram, it’s a kind of distillation of the idea of people only posting the highlights of their lives, making everyone else feel inadequate or FOMO. Imagine having to compete not with the girls in your class but the whole world in terms of attractiveness, that’s what Instagram does for adolescent girls. See the top 0.1% of attractive girls? They’re going to pose in bikinis and post endlessly on Instagram and make that the baseline for you.

    Do they really believe in all the wokeness? Not really, it’s all just a game to them, all about social status. But our media and institutions take it all with deadly seriousness.

    In 2020 we have abdicated social and political discourse to that sustained by 15-19 year old girls on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. No longer are discussions about global warming somewhat dry affairs about sea level rises, atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases or discussions about political or economic efforts to deal with it. It’s Greta Thunberg telling us to stop sinning without any particular demands about how to go about it or even discussions about specific consequences. (Or at least it was until that particular moral outrage moment passed and new ones had to be invented to allow girls to be brave in supporting it.)

    I think some of the contemporary ‘morally pure’ and ‘morally impure’ framing of woke debate can be traced to female moral panic and ostracising that plays out through wokeness being primarily drive by young women on social media.

  26. Altai says:
    @Altai

    I keep coming back to this footage but I think it so perfectly encapsulates it. Social media is reality for Gen Z/Late Gen Y girls, it’s the background to their whole world and it effects them psychologically differently. The proportion of male to female protestors looks 2:1. But even there, if the young women didn’t take the lead, the young males would never have organised these protests.

    Social media has given young women enormous political influence they simply didn’t have before.

    While that young Swedish policewoman breaks down under the stress of feeling socially ostracised and then is immediately embraced by the young women protestors (The other policewoman seems immune and just looks on) the young male Swedish policemen on the same day live a different reality and are seen here basically battling with what looks like 17-20 year old girls in actually quite brutal fashion.

  27. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Plenty of teenage boys are mad at the cops for the usual teenage boy knucklehead reasons.

  28. @Travis

    It’s not just high school students

    1/3 of 18-24 year old men had 0 sex in the past 12 months, as of 2018 data. Of the remaining 2/3, how many got lucky once or twice. So we can infer 1/3 of young men are having regular sex.

    And after covid and onlyfans? I’m scared to see how many sexless young guys there will be when the next survey comes out.

  29. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    Maybe it declined because these short-term sexual relationships were never a very good idea in the first place? It’s not like it’s a time-honored tradition: historically, men had sex with their wives, and maybe occasionally at the bordello. My sister, a teacher, told me about one of her most promising students, who got a scholarship to a good, out of state university but instead decided to attend State U because that’s where his girlfriend was going. She thought it was the stupidest thing anyone could do, he’s throwing a great opportunity away. I protested that looking at it through the realm of evo-psych, his decision makes perfect sense. We can entirely understand a man not wanting to abandon or maintain a long-distance relationship with his wife. If you encourage teenagers to have sex with one another, be all lovy-dovey with another, all those same pair-bonding instincts are gonna be there. None are dependent on the piece of paper we call marriage. What kids see, though, is that the environment they are in is not too friendly to the stability of these relationships.

  30. MBlanc46 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, that last paragraph is priceless.

  31. MBlanc46 says:
    @SimpleSong

    Elegantly and concisely stated, SS.

  32. MBlanc46 says:
    @Travis

    I’m curious what percentage of my high school classmates—class of 1964–had engaged in sexual intercourse before graduation. I’ll bet it was less than the 15% drop since the 1990s.

  33. @Travis

    Of course teens should have friends, including friends of the opposite sex — but to me refraining from intercourse sounds like a good idea for most high-schoolers. 18-24 seems a smarter time to start getting busy

    • Replies: @Travis
  34. Kronos says:
    @Mike Tre

    Probably one of the best breakdowns on feminism, sexual market value, and social pressures to reengineer genetic hardwiring. It is certainly worth watching in its entirety.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  35. res says:
    @JohnPlywood

    You need to think about this in terms of both absolute age and generation (the paper below calls these age and cohort effects, also see their discussion of period effects). To add some more context, here is data from 1970-2002.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1586156/

    Table 1 has the data in numerical form if anyone wants to create a data set for a longer period.

    P.S. Notice how 15-24 year olds have the lowest suicide rates for all of both plots.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  36. The problem with charting and discussing any trend from 2009 to 2019 is that so much abruptly changed as of March 2020. Who knows what high school, college, the job market and the social/sexual scene will look like for someone who is 16 or 18 right now. Are kids just going with the flow for now or are they angry and worried deep down?

    Take social media as just one example. As of 2019 you might feel its addictive and demoralizing. But a year later perhaps it’s a desperately needed lifeline. I don’t know, but everything’s been turned on its head

    • Agree: Dissident
  37. Hootsman says:
    @Farenheit

    Every “mental disease” is in reality a physical issue.
    The very division of a person into multiple parts (“mind/body/soul”) is itself religious crap.

    Unhealthy body = unhealthy thoughts & expressions.

    The synthetic, domesticated way in which so many Westerners live: locked inside 24/7, vitamin deficient, totally reliant on the state, bellies bulging with alcohol, lab-made “food” and pills, is one of the main reasons why we are failing.
    Western people are sick, and Western society is sick as a result.

  38. @JohnnyWalker123

    According to that table, every groups’ depression has increased at about the time of the Great Awokening, but blacks only about half as much as everyone else (and mixed race—probably mostly mulattoes—about 3/4 as much), and boys somewhat less than girls.

  39. @Anonymous

    This increasing focus on “mental health awareness” you suspect might backfire also includes the intense adult obsession with kids “bullying” each other.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  40. “Psychologist” starts with “psycho”

  41. @Supply and Demand

    Okay but broken homes and chemical mood alteration were pioneered by Boomers back in the 1960s and 1970s, so why is the sudden jump in depression stats only 40-50 years later in the 2010s? The kids of Boomers were already grown by then.

    Was there a sudden jump in divorces and parental Xanax in the 2010s?

    The 2010s depression jump does correspond pretty well to social media uptake and the the Great Awokening though.

  42. @S. Anonyia

    That’s true, actually. The feminism of the 1920s was very different from the feminism of the 1960s and the feminism of today. I also agree that the sexual revolution is the proximal cause of a lot of this unhappiness, but I would still maintain that the root cause was feminism, or rather the dissolution of traditional gender roles.

    If women are going to be free to have multiple sexual partners before marriage without social opprobrium, men are of course going to take as much advantage of that as they can, and lose enthusiasm for marriage. If women are going to be allowed, (even encouraged) to work outside the home, then it’s no surprise that there will be less social stigma around men not financially supporting the women in their lives, and the men will drift towards pointless hedonism.

    Basically, feminism asks men to treat women like men. That is a really bad thing to ask for–men treat each other abominably!

  43. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Just as murders are the undeniable, un-rug-sweepable crime, successful suicide holds that role for mental health. Show me the dead girls, not their answers to tendentious surveys. Are there more dead girls, or is it just more fashionable to play the headcase these days? How many dead girls are there? @JohnPlywood’s graph makes the dead girl trend way less dramatic than the “I’m depressed!” drama queen trend.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Forbes
  44. @MBlanc46

    How many were married by the time they were 20?
    All my Aunts graduated in the early 60s and they all were married before turning 21. Most teenagers in 1960 were having sexual relationships with their boyfriends or girlfriends. The boomers did not invent sex. Teenagers in the 50s had more sex than in the 99s , since a third were married by the age of 19

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/time-series/demo/families-and-households/ms-2.pdf

    Even by 1970 the median age of first marriage was 21 for females. They were dating with serious intent on finding a husband when they were 18 and 19. Today women have a difficult time getting a steady boyfriend who has good intentions. Almost impossible for these girls today. Back in 1970 they could still force guys into shotgun weddings, which is no longer true. They lost a key advantage they had over men when abortion was legalized. Lost the ability to trap guys into getting married. The pill also made it hard to compete with all the loose women willing to give it up for free.

    A regular teenage girl today has it pretty bad compared to 20 years ago , before the internet turned so many boys into nerds. Very difficult for them to have a nice social life and obtain a decent boyfriend.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @MBlanc46
  45. @IHTG

    Correlation and causation

    Or – hen and egg… – whatever: This is serious.

    If the Great Awokening might not be the reason for this teenage mental health crisis it could still be looked upon as an indicator for real mental turmoils of the zeitgeist.

    The Great Awokening would then be the Angst Blossom (Martin Walser) of the new Flowers of Evil (Baudelaire).

    “The idea is to reach the unknown by the derangement of the senses. (…) I’m now making myself as scummy as I can.” (Arthur Rimbaud, Baudelaire’s successor. For him, Baudelaire was ok, but not really consequent – that’s why he attempted to be the even bigger genius – the one willing to make even more radical dives into insanity than Baudelaire. After his death at 37, Arthur Rimbaud was buried in Charlesvillle as a worldly saint, kinda.

    Arthur Rimbaud explained his will to suffer by auto-derangement:

    “Every form of love, of suffering, of madness; he searches himself, he consumes all the poisons in him, and keeps only their quintessences. This is an unspeakable torture during which he needs all his faith and superhuman strength, and during which he becomes the great patient, the great criminal, the great accursed—and the great learned one!—among men.—For he arrives at the unknown! Because he has cultivated his own soul—which was rich to begin with—more than any other man! He reaches the unknown; and even if, crazed, he ends up by losing the understanding of his visions, at least he has seen them! Let him die charging through those unutterable, unnameable things: other horrible workers will come; they will begin from the horizons where he has succumbed.”

    Main difference – most of the young members of Generation Snowflake stop at their state of depression, hangin’ on in quiet desparation,way before they’d reach total enlightened Rimbaudian – chaos.

  46. @Supply and Demand

    Interesting, but I’m a late X-er raised by completely dysfunctional and divorced Boomer parents, and I ended up a very normal, well-adjusted and productive person (that assessment is a little biased…). Anyways, I find Haidt’s explanation in “The Coddling of the American Mind” more compelling. For all my parents’ faults, I’m glad they raised me as a free-range kid. Probably one of the last. Maybe it wasn’t a parenting strategy and they were just hoping I’d get kidnapped or run over.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    , @Forbes
  47. El Dato says:

    Well, everything else we can imagine is under attack by the patriarchy and the right part of the political ledger so it’s only normal to be depressed.

    Hillary cited at Breitbart:

    I think a lot of women are feeling, um, discouraged. This appointment to the court is as clear a signal, uh, that there’s going to be a concerted effort to turn the clock back on women; on the LGBTQ community; on rights in general; a big shift toward corporate power toward those who are on the right of the political ledger when it comes to guns and climate and everything else we can imagine.

    Damn, Hillary has really let herself go. It must be the remorse about all the bad deeds she did, in and out of office.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  48. @SIMP simp

    I suspect much of the ‘depression’ and ‘anxiety’ that SJWs love to claim they have is really just baffled resentment that the world doesn’t accord them the deference they believe they are entitled to. But it may also be that neurotic, narcissistic people are attracted to this kind of group in the first place.

    • Agree: Forbes
  49. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re right it’s the constant Mental Health blather in schools.

  50. Alden says:

    The MEN OF UNZ sure are obsessed with teen girls and their sex lives.

  51. @Travis

    In the past kids of high school age weren’t supposed to be having sex at all yet we don’t read in historical texts of how melancholic they all were. It’s ridiculous for that article to say the current generation are ‘having less sex than ever before’; does the writer think history started when he/she was born?

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Pericles
    , @Travis
  52. @Altai

    “Social media is basically a giant multiplayer video game for young women”

    That’s a really good insight, thanks for writing.

  53. @Reg Cæsar

    Right wing political victories are strongly associated with increased suicide risk in multiple countries.

    http://www.roperld.com/politics/suicides.htm

    That is, the Democratic votes for the states had a 57% negative correlation with increasing SR and the Republican votes had a 45% positive correlation. States with high suicide death rate vote much more Republican than Democratic and vice versa

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12239203/

    Conclusion: Significantly higher suicide risk was associated with conservative government tenures compared with social democratic incumbents. Results are discussed in terms of the differences underpinning conservative and social democratic government programme ideology, and their relevance to Durkheim’s theories of suicide, social regulation, and integration.

    Of course ‘the patriarchy’, traditional gender roles, traditional (Christian) sexual mores, etc., were mostly (but not exclusively) about protecting and giving meaningful lives to women.

    Please, this is alt-right feminist bullcrap. Patriarchy was designed to restrain the society-destroying nature of women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  54. @Travis

    Having been a teenager in the early 90s, I seem to recall a wee mass hysteria about teen pregnancy.

  55. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Nice insights. I would add in the problem of men becoming more and more disadvantaged in school and the working world. It’s hard to form a family when the guy can’t get a decent job, and the woman can. That just fights against a lot of evolution. And then there are the divorce laws. Some guys think, why bother.

  56. Old Prude says:
    @Alden

    Half right.

    Speaking of which: why do so many otherwise attractive young women walk pigeon-toed? The three prettiest girls at work walk around like they’re wearing polio shoes. They would benefit themselves and all the men around them if they took a finishing class.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  57. @Almost Missouri

    You don’t need to have an uptick in divorces. Out-of-wedlock births are almost half the country’s new babies now. I’m sure there’s a small percent of stable homes in there in which the couple chooses not to marry — but I’m more than willing to bet the vast majority are year-old Becky getting pumped and dumped by Chad sometime in 2000-2007. That would slot them rather as Late Xers/Early Mils. Considering the data lag, I’d lean more toward the former.

    See here:
    https://www.bloombergquint.com/pursuits/almost-half-of-u-s-births-happen-outside-marriage-signaling-cultural-shift

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  58. @Alden

    Unfortunately, some of us will be/are fathers to them.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  59. @Anonymous Jew

    Congratulations for making it through the meat grinder, I guess. But that doesn’t mean that everyone is going to adapt as successfully to you to a mode of upbringing that is not civilizationally advantageous. In fact, you might have a large mob of maladjusted voters who are in the streets rioting to destroy you and yours through the power of state violence.

  60. @Anonymous

    You reap what you sow. I know of plenty of young guys in the Australian woke capital of Melbourne who are adamant that they will no longer defend a woman subject to physical or verbal assault in public because of the way all men are pilloried by local feminists following those rare and inevitable rape/murder cases which are wont to occur in human societies.

  61. I would have thought the education system would bear a fair amount of responsibility.

    In the UK, 15 year old girls (year 10) and younger (KS2) in London are taught this:

    You’re bored with it, you’re just British.
    White female, Year 10

    I’m not from a Caribbean country or an exotic country or even France or Spain. I’m from nowhere like that, I’m just plain British.
    White female Year 10

    It’s boring, I just want to be like from a different ‘race’, or a quarter something.
    White female KS2

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120514115058/http://www.teachingcitizenship.org.uk/dnloads/diversityandcitizenship.pdf

    Some middle class white parents think this is great. Janice Turner in the Times in 2007:

    My children understand that racism is the most heinous playground crime. They have grown up with Black History Month, assemblies on Nelson Mandela and our groovy new school building is named after the black Crimean nurse Mary Seacole (the children’s other suggestion was Rosa Parks). I feel with absolute conviction if they or any of their friends join the Army and find themselves training a bunch of recruits, they will not spur some laggard through the assault course by calling him a “black bastard”.

    For all we love to label our young people toxic degenerates, in one regard they look down at us from the loftiest moral heights. In all surveys, the young’s tolerance of other races and intolerance of racism itself far outstrips the adult population: 82 per cent of under18s, according to a National Research Centre poll, claimed they are not at all racially prejudiced, compared with 69 per cent of adults. While this reveals nothing about their actual behaviour, it reflects that racism is now taboo.

    No act of perceived racism now goes without exhaustive analysis….

    My father’s old monocultural generation is dying; the blithely colour-blind young are ascending.

  62. @Travis

    Allowing teenagers promiscuous sex is completely and utterly insane. As insane as putting kids on sex-change hormones before puberty.

  63. Travis says:
    @photondancer

    Teenagers were getting married in the 50s and 60s, so many more teens were in a healthy sexual relationship back in the 50s – 90s than today. Teen birth rates peaked at 97 per 1,000 in 1957, falling to 60 in 1990 and currently below 20 births per 1000 females. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    social media and feminism have made it more difficult for teens to have relationships. Women are discouraged by the media, schools and parents from forming long term pair bonds, marriage is discouraged while the media, schools and parents promote careers as the path to self-fulfillment instead of family and marriage.

    Time spent by teenagers on social media is reducing the time they spend sleeping – and lack of sleep impacts their mental health, weight and performance at school. In addition to social media, access to pornography has had a negative effect on sexual relationships.

  64. @DextersLabRat

    Throw Only Fans and Tiktok in there as well.

    Go on any of them and search for something fairly innocuous like ‘girls’.

    Yikes.

  65. Travis says:
    @Known Fact

    I agree, but sexual activity among 18-24 year olds is also down significantly since the advent of social media. more social media resulted in much less social interaction between the sexes, which has resulted in less marriages, less children and more depressed females.

    in 2018 22% of white women in the United States used antidepressant medication in the last 30 days, compared to just over 9% of men. the percentage of all Americans who filled at least one antidepressant prescription during a calendar year increased from 8% in 2004 to 16% in 2018. From 2010 through 2018, the percentage of adults who used antidepressants increased among women, but not men. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db377.htm

    Feminism and social media are toxic for women’s mental health. Lack of sex and reduced levels of marriage are due to both feminism and social media, resulting in depression and anxiety for American women.

  66. @Supply and Demand

    Okay then, was there a big uptick in out-of-wedlock pump-n-dump births around the turn of the century?

  67. It is an ideology of despair.

  68. @Supply and Demand

    Agree (except for “unfortunately”), and would add “already have been”.

    Arguably the most important (for society if not for the individual) family relationship is father-daughter and mother-son, because those form the prototype for adulthood reproductive relationships, so taking an interest in how those are going is natural for anyone who cares about the future.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  69. @JohnPlywood

    States with high suicide death rate vote much more Republican than Democratic and vice versa

    Whites kill themselves. People of color kill others. No surprise here.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  70. @DextersLabRat

    This was too funny NOT to comment off topic about, but my wife, no Instagram user, asked me “do you think I’m getting fat?” while she was putting on a dress to go to vote.* I said “no… not unreasonably so.” Haha, she may not have caught the last part, but she really liked my one later on. She asked me again about it (it’s just in the belly – needs some sit-ups), and I said “hey, you don’t need to be skinny to vote. Let’s go!”

    .

    * No, she’s in decent shape and has very highly disciplined eating habits. There are some “phone” “apps” that are really helpful, as you may know. She was 3,000 steps away from 20,000 the other day, and my boy said we had to help her get the next virtual coin or medallion or something. We went tear-assing around the house for 20 minutes, phone in hand, until the boy tripped and hit his forehead on a drawer knob. I finished off past 20,000, but then the app screwed her over later on and deducted some steps – I think it knew she’s a Trump voter.

  71. @Anon

    Women supposedly attempt suicide more often than men but succeed far less often. So it’s hard to tell how serious they are about it.

    But remember when “cutting” — self mutilation — was the big thing maybe 15 years ago among teen and college girls, at least according to the media? One college set me up with a girl who had agreed to be interviewed in-depth about her self-destructive habit. Maybe angry woke politics has replaced that kind of inward-directed activity.

  72. @Supply and Demand

    Haha, if you think China is the place to get away from the stupidity, you are deluded, my basic-economic-law touting friend. I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly 10 years ago. Chinese women are getting fatter (not obese, but enough to where it matters, sexuality-wise). Divorce is not at all unknown. They only don’t drink as much because their China-made brands of liquor suck ass, and many are flat-out allergic to alcohol.

    It’s not all that though, as they are still well behind the US in those ills. The social media is even bigger there, if you can believe it. About everything is donevia we-chat. The Social Credit, Health Credit, phone payments to go cashless, EVERY DAMN THING on those stupid pieces of knock-off iCrap is just sick to me. Do you think you will be able to keep your daughters off those “phones” when they will need them to just make their way in the world.

    As commenter Johnny Walker wrote above, at least the previous generations dealt with the real, physical world. I think it’s changing for the worse even more quickly in China than here.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  73. Pericles says:
    @Kronos

    The “working at McDonald’s” meme regardless if you attend college or not was alive and well before 2005!

    Yeah, nowadays young women with college degrees can instead of working at McDonalds monetize their asses with ‘sugar dating’ and ‘onlyfans’. Progress!

  74. Pericles says:
    @photondancer

    In the past kids of high school age weren’t supposed to be having sex at all yet we don’t read in historical texts of how melancholic they all were.

    Maybe it’s because now the kids are now pansexual transsexuals who only have gay sex in between taking their puberty blockers? Perhaps the surgery scars ache when the weather turns?

    Lol, come to think of it, there was a short clip on the TV news in the last few months where a bright eager teacher had diagrammed all the trendy perversions on a white board and were explaining them to children (looked like maybe 3rd grade) including some very confused looking third worlders. Welcome to Sweden!

  75. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    Among my friends and acquaintances, success in life seems correlated with staying married. Divorce is a costly disaster.

    • Agree: Muggles
  76. @Hangnail Hans

    “Psychologist” starts with “psycho”.

    Agreed! That is sick about the two little ones.

  77. @Alden

    Don’t you mean MEN OF UNZ™, Alden? People will just steal your stuff… you wouldn’t believe …

  78. @Achmed E. Newman

    All of those things you’re describing are particular to the Han. My wife’s family are Manchu Khalka. They’re milk drinkers, not rice eaters & baijiu guzzlers.

    As for myself, I don’t have any issue with the cashless society because I’m a net beneficiary — last year I was allowed into the DCEP trial thanks to my father-in-law’s guanxi connections. Wechat/Alipay are efficient for me as I never liked carrying cash around. Back in 2015 I was making like 1/3 or 1/4th of my purchases through bitcoin.

    It strikes me that older folks, especially boomers, have a shekelgruber fixation on running money through their hands. I inherited none of that jewishness.

    The other stuff you’re describing is certainly a concern for the petit boug striver or the non CPC-ensconced native. I live a totally different lifestyle from that. I’m not saying those aren’t valid issues, but it’s never going to matter for me and most White people who come here should be able to finesse an equally comfortable lifestyle that I did — providing you have an advanced degree and a modicum of charisma.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Polemos
  79. @Almost Missouri

    This was not to say “it’s bad to have a daughter” — this was to say “it’s bad to be currently dealing with a teenager”.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  80. @mousey

    good points! – “doing to me mentally” – social media IS addictive and is meant to be – it does operate directly on the neural hard wiring.

    Except for a very brief (inactive) period I was never “on” FB – never on the others. But 15+ years ago, I saw what just the beep announcing new email was “doing to me mentally” and turned that off.

    If you enjoy or find useful the social media stuff, I would not criticize that – but do keep that in mind as say, a baseline self- sovereignty test: can you turn it OFF – and keep it off … for a weekend – after 5pm whatever….

    and now my challenge is to see how many times today I check back for replies! here goes! -bye!

  81. @DextersLabRat

    Before social media, if you were an unpopular teen you had to wait until Monday to hear about what the Kewl Kids did over the weekend.

    Now, you can watch them having more fun than you, in real time, on your phone all weekend long.

  82. @JohnPlywood

    The current US suicide epidemic is a boomer and gen x phenomenon. Zoomers are still the best adjusted.

    Eyes, but can not see.

  83. nebulafox says:

    I suspect it isn’t much different for teenage boys. Being young in 2020 royally sucks. All the fun freedom of adolescence has been systematically stripped away, leaving behind a generation without any social skills or memories.

  84. Libre says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Well you banned everything fun, and now even hanging out is illegal, so what do you expect us to do?

    Signed
    A millennial

  85. @Hangnail Hans

    I worked at a professional society for PhD psychologists once. A significant portion of the group’s leadership had psychological issues of their own. That is evidently what stirred their initial interest in the field as students. They were trying to figure themselves out.

    (Just like the class nymphomaniac I knew who ended up a sex therapist.)

  86. @Old Prude

    How young are they? If they are early 20s Zoomers, it’s an anime-influenced thing. They are doing it on purpose to try to look cute. My husband’s younger sister does it. I had a lot of students who did it a few years ago too. It’s odd. Alternatively, maybe they need to exercise more.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  87. Libre says:
    @S. Anonyia

    The feminism of then it’s no different than now. They just hadnt revealed their full hand yet

  88. @SimpleSong

    Well said Simple Song. Very well said.

    Western Christian peoples are not animals. We’ve evolved the past few thousand years–and especially the last thousand or two under Christianity, to do well under a regime of committed loving monogamous marriage. As with anything there was always a considerable failure rate, not everyone’s marriage was happy. But in the Christian “patriarchal” “repressed” *system* people were overall happier with more meaningful lives.

    Modern feminism, female careerism, sexual liberation threw that all out. Young men and women–who should be yearning for each other–now look pass each other quite a bit. A lot of guys–with jobs–will end up–after years of unpleasant, unsatisfactory attempts and well acquainted with the behavior and attitudes of the “modern woman”–in the “why bother?” camp. (Why not just spend your paycheck yourself.) A lot of girls will be endlessly repeating the “where are the good guys”, “where is my guy!” and end up spinsters as their last eggs flush away each month.

    We’ve adopted the sloppy sexual mores of Africans. Our civilization will follow.

  89. @Farenheit

    Good point. Boys, too, but to a lesser extent.

    When I was a teacher I encountered teenagers EATING constantly. Like they needed some nasty junk food snack every 30 minutes. I called them out on it because even if they were sneaky I could hear their bags rustling and it got annoying.

    The typical female high school athlete isn’t as good as during the 90s/2000s for this reason. They have the bodies of 25-30 year old women.

    You have to really overindulge yourself to get fat as a teen. The first big metabolism slowdown occurs in the mid 20s. The parent basically enables their child to get fat by buying too many snacks or serving extra large portions. So it’s poor parenting in 90 percent of cases.

    • Agree: Farenheit
  90. Forbes says:
    @SimpleSong

    Basically, feminism asks men to treat women like men.

    More than that–feminism tells women to behave like men.

    –To be accustomed to multiple sexual partners, with no commitments, before outside of marriage.

    –Encouraged to work (outside the home) in order to be financially independent, and therefore not reliant on and committed to another.

    The result is less (or no) social stigma associated with sexual or marital infidelity; less emotional bonds making marriage commitment a transaction of convenience revocable at whim.

  91. I wonder if suicidal thoughts in these groups followed the trend noticed in the larger population during lockdown, which was an increase from roughly 7% to 25%.

  92. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    Yup. Most polling and surveys are performed for the purpose of pushing an agenda. An agenda that includes mass (social) media publicity for “look-at-me” attention (eyeballs, readership, clicks).

    And many respondents recognize this aspect and answer accordingly: Is it fashionable, popular, newsworthy, or am I a skeptical or a contrarian??

  93. Aardvark says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I recall from some 15 years ago stopping in a Starbucks one evening.
    I thought it was kind of eerie that all these people were in there (mostly younger than me by at least 15-20 years) and they were all busy doing social media or texting or something. I wondered if anyone was communicating online with someone else who was in the same room and they had no idea that person was just 15 feet away.

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  94. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    It seems to be a fact of life and evolution that relative adversity (not absolute adversity) for children and adolescents allows for a mature character development that is otherwise disadvantaged by parental intervention to protect and postpone that adversity.

    Whether free-range, or just allowing children increasing responsibility (raising expectations for their conduct), experience is the great teacher whose deferral is a loss and a detriment to an adolescent’s development into a mature adult.

  95. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Not just the teens, I assure you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  96. Travis says:
    @photondancer

    The majority of teen girls in the 1950s were having sex, because half of them were married and most of the rest had a serious boyfriend they were getting intimate with. This is why teen pregnancies peaked in 1955, Most of them were having sex by 19 and they were having more sex as teens in the 50s than girls today, mostly because they were married to young horny guys with high testosterone levels. todays American soy boys have low testosterone levels and spend more time watching porn than getting laid.

  97. @Anon

    Excellent point. Back in the 50s so many girls put a lot of effort into attracting a husband, because men could find better paying jobs. Today girls find more job opportunities, thus marriage is less attractive.

    The feminist movement, promoted by the media , schools and parents, has resulted in women being less happy today. Social Media has made it worse

  98. @Supply and Demand

    It sounds like you have a plan worked out, with your guanxi and all, for YOUR family, fuck what happens to society. Lets’ hear from you in 5 years about this. Perhaps it’s not exactly the running of cash through one’s hands but a reading of Revelation that has me thinking that your and our worlds (both more so, your) are in for some real trouble. Keep a good social credit, buddy, and good luck with all that …

  99. Mr. Anon says:
    @Known Fact

    This increasing focus on “mental health awareness” you suspect might backfire also includes the intense adult obsession with kids “bullying” each other.

    I get the impression that the anti-bullying campaign is mostly being used as a tactic by Big Homo to normalize homosexuality and every other kind of deviancy among children.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  100. @SimpleSong

    Basically, feminism asks men to treat women like men. That is a really bad thing to ask for–men treat each other abominably!

    Yeah, feminists truly believe that men are all involved in “good old boy” networks where they’re always giving each other a leg up, and conspiring to keep everyone else down.

    They can’t imagine what a competitive work environment is like, because they’ve never been anywhere near one. What’s it really like? It’s like war, that’s what.

    But that’s not what people see on TV or in the NYT, so they’ll never believe it. Heck, women and minorities are protected in business environments. White males should be so lucky.

  101. @Supply and Demand

    From what you write, it appears that you watch way too much television, and (like most TV watchers) confuse it with reality.

  102. @Hangnail Hans

    Nurses will often agree among themselves that mental health practitioners are attracted to the profession because “they’re a bit that way themselves“.

  103. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The MEN OF UNZ sure are obsessed with teen girls and their sex lives.

    Not just the teens, I assure you.

    Aren’t the two of you being sexist and perhaps even homophobic?
    What about teen boys?

  104. @IHTG

    Correlation and causation

    Or – hen and egg… – whatever: This is serious.If the great awokening might not be the reason for this teenage mental health crisis it could still be looked upon as an indicator for real mental turmoils of the zeitgeist.The great awokening would then be the Angst Blossom (Martin Walser) of the new Flowers of Evil (Baudelaire).

    “The idea is to reach the unknown by the derangement of the senses. (…) I’m now making myself as scummy as I can.” Arthur Rimbaud, Baudelaire’s successor.

    For him, Baudelaire was ok, but not really consequent – that’s why he attempted to be the even bigger genius – the one willing to make even deeper dives into insanity than Baudelaire. After his death at 37, Arthur Rimbaud was buried in Charlesvillle as a worldly saint, kinda. Arthur Rimbaud explained his will to suffer by auto-derangement here – he is talking about himself in the third person:

    “Every form of love, of suffering, of madness; he searches himself, he consumes all the poisons in him, and keeps only their quintessences. This is an unspeakable torture during which he needs all his faith and superhuman strength, and during which he becomes the great patient, the great criminal, the great accursed—and the great learned one!—among men.—For he arrives at the unknown! Because he has cultivated his own soul—which was rich to begin with—more than any other man!
    He reaches the unknown; and even if, crazed, he ends up by losing the understanding of his visions, at least he has seen them! Let him die charging through those unutterable, unnameable things: other horrible workers will come; they will begin from the horizons where he has succumbed.”

    Main difference – most of the young members of generation snowflake stop at their state of depression, hangin’ on in quiet desperation, way before they’d reach totally enlightened Rimbaudian – : – Chaos!

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  105. The thing is, much as with being “LGBTQ,” there is identity politics clout associated with being “neurodivergent.” Especially for boring, bog-standard white women, to say that you are depressed or some other form of mentally ill allows you to claim “special” status and feel better than those awful normies. It’s a form of social contagion just like the gender delusion one.

  106. @Reg Cæsar

    Red states aren’t particularly white, though. Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, etc have extreme levels of diversity. White states tend to vote democrat and have the lowest suicide rates in America.

    It’s white republicans like yourself who demonstrate sad and cuckish ideas like the one in your post that kill themselves. Help yourself out. Sell your guns to a police buyback and join me at the polls to vote for Joe Biden.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @anon
  107. @Dieter Kief

    Have social media and smartphones had a significant impact on German teenagers too? I was curious if German youths are any different from Americans.

    Do Germans have a culture of helicopter parenting and shut-in phone-addicted teens?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  108. @Supply and Demand

    The Boomers and Xers raised the Millennials and Zoomers in broken homes where drug abuse was rampant. My 9-5 is an education researcher in China, and I happen to have some US data from when I copy and pasted several hard drives of research and passed it off to the Chinese.

    Teen drug abuse has fallen a lot in recent years.

    https://archives.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/teens-drug-use-lower-ever-mostly

    Teens’ Drug Use Is Lower Than Ever (Mostly)

    Teens’ use of most illegal drugs is down—way down—except for marijuana, which is staying about the same. However, teens are vaping more often than before, and their use of inhalants has increased slightly.

    Those are some of the findings from the latest Monitoring the Future survey. More than 43,700 students in 8th, 10th, and 12th grades (from 360 schools across the United States) took the survey in 2017.

    View post on imgur.com

  109. Polemos says:
    @Supply and Demand

    What do you do when the power goes out?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  110. Muggles says:
    @El Dato

    Is that Hillary propped up at her funeral?

    Open casket?

    Glass eyes somewhat askew?

    Too much makeup though. Whorish. Or was that the intention?

  111. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    I suspect that a substantial fraction of my classmates were college bound, and hence nit married by 20. I know the guys that I knew weren’t engaging in intercourse with their girlfriends, if they had them. I know with my first gf, when I was in college, there was a lot of play, but nothing even close to intercourse. But this is all personal recollection. I’d like to see some serious statistics.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  112. @JohnPlywood

    Help yourself out.

    1) Thesis /2) antithesis 1/ 3) antithesis 2 / – now Hegel is waiting to fill in the gap – while – I kid you not, an owl*** is calling in the near woods, quite softly, in my early morning dawn – – –

    1) Always look at the bright side of life.

    2) (But – beware: It has its downside to be positive throughout – it’s the same as trying to be absolutely good – or clean or – – knowledgeable, even (/cf. Faust/ Goethe…) .

    3) Smile or die – by no one else than Barbara Ehrenreich.

    *** philosophy’s hour is in the evening and comes when the owl starts to roam the woods – so: These are two owls, one of them (the second one) rather Hegelian, the other one – rather Blochian, gliding – swiftly, looking for pray – into the first light of the day.

  113. @JohnnyWalker123

    Here at the lake (as in many rather rural regions) people have a life beyond the smartphone and (social) media. Youngsters too. Even the neurotic and/or depressed ones.

    I’ve not seen a lot of numbers about internet- (or smartphone) addiction though. A child psychiatrist, whose articles I read, says, he is seeing quite a few of them. And I do know two young men who just don’t make it into life and – hang out in the basement of their parents homes… (hikikomori). The number of kids in clubs is higher in Germany than in the US. Fasnacht, for example, is a thing of the masses – it starts officially in 11 days and lasts then until February with lots and lots of opportunities to meet, socialize and be – foolish/ funny/ not normal, somebody else….(a young and stylish young lady I know, who is doing a bit of Karate throughout the year, will turn into one of the Reed Witches soon – behind a grotesque mask, on lots of occasions – together with her peers. If she would look a bit more into politics, I’d say, she would be the prototypical reason to think, that everything will turn out fine around here (this kind of perfect youngster is what I’d be rather looking out for in Switzerland – because politics there is much more rooted into the daily life of regular people, not least because the direct democracy offers so many opportunities. It would be nice to quantify this, but you see it when being around right in front of your nose/ in the families and schools…).
    Helicopter parenting is a thing. As is narcissism to the n-th degree amongst teenagers. The ones I meet who don’t suffer from this condition often have religious and/or quite dense social ties (music, the sciences, social engagement – in Third World Shops, or at the (often communal) fire-fighters, the Red-Cross, local theatres, choirs, art groups…).

    (Maybe I’m too positive all in all – if so, this would at least be an upbeat mistake (I prefer those).

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  114. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood

    join me at the polls to vote for Joe Biden.

    Did you shave your head recently?
    Just wondering.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/new-yorkers-plan-to-illegally-vote-by-shaving-heads-foiled/

  115. @Dieter Kief

    So perhaps it’d be fair to say that in the rural parts of Germany (and Switzerland), social connections and traditions are still strong and people continue to have a life outside of smart phones&social media. The culture is healthy and people feel affinity to their local communities.

    However, in the urban parts of Germany (Berlin, Munich, Cologne, Hamburg, etc), young people are rootless, bored, and don’t have much of a life beyond their devices. They’re similar to American youths.

    Would that be fair to say?

    Would it also be fair to say that other parts of Europe (especially Western Europe) are similar to Germany in these respects?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  116. The primary cause is clear to me. Lack of physical intimacy during childhood, as well as the coercive nature of parenting and schooling. Age of consent should be abolished.

    The truth about pedophilia and child-adult sexuality, from research:
    https://pastebin.com/rtwHRvbW
    https://pastebin.com/hYbdNFL6

    • Replies: @anon
  117. @JohnnyWalker123

    I grew up in a metropolitan area with quite a few big companies around (BASF, HeidelbergPrinting Machines, BBC, SAP) – Manheim, as one of the three cities in this area (besides Heidelberg and Ludwigshafen), is No. 14 on the all-time worldwide list of the cities of inventions – so, I know a bit of urban European life from up close – but I’ve left this region and am living now in the (people around don’t like to hear this, but it is true) rather rural south.

    So – when I’m in Mannheim and Heidelberg for visits now, I feel a kind of a – – a little bit: Freaky/creepy – vibe. I do see a number of badly integrated people (migrants) in the streets, I hear about (slowly) deteriorating public schools, etc. I dunno. I left for good – my mother used to joke with me as a kid and tell me over and over again a nursery rhyme, which includes the name of the city I now live close to – I mean: I’m biased. And I might be a bit over-apprehensive.
    One of my nephews grew up in the biggest German city – he is doing alright! He spent a lot of time with PC- games while being a kid and – is now working as a PC technician – so. – If he wanted to climb up the ladder and – learn programming, for example, he could do so any time. The universities are open for people from the practical field, plus he has a high-school diploma.

    Berlin has 10% of the kids in the schools which are – officially (!) – listed as not schoolable. Switzerland does not have this category in its entire school system; youth correction centers/ prisons (I know one a bit) are always (!) schooling the inmates. Roughly half of those learn a craft of some kind, while being there.

    None of my (numerous) nephews reads though. One cousin and done step-cousin still do, but that’s about it.

    I think Douglas Murray is right in The Strange Death of Europe in noticing a certain exhaustion in – Western Europe (french novelist Michel Houellebecq catches on the same vibe as Murray).

    The people from the East or from the Baltics I meet differ here entirely. They still feel an enormous uplift. That is even true for the farmworkers (I know some of them quite well). – They are so happy, that the eastern nightmare is over, and are at times still overwhelmed when earning in – two months (of hard work, ok) here, what they earn in the rest of the year in – Romania or in Croatia or in Hungary or Poland, where many people still earn considerably less than what Germans get when being on welfare – and don’t even mention the Swiss***.

    *** one of my most striking stories is about a drug addict in rehab (a guy I knew in person – so this story is first hand!), who paid for – a horse of his own while being in rehab with the money he got for being there. “I love my horse, so I don’t spend much money on unnecessary things and that works out just fine”. – – – Benign social state…

    (May I ask why you are so interested in these things?)

  118. anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hangnail Hans

    Go away. Go far, far away. Nobody wants to see your kiddie-fiddling bullshit.

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  119. @Polemos

    There’s a yurt complex near Qiqihar and 400 khalka bannermen blood-tied to my FiL as a war-band. If you mean an electrical interruption, and not the apocalypse — I have a generator.

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  120. Polemos says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Amazing! Thank you for bringing your perspective to the site 🙂

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