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From the Washington Post news section:
How progressive Denmark became the face of the anti-migration left
By Emily Rauhala
April 6, 2023 at 11:00 a.m. EDTKAERSHOVEDGAARD, Denmark — Zero asylum. Send them back to Syria. Claims should be sorted somewhere else. It may sound like the rhetoric of the far right, but in this wealthy, Scandinavian welfare state, it has become the political center.
Denmark, polite and progressive, is profoundly skeptical of asylum seekers. Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, of the center-left Social Democrats, has touted a vision of “zero” people arriving to Denmark outside the United Nations resettlement system. A key priority for her government: working with European Union allies to set up claims-processing centers far away.
The Danish case offers a vivid example of how far-right ideas are flourishing, even where the far right has struggled to gain power.
Or maybe the Danish Social Democrat’s sensible immigration restriction policy isn’t far right anymore. It’s the new center and the old pro-onslaught of migrant shibboleths are now the new far left.
For some, Denmark demonstrates how rich democracies are eroding refugee and asylum protections, shifting blame and shirking responsibility — all without meaningfully addressing root causes.
The root causes for why the the Third World is full of Third Worlders seem a big challenge for little Denmark to “meaningfully address.”
And Denmark may preview where the E.U. is headed, as the 27-nation bloc warily watches rising migration numbers and mulls a more restrictive course.
Denmark’s hard-line stance does not apply to everyone seeking refuge. The country last year welcomed tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugees, easing their path to school and work. …
Denmark was not always like this.
Thirty years ago, the country was relatively open and welcoming, with strong protections for asylum seekers and refugees. But that started to change in the 1990s, as the anti-immigrant rhetoric of the far-right Danish People’s Party proved politically potent.
Anti-immigrant voices sold the idea that Denmark’s success was a result of its homogeneity — that protecting the welfare state required protecting “Danishness.”
Political figures on the right started saying that refugees should eventually be sent back to their home countries, recalled Haifaa Awad, a doctor who serves as chairwoman of the Danish aid organization Mellemfolkeligt Samvirke. “This was a right-wing agenda, but it was widely accepted by other parties that if you want to get into power, you have to play with their discourse.”
It’s almost as if the Danish right won the argument over immigration around 2000 and persuaded the other parties of the rightness of the policies.
Europe’s influx of refugees in 2015 and 2016 helped turn talking points into law. In 2015, the Danish Parliament introduced a new temporary protection status that could be withdrawn when conditions in home countries improve even slightly. In 2016, the government granted authorities the right to confiscate the jewelry and valuables of new arrivals, supposedly to fund their stay. “Anti-ghetto laws” sought to limit the number of “non-Western” people living in certain neighborhoods.
In contrast, while the Danes had modernized their ideology for the realities of the 21st Century by 2000, it took the Swedes until after the 2015 refugee own goal, Merkel’s Boner, for the Swedes to admit that times had changed and the Dane had a point. This probably goes back to Denmark having an admirable WWII — resisting the conquering Nazis and getting all 7000 Danish Jews safely out of the country — while the Swedes had a sleazy WWII: declaring neutrality but giving the Nazis big discounts on natural resources prices, charging the Germans one-third as much for coal as the also neutral but more bellicose Swiss charged the Germans. Even as admirable a Swede as movie director Ingmar Bergman rooted for the Nazis to win the Big One and only changed his mind with the discovery of the concentration camps in 1945.
In contrast, the greatest Dane Nihls Bohr and his Nobel Prize winning physicist son sailed to Sweden and made their way to Los Alamos.
Unfortunately, the Swedes, despite their poor performance in 1939-45, weaseled their way over the Danes, Norwegians, and Finns to the top of the postwar moral hierarchy.
But lately, Swedes has been coming around to the view that the Danes got it right.
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To be slightly fair to Sweden about WW2, Denmark sold a lot of food to Germany at market (high) prices.
And it was Baltic region Nordics who created Syria?
The Germans were the bad guys in WWII?
You owe me a dollar for this post.
I think the Danes and Norwegians make jokes about the Swedes, and the Swedes make jokes about the Finns, or is it the other way around? Oh whatever. They look all the same to me. 😀
It’s a trick. They are just sent to Malmo. It’s a short train ride away and has no border check. Danes who marry Outlanders just settle there.
Maybe as the USA Thingie loses power, Europe will finally protect itself and stop following the lead of Uncle Samantha.
Oh yeah, they should have been helping Joseph Stalin slaughter 30 million people like FDR and Churchill did. I mean, it’s not like they might of thought Soviet communism represented a threat.
https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/e/edwardgbulwerlytton/142668/edwardgbulwerlytton1-2x.jpgReplies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @The Germ Theory of Disease
"poor performance" Indeed...
Danes who look down on migrants and asylum seekers are short-sighted at best. Without immigration, Denmark — like virtually all of Europe — will shrivel up and die. The population is aging, the death rate is approaching the birth rate, and the only reason the population isn’t decreasing is because of immigration. Who’s going to support all those old, bigoted Danes? Immigrants and their descendants, that’s who.
The same can be said — to a lesser degree — about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It’s long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.
And it was Baltic region Nordics who created Syria?Replies: @George
Swedes stopped Hitler at the border, unlike The British Empire, The French Empire, The Soviet Union, and many minor nations.
It takes a lot of damn gall just to write the following:
This is why it’s hard to argue with these people. There are so many wrong assumptions … OK, lies, built into their arguments that’s it hard to get anywhere. You just have to tell them “NO!”.
Listen to the last few seconds of this AlGore rant, and you’ll see the same thing. Peak Stupidity has excoriated him on the Climate Calamity™ part of it here and here*, but watch from 0:25 to 0:38 (the end).
It’s just a few seconds of your time, and the spittle will not come through the internet… to think that this is the guy that invented it too!
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* We have calculations to demo the stupidity of the man, with one more post to come today or Monday.
Danes have a high national consciousness, even when it is not about race. For instance, in the EU, one can buy real estate freely if one is an EU member. Not in Denmark:
To be able to purchase property in Denmark you are required to have either a permanent residence in Denmark or have lived in Denmark for a consecutive period of five years.
No outsiders.
And the data I gave many times:
Denmark- population 5.8 M; GDP – 398.3 billion $
Pakistan- population 231.4 M; GDP – 348.3 billion $
Let me summarize your article:
Immigration bad. Nazis REALLY bad. Jews good!
That’s a good start but I’d like to see a confiscation of the “jewelry and valuables” of donors to the NGOs that promote the invasion.
Either way, I wish these Danes well. Unfortunately, it takes just a few years of rule by a pro-invasion party to create irreversible facts on the ground.
“… as admirable a Swede as movie director Ingmar Bergman rooted for the Nazis to win the Big One and only changed his mind with the discovery of the concentration camps in 1945.”
Somehow, tens of millions of nazis and Hitler admirers changed their minds, after the holocaust, in the same day German surrended. Man, if they only would have known during the war…the lost war I guess is the inferior explanation.
Denmark got revenge against Germany after May 1945. A lot of German infants in Danish refugee camps died because Danish doctors refused to treat German babies to get the German refugees to go back to Germany. The Danes are a tribal people relative to other Scandinavians.
From Danish TV …
Right. The left in this country had no problem with serious immigration restriction even as late as the mid-1990s – remember the late Black! congresswoman Barbara Jordan? (I know you do, Steve – I write this for the readers.)
There’s a meta-Overton Window thing going on here. They’ve been pushing the window on what you even call the positions on issues. No matter what the other ideology, being against open borders/population replacement is not far-right in the freedom v Socialism sense, but on the far end of the spectrum from far-stupid —- far-from-stupid.
The government in Denmark is far-from-stupid. America’s is stupid*. One may want to see it more as far-evil —- far-good, for the people.
Speaking of evil vs stupidity, I know “Merkel’s Boner” comes off the tongue pretty well, but we all know it wasn’t just a mistake. Having a female Chancellor who has this big amount of compassion (for the poor dead kid on the beach) in the short-term, but NO compassion for the people of Germany of the future was the problem. Here in the US we have plain evil men and women at the top. They know very well what they are doing (as did Merkel).
Sadly, it was the anti-Trump “resistance” that almost killed off the immigration restrictionist left.
I remember seeing a poll comparing 2015 and 2017 opinions among Democrats as to whether a wall should be constructed on our southern border.
The 2015 poll showed a 40-40 split with 20% undecided.
The 2017 poll showed a 60-20 majority against a wall with 20% undecided.
The only difference was the open borders left convinced a number of Democrats that the wall was bad because Trump liked it.
But then, Republicans have been known to quickly change opinions on other issues, depending on the whims of the big money donors
After Sweden has enough Islamists to start winning elections Swedish women will just have to adapt to laws requiring them to wear burkas.
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Nonsense. If the Swedish women start wearing burkas, how will the Muslim invaders know which women to rape?
Listen to the last few seconds of this AlGore rant, and you'll see the same thing. Peak Stupidity has excoriated him on the Climate Calamity™ part of it here and here*, but watch from 0:25 to 0:38 (the end).
It's just a few seconds of your time, and the spittle will not come through the internet... to think that this is the guy that invented it too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAYLSQIxTI
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* We have calculations to demo the stupidity of the man, with one more post to come today or Monday.Replies: @Wokechoke
He would not have invaded Iraq though. 9/11 might have been rumbled too.
Irreversible? Do these people become stuck to the earth and unable to travel once they migrate to the West? I’m not saying that it will happen, or that it would be easy, but immigrants and their descendants of every legal status could be sent packing. History is full of mass movements and expulsions of people from one place to another. There was nothing democratic about mass immigration, and it was all done in bad faith as a coup against the natives. Of course that should be reversed!
“The Great Merkelian Bumrush of 2015”.
The use of the word ‘protection’ for ‘refugees’ in this context of ‘international obligation’ is really nauseating and repulsive.
Nation states have no obligation whatsoever to ‘protect’ foreigners. Indeed the best that can be said of a nation state, if we ignore the very real obligation of deterring attack by outsiders, is that national governments, if worthy of that name, have a duty to maintain peace at home.
It may sound like the rhetoric of the far right…
Like anyone in favor of an actual border is a hate-filled monster
The Washington Post‘s Emily Rauhala uses the megaphone to present her narrative:
So Rauhala lavishes column-inches (and a sympathetic photo spread) on showcasing the Good Guys’ expositions of the many harms of the less-open and less-welcoming policies. The extreme rightists of the new center don’t get any space to make their case. It’s obvious — they don’t have a case.
If there were any statistics concerning any adverse impacts that third-world asylum-seekers and immigrants had made on any of the host societies of Scandanavian, the Post would have shone a light on them. (Democracy dies in darkness.) Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
Leapfrogging loyalties, all around.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211019152215/https://www.thelocal.dk/20211015/denmark-says-non-western-immigrants-cost-state-31-billion-kroner/They link the full report here, but it is in Danish.
https://fm.dk/media/25228/indvandreres-nettobidrag-til-de-offentlige-finanser-i-2018.pdf
This detailed post by James Thompson covers a study of the Netherlands.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/costly-immigration/Replies: @ic1000
Sweden’s craven behavior continued well after the end of WWII, specifically regarding the Soviet “disappearance ” of Raoul Wallenberg. When in October 1981, a Soviet submarine became grounded in a restricted Swedish military zone, the government immediately announced that it would not use this as leverage to finally get an answer as to Wallenberg’s fate after his arrest by the Soviets in Budapest in January 1945.
Since Emily Rauhala and her editors have raised the issue of luxury beliefs, it might be worth noting that none of Ms. Rauhala’s loved ones live in Malmö. Or Rotherham. Or Brattleboro.
Along with all the other little luxuries they enjoy.
Thankfully, it appears that Denmark has rejected the Left’s morality.
Unfortunately, they replaced that morality with a squishy morality based on the welfare state and “Danishness.” Much simpler to say Denmark for the Danes – and be explicit that Dane is defined by blood.
But this baby step is the size of the Grand Canyon compared to the Left’s “we’re all the same” and civic nationalism’s “if you believe in these principles, you’re an American” silliness.
Let’s hope the West follows Denmark’s lead.
Swedes are moral exhibitionists, plus they are surrounded by buffer states. Danes, Norwegians and Finns have all had to deal directly with foreign powers in recent times. This insulation gave them undue confidence in their ability to manage internal problems.
As for WWII, Sweden chose, like Spain and Ireland, to put its people first. Sweden feared Russia more than Germany. It’s a tough choice so (unlike my Norwegian relatives) I don’t blame them for it. When Germany had clearly lost Sweden immediately made concessions to Stalin, for example turning the Baltic soldiers who escaped the Courland Pocket over to the USSR and certain annihilation.
I suspect the voters did the persuading.
A lot of pro-immigration proponents, especially in the business world, simply don’t have the same frame of reference as people who post here. A lot of German elites regard Germany basically as a corporation they are running. Germany needs more workers, so they go out and find more. At some point they will decide the German language is a drag on productivity and try to throw that out as well. They are also deeply convinced that their autism on this issue is a sign of their own moral superiority. Not sure how you win an argument with people like that.
There's a meta-Overton Window thing going on here. They've been pushing the window on what you even call the positions on issues. No matter what the other ideology, being against open borders/population replacement is not far-right in the freedom v Socialism sense, but on the far end of the spectrum from far-stupid ---- far-from-stupid.
The government in Denmark is far-from-stupid. America's is stupid*. One may want to see it more as far-evil ---- far-good, for the people.
Speaking of evil vs stupidity, I know "Merkel's Boner" comes off the tongue pretty well, but we all know it wasn't just a mistake. Having a female Chancellor who has this big amount of compassion (for the poor dead kid on the beach) in the short-term, but NO compassion for the people of Germany of the future was the problem. Here in the US we have plain evil men and women at the top. They know very well what they are doing (as did Merkel).Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Alden
As recently as 2015 immigration restrictionists were as common as open border types among rank and file Democrats. The leaders, financed by people who profit off of mass immigration, felt differently.
Sadly, it was the anti-Trump “resistance” that almost killed off the immigration restrictionist left.
I remember seeing a poll comparing 2015 and 2017 opinions among Democrats as to whether a wall should be constructed on our southern border.
The 2015 poll showed a 40-40 split with 20% undecided.
The 2017 poll showed a 60-20 majority against a wall with 20% undecided.
The only difference was the open borders left convinced a number of Democrats that the wall was bad because Trump liked it.
But then, Republicans have been known to quickly change opinions on other issues, depending on the whims of the big money donors
As Milton Friedman once said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state. A large welfare state acts as a magnet to pull in the wrong type of immigrants. High immigration only worked in early 20th century America because there was no extensive welfare state and there were no government policies in place discouraging assimilation. Even then the large numbers of immigrants coming in finally resulted in most big cities having large numbers of ethnic neighborhoods where there was little interaction with outsiders. This led to an act reducing immigration in 1924.
Immigrant families in America now receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes. Polls also show they support a large welfare state that benefits them. We are not going to be collecting enough taxes from younger immigrants to pay for all the Social Security and Medicare benefits Boomers are expecting so the argument that we need immigrants for that reason is faulty. We need to follow the Danes in reducing immigration and only allow in immigrants who are likely to stay off welfare and not commit crimes.
The problem the US has is that almost any immigrant, even an African, is less likely to go on welfare and less likely to commit crime than a native born black citizen.Replies: @Art Deco
Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. There actually are statistics like that available which makes your statement even more appropriate. They tend to be a bit hard to find with web searches (funny how that works), but since we are talking about Denmark.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211019152215/https://www.thelocal.dk/20211015/denmark-says-non-western-immigrants-cost-state-31-billion-kroner/
They link the full report here, but it is in Danish.
https://fm.dk/media/25228/indvandreres-nettobidrag-til-de-offentlige-finanser-i-2018.pdf
This detailed post by James Thompson covers a study of the Netherlands.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/costly-immigration/
https://web.archive.org/web/20211019152215/https://www.thelocal.dk/20211015/denmark-says-non-western-immigrants-cost-state-31-billion-kroner/They link the full report here, but it is in Danish.
https://fm.dk/media/25228/indvandreres-nettobidrag-til-de-offentlige-finanser-i-2018.pdf
This detailed post by James Thompson covers a study of the Netherlands.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/costly-immigration/Replies: @ic1000
Two years ago, Ayaan Hirsi Ali weighed in at UnHerd. “Sweden’s migrant rape crisis: European liberals never ask uncomfortable questions about immigration.”
In the US, no migrant crossing from Mexico can claim asylum.
Our good friends in the Mexican government doesn’t persecute it’s citizens and other nationals found safe harbor when they first left home.
There is no need for a border wall, two strands of barbed wire 100 yards apart and a shoot to kill policy of everything between them would do it.
First week would be a bit noisy.
First month would be a bit smelly.
Then All Quiet On the Southern Front.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/border-agents-falsely-accused-of-whipping-migrants-punishment/
Denmark has a positive balance of payments. The French, Germans and Italians do not. (Sweden does fwiw.)
Germany's trade balance is holding up well considering their energy prices have tripled.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/balance-of-trade
It wasn’t the Danish right Steve, it was the Danish far right. The Danish right wanted more immigration. They were particularly upset by pro-working class policies like certification processes for tradesmen which were inexplicably different than the rest of Europe making it hard to import foreign ones from elsewhere until they finished a whole duplicate two year course and had proficient Danish.
The Danish Peoples Party got into a right wing coalition and were given control of immigration. This was a critical time because this was when the early asylum waves of immigration began and the subsequent seeding of diaspora that would pull more and more immigrants in. Immigration begets more immigration both through diaspora networks but also through the altering of the labor market to become more biased towards cheap immigrant labor and the use of agencies to recruit them, often from abroad directly.
Blocking that asylum wave driven by the internet was a big deal as it meant there was barely any immigration at all, though the Denmark didn’t sign on to the 5 year moratorium (All the other 15 aside from the UK and Ireland did, this led to the biggest migration to those islands in history and the housing bubble in the UK and Ireland with all the cheap labor. It also led to Brexit.) on the right to live and work for the citizens of the new accession countries to the EU which included Poland and 7 other former communist countries. Though you can find many a Lithuanian tending bar or sweeping streets in Copenhagen, their entry to the broader labor market was very much blunted by these regulations as well as the lack of familiarity with Danish.
By contrast this didn’t happen in Sweden. Though both countries had very similar levels of immigration prior to the late 90s, afterwards they diverged and it would take a generation or so before this became truly apparent with the much lower numbers of young men of foreign origin in peak criminal years running around. Once things started to blow up Sweden, in particular Malmo (The most immigrant saturated city in Sweden), so close to Copenhagen that many people commute to work from one city to the other, any pressure to not accept the bullet Denmark missed (And missed alone, there is no Western capital city as free from immigrants and their descendants as Copenhagen, maybe Reykjavík but that’s it.) was gone. There are plenty of people of immigrant origin in Copenhagen but they’re far fewer and far more segregated.
But the real reason it was so easy to accept was because immigrants were so thin on the ground, a terrible moral inversion, being more concerned about hurting the feelings of outsiders than natives was predisposed to take place in Denmark, particularly in Copenhagen but didn’t, because they were so few that Danes could talk freely amongst themselves at work, at school at home without so much fear of what ‘Achmed’ “who is so nice” would think. They were allowed to say what they really thought.
That Achmed is allowed to take immigration policy in a foreign country he lives in personally is a given across the West, that Kornelius should too is seen as a sign of his moral depravity across that same West. This constitutes a kind of “immigrant veto” on these policies.
In Denmark what I call “the immigrant veto”, that once an immigrant arrives, you aren’t allowed to ever admit his admittance was a mistake, isn’t able to exert the same influence. Similar to the whole “nobody is illegal!” slogan. The people aren’t illegal, their presence in the country is but it’s easy to take it personally and conflate the two.
I would say another factor that may have been involved is the Danish bible belt in Jylland, my father observed that maybe it was because the cultural capital of the country was on an island detached from it, that maybe that is why it remained so insulated from it’s liberal influence. It’s possible that this provided a particularly strong grist for an anti-immigration right as opposed to a typical pro-capital, pro-immigration right.
But make no mistake, Denmark isn’t Hungary (Thankfully) the people there are more liberal and more progressive than almost everyone in the West. For instance the biggest Danish cultural export since Mads Mikkelsen, “The Killing” which kicked off the ‘scandi-noir’ genre has it’s first scene depict the killer being racist and his motivations to kill the Danish girl are to punish her for planning to elope with a second generation Persian boy next door. (An inversion of who typically does the ‘honor-killing’) But it’s just mass migration is just a dumb policy unless your goal is to ethnically displace the existing population or to crush labor standards. Indeed, it’s difficult to find a reason, outside Jewish influence for the left to be for it at all.
A strong welfare state and sense of egalitarianism also means a strong incentive for a control on immigration.
The appalling vista from all this is that once a large enough immigrant descended population exists it becomes hard to end immigration because how do you implicitly or explicitly tell those immigrants that letting them in was a mistake? Indeed, you get into the issue of “mistake for whom?” and an implicit question of who the country belongs to.
Which goes back to the ruling mantra in the West (Denmark excepted) that non-whites only have legitimate collective interests and pride and no responsibility but native whites have no legitimate collective interests or pride only collective responsibilities.
Immigration is deeply anti-social and constitutes social and economic pollution. But are immigrants and the descendants of immigrants capable of admitting that?
1) Dansk Folkeparti is not what Americans would call a far-right political party. Like other so-called rightest parties in Europe it aims to preserve the welfare state, with the understanding that the greatest danger to the welfare state is the influx of foreign parasites that intend to free ride on it. DF's agenda: keep out the parasites, preserve the welfare state. Economically, a leftist agenda.
2) Malmo is the place in Sweden with the most severe immigrant yuff problems. Malmo is just over the bridge from Copenhagen, and full of foreigners who want to live in Denmark (because they or their family members work there) but cannot get permission. In Malmo, the Kurds gang up against the Palestinians, who gang up against the Pakis, who gang up against the Somalis, who gang up against ethnic Swedes, in a daisy chain of tribal warfare.
3) I agree that Jylland is different, though I'm skeptical that it has been as influential as Copenhagen. I also agree that there is the problem of not offending people who have been accepted. This is a problem everywhere, including America -- the toothpaste is out of the tube, as John Derbyshire has said -- you have to learn to live with those who already have an established base in your country.
Mass 3rd world immigration should be anathema to a social democrat who wants a functioning state with protections for workers, but most modern socialists are just neoliberal creationists who hate White people. Their entire moral framework is based on what hurts or helps Whites, with hurting them being the moral good in their mind. Good on Denmark for getting their heads out of their asses.
The common people are suffering from mass immigration; no socialist is. That tells you everything.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
I’ll be the wet blanket: Denmark is dying.
This woman’s “vision”–not even implemented yet–is simply death on the installment plan. Denmark has 1.5ish TFR–which you bet is immigrant/immigrant background heavy and lower for Danish girls–and is taking in 2.73 immigrants per thousand people. (I.e. .273% of its population yearly, while natural reproduction–even at replacement TFR would, for an 80 year lifespan only be 1.2%.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Denmark
People just do not seem to “get” math. “Nation of immigrants” means “death”. It’s that simple. If you are going to run immigration forever–not swapping the odd expat going to work elsewhere for a quality integrable replacement, but immigration–then you will be replaced.
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And … taking refugees is stupid. I’ll say the obvious … again:
“Refugees” are people who have so screwed up or have made themselves so unwelcome in their own country that they have to flee. These are last people you should want in your country. The least likely to integrate well and be productive and loyal citizens. These are people whose resume basically says “screwup” or “troublemaker” or “bad neighbor” in big bold red letters. That’s who you want to essentially marry … give to your kids as a partner, a mate in the future of your nation.
This whole “refugee” ideology–moral preening–is just the dumbest thing imaginable. Your nation does not owe the screwups and troublemakers of other nations a place to live.
The correct number of refugees to take is … zero.
That slightly understates it because the child of two Denmark-born Somalis counts as Danish, as well as non-white immigrants who are EU citizens. This is not a large group however. Still, it is about 90% white.
Also helpful is that there’s no one huge non-white group. Turks, blacks, Arabs and South Asians are all 1.5% or less of the population.
the difference is probably partly explained by HBD. many Danes are descended from vikings. Swedes are not. Swedish people were not vikings. some people in Denmark and Norway still have balls.
And quickly ruled what’s now Russia and Ukraine. And created the very powerful Byzantine Empire military police and internal security forces. Until the Turkish conquest. At which time they quickly assimilated and converted.
The Danes and Norwegians went west and south all along the Atlantic coast of Europe. And west to Ireland Iceland Greenland and Canada.
The languages were the same until the 19th century, the rise of European Nationalism century. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish were created in that century by college and high school teachers.
Swedes are descendants of Vikings as are Russians due to the Viking conquests
DNA results are generally “ Scandinavian” rather than Danish Swedish or Norwegian. Norway and Sweden were once the same country.
Pretty much the canonical “good white woman” paragraph.
This is actually the crux of the issue. But it is precisely the minoritarians, the immigrationists, the big-staters, the establishment who do want to have any discussion about actual “responsibility” and “root causes”. Those are people who hate the entire idea of responsiblity–and the “far right” notion that people are responsible for the quality of their lives, their communities, their nations.
And the thing is, this woman–WaPo Brussels bureau chief, no doubt “educated” with a couple degrees–is literally too stupid, too ignorant to understand any of this.
I’m not sure why you’re going through all this trouble, Emily Rauhala, Washington Post writer. They’re not paying you, are they? I mean, the folks of the Danish right, that is… because you are basically helping them win elections with this writing. You do know that, right?
And, if you want to STAY in power in Denmark, you might want to even actually DO all that shit.
Steve, please stop using the phrase “it’s almost as if”. Just don’t do it, I’m begging you.
My family in Denmark, two wonderful women — one in her 40s and the other in her 20s — began their political identifications as Social Democrats. But basically, like most Danes, they’ve lived their lives conservatively. The immigration issue is a deal-breaker for them. Danes are very protective of their country and its social welfare state designed to protect their fellow citizens from falling into disrepair due to a lost job or illness of some sort. My two favorite women have not exactly embraced all of policies of the center-right parties; but they do consider themselves as nationalists, which they view as pragmatic rather than political. They still don’t like guns.
Yeah, the “far right”. Always the “far right”. Funny, how there is no such thing as the “far left”. I dare say that Emily Rauhala is “far right” when it comes to protecting her own family and property.
Doesn’t “it’s almost as if” indicate extreme irony?
Seems to be a useful tool for a writer.
It’s almost as if he’s egging us on, Gabe.
Swedish vikings went east. Sailed all the way down to the Black Sea. Scandinavians have been using that trade route since the Bronze Age. Greeks and Scythians had a big influence on their culture. Probably where their runes came from. I suspect Odinism came from there, too, since a lot of the early depictions look like they were rip-offs of Scythian art.
This is standard for the media. The way you win a debate is to not have a debate. Frame the question in such a way that the other side doesn’t even have an argument. They are just moustache-twirling cartoon villains. NPR has been doing this for years, for example, with All Things Considered which actually only considers very few things.
Plus, LEGOs… real LEGOs, not the cheap-ass falling-apart Chinese knock-offs. My boy was missing one little part. That will hold up the whole show, and this was one with a few hundred necessary to make the vehicles (one of those 2-in-1, of the “Technics” series – they have series, you know).
I called them with the model #, part #, and the page # from the instructions. I remember it wasn’t the •Indian horrible “customer care” experience that one normally gets nowadays.
We got the part within a week, with some letter and zeroed-out bill in English but written by these Danish people themselves. I went just now, Buzz, and found the nice and apologetic letter from 4 years ago, but it was missing one part, or I’d scan the thing in for this comment.
After that, my son found the part. I felt so bad about impugning the integrity of LEGO Q/A that I had to call them up and tell them we found it, so they, what, wouldn’t feel bad? I know, I know, but I’ve never dealt with any big company that acts, like nice and all.
https://twitter.com/klejdys/status/1644727806679498753?s=20Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
Have another look at that graph – Germany and at least one other country on that slightly odd graph – 5 lines but only 4 labels – have a positive trade balance as well as Denmark.
Germany’s trade balance is holding up well considering their energy prices have tripled.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/balance-of-trade
The Danes are a good example of perfectly ordinary people who got
rich by following Steve’s favorite dictum: Don’t be a knucklehead! As
someone said, 80% of life is showing up. You certainly don’t need to be
smart in order to get rich. Denmark’s GDP, as I recall, grew at a very
unremarkable rate of roughly 1% a year for over 100 years! That’s all you
need. Using the language of Game Theory, simply follow the Mini-Max
Principle in life, i.e., minimize the maximum possible losses, and you’ll be
okay. What helped Denmark was its location – too far north to be of
interest to the major predator nations in Europe: Germany, Russia, and
France.
So it takes about 20-30 years for a most advanced and agile polity to become aware of a crisis and shift its political limits?
The Anglo-Saxons who preserved Beowulf (the poem) seems to think the Swedes liked a scrap.
Not a liberal, then.
Lay the victim on his stomach.
Feel for the top and bottom of the rib cage.
Make deep cuts through the muscle about 3 inches from the top and bottom of the rib cage.
Slice along the spine top to bottom of the rib cage.
Sever the ribs from the spine.
One Viking grabs one side of the rib cage. Another the other side.
Aaand pull the rib cage apart
It looks like bloody wings.
Many horrible customs. Major slave raiders and traders. Some historians claim 70 percent of the population were slaves. Worse than Rome at its height of slavery. Sacrificed the harems of the warlords when the warlord died. Their Caste system of warlords and priests then craftsmen and merchants and lowest of the low the workers was as rigid as Hindu India.
Denmark is proof that immigration is not really a central woke tenet. Why does Hungary gets a bad reputation on account of anti-immigrationism and Denmark not? That’s simple. When a government defies central woke tenets, everything it does is attacked. Few will notice these inconsistencies in woke discourse. The objective truth is that immigrants are usually less woke than long-time Europeans. Thus, restricting immigration is a pro-woke thing. It just has to be done the right way, in an acceptable ideological environment.
That Washington Post article will have zero resonance. Regarding Japan also, there is occasionally some Western loon who will complain about how homogeneous it is, and how it must “enrich” itself. So far, this has had zero impact, and that’s how it will always be.
Reminds me of a comment I once saw at this site: "Feminists don't want children, so their societies have to import people from anti-feminist societies to keep up the population."
They are all closely related, but Norwegians are a bit thinner and darker than Swedes and Danes. Finns and Estonians have a slight asiatic element, smaller noses, and resist skin tanning even more than other nordics.
Forgive, Steve. He lives in a late 20th century America mindset.
You just look out for number one.
As for WWII, Sweden chose, like Spain and Ireland, to put its people first. Sweden feared Russia more than Germany. It's a tough choice so (unlike my Norwegian relatives) I don't blame them for it. When Germany had clearly lost Sweden immediately made concessions to Stalin, for example turning the Baltic soldiers who escaped the Courland Pocket over to the USSR and certain annihilation.Replies: @Dutch Boy
Sweden was wise to stay out of the WWII debacle (as was Switzerland). If it required greasing Germany a bit, so be it. The Norwegians had a legitimate beef with Sweden when the Swedish border guards attempt to prevent the Crown Princess of Norway and her three children from escaping to Sweden in 1940. Fortunately, her driver drove his vehicle through the barrier the guards lowered. The Norwegian and Sweden thing dates back to 1814, when the Norwegians attempted to become independent (they had been ruled by Denmark for centuries) and wrote a constitution, only to see the victorious powers cede Norway to Sweden, as recompense for Russia’s seizure of Finland. This rankled the Norwegians and the animosity has lingered even though Norway became independent in 1905 (my Norwegian grandfather was a Swedophobe). Nowadays, the antagonism is somewhat jocular in Norway but a Norwegian cousin of mine who has worked in Sweden says the antagonism there is real.
https://tubitv.com/movies/441467/the-king-s-choice
Well, on the same token, demogrphics is the key. When your Greatest Danes who are Jews like Niels Bohr all depart to the US, your country goes native. When US gets conquered by your Greatest Danes,it tends to welcome open borders.
While the situation isn’t good in Denmark, it’s better than its peers. It is 8.8% “non-european immigrant and their descendants.”
That slightly understates it because the child of two Denmark-born Somalis counts as Danish, as well as non-white immigrants who are EU citizens. This is not a large group however. Still, it is about 90% white.
Also helpful is that there’s no one huge non-white group. Turks, blacks, Arabs and South Asians are all 1.5% or less of the population.
Gore was the biggest hawk in the Clinton White House and he absolutely would have greenlit every death project brought to him. The difference between him and W is Gore was better at business and better spoken.
“And getting all 7000 Danish Jews safely out of the country”
Good one Steve.
“What have you done today, fellow Dane, to retard African fertility?”
Anthony Beevor in his book The Second World War says that Wallenberg was executed by the Russkies in 1947.
His source? Sergo Beria's book "Beria, My Father: Inside Stalin's Kremlin." That's hardly the last
word on this topic, which has been debated for decades. First, the Soviets said that he died in 1945; then he died in 1947, but they can't agree on whether they shot him, tortured him to death, or poisoned him. Maybe all three.
In any event, the Swedish government's decades-long behavior regarding Wallenberg's fate was shameful.
Swedes were vikings too. They just went south and east instead of west and south.
And quickly ruled what’s now Russia and Ukraine. And created the very powerful Byzantine Empire military police and internal security forces. Until the Turkish conquest. At which time they quickly assimilated and converted.
The Danes and Norwegians went west and south all along the Atlantic coast of Europe. And west to Ireland Iceland Greenland and Canada.
The languages were the same until the 19th century, the rise of European Nationalism century. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish were created in that century by college and high school teachers.
Swedes are descendants of Vikings as are Russians due to the Viking conquests
DNA results are generally “ Scandinavian” rather than Danish Swedish or Norwegian. Norway and Sweden were once the same country.
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
You have a gaping hole in your description, that indicates you live in a fantasyland.
Because of the dramatic collective IQ drop that would occur, if Denmark were to cheerfully indulge in your fantasy of replacing themselves with the world’s traumatized refuse, Denmark will most certainly “shrivel up and die,” since the new support population of random superstitious third world idiots would be unable to maintain the quality of life they abandoned their shit countries for in the first place.
They don’t have the brains to support Danish culture, so they must fail.
Crowbar it into your pumpkin head: IQ is real. IQ matters.
So… the winning strategy for a better prosperity would be to exclude bringing in every loser from around the third world, and former Ottoman Empire, and rather include strategies for robotics to take on the repetitive shitwork normally prescribed to some fat little Turkish woman, seedy carpet-bagging Syrian, or cross-eyed, inbred low-IQ African, while encouraging population maintenance via long-time citizens having more children. But otherwise, generally close the door for immigration, until the immigrant shitheads they are already plagued with can be culturally assimilated, incarcerated, or deported.
And hopefully, learn this lesson for all time.
Sleep on that. Goldilocks.
I enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful Danish women on Instagram. Seeing the Danes socialize the country looks like it has such a high quality of life. Happy and healthy looking people. They must be the most patriotic country on earth. I see people waving little Danish flags at social events. They even have birthday cakes with the Danish flag on it. They love their country and I can understand why. It looks like a utopia to me compared to what average Americans experience.
https://i0.wp.com/timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Falck-Ambulance.jpg?ssl=1
The view from Tivoli Gardens is quite capitalistic at night:
https://onlines.dk/richshuset/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/richshuset-1963-1340x800.jpgReplies: @Pixo
Apparently a Canadian (Queens Univ. ’05) of Finnish descent. Rauhala means “place of peace”. (Google translate also offers up ” calm down”. Hmm… rauhoittava is “tranquilizer“.)
She is also a white supremacist, judging by this from seven years ago:
China’s fight for same-sex marriage is just beginning
Hey, where did the admirable Danes send those Jews anyway?
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
Denmark actually has statistics on how much immigrant groups put in and get out of the system. And guess what – non European immigrants get way more money out then they put in… so no way these immigrants can solve issues with the aging demographics
No, all socialists at all times are just power-hungry bastards. They’ve calculated that Gramscianism pays better than Marxism, hence “wokeness”.
The common people are suffering from mass immigration; no socialist is. That tells you everything.
Thats why borders should be open for everyone, as this Dimitri suggested.
Right to work in a particular community is another matter and should be regulated per that community.
That’s because the Swedes were willing to reach an accommodation with the Germans. This has happened many times in history elsewhere, so no change there.
“And then they came after the Danes.”
That’s basically my point. This supposed “best of” is still on a path to national extinction.
The actual “centrist”, station keeping position would be
— zero immigration
— sending enough immigrants back to compensate for their higher fertility.
Demographics maintained in their current degraded state.
Everything left of that is a path toward national extinction. And Denmark is just on a somewhat slower path.
Actually, preserving Denmark–or any other of these nations–is
— zeroing immigration
— expelling all the immigrants
— then working to expel the non-natives who do not “fit in”, cause problems, etc.
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Again, people just do not want to “do the math” and accept what a disaster the current situation is. Even the one Western nation that is not avidly speed boating toward the precipice still has a big Johnson outboard pushing it that way.
Our good friends in the Mexican government doesn't persecute it's citizens and other nationals found safe harbor when they first left home.
There is no need for a border wall, two strands of barbed wire 100 yards apart and a shoot to kill policy of everything between them would do it.
First week would be a bit noisy.
First month would be a bit smelly.
Then All Quiet On the Southern Front.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
Good thoughts, but at the moment the Biden administration feel that the Border Patrol officers falsely accused of whipping Haitian border crossers with their reins, should be punished anyway. The purpose being to discourage Border Patrol officers from doing their jobs, apparently.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/border-agents-falsely-accused-of-whipping-migrants-punishment/
The common people are suffering from mass immigration; no socialist is. That tells you everything.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
Worse still, “closed borders” of socialist states affect first their commoners people. While the useful migrants do still migrate, and the useful minorities, and of course the socialist elites.
Thats why borders should be open for everyone, as this Dimitri suggested.
Right to work in a particular community is another matter and should be regulated per that community.
lllReplies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
“Swedish women will just have to adapt to laws requiring them to wear burkas.”
Nonsense. If the Swedish women start wearing burkas, how will the Muslim invaders know which women to rape?
Great, you just killed Gabe. Hope you’re proud of yourself.
The girls are alright.
he didn’t find Danish women particularly attractive. He said they were built
like a tank.
I recall Bernie Sanders, back when he was relevant, lionizing Denmark as a shining example of what the U.S. could be. He would call it “Denmawwk” in his adorable Bensonhurst drawl, but one wonders if Bernie admired their tough immigration policies, which used to be a mainstream leftist position. Bernie also knew that Denmark’s single-payer healthcare was incompatible with open borders, until he got a talking to from Norm Eisen and Chuck Schumer. Then suddenly restricting the movement of people wasn’t who we are.
Each is true-- depending on who you are.
…getting all 7000 Danish Jews … out of the country…
mystery solved!
“Might of thought”?
Interestingly, Roosh, when he was still going through his PUA phase, said
he didn’t find Danish women particularly attractive. He said they were built
like a tank.
It’s not single-payer, it’s “two-tier”:
While he’s a straight-shooter on most things, right or wrong, this is one issue on which he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. “Immigration is corrosive!” “Immigration is great!”
Each is true– depending on who you are.
Or maybe the Danes are getting smart and saying f*** this camp of the saints crap. We want and deserve our own country.
Denmark has socialized very little. Even the fire departments are privately-run, unlike here. Well, almost– Danish Falck has a beachhead in Southern California:
The view from Tivoli Gardens is quite capitalistic at night:
https://i0.wp.com/timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Falck-Ambulance.jpg?ssl=1
The view from Tivoli Gardens is quite capitalistic at night:
https://onlines.dk/richshuset/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/richshuset-1963-1340x800.jpgReplies: @Pixo
Falck are horrible over billing grifters.
https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/e/edwardgbulwerlytton/142668/edwardgbulwerlytton1-2x.jpgReplies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @The Germ Theory of Disease
Well, the pen would say that, wouldn’t it?
That’s interesting. You hopped right on that and made a relevant point which (while certainly not au courant) cannot and/or should not be ignored.
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
Exhibit A for the argument that TD/EO are a team effort, from a team whose members clearly run the gamut.
Apparently, it is a great temptation, and at first glance, understandable. All one has to do is focus on fun facts and logic, combined with a kind of fairy tale view of the world, without the socially awkward demand to be loyal to your own people, or to even accept that one is part of a social group.
You just look out for number one.
The Danish jews mostly went to the UK by boat, just a short distance from Denmark.
Of course not. They live in gated communities of one kind or another, whether the gates are literal or not. Where better to entertain luxury beliefs?
Along with all the other little luxuries they enjoy.
Popular Pre Christian Scandinavian torture the Bloody Eagle.
Lay the victim on his stomach.
Feel for the top and bottom of the rib cage.
Make deep cuts through the muscle about 3 inches from the top and bottom of the rib cage.
Slice along the spine top to bottom of the rib cage.
Sever the ribs from the spine.
One Viking grabs one side of the rib cage. Another the other side.
Aaand pull the rib cage apart
It looks like bloody wings.
Many horrible customs. Major slave raiders and traders. Some historians claim 70 percent of the population were slaves. Worse than Rome at its height of slavery. Sacrificed the harems of the warlords when the warlord died. Their Caste system of warlords and priests then craftsmen and merchants and lowest of the low the workers was as rigid as Hindu India.
From the “concentric loyalty” view you’ve spoken favorably of in the past, why were the Swedes sleazy and not admirable in WWII? Wouldn’t “leapfrogging loyalty” from fellow Germanics and being hostile to Germany while favorable towards the Allies violate the concentric loyalty view?
What “responsibility” does Denmark have for these people? What “blame” does Denmark bear? Liberals who don’t think American blacks have any responsibility to uphold the law in a country they actually live in think that Denmark has a responsibility to non-citizens halfway across the world, who have never been to Denmark, who have nothing in common with the Danish people, who probably don’t even like the Danish people, and who only seek to move to Denmark because of its wealth.
And those triumphant “anti-immigrant voices” were so wrong that 30 years later Denmark remains one of the most happy, peaceful, prosperous countries in all the world. Serves Denmark right for listening to those xenophobes.
This is the problem with admitting refugees for any length of time. Once they’ve raised their families in your country “for a few years,” it’s suddenly a crime against humanity for them to re-immigrate back to their home countries. Because moving kids from one country to another is child abuse. Which is why all immigration should be illegal.
The Ivy League takes a lot of heat here, but this at least looks like they’re having fun with “climate change” research funding.
https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2023/04/spike-major-league-home-runs-tied-climate-change?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sciences
https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/e/edwardgbulwerlytton/142668/edwardgbulwerlytton1-2x.jpgReplies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @The Germ Theory of Disease
Maybe so; but is the pen mightier than a dark and stormy night?
Immigrant families in America now receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes. Polls also show they support a large welfare state that benefits them. We are not going to be collecting enough taxes from younger immigrants to pay for all the Social Security and Medicare benefits Boomers are expecting so the argument that we need immigrants for that reason is faulty. We need to follow the Danes in reducing immigration and only allow in immigrants who are likely to stay off welfare and not commit crimes.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
We need to follow the Danes in reducing immigration and only allow in immigrants who are likely to stay off welfare and not commit crimes.
The problem the US has is that almost any immigrant, even an African, is less likely to go on welfare and less likely to commit crime than a native born black citizen.
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Compare native blacks with Puerto Ricans. Puerto Rico is the one locale where open borders between culturally and economically distinct realms was attempted. The results have been disastrous on the mainland and in Puerto Rico as well.
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Note, the native black population has had a large corps 'on welfare' because they were invited to enroll by politicians and social workers. Set up proper screens, and that does not happen. The criminality of that population is far worse than it would otherwise be consequent to lax enforcement.
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(1) limit sectoral subsidies to problem markets: medical care, long-term care, schooling, legal services, and shipping & transportation; do not subsidize food, housing, or utility bills. Limit the value of subsidies to a particular % of discoverable personal income through the use of deductibles and fees adjustable annually.
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(2) Limit long-term cash transfers to the elderly and disabled populations; do not have an ever expanding definition of disability and have the elder's retirement age adjust automatically to maintain a roughly fixed ratio of beneficiaries to workers
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(3) require adverse events and (typically) buy in to access short-term cash transfers;
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(4) where you means-test, do so through sliding-scale fees, not income cut-offs;
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(5) if your income tax architecture is so structured that you have those with a negative liability receiving net rebates, cap the value of any rebate to a % of the household's earned income the previous year (if the signatories of the return are neither elderly nor disabled) or to personal income per capita in their region of residence (if the signatories are elderly or disabled).
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(6) Do not price low-productivity workers out of the market with regulations. Limit benefit mandates to time off, overtime premia, and health-and-safety standards and set the minimum cash take home pay at 10% of mean nominal employee compensation per working hour in a given region and adjust it annually.
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(7) Do not institute local land-use regulations which cause the supply of flop house berths, boarding houses, apartments with shared kitchens &c to dry up. You needn't allow these in every part of a metropolitan settlement, but they have to be available in large swaths of territory.
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(8) Have a pool of legal aid lawyers to represent tenants in proceedings, enforce landlord-tenant law and contract law on both parties to a transaction vigorously and with dispatch, and allow landlords plenary discretion over to whom they rent and over what they charge in their rental agreements for the term of the agreement.
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(9) Have a simplified set of health-and-safety regulations and land-use regulations in slum neighborhoods, but enforce them vigorously and with dispatch; set annual property tax liability in slums at 0% of assessed valuation. Allow municipalities and school districts containing slum property to assess value-added taxes which the county government will be obligated to collect and remit.
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(10) Remand incorrigible youths to day detention centers run by the local sheriff's department and get them out of regular schools; replace municipal police with county and metropolitan police; have ample police staffing in slum neighborhoods and back the blue in their disputes with local loudmouths. Subject all convicted offenders to incarceration or corporal punishment, no exceptions.
That Washington Post article will have zero resonance. Regarding Japan also, there is occasionally some Western loon who will complain about how homogeneous it is, and how it must "enrich" itself. So far, this has had zero impact, and that's how it will always be.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Harry Baldwin
Hungary gets a bad rap because Orban is a corrupt authoritarian who dispenses favors to a clique of insiders, while using anti-woke language mostly as a tool to undermine any economic and political activity he can’t control. Denmark is a far better model for being anti-woke if you believe a market economy and competition are good things.
This essentially is the argument from Bertrand Russell in his famous quote beginning “It is clear that thought is not free…”
I don’t think the NYT emphasizes Orban’s financial corruption. I saw your comments and then started to notice things, like the gorgeous soccer stadium Orban had constructed in his tiny home village. But the NYT treats him instead as a Hitler-like ideologue rather than as a Mayor Daley-like pol.
Orban, whatever he is or is not, is not illiberal (never mind what he says). He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.
How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.
How heroic is he in defending his own country?
I would say it is all overblown. He talks, talks and people agree. I agree, too. But other countries like Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, most of the Baltic states- have achieved even more with regard to prosperity; they didn’t let anyone Muslim or colored in, without inflammatory rhetoric; they have high enough level of national identity & self-consciousness, without too much blather; they are stable & Soros & comp. don’t matter.
My neighbors Slovenes are a good example. They’re solid; they won’t let anyone colored in; and they’re mostly silent. They have gay marriage- but without the right to adopt.
Did the heavens fall?
If yes, I haven’t noticed yet.
Hungary’s policy is w-r-o-n-g, read my lips. They should have, as we have done & Slovenes, too, simply transport all those Muslims & Africans to Germany & Italy & France & Belgium etc.
If you want them, you can have them. We don’t want them, so we’ll just unload them to you, you idiots. We are not defenders of the West because the West, as it is now- sucks.
And here is where Orban, along most of his worshippers, is wrong. A reasonable country can preserve their way of life without importing aliens or paying too much attention to faggotry.
Orban’s (and Hungary’s) trajectory shows that a strongly ideological & polarizing policy is doomed. Better keep lines blurred & have your own way through compromise & deception.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Peter Akuleyev
Ideally you’d want immigrants to raise the level of your society. For example,
here are some questions you could ask:
Are blacks known for being virtuous? No.
Are blacks known for being highly intelligent? No.
Are blacks known for being beautiful? No.
Are blacks known for being nonviolent? No.
Accepting immigrants known for being virtuous and nonviolent
would instantly raise the level of the American society since this is where
the U.S. is lacking compared to the E.U. or Japan. But why would
high quality people want to move to the U.S.?
Orban is a delusional corrupt garbage.
Orban, whatever he is or is not, is not illiberal (never mind what he says). He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.
How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.
How heroic is he in defending his own country?
I would say it is all overblown. He talks, talks and people agree. I agree, too. But other countries like Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, most of the Baltic states- have achieved even more with regard to prosperity; they didn’t let anyone Muslim or colored in, without inflammatory rhetoric; they have high enough level of national identity & self-consciousness, without too much blather; they are stable & Soros & comp. don’t matter.
My neighbors Slovenes are a good example. They’re solid; they won’t let anyone colored in; and they’re mostly silent. They have gay marriage- but without the right to adopt.
Did the heavens fall?
If yes, I haven’t noticed yet.
Hungary’s policy is w-r-o-n-g, read my lips. They should have, as we have done & Slovenes, too, simply transport all those Muslims & Africans to Germany & Italy & France & Belgium etc.
If you want them, you can have them. We don’t want them, so we’ll just unload them to you, you idiots. We are not defenders of the West because the West, as it is now- sucks.
And here is where Orban, along most of his worshippers, is wrong. A reasonable country can preserve their way of life without importing aliens or paying too much attention to faggotry.
Orban’s (and Hungary’s) trajectory shows that a strongly ideological & polarizing policy is doomed. Better keep lines blurred & have your own way through compromise & deception.
Orban is fine, any politician needs resources to maintain his power , hence the " corruption". Orban was himself a student with Soros, knows his opponents org from the inside, and thus succesfull.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Anonymous
It’s almost as if Gabe can’t handle “almost as if…”
I took a dislike to Sweden for the imprisonment of Julian Assange all because of the anger towards him of some old girlfriend.
Not quite in America’s class when it comes to doing bad stuff of course, but Sweden preaches to the world that it is a good country.
I do not agree with that. He worked hard and might have blocked Israeli perfidy or Arab bombast.
The problem the US has is that almost any immigrant, even an African, is less likely to go on welfare and less likely to commit crime than a native born black citizen.Replies: @Art Deco
The problem the US has is that almost any immigrant, even an African, is less likely to go on welfare and less likely to commit crime than a native born black citizen.
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Compare native blacks with Puerto Ricans. Puerto Rico is the one locale where open borders between culturally and economically distinct realms was attempted. The results have been disastrous on the mainland and in Puerto Rico as well.
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Note, the native black population has had a large corps ‘on welfare’ because they were invited to enroll by politicians and social workers. Set up proper screens, and that does not happen. The criminality of that population is far worse than it would otherwise be consequent to lax enforcement.
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(1) limit sectoral subsidies to problem markets: medical care, long-term care, schooling, legal services, and shipping & transportation; do not subsidize food, housing, or utility bills. Limit the value of subsidies to a particular % of discoverable personal income through the use of deductibles and fees adjustable annually.
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(2) Limit long-term cash transfers to the elderly and disabled populations; do not have an ever expanding definition of disability and have the elder’s retirement age adjust automatically to maintain a roughly fixed ratio of beneficiaries to workers
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(3) require adverse events and (typically) buy in to access short-term cash transfers;
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(4) where you means-test, do so through sliding-scale fees, not income cut-offs;
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(5) if your income tax architecture is so structured that you have those with a negative liability receiving net rebates, cap the value of any rebate to a % of the household’s earned income the previous year (if the signatories of the return are neither elderly nor disabled) or to personal income per capita in their region of residence (if the signatories are elderly or disabled).
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(6) Do not price low-productivity workers out of the market with regulations. Limit benefit mandates to time off, overtime premia, and health-and-safety standards and set the minimum cash take home pay at 10% of mean nominal employee compensation per working hour in a given region and adjust it annually.
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(7) Do not institute local land-use regulations which cause the supply of flop house berths, boarding houses, apartments with shared kitchens &c to dry up. You needn’t allow these in every part of a metropolitan settlement, but they have to be available in large swaths of territory.
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(8) Have a pool of legal aid lawyers to represent tenants in proceedings, enforce landlord-tenant law and contract law on both parties to a transaction vigorously and with dispatch, and allow landlords plenary discretion over to whom they rent and over what they charge in their rental agreements for the term of the agreement.
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(9) Have a simplified set of health-and-safety regulations and land-use regulations in slum neighborhoods, but enforce them vigorously and with dispatch; set annual property tax liability in slums at 0% of assessed valuation. Allow municipalities and school districts containing slum property to assess value-added taxes which the county government will be obligated to collect and remit.
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(10) Remand incorrigible youths to day detention centers run by the local sheriff’s department and get them out of regular schools; replace municipal police with county and metropolitan police; have ample police staffing in slum neighborhoods and back the blue in their disputes with local loudmouths. Subject all convicted offenders to incarceration or corporal punishment, no exceptions.
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
What’s that old saw about the child who kills his parents and asks for mercy because he’s an orphan?
Leftists letting in Muslims never made any sense to me. When Muslims took over Iran back in 1979, they destroyed the Iranian left and killed thousands of leftists in the process. A decade later came the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. It was pretty clear then that Muslims in the West were not going to do anything but cause problems for leftists and that therefore the ones already here should be encouraged to leave.
Instead, leftists decided that they must let in as many Muslims as possible. Apparently, this was just to show to everyone that they could accept the Other, but a mindless loving of the Other doesn’t seem any wiser than a mindless hating of the Other. The sensible policy would have been to let in those people (whether non-Muslims or liberal Muslims) who hated the Muslim world and liked the West. Instead, they have let in everyone, and as I have been saying, I suspect we will be living under Islamic law in a few decades.
This is actually the crux of the issue. But it is precisely the minoritarians, the immigrationists, the big-staters, the establishment who do want to have any discussion about actual "responsibility" and "root causes". Those are people who hate the entire idea of responsiblity--and the "far right" notion that people are responsible for the quality of their lives, their communities, their nations.
And the thing is, this woman--WaPo Brussels bureau chief, no doubt "educated" with a couple degrees--is literally too stupid, too ignorant to understand any of this.Replies: @kaganovitch
Methinks there might be a ‘not’ missing there.
here are some questions you could ask:
Are blacks known for being virtuous? No.
Are blacks known for being highly intelligent? No.
Are blacks known for being beautiful? No.
Are blacks known for being nonviolent? No.
Accepting immigrants known for being virtuous and nonviolent
would instantly raise the level of the American society since this is where
the U.S. is lacking compared to the E.U. or Japan. But why would
high quality people want to move to the U.S.?Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
Well, depends on who the “you” are. If you happen to be working class white moron, accepting smarter Lithuanians and Ukrainitans will not do you much good.
So, white US folks like Sailer are as hostile to cultured, nonviolent Russians like the Dimitri, or those busiiness acumen folks buying real estate in Miami or Californua, as they are hostile to the Haitian caravans.
Great comment. This is an important insight about our current situation: “Non-whites only have legitimate collective interests and pride and no responsibility but native whites have no legitimate collective interests or pride only collective responsibilities.”
Orban, whatever he is or is not, is not illiberal (never mind what he says). He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.
How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.
How heroic is he in defending his own country?
I would say it is all overblown. He talks, talks and people agree. I agree, too. But other countries like Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, most of the Baltic states- have achieved even more with regard to prosperity; they didn’t let anyone Muslim or colored in, without inflammatory rhetoric; they have high enough level of national identity & self-consciousness, without too much blather; they are stable & Soros & comp. don’t matter.
My neighbors Slovenes are a good example. They’re solid; they won’t let anyone colored in; and they’re mostly silent. They have gay marriage- but without the right to adopt.
Did the heavens fall?
If yes, I haven’t noticed yet.
Hungary’s policy is w-r-o-n-g, read my lips. They should have, as we have done & Slovenes, too, simply transport all those Muslims & Africans to Germany & Italy & France & Belgium etc.
If you want them, you can have them. We don’t want them, so we’ll just unload them to you, you idiots. We are not defenders of the West because the West, as it is now- sucks.
And here is where Orban, along most of his worshippers, is wrong. A reasonable country can preserve their way of life without importing aliens or paying too much attention to faggotry.
Orban’s (and Hungary’s) trajectory shows that a strongly ideological & polarizing policy is doomed. Better keep lines blurred & have your own way through compromise & deception.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Peter Akuleyev
Hungary is better than Poland, more cultured. And not as prone to being partitioned, not as prone to imperialist adventures. You as a Pole are simply envious.
Orban is fine, any politician needs resources to maintain his power , hence the ” corruption”. Orban was himself a student with Soros, knows his opponents org from the inside, and thus succesfull.
Oh, and there are some really, really beautiful women in Hungary, even if they have names like Boglarka.
That Washington Post article will have zero resonance. Regarding Japan also, there is occasionally some Western loon who will complain about how homogeneous it is, and how it must "enrich" itself. So far, this has had zero impact, and that's how it will always be.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Harry Baldwin
Few will notice these inconsistencies in woke discourse.
Reminds me of a comment I once saw at this site: “Feminists don’t want children, so their societies have to import people from anti-feminist societies to keep up the population.”
There were no German concentration camps, they were labor camps. looks like the author has Israel’s interests in mind even before they were a country.
To sum up the article, basically Denmark is evil for not adopting an immigration policy that will make the Danes a minority in their own country in two generations or less.
The comment thread on the article is overwhelmingly supportive of Denmark. But here’s one of my favorite comments on that thread, which is not supportive:
Muslim countries have no obligation to accept Muslim refugees from a country that is far closer to them than to Denmark.
Denmark is obligated to admit them. Refugees have no obligations to their would-be receiving countries.
Refugees can go to whatever (white, Western (except for Israel)) country they want and that country has to admit them.
Refugees don’t have to assimilate. Refugees don’t have to work. Refugees don’t have to adopt the predominant religion.
Refugees don’t have to give their children native names. Refugees don’t have to allow the natives to marry their daughters.
If conditions in their home country improves, refugees have no obligation to return, and have the right to remain in the country they fled to as welfare charges.
And large numbers of people (which in this country we call “Democrats”) agree with this crap.
The Washington Post is an American paper. It’s based in a city that was viciously attacked on 9/11. It was nearly hit twice, but for the heroes of United 93. It’s based in a country that spent a large part of 2020 suffering nationwide race riots that were incited by leaders of one of the country’s largest political parties; race riots that were caused by a large population that has failed to assimilate into US society after living here for 300+ years. But it proceeds to lecture Denmark, one of the happiest, most peaceful countries on earth, how it should run its affairs.
Heh heh. You just accidentally referred to Democrats as "people".
Yes, the Swedes became wealthy through trade and didn’t get their citizens killed or injured in a war that didn’t concern them….It also created the predatory American empire, the dangerous Soviet Empire, and the Iron Curtain….
“poor performance” Indeed…
https://tubitv.com/movies/441467/the-king-s-choice
“And large numbers of people (which in this country we call “Democrats”) agree with this crap.”
Heh heh. You just accidentally referred to Democrats as “people”.
Who believes a word in the Washington Post???
Whatever the truth about black and Muslim immigration in Denmark, it won’t be found in the Washington Post.
There's a meta-Overton Window thing going on here. They've been pushing the window on what you even call the positions on issues. No matter what the other ideology, being against open borders/population replacement is not far-right in the freedom v Socialism sense, but on the far end of the spectrum from far-stupid ---- far-from-stupid.
The government in Denmark is far-from-stupid. America's is stupid*. One may want to see it more as far-evil ---- far-good, for the people.
Speaking of evil vs stupidity, I know "Merkel's Boner" comes off the tongue pretty well, but we all know it wasn't just a mistake. Having a female Chancellor who has this big amount of compassion (for the poor dead kid on the beach) in the short-term, but NO compassion for the people of Germany of the future was the problem. Here in the US we have plain evil men and women at the top. They know very well what they are doing (as did Merkel).Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Alden
I’m absolutely convinced that Merkel was a Soviet agent. Sent to destroy Germany.
Well thanks Alden, that definitely clears that up for me. Any other insights ?
Instead, leftists decided that they must let in as many Muslims as possible. Apparently, this was just to show to everyone that they could accept the Other, but a mindless loving of the Other doesn't seem any wiser than a mindless hating of the Other. The sensible policy would have been to let in those people (whether non-Muslims or liberal Muslims) who hated the Muslim world and liked the West. Instead, they have let in everyone, and as I have been saying, I suspect we will be living under Islamic law in a few decades.Replies: @Art Deco
The Muslims are a tool for removing Christianity from public life. Imagine a teachers union official with a grating voice intoning “in our increasingly DIverse society…”.
I spoke briefly in a bar circa 2011 to a Norwegian professional over here in the states and was surprised to learn how close to the surface the animosity between Norway and Sweden still is (I think I must have asked out of curiosity what relations are like between the Scandinavians or something). The Swedes are resented for acting like they’re better than the Norwegians, treating them like they’re a handful of rustic bumpkins who got lucky with oil. But Sweden in truth is a much more populous country with a much more developed economy with a long distinguished history as an independent power, so maybe they can’t help it. An American would have thought there was hardly an difference at all between them other than Sweden being famously neutral in recent decades.
I think this joke was in a P.J O'Rourke book about his travels.
It is possible that there’s a correlation between being pro-immigrant, and being a country that was rarely successfully invaded. Whereas countries that have been successfully invaded more often, may very well be more anti-immigrant.
Everyone has a different view on this. Three comments:
1) Dansk Folkeparti is not what Americans would call a far-right political party. Like other so-called rightest parties in Europe it aims to preserve the welfare state, with the understanding that the greatest danger to the welfare state is the influx of foreign parasites that intend to free ride on it. DF’s agenda: keep out the parasites, preserve the welfare state. Economically, a leftist agenda.
2) Malmo is the place in Sweden with the most severe immigrant yuff problems. Malmo is just over the bridge from Copenhagen, and full of foreigners who want to live in Denmark (because they or their family members work there) but cannot get permission. In Malmo, the Kurds gang up against the Palestinians, who gang up against the Pakis, who gang up against the Somalis, who gang up against ethnic Swedes, in a daisy chain of tribal warfare.
3) I agree that Jylland is different, though I’m skeptical that it has been as influential as Copenhagen. I also agree that there is the problem of not offending people who have been accepted. This is a problem everywhere, including America — the toothpaste is out of the tube, as John Derbyshire has said — you have to learn to live with those who already have an established base in your country.
I’m absolutely convinced that Merkel was a Soviet agent. Sent to destroy Germany.
Well thanks Alden, that definitely clears that up for me. Any other insights ?
this is not new.
https://nordics.info/show/artikel/danish-immigration-policy-1970-1992-1
“But the NYT treats him instead as a Hitler-like ideologue rather than as a Mayor Daley-like pol.”
Quite a few people correctly view Orban as Hitler like when it comes to consolidating political power. Do you even pay attention? (Of course, that’s what Daley, Sr. did with his Chicago political machine)
American conservatives hosted CPAC in Hungary—of all places—a country that is an autocracy. His administration rewrote major parts of its constitution to favor his political party and has direct control of major media outlets. He enables ethnic Hungarians who live outside the nation to obtain dual citizenship to vote in Hungarian elections by mail. I thought that’s a big no-no. Because major fraud.
Now, how did he get this notion that George Soros is this international puppet master who controls all things, who sends surges of migrants across borders to do his personal bidding? Clearly, that’s something you believe in, right?
Well, one of Orban’s top political consultants is Arthur Finkelstein—he has worked with Roger Stone, Ronald Reagan, and Benjamin Netanyahu and played a key role in helping to elect Strom Thurmond and George Pataki. Nothing to NOTICE here…
Orban is fine, any politician needs resources to maintain his power , hence the " corruption". Orban was himself a student with Soros, knows his opponents org from the inside, and thus succesfull.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Anonymous
Budapest is certainly a nicer place than Warsaw. How much that has to do with Warsaw being flattened in WW2 I don’t know.
Oh, and there are some really, really beautiful women in Hungary, even if they have names like Boglarka.
“The Swedes are resented for acting like they’re better than the Norwegians, treating them like they’re a handful of rustic bumpkins who got lucky with oil.”
I think this joke was in a P.J O’Rourke book about his travels.
Yes, Beevor says that Wallenberg “was arrested by SMERSh, and executed in July 1947.”
His source? Sergo Beria’s book “Beria, My Father: Inside Stalin’s Kremlin.” That’s hardly the last
word on this topic, which has been debated for decades. First, the Soviets said that he died in 1945; then he died in 1947, but they can’t agree on whether they shot him, tortured him to death, or poisoned him. Maybe all three.
In any event, the Swedish government’s decades-long behavior regarding Wallenberg’s fate was shameful.
Orban, whatever he is or is not, is not illiberal (never mind what he says). He has two weaknesses: overblown & completely self-defeating Hungarian nationalism (see Trianon tragedy and other Hungarian myths) & his policy of corruption.
How corrupt is Orban? I would say as much as any other politician. Not something special.
How heroic is he in defending his own country?
I would say it is all overblown. He talks, talks and people agree. I agree, too. But other countries like Slovenia, Czechia, Slovakia, most of the Baltic states- have achieved even more with regard to prosperity; they didn’t let anyone Muslim or colored in, without inflammatory rhetoric; they have high enough level of national identity & self-consciousness, without too much blather; they are stable & Soros & comp. don’t matter.
My neighbors Slovenes are a good example. They’re solid; they won’t let anyone colored in; and they’re mostly silent. They have gay marriage- but without the right to adopt.
Did the heavens fall?
If yes, I haven’t noticed yet.
Hungary’s policy is w-r-o-n-g, read my lips. They should have, as we have done & Slovenes, too, simply transport all those Muslims & Africans to Germany & Italy & France & Belgium etc.
If you want them, you can have them. We don’t want them, so we’ll just unload them to you, you idiots. We are not defenders of the West because the West, as it is now- sucks.
And here is where Orban, along most of his worshippers, is wrong. A reasonable country can preserve their way of life without importing aliens or paying too much attention to faggotry.
Orban’s (and Hungary’s) trajectory shows that a strongly ideological & polarizing policy is doomed. Better keep lines blurred & have your own way through compromise & deception.Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @Peter Akuleyev
I agree. Hungary is actually doing far worse than its neighbors both economically and, funnily enough, in terms of keeping foreign influence at a minimum. Orban depends almost entire on German and Russian subsidies to survive – auto parts production and natural gas. And now he is sucking up to the Chinese. Contrast that with what the Czechs have done- innovative native companies, native entrepreneurs creating wealth and value and no black immigrants. But the Czechs just do their thing without making a lot of noise and grandstanding, and no one bothers them.
Roumania: 50.8%
Poland: 47.2%
Hungary: 37.2%
Serbia: 36.6%
Bulgaria: 34.3%
Croatia: 28.7%
Slovakia: 24.7%
Czech Republic: 21.7%
Slovenia: 21.0%
Austria: 6.3%
Orban is fine, any politician needs resources to maintain his power , hence the " corruption". Orban was himself a student with Soros, knows his opponents org from the inside, and thus succesfull.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Anonymous
Hungary has a small class of Budapest elites that like to preen about how cultured they are and live in a permanent state of 1913. Meanwhile Poles actually build businesses. The Polish countryside is also much much nicer than the Hungarian countryside- which, let’s be honest, is mostly overrun by Gypsies.
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GDP per capita (PPP) in real terms in Poland exceeds that in Hungary by 4%
The problem is that Denmark is doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Denmark is the anti-Sweden. Everything the Swedes do, the Danes to the opposite. This goes back a long way. So of course, if Sweden is pro-immigration then Denmark will be anti-immigration.
The danger here is that if a nationalist government takes power in Sweden and begins expelling foreigners, Denmark will immediately reverse policy and begin welcoming them in. Spiting Sweden trumps everything.
Orban is fine, any politician needs resources to maintain his power , hence the " corruption". Orban was himself a student with Soros, knows his opponents org from the inside, and thus succesfull.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Peter Akuleyev, @Anonymous
BK is a Croat not a Pole, i.e. a once (and future) subject of the glorious Magyar master race.
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
Put women back into the household to raise and take care of their kids. If they do not like it, put them in a re education camp. Women are not effective in jobs such as police , fire, construction …. This “you’ve come a long way baby” nonsense started in America by bernays, the father of modern advertising has destroyed what little value American women have ever had. Thus no babies. women are all out whoring!
Net bilateral aid flows to Hungary have in the years since 2004 been nil. Hungary’s gross receipts from EU investment funds in 2021 amounted to $4 bn or 2.2% of their gross national income. Exports to Germany and Russia in 2021 accounted for about 20% of Hungary’s gross national income. Improvement in GDP per capita (PPP) in constant dollars between 2010 and 2021 has been as follows:
Roumania: 50.8%
Poland: 47.2%
Hungary: 37.2%
Serbia: 36.6%
Bulgaria: 34.3%
Croatia: 28.7%
Slovakia: 24.7%
Czech Republic: 21.7%
Slovenia: 21.0%
Austria: 6.3%
Meanwhile Poles actually build businesses.
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GDP per capita (PPP) in real terms in Poland exceeds that in Hungary by 4%
The same can be said -- to a lesser degree -- about the United States. The wealthy white residents of Europe and North America are simply not reproducing enough to maintain their populations at levels where sufficient numbers of working-age adults exist to support children and the elderly. The older the white population gets, the fewer children they will have. Immigration has become the only population growth factor these countries can depend on to fuel their economies and support their governments. It's long past time for white xenophobes to wake up and smell the coffee.Replies: @Anonymous, @Forget my email, @Renard, @kaganovitch, @daniel appleton I am not afraid to hide my name!, @Joe Paluka
Replacing the native Danes with non-whites will simply lead to oblivion for the nation of Denmark. Northwest Europeans are the only ones capable of creating an orderly, free society and maintain it for hundreds of years, but this can only be done by people of the same genetic order. It’s more than just replacing warm bodies with other warm bodies as the internationalists believe. If this were true, the once great American cities like Detroit, Chicago, and New York would’ve remained great, regardless of the types of people who live there. We know what the truth is without repeating it here.
Sounds like more nonsensical “facts” gleaned from AI generated clickbait.
The only thing keeping Europeans from sending the foreigners packing is their own misguided mindless altruism.
Denmark seems like one of the rare countries that might actually adopt such a sane policy.