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From the Miami Herald:

After Senate Republicans pass anti-riot bill, Democrats call on GOP donors to protest

BY ANA CEBALLOS AND MARY ELLEN KLAS HERALD/TIMES TALLAHASSEE BUREAU
APRIL 15, 2021 08:47 PM, UPDATED 11 HOURS 48 MINUTES AGO

The Florida House passed the anti-rioting bill HB 1, a broad anti-rioting legislation that aims to crack down on violent protests. BY DANIEL A. VARELA

In what marked one of the most emotional moments of Florida’s 2021 legislative session, Senate Democrats on Thursday called on major Republican political donors to pressure Gov. Ron DeSantis to stop “anti-mob” legislation they deem racist, unconstitutional and partisan.

“Don’t sit on the sidelines, do something. Take a position,” Sen. Perry Thurston, D-Fort Lauderdale, said in a call to grocery store chains, theme parks and utility companies, many of whom are big contributors to Florida Republicans. Many of them also contribute to Democrats.

The call to action came after nearly three hours of emotional and heated debate on the Senate floor that culminated with the Republican-led chamber passing the bill on a 23-17 vote. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Jeff Brandes of St. Petersburg was the only Republican to vote against it.

After the vote, several members of the Senate Democratic caucus held a press conference wearing black T-shirts over their dress shirts and ties and under their suit coats. Senate Democratic Leader Gary Farmer of Lighthouse Point said it was meant to signify their “mourning of the death of the First Amendment.” …

Among other things, the bill would allow people to sue local governments for damages that arise from a riot or unlawful assembly. It would also create new crimes including “mob intimidation” and “inciting a riot,” and any person who tears down a memorial dedicated to a historical person or event would face a second-degree felony that could be punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

… DeSantis pitched the idea at a press conference in Polk County in the heat of the 2020 election as he worked to deliver Florida to former President Donald Trump. He says it will combat “rioting and looting.”

“Every single person running for office in the state of Florida this year, whether you’re running for the House, whether you’re running for the Senate, you have an obligation to let the voters know where you stand on this bill,” DeSantis said at the time. “Are you going to stand with law and order and safe communities, or are you going to stand with the mob?” …

Senate Democrats are now trying to fight the proposal in the same way, by calling on “the business community,” including some of DeSantis’ donors, to take a stand on his proposal.

“If he doesn’t heed to the cries of the business community … well, then the next step is taking it to the great equalizer, the court system,” Farmer said. “Because this bill is clearly and blatantly unconstitutional, that it will eventually be struck down — if not by this Supreme Court, by the United States Supreme Court.”

… The Black Caucus said it is asking businesses to honor their promise made last summer, when corporations spoke out in support of Black Lives Matter after Floyd’s death.

“Now, when Black and Brown communities are being threatened with laws that would disproportionately affect them, the silence from those businesses is a tacit endorsement of the disenfranchisement of those communities,” the legislators warned.

Throughout the lawmaking process, hundreds of advocates and Democrats in the Florida Legislature have said the bill will have a “chilling effect” on peaceful protests and disproportionately impact minorities, while Republicans have said the bill is about “law and order.”

Farmer said that because of the pandemic protocols, the number of people who came to Tallahassee to protest the bill was muted, leaving a false sense of security for the Republican leaders who were behind it.

“This building is essentially closed to the public,’‘ Farmer said. “If this had been last year, the committee rooms and legislative rotunda “would have been full of people protesting and calling out the hypocrisy.”

… Sen. Audrey Gibson, D-Jacksonville, said the bill was “vindictive” and crafted in response to police brutality protests. Sen. Tina Polsky, D-Boca Raton, said the bill was about “silencing dissent.” Sen. Janet Cruz, D-Tampa, said it was a “partisan attempt to restrict the ability to protest.”

“You don’t want us on the streets. You don’t want us to kneel in games. You don’t want us to shut down the streets,” Jones said. “Our response to injustice is to protest, but your response is to criminalize it when the recourse for us is to turn to the streets to make our voices heard in this unjust system.”

Republicans, on the other hand, argue the bill is about “law and order.”

“Unfortunately, what we didn’t hear a lot about today is the victims of the violence, the businesses, the jobs and the livelihoods that were lost because of the riots,” said Sen. Danny Burgess, the Republican sponsor of the bill. “That’s what the bill is about. It’s not about peaceful protest. It’s about law and order.”

… “Hopefully it does what we hope it does and that is to stop the violence, the killings, the unintended deaths that happened from protests. The fires, all of that,” Stargel said. “And if it doesn’t, we’ll be back here year after year working on that.”

The racial justice protests in Florida since Floyd’s death have been mostly peaceful …

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  1. KenH says:

    To the radical Democrats riots and violence committed by blacks and leftists is speech while right of center and pro-white speech is incitement to violence and not protected.

    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AndrewR
  2. There is a pattern when you have political demonstrations that a criminal element will take advantage of law enforcement being distracted to engage in looting and other crimes.

    You often see the same thing in post-hurricane disorder, for example the last time around in the Virgin islands when there was looting.

    Some people steal from supermarkets and department stores, and you could possibly give them the benefit of the doubt if they just take things that they need to survive like bottled water or diapers and camping equipment, and they pay the bill later, but also criminal elements exploit the situation while law enforcement is disabled or engaged elsewhere, and steal things like TVs and designer sneakers just for the hell of it.

    However when I was in Haiti just a few days just after the huge earthquake of 2010, I saw almost no signs of looting whatsoever, although rescuers did remove wallets from bodies, throw ID cards in a pile, and help themselves to cash, before stacking the bodies in a dump truck.

    I would have thought that these kind of things are already covered by existing laws in Florida, but if there is no law against looting supermarkets and stores, there certainly ought to be one.

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest, but severely penalize people who take part in opportunistic looting.

  3. Muggles says:

    “Now, when Black and Brown communities are being threatened with laws that would disproportionately affect them, the silence from those businesses is a tacit endorsement of the disenfranchisement of those communities,” the legislators warned.

    So sayeth the FL Black Caucus legislators.

    So have they issued any statements condemning the unequal treatment of mainly white Capitol protesters on Jan. 6, one of whom was murdered by a federal cop who faces no charges?

    Do whites get to complain about laws that supposedly “disproportionately” affect whites? Like more anti firearms legislation? Special legal quotas for benefits that whites can’t receive?

    On the one hand, Democrats call a peaceful protest a “riot” or “insurrection” but in this case, complain about laws that might hold actual looters/rioters to some kind of account.

    That being said, hypocrisy is a long failed tactic against the Woke left. They have zero concern about being two faced. Also, lastly, I’m not very certain about these bills myself.

    There seem to be plenty of laws to stop/punish actual rioters. They just aren’t enforced unless against non Woke targets, so seldom used unless you upset Nancy Pelosi & Co.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  4. black sea says:

    Wow, you really can’t beat Walmart’s prices.

  5. @black sea

    Well, with a sledgehammer, you can…

  6. “You don’t want us on the streets. You don’t want us to kneel in games. You don’t want us to shut down the streets,” Jones said. “Our response to injustice is to protest, but your response is to criminalize it when the recourse for us is to turn to the streets to make our voices heard in this unjust system.”

    Democracy 101: attend town meeting. Make rational arguments in speeches and in writing to your fellow citizens. Vote. Abide by the majority decision and obey the law. Continue to argue rationally against laws you disagree with.
    Rights you need to accomplish this: Right to free speech. Right of association and peaceful assembly. Right to vote in a clean election.

    Anarcho-Tyranny 101: Protest. Shut down the streets. Heckle and beat up people you disagree with. Ban people you disagree with. Scream really loud.

    Democrats hate rational debate and therefore hate Democracy.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Corvinus
  7. Dear Sir; we know your novel is supposed to be a satire, but no one would ever say the things you have Black politicians say. So we reject your book.
    And please don’t tell us they’re real quotes; we’ve heard that one before.

  8. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    Protected ? Its actively censored virtually everywhere.

    Past time to get out of the cities which blows up @Isteve’s gentrification theories.

  9. Polistra says:

    “Now, when Black and Brown communities are being threatened with laws that would disproportionately affect them, the silence from those businesses is a tacit endorsement of the disenfranchisement of those communities,” the legislators warned.

    As Muggles says above, there are rules and there are rules. AKA who/whom.

    Laws against murder, forcible rape, street robbery, burglary, and on and on? Every single one of them ‘disproportionately’ affects POCs. So we should or should not summarily jettison them?

    And what constitutes a riot? All seems to depend on who’s taking part. It certainly isn’t defined by whether the people are armed, or how much damage they inflict. We’ve seen that over and over.

  10. Anglo-Saxon Caucus.

  11. TGGP says: • Website

    Isn’t “inciting a riot” already a crime?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Robert Dolan
  12. El Dato says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest, but severely penalize people who take part in opportunistic looting.

    Allow citizens to own FN P90 and use them?

  13. El Dato says:
    @TGGP

    CNN would be dragged off.

    • Replies: @anon
  14. People are leaving New York and California and moving to Florida. Property values are up and demand is high.

    In other news, unless you can elicit this: “du pratar jättebra svenska”, you ain’t moving to Sweden.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2021/04/migrants-will-be-required-to-speak-swedish-to-become-citizens-under-new-laws/

    If it’s good for Sweden, it’s good for the US. (English, not ebonics)

  15. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is a pattern when you have political demonstrations that a criminal element will take advantage of law enforcement being distracted to engage in looting and other crimes.

    Really? Were dumpsters set on fire during the anti-lockdown protests last spring? Do liquor stores and Foot Lockers get cleaned out during anti-abortion protests? Do Dollar Trees get ransacked during Earth Day rallies?

    There is a pattern that a certain kind of political demonstration attracts a criminal element.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @photondancer
  16. There’s also this.

    And this.

    The man sure had friends in high places.

    • Replies: @Stan
  17. Mr. Anon says:

    This would appear to be grandstanding on the part of the Florida legislature. There are already laws on the books against rioting. I would be opposed to new ones, certainly to the creation of new classes of crimes. The problem isn’t that aren’t laws against such things, it’s that they are selectively enforced. Liberal city governments cave in to rioters when they are the same political side.

    The notion of allowing businesses to sue their municipal governments for damages is an interesting one, although one can imagine even that being abused. Some enterprising business owners might be inclined to stoke up a riot on the sly in order to cash out.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Corvinus
  18. Black BLM and Antifa peaceful protests are legally allowed but not legitimate.
    They are all trumped up stories about felons fighting or attacking police, while Somali Quota police Noor’s killing of a middle age white female Yoga teacher went down the memory hole
    Of course, this biased reporting is an explicitly written feature of media and police regulations, as sincerity dot amply documents.

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest, but severely penalize people who take part in opportunistic looting.

    Blacks are privileged with quotas everywhere, get schools and welfare paid with mostly white tax dollars, destroy one neighborhood after another and disproportionally victimize whites with robbery, rape, and murder. Yes they also victimize other Blacks, more so because if de-policing, caused by Leftists and BLM

  19. “This building is essentially closed to the public,’‘ Farmer said. “If this had been last year, the committee rooms and legislative rotunda “would have been full of people protesting and calling out the hypocrisy.”

    Oh the irony….

    • Replies: @vhrm
  20. @TGGP

    Inciting a riot is okay for blacks but not for whites.

    Blacks are allowed to run wild, burn, loot, and murder…..because of slavery.

    And if blacks are in the mood to kill whites, it’s okay because of……slavery.

    Whites are not allowed to defend themselves from violent blacks because of…..slavery.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  21. ia says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest, but severely penalize people who take part in opportunistic looting.

    There are laws, they just aren’t enforced.

  22. @Jonathan Mason

    However when I was in Haiti just a few days just after the huge earthquake of 2010, I saw almost no signs of looting whatsoever

    Were you in a yacht a few miles off the coast?

    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  23. vhrm says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, overall i don’t think we need more laws and i’d like people here to take a broad perspective and recall that, just like the existing laws they’ll be enforced against Proud Boys, Charlottesville organizers, and other deplorables while BLM continues to skate.

    Please don’t cheer for people hanging the government MORE bats to beat “us” with.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  24. @Jonathan Mason

    “However when I was in Haiti just a few days just after the huge earthquake of 2010, I saw almost no signs of looting whatsoever … ”

    That’s because the Clinton Criminal Foundation didn’t get to Haiti until a few days later … and that’s when the REAL looting took place … 

  25. vhrm says:
    @Pop Warner

    Oh the irony….

    Seriously! Wasn’t stuff like that unheard of and beyond the pale sedition and insurrection just a few short months ago ?!

    also from the OP:

    “You don’t want us on the streets. You don’t want us to kneel in games. You don’t want us to shut down the streets,” Jones said. “Our response to injustice is to protest, but your response is to criminalize it when the recourse for us is to turn to the streets to make our voices heard in this unjust system.”

    That first sentence is gold. Yes, exactly. “We” don’t want “them” to shut down the streets (or riot or beat people up or anything else). Has that ever been unclear? Does she think that pointing out that their objection to the bill is that they won’t be able to block streets will somehow LESSEN support for the bill ?

  26. @vhrm

    The liability for local governments could be very effective, I’ve been suggesting it since the 99.9999999% peaceful protests began.

  27. “Now, when Black and Brown communities are being threatened with laws that would disproportionately affect them, …

    Did that Florida black caucus just say that out loud? Ooops. Why would anti-rioting laws affect black and brown communities disproportionately? Someone help me out here, maybe one of you black caucus members … No, I mean, I have no idea – you tell me.

  28. I’m shocked. There is more than $100,000 worth of merchandise in a Tampa Walmart?

  29. @Jonathan Mason

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest

    If you read Steve’s post, it tells how Florida just did that. 🙂

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  30. @John Johnson

    Were you in a yacht a few miles off the coast?

    No, I was in Port au Prince, Petionville, Croix-des-Bouquets, and San Marc. Were you there? Did you see looting?

    I remember being in a massive warehouse in Port au Prince that was stacked to the roof with sacks of American rice, and yet there wasn’t even any special security there and anyone could walk or drive in. (Rice is a staple food in Haiti.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  31. @Reg Cæsar

    They sell iPhones, Samsung Galaxies, tablets, and laptops,and things like airguns, Kitchen Aide mixers, tires for vehicles, and lots of power tools so it all adds up.

    And if the looters were mixing paint for themselves in custom colors…

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    DO YOU KNOW THEM? The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office is asking for help identifying approximately 200 looters who broke into a Tampa Walmart and stole more than $100,000 worth of merchandise.

    They do look kind of familiar to me, based on me having visited Tampa on a number of occasions when I have seen quite a few people who strongly resembled those in the video.

    The police might want to start by matching images against mugshots of known drug offenders and thieves living within five miles of that Tampa Walmart.

    If it would be helpful, I could identify for police some of the East Fletcher Avenue neighborhoods between I-75 and I-275 most likely to harbor offenders. They could then conduct door-to-door inquiries and search dumpsters for Walmart TV cartons, etc.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  34. @Jonathan Mason

    No, I was in Port au Prince, Petionville, Croix-des-Bouquets, and San Marc.

    Does this mean you can’t donate blood or sell plasma?

  35. @rebel yell

    “You don’t want us on the streets. You don’t want us to kneel in games. You don’t want us to shut down the streets,” Jones said. “Our response to injustice is to protest, but your response is to criminalize it when the recourse for us is to turn to the streets to make our voices heard in this unjust system.”

    Anarcho-Tyranny 101: Protest. Shut down the streets. Heckle and beat up people you disagree with. Ban people you disagree with. Scream really loud.

    Boy you nailed it rebel yell. That’s the quote that popped for me too. The quote that sums it all up.

    I’ve got no problem with protests. Protest all you damn well want.

    But that’s not what BLM wants. What leftists always want: Not the right to speak, but the demand that you listen. The right to harass you and hold you captive to their protest…. which is just so damn important that you must be made to stop going about you business and listen.

    The shutting down the highway thing–which we saw all summer–is a tell. There’s no “speech” there. No rational argument. It’s simply the right to harass normies because … we’re really mad!

    It really chaps my hide. It’s essentially kidnapping. Holding you hostage to their protest. And when drivers have attempted to drive around and continue on their way–they are attacked, cars vandalized, people assaulted, sometimes pulled from their cars and beaten. They are fortunate–and i guess i’m fortunate–because i would not take kindly to being held hostage in this manner.

    And seriously, do conservatives get to do this? I’m pretty sure, anti-immigration folks like me could drum up enough support to shut down a piece of every interstate in the nation. Send a message! (And about something real, the immigration driven destruction of America; not some laughable statistically disprovable nonsense like this lie that the cops are institutionally racistly killing innocent blacks.) Somehow that wouldn’t be protest, but “terrorism” or “a coup”, “subversion of the democratic process”.

    Nope, the left, the minoritarians do not want “free speech”, they want the right to harass and intimidate and terrorize until they get their way. They want “you can’t leave”. As we saw in the Soviet Union. You must stay and make yourself available for looting.

    Again–we have not even incompatible ideologies, but incompatible versions of reality.

    But we are not the ones imposing ours on them. Separate nations.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  36. Clyde says:

    There’s a riot in cell block number Nine—

  37. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Farmer said that because of the pandemic protocols, the number of people who came to Tallahassee to protest the bill was muted, leaving a false sense of security for the Republican leaders who were behind it.

    “This building is essentially closed to the public,’‘ Farmer said. “If this had been last year, the committee rooms and legislative rotunda “would have been full of people protesting and calling out the hypocrisy.”

    So mostly peaceful Democrats and Antifa can crowd into the legislative building, but Republicans and Trump supporters are executing a coup if they get anywhere near the legislative building.

  38. Anonymous[735] • Disclaimer says:

    Suing the municipalities won’t work. The cities will just say they tried their best- case dismissed.

    People who suffer riot damage need the right to sue the broadcast media for selectively jinning it up, the social media for organizing it, and most importantly the ngos like BLM or the Open Society Foundation or AFL-CIO or the Tides Foundation or whoever-the-f is funding this shit. If your NGO or its affiliates put the word out on Twitter or Facebook to be at the protest-turned-riot, that NGO along with Twitter and Facebook should be sued. Any email lists need to be traced to their origin and they need the pants sued off of them.

    I mean, none of this will work because Republicans are collaborators in the Regime change which aims to do away with all due process. But if Republicans ever decided to stop being traitors (won’t happen), a good rule is always go after the corporations, universities, and the ngos. They are the enemy.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  39. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    But we are not the ones imposing ours on them. Separate nations.

    That’s really funny. Sad but funny. What on earth makes you think that these people are going to give you a separate nation?

    And even a separate nation wouldn’t do you any good. In case you hadn’t noticed the US Government’s policy is to impose Wokeism and Social Justice on the entire planet. Separate nations that dare to defy the US have their governments overthrown. Their children starve to death as a result of US sanctions. If that doesn’t do the trick the US bombs and/or invades them.

    This separate nations thing is a desperately sad cope. It’s a retreat into a fantasy world.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  40. TyRade says:

    Odds on De Santis for President 2024 just narrowed? ‘Are you with us or with the mob’ – has a ring to it. He could even show he’s sensitive to the constitutional right to loot by issuing Footlocker stamps to the retail-needy?

  41. AndrewR says:
    @KenH

    Or to sum it up: white people have no right to exist under this regime.

  42. AndrewR says:
    @Muggles

    Pointing out hypocrisy can be useful in gaining allies. But certainly no leftist has ever changed their behavior for the better after having their hypocrisy pointed out. They simply rationalize it by redefining words or perception. We are all familiar with the leftist refrain of “you can’t be racist towards whites because racism = prejudice + power and whites have all the power”

    Of course whites have absolutely no power except the power to enforce Jewish and black supremacy

  43. That wasn’t a riot: That was a black to school sale.

  44. @Anonymous

    It might be more effective for the state of Florida to underwrite riot insurance so that retailers like Walmart can be compensated.

    Also for store cameras systems to be developed that are better at identifying looters, for example in the case of a break-in or store invasion the cameras woould switch to high definition mode and broadcast to an exterior location that would save the recordings off-site so that they could not be erased.

    Of course looters who are identified could and should still be prosecuted individually for criminal offenses and banned from using the looted businesses in the future.

  45. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “America was an Anglo-Saxon creation”.

    Actually, America was founded by Europeans–the British, the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Swedes. But our Founding Fathers stated in the Preamble, the U.S. was founded for the benefit “of ourselves and our posterity”, which refers to future generations deciding who is part of that future. That even includes the filthy hordes from Eastern and Southern Europe.

  46. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “This would appear to be grandstanding on the part of the Florida legislature. There are already laws on the books against rioting. I would be opposed to new ones, certainly to the creation of new classes of crimes.”

    Wow, a extremely rare moment of NOTICING on your part.

    “Liberal city governments cave in to rioters when they are the same political side”.

    Maybe. Then again, probably not.

    Anyways, perhaps our intrepid host will do some data mining here, as it initially appears that the protests have been rather smaller gatherings and mostly peaceful.

    https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  47. Corvinus says:
    @rebel yell

    “Anarcho-Tyranny 101: Protest. Shut down the streets. Heckle and beat up people you disagree with. Ban people you disagree with. Scream really loud.”

    So, like this?

    https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/us-capitol-hill-siege-explained-7136632/

    • Troll: Buzz Mohawk
  48. @Robert Dolan

    Yes, inveterate passive voice users often find themselves in such a fix.

  49. @dfordoom

    Catastrophic military defeat at the hands of Russia and/or China could collapse the US federal government. Separate nations could easily result. Remember Germany didn’t need to be invaded in WW1 to lose the Rhineland, the Saar, Alsace-Lorainne, Danzig, eastern Pomerania, Upper Silesia, German Cameroon, Namibia and many other smaller areas with local non-German populations. Just demoralised militarily and politically.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  50. @black sea

    I love love LOVE Walmart!

    Aside from the fact that for under $200 you can stock up on an enormous amount of household staples, you get to witness the lower and lower middle classes of America in all their glory.

    Shopping there stretches the dollar AND provides a unique opportunity to engage in sociological research.

    What’s not to like?

  51. @Jonathan Mason

    It might be more effective for the state of Florida to underwrite riot insurance so that retailers like Walmart can be compensated.

    Yeah, great idea.

    Not that it will allow, you know, the built in excuse “Hey, so what if I steal! They have insurance!”

    My advice to you — stay away from suggesting public policy.

    • Agree: photondancer
  52. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Wow, a extremely rare moment of NOTICING on your part.

    You should talk, you insipid nitwit.

    Why do you bother to respond to any posat here? Desperate for attention? Nobody cares what you think, you prating idiot.

  53. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    You conveniently ignore all the protests which resulted in people killed, city blocks burned to the ground, police stations besieged, statues toppled, etc., don’t you, you deceitful idiot?

  54. @JohnnyWalker123

    Those dang Anglo-Saxon political traditions have no place in our
    Judeo-Guatemalan-Congolese-LGBTQI republic, and they need to be
    buried right alongside Prince Philip.

    Meghan Markle can operate the backhoe.

  55. anon215 says:

    What about the peaceful white protestors in the 2017 Charlottesville protest, who were attacked by Antifa/BLM? Are these same libturds going to defend *their* right to protest?

  56. Gamecock says:

    The question is really how you enact laws that allow for legitimate political protest, but severely penalize people who take part in opportunistic looting.

    El Dato has it. Actually, American had the answer til the 1960s.

    Political protestors say whatever they want. Looters are shot. It wasn’t complicated when I was young. Looting in time of emergency was a capital offense; you could be summarily shot.

    What I find interesting is the the “Defund the police” mob is working toward the return to what we used to know. Last year, someone breaks the window of your store, you call the police. They come and stop it. Without police, someone breaks the window of your store, you shoot ’em.

    It’s delightfully more efficient. The funny thing is, the police protect the protesters more than they protect others. They shield them from a pissed off public.

    Without police, the McCloskeys would have had to actually shoot the trespassers.

  57. anon[625] • Disclaimer says:

    How come this hasn’t been poasted yet?

    “I hope no bad people show up…”

  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Another Canadian

    Catastrophic military defeat at the hands of Russia and/or China could collapse the US federal government. Separate nations could easily result.

    That’s a kind of magical thinking. There are all kinds of scenarios that could result in separate nations – an invasion by aliens from outer space, an asteroid hitting the Earth, divine intervention, etc. But all those scenarios are very very unlikely.

    The fact is that, barring some incredibly catastrophic and unlikely event, separate nations is something that is just not gonna happen.

    It’s a weird kind of defeatism by a significant segment of the Right – they know that they’ve hopelessly lost the culture war so they resort to wishful thinking.

    They also overlook the fact that even if they got separate nations those separate nations would be in a permanent state of war with each other.

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