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This is increasingly the conventional wisdom among the media class like this NBC reporter: that it’s undemocratic for Italian voters to have any say in who gets into Italy, that everybody in Nigeria has a civil right to relocate to a beautiful Italian city in Italy. After all, why should the Italians get all the Magic Dirt that grows beautiful cities like mushrooms while the Nigerians get stuck with the Tragic Dirt without any oil or gas?

 
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  1. Ross is well quoted there, he’s representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that’s pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a “talking to plants” moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don’t have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @J.Ross

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @J.Ross


    What is the difference between sending money we don’t have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk?
     
    Something to do with global "rules," or so they tell us. Apparently, you can't just make smart decisions. Instead you have to follow the "rules." All experts agree that this is the thing we must do.
    , @clifford brown
    @J.Ross


    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
     
    To impoverish and exterminate you, that is the purpose of Western governments.

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @Thoughts
    @J.Ross

    Has Steve ever talked about the concept of Greater Israel and why Israel is so angry that Russia/China are supporting Syria?

    No, he hasn't.

    But it's the key to understanding why US taxpayer dollars keeps going into Ukraine.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @JR Ewing
    @J.Ross


    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
     
    Because the biggest fear of practically every American is being called "insensitive" or, even worse, "racist" and the biggest aspiration of practically every journalist is to get to call another person "insensitive" or, even better, "racist".

    So the establishment has its own priorities and incentives - whatever increases its own power and wealth - and it coaches the media that any opposition thereto is obviously just due to insensitive and racist people.

    And the media runs with it and actively enforces the bounds of polite conversation and most normal people fall in line due to that primal fear... and the establishment gets to pursue its priorities - wealth and power - without any significant opposition.

    The establishment doesn't care about a depression - they're still going to get richer anyway - and they don't care about a war because they're not going to die and they'll probably be even more powerful once it happens.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @J.Ross

    J.Ross, you must be a dunderhead. As Steve and JackD have pointed out over and over again, we have to go to war with Russia and fight to the last Ukrainian over Ukraine's piecemeally-planned and irrationally-drawn borders in order to prove that borders aren't defined by war. The alternative would be admitting any kind of legitimate power over borders other than the global elites/US foreign policy blob/EU bureaucrats, and that would lead to war. So, war is peace. Got it?

    Nevermind that DOS/UN rejection of citizenship referendums is basically the same as EU rejections of national border enforcement through national elections.

    Just nevermind. Remember, war is peace, and "we have tools" is democracy.

  2. Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America – and most of Latinx America isn’t even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn’t happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.

    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn’t believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat’s use of the word “integration” is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don’t foresee a major shift.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Thulean Friend


    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn’t happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.
     
    Russia can easily fly in Africans from Istanbul to jump the fence at the borders of Lithuania/Poland with Belarus.

    According to state-owned TRT Haber there are 100,000 Africans in Turkey as of 2021 and around 70% of them are located in Istanbul. Other studies state the majority of Africans in Turkey lives in Istanbul and report Tarlabaşı, Dolapdere, Kumkapı, Yenikapı and Kurtuluş as having a strong African presence.
     
    , @Cido
    @Thulean Friend


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn’t believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.
     

    The situation nowadays in European societies is dangerous. The relative prosperity nowadays doesn't show the long term consequences which a low human capital will have. How to get rid of all the millions aliens who already live in white countries nowadays ?
    The so called "successful far-right" parties don't say something about that. If a black is born in England, have parents which were born in England he is English anyway...
    And worse. In the long term, through the generations, non-Westerns will inevitably miscigenate with the natives, putting the genetic pool and human potential of European societies in the bottom forever.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Coconuts
    @Thulean Friend


    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity...
     
    Perhaps they would need to define the nation in more Aristotelian terms: as a body of families sharing a common life in order to perpetuate themselves from generation to generation, something like that.

    Then the successful preservation and reproduction of the original founding body of families over time can become a relevant political question.

    Instead, if you see nations as aggregations of free and equal individuals, you get the situation where the government just needs to operate to ensure that a given portion of territory has a stable population of individuals over time and maintains a particular level of economic output.

    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Mark G.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Thulean Friend


    Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America
     
    Just wait a few decades. The left wants to(a) destrpy and impoverish Russia and then (b) keep cooling the planet. Eventually, a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska will form...
    , @AnotherDad
    @Thulean Friend


    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.
     
    Standing up to these Jewish/fellow-traveler sociopaths who demand that every historic white gentile nation must be immivaded and destroyed is the only essential task.

    Yes, people are entitled to keep themselves, their communities, culture--their nation--intact.

    Not only entitled it is their essential duty. And a duty worth killing those who try and stop that--ergo are trying to kill your people and nation.
  3. elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth

    Ai Cernyweg yw honno?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Níl fhios agam, wo~ bu! dao! (.) You write normie-accessible stuff, relvy stuff, it's modsville; you take the advice of Mork in his frist HBO special, and it goes right through. Sellping truly is the most thoroughly useless skill.

  4. Nigeria has plenty of oil and gas. So does Venezuela for that matter. It seems to benefit just the elites.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @sa
    @SF

    I believe he was being sarcastic

    , @ScarletNumber
    @SF


    Nigeria has plenty of oil and gas. So does Venezuela for that matter. It seems to benefit just the elites.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
  5. Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?

    Do this, don’t Douthat.
    Can’t you read the signs?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Reg Cæsar

    My favorite:

    No admittance
    Trespassers will be violated.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not sure how people don’t realize this song’s theme about restricting freedom of association.

  6. sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe, which Jack D told us is more impressive than a medieval cathedral.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Redneck farmer

    I'm afraid that you are wrong on two counts,
    1) The Zimbabwe ruins were built by Arab slave traders using sub-Saharan slaves
    2) Compared to any medieval cathedral they are a very modest heap of stones.
    I think that you may have been being sarcastic, but in case you weren't I felt that I need to set the record straight

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @tyrone
    @Redneck farmer


    sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe,
     
    .......if it was in Peru you wouldn't even get out of the car.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  7. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?

    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.
     
    They're not retards, they're cynical bastards.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @fish

    , @BB753
    @JimDandy

    Ask Corvinus and Art Deco.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JimDandy

  8. Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?

    Trump already answered this: More from Norway and fewer from “shit-hole” countries like Haiti. But everyone had a freakout ’cause Orange Man said the truth. It’s a shame pundits won’t say the truth on Twitter. But what are ya gonna do. I guess they can hint and imply, and that’s half the fun.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Hypnotoad666

    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Jack P
    @Hypnotoad666

    Funny thing is Douthat was as benign as possible with what he said. It's not like he endorsed Europe expelling all the dark people. That media stooge was so triggered though. We need more triggering like that.

  9. Meanwhile in Iran.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Dream

    Wow, I really care about this. Go fight your own wars.

    , @J.Ross
    @Dream

    Three letter agent glow so bright, hey, this isn't the yearsend bonfire jump!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @JimDandy
    @Dream

    Meanwhile, back in Italy:

    WorldChristian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Bill
    @Dream

    Have they started throwing babies out of incubators yet?

  10. I can’t do this because I’ve been banned, but someone should ask Ben, who is jewish, if he has the same policy with regard to israel. Twitter must be doing a good job of weeding out people who ask pesky questions like this because there have been many responses and no one has asked him this yet.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Mea culpa. Just saw Steve's tweet making this point.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  11. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    What is the difference between sending money we don’t have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk?

    Something to do with global “rules,” or so they tell us. Apparently, you can’t just make smart decisions. Instead you have to follow the “rules.” All experts agree that this is the thing we must do.

  12. @SF
    Nigeria has plenty of oil and gas. So does Venezuela for that matter. It seems to benefit just the elites.

    Replies: @sa, @ScarletNumber

    I believe he was being sarcastic

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  13. The path for forward for parties of the center-left in Europe begins with an acknowledgment that the challenges of collapsed birthrates + migrant integration ARE the central challenges of 21st century Europe, not far-right distractions that will vanish in some restored normalcy.

    This in itself is cucky. Yeah, there’s an integration problem, but the much bigger issues–orders of magnitude bigger–is just stopping the immavasion. Now, of course, it is an absolutely trivial problem to fix–enforce your border. But Europe–and American, the Anglosphere–seems unable to do it.

    So you’re saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?

    Douthat actually didn’t even have the minimal cojones to say that.

    But this Ben Collins twerp is apparently a minoritarian “bad think” sniffer so he can tell.

    But here this is actually useful. And if Douthat can not actually answer this sort of minoritarian–and logically, mathematically exterminationist–garbage with a clear forcefully burst of affirmative clarity then Douthat should stop pretending to be any sort of “conservative” and just bend over and take what the special people have in mind for us.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    I don't know whether this guy Collins is Jewish or just a fellow traveler. "Collins" sure sounds Anglo or Irish, but name stealing nonsense is common.) Whichever he certainly got the aggressive but empty, argumentative vibe down right.

    But whatever he is, some Twitter conservatives need to challenge him as an open exterminationist. This is not complicated. If a nation--say Italy has sub-replacement fertility but allows immigrants in, then that will simply be the end of the Italian people and ergo Italy. There may be a place on the map people refer to as "Italy" with some people in it, but it will not be Italy in any meaningful way.

    Douthat is calling--weakly as he doesn't even say "immigration stop"--for Italians to survive. Collins is calling for them to be invaded and cease to exist as a people and nation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Brutusale, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @Bill
    @AnotherDad


    just bend over and take what the special people have in mind for us.
     
    That's Douthat's role, yes.
  14. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I can't do this because I've been banned, but someone should ask Ben, who is jewish, if he has the same policy with regard to israel. Twitter must be doing a good job of weeding out people who ask pesky questions like this because there have been many responses and no one has asked him this yet.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    Mea culpa. Just saw Steve’s tweet making this point.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Steve gets a pass as a controlled opposition racist

  15. @Reg Cæsar

    Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Do this, don't Douthat.
    Can't you read the signs?




    https://youtu.be/gYvdTvUcGIM

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Mike Tre

    My favorite:

    No admittance
    Trespassers will be violated.

  16. @AnotherDad

    The path for forward for parties of the center-left in Europe begins with an acknowledgment that the challenges of collapsed birthrates + migrant integration ARE the central challenges of 21st century Europe, not far-right distractions that will vanish in some restored normalcy.
     
    This in itself is cucky. Yeah, there's an integration problem, but the much bigger issues--orders of magnitude bigger--is just stopping the immavasion. Now, of course, it is an absolutely trivial problem to fix--enforce your border. But Europe--and American, the Anglosphere--seems unable to do it.

    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Douthat actually didn't even have the minimal cojones to say that.

    But this Ben Collins twerp is apparently a minoritarian "bad think" sniffer so he can tell.

    But here this is actually useful. And if Douthat can not actually answer this sort of minoritarian--and logically, mathematically exterminationist--garbage with a clear forcefully burst of affirmative clarity then Douthat should stop pretending to be any sort of "conservative" and just bend over and take what the special people have in mind for us.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bill

    So you’re saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?

    I don’t know whether this guy Collins is Jewish or just a fellow traveler. “Collins” sure sounds Anglo or Irish, but name stealing nonsense is common.) Whichever he certainly got the aggressive but empty, argumentative vibe down right.

    But whatever he is, some Twitter conservatives need to challenge him as an open exterminationist. This is not complicated. If a nation–say Italy has sub-replacement fertility but allows immigrants in, then that will simply be the end of the Italian people and ergo Italy. There may be a place on the map people refer to as “Italy” with some people in it, but it will not be Italy in any meaningful way.

    Douthat is calling–weakly as he doesn’t even say “immigration stop”–for Italians to survive. Collins is calling for them to be invaded and cease to exist as a people and nation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    An awful lot of Cohens, Kohns etc transmogrified into 'Collins' on hitting US soil.

    , @Brutusale
    @AnotherDad

    The owners of the first two companies I worked for were Lou Burke and Mike Carey. That they arrived here as Lemuel Berkowitz and Myron Kerensky isn't important.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @AnotherDad

    He's even more jewish than Ben Smith and Matt Yglesias.

  17. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Tangentially related, new UK PM Liz Truss has hinted that her Conservative government will ‘relax’ immigration controls in order to ‘boost economic growth’, (where have I heard that one before?, apparently you can’t have enough Deliveroo or JustEat moped drivers).
    ‘Super intelligent’ ethnically Ghanaian chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng has just succeeded in blowing up the UK economy in his first proper day in the job and has set up dollar/sterling parity for the first time in economic history, since the time the fledgling republic adopted the dollar, in fact.
    Liz Truss has also hinted on ‘free movement’ with India – a nation of north of 1.5 billion people, and growing, extreme poverty, enormous unemployment and graduate over production.
    Yet it is plainly obvious that just about the only glue which binds Conservative party members and voters together is hostility to third world immigration. Hell, if offered a choice between a hypothetical zero immigration Corbin style government and ‘free movement’ with India, they would vote for Corbin in a heartbeat.

    What was Brexit all about again?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anonymous

    What was Brexit all about again?

    Replacing integration with EU with integration with the Commonwealth.

  18. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe, which Jack D told us is more impressive than a medieval cathedral.

    Replies: @Anon, @tyrone

    I’m afraid that you are wrong on two counts,
    1) The Zimbabwe ruins were built by Arab slave traders using sub-Saharan slaves
    2) Compared to any medieval cathedral they are a very modest heap of stones.
    I think that you may have been being sarcastic, but in case you weren’t I felt that I need to set the record straight

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anon


    Like many historical sites, Great Zimbabwe is cloaked in myth. Yet few have been shrouded in so many outright lies. After a visit in 1871 Karl Mauch, a German explorer, concluded that the site was too impressive to have been built by Africans. Mauch wondered whether he had found Ophir, the biblical land of riches.

    His suspicions were apparently confirmed after he sniffed a lintel. It smelt of Lebanese cedar—rather than, say, the local sandalwood—and so he concluded that materials must have been brought by Phoenicians or Israelites. “A civilised nation must once have lived there,” he wrote. In other words, not a black one.

    Mauch’s writing was catnip to colonialists. In 1889 Willi Posselt, another German explorer, bribed a local bigwig and stole one of Great Zimbabwe’s bird carvings which had spiritual importance for the local Shona people. Posselt sold the bird to Cecil Rhodes, who established the British South Africa Company that year to exploit the area north of the Limpopo river.

    Rhodes funded trips to Great Zimbabwe for other colonial explorers. In 1891 James T. Bent carried out the first archaeological dig, carelessly. He agreed that the site could not have been the work of local Africans.

    Other British archaeologists soon challenged these views. In 1905 David Randall-McIver saw that artefacts at Great Zimbabwe were akin to those still used by Shona. He noted that the Arab and Persian glass beads at the site were from the 14th or 15th centuries, not biblical times. Later research trips, including one of the first female-led excavations anywhere, by Gertrude Caton-Thompson and Kathleen Kenyon, also surmised that Africans built Great Zimbabwe.
     
  19. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    I don't know whether this guy Collins is Jewish or just a fellow traveler. "Collins" sure sounds Anglo or Irish, but name stealing nonsense is common.) Whichever he certainly got the aggressive but empty, argumentative vibe down right.

    But whatever he is, some Twitter conservatives need to challenge him as an open exterminationist. This is not complicated. If a nation--say Italy has sub-replacement fertility but allows immigrants in, then that will simply be the end of the Italian people and ergo Italy. There may be a place on the map people refer to as "Italy" with some people in it, but it will not be Italy in any meaningful way.

    Douthat is calling--weakly as he doesn't even say "immigration stop"--for Italians to survive. Collins is calling for them to be invaded and cease to exist as a people and nation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Brutusale, @Malcolm X-Lax

    An awful lot of Cohens, Kohns etc transmogrified into ‘Collins’ on hitting US soil.

    • Thanks: SOL
  20. A good take on this:

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  21. @JimDandy
    @J.Ross

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.

    They’re not retards, they’re cynical bastards.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Reg Cæsar

    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hey, hey, speak nothing but good of the dead.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar


    They’re not retards, they’re cynical bastards.
     
    Most of them were dead.
    , @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    No….they’re retards.

  22. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?

    To impoverish and exterminate you, that is the purpose of Western governments.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @clifford brown

    Well, they have already told us they want a world population of 500 million.....getting there from here is not going to be pretty.

  23. @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.
     
    They're not retards, they're cynical bastards.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @fish

    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

     

    They think they'll stay on top of the new population. It's just a different flavor of white supremacism. Like when Obama called Ugandans "odious".

    Replies: @JimDandy

  24. anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend
    Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America - and most of Latinx America isn't even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn't happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.


    ---


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn't believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat's use of the word "integration" is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don't foresee a major shift.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @Coconuts, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn’t happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.

    Russia can easily fly in Africans from Istanbul to jump the fence at the borders of Lithuania/Poland with Belarus.

    According to state-owned TRT Haber there are 100,000 Africans in Turkey as of 2021 and around 70% of them are located in Istanbul. Other studies state the majority of Africans in Turkey lives in Istanbul and report Tarlabaşı, Dolapdere, Kumkapı, Yenikapı and Kurtuluş as having a strong African presence.

  25. With normal economic growth an aging population is affordable.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @P.T.

    The Cathedral has to get it's story straight. On one hand, immigrants may add to GDP, as a raw number. But that doesn't mean GDP per capita goes up, in fact, probably the opposite. Quality of life doesn't appear to be a consideration. Immigrants are a drain on the public fisc. Japan has an aging population and zero immigration. But because it's a cohesive society their quality of life hasn't dropped even if GDP has , and only minimally.

    Further, the same elites know as we become a more automated and mechanized economy, there's less of a need for mass unskilled labor. That will only be more of a drag on the economy. Now if you want cheap lawn care, nannies and country club greens fees, illegals are great. But that again benefits elites, not the country as a whole. Up until 1986, working poor and young people entering the job market did those jobs.

    As to an aging population, thanks to the less than brilliant work by the Biden Administration, lots of those aging folks are not going to be retiring as their 401Ks and IRAs take a beating. What the elites won't tell you is they want the illegals to keep the SSI Ponzi scheme afloat. Because if and when that collapses and the checks don't go out, they won't be able to hide their malfeasance.

  26. anonymous[976] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Redneck farmer

    I'm afraid that you are wrong on two counts,
    1) The Zimbabwe ruins were built by Arab slave traders using sub-Saharan slaves
    2) Compared to any medieval cathedral they are a very modest heap of stones.
    I think that you may have been being sarcastic, but in case you weren't I felt that I need to set the record straight

    Replies: @anonymous

    Like many historical sites, Great Zimbabwe is cloaked in myth. Yet few have been shrouded in so many outright lies. After a visit in 1871 Karl Mauch, a German explorer, concluded that the site was too impressive to have been built by Africans. Mauch wondered whether he had found Ophir, the biblical land of riches.

    His suspicions were apparently confirmed after he sniffed a lintel. It smelt of Lebanese cedar—rather than, say, the local sandalwood—and so he concluded that materials must have been brought by Phoenicians or Israelites. “A civilised nation must once have lived there,” he wrote. In other words, not a black one.

    Mauch’s writing was catnip to colonialists. In 1889 Willi Posselt, another German explorer, bribed a local bigwig and stole one of Great Zimbabwe’s bird carvings which had spiritual importance for the local Shona people. Posselt sold the bird to Cecil Rhodes, who established the British South Africa Company that year to exploit the area north of the Limpopo river.

    Rhodes funded trips to Great Zimbabwe for other colonial explorers. In 1891 James T. Bent carried out the first archaeological dig, carelessly. He agreed that the site could not have been the work of local Africans.

    Other British archaeologists soon challenged these views. In 1905 David Randall-McIver saw that artefacts at Great Zimbabwe were akin to those still used by Shona. He noted that the Arab and Persian glass beads at the site were from the 14th or 15th centuries, not biblical times. Later research trips, including one of the first female-led excavations anywhere, by Gertrude Caton-Thompson and Kathleen Kenyon, also surmised that Africans built Great Zimbabwe.

  27. Ben Collins is concerned about right wing rhetoric and mass shootings at synagogues.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    I remain baffled by the argument that, if a Russian says that 2+2=4, then math stops. All of the claims "tied" to Russia have all kinds of non-Russian corroboration, and none originated from a Russian government source, but if they did, so what? They use Russia as a way of discrediting non-leftist social media observers on the ground, eg, videoing riots in our cities (they literally say that never happened). At the same time we have the Ukrainian Russia Hoax, the conclusion of which ought to have thoroughly reset all our prerogatives regarding information coming from that part of the world, except that the establishment/left can never learn from its mistakes because it functionally never loses. Witness the Vice President declaring the border to be secure or the President declaring gasoline to be two dollars a gallon somewhere, and neither fearing nor indeed receiving any correction. If we had a party that wasn't so Mitchy, we would drive a bulldozer through that bubble of theirs, like we did in 2016.

  28. @Dream
    Meanwhile in Iran.

    https://twitter.com/AlirezaNader/status/1574428497354842113?s=20&t=8_pb3lqo3NmnNQmWMCE0VQ

    Replies: @clifford brown, @J.Ross, @JimDandy, @Bill

    Wow, I really care about this. Go fight your own wars.

    • Troll: AndrewR
  29. Steve,

    I agree with Douthat here.

    This new Meloni woman might be catnip to rightwing blogs, but talking about gender issues is simply an distraction. This stuff _isn’t_ a real problem for Italy. This is anglophone hysteria. It just isn’t a problem there.

    Italy has deep economic issues. It’d be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I’m not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi or Thatcher to get their country back on track. Italy is in real risk of becoming hopeless, stuff we’ve seen in Greece.

    But Italy isn’t hopeless. Italy shouldn’t be expected to perform like Denmark or Germany, but it’s nothing like Portugal, Greece or even Spain, either! Italy is one of Europe’s most important industrial states and should aim to be somewhere between Belgium, Poland & France in performance. Italy just needs good leaders and stable policy for once.

    Not the five clowns movement, the populist right or the Putin right. Italy needs Republicans.

    • Troll: TWS
    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Maciano

    But is Draghi not a maffia accountant, like DSK his french doppelganger, or what was the brits name, Brown? Accountants while competent, tend to make bad prime ministers. Journalists like Mussolini fare much better. Something to do with will and charizma.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @J.Ross
    @Maciano

    >a competent leader like Draghi
    [staring]

    , @AnotherDad
    @Maciano


    Italy has deep economic issues. It’d be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I’m not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi ....
     
    Homo economicus.

    Economics must be dealt with. A problem made harder because the euro fixes them in competition with Germany.

    But Italy has low fertility, is in fully and accelerating native population decline--just with mostly the people born in the 30s dying off.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy#Vital_statistics

    And has this huge bunch of Italians born in the 60s boom queued up to retire in the next 10-15 years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

    Italy's population can slump and recover to a steady state at a lower number. A half a million Italians born a year would be a steady state 40m. (It's already down to 400k babies/year.) But it absolutely can not allow immigrants in while this is happening or in a few decades it simply ceases to exist.

    Say your economic fantasy leader--who does not actually exist--gets the Italian economy humming for a decade or two ... but then 30 years out the new "replacement people" are the "citizens" and "workers" coming on line. You're accomplished precisely ... nothing. And Italy is gone.

    No.
    Job #1 -- stop immivasion; and deport the migrants there
    Job #2 -- affordable family formation, incentives, Italian pride--everything you can think of--to get the Italian birthrate of the 20 and 30 somethings back up

    Just doing #1 and #2 competently would be hugely economically beneficial.

    Replies: @Abe

  30. @Thulean Friend
    Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America - and most of Latinx America isn't even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn't happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.


    ---


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn't believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat's use of the word "integration" is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don't foresee a major shift.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @Coconuts, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad

    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn’t believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The situation nowadays in European societies is dangerous. The relative prosperity nowadays doesn’t show the long term consequences which a low human capital will have. How to get rid of all the millions aliens who already live in white countries nowadays ?
    The so called “successful far-right” parties don’t say something about that. If a black is born in England, have parents which were born in England he is English anyway…
    And worse. In the long term, through the generations, non-Westerns will inevitably miscigenate with the natives, putting the genetic pool and human potential of European societies in the bottom forever.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Cido

    "If a black is born in England, have parents which were born in England he is English anyway"

    Don't non-native people in Great Britain and their descendants usually call themselves "British"? English a nationality; British is a state affiliation.

  31. Wow looks like Italy is no longer a ‘Mature Democracy’ i.e. one that elects who they are told to elect.

    Can see a color revolution folder being dusted off right now.

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Do this, don't Douthat.
    Can't you read the signs?




    https://youtu.be/gYvdTvUcGIM

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Mike Tre

    Not sure how people don’t realize this song’s theme about restricting freedom of association.

  33. Mr Collins is, I think, a despicable anti-Semite, as Netanyahu has explained in great detail who he does not want:
    “Illegal African migrants are a threat to the identity of the Jewish state”.
    Around 2012, there were 50,000 black Sudanese and Eritrean migrants living in Israel, the riddle is how many of them are left today?

  34. @Redneck farmer
    sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe, which Jack D told us is more impressive than a medieval cathedral.

    Replies: @Anon, @tyrone

    sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe,

    …….if it was in Peru you wouldn’t even get out of the car.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @tyrone

    Peru has a lot of ancient ruins. I speculated that the population was higher in the past because of the extraordinary terracing the ancients did of mountainsides to grow more potatoes.

    Replies: @tyrone

  35. @clifford brown
    @J.Ross


    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
     
    To impoverish and exterminate you, that is the purpose of Western governments.

    Replies: @tyrone

    Well, they have already told us they want a world population of 500 million…..getting there from here is not going to be pretty.

  36. OT ABC News twitter account just noticed that way back when, Joseph Biden said that if Russia invades, we’ll put an end to NordStream 2, then avoided giving specifics about what he meant or how. We’re not just fighting Russia to the last American pretending to be Ukrainian. We’re so determined to fight Russia, going to pulverize Germany.

  37. @tyrone
    @Redneck farmer


    sub-Saharan Africans built Great Zimbabwe,
     
    .......if it was in Peru you wouldn't even get out of the car.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Peru has a lot of ancient ruins. I speculated that the population was higher in the past because of the extraordinary terracing the ancients did of mountainsides to grow more potatoes.

    • LOL: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Steve Sailer

    And the quality of the stone work is a real head scratcher

  38. @Thulean Friend
    Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America - and most of Latinx America isn't even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn't happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.


    ---


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn't believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat's use of the word "integration" is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don't foresee a major shift.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @Coconuts, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity…

    Perhaps they would need to define the nation in more Aristotelian terms: as a body of families sharing a common life in order to perpetuate themselves from generation to generation, something like that.

    Then the successful preservation and reproduction of the original founding body of families over time can become a relevant political question.

    Instead, if you see nations as aggregations of free and equal individuals, you get the situation where the government just needs to operate to ensure that a given portion of territory has a stable population of individuals over time and maintains a particular level of economic output.

    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Coconuts

    And what would the Native White American Working Class have in common with the Hindus…Pakistani Muslims…and Sikhs….and Nigerians? Guess who gets to be voted into a violently persecuted ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of America and cleaning Sarah Rao’s toilets?

    , @Mark G.
    @Coconuts


    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.
     
    You would need to make sure the immigrants are productive enough that they pay more in taxes than they and their families receive in government benefits. This is mostly not the case now in Europe and the United States.

    I mostly agree with Meloni but like most politicians her political beliefs are a mixed bag. She has said women have a right to choose not to work while raising children. This means the government would have to tax people to support non-working women and their children. This may be the thinking of an "autistic libertarian", but I think being pro-family means people should be able to keep the money they earn to support their own family and not have it taxed away and given to others.
  39. @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.
     
    They're not retards, they're cynical bastards.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @fish

    Hey, hey, speak nothing but good of the dead.

  40. @SF
    Nigeria has plenty of oil and gas. So does Venezuela for that matter. It seems to benefit just the elites.

    Replies: @sa, @ScarletNumber

    Nigeria has plenty of oil and gas. So does Venezuela for that matter. It seems to benefit just the elites.

  41. @anonymous
    https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1056281289039507456

    Ben Collins is concerned about right wing rhetoric and mass shootings at synagogues.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I remain baffled by the argument that, if a Russian says that 2+2=4, then math stops. All of the claims “tied” to Russia have all kinds of non-Russian corroboration, and none originated from a Russian government source, but if they did, so what? They use Russia as a way of discrediting non-leftist social media observers on the ground, eg, videoing riots in our cities (they literally say that never happened). At the same time we have the Ukrainian Russia Hoax, the conclusion of which ought to have thoroughly reset all our prerogatives regarding information coming from that part of the world, except that the establishment/left can never learn from its mistakes because it functionally never loses. Witness the Vice President declaring the border to be secure or the President declaring gasoline to be two dollars a gallon somewhere, and neither fearing nor indeed receiving any correction. If we had a party that wasn’t so Mitchy, we would drive a bulldozer through that bubble of theirs, like we did in 2016.

  42. @JimDandy
    @J.Ross

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    Ask Corvinus and Art Deco.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @BB753

    Ask me what?

    Replies: @BB753

    , @JimDandy
    @BB753

    What, you should have a problem with an all-Zionist cabinet?

  43. @Coconuts
    @Thulean Friend


    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity...
     
    Perhaps they would need to define the nation in more Aristotelian terms: as a body of families sharing a common life in order to perpetuate themselves from generation to generation, something like that.

    Then the successful preservation and reproduction of the original founding body of families over time can become a relevant political question.

    Instead, if you see nations as aggregations of free and equal individuals, you get the situation where the government just needs to operate to ensure that a given portion of territory has a stable population of individuals over time and maintains a particular level of economic output.

    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Mark G.

    And what would the Native White American Working Class have in common with the Hindus…Pakistani Muslims…and Sikhs….and Nigerians? Guess who gets to be voted into a violently persecuted ever dwindling racial minority within the borders of America and cleaning Sarah Rao’s toilets?

  44. Some of the comments on that thread are hilarious (in a very unfortunate way).

    Apparently, there are many people who think that indigenous Italians are interchangeable with Sub-Saharan Africans, at least as far as the economic and cultural future of Italy is concerned.

    There is no evidence to support that assumption, and enormous evidence to the contrary.

    The people who believe this are either idiots or intentionally anti-White (possibly both).

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Technite78

    I think they're mostly neo-religionists and they're everywhere:

    https://www.zmescience.com/science/wannabe-academics-iq-gdp-racism/

  45. @P.T.
    With normal economic growth an aging population is affordable.

    Replies: @Bugg

    The Cathedral has to get it’s story straight. On one hand, immigrants may add to GDP, as a raw number. But that doesn’t mean GDP per capita goes up, in fact, probably the opposite. Quality of life doesn’t appear to be a consideration. Immigrants are a drain on the public fisc. Japan has an aging population and zero immigration. But because it’s a cohesive society their quality of life hasn’t dropped even if GDP has , and only minimally.

    Further, the same elites know as we become a more automated and mechanized economy, there’s less of a need for mass unskilled labor. That will only be more of a drag on the economy. Now if you want cheap lawn care, nannies and country club greens fees, illegals are great. But that again benefits elites, not the country as a whole. Up until 1986, working poor and young people entering the job market did those jobs.

    As to an aging population, thanks to the less than brilliant work by the Biden Administration, lots of those aging folks are not going to be retiring as their 401Ks and IRAs take a beating. What the elites won’t tell you is they want the illegals to keep the SSI Ponzi scheme afloat. Because if and when that collapses and the checks don’t go out, they won’t be able to hide their malfeasance.

    • Agree: Gordo
  46. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    I don't know whether this guy Collins is Jewish or just a fellow traveler. "Collins" sure sounds Anglo or Irish, but name stealing nonsense is common.) Whichever he certainly got the aggressive but empty, argumentative vibe down right.

    But whatever he is, some Twitter conservatives need to challenge him as an open exterminationist. This is not complicated. If a nation--say Italy has sub-replacement fertility but allows immigrants in, then that will simply be the end of the Italian people and ergo Italy. There may be a place on the map people refer to as "Italy" with some people in it, but it will not be Italy in any meaningful way.

    Douthat is calling--weakly as he doesn't even say "immigration stop"--for Italians to survive. Collins is calling for them to be invaded and cease to exist as a people and nation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Brutusale, @Malcolm X-Lax

    The owners of the first two companies I worked for were Lou Burke and Mike Carey. That they arrived here as Lemuel Berkowitz and Myron Kerensky isn’t important.

  47. @Technite78
    Some of the comments on that thread are hilarious (in a very unfortunate way).

    Apparently, there are many people who think that indigenous Italians are interchangeable with Sub-Saharan Africans, at least as far as the economic and cultural future of Italy is concerned.

    There is no evidence to support that assumption, and enormous evidence to the contrary.

    The people who believe this are either idiots or intentionally anti-White (possibly both).

    Replies: @fnn

    I think they’re mostly neo-religionists and they’re everywhere:

    https://www.zmescience.com/science/wannabe-academics-iq-gdp-racism/

  48. @Maciano
    Steve,

    I agree with Douthat here.

    This new Meloni woman might be catnip to rightwing blogs, but talking about gender issues is simply an distraction. This stuff _isn't_ a real problem for Italy. This is anglophone hysteria. It just isn't a problem there.

    Italy has deep economic issues. It'd be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I'm not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi or Thatcher to get their country back on track. Italy is in real risk of becoming hopeless, stuff we've seen in Greece.

    But Italy isn't hopeless. Italy shouldn't be expected to perform like Denmark or Germany, but it's nothing like Portugal, Greece or even Spain, either! Italy is one of Europe's most important industrial states and should aim to be somewhere between Belgium, Poland & France in performance. Italy just needs good leaders and stable policy for once.

    Not the five clowns movement, the populist right or the Putin right. Italy needs Republicans.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    But is Draghi not a maffia accountant, like DSK his french doppelganger, or what was the brits name, Brown? Accountants while competent, tend to make bad prime ministers. Journalists like Mussolini fare much better. Something to do with will and charizma.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    As a journalist, I'd say, vote for the accountant.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    Mussolini was sucessful at staying in power and giving friends and relations cushy jobs. Other than that he was pretty much a disaster as an actual leader. Spent a lot of money on the military that got siphoned off by corruption, wasted the budget on showy white elephants and tacky monuments rather than actually fixing infrastructure, drove a lot of Italy's best minds abroad, and engaged in some disastrous attempts to build an empire that led to his country being overrun and collapsing. Kind of reminds you of a recent Russian ruler.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  49. @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Maciano

    But is Draghi not a maffia accountant, like DSK his french doppelganger, or what was the brits name, Brown? Accountants while competent, tend to make bad prime ministers. Journalists like Mussolini fare much better. Something to do with will and charizma.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Peter Akuleyev

    As a journalist, I’d say, vote for the accountant.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    As a journalist, I’d say, vote for the accountant.
     
    If current and past accountants can’t account for popular outrage over demographic change and other things, how good at math are they really? ‘Responsibly’ shuffling money while allowing an African invasion is a good way to get black swanned.

    Mussolinis or Melonis would not be necessary if ‘accountants’ were accountable.
  50. “So you’re saying”

    is a strong marker for mischaracterizing someone else statement.

    Whenever I see it, I just stop reading because the rest is a waste of time.

  51. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    Has Steve ever talked about the concept of Greater Israel and why Israel is so angry that Russia/China are supporting Syria?

    No, he hasn’t.

    But it’s the key to understanding why US taxpayer dollars keeps going into Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    I've talked often about how Israel isn't particularly worked up over Russia invading Ukraine.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  52. @Maciano
    Steve,

    I agree with Douthat here.

    This new Meloni woman might be catnip to rightwing blogs, but talking about gender issues is simply an distraction. This stuff _isn't_ a real problem for Italy. This is anglophone hysteria. It just isn't a problem there.

    Italy has deep economic issues. It'd be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I'm not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi or Thatcher to get their country back on track. Italy is in real risk of becoming hopeless, stuff we've seen in Greece.

    But Italy isn't hopeless. Italy shouldn't be expected to perform like Denmark or Germany, but it's nothing like Portugal, Greece or even Spain, either! Italy is one of Europe's most important industrial states and should aim to be somewhere between Belgium, Poland & France in performance. Italy just needs good leaders and stable policy for once.

    Not the five clowns movement, the populist right or the Putin right. Italy needs Republicans.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    >a competent leader like Draghi
    [staring]

  53. @Thelma Ringbaum
    @Maciano

    But is Draghi not a maffia accountant, like DSK his french doppelganger, or what was the brits name, Brown? Accountants while competent, tend to make bad prime ministers. Journalists like Mussolini fare much better. Something to do with will and charizma.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Peter Akuleyev

    Mussolini was sucessful at staying in power and giving friends and relations cushy jobs. Other than that he was pretty much a disaster as an actual leader. Spent a lot of money on the military that got siphoned off by corruption, wasted the budget on showy white elephants and tacky monuments rather than actually fixing infrastructure, drove a lot of Italy’s best minds abroad, and engaged in some disastrous attempts to build an empire that led to his country being overrun and collapsing. Kind of reminds you of a recent Russian ruler.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Peter Akuleyev

    No it doesn't. Up until February of this year, there had been dramatic improvements in Russia on every social metric you could name - life expectancy at birth, total fertility rate, the homicide rate, real per capita product, the employment-to-population ratio. The country's quanta of public sector debt and external debt were modest. Wage arrearages were now only a minor problem. The country was as affluent as it had ever been and as affluent vis a vis the United States as at any time in the last four generations. You would be hard put to find an era in Russian history when there was so much improvement in productive resources with so little injury to the broad public in the process.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  54. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?

    Because the biggest fear of practically every American is being called “insensitive” or, even worse, “racist” and the biggest aspiration of practically every journalist is to get to call another person “insensitive” or, even better, “racist”.

    So the establishment has its own priorities and incentives – whatever increases its own power and wealth – and it coaches the media that any opposition thereto is obviously just due to insensitive and racist people.

    And the media runs with it and actively enforces the bounds of polite conversation and most normal people fall in line due to that primal fear… and the establishment gets to pursue its priorities – wealth and power – without any significant opposition.

    The establishment doesn’t care about a depression – they’re still going to get richer anyway – and they don’t care about a war because they’re not going to die and they’ll probably be even more powerful once it happens.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @JR Ewing

    Because the biggest fear of practically every American is being called “insensitive” or, even worse, “racist” and the biggest aspiration of practically every journalist is to get to call another person “insensitive” or, even better, “racist”.

    As Charles Peguy wrote “It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.”

  55. @Thoughts
    @J.Ross

    Has Steve ever talked about the concept of Greater Israel and why Israel is so angry that Russia/China are supporting Syria?

    No, he hasn't.

    But it's the key to understanding why US taxpayer dollars keeps going into Ukraine.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I’ve talked often about how Israel isn’t particularly worked up over Russia invading Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Steve Sailer

    Israel wins either way, and it’s a good chance to test their tech.

  56. @Cido
    @Thulean Friend


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn’t believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.
     

    The situation nowadays in European societies is dangerous. The relative prosperity nowadays doesn't show the long term consequences which a low human capital will have. How to get rid of all the millions aliens who already live in white countries nowadays ?
    The so called "successful far-right" parties don't say something about that. If a black is born in England, have parents which were born in England he is English anyway...
    And worse. In the long term, through the generations, non-Westerns will inevitably miscigenate with the natives, putting the genetic pool and human potential of European societies in the bottom forever.

    Replies: @Anon

    “If a black is born in England, have parents which were born in England he is English anyway”

    Don’t non-native people in Great Britain and their descendants usually call themselves “British”? English a nationality; British is a state affiliation.

  57. The path for forward for parties of the center-left in Europe begins with an acknowledgment that the challenges

    “Challenges.”

    You can stop reading right there. Cheap salesman talk to follow. You are being sold a bill of goods. “OK, with this GPA getting into the Ivy League is going to present some… challenges.”

  58. @J.Ross
    Ross is well quoted there, he's representing the limits of the expressible (and also why that's pointless), but what might be more effective is to have a "talking to plants" moment (cf Idiocracy) and simply point out that this crap does not work. We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
    To this point: Congress just approved an additional $12 billion to be laundered through the corrupt autocratic thugs in Ukraine, because all the money spent until now was not enough. What is the difference between sending money we don't have to corrupt autocratic thugs in Kiev versus sending it to corrupt autocratic thugs in Donetsk? How are elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth no skills going ton

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Hypnotoad666, @clifford brown, @Thoughts, @JR Ewing, @Chrisnonymous

    J.Ross, you must be a dunderhead. As Steve and JackD have pointed out over and over again, we have to go to war with Russia and fight to the last Ukrainian over Ukraine’s piecemeally-planned and irrationally-drawn borders in order to prove that borders aren’t defined by war. The alternative would be admitting any kind of legitimate power over borders other than the global elites/US foreign policy blob/EU bureaucrats, and that would lead to war. So, war is peace. Got it?

    Nevermind that DOS/UN rejection of citizenship referendums is basically the same as EU rejections of national border enforcement through national elections.

    Just nevermind. Remember, war is peace, and “we have tools” is democracy.

  59. @Thulean Friend
    Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America - and most of Latinx America isn't even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn't happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.


    ---


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn't believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat's use of the word "integration" is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don't foresee a major shift.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @Coconuts, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad

    Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America

    Just wait a few decades. The left wants to(a) destrpy and impoverish Russia and then (b) keep cooling the planet. Eventually, a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska will form…

  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    As a journalist, I'd say, vote for the accountant.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As a journalist, I’d say, vote for the accountant.

    If current and past accountants can’t account for popular outrage over demographic change and other things, how good at math are they really? ‘Responsibly’ shuffling money while allowing an African invasion is a good way to get black swanned.

    Mussolinis or Melonis would not be necessary if ‘accountants’ were accountable.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  61. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    Mussolini was sucessful at staying in power and giving friends and relations cushy jobs. Other than that he was pretty much a disaster as an actual leader. Spent a lot of money on the military that got siphoned off by corruption, wasted the budget on showy white elephants and tacky monuments rather than actually fixing infrastructure, drove a lot of Italy's best minds abroad, and engaged in some disastrous attempts to build an empire that led to his country being overrun and collapsing. Kind of reminds you of a recent Russian ruler.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No it doesn’t. Up until February of this year, there had been dramatic improvements in Russia on every social metric you could name – life expectancy at birth, total fertility rate, the homicide rate, real per capita product, the employment-to-population ratio. The country’s quanta of public sector debt and external debt were modest. Wage arrearages were now only a minor problem. The country was as affluent as it had ever been and as affluent vis a vis the United States as at any time in the last four generations. You would be hard put to find an era in Russian history when there was so much improvement in productive resources with so little injury to the broad public in the process.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Art Deco

    You should visit Russia sometime. Statistics are misleading. What happened under Putin is that Moscow and St Petersburg grew rich at the expense of the rest of the country. This is painfully obvious when you visit cities like Saratov or Krasnoyarsk. Declining living standards have been a fact of life since 2014, which is one reason why everyone in Russia pretty much shrugged their shoulders when the West announced „new“ sanctions. As far as economic growth is concerned a comparison between Putin and Mussolini is unfair to Mussolini. Private business continued to flourish under fascism. Rome never exerted the kind of centralized control that keeps strangling Russian entrepreneurs.

    At this point I thought the massive corruption and waste in the Russian military was painfully obvious to everyone.

    The last era of genuine sustained productive growth in Russia was 1880 to 1914. Since then growth has been financed by resource extraction or virtual slavery or both.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  62. @BB753
    @JimDandy

    Ask Corvinus and Art Deco.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JimDandy

    Ask me what?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Art Deco

    Why you voted for Biden ( allegedly).

    Replies: @Art Deco

  63. Nigerian tragic dirt?

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/company-insights/082316/worlds-top-10-oil-exporters.asp

    Top ten oil exporters.

    1. Saudi Arabia
    2. Russia
    3. United States
    4. Canada
    5. Iraq
    6. United Arab Emirates (UAE)
    7. Nigeria
    8. Kuwait
    9. Kazakhstan
    10. Norway

  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.
     
    They're not retards, they're cynical bastards.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @fish

    They’re not retards, they’re cynical bastards.

    Most of them were dead.

  65. @Hypnotoad666

    Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Trump already answered this: More from Norway and fewer from "shit-hole" countries like Haiti. But everyone had a freakout 'cause Orange Man said the truth. It's a shame pundits won't say the truth on Twitter. But what are ya gonna do. I guess they can hint and imply, and that's half the fun.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Jack P

    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Alfa158


    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.
     
    I guess that's why everyone who is on Twitter is either a leftist or a cuck. It's a sad state of affairs that that's what defines our national policy debate.

    Replies: @Forbes

  66. @Art Deco
    @BB753

    Ask me what?

    Replies: @BB753

    Why you voted for Biden ( allegedly).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @BB753

    I did not.

  67. @Dream
    Meanwhile in Iran.

    https://twitter.com/AlirezaNader/status/1574428497354842113?s=20&t=8_pb3lqo3NmnNQmWMCE0VQ

    Replies: @clifford brown, @J.Ross, @JimDandy, @Bill

    Three letter agent glow so bright, hey, this isn’t the yearsend bonfire jump!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    With a little tweaking that could be a haiku! Well done.

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    elderly illiterate thirdcaorlderscwoth
     
    Ai Cernyweg yw honno?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Níl fhios agam, wo~ bu! dao! (.) You write normie-accessible stuff, relvy stuff, it’s modsville; you take the advice of Mork in his frist HBO special, and it goes right through. Sellping truly is the most thoroughly useless skill.

  69. @Art Deco
    @Peter Akuleyev

    No it doesn't. Up until February of this year, there had been dramatic improvements in Russia on every social metric you could name - life expectancy at birth, total fertility rate, the homicide rate, real per capita product, the employment-to-population ratio. The country's quanta of public sector debt and external debt were modest. Wage arrearages were now only a minor problem. The country was as affluent as it had ever been and as affluent vis a vis the United States as at any time in the last four generations. You would be hard put to find an era in Russian history when there was so much improvement in productive resources with so little injury to the broad public in the process.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    You should visit Russia sometime. Statistics are misleading. What happened under Putin is that Moscow and St Petersburg grew rich at the expense of the rest of the country. This is painfully obvious when you visit cities like Saratov or Krasnoyarsk. Declining living standards have been a fact of life since 2014, which is one reason why everyone in Russia pretty much shrugged their shoulders when the West announced „new“ sanctions. As far as economic growth is concerned a comparison between Putin and Mussolini is unfair to Mussolini. Private business continued to flourish under fascism. Rome never exerted the kind of centralized control that keeps strangling Russian entrepreneurs.

    At this point I thought the massive corruption and waste in the Russian military was painfully obvious to everyone.

    The last era of genuine sustained productive growth in Russia was 1880 to 1914. Since then growth has been financed by resource extraction or virtual slavery or both.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What happened under Putin is that Moscow and St Petersburg grew rich at the expense of the rest of the country.

    We've been over this in the past and it is untrue.

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @Thoughts

    I've talked often about how Israel isn't particularly worked up over Russia invading Ukraine.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Israel wins either way, and it’s a good chance to test their tech.

  71. “everybody in Nigeria has a civil right to relocate to a beautiful Italian city” By bringing up Nigerians I think you fall into the trap that politically mass immigration is fueled by Europeans not Nigerians. It is not a hand full of globalist do gooders, it is public school teachers, police, real estate owners, ect

    Alternatively does everyone who owns property in Italy have a right to renters? Propelling the immigration politically is that Europe is overrun with old decrepit real estate that serviced obsolete industries.

    At the same time public servants were having trouble finding a public to serve as wither Europeans were not having children or those children had no trouble acquiring language and social skills from their European parents. The children of Nigerians ect could fill in quite well for the lack of Europeans.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @George

    Yes, it's the fault of the all-powerful, malicious school teachers.

  72. @Alfa158
    @Hypnotoad666

    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.

    I guess that’s why everyone who is on Twitter is either a leftist or a cuck. It’s a sad state of affairs that that’s what defines our national policy debate.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Hypnotoad666

    Ignoring social media is a possibility. Though, poking fun at it is more likely because lefties and cucks make great targets...

  73. @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    Ask the tens of millions of white retards who voted for Biden.
     
    They're not retards, they're cynical bastards.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @fish

    No….they’re retards.

  74. Per this recent report, Nigeria (one of Africa’s largest oil producers) can’t keep their oil from being stolen. Amweicans have no room to brag: We “lose” tens of billions of dollars of COVID relief. “Security” and control mechanisms, they’ve never been less important, apparently.

    https://www.offshore-technology.com/news/nigerian-oil-exports-at-their-lowest-level-in-25-years-due-to-oil-theft/

  75. I am confused by that last line. Doesn’t Nigeria have rather large oil reserves? Isn’t that why we were all supposed to boycott Shell and be angry at Carol Moseley Braun for taking Shell money because Shell was complicit in the judicial murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa?

    Mr Collins I am sure would be happy to tell us all that he would like more of the vibrantly diverse and less of the bitterly clingy deplorable and so on. Yes. Naked hypocrisy. Old soul song reminds us there’s no one blinder than him who just won’t see. Lot of that.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Narf Hartley

    He’s being sarcastic. Steve isn’t a naturally funny person so his work is full of tonal misfires like this. Actually that’s not fair Steve’s manic depressive disorder makes it hard to tell if he’s being laconically ironic or making overeager mistakes- like when he says UF negotiated with the seminoles for their mascot IP . (As a naturally funny person I tweaked him nicely for that.)

    Steve’s been trying to chase that high he got from dunking on Andrew Sullivan for the past two weeks with uneven results.

    Replies: @Polistra

  76. @Hypnotoad666
    @Alfa158


    Telling the truth on Twitter gets you kicked off Twitter.
     
    I guess that's why everyone who is on Twitter is either a leftist or a cuck. It's a sad state of affairs that that's what defines our national policy debate.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Ignoring social media is a possibility. Though, poking fun at it is more likely because lefties and cucks make great targets…

  77. @Anonymous
    Tangentially related, new UK PM Liz Truss has hinted that her Conservative government will 'relax' immigration controls in order to 'boost economic growth', (where have I heard that one before?, apparently you can't have enough Deliveroo or JustEat moped drivers).
    'Super intelligent' ethnically Ghanaian chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng has just succeeded in blowing up the UK economy in his first proper day in the job and has set up dollar/sterling parity for the first time in economic history, since the time the fledgling republic adopted the dollar, in fact.
    Liz Truss has also hinted on 'free movement' with India - a nation of north of 1.5 billion people, and growing, extreme poverty, enormous unemployment and graduate over production.
    Yet it is plainly obvious that just about the only glue which binds Conservative party members and voters together is hostility to third world immigration. Hell, if offered a choice between a hypothetical zero immigration Corbin style government and 'free movement' with India, they would vote for Corbin in a heartbeat.

    What was Brexit all about again?

    Replies: @epebble

    What was Brexit all about again?

    Replacing integration with EU with integration with the Commonwealth.

  78. @Dream
    Meanwhile in Iran.

    https://twitter.com/AlirezaNader/status/1574428497354842113?s=20&t=8_pb3lqo3NmnNQmWMCE0VQ

    Replies: @clifford brown, @J.Ross, @JimDandy, @Bill

    Meanwhile, back in Italy:

    WorldChristian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @JimDandy


    Christian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.
     

    Thanks, CSM! As time progresses, we'll be able to replace "Italy" with virtually every other country on earth. Except for Africa, of course. They sure don't want to stay there. Maybe Japan and China will be spared.

    Four billion of them. That could really wreck your neighborhood.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  79. Between “conservative” pundits who gently push the envelope of acceptable discourse using code words and “dog whistles,” and woke gatekeepers who employ “irony” and “snark” as their main (only) rhetorical methods, I honestly can’t tell who’s saying what anymore.

    This exchange is an example. Other than the clues that Douthat is a conservative circus geek, and the other guy is some kinda journo, this exchange is as opaque to me as a mediaeval public debate over realism vs. nominalism, or those Chinese immortality through alchemy texts (“Let the Red Dragon fly over the silver egg.”)

    Maybe a better example is someone in Stalin’s inner circle trying to ingratiate himself by telling a joke, but really slowly as he tries to gauge how far he can go without setting someone off.

    • Agree: Sam Malone
  80. @BB753
    @Art Deco

    Why you voted for Biden ( allegedly).

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I did not.

    • Thanks: BB753
  81. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Art Deco

    You should visit Russia sometime. Statistics are misleading. What happened under Putin is that Moscow and St Petersburg grew rich at the expense of the rest of the country. This is painfully obvious when you visit cities like Saratov or Krasnoyarsk. Declining living standards have been a fact of life since 2014, which is one reason why everyone in Russia pretty much shrugged their shoulders when the West announced „new“ sanctions. As far as economic growth is concerned a comparison between Putin and Mussolini is unfair to Mussolini. Private business continued to flourish under fascism. Rome never exerted the kind of centralized control that keeps strangling Russian entrepreneurs.

    At this point I thought the massive corruption and waste in the Russian military was painfully obvious to everyone.

    The last era of genuine sustained productive growth in Russia was 1880 to 1914. Since then growth has been financed by resource extraction or virtual slavery or both.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What happened under Putin is that Moscow and St Petersburg grew rich at the expense of the rest of the country.

    We’ve been over this in the past and it is untrue.

  82. @JimDandy
    @Reg Cæsar

    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

    They think they’ll stay on top of the new population. It’s just a different flavor of white supremacism. Like when Obama called Ugandans “odious”.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, I do see that in the almost-upper Middle Class white burbs (and, of course, the... whites who really will stay on top of the new population). But I think a lot of the people you are talking about are retarded/delusional/caught in the mass psychosis as they stick to their guns even when there is so much Dem nonsense directly hurting their lives right now.

  83. @Hypnotoad666

    Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Trump already answered this: More from Norway and fewer from "shit-hole" countries like Haiti. But everyone had a freakout 'cause Orange Man said the truth. It's a shame pundits won't say the truth on Twitter. But what are ya gonna do. I guess they can hint and imply, and that's half the fun.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Jack P

    Funny thing is Douthat was as benign as possible with what he said. It’s not like he endorsed Europe expelling all the dark people. That media stooge was so triggered though. We need more triggering like that.

  84. I didn’t read Douthat’s comment as being anywhere near good enough to get that reaction. It seemed like the typical empty, bland, zero-iq cucking that made Douthat not famous.

  85. @Reg Cæsar
    @JimDandy


    How so? Cynical=masochistic/suicidal?

     

    They think they'll stay on top of the new population. It's just a different flavor of white supremacism. Like when Obama called Ugandans "odious".

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, I do see that in the almost-upper Middle Class white burbs (and, of course, the… whites who really will stay on top of the new population). But I think a lot of the people you are talking about are retarded/delusional/caught in the mass psychosis as they stick to their guns even when there is so much Dem nonsense directly hurting their lives right now.

  86. @Thulean Friend
    Europe has more precarious geography than the US. Other than Latinx America, there is no landbridge from the Third World to America - and most of Latinx America isn't even Third World except perhaps Guatemala and a few other impoverished hotspots.

    Yes, it is true that you will sometimes find people from India trying to cross the border with Mexico but anyone who can afford such a long trip from India is likely fairly well-off and enterprising. The amount of effort it takes to get to Europe is much lower, which de-selects for wealth and effort, and consequently the average Third World migrant in Europe is much lower (and also closer to their actual mean)

    Moreover, Putin and his buddy Lukashenko have begun to let Africans fly into their countries in order to get to the eastern border with Baltics + Poland. Something that wasn't happening before. Typically the main crossings were from Turkey and/or the boat routes to Spain and Italy.


    ---


    Yet, job vacancies are at all-time highs in Europe. Unemployment has stayed low. You shouldn't believe the doomer theories about an imminent collapse.

    This presents a challenge to traditional critiques of migration, namely that jobs should go to natives first. Well, the natives are now employed at near full capacity except in a few perpetual stragglers like Greece or Spain. And employers are screaming for workers, as birth rates are collapsing.

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Douthat's use of the word "integration" is more of the same old stuff, since integration is often used in an economic context of getting a job.

    Until and unless this pattern changes, I don't foresee a major shift.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @Coconuts, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad

    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity, but this is something conservatives have traditionally shied away from precisely because they fear being called racist by people like that guy in the Twitter thread.

    Standing up to these Jewish/fellow-traveler sociopaths who demand that every historic white gentile nation must be immivaded and destroyed is the only essential task.

    Yes, people are entitled to keep themselves, their communities, culture–their nation–intact.

    Not only entitled it is their essential duty. And a duty worth killing those who try and stop that–ergo are trying to kill your people and nation.

    • Agree: Richard B
  87. @Dream
    Meanwhile in Iran.

    https://twitter.com/AlirezaNader/status/1574428497354842113?s=20&t=8_pb3lqo3NmnNQmWMCE0VQ

    Replies: @clifford brown, @J.Ross, @JimDandy, @Bill

    Have they started throwing babies out of incubators yet?

  88. @AnotherDad

    The path for forward for parties of the center-left in Europe begins with an acknowledgment that the challenges of collapsed birthrates + migrant integration ARE the central challenges of 21st century Europe, not far-right distractions that will vanish in some restored normalcy.
     
    This in itself is cucky. Yeah, there's an integration problem, but the much bigger issues--orders of magnitude bigger--is just stopping the immavasion. Now, of course, it is an absolutely trivial problem to fix--enforce your border. But Europe--and American, the Anglosphere--seems unable to do it.

    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    Douthat actually didn't even have the minimal cojones to say that.

    But this Ben Collins twerp is apparently a minoritarian "bad think" sniffer so he can tell.

    But here this is actually useful. And if Douthat can not actually answer this sort of minoritarian--and logically, mathematically exterminationist--garbage with a clear forcefully burst of affirmative clarity then Douthat should stop pretending to be any sort of "conservative" and just bend over and take what the special people have in mind for us.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bill

    just bend over and take what the special people have in mind for us.

    That’s Douthat’s role, yes.

  89. @Maciano
    Steve,

    I agree with Douthat here.

    This new Meloni woman might be catnip to rightwing blogs, but talking about gender issues is simply an distraction. This stuff _isn't_ a real problem for Italy. This is anglophone hysteria. It just isn't a problem there.

    Italy has deep economic issues. It'd be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I'm not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi or Thatcher to get their country back on track. Italy is in real risk of becoming hopeless, stuff we've seen in Greece.

    But Italy isn't hopeless. Italy shouldn't be expected to perform like Denmark or Germany, but it's nothing like Portugal, Greece or even Spain, either! Italy is one of Europe's most important industrial states and should aim to be somewhere between Belgium, Poland & France in performance. Italy just needs good leaders and stable policy for once.

    Not the five clowns movement, the populist right or the Putin right. Italy needs Republicans.

    Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad

    Italy has deep economic issues. It’d be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I’m not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi ….

    Homo economicus.

    Economics must be dealt with. A problem made harder because the euro fixes them in competition with Germany.

    But Italy has low fertility, is in fully and accelerating native population decline–just with mostly the people born in the 30s dying off.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy#Vital_statistics

    And has this huge bunch of Italians born in the 60s boom queued up to retire in the next 10-15 years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

    Italy’s population can slump and recover to a steady state at a lower number. A half a million Italians born a year would be a steady state 40m. (It’s already down to 400k babies/year.) But it absolutely can not allow immigrants in while this is happening or in a few decades it simply ceases to exist.

    Say your economic fantasy leader–who does not actually exist–gets the Italian economy humming for a decade or two … but then 30 years out the new “replacement people” are the “citizens” and “workers” coming on line. You’re accomplished precisely … nothing. And Italy is gone.

    No.
    Job #1 — stop immivasion; and deport the migrants there
    Job #2 — affordable family formation, incentives, Italian pride–everything you can think of–to get the Italian birthrate of the 20 and 30 somethings back up

    Just doing #1 and #2 competently would be hugely economically beneficial.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @AnotherDad


    Economics must be dealt with. A problem made harder because the euro fixes them in competition with Germany.
     
    Real money men (after reaping my modest COVID asset bubble windfall I am much more into following the financial news these days than politics) say that fears of Europeans freezing this winter thanks to the Russian gas shut-off are overblown and unlikely to materialize unless there is an exceptionally cold winter. Yet the world economy is cracking and starting to crater because of it. National governments in Europe are subsidizing the insane rise in energy for individual citizens (don’t want riots in the streets) and, to a lesser extent, businesses. Sovereign debtors (i.e. governments) can print a lot of the money they spend but the extent of that is not infinite. The British pound got hammered yesterday, falling to an all-time low against the dollar. The dollar is in fact crushing every currency in the world (Euro, yen, yuan) but that is a double-edged sword for the world’s imperial hegemon. US government treasuries are plummeting, likely a result of foreign governments selling their treasury reserves to protect their own currencies, with blockback effects like the US 30 year mortgage rate breaking the 7% mark today! Hold on to your hat-skys, things are about to get interesting.
  90. I know Mr. Sailer seems to be exaggerating, but I think he is right, not only about “champagne liberals” but about an awful lot of well-meaning Christian men and women — but probably mostly women. The notion that they are white and born to “privilege” while others elsewhere are not strikes them as a monstrous injustice, which must be corrected as soon as possible. Viva Giorgia !

  91. @Narf Hartley
    I am confused by that last line. Doesn't Nigeria have rather large oil reserves? Isn't that why we were all supposed to boycott Shell and be angry at Carol Moseley Braun for taking Shell money because Shell was complicit in the judicial murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa?

    Mr Collins I am sure would be happy to tell us all that he would like more of the vibrantly diverse and less of the bitterly clingy deplorable and so on. Yes. Naked hypocrisy. Old soul song reminds us there's no one blinder than him who just won't see. Lot of that.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    He’s being sarcastic. Steve isn’t a naturally funny person so his work is full of tonal misfires like this. Actually that’s not fair Steve’s manic depressive disorder makes it hard to tell if he’s being laconically ironic or making overeager mistakes- like when he says UF negotiated with the seminoles for their mascot IP . (As a naturally funny person I tweaked him nicely for that.)

    Steve’s been trying to chase that high he got from dunking on Andrew Sullivan for the past two weeks with uneven results.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Matt Buckalew


    As a naturally funny person
     
    The only times you've ever been funny are by accident, as here.
  92. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    So you're saying we need MORE of some people and FEWER of other people? Would you like to be more explicit about the exact people you want MORE of and FEWER of?
     
    I don't know whether this guy Collins is Jewish or just a fellow traveler. "Collins" sure sounds Anglo or Irish, but name stealing nonsense is common.) Whichever he certainly got the aggressive but empty, argumentative vibe down right.

    But whatever he is, some Twitter conservatives need to challenge him as an open exterminationist. This is not complicated. If a nation--say Italy has sub-replacement fertility but allows immigrants in, then that will simply be the end of the Italian people and ergo Italy. There may be a place on the map people refer to as "Italy" with some people in it, but it will not be Italy in any meaningful way.

    Douthat is calling--weakly as he doesn't even say "immigration stop"--for Italians to survive. Collins is calling for them to be invaded and cease to exist as a people and nation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Brutusale, @Malcolm X-Lax

    He’s even more jewish than Ben Smith and Matt Yglesias.

  93. @George
    "everybody in Nigeria has a civil right to relocate to a beautiful Italian city" By bringing up Nigerians I think you fall into the trap that politically mass immigration is fueled by Europeans not Nigerians. It is not a hand full of globalist do gooders, it is public school teachers, police, real estate owners, ect

    Alternatively does everyone who owns property in Italy have a right to renters? Propelling the immigration politically is that Europe is overrun with old decrepit real estate that serviced obsolete industries.

    At the same time public servants were having trouble finding a public to serve as wither Europeans were not having children or those children had no trouble acquiring language and social skills from their European parents. The children of Nigerians ect could fill in quite well for the lack of Europeans.

    Replies: @Bill

    Yes, it’s the fault of the all-powerful, malicious school teachers.

  94. @BB753
    @JimDandy

    Ask Corvinus and Art Deco.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JimDandy

    What, you should have a problem with an all-Zionist cabinet?

  95. @AnotherDad
    @Maciano


    Italy has deep economic issues. It’d be a cuck take for the US, Sweden or Germany to talk abt economics only, but for Italy economic issues really are the most pressing issue. Like really pressing. As a European I’m not happy at all, they kicked out a competent leader like Draghi in favour of some MILFy shrew who wants to do a Trump in spaghettiland. Italy needs a leader like Draghi ....
     
    Homo economicus.

    Economics must be dealt with. A problem made harder because the euro fixes them in competition with Germany.

    But Italy has low fertility, is in fully and accelerating native population decline--just with mostly the people born in the 30s dying off.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy#Vital_statistics

    And has this huge bunch of Italians born in the 60s boom queued up to retire in the next 10-15 years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

    Italy's population can slump and recover to a steady state at a lower number. A half a million Italians born a year would be a steady state 40m. (It's already down to 400k babies/year.) But it absolutely can not allow immigrants in while this is happening or in a few decades it simply ceases to exist.

    Say your economic fantasy leader--who does not actually exist--gets the Italian economy humming for a decade or two ... but then 30 years out the new "replacement people" are the "citizens" and "workers" coming on line. You're accomplished precisely ... nothing. And Italy is gone.

    No.
    Job #1 -- stop immivasion; and deport the migrants there
    Job #2 -- affordable family formation, incentives, Italian pride--everything you can think of--to get the Italian birthrate of the 20 and 30 somethings back up

    Just doing #1 and #2 competently would be hugely economically beneficial.

    Replies: @Abe

    Economics must be dealt with. A problem made harder because the euro fixes them in competition with Germany.

    Real money men (after reaping my modest COVID asset bubble windfall I am much more into following the financial news these days than politics) say that fears of Europeans freezing this winter thanks to the Russian gas shut-off are overblown and unlikely to materialize unless there is an exceptionally cold winter. Yet the world economy is cracking and starting to crater because of it. National governments in Europe are subsidizing the insane rise in energy for individual citizens (don’t want riots in the streets) and, to a lesser extent, businesses. Sovereign debtors (i.e. governments) can print a lot of the money they spend but the extent of that is not infinite. The British pound got hammered yesterday, falling to an all-time low against the dollar. The dollar is in fact crushing every currency in the world (Euro, yen, yuan) but that is a double-edged sword for the world’s imperial hegemon. US government treasuries are plummeting, likely a result of foreign governments selling their treasury reserves to protect their own currencies, with blockback effects like the US 30 year mortgage rate breaking the 7% mark today! Hold on to your hat-skys, things are about to get interesting.

  96. @Steve Sailer
    @tyrone

    Peru has a lot of ancient ruins. I speculated that the population was higher in the past because of the extraordinary terracing the ancients did of mountainsides to grow more potatoes.

    Replies: @tyrone

    And the quality of the stone work is a real head scratcher

  97. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Mea culpa. Just saw Steve's tweet making this point.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Steve gets a pass as a controlled opposition racist

  98. while the Nigerians get stuck with the Tragic Dirt without any oil or gas?

    Perhaps iSteve here was simply being ironic. That can get lost in translation sometimes.

    Nigeria has plenty of oil & gas. Just look at the Swiss bank accounts the ruling elites and military generals all have.

    Far more than Italy has. Italy has very little O&G, a bit of coal, and pipelines from Libya for the rest.

    But since mineral rights in Nigeria are State owned, you can imagine how much (or little) trickles down to the migrant boat people class.

  99. Nigeria has a serious problem with people punching holes in pipelines to steal the product.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Jim Don Bob

    Fortunately they have a never-ending supply of one thing: Nigerians, which they generously supply to the rest of the world.


    A UK man who stole $470,000 from Virginia Commonwealth University in an email scam pleaded guilty Wednesday to wire fraud after he tricked university officials into wiring him money by impersonating a construction contractor.

    Olabanji Egbinola, 43, is a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and had to be extradited from London to face charges in the United States.

    Egbinola impersonated a construction company — Kjellstrom Lee — that frequently provided services to the university, requesting that they change their method of paying outstanding bills. He provided them an account number that funneled the cash to Los Angeles, where it was quickly laundered through a number of local clothing retailers.

    “Very little of that money was recovered,” the Department of Justice wrote following Egbinola’s guilty plea.

    Egbinola could face up to 20 years in prison for the charge of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, though his sentence is likely to be much shorter. When his sentence is complete, however, a judicial order will ensure that he’s promptly deported to London.

    However, the L.A. businessman who ran the account the money was funneled through is still facing pending charges of money laundering.

    Hakhyun Chun is the proprietor of EDHD Inc, and told prosecutors that he allowed the ill-gotten money to be deposited in his account because “two white men,” for whom he claimed to have no names or contact information, offered it to him as an “investment” to pay off his and his son’s extensive debts.

    https://www.kcbd.com/2022/08/10/three-nigerian-nationals-extradited-us-fraud-schemes/


     

    Did you catch that last bit? The real culprits are the two invisible white men, who don't actually exist. Can't blame the guy for trying, right? It's worked before.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  100. “… it’s undemocratic for Italian voters to have any say in who gets into Italy.”

    I think you’re right, but this sentence can be generalized as follows:

    ‘… it’s undemocratic for Italian voters to have any say in who gets into Italy.”

    More and more, the elites are chafing at the restrictions placed on them by constitutions, ordinary social norms and history. The simplest solution is to do away with all three, and they are doing that.

  101. @JR Ewing
    @J.Ross


    We are racing to depression and possibly wider war, voluntarily: why?
     
    Because the biggest fear of practically every American is being called "insensitive" or, even worse, "racist" and the biggest aspiration of practically every journalist is to get to call another person "insensitive" or, even better, "racist".

    So the establishment has its own priorities and incentives - whatever increases its own power and wealth - and it coaches the media that any opposition thereto is obviously just due to insensitive and racist people.

    And the media runs with it and actively enforces the bounds of polite conversation and most normal people fall in line due to that primal fear... and the establishment gets to pursue its priorities - wealth and power - without any significant opposition.

    The establishment doesn't care about a depression - they're still going to get richer anyway - and they don't care about a war because they're not going to die and they'll probably be even more powerful once it happens.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Because the biggest fear of practically every American is being called “insensitive” or, even worse, “racist” and the biggest aspiration of practically every journalist is to get to call another person “insensitive” or, even better, “racist”.

    As Charles Peguy wrote “It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been committed for fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.”

  102. @J.Ross
    @Dream

    Three letter agent glow so bright, hey, this isn't the yearsend bonfire jump!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    With a little tweaking that could be a haiku! Well done.

  103. @Coconuts
    @Thulean Friend


    The only way to square this circle is to shift away from arguments based on economics and towards national identity...
     
    Perhaps they would need to define the nation in more Aristotelian terms: as a body of families sharing a common life in order to perpetuate themselves from generation to generation, something like that.

    Then the successful preservation and reproduction of the original founding body of families over time can become a relevant political question.

    Instead, if you see nations as aggregations of free and equal individuals, you get the situation where the government just needs to operate to ensure that a given portion of territory has a stable population of individuals over time and maintains a particular level of economic output.

    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Mark G.

    Given that in this view the nations of the world are just full of individuals, they can be brought from anywhere to maintain the output and population level if their number in a particular territorial unit is dropping for some reason, and there is a surplus somewhere else.

    You would need to make sure the immigrants are productive enough that they pay more in taxes than they and their families receive in government benefits. This is mostly not the case now in Europe and the United States.

    I mostly agree with Meloni but like most politicians her political beliefs are a mixed bag. She has said women have a right to choose not to work while raising children. This means the government would have to tax people to support non-working women and their children. This may be the thinking of an “autistic libertarian”, but I think being pro-family means people should be able to keep the money they earn to support their own family and not have it taxed away and given to others.

  104. Italy and Europe need more of their own native white people and fewer dark skinned invaders.

  105. @JimDandy
    @Dream

    Meanwhile, back in Italy:

    WorldChristian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Christian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.

    Thanks, CSM! As time progresses, we’ll be able to replace “Italy” with virtually every other country on earth. Except for Africa, of course. They sure don’t want to stay there. Maybe Japan and China will be spared.

    Four billion of them. That could really wreck your neighborhood.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Polistra

    Africa can supply enough people to turn every European country as black as Haiti, and there'd still be plenty of them left over back in Africa. I wish more people would notice that diversity isn't very diverse.

  106. @Matt Buckalew
    @Narf Hartley

    He’s being sarcastic. Steve isn’t a naturally funny person so his work is full of tonal misfires like this. Actually that’s not fair Steve’s manic depressive disorder makes it hard to tell if he’s being laconically ironic or making overeager mistakes- like when he says UF negotiated with the seminoles for their mascot IP . (As a naturally funny person I tweaked him nicely for that.)

    Steve’s been trying to chase that high he got from dunking on Andrew Sullivan for the past two weeks with uneven results.

    Replies: @Polistra

    As a naturally funny person

    The only times you’ve ever been funny are by accident, as here.

  107. @Jim Don Bob
    Nigeria has a serious problem with people punching holes in pipelines to steal the product.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Fortunately they have a never-ending supply of one thing: Nigerians, which they generously supply to the rest of the world.

    [MORE]

    A UK man who stole $470,000 from Virginia Commonwealth University in an email scam pleaded guilty Wednesday to wire fraud after he tricked university officials into wiring him money by impersonating a construction contractor.

    Olabanji Egbinola, 43, is a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and had to be extradited from London to face charges in the United States.

    Egbinola impersonated a construction company — Kjellstrom Lee — that frequently provided services to the university, requesting that they change their method of paying outstanding bills. He provided them an account number that funneled the cash to Los Angeles, where it was quickly laundered through a number of local clothing retailers.

    “Very little of that money was recovered,” the Department of Justice wrote following Egbinola’s guilty plea.

    Egbinola could face up to 20 years in prison for the charge of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, though his sentence is likely to be much shorter. When his sentence is complete, however, a judicial order will ensure that he’s promptly deported to London.

    However, the L.A. businessman who ran the account the money was funneled through is still facing pending charges of money laundering.

    Hakhyun Chun is the proprietor of EDHD Inc, and told prosecutors that he allowed the ill-gotten money to be deposited in his account because “two white men,” for whom he claimed to have no names or contact information, offered it to him as an “investment” to pay off his and his son’s extensive debts.

    https://www.kcbd.com/2022/08/10/three-nigerian-nationals-extradited-us-fraud-schemes/

    Did you catch that last bit? The real culprits are the two invisible white men, who don’t actually exist. Can’t blame the guy for trying, right? It’s worked before.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Polistra


    A UK man...
     
    Right there and then I could tell a) that this wasn't a real UK man and b) that the story wasn't going to reflect well on him. "UK man" robs somebody blind, but "Nigerian" wins Nobel Prize.

    Replies: @Polistra

  108. @Polistra
    @JimDandy


    Christian Science Monitor

    They are Black. They are Italians. And they are changing their country.
    It’s not easy for Black Italians to grow up feeling Italian when significant portions of Italy treat them as outsiders. But legally, artistically, and socially, Black Italians are staking their claim to Italy.
     

    Thanks, CSM! As time progresses, we'll be able to replace "Italy" with virtually every other country on earth. Except for Africa, of course. They sure don't want to stay there. Maybe Japan and China will be spared.

    Four billion of them. That could really wreck your neighborhood.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Africa can supply enough people to turn every European country as black as Haiti, and there’d still be plenty of them left over back in Africa. I wish more people would notice that diversity isn’t very diverse.

    • Agree: Polistra
  109. @Polistra
    @Jim Don Bob

    Fortunately they have a never-ending supply of one thing: Nigerians, which they generously supply to the rest of the world.


    A UK man who stole $470,000 from Virginia Commonwealth University in an email scam pleaded guilty Wednesday to wire fraud after he tricked university officials into wiring him money by impersonating a construction contractor.

    Olabanji Egbinola, 43, is a dual citizen of the United Kingdom and Nigeria, and had to be extradited from London to face charges in the United States.

    Egbinola impersonated a construction company — Kjellstrom Lee — that frequently provided services to the university, requesting that they change their method of paying outstanding bills. He provided them an account number that funneled the cash to Los Angeles, where it was quickly laundered through a number of local clothing retailers.

    “Very little of that money was recovered,” the Department of Justice wrote following Egbinola’s guilty plea.

    Egbinola could face up to 20 years in prison for the charge of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, though his sentence is likely to be much shorter. When his sentence is complete, however, a judicial order will ensure that he’s promptly deported to London.

    However, the L.A. businessman who ran the account the money was funneled through is still facing pending charges of money laundering.

    Hakhyun Chun is the proprietor of EDHD Inc, and told prosecutors that he allowed the ill-gotten money to be deposited in his account because “two white men,” for whom he claimed to have no names or contact information, offered it to him as an “investment” to pay off his and his son’s extensive debts.

    https://www.kcbd.com/2022/08/10/three-nigerian-nationals-extradited-us-fraud-schemes/


     

    Did you catch that last bit? The real culprits are the two invisible white men, who don't actually exist. Can't blame the guy for trying, right? It's worked before.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    A UK man…

    Right there and then I could tell a) that this wasn’t a real UK man and b) that the story wasn’t going to reflect well on him. “UK man” robs somebody blind, but “Nigerian” wins Nobel Prize.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Rob McX

    What's that? You don't remember the original Olabanji Egbinola? He was one of the last Saxon kings, right between Canute and Harold I believe.

  110. @Rob McX
    @Polistra


    A UK man...
     
    Right there and then I could tell a) that this wasn't a real UK man and b) that the story wasn't going to reflect well on him. "UK man" robs somebody blind, but "Nigerian" wins Nobel Prize.

    Replies: @Polistra

    What’s that? You don’t remember the original Olabanji Egbinola? He was one of the last Saxon kings, right between Canute and Harold I believe.

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