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Snopes Issues Pre-Approval Of All Statements Made During Tonight’s Democratic Debate

U.S.—With the Democratic primary debates in full swing, many fact-checking websites are preparing to review candidates’ statements for accuracy. Thankfully, Snopes, the most unbiased fact-checking website ever, has found a way to expedite their evaluation process.

Since their original founding in 1957 by the KGB, Snopes has gained a reputation for objectively reporting what someone’s secret motivations probably were, and what they probably really meant when they said something. More recently, they have perfected the art of determining whether a satirical article is hilarious, left-leaning comedy or divisive, conservative-leaning fake news.

As part of their ongoing goal of being able to rush to judgment as quickly as possible, Snopes published a pre-approval of all future statements made by candidates during the Democratic debates.

“While we understand there may be some disagreements among progressive candidates on certain issues, we know that nobody who shares our worldview would ever say anything factually untrue,” Snopes explains in their article.

 
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  1. Andrew Yang — the only candidate I’d consider voting for in a million years, with the possible exception of my ultimate dream woman Tulsi Gabbard — ROCKED his opening statement

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Sam Patch

    Yang is an idiot but well spoken. Trump is sensible and well informed but doesn't care about precision in speech. As a result Yamg routinely says things that are alarmingly ignorant, but is almost never called out on it (though I think his economic illiteracy is widely understood), whereas Trump is always in trouble for non-offenses.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Sam Patch

  2. – Sports-event-like candidate introductions with them walking out like boxers (groan)

    – National anthem (why?)

    – Organized hecklers (possibly chanting “Black Lives Matter;” disrupted Booker)

    – Lots of canned applause again

    – Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Hail

    " Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength."

    Oh no he di'int .

    , @ziggurat
    @Hail


    Hail says:
    – Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.
     
    Did he get any push back from the other candidates?

    I would love to have the power of putting words into the mouths of candidates. Perhaps, I'd make one of them say:

    No, whiteness is our strength. Our country was nearly 90% white, when we overcame the Great Depression, built a great middle class, won WWII, and put a man on the moon. That's why I believe we should reinstate the "Immigration Act of 1924".

     

    The whole auditorium would be stunned in silence for a few, seemingly interminable seconds. And subsequently the whole internet would melt down.

    Replies: @Hail, @JackOH

  3. Cory Booker should pull off his own Kamala Harris moment tonight:

    “Senator Biden, I’m not saying you’re a racist, but why are there no videos of you feeling up black girls?”

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @40 Acres and a Kardashian

    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Father O'Hara
    @40 Acres and a Kardashian

    In fact there is a video of joe kissing a young black woman who had graduated from Morgan State U.

  4. I’m feeling a dark, sinister energy….

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @The Z Blog

    With any luck, Williamson breaks out her Jedi tricks at the next debate and chokes out Jake Tapper with her mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKu7TYWNxqA

  5. through demographics these freaking idiots will be in charge soon

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @explorer

    Always a silver lining though. IAO now has AOC on her side!


    AOC says Palestinians 'have no choice but to riot' against Israel as she agrees with radio host that the country is 'criminal'


     

    Replies: @Corn

  6. Forgot there was a debate tonight. Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared. Turned that off to read Unz. Will not watch a Democrat debate until I see Once Upon a Time…

    Not sure what the chances are, but it could happen.

    Sorry I missed Marianne Williamson last night. She’s my choice.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared.

    Do we have in common an unwillingness to watch the airhead Dana Perino? I can't send her dumb face, her dumb voice, and her dumb opinions.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there's enough there to hold one's interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    FOX News often consists of FOX News personalities talking to other FOX News personalities. Why is this considered news? Or remotely interesting? I wonder if their contracts require that they get a certain number of prime-time hours of exposure, so if they're not on Hannity, they go on Tucker, or whatever. They never have anything interesting to say. It's just filler for the old people who have FOX on while they check their blood-sugar.

    I agree about Perino. I can't stand her. She's pretty, but an airhead. And she was a Bush/Cheney flunky. She can always be relied upon for a Republican Party Establishment point of view, delivered without even the pretense of originality or novelty.

    Replies: @Jack D

  7. Booker: I was raised by two Civil Rights parents [sic].

    Kamala: I come from fighters. My parents met when they were active in the [slides into light “Black-preacher” accent] Civil Rights movement. My sister and I joke that we grew up surrounded by a bunch of adults who spent full-time marching and shouting. About [nodding head] this thing called ‘Justice.’

  8. It’s an audition to find America’s brothers Gracchi. The country is done, over, finished. Leave while you can.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @anonymous

    I don't think Google is going to donate to the campaign of a new Tiberius Gracchus any more than the Koch Brothers are likely to, so... no, not yet. The new Gracchi will come, to be sure. But not on the campaign stage for President.

    We're probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he's got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it'll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person. I suspect it won't come from the majority of the tech titans, though, because they simply profit too much from the current status quo. A particularly smart candidate might advocate restraints on the oligarchs mainly to stave off future social unrest, a la Marcus Livius Drusus, but that's not the same thing.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @PhysicistDave

  9. I will not deign to comment on the social silliness, but will talk about how the United States interacts with the rest of the world. Someone here once made the apt comment that Americans don’t do realpolitik well in foreign policy. The Right wants crusades, the Left wants morality plays. Real life geopolitics is seldom amenable to either approach. WWII being the exception to the rule does not help matters: the biggest single war in history looming on popular consciousness is often taken as normative by many, when in reality, it was anything but.

    Barack Obama and Donald Trump both ran as anti-interventionist candidates, and not least won because they got to contrast that against an inveterate interventionist member of the establishment-McCain and Clinton. But neither of them have proven consistently successful in keeping to that upon taking office. As a result, I’m skeptical that any of the anti-war signalling you see from the platform, when you see it, means all that much. The deep state is going to roll over anybody who doesn’t come into the White House with a very dedicated plan to demilitarize our state-as we should have done back in 1992-and retract an empire we increasingly can’t afford while our domestic infrastructure and society rots. It’s a prerequisite to getting the ship righted at home, realistically speaking, but they aren’t all that serious. It shows.

    For one thing, they are rushing to outdo each other in hostility to Vladimir Putin’s Russia, which unlike Iraq or Syria, can very much destroy the world with us in a nuclear holocaust if things devolve into open conflict. There is constant talk about Russian intelligence threats, too, in the United States. That’s real. But almost completely ignored are Chinese or Israeli intelligence threats toward the United States, both of which, if anything, are even more egregious. There seems to be this great mental desire for Vladimir Putin to be our main problem in the world, a new Adolf Hitler figure who also serves as a convenient target for the increasing anti-white male obsession of the left-wing intelligentsia. But he’s just not. Even if Putin wanted to be (and I’m not sure he does-he’s far from a white nationalist, or even a hardcore Russian ethno-nationalist. And he is hostile to the US, sure, but a realistic Russian leader would be extremely dumb not to be after the last quarter century), he couldn’t be: the nuclear weapons obscure that his Russia is far more limited in its capabilities than the USSR was.

    The one candidate who I might take seriously on this is Gabbard, in part because of her background, in part because she’s relatively consistent on these kinds of stances (i.e, not whining about how Bolton wants WWIII with Iran-and I agree fully that Bolton does and is a real threat to American national interests-but simultaneously seeming to want just that with Russia), and in part she’s showing a spine on other issues: like taking on the tech robber barons that bankroll the DNC, and sticking up for Sanders in ’16 when the DNC wanted him silence. She could actually win an election, you know. In fairness, Yang does not seem terrible, either, but I don’t know enough him yet to comment, so I won’t.

    But I know the DNC well enough to know that they’ll shank her, precisely because of all of that. So The Donald’s political life will go on.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @nebulafox

    I don't how anyone here could vote for a Democrat for President even if the candidate were sane, they will bring boatloads of PC crazies with them into any Democratic administration, you have to know that at this point. You are not voting for them as individuals, but for the party and it's ideological troops, and those belonging to the Democrats are barking mad crazy.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @donut
    @nebulafox

    " WWII being the exception to the rule does not help matters" , nonsense .

  10. Hail says: • Website

    Castro: We need a put all undocumented immigrants, who haven’t committed a serious crime, on a pathway to citizenship!

    Michael Bennett: This is personal for me: My mom’s an immigrant and she was separated from her parents — during the Holocaust, in Poland. That is why I sponsored the Gang of Eight bill in 2013 with John McCain.

    Kamala Harris: [Illegal immigrant] children have not committed crimes! And should not be treated liked criminals! [CNN lays on raucous canned applause]

    More hecklers disrupt Biden as he says that illegally crossing the border should remain a crime. The CNN canned-applause machine was stone-silent for Biden on that one.

  11. @The Z Blog
    I'm feeling a dark, sinister energy....

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    With any luck, Williamson breaks out her Jedi tricks at the next debate and chokes out Jake Tapper with her mind.

  12. Hail says: • Website

    (In which Uncle Joe caves in:)

    Biden: We should significantly increase the number of legal immigrants who can come. This country can tolerate a heck of a lot more people.

    Biden: Immigrants built this country! That’s why we’re so special.

    Inslee: We can no longer allow a White Nationalist in the White House! [CNN lays on huge canned applause] [camera pan to Biden, who expresses enthusiastic agreement]

  13. @anonymous
    It's an audition to find America's brothers Gracchi. The country is done, over, finished. Leave while you can.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I don’t think Google is going to donate to the campaign of a new Tiberius Gracchus any more than the Koch Brothers are likely to, so… no, not yet. The new Gracchi will come, to be sure. But not on the campaign stage for President.

    We’re probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he’s got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it’ll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person. I suspect it won’t come from the majority of the tech titans, though, because they simply profit too much from the current status quo. A particularly smart candidate might advocate restraints on the oligarchs mainly to stave off future social unrest, a la Marcus Livius Drusus, but that’s not the same thing.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @nebulafox

    Anyone with ambitions to be the next Drusus will remember what happened to the last Drusus.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @PhysicistDave
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote:


    We’re probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he’s got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it’ll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person.
     
    I think it could be done; e.g. :

    I will return America to the working people of America -- the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors -- of all races and backgrounds. America will belong to the people again. And, I will crush the paper pushers and those who manipulate words and rules and regulations to destroy the lives of real people. And I mean it! This is war for America.
     
    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power -- the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy -- that they will destory him (they have come close to destroying the amiable Donald Trump) .... unless, I am afraid, he really does crush the system -- courts, legislatures, the free press, and all the rest.

    Which means the end of the Republic.

    Which is indeed what happened to Rome.

    I hope I am wrong and there is a soft landing, but, one way or another, this cannot continue.

    Replies: @bomag

  14. @Buzz Mohawk
    Forgot there was a debate tonight. Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared. Turned that off to read Unz. Will not watch a Democrat debate until I see Once Upon a Time...

    Not sure what the chances are, but it could happen.

    Sorry I missed Marianne Williamson last night. She's my choice.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared.

    Do we have in common an unwillingness to watch the airhead Dana Perino? I can’t send her dumb face, her dumb voice, and her dumb opinions.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Harry Baldwin

    To me, she's a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn't worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that's about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she's on "our" R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don't actually say anything.

    Replies: @donut, @TomSchmidt, @Autochthon, @Kyle

  15. Dem debate 4:

    As gently as I can put it:”CRUSH THE FUCKING SKULLS IN OF WORKING CLASS WHITE MALES!!!!!…ELIMINATE WHITE MALES FROM AMERICAN SOCIETY!!!!”

    Dem Debate 4

    WHITE GENOCIDE WRIT LARGE!!!!!….

    You have been warned

  16. @Sam Patch
    Andrew Yang — the only candidate I’d consider voting for in a million years, with the possible exception of my ultimate dream woman Tulsi Gabbard — ROCKED his opening statement

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yang is an idiot but well spoken. Trump is sensible and well informed but doesn’t care about precision in speech. As a result Yamg routinely says things that are alarmingly ignorant, but is almost never called out on it (though I think his economic illiteracy is widely understood), whereas Trump is always in trouble for non-offenses.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @J.Ross

    For some reason, people assume Yang is good with numbers.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Sam Patch
    @J.Ross

    Somehow just saw this. Trump is “well informed”?!? I assume you live in meth country compadre. He’s the Gameshow Host-in-Chief, little more. I consider him one of America’s top Internet comedians and that’s about it at this point. The greatest cuck the devil ever pulled was convincing yokels that Trump legitimately cared about or understood their issues.

  17. @nebulafox
    I will not deign to comment on the social silliness, but will talk about how the United States interacts with the rest of the world. Someone here once made the apt comment that Americans don't do realpolitik well in foreign policy. The Right wants crusades, the Left wants morality plays. Real life geopolitics is seldom amenable to either approach. WWII being the exception to the rule does not help matters: the biggest single war in history looming on popular consciousness is often taken as normative by many, when in reality, it was anything but.

    Barack Obama and Donald Trump both ran as anti-interventionist candidates, and not least won because they got to contrast that against an inveterate interventionist member of the establishment-McCain and Clinton. But neither of them have proven consistently successful in keeping to that upon taking office. As a result, I'm skeptical that any of the anti-war signalling you see from the platform, when you see it, means all that much. The deep state is going to roll over anybody who doesn't come into the White House with a very dedicated plan to demilitarize our state-as we should have done back in 1992-and retract an empire we increasingly can't afford while our domestic infrastructure and society rots. It's a prerequisite to getting the ship righted at home, realistically speaking, but they aren't all that serious. It shows.

    For one thing, they are rushing to outdo each other in hostility to Vladimir Putin's Russia, which unlike Iraq or Syria, can very much destroy the world with us in a nuclear holocaust if things devolve into open conflict. There is constant talk about Russian intelligence threats, too, in the United States. That's real. But almost completely ignored are Chinese or Israeli intelligence threats toward the United States, both of which, if anything, are even more egregious. There seems to be this great mental desire for Vladimir Putin to be our main problem in the world, a new Adolf Hitler figure who also serves as a convenient target for the increasing anti-white male obsession of the left-wing intelligentsia. But he's just not. Even if Putin wanted to be (and I'm not sure he does-he's far from a white nationalist, or even a hardcore Russian ethno-nationalist. And he is hostile to the US, sure, but a realistic Russian leader would be extremely dumb not to be after the last quarter century), he couldn't be: the nuclear weapons obscure that his Russia is far more limited in its capabilities than the USSR was.

    The one candidate who I might take seriously on this is Gabbard, in part because of her background, in part because she's relatively consistent on these kinds of stances (i.e, not whining about how Bolton wants WWIII with Iran-and I agree fully that Bolton does and is a real threat to American national interests-but simultaneously seeming to want just that with Russia), and in part she's showing a spine on other issues: like taking on the tech robber barons that bankroll the DNC, and sticking up for Sanders in '16 when the DNC wanted him silence. She could actually win an election, you know. In fairness, Yang does not seem terrible, either, but I don't know enough him yet to comment, so I won't.

    But I know the DNC well enough to know that they'll shank her, precisely because of all of that. So The Donald's political life will go on.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @donut

    I don’t how anyone here could vote for a Democrat for President even if the candidate were sane, they will bring boatloads of PC crazies with them into any Democratic administration, you have to know that at this point. You are not voting for them as individuals, but for the party and it’s ideological troops, and those belonging to the Democrats are barking mad crazy.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Unladen Swallow

    To many, the cultural crazies are far more preferable than the economic reformers. The CCs accept Goldman Sachs money and are heavily disinterested in stopping job offshoring, automation, and wage stagnation. As one writer from Jacobin Magazine put it, they’re fighting for a place at the corporate table, not trying to burn it.

    I’m heavily Right-leaning but I do read different news outlets like Jacobin and Counterpunch. It helps pop the news bubble and lefty tears are delicious!

  18. Gibs, gibs, gibs, whites bad, gibs.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Laurence Whelk

    Didn't get the memo, did you.

    America is no longer a nation, it is now merely a giant candy machine. And every foreigner on earth deserves a piece of candy. It is only actual Americans who do not deserve any candy, with the exception of Basketball-Americans and Holocaust-Americans, who deserve not only extra candy, but also, in the latter's case, any three wars of their choosing.

    All White people everywhere, past, present, and future, are eternally guilty of the Slaveocaust, and therefore their country must be handed over to Gujaratis and Muslims for some strange reason, something to do with the Transitive Property of Equality of Color.

  19. @Harry Baldwin
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared.

    Do we have in common an unwillingness to watch the airhead Dana Perino? I can't send her dumb face, her dumb voice, and her dumb opinions.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    To me, she’s a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn’t worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that’s about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she’s on “our” R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don’t actually say anything.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Buzz Mohawk

    " I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that’s about it."

    That and her volubility quotient post coitus are really the only sensible criteria for judging a woman . I suppose homicidal inclinations and competence in the kitchen are important as well .

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don’t actually say anything."

    Exactly. I have only a limited number of hours on this planet. I'm not giving any more of them to those types.

    , @Autochthon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5TgTStWcAA20jL.jpg

    , @Kyle
    @Buzz Mohawk

    She’s got a pretty mouth.

  20. Hail says: • Website

    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege…it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Hail

    Poor Trayvon, shot for buying Skittles and wearing a hoodie. That's what she still believes, apparently.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @nebulafox
    @Hail

    >Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    [Wags finger at the schoolmarm right back]: Actually, it's his non-blackness. Who has ever heard about a Korean Trayvon Martin?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @Buck Ransom
    @Hail

    I did not tune in to this freak show, but I assume it was 65-70% an enconium
    to brown people. Isn't this gambit starting to seem very old and tired now? I would think even the candidates who are sent out to peddle this snake oil must suspect the goobers aren't lining up to buy it anymore.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hail


    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot!
     
    That ... or maybe not coldcocking, "raining down blows MMA style", and smashing his head into the sidewalk ... a guy who happens to be armed!

    Ok, George Zimmerman doesn't win any sharpest tack in the drawer awards, but he did America a solid. I'd glad the punk Trayvon is dead. He earned it. And America is a better, safer place without him in it.

    The fact that that's true of say 25% of black men and only 5% of white men--that's on blacks, not me.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Hail


    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege…it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]
     
    The benefit of having women as politicians or "leaders" continues to elude me.

    I realize she's a no-hoper, and is a Democrat so faces a 25% black electorate, but still ...
    , @Corn
    @Hail

    If their white son bashed another guy’s head onto the sidewalk they too would significantly increase their chances of being shot.

  21. The state of political analysis at the Washington Post right now.

    Robert Costa
    It appears Vice President Biden just referred to Senator Harris as “kid” as they shook hands. It seemed as if he was making a joke, asking her to “go easy on me, kid.” Any thoughts? An early, unnecessary stumble by Biden?

    A: Seung Min Kim
    On the one hand, it’s Biden being Biden. On the other hand … not a great look to dismiss a strong female candidate, particularly your most formidable challenger on the stage, as a “kid.” Whooo boy

    An entire generation or two of humanities educated college graduates is going to go through life saying things crafted solely to please their long vanished gender, race and intersectionality studies professors.

    Sadly, I won’t be around to see the end of this mental affliction but like all things, it will pass. The question is, what will be left when it is over?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @PiltdownMan

    One possibility: Chinese run economic colonies, somewhat similar to what they are doing in Africa. There will still be a lot of American technical talent the Chinese will want to tap into by employing the top 1% through US subsidiaries. And there will be some wealth left in the US so it can continue to serve as a market for goods made by Chinese corporations. The Coalition of the Fringes will be ignored except when they get too far out of line and threaten secure residential and business districts, in which case native security forces employed by the Chinese will do whatever is necessary.
    I’m guessing in this scenario the Chinese learn from Western blunders, will be too smart to engage in overt colonialism, and will use the best non-Chinese minds in their native countries without being dumb enough to import them into the homeland.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @PiltdownMan

    There's an entire genre of fiction dedicated to this but likely: a declining empire continues to lose control more and more, sporadically lashing out at challengers both foreign and domestic.

    So more of where we are now, but cranked up a bit. The future isn't a size 14 high heel on a Woke POC in the human face forever, but warband culture. The current environment for an effete elite has produced what amounts to a hothouse orchid. They can only survive and thrive in the most specialized of environments that demands copious amounts of energy. The status quo and the demands of the Woke are unsustainable.

  22. Unless I am misinterpreting, Biden claimed he would end fossil fuel use.

  23. @J.Ross
    @Sam Patch

    Yang is an idiot but well spoken. Trump is sensible and well informed but doesn't care about precision in speech. As a result Yamg routinely says things that are alarmingly ignorant, but is almost never called out on it (though I think his economic illiteracy is widely understood), whereas Trump is always in trouble for non-offenses.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Sam Patch

    For some reason, people assume Yang is good with numbers.

    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Oh, I'm sure he's proficient with microecono -- heyyy, I see what you did there.

  24. e says:

    I couldn’t take more than 15 minutes of it although I watched most of last night’s debate.

    Biden is just an order taker, a follower, although now he’s an elderly-looking order taker.

    I always find myself staring at Corey Booker. I am mesmerized by how funny-looking he is. Tonight he had several layers of powder on and the corners of his mouth were turned up more than usual, I thought. Seriously, he looked like a spooky clown. I really would hate to run into him in a room by myself, he’s that weird looking.

  25. It was disappointing to see Tulsi Gabbard turning into just another attack dog.

  26. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    Poor Trayvon, shot for buying Skittles and wearing a hoodie. That’s what she still believes, apparently.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Harry Baldwin


    Poor Trayvon, shot for buying Skittles and wearing a hoodie. That’s what she still believes, apparently.
     
    Since when is what a politician says for public consumption a reliable indicator of what he* actually believes?

    Do you have any doubt whether Gillibrand (or anyone of her class) would avoid, at all costs and to the extent possible, ever getting anywhere near finding herself in any situation at all similar to the one George Zimmerman found himself on that fateful night in 2012? (I.e., alone and anywhere near within harm's range of a youth or teen of color such as the sweet, innocent young Trayvon?

    *Yes, in this case Gillibrand is obviously a she but my pronoun was referring-to the generic politician. I make a point of defying, to the extent I can get away with it, all PC language corruption.

  27. Tulsi Gabbard is the class of the field, but has no chance.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Tipo 61

    I like what she says about our regime-change wars, but she's loopy on everything else.

  28. @nebulafox
    I will not deign to comment on the social silliness, but will talk about how the United States interacts with the rest of the world. Someone here once made the apt comment that Americans don't do realpolitik well in foreign policy. The Right wants crusades, the Left wants morality plays. Real life geopolitics is seldom amenable to either approach. WWII being the exception to the rule does not help matters: the biggest single war in history looming on popular consciousness is often taken as normative by many, when in reality, it was anything but.

    Barack Obama and Donald Trump both ran as anti-interventionist candidates, and not least won because they got to contrast that against an inveterate interventionist member of the establishment-McCain and Clinton. But neither of them have proven consistently successful in keeping to that upon taking office. As a result, I'm skeptical that any of the anti-war signalling you see from the platform, when you see it, means all that much. The deep state is going to roll over anybody who doesn't come into the White House with a very dedicated plan to demilitarize our state-as we should have done back in 1992-and retract an empire we increasingly can't afford while our domestic infrastructure and society rots. It's a prerequisite to getting the ship righted at home, realistically speaking, but they aren't all that serious. It shows.

    For one thing, they are rushing to outdo each other in hostility to Vladimir Putin's Russia, which unlike Iraq or Syria, can very much destroy the world with us in a nuclear holocaust if things devolve into open conflict. There is constant talk about Russian intelligence threats, too, in the United States. That's real. But almost completely ignored are Chinese or Israeli intelligence threats toward the United States, both of which, if anything, are even more egregious. There seems to be this great mental desire for Vladimir Putin to be our main problem in the world, a new Adolf Hitler figure who also serves as a convenient target for the increasing anti-white male obsession of the left-wing intelligentsia. But he's just not. Even if Putin wanted to be (and I'm not sure he does-he's far from a white nationalist, or even a hardcore Russian ethno-nationalist. And he is hostile to the US, sure, but a realistic Russian leader would be extremely dumb not to be after the last quarter century), he couldn't be: the nuclear weapons obscure that his Russia is far more limited in its capabilities than the USSR was.

    The one candidate who I might take seriously on this is Gabbard, in part because of her background, in part because she's relatively consistent on these kinds of stances (i.e, not whining about how Bolton wants WWIII with Iran-and I agree fully that Bolton does and is a real threat to American national interests-but simultaneously seeming to want just that with Russia), and in part she's showing a spine on other issues: like taking on the tech robber barons that bankroll the DNC, and sticking up for Sanders in '16 when the DNC wanted him silence. She could actually win an election, you know. In fairness, Yang does not seem terrible, either, but I don't know enough him yet to comment, so I won't.

    But I know the DNC well enough to know that they'll shank her, precisely because of all of that. So The Donald's political life will go on.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @donut

    ” WWII being the exception to the rule does not help matters” , nonsense .

  29. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    >Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    [Wags finger at the schoolmarm right back]: Actually, it’s his non-blackness. Who has ever heard about a Korean Trayvon Martin?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @nebulafox

    When a Korean shoots a black, that causes trouble with Pokemon points. Poc immigrant vs. AA victim.

  30. @Hypnotoad666
    @J.Ross

    For some reason, people assume Yang is good with numbers.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Oh, I’m sure he’s proficient with microecono — heyyy, I see what you did there.

  31. @nebulafox
    @Hail

    >Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    [Wags finger at the schoolmarm right back]: Actually, it's his non-blackness. Who has ever heard about a Korean Trayvon Martin?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    When a Korean shoots a black, that causes trouble with Pokemon points. Poc immigrant vs. AA victim.

  32. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    I did not tune in to this freak show, but I assume it was 65-70% an enconium
    to brown people. Isn’t this gambit starting to seem very old and tired now? I would think even the candidates who are sent out to peddle this snake oil must suspect the goobers aren’t lining up to buy it anymore.

  33. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Harry Baldwin

    To me, she's a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn't worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that's about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she's on "our" R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don't actually say anything.

    Replies: @donut, @TomSchmidt, @Autochthon, @Kyle

    ” I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that’s about it.”

    That and her volubility quotient post coitus are really the only sensible criteria for judging a woman . I suppose homicidal inclinations and competence in the kitchen are important as well .

  34. Russia and China don’t really need to invest much effort into fighting us, taking us down. We have more than enough self-destructive forces and trends within. I think I’m gonna puke.

    At least Yang and Gabbard do not seem to be insane.

  35. @Hail
    - Sports-event-like candidate introductions with them walking out like boxers (groan)

    - National anthem (why?)

    - Organized hecklers (possibly chanting "Black Lives Matter;" disrupted Booker)

    - Lots of canned applause again

    - Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.

    Replies: @donut, @ziggurat

    ” Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.”

    Oh no he di’int .

  36. Get thee to a bathhouse, Booker. It’s Kamala v. Trump.

  37. Biden was the punching bag, Harris can throw a punch a lot better than she can take one, Booker was the most lively, Bennet the most sane, and Yang may just have done well enough to get to the next debate.

    • Replies: @PennTothal
    @Impolitic


    Booker was the most lively, Bennet the most sane
     
    Bennet is Thurston Howell IIIrd re-incarnated.

    His entire campaign platform is a 100-day action plan to get off the island. He will ensure that the skipper constructs a raft while Gilligan collects more coconuts.
  38. Does CNN really have canned applause, or is that fake news? I’m traveling in China at the moment, so I have not been watching.

  39. Realize this is a Democrat speaking.

    I am not watching the debate.
    Wisconsin has an open primary. I will see if there is anyone worth voting for by then.

    I always disliked Bankster Biden. The other candidates are making me root for Biden. Lord help us.

    Harris is building herself up by trying to take the black vote away from Biden. Before the debates The Great Mentioner spike of a Biden-Harris ticket. Biden could’ve helped her career more than any man has in the past. It looks like Harris is out as VP. If she gets the nomination, I can’t see how she could actually win the Midwest.

    I could accept corrupt Joe Biden as an alternative to the crazy train. I would hope he would choose Sherrod Brown as his VP candidate. Someone sane and Midwestern. There will be tons of pressure on him to choose a female running mate. Perhaps Tammy Baldwin. Liberal as heck, an out lesbian, but a true Midwesterner, a phenomenal campaigner and someone who could rip Pence apart in debates.

    I would make Tulsi Gabbard Sec of Defense. Why? Because she is a vet, and she would destroy any chances of an unnecessary war with Iran.

    • Replies: @e
    @Paleo Liberal

    I hope there aren't many of you.

    , @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal


    someone who could rip Pence apart in debates
     
    If that bar were any lower it would be six feet under. They got Pence from the Quayle store.

    Replies: @Whiskey

  40. @Paleo Liberal
    Realize this is a Democrat speaking.

    I am not watching the debate.
    Wisconsin has an open primary. I will see if there is anyone worth voting for by then.

    I always disliked Bankster Biden. The other candidates are making me root for Biden. Lord help us.

    Harris is building herself up by trying to take the black vote away from Biden. Before the debates The Great Mentioner spike of a Biden-Harris ticket. Biden could’ve helped her career more than any man has in the past. It looks like Harris is out as VP. If she gets the nomination, I can’t see how she could actually win the Midwest.

    I could accept corrupt Joe Biden as an alternative to the crazy train. I would hope he would choose Sherrod Brown as his VP candidate. Someone sane and Midwestern. There will be tons of pressure on him to choose a female running mate. Perhaps Tammy Baldwin. Liberal as heck, an out lesbian, but a true Midwesterner, a phenomenal campaigner and someone who could rip Pence apart in debates.

    I would make Tulsi Gabbard Sec of Defense. Why? Because she is a vet, and she would destroy any chances of an unnecessary war with Iran.

    Replies: @e, @Desiderius

    I hope there aren’t many of you.

  41. Booker: “Senator Biden, I’m not saying you’re a racist, but why are there no videos of you feeling up black girls?”

    Biden: “I’m sure there are no videos of you feeling up black girls either, Mr. Booker. Like the style. Nice hair. Nice beard.”

    • LOL: Corn
  42. Kamala Harris drones on in her nasally imitation of Jackie Brown about racist racist racist Trump and trying but not succeeding in finding her groove in attacking Biden

    Corey “Goofy” Booker is an empty Brown Bag and never says anything worthwhile or true

    Biden appears more wizened each time he appears on tv but his startlingly white teeth animate him enough so he can blather nonsense and incorrect statistics with ease

    Tulsi has a sincere and dignified presence but she’s not the chosen one by the powers so she won’t be allowed anything but a minor government role if God forbid the Dems win

    Yang is floundering and seems to think a guaranteed income will solve all problems

    Julian “The Olmec” hates racist Trump and promises to do whatever

    The other White Guys have no chance, or anything to contribute but they like all the rest love to call out racist racist Trump for his racist rascally racist ways

  43. anon[645] • Disclaimer says:

    “not a great look to dismiss a strong female candidate, particularly your most formidable challenger on the stage, as a “kid.” Whooo boy”

    Not a great look to whom? Back here in reality, it’s a great look. It puts this shrew in her place and blunts her attacks against him, painting them as the desperation tactics of a harpy behind in the polls. These people analyze politics like high school girls competing for social attention from their peers. These people have zero conception of how normal humans outside of Washington D.C. actually think and feel.

    • Agree: Kyle
  44. Kirsten The Privileged Blonde White Woman is a cold fish who would stab her mother in the back to be president despises racist Trump and did I mention she hates Trump

  45. “I would make Tulsi Gabbard Sec of Defense. Why? Because she is a vet, and she would destroy any chances of an unnecessary war with Iran.”

    So Tulsi Gabbard is going to succeed where every other US pol since Eisenhower has failed , denying Israel what it wants ? She would be better off switching to Republican .

  46. @explorer
    through demographics these freaking idiots will be in charge soon

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Mr McKenna

    Oh boy.... donors won’t like that.

  47. Yang’s “we also need to start moving our people to higher ground” line was stupid. People like stuff like the green new deal because they think of it as a basket of goodness with no downside, “creating jobs”(because voters have make-work bias) with some alchemic process taking care of the bill. But if you actually propose real sacrifices, if you actually tell people they might have to move, they don’t like to hear that.

  48. @Laurence Whelk
    Gibs, gibs, gibs, whites bad, gibs.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Didn’t get the memo, did you.

    America is no longer a nation, it is now merely a giant candy machine. And every foreigner on earth deserves a piece of candy. It is only actual Americans who do not deserve any candy, with the exception of Basketball-Americans and Holocaust-Americans, who deserve not only extra candy, but also, in the latter’s case, any three wars of their choosing.

    All White people everywhere, past, present, and future, are eternally guilty of the Slaveocaust, and therefore their country must be handed over to Gujaratis and Muslims for some strange reason, something to do with the Transitive Property of Equality of Color.

    • Agree: bomag
  49. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Harry Baldwin

    To me, she's a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn't worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that's about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she's on "our" R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don't actually say anything.

    Replies: @donut, @TomSchmidt, @Autochthon, @Kyle

    “They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don’t actually say anything.”

    Exactly. I have only a limited number of hours on this planet. I’m not giving any more of them to those types.

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    Forgot there was a debate tonight. Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared. Turned that off to read Unz. Will not watch a Democrat debate until I see Once Upon a Time...

    Not sure what the chances are, but it could happen.

    Sorry I missed Marianne Williamson last night. She's my choice.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there’s enough there to hold one’s interest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there’s enough there to hold one’s interest.
     
    What do you find of interest in each of them?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  51. @Paleo Liberal
    Realize this is a Democrat speaking.

    I am not watching the debate.
    Wisconsin has an open primary. I will see if there is anyone worth voting for by then.

    I always disliked Bankster Biden. The other candidates are making me root for Biden. Lord help us.

    Harris is building herself up by trying to take the black vote away from Biden. Before the debates The Great Mentioner spike of a Biden-Harris ticket. Biden could’ve helped her career more than any man has in the past. It looks like Harris is out as VP. If she gets the nomination, I can’t see how she could actually win the Midwest.

    I could accept corrupt Joe Biden as an alternative to the crazy train. I would hope he would choose Sherrod Brown as his VP candidate. Someone sane and Midwestern. There will be tons of pressure on him to choose a female running mate. Perhaps Tammy Baldwin. Liberal as heck, an out lesbian, but a true Midwesterner, a phenomenal campaigner and someone who could rip Pence apart in debates.

    I would make Tulsi Gabbard Sec of Defense. Why? Because she is a vet, and she would destroy any chances of an unnecessary war with Iran.

    Replies: @e, @Desiderius

    someone who could rip Pence apart in debates

    If that bar were any lower it would be six feet under. They got Pence from the Quayle store.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Desiderius

    Debates haha that's funny.

    It's all about tribe. Whitey will pay and pay and pay.

  52. @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal


    someone who could rip Pence apart in debates
     
    If that bar were any lower it would be six feet under. They got Pence from the Quayle store.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Debates haha that’s funny.

    It’s all about tribe. Whitey will pay and pay and pay.

  53. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there's enough there to hold one's interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there’s enough there to hold one’s interest.

    What do you find of interest in each of them?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    Williamson’s highlighting of the utter inauthenticity of the official candidates by contrast. She’s not needy.

    Yang’s air of competence, having an identity beyond not-Republican/OrangeManBad.

    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.

    Replies: @Dissident

  54. @40 Acres and a Kardashian
    Cory Booker should pull off his own Kamala Harris moment tonight:

    "Senator Biden, I'm not saying you're a racist, but why are there no videos of you feeling up black girls?"

    Replies: @Thomas, @Father O'Hara

    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Thomas


    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.
     
    That's what Rosario Dawson is for. Booker can get his picture taken grabbing her ass.

    The problem is Booker is just unimpressive and boring.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

  55. anonymous[958] • Disclaimer says:

    Watching the debates, it’s pretty obvious that 3rd party candidates should run on the premise that, while they may not win, they can make their closest adjoining party lose.

    In this case, Howard Schultz fits the bill. He has no chance of winning. But if he runs, the Dems lose to Trump. This is more than enough leverage to force a change in the party platform.

  56. Americans don’t do realpolitik well in foreign policy

    America has always sucked at statecraft, mostly because it’s rarely needed. We’ve got a big stick, two huge moats, and our nearest neighbors are weaklings and basket cases. Why go for subtlety when you can just bash ’em over the head? Europe produces Tallyrand and Metternich, the US produces Teddy Roosevelt and G.W. Bush.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    We've had our realists: John Quincy Adams, who was on hand to observe Napoleonic Europe up close and personal, was one of them. Unfortunately, words like these are rarely heeded:

    "Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example."

    The thing is, this is what works (that, and taking the general profit out of war). If you have a society worth imitating, you won't need to brag about it. People will naturally want to be friends with you, to be like you. But it works the other way around, too. If your society is a mess, people internationally can see it, and all you have is raw conventional power, it's all resting on shaky foundations. Just ask people from the latter day Soviet Union what it was like to have a fancy military machine next to collapsing civil infrastructure.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  57. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot!

    That … or maybe not coldcocking, “raining down blows MMA style”, and smashing his head into the sidewalk … a guy who happens to be armed!

    Ok, George Zimmerman doesn’t win any sharpest tack in the drawer awards, but he did America a solid. I’d glad the punk Trayvon is dead. He earned it. And America is a better, safer place without him in it.

    The fact that that’s true of say 25% of black men and only 5% of white men–that’s on blacks, not me.

  58. @Thomas
    @40 Acres and a Kardashian

    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.

    That’s what Rosario Dawson is for. Booker can get his picture taken grabbing her ass.

    The problem is Booker is just unimpressive and boring.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @AnotherDad

    And he reminds me a bit of Margaret Dumont. He gets so flustered.

  59. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Americans don’t do realpolitik well in foreign policy
     
    America has always sucked at statecraft, mostly because it's rarely needed. We've got a big stick, two huge moats, and our nearest neighbors are weaklings and basket cases. Why go for subtlety when you can just bash 'em over the head? Europe produces Tallyrand and Metternich, the US produces Teddy Roosevelt and G.W. Bush.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    We’ve had our realists: John Quincy Adams, who was on hand to observe Napoleonic Europe up close and personal, was one of them. Unfortunately, words like these are rarely heeded:

    “Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.”

    The thing is, this is what works (that, and taking the general profit out of war). If you have a society worth imitating, you won’t need to brag about it. People will naturally want to be friends with you, to be like you. But it works the other way around, too. If your society is a mess, people internationally can see it, and all you have is raw conventional power, it’s all resting on shaky foundations. Just ask people from the latter day Soviet Union what it was like to have a fancy military machine next to collapsing civil infrastructure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @nebulafox


    The thing is, this is what works (that, and taking the general profit out of war)
     
    How do you take the profit out of war?
  60. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege…it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M’s and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    The benefit of having women as politicians or “leaders” continues to elude me.

    I realize she’s a no-hoper, and is a Democrat so faces a 25% black electorate, but still …

  61. @nebulafox
    @anonymous

    I don't think Google is going to donate to the campaign of a new Tiberius Gracchus any more than the Koch Brothers are likely to, so... no, not yet. The new Gracchi will come, to be sure. But not on the campaign stage for President.

    We're probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he's got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it'll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person. I suspect it won't come from the majority of the tech titans, though, because they simply profit too much from the current status quo. A particularly smart candidate might advocate restraints on the oligarchs mainly to stave off future social unrest, a la Marcus Livius Drusus, but that's not the same thing.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @PhysicistDave

    Anyone with ambitions to be the next Drusus will remember what happened to the last Drusus.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Alfa158

    Both of them. I don't think Tiberius ever recovered from that. That exploded him out of Rome.

    I have a vision of Tiberius learning of his son's death. He stares out into space, and then in this weary, Franz Josef-esque voice... "Nothing has been spared me in this world..."

  62. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    We've had our realists: John Quincy Adams, who was on hand to observe Napoleonic Europe up close and personal, was one of them. Unfortunately, words like these are rarely heeded:

    "Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example."

    The thing is, this is what works (that, and taking the general profit out of war). If you have a society worth imitating, you won't need to brag about it. People will naturally want to be friends with you, to be like you. But it works the other way around, too. If your society is a mess, people internationally can see it, and all you have is raw conventional power, it's all resting on shaky foundations. Just ask people from the latter day Soviet Union what it was like to have a fancy military machine next to collapsing civil infrastructure.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The thing is, this is what works (that, and taking the general profit out of war)

    How do you take the profit out of war?

  63. @Alfa158
    @nebulafox

    Anyone with ambitions to be the next Drusus will remember what happened to the last Drusus.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Both of them. I don’t think Tiberius ever recovered from that. That exploded him out of Rome.

    I have a vision of Tiberius learning of his son’s death. He stares out into space, and then in this weary, Franz Josef-esque voice… “Nothing has been spared me in this world…”

  64. @PiltdownMan
    The state of political analysis at the Washington Post right now.


    Robert Costa
    It appears Vice President Biden just referred to Senator Harris as "kid" as they shook hands. It seemed as if he was making a joke, asking her to "go easy on me, kid." Any thoughts? An early, unnecessary stumble by Biden?

    A: Seung Min Kim
    On the one hand, it's Biden being Biden. On the other hand ... not a great look to dismiss a strong female candidate, particularly your most formidable challenger on the stage, as a "kid." Whooo boy
     
    An entire generation or two of humanities educated college graduates is going to go through life saying things crafted solely to please their long vanished gender, race and intersectionality studies professors.

    Sadly, I won't be around to see the end of this mental affliction but like all things, it will pass. The question is, what will be left when it is over?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    One possibility: Chinese run economic colonies, somewhat similar to what they are doing in Africa. There will still be a lot of American technical talent the Chinese will want to tap into by employing the top 1% through US subsidiaries. And there will be some wealth left in the US so it can continue to serve as a market for goods made by Chinese corporations. The Coalition of the Fringes will be ignored except when they get too far out of line and threaten secure residential and business districts, in which case native security forces employed by the Chinese will do whatever is necessary.
    I’m guessing in this scenario the Chinese learn from Western blunders, will be too smart to engage in overt colonialism, and will use the best non-Chinese minds in their native countries without being dumb enough to import them into the homeland.

  65. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Harry Baldwin

    To me, she's a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn't worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that's about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she's on "our" R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don't actually say anything.

    Replies: @donut, @TomSchmidt, @Autochthon, @Kyle

  66. @Unladen Swallow
    @nebulafox

    I don't how anyone here could vote for a Democrat for President even if the candidate were sane, they will bring boatloads of PC crazies with them into any Democratic administration, you have to know that at this point. You are not voting for them as individuals, but for the party and it's ideological troops, and those belonging to the Democrats are barking mad crazy.

    Replies: @Kronos

    To many, the cultural crazies are far more preferable than the economic reformers. The CCs accept Goldman Sachs money and are heavily disinterested in stopping job offshoring, automation, and wage stagnation. As one writer from Jacobin Magazine put it, they’re fighting for a place at the corporate table, not trying to burn it.

    I’m heavily Right-leaning but I do read different news outlets like Jacobin and Counterpunch. It helps pop the news bubble and lefty tears are delicious!

  67. @AnotherDad
    @Thomas


    Cory would do himself a favor with a video feeling up a girl of any description, but I’d imagine some hoverhand/discomfort/unfamiliarity might show though.
     
    That's what Rosario Dawson is for. Booker can get his picture taken grabbing her ass.

    The problem is Booker is just unimpressive and boring.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    And he reminds me a bit of Margaret Dumont. He gets so flustered.

  68. @40 Acres and a Kardashian
    Cory Booker should pull off his own Kamala Harris moment tonight:

    "Senator Biden, I'm not saying you're a racist, but why are there no videos of you feeling up black girls?"

    Replies: @Thomas, @Father O'Hara

    In fact there is a video of joe kissing a young black woman who had graduated from Morgan State U.

  69. @nebulafox
    @anonymous

    I don't think Google is going to donate to the campaign of a new Tiberius Gracchus any more than the Koch Brothers are likely to, so... no, not yet. The new Gracchi will come, to be sure. But not on the campaign stage for President.

    We're probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he's got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it'll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person. I suspect it won't come from the majority of the tech titans, though, because they simply profit too much from the current status quo. A particularly smart candidate might advocate restraints on the oligarchs mainly to stave off future social unrest, a la Marcus Livius Drusus, but that's not the same thing.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @PhysicistDave

    nebulafox wrote:

    We’re probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he’s got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it’ll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person.

    I think it could be done; e.g. :

    I will return America to the working people of America — the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors — of all races and backgrounds. America will belong to the people again. And, I will crush the paper pushers and those who manipulate words and rules and regulations to destroy the lives of real people. And I mean it! This is war for America.

    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destory him (they have come close to destroying the amiable Donald Trump) …. unless, I am afraid, he really does crush the system — courts, legislatures, the free press, and all the rest.

    Which means the end of the Republic.

    Which is indeed what happened to Rome.

    I hope I am wrong and there is a soft landing, but, one way or another, this cannot continue.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @PhysicistDave


    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destroy him…. unless... he really does crush the system
     
    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov't spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

  70. @Impolitic
    Biden was the punching bag, Harris can throw a punch a lot better than she can take one, Booker was the most lively, Bennet the most sane, and Yang may just have done well enough to get to the next debate.

    Replies: @PennTothal

    Booker was the most lively, Bennet the most sane

    Bennet is Thurston Howell IIIrd re-incarnated.

    His entire campaign platform is a 100-day action plan to get off the island. He will ensure that the skipper constructs a raft while Gilligan collects more coconuts.

  71. Jack Hanson says:
    @PiltdownMan
    The state of political analysis at the Washington Post right now.


    Robert Costa
    It appears Vice President Biden just referred to Senator Harris as "kid" as they shook hands. It seemed as if he was making a joke, asking her to "go easy on me, kid." Any thoughts? An early, unnecessary stumble by Biden?

    A: Seung Min Kim
    On the one hand, it's Biden being Biden. On the other hand ... not a great look to dismiss a strong female candidate, particularly your most formidable challenger on the stage, as a "kid." Whooo boy
     
    An entire generation or two of humanities educated college graduates is going to go through life saying things crafted solely to please their long vanished gender, race and intersectionality studies professors.

    Sadly, I won't be around to see the end of this mental affliction but like all things, it will pass. The question is, what will be left when it is over?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    There’s an entire genre of fiction dedicated to this but likely: a declining empire continues to lose control more and more, sporadically lashing out at challengers both foreign and domestic.

    So more of where we are now, but cranked up a bit. The future isn’t a size 14 high heel on a Woke POC in the human face forever, but warband culture. The current environment for an effete elite has produced what amounts to a hothouse orchid. They can only survive and thrive in the most specialized of environments that demands copious amounts of energy. The status quo and the demands of the Woke are unsustainable.

  72. @PhysicistDave
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote:


    We’re probably another election cycle or two away from a self-funded billionaire realizing that he could pull another Trump if he’s got enough charisma to pull it off. And that if he were to advocate overall reform (which will necessarily mean becoming a social outcast in his class because it’ll require slaughtering a lot of sacred cows on both ends of the political spectrum), it could give him an immense amount of personal power with the hoi polloi that would need to be reckoned with, especially if he comes in with a more organized middle apparatus than Trump, leaving aside just generally being a more serious person.
     
    I think it could be done; e.g. :

    I will return America to the working people of America -- the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors -- of all races and backgrounds. America will belong to the people again. And, I will crush the paper pushers and those who manipulate words and rules and regulations to destroy the lives of real people. And I mean it! This is war for America.
     
    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power -- the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy -- that they will destory him (they have come close to destroying the amiable Donald Trump) .... unless, I am afraid, he really does crush the system -- courts, legislatures, the free press, and all the rest.

    Which means the end of the Republic.

    Which is indeed what happened to Rome.

    I hope I am wrong and there is a soft landing, but, one way or another, this cannot continue.

    Replies: @bomag

    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destroy him…. unless… he really does crush the system

    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov’t spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @bomag

    And that's what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: "Hey the system sucks but here's $2000." Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang's hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as "software glitches". California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dissident, @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    , @Desiderius
    @bomag

    When the music stops we’re all f*cked. They’re just trying to hold on to their chair in the meantime.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @bomag

    bomag wrote:


    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov’t spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.
     
    The Marxists (back when there were real Marxists who actually talked about the working class!) called it "false consciousness."

    Of course, the game of "sure we're destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I'll end up with a shred when the game is over" is a sucker's game.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag

  73. Jack Hanson says:
    @bomag
    @PhysicistDave


    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destroy him…. unless... he really does crush the system
     
    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov't spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang’s hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as “software glitches”. California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack Hanson

    The woke and what army? There is more political juice in mocking the woke than kowtowing to them.

    Wokeness is tricky. It’s high status but high status losers, regressors to the mean. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still have some appeal - see the brilliant end of Young Adult - but that appeal isn’t really drawing in the best and brightest.

    Not a good bet for the strong horse going forward.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson

    , @Dissident
    @Jack Hanson


    We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as “software glitches”. California is engaging in rolling blackouts.
     
    Is it still okay to say blackout? I would think the association between a decidedly negative, unpleasant, regressive occurrence like the loss of electrical power and (the ever sacred and exalted) blackness would have been deemed racist by now.

    Apropos:
    Bye-bye, manhole: Berkeley moves to ban gendered language from its city code


    “While it’s a joke for some people, serving all people regardless of how they identify is fundamental to who we are [emphasis mine- Dissident],” Chakko said.
     
    From the partial list of examples provided in the article: (I selected the ones I found remarkable; the others seemed to me as if they have been in widespread use for some time already, e.g., firefighter, police officer, chairperson, etc.)

    Manholes become ”maintenance holes”

    Manpower becomes “human effort”

    Sorority and fraternity become “collegiate Greek system residences”

    Ombudsman becomes ”ombuds”

    Pregnant woman becomes “pregnant employee”
     

    Did Mr. Sailer really miss this story? I scrolled through past posts and didn't find anything.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    The blackouts are only going to get worse. Utilities are falling over each other competing to say that they are the first to go "zero carbon". Now a large part of that is going to be publicity hype and some very flexible definition of zero carbon. But the more seriously they take this mandate, the more unreliable the grid is going to become because "green" energy is unreliable energy - sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it doesn't, sometime the wind blows and sometimes it's calm. Maybe at 10% hydrocarbon you could still have a reliable network with gas turbines to cover dips in green energy but the zealots won't allow that - got to be 100% carbon free or else the whales are all gonna die or something.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jack Hanson

    Jack Hanson wrote:


    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI...
     
    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    Yamg ignores a basic fact of economics: goods and services have to be produced by somebody.

    There is no magic cornucopia from which one can gather goodies to make some people better off without taking from others -- unless, that is, one can figure out how to increase overall production. And the best way to increase overall production is to avoid taking earnings away from those who are the producers, as Yang wants to do.

    I know Yang claims that the workers will get back what they pay in, but most won't. The money for the non-producers has to come from the producers.

    Yang is a con artist, convincing only to those who are innumerate.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson, @ben tillman

  74. @Tipo 61
    Tulsi Gabbard is the class of the field, but has no chance.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I like what she says about our regime-change wars, but she’s loopy on everything else.

  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    Forgot there was a debate tonight. Watched Tucker Carlson until Dana Perino appeared. Turned that off to read Unz. Will not watch a Democrat debate until I see Once Upon a Time...

    Not sure what the chances are, but it could happen.

    Sorry I missed Marianne Williamson last night. She's my choice.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    FOX News often consists of FOX News personalities talking to other FOX News personalities. Why is this considered news? Or remotely interesting? I wonder if their contracts require that they get a certain number of prime-time hours of exposure, so if they’re not on Hannity, they go on Tucker, or whatever. They never have anything interesting to say. It’s just filler for the old people who have FOX on while they check their blood-sugar.

    I agree about Perino. I can’t stand her. She’s pretty, but an airhead. And she was a Bush/Cheney flunky. She can always be relied upon for a Republican Party Establishment point of view, delivered without even the pretense of originality or novelty.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    As opposed to CNN?

    Look, network TV news used to be 15 minutes, then 30 minutes starting in 1963 (ABC didn't go to 30 minutes until 1967), 5 days a week. This is about the amount of time you need to convey the major news stories of the day. But cable networks broadcast 24/7 so what are you going to do with the remain 23.5 hours of air time every day?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  76. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Between Williamson, Yang, and Gabbard there’s enough there to hold one’s interest.
     
    What do you find of interest in each of them?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Williamson’s highlighting of the utter inauthenticity of the official candidates by contrast. She’s not needy.

    Yang’s air of competence, having an identity beyond not-Republican/OrangeManBad.

    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Desiderius


    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.
     
    I know she's opposed-to invade but invite too? Didn't Gabbard, in one of the earlier debates [sic], declare (along with Yang and perhaps all of the bunch except for Biden) her support for providing medical coverage to illegal aliens?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  77. @bomag
    @PhysicistDave


    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destroy him…. unless... he really does crush the system
     
    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov't spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

    When the music stops we’re all f*cked. They’re just trying to hold on to their chair in the meantime.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  78. @Jack Hanson
    @bomag

    And that's what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: "Hey the system sucks but here's $2000." Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang's hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as "software glitches". California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dissident, @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    The woke and what army? There is more political juice in mocking the woke than kowtowing to them.

    Wokeness is tricky. It’s high status but high status losers, regressors to the mean. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still have some appeal – see the brilliant end of Young Adult – but that appeal isn’t really drawing in the best and brightest.

    Not a good bet for the strong horse going forward.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    The problem with any redistributionist scheme such as UBI is that if you make it too broad based, people are going to in effect have to pay it to themselves, or middle class people who are only slightly richer (or sometimes even poorer) paying money to other middle class people without any real fairness. If you confine the beneficiaries to a small minority of the poor and the tax base to a small % of the rich, it can all work and with some level of fairness but the logic of government is such that the beneficiary pool keeps getting larger and of necessity so does the tax base no matter how you start out (the original income tax was only on the very rich).

    So on one end you have the government taking money from middle class people (e.g. property taxes, social security tax) and on the other end sending it back to the same middle class people (e.g. free public schools, social security pensions) but in between there is a huge army of bureaucrats (mainly black ladies) skimming some of it off and spending it inefficiently, when you would have been better off if they had just let you keep your own money.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Desiderius

    People are getting fired for non-woke satire and there's Congressional hearings on why biggaygroyper69 can say the en word on twatter dawt com.

    I would not stand by the idea that there's more political power in mocking the Woke, but you're right that they don't attract the best at all. Everything around us is entropy tearing down everything that was built up over the past centuries.

  79. @Hail
    Gillibrand: As a White woman of privilege...it is also my responsibility to lift up [nonwhite] voices.

    Gillibrand: I can talk to those White women in the suburbs who voted for Trump and explain to them what White Privilege actually is. That when their son walks down the street, with a bag of M&M's and a hoodie [wags finger], his Whiteness is what protects him from not being shot! [CNN drops in one of the loudest canned applauses of night]

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @nebulafox, @Buck Ransom, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Corn

    If their white son bashed another guy’s head onto the sidewalk they too would significantly increase their chances of being shot.

  80. @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    Williamson’s highlighting of the utter inauthenticity of the official candidates by contrast. She’s not needy.

    Yang’s air of competence, having an identity beyond not-Republican/OrangeManBad.

    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.

    I know she’s opposed-to invade but invite too? Didn’t Gabbard, in one of the earlier debates [sic], declare (along with Yang and perhaps all of the bunch except for Biden) her support for providing medical coverage to illegal aliens?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dissident

    Steve’s paired the two for a reason. All Ds want to “provide” medical care for everyone, i.e. deny new therapies to anyone. That’s just boilerplate regressivism.

  81. @Mr McKenna
    @explorer

    Always a silver lining though. IAO now has AOC on her side!


    AOC says Palestinians 'have no choice but to riot' against Israel as she agrees with radio host that the country is 'criminal'


     

    Replies: @Corn

    Oh boy…. donors won’t like that.

  82. @Jack Hanson
    @bomag

    And that's what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: "Hey the system sucks but here's $2000." Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang's hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as "software glitches". California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dissident, @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as “software glitches”. California is engaging in rolling blackouts.

    Is it still okay to say blackout? I would think the association between a decidedly negative, unpleasant, regressive occurrence like the loss of electrical power and (the ever sacred and exalted) blackness would have been deemed racist by now.

    Apropos:
    Bye-bye, manhole: Berkeley moves to ban gendered language from its city code

    “While it’s a joke for some people, serving all people regardless of how they identify is fundamental to who we are [emphasis mine- Dissident],” Chakko said.

    From the partial list of examples provided in the article: (I selected the ones I found remarkable; the others seemed to me as if they have been in widespread use for some time already, e.g., firefighter, police officer, chairperson, etc.)

    Manholes become ”maintenance holes”

    Manpower becomes “human effort”

    Sorority and fraternity become “collegiate Greek system residences”

    Ombudsman becomes ”ombuds”

    Pregnant woman becomes “pregnant employee”

    Did Mr. Sailer really miss this story? I scrolled through past posts and didn’t find anything.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Dissident

    Someone will get fired for breaking speech codes. You watch.

  83. Woodsheds? Woodsheds?

    Michael Tracey is talking about woodsheds?

    Michael Tracey doesn’t know the difference between a bow saw and a boomerang and he’s talking about woodsheds?

    Michael Tracey is living on Tulsi Time — good song re-done by Eric Clapton!

    Tracey likes Tulsi, and I like her on some things too!

  84. Thank god for the Babylon Bee. Mockery is the best way to undermine the PC klan.

  85. @Jack Hanson
    @bomag

    And that's what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: "Hey the system sucks but here's $2000." Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang's hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as "software glitches". California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dissident, @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    The blackouts are only going to get worse. Utilities are falling over each other competing to say that they are the first to go “zero carbon”. Now a large part of that is going to be publicity hype and some very flexible definition of zero carbon. But the more seriously they take this mandate, the more unreliable the grid is going to become because “green” energy is unreliable energy – sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it doesn’t, sometime the wind blows and sometimes it’s calm. Maybe at 10% hydrocarbon you could still have a reliable network with gas turbines to cover dips in green energy but the zealots won’t allow that – got to be 100% carbon free or else the whales are all gonna die or something.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Its wild how this is local news or a byline on a national news website but some based granny letting sainted POC have it is wall to wall coverage.

    We agree again. The third times summons the Horsemen.

  86. @Mr. Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    FOX News often consists of FOX News personalities talking to other FOX News personalities. Why is this considered news? Or remotely interesting? I wonder if their contracts require that they get a certain number of prime-time hours of exposure, so if they're not on Hannity, they go on Tucker, or whatever. They never have anything interesting to say. It's just filler for the old people who have FOX on while they check their blood-sugar.

    I agree about Perino. I can't stand her. She's pretty, but an airhead. And she was a Bush/Cheney flunky. She can always be relied upon for a Republican Party Establishment point of view, delivered without even the pretense of originality or novelty.

    Replies: @Jack D

    As opposed to CNN?

    Look, network TV news used to be 15 minutes, then 30 minutes starting in 1963 (ABC didn’t go to 30 minutes until 1967), 5 days a week. This is about the amount of time you need to convey the major news stories of the day. But cable networks broadcast 24/7 so what are you going to do with the remain 23.5 hours of air time every day?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    As opposed to CNN?
     
    They are the same, obviously.

    But cable networks broadcast 24/7 so what are you going to do with the remain 23.5 hours of air time every day?
     
    They could interview people who actually know things, rather than airheads like Perino, or obnoxious idiots like Chris Stirewalt. But it's propaganda, so what do you want.
  87. @Desiderius
    @Jack Hanson

    The woke and what army? There is more political juice in mocking the woke than kowtowing to them.

    Wokeness is tricky. It’s high status but high status losers, regressors to the mean. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still have some appeal - see the brilliant end of Young Adult - but that appeal isn’t really drawing in the best and brightest.

    Not a good bet for the strong horse going forward.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson

    The problem with any redistributionist scheme such as UBI is that if you make it too broad based, people are going to in effect have to pay it to themselves, or middle class people who are only slightly richer (or sometimes even poorer) paying money to other middle class people without any real fairness. If you confine the beneficiaries to a small minority of the poor and the tax base to a small % of the rich, it can all work and with some level of fairness but the logic of government is such that the beneficiary pool keeps getting larger and of necessity so does the tax base no matter how you start out (the original income tax was only on the very rich).

    So on one end you have the government taking money from middle class people (e.g. property taxes, social security tax) and on the other end sending it back to the same middle class people (e.g. free public schools, social security pensions) but in between there is a huge army of bureaucrats (mainly black ladies) skimming some of it off and spending it inefficiently, when you would have been better off if they had just let you keep your own money.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Of course, but this already being done on a large scale for everyone but young white males seeking to form families.

    The negative space is suggestive.

  88. Well I heard Mr. Ali wrote about her

    Well I heard ol’ Wajahat put her down

    Well I hope Wajahat Ali will remember

    An American man don’t need him around, anyhow

  89. This nasty whore guy with his attack on Tulsi Gabbard and his misspelled DISCHORD horseshit might be the last gasp of the Russia — Russia — Russia crud coming out of the corporate propaganda apparatus and the Democrat Party and the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    These filthy turds even used the Russia crap against Mitch McConnell, when McConnell has clear and direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party. The corporate media ignores Mitch McConnell’s shady connections to the Chinese Communist Party and says McConnell is “Moscow Mitch.” Corporate media has a wheel in the ditch!

    Enough of the Russia horseshit, you treasonous rat globalizer twats!

    It’s DISCORD, you corporate propaganda whore twat!

  90. @bomag
    @PhysicistDave


    But, the chattering classes and the oligarchs and the liberal elites have so locked up the levers of power — the media, the courts, the universities, the bureaucracy — that they will destroy him…. unless... he really does crush the system
     
    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov't spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave

    bomag wrote:

    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov’t spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.

    The Marxists (back when there were real Marxists who actually talked about the working class!) called it “false consciousness.”

    Of course, the game of “sure we’re destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I’ll end up with a shred when the game is over” is a sucker’s game.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @PhysicistDave


    Of course, the game of “sure we’re destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I’ll end up with a shred when the game is over” is a sucker’s game.
     
    A sucker's game is bound to be popular in a sucker's country.
    , @bomag
    @PhysicistDave


    Of course, the game of “sure we’re destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I’ll end up with a shred when the game is over” is a sucker’s game.
     
    All too popular a game through history and around the world.
  91. @Jack Hanson
    @bomag

    And that's what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: "Hey the system sucks but here's $2000." Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI, and you could already see from Yang's hedging that it would turn into another gibs for invented greivances by the eternally ungrateful. We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as "software glitches". California is engaging in rolling blackouts. A first world nation cannot energize a significant portion of its grid. These are serious problems and yet we get more grievance fueled masturbation.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dissident, @Jack D, @PhysicistDave

    Jack Hanson wrote:

    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI…

    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    Yamg ignores a basic fact of economics: goods and services have to be produced by somebody.

    There is no magic cornucopia from which one can gather goodies to make some people better off without taking from others — unless, that is, one can figure out how to increase overall production. And the best way to increase overall production is to avoid taking earnings away from those who are the producers, as Yang wants to do.

    I know Yang claims that the workers will get back what they pay in, but most won’t. The money for the non-producers has to come from the producers.

    Yang is a con artist, convincing only to those who are innumerate.

    • Agree: Jack D, Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    If it was only a matter of round tripping your money, hypothetically it wouldn't be so bad. But the reality is that government is very inefficient so that by the time you get your own dollar back, a big chunk of it is missing, used to support the bureaucrats who administer the program. And of course rarely do you get it back if you are productive - the whole point of these schemes is to subsidize the non-productive using the productive's money, but to create enough smoke and mirrors to make people think that "everyone" benefits so that the program gets wide support (see Social Security).

    , @Jack Hanson
    @PhysicistDave

    Not saying you're wrong, but its an effective slight of hand that's going to keep 95% of slabbros, linemen, firefighters, etc sedate, at least until the bill comes due, and it will.

    , @ben tillman
    @PhysicistDave


    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.
     
    UBI is properly funded by a tax on wealth beyond subsistence wealth.
  92. @Harry Baldwin
    @Hail

    Poor Trayvon, shot for buying Skittles and wearing a hoodie. That's what she still believes, apparently.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Poor Trayvon, shot for buying Skittles and wearing a hoodie. That’s what she still believes, apparently.

    Since when is what a politician says for public consumption a reliable indicator of what he* actually believes?

    Do you have any doubt whether Gillibrand (or anyone of her class) would avoid, at all costs and to the extent possible, ever getting anywhere near finding herself in any situation at all similar to the one George Zimmerman found himself on that fateful night in 2012? (I.e., alone and anywhere near within harm’s range of a youth or teen of color such as the sweet, innocent young Trayvon?

    *Yes, in this case Gillibrand is obviously a she but my pronoun was referring-to the generic politician. I make a point of defying, to the extent I can get away with it, all PC language corruption.

  93. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack Hanson

    Jack Hanson wrote:


    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI...
     
    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    Yamg ignores a basic fact of economics: goods and services have to be produced by somebody.

    There is no magic cornucopia from which one can gather goodies to make some people better off without taking from others -- unless, that is, one can figure out how to increase overall production. And the best way to increase overall production is to avoid taking earnings away from those who are the producers, as Yang wants to do.

    I know Yang claims that the workers will get back what they pay in, but most won't. The money for the non-producers has to come from the producers.

    Yang is a con artist, convincing only to those who are innumerate.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson, @ben tillman

    If it was only a matter of round tripping your money, hypothetically it wouldn’t be so bad. But the reality is that government is very inefficient so that by the time you get your own dollar back, a big chunk of it is missing, used to support the bureaucrats who administer the program. And of course rarely do you get it back if you are productive – the whole point of these schemes is to subsidize the non-productive using the productive’s money, but to create enough smoke and mirrors to make people think that “everyone” benefits so that the program gets wide support (see Social Security).

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  94. @Hail
    - Sports-event-like candidate introductions with them walking out like boxers (groan)

    - National anthem (why?)

    - Organized hecklers (possibly chanting "Black Lives Matter;" disrupted Booker)

    - Lots of canned applause again

    - Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.

    Replies: @donut, @ziggurat

    Hail says:
    – Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.

    Did he get any push back from the other candidates?

    I would love to have the power of putting words into the mouths of candidates. Perhaps, I’d make one of them say:

    No, whiteness is our strength. Our country was nearly 90% white, when we overcame the Great Depression, built a great middle class, won WWII, and put a man on the moon. That’s why I believe we should reinstate the “Immigration Act of 1924”.

    The whole auditorium would be stunned in silence for a few, seemingly interminable seconds. And subsequently the whole internet would melt down.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @ziggurat

    But instead, this:

    https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1157073677449596930


    GOP [Verified Account]
    @GOP

    EVERYONE is benefitting from the @realDonaldTrump economy!

    Latino American unemployment rate at 4.3%—near-historic low!
    Asian American unemployment at 2.1%—all-time low!
    African American unemployment at 6%—near-record low!
    Women unemployment at 3.6%—lowest in almost 50 years!

    7:40 PM | Aug 1, 2019 | Sprout Social

     

    , @JackOH
    @ziggurat

    ziggurat, that is truly funny.

    I've sometimes wondered how well Unz Review could get popular as comedy shtick:

    After Foxworthy: "Y'know, those Unz people are just smart as a whip. Ever read it? Well . . . you may . . . be an Unz Review reader. If your IQ . . . is so HIGH . . . even YOU can't count it. You may be an Unz Review reader."

  95. Jack Hanson says:
    @Desiderius
    @Jack Hanson

    The woke and what army? There is more political juice in mocking the woke than kowtowing to them.

    Wokeness is tricky. It’s high status but high status losers, regressors to the mean. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still have some appeal - see the brilliant end of Young Adult - but that appeal isn’t really drawing in the best and brightest.

    Not a good bet for the strong horse going forward.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson

    People are getting fired for non-woke satire and there’s Congressional hearings on why biggaygroyper69 can say the en word on twatter dawt com.

    I would not stand by the idea that there’s more political power in mocking the Woke, but you’re right that they don’t attract the best at all. Everything around us is entropy tearing down everything that was built up over the past centuries.

  96. @Dissident
    @Jack Hanson


    We had blackouts that were handwaved away across 3 major metro areas as “software glitches”. California is engaging in rolling blackouts.
     
    Is it still okay to say blackout? I would think the association between a decidedly negative, unpleasant, regressive occurrence like the loss of electrical power and (the ever sacred and exalted) blackness would have been deemed racist by now.

    Apropos:
    Bye-bye, manhole: Berkeley moves to ban gendered language from its city code


    “While it’s a joke for some people, serving all people regardless of how they identify is fundamental to who we are [emphasis mine- Dissident],” Chakko said.
     
    From the partial list of examples provided in the article: (I selected the ones I found remarkable; the others seemed to me as if they have been in widespread use for some time already, e.g., firefighter, police officer, chairperson, etc.)

    Manholes become ”maintenance holes”

    Manpower becomes “human effort”

    Sorority and fraternity become “collegiate Greek system residences”

    Ombudsman becomes ”ombuds”

    Pregnant woman becomes “pregnant employee”
     

    Did Mr. Sailer really miss this story? I scrolled through past posts and didn't find anything.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Someone will get fired for breaking speech codes. You watch.

  97. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack Hanson

    Jack Hanson wrote:


    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI...
     
    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    Yamg ignores a basic fact of economics: goods and services have to be produced by somebody.

    There is no magic cornucopia from which one can gather goodies to make some people better off without taking from others -- unless, that is, one can figure out how to increase overall production. And the best way to increase overall production is to avoid taking earnings away from those who are the producers, as Yang wants to do.

    I know Yang claims that the workers will get back what they pay in, but most won't. The money for the non-producers has to come from the producers.

    Yang is a con artist, convincing only to those who are innumerate.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson, @ben tillman

    Not saying you’re wrong, but its an effective slight of hand that’s going to keep 95% of slabbros, linemen, firefighters, etc sedate, at least until the bill comes due, and it will.

  98. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    The blackouts are only going to get worse. Utilities are falling over each other competing to say that they are the first to go "zero carbon". Now a large part of that is going to be publicity hype and some very flexible definition of zero carbon. But the more seriously they take this mandate, the more unreliable the grid is going to become because "green" energy is unreliable energy - sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it doesn't, sometime the wind blows and sometimes it's calm. Maybe at 10% hydrocarbon you could still have a reliable network with gas turbines to cover dips in green energy but the zealots won't allow that - got to be 100% carbon free or else the whales are all gonna die or something.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Its wild how this is local news or a byline on a national news website but some based granny letting sainted POC have it is wall to wall coverage.

    We agree again. The third times summons the Horsemen.

  99. @ziggurat
    @Hail


    Hail says:
    – Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.
     
    Did he get any push back from the other candidates?

    I would love to have the power of putting words into the mouths of candidates. Perhaps, I'd make one of them say:

    No, whiteness is our strength. Our country was nearly 90% white, when we overcame the Great Depression, built a great middle class, won WWII, and put a man on the moon. That's why I believe we should reinstate the "Immigration Act of 1924".

     

    The whole auditorium would be stunned in silence for a few, seemingly interminable seconds. And subsequently the whole internet would melt down.

    Replies: @Hail, @JackOH

    But instead, this:

    GOP [Verified Account]
    @GOP

    EVERYONE is benefitting from the @realDonaldTrump economy!

    Latino American unemployment rate at 4.3%—near-historic low!
    Asian American unemployment at 2.1%—all-time low!
    African American unemployment at 6%—near-record low!
    Women unemployment at 3.6%—lowest in almost 50 years!

    7:40 PM | Aug 1, 2019 | Sprout Social

  100. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    As opposed to CNN?

    Look, network TV news used to be 15 minutes, then 30 minutes starting in 1963 (ABC didn't go to 30 minutes until 1967), 5 days a week. This is about the amount of time you need to convey the major news stories of the day. But cable networks broadcast 24/7 so what are you going to do with the remain 23.5 hours of air time every day?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    As opposed to CNN?

    They are the same, obviously.

    But cable networks broadcast 24/7 so what are you going to do with the remain 23.5 hours of air time every day?

    They could interview people who actually know things, rather than airheads like Perino, or obnoxious idiots like Chris Stirewalt. But it’s propaganda, so what do you want.

  101. @PhysicistDave
    @bomag

    bomag wrote:


    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov’t spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.
     
    The Marxists (back when there were real Marxists who actually talked about the working class!) called it "false consciousness."

    Of course, the game of "sure we're destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I'll end up with a shred when the game is over" is a sucker's game.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag

    Of course, the game of “sure we’re destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I’ll end up with a shred when the game is over” is a sucker’s game.

    A sucker’s game is bound to be popular in a sucker’s country.

  102. @ziggurat
    @Hail


    Hail says:
    – Biden just said Diversity is Our Strength.
     
    Did he get any push back from the other candidates?

    I would love to have the power of putting words into the mouths of candidates. Perhaps, I'd make one of them say:

    No, whiteness is our strength. Our country was nearly 90% white, when we overcame the Great Depression, built a great middle class, won WWII, and put a man on the moon. That's why I believe we should reinstate the "Immigration Act of 1924".

     

    The whole auditorium would be stunned in silence for a few, seemingly interminable seconds. And subsequently the whole internet would melt down.

    Replies: @Hail, @JackOH

    ziggurat, that is truly funny.

    I’ve sometimes wondered how well Unz Review could get popular as comedy shtick:

    After Foxworthy: “Y’know, those Unz people are just smart as a whip. Ever read it? Well . . . you may . . . be an Unz Review reader. If your IQ . . . is so HIGH . . . even YOU can’t count it. You may be an Unz Review reader.”

  103. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    The problem with any redistributionist scheme such as UBI is that if you make it too broad based, people are going to in effect have to pay it to themselves, or middle class people who are only slightly richer (or sometimes even poorer) paying money to other middle class people without any real fairness. If you confine the beneficiaries to a small minority of the poor and the tax base to a small % of the rich, it can all work and with some level of fairness but the logic of government is such that the beneficiary pool keeps getting larger and of necessity so does the tax base no matter how you start out (the original income tax was only on the very rich).

    So on one end you have the government taking money from middle class people (e.g. property taxes, social security tax) and on the other end sending it back to the same middle class people (e.g. free public schools, social security pensions) but in between there is a huge army of bureaucrats (mainly black ladies) skimming some of it off and spending it inefficiently, when you would have been better off if they had just let you keep your own money.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Of course, but this already being done on a large scale for everyone but young white males seeking to form families.

    The negative space is suggestive.

  104. @Dissident
    @Desiderius


    Gabbard’s opposition to invade/invite.
     
    I know she's opposed-to invade but invite too? Didn't Gabbard, in one of the earlier debates [sic], declare (along with Yang and perhaps all of the bunch except for Biden) her support for providing medical coverage to illegal aliens?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Steve’s paired the two for a reason. All Ds want to “provide” medical care for everyone, i.e. deny new therapies to anyone. That’s just boilerplate regressivism.

  105. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack Hanson

    Jack Hanson wrote:


    And that’s what Yang is trying to do with his UBI: “Hey the system sucks but here’s $2000.” Another 24k a year would go a LONG way to mollifying the truck drivers, infrastructure bros, and first responders who keep the skids on this declining empire greased.

    But the Woke would never allow white men to get UBI...
     
    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    Yamg ignores a basic fact of economics: goods and services have to be produced by somebody.

    There is no magic cornucopia from which one can gather goodies to make some people better off without taking from others -- unless, that is, one can figure out how to increase overall production. And the best way to increase overall production is to avoid taking earnings away from those who are the producers, as Yang wants to do.

    I know Yang claims that the workers will get back what they pay in, but most won't. The money for the non-producers has to come from the producers.

    Yang is a con artist, convincing only to those who are innumerate.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack Hanson, @ben tillman

    The problem is that the extra 24K a year would come out of the hides of the workers it is supposedly helping.

    UBI is properly funded by a tax on wealth beyond subsistence wealth.

  106. @PhysicistDave
    @bomag

    bomag wrote:


    Yes, but I wonder if the farmers, the truck drivers, the sales clerks, the engineers, the trash collectors really want a change. So many are invested in the system with its pensions; disability; make work jobs; gov’t spending in service to social peace, that I suspect they will ride it down in the belief they will have a chair when the music stops.
     
    The Marxists (back when there were real Marxists who actually talked about the working class!) called it "false consciousness."

    Of course, the game of "sure we're destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I'll end up with a shred when the game is over" is a sucker's game.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @bomag

    Of course, the game of “sure we’re destroying the productive capacity of the country, but maybe I’ll end up with a shred when the game is over” is a sucker’s game.

    All too popular a game through history and around the world.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  107. ben tillman wrote to me:

    UBI is properly funded by a tax on wealth beyond subsistence wealth.

    There just is not enough wealth unless you rip off the middle class.

    Yeah, so let’s destroy the middle class, destroy the incentive to work, and destroy whatever middle-class values still exist in the USA.

    Worked really well in Germany in the early 1920s, didn’t it?

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Harry Baldwin

    To me, she's a Bushie/Cheney-ite who gets her talking points from Karl Rove. She yaps on about what things are like in Washington and the White House, as if everybody else on cable news hasn't worked there.

    Her redeeming qualities are that she grew up on a ranch outside Denver and that she likes dogs. If she were taller than three feet, I might find her f**kable with her current hairstyle, but that's about it.

    There is always the danger that people like us will get lulled into assuming someone like her is on our side, because she's on "our" R team. But if we remain awake and unhypnotized, we remember that people like her are party creatures with the right friends and no original thoughts. They keep great jobs getting paid way too much to talk on TV, as long as they don't actually say anything.

    Replies: @donut, @TomSchmidt, @Autochthon, @Kyle

    She’s got a pretty mouth.

  109. @J.Ross
    @Sam Patch

    Yang is an idiot but well spoken. Trump is sensible and well informed but doesn't care about precision in speech. As a result Yamg routinely says things that are alarmingly ignorant, but is almost never called out on it (though I think his economic illiteracy is widely understood), whereas Trump is always in trouble for non-offenses.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Sam Patch

    Somehow just saw this. Trump is “well informed”?!? I assume you live in meth country compadre. He’s the Gameshow Host-in-Chief, little more. I consider him one of America’s top Internet comedians and that’s about it at this point. The greatest cuck the devil ever pulled was convincing yokels that Trump legitimately cared about or understood their issues.

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